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PAPA RODE RUDI
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SAI EN SUSHI UDE
UDE KUKUFITA
KASE KRASTE VICA
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She doesn't have shards yet.
She doesn't have shard yet.
Her mask is quite some far away as well.
I have to commit everything if they want to get the kill on to Fete.
It would be the first part of the game and Fremors gonna do his best to get out of the
seems to be alive running off.
We're trying to get some separation,
but surely with empty sing, we spell use.
They'll bring down the carry, but the question is,
is can they get more of the backers
than they absolutely do?
Butterfly completed on the 1st Sastar, there is no MKB on the jump in.
Satsang says the one who's caught, the wheel of wonder, that's for the tiny, but he's surviving, at least for the moment.
He's down about one shot, they go to the primal order, it's going to be on the DM, and they'll break through the bristles on the back of the DM and get this kill.
It's going to buy back Watson with the BKB, trying to go up to Static, the jump is in, the commitment is there for the referent part of the arena.
They've got this little, the hex, look at the arena down, and he will fall.
Watson dead for two minutes and they'll go towards the rest.
Spear putting out a shot of position, they get to go to the channel to take up two.
He's got by that two close committed there by your junior.
But where is your follow-up?
Where is anything to do with the damage on the side of Paravision?
They just don't have it for Yandex.
And that will make it all the way to the DK in the Satanic.
He's thinking about the Crab GM on the Lotus again.
Now they're gonna try and get this kill. Sox is here, they'll use the dust to cut the save with the disruption.
Watson's coming over and the load is sort of again just doing the heavy lifting to make sure that he's able to survive.
They're gonna get both supports once more.
Smoke through the main lane where they don't have this tower.
Blink, hex, silence from the blink game from Tiorgina. They go to the sonic lane, that lands on the through.
They go right by the catch. They look at the same time the cops and the DKB stretch through all these right clicks.
Looks for the Nugget and his crown.
No one dead.
Socks the gun.
Triple S trying to find the damage out on the Wind Ranger
when they get the kill on a night quest.
So they lose both support, no buyback on the dining.
Break.
There.
Four shots.
Got the kill on a DM.
Static even without the BKB.
Hoping to get some more.
There's the toss.
Into the referee.
I'm pending on the kill on the Queen of Panyas.
They get.
Ice path lands.
Now they will go over.
Melanage.
God, Static doing it all.
Ultra kill for him.
Somebody give this man a rampage.
He's avoiding the vision.
That peri-vision half just standing.
Let's all right now not to being out immediately.
Maybe looking for an option back here, but that is just gonna expire.
And then get the shot and it's a full rampage for a CT.
and
and ask her to that vision.
Let's see, oh my god, Exxon put the work things out.
We will!
Skiing a reason they're gonna have to do a change to the focus
by what I'm waiting for Exxon.
Dude, his timing's been exceptional this game.
She's sewing them right out there, waiting for the high-five.
Three, eight, four.
Exxon's got silver and NPKB.
The other one is a mango, of course, a mark-keeper,
but again with that roll, what makes it pretty messy?
What, shackles from zero?
Speed to full-optic and have a perfect use of the tank
They're losing their base though, so they're not going to try and force a fight at the moment.
Maybe they're waiting for them to disengage.
Or not going to give them the information, but Hexen's going to be up to get to jump him,
and it doesn't do much.
It's just too much of this season again, and no one's just dying as well.
The side comes out, but it doesn't do its jobs.
Gita gets back inside the base, but the ma has no help.
He's running away from anyone else.
He's got the movement speed by the looks of it, but XM is going to be able to catch up to him, toss him to his grave.
Skeeter tries to help out, but the side is going to be there, he'll die shortly afterwards.
They're going to buy back on Amara as well, but is there a further fight to be had?
They just get the shackles, and one a second, it's not going to matter to me, and by the looks of the beach,
they're just too far ahead, and the Falcons have crumbled through these past couple of teamfights.
fight this game, and last game, they just couldn't take it to China.
Because they lost one as well.
Why is Ian finger used it's through on to WS they need the hats they need the damage
I need to kill on to this timber because now in the face of army they're gonna get the kill in a fly
They should get the lion and I'm a he is not gonna want to let he is
It's not a lot of people on his backpack. He's dead to stone gaze forced out and success is here now
They'll land a spear but I'm a with no man. I left no wife available triple kill for WS
He was just standing tall. He is so tanky and success looking like he's gonna be that
WS! Tipper chain Ultra kill, WS shout out to you!
Both teams smoking up here, I mean finding Beastmaster would be huge, they still got that
Just for 50 seconds, he's gonna drop
and put a mouse around and make some space,
but he's completely isolated.
Nico needs some help.
There's the disrupting.
The circuit wards actually block off anybody
from getting onto the high ground as well.
EZM's Avis is down, Parker gonna turn himself into a razor.
It's one on one, but who's gonna win?
Wave forms up the high ground, takes down Stem instead.
33 is still waiting for his ability to get much done here,
but a wards reflected Parker still got the damage
to finish the job though.
3 buybacks coming through from OG as the underwords trying to see if he's away is not able to get scan so but can't they finish off Parker
He's wallowing the vessels on and the sheba's is gonna clip with the hex
They can't catch him
They cannot catch him and not feel me is food for BZM
Ultra kills gonna go the way of 33 who still has a BKB and they will continue the chase
They just chop him down
It's gonna be an absolute disaster.
OG die on nine heroes.
I've got my dear there on someone's tail and Niko's gonna get jumped, Hex in the shackles
counteracted again by a nice stun from Zayac with a hook save shot of Shaman as PNA goes
He goes in on the field of the core and dismembered back.
Serpent War track.
Cyan's making a move, but finally finishes up Settasharman.
Now being rotted down and KJ's come in to the right-hand side.
PMA's BKB offers some protection.
We'll get to the high ground as Whisper hooks him back.
Drag him straight to death.
A double kill for the punch.
And a nightmare.
Can it go on FTA with a golem drop?
That's protection for God of the Jews.
You are though with the Wreckman wound up and thrown.
FTA's in so much trouble.
The Grip on the KS God of the Jews tries to fight back.
back but heroic it was so much an attack leek who's became he means nothing to
whisper the poet comes out with an ultra and he's not far away from a rampage
he's chasing for a flea five seconds coming in with some raiders trying to
slow down the retreat of Riddies and blinking from whisper the rot in the
hub car rampage whisper dude whisper he might get there you know Riddies and
Niko are thinking about going here we're not to invade but to cut the juice we're
They're gonna find Thiela Korn.
Luma opens up, Shakira ures us up.
A parry out of cares, gets him distanced,
breaks free of the Morata, but that's a pill that they'll spend,
and the kiting was there.
Got the juice, BKB up.
Chasing into Morata now, the goal is dropped.
Icepattern's good as well to get the stun onto Morata.
Incups Thiela Korn, over the buyback from Raston.
They've got the lockdown on the brood,
but a damage onto Thiela Korn.
Too much to handle.
Bristol back trying to bite back,
but his BKB gets a triple.
Whisper comes in clutch, kills up two Kores.
Look to the razor now as well.
TP out.
Whoa.
Successful.
Only three teams will survive today.
That's right.
It's an important day here for PGL Valachia Season 7.
The final day of the group stages
means that there is only limited space.
And six teams fighting over three slots.
That's all what's happening today here with Jankos and Gunnar to talk all about it kind of how are you doing?
I'm doing good. I think the
This uh, Swiss age is kind of paid off. Yes every day has been pretty much all two ones all the series are very close
I don't really know who's gonna win today, and I think that's kind of the best
Like final day of it. That's the way we wanted Jankos. The yellow submarine is not gonna win. I have to I hate you
Are you sure? I
They're they're gone. They're gone. They have they have submerged
and they will not come back above the surface again.
They might be in a different tournament, something that's the best mistake.
They might, but that's in a different timeline, Sheva, and this one, they're gone.
That's it, that's it for them. It's all over.
That's where your head's at, huh?
Yeah, sorry about that.
All negative, that's all good. This is the Swiss bracket, and we have come to the final stages of the Swiss bracket.
So we started with 16 teams, we had Liquid Spirit, Heroic Aurora and Yandex make it through already.
We have lost Nemesis, Maus, the defending champions, Yellow Submarine, Thalcans, which everybody had high hopes for,
especially with San and Lornoff, and OG, they are all out already.
Yeah, I mean, that's not a very expected result. We have lost the previous Wallachia winners.
We have lost the previous TI winners. We have lost Yellow Submarine, the greatest dark horse
in Wallachia history. We've lost OG who, I will keep saying it, tournament after tournament.
They have been one of the most meta-defining teams of the Dota season in a way that they've
just changed so much with their ideas, still we're seeing them implemented in the games
of these like top tier teams that are making it through and they aren't.
So just go to show how competitive it is right now.
Yeah, it's incredibly competitive and people keep bringing in new ideas or sometimes old
ideas or just ideas that everybody has but nobody can really pull it off.
than heroic when they put Whisper on the Pudge. We don't see very often I know
that there's a lot of pros that would love to play Pudge. Tank is not everybody
gets a chance. Yeah there's some awesome ideas here so first I wanted to show how
absolutely devastating his early game was. This is after he died in lane. He goes
mid, hits a really nice hook and oh no there's a dawnbreaker on the enemy team.
What is that hero doing? And this is a classic Pudge behavior here where you
hit a hook and then you die so he has just died to tip it into a lane and then
died again he's even clicking to the TA oh no look at the guy free farming so
what does he do he does what our old friend Largo does he goes into the
jungle and in this case he stacks ancients and I omitted a bunch of clips
of him stacking ancients here because I didn't want to bore you with all of the
the clips he obviously did it a lot considering this massive stack here so
yeah he's in a pretty bad pretty tough situation 1500 gold behind the enemy
Offlaner and then he does this trick where you use a smoke of deceit and you can sit there and you can rot this ancient camp down
Sure, it's gonna almost kill you put
Rot can't kill you. Oh, yeah, so he can sit here at low HP and
Slowly, but surely it rock the camp down and then he's gonna use it as member on a creep
So that way he heals up a little bit and now we can see he is
is almost, he was at Knacklift, almost the same net worth as the Dawnbreaker.
So even time this, if you stat, if you rot the top camp at 57 seconds and rot the bottom
camp at like 54-55 seconds, you can actually stack it.
So basically to me what this looks like is heroic has decided that this like Largo type
playstyle where you just kind of AFK for 15 minutes and farm a really strong like AoE spell
damage aggs.
This is literally what Pudge does, so to them it looks like Pudge is a different version
of Largo, so here I wanted to show he's not like being completely inactive, he is showing
up for the fights that are important, but he immediately tipis and goes to the triangle
like any good offlaner would, he is not fighting until he has two items, so he actually stacks
up the triangle and farms it.
And only does he get involved when he has the blink dagger.
So this is the result of all of this farming.
It looks exactly like Largo, where he is simply running people down.
Yes, they might have BKBs, but genuinely, the AoE magic damage is enough that they simply
have to run away from him, and obviously Largo heals himself, Pudge kills himself, all he
does this.
So he has to be a little better at playing the sides of the teamfight, waits until Niku
uses his BKB, uses that BKB piercing disable, and then at this point it's just like it's
a solo warlock.
What is this, what is he gonna do?
He's pathetic, you know?
So he's just gonna chase him down and get the rampage.
So Whisper goes from having one of the worst,
one of the most devastating laning stages I've ever seen
to being gigafarmed and getting a rampage.
And it's all through treatment manipulation,
stacking, farming, valuing his own farm
and taking that space as an off laner.
And I think other teams need to look at this
because it's not just Pudge,
it's not just Largo that can do this.
Maybe Sand King can do this, Primal Beast.
I don't think enough people are using these camps, despite everyone using them.
It's like people have gotten so used to Largo doing it, it's too easy.
There's other heroes that can as well.
You think there's more and more teams that will do it?
Because normally people need time to practice these stuff in scrims, these things?
Yeah, I think so. And then also the...
Some things already, I think, are pre-developing, because of specifically the Largo,
like the Marci carry that we've seen that we might see today.
Just like the ability to contest those camps,
I think matters a lot taking this offline tower to contest. There's definitely going to be
Thought put into it and I think some of the whole work is done because of the logo
So because they're very very similar play styles. It's not
Brand new, but I think the heroes that it could enable is like
There's definitely heroes that aren't being picked that could be yeah, and there's definitely heroes that are doing well
That's uh, we don't really talk about enough tankers
Yeah, I wanted to take a look at some of the winners and losers
I mean what one winner that's on on here
I omitted some of the big four just because I feel like we've talked about them a lot Largo has like a 70% winner rate
That's quite crazy, but Gunnar, you know, you talked about the TA on the winner side
There's a couple of interesting ones in there. They're like to me
Shadow shaman has looked like a really staple solid pick and then I looked at the winner
I'm like holy shit people are just throwing this in a draft so they can have stuns and it's got a 62% win rate with 37
But that's very significant.
It's safe for Warlock, actually.
Yeah, Warlock's win rate is also quite incredible.
Warlock has a lot more bands than Shadow Shaman does.
And then, Ursa, yeah, we've seen this as a carry answer
to Shadow Fiend, for example.
Shadow Shaman is on that twice.
That is Shadow Demon.
That's a picture of Shadow Shaman.
I go by visuals only.
Yeah, that was meant to be.
That's the other Shadow Shaman.
I can only read.
I can't see pictures.
To be fair, that could have been Shadow Fiend on there, too.
The Shadow Trio is actually, I think Shadow Fiend is somewhere in the middle.
Okay.
No, that's not true.
I think Shadow Fiend has a crazy high winner rate.
Shadow Fiend.
Yesterday.
I think Shadow Fiend has a...
Yesterday was 50k.
He actually just lost more, but I feel like even in the games he loses,
it feels like he's like a ticking time bomb.
Yeah.
Like if you don't get him before this like third item, fourth item,
sure, he's not the super strongest in his Laney Station.
Amazing, but when he gets there, he's still strong.
Well, who cares about the hero?
Because on that list, I put a hero for you, Gunner.
kez has a 23% I love it. I love it. That kez is losing a big fan of not the
kez here itself. I don't know. It just because he's getting picked and I
think the carry pool is a bit limited right now. I would say there's not like
a huge variety, which is why I think people kind of are going towards it
because there's a bunch of success, but I think it just doesn't lack the it's not
ranged hero and I think that ranged carries are just kind of the the meta
Like there's not many other melee heroes besides Ursa, which is just too much damage I think compared to Kaz and his tank here
Yeah, we again we saw the Viper was actually on the most notable losers as well
Which surprises me because I think it said 37% win rate which must be all Tylong playing it because he's actually been winning on it
Right the 37. Yeah. Yeah, maybe I feel like a lot of teams are just kind of like throwing it in a draft as a
preventative measure towards
You know bristle back like anything that needs to be broken. You also prevent huskar
You shit on like pretty much every spirit hero mid
So it's like a preventative measure
But then you have this slow viper playing on your team and a lot of the time you're lacking something that has that
Ability to like run around and do stuff and I think that's affecting teams more than they're realizing right?
It's not it's not so much the counter pick
I think it was before they're like, oh, you know, we see huskar will take the viper last pick
It's more you pick it like 16 17 before the enemy mid and then it's really hard for him to yeah
Like he has to pick a sniper or he's gonna go lose the lane to the viper and I
Think sometimes that works out
But again a lot of the time if viper is not really getting off off the ground and it doesn't I don't know
It's just like a very slow hero
I think the best build I saw was Niku
He was going the boots of bearing a couple months ago and it makes it here actually fast
Like physically it's a faster hero which lets it kind of play this more active play style than like the travels eggs timing
We usually see I do think that in our upcoming series
You might not see a viper because those two men do want to be very active
We can take a look at what's coming your way today. I said three series today only one stream
This is where your attention should be because out of these six teams only three teams will make it through
Okay, so we are obviously going to talk about the first series very soon, but I do want to touch upon Paravision and Tundra and Navi and Bedboom, and here you guys have thoughts on them, considering this is the final day for two of those four teams.
I think the party Tundra one is kind of
It feels crazy to see that one of those teams is going to be eliminated, which I
Think right now the top a is very contested. Yeah, it's really hard to say exactly what team we have Falcons are out
Tundra just won a tournament now. They're out. Sure. They have a stand-in, but we've seen teams here with stand-ins have like the core of the roster
be pretty successful Aurora mainly and I don't know I I just
Can't really wrap my head around that one of those two teams is going home
Yeah, it's pretty crazy. Especially if you consider that provision is there without a standard, you know, but we also don't have that coach
Navi has been struggling a little bit regardless. So and they did it very well. I do expect
I mean, it should be the teams that don't have a standard will make it through. That's your prediction
That's my prediction Navi in Paravision and we have
China Bowl. Yeah followed by the Slavic showdown
It's quite incredible. We have two what they say intra regional
matches or is it inter-interregional matches? We've got China versus China, we've got Eastern
Europe versus Eastern Europe, so a lot of the times when you see these guys duke-in-and-out
against each other, they've played so many times in their region that you get these crazy
games with bands, they already know each other's heroes, we're not going to let any of those
through, and it always goes three games, which is quite crazy to say considering how the
last this entire tournament has gone. It's like two ones all across the board.
Yeah, I will say I'm focusing on our attention on extreme gaming and VG
gaming. First of all, VG gaming, I mean, we're talking about standings. VG
gaming is a stand in team. They are standing in because Power Rangers
couldn't make it. So they're here and they're fighting for top eight and
they're looking good doing it as well. And they're going up against extreme
gaming. Of course, it's a shame that it's an interregional matchup because
obviously there's a lot of people that would like to see both coming out on
top in the playoffs but at the same time it is very cool you can only imagine that these two teams do
stream each other and therefore we can look at the data that we've seen all we want but there's
gonna probably be things happening in the series that we have no idea of because there's probably
developments that we don't know but there are also some developments that we do know.
I think they're it's really funny because they're kind of polar opposites I was looking at I think
pick rate is really interesting, like first pick, second pick, and the radiant dire.
The biggest one I noticed is Vici is not good at first pick and Extreme is very good at first pick
and so Vici has a 0% win rate on dire. It's only one game, so they've been first pick every single
game and they've only been in the dire the one time or they've been rated in every game, sorry.
But to me, most of the time, the reason for that is when Vici has this like 14-15 pick,
a lot of the time they pick weaker heroes. They're picking the Beastmasters there,
Which a lot of the other teams are picking in that first phase and I think the reason it's okay to pick at first phase is you have your whole draft to kind of protect it
swap your B-Smasher around, but they're not really
Using it whereas extreme they're picking jacquero in that phase bane just these like extremely strong
Laners because that way you get through this 14 15 pick not feeling as awkward and then when you get to the 18 pick
Which is generally what they consider the strongest first pick. Yeah slot because a banger
Yeah, you 18 is when your first pick that's your pick
You get the first pick and you get 18. That's it second pick
They obviously get the like double counter pick and last pick and I just don't think that Veeche is really kind of utilizing that and so
There's a chance that this series might just be a coin flip game three of whoever gets first pick, which is funny
It's funny to see that statistically. They're not using it because you'd think with with XM of all people
like that's the team that should be able to
Utilize last pick
Yeah, I do want to put attention on XM and nothing to say with that in mind.
Just six months ago, they were on the flip teams.
We had XM, of course, playing with Xtreme Gaming coming second at TI with almost the
same lineup, obviously other than XY.
Sorry, FY.
Yeah, I said FY.
We want to just say everything with an X at the start of the game.
It just makes sense.
And it was VGGaming that at that point was with nothing to say and they weren't called
VGGame, but they weren't called Tidebar.
But that's like almost the exact, they literally just swapped sides.
And that does not happen very often.
But it seems like both players, they slot in very well.
It's such a, it is a pretty ludicrous situation.
It is.
It's very, it's very strange.
I mean, these are the two of the top midlaners in the region.
D2 top lane midlaner.
Yeah, I'd say D2 top lane.
Yeah, that's true. I think a lot of people don't like laning against them and don't like playing against them.
I feel like other than Tinker, nothing to say is more of like an honest player.
just play his heroes and outskill you.
And there are a lot of like normal mid heroes,
you know, the Storms, the Pucks, the Embers,
and yeah, sure, XM is more than capable
of playing these heroes as well,
but he has played OD, it didn't go so well,
but he's looking to last pick Cheese You.
He'll play Slaughter versus Puck
and just try to destroy you in lane.
He'll pick Beastmaster, like Gunnar was pointing out
and, you know, kind of try to Cheese You that way
by not playing like the traditional mid.
We've even seen the Faceless Void, Paws 4, plus Leshrac combo, Last Pick Leshrac.
So it's really weird stuff coming out from XM, and we haven't even seen him go like deep
into his pocket of weird stuff because he hasn't been able to play Viper once, he hasn't
been able to play Sniper once, these are the cheats heroes he's known for, and good god,
at some point he's going to pick Venomance.
Yeah, I will say, Fit makes him fit very nicely into Vici Gaming because they also pull out
stupid stuff and it works. Don't get me wrong on saying how it's stupid stuff, but it is
stupid stuff with the face's void position 4. It's silly. It's fun. I like watching it.
That's true. Again, to kind of reiterate some points we've seen that I think there's probably
a very good chance there's a face in one of our games today. Yeah. It's a lot about the combos
for me. I think especially around the mid hero, if they don't really pick something that utilizes
time zone it doesn't look that strong. I just I just I just remember I remember
that I see the Grimstroke. Planet had such an amazing Grimstroke game yesterday
he had some scoreline of of 3-3-28 or something like that it was it was
crazy I have here 5-5-28 close enough but it was it was definitely I mean he
deserves the sunglasses for that. I'm gonna be honest I did not imagine
planet as a player coming into the tournament having so much fucking aura
Being awesome with sunglasses picking faceless void position for like when I just saw that list of heroes
I had a I chuckled because I'm like these are giga chat heroes like even the
Grimstroke caudal like caudal. It's kind of only Ari that's picking that right now
The Grimstroke. This is a kind of unpicked hero spearbreaker. This is a clearly a giga chat hero than the faceless void
I mean, we're gonna be talking about this a lot during this series
Yeah, we we will and it will be
Will it be the deciding factor as you said under the the first big second pick is that gonna be that big of an issue?
Like how much is reliant on the draft? I think a good amount is reliant on the draft, but also
Plus the beachy I think extreme does value first fake
Yeah, I don't think it's unrealistic that
Vici is going to give you second pick every game, which they won. Xtreme is going to be first pick every game which they won, and the only thing that may change is just Radiant or Dire.
Michael B.
Which, there is like a decent win rate for Radiant I want to say so far. I think it's been around 55-56% win rate for Radiant in the tournament, and Vici gets Radiant almost every game.
So, maybe it goes that way instead of the first pick.
That's the value in valuing second pick.
And I'm second pick because of Radiant.
Also getting Radiant.
Well, I will say that this year, 20-25, these two teams have played each other only twice
because Vici Gaming hasn't baited to any lands other than this one in this year.
They did play in Fischer Playground, but then Xtreme wasn't there earlier in the season.
But they played each other twice in the best of three, and both times it was so similar
where Xtreme Gaming wins Game 1, Vici Gaming wins Game 2, Xtreme Gaming wins Game 3.
That's been the recipe.
see if that's going to come to fruition in this one as we are in the draft and I am totally
expecting very specific bands indeed coming out here for these two teams. The Marci, the
Beastmaster, the Viper is out, the Tinker is obviously a shadow demon, it does mean three
of the big four are still in.
Wow, oh my goodness. This is, yeah, this is why I love the China Bowl. Like this is so
good. XM Viper, Shiro Marcy out, nothing to say Tinker and nothing to say Ember. It's like these
are not- If you looked at any other series, none of these bands have happened. Yeah, no way.
Bat, Tree, Shadow Fiend, all these heroes, they usually get banned or not, but it's because they
know each other very well I think. Especially one of the things is when players kind of swap teams,
like the mid players, you know a lot of what your old team wanted to play, you know a lot of their
strategies. Sure it evolves and changes over time, but you kind of get to know these guys so much
watching what they like and Dota is a game that doesn't change it as much as
it changes. It's always very similar. Yeah. And it's very mental as well. So if
you if you know the players, if you know the team, you can get into the heads
of them. I am excited to see the bat rider coming into action for XSS. Yeah. I
mean, this is pretty interesting because you know, that rider comes out, which
meant that extreme was essentially deciding we're going to take the bat
versus the shadow fiend trade, because Bat does very well against shadow fiend and lane.
You punish it pretty hard. You're like one of the few heroes that if you can survive
the first couple of waves, you can kill the SF pretty easily. And then Vichy says, okay,
we see your bait, you're dangling SF in front of us. We're not taking it. We're just not
going to pick SF. And instead they pick windrunner, which can honestly suffer to Batrider.
We've seen the wind versus SF matchup though, like where wind is the screw that kind of
can all in the shadow if you know with physical damage and yet the wind bat goes
both ways out there both ways because the wind's very squishy so it's like she
gets lasted she dies instantly but to give her a bit of credit she's one of
the best ranged carries at kiting like if she presses old she can just run away
from the bat she buys a mantas well yeah and a lot of the bat riders aren't going
for a super early blink they're going for like bearing and the pipe so you have
this nice early game timing to kind of dodge him in the fights at least whereas
a lot of other carries are a bit slower that's the kez out and the jacquero
picked up it is funny that that was a 4v2 game in the first time they went
into bonus time everything else went so fast in terms of the first phase bands
and picks same thing goes for extreme gaming they have not used any of their
bonus time yet either it's big apart from the kez band fairly clear cut for the
teams what they want to do here that means they basically prepare these
openings and there were like, you know, expected branches for them to follow in the openings.
But then obviously as things diverge, there are situations you didn't predict and you
kind of have to think and talk about it a lot more.
Yeah, usually for draft prep, I've seen some teams and coaches they go further than this
like 13 pick and like planning the 14.
I've seen people like plan the 18s.
They're like, if we get this hero, they'll probably pick like some genre of these heroes
or we want this kind of thing on 18.
That's crazy.
But on average, I think usually drafts get planned to about this 13 pick because it's very easy, right?
Like you know the first pick heroes and you say these are our two responses, or you almost always guarantee one
So it's like maybe first bat wind is their favorite
The 13 might change depending on the bands because that's possible gets banned
But they might have like an archetype because maybe if the cheer got banned they go to got a dish up there
Right so this 13 picks a bit more slightly open. It's like we want this type of hero, but yeah, I don't know they're picking
Yeah, I mean there it is. Yeah, there's okay. God sakes. I'm gonna say this every time beach he plays in front of us
There is a world where it is faceless void carry and shiro will play it because it
But then what it did you be you play win ranger on planet like your small. Yeah, it's Mars wind
It's a good lane like I feel like I have to remind people like remember technically possible
It's a carry shiro is like grandmaster to your face. That's true
It's for some reason planet has so much aura that he's like no, no, no my face is white
18 shadow theme I
Feel like that's crazy. This draft is like so different than honestly pretty much every draft we've seen this entire tournament
I haven't seen one kind of like this where the strategy gets
Really ignored. There's a void for sure. I guess it's a feature staple, but still
Take this draft and if I show this to you day one before you knew about this change
You wouldn't really expect. No, I would not not not even especially like coming off of dream league
Yeah, I think a lot of stuff here is not like the tree is completely ignored. Yeah
Yeah, you would never see an 18 pick SF not a not a chance, but it's things have developed so much that like teams are basically
Thinking like what's the wager here? You know like what why are you dangling this really overpowered hero in front of us?
Like there's got to be some counter, but then when you get on 18 you're like, okay
We can ban enough heroes that it's still broken. Yeah, but now I know you can't counter it. It's not a thing
It's not a bait anymore. We're just gonna take it
So I was gonna say I think we're at the phase of the tournament where teams start having data on them
That's like very easy to read like
Both both of these teams can see the other one
They have four series played and they're okay. This is what they want
We know kind of exactly and then that goes further. I think in the playoffs playoffs drafting is always very interesting to me
Because you have more time to prep for your opponents
Um, and you kind of just know what they want to do what you want to do and I think the drafts get a bit more
Exciting sometimes in the playoffs because just you have so much more information
Yeah, it's
These two teams especially because almost every single series other than the one
Is going the distance. You've got even more games. A lot of games played
It is a lot of games played
It looks like we are searching for both our meds with our final pick
Notable heroes in the pool. Obviously you got to mention the storm and the void
Which other heroes do we look out for with the Queen of Pain already banned and I can only imagine Storm will be banned?
I think the obvious one to me is Leshrac for XM. They are playing with potentially a position for Faceless Void.
And I also know Leshrac is very good against Batrider. A lot of the time if he comes in to try to lasso you, you can just kill him with your AoE damage.
It means you can't lane the Bat mid, which probably wouldn't happen anyway.
I'm just excited like I XM here we go. We got last pick again for you buddy
Yeah, I speak against a team that knows you very very well like what sort of crazy shit are you gonna pull out?
I love watching this guy's one of my favorite players to watch and we have the tree and protector banned out for
VG by VG gaming so that means that they're still thinking nothing to say to be the tiny yeah, I I think it's okay
But timers void sometimes feels a bit awkward in my opinion the Lush gets banned. Yeah
I think Storm is probably extreme's best pick here. It's good verse. The void there's not
There's like stuns and fall like if he gets caught. He's probably just dead guaranteed, but
It's easy to play around
Their stuns right because they're kind of none of them are instant cast. They all are like projectiles or long animations
And I don't know I think it gives them a lot of what they need
Let's a Batredder go for more Auras because you have the Storm as the initiator. You don't need this early blink
But surely you ban out storm
Yeah, unless you're very comfortable
They like the air they can they can beat it
But then there's the mind games that if they have something that can beat it
What is stopping extreme gaming from picking that instead leaving Vichy gaming with this storm?
No, that's not it makes it easier usually the simple answer
Otherwise, you've got a five-head, six-hands ahead.
Otherwise, at that point, you just pick the Crystal Maiden,
and you're like, ah, they've moved the Tiny to Mid,
and now I've pre-counted their Chen with the Crystal Maiden.
All right, so we have got Extreme Gaming going for their Mid.
I see Void Spirit, probably.
You have a Silence for the Void, which I think
is always important to think about being able to deal with the Void
and not being annoyed by the Timer Lash in too much.
And then the Jump is good versus the Wind.
It gives him that initiator.
Mantabire is nice.
Mantabire.
Floyd.
Is there...
Primal beast, I guess.
Against Wind is pretty good.
It can be kind of sad versus Chikiro.
Just the amount of slows and putting an ice pack down on the fight makes it a bit hard
to navigate.
Yeah.
I'm trying to think of if there's a world he's the tiny.
It just doesn't really seem good to me.
You know, like if this tiny goes in mid, I don't really like their draft too much
Nothing to say I said in an interview that it feels like his team and he plays best when he is on a hero
That is very active and forward playing
That would lend itself to me to like void spirit then it's a hero that doesn't need blink
You can just get you know secure runes run at lanes
lanes. Pango wasn't such a bad hero, it'd be a really good team. Yeah, that's true.
The primal beast? They do go primal. I mean, good, just very good against wind as a hero.
Yeah. Honestly, I'm, I'm, I feel like you can, God, I say this every time with Vici,
but I feel like you can shear a faceless void here, and it's like a really good faceless
void game. Because if you feel wind is, but if, do they then have enough to kill the shadow
because that was that's why they picked the wind right if they damage you that's a slaughter okay
that's a good lane matchup so now I think it'll be a four void yeah because because they they've
run this before having slaughter school downs like 400 faster in the chrono this time sphere is
supposedly quite good although we very rarely see it usually he's playing around time dilation
Yeah, this was the the one loss they had on the business boy
It was when they paired it with the sardar so I'm a bit concerned because again from in my opinion to make the void
Work it needs to be able to do two things in the draft or like three things in the game
It's like very very basic things. He needs to be able to press Q
Yeah out of fights like get jumped and jump out
He needs to have a good time dilation targets and time zone needs to have cores that it affects in a good way
None of the cores really for them liked the time zone
Cool. Like the starter is not as good as a lesh a pot Mars is interesting like imagine if you can get like a second spear off in a fight
I know I know it's not the best like lesh is so obviously like insanely good, right?
I just think of it as even like a shadow fiend as you're carrying this guy's gonna instant old his razors are super fast
He gets multiple rays even sometimes you can buy the shard on a shadow fiend and just like get three raises for raises off
really quickly I
I mean, I understand why the starter I just don't like it with the faces would okay a little bit favor towards
Towards extreme gaming here on the draft. I'm sure that there's maybe some favor coming up from commentary team as well
I know painting your heartbeat cups if these two teams go up against each other
How do you feel about this one? I'm sad because one of them has to go home and I want them both to succeed and I
Don't know as a China fan it it sucks. I hate this. I hate this too often
It happens all the time!
Always watching these teams go for elimination in one last spot remaining,
and then I have to watch this, and I just...
I don't know who to root for.
Well, I don't know, I'm not supposed to root for anybody.
I mean, good dough, good dough.
Good dough, they're coming your way right now.
A nice little coin flip for us to look at.
50-50.
But it makes me sad every time.
I swear, this is the 800th time we've seen
China be China for the last slot pretty much pretty much. I can't do it. It's a meme at this point
I'm wondering like this Chinese community is like their memes have like seven different layers
There's a new names are so good and I'm wondering what they're saying about this like wow
Why does this always happen? so if each he's playing in this game and one of the old memes about Ori was that his head
was very square. And so he was called the tormentor because tormentor is just a cube.
And so they've made pictures while we're doing Ori dirty. We're not even in the game. I know
I know. Chinese memes. They go hard. So there have been teams in the past. There was Team
Ori at the China Immortal Tournament, which is when they did like an old schoolyard draft
People together it was a very original yes, and team worries logo was just his
Pick that one up original. No, I did
Like you wanted me. I wanted going with my life. Yeah
But uh
The memes do hit I'm always a big fan of them
They they do they do their job and so do these pauses
You know they get the job done. Maybe there's lights or something, but it's usually a quick go to go
some packet loss or something of the sort but it is probably a 50-50 we're
probably going three games anyway as we always do with Xtreme and all the games
and most of the series that we've done so far yeah I mean the I met two times
in 2026 it was a TSL challenger and one of the qualifiers for Blast Xtreme
gaming they were with Chorius both times but that's like very close game so I do
expect these games to be relatively close these teams and I know each other
inside that out we have you know maybe XM being part of the previous team as well
now playing against his old teammates as well maybe there was a kick in there
somewhere so you have to show your best performance. Definitely do. Gotta have that best performance
when you've got tournament life on the line. Yeah, this is it, this is the B4 impact.
He's got that blood grenade ready to go. There was one game where he actually had
two blood grenades knowing what the hero is all about and you're gonna start dragging
the creep waves, this hero does absolutely nothing, you can't throw the, but again, they
also have a lane, Shadowfin plus Warlock, no stuns whatsoever, so you can run away, there's
going to be a good amount of harassment, but you also cannot be stopped from dragging the
creep wave. Mid-matchup, nothing to say doesn't have good matchup with this one, you're playing
against Lardar, he has sprint, he will have sprint, but he also has a way of you stopping
you from using your abilities, which is going to be super annoying.
Well, there's nothing to say that the first guy to really start doing the primal mid when it originally came out of the scene
Feel like he was definitely
One of the yeah few players that used it a lot
And he was not afraid to maneuver the lanes use that onslaught to get over a little bit quicker
It's that early BKB. So I'm curious as to what he goes for as this game goes on and how he's gonna perform
It's right now six and one of the ten and four of SWARTA or Sardis have met a
a good time in that fly another one of those not signature heroes but definitely
one that fits his play style to be that playmaker so much bat rider these days
and then I see it in the hands of a Chinese team it reminds me of the in
July days I'm just not going way back yeah we're going way back it's a memory
Every lane here at the China v China, illumination, B03, things as fitting for the region, staying
very quiet.
I expect a first blood not to happen till about 7 minutes when these...
I can see it happening in the bottom lane, Jakiro plus Windranger, it is a strong lane,
Windranger is level 3 right now, 2 points in Shackle Shot and FY could be in trouble
here avalanche and tries to get some distance but the shackles hit shiro needing to run
xxs was putting the damage on lands that flame break and this is first blood pretty early
that success getting that kill on a shiro just a little bit too far forward trying to get the
kill on the tiny committing with uh wanting that lotus as well usually you don't see batrider
anymore from the off lane get a point and flame break it's more about getting firefly getting
sticking up walls and just farming the jungle creeps,
skipping whatever it's necessary, just maximizing the amount of farm,
but he finds the opportunity, sees that Cheryl was playing aggressive using that windrun,
gets the flame break, gets a couple of extra hits, and does secure the first blood.
Mid, we're still seeing a lot of favoring for XM.
He was looking down the list for the Primal, and he's actually only at 11 and 1.
Kira's getting some CS to the point where he's almost caught up to what the mid has on extreme.
I think at first point in the off lane, so mid's gonna kind of be that
sacked lane at the moment.
I think nothing to say also missed the window where he can creep skip.
Not sure if he was familiar with the matchup, is this is something that he did play because
you can't use your abilities. So there's no point if you can't pressure, if you can't kill the enemy hero.
You need to find a way. You need to drag the creepway, potentially drag it to one of the camps near the tier 2 tower and try to play from there,
try to maximize your farm, or just drag the creepway, try to manipulate because sitting in the river against Lardar is not going to get you too much farm.
He's missed that timing. He's going to have a tough one going up against that salmon.
Okay, about five minutes, but that's a minute short of where six-minute runes are going to be coming out, and I would say...
One of the supports for Vici does an okay job coming over to try and do something, and that's the jikiro.
Maybe the facist void shows himself, but for extreme, yeah, you've got Tiny Eye, and Warlock should be alright if they want to rotate for the first power rune.
Doesn't look like Ame would die in a 1v1.
They had good amount of success with this facist void, position 4.
I'm not a big fan of it, like it's all about time violation, and if you have heroes who are gonna be using that Kronosquare,
but not really convinced by it. A lot of the times it just feels so meh.
If you're not fighting inside of it, enemy team, they run away, and you're also not getting the benefits from it,
but heroes good for this, this is a second career.
It's gold gained for Planet, and he's searching.
Does he find another one?
He's got a Warden Deep now in the lane, but Ex-Ex-S?
He's dying here at the tier 3 tower bottom.
Meanwhile, Planet gets another Courier, and he continues to just snipe all these Couriers.
He TP's over towards mid to kill the Courier.
career from three heroes and he's gonna be able to survive to it's just so
that's almost 250 gold yet career so they kill three 700 gold for the team
not too bad 1k gold lead for beachy gaming so we see bottom xxs he is in a
a bit far and there there's a TP to get this kill and sheer to come over power
shot kill there for a while but he's over by the tier 3 tower dying in a moment
like that very deep not sure how he ended up in a position like that probably
expect that the mouse up now okay I'm just thinking like there are other ways
to creeps if you don't have to go as deep yeah and looking at the triangle
situation there's only one camp being snapped for Vici gaming right now sorry
for extreme gaming and for Vici nothing in the triangle at the moment don't for
nothing to say the chase all the way through the tier one except it's gonna
get that kill with that advantage of that early corrosive haze it's an easy one
to make sure that nothing to say is unable to leave it's hard to onslaught
away against Slaughter it's almost impossible when you're getting bashed
You're getting crushed very difficult and he also has sprint so very easy to close the gap another carrier coming in with
Second more items second attempt. Let's see the Sam around faces what is not close by
He's over mid right now
That'll mean Ami gets to pick up that Falcon blade gets to pick up the treads
Finally gets those two items after the courier spent some time dead in this mid tier ones already gone
You would not expect that.
Having Slardar in the team, this is not a hero that deals, like, damage to the tower in the sense where he's gonna be right-looking.
It's more about him playing with the catapult, zoning out enemy mid-laner, and this is the type of stuff that I was talking about.
This is something that I expect nothing to say to be doing in a situation like this when you're playing with the unfavorable matchup.
Probably is the best hero in the game to do so.
Gotta be careful of what XM is going to be providing, he's got Amplified Damage in his
bottle ready to go, FYI is just going to kind of sit here and soak some experience, but
overall not really having much impact.
Shrine's a worse split, what a piece, didn't talk about that a little bit earlier, but
important to get these heroes quickly to six, we're trying to get the supports there.
The chase is on to try and get F5, but he's able to get under the tier 2 tower.
Warlock already popping his Blackrim War.
Knows that he's not going to get any kills hitting his 0-0-0, soaking up some of the
XP here from Shadowfiend, and that's going to get him closer to level 6.
I was so shocked that he used just the one charge of Blackrim War, I kind of thought
he had the other facet for a second.
It's still rare that you see just one black remorn, it doesn't even get you to six.
Very difficult lane to grab the kills unless enemies are playing aggressive on you, trying
to grab a kill then you get a return kill because otherwise you can't start a fight.
It's Shadowfit plus Warlock and look at that Shiro's farm, he's still doing very good.
This combination throughout the whole game is going to be pretty insane.
You lock it to the hero with Corrosive Case, extra minus armor with Windranger, it should
be enough to kill any core on the team.
That power shot coming through and with the dual breath on it almost feels guaranteed
to land it.
You'll have to follow up ice path and now we'll go to the chaotic off-rack of the pull
of her eyes.
XM Slytherin crush runs away on slide to try and catch up does bounce him up into the air
but XM is going to avoid the aggression of XG just barely and XXS at the same time bottom
gets killed off.
So Vici, finding more success!
That rider is the type of a hero that doesn't really move.
Like, this is not a traditional off-lead, maybe before it was, where you were picking up a blink-dagger,
4-staff being very active, now it's more about you getting drums, and then whether you need to buy an aura,
whether you want to be building like a Crimson Guard or a pipe, whatever is necessary for the game,
and then you need to start getting those initiation items.
Primal Beast is also not having that good of a time, like he's very far away from his Blink Dagger, sitting at only 43 CS, needs another 1800 gold, that's not even close to the Blink Dagger, oh boy.
And then Tiny as well, this is a hero that wants to be involved early on, and they haven't managed to get much done at these early stages of the game, so you now kind of don't have a purpose in the game.
And the Shadowfiend as well, like he wants to farm. This is not a hero that is super active until he farms his, like,
1-2 items depending what you're going to be going for this time around.
Ame, he wants to have the spell. So, Mantis Talc, kind of a natural build up. You're playing against Slardar.
You can dodge the Shackle Shot, and also Bandalation.
Speaking of blink daggers, it's Mars and Slardar, queuing them up. XM almost has his.
Would you rather Mars go for something else other than the blink dagger? Because we've seen
Other builds from Mars is before you already have XM blinking in.
Hey, the double initiation is good.
Not saying it's bad in any way, but sometimes we see Mars go for something a little bit more...
No, I think it's good. It's a setup for your Windranger as well.
Whoever gets caught inside of the arena, you're going to be able to grab the kill.
And a lot of the times, it's something I say Mars doesn't really want to initiate.
First, the Slarder is probably going to be the one jumping in and then providing vision.
Speaking of which...
team. That's going to be quick and easy, but Mars wants to go in second a lot of the
times, like he doesn't necessarily need to be the first initiator, so having two blinks
relatively early on will allow you to get the pressure and also allow you to choose
the teamfights, get the pick offs, we're approaching a territory where they might also be starting
to think about getting Roshan. Because you have Slardar, and this is going to be super
high level of Slaughter, level 9 already. If he gets to level 12, extra minus 5 armor on
corrosive Haze does make a difference.
Past this blink on record for Mars by 37 seconds, Bok having a free game. And he has got more
net worth than the opponent offlaner and really the mid that's struggling here for extreme
nothing to say. He has got not much. He does uproar sometimes, but he doesn't even have
of that skill so there isn't much he's saying in this game at the moment just one death
to his name. What can you do? I gotta continue to farm and hope to get this blink but even
when you do get this blink the effectiveness from this primal doesn't feel like it's gonna
be too great unless they're catching somebody completely out of position.
Yeah, not gonna be also easy pre-BKB, you're gonna be the one getting the initial jump,
I'm just wondering where the follow-up is, like the positioning needs to be really good.
On side of Xtreme Gaming.
For now, it's a 5k gold mid.
You've seen this...
I would say ever since the steam has been absorbed.
Jump in and Abilene's trying to 3-power shot.
Shiro.
Didn't want to go all the way to mid, so he figured he'd get the kill from the triangle.
Easy little kill there for the winranger to snipe out.
And this has just been a Shiro free farm game.
Bottom lane was simple enough with the Batrider struggling.
We'll get a shrine there and then Box can get the other one who's continued to stay
in his own off lane for the most part.
And he's going into the BKB so he just wants to keep his game pretty stable and really,
freely be able to blink in, arena, get that control that the team needs that you were
talking about that the Windranger loves to really work with.
Yeah, even though they have BKB Pearson tools, 1, 2, 3 of them on extreme, it still gives
you quite a lot of protection, so it's a natural item build.
And something to point out about Shiro is that he is maxing out his power shot.
This is something that usually we don't see from carry wind rangers when they're playing
with the tangled facet.
Sometimes you don't even see power shot at all.
They go for stats instead, and then you also have stats on level 10 plus 4 attributes,
which makes you super tanky.
Let's see if they can find something here, maybe.
They have vision on Aname with this newly placed ward that is just out of range of the sentry
that's there.
So they know exactly where he's at, they've got two blinks to close the gap, and they'll
come over with Sardar near the vicinity, but they do not commit to try and get Aname.
Now he's in that outer ring.
That'll leave Planet just farming, Batrider to give the rotation to, X-XX is gonna show up to the lane.
They have found themselves FY, and the last is committed out of Planet.
But FY's already dead.
Acropire down, time zone, Requiem doesn't really do much of anything.
They'll even commit the Chaotic Offering.
But Bot's got himself a double kill, and going for the Shaco, it's always the one in the back.
In the back, they get that kill and nothing to say, Ex-Nova's in trouble, the TP out from Ame,
and Vici still just doing their own thing and finding success.
These Blink initiators, like the T-Fight that they do have, an insane amount of damage,
and pretty much after they grab that initial kill, the fight is kind of over.
I think they need to be able to split the fight immediately with the rock once the arena is used.
You know, there's Bloodsport Facet, you can kind of see who's missing there, but Arena on the two of them.
And they're limited amount of lockdown that they have, like even the damage that they have, Requiem, it was a zoning one.
And then another long cooldown ulti from Ex-Noah, drops doesn't even do anything, and they fight another really good angle,
angle which this Observer Ward that they placed, it kind of gave them free entry to the fight to allow them to choose the targets that they want to go for.
Yeah, the vision game's been really good for Vici.
And Xtreme are just struggling all around the map.
They're behind so much that the effectiveness of these heroes in these fights is pretty much zero.
Nothing to say. Yeah, he's got the blink dagger. You talked about it. Wants his BKB to feel safe.
You jump in, you go to pulverize. It's going to be stopped immediately.
The lockdown here for the side of Xtreme.
Avalanche toss, Lasso pulverized, isn't exactly the best.
Shackle connects, X-X access, dead on the screen already.
X-M's gonna get that kill, it's the battle of the X's.
And, uh, well, X-M's gonna be the one who wins that one.
With the next Focus Fire, they can go inside of the pit.
X-M, he's still chasing.
And this Lardar, he's a menace.
I'm trying to hope he's got the damage.
X-Nova with the Shadow Word is surviving for now.
It actually gets his way out, but the arena lands.
He lands and now box here to try and get himself a kill on Ami.
They throw down that time zone, they don't commit, they got nothing to say coming over.
He blinks in, but now he's got the curse of days and he needs to run.
The God's Beach stops him from on, swung into spear lands on Ami, the pulverized doesn't
last long enough, shackles onto the back end, that lands on Fy as well as nothing to say
they get the kill there.
And the back reply are burning out Fy, they'll chase for Ami.
He's the only one alive, again for Xtreme, as VG continued to overwhelm.
I would not be surprised if Extreme Gaming calls this game.
Yesterday when they played against Aurora, it was a 23 minute game where they kind of understood,
okay, we lost it.
They might give it one more fight.
We're approaching a territory where they can easily take Roshan,
they can easily take Tormentor in two minutes,
and this is XM holding the shield rune.
So the damage is not really coming through,
and they find the opening and planted it.
And I don't know that you don't see him rushing it a lot of times.
Sometimes it's like one small item, maybe a Pavis, maybe a full Solar Crest, and then maybe ATOS if you need it.
But straight up, Yul Scepter, which kind of sets things up, cancels the Shadow Thin Alti, and then after they lose one or two heroes,
it makes it completely impossible for Extreme Gaming to take the fight.
Vici, the org that hasn't found much dominance as of late, but currently looking really good against Extreme and they'll fight once more or last so it's on XM, but what do you have?
Aw, three-man arena.
The arena's there, the spear connects, they get the kill, XSS, FIX, NOVA, all dead, again, I'm a the only one alive.
Damn, this is just a beatdown. This is...
shellacking level. But we haven't seen, I think, so far at the tournament, not losing a single hero.
Not fun to be in a game like this.
When you're on the losing end of it, but when you're on the winning end, you're just able to know that you've got these fights in the bag.
And we can see the effects on the top of the screen. It's, I don't know what it is, but it looks like it's money.
It's the coins. They're too far. Too much money in their pockets.
pockets. 94% and even that again the 6% feeling generous ages into the hands of Shiro. Bok having
an excellent performance. You know what I think it is? I'm looking at the scoreboard
and Ame is the only one who did not die so I think what they're waiting for is Ame to
die and he's going to call GG. Yeah. I like the little tiny zero in between both
Zeroes in the KDA. It's like, ah, deaths, nothing.
Shard also picked up this one for Planet, now he's got the...
Time walk going the other way.
Zip in, zip out.
Do a little dance.
He's got Lotus and he's already got that Perseverance, he's happy.
Trying to show him the effectiveness and he's got more net worth than...
Nothing to say on that Primal.
That's the hero that doesn't farm, like this is the hero that doesn't have any farming tools,
but he still managed to have more farm than NTS.
It was like NTS didn't have a breakfast, didn't wake up properly.
He definitely wouldn't be playing the lane like he did.
Like he would creepscape, you have the best hero in the game to do so,
but maybe a bit of a slow morning, realizing slightly late that it's a very difficult matchup.
And the whole squad, it does feel like they did not come prepared for this one.
And whether it's breakfast, maybe they caught playing Magic the Gathering at 2am.
They are quite tired.
It's the next one though, they'll be fresh for the next one.
I really hope so, because they managed to get one kill in 21 minutes.
Breaking some records in this game, everybody is too farmed.
It's all started with Faisalsoid killing couple of couriers. Yeah, it was even until he kills three couriers exactly
Another kill here for XM. He's dominating
Box Mars this game has looked on point
shades of
Back when he was called ZRD playing for speed gaming China
That's the
Bok I remember
Shackle, looking for the Requiem ice path, nope that's not happening, that Requiem is not coming through just yet.
Chaotic Offering, and finally the Requiem flies in, but that's the first Ame death, and then...
They're in a GG. They were right. They were waiting for it. Ame has died, it goes over, and VGJ game number one.
I kind of sensed it. I kind of felt as what's going to happen.
22-minute game again same as what they were playing against Aurora yesterday
He dies they called GG and Vichy gaming they should be pretty happy about the performance
The face of a man who is playing faceless void position 4 and playing it's kind of too perfection
They look pretty chill over there, and then you could see just the opposite
Look on Xtreme. They just look hollow at the moment didn't get the chance to play Dota in this not really
There was no Dota played by Xtreme, but a lot of it played for Vici
We're gonna send it over to the panel and hear what they have to say I
Love that Lacoste predicted that it only would take a
0 1 0 record for army to GG out of that one
But the writing was on the wall already this game was a
Rough one that one kill that you see extreme gaming have that was actually fairly early on on shiro
And we're like wow first one that could be bad, but it's Vici gave me was on fire here gonna yeah
I think they're drafts
Kind of exceeded my expectations this slaughter. I was worried like oh the slaughter
It's not like it come with the void, but they picked it for what XM is really good at which is stomping the lane
They he wins made really hard. I think they're safe lane
Also ended up getting a bunch of space because of how much XM was just putting on the map and to me
just felt like a very just Vici style game playing around SM. Yeah it was and you know historically
speaking Vici does win a single game in the series against Extreme. Yeah but it doesn't go like this.
This was bad. They just completely stomp them. I mean the fun thing about Vici in this tournament
so far is that it really seems like they understand the meta like they know how to counter the really
overpowered heroes. For example, we've seen them do the Marcy versus Largo and Marcy
Kerry that is, and it goes very well. Like they're one of the few teams that can handle
beating the 70% win rate frog, but they also do it by picking their own style. You know,
they pick XM these weird like last pick, I will cheese you in the mid lane heroes that
pick planet is faceless void position four. So like there is a lot of potential here for
this team and to me in this game it's like that we're seeing the potential realized against
an inter-regional team that usually beats them and then yeah we have we have Shiro playing
I mean he got first picked as hero and I feel like he had an incredible amount of impact.
I feel like the the taunting of like you know you can pick Shadowfiend sure and then and
then extreme pick Shadowfiend on on A team which we already said like that's the you know
And then they're like, you know, that's how I think I even I even see an argument that the shadow team might not have been the best pick there
Hmm because the 18 I almost think you want it to be like a specialized pick like it's really good in this game
And shadow fiend is not really that hero. I don't think it really it's like oh
Shad of his good versus. Yeah, it's just good in general
So maybe if they pick something a bit more specialized to actually have impact in that type of game
It would have been better which is funny to say that you know like oh shadow fiend was the wrong pick
It's it's it is a it is a very interesting thought like I I feel like
I mean this makes sense the more and more I do these tournaments and the more I listen to good players talking about the draft
It's like I'm learning more and more like this idea
This idea that because a hero is not specialized enough
Even though it's considered very overpowered that it's actually bad because the value you're getting out of the specialization is more
Than what you're getting out of the good here
Yeah, but if you pick it early not only you're getting something overpowered
But you're getting something that in a way is flexible because it's so overpowered that it's uncounter actually build your draft around it
Whereas in this game
They're the wind which I think is a pretty decent response to it
Then I'm getting the sorter which is also good versus it
It's just like so much even the Mars
I think kind of has a lot of nice like it prevents the shadow from doing his damage and it's okay if you pick the shadow
And then you get countered because then your later picks are like, oh, we have this first win
We have this first, you know Mars, but
When you late pick it your other stuff's pre countered by it
So you're just kind of like doubling down on that matchup the analogy that I'm like using in my head to understand it
It's like you have this thing
That's normally a really good foundation for a beautiful building and then you take the foundation
You put it down you start building pieces and then you take another foundation you slam it on top
It just you know, I mean we could talk about this kind of thing, but at the same time
I'm
Played out at this game also due to a lot of other lanes not going the way of extreme one of those lanes was the mid lane
Gunner this was something you wanted to highlight here. Yes, so
He it's a really good matchup for the starter over the frontal least
Yeah, I think the biggest thing I wanted to highlight there was he got that solo kill
There was a little like pressure from the void like there's a guy sitting there helping him
But it was a solo kill, but it was at the siege timing
It was at that like five minute 30 seconds when the siege is there and that actually ended up with the tower dying at like
626 30 I want to say and that opens up the map so much
It means that primal is just a bunch a lot slower hero. You can't get rune control
I think that meant that bat ready got left alone. So he started dying to the wind
It's just this mid tower dying
I think mattered so much for the game state
Maybe if that tower doesn't die they can slow the game down
Shad of him can get his items can get to this like stronger point in the game, but
You know, it's just the XM show at the end of the day XMO for a last pick. What can you do?
Well, you know, maybe you can also address a dress hero and wanted to take a little bit of a deeper look into
Sheryl and his win rangers one of the few that actually does played regularly on first pick with tangled
Yeah, this is this is an interesting one because you know you have one facet, which is for power shot
And you have one facet which is for
Shackle and so for a long time people went for tangles and went for matching shackle literally entirely skipping power shot
But I think what people realized is that you know just because
Shackle is scaling and very good in the game because of the tangles fast
It doesn't necessarily mean that the early game pressure that comes out of having the power shot is bad
So it is a very good. It's still a very good spell. It was doing a lot of damage. It was genuinely quite impactful
in the early game for him
You're like a pseudo Zeus or a specter like a global hero in a way because there were a lot of times
He was like farming stacks in the enemy triangle kind of doing his own thing
And then you just see boom a 400 damage power shot in the mid lane. Let me take that kill real quick
Yeah, he's stealing a kill or at the very least he's like boiling it. He's slowing in a fight. He's contributing to the fight
He's getting a cis gold so it's kind of like a farming ability in that sense
You know he can push out waves as well with the power shot not that you struggle to do that with the yeah
Maelstrom anyway, but it's more about like contributing to the fights and this allowed them to snowball a lot harder than if he were to just AFK farm with
I also think it's a nice read with the draft
You're like sorter who has a bunch of like slows and stuns to help you hit it
You have jacquerie of Mars the void doesn't really help you
But you have these three heroes that just I don't want to say guarantees a power shot
But it just makes it so annoying like imagine you get stunned by a sorter and then the second that bashes up
You get slowed by the power shot
Yeah, and you get slowed until the next bash or the next stun and by that point you're done
Yeah, this was this is like a 2223 minute. This is this is fast and I think extreme gaming need all the time
They can to talk about this and to prepare for game number two, which is coming our way in just a moment
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We'll describe some heroes with some very long descriptions.
You have to say who it is, all right?
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There's like five heroes in Dota, the hero, Warlock, SF.
All right, number one.
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She walks the thin edge where a whisper of pleasure
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What hero could this be?
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I'm Kop.
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Yes, it's Queen of Pain.
How did you know that so quickly?
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Ecstasy.
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There's no whisper of pleasure.
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Who was supposed to do this?
Aureco?
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He's got a book and a demon.
Probably a warlock.
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Take a few seconds.
Okay, this has to be warlock.
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This is hard.
It's not that hard, but.
Underlord?
Underlord?
Underlord?
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It's not, obviously not.
It should not be.
This is genuinely probably the easiest one,
but I'm not trying to.
How is that easy?
What do you mean, how is that easy?
All right.
I have none.
Damn it, why, man?
Probably Abaddon.
Okay, okay!
That's Abaddon?
Ladies and gentlemen.
No, it's not final answer.
Okay, I'm not gonna tell you what it is.
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He's about to die and then he heals himself.
All right, there.
Black Mist.
I don't know Abaddon.
Unfortunately, it is Abaddon.
I don't know who else to be two out of three ain't too bad.
Congratulations.
Only three.
Yeah.
You want more?
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Oh.
We'll get more quiz questions next time
for the players and see how they do.
For now, we're going to see how extreme gaming is dealing with the quiz that Vici Gaming is throwing at them and the quiz is how to win the game voted to against them.
Game number one was rough for Extreme. Vici Gaming had a solid grip on this game.
Game number two coming your way now Jenkins and Gunnar are going to tell me how Extreme Gaming is going to turn the tides around because Gunnar, we said that Extreme Gaming likes second pick, us first pick, sorry, and they did get first pick.
It didn't work out.
For me, a lot of it does come down to the Shadow Fiend and maybe the Primal.
I think both of the last two picks I wasn't really a big fan of.
The Primal had already kind of hard matchups in the game and then he gets kind of picked.
And the Shadow Fiend, again, also isn't really a hero.
I think if they were going to pick it, they could have picked it for like 14, 15, somewhere
early in the draft.
So almost like the two most important picks, I think they kind of fumbled.
That happens to the best of us.
things hard, especially when there's these broken heroes, I think you get baited into
putting such high value on it, kind of what Jenkins was saying, is like you see Shadowfiend
and you're like, guys, how are we forgetting about this hero?
It's in the pool, it's 18, why don't we have it?
It's also different drafts than they have been doing Jenkins for the entire tournament,
because playing against Vici Gaming is different because of their knowledge of each other.
Yeah, they have to bend a lot of things, which lends itself to this really interesting
situation of Shadowfiend making it so far through and Vici was the team that was willing
to take that gambit and like dangle the hero out there and say like we are confident that
we can counter it. In fact, they pre-counter it with Windrunner, which they also seem to
think as an answer to the Batrider, and it worked out well for them. So in this case,
the team that was willing to take like more of a risk with the draft got rewarded for
that which is it's always very fun to see because that's when we see the most uh
ridiculous situations. I have great news statistically we're going to game three because
Vici is dire and they have a zero percent when you're in the tournament. Oh, it's only one game
though. But no, zero percent sounds really good when I bring that up. I was thinking that this
band would come out like you've seen a lot of other teams ban box mars it just feels like Vici
as a unit plays really well around this hero and I don't know it doesn't seem like any of the other
offlaners really do what a Mars does. It's so hard to compete with spear arena. Like both it's not
only like you have a stun because there's a lot of offlaners that do have a stun there's like the
centaur is the always one that I get I think of but what arena does especially in a meta of range
shows there's nothing there's nothing in the game that blocks protect us yeah yeah
it just it lets you split the fight in a way the other heroes just simply do not
and the repositioning element too I think can be played around with very
strong teams that are good like team fighting and positioning base teams so
it's kind of a run back the difference is the Mars yeah and Jekiro and so the
The Beastmaster and the Viper were banned previous games, but they're still in.
But the opening is exactly the same.
I think that Jekiro matters a bit, but not as much as the Mars.
I think the Mars could change the draft, could make it a lot easier for Shun to get through.
The Jekiro is just like the basic strong support.
So to kind of back that up, they're also banning the Disruptor.
I don't think we've actually seen it that much, I want to say.
I don't we've seen a band in this phase. It could band a lot because it's very good for his bat
Especially in the landing stage like this guy would sort of run away with firefighting to glimpse him back
Mm-hmm, but I think we rarely like four picks is pretty low
Apparently especially with the amount of games we've been having I do appreciate the faces void band as well. That's fun
Yeah, yeah, that's fair. It's like you're
Don't play into the comfort. Yeah, Vici and I feel like the
theoretical combos with faceless void are
so different from what is currently meta.
I know a lot of the heroes do fit into the current meta,
but playing around a Leshrac who now has two or
three stuns in a team fight because of time zone is different.
Playing around a Slaughter that can effectively permanently change stun you,
it's different. You just don't know the matchups.
You just don't know how you can play into it.
I think in Dota, when it comes to playing into these unknowns,
you either have to present your own unknowns and hope that it's
better or just eliminate them altogether.
I kind of want a very strong
Five out of this pick for the win lane pairing like clockwork tree
something like that
Because last game they had the jacquero and since then now I think you just want to replace it with something that has killed
It again, I which is why I do like the tree sure
There's the one-to-one ratio of tree vs. Bat is
Scary which is what I was considering
But if you're picking a purely for the laning stage with the root and the slow just for kills and then obviously you know
You do scale into the tree mid game. I think it is a good pick.
There's arguments for tree versus bat too, I will say.
Like for example, I think tree is one of the better heroes at just running on his own to the
two jungle camps that the offlaner likes to farm and like putting sentries down and words
and scouting him. But I see what you're saying like a bat running down a tree and taking off
the living armor like almost instantly. It's a very fun matchup for the bat to be in.
Also even cutting the trees like in the pregame you can get firefighter level one and just eat
all the trees. Against this hero it's always worth it in my opinion. So this
double pick is gonna be a bit harder than the last game. I always try to think
of Underlord. I don't know why the hero just seems, or actually Tidehunter is
really good here for VP. Yeah against Bat Shulman. It gives them a pipefire
that you really almost always want versus Bat and Phoenix combined. It's a hero
that doesn't really get caught and it protects the wind going back for the
sardar driver oh wait so dry row carry right and the wins no way it's a planet
dry row right now right guys right guys listen this guy's playing
faceless void for it could be a fucking planet sardar for all I plan to
Slotter, Planet Wind, Planet Gyro.
You just don't know.
This guy has had a transformation.
I want to say this is just a Gyro carry
as a Phoenix kind of response, because you can flack
and then hit the egg, and you're still doing damage
while you're also dealing with the egg.
And you can flack and hit the serpent wards.
Yeah.
It is hypothetically a very good Gyrocopter carry game.
And then you just hit the wind support, it goes kill shot.
The Slotter, they're picking as a flex
between mid and offline out, I assume.
It's not, I think the Slardar is good with either carry as well, the Jar or the Wind,
because you either amplify the guy that Wind is hitting with Cross of Haze and which just
kills him in a second, or even if you just like put it on a random support, the Flak Cannon,
which is actually really nice because honestly the vision is the big thing, like in that
this guy can't juke in the trees or hide behind some like high ground, you press Cross of
Haze, you get vision, every single Flak Cannon hits and then that guy is two armor and dies.
Okay, I mean I think I like that more on the 18th pick than a shadow fiend because yeah, it's more
Cheesy it's more like you don't have an answer to this
Mid lane, I mean you cannot throw the Beastmaster off lane because of the gyro
Say hello gyro support actually then he's still against the gyro. No because I didn't tell the lane I mean I
because doesn't it look like this is your safe land and that's your off lane I
think the beast is probably just the mid and then it's bad off lane and then
they're gonna 23 carry like okay if I'm on extreme I even more so than the
Beastmaster more fling looks really good for them I was also looking more your
flat cannon to steal you have windrun yeah it's also amazing because you get
the windrun plus you get the shackle and even sardar sardar is like saying
sprint plus bash you get all the morph stats you get a bunch of attacks like
this to me is an amazing morph carry game i remember there was a while people
are actually saying morphling is the biggest counter to sardar yeah because
of this like when they first changed it so that you keep morphling stats like
having a bash hero who's attacking it like five times per second literally perma
bash it's pretty crazy well you have to grief the game on sardar to get to that
You have to go like moonshark mask of madness morphing simply exists and he can permabash you and it's even
The morphing itself is pretty good in terms of HP this game
Like he doesn't have burst damage just worry about like you'll always get a strength more fall
So always survive for a good amount of time
I think the Phoenix combos well with him because when you have the morph into that strength you get that
Super healing from the laser these faster gives you a bit of
Like single target catch with the morphons like the beast I should can roar the gyro if it's a carry and the morpho
Just kill him and they just take the fight off of that really easily
Well storm is banned out first so they are still
Opening up the idea that base could be care. Yeah, maybe just don't want to deal with another the same storm
Which is also fair and also extreme bends Bursal
Which I think is pretty good against beasts and the offline Viper is also I mean it's XM so
So it could be mid Viper, it could be off lane Viper against Beast.
I think part of why Extreme Pick Beast is maybe they think wherever Slaughter goes,
Beast can go and Beast could do pretty well against it.
You pick this flex between off lane and mid, okay, we'll pick a flex between mid and carry
that can follow it, that will do well against it.
But Vici is the team that has last pick, so they're going to have complete information
on the draft.
And once again, we're in a situation where it's like, okay, XN buddy, what do you want
completely hard counter this game because it's free man you see the whole enemy draft.
Yep you can choose Slardar as well if they just want to pick a different hero for
for the off lane potentially it is the queen of pain that gets banned out so nothing to say has
less options it's still Beastmaster any of the spirits that still is actually only void spirit
but they go for raising. Razor is also flexible. It's also very good versus gyro and the or the
the wind carry you just like link the guy and kind of chasing down it's like
the anti-carry yeah but can you just wind run away I feel like you can but
razors are really fast hero how is uh how is lush rack versus razor you think
it's a mid razor that's what I'm thinking I feel like I feel like a lush
Shrek would do pretty good against this.
Well, Sniper.
Sniper.
Nice one, girl.
Oh, how about Sniper?
It's good versus either mid hero, whether it's the Razor or the Beast.
It's a response to the egg.
I think that you also, the Shard plus Pike are both really good versus back because you
have two different ways to disengage when this guy is like haste running at you.
And Gyro to me these days has felt, I think the most successful ones actually are going
like the stat builds without the eggs I really like the one where they go like
man to dragon lands butterfly and maybe they get an eggs late game but they're
more of like a beefy body and I think that kind of build would pair really
nicely with the XM slayper and I just wanted to I wanted to see that
this guy will never let teams forget XM what a goofy character he is he will be
flying to cartel sharp eye I mean it's hypothetically super good against
Phoenix as well like egg killer from super long range. How do we feel about the
Windranger pause 4 and the starter off like how is that lane gonna do against
the Beastmaster? Double nukes I mean I think they're pretty good at killing the
boar with if you can walk up and start off stun and then Windranger. I don't
think they're gonna contest all my air pressure him at all but I think they
should do fine and it's more about what it gives them in the other lanes. Gyro
I don't care what you're laning against that is a winning lane
Yeah, and then you have a sniper mid where hypothetically sniper should be like is he's pretty free in this game other than like eventual batrider blink
Like even the shadow shaman stands there and channel stuff
Sniper from two screens away will just kill him as he's channeling and then easily you can
Track him when he turns into a chicken and he's dead anyway, and he's dead anyway
Does that mean that you're forever forever fade? Oh, why are you going in a different way?
Okay, say it, Gunny.
I like Future's Draft.
I think XM is going to win mid pretty hard.
I think that the Scylins are both going to go even to wins for them.
And then I think that, I don't know, just based on how they played in the first game
and how fast they played, I expect that if they play at a similar pace, that the game
is going to be kind of the same kind of stomp.
I agree.
I really like the Sniper Last Pick.
I mean, they always go to one.
always have it going. You don't want to go for the 2.0. Yeah, I feel like I don't want to go for the 2.0, but I don't know. I really feel like Vici is they have like
risen to another level in this tournament. Well, as I said, they played so fast in game number one, and the question really is if extreme gaming this time around is better prepared to deal with that speed and can push back to a game number three to keep their tournament dreams alive.
We're going to find out what's going to happen with Vic up at the cost.
Thank you so much, Vici, coming into this tournament, not a tournament that they had
initially qualified for, but one that they're trying to take the most advantage of being
here, and they are one game away from going to the playoffs as they dominated game number
one.
Meanwhile, Xtreme just trying to keep tradition of theirs going, and that's three games.
And well, they'll have to win this game to get to game three, but it does feel as though
So Vici have themselves a very good draft, it's not looking like a coin flip like the
last of them have, it's not blue and well we'll see if Vici can just take the 2-0.
They have a good draft and we have a little bit of a situation on Extreme Gaming, we kind
of figured out what came first, chicken or the egg in this draft because they have Shaman
and Phoenix so we actually have the answer.
That is a strong looking draft on the extreme as well, like this draft doesn't lack anything,
I just think some of the matchups are in favor of reaching gaming, but if I've seen this
draft on like any time of the day, I'd be like, it's a strong looking draft.
Got XM on the sniper over, maybe we've seen this razor again, not something that me and
you have seen a lot of, but it is going to be played by nothing to say, who is not at
the most exciting time mid.
Uh, especially last game, it felt like he had no game to play.
Should have a little bit of an easier time, I would say, with the Razor, but against Sniper,
it could still be tough, right?
It can be.
And XM being the Sniper Expert, I already like what I see and is quick by.
I see Orb of Corrosion, an item that not many people are willing to buy.
That item was OP for a while, but it's very good.
There are four range heroes on the enemy team.
So you're slowing their movement speed by 16%, 8% against melee targets,
so that's going to be for Beastmaster, and health restoration by 16%.
So if Razor goes for Guardian Greaves, you're not going to be getting that extra bit of a heal.
Beastmaster, his core item is Agate of Scepter, so reducing some of that healing as well.
So already like one small, cheap item, that's going to be doing quite a lot of work.
By the way, while we were looking at the three lanes and everything,
Planet already keeping up with what he did in the last game, getting himself a Courier kill.
And that's one on the board already. He got Ex-Nova's Courier with the Salmon, and he's working with that Kill Shot.
Bokk, it's gonna be a little tough for him to get these heroes low, but maybe Planet rotates over to get some snipes with said Kill Shot.
The Shiro trying to continue what he did in the last game and have that dominating lane, and take over.
And with the Tree of Protector, this shouldn't be too hard to just kind of sustain in a lane like this.
Yeah, you're winning this lane just by having Trin Protector in the lane.
Jirokoptor also a super strong laner.
Sometimes he needs extra bit of region to survive in some of these engagements,
and Trin Protector is gonna give him exactly that.
Why?
Two fairy fires.
No point in living Arbor yet, starting with Nature's Grasp.
Thinking maybe we're gonna be able to grab some kills extra bit of slow.
Red lane, nothing to say.
Actually having the upper hand so far, more things than three.
the tower shots.
Kind of under the tower after hitting XM and eight, two, or three tower shots to the point
where he needs to really back off the lane.
Went around the creeps and not put him in tower range.
Not the worst thing is he's got that bottle, but now it's empty.
And if Sniper can control these water runes, Razor's life gets a little bit more difficult.
Bot in the off lane up against Samaenek.
So how does this go for Saurter? Because there is a lot that can be thrown at you from the side of extreme on the Saurter if he's trying to CS.
I think he's going to be okay as long as they decide to play aggressive with the poor, with the dive.
He's going to be fine as soon as he hits level 4 to have that slow resistance on Guardian Spring with the facet.
So I don't think he's going to be dying.
Saurter tends to do good at early levels and then level 4, level 5.
He starts to fall off a little bit
All the while Planet just trying to pull the waves for him
Really impressed by nothing to say the way he's been playing so far in this matchup had a really slow game
In that game number one, but so far he's AFK
Since they're AFK for just a moment, but yeah, he's got 20 CS which is I think just about what he had it
Seven minutes into the game last game, he was getting nothing out of the lane and was getting highly pressured.
Happening a little bit more as XM getting those levels and has that second point in a shrapnel,
but nothing to say able to go and grab that water rune at least over top, so he'll have a refill on that bottle.
They did a good job of clearing the trees for the most part, making Wyze Life a bit tougher,
but Shiro constantly using this flat cannon to put some damage out of these two heroes on the side of Xtreme.
Well that being said, Ames is at the top of the CS chart,
thinks staying a bit close to one struggling for the moment is X-X-X.
So what's the game plan here for XG that makes it different than last game for them?
They have a much easier draft to execute, they have extremely good teamfights, they have heroes who can actually punch back.
This is not going to be a game where they have one kill by any means.
Shiro getting bounced back in.
Decent damage on a Shiro.
He's a shock, but Leech Seed doing its work to keep him alive just barely, but now they've got another set of shackles.
And why? He gets low and he'll end up being that first-boyed XXS getting the kill.
Was it X-XS that also got the first blood in the game, number one, and that was the
only kill that they managed to get in the whole game?
Yeah.
So if they get another kill, life is better, but right now we're following the same, uh,
same script as game number one.
Not as many career kills.
I think X-XS, he did go for Crimson Guard in the previous one.
Not sure if he won't finish it in the end, but this is a really good Crimson Guard game.
This has to be drums, bonga boots into Crimson Guard
because you're playing against three physical damage cores.
Fy in trouble, power shot being charged up,
and he'll end up dead, XXS on the run,
as maybe they'll try to win another kill shot there.
But getting that kill onto the Shadow Shaman,
and that's gonna be one of the board for Vici,
and I'm not surprised by how I made these rotations,
especially now, coming towards the six minute mark,
It's going to make the life of Bach a bit harder in his lane while they don't have a support nearby.
And if they can focus and control the rune though for VG, it really does help the lane quite a bit.
He was bottled by nothing to say, so he picks up the shield rune, they brought two heroes over to the top rune, and the luck draws in favor of extreme.
Why? Warped behind the tower.
They're going with the Dive and Bok has got the Crush, but they will now double up on not only their kill total this game, but they have done more than they did in the last one.
And they are invading enemy XT Shrine, whilst also putting quite a lot of pressure onto the tower.
We're seeing this more and more, the enemy offlane tower dying before like 7-8 minutes, XM also deep it in.
Box is going to come back, Y is here, nothing to say with the shield rune.
Got a couple heroes in the vicinity, they're going to focus their attention on a box.
He is way out of position away from his team, there's nothing that they can do to help.
Y is sitting a little bit low, they will get the shrine,
but Y is over here trying to get a kill onto the Phoenix, unable to do so,
Shiro comes over and he's willing to make this rotation.
Power shot again, call down, that's going to land on nothing to say.
But where's the mana, where's the follow-up to get the kill here?
The shackles lock up the gyro compter, they've got the assassinate, they get the kill and another to save, and fly on the run.
Planet low, power shot coming through, and fly through the trees, and that's gonna be eventually another kill, this one for Shiro.
Featuregaming, they brought the whole squad, but a little unfortunate for Bok, he died, TP'd and died again.
So his game is gonna be kinda ruined, because he can't, this is a hero that can't really farm.
really farm. He also didn't get the XB rune, I believe. So that's a good amount of XB getting
solo XB for an Observer Ward. But it's going to be a very slow game for him. XM also didn't have,
I believe, full Shrapnel Chargers. I think he came in with two Shrapnels and with the Orb of
Corrosion for the next fight. It's going to be a lot of slow. They're going to be able to kite.
And something to point out is that on his Beastmaster, he does have Arcane Boots, so he wants
to spam timing on his agonim scepter. He's gonna be really good, Shiro. He'll be in danger here.
Top side of the lane, but it's not gonna matter. They've got the hex to go to the shackles,
and that's gonna be stopped, so Shiro's trying to run. Nothing to say is right on.
Him nature's grasping down, the homie missile lands. Power shot, nothing to say. Bounce for a second.
It gets Shiro out. There's no kill for either side, but that being said, Bok again dead bottom,
and he is just not going to find a place to feel comfortable in that bottom lane.
You're going to need to play 4v5. Slaughter doesn't have a game. This is a hero that
can clear some of the stacks, but he also needs someone to make the stacks for him,
and now seems like it's a bit too late knowing that they have another entrance to the triangle,
so he will not be as comfortable farming in that area. Nothing to say. Also going for a bit of a
different build seems like he wants to also carry from the mid lane as soon as
you see power trades means he's not going for guardian greaves I guess he
wants to have Manta style like the guardian greaves would give you the
same thing it would give you the spell against corrosive haze against
during protector ulti but Manta does it I would say better overall in terms of
scaling maybe thinking that if this Batrider is buying into auras maybe and
we have Beastmaster as a carry eventually we're gonna need to have a
hero that can't scale so potentially 15 20 35 minutes in 45 he wants to be
another core that's gonna be very difficult to deal with some mental
style BKB and I think this is also gonna be very good game for AC not
necessarily from him it could be him buying it it also could be potentially
Batrider that could buy it because I already said that it's one of the best
crimson games that you could ask for even position for windranger like she
wants to deal damage with the focus fire because you're gonna have corrosive
haste amplify some of that damage sniper chirocopter so crimson value out of
crimson is gonna be through the roof what's the game plan here for Bob is it
just hope and pray bottom they can get to this blink dagger as quickly as
possible you try to get involved with just the corrosive haze and maybe find a
TP opportunity to get a kill in yeah, I think so he's gonna continue to farm up and then be a bit more
Careful how he's gonna be approaching the fight because you can't die again
That's XM everybody's here and they're gonna have the heroes necessary to get this kill nobody able to rotate in time
They brought the whole kick caboodle
Good initiation on hex M dies immediately and they should be the tower as well planet all the level five
Nothing to say, it's gonna be the one tanking it up, and this Racer's gonna be super speedy.
Again, I think I said it a couple of times already, Cobalt Cup with quicken enchantment, plus the extra windlays.
Just makes you super speedy, plus your unstable current. You'll do increase your movement speed by 1% for each level.
Kind of just sitting at 8%.
Smoke used Xtreme, they're still looking to shut down Bok, they know if he could just get to the blank it gives him opportunity to get involved in and fight.
There's no tier 1, but there is that tier 2 that he can kind of hide behind if he can get into this side jungle and that's exactly what he does at least for the moment.
So the smoke doesn't turn into anything over bottom, but planet he needs to run.
One of the things, I guess, is the silver lining for Vici is, Fy's not level 6 yet, they could have put those wards down and gone for a tower, but they're healing it up, at least for now with the Trion Protector having that living armor and trying to just maintain and keep these towers up as long as they can to get at least some of the map presence still available for themselves.
Vichy Gaming, they will need to slow down, if you have Sniper who's not playing from
ahead, which means that he will be farming the jungle, same goes for Jarocopter, and
as we said, Slaughter, he is recovering relatively nicely.
He was left alone, sitting at 0-3 and 0 at the moment, but needs another minute or so
to finish off his Link Dagger.
And also, I think Extreme Gaming are realizing how they need to itemize.
If you look at all the neutral items that they do have, there are three Ash Legion shields.
Understanding that most of the damage is going to be physical.
Missed two Miss Skulls, three Miss Skulls, Ash Legion Shields.
So all three of them looking to use them with some mana regen.
Y getting run at, forced to overgrowth, and now a homing missile.
That's gonna be a good kill to get the lasso and to the kill on a Y it ends up being a trade X, X, S, D, N, X, M.
Now you've got that moment where the blink dagger is picked up and purchased for the Slardar.
I wouldn't be surprised to see them maybe smoke, try to get an early kill with that corrosive.
Hey, start getting the ball rolling a little bit harder for the Slardar.
Because he is the odd one out when you look at the net worths four cores.
It's been a tough road for him to get to this point and it's also going to be around that 14 minute time.
Oh, not to say he's invading enemy Triangle, but Beastmaster is approaching.
He also has great healing Lotus, Aghanim Scepter completed.
Beastmaster's going to be tanky.
He's swamming.
Smoke breaks.
Why?
Goes over to the high ground, roar, use, box in, blink, crush with the bash and some decent damage to shackles connect.
Shackels connect, Ame's in trouble but he's got that Lotus but it's gonna be enough.
Shiro Shackels controlled, the Serpent Ward are there, they get that kill on a 3, they'll fight themselves XM
and he's trying to blink them down but just does not have the damage.
The only one still alive is Bak, but overall a good trade for Extreme despite losing, Ame.
Yeah, much better execution overall. They kind of connected at the same time, they have Observer Ward on the high ground
So they see every single approach, they see Sniper who's not ready to peep yet from the distance.
Gonna see it again, also Shirou tip it in, immediately he gets hacked, he gets trapped by the wards.
And the fight felt kinda immediately over, Ex-Nova diving in and then he's gonna pop the egg
knowing that they can't really focus him down. If they do, they're still gonna be losing everybody.
It was like right in the middle of two heroes, but I believe one of them also had fire spirits on them,
So almost impossible to kill the egg
Not a good fight on their own triangle there for Vici and they are starting to fall behind 4k net worth advantage for extreme gaming
All working out wonders for them that first blink
Opportunity not really doing much and now you've got multiple centuries here. Why walks up?
Why ends up in a body bag? So this tree gets chopped down very quick
There's gonna be in the next few items
very huge problemo for reach a gaming once that's that's under finishers off
Crimson Guard. Sheffield doesn't connect but they will get this kill on AFY.
You can see that buck is desperately trying to get involved. He knows his
game is struggling and the one who's kind of dropped off hard it seems like
It's XM. He's had a couple of deaths in this game, 3-2 and 2.
But we'll see if he can kind of catch up and keep up with the Razor in not only net worth
but effectiveness.
Seems like Xtreme, they're the ones kind of controlling the pace and the part of the
map to play aggressively.
What's Vici's idea here? Is it more stay aggressive like I've been saying with Bakl or is it?
Do you really want to just kind of back up and take your time?
I say that with a crush coming through X success was the one trying to play aggressive on shiro
It's a counter play that comes in they might have an opportunity
With the shackle to go against something big the power shot kill shot gets the kill of the army
Supernova gets used that ends up exploding they can re-engage back in nothing to say with a plasma field
Well, they'll have a chance to blink. Power shot doesn't land. Sunray keeps him back. They don't go any further, but it works out for Vici.
This looked like a curved hook back from Dota 1 days from Pudge.
I want to see this again. He did not come from the angle, but he landed it perfectly, and Phoenix being the biggest damage dealer in the team.
the team even though in theory they should have good heroes to kill the
egg with sniper and gyrocopter it's still not happening in Bach right in the
spot where he needs to be and you could feel that Amé, okay I think this was
like right on the edge slightly more to the right than it would not connect
that's the kind of shackle that connects and then you're there's gonna be one
that's like straight on and it doesn't hit I still get a spell
I still don't get it right behind it, and sometimes it does not connect
So they managed to pull it back if they win one more fight like this inside of beachy gaming and they have slaughter
Available they can definitely turn that into Roche
That early crucian Hayes who?
52 47 40 53 47 well not sure what happened between 51 and 53% they kill like two crates
Ah yeah, that's too extra percent.
Yeah, they could have just let it be a 50-50.
Rare to see it like that these days.
Fights like this though, between the teams,
they've gone back and forth as we've seen.
So they're in crush, Ame caught,
Shackle connects once again, Ame dead,
and they will kill the Beastmaster, back to back.
So it keeps going back and forth.
One fight goes for extreme,
And the next one goes for Vici, they get themselves a pick off on Ami.
It's a bit of a boom pile between the two.
Let's not say he's gonna stay, Bok, does have a Blink Dagger, but there is Mantis-style.
Let's not even say Meteor, if he pops the ulti, in case they want to jump him.
They've got Blink Dagger for the Shatter Shaman, he's gonna be looking to be the initiator.
They've got themselves that initiation where, as we said, Bok's got the one for his team.
He's working on that BKB to feel a little bit more free in these fights.
They do have Roar to potentially turn it and they've got Lassa, so BKB is not the ultimate
protection for this team.
Yeah, the Crimson is the best item right now.
I think they're going to be trying to look for a fight.
I think both of the teams want to take the fight and take Rochon.
They have extremely good Roche taking lineups.
Success to stop.
Just farming alone.
He's actually got the phoenix here, but nobody from the side of Vici is in the vicinity.
Sniper is soon to have his own agg and M's in.
They're looking for more armor, looking for that solar crest, just trying to keep it alive.
So, what are the next few items that we're seeing from Vici after these big items?
Like, what's the game plan for Sniper now that he's gotten aggs chipping him?
I would have seen one defensive item.
It's a shark.
He already has dragon land, so he can make a pike out of it, which I feel good.
And of course, PKB is coming out from Slaughter, Trink Protector, he's trying to buff up the team, going for the Stolar Crest.
And Jarocopter buying all these small items, MantaStyle now about to be completed.
We are seeing this build being superior back to the old days, when people were getting Agatham Scepter straight away, maybe like Treads, Crystalist, and the Aghza.
But now it's a lot of these smaller items, Falcon Blade, Dragon Lance, and then MantaStyle most of the time.
Going away from bot, but going to follow that from FY.
She can figure X in the hex, they go to the shackles, they've got Axe XS here.
They'll follow that up with Elasso and get the kill out of the slaughter.
XM maybe thinking about going on nothing to say, they've got Shiro running for it.
Hoping there's some good dodge off the shackle shot.
But the call-down is there, the power shot comes in, fight against the kill, they go to the private ward,
they've got the super doper right on XM, he's trying to run, but there is nowhere to go.
Shackles now hitting on the planted, this might just be a third for Xtreme.
They didn't lose themselves, nothing to say, but getting these three kills, a triple kill for XXS, is quite massive.
Oh, big fight for Extreme Gaming.
This is gonna give them Roshan, like Sniper, so far we have seen him be mostly in the melee range.
Like they are doing a good job of closing the gap.
Sure, you killed the Razor, but it took you a good amount of time.
First they managed to kill Slaughter and they definitely do need Slaughter. Slaughter is the one who's amplifying the damage for the rest of the team, for his sniper, for his gyrocopter.
And then it takes a really long time to kill him. Everybody else is going to be ready to TP in. Beastmaster does have WingTagger available, finds the opportunity immediately into the egg.
And this was the fight with Crimson, I don't think he even popped it there, because there was no need for it, but the next fight is also going to be much more difficult for Vichy gaming.
You're talking about gyros switching, like the school of thought kind of switching on the builds needed for the gyro, what's the biggest reason for that? Why are we seeing the change in ideology?
I think you you can fight faster you feel fight ready because you have mental style
Rather than have your agonist sector, so you are gonna be joining the fight
You have defensive tool as well where you can dodge stuff. You can dispel stuff that you can also
It gives you damage in a way
Okay, I'm getting another kill here potentially on two sides
Yeah, they're chasing things about the overgrowth. Why doesn't even let it rip a bock and wire did it gives you vision in the fight
to use Banta style and then you can like follow the heroes which is vision for your
flak cannon sometimes they are going to be hiding in the trees in the fog trying to
dodge you. Slaughter is also doing the same thing this is like this
duo on paper it looks very good it provides damage
amplification and also gives vision for flak cannon to hit.
And in this case also with the sniper letting him try to get an assassinate off getting that
vision and being able to right click from a distance.
He is, you know, going for a Lincoln's eventually, shadow-blade thought for Sniper 2.
So defensive in that way, but not that movement, but he picked with a shard so I guess he's
got that.
I still would like to see the hurricane bike.
I think one is a position that he's in.
is doing it like overdoing it a bit. They also need to start thinking about having enough
damage to kill the heroes. Okay, Ghostran Protector, he's not the damage, he's going
to be amplifying the damage with the Solar Crest. The Windranger needs to focus the target
with Corrosive Haze, but it's not going to be the damage coming off of her. Carry Windranger,
I'm sure he's gonna TP in. He gets the farm off. Why get it caught again?
He's five. Just runs out.
Didn't quite get caught this time. No dust on him.
Sentry situation is near, but he's not. At least leading forward. Did you smoke?
They've got two minutes left on the ages.
See that regen room didn't bother by nothing to say, he can meet up with the rest of his
team, he can get smoked or just lead the charge, go after the tier one tower, move from there.
Another man to stop, picked up this one for the Beastmaster, so Ami continuing to sit
at the top of the net worth.
Power shot's flying in, but this tier one tower is going to drop, nobody here from the
side of Vici is open to defend this.
And I said, you know, there are answers to the BKBs that come out from Vici who will
lose Innocence again, but they're getting the BKBs on extreme. What are the answers to that?
I'll let you answer that after we see Bob get caught one more time.
Flying X's come out, Nami's got another kill.
Don't think they have the answers for the BKBs, but in theory, sure, there is overgrowth,
there is bash, but these are not like the answers that you do need considering how
Thank you. They are right now and extra having a perfect game on this Phoenix
Or zero and seven didn't die a single time level 14 use the same level as the enemy off later
Yeah boxes struggle to have a game
Pound it with the fact that
We're kind of hitting this last five minutes or so where
Extreme feel like the much stronger team and have taken advantage of that feeling not only getting themselves in ages
but taking over the map, taking down these towers, and really shrinking the availability that Vichy have to them.
Deep Ward.
Gonna get some vision sentry, I believe, while I kind of understand where this ward has been placed.
We'll see if he ends up getting that deep ward and stops that deep vision from being there, but not at the moment.
That'll be left alone, and that will maybe give them an answer to jump on Bak again, who's been heat map-wise towards that bottom side of the map.
But BKB sit together, Shiro's got the BKB, he'll have a little bit more freedom of the
fight, smoke's been used and four heroes are going to sit behind this gyro, who continues
to farm.
Freshly bought BKB, also neutral item, gunpowder, gauntlet, with the top ones, the armor and
damage, exactly what they need, they need extra bit of the damage, nothing to say, again
this is a very difficult hero to kill, he has our Hinerun, Manta, plus a BKB.
They want to go for a different target. Ideally, you want to take out the Beastmaster first.
He is nearby, but the other direction.
There's actually four heroes around. Smoke's going to break, blink away, and Shadow Shaman gets out.
Shrapnel's down, doesn't land on anything, and these two supports have made their escape on the side of Extreme, breaking the smoke.
Very easily, and then escaping from any potential danger that was coming in from VG. Really well done.
He has chicken fingers, but he also has quick fingers on Shadow Shaman, then managed to
blank out immediately.
The thing is, that's no fizzles now, Xtreme have their chance.
Itchigaming their scaling is also very, very good.
It's just how small of a map you're going to have, how much farm you're going to be
able to get because this is Jarocov to Sniper Slaughter. They synergize really well.
And he's like, they're going to be able to find another one, X-XS with the blinkbagger.
And they keep that forward on the clock to go to the overgrowth, but there's not much of a response.
No response, truly.
Dusk gets used TP out, Treance, actually the one who makes the escape. So he breaks that smoke.
They immediately jump on him, but X-XS making the secondary jump. They knew with that OVS
that they could make that jump and see that they could go for Poc. He's actually the only one
the one who ends up dying in that situation.
The whole time XM is just trying to farm though.
And so is the
Gyro there too.
Going for that big red damage item, the Daedalus.
They definitely need some kind of explosive damage to be able to kill the heroes because their
damage
can look pretty static especially if Slaughter is not in vicinity and he's not been very close to
his own team multiple times and uh yeah looking at the neutral items count title count for the
0-3 cores on Vici and two on extreme gaming.
Could have a strong item. That's it's a good item.
just a cool looking item just the effect the boxing glove with a fuse on it
old school boxing glove back from the days of the old movies the black and white movies
those are the kind of gloves that they used to use to wear
Serpent Ward's used to get a tower up towards top.
These illusions pushing in, the board's there for the extra help.
And again, another one of those moments where an objective is taken without really much
of an answer from Vici.
And they now sit 10,000 net worth behind the 30 minutes end of the game.
Bill's smoke, they've got Shadowblade.
It's not easy for Vici, the answers are far fewer in between.
They would love to take a fight close to their base, so they can maybe use buybacks,
but a lot of their gold has been used up, so looking at the buyback situation,
they don't even have them, but maybe fighting on the high ground, still extreme gaming
are not giving them that opportunity, they're still not ready to go for the high ground.
Next, Roshan is going to be respawning in a minute and twenty, so they are waiting for that.
waiting for that. Now they also have three cores with Blank Daggers so they can close
the gap and find this Jirokopter and find this annoying sniper.
Yeah, Sniper's positioning, you said it earlier, he's been kind of playing in that melee range,
you wanted him to have a much easier time.
Oh, they're getting scouted.
Hirosh, the Tormenter dies quickly though.
And they all need you to take the out, Shiro's going to be the one getting the homing missile
upgrade.
It's kind of nice.
It's not a good sign when your carry gets the shard 30 minutes in from second Tormentor
Sniper did by his own Slarin does by his and
Different but I guess that's why he got it VKB the chase is on the cheer who had the Lotus on him of the same inch to run and
Have a homie missile coming back their way assassinate power shot XXS
And the Blinks are coming in and they're forced to supernova.
Serpent Ward says that's a bit of an ambitious jump from FY.
Giving up the Serpent Ward to put the Blink into the war.
They found themselves XM out of position.
The call-ups gonna come through.
They hit this shackleshot.
Ami, he ends up getting pumped for a second.
The overgrowth comes in, but they get the kill on XM.
Box there, but he's lasted it up.
Even with the BKB, it doesn't quite matter.
This is with their crush once again.
Shiro tried to do the damage,
and Lotus Orbit's gonna be through on Rami once again.
But Gusk pulling them back into the base.
Nothing to say.
He's under the tier three tower.
They're killing another to say they look over at Y. That's gonna be another one dead on the side of Vici.
The Sunray healing them up. They don't quite lose Ami who was caught for a second, but it goes the way of Vici.
Extreme once again as Vici have been completely wiped.
They were so like they need Sniper to be alive. Like he's pretty much the most of the damage besides Jaracopter and they were running out of steam.
It was a bit of a longer fight, he gets trapped inside these wards, as you said it was not
the best jump coming on from FYC, he did trap them for a second, but also forcing him to
use a good chunk of HP, and look at how tanky this Batrider and Razor are, there's Crimson
Guard, Mantastal, I think he used two Mantastals in that fight, and also just the Lotusaur,
This is something that we don't think we mentioned, XXS has insane amount of armor even with corrosive
haste on him, he's still sitting at the 20 plus armor which does allow him to sustain
through all this physical damage.
Aame didn't initially know where XM was but because he right clicked he comes out of the
shadow blade and Aame immediately turns, goes, roars and gets that control.
They have Aame in a bit of a weird position at this point, they've got him shackled to
the back but they just don't have the damage to follow it up.
Shiro too low to stand up and go for him.
Powershot doesn't get nothing to say, but overall,
Ami, he cleans up X-XS.
He knows he can jump out of the back line.
There's nobody else there except for Planet.
And they get the full wipe.
This is close for Vici,
but closely counts in horseshoes and hand grenades,
and we're not playing either of those.
They're gonna get yet another kill this time on Bach.
X-XST's completely dominating this game.
Level 24 on Batrider, 3000 HP on him, also holding on to Gems, so they aren't gonna be able to see Sniper.
17,000 net worth leader, it is very... it feels almost worse than that at any spights.
Like you said, it just doesn't feel like they're doing damage at times.
would you rather him because he's got both the link ins and the price you'd up
would you rather him shoot get the link ins or the pipe
like this is very expensive maybe he could get away with it
I mean there's a lot of things that he can block or link lasso anything from
shaman and we saw the damage numbers slaughter his damage numbers are so
low a lot of the times when this hero is off to a bad start you're only amplifying
the damage you're not actually dealing the damage yourself
one of those risks to playing sorter right if you're lean does yeah go well
And we saw his lane did not go up. Not at all. And he has been constantly picked off to the tune of 3-9 and 3.
There's a lot of deaths for your off laner. Almost adding a plus one onto that. He will go through the twin gate.
Now we're there to follow him, Hame, not going to go through the Twin Gate to Chase, but
you can see where these heroes are on the side of Extreme, they're inside the Dire Triangle
and keeping the pressure on Avicii.
There's really not much place for them to farm, and you can see Sniper, Gyro, they're
just kind of sitting in the base.
And another pair of shrines for Extreme, so you're not even getting much experience out
of the map for Vici.
The difference in experience is plus 20 levels for Extreme.
38% advantage.
That's an experience.
That's a massive number.
Minuton 40 left on the Aegis.
They're also approaching some level 25s.
Batrider just got his, so I'm sticking to bomb damage, Beastmaster also very close to it.
The primal roar cooldown, minus 25 seconds.
A couple of big items still coming out in the next minute or so.
Satanic Eraser is gonna be the big one.
I mean, that is just the clear cut example of the experience difference, right?
The highest level on Vici is 20. You've got two guys about to be 25 on Xtreme, like you're talking about.
That is so much experience for those two heroes who have picked up a lot of these later shrines too.
It's B and the AME as well as X-XS who have focused on getting these shrines.
They're putting a lot of pressure on them with these items. This is relatively early butterfly from Beastmaster.
Like you also because you're playing against three heavy physical cores and you need to start thinking all right
Who's gonna be buying MKB for now?
Nobody is it's kind of hard to slot it in there are other items that they need to buy this Lincoln sphere that XM wants to get
It's a kind of needed because if he gets an issue
No, we saw like one spell and he's gonna die
So he's positioning it needs to be really good this time around it does seem like they're gonna be going for the high ground
So it's gonna be in theory should be much easier for him to keep the distance and looking at the buyback
They don't have many available
I'm kind of curious if they go without this ages or if they're gonna hold and wait
I don't know if they're afraid of the next few minutes from BG either way
Of course there comes that point where you're a gyrocopter and comes divine rapier time
and you try to defend that way, but you need to satanic before that.
I've seen desperate gyros just go for the divine rapier and that usually ends one way,
dead and GG called.
Oh, interesting one.
He did go for a no wild axis cooldown.
i guess cuz
he's not playing with
like a refresher we are seeing good amount of fights uh...
like with shiva's guards he's more
for the right click damage
there was a time where beastmaster had zero full down his access where people
are buying bloodstone good old times
set the eternal envy mid days of uh... beastmaster
maybe slightly later
There's that Lincoln's, by the way.
Bok trying to hold both buyback and pick up his aggs.
He's still another 1,000 gold away from being able to have both the buyback and the agganum scepter.
And they find Wyatt again.
That's going to be the tree in 8th death, not as much as Bok, but still dying a lot. 0-8-7.
Hard to find proper positioning.
In a game like this where so much of your map feels like it's been taken over by extreme
And the answers just aren't available you're looking at the multiple choice. What can we do a BC or D?
And I don't think you think any of them are right, but you're hoping they can get to one of them and then make it right
Sassanate stops the shackles on it comes in but Gus is gonna keep them back to go to the lasso and find themselves XM instead
He'll have that Lotus or gets reflected, but the flamethrower pushes him right under the bird of XSS
They will firefly get this kill another same round on top of planet. Did you not have buyback on this Cybert?
He's the one who makes the high ground tough to push without him. Well, you can run right through it
He broke the Lincoln's with the four staff, grabbed him at the last so they have so many
good cap closing jewels, all cores and there it is, Divine Rapier purchased, he did disassemble
his Daedalus, it is time, but no sniper this time around, pretty much you're died, they
lose this fight, the game ends.
And PKB early on, has that load who's trying to do the damage on Abe, doing some decent
damage here for Shiro, but Abe had about half health not dying just yet now Shiro, he's
It's like dump. Another misage is able to run him down under the tier 4 towers, but he gets some help from why he gets that massive Lotus to heal him up.
So Shiro doesn't die in this situation.
They do lose one set of racks, but that's not the end of the world when you're trying to defend like this with the Divine Rapier.
Had he died with that Divine, it's GG, but by surviving, it gives them that second chance.
And for the next fight, he's gonna have Daedalus on top of his Divine, it seems.
Or is he changing his mind? Maybe think I need this for a game fight?
Need extra bit of maneuverability in a fight and he is committing with the defensive tool first. I
Mean you have pretty good
Divine rapier carriers in this game you have sniper as well
It's just can you get to that point
Snipers just not getting in
It's not that he's not getting into the position. They've disrupted his position as well
They've done a very good job of being able to jump the sniper and pull him away from the safety of his little
hide away multiple times.
And smoke on smoke, all complete blink.
Oh, no, Bach, that was an illusion!
You've been tricked, they're magicians!
They've elused you!
FY ends up dead, he's gonna buy back sure it was trapped into Serpent Ward 2.
They have the kills on him again, though they don't.
So the mine rapier is on the deck this time around.
It's not gonna be so fortunate for the side of Ichi.
And that is going to be GG called, and just like tradition states,
In the next G-Series, we go to Game 3s.
We go to Game 3s, the carry dies, immediately they drop double Gs in the old chat.
What a performance, like completely opposite in what happened in Game 1.
They had a very solid draft, XXXC, he kinda carried this game as well from the off lane.
Building into right items, these drums and Crimson's producing quite a lot of damage along them
to get these jumps, three blink daggers and all three cores, makes Snipers life miserable.
Yeah, Extreme, getting the victory, we're going to a game three, so let's throw it over to the panel.
I mean, we kind of knew it was going to go to a game three before we even woke up this morning, so there's that.
But I will say that Extreme, this game around, was way more ready for what VG Gaming was throwing their way,
especially the tempo for VG Gaming. It just wasn't there, they couldn't do it this time around then.
Yeah, I think the Razor actually had a lot of impact in this game. I was very impressed with him and
I mean, I'll make these two. I was a bit questioning how much impact he'd be able to find in this game
because I think Vici has some good responses to him. I think the gyro is really nice. The starter and the lane should be nice, but
They just kind of had a really nice advantage and they didn't really give it up. Even these fights where like this one for example
I was really worried for extreme. I thought they might have chased a bit too far
Maybe they're gonna kite it out and get a bit too low
But they they like barely get everything and I think only one hero dies in the entire fight
It's just the shaman who like blinks under the tier two for the vibes
Yeah, I mean honestly this was
Really nice from extreme like there are some of these games where you see one of the big four or two of the big four get through
Maybe minus the Tram protector these days it seems and you remember why they get banned so much
Like how oppressive they can be because I feel like xxs on Batrider
He was doing so much in this game like he was getting kills in lane
He was super farmed who's buying the utility items that his team needed so he was you know keeping his team alive in these fights
Look at this guy. That's in that's insane
And I think we were talking about it like early in the game gunner like this the Batrider in aid
It's just not okay giving him the ability to do like extra damage over time damage on his right clicks
It's just crazy because in these lanes
Specifically if you have like, you know some shadow shaman in your lane that's protecting you and stunning for you you can do
So much damage by just going
To 1-0 right you don't have to go for the firefly going for the pure like kill attempt build
Or if you're getting shit on in lane, you max firefly and just go jungle. It really feels like this hero does everything right now
And I think the he also is the town that makes it last longer
So it scales with like a pike always do you buy the pike and you do so much just casual damage with the facet
That also just applies it every single time you hit so it doesn't really go away as long as you're right-clicking
You're constantly reapplying more stickies you're constantly reapplying the resin and
And it's one of the heroes of the big four.
I think that's the most annoying players, in my opinion.
Yeah, it also puts game one in perspective where they were able to beat it.
Just how good of a Slardar pick that was, for example, in game number one.
And this time around, the Sniper versus Razor didn't do as much as they wanted it to.
There's one point in the game, Jenkins, that you wanted to look at again,
close to the second experiencer.
Yeah, it was just kind of a snowballing point for Xtreme, where I was really surprised with Shiro TP'ing in here, immediately gets Ward Trap and Hex, and he's doing pretty good damage, but it sets up for X-Novey to hit this beautiful egg.
And then XM, it's like, when you see a sniper out of position like this, I love that he just turns and fights, because like, you know he's screwed there, you know?
But I also understand why he committed there,
because it's like, you're carrying it.
Like, you gotta go at that point.
You gotta just trust and have faith there.
But everyone on Xtreme was there.
They were in formation to take the fight.
Like, the supports were in the back,
the tanky heroes were in the front.
And I don't know, it seemed like a very good play
from Xtreme, but also a little bit of a blunder
from Vici fighting into the triangle there, like that.
Hopefully they can think of this game as a whole, as that,
and can go for a clean slate for the next game
because there is one more game coming,
game number three after a break.
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Who's in who is out that is the question that will be answered with one game of Dota 2 extreme gaming
Vici gaming head-to-head scores tied.
That's why we're here for this third game.
Jenkins is going to tell it to me straight
who's going to take this one and why.
I can tell you who I hope takes it.
Who do you?
Well, no, I know that because you just want to talk to Faith Beance.
Oh, yeah, that's true.
But that is true.
I didn't think about that when I said that, actually,
but that's definitely true.
Was that the right team?
That was the right team.
I just, I think that Vici has a very different take on the meta
than any other team in the tournament,
other than maybe like heroic. They're so they're very interesting to watch. When they do beat
them at a picks, they like dismantle it very quickly and strongly. So I feel like there's a
lot of potential for them. You know, on the flip side, extreme gaming is second place TI team. So
of course, they're likely to make it far into the tournament. Well, very well. Yes, but second
place TI team, yes on one side, but second place TI winner, oh TI also team, sorry, finalist,
on the mid player, sorry, is on a feature gaming, so they got both.
Yeah, that's great.
Wow, that was a really difficult one.
There's also TI winner, there's also Omega 2nd place.
Oh, it's so easy.
It's TI winners.
It's so easy.
These are pretty good players.
It's a history.
These are guys out there.
Yeah, when it comes to being good at Dota.
Wait a second. What would win? Three times second place. How many times did nothing to say?
Twice. And XSS was definitely twice. Fy was also twice? Without GD? Three times? No,
you didn't do three. I made the only one with three. And then Xnova I think also two. And then on
And on the other side, you do have two TI winners and a second place, Shiro and Planet
did not play.
And then you got Planet playing the pause four faces.
Hell yeah.
I don't know who would win from that, this is the fact, this is the stack 10 players
on the deck, that's for sure.
Alright, let's see, then we got Beastmaster coming out super early for Vici gaming this
time around, so that changed.
We did have First Big go in the way of Vici gaming, so that also changed.
No it didn't.
The...
Yes, I'm stupid.
was first pick going the way of Extreme? So we still have overall last pick for Vici.
This, the Beastmaster that I've seen for Vici hasn't been super successful, but a lot of
the games I was looking at it, they were picking it on first pick. There's a lot of times they
were first pick and it was that 14-15 slot, which I think was kind of iffy. I think if
they draft us in a way that it's a flex between carry and mid, and they pick their offline
somewhere probably at 16-17, like on this out of the phase 13, you just pick a really
strong support that's in the pool. Some Phoenix, Warlock. I'll probably the two
that come to mind. I don't know if there's like another, probably just Phoenix or
Warlock. They're gonna get one of the two if they choose. And then on 1670,
Shaman, I think is also good. And then 1670, you just pick your off lane duo. And I think
that's how they do it. I just don't like how they were doing on 1415 and I hope
that they change their stats on the hero. For sure. I like it here, honestly.
and it looks really good against tree as well because beast is a very comfortable
manta buyer you already kind of wanted to proc
your agonum scepter to have more more drums charges uh so manta bkb buyer against tree you
always want two dispels for the overgrowth and also you can run to the trees lane at the start
of the game and axe down the the trees which is very nice as well no matter who's leaning against
tree piece will probably go through that. You know what's cool though with the Beastmaster already
there and obviously it's being flexed. Extreme gaming still ban out the Timbersaw which would
definitely be an offline and also the Slardar which is obviously a flex. So still keeping that
respect there for the for the offlaner. Yeah I mean I guess Bach has just really been prioritizing
the Timber even when it doesn't look like the best game for it and he has had some pretty good
good pop-offs. It's also really good against trees. Yes, cut the trees and he's a big tanky
strength guy who's standing in the trees, so you're getting the extra damage. It's like one of the
heroes you don't have to go cut the trees against because you actually prefer if he's standing in
the trees. I think for Extreme, I'm already planning for the 18 pick. The Gyro last scheme didn't look
super successful but it's the same heroes on the other side and I do think gyro is good versus
two heroes unfortunately a lot of the phoenix counterpicks are not really meta right now like
likes to their rarely gets picked juggernaut really gets picked jacquero's banned every game
and snapfire is also pretty underpicked a lot of these like heroes that deal with the egg are just
not that popular which is why i think the hero uh stocks are so high oh okay that is i actually
you really like this pick here because of the Vici concept, which is what I said
earlier, I think this Beastmaster should be flexed to the last pick. And now you're
basically saying, hey, if you want to flex it, you can't pick your mid until 24. So
it kind of puts them in this awkward position where now they have to flex the
Beastmaster between carrying off lane and it makes XM knock at this overall last
pick. That's what it's forcing out, which I think is really cool. And with extra
players, Vici gaming, in both games thus far, they made sure that the Ember Spirit was banned
at this point of the game already, so they were aware that this could happen, so you
think maybe they have a plan against it, but at the same time, this is something that even
Vici knows, this is scary for them.
There is something truly hilarious about picking a hero that has so many counters in lane.
Just, okay, so there's the counter, and just saying, okay, counter it, so that way you
You don't get over all the last things.
I think so.
Don't you?
Against Ember?
I mean, I feel like for XM, he said in an interview, like, if you give me SF, like, I will beat
you with SF until you ban it.
So I feel like he just has the confidence that if you're putting him into this scenario,
like, he will do it.
He will take his best hero at countering Ember mid and just counter you with it.
Yeah.
It only is one win on mid, which is of course BZM, when he also played together with an
There was against Medusa, so obviously he played it well, but there was also other circumstances.
I really like Sharifi mid this patch. I think in this game, he should go griefs.
Oh yeah, Treant Ember. Oh my god.
Yeah, it's a very good griefs. That's a game we saw. That's a BZM built as well in his win.
It just is like his really early game timing. It's this funny thing that the item got
cost a lot to be cheap, and you think like, oh, it costs, I think, about 4,000 gold.
that feels like a very expensive item. When you factor in that you're always going to buy treads,
which is the same amount of gold as the arcane boots, you can kind of like remove that from the
greaves. And so by the time, say, if you're skipping it for the Kai Yasha, which is like the
standard build, you'd have like treads Yasha. Yeah. About the same time as having treads Yasha,
you'd have a full greaves. It's like such a difference in power spike at that timing
that I think these teams can abuse. I think it's such a good item in this game.
Well, they keep the flex open. How would Tiny do against Ember?
Terrible. It's actually...
Every time I have this matchup in a pub and I'm the Ember, I'm like, if I lose this game, I'm bad.
I honestly feel like VG can just throw the beast off lane. I know we say it's like his worst role, but in this game...
The SF mid is also... I don't think you want to run SF carry necessarily against Kes.
against Kess. Like Kess is the melee guy, gets on top of you, can DPS you down before
you can you know get your stuff off. I feel like Shiro being like Moirata or Windranger
would look really good here.
I agree but there's some really good offlaners. I was going to say Tide, it just got banned
but imagine like a Tide.
Oh Tide would have been good, yeah that's right.
I don't know, I think getting some Dispel, Hero, the other direction I could see is like
an Abba for carry or offlane. There was actually when Kess first got into Cap of the Sword
and it was getting picked. People were picking Abba offlane because you had purged the stacks
of like the Kazura Katana, as I believe the name of this spell, and you just have, it's
just annoying for him to deal with your hero. So something like that could also be good.
And I also imagine that it was, when he first got out of the captain, was Axe not picked
against him a couple times?
He was.
And Legion commander. The blade mail duals like an insta kill on Kaz and you can also purge
the...
hero that having this like forced blade mail he just always will kill himself in
the middle of the fight. But yeah yeah because for Bach I mean he he wants the
eye on Axe right that was the final game that he played that so you know
definitely would be on his radar I would think maybe maybe it's not very
popular heroes he's just go for something more stable. It does feel like Axe blinks
in you know the dust is taunt and that just instantly dies. Yeah there's a chance
It's really hard for him to reset and in this meta it's people are good at not getting
bursted because all the heroes are burst heroes, probably the reason it fell off.
So yeah, having an offlaner that's also a burst hero just doesn't feel so good, which
is also probably why Legion is not a thing.
Enigma would have been really good.
It's like a box specialty.
I'm trying to think of what this offlaner pick is for Extreme.
It's a bit hard for me.
You can always go with the default tanky hero, like Centaur, Underlord, that kind of thing.
But they don't give off amazing vibes, especially assuming that there's Beasties Carrier, which
I think they should.
The heroes that got banned were good, like Primal Beast or Broomaster, I think would have been
both amazing.
And even for the side of Vici, I think this Tidehunter ban is so good, that would have
been such a nice pick to round out their draft.
last two picks I generally think are pretty hard. Yeah. Um, and I'm pretty, I'm just curious
to see what they're going to do because so many years have been like timber also timber
sardar and mars were all banned early and the bad writer. It's like so many off liners are
out of the pool. It's hard to come up with something. Yeah. I mean, Santar is really
the only one I guess under lord is also yeah. Those are like the two that I can think of
Bristle I always forget about bristle sure it gets picked a lot and I always forget about it as this like tinky off-laner because it doesn't have a stun
Yeah
But it has looked very good in all the games. It's picked yeah
It has and I mean this is this is like one of those cases where you really enjoy having a silver edge
Hero which I think Beast carry can pretty comfortably get a silver edge
It's not as good as like Muerta or these range carries like SF, but I think it's still not bad
It's not like getting a silver edge on like windrunner
Which just feels really bad to do like beasts already kind of wanted to get it. So I think you're fine running Beast carry
So for offline now, let's think about for offline countering bristle
I think our carry countering bristle, I mean, I think that the ABBA looks really good to me
I the carrier offline. I would say it's definitely much more popular as a carry right now
But I know the past is good. Kez is an offlaner
um viper can you not do site person viper is in the pool wow but can you not put put like the
beast master off and then pick something like ursa and then that should still do well why is that
no could i just think that the beast carry pairs so well with the shadow thing mid okay dark seer
okay off later if it didn't happen on our radar that was not in our or off later he probably was
He's going to skip Greaves and go for a Lotus, I would assume, and let the Shadowfiend
go Greaves, but he could also just go Greaves until the SF, to just go with the Kaiyasha.
It's a Shadowfiend safe lane.
I like that a bit less.
I think the Beastmaster mid can struggle a bit more versus the Ember, but...
It seems a bit like XM is just the Beast player and Shiro is not.
That's my read on this, because I agree with you that I think the Beast carry actually
looks better here but maybe they want to dodge also like the bristle and lane i know people
pick bristle against beast but i don't think there's much that actually beats a beast master
safe lane and lane like i don't think this would beat it it would just farm fine what do you think
is happiest with their draft i don't know i because because of the way you guys were talking about
it nice you know the both of them kind of got pushed in the corner i think everyone kind of
of got what they want maybe outside of these offline last picks but in as a whole both drafts are pretty
Clean at what they do like they did get heroes that fill the roles that they want for this offline
Yeah, they did which is really hard to do when literally every good off so many off. Yes
And like centaur was the only one left and then we looked at centaur's win rate earlier today
It's like 33 percent. So people are clearly falling off the centaur card a little bit literally
It's literally I mean if you have my opinion, I think it's pretty obvious. I have to go to Veechee. Why they don't have Kes
Oh, yeah
But Kes was one of the heroes that had super low win rate as well. Yeah, I mean it but it's all made kes
He goes battle fury. Nobody else does that
I think that's pretty common. He has also lost a couple times. I think he's lost every game because
That's well, that's a very all-mei thing to do. Oh, he has lost every game
Yeah, well that's not very good all right. So why is this game? I'm his test game
Why is he gonna? You know defeat the odds Jenkins? Is this a good test game? What makes it a test game?
I don't know. Jesus. I don't even know what I told her. I'm not sure. I don't think that exists
I think it's quite a tough cast game actually. I don't think I think there's a bikini piercing stun
I think that's an anti-kessler. Yeah, that that is true. How does the darts here illusion do versus Kaz you get the
I don't think you got that. No, actually, I think you do. Do you? I believe so. Oh, that's bonkers
Then if that actually I believe because the mentors I think apply pass it will go back stage and ask waga mama
Well, you can do that while we watch the conclusion of this series Vici gaming extreme gaming with the couple of costs
Thank you very much. One of these teams are going home one of these teams move on
But China will be represented in some fashion in the playoffs might be extreme. It might be Vici
Maybe it's a coin flip just like the Kez games for Amé because he's played 14 games of the
Zero, 7 wins, 7 losses lifetime.
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.
Yeah, sometimes it's blue, sometimes it's red, depending on the switch discipline stands.
And we'll have to see.
I mean, this Zero is very difficult to read in a lot of these engagements.
And we'll have to see, like, on paper, you're playing into Beastmaster, you don't like to
play into Roar, if you play into Tiny, into Shadowfiend, there isn't that much control,
but if they're learning the stuff, there isn't also that one big saving tool on Extreme Gaming,
so they can't really save him other than Living Armor, but it also allows you to dominate
the laning stage.
I think the laning stage is going to be good, you're playing with Tree and Protector, so
the lane should be fine, like D'Arceir usually tends to pressure a lot, he's playing with
at the melee position for Tiny, but if you misplay like once, oh, sure, oh, it's got
two fairy fires, but if you want to use them, we'll even use them.
Fy, get in first blood, three heroes come down here to get the kill on the Shadow Fiend.
That's not the way you want to be starting it for Vici, and I will say, game one was
sort of a beatdown for them since that point, it looked great.
I'm really surprised that they decided to go with the same safe lane that extreme gaming did have in that game number one
it was Shadowfiend and Warlock and then
They're like you know what?
We are gonna take that lane for ourselves
Because they didn't do so good
And we're gonna try to make it better somehow and the problem with this lane is it's like a strong lane
But you don't have any ways of setting up your razes
enemy team can pull, you can't really do much about it.
Would you rather the Beastmaster, they were talking about this on the panel, would you rather Beastmaster safely, and as such, how do you?
Yeah, and Beastmaster gets it.
I'm fine with Beastmaster mid, I think both of them would be like winning their lanes.
I've been very impressed by Beastmasters in general, I feel like this hero just gives you everything, it gives you good scaling,
scaling whether you're playing it from the mid or safe lane, but from the mid lane you
come online so quickly. You can also like send the boars to your bottom lane. This is something
that these masters have been doing from time to time to be able to get that extra bit of
a slow, maybe grab the kill if the lane you're playing into doesn't require you to use the
second four, but it's going to be good amount of harassment coming onto the inverse period.
And you'll see some downsides of this lane where you don't have any ways of slowing them
down or just controlling them, certainly because that is a bit of a slow, but not really the most
reliable one. And no Icarus dive to get away from that, that means they're going to kill pretty
easily and extreme already at 1000 net worth lead, they're off to the races and uh well,
flat to see if Vici have much of a response. One of the biggest flaws in their game the last one
was the fact that Bach just wasn't able to have a lane. Here is Darkseer, he should have an easier
time then Swardar does have a way to kind of farm back in if it doesn't go so well
whereas Swardar didn't. He's not going to be winning this lane by any means but
at least he has a tool to go into the triangle, start to get some stacks going
even for himself and toss back into the tower. Yeah, Avalanche also following it up.
They vacuum back onto the tower but he'll parry to freedom. I may not quite
get a die there but planning you can see the idea that he wants to toss him back
to Bok. The so-called back Bok, it's the good combo. Once you get to level 3, the two points
in Ion Shell, they could potentially try to go for it again. Planet does have a lot of
mana to work with. He has three mangoes in the top lane. You need to have either Claridius
running, especially if you commit with the combo. It's 200 mana, you don't get the kill,
need to be able to reset. See if they try for it again because they are pretty much pushing
this lane far forward. We are looking down bottom, FYXXS. They are feeling stable. All
three cores on the side of Xtreme are already topping that CS chart. So these lanes are going
well. It's a good start for them overall. And Shiro struggled from the beginning giving
up that first blood he is still yet to kind of find his footing but I don't
really expect unless FY kind of gets caught out of position and there's no
plus one that they die in this lane on extreme even such they might just get a
kill onto Y you don't chase him all the way through he's able to
Icarus dive with the sliver of health but that's the kind of damage that they
can get done with a couple of quills that bushwhack landing and just having
that extra bit of damage there from Fy the Acorn shot.
So Lee's Shiro kind of, I would say maybe a little bit vulnerable if you're not able to have the Phoenix nearby.
I could also see maybe Ex-Noa making a Twin Gate rotation.
If the lane is pushed in, if Ame is in a good spot to maybe plant it, they see planet where he is.
He's going for the six minute rune and then they could potentially try to backstab this Shadowfiend.
Because Chenefin naturally pushes the lane with his aura, allows you to get that backstab with the Twin Gate rotation.
I'm thinking towards the 6 minute mark that's coming up in a minute or so. I assume that, truthfully, you'll have Tiny go over mid.
Hoodwinks, one of those heroes that makes the rotation too, but does Planet need to come back to the offlane?
Can he start to roam around a little bit more as Darkseer should be able to get probably the equivalent without him?
If Ever Spirit is full HP, you are not going to be able to get the kill,
especially post level 6, and he's going to get level 6 after this creep wave.
So not an easy task for him by any means. He is stacking some in the triangle,
making sure that he's going to be getting XP from that, and the buck is going to be getting extra farm.
chains and a little bit of a slight working with this flameguard, XM out half health,
but he's the one doing well. Why? Finally dying again here as they've tried for it one more time.
XXS finally made the rotation, the rays connects and Shiro finally puts Vici on the board by
getting a kill out of the bristleback. They'll move over towards mid, but XM will be at the
top rune, nothing to say, he's gonna try and ram him forward and pick up a haste and that's
what he grabs, XM's in trouble now with the help of Xnova throws the roar out in desperation
but it still doesn't save his life.
That roar would not save him anyway, he did pick up the haste rune, not sure if he saw
him getting the haste there.
Xnova trying to backstab, no mana on Darksword, just got mana for Surge.
If they need some help, go for this 7 minute try, they still have 30 seconds.
There is time to rotate, but there will be 3 heroes here, and Shiro's kind of by himself
in the bottom lane, so he's not going to be stealing that one alone.
This could end up being both shrines for Xtreme, and that's something that they dominated in
game number 2.
Team got really better at getting these XP shrines from the enemy team, playing with the
catapults and also like killing the tower at 7 minutes.
And also they have Bristleback, X-XS, he can't really be invaded easily, it's also Shadowfinn, nothing to say, coming in with the haste, I think they need to let this one go.
And not getting the other one, Bok moves over, hits with the bushwack from Ampli, toss back to save him, side of fist, not gonna get that damage, but this is where it began.
It's these shrines that started to stack up and make the experience difference massively felt for Extreme, just like the last game.
This is tough to deal with.
Thoughtsbox saves him there, but not sure if that's going to be saving the power.
We'll find that Snowba.
He finds an opening. Okay, plant it.
Bok getting that one.
So Vici Bok on the board as they've got themselves too.
And Shiro just going to continue to farm bot.
He should just be sitting here stationary. What if he wanted to get spritzled? He's not too upset about that.
As long as the rotations don't come in. But now, why? He's spotted once more and he's dead for the third time already this game.
Look over to pull this in to a nature's grasp and steal these stacks.
stacks planet he's over here but there's not much that he can do to try and save them it's a three-man avalanche
Moves over to dive in the neutral creeps well done by planet
To big creeps still there big ancient creeps can they finish them off nothing to say has another round of spells
So they're gonna stick around while army is gonna finish off the tower
stacking
like any kind of
Barriers on the ember spirit always feels really good
Having Flameguard as well, you're gonna have Living Armor on top of that, so him going in, there's no Nullifier, maybe later down the line, there's gonna be some, like, Eul's Scepter on Tiny as the second item, but this is like 25-30 minutes we're talking about.
So, nothing to say, should have a good game, and almost about to finish off Spirit Vessel, which means that there's not gonna be as much healing, this is the damage item as well.
Beastmaster going for aggs kind of reducing that one. I also want to see what Bak is going to be going for
Fanel did have a little bit have a little bit of discussion about
Maybe Shadowfinn going mid buying Guardian Greaves carry Beastmaster and then Darkseer can go for something different
He can buy a different aura, but they opted to go for a different route
Sheer out
Thinking about the Requiem, Exnova, Icarus dive and a toss
Sheer gonna get the kill on that one
Helm for Darkseer, Agz, and then Mantis, so not exactly the Guardian Greaves on anybody yet, if it's going to be that way at all, and I don't see others for queuing it up either.
For Vici.
Definitely a different route.
Do you like the route and the idea of Helm of the Dominator for Darkseer and...
Yeah, it's our main item.
You need to be able to farm. You can always, like, ghost push the lanes, use it on a creep. It kills it pretty quickly.
Yep, most likely it is gonna be Guardian Greaves after that, because I feel like they need it, it's also a very good item against Overgrowth, Amplified Damage, 4 Ember Sprits, not gonna say they're gonna smoke up, they wanna utilize this knowing that right now,
Vichy Gaming, they don't have much to punch back with.
Unless it's 4 heroes in the area, but smoke gets broken, remnant back, not even get a community more, actually just fails to the middle lane.
Anything they try to slow down XM's farm, who wants this axe, and that's when you're
really packing a punch for Beastmaster, TP out, Shiro, well, aware of the dangers coming
his way.
I was able to back off and get away from arms.
Wait!
And so, now he's by the two or two tower, and it's just anything he can do to kind of
avoid those earlier deaths will help his team kind of stick in the game.
But Ami's having free farm and that's a dangerous stall when he's getting close to the battle
period, right?
It is.
I'm more worried about Bristleback, he's getting quite a lot of farm, I'm am.
Oh, he gets the jump, he gets the grappling claw.
Grappling claw to get away, XM not able to get the roar off.
Why are you more scared of the brisk?
He's having a good time. He brings in this pipe in the next minute and a half, two minutes, depending how much farm he's going to be getting.
You have Ember Spirit, you have Living Armor. It's going to be a bit too much tankiness to go through, and most of the damage that you have is magical.
So the fights are going to be with this pipe relatively easy for extreme gaming.
And also something that Deasmaster wants to do, he wants to be able to get Agatom Scepter, maybe get a good fight, and then turn that into Roche, but with Bristleback being the front line, you can't just burst this hero from 100 to 0, it's not gonna be possible.
Then Bushwack, Bushwack on two sharp shooter, eaten by the Tiny.
Nobody dying, no harm, no foul.
foul and all stays the same. So we've kind of slowed down into this farming game almost
by result of failed ganks and failed engagements. Which is good for Aume and his Kez. He has
not really been touched and fortunate enough to grappling Kwa away from the one gank that
came his way. I think with that, each year you're kind of content. They'll sit back,
they'll farm, they want to look for these first few items if they can. It's gonna be
a raptor dance from on my top, but this is really not much of anything initially. XM's
still looking, and they even think about going for Ami, but he just is very elusive when you
don't have that initial lockdown. They need these masters, they need Tiny. It should be okay
throughout the game if you're the one getting roared but in terms of control
they don't really have much it's pretty much roar and spells from tiny and if
one of them are gonna be dying I think overall it looks pretty good for Kes
and something to point out is carriers have been like very on point picking up
these lotuses so 12 minutes in you have great healing lotus to be the
difference between you having an excellent start, yeah, and just an okay one.
You survive that gap.
Avalanche doesn't connect, nothing to say, able to remnin' out.
Battle Fury then finished for Amé, and now a remnin' forward, thinking about going for
Shiro, but don't quite get the catch.
FY was there maybe a bushwhacker, a side of a searing chains, could have been the initiator
on that.
Still trying to buy some time, because they want this axe and they're not too far away
from it on the B semester that's that big impact and damage numbers for him and
maybe they could start to fight and turn around and drum to the beat over their
own game
but you could see XG they've been sitting in this river this area for quite
some time and they toss try to get the follow-up stun from the boxed tar but
that combo doesn't quite find success so this tier one tower will be down to just
About 15% left 10% and they should be able to take it Vici again
They kind of want to poke that kind of want to look for the perfect opening
But a full commitment against this side of extreme is not advised for them
And they just back off let the tower go and continue to farm elsewhere. They're avoiding its G in these five up fives
They know that they're strong right now. They can't really be taking the fight and this is pretty pipe
He's about to finish off that pipe and he's another 300 gold for the cloak
which is going to make things even much more difficult.
It's not the best Roche taking lineup on extreme gaming,
but if they win a fight, if they don't lose
like too many members, they can turn that into Roche.
Early Roche, early Aegis is always quite nice. These lineups that benefit from it,
these Ursa's, these Swartar lineups, anything that can get their hands on that early
Aegis, really just trying to secure an early big game.
Once feels good.
As you see Planet just trying to get some farm off in the middle lane and so is FY gathering these levels.
Didn't talk about the fact that Bok was able to get a shrine, so they get their hands on at least the one earlier.
Something that is kind of in the storyline since game number two, but the way Extreme have controlled the map.
the map and honestly they have been putting the pressure around the map on for the last
couple minutes or so. They've backed off towards their own side of the map now but overall they've
been putting the pressure on these Vici heroes and doing so they've reached out a little bit
further and they end up getting caught so they will lose Y and it looks like planets next.
There's nowhere for him to really run and eventually the damage will be there and he's dead
on the side of Ichi. So two heroes gone as extreme continue to just kind of play their pace.
I'm still looking for an opportunity to start a fight. Tiny, very close away from his blinktagger,
Beastmaster. Also, he's pretty much the same amount of gold. We'll get it faster than Tiny.
But you can't find any openings knowing that they're fighting into Living Armor, they're fighting into fight.
Tanki heroes are not easily killed and yep maybe for the next fight they're gonna be also able to
have the greater healing lotus. Like I see Amei having great healing lotus,
one normal healing lotus and there's also one available on the side.
The way to beat the burst or beat the lockdown from Vici if you can get that off and that combined
with the 19-1 charges plus the raptor dance it really makes the difference how the fight is
going to be played out. X Nova with the deep ward skirts by shiro immediately teepees out and just
more of this deep vision more of this information for the side of extreme they're not making any
overzealous plays they're not pushing the boundaries just yet they don't have to but yeah
they don't have to they're in such a good spot in this game you know it's not this massive
of net worth we'd early on in the game but it's all the tools just necessary to
set the foundations up for a victory. Now maybe that's one of those items that
can help Vici kind of claw their way back and chisel away at this foundation
that extremely set and that's that blink dagger so there's that greater healing
lotus 900 health in mana early on that's basically second life if he gets it
That's 900 and his magic wand is full. So that's extra 300 400 HP. That's basically his whole hero pool
That's a hero pool. I mean HP
Not the way you want to use that blank the first time around defensively walking into four heroes on the side of extreme
Who again are continuing the posture on your side of the map?
This has to be like the fastest greater healing lotus
I wonder if we could get a timing on that.
And now they're in honor of it, but it gets scanned.
Vici, it would be a competitive fight at this point in the game.
I wonder if they're going to feel the need to go for it.
With the smoke, they are moving that way.
They've already bailed on Xtreme.
They do the most damage honor of Rosh.
They won't seem inside the pit.
They send this hellbear, smash her over, but Xtreme may be waiting to catch Vici, doing
a little detective work and caught with their heads down to it.
Dired?
They aren't going to be using the scan and it does connect.
X-XS, this is not the target that you want to go for.
You need to...
Well, I'm finding Avalanche, Toss, Roar, Committed, a lot Committed onto this Bristleback.
He's not even half health.
They don't even care.
The wall, the overgrowth, it gets used directly to push him back, but they're using so much, it gets so little.
Bot gets caught, Searing Chains are there, now a supernova committed to this one.
Pacumata 3, Bot gets back towards the egg, that'll explode and stun up the kez.
Inkris died, but Fox still in trouble, the grappling claw on top of him,
and Ame won't be able to chase down this dart seer,
but it's so many spells used in such different spots around the fight,
where Vici finds zero success, they lose tiny, and it's a fight that just does not go their way.
Whoa, man, I don't know what they're thinking. This bristle he doesn't die. I guess
Ex-excess, he's in a good position. So they
See a hero they go for the avalanche toss back play. They wanted to go like with the big
Big one more combo straight up to the Requiem
But I don't think he dies even if you get him on top of the Requiem with the Sunray
He's just that tanky
And go up for the second aura as well. This is something that we did talk about yesterday on bristleback
sometimes it does feel like it can't be really good but a lot of the time you
don't see bristleback players going for it because you also want to be getting
some scaling so instead you get like a lot of sword or you get kaiosan
I mean S&Y it's been a it's been a rough night I've been
mispronouncing a couple of words here and there but not sure what happened
During the night, maybe you have a better I
Got I got smacked for 23 damage. That's what happened
Yeah, that one one game
Let's play one more game before we go to bed one more and we ended up playing until almost 230
But back to the game back to this a better game
Let's see how they're gonna be able to
Potentially make a comeback that right now extreme gaming. They're not again rushing anything
They could try to force another Roche fight because they definitely do have the damage.
Kez, MantaStyle now completed as well, so doesn't have to care about some of the, like, annoying stuff.
He always has that dodge. Very good against Primal B, Primal...
But, I mean, Beastmaster, who can jump in and try to roar him.
Already down to half HP. Thanks, Noah, in a good spot. He's got things out.
Has the eyes of the forest too.
Double sentry as well.
Just can't get their hands on his Aegis.
For the side of Ichi, can't defend or try to contest it at all.
And another objective for Extreme that just is completely one-sided.
Pondet's finally got this Blink Dagger, but again, eyes at the forest, maybe seeing him
over by this Twin Gate.
They've got multiple heroes trying to split the lane and potentially catch him walking
back.
Ob Sentry Combo.
So they might get the information, Pondet needs to be careful, and he'll blink further
back towards XM who maybe has a response, but the sentry placed down by Exnova, he'll
move forward trying to feel confident with this.
Flies right behind him and so is some of the team.
As extreme, just the pressure felt from Vici is enough to back them off the area.
Sharp Shooter missing, Blink away, almost blinks back into where the Sharp Shooter was
going.
And you're kind of waiting on the answers here for me, G.
Right now, Extreme are just kind of seeing the checkered flag. They're continuing to go.
Around and around they go through the map, like the Daytona 500 is, they're just keeping it on the gas.
Not the most tower damage on their side, it needs to be Bristleback hitting the tower,
Kassus' wall.
So it's a bit on the slower side.
They would definitely love to take that fight.
This is a big damage increase.
Once you go to this butterfly territory, even Eagle's song on Kassus, it feels so good.
You also have the fire and shell.
Every single time I see it, they always have alert, no matter what.
Alert, QT.
He's ending up dead, Shiro's got the damage this time to get the Bristleback.
It took a long time, but with Kez not in the area, they're not re-engaging on that.
It's funny that they dealt 2.6k damage to him and he dealt 4.5k just by being there, being Bristleback.
Just getting right clicked.
Does that look balanced?
Bristleback has been kind of forgotten hero, I would say.
I keep forgetting about the hero being the off-layer, the tanky off-layer, but he does
the job.
I've got to always impress how much he's able to do.
You try to focus him down.
At least the good thing for them is they have a Silver Edge buyer.
And we can see some of the stats right now.
Radiant wins sitting at 33% overall, sub 50, okay.
Maybe I was watching the games where Bristleback was winning.
Haha
Jesus, I'm gonna say supernova that's committed
And go try and kill this egg they finally will it's all like snow at that one hit if he was able to get in
Now with the gym
That's pretty massive they have eyes in the forest they have Jim
I'm gonna be removing a lot of vision and being able to secure their own vision
Exempt blink good spot to go to bushwack misses
That was close but
I've already made the statement close and hit where she's an anger needs and all that stuff
Only matters there
Try not to repeat myself anymore
They will have another minute on this Aegis.
This NetWeep lead hasn't quite extended.
I've been talking about the foundations being made for Extreme, but what needs to happen
for Extreme to really just burst the gates over?
They need to find an opening.
Habel Edge.
Monet, Tossed, not on the right target, and he's going to get chased but not killed.
He ends up surviving.
They also have very limited amount of stuns.
We have Ember Spirit, which can set things up, unreliable pushback, as we've seen, it doesn't connect in the top.
So, down to 2k gold lead.
Amé, shield rune active, Aegis running out to 35. So far, Feature Gaming did a very good job dodging some of these fights.
Getting a kill here and there. Make sure that they are getting the most out of it.
Ember Spirit, he's in. James, this time it does connect.
Darkseer he's gonna be here with the sharp shooter X double gets to kill with the nature's grass that was on the ground
Meanwhile, I'm a X success. They're taking the tier two tower mid
I mean he's got this shield root. He's got this ages. He still has that greater healing Lotus. I
Don't think Ami is really
Afraid
No, especially because he was not involved in a single kill. He's sitting at zero zero and zero
I just hope we don't see him die and
The same game, the game number one what happened and he calls Gigi.
Oh, 1-0, what a kill score, calling Gigi.
Don't want to ruin it further, let's close this one out.
Stop padding as we call it in other sports, making sure his KD-8 doesn't take a big tumble.
Or me and my pups die once, I call Gigi all chat.
Doesn't do anything.
Doesn't do anything, I get asked why I'm still defending.
Why am I still shooting up to lane?
Oh, like, if you're saying end and then you continue to play, that's no good.
Like, you can't try to fake them.
Like, it's not a good look.
Ex-Nilba, Rord, and the Sunray on him, even committing the supernova,
but now he's going in trying to pop the egg.
He's going to have it with the Requiem lands and then he's going to get the kill to Ami.
But it's dead. They still want more.
Or do they? X-XS is quite tanky, but I'll be trying to just be a little bit too cute.
Yeah, he got feared away, so wasn't able to use that Lotus.
Yeah, a bit. Overzeal is going in there.
I feel like he kind of needs his Bristleback to be the frontline, try to bait some of the spells,
And then he can go in at least pre-BKB immediately now
Starts purchasing components of the BKB
You'll see Amme jump in and
X success nearby with the seam red facet, but Amme switches over to the sides. He's seeing blue and
The sharpshooter lands planet why they both died at the supports, but losing Amme there is just
It really makes this game feel a bit less sure for Xtreme.
Definitely not necessary, and let's see the win probability still heavily favoring Xtreme
gaming 66%.
As long as you don't see how many big war moves like that should be that way.
Beastmaster, he's standing tall and gets to kill an ex-Nova.
Hame's in again, but Hame's low once more.
He's trying to parry, he's trying to survive,
he goes into the raptor dance, that's him running.
And they get the kill out of the Beastmaster.
It looks like Lee Echo Slash will do the damage
and get the kill there.
It's a trade for his support.
Planet gets up onto the high ground,
maybe even thinking about turning with Shiro,
who is waiting in the trees,
but blinks away as the Bushwack flew out.
Now he doesn't even care about the greater healing load
as he threw it into the backpack.
As long as they survive this initial burst of the damage with Beastmaster Roar, potentially Requiem,
I feel like Extreme Gaming wins the fight.
When Kiz can go in, get his spells off, it's definitely a different story compared to him
jumping in and dying from 100 to 0. He wants their BKBs' Mantis Styles to be used, so then
he can go in, and you can see a few Mantis Styles making sure that you have a Dispel Mechanic,
You're playing against Rune Protector, you're playing against Ember, you kind of need something to get rid of the annoying spells and the Darkseer also.
Getting an item for himself, load a sword.
I just think X-Rex-S needs to provide vision in a fight to bait a couple of spells, which will allow Amei to have a better entry to the fight.
What I like is this potential itemization for the Phoenix.
We've seen Phoenixes get a good amount of farm. He's not as farmed as, let's say, the hoodwink currently.
But, hoodwink did just get that shard, and why, as we've seen Phoenixes do, farms relatively well, and was, initially, looking for that hex, but...
Switches off of it, so now I'm a little bit more dismalative.
Because I like the hex idea, but it will be Bach instead who cues it up.
They had the talk. Phoenix is gonna get the items. Does have Kaviti enchantment. Continues to farm up.
Chiro having to be careful.
He's down to half health. Off what Hoodwink was able to accomplish.
Rosh back up in five seconds. And extreme kinda... again, having all the priority in this area of the map.
positioning is there the vision is around with the eyes of the forest
they're still holding on to that gem so they just have the more effective vision
in the game and it makes things more difficult for me to really find their
opening but Amé, Requiem, lies out, do they have the damage? Sunray he kind of gets away
grappling hook and the Ravens fail he gets in viz and that Requiem doesn't do
anything to get the kill and they're gonna go for Roach I also think he needs
to swap this rate then you have a greater healing Lotus it's a 900 HP
well he is switching the rate then we're ages yeah nine-slotted right now we'll
give banner to FY he's just trying to change the statistics of greater
healing Lotus. He's going to bring it to the end of the game, pass the finish line, and
give that item 100% win rate. They could be prepping for Block of Cheese early, minute
one, or minute three technically, prep start for Block of Cheese. They would kind of need
some other Lotuses to have been gathered, which they haven't quite done, and held on
onto.
Now, where Thlee jumps from 3k to 9k, Vici trying to put the tools together to really
answer back.
This is going to start with an Avalanche, toss back into the roar, they look for the
damage, you get the kill here on X, XS they got the bristle, vacuum out of three, there
was an overgrowth thrown out, XO was in trouble, they'll get themselves a second, and now the
Sunray on Ahame needs to get out, or either needs to commit, but one or the other, he needs
to find himself ready to go, and instead he goes to the endless slash,
throws out a rapid dance that doesn't really land on anything.
Innocence is dead, down goes Planet, full supports gone, and nothing to say.
Jep's gonna be on the deck.
Fy trying to pick it up, and Courier goes and grabs it.
The right clicks come in from Shiro, and rips apart Fy.
They get a buyback up, Planet, look for more.
They blink, they've got the toss.
Ami, he didn't commit to one or the other, so he stayed nearby,
and planted C but again to kill.
They've got the envelope to the toss, and it tells them back towards the team.
The right click on the left, and it's coming up.
And now they go to the BKB, he starts to parry,
he starts to put the right clicks on a buck.
But will you have the damage that TP attempt out? Not going to be enough! The full TP might for VG!
It was indecision! That was the death of this fight, and he still has the greater healing bonus!
Go kick! Oh my god!
Like the logos are trying to TP out, at least the extra 900 HP would definitely help.
The tossback, like they immediately take out Bristleback with the Silver Edge.
So he's not as tanky anymore. This Silver Edge, I want to see the damage coming up from Shadowfinn in that fight.
the 6900 nice and 11000 like nothing to say at one point I felt him saying I need
to carry this because my carry is not doing as much and personal back
Bristol tight immediately he exploded we're able to get that damage and watch
Ami here because he's gonna think about backing up thinking about going in then
he throws an echo slash doesn't really do anything and then he also wrapped
dances doesn't really do much either and so he now he's in this spot where it's
like, oh wait, do I bail? Do I go? Do I bail?
Nothing to say, you just got two kills. Am I staying here?
Uh, am I going for the buildings? Alright, I'm gonna take the buildings.
Even though my nothing to say, Ember Spirit's fighting,
and we didn't get the jam, and now I'm gonna try and leave,
and then Plinit buys back, gets the commitment, comes back in and gets him.
And then this is perfect timing too.
This is all well-dodged from Fiji.
And look at the vacuum onto Ember Spirit.
Clips him just enough to be able to grab the kill, and then Ami goes in,
he's going on buck, who has low disorbs or removes all of that damage,
pretty much. All right, the smile. It was MC knows greater Lotus. He knows that he messed
up. He gave away that Lotus. It's not in his inventory anymore. Let's see. He gave it to
Ember Spirit, who has it in backpack as well. This is a minute three start greater healing
Lotus and nobody wants to use it I'm concerned oh my gosh now beachy who are
once down 10,000 at worth just before that engagement yeah they lost
themselves some of their base they lost the range racks not the worst thing in
the world, but they brought the net worth back to even and they saw the fruits of their labor.
They pretty much lost 10k a day, 10k during the daytime like Alliance did.
Now they've got to try and make it back up on the side of Extreme.
They had the opportunity to present themselves in front of them, and they just did the see-it-say-it-sort-it.
They have it all sorted out for Vici to bring it back to even.
And Rush, it's far ways out.
I mean, that is quite some time until they potentially get an Aegis into their hands, but now it's Beastmaster Refresher.
something a little bit different from what we've seen in the other game but
starting to see these lotuses are they really is this really gonna just this is
the excuse now because you could have used it a lot but if you get it into the
block of cheese you could have said the whole time wow I'm not trying to use it
I want the block of cheese yep they could have won the game they have to
greater and one great healing lotus so they maybe this is the strategy we'll
see if it pays off they have the opportunity to use them and win the game that's what I'm
doing. Win the game or make block of cheese which one sounds better to you. Focus too
hard on this minigame. Do your two down Shiro. Shadowfiend he gets to these points in games
where it hurts to go up against them at all. And now they've got this hex on Bok. They're
They're gonna smoke his five, wrap around, try and catch them, maybe retreating.
That being said, they smoke themselves and they'll go south.
So they come from the west.
But will they rise in the east?
South and evading all of extreme, these smokes just not matching.
Use a little bit of sonar help.
Very game pike is next on the docket for shiro just having a little bit of more defensive
item obviously offensive as well kind of one of those items that does it both yeah I mean
mental style offensive defense and same goes for synthetic and silver edge at lunch toss
into the war army caught again the requiem is down he's on the wall they've got themselves
the refresher they go to the war one more time the damage coming up from shiro to get
kill an army and they ripped him apart! They plucked every feather out of this kez!
They're gonna refresh another to save, but another avalanche comes out from
planet the site of his against the kill him of the Tidy who bombed back in the
last flight. So he's dead for 90th. Sheer moving forward has to break out of the
fritz so that they just don't have the vision. They turn their eyes around,
onto nothing to save. The slight, the remnant, the attacks out are there for
Sheero and they get themselves another supernova committed but they're able to
run away from the explosion site that will stop them in their tracks if they
They were too close, but down go nothing to say at Ammei,
and it is chicken dinner for Vici
as they continue to roast this Kez.
And then Bruce Bruny, he had empty bottle in that fight.
He had not put the greater healing lotus
in his inventory again.
Nice initiation.
They get another toss back into the hex this time around
and the right clicks from Shadowfiend,
double roar coming out from Beastmaster.
Hard to sustain this.
Like, I don't think he dealt any damage.
only 600 damage coming out from Kaz in the previous fight. He was playing with the idea, picking up the Lincoln Sphere earlier, but then opted to go for a BKB, pick up Satanic, but has no protection.
Even though I think there was a Lotus Orb coming out from the Bristleback, it was still not enough. And now Syro off to the high ground, 29 Necromastery.
top tier three in trouble and they will get at least the tower
Sam looking Lincoln's he's looking defensive and you see this fight again
as it starts with the army getting caught army controlled the entire time
First, they put him in the breading, then they put him in the egg bath, then they put him back in the breading.
They're all here being the Colonel, putting him into the Kez fried chicken as they dumped him down and put him up and served him on a platter.
And that is all so good there for Veche to just rip apart that kez and then they find nothing to say.
And that was just another kill that Shiro's just outputting so much damage, packing a huge punch into these heroes.
Yeah, the second roar was reflected by Lotus Orb, but it's still not enough, XM understanding
that I don't care too much about it, and I also see that he is going for the Lancaster.
This is something that Beast Masters do when they see that there is Lotus Orb on one side,
so it does allow you to go on a target, use the roar, you don't care about Lotus Orb,
and then you can pop the refresher and then use it again, so you're not gonna get stunned.
It's basically the second roar will go off, let's simplify it.
So now we're off for you.
Not for the viewers.
I appreciate that.
Now we're at this point where, six seconds, this is all where the creator lotuses either
mattered or didn't matter.
Because if they don't take this roche, and they don't get this cheese, and make this
spot cheese.
Game is all for nothing.
And I'm a little worried that they're not going to have the opportunity.
Shiro gonna start it.
If I was a Vici gaming and I saw those three lotuses,
I would drop the cheese and give it to them after winning the game.
You heard about dropping mantles, dropping mystic staff, which is the upgraded version,
But drop and cheese is the next level.
O'Shawn roaring and Phoenix quite low.
Past the bail for a second.
Smoke used, both teams under the shroud of smoke.
Phoenix is gonna eat the Lotus.
Not afraid to.
It's not like Wilson, the volleyball, they're not holding it just for hope.
They get the kill and an FY to start. Shiro's gone like five. That's committed by the hoodwink.
Take out an eye of the forest. Hairball thrown forward by X. It sets some right clicks,
but he just turns his back for the moment. Doesn't really feel that. He'll wear it, though.
Snowbaugh trying to stand in a good enough position where maybe he can make his move,
blink in, overgrowth and start the team off in a good way. They hit that push,
like that connects out of Shiro. He needs to be careful. He's inside the pit all over the
The avalanche comes out as well as the toss, they've got the break to go for the kill with the roar, and now I still have a blink in the overgrowth.
So they've got the control, they have the damage to follow up, the roar is going to come through, they get the kill on their Y, they never got the feet of top, they never got the end.
Shiro, he's sitting at about a fourth of his health, he goes into the infusion, now he's bashed up by Roshi, he just saw him on the deck, they get this Aegis, and they'll pick up everything else.
All the goodies into the hands of Shiro. That's the toss back, looking for the roughly a blowing up on me again!
They are just killing him time and time, once more, as nothing to say is broken, nothing to say is silent, and they will look for XXX.
Just like they rip the feathers from Kez, they will pluck these bristles from this bristle back.
They have nothing going for them on the side of extremes, and it's all falling apart.
They have the advantage that you carry, but you're not carrying much.
Grapple hook, primal roar, once again coming through on Aave.
He's trying to hook the nikkid survived, not only in this game, but in this tournament.
He's got nothing to give just yet, but he's still fighting strong with the drugs and
he's not killing anything to say.
He's dead for two minutes.
Why is he not coming back into the fight?
He's got to imagine a bot.
Peri trying to survive, rolling, fighting, planting.
Tiny's dead.
Avi with a double.
Now bot trying to run with the surge away.
But Shiro, he's still the big bad boss.
He still has his Aegis and Avi's going to fight him 2v1.
Planet comes back into the fight with a buyback and they've got the hex that comes from bot.
Races landing, parrying against, stunning up Chiro.
There's the grappling hook, one more time at a planet.
He rolls up into the air,
and there's a wreck, and that's gonna be a big win.
Haramal throwing forward from X-XS.
Planet low, Bushwreck lands, it's on the 2,
then the control of the Terp Trigger hits,
planet's gone.
Chiro, still here, still 2-Y, still has an Aegis.
Now he's a Satanic, he's still going after Ami.
Ami's surviving it all.
He says, right, chicken, no fried, Ichi.
They find the Bushwreck, they've got the control.
Everybody here except for nothing to say,
Force step over, X no in trouble, another overgrowth.
This fight is ticking forever.
They'll take the first life out of the hands of Shiro.
But can they follow it up?
Can they kill him again?
Buck trying to help, walled down,
back and pulls him back.
They've got the illusions.
He goes into the Silver Edge and now XB.
They don't have vision and they can't kill him once more.
All right, let's check the damage numbers.
That's what I wanna see.
Kess, 17,000 and 18,000 coming out from Jadophine.
They're still not done.
Only two buybacks available.
These are the heroes that are still alive.
You can see what they're not giving up.
This Kez, as the hero, is insane.
Multiple ways of getting on top of them.
Right now, they don't have enough damage to kill him.
He is a bit too tanky.
They need some extra.
They need those roars to connect.
Got no tiny 440.
Nothing to say is finally coming back.
And Lotus Watch 2026 has ended.
Ember did use his Lotus, there's no Lotus's anywhere except for FY who's got a great Lotus.
It took the Lotus's being used for them to come back into a fight.
All they had to do was collect those buttons.
And Bristolback's gonna have BKB as well, so gonna be able to dispel some of the more annoying things.
Still, after all is said and done, it's an 11,000 net worth lead.
for Vici. All these buybacks that happen their timers are already down to five
minutes because that fight was two and a half minutes long. We're gonna see the
whole fight again for two and a half minutes. But the way the fight started
is they killed off Bristleback immediately. They called X Noah. They're
gonna be coming back into the fight and Y as well and it looks like Kaz is not
doing as much. I think Bak actually survives here. He has low to storm so
So he's gonna be removing some annoying stuff from Kez, and then Requiem hits, they blow him up.
And then it felt like they just didn't have enough to kill Ami.
They even killed nothing to say here.
Yeah, and this is all without the ember that Ami commits the buyback, and he's back in and starts cleaning up everybody.
I don't really understand this KS hero. One moment they're blowing him up, one moment he's unkillable.
Nobody understands this hero. Apparently except for the professional e-gamers.
And Mekke, Pure, and Ami. Right now this is going to be do or die for Ami.
You said he was sitting at 50% and won 7 out of 14 games in his professional career.
He's like, he activated his Bunkai and just starts throwing all of the buffs on him.
He gets Solarcrest, he gets the Living Armor, he goes in, starts a life steal, gets another
Satanic parrying.
This hero lives for longer teamfights.
Zero here uses Refresher and manages to get another Requiem, but at this point it's not enough.
Luckily for him, it was...
...Tranprotector, who kind of was sitting far behind, and he did not have vision.
Like, he's the one holding the gem, so they're still going to be able to kill him here.
And then X-No, I'm not sure what happened.
How they lost the vision, but, uh, yeah, this has to be like one of the longest replays we've had.
Probably we don't have the statistics on it, because it's just stupid.
But it's a stupid stat to have, just throwing it out there.
I will live for stupid stats.
Now will they commit all the way?
Once I've actually, it's going to be, once committing, it's going to be extreme over.
I'm not sure I can say.
It's on a three!
Primal Roars, Supernova, where's anybody else?
Refresher, BKB, and then we're remning away.
These heroes now are kind of caught in a little bit of an island away from the side of XG,
of XG who are on the left side of them. They need to kind of get out, stride, they'll stick around,
XXS, he's in the area. There was that viscous nasal goo landing on to the Beastmaster, but they do
kind of get the opportunity and they're allowed to leave. It felt like XG kind of had them pressured
up against the wall and didn't quite commit there. But no supernova for a little while.
Well, he's got refresher on Phoenix, so it is technically available, but the initial
cooldown is down.
Kes also now has MKB, he's sold pretty much everything, bought the Lincolns, he's going
all in with the items.
Both carries, they do have Butterfly and they do have MKB and Convacs.
Reflected we can talk about the linkins needed to make sure you're safe against that reflection
Anchor is dive away. They don't feel confident about the initial start to this fight
But that's it says is still moving forward throwing the viscous nasal goo
Just trying to throw it on him, but now into the referee and they've got the fear
They've got the wall down that exit is still in about a half health
They go to the refresh when they go to the war it's gonna be an army
There's the over for the damage again on the army. They don't have it for two minutes
The longer fights are where you want to be, but that was short because he was dead quick.
Shiro beyond godlike, and that is going to be a double for him on two heroes that just
do not have buyback.
That's three versus five, and also Shiro has buyback available if necessary, so they can
go in and try it.
It needs to be Ember Spirit somehow.
Maybe with the refresher, I would say that he can try to hold it a little bit, but seems
like they want to be going for tier four towers.
The lane is being pushed in.
Trying to make the decision on where they want to go.
They know that the 5x don't exist.
They go to the prime of the ward.
It's going to be up to nothing to say.
Sunray the hex.
Oh, man. Nothing to say is gone.
They don't have the gold saved up for the 5x.
GG is called.
GG from not even qualifying for this tournament to the playoffs.
Oh man, what a performance.
Game 1, they completely stumped them.
Extreme Gaming did have only one kill to their names.
and this game was really back and forth.
They were throughout the majority of the game,
they were in control, but yeah, really entertaining
in this long ass fight that did happen
and in the end, Vici Gaming managed to pull it back again.
Yeah, stunned faces on the faces of XG,
but not a surprise.
Vici take the series, they move on to the playoffs
and let's hear what the panel has to say, guys.
Take it away.
We have decided that this series is now a best of five
because I would like to watch more of these two teams
go head to head not VG game and they they took this game that took this year
congratulations to them but what a game like this day this is what we want out
of a series like this yeah that team fight that we saw that was like the
longest fight ever I mean it was this one it's just that this goes on forever
and ever and ever yeah it was like art it was so nice like everybody pressing
their buttons right people using buybacks getting in at the right time like
Even from both sides, nothing to say, staying committed here, sacrificing his entire life
because he knows that that means Vici has to stay committed to this fight
because Aumei bought back. So if Aumei buys back here,
you have to take the fight.
Yeah, and they don't go in and get something out of this. The game is entirely over.
And I love the way that they were playing around Shiro here. They were carrying him,
they were kiting him with the goo, they had a crimson guard, they were using that off cooldown.
Like basically they were using everything to just pipe shiro go on the other heroes that they could kill and
They stayed as a unit if they ever separated at all the supports will die to shiro
There was one point in this fight where x nova
Almost got like three shot by shiro and then barely his tree and all comes off cooldown
It was like there was so many opportunities
For every single player in this game to blunder this fight in it never happened
everybody played this like essentially flawlessly. Aside from the dust. Aside from the dust. Yeah.
Yeah. Oh, without Ben we would have been whole different. We've actually been cheating a lot of
things, right? So, Shadowfiend had a buyback or have a base. Yeah. The thing is, the fact that we
can point out a single, like, medium to one little tiny dust. That in like a three-minute fight,
goes to show how beautifully these players are all playing Dota. I mean, it's such a shame after
watching something like this to see that Extreme is not going to be in the playoffs and we don't
don't get to watch them more, because that was beautiful.
But what a storyline for VHC.
Stand-in team, not even meant to be here,
and just absolutely proving themselves here today.
And not just that.
Obviously, they stand in here.
But it's not like they've shown in events before this
that what they can do, because they've not
had the chance to.
Like, that is incredible, and so in this game, just, yeah,
it does make me feel sad that we don't do more.
I mean, games like this are why I think
What is like the best game ever made like team fights just the skill cap the skill expression
I think that happens in these late games is so high
I just always so fun to watch and I mean both of these teams
Kind of play that playstyle right like you have extreme
They always have Aume at support in the game here is zero zero zero, but the highest ever in the game. Yeah, and
It's not enough. I think that being a little more active which Veechees
I think is a little better at fighting as a team is what takes the cake today
Yeah, yeah, you can't you can't blame this on even you can't blame this on the case, right? I
I cannot but okay. Okay. That's it. Okay
Okay, what I guess shero just did a little bit better on the shadow fiend
Well deserved MVP although I think you can make a case for every single player on the side of each of gaming
So to have played their hearts out in this game because it was
That's often for game. I think it was fairly back and forth
But it is it is shero at the end of the day
You ever I really don't want to say anything about the game because I could see box
Holy shit, and that was a hype game. That was so hype. Are you that you go first? No?
I I do I do I was I just want to hear you talk about this game because that was madness. That was crazy
Yeah, it was so long so tired game
I
I think they play really well, and they make too much pressure on us.
And we can only dodge, dodge, and give all the Tormentor, all the Rosh,
and just fight for our key items, and find chance in teamfight.
You did find out, but it was like half an hour into the game,
that you found that teamfight on the bot lane, on your right.
Were you like confident, like, you know, our time will come? Like, how did I go?
Yeah, it's like, we have to kill Brito back, like, somehow, when the timing is coming,
like, when we can kill Brito back, then we can do the fight.
So, we keep waiting, like, for the chance.
Silver edge, double roar, toss back.
It was so hard, but you guys did it.
It is so crazy, because, so, obviously, VG Gaming, you guys haven't been on the tournament for a little while.
Mm-hmm.
How are you guys, and were you guys able to stay up on this level of Dota without attending these tournaments, because that's very unusual.
Yeah, we actually started playing Dota before one week of this tournament, because we just know we might stand in for this tournament.
So we just play a lot of pubs and we don't have any scrims before.
So we just watch replays and talking together like how the teams are playing right now and
trying to figure out what hero we want and just build the wrong heroes.
So for that one week before Lachia, you didn't play any scrims?
Yeah, and well, I mean, before one week before, we barely played
Dota because we lost all the tournaments, all the qualifiers, so we don't have tournaments
play for two months.
And so we were like breaking and preparing for next qualifier.
And after we know, so we just play pubs because all the teams in Europe, they're playing Dream
League, so no team can scream.
So we just play pubs.
That is mental.
You've been on a lot of teams.
unusual right yeah yeah that's on you okay so what's the special sauce what
makes it magic I don't know lucky lucky yeah always lucky always say luck I mean
at bottom rose fights I was like 10 HP and not die I don't know I think I was
dying I'll do one question because I know jing is very excited you guys prefer
Second pick, a lot more than first pick.
Is there, what do you think is harder for first pick for you?
First pick, I mean, at the beginning of the tournament,
like Largo, Badrider, and Shadowfin,
these heroes are very OP,
and teams don't have too much solution to them.
And so, first pick was great at the time,
but we think these heroes maybe like,
Like shadow feeling, you can pick a mouth into it.
Like they have some solutions.
So maybe it's not like very good to do first thing.
Okay.
I'll ask you one Dota question that I have a bunch of life.
I'm just going to catch up with you.
I'm going to ask the, I just think reading my, sorry, your spy.
I got to ask about the faceless void position for you're the guy
that has to lane with it every time.
What what is it with this here? Do you guys just think that like time zone is really good and there's like good combos with it?
Nobody else is using
first our player planet he loved this hero and
He is a like a very good meady hero for pull wave
Yeah, he can't escape. He's not easy to die
So for my side, it's actually okay because there is a guy who can block camp for me and pull waves for me always
Yeah, and yeah, it's it's a very strong hero in teamfights also time zone. Yeah. Yeah
Yeah, actually, I mean it feels like most of the off lane is just trying to survive these days
Yeah, so it makes sense. Okay in the interview with slacks you talked about
Having a balance in your life. I texted you about it. I was like, I've always loved your
life philosophy. I know you were like kind of quitting Dota because you wanted
to find that balance and then you came back and you found that you can have it
while you're playing Dota. Yeah I just wanted to ask about that like what are
you doing in your life now that you find you have more of the balance because I
know you do your yoga like are you going to the sauna like what is it that's
making you feel like you can come back and have that balance? The biggest
change is I found something I want to do. That's like making games. And so I was learning
some computer science, basic knowledge right now. I'm having a CS50 class online. So that's
my next question. Yeah, for sure. I didn't see that. But I mean, yeah, I mean, the difference
between like now and the first time I quit is that time I think I don't have like very strong
target to do in my life so I was just tired I would just want escape but if there is no
like a main goal in your life it's also not a very good condition.
So, yeah, I think the biggest change right now is I know what I'm doing right now so I can have a meaningful and happy, happy life every day, so that's okay.
That's a great answer. For me, I had a similar problem and I felt that reading philosophy was that for me, actually.
So I totally relate to that. I want to ask you about the CS courses. Yeah, how is the coding thing going?
Like what language are you learning? How far in are you?
that that course is like
teach a lot of fundamental
it starts with C and
Well, that's a hard one, bro. Yeah
basically
first six weeks C and
Yeah, there are lots of
small problem sets
You do it like online and you can submit it and check it whether it's correct.
It's actually like playing games. I really like it.
It is problem solving.
Yeah, and after that, they will teach some like SQL, Python, and web coding like something.
Those are useful.
Yeah, it's just like a beginner course to lead you into this science.
Yeah, it's nice. What you're gonna hate when you start getting a you're doing memory management. Are you doing that yet? Oh, yeah
They teach that they teach that yeah
The word segmentation fault you're gonna start to hate eventually
Read this word and it's gonna be traumatizing. Yeah, but for now like every
develop develop
Language like they are pretty high level. They are not way easier. Yeah way easier than that. So it's a good first one to learn for you
Okay, thank you. It's really good to talk to you. It's very good to have you on the
couch and we are going to have to let you go as well because I know your team is waiting
for you. Thank you for taking the time to talk to us. Congratulations. Awesome to be
top 8. I'm sure we're going to see a lot of VG gaming still going on. You can leave
whenever you want at this point okay you can just get up yeah and thank you thank you it is it is so
cool to see vg gaming being in top eight and knowing that they didn't scream is just okay i will
say that's a little worrying they have other teams that did scream and did not make it out like that's
crazy yeah i mean think about it though like now you have a team that came in they're on a hot
streak because they kind of had that like not on purpose but they have that we don't
give a fuck energy you know it's no pressure it's kind of like the stand-in thing yeah when
you have a stand you're like uh we don't have our roster we don't have expectations but this is like
oh we did practice guys we got invited for free like let's just show up let's do our best see
what happens yeah just so you know week before that guys let's just start pumping it a little
I find it funny that it's not oh we just started screaming a week before yes because I think that's
That's the usual team thing. It's like, oh, our team took a break and then we started playing
because we started playing pubs.
Yeah, it is incredible. Obviously, unfortunately for extreme gaming, they were on the receiving
end today and that means that their road ends here. They do not make it out of the group
stages where Vici Gaming is guaranteed top eight here for PGA Valhalla season seven.
Two more slots remain in the playoffs and they will be decided in the upcoming two
series with Navi vs BedBoom being the one up next and Richard, Teeguff and Keser will
take you through those.
Not trapped at a desk at one singular posture for 12 hours a day.
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Hello everyone, are you ready for an extreme challenge?
I hope you are, because we are here with X-Nurban from Xtreme Gaming, nine class from Perry Vision,
Watson from Team Yandex.
You're going to play an incredibly difficult game where you are guessing a hero based on
extremely complicated description.
Let's go ahead and go to number one.
One with nature's savagery.
He leads those that cannot speak into battle.
The fury bolsters those who fight with me while my breath can halt the swiftest of kings.
Who could this be in this complicated riddle?
He or she is leading those who cannot speak.
Huh?
I give up.
Great game.
Thank you so much for coming.
We'll see you next time.
All right.
Come on.
Take a guess.
Dragon Knight?
Dragon Knight is a good guess.
Unfortunately, that's going to be Beastmaster, bro.
He leads animals.
We can't talk.
It's savage.
Dragon Knight.
No.
No, it's not Dragon Knight.
He doesn't lead anybody in the battle.
This is Beastmaster, Beastmaster, nature's savagery.
Yeah, no chance.
No chance.
Yeah.
Who do you think it could be?
Mr. Meister.
Holy shit.
No one has gotten this right.
That is Beastmaster.
You're the only person to get that one.
Well done.
I knew you'd be good at this.
Let's move on.
A puppet master who turns his enemies into their own worst nightmares.
He can make even the mightiest hero look frail and weak
while his poison can reduce entire armies to mountains, of course.
Bream?
No, no.
Alright, I need to study the game.
Alright, take some time.
Eh?
Am I the best?
No, it's not, it's not.
Poison?
No, no.
In the descent.
He can make versions of heroes that hit themselves, and he has an even-
Breamstroke.
No!
Poison!
Yeah.
Wipe it?
Just take a guess. Just take a guess, X-O,
but we got to move on.
Give me some time.
No, no more time.
No more time.
Time is not going to fix this.
Some sort of shadowed poison.
Shadowed demon.
Shadowed demon is right.
You got that one all by yourself.
Absolutely nailed it.
First try.
Well done.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah?
Shadowed demon?
Shadowed demon.
I don't believe it.
Out of the blue.
Incredible job.
Shadowed demon.
This guy got, it is shadowing out, unbelievable.
No one has gotten that either without some big hints.
You are on a roll.
Possibly the best person at the game yet.
Last one, a wandering virtuoso from the living isle
who plucks the strings of fate to a steady pulse
when he is near his allies feel empowered to fight
at blazing speed and newfound fury.
He is a frog.
He plays a guitar.
Largo?
It is Largo!
It is Largo!
He got two out of three!
Incredible job, sir!
Largo?
Yes, it's Largo.
Thank you very much.
Ladies and gentlemen, it's Largo, the new hero!
Largo?
He got it!
It's Largo!
Ladies and gentlemen, the only person that has played all day that actually did it.
No hints, no not lasers, the best in the world, you have won.
You have beat every single other pro.
Ladies and gentlemen, our champion of the game,
unanimously nine class, well done sir.
Absolutely goaded, as you will see,
he's goaded in his games as well.
As we continue to see him and their revision here
at PGO Valachia season seven.
I
the
Welcome back to PG L Valahia where of course the matches continue and we've got two teams
today that are very familiar with each other's game. It's going to be Narvi versus Team Betboom.
I'm your host Richard Lewis with the suspiciously positioned goblet today. I've noticed it.
The one time. They're always laughing when I'm in my segment.
The one time. I wanted to mention it. You're pre-mentioning it.
Yeah. Come on.
That's evening crew synergy.
Anyway, guys, you know these guys by now.
Three days of best time. It's He-Gerv, it's Kenseth.
This bad guy is this guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's the cool guys.
And they're here to talk about this game.
So, look, obviously, we're pressed for time
because we are going to get into the draft relatively quickly.
But let's just talk about these two teams.
obviously played each other a lot. What have you noticed, T?
Oh, what have I noticed?
Part of the goblets.
Loud and proud.
Couldn't miss that one.
So, historically, between the two teams, BB has just dominated Na'Vi in the head-to-head,
but less about that for now.
I think between the events so far at Vlahir, I'm intrigued by the fact that Na'Vi,
even though they have about four more minutes in average wind duration,
They're still looking at far more sys per game, far more deaths per game.
Just the stats feel a little bit more like Navi's a little bit more chaotic.
Maybe it leans towards BB when they lose, it's like they just get shut out
and they don't even get to farm up some of the digital stats.
But Navi just feels like they're doing more on the map for good and for bad.
I think the deaths and the sys is actually quite a lot.
It was like 15 assist average difference and the deaths as well quite a lot.
But I will say, overall I think Navi are also just a more aggressive team.
And like you said, even, you know, whether they're up or down,
I don't think their playstyle changes like too much.
You know, they have like a couple of crazy guys in the team,
you know, Niku and Zayac, I think they will run around
and try to kill people regardless of their score,
whether they're 2-10 or 10-2.
They're still going to look for the same thing.
And for me, Bedboom, they've been, I mean, you know,
it goes without saying, both things are 2-2.
Of course, there's good and bad about them.
But BB2Me have looked very strange in a way.
Like, in some games where I feel like GDK should be doing better,
he's losing his mid lane like way harder than he should.
and it's usually where he really shines.
So I don't really know where to place this team right now.
Yeah.
Let us not forget though, again,
organization versus organization.
Since 2022, Navi has only ever beaten BB one time
in a series.
Jesus.
It has been like five.
I can't really call it a rival.
No, it's not really a rivalry.
And again, just a little bit more context.
Like in 2025, it was around like five or six series.
Navi winning one of them.
2024, they only played one time.
In 2023, they played three times BB winning all of them.
And of course, 2022, a bit more of a back and forth,
but that was back when their logo was sus.
It was like MS Paint logo from BB.
And also the team was very different, right?
But in at least modern day of the Orgs,
you look at the discipline, the structure,
the spookiness of BB, often just outweighs
the fresh young creativity of Navi.
In an inter-regional matchup of Eastern Europe,
it just seems to lean BB's way.
Well, we can take a look at the cause
and sort of compare them,
because obviously that leans into T's point a little bit, Tess.
Yeah, I mean, it's just that, I would say still, like for Navi, right,
overall they're very, like, versatile in what they do, right?
You can see it here.
I mean, T is there also something else that sticks out to you?
No, I'm just looking at, boss man got the juice, right?
He's got, like, too many heroes, maybe.
Like, he's 11 matches, 10 heroes played.
It is quite like a warm, my God.
This guy can play a little bit of everything, right?
And maybe even when you look towards BB,
eight different heroes for Kiritich out of 10.
Nine, so maybe.
TPK out of 10, 8th for Miro, like at least for Navi, there's a little bit of grounding.
Look at Niko, he gets it.
Yeah, Niko gets it, even P&A to some degree, right?
Navi, the mid, the offlane, they do their job, forgot the juice to have their creativity.
Yeah.
BB, all of them seem to be trying to find new heroes.
So, again, I feel like that type of analysis you lean towards, is that still a team trying
to understand who they are, or are they actually drafting with this mentality of like, we can
pick anything?
Because the best teams in the world, you don't see every core with that much flexibility
on BB. Normally, like I said, one guy, maybe two.
Yeah, and for BB, it was literally all three.
Yeah.
More often than not, they're playing a different hero,
like every single game.
And usually, that's not really how it goes.
I can see it sometimes, like for the mid players,
you know, you get last pick, you throw out your,
I mean, GPK, you know, he showed us the Necro yesterday.
It was horrible.
Yeah, that one was bad.
That one, I think, was all I want to see.
It was horrible.
Oh, OK.
Just again, just to clarify, the hero was good.
Yes, he was bad.
Yeah, he didn't want to show the strength of the hero, there was a very acceptable like chime in from you because I had nearly forgotten about it.
Just to go back to the point, when you're made you get to counter picks, you have different heroes, you have Haskars, you have Necro.
So I can understand that his hero pools may be higher than the others, but you don't want that from all three cores.
We want some stability.
Right, well, we've got some interesting developments over on the Navi side.
TA, which has emerged as the best carry here at this tournament, statistically, taken out,
and Mars first pick.
Get rid of it against DB.
You know, Keratich, the Templar Assassin, it's up there with pretty much all the TA players
in the tournament, like, you don't want this guy to get his hands on it, and I feel like,
based on the stats, what was it again, like, 14-1?
I can't remember.
I think at the end of the minute, last time I saw it, it was 12-1.
Yeah.
I read correctly, it had 80% win rate just now.
Sure.
Yeah, I forgot to look at it when it appeared on the screen at 12 for two. All right. There we go. Thanks. Perfect. Thank you
We love you. Yeah, I feel like
After at the end of a group stage, that's when you go, you know what I am gonna change my first phase bands
Yeah, if the ton is drifting this way like sometimes we'll get to the playoffs and they're still like these type of heroes 12 and 2 that don't get banned
But this time around I'm like, yeah, you probably should and it heads as well. It's a good band
I mean you first picking Mars if you're not getting instantly kez done nine that hero's got to go
You've already preemptively ban TA you might need to think about like an Ursa down the line
But other than that kind of kind of strange to see a Mars first pick is it kezu or or not?
I wouldn't necessarily say so. I think the teams that played well
It's good overall and I believe if I remember correctly like Navi's recent matches this year
I'll get second-phase banned against them a lot of the time, right?
And sometimes, you know, you go on to your next drafts. You're like, it's okay if we pick it earlier
You know, you may still not have the best matches, but it's what he likes to play
It's what they play well and I think overall if you understand like your bands, you know, you take out their TA
BB, you know, they had the choice of taking the bird. They didn't so you get to ban at second phase
So I think Navi they should be pretty happy with us
Yeah, he's drafting star has always leaned towards their carry getting a bit more priority in the draft
I think now they coming into this series like let's try and just first pick the Mars
They'll probably pick a jacquero some support because they're not the type of team to pick a carry
So we'll call that bluff that they're not gonna encounter it and we'll get to the second phase
But I mentioned us us of being here that they might have to think about they didn't buy it out baby go
Thank you very much. This is the other carry. We'll take the us it. Yep
Sad about 70 something. I believe they guys had a little drop
But still very strong. Yeah, I mean this hero is very good
You know that for in most games Mars is just gonna be the off-laner. You don't really pressure Ursa
I mean you can protect yourself, you know with the rebuke and the sphere
but we've seen the lanes off Ursa Warlock, Ursa Jekiro.
It's very hard to beat these lanes.
So now when you look at this,
Navi have always kind of done the double melee, right?
Zayac wants to play the Nyx, the Aspirate.
Are you already looking towards the melee four,
dodge the lane entirely, play for Mars, getting Blink,
yours, Ursa getting Battle Fury,
but because Mars has Pool Wave Farm,
he can actually play into it?
Or is that kind of still giving Ursa too much freedom?
I'm not expecting him to win the lane with a full position,
but I mean, it's just like their style.
I mean, I will say that the next Mars that they have played I don't like it personally here
I will prefer the range guys because it helps you more in the lane
I mean then it's up to like Xayah's how do you feel can you be okay against a jacquero and lane well
They're obviously telling us no, we're just straight up conceding the lane
We don't want to play it like this
So I do hope that they will cover it with other stuff because again you will lose this lane earth's bird
He needs to have a place whether it's mid whether it's a safe lane go there get some kills
You know play on the saves on like a range carry because this offline you're not just giving it up
you're straight up conceding it to like the biggest like extent possible.
But going back to the idea then, like if you are conceding the lane, if you pull the waves correctly and you keep playing on that efficiency,
I am then going to look towards Na'Vi, how do they take the fight with the cheap items that they will be buying?
Like EarthSpirit grabbing heroes away from the earth, kicking allies away, like there's a lot of things that EarthSpirit can do in the game
to buy time during the earths of BKB, but yeah, I mean there is just going to be this main theme of
I'm expecting us to get battle theory blink at like minute 15 16 in this game
Like he is gonna have no real stress unless a a comes to the twin gate with a mid
Let's like an ember or something and you just keep diving him bad the moment on paper
So on 13 pick very happy still. Yeah, especially like I'm not so now
We have an obsession with this hero a is 0 and 3 in the tournament. Yes, they are you know
They're 0 to exactly like they are part of two of the three losses
They go to pick it again, and I will say you don't really see the four and the five and one
You don't see the the three and the four from baby like the offline girl
Oh, and one of the biggest weaknesses of this hero is that when you pick it blindly
It's quite hard to lane into other heroes, and I was like it's okay against earth
I mean obviously if you start on them like those heroes they will generally die
But even so he has his own play know he can go on you
He's gonna be the guy that generally speaking has an angel in the draft as well
So I will say I'm not too sold on the support deal yet from Navi
I feel bad for AA because on paper it always makes sense that what it can do, it will amplify the magnetized of the support earthspera, it will enable the pick of potential of Mars when you lack damage, but now Mars and AA together, you can get kills.
Between the iceblast and then the rune of spear, heroes will die.
die. Like I mentioned, the blind pick, the laning, Centaur looks at AA and goes, oh well I'm
going to get a completely free lane, and Centaur, the stats didn't look too good for him, but if you
have a weak lane, you know you're always going to get your pipe, you know you're always going to get
that one aura, and against Navi's lineup, pipe plus, let's say Crimson, or pipe plus anything,
their early mid game just feels a little lost, potentially. Again, two more picks down the
line, so yeah, for BB, Ursa is going to get battle fury by a minute like 13, Centaur is going to get
pipe by around like 15 and then they're going to be ready to fight for to
mention the rumble the ringmaster is there we haven't seen a lot of ringmaster
casu but you have promoted this guy in certain matches I think he's very good
here I just kind of like the hero right he can flex 4-5 here most likely he's
just a four he's a good laner he has good follow but he's also like this nice in
between of like a safe you know you box a guy you make a bit more time maybe later
you get the cart as well so BB are getting pretty good layers I think of
heroes that they want. When I look at NaviNup for the 18 pick, generally speaking they really
like their Niko puck, that one is open, you know, then you get the double ban, could be good,
they're gonna go for the carry instead. One, generally like when you have AA I think it's
nice when you have the DK and the Sven, but I will say Sven Ursa is not Sven favorite at all,
I mean it's actually the complete opposite. Sure you're good against the supports and the Centaur,
but Ursa can really swing this matchup against the Sven. And Ruvrungo says we'll go back to that,
I just like the magic resistance like that's you have to keep reminding because every time you see the box
Well, it's just a box. No, it actually does really really counter. So pipe plus escape act really can can turn things around at least for Navi
Their draft is very much about the initiation
What vision do they have because if you kill Ursa if you do have that explosives spend initiation with a on top
Mars is holding back the supports with an arena. You kill us and BB's draft does fall apart
All of the heroes outside of Ursa try to amplify us positioning and damage
he does like this is not three heroes that can take the fight right like so at least
for Navi in the back of their mind it's just kill the ass, kill the ass, kill the ass.
That is like the big thing for them.
But are you a bit so when I think of like Milikari said they want I'm a little surprised
they picked Sven over DK.
I think they do something similar but DK has a bit more like mobility he's a bit less
committal when it comes to like the Ursa.
I would lean more towards the burst that's it right DK's damage can be a little bursty
when you get the Daedalus, but with Sven, it's just a matter of like get the Blink Dagger,
press O, and you're going to kill a Hero, right? I think maybe just the timings of them,
but then again, DK with Blink. You also have timings on Iceblast, I don't know. Maybe it
goes to be Comfort. Layer preference. Yeah, exactly. I mean, they're basically the same Hero,
just slightly different damage outputs at slightly different times. Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, so we have to look at the mids.
I mean, I would be semi-surprised if BB would...
Is it Navi just got like Ember Viper ban it and then just Park?
Yeah, that's exactly what I was saying too.
Like I think they're just gonna go for Park.
So I feel like unless, like if BB don't ban it, then they have a very clear answer because
you obviously Navi don't have any ban stuff where it's like, well, if they park, I'm gonna
do this, we're super happy about it and I'm just gonna like destroy him because if you
don't have this, just take it out.
like the most confide and it's very good in this game what happens if maybe
don't ban the park Navi pick park and then maybe still pick you know Huskar
I know there's an ancient I appreciate it but it's like if a is in the game yeah
and then there's Huskar now a has to think about blasting Huskar us is not
getting blasted and then to kill the earth so you need Sven plus a a to kill
him so it's kind of like you are sacrificing yourself but you're beating
the fucking laning phase you put a fake target on your back to allow your
character shine and if you play it correctly a can't count of both of them
he just counters you know obviously one there's one ice-blast but that's like
maybe a little bit too much cooking I can see well like we're not we are
leaving it like on purpose because of what you said but then I mean I would be
afraid of playing Husker in this game I mean you still get all the other things
you're saying but just to be just to really remind everyone it would be like a
blink-dagger Husker where you're playing on like you see a you jump him you're
silencing him you're killing him you're going super sacrificial and you're going
like psychomode on the map right like you know you're gonna die once or
twice like this is not gonna be like a flawless game that's why in my mind I'm
like I'm picturing it may be working but this is definitely I mean this is
Navi like daring it in a way yeah otherwise you never see this match up
otherwise because you have to a you can you know you kind of let it happen but
BB they take like the normal very good answer you know voice for it you're good
in the lane you have a very good jump against the two supports as well you
know what AA hates you. Basically, AA hates all the cores, I would say, that BB have in
this draft.
That's just AA in general. Any game you play, like...
AA hates cores.
Yeah, like, AA has to look like 9 times out of 10, you buy Blink Dagger on the hero, just
so that you can wait for the fight to develop to actually enter. But yeah, voice for it,
buying vessel, hunting the map, laning against Puck, you're going to have CS or deny advantage.
It's a lot more stable. I was going a little bit crazy with the suggestions, but voice
for it, everything's very chill. And that's what we've described about the two teams,
Bibi's always very methodical and understanding and Navi there's elements of like aggression and chaos and with their draft
It's the timings have to hit the items have to layer if they're ever out of sync from their timings
I do feel like Bibi will naturally feel happier in the game
They're never waiting for anything once the 15-minute mark of the game kind of presents itself
Yeah, I'm gonna be I'm a bit afraid for Navi here in the draft
I think like not just over for like the core matches because you have Ursa into the Sven
I think also a fat Ursa is quite good against Park
You get a quite early blink basher and also the support duo like the Earth Spirit AA that you have against the ringmaster
Chikiro, it's easier for them to win lanes to go to me to help the Void Spirit
I really think now we have to put on like their A-game. That's A-plus game
Yeah, well, we'll ask it. I'll commentate as if they agree with you. Wagamama, Gareth
Do you agree with Kezu the age old question?
I think that overall is very true that it's gonna be a little bit of a hard match up just between the two
But I do want to point out
I think both drafts internally are very very nice like they have their own synergies
They have their own strengths to play towards so I'm not that fearful for Navi here. It's like a classic Navi draft
Right they're looking for item timings. They're looking for that tempo through team fight
I just really hope that they don't fall into that trap we saw yesterday where they get caught on one side of the map and then lose
Roshan tormentor into that sequence where their team fight just suddenly disappears exactly execution is going to be important
We're gonna find out guys the game is ready to go. I'll let you do your thing
Thank you so much. Yeah head on into game one best three Navi versus bet boom as we get into the swing of things here
I also do worry about this Ursa warrior because he's looked like an incredibly hot carry through this tournament
We've seen humor pop up on it several times because he just has this
Gorgeous timing from Lane to battle fury to roast a storm into swarming the map
Versa is probably the best carry in the current meta at playing objectives in particular like Esav is the best carry overall period
He's just insane right now, but there's probably the best at abusing the fact that you have to play for early tour and you have to play for early Roche.
You've got to be ready to fight around 20 minutes.
If you're not able to do stuff in the first 20, then the carry is basically not worth picking.
That's how the meta works.
T.A. looking from the outside into that upper echelon.
No, she's up there. She's like top three at this tournament.
Yeah, she's very good at those things actually.
She is one of those heroes who excels early, but then falls off a bit in the ultra-hard carry department
She kind of wants to win on a timing
Yeah, whereas this Ursa like the panel is saying right once he gets that Basher or a Bissell blade
Even the puck can suffer to just an immediate jump and blow up for sure
Yeah
The thing about Ursa is that he keeps getting stronger for throughout the entirety of the game
Whereas TA would have to be on a timer this Ursa is just gonna be a monster throughout the entirety
Late smoke from both teams as usual.
Getting ready to move to the next round.
Sneaky move!
They got revealed, smoke breaks for both teams.
Both of them know what's going on.
Keratips looking for any further information because this is a move that Zayac has done
pretty much every time he plays EarthSpirit.
He goes in behind, places that lane ward for courier sniping.
Yeah, he has done this several games and these teams do their research so if you and I know about it and spot it, then they're going to do it as well.
Xeven comes back through in like centuries of camp or make sure that you can't get any
pulls going either.
I bet you he's still gonna find a way to put a sneaky ward somewhere, cause he's got
boots, people have to go to lanes eventually, Tecure can't really stick around here forever,
so look at that, just kinda hang around here.
It's a nuisance.
And there are 3v2, they've rolled on to Keratich, damage from Zlat, forces him back, they'll
get the body block on the wave as well, so really nice setup there for the lane equilibrium
for a double melee lane, that's super important.
You know, I think that could have been a kill had he gone for Blood Grenade in the starting
build on Zayac, but he went for tangles and sentry, so not having Blood Grenade is very
rare on supports.
Yeah, true.
And in the mid lane, the old classic, Void Spirit vs. Puck, a little bit of back and
forth between these two heroes throughout the game, but in general it feels overall
with item build, with the way the hero works, Void Spirit kind of has Puck's number for
the most part.
Yeah, Void is typically picked into the puck and not the other way arounds.
Sometimes you can pick puck despite a Void Spirit existing, but the matchup being a bit volatile is true later on.
In laning stage though, Void is definitely the favorite.
His Void Spirit has a ton of tools, plus you will set up purchases into the e-forum that's really nice.
Puck basically just has coil.
Void Spirit of course has Aghanim's Sector later on, which can hurt the puck a lot.
Yeah, it's a very natural item for Void to buy as well.
You buy the Agadems after your counter has a puck, but you also give yourself a bunch
for streamlined item progression, you get to kill potential on anyone, and you tank up
by doing it as well, whereas Puck, to counter the Agadems, would have to go Yule's after
something that you never want to do.
Puck, Yule's is an item you get forced to buy, not something you want to buy.
Some more lane dragging down his bottom lane.
TMA, fighting where the large cam should be.
Just trying to really drag the wave back whilst I have Steals at the front.
Yeah, for now they are not really able to fight that easily into Ursa.
Level 2 there for the Centaur gets enough damage onto Got the Juice.
Hey, I've already started looking awkward as he's being tagged up by Saves Ringmaster and all the Daggers.
He's going to pop out with a little illusion there and TP away at the same time as blocking the small cam.
Worth the block, does leave Miira a little bit 1v2 as he has to make his way back all the way from base.
But of course, Sentai's gonna be very happy after that kill.
Man, wouldn't be able to do that without a kill either.
Dang, that little funhouse Miira.
Yeah, I actually think this bottom lane might become difficult for Navi and I've been praising every game that you and I cast Navi.
I've been saying that this off lane has been doing incredible stuff in lanes where they shouldn't be getting too much done.
So far the CS is quite even, 9 and 3 versus 8 and 3 over on the Mars in Ursa, but I can see this Mars start to struggle once the Pulse start coming in from Jakiro.
Yeah, and Jakiro hits level 3 and all of a sudden this magic damage over time really ticks you out of the lane.
So Zions is going to try and continually come back, make sure the small camp isn't accessible, and maybe think about even further lane dragging to get behind that tier 1.
to one. He has to body block up the big camp as well. He's not going to be able to do it,
so J'Kiro can pull the big camp. He's protecting it. Yeah, that's very cartly. Sitting trade
is widget here. But there is a nice wave in front of Taloth here man, so he'll just keep
aggro dragging back, try and secure some last hits where he can. Basically just scrape the
bottom of the barrel and find what's given to you. Yeah, definitely a much more painful
off lane though than what we're seeing from the Centaur, who's able to basically stand
on the CS. Every time I look up top lane, the center is standing and disfarming. He's
not bothered by this AA much at all. AA trying to auto-attack harass, the center is going
to take damage from the retaliate, so it's just a difficult lane for him to protect
gothid juice.
Here mate, Fury swipes on him. Just get back under tower. But yeah, that top lane, the
big point right was that development of the draft where we saw all of Riddies' heroes
get banned and he was kind of left with AA, Ringmaster, there's a couple of options for
him, does go for the AA here to pair with this big teamfight combo they've got, but
it hasn't looked particularly hot in terms of win rate this tournament, Neku down the
bottom rune spot, Local Nain gonna get face shifted away, another orb and jaunt, but it's
not far enough, GPK picks up the kill. Just barely not able to get enough HP there, not
even with the water rune, gonna be able to stay alive, that does mean he can get double
rune as the top is being protected by save, GPK is going to be, well, double rune, he
gets the second rune.
Got a four minute water rune rotation, Navi move one support, Batrune move two, and this
is the bleed out effect. They're already feeling comfortable in these side lanes, so the supports
can say, okay, self-sustaining cores, Ursa and Centaur aren't really bothered by anything,
we can literally do what we want.
Did get a nice courier snipe, and he's still looking for more ziots, does not have a ward
behind tower or anything, but he's just realizing he's very good at catching these couriers,
he can roll onto them, just hanging around looking for it, gonna pull the next creep wave.
And whoever's carrier that is, being microed on the tower, make sure it's protected, and
will drag the lane the long way around, he doesn't want to get chased down by Katonomi,
who's kind of holding the pass.
And as per usual, we see stacks being made, AA is preparing the jungle a little bit for
later on recovery by Sven who's doing okay but not that great in the laning stage. Look at the
damage dude. Jaquiro does so much damage. Level 3 Jaquiro is so low-killing, Zayac! He has to go
over the kickback. A little bit more damage here would finish the job, doesn't quite land the dual
breath. Zayac survives and will salve, did grab the wave but now it's under tower so they don't get
that lane equilibrium reset that they were looking for. Just 650 damage from like what, three volleys
of auto attacks in one spell, and Jekyll is fun at level 3 already.
I'll see.
It's insane how much damage he can do.
And then you come to minute 6, the rune spawning up, he can just sit on his rune, protect it,
1v2 basically.
Kind of difficult here for Niku to be able to refill that bottle or get the active rune,
and that means complete freedom for GPK to pick his moment.
Yeah, GPK having an easier time is already hard to control the rune against the void
spirit, you can put down the remnant.
You just gotta get the bottom rune as well, it's spawned on the lucky position, so no
No chance at all for Niku.
No real chance here for the DIA supports to move into mid to deal with GBK, like pre-level 6, right?
Now, also, he's got level 6, it's even more difficult to come and find him.
I think you just gotta keep stacking, stack up for Sven, and then I hope the release can lead to experience when Sven clears them later on.
They need to Sven ulti and he can start going through these camps.
But yeah, right now, they don't have the easiest time making moves.
Overall, most important thing for Na'Vi is getting their levels.
It's going to be invasion right now though. You want your levels, Betboom wants to take your levels.
They're going to go for the wisdom rune. 20 seconds on to the spawn. GPK has a shield rune, so this is insanely hard to contest.
If Na'Vi lose out on both wisdom shrines, it is a demonic start for Betboom.
They already realize.
You need arena. You need ice blast. These are your massive tools, and they're just relinquishing control of this area.
They're played up to top to try and steal, as they do go aggressive on the center with a cold feet snapping and a damage from Sven.
It's pretty tanky.
It's pretty tanky.
It's a Lotus still to be used with a Helm of Iron will keeping him tanky.
GPK comes in, swipes through Xayah to the stampede forward, gets on top of Sven.
Massive damage from GPK and Miero.
Got the juice down to a double kill on his Void Spirit.
Wow.
Fantastic early game here for BedBoom.
Double wisdom shrine as well.
Fantastic play from them.
Dominating lanes.
Ursa doing what we expect him to do, but just every lane is doing so well.
Look at the CS even.
All of their courses in at 40 plus CS.
Meanwhile the Mars.
as expected not having a good time
oh what what what
uh uh well
not much to look around at me speechless
Nico just wandered into death there
yeah I'm not sure what he saw because there were so many people dead anyway that
I guess I was very confused I guess Centaur was still low HP I think it was optimistic
about finding Centaur and maybe killing him but very very difficult to take anyone down alone there
there. I did throw the coil to try and get something done. Very optimistic. It feels a
little desperate, honestly, already from Navi. Down five kills, 2k net worth, deficit. Looking
to try and find what they can. And at this point you're already thinking how do we drag
this game out? How do we get to this point where we can get spent big? Hold the high ground
area, use teamfight ulti to zone control things. Yeah, it's looking grim because now we're
We're going to start seeing movement as well. We might see Kataromy make his way through the gates.
Start emphasizing pressure on that top lane. His bottom tower is already fallen.
It becomes very natural for Bedboom to start expanding the map.
And that's why we see Void Spirit as well swooping behind.
He's going to find Sven in a precarious situation.
This is huge.
They found him. Steal all of his creeps as well.
The poor little frog spawn pool has been slain and gobbled up by GPK.
Saved, grabbed the kill and got the juice.
Six to nothing.
Na'Vi are just being shut down entirely.
There's another whipcrack as well on the Riddies as Miro's Hellbeth, Smasher, comes in to do the job.
Yeah, this is turning extremely desperate. They need to play on Aeolty's now.
That's the only thing they can do. They need to get level 6 on AA, give him experience somewhere,
because he will enable them to kill pretty much anyone if they land a good Aeolty.
So we play through Mars?
Yeah, play through Mars, play through Puck, Aeolty and Aeolty.
That's the only way to come back from this, and then just hope they got the juice,
finds space and time to recover.
And that's why it's even more disastrous that this bottom tier one has already fallen.
So if Mars, you know, gets gone on, you kind of want the TP in the axe, but you don't have
that option.
Yeah.
Maybe they can play into this mid lane and defend the tier one tower there because the
assault is coming.
GBK is already diving onto XIAC.
Looking for a solo kill.
We'll poke him down to half HP.
Sort of awkward spot as well.
I said that AA is going to need to lead experience from the camps being taken.
First of all, that didn't happen. As you see, Mars getting jumped, it's fine. Got the spear ready.
But since the camps didn't give him any experience, and mid is under siege, mid is normally where you want to leech experience.
Look what's happening right there.
Shade the stuns!
I mean, this is perfect from safe. We've not seen, oh well, I've not seen an awful lot of ringmaster this tournament,
but bringing it out here and showing how gorgeous it can be with the little disables you've got, the extra damage in the lane.
What, was he 5 and 0?
He's 4-4.
He's 4-0 and 2, yeah, he's absolutely all new.
And the thing is, he hasn't even really peaked to why Ringmaster's good this game.
Like, he's playing really well early game, but a big part of why he's gonna be useful is because the box is crazy good at saving against Navi's lineup.
So, the full potential of the hero hasn't even been reached.
Yeah, cause we were looking at this thinking, oh yeah, you called it.
A few picks in saying, oh, the Ringmaster's pretty good here to save, because there's magic damage, having that resistance with the box to save out of the arena.
I need you to show him that he's an aggressive hero, not a saving hero.
Yeah, he can...
Helping damage.
He is a fantastic player.
I think Ringmaster does not get enough credit in this era of seeing all these different
Jekiro, Shadow Demon, Warlock, Phoenix, it's a whole lot of the same.
I would say that Ringmaster is not far behind any of those heroes in terms of power early
on.
He is more skill-dependent though.
You need to land your abilities.
Your Q is a skill shot.
Your E is a skill shot.
Your ulti.
That's a skill shot.
Well, not a skill shop, but you need to be very on your toes about saving people so he is a much easier to fuck up
Going on the spin again
earn of shadows
learning the soul have got the juice down to about 30% health
GBK is going to try and astral step off to the left as Niku keeps tabs on the retreat of Betboom
This is
Force Navi to react and bring numbers up here though
So they're gonna lose out the farm trade as that boom can now spread their wings get out across the map and even invade your ancients
Kyrgyz closing it on that battle theory is getting real big
Yeah, this is so comfortable for us and he might even find a a doesn't have face boots like their stuff
And science has also walked in on the other side to these two supports blown up by same
And you're right Kyrgyz gets the solo kill the take down on Riddies
Kills all over the board here bet boom have not dropped a single one right now Navi
They almost have the tools online, but they still need the AALT. Yes, you have your Mars ulti, coil
You have all these nice tools, but without AALT, they can't really burst anyone due to how far behind they are
They're just out leveled and are lacking in the DPS department. So
Yeah, I don't know man. I don't know how he's gonna do it, but really you need that level 6 as serious as possible, buddy
Ten nil
6k lead for Batboom.
The panel was saying Na'Vi, even as the game started, got to kind of outplay to get themselves out of lanes and into a fighting shape.
This is a brutal start, and they're getting wrapped around on top, got to use Christopharm under his tower.
The remnant misses, but they've surrounded him here.
They're going to the back of the Sven.
They're very cautious about how they dove him there, definitely expecting a reaction from
Navi.
But that gave time for Navi's smoke move to come over there, or actually I'm not sure
if there was much there.
They moved to just run over there and react.
They didn't really TP into help, they just went over there and killed them.
I'm sure it's just like, good job everybody.
Yeah, you're out there doing God's work, following away.
First kill of the game for Narvik.
That was a kill they got without even using the ice blast due to how deep the dive was.
So still have the ice blast available.
Showing that there are no pushovers.
That boom now maybe have to be a little bit more delicate with their approach.
Don't want to throw away this incredibly big build up.
Wisdom he might kick away the ringmaster. Oh, science not gonna go for it. I thought it would roll in and do the kick out
It's a way that you can steal as our spirit, but maybe expected multiple heroes there now this time
Yeah, if it's multiple you end up feeding but I think when you're this far behind you gotta take some risks
Me too with this item that was queued up which played into double minus or trip triple minus cute
Is it just like a misclick thing because we see this quite often with pro players queuing up the same item several times
Ah, it's memes usually. Just memes, if you queue the same item. Especially Midas. Yeah, Midas or Apiria
You put a bunch of them and you quick buy it like guys. That's what we need
Everyone follow suit
Follow along with the cramp plan
Spanish starting to get his items though. Masterman is in Akus over here so he can definitely farm quickly
but he desperately needs that blink BKB before he feels super comfortable entering teamfights.
I think it's commendable the amount of farm he still has despite all the pressure he's been under.
He's died three times, he's been focused a lot, I would say like almost half the game.
Betboom have been hunting and pinpointing pressure onto him and still he's almost keeping pace with Ursa.
Granted, uncontested I think Sven forms faster than Ursa, so being behind does not feel good for him.
And like Keshu pointed out, the matchup is just not that nice manfighting into Ursa.
It's never easy Sven wants to insta-burst people if Ursa goes aggadams later on you can never really burst him
And then in long extended fights you've got fury swipes
Sven is very reliant on that god strength to just have a quick easy burst on someone
They are working on tools against Ursa though. They have the Yulestre coming out on Mars. It's completed once he gets blinked aggur
He can maybe catch people
And now I'll be even invading that bottom jungle.
Earthspirit went ahead, leading the recon team to get some deep vision behind that mid tier
one.
And so it seems like they want to try and get a catch on somebody.
Keratix might be the one that they eye up down here, but is it difficult kill to take?
Yeah, you would have to imagine the battle would react very, very quickly as well if
there was a dive.
Tower is healthy.
You have a lot of TPs ready.
Even Centaur ulti can help bail out if someone gets jumped.
That boom have definitely started to respect Navi a little bit more though.
No more diving, no more aggressive plays.
Now starting to choking up the map and
trying to play as wide as possible.
Dragging that lane top with the Centaur creep, playing through mid as 3.
Kind of funny to see as well as Iod's using ulti to farm neutrals down on the mid lane.
He realized that the game is very slow, nothing is happening.
So he used ulti to clear the big camp and the medium camp.
So he's just kind of cutting waves, doing what he can, sniping couriers of course.
Gets another one, just a ward and sentry on that one.
Being a nuisance, he's trying to basically make them, force them to make backwards moves.
If you come back to deal with his Ursprit, sure you may kill him, like Ursprit should be able to kill him here,
but it takes time away from putting pressure on anyone else.
Oh, he gets denied!
Well done by Zayas, that's really annoying for GBK.
having such a stellar first what 15 minutes or so dying up top now losing
out kill on to Zion's but the rest of the team is making it work out early
Roshan 17 minutes in and they should leave them quite nice in that top left
corner of the map that's nice nice and fast Roche it is slower than Yuma though
who's been getting it at what six 15 minutes yeah he's always been very very
quick about taking that Roche but still starts the cycle already and well in
time for the tormentors to having the Aegis, we've talked about it before, you get the
Aegis, you hold the advantage for Torm, they see the TP down bottom through the gates,
they are aware of them coming through the gate.
And Niku tucked away in the tree lines.
Yeah, he should not be getting caught.
Gonna get denied.
Xayas will roll away.
And RV playing Keepaway here.
And Pepim kinda chasing Ghosts the past few minutes.
This Xayas guy, curious sniping as though he's playing Bounty Hunter.
It's so annoying. He's curing up the blink tag too, so he's going to go for the first time.
How do you have this read?
It's like he knows, man. The Ursa courier was heading down bottom last...
It's like maybe next time, when you've had fit Emma Boston Major just going around sniping couriers left and right.
He can smell them, man. He can smell the couriers.
He's got a ward on mid, so he can see Void Spirit's courier.
He's definitely going to roll for this one.
The couriers have a certain pheromone, or electromagnetic pulse or something.
It's like a shark in the water. You've got some kind of sensors.
If you like to have magnetic pits in your cheeks.
Throws the ulti again to clear the next creep wave as well.
This is very very disruptive.
What Zayac is doing is getting quite a bit of gold from it too.
I haven't seen this too many times with the Ursprit.
Another Korea.
I mean they have to be more popular with Korea, they're just sending them into him.
He's going to die for it though.
GPK will come back and there's no anxious to deny to this type.
Especially with the fuels and the ether revenue, GPK slices him, kind of a sigh of relief there from the Void Spirit, it's like, okay, we've got rid of the past, we've squashed the bug now, time to move out on the map.
Yeah, it's a lot of time though, again Void Spirit making these backwards moves, Sven has been farming, keeping pace with Ursa fairly well, and Puck, importantly, got to the blink and the Witchblade.
Now the two Midas isn't as quick by, will we see those be purchased as well? Not sure.
The Super Midas, just combined all three Midas.
Oh yeah, you should be able to upgrade it indefinitely, you know, or infinitely.
Infinity Gauntlet.
Yes, more Midas.
But yeah, this was a game where 12 minutes in, we had a 6k lead for Bed Boom, it was
10-0, it felt like it was just getting out of control, slipping out of the hands of
Navi, but all of these little delicate moves, the outplays, the reads on the map, something
that we've seen them do very well at, it's kept them in the game.
Zayac is going to sacrifice himself to keep PNA alive.
It still feels like Navi are not really going to be entertaining any ideas of fighting,
unless they have the perfect moment with a high ground hold or something.
We'll just wait out the ages for now.
Yeah, it's pretty impressive. They haven't fallen behind more despite that horrible start.
A lot of it is to this getting out on a map. Now we see a big move looking for a pick off.
Even just a kill and save would be nice for them.
Got Streak, doesn't he?
Oh, the spear, it's off the mark.
They don't have to ring-master properly, he gets the box off.
Ice Blast on the Sage should finish him off, though.
Shrines the pot through the mirror, but that's not gonna save him.
A mega-kill Streak ended as Riddies picks up a ton of gold.
Yeah, but they killed Niku down bottom as well.
Void's peered bottom with the Yule Scepter.
And now an ice path into a TP from GBK.
Miero blicks forward with a stop once a Sven.
BKB had a gut, the juicer though, turns and swings.
And a Stampede to disengage.
The damage not enough to deal with the spam by the Jules on the Mars will catch him in the end.
The TP out, optimistic, under the captain of EJK R1.
Rough for PMA. Mr. Nose Spear there, two missed Spears on the play on mid.
Unusual from him, but probably pretty stressed, obviously, so far behind here in this game.
And who did Niku die to?
He died to Jules by Void Spirit setting up into Centaur, following up with a stun, I think.
That was the sequence.
Oh yeah, Suntar actually stunned first and then the Jules and then the Hypnotize, there
we go.
Oh wow.
GPK is working on that agg and then Zep the next, so even more difficulties for Niku.
Obviously going for this Witchblade Blink build.
You said it doesn't feel natural to buy a Jules Zepter or anything like that.
So what, you're going to be forced to buy a BKB as the park at some point?
Yeah, Blink's done?
Oh, misses this time.
It gets immediately silenced.
The center are going for blink with the dominator and having a center next to him as well get the conqueror
He does threaten to change time you for quite a bit
Navi
Still have these moments showing they're not completely dejected in this game
I think that's been something we've seen through all those Eastern European qualifiers the past couple years back when they were
Na'Vi Junior, of course. They are pretty good at just keeping level-headed in a losing game,
finding little avenues, looking for that one moment where they can shine.
Usually through Zayac's actions, you know, seem to be very sneaky, but it also leaves him very
exposed to getting picked off when the bet boom read is right. I think they do need to start
looking for bigger kills than just the Ringmaster they found earlier, though. They have the combination
to kill anybody with the AA combo. Like, they straight up can kill Void spirits, the Ursa,
the centaur all of them are valid threat or valid targets so we might see them smoke up again and
look for it but for now kind of grouping towards bottom the gpk starts on park the wheel of wonder
and ice path massive damage to blow it up pma a defensive arena try to disengage from them but
a stamp here to gap close and a remnant catching him means pma is all locked down in that bottom
area of the map and bet boom pick up two core kills well got the juice he's got the pkd
Oh, the backer?
Whoa!
Well, it came on the last hit,
but it seemed like the damage was enough regardless.
But that was a long TP.
I think... yeah, did he TP to tower that someone TPed to?
No?
It felt long, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, that's definitely long.
Yeah, he started at 23 and 9,
and he was still TPing at 23-13, yeah.
This was... he must have double TP'd where someone else did.
He's gonna be blaming Xayas for TPing top 10 or whatever happened.
And that's rough man. That's really rough the layering here so good though chain disable the puck and PMA's thinking
Well, what am I meant to do over in this area? Yeah nice remnant onto the Mars here catching him very impressive stuff
And this is the part right be yeah, we're spirit already teepied. Oh
Yeah, and then the bash of the last hit is enough damage anyway
Yeah, that's the funny part. The funny part where Ursa just didn't get a single bash, but like seven hits in a row.
Yeah.
I think that's why he got a tip there from Centaur as well. He's like, what, your bash are good bro?
Yeah, are you serious? You want to drop it and pick it up again?
Make sure it's working.
Or attack it a bit. I've seen some juggernauts, you know.
Pumpfakes, I'm attacked.
That's cursed item. Stupid thing.
It's like when Ogre Manjai buys a Midas and he doesn't multi-cast, you're like, screw this thing.
Go buy another one
That's where you have to my this is cute of uh-huh, uh-huh also update on that never happened
The she was was in fact what he went for instead. He's still a thousand gold off completing the full she was I
Do like this a bit more than seeing a Midas on the puck. Do you like it more than a BKB though?
Because this happens over and over again where you get jumped and
Killed and Miro also found PMA a little bit deeper. Was that a solo kill from the center?
No, no, no, save was there.
I think BKB on Puck is almost always a skill issue if you need to go for it.
And that's my hot take of the day.
I think having to go BKB on Puck isn't a real thing.
Okay.
You should always be able to find some other item.
It could be a, you know, Yule Scepter, it could be Blink, it could be Octurine.
Like, there are a lot of things you can buy with this hero, and they will see a jump.
As with the Ursa.
That's fair enough.
Yeah.
But yeah, my hot take is that I think BKB is essentially not unbiable.
But yeah, I mean, it's just doesn't do anything
That productive is 4,000 gold to buy survivability on the most survivable hero in the game
and
The brother on discord all the other survivability items help you some other way
That's a nice move though
I will find the center with a combo but an ice path stampede and the bikini from Miero offering tons of protection through the glimmer cape and pipe
The magic damage is not enough. It's gonna. I thought he was dead
I thought so too, but quite tanky on the center. A lot of HP to go through.
The magic resistance with a pipe plus the BKB and then even the glimmer.
Ultimately could not burst him. That's rough. Very very rough. They didn't have all their ultis for it.
It was A ulti and the Sven ulti, so...
Yeah, yeah, you definitely need that kill. That's very costly, so now you got to reset again.
And fortunately, A is fairly low cooldown, but with this downtime, we already see Kyrgyz with the DD rune going in.
Yeah, you'll set her to delay them, and here they have the defensive TKB. Might not be safety still though, as Kyrgyz will come in,
curious wipe stacking up, gets the fast forward, a little grab, a grip of Xayath drags the Mars, a little close to the base,
but that's no save for your respite from the Bepum aggression.
Yeah, good offensive.
Got the juice.
has also been scouted.
Miro, mid-save alongside.
He's got the Wheel of Wanda to hypnotise up the span.
Got the juice.
Nothing left to do.
He's trying to get out on the map and farm,
but just keeps getting caught.
Nice words.
And they're onto the puck.
You will see him try and sit up.
222 to lose.
222.
The puck might be the 23rd, but does get away.
We need Navi to get the next kill here, Gareth, for the number, the reverse number.
I mean, honestly, anyone can get the next kill, it doesn't really matter at this point.
Or 10 more for Betboom?
Yeah.
That's not out of the realm of possibility, is it?
Yeah, they'll probably be able to.
Second Roshan's up.
Chasami's gonna scout it.
He's looking very, very aww. They even read the ALT.
He's still getting clipped by it. And Rage is scanning high ground to make sure there's no, like, putt nonsense or earth grit rolling in to try and steal.
Zayac, in fact, is gonna grab the wisdom shrine on the far left-hand side.
Yeah, Ursa. With Aegis, Agadamns, BKB, this is a monster. I don't know how you go through them twice.
I think they have to keep kiting, split the map. At least they went in and stole the wisdom, Zayac, being active.
Dary did a TP thing. He rolled through the side of the map and managed to get into the enemy base without revealing himself.
The courier is slapping water.
Yeah, because there's vision on the gates. If we look at the little barrier, then if you show yourself in that area, obviously the enemy sees you.
But if you roll off the edge of the map, you get repositioned in the enemy base, teleporting across, not showing yourself, then you blink even deeper.
He's trying to channel all his ninja moves here to try and win this one.
Yeah, just disassemble all the Earth Spirit Atoms, make them reappear somewhere else.
I had a bit of a stretch and relaxation for Xayatez, he's been doing a lot of heavy lifting and work this game.
Like the reason that Navi haven't tapped out, I feel, is because Xayatez is lane-cutting and courier sniping, actually giving them a chance to stay on the map.
If you were to get teleportation work in Gareth...
Oh god, here we go.
Say you go through a portal, you get disassemblated and reappear somewhere else.
It's one-to-one you are you've asked me this question before but is it really you or did you just perish and that's a clone
It's not you anymore
But this is where we get into that whole like a ship a thesis thing right you know if we take that if we take that all the
Planks would offer ship and then rebuild it one one plac at time
Yeah
Is it the same ship or not if you take all my atoms out my body and rebuild them somewhere else is it same as
The ship doesn't have a brain if I have all my thoughts at my conscience. I think it's still me
Someone has all your thoughts and conscience. They downloaded it's pirated that shit
I'll be happy being a clone. I will live my life happily knowing the fact that I killed my previous self to create a new clone of me.
As we're back in live, game continues.
Happy clone, as they say, happy clone, happy life.
Happy clone, happy, the meeple works to live by.
Doesn't rhyme, we'll go with it. We'll workshop that one, Richard, we'll workshop that one.
Up top they're looking to set up on the Void Spirit if he shows himself, he does have shield rune though, and he's going to be pretty wise about it.
it just using the remnants could have gone jump by four heroes but you can knock
out fall for that one I can accept the central now as well it wasn't hard enough
killing these bedroom heroes it was another layer of safety and save this
is strange though seeing Zayac in his own base not sniping courier stop stealing
stuff not not out there on the map awkward
BKB for Void Spirit too.
Oh no, they want to jump him.
He's going to play just safe. These spirits, they keep getting threatened.
30 minute mark is about to hit the Tormentor, he's going to spawn soon.
Might see Bed Boom make their way over.
Then again, 3 minutes on the ages, they might get ideas to go high ground.
One single pick off can definitely enable them.
Oh for sure.
Navi. Really desperate for this one moment to strike. Just to hold on to the game, but
every lane trending towards their base. He's got to be maintained. Oh, he's, he's bringing
tournament around. Sven, he wants to try and take it. Has his ulti. He's solid. I think
Buck is coming to help him. So long it would be a little bit hard, but yeah, pops the ulti.
They will know it.
The ulti was spent for this, I think.
I think that they're good enough on Bed Boom to realize that Sven didn't take this without
using ulti, not with Mars and, you know, Earth Spirit showing themselves in base all the
time.
There's go time.
So this might be a timing to abuse.
Yeah, I think they will, they will punch it here.
So all I need now is a little bit of vision.
A high ground wall.
Any hero, yeah.
It's a bit of info where the puck is potentially.
And Kiritich says, I am the info, I am the go.
on to Niku dead already. Ice glass off the mark as well. Now Puck does have Flyback.
You really don't want to use it at the same time, Sven.
Juggling. I think they're just going to sell the bottom
racks honestly. At this point AOT is on cooldown as well so they don't have anything to play
for. If AOT was ready you'd probably try with a buyback in Mars jumping someone. But
now just leave bottom racks, try and buy more time. The problem is, tier two towers
are a long distant memory, Gareth.
The entire base is open.
Age is not growing anywhere.
One and a half minutes on that.
They haven't got all the time in the world.
And you're right, Navi, just letting it crumble.
Watching as all of that structures.
They're expecting a wraparound.
We can see the drawings on Minimap coming out from BedBoom
saying that Navi will probably go around us.
So they're trying to keep their positioning really good.
Playing close together.
Getting dismantled.
Not the fastest building damage, but when no one is defending, the buildings do lose to the heroes.
It's like escaping to a prison with a spoon.
Slowly scraping away at the Mortar and Cement, holding together his Na'vi base.
New patch, Fury Swipes now works on buildings.
Yeah, please no.
God, no.
You would have the techies thing where you'd just go to a tier one.
Yeah, let's pick Lone Druid plus Ursa.
Tank with a bear, Fury Swipes with a tower.
Let's kill the tier one, minute one.
Kiritigus is just wondering, can I keep going?
But he's just timing out in 30, they didn't get a ton of ult.
They could go resets, it looks like his game kind of bored though,
I think he's just wanting to be done with this game.
23 to 2, I think they feel like they have what it takes to end this.
Last chance to loon for Na'Vi.
This big smoke, this Daedalus on Sven.
This move needs to pay off big time.
PMA jumps and misses the spear,
and GPK scouts them out in the back.
Curitich, you're stuck, comes down again.
Got the juice, has to BKB, trying to find a target, but doesn't find anybody, and Curitich just opens up on him!
Got the juice, dead, and GG immediately. We knew it was coming.
It's been an inevitability, the veteran would take this one, as they annihilate Navi.
Not much more to say, honestly. The panel was absolutely right.
This was a very, very problematic situation for Navi.
They couldn't get off the ground at all.
Lainey's stage was atrocious and we saw constant pressure coming out with a jikiro taking all the towers
It just fell too fast for them. Yeah, super hard from now. Navi, but super straightforward for Betboom
I mean, yes very straightforward for Betboom and I guess the worrying thing for navi and navi fans watching that was
Deja vu from yesterday when they played heroic in that first game. This was bad
Yeah, the difference being they GG'd out of that one when it became insurmountable here
It just went from bad to worse. Yeah, like this one
I mean I was saying it when the draft was kind of over
I'm just very like afraid for them and I think even without going into like technicalities of anything when you watch a
Pro game and you can understand that one team there is zero pressure on them at any point whether it's the lane the runes where you go
They can just play forward not really be afraid of anything. You know something is wrong
And if you look at this entire game
Navi have two kills. They got one when DB goes the tower. I'd like the tier 2 minute 12 or 13 when they were down here
10 to 0 and even know when they got the secondary kill. I guess it's this one on save. Yeah
Kendra and I I feel like we both share the same sentiment that we've said it again
I think it was on the day one of Valahia's like we never want to say that a draft is the main reason they lose
Like we we will proudly stand there and say this but my god
This was just ugly from Navi like the first 15 minutes of the game. I don't even mean the game
I mean the draft, the picking of the bat, picking of the bat in the hero.
Stop talking about the players.
No, I'm talking about the strategic minds behind this draft.
Like, in isolation, away from BB, this draft is good in certain line-ups.
Like, if you're playing against teams that match your style of play, this draft will
look really cool.
But when you see, I pick Marge, you pick Jakiro, I don't ban Ursa, you have Ursa.
I see your Jakiro Ursa lane, I'm picking Ursa for it.
I'm giving the free lane.
Not only is that a free lane you then mean jukiro has freedom to move to mid jukiro walks mid
He kills puck now voice for it who already is beating puck in the mid lane is now dump string on the mid lane
So it's like and this is only two picks deep into a draft
This is already unfolding like this is why we were so scared in the draft and now be the they never went
Let's solve these problems that we're creating for ourselves
Let's just double down on it and hope that we can create this moment of brilliance of the blast and the Sven in the puck
But yeah, I don't know for now V they put themselves in such a difficult position for no reason and you know, baby
Comfort across the entire board GPK 9-1 11 have an absolute dream of a game
Help by the jacquero help by his team killing everything
Rough kind of cooking with what they were doing, right?
But I will also go again
I think when you talk to pro players and like you asked them the thing they value
It's like the one word will be pressure like how you can pressure the mad weather you feel pressure
And I think for them, too, this just looks like a very easy game.
It's 28 and 2.
Everyone is free farming.
They get to do what they want.
I mean, obviously, BB, they played very well.
They made very nice moves.
Like, in the early game, you know, there's some stuff.
They go around.
They connect nicely.
Everything is nice.
But Navi, they've got to have a talk,
because something does need to be changed.
Or you're 2 and 2.
You know, maybe there's some emotion and feelings, exactly.
But now, you know, your back's against the wall.
If you lose another game, you're out.
Like, you know, let your emotions out.
Talk it out.
Make it happen.
Let's go back not too far in time to 6 minutes and 50 seconds, Thee.
Yeah, and this is where I really like how Bibi played out this early game, right, Shakira, who rotated to mid already.
He's helped kill the puck. Then he rotates to the bottom, GPK, goes,
You know what? You help me, I'll help you. And here for Navi, going for the fight at the post-7-minute mark.
They've already in their minds conceded. We're not going for the wisdom because they're trying to go for the central kill.
So they've lost double wisdom. They tried to go for a kill.
TPK has helped bottom, TP top killed the Sven, and then at the end of this clip, I believe
Tuck also comes into top lane and dies as well.
So it's like, at this minute mark, in the game where we already expect BB to be winning
the lanes, they broke the lanes as well.
And then you can see just the first pick Mars into then the Ursa response pick, it's like,
you just have to look at the fact that the Ursa is full-time chill.
Like, yeah, it's just really unfortunate for Navi and self-inflicted, to say the least.
Can I ask, because T said that the draft could work, obviously all drafts can, it's the beautiful
thing about Dota, it's the right situation, but what's the thought process in, if we can
see it here on the desk, who's meant to interrupt and go, guys, this is a bad idea, who's meant
to interrupt?
I mean, I think it can be anyone, you sometimes get into this thought of, well, we're just
going to play our style, but I think obviously, whether it's your gameplay or your draft,
It has to correspond to what the enemies are doing too, right?
Like your gameplay will change depending on who you play against.
If there's a top-side mid lane in the other team, your game will drastically change.
If there's a tinker, if there's a meepo, it's the same story.
And I think here, like for Navi, there's so many small things you could talk about.
Like you pick the AA, which then makes the next double pick for BB so easy.
If I'm Mars, I want teamfight. I don't want an Earthspirt.
He's going to grief my lane, but then maybe we get through the lane.
Maybe we get to minute 10-15.
He's not helping me kill guys in my arena.
He's going to roll around, you know, save some guy, maybe drop a magnetized like on a creep wave.
So it's like it's not what I want. So even like for them as players like I just feel sad watching because I know this feels shit
But it's frankly put but then like we just saw the draft as well to me
It's like, you know, you're picking Mars. Let's say they don't change the mid the earth for a situation, right?
Then at least you need to pick a mid laner that isn't already in a like losing CS matchup
Because if you're picking a double mid off lane to concede the off lane and play for your own farm giving them farm too
You have to have a mid lane that can rebuttal against a two versus one
Yeah, but you have to be ready for that like Navi just weren't ready for the fact that Shakiri will win bot lane walk mid win mid lane
And it's like I don't know. I just I'm actually like annoyed talking about this game
Legitimately to me. It just feels like unacceptable to have this type of draft against like BB
And not because not like Navi, of course, we praise teams when they draft for themselves
They draft their own ideas
But like when I see picked from BB and I'm like, that's a problem. That's a problem. That's a problem
And now he's like we're gonna do our thing
I expect the play to match it if you pick things for yourself to be confident the play has to match it
We're showing a seven-minute clip. There's nothing there. It's like yeah play and draft was just egregious like reset
Also check in with the game state at 29 minutes. Oh, yeah, sure. Oh, no. This is actually a praise for Nabi
Yeah, okay. I like this. Yeah, I
Only reason look at the minimum all the way in the bottom left of spirit, right?
He's having a bad game. Of course, it's 22 for two 22,000 gold lead
I actually like the idea that he's rolled in place a steep ward and the reason why it's cool is because couriers movement
Tells you where people are going right so if you place a ward here you see where the courier is going you already infine
Okay, guys earth's top the courier is going top right so when you're this far back
You're playing for a pickoff if you see an earth a courier going top you can quickly go smoke bottom
Maybe you get that one pick off you get that third kill of the game
You then get something to cling on to so that ward could have been the start of a beautiful smoke an initiation a fight anything
And we didn't really get to see it play out
But the fact that Navi's thinking about it shows that they are very very strong at doing this
It's it's like when you can't do anything you need to find purpose like though
There is a game of seconds like make something happen the problem is they're down like 22,000 gold at minute 25
So obviously it is hard to play but to go back to the point of gameplay because most drafts even if you get out play
you have small glimpses of gameplay, but he showed the clip at minute seven.
Maybe this move can work if you play for it in a way where if Sven is old,
maybe you have enough damage to kill the guy, but your Sven is level five.
So that's like this one big play that you had that could have worked.
It turned against you. They get three kills.
So like you need to be like up on the money and like really understand, okay,
even if it's hard, find the pieces you need, connect them together, do it nicely.
And then maybe there is a game to be played because this time around,
there was no game to be played.
Nope.
Right, well guys, maybe after this quick break we'll get a game to talk about, we'll see
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Okay, welcome back. Not much to really talk about with that first game, but we're going
to talk about the upcoming game too between Na'Vi and Betbom. Just a quick question for
the panel thinking about that first draft. Obviously they last picked the puck on the
Na'Vi side and it was already put counters on the board. Would the game have been drastically
different had they selected something else? Like they had the AA, they could have potentially
took the host guard themselves, it was available, you know.
I personally think it doesn't make a big difference because I'm at least under the impression
that by that point this draft is in a dumpster.
Blue ball.
Like it's quite bad.
Like sure you can look for something else
where maybe because you know your sight lanes are bad,
like maybe you pick a hero that can like just be made like forever
and like be annoying or like so pressure in a way
where they come to you but like you're not killing them.
Cause like I don't know, I'm playing puck in this game
and like you look bottom, you're like, okay,
my two guys are getting royally destroyed.
I mean one thing to go for Richie's point is at least with puck,
it's a hero that it's not as if,
Like there's multiple ways to beat it through, else yesing it, having stun, you could maybe
argue maybe taking like an ember or a different hero for Niku, that's maybe more stable in the lane,
more map playing, without the need of like I need coil, I need witch bit, I need this,
like play more on levels than the items, could have been a better option for them,
it would have given life to the ancient apparition, you want cheap constant damage,
puck does that, but later into the game, so.
Oh, you're poking this game guys. That's true. Because EPR like nope, poke it off this time. Classic one of course.
What do we got? You know you get the warlock, yeah like in all the other games, it's very nice.
Navi don't shy away from the Mars, I do hope we get a bit of a swap up when it comes to like the fallout that he has around himself.
You know, you could look for a Rasta out of phase if Sylas wants to like play more like range instead of melee,
But overall, what I want to say is like, Urgekiro, Phoenix, like, help out this guy that if he has a bad lane, this hero's fallback has always been, you have an arena, you get blink, you get to play the map, you get to play the teamfights in the midgame.
If he doesn't have this and he loses the lane, this hero becomes a non-factor very fast.
It's also a very different Mars game. I know it's like pick order, but seeing a Warlock epic Mars, like, it's not as if Warlock's going to run to the mid lane, kill some mid.
It's like it's a lot more of a static damage of a time type here. I'm a healer guy. I'm a feather ones in the wave
It's very different. I think Navi already isn't shying away. Okay. Let's take a second
Let's breathe mid lane is not under threat from the five position
My Mars will be off the farm sure it can be a little bit annoying sometimes, but
Also warlock into Navi kind of promotes the double melee concept for them, right?
But you want to play double melee against warlock
You want to play away from the fatal bonds drag the waves make the warlock never get a grimoire charge
So I think Navi is going to be quite happy, and of course they do go for the double melee,
but again, Warlock is a big indicator at enabling that.
I mean, it is interesting in a way that I think that Kes is one of Navi's best heroes,
and they've now gone to Bannet in both games.
I understand it in game one, you know, you have Mars, they have the pick out of phase.
In this game, you know, there's a world where you could consider, you know,
we can ban something, take the Kes yourself, but because they don't want to,
they have to ban it to protect their Mars,
the Mars, what it means that you know BB get to play the bear back in a very
similar scenario. They don't have as much aggression but he will free farm and
there's no stopping it.
Very spooky. BB is pretty much, there's something about them where they really
are reminding of you like hey if you're picking Mars and you're never playing in
the map, we are just gonna pick heroes that get punished by the fact that you
you don't do anything. Like, Shadow Demon Wallo in theory, if they don't break out of
lanes with a little bit of gold on their cores, these heroes just exist, right? They're waiting
for things to happen. They're waiting for the Disrupt. They're waiting for the gold
on play. And now they're like, well, yeah.
I mean, I just, I don't like this 13 pick. Like, I personally don't understand, like,
this Nick's Assassin because, in my opinion, so you have the choice between Kaz and Ursa.
You can only ban one. They're both going to destroy your Mars. So if you know the Ursa
is coming out. Why don't you take SD on 13? He can play 4 and 5. He's good against the
Ursa where you know he's kind of coming out anyway. Because is this Nix really running
away from you? Probably not. There's a high chance I'm just going to look for like a Jekiro
plus 1 here on Navi. At least that would make sense. But I still think like while you ban
1, Ursa does the same thing. They just dumps you in game 1 with like a very similar lane.
You're replaying it and you're not really adjusting much. At least that's what it looks
like to me. Of course, they're second pick. They have other picks that can come out to
covered but for now I feel like they're running into a similar problem. Yeah and at least for
Riddies right? The heroes he's played so far in the tournament has been Warlock, Phoenix,
Inter-Eparation. I don't think I want to see AA again. I can see them maybe going for it for the
idea of Nix and Mars utilizing it, ha ha, pick off potential that we saw last time. The support
maybe not being as aggressive on the map could give a reason why they want to try it once more but
surely he can play Jakiro. I mean you just take Jakiro surely. But again I would like to see that.
Wasn't there a thing about him not playing it that much?
Something like that. I mean, I know that SD is a pretty decent laner into Jokiro.
Like he's one of the fours where when you disrupt him, he actually beats himself in the face,
you know, with the facet and the double attack. But overall, it's just good.
Like the AA I would prefer not to see. Of course, Phoenix is banned and they do have the Ursa.
Okay, no, he does play a lot. I don't know why. Maybe I just...
If you're a fighter, you don't play Jokiro right now. Where have you been?
Have I just been dreaming about panel segments and making up fake stats in my dreams?
For some reason I had this, I must have had a dream about Riddies to Kiro, not playing it on my last.
Must be impossible. Well, good thing I double tracked it. He does play it, it's fine.
Sixth place, most paid hero for him.
It's nice to know that even when you're resting, you're working too.
That's how much you'll have done, even in these dreams, he's at work with the evening.
That's what Dota does to you.
I also actually had a dream that we were working at P. Gelavent,
and it was in Tokyo. Holy bass, I want to be in this. I told you this is one.
Wow. Like I woke up in like a hot spot, like, oh, I'm gonna release my Tokyo panel.
Now everyone's gonna think they're like foreshadowing the next Lahi in the old Tokyo.
Okay, so let's see. You do get the storm. I like this quite a lot. I think it's good against
the double sub, also against Ursa. I think you have, you know, like more place you can go on here,
maybe poke the old. Also, again, you have Nyx Storm, like Nyx once kill combo. Storm Nyx kills
all around the map obviously you know BB are going to have good picks to close out the phase
whether it's a puck and ember I think this one makes more sense if you're flameguard you can
actually live through it a bit maybe some mage player or just tank up normally so they're happy
but I think Navi found a good pivot to like bring more actual like playability to their own draft
I mean there's skirmish there's there's life to it I mean you just see jacquero you instantly
kind of identify that right and I mean ember into nips is always a fun one right nips can find you
and carapace you, but it's like you kind of need more explosive damage behind. Storm kind
of does it, so there might be moments where Nix gets to counter ember, but I think in theory
ember is going to be perfectly fine. You're going to see us against the storm really nicely.
It's going to be all about the rune contest, something that Na'Vi failed in the last game.
Warlock SD kind of can do it. I think 8 minute plus, Warlock will happily do it. We've got
him. Before that, SD is going to need to be there with disruption, but in regards to
broad damage, Navi needs to be there. Maybe the 4-minute rune has to be there at the 6-minute rune.
And you have to play on the fact that both Spirit Heroes here really will thrive if they get just the one up on that.
I mean, that's definitely one of the bigger adjustments, I think, for Navi support, like you just said.
I would actually give them the edge, at least for now, when it does come to those runes, because last game, you know, BB, they just gut everything.
You're going to have GPK who gets every rune. I think this game, it can be quite a bit different.
Do they have damage problems on Na'Vi, where outside of lanes and like the early occasional
smoke or whatever, Nix to Kira, it's okay, Storm with a witchblade can be annoying for
supports at least, but killing Ember and Ursa, maybe you can kill just one.
I'm still worried that there's this like inevitable like one, two item timing on B.B.
where Na'Vi haven't found many kills and it just looks better on paper like the items
that B.B. bring compared to Na'Vi where they're still kind of chasing like the big ticket
item off for sure.
especially like into the SD Warlock, you know, you got some, some Pavis, you know, some SDW, you have some Warlock heal that's coming out.
It's like these guys, they don't really instantly kill, so they definitely do have to fix that, I think, on the last pick.
I like the Abaddon down a lot. Even though it doesn't bring like the big damage, it's just like constantly providing sustainability.
That Jakiro, Ice Path delay, Knits, Carapace, Arenas and Storm Zipping in and out, Abaddon just standing in the middle of the entire time, like Radiance, Radiance, Radiance.
It's like, it would have been really just obnoxious to play him too.
What can that be an indicator for?
I thought even before seeing Bans, there was a world where Navi will see the offline pick first,
but something like a Murata could be decent.
It has an okay matchup into the Ursa, and you have front line for you.
The Bans would help.
I was maybe thinking of having a Tidehunter in this game, could be quite cool,
but then their Bans don't really super indicate this pick coming out.
Let's see if we can see Osvaldo. Very good in lane. Even against like...
I mean, you're not really going to see ranged heroes too much.
Like, you're not going to go like gyrocopter here, because I think Ursa naturally enjoys that matchup.
To try and threaten him. But Osvaldo is going to give a lot of life to Menta, Roshan,
and that movement. Ember likes it with Sly.
I'm going for a troll. Okay.
Here we just don't see Twofan.
Historic, I mean, first pick of the tournament.
Yeah, but on paper against very heavy right-clicking lineup ember versus slardar
Welling axes will do a lot, but there's quite a lot of kiting in play for BB. You've got disruption
You've got purge. You've got roots and then just yeah, hmm. I like it, but I'm still I'm still a little worried for coffee
Do you like it me compared to the last draft? I'm okay. Well, that's anything I was I was you must commit
Do you like it really?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right.
I like it, but I'm also on defense, because-
You have to have a clear-
No, no, no.
We don't do it once.
You want a clear opinion?
Yes.
I like it against Slardar Ursa, but I think it will lose, because I think overall, while
it probably does what you're looking for-
Sounds like a fence opinion just to be clear.
He's trying to do it.
Yeah, like, okay.
I'm just gonna say it's- I mean, the thing is- I have to be real and say it's good against
the heroes, but it won't be good in the game.
Yeah.
So I think they're gonna get like the stuff that they want like on Navi and so on but in this mid game
I still think while he's good against like Ursa and slaughter in a vacuum
I think when they get to jump you together
You actually have a threat of being killed full to zero and there's like there's an SD all there's other things
So I like Navi's rest a lot more than in game one and like you said that doesn't mean much because they're
Game one draft was dumpster tier all that matters is Navi
Niku had a pretty rough game last time around and the supports felt lost
They actually have supports that have purpose on the map and they have a mid laner that, if activated, can break the map, the early game, and bring life to a troll that needs to buy a furion of items.
So I don't care about the troll, I don't care about the Mars, it's about the double supports and Niku, they have to step up in this game.
Alright, well we're going to see if they're able to. I will now hand you over to a couple of my favourite trolls.
Wagon Manor and Gareth.
Come on, we've been nothing but kind to you.
You're a lovely, lovely people.
Off we go into game two here, as T was saying.
A lot more direction, purpose, agency for the other heroes,
being able to play the map and get stuff done.
But Wagon, you were looking at this last pick
and thinking about a different hero, not the Troll.
Yeah, I mean, I was thinking a Terribleid
could be a big hero for Navi as well.
That would be a really classic counter against the Slaughter,
does well against the Ursa, he could Sunder in.
But going for the troll, I think the troll fits very well as well.
It's basically equally good against the heroes, but a different direction in how he plays.
I'm going to say that I think Navi's draft here is stronger in my opinion than Bedboom's.
Like quite a lot. I think they're in a good spot.
The lane is still going to be problematic down bottom.
It's Mars against Ursa. We saw what happened last time.
It's going to be favorite for Ursa.
Ursa Warlock is always going to secure that he gets an early battlefield.
That will happen.
But, on the other hand, we now have Zayac on Nyx. He is, if not the best player on Nyx in the world.
If anyone's gonna make it happen on this hero, it's him.
And, I really think the safe lane looks tons stronger than EA's Sven.
Jinhiro Troll? That's fucking power.
It's so strong.
That's an incredibly toxic lane. So much damage.
And, the fact that Troll here is into a game where there aren't any silences, the stuns are kind of loose, you don't have hard lockdown or hexes,
He's gonna be able to get off all his spells, his battle trance and be able to chase people down, net up the Ember Spirit,
root the Slardar, catch people out.
And it could look like a good game for Got the Juice for sure.
And obviously, Niku on the Storm Spirit had a rough one on the puck, but this time around,
compared to last time when puck could not connect with the Earth Spirit,
Storm much better at jumping in to help the next assassin find openings.
Yeah, certainly. I think on the Spirit matchup overall,
Storm does fine in this lane. I think Ember is the better spirit overall in the patch though and has kind of proven that
Over time we've seen it in win rates as well. He's just you know more successful throughout the world
Yeah, but but they have active heroes on Navi last time they struggled with making moves
They struggled to get any connections obviously only got the two kills got the entire game now
I don't really see them having that issue. Yeah panel highlighted Nick's Nixon storm combo
They're gonna be able to light someone up
Yeah, it's felt like Ember Spirit's trajectory from laning stage to that kind of breakdown of lanes 10 minutes in or so
With the urn in particular is just such a great thing that Storm Spirit doesn't have
Now we've seen people go for this like grieves on storm to try and give that a little bit of oomph in the
Early mid game, but it's not quite as well hasn't been quite as good as the Ember Spirit who can just keep on chasing keep on killing
Yeah, it's very true. Storm does run out of resources a bit and they don't have anything like a coddle to reset him
So he'll have to make his jumps work, but that's where I see a lot of combinations once Mars gets a blink
Nix is sneaking around and they even have good damage coming through on the other support the plus five
Chikiro can throw in a macro pirate help take down some kills
And historically ember spirit versus storm spirit there's been a lot of you know patches back and forth one hero beats the other
Then vice versa remember the old clip of we are versus eternal envy having that age old conversation of who beats home
Yeah, where are we now there were a bunch of one-view ones being played back then to see who wins against each other
It's still skill based matchup where you can like slide a fist dodge the remnants. We see it
GPK doing it already on mid lane. I think overall
It's mostly a farm lane to be honest if we rarely see anyone get a kill on it
So far GPK is perhaps out playing a little bit just getting two more denies and getting those CS going
And as you can see it's always like attempting or succeeding in slightly fist dodging the damage
Yeah, back then people were rushing Blightstone to try and chip away at people as well, not something we see at all nowadays.
So far, so good for both of the midlaners.
As we did peer into that bottom lane, a double wave grabbed up by PMA to drag behind his tower,
while Kuretich is going to lap up what remains of the wave over near his little stream.
Yeah, overall the pulls are being blocked a lot and shenanigans are a balance.
That's usually how lanes go against the Ursa with melee heroes.
You want to offset and create imbalances in the lane.
What does mean it's a little more challenging for the next assassin to try and courier snipe
when there are a couple of heroes gravitating towards that.
In between spot, between the towers.
Dekuura is closing in on that level 3 power spike.
Level 1 level 2 Dekuura is strong but not insane.
Well but GPK taking a lot of damage.
Power hits.
Well he still had a fairy fire so he's calculated that one but a lot of resources burnt there
as Niku.
And he's getting pinged out by the amber. Seems like GPK is saying, somebody come over here and we can just kill him.
He has the searing chain. Niko has to be very cautious. There's a blood grenade and a searing chain, but it's going to be fine for now.
Soon we have water runes bonding. If they can hold the top one with Shadow Demon, Amber probably still won't be able to go for the bottom one though, because he's right now very low HP.
And Diavation has already come across as well.
as well.
Katoma is also coming, so yeah, they are going to control both the water runes.
And no help for the poor storm.
Slight change to start.
No follow through, but you're right.
Nothing going there for Niku, and that's a couple of games in a row now.
As Ursa left alone though, look at them.
They're chasing after him, left grenade-ing, diving in a tower, zapping him down.
Nice bit of heal though, and Kyrgyzch will turn around.
A burst heal and shadow word on him, but a TP out to the next assassin.
Zayac, out of the grasp of the bear.
I'm not really able to punish the absence of the Warlock.
Niku, very fire up, try to heal under the tower, Vortex, Dragback, but first blood, FGPK, at least Riddies will TP in to trade.
That's a happy Jukiro, he gets to level 4 from that, gets to take a little bit of blast at some mid as well.
But nice solo kill there, got by GPK.
And top lane, they got disruption into Crush, got the juice, big body blocked up.
I'm not going to be able to kill him, but putting him in that half HP threshold where maybe he's a little more uncomfortable to play the lane.
Yeah, incredibly hard to ever go for a kill as a slaughter against the tool, even with him being alone.
My whirling axes.
Yeah, miss chance really messes with the bash. Damage output.
Very annoying.
Well they used a lot of these little timings, right?
Bottom lane we've dived, just walk move, top lane we've dived with Shakira move, everyone's spotting these witnesses.
Now, Riddies has come back up top, lancronating and giving the damage over time on to Miro.
They've got the juicers, again, dropped low enough, and this is off of that first move, where they put him at half HP,
and now the second move, he's not allowed to stick around and continue fighting.
If this top lane has gone much better than Miro should have been able to get, I would say, 21-1 last hits against the 28-9,
sure, Troll has a few extra denies, but Slaughter has not really been punished the way that can happen on this matchup.
accomplishing a whole lot especially compared compared compared compared to the
PMA Mars down the bottom lane 14 and 8 definitely lacking in the last hit
department yeah it's not being grown great obviously warlock and Ursa super
oppressive six-minute rune, Zayac, searing chains and burnt down by the flame
guard and they will scout the stack as well turn that into more and this is a
Juicy stack as well triple stack
Chippy K says great. I've got regen room
I've got infinite resources here to take this and then return to lane might even think about going bottom
Yeah, that's really massive. Yeah, because naturally sticking around so he couldn't go we see Nick's keeping in again
He's kind of realized the ember still here
Not able to solo kill the next some full HP
Definitely hanging around for the wisdom which is spotting in 30 seconds
I'm curious if Riddies will go and try and steal on the left-hand side, getting that
information that people are starting to die bottom.
Besides, will die to the neutral creep, as Ember Spirit did chase him out of that ancient
area.
And PMA wanders across, sees Keratich, gets the spear back, but GBK's arrival will change
to trap him up and some body blocks, trying to get the Ursa in line, not able to gap close
on him.
just to get the wisdom shrines, the double yet again for Bet Boom.
Things are working out really well.
It's not as one-sided as the previous game, but the early game is just being played cleaner by Bet Boom,
getting a lot for themselves.
Double wisdom is going to secure that they will get a really nice timing on this Warlock Golem and even the SD ulti as well.
Now, good thing for Navi is that Redis did get a ton of experience on his Dekiros.
He's level 5. Highest level of the supports despite getting no wisdom. That's kind of rare to see.
I'm super happy with that kill on the Ember Spirit.
I guess
PMA here. Trying to set up for something.
Catapult wave with a Shadow-Worded Ursa, getting some good damage on the tower.
PMA has a spear, but Kiritish being healed up.
Sends him on the tower, but the turnaround play with the fatal bonds
Seems like PMA a little uncomfortable. They need this additional rotation. Got the juices trolled.
Eight minutes in, keeping bottom, but still unable to finish a kill.
And now with save coming in, a banish and a jump, heritage turns back.
And Na'Vi, feeling overconfident, looking for any kills and reactions they can find, getting picked apart.
As Zyath is burning down with that little urn tick on him, gets into the roast pit and denies himself again.
again.
Is that a 3?
Sylas is just farming different ways to die.
He's died to the ancients, died to the roach, died to the ember.
He's finding all the different enemies that can take him down.
That's a really painful move though.
Got the juice keeping down there.
Ultimately they didn't have Storm ready to TP and join for the kill.
If Storm had mana and TP ready, that would have been a super easy kill on the Ursa.
He was only level 5 sitting right in front of the tower.
They spear and pushing towards the tower.
But Storm not being ready and got the juice trying to be the one to come down there
Resulting in nothing is not only failing him, but that also allowed Slardar to have a ton of time undisturbed
All the making really happy gets to sit top lane now Niku will join up with a jikiro pops a lotus at a fairy fire
But that magic damage burst will bring it down
It's an important kill that they got at least just allow jikiro to do some poking on the tower, but
Ember is sniping courier, so I think he realises.
There's that camp.
He's dragged that wave in there.
And I guess this is the period now where we're just going to be seeing got-the-juice farm jungle camps.
Trying to get to that battle fury so he can scale up.
He tried his one aggressive move. I think now he's going to chill.
He's like, guys, I already spent time trying to help you.
It didn't result in anything. We just lost the fights.
I threw myself, you know.
Now he's going to go and hit creeps.
Still a very similar game though for both Aresa and Troll. Similar net worth, similar itemization, get that bath, get it farmed.
This is concerning though, level 3 and a half at 10 minutes. It's not that he isn't level 6 at 10 minutes, which is already kind of sad.
He's not level 4 or 5.
That's rough.
Where's the term of wisdom? Where's the term of knowledge?
What can I borrow your book please Katomi?
He basically needs mid lane. I think he needs to sit there but that's where Ember also just dove him so he's trying to be leeching experience but great ward on the mid lane as well.
Having no tier 1s made all bottom lane makes it very hard for when they support through behind to try and catch up.
He can't just go and kill creeps either.
It's also a fact that the spear vessel is complete on Ember so now he has enough damage to solo kill him.
And with the haste runes moving top, they want to get this troll.
There's a big commitment, Ursa's here too.
Let's see Riddies first.
They want to dive in deeper though,
around to the troll in the fact where Ursa,
alongside the Ember Spirit, is chasing him down.
And got the juice, not even going to bother popping ulti there.
Tried to deny it to Neutrals, but
it's finished off by GPK, while Riddies getting finished off as well by Miero.
In the mid lane, Storm is being defeated by an Ember Spirit.
GPK feeling very bold, aggressively diving under tower.
Oh, sorry.
BuripasalonNiku is going to get him a solo double kill.
GP came and he's popping off. He's killing everything right now.
He was top lane a second ago.
Yeah, he had a haste rune and they didn't respect it enough.
He made it all the way over there.
GP K is the man of the hour. 5-1 and 0.
That's cruising!
5600 net worth.
I'm in a grand old time.
He's got a face boots too so he can keep the high tempo going.
Just run as people. I think that makes a lot of sense.
The armor against troll also feels really nice. Yeah
Not bad at all. And meanwhile while he's creating all this base, Kyrgyz just like, yep
I hit creeps, getting my battle fury, good thing my team is owning
It was only moments ago where we saw them dead even the troll in the air so but now that
RSA is starting to gap the troll
His battle fury will come back much faster
There's been a lot of pressure on to the poor troll and also the one move he made
Let's not forget that Bid slow down his farm a lot as well
Pyrena again is aiming for the Yule Scepter and Blink, the Yules against Ursa make so much sense into the Enrage.
Only so many ways that Troll can farm right now and SD and Warlock, they realize this, they're moving in, checking, they see camps on the left, so they're gonna check on the right, they see him.
Not the classic ganking squad.
Yeah, they're here, the SD ulti is gonna ruin any dream of survival as well I think.
They've sent the drones in to scout, Ember Spirit's not gonna get the catch on Got the Juice though, so that's gonna signal the end as the die also did scan that.
scanned that so troll felt it coming nice got the juice can keep farming oak from
navi so they've seen this move come across and they want to try and react
here to the tower push they drop the golem as bet boom on tier one can they
fight this I guess we're more steeping maybe it still seems like a rough one
yeah it's the last level four they don't really have a big item right there's no
mech yet it's being delivered for the storm they don't really have the old
Yeah, they think better of it the back out they realized that better more all together
This was more move that wanted to find a pick off they want to find a single hero
Maybe Ursa maybe ember alone and then could work. It's observable though a defensive one by the raiding ancients has seen Niku slip in behind
He's gonna go for the high ground TP
to stop him
Smart get to safety nearer is gonna say thanks. You brought the ancient low HP for me
I can quickly clear and finish these, and that will push him very close to his blinktagger.
And that will be a dangerous timing, when Ember, already being high mobility, gets joined by the Slaughter,
having his blinktagger, and then Ursa getting blinktagger later on.
The full jumping squad is going to be online.
Nowhere safe.
You might not even have time to react. You know, there's ball lightning and battle trams.
Very good defensive tools to be able to get your out of danger if you get jumped on from a fog.
You just don't have that ability to react.
S-Torm is going for the Grieves' builds.
Trying to give himself a man on HP for his team as well.
And do what you can to keep that sustain going.
I think more problematic is the morse.
It doesn't even have the ULT to get.
Is he close to 6 on Nex?
No.
Not that close. He's level 5, so 5 is a number that's in the proximity of 6.
It is.
But as far as 5 goes, he's 5 and 1 quarter, so yeah, he needs a lot more.
I guess he's a third of the way.
Not a fun game for him though, at all.
No, it's cracked 2K net worth though, that's a...
Unfortunately, I think network doesn't even matter much for a Nyx,
because it's all about whether you have ulti, can run around and find pick-offs set up for your storm.
And right now, he's not doing that.
Cause that was the whole point, right? Nix unlocks the storm to play aggressively.
Yeah, and that's not happened at all in the first 15 minutes of the game,
and that's making Niko's impact on this game very, very difficult.
Yeah, in effect, you've lost the impact of two heroes, just through one having a bad game.
Very hard desires.
Navi on the back foot completely here, deep on their side of the river.
A line of heroes just farming neutral camps to try and get to these primary item timings.
Very comfortable on the other side for Betboom with a 4k lead.
Ember Spirit shining golden on the school board as well.
Ready to strike into the hearts of Narvi as they gather up in mid.
He's got to lead the way for his team as well I think.
Thinking about going in, he knows there's probably a ward on the high ground, but he will brave it.
They give him the heal, he can lead the way.
They have to play so confidently.
Ward is great in, under enemy vision.
They'll get the golem drop on the Mars with a fatal boss on three massive damage to blow up PMA.
Miku has to dip away.
He does have Cairnchains soon, Jikiro doesn't really have the luxury of jumping.
Amiro...
I didn't see him.
Nice TP.
Well done by Riddies.
Yeah, I found a nice little pocket to TP out in.
But again, with the golem, just laying into the mid tower.
It's uh, it's roast time soon, huh?
16 minutes.
DD for Orisa.
Or DD for GPK.
I don't know.
Yeah, or so I don't.
Doesn't even need it.
Let GPK have it since he's the one owning the game right now.
I thought they would have just walked into the pit with that, but they want to go for more kills.
They are hungry boys.
Keep playing into this area.
With the rated scan.
You see a jikiro.
Jewelship is still on cooldown.
Not the Mars again.
PMA.
He just wants to covenate some creeps and finish off an item.
I like the little thing they do, by the way, detail on GPK right there.
Sends in the Remnant, then Slider Fists, and then uses Searing Chain.
That way he guarantees, even with a full creep wave there,
Mars has no percentage chance of not getting hit by a Searing Chain.
A lot of Embers would just Slider Fist and try and Searing Chains,
but throwing the Remnant is like a nice little micro detail that makes a difference.
Oh, I thought for a moment there they'd go for a step-up on GPK,
but that's a level 12 1500 HP Ember.
Level 4 Flamethrower, but they're still gonna go for it!
Oh, I got the damage! They sure do!
Big kill for Niko, 500 gold there.
Maybe a start to something, important experience as well, getting from this.
And that's how important that Nix level 6 is, he literally gets it and they get a kill on a big hero.
An immediate takedown, it will not stop the Roshan D'Ola, that boom of course, and do it easily with just the two of the offlane that we carry.
But this gives him some time to start sieging up on the tower, Mars is farming top, he might
be the target.
And his jumps, quickly taken down, Slardar, the double blink timing we talked about earlier.
I said nowhere there to live, unhabitable across the map for the Mars.
He's completely left behind, I mean at this point he's joining the supports, look at the
net worth, he's closer to his supports than he is to the cores at this stage.
Yeah, he will not have an impact. If this game is going to be a win, it needs to be on the back of Troll and Storm going absolutely insane.
Yeah, someone's got to be the sacrifice when the Troll is taking up all the farm.
Still looking pretty decent though. Storm and Troll, second and third of the net worth, not too far behind the Eurasian.
So Navi are keeping up in that regard.
Yeah, farm is a matter of yes you'll have damage and gap closed but will you have team
fighting control if you're Mars and able to actually get in there?
Yeah positioning will be a really important thing getting on the back line those two back
line supports Storm, you're trying to get to safety, that's a lot of mana to keep jumping.
Riddie is going to show himself though, I'm sat behind the Storm spread as a back cap
buddy plant, I'll be the freebie for GBK.
The day is storm will make it back and keep farming a little bit on the way not being chased for now
It's ever so difficult to get out on the map and with the ages or a second solo hold the top area
Even though it's a scary thing to be left alone farming while your team is playing bottom
Kyrtik is not showing any signs of fear yet
We'll keep some respect and just back out though realizing he has the ancients to go and clear
So, Nixulty is ready again. 40 seconds now for the Tormentor.
That pick-off could be massive for Navi before that.
It's difficult to find individual Bat-Boom heroes though.
Divergent is pretty good up here, seeing the Ursa, Slardar and the Warlock all approaching
the top left corner.
They aren't gathering their forces in the northern jungle.
Radiant have scanned the storm moving from mid to top, so Betboom have a pretty good idea that Navi are in the area.
Navi aren't that weak right now, they're the Yulsepter, they can lift Ursa and just keep him away.
And it's just Ursa Warlock. Slardar have shattered even Amber Spirit, they're playing from mid up through top.
We could have a wraparound with a pincer effect, but a Yulsepter catching this blink from Slardar.
Miero is tagged up, attracted in the arena. Vortex stuns, the save, hang on.
Disruptions there for the macro player in place and a good stun from the nix, Niku gets the kill.
Riddies gets munched on by the air so though, as Amperspirit dodges the spear, gets on PMA, and another take down.
Navi though, pretty happy in some regard, they've got a kill.
I thought they got something and tried to get out of here, not going to be able to survive on the Mars of course.
So top Tormentor will fall, but they created more space again for the troll, he needs to get some key items.
Manta style is going to be a second item after the battle, Fury.
Very important game to get some dispells going for him against the Searing Chains, the Fatal Bonds.
It could be a scary thing if you pop ulti as Troll, and you don't really die, but you have Fatal Bonds on you, your entire team could get deleted.
Oh, true, yeah.
I think we need to think about the act of that later on.
Look at the golds.
There's one piece.
How many bounty rooms?
No one's been down here.
He's gonna enjoy them slowly if you look at him, the connoisseur, oh he has drink y'all.
Still a little bit of tasting.
Been a while since someone was in that area.
Nice bounty room platter.
The charcuterie of Dota.
It's really just one thing though, it's literally one item, but I guess they have different amount of gold accounts.
They got different types of cheddar cheese.
You want the 52 gold bounty, fine year?
I guess now it's not aged anymore, is it? You can't have the farmhouse vintage cheddar cheese for you know aged for 12 months
No, they spoil over time
They're gonna probably add that soon make bountains give less and less gold the longer they sit there pick them up faster
They're decayed quicker. Hang on
They knew who was there. They see him
Hello, how are you doing? That's a nice jump with the
With the slaughter, but then the blinks couldn't get onto the high ground
Got the juicers farming under enemy vision, they're going through the gate but he's using
Mantis now to scout if someone's coming and he does see them.
There he heads up.
So that's where they wanted to be ward but it's still spooky up there, kills a sentry
and then runs away.
Yeah, I think it's better, let's just stay, fight another day.
For how bad the game is going, there are only 5000 gold behind, which honestly isn't that
think of a gap and if you could hold on to you know any form of status quo
5000 gold lead 10 minutes from now is going to be very insignificant
so it's just a matter of don't lead too many kills and keep looking to find
something with the storm next ulti's they go with the ulti right now then
that guy's gonna go and scout for a storm
and this serves double purpose you find someone alone they can kill it
if he doesn't find someone he's still acting as a smoke shield
keeping the storm safe of the early warning system yeah exactly anybody
coming and they also have Mars and Troll Jekiro reasonably nearby so if a
proper fight starts brewing they can react oh you see that boom they want to
bring everybody down here though four men smoke up oh they saw everybody this
words it's not everyone walk by it so that boom have perfect information right
now they've all gone through the gate bar the Troll and Jekiro
Got the Q's, got the Greed, go through the door, but the farm was there and that means
Kiritich can get onto the troll, Navi, I don't think they can react in time, got the
Juicel Battlecraft but he's held by the chains, that's absolutely lights out for the troll
wall on here.
A banishment to make sure he's killing up and taking down.
Nah, he just wanted to farm one more camp before leaving Gareth.
It's always that last camp that gets you.
Just farm the Siege Creech as well, one more creep, one more creep, one more camp.
You can finish off that last creep, don't worry.
And it's so much easier to do when you're in like a desperate situation where you're trying to catch up, turn the game.
You know that every little helps.
It's also this thing where everyone else was going through the gate at the same time.
And when you're behind you really want to be efficient about farming.
So the more you go to the same area, the more you choke each other out and farm less.
So he's just trying to be efficient.
Sadly this time it was the wrong call.
Crab's in a bucket.
Kat only drops the golem for the med tier 2 forces the cliff quite early there
What's crabs in the bucket crabs in the bucket when you got crabs in the bucket
They're trying to crawl out they grab each other and bring each other down
It's like no one's no one escape if you can't escape I can't escape
So it's like humans drowning each other when you try and rest no one is throughout
Crab in the bucket, so it's not just us. It's the crabs to perhaps are the peak at life form
I hear customization. Yes. I mean how many times like 20 times evolution has trended towards crab form. It's great
I too shall become a crab by exaggeration
Well next leading the way within that again scouting for his team there is a smoke behind him
Versa is heading over. He does not have to be an inventory just yet
It's on the career behind him straight up to me arrow with the eels up spear pins him
That Boomer coming across, the Davenry Heritage on the PMA clears him out and Miiro has survived.
He's still got 400 health, the bubble buys even more time as the GPK can try to gap close on the storm, low mana for Niku,
no resources left, another jump from Miiro, he got started on and he'll finish it.
Oh, so close to connecting to the right hero there. Unfortunately they get onto the starter.
Of course, they were smoking blindly. That's why you always want to smoke with vision in front of you.
It always feels nicer. You know where you're going.
They were just ships in the dark looking for something.
And sadly what they find was a 3000 HP starter.
Grohshan is spawned as well for them. They've not realized.
I could have quickly gone into the pit and taken it, but it looks like that boom.
Other things on their mind here. Invading enemy ancients.
Over towards their Observe Ward where they've seen Riddies wander towards this spot.
GDK, with the help of the upheaval, slowing everything down in the soup.
Yeah, the soup. The best spell there is...
That's pretty bad now, Red.
It used to be very fun.
It has its moments, you know? You just need to be forgotten as Warlock and left.
We've seen a few moments actually where Warlocks have just dominated fights here at Wallachia
by just standing and kind of getting ignored.
We've also had games where there are no stunts.
That's true.
And then Warlock is a great pick because he has a stun
He does have a stunt. It's one of the biggest stuns in Dota actually name one stun. That's bigger
Like size wise AOE is ravaged the same size is ravaged bigger ravaged bigger bigger right on max level
I'm sure it's bigger actually look that up cuz you know right now. It's kind of
All right, well next double kill
Oh, he got him!
Squadron down, the jets are scrambled.
And the arrow kind of recaps the bug.
Gbk, gotta be careful into troll, you don't want to get ensnared and chased.
Although, like, doesn't the BKB...
Got the juice, he's gonna get bashed, controlled, forced to battle trance and just... killed?
Was it even battle trance anyway?
That was all good, in bad boom.
Sensing that they've got a big lead to take care of, a double kill for Kiritich.
Sensing that also Navi falling apart.
Yeah, they're just snowballing right now with the advances that they have overall.
Built up confidence with the Aegis as well.
Wisdom is spawning and at least Zayac is going to get the wisdom going for his own team.
So level 2 on that ulti.
It took a long time for him to get the ulti at all in this game.
Now he has it on level two.
Doesn't really make that much bigger of a difference.
Anything you can get though.
It's just really sad watching a hero
get all the space and time in the world.
30 minutes of farming, 16,000 net worth,
troll is zero, three and zero.
All right, impact versus net worth,
I think is a one out of 10.
I think we have different concepts
of all the space in the world.
The first 50 minutes, I think a good seven of those, he had like four players going for him non-stop, so...
Yeah, but then PMA was, you know, feeding his balls off, trying to give him space, they're moving across the map, you know, they opened the map for the troll for a long time, right?
My favorite form of space?
My Mars is feeding.
My offlaner, offlaner having the net worth of the enemy Warlock, wait, no!
But it's true though, they've been sacrificing so much to get this troll off the ground, right?
You know, they've spun the propellers, they've filled it with fuel, and all of a sudden they realized they've not put the frickin' wings on the plane.
I think there were some really big things that the panel will have to talk about later, how the troll made those early moves.
Yeah, to like the bottom next, right?
He TP'd down bottom, and had to run away, got nothing, gave space to Slardar.
And the fact that Slardar was already doing better than he should have in the lane, I think, there was outplay happening in this game.
So yeah, the troll, it should serve as a lane-dominating hero.
If you just watched the farm, TB would have been the better.
We talked about TB vs Troll as an option in this game for how this game developed.
TB would have been a hero that you could rely on as,
okay, he's big enough now, maybe he can carry.
Troll, you're supposed to shut down lane and get stuff done earlier on.
You want to be that hero taking Roche, not Ursa.
And you also want to be the dominant force on the map, right?
You want to be the one who's top of net worth,
so you and your item timings are ahead of the curve, ahead of the BKB Ember,
ahead of the Agnoms Ursa. But because you are behind, all these items of Ebruv are hitting
and clicking, so we're going to see those heroes who could have suffered against Troll
now flourish. Miro also has another thing on PMA to blast down the Mars. Zayac gets
picked by Kyrgyz further off to the side, and we'll get back to watching Got the Jews
hit creeps.
It's this funny, like, ostrich moment, like, head in the sand kind of thing where the killing
people and Storm is right next to it, just farming creeps like, yeah, I know guys, I
know.
I don't see this. I'm not with you guys.
I see no evil here. No evil. Speak no evil.
Very much. See no ember. Speak no ember. I'm gonna see no base in a minute.
Fat boom coming for your tier three. Okay, up.
That brochure and banner, even. And then Glyph out from RV.
There's that wind probability. That's 68%.
That's sure me to be R-Complete on the troll. But he needs his team.
As he poked at from long range, but Miero jumping in and out.
My parents are falling.
Stomel zipping to try and deal with the wave.
Still under that Roshan banner.
Stomel spirit pretty low on the mana pool now.
Has to go back to fountain.
Now to try and get everything ready.
I think they're recognizing this on Bethboom.
They're saying, okay, the power spike isn't that weak from Navi,
so they're backing out and respecting.
Look at Miero though, revealing the splits.
Expecting it.
Sia is keeping tab on them but Storm is not even here, Storm is again back to hitting creeps.
No TP already on him as well so...
Now they're gonna be stuck in base for a little while.
And Batboom with a systematic approach.
They have to smoke out, there's no way you can just stay in here.
At least they're pushing mid with the illusions.
I think right now they need to just look for some form of move with ulties.
It's pretty simple there for Bat Boom.
Come from that mid lane push through the enemy agents, take out a lot of the high value farming land that Navi would want to go and grab.
And twinkate to the Tormentor.
And what's Steven doing?
Poor Steven.
He's all alone. Where's his pan?
The hunchback of Koboldia.
He was abandoned.
Also, Golem get you gone, got nothing on the Kobolds.
He is lurchin' over.
Fias disappears!
Well, bears come out of hibernation as Na'Vi
They're gonna try and disengage from got the two some PMA defensive arena but change from GBK into the back of BKB
to freedom for him and
That boom reigns supreme take the bombs on got the two BKBs and traps us up, but he's dead
Getting demolished and Na'Vi without their high value carry
Don't have anything left in the tank. Another game where it feels like
Beppu is just have their number, twist the knife and make life so hard for Navi.
They have so much survivability and the save coming out from, well, save with his
blink, etherlens on Shadowdeam and he can disrupt anybody who gets focused.
They have the Agadam Scepter on the slaughter to tank him up, Ursa has Agadam Scepter to
react to anything that happens and Ember, he's just looked absolutely dominant in
in this game. In part of 21 kills even. 40 seconds no troll. Can't say I appreciate
that though. I think that's that line, that's true boss 5. This is like a testament. The
score line of a true support. Well yeah, 0-4-20 or something. No, no, 0-0-19. Oh Nick, you
get stunned. Oh baby. Oh he got the last hit on that. It ruined this kill score. Oh no.
Always 1-0 in 19.
Well, GG called in the end.
Navi out of this one with a bit of a whimper,
as Bedboom just looked, ah, I don't know,
leaps and bounds ahead,
and upper echelon compared to the opponents in this series.
Yeah, it totally did.
It looks like one of those, like, oh,
a protein plays against kindergarteners kind of situation.
Like, this is just unfair.
Bedboom were so much more prepared for this,
and unfortunately Navi just didn't really step up today.
Game one, draft was hard. Game two, it felt like they just got...
Little out drafted and then outplayed across the board as Betboom looked incredibly good.
And also, what a hero.
My hero, like you are my hero, guys.
No, obviously a real tough day at the office for Nabi,
and I feel like we talked a lot about how one of the good things about this team was
they'd never get ruffled, they don't get flapped,
you know, they can be behind in series, they can always come back.
today this is as flat as I've seen them. Yeah I mean I think this is the easiest
job that we'll ever have it's just yes it's just a matter of like if you take
the first 10 minutes of a game and rewatch it you're gonna find enough
faults in it that you know Navi can't play out the later of passion in this
game right after game one we showed the the fact that they lost out on the
double wisdom the runes they had a and that and this game exact same story right
it's like Ember gets everything he wants made he gets double water storm
doesn't have any water rune that supports a lot to the side lane, then he gets the six-minute regen rune,
he then steals a stack, he kills Zyax, Zyax is then dead, so then they get the double wisdom again,
and it's like, I don't know, to me it's just like, just early game support this, early game map movement this,
and then Na'Vi, they're a very, very good team, but today just something was wrong, like, this is not the Na'Vi that we love to watch,
She's not the Na'Vi that can get to a grand final at Blast Slam and showcase the brilliance of what an academy team can do.
To me, really bad day from Na'Vi, they're going to want to forget about it and just go to the next tournament.
They're playing really well, but I think also that they are getting the stuff that they want and they're executing quite well and quite clearly.
But I would like to know whether they did even feel any pressure throughout the series compared to other ones.
compared to other ones, and for Navi it's more, I mean, I don't even want to reach
much into the gameplay, because we can all tell it's not good, it's bad, but I can tell
from how they're moving, or the small clicks, if I'm looking, and the emotions on their face,
I think that there was more than just the gameplay, I think there's something off within the team,
and I've been there as an offender before, you know, you go into this game one, it doesn't work out,
but you also feel like you're not set up for success, I think maybe here it's slightly different,
I think he ended the game 0, 8 and 1.
You're again with this Marsnakes into this Warlock air select.
I feel like you lost.
You got destroyed by the same lane,
like two games in a row.
So someone must have a very strong idea
that either he's not shutting down
or he's not being strong enough when,
because you know in Dota as a core,
you know what your hero needs.
I mean, even as a support,
and these things, they need to be communicated
and they need to be combined to create a good Dota game.
Whereas I think BB, they did that.
They showcased it very clearly
and they just win two super easy games.
If you are first-phasing a Mars, which again on paper, it can make sense.
It can really open up your draft to create fun little avenues to play on.
Like, anytime you have a core player wanting to pick their hero early,
another core or support will thrive with the information of a draft.
But the information that they were provided, what BB was offering as a response to the Mars,
Na'Vi wasn't going, now let's play on that, let's try and counter it.
They just kept doing their own thing.
So again, really weird day from Na'Vi and GVK.
He's just been a monster performance in both games back to just on the troll tail list
Yeah, whatever man. It's like first pick of the tournament probably last pick of the tournament and it's like high troll by troll
Yeah, it's just I didn't think coming into the series
I know historically Navi BB BB just dominates right what one series win to Navi across many years
But I was expecting so much more from them. Yeah, I was and I think but you know BB just showcase even if they don't win tournaments
They are so consistently at that like top six top eight performance that they will just like if you have a bad day
This is the type of roster that will just like go back. Thank you very much
How they like also like in some of the other days
I feel like some of their lanes they went worse like GBK at a word time. They're safe and that were so maybe they're often too
But in these games, I mean, they are all very good laners
They got off to a good starting I think once they have a good start. They're usually pretty good at like taking everything
Also, you have the earth so he's gonna play for ages like it was very cookie cutter
So I just want to see in the playoffs how easy it is for them to replicate what they did today. Yeah, and obviously as well
I mean they just want to say
Commiserations to Navi were super exciting team to watch and they gave us a some really good game so far at this tournament
So I hope they're not too despondent
Going home, but to the victor the spoils and I believe with on that note. We can now have our interview with the winners
Yes, hello, how are you doing? Congratulations? First of all on the victory
Were you surprised at how easy that was? Because from our advantage point it looked like it was a breeze.
I mean, I was surprised. My team did really good preparation for this game, so I didn't expect the games to be that easy.
Were you under pressure at any point in the game? Because it just seemed that it was a foregone conclusion both times based on the draft and the early game.
No, we never have pressure since we are working with our psychologist now, so we don't have that anymore.
You don't even feel pressure when there is no pressure or when there is pressure, so that's good.
In both games you just dominated the lanes and the rune control.
Were you surprised by certain teams not actually putting as much focus on runes?
Because of course with you guys, I feel like you want to activate GPK,
like you respect the 4-minute rune a lot more than other teams.
We rate some stuff in our team, like some strategies.
So it's just our individual rating of Midland.
So we want our GPK to be happy and curious.
Makes sense. I've known it from many pubs.
Yeah, I mean on that note you talk about the psychologists who do you feel like benefited the most in your team from you guys having a psychologist?
I mean on all of us. It's a team work not I mean individual also, but it's mostly like teamwork
communication
discussions till discussions pressure discussions, you know and
On the note, I think in a like in the series early in this form you guys played against liquid
I think they you know they had the better they got the victory there. Is there something specific you took from your day one performance into today?
I mean we're actually doing quite not really big job science dream leak since last year we
grown as a team like so much
When a book came back like every official game is something new we
Discuss on the replay and something new we learn, you know
So I really feel the big growth in our team.
Yeah, that's amazing. And I have one last question.
So I'd really like to see your tusk.
Like I think you played one of the better position 5 tusks,
but it seems like right now a lot of the range 5s are a bit superior.
How do you feel about that?
I mean, fuck this meta.
I think...
Everyone's feeling that.
Fixed the kill, fixed wall, fixed strength.
I'm so tired of it.
Tascar is really nice melee plus 5, not that much heroes like Tascar, so it's good with
some ranged course combination, with Shadow Fiend like Mert.
Bring it out into play also honestly.
Yeah, of course.
I'm a two-scargeting band, almost every single game, so I'm before this series, just about
jikiro world.
Talking about heroes getting banned, right?
In the world where jikiro is banned, warlock banned, tree banned, maybe tusk banned.
Are we ever going to see the return of the Kutumi Winter Wyvern?
I'm personally seeing it in some pubs, there's a couple players trying it.
Is this hero on your radar or don't touch it?
I mean, hero is pretty dead, hero is pretty useless online and it's have some outdated spells.
I would say like this heal, when you press the heal, it just stuns your core.
It's so my like brain that it's outdated hero, I would say, but maybe you can expect some pain from it.
Yeah, next week we'll do this hero's man.
Again, let's not forget, what if, you know, they're listening right now, those who can change,
what would you change to enter Wyvern, one of your favorite heroes, to make it viable, to not make it a dead hero?
One change, is it code embrace or is it something else?
No, it's just, it needs more damage, like level one, just more attack damage.
So you can actually harass people with your first spell.
Yeah, because right now you come to lane and nobody cares about you.
You have like 40 damage per hit.
Yeah.
All right, well, look, I'll let you take a break from reworking with Wyvern live with us, which, no, listen, it's important.
Yeah, it is. I agree.
And I'll just say again, congratulations to you and your team.
Looking forward to seeing you in the playoffs and no doubt talk to you later.
Thank you, Sam.
Take care.
So there you go.
I mean, I've got to say, I love that.
I love highlighting the sports psychologist aspect actually because I think it's such a thing that we don't really talk a lot about it's in
Esports in general and you know when you have those teams that out and we've said this about that boom in the past
They're volatile. You all know what that means. You all know at home what that's code for obviously you bring in a
Sports psychologist and you refer smooth out some of those refered. Yeah, it would be very easy to mean GPK in this instance
outside of that
Yeah, I feel like any time you do have competition or anything
Yes being able to process a loss or a win or even how you talk to each other like it's the small things
We're like how you communicate
One line can actually tilt something there's so many layers to it because like as a viewer or an analyst you just assume
Based on play right but all these little nuances are very critical
So if that's what helps be be then sure and there's just so much more that goes like into the building
It's like your emotions. How do you feel?
How does the other guy feel about like how you're feeling and how you're communicating?
So I always think like there's nothing bad that can you know come from having a sports psychologist with you
I will say that a lot of players are not very open to other. Oh, we're gonna have a psychologist
This is cringe trust me like I've gone through this like just a year ago
Like usually half the team is like, you know, I don't like this, but then you make them go through and it's actually pretty good
Yeah, all of a sudden I'm not hungry. Yeah
24 hours a day. Yeah, so yeah, it's cool to hear about but anyway, we must move on with the show
So thanks for your thoughts. Thanks for the questions as well guys great job. Keep it up. Keep it up guys
Keep it up. Right. We are gonna go to a break now, of course
It's cold in the tundra. So get yourselves a Parker. We'll see you in a moment
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Yeah, welcome back, uh, last series of the day, of the groups.
It's gonna be Tundra taking on Paribasian.
And even though we've been talking a lot about Parker, obviously a stand-in for Tundra,
one of the most interesting characters, I think it's fair to say, in the world of Dota 2,
we're not going to talk about him for quite a few moments because we want to focus in on the support
and I'm going to start with you, Kezu. Let's do it. Let's do the dozeife.
Supports are important and more importantly, it's the heroes that the supports play,
but also how they interact with like 33.
You always know, you know, at tundra, like, their supports are very important.
So, like, look at the heroes.
They have a lot of Warlock with Rasta combo, but then also, you know, when the Warlock isn't there,
there's, like, the Shadow Shaman with the Chen, you have it in two separate games.
And then, always, like, there's Offlaner for 33, but he's very annoying,
and he's also going to get very big, a lot of network, and then take over the game.
So, I want to show, also, with some clips, like, what they do in games
where they're not ready to fight and how they delay.
So, here, 20-minute mark, you can see OG, they have the Aegis, they're taking their tall mentor.
It's like they have a very clear idea, look at, like, White one is just going here, dropping his Golden.
Because they know right now, we're not ready to fight.
If you look at, like, the Radiant Heroes, Razor Ages, Ember is super strong,
Ymorphing needs time, everyone needs time.
So look at just how they delayed the game.
You have Bors pushing mid, the Golden cut to West top.
See you again, OG, 2K lead now, with the Aegis, they're hitting the top tier too.
Same story, Conrad, they haven't interacted with a hero.
White one is still here cutting some creeps, you have Ari bottom, you still have the Bors in the mid lane.
Look here, now they're in the mid tier too.
They still haven't interacted with anyone, Manta on the bottom wave, Rasta ult is just being used to clear three waves, same with the Golem, now they keep cutting.
Because what they want to do, this team clearly understands how they want to fight, and this is now many minutes later, like from minute 20 to 26, OG didn't get anything with their entire ages.
Now actually, they got to the BKB on the leaves, they got to the BKB on the timber.
In a moment you're also going to see that Parker on this morphling who's now top in that berth, he gets his gati.
You know, he might die early in this fight, which whatever, like the main point of this team is that they understand what they want to do.
And I do think that 33 is a kind of the main instigator when it comes to this.
You know that he changes teams, he changes players to play the way that you want.
Because when you go through like this entire thing of six minutes where OG don't get what they want, now they get their couple key items.
And these fights, OG, they need to win them.
Like with their draft, you're playing Raze against Morph.
You know you're on the clock, but Tundra aren't really giving you these openings and these moments.
So giving them these heroes that make it easier, that they're already good in the lane, they can creepscape like this,
you've got to be careful, because they're just not going to interact with you, get their timings, and then they play the game.
That's like the scariest thing, what you're showing here is like, that's also how you can beat Tundra.
Because if they can't fight at 20, which is a very critical time in the game, or they're conceiving the map,
if they have to play split push for 6 minutes, a good team who doesn't just walk down the lane, allow all 3 waves to get skipped,
they'll find one kill, they'll twin gate smoke, they'll get another kill, they'll keep chain killing you,
whilst you try to split push and survive,
that's when they actually break you.
So OG weren't able to do that yesterday.
Again, maybe because their heroes didn't really have
that pick off potential in them.
But yeah, Tundra, when they get this type of wave shove farm,
one clear item timing, they are very, very scary.
And I'd argue from the first graphic you showed,
33 has at least recently defaulted back
to some old specialties.
Because I think maybe there is some conflicting ideas
in how this team should operate with Parker in the mix.
and shoving 33 on a tide, on a timber,
you know, some of the staples,
that is enough consistency on his performance
that Parker can be the 0-3 morphing
that needs another 20 minutes to get into the game.
So I think Tundra at least are finding their rhythm
with this, you know, eclectic bunch.
Meanwhile, over on ParaVision,
obviously we've talked about it a lot,
their supports and the way they approach things,
a little bit different to the normal teams.
Yeah, very differently, actually.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
On top of the board for the
deaths. Yeah, these guys are
cooking in the graveyard, so
average depth of game. We've
got 10.22 on nine class. We've
got the Carlos sitting on an
8.67. Let's not forget the
other three lads in this
graphic are not even playing
in the tournament anymore. So
if they are to win this
series, no one really no one
no one realized in the way and
there we go. Um yeah, I as
much of it's kind of a me me
start. How many deaths they've
The supports need to die because they've got tinker mids, they get clink scaling, like if the supports aren't the ones just relentlessly feeding,
that some of their drafts would just fall apart very quickly.
That's nice, I'd take one of them.
Yeah, I'm getting some, like who was this back in the day, like Nortel and Erra giving each other like the back massages, getting some good old flashbacks.
Luckily it's not no, it's just snap satanic's neck in half.
So we're all getting destroyed in one touch, yeah, for the sake of that, then good for P-Vision, but yeah, I feel at least four, how P-Vision is playing,
It's I think they're gonna be quite happy. They're playing the tundra because tundra is just like farm team
Where there's like even timings everyone's happy when we're ready we go. Yeah, I'm P vision
They've been falling to the teams that are aggressive that break the map that force you to play
You know suicidal supports for other people to shine
I'm talking about point we can talk about hero damage as well
Absolutely because I think like also before T is showing
I mean you can see that the supports are dying a lot
But I fully agree like sometimes it kind of just happens because other people they're like never ready
But what I want to show is like the overall hero damage
So you have you know two of the five players there in the top five year
So Tannick at the very top and no one you know fifth spot, which is still quite good
But the thing is so satanic is always at the top and I think he uses also like his net worth the high
GPM highest every yeah, and like he's putting it to like good use or sometimes you have that top network people don't do much
But when you look at some of these games, there's like an insane discrepancy and I didn't take games day one
I talk hard games, you know, these are games that they lost and satanic is still if you look at his damage output
He's playing clinkson as if he's so far above like all the others
There's one game where you know no one on tinker. He did quite good
But the other game viper he had a good matchup 19k hero damage SSS in both these games
He really really struggled so like satanic. I'm still looking at him
You know to like take over the game
But it's really hard in modern day Dota for one guy to do it all you need at least one other quarter like back you up
you know step it up because it's there's a bit too much inconsistency yeah I
even argue that the roster change seeing SSS on the roster I'm gonna say
triple S from now on that's so hot we're a guy with a slur as well that's like
saliva everywhere anyway triple S whatever yeah I feel like he's had
quite a shaky you could just go like like snakes yeah that's not good with the
slur anyway so yeah triple boss man S he hasn't had like the best couple of games
I think watching him on the back rider a hero player combination that you often look towards being game-breaking in the current meta
I've not really felt like his presence in games like initiating as well
I think he played like a slala games like a back rider as well
I think he's been quite lost in these games and if he's lost your supports then again
I think they have to do a little bit more map moves
They die more like that their games feel good because of the scaling of no one satanic
But I think I want to see Tripless stand up a bit more in the game show that he can provide
Haven't really been all that impressed with his approach to bat rider for instance. Yeah, exactly
Yeah, he's had that hero a few times now. It is strong
It's not getting through a lot of drafts and he certainly hasn't made the most of it
No, I agree
I think it can come with like, you know the age like being a young guy that's getting slaughtered into like this team because I don't think he's really
He's not played on a team of this caliber before
You know maybe that's like some nerves and like not really being confident and like only you know listening to what they're saying as
Opposed to saying what you need maybe a bit similar to PMA in the last series
Maybe it's also about you know nine classes a bit of a different post-4 than maybe others
So, you know, there's like a grace period I would say you know for a younger player who comes into a new team to show
But I mean it cannot be understated that it's absolutely true
His performances so far are not what you would expect
You know when you kick DM you're looking for a new guy to like fill the shoes it hasn't happened yet
It's also kind of scary, I think, for a player like him, because in his entire career, he played on one move, then he played on one win, so he's only played on two rosters, he's been a pro for only two years, and to have your entire kind of Dota concept shaped around a couple teams that also have only ever been like tier two, generous, maybe even tier three teams, like you kind of can get very kind of maybe skewed on your perspectives.
I'm gonna maybe see a couple tournaments where he's having to take away some of that rust to the kind of the qualifier
It you have and of course look let's get back to what we do for a living Parker watch
We've been see we've talked about other players we tried our best
Yeah, I mean always joining that's not good sign. Yeah. Yeah, I know like wake up where he can be happy puppies and his coach
Yeah flapping him right now. It's game. Wake up. It's game. Yeah, what do you think we're gonna see from him today?
Do you want the honest opinion or you want the honest opinion?
Heavily questionable item builds that technically could be, oh my god, game breaking or just
bad.
Yeah.
But I'm down for it.
I feel like it's like the idea of when you're trying to push ideas and whatever, we're all
victim to understanding what is good, what is bad, what is the method.
And I think Parker, at least some of his itemization choices, have been very off-meta.
Whereas if they weren't, we would have been like, oh my god, Parker the inventor, the crazed genius from SA.
No team can handle his brilliance and creativity and craziness.
It's just not connected so far.
Obviously as well, we got the Beast out. Very good flex for Tundra.
I mean, they have insane Beast players. Both BZM and 33, they of course are very happy to play it.
I think also, while Trian was left through, I think Beast was one of the few guys in the offline
You don't really care you can cut all the trees if your access of a one you don't really care if you play about a tree
It's also overall a slow hero
So it's quite easy to just keep annoying him by spilling on him with the boys
So it also helps that if you want to put these med he can still walk to the lane
Yeah, throw the axes help the the kind of the off-laner then you go back and play mid
So you can set up the first couple or two three minutes for the off-lane to be really happy because the trees are already dead
I also gotta say I mean like the tree it's only got through like I think like a handful of times
It might be less than 10 still and it's win rate one won't be so yesterday was about 28% there you go
It's it's nine. It's down to 22. This has been a first phase ban sometimes a first ban
Hero throughout this tournament. I'm starting to wonder if it is actually worth that. What the froge?
I just saw a 13 pick tinker
Okay, so I will say that these two heroes are very toxic together because obviously well tinker needs time
He defends towers your tree and it's gonna heal towers and also throw out his grasp
You know and like just to lay the game which overall can be good against beast
I wonder if there is like a bit of flex potential also
I know there was a time was it a few months ago
So then I kept playing like Kerry tinker. You know, maybe this is up in the air
Yes, I like that. I see but just forcing the beast to go
Well, if you go mid on mid think we're just gonna shove wave you shove wave. Yeah, you're happy, right?
You kind of like get to dictate that watch and going back to the tree the stats
Again, teams that have lost with the tree, Yellow Submarine, they're not in the tournament anymore.
You've got Narvi, not in the tournament anymore.
You have XG, not in the tournament anymore.
So it's like, the only winners on tree is Yandex.
So I don't know, it's, I think it's skewed slightly from teams allowing some of the weaker
teams to get it, and then lose.
Don't disagree.
But this combination, whew!
So scary.
Tinker thrives on vision, 3 provides vision, too much vision.
That's sharp, deleted, thanks.
Much love.
You get Phoenix who's like, he's always been a good answer to 3,
both like whether you're lane or in the game, you just answer his teamfight very well.
You're very happy to have the beast as well.
I'm overall looking like for Tundra, when you play against Tinker,
games are different.
This hero needs to be caught in some way, whether you have vision to then jump in later
Or just overall like backline jump or multi aura so that you like live through like his you know
His damage can be good
But I think it is a hero that will change the way you need to think about heroes and about your draft
So now you have a tiny which is good
Beasts has like you know have some wave shelf but the catch still has to come later
I mean I like the fact that tundra has gone for 3d for station heroes right Phoenix can kill trees bees can kill trees tiny
Can kill one tree until he has eggs. Yeah, then you can kill many a tree, but right now the trees
That's what puppy saying. Yeah guys. They're killing trees. They're killing trees. They hate the environment. Right forest
They're taking a private jet per player to get to events
Unconfirmed but memes aside it is very helpful to be able to just when you get to an area
You need to have that vision
We are gonna see those elements in play tinker isn't gonna have this weird little tree spot to stand behind as much as I meme
It is actually quite important. Mm-hmm tiny's got the jump that kill is mentioning now
I'm looking at just one nullifier and I think then you've kind of answered tinker. You have the vision you have the jump
You have the catch you have the damage between
Sunray and roar and ads and avalanche and talks like all the spells are in play just get something to kill the matrix and
Tinker shouldn't be a problem
and he's without
P vision supporting cast and making it hard once again, but
Tundra looking pretty decent so far
I mean for parry I would assume that you're just you're gonna lock in like your three and four combo here and then keep the
Well keep the tinker alive if that's the idea or like either way there's nothing wrong really with picking your your three and four here
You know Phoenix is five. He doesn't get your pressure. They're all happy underlaw plus one just keep shoving the waves
I mean they've got all the game hosted. They've got mine class. Could they flex the tinker to four?
I wouldn't want to see him play tinker. I don't want to see it
I think right now I prefer four players who can
go out into the map and explore the runes and see what stacks are available.
Yeah, it's Techies plus one. The nine classes. It's the Techies combo.
Underlord, underlord, Techies. Underlord, Kotal. You know,
what game, what time do you want this game to finish? Oh, yes, midnight, no worries.
They're going for the record longest game.
For the evening crew, and it's like not even four of them, so we're doing good today.
Doing very good today.
Okay, so you've got the Weaver, at least for now, which could be a one, could be a four.
At least overall, I think, like Tia already mentioned, if it's beast versus tinker mid,
You're pretty happy if you're the tinker so now if thunder are like, okay
We want to put the beast offline beast offline could suffer against the weaver tree and lane
You know you have tiny they're double melee they should be okay
But definitely a favorite lane for parry if that you know will be the matchup
They are opening up for thunder to get quite a comfortable like ember pick potentially here
True
Like you put the beast into the weaver lane it might be a little bit awkward
But you have tiny we've have a launch and toss so you can at least survive the lane
doesn't feel good, you cut the trees, then you find an active mid-hero, so while Tinker's farming, Ember's just killing the side lanes.
But, yeah, weaver just annoys things slightly.
It's one of those heroes who are like, if you don't 100-0 him, there's a time lapse,
and not only is there a Tinker that you have to kill, there's a weaver you have to kill, and...
You know what, I don't mind the Void at all, it's...
Like, I'm talking about the frustrations of killing both of these heroes,
you are gonna 100% kill them with the Void, like...
With the three heroes beforehand, there's plenty of damage.
We've seen Void have this like boiling point in the draft where you get to this three item timing and heroes just get deleted
You can buy nullifier as well. You buy really good items like Manta against tree if you need you if you lock any of these heroes down later
You can buy nullifier you can buy whatever you have follow up damage from your phoenix
Everyone is happy to be with you like in this game. So I do think they open themselves up quite a little bit for this
Like with the ring and the weaver like even if you don't join fights with chrono time dilation is very good against these heroes
There's not that many stuns. You're just gonna time walk around. So yeah
Yeah, I think it's a very, very strong AT&T pick from Tundra.
And with the...
Just glad to see Void carry back.
It's just an entertaining hero.
Yeah, it's a fun hero where it's like you enjoy the struggles of it early on,
and then it's like, damn, what a hero you are.
And certain players, like Yatoru, sometimes Sucitanic, maybe Parker,
you can show like the early game brilliance of time dilation and like...
I remember like when I first got into like competitive Dota,
It's like the old school day was like like the Chinese daughter of like when void hit six you have to TP mid
You have to crony have to take this tower and it's still ingrained into my head and let's just
Love to see the hero. Yeah, it's good because obviously as well
I it's always been sad to see him as a support. That's just my feelings. I think I love him as a carry
All right, if I like game wants to you know, you know
You're one patch away from time zone getting deleted or something can then it's all gone again. Don't worry. Good news
Well if there wasn't a Phoenix, I mean at least 33 he's got like this type of
brain where maybe he will do it anyway but like when you see Weaver and
Tinker there's like other heroes that come to mind you know like Nightstalkers
for instance having some vision can be kind of nice but if you put the Beast
offline which I think you can it's like not an amazing lane but I'm sure you'll
be okay like versus tree and Weaver they're annoying but they don't really
kill you so if you're going for mids I think you already mentioned the Ember
before I think anything that can like help you like poke be mobile have any
sort of backland jump it's pretty good like insert any spirit I think it's
pretty okay there's already the argument of like one okay centers already found
the glory my home log is dead back to you Richard no problem no problem I was
gonna yap about center for about 12 and a half seconds to fill the time but that
would be silly it would be that would make you a silly bit it would oh you
You know what I'd like to see? Dark Willow, probably not going to see it, but now.
This type of game, a little bit of elusiveness against the Weaver, additional just stuns from a distance.
I don't know if Ari's the Willow kind of guy.
But they go for...
Or station.
Yeah, more deformation.
Puppy called it.
Damn.
Okay, so you just have the Beast mid, most likely, against the Tinker, I would assume.
You get the timber against the weaver, you're pretty happy, they don't pressure you.
You're just gonna skill Q and E as he usually does.
And you get very, like while you don't like fully counter tinker as timber,
you're not a hero that tinker easily kills.
Like actually this timber later in the game like 33,
he can chain into them with some glade near BKB, you know, in the aggs.
And I really think he's gonna push back parry quite a lot.
Pure damage also for the chrono.
It was very solid.
So what is left? You need to destroy this void in some way.
Yeah, I mean generally it's summons that do quite well against it, you know some teams would like but it's they're so greedy
But some avoid Phoenix is like a timer right like like there's like enigma doom
They're like incredibly greedy with the draft you have and then like here's like viper to apply laning pressure
Whatever just again, it falls off you're gonna have you know eight minutes of fun during the lane and that breaks apart and your draft is
That you need a stun you need initiation you need fight and they can go for the doom and
fair play it does give them something to play on but I am worried at the idea of
what happens if Phoenix rush is forced off first mm-hmm tiny goes blink force
or blink yours you now have a lineup that's built on overgrowth and will of
the ringmaster that that's it everything else is like I hope they stand near us
during a doom I hope they don't run away from my tinker it's yeah p-visions
draft is a little weird but I can see it working if they get like the early
timings and the supports are striving thriving. Yeah like while I understand
the Doom versus Void you know it's good it's also good against Timber I think
what I was more looking for and maybe that was just hard to find is I hear that
gives you actual lockdown like tinker wants to kill like people to be he's the
carry of your game it's not the weaver it's not the doom it's the tinker but if
I look at tundra while they're greedy I think so are party and when I just look
this game like actually scale out I think void tends to just win those games you lock people down
they're gonna die he already mentioned items I think forcef is imba in this game so is Lincoln
sphere like I think it's harder for parry to play this game I'll bring our commentators into you're
doing the I had one last point but it's no no make it make it make it now okay we'll force them to
listen we'll sit them in the chair you make your point listen lads all right p-visions draft it's not
about cohesion it's about star power all right they've got tinker or no one weave or satanic the two
top damage. It's about them. They're the main characters. It's not about cohesion. Don't rub my
bald head. You're not getting no wish. Why would you do it, guys? Okay, what do you think of this?
Can I just say it's a horrible game for a tree? I mean, I would, my one wish would be that it
it wasn't a tinker, honestly, uh, I think, yeah.
It's a bit too late.
Yeah, I know.
You're wasting your bald head, which was on that.
That didn't work.
Oh, whatever.
The game's starting.
This segment's got the pieces.
Go away.
All right.
Right.
Right.
Right.
Three wise man.
You get off your car.
Deliberate and discuss what you're going to do for next game.
We'll get ourselves into game one, best of three here between Tundra and Harry as we
try and figure out who goes forward and who goes home and see what we're dealing with
here. A very interesting draft sequence though from Parry and I've got to say this tournament,
all of their drafts have thoroughly confused me.
Smoke! It was broken. They know Trees here.
Well, hello. Do you know what that's what you're up to? Deforestation has already begun.
It doesn't really matter though. They're not going to go on him. Yeah, like you pointed
out, they cut quite a few of the Trees.
The carbon trap has been burnt. CO2 everywhere.
How many Trees are there in Dorda, Gareth?
Oh my goodness, you're the kind of person who's bloody countered this.
Hang on, let me think.
6,429.
I think that's too many, Gareth.
Damn it.
Actually, I don't know the number, but I think it's roughly between 3,700 and 4,000 somewhere there.
It wasn't that far away.
I'm just ballparking it, just estimation, you know.
I think I should bring back the old tree counter.
Remember that?
Yeah.
Working as a group, the whole total community, cutting down trees.
We cut millions of trees.
A sense of community cut down a tree today
Absolutely now Parker faces void. We've seen this here a really flourish this tournament getting out of laying stage into that mid game
period and getting some big chronos
Should be a pretty good game for him against like a weaver and a tinker as well
Just the worry of the doom is always gonna be looming. Yeah, I think the doom is a concerning hero
I also want to say this is one of the few times that I will point out that team has
four melee heroes and I like it. I don't necessarily like that it's four melee
heroes but I think it's gonna go pretty unpunished against Paravision. They
don't have enough heroes to abuse the sort of clunky drafts coming out
from Tundra. It's not even that clunky. Like, Timber is like semi-arranged by
throwing around his chakram and like he's so mobile he might as well be a
ranged hero but yeah I don't really see Paravision having the ability to really
take advantage of it. Sure you have the ringmaster ulti and the tree and ulti, which sounds nice
and all, but Weaver doesn't abuse people clumping up. Doom, other than if he has agonimus, doesn't
abuse Dider. And finally back to Tinker. I just haven't been really inspired by Parivision's
Tinker play. This is the third time I think that you and I get to see the Tinker. Oh,
maybe fourth even. We got to see it quite a bit. Maddling. Yeah, it hasn't really... Satisfact...
Here, here's the thing. Satisfactory.
Tinker is a nerd hero. You need to be a true nerd to justify this hero.
And I think no one is too much of a chat. Give him some chat here, you know?
Some hero that can do other stuff. I feel like he hasn't really thrived on this.
Go in and crush people.
Because yeah, while we were, you know, sitting and watching the draft, listening to the panel,
we were trying to figure out, because we had this conversation between ourselves already,
you know, seeing as 13-pictanker and not being super impressed with it.
I was wondering, you know, maybe they're flexing it to Satanic or Night Class has got something up his sleeve, you know,
there's the potential down the line, like, look at our Tinker, it's going mid, and then five series later, it's like,
well, actually, we're gonna swap it around, but no, they just keep it mid.
So it seems like they themselves have that confidence in no one to kind of pull this game up.
Yeah, half a year ago at TI 2025, we had the Satanic Tinker played three games,
But yeah, not gonna go that route.
But yeah, I just think if you're gonna play Tinker, you need to take over and dominate games when you have sort of free farm.
And we've seen him have pretty free farm, and then still not really felt the impact.
So hopefully for him, it's gonna be a better showing this time.
Yeah, not to hammer this nail too much, but he's also playing in a game like the panel said, where he doesn't have that much lock-down from his teammate.
So it will be hard for him to keep giving chase.
The potential is there, you know, with Overgrowth, with a Wheel of Wonder to have one big team
fight and actually take a self-stealing pump.
So far though, Leningstades, Parker having a few little minor struggles against this
Doom and Ringmaster, a couple of last days behind his counterparts, while up at top,
Ari goes to the toss in the avalanche, but closed in on quickly by Dracullus and Satanic
to get their Lotus Pool for themselves.
Yeah, Dracullus is the stronger support here, gonna definitely take the Lotus, and even
blood-grenading for 33. He has a fair fire so he should be fine but a lot of
damage and he does not have HB region. Sure he has a ring of region coming our
ring of health coming out now but it will take a while to rebuild that health.
Now he has level 2 reactive armor as well and he's gonna have to sit back for the
next 10 seconds or so to regen. Shifting his items, backpacking the gauntlet,
trying to get the most he can. In early days this can be hard against the
We're from the tree who do apply a lot of pressure
But like as I was saying we're looking at this game going late right both teams have very good scaling lineups
Paravision very likely going to be dodging early fights not wanting to get into these actual head-to-head
5v5's more little skirmishes or pick offs
So they want to drag this game out and then we get to this point, you know thinking
30 minutes into the future where we've got this big fat Timber saw cronos with chakrams and super nervous into it
I worry for Paravision's cause. Weaver, Tinker, they can call in a Kroner, they can just die.
Yeah, going late is always terrifying against Faces Void. Obviously, Kroner is one of the strongest abilities for securing kills in late game.
But I don't have the best read on how strong I expect Doom to become with the gluttony facets.
You know, he should be farming a bit faster than we had on the old greed facets selling and buying items.
So, on paper, you should be getting pretty big.
I just haven't seen enough games of Doom succeeding in going late game.
So, we'll really see. He's the Dark Horse for me on the Paravision course.
I kind of know what I expect from the Weaver and the Tinker.
And if it's just that, then I think Radiant have the better late game.
So, Doom needs to pull some weight as well going late.
Especially if you think about, like, the Lincoln's purchases that can definitely come out of
I have a gun drop, yeah for sure. New to that hero quite heavily.
On BZM 23 and 16, we're getting a firm handle on this middle lane against the 15-3 of Tinker.
The double bores, the wild axe spam, not easy for no one, early days.
Going to be very reliant on stacking up ancients and farming back jungle.
Yeah, interestingly the SSS is going for the same strat on Doom that we saw 33 doing.
So, obviously, anything 33 doesn't do him, basically, that's a stamp of approval.
Copy paste.
Yeah, that's, you know, sign, seal, delivery, it is good.
He's going for the Invenomed Weapon Creep, eating one of the rules.
Right, you were talking about this.
This is a new, you know, it's the up and rising neutral creep to get, just for the farm rate.
It actually farms insanely fast.
So you're saying it does like 200 damage or something over time, so in particular?
Yeah, yeah, you just stack a camp and then hit all the different creeps once, and you
will be farming that camp pretty effectively.
nozzle parker being bullied by doom nice play by triple s recognizing can be
aggressive yeah the little tickle damage over time from scorched earth and
some hits and get past that time walk quite nicely that six-minute rune
controlled effectively by tundra no matter which spawn the would have gotten
it they get the rune on bcm immediately they do get the deward mere to try and
protect tinker and a dire war watching as well a nine-class does get behind the
trees there safely as both of the supports rotated like you said for the
rune. Leave these side lanes exposed though, and that's 33 wide open to get first blooded
by Satanic. That's a nice kill to get for sure, shutting down 33, such an impact player,
so hammering down pressure on him is good, but meanwhile that mid tower is under siege,
boar siege creep, two supports here. This tower will fall, Tinker has no interest in
defending it. And again, going down that line of thought,
Tinker wants to be farming stacks, wants to be sat in this area of the jungle in particular.
mid lane gives you these trajectories right you can have that branching effect
where you can play through mid into the enemy jungle and find the tinker a lot
of this is because of tiny by the way a lot of other supports would not have
been able to stop tinker from coming close and throwing on the march but
just because tiny is avalanche and toss he would have tossed him into the
beast master and that's too much of a threat so tinker couldn't even get close
to throw down a march defensively
one-for-one on the wisdom as 33 stood tall it doesn't get snuck by the triant
who was lurking there with his vision and the watcher and triple s to clear out
the camp and chase white man down time the beast on the Phoenix forces the dive
down to about 170 health so that leaves Parker again alone nice not got too much
lane support right now but he is causing an unlevel six.
What's that?
Move here with the Avalanche and Chakram.
33 level six with Vanguard going.
Feels pretty strong now.
Even though he died first blood, can still stick it around now
with that fresh item pickup.
Yeah, Vanguard should pretty much remove any threat that weaver had onto him
and now he can start playing this area.
He's going to get Soaring next to amplify his farm rate.
He's going to be doing mostly this, just cutting creep wave behind the tower,
accelerating the farm, farming lane and jungle.
There's a parasite now, a leech on that top lane. No way to get the limp it.
Speaking of leech. Speaking of leech, off of the hull of the ship.
BZM is stealing the creeps away from the tanker.
There's one good way to shut down tanker early on. Just get in there.
You took his tower already and now they're taking his stacks.
So we're at 8 minutes in and tanker's only 2.3k net worth.
Sitting 1400 gold behind the Beastmaster. That's a significant number right now.
That's pretty big. And now I have to toss from Ari.
A tiny combo, comes in under 9 class.
Balls flow, and the finishing touch from BZM.
It's not just the tinker being behind, but the Beastmaster being ahead, right?
Because we so often talk about that Aghanim is tithing.
Yeah, Aghanim's super important to get early on.
It's his farm tool, it's his fighting tool, and this will also...
The fact that they removed the mid tower gives him less responsibility to stay in this area,
and he can start moving for these invasions.
Him and Ari, look at them, they're going again towards the triangle.
Might be able to steal some more creeps to tank it all themselves.
I hear a doom.
I'm going on that bot lane.
Trying to chase into Parker.
Doom expiring though, and Ari's Ablash keeps Parker safe while Whitemon tries to burn into SSS.
A dive onto 9th class, the axe is thrown.
The damage over time should be enough here.
I don't know if the ringmaster can slip away from danger down into the little river area,
area allowing triple s to get the kill turned on to arry as well nice crono
though from park with a time dilation the whip is cracked and they can't finish
the job on the weaver time that's back and satanic considering the
continuation as tundra they brought numbers down here lose their two
supports that's just awkward though he doesn't have roar that boom should a
hundred percent die no okay he hasn't skilled Roy's level eight without war
4, 4, 0, 0, 0.
I mean, surely Doom is dead there if you just skill the ability?
Well, this is greedy.
I don't even know if greedy is the right word.
It's just bizarre.
Well, it doesn't have it.
It doesn't have it.
Well, keep a horizon 33 up top.
Again, cutting that wave, keeping
damage on the tier one, forcing Paraphys to come back and defend.
Not much they can do to stop him, though, again,
their fanguard. The soul ring, 1500 health and level 2 reactive armor make him pretty impermeable.
We will try and bring another hero up here with the ringmaster coming forward to protect
satanic and play back into 33. Sunray gives the heal and the damage onto Ducales, burning down
the treant. Nice box to buy some time as whitemon dives and falls himself. Arry's picked off by
satanic and tundra going for these moves. Their two supports falling short yet again. It's the same
trade. Yeah, good kills. Good kill coming out from Paravision. It was a deep play under
the tower of Paravision. Tundra just getting a little bit too aggressive, and this also
kills off BCM's rotation. He was running towards top, wanted to join. He has a double
damage rune on the Beastmaster, but recognizing his team is already dead, no whole reason
to run over there. So, this is very important for Paravision, holding onto your towers.
You can feel what Tundra wanted to do though, right? They go for that mid-tier one, then
they pivot bot. They wanted kills in the tower. They move up top. They wanted kills in the
tower so it's very important yeah paravision stop these objectives falling so they can actually
utilize this tanker to come back and defend while he keeps on farming oh up top nice ringmaster ulti
throws the wheel of wonder into a whip nine class on spot right there hiding in a tree line
through the ulti without any other setup confident play
also not easy to do on a hero like timber so we can timber chain away against 33
Nice read.
Carried. Being eyed up.
Decalus.
Triple S.
Trailing the tiny and going deep. The damage from the weaver and the ringmaster nearly just bringing Parker down between the two of them.
The TP out with a lack of stuns on Caravaggio.
That was so close.
The cast range on the tree and ulti almost had the radius from him.
Almost got there but not quite.
But this is again them getting kills and now this time able to transition to
tower because previously they were fighting under their own towers and
getting successful fights now they fight under the tower towers and can take the
tier one. So I know in general you don't like the weighted dice do you? We've had
us talk before you're not a big fan of the numbers behind it. On a hero like
Weaver though, what what are your thoughts? When you got Gemnate attack? I mean Gemnate attack?
Doubles the strength of the weighted dice, doesn't it?
Does it?
Does it?
I mean right now...
A lot of mathematics!
Right, now it's every seven seconds he gets one double attack.
I mean...
I'm pretty sure he gets like on average what, 1.2 or 1.4, 1.5 maybe damage from this thing?
Hmm.
Because he doesn't have a big damage range like CK or anything.
He's got damage range of six.
Yeah, it sounds pretty bad.
Like alright.
It does give you a throw, a bit more gold.
I just want to see what his options would have been, you know?
I wonder what what other alternatives he had that he passed over you can go watch the replay for that
I will do that. I will get back to you with that after this game
I guess also maybe a curious thing is here the little shift adaptation from the weaver because we've seen you know
They've desolate a sharp as you know, they're rush some people going for I can't remember who it was the double bracer to be tanky
How do this dragon lands being able to kind of outrange the chrono very important here for weaver to skirt the edges of the fight and be tanky
Yeah, it's also survivability. It's not just about range, it's about not getting
bursted by the combinations. If we get Chase, Ducales, it's got to connect with an
ulti soon. They have the egg ready to skill. Actually they don't have the egg
ready to skill. Nice, wheel of wonder. Phoenix just gets blasted by the laser
triple S rod by VZM. Overgrowth comes in with the illusion rune there.
Ricks free the beast, Max, so he can keep on chasing towards the doom, who throws the
ulti back on beast. Parker, with a timed dilation, sees Ducales.
Well does he?
Into a trace.
Now he does.
The boar helps out.
In the end, he's going to fall, Mask of Mana is fast-hitting.
They just really don't like skilling Ulties on the side of Chandra.
Level 6 Phoenix with an Ultie as well.
Why?
They like basic abilities, Karith.
One more point in Sunray.
Ultimate mode.
It's in the names.
Ultimate ability.
Phoenix's Ultie is pretty good because it allows you to use all your basic abilities
again when you come out so yeah i honestly i don't really agree with the choice i guess
manapul is kind of hard to sustain for for phoenix early i i'm more okay with it than skipping ulti
on beast master until level nine okay i'll say it that way but still bizarre
twin gate time i want to still crack this top
Two on tower. And Ducales triant gonna sit there and protect it. Not seen much of that fella.
The tinker. 6500 net worth now is actually hop skipped and jumped to third place given all
this space by the rest of his team. Oh they're under the weaver. Parkers come in here with
sunray damage. They've got a big kill on the weaver. Now they'll transfer towards top tier one
where Ducales picked off by 33. No one will spam the march out and then blink and TP back home.
trying to zone out the aggressive move.
Yeah, it's micro detail still.
He didn't wait for the next creep wave to come in and march that one.
He marched a little bit early, so there's still a full creep wave to push with.
For the cat's pull.
And meanwhile they're taking Roche as well with the Aghanim Scepter.
This is a very nice timing from BZM going Roche.
All of that comes back to dominating mid lane.
The move is from Aria coming in mid, and Beastmaster just looking very confident.
He has blink aggs at 15 minutes. That's absurd. Beast is fucking huge dude.
Beast is massive. He's closing on 10k net worth. 16 minutes in.
And he's wilding.
He really is.
A minute faster than average on the aggs.
He's level 13.
It's so big. Normally tinker is the one out farming, right?
Usually a mid tinker will farm really, really fast and out farm other mid heroes
and they will have to go and do something to make up for the farm difference.
difference like a minute faster on eggs is nice four and a half minutes faster
on blink is insane yeah it's crazy crazy timing that will keep keep them
able to do a lot of stuff in the early game don't expect to be smashed slow down
much with the ages and he's a very low downtime hero even without ulti he could
still run at people that's what he's gonna do now they dive in behind tier two
top to Carlos trying to do his job of defending objectives I don't have reveal
over on satanic so no chance for a dust into roar there it looks like they've
just missed out on the opportunity yeah no one wants to defend this blink bag on
cooldown for a little bit so you should be fine to spam out the marches a line
joined by Ari saying he wants to try and shift in behind with a deep observable
they've seen the creep wave come and the weaver move across right to so panic is
there I want to try and catch him in on that camp Ari will start the BGM roar
they've got the dust and reveal this time they blow up satanic
satanic with a second death and short short time window here
definitely a slowdown weaver who's already not on a timer but going to fall off later on comparatively
to the faces void stunting his uh net worth really hard and parker has not been ganked and killed
the single time he got doomed the one time but they didn't bring him down because he had his backup
nearby. BZM, he flicks away from them. Supernova's ready but there's no roar so it looks like
Tundra don't want to go and bleed out in Aegis, lose any lives down here. Pretty dead area
of the map as Paravision have some nice vision to play into.
Yeah, Paravision can at least try and set up an area that they can play in and utilize
And also finding an arc in rune over for nine class
But for a second maybe you'll try and give that to a tinker, but I think it's busy farming
and you're catching the creeps
4k lead currently for tundra through the Roshan the objective they've got it makes a lot of sense
Still props to Paravision keeping up especially with this tinker
I can see a window closing in a certain time frame here
There's still a while until we get there
But, Parvishan, they need to make stuff happen before the double Mantis-style plus, uh, you know, Dispel over on Timbersaw happens.
Beastmaster's building Mantis, he already has the full Yasha, and the Faces Void is also going Mantis-style.
Once that really coincides, it's going to be hard for Treeant Protector, as his Ulti is just going to get dispelled.
Yeah, yeah, good point.
And his Ulti is their teamfight, it is their lockdown.
That's basically what he's got, yeah. Even the laser blind is going to be removed by Mantis-style, so...
It will be hard to stay safe in the fights.
Especially when you've been saying ringmaster's ability is very skill shot based.
You can't fully rely on them even though 9 class is a God of a player.
No one defends their bottom tier 1.
Still a little difficult for Tundra to keep approaching these lanes when you can keep pushing them out.
I am. I'm just...
This is where I'm starting to feel sus, you know, about it.
I know Sotanic is an insane carry player, right? He's like absolutely top level.
But tier 2 weighted dice? You haven't seen anything that's worth more than this?
I would like to, you know, talk to him and just see if he's...
Look at the math for it. It's so little that you get from it.
Damage-wise it's very little. Obviously he cares probably more about gold.
But in the jungle that he's farming now, you hardly get any gold increase as well,
as a lot of neutrals don't have a big gold bounty range.
Yeah, you get like 0.2 more gold on average for some of the neutral creeps on your creep camps.
It's really, really bad.
I also was, by the way, as a greedy player, I was also convinced that it's a good item.
Oh, you were, everyone, everyone was enamored with this idea of waiting the ice, giving gold...
They're going through the gates!
They're going in for the mission!
They're going straight towards them.
Wintercar is going to try and run away, but the jump in from BZM catches the doom.
Triple S is slaved!
I don't think that you can catch any more, PyroVision have dipped away with the remaining heroes.
That was maybe a moment where PyroVision could have taken a fight, the one by one through the gate, but they don't really have the big change ton abilities.
There is of course the overgrowth that we mentioned and the ringmaster will be, but these aren't reliable big, it's not a chrono.
Right? It is not a chrono. If they had chrono and people are coming through the gates, you just destroy everything.
Unfortunately, they're so far behind that even the advantageous spot is hard fights, and 9-class will get jumped.
They're trying to defy.
Sotanik's there.
Yeah, so hypnotize on Ari through the wheel of wonder.
Laser blind and the damage through the march of the machines will get them a trade for 9-class, for Ringmaster.
Just decent enough at least to get the wisdom.
Something for themselves, and they are getting close to a power spike.
Jinker is 600 gold away from having agonized Sector.
Once he has that, his damage output is going to be way better.
And I think they need it badly right now, their damage is just sorely lacking.
I mean, when you're behind, anything is something, right?
Take what you can get.
Timbersaw getting pretty monstrous though.
Yeah, Mantastyle, timing when Parker is coming.
You talked about his Gleb near from the Timber through that Kaiasan as well.
So tanky and damage dealing.
At least Parker, on face of void, is still a little bit away from the Mantastyle.
There's a bit of time until he gets it, so for now he can still die.
It's a super greedy build, the Mascamandas, Yasha, Melstrom.
It is vulnerable at this point in time, but the next items will be survivability.
It will be Manta, and then he's probably going to go for a BKB or something along that line.
He will become unkillable.
Breathe in Lincoln's Ferry if he wants to protect against the Doom.
I may be mistaken. I'm just thinking about the vibes of Tundra.
Comparing them early days of this tournament when obviously Park is standing in to now.
In the first few series we saw them put quite a bit of emphasis getting Parker off the ground giving him
Support giving him a lot of lane presence moving people towards his lane and playing through him
This game
There's been a lot of focus into three threes lane a lot of focus on BZM and they've kind of left park it to just farm and sit
And do what he wants
Yes, sometimes carry players. It's best to think of the hold up like a little island looking for a doom onto BZM
They've got that ulti and a wheel of wonder there as well
That is gonna bail and ditch on this one as well leave the beast master to die as white one goes to the TP
So close to having the whip, but just slightly too late
Yeah, I was gonna say something the best to think of a carrot player like a plant like a vegetable and
Overwater them no in the best sense, you know he will grow but you can't really stress it let it happen
You know just make sure you take care of it every now and then but leave them let them have sunlight
you know, let them have space.
I'm satanic.
He does not want to give space to his timbersaw.
It's going to be tiny that gets focused instead, where he gets that link out.
Still going to get tagged up by the daggers and the swarm.
A run of ATOS from 33 gets a bit of space for RE, but the chase is...
relentless from paravision.
And Wagga, I wish for precarious in my pubs, but like, rhubarb.
Yeah?
You can put a bucket over their heads and force them to grow.
Oh, rhubarb dude, that's some good stuff right there.
Just for some rhubarb.
It's like bamboo, that stuff.
Very quickly.
Triple S nearing his blink dagger.
B can he be already purchased?
I mean, this guy is the answer to the Faceless Void.
This guy is the answer to the Beastmaster.
He is going to really dream of the times in the future in this game
where he can get a refresh, robin, multiple dooms going.
There are so many targets to chuck it on.
At least he has blinked now, so he will have some agency over who he dooms, it's not just going to be whoever you stumble into.
Being able to blink, surprise someone, it can be really big as there's not any reliable save on the side of Radiant yet.
They might, by the way, already be setting up to buying Aghanim's on Phoenix.
He bought Etherland's first item, which is a telegraph that he will probably want Aghanim's later on,
for increased cast range on it to save people.
And that will be a very very saving a good saving tool against the doom one of the most frustrating things you commit fully on one guy
And then he becomes an egg
And the added bonus of course he's playing with the chronosphere right to having this hotspot Sunray
Yeah, and he fell in for a lot of damage
Tinker's gonna cancel that TP
Leave mine class high and dry
Yeah, you're on your own unfortunately on the support there and
And dying next to Roche means that the Roche could be on their minds.
It's gonna move top now though.
Reaver. Roard.
Did they have all the control? Parkus says yes, actually I do.
He's gonna stop time quickly as we pause to bring the bug down.
He should be pinging out that there's a ward.
He got blink ward out of nowhere, like has to expect something.
But uh, yeah, good work by Ari.
Planted long, long ago and now it's finally paid off.
Still a 4K lead though.
Tundra not really advancing by the metrics, but they are progressing the map.
Making this a much harder map for Paravision to traverse.
Taking a fight with that Junker.
On the Phoenix.
A blow up on Whitemon, but now they've shown their hand.
It doesn't look like there's going to be any response though with no chrono down, Parker says I'm not getting involved, I'm going to go back for farming.
Yeah, no initial response here.
Beastmaster, roar on cooldown, I'm not going to be able to go on the doom either.
At least they used no big cooldown for this on bear vision, get a quick kill, and now they're going to pop the smoke.
Looking to get that doom used.
Again, smoking in with not the biggest vision, they did see 33 walking up though, he's the target.
he's the target.
They just chained into them.
They jump from triple S, make stomp into doom, wheel of wonder, tons of control for this
Timbersaw, and plenty of damage out of the weaver as well.
Tinker comes in to finish it, taking that dominating streak away from 33.
Pretty clean, tiny thinking about getting a toss back, but dangerous to overcommit when
you already lost one hero.
This might just be a roach for them.
They have the Desolator, their damage is decent.
But faces Void, Chrono, 60 seconds away.
If they're gonna fight this, it's without timber, without Krono, it's a tall order.
It's really challenging.
It's gonna have BCM. Like, it has to be BCM winning this fight.
He's leaving. BCM is not getting involved.
No, he's saying, guys, what do you want me to do? I kill two people immediately? How do you fight it?
So, it's up to YCon maybe to steal.
Alright, he makes the jump in.
Satanic Hadori BKB preemptively. Feeling that was coming.
There was still a banner on the ground. He walked away from it. Can you take the banner at least, Ari?
Well, I guess nothing for his troubles.
No. No payoff for him.
That's good. Good practice to use the BKB there. He knew that they were watching him. They could feel that they were, of course, not wanting to give away a free Aegis.
BZM's found no one. Getting the stacks of drums going. Roaring the tinker. A BKB, a few little refreshes up, and now the damage turned from no one with his BKB and Ducal is coming in.
And BZM, when he got a beast out on his lonesome, he's bound up and trapped!
Overcommitting there, roaring into defense matrix.
Obviously dispelling and repositioning with BKB ready as well.
This tanker was way stronger than Beastmaster expected.
And that's just a freebie. The shard coming into some big value as well.
This is one of the most oppressive shards to play against if you don't have BKB.
Warp Flare is just an absolute nightmare.
Sure, he had Mantastal, but once the Mantastal is gone, that's it. He can't dispel anymore.
Then you just get pulled back, rooted, no way to leave.
And that was the Radiant Gem, right? The Radiant Ported Gem?
Yeah, yeah, he had Gem.
The Beesium had that no one just takes back to Fountain, so yeah, pretty big loss there for Tundra.
Yeah, they're all racing in SSS, and he's found an opening here.
Krono's expended. That's good Sunray damage in.
Park it's right to finish the job and triple s stays alive to get a doom off and bkb to run a survive
Dive in with a supernova not gonna come much a lot in the heel back there on triple s keeps him up and running
No one keeps on going they can finish off Ari with another touch, but they don't quite have it
He's blimped up to the left pocket. I still die though to the doom of triple s
And take tiny they don't know he's completely fine to sit here no teepee ready Ari is deciding what's happening bottom?
Basebass has been caught on.
That's some damage. It's gonna be fun.
We can run away from it.
The Manta Runway is gonna work this time.
But yeah, we're starting to see some big impacts from Tinker.
I was questing it after the previous games I've seen, you know,
but no one is showing up big this game already.
That gives him so much room.
Yeah, I spent a good 12 minutes falling jungle.
There we go. He cancels a TP too.
That's a grab on 33, pushing him back into the ancient camp.
A thug between a wall and a weaver.
He's really punishing all these no-BKBs, right?
There's no-BKB on any of the course on Radiant, and I think playing without it into this tinker is going to be really frustrating.
Non-stop just getting warp flared, laser, tons of damage.
I mean, I can understand the Manta choices, but Timber is working on his BKB.
I think maybe he needed it even before the Gleipnir, because right now he can't even TP out there.
skin called. No one you've been saying you know not reaching his peak yet. He's
been through a lot through his career success and failure but now back in the
driving seat. He's making us eat our words. A 13-picked Inko is showing exactly
why they can pick it so early. Yeah for sure. This is big for them as well.
Just moving around the map to being off to say tag to pressure into tier 2. A game in
which it felt like Tundra was starting to run away with it. Well away with it
about 15 to 20 minute period with our first Aegis. They look very good, but things are
falling flat now.
Yeah, weaver turning this into more, using his Aegis, taking down some tier 2 towers,
opening up the map. That's when Tinker really becomes a monster, is when he has the entire
map to teleport to, and all these TP spots are disappearing. They already stole the outpost,
so you cannot TP on your triangle anymore. Once the tier 2 towers disappear everywhere,
There will be a clear struggle for Radiant to get out on the field.
So Tundra waiting for B getting Timber, Lincolns on the face of Void has just arrived.
They've got that Lincolns on the Beastmaster, so there's a lot of tools here to deal with
Triple S's Doom, but I don't know if that's going to be enough to deal with the Tinker
who can pop them all the time.
Yeah, it's Double Manta Lincolns.
It is pretty good.
You have the Dispel plus, you have the One Spell block, but Tinker obviously throws the
laser throws the warp flare so he can break Lincoln's and go through immediately as you
mentioned and I think more importantly if Tinker gets to his sheavers he's gonna become
really annoying because Phoenix heals a lot, Beastmaster relies on healing through the
Agnem Scepter and even Phasis Void Timewalk is gonna get messed with so quite annoying.
Double ready to scan, smoke coming in, looking for the big chrono catch or initial catch
with Roar and then follow up with the corner. Shikuchi used mid. There's a jump and a dust,
Satanic moves forward, right into them, just to eat his Weaver. Ten seconds left on it though,
as Parker comes in looking at Ducalis. The overgrowth expires, Ari does get the move back
from the Weaver, but finished off by no one, who blinks in boldly. Finds the trade, support for
support. But this was Tundra's move. They were meant to get something big out of this with
with the element of surprise.
Yeah.
It's hard to commit for an early move there
right before the ages.
Now, ages timed out.
If the fight started at this point in time,
it would be simple.
You just chrono, pop everything into the weaver.
Maybe a box will save him for a little while,
but eventually the escape act will run out
till you kill him.
The timing of the fight was disunfortunate for Tundra.
Beastmaster gonna show himself.
Can they break Linkins and Doomin?
Jump to...
Break getting straight on top of BZM. He's not gonna last long there
Didn't even need it just changed on him
Trying to chase forward as well spotlights throwing forward satanic shikuchi with a TP tinker on him
Not gonna go high ground bow into this Parker faceless void straight up Krono on the weaver
Blow up satanic now the toss across avalanche on the new one triple S held in place white Mont
He's gonna come back across with a fiery spirits
Try and move in as both Ringmaster and Weaver die.
The positioning was compromised. The save was not there.
Ringmaster too far away to save the Weaver and yeah, Parker finds the moment to strike. Good catch onto the Weaver.
So, some signs of life for Tundra who have been losing a lot of fights in a row, but now winning anything in the mid-game, we're hitting that mark, right?
This is what Ticov said, the 33 and a half minute mark, does the Void entering his sweet spot territory?
Yeah, yeah, true.
This time though, Doom and Tinker as well, they also both scale insanely well.
Tiny was spotted, he knows they're being chased.
No way out, gets Warplared, dies on the gates.
Eh, they scanned him and find him.
Faces void, some kind of caterpillar. Takes a long time to get into that metamorphosis
pod, get into a cocoon, emerge as a beautiful butterfly, 33 minutes into the game. By a
beautiful butterfly I mean mind flayer looking ass guy with a purple tentacles.
He really is. The tipping down bottom, trying to use the vision from 3M to set up some tinker
moves. Beastmasters farming jungle, they see him. Ooh, quick reaction though.
We're going to get Dagger and Core in the Wheel of Wonder, half health, and BGM just
being battered here, taken out and 33 the next target, has to BKB and run away.
Tundra being picked apart by Paravision.
It's so rough.
Going for this Lincoln to Anne-Manta, again, Beastmaster not having a BKB is really hurting
him.
I think, I mean, I can understand the reasoning, right?
Doom goes through BKB, Overgrowth goes through BKB.
Yeah, they have Pikmi piercing stuff.
I still think he needs one.
He's queuing it up now.
But yeah, several times we have seen this tinker,
just abusing people who don't have
the item that he's prompting, essentially.
It's very similar to playing as the Valker or OD
without Pikmi, you get kind of wrecked.
Invasion onto the triangle. They have good vision behind it.
Straight move from SSS.
And they'll doom down Lotus too late. You're right. They're on to 33.
RE trying to back him up. The latest damage with the overgrowth on top.
Fighting with a click?
Chrono there on the cliff to find a tinker. The box saves it for now and Parker's kind of stuck.
Satanic with a double kill comes that hot. No one is fine.
Reigns ice and hellfire. Down on people as Parker's chased behind his tower.
Another dagger and a crack of the whip and triple S will help Satanic get it.
Goddamn Paravision. But this is a stronger Paravision than we've seen previously in this group stage.
Yes.
We definitely have leveled up. This is them realising how to abuse their draft together in this game.
Everything's clicking. They're diving past tier 3s now.
I found a go on White Monty Force, the dive and the supernova.
Oh, it's pulled the egg back!
What? He got pulled back right before he cast the egg. The warp flue was chasing him in the eggers dive.
He was wanting to egg behind the towers so that he would be safe
But then he got pulled right before he cast the egg and died because of it
Just reeled back in little fishy
So now he's gonna respawn without ulti as well
This work flare is that if we have an MVP that's not a human being it's just work there this game
Just go play the spell!
Straight up work there and push the Timbersaw into the creep camp top push the Phoenix back to all as you made
That beast master died to it several times. It's just insane the value it gets from it
And from that you lose Elena Barrett.
Might be more.
Tier 2's dying.
25 seconds still remaining on the clock for the Faceless Glory 3 spawn.
Yeah, Tinker's by the way maxed out of cooldown reduction as he took the level 2540 int talent.
It is giving you a lot of intelligence, giving you maxed out CBR as soon as possible.
The other, the other time it was very popular for a long time right?
The AW laser with agonist and he doesn't have agonist.
So it could be tempting to take it, but for any tinker aspiring players, I recommend try out the other times.
Actually, don't do that. I don't want to see more tinker players.
I'm tinkering my pumps.
No, take AWE lasers. Great, guys.
Keep losing with it.
At least.
While Tundra sensing that they've got to make a desperate move here, some desperate measures required.
Smoke up as five.
Get on top of some cars.
Get the tree in and try and burn them down.
Successful go, but Roshan put it in taken.
Now, Wheel of Wanda keeps them all back from aggressively moving forward.
Yep, just gonna take the advantage of the Rosh, get the Refresher's Shard over on the Doom.
Refresher's Shard, when you have BKB, Blink and Link in Sphere as well.
Of course, Doom is gonna be very happy for the next fight.
And Stannick kinda doing what we always see him do. He gets a lot of damage when he plays Carry Heroes.
He's got that Thadruse ready. He's dishing a ton of damage, so it's not just a tinker you have to deal with,
with a worry about the doom but this weaver he's clicking hard
yeah he's not gonna buy some Manta Lincoln's BKB on satan
he's gonna buy Daedalus and Rapier he does have a tier 3
weighted dice if he keeps a tier 4 man I'm gonna freak the fuck out
he better not keep it
he's winning with it
he is but that's because he's so good is he winning because of the die or is he
Winning this fight to die, Gareth.
I was curious, wasn't I? Maybe he knows something we don't.
I know everything there is about this item because I've sat and looked at the stats for it, Gareth. That's all I can tell you.
I wish we had easy trackable stats in Dota to see how much damage he gained or how much gold he gained from this specific item.
Super hard though, isn't it?
Yeah, that would be hard to track down.
Well, new neutral item. His options, his options. Waga, his options.
He could keep the way to die.
Straight away, he's like, FINALLY! FINALLY a new flight, and he immediately clicks the Flayers button!
Yeah, that's a DPS increase right there.
Oh, so thank god. Overgrowth?
That landed.
Rotivators to pop the Lincolns.
The Chrono-Defensive.
Oh.
Required from Parker.
Makes a jump on Satanic. That's risky.
Roaring up the Weaver.
Encaps no one, win with 9th class as well, alongside for the little box to keep the Satanic weaver alive.
A jump away from 9th class, blinds in time here as the Supernova lands on the Doom to the right-hand side.
BZM could have slaved you, Carlos.
They used all their stuff though, they could have run.
But now Z panic could just run rampant into the midst of you all,
forcing Tundra back into the base.
There's that awkward spot where they gotta pick off and they kill the Aegis,
but they're the ones who have to run away because they're very cooldown dependent in this fight.
No roar, no supernova anymore, and no chronosphere.
I actually think the Paravision with one hero down can still go for place right now.
Go and make something active happen.
especially having doom available and now we've with a damage we see how much
damage actually the phoenix did in that one six thousand they're gonna jump on
to a timber doom I'm not gonna get the range
etherlens possible very very strong from white one
that is before tundra if they could just reset and get the cooldowns back again
there's still good hope here to hold on to the game there's 16,000 gold behind
But gold deficit has never stopped a void from being a powerhouse in late game and he's level 24
Level 25 is a huge increase in the survivability
Nine class has got enough money for agonim scepter two charges on a scapegoat
So multiple saves into the chrono, you know, I think that's really big in this game. It's huge
Yeah, not every game that you want the agonim
Oh, they got it. They pop the linkens and force the BKB
Parker has to dip back to Fountain as 33, fronts for the rest of the team, but the banner is placed, the catapult's here and Satanic will open up on another lane of Barrett.
I mean trading out against the BKB might not even be the worst thing, they have refresher for the Doom.
They do not have refresher for the Void.
At the same time, waiting, controlling the map and then playing for the next ages seems like a very natural move for Paravision.
for ParaVision, they also have good vision with these treants, IS in the forest, kind
of pinning your opponents into the base.
17k lead now.
That's crazy to think back.
So how Tundra were dominating the first 20 minutes of play, and now ParaVision have all
of the answers.
Space, vision, their control from their heroes and ultimization.
Yeah, and Tundra have to keep answering, right? They have to buy Lincoln's and Lotus's and all of these tools to deal with the Doom.
They can't buy what they want.
No, they really need to itemize against it, and that's why we see the Lincoln Sphere for Tempestor again.
So, Triple Lincoln Sphere already. They're going for Lotus Orb over on the Phoenix as well, already while, of course, having one Lotus Orb on the Timber.
basically big reactions because it's not just do it's Tim Tinker as well
Tinker has a lot of targeted abilities that you know against the work there
against the laser so it's 9,000 spent on timber 5,000 spent on the B-Snaz
that's 14,000 another five on the face of void that's about 20,000 you spent 20,000
gold this game on items to deal with do pretty much I mean they still give you
some value outside of it but yeah you're definitely right they they have to
to address the situation a whole lot.
Because that could be, you know, refresher on the beast now, so that could be something.
Yeah, it's a very late refresher that is going for it.
It's going to be a sixth item instead of the boots. Swap it in.
It's not too far away from it though.
Parker hanging around the tormentor together with the beast.
A lot of heroes are coming this way. Can they burst attack it quickly?
I mean, they scanned him and saw him. They know that he's up here.
They chrono the weaver one of the box is already used by nine class and Parker son at the BKB for the time
There overgrowth comes out after BKB now. He's doomed up triple S lined it up on Parker and your faces for it is dead for
90 seconds plus
Long death and then even longer time before he's gonna be really useful as the chrono is even longer cool down
Going straight through the gates par vision wasting no time
They could have waited for the next Roche, but with this big advantage of avoid being deads, they're not gonna be waiting.
And I think you have to kill 9-class. How do you kill anybody against the two saves from Escape Act?
There's no way, and he has blink Etherland, so he can reach people as long as there are two screens from him.
That's a pretty big range of being able to save people.
So someone has to go in there. It has I don't know they're missing like a
Initiation hero that can actually go on the back line
But no silver edge on the Beastmaster because again those forced moves right having to go Lincoln's
It reached their tank on the moon if you want it to
He's got to buy back
33 very small Timbersaw
50-50 Timber still no faces for it though
just gonna keep hitting. Tossed back on Weaver. They've got the BKB for Satanic going though and that
wheel of wonder offering protection allows the Weaver to shred through Ari. Taken down with
Byback available. He's gonna have to use it to defend their base because Paravision is sticking
around finishing off not just bottom but mid as well. No one jumps in, Ari buys back 33s
There's a lot of sword. Just give him at least a little protection there.
You could basically just fall in 9 class in this fight and tell who's gonna win.
If you see 9 class and he's not dying, that means the paravision are gonna win the fight.
That's simple. Yeah, unfortunately they lose the bottom range rat and they expend 2 buybacks
and that's enough for paravision to say you know what, that's damage, we'll back out,
respect it and just go for a roach. They don't want to give a fair fight to Tundra.
Especially when they just squilted a double damage room top.
Yeah, very nice to talk about.
I'm assuming no one will give the bottle to Satanic to hold it?
Yeah, I always love this move where you just drop the bottle next to it, you know.
It speaks volumes to the map control you have as well.
You can just leave a bottle and just say, yeah, here.
Of course, a full bottle as well, of course, with a T-shirt.
He needed a bit of mana.
All these items, he has no mana regen, so it feels pretty good for him.
Refilling back up.
Even lurking in wake there.
The ambush predator's paravision.
And they've set up nicely on the enemy triangle.
Tundra trying to get out on the field, but it's so scary when you play against a tree and then all these all these little trees
You do have a gem of course and easy ways to dispose of them
But every time you run into a tree and kill it you're still giving away information where you are
When top lane gets to your tier 4 towers per version they're gonna have a pretty clear idea that something is not quite right on the map
Yeah, this smoke is pretty obvious when there's so many creeps inside the base. So right now you can see them tightening up
And to Carlos keeps that vision going yeah, there's the creeps in the base killing off. Oh, no, not the effigy
They're heading back. They're just gonna defend this basically them saying they're conceiving the control over the roast pit for now
They got triangle for a d-word white man will get spotted
We can listen in 33 having a chat with his team
I don't hear too much. I think it's very quiet. Suddenly silent in the Tundra camp. I guess
he was parking orders for a moment and then they've gone back to focusing. That's honestly
just how it is when I lose in a pub as well. No one's saying anything. It's really quiet.
No, of course these players are definitely locked in fully here trying to find a way
I think we had a moment there where he was barking orders and now everyone's listened they're all locked in
They're ready for this final fight if there's anyone who's gonna find a way back from our tough spot like this 33
He's got one of the biggest brains and auto mounts
So you listen to the words that that man is saying right now though honestly that you might get jumped the plan
It's probably to bait with him and Parker there the two with buy back
So 33 can use his life as a resource here try and expend it to buy time give vision so Parker could find a big crono
That's why he's still playing quite aggressively
He's peeked if he was expended though, they're gonna be happy with that Parisian giving a little bit of poke.
Now it's awkward for Timber if a big fight erupts. Contesting this roaches feeling like a distant dream, but they basically have to.
They give away ages, they're gonna lose.
They have to make a move.
33 front line, triple S on the high ground.
Sunray on in with an avalanche toss, the Tombow throws him in, but the box saves him.
Saves him, eons disc up, triple S runs forward, pops the lincoln's on parker, throws the dooms, this is somebody's to stop this man!
He's gonna chase down parker, supernova's being focused, St. Panic gets the kill, PZM's in trouble, and Paravid enough to round its under, and overgrowth is there!
Triple S is still full HP, heal to full again, and the weaver gets an ultra kill!
It's a desperate move, all they have left is parker, they still have the chrono, he didn't find a chance to do anything.
Doom on top of everything here. SSS even has one more Doom ready.
A buyback from Timber, but Parker Lincoln's pot has to defensively chrono and slowly walk away.
He might not be safe yet as the spotlight sees it. Exit stage left.
No one makes the jump. Triple S and 9 class force Parker to BKB and run. The Doom right on the face of Floyd's head.
Has another ulti to go as well, but Park is back to the fountain while the 33 timbers are about to be dead.
Forgotten and GG called Tundra tap out, paravision.
The comeback kings!
Tundra, they had a late game graft, but they couldn't get to late game in any decent shape.
They got beat down across the map. This tinker was everywhere.
I will give it straight up to no one here. He was carrying so hard.
No hard, didn't die a single time, and it was part of every early game fruitful engagement
was part of him and his chart.
I thought you were joking, 8016, no one thinker, what an absolute beast!
I'm not surprised, I've seen no one on Tinker many a time, and listen, we said it sort of
in the builder, really, Paravision for me, you know, he's the tempo set, he's the safe
pair of hands in the middle lane.
If he gets a game, Parabishion more often than not are going to win and even into this
draft where the Void was looming, got to say, as good as no one was, as good as Parabishion
was, wasn't really impressed with the Park of Void and you can see, you know, he's not
really played that a lot, it's not one of his signature heroes.
Yeah, it's just, I think overall because Tundra were doing very well, like for the majority
of these clips even, I think you'll see them like come out ahead, I think they were, you
you know, I had it again for like 20, 25 minutes until, you know, there was like this Roche fight that Parry vision Dengar to win.
I think overall Tundra made more mistakes in this game than I see from them usually,
but I will say that Parry had a like a very clear idea that they then like really executed because I mean, we've seen this thing here before.
If this hero is unchecked, which eventually he was at least in some categories, it just goes off.
I mean, both teams have the same kind of understanding of like, we want to play for our efficiencies, our farm,
and when we're ready, we'll try and break you, right?
on Tundra, Beastmaster wasn't leveling Ultimate, Phoenix wasn't leveling Ultimate, they were
playing for farm, everyone was kind of like getting ready, Ty was running into the map
playing with the Beast to take farm from the Tinker, like Tundra was trying to be that
efficient team that we'd watched replays from, right, in the waveskip and how they approached
it, but then when it came to like the game deciding moments, like Peabirds just had the
knowledge of like how they wanted to fight, like of course Tinker, we're going to go into
that in great detail, how he was able to break Tundra, zero deaths, zero deaths, and like
When you look at Tundra's lineup, as much as it looks great for the fight, if they're not the ones dictating the engagements,
their spells will be comedically used for survival.
I watched like four Chronos going,
AHHHHH, DON'T RUN AT ME, YOU KNOW?
I saw Roars for nothing.
It was like, this is the type of lineup that is actually really scary to play, if you're not in the charge.
And, uh, Kezva, I'm sure you love 9-class, right?
I actually did.
Did you?
I don't know if I would have ordered for him as it is.
No, I think the same.
Him and you know what? I think popped off.
I will say that this around ringmaster is a hero
I really like and I like his item built a lot like the lens the eggs
Which is like another reason if you don't answer your enemy heroes properly like you're gonna get punished
And I do think that this strongly happened there we go
I mean this guy zero deaths he like his like hero was picked second for them perfect itemization
He wasn't like all the moves mean sure it's tinker, you know, you can be wherever but still good itemization good positioning
He was everywhere
Good stuff production would you say in my ear? It pains them to give a stand-up player if it's a tinker
I know I everyone feels like that, but you have to give it to no one this time
You're just an imperious
Performance from him and like you say, you know look over on tundra. There were elements of the draft that were absolutely scary
I mean definitely had that gone to the light game should have been scary. Yes
Agreed do you want to start with that or we can do it think of us you can go first?
Okay, we'll go with Tinker. All right, roll the clip.
There we go, boys. See, look, we're just practicing new ways to talk between us.
And yeah, I think, of course, we're talking about the idea of, you know, Tundra trying to lead,
but this is a point where P-Vision got the first Roshan against the lineup with Tundra having beasts.
You'd expect them to maybe contest it. And no one, top of the net worth, runs into the fight with
BKB, matressing up the Doom, to keep him alive, of course, tree as well with the locket.
Like you chrono a doom you don't get the kill you already don't have an ages as soon as I saw this fight
I was like wait a second tundra's game is gonna disappear from them
Yeah, if you're not making a statement entry to the game at this credit
I hate this card. You like you don't you love it. I hate this. He loves it. Okay. Love's hate. Okay. I
Yeah, I hate you. I don't know why I'm trying to play it. Why do you hate it?
Look at it this guy like he catches you alone. It doesn't matter
He just keeps you hostage forever until you're gonna die
Like it's just annoying to play against look at like 33 in those clips
So I go up now you're staying here, and then he warps you around in the big hand a big
We have like what is this, but I will say that overall like party
I like that they went for like earlier BKB's on the two cores
I feel like they did all the things right that they needed to do they understood okay
Well if they go on us we have BKB's tree will heal us we're chilling
Where's tundra just looked very lost from the mid game and onwards
Yeah
And one thing that we haven't really spoke about is the idea like they put a lot of pressure on tinker
But because you have weaver doom on sidelines, they're very good at just quickly shoving waves and just like existing, right?
So whilst there's all this focus through mid through the kind of core part of the jungle doom and we were like, well, thank you so much
We're gonna have our game
We're not really getting pressured and then when we do need to play Dota we're ready to play Dota
Okay, well playing Dota at 35 minutes with this team fight, Kessin
Yeah, because you know, we need to show the things that it's maybe harder to see sometimes, you know
But there's a tree and the tree sharky gather that you love, you know down on the low
Oh, I hate it. Absolutely. Love. Hey. Okay, great. So then they get the doom on the team and now the problem in this fight
Look at no one's thinker. He's the big boy
But the problem is why does nobody have a nullify look there's a box and there's this stupid shield and there's living armor
Then there's dad and there's parkour on the high ground and it's like he
Took half HP off the thinker here the 18 pig boy. You're supposed to destroy this game
I'm a new have a board with 20,000 net worth. All right
I thought that maybe this is something that Parker has done in multiple games, right Parker Dota 2
itemizes for himself, okay? We saw Shadowfiend go for SMY and Silverage and
Hurricane Pike the other day. I got Norgess in the green room. Guys, where is
the nullifier? Where is the nullifier? No nullifier on Beastmaster and no
nullifier on the Phasis Void. And this is even before, so this is only minute 35.
10 minutes later, this guy is a Windbreaker, nine class on the Ringmaster. He has an
Agnem, so there's double blocks, there's Windbreaker. It doesn't matter who you go
on, you couldn't kill anyone. And I think when you're on the money, you talk
between the course okay you can go defensive but then I go aggressive
because they both they both have a link and stay both have matter these are
items you know that when you buy them in succession they don't give you much it's
just like small survivability 5k gold here it just and this is why I need to
really put the final nail in this parka tundra coffin all right parka has to
itemize with the respect of his team doing their jobs all right when you're
avoiding this game yes there are going to be ways to punish the void you're
You're going to be the main guy. When you corner, it's all about you in that moment.
But if you're buying Manta and the Lincolns and you have this Maelstrom, you're always
itemizing to, okay, I'll survive and then we'll kite and we'll do other things.
This doesn't show that you trust your team to do their jobs, right?
If you're initiating here, it's not knocking down the correct guys.
If you're not doing the damage yourself, no one's going to do the damage.
And I've seen it on Shadowfiend, I've seen it on Void.
He keeps itemizing, like it's some qualifier game where he's going to out-style the opponent,
but he's gonna out skill them. He's not out skilling anyone here.
So his itemization changed at least one of them to be aggressive,
like the nullify, like something kills, and we're gonna see them get kills.
But multiple games now, it just feels like he's playing for his own moments, not the team.
Well, you know, he's in the shop window, so he's got things to think about,
but he's gonna have to do better than that. We'll see if he can after this break.
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with the Colossus, today we are going to rank from 5 to 1 the best position of yours,
including yourself, okay?
Now there's many that will be left off the list, but if you had to choose, who would
you put as rank 5?
That'd be the worst of the best.
Okay, now let me think, because in my priority list, I know like, you know, everyone will
say to you, Snake Inc and White Moon, they are one of the first.
Okay, okay, don't take them. Okay. Hmm. I thought you're gonna put wipe on his fire. It's very bad very bad
No, no, so, okay number five I would put
King jungles king jungles number five big respect big respect
We are also talking about who looks the most ripped
I think he improved a lot through last year and he's learning cause always good
And I think he's becoming better and better. Oh
Big words. I'm sure he's gonna be very thankful for that. Who would you put as number four?
Number 4. I would put myself.
Wow!
Because you're not putting me, right?
Yes!
I would put myself as 4.
Absolutely! So humble! What a humble man! That's very kind of you! Alright, Panama is number 4.
Okay, number 3.
I would put the... I mean, I think Kaori. I think he, like, at least, like, if we're talking
right now on this meta, it's like all his best heroes, Varlok, Vakiro, Phoenix, like,
He's unbeatable on these heroes, so yeah, he's really good right now.
Yeah, I thought they were gonna nerf those guys after he won the last one, but not really, huh?
Okay, alright, move it on. Who's number two?
Uh, I would put Snaking.
Snaking, of course. Is that a respect thing or what?
I would say half-half. I think he's playing like for a long time, like really really long time, like...
15 years I guess, something like this, yeah.
Yeah, 100 years I think, yeah.
And he's really good on his heroes right now, maybe he's not that good, but...
Still like he's not on his peak, but he's trying his best still okay, trying his best get you a number two as per usual
I big number one who is the best here?
It will be white one. I
Think he's putting a lot into the game and Pundra is winning a lot and I'm watching a lot of his replays recently
And he's really good. He also find the new build on post five like you buy two fairy fires two branches
So yeah, I really like it. So I think he's ready. He's the best right now
I am taking notes to fairy fires to branches. You'll see it right there wipe on the innovator. You got a respect
All right, thank you very much, but we all know it's you as number one of course don't lie to yourself such a humble boy
But there you have it from the call
So welcome back despite a well-constructed draft tundra are down against para vision and now we
have to see if 33 and company can come up with something to get back into this one are they
going to do with T governor? Well, I hope putting it on the line. I hope so, because
of what you know, we're meant to be put on the show, enjoy, but I agree. I mean, it's
so hard to read with that team because obviously they always look like checked out and sad and
depressed. Yeah, that's right. Checked out sad and depressed after that game. It's
true. Oh, look, we've got some talking 33 is going to smile on your back. No, no, he's
like BGM guys. Park is not buying some items. He's not killing anything. All right, so
I need you to be the killer right? I'll do it on the side. You buy the nullify. Yeah, this game is called nullify
Yeah, really good. Yeah, so once you click on the enemy you actually have to kill things in chrono and we'll help them on that way
All right, then do you think goes wow, that's really interesting. Yeah, I thought of them
But again, don't talk to don't talk. Okay. I said moon to talk to Parker right now
I'm not smooth talking to Parker. We'll talk about the real stuff. Moon's currently talking about lunch. All right or dinner
He's like Parker. What do you want? What do you want? You want chicken nuggies?
Cook a coat. I mean he's next or he hasn't earned any chicken tendies at all. No chicken tendies
Um, I was trying to think of like a miracle diet or something that you might feed a superstar, but like Red Bull and yeah
Yeah
Well, oh again as much as we mean it. I really feel like tundra are moving in a good direction, but it's like they're just
It's just like one little thing every game where it's like if this wasn't obviously a stand-in
They they would have the correct item
They would have the correct movement like it's just because like the stand-in diff and also with Parker
It's like it's not as simple as a standard as like a shad a ghost insert any kind of
Team player style carry where they're gonna do work for the team like you are leaning more on park and I have no idea
We're guessing here like I don't is itemization a thing that they are talking about that
Do you think you talk to Parker and go we need you to do this?
We need to do that because like it is a theme of like every other game
I'm seeing it
But you really think like 33 or moons going to him going can you please do this or do you think they are just allowing him to play
his game as the stand-in. I mean I think they're allowing him to play his game
but then at the same time like while we I think I call him out when necessary I
think at the same time it's like so if I'm the Beastmaster this game if I'm
BZM I think it's also like important that so like you know you do your job you
expect the other guy to do his job but like he's the stand-in and maybe you
put yourself on like a higher degree of like what should be done so I will check
his itemization I'm like okay I will let him do his thing he's not queuing
nullifier well then I will you know give up your Mantis style or your Lincoln's on
the Beastmaster, then you go to Nullifier to make up for it, or you tell him, yo, I'm going
to build a Nullifier if you go meal near next, we're going to kill them together. Combine
it in a way where it's not just like, oh well, now we're all buying defensive, now we're
all buying aggressive. Dota is and always has been about the correct balance. You need
to find a timing, you need to find a moment in the game that you hit properly with your
complete strength altogether at once, and if you don't do that, it's just going to be
hard, because party vision, they obviously did that. They were chilling, getting towards
her stuff using it was more straightforward worst time I think they needed to hit those boxes and
they just didn't as we hadn't ever got it hit the boxes watch that's what you read on us in 33
kind of go back to more staples rather than some of the more fresh off-laners does that tell us
anything I'd argue he he was on a staple with the timber saw I think he is kind of in that I think
staying to that is helpful like he finished the game the scoreline is not too crazy 972 like he
He has all the items behind him, so I think continue.
To your question, to continue what 33 is currently doing, play the tides, the timbers, the gold
absorbing heroes.
Yeah, I think it's good because like you're saying, his staples are the ones that they
can make a lot of space, but then also if he's given space and the gold, he can obviously
do a lot.
I really like his itemization, like on the timber, you go to his vanguard early in the
lane against the weaver and the tree and you don't die, then you can split it into the
atos, into the glade near later, and it's just like really nice, it helps you in the early
You can split it into the mid game and I think he's always this type of player where it's not just the hero
He's playing he has a complete idea of I like this hero because of this match
I because I'm gonna build this item and I get this and I have this timing so he should just continue doing that
I think it's more about them really figuring out as a team when they want to do something together
Kind of like we watched in the clips, you know, it looked like it was very clear
It's like okay, we're not fighting for five minutes six minutes
We're hitting this this and this item and then we're going I think in the last game
They either had a completely wrong read or they did not talk about it
It's party first phase ban viper, which I don't think we've seen very often
I mean most of the time when we
Saw like you know one hero that then triggers the other here to be picked would be like a viper pock trade
So maybe this is something where parry are aware. Okay, you know when we're first pick
We're expecting them to ban those four heroes. So we're kind of forcing them like into something
I think it first phase ban. Honestly, I don't mind it. After what you saw, and you also saw them play it the other day, just no more.
Tundra aren't progressing the map quick enough to be able to play into a tinker, like killing a jungle camp and taking a mid tower, that's okay.
But you need to take every tier 1 tower, you need to play for even like a tier 2 tower, you need to like really be in the face of the tinker.
think again the map is so big that can you realistically shut the entire map down?
The answer is going to be no.
Yeah, it's really difficult.
I mean, they used the tree very well, I think in the last game.
Like, Lucalis, you know, I mean, he did about as much as you can do on a tree, and you know,
it's more about where you are on the map.
Considering he was like countless, like, single.
Yeah, like, he had like no trees to play with early on, but then later, you know, when you
get the shard, he had, I think, very nice placement, that's also something, at some
point maybe tundra you know it's something you can't forget about you
stop axing all the trees you stop shock-rumming all the trees because he
had a lot of impact with his hero. That is the joy of the hero. You just you
you're reminded about it at every minute in the early game due to living armor and
then in the late game it just takes one blunder one bit of like oopsie we
didn't think about the vision aspect you don't buy gem early you're gonna get
ganked one time it really is just like the kind of X like the hero in that
regard. Tundra, they take the shaman. So a hero that wants to play on initiation for vision
from the tree maybe can counter the shaman down the line, but giving that instant jump
that way to go, this guy is going to die. It's already a good start for Tundra at least.
The cause will always enjoy playing with a shaman.
Just makes for a good lane. You can actually beat the tree in back in his face as the shaman,
especially if you cut some trees. I think also a lot of the heroes with 33 plays are
quite good with some of the range force. I mean, he's a master of the offlane. Whether
you play him with Emili, he's the best guy at pulling, and if you're the range guy that
fights on the side, you know, he will fight in his tight hunters, he pops one little gosh,
suddenly you win the trade on your POS4. So, Tundra should be very happy with this. Maybe
you know the classic, there's always the warlock potential that they can go for later if they
want to. Parry most likely already have their 5, so something Tundra can't think about.
But Tundra picking out a phase, they already had a shaman, are we assuming with like Jakiri,
Walox in the pool, it's going to be that type of pick where the five that progress the draft,
or they're a core that we're missing, that's high value?
Maybe if they find like a flex core, I mean, does Parker even play Razor, but it's always
like you know you get out of his phase, you think of yours, I can go like multiple roles.
The beast is in there.
I wouldn't necessarily think of Parker, like when I think of Razor, his name doesn't come to mind for me.
No, it's not at all. I cannot remember a time that he played Razor, at least during his stint on Tundra.
I mean, then it depends. If you have like one offlaner where you feel like, okay, I see Triant,
I put one ban on something and then I can pick my hero, like whether it's some ban or a pick tide.
I took the words right out of my mouth, I'll say that's the only thing I could have thought of in regards to the off-line up off-line play.
And then maybe you get razored by Parivision, you know, I don't know, obviously there's
always avenues, but if you don't find something a core doesn't feel good about, then just,
you know, jam in the core, it's okay.
And then jam in the support, because it's a lot about also drafting, it's a lot about
feel.
Like sometimes it's not only like it's not always backed up by logic.
It's more like, well, yo, I want to pick this hero and then your player goes, I don't feel
good about you doing it like this instant response, you move on, you go to the next
core and they're like, no, I want to see more.
And eventually it's like, one of your supports will speak up, give me warlock.
Phoenix. Well that work. Crazy. It is crazy. But let's see. I mean if there's any team that I would
you know expect to make good adjustments or maybe even more specifically if there's specific players
and coaches I think 33 and Moon are definitely up there when it comes to making small adjustments.
Like small adjustments that actually can mean a lot whether it's itemization or one pick in a draft
or even just a gameplay moment. Like they will know what's up. You say that they are taking
a ton of reserve time. There's the Ursa.
Into the Invoker.
Into Invoker, okay.
You all saw it coming.
No.
No. I mean, Ursa ban, I can easily make sense, because no matter what, on 13 or 16, 17, any pick in this position,
18 Ursa is just going to be locked in based on how Tundra normally drafts, right?
So I'm perfectly fine with the ban.
The Invoker pick is often Tundra's back against the wall type situation.
situation. I feel like you can go to any tournament in the last couple years and you'll always see
a low bracket game, a random game where you're like, ah, they've used the Invoker card to try and
get out of this. That's true. It's the BCF Invoker, like when in danger of break glass. Yes, like, oh
God, and they already have the shaman, so there's going to be the potential, you know, cataclysm play
if they want to go for the other facets and there's ways of being players. Hasn't been played by
Tundra obviously yet this tournament, so this is exactly what you're talking about, the back to
the walls. Yeah, it's always once per tournament. Can we talk a little bit about what's going on
with Invoker? Because obviously iconic hero not getting picked. Why? You need one, you need your
mid lane to be a specialist in hero, of course. And then there's just a debate of what type of
game are you playing. Are you playing for the wave skip and the tornado spawning agnoms or are you
playing on big cataclysm sun strikes? And if there's no way to get sun strike kills in the early
game and you're wasting your mana and there's like weird moves happening, you can easily
delete your own game.
Well, you've got to show you.
Exactly.
I feel like for Tundra, it is inevitable that there's always going to be one game with it,
but for other teams, you just don't have the specialist.
There's nothing really else to it.
Unless I'm missing something.
I mean, I guess in like most mid players are like the spirit guys.
So like when you swap out like the spirit heroes or like the Puck, Fjorn and Volker,
game changes like quite drastically because he's just like this guy in mid that's gonna throw out
sun strikes to the side and I think this heroes also more volatile when it comes to counter matchups
like whether it's a conca an ember or even here you know with the slaughter it's a very bad matchup
for invoker like the heroes very fast if you go forward you can kill it in the lane obviously being
corrosive haze doesn't matter if you go swark but overall you know they were still setting up for
the same thing they did ban out the ursa you get the tide later on it's obviously great with the
Invoker when you're given the time because both heroes when you look at them in a vacuum
They're very slow and very static like they're not moving to each other
I mean, this is the point where like thunder locks in like a Chen and
E.T. Some random dude and they say, you know what as for guys
We're gonna be able to do everything we need together and then Parker he'll get whatever he wants to play for like I can already
Kind of picture the concept hundred bringing into play here. Sure the warlock. Ha ha not bad. It's there like
everything on tundra has
Just stated we are playing all the team fight all the damage will come through invoker and
Parker will just get his lane, but that is the adjustment we're seeing. Yeah
And so what has satanic played like generally when you look at hide you want to like counter him at least in some way like
High DPS can be quite right
Okay, that makes sense because I was also looking you know they banded T8 themselves
So like thunder I kind of making use of it
But cling slaughter of course goes without saying insanely high DPS a lot of these heroes
I mean, Tide is fine against Clint, so you're not really dying to him, you don't care too much early on, sure you get hit, but the others, they really care about this hero.
In the mid-to-late game, you can die there, when there's like, Ags and Deaths, they look like Tide will disappear, and in Tundra, they're going to be very happy with the fact that they are just always ready to take the big teamfight.
And the difference this time is the teamfight is not on their carry, it's on the supporting task to the carry, so I think that kind of how they use it will be very different.
That's a good squad for taking objectives as well, obviously, with the wards and the golems.
Yeah, it will be good, but you have to be very careful, because when you step up to a tower,
if Slardar has the blink and Clinkz has the deso and you put yourselves in a tower-taking position,
if you get wrapped around and getting jumped, you can get blown up very easily.
Again, Tundra, they just have so much specialties on their players, so I think this comfort is very
important. I am still just worried that P-Vision have very clear ways to play the game. It's like
let push, take easy commensure, take Russia, yeah don't worry I'm struggling here.
You're doing better than you were on the day one, day two with the voices.
I have no idea what's happening. Now it's just the words are going. But the voice sounds and the voices
there. The voice is sick. The voices in my head though they're screaming. They're loud. They're very
loud the lambs yeah you've got mars at least taken out because still for parry like if you can
lock down these heroes like at least in like you know one place they will die like zarder clings
together you amp up the guy most people you know will of course be taken out and parry i would
assume zarder he's just going mid so you're looking for an offlaner that links well with your ring
master hopefully you can cover him with the two bands so like a thing we're looking for like a
a generic offlier.
Can't they just
raise blind is doing bad.
Have we could like can they not just run back to doom?
I think they could against the tide.
You just do him or doom the invoker.
Solar goes to mid.
You're playing into a vote.
You're going to be chilling.
You got like they is running up and down the river doing your job.
So
I don't before the last game.
I don't think I would have been calling for doom.
But how P vision played around it and seeing the same styles of like
No one is a tannic kind of combination plays. I don't mind it.
Yeah, honestly, I see a few. I think the Doom works just fine. It's super good against the Tide.
So they're gonna take out the Faces Void. I was thinking of some other...
Centaur, I like a little less. I just don't like it overall against Tide.
Like the Chargers fully neglects the Stampede. You just don't get to walk away.
There's the Bristleback. I think up there, Ali, maybe with some...
You have got the Minus Armor. You can build some like chill items if that's something you value.
This is okay.
There's fun options across the board.
There's also Primal Beast, a hero that can...
Yeah, I love what like Primal.
That you ban out the void was kind of annoying to play into.
Now you have just clear backline finding heroes,
and, okay, Primal's get banned by Tundra,
so that can't be a possibility.
Doom's fine.
What's the hero here, you said?
Bristle.
Bristle.
It's also fine.
Yeah.
You just buy Lotus, and now Shaman Warlock hate playing into it.
Cold snap's kind of annoying.
So if you want Lotus and Aura, you go Bristle.
If you want a core deleting aspect, you go for the Doom,
so they do go for the Bristle.
The three heroes we were talking about,
I'll kind of fund, depending on how P-Vision wants to play the game,
who can have their own merits.
So what do you do?
I mean, Bax against a wall is super greedy,
but I could see Parker, you know, want to pull out his Morphling,
what you want in this game is you should be looking at a high armor hero
who builds Manta style.
So heroes that can come to mind for you
are like, I think, TB and Morph. I don't love them laning with Warlock, if I'm gonna be honest.
Maybe you just get through it and it's like, kind of fine. But those heroes, like, they take the
Box. Manta, a hero who abuses Electrily later, I think checks the Box. Phantom Assassin,
Warlock, PA lane, kill the Ringmaster three times in the lane. You can like, be elusive.
Clink tries to kill you. Blink out. And I'm just gonna put a random hero,
And that's why they go to the Muata, no.
To be fair, we never really talk about Muata.
But whenever it's picked, it's like the, ah, yeah, of course, against physical damage.
It makes sense, right?
I like it a lot. You have three physical cores on parry, so you're old, it's just insanely good.
I guess you don't need to build Mantle, you have your own Dispel, you get Alacrity later, you're quite happy.
I think I'm quite happy with Tandros Rathir.
here. What about the skill build though? Does he need to make the silence? Oh my god. If he doesn't,
I will lose my mind if he doesn't still silence. We are going to preemptively warn production that
I'm done on microphones by several decibels. Oh my god. If there are the 19 level more to
without the cooling, that is, then I just want them to lose no matter how well they play. Like,
if you don't take silence until then, like means a side, it's bad. Like there is no,
If you've just tuning in today and you missed it before ultimately the tail is Parker didn't take the silence and in a game
Where it would have been exceptional. Yes, but Richard stats are very
In in its place took stats and there and Kezu had a breakdown
Yeah, I did and don't forget that the stat on this game
If he doesn't level it will be potentially that time to eliminate it
So that is a stat line to think about alongside the stats that Parker might be leveling throughout the game
The good news is, as it was a few days ago, I'm sure they've had time to review that demo and realize why it would have been a good thing.
Yeah, like, hey bro, skill your skill, it's good.
I hope, like, overall, because what Tanra needs to do, they need to hold the map in a way.
Like, Parry, you have Slaughter mid against Invoker, it's a favorite matchup, they're gonna move around the map.
Like we said before, like, Invoker tied, they're slow, they're static.
Parry can be very explosive in this game, I do think they need to be, like, get this first ages, open up the map.
Because if Tundra get to slow it down, I think their middle late game is pretty strong.
But they are going to slow it down.
You literally showed how Warlock and Shaman invoker drop their gold and drop those wards.
Like they have all the way to get back.
This is a game for Tundra where they've made the adjustments.
They should invite P-Vision into a bad fight in one time,
unless they have the same mentality as game one.
Then sure, they're going to get picked apart, but they have made the adjustments.
I'm expecting this to go to a third game if Tundra execute on their heroes correctly.
Yeah, and it's like I was saying as well. I think with the heroes that they're going up against
If they do lose those teamfights, there is push there. They can lose towers pretty early on so it could get quite oppressive for them
Yeah, again, I have faith in tundra this time. I think we're going to game three. We're game three
I do see you know the avenues of what parry can be their draft is very scary
We cannot very scary. We cannot like look over that their draft is very good
If they get their timings and they play cleanly and they punish tundra it will be insane
But with the excellence of tundra the history that they have like you assume that they can deal with it
Okay, right well we're about to get into the action. I think if I'm clear to do it
We are okay good that means I can now throw you back to gamma water
How you doing
Broke gareth I think my this will be a solo cast from now. This is just giggling to himself
your swamp pack! Off we go, game two, Chandra vs Paravision.
We'll see how this one goes as Chandra gets a lot of their signature heroes with 33 on
Tide, BGM and Voka. Ari on the Shadow Sharpen, we should have the agents of Gala on the sparring
sun strikes across the map, but it is a fearsome Paravision lineup with a ton of Minasarba,
Roche taking capability and some tempo behind his bristleback.
They're not fair mix between Skirmish and Teamfight as well on the side of Paravision.
They have the Triendolti, they have Ringmaster Ulti, pretty big impact there.
Obviously it was very strong in the previous game as well, but yeah, I think overall team
fight I would favour, Tundra, the Skirmish though.
And what do I find, he's going to get shackled up here.
That's a shackled as Sunstrike!
First blood incoming, Whitemon kills off no one.
That's the dream right there.
Beautiful star get involved down at the bottom rune spot.
First blood, even going the way of Whitemon so there's Warlock not only getting his plus
wanted a grimoire but even a little bit extra gold is literate. Yeah, he's got stuff coming in,
extra resources, magic stick and some upgrades. Sunstrike to secure the range creep,
make sure no one can't get the deny, and Grace starts a BZM in this lane, getting some free time
to set the lane equilibrium where he wants to, and of course that first blood, additional bit of
xp in gold definitely helping out. Peeping into the side lanes here, we've got that Tidehunter down
at the bottom lane with the Shadowsharmon
and they can play straight up, they can lane drag,
they can do what they want with this range plus melee
and I guess with a treatment in lane
you do want to keep that lane as close to your tower as possible
I do think I want to say that Radiant's offlane is a bit stronger
than the Dire offlane
Dire offlane looks like it's going to have to rely a lot on shenanigans
we already have them happening of course
Zarya is running away with the bottom creeps
but the Radiant offlane, the Bristleback
find power spikes where it can actually threaten the Marta. The Bristleback. 3S is in his name now.
And we've seen this Bristle pop off. Whisper. Was it yesterday? The other day anyway with that
Agnan's refresher build just completely dictated. Oh yeah, a game for heroic.
I think maybe not, but that also goes back. You know, we had that game. It was very interesting.
I think it was a very slow game with a lot of long breaks, no fighting, and then the refresher looked absolutely genius, because he did so much damage, but as I thought about the game afterwards, it's like, this really wouldn't have been the case had the game been higher pace and looked differently.
And this game, just looking at the heroes we have, I think we're going to see a lot of this.
Sunstrike, kill after kill, lining up on these side lanes. Are you the one to take the name of Ducales?
Yeah, if that game was higher tempo you're wondering why do I spend six grand on this item that does one thing every
long duration. Yeah, it's a very very costly item, but nice kill down bottom. Invoker of course throwing that imbalance with the Sunstrike.
Shaco is a fantastic setup.
They just bottom lane, they can be looking towards the most too, because up top they don't really have a reliable setup.
Onto the tide.
Shaggle to keep the tree back, but Satanic keeps the burning arrows going.
Firefire, and there's a very far heal, and 33 has actually gotten the distance, the triple gauntlet, and now the south.
Those are his limits, this man.
Nine class up top, snikes out Parker's courier though, as they play in behind the tower and start getting close spray stacks up.
Shadow word there, three quills on the Muerta. It looks like triple S is just gonna fall back.
Oh, Warlock of course, very good at keeping the Muerta healthy. Keep throwing heals on her.
Gonna be a lot more defensive usages of the spells from Warlock on this name.
Still kind of spooky, you know, I'd say tank around half HP. You wanna be keeping your whips about you.
Shackled up in Sunstrike, losing a core hero is a different story to losing a tree of every now and then.
That's very true. He does have a lot of magic stick charges and soon enough you will have Death Pact again, so he will be on the horizon for him.
And passively he is winning the lane quite nicely by just harassing with the Searing Arrows, even a tanky Tidehunter.
Oh, they tried for a Sunstrike setup.
Yeah, going for it. So Tanex popped his wand already, getting turned into a chicken and clicked by the Shattersharmen.
Not enough to finish him though this time.
Good move by Ducalis. Every time the Shantles comes out, Ducalis is trying to tank it together with him, but up top!
Excuse me?
Yes, that takedowns. The level 3 Pyro Spike of the Bristle.
Level 2 Quills, enough to kill off Parker.
And you were right, that top lane very strong for ParaVision.
And at the same time, we're also seeing in the mid lane, 19-7 Slardar, 14-5 Invoker.
Even though we're getting these Sunstrike kills and BGM's feeling good about himself,
He's still being outlasted hit by this melee fish in the middle lane.
Yeah, the slaughter should be winning the lane overall, but as long as you keep getting these Sunstrike kills, the Invoker is going to be very happy with himself.
See, I replay actually what happened up there, very nice.
This Parker started by going on the Bristle. Did he just backfire from here? Overcommit?
Oh my, oh my god. That should not have happened.
No.
No, Pop.
I don't have any further.
That's not even really nice.
That's not even really a thing.
I don't have any further additions to that conversation.
We'll leave it at that.
Yes.
Unfortunate.
I'll try to rise again now.
I mean, Triple S is really laying it on Vic here.
Fives back to Will's.
Make it four now as he dips back behind Tower, but this Bristle keeps on chasing.
Parker, dead twice in quick succession.
Fatal bombs with Sunstrike though at least gets turned to something.
Parker is having a mare.
Oh, yeah, he's gonna respawn and have 10 seconds cooldown on the town portal, no boots, he's gonna have to just sit and wait for 10 seconds, no walk of shame, but a little, I don't know, a timeout in the corner, I guess?
Muerta, have a snack?
Muerta, wishing she had the offender to respawn back to lane, if only!
Now BZM is being eyed up in the middle lane.
Ducales has made the long migration through the forest, through the river, planting his
roots and flourishing there to get a kill on the Invoker.
That's a nice move by Paravish and recognizing that there was TP reaction up top and nobody
can TP to mid really.
Warlock did have TP but Rasta didn't and Rasta is the stronger one that's reacting to these
dives.
Once Warlock has his ulti of course he's going to be very happy about counter TPing.
For now he's not that strong.
Ori and 9-class run into each other.
White one of BZM gonna try and chase back up the staircase.
But it's not just 9-class. There's a Bristol bike alongside this ringmaster.
Ducal is in no one diving past the tower. Shadow Ward nowhere near enough, heal.
Oh boy.
He gets plucked while BZM...
He does my boots.
There's no escaping.
The spit has been like...
He's got a lot of scruff.
...Scariff.
Triple spit! Gets a double kill.
This is some nice activation, Paravision just not waiting around.
Meanwhile, we have Satanic chasing the Tidehunter, committing hard to messing with him.
He's sacrificing creeps on the tower to do this, but I think it's the correct play.
Force this Tidehunter to TP out, don't let him farm this, plus the jungle.
So a lot of CS missed by Satanic, but it's probably still the correct move for sure, I think.
Any way they can pull this wave into some creep camps or something?
They have a small camp, but ultimately this wave will push so 33 he knows he's gonna get the CS coming eventually
Yeah, there's nothing that can really kill off this many creeps
And then R is there to get the wisdom shrine
Radiant scan of Ducalis knowing that people were there doesn't go for the contest
So it just gets the trade satanic just ping bottom. He's pinging saying guys with a gigantic creep wave here
Go bottom. Let's use this instead of letting 33 disfarm this there's no ravage yet
So, this can backfire on 33?
Yeah, I mean, no one has made the long swim over.
Wrap around.
From Paravision, he's got to spot Ari first.
The initial point of contact if they just get in that tree line.
No one spots him.
Immediate hacks from Ari, so quick reactions.
Support firsts.
Tundra bringing Warlock down here to try and remedy the situation,
but they're losing their Shadow Shaman.
Golem dropped in some good fatal bombs, could cause problems for Parry,
but Parker misses the dead shot.
Doesn't get the pushback, and Satanic tips himself to salt in the wounds, really rubbing it in!
Yeah, that's again a costly move keeping down here. I mean, good reaction, but they got nothing for it. Golem was used.
Kerry was brought, and Paravishing get away with it.
My Parker on his march has taken the two guns and shot himself in both feet!
Nice to be rough!
Can at least push tower, but Ravage isn't up yet, so sure you have Golem for now. They got dives to the Tannock.
This is decent if they can get this kill. Shackles and the Sun Strike coming in.
Half-HP six, Hannock breaking free.
Walking away?
Faithful bombs on him, the damage ticking up. Decalus is dropping low with triple S there.
They lose the tree in, but Ari's the trade in a one-for-one while defending their tower
and getting on the park are no one and triple S! The Bristol back is annihilating them! A double!
If they had Ravage, I would totally be behind this dive, but without Ravage, that was a really desperate move.
You can tell Tundra we're uncomfortable by the fact that they all committed down bottom and needed to get something out of it
Unfortunately, though, there wasn't enough damage to kill the Glinks. He's a pretty healthy hero
Even with a shackled to some strike. He just walked it off
And who needs stuns? You got damage? Bristleback just spams grill sprays and kills off a bunch of people
Fantastic start for Parivision for sure. This is before ancient stacks. This is before the acceleration of the Bristle either
Yeah, the lead is only 2 to 3,000 gold right now, but it feels like more because of how it's played out.
Parker's net worth is still decent, but it's got good CS. The Merc doesn't necessarily far behind, but she did die three times, so all the cores are so healthy on Radiant.
Ducalis and Noon trying to rustle BGM in the jungle. He's got a little program going on here in the neutral camps.
Shackle and Sunstrike U is no kill yet. Ducalis is about to die, but Noon's got the opening here.
Oh, the fatal bombs, they hurt.
Look at 33's experience on Tidehunter.
How sad do you think he is during the-
The park has died up top again, my man.
Like he had this experience during the entire skirmish, just sitting 20 experience away.
Sunstruck misses.
This is my try by BZM, but it's not good enough.
He's gonna shackle the ring master. There's no Sunstrike now though. There's no follow through
They've got a tornado, but it's just gonna
pop away from that
Yeah, meanwhile triple s is happily just pushing the top tower clints making his way down bottom to keep farming
They do have ravage available to skill up
I think meeting up with the tight hunter is gonna be the best bet right now
Your carry is 1, 4 and 1. The offlaner is 7, 1 and 1 and Parker has TP'd up here, so I need to come and
Protect this Murta as best as possible. He willingly wanted to play the Murta into the Bristol. It's a pretty dangerous matchup
Like yes, it's good on paper in later teamfights. You can pop ulti and you can't be hit
But landing stage is vulnerable. Murta is a low mobility hero and Bristol does a ton of physical damage
Whereas Murta has low armor for being a carry
Now I thought we would see Parker bust out his smurfling, or maybe even the Slark.
Yeah.
But so far this Murta has struggled.
Well, it definitely looked like they were frustrated and struggling to find that last hero,
just judging by facial expressions at the end of that draft.
Oh, Trients get spotted.
He does, but Ari can't quite grab him with the shackles.
Now he saw him put down the sentry and immediately runs the other way.
Good reflexes under Carlos.
A nine-class coming in from the left-hand side as well, just looking to finish off this tier-1 tower.
And just a whip, 9 class with a bit of damage.
I mean there's no ladmires on 33's Tidehunter.
Sure you have the Trankhuls and he's doing the Trankhul boots abuse.
This is Semling, actually now he has Faceboots, so no more free healing for him.
Indiana Jones really hates snakes and that's what Serpent Mord's are.
With that Shadow Shaman away from the Ringmaster.
Crack the whip and say not today.
So timing wise by the way, this VersaBuck is going for Guardian Greaves as well.
S is gonna turn up the pace even more. I think that's really smart itemization with how the game is shaping out
They're gonna be the ones who want to do a lot before we had late game and start seeing cataclysm combos
See Merth I get her items. Yeah, blink dagger online as well in slaughter and multiple things in the enemy ancients or the dire
Ancients I should say somehow I've become part of the the Paravigian team. Don't don't mind me
So they sentry blocked the ancient camp to have that observable watching stacks being made
They saw everything that tundra were doing with what four heroes at the ancients building a bank
So that means they know the top lane is exposed. They're playing up here to try and find parker
This is a difficult move they're going for on tundra
They don't have the tight hunter quite ready to fight he could tip the end but his low mana smoke break
mine class funhouse mirror deadshot misses
We can listen to 30 for this time
I don't know if that's what I was thinking, but we need to stabilize the game somehow and get stacks, otherwise I think we'll...
I guess some stacks, otherwise we'll...
Yeah, otherwise, you know, the implication, if we don't get some stuff here, yeah, he's right. They need to protect an area, get some good ancient stacks, and get to critical mass, basically.
Get to the point where Murta has her Maelstrom and start dishing out serious damage
He knows the early game should not have gone like this and he does not feel good
Things have gone awry and I need to catch up
Something to level the playing field. That's the stats to be making. I do like the subtitled listen by way
I think that's really cool. Yeah, nice nice feature. They're trying out
Having able to hear a captain of 33 caliber as well
You know, what are the plans to try and recover this game, which is very quickly falling out of their grasp?
Paravision woke up another attempt failed up top
But this time gonna try and smoke to cover the triangle area wisdom of corresponding in 10 seconds
Such a high value part of the math for them. Yeah, they did get the D. Ward's going
Oh, keep this tide cover satanic is greedy man. No, no, no, he's not going for a showing his courier as well
So by now he has to back out if your courier didn't reveal on wave, maybe you wouldn't
Good catch him. Tornado?
Yeah, with a tornado, cold snap, combo from the Invoker.
That's a good grab. Tantra dropping the Golem on him too,
indicating they want to push through once they clear one.
He kept the last hit with the Golem on my mind.
The best tier in the game deserves the best kill in the game.
You know, I think sometimes you need the Golem around your carry.
You need your mid to get something.
I understand it though. He wants to drop the Golem and get towers.
It's just funny that he happened to get the last hit.
I think completely unintentional.
Or is it Whitemon wanting to keep his number one spot as the best support, you know, I've, uh...
Well, thank you, DeKalus. Let me show you this.
Yeah, yeah, DeKalus. See, it's the high-last hit. There you go.
Signs of life from Tundra.
Things plateau a little bit here for Paravision without 4000 lead.
So they have tipped the scales back a little bit, but it's still in Paravision's favor.
As they continue playing, farming, manipulating two lanes, plus multiple jungles.
Well, Tundra kind of sitting back
Should say this though
We've cast a lot of games here already Gareth and we've seen a lot of rust us really sad and early game
And a lot of times he comes back a lot of times
It's you know this hero the hex and the shackle because more and more valuable
It's a good later into the game and they have nice combinations on side of Tundra
Yeah, and Ari is one of those players along with Zayac who do drop serpent balls just to like clear waves
You'll drop it in the lane. It's like okay. That's gonna kind of split push, you know two three four waves potentially
Yeah, sometimes pulling the creeps in as you can't miss stuck in an awkward position
And now the kill for tundra starting to reclaim a little bit of an area on the map for themselves
That's really good. I like that. They're
Actually using the combinations starting to play close together when they're this far behind if this player too much
They're going to get picked off by the slaughter. They're going to get picked off by clinks finding people
Instead they get a bonus kill. Of course rush does get taken 16 minutes
Roshi really has to start setting up some defenses around that time because there's always around 50 or 60 minutes people start coming into his home
He should be able to deploy some barbed wire, his handbags, get some machine gun turrets, maybe a little pillbox or bunker
He just takes damage when we walk into Roshi's pits
Oh stay tannic, he's got Aegis, he's pretty tanky as well
I thought there was going to be more coming from Tundra but instead it's BZM poking, then he is running back
No one's re-initiation fails to connect
Pretty fast, that little fish.
33 is going to go for the damage, but the speedy slaughter slips away.
High class does get collected, picked up by Parker.
As the Murta ulti does it disengage though.
Tundra realized they've spent a lot and not got a lot.
Yeah, and also in silence, importantly.
Not just ulti from Murta, he does have two points in the silence even.
Wow!
Yeah, I think maybe they had a chat about it, you know.
Please level your chat.
The panel is going to be happy about it.
But what if they lose this game?
Then he lost when he skilled silence.
But you also lost when you did it, and that's true, so it makes no difference.
That's what I'm saying.
You can kill what you want.
That was crazy when you lost.
Not surely not.
Paravision still with three and a half minutes on the Aegis.
Grieves Blade Mail on this Gristle bag.
Lots of tools here to keep playing forward into tier 2s, and tools to deal with the Parker
Murta.
Yeah, the Blade Mail is a very intelligent choice against the Murta.
It almost forces Murta to at some point go for a shard, but when you're this far behind
where you want to be.
I'm not saying Murta's that on the front, but as a team they're far behind, you can't really spend on luxury items like the Shard, so it's uncomfortable for Murta.
Philipsy's time is pretty annoying. Breaks free of the Clicks and the Treant, gonna give it a top-perceive together?
Bye! Down to bottom lane.
People waiting down bottom in Volker and Warlock were hoping that the Treant would continue to chase.
Yeah, Raging's scanned, they know something wasn't quite right there.
Things really have Peter down in terms of that push from Paravision.
That's easy going for tier 1, not so simple going for the tier 3 towers.
They are.
Have you got a sniper on Duke Carlos there with the Serpent Boards?
Say tank, we'll return fire.
And he will farm all those snakes eventually to take his time up there.
As we see Bristleback having absolutely no shame just farming right in front of the tier
2 tower.
Who's gonna kill me? You and what army?
Especially with Ravage on cooldown.
Smoke from the slaughter on the master.
Clear out the wave. There's nobody up here to jump and grab.
So back to focusing the objective.
Next makes us slowly taking down the tower.
It's gonna fall eventually here with a bit of help from his team a little bit of mana boots
It's gonna be easy for him.
Articales wanders into the tide and wall lock
Golem
And the damage from Parker kills the Trim before the Sunstrike even lands
These these kills are nice for Tundra, but the
Trit shard the eyes in the forest the little owls above the canopy have spotted the invoker
That's a free opening here for the slaughter to jump but a pushback definitely blasts
Wow.
Stunned means BCM is out of there.
Oh, that was nice.
I should push them across the little fountain there.
Yeah, well done.
White Mon however might not have the same moves available.
No.
See, this is more like it, Slava, in his own realm,
his domain of water playing through the stream.
In his element, thriving, vibing.
Oh, is he hydrated.
Unbothered.
Absolutely unbothered.
And so it's true for the Warlock Golem as well.
You killed the Warlock, but what about his minion?
What about second Warlock?
He shoved the mid creep wave, you know, holding some form of
map control for his team, allowing the Murta to keep farming safely.
She didn't go for Shadowblade.
I think that's a good choice in this game, honestly.
The Melstrom into the Shadowblade.
Eventually, you're gonna need to have Silverge in this game,
just being against the Bristleback.
And he even has the BKB Q'd up into Silverge.
Honestly, a lot of times I criticize Parker's item builds,
But here I think he's building the exact items he needs, yes.
A much clearer direction for him.
No, no one sees BZM with that sentry.
They're not going to be able to bring anyone down here though.
The two heroes up top can't easily pivot through the jungle.
It was just no one alone there, kind of calling for help, but it won't be coming.
It does mean that they have a bit of a window where Paravision might be able to abuse the fact that he doesn't have to be first, of course.
So we'll see if they can make something happen with the the next ages most likely as this one is about to be claimed in two seconds
Shadowblades off to the right hand side
Another one of these very deep wards though in that jungle area could be Parker's undoing
Paravision bringing everyone across here trient always creeping in providing vision he sees the courier
He's trying to snipe the silver edge expecting it to be purchased any moment
They have vision on this little this little boy Parker, Jr.
Is apparently the name of his career Parker puttley jr. It's a little doom
He's gonna buy in a few seconds. It's gonna purchase the demon edge. Are they gonna wait it up? No, they kill it
PPJ if they waited just one more second gareth. He would have bought the demon edge. Oh well
But now he wants to walk over this Zika chops is almost more dangerous for Parker
He needs to make it to a shop it's gonna go for it. Oh, is that gem on the career that just immediately dropped?
Wait, oh it was you're right, and he keep it base immediately and secured it. Wow, that is unfortunate
That's two games in a row. That is so tragic
That's two games in a row Tundra have bought a gem and then immediately lost it to no one in particular
I don't know one. He's just a the gentleman and he gets it that belongs in the museum
This belongs in our museum. Not just a museum. The radiant museum. The fountains museum.
Yes. Finder's Fee? No. No. Return it to us with rifle over? No, no, no, no, no.
Oh, very English. Hello. Silver edge. Go on the clink. Down to half hell for the heck
of shackles in the sunstrights. Good blow up on Satanic. Good catch. Very nice setup there.
And there's that silver edge value right the movement speed slow. He couldn't run away in the clinks held in place long enough for ari to get there
Even though Ari doesn't have blink yet. By the way, he's trying trying his best shuffling his little feet
They are super reliant on this slot out to bring the control
And bristleback and ringmaster not able to save the clink there
Keep ourselves in this game state where it's a 6k lead for paravision but heading into that mid game
Time for us starting to feel more and more comfortable, no one's super far behind, and
no body is super far behind.
Oh, Decalis spotted BZM, but BZM is going to see a bunch of random tree growth as he
has a sentry nearby.
He should realize that we're just planted if he pays attention.
Golden tree.
He has not reacted to that one.
I don't know if he made the mental connection that you can see this, right?
We're still going to get jumped on over, bro.
Wheel of wonder.
the base is it yeah trying to survive with a cold snap and a run away with a
deathly blast but the final touch of my class will take him down is it fully
invisible if you don't have vision on the tree itself I think I guess so right
yeah I yeah so he doesn't see it yet doesn't see the area I wasn't sure it's
nice we can toggle between them it's absolutely true he didn't miss it yeah
you're right I had to think for a second that's how it works and think back to
games. Roshan, a pretty quick spawn. Pops back up.
Oh, when you balker dead though, that's a chance for Paravision to make a move.
Especially with all the minus armor they've got.
And all the tools they have. They have the BKB on Slaughter already, and I believe Verspec
has BKB on the courier, he does. And Agadam's complete on Tling, so every single
cord you just finished up a major 4000 gold item. This is gold time for Paravision.
Do we want to go to bottom pit or do we wait the 30 seconds for him to move up here?
I think they're expecting that they can't take the rush right now. They see myrta on mid
So yeah, they're just controlling top area already setting a vision. They've got all the eyes in the forest or all they're
Are they gonna try and kill it? I think they're gonna try and kill it before it moves. They know they can't control top
Tundra's going in. Oh 15 seconds. They're going
Yeah, there he goes.
They've got the time to do it, apparently.
Go for the Sunstrike, and Paravision thought the Roche would be coming back up to the top pit,
but he's being burst down before he even moves.
That's such a big move.
That's massive a tundra.
A huge surprise for Paravision.
Yeah, they're just waiting there, but Roche never arrives.
Just disappointment.
Now you have to contend the two lives on this parka mortar.
15,000 net worth is actually pretty big.
He's getting a lot stronger now with the ages in hand as well.
That's going to be amazing for him.
He can play with more confidence into the next fight.
Still also close to the BKB, just 800 more gold he will have it.
And this does make it a bit trickier for parry vision.
If you do head slowly into the late game, there's that threat of the invoker popping
off with the Ravage as well. Link is going to be the next item for Tidehunter. Still a
long way to go but once he gets it, that combination is going to be available.
Well 33's plan has been working so far. I said they fucked up earlier on, just got some
stack and try and catch up and that's what they've done.
Yeah, the controlled area. Honestly going back to that they have helped. Pretty good control
especially for being against a Tree and Protector. They haven't been run over or lost their triangle.
Not quite there on Ducalis
There's BZM plants himself in this bottom lane
You keep shoving out with a meteor hammer and the Ford spirits. I'm just watching warlock man
He's by even white month. This is what makes him number one. Is he farming enemy jungle? Yeah, just these two camps, you know
This is a good time tipi tipi out after farming some stacks
And the mist smoke here so far from Paris
Yeah, all the way through this bottom jungle but not finding anybody duration is gonna timeouts
Decalus
Nearly wandering right into Parker
So BKB Muerta three minutes ages
Tundra starting to rally behind Parker with a four-man smoke
I could dangle this murder in front of paravision
And they definitely want a big skirmish, and right now you can see Paravision, the way they're splitting on the map, they don't want that big 15 fights.
They know that it could be disastrous for them, if they lose a fight, they're in a horrible spot. Better to just not give a fight at all.
Cool. Cool little place to be here. I mean, Ari was stepping forward to see if he could smoke break on that high ground. But nobody shows.
Tripless is thinking about defending mid, but he respects the blink hex into silver edge combo.
He knows even with a BKB and a blade mail you might not be able to click any of those buttons
If RECs you first and now you show
He's angle parker in the front
Tundra acting like an anglerfish. I'm worth a little light
Trying to bait people in but nobody's biting
Caravans pretty content currently just to wait down these ages and farm the side lanes wherever they can
Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. She is kind of go hunting though with the silver edge
possibly slowing down the clinks if she finds him doesn't really have anyone
with him right now though but
and Ari looks like a quick and easy one over on the tree
unfortunately for him there was a sentry from before
it's the sentry from previous contests over there on the wisdom I'm still kind
Crazy though, you know no one with triple s what are they for one and four seven one and two
They have these pretty big sprees early on but it's been a long passage of play where they've not accomplished a whole lot
Yeah, I think they're expecting that team fight is super strong from tundra the ravage to golem
And of course in valker bringing a whole lot of spells. Oh, we have an attempt over on the ringmaster headshot headshot again
Might still get him a few more hits, but now the box is there a night class laughing
Yeah, I think he didn't expect to get spotted right there wasn't sentry
So he walked in didn't have the element of surprise from the silver edge normally those dead shots
It can be a bit trickier land when you don't have vision
Yeah couple of shots for the back of the head execution style war law to the ringmaster
Doing a very good job activating with the ages on murder just hunting for kills and gonna get a tower on the back of it
Invoker also trying to do the same thing, look for something, but the gem on no one, on his
slaughter.
The Hades of the Forest giving vision, but there is a high ground observer here for the
dire that can see them approaching, and Muerta again, Invis lurking in the shadows, actually
moving towards tier 3 tower, 33 makes a jump on 3m, Sunstrike connects and a kills there
for PZM. Ringmaster's respawning, for you have no tree, unless he buys back. Ages timing
out soon. This could be dangerous to overstay all the way towards the base. I can start
running away. Tundra's done a great job dragging themselves back into the game here after being
at a pretty sizable disadvantage. Yeah, it was like a 6-7K lead early on, then it plateaued,
He was held for a long time, now down to nothing.
And it's not just about the Myrta being, of course, top of the net worth right now, but
also the Invoker, number two in that slot.
Octarene core complete, if he gets refresher next, it's going to be absolutely insane the
amount of damage he will bring.
And with the Ravage and the Shackle, you have quite a reliable setup for it.
And then the two set off later.
12,000, 13,000 net worth, a little bit behind the rest.
Yeah, Priscilla back. I mean, Triple S had 7 kill participation very early on in the game,
but hasn't really been able to keep fighting since then, since the game has been so split
up and he doesn't really... Priscilla isn't really a pick-off hero.
I'm sorry, I said the two offlaners, looking at Slotter and Tide. If I had the Slotter
with an offlaner, he was a mid, wasn't he?
Yeah, kinda demulted the funny things.
That's how mid lane feels sometimes, you know, you feel like the offlaner of the olden days.
Especially when you're slaughtered, you buy blink, you don't get to play actively continually.
Okay, well, time to sit back and calm, figure items.
Tormentor's going to get taken.
Put Shard over through Warlock.
Fast moves through the Twin Gate.
It gets held at Thunder, I've definitely picked up their pace now as well.
Feeling good about being able to make moves on the map.
And wherever they go, destruction follows.
There are some items they're waiting for on the side of Radiant,
why they're playing so defensively right now.
They have no fire and just a hundred gold over on no one gang that is going to be really useful for him
Of course, there's a goal scepter on the invoker. So nice to get through that school scepter on the tight hunter as well
Radiant looking to make a move
There from nine class
You get his spells off Parker in the back. Here's the bill there defending against satanic
Meanwhile, no one goes on invoke
The shadow shaman's fallen while white one's getting pummeled the bristle opens up at three of fallen
33 a ghost scepter attempted TP. He's nullified crushed bastard
I'm a kill man. They should tip to call us right now. What a beauty of an ulti he got there
He waited as long as he could waited for BQBs to be expanded waited for all the all the different tools to get used up
He hid perfectly and got just a four-man connection
I did save the bristle very nicely.
Yeah, both the supports were outstanding in that fight.
What's he doing now?
He's...
I don't know.
He's got a whooping cushioning into the base and out again.
I think it was hunting for Parker.
Okay.
He went in, he dusted.
He was hoping to find Parker with the Silver Edge there, and he hops out again.
I mean Parker is a very aggressive player, so it wasn't that low chance he would be there.
That was a chance.
Power vision.
After that long period where Tundra were comfortable
now winning a teamfight,
he really resets the playing field.
Here's that nice save, the box was beautiful.
But then Trian just held as well.
They disengaged on the initial target,
Clink's had a high ground,
and that whole feel, look at them, they're all just stuck.
Three heroes all rooted up.
And when your carry has to BKB TP home, a sad times for Tundra.
So all that lead that they clawed back and built, kind of gone in an instant.
One single big teamfight win is of course massive at this stage of the game, so 6K lead now,
going the way of Radiant.
Fortunately for them, Roshan hadn't quite respawned yet.
Now he's up, and Tundra can still get in position to try and contest it.
It's 30 seconds until Ravage.
Yeah, there's still Parker sneaking around the map looking for anyone who goes completely alone
He's gonna walk under a ward in a sentry so they see him up top smoking towards him immediately
It does have TP so if he shoves this wave and TP out quickly should be fine or if he goes towards the gates
He's greedy. No, he's not. No, he's got a TP and he was not envisioned when he TPed out
So he's gonna be fine connecting with his team. The smoke is probably gonna end up being pretty wasted for paravision
As I say that, they're going through the gates, realizing it's a bottom roche and they don't
want to have a repeat with Tundra get their roche for free.
30 seconds till night time though.
And we're going to try and sit around the pit, not wanting that sneak to happen.
33 gets the opening of the Triumph though.
Or they might get two.
Nice catch on the night class.
Cat isn't coming but they've broken free thanks to Slardar's crush.
from the clink skeletons it's gonna force parker back while 33 chase is no one so
Wanda comes out with a double kill both raiders supports have buyback buybacks
are available but not that easy to buy back and run over there to fight for the
roach they also know roach is moving top so repositioning there's one by don't
want to give this invoker trying to go behind everything keeping to top
We've got Gem on the bristleback still, with a high ground ward here, they'll see down to the low ground on the 33, they don't know where BZM is yet, you're right, he's kind of lurking on that right hand side of the map.
Yeah, they can find Ringmaster, that's going to be instrumental to his success for sure, again he has that blink ether lens, but no buyback on him now of course.
Ahri, nearly finds Ducalus there. Parkable deadshot him away.
No continuation though, it was Tundra, really tight enough to play that 5-man unit, all holding hands.
There is a smoke on Radiance, they could resmoke in goal.
Is Dire, do they have a smoke coming in on Courier? I don't think so.
Nope, no smoke available for Dire. That could be the advantage in initiation.
Cristless for Morata.
No one's starting Roshan yet, just stand off around the pit.
Just trying to focus on these lanes, keep the equilibrium across the river so you have
a better chance of approaching.
And that's what's so good about this invoker.
Shuffling out that bottom wave, keeping 4 spirits going, can elicit a reaction, kind
of a paravision, but for now it's a big smoke forward.
You have the long wraparance.
So scary, they don't know how close they are.
Ducales is gonna move forward doesn't quite see up the high ground yet 33 wants to tank it now
They know where tide is triple s gets on to the moir the worker no one makes the jump the moir is in trouble
If they're real though pierces the veil Ari gets the server will track down on tonight class blown up completely
A synthetic has to step back and he's gonna deal with bees. Yeah, but triple s is finished off white one of the meantime
33 with a ramming into Cataclysm! That takes him down a notch!
That clinks down for 70 seconds and a bristle's in trouble too.
Slaughter's still strong.
He's trying to deal with BGM here, nullified and taken out BGM, you're right!
And 33 with nothing left in the tank! It's Paravision!
They lost their clinks but they've got so much left remaining!
The minus armor and the damage from this bristle back is too much!
Man, they got the dream connection there.
Paravision that connects on to the myrta the perfect target to see mission initially she did survive
But then she used all her tools
They just reset and in a about eight second time period, you know the duration or 10 second further pierce the veil
They just reconvene and say hey Marta. How are you doing triple BKP?
That's what I find recap says to me triple BKP on the radius doing work
Yeah, yeah, definitely. They're gonna push up on the high realm. We can see a recap here initial poke on to the mark
Really nice save with the golem, I think she would have died if it wasn't for the golem stopping them for a little bit there.
Yeah, poked with a flail and a trident and all sorts of business.
Some pretty aggressive poke, should I say.
And nullified and walloped by the bristle bang.
Cataclysm combo was good, but bristle was so tanky it didn't die to it, even though he tanked the entire thing.
And then Slardar pretty ignored for the fight.
He's not the highest DPS hero, but give him enough time of clicking people, he will bring them down.
and they back in life they did get the range racks but not committing for the
melee racks as well as Roshan is the bigger objective they want to secure
themselves they just do more emphasis to head into the enemy base
Daedalus full satanic yeah new wave of items as well we have assault cure as
completed over on the slaughter they saw the invoker running by they know they's
going towards the gate. Trying to catch him. Oh, is he gonna be fine?
Oh my, he bought out all his gold, this Bents. It's not that he already used by that, he
just doesn't have the gold for it. And from 27% up to 63%, that might even
be even more now, just kill the invoker. This is a refresher shard, Clinkz. He's gonna
He's going to go high ground, drop a million skeletons on you, sure he has cooldown for 25 right now, but once that is down, I think they're going for the throne.
They're definitely going to get the top lane if you don't defend this with Murta immediately.
I mean Murta's got a couple of guns, she can sling away but she's got no boomstick. Can't deal with the army of darkness that's coming her way.
Need the boomstick eh? I like your reference, Garret.
Where's Bruce Campbell when you need him?
So Tannock is straight up onto the tier 3.
There's the army! The necronome gun's been found!
Some stop motion skeletons are here.
Banking the drums with the bones. Wacking away at the objective.
And 20 seconds with no invoker.
Lane gone. Mid lane looks like it's going the same direction.
Yeah, more skeletons coming your way.
Gonna hold on to the refresher for now.
A break in a Lincoln's pop, it's gonna deter the Bristol back.
It's gonna be completely fine though.
though, as they respawn now on Tundra, the damage is done, mid and top is completely
wiped out. There's a tier 2 tower, so they need to get through that. Could start hijacking
the wave. Difficult spot to get out on the map again. They do have Daedalus on Parker,
so his DPS is insane. They need to get the jump. But he needs to be allowed to hit, right?
The Ravage and Murata's auto attacks need to coincide. Yeah, we need that Ravage with
Cataclysm mortar untouched a DD rune would be great for Parker, but it looks like it's gonna be satanic that gets it, isn't it?
Refresher shard clink with a double damage through
Yeah, oh bottom wave is shoving slowly
I think if Volker needs to make his way down there and cut the wave or something if this push comes in
Refresher clinks. They're gonna go for the smoke and fight instead. They need to make a play. They're trying to catch them before
Yeah look the slaughter is expecting a cut so he's going down bottom maybe they
can find someone isolated but no pervicious thing pretty close to each
other the only person they could potentially have gone on there was the
bristle back but that seems like that ship has sailed it's a pretty unexpected
move that they will come from this angle though they might get the slaughter for
free look to the east there's the job
BKB, fast BKB!
He's still got the speed in him.
Sprints off to the right-hand side, while the wheel of wonder comes in time.
They've dropped the meatball and the catapult is a man.
They've blown up 9-class and no one.
Tundra do get some good kills here, focusing the clicks as well.
Parker, he's opened up and brought Satanic down.
BKB's up the rampage to play with, but Satanic clicks.
He can still be in position here.
Here's the veil, forcing the back, the damage!
Oh!
Parker with a double kill.
Keeps Tundra in the game!
Fantastic stuff coming out from them.
The damage coming out from a cataclysm, wiping two immediately, allows Parker not to use his BKB in ulti early.
He was allowed to hold that after they just respawn, and Clinkz just couldn't keep himself safe.
12,000 damage?!
Jesus.
I thought when Sektang respawned he'd have a crack, but that's no chance there against Parker.
Yeah, I think Slaughter is very very important target because he's the only reliable good disabled they have outside of like yeah
Okay, whip, but whether you really have to hold the murder in place of Slaughter isn't there
Hey, tell me this fight might have even been over as it began when don't got that fast big area for the
Glypner catch was so good. The two-man Glypner catch was really really nice
I think if Slaughter got to kite out come back with the Aegis respawn right here
That could have turned the fight for them, but no, it didn't happen. Back in live, we have a push onto the high ground.
Tundra looking to press their advantage.
Finish watching them, kill off the clinks, take down Paravision with a team wipe.
And that could see as well onto this Mertha, already so high on DPS.
No one, they're looking at Mertha, blow it up Parker!
And an overgrowth catches two in the fact as well, set of shove and invoker all bound up.
Cataclysm thrown, they kill off the tree and the BZM cannot stab, it is the skillies!
33's on the run through the mid lane, with a chase on towards Ari.
Satanic, come on, quite catch up to the Shadow Shaman, but Nightglass has spotted 33's escape path.
The route has been cut off. A blank TP though, with no stuns coming, he's gonna get home.
Oof, nice escape there from both him and Rasta, getting themselves to safety.
Warlock of course as well, but that is the most important hero's dead, POS 1, POS 2 both gone.
They can go and take the outpost to secure himself to TP spot.
with 60 seconds on the respawn, the push is coming.
What a wild game.
2000 damage from the Slardar, but almost 2000 damage from the building is on park.
They're just gonna backdoor this.
They're gonna take down the tier 2 without the help of troops.
They have to DPS easily.
And then what top lane is at the base so they can go for tier 3 or at least force buy packs?
Yeah, the base is exposed.
I think they definitely should at least elicit some response here.
They can't let them respawn for free.
Patience is the name of the game.
He could be on cooldown on slaughter though, 20 seconds, so he doesn't really want to go first. Same for the Clinks.
But they have the Ringmaster.
There's the banner.
And the Skellies.
33 shows himself in the Trion. He's pretty far forward here. I think Parampersion is going to let him die.
Wow, 5 heroes alive and they let him die to 3 because the threat of the buyback from the Valker and the Murta.
That's a big win for Tundra, they didn't get forced to use their buybacks, get the respawn
for free and they get a kill.
And they don't lose out on mega creeps either.
Staying well within the game.
I like the next choice as well, Parker is going to get the blink dagger, finally be able
to go together with his team, get that initiation power.
Re-position somehow.
And what is it, Swift blink into divine rapier is what he's got queued up, so replace the
treads and the melstrom.
That's very solid.
They are against Supercrete's top and mid, Roshan is a minute and a half, at least, away from spawning.
Yeah, Tormentor, can't get taken down by no one, my Miss Armor is going to make it pretty easy to 1v1 that.
Nice bit of gold for his team.
What are we looking at in buyback status right now?
We have it on Murthel and Invoker, as they neither had to expend theirs, but otherwise pretty low on buybacks for the core heroes.
Tight hunter, yes, but the rest of them are no. Everyone's buying funny items
Tundra with double gem. Oh, he changed his mind
It's refresher instead for the double ulti and double B to be on the myrta buying out the entire thing and sending it out
The long line of the law 33 says push out that top lane play into that top spot at tier 2
Yes, can't let the creeps keep approaching our tier 4s
For now he has to play very close to his team on Merita because 1400 gold without buyback or 4 time I go the way from having buyback rather
Junkala's not gonna get picked this time
Very very tense game back and forth the entire way
I'm dead even look you see some ideas
No one is queuing up on a on disc trying to keep himself safe after what happened down on bottom
It's understandable. He doesn't want to get bursted like that
against the the combo play of the refresher refresher and cataclysm
what's your guess on roge spawn I think 40 seconds 14 61 oh wow it's a 15 or it's
a massive full spawn basically yeah it's the latest possible spawn I thought
first there was a 15 second spawn I'm like oh it's super fast but then no 160
seconds it was 15 away from the possibility now hundred and hundred and
65 seconds so we'll be here for a while staring at the potential row spawn at
least the there's the benefit for pervision they can have vision in there
all the time with the eye in the forest similar true for tundra though they can
send forward spirits if they want to of course players don't know what we know
they'll be thinking roge could be up any minute now any second now for the next
couple of minutes 200 gold for my time she will have buyback and then I think
they look pretty eager on tundra to make a move the last moves that they have
gone for themselves have worked out really well with they take the initiative
they go and aggress on the fights I think getting jumped is always gonna be
really hard here to react to. The standoff begins. Yeah Parker has given the clear that
yeah Vibeck is back, can make moves now. They don't have a smoke on them right now, a smoke
is coming on Courier. Warlock is sending in the smoke over, this is go time for Tundra.
At the same time there is smoke available on Paravision, right now you can see Nanklaas
sitting in a smoke reveal position and just ready to blink away they're trying to catch
their expecting tundra to go and overall a harder job for tundra to push the lanes for the super
troops coming in yeah they've done a good job at actually shoving all the waves across the river so
they are in the better spot in terms of map state right now and that allows them to get this five
man smoke in towards mid get a nice shield rune as well never a bad thing to have prevent the burst
a little bit yeah they're sending in the forge base just checking if anyone is holding triangle
I do show their location with the tornado though, so Paravision fully understanding what's coming.
Paravision waiting. They are pretty damn aware that the smoke is active right now, so they're just trying to wait out the timing of that, and they're praying that Roche is not going to spawn.
And they can see it. They can see it hasn't spawned yet, which is a relief for them.
If it spawned during the smoke, it would have been hard, but now they counter-smoke. Paravision reverse the tide.
It's like a little dance, the teams have to do. Tundra and I have to be the ones backing away.
It's the dance of death.
Let's see if Moira is able to put on the dancing shoes.
And look at the Samba here with Paravision.
As they move into position up the high ground with Ducalus leading out.
No one next to the jump. Wipe on and shuffle. The Ravage comes out.
Plank's got the BKB off. 33 disengages.
BKB spent on the Rage and Ravage spent on the Dire.
They'll try and gush and chase here with a dead shot from Parker, not landing.
They require the dead in the water to hold the Bristleback in place.
Bristle can't move.
Pacing forward, Bristle can't move.
They found my class, but he's blasted by the meteor.
Triple S broken and killed by BZM.
The meatballs landed and Bristle's dead for two minutes.
That shard got some massive value for the tide.
He put the shard over on the Bristleback.
And Bristle could have turned to try and kill it,
but then he turns and might just get opened up on as well.
Really nice chase by Tundra.
Now 5 may lead for them, they've got another jump here, all towards 9 master, they might die back with the ring master but he puts himself to the bot.
Buying time there, no one makes the jump, 33 nullified but goes Scepter and does get away.
A reset from parry, Satanic with no PKB though, Gleipnir meatballed, the damage with the shackles and finished off.
Two minutes, no clinks now!
He does have a respawn in 30. He has the gold enough. It's just a cooldown. So it's not two minutes
But this is still looking like a really big power play available
The first little bristle doesn't a buyback. He's gonna have it if they take the bounty runes
I think Triumph is being told go. He has to go and collect these two runes. Yeah
This will give bristle back the gold that he needs. He has buyback in 10 seconds boy. There we go
So, Baibic should be...
Oh, actually, he isn't enough still.
He's 50 gold short.
It's so close.
He needs more gold.
And Park is on the high ground.
He's feeling it now.
Ready to kill off the tier 3s.
Crack open his gradient base.
Forced to gliff already.
Invoker looking to catch anyone.
DeKalus has to be so careful.
More swings and roundabouts in this game
and the kids play ground.
Back and forth.
That's where the plus probability goes.
Jump in.
They found BZM.
Trying to get him out of there,
but no one's pummeling the invoker!
They found the kill!
Got him, guys!
The buyback out of the cataclysm coming!
That's not gonna land though,
and Parker is deep behind enemy lines at the tier 4 tower.
Buyback from the Klingts in Trian required.
Invoker, same story.
No buy on the Ringmaster available,
so still a numbers advantage for Tundra,
but I think they will use this to reset.
A lot of damage was done,
they got one lane of Rax,
back out and take their Roche.
Very hard to contest this as a paravision.
Carlos' game is so close.
It really is, but we're starting to see and feel the impact of the late-game draft that Tundra has.
It's starting to come into fruition. All this power of having big combinations, and Merta, who is the be-all and all type carry.
With no ringmaster for 60 seconds, there's no chance here for Paravisions to come in,
with X with a Roche pit, so that is everything for Parker and the boys.
Yeah, tons of items of dropping, refresh the shard as well.
Everybody's like, they're scrambling, they're fighting over it.
That's goodies everywhere.
They got some good options for who they gave this to.
Honestly, anyone who takes this refresh jar just can't get good value out of it.
Obviously, they've focused building his own refresher, so...
he might just have one anyway.
For now, it's on the rust, I'm not sure if he gets to keep it, but...
it's pretty damn good on him though.
Double snakes when you want to start pushing high ground.
The Tidehunter still doesn't have a refresher of himself.
Level 25 is just one creep wave away for Tide.
At least he gets to respawn on Ringmaster, you know?
You didn't lose more buildings during the 90 seconds that you were dead, as there had
been a very scary moment for him to die and not have buyback available, but now with ages
on the murta it becomes a harder task to solve the next team fight especially when we're looking
at tundra with four buybacks bristle on the other side well bristle and slardar now on the other
side the two will it yeah it becomes a very very challenging so what's the numbers then with ages
cheese you've got seven lives plus four buybacks is 11 versus six seems a little unfair then you
got content the golem he's plus one hero as well yeah and four spirits are about 30 percent of
The Rasta Awards? That's basically, yeah, you're telling me they're gonna be 5v15?
There's something like that, yeah. Pretty big advantage for Tundra.
Still being patient, but...
They did pass over the refresh shard with that level 25, 1 second extra duration talent on the Ravage.
He's potentially gonna disable people for 6.8 seconds with a perfect overlap.
So Ravage is gonna be a very important lookout for.
Gotta keep our eyes on the jump though. We've seen no one have a tremendous...
Tremendous time jumping on this invoker and that is the one hero that does not have buyback
So BGM's got to sit in a pocket to protect himself
Parker though, he knows he can pretty freely move to high ground, start blowing up satanic and no one
Incredible damage, spends his BKB, pierced the veil, Eonda's there from the ringmaster and the box
Ravage required to deal with mine class and I know he's dead for a long time if he falls
Golem dropped on him, every ult placed on him but he's still alive, being wild about to die
First life gone, and Paravigion they've lost the ringmaster, but they've blown up Parker, SSS, broken now, being destroyed!
Has BiBak available, but Paravigion have lost both supports.
Both supports gone, very difficult to defend now.
Personally, it's going to commit to BiBak. Clinkz doesn't even have BKB available.
And Parker's going to go for Megas. They want to finish off the buildings. No one jumps on the tight, Hunter.
Drops the half HP, broke it, and the Slardar turns as a Sheenee.
Has to buy back and return to the battlefield in a 3v5 paravision.
Don't seem like they've got what it takes.
Pushing continuing.
And there's not much they can do to answer this.
BKB not gonna come off cooldown in time. 30 seconds still.
Just have the burning army, but the reaction from the supports on the side of Tondra has been good.
Parker?
Why can't I come back and deal with the base? Park is killed off no one, while Satanic went for a base base, but Gigi's called and they've tapped out! They know it's over now!
It's a creative attempt, it's the only thing you could see, no way you fight into five. Yeah, Satanic was hoping that maybe they don't react in time. I go for this split push, but no.
In the end, what a battle! Resilience out of Tundra.
Thinking back to that shot call from 33, they knew they messed up that early game, but they were able to hold on, turn it around and get Parker into a great position.
Yes, shades of the Navi heroic game from yesterday, where it was all early stuff. You think getting yourself right, Paravision are actually going to do this here.
Drafts be damned, and in the end, Tundra just hung in the pocket. They got Parker activated, and in the end, there was nothing Paravision could do.
I mean you play against hunger that you get you don't bad in Walker. Yeah. Yeah, you don't run in vocal blah blah blah blah
But like they've got the tide they have the invoker
They've done this so many times before
Struggle in the early game. They're one game away from being eliminated
But they clutch up because they have the team fight, you know, you got tight hunter
He's going for like first time she was going back for the go-sector kind of constantly kiting
Big fights P vision win big comeback fights time to win
But yeah, I feel like my one concern though. I also straight away is tundra is having to do so much
Yeah, to make it feel like park is able to enter the game. Yeah, but that's the thing you you spotted it early on conceptually
In this graph they took a squad of four that could do things on the map themselves
Yeah, yeah get objectives themselves if need be we saw them drop a golem and wards for a roach and
And they just were able to essentially buy Parker the time so he could come in somewhat selfishly at the end and take all of the credit.
No, I'm not going to give him much credit for this game. Like, his laning deaths are weird. His early entrance to the game, he made some weird switch.
Again, so far, again, I'm not going to be honest. Normally, you want to praise the team that won, but I'm not going to shy away from the fact that Parker just isn't looking that good of a carry player at the moment.
After the whole ping game with Sinelegans, his performance so far, he's like, he's like, yeah, yeah, he's like, okay, but I think Tundra...
I'll allow it. I wasn't expecting them to be a bit more explosive. I already thought Tundra would be in the playoffs by now, Frank.
I mean, they're definitely battling, because, I mean, I will agree, I think at least for the most part, I think Parker has had like, very on and off games and more off than on for sure.
I think his late game, at least this time around, it was still pretty good, like the last 10 to 15 minutes, but overall, it's like the Tundra, it's like their classic, right?
you have the BGM in Volker, you have the 33 Tidehunter and I think also like the
listening that you had early on you obviously know that they have a strong
voice like 33 on the Tide. They were down 6k gold very early on like in this
game. This was not an easy win by Tundra by any means like you said they had to do
a lot in this game not just to get parking but overall to even have a game
as a unit but I think they played well they understood what they needed to do
and I think on the opposite side also I think party version this was one of
Sotanix I would say very not ugly. Maybe that's too strong of a word
But when they were in a very leading position, he gave them the Steph border where they just be lined on him
They threw all their spells it opened up the map it happened again later in the game because tundra
They need a time BGM had some cool, you know go to the side lane split push
Defending blast some guy out get the TP to make this base for everyone, but game three
I think tundra they would like to have an easier time
I mean they would love to I mean you can kind of just do the same thing
potentially in regards to like the invokers, the tides, maybe if there's no tide you change
it for like a centaur, but you still keep the invoker. If invoker's gone you won't,
you know, I think 33 and the gang is like, okay, this is how we need to win today. And
maybe tomorrow, a future day, we'll think about other ways to win. But right now it's
survival. It's just we need to get the series win. And then we get playoffs, you get two
lifelights, two lifelights, right, up and bracket, lower bracket, you got more room
I'm trying to get him to the right corner, but it's good for them, but I don't really know what to expect.
It's in the former. Why don't we go back in time?
We should do that.
Five minutes in the game.
Because Parry, they did some really cool things.
Like, first of all, so there was some stuff having people die top, and now it's like Parry there abusing this.
You know, Triant, he walks from the bottom all the way to mid, they get this initial kill,
RSTP is on cooldown, because he had to TP top to make a turnaround play there.
So this is already like the first play, they go mid, they kill him.
kill him. Now, BZM obviously he's respawning, he's going back to mid. This is minute 6, you have
four dudes in this mid lane because at least here they understood, okay, the Tundra draft,
it's super greedy, we can run them over and I really, really liked this type of gameplay because
I would still say overall, Parry did a lot of the things correctly, like the first 15 to 20 minutes
good moves, get the rush, but then in the mid game, Tundra, they always find these moments,
but it's still, it's what they create, but it's also the enemy team that kind of
Bidying or like making it easy to have these opportunities. So party in the next game mid game is still where I got my eyes on okay
Well, we've got a rise on it now. We've got another clip from 24 minutes, I think
So let's see this. Yeah
It's just this you're going meme right for like we've always asked like a 24 minute clip
But you gotta give a lot of praise to tundra in in like how they started fixing the problems, right?
The 8000 go down. They know the economy is looking a little bit shot at least from the tight-hunt earth
Parker had done great in farming, right? He's still second net worth
But going for that Russia knowing that you have to control the damage like a 10 15 second window
If you don't make that read that 8,000 gold they might lose this game
So you probably use the game so whoever made the call on thunder there that is the game winning call because that was like
Holding back the pressure. So I think again. That was yeah, just an incredible call from time to excellent stuff
And then at 36 minutes
It's just throwing right at number. Yeah, just random numbers
I just wanted to show a fight in regards to how like close all these fights were of course
This is gonna be a clip of you know Parker eventually dying him get initiated
But after this Tundra very quickly identified like how to take the fight and I don't think I saw at least outside of hitting
Tier 3 towers. I didn't see Parker being the one always going dying first right?
It was like they adjusted very quickly
So even though they're still looking very good for P vision Tundra was always learning throughout this game
And I think that ability to learn and adapt is why Tundra is such a scary team.
They take away the Roshan, they take away the pressure, they lose a fight here,
but then the next fight that you'll watch is like Parker being in a better position,
Tundra offering up a Tidehunter or maybe a Shaman, maybe even Warlock going like,
again, awkward game, but I think Tundra, it is meant to be about like adaptations for them.
I'm not expecting like the tournament winning Tundra that we saw just previously.
And then at 48, you know, there's more time.
Son, I'm campkin, I'm gonna mess with you.
It's like a quiz, I feel like, you know,
like we put in a timestamp, like half an hour ago.
Then he goes like, just some random,
yeah, remember what it is.
It's the 52 minutes, like, woo!
So, here's the question then.
I mean, also, for this deciding game,
you've got the invoker to think about.
I thought it was like, actually very impactful
in that video. Very, yes.
I mean, it is BZM Invoker, like,
this guy makes Invoker shows, you know,
he's like the modern day miracle when it comes to this hero.
He's the one that I can pull games out of his ass.
Would you not agree?
I mean, that game was pulled out of his ass, for sure.
I mean, without the other protocol,
shout out to, yeah.
Yeah, without the invoker, not possible.
I mean, how do I continue that?
I don't know, I'm not a character.
Back to you, Richard.
Back to you, Richard.
Back to you, Richard.
Well, look, I'll tell you what.
Why don't we just go to a break
and see which team can pull a third game
out of their proverbial ass?
We'll see you then.
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Hey everybody here with no one, we're going to be ranking the
the mids at the event, five being the worst of the best,
because not everyone can be in the top five
and have one being the best, of course.
You can rank yourself if you want to.
There's up to you.
Number five, what do you think is the fifth best mid here?
Yeah, let's put the long enough.
Long enough, the fifth best mid.
Okay, okay, that's standing power, huh?
Yeah.
All right, how about number four?
Tai Long.
Tai Long, the new up and coming, the kiddo.
How's it feel to be beating the ass
little kid like that that's kind of messed up anything but I didn't play
him so I don't know okay you play my pops though right no never I mean sometimes
when he picked Husker so have you ever played against him in official way
who's official no no no so I don't know okay all right well well right I need to
choose the third one yeah just guess he's good let's meet me you the third
best mid I don't know if I agree with that why why third I mean I wouldn't put
myself at all, but I don't see many good, like, how to say, hires.
Okay, okay.
Alright, fair enough.
So, in the middle of the pack, I like the modesty there.
How about number two?
Second best mid at the entire event.
So hard.
Actually, no.
The third one will be GPK, sorry.
Really?
Fing this up for us.
Okay, GPK is gonna be number three.
So you're better than GPK, is that what you're saying?
But I will not put myself at all.
Okay, I was just saying, because it sounded like...
Let's put a little second.
Okay, Largo...
He came back and ate 3-0. That's obvious.
Largo?
Largo.
Okay. Largo is better than GPK.
I mean, from the results.
Okay.
And Nisha first.
Nisha first? Of course, he says.
I don't know if of course is okay.
You ban Puck, the guy's not that good.
That's true, but if he has Largo, he can pick Ember Spirit and destroy him.
Okay, okay. So Nisha has the rank one.
Does this look okay to you? Now that you understand the rules?
Yeah. Just fine.
Alright, alright, one new one. You're always going to be on my top five list, so have a little bit more confidence in yourself.
Thank you so much. We'll see you next time. Great list.
This is it, the last game of the day. We're going to find out who's going to the playoffs.
Will it be tundra? Will it be para mission? We've got lots to talk about. We've been talking about parka
I'm gonna dedicate more time to parka. Please don't worry because people are like, uh, how can you criticize parka?
When that's a ponderton? Yeah, yeah, shout out to my guy
Don't even don't even respond to him. They respond to him here respond to everyone. I
I can't right now
He says I know the dude has plenty of issues, but it's so bizarre to me the panel is flaming parka if they won the game
This sounds like a personal grudge flaming there is no personal grudge to Parker. All right
I have stated and said I'm just comparing him to other players that played in the tundra carry position
Yes, how Parker currently plays at itemizers is objectively making time tundra struggle throughout the group stage
He is one adjustment away from stepping up to the expectations of a tundra player
That is my job to analyze what I see tundra is a tournament winning team
Therefore, any player who fills the tundra boots has to fit that same expectation and criteria.
Yes, they won the game, but if you objectively rewatch moments throughout this game, pure, or Doratio, or any other other standing,
would have probably played slightly differently to make this game easier for them.
So yes, he did carry them to the win through being the carry, and yes, he found really well...
He's going to get quotes, by the way, in case you can't see them.
Yes, he did very well through his...
through his eye, this game's optimization, no faults at it at all, loved it very much
compared to other games, so I have no fault in that regard, I just hold them to high standards
and I look forward to seeing Parker step up at some point, if they win this game and make
it to playoffs, I am expecting him to have that Eureka moment and I will be like damn,
Parker is back, but right now Parker is not back and I am getting involved in the panel
reads reddit segment.
Guys, on reddit, don't add to any of my panel members, I don't get to hold us there to
He didn't put BZ on top.
Come on, this guy is like, he's in 100.
He's like slaying all the time.
He's gotta be top five.
Yeah.
Oh well!
I thought it was interesting he picked Ty Lung.
I thought that was kind of cool.
I think that is cool.
I mean Ty Lung, he's like up and coming.
I think also like, I mean it depends really on like who's in your mind at the moment
but Ty Lung, you know, he's showing some good presence and we also had KJ yesterday
who said he's very mature, very skilled, can play a lot of heroes which is kind of weird,
you know, for the young kid coming into the scene.
But this guy on your screen.
The invoker is nasty.
Yeah, it's incredible. I feel like the thing that Tundra can do in this game as well, it's like, when you win a game with Invoker in that style, you suddenly promote it to the first phase as well.
There are tournaments where Tundra have gone, hmm, yeah, why don't we just pick Invoker? And it could just be that moment here, right?
It's like, we first pick a tree or jakira or whatever, and it's like, or Warlock, and BGM's like, give me Invoker, bandpuk, we get to play out any game possible.
I'm pretty sure they're thinking about that right now obviously taking a little bit longer to get in the draft while the players
Hydrate and fuel up you can see they're all grazing there
It's hard being an e-sports
Competitive you've got to keep your energy levels high you got to lock in
I mean I will say at times it is even though you know people like me made or you're like you're just guy playing like computer games
No, we're traveling all the time. You're never home
I never was this you have to deal with your teammates who let's be real at times your teammates. There's some
real bumheads they're real stupid like it's trust me it's I'm not joining this
one you know I I spoke about ready now it's Kedr's turn all right no it's true
like sometimes you know it is difficult so of course they need the time was the
biggest boom had you we're not getting into that this is some after-party talk
off air all right okay well let's hope we make it to the after party well what we
can talk about I'll say it's Dean Volker because it is obviously it's a
fact no no yeah like it is a big talking point and while it is one of
of BGM's best heroes, there's also the argument to be had that because they had Invoker with the tide,
it's what allowed you to take over the map, have a 6k lead quite early on, and take it into the mid-game.
So I think it's always like this distinction of you can't just blindly ban heroes.
I think if someone understands how to, well, if we give them this and we tweak this,
then we can have an even bigger lead, and I understand how to play the map and how to beat it,
that you just make the right read, and not just, oh, we lose to it, therefore you need to ban it.
And obviously it factors into the rest of the draft because you know if you're gonna leave the invoker in and potentially see it again
Well, that's some of the heroes it pairs really well with you know
We've talked about tights in that in the draft so avoiding game one
So it really does suddenly bleed into this draft in a big way me 33 tight as well
I am like this hero this guy for years like if I think of mud golems 33
You have to think Tidehunter, yeah, I know.
Tidehunter, the Arminator doing stuff telling his team,
just chill, give me stacks, we will win, we need gold.
Like, this guy knows, and this hero-player combination, it scares me.
It is very, very scary, and so Tundra at least, them being first pick,
it does sway a little bit our conversation, right?
We were talking about what if they promote Invoker to first phase,
or this type of stuff, if they care about this concept.
On first pick, you're not likely to do that,
so it's going to be a matter of, in the second phase of bands,
vision does have one band left is it gonna be the one invoker band the one
tide band the one whatever statement here you want to talk about from the
previous game if they want to react heavily about that last game there is
only one chance to do it unless they down it here but with a park band early
from thunder as well maybe just throw it in there and also took the tree out of
the equation as well yeah that's gone did a lot of heavy lifting
good oh
First pick ta all right, okay, so it is obviously high probably
Pious win rate it is like hero that's been picked more than double digit times like
85% it's been second-phase banned a lot of the times both satanic and I gotta say all mean in the side
He's probably a large part of those numbers are Parker. I don't know if he's lost on it
He is a menace on the hero right like the utilizing refraction playing on the limits being super aggressive
Like it is a hero that is a treat to watch in park his hands
I think it has been like my favorite hero to watch from Parker so far, right?
See guys, I can praise it's not only negativity guys
There's there's no way they'll be time for a little reddit
No, because they're not gonna listen to the parade. I'd like him
But I think of read mean tweets going soon to PGL. It's gonna be a good bit actually. Yeah, you can't go wrong with that
People hear what they want to hear before they react, you know, so either way I praise them
I do like his TA I praise them now back to shooting on him. No
Okay, we get the shadow shaman I mean one of the most prominent heroes of this entire tournament
I'm loving that this this guy's back. I one of my all-time favorite heroes in the game
I love that it does a little bit of everything that you need
It's obviously great for pubs, but I mean in the competitive setting there's so much you can do with it on the map and
and it's great to see it back in favour.
It's always the fact that I think Shaman at least,
you have so many tools of survivability
with the healing on shackles in the early game,
you've got your innate,
so then you turn into a little chicken and all this stuff.
There's things that make Shaman not just like a lion.
You know, lion, the reason why you don't see it
is you blink in, you do your job,
you're probably gonna die
unless you have force and a glimmer and drama
and all this other stuff, right?
Shaman can just do it himself.
Like, it can be blink plus eighth of a lens
and he's actually playing any game state.
So that alone is incredible.
Yeah, and he just does so much.
I think also now to just go to the TA, this hero,
I mean, we've only seen the carry.
It's just not really a good mid anymore.
This hero struggles when you can really collapse
on this hero's lane, which is also why you see the Brewmaster
band, Gaggett, level six, you go, wah-ha, three of me,
and you bring everyone else.
But on the same note, Parry can obviously
look to have other heroes that allow you to do this.
Overall, heroes like Phoenix are always very good.
Both Fire Spirits and the Egg are very annoying for this hero.
You can have heroes like Darkseer traditionally have always been quite good.
It's not as much of a hard counter.
Then you have Primal Beasts.
Just overall, lineups and heroes that like to collapse on this heroes tier 1 tower is
quite important.
Because if you don't take it early, there's going to be 5 traps.
If she gets level 12, there's 8 traps.
It's so hard to take over.
So I do hope that Pari will respect this.
But you've just described a pretty fun way to play out a thunder game, right?
This focus of wanting to shut down the TA.
We have to go bring 3-4 heroes to take over her tower, really push her out.
Now 33 is going to have his gold-generating offlaner, doom, the tide, the insert, any
dude in the offlane, they do ban Invoker by the way on that one bound.
But like, if you are putting this focus towards TA, someone else on Tundra will go, oh, thanks
you very much.
And I think TA, even under the pressure of two, three heroes running at you, you still
farm quite nicely.
You shove the wave, you have the trap, but you have things to buy time.
So, yeah, like, conceptually, TA to Tundra, it feels like the best hero for them.
So P-Vision locking in most likely the double supports, even though it's not looking too
good for the 9th class so far with the O2 stat line, we have seen just the map movements
that these series bring.
It's a hard one to see though, right, because you know you can have traps laying everywhere
and stuff.
Sure, I mean if it's tiny and challenging to support you, playing into any extra vision
is annoying, right?
Playing into tree, it's annoying, playing into trap, it's annoying.
wins games so certain here's where he's right to the top okay then also for Ari I
think one of the interesting things is that he has played a lot of Shadow
Shaman and some of his like range replacements has like from the melee
role have been tiny but this is potentially his yeah so they get the SD
the jokiro I think for now you can already tell these are very good laners SD
loves to stack like around the triangle as well and well if there's one guy that
loves golden stacks is 33 he's also gonna be set up overall for this game you have
your TA, you know your chill, get your double support and then you get your two other cores later
so it's a quite chill setup to the draft here for Thunder. Yeah, you are going to be seeing a lot
of greed though on the side lanes with TA in one lane and most likely a tidehunter or independent
offlane. There's still the centaurs, the tides, many 33 heroes available, even Timbersaw could
potentially be a hero. It's a matter of like that guy's going to be left whilst ST does stuff
and this is going to be keep generating golden, golden, golden. Of course, BZM is going to need to
to try and connect the draft with a bit of that aggression, and then P-Vision...
Wow.
Okay, the Kossil and the Underlord.
So we've got the Global Menace.
Yeah, I'm expecting Solar Bind to be the option for Keep Light at least,
and then the only Global Menace will be Underlord,
because there is a world in which they obviously would have Recall Plus,
but when I look at this, it's like Solar Bind with the Titan jumping in, Firestorm,
like, you are going to be killing T8.
And we talked about it as well, Kaz,
specifically we haven't seen the Underlord for a while,
and you're a little bit perplexed as to why that might be.
Oh my base.
I asked day one, maybe this is the answer.
Oh, and the answer, unfortunately,
hasn't really picked up a win yet.
Yeah, maybe it's just like a change of, like, you know,
if the subs or overall heroes that are played
it just doesn't feel that good.
Because a few weeks ago, this hero was terrorizing,
like, half the competitive games.
But I think for now, I mean,
on the record, it's like a very good overall lane
when it comes to you.
You're just shoving, it's fail-proof,
you just push out the wave, you stack some stuff.
But this hero, you mentioned it a moment ago,
33 timber it's very good. He's gonna have stacks. There's not I mean obviously there's like a lot of magic damage
But still physical damage is lacking and cutting through these heroes and under what who wants to build orders
It's a problem. Who takes the stacks right now the timber with shaker
Although yeah, I think timber I mean, it's nice if you're TA if your carry doesn't have to leave his lane or like his area
I think you shouldn't okay, so you just allow your offlaner to do it. Yeah
Tundra, they don't really have a lot of team fight. A lot of their draft is built around
efficiency and lane, early jungle, stacking, and then getting the items on your cores to
make explosive moves. It's like, Timber will set up the fight as soon as a Cottle or Tiny
steps out of position, then Parker finds his target, blows him up with a deso hit, Daedalus
hit, whatever. One key thing for me is when do you buy BKB in this game as a TA? You could
argue you need to buy it really early, but if you buy it too early you don't have the
damage items, you might just not be able to kill anyone, and then when the charges are
low and you have the damage items, obviously you need the BKB charges, so I think just
when the Parker buy BKB will be a, kind of just a, I guess a little sideline story for
this game. It's also like, they're gonna have to figure out like, because you need to ban
heroes that obviously are both good against Timber and TA, or so it's not too easy to find
that, and at the same time, you need to find a mid that lanes into Tiny, which isn't super
hard but at the same time you're playing into Underlord so you probably won spirits but they're
also a little annoyed at least by the roots. We're assuming Kotal can be the support here.
What if Kotal was just in mid? How does the game change when Keeperlight from the mid lane buys
Vassal runs around the map and then goes to like maybe an all-kid? Of course LoL to open
tempo will just break all of that but is the tempo of a mid Keeperlight potentially
too much for Tundra to deal with at the moment? Maybe TA does... I think it's volatile.
I don't know. I don't know if you have the tempo and I think you can do it
But like you like you can build Lotus SD gets purged later
Like I think he just fully owns like what mid Coddle wants to do. I mean if they're spicy
I think you can do it. I will ask you my cup of tea. So I'm keeping it open, but
I mean they took out Ember Void
It's not easy to play strength heroes here because you play into underlords
So maybe you still go for like one of your I mean cuz it's good if your course could play through if your supports can play through you
like right now they're gonna watch a timber farm they're gonna watch a ta farm so whether you have a
Maybe storm even though it's not great like I don't have a hero that sticks out who's great. I just see like you're fine
I'm just gonna describe the most basic thing dude who goes in and presses done
That's it because when he goes in and press done pocket goes. Thank you very much. I help cool ogre
Yeah mid ogre is very spicy and i'm not a fan. No
I am of course, but he didn't even get an eyebrow raise, you know, he owed you from across the three different doors and entire studio
Oh, okay, I
Shake it. I like that forgotten here. Yeah
You haven't seen one of those yet. I don't think yeah, I'm sick in the tournament. So that's sick
I mean, I like how these three cores like play with each other like later
I would say shaker he can go in and I can initiate the fight
But when you think of how shaker plays fights at like minute 20 with a shard, you're all like pretty high range
You know TA with some Dragon Lance, you have a Sharkram, you have Fisher,
Totem on the ground, you don't really commit, Ice Path as well.
So I like that you're able to keep this higher range against Parry's heroes right now.
Yeah, let's say the game does get difficult.
It's just a lot of wave skip as well.
After you could have Shard, Shove Wave, Tundra, that's right,
Temple Sword can Shove Wave, Jakiroo can, TA easy does.
Like if this is a difficult game and there's 6k down and 33 needs to make the call,
there's not a problem for them to delay a game.
At both teams can just hold this game hostage if they want one team has tiny keep light and unload
That is just wave shove galore and then same thing for tundra
Both teams will have comeback mechanisms due to that
Maybe windranger. No, I see old is very annoying gonna retract that one. Hmm. Also. It's a first pick TA
The carrier tundra versus the 24 last pick. Yeah carry
For P vision, so that's just a and it's a it's a real tough carry game
It's just like a matter of there's a lot of kiting right fissure so you can't run through it
Then you have like you mentioned the purge from a shadow demon
We saw who was it was your Torah that's like this will he go for moonshield for tankiness or was he gonna go for the
Loosen whatever moon beam moon storm. That's the word of it
For the damage. Thanks. I completely forgot the name of the damage asset
I don't know because I like both I will say moonshield. I feel like it's underrated or underutilized perhaps and the reason why is
Because of the damage reduction right 30% 25% I always forget but it's around the 30% ish 30 max when you
Have here is a jump you like a shaker like a TA if you have any type of vision you press it preemptively
This is buffer window where it's like I'm probably not gonna die and if I have satanic BKB
It's like it's so much turn around potential that you can offer yourself up as a somewhat of a frontliner for your team
And I really like this
Is it setting up for a late game in a similar way to when you pick a void?
It's more...
Or is it a bit more active than that?
It depends on his optimization, right?
Because in laning, you can pressure Timbersaw and melee heroes.
You think your agonist would be more explosive,
and you threaten BKB charges and timings.
And as the game goes later, you can itemize to be very tanky.
To me, this game is like the perfect game for anything.
Both teams have really fun drafts that have good layering of stun, rush potential,
map closing potential as well like this is the true test of like who is the
better team like this is not a draw from sitting here going this is awkward I'm
not I'm scared of this like this is just two strong drafts to good teams and you
know the best team will have to go through of course it's also like Luna
against Timber so it's obviously like a pivot you know Timber is kind of hard to
own a lane Luna can give you that you have got the beams you get like more
hybrid damage later and like more tempo to play into tundra I will say I like
how tundra will be looking to teamfight and like this mid game and I think also
Also, we've seen 33 Pimber when this guy gets big, like these heroes, I don't think they threaten you to like stop you from going in.
I'm talking like 30 minutes, 35, 40 minutes where he usually gets there, but I will say that Parry, again,
I would assume that they're going to have the lead like they did in game 2.
So if they play clean, you know, they can just take it from there, but I'm favoring Tundra overall just a little bit.
Luna, I believe, did go for Moonshield, so we are going to see the first damage reduction Luna.
So that's going to be cool. And then just to repeat myself, Parker BKB, I think that's going to be really important.
If he buys it too early, they might lack damage.
If he buys it too late, he might have died a couple of times and lost too much gold.
So I'm really looking at when he buys it to be able to step up.
So it's all on Parker.
No, it's not.
No, it's not.
Your stuff.
Parker, Parker, Parker, Parker, Parker, Parker, Parker.
Okay, well listen, there's only one person I associate with Templar Assassin more than Parker.
Gareth, he's casting this game.
Yeah, you take it away, Gareth.
Yeah, it's with Templar.
Who, no, that's not me.
I play warlock exclusively and sadly is not available. So, you know, no, no warlock now
These teams are ignoring and they're not seeing your boy. Just ignore it
But this is a draft here where both teams are gonna love a pacing through they carry a lot of jump and catch tons
It's a sustained lots of wave push. I think the panel are right
We should have a pretty close game three on my hands to see who goes through and who goes
Oh, yes, they already drew the line on tundra. They realized they should be on this high ground. Oh, that's awkward pause timing
No one sees anything.
So Tundra smoked, Auri broke his smoke on the high ground, both teams realized the smoke broke and we have a pause.
Yeah, a little bit awkward.
I'll see what happens as well as probably...
I think they just disengage.
They're far enough away, both teams can back out of it.
Flurry of pings.
I don't really see how Tundra can break up on the high ground, so...
...Mengler's gonna sit here and keep an eye on them.
Auri might actually walk up here.
Oh my ground! Oh, that's a bold move, Auri!
He's gonna get shackled, take him down by triple S, first blood there for the Underlord.
That's really bold to try and walk up. I mean, you already knew that the enemy are on the high ground breaking your smoke.
So he walked up blindly into danger and all he got punished.
Ultimately, good start for them. I do think that I favored Tundra's draft, by the way, just to touch in.
So we have a contest on the bottom rune. Tundra gonna have to run away, Parry.
A little bit stronger.
Running everywhere as 5 then, Paravision just never, never let go.
Oh, the blinding onto Parker.
Just roam Mega Magic together.
Firestorm with the shackles over the top, Parker.
Trying to run back with the refraction, verify 3-1 charges.
He's very low and he will get back through the stream,
but that's a massive blow to his laning stage already.
Yeah, they're gonna let him walk away, but he's kind of to walk base and then TP out.
This is not comfortable at all.
He's sending out tangles, but...
He's got TP in with low HP, low mana.
Ooh, I'm not sure about that choice.
We'll see if he gets punished for this.
Oh, wow.
We did not want to miss the first creep wave,
so now he's going to be very weak with no TP.
And if he was to die, he's not going to have TP available, of course.
That's some risky business.
And then we've got BZ on his Earthshaker mid,
one of his old classics going against the No One Tiny.
So we're going to have, obviously, that mid game, lots of jump capability.
I do like the fact that Tundra have this saving support through Shadow Demon to counteract some of that jump,
the raw damage of the Timbersaw, and then there's Earthshaker with the surprise factor, this Blink-Acre-Slam to get on top of people later on.
Because like the panel said, we don't see that, you know, necessarily great turnaround or reset ability for the Dire.
If they get jumped, things could be scary.
Yeah, they have different advantages in the draft. I just think I like the Tundra one a little bit more.
Particularly, they mentioned the comeback mechanic. They have this surprise jump potential, the hard chain stun as well, with shaker and jikiro to follow up, and tons of damage between TA and timbersaw.
So, having good disables and a ton of damage is usually a good recipe to be able to come back from bad spots.
On top of that, I think they have strong laning them. Esti and jikiro, two of the best supports in the entire patch.
So yeah, their draft looks really clean.
Some good jungle stackers as well. Shadowed even great, and Kotl of course on the other side, very good in his own right.
So we're expecting to see here a lot of jungle stacks being made up. And not just good at stacking jungle, also good at sniping couriers.
Also worth mentioning, the BZM shaker on mid is a counter pick against the Tiny. It's a hard matchup to play as Tiny.
Typically you can win a lot of mid lanes as Tiny due to your high damage, but shaker abuses when you get close,
Spams the aftershock on you and has even higher damage to last it when the Enchantotans, so already a delay is not easy
White one and giving the treatment to nine glass
Chikiro level two with a ton of damage. I'll force him back and gets a half pull into the small camp
Which is blocked up with a dire sentry
So we'll get what he can in the meantime
Just watching Midlane was awkward but we have J'Kuro walking pretty far out, 9-class
were pushing back in.
Yeah, Blinding Light into the 5-store, nice little combo there.
Yeah, 9-classes made some nice things happen already with his Blinding Lights.
I do enjoy watching the POS4 Coddle with the Blinding Early.
Illuminate spam is pretty predictable and also can be a little bit boring to watch to
be honest but the Blinding Light is more utility.
Shrackles onto 33 and a Blood Grenade but the disruption will keep ParanVision away from the Timbersaw for the most part.
The Chalice...
Oh, you might get him here.
... even zaps him with that Aether Shock.
Just enough damage to finish the job.
Ari did go over and grab the Healing Lotus at least, but his Offlaner.parish does.
3-0 start for Parry and Blightmont, yet again being Blurneylight pushed back into that Firestorm, not dead this time, but still taking a tremendous amount of damage.
It is cool to see that adaptation as well. They're really playing the combination because normally unlords would not even skill the Pit of Malice this early
But having killed Malice and Firestorm is working up very very nice for them
Great does delay his atrophy aura though
So he doesn't get the same lasted damage harder to contest the TA in that regard and then on this cuttle right solar bind
With the facet usually we see these keepers of light go for spirit vessel from like a core role
I'm kind of assuming earned from this support position, but even just solar blind into like Luna agon acceptor, right?
That slow down into orbit
Luna orbit can pretty fantastic. Yeah, they have tons of magic damage overall to throw in there
Even just the tiny combinations from the mid lane
Both the sidelines are pretty scrappy a lot of fighting back and forth
And so even a tanky hero like Timbersaw if you get burst down through the combos that they've got. Yeah, certainly
Yeah, I like this game. Lots of tools. Lots of back and forth outplay potential from both sides.
What Tiny is leaning into hard matchup, like I mentioned, he's doing great in terms of CSing.
Even so, 21 and 4 versus the 24 and 10, so an advantage to Shaker, but not a big one.
Tender nice. I don't know, it's about to hit level 5.
He's probably finding a mid lane.
And then up at top, we've lost that Timbersaw already.
Ducales is still out here in the shadows, trying to find a way in behind Ari.
And the great thing about this Luna, we've talked about it all the time,
the fact that you can join the support battle without actually over-committing your heroes.
So he can continue fighting 3-3 under his tower, throw some glaives out,
while also joining the Shadow Shaman through the Lucent Beam, so they get some good damage.
And Ari, yeah, just built the back while bottom lane, Chikiro, dead again,
It's triple us on a killing spray. This pairing is working out really well
Shakira always wants to walk close get the harassment of dual breath and auto attack that top actually on timber as well
Yeah, they pushed Ari all the way back
Shackles and dilucent beam snap in with the ether shock the damage from these two heroes is pretty tremendous
Pops the magic wand and the very bottom though another beam not coming. It's not able to shrug the Luna
Gonna be fine, but a lot of damage sustained on the side of tundra
Not comfortable lanes at all.
We see supports congregating towards the mid lane, Rasta will also join the pilgrimage.
For BZM the only one who's actually had a happy time in that lane stage.
In six minutes in, Rune's being guarded up.
Invades for BZM.
Nice to get his bottle refill.
But, you can't just get this solo kill.
Disruption probably says no.
Yeah, it's a difficult one to get.
He does have boots, so of course he's pretty fast.
He's got chase after, he's calling the Luna to help him.
Yeah, come and zap it.
Oh, go past the tower.
Because he am's actually moving over though.
Invis Earthshaker, making this pivot up to top at level 6.
We used to quite often see level 6 Earthshaker going farm stacks, right?
Yeah, but they were blocked.
The ancients was blocked pretty early, so not able to do it.
do it then we saw a re-block even happening with that sentry ward and the
observer could unfortunately be taken out if if a dire hero was to make it over
here they're gonna see this OBS I'll find it free money so a couple of
observers in a row already trying to get the stacks going we'll be able to see
no one in nine class arriving the avalanche toss forward back in towards
the Timbersaw, BGM's arrival, disruption onto this, minecraft's cut, all of us should
be able to blow him up, but he's quick on his feet, pops a fairy fire, blood grenade
and the final touches of damage with the Fissure Block and taken down. Not an easy grab, but
regardless, they're able to guard that area of the map.
How about that's enough of a distraction to get the double wisdom going the way of
Paravision? So he took a lot of attention to chase him, they were thinking about bursting
the Tiny first, but he has so much HP and if you ignore the Caudal, he's going to be
very disruptive. So in the end the move was successful for Imparavision.
Oh, bracer, get out for them and then I'm scanning out BZM here as well, knowing he's
grabbed the bounty rune and of course shows himself on that courier as he snipes it.
And he's looking to activate and these moves are pretty important for him because he doesn't
have those stacks that you mentioned, he doesn't have anything to fall back on. Trying to go
on Luna, has to ulti ready but he's close to distance, he has the damage reduction ready.
Yeah, Lunar orbit going.
She's about to pop level six as well. Here comes the gate.
Underlord wanting to join in to get on top of 3-3, Thunder Disable, and Tiny also joining in.
Very quickly snapping across the map to bring...
You know, five heroes from the start of the game, right? Paravision literally are death-balling from the four creeps even sport before the horn even sounded.
Yeah, yeah, grouping up and going and it might even go for more. We have a lot of heroes on the top rune.
and BCM wants to make something happen, but he has to be so careful.
Yeah, they destructed Carlos before he shackles.
Icepack there will connect on both die supports.
Still looking to play forward onto RE, but it looks like Paravision won't be able to get up to the high ground.
Staircases are dangerous, very dangerous stuff.
He puts down a little Fisher, keeps them on the other side,
traps for a while as he can move towards mid, get some CS.
This is also keeping a lot of attention down or away from bottom lane,
So it's creating a lot of space for the TA.
Even if Tundar are not super successful with the early moves, it is keeping, you know, all eyes away from Parker and allows him to get that Deso early.
And this Moon shield on Luna, the damage reduction, 30% all damage?
Yeah, it's an overall damage reduction, so it will protect you against spells, it will protect you against basically anything.
It's really, really good. You do need to be able to activate it before the enemy go on you.
But this has actually become a very recent trend that people max even the Lunar Orbit and lane
and play around that pretty heavily. It can be quite strong for now, only as the one point in it.
So you're looking at this, you know, Timbersaw with pure damage, not doing an awful lot to Satanic.
You drop him to half, but you've already lost Ari.
Seven Wars now placed as well as Lucalis, his truck satanic in the cage with a timber, but plenty of damage
Thanks to this moon shield keeping her alive and then the output to kill both of them off
That's moon shield difference right there
Who knows maybe you would live with the other one as well as it would have more damage to kill people
But either way very nice play there the ward trap as well. This is keeping him safe
I want rune grab for no one an illusion for himself so could see some dispell of the jikiro spells something like that
Well, I believe BZM went and stole a few camps on that right-hand side
to our ancients area and is looking to backstab the Underlord
But this is a long journey for him to make and a lot of time wasted
Yeah, he's heading over as they have a stack over on the ancients
He's gonna just farm this normally don't really need to ulti since you have timbers on nearby
Did not get to do the undisturbed plan that used to be the meta on mid shaker
Just get like quad stack, quad stack, maybe even five stack and then just slam one big ulti and that's your blink dagger
Instead, gonna have to work for it.
Oh look, it's Paravision grouped up together again, playing aggressively to the mid lane.
Spoking behind the Jekiro, with a little toss and zap, and Jokalus picks up the killing spree.
One to eight.
Similar story throughout these games, that Paravision take that early laning stage lead,
keep these self-sustaining cores on the side lanes alone because they're pretty
happy just keep on farming lane then jungle bouncing back and forth while the
supports plus mid playing actively together it's pretty natural as well as
their mid laner is a hero who doesn't need blink as badly sure blink is amazing
on shaker and amazing on tiny as well very similar but tiny without blink is
way stronger than shaker without blink so that allows him to play with the
supports really well the siege of the tower especially when you've got nine
Clash is playing this couple as though it's a disruptor. This is his blinding light is basically a glimpse in his hands
He looks very natural on on his car. Oh for sure
I mean obviously has a lot of games on it
But he's playing a lot of other supports a lot lately as well
So nice to see you can still bust out the car and and perform like it's no big deal
Some more stacks there for Ari build up the bank
For the timber saw and a shaker or maybe the TA. There's also people here can take
Yeah, the jungle both the teams stacking up a ton. We have stacks in both triangles happening at the same time
The park are just bouncing from lane to jungle
He's got very efficient with a lot of net worth. Yeah, he's got basically the dream start here for a TA
0 0 0 no kill involvement
But he does have the desolator and a thousand gold at 12 minutes 12 minutes is basically the
The gold standard. Yeah, you want to aim for if you get a 12-minute decimal. That's really amazing
He has 12 minutes plus a lot of gold, so he's super happy right now
It doesn't mean that the underlord equally is having waves just pushed into him
So there's not really much pressure on triple s
That's why he's also got 6,000 net worth doing a similar job just clearing out the wave falling back and not too much tower pressure
Incoming in those side lanes either. It's all focused very much into what that mid lane where we see three heroes from Parvus and sitting
On the tiny. I mean we have constant aggression happening from the mid and the two supports
So again, it's no one that you want to keep your eyes on he's making the moves right now
Orchestrating this together with two supports looking for wherever shakers finishing his blink die a scan doesn't see anybody
I'll spot the stacks and I think smoke breaks there on the shadow shaman
Yeah, that does give away that there's a ward as the shaker turned immediately
Could maybe have been a little bit more patience
Invited the shakers to set up on the high grounds, but he wanted to catch him on the cliff
Unfortunately, they also gave away
The smoke break quite early
Talmud is going to take top spot with a net worth while BZN does actually get found
Fiendscape coming in, Earthshaker though with a lot of HP isn't going to get caught
That was a nice detail right there, the Jekiro got onto the Lundlord, ice path him delaying his arrival
Otherwise, there would have been a pit of malice holding him in place and that could have been a kill
So, nice by Jikiro to see this.
Whitemon, of course, right spot, right time.
33 is about to lose his top tower.
Not much they can do to stop that.
Grabbing the wisdom shrine and now evacuating though, because no one's come back in.
Self-destruction from Ari to Caught Some Spells.
Iceberg back replies, beautiful from Whitemon.
Lines it up with a damage reduction on this Luna.
She seems invincible.
Stands her ground.
Helped by the shackled now, but the TA comes in with a blast of the mel strike into the
You're gonna fire on the flames, you'll burn down as the Lunar.
Two for two, a third is there, Shadow Shaman falls and the chase is on.
And he's got a haste run out of all runs. Poor no one.
Body blocks, melt strike, TA trap will slow him down,
Avalanche and Tossback will fire by the time,
at least no one will know he's bought his Blink Dagger as he dies.
This is such an early timing for the TA to come in with a Blink Deso as well, 14 minutes,
but that's what happens when you leave her completely undisturbed on her safe lane.
get some kills, go towards the stacks.
What a beautiful macro pyre that was.
That was just absolutely wonderful damage.
Should the high dragon force it go in play?
Yeah, holding them in place.
Maybe a bit overcommitted by PyroVision going for that play.
Maybe wipe one.
Plans it up perfectly here.
I mean, Ari with a self-destruction also dodging the avalanche,
making sure he doesn't get caught immediately.
It's just the timbersaw damage into the macro pyre at the same time.
much happened
Chases forward right like there's a potential effort to run back and evacuate because it's stuck between a macro flyer in a staircase
I think you didn't want to stack up more as well as the thing you didn't want to like stand next to his team
It's kind of hard to kite backwards
It was just a very difficult
Situation a lot of commitment on Dari the fiends gate and the serpent wards utilize to kill off the shadow demon
Bring him down. Maybe they expected it to be more heroes nearby
You'd rather use too many abilities in Dota than too few abilities, that's for sure.
Interesting.
Cast your spells, lads, in the words of Perian and Flax.
Yeah, cast your spells, lads.
Interesting to see a triple S build in this game, going for the Halberd rush on Underlord.
An item that we really haven't seen a lot in a very long time.
It is obviously intended to counter out the TA here, that's just going to be one more
reason that he will need to eventually get the BKV. That this arm is quite frustrating.
Parker just gonna sit on the stacks while the rest of the team now feeling a bit more comfortable
to make moves on the road. It's a blink echo onto the tiny but that's only half of his HP gone.
Tries to tumble away but the demonic purge is on him. Fire from the macro player, the dual breath
on no one is gonna drop but BZM has been taken out by the Luna. A nice turn around. A lot of
of resources used to the Shadow Demon ulti, the Shaker ulti, Pyrovision can now start
making moves behind the Luna instead.
Parker desperately trying to finish off these Ancients before they arrive, Luna will give
vision to the Illusions.
Oh, they don't have snakes yet, otherwise maybe they would think about trying to take
Roche before TA gets a chance to take it, because we're at that 17 minute mark, Roche
is like why am I still alive guys?
It's been a lot of games where Rush gets taken around this time.
Oh, thank goodness there's no Ursa in this game.
Yeah, even without it though.
The TA with the Deso, the Curo, Rasta even.
There are a lot of good heroes for taking Rush early if you want to.
This really is the fun part of the game now,
where everyone's vying for control,
looking to take large parts of the map,
looking for traction that they can actually pivot from.
Blink daggers, galore, lots of wasted jump,
lots of damage to burst people down,
and a starting move with disruption into ice cast
There's a quick take down on 9 class.
I mean, he's stylish, but I have to be a pet peeve here and say he killed the coddle by double-cyblating,
but now he missed two damage on his desolator, he never hit him.
Oh no.
You know, you got to get those permanent scaling stacks.
You do?
Not to go up.
Yeah, but he didn't have to go that close.
Easy for us to say, you know, just go up and hit him, but could have been a lot of heroes behind him.
All the ulti's were available for parrysion, so staying safe, staying far and distant.
one you're good. I see everything. He's just chilling in there. For now he's good. Unless
Ducales takes a few steps to the left. Uh oh. Hello Sneaky you are. Thank you very
much. Ah okay. So good Walt and Fiend's Gate again for support. I mean if you're triple
S you're happily just taking the free food. You come in, get a kill, get some CS here and
then you can go through the gate again if you want to. But now they don't have snakes
for Roche again. They don't, is that not a problem? It would be nice to have this next,
but I think it's fine to just keep making these moves. A kill to kill. Yeah.
They knew this unlord was going to come back down south. Ari started it, but it might be
Dukalis and Saitak that finish it as they leave the shed and even isolate it to die.
Tundra have bailed on him and they've got a toss back initiation from no one on 3-3.
Dukalis has the blink.
for the distance trapped in the trees somewhat going for the TP home but
they've got a bit of malice a few more stumps to come his way the eclipsing of
damage they'll take the Timbersaw out of the game wow 30 I mean you can see it
paravisions they're not pulling any punches throw the Luna ulti on that as
well just make sure that dead is dead and that's typically a pretty successful
way of playing daughter especially again this period of the game right it's
It's Roshi Tormy type.
Yeah, and they're building a lot of lead, winning fight after fights.
Right now they need a big Echo Slam somewhere on the side of Tundra.
Looking at top.
There's a big wave there, but no heroes emerging.
Baiting with TA could be successful.
Very dangerous to let her go first and bait, but...
Parker is a juicy target.
Never mind the hero, the player himself.
Although we did see in the previous game you tipped Parker and suddenly the game swings
against you.
Do not upset this boy
They want to go on him, but also want to hold their position tormenters up obviously
Our Lord has ulti now he can keep in his agonim set there
He's gonna have the pit on malice when he tip is in well, that's gonna be big
Watch out for the a we denial
Also a lot of traps here providing some amazing vision
Slowly slowly radiant are creeping up on this area
And without a smoke, I don't think Paravision want to stick around. They say, you know what, Torm is not worth dying for. They back out.
Pocker can finish it off so quickly. And a couple of melds.
It's also a part where they're really close to key items. That BKB now coming out for Luna, so it finishes just now.
A little bit too late simply for the Tormant fight.
And Ari gets the shot. That's a big one.
That's a really nice one to have, honestly. The defensive shards. Not gonna be bad.
You can also get rid of the miss chance if you put down TA
Won't be blinded by the call
Yeah, and remove a bunch of the Coltel stuff. Yeah. Yeah the binds in particular
Smoke wrap around from Paravision though
Using the information that they were just to the tormentor looking for an opening onto tundra
No one with two colors get a jump in onto this Earthshaker. BGM getting blasted
Five members of Paravision just come out of the woodwork, all of a sudden the trees are moving.
Very nicely done, using the global ganking potential they have.
And this is the danger, both teams have really good pick-off line-ups.
So whenever you start splitting up and going alone, you might get punished quickly,
and this time they're going to move towards Roche for it.
Feeling like they have enough time to go for their ages.
It's a big ram!
Shadow Sharman.
Turning Roshan into an assortment of animals.
Yeah, it's not an insane Roshan lineup, but of course no interesting contesting when Shaker is dead.
So mostly just farming, building towards the next items.
We have Blink, Hurricane Pike, and Shard on TA, and now is when he starts building towards the BKB.
As a player with 4,000 games on TA, I think this is the correct build for the game.
The Hurricane Pike is really neat. The Shard is super good here as well.
You've only got 4,000 games on TA.
I think. Like for, yeah, something like that. And...
Maybe more. Maybe 5,000. Are they counting DOTA 1 and DOTA 2?
Only 5,000!
Only. Yeah.
I mean she's a different hero now though so different so different actually she was good you'd have 10,000
If she was still a mid hero, I would have 10,000. Yeah, I will say that way. Yeah, I would still be playing her
I would never even a realized cast released
His ears are burning now. It's probably the case of Kessie doesn't listen to our cast. He just says keep it up
Yeah, over and over again. Okay, keep it up. Kessie keep up listening. He's your buddy
He says keep it up. I say cast it up. That's the relationship we have is a good one
BQB is complete over on the side of tiny as well now. So double BQB timing
They're working on a triple as underlord is still farming his 1600 gold away. So gonna be a while for that one. I
Do think tundra want to make a move before then right now tundra fallen into a rut of being a little bit a little bit under back foot
Not making active moves really
Hard to get back on the map and I think they're just respecting other Lord a lot
And that can be a trap that you fall into like all we can't really go for pickups because unlord is gonna react with the ulti and
It can be anywhere
Yeah, but then you allow him to farm all this use all this map space and still dire looking for pickups
There's a fact we have this really tight pack of dire heroes, right?
Sure TA is top dog right up there with 17,000 that worth Luna then under lord tiny still looking very good for themselves
Gathering off all this map space
Yeah, they just have to respect the ages so I guess it's correct that they should just farm for three more minutes at least
But that is gonna be sotanic not wasting any time pushing towards the tier two tower and nearly finishing off agonim scepter
So with the lunar there and the serpent world's coming god damn percent wind probability. That's pretty wild
That's a good aggressive prediction for a
2000 gold lead at the current state, but yeah
Well, Dota Plus does like Spectre, and the way Underlord is playing is kind of Spectre-esque.
You know, farm jungle, haunting.
I think it has a lot to do with this.
There's 17-7, and the team that has the better late game carry is ahead.
Right?
Luna is a way better late game carry than TA is, and you're very comfortable.
If you get to the point of Butterfly, TA can buy MKB for sure, and she probably will.
But you would ideally buy a Daedalus, so it doesn't feel great.
Ooh, no one would jump in.
Nearly.
But now, has to BKB to protect himself.
Parker, oh, do Carlos find an opening with the Eclipse, forces BKB out of the TA.
Great ice path.
Does burst down to Shattersharman, dice the neutral creeps in fact as the underwalkers
of the TPH, but BZM has the Echo Slam to cancel and that's a big streak to be grabbed
by Parker.
So clutch.
White man with that ice path.
It was surgical to stop the Rasta. If Rasta wasn't stopped then the TA would fall and everything would be disastrous for them
But he allows the TA to quickly just kill off the Rasta and the fight is completely ruined and this is where you can ramp it up
Ramp?
Get faster play across the map, play as five, get on objectives so far. It's been a very farm heavy game from Parker
Yeah, that's they're looking to take out the mid tower
Just wait out the glyph
And the fresh creep wave coming.
Refracted up and go for it.
Pushing it slowly, but not over committing.
There's a Deedurun down bottom.
Doesn't look like they want to go and check it right now.
Still respecting the potential defense coming out from an ages on the Luna.
I'm a little bit surprised they didn't finish that tower.
Or look at the bottom rune either.
Yeah, they didn't even take a little look at it.
They're all backed up, very respectful of a potential smoke-up, but they're still heroes dead, so cool down on the Eclipse, cool down on Unlord Ulti.
Maybe a bit too cautious on Tundra, but playing it safe.
I guess it makes sense when Paravision have been playing as this individual organism, right?
They've just been one unit wandering on the map together, they're not only spreading out.
That's true.
So whenever you have a feeling or a vibe, you're going to read there's one hero here, you're probably expecting them all to be here.
Like right now, the scan, gradient note.
There was a hero in that bottom right hand corner, and that's full evacuation time.
Exactly.
Shaker, Nuff got to show himself on mid, he does find that DD run eventually. 27 minutes, he was still there.
Clash in the bottom jungle brewing.
The two storm fronts approaching each other.
TA with a crystalist and BKB now.
Vision onto no one.
Tundra sees this coming, BZM smoke breaks.
D-Ward from 9-class with a Fisher opening there.
Ducalus looking to turn and save with a good gate and a clip.
No one jumps in with a toss into the air.
Now try and catch with BZM jumping in, but he doesn't really land on anything.
9-class dies, traded for BZM.
Parabizion retreating now and backing up.
Parker though does come in with a few slaps on the triple S,
but that's not really going to do too much to build on the Lord.
Yeah, one for one, but a lot of the continue, or a lot of damage output is gone for paravision,
so continuing the fight is dangerous.
When Luna has this hybrid build, the Aghanim Scepter,
she doesn't have that great damage until the butterfly comes in.
So I'm going to have to respect it a bit.
Still get the better end of the trade, getting the shaker,
and of course not losing a fight into a double damage shaker.
That could have been a very precarious fight otherwise if they didn't see him first.
Still gonna hurt the PCM dying like that.
Whitemon tried with an ice bath, archer with a trap, Fisher is good and a BKB TP.
It's close. He is going for an armor build though, so he's pretty tanky.
Meanwhile Ducalis has an opening top lane on the Timber Sword.
Tons of disables here through the Shadow Sharman and they're satanic with his damage.
Nice catch. Nice catch for them. Unfortunately not able to replicate the same thing on Tundra.
Once he has the Daedalus on TA, that would have been a kill. He's not far away from it,
But the fact that he's going Daedalus means the butterfly is going to hit even harder with the moon shields protecting her.
Butterfly without any two-strike, she will struggle to kill this Lunar.
So you reckon Paragion more comfortable right now given the game state?
I would definitely say so. The gold is very equal, but I think there are some advantages they have that are really, really comfortable, yeah.
I'm just gonna come down to target acquisition for Tundra, find a big echo slam, find this
burst damage, right, burst damage is the name of the game from them, Timber, T8 and this
Earthshaker have so much just to blow somebody up.
Yeah.
And there's no save really for paravision, they are relying on their own jump.
SD is very far forward, Parker though is the target of choice, has to plight to high ground
and Ari is gonna be the sacrifice down in the river.
Got to be a clean takedown for them and Roche could start spawning any moments.
Down, down, down by the river.
See what the time is going to be.
Oh my god.
Instant?
Yeah, literally instant.
First, second.
Boy, howdy.
We can have a listen in as well.
Yeah, I want to be the one getting saved, not shaker.
I have to run in for you.
He's gonna jump in and give his life, and 33 has that sustained damage, right?
He needs the extended fights to be alive in.
It makes sense.
33 wants to be the initiator basically, and then wait for Shaker to find a good spot.
So with the way 33 has to play, he wants priority on the Shadow Demon disruption.
Makes a lot of sense.
Because even if you disrupt the Shaker after he gets gone on, he's probably not gonna live.
He doesn't have Agni-Mceptor.
He's not gonna reposition himself.
He can't blink when people are already on him, so might as well play around the timber in that regard.
And once he's spent his blink echo or whatever it might be, that's a lot of his party gone.
Then he's useless. Meanwhile, a little bit, yeah.
Meanwhile, 33 is, you know, pretty strong in the damage department still.
Yeah, especially in those extended fights.
Down 4k, 9-20. Paravigion have been running this game and they get their hands on that Aegis.
Second roge goes their way and again they're gonna group up together playing very tight knit
Four members swinging up towards top when no one is setting up
So tormenter up there as well, so it could be worth playing towards it. Ari's gonna stick around
Hasn't been spotted yet, but he is very surrounded Ari. They're coming for you. We already know he's dead
basically before even hit the ground I was still hoping I've seen are you get
out from worse situations Gareth nothing nothing but a blink and a dream
surrounded on all sides I got the tool man to shot or do callus again whatever
shot it yeah it's I don't know I don't even know if it's a quality of life
shard it's a shard yeah yeah a lot of times very unimpactful shackles you
serious damn satanic calm down listen he wants the gold it's not even about
securing the kids about the gold he wants all of it satanic is farming his
namesake right now he's like guys I took the talent you know I've got this cool
down reduction on Eclipse, just let me use it.
It's a minute.
That has been the approach for the entire game.
They've been pulling that trigger
any time they see an excuse.
Rasta OP, yeah?
Drop whatever they need to.
I'm absolutely right.
Even on heroes that look like they are gonna die,
because you'd never know.
And that's true.
If you play against Shadow Demon, play against Shaker,
things can turn around very quickly.
You're on a target, you think you're killing him,
suddenly he gets disrupted, you get echoslammed,
you wish you'd used his spells first.
And if Shadow Demon is there,
he's gonna die to the eclipse himself, right?
So separately, one kill turns into two.
That's the full site.
It seems a little wasteful, but really, it's thoughtful.
Yeah, better safe than sorry.
That's the approach.
He's gonna get that refresher after the satanic is done.
Well, she does complete.
It was interesting that you took a pit stop to go for the full swift blink on TA
before finishing the Daedalus.
Still doesn't have the Daedalus, but we can go back for it.
for it. I guess the paratrooper is getting a bit more movement speed and repositioning.
When's the timing though for Tundra? Because usually with a TA team you want these Roshans,
you want to be able to step forward. Press into these objectives, get across the map,
use the TA trap to scout down and start out fights.
Their timing is going to be when Aegis is down. In two minutes from now they need to
fight. They don't want to go late game but they can't force the issue because yet again
there's an ages. So these growth takes have really been impactful, allowing
Paravision to kind of safely cruise toward the later state of the game. And
it's not even like Paravision have done it in a very passive manner. They've been
super active across the map, looking for stuff all the time, big credit to how
they have utilized their underlord in this game. He's 6'1 and 8, his ulti's have
been very disruptive for the teamfights as well. And that sequence of
Ducalis 9 class and no one is going for continual ganked, right? Smoking is 3
in planning openings that's giving them all of this space that's not how you
want to use your first bkb nine second ration used for just a nightfall move
the TP out that's rough yeah it's not super important though you can still
fight even if it doesn't be to be on shaker they could still make a move and
ultimately there's still one minute on that ages timer so that are they lives
than taking the risk of dying and if you ever want to see the out you have to
BKB or the unlord will ulti on you.
Satanic's vacuuming up a lot of this farm.
Yeah, he's getting absurdly farmed.
He's going for a refresher next, so committing a little bit more than just hybrid here, making
sure he gets the double ulti, double BKB, double Satanic I guess as well.
And the spell casting build.
Yeah, thought there's going to be more than that, but it's just getting value out of it.
I'm starting to press towards high ground, 20 seconds left on the Aegis.
Uh, awkward timing to go high ground because the Aegis is gonna disappear for him.
I've got a banner and some serpent wards so they don't necessarily need to commit anything.
Just proxy push with your creep wave and your serpent wards.
Yeah, this is a softening push. I don't think they're committing to high ground at all,
but if they can get the tower for free, that's amazing. If they get some damage, that's also fine.
They do have the banner, so this push is gonna work out.
Yeah, Tundra have Glyph, that was spent on the tier 3.
Yeah, so does it only reset when you lose your melee racks anyway? Might as well hold on to your Glyph for racks.
That's very nice by them. How they've set up, there's this general thing where when you play Luna,
if there's no tower, you push insanely fast. So when a single fight now, you get up on that high ground,
the racks are gonna die immediately. If Luna is allowed to siege up when the tower is gone,
She always gets the Rax. At like 99% of the time, Rax will fall.
Especially if you can go and finish off that Tier 2 top as well and have openings onto all three lanes.
But without the Aegis, they don't feel bold enough to continue.
They do that one strike, and that's the full refresher coming out for Luna.
And queued up next, Agh's Blessing and Swift Blink.
They have some absurd damage amp as well with the Solarbind and the Shiva's.
These learnable things that can really hit like an orbital strike.
Especially if you can use it pre-BKB on a shackled or hex target or post-BKB.
Their partner has already spent it.
Yeah, and they have a nice aura situation as well.
How's the aura looking for Radiant?
Because we have Atrophy aura, Saltcarus, Crimson, we have Shiva's really strong aura on the side of Dyer.
but on radiance there's nothing to be heard there's not a CKB's not a single aura
yeah I mean I'm not saying I'm too surprised it's a timbersaw he's not
really an aura hero the way on Lord is but that is something to consider when
you don't have AC don't have she was and the opponent opposing team have all
these tools it can make it really hard to team fights a bunch of lotuses enough
lotuses to just drop and leave one on the floor apparently I think already
that if Parker is not allowed to have a free shooting range, they will basically lose any
teamfights. Because Shaker is so under farmed, he doesn't have Octareen and Refresher and
all the stuff that he kinda wants at this stage of the game, that basically shutting
down TA is a wing condition right now, for paravision.
Protect Parker. Name of the game. Smoke into smoke. Paravision in position, hall on the
the high ground have been scanned, ascending lunar illusions just to shove the wave, but
this is Tundra with a minor bit of information advantage over them.
The thing is, Paravigion now have completely readjusted and gone down bottom.
Yeah, they weren't to make something happen before the next stages comes, but the smoke
onto the high grounds, I talked about it how if lunar gets up here, it could be dangerous.
You see them see them.
They're coming.
Now they understand when serpent walls drop that they have arrived.
Okay, they're just chilling.
Drop the snakes and run away.
Sound like we're doing a kill-sup at waltz.
It's a bit scary to go hit the waltz because you don't know if Luna is hanging around to drop an ulti on you, or two ultis for that matter.
But yeah, range racks.
Such low committal pushing style here, but Paravish and they open the tier three for free. They get the racks for free.
Of course, it's just range racks which in the eyes of pro players, it's kind of whatever.
You don't really feel too bad if it falls.
It's a minor inconvenience, but Mel-erax is what you really care about.
And another pretty quick rotary spawn.
I didn't catch what the start of the timer was, but it feels like it was 30 seconds or something, and now he's back up alive.
Yeah, that was super fast. Of course, Radiant do know that it's alive.
Parker has the bash talent ready.
That's a big one.
Could be big, yeah, if we're going on something like Shadow Shaman before he can glimmer and get away.
As long as he doesn't go on the Lunar and misses a attack.
Yep, yep, he does have mkb at least he added that in so he has a chance to hit
But let me tell you by experience if meld can't miss it's gonna miss. Yeah, don't trust that mkb. It's a fake use
Something can't go wrong it will go wrong. Well, they're starting it's a lot of damage from Parker onto Roche
They're leaving
Paravision do not want to take the straight fights
Interesting. Oh with that. Oh, they're doing it again. So sneaky the Fisher trap. Oh
Oh, they didn't expect Roche to actually be still takeable, but clever use of Fisher there allowed them to still kill it.
Very smart.
Yeah, again, Paravision just getting nothing there.
They're so sneaky when it comes to Roche.
And Timber with the Aegis, so the plan from 33 was to frontline, get in there.
Yeah, because this is very reminiscent of what we saw in the previous series, or previous
game in series with the Marta, where they just took the Roche quickly before it moved.
Yeah.
So now the job from the tire from the timber saw is going to be open the eyes of Parker,
make sure you can see exactly where these targets are, allow him to get that jump on
people.
Yeah.
And the story in that game we saw before was that there was a big shift in power when
you've got the Aegis already swinging the other way.
Of course, Refresher Shard would be a very nice addition as well.
No power vision, that's a trick.
11k head, but down in ages.
Yeah, awkward, because this was probably going to be the, you know, solidify the game and the game kind of Refresher Shard on the Rasta.
Drop double snakes, push high ground.
Now they have to keep back, work again.
Especially when everyone's buying out.
everybody's buying all these massive items looking at only three heroes with buyback
currently because yeah stuff being built up on dire pretty comfortable to play
without buyback still even though ta has crazy damage there is tier 2 tower on
every single lane so it's very hard to lose your entire base or lose the game
you will have multiple sets of glyph whereas tundra they basically have to
have buyback already I think otherwise mid and bottom it's gonna be dangerous
We can listen in to your players a bit.
Maybe we can discuss, because they are going to think it's blocked. They don't know how fast it is.
We should look to Borsig, maybe even on the last 20 seconds.
They are rushing to Borsig.
Clever.
It's fucking easy. Maybe we wait for 20 seconds and then go in.
There we go.
Even pre-planned. It wasn't a spur of the moment. I was all ahead of time.
Yeah, they planned to do it as late as possible, knowing that Paravision would make that move down bottom to setup control.
so very nicely anticipated there by 33 in the squad.
And of course he's talking about the Roshan there that they took a few...
Yeah, and it's a go.
Paragraph shouldn't come in to grab the Tormentor.
Okay.
Arrival of the Tundra cavalry though as T.S. Lepus jumping, scouting, makes the move onto no one.
Eclipse forces the Parker PKB in a hardy separate Paragraph.
They're TPing out with a Luna.
Tiny, Kotal, both disengaged as well.
Tiny doesn't have TP sitting in the tree line, hoping they don't realize and indeed they do seem to be leaving the area.
He scans to make sure it's safe and then he goes through the gates.
Oh, 33 doesn't have a cancel, so he cannot hold him in place. Gleipnir was used, but it does not stop you from going through the gates.
Yeah, off you pop.
I feel like it should. I feel like Root should stop the gates usage, but you know, I guess it's not that type of TP.
Still kind of crazy how Parker feels bold enough just to go up that high ground, blink
into the middle of potentially five heroes and say hello.
It was a very good read.
They all read that, okay, they're on the Tormentor and right after you take Tormentor, you typically
want to reposition.
Yeah.
So they just knew that they were going to leave.
He bolts in there.
But yeah, Parker, that's been one of his strengths for sure, but he's generally pretty fearless
when it comes to executions in the middle of late game.
the player is willing to take risks. That's what they need here. They're down 12k, getting
that Aegis, putting him in a position now where they can front line with a Timbersaw,
push out all these tier 2 towers, maybe crack open a bit of map for themselves while Paravision
for the first time this game really, on the back foot. They've been running at Tundra,
now there, the ones being run at. Sorry, 3 just wandered straight on in, but he's going
to get tossed back into the Shadow Shaman. Oh, he got the Agon himself though, can't
Burst him up and you're right. You can't burst this Timbersaw so he's perfectly fine.
Keen's gate is out, the eclipse of the White Mon bursting to Kiro down.
Jukkallus and no one trying to find a bonus target here is 33 in the back.
He's on to Satanic. This Aegis Timbersaw, he's got a couple of lives but he's being left
high and dry by his team. He's gotta fall again, I think there's
little chance to get away. B could be maybe Keen can get it.
Got the pit, got the shackles.
Actually I haven't tried against the new tiny Avalanche stun.
If you spawn from Aegis, can you ever get the BKB out against the new Avalanche?
I guess maybe not, because there's a stun aura that it's treated as.
So I think it's going to apply instantaneously when you respawn.
Because that's what happened there, you respawn and the Avalanche was on and he could not BKB.
It's like one of those disruption into Murana arrow kind of deals.
Yeah, yeah exactly. Completely instantaneous thing.
thing. Yeah, it lands on your head, it lands on your head. Oh, they're jumping out. Simpsons
dead to 50, but BZM and Parker take down the Underlord. Ducales eats some lotus, is it?
Satanic BKBs up, stands, goes mano e mano, gets Parker down. Luna's pretty strong, but
Parker seems stronger. BZM comes in to blow up the Luna. Satanic dead and Parker is found
and opening on no one. Blinks forward aggressively. The Fisher blocks, keep tying trapped inside,
And TA with a killing spree, an ice bath of the 9th class follow through, with a chase from BZM, the keeping vision of the key for the light.
And they've got the lock down it takes to get Parker a double.
That was some really nice move actually, jumping down, bursting down for the first.
There was a tiny, tiny mis-execution there coming out from Zotanic on his Luna.
He refreshed, started dropping the ulti, but he didn't BKB again, lost his BKB effect, got jumped by the shaker.
shaker while having a refreshed BKB you could have activated if he did that plus
the satanic I think he actually could have turned it but once he's once he's
stunned of course he just falls immediately an 8k net worth sorry gets
the blink in jumping into base destruction starts on 9 class buyback
from the tiny now in reaction Timbersaw is on top of this Kotal and so is Parker
Ooh, that's Caudaldead with no buyback.
90 seconds!
Now Luna and Underlord looking and wondering, do we have to buyback as well?
I think they're gonna hold. I think he just got a little bit too close.
Didn't expect that aggressive look, but a shadow demon.
He's going to Force Wager.
Yeah, they're pushing. They want to force this.
They're trying to force buybacks. How are these guys? They're alive in 10 seconds.
10 Force falling quickly. Parker just opens up and shreds the buildings.
It is a lot of armor on the buildings. They're gonna respawn normally.
They've got to jump on no one.
They force the BKB, say Tannock by his back.
He's going to give them Mr. Battle here, the save with the disruption on the TA.
Eclipse comes down with a play, Park is BKB'd up and runs away though.
No one tries to go for the toss, but he can't find a target.
He's silenced up, the Tiny can't do it.
The Luna's too low.
And the Luna's got to go back to base.
Timbersaw's in with a BGM jump.
Shadow Sharman's gone.
Tiny dead, no buyback.
Binoste.
Shadow Sharman and Cartel gone as well.
Luna and Underlord, 2v5 as Tundra with Parker coming big time!
Satanic still trying to fight the best he can, but all his friends with them call it and they tap out!
Parapishion had done and turn remove on!
I can't believe what I'm seeing man, I cannot believe that the coddle picks up there.
Parker! Parker!
He played beautifully, but I will get credit to the real instigator of that.
And that sequence started by Ari blinking in on his SD catching coddle, and then they followed up.
That was an aggressive move by the SD. I love to see it. Nicely played by them.
Peter Piper picked a pack of...
He just stopped. Thanks, Garret.
That's it.
Often it was Pickle Pepper that he picked in case you were worried about what was being picked at home.
And what was picked in this game was a Templar Assassin.
On Parker, he owned.
This is what I wanted to see, alright? This is the part that you're meant to be seeing, alright?
From the historical Valahia performances, this is it, alright?
You get his TA, he chills the lane, BZM not having a great game, 33 on Timbersaw, not having a very good game.
The one thing that was consistent for them was Jakira's position with Ike's pass,
disruptor, sorry, SD disruptions to save, and then Parker farming an ungodly amount.
On top of a very good Roshan call, but, you know, again, I was critical of Parker in the previous couple of games because I had high expectations for him.
He must have heard some critiques. You know what? I'm the fucking guy. Look at him going.
I'll do. I'll play the villain this time. I'm going to say, I know he can do this on TA. I know if you give him a free game and let him farm.
I mean, by the way, his farm was insane.
Yep, it was.
This game. He was just allowed to go. We were speculating about who was going to take the stacks. It was Parker.
We we saw him just how but I think it was like I know like 30 minutes
And he had like someone like 400 last he had like 280 yes at like 19 or 20
Like obviously he like he had the space to make it work
But I will say like also the rest like he already mentioned like their supports for also
You know BGM 33 like being able to make this place and we had some of the listeners like obviously 30
Yeah, we all know what it is a giga brain
But also like now you actually you get to hear it yourself like the how to team fight who's going in like bro
No, no, let me be the first guy also like the Roshan call that's so clutched. So
Not only that though putting the ages on the timber having herds. Let me go in first
Yeah, let me solo. I'll do it like then here for I mean this I mean needless to say you're going out to three
You know with a score and then this you're you're ahead in this game
You know it's supposed to be kind of yours like they have like a 15k gold lead ages
They're going to the high ground satanic has refresher in this fight doesn't get even a single eclipse off
Yeah, like I mean it was a very like entertaining back and forth, but this loss for party is devastating. Oh, I agree
I agree. I think I know I'm shocked. There's anyone probably watching at home. It just felt like
Everything was going paravisions way you had everything you need you could you could play so patiently
Chip away at the base with the you know refresher shaman
Yeah, it's so much there for you
But they but they mentioned it in the cast right the idea for P vision right the game very quickly become
We need to catch Parker one time. We need to get this one TA kill, right?
He ends the game 9-0-5 and that kill never happened, right?
Like you would think maybe with the later
Let's speak to be charges the way that the game was being played the aggression that he brings you'd think that they get one
Catch on him, but they just were unable to just create that moment and again
It is testament to the TA that Parker can play again
It's one of the my favorite heroes that he has played so far at Blackheath and I just don't think he's gonna get TA again
Other teams watching this it's like let's put them on a murder and play for the mid to late game
But when you give him the TA like the blink dagger desu timing where he fights the full team in a room like this
Is what he can do on active heroes when he's playing the other heroes and he's scaling thumbs up
Ta to be clear playoffs equals band hero of the tournament
Hero of the tournament will be banned in playoffs will be banned against tundra if we see it again
We'll probably be hyping up tundra winning again. Yeah, I agree just bad to a against them
I mean, obviously, I think the problem that pyrovision had based on everything that we saw there was so much too bad
There was so much to think about you know in the drafts and everything so they let it do that the ta through
And I think we're gonna get white man on now. Is he he's preparing he's getting mentally
mentally prepared for us for the EC for there was yeah the welcome boss by all
means to jump in brother nice game thank you yeah welcome first of all
congratulations very well played we were a little bit surprised because do you
feel paravision through that one or do you think you you won that one you were
always gonna win or do you think Paribas made mistakes? I think we always trust Parker that
can carry us you know he's like legend of the area. Um well I asked the question then because
we've talked a lot about Parker did you as a support having to play with him did you have any
say in which carry was going to be the stand-in for this tournament? Yeah I think I suggest a lot
lot of options and then I think we talk about it with Neta and Moon and which one is the best for us
yeah I think it's Papa got the best for us because she's kind of similar with Puro style I think
okay and you've been very happy so far yeah right I'll let you jump into all right I have one
question in regards to tranquil boots all right because solar crest was a support item caused and
and bought it back in the day. Glimmer, same thing. Tranquil is now being bought in the
offline. Are you kind of, what's your thoughts on cause taking these support items, every
patch it seems?
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, I don't know, it's all, I think, Nettah, like the ones who's trying to start first,
right? So I don't know, maybe he's trying to make the supports like, don't have any
items to buy. Just buy any items like he buy the Glimmer, he buy the Tranquil, what else.
Because you're gonna lose all your items. Have you told him about this? Like are you
trying to negotiate? Like please give me one item?
No, but I think Nata always like always suggesting like the items for course sometimes.
I see. That's it? Yeah.
You didn't skill Egyn game one brother against Tinker, Doom and Dytrin. So I just like
It's like a very conscious choice, so I understand you're playing hotspot, you want Sunray, is that like the main deal?
Yeah, I think if there is no teamfights, I think Sunray max is kind of good for pick-off for early games,
because I don't think the X's really matter a lot, I feel like in that game we kind of lacking of damage,
and that's why I just maxed the Sunray for the damage.
That makes sense, it looks funny, but it makes sense.
it makes sense. And I have a question about your items in game one, mainly from your course,
like you guys played the, it was beast, and I think you had the phases, like you played
into the tinker with wind waker, the tree, and none of you guys had a nullifier. They
both I think had Manta and double Lincoln's. What is that something you guys talked about
after game one? Or was it something completely different? No items talk, nothing?
I think it's more about the train. I think we kind of get getting annoyed because the
train would, you know, that's why everyone's trying to buy the Manta and then I think Lincoln
maybe because we play against Doom, but we didn't really talk about it, so yeah, I feel like everyone just
atomized agent poorly, I think. We have like a lot of Manta and Ninten, but if we kind of don't have enough damage or nullifier, yeah.
It's a beautiful problem, and I have a clip I want to show you about the Rose. You guys stole Rose in like game 2 and game 3, I would say, in very, very clutch moments.
Yes.
Can you tell me more about it? Like was it 33 in both times? Is it different? Like how does this come up?
I feel like if we take this fight here, it's kind of good for us because we have the outpost right.
So if they want to fight us here, we have buyback, we have everything, we can fight them there.
And we need to kill the Ross there because otherwise if Ross move into bottom,
it's going to be on their outpost and it's going to be disenfranchised for us.
Now this was super clutch and you guys did it in the game before as well.
Do you know who made the call then?
Like you had like this 10 second window as well and you killed it.
Golem did you throw everything into yeah? Yeah, I think mostly it's Neta
Okay, I have one last question greedy enchantments how good are they how good do they make you feel and do you think they should stay in the game?
Because I love them, and I think they're OP as hell be careful. Don't praise them. They're gonna nothing
It's too easy to read if you like
I mean there's 75 give him it's it's good
I like it for supports, but the 100GPM sometimes is not worth it, especially if you play Jakiro maybe, because...
Not worth it?
Yeah, I think so.
The right answer.
I'll ask you about expectations for the tournament. Obviously, when you use a stand-in, it's always difficult because you have to change things in the team.
On day one, we said we still think you guys can win the tournament even with a stand-in
because obviously Parker is, you know, we know how good he can be when he plays his
A-game.
What were your expectations coming in?
Was it like a chill tournament, have some fun, get to know Parker or are you dialed
in and good into the trophy?
I mean, for sure we're trying hard.
I think, yeah, it's another tournament for us.
We play with standing, but I think we still trying hard also.
We still trying to win.
Yeah, yeah.
And like you say, obviously we've enjoyed watching it.
It's been a hell of a ride.
Yeah, it's been a rollercoaster of the boat, you know, from the next flight all the way
into the snow.
It's been a lot of fun to watch him and we absolutely thank you, Morit.
It's great to see you again in the playoffs.
We look forward to seeing more of you.
So best of luck.
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you very much.
All right, you can sneak out we'll bring graphics up at least that's the theory
You've left your phone brother, there you go. All right, there we go. There's your phone
The brain was used in the game
It happens. I love hearing from this guy, you know, the gold giving us good insight. Absolutely. I mean, you know
You saw it yourself how I least rated by all of his fellow pros, you know, yeah, rightfully so kids
It's a wonder child. Yeah, absolutely
And it's also kind of scary because like being regarded as at the best support in the world
It's like who I will be on any pub you play people see how you want to play any competitive game that you're playing here
It's like they're gonna look at his like POV and it's like you're always in the spotlight
I don't think in recent time we've really spoke about other fives to the same level as white man
He's really holding down this position. Yeah, tournament after tournament and it again
It's just a scary prospect what white man brings any team
Yeah
I mean listen you're never out of a game when you've got players that good on you on your roster standing
You know or no standing and like I say it was great to see it all kind of come together today because as we've talked about
While we've been doing parker watch that is the theory that is what you see in theory
You see a parka pop-off game with a really good tournament winning core doing so much around the map and activating him and you know
that's
That that's if they play like that again, and especially to get the TA again don't rule them out within the trust
I just want them to try and find a way to replicate that game three right yeah
Other games you can argue about like the turbulent nature of the early game on players the mid game being weird the back and forth
But like the concept of that game through the idea of like what Parker brought like that's what I wanted to see from day one
So seeing it in this game. I'm like, okay
They've got this like recipe to doing it and when they enter the playoffs find a way just cook it up
Go again because like if you can find other heroes that have the same like aura as TA
He tried to do on the monkey king. It didn't work out
But that was another thing I just don't know if you can do it
That was the thing is like that was a hero in old that he won where it was a home when he touched his monkey king
that you could fill the whole studio just around him right so it's like once
they find kids like the TA plus two that's when it's like damn but again TA
do not give it to Tundra like that it they are on another level when he has
TA like it's also about what he was saying with the items where he's like you
know maybe we didn't like communicate and people bought bad items like this
stuff is important especially when you play against like the top teams because
obviously like heroes is important their gameplay is important but also like if
they don't really talk to each other or one guy you know says oh I'm gonna build
this and it just goes like one like in one year and comes out the other by the other guy like that's
a huge problem I mean he also clearly stated two main defensive items right so clearly something
went wrong within the lads that you know defensive items aren't the way to do it so all right well
look forward to seeing more of Tundra let's have a look at the bracket let's do it it's time for the
graphics oh yeah we haven't seen this yeah well we've got other results to talk about and you can
obviously that is a confirmation of the things that we saw earlier.
We had a Chinese Derby Vici who weren't even supposed to be here in the playoffs.
That is sick. I'm so happy for them.
So happy we've got Chinese representation in the playoffs as well.
So big for the region right now.
Obviously we saw a sad story play out with Narvi.
An exciting young team just collapsing under the pressure that Team Bet Boom masterfully
Masterfully put them under and of course paravision being out
For for me also sad. I think they've got such a great team
But ultimately tundra just executed so well in two games
You know for sure like hanging the pocket comeback game like like both party and Navi
I feel like it's a little strange about their losses like I think Navi didn't really show us what they can do
Whereas party, you know, they had good games
They had the lead in both game 2 and in game 3, and then kind of, you know, they let loose,
like giving Tundra, you know, the chance to, like, move on and show us what they can actually do.
Whereas for Vici, I'm, like, incredibly happy for them. I think, like you said, they weren't supposed to be here.
They also heard Faith beyond earlier today say they didn't really, like,
scrim that much because they weren't supposed to be here. They're, like, kind of a stand-in team.
But they're great players, and it just goes to show you when you have good ideas,
you play a good game, you feel good with one another, anything can happen.
Yeah, and we can take a look at the games that we're gonna be coming up. We've got the playoffs. This is what I want to see
Yeah, now let's all fold it out. Yeah. Oh, oh, yeah, nice
Okay, nice matchups
I'm looking at it already like seeing liquid tundra again tundra
You had to go to like the final series to get there but going straight away against liquid that already is very exciting
And I like the top side of the bracket right because to think that the idea of heroic BB spirit of itchy
All can just make it to the next round of course top four. It's like if there was like a little Aurora site in the mix
It's a bit spooky, but I'm liking how healthy the mix of teams are there
Yeah, and it's kind of interesting to see Aurora and Yandex as well going up against each other as well
That's gonna be absolutely sick. So I'm definitely looking forward to that as you can see this is what the schedule is
Gonna be on stream. We're gonna be ending with that team liquid tundra esports feel
That's like just a classic encounter at this point and given what we've just seen
You know if Parker shows up anything's possible. There's some spicy matches like that's hundred you made it through here
You get a good like on like the straight first playoff sort
And I think there's also something like when I just look at spirit versus Veechie like you're yeah
You're the Chinese team you come in you feel good generally like when I see spirit against a Chinese team
I would say like PTSD from like old TI's where they just beat them like straight up
But you know Veechie long time ago now. Yeah, they're you on the block show me something. I think those will be great matches
It's heroic, they're leveling up.
I really can't take anything away from the BB&RV series.
So for me, it's like, I can see heroic
getting a good little series when they're
making some progress, anything's game.
All right then guys, you know what I'm gonna ask you.
Ooh, go on, what's the question?
It is the end of the show.
You have thoughts in your brain.
They will be the final expressions of those thoughts.
Would you like to make any?
To me, I think the value of support
is like insanely high.
I think specific support duels are crazy good.
I think also Tempo and Dota right now is maybe as important as it has been in maybe many years.
Like you see the liquids that just take over games.
So for the playoffs, I think teams should revisit heroes,
support duels, how fast you want to play, and who you play against too.
Like I think you've seen that all these teams, it doesn't matter who you are,
they can just beat you if you're not on your A-game.
I'm just in for some good playoff games.
Thanks, Kezu.
You're welcome.
He gave you an actual.
Yeah.
I thought it was about time.
Oh yeah, it's been like four days of no-on.
He is my favorite panelist now. You got one full screen on teaguff leaves. I might go on protest, you know
No, I leave I
Honestly would love to see a little run from heroic
I'd love to see a little bit of a vici gaming run as well
I feel like coming into his payoff bracket. It's like a couple favorites, but I truly feel like it
I cannot picture the top three. So that alone is excitement. I think you liquid it when they said I can picture the full top three
Yeah, okay. Yeah, we got so we tried. Yeah, we tried to shut them down
Yeah, I don't know. I'm not his favorite. No, no, no, you're gonna put you in the night. I know you're right. It's always been fun
And thanks for being with us over the course of the day the final day of the group stage
Which means make sure you join us tomorrow for the playoffs. We'll see you then
I can die guys, don't hit the middle.
I can die guys, don't hit the middle.
Tron, only Tron
We got kill one on our left, stay on our 4B
I'll go to the left
I'll go to the left
Stay on our 4B
I keep on main
Fuck it, yeah, finally
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