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I'm a boy who might lose their boyhood.
I'm a boy who might lose their boyhood.
I'm not the one to be loved or loved.
I'm the one who will be loved.
Thank you.
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Udejku penica
Ze kraste petica
Ze kraste petica
I'm just getting wrapped around on the bears going to see bristle.
Indeed, pops the smoke and I fall and I open things up onto the bear.
I don't think it's a roar on the bear as well, but there's the epicenter on the tree here.
This is my code.
The E on this for him is going to proc.
You might think he's not died yet.
Firestorm doing massive damage.
Under the war does die first, but at the cost of three extreme members, and they're just going to call it GG.
We're going to a game number three. What happens with Lone Druid now?
Bear as well as Ember now. How are they gonna smoke?
Bear is stunned. Bear can't get PKP off.
Taking tons of damage.
Oh look at the damage coming from WS and Cicoto!
In conjunction, it's three dead instantly!
They just evaporated! Four dead for Xtreme and now XXS left all alone.
It's not quite enough damage, do they have the stun?
They get the back, they get the kill on Taame, that is a huge one.
Actually healing up even with the silence. He's just standing his ground. He doesn't care
Still they are losing body
I'm sitting here. He's trying to find wine up the side of the play about from XM
Finding a double
He's got a third
days
Trying to get away, but they have detection
One T4 down, Crop Soulbite is out there.
I'm going to try one last time to jump in XM, almost dying, but not really quite.
Rortle in it, XM is still alive, they can't kill him.
He's going to make it out.
They get got the juice down, they're out of gas here on the side of RV.
trying for the qualifix and finally losing his ages for the genius fall
deep torn to shreds regardless
there's the call and that is a dead hoodwink again
5 act expended from the winner on Earth.
Mr. Gay is number one with the change brought doing a good amount of work.
Save will survive.
He tells him to do this himself.
Meanwhile, focus fire on the Keratich.
But the cold embrace is keeping him alive for now.
And there's the mountain striking to the right click.
Remember he has a beautiful jump in from the arrow.
The MPB end up from Keratich and that should do it.
That's a die back.
Back step potentially a support.
Lycan all comes out.
I don't know if you popped those grieves with the global silence as well Sonic wave right on top of the like and ace
In a bit of trouble is gonna get bashed now trying to get back to his base. Actually, that's a way shadow strike does the job
Just like that's the five versus four in favor of Beth who's solo dirty right on top of Mickey gets off
The harpoon just in time, but just in time to die shortly after it seems and he's down and out with no way to get back in this game
See, look, they want to try and have a crack at the spike.
Roar is out from RC White, immediately onto Yamachu is not dead somehow.
Eventually, though, they will catch him.
The egg will reap a slice, proving not to quite be enough.
But now the turnaround. RC White jumping in the middle of three of them. Ghost will move back in as well, trying to chase their Lorin off.
Who's out of options here. All he can do is shoot, capture the low ground, but he can't swash away.
He's going to drop, chase him for like, wanting another. And it seems that they should find him eventually.
But Crystal is moving back in. This looks a little bit crazy. Oh, Crystal is. Can't find the killer like I...
Oh, Crystal is gonna go down, Fades one out of there.
Meanwhile, Yamach dipping back in, trying to go off the RCY, gonna pay for this life.
Focus fire again on RCY. Fades get as well.
Trying to hunt down Ghost in the woods, but there's a big enemy being popped.
And the turn around, moves in the middle of nowhere.
It's galore, but it's a pit for him.
So go for more fade.
Looking for the rubik for sharp shooter.
And now I see why going for the jugular right.
And there's just no defendings.
Fireback is coming out, but it's just more food for us
to see why.
He might type the thousand if they're not too careful.
Fade will jump in again.
force got Watson dropped in a half HP he's got the money for the axe but he
won't be getting to the secret shop and time as he's controlled he's killed
extra hook shot coming in from Skollfield but it's not a optimal
runner is it it's enough for the expert to the Reaper's Scythe and the job's been
done. Validate final run away from Wits and Dark Lotto but they should be
locking in 25 seconds for the Queen of Pain. Block is taking.
One of them will come through.
They're going to be still walking into the van.
They'll take the supports and they've got the cent for Locked and DM.
He has to fly back.
Walk 15 seconds.
Socks are getting pushed back.
Watson charging in with his hero this time around.
But the Ancient is already falling down to half HP.
Ten day first through with seven seconds of the Queen to pay to come back up.
Wits is trying to get close up with the Bear.
Is this roughing and Maladik goes down.
Dark Boggo is being controlled.
The Ancient's taking in.
Wits is joining in.
And the Ancient will fall.
They've worked out quick, Snake King was waiting in the grave very shortly as Yatharo is just mowing through these heroes, getting off the right clicks, but he's from dying himself.
He's so low, he already expended the Thunder and now he's going to return to life without access to an Aegis and also no Meta.
Now they want to keep fighting this, but no, Yatharo actually flicks forward with the Overgrowth.
Long is going to go there with the cozy of getting in the additional damage, helping Fancho to bring down Val'Rin.
And now Omar, BKB, Pops, he needs to get the hell out of here.
will refresh, pop them, and amorphous this again.
Amar?
Oh!
Amar?
Still unkillable.
You're all gonna try and find anybody else a weaker target, maybe get the dieback out
of Crit.
Take the beast, we'll come out.
They should be able to get a dieback.
Crit is gone.
Dieback though will be there for Zanking.
It is coming back, hoping to do something else to keep this game going.
Storm spirit, right next to Skeeter.
Getting a lot of damage from the right clicks.
He's out of mana, but he's dead.
We'll be there for Zanking. He's coming back hoping to do something else to keep this game going.
Storm Spirit right next to Skeeter. He's getting a lot of damage from the right clicks.
He's out of mana, but he's apparently managed to limp his way back into the fountain.
Amar will take out the final tier 4 tower with the help of Skeeter.
They want to end this game here and now. Laurel trying to do what he can, dipping this way.
It's nice. He's trying to get somebody, and he gets Skeeter.
But the throne is destroyed. The game is over.
GG, won't play, team Darkin's!
Realize this is trying to put some pressure onto Zotanic, but very quickly decides to leave them.
Global War that was there doing some work, but now they dropped him anyway. Triple S still gets the silence and Whisper
He already used DKB. He cannot use it again. They were going to chase him down, slow him down
He duffs him with Jade into the face, but they have ways to chase after him. Satanic goes through the gates looking for Whisper
Chasing him to the tier four, what's on this?
Satanic relax throw.
Eventually Whisper might die, but at what cost?
He actually doesn't die.
Nightlust gets him with the fadeball. Now Eclipse coming in from Yuma, going forward, not going to be able to kill anybody just yet.
Zatanic coming back for round two. How far is he going to chase for this Yuma? Yuma gets silenced up as his PKBN already dead. It's a triple kill for Nightlust.
Jump forward, fascinate KJ. Whisper won't be able to skewer him back, but to what end? Here's the bushwreck.
Do you have a TP coming in? Or a BB? Is it going to be enough? Look at this. Zatanic!
Yet again, very willing to just dive deep into the phase he takes down Whisper, forcing a buyback out of KJ.
Yuma evades the Sun Strike, they get a pushback out onto the Kans. Kans, will he die here? No, he won't! The robs are done!
Keeping him alive, he throws out the anchor, and kills off Yuma. The olagore dies after being grappled, Lord.
Tylong is the one leading the charge, but there's a moonlight shadow, they've already found him.
He's the one with the gold on his nice loss on the high ground, gives Q-Effect, but that's not an RPG yet!
My god, because he merges out of nowhere massive Bratidons, three heroes die literally instantly!
Sunstrike to bring down Thailand, GG it's cold!
He's focusing on VZ and Simultaneously, why are you able to get out, but they're not running
on the bottom side of this fight, why the wall respond to Tusk, he's going with the
dangerous territory, but he has that VKV V2 right in front of Saber, like he's already
down to 2000 HP, tomorrow he's got the focus fire on him, now they're going to lock him
in, V2 though, he got the synthetic of his internal regenerate, but it's not going to
He's gonna keep going down. At the same time, Aubur can jump kill to the backline.
Ulti Whitebaugh trying to finish off that Grimstrow.
If he's not too far off, and a BZM is gonna get caught inside the touched charge,
and he's dying there.
Double kill for Tamato. Invo does have a buyback,
but Aria boys don't look like they're gonna be making their way out of this fight.
As they will lose the Underlord, he does have a buyback too,
and an ultra kill for Tamato already at this point.
BP.
You know, it's always...
talking about getting caught maybe easy I'm getting kicked right into the arms of the rest of VP
Agents gone can they get the backup in time that hits there 33 has arrived to the occasion
Sorry, so you're like right on top of it gets the official stunt a young this won't pop
So they're like still in the middle of all of this is not three girls around
And you know that is doing it all and now all that in the house with another kid backwards and focusing down the underlaw
He's gone. He's gonna have to run away
BZN doesn't have any spells ready at the moment as Albin is going to be charging in with that EKV.
He has a Lotus or Protecting it as well.
Now he's just standing his ground.
BZN is so low, he's almost done for that dieback penalty as Tabato
changes his attention towards him and takes him out of play.
And Albin and Tabato will hunt down.
the game is over.
Greetings, Dota fans, and welcome back to PGL Velahia Season 8. You saw it there yourself,
the games have already been insane. And for insane games, we need an insane panel, which
is why I'm here, and joining me, of course, two people that turned madness into order.
Insane in the membrane
We've got Jenkins. I mean guys I just crazy games yesterday a joy to watch
Yeah, most definitely was a good day of Dota
It was a good day of Dota for underdogs as well because most of them they did win and these are the storyline that I always like to see
Yeah, well, and we get lots of the little pg of light here as you can see here on our Swiss bracket system
Just again just remind everybody, you know how Swiss works probably you win three
You're through, you lose, you're out, it's super simple.
But yes, Dom has hit the nail on the head, Andrew.
A lot of underdogs, I guess, being able to carve out wins for themselves.
Yeah, I guess not much surprising about the top four.
Those are all teams that could do it in any Milwaukee.
But it's more like the middle of the pack.
That's a little surprising, you know, VP being in there.
South American rejects, that's a big one.
I don't think anybody was expecting taking it
to Tundra. I mean, that's incredible. A gamer legion as well. Like they've looked really
good with the addition of ghosts. Like, yeah, three out of four of the series that we're
going to see in the one ones today are with an underdog winning, which is super cool.
Very, very surprised. I mean, I will add the caveats. You see, I'm not all about the game
religion train. You see, I know you guys will talk about that later. But I mean, obviously
mouse are in disarray you know we've got a player that's announced his retirement
that's still kind of clinging in there we got a stand-in as well but i mean all of a sudden
that mouse tundra game i mean that's kind of crazy it's insane like if you told me these are
going to be the zero two things yandex and tundra these are the teams that have been winning last
couple of different champions pretty much you absolutely read my mind again yandex are reigning
champions I was just saying like wow yandex super exciting well easily off
down to like this is yeah version of nothing against notice that's a
fantastic player but they won the tournament with dm yep everyone was
saying you gotta get this guy he's a free agent they did do it and it's not
like they're playing with standards and disarray like mouse has the excuse of
yeah sure celery's been right it's one off in and out a long time coming yeah
it's been weird but but for yandex like something something's up like they
They got to get it together.
But I don't doubt that they can.
It's just that there's a tough road ahead of them.
Yeah, and I like to say, we're always
blessed at the La Jolla with just great games
and great storylines.
So obviously, Yandex have to go out,
and we have to crown him the crazy champion.
Maybe it will be the SA rejects.
Who knows?
The other thing we like to do on the pre-show, of course,
is we do our meta updates.
And we're blessed as well, because we've got a new patch.
And so a new patch means new tech, new ideas,
and we watch them slowly evolve over the course
of nearly two weeks.
So what stood out for you guys?
So far, I would say we are seeing a lot of lone druids.
We are seeing like some-
Too much.
Maybe even too much for my taste,
because I really hate probably the hero
that I hate the most, Laning, against.
Basically you have two heroes, one hero in front,
one hero in the back.
You need to kill the hero in the back,
but we're seeing new stuff.
I think we have like 35 or something uncontested heroes,
but we're seeing good amount of techies,
Necro's coming out.
I think you might have something else
to add to this for this guy.
I do, yeah, you know, we were hoping for Necro a lot
on the mainstream when we were, you know,
paddling and never seemed to come out.
And then we would look at the B stream
and there it is, Necrofos, you know.
Pope of Pestilence himself.
Exactly, and we had underdogs winning picking Necrofos.
So I wanted to run some numbers.
I did some calculations.
I checked out Witza's game.
Okay on necrophos and I did some math. So the big change to him is that
This ability say this which gives you region no longer scales with
Repersciences the mana and health regen was rescaled from 3.5 scaling to eight with the different levels of repersciences
3.5 for the entire laning stage to 3.7 plus point
Oh three per level now. Here's that's a lot of numbers good or bad
Yes, well unless we're gonna we're gonna go ahead and continue breaking it down on the next on the next
channel here so I went to the game and I watched every single CS that wits got at each level
so he had six he had nine he got fifteen had a rough level four there he actually ended
up dying so he only got nine CS and then twelve CS at level five so I calculated how much
regen is that per level that he was going that he was getting compared to previously
so if we switch to the next slide there's about six to seven or eight of these so we're
We're actually locked in with TED talk.
We're locked in.
All right, good.
I'm going to relax.
Somebody had to do the math.
So if we go ahead and switch to the image regen.jpeg, here's the regen.
So this is the math that we did on the regen.
So this is what he would have gotten before.
So that is the CS multiplied by 3.5, which is the regen factor before you get to the
Reaper scythe and level that up and that's eight second duration. So that's a total of
1,428 regen health and mana regen that you're getting before which is quite a lot
But let's look at what he would get on this patch what he did get in this game
So now what people don't realize is when it says 3.7 plus 0.3 per level this motherfucker is getting four regen a level one
This is this is me. It's a lot like these are big numbers big difference. This is like 500 extra
Yeah, that's crazy.
Somebody did the math so it's like, yeah, 1900 is the total and we can put this into
perspective actually and calculate based on, you know, items in the game, how much value
you're getting out of this.
So this is about 477.6 extra regen, health and mana regen.
That's 1.42 tango equivalent and 4.78 mango equivalent.
And I decided like, we have to equate it in terms of mangoes because it's regen you're
getting while enemies are hitting you, right?
So you can't equate it to a salver clarity because those can be canceled.
So that's 438.5 gold just in the laning stage.
It's like an old talisman or a bracer almost of value for free.
Totally for free in the laning stage.
So is that the last slide?
No, that's not the last slide.
Actually, Richard, I got something else.
I want to show you in the game.
Obviously, this number gets even wilder as the game progresses.
This is at level 26.
So, we did the math and calculated roughly about 9 stacks of Sadist in this fight.
Give or take, because of course, depending on the duration, it's going to be different.
The fight started a little bit late here, but if you look at the amount of regen that he's getting, it is crazy.
It's like he's always sitting at over 100 regen, so in this fight, obviously Necro is the type of hero you want to run in.
You tank. I really love the build, by the way, on Necrofos.
But we have one more slide actually could you?
We don't we don't have one more slide, but we ran out of slides in this fight in this one
We did do the number of we did do the math we did do the math in this fight. He had about
400 to 500 more health and mana equivalent because of the new stats
Which is equivalent to having an octaring core in your inventory in a
5,000 gold item in your inventory like an item that makes you really really tanky
That's the equivalent just from the buff because you're getting so much more region at level 25 than you were before
Love the energy like I don't know if you saw Richard, but couple of T eyes ago
He was the one who also had a necrophos
I don't know what he even called out. It's a segment. Let's call it
We're just this stared at the camera for a full minute and said necrophos and that was it
And I got to say this one was slightly better. I was
Delirious
I don't think that's the trauma respond. I'll have to show you right later now. I lean forward. I'm gonna engage
I'm gonna ask my hostie questions. Okay. Here we go
What is what does it mean in real terms for how likely we are to see the hero for the rest of this tournament?
And what I mean by that is if he
still
Specialist in the sense that you need a good necrophos game just by picking him or is he just good and our people sleeping on it?
I would say that he's very pickable, like we saw him being played two times, he did one of both of the games.
I feel like the hero has a lot of potential, you can't really squeeze it in early in the draft,
but we're seeing a lot of these right-clickers, these lone druids, monkey kings, these heroes that
don't have a hybrid type of a damage. Bristol-back, Beastmaster, like really tanky heroes too,
and he's really good against those because of the newer build you saw, Consecrate,
Raps of course, being the part of the build makes him extremely tanky, and it feels really nice.
here we go. Here we go. Oh, wow. We love production. They were like, we pulled it up. We pulled it up last slide because I didn't watch I did watch this team fight and calculate at each at each point given the duration of how long the status was doing last night.
This took me a really long time and the difference in the amount of regen that he got compared to previous Necro and with the exact same build is in octuring core worth of value, which is really crazy. And that's not even considering like he has a level 25 talent now that makes it.
So your Reaper Scythe does 1.2x damage instead of 0.9.
Bro, it's insane.
If somebody's like 70% HP, you Scythe them.
They die because of your Spell Amp on top of that.
It's so much like, I saw a DM went for, not in this tournament,
but I saw he went for Refresher Orb.
He would wait until somebody's like 20% health down
and he would just Scythe, Refresher, Scythe, they're dead.
It's like, how do you play against this?
How do you play against it?
There's one thing that counters this hero.
We don't talk about that.
We don't talk about that.
We don't talk about that.
It is Nullifier, pretty much.
It makes the hero pretty vulnerable to everything.
But I think the hero has a place in Meta, especially
because we are still picking the saving supports as well.
So during the Nullifier time, you might use the Shrop Shun.
You might use the Snowball as well.
These are very popular heroes.
And we've been talking about maybe Offlane as well.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, you could definitely squeeze that in
if it's a good opportunity.
If you see heroes that they can't really flex, for example, if you know that this Monkey King,
he's going to be going for the carry role, you could squeeze in Offlane Necro.
If you see what you're playing against, you could give him a good time.
And there's a lot of items that Necro could potentially buy from the Offlane as well,
and then he starts to scale.
You don't necessarily need to go for Radiance or anything.
You can get the vessel.
You can get these smaller items.
Fellows' Crozier.
Yeah, that's pretty much...
Crazy item on Necro, by the way.
It's a very good item.
So you've also talked about builds.
You've noticed some interesting builds, I believe, over the course of the tournament as well.
Yeah, I mean, there's been a lot of them. Some of them are interesting in the sense that they're a total dog shit, but there's...
Look, interesting is interesting.
Yeah, there's others that have...
When I put interesting in my Tinder profile, it's not all positive.
Not always, not always. So, you know, some to look at is, you know, XM going for the Hydra's breath on a melee hero is very interesting.
He didn't end up losing but I think the theory is like he's just trying to apply the debuff
Obviously, he's not getting any attack range from this. Yeah, or the multiple hits
Katomi building casual
Whatever the hell that thing is what's I called Kazum stone on Wyvern as like this was a late
I love that though. I thought that was really yeah, I think the casual one
I think we're gonna be seeing it more on position for hoodwink as well. It's a very good items to set things up
There was also a mage-slayer on Mira on that game that he completely owned.
It looked really good because it's pretty similar to what Emberspirit wants to do with the slight with his mage-slayer
because the coconut, the nut actually bounces around and you see the newer build in Queen of Pain.
I think we're going to be seeing that quite a lot more with the Soul Ring, which kind of gives you mana instead of Kaia before.
Yeah, and then you pick up Vale and then you pick up the Bloodstone, makes you extremely tanky.
One of the fastest farmers in the game at the moment.
I thought the the Crozier plus BKB was interesting because obviously they don't they still don't work together
Yeah, but in that game he was playing against like alchemist death prophet timbersaw
So he
Just wanted it because you can activate it and then it doubles the more than doubles the healing reduction
Uh, so not using it for the ghost component just using it for the healing reduction component is is still very good
Way better than choosing to take a look at some of the win rates for some of those items as well that we've been highlighting here. This is uh
The last slide, I believe.
Yeah, you like that SS system.
Oh, yeah.
I'm a big fan of this item.
I think this is the perfect position for sometimes even position five item.
It's very cheap.
It's like urn, fluffy hat recipe, and it gives you pretty much what you want.
It gives you pretty much the track.
It gives you vision in the team fights.
It gives you extra bit of region, extra bit of a damage depending on what you're using
aggressively or defensively.
And we saw harpoon slash mages harpoon slash echo saber. I think this item is one of the most fun items right now in the game because it does allow you to like jump over the cliffs to go down the cliffs gives you pretty much potentially another life gives you super good chase potential on top of that if you don't see the hero before you could you needed to see the hero to use it on him but now you can latch onto the tree and then continue the chase.
And the last one was Mage Slayer. At 48% win rate, I want to make a statement in Mage Slayer's defense.
It's in every game on both teams.
So you can't really look at the win rate and be like, oh, Mage Slayer's like, it's not good, it's under 50% win rate.
No, it's still good. It's probably the best out of the items that we highlight.
That's the problem. This has picked so much. It's just, it's on both sides.
So like one team's got to lose, right? It's going to be 50-50.
So we'll take a look at the schedule for today. It is a PG LVM. You've got two streams. You can pick what you like.
This is what's happening over on the secondary screen.
Mouse vs. Tundra as we already highlighted.
A battle to the death can Tundra stay in the tournament past the third day.
We will see Yandex as well, incredibly in trouble with Navi.
We haven't really highlighted that.
We were so excited about Navi on day one and see them down there as well and the reigning champions.
That's a heartbreaker.
Yeah, it's always like the same story with Navi, unfortunately.
you get your hopes up, maybe they get like one win.
Right now, they're currently zero and two, which is not where they want to be.
Potentially could be out, but yeah, I feel like this team could do much better.
And always have the same feeling about the team.
Like I always keep getting disappointed by the team.
Maybe I just want to do the young guys.
You know, you want them to realize that potential and have that, you know,
transformative run at a tournament.
Oh, for sure. For sure.
I think also the other series that's going to be super interesting
is going to be a liquid against Vichy Gaming. I think Vichy Gaming is probably one of the
more underrated themes here, but they should not be after seeing their performance. These are also
like Chinese regics, I would say, and they managed to gel well as a team, and you can see the
chemistry, you can see the drafts and the gameplay. Everything's just popping off.
I mean, they went one, two, two, one, right? So like all of their series have been
in long and hard battles.
So it's not just like they, there's clear tears
in terms of team skills.
Like a lot of the teams are very close on this tournament.
And this is what we'll be talking about on the desk.
Of course, our primary screen.
We're gonna be closing out the day
with the Rora versus ParaVision,
Betboom versus Falcons.
That's just gonna be mega loving that.
But for us, heroic versus Virtus.pro coming up.
But we're gonna start the day
with Team Spirit versus Game Allegiant.
Yes, your eyes do not deceive you.
Game Allegiant won a series,
looked very good in the series they lost as well
on two of the games.
So I guess that's a good place to start.
I mean, we had slacks on the desk,
so it was a little bit chaotic on day one.
He gave an impassioned speech
about how Game Allegiant could bring in a doda back.
But actually, I have to say it,
Um, he made that entire thing up. I was watching. Yeah, no, it was it was diabolical, but that's slacks for you
But I mean honestly with ghosts on this lineup. They look very different to what you would expect
for sure I
I would say something that Jenkins said before we went live is he said that he has the sauce
He's a very unique player. I would say when he was playing for nigma galaxy as well
He kind of was their best player. So I was really surprised that eventually he got removed from the roster
And if you look at the heroes that he was playing so far, he played only three heroes. He played Necro
He played Muerta and he played Viper. He basically is playing heroes that have built in Ghost Sector
That's why he's named Ghost as Necro. He has Muerta can be attacked
But the very interesting player and I think for the rest of the tournament nobody wants to give this guy a loan
I think it's gonna get banned every yeah, I think specifically for him. It will be a priority
but I need to I need to
Credit the the sauce quote because I was from Quinn. That's what he said to me. Oh, wow, okay, and you know, I
I thought it was a really how's he doing by the way. Is it good? I was doing great. He's chilling. Yeah, good
I thought I thought I keep my maybe streaming right now
Hi Quinn. I think he it it's a very beautiful way to put it because it's simplifying things a lot
It's like nothing against Yamson nothing against Shad. They're very good players
But they're like tier two tier 1.5 players you see ghosts you see him play at these TI's and it's like this this guy could win
You know and maybe it takes a meta where like lone Druid is in every game
Which he is you know, maybe it takes a meta where where he's getting these years
But when I saw a gamer league and pick up ghosts
I was like, okay, this is a fucking legit team now man like they got they got a guy with the sauce and then they got a full NA roster
essentially behind him, doing crazy North American shenanigans.
It's exciting. It's very exciting.
And remember as well, the first game, they lost, but they looked good.
That was against Team Liquid. You've got to give credit there.
And then obviously they won the look of the draw, they got to play mouse.
We're not really having high expectations for them moving forward.
But this is another opportunity for them.
team spirit without collapse you got to prove it here yeah absolutely and it's
probably gonna be your like best chance to take down team spirit because like I'd
say Batyuk he is he's done a good job he's like but this guy doesn't have much
experience he played for like two teams that you probably never heard of some
like passion UA and one more team but joining a team like team spirit it has
to have like a lot of pressure on you and the team spirit I would say that they have a very good
teamwork ethic as well getting in new players this is what they are known for when first the
Laurel joined the team it was something that they made him work like he was the standout player I
would say that year what he joined how well he actually dealt with the rest of the team
and you know you wouldn't expect this result no absolutely not but recently it has actually been
favor of a gamer legion in terms of who is winning the series and I wanted to
you know look back in the past at the point where nouns actually I mean I
remember everyone remembers I got a knocked out spirit at TI 2024 and so
there's a little bit of like you know spirit is like this is crazy oh yeah
I can see what he was announced.
He was the Nouns guy.
He was the Nouns guy.
Yeah, I forgot about that.
Yeah, there's a little bit of a rivalry here going back
into the historic times of 2024.
Happier times.
Yeah, better times.
Different times.
What was that disease that Sans fan
denies that was going around?
Oh, there's a really funny joke I could do, but that's too
early.
Oh, yeah, you can't don't do that one.
I know what you're thinking.
Yeah, maybe, maybe we focus on the draft instead.
Yeah, excellent cost.
Yeah, let's...
Andrew's just insane.
Yeah, he wanted to throw you under the bus.
Yeah, it's classic, Andrew.
And look at some of these bands.
Phoenix, of course, man.
This is the only hero that still has 100% contest rate
because it is one of the strongest,
if not the strongest position 5.
At the moment, we're seeing Alchemist.
Not many people want to be playing against this.
And...
Holy shit, you get Ghost?
Lone Druid?
I said that this could potentially be a mistake and
They just allowed him to do so because I know that ghost is not gonna miss the opportunity to pick up this
Oh, right away
Interestingly enough though. I mean a lot of carries aren't missing the opportunity right we saw it with nightfall
Yesterday not one of his heroes, but if it's there, it's Insta. It's boom
We're locking it in so to give it up to ghost feels crazy. Remember what he was to stand in for mouse
It was every game.
Every game.
Every game.
Loan Jewel, they won.
But you know what, if any team is going to let something through like this, it is spirit.
I don't remember what ESL was.
I think it was Raleigh when it was Spirit vs. Paravision in the Grand Finals.
If you watch that documentary, which is fully translated, you can check it out.
You can see that the way that they like to draft, and I thought this was a silent thing.
It turns out it's just like a spirit idea is they almost don't respect like player hero combinations.
They just respect heroes. And so if they think that something is really overpowered in the meta,
they'll like let it through and they'll counter it if they think that they have a counter for it,
regardless of who's playing it, which I think is a really interesting way to play the game.
Like obviously you can get super punished for that, but if you have, you definitely can.
Definitely can against certain teams that have like hero specialist
But I'm also looking forward to see what they're gonna be picking against this laundry
Because this is still enigma that we need to be able to solve because right now
This is the hero pretty much off the patch and everybody kind of has the idea
Probably how to beat it. I want to see what the team spirit has managed to cook how they think at least how they think
What's gonna be good against laundry it? Well here's a here's a question
All of big num's heroes have been banned out or picked.
Today's his birthday.
You beat me to it.
He gets it.
Whatever pick he wants.
Yeah.
What is it?
It's not just any birthday.
It's a big one.
Yeah.
It's a big one.
It's a big new birthday.
It's a 30th birthday.
So this is the one.
This is the one where you're like, oh, it's all that.
Is he 30?
Think so, yeah.
Hey, it's a big number.
Oh, there you go.
very first while
don't have the
and you don't know chapter this rep in us old guys out there on the
on
and
that's good
but i don't have a good day to him and uh... if you're in the chat
definitely going to get on the social media mission at the best
so what is it he's going to place a punch that's the that's the uh... it's your
birthday you pick what you get it you get one bit of one pick
Game Illegion are crazy enough to do something like that.
Yeah, they are.
It's not a really big numb that's the crazy guy.
That's usually the same.
Just what we have a moment is, well,
can we talk about the coach change?
I think, I think this might also be the coach,
plus the coach change, might also be really helping
Game Illegion kind of get to that next level.
Yeah, I mean, their drafts, the...
They were very good, yes.
Yeah, they, the draft looks solid.
Maybe I was a bit more critical about one of the drafts
they did have with the draft being slow,
with this, like, carry viper and Tidehunter,
where you couldn't really play Dota as quickly,
but other than that, they've been very innovative
with how things are gonna go.
What is this, Go Green?
We have, like, five green heroes on the screen,
but I do like this approach.
Like, now, I'm green heroes.
Yeah, and now I'm really seeing what they're trying to do
with this Train Protector.
We have, like, an insane amount of damage block.
It's good against Longdruid, so you don't get, like,
one shot. Tidehunter is also another hero
That works really well against laundry up until laundry it builds a silver edge
But very good in the lane like you don't care too much about the harassment coming out from both of these heroes
We did see
laundry plus Venom answer yesterday, and it was against underlord plus hoodwing hoodwing
Yes, and they lost it didn't go. Yeah, it didn't go so well
There were some other issues happening in that game like hypothetically laundry plus Venom answer
If there's a lane that I'm going to pick a creep cutter, it's just not lane, it's against this one.
But then again, with that being said, Tidehunter plus Rubik is a very strong lane.
Like, multiple nukes and like Lacoste said, the damage block, the damage reduction as well.
Like, it seems like damage block and damage reduction, like Underlord obviously has the damage reduction.
Like, this is something that is quite effective against Lundrude, because you're kind of getting double the value there.
I like Sanking here. I like Sanking Venom. It just gives you insane amount of damage in the teamfights, gives you longer fights as well.
Like you have this initial burst, you have a bit of a protection as well for your lone druid, someone that's going to be soaking up the damage.
I think so far we've seen mostly Sankings being heavily targeted, like even when you go in, even if you go in with the episode,
You still want to kill this hero. You do not want to give him another like two man stun
But then she got another in this another round of abilities that he wants to use and
the rim stroke a hero that
Is on the rod? Yeah
Then picked a lot. Oh wow, they're gonna they're gonna try to like dump on the sand king mid
I was thinking maybe they go for like an ember spirit here
He can't pango because of grim stroke, but a mage slayer would be really nice against sanking
maybe tight hunter gets it. That's a that's a real possibility. Can you flex out the sun king?
I'm not a biggest fan of offlane sinking. I don't know how you feel about it.
Um, yeah, it's a it's a bit weird. I mean, it depends on what carry you're up against. Like
sometimes you can't really punish sinking in the first few levels and and it's okay,
but he spent so much time forming stacks. I don't know if that's what you want from an
offlaner right now. I think you can do it. Um, but it means you need a mid that's like more
active and not going to take the triangle, which sometimes just is not the case, but
game religion, I could see them doing it. It's just, Fade is not, to me, Fade is more
of like a summons player, like he plays the really like toxic heroes in the off lane.
I wouldn't like to see him on a Sand King, whereas like RCY, these like blink initiators
from the mid lane make a lot of sense. Yeah, I doom is still available. This is
something that he does play on fade. And with the grim stroke, it's probably the
best if not like the best possible combo that you can get like a double doom. It's
great against clean of pain. It's good against club. It's good against tight
hunter as well. It's one of the things that he really hates to play against.
But there's there's also a possibility of they have absolute last pick if
Spirit picks a draft that just has clear holes in it
You can definitely punish that it's you can swap them
There's always like a potential for like a huskar mid, you know
You do have to be careful about that, but I love that I love the doing suggestion like I think that
Makes a lot of sense
It's it's good against like literally everything other than I guess rubik because you can steal the doom
But hey, you can just press scorcher if it's not it's not the worst matchup ever
It really depends on what is spirits last pick
Yeah, if they picked like a gyro for example, it's like guaranteed doom comes out guaranteed. There's not even not even a question
So with that being said, what is
Yatora's last pick tiny is still in the pool
Yeah, Tiny looks good after all this time tiny. He has slow resistance. He has status
resistance. It feels really nice to play this year was not easily bursted. The damage that
they have is a bit of a damage over time on Gamer Legion. Like we saw tiny with 5,000
feet. The other day, it's just so extremely difficult to bring down. How is terror blade
against Longer? Yeah, I was thinking the same. I think it could be okay TV. As long as you
survive the initial burst from sinking. Creating illusion out of TB could be very good, but
this is like later down the line some 40 minutes because Grimstroke is very good against it.
Because I have a feeling Tiny's going to get banned. It seems like a little too on the
nose. And it seems like Yatoro has decided that he thinks Terra Blade is quite a good
hero right now. In the games he did play it, I think one of the games he was against like
Alchemist. So that's a counter matchup there. So maybe like that's what makes spirit hard to
predict in some ways and easy to predict in others is that like oftentimes they have such
versatile players. They'll just pick what they think is best for the game, which right now I
believe is tiny. It's not really a great hero to get an illusion of. You can burst the two supports,
Steve's status resists against Venomanser.
You know that Game Religion has absolute last pick coming in.
They're going to counter.
So you want something that's hard to counter.
Yeah, Tiny doesn't really have that many counters.
We did talk about yesterday's certain heroes,
hero that they did ban as Leisler.
But they're going to go with Luna.
Luna, Trion Protector, Tidehunter.
This is a very solid looking trap.
These heroes are not easily killed, and the new fight is...
Oh, they did Huskar.
Well, I was...
Yeah, I mean, it's RCY. He loves playing Huskar.
Yeah, RCY. The last series that he did play against Maus,
he went 15-1-7 on Huskar, and the second game when he played Beastmaster,
he went 11-0-21.
This is the guy that we don't talk about too much, but he is a beast.
Like he's core in that series was 26, one and 28.
I don't know what else do you want to have from the guy.
There is also, I would say, pure damage,
something that the Oscars doesn't like to play into.
Luna, she can build into break later on.
So I think they have some of the answers for Oscars.
They just don't come in straight away.
No, it's a window of timing.
This is one of those games where,
your spirit you're really happy you have Laurel on your team because this guy has such a history of
getting absolutely fucked in lane and getting no help at all and still doing fine because Queen
of Pain versus Huskar is one of the worst matchups for QWOP in the game. Now I do wonder how this
matchup works considering that there is a new build on Queen of Pain. People are maxing scream,
skipping dagger, going for soul ring, playing to farm the jungle. Maybe it's not as bad as it once
once was. So I'm very curious, like that's a big question for me is how does that one go?
But RCY will, regardless, have total free from this game. There is an issue in NA where
sometimes we, I'll say we pick to win lanes. And then you just lose the game, you win the
lane, you don't lose the game, especially against these top teams. So could happen.
What happened in the liquid game? We'll bring in our commentators, see what they think. It is
Sun's Fan and Cinderan, opinions, gentlemen?
About what, Richard?
The draft and the upcoming game that you will be commentating.
I believe that we are playing
or we are watching slash casting NA Dota.
Mm-hmm.
So NA Dota is gonna win, of course.
Oh, yeah.
I love how you give me nothing.
But after all this time,
and yet you profess to love me,
you say we're friends and then you do this every project.
Richard, you're really good at your job.
I'm just trying to show everybody,
showcase to everybody out there
It doesn't matter. I could just fuck this segment up so bad and you'll be able to carry it easily
No, that's true. That's true. Well, Cinder and then he wants you because we now have to fill. Oh, do I have to say something?
All right. Yeah, I'm afraid so brother. It's a good last pick Huskar. I think the
The lane matchup is obviously great
But I also I feel like the overall pace of this game. This is a game that game religion could win really really fast
I'm actually worried for spirit with the they're very slow heroes, right?
They have Luna who needs to farm a lot. They've tied in the off lane and if Kwap loses her lane, who's even gonna make moves?
Okay, I'm gonna retract what I said before. Cinder and predict. Let's go Spirit. They aim our legion to win
So that is definitely not happening. This is the biggest counter-incursable. Oh, no. Spirit's gonna stomp this game
Okay, who do you have now? It doesn't work that way. You're just trying to manipulate the system
Gabin knows the true opinion that you hold Cinder and I'm sorry. Cinder, is a Chinese team gonna win this tournament? No
Oh, they're gonna win. Oh hell yeah. Yeah. No, they still don't really I've tried
Jenkins it doesn't work. Yeah, that one is just rock. So China is immune to the curse that it doesn't matter what you do
They just they just don't have it until they do
Here we go. Yeah
No, well, it hasn't for 10 years now. Yeah, but this one's in China. Oh, yeah, that's right
That'll tell you that is my last time I let's follow. That's why you hate it Phil. It's the trivia
You've got it all. What do you guys think about giving ghosts laundry, right? I think that it's a questionable choice that I would have first banned I
Think it's great because Cinder and thinks it's a bad idea
So it means he's gonna shit the bed on laundry. I'm really sorry
I really want any dota to win. I know we're supposed to be unbiased casters
But Cinder really screwed this up for everybody. So I apologize to all the any
Do you really have an affinity to the region honestly? I mean, yeah, small
I mean, I mean look at my shirt for God's sake
Old-time I would say this is planned, but I had no idea who we were even casting until we got into this room. So
I just wear things that are comfortable
No, that's of course I do that. Yeah, I just I don't say I wouldn't say I believe
But gamer legion over the course of the last six months
I'm starting to believe a little bit more. It's gone from 0% to like 5. Still got a ways to go.
Your face. I think now that NA is the underdogs, it's like this team basically got a free pass
through the qualifiers, right? So everyone's expecting them to just be shit. I feel like when
you have a team, everyone's expecting to be shit and then they do good. It's just a good,
that's an Adam Sandler movie. They're actually happy, you know? It is a question for you, Shannon.
What happened to NA donor?
Why did, because I can tell you why NACS died on its ass,
there's a million reasons.
But what happened?
Because players can't live in North America anymore
without needing three jobs.
Yeah, true.
That is the sad reality.
And of course, you don't have great team owners.
Don't make it political, that would be.
The owner of Digital Chaos was really, really good.
He didn't take any prize pool,
definitely his decision on that for second place.
Who was that guy?
Yeah, he was a real gem to the community,
just misunderstood, you know, like many greats.
But is that what you attribute it to,
that it's just too hard to be a pro, essentially?
Yeah, I think it's actually that simple.
I mean, over the course of time, people have,
I mean, we try to inject talent into NA.
There's a lot of memes about that,
and it worked temporarily,
but the longstanding issues just, they remain.
Like, I got a question for you, Sunsphen.
How is it casting with Cinder and now
after he got a brain transplant?
Is it easier or?
He's using some new vocabulary,
which I find interesting, but all in all, not too different.
So I think they did a pretty good job.
The BIOS update was relatively successful.
Just a little couple of bugs to work out,
but we'll see how it goes as the turn.
Yeah, I also want to refer to flashing.
We don't mean that version, but...
I also wanted to get a brain transplant,
but then I changed my mind.
What's that?
I said I wanted to get a brain transplant,
but then I changed my mind.
Yeah, understood.
Dumbs took the break from writing jokes
You're getting Christmas crackers to be here today, so very good.
I didn't tell you what, you can just go into the game, shall we?
Well, it is paused, but absolutely.
We'll take it from you.
Apparently the fill was that bad that Richard just had the GTFO
understandable as we enter game one.
Pause, of course, Spirit versus gamer Legion, both teams one and one.
And I mean, coming into this, we didn't know what to expect from Team Spirit.
I think neither of us really believed because, I mean,
And I think of team spirit yatoro collapse or just staples obviously collapse not being here
I just figured they would struggle so far better than expected
That's just been playing well they beat Vici and then they lost in three to falcons
So keeping it close mean meanwhile gamer legion they lost initially to liquid which we cast in game in day one
Not we as in you and me me and some other person and then they two-ohed mouse who's been struggling. Yeah, so far
I think overall, probably on paper this game is, I want to say, with power levels we've
seen in the tournament, probably slightly Spirit-favored, but not as much as you would
think looking at the team names from a few months ago.
I think Gamer Legion have improved, I think Ghost is a good fit, and I would say Spirit
playing with a stand-in, plus maybe not being in the best form aside from that, could make
this a very close series.
And like I was saying, I think the radiant draft is just better, actually.
Now, it has some relatively steep level of execution required, which is always,
you know, harder to execute drafts can be even if favored.
In theory, if the execution isn't quite there, it's going to look more 50-50,
but I would definitely give them the edge.
And of course, like we mentioned, it's Ghost on Laundry, right?
You gave this guy probably his best hero in a meta where it is the best.
seen for years. Many a year and not for long, I'm sure.
That's, the North Amherst will come eventually.
Especially if that bug that Jenkins was talking about is actually existing.
Or if you just made that up, we'll find out on the next episode of
Why Are You Listening To Us? Jenkins. That's right.
I feel like we have bad luck in Huskar games.
Oh, there's a bounty room randomly. Okay. Same when they actually noticed that one.
It feels like the last, I don't know how many times,
I don't know if you're feeling this as well. Huskar is like picked in a last pick situation like oh my god
He's gonna dominate the lane he's gonna own and just hasn't been the case. I
Guess there's a bit of an X factor here because there's living armor
So maybe we shouldn't overlook that entirely as well that it does add to the equation
But usually what I look at with Huskar in his lane matchups is first of all how good is the lane in a vacuum?
Secondly, is there any global?
I'd say interference, which is going to be from own Lutrient.
And then, is there any rotation possibility where I think Spirit Heroes are just really bad at ganking mid?
Like, yeah, you can bring in Rubik for a Fate Bolt and a little Tail Kinesis, but it doesn't do that much damage.
Baskar's generally going to have a point in her fire at that point, so he can just knock away the co-op with Silence and probably do fine.
So it should just be an RC one-way, especially.
Matt Yook gets taken out of the bot lane by Ghost and Rue looks to be next.
And this is almost, yep, certainly going to be a double kill for Ghost,
and that is what you get, apparently, for giving this man lone druid.
Gracious.
And they gave Speed his Venom, too.
Yeah, that does seem to be his favorite hero.
If I could pick any team in this tournament right now who would be the best at playing this particular lane
It would be gamer legion. I think they might have the two best players on these two heroes of everybody in the event
And well you gave them both so you clearly I was gonna say knew what you were doing
You clearly knew what you were getting yourself into hopefully
Doesn't seem like you know what you're doing because if you die both heroes at level one, that's generally not a good sign
Yeah, I was not even looking at this thing. I can't believe they killed both heroes level one
If that's just not supposed to ever happen, but one drew things I guess. Yeah, well, they're no things too
We were talking about
Yesterday and I actually just remembered a detail. So we're gonna continue this conversation randomly, but okay
It's talking about how there was a player that was putting items on the main here as RC y getting gone on
We talked about this huge advantage for Huskar. He almost dies here. Super close call
Doesn't have any regen. He's going to and shadow strike on co-op. He's trying to play back
Aggressively here on everyone's expecting this scream of pain bill that we've been seeing
I mean the office this matchup is very different than it was a month ago because Huskar doesn't have cauterize
So he can't get rid of the shadow strike
It's still he still should just win regardless, but it's probably better for co-op than it was
And he is also winning by the way. He's 11 and 9 quote this 4 and 4 that was Laurel's one play and
I think now it's only gonna get worse from here realistically speaking
Tomb berserkers blood should be fine theoretically anyway back to the very important topic at hand. Yes
The items were being used mainly for the first half of the game on the lone druid here on the side of the bear
I couldn't remember what the matchup was it was against the tide which I assume is anchor smash right working
against the hero that is the bear now.
If you again will die.
So Ghost 3 and 0 start cannot ask
for a better start to the game.
And there's something even more troublesome here
for Spirit in that when you're behind in the off-lane,
what you can resolve to sometimes is just pulling waves.
Your four is a rubric against Venom.
So you can't even do that.
It's kind of a checkmate.
This lands just over.
Like I, there is literally zero chance
that Spirit ever recover this lane to a winning position.
Now it's a matter of how little can you lose it by.
Which is quite bad news.
When you're playing something like Tide Rubik,
this lane is, as we established, pretty slow.
So I'm just looking at the overall game state here
and all I see is Laurel has to carry the mid game
and he has the worst lane matchup
out of every hero in the game.
So, miserable to play.
It's really, really tough already.
I have my eyes on Laurel's level six.
I think he has to skill Sonic Wave instead of trying to do some 2-1-3 build or whatever for farming.
Because if he plays an equally slow game as his teammates do, Spirit are doing nothing.
And that's just, you know, the recipe for it.
So what's the best way to deal with Elondra? Is it the laning stage as Duke again might be going down?
He'll be rooted again, Gale hits, and likely another kill for Ghost. Indeed, that is the case.
Boy
This is the opposite of what we saw with nightfall in that first game where he died several times in the first five minutes
And then never became really much of a threat
And now ghost mirroring that sir. Is that the right word mirroring?
No, what's the opposite?
It is mirror technically, right?
Well, you should have seen you mirror something don't you do the same thing. Yeah, yeah
So when you say technically the opposite you're just wrong. Yeah, that sounds like you well
When you're looking in the mirror, when you're looking in the mirror, not again. Okay, if he dies here Shannon, I'm done
Okay, are you I'm fucking done
I'm speaking as the proof from the perspective of the Rubik play
Ru
Get away. He is not getting away. He is rooted here. There it is under the tower
Oh, no, I ghost god damn hero
The room Rubik gets rooted. Oh
Oh, no rule the day here goes bad trick. Hello
Feeding unrelentless. This is actually hard to watch. I'm not gonna lie. It's actually hard to watch
This is not the fact that speed hasn't taken a single kill is kind of a small miracle at this point
All right, we got the six minute power on it is top first life break with the silence to follow onto Laurel burning up has to blink
And the Panto will take the Invis, so Lara won't even be able to fill up his bottle.
So not to sound like a broken record, because I think sometimes early game things happen like this.
Like Elaine goes to absolute shit, and you can still recover it.
I wonder what the communication in spirit is like right now. It's like, okay, you're an experienced team.
What are you going to do?
Like sometimes I see a potential solution. Okay, okay, Patrick is gonna die again, but I walk down to the wave
What is happening right now?
He has to jungle actually. Oh my goodness. Oh speed got a kill. Yeah, sorry
There's about to be agent 007
RCY on the creep so he's gonna fall
That's the first kill of the game for spirit and it requires three of them. Yeah, I actually I really like this idea to be
honest you can't help bottom the lane is just lost it's hopeless his wisdom
shrines the speed so who can you play around you can only play around your
co-op in her bad matchups so they bring both supports there because you have to
dig really deep here and just find something and they did so that was good
and it's a real question I have a real question okay that's unusual at what
point does tide just go jungle like don't he should have already done that he
should have I think after his second death he should have jungled on level
three. But every, your instinct is telling you not to because you know in the back of
your mind how this is supposed to go. Like you pick Tide into loan for a reason. But
I think this matchup is very different than how it used to be as well with the, than you
were loan druid. And obviously-
Okay, checking out full Eclipse, another pick off for Spirit this time in the top lane.
They are down 3k, basically entirely because of his bot lane.
That Yuke refuses to go jungling, now he's under the tier 2, so a little bit more attention.
This is good though, he just farmed a couple of camps on the right and he's obviously going
to take safe farm in the tower, like this is fine.
It's a conclusion you could have come to a bit earlier, and it's funny how Batjuk was
playing, we were talking about, okay how is it gonna go without, okay hang on, let's see.
It's fine. Everything's fine.
He has two points in Crackin' now. This makes a very big difference.
Once he's under the tower, maybe...
Oh, perfect timing on the proc there.
I wonder if going 0-1-2 instead of 0-2-1 actually cost him a life or two.
Obviously helped him when he did go jungle. I love this from Ghost, by the way.
This is exactly what you want to do here as a launcher.
Recognizing the game state and how far ahead you are, you are now taking away tied space on the right.
Yeah.
So Ghost is farming enemy sidecamps at minute 8.30,
it's low druid.
Every, if you want to look at it from pure theory,
if Tide is playing in the optimal game here,
he is supposed to push out the wave
and then go and farm those sidecamps,
which means that every single camp low druid takes away
is about 150, not 150,000, that would be kind of crazy.
150 net worth swing, because it's 75 gold you get,
175 the tide doesn't get and he has nothing else really to do so
It just means that that is just a raw win. Sometimes you can do something alternative that's somewhat equally good
He went and farmed the camp closest outpost which is way more out of the way, and it's a singular camp
It's also means you can't stack it for balloon. Oh, yeah point. That's right
And yeah, this is interesting that the ghost ops to go for diffusel first
We've been seeing maelstrom obviously the main farming I know but it sounds like he wants to be very aggressive
aggressive, which can't really blame him. So that is now delivered and they're gonna go after tide again
It's a really nice item against Luna in this game state as well. Batyuk
He's gonna show himself. They're not gonna go for him. He's not worth it
Yeah, that's true. He might not be they they want to get a bigger kill here
If they kill mid they can also take the tower this they're looking for some collateral damage here
And if they were to find quap with the diffuser, they could probably just run her down. That's exactly what's gonna happen
Okay, Inkzwell will be there along with the ensnare easy pick-off ghost another kill to his name
So now I think we can safely say if this game continues down this trajectory that ghost will never play this hero again surely
Maybe there's a team that is just that egotistical, you know, they're just that confident
They can get away with the phantoms embrace right now
Now, on to Panda, level 5 on the tree, Inkswell hits another easy pick-off for Gamer Legion.
Gravestroke's level 7 at minute 1040. Super, super high level here.
This hero scales incredibly well with levels compared to a lot of other supports.
So this is very good news. He's going to make a quad stack of ancients as well here that Sankeen can take.
I mean, they're just getting whatever they want.
How does double lifebreak work on Soulbind?
I think you just take damage for both
How he said it works. I don't I don't even think it works actually. I mean, I'm sure they I'm sure the enemies take damage
I
Don't know if you like I do you bounce. I don't think you bounce
I don't know if you bounce and I don't know if Huskar takes the damage twice
Which maybe he doesn't in mind at that point that depends on the situation
I part my gut is telling me it doesn't work at all, but I could be wrong
that would be the first time of course. I hope we see double the soul bind of
course with eblade into huskar ult insta giving two heroes. That's right, I see you in demo mode.
This is a huge moment for speed. This has to work. It just has to work.
That bignum gets initiated on and he's gonna get sonic wave deleted.
Faye gonna try to counter initiate. Ghost has shown up as well. Faye often to go for the epicenter.
And finally, Ghost is bearstaking a lot of damage, but the damage being done to Spirit,
all in turn as well, yet Toro, dead to right, and to Bravage finally comes out, hits four
heroes, and big anchor smash to follow, Fade drops to the deck.
Speed will be next, and now Ghost on the run, he's very tanky, he's going to get some help
from R.C.Y.
Another life break onto Panto, but finally, Ghost's killing streak comes to an end, and
R.C.Y.
left to his own devices.
Here comes Grimstroke.
Oh, misses!
Oh, misses!
because Laurel won't get sold behind the Phantom to Brace on 2 as well.
Might be able to get a double as a result of this, but the Ink Soul that ensures it.
Meanwhile, RCY did live through the day.
And...
Oh my God!
Batyuk dies in a fountain to the sky.
That is, with the game that he's having, that feels like a cut punch, you know?
It wouldn't be a fight with Tide and if he didn't die.
True.
That's kind of been, every time Tide interacts with a hero in this game, he has to die.
It's a prophecy.
Honestly, that was really a good result for Spirit.
They only gained about a thousand net worth, but this game state is so terrible that
getting, you know, like you said, the four-man ravage, the Overgrowth and Death initiation was very nice.
Now, Laurel, just be a big fine, they got him.
He's done into the Ink's Well plus sounds from Huskar, and the tower goes down as well in a moment.
You're seeing the replay here with the Eclipse largely going on the bear,
do manage to take down the bear with the amount of damage Sanking is doing here looks very scary
great ravage as you mentioned into overgrowth gets them a couple of exit kills especially the one on
ghost worth
a ton of gold who was it that got the last it was at the queen of pain i think so right
now i was rubik who took it so
uh... rule
as a result is close to correct vessel
which of course is much better against huskar than it was in seven forty because now he doesn't
have cauterized so now you can actually keep it on him except life break is the only thing he
will dispel with. Yeah so Laurel dies here and then as you were talking about
there in the highlight you mentioned it of course but dies again so back-to-back
deaths for the mid laner on spirit not not great and we'll see how much that
extra influx of gold for killing ghosts comes into play but like you said it is
on rubik's I wonder if there's a world where co-op could have gone vessel
actually I know it might sound awkward but considering how important it is in
this game and the timing that you can get it at and when you're already having a
bad start like maybe that's a kind of feels good item with somewhat cheap
stats and active they are getting it on rubik but imagine imagine if rude didn't
get the kill on laundry it like this just might have been a 25 minute vessel
doesn't even matter at that point I'm not sure the laundry kill gave him not
got cauterized anymore a lot wait is cauterized a shard now yeah
rc y gets rough solos if they actually do this it's happening they stand it out
but matters not they don't want to fight that it's tough their lineup only really
thrives in team fights the one of spirit they don't have good skirmishing
power so killing huskar with like 2v1s or 3v1s or 3v2s I'm afraid but sonic wave
insta kills him you don't even need to go in the pit like you know that he's
gonna be low HP. It actually might have been worth the attempt. Yeah, you can try it if
you are convinced he's low enough. But you... Won't he always be? When you run the risk,
you have to hit him at the right timing during the armlet, right? Yeah. If he toggles and
then the Sonic hits, you're not even gonna know. At this stage though, you gotta do it.
Sure. I would agree. If Collapse was here, he would have stolen the Aegis, of course.
Yeah, that's true. Well, no. Backstab.
Yep, ult to Lerna, really nice run and goal.
Hp, Sonicwave comes in only onto fade, big ravage, and Ghost is dead right off the bat.
Yatoro follows Suthos with a 1 for 1.
Big Nama on the run, silence applied to the clock right now, should be fine though.
Batu getting back in the game with a triple kill.
He kills all three of these members of Gamer Legion.
Ruinberg with a stolen Sandstorm is going to just hide away and survive too.
Crucial ravage again, making sure Londra didn't get his ulti off.
If he's in true form there, this is a totally different situation. Huskar also arrives late to the party.
So another successful team movement, and I thought that was going to be good for Gamer Legion.
They got the backstab opener on to Luna, but Bet you in the right place at the right time.
They did not have Huskar, though, right?
Right. That was part of this, but even then, I thought that was actually, you're going to see the replay here.
So look at the angle that they managed to find in the back here with Sand King plus Grimstroke.
If there's a better soul buying connection here, maybe that's a different story, but the ravage is just super clean with the sonic wave
So spirit sure they lose their carry, but again in this situation you'll take any
Decent trade it's a matter of weathering the storm and kind of getting through the toughest part of the game if this were to go late
I mean, I'm not even
confident still for spirit just because it's a ghost loan drew it, but
definitely aren't a much much better position let's say 10 or 15 minutes from
here they've shown that they can kill ghosts at least twice now that's I mean
Huskar runs into support at this stage of the game they're just dead just how
it looks what do you think about consecrated reps on Huskar I mean
theoretically it should be good right I would think yeah you don't need magic
magic resist necessarily but the HP HP all attributes I thought you were just
asking if he actually does have it okay yeah interesting yeah I I'm not
convinced this is good enough value for money since like you said the the
magic this component of this just so weak on him and if the item has been
nerfed a couple of times I mean obviously obviously why it's a Huskar
specialist so I'm not I'm not gonna say it's a bad purchase I'm just looking at
What are the alternatives in a game like this?
Like, clearly his mindset is I need to be able to sustain against the burst that can come out early from Quap and Luna.
But there's obviously other ways of accomplishing that, like getting an early BKB or just getting eggs for a lot of stats.
I mean, the all damage barrier.
It is. It is very good, Legion.
Yeah. Just interesting. I'm not going to say this is like very extraordinary or unusual for Huskars to buy.
Maybe it's even meta, like I haven't seen that much Huskar as a player, but...
I think it makes sense.
It just stood out.
Like, Huskar never buys magic resist, so it was a little bit of a weird one, but...
I think it's kind of cool.
Although I don't like the item, as we've talked about.
Yeah, we both think Consecrator reps is kind of...
It's a stinker.
It's a real stinker.
I think Talbot done a very good job getting creative with items over the last years, but...
With how negative I am?
Did we talk about this?
I don't think there's a single item I haven't liked, hmmm, or that's saying something.
Because I complain about everything.
Yeah, this is the first one that I have genuinely just not liked the concept for.
Fade is about to run into...
Oh, they found Batrub with the Huskar, and he is dead.
Yes.
Want to get off? No.
Take, uh, take that.
I was trying to set up for a potential flank on the defense, but...
GameReligion saw him from the high ground, and Huskar will make quick work of him.
Fade, happy, wants the support, will get support.
Panto dead to rights again.
Double, excuse me, single TP rotation, that's just the laundry plus this bear.
Oh, actually Grimster did show, they were expecting this to be a bigger move, this is a little bit surprising, no?
Like considering Tide is already dead up top, do you really think Spirit are going to push this tower with their whole squad?
Probably not.
So maybe a little over rotation, perhaps you could have macroed that a little bit better.
Because what ends up happening now is Hust Cross ages expires and you didn't take a tier 2
Which I think given how this game was going it's a little bit of a mess
If they get this then maybe that'll be work
The silence is about to end and the damage is enough so Laurel
Trying to find some semblance of form on the outskirts of the map, just costing him so much
In the meantime, speed
Found in mid, but oh nice cumblers
Very nice
Even that fails for Spirit
I can't wait to see the soul vine into snake bite. Oh boy, that's gonna be hype.
I was thinking, Ink's well on the bear, it's just wild.
Absolutely crazy combo. We were talking about Bust to put on the bear yesterday, we didn't mention that, I think it has to be up there, right?
Make a tier list. Good free content.
A bear list if you will.
That's a pretty nice stretch.
Let's cost us cackling in the green room of course,
without... we can't hear him but I know him.
Probably cringing, to be honest.
That's a kids' kind of thing.
Alright, so here it is.
Huh.
They're gonna take the old Tormy.
Surprising actually.
This is the one thing that our lineup is good at right now,
is obviously 5v5s, so I guess kind of daring.
Oh man.
Uh, kill him.
It's a lot worse than it was.
And by a lot I mean a lot worse if they change anything other than the amount of charges
The cool down went up from 55 to 135. Oh
Almost tripled. I did not know that part
I think this is the biggest nerf I have ever seen on a spell from one patch to the other that is it's actually
Unreal how much worse this is it doesn't last longer. No. Oh, yeah, it lasts one minute longer. Excuse me
Okay, but like two charges cool downs ridiculously high. I
I'm trying to like really go through the years. I cannot think it's still good though
It is but we're actually reached a point now. It's not an auto buy right you saw tree and didn't buy it here
He's going for utility items instead. Yeah, and that is the primary reason this whoa, baby
The borough epi onto to soul by as well
That is a dirty combination from gamer Legion. Yeah
He faded them quite quickly. You know where that name comes from? Fade? With a Y? Yeah. Fable? Heroes of Newark.
Just a random guess because you know it and if it's a game reference that's very
few to pick from. Counter-Strike, Fable, or Han? That's pretty accurate. That's sad.
Hayes and Slay the Spire. So what is it in Han? Is it a spell or hero? It wasn't a
Dota hero. It was a very bursty hero.
So what did it do?
I don't really remember. I know that you buy Dagon and you just like instagit people, but I don't remember exactly what she did.
Okay, well it was many years ago. I remember buying Dagon on Spirit Breaker with two bracers many years ago as well and I don't think you do that, so...
No.
I mean, I can look it up for you, but we don't want to go down that road, of course.
Just ask ChatGPT.
I could actually, it would be pretty accurate.
So, Yatoro right now sitting on a mask of madness, Manta and Dragon Lance.
Standard builds, so DKB will be next, about halfway there.
Anya, Ghost.
The Ags, we've seen this, about 1500 away from that and then he can unleash his bear.
That's when the farm really starts to get out of control.
It is interesting.
What does he have on the bear? Is it just, it's diffusing on what else?
You don't know.
Okay, he did go for that anyway.
Which is what I was going to point out. This is quite different from what we saw from Nightfall yesterday in our games, obviously, where he went Malstrum or Mjolnir into straight aggs.
So like you said, the diffuser play as a pitstop here is going to delay the farming speed, but give more map presence.
It's a different take. I personally really am happy to see that it isn't literally every game Mjolnir into aggs, because I just think it's kind of boring, honestly.
Obviously Pro Player is going to play what works best and is best to win, but it's nice that it's not always the answer, at least according to Ghost here to go that route.
But, Agz is just mandatory. I can't imagine a Loan Drift build where you don't get Agz as your third item.
Okay, Ravage comes out, and they delete the Sand King. That's two ults down though. Do Game of Legends still want to fight?
They were definitely thinking about it, but decided against it. They'll continue to keep their position on the map, but that's a nice find for Spear. This could give them a tower as well.
Yeah, but you have to expect once that San King's back up that there's going to be a grouping for a game of Legion.
Yeah, I think you effectively lose Roche off of that play for Spear, but...
Gotta look at it from the perspective of you will probably... oh, hang on, Panto. You're probably going to lose it anyway.
Try to backstab here now, Ink's well not gonna connect her though.
Meanwhile, a long range light break onto the Luna.
I'll see why he's getting put back where he belongs though.
Now a soft reset.
He belongs in the mid lane, that's correct.
Fade.
He'll be back in 10 seconds.
This is where Spirit likely will retreat.
Yeah.
So what GamerLeading should do now is just put a lot of playgwards around the pit, take Roche,
and then think about their next move.
I think looking for kills here is maybe a little bit counterproductive.
Um, at least when sand can connect I would really like them to just brute force the pit
I don't really think spirit can fight this Huskar has BKB and three charges ready on consecrated wraps
You're not gonna burst him before he gets his stuff off
And that's what they're gonna do. So all right
It's been easy one. So what's the next item? It's hurricane pike for Huskar
So not opting for, I mean, his ag's not...
Like a go-to anymore?
It's like...
Assetating here.
Are they expecting Spirit to make a move here without Ravage?
He's back in now.
Yeah, Ravage up in 40, so...
Uh, Pyke is very good against Luna, right?
You want to be able to outrange and make sure that you can't get Leverage out of an orbit.
And...
It's also just a way for you to reliably feel more damage in fights.
but I think it's fine to go for the pike.
An alternative build route would be to think of it in the opposite way,
which is go blink eggs and just blast the Luna before she gets anything off.
You could also think of it that way.
I would have been okay with that build too, especially as a follow-up to Sand King.
I think it's very strong for Sand King when he doesn't have to epicenter
to find kills in the later portion of the game, when you can just blink stun.
And there's a big ol' gank onto the bearer!
He'll get it.
Maybe someone will immediately continue farming.
But yeah, Luna is a hero to hero match up against Loundry.
It's quite good when she gets items, because the Luna orbit is so much damage.
The bear can't really withstand it when Luna has many items and just gets to stand her ground.
I think that's Yatoro's primary mindset behind this pick, is he wants to steal the bear.
Because there wasn't anything else that Luna was obviously good against here, Batrude by the way will be
Killed off in the bot lane courtesy of epicenter plus two bears
I will say the lead is not really growing though. No, it's not a pretty good job
It's commendable, they're definitely still behind but they're not losing by an
Alarming amount, so this is definitely still a winnable game
But it is... it's going to be tough to win it, still.
But you're doing some of the right things.
You're playing around your cooldowns, you're playing around your big spells and heroes
that work, and you're avoiding the smaller engagements that are inherently just unfavorable
to you by draft, I don't know if you'll find.
Old sneaky Panto here, not sneaky enough though.
And another kill for fate.
Fade not going X. Even though he's having a very good game on the Sand King, he opted for the Blink Bloodstone and BKB.
So very tanky, frontline kind of approach, but less in the damage department.
Just trusting in Hustler and Lundred to do the job, and he's going Sheeva's next, so it looks like he doesn't want to buy it at all.
That's very odd.
I mean, we're used to seeing mid Sand Kings, they obviously have a different role and different responsibility in the game.
I think you could potentially make a case for actually buying pipe this game
Instead of what he did he has more of an individualistic build, but pipe is incredibly good for the team
Against the enemy heroes, but perhaps
Somebody else could just do that like Venom could buy pipe for example. He is offered
Okay
Are gonna thunk speed at the meantime the ator will kill him together with Rue so a trade-off
Which is still better for Spirit trading or excuse me for a gamer legion trading support for
Remember the last time I've seen a tie by nine times at this stage. Yeah, it's it's not great
That's it to some degree as another support will bite the dust
This might look honestly this might look like Spirit are like kind of feeding but
But ultimately, if you consider how the heroes are going to die, and the challenge here is
to die on the correct heroes, actually.
Sometimes I remember this, this was a very...
Oh they know, he does have a shield rune though, so you get tough profits in the end.
Silence, they do, but they can't reach the rune.
This was a very...
How to say...
Hang on for a second.
Are they actually going to go on our side?
Let's have Aegis try to burn it here. He's going to use his BKB in retreat as the anchor continues to follow him. Hurricane fight for some distance. Looks like he'll get away.
I want to say this was a line of thought that I would mostly attribute to Eternal Envy and Pylite Die at the time. It was many, many years ago at this point.
Um, where especially Envy would just push out side lanes relentlessly and die.
Uh, because it was the lesser evil.
Ghost wants to fight, despite losing the Veno right off the bat.
RC, why would the left break onto Laurel, pops the BKB?
He's rooted though, should be able to get out, links to safety.
Ghost, Bear, about to drop.
RC, why not? He's too scared in there.
The big initiation!
Triple!
Stun onto the burrow strike with the Epi to follow.
That's three dead for Spirit.
And Panto's gonna be the fourth.
So a great counter initiation from Fade, that's without axe.
Yeah, I was gonna say the exact same thing.
Which he is going for now.
So he won't be going to Sheeva's.
Yeah, maybe he was like, okay, my game is actually so good that maybe I should, you know,
look into potentially kind of carrying.
But yeah, what I was just complimenting Spirit for was trying to be very selective of fights
and only really believing smaller kills.
This is obviously a complete disaster.
I think to me this is if you look at this from like a bird so I view this play
doesn't really make that much sense right the enemy team still has Aegis and
you're forcing into a position 5 next to their tier 2 tower and your lineup
doesn't really kill heroes like this they they have big ults and good team
fight compositions but they don't have like some like imagine their mid hero
was Lena instead of Paul. And then you just kill this Venom and leave. But Qwap has to
use big spells because he doesn't really want to use to get that kill. And sure they can
get the Venom, but it's a decently tanky Venom. He's got a glimmer of solar. It takes a lot
of commitment. You're in very dangerous waters next to the enemy tier two and inherently at
a disadvantage fighting its aegis. So I just think that was probably Spirit's biggest mistake
for the entire game past the drafting phase,
where they of course made, in my eyes,
a pretty critical error in the first phase here.
This ghost is, uh, okay.
Yeah, that was off camera.
Ha ha ha.
Got a solo Laurel with the bear.
And now we're looking at a 20k lead for game religion.
Mid lane is theirs.
And they can do whatever the hell they want.
Let's see if Tide can die to the bear alone.
I actually think he can.
Oh, he didn't find him.
He ran the other way.
We'll find the Rubik.
Pretty disgusting combo with Faden.
Faden running around.
If you have the Inkswell target, you have a silence for after the burrow strike,
and they've been luring it pretty well.
That's a good pairing.
Alright, Batjuk.
Eyes on the tide.
Every time you say his name, I keep thinking you say Batshit.
Yep. Well, in this game, you could make an argument.
The Bay...
All the beer!
Alright.
And he even got the silver here.
Good. God.
Yeah, that's one of the tankiest heroes at Dota, by the way.
No, not today. 11 deaths.
Also, maybe not with these items.
He's not exactly very rich.
And bot lane is right for the taking.
Gonna have to buy back here, I think,
untied if you want to even think about this, but realistically.
Yeah, realistically, can you even take the fight anyway?
I kind of feel like you can just YOLO this, you know?
Kind of try it.
And then giving up a secondary lane
with an imminent roast plus format,
It's just like the tide buyback isn't really worth much. All right, they're gonna back off
I'm really surprised that they didn't just commit there
Because it's a very uncomfortable position for tide to buy back with like
20 seconds left and it's a relatively low commitment for Huskar plus the bear to do this because customers 5k HP and a BKB
So he's probably not dying
And the bear you have two of those so
But, maybe felt like they weren't in the right position with the other heroes to really press the issue, maybe a little bit of worries if you just don't want to screw up.
Oh, and the lens on Meno.
And now the BKB for the bear, so fully loaded, ready to go, ready to end.
Yeah, you say that.
Let's see if they are ready to end indeed. I think they won the last ages. Yeah, probably. I mean there's no reason not to exactly
It's a minute and a half away
Not too long of a wait
This almost has heart on a house car by the way this hero with the after they redesigned heart this item
Just got so much better on a scar. I love that item curious about what his region
It was in a dumpster for far too long syndrome. I like that part is better the fact that it makes house car better is unfortunately a
I mean, they named it after him as well, right?
What's the name of the impassive?
It's back.
Oh my God!
Tidehunter!
Okay, no longer.
Still has his buyback.
Well, there's no epicenter to work with, so maybe this is the time for Spirit to have
their last ditch effort before they just give up the second barracks and wait.
Nice try from Laurel for the barracks tonight, but the bear hits too fast.
And that would have been a big difference.
Yep.
You take what you can get when it's this grim.
Man, this is...
It's kind of funny that the way this game played out is in the fashion that I liked when I
looked at the draft and I saw the worries that I had for Spirit.
The way this game is played out is kind of in the direction I was imagining.
I just could not for the life of me have thought the bot lane would go this badly.
It's made things infinitely worse, but the potlain was this big of a travesty and um,
but it still goes to show why game religions idea in this game is so strong.
Because if you, let's say you look at this in like a, let's say you break it down into
different boxes of types of games that can happen.
There's the games where the lanes go very well, then this is the outcome that you're generally
going to have.
games where bottom lane is kind of a draw or you win slightly, then you have a smaller version of
this but probably not one where Spirit ever gets ahead. So what type of games to Spirit actually
are they favored in of this kind? I think Laurel has to totally overperform in mid and snowball
the game as like such a small percentage of games because first of all he's playing an unfavorable
matchup and second of all that's generally not how Laurel wins. He's not a lane-dominator player
So, there's like an added element of just lower probability with that guy versus other mids that are more lane-heavy.
So, it's just a very nice-
Okay, Ghost takes out Panto. Instant buyback. This is the last fight. Spirit has to do something here.
The only option is R.C.Y. He's 5,000 health in a fight.
Yep, yep.
And a glimmer and a solo right behind him.
Grimsturf doesn't have Shard.
That babe, epicenter, he's gonna go in, there's a huge ravage to follow with the Eclipse as well into a sonic wave.
The one Volkama that Spirit was looking for, they delete too, but that's instant buybacks now for Gamer Legion.
RC, why would the DKB lose the getaway?
They're not gonna focus onto Yatoro, the Soulbind on two, into the burrow strike as well, and that should do it.
At least that will give the Roche for Gamer Legion.
Several buybacks for both sides.
Yeah, this Aegis is definitely going the way of Gamer Legion now.
They even have the axe illusion on Grimstroke of Luna in this fight, so it makes matters
worse.
Now, Yatorov has gone for a build that makes the illusion weaker by having Hydra's breath
and Satanic, but-
Oh, oh, oh!
Can you pick-
That was too much!
He had a fucking mushroom!
Why would he- why did you have a mushroom in your inventory?
Mushrooms!
Oh, no!
He picked up a banner, I guess.
That's the worst.
Oh
No, he picked up a banner. I guess that's the worst of the bunch
Let this be a lesson to everyone out there eat your mushrooms collapse needs to have some sort of like an
Orientation for the rest of his team
Ages PowerPoint presentation answers just sitting there. This is how you click ages. Yes
Yeah, they actually had quite a bit of time. Yeah, it's just now. It's just panicked
I'm like, oh, I have much room.
This will be Megas now.
Gitaro's up in 20, does have buyback. They're gonna try for one more fight, I guess.
Onc's back up naturally.
That Rocheban are gonna be put to zero use for the Spirit side.
Now the tier fours. 32k lead for Gamer Legion.
Sitting pretty in this game number one. Yeah, this one is
Surely done, undusted by now. Okay. Well, poke and prod there onto the tide, not going to commit.
Just never give up. Never surrender, Yatoro, standing his ground with the dragon's breath.
But RCY just hitting towers instead of him. Or Hydra's breath. I said dragon, that's a similar thing.
Close enough. At the center, Verlstreich will miss, favor the DKB.
Nice, Sonic Wave onto 2, Yatoro continue to right click the phase, just lights up so much, and now the light break onto Laurel will blink into the Grimstroke.
Sonic Wave again, only onto RCY, and that is gonna be the death of Laurel. No way to get back in the game, meanwhile Ghost and his bear...
Just going ham on these buildings, and now the Ancient fully exposed. 5 vs 4, still with Aegis...
That Tidehunter, are you gonna have one more death for the road?
Lucky number 13 right now, gets the Ravage off right outside their fountain.
There's the Eclipse doing good amount of damage, it's gonna cost them the Aegis,
but now the right clicks from RCY will come through, Yatoro dead.
And finally the GGs come out.
The Fatsoof will not die at 14th time.
Give me 13 times.
That's about it though.
The Gamer Legion, take game one in convincing fashion.
This is a unicorn game where Tide has the most deaths in the game.
Yeah.
By five.
The second highest deaths in the game was Rubin with eight.
Yeah.
Nice game from Gamer Legion, though.
What I wanted to see, what I liked in their draft, I feel like they executed.
I think they overperformed in the bottom lane.
My expectations, at least.
Maybe I'm just a little bit outdated with how that lane's supposed to go.
We don't look at the kills, but this one ends 42 to 16, Richard.
It does.
And it was exactly like Cinder and called it because Cinder and is a genius.
He said he was worried because this is a game that could get out of hand very quickly.
And my did it right from the get go.
I mean, we're actually too far ahead in the highlight.
Yeah, this is.
There was like six deaths.
You could see at the end that Speed was just laughing.
Like he was just looking at his team like, what?
And he was happy to ruin them in the bottom lane.
This is the combo that we talked about the other day
that we were kind of surprised.
They didn't manage to win the lane with Venomancer plus Lone Druid
because on paper it sounds nasty.
And I think this is the real showcase of this lane.
All you have to do is get the initial slow
and everything from there is just going to be a disaster.
You literally cannot play this lane.
Yeah, I mean, you get an extra hero in the lane, effectively, with the bear.
It's a tri-lane.
And you have two spells on Venom on level one.
The teamfights were beautifully executed from gamer Legion in this one.
Like, Fade, I know I said he plays a lot of these, like, summons heroes in the off lane.
He's not much of a blink-initiator type.
He's only gold here with Sand King, right?
That's not that much compared to a lot of other Sand King players.
But he played beautifully, right?
Like he just he this seems to be a really good tournament for him. I mean the premier series
I think he also was having very good performances like fade has just
Improved a lot as a player recently where it feels like he can play anything. There's like
Four three-man borough strikes. Yeah with epicenter. They was hitting in these fights. It's beautifully played
I mean, it's gonna be said as well. We talked a lot about RC y getting that last
to us go up to barely matter. Yeah, actually barely mad. I'm not only that. I mean, you
know, he sort of didn't necessarily play the lane optimally. And yet it was the lone druid
that was just out of control. Yeah, I mean, maybe you see like your lane, your side lanes
doing so well that you're like, you got to click what's happening in the other lanes.
You're like, oh, like six and zero in four minutes. There you miss couple of CS, you're
ruin your own lane. But other than that, I think he had a very good game on RCY. Like
the atomization, I think the hard pickup is really good. It's really synergizing well
with Huskar, especially with the recent changes as well. And I also think that there's a lot
on Laurel's shoulders this game. Like he needs to be able to pop off because you're...
No, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Didn't finish because you have a tight hunter who is getting
ruined, like Rubik position four, who's playing from behind.
He's not having a good time by any means.
Luna, not a hero that like gets involved early on.
You'll see like patients and eclipse, but you're playing
into house car.
So I'm just wondering like who's going to be that guy
that's going to be making play.
Laurel, he always gets put in this position.
Like this is the funniest thing that team spirit does is
Like sometimes they draft him games where it's so bad for him, but he needs to be the guy that they're making plays through and sometimes he still does it.
Against a real Huskar player, like RCY, he did mess up the first block and something that Quinn talks about a lot.
There's, he has a great laning video where he talks about this where like Huskar versus Queen of Pain, which is the example he literally uses.
If you can get the first block so that it's on your hill, it's GG, Queen of Pain, like literally it's, that's it.
And so, you know, clearly Laurel knew this and RCY, like Mystic Reap, it went forward.
So the lane was a little bit more even, still RCY won.
So it could have been worse, but the thing with good Hosskar players,
like people who actually play this hero a lot, they know what to do when that happens.
They know what to do in a game where it's like more even,
they know what to do when the enemy supports are coming mid,
they play for like a later timing, agonimceptor, they go for eternal shrug,
glimmer cape sometimes, stuff like that.
that like they know the itemization. It is so scary playing against real Huskar players.
You have to ban it. But first, you have to ban the loner.
Well, let's let's look at why. I think at a minute 20. This is it. It's over. It's actually
GG minute and 20 seconds. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's a I mean, not even not even using Gale.
literally just a blood grenade and a rundown. I mean it's another example of like where the
creep wave is, how much that matters against Venomancer plus Lundrude. Like even with Alayne
as strong as Rubik Tidehunter, if it's pushed towards the enemy tower, they have so much
distance to run you down, get multiple entangles off, multiple hits from Venomancer, it's like.
I mean Rubik, I think TP'd out after that as well and was immediately brought down to Harfeld.
then I think they got another double kill in the lane.
If he had an opportunity to TP to the second game at that point,
he would have gone and meet us.
It's so funny because we've all been in these scenarios
where you get so destroyed in lane
that it just spills over to all the other lanes and it's GG.
Well, this is what Lone Druid had at 10 minutes,
just to show you as well.
Yeah, it's a lot.
It's a lot what he has. It's treads, it's orb of corrosion, like, uh, cause he got the, and the fuselblade,
10 minutes, pretty much, he got it like 945.
100% kill participation, cause they all have to go on his lane.
They didn't even go anywhere, he was just sitting in the lane, the kills are keeping to his lane, so he can kill them more.
But, uh, also the fact that they understand some of their timings are like, yeah, be ruined, bottom lane completely,
with this freshly picked up the fuselblade, as soon as they get it, they're gonna be smoking up and moving towards the mid lane.
Even though they could have killed Tidehunter one more time, they decided to go for a different kill,
understanding that again, this is the playmaker and let's kill him one time and ruin him even more.
Last thought before break thinking. Just ban the launcher, don't let it through, it's ghost, come on.
Alright then guys, so can we lead you up in this one? Ghost is haunting team spirit,
we'll see if that changes after the break.
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We have Fade here.
Hello, Fade. How are you doing?
I'm doing well, a little bit tired, but excited to be here.
Would you say that you're fated?
A little bit.
Hell yeah.
Thanks.
Great, welcome to our interview, my friend.
I want to talk to you a little bit about your incredible performance at the last event.
Well done.
You guys beat some expectations, did very well.
I believe fourth place finished.
I think that's a good performance.
How did you think about it?
I think we were playing pretty well. I think the teams had some stand-ins, like the top teams,
like some spirit that we beat, but I think it was a pretty good result. I think it's good that
even if it's not like a tier one event, you still are able to beat like the tier two teams
consistently. I think it's also very important. Now, I've read an interview recently that Speed said,
he believes Gamer Legion is one of the teams that is trying the hardest in the entirety of Dota,
just a team that is really putting the grind on to get better.
Do you believe that this is a true statement?
I see what he's coming from for sure.
I think, especially with addition of our coach, Mungusu,
he does a lot of small try hard things.
For example, he tracks like sleep a lot.
He makes sure everyone is asleep and then like just the small things
in terms of discipline that kind of added already
because we were always pretty passionate as players,
but sometimes you still need to do it appropriately, right?
Can't be like, gotta work like smart also,
not just like hard, so.
I do think we're actually putting a lot of work,
so I think it's probably a fair statement.
You guys just take games off of
just the strongest, craziest teams.
There's no other team I know of
that you'll see in like group stage,
they lose to no one except for one game to game or legion.
Why is that, like Tundra, ParaVision, consistently you guys can get in the heads of really good teams?
Yeah, I mean, I think we have probably some unique ideas, unique hero pulls.
You know, Speed likes to play some kind of weird hero sometimes.
Like his random answers, I play like, for example, like played in the Berman Cam a lot of Indigma.
I don't think anyone else played that hero.
I think we like to play with some tempos, so some teams like, for example, Tundra play against us, they pick very greedy lineups.
And honestly, we could have probably won both of those games when we played them against Crypt stage.
But yeah, I think we post some unique challenges, but we just need to find more finesse consistency to be able to pull it off consistently.
Do you feel like your team environment is good?
Like you guys have a fun time together?
Do you hang out and talk outside of games a lot?
Yeah, for sure.
I mean, you know, as it's ups and downs, obviously,
Dota is a very emotional, stressful game.
So you can't always be like super 100% happy happy.
But I think it's important as well as a team
that you learn to deal with the bad stuff.
That's also very important to kind of keep, like,
know how to bounce back.
know how to not let all these emotions get to you.
So I think we're getting a lot better at that.
And I think we do have a lot of fun together.
And this team, this is part of the reason
we enjoy playing each other.
And we've been pretty much the same roster for a while now.
I do have to bring up.
You do have a new member here.
So tell me a little bit about that.
Where did Ghost come from?
How did you guys decide to add him?
So I mean we were trying Shad, we played with Shad in Birmingham and I think Shad did a
honestly a very good job but I think Mangusu was impressed by Ghost played with the Colts
and you know he kind of decided to bring him in and we trust him even though we like playing with
Shad Ghost came in I think he's also doing a really good job and he is a pretty experienced player.
I think he made our team stronger for sure and he's I think he's doing a really good job.
Tell me right here, how are you feeling at this one?
What is the goal?
Where are you gonna place?
I feel good.
I think, you know, I think we have a good,
I really hope we make the playoffs this time.
I think it's about time for us.
Yeah.
I feel good.
I think we just need to, you know, be strong.
Even if things don't work out, like, you know,
if we don't win or we don't win the first two games serious,
I think we just need to understand that
just believe in ourselves and believe in the work we put in and I think things
will work out for us. All right. I can say as one of the last North American fans,
I believe in you guys as well. And I know you guys at home also believe in the
rising of the Gamer Legion. So thank you so much for your time. You're gonna see
them. Keep cheering for these boys in the chat as we see more of them at PGO
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Allegiant are ahead in the
series on big nums birthday.
Yeah, that would be the
biggest present that they could
get as a team and for them.
They also did allow him to play
Like keeping in after losing four heroes then getting a double kill as well
Laundry with problem gone. I think team spirit is gonna have like their chances of winning these this game
Skyrocketed by 20% absolutely to the moon. It's always one team that makes that mistake against ghost every every block yet seems
I mean I said before the series started like there's no way you're gonna give
Laundry to this guy and the first thing they do
you. Here's something. Yeah. Outlast. Yeah, that is true. Unless it's here. I think, well,
there are answers that people have tried. I mean, we saw that before in the game yesterday,
right? So, you know, it's not an instant win. However, Timbersaw, which teams have been
trying as an answer is not an answer. It is not an answer to anything. It is not a hero.
If a mar can't win with it and whisper can't win with it, it is not a hero. So I don't
want to see that one coming out.
But that might be what they're talking about here. Uh, dummy, why don't you, uh, talk us
through alchemist a little bit?
I think this hero also, because everybody like there are certain heroes in meta where
You like it's the strongest hero like you don't want to be banning out this year
100% of the time in scrims as well
You want to let it go through see how strong he actually is you want to be the one playing it you want an enemy team to
Also play it to check out is it possible to beat it because having one extra ban
Potentially something else that you could remove some respect band something like a special to hero that they do play for example
Like a laundry london's better right now
Maybe that's not the best example, but if someone's like, you know, like a really good meepo player, for example
Maybe that's something worth panning because if you can be the certain hero
That also gives you a lot of confidence coming in and we saw the win rate of the hero
It's not that great like even starting day one. He was confessed 100% of the time. He started with the zero and two
So I think overall it's a strong hero, but we also seen teams lose for example
I think Yandex is a very good example of them like playing with Alchemist, but also it doesn't really fit the play style of their carry
Yes, because he likes to be the top of the net for he likes to have like six items and you're playing Alchemist
It's a bit of a different game. Everybody's equally farmed. They're all getting agonim scepter, but you don't feel as strong
That's the thing that surprises me because when when the changes came in
I thought it was being nudged into the direction of support
You know the whole you know buying the act this is always what happened
It's always happens in Dota where a hero is getting nudged to support and I agree
But then people are like this would be a great hero to play core because of these changes like the core players always seem to take
advantage of the support changes and
Then it gets nerfed and then it's just not a support
You know I like this response to Sardar a lot, you know
You know heavy physical damage lineup is going to come out
So you pick Muerta a hero who just doesn't take physical damage and you can see that how effective slaughter has been
The the most successful with 10 plus matches. Honestly. Yeah, the craziest hero like I feel like he's kind of sliding under the right
Slytherin under the radar if you will with nice a lot of the really overpowered heroes
Because some of these heroes they get through like Phoenix has like a 60% win rate, you know
It's like some of these really good heroes or 60%
72% win rate. That's insane.
I mean, what's great about him is he's a 72% win rate, but also a flex.
Yeah. Yeah. And he's also damaged amplification for the carry.
carries love to have this guy on the team.
Like you're never going to be lacking damage.
Like having minus 20 armor, 25, 30 minutes into the game just makes your game so much easier.
Having a stun, having someone that can kill Roshan, kill Tormentor as well.
One thing he doesn't take is towers, but he's a tanky front line that also most of the carries like to have in front
We were talking about pairing him with windrunner with team liquids. Yeah
Pretty strong. It is strong probably not in this one because there is more that this is the flex that team spirit will use for now
They have overall last picks
I assume that they're gonna be using this flex up until their last pick overall
Seeing that it can be played as a position for rule us to run it
and also Yattaro, if the game allows him, if they don't have enough spell damage,
he's definitely going to be banging it out.
Back to you, Jenkins.
Yeah, just there's a lot of layers to what could happen here,
because Muerta is first picked and it's into Sardar.
I feel like you kind of have to answer the Muerta,
even if it is going to be potentially a four position.
And if you look at a lot of the heroes that are answers,
if you want to win the carry-to-carry matchup, it gets weird,
because you want a physical damage hero with Sardar, but against Muerta, you don't want that.
If you look at a lot of ghost heroes, a lot of them are hard countered by Muerta, like he can't
Necro. Viper is whatever, you know, he can't Muerta himself. So, you know, taking this here, it does
put Gamer Legion in a little bit of a weird position, and like you mentioned Lacoste, the fact
that they can always just swap the position of Muerta, less likely with Hoodwing being picked,
But who do we can still be ran as a five?
Yeah, Impanto plays it.
That's one of the things that Team Spirit does have.
Like, you won't see many teams play this hero from position five.
It has been, like, exclusively played by Save, Crit, from position four.
And they are going to be picking up Rubik.
Rubik, in the previous game, didn't look too good
because he just got ran over in the lane.
You didn't really feel the impact of the hero.
But overall, one of the stronger, if not the strongest position four
at the moment might be the most contested at least he was in like top five top six yesterday good
Did they just go back for Venomance sir? I feel like if it ain't broke don't fix it you know speed was
the original Venom guy dominated the lane it's like fine against Morita too you've got lots of magic
damage you can maybe kill her through her ult she doesn't have the bkb I will say this it does feel
like Gamelige and actually, you know, prioritized picking up this Venom where it's possible?
For a good reason. Like this is a very strong laner, like level one, level two heroes insanely
strong. It scales well. It's a type of a position five that wants to go in and trade, potentially die,
come back full HP if necessary. In the previous game it didn't happen because they just random
overcompletely, but another good scaling five. It's also something that people don't talk about
when never we mentioned Venno is vision game. Like this hero can easily take farm on the other side of the map
but and just one snake on the ground can break any kind of a gank. It provides vision unless you're gonna be using smoke.
So very important and also a good amount of like tower chip damage, canceling the blink daggers as well.
This is just very annoying to play against.
Do you think
Morphling is pickable on this patch with us because
This is the number one answer to where to I'm not sure how it interacts now that the
Ghost form is tied to her ulti like can you turn into her and still hit the more stuff?
Because this is this is one of the best matchups in the game. It was one of the best matchups in the game against
Marta and it's ghosts most played hero. I
Think the hero is pickable
I mean another potential heroes is maybe Medusa for Ghost. I'm not sure how that
fares into the Murata matchup. Maybe both carries are just kind of fine. They
like ignore each other a little bit. But yeah we got to address the Froggy.
This yell I think that's the main reason we're moving. Fade Bolt removing
corrosive Haze. Anything from Venno is gonna feel nice. Having low cooldown to
spell and this also means that Muerta is going to be a core in this one and it
also means that Largo is going to be the offlane so they they didn't want to keep
the flex up until the end. Which means you surely have to pick something that
is good in the matchup against Muerta. Yeah. Because currently it's it's just
Venno. I'm thinking about potentially Queen of Pain for Gamer Legion. This is
the hero that just screams to me. It has like pretty much everything. For now, it's going
to be tiny, so that's a carry tiny. But I think Queen of Pain is going to get heavily
contested. They have the pick out of the phase. I think it would be good for kind of both
of the teams because it's a hero that they have no control on side of Team Spirit. You
have like a dead shot, silence. These are not really the spells that Queen of Pain is afraid
of and you're not too afraid about the tusk rotations you can always jump over. Let's say you pump
in the damage on Morta, even the Sonic Wave pushback just removes quite a lot of her damage
during her ulti, BKB timing as well. So I feel like these heroes paired up with Venomancer that have
built in damage over time feels nice. Sure there's a dispel mechanic but this guy can just
constantly dispel everything. So this is the classic like if they didn't pick Queen of Pain
It's because they think there's three plus options, but there wasn't for Kerry
Which I would assume like you're totally right about co-op. It looks really good
So I would assume spirits gonna ban it most likely
What are the other what are the other answers like game religions even you know protecting a potential Queen of Pain picked with Huskar
Yes, that also protects storm
potentially puck is
decent as well
Now on the flip side if you know one of these types of heroes are probably coming out like ember storm
puck then what can what can Laurel pick that is like destroying all of those
heroes I mean there's void spirit still in if the if the puck comes out okay so
they ban the storm out themselves and they're still thinking this lawyer is
gonna be maybe played from the mid lane let's see if they respect the co-op
that we were talking about because I mean that's what's cool about game
allegiance draft here you obviously still can move some of the pieces around
with this last pick. Yeah hypothetically for sure. I mean if they're banning out the
offlaners, a hero that caused them a lot of issues in the previous one, it's
sanking. This is something Muerta doesn't, it's a pure like magic damage coming out
from the hero. Yeah that's not bad. I'm also gonna mention Doom as well. I think
this hero is still very pickable. It's one of the counters as well but they're
We're going to respect the Night Stalker.
Wow.
Oh, the RC Wightling down on...
That's a lot of physical damage against Muerta.
Slaardar, Tiny.
Tiny is a bit of a mix.
He has Avalanche plus Toss, a good amount of magic damage coming from both of the supports.
But yeah, the synergy is there.
The right clicks are going to hurt, and they feel like this Muerta, but actually can be
controlled.
They don't necessarily need to die.
You have Tusk, you have Morta, damage is there, Largo is really not pumping in the damage,
so I want to see what Largo is going to be picking in this one.
I mean Queen of Pain, so this means that Slaughter is in the mid lane, Queen of Pain looks good.
I think you really like to talk about that matchup Jenkins.
Yeah, that's the one when all these melee heroes were getting picked, mid, you know,
the Slaughter, the Earthshakers, like Queen of Pain was the one hero that would shed on
all of them.
also a potential for like a keeper of the light. Laurel has been playing a lot of that.
I feel like you can super punish slaughter in a side lane and tiny in a side lane. It's
a vessel buyer. Like it's just a question of does he want to destroy the lane or does
he want to destroy the side lanes? And they go for neither. They go for destroying the
team fights. I mean, the combo of the frog plus the scorpion is insane. The magic damage
that you're getting on top of the epicenter with the buff coming from the frog is really
crazy. And hypothetically, giving that same buff to Muerta, she's doing all magic damage
too, right? That could be really good. That could be pretty good. I guess they wanted to
have another way of actually starting the fight because they didn't have anything. Largo doesn't
actually give you that, two supports. They're okay at the early stages of the game, but you need
the way to actually start a fight post 15 minutes and you didn't have anything. So I assume that's
why they decided to go for Sanking the Blink stun initiator, another body for Yatro so that he can
deal the damage. I would say Gamer Legion, I wouldn't expect the team to pick so much physical
So, after seeing Muerta being first picked, this is the first back hero for Team Spirit,
they still went with a lot of physical, but it seems like they're thinking we can deal
with Muerta slightly later, deal with the rest, and then maybe come in.
I would love if they had slightly more magic damage output coming out from the other cores,
but we'll see if it works out for them.
Yeah, it would definitely make it a lot easier for them to execute and kill Muerta, because
Right now, it feels like Yatoro has a pretty free game, you know?
Like, he just has to be in position where he's not getting, like, chain stunned.
And he can press his ult.
And I feel like Yatoro, of all players, it's very rare to see him, like,
blunder and have some positioning mistake.
Maybe if this is, like, a less consistent carry, I would say you can, like,
bank on him making a mistake, being out of position, but not Yatoro.
Like, it's not, it's not really going to happen.
No, I think this is a very good Muerta game, especially with
the sanking pickup and then mentioned the combo that they have.
But I also want to see if Largito is still good enough in this batch and not
sure about absolutely obliterated.
Yes.
Right, rightly so, rightly so.
Had to, had to.
It was, it was, it was deserved.
But I think it's still good.
I think if you have a player who's been playing it a lot and wants to play it,
it's, it's good.
The timings are a little weird and I'm curious.
There's a lot of questions we'll have, we'll have answered here.
So let's, let's see.
I'm all eyes for me on this sinking this time around. Again, Laurel, he needs to do some
magical stuff like he was supposed to do in the previous game. Hard matchup for him this
time around. It's going to be slightly easier. So Laurel, step it up.
All right then, Sun's Fun and Tindren, tell us the fable of the Frog and the Scorpion.
together, so I guess they got married and created some abomination?
Hmm.
How's that sound?
Probably not safe for children though, the way that they mated.
Yes.
I don't know where to go with that.
At all.
There's nowhere to go.
Do you think Largo seduced the Scorpion with his guitar?
Obviously.
You know there's like, you've seen these documentaries with birds that do these like crazy dances
as like a mating ritual, right?
Mm-hmm.
How about Largo doing that?
What do you think?
No, that sounds hot.
I mean, if you had the correct voice where it sounded like a frog.
You just said it's so nonchalant.
That was the most obvious thing ever.
Yeah, why not?
That sounds hot.
I mean, Largo is a very sexy beast.
What can you say?
Yeah, well, all right.
All right, so into game two we go.
Gamer Legion, absolutely dominated Team Spirit.
No lone druid this time for Ghost though.
Looking at this lineup, I think for me, and you can correct me, as I'm sure you will.
The thing that feels oddball to me is the Slardar pick.
Wait, they got four bounties?
Okay, well that's a good start.
And Ghost is gonna die for it.
Okay, well...
So first blood goes to Batyuk.
Much better start this time around on the Frogman.
So what's weird about Slardar?
I feel like they need a pipe carrier more than anything.
My goodness, it's like Spirit is all magic.
I guess you can try to force it on a support it just I understand that the corrosive hay is gonna be really good for
Kez and maybe that does work out, but who's buying pipe? I feel like it's mandatory
It's either pipe or three cores with BKBs right you need either or and I'm I'm kind of on board with
I wouldn't brute force a pipe on slaughter. I think it's just not no if that's not gonna work and neither support
I'm expecting to get rich enough to
to pull it off either. So I think you're just going to have to deal with, okay, the enemy team has a lot of magic damage, can we buy BKBs and mitigate it.
And of course, also a lot of Spirit's magic damage is not inherently insta-burst, so items like Satanic can counteract it quite well later.
And you are running two heroes here that can go that route, since you're playing Carrie Tiny and the Mid-Kaz.
I think to me, that's a little bit of a weird combo, opting to run a mid-Kaz when you see them Huerta.
The upside is, even though Huerta is very good against physical damage, this is one of the few heroes that can actually kill her in a stun.
So later when Slaugr has Shard, if you blink Crush and then Kaz gets to jump her, she might actually get 100 to 0.
The only save is Snowball, which is still a very good one, but you need to be ready.
There's Lick.
Lick is a great save.
It's better against some heroes than others.
I would put Kez at the bottom of the list.
It takes off Hayes.
That's true.
You can reapply it, but that's fair, you know?
The dispel is a quite meaningful part.
You know what, I take it back.
You said something smart today.
Thank you.
I was going to say keep it up, but I know that's naive, but it was...
No.
We were... I was here.
Yeah, I think that is the hero though, the Slaughterer is what I'm most interested in seeing how he does.
Because I feel like the games that we have cast in the last year has been almost no good Slaughterer games, unless it's mid.
Like the Offlane Slaughterer just feels a little weird. Do you think it's changed at all with this last patch or...?
Uh, I think it's slightly better in the Offlane than it was before.
Not really because of the changes to Slaughterer, but because of the changes to everybody else.
And the change to the lane itself. Like, Slaughterer is one of the heroes that...
really doesn't like if the lane, I would say on average compared to a lot of other off-laners,
he's not a fan of the whole wave pulling shenanigans, you want to play the lane just head-on since
you don't jungle very well, and you don't play well from behind. And generally speaking
when the off-laner is pulling, it's because he's losing the lane by default, and then
you're ending up, if the carry player and the five play correctly generally, you are,
Even if you get successful pulls off, you're still going to be 60, 40 or worse.
So the fact that he can just play the lane immediately in front of him here is already good news.
This is something Moirte is a very good laner, but Slaughter has quite a bit of staying power in fights against Tusk.
So this particular matchup is actually quite playable, since Tusk has to be careful with going in,
you just get crushed and you get bashed, and Rubik has damage and lift and whatnot.
So you can even see fate actually walking into Panto here just looking for trouble. Maybe a bit too much
Raw 1k lead though for a gamer legion for bounties and some early CS will do it
Not bad mostly bounties at this stage
And what about frogman things have changed a bit with him
Yeah, you're very very disgusted with his previous state as he's gonna put the frogs thomp down onto
Ghost trying to get some revenge from that last landing stage which was probably the worst of his life for Batyuk.
Yep.
I mean, Largo's in a better place because the previous version, I hope Largo becomes more of a support or flex.
Like, when the hero came out, I thought he was going to be the only one.
Which I thought was quite...
Largo!
That is not...
Deleted!
Fade!
They're going to kill both of them.
Owning it up with Bignum.
There's the telekinesis.
If you want another crush, another bash incoming, and down goes the tusk, so really nice.
Alright, I talked about this lane being the most interesting to look at, and I was not expecting kills this early, but they come out big time in GAMER LEGEN's favor.
Frogs, I'm off to speed right now. Good avalanche to give a little bit of extra time for speed to get away.
But yeah, to finish up on the whole Largo thing, I thought when the hero was announced that it was designed to be almost only a support, I don't...
I think we've talked about this and you agree with it. Not every hero needs to be flexed.
Like, it's okay that there's heroes that only have one role, or one specialty at least.
Unfortunately, Largo's axe was so broken that we barely got him to see him play as a support, and they had to nerf that.
And now the issue is we barely get to see the hero at all because he's not quite good enough to be a support
And the core aspect of him got nerfed very deservedly so down to a more acceptable level
So I hope we get to see more Largo in the support role probably gonna need some buffs for that to happen
Yeah, you just need to turn the lick into basically hook range and then he supports that would be kind of crazy
That's one way to do it give him a 600 range pull. Yep
Uh, yep.
Easy peasy.
That's when you were designing another game.
Got Dota.
Thank you, Simran.
You're very welcome.
And I'd be very good at balancing Dota, actually.
I think you and I, maybe we should take over, you know?
Val, you have my email.
Six minute power run.
Say the word, we'll do it.
Top.
I was about to say for free, but no.
No.
But we will do it.
Definitely not for free.
They don't believe though. Oh, what the? That's the same tick?
I don't see that all too often. I've seen it a few times.
I think the message always pops up if a projectile is mid-air. I don't think it has to be tick.
Same tick. Like if Rubeck has a shot flying and you take the rune, doesn't it always say deny?
I'm going to say no. That's not the case.
Well, you're not the one balancing this game, so you wouldn't know that.
Veno, looking for the backstab but Duke is definitely dead, the question is who is going to get the kill out of the three of them, he can't play any songs yet so he can't really get away.
He's gonna do a little licking, but it will go to speed.
Yeah, this is obviously on paper a really shit lane matchup for Veno.
Speed is doing the right thing here by not skilling Gale, because you can't really use it, so you're just going to be maxing Plague Ward's and then you're taking the other ability to, you know,
not skill stats, but largely as a Venom specialist I'm imagining this is the type of lane where
Speed will do what Tiny needs and then he's going to jungle to make sure he progresses his own game.
You can kind of get stuck just playing this lane for way too long and not really accomplish much.
He is going to scale Gale now on level 4, which I think is completely fine.
So Max works.
Yeah, I mean you kind of do that usually anyway, but you see what he's doing now, he is going into the jungle at level 4.
level 4, because he can't pressure the lane opponents, and as long as Tiny can farm, yeah
this is some serious damage, it'll be okay though, courtesy of Big Num.
But what's happening here is actually really interesting with how Gamer Legion are choosing
to allocate their resources, because they just killed Moirita and Tusk Bottom, and you
could argue that they should just keep trying to run them over.
The issue is, if you keep Rubik down here, then your Tiny is probably going to not be
all that happy up top and Venno is also not going to be happy because he doesn't get to jungle.
So you kind of have to say, okay, we won bottom, Fade can use that to trade and just farm,
and we're going to let Yatoro get his stuff too. In return, we're getting the most farmed 5 on the
map by far. Tiny will farm because Rupi helps him, and mid lane is just stable. We didn't even talk
about that lane yet, but Kes versus Sanking looks very even in terms of the CS, but RCY has almost
twenty more denies
about five hundred net worth between the two yeah a lot of it a lot of the CS
on sinking is just jungle right and there's the bounty rooms so that's
that's what leads to this but sinking is never really gonna lose he's just gonna
more or less draw here
i'm
i didn't i wasn't sure what to expect here
i think mostly sinking in melly versus melly matchups will win but against
kez seems like
net worth slightly kez is a special flower as we've learned over the course of
last year. Oh, nice find. Very quick though on the grappling claw, RCY is actually going to
escape this gank, dodging the shards too. See you over there. Beautiful play. Very, very snappy
with the grappling claw against the hoodwink Bushwack, who's not going to connect on in there.
Do you know what happens if you throw out grappling claw and you get bushwacked mid-air?
Do you still go to the tree or is it actually stalking you? I don't know, I don't balance this
game so I don't test that's right and even if you did you wouldn't know so that's probably true
I'm pretty sure you it's a very niche interact pretty sure it pulls you back
the reason I say it is that you have something like a timber chain that has some really funky
interactions that one always overrides everything almost what's the almost hook well it was also
changed at one point right at one point it over I think at one point it overruled everything
And then it hurled nothing almost, and then...
I mean, there's very few things at this point that if you get stunned mid-temperature and you stop...
And Skewer got that treatment at one point. It was Skewer that overruled everything.
I mean, I just missed the days of life-break being global, ETP out, just having Fusgar go to fountain.
Like, who doesn't want to see that, honestly?
That's right. Maybe Loda.
Not a fan of fountain plays.
Hehehehehehe
These are the good old days. RCY climb Panto. Good shard.
He's not gonna help too much. RCY is not gonna go any further though as Yatoro will show himself
Who makes his way over as well. Bade, level 8 on this Slardar
He's very strong
And he is opting. What is he going to go for?
as treads I assume just playing BKB I don't think there's any reason to get
fancy here I think the soul ring is gonna allow you to farm you're gonna go
blink shard BKB and play around kez and of course tiny both of them just
obliterate heroes that are hazed so yeah I think it's very standard and I do like
that he went for the soul ring this is not like special but sometimes you can
bypass this and just look more aggressively for something like treads
echo saber I just don't think that's the right approach even if you're winning
lane here I think it's better to just play on smoke and they want to take out
Yatoro, Kuro some Hayes on him, he's gonna go under the tier one, gonna get
met by RCY and company though, that has a lot of damage already. Snowball a little
bit late gonna be onto the south side though, Pierce the build pop, he's gonna get galed in the
meantime, Raptor dance, try to heal up a bit, it's not gonna do anything because of
the ethereal form of Huerta, they find Yatoro in the end regardless. Wait where
Where was the TP from Sanking?
I really thought they were going to help Yatora there. That was a great bushwack too from Rue.
I was just waiting for the Sanking to arrive. He had TP rated the whole time. Laurel just never showed up.
Wants to stay mid and finish his blink, but I think considering how that bushwack landed, he could have found a nice two-man burrow off of that.
Alright.
A bit surprising considering how telegraph that play was from the side of gamer legion
You know the early corrosive pays on to your tour. He kind of knew something was up. I see why this would be a big kill for
Spirit pops the veil trying to get away
It's close Laurel area gets the burrow strike to finish the job at baiting company
It's going to try to get some retribution dead shot does help a bit but Laurel still falls in the end
And now Batyuk makes his way over with all the singing songs that one can enjoy throughout the lifetime of this frog as Fade will fade into oblivion.
Speed gets trapped inside the shards and this is going to be a fourth kill for Spirit.
So showing signs of life after last game kind of being not their best showing, let's say.
I think in fairness last game in my ass, which is a really big out draft
I think that that was a hard game to look good in
But yeah, this is definitely showing some better form here a nice overall team fight a big swing
You can see almost 2k gained in that engagement
You're subtract from this what tiny was farming in the meantime, of course
But still a very clear win, but also a 45 if tiny is part of that fight somehow that goes really well for the side of
game a legion. Kind of interesting to see the wind probability here already. Don't know if I would agree with that.
Two for one favoring spirit. I know it's a good mark to game, but hope.
Barrel time to the roving. Big none. Steals a dead shot, dies shortly after though.
Bade does have blink, so they will try to set something up now surely.
Yeah, and when does Tiny move? I think that's my big question here.
Ghost has been AFK for 13 minutes.
Is it Shadowblade? Is there a gait play where you collapse on bottom tower and kill that plus Yatoro?
I think that would be a really nice move. Oh, they're gonna do exactly that right now.
Leading into the 14-minute wisdom. This is a super strong timing with the Slugger blink.
I really like this play, and I think it's hard. It's a very hard one for Yatoro to predict.
He's actually gonna use Mask of Madness here already, so now he can't really fight back, and there's the crush initiation, Yatoro.
getting ganked from the south side, he gets Atotoss, no time to get anything off.
TP is successful somehow.
Panto bites the dust though, so Gamer Legion do get the two.
Yeah, nice move. Very, very good.
And they get the tower, so perfect.
They get two kills, get the wisdom, they get the tower at no cost.
The top tower there is very healthy because Tiny has never left it, so this lane is...
there's not going to be any trade. And likely Venno is going to start just building a house up here.
I think that's a very good way to play the map, is just let Venno farm top, let him
take camps, let him defend the tower. If Spirit want to take the tower in turn,
they have to bring numbers, which they're already doing with a smoke. And if this is successful,
I think it's obviously a good move, you want to open that tower. But if all you find is the five
Venno, and the enemy team is just farming on all the four heroes, including stacks and two lanes,
then it's not all that bad for the night, just the ghost that they get instead.
They have a burrow and they got the stuns, they're even going to use the epicenter just to make sure
big kills for Spirit.
Turn around potential.
Hanto comes in with the walrus punch, Fade.
As is TP in one second.
Let's have the vision here.
They're going to sell Rue.
Well worth it though, they killed Tiny.
So, nicely done.
This, what you saw there is why I liked Parking Venotok,
And I think Tiny shouldn't have been there.
I think it's just better let Venom play that area of the map and Ghost can play everywhere else.
Because it's like the most obvious move for Spirit is to try to open this top tower, right?
So if Tiny is farming somewhere in the neighborhood, he is at risk of being hit by that move,
which wasn't even necessarily intended for him.
So...
By the way...
How long we go?
Got the TP in from Ghost again, the Avalanche to follow.
So Panto said to start this out, speed will be the trade and not a frog on the run, but
the crush keeps them in place as fate finishes them off.
Now two for one for Gamer Legion.
A lot of back and forth, 3K lead though for Gamer Legion.
Yep.
So far today they've just been the better team overall.
Spirit, oh they're going to find a room here, tossing a tree and they'll be killed off eventually.
Avalanche will secure it.
I think itemization, Laurel, because of all the physical DPS will be...
Did he change his mind?
He just swapped.
Oh no, he got it.
Oh yeah, he got it.
Let's go separate.
Yeah, makes a lot of sense.
I think it's a very high value purchase.
Of course you gotta be a bit careful.
Yes, some magic damage here.
Rubik, tiny.
Like, well, they didn't counter Muerta.
I guess I'll become Muerta then.
Yeah.
I guess you can upgrade it later.
It's not that bad for Sanke to upgrade this.
So, we have 4k the lead and with the current game state and the heroes I think this lead
is bound to just keep growing.
Once again Venomancer will just beat out the enemy supports and there's nothing stopping
all three cores from Gamer Legion from just farming as well.
This is why that soul ring on Slardar is so valuable is during all of this downtime it
translates into a lot of GPM when you can spam crush to farm
It just wipes out the wave very quickly with shard. Yeah, yeah, so
It's it's such a nice item to have a slaughter when you're ahead basically
I don't when you're behind it's kind of your comeback mechanism. It's almost like a mitis. It's just a mitis on slaughter
Yeah
That's very interesting.
Alright, looking for trouble here.
Absolutely, they'll find it.
They find the center initiation, they find the RU, big.
Victim is dead 10 times over.
Just a singular kill though, and I was quite a bit committed,
so I don't think Gamer Legion all too unhappy about it.
It feels similar to Game 1, oh.
Yeah, Paul.
He's gonna get the RU, and that's big.
Now they're gonna surely try to go for this.
R.C.Y. with the initiation, they get the bash, RU gets taken out instantly.
Corrosive Hayes really setting this damage up for RCY.
They get both supports quite easily,
and likely will try to pressure this tier one.
They'll just take it. There's no way.
In game one, I was getting the same feeling where Spirit were trying to get moves going.
They get their wombo combo onto a support,
and then the gamer legion just regroups and goes.
It's just a... in game one, it's 100%.
that she was just dead here. Bad avalanche.
I think I actually missed this though.
It should have mattered.
Fade in the area.
So, only a matter of time.
In game one I think it was way more understandable.
It was just a massive line of limitation in the fact that they got stomped in the off lane,
they were unfavorable, unfavorable in the mid lane by default,
and they didn't really have heroes that could skirmish.
In this game you have a bit of skirmishing power, but it's still not the best, right?
Like, you're comparing a duo of, say, I guess San King Hoodwink could kill, right, in a 2v2 situation or something.
But aside from that, you kind of want to bring the big guns with you.
This is one of the downsides to Largo as an offlaner, and why I thought the hero was just...
He was only broken because of the Ags being overpowered, right?
There's nothing else. There's nothing that was...
We didn't see a singular Largo offlane game where he didn't go Ags plus Kaisange, right?
There's literally every game for like a month and correct
It the problem with this hero is when you're behind and that timing isn't as strong as it used to be
He this hero only plays one type of fights
He's not good for skirmishing his net worth does not transform into any meaningful single target damage
Especially not until he has the axe even finished
So who did the supports play around except sand king for skirmishing?
it is kind of awkward and
And when you're making the moves like you pointed out, well if what you run into a support you don't really have a choice
This is an easy grab by the way with
the slaughter and speed will get himself a nice little pick up there the venomous Gale shard
That's the one that does what the old facet did with spawning plague words when you hit Gale
Yeah, pretty solid nice against blink heroes and fights not even if you don't gale them just placing plague words around fights
He's more passive damage. It's clean.
Rue, you have died.
Not yet, but you have died.
With a toss he would.
I like that Ghost didn't go for the toss he wants more.
Ghost onto the high ground. He tries to go.
Doesn't get silent. Now he does.
Punching an airpanther wants to get aggressive.
Ghost taking ton of damage.
Look at the amount of damage that Spirit can do still
despite being so far behind.
They get two kills.
Now RCY trying to fight out. Gets off the Echo Slash.
It's a triple kill for the Kaz and he is just
Left unattended, there's now the frog on the run, but another crush from Fade, setting this up for RCY to get an ultra kill.
The damage coming out from Spirit was pretty damn good, but again, it was only on like a couple, and then eventually Kes comes in and cleans up pretty nicely.
Yeah, he hits a couple of heroes with Mage Slayer, and the damage output of Spirit really, really falls quickly.
Quickly you were pointing out the pipe this kind of works like that
Right it has gets in I guess that's true. Yeah, it's effectively against heroes like Sand King and
The Largo and hodewink the nature layer really
Puts a stop to a ton of their output. And yeah, this looks awkward. It was a very good usage of the harpoon from ghosts
It's actually super important that he creates this distance. Yes
He will end up dying but he bought a lot of time harpooning on that tree and dodged a stun
and this gives enough time for the rest of the team to come in and clean up.
Now that's a grand reward they will get themselves a shield for the chicken.
Finger looking good.
So now, a good healthy lead for gamer Legion with the ages on Mr. RCY.
I don't know what to expect in this game so it just doesn't sit right with me.
There's no way right what is
No, the plus love in this game loves Largo and maybe it's data
Maybe it's a bit outdated because I remember some of the games that we were casting when Largo was broken
When the game was even at 20 minutes the Largo team had like 80% win problem
I'm sorry, baby. I'm absolutely absolutely shocked that Batyuk doesn't have eggs yet
I feel like he has been on these components for so long
It feels like halfway done with an eggs. I want to say close to five six minutes ago
Yeah, it's basically the same state now 500 ago. We'll finally finish it soon. Oh
It misses the crush
But it feels like spear are continuing to try to fight this might not having this which feels
Pivotal I I really think this is a just a
Just a mismover you shouldn't you shouldn't be looking for anything right now
100% agree, Largo needs Ags, then you can look for Smoke.
And potentially earlier in the game, a couple of the fights they took prior were also mistakes, in theory.
There's a good item pick up, this will be a nice improvement.
Now you're going to have Ags on Sank King, and Largo will have his soon.
You put the Krogof Genius on Sank King and you get in there and you pop everything and try to take a good fight.
That is strong for now, but BKBs will of course put a bit of a stop to it.
They have the one on Slardar and Kez ready, tiny as far away with the Silver Edge now though.
Still, he has so much status resistance and overall tankiness and good support behind him
that he can maybe survive regardless with the glimmer of the Venom answer.
And even if he does die, it probably tanks the majority of them where it's old and then Kez can clean up.
Ghost looking for a little pick-ins here.
They find a squirrel will survive this any ghost scepter central for teams care. Yeah
The entire team basically will have it at some point to find all foreign cars next. I think so could
No longer with a ghost scepter. Oh, I get away though. Yeah
Not quite enough there this this is what happens with kez when you go this build like this is the downside to mace layer
When you watch that moment and you're like why did hoodwink not die, Kez always one-shots me in my games
It's because the Kez you play against maybe has deso
In a way, that's what corrosive haze is supposed to provide. Yeah, but it wasn't there in that instance, so
It's true that I'm not saying he's buying the wrong items. I agree with this
It looks like fade will be going for the nullifier. Oh
Yeah, that's better actually. Yeah get it on the slaughter. Why not?
Kez can get a bigger item instead of shield rune on fade. Oh, man
If they go towards the north...
Okay, they'll... find one.
Yeah. If is that Yook who has the Agatom Scepter, it doesn't seem to be doing too much here in a 1 vs 5.
Not as strong as the last patch, it seems.
Rubik stole Largo Olds.
Oh, how does that work?
He has all the songs.
All the songs?
Yeah. It's actually... but no Ags.
Right, he doesn't have Scepter himself.
It's still kind of nice steel though like the I
Still think Largo second song is very very good
I wouldn't be surprised if you if you are singing the song and you steal a spell that the server just crashes
We'll find out here. Yeah, that's of course a legitimate concern here gamer
Legion needs to be careful not to crash the server and
Spirit let them steal the song
They pursuing a Toros and Papa PKB and his alt TP's away
Hey, see if they can use any of that timing there again.
Oh, tests on the prowl.
Yeah, still with a minute on the ages,
so it doesn't mind getting a little frisky.
Just like Largo, and...
And San King.
And San King, that's right, the scorpion.
I mean, the old fable is the scorpion
kills the frog that tries to cross the river, right?
Have you heard that one?
No.
Really?
Is that actually a thing?
Yeah.
also richard was was referencing oh yeah that was the reference oh I see yeah
sorry I'm gonna screw up the story so maybe I should chat you PTA to get it
right that's where we get information the crush from fade on to panto will lead
to the death of the tusk essentially the TLDR is a frog wants to cross the river
okay and the scorpion okay I'm gonna screw this one up yep I'm gonna check you
You're doing great so far.
Go ahead.
For us in the meantime.
Aegis in the 8 seconds, can they wait it out or see why?
Might want to just die here, honestly.
You're getting healed by Rubik.
It looks like the Aegis will expire and he will heal, and the Venomult forcing his spirit
back completely.
Tell me the story.
I'm searching for it right now.
Oh, so you didn't even want to do the TLVR?
No, because I'm not going to screw it up.
The only fable with like two animals that I can think of for my childhood is the one
with the hair and the turtle, which is a way more famous one, right?
A scorpion comes to the edge of a river and asks a frog to carry him across.
The frog hesitates, why would I do that?
You'll sting me.
The scorpion replies, if I sting you, we'll both drown.
The frog thinks about it, decides that makes sense, and lets the scorpion climb onto his
back.
Halfway across the river, the scorpion stings him.
As the frog begins to sink, he gasps.
Why would you do that? Now we'll both die.
And the Scorpion answers, I couldn't help it.
It's in my nature.
Speaking of Scorpion, Laurel gets off the burrow strike onto RCY.
Pucka BKB in retreat mode now.
Nobody's really remotely close to him, but he does have to blink.
What the fuck was the point of that story?
The moral of the story is everyone sucks ass.
Wow. That's a great story.
It's a cool story. What do you mean? It's in their nature.
That's the punch line?
There's no punch line.
It's a story.
It's a fable.
Okay?
I can't believe that's the story.
That is such a nothing burger.
Is there not a Danish version of this?
You know like a Danish pastry tries to cross the stream?
Yes, that's right.
The Danish pastry tries to cross the stream and then the scorpion jumps onto it.
And then they sink into the water together and the scorpion is like, I couldn't help
it.
It's in my nature to eat jelly.
Yeah, that's fine.
That's good.
Sorry, I'm sorry.
Alright, let me ask GPPT what the moral of that is.
I bet Richard thinks it's high art.
It's the worst part.
The point is, Syl, some people act against their own interests because it's who they
are.
The useful takeaway isn't people are doomed, it's pay attention to patterns, not promises
syndrome, okay?
Well, that's...
It's in your nature to be a robot, for example.
Right.
So...
Maybe that's why I don't appreciate it.
Yeah.
That's...
have his logic right as we have a smoke from team spirit full team smoke and they are heading
in the wrong direction it seems this gamer legion will go through the gate
although ghost yeah he's gonna TP out maybe it'll be a ward expedition for them either way
they'll dodge it the scorpion is so stupid like why doesn't he just sting him when he's on the way
the when they're almost across because it's in his nature yeah but what is what
a dumb scorpion I mean scorpions don't really have big brains and they're like
you it unlike or like very important how you were the answer you did just get a
brain transplant so that's where you was there a goat involved at all I feel like
this is a goat brain this is another reference to some sort of fable now
That goat went to the doctor and said I would like a brain transplant and the doctor was
like you can't have that you're a goat that's it that's the story that's right that was
it it's in your nature it's in your nature to be a goat and therefore you can't get
a brain transplant.
Smokes on both sides we're about to collide here.
Collision imminent.
Nuclear launch detected RCY 1kkb.
Horses Yatoro out as well they're gonna punch up the bird though RCY is in a lot of trouble
trying to get away with the Crackling Club, and he's dead first.
They're going to focus down Laurel, though, so it's a one-for-one to sort this out.
BKB's running out. Batyuk, able to get some heal action onto Yutaro,
licks him up a little bit as well. Very delicious.
He still has Ulti on Yutaro as well. Only used the BKB there, so...
I love the confidence from RCY to blink in there and get vision of him.
Goes, Analyze!
Oh, three with the front! Deletion imminent! Oh, my goodness!
Nullifier applied as well. The Bat Yuki goes down. Triple kill for Ghost.
Whoa.
A Wombo combo set up by himself.
Hmm.
Yep. There's that thing we talked about with Muerta. Yeah, you're good against physical damage,
but it only works if you get your old off.
And Corrosive Haze plus Tiny can deal easily 2k damage within that sun duration.
They end up cleaning house there.
And no dead as well. Why didn't she pop Ultimate on Muerta?
Because it's in her nature.
Yes.
to be dead, she is a dead being.
Let's keep an eye more to here, let's see, okay.
So, let's, let's-
Boom, boom, boom.
They could have over killed him 50% at least, I think.
So this wasn't even remotely close.
Even if he has another item, he still dies there.
Yeah, it's kind of funny how that all played out
where R.C.Y. blinks into his vision of everyone,
kind of sacrificed himself.
I loved his confidence the way he did it.
He just did it a bit too early maybe,
if the backup is closer, that could have been such a clean opener with Slaughter and Tiny right behind.
But ultimately, as the fight plays out, they didn't even need it.
That's the crazy part. Like, the only thing Kez really forced was a BKB from Muerta.
And I suppose Sand King's position got a little bit compromised afterwards, but...
Yeah, they just have so much damage playing around with Slaughter.
Yep, gamer legions game to lose now.
They are at a huge advantage, 22k spirit.
Knowing that Rosh is going to be up relatively soon, I feel like they need to make something
happen and I can't blame them.
Just allowing them to take Rosh and try to go high ground is a recipe for disaster and
all likelihood.
Have you heard the fable about the squirrel and the frog?
No, I haven't.
Please tell me.
So there was a squirrel that jumped on the back of a frog and it was like, can you climb
trees?
And the frog said no.
And then the squirrel was like, what if you jump on my back, we can climb the tree together?
And then the frog said, that sounds cool, but I'm afraid I can't because it's not in
my nature.
That sounds like a great moral.
Yeah.
That's the day the hoodwink learned that it's better to talk to squirrels instead of frogs because you can relate to them
It's the moral of the story is to you know
stick to your tribe
And what's your tribe exactly?
Fucking nerds. That's why I don't get the stories. Okay
In my tribe we tell cool stories
Yeah, you just told a really riveting one. No one fell asleep at home listening to that. I
Genuinely think it was kind of close to yours, which wasn't yours
mine is a famous one
in my eyes they weren't that different which is
so hard
blast me
i'm sorry i'm sorry if you're a big fan of that old fable i
i'm not gonna now i'm curious where that fable comes from
we're gonna have to hold that thought because gamer legion are smoking
that's right in their ways no one they're smoking spirit all right
oh bat you
you uh yeah you are a frog it's in your nature to die here let's see how fast
One...
Okay, goodbye.
Yep.
Uh, that's without Daedalus, by the way.
That's just a Chrysalis around.
60 seconds on the deck.
Okay, I like this from Spirit.
Gotta do something, bold.
But...
Yeah.
It's not gonna work, but I like that they tried it.
I'll see why.
Deep into the pit, they've already deleted one in Panto.
Rosh is very healthy.
This is turning out to a good old-fashioned disaster for Team Spirit.
Oh my goodness!
The face, ultra kill!
Yatoro is neckin' on the list!
Got her half!
Absolutely, he's gonna wait for that blink dagger to come back.
Oh, my god, feels it!
Just within his grasp.
It's a full team-wide one way or another,
Gamer Legion on their way to a 2-0 victory,
unless something crazy happens here.
That was not remotely close.
Like I was saying, I still like that Spirit tried that,
because you've got to do something crazy.
And yeah, maybe that's a low probability play,
but the alternative is even worse.
Like if you if you don't try the roaches and auto game for a gamer legion
And you're just hoping that they're not paying attention or not reading this
But they are they get the clean jump and the fight is over the moment the crush comes out
No chance in hell of getting out of this and yeah the epicenter is sitting there pulsing to zero damage with mage layer plus
PKB's worse. Is it a tree that kills him yet?
Yeah
Wow, what a good look from Gamer Legion. It's one thing to 2-0 spirit, but honestly, the games have not even been close, so that's a very, very good piece of news here.
If you're looking to get out of the Swiss, they would be 2-1 with a victory here, just meaning one more victory is necessary to qualify for top 8.
And with how they're playing, unless somebody figures them out, I have a hard time seeing
this team lose two back-to-back series with this level of play, at least.
NA finds a way, though.
They'll never say never.
That's true.
Do you want to, just for the record, Chen, you did say Game Religion didn't stand a chance
after I liked the draft in Game 1.
Yeah.
The curse might work for China, but not in A. It might be a regional bias to it.
True. Maybe we can actually do predictions about NA and not plague the whole tournament.
Yeah, that would be nice for once.
It's nice to...
Feels good to get it right, you know?
That's a 25 talent, which I can only assume he's gonna be taking the Undispelled.
Is he 5 on Slardar?
Yeah.
He's 23 on timing.
Well, that's what a near rampage does, I suppose.
That's level by 2.
This hero does not get top level most of them.
No, almost ever.
I doubted it too at the beginning of the game.
Yep, I was wrong.
Undispellable Haze now, Morita can't take it off.
Mor, Largo can't take it off, of course the bigger one of them, cause that's on everybody.
Sanking will finally get a Sheeva's, which will provide some false feeling of security perhaps.
Ghost trying to finish off his mid lane, still has Aegis for another two and a half.
Well, yeah, good setup.
Aegis, oh yeah, he's itching.
He's itching.
4 Staff for Ghosts.
A bit of a tough high ground it seems without getting a pick off first.
There's a Clint who's engaged, they have the whole map.
They can do whatever they want.
They want to try to jump in the base, obviously they can.
But effectively the only way Spirit really come back into the game is through a major team fight where you jump into them poorly.
It's very hard for Spirit to go first, as we've seen countless times.
They have to get through, they have to navigate play wards.
they have to navigate a silver edge tiny it's very hard to get out basically
now even a blink on Venom I love this
seems to really like his Avalons too on Venom it's kind of interesting not an
item we see in every build at least but he seems to like it third okay they're
I'm gonna try it for this, Faker will be worth a lot of money, nice telekinesis though from Biggum, that shard is dirty.
Another initiation, RCY focusing on Tusk, it's a nullifier, Laura with the epicenter, they take out the Rubik.
Epicenter has basically nothing, goes in, I missed them all, it's in a 1 vs 5, all alone, BKB TP, the Nightfall Maneuver, successful.
Kind of a weird engagement there for Gamer Legion, but they only leave 1.
Nice force theft from Speed, I hope we get a replay of that, I actually think that was necessary, that was very heads up.
So I mean
Ghost a little bit crazy to even go for that in the first place
But when he does do it speed needed to get that save off to prevent the punch the distance
Made the snowball not connect in time for the cancel so well done
It's something for spirit step one of 20
Oh boys double crush on to the high ground
R.C.Y. with a BKB, at a toss from Ghost, deletes the frog, the scorpion is next, is in their nature, you see.
Three deaths per spirit, and now appears to be having to be used.
And Game Religion can just kite them where she can't move, basically.
Trying to catch up to the Tiny. They have the vision.
R.C.Y. is here as well. The toss up Ghost, gets away just in time with the Harpoon.
Gitaro dead, Tanto as well.
Back yook! You are the last remaining member, and this is going to be a team wipe.
I believe that's a dieback if I'm not mistaken.
Yep. That should do it.
Gamer Legion looking very good today.
They have the Roche Banner, so these creeps will not die.
I am RCY even just having a sip of water while seating to your floor. It's not a common sight on camera there
This feels like the enemy team can't fly back and well
Mostly correct. He deletes his support flies back
I mean, there's no more there's no core for 10 seconds the same thing will come back with them. This is dead. It's over
GGs will come out imminently
Big prediction from me GG's called gamer legion to zero over spirit
Classic post-op
classic fable of the scorpion and frog
Walk into a chicken and they die. That's right. That's a great one. Thanks for joining us everybody until next time Richard
Thank you. Yes, that isn't how the fable I'll tell you about the fable syndrome in a moment
But for now, this isn't a fable.
Your eyes do not deceive you.
Birthday boy, Big Num, with a big win over Spirit, 2-0.
And I've got to say, I mean, look,
we can talk about collapse, not being here, whatever.
This was just clean from Gamer Legion.
Two great drafts, great execution,
and played with tempo and intent.
Yeah, you know, when Shannon said,
Gamer Legion took the 2-0 over Spirit,
I was just sitting there thinking,
those words have like never been spoken.
I mean, other than in the classic with the-
Yeah, yeah, the classic.
I mean, Premiere series, it happened,
but it just, it feels different on LAN,
and it feels different when it's so clean.
Yes.
Like, Ghost really does have the sauce.
Like, this guy is-
Has the sauce, the steel rampage from his teammate.
Look at this.
Disgusting.
He gets tipped immediately.
It's that tiny, tiny's a crazy good hero.
Like, every time we watch the hero,
especially with Sauron amplifying everything in the AoE and he's got the cleave on Tiny.
He just deletes people, man, like the tree toss does so much damage with the Aghshard as well.
I'm definitely being convinced on Tiny Carry, it looks really good.
It does, it really does. Also the combination between the heroes, like the Amplify damage that you mentioned,
and also having Kez in the team who's also going to mage their BKB,
They had double nullifiers as well, knowing that all of their damage is kind of physical, sure, tiny deal, some edge damage as well on top of that.
But they have to build into Ghostseptors. They want to be able to protect each other.
There were like two Ghostseptors, Solarcrest.
You want to be removing all of these nasty things and just lock onto a target and kill it.
And you can see the scoreline. All three cores from Gamer Legion.
These are some like insane numbers that we're seeing on the screen.
You know, nullifier is not the best counter to Ghostseptor. The best counter to Ghostseptor is Ghost.
Yes, this guy, like I love the idea of yes, it's a very good muerto game and yes, it's all physical damage against him, but there's simply so much damage on the side of gamer legion and stunts to put on top of that that they can simply kill a yatoro before he even pops the ulti there were some fights you
Toro fell like he had to be so conservative and using it because of this threat that he just did
He like he died without even using it in a lot of the fights
I mean, I also want to say I mean obviously we've got fade there on on the screen. I mean just a crazy
Slot our game as well
Number 20,000 euro damage. That's a that's a good number
Yeah, it's just a while but I mean like I thought everybody on game elite
You just did everything. Yeah, pretty much perfectly. Absolutely. They did the job and I think this is also a test to see
How the froggy still doing and he's not doing too hot like no this the scorpion
Yeah, the scorpion
They drowned together eight and pretty much the frog didn't really do much in most of these fights
I'm looking at the damage numbers as well
Like even the heel numbers are extremely low for the hero. It's sub 5k
These type of numbers you see some from somebody that kind of buys a holy locket and you'll get the same amount of
Just for losing the holy locket. Yeah, that's true actually want to jump ahead to 14 minutes in that one then
Yeah, we had a couple of fights pre 14 minutes where they were struggling dealing with Martha
They didn't have much to pump in into the damage and then this time around you see that ghost
He wants to be able to join this is relatively early that you see tiny joining the fight
They're gonna be getting multiple kills out of it. Thiny doesn't usually join before he gets it or his blink dagger after Echo Sabre
Or if he gets a shadow blade, but this time around ghost he understood what the assignment was and he joins
They needed that extra bit of oomph because there was a fight 4v5 earlier that they did lost
Yeah, I like that. I think that's what you have to do
Like if if anybody is to be watched to see how to play tiny it's Mickey and for all of these years
No matter what the build is he goes void stone first if he's gonna go void stone blink
or void stone into echo saver he goes void stone so he has the mana to actually show up to fight and
So I think you should emulate that you know it's got the number one tiny
So it's good to see you have the mana to actually run at people and keep us so much damage down the early game with the
The tree toss being maxed out. It's crazy. It's worth showing up
All the multiples of seven got 21 minutes as well. Take a look at it
Yeah, we're keeping an eye. That's the Dota clock. Yeah all about the runes and
And this is going to be a fight where they are going to be starting to fight 4v5.
And you can see them, like, look at their positioning, look at their formation from the Immolation.
Like, they run in, Ekko Saber immediately out, Harpoon onto the trees.
They know that during Murta time, and look how well they spread.
Everybody's on the different side, speed playing here, more to the south, to the east.
And then as soon as that Murta ulti runs out, they're going to be able to come in and clean up.
And we did talk about the two supports that they deal insane amount of magic damage.
They have the control, and then the play spreads from the Venomancer,
and then they're going to be ready to re-initiate.
This seems to be the plan that did work out for them throughout the whole game.
Speed did 25k damage in that game.
He did more damage than Ghost.
Yes, actually.
I was going to mention it because, you know, we've seen him now.
He is going towards that Venomancer over and over again.
And it's available, obviously.
You're not going to waste a ban on it.
but he's doing so much with it, you know, like more than any of the players I've seen it.
It's it's his thing, you know, like he was the Venom jungle promoter back when he was a
YouTuber, you know, the guy was like play Venom jungle, play Venom jungle. So it's like, I think
there's an element of confidence and pride there where you just play something better because
it's like part of your identity. And also he's done the reps like he's played so many games of it
No matter what patch comes out, he's going to know the optimal way to play the hero.
Final thought.
Look good.
I got to say one thing that is underrated in this patch, if you have a hero that can jungle early on,
that gives you neutral items because you can get them immediately.
This is what Venom does, like he's farming the small camp, maybe killing the big camp as well,
because he didn't even get the Gale, he was getting the Snake 0-1-2 build,
and everybody had a neutral item relatively early on, which is a big disadvantage for the enemy team.
Great stuff for Cameraman Legion.
team spirit will have to readjust tomorrow. For now, a quick break when we come back,
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Yes, welcome back. As I said before the break, I wasn't lying. It is heroic versus Virtus.Pro.
And I wasn't lying about heroic being Dom's favorite team. Always talking about them in the green room, always talking about them in the hotel.
I'm just so excited to watch them play because they have very interesting players, especially since their mid laner joined as well.
I think Ty Long is gelling in nicely with the team.
Even though the results for the teams were like not the greatest, I would say this team has a lot of potential
I would put them in the like more stable category. We just saw game religion be team spirit
I would put them even higher than gamer legion
But this is a team that on pretty much good day can beat any team in the world
What are your favorite teams as well? Obviously you love KJ. You love whisper, you know, I mean they do have a great squad
I I do love this team, you know, you can crazy think about KJ
he doesn't realize how iconic he is, you know?
Because I feel like he was the kind of
position five, like chill support guy,
everybody talked about Whisper,
like everyone talked about the other players of the team,
but then he had that legendary TI speech.
You wanna know a story about that?
Yeah.
Right, so over in the rock and roll land of Counter Strike
where all the giga-chads live,
I showed some Counter Strike people that speech from TI
And they were like, holy, holy shit, who's this chap?
Like he could be as cool as a Counter Strike player.
Yeah, he is.
He is really cool.
And I can tell you that I've been getting to know him a lot
better recently, as of late.
And the guy is like a fierce fucking competitor, like so fierce.
He has what it takes to someday win a TI.
I can tell you he's reading these books from tennis,
best players of all time, bowling, best players of all time.
Like he is studying the greats, you know,
he's the type of guy that watches whiplash.
And he was like, yeah, that was worth it.
That was reasonable.
Like that's what it takes.
The Dota reference for that one would be,
were you rousing or were you dragging?
Yeah, yeah.
That's it, that's the one.
That's the best line to do.
But like, I really do believe that this guy
will do whatever it takes to eventually win a TI.
In his mind, I asked him like,
What are your plans to do after TI?
Or after Dota, because you would think, like, OK,
he's a very reasonable, charismatic dude,
thinks a lot about life.
And he said, after Dota, I am dead.
Like, I don't even think about that.
That's equivalent to being dead.
It is the only thing he thinks about.
And it is something special, man.
Yeah, what a legend.
Also, as well, I mean, playing on a team with Yuma.
Yeah, I mean, there's a bunch of giga-chads on this team.
because Yuma, you got to keep an eye on this guy as well,
because he's been so stable, I think, ever.
He had one of the best performances at the previous TI.
I think this guy goes under a lot of people's radars
when we talk about some of the best carries,
because maybe they haven't been winning the tournaments.
And some of the records that he does have
from the previous season of Valakia,
even though team got fifth and sixth place,
he's still breaking the record.
You can see number of KDAs.
he's gonna be up there second on Kels, Blastlam 6,
they also got the same placement as Velakia 7,
where he's getting still first in multiple ways,
like Kels, he's always super active,
Dream League season 27, also breaking some of the records,
even though the team got like 17 place,
so definitely gotta keep an eye on this guy.
Also as well, well, I think Wildtoms make a great point,
not because of anything Tom said,
but because Verna's pro,
they're just a bunch of loveable goofballs
according to the photos.
Yeah, but no, I mean, look, obviously, Virtus. Pro, they put this line up together.
It's got some familiar faces on it.
And it does seem to be a pretty chill team, just one that we maybe don't know
if it necessarily has the ceiling to beat a team like heroic.
I mean, this is, this is like NA versus SA classic.
I really like VP is Eastern European organization.
But like this team is the one that played in North America for so long.
like, you know, Bulba, like, Abed, Fly, like, even Hellscream played in NA for a long time.
All of these players are either, like, straight up North American or, like, honorary North
Americans because they played in the region for so long.
So it's really cool to see that back.
And Abed is looking in form in this tournament.
Yeah, I mean, that's one of the names, obviously, I mean, he feels like he's just been around.
He was, like, top three mids at a point in the world, even, like, top one when it came
to individual skill.
To be fair, he's playing only Void Spirit on this tournament.
He's played like the only non Void Spirit game he played.
He was Sand King, but on the games that he is playing Void Spirit,
he is like beyond Godlike and it's just straight up like
winning lane against very good players
that should not be losing lane like they are
and then going beyond Godlike in the game.
So I don't know what happened with Abed,
whether he's like monitoring his sleep, you know, like like the previous
Yeah, the religion boys were talking about or he's eating to change his diet
But like he looks like the scary Abed of old when he was on Egypt name a more iconic duo than Bulba and Abed Stormspirit
Like so far he lost one game on this patch
But definitely you always have to have this in the back of your mind when you're playing against this team
But I also want to point out that both of these teams had a bit of a
Rough time in the last month in the last three months as well
because their win rate is just not there. They haven't really been winning. They
changed the squad, both of them. Virtus.pro, like in the last three months,
they have sub 50% win rate sitting at 48% only in the last month 50, exactly the
same for Heroic. Heroic in the last three months slightly higher, but yeah, this is
I would say the true test for Virtus.pro as well, like how this tournament is
going to go for them? Sure. Because Heroic is a real tall order though bro. Yeah. Heroic is a tough one man.
They are. They are. And uh, I mean we talked about Ty Lung. This is pretty much, I would say I'm
getting the similar vibes from him that I was getting from Parker when he won previous Valakia.
It's just that he, it's just a normal Dota player like Ty Lung from what I've seen. Like the, the,
this is another Prodigy kid that we're going to be seeing in the scene and always happy to
see what he's cooking from the mid lane. Yeah. Oh, so you meant the positive fives. Yeah.
No, I mean, I can't believe it was. We did a content piece with one of the players and they
had the name who they felt were the best mids at the tournament and he came up a number of
he came up a lot in the in like top three. This guy is rated. Yeah, he is. I think all it takes
is a mid laner to play against him and they go, oh, shit, this is rough. You know, and a Viper
Specialist as well which it makes it even more rough to have another you know XM out there
willing to willing to pick the cheesy lane-winning born heroes
But also able to play the really high-skill stuff, too
Yeah, like Bristol back mid. Yeah. Yeah, well, okay
Pango, you know, he'll pick the classics, but yeah, he's a wee bit of a weird guy. Yeah, we see the opener. Usually
this doesn't happen and this patch I don't remember seeing both of the teams like opening up with the supports Phoenix is
Probably the strongest support at the moment
In fighting position 5 that gives you extremely good laning scaling as well
And then that was a response to hoodwink
So they gave a slightly higher priority to hoodwink in this one hoodwink feels really good
with we're seeing a bit of a newer build going for the essence distiller and then picking up a chasm stone just had that
Yeah, just really not to amplify damage not playing off of the boomerang like we did before where you rushed into 15 minutes
If you had enough gold boomerang got nerfed. So now we're seeing a bit of a newer build
Yeah, I honestly believe that the build is like the big reason the hero is seeing a lot of play
It matters a lot. I don't know who was the first to first to do it
But like there's a lot of games I've even seen just blight stone into Vlad's rush and it feels so good to have a hero who's
Kind of just standing around pressing stuns, but also your carries doing like 15% more damage and life stealing, you know, it's
Some heroes it's very effective on
Underlord band. It's cool to see that the hero is just getting more and more respected. It kind of feels like
like low key, the best off laner right now.
Yep. Slot off.
Other than SlotR.
Yeah, SlotR available there.
That's a good-
It's the most successful.
That's a very good point.
I would really expect a SlotR to come out here from VP.
That was what was in your high school book wasn't just the most successful.
Oh yeah, suffering from success.
That's you.
But also, I mean, talking about success, tiny.
Actually.
Great hero.
has been something that's been happening on the B stream like we've yeah we've
missed it the same with like the necrophosis it's the same thing a lot
of the other teams are like first phasing tiny we just happen to have not
seen it on our streams and I go home and I'm watching from the hotel and I see
the first pic tiny right so like I do think that eventually most teams will
assimilate and start early phasing this hero like like VP is let's get the same
positives that it had in the previous patch and indeed at the previous
Valahia. Yeah, it can be flexed. Tiny now. I don't think we're gonna be you don't have to. Yeah, I
don't have to. We just can't. I think it's just straightforward carry. It's too good of a carry
to be skipping on a tiny position for got nerve. Same goes for tiny awful on position for feels
really bad. We've seen a couple of mids, mid-tiny. But if you do first, if you do early phase it,
and like, let's say a team does come up with a counter, which it doesn't seem like there is one.
If they did, you could always flex it, and it's not like, game-ruiningly bad on the other positions.
Yeah, I would like to see, maybe not now, on 18 probably. I would love to see Hero like a life stealer coming out for Heroic.
I think it's very good again. It's a good carry matchup against Tiny.
It's also very good against the Phoenix in general, where you can kill the egg easily, have a free BKB on top of that.
For now, it's going to be Tidehunter, plus most likely just another support.
They're going to be looking for KJ's hero.
KJ has an interesting hero pool.
He was playing Dawnbreaker 5, which did look good in the game that he played.
He played Ancient Mapperition.
He's playing the summon heroes as well.
His chants, his enchantresses when necessary.
I don't know if Snapfire is viable after seeing it in some of the pub games.
reading the patch notes. The hero kind of contradicts itself what it wants to do with the innate ability.
I think that's what needs to change. The hook is still very nice, gives you the teamfight, would be good against the egg,
extra bit of a save from Tiny's combo, his reach, but I don't know, something just feels a little off with that one.
I'm just, I'm thinking of Tiny counters for, for carry position and Necro is one of them.
That's really good. I'm just thinking
Well, you think her oak would run some like Yuma necro. Oh cool
Well, that's a very good hero against tiny hypothetically, you know percentage damage is is very good
You think they're
They're using this as a flex or this is gonna be like five Zeus because like most of the zoos that I've seen it's a
It's a flex for sure have been fives
I think it's I think it's a flex like the biggest change that this hero did receive was the one where you're actually like you are
still dealing damage with your ulti, even if they're smoked.
Or it is, yeah.
Yeah, that's the big buff for him.
I mean, the damage on his Q is insane.
It's insane.
It's like 110 damage, something like that, level 1 for 80 mana
cost.
And the thing is, his W also had some crazy mana to damage
ratio as well.
So this is why people were applying Zeus as a support prior.
And now it's even better in terms of trading in the laning phase.
I'm interested to see what is the build, how many clarity is mangoes are you going to send out?
Do you start with Sage's Mask so you can sustain the spam?
But this hero I have seen it played in Prolival Pubs as a support
and it gets a lot of kills in the lane that you wouldn't really expect from the hero
just because it does so much damage.
What do they want?
If they feel like they need some task type of a hero, somebody else that runs in
Hellscream also played a lot of Grimstroke.
Sanking Grim.
Sanking Grim, yeah.
Abed so far played only two heroes.
Oof, it looks like.
Boisbert and Sanking.
Dude, it looks like such a nasty life stealer game.
It's too good.
Look at all of this magical stun and silence and burst.
And it's just, you can just press the get out of jail free
card, you know?
It's like Juggernaut life stealer look so excellent here.
Yeah, that's a new one. Or maybe we haven't seen too much of a life stealer. Yeah, I think
we haven't seen a life stealer. Yeah, even after seeing like the two picks, it looked
like it could be really good. And as Jenkins pointed it out, like after seeing two more,
it just seems like too good of a pick to skip on. I do have one issue with Heroic's lineup
And it's that like
They really need a hero that's doing a
Decent amount of damage from the mid lane plus a guy that's gonna like run around and do stuff like they for sure need
Some sort of spirit type hero. I don't even think puck would be enough queen
Maybe isn't isn't active enough like it kind of has to be like ember or void
Yeah, I think they want to have a mage there both of them are building into it
So I would lean towards one of those two. You got a ban ember. Yeah, it's just too obvious and
VP has last pick so all bet is getting oh, actually, it's probably gonna be a all-bed sand king
And maybe still flexible
And they're banning out the nigma. This is something Saber like likes to run right now
They have no vkb phircing ability. So I want to see if maybe they want to remove
something else it could be good primal beast game like eventually you have a
break you have pulverize that can actually grab him
Slaughter is still in the pool yeah Slaughter could be okay that's one of
the old-school counters to life stealer yeah that destroys life stealer and then
you've sought our tiny we just saw that that's crazy good Slaughter is another
stun to protect the egg. They ban the primal like you mentioned. So what's another good
mid laner for heroic? I don't know if Void does enough damage. Strum? I mean...
I don't think the Converters Bro has damage issues.
Oh, I was thinking for her oh for her oh, yeah, they they they could definitely lack they definitely could
Use some damage coming up from the mid lane. I mean you can also take the approach of like
Just shitting on the lane you should go Thailand viper and say here's a problem. So, you know hook
How about that? Yeah, Puck is I worry that maybe Puck is a little too lacking in the damage
And there's like good silence and this disable for him Ember would have been like that would have been a piece Lee
That would have been really good
Then you got to pick other there's like two three stuns leash mechanic
So the game is not gonna be as easy no matter what like no matter what hero you pick from the mid lane
And this is the point of 10 seconds you just say tie long like what's what's the pick bro? What do you want?
Cottle okay, so they're picking to just dominate the lanes with the sideline ganks
I mean San King tiny like these heroes don't like a coddle vessel
running at them
not much synergy between like coddle is pretty much going to be playing I chakra myself like
all your pub coddles do they're not going to be giving away mana to anybody else they
don't utilize that lifestealer is like okay ish with the rage but everything else is kind
of meh
technically herra could swap the Zeus to mid and if it's like a mid sand king then you
have a hero who's like winning the century battle because Zeus doesn't need a century
to de-word you. That's one interesting thing is Zeus can technically follow San King.
But I mean Night Stalker, this is a hero that could potentially find heroes in the
backland. There's also a bit of anti-synergy between Phoenix and Night Stalker.
You're doing snooze. I just saw him take snooze out of his mouth.
Don't be doing that.
Yeah, you're on camera young man.
I'm smoking I guess it there's a soda. Yeah, it's just it's it's it's too good of a combo with the tiny
We literally just saw it like this is it's so devastating a we corrosive haze
tiny a we cleave
Doubling down the a we stuns and two really beefy boys. I love I love I love I love me
I just think they were just done a masterclass here
Keeper of the Light is a type of a hero that does destroy lanes.
If you're off to a good start, the problem is there are so many jumpers.
All three cores are Blink Dagger builders and once you get on top of this coddle, he's
kind of cooked.
He doesn't really have any kind of help, Ravage, maybe Infest, but they also don't have the
Infest bomb as well.
I think when you have Weissler on the team, it's not the must have, but it's definitely
benefit like having one of these spirit heroes that can jump in block type of a hero, but
yeah I kind of like what Furtis Bro drafted for themselves in this one.
Yeah, I'm leaning that way as well. I mean there is always potential here of like Tylong just
popping off in a 1v5ing on Caudal. He's playing against like three tanky cores as like the best
ganking vessel buyer in the game. He's kind of free from mid, but I do worry like what does the
the Zeus do that's that's a question who does like to play with that's like the support
night hunter slow hero like he plays on the side the lie stealer he wants wants to be left alone
yeah so keep up the light doesn't really have that hero to play with that's that's one of my issues
and I've got commentators I don't know why because Sun's fans gonna greet me again but we'll try
so Sun's violent syndrome what do you think of this you know I'm really embarrassed to be on
camera right now. I apologize to everybody for being so unprofessional. I was eating
a Snickers and I have a bunch of chocolate now on my shirt that I can't get rid of.
You can't even see that. I can see it on camera right now. It's so embarrassing.
Maybe it's my eyes. It's actually impressive. You spilled like three times.
It was a lot and I ate it three games ago and there's only been two games. So that just
shows how long it's been on my shirt. Right. Well, tell us more about the Snickers as we
get into the action. Well it's very nutty. It's got some caramel in it. And actually the thing
I love about Snickers here in Romania is that it's the American Snickers. Oh yes. There's
the European Snickers that is not as good. That is just better, yes. Established. Twix is also
just inedible in Europe, I found. Except if you get the caramel, salted caramel version,
which is incredible. Highly recommend eating that, and I highly recommend watching this game
number one between Heroic and VP. We finally get to cast Virtus Pro after this team was formed.
God knows how long ago. Very excited for that, and Heroic, always an exciting team to cast. We
get to see Zeus, my boy Lifestealer, my favorite hero in the game that's not named Centaur, Pudge,
and pango top five i guess uh senator what do you think
don't like this heroic line i don't i don't you're gonna say you don't like snickering
i love i love snickers um i
so i don't really often find myself saying this in proto nowadays but i i look at this
radiant lineup and i just don't really like it and i think the part of the the main thing
thing that I'm seeing is that you have very limited catch, your supports don't
inherently have any hero to play with, so I just, I think this is a game where if
Tylong doesn't pop off, I just don't see them winning. Like, and I know that's a
very bleak outlook and very one-dimensional way of thinking, but
there's a lot of things that I think need to go right. And heroic had these
drafts sometimes that they can, like, just get in their own heads a little bit, I
think, and maybe focus a bit too much on very specific counterpicking or what
not. But I just think in a vacuum, the dire line-up just has way more intrinsic synergy
with itself, like saying, you have the slaughtered tiny, we just saw that, how good that is.
You have three good carriers for Inkswell, you have really good teamfight around Phoenix,
great heroes to play with for everyone. I can just see, like if you make like a matrix
of potential plays, I just see VP having them everywhere, and then you look at Heroic and
it's like, what is there aside from Cobbl?
The lineup is cool looking though. It's different.
It's different. And I'm not gonna write them off and that's the thing that's where...
You already did.
No, I didn't.
You did. You said you hated them.
The thing that's cool about Dota is that when there's lineups that you either don't understand or that are really execution heavy,
there's always just, you know, the chance of, like, brilliance, right?
And I think it is entirely possible that Heroic play a really stable laning stage.
And well as they are right now, Sabralite is actually getting first blooded by a Zeus life-sealer lane here
with the protection from...
A classic combo.
So that's a great start for them already.
Caudal is going to free farm against Sanking as the panel established, so that's also good news.
And your tide should have a good lane here, in contrast to a tide we saw earlier today
against the Lowentrend Venom lane, which was a disaster.
So they definitely have the building blocks of getting out of the laning phase and having okay conditions
And then we just need to see the execution of, like, how it all gonna come together.
The biggest upside out of everything for Heroic Straf is it's a very good life stealer game, I think.
That's like the biggest plus for me.
The matchup against Tiny is good.
Your laning phase with Zeus, now that you're off to a decent start here against the Slardar, I think you're gonna be fine.
And...
You're playing well around, I want to say, the type of teamfights that Tide wants to take, which can sometimes be a little bit drawn out, so there's like, definite pros to that pick in particular.
I mean, I don't know if you agree with my whole perspective on this, I find this a very unusual strategy.
Of course, that's what I like about it. It's unusual heroic. I don't know if it's good. No so far so good
They're up 1k they got four bounties those that comes with an asterisk. Yeah, I mean, but you're right
This is a overall very good life stealer game
Good against the egg good against tiny saying King not very good against Slardar
I would say it's generally the lane that's the problem and he's getting out of that just fine for now
It's actually stomping. I think fans embrace can be extremely annoying for life stealer
He does attack pretty fast though, but might have to force a BKB purchase for him eventually. We'll see
But some merits are going radiance manta. I think that's all sure get rid of haze get rid of the silence
Think that's would be okay
I mean do you prefer the radiance versus something like armlet deso I
I think so, yeah.
X is definitely a purchase, like, third or fourth at some point in the game.
You have three melee cores you're fighting against, so it feels like you're on the target to go in.
It's good, but at the same time when you're playing at specifically slaughtered timing, I think you might want an armor item before.
So maybe you go AC before X, maybe?
I don't know. We'll have to wait and see.
But yeah, I definitely prefer the Radiance to Armlet Deso in this game.
Especially when you have a good start like this. I think you just want to make sure you keep ramping your hero
You recognize that you're the centerpiece of the whole strategy and
As a result you should really be building for yourself
Radiance has the major benefit of you being against slaughter and tiny so the evasion is very good
So I just I like it a lot feel the poor
He should be dead here. No, he didn't get it
We didn't get to talk about Fly on Phoenix.
Classic.
He has played this hero forever, countless games on it.
It's the five of the patch and Heroic chose to give it to him.
That is a bold move.
And the top lane for now has gone quite well for himself as well as Tamato.
With that kill, it's pretty much even.
will save her life. Second death of the game, that did require rotation from Tylong.
Well worth it though. You want to keep your life sealer ahead. This is the best lane to gank.
Top lane doesn't need help. Tied against Tiny is a very easy lane to play.
You have two points in Kraken Shell. Every time he goes to try to hit you, you can just anchor, smash him,
and effectively mitigate almost all of his damage. And carry Tiny's will always want to max tree grab for farming,
And therefore they don't really pose much of a threat to you with their like the magic damage component of the hero
so
Yeah, I'm specifically about Zeus
It is like AJ so support Zeus and Inc's mobile eventually hit here
Damage room though. So
Could have been a bit worse. Yeah, how screen gets credit for that one
Well what it's there to say it's a very it's a very binary hero right all it does is magic damage and
It's whether it's played as a support or as a core you are
Utilizing just ramping up your damage because you can't really do anything else
Sometimes you can get a defensive item like glimmer or four-step when you're playing as a five I guess but
Yeah, it's it's weird to me
It's it's the it's like the biggest odd one out in the draft out of everything and
And I think part of the reason why the lineup looks a little bit odd
So I'm looking to see
If you had to guess what role let's say Zeus was a thing in this patch. Yeah, what role would it be?
Would it be support or would it be mid? Oh, hang on. Saberlight's gonna die again here. I don't think he's making it out
There that that's even better than killing him. He TP'd back to base as well
So really, really struggling here, Tyla.
They look great shrines.
With another great move.
I mean, this is very good news for Heroic.
I also would like to say that I think it's necessary.
I feel like it's mandatory for their lineup to get ahead,
if it wants to play to the high execution that I was talking about,
that I think the lineup has.
This is a great start.
And the biggest part of all of this is Slardar's in the absolute bin.
Holy shit, SaberLight, it's nothing.
We're seven and a half minutes and he's leaning into life stealer. This is a counterpick and he is oh and free
It's a good time there it gets tossed back though into fly
The TP should be good to go. It's nice of them to at least force that
But yeah 3k lead here
And that that's what I was talking about this with this strategy, right like
even if the lineup inherently has a lot of I would say pitfalls then if you play
exceptionally well in the early stages and what it's good at you can make it
look easy and so far that is exactly what heroic are doing so they're doing
everything right in their sidelines and the caudal rotations in particular from
Taiwan both are involved and really useful that's Bush whacked and the
Illuminate deletes him and a nice stun on the fly mid flight
That's too dead and heroic. It's all heroic 4k lead very early
It just doesn't matter if you're this much better, right?
so far at least I
Think even in a vacuum this bottom line went way too well for life
So before coddled and like life stealer Zeus kills slaughter in a slaughter grandstruck matchup
Remember the last time we cast Saberlight, I had chances to hold that pot?
I do remember that. I think he's in a bit more in shape now.
Pops up, they will get the watermelon man, so good rotation from VP. They need a lot more of that though.
Took four of them. Yeah, the last time we cast Saberlight, he was standing in after just being fully on break.
For liquid, I think, right?
Was it liquid or was it tundra?
I feel like it was liquid.
I actually don't even remember. It was it was not a very memorable. Oh, it was Falcons
Falcons, yeah, yes, then they replaced him with corrosive. I think his name was close enough corrupted
Corrosive is Slargar this game. Okay, that's probably what inspired you, but
That's right. They played with corrupted after but yeah, say it or I hadn't played builder for like a week or whatever two weeks
He was very much not in shape for playing elite level games, and they just needed to stand and he said yes
So, I mean, I don't really put much stock in those games, it's just what it is.
Oh, another invasion here, off it.
It's thunderbolted, and now slowed to a crawl, illuminate, just hits him.
I got the D1 before he died.
Better than nothing, I suppose, but that one hurts.
Saberlight, attempting TP, no cancellation.
Ooh, that was close though.
Hmm
Remember how in the last game when
When we were talking about sorry and I said this hero is so good when it starts gets up
And it's very important when you play lanes that you can just play in the wave and just stabilize and farm
This is the exact opposite of what happened in the game that we just watched with it
Which was a total pop-off performance by the way
This is really really tough to recover from like this hero just saw this when it's this far behind
That's Tomato trying to get something to work onto Whisper, Abed with an epicenter onto nothing.
He killed the creep camp.
That's true, technically. Not nothing.
Tomato gonna get run down under his own tier one. This is such a disastrous start for VP.
Keep in mind both these teams coming in one and one.
Yep.
Let me look at who they actually played.
So VP, they lost to Betboom 02 and then 2-1 Tundra.
Yep.
And Heroic, they also 2-1 Tundra.
Everybody's feeding on the Tundra.
They lost O2 to ParaVision as the dive from Fly.
TP's are coming though, that's the first egg of the game,
but here comes the Life Stealer and that is a dead Phoenix.
Nice heal from Kautil, Tylong keeping Jungles alive here.
Seeing Tylong go for the Travels Vessel, which is standard.
Into Yule's next, that is a little bit uncharacteristic, so that's interesting.
Obviously gives him some defensive potential against a lot of this chase down that some enemy heroes have.
I think it might be Overkill in the move speed department.
No, now with this new innate, you might not actually end up really needing the move speed on the Yule's, but...
Man, I... what a dream start.
Like this is so important that they're up 6k, um, and they're, this game could just
easily get completed.
I didn't want to say anything, but you did praise VP's line-up and you hated heroics,
and I knew what was coming.
Last series present anomaly.
You're cherry picking though.
You're cherry picking now.
NA seems to be immune to you, which is good.
What I will always say is, when you're running mid-caughtle, this is always a possibility.
If mid-caughtle has a good lane, and the first moves are successful,
I think this hero can snowball almost any game, almost with any teammates.
As long as its own lane is good, and early moves work,
then you can get to the spot with tons of different lineups and heroes.
The thing that's the biggest surprise to me is how well bottom went,
and obviously the caughtle rotations amplified that,
but I just don't think Slardar Grimstrup should ever die in the way they did.
Or specifically Slardar Grimstrup hasn't died, but that losing that lane
very early on was extremely pivotal.
It's the position that we're in.
Tomato.
Yeah, push whacked in, illuminate.
There's TP's coming, but he is certainly dead.
Is there going to be any kind of wrap around here?
Abed, epicenter onto the call.
They desperately need this kill on the tie-long and they get it.
Whisper on the run, four versus one,
chasing him crush misses though and whisper is actually going to go for the
ravage hitting all four heroes into what exactly sold by now on to two with the
egg to follow double phantoms embrace that is going to be a dead tied hunter
eventually but it's been it is taking a lot to take him down finally the borough
comes in and that should secure the kill of the old of course so some way somehow
VP make that work? You're seeing you're seeing the problem as soon as Claude
will get isolated and kill him. They just have nothing in the tank. They end up
ravaging four heroes but they don't have damage and they don't have any
follow-up control or anything like that. So it's very... oh all right King
Jungles that's a little bit ambitious here trying to... alright he's just messing
with him he's not actually trying to take the wisdom. This is going to be obvious
level 12 so big damage improvement on his front that's a little bit of a swing
into this for a rogue fortunately their lead is so big that they can obviously
deal with this but again let's turn back time ten minutes in this game and
imagine that early things that came to pass did not go this way then what just
happened could have just been a swing that puts VP in control now that's
clearly still not at all the case there's still plenty of time for heroic to
snowball this game, but they got to be a little bit careful not to overstep like this. That was a 2k gold swing.
And that is going to definitely end up mattering unless they...
These are some juicy stacks, which can only assume that, I mean, Tide can take them, Caudal can take them,
even the Life Student idea's Radiance can take. We'll go, at least the hard camp, we'll go to the Caudal.
Yep.
You see that one neutral all glitched out having a little party
But if we were to get to later stages of the game do they have an answer for the life stealer
I
Think there's a little bit of an X vector in Phoenix in this game
because of how good Sunray is defensively. Like if you have bad matchups against Lifestealer
late in the game, I think what's most important is that you can outlast Rage because then you
can control him. And Sunray onto Tiny and Slardar and Sankin heals a lot. And if you buy items such
as PKBs or, you know, Glimmer, Pipe, whatever against the damage of Zeus and Caudal, you can
hopefully for them survive through the rage and then get stuff done. So I
definitely do think they have a decent shot. It is still very good conditions
though for Yuma. Also not the... I guess Phoenix can buy a hex potentially.
I will save her light, has his blink. See if this will help him find some kills
because it's certainly not going to help him farm as an egg placement is
tomato gets the avatars onto the squirrel theola core gets hit by the tree
it's not enough though with the Sunray just in range for fly as whisper shows
up just to steal a little bit of farm knowing that he almost certainly can't
be killed it would require four to five members of VP at this stage has the
mage slayer another illustration of the types of spells that use attacks instant
attacks making that very valuable and add that to the list
of course you got to be in range of the same king yeah typically here it's it's
just an overall really good item in this game so I agree with the purchase it's
going to get his blink now and then I would imagine consider shard into
San King slaughter seems very valuable he doesn't have it in quick buy for now
but wouldn't be surprised to see him change his mind into that it just seems
kind of straightforward
get the jump here into phoenix and sam king think they'll both get out here
maybe unless he pops ravage not worth the ravage here certainly fast in the
river that's a lot of damage on the anchor he will okay I stand corrected
whisper will ravage yep tomorrow in the tree line oh he stopped moving that's
right it's like say this line every great players kryptonite standing still
will never expect it Yuma wants to try to finish the jobs model will have to use
oh he gets bushwhack just in range and now he is dead that hurts a lot and now
Yuma, thinking about chasing into the base, I think better of it.
Just recognizing just how safe he is here, and yeah, taking over the enemy triangle is
where it's at.
You want to keep expanding your lead, you want to keep punishing the fact that Slaugner
can't really contribute much to the game.
He has got a decent amount of space here on Saberlight, but of course he's only going
to float the net worth.
It's not going to overtake Tide, Tide just farms faster, so if both heroes are having
equal games, Tide will generally pull out ahead, and this is not even fair, the conditions
that they've had, so.
Saberlight has this Blink Shard, which I think is admirable at 19 minutes with a disaster
of a start as he did have.
Oh, they might, this would be a huge kill if they could get it.
They can, that's a big chance.
Saberlight will be the one to die instead.
Not a shot at this stage, it is 8k in favor of heroic.
Mission failed, and then some.
Bob Ant's gonna get 8 toasts for his troubles, bushwhacked as well.
That's the burrow away in shame.
The holocore taking tons of damage to this Phoenix, says the egg is placed but not gonna
finish the job here.
Oh, you say that.
Wait, fire spirits?
Wait, fire spirits?
Okay.
I knew that.
Close, but as usual you're on the money with your damage calculations, you're very known
for those.
We'll get out just fine
So Yuma has the actually did go armlet in the end. Did you go radiance first?
I think I went armlet first armlet radiance, huh?
Interesting it's it's not
It's not that bad. I think it's very it's just a bit unusual isn't it regardless of the order
I think sometimes you go armlet radiance sometimes go vice versa just because it's such a high value
proposition for lifestealer since you have very good lifesteal you want the armor against
Slaardar and the tiny combo I just think that this is I would say this is the expected and
standard build for this game and what comes next is where I think you can deviate between
different options so he's going Sangen Yasha which I would not have expected I would have
expected them either the mount or the axe this is a good steal if they can get it all
The tide is starting to walk over and he gets a huge ravage on the four heroes, Saberlight and a lot of trouble.
Yuma closing the gap with the Radiance.
And this is going to be a free rush and all likelihood for Herok, but Tamato and company want to fight.
Saberlight, a miss crush. Oh boy.
Oh no.
As Ty Long taking a ton of damage, he kills off the Phoenix, but at the cost of his own life.
Toss back now.
And now, Tiny left alone.
As Yuma just munches on his bones.
I'll bet a little bit late to the party here. The epicenter might be enough to kill off KJ, but I'll bet
He'll likely fall afterwards. So it's a three for four and more importantly the Roche will certainly go to heroic now
Yeah, I believe they scouted the Roche attempt with Thunder God's wrath, right?
Surprise VP stuff around after all night. All right. That was a work
And Yuma will be rewarded with is it ages yep
Massage completed, Mosher on the way, and then Aggs will be next in the current Quick
By.
So yeah, you're going to see the replay here.
So this is a 4-man ravage, as you mentioned, really nicely done.
Now there's nobody comping with this at all, actually.
It's just buying enough time for other heroes to connect and stop the Roche.
And then as this pursuit continues, Caudal does get isolated and killed by Tomato very
quickly here.
tie-long as you saw on the bottom right but has to compromise his own position
and when spells are used lifestealer is king nobody in this game can stand up to
him in these situations so it's crappy fight overall but I like the attempt for
VP the roast just a little bit too slow yeah if they had another eight seconds I
I think they get that. In fact, even after the Ramy, I obviously, hindsight's 20-20.
After the Ravage, they could theoretically still finish Roche.
That would have been a bit crazy with the lack of information, but yeah.
I'm just saying, yeah, obviously.
But, now Heroic's sitting even more pretty than before.
Sange online for Yuma.
And he's gonna go for the full SNY, Abed. Scouted by Thunder God's Wrath, we'll get out though.
And whisper with a very early BKB on Tidehunter.
Yeah, it's interesting.
Don't see that every day.
Uh, I like this line of thinking.
thinking. That's a nice kill. Time long. Takes a tumble.
So what I like about Tide's build in this game, as we are killing Tiny as well, unless
there's some crazy things there. They're going to ravage just in case
more were coming. Nice hit.
Sharp shooter right in fly, but he TP's out. Saberlight just has to exit.
I like Whisper's approach a lot. I personally would have liked to see him by Shard and then
and do exactly what he's doing now, which is scale.
Recognizing that Caudal eventually is obviously
only gonna do magic damage,
and there might be some merit to scaling your tide
into being a teamfight threat as well.
So he's going into AC Satanic on the Offlane Tide,
which is a build we don't see very often anymore.
Almost always aggs.
Very cool.
But I think in this particular game,
this build makes a ton of sense.
It's kind of recognizing the limitations of the lineup and trying to cover them, so I like this a lot.
It's also, I mean, you mentioned Ag's being the norm. It's still a really good Ag's game. It's against three melee cores.
Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't disagree with it. I just think this is a nice adjustment to what your overall worry in this game
is that you run out of steam and that you can't like stand up to the enemy heroes.
But when you get AC, the armor in this game goes a really long way.
And the BKB covers everything else.
So he can very much so full frontline.
And their mindset between himself and life shoes seems to be
to let's just make ourselves as hard to kill as possible.
Like Sanji and Yasha into into eggs.
Zeus, speaking of eggs, now has his and more importantly, he got the shard.
We didn't mention from Pormater, so lightning hands on support, Zeus!
It's one of the best support shards in the whole game.
So good for farming.
Yeah, because the way Zeus plays the map is actually very farm heavy when you're playing support at this point at least.
There's a lot of downtime and you just want to hit creeps, but your kit is too expensive to farm with.
When you get lighting hands, you just hit fun jumble, so
It's a very welcome pickup for him
Yuma will be this is a nice move
Super easy kill and then it's gonna be death number six for the slaughter
They're doing this while you might see during the bot tier two, which makes this a way less predictable smoke
He's just full-on
Solo down bottom you might think maybe there's protection behind but he feels so safe given the matchups that he can just
play 1v0 down bottom. You gotta get burnt to crisp here by fly but I'll reset. Get some
good damage to the tower. Tasty treat and he's a thousand away from axe so jumping into
one of the aforementioned melee cores. Gonna be pretty high priority for Yuma. Doesn't
disarm of course anymore but it does do an extra attack now that it used to.
So doing raw damage always a great choice especially if you end up going for like a
data list or something like that later on.
No real need for MKB I don't think.
And most importantly a really big part of the infest is bridging the gap between Rages
which it will always be able to do unless you kill the hero.
So it's a really nice pseudo defensive item too.
You can both use it to hunt down heroes.
I hate his shard now.
God, I hate it.
Yeah, that's a gore storm, right?
Yeah, I hated that facet too.
Yeah, it's a bit weird.
Get rid of that garbage.
All right, inside of Tide he goes.
Oh, interesting, Whisper wants to go for the Satanic before the AC.
He is very, very high HP with a life stealer and in 4.5k at a minute 28k.
Whisper has 9 fish consumed just for everybody out there.
A lot of people were wondering.
True.
Got to keep track of those infinite stats.
He's very big.
And he took the 20 talent of Crack and Chill Cleanse, triggers Anchor Smash since he's
not going X.
We almost never see this town.
This was the one that was just completely broken when it came out, but it got fixed and nerfed.
Whatever you want to call it.
Both.
I think it was bugged and overpowered.
Yeah.
But since he's not running eggs, he can still go for this.
He's going to be playing up in their face.
It's just kind of inefficient in that play, I have to admit, though.
I think he's been infested for like 40 seconds, and now he's going to TP-1 instead.
to save King Jungles was already dead.
So a little bit of a,
honestly a pretty weak minute there for Heroic
that cost them almost 2K gold
between the Zeus death and just a wasted time.
But they were, it's an opportunity cost.
They were looking for a potential fight for their tide.
Oh, it's Abed and Yuma somehow dodging each other.
They're blinking across.
Fly spotted.
He is forced to egg here if he doesn't want to die.
I would think.
The silence onto the tide is gonna be KB.
It's gonna go for the Ravage, it's both supports, they clean up the Phoenix.
Hellscream looks to be next.
So two supports down and out for VP.
Nice and easy, and now it's time to siege.
Okay, it's time to invest Tide.
What is the point of this?
Oh, they find it.
A lowly Sand King, Abed on the other side of the map, not looking to defend quite yet.
Tile on, getting some help with the Nimbus.
The motto though,
That's bigger sight set, Thailand is just way too fast on that horse.
Saberlight's going to be spotted now, blinding light on him, a toast to hold him in place.
Into the bush, these supports are so annoying to deal with.
Epicenter combo though, they want Thailand beyond this procs, going to mitigate a ton of that damage,
but here comes the tree and that's going to be the death of the horseman.
But this cost them the mid lane.
The meantime.
Yeah, and the top lane still being pursued by Heroic.
They don't really give a shit about their caudal, apparently.
Well, what an unusual map positioning of heroes at 30 minutes in any kind.
This last 30 seconds has felt like a pub.
Yeah, exactly, really.
No, I mean, it did make a lot of sense what both teams were doing,
because you're also looking at it from VP's perspective.
Can they defend into the lifestealer there?
It's really hard.
So they were trying to cut waves,
but Heroic is expecting them to cut waves.
so Caudal finds the Slardar, but they are covering the Slardar with Sanking.
There's like a lot of levels to this, but unfortunately, obviously for VP,
while that was a cool play in the mid, they still lose their racks.
So, they didn't really feel like it was worth it, but maybe given the context,
this was the less losing play.
I think if they try to defend their base, they might just lose the game.
So, don't really mind it all that much.
Rosh is up, so if you can get a quick pick into a Rosh, that could definitely turn the
tides here.
They're only partially grouped right now.
Heroic, standing strong here close to, here we go again, infest number X inside the tide
hunter.
Ravage is now up.
This is a pivotal moment with the Silver Edge for VP. If they find an opening onto Whisper
and they can actually kill him.
Yeah, they're gonna go on top of Saberlight, they see Tamato, they'll have to pop the BKB,
gets the Avalanche on tip two, but Yuma with the Rage and now pursuing the Tiny. Harpoon
on to the low ground, Aubed at the center combination, into the Soulbite as well. Do
they have the damage? Feels like they're tickling at this point, but the Lifestealer
getting quite low. There's the Egg, there's the Sunray, Yuma trying to dodge it, but he
And, Fly gets the kill, and now it's a 5 vs 4 in favor of VP.
KJ, looks like he's going to go on the run into the pit they go as Whisper dies there,
and this is big for VP.
Get the avalanche now.
Oh my god!
Well, KJ deleted, and this is where they can definitely make a comeback.
Look at that net worth lead just get completely cut in half, and they will almost certainly
go for Roche now.
Yeah, that's massive.
This is in the context of how the lineups scale and where we're at right now, I think
this is close to an even game now.
And this was the one, again, talking about execution requirement.
This was the one thing that can't happen for Heroic, is that they get the lead, they enter
a fight, they get kited, rage expires, and then he dies on the life's of their end.
Once again, this is the price you pay for this itemization.
We're talking about the options that Yuma has here,
but when you go Sanjinyasha X,
once you come out of this,
you point it out, get the ghost on him, right?
He's just perpetually silenced here,
finally gets out of it, but then he's stunned,
infests his own cooldown.
Yeah, so this is something I wanted to bring up before that.
When lifestealers go aggs and then still go inside allies,
you're not gonna have the infest
a lot of times for the fight.
It feels like, why buy the aggs then?
Like the cooldown goes down, sure.
So if the fight goes long enough, you'll have it.
But he hasn't infested an enemy a single time yet.
I feel like Mantas just better this game, honestly.
And it's so easy to say when you see that fight unfolding,
you're like, man, what could have been if you had Mantas?
But I agree.
I feel like he got no value out of this purchase.
If you are indeed going to infest as initiation
because your lineup, that's a limitation that a lineup has.
It doesn't have catch.
So if you're going to start with an infest into tide,
don't buy X. Get the Mantas so that you have something
against the Grim Silence.
It's more tankability as well than the X,
so it's better value for money.
But he went Sanjinyasha, so maybe he didn't want to do that.
He could disassemble, though.
There's options.
But yeah, this could be very costly.
That was a 10K swing.
Gabe been still massively favors Radiant.
But keep in mind, this is the best win percentage
that VP have had since the game started.
The game started with 73 to 27, which
I don't understand how this graph works sometimes. There's no way this is a 70-30 game before creeps meet.
Like, what are you talking about?
I like how we just keep referring to this as if it's real.
We secretly know that this thing is literally random at this point.
Look, you can convince me that Heroics Draft, if played well, can be really good.
You can't convince me they win this game three out of four times on picks.
Yeah, all right, Silveratch, you have BKB though.
Guys, we'll pop it now.
Good to engage from the top.
You see, absolutely, very quick on the fingers there.
Three minutes on the Aegis, so much value they can get out of.
Obviously, the value's already there, just taking it out of the hands of heroic.
What would you say, if you didn't look at the, what do you think the one expectancy
is right?
I feel like it's fifty-fifty.
I'm there too.
In fact, I think VP might be slightly, it's like fifty-five, forty-five maybe.
Yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to that.
Just based on lineups alone, because I don't, I feel like Caudal has a core, papers off.
If Lifestealer wasn't having this good of a game, I would absolutely favor him.
Like that's, I'm at a point now where I think Lifestealer needs to like hard, hard carry
to win the game.
And I just don't think he has the right items to do that.
If you want a truly hard carry game like this, you need multiple things against Slardar Tiny.
Yeah, the axe is somewhat useful, but then you can't infest time.
That's also the whole thing about momentum, right? Like, it's one thing what state the game is in, do the teams actually recognize?
Does heroic feel strong at the right time? He's upgrading his dagger.
Yeah, he needs damage, right?
This is the problem Coddle runs into later in the game. It's hard to stay relevant forever.
So it doesn't give spell lifesteal anymore. What else was changed with this?
It's cast range.
Oh that's right. Cast range. It gives a lot more mana and a lot HP.
I think it's a good item on Caudal. Cast range is really good on this hero.
So I don't find it.
There's a lot of TP's coming in for Herok, but the Crush coming in from Saberlight onto Theolokor.
And now the Soulbind onto 2. Is there going to be a combo though?
As Whisper is able to take out Hellscream easily, Saberlight wants to finish off at least the support.
Another miss crush though, gonna go for the TV out as KJ caught on the crossfire. So it's a support for support
Lot of miss crushes from saber light. Yeah
What's the opposite of crushing it?
Platinum. Yeah, very very flaccid slaughter this game
That's not what I said, so BKB. Okay, so this is a different approach that I I don't mind. I think it's a
Again, what I liked in Manta, I think BKB to an extent offers something similar.
You can deal with Pays, you can deal with other things better with this.
So I do like this purchase quite a bit.
When you've committed in this direction, I think this was the best slot he could buy,
so I like it a lot.
And now what do you get next?
So Abyssal is queued up.
I guess you replace your Armlet for Abyssal.
And then it still means that you don't really have high damage items in your build here,
so you're heavily relying on Fist to do the majority of the heavy lifting, which is of
course good in the tiny matchup, but how fast do you kill the other heroes?
I think some late-game Life Stealer builds actually should get a heavy, hard-hitting item.
Daedalus. Yeah, but I don't know if he's gonna go there. I wouldn't I wouldn't have minded seeing that over a Bissell
But I think a Bissell is good too
Well, he'll get rid of the armlet eventually. Yeah, but then what do you do next?
Daedalus. Yeah, what do you replace?
What do you mean the armlet? Well you replacing that for a Bissell. No a Bissell. Well, I guess you just eat the eggs
Okay, so you're also getting sent. I mean this is expensive, but yeah
Sorry I'm used to turbo games. Yeah, it's fine. Always always queue up those speak of Daedalus
We've got the big hitting tiny
Lifestealer is not safe outside of even inside of BKB. He can still die if he gets hazed actually tiny hits like an absolute truck and
You've got pretty good armor the 35 on lifestealer
But haze is gonna cut 20 of that away, so then you're down to 15 or 18 excuse me
probably still okay and we haven't talked about sanking scaling but I I know
who I want on my team late game between sanking and caudal yep like this hero
becomes a monster at 25 and I realized he went back sure it's very nice this
game you it's probably the best item sanking can buy in this game state
against lifestealer you're just gonna guaranteed get a bash when you come in
with your ult with the stinger upgrade and if you keep heroes in place you know
that your supporting cast can get the job done. We're seeing the Dagon and
Tylon gets the last hit there. Zusalt plus the blinding light. And they had, oh they actually,
yeah, they had Nimbus, it's just used now. As Whisper runs into a couple. Dives and force staffs.
Yeah, interesting build on Fly here. The force lotus into late pipe
against the Zeus on the radio so he's going to get a lavage
and all the egg, yes indeed, to model with the break
Whisper has to pop the DKB in retreat, save her light
gonna have to use the DKB as well in exit mode
Whisper gets infested so
let's see if they actually want to fight but again no ravage, he pops a lotus
he's pretty healthy
that could have gone south very quickly
I think you also have the jam on whisper right open a huge kill and one more crit and tomato and that is but that's second
Time he's trying to go. He's solo ravage. Yeah a phoenix and I mean I think the earlier one was fine
I was like 20 minutes whatever 40 minutes to do that. That's I
Don't know I guess there's no objective immediately coming up unless you're unlucky with the Roche spawn timing
But you are obviously opening the door here for
The side of VP to go for smoke playing knowing that ravages down is a very big deal
Yeah, I mean if this is a fast Roche then Whisper would just won't have ravage for it
I mean he does have a fresher, but having to pop it now. Hmm. Maybe not feeling too good
He sold his boots by the way for this he's very slow now, it's pretty fast Roche 30 seconds
So they're gonna it's actually super awkward if VP go in there immediately, but they need to recognize that it's up to so
Heroic are likely gonna be okay here
Tide hit 25 by the way, he got the ravage stun duration, so that's 3.4 seconds.
A very, very meaningful upgrade here to 25, and do we have any other 25 talents in the game yet?
No, Whisper is the only one.
Tiny ends tanking both 24s.
Tiny is closest.
I wonder if he's going to take two toss charges of the Avalanche cooldown, I think they're both good here.
Well, they always are.
So, the...
Would you say this is one of the heroes that has the...
Like, there's a lot of heroes where in Protota,
they realistically have 125 talent, right?
You always take the same one.
I think this is one of the few heroes
that has ST here on both sides.
Like, they are both incredibly good.
Yeah, I would say Doom used to be that way.
I forget what the two are now.
One of them's...
And what are they?
It's tied to the axe right the break. Yeah, so it's mute and something else. He has mute or permanent scorch first
Oh, yeah, that one's also pretty good. That's yeah, the good choice whisper infested again. There's the ravage
They delete what man they hate him. He has five acts a release is gonna pull a nightfall
and you ma
No basher, so no way to stop that TP pretty good map control right now from heroic if they could find this
OBS that's nicely placed off to the side here. They would actually completely darken the map
But that is a very nice word to have right now from side of VP giving them information that likes it was entering the pit now
I mean pinged out by hell scream and let's see what the adjustment is going to be they will buy back fly and contest this
They're not going to let them have it. Yeah a buyback for a ravage effectively here. Yeah
Yeah, that refresher could be
Really crucial here
Smoked up, they find the jump, save or light? Blindly misses.
Yes, he does, and he does not have VKB. There's the second
ravage coming out, getting basically everybody, and now he's
infested as well as Hellscream about to drop, so that's too dead
for VP, and that means Roche almost certainly going in the hands of
Heroe. Yeah, he just went for the blind blink crush and hoped for the best
since their smoke broke. He made an educated guess on the enemy hero's position.
Unfortunately for him, they broke to the bottom left and not to the straight left, so if he kind of initiated for Heroic, which is, you know, worst-case scenario there, it's better to not jump than to jump and miss unsurprisingly.
But that is really, really important for Heroic to stabilize this game once more, getting this Aegis into their hands on the Life Stealer.
You could argue for buybacks here, I think, actually.
Yeah, no ravage.
But they are choosing to just let it go and try to find a kill on Tylong in return.
Tomato.
Not gonna find that one.
So, freebie.
He just a life stealer, cheese on Zeus, and refresher on Zeus, lest we forget.
Refresher shard costs 150 monots to use, so he can use his kit easily, all of it, 2 nimbus, 2 ults, and infest bomb on to fly, no buyback.
The hate for fly is real, 90 seconds.
Has a roche banner still.
So Sanke is now 25, all this damage has ramped up massively, Tiny is 25, took the two toss charges
And what do we have on the other side? Anyone close to 25? So Lifestealer got his, he got rage duration
Lifestealer's 25s are kind of underwhelming
When you look at those compared to what other heroes get and I understand if you gave him equivalently powerful ones
the hero would be absolutely nuts, like in extra seconds. Okay, it's like, but you go from six to seven and tiny gets
Like something doesn't feel quite right there
Up we go and with indeed with the chakra
Lacoste talked about this
Location low hold on on rage is very nice
To party the catapult denies him now
range back up
Lotus applied as well.
Keep chalk praying. He can use infet-
Actually, Infest is still on cooldown.
Very strong opportunity.
They're about to strike.
Do they have the damage for life number one yet?
That's a lot of damage coming out from Zeus in the meantime.
There's a whisper ravage coming through those.
Saber light pops the BKB.
Should be able to get back to base though.
No, never mind.
Life stealer was inside him the whole time.
Get the bush whack to hold things at bay.
Bay so they will get the barracks in the end and the Saber Light buyback comes
through as well. That was a very nice execution of the first kill but they
can't do it a second time over with the Tossback already used and everything so
nicely done from heroic they get a clean lane and a buyback on a core Zeus
didn't even use refresher in that, by the way, so still has that, can go for a, they
have an insane damage combo when they have two ravages and two zoosolts and
two nimbuses, they could just burst tiny, I think, even, almost between the two of
them. They use everything in clean succession, Tide has seven seconds of
stun, and he really likes to infest whisper. I guess how much status does Tide
have right now a tiny 20% okay so it's like done for give or take finally
get sick of this get talked back trying for it again not the same combo though
rages off everything this will effectively be mega creeps did they end up
getting that mid barracks completely it needs two heads from my head the creeps
actually just took it out. There's the tossback onto the Tidehunter. Little bit harder to kill with
the Sunray, doing a lot of damage into the egg as well. Whisper is definitely dead. 100 seconds
does have buyback. Saberlight trying to force something. Not to be quite yet a nice double
burrow strike. So you might have to pump a VKB into the right clicks. Absolutely destroys Abed
and now Saberlight another death for his name. And this is going to be tough to defend for VP.
They do have the buyback on to Abed with the epicenter still at the ready
They have two ravages in 10 seconds
Zeus did pop all his stuff there, but
This has to be bare minimum magas in a 5v4 with two ravages. He would think so
Tomato trying to hold this at bay. It is not looking easy though. They can't kill Yuma without corrosive haze
So this is whispered there's the ravage on to three
Going for a second one to finish this game. I'll bet with the last bitch effort at the center
Not nearly enough damage though and Gigi's called game one to heroic
Well a lot of back and forth in this one. Yeah overall though nicely play from heroic
A very unusual a very unusual strategy
but well executed, in particular the first 10 minutes of the game, instrumental to get you in a position where you can play like this
and you can even make a couple mistakes, let's be honest, and still stay in control for most of it, particularly really love the lives of the pick
and the caudal, they had to get creative with their last pick to make this all come together and it worked out wonderfully, so well done.
Game 1 to Heroic!
Yes, it is indeed and even though we liked I mean much like I think the commentators did as well
We like that VP draft it felt really solid and cohesive
Heroic can do this. They just pick creatively get these little funky picks in there and just make it work
Yeah, one good thing that they did have is they had a very strong carry to carry matchup
and they had a good amount of team-fight coming out from this refresher,
coming out from Whisper, who for whatever reason,
he did fly throughout the whole game.
I hear just solo ravaging him, trying to get a solo kill on him.
It didn't work out most of the time, but in the end,
it did work out for the rest of the team,
because this type of a draft is, I would say, fairly hard to execute,
but Ty Long did a lot in the first 10, 15 minutes of the game,
making sure that the lanes are gonna be going their way.
Yeah, and I think it's like Cinder and we're saying
at the end there, like they had to get creative with that pick.
A lot of the heroes that looked good were already out
and they needed a hero that did a lot of things.
And I think the only way that you can get that
is by getting something that's like a little riskier,
like caught all like,
if these early rotations don't go well for you,
then the question is like, who the hell do you play around
with like Zeus as your position five
and then two side laners that just want to chill and farm, you know, so it was very necessary for him to have a game like that.
Which I do want to talk about the Zeus for a bit, because he did 56k hero damage.
He did almost double the damage of, actually he did double the damage of his carry.
Yeah, he did seven times more damage than the enemy off laner who was last pick in this one.
Savorlight to dealing less than 10k damage in this one as a slaughter was supposed to be a good pick good counter
Against the life stealer, but never got the bull roll
whisper is
Incredibly good at tight hunter as well. That's that's always a factor. Yeah, just a menace this guy
Yeah, you put whisper on one of his like
strong heroes a mount of
The amount of like three or four man of rabbit time
time. It was it was so pretty and Whisper is really good at these heroes like Timber
Tide where they get to some sort of threshold where he just knows that he's unkillable.
So he puts himself in the most like obnoxious place possible on the map and in the fights
where like you have to deal with him, but you can't. So he sets up for his own ravages
by just being in front of you. It's a master class to watch and I'm so happy that he's
back on offline instead of doing this from mid. I mean even though like he did have good
performances from the mid lane, like he is a born off laner and glad that he's back,
like his performances were always one of my favorite off laners, gonna be slightly biased
here a little bit because there's always something to learn from this bro when you're watching
his replays, when you're watching his gameplay. And Virtus.pro, even though I think overall
they had a better draft, it's just the execution wasn't there, you've seen sinking stuns and
epicenters not connecting multiple times on the targets that they wanted to and they are running
out of damage like the motto didn't feel too comfortable fighting into life here having to
use a bkb to try to run away knowing that after bkb he's going to get ravaged so they put themselves
in a spot where it was quite difficult for them to make a comeback glad you mentioned the sand king
i think we had this at nine minutes where obviously sand king is going to go to the triangle right
under. Yeah, and he's, you know, farming up some stacks. This is one of those devastating times
you can die on a hero. Like this was pretty much the entire early game was just Taiwan running
around on Caudal, like terrorizing the hero that at that moment least wants to be terrorized because
if he's doing the same shit and he's killing position five, the value is just not there,
right? At that moment, the most important hero to be farming and then transitioning that until
like making space for his team, is the Sand King.
And I feel like this is, like Tylong was in the right place at the right time for the entire early game.
Then there was a couple of times he got caught out, VP had to come back because of that.
But it didn't matter at that point, because then all of the issues with the draft were already solved,
because it was early game issues.
Yeah, 21 minutes.
Yeah, I mean the team fight, the way there are team fighting looks really good on the side of Heroic.
They're fighting as a unit. This was exactly after they killed Tormentor.
A lot of the times you would see enemy team try to get a trade.
Even with Slaughter, they just didn't have enough.
So, Whisperer, once again, he goes in with the Ravage,
and he's ready to go just to buy a little bit more time,
provide vision, something that Janky was talking about.
This time around, Tylong, he gets killed,
but the rest of the team is going to be able to clean up.
They didn't have like this infest-bomb classic spirit type of a hero,
but they used Titehunter as a vessel to transport Life Stealer
in the middle of the fight,
and they're going to be able to clean up after that.
You see, like they didn't even scratch both of these cores.
Sure, you killed three heroes, but every single time,
you are losing way more out of it.
After the letter patches,
it still seems to me like Tide is a perfectly strong hero.
Like right as soon as the patch came out,
it was Tidehunter offline every single game.
And I don't know if it's in that position anymore,
but if you have a really good Tide player,
I feel like with the fish buffs and the Agatom Shroud is very strong,
like Ravage has always been great.
Monkey kind of always being banned, Ursa is not as strong as the hero and she was used
to be so people are trying to theory craft like how are we going to be dealing with this
hero and it doesn't seem like we're having an answer for it yet.
Yeah, well thanks gentlemen.
Time for a quick break, heroic to that one VP.
We'll be looking for a victory point in the next game.
We'll see you in a moment.
Ladies and gentlemen, you have made it to the greatest interview of all time.
This is Vertus Pro Fly.
Welcome my friend.
So good to see you back in the hot seat.
Thank you.
Yes, yes, it's been a minute.
I am very selfish.
I did request this because I love me some fly interviews.
It's a bit of an interesting situation for a viewer obviously, but it doesn't feel as
a team because you're here.
It's a great competition.
There's a lot of good teams to practice for.
It came as a surprise and we were just really happy and thankful.
we get a chance to compete against the best teams again
and show that we improved and stuff, so I'm excited for that.
So what's the vibes like?
Are you guys here to win this thing?
Are you here to just see how the practice can be?
What's going on?
I think we're in a good role lately.
It feels like we're improving.
We've been together for quite a while now
for a couple tournaments.
And overall, I think we hit a good stride.
I can't say we're going to win the tournament.
I feel like the top echelon of the tier one teams were still kind of out of reach for us.
Not saying we can't beat them, but we need a good day and maybe they have some slip ups.
Sure.
But I'm really hoping it would be amazing to hit top six for us.
That would be an awesome goal for us.
Hey man, if we make it all the way, that would be like a Bing Bong special.
I know Saber won Wallachia before, so he'll be carrying us to that one.
So that's what I'm hoping for, at least.
Well, that sounds awesome.
All right, well, let's talk about the last tournament.
Are mid-patch things OK?
I think, I mean, I'm happy for the patch.
I think the game was definitely the same
for a very long time, so I'm definitely happy.
I really wish it came one day later.
We needed just one map win or something
to have a chance at tie breakers.
And we did it like, it's a new patch,
so everybody's kind of on the same boat.
The patch did not help in our current mental state, I would say.
Yes.
I think there's a lot of cool new things.
Some other heroes finally are back in the meta,
not just the Kira Warlock every game, so that's cool.
Thank god.
The iconic fly Phoenix is kind of back a little bit,
so pretty hype.
Yeah, the Phoenix is still goaded.
I'm pretty sure everybody knows, so that Phoenix is still
probably one of the best Paws 5.
So I'm not sure how often we're going to get it,
but if I get a Phoenix, I love it.
I mean, free win, as far as I'm concerned.
But anyway, all right.
So I did want to talk to you a little bit about how open you
are to your team's faults and improving on them.
The cool thing about having a good team structure
is that it's easier to spot mistakes.
And it makes it easier to correct things.
So now that we have a better structure, I would say,
for ourselves, in terms of how we want to play,
what heroes we want to play, how we want to play the map,
all that stuff is like, we have an overarching idea.
between all of us. Now we're like, okay, we lost this game because X, Y, Z. So yeah, last
tournament our laning was exposed by the tier one teams. Like we played Aurora, we got
smashed in lanes, like games just over at minute seven. We're like, okay, done. We can't play
the game from this point. So we go back. We started in like more lane practice. We make
sure we watch our replays, watch our counter parts from like the better teams. So like,
whatever, you know, I would watch some white man pure lane and be like, Hey, tomato, maybe
we can replicate this or that.
It takes work.
It's a lot of not just mindlessly playing pubs.
You actually have to look at what you're doing wrong
and try to actively fix it.
Usually you'll do it worse in the beginning,
but then it gets better.
That's usually how it works.
I do have to ask you about your legacy in Dota.
I mean, you are truly one of the unks that can still play.
There's a lot of guys out there.
I'm not trying to name names, but a lot of these guys
are moving on to coaching now, puppy, et cetera.
But you're still in the thick of it,
and you're still fighting really hard.
And there's only a few that are still around in that.
I think it's you I'd put in there.
Saska has been around for a million years.
No one.
What makes you capable of this?
It's hard, man, I'll be honest.
I think it's you kind of just have to be very open-minded,
and you have to play a lot.
That's the reality.
I think that's the hard thing about getting older,
because you might have other things in your life,
or maybe you're married, maybe some people have kids,
I don't know.
And you spend less and less time on playing the game,
less motivation, and you get worse, naturally.
I really don't believe older players
are just worse mechanically.
I think they can still be amazing.
I guess no one is a great example.
He's still like, dumpstering kids
left and right on the mid lane, right?
What do you think that you would do post-Dota?
That's always a tough question, especially in eSports, it's such an unknown space in
terms of where you continue in life.
I do enjoy talent work more than I do streaming, realistically.
There's no real clear pan for now, but I will say talent work has been fun, casting is
fun, paneling is also fun.
Well, if VP continue their current trajectory I'm sure it will be many decades before we will see you retiring
So may it not happen
Maybe see that continue and may you do the Wallachia special of just somehow
Destroying everybody as the guys who weren't meant to be here. So fly always a pleasure. Thank you so much for your time
And thank you guys for watching you're gonna see more of mr. Fly and the boys from VP right here a PGO of the Lachia season 8
Yes, so Fly there, don't have to retire just yet, he's got more to think about of course
because he's in the middle of a series, he needs to spread his wings and elevate the
game of his team.
But yeah, I like that he's coming for your job, not mine, so it's more than welcome
Fly.
Yeah, and that's why I want the Virtus.Pro to do really well.
I think VT has got this one guy, the Virtus.Veta.
So yeah, you can see as well, this little flashback to what you may have missed just
before we get into the draft.
Closer game than it, I was expecting given how the early game went.
I will say, like VP had some comeback there that makes me think like perhaps despite Tylong's
amazing early game that the second game should be a lot more competitive.
But yeah, his early game rotations on a weirder hero than what you would expect for a mid laner on this patch.
They needed to pull us out and he needed to perform with it.
And he definitely did. But it's just to go back to the point about what Jenkins made.
Stealing jobs.
Stealing jobs, with Federer stealing points on panel as well.
It's more about, I would say, because starting the start that they did have in the first 10-15 minutes, the game still looked close.
I think we've seen the same thing happening in Spirits.
That one Tidehunter just fed like 5-6 kills.
And they were still able to punch back in most of the teamfights as well
with the Tidehunter getting like 3-4 mana ravages as well.
So this early lead, it does seem in this patch,
it doesn't matter as much as long as you have like good teamfight.
If you get out to mash them in the teamfight, you're still going to be able to do well.
Mm-hmm.
Damn, that is very interesting to me.
the first phase Invoker?
I was I'm more looking at the puck ban, like it's they for some reason wrote
just thinks that VP is going to default to going for a bed puck on game two when
they haven't picked it once in this tournament.
Perhaps it was banned in those games.
Perhaps there's like scrim knowledge that's that's there.
But they do go for the the all bed pango potentially.
Yeah, I will say, Heroic, they do get deep into the weeds with their theory crafting,
you know, we've been privy listening in to some of this stuff.
Last Vlahi a day with the people that were bringing Viper to the table.
This leaves one big hero in the pool that's Batrider.
This hero is just insanely good.
It's good against the pango throughout the whole game, because you have Lasso, it gives
you ability to kill him, and they're going to snatch it.
This hero is highly contested, they were 90% contest straight for a good reason.
there be a patch that Batrider is not?
It doesn't seem so, because the toolkit of this hero is just too good.
Repositioning tool, BKB piercing ability, insane amount of farming that he does just feels too good.
Five seconds remaining.
Yeah, he's very strong.
And the big advantage that Heroic has over other teams is that they have whisper as their offlaner,
and he is the man who would play Batrider, you know, grandmaster tier when nobody else is willing to,
and teams would still ban it because they were so afraid of how specialized he is.
Of course, you can run it as the soft support.
That's very strong and more likely to happen for most teams in this patch.
But when you see Heroic and you see Whisper and you see a Batrider,
you know it's like 99 percent going to go on him.
So what are we looking for for Teola Korra?
I would say Tusk is probably the hero if they want to be running.
But then you're also revealing immediately that your Batrider is going to go to the off lane
if you're willing to make that trade happen straight away out of the phase.
But I do like Tosk in general.
I think this hero, pretty similar to what you said about the Batrider.
I don't remember last time when Tosk wasn't a good hero.
I guess Rubik is also fine.
It's less sick in the lane because you don't have this one-two punch of melee ranged, but
you have two really strong heroes.
He's stunned and he can pull back into the bar rider spells as well and then a hero that can, you know,
steal pango roll potentially in the fights.
But if they could get the toss, I don't see why not because you can also
throw the shards down and block pango roll. That's pretty annoying for him too, depending on how you position that.
It gives you play options against the pango ult. How do you feel about the rim?
Double Lasso. That sounds pretty good, something Pango really hates to play against, his leash
mechanics, silence. As long as you can be annoying against Pango, if you're the one
who's getting the initial jump, I'm definitely down for it. And of course, Double Lasso throughout
the whole game could be insanely good. Good call, Richard. That's what we're making you
the big bucks. I mouthed to him, I said, and he's like, he stole the point. That's actually
PGL just pays a dude to like to tell me it was for your ear. Yeah, that's a clock usually don't listen
That really good pick for sure like
leashing pango in a role is one of the most
Devastating and knowing things in the game and it makes me question, you know double-ass is definitely good as you mentioned
but what's the I
Like to see a little more with grim like you need it. You need when people pick grim right now. There's like it's tiny
there's the
All these heroes are putting the bubble on and maybe something else to double down on
Hmm. I mean sure whisper so far he hasn't played those heroes, but
Let's see if this bad rider if they want to be playing it as a core or if they want to sneak in the tusk we talked about
And then have another strong like us still sounds really good. Yeah, you have multiple BKB piercing abilities
This is something that makes your draft easier to play you always have like
For example these type of drafts are usually just like glass or somebody into snowball punch
It's a lot of control right now. They have no saves whatsoever on vertus bro
So whoever gets dragged into the enemy team most likely is gonna die
How is weaver versus pango? It should be pretty good, right?
Like in in in the game matchup because I feel like against the supports of VP
It's good. Yeah, you see Venom answer you see shadow demon we were definitely over sounds pretty bangin
Even though we were like in the games that I've seen so far at Valakia. I didn't look too good
It's look kind of shit now because as the as the build
No, the build is still the same. Nobody's going for Mjolnir anymore
It's just getting that deso as soon as possible fighting with the team
Maybe mage slayers a thing like the people could try
Because I do agree that it does it does feel like the builds on weaver
Seem a little outdated compared to a lot of the new meta stuff people are doing on other heroes
So maybe there's some like exploration to be done there
Okay, or they can just go for tiny, you know tiny grim stroke as we talked about
such a free lane and
It doesn't seem like there's any carry matchup that really
destroy his tiny even the life stealer it seemed good but it didn't devastate him
by any means still VP had a chance now I wonder if they would go for the life
stealer because it's also you know hypothetically good against Batrider and
Lane although I have seen that one very much so going Batrider's favor but I
know carry players will suggest the the life stealer against Bat even though
there is a BKB Persian tool on their side like you still have to pick something
Like you got to choose your poison in most of the game. Sometimes the pick is not the easiest one, but yeah, you have
That ability to do it and it is gonna be the one that you suggest to Jenkins going for Rubik instead
There are some okay spells to steal this game that thing like too crazy if you steal like Venom answer spells
You can also be very annoying obnoxious playing. That all sounds nice. It's nice
It's definitely nice even wards feel good just to provide vision for Rubik to get the extra bit of a farm
He gets the gpm enchantment something that we also didn't talk about is one of the reasons why supports feel so good
In this current meta is you have a guaranteed
Gpm enchantment so you can always get farm no matter what?
Jirocopter I'm trying to I'm trying to figure this one out because I mean I suppose
You're playing against two very squishy supports that will die to the flax like all of the
Mass a we damage that you're doing in the fights these supports will really suffer to it. I
Feel like that lane can be pretty volatile like gyro could absolutely shit on a bat, but
Gyro could also like feed a bat relentlessly to
So the advantage VP does have is they have a Venom in the lane with the gyro that really swings in
In the Venos favor, that's a really strong laner.
I want to see some Nightstalkers, some Dawnbreaker coming out from Bing Bonger himself.
I think he needs to have a hero that...
The one sounds bad.
That he can actually like have a good time, be slightly more active.
They're going to remove Slaughter, Slaughter, that have the lowest damage in the previous
game, but I guess this is also the combination between the two heroes, Slaughter plus pretty
much any carry removes all of that extra armor that tiny is getting.
Yeah, I like the suggestion of the dawn I'm trying to think is there anything
else that's really good. I guess a night stalker is not so bad it's something
that does very well against the like squishy supports and even bat writer I
think night stalker can do pretty decent against. You're blocking if you're
If you're blocking the enigma, you're blocking the primal beast from coming out because Rubik is so good at stealing their big channel ulti's that also counter their big channel ulti's because they, you know,
Yeah, also, like, I know he likes to play primal. I think primal is in a good spot for Virtus Pro, but against four of these heroes, it just looks so bad. Like, you can't play the game against them.
That's a little bit too miserable.
If they were going to go for one of the two, I would say it's more likely enigma in most games.
Because I know people consider like that's more played around the summons and the auras,
but against Tiny, your idol wants to just fleet in lane, so that's not really an option.
Like perhaps you're too afraid of picking Nightstalker. I'm assuming Dawn gets banned here,
by the way. This is like, because it seems to me, it's just so good.
It's 50-50. Is it a daytime or nighttime?
That's true, day or night, man.
Because Don Gyro is so strong.
Gyro wants to build an eventual satanic,
turn around to fight at low HP,
heal the foal with his side gunner,
and Don makes it so you can't fold to zero him.
So they banned the night man,
and now I think VP will pick the day man.
Okay, so they're moving stuff away?
Yeah, so it's all OK off lane off lane pango now you have mage slayer potentially two mage slayer bars
Even though I prefer if you have one two is also okay, it's not like you're getting
I don't know two Vlad's or two ac's or two urns back in the days when it didn't work
Okay, what do we suggest it will cost
Here yeah like queen of fame
game. No, wrong. Try again. It's Necro. It's Necro. That's right. It's right. It's
so bad against the other heroes. Well, it's good against Pango. It's okay. Yeah, that
is not going to. It'll never happen on our stream. I just want to see it so bad. We had
it like five minutes segment in the morning about five minutes segment on Necro. No Necro
is picked. You know, it's going to be a 10 minute segment tomorrow. Good. Let's do it.
to try to summon it. So picking San King into the like typical response we see to the San
King, which is Ember Spear, it's a hero that does well against San King and lane and buys
a mage slayer. But Heroic, they wanted another hero for going in and stunning. Like essentially
they needed an off laner because their off laner is like a pseudo mid laner and the whisper
bat rider. They've got another hero to play with the Grimstroke. Yeah, it makes a lot
sense to be fair I have my doubts about
Jarakopter as a carrier right now it just
doesn't seem as good removing the chop
shop ability from him means that also he
can be disassembling the items so he has
the disassembled normal items you don't
have that you know divine rapier that was
a bit less butterfly into swift blank if
necessary to have that upper hand and
carry to carry matchups in a lot of the
situations where you can stay one step
step ahead. Sanking, you said, like, into Ember, potential mage
players as well. If Sanking's the one who's getting the first
jump, he doesn't care about the mage player. So it feels like
if they get the jump and they have very good jump this game
with potentially double lasso, it feels really good. There's
no saves whatsoever on set as Virtus Pro. So whoever gets
jumped, I feel like he's just going to get bursted.
There is potential for VP to snowball out of lanes, you know,
like we saw in the, I was gonna say the speed series
because I've just got us a YouTube channel
and I had the Gamer Legion series
where he was Venomancer.
I do feel like this hero is a strong enough laner
that you can just like devastate lane
into like spilling over into everything else.
So that's potential.
All right, well, we're gonna find out
because we are ready for the action.
I'll throw you over to Sonsfam and Syndra.
What a delectable treat this game shall be
as we are paused so we can talk about what is to be
the heroic team versus Virtus.Pro team game two. Heroic beat versus pro. As you can see
in the top section of the middle area of the HUD, that little yellow rectangle, that means
they were victorious. It's not a rectangle. Go ahead. Well, it's an upset. I mean, what
do you mean? It's not a rectangle. Yes, it is. No. What do you mean? A rectangle has
four 90 degree angles. Oh, is it actually? Oh, now they look up close. It's not uniform.
You actually thought that was a rectangle your entire Dota casting career. You haven't noticed that it's diagonal
What is it then? I forgot what the shapes call me. Okay, then shut your mouth, huh? Okay
Why don't you ask chat GPT next time huh get get your ammunition ready you piece of garbage
Correcting me. What do you call?
With four sides see you're asking Gemini which is just a rhomboid
No
Quadrilateral man English is so stupid man quadrilateral. There's no way. I mean, oh, yeah, it's just isn't just a trapezoid that one trapezoid
You know a trapezoid trapezoid. I like that. So it's good
anyway
whatever
Very different game here that we've got in our hands. So heroic are
Going with something much more stock standard this time around their lineup has
You know, solid lanes, plenty of lockdown, interactive team fight supports.
Last game was much more of a unique strategy, I want to call it, and VP also more standard.
So, like, this is not one where we can talk a lot about, wow, these are crazy novel ideas that anybody is running.
We can talk about whether anybody is dying here. Looks like that is not going to be the case. They're going to disengage.
engage. But what I will focus on is VP are playing a ton of trademark heroes for their
players. Look at those Dota Plus levels on TV. 30 on Ember, 30 on Gyro, 25 plus on Pango,
and 21 plus on Hoodwink and Venom. There's no excuse about individual performance here
in terms of familiarity with heroes at the very least. And the man on your screen right now,
he missed a lot of spells last game. By what level was he on Slava? I didn't notice, but I think
that is already would be a very welcome site in this game would just be for
Saberleit to have a better individual performance I just think he played a bad
game the lane didn't go well he missed maybe we're we might just be bad luck
for Saberleit it could be two three games in a row now back when he played
with spirit for those two singular games and that'll comes no it was spirit
falcons I mean yes that's right it was doubling down are you serious spirit
Falcons, what's the difference? That's right. TI winners one way or another.
Yeah, they're basically the same people. Absolutely. Once you win TI, you're just another TI winner, you know.
Yeah, that kind of is true now.
And we're gonna see the mid lane Ty Lung playing
Sand King using his Egyptian set. Very important to point that out versus Abed on the Ember.
This lane matchup tends to just be a wash for the most part in current Dota, I would say.
Let's see if anybody can build a meaningful advantage.
I think if this goes something like 55-45, I would say nobody, like nothing special.
So far so good for Tylong though, doing a little bit better on the first couple creeps,
but imagine they'll both find just what they need here.
Abed, by the way, is going 1-1-0.
So it's different how people approach this lane.
We've seen embers go Flameguard level 1, but Abed is playing more into the Spangled
He's going to get first blooded here as the Olocor will tick out eventually, but the deny comes out from Whisper first.
So first blood goes to Heroic.
He'll be very happy with that because that's exactly how Game 1 started.
Yep.
Now the way that Abed is approaching this with the first level slight and kind of trying to put pressure, this is a lot less viable than it was earlier.
Slide of Fist got a pretty substantial nerf in 41B, which is the monocost level, one went from 60 to 75.
So the spam approach to beating Sanking is a lot harder, and I think that's why more players are going Flameguard.
But we'll see if he can somehow pierce through here. I think it's very important if you go this built.
You have to get a water rune at 2 and 4.
So if somehow Heroic could deny him that, that would basically give Ty Long a free time for the next two minutes since Ember can't.
But any pressure then, but regardless, he is looking very comfortable on the Sanking 15 for 2, is a great CS right now.
He's got every CS bar 1, no?
Pretty dirty.
Very good start.
A bar 2, there's 2 to 9.
You're not getting harassed a bit in the Gébot lane.
So, in terms of the carry matchups here, what are your thoughts? I mean, we've seen a lot of Tiny in this patch.
Not a whole lot of Gyro though.
Yeah, the Gyro one stands out to me a little bit. I don't quite follow.
the logic here of why it's a good gyro game. I think it's just comfort more than anything.
The carry to carry matchup against Tiny I think isn't great. I think this hero really struggles
with displacement, which is you're playing against Batrider Core, so that's going to be an issue.
But the lane with Venom is of course very, very good. However, Batrider tends to
disrupt like historically just or stable lanes because he doesn't play by the rules.
Sticky napalm is just busted like this ability has always been the reason Batrider is a pro hero
It's that spell last so it's like a luxury for me
It's always been the napalm that dictates whether bet is good or not and speaking of he's actually pulling tomato
Massively tops gonna kill him. Oh my oh
Fyolokor as well, but it's a trade that VP do not want to have to make
So again not off to a great start for VP
We'll see if this snowball is for Heroic again, but again, last time around VP did make a
pretty sizable comeback, just weren't able to hold on in the end.
I do think the big difference here though, is if we get to a similar game state, I just
think Heroic's lineup is way more stable.
So if you're ahead by say 6K in the mid game, it's going to be harder, relatively speaking
to last game, for VP to find that type of fight.
So we'll definitely be looking for, if Heroic get in a similar position, I just think they're
very comfortable.
Also, in fairness, on average, they're just a better team, which we haven't really talked
about that much, but in terms of results and overall how much of a splash they've made
on the international scene comparatively, Heroic is just the favorites on paper.
In any even game, I would just generally favor them, and when I say even, I mean both draft
and uh...
golden at our golden experience
well we'll see if vpkin i mean they've been having pretty good results though
and they've been beating some really good teams at times just not consistent
yet of the main issue
in terms of pedigree that these players have played on
huge stages before so i'm not worried about
that at all op-ed
can you get telekinesis back into the sand storm and now walking uphill
will be met by house cream
that's a very good move though it's not very often you see the five ganking mid
like this uh... at five minutes it's usually
centered around ruins
will stay alive here he also has stick and fairy on obit so he should be okay
he really really wants to get a little six before he teepies to base though
tylon will see
nothing else is going to farm everything here
But yeah, as expected, either player will get a little bit of an advantage.
I would say this is a bit more sinking-sided than I was thinking, but also, I think this is the price you pay when you go 2-3 on Ember in this match.
I think you're more likely to draw with Flameguard, but then that comes at the cost that if you're looking to rotate, well, then you don't have high levels of slight change.
So, that's a give-and-take, and I don't mind this. I think if you can get this result, a lot of the time it's actually going to be decent, and it's unlocking place like this one.
Indeed as KJ gonna run under the cover of the tier one telekinesis, but Bushwhack should ensure the death
Pups the fairy fires actually stays alive as a result. I long. Oh, it's off the borough, but I'm still remnants to spare for Abed
I'm surprised that they have not picked storm yet, Cinderan
How often have they picked storm for Tylon under the mill?
Boba. I don't know how much they've picked Storm in this tournament, but the last time
I cast VP they did pick Storm. And I laughed. Because I love memes. Memes are good. Tamano.
We'll have damage with the rocket barrage, but he is the one that's in trouble. Ink's
well hits. And now the right clicks of Whisper and Company are enough. TP canceled as well.
So that's two deaths already for the carry on the VP side.
Meanwhile, Yuma is going to get backstabbed here a bit.
Not sure how much kill potential they have without a third.
He's laughing.
He's out of mana right now, Swashbuckle.
And looks like they will be able to clean him up.
So double kill for Saberlight.
Much needed for him.
Oh, no, I understand why he's laughing.
Go ahead.
No, it's just funny because he has camera shot.
He's like getting backstabbed by three heroes after he kills the creeper, he's just always laughing.
But I guess he was laughing at the fact that why are they prioritizing this when there's wisdoms,
and their gyro just died top because Venom rotated, so I think he's just laughing and it didn't make sense to him how they were playing it.
And I was gonna say, I think leaving Bat alone against gyro is illegal,
but obviously Fly did get a decent trade off with the two kills down bottom, but in the big picture,
I do generally worry for teams when Batrider is in this position at Minidate.
I think you have to prevent this from happening in any way that you can.
Given that Bat has zero Bat matches in this game like that.
Like, you can argue Ember is like,
Oh boy, a little dicey, but...
Abed takes off the silence, gets stunned though.
There's the Inkswell, runs out here.
Abed is in a decent position now with the damage rune.
Yeah, some will costly death though for Tylum.
After going to that bot lane.
He's still breaking even with Ember.
Yeah, he is.
He's going to get gone on now though.
Bushwhack hits, does have burrow, but another slight will do the job, not even needed, Fly
gets the tick.
So a second death in a row for the same king.
It seems like a very elaborate change of overall strategy from the between game one
to the playing a lot more around Abed here since he's playing a spirit hero
and obviously Fly and Abed have done this for years put Abed on a spirit hero
gank his lane true muscle memory very strong generally a very good way to I
mean whatever way you slice it when you're playing with Ember you want
interaction like either you come to him or he comes to you but you don't play
separated for for a long period of time especially when the lane opponent is
Sand King who is a little bit slower and needs some build up time. You want to either
Pressure him in his lane or you want to take advantage of the fact that he can't match
Ember's pace until he gets blinked. So
This was a good sequence overall from VP putting them at 7 and 3. The gold is still even because badrider is forfeing everybody by a thousand and
Whisper is
Terrifying. He is so good at core. I mean I feel like it might be the best one in offline
Any hero that he gets off to a good start on becomes super scary. Yeah, he is such a beast
Makes so much space for his team level six now has the drums
You're not gonna complete the bongo boots completely
It doesn't look like it in his quick buy. I don't I feel like they're I mean they're good against Venom
But that's the only thing they're good against or not good against ember. I
Well, I say that, it's actually decent against Pango as well, before you get controlled by the rule.
KJ gonna get taken out here?
I very much like that he doesn't upgrade them. I think it's a little bit overrated personally to go boots of bearing when you're playing Corbat.
I think it's very nice to try to get a bit more ambitious.
Maybe he already has...
Oh, that's right, there's no recipe anymore for this.
So it's Ring of Terrace, so he is actually working on the boots.
Well, he did buy the tranks first.
Excuse me, the Perseverance first.
Oh, I see.
So I think he's finishing...
Wait, is he...
Oh, so he wants the Perseverance and then the ring.
Okay.
I thought he was gonna finish the Lotus and then think about it.
This is a little bit of a mix.
Interesting.
Well, he can kind of do whatever he wants.
Because nobody's up here.
That's right.
Absolutely nobody wants to be seen near Whisper at the moment.
Level nine.
Can you think of an Offlane bet that holds a candle to this guy?
Like there's very good other core bet players, but like specifically Offlane, nobody comes to play.
I'll be honest, I was really excited to see him in the mid lane.
It worked out at times, but just not, it just didn't feel the same.
I could see like the idea of him working in the mid lane, and maybe with more time he could have, but...
Yeah, in the Offlane, he's disgusting, Yuma.
He's gonna be found though.
That's a good move.
Good avalanche, but he is super dead.
There's the kill, we'll go to Hellscream, so a lot of support kills, feels like from VP.
It's not terrible, getting that worth on Hoodway.
Come on out, getting lassoed, he shows in lane which means that he is in peril.
There comes Saberlight though, faking out the rolling thunder and that'll help keep the gyro alive at the very least.
They had to rotate or he's dead.
but is not going to be afraid of taking the fight to the Giron Tower.
Still though, VP overall successful, they take the kill, they take this tower as well.
And the net worth distribution among the course is very, very different to last game.
This time around, Saberlight has a much better game on his pango, so that's where we wanted to see.
He's 2-0-2. You've got the Ember at the bottom of the charts, Abed, actually.
and sixth in spite of not dying he's behind clearly behind everybody else but
tiny also not a hero that necessarily thrives in the lower half of the course
so overall I think VP in a pretty good spot here I feel like gyro is one of
those fun heroes to look at with itemization where I really wonder what
dictates every player just has a preference is my yeah with crystalist
versus acts versus do you get like I feel like the falcon makes a constant
more or less
that's always we have a call down towards the top side as the gyrocopter
taken out first so that is a big kill again for her a third death for tomato
who rolling thunder just outside of range there to find whisper that would
They've been a huge pickup for VP, but they do get two supports at the very least, so it's not completely one-sided.
That's pretty even.
Yeah, Whisper will finish the Lotus first, so he's bypassing the Tarask.
Yeah, wants Lotus against Slychains, wants it against Gale.
Just a high value item here.
I think it's going to be quite telling what he does after this, with or without boots of bearing.
Like, do you just go into mobility? Do you get really big items? Or is it just going to be Blink BKB, for example?
Okay, at the center.
Center, combo, and do they have to lock down? It looks like it.
Big kill on the AWB now. Push. Or the sniper, rather.
Not enough damage to take Tylong out, just TP's out in the midst of the sandstorm.
Pigeon now has a little bit of a
Sniper scope here
Yeah, this is what can happen to ember when you go this build right if he has level 4 flameguard. He doesn't die there, so
They take advantage of that
And of course one of the big winners in all of this is just Yuma gets to breathe some more here
Nobody are tracking with tiny at all
Should be finding some quite good farm down bottom
As I say that flies actually on the way over with an in-biz room and they could chain stunning here with pango
In just a second here
Yeah, the squash buckle plague where doesn't quite block human out on the run
You're gonna attempt to TP rolling thunder. Ooh, just out of range
Hey, I think I think you have to if you want to go for that kill. I think you have to
to roll up earlier.
Not again.
The motto, all alone in the top lane.
We've seen this before,
except usually not this many heroes needed to take him out.
And that's just as insult to injuries,
zero and four for Tamato.
But like you said, this feels like a strategy
that VP is like, they're purposely doing this.
So leaving him here alone, he knows that it's scary.
That means that something has to happen here.
No more rolling thunder, of course.
Oh my God, the avalanche hits four heroes.
Mass TPs now from Heroic, Sharp Shooter hits.
Do they have the damage? The Soulbind now on to two.
They finally take out Yuma, but how much is it going to cost them?
Ink's well hits, that's two dead, and likely a third to follow
with if you count the Gyrocopter kill, that's four kills across the board.
Yeah.
For the Tiny.
I agree. It does look like a purposeful strategy.
I just don't agree with it.
I don't think you can sell Gyro this hard in this game.
I think he's just never going to matter.
If you throw a tomato this hard to the wolves and it's a matter of is he playing the map wrong by being up here
Should they be protecting him with the support? Could you maybe play triangle slash right side since you have you know?
Crystal is like maybe good farm there, but ultimately
This is a big part of why tiny is so good is that the amount of effort this kill takes that this wasn't bad spellcasting by VP
They hit everything it just doesn't die until the very end
You know a 10 second kill next to the tier 2 is gonna prompt the response
And this trade easily favors heroic overall, especially considering tiny's net worth isn't even high to begin with
so
Gonna be an interesting game to see unfold now that both carries are having pretty bad games
Jaros zero and four tiny zero and three
So they're both more or less at the bottom of the core is in general
All scream will be found by the all the core that is a five pill streak ended a lot of money in the pocket
I didn't realize how much Abed was struggling.
Boy, oh boy.
I mean, like you said, Tamano has the four deaths, but still, 1300 more farm than Abed.
Yeah.
Jeez.
And like Lacoste mentioned on the panel, he was hoping to not see Pango and Ember both
go mage flair, but they did.
And I agree with that thing.
Oh man, another death for Tamano.
He needs to stop.
Like this is not, this cannot be a winning strategy to play like this.
There is no way you can do this over and over.
He's working ever so slowly towards that Agonyms sector, halfway there now.
Like the other thing is, okay, sometimes you rationalize that you're not playing the right
hand or the safer side of the map because somebody else takes the farm, and yes, somebody
is taking it, but they're not a higher priority than you.
It's not more important that Pango gets his next item or that Embraer gets something in
this area.
Gyro needs to ramp up big, and they're just completely selling him.
I think at this point, Jarom might just never recover.
Like, this is really, really a tough spot to solve for him.
Swashbuckle on King Jungles, he's gonna be tough to catch.
Savorline, looking to start things out.
Whisper in the area, they're gonna...
Ooh, he gets stuck in the wall!
Oh my god, that feels awful!
And he's still stuck in the wall!
Completely!
After the slower our game, that is time to watch again the epicenter combo Tomato dead again!
And the toss up on Saberlight, he is dead again!
Oh, this is such a disastrous fight for VP.
Four done, Abed left all alone.
Remnants away, I mean he's still not safe though.
He's just surrounded now, silenced up trying to kill off the Phantom's abrasive, he gets burrowed,
And that's a full team wipe and look at the HP bars on heroic nobody even close to dying here
I was this is why you can't give back this much space right like they were going on him
He's not even close to sets of dying look at bats farm
11k net worth minute 19. He's got tranks drum lotus
consecrated reps and two small items like
Like, you're effectively just giving one of, if not the best offlane bad play in the world,
a totally free game without counters, and you're just like, we'll deal with it later.
No you won't.
You'll deal with it now or you're gonna fucking lose.
Yeah, okay.
I, Tomato's top again.
He still, if he dies up here like a seventh time now, I just don't get it.
Like, you already don't get it, sure.
There has to be a different approach to this than just keep on running your head against the wall
This is a dead hoodwink by the way that you're watching unfold
Yep tank in the gang that's that's what you got to do
I mean this is one way right like this this was also what you could have done in the previous instances is have someone there
To die for gyro if you really want him to play top then somebody's got to cover
and
That time this is
You know, this is the best death that VP had top all game because this time it died instead of a child
Rough times immediate tormenter will be claimed here inside of heroic. Well, you're hoping to get the shard on
probably Rubik
Yes, I mean
What does he want to do again? It's basic to spell when you cast inks. Oh, actually you're hoping for this one
The old functionality, which was very good.
You're hoping for this to get the instant to spell against Chames and Gale, so actually
this is better than Rubik's in this game.
So a very nice pick up for them, along with some gold to boot.
A ton of closing in on the AXE, you get that one day?
Yeah.
But that, I feel like that last fight where Saker got stuck in the wall is just the perfect
kind of microcosm for the four games that we've seen play last.
And he's been playing well, I assume.
We just haven't seen it.
Yeah, when we cast, we're just his curse.
He plays his bottom 10 percent when you're watching.
It's unbelievable.
But again, like his early game, this game was much better than the last one.
It was obviously also a little bit selective here with because it's funny
when Pango gets stuck, right?
But I to be fair, that spot, you should not get stuck.
That's ridiculous. That's absolutely ridiculous.
I do think, though, that if I were to mainly criticize something here, it's one thing that happens, like, mechanical mistakes happen.
I just don't like the Mage Flare because I think you need Pango to have a Diffusal Outlook.
He is dead.
You have died.
Oh, never. I feel like I'm taking 3.
A hundred away from Ags, and now 300 away from Ags.
So close, yet so far, as they say.
Are we playing the old, small map again? Have I just... am I woken up from a coma? Did the brain transplant work?
Am I going back to time? Like what is happening here?
Why are we still up here on gyro for the seventh death in a row?
That's rough stuff. That goes to the tower. Oh boy. Can't even get the arcane room.
Connection here, and he's gonna leave. Yeah, Saberlight will have to run away.
Symphony of sausage as you like to say. Symphony of sausage. I do think if uh, oh, see you later, flying. If you
If you would stop fucking die, I'll
I mean, at this point you can just talk, you know, it's expected at this point.
So I think if Pango goes to Fuzo this game you have some alternative plays, you have
more damage, and the mana burn is very good against a couple of cards here with the early
moves that could have worked out.
Oh no!
He's 30 gold away!
He's 30 gold from Ag's!
all he wants and now again 200 away oh my god unbelievable geez that's hard to
watch I don't know what to say I just don't know what to say very stubborn
this is the game plan though I like to motto you know I played a tournament
together it was a great time here's a very good standing hey he's a good teammate
he's a nice kid he's a yeah he's a good team he's a good kid he has a lot of
good games this is not one of them and I just once again I just question I
wonder like what what are the comms like this fly will be taken out on the exact
same spot that tomato just died he just walked over to try to do work see where
he goes on tomato here he's 200 oh a different lane okay this is the four
Wait, no. Yeah, he's got to go top, that's right.
You're cute.
What?
This is actually his tower.
It's in tier three.
Saberlight, oh they can't kill you.
He's bleeding.
Yeah, they forced TP so that he could finish the ag's top.
That is surely the play.
Good news, he has enough to purchase the point booster.
Alright.
This is good.
good now he can now he needs to farm some more because he has eggs crystals so
where are we going where are we going to farm next what's the last time you can
remember a bad writer with this kind of network by the way yeah it happens every
once in a while it's not that often though it's been a while probably been
like couple years I would say.
On veil of discord as well here working on Shiva's
is such a tanky bat build.
His bloodstone.
Oh my god.
What's next for him?
Oh, it's the Shiva's.
He doesn't even need to buy BKV because he's invincible.
Yep, I can't blame him.
Smoke from VP.
A key.
Instant D-Words here.
Aging Inceptor for Tylong, along with a BKB Blink.
And Yuma, Silver Edge now.
It's a very good sign for Heroic when they have games like this where Yuma doesn't even really need to show up that much.
He's been in 9 kills, so it's not like he's been AFK at 9 kills off 22, but they've largely come to him.
Right, the ones that he's got assists and kills on have been in his proximity, so the other cores are just doing excellent work running around the map with the supports, finding kill after kill after kill.
Tomorrow is trying to go through, but that's death number nine incoming.
He does have Ags though.
You might just solo'd Ember in the meantime.
I did not think he could actually kill him.
Um...
Okay, I was wrong.
Yeah, this is this is rough. Alright, why do you think Tamato was top this time? I mean, it's a game plan. Do you think it's just
We're just forming habits here. I have no clue. They need to give Saberlight a good game.
He got silenced.
Got the roll off, obviously.
Rolling Fender was stolen here by KJ.
It's a really good steal, obviously.
And he has the Arcana, so it's the cool cube.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, you see the Rubik's Cube.
Do you think that's a pay to lose Arcana?
It is.
Because it's like more, the spells are more visible to the enemy?
It's more visible to, yeah.
I guess but it's worth the style points. I agree, but it genuinely is pay to lose
But everybody uses it. Yeah
This is cool, but usually Dota players are huge min-maxers, you know, yeah, the min-max is a raise with this
Oh, yeah, yeah, keep using those to zoomer
terminology we went to the mall yesterday to get some food and there was a restaurant that had Riz toast
the menu of that place or I'm actually you know what just talk about this is a
good time to read up let's see if they get the barracks
everybody's just waiting with baited breath on this story that's a good
story better than the one with the scarab and the frog or whatever so alright
let me find this you you find it first as we see the second lane of racks now
being taken by Heroic.
Oh, maybe I won't even get time to talk about it.
It might just end the game here.
You could do that as the outro of this game.
Perhaps Yuma might be using life number one, not quite yet.
Batrider frontlining, BTWs.
Yep.
Oh, nobody says that except you once again.
Thank you.
Penis.
Oh, you got it in the right bolt.
Hang on.
That's what she said.
I'm the run, we're at half HP, epicenter, I hear it, canceled it.
Just waiting.
Call down as well, just using spells.
Nice army of plague wards, the Aegis is gone, so heroic backing away and this should have
given you copious amounts of time to find this menu.
Yeah, I got it.
There are some of the items on the menu of said restaurant.
Eggs cringe.
Eggs slay.
Brain rot omelet.
Skibbidi omelet.
Oh, that sounds delicious.
Brisk toast.
And woke Asian beef.
What is that?
What does that even mean?
It's a salad called woke Asian beef.
I was crying.
It's like the dumbest menu I've seen in my life.
Hey, I'm sure it spreads like wildfire on Instagram when you have a menu like that.
Yeah, probably.
I'm sure it worked.
I mean, it's made its way into a Dota broadcast.
It worked.
Marketing too good.
Yeah.
It's just like those places that call themselves like Indian food near me.
That's the actual name of the restaurant as Tomatos death number 10, by the way.
It was top though.
So yeah, that's the only place he dies.
He shows up there.
He's dead.
All right.
we go. Whisper has the shard so step by step. 20 stacks onto the building, very good. We'll
get there eventually 23, 26, 27. Oh, damn, that's hard. Alright, rolling from there from
Saberlight, not able to find the connection. Whisper looking for the lasso, not able to
because of the Lotus. Now the Harpoon initiation from Yuma. Sleight of Fist coming out and
Hobbit and Company not doing a whole lot of damage, so Yuma is like,
alright, I'll just hit buildings then instead.
I got a big tree, after all, for a reason.
Yep.
MVP on their last legs here in this series as they've just been dominated from start to finish.
Yeah, I mean, it's just the thing about this game, it's one thing that they've been beat down.
They're playing against a really good team.
I don't think there's any shame in getting 2-0ed by Heroic,
but the fashion in which this game played out,
I think it's just really disappointing
that it's just felt, they've just felt lost.
Yeah, I think the game.
There's the rolling thunder from KJ.
They get the avalanche, they get the lasso,
everything onto Abed.
He's dead, no way to get back in the game.
Tamato, death number 11.
And GG is called disastrous game from VP,
but very clean from Heroic.
Outclassed, I think, fair to say here.
And even though both teams, as you mentioned yesterday, or in the last two days have the
same score against Tundra, there does seem to be levels to this thing.
This was a statement game from Heroic.
I think they played super well, especially Whisper's Batrider, just a monster, 12-0-8
in this one.
Yeah.
All right.
Enjoy your Rizz toast on the panel, everybody.
I'm having some right now. Yeah, it is. It was a statement game. And I've got to say,
you absolutely nailed it, Andrew. You did say, watch out for this bat rider and just
absolutely dominated the game. Yeah, I didn't think it would go that way though. What was
that? That was crazy. I mean, it just it exploded right in the in like the early to mid game.
Yeah. The landing stage was okay. Maybe tomorrow died a couple of times, but his other heroes
a couple of double digit times, you have to be fine. Yeah. Yeah, he died 11 times. The
whole team had 12 kills. I mean, look, there's, there's lots to talk about. It just depends
how charitable you want to be. Cause I won't say who, but there were some people a bit
perplexed about the gyrocopter, especially you could have had another carry there that
might have been a bit more effective, like Lifestealer or something. Weaver, Lifestealer,
lots of stuff that was good against bat. And instead they went for something that's like
pure aggressive approach where like we're going to kill that writer well if you don't
then he has like eight stacks of napalm on you he runs you down and now you can't enter lane again
or you can't even just feed 50 times yeah that also works yeah well the game's over quick i mean the
the way the game started the visperp off to a good start gets the first kill gets that first blood
denies his support in the lane so they don't get any of that it was just uh total onage pretty much
Still, it was 6-11 at a point, like VP was up and they had the kill lead, but we had this fight where you have the big turnaround play from Theolokor, the double leash on two heroes that don't like to be leashed into the Sand King for a strike, which we've seen that combo pretty much all day today, Grimstroke, Sand King, and this is what felt like the beginning of the end.
After this point, it was just continuous fight after fight, kill after kill for Heroic, where it wasn't that bad in the early game.
No, it was okayish, but prior to this, what happened is Pango used the rolling thunder, they didn't get anything done with it,
which kind of set what's gonna happen the next like 5 to 10 minutes, and they just couldn't get anything done after that.
It felt like they were stopped playing, mentally checked out, there was a lot left and right.
It does happen from time to time.
You could forgive him out of all being checked out.
Yeah, you want to get that of that game as soon as possible.
Yeah.
Yeah, it took them good 30 minutes to get out of it.
Yeah, let's look at minute 18.
Yeah, this was also the beginning of the number two coming out,
because the betrider, I really liked his itemization.
This is extremely-
Oh, thank you.
Yeah, like just the build that he went for.
Casual bracer, you know, drums, I was thinking about upgrading
it immediately to bongo boots.
You are playing against the bingo bongo man.
So it's a very effective item.
Uh, and then picks up Lotus, and then also gets Consecrate.
Raps, which means that he's gonna be super tanky.
Very good Lotus game, because there's so many cheap spells that you can get rid of,
and also having that extra bit of armor.
And, yeah, Saberlight, he finds a way...
Yeah, come on, that's bullshit!
I, like, as a pango player, this should not exist.
Like, myself included, I always find some new ways, like, new spots on the map to be able to get stuck at,
which is kind of unfair, especially considering how everything was going for Virtus Pro, even
Gabyn was not on their side, but the fights are so difficult for them to take, especially,
again, this is the second fight for Rolling Thunder, wasn't even in the fight, he is stuck,
and they need that to be able to get into backlines with the Ember Spirit, maybe try to get a kill,
but this is going to be a full team fight again. It's really painful to see. I mean, I did have
of some concerns. I nearly asked you before we went into the game about, you know, um,
Sableight and Pango when they changed sure. And yeah, this wasn't Pango. This was Pango
pretty much like it was. It was a rough one as well. And I know a lot of people are going
to look at the scoreline and they're going to blame tomorrow. What is he doing? He's
feeding, but we did see in an interview with Kiritage that like whenever, whenever a team
is doing bad, the carry will feed because the enemy team is going to constantly go for
them and then people say like what a bot like why is this guy feeding yada yada when like in
reality I think there's a lot of issues you can poke in this game like one big one is giving the
bat rider away to the best bat rider player offline player in the world picking a not like letting
the overpowered hero through the also there's a specialist and then not countering it picking a
gyro instead of picking a lifestealer or even get the life so it was better for the game because
because of Tiny. Even a Weaver, so Whisper doesn't just have a pop-off lane.
Like this guy got a bloodstone at a point.
Come on, if a bad writer is getting a bloodstone against you, like you fucked up something early on.
Yeah, for sure.
Like there's a lot that was messed up in that game.
Yeah, I don't think you can single anyone out.
It was just like a brutally one-sided game.
Everybody on Heroic was on point today in both games, really.
They were. I kind of expected them to do well,
But something Cinder and said is they both played against the same team,
but there's a clear difference when they're matched against each other.
And you can definitely tell.
I think, heroic, they are looking for like top three, top four placement in this
tournament, and they're going to be super happy.
This is something that you mentioned when you were talking to KJ.
And it seems like with the form that they're playing with right now,
definitely happening.
Final thought.
I hope so, because they're not going to be happy.
Otherwise, like these guys are competitors, man.
You can see it in a series like this looking really good really good potential to win this one
Let's see, but I know we're gonna take a quick break when we come back after the break
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for the first time from Maus, it's Ike, welcome to the HotSeed man, how are you?
Nice, really nice.
Oh good, good. Have you done one of these camera things before that I've missed?
No, it's comfort. It's good for me.
It is good for you, and we will see how good you are with the patch.
Did you study the patch a lot when it came out?
Patch, yeah, I read it. This patch.
Did you memorize it?
Yes.
Damn, okay, that was a joke. God damn.
Let's see how well your memorization goes.
Let us begin the three minute timer.
Lone Druid only received one change
throughout all of 7.41, was it?
Attack speed buff, attack projectile buff,
base armor buff, or base agility buff?
Only one of these.
I guess it's not sure, but it can be attack projectile buff.
Attack project on buff.
Yeah, absolutely. You did memorize it. Well done. That was the only thing that changed onto the next. Good job.
Prior to 7.41, the tormentor could deal damage to neutrals and no longer can. True or false?
It's uh...
If you don't know, I would just guess we got to get through it.
it's true absolutely you're correct again this guy did memorize the patch
notes love pudges flesh heap was nerfed in 7.41 be true or false false false
you are correct again absolutely goaded essence distillers ground target
ability cannot reveal which of the following invisible units wards smoked
units or units in the fog of war this is where you put it on the ground I'm not
real which is the following yes only one of these cannot be revealed so what it
is words absolute this is unbelievable okay continuing which of the following
heroes cannot miss appeal units while flying this is a hard one that writer
Wyvern, Dragonite, or Lena.
All of these heroes can fly.
Only one cannot miss uphill units.
This is Winter Wyvern, but they have a skill.
That is Winter Wyvern. That is correct.
Every single one right so far.
Which of the following heroes had no spell,
base stats, or ability changes in the update?
This is the hardest question.
No spell, base stats, or ability to change.
Uh-huh.
Warlock clings Lashrak or Centaur.
Only their innate was changed.
After Pache is changed.
Now after all of them.
You're going to have to take a guess.
What if you said Warlock?
Just say Warlock.
We're going to pretend he said Warlock.
I like the spree.
Continue.
It was Warlock.
Don't worry about it.
Which of the following heroes has the most words
on the original update page?
Was it Tinker, Chan, Rubik, or Dragonite?
Who was the most complicated?
The changes.
Three seconds.
It's Tinker.
That's correct.
Ladies and gentlemen, I am going to lie
and say you got all of them right.
The Warlock question was stupid anyway.
The biggest brain in the game right now, zero wrong.
We are lying about the wrong one.
This is a valid question.
It was simple, but I wronged.
It was simple.
Yes, only the simplest question was the wrong one.
But I am going to give you a complimentary 100% win rate.
Congratulations.
You nailed it.
You really are smart.
You're very good.
There's a reason you're on mouse.
Maybe that's why.
Yeah, maybe you are.
Well, we'll see if you're just as good in-game as you are with our quiz, you guys keep it
here to see more of Ike and Mouse at PGL Valachia Season 8.
You're watching PGL Valachia Season 8 and we continue with the second half of the day.
And if your brain's as big as Ike's, you will have done the math in knowing that our upcoming
to series day three of a Swiss group stage, they will be deciding series.
The next two series on this one will be happy and teams that win, they'll move forward out
of the group stage into the playoffs.
Yay.
And then there's also a secondary stream where if you lose that series, you're out.
You're eliminated.
You're done.
You're gone.
You're heading to the airport as fast as you can.
If you want to, you can stay a little bit longer if you want to as well.
Let me introduce you to people that will talk about all of this.
We got Tiga.
We got we hot tea. How you doing this morning at evening afternoon? What the hell? Okay. Um, good evening afternoon morning
Is my eighth the la here of petitioning for us covering some of the elimination games on this day. We'd like that better
Yep, I have failed clearly eight times in a row and I keep getting told it will never happen
Why would you like that better? Oh look at the we have yandex. No, okay?
Okay, okay, this is the exception to the rule potentially because yeah, the worst teams are obviously getting eliminated we have
What would you like to see top tier S tier best out or people fighting I think a mix of both
Because it raises mistakes watching elimination games very exciting see
Still got told never though. So I won't we're in the happiness. We're in the joy of the game
Luckily, we're not in the same group. So I might
Who knows maybe maybe someday, you know, that's I was never told never yeah, there you go
Yeah, that's true. You gotta turn up your thing. That's why you belt back back there.
Alright, well we are going to focus our attention first on the two teams that are fighting for
Advancement, Bed Boom and Falcons. They're doing so well. They're 2-0, both of them in this Swiss
group stage, so everything is looking great for them. Beautiful though to be play pickup.
Yeah, I mean, I think Falcons have done a pretty decent job, especially day one.
We were like, wow, that's really cool. Day two, I think there's a little bit of a slip up in
approach to draft in one game but then they recovered it and they returned to their day
one form so I think Falcons are very quickly becoming a contender for your talk of who
should be you know top three team in this tournament I think Falcons are very quickly
stamped their name into that group. They're playing very clean daughter right now. They
love the patch obviously their heroes are pretty good right now. I hope we can see them
do as well as yesterday I think it was beautiful to watch. Yeah they were pretty stable I think
so far every day that we've accepted the first game of course we don't talk about
that but the rest of the series they looked very good yeah in particular you
wanted to highlight two heroes for Falcons that have done very well for
them yes I would love to talk about this sinking specifically so they played
five games of sinking they've only lost one game the one game you lost is where
they ignored the Bristol back other than that they played one time against the
BB so they stole it and then they only picked sinking and BB together it feels
this is a combination they love to go for. It's very strong in my opinion and Amar definitely
likes this Bristol Bag with the BKB. Yeah, I love the BKB rush. We talk about this in my lotus and
then he goes BKB. Yeah, but I mean it makes sense right? Like if you want to have a hero that can
push the limits go deeper on your farm. I think it also proves that Bristol Bag's shard is so good
that you can buy a BKB and the shard kind of carries you to your next item right? Yeah. So maybe
It's actually a kind of a it should be the first item we talk about maybe a nerf to the shard might be a thing in the future
It could be I would never give a modeling sinking though. If I'm playing against Falcons
I would make sure this hero is not recent
Is it it's not first pick materials you can maybe ban our second phase it could still be first people
Okay, better than second phase first phase it is. It's a overall strong hero
It is a very strong hero for them, especially in indeed Malrin's hands, but boom has been
not meeting any resistance really they have two series under their belt both
ones 2 and 0 one against VP one against team Liquid yesterday and and they're
kind of they're gonna cruise in here Tiga. Yeah I think they've hit their comfort
and their stride and especially from the qualifiers where it looks shaky to now
it's like they've clearly had a wake-up call the good thing for them they were
playing qualifiers they have to wake up call in that moment because it was
during the lack here they might be looking like a 1-1 team even an 0-2 team
Their qualifiers just weren't that consistent, but again, now they're here, they're kind of going back to some of their comforts, like Pitomi picking up the win to Wyvern.
A hero that hasn't been played at all in this one by any other team, but he's the one, the specialist, and if he's picking it, you kind of need to look to him and go, oh wait a second, the hero is viable.
I would love to see what Zed can pull off this game.
To me, I don't enjoy watching this guy and me being Romanian and him being from
Moldova is a kind of a pleasure. I feel like we speak the same language. So I feel
like a connection to the guy even though he never answers to me in POTS.
But yeah, I always look forward to his games. I feel like he's one of the
standard supports of, I feel like the last one year. Yeah, I believe it. Yeah, one of the best for sure.
for sure. And going back to the Katoomi Wyvern point real quick, I did want to note the change
with his innate, right? When you talk about the additional level, I wanted to really put it into
a summary. You can screenshot this, maybe look at it later. It doesn't actually provide that much,
right? When you look at Arctic Burn, you're getting 0.05 seconds more flight duration,
a little bit more on attack range, 1% health burn, 2.5% move slow, one second less on cooldown.
So at the end of the day, the innate isn't that big of a change for the hero. It's just kind of,
It's quite complimentary because of course I think when people were initially read it, you know having a fifth point in the skills
Like whoa
Yeah, you can just look at the numbers again. There's a lot of information there. So rewind screen shot it
I've simplified it for everyone because you don't want to have to do it yourself
It feels like they turned it down long. Yeah, like the previous levels they do more
And then this one they kind of like tone it down a little bit. Yeah
It kind of takes away from the fact like the buff
It takes away from I wouldn't mind if we got a little bit more love potentially in the future
But again, the reason why we are seeing it from BB is I think BB have done a very good job drafting where you pray save
Save is so consistent in his 4-0 other players get to shine and have these hero pulls where they kind of expand it further
Right. I think Falcons and Crip. It's the same argument
Crip's always the same type of hero pull in that 4 position and you know he's into his job because of save doing it for BB
We get to talk about Katobe playing a wide and we get to talk about, you know
GPK sometimes in previous blah. He was playing a mid jikiro didn't work out
but like I think you need the enable
conditions to enable other yeah they
enable very well the course definitely
love having these these players on the team
now there's two heroes I want to talk
about a little bit and one is actually
surprisingly missing from this but
definitely here that I'm expecting will
I think pop up the series actually let's
go for slaughter first slaughter is a
hero we talked about yesterday like
wow this here is very strong here of the
patio of the tournament actually did
already very well today as well.
Phil is a very good hero.
He's a very strong contender for the hero of the tournament right now.
A lot of games played very good win rate, very strong lane, solid mid game.
Obviously, Buster carries for the late game as well,
so he pretty much gives you objectives, he gives you Tormentor, he gives you Roshan.
What does this hero not give you?
I mean, he can't play in the Winter Wyvern, at least, right?
Cold and burst?
You can find the Winter Wyvern.
You can find it.
But I like the fact that in the comparison we had between Falcons and BB, I think BB had quite a lot of heroes that liked to play into tanky heroes.
They had ways to whittle them down. Of course Falcons patch after patch. It is kind of the easiest summary that you can give this team.
I think this time they are utilizing it. I think it's not 3 cores being tanky. It's more like one guy doing it extremely well and then you have two heroes to utilize.
I think they're getting a bit more, I don't know how to even describe it, but it's not just calls and tanking us now, it's actually skills to it.
I have to do this.
What is it?
Yeah, no, go for it. I know exactly what it's going to do. Do it.
The Alchemist.
Woohoo! And back, baby, day three!
This is the last band, and Alchemist 2 in the pool.
So far, every series that Bedboom has played, all four games they have played, there has been the team that a second pick, they always banned out the Alchemist.
This is the first game. They even have a chance.
Alchim's available.
Yes, he is. There he is.
They took him.
The Queen is available.
The Queen is available.
That's probably coming next.
Yeah, but the Rubik and the Sons are banned.
Both kind of covering you from the Queen of Pain.
Yes.
You do...
Sorry, you don't know how I ever take it with Alchim.
So we are going to get to probably see the drunken...
What the hell did I just say?
The strungest?
I added strungest and draft into one word and then said drungest.
It sounded like a drunkenness there's well, whatever. It's fine. I just strong this here
offline
This could be okay. If you're a bad boom, you're gonna be smart. This is something they also saw coming
This is the most again. It's very obvious again. If they were definitely prepared for this
I'm excited to see what they're actually gonna pull off this time. I would fire the gun. Are you gonna pick the pangal?
Yeah, maybe I would pick the pangal
I think you can get to have someone run out of
I don't know if they actually have a specific line saying if third-party picks hero what happens
There's someone should go into the documents into that. Yeah
There is
There were very fast responses from Bed Boom on their bands.
They instantly banned Hootbank and Chen.
They did not need to think about it.
And also, Falcons was pretty fast with still removing the hero
you guys mentioned in the Pangolier.
And they get their hands on the also highly contested Phoenix.
Just very strong lanes from Falcons already, right?
Queen of Pain will just shove out the lane,
already with Haskell being banned by BB.
One of the few heroes that can actually muscle up
into the Queen of Pain.
Spirit earlier today for some reason allowed this draft to exist where they put law into the absolute been giving way to husker
Ember ember is a good solution. It is a king of pain all the land and it's a good agonist partner
Yep, he's got the the boom, you know, what you're looking for when you're playing alchemist
Is it gonna be like made slayer and then like I asked that you can give me a gift of course
We might see the bloodstone coming out. It's been a common build nowadays. They just go for the bloodstone
Of course second item. Yeah, because of the damage buff. Yeah, I think it's more than Sunchka
It's 14% if someone is taken from the passive
But let's also respect other teams in the tournament right now. We're sitting in the kind of the tour bracket
South American rejects wits alchemist. You're pointing at me. Yeah, cause yes, I agree. It's I wish there was a camera that she looked
No, I was I was waiting for me to put the same point on it's like no, I that's weird. Yeah, or good
No, it's not weird. It's
With metter and heroes getting put into pro play you keep getting reminded like hero does x hero does x banded because of this
You know an alchemist if you do farm well if you get the early radiance
You have free choice of any item you want to buy the 4,000 gold for an axe
It could be an orchid. It could be a BKB. It could be nearly the AC right that you can still break games in the traditional way
But because of how good and reliable Axe has become for Alchemist, that is like the default.
And I really respect Wits for breaking that pattern.
Not saying we're going to see it here, but I think players need to keep in mind that you can still win a game through just good lanes, Alk timings, taking objectives, go through the map.
Got a good credit to the mid laner as well. He played wonka.
This whole out of anyone's vision right now. Here that doesn't exist except for Dark Magal.
For sure, I guess but I do like the alchemist's fact that he decided I'm just talking about eggs
Yeah, what are you gonna do about it? Just gonna win the game. I just won the game. Yeah
Do you think we'll see this from people?
Yes, but in time. I think a move like that you need a couple more games to like convince a carry player potentially
I don't think that's like you see it one time and go wow, but if your Torah did it can carry players be convinced
No, I'm not leaving so they have to lose against it first. That's true
This is the class. Yes. Yeah, you lose against something suddenly. Okay, maybe this is pretty good
Carrie please
All right, mr. Midlaner stubborn tianus by the way, it's like carry the mid lane
Then for five off lane last depends here some it was a more that's true
I can watch I have been working with some retired midlaners in recent there. That's true. I have a something there
Yeah, they are quite stubborn
The tide and the shaman
I don't know what you do to this fish man.
It's going to be potentially free for falcons, right, in regards to the lane and the early
optimization from a while, right, out into tide, tide will free farm.
It's the reason why they're so confident, confident picking it in this position.
And I think Amar, when he gets to play the offlane that steps forward very early on,
is the scariest form of falcons.
And we are seeing that in this corner.
The person with the tide, he is doing the same thing.
Around 10 to 16 minutes in the game,
he doesn't care what he is.
Like he's walking to enemy areas of the map,
like there is no one to pressure him.
And maybe getting a dying kick.
Do you think Amar says he's the drafter?
Do you think it's his idea to leave the alchemist?
Because he gets a feeling Amar will.
Oh, probably.
That easily fact is that.
Do you think maybe this is why this team decided
to just leave the alchemist?
It's the only team that has an offline as a drafter, right?
True.
It's also statistically based on Noxville, who won the most lanes and included pro players,
and Amar was number one on it.
You see Alk, he's a nothing against that.
Yeah, you have a clear path for that.
You start batting, that is true.
The Undying came out probably as a solution to this tide,
says the hero doesn't have that many answers on the lane,
especially when you have an Alchemist as a partner.
Undying can actually lose lanes into tighthunter. It's a little bit 50-50, because tighthunter can go gush level 1, and then shaman can step up with good attack damage to always make sure undying is playing on half HP.
He has bad luck and what not.
Yeah, and then if you can get away from that level 1, you play on tombstone, of course lion comes in, out with acid spray, you can get kills 100%, but there is like this very early one minute window of the game that I think can decide.
game that I think can decide the entire lane if Undying doesn't respect the Titan
terms.
That's a surprising lich ban from Falcons.
So they think that Undying is offline.
Oh yeah, that's a good point.
They have been playing a lot of lich.
They have.
One of the few teams that have.
The only team?
Actually no.
No, I think there's one more.
Liquid played it in Perfume.
I mean the sacrifice spell.
I wish it from the start again.
If I'm picking the first one, I'm walking to lane, looking for the guy, of course, yeah.
I'm walking to mid, sacrificing the mid creep, then going to the third.
I don't give them more value than that, that is the true value.
Yeah, maybe they know something that we don't, maybe they have seen this happen in scrims.
You talk about ice timings, right?
To go back to the Alchemist and like what?
Such a great border.
Yeah.
I mean, andying is always a weird hero for like what's his item build from offlane.
You want to go or you want eyes or BKB once you know suddenly skip the ads for free he gets to rush
BKB or hapun
You can tell me play together
Get the hapun in play but hapun BKB gives them an exit suddenly
He's won me fighting the entire team a boss try to be main character, but a flesh calling just like I think I'm in the face
But it's fun like babies lot of it is very fun
If the items are lying, they're going all in on Offlane and Dying with the Wiperman.
Yeah, I feel like the UD5 is a bit of a bait. I'm not excited by it, I can see it falling really fast.
I don't believe in it. I feel like yes, you do provide a very strong lane and just spamming one spell.
Very hard to do.
But then you lose value on this hero.
The only thing that pretty much he can have a lot of impact on throughout the game past the enemy stage is just to save.
Even if you have an early axe timing, as they do go for a bane, so that's the famous catholic bane.
Very good balance from valkyries.
Bane is going to be fine though. It's okay. It will be a bit scary into the amount of fight valkyries have.
You want a standard ground on bane with fiends grip, there's going to be eggs and ravages and things to disrupt your positioning.
But with the type of game plan BB has Bane line will constantly be hunting the side areas the map like with a nightmare or a stun
Ember with the quick agnus will be flying over to get a kill
I can see a lot of map play and setup in in kind of
Falcons draw a BB straw, sorry
It's like maybe just want to like fight everywhere on the map
Yeah, like they want to get this level 6 remember and just fight until I can just gives a x3 either or and just keep fighting
Is that going to work against the line-up that Falcons has?
Especially if you consider the lone druid that now joined the mix?
Well, lone druid is a slow hero. He does decent on the lane, but is not strong by any means.
And he will only get truly strong when he gets to his agonim's timing.
So they will probably look to stack a lot and get the queen and the Tidehunter fat,
and you'll probably wait for the timing of the lone druid to get that agonim's silverage.
I think it's just like play your lanes into your first item timing and then like we have mentioned you have to exploit it
Farthens I think they found a pretty good pick at the end of the draft
Your lane is going to be better than other carries that you could have played into the undying
The question for him will is it a diffusal into like me on an ad build or you're going straight for the me on an
I actually that is I think the debate with you know the carry learn drills at the moment
But I think Farp has had all the heroes that we've praised him for in how they've won games so far.
Like, they have to basically frontline, they have to quick burst play of a hero jumping on top.
Skidder, I think, has shown himself to be a pretty decent learndred.
Ahmad looks like he's gonna have a free lane, and then he's probably gonna buy wraps and just send them to the front lines.
And basically say, you need to put a wall between them and us.
And then wait for their timings, pretty much.
I think BB's draft is more skill-based.
I feel like they need to play very well, individually, for them to do great in this game.
So I think it's a matter of time if this game goes past 30 minutes, I think Falcon is going to have an advantage.
Alright, let's see if our commentary team agrees with that, as we have the chance to ask them how we feel about this game, this draft that just finished up.
This feels like a blast from our past for me, Shiva. I'm seeing Bane undying in the off lane and carry Alchemist.
It's just like 2013, now we're all over again.
Back in the day, you know, if Coblack was drafting this, we'd be really surprised.
Yeah, we saw that undying immediately, the offline comes to mind.
It's going to be an interesting one, walls on both sides.
On one side, tight hunter, on the other, undying.
And do you feel like Falcons got their grip on the Alchemist, letting it through?
They're the only team that's consistently like, yeah, you know what, we're not going about it.
You happy with that? Do you like to see it?
I still feel that people are figuring out how to deal with Alchemists.
We've already seen Falcons do it before, but they also lost with it themselves.
So honestly, I don't even know anymore.
Like, this hero is probably going to get picked every game until people finally decide it's bad, but I'm not sure.
I do know that Loan Druid is still very, very good, and I'm not sure if they have enough pace on the side of BB to stop the Loan Druid before it becomes too strong to be dealt with.
Okay, we're going to find out how it plays out. Take it away, gentlemen. Game one.
Thank you very much, Heaver. It's game one. Big Liz, we out here, watching a blast from the past.
Talk to me about what do you build? What's the skill build? What's the item build? How do you play Orph lane undying?
Dude, it's all about the decay.
That's what you're playing around, that's what you want, that's what you're going for, that's why they picked it.
After all, this game, to me, is so cool because it has layers and layers of what we have seen people adapting with the Alchemist drafts.
You pick the Alchemist, you know that the Queen of Pain is coming on the other side because no one is going to give you the Queen of Pain.
So you preemptively or afterwards, of course, you pick the Lion because with the Lion you will have some Hex versus that Queen of Pain.
So you are able to pick one of the spirits, void spirit or ember, whatever floats your boat.
And then you hit them with the undying because most of these alchemist drafts, if they have
faltered, they have faltered because their side gets crushed and invaded before the first
agonies or maybe even the second one, if a second one ever even comes.
But with the undying, like I can see the idea.
You know with the undying you should have that wall.
On both sides this time, however, because of the tight hunter is, of course, pretty free as well.
Alchemist vs. Lone Druid, Broken Carry vs. Broken Carry, let's see how it goes.
As the Horn is sounded, two bounties per team, so far nothing crazy.
The Wolflaners, they're probably tipping each other back, who's gonna die the least this game though?
Their job is just not die as much as possible, soak up a human amount of damage.
Yeah, pretty much. Just soak as much as possible on tide, on the untying, on the other side,
as you mentioned, I still believe that these two carries are pretty high up there. I think
my list is expanding when it comes to S tier carries. Tiny is there as well for Shermwretta.
Maybe even a Weaver, not really sure, but four or five carries are up there. Alchemist
I feel like I'm kind of surprised that Lone Drid just completely goes through here.
If it's just player preference.
See how these lanes pan out. Mid lane, lane we've seen over and over again.
But top is where the real magic is going to be.
Nero, playing with save.
The kill potential does eventually arrive for some of these heroes.
Like level 2, level 3.
You know, Felix is out of position, as we've unfortunately seen many times in this tournament, he can't die here.
Too many facts. Too many times we have seen, actually, the Phoenix not really doing all too well.
Decay also messes with Phoenix in multiple ways. Like, it lowers your damage.
It lowers your damage output because of the percentage-based damage that you have from missing health as well.
So, in a lot of ways, Undying is decent against Phoenix, but in a lot of ways, Phoenix is also good against him.
Because of the fire spirit's lowering the attack speed that you already don't really have a lot.
You don't really pressure the egg as well and I feel like that's one of the reasons why this hero is played a lot, right?
Bogue role, not a lot of things deal with the egg very well right now
Mm-hmm. Yeah, we were talking about earlier that you need kind of BKB on Kiddusage to actually deal with the egg
Mm-hmm eventually
The same time Swimstone is not fun to deal with, sure they do have to bear that's been a hot bottom natural dark on falcons
Bottom I'm glad to see Bayman
This is one of those those heroes that you know always flies under the radar. It's very not flashy, you know
But it's just it's just fun to see in the game. You know, it's a very cerebral hero. It's definitely cerebral, I guess
Absolutely hating my top lane skipper. He's in trouble here
He's gonna chase bears away, but the bear's gonna die first
Oh and the rebound damage from losing the bear ends up killing him off
First blood drawn by save in the top lane as down bottom my mom also suffering somewhat from kataomi and kiritich
That is a fantastic start. Getting your undying involved in a carry kill at the beginning and it's a bear too. That's beautiful.
I know bear doing it. Really well everywhere. Top lane, well mid lane is even.
You can't really ask for way more versus the Queen of Pain in the current state even with a good matchup.
The bot lane is maybe the one that shouldn't be too surprising. It's Katowami after all with Bane.
The hero that more or less made him famous got him into the tier one scene and also kind of a sleeper hero
That's not a lot of players are willing to play right now. He's strong. He's agonized as well by the way
But too bad probably not going to get it is lower in the pecking order, but eventually he might
He's gonna start having to pitch
Check this out, dog. Let me tell you the play I can make trust me, bro
You need the other course to die a couple of times and then your case becomes...
Look at these noobs man, they're feeding, just give me the axe. I'll carry you.
Skeeter and snakings still are able to find some degree of CS for Skeeter.
The earlier death is obviously going to impact him but
it's still very hard in general to stop Lone Druid from farming if you're not killing him.
He's alive in the lane, he's probably going to get a CS.
Yeah, pretty much. And I think early in the game is probably... This hero is kind of weird
when it comes to power spikes. Level 1, level 2, super simple to take down, bully out. If
you bring the numbers, I feel a lot of players are doing that right now as well. They just
try to kill him in level 1, make him re-summon and camp him. Then he gets this Orb of Corrosion,
faceboots and you literally cannot do anything for any longer until the mid game. The mid
game is where a true lone druid player shines. If he understands what kind of an item build
he can go for, is it going to be the defusal or is it going to be the agonist? Because
if you go for the defusal you want to fight a little bit more, you want to be pressuring
the enemy team and playing them out.
Stop playing, you're going to be trying to ban the snaking here, get himself hexed up
but at the same time save me to run away from Skeeter and the boys, bring the bear to bear
and they end up getting the kill. Snake King will survive. Unfortunately, Miro wasn't close enough to throw out some additional decays or a tombstone.
It's a, of course, a W for the Phoenix getting involved in a kill on the line for the laundry as well, but Undying is farming.
It's itch. Channeling the stun down bottom, looking towards Crit. Concoction will land with the Asset Spray. They should have enough to get the kill.
They kill him with the Blood Grenade, take away his life, and then we'll end up being able to end up killing.
Kill and GPK!
It's the Lion?
Gets the kill on Malrin. This is something we spoke about before the draw of the ability of Lion to just show up randomly out of nowhere,
lay in the spells, and then just completely eviscerate the Queen of Pain.
I really think this is...
This was the whole idea.
They noticed what Falcons were doing against Anarchimus, picking QWAP, making sure that they can pressure the map.
And yesterday, at least the day before, no one figured out a way to deal with this.
But when you have Ember plus Lion, that's more than enough control.
I gotta stay on both sides, actually.
You know, on one side you have Lion, on the other Shadow Shaman.
Shadow Shaman and Lion have, for a really long time, kind of been...
How to put it, if there's a placeholder, they both fit in the same one.
Same archetype, yeah.
Actually, there's a lot of similar archetypes, right?
So, we'll talk about it in a second.
It's Naking getting jumped upon right now.
And he's gonna be able to find a kill with GPK and M.S.Pritz. Well done.
That woman laning stage. He's got Rangard by the way, already a hero, and he has been
having a pretty good tournament already. He played some exceptionally great acts.
These top of the CS shots, I'm dying bro. And you know most of these will not be jungle
camps. Skeeter's gonna be monopolizing that area, so these are just mostly lane creeps.
That's why he's so high in the net worth as well. Top lane, they have come back in. I
It doesn't seem like they were able to do anything here, and Queen of Pain doesn't seem to have an interest in seeping over, he just cracks it.
He's starting to be a sneaky skitter, like he's sending the bear over, you know, to maybe try and get this wisdom shine, but save is already here.
No savage roar, I believe, leveled just yet.
So, save should be able to contest this.
Just like Mr. Spare doing here, bro.
But with the Bane, you can at least leap him out of the circle.
Okay, see?
Ended up getting on the high ground cliff.
So the pair will be safe, returning safely towards Skeeter.
Now Rindo, being bullied a little bit in this mid lane, being pushed behind the C1 tower.
This is problematic, a flag bearer is arriving at the same time.
There's a lot of pressure being put to the tower.
Might actually have to leap right now.
And this is already good enough, you know, just zoning her away from the creeps that
are hitting the tower.
Tower is on 50% HP and they're also bullying top.
A pet boom has always been known for their laning stage, but this so far has been pretty
perfect.
Not only are they playing the laning stage well, but the heroes that they're playing
it well with just drive, if they have good lanes.
I'm dying.
You never want to see a weak and dying in the laning stage.
GPK will wait around for this power rune, his supports are camping on the other side, so he'll definitely be able to get it.
He's in Invis.
And with the supports being here, they might want to try pressure the tower yet again.
They're actually going to just trigger the Invis straight up, go hunt somebody.
Maureen Katomi almost saw him.
Unfortunately, are they able to get the full connection there?
They know about the stacks.
I mean, dying is actually chilling.
He's strolling by.
That's a triple stack at least.
Triple stack at least, yeah. Triple stack for the Undying and Ember, with the Tombstone even committed. Why not?
It's a lot of gold.
I'm a Brad type of Falcons on the other side of the map, because KDT as we saw a couple seconds ago is pretty much just stuck farming the Wells area.
The Titans has been getting pretty much free from, so Amar is definitely going to have a game.
Very symmetrical playstyle so far, right?
Both offlaners are having a really good time.
Both carries are slightly pressured, but nothing crazy.
I guess the only big difference so far, truly, is the mid lane.
Tower has fallen two levels difference between Ember and Queen of Pain.
Now Rain blinks away, Kataluma's mid animation for the nightmare.
Now Rain does survive that one.
Probably need to start with chains for that kind of a kill, but they could just be top.
They're trying to at least for now.
They're coming in from the high ground, unfortunately the courier for Phoenix is going to scout them out as they approached.
It's a bit unfortunate, Phoenix could have been in an awkward position, but the chicken ends up doing the save.
He's got 6, by the way. Phoenix was, because of the laundry being in the jungle, Phoenix was given a lot of experience out of all the sports, he's the first one to hit his ultimate level and insta-rotation down bottom.
bottom. Great. I'm gonna find the shackles out onto Kiritich.
You're reduced it though. Yep, the chemical rage also throws.
Gonna be a very difficult kill.
This girl's gonna attempt it though. Kiritich now, channeling the concoction,
goes on to the Phoenix.
They do get the Randor, Gorg, and tag him with the supernova.
Kiritich not dead just yet though.
Beautiful Earth back from the lion to interrupt the maw before he can find the kill.
Now a maw's gone, that's in danger.
GBK has shown up, throwing in the damage from December Spurred,
and the maw's gonna die.
Nightmare hunter snaking, dragging him back towards these heroes.
It's Kiritage who's still standing strong, almost full HP.
Gank me, I don't think that's gonna happen, boys.
It was just a perfect debate by Kiritage.
If they catch him before he uses his ult, that's literally insta-kill, right?
Like a ravage into all the disables, he cannot survive.
They didn't even have to use the egg, but the moment he used ult, that fight was basically doomed.
They just don't have the damage to burn to look at.
Shadow Shaman not 6 yet, of course.
No words to maybe buff up that damage a little bit.
They also buy so much time for Petal right now, you know there's no Ravage, there's no Supernova.
Much less Skate of that happening again for quite some time.
It's also resources, you know, like this kind of a play, usually Queen of Pain is involved.
But why is she not involved? Not only because she's a bit lower in the levels,
but if you look at her on the top side even, she's always below 50% mana, right?
right like she just never has enough to reliantly TP in blinking use all to use all
her skill sets so just for now she's been pressured so much that you're not
really feeling the queen of pain 11 minutes in of course it's still very
early oh skater skater's in trouble being hunted right now gpk right on top of
them well that group might not be feeling the impact of the queen of pain
but falcons is definitely feeling this amber gpk is popping the hell off right
Now snaking will at least be able to get through the twin gate
So he's gonna end up living that they will claim the kill on Skeeter
Additionally at zero on tower as a further reward
And that's all pre level six on bane by the way, once you get that grip you get an extra
Just an extra way of catching the quap right again, that's really what matters right now minute 12
You need to go to the Aetherlands vault on Bane.
I'm not really sure, let's see.
You definitely need a range and he is queuing it up, so he will be going for the Aetherlands.
Aetherlands at Limerick, these kind of items are always normal on him.
Some blink perhaps as well, plus agg, and eventually the game goes well for you.
VKB.
That's gonna have a skirmish down bottom.
GPK is headed over here on Ma.
There's no one in front right now, but he realizes that something is alright.
Alright, okay, so there's a problem the time sink here
I completely agree with the panel that we have two walls right on one side tight hunter on the other on dying
The difference however is one walk in pressure you and the other one is just standing there tight hunter right now
as an alchemist
You should have been forced out of this lane a long time ago in a perfect counter alchemist game
But Kiritich is just absolutely chilling down bottom. He's got radiance almost minute 13
Not too far away from it.
He's done a good job keeping this tower alive for a really long time.
Get a titch, gonna start channeling concoction.
Throwing out the star in Amar.
If you're gonna get away from this, no.
He gets caught, undying is here, so is the Bane.
But worst of all, Ember Spirit is under way.
Amar does have the Ravage if he wants to use it.
But there's the follow-up damage.
Amar, he is losing his life.
They're coming in with everybody.
Queen of Pain has finally arrived.
Ravage on top of the sonic wave.
It bring down the Bane, but it's still not enough.
not enough. Concaution gets thrown out onto two. They're gonna focus the egg. Can they
break it down in time? Yes. Miro able to get the connection. No supernova available.
So now three ultimates extended for the side of Falcons, but they're still losing the fight.
Hex out onto the screen of pain. She wants to proceed further, but she could get stunned
here. Is she gonna get away in time? She does. Self stun, onto Kateditch. We'll put an end
to the skirmish.
Descended. Much, much better for Falcons than how it looked like and seemed to me at least
at the beginning. Nice ravage, Queen of Pain, just in the nick of time to use her ult. Even
Mulder is coming in a little bit too late. So overall, it's a trade, right? Like you
traded ravage and egg. You got to kill on both sides. I think if you are falcon, considering
the way that this game has been going, this is a W.
Unfortunately, if you care too much, he doesn't die, so he does get to finish off his radiance.
So now we begin the journey for him into Aghanim Scepter. We still don't have the full
Mjolnir from Skeeto, so I'm gonna take some time before he begins his journey to the
Axe. Okay, so he's not going for the Diffusal build. He's doing the Mjolnir
build, the standard one at the moment. You know, when the tournament started,
besides Ghost, every other Loan Druid was doing exactly this build, and I feel
like it's a good build, but it's way more passive than with the Diffusal. In my
games, and in most games that I watched, it seemed like the Diffusal Loan Druid is
just so damn oppressive. If you have a good lane, which arguably he did have a decent lane,
but it's not a lane where he bullied someone out, like, uh, boosted.
GPK, the big bad bully, he's back into his old ways, able to get the kill onto Cripp,
an additional stack on the finger for save. He's here as well, they get the nightmare out onto the
bed, no supernova available here, GPK coming back in, looking towards Mal-Reen, they get him
at the Syrian James, he pushes them back with the Sonic Waste, and I'll keep him alive for now,
and they turn around onto Katta only being able to swipe through on the bane to for one exchange thus far
and Falcons take advantage of Batboom perhaps diving a bit too deep to find these kills.
They did, they did. I think Batboom are still more or less doing the right thing because
they are alleviating the pressure off of the Alchemist. He knows where everyone else is,
he's farming there. They're literally doing, I still think they're playing like the perfect
to Alchemist's game. We were just buying him as much space as possible. They did feed some kills,
but they did this play because there was no Ravage and no Wank. They knew those spells were on Cooldown.
TPK might want to put pressure onto Amar here. Ravage is back on Cooldown, but Kataomi also has
the Fiend's Grip. The High Fnace keep walking onto the Hydra. It's very far from home. The Arrow is
here as well on the Undying. We'll buff the flesh golem. Amar getting healed up by snaking with
the Sunray. He wanna slowly but surely chase him down but they don't want to overextend
because they know how devastating the ravage could be. But he's so low right now, just
need a bit more damage. He's getting decayed over and over and over again and Amar is gonna
just have to accept his fate. Give up the ghost to Miro.
That's not the wall, that's a mountain right there that you have to take down. It's absolutely
insane how tanky this hero is with just the Vlad. It's because of the amount of heal
that you get from every time you use anchor smash, right? Of course, everything else with
his other spells as well, coming into play. I'm surprised they just let him die the way
they did, because they did have all the ulti's and the tier 2 was just there. So maybe there
was a play.
They're making a play down bottom. We do see a fiends rip out onto Mal'Reem. At the same
time, I need the kill on to save. Forced to commit the serpent ward for that though.
And he PK. Thinking about it. He's not certain. He's thinking about it. But I can't tell
me probably like bro already use grip let's not do this. Look there 800 gold away from the first
agonims. I feel like right now for Redblum this is probably the worst timing to fight
if there's just a little bit patient they will have the agonims most likely on the emperor.
The agonims on the undying is also really good don't get me wrong
I think it makes the most impact giving it to ember this early on. Speaking of ember,
What do you make of this build for going the mage layer, which we've often seen in the tournament?
Yeah, very interesting, right? Like going for the Spirit Vessel instead.
Like this is the build from the last patch.
Is someone else doing it? No one can really buy mage layer on their side besides the Ember.
Interesting, because I really think mage layer in this kind of a game was still pretty good.
I guess what he did gain with this is a little bit more pressure.
They were able to not only mitigate the damage, but deal more of it early on
He is gonna be now pressure in the bottom tower to help us save
Tidehunter and ravage still sneaking does have the supernova eggs on dying baby. Oh
You see the first on the get it. I'm dying. Yeah, this makes me think he's going to buy another one
Pretty quickly, but let's see. He doesn't have it queued up
Did you see it? She was given it to the Sun Dying, so now we have the super decay.
I mean, that'll make it a lot easier to kill Titans, alright?
It's not going to take as long the next time we're on, hopefully.
It's going to make everything go a lot easier, right?
You get so much damage out of it.
You can bring everyone pretty low.
It's a pretty damn good Dagon Inceptor.
There's a reason this hero was played offline for quite some time, and he was always rushing the axe.
I'm gonna break the smoke, protect Naurin, but can you do it?
He already has a blink, but didn't manage to get away this time.
Tricks on it, wave.
Do you feel, what I feel that Falcons are just like delaying the game and playing the Longcorn,
but you're doing it into an Alchemist with a multitude of heroes that want to get that tag in Inceptor as well?
well so it's the laundry the fact right there they're just waiting for his
agonist as well and they probably want the double agon loan drill and the
queen of pain before they start making big moves
they're actually getting three I'm also getting the eggs wait which team is
playing out in this book this falcon's getting triple ag snaking gonna be forced
to trigger the supernova here on the high ground next to the swing gates this
will definitely pop the question is how quickly and it's gonna be GPK that gets
unfortunately the fire spirits aren't what they used to be in terms of like
guaranteeing that you can survive in the egg. Yeah if there is like one hero
attacking you and that hero doesn't have power threads usually you can't
survive if there's no there's no way even that that's one one hit that they
needed extra right from the undying that they got so level 2 egg is what it's all
about right once you get the level two act the game is a lot easier thousand
gold away from the loan droid eggs thousand gold away from peanut pain
eggs and completed eggs on the tight hunter so Falcons are very close to
hitting this massive bike at the time if they didn't farm fast enough on
snaking they might even have to walk it on the phoenix ready to go to the next
the clash
I guess the shard
Just a pretty solid shard right there
You always want to have it on fire
Oh, Kiddichitch
Blinking hot
Katou only had the light mare out onto the Phoenix
Good god, that decay
Oh
That's a lot of damage
Naturally there's a 5k gold before the Alt-E squad
But overall, if you're on the side of Falcons, yes, they are delaying and stuff, but they still have some places to play on the map.
The power specs are coming soon.
What do you think the next five minutes looks like for them?
Hit it, titch.
Hext up.
When you get caught in the war trap, this could make the next five minutes amazing.
Unfortunately, he has allies behind him.
They get the unstable compulsion out onto Crit.
He is going to die.
They might be able to bring down the bear as the real lone druid.
Skeeter forced to pop the savage roll just to get rid of the fiend's grip.
The bear though has no such option.
It will definitely die.
He's chasing.
Kiritich wants to chase off the Skeeter.
He really wants to skill concoction.
He channeled up right now.
Skeeter has no way out of this.
He throws it through.
He's going to savagely draw on himself.
Save.
Does he have blink daggers coming back in three seconds?
Skeeter's going to try his best.
Kiritich blinks first, even puts the static charge on himself, hoping to delay proceedings.
But eventually, Kiritich will find the kill.
Skeeter dead yet again.
They were setting up a trap and thinking that they can trap the Alchemist, but it was actually
the other way around. There's a tier one tower after all here, so that play was maybe a little
bit reckless from Vulcans, just they played around top, waited for someone to go there
after the Tormenter in his room as well on the mid lane. I feel like they're getting
so much done on the map, on the side of Batmome, and they're not even taking like any big towers,
any big objectives. Rosh is a good start.
The Queen of Pain needs BKB instead of going headlong for the Bloodsword.
Going BKB this game is kinda rough.
You're going into a pain as well.
That's great.
It can't be a problem.
It's also playing to Lion though.
Yeah, I'm not saying it's bad.
It's just that one of those items that you might forgo because there's something against it that is good.
So perhaps Lincoln's in to try and block the instant initiation.
Maybe he can bite after the bloodstone.
Egg.
Supernova popped off, Kitteditch gonna get himself shackled so he can't hit the egg.
So this will go off, starting only the Alchemist, so the rest of his team can still re-engage.
GPK jumps in, looking towards Crick, and they're able to burn him down at the Flameguard.
Amar and the boys trying to run, but their heads already out onto Mal'Reen.
Earthspike to follow it up, GPK doesn't even need to do too much,
her save just zaps him with the finger.
And Mal'Reen is down for the count.
Look at Miero is on the other side of the Tier 2 Tower, solo zoning the rest of Falcons.
This is basically what you literally just talked about, right? Like you have this
lion that is very oppressive for a hero like Queen of Pain, something that we noticed in the draft.
They kind of tried itemizing the same on the other side.
It's not only the shadow, drafting and itemizing, it's not only the Shadow Shaman with the blink,
Phoenix has a Nour kit. It's an item, look, Phoenix is a kind of a hero that you can buy anything
But it's an item when you see it on him, you might think that the draft has some issues.
Why is my Phoenix buying an Orc? Because you need to get the kill off onto the Ember, onto the Alchemist, right?
Before they use their Ulti to escape. It's not that easy for Alchemists right now.
Alchemists, at the very least they still have Summers, but they're not moving into the mix yet.
It's here to you like alchemist is already pressuring top
They should be taken down quite quickly and that's gonna also force Peter back into the base as less areas of the map that are safe
for this loan droid to farm
This is one of those
Loan droid games where he's been pretty much stuck with his beard the whole time
Why because we have the agonist now he does have in a 24
To me it feels like it's a little bit late, but let's see the rat
begins
There's one team in the world you can trust to be able to wrap out for as long as you really possible
Falcons is definitely one of them Skeeter's Fair
Was shown in the middle and everybody ports in wanting to make sure that they maintain this here on tower for as long as possible
Keep the map control
You were actually smoked up as Falcons
I think there were maybe anticipating that only one or two heroes would show up, but if the entire compliments
and you just definitely back off. I really like the itemizations by the way on
bad boom. It's specifically from Alchemist now and from the undying.
Alchemist is going for AC next into another axe.
When you look at this draft, their objective taking is really bad.
They just have to go run it to you and get kills and maybe after they convert it to towers.
But with the AC that of course becomes a lot easier and then an agonist perhaps
around dying again.
The ditch, channeling the stun, but nobody will get around.
Tier 2 tower is definitely going to fall here, there's no way Falcons can defend this.
I mean, Amar is going to throw in the token gushes.
He knows full well that this is going to have to go.
Bane might be able to get the nightmare out onto the bear.
Let's see here, he's going to try for it.
speeder will lead the bear away, this should be fine
maybe it's even worth gripping if you can get it from long distance just
killing off the bear nice chuck of change 300 gold killing the bear forcing the
long dread of course to resummon and resetting the map positioning a little
bit you know it you know that the long dread is an opposite side remember the
radians bear course I don't want to remember but other times however annoying
you think laundry is right now trust me can get worse can it I mean that's
radians beard at least was not able to attack this this beer remember Denmark
CI laundry that that's one of us was maybe one of the most busted things
where you couldn't kill him like no matter what you tried it you only has
like three I have three race bands and he basically is immortal and the sniper
loan rate as well right? Like the...
Oh yeah, seriously.
The D-Lands loan rate.
The tens.
Alchemist deep in bottom.
Okay, will he be able to get the stun onto anybody?
No. Mass open wall should be able to clean up the tier 2 tower while Kedetic is just there.
He can farm them though.
Not too bad.
A lot of gold for a good old Alchemist.
He's now 500 gold away from...
No, a bit more from another Aghanim Scepter.
Surely that one goes to GPK, right?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Of course.
The first one was given to the Undying, the next one goes to Emperor.
Like, in some different game, you could argue that a Bane Axe is also pretty good, right?
But you are playing versus Ravage, versus Savage Roar.
It's a lot of AoE disables that kind of hit everything, so maybe not as amazing in this game.
Quatsky does bear top as he was trying to steal away his wounded shrine so see if he'll be able to kill it.
GPK is here, Savage Role on the other heroes but Ember Spirit right in front of it,
drops the Spirit Vessel even on top of the bear. Nice free kill, my god.
Borda Spell Decay, bottom lane though, Kiritage was getting gone on by the rest of Falcons and they actually end up failing horribly.
Katoumi came through with the fiend's grip on the Phoenix allowing Kiritage to turn things around and
Get a double kill for himself on the Alchi.
The pain is just doing a lot of work this game.
If for nothing else, just the sleep to reset things, to save you from being shackled.
I value heroes so far.
He's going for Blinknecks of course as well, and Bane.
And the fun basically starts there, because he'll be able to set things up properly.
It's a bit difficult to set up on the bear right now with the sleep,
because there is a shard on Skitter as well.
1400s gold commitment of course but it is worth it to be able to dispel and salvage your form
the other side of the map.
They also be doing a very effective rat job with this fan, even if he's drawing a lot
of attention like this, they have to be here, right?
They can't just like play the game normally, it's affecting how they're going to move around
the map.
Buying Falcons some crucial time to try to get some more farm on this real laundry.
Falcons will finally smoke.
They have all these aggonyms, they have all their ultimates except supernova.
Where are they going to connect to?
They're moving towards Amar who does have the blink rabbit ready to go.
I think the way that they're joined, the plant might be too bait on the bear.
Let's see.
Yeah, they're connecting to the bear base.
Amar, he gets caught in the middle.
All by his lonesome, this is not a good place to be against all of these heroes.
They even dropped their undying teamstone.
Look how much damage is coming from save!
A level 2 finger of depth with 3 stacks is no joke after you've already been hit with a massive decay.
I'm not really sure about that move. He probably wanted, you know, as every off-laner, poke your head out a little bit,
perhaps get one more wave so that the play that your teammates are doing is a little safer.
But this time around, of course, it didn't work out.
Crit is thinking perhaps of using the wards down bottom,
But I feel like these wards have been detrimental to them, like they're feeding way too much cold to the Alchemist.
He's thinking about it, but he also knows that the Belion is here.
If he pokes out and he doesn't get out in time, he could actually die, and he's definitely not with it, so...
Gonna be forced to retreat.
He doesn't have a solo kill there.
Like, even if he jumps, it's... these wards are level 1.
Even with Hex, Perfect, Shackles, wards...
Maybe if he's not in the base, though.
safe chasing out right now as GPK also is waiting around the secret drop you see
the quick buy on GPK by the way he's finally going back to the makeslayer
as bottom crit gets jumped apart he's gonna die speed up bear at the very
least able to rinse through save popping the shadow blade they don't have any
reveal since this report is dead he's so fast this one like that's another thing
right like he did this bear it's not only about the damage that he deals the
The fact that he can play on its own, but the fact that it's so damn speedy, it's hard to catch.
Although they do have a way to deal with it.
Already GPK is now chilling with us at the Gem of Trueside.
So they will have vision available.
Not going to be so easy. And of course he has now been given an Aghanim Shepter.
So he's feeling really good for himself.
So much mobility from the Ember now as well, right?
Much, much easier to catch anyone in the backlines.
Alkins are gonna smoke up. Omar moving through with Crib. Got a bear with them as well. On
the top side of the map we do see the Queen of Pain and Phoenix are making their way towards
them but oh no that's the unfortunate the illusion. It saw the Phoenix disappearing
under smoke so big boom they know that this play is happening and they know where these
heroes are coming from. There's also absolutely no one showing on the map right so you generally
There's that spider sense, you know that they're doing something.
Both teams absolutely smoked up, Tormentor is alive so I guess that's the play.
See if they can claim it.
Peanut pain.
Opting for an A on Disgastered Defensive Island.
Let's just try to go straight ahead and pick up this Stormy.
Doesn't seem like the Bedroom boys know that this is really happening.
You told me to go towards the mark.
It's kind of free, but I feel like with this play, they more or less take Rosh, right, at least at that point.
Fortunately for them, of course, Roshan didn't respawn, it's a super long respawn timer.
Big man has only just now returned.
I see when Bedboom feel comfortable enough to walk in, snatch the chain.
What's the next move for them? Pinocaine isn't going to buy BKB, so she's going for the double defensive item here in the Aeon Disc.
And a disc first, yeah, and then a BKB as well. It's just a very difficult game for her.
If Mal'Reen just doesn't really, he's forced into all of these items. Doesn't really have many options.
If he doesn't have the Aeon Disc, the moment he gets jumped on, he dies. That's the problem.
And if he's eliminated first, I doubt that they have the damage to take the fight.
And hopefully, the passage.
Channeling the concoction, once you go onto the bear, they will be able to connect with it.
Savage Role will be there, but the Earth Spike from the high ground
ensures that they get the full control.
And this bear should go down.
Even the bear.
For good measure.
Some free gold, nice.
He gets stacks from that now, right?
Because it's a creep hero.
I believe so, because he had three beforehand, so he has four now, yeah.
So, definitely dead.
I mean, word, hashtag word.
You know, what's happened to the Queen of Pain is sort of goes back to the draft, right, because the trade has often been, as the panel talked about, one team gets the Alchemist, the other team gets the Queen of Pain.
So if you prepare to deal with the Queen of Pain as the Alchemist team, you put yourself in a position where the Queen of Pain can't play the game normally as she likes to do.
Yesterday we didn't really see this scenario because it was kind of
innovative. The team that picked Queen did get away with her most of the time.
She even had the most impact in all of our games but they obviously
had room coming in super well prepared. The bear is still ratting, he's got
Silverat, she's meant for BKB next as well, maybe opening up space for Pritt to
to use his wards.
He just now on Kitteditch,
on his bottom,
and Crypt did not have an opportunity to drop down some wards,
but like you said, Pollywood had just fed the gold,
so he'll probably better not to.
Luckily for our boys in Bed Boom,
they do have a lot of mobility
between the Ember and the other heroes,
so it should be way too difficult
to deal with the Rating for them.
But on the side of Falcons,
They are getting a lot out of the map.
Laundroid is farming, so is the Titehunter.
They're sitting on more or less 20k net worth at the moment.
They're doing pretty well.
The moment Titehunter gets a refresher, I feel like this game,
you know the teamfights from Falcons might be pretty damn strong.
Orinia is the one that's struggling the most in the net worth department.
Not really his fault.
DKB is going to emerge eventually for him.
Double Ravage will be there and they'll have a BKB on the Laundroid.
The Falcons are definitely setting up for this late game. Riding as much as possible.
Skeeter's bear still just constantly in the bottom lane forcing some people out of the
bedroom to have to respond. Probably one of the reasons that they feel that they have
to push this bottom lane right now to be like, guys, we can't just always have the waves
coming against us. They even lift. I think this opens up some
words for a top, right? Like, Spritz is already on the other side, but there you go, the
the Ember TP back.
Okay, actually, I'm gonna maybe try to get aggressive onto the Sampson.
So, what?
The Master of Awards, but he's so healthy, so GPK is chilling.
They didn't even feel the need to pop BKB.
He's actually standing there farming the Master of Awards with no fear.
It's just high hopes.
Killing the Ember there was never going to happen with the two of them.
They needed a...
The plan was good, but the execution needed another hero.
Oh, now I have a Roshan's banner, 12,000 to protect some of the catapults.
Mal-Reen gets jumped upon both to activate the air on this, does blink himself away.
He still doesn't have the BKB though, so he needs to be careful.
Nero, jump the tombstone in between these barracks, could ensure that the ranged barracks fall
and see if they can get the melee as Alchemist falling very, very low on HP, but GPK buying
space on the back lines with his BKB forcing back the rest of Falcons.
opens up the space within the secure the range barric and the melee the full set
the ratting from Skeeter just got a whole lot more difficult.
Yeah he literally wasn't in his base well all of this was happening. He was
trying to rat mid but he didn't really have a wave because of what happened with
the ember on top lane. The top lane was also not really next to the tower so he
couldn't rat top either. On the flipside though falcons even though they lost the
side you can see that they have the firepower they just need to execute all
all their ulti's as well, smoke.
I would say this is very costly.
The way you play around your second summon is very important in this stage of the game,
So, just taking that bear away from them might stop any aggression from Falcons.
Aegis Timer is still there for a minute and forty.
ShpK was thinking about chasing him onto snaking, but snade did see the remnant coming.
Able to first dive out.
And boom in them.
They don't have that much time remaining on the Aegis, and they want to use it positively.
They actually eventually find snaking. There's nobility from ShpK.
Actually absurd.
The king does have buyback though, so he could utilize that to re-engage the fight.
Oh, 4th Force? Nice.
Okay, offensive 4th Buk into this Alchemist, but they can't kill him in time.
The Soul Rift kept him alive, and now the defensive nightmare.
And eventually though, they do manage to bring him down.
When he returns, he will have PKB at the ready.
Skeeter's bear, trying to stand tall in front.
Not gonna be able to do too much, as now he's getting jumped upon Miro.
Try to bring it down with the decay, forcing the PKB to be activated by the Spirit there.
And now Kiritich, he knows that there's no more Sonic Wave, no more Massup onwards, might still want to stick around to finish off this lane of Barracks.
Mero jumping onto Mal-Reen, forcing the activation of that Aeon disc.
Father, other carries are just sitting and hitting the buildings, but Kiritich wants out.
He sees Supernova's coming back in, dealing with the big team fight.
They're gonna bait though, force them out of the base.
Amar, he comes out throughout the gash, there's the Icarus dive forward, no Supernova just yet snaking.
Nice for the laser, but it gets cancelled out. There's a rat that connects onto Miro and the Emberspurt.
They can't kill Miro, yes! At long last, get attention, and join them in the grave as well.
To double kill for Mal'Reen. As GPK is forced to run, they do have the dead in the water though.
However, you activate the PKB, dragging this anchor. He needs to get out of here.
Don't get entangled. Don't get hexed. Unfortunately, he can do neither, and he ends up dead!
What a hole, they don't lose their sight, they take down the Aegis, they take down all three of their cores, right, like I'm dying, instantly respawns, he stopped infarming, he needs to be careful as well.
Look at the bear, it's hunting.
Bear's coming, try to get to the defender's gate, get broken, DKB popped, and the Earthbite to halt the bear's approach.
Just what a beautiful hold, they knew.
There is maybe a question of not using the BKBs on Alchemist, perhaps a little bit earlier, they allowed themselves to get caught, but
That's what Shadow Shaman is all about. That's what Ravage is all about and in these kind of circumstances
Falcons just played it perfectly
That's before even double Ravage is available. That's just for one. Now they're gonna try force these by them. They're putting into the base right now, Mero
There's no blood.
position here. He does have himself in the ultimate form, but his BKB is on cooldown for another 35 seconds.
Massive on what's happened, dropped. The very least they're controlling the bear, but there's no damage going on to the T3 tower.
GPK forced the 535 back. He even committed the full finger of death to kill the bear.
Nightmare back onto the peanut pain, but a mark right there onto the bane elemental, hitting him with the anchor as well as the sonic wave follow up from the peanut pain.
That's the kill. Beautiful trackers from Crit. No BKB for the Ember third.
There's a hex on the bear, so that'll prevent the second round of entangling close.
It's gonna be fine for now, but Skeeter still charging through.
This bear cannot be stopped. Finally the BKB returns.
It'll allow GPK to get out of here and not die back.
Kitted to the meantime, jumped onto the bear, able to bring it down.
But now Reed went to the back line. He has a vendetta against Ember, and he forces him to die back.
Can he get out of here as well? He can.
The beautiful four stars will pay for it with his life, but it's a cost that is well worth it
Falcons they just flipped this game upside down suddenly that's a dieback remember the way he moved
Like it wasn't a bad play from him if he initiates in the back lines
He was lotus so he reflects the orchid even on the phoenix
He was able to catch the back lines
But he didn't really play around the VKB timing very long and it forced him to lose most of his HP
the entangle after an entangle and keep in mind this is all pre agonies on the
launch rate like after the agonies comes to I'm not talking about the bear agonies
the droid agonies which you see way later down the line those entangles will
be pretty much non-stop game is now for the first time the entire game Falcons
have the gold lead here it's actually crazy that like let's say 10 minutes ago
We had six kills and yes, they've doubled it
But the kills I've been getting have always been high impact in this portion of the game
No, absolutely out of these
Seven kills that they have gotten in the last couple of minutes two of those are on embers
So that alone is pretty damn massive huge gold swing
This a on this honestly is just allowing Queen of Pain and Malrin to
really play the game freely and that's exactly what you want from Kwon.
This hero, I feel like she doesn't need a lot.
Like when it comes to the damage output, Aghanim's already feels mad.
The damage is already good enough. You just need to stay alive.
And the air on this kind of allows you to jump the backlines, use your spells.
If you get going on, you can still get away.
And speaking of actually some of the Aghanims, right, I feel like one of the best neutral item, Aghanim combinations.
If you have this contrast catalyst plus I can I'm going queen of pain. That is like perfect
It's a very good enchantment and
Neutral item for quap. They didn't nerf it. It was absolutely busted. It was slick
I
Think me pose were solo dying to the capitalist
Like it's it's just ridiculous anyone that takes it could solo kill heroes if they're come top together
But right now, of course, it did get nerfed a little bit. It's still pretty good on certain heroes
He even affords Falcons a 66% win probability.
Hit this middle, he's jumping with Miro, big shivers back, everybody just blinks away.
When was the last time the real Skeeter was not in these corners of the map?
He's going to stay here forever.
There's no reason for him to actually ever leave.
He's not only farming, he's healing the bear as well, right?
Because of Spiritling.
Oh my goodness, look at the damage being thrown out onto the line.
Does get sniped mid away, but it's not enough?
Doesn't look good. Shadow Shaman will follow him too.
One for one trade at this juncture.
GPK jumping in and out.
Somebody needs to collect this gym that's just sitting on the ground.
There's coming.
There is now coming.
There's a buyback from the Shadow Shaman.
They're going directly onto Nero's.
One of the wave was there as well.
He's still alive for now. Drops a tombstone.
But he's taking too much damage.
He's gonna end up taking out here.
There's a Ravage 2 to cancel the TP out from the Pale Elemental.
So both of those heroes end up going down, two of whom don't have buyback.
There was a difference between Lyon and Shadow Shaman, right like Lyon does not have buyback.
He used it in the last fight, same for Bane. Bane, there are two and a half minutes left without him.
Of course, 30 seconds respawn time, he should be there, attended Falcons buy their time perfectly.
Now they do not have all their ultis to just really push,
But when you're playing only against two heroes, this is at least the side.
Man, that hold that they had in the mid-league, if that hold doesn't go through, right?
They put the game for them in like three minutes later.
Oh, absolutely. That hold just absolutely turned the game.
Stop playing, go in the way completely.
TFP tower also being assaulted in the middle.
Support will return as this goes down, so Falcons will have to be content with this.
Get a titch, we'll still throw the unstable concoction, but Skeeter doesn't care, doesn't give a death, melee Barret, thank you very much, now let's get out of here.
Flare is both on the Spirit Bear, Bloodthorn, just way too much attack speed, way too much damage. Two sides up.
Now we're gonna go look towards the big man, so the spirit bear did pick up a bloodthorn
at the very end, which is very scary for this Ember spirit, given that his BKB is now at
a very short duration.
Yep, the 7 seconds right, like it lost X, that's how all me get caught with no way out
of this one, he did!
Oh my back available for him, Mero, still wants to maybe fight this one, dropping a two stone,
a kiddie titch, already starting to back off a little bit, Mero, can get Chain Disabled
in this position, it's very hard for him.
Now he jumps onto the high ground, they can't target him,
he gets us the sonic wave, hurting Kiritic heavily.
Now Kiritic, turning his attention towards the bay,
but he realizes he needs to TP out,
but no, his action claws deny the opportunity.
Big ravage as well from Amar on the back end of the fight.
In fact, it's over.
The fight's over, the game is over.
Falcons with the comeback, this deal of the century.
Am I watching money in the back with Edge?
Probably not, but it's Falcons
come through with the comeback they were they were bleeding green that whole game
became anemic but somehow they managed to claw themselves back into this one it was honestly
a masterpiece of a game considering the way that you want to play when you're rating this is
this is the way yeah they never the skitter was the most impressive as well because
i mean i know he's a rat everyone wants to hate on the hero or maybe on the player for playing
that way as well. But he never faltered under pressure, he never moved the bear back even
when they were losing one side on bottom, when they were still playing versus ages.
Like he didn't want to move the bear back, instead he just continued pushing, continued
farming his BKB and once he had it, once they lost the ages, that's where he's actually joined
the fight and turned the game completely. Absolutely, he did turn the game. I think it's
one of these, you said earlier in the game that they have to just delay proceedings for as long
as long as possible. Falcons, people might not like the playstyle, but this is why they
can keep winning, right? They can elongate the game, put you in an uncomfortable position,
basically negate the lead. Because with Austria at minute 20, right, with how far ahead they
were on their side, you would not have envisioned that this would be the result eventually.
Absolutely not. But you know what? One thing needs to be said. This bad boom draft, this
is like the sort of a draft that you pick in pubs to stomp someone so badly that they
GGL 20 minutes in, you know, like all these heroes are natural born, lane stompers and
early game finishers, but yeah, if you don't have objective taking, that becomes a little
bit hard.
You know, Shiva asked us before we started this game what we think about the draft, so
one of the things we were wondering is this Alchemist broken, but I think right now if
we're making a tier list of heroes at the top, Lone Druid really has to creep in there.
So Shiva, what do you think?
Is Lone Druid actually the Buster Carry of the patch?
There was so much more at play here than Alchemist versus Lone Druid.
I think this was actually, we say this a lot, this was beautiful.
We're retweeting that once in a while.
If you're playing against Falcons, it's starting to look like you're playing against
Spirit.
You know how we always used to say like when you're playing against Spirit, if you have
a leap, you never know when it's going to turn around.
I feel like the same thing can apply to Falcons where you're ahead.
great, but you never know when it can turn around and it always can turn around.
Yeah, I mean in this game, right, for BV they had a very strong early game utilizing on
dying, the line and then converting on the axe to keep fine pressure, the bane line hunting
the map to set up the play like everything you expect this draft to do, it did. But Falcons
they just understood, like if you skip enough waves, if you buy enough time, even like by
the top tier 2, they went for like a Phoenix plus Charon jumping the Ember, they weren't
trying to kill him, they're just trying to bait a TP back to the left-hand side of the
map of BBs on the right hand side trying to take racks you know like that's what
Falcons mindset was just keep the map as wide as possible because eventually they
will be able to get into the game with how strong their lineup is with items so
yeah Falcons they just were able to punish BB just kind of following a very
basic script and they couldn't cover. This goes down to draft execution I feel
like BBs are draft is a requirement to play almost perfectly throughout the
entire game up until the end but Falcons they understand they just need to
wait, wait, buy time, farm creeps, and they know that eventually it's going to turn around.
So they definitely have an easier draft to execute.
I mean, look, you have Tide of the Agnems, you have Queer of Pain, naturally you can skip
away so easily, right?
Like everything Falcons installed into their heroes was like, you know what, we respect
what you're trying to do, baby.
Like, even in the start of the game, it's going to all chatting, you know, nice pub
practice to the hat, or we're going to assume the mirror unrelated to undying probably.
Yeah, probably, yeah.
And like if you're all chatting that up from like minute zero,
you know exactly the type of game they're going to do,
because you've probably lost a lot of them in pubs,
where your team has no coordination.
He probably knows exactly what to do against it as well.
And what's a ban against it, which is why we saw those two bans at the end targeting Kataomi.
Overall, I think if that boom was able to play flawless,
they would have won this game.
It's easy to say, obviously, whenever anybody is playing flawless,
there's a higher chance that they win the game.
but for a long time they did very well but at the end of the day it is the queen of pain of
melrion that stands out most here this was a first phase pickup and we thought you know ember is
going to be a decent hero against it it kind of was okay melrion wasn't on top of the of the you
know the net worth charts for a long time but it was it was still super effective you don't need
I feel like Ember dealt with the Queen pretty well, but at some point, the Queen just becomes too strong.
The definitive mid laner for me, right now, you can just first pick it, you can get away with 99% of the scenarios, except maybe when Host Cross is not banned.
And as we saw this game, she just doesn't care. At some point, he gives these three items, and he just doesn't care anymore.
I mean his bottom net worth of all the calls for a decent time on the Queen
But like you said, you know what I'm gonna buy eventually we get some you can turn the game around
So you have to break them like when you when you you can you heard their net worth like they did you can't just let them back
On the map you can't hold a 12k gold leave of alchemist
Yeah, but you need to make that a 20,000 gold
Yeah, the fact that Falcon sneaker to a mentor is like unacceptable like look at your heroes
You have like the fact BB just let them on the map. I say let them it's kind of difficult
But you do have heroes to find these like little rats in the map. So I don't think they played to their best at stopping
You know them flooding onto the map to skip these waves and stuff
Yeah, and we did have that combat fight
Of course, we're gonna relive it as well as that is the one fight that burn it all around in favor of Falcons
This is this is the this hiding factor here
I feel like if BB over
Extended a little bit and then they get caught up in a bad position
position, they have this ravage, Ember tries to dodge apparently above him, and it's just
too much teamfight at this point.
The Falcons have their items, they end up chasing the Ember as well, he ends up dying
too, the Bane does fight back, and I think the Ember buys back as well after this point.
And from here on, it's just become a very smooth game for Falcons.
They know they can decide when to take the teamfight, they know they have the upper hand,
pretty much just ended the game very fast after this. I mean, you can see from that clip though,
like, BB, they had the vision, the hangar, the double century they had observed, they knew where
the bear was coming from, but their positioning was like, I don't want to say that unacceptable,
but like, it kind of felt like that. You know, you got your line just managerating the guy at the
low ground steps, like, everything about that fight just felt like it was just complacent.
That's maybe a better way to look at it. Like, I'm dying to see him press BKB. It's like,
in their heads, I think it's like, yeah, we've won this game, just go to another racks, look at how
we took the bot racks and the Falcons ago. We're ready. So yeah, one mistake. So thanks. This is
why they had to play a perfect game up until the end. Now, what the surprise factor was apparently
not really there with the undying on the offline, but we still like to highlight it a little bit.
It was also the recipient of the first agonimceptor. Yeah, just wanted to highlight kind of the
undying what he can do with it, right? And having nearly 14,000 net worth because of course getting
the agonins but conceptually undying I think can move into the category of good candidates right
he has the wraps he has halberd sorry not halberd he goes for the vanguard sorry my apologies
then looking at octarene to utilize the ags it makes sense the lane was good the pressure that you
plan the map is good like everything about undying with early agonins makes sense to take over the
game the problem is as always compared to other offlaners you don't scale into the game you always
need to play into the fight by walking in. We mentioned the Harpoon. Where is it? In the beginning,
right? I feel like he went over defensive. Yeah, he's getting gift to the Naganans. You need,
yeah, focus on the enemy. Yeah, otherwise pick Slardar. Yeah, or Slardar, yeah. Oh, that could work.
Yeah, just pick any, like if you pick it on dying in my head, I'm expecting a team that is to be
ruthless. It's to see, if you see a blip on the minimap for a millisecond, you'll carry the auto
running at them. I would have loved to see him blink on this one actually. Like go harpoon,
blink and then get get some anagurans. So yeah, you see a hero, a bear, it doesn't matter,
you just go right at it. It would have been a whole different game and potentially we will be
talking about a whole different result here but as it stands it is Falcons that is 1-0 up
against BedBoom in this best of three series. Let's see what's happening in game two after a break.
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Game 2 coming your way momentarily between Bed Boom and Team Falcons and it is day 3
of this Swiss group stage, and both of these teams are a 2-0 record right now, which means
if Falcons win just one more game in the series, they are guaranteed playoffs.
They'll be the first team to move to playoffs as well, and things are looking pretty good
for them right now.
They have obviously only dropped a one game yesterday, and they're doing it in a way that
no other team is doing it because they keep letting that alchemist through.
This was the first time in the game one that Betboom had their hands on the alchemist,
and it's one of those things that we feel like maybe everybody has experienced that
lost ones in order to think like okay maybe falcons do know how to deal with it so for bet boom i
want to know where do they go next i want to mention one thing what about the south thinking
oh i want to mention one thing about the salkanist you're allowed to go for it proceed falcons have
been the salkanist only with queen of pain that is true when they didn't get it they lost they also
picked it and lost with it so they joined the tribe of losing so they're not strong they're not like
this like almighty being of like, oh, we don't need to ban it, we beat it all the time and we win with it, you know.
But Dave, you're the only team that has to through anyway, so.
They're not that, they also can lose with it, so.
At least we're seeing Alchemist kind of full flat a bit.
Um, I'm kind of happy seeing it full flat, I think.
Like, to me, Alchemist right now is the same, that maybe we wouldn't know, it's not actually no other statement,
but you know when Lifesteal first dropped in 7.41 at Birmingham, we were seeing it banned out first phase,
Now it's not bad at all. Alchemist is like obviously much better than that
But to some degree could be the same concept where it's like it is a very good hero
But I feel like if you are a top team in the world
Alchemist it's like he shouts to everyone in strategy from minute one
You know exactly what he's gonna do you have to be good enough to be able to beat that through
Draft prep play prep something like Alchemist
You cannot just bad at every single game
I think that is too you're too victim to following the method if you are so I really respect falcons from
Identifying the farm of Amar because of out being in the car. Oh
Would the game have gone differently if the out could not give to Nagnans. Oh
Let me take hold up if they did the wits the wits
Strategy we just don't care about your course and just farm your items
Maybe more potential to get objectives faster higher on faster. You get maybe a heart
BKB Heart and run down lanes.
I have another question.
Hold up, go on.
Because we see it here again, but Boomi's first pick, Falcons' second pick.
So far, every single game Falcons has played here in this Wallachia, they've been second pick.
So they're prioritizing them, they like that, and that's the one where obviously they can leave the Alchemist.
And know if the co-op is going to be banned or not.
And they have the last pick.
Yup.
And they have the last pick.
It's a strength for Falcons, due to the nature of their heroes, they're most played, most popular heroes, they definitely enjoy having that slot.
I know I am an enjoyer of that slot as well.
Get some Oscar last week, of course they're buying it every game, but...
It helps that Falcons are picking Malorin's hero very comfortably in open phases, like the Sanking that we had, we saw from the good stats.
The Deathra for that he's tried, the Queen of Pain that we're praising to Great Lens.
to great lengths. He did not like that this profit. There's an asterisk on it, but the
fact is he now rings like allowing himself to be presented in the draft in open picks.
I think second pick is always nice when you have a call that's happy to do that and you
have like a clear identity. Playing second pick when you don't really know how to get
to the final pick of the draft is when you struggle. And then call it a Queen of Pain
again. So what we saw was yesterday when Falcons actually lost Queen of Pain, he was
Queen of Pain was picked up first and then Falcons came with the Alchemist and they also lost that. Yes. Yes, okay
And now there's still a Queen available. But the adjustment is Falcons have banned the Ember in places of Rubik this time around in the first place
So they they have respected GPK. I know he was able to do in the mid lane. Yeah, that's all coming. That's that's the key thing
Basically want to give you the understanding there's no Buscar. Ember is slightly
average annoying against the Queen and get it out
Now he's thinking he's gonna have a smooth game now and now baby
Do they react to themselves the second draft where it's like they think tight hunter was a bit of a problem with the farm that he had
He even though the game looked very good for baby tied hunter was at least in the top three network for the cause for the entire early game
I think maybe in the entire game pre acts being given around
He loves picking tight hunter into this alchemist. He knows he has a free lane
I mean although Tide generally does do good on lane, more so especially against the Alchemist.
I mean Tide and Verso were like the big two for probably having a free lane against the Alch.
And then of course other heroes in our place, you could argue for Hamar.
He definitely has some other heroes right?
You'd like to think.
Yeah.
During this phase previously it was instant bans coming out from Bed Boom with Chen and the Hood Wink.
This time around they're taking the time thinking about maybe banning one of the heroes you guys are talking about right now.
Because this would be the chance for them to change it up.
They did pick Bibi only with Sanking so far.
And there's no possibility of picking Sanking because I believe the Queen is set permanently.
But I would say that the identity of like Sanking copy, even if Sanking is more explosive to some degree,
like the axe build and the lat, Queen will still do the same thing.
person will frontline, give information, Queen of Perlin will identify the fight.
Sure, her damage could be a bit more over the entire traditional fight with Agnem and Dagger
Spam, but it's the same kind of starter here. One information, then jump in.
Yeah, as you say, it's the same style. It's not said that they have to pick BB with the tanking,
so they might still pull it off here. That's kind of about Phoenix.
Yeah, that was the pick that Falcons went for after the quap.
I do have to mention again, they have 24px and mod is drafting, 3 lane, Slark.
So what you're doing is a known tactic where every day, every game you say the same hero
again, like she mentioned, eventually she's gonna hit, and I'm still giving some reaction
reaction to that. Damn! But I don't know what you've been doing. I can't wait. I'll
still give you the happiness in the moment, but let it be known. This is now game three,
draft three.
Yeah, and this is the only hero that was banned in game one that was still in the pool with
the changeup of the bans and things and is Rubik going the way of Falcons.
A very strong hero this time.
An instant queen coming out. And the Void Spirit.
That's another way to deal with the Queen, but it's not as good as Ember.
I think they're not even close.
It might actually struggle on the lane even.
Yeah, it potentially will struggle.
I think support rotations will meet a lot in this matchup.
So depending on what the side lanes are for BV, can the supports even leave the side lanes?
Depending on how aggressive they are.
I just like Rubik.
Against these heroes, you just press Fade Bolt and you know you're going to have just a better time in a fight.
It's a bit more difficult against Void Spirit especially that has a balance of physical and magical.
It's going to suffer on both ends.
Like there's certain heroes in the game where they walk the line of like the items keep them alive because their damage is always a little lackluster.
I think Void Spirit is that hero, that like one wrong item, your damage can't disappear.
Yeah, definitely.
And it's going to be just a thing for BB to consider of course, just killing the Rubik first is always going to be very good.
I would validate this a lot more than people do right now.
The hero seems extremely strong. It has a great showing right now in this tournament as well.
It just secures offline basically. It fights almost all post-5 heroes in the patch right now and probably wins against them too.
Just do the nature of the face, as you said, you just can trade very easily since you reduced the damage and the spell damage of the enemies.
And the hero has great base stats as well.
I've seen some people do like 4 fairy fires.
Yeah, 4 or 5 fairy fires, yeah, just so they can trade better, especially when paired with the Tidehunters since he has the gush.
I have a question. This is bugging me.
Why would you, if you are any opponent of Falcons,
Why would you let Falcons have second pick every single time when you just end up playing to their tune because oh you gotta pick alchemists because they didn't ban it?
We still might be in the era of drafting where the coaches and captains go this is the hero that will win us the game.
You have the confidence in it.
How many games does it take?
You'd like to think if Falcons go 3-0 there's a wake up call for all teams in the group to go let's actually consider this.
The joy of competitive Dota and the loss of like statistics and stuff like that is like you have to adapt during the tournament
So I think as soon as that you get that break then it's like okay. Let's truly understand it
But I have a complicated question for you
You're talking about Falcons being last pick second pick every game, right?
So you as a coach you get to play against Falcons
Are you gonna let them have second pick and know exactly what they're gonna do or are you gonna give them first pick?
Going to the Abyss.
Going to the Unknown.
Because they probably have a lot of things prepared for First Kick.
Nobody knows right now.
So what would you choose?
Knowing or not knowing?
I would not know.
Because I believe in my team, my players.
And I don't need to know what Falcons are going to do.
Because I trust my team.
I know if I give my guys a good draft,
we can be any team in the world.
Right now, teams are giving themselves good drafts against Falcons.
Can you do it?
I'm going into Alchemist Baytune.
Yep, that's true.
How's Dom going to do here?
A little solid hero in this patch.
I don't know of any strengths of this hero.
The games I've seen so far, it's like greedy, right click scaling.
I've watched Ace play it, so maybe that's kind of skewing the perception of the hero.
To me, at least BB, it's like they have a clear identity of they are jumping one guy.
They want to blow up that one guy and when things go wrong dawns the insurance
So for falcons at least I think the rubik is still such an important here right now because with the shard that we've praised the great
Lips on our panels
You can break everything bb has right a voice for out double jumper a laundry at a cop whatever if crits in position you lift away
So you know not a solar guardian all the bbs draft can fall apart just from a single rubik
And a crystal maiden last big
garden
I just see you guys sitting with the most puzzled expression.
There's two teams in the world that will pick Crystal Maiden, alright?
It's Snaking on Falcons, and it's Katomi on BB.
This is the only time we'll see Crystal Maiden, probably.
But that one statistic that might have skewed my statement, but still, okay.
It's a very generic nil hero, frostbite against bear.
It's so slow.
If Rubik manages to steal CM's ult, Rubik's ult is like Crystal Maiden on crack, like it's mad, everybody dies, guaranteed.
As good as the ulti is, just not percasting her ult.
As good as the ulti is, Frostpite is an even better spell if Rubik steals any of Crystal Maiden's spells.
It's just big danger for Bipe, especially the voice print.
Think how he's gonna feel when he's gonna play against Rubik with a Frostpite.
They only pick CM in the hope to try and find a way for the out to play into the lane, right?
Crystal Maiden is a aggressive support in nature with your ability to have double spells, you buy like a mango,
you try to take the fight. If Rubik steps up, you are going to die in the lane.
Outside of that, it's just a quick game.
And then Falcons answer it with the underlord. They basically say, we don't care about your C, I'm just gonna farm, you're gonna do anything to stop me.
Yeah, I really feel like Falcons just understand this draft, I think, a little bit better than BB at the moment.
Like if the game is difficult, I think we're going to see the same type of play
Okay, right Queen of Pain will skip waves the bear with the axe will skip waves
Undilow will hold the high ground a firestorm with the root with the fadebolt
So falcons hard game great game whatever that draft can play it out the bb. It's just very script
They need to win the lanes out to hit timings and go and kill and find things. It's such a hard game for
bb because
They have this void spirit and alchemist is probably going to give axe to the void spirit because bone axe is just kind of
of underwhelming, but they have so many good answers for this voice pair. They have the
Rubik's Teal and Crystal Maiden spells. They have the Lone Root, Bear Root, and Fear. They
have potentially Enchantress Aghanims. Double Pit from the Anvil or the Veil Scythe to go
to Aghanims is going to have a hard time on GPK.
Yeah, but if he can somehow overcome all of that, if he somehow has to be like the GOAT,
like if Bb is winning this game, automatically GPK is MVP.
All right, yet again, he has to play a perfect game. That's fine because he can do it in the past
But I don't think it's gonna happen this time because it's so so difficult
My concern there for bb is that when you have dawn broken the off lane
You kind of want your carry to also join fights. So it's not just your mid laner who starts and without being the axe buying carry
Outs can be farming radiance axe give it to a dude dawn's going to be farming a jungle camp
They're both looking at gpk going. Hey man. Can you go do something? Yeah, but your hoodwinking and cm
They don't really break into the map. They kind of want to enable someone so GBK literally does everything
So BB you have to let you have fun with it
Yeah, my worry is that oftentimes when you guys talk about the drafts
You are talking about 24th pick very important overall last pick and a team to pick for the team that has first pick that is their
Pick that they can protect around with the balance. This is a dawn breaker for bedroom
So I want to hear what this dawn breaker is going to provide that any other off-laner does not what you can
Why is Dawnbreaker the 18th? Wow, this is awesome.
Strong lane, counter initiation, and he can be there for the aggression as well.
So I feel like BBs from last game and this game, they're looking to be the aggressors.
They want to get out on the map and make the place happen.
And I feel like Dawn can do it very comfortably without even leaving the lane or the jungle.
Like he can just farm, chill, things happen.
Ulti is there.
Hello.
the same thing. There's an underdog in this game. Because the counter is too off lane is
doing the same thing. They're like, hey, we're fighting it. Oh, I'm joining. All right. And
there's a boom. So it could be some epic fights in this. Yes. So that is going to be something
cool to look forward to. Let's see what's going to happen. Game number two with snare and lizard.
Thank you very much, Shiva. Yes, indeed. We're going into game two and I have some concerns
here, Lizard, right? I'm looking at this draw from Falcons. They are undefeated when they play
this loan drew it undefeated on their queen of pain undefeated on the rubik but the main problem i have
the damage reduction between fadebolt and atree free aura how do you kill any of these people
you've got a lot of it and your points are very fair i feel like when i'm looking at
bad bone drafts as well i'm looking at draft from the first game in a better version you know in a
version that isn't really as strong but they do have some strengths right then let's see how they
they will execute with him. They have played the Miero Dawnbreaker already, he did quite well,
he had a game without any deaths 4-0-10, he does rush the agonimes actually on the Dawnbreaker,
which is interesting, at least he did in that game with a quick armlet into the aggs, we'll see
if that's going to be the build. What do they get with the Dawn? Well, they get an offlane that
can kind of lane where Bear is pushing in all the time, and then just rejoin with Yolti,
which perhaps could be an idea.
But when it comes to mid lane,
I feel like Void Spirit vs. QWAP
is not as great as the Ember Spirit that they had in game number one.
Aghanim's is good, of course.
It's another very good Aghanim's receiver.
But overall, I'm a little bit worried
that Mal'Reen could have an actual game this time around.
Yeah, he was playing pretty much the night,
playing Dota for like 30 minutes in game one.
What happens if he doesn't get crushed in lane?
GpK will be able to pick up the bombs here in the panel was saying that he's
the one that needs to pop off the most in this game so given that he's probably
gonna be getting the agonim set from the Alchi what do you think the build is
gonna be for him? Let's see like just an agonim is early on maybe a bloodstone on
him as well just like everyone else is doing right now on every single spirit
mid lane I won't be surprised honestly to see that I think it's really good one
thing that comes to my mind though from this holding can dawn breaker this is a
This is strong lane. They are playing into an entrance and long druid.
But if they manage to just ignore the edge and go on the bear constantly, you have a
lot of reach and a lot of damage versus the druid himself.
So there is some kill potential between those two.
See how it all pans out.
We're all going to get started with our laning phase here.
GPK, a lot of pressure available for him. But even for Miro, right?
Miro is not really allowed to have a super bad lane.
He needs to be able to participate in the game meaningfully, need some good levels.
He's already zoned out by the way, just as I said that and just as you're talking about him
He's already being completely zoned by the bear. Oh, no, he might die. Oh, okay, that was very close
If they were closer with Snakey, that would definitely be a death
Yeah, I feel like for this lane to work the way that I envisioned they need to get a level 2 fast enough
Perhaps even level 3, but level 2 is
Basically where they do have some power spike where they do have the strength to kill the bear
Or the druid, the bear might be a little bit too tanky for them.
Sneaking is not going to be going for our new favorite 440 build, it's going to be prioritizing these heals.
Yeah, for the best. There's just so much damage coming out of these two, going for a 440 build is...
Especially versus a hoodwink, where you can actually hit Mr as well.
The chance is quite high, so using impetus against her is probably not the best this early on.
I can slow down by the Enchants here, but very nice pushback to hold back the Dair and
Snape.
This is the courier though, kind of a big deal, but that was to solve a little less region
for him to work with.
Just to have a couple tangles remaining in the inventory, so hopefully he can utilize
those.
Then the other side of the map, Amar.
Much as I love Underlord, this is actually one of my favorite Orphan heroes in the entire
game.
You don't really expect them to be bullying and shouting out churches. Not like some slaughter or play, right?
You're just playing heads up into them.
Probably not, but this combo is actually kind of not bad. You're playing Rubik and Underlord.
It's one of those combos where lift is actually a very usable spell as you can, if they go for Pit of Malice a little bit earlier,
you can root, lift into another root. It could lead to a kill.
I mean, these are just my dreams. I'm dreaming of Alchemist feeding, honestly, at this point.
I mean, I'm seeing this guy every single game.
I think we've had almost all of the Alchemists.
All our games are Alchemists, yeah.
It's kind of crazy.
Bottom, they're finally going to go onto Skeeter, as you said, once they achieve the level 2,
and Skeeter indeed is going to die, save, securing the first blood for Pet Boom team.
Yeah, like this is something that they've got for themselves.
I think that this lane could go real bad for Falca's real fast.
If the laundry dies one sort twice without the resummon, that's where the hero looks really weak, because he comes online way too late.
See if Beckham team are going to be able to leverage the aggression again, perhaps wait until level 3 next time.
Stop playing, Maastal just farming away, Kiritich farming on the tower.
Kirit might be in some danger here, they need to get vision for the concoction to land, but Kiritich can't find it.
When I end up self-studying and that might be to his death,
head of malice and tandem with the firestorm,
Crit, confine the telekinesis,
send it on the crystal maiden instead.
Kattaomi looking back towards Crit,
having a 1v1 fight will actually win it.
What a boss, Crystal Maiden.
Kattaomi dies, but hashtag worth in the end.
It's a 1-1 trade.
Absolutely.
Super boss plays from the Crystal Maiden.
Both of these heroes actually had a lot of
usable items.
Fairy fires, Lotus as well.
Jebaiting on one side and on the other Indian. Underlord is probably happy with
what just happened, like he got some solid experience.
How's the Smith lane doing? So previous game of course GPK was crushing Maureen
but as you said it's not gonna be as good of a matchup. They did do one thing
though, they secured the water room for GPK and that's already a pretty big deal
preventing the Queen of Fame from pressuring him further even forcing
the queen of pain to go back to the fountain to refill.
Now Blaine, Rubik might end up losing his life here.
Kiritich going right after him, bringing him down within the asset spray.
It's an excellent kill.
Amar will clean up some of these Volkine Raiders.
Will eat some damage for them in the opposite direction.
They have stun again.
They might actually be able to bring him down.
The stun is being channeled.
Amar doesn't have any spells.
He will pop the magic wand.
They can.
He will try to help, but fighting into the firestorm right now does feel a little bit
iffy.
So they'll let him live.
Yeah without the asset spray.
Okay, Valkyrie maybe had the mana for both spells, that's almost certainly a kill, but
like this there is no way.
He just manned up, right?
If he started running he probably dies, but stood his ground and continued hitting.
He's going for the ATOS by the way, build on Underlord.
I mean, kinda cool.
This was a build, if you remember when Underlord was played on Mid lane as well for a little
bit.
We'll provide an additional route for themselves.
Yeah, some extra catch is always nice. You are playing into Void Spirit, their catch is literally lift, that's it, lift into the root.
One of the differences we see from the previous game is that now it's Falcons who are bringing multiple heroes mid to assist their laner.
I don't think GPK will die just yet in this position, but it does mean that he's not going to be able to just rely on say a random bushwack to chain into the kill on the Queen of Pain.
Yeah, one thing as well, when it comes to this draft of Falcons, if they played the same way that they played in game number one,
their teamfight isn't really as strong. It's decent, but it's nowhere nearly as strong as a ravage plus supernova.
This time around, you've got some roots, maybe, if Rubik steals a good spell, of course.
Crystal Maiden's ulti is a nice spell to steal, but that's pretty much it.
shit.
Get in touch now, back in the jungle, farming around there, chillin'.
I wanna see what Miro's gonna be building into in this game on the Stormbreaker.
Yep, these previous builds were armament and tracks.
I still see from most of the offlaners, there's like two paths, right?
Like you have the selfish path, where you're going literally for right click damage, with
the arcane, the zoon, and stuff, and there's a different path where you are literally playing
for the team and you're still buying agonims early on. The agonims could be given to him,
but I sincerely doubt that the first agonims will ever go to him.
In the meantime though, his lane counterpart despite being the one that tanked the first
blood, will doing very well in the form department, just loaned through with things.
Did anything change when it comes to zoning the Alchemist out of the lane?
Last time they had the Alchemist, no, overshadowed out, but cultured be quite not about damage.
What's your zane?
They just had the Alchemist defending the tier 1 tower for the longest time, right?
And I'm trying to figure out what kind of rotation could switch things and change things.
I feel like it's more or less the same, you do have some percentage base damage from Underlord this time around, so might pressure a little bit better.
And I guess in the previous game with how well GPK was doing, he will have to rotate more and now GPK, rotation comes towards him, both supports are there.
And he will ensure he gets the kill, amplified damage, making sure the Queen of Pain falls.
faults. They're securing the runes a bit better on pet boom. I have to say they've been doing a
really good job ever since the water runes. Like the water rune, the six minute rune, now the eight
minute rune as well. GPK will expend some of that amplified damage dealing with some creeps in the
meantime the supports were moving top. Maybe hoping to find a mar but he's already vacated the area,
he comes back, he sees GPK. Well that passage of play is over.
Dyer's bottom tower is under attack.
give us support a lane to get the level six like let's say Falcons give to
sneaking if he's playing Phoenix or something instead that they're just
trying to make plays all the time it's a riskier play but if it works out it's
really good
GBK I'm gonna be going for a mage layer it seems on this on this voidspray so
that's gonna be the build up we're not gonna get that like spirit vessel or
or whatever.
I'm also curious what the underload is going to be.
In a lot of games you see the underload go like some crimson, some greaves, some pipe
of insight.
Because I don't really see him amazing here, so maybe he chooses to go differently, like
some load is all, or early agonimceptor for himself.
Well, for now it's still the ATOS that he has queued up.
So we'll see afterwards.
All of these items are good, that you just mentioned, I mean pipe is always useful in
this kind of a game. It's alright. It's not like an insanely good item but it's still pretty good.
Crit in search of some experience to do this mid lane as the creeps come in. Ideally,
hoping not to get jumped and get closer to level six but they're waiting in the wings here with
the crystal maiden but he's not showing playing very very safe here on this route. His job right
now is literally just to show up to the wave, use a fade vault, prevent the wave from exactly like
like this. Prevent the wave from hitting the tower. Opto.
Now Rhee actually blinked in. GPK was right there with the 8th Remnant. They just didn't
be able to kill him. Miero showed up as well with the ultimate. Now Crit is going to be
the one that's in trouble. Manages to dodge the starbreaker though. Not enough movement
speed from Miero.
Yeah, Malvin greeting out a little bit. It's a Karthi lane. You always set up this kind
of a gank on a Karthi lane. And even though Rubik already dealt with it with the Fade
Bolt, he just moved in for like two last hits that he could have gotten there. So the risk
was I die but I might get two last hits. Yeah it didn't really pay off in the end. They will
lose the tower as well, most likely.
Bomb bottom Mero has TP'd back, Ascita's trying to put pressure on the tower. Do you see GPK
tanking quite a bit of damage here from Mal'Rean? Will C-Dragon, is it going to be able to finish
off the tower? No, Mal'Rean will at least get the deny on the tier one.
I feel like he reads Amar exactly the way Amar likes to be playing.
If Amar sees a way to kill you, he will attempt, he will try that play.
But of course, it was all a bait because of the chemical rage.
The moment chemical rage is up, there is no way in hell.
An Underworld is going to solo kill An Alchemist at this point in the game.
An Alchemist of course, gonna juice up the network of this Alchie, bring him closer towards the Radiance.
But in the meantime, on the other side, in a inversion of what we saw in Game 1,
where Skeeter was forced to play Super Skate very early on,
Now he's just by himself taking casually a tier one tower
Where's the dawnbreaker if she's alone you you can definitely do this you can zone her as a
Laundry without any problems and they opted not to play around her, which is normal Ruby
Somebody had to die and maybe they're gonna still keep the chase going on to the under load
They only committed one step for that one
Alchemist is also chasing in behind a mile realizing he's in danger
trying to slow down this Alchemist, but they have so much disabled here.
See if anybody comes to help save him. Doesn't seem to be the case.
Even freezing. Field committed for that one.
This nail is tanky, right? So if you want to get this kill, it's...
better save them, sorry. Use all your spells. Make sure that he dies quickly.
No need to waste your time.
Unfortunately for Falcons, of course, they have...
They have the Enchantress and this is the sort of a hero that isn't really great at responding to ganks just TPing in
She's great at setting things up
but
Yeah, a TP from an ench in that situation just absolutely does nothing
He's actually going early aggs on the ench as well. It's the new build
I feel like every single ench player right now is just rocking this early aggs
It's good. I mean the look if you're in a game in which even your underlord on offline is buying a talk
I think then the Agnes on enchantress is probably worth your while
You know we'll be able to collect the shine of wisdom not gonna get stolen away top actually might be aggressively into a mother's
Fun, you're gonna stop on both of them. We couldn't get the proper range hoodwink here
But couldn't find the angle for the bushwhack either that's so unfortunate
I feel like he definitely could have. He was in range and everything. He just used the
Ecrash shot all the way up there.
Not so wide. Oh yeah, I can see the tree here. I thought maybe he wasn't under load like
in this little alcove in the trees.
He was out of vision. Maybe he expected him to be a bit up north or something, not sure.
The remaining GPK is going to be dealing with the underlords and reveal of the lot of ATOS with the Sonic Wave as well and shows the kill onto the voice grid.
Mirakei main trying to save him, but might regret this, gets caught with the pit of malice trying to TP out, but there's absolutely no way that's allowed.
Amar and the boys clean up two cores on the side of Bedboom team and will turn this into momentum.
They're not actually going for the tier one tower, they're going to twingate somewhere.
They're going to go home, heal up, come back, and then take the tier one.
Just then we'll be back home. A very quick reset for the teammates. A wholesome, wholesome ulti from the Underlord in the end.
Yeah, the Void Spirit is not going to have a good time now that the A-Toss has been completed.
And you know what? Every time I see this Alchemist kind of a draft, I always think, don't deal with the Alch.
Deal with the hero that will be getting the Agnes, right? Like make him as miserable as possible.
Katalmy, mid lane. Also might be a bit miserable.
his channel is ultimate to get out of here but the pit of malice ends up killing him
one for godless, Amar claims another kill, GPK can't connect on to anybody with the
8th Remnant.
But basically the idea is if you make this Void Spirit pretty poor as he is right now
he's the lowest net worth core and if you itemize for him and the Alchemist literally
has to put 4.2k net worth into the Void Spirit.
I mean, maybe that sounds like a very good strategy to me.
Especially if it's a hero that's under as much pressure as GPK is.
You know, with Wasteproach, all the squirreff, probably the most volatile one from the mid lane, right?
Not allowed to make as many mistakes as you could in other ones.
Absolutely, top lane.
KS.
Danger here, I'm gonna come try and save him.
Solo Guardian, more connect.
Oh, that's the stolen Guardian!
Oh no.
You confused me a bit.
I'm looking at that.
Looking at that, I know that he just used it, so it was still almost on the edge of the cooldown.
And he was not getting kills, right?
Yeah, Katoumi gonna find more danger. This time, here's the original.
Solar Guardian comes through onto Amar. Wushrak is there as well with the Sharpshooter.
They have to kill. Amar does die, but he won't ensure that he takes Katoumi with him.
Miro now also in danger. He's still inside of Kata Dallas.
He's trying to arm the toggle for all he's worth, but he dies during the Starbreak animation.
GBK realizes he has to retreat.
Maureen, considering the chase, realizing it's out of mana, will decide to let him go.
Is this the kind of a game, if you're playing Void Spirit, if you're playing even the Dawnbreaker?
Could you be thinking about very early BKBs at this point?
I mean, when you look at Falcons and what they're doing, they're doing it without a laundry.
It's 4 against 5 right now, more or less.
And you are dying to basically roots.
When it comes to all other control, it just isn't there for Falcons.
They have no BKB piercing stuns, they have no stuns.
Okay, they might be able to get a kill here, Aether is out.
Not enough damage, unfortunately.
Oh, that's just... ooh, come on.
That was wholesome, you caught me, you know.
You didn't kill me, but you caught me, kind of a dip.
Hey mate, the security is now under some degree of danger, inside the roots we will end up
stealing the concoction from him but he gets out in the end.
We have seen a lot of rubic games, right, like this hero is contested right now, he's
in a good spot.
This is one of the rare games where I feel like if you press R and on any single hero
on the enemy team, whatever you steal, it's good.
Well, maybe not Starbreaker.
Starbreaker is not that good.
It's a-
So, it is a good-
But yes the rest is pretty legit.
Alright now.
Did you see Amar?
Leveraging a lot of ATOS in the top lane.
Going off the save.
GPK will be there.
Gonna turn this around.
Here comes the solo Guardian.
It will land, but not directly onto Amar.
Thankfully Kataomi is there with the frostbite to ensure the kill.
GPK leaps in the wrong direction.
Still get back on top of snaking.
As he's back with the 8th Remnant.
Starbreaker will be there, Mirol finding himself a double kill.
Yeah, Mirol obviously going for a more slightly hard port.
Echo Seabro already there being built up.
But this is the power spike that we were waiting for, right?
Void Spirit now has his Agonym Scepter, has that theory of silence to work with.
Let's see if they can maybe take down the bear.
Immediately goes down the bottom. Ah, Skeeter able to juke away.
gonna be fine. Crit will happily tank this game. He's gonna die, but Skeeter gets to
live, retreat back into the jungle. That's actually a pretty big hidden buff to
launder it. The bear breaks smoke now. Yeah, because it's a hero creep, right?
Like it actually just broke their smoke.
Very unfortunate situation to be in if you're on the side of Bed Boom team. And
And the last Kiritich is going to do the same thing that he did in the previous games.
He's not going to go directly into the secondary aggs.
He's going to start to play his own game, blink BKB and see if he can get involved with the scene.
This seems to be the standard right now.
Before Valachia, most games I was seeing the double aggonyms.
People would just yolo out completely into the double aggs.
But in most of these games during Valachia, the team that has the alchemist is pressured way too much to accomplish that.
Like, as a position one, eventually you have to join these fights.
He's spending a lot of time moving around with GPK and the supports, but I'm able to really find anything.
Thankfully his net worth isn't fladed by the Agadims, but...
...does need to get more active on the map to continue scaling, especially because of how well Malrina's farming almost has his Agadim set to 50 gold away on the screen of paint towards having it.
He's had a much better game, right?
And when you think about the optimization for him, I think it's a little bit easier as
well.
He might go for the aim on this.
Even just the PKB is good.
I don't feel that he needs to commit into both, like he did in game number one.
So, a little bit easier for him to play, and also when you look at these heroes on the
other side.
Damn, this Shadow Strike usually hurts, but if you're a crystal maiden and a hoodwink,
It trips you apart. You're losing half of your HP.
Uh, he's gonna go for the stolen Starbreaker, does get the stun, but save his day with a
bush like ensuring that they bring down Crit. Miro though, struggling to stand his ground
against this bear, but will get some assistance from Kiddich. They killed a bear and will
be able to claim the shrine.
So Miro almost has access to his BKB, just needs one more creep camp to finish it off.
Ekko Saber, Omnit BKB, they're making sure that there is somebody on the team that can
outlay some physical damage in the periods of time before Curitich joins the fights completely.
Kind of cool right?
Like they have multiple sources now, top lane, Amar, okay, let's get the interesting.
I think we should be able to actually kill him here, Miro shows up,
and I'm getting healed up, though, snaking there with the attendants
afterwards to ensure that the bar doesn't fall.
Miro is the one that needs to go away.
Sonic Wave pushes him out, but he should still TP!
Just in time!
Yep, so kinda even, nothing really happened.
Besides one pretty big thing,
Eurubic again stole the Solar Guardian,
which is one of the easiest spells to steal,
of course the moment that don't break her hits the ground you can take it
they're actually going to go try to do something with it right now
they smoke up peanut pain and the two support sonic wave is down
they're going to be a jump in from gpk onto the backline two hero silence
and now kill it it's fine to crit should be able to kill him before he uses the stolen
solid guardian bushwhack on peanut pain it shows that she dies as well
for bedroom team they read the movement very well they responded
they get two pit kills they had one really nicely in word on top
which scouted a bit of the movement.
There's a mine danger here.
Now try to get himself through the gates at the east shore.
By the way, he's going BKB into Glybnir on the Underlord.
I know that we were wandering a little bit earlier,
so after that it will be the Agoninceptor.
As before, nothing really crazy happening, but
no utility that we come to expect from the Underlord on the offlane.
Just pure control.
Which is something that they truly do lack, so it's understandable.
Agonyms by the way also completed on snaking, so you have that root as well, some extra damage coming in as well.
They're actually building zero utility.
We can count the 4th staff that Enchantress and Rubik are trying to get, but...
He's got shards, he's got shards on Rubik as well, he bought it.
Easy buy it out, okay.
You can't list someone at least.
Walking in with Lee for the Alchemist drafts.
Not really that bombastic, and they're thinking about sneaking into the Roshan pit here,
but at the very least using the Roshan pit as cover to jump up on the high ground looking for the Rubik, they can't find him!
They won't still get him with the Frostbite, they should still die in the air and save.
Happy to commit the sharpshooter for the kill.
Playing Rubik in this kind of game and not having any mobility is basically death sentence.
Every time they see you, you're pretty much dead, because of the silence, right?
Like, Void Spirit jumps you, you're silenced, you can't really get away, you can't use your Shard, defensively either.
Alchins did scan over the Roshan Pit, they assumed that something was happening, but now they will see some of these heroes showing.
Hit a teach.
Very, very close.
Towards at least having that Plague Mail, giving himself some bonus survivability on the way to the AC.
I think he's already more or less activated, this kind of an alchemist with a blink BKB and radiance can join fights, so we will not shy away from doing something like this, taking the tower.
But I feel like falcons more or less are playing the same game they did in game number one, with an addition of enchantress just constantly skipping waves as well, you can see the troll summoner on the mid lane.
on the mid lane. Another thing that Danganin gives you, by the way, is two creeps, one
edge. So he's sending one creep mid, one creep bottom, constantly pushing out.
Very frustrating style of Dota to play into. Speaking of, he's actually going to come across
Kataromy. They'll invite the Underlord to come through with the fiends gate. Kataromy,
though throws off the ultimate he was already dead in the meantime, Kiritage, went directly
onto Amar with the help of Miro coming through with the Solar Guardian. They burst through
the underlord, that will definitely open up the path to Roshan. Underlord doesn't have buyback,
but with very popchemical rage, I'm not so sure they'll have the opportunity to do so.
Skita sending in his bear, zoning them back, and they end up stealing the Desimilate for
Crypt. Very useful spell. Yeah, doesn't get the steps, but the Desimilate is still pretty good.
Void Spirit does have a Manta now to dispel some of the roots, perhaps the Shadow Strike as well.
Of course one of the more natural build-ups on the Void Spirit, especially when you are given a Nagon Inceptor
And he's going a little bit into scaling by the way too. We've talked about
The Dawnbreaker and the armlet into Harpoon, but he's going scuddy next
This is like one of those Void Spirits, you know, just he wants to punch
Do you remember that brief period of time when these Void Spirits were building like Daedalus?
That was some fun times. Those Astral Steps were kind of insane.
Oh, I can hardly... I cannot ever forget that. I was playing sports.
Oh, you experienced it first hand.
One Astro step and I'm dying.
Oh, here it is. It might be in some danger here. His team is coming through with the TPs.
It didn't have access to the Solar Guardian for another 10 seconds.
It was a really funny initiation, by the way.
into the stun of the lift, but he lifted the creep, he didn't lift the alchemist.
Hit it, itch.
You need to try to get the bear.
They do get the stun, now Savage Roar was out.
Now with the additional frostbite, even with the freezing field,
you ensure that this bear does indeed go down.
Yeah, just delaying the items of Skidder.
Like, he even tried using True Form, tried to help out the bear as much as he could,
but it doesn't really help out.
Of lane Amar, he needs help as well, but there's no stolen Solar Guardian this time around.
GPK on top of him will mentor Dodge the Rair of Aetos. They do find Amar.
Elsewhere, Miro. Take some damage in the mid lane, but no appetite from Falcons to chase him further.
You can see that Amar, even though he is getting kills, he's also died quite a few times. He's known
six deaths. It's not the tight hunter that he used to be in the last game, but not only that, he also
We mentioned the utility right? The utility something like crimson probably keeps him alive in a situation like that one
Because he went for such an offensive build
He doesn't he cannot survive these engagements whenever he gets gone on. He's pretty dead
He switched top by the way. No Glypnir. He's going for Shiva's next instead getting some armor is
probably a good idea
Now, Ren in the meantime has his BKB, it's flying off on the Korea as we speak.
So that could precipitate the next move here from the side of Falcon, that the Ma has respawned.
There's a Shadowblade on the bear as well, right? Yeah, there is.
So he's got a Shadowblade, not there with the Silver Edge yet, but more or less, this is the gold time for Falcons.
They can already start thinking about fighting, the next two items for the bear are basically
Silver Edge plus BKB, and then you're fully six-lotten.
Kata only
I still have the Aegis
So you lose your offering, you lose your support, but you did take down Roshan, you took the Aegis
Not the best trade for Petpoom, but it puts them in a decent position after these two heroes have respawned
Any secondary agonist scepter, enjoyers by the way, it seems like heritage will not be buying
It seems like heritage will not be buying
Like the charity is over boys pull yourself up by a bootstraps run an agony and get it yourself
There isn't really a not great. Yeah, I
Guess like don't don't access this decent. It's okay
He he bought it himself the last time they played on breaker
But that was also a very quick game in which if you buy the agonist after it's kind of a tempo oriented build
If you buy an X-Scepter very early on of Dawn, teamfights become a little bit...
You have too much sustain for the enemy team to deal with.
If you're ahead, if you aren't ahead, then perhaps it's not as incredible.
Besides, he's building very offensively, right? Not paying around the solo Guardian,
paying around being able to get on top of heroes and killing them quickly.
He's waiting for the Abyssal Blade after he picks up the Zagon and Shard.
Let's see, maybe perhaps Gabon will bless him with a shard, so he can get there faster.
Nope. Oh, actually he does get blissed!
Nice.
There's one thing that I have also noticed when it comes to hoodwink players, like most of them are not even buying the shard anymore.
Like they're just waiting for their turn when it comes to the tourney.
Stop playing, speaking of the hoodwink.
You maybe wants to get on top of this player but nah, too late, so great as they popped.
He is gonna get out safely.
He does have a shot queued up though after he finishes his Aetherlands.
We'll see, maybe he buys it even before the Aetherlands right, like he didn't buy a single item, yeah, he queued it up now.
Let's get up.
I'm up there, there's P's in kill again.
There is it.
Oh, did it get stuck? Oh.
Whoo-hoo-hoo-hoo!
Realistically, there isn't really a lot that you can do as a crystal maiden to prevent that from happening.
As long as you're in vision, you will be giving away the freezing field.
Massive, massive skull for Rubik.
I'm gonna go for a blink back as his next item.
If he can get there, by some miracle, I'll still have him in the back pocket.
But, he needs to survive first. He might die. Nice little self-lift to get himself away from Kiritich.
He's handling the force off.
That's so much change by the way as well.
Adlain, come on.
He doesn't have such options.
BKB TP out, being attended.
We'll make it, he's cool.
Yeah, unfortunately for Romero,
he is building into the basher,
but he doesn't have it yet.
Yep.
Adlain, Maureen also forced them to a BKB scenario.
Linking away.
And all of a sudden,
Red Moon team are just playing super aggressively.
They're pushing in two lanes at the same time, getting it.
Yeah, I would take all of the Southern,
But they've been slowly ramping up with every single hero.
Like if you look at the ball, like she hits like a truck.
And same can be said for the Void Spirit Man.
This man has a Scotty, and he is going for the Daedalus, by the way.
Hey!
Okay, they're gonna get caught up by now.
They bring it down.
Shout out GPK, bringing back the memories.
I mean, why the hell not?
Every single hero on the side of Batboom just wants to hit hard.
and Daedalus definitely enables the Void Spear to do that.
Bro, both him and Miro actually, they went for the gun part of the watchlist.
So, no, none of these utility route rules, none of them. We're trying to hit rules, man.
Miro jumping in, finding Crit, gonna be able to try and kill him.
Starbreaker from Crit will help, but the damage from Miro is too big.
And this is a good thing for two reasons, right? Obviously you want to get this gold,
but you want to get Freezing Field away from the Roofing.
Speaking of freezing field, Amar is fighting out just how good the spell can be.
That's two heroes down, Amar doesn't have my back.
And Kiritage.
Looks like he'll be able to maybe grab this tier 3 tower if they don't lift it.
He does just get it, there's no clip available.
Still has BKB by the way, so he's not really threatened here.
25 seconds with GPK still having the stages.
The game is...
Isn't this the exact thing that happened in game number one?
Just the other side that we'll take.
To be fair, better watch further ahead than Falcon for at the stage of the game.
The biggest difference that I see between game 1 and 2 is the teamfight from Falcon is way worse.
So I don't think that they can clutch this one out just by sheer teamfight power.
They have to individually outplay.
But another thing is the itemization from Dawnbreaker versus the itemization from Undying.
Undying was itemizing to be a wall breaker, it's just a full-on, hard-pwned basher, armlet, like this is all right with it.
It was a bit surprising to me when Undying in the last game even switched up because he had the same build queued up,
and then he just completely disregarded it and went through something else.
Dawn.
That's a DD on Spirit Breaker, oh sorry, on Spirit Bear, he's breaking spirits as well,
as he does have a PKB now completed too.
I'm not letting this go though, GPK and the boys have smoked up, they're coming in towards the bay.
GPK will know that someone's here as the smoke will break, but they didn't really know the direction to go towards.
That is pretty stupid, like when I'm seeing this, the more I see this, I'm like this is stupid.
It's super, it's super. Like playing versus something like this.
I mean, it's basic Dota, it's one of basic Dota strategies,
drafting, but the only difference is you're never in any true danger.
Like if you're playing Nipo and you're in this kind of situation,
you get caught, your hero is dead.
Laundry, nah, just 3 summon, go next.
there's a pretty scary powers by a coming gang. level 20 for kata omi if he gets
the freezing field damage and he has bkb at that point so far we haven't seen
that many like multi hero freezing fields because they just cancel it out
what do they do then? a lot of damage that he comes through magically as
Kiritich finds the stun out onto Skeeter's bear, forcebox into kata omi
Kiritich actually jumps back in he's within the pit of malice they're
orange control the crystal made it they can't get Kiritich out of here he's
He's just stuck in the middle of the phrase, and now the Skeeter Bear will come back towards him.
Kiritich, push back with the Sonic Wave, get the Stunned Dog, though.
He's fighting for all his life!
Katya Omi!
Throws in the Fleece Shield, the Solar Guardian comes through as well!
Kiritich is still alive at the end of all of this!
It's a double kill for the Alchemist.
Multiple heroes have fallen, but Katya Omi with the worst worthwhile buyback of his entire life,
turns the entire engagement, allows Beckboom to walk away victorious.
Damn, just absolutely insane how long this man on Alchemist first was saving his BKB, he didn't want to use it early on, and then second just how long he was able to stay alive.
Dawn was still dead for 10 seconds, and they still take that fight, because they just believe that they can survive for 10 seconds, basically, is all they needed for the Dawn ulti to come in.
Oh my goodness.
This? This is looking good for that moment.
Second lane of Brax is in the cars right now for them.
Amara 20 seconds in the grave, alongside Snakehane and Mal'Rean.
He might have gone too close to the Sun here, came in to throw in a couple spells.
They will teach him very quickly the era of his ways.
80 seconds in the grave, no buyback. This is just either Mega's or the game.
Well, they can't get Mega's. Tier 2 on bot lane is still standing, right?
And the bear is pushing top with two carties.
So basically you had one option to go back or to go for Tron. They didn't really know what the situation with the buyback on what this
They moved back
Don't break enough picks up the second of the soul blade of the game
Look at you teach. This is Gary teach. Well, you like you didn't teach anymore. This is Gary teach now
I'm cut out man. I think really this changed everything right?
I think the supports did a really good job at wasting time.
The bear was chasing them, the Queen of Pain was chasing them, no one was really dealing
with the Alchemist.
It was just the Enchanters and the Underlords, so by the time the bear was there, the Dawnbreaker
was already up.
The moment Dawnbreaker is up, that fight is over, it cannot last any longer for Falcons.
Well, now you have to deal with the Roshan, he just has a banner.
Falcons.
Now, what is the play here?
Skeeter's bear, obviously, is going to continue to do Skeeter bear things.
But when you're pushing, doing this meta to two sides of super creeps, it's a lot more
difficult.
Okay?
Snake King almost looked like he was going to be a free gift, but the four star came
through before the Aether remnant so he's fine. Defending the last side is still not
the hardest for Falcons or I should say it's not really easy for Batmul to push
into the high ground you are still playing versus Underlord versus Firestorm,
Pit of Malice and Chanch is hitting you from the high ground you know it's it's
not so simple but let's see maybe they can brute force it if they find the right
pick off. Badalus is online of course for GPK so if he ever gets a B or to
somebody, he hurts a lot.
Carriage, stealth stuns himself.
GPK is forced to go in alone for now.
It's a matter of waiting for the silence, but he's caught inside the pit of Malus.
Katahomi though, freezing field, buying space and time.
He will get savage road and hit with the sonic wave.
So he should die here at the same time.
GPK going in with Carriage.
If you're looking for the rubric, they're all going to be able to find crit.
Now they're isolating the bear.
This bear should die as well.
No buyback available for either of these two supports.
Did you just read some of the news, BKB?
I mean, it's in the bear.
I think he did.
Oh, no.
He wasted the BKB.
They won't have a BKB bear for this fight.
I don't see my veteran team want to leave right now.
They have a miracle advantage.
They have the Soshawn's banner.
Eventually, though, they back up a little bit.
Skeeter's bear goes forward, destroys the banner.
The Tier 3 tower, though, is in mortal peril.
The next time they do this, it will break,
and they probably will get the megas.
There's no chance that the BKB, when you die,
goes after your resummon. There's no way.
There's no way.
But I've also on the proper cooldown, as if he just used it.
Yeah.
That's probably what he was hoping for, either to save the bear first or to resummon and
then it kind of, yeah. It was...
It didn't work out in the end. They do hold, but it's definitely costly.
The Aegis is still there on the Void Spirit. The moment Crystal Maiden is up, this is another push.
There's another Agamemes on...
And another queued up, like he has one and he queued up another one.
Who's this one going to here?
Save already bought the Hunters Boomerang thankfully.
It's for the Maiden right?
Ah, probably.
Because he couldn't given it to anyone already, like he could've given it to the Dawnbreaker if he wanted to.
It seems like it's for the Crystal Maiden.
She just picked up a BKB right, that makes the most sense.
Makes sense, I mean absolutely, the second one's on, the Crystal Maiden can be devastated.
We're also building into an MKB having scouted out that there's going to be a butterfly on the spare.
Crystal made him suddenly 16k net worth the same as the underlord.
He's been farming, you know, it's honest work that he's been doing so far.
17k net worth, why not?
They're not.
Good lane.
Smoked up on the side of battle in sleep.
Snake King is showing.
Snake King might end up dead here at bottom.
GPK comes through.
Looking back towards the support.
He does get away with the four stars,
but now GPK aptly looking towards Amar.
Amar also manages to get others.
Malree, he's BKB, they're about to expire.
Going back on the wind.
They're looking for Kataromi.
Kataromi's already expended the freezing field.
He's gonna be in trouble.
Quad inside the pit of Malus right now.
They just did a little bit more damage.
Miro will be the one to tank it instead.
Court with the entangling claws.
He is brought down.
They need to run right now.
Kataomi definitely going to die to the agonist on the shadow strike.
And GPK slowed down by the Sheevers.
Can he get away from the firestorm?
The impasses.
They had an uphill miss.
Didn't get the damage off.
GPK though.
Court kills.
That is going to be the ages extended.
Alchemist is coming back in.
Caddy Titch.
Can you do something here?
Goes forward.
Looking forward to Maher.
They do kill off the underlord.
The bear as well will suffer the same fate.
Malrin, now regretting having come so far forward,
gets stunned off by the abyssal, killed off by Carrotage.
He doesn't have a buyback!
He doesn't have a buyback.
They have only one bear left remaining
as they managed to kill that one as well.
And Shen's just kinda hard to kill,
but I guess at this point of the game,
they should be able to do so, yeah.
No buyback on her as well.
This looks like we have a game number three.
Woo!
Underlord, do things and hold your horses.
Amar still wants to defend.
He tries best here, TPK, inside the pit of Malice.
He actually took me a lot of damage from this bear. Push right from save.
We'll save him for now, but he can't get out, he's still silenced, and he ends up dead.
That's... I mean, considering that it's literally just a bear and two heroes, they managed to defend very nicely.
Of course, on the other side, it was more or less the same situation with Spirit Alchemist and the Hoodwink,
with very low resources. They wanted to get mega creeps.
This last remaining racks was on less than 10% HP.
They got baited. It happens. Of course,
too many buybacks. Just too much network has been spent by Falcons. They're now
30k behind. Underlord dies again.
Now Rean dies again. Almost a guaranteed victory at that point.
Skeeter though, still doing his best. Still trying to split the top wave, keep it pushed in.
Underlord keeps being in the mid lane, dropping down these firestorms. As long as it stays at super creeps, they have a myriad of ways to keep these lanes still favorable for themselves.
No, for sure. On one side and the other. On one side you have the Dawnbreaker that's able to play off the team. It doesn't have to be with them.
with them. On the other side, you've got edge creeps with long droid. You can still survive
even with only one racks, but what are you surviving with? What's the next item? What's
the critical item that changes things? Because right now, all I'm seeing is more network
and more big items on the other side, not necessarily on Falcons.
You know, early in the game, the panel was saying that GPK pretty much has to play perfectly
to win this game out.
I think he's fit the bull for that.
11, 2, and 12, it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
this guy's done what he needed to do.
Even that last death, you know, all the team decision,
it wasn't him necessarily making an individual mistake.
The optimization was perfect for this kind of a game.
Just a bunch of moves that he's playing into.
So he gets the Manta.
He also has the BKB against all of them.
And then he just mauls into right back damage.
And sustained, by the way.
Because maidslayer Skadi, it also thanks you up quite a bit.
So not only the damage output that you're getting, but he has more raw HP than the Hunderlord.
How many times do you see that happen?
But, they get caught, Simon Ro will be there, but Hero comes through with the Harpoon,
dragging it back, and they should be able to bring this one back.
Laundred has an Agonimus Blessing now on the Spirit Bear, so this is an additional item for the bear.
we'll see he's queuing up the blood door all right I mean a pretty significant
damage output boost and not a lot of besides the bkbs they actually they have
one Lotus on the hood mink that's pretty much it so if you can find the
right target this bear can eliminate them even so
Slowly pushing in the mid lane to keep it forced in
and they'll probably just wait for the next ages.
When the big man comes back, they'll go train that and utilize it to get the megas, potentially end the game.
Lukina Payne didn't deepfiel, they need to go into the air and there's two-
WHOA! SNAKING!
Hot damn! Like literally one salvo of spells, and snaking almost gets 100 to 0 by GPK.
That was the sharpshooter of course as well, and the boomerang.
Just buffing everything up from the hoodwink.
It's safe to say that there is no lack of damage on one side or the other, it all comes
down to the execution, which is of course a lot easier for BedBomb at this point in
the game when you're 35k ahead.
Actually can we get the damage numbers, honestly?
How crazy the hurt has been in this game.
Up in 5 seconds.
Production says no.
If you ask nicely, maybe they'll give the damage number to us, but for now, no.
Trying to get his bear out of here. Miro, very happy to commit the solo Galiant for this one.
They do find it.
And that will also open up an opportunity for Oshaan.
Bear is far away, so maybe they go into it, but no.
Look at that new team I'm doing. They're gonna play aggressively. They're going towards Malrin.
Very early forcing him to utilize his A on disc.
Even just forcing the A on desk at this point in the game is pretty much worth it because
you have to do it eventually.
It's on a very long cooldown so you can play around that.
Damage.
I want to see damage.
Here we go.
Woof.
That was a...
Woof.
This is one of those games, gang.
When both teams are north of 100 and something thousand, damn.
53k for Void Spirit, 47k basically for the clean up lane.
It's basically the two midlaners, right?
The two midlaners more or less add up to 100k.
That's it.
Your 100,000 damage comes from Queen of Pain on one side and the Void Spirit on the other.
It's kind of insane considering that Void Spirit was given an Agonimceptor.
Queen of Pain had to pull up those sleeves and work for it.
Had to apply that elbow grease.
TPK now has bought a blink dagger for himself and should have enough money for buyback fairly shortly like a camp or two and it'll be good.
He's still two minutes away from Amar having buyback in at least a minute, 20 seconds for the screen of pain.
So there is a window of opportunity right now for Bedroom Team.
Everything, they live in a glass house, this is a very big window.
Okay, Snakey, he's gonna get the first target, does get lifted away by Chris, we'll save him.
will save them. The bear though, good god, it's just gone. It's just gone. So much damage
so quickly. Astro's death does get stolen by Crit. He dropped the Roshan's banner, they
don't want to play around no more. GPK goes in, it's hand them with the Solar Guardian.
He's throwing them away, he jumps forward, keeping them far away from the range, from
the melee barracks. Get the 4M, bear his dive on the back edge, it goes down. There's no
resummon available. Buy back from Crit for to what end, how can they stop that boom team
right now that team there's no real reason to leave absolutely they still
have the ages this is a very simple go for them they could maybe reset some of
the resources that they have used but they still have the bkb on alcanist
just no bkb on dawn breaker that they realistically can't wait for
Time to play it safe though.
Yeah for now.
You'll see maybe an additional smoke even, but this game is...
More or less over.
Just got the swift blink on GPK. Alchemist chemical rage is back online.
There's no bear, right? For 30 more seconds.
It's a pretty big opportunity for them to close this one out.
Jump forward. It's gonna be a big grab once the slay key.
He can burst the down. No buyback with the edge.
Now laying in the damage on the tier 4 tower Mal-Reen will try to stop him
They push him away from the pit of Malus as the solar guardian comes in from Miro as well
Miro will provide the additional heal to Kiritage, but his Alchemist topped up once more
Bit of Malus, don't throw it on the beanscape. Amar doing everything in his power to delay right now
But Mal-Reen gets jumped upon on the back after the fight he's frozen in place. He can't get out
He's gonna die!
That's my deck
That's my buyback though, finally! But they've packed through the tier 4 tower
as Miro was fighting next to the bear, decides to get out.
GPK as well with the DKB diving the backslides, looking towards Malrin.
Malrin, he gets lifted forward though by a crit, saving his life, preventing the tieback.
Skidog's bear also forced to pop DKB, hoping to kill GPK.
And now Kataomi, DKB freezing field, he's sending them all back towards the fountain.
They can do nothing about the ice, nothing about the star breaker, nothing about the game.
GG well played, we are going to a game 3, Petboum team have cracked the loan drew it.
They've cracked the loan drew it and they have proven, I guess, that the Alchemist is
definitely a viable hero to play versus Falcons. Falcons are unwilling to ban it out and Petboum
they've fallen away.
Petboum absolutely did find a way, an incredible performance from them but let's be honest
G. P. K. That means to be the name on your lips right now. Let's find out if the panel agrees as you send it back to Lady Shiva to break it down.
100% we agree. G. P. K. played a phenomenal Void Spirit game. He played against Queen of Pain twice and did well both games we have.
Yeah, he dealt with the Queen of Pin and as we mentioned before he had to play a perfect game
And I think he did actually
Yeah, I mean
Everything that you kind of expected from BB's lineup, you know the lane that you want to see that doorbreaker
She can be a killer of the lane, you know
She did get a couple kills in the lane that helped him be a lot the CM the Alchemist also
Did pretty well top they kind of stabilized the game, you know ma I think round the kind of 20 minute game
or he had four deaths to his name, compared to other games that we've seen from him.
Maybe one, maybe two, but to have four is a bit of a shutdown.
I feel like for a player like Amal...
I have to mention Amal, his last game was very underwhelming.
I feel like he just got caught out for this entire game almost alone every time.
And, yeah, effectively wasting the last game, which they favor every single game.
We did like the pick I think in the draft for the concept of,
You know, you buy the like a pipe or you know, you buy some kind of aura at the front line, but he did go for like the ATOS and Tashad build
He was trying to play really aggressive, but because of how bad the other lanes went
It never felt like his ATOS kind of shard timing around 16-17 minutes
Didn't translate to to what the other team mates were trying to do, right?
But that is credited to me just having much better lanes this time around and
Well, they had good lanes last game, sorry, but let me rephrase that they had much better lanes
that they then turned into a true gold lead. That's kind of a big difference in game 1 to game 2.
They have a similar draft. The difference is the offlaner is not a tight hunter, it's an underlord.
And last game when they had a tight, they basically put him in front and he was fine just chilling and farming.
But with the underlord and his item build, he needed some aggression, which he didn't get in.
He's also here that is not necessarily in front because he likes to come in late.
Yeah, he likes to follow up for sure. Speaking of following up with Dombreaker
We don't see her that often but Miro made it work very well here. Yeah credit to Miro
I think his optimization helps him a lot right guys like Armler and trying to scale more as a dawn breaker
We've gone past the times of farm auras and be like an axe here
No, you're not you are meant to be a killer so if I like for BB
They they had a very kind of awkward looking lineup if the voice for it didn't play aggressive
if Dawnbreaker didn't itemise correctly, if Keira Titch overplayed his hand.
All the things I mentioned, they didn't do the wrong, they did the right version of it,
so they were able to get themselves into a very stable position. We put items onto this draft,
it will look kind of cool. Even Katomi on his Crystal Min, the value of Frostbite throughout
this entire game against the bear was really obnoxious. We saw the bear get shut down, we
haven't really seen Lone Druid Bears be truly shut down, but yeah. So we're here in GPK, very good
stuff to me it looks like there's very confident this BB team they're picking the same game one and
game two these heroes that require like exceptional individual gameplay and they are pulling it out
last game they did have a small mis-tip towards the end of the game and they paid for it but this
time they did a much better job and picking crystal maiden into rubik crystal maiden is super
confidence pick. And Miro having armlet as well. You don't buy this item if you're not confident.
No, I think on top of that, if you wanted to have a second standout player, I did not realize Save
did not die a single time on his hoodwink. That is incredibly impressive.
Yeah, very impressive. Of course, I mean, these are the two teams that want to play hoodwink,
right between Crit and Save. They are forever in a battle, like who's the better hoodwink player,
Tundra's in the wing with Ari, like, come on, could I be in contention?
No.
Right now, boss, I'm sorry, but they're like the three, but right now, the two in question,
they're the ones of course that are always to be considered because they can save.
You need things happening on the map.
When you are picking out donors with side lane, it is so important, just things are occurring,
right?
With GPK, with save, I think both of these players stand out in this game, of course,
because they were able to just make all the little things occur, so then you got online,
you had the Alcove items, you had the Dormove items, and it felt like the game could play
But if either of these two individuals don't truly step up we might just be looking at Falcons getting a 2-0.
I felt that Rubik was very underwhelming.
I don't know. He didn't have the game I was expecting him to have. He had such a great opportunity to steal spells.
And Rubik being like the standard hero of the tournament as well. He just didn't impress me.
Would you argue it's the Rubik though or more the concept of Falcons like that?
where it's like you have Lone Druid, where the main hero is AFK in the jungle,
that bears off doing his own thing. You have Undalot also hiding into the jungle,
wanting the TP in, and then you have Queen of Pain.
There wasn't like a traditional lineup for Rubik to kind of slot into.
He was kind of playing with like a team that plays in the shadows and then up the entire time,
and then just would suddenly collapse on you from invades or TP's.
It's a good point. Rubik loves an aggressive mid laner, especially so he can play with.
This time he has his Queen who's at a rough time,
and basically just wants to recover and get these items effectively with nobody to play but the Underlord and
It's not a good partner. No, it did not work out
We also want to highlight some of the things that GPK on his voidsphere did very well and especially in tandem with the dawn breaker
We have yes, I want to watch this. This is
Where GPK understands he has a problem. He's getting rooted the Underlord went atos and he has this
He has a long route, he has a route on his bear, the underlord has a route on his hero in his items, and what does he do?
He understands, this is my problem, how do I fix it? And then he's gonna go Manta after.
Effectively fixing his main problem this game, and then decides since he has a Manta, he's gonna buy Skadi as well.
So it's like full committing on this like
Mostly physical build which I think is the correct way to play this hero from my experience and in pubs lately
And I think he managed to play an almost perfect game again a very impressive gameplay from GPK
Yeah, and there's another moment
We'd like to highlight a little bit later on in the game at this point, of course
It already looked like bedroom had a solid grasp
Yeah, I mean they identified killing the bear was so so important, right?
Of course, Keratich and the lads were trying to kill it off
And I just wanted to highlight this fight once more with the idea of just you know out
Living on a sliver of HP just being able to really just clutch up and BB with their 40,000 gold leaf
Look, don't break a 30 second on the reworn now down to six about three spawn here
There's a nice little bash from out onto the bear which allowed him to then buy an extra like half a second
So then don't break to come in. So I feel like the baby like there were moments
Maybe something's gonna get back into it
But everything went their way the bash by time to respawn crystal man with the buyback
Throwing little things on top like they were ready to make sure we go to a game three this time
Yeah, I also think that we did see maybe crit on his rubik focused in those fights a little bit more
Happily than others because otherwise he is gonna take away or take the whole fight on it
It was the danger. Yeah. Yeah. Number one priority. I think he had 13 deaths to his name at the end of that. Yeah, he did. Yeah.
You know that, yeah. It is. It did crumble on the Mount Falcons. I feel like at some point they just started getting picked off one by one and just never stopped. Yeah.
Yeah. Where are you going to go from here? Falcons has let through the Alchemists and only won when they had the Queen of Pain.
And they had the Queen of Pain this round. They did not win. I think the major difference is the unglued.
I think we liked the concept, but the critique I had for doorbreak for BV actually was the reason why I think Falcon struggled, right?
The fact that your offlane doesn't play into the map, he plays backwards, waiting for things to happen.
But I want Amar to like free farm the lane by one like Consecrated Wraps or whatever, and live in the enemy jungle.
That's like the best start of Falcons we've seen so far.
Underlord doesn't do that, so just swap Underlord for any hero that can, and maybe this game is very different.
Andremor generally does well against a lot of carries anyways, so having him against an Alchemist will guarantee again a free lane for Amar.
I feel like it's lacking, it's not good enough.
They move, they need the punch.
Not good enough. We want something more, something different. Let's see what's coming our way.
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winning here will put you in the playoff straight away. Losing will have you fight another
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end line. But we're finding out if it's going to be BedBoom or Falcons,
both teams have won a game so far. And both times I feel like Falcons kind of
felt like they were happy with what they got. And I think this is the first time
they are going to be put to the test. Are they going to do the same thing?
Again, are they going to be comfortable? Like a one little twig, one little change?
They'll do it again. We, I have experience. I was lucky enough
to cover the draft where they copy pasted the same draft in the Grand Finals, right?
So we know what I was going to do here.
We know the opening for me, you know what?
Do it again.
Run it back.
I feel like not to try and hype up our analysis a bit, but I think the underlord take of what
it does in roundtie for the game might just be the simplest answer, it might go for that,
or it's a matter of maybe Lundred needs to be a later pick rather than giving Skater
a bit more of a counter pick in terms.
Yeah, because in the previous games, in game one, they picked the Tidehunter in the second pick phase,
so they had more options at that point.
It was banned out in the last band phase in the game we just had, so that's an easy solution we have.
I mean, to me, I want to talk about something else.
I feel like BB's draft is basically screaming, we're better.
That's what they're trying. They're sending a message to Falcons, in my opinion.
They're saying, we're better. We're not afraid to come and challenge.
And I think Falcons as you said they might do the same thing
No
But my I feel like they need to switch up something either of the long road as you said mm-hmm
Or something with the alchemists after the out leave it the Alps fine
If they tied like she mentioned in the second phase right because you know absolutely carry you know tides been important
So why would you pick laundry there?
Why do you value laundry at higher suddenly when normally you just lock in the type until you have the free lane?
You give more information skidding now gets a carry. He doesn't get dawn breaker and cruster main and Brandon like
Anti bear texture into him. He's probably not gonna be ready for
Skinner is not the one who don't pull player. No, he has a big pool getting told me to give him laundry right now
That fast
It's also a matter of two games. Maybe have just one. I feel like the landing phase in both times, right?
If you kind of average it out
That's another way that falcons can approach game three, right?
Like maybe they find a certain way to set up a lane that they aren't going to be struggling in it
They can actually find a bit more of a net worthy. Sure. There is the skew of what Alchemist brings
But you know GPK K has done pretty well both games from the mid lane
Oh, he definitely does with the problem find some supports that can rotate into mid like shut GPK down
Of course tight hunter in the offline doesn't need help. It can kind of create these opportunities
I don't remember in game one
They did only one mistake and they lost the game off. Yeah, they didn't we will be having a different conversation
We would have to play it, you know, yeah
Yeah, they are going back to the bands of game one on the side of Falcons for bedroom
It's just the same so monkey monkey Huskar and bat is the same
But the Rubik is back to being banned the game that they won
They were managing to get their hands on a Phoenix still in the second face that was left in the pool
Other heroes they banned out at this time where the puck which I think you still need to respect against GPK
Okay. Whoa, hold on a second.
They actually did it. They're switching it up. They're done. They've learned from that final to be fair.
That's impressive though. This is a massive win for Betbu. Sure, that's massive.
And again, Falcons are a second pick. Yes. Yeah. I would say it's a massive win, but Falcons have been bad in, like, silence in the first phase.
Yes. That's kind of like a, we want our Queen of Pain because of Alk.
So it's not as if Falcons have been forced into four other really important tournament-based bands.
True.
And now, you know, Alkwaz in the pool.
It's like Falcons are not only giving away out, but they're also kind of not wasting bands,
but they're putting some kind of like self-respect on certain heroes, right?
So it's still a massive win, but there will be some interesting bands now potentially for Falcons instead.
I'm excited. This is the first time we've seen happen for Falcons.
So it's like, you know.
Freedom. Yeah.
Freedom from the Alchemist. You should be happy.
I'm trying to hold it back. I don't know if it'll be good for the show if I start getting giddy over Falcons banning alchemists
This puck is still in the pool. We see it ban so often in the first phase
The Falcons ban themselves the ground. Yep, and the pango makes it through
Dangerous pick. I mean again, we are we are absolutely free because that was five seven games so far of Dota with Falcons
There's been an elk or Queen of Pain
in six of them.
There's only one game where we haven't had to talk about these heroes for Falcons.
Finally, we are free.
Immediate answer to the pango,
and so I can extend on that.
Primal Beast is very good against pangolia,
because when pango uses his ultimate,
if Primal Beast casts his ultimate on the pango,
it stuffs it all immediately.
Effectively making the hero half of what it is.
It's very nice, especially because those are primal,
it doesn't mind jumping into scary positions.
So like this combination that you're talking about, supports used to be able to do it, but like you can't rely on them to get to that position. They will die.
But Primal is so beefy and tanky that you can't rely on this. This is not going to like fade away in the game, unless Link and his stuff might.
One thing I'm worried about is Primal is a Malorina hero, most likely is going to go mid, but it doesn't do very well in most matchups on the mid lane.
on the mid lane and they could decide to put pango off lane on vb and maybe potentially pick some gpk
hero against this primal that's gonna make his life miserable. I'm not missing a hero but i'm like
embo's gonna lane, ty's are avalanche, there's a light beam, okay viper you're going down that route as well.
You have to, mid laners always think about these things, they understand that if he put gpk on a
a Viper, he's probably not gonna have a game. But they might trade it for maybe a worse mid late game,
since he's one of the Viper and he excels on heroes like this voice split we've seen last game,
Ember split, any spirits in general. It feels really like Falcon for their first two picks,
they again they have access to Phoenix, it was banned out in the last game, but it's inviting
the fight from BB knowing like if you mis- if you mis-execute me that mistake we can easily counterplay
You right like primal stand is going over pulverized Phoenix will press egg or have Sunray like they're very statement heroes for
Punishing this initiation and now with silence here
That's first phase banned by Falcons in game one and game two because of them on to clean a pain
It slips into the pool and it is a very very good pick it very effective due to the start of fight from Falcon
Just as you said they want to do this counter place. Yep. They just can't anymore. This year says no
No, you don't I mean it's a matter of BB
their draft is you know what it's going to do you need to kill during running
thunder you need to kill during global so falcons they might start trying to
pick up some heroes to least soak up that initiation and Amar has been
thriving when that is his main game plan the bristles of tide hunters you pretty
much want one big blob up front eat this couple spells and then you get to
utilize the rest of your team something to poke them you know yeah exactly maybe
Maybe Tyhunter, that it's in the pool currently, and I feel like for BB a good Acer and a very
good hero for GPK is Invoker, but against his Primal.
The problem this time is Acer is in the pool, and Alchemist hasn't been picked forcing it
to the carry, right?
True.
So you can't really pick a Mars hero blind?
He has to last pick.
That's where he comes in.
That's where I think Skidder kind of needs to take his hero.
I feel like if they go tight, they go weaver as well, which is untalked about.
I feel like one of the strongest carries, but some, for some reason in this tournament,
that seems quite a bit ignored so far.
They decide to go LD on Falcons.
This feels nicer for Falcons, because I was concerned that Falcons would just fall apart
if Amar gets his hero picked here, into Keratich's response,
and now what are you going to be doing in the game, right?
The Laundry, when you do get Shadowblade, you are killing Silent Stone Lion for free
every single time.
We even saw it in the last game, even though the game is quite quiet for Falcons, save
did die a couple times after a really good early game.
You're always going to have that one win.
Ah, okay, Laundry got me.
But supports are food for Laundry.
They are, but do you feel this is a skater call?
The Laundry, I think picking it before the 18 pick, and, you know, I just actually just
lost the game on there. Yeah, but it's like, I know what I said after game two, I wasn't
too excited by the learndrid, but the draft was very different where I say, I can envision
the tide or replacement hero. I don't know what heroes skater can pick here, but blind
plays multiple lanes. I think learndrid has become that, especially when seeing, let's
say, Mickey planets liquid. I just, I don't know what the skater here is. It's like,
you can't pick a mark here, in my opinion. And I don't know what is the replacements
right now on the patch for Skidder. Like we're not in a DK meta or whatever because that's true.
Pre-patch, you're seeing DK probably and other heroes to to progress the draft for Falcons.
And it seems like maybe favorite is Dornbreaker against Dornbreaker. Last game he did do very well
against the Eldian lane, he even killed him. I kind of forgot in the moment about how important
the lane is against Dornbreaker. You need to jump over the bear and just make sure you lock on to
main here and don't break it can't do that really nicely especially pad with a
line because you have multiple stands multiple ways to to contain heroes and
most of the long repos don't even skill his roar early on so there's no
potential for counter play does mean you 100% locking pango in the mid lane
they're not actually those yeah that's fine I think that's yeah that's not a
major problem for BB though they are respected in the tight hunter one thing
that Falco maybe could have done and if they are through this game hindsight is
Falcons still pick the tide, force us to, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's like if Falcons
could maybe like force baby down a different draft path if they wanted to and you know
but still very very good here Falcons of course you have identified that as I already
mentioned and then once the other front liney here, I kind of feel like brusselbacks the
simplest option for Falcons, you buy Lotus into Silencer into Lion, you just frontline
the entire time. It could be a very good option right now. For a specialist, Amar enjoys
this BKB 24 BB. You did say poking hero is already important. He is a poking hero. How
about like the price of Nightstalker in the patch? How do you how do you feel seeing like
Nightstalker in play? For Falcons? Yeah, I don't see it. I don't feel like it's Amar
hero. I think the hero rolls in popularity especially because of these like box and queens
that are in play right now. It kind of deals with these heroes quite effectively and supports
as well. The myth has changed in favor of more easy, the deal with supports. So what
would you, what's your poking here? Let's say they don't want Bristleback, for example.
What's your replacement for Amar? Can you envision a hero that enables cyclones to be
able to be... You're not going to like what I have to say.
Did I make a guess?
Did it start with an S and end with Lark?
It does.
If there's somebody who could do it, I'm saying this because I actually have played a lot of Lark offlane recently with Falcons members in the game.
You have?
At some point, I asked me if Slaughtering is good against Alk because I was currently
playing against it and I had like 100% win rate in 6 games against it and I told him
yes it is, should give it to him more.
That's why I keep saying about the Slaughtering, to be fair, I like influenced him, yeah?
I played a pub yesterday, we did have a Slaughtering as Alchemist, it felt really just free.
Him giving away access, it felt nice, I agree.
But it's not the fifth time that you said it.
I respect it. We'll see if he comes out. The vicar is the one that gets banned out against Amar.
He will, of course, have the overall aspect, so let's see what Kiritage gets for himself,
as he wants to get a carry that will sway Amar away, probably, from the Bristleback.
Maybe. What carry could that be? Maybe a weaver?
Yeah, I kind of thought of just like strong laner is all you kind of want to see from
From caretich you have the map playing the aggression from pango and what the supports kind of enable cause
The tiny yeah, yeah, that's right a classic
Just an overall strong solid hero has the stuns for the primal the phoenix
Tiny is a rocks. It's very solid
It is indeed. They can deal with everything Falcons have to offer right now, pretty much.
So what would you like to play against it?
If you're right for like Slark off right now.
No way!
It's a melee hero, you know what I mean?
Yeah.
No, in Brussels still fine I think.
There's not many options left for our match.
No, and also not a lot of time, because this is already the first time they're ticking into...
10 seconds left.
Seven o'clock five
You will find out what are you gonna do I'm or one second on the Lord I
Was gonna say he broke but it was broke it was broke and but they are gonna try to look at this appointment
Yeah face take it away. We have a cease this is a zero second to pick it
It feels like they didn't know what to do it feels like they just have it there
You know speak about a hero guys if we don't find one just go under load and if I did just went
Yeah
There's some options that were like mentioning that felt more explosive at least in the game where you can take over
Correct momentum under Lord and he's more of said back to be fair in the last game
We already said that he had good item timings kind of with a towards and shard
His team couldn't match his desire for aggression
Maybe this time around with the adjustments of the supports the Phoenix the clock with the prime was all the blink dagger
You can expect this draft to play more into the map
What we wanted to see for any dawn breaker or underline up you have to have four heroes that do things
I think Falcons have it a bit better. There is something very nice around BB's lineup
It just feels like it can play any stage of the game like even from behind it has pick-off potential
When it's ahead it can really just choke out the map. So if he's doing the classic in the series
They're just picking these heroes
They're just want to skirmish all over the map and basically just non-stop aggression while Falcons is just sitting sticking to the stress
They just want to chill, have the Samarra guys sit in front, wait for us to farm some items
and then we just go and try to take objectives together as a team.
At least this time, Melrin and Krett are way more fine by themselves in terms of initiative.
They don't need to wait for them.
Warp or Primal can run in other options.
So it's like a weirder later as well, where I can see Underlord potentially being able
to be less alone early. And then Clock goes through the twin gate, actually plays with
the Lone Druid Phoenix. You don't get to see Dawnbreaker kill Lone Druid, because Clock
fell there. You know, Amar's underneath his own tower with double count block, just chilling.
So I think Falcons, they've set themselves up to potentially try and do better in lane,
but it still walks a fine line. I think BB just, it has, it's easier for them to do
well in lane.
Clock is a top tier of gating here. Yes, for now. I do prefer BB's lineup. I feel like
They've been showing a lot of confidence so far, they have been outplaying Falcons so far,
and I feel like if they just keep what they were doing in game 1 and 2,
besides the mistake from game 1 and the end, I think they'll do very well.
Do we think GPK has another solid mid lane coming his way against the Primal Beast on his pango?
Just two dudes going to hit creeps, right? Again, it's more on the supports.
BB will always bring supports to mid, it's like their thing,
so I feel like he will be able to find some opportunities,
but I kind of feel like both teams should be happy with their draft.
Okay, well that means we're also going to be hopefully very happy with the
back-and-forth competitive game number three coming your way with Snare and Lizard.
Thank you very much, Shiva. And this is a game three that has major importance. The winner goes
through into the playoffs. And in this game, Rihal was mentioning that the side of Bedroom
team, they have high skirmishing, very, very, very high aggression coming from this lineup.
So, Big Liz, the question I have for you, does Skidder have to change his item build to be able to participate earlier and match what Batmium Team are doing?
I don't think that's going to be the case. I feel like this loan druid has proven to all of us that you can literally more or less go for the same exact build.
Even though I love the Diffusal, I think it's just me on your agonims. At least from Skidder, you even know like the mini items that he buys, like how many branches at this point.
It's all up to script, he just follows it.
But yeah, I pretty much agree with everything the panel has said.
I feel like there's a lot of skirmish coming from Batboom.
No Alcanist, thank God, finally for the two of us.
But from Alcans, what I see as an improvement
in a small little adjustment from the last game.
Getting this Phoenix in,
instantly makes their teamfights 10 times better.
I feel like late game fights
you're fighting around, polarize around, the routes can be so much better when you have
Sunray and the Egg to follow through.
You also have the clockwork now, so you're not just gated between one person having to
start every single fight for you, you have multiple routes of initiation to a primal
and a clock.
We'll see how this all goes, as now Game 3 will begin, Malrin vs. GPK in the mid lane.
Has anything changed in this matchup in the last couple of months?
No, more or less, it's pretty much the same primal place, the first couple of lanes, the
waves, then you can maybe even take the waves, pull them to one of the camps that is nearby
and use trample to maximize your farming output, same pretty much goes for pango, he tries
to copy that as much as he can, he's not really as potent when it comes to hitting creeps
early on.
Now they're just trading hits, chilling, nothing too serious happening here, I doubt we'll see any kind of kill solo 1v1 in that lane.
Mistakes can happen, but when it comes to the first blood, when it comes to these early kills, we most likely will see them on the sidelines.
Once again on top lane we have a very strong lane, it's not Hoodwing Dawnbreaker, it's Lion Dawn, it's still very good.
good and I would argue versus a much weaker position 5. The line might die though. He just
got caught with the blood grenade, the claws of the Mieros trying to close the gap at snaking,
delivers the final right click, first blood being drawn by Falcons. He went a bit deep and he was
literally on the small camp trying to last it. Yeah, didn't really get the block off so he was
force to mess around a little bit too deep, got punished.
It's a good start for a long drill in Phoenix.
Only experience for the Phoenix, so we get closer to the Supernova.
Looking at this draft on the side of Bedroom Team,
they don't really have the greatest tools to deal with the egg once it actually emerges, right?
Not at all. You don't really have... look at it this way.
This time around, I don't think that they have a way of dealing with the egg,
But they have ways of dealing with the Phoenix pre-yack, like they can deal with the bird,
or the chicken itself. You don't have to wait for it. You have global to prevent it from happening.
You also have the line with the initiation. Of course, it's not easy as a position 5.
It's your job not to have your position compromised, but yeah, we'll see. They have some ways,
especially when the Silver Edge is available on the Tiny as well.
The double duty from the Silver is not just killing the Phoenix, but making sure you get
rid of this atrophy aura as the fight is breaking out.
Feels perfectly good, she's probably going onto Snake King, Hex, no Wakerous Dive, immediate
revenge being found by the side of Bed Boom Team, save is the one that gets the credit.
He had it, he was just caught, that's it.
Like he had it, it was off cooldown, he never really used it, it's just that lion, too many
controlling spells and dawn a little bit too simple for her to connect even though
this kind of a death isn't really that bad I mean it's bad always but you're
still taking the pressure off of the laundry which is pretty good in the
laning stages early on. Given that you are playing a more quote-unquote aggressive
carry who's gonna be building primarily for himself not gonna be feeding actually
other people does Miro still go for that high damage build on the blown breaker?
why not? I'm trying to think like what would prevent him from doing that? it still feels like
they had a very good understanding what they're supposed to be doing versus the long druid in the
last game like make sure that every single hero can dish out the extra damage needed and when you
think about it last game he went for harpoon which is echo saber buildup right another thing that
And that is also good versus Dieck.
So I'd like to see it once more.
So now in this early portion of the game, the CS battle is primarily being won out by
Bedroom Team.
Not too surprising if you know who the squad is.
This is just how they roll.
Mal'Reen.
I forced to get himself away.
GPK, that's Sosh Brockel in 8 seconds, but not nearly enough.
Mal'Reen will be forced back to base top lane though, putting pressure on to Miro.
Doesn't have the Seli hammer, but thankfully he does have save.
We'll live up to his name and bail him out.
You asked me earlier about the pango versus primal.
Well, what needs to be said is that pango is absolutely busted right now.
Like this hero deals way too much damage with swashbuckle alone.
So, for someone as primal as any other hero, you can get zoned out at times if you take too many hits.
So, let me go ahead up into the diffusel.
We've been seeing a lot of these pangos playing around with the gold, right?
Sometimes his first item, mage layer, sometimes his first item, diffusel.
We've even seen his first item, blink.
Diffusel does seem pretty solid here.
Yeah, it's...
It helps out a little bit when it comes to the gash.
I have a launch onto Crit, the tree thrown after his head as well.
Kiritich earns his first kill of the game.
Kiritich earns his first skill, and Silencer earns his first int gain.
That's...
Come on, just like I will. Sucks to you, BU bro, but I'm still on the chill for now.
It's the damage that Silencer is racking out as a position 5. It can come in handy even
versus an underlord when they try to go on him in the future. Spamming out the glaives,
spamming out the king curse. It can come in handy. Minut 6 of course, the runes.
Everyone's posturing ends up on the top side so that'll be GPK picking up a
regen and immediately heading to the top side of the map. I don't think they have an
observer ward that's gonna scout out this movement but this could be very
dangerous if they can find the goal onto Skeeter and choose to start with the
bear. GPK doesn't want to reveal himself just yet probably wishes it was a haste
right now but what can we do? The way the team moved I feel like the way that he
He pulled the creeps towards the bear, might have scared the skitter a little bit as you
could see that he already moved out, he moved back behind the tower.
Sometimes on this level of Dota, just a slight move of someone which is kind of fishy, you
know, not something that you would expect, can give a gank away.
First rolling Thunder Metal, well, Kataromi will be there to collect even more intelligence
the snaking will certainly end up dead here.
Worst usage of the rolling thunder does need a kill for GPK.
What about Wismshoiq?
Crit is...
Might be able to snatch this one if he cogs correctly.
Okay, gets it out, save, aww very nice done.
Crit...
He's still going!
He didn't manage it, tried his best, did what he was coming, but he's gonna die for
this one.
So in the end, ends up not being worth it, but cool to watch nonetheless.
I mean, worth it.
It's worth it for us, but entertainment value was definitely there, it didn't manage to
get it.
Maybe if you could position the cogs in such a way that they're completely encircling
the circle, that makes sense, but yeah, it's too difficult.
Had to push the line out, didn't work out in the end.
So there will be a very fast hangar diffusor coming out, pretty much almost got it.
has the blade of a lacquerie just needs the rest of the game is complete.
Both of the cores doing well on the side of that bomb.
Kind of to be expected.
Let's see, the date.
Okay, there's another one.
But GPK picks it up, the hex from save, and now Muro shows up as well.
Solar Guardian will not connect.
Able to onslaught onto the high ground.
Now Rean will stay alive for now.
GPK has swashbuckled, misses.
10 seconds away from the rolling thunder, that's too much time.
Now Rean will be able to escape.
He's able to escape, but if you're the primal beast in this situation,
you're probably not way too happy with the state of the game.
You miss the minute six, the minute eight, Rune.
You aren't really able to connect on one side or the other,
because you don't have the resources and you're constantly on the defensive.
So Lezn decided, yes, he had exactly the one to button.
In the meantime, they caught now Crit.
He dropped some very nice cocks. Look at this swashbuckle tent, my god.
He's out, it seems like though.
Okay.
He also had sticks, so he survives this time round.
Mutant windlays, keep him alive.
The classic build on clockwork was almost always tranquil,
but he does have faceboots actually queued up for now.
What do you think? Are we ever going to see any chain meals in action?
In a pro game?
Probably not, right?
Nah, well okay, here's one way it could happen, right?
Maybe you're at like, in the tournament group stage,
you've already gone through the next stage,
you're playing the lost game anyway,
then you're like, you know what, let's play Clockwork,
see how many chain meals we can eat,
when the game absolutely doesn't matter.
Then maybe, even then it's a maybe,
it's not a guarantee, it's a maybe.
I'd like to see it.
Why, I've seen it in my pubs,
you don't wanna see that, trust me.
Why not?
It becomes pretty big.
It grows.
Oh, I need you to lose anyway with the giant clockwork on your team.
It's great.
Sauer middle is being sieged upon right now.
He's heading over there. Malrin is trying to defend this by himself.
Had this observable, it's going to scout out that the supports are here.
Can't do this alone.
He's even bringing the bear over as well, so he's really serious about this defense.
The bear can't really do a lot here.
At best, he can pick up a rune and that's it.
It's a little bit early, he doesn't have the agonims, he doesn't transfer from the last game
and they keep him, you know why he kept him, this is a tilt tip.
Three runes in a row and every single one went to GPK.
Now has a diffuser blade as well, so the danger level of this pango has ramped up precipitously.
Tier one tower in the middle, they even bring a ma over to defend this as the siege wagon is in tow,
but at the same time you get a titch, it is way over here too.
It's the only easy way to get into this fight, they're gonna be pangolier, popping the illusion room to get out of the pit of malice.
Rolling thunder at the ready if needed.
They really do not want to use that throw, they just want the tower and get out.
Well with Kiritage here this should be an easy affair, right? Like a clean tower, Kiritage has been...
Doing a pretty good job, staying active, this early on, takes the tower, goes back,
Ekko Saber already there, going for the Shadow Blade axe, we'll see maybe a harpoon before it, but...
It depends on the player. Some of them go Shadowblade first, some of them go Harpoon.
I feel like both ways are pretty legit.
Of course we just saw Skeeter doing still Loan Druid things, trying to angle towards having that Mjolnir.
So as in the previous games, probably going to be a while before we see this Loan Druid getting involved.
However on the bright side, they haven't been able to zone him out of his lane again.
So he is still going to be getting the free farm that he got earlier on.
Hopefully he leverages it better as bottom.
Hathoromi will suffer the first supernova of the game.
Easily brought down by snagging.
Could open up the space for the tier one, but kid, as it shows up, it makes it very unplayable.
Yeah, I think it actually does the opposite.
Right? It stops any tier one aggression, because now you don't have the axe.
So the tiny should be free to sit behind the tower and just defend it.
Miro has now made the initial decision, he's gonna go for the mage slayer and he's actually gonna pop the solo Guardian going to the bottom side of the map finding Amar right next to Kiritich.
Amar, how will he survive this? Kiritich throws the tree at him, Amar throws surviving but the star breaker of Miro put an end to that.
to that, Malrin even made the rotation, but unable to help whatsoever.
In fact, he was loaned back by Katahomi and GPK, now seasoned from the high ground,
slowing him down with the inhibits of the diffuser blade. They missed the Earth Strike.
They do get the finger of death though, and all the charm didn't take him far enough away.
Malrin will still end up dead. Miro collects yet another kill from Falcons.
It feels like in this game, Malrin, he needs a BKB yesterday, like he already needs it.
I don't know how you play Primal versus all these disables at this point.
Like even if they use 90% of them, they still have like a hex or a pale rolling thunder.
There's always something. In worst case, there's even global silence.
Of course, the Bale hero is out.
There's a... probably dead? Nah, he should be.
There's a huge difference between the last two games and this one.
When it comes to heroes played on mid, Queen of Pain was able really to just carry the damage output of Vulcans.
Primal Beast is similar in a good game, when he can just do whatever when he can get to an early agonist as well.
But in this game I feel like he needs to play for himself, just to make sure that he is not the one dying all the time.
The moment he is at the very bottom of the net worth of all these cores,
So we still need some time to catch back up and I go for the early concentrated reps
Loses life here you all slaughtered towards his opponents. No
Earth's bike comes out
They definitely have their hex to follow up shield crash a couple of right clicks and now reen will fall minus two another
Stack of intelligence going the way of cut to homies got five right now from the suffer level six five stacks already
Well, GPK is not done yet though. They found a backstab angle towards Amar. Solar Guardian committed two to ensure he cannot escape.
Amar will die. More intelligence going the way of Kata Omi. Six after 14 minute mark.
Well, it's not two, it's one now, right? Wait, which one do you have to apply now to have it be plus one? It's the last one then, right?
I think it's last one, that's the plus one, yeah.
Or Gleaves.
I mean games just gets the steal for a per hit right yeah yeah yeah it's been changed
right like with the new innate it's a bit different now but okay I mean six stacks already
on the silencer gotta be careful like falcons they've been losing all these little mini
fights in all three games this time around there is a infinite scaling
I mean the shard kind of pushes you towards that right like the shards is
again the multiple heads of the glaives you might see some no one position to
silencers like back in the day might as well bring back the rubik mid as well
I mean, honestly, when a hero is this strong as a support, it's just a matter of time before these core players start snatching it.
You need to ask what Dendi is up to, and be like, yo bro, have you been practicing the Rubik mid?
GPK.
Just chilling for a minute, he didn't immediately buy the shot for himself, so he's got the shot defusal.
Gonna go for the blink dagger immediately afterwards, snaking.
Snaking, he's gonna get away from here, gets de-watered.
They have Hook here, if they want to go in.
Gonna try it for it, he gets the Hook, pushes him back.
Maybe only too much, they are after him.
Malvin is behind him though, perhaps looking for the pulverized, but the rolling thunder
came through first.
GPK should be able to get himself well out of here, Kataromi does get caught within the
pill of malice.
Amar throws a lot of ATOS after him as well, can they get him out of here, Kataromi no.
He ends up dying for the final right click.
Now also a danger because they brought the bear from the sidelines now read with the tramples to cure the kill on GPK
Now looking towards getting this line as well who gets feared his monadrain cancelled
It's not a lack of damage gets on the high ground tier 3 tower scares them away
Is that worth for skitter by the way like he's bringing the bear just for the savage roar?
Like that's the only thing he's got he doesn't have the fusel on the bear like he doesn't have they literally
No other way of contributing
But what's funny is while he's doing that, he's actually giving the Mjolnir to the Druid.
So the Druid is still farming with Mjolnir and meanwhile the bear is just running around and savage roaring.
I mean, it's kind of a gimmick but it can help I guess, you know, anything.
Oh, Skeeter, this is not gonna help. Skeeter, no! He went to farm! He literally ran directly into Kidditich and saved.
Amar came through with the fiend gate but it's way too late.
And I don't know if you actually want to do this, fam.
Malus to get back, the Tiny is no joke at the moment.
Kiddish brought a Vatorus, holds him within the pit of Malus,
but Amar wisely realizes it's the time to retrieve Cal's save.
There's no most in range to find this one.
Phoenix though, maybe to get out with the TP,
no Starbreaker cancels it,
Swashbuck will finish as a moth,
and they get a twofer in the top lane, plus a tier one tower.
Can I get the stack count? Seven? Okay.
You know, slowly but surely we're getting some serious numbers.
soon to be two digits on the silencer.
Now this game is definitely very different for Falcons because Red Boon team,
we've already seen them leverage heavy aggression early, but not like this game.
The Kiddit is especially being able to get as easily involved as he is now,
relative to when he was playing Alchemist.
I think that in this kind of a game, you were spot on with the Laundryd maybe joining a bit earlier.
earlier.
Workshop mid.
TPK should be fine.
He's got himself the roll-up.
They're right though.
All the kids are rolling thunder though.
He actually can't do it.
He gets interrupted multiple times.
Taira did come through with the solo Guardian and on top of the global silence, they managed
to find two of the core kills.
Malorin and Amar are gone.
TP out from Crit will keep the clockwork alive.
This is like a really cool adaptation from Primal Beast, the time that we're seeing.
It's pretty meta right now.
early shard allows you to get that one extra disruption on a target and one
extra stun disable which basically netted them the kill on pangol. Unfortunately of
course they did lose a couple of heroes in the process but so be it is what it
is. But the problem is the guy that was getting these kills is his heritage. He's
back in heritage mode right now. 5-0 and 1 about to finish off the silver rate. I
believe it's flying out as we speak. I think he's going for a BKB actually. Yeah
he is, he's got a mutual hammer so this is a bit of a safer approach you know like uh
doesn't go to personally I love to see a tiny with harpoon and silage I feel like these two
items already make you so damn elusive because silage the downtime is like five seconds harpoon
not only do you get skills but you can also climb onto trees apparently be a monkey king of your
own so. Snake, he's contributing to the Kata Omi Fund. Now we have 12 intelligence,
sacked up by the silencer. GBK will actually go in for the rolling thunder. Kill it, Titch!
He out of nowhere! Tosses back Malrin and GBK will help to finish him off. Kali, Titch
getting tipped by his team. He's 6-0 and 1 right now. They're owning this game. Such
a cool head zone play, right? It's just a positional gameplay from him, you know. He
He understands, if this Phoenix is where he is, someone has to be nearby, he's not playing
alone, maybe they were setting up for a fight, he didn't really have a ward or any vision,
he just anticipated the primal anyone else to be nearby.
Now that they've come back to the Twin Gate, they might also go for the Tormentor here on
the side of their team, spawns up, stormy time, nobody from Falcon is anywhere close,
There should be a shot for them
Let's just focus with the lion shot. Oh, there we go get the bouncy is there you go. I already I mean
You know what? I was meeting but why not? Let's let's see. Let's see what he could do
No, so let them farm faster right the next Adam that they need this solar Chris is gonna murder a lot faster than I would have otherwise
I mean
Kind of, I guess. It's not lightning-cans on Zeus, you know, it's not that you right-click a lot as the silencer anyway.
It takes a bit of mana as well, to just use leaves all the time, so I'm not really sure.
It's fine, but he got mana from stealing all his ints.
It's okay to dream.
Build AC, bro.
Oh, Moonsha, there we go. That's what we're gonna see.
the pike into bitch meat yeah you gotta keep the build real smoke up lion in the
pangalir and it be drained by Kataromi as well the global is back online and
Carrie Chich is here too don't really have the greatest vision on possible
targets but now we literally just won't slaughter towards them this is the
second time this has happened this game if he dies again just like this when he
watches this replay he's gonna feel really bad there's no way out of this
finger of death just to ensure it goes down. It's a very quick, very quick kill on a target
that usually does not die very quickly. Courtesy of the tiny, the Tony, the big T, like this
hero just deals way too much damage at the moment. I feel like when it comes to the draft,
they got the pango, they got the tiny, they're in a pretty good spot when it comes to the
damage department. These two heroes alone can carry games at this point. Everyone else
can just focus on. Disables and utility.
Alomar is pushing out bottom, Karrie, Titch and the boys are about to pick up the first
Aegis of the game. And they actually have the latitude to come back down bottom and defend
us. The tower is halfway, but they could lift us if they wanted to.
I cannot believe what I'm seeing. Skitter. Skitter actually involved.
Involved, to be fair. He was usually involved in tier one towers, but yeah, this is very
brave and he's keeping the mjolnir still on himself he hasn't actually aged
months but it's with a boy it probably only do it after he gets the agonims
seems that way maybe her talking about the sniper drew it and he's like oh
yeah by the way I forgot I can do that make it right he didn't still the queue
up a dragon lands but you never know we might see something similar at some
point and the exit just for the better pushways and rats he's actually gonna be
the one dealing the damage BKB now emerges for this dawn breaker so you
have tiny BKB dawn breaker BKB and of course the roll up to protect GPK the
next item basically is what we're waiting for that's the agonies on the
pangolier I mean they don't really have to wait for it 400 gold away they can
fight without it as well, but it's very nice to get that axe off of.
Silverage of course, and the next set of items more or less is there for a Batmobile.
It is itch applying pressure to the tier 2 tower in the top lane with this Aegis until
Balkans will not have the appetite to fight into him.
Just pressuring bottom, pushing alongside the spare, it's now Rean, farm swarming, what you said was the crucial item for him in this game.
He does have the ogre axe, still needs more for the BKB.
Sometimes I wonder if consecrated wraps in him are really good, if for nothing else also for the movement scheme.
Snake is contributing to some funds, and he's a smart investor, you know, doesn't put all his eggs in one basket, gives to Kataromi and to save.
Shout out to him.
That's unfortunate though.
very unfortunate yet you know he itemized properly though when it comes to this game
he's got the Lotus so he's got some mana regen from it has extra mana from it as well in case
he loses way too much hit so he can at least use the spells but of course dispelling the global is
what it is for
Aghanim is now complete for GPK
Tiny just pushing mid they might decide to cut the wave on the bottom lane with the pangalia
This game is going way too far to fucking, like this does not feel comfortable for them to be playing into right now.
Look hold that top, GPK.
Okay, that's with the hook shot.
He should still be pretty chill here.
Roll up is gonna be there, here comes CattyTitch as well.
They're focusing on GPK but he gets the solo Guardian.
That will protect him for now.
Miro's in the middle of things and Kiritage caught snaking on the backline.
No supernova. Starbreaker onto the bear and Amar.
Now, GPK comes back with the rolling thunder,
ensures that both of them are stunned up,
killed off, a double kill for Kani-Tich.
Just a tip on the GPK, like he got initiated on,
the roll up just absolutely negates all their initiation,
the control wasn't there.
I feel like Snake King just died to collateral damage.
No one was even really aiming at him.
No, Kani-Tich went around.
Specifically, GPK.
Grim.
Yeah.
I didn't see that properly done, but it seemed to me
That's Jack, neither to be there immediately, right?
Oh boy.
Already on the high ground.
He still do have save supernova, and now Rain does have globalized, he doesn't have EKB and caddy-titch.
Okay, three ages.
Alright, three ages.
Lockwork, what can you do about this?
Get a four star fill, push him out of the cogs, so should be AOK.
And I'm glad I'm looking at Bedroom Team, right?
You know how often we've complained over the years, you see a team playing against Clockwork?
You're like, where are the four staffs?
They didn't even waste time.
Immediately for the silence and we just got one for save as well.
It's a bit different now, right?
Like the Clockwork doesn't have expanded armature anymore, now it feels good buying
four staff against them.
In previous situations of the clockwork where you had this dumbass build where you just
get cogged and he's sitting cogged at you 24-7, first I didn't feel that way.
Jesus.
My goodness.
Poor Snake King.
He's getting demolished time and time again.
How much mana does he even have total 945 mana at top?
I think he didn't give it away this time around the team.
Was silence at the most.
If he did that's really sad, yeah.
He's trying to do his best as a position 5, to play the map, to set up some vision, to break some smokes and unfortunately he's been breaking a lot of them so far, a lot of moves that is.
More than enough damage.
He is actually even queuing up a blink on tiny usually what I'm seeing from most position ones at the moment is
No blink built
Harpoon answerage is usually all the mobility that you need
That's okay
Some
Gonna try to do something they finally have that BKB for Malrin
Smoking up into the jungle
GPK and Save are right ahead of them, but they don't go that direction.
After this much time missing on the map, suspicions must be being raised by Pepoom team.
GPK.
They need the right target, and there's also Global on the other side, so it's not so easy.
Come back with the smoke.
GPK gets a blink forward, he invades the pit of Malice, there's gonna be the Global silencer,
now he's rolling onto the high ground, trying to maybe isolate Snake Inc.
There's gonna be a Pauble rise to stop him from going forward, therefore Snake Inc. does get off the Supernova.
It will pop at some point, but all the heroes have already left the area.
A beautiful hookshot from Crit to catch GPK on the lost vestiges of his health.
Saved two heroes caught with the impale.
That's going to be a finger of death as well towards Mal-Reen.
And with the help of Miro, they are able to get the Primal.
Kiddish kept away from the fight by some beautiful cocks from Crit.
But he drags Kiddish's Barret with the Harpoon.
Wants to put in the right click damage.
Even activates the DKB to do it.
They do get the bear, the Primal, as well as the clockwork.
But it cost the life of GPK
It cost the life for GPK and even with
The global silence they weren't really able to save him almost they did
the hook shots from crit was just incredibly good, but
Seize me a roll they caught him in the pit of malice he can't get out of the celestial hammers
I spent the free kill
Look how much gold they caught out of that kill
That's quite a lot
And very nice swing for Falcons
This is pretty much it right like the BKB on the primal beast absolutely activates them
They instantly get a couple of nice exchanges and keep in mind that global was used
So the next fight if they want to they could go for it immediately after
Do they have a bear they do of course also a vision of heritage they saw him underneath his observable what?
Unfortunately they don't have the blink daggers so it's going to be very difficult to reach the
tiny so he's going to be pulled in the end. I love that the bear is carrying the dust as well by the way.
You gotta do everything himself.
So they back off right now on Falcons. There's 20 seconds to Miro returning but Falcons actually
Do the double back smoke up as for when I still leverage this both before the soldier guardian emerges
There is a global though once again
Every time the global is up. It's really difficult to use the BKB properly on the on the primal beast to control the pango
But as long as they can find the right targets, I feel like at this point they already have the necessary damage
movement through the bottom unfortunately nobody's here and smokes with expires soon
everybody from the side of that team is sitting in a very tight compact unit in middle only
really Miro that's away from them of course on the dawn breaker so he's the stormy then
yeah why not yeah it seems like it will be when it comes to shards phoenix already has
his. It's a pretty decent shot in the clockwork as well.
Oh by the way, this is the only one that doesn't have shot. Everybody else put their own.
They still look immediately again, afterwards.
They're gonna try both of the twin gates to catch our GPK up on the top.
They do not have to bear with them, but he is still on his side of the map.
And also showing which could give that pool maybe a false sense of confidence. Yeah, you see they go into the pit
Where something's happening rock throw will be there into a pit of malice carriage
It's just the one that gets put out first, but you know, she may immediately goes right back into it
Fortunately for Amar. He does have some force boss on his spot. They get him to a safe place and now Pangolro is down
Yeah, that was just a beautiful illusion bait because he couldn't tell.
The smoke got broken, but there was another hero next to him, so couldn't know if it
was an illusion or not.
Hard to go into the pit by the way.
They got it killed, Roshan very fast, but you're playing versus Rock Throw, versus Rock
Kits.
Even Savage Roar is extremely annoying in this area.
They do also have a Silver Edge available on the bear, and they start putting in some
pressure onto the Roshan.
Karatich, you can put a get inside the pit of Malice, same situation.
Also, his HP got this time around though.
Mal'Reen, once he goes forward, he very wisely cancels out his movement.
Doesn't want to overextend himself.
What about the bear?
Could be in some danger, but Karatich still needs to be careful.
His HP is not where he really wants it to be.
There's one thing that's happening here to Karatich.
Karatich. Karatich.
It's not only the bear damage, right? Like it's the firestorm.
Tiny is one of the highest base HP heroes in the game, as levels go by and the Firestorm deals a lot because of that.
There's not any health regen items, he actually just went to keep up a casual mobid mask just so he can hit himself back into health.
It's not bad.
Sometimes when you see a Tiny on your team, buying the Vlad also isn't bad on one of the supports, but these two probably not the best Vlad's carriers in the game.
And as I say that, Salmonster has it killed up.
Oh, see?
Rosen actually stopped the initiation out onto a bar, followed up by the rolling down
to a GPK.
Solar Guardian will be there too, Malrin is the primary target, and he's gone.
The fair was trying to finish off Roshan, Kripp goes into the Roshan pit.
Unfortunately though, they get it on BB Team, the kill and the Aegis back on Kiritage, snaking
a supernova whoop-hop on the outside, but the stuns mean nothing without follow-up damage,
so his team is still being eviscerated.
They even bring down the bear in the end.
for absolutely nothing and they get the Aegis Bed Boom Team of the Battle of an
incredible initiation by Said to mollish that team fight.
Let's consider the wipe.
It is kind of five heroes right because you're playing versus six.
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
They basically wipe them and they get the Aegis.
Primal Beast unable to do anything.
He wasn't able to pop to BKB, wasn't able to pulverize anyone.
absolutely got demolished first, Tiny was on top of him as well save this is a pretty
palsy move from the lion but they were too committed into the pit, they were too committed on the
rush trying to get it and they paid the price for it even though these kind of areas are just perfect
for clock and phoenix because the pit can be outside it's very hard to reach but just not
lots of damage. Way too much damage coming out of carry stitch. There, lane of barracks
middle, they got the melee down bottom, the bear does get caught out. Savage roar there,
quick, able to get the hook shot towards the arrow, Mero actually turned him onto him with
the star breaker. That's a dead clockwork. TPK, rolling thunder will not connect once
he's snaking. The will enable him to escape. So, they get aggressed upon with one less
hero and still get away with a kill without being punished.
The advantage is pretty big at this point, 13k, but it's also the way that it transforms
into items.
Sometimes your 13k doesn't really feel that big, sometimes these items are pretty huge
and every single part of what they're buying on Radiant is a small puzzle that adds up.
The Lincoln in particular that was just built by Pangolier, it's hard to, even if you do
everything right it's hard to get that pull rise off onto the pangolier now
14k net worth lead for pet boom team team Falcons yeah the lone druid does have a
lot of net worth but this bear is also not so viable enough to reliably dish out
that damage that is so quickly the moment they get any kind of disabled on it
I feel like the bear in this kind of a game definitely is a big damage dealer
but they need to pick up the slack a little bit, pick up the load on the other heroes
And for that to happen they need more net worth
There's it there, about to die
Thanks for the gold, much appreciated Skeeter. This is a stalling game
I would I feel like from Falcons. They need agonies on Underlord. I feel like they also need the sheeva's on someone
3000 gold away from the agonies under the FHM, no way anybody's getting a sheeva's anytime soon
Here's another tier 2 tower being taken.
All the outer towers removed from the game.
They might just continue charging on.
Still about 2 minutes remaining on this Aegis.
Still a BKB available for the tiny.
Got to hunt the bear first.
Find the bear.
Looks like they might be able to kill the bear even so.
This is one of those hunting game simulators.
More than Dota.
Well now we have a lot of problem a minute without a bear from Skeeter so what are they
going to do without it?
Okay, let's see. You've got rock troll, you've got fire spirits, and you've got like pit of malice firestorm
So the long distance defense isn't that terrible for them. Maybe they can do it
Especially with this extra increase in the range on the Underlord
It's being effective right now. Carriages just go to the middle to finish off the rangebarg.
25 seconds until we can resummon the bear, Nero is gonna go forward, I should just hand
long off wounds into Amar, Crockwork is gonna be there with a home shot, but GPK is gonna
use the opportunity to roll into the fight and eliminate Amar.
Bi-Back is available for him, GPK on the background, looking towards healing, snaking, will succeed
in this endeavor, earning himself a double kill, and with this double damage wound, even
Crit is in danger.
Crit does manage to fly back into the base, forcing out the Bi-Back of Amar.
He's TP, wanted to TP forward but he saw the positioning of this tiny Mudo's way too dangerous.
The girl is back there, the bear is back, but we still have 30 seconds of an agent, there's going to be an in veil onto Omar.
Omar is dead, has a die back on the underlord.
Beautiful aspect played, Maureen Triner is at least killed somebody on the backlight with the trample.
Unable to even move Liz, held in position, killed off, no buyback available for him.
And it's looking like that team might have cracked the code that is this Falcons delaying of the game definitely feels that way
There's no tier two on top lane
So the question is do they want to go top without ages? Why not? There's no primal
There's no underlord. You know that they don't have buybacks. So just a matter of time before they start pushing in
And there's no bear
Or no berries. I'm like they kind of want to just throw the bear into the fight. He's gonna be kb
Maybe he can catch lion from behind
He does get safe, but at what cost?
He's safe as BiBag if he really feels like he's...
There's no way that he even has...
He doesn't have to use it straight up to the troll.
There's too much damage, Tiny has too much to stay now.
He's got full Satanic completed.
He's got Blads on.
Aw, save! What a BiBag!
He finds the one thing that could stall out the rest of this game.
BiBag catches the bear, kills it off.
it off. It's gonna be able to be resummoned in 10 seconds, but 10 seconds when you're defending
against Tiny is a very long time. Yeah, someone told me this hero hits hard. Hard as a rock.
Yaro, they just coasted it up a couple of seconds till these heroes return.
Pop work does go up to a second. It's gonna be a big move, boom, into the pulverize,
immediately cancelled out by the Global Silence with GPK rolling on the back lines.
They hit a supernova there, not gonna stun anybody except GPK and he's still inside the rolling thunder
so his life is safe. Say though, came through, hex, Earth Spike, brings down Mal, read with the finger of death
and GPK able to take out Crit as well. They're all gonna be forced to retreat, a lot of HP was expended on the tiny
so Karatich wants to play this one safe but got Satanic, just needs to wait 5 seconds, pop this Satanic, hit some creeps
and you can come back in and try and end the game.
It's three against five right now. They don't really have a lot of mana
But like you said, they have satanic for the HP and they have saved for the mana
So he's just doing this is their little portable fountain here in the triangle
That's only a 29 snack with Intel
That's crazy. I mean at this point he actually kind of hits hard even with the greedy
There we go, we're there, he's gonna get held in position, unable to do anything, unfortunately
the Bay Area might just die again during the stall breaker.
Nori's still alive but Kiritian does kill it off.
Amar trying to fight within his own pit of balance that he dragged back in.
Look how unafraid they are, whose pit of balance is this actually?
Earth's fight from save onto two, both of them dead.
Snakey trying to do the best he can from the back line but Nero comes in with a solo
Gigi is called, fountains are thrown in the tower and Bed Boom have shown that pace and speed can destroy it, demolish and prevent any kind of ractota.
Yeah, they called it. They called it this time around, no queen of pain to really bring that unsurmountable damage for the lone druids to farm up and come online.
online. It was a completely different story because they kind of went out guns blazing
on all three lanes. Primal wasn't seen until the BKB. I have to say it came a little bit
too late.
It did come a little bit too late so that would mean that Betboom team will be the ones to
progress into the playoffs. The first team here during our group stages to break down
how they were able to do it and to talk about the madness that was the early game. We send
it back to Lady Sheva and her squires in the panel.
Thank you very much, gentlemen. Yeah, we are going to talk about how bad they did this, because this was, if this is the style for sometimes when teams win and do well, other people are going to look up and be like, oh, how could they do it?
If this is the style that we are going to see other teams play for the rest of Malachi, I'm signing for it. This was explosive.
Yeah, they kind of play, if you were to look at all teams in Dota at the moment and say, what's the most traditional style of Dota? I think this is it.
it, like supports that want to go to the mid lane, fight through the mid lane, you want your mid laner to be like this playmaker, and then your carry is going to always scale, your off laner enables, like I think like they still, like they do the lane thing so well that you get to see these type of lane works.
Other teams, if they took these heroes, they might falter because of their inability to hit these notes, but maybe very reliable on kind of replicating the first 20 minutes of any game they play, and I thought.
I feel like a key factor to this style is their individual gameplay has been off the charts.
I think their mid-player has stood out in game one and two and suddenly their carry player is the man of the game.
Yep, 100%. I mean this game was 12-3-20 because compared to Maureen, he was 2-9-1.
There was a major difference in that mid lane and that's because BV they just knew what they had to do,
play through the mid lane, threaten, you know, Primal Beast, and if a Falcon, if Primal was not going in,
we set it in the draft. He has to go in, has to use the clockwork to make Underlord feel like
he can join the fight. A ma can't start fights this time around, because of him playing Underlord.
I think BB read that really nicely, and just went, yeah, Primal Beast, you have zero game.
Yeah, it still feels like it was a pressure pick, the Underlord. That's what I like to assume.
Still, BB played their draft to their strengths, and the vicariers, all three games went similar,
For Kirtus, I did not realise it was 0 deaths.
He was Genesis save in the last game.
You know what, I can do it too.
Incredible game.
He probably just called him a feeder.
He's like, yeah, sure, alright, I'll show you.
And he did well deserved MVP.
Got counterpicked on the lane as well with that.
There was a chance for Falcons to counterpick the carry.
Yeah, counter pick, the carry of Bedboom, and still had a fantastic game.
What more can you wish for?
And he did it with the Tiny, it is a meta pick currently, doing very well, the Tiny itself
as a hero.
Maybe something that should be higher on priority?
Very solid pick right now, I feel like it fits into almost any lineup that you want to pick.
He can be the solid guy in the scrims like him, he's very strong really as well, the
learning has no problems.
We're all very strong.
This is a series though where I think BB showed understanding of developing drafts throughout a series.
Initially, game one, they struggled, then they kind of understood, ah, this is what we need to do.
And you can see that every game, there was a tweak in the draft to make sure that the players kept kind of leveling up as well.
Other teams, maybe like through local spirit, they're not showing that ability to develop and level up throughout a draft.
So they falter, but I think BB, especially in game three, the way they double picked the support, holding back the core,
the core, they don't want to show their carry, so they take the dawn break and like they really just
kept Falcons also having to like hold their cards to their chest and we said it hurt them,
it's good it doesn't really have the carry pick, that feels like the shore pick, right? The Lundra
is okay, like three games of Loneroo, but it's not like, it's not as like statements as other heroes
that we've seen, it's not a powerful hero, yeah. No, the Tiny was a powerful hero and we've got
ourselves a clip that shows us just that, at that point of course that one was already very far ahead
but it was kind of like the nail in the coffin this Rochefight.
Yeah, it was pretty much the deciding moment.
They go to this Rochefight, they try to take it, they get pushed back.
Bibi gets pushed back by Falcons, and then they come back in,
and Kuretich, a standoff player for me, played super well this game,
just gives the Aegis and cleans up the teamfight.
Zero death game, as you mentioned.
He's been having great decision making, great calls,
Tiny was a good hero.
just carry this team on his back yeah I clean whilst you were saying he kind of
did his job nicely and then we'll shout as well I think the silencer falcons have
been banning out a lot in their drafts we've been waiting like what teams are
gonna play it I think we've only seen a couple science games and now in the
hands of Katerina as well like that's what you go 3-1-1 you play lane with
your your glaive you walk around the map throw some cursors and dude like you
want to explore the map on silencer you don't AFK you're not just a global bot
You can't have a stuff so I think told me is reminding everyone that's why Falcons are bad in this hero
Yeah, and he sent you to shop for a perfect game and speaking of kyrtosh
I believe I can summon him to the couch because I think he's around. Yeah
How are you doing?
On the cozy couch congratulations on the on a great series on a great result so far 3 and 0 and I love to hear from you
How you feel like these three days? Why are you guys so explosive here?
We're just full-track hard. We have a very good conclusion after the Benjamin game.
We played very bad last quarter on Dream League.
So we just make good conclusions with full-track hard every day. That's why we win.
And do you feel like you have a good grasp on the current patch with that as well?
Yeah, we just understood what's here is good, what's here is bad.
We feel that it's very in-ba also, but we prepare how we want to play.
So yeah, it works out. All right alchemist. It's a hero everyone's banning falcons though
They keep giving it away. Do you think they should be giving it away?
Do you feel like this hero should always be banned away never touched again? I think this here is kind of super broken, but I
Think I'm are very confident into Alch and he don't play versus my Alch
See all right, don't like your your Alch. We've seen at least from wits from South America
He didn't give away eggs. He actually wanted to buy items for himself. I'm yet to see other players do that
Do you think alchemist can play a non agnems game or do you have to buy the agnems?
No, I think it's trash because
Just you can play with what spirit warp it's broken acts you can give him and it's also boost
Your damage knowledge because you have broken
15 level talents. Yes. Yes
Yes, it's giving damage. So it's very good stock. You can just buy one axe and you can buy your items
It's just very good stock because I buy BKB blink
Kira's
No, no damage your damage, but I give axe for my millenia and I have this broken talent. Sure. So I have damage. It's
Amazing. Okay, and then one final question from me. If that's okay
We are is
Silencer have you been screaming falcons, but they keep banning silencer and I think you're the best silencer team
Have you made them afraid of a hero that like no one else is playing?
I think they were also a right silencer sneaking ready to play on this hero and they were scared.
Okay, I see. Will?
I want to ask you a different question.
What do you think is better for practice on heroes? Is it pubs or screens?
I think you need balance. Like you can play only pubs or you can play only screens.
You need to play maybe 5-6 pubs with 4 scrims and watch some replays.
I think it's just the best you can do for improve.
And do you like the current pubs right now, the Immortal Draft?
I love Dota, so I like pubs because in these pubs, of course, every game is fucking trash.
It's not joking, it's just life.
It is just life.
But I'm so happy to play DOT, I'm so happy to play in BedBoom team and just full-trick
heart.
I'm trying to improve my mental in pubs because I don't have normal sub player in my lane,
like someone tilted cry or buyback.
So I just play and I'm doing what can I do, like improve, what can I do, just better last
hit creeps, better saline, better pressmoke, better dodge enemy gank, looking for a minimap.
So I very like pubs anyway.
Yeah, it was a great mentality to have.
So it supports the problem for you in pubs or mid lane is the problem?
What role did you play?
I'm a five player.
I felt very attacked just then.
It's okay.
So what role is the most annoying for you?
For me it's five post player because it's just too much like buyers on this average.
So, this is actually a ruin, I just say, can you block big bro, or I plan a match with Q on the first level, bro, I want to push lane, don't block big, just block big, I can't understand, it's ruined my lane, what can I do?
I'll Q into you next week and I'll ask if you think I'm an account buyer, okay? We'll find out in the game.
Alright, I got one final question, because I'm assuming that you guys have been screaming Aurora on Paravision, potentially, and they're going up against each other in just a moment,
moment and I was hoping you could shine some light and what you think will happen in this area.
We don't scream sources of roar and parry, I don't know how they're gonna be played, but I think
it's very good to team on this tournament, I think it's 50-50 for me, but I think Nightfall right
now is the best guy in the world. Better than yourself and satanic right now, yeah, but not
not known as tournament.
Ooh, okay, okay, well we're gonna find out.
Thank you so much for joining us, Keertich.
We're gonna let you go to celebrate with your team.
Gonna have a couple of days off.
You can just take your leave.
Two days off is gonna be lovely for a bit,
but when I'm sure they're gonna be playing a lot of Dota
and actually a lot of pubs as well.
Push it to the way you are, Keertich.
Yeah, no, I'm good.
We are gonna be moving forward
because that is one team that is secured for playoffs.
There's gonna be another team secured for playoffs.
It's going to be either Aurora or Paravision,
and 1-3 will decide that after the break.
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You are all watching Pijala here Season 8 and we are getting ready for our
Final series of the night one more series that will get a team out of group stages and into the playoffs aurora and para vision
We'll mess of three and it's gonna be 50 50 kill if you just so so we're looking at a very competitive back and forth
Series keg of that's fun. Yeah, no, it should be we've obviously had the privilege of catching a couple of the p-vision games
Have we covered overall yet?
Not on this and not on this evening panel
So I'm excited to see what type of form they are in at Valahia, because we've been very locked into our stream games.
So for me it's like kind of first showing of Aurora at Valahia, but B-Vision, quite scary.
Yeah, quite scary. And I think we kind of know what form Para-Vision is in, not just here in Valahia, but just overall.
Seventeen games, Winstry. Seventeen games. They haven't dropped a single game. Seventeen games.
Yeah, it's very good especially because when you look towards the call up like qualifiers, right?
It's like they qualified to get to a splash slam then they win a tier two online tournament sure
There's a couple stand-ins from shenanigans and playing that one, but they look very good
They have to see this has started happening when puppy drink
Astros he joined and it was like average into people questioning and
Then I think as it was nearing the patch inter patch everything gonna hit you read. That's the buffer though
He took some time to get used to the team, and I feel like suddenly they've been looking better and better every tournament they played coming up until here, and now they're just on a hot streak.
It's also the first patch that Puppy experiences as a coach from the start, because jumping in at the end of a patch I'm sure is going to be very different than following the ebbs and flows of a patch.
of a patch. Yeah, especially because like when you join a team, you are kind of having to look at what was the old systems in place, especially when it's like a coach like a senior. He was a coach that had a lot of like ideas and formula and like he wanted to have like the team do
certain motions. When you're a new coach coming in, you have to potentially break down those motions of your players. If you have a different read on the game, you need to kind of like get new setups, new ideas. So again, it will take time clearly is working out based on the streak they are currently on.
the game. I think that's the
best thing that they've done.
It is an incredible streak. If
they can continue it throughout
the entirety of this life here
that will be. You know,
insanely impressive, but Aurora
they are a team that is known
for having some pretty good
streets themselves. I think
they had a very good series
win streak at some point earlier
in the year. Jewish mentioned
the better caring. Yeah, and
he was carrying the best carry
only carry that said that
Nightfall has been the most improved carry and he's on a tear like he's doing very well. He is
a changed man some might say for the for the better. So we're gonna have Nightfall vs Titanic
and that is a matchup that is very spicy I think.
Classic matchup in the CIS region where they have this. Nightfall is more of a like a stable.
He is but I am worried about night force coordination. He's putting a lot of picture there, but he has missed his logo quite immensely
It's on the other side of his jersey. Yes, so he goes for over aura. You see aura. It looks like it says or again or again
Okay, there's normally you're it's also his heart on the left side. Yeah, okay, you know
Just putting out there guys coordination
and not at the A game.
You know what was cool, by the way, about the hero,
because there was also Dota related things
on the graphic just there.
Both players have played three different heroes,
but Nightfall has played six games
whereas the tonic has played four.
Yeah, I think Nightfall, when he is at the best of his game,
he will always find his hero pool
and he will keep forcing it, right?
Like in previous patches, it was the Abaddon, the Tiny,
the Ursa, like Sven, like he will keep going,
no, if they're available, I'm gonna do it.
Quite a big hero pool, for both of them actually.
Sure, yeah, but I think for Nightfall at least, it's like we're seeing it here, right?
The Lone Druid, the Tiny, and the Ursa are in play, if he can pull them off, he will just keep playing it.
He doesn't care about trying to go for an 8-fee attempt through some carries, like your Toro Eames.
The Tiny sometimes in longer tournaments will find double-digit carries.
Nightfall normally leans towards his playbook.
In the last Titanic, he's going to pull out some other heroes like we've seen before, some random P.L.,
Some meepo here and there, Naga Sairin.
He's a type of player who can play almost any hero I feel right now.
And he actually plays very good compared to the other heroes.
There was a scary side note though that Kiritage gave.
Nightfall is the best carry currently, but then he added, but not in this event.
We didn't want to go deep into that.
What exactly did he mean by that?
And that's what I'm wondering.
Did mean to himself or to Sertanik?
Oh, that's true. He could have hyped himself up.
I'm actually the guy this time
Yeah, we should have our we should have it. It has been playing pretty well
He's the oldest so far as the tiny yeah
He may be satanic based on pubs
He's been setting a bit more matter through like playing the PL reminding people night falls kind of like playing his staples
Then be carrot it's just a bit more respect towards innovators versus the
Kind of consistent who knows again. We should just ask the question
So let's just get it out of the way. Okay, miss as well
Wooo!
Not an ultimate discussion.
Freedom.
Into Tiny as well.
Tiny is out as well.
Monkey is out.
A lot of carries are being banned here in the first phase.
I mean Aurora, it's the support respect towards the 9 class, right?
It's the Monkey Flex of support, the Rubik, the IO.
When P-Vision are truly in their prime, I think when 9 class is able to step up and kind of
eat a lot of the bands.
So he's doing that exactly for Aurora, and for P-Vision, we mentioned the heroes that
we're playing, the Tiny, the Lone Druid.
Of course, Ursel is a late pick for him in one of the drafts.
We're going to assume Alchemist would always be banned out.
I think P-Vision have like one free ban now, and they put it towards the Phoenix.
Three carry bans on P-Vision, and one carry ban on Aurora.
Both teams are respecting the carries, they understand, and as I said, in my class, always
a danger to play against.
It always comes up with these weird heroes that nobody really plays, has a lot of impact
on.
He does it a lot in pubs as well.
This is a place of practice, of course.
Everybody feels it.
And the hero we talk about potentially heading towards being a very important corner piece of the entire event, Slotar.
The classic Slotar. Or do we love our Ravaiyab?
What a hero! You're like, that's good looking.
Usually we're going to strike which won't say anything now, and together we're going to drop.
Slotar is 72% win rate in 14 years.
That's actually very high.
Super high.
Especially because like, all teams are playing the hero.
Not only that, he speaks early in almost every single game.
I can't wait for the shard to get nerfed and the heritage to disappear.
He lives a bit of a shard. He's very much a shard-only hero kind of vibe.
So it's also the nitpick to SSS. We saw him yesterday play really well on it.
But WS also has an explosive playstyle, so it's also very fitting after that for him.
But now it's a lot of versus the tidehunter.
I feel like they already switched the style on parry right now with the style hunter because yesterday they played nice talker and stardark
which as you mentioned they're kind of like assassin heroes and now they have this like blubber
this fish that's just sitting in front is chilling
They have done it already there in the tournament so it's not as if it's like oh can he play it
they have played it they have won with it but I fully agree like the pacing that they utilized amazingly against the world like triple S
I know he's been like a decent offlaner, but that series yesterday was like, okay, now I see why he's like truly like a member of this roster
So the reason why I mentioned that is because they're not playing
Against heroic and I feel like they had that style on him specifically for Tyloon
He's I feel like he was the target they focused but for Aurora
It seems like they respect the team more than just one player. Yeah, I mean also against heroic
You were in KJ always want to be aggressive
So if you can match their aggression and kill them you can break them in the first four minutes before the game even starts
Yeah, that's kind of what happened right the night stalker in the Sardar games
They got a couple kills humans in the back foot right so I kind of agree that I think they're just reading the
safe fame potentially and
Tailoring their draft around it. Can you blubber off?
Crackle
It's cross a face. Yes. Yes. It's this is the other active for crackin is still called blubber. They read they remove that around
and then they bring it back to order now, isn't it back to just cracking?
Yeah, but isn't the buff that you get on you, like blubber?
The buff that you get is blubber, yeah.
It is still cool, blubber?
But that's just the buff that dispels a different thing.
I thought it was the thought thing.
I think it's a different thing.
Let me check.
It's very important.
I obviously very frequently play Tidehunter, so you know what I mean.
Barana coming out, no longer blubber?
I believe it's just cracking.
Okay.
Can you crack enough Coros of Haines?
Okay, I think the respect Aurora has for lane class you can see it in the bands
They've been five heroes that my classes playing right now
All five as our target towards one guy so far
Well, the paravision also continues just going on banning more carries now with the earth so they are as well. Yeah
Nightfall being targeted as well. Yeah, does Marona still have the evasion talent?
question for the room I don't think so you don't think so let me check he she does
what the talent at the time 15 on right I'm just like already thinking that when
the other first bit slaughter you want to have heroes that can find ways to live
through the initiation right SD in those heroes they're okay when you're saving
the guy but when you're jumped can be scary Marana with visibility with the
evasion talent, every little helps. Titan throw again with the Kraken, it helps. So I feel like
P-Vision is kind of respecting Slava immensely with their first two picks, even just having a leap
on Morana. Just one jump away, Slava's gonna, unless you have Harpoon, you're like, oh well, I tried.
He does not like evasion, the heroes, and his partners of course they don't like evasion.
They pull out the Jekiro. Just very strong lanes, I think that's what I'm wondering.
What was very successful in this tournament?
Sure, but when you look towards Coyori, I feel like he thrives when he can just win a lane,
be it from Enchantress, Jakiro, Warlock of the past, Jakiro did get nerfed with like the mana cost
on your third spell, but you still pushed out when you have like three points, four points in it.
You might have to respect that you're missing a little bit more mana, missing maybe one spell
usage in the lane phase, but you are somewhat oppressive.
Oh, they bust out the PL already.
And they're using the LESH right?
And they took the LESH away from it.
They took it away, but also they're still flexing it,
of course, between my class and no one.
I like that.
They do this line-up yesterday, maybe with a change-up
with the tide enter, I feel like.
Something very similar, yeah.
Ten seconds remain.
So, at least for P-Vision, the PL, it's good in Slardoc,
you have armor.
Jakir and Hoodwink will never do anything to the PL.
Jakir is kind of good in this PL.
Kiii... kind.
Kind. Okay, so the kind that comes with that, yes, you can ice path the PL to help you get on top.
Yes, you can buy Agnans to secure the location in which you're fighting.
But you're still gonna die in one second.
Yes, you'll die in one second and crazy idea. People just walk away from the macro buyer.
That's true. I've been looking at Aurora and they have these two supports that they just
want to be aggressive. You know, they have no saves. They have the Slardar. Now they have two
very aggressive supports. They basically want to take, again, fights everywhere.
but it's gonna be a problem because they have the spiel now and then the koto gets the puck
and very nice into the pl of course just having that coil in the early game you at which they
blink you find him you can just enable the damage like if you if you have macro pyre you won't
lock down so they have some pieces to deal with him i'm just a bit worried for roar that the early
game like lech moron or tide like if they park themselves next to a tower defending it like
that Jakira can't step up and take them.
There are nice tools for P-Vision to buy time,
pretty much for PL once again.
Yeah, it feels like this puck is a solution to the PL,
but history says Sartanik does not care about the puck.
No, you picked PL into a puck.
And this is one of the previous series.
And okay, let's say you're no one right now.
You're looking at the puck on 18, you still have 24 pick.
You're probably gonna let nine-class take the Lash
to the four-row.
Most likely.
and you're then gonna find a new mid lane, right?
So there's, you can either take-
There's a couple of this in heroes, yeah.
Okay, here's the second question.
Do you want a hero to stun him in the game
to threaten him, like the tiny's or whatever?
Or do you want a hero to just shut him down in the lane?
Like the, the huskars or whatever?
To shut him down in lane,
the box specifically is gonna take some weird heroes.
Not many, not many heroes I feel can do it.
One example is, like in Huskar.
Huskar can do it very easily.
There's Ember that can work as well,
but it goes back and forth throughout the game.
I feel like no one is the type of player
who focuses on laning stage,
so he's definitely gonna look for something
to do good against the puck.
But they already have a leash,
and the leash is still decent against the puck on the lane.
You gotta give Pivic a decent amount of respect
to go with that ban.
They were thinking, okay, we have PL,
what can Nightfall play?
He is like the only carry player
that plays a Radiance buying Omni-Carry.
No idea if it's even good on 7.41.
Doesn't matter, get it out.
But respecting Radiance, I feel like they're not even banning carries for Nightfall.
They're banning out carries that can buy Radiance for Nightfall.
So potentially that 22 ban as well could also follow the same theme.
Because against PL, it's a very basic checkbox, right?
Can we buy Radiance? Yes, can we buy Sheeva's? Yes.
Can we play the game? Hopefully.
They're banning out the spirits for the puck.
The Assum is going to be a mid, or the beauty of the PB lineup is they can pick a mid and a 4.
It's free to do whatever, and they're still targeting, as you said, the Nightfall.
What else can he bring?
It is overall last pick for ParaVision, so they got to choose what to do.
In the mid lane.
One more ban. There is so much bonus time left, by the way, on the side of ParaVision.
so they can think very long on about what they want to remove is there any other
carry that comes to mind because I feel like there's a lot of radiance carries
still in the pool maybe not even radiance that's his friend even this is
Ving up to get out it's not that bad of his friend you know kind of like win
Ranger just for the fact that you can lock onto the real pill eventually and
with the axe build you're always so quick so when P.L. is trying to run away you're
always on top of him you're probably farmed quite nicely against Tide you
never care about the Yankee Smash.
There it is!
I thought so, there's a great spell against I2.
So I baited you by doing a Braidian to then swoop in with the Windranger, it's a brainless
leading to the audience, but there we go.
Got there in the end.
That's what Brain works.
Well, it's got.
It's PVG's time.
They need to find the one to answer this Windranger maybe with a mid-pick or with a four-position
pick.
How do you answer a Windranger?
Shadow Demon is a great tool and is still in the pool and it sets up stun for Lesh and
Mirana right now.
Well, that would be a classic, yeah.
Look at the save as well. It could set up even the kill on Puck because you cannot dodge the arrow.
If it's used correctly in a disruption, Puck cannot stay shifted.
I do like it, but there are a lot of talking happening from no one, and I don't know if he'd be yapping this much about...
He's like, can I play the LeShrak? Do I really have to play the LeShrak? I guess I could play the LeShrak.
Yeah, I understand his thoughts completely. He's basically just saying, give me Oscar right now.
I know they have a winner. I know I'm probably gonna lose this game in the leg game
But I still want to win the league. This is the classic middle in a little bit of those right now
It's kind of a cool camera show as well like seeing like no one speak then poppy speak behind him
And now it's like poppy stop speaking no one's thinking
Do I own it? But there's like I'm not being English correct. No, I was like, but
Maybe I should I was like no
Yes, I'm sure do we have to yes, you have to we have one game in hand
It's better three because it's the first game. It's fine. Yeah, it's okay. We're gonna learn a lot from it
You know what we I don't know if you have this color, but our next addition to the talent pool should be a person that can lip read
But that is not was not
Yeah, oh, yeah, no one does play it
Sure, it's interesting polls for a second nuts, all right
Tide will farm nicely against Bukk
Will he?
I feel like Bukk has quite a bit of right click damage
and a lot of spamable magic damage that Tide does not like
keep in mind
his cracking shield does not work against magic damage
But if he levels crack him to not get right clicked
I can see a ward where he can make fun
I'm expecting him to farm more safe he isn't
maybe you're right
probably right
anyways
Couldwink is a good solution for the Tide too
so...
Ehh true
I like the Axo for
the fact of putting pressure on the Windranger. I had a lot of fear for P-Vision, that Windranger with me on an axe could just take over his entire game.
So axe now is like a major stop to that.
So as long as Tide doesn't get somehow slaughtered in the mid lane, which I don't think it will happen, he just has to buy consecrated wraps and chill.
Of course that's after anything so we'll get that, but...
It's a good catch for a puck as well, like the axe.
It's not a bad against all the cores they have.
It's an 18pk Makoto puck
And he's kind of like clear in regards to like the lockdown against him. What if he gets an anchor?
Anchor is uh, it's quite a tool
This tight hunter is going to be more rich than an offline tight hunter
So it's going to get it earlier main thing is p vision
They flex tight to mid because they won't act to shut down windranger. They don't really have tools for the puck
What does he shoot?
He points to your blank pool, dude.
He's moving out of the lane.
I forgot you're the win ranger, dude.
Yeah, yeah.
But in the game, you need to stop him from running around.
Like, if he doesn't get out of control in the lane.
700 ms or some shit.
He's like...
I've seen this before.
4 times against me in pubs.
Well, I am trusting Nikkei in his build.
Nikkei does buy agonies.
Nikkei is not in this game.
going to check in with two people that will be in this game commentating it
actually snare lizard and you haven't talked about if someone overcooked or
not is this a little overcooked or do you feel like this is just right I think
this is just right both teams have like comfort picks for them you know win
ranger for nightfall got ws on his slaughter Mikoto puck on the other side
you got satanic pl triple s on axe this is just great lot the best part about
this is not the best part is no win no longer it no alchemist we have to pray
No Queen of Pain, no Queen of Pain, and few heroes, we used to play for times like this.
I can't tell you how happy I am with these drafts.
And an axe and a slardar as your offlaner, so I'm sure there's going to be some explosive gameplay happening, can't wait, Lizard and Snare take it away.
Thank you very much, Shriver. Let's get into it. An actual game of fun, Dota.
Well, it might not be fun, but at the very least it won't be as disgusting as it would be.
It's going to be fun. It's going to be fun. Come on, there's a lot of very interesting heroes here.
heroes here, different heroes if nothing else, Satanic on his... are we supposed to call
it signature now? I guess we are. It's PL, no one else there's touched this hero, but
he does play it. Last game as well, he played versus a puck. Albeit, that puck was countered
in all sorts of ways, right? There was a Rubik, there was a Nightstalker, it was a really
difficult puck game. I'm looking at the puck here and honestly, I know they mentioned Axe
and maybe some anchor from the tighthunter but if you're a good buck you shouldn't be afraid of that
and Mikoto is one of the best bucks in the world.
Mikoto, this is the hero that, this is an InvisBrit but I think this one more made us all realize
oh okay this guy is the future, this guy really is the one super hyped to see the game, also just
want to see Axeman, this hero doesn't get picked nearly enough, I don't really even care if it's
It's good or not. It's just fun to watch in the game.
Yeah, Miro played it a little bit recently, but overall, of course, Axe is fun as long as you're not absolutely miserable in the lane.
I have to say, right? Like, you have to have at least a little bit of a decent lane.
You're playing into double range, you're playing into a jacquero, and you're playing into a windranger.
I mean, it could be a bit rough, I'll tell you.
What do you make of this lane here? The Tidehunter versus the Proc?
I have no idea.
I mean I have no idea. I guess Puck should be able to farm very well with spells, of course you are playing versus a melee hero with 63 damage.
Anchor Smash doesn't really help a lot versus Puck because he's keeping his range all the time.
Like it comes down to like equilibrium play, how long can you keep your creeps on the high ground if you're tight hunter so that Puck isn't just constantly spamming you with right clicks.
Let's see. I mean no one, he absolutely asked for this and he did play it in the past.
Let him cook, like you said.
Using the kitchen right now, Shilin so far.
Things are going as expected, Metal and Makoto should be able to get more CS at the moment, but unlikely to kill no one anytime soon.
Where are the first kills going to be happening? Which is the Bomba lane in this game?
I feel like there is just a lot of kill potential on top lane, on both sides.
on bot lane maybe a bit more from the Slardar and the Hoodwink. If you're Hoodwink and Slardar
and one of you is dying you're probably making a positional mistake you're putting yourself out
there relatively too far. Got a couple of songs to work with the anchor shot. On paper Slardar and
Hoodwink should be the stronger lane down bottom. On the other side 9th class is just eating some
right clicks to create space with SSSS to get his CS. That's the next S. Yeah you're
right. It's a clone. Some random dude that took over the controls. He upgraded. Super
same soldier. Something. There you go. It works. Super, super same soldier. We'll see
how it goes for him. So far he has fit right into this team of Peruvidion. I feel like this
as well has been very kind to them. I think it's activated a lot of their
strategies. We'll see if Axe is one of the good ones. So far so good though. 17
last hits. Not looking too bad at all I have to say. Top of the CS right now not
really being aggressed into by Nightfall. Carlos just get forced into leaping away
down bottom. So there's something that you and I were talking about as the drop was
ongoing the setup for these arrows like the before the axe came out it did seem
very difficult to reliably get arrows to get the split earths but the axe
changes the colors might still die here one more right click from Mira after the
acorn shot secures the kill and the first blood for Aurora it's a hard lane
right like even for a mirana you might have some leaps to work with but you
still want to put yourself out there you still want to be trading hits you want
to be protecting your pentamons you can't be covering behind him toppling
They're dropping so damn low.
Yeah, Nightfall had to ring around the Rosie quite a bit there behind the tower, missed
a couple of blasts as well, so overall the pressure is mounting on the top lane.
This is the power of Lancas, Lush, I've seen this in multiple games now from him.
Whatever he's playing with, I feel like he's making this Lushrack work.
There's way too much damage and he isn't even playing around the Abolak Edict.
He doesn't even have it skilled.
It's all about the spam of the lightning storm and a couple of splitters here and there if needed
You're gonna be building into a spirit vessel. We're not full vessel, but at least an urn
We will complement the damage output in the early game could be the distiller as well
Not all that again the stats, you know the items the build up is nice
SSS stop playing there zoning came at least
Yeah, Lecherac has had to leave so without that spam very difficult for Axe to approach the lane
Fortunately where the wave is right now
It should come close enough that he's not gonna be harassed into it. So should be able to get this one
Yeah, I mean while on the mid lane we can see no one already resorting to shenanigans
Keep skipping a little bit farming the medium camp in the triangle as tight hunter this early on five minutes in
I mean he's just maximizing his farm right like there isn't really anything that they can do to him
The colors is fine for now
There's not a 50 HP so it could have been a very scary moment, but you will pop the self
Regen himself up tower spots vision of mirror. So and the observer as well. They know where he's at
Titanic has still been farming pretty well on this PL as we've seen yesterday
You know what this guy's capable of on this hero
I'm not sure if they're gonna have the same latitude as yesterday where his team is basically winning the game for versus
5 in a single form?
This is a very difficult game. Top man, he manages to double stun.
How does the Windranger overall strike you as a carry right now?
I feel like the hero is in a much worse state than she was in the last batch.
Oh, for sure.
Actually speaking of the Windranger, in her lane, they're about to lose a Jikiro here.
They have rotated in with Mira, hoping to try and get triple S, catches him with a long range bushwack.
Yet again, Maramama on night 4 for the power shot.
He's too big. Like this axe, I feel like the rotation from Hodyun could have been maybe a little bit earlier,
but he was focused on the Kallis. If he rotates a bit earlier, maybe they could shut down the axe,
because right now this lane, even though maybe it doesn't feel like that right now, it's
becoming a bit out of control. Yes, too much.
To your earlier point about where your win-win is at, I think her losing tangles make a big difference,
but now hold on to bless
Still gonna be fine for now
Does have a lotus to eat
So he's gonna be cool chilling
9-class build a map for a little bit
but Mira is still in the vicinity
Bushwack makes the connection
She's gonna try to kill Leshrac's courier as well
Ends up killing off the real hero too
Unfortunately, it does waste the rotation of Mikoto
so they might have to go contest for the shrine
Yeah, exactly, it's not wasted, right?
Because he will be able to get into the shrine area
On the other side, no one is already there
together with the Mirana
So one for one in here.
No chance for WS to solo zone them.
So back to Windranger.
I kind of feel like the hero has gone from a staple carry
to a specialist carry.
Certain people are able to use this,
be able to reliably get the shackle shots.
Because when you miss a shackle shot in the middle of a fight,
you just feel really bad.
And I think the build is, we heard
between T and Rihanna on the panel
that there's disagreement between carries
about which is the correct build on the hero.
Yeah, I mean, the only question is whether to X or not to X or not to X.
But overall, I feel like Nightfall in general has been struck quite hard with a patch.
Maybe that's something that Kiritich meant when he was talking on the panel.
As Nightfall up to this patch, like a month ago, I swear he was the strongest carry in the world.
He looked that way.
At the moment, most of his heroes, and not only his, like Aurora's heroes in general, when you think about it have been nerfed.
They're one of the first teams, if not even the first team, to start spamming Largo on the offlane.
A lot of very crazy, peculiar safe laners that they were playing.
Econominite, position one as well. They've all been more or less relegated from position one.
Nightfall, certainly a good enough carry to be able to adapt the living circumstances.
Arrow, going towards Mira, will not connect.
WS will draw himself back to chase into 9th class and then the Codo is here with the dream
quail if needed.
It is not WS finds the crush, we'll need to find the kill.
Tight Hunter, aggressing a little bit on the turmoil tower, you see, building the wrap
seasonal.
Okay, so it's just a Vlad's classic, Tight Hunter, Vlad's faceboots, a couple of racers,
ring. That's tanky enough. This is going quite nicely for the Titans are getting the
tier one like this. Yeah, sure, the park has been able to participate in the kill.
They've been moving around the map, but he just feels like he's jelling. Like, who's
gonna really threaten them? What TP is he worried about that realistically can
kill him at this stage? Before level six on Hoodbink, probably, he feels like a
true Levite and like you're not taking care of him. So once you get the
Short shooter, he's definitely going to kill us all.
Speaking of said hoodwink,
down bottom just putting some pressure onto the PL so we can leave this pool.
Top lane.
Top lane we do have now, Makoto.
They still have the dreamclaw, looking towards triple S.
They've already burst through 9th class very quickly.
Triple S.
It's a bit of a different candidate here.
3 points into the spin, has a bracer, some faith boots, still chilling with the Lotus.
So, also hard to kill.
But pervision, they're a very different thing when it comes to the way they play Dota, the way they itemize, the way the heroes that they play as well.
And I feel like this kind of a game is going to test that a little bit, because they're playing the Titan Hunter, lads, soul ring, they won't have a blink dagger, they won't have any sort of initiation for quite a while.
Keep in mind, on their offlane, they last picked an axe.
This hero generally buys at least blademail before blink, at least.
Right now he has it queued up, I expect blink to come after, but it's quite some time before
they will have some solid catch.
Maybe they can play around moonlight shadow, we'll see.
We'll see how Mulwell they're able to hold onto the portion of the game before those
blink daggers arrive, because of course, Mikoto and them have a much easier time getting
out none of the half the puck. Oh absolutely. Bottom. Gonna try and dive to Carlos yet again
leaping away and no one is gonna TP in. Ravage is at the ready. Not made the decision to use
it just yet. They might need one more hero to be nearby. WS coming forward but too many
decisions for no one to make. Doesn't want to expend Ravage for nothing. It's good enough
to just show up with the Ravage and dissuade them from pushing the tower. New time macro
But Ducalis is still alive, Blood Grenade might put an end to that, the final right
click of Mira destroys the Murana.
The level 1 leap usually does this to you, the charge restore time is pretty damn long,
so if you use it once in the fight, you're probably gone after the moment you're caught.
Wait to squish you of a hero.
And I really like what they're doing with the PL, even though they moved the tide down
bottom right because there's like three four heroes on bottom or at least we're
top-sane. Okay well you have the first focus fire of the game going out onto 9
costs you won't be able to kill off the split earth. Shackle shot interrupts the
cost. You can't just came in hopefully looking for a save not gonna be able to
find it and instead he finds Mira who was hiding in the trees catches him with
the push whack opens up the opportunity and secures the kill. To be real this
draft of Paravision until they have a blink on axe as long as Aurora keeps on
dodging tight hunter is unplayable. There isn't really a lot that they can do.
PL is literally AFK farming hero for a long time. It's not even only the man
I feel like he needs another item after. And by the way, he's been gone on at the
moment. He's silenced and there's also Dreamclaw and an arcane rune puck. So this
could be a dead PL on the mid lane. What else is nearby for the Rora? There is a
tight hunter in the offing but there's no way he'll reach there in time. Yeah, he's
is too far. It's way too far. The way that Aurora have played the map so far has been
fantastic. The adjustments from Prevision were fine, moving PL mid trying to delay the push
just so that the Tidehunter can delay the other heroes from taking down the tower down
bottom. But the adjustment from the other side as well, just moving top with everyone
and killing the PL most likely of the mid lane. Yep, just perfect.
Dakota takes him out, no one, lumber's over but not going to be able to catch him. So
That's just a kill you have to give up. Top lane, Chocolets, he's trying to catch up to Kaori, but Mira there with the Bushwack, making sure that there's no more progress for the sacks.
He does at least have the blade mail, so he can begin the progress towards getting that blink and opening up the game for his team.
Yeah, with the blade mail, they do have some additional damage source, right? With the blade mail, maybe some rotation from the supports, they can start pressuring the map.
There's a couple of ways that you can create space for your carry.
One of the best ways, in my opinion, is to attack, right?
Just go for these two on towers.
The one on the top lane is probably the best to go for.
You were mentioning earlier that without the Tidehunter being available, they can't really
do anything.
And Tidehunter will lumber towards the top side of the map.
Putting pressure onto Mira right now, they find this hoodwink.
Arrow will not connect, but they should find the call.
No dunk, he just gets killed off by the anchor smash.
There's Zodjin here.
Anywhere they see the tighthunter, they just move away with everyone that is able to move
away.
He's sleeping bottom, I'd be surprised if they stayed here.
Maybe they want to take down the tower at least.
No one.
Yeah.
No one, he's so funny to watch, he just shows up and they're just like alright, peace out
thug, we'll see you later.
I just, no one wants to play with him.
That's it, he's a sad boy right now.
Why are you giving me flashback to my childhood bro?
It's like carrying a doll, it's not an anchor, it's an inflatable doll next to him, the only
thing that he plays with, that little bolt of his.
He's like guys, come play with me, no?
You can have my toy as well please, come, come Puck!
Puck was nothing to do with that, dips the hell out, goes the other side.
Very interesting by the way from WS as well, he has the blink dagger and minus heat up,
I'm actually going for Midas. Very interesting. From the offline you very rarely see this.
There was a time where mid lane Slardars were doing Midas very often. He's basically securing
himself for maybe a little bit of a later stage in the game. The reason why Midas fell
out of favor is basically the shard. The moment shard became an active build for Slardar,
I don't stop buying Midas.
I'm gonna have a complete right now.
Gonna try and collapse onto triple S.
They hit him up with the Dream Quail.
Nightfall's nearby as well. They should be able to get more of the damage out.
With the Focus Fire, Blade Mail was activated.
But his HP pool is too low.
Nightfall secures the kill on triple S.
Another good rotation
by the boys of Aurora.
No one...
What do you think about the Axe Gold on the side onto you?
It's interesting like when I see a mid lane no one tight hunter. I'm not necessarily expecting an axe
I don't know why but I'm expecting some
Something that's gonna hit hard, you know like some tight hunter in the past that he did was with a satanic even
You know, I mean, okay tight hunter. Yeah, just massive right clicks massive heels desolator what not, you know
Of course, it's a mean build. I pull my real
One nightfall has been dodging as much as he could around no one, but unfortunately that
Invis rune ends up being the death of him in the end.
You don't need a blink when you can find a good rune for yourself, apparently.
Triple S is also using the time period.
You know all of the time that they've been either dodging no one or he goes to where
they are?
That has created enough space for Triple S to basically have his blink dagger.
It has.
He's got his blink and you know what's actually kind of funny?
The fact that he's going to, in the end, have a faster blink than the Slaardar.
Because of the Midas.
Uh, the Gaelas.
Woof!
It's a chop-cheater.
To be fair, this Slaardar isn't even forced to be a part of most of the fights, right?
Like, he's just farming.
Puck is doing all the work for everyone on his side.
So, I guess it justified, but...
Let's see, Axe.
He's going to have this advantage now.
That's how the Blank Dagger would love to be able to find the puck.
He'll feel great catch, but will come across Mira instead.
Doesn't have 9th loss with him. 9th loss was going for Kaori,
so a little bit of miscommunication coming in from Parry Vision
will enable both of these supports to get out safely.
Tats? Yeah, is that Greed? What was that?
It felt like Greed. It felt like they would get both heroes at the same time.
They are still operating on the Moonlight Shadow though, to Carlos.
We'll get a D-Word here. Makoto thinking about the jump. He doesn't see enough heroes.
So he doesn't know if he's safe to do this.
Max, we're able to get the connection out onto the park. Arrow will be there as well. Starfall, dunk!
And that is what we want to see from this axe. Able to catch these elusive heroes.
The meantime, 9-class. Able to connect onto this hoodwink.
Activate the diabolic edict. Hit them with the pulse nova. And they end up bringing down the hoodwink.
Even though they already revealed the blink dagger, and they failed with the first initiation,
they just used that positioning to still find the right kills. Pretty well done.
Very deep wards as well, set up by 9-class, so this kind of a map placement is perfect for them to continue the aggression.
Yeah, we saw yesterday, of course, that for this PL to work, you do need the rest of the team just creating as much space as humanly possible.
The Titans are now about to pick up the eggs. He's queued up the Ghostseptor next.
I don't think he wants to wait for that before getting involved.
So I can imagine that the rest of ParryVision in this interim pre-arrival PL is farming.
They're gonna try and make things happen on the map.
He's 101 on Titan Hunter, but he's very involved when he comes to a hitting creep.
So he's top networked, 10k networked at this point.
Doing a pretty decent job.
There's now the blink from Slaughter.
So Aurora also has now a different tool to be able to initiate fights.
So they connect back together and smoke. Is Jikiro carrying one? No, but the hoodwing doesn't.
I expect the smoke. Flash, down bottom. Solo kill.
Yep. Easy focus fire, but that means now you know where the Wind Ranger is and where she isn't and she is not in the mid lane.
She's not there to help protect Kaori. She's all gonna have another dunk for the game.
Makoto does have the Dream Quill. WS has Blink Dagger, but Tyrant has Agonim's Vlad.
I don't know about this place, that's Google
He's probably a little bit too big to crack at the moment
But they want to continue hunting, why not?
Axe, no pull downs, super capable of catching one hero after another
They have a good idea of where Puck is
Nice blink, can he get away though?
Okay, yes
Good game sense there from Makoto
Or at least give an opportunity for Takara to play small wards
That was another problem they made that move. They didn't really have any great positive vision in this part of the map.
Axe going straight for a BKB after picking up his Blink Tiger. Not going to mess around with anything in regime.
This is like for PL, this kind of a game, pretty solid like as long as he's chilling, farming up.
Eventually he will have the butterfly agonims. I suspect after that maybe even a blood turn will be the build.
I'm just thinking about the carry-to-carry matchup later on, because we haven't really seen too many PLs in the past, especially when Windranger was meta.
But she never really dealt with illusion heroes all too well, like us.
He's not dealing with this approach too well? But he is alone very far, and again, a lot of Parry visioners doing as soon as somebody dies on the other side of the map, they're like, okay, that just gives us information, let's aggress elsewhere.
Someone, you can name them.
It's Jakiro and Lesh. These two heroes have been literally just the feeding stalk of both themes.
There's a reason. They're pretty slow. They don't have any built-in mobility and they're not buying it still.
Might actually join them in the fountain.
More stalk available for the side of Parry Vision and another armor stack going the way of the sacks.
He had a really good game on Huzink. 5-2, now 5-3.
Still pretty alright, but gotta be careful with these stacks on X.
They might actually try to set up a kill here onto the slaughter, but Lesh wasn't able to come through the trees in time.
Zatanic was heading over, wanted to try to get the blind split Earth. Didn't happen in the end.
He's buying Etox by the way, and he will have it in 40 gold after the scamp basically, so just some extra catch.
We don't have to use the axe or the ravage to set things up.
They want to use it right now. They need to go into the moonlight shadow.
Unfortunately for them, all the Aurora heroes are very far back, so...
Might just be Atomi?
Yeah, exactly. It's just Dormi. They have Gash, they have Axe, and a lot of them in between these four heroes.
Even PL will join.
Who's lucky day is it today?
Aida's gonna go the way of Dukala, so the upgraded leap, that's very good for the Murano.
Yeah, I mean, one extra charge.
I can imagine better shards out there. I would even argue that Lashrock's shard is probably a bit better
but
This is what they got Lash is one is better for the team. This one is just better for me. That's true. That's true
A bit harder to take her down
Also got a solo Chris mouse or some additional utility available. Not just a solar and a medallion as the neutral atom
This is a blast from the past. Solar and medallion.
I kind of missed that item.
Medallion? Yeah.
As a visage player, I got an E. I do miss it.
As a carry player, I miss iron talent, bro.
No, I don't miss iron talent.
That item single-handedly corrupted the scene by 30%.
All of a sudden people think it's League of Legends with a jungler role, let's do that.
Well it was, that item literally turned us into a wall.
No one scouting around the throw shot, not really in a position to take it down just
yet.
What's the next item on here, Octarin?
Octarin tights on Turr.
The Taniq has his Butterfly now and we're quite a ways away from having an MKB available on the Windranger.
She's got me all near at least, right? It isn't an MKB, but it does help.
It's a lot of damage as well.
A lot of procs as well that go on to the illusions.
It's not too bad, and they are smoking up.
I've not really been able to leverage this Blink Tiger.
You know, in a way, WS must be ecstatic that he bought the Midas,
because this long period of time where we hasn't really been fighting, I mean he's 001.
He's called... Oh my goodness, he's gonna blink away by WS and they get the shackles up,
axe and the Murana caught together.
They have the focus fire from Nightthrow directly on the triple S.
His life is forfeit, nobody can save him.
No one, China back off with his teammate, even popped the moonlight shadow,
Nightcluster won't be so lucky, ends up dead.
WS still finds the crush onto the Tidehunter with the corrosive Haze on him.
They have him in vision, he's inside the high cross, that's a damage.
He tried to turn this around, Ravage only could make onto one, Yul's thoughts from Mira.
So Kaori won't die, Makoto tries to go back in, but eats so much damage,
he needs to retreat immediately, does manage to get away just barely onto the high ground.
Okay, not too many casualties on both sides, Axe and Lesh on the other, just the Jekiro.
The way the Tidehunter moved in to block the Sharpshooter as well,
even though that's the one thing that can kill him. He just understands how tanky he is.
He blocks it less, of course, still dies in the end. This kind of a fight is won by sheer mechanical
skill, because in the end Aurora did win it. They baited out the ravage, they killed two heroes,
but mostly down to WS just blinking out immediately, and the shackles being way too good.
Well, they lose rush there.
Scenes that play. There's no more dreams, well, there's no macro pyre.
Fuck!
Fuck, let's see them here.
Knowing what's happening, but...
Oh, they scan even.
They're too far apart, they're too straight on the map, they're not gonna get you in time.
I think...
Yeah.
Maybe they just didn't expect it to happen, because when you look at these heroes on Paravision,
besides the Titehunter, no one is really that amazing at hitting rush.
Peel probably one of the worst carries of that.
That's why you need medallion there.
I mean, yeah, of course.
Medallion, SolarCrest, that's health.
Triple S now.
What's he got flying in on the courier, making an expression of the four crimsoners delivered?
Okay.
That's pretty good.
Probably.
Especially against Moonly, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Probably doesn't want to die the same way that he just did.
That was the first BKB reveal as well from Nightfall.
BKB and Axe was pretty much deleted.
Kauri and the boys are gonna just easily claim this tier one tower middle.
Solitary instance of the liquid fires all it takes, however at the same time, top tier
two gets taken by parry vision, leveraging the power of these Aegis to advance more on
the map.
They are smoking up only with two heroes, so they're showing top and at the same time
smoking bottom.
It's like a very standard play, but it might work.
Kauri is the first one that's going to be showing, Zatanic TP's back, Nero is the one that's in the jungle, gonna get Quorton killed?
Aurora is there like well, as long as it's not Nakoto in that position.
And probably that, they managed to bring the tower down to half HP. That feels definitely worth it for the life of the hood we get this stage.
After the tower they got some deep wards behind it as well for their next advance.
They're chasing the puck, who's got A on this by the way, so not really the easiest hero to catch or kill.
He's sticking around though.
Yeah, there's a lot of ATAS that's going to come in beautiful dodge on the axe call, triple S unable to catch him.
Would have been very dangerous for Makoto in that situation.
Trying to TP out and they're not going to clock it, he's gone.
Axe is one of those initiators that isn't necessarily always the best as the first initiation.
We like someone to cook things up for him, you know, show a target or two and then for him to jump in.
Because you can still kind of react to the call, you saw the slaughter in the river, now the pot as well.
There's a bit of time where you can react if you're on point.
Speaking of the one that dodged the earlier one, slaughter has a full agonim septina available.
Try to leverage it somewhere.
They know that they must be a tide, maybe in the triangle.
They know that Zatanic is sieging the tier 2 bottom, but Zatanic does have an Aegis, not an appetizing target.
He's got a fabulous Aegis.
They actually do commit wholly onto him, they bring it down very quickly.
Triple S did manage to at least find the call on the slot-off, a rough battle in the back.
There was a big arrow, but VKB activated by Naxx will allow him to dodge it.
Shuffle shot onto the PL, focus fire, and Nightfall able to bring down Zatanic.
The chase is still on though, WS.
Will he be able to find the angle for the crush?
Yes, he does.
Two heroes, Quartz, Axe, and the Murana.
But on the back end of the fight, no one pops the rabbit,
stuns everybody else, and they end up killing O'Khaori.
Nicolo now leads to looking for revenge onto 9th loss.
Will be able to find it.
No one wants WS, but WS finds the callers first.
Nightfall, he's the one that's in danger.
There's no more PKP available,
but there's also very few stuns.
Can he find the call?
He does, but he dies nonetheless.
He doesn't do enough damage.
There's gonna be the gush onto Nightfall.
No one desperately trying to chase after the swim ranger. Can you get there? You get not nightfall gets out
They get team wiped and Aurora show dominance of the tier two tower. That's a wipe and wipe
Plus one hero because they did take down the ages as well and they get the gem for their efforts
Just a beautiful fight. Honestly when I saw the PL dying and the ice pad and everything committed. I expected them to go back
I expected
For that to be it when it comes to this push
they decided to stick around. Why? Because the BKBs were used, right? The BKB on Windranger
got used and they thought maybe they had a fight, but jagged him so star dark. Just making him way
too tanky. He's able to just constantly go in and out. You were never really able to bring him low
enough to zone him out of this fight. We'll see if it remains the case that it makes him super tanky
as he's on the run right now. Ducales and Satanic, they want blood, they want revenge. WS doing his
Level best to get out of here, but even triple s gets involved in the frame throws out the paddle hunger
Chances out the blink bags. No way, dude. He's he actually gonna live here
It's running out the paddle hunger gonna finish. He's keeping he's gonna get out
so close I
Mean it's flowers are right like it's one of those most annoying heroes when it comes to
being elusive especially in the river
And of course we've been given two extra rivers down north and I mean we've been given lakes
I don't know what this is water bold already
One of the few times the PL was like man only I had a diffusel blade for the inhibit or something bro
Definitely would have helped
He isn't really buying it though. He's carrying up a scuddy and unexpected orchid most likely into
the water toward afterwards
His counterpart, Windranger, is about to finish off that MKB, also chilling with an unrelenting
eye.
Not a hero I want to tussle with, going to no one, shackle shot, misses, shop fewer
connect but he's inside the ghost scepters, very safe for now.
Mikoto feels the need to just drop a chain.
Homecourt but he gets caught by Triple S who dies directly on top of him and on this door
will save him.
Enable him to get out of this prickly situation, Zatanic on the far side was caught inside
the ice bath.
He cannot keep the pursuit going, might cost a life of cryo-ry.
But if it does, definitely hashtag worth.
Absolutely worth.
Like he completely cut this fight in half, sacrificed himself, sure, but well worth it.
And I love the meta of Aeondisc being purchased on mid this early on.
Like a lot of mid laners, if you think about the Queen of Fanes, we have been watching
like every single game more or less, we see a very early Aeondisc.
Same goes this time around for the puck.
All he has to do is make sure that he doesn't die during the call.
Even this enables him that way.
If you call, they'll get deployed onto Mira down bottom.
So he will die.
The two supports being down, this might open up the space for them to finish the job they started earlier on the tier 2,
but without an Aegis and without PL being a little bit stronger,
he probably would have to just push out the lane, not commit too hard.
Let's see, like he moved through the Twin Gate, he's connecting, that's already...
Oh my goodness!
Whoa!
Alright, he had a plan. I'm sure he had a plan.
Oh, here's the plan. If he's dying over there, that means his team can finish off the tier 2.
The noble sacrifice.
Lifehack?
Arrow misses, WS does not. He connects immediately onto Tukalus.
Tukalus able to jump away, acts in the meantime, trying to go onto Nightfall.
He dies for it in the end.
Run off the focus fire.
Makoto also gets the assassination onto Tukalus.
Dreamclaw on to Zatanic now. There's nobody around to help him out.
Big macro pyre with the icepaw. It shows that they killed a PL.
Tidehunter, can he TP out? Can he do anything here?
It does not seem like it. He's isolated all alone.
But now he gets to go join his friends in the fountain. Another team wipe for Aurora.
He had that ravage, but at this point it wouldn't do absolutely anything.
X, the moment the T is caught, I feel like the whole fight of Paravision just completely disappears.
They need that call. They need that call for too many targets though. They need it for the Windranger. They need it for the Puck.
It's hard to fight when he's not there. And I think that the crucial aspect of his item build, you have Blade now?
You have Crimson? You have Blink? You don't have a BKB? Without a BKB, it's kind of hard.
It's not only about the catch, it's about the damage too. They have a Yul Scepter and they have an Ice Bat.
Every time you use that call, one of those two is going to be used.
Even the Shackletrot has been emerging really quickly from Nightfall, preventing him from moving around as he desires.
And Zatanic, it's so sad for the PL, right? When you get to the stage of a fight, Carlos, you have a load, there's not much you can do.
Oh, I can real life, the Carlos gets eviscerated by WS, but that's just how it goes when you're fighting against a farm slaughter at a position 5.
She's very far in flight, wait, the Midas.
Midas paid off, bro.
paid off from paid off and is almost top network and what the hell is going on in
this dough that by the way the last two or three starters that I'm watching they're
like top network top XP I think sin than the Sun's Fan had one game where
Slardar was literally the highest level in the game this always used to be the
hero that you kind of get your blink you get your PKB and you're happy you know
that's it like this is a new breed that was the old man slaughter this is Gen Z
slaughter right now the Gen Z slaughter with the shard definitely the
shark helps right but he bought the Midas as well this is a gentleman
slaughter right here there's definitely money maxing on the slaughter just
picked up the nullifier as well good god that is so good no more ghost scepter
from the titancer to save him.
Mhmm.
Flash.
Oh.
409 slaughter, WS, having the easiest game of his life.
Hax and no one are going to try and at least catch Nightfall, Nightfall, Nightfall, Nightfall,
Nightfall.
Oh no.
As the smoke broke, they were standing in the wrong place on the titancer, so Nightfall
saw it immediately pops the windrun, so he's AOK.
Let's see the smoke on Koro though, the counter smoke, he's got Parasma, he's got Fukterin.
Yeah, and he's got WS with him as well, who's the truest ass in the real carry of this game.
Will he be able to find the stun? There's a dream quell on the 2, it's the Tidehunter and the Murana.
WS hasn't initiated yet, goes in right now, the eviscerate the Tide, Shardfuder comes in, connects the Tidehunter.
Connect the contact answer.
Contact answer.
Is he going to be able to get off the rampage?
He does.
It will be huge, but unfortunately not big enough.
Nightflow, one of the BKB focus fire, absolutely rips through these heroes.
Satanic did what he could, but now he realizes he shouldn't have been there at all.
They are collapsing onto him.
My back on the axe.
He wants to go back towards WS to counter this with the run of ATOS.
It shows that the Slaughter can't escape.
And Satanic is the one that ends the kill.
Double kill for the PL.
This overcold.
This over-commitment actually might cost them Roshan.
It's up, like they're super lucky with the respawn timer.
Although, it's 34.55.
Five seconds until Roshan moves houses, so...
I have to wait for him down on the bot lane.
Yeah.
I can not do it fast enough.
Dude, look how long this respawn timer is for the slaughter.
He's level 24, what?!
He's, yeah, pretty much the highest level on his team.
the puck is also level 24 about to hit 25 now with the shrine and of course actually you got the
350 waning grift radius next distance okay cool cool i mean versus uh versus pl it's kind of good
right like you get some more aoe should be able to always find the right pl easily
aurora still enjoy a 9k gold lead at the moment that is dead so for a small moment the matter
I have a miracle advantage in Mira, I get caught by IEEE
Okay, this could open up the roach, now that Ducales is here too with the medallion solo crest
It should probably open it up, right? Like there is no...
No Slardar, no supports, you know that Mira is there for way too long
They're not actually letting us go, Makoto is in the side here
And so is Kaori, Makoto goes in, it's a little bit of damage onto Ducales
But perhaps a preemptive macro pyre there
was not amazing
Well, they didn't have all the heroes they were they were here three against five initiating and going all in was definitely difficult
And it does manage to get these ages so quantum some degree of protection for the next fight
Crucially when like about 500 go away from the DKB for the axe
500 go the way but he needs to farm it he needs to get it and keep in mind
and he did use that buyback of this.
So he's a pretty big target now for Aurora.
What's Makoto saving up for?
He's got the fully upgraded Parasma, Haslock to read.
Does he want eggs?
Buy a house, so the amount of net worth.
It's a double siege right in the way of coming bottom,
and tandem with the liquid fire.
So there's a lot of damage that's here.
Tidehunter will see the end.
The pilot finds a lot of ATOS onto the Jikiro.
Do not connect the arrow into anybody, but Kauri will definitely die for this.
Not great in terms of the objective, but at least it does force parry vision all into one location.
Overall, this game is still extremely close.
X7K advantage. It doesn't really feel like a lot. This game is in anybody's hands. It's all about the initiation.
The hell did Nightloss find that she was from?
He was farming it for quite some time, like he killed it up, Puck.
Puck gets caught, arrow will be there, but they instantly aim to protect Makoto.
Makoto should be able to get out.
Wait, did I just see that Janker just doesn't work on Puck at all?
He phase-shifed, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He just phase-shifed and got away.
Just Puck things.
By the way, your question is answered.
He did go for the strength blink, overwhelming blink on the Puck.
Ah, this is crazy.
I guess in this downtime when the A1-Less is still on cooldown, it'll enable to actually get in.
Might be as fearful of just getting died in 100 to 0.
And it's also more ALE damage versus all the illusions, right?
Like, they're just making all these slight adjustments to the item builds that will or should enable them to deal with BL.
Spoke up from Aurora. They want to reveal that overwhelming blink.
They also want to show off this Aghanim Scepter that's been grabbed by the Jekiro.
You can see the AoE on that raining rift.
That was insane.
It's absolutely massive.
Smoke both of them unfortunately.
So Aurora, in the meantime they find themselves having their gold leads slightly be detracted from.
It's now 6 instead of 7.
One green solid teams.
Between the two of us.
We're sharing the brain cell.
Triple S.
and a death on to the PL. No one looking likely to join them within the grave.
Won't be able to run from all of this slow, from all of this damage. It's a double kill for 9-4.
And Aurora looking super solid.
Three heroes dead and three heroes without buyback.
Their objective taking perhaps is not the greatest, but this should be a hard ground push.
The way that PL is dying makes me think that he as well needs a VKB.
I know that this isn't like a PL item, it never was, it's a bad item, but the Chakiro is just posing too many difficulties, like the moment he dies the first time through the ages, the ice path is always there waiting for him, and he just cannot get away, there is no control for Nightfall, I know they picked this axe for that exact reason, but you cannot expect your axe to always be there on the Nightfall, no windranger, it's just way too slippery, way too fast.
And that positioning has been way too good throughout the game.
We can see why the specialist at the scene knows where to be at the right moments.
They take two lanes of Paris now.
Absolutely no shot at defending this from Paris vision.
For 24 seconds before they have the full complement available.
They also have AC now on WS.
That's guided.
AC already looking towards the future, not really staying in the past, curing up the
Octarin core for himself as well.
It's a pretty big deal, by the way.
The amount of damage that PL now dishes out is significantly reduced because of the AC.
But keep in mind another thing, with this Octarin core, it's hard for PL to just get
get away even once he gets the shard because you constantly have this AoE
Corrosion K is applied so eventually if he does get it, Slaughter will almost
certainly stun him once or twice.
What was just complicated the game for SSS?
Gonna get jumped, WS saying hey buddy, it's been a while since I've seen you, how you've been?
Miro's gonna be the one that gets the credit for the kill and he's also built an A on disc
so he was one of the people that was reliably dying to SSS, able to find him
in the backlines but now you'll just be wasting a jump if you try to engage upon him.
Harus, waiting in the wings, he needs to defend this. Small versus fire, there's no buyback
available for this Lash. Just AoE, we're waiting here, come on guys, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no. Somebody do something, this is a bit much.
He's having a good time. Jackiro, not having a good time right now, forced to go into his
Don't go after the survive!
Now that was collateral damage, like literally no one was aiming at him, it's just a couple of illusions, and he almost died to them.
I like the way they're playing around Slardar and considering how tanky he is, they can't afford to do so.
Just put him up front, if he uses Slytherin Crush, the moment he gets called, he's not dying.
It's way more than enough time for them to respond to it, even if he's on high ground.
No one. He's still in search of that Shiva's guard.
Even so, there's so many ways to just debilitate him.
The Sharpshooter mirror has been very on point with only focusing the Titanizer.
Doesn't have eyes for anyone else. Just get that break.
And if you get that break, there's more than enough damage to bring him down.
They have Shiva's already though, so they're going to have to.
Oh yeah, 9th class Shiva's, I forgot about that one.
Okay, double Shiva's, perhaps not the most optimal thing that you can have in your team, but...
let's see they need the armor for sure satanic is angling for a wind waker next
yeah well Hikmira on the high ground but pop comes through gets the silent
to Carlos they used to be a Marana they're not any longer short through the
connect directly onto the tight answer so WS is happy to block that damage triple S
found the cat on the backline they bring down the Lashrak as well satanic
trying to fight through this the triple S is BKB expired he's in a very dangerous
brought down by WS, Zatanic trying to chase down onto the slaughter.
Now though, he's so alone, caught with a bushwag from Mira,
Mikoto throwing in the right clicks is definitely going to chase him on the high ground.
Buyback from Axe, buyback from no one, they throw out the ravage and connect on to Mikoto,
but they don't have any follow up. They did manage to bring down Nightfall though.
That is the big deal that they earn from that buyback.
In the end, it still costs so much on their lineup.
Two core buybacks, multiple heroes dead.
And yeah, Nightfall does die, but what else do you get off of it on the map?
Let's see if they can get anything. I...
I doubt it, because just the Slardar and Puck, I feel like they have more than enough firepower to take these heroes down and out.
And PL has been facing a very big issue.
Like, one of the reasons maybe why he's dying Wind Waker.
The spells do not work on him anymore, right? Like, there's a level 25 Slardar.
You cannot dispel it to the Manta, you cannot dispel it with the doppelganger.
Wind Waker as well will not help, but at least you can get out of the drink well.
Right, so...
Let's see, it's an interesting adaptation of the PL materialian item that you see all too often.
Puck also did get the waiting with Talon, of course, the 25.
Yeah.
That's the AOE.
Smoke up from Parry vision.
You want to keep the action going right now, Makoto.
Could get Quartz here, he's playing a little bit cautiously,
Kalari is behind him, but they don't have interest in the Jikuro, they don't need a bigger target.
They're not gonna find anybody.
Gonna go fishing bro.
Absolutely.
I can't see inside the depth. Never been fishing.
Someone needs to stay that.
Yeah, you can pick up a lot of things but the fish you cannot.
Would be nice. Random hero getting some extra range.
Nirana, just absolutely deleted.
So she takes like a sec half a second
Solar Slardar by the way, no one else helped
8-1 in 16 on WS having a monster performance on the zero
Titanic really needs that windbreaker at some point
Still though there is at least one lane of barracks that's preventing them from getting megered
The problem though is that it's kind of difficult for them to get off the map. Oh
He caught a fish that's the
fishing rod that he has yeah yeah yeah he's selling he's a fishmonger that's a
fish market now
Russian there seems to be a market for ages and Aurora will go and collect pick
one up on this nightfall get a refresher on the slaughter
fresh cheese on slaughter and a banana good and they give the refresh chart to
To the fuck?
You die.
At this point, anyone can pick it up.
Realistically, it's good in all of them.
Probably the best to get a couple of these ring calls in fights of course.
The longest cooldown ulti that they've got.
The second discussion has been had amongst parry vision. They're swapping the itemization.
It's not going to be Wind Waker but he's going for the disperser instead, on the PL.
I mean, for an active it's good.
If you use it on someone on the other side, the diffusel does not work on PL anymore, so it's really not that great and you cannot dispel the corrosive haze either off of yourself, so let's see.
The stats are good, the item generally is nice on the PL, and you get some movement speeds from the trites.
The next item that you're replacing probably are the boots. He is not really buying the agonist blessing, it's not much gold.
Aurora, coming to end this game now, they have a significant amount of time with this
Aegis, got the Fanner.
This is just going to be annoyed somewhat by the agonim shot from Mindcloss with these
bliddles.
You still have to find the right angle, you're pushing Crag Ground.
You don't really, they don't have firebacks on Paravish, so Aurora with that info should
smoke up, should find an angle.
This looks like it should be their game with 30k advantage in these 5 backs you see.
Okay, best case scenario.
Let's say you ravage everybody at the time and get like cold on puck, winranger.
How many of the heroes died during that solvon?
I think the PL is actually missing also, serious damage right now.
If you can get everyone controlled, they do have the damage.
They possess it.
The thing is, that's if Jakiro is chilling, doing absolutely nothing.
If everyone just AFKs for a little bit, but they have Icepat, they have a Terrain Core
Jakiro as well.
Icepat is on like 8 seconds cooldown.
Not really easy to play against.
Jakiro, he's got the Makropire, there's a team call on the backline, no one goes into
the rabbit, but it affects no one because they all have BKBs, he's the one that dies
instead in the grave for two minutes without Byback, Zatanic putting some pressure on Makoto,
but Aion just easily gets him out. Miracle to Carlos is forced to fight back, and his baby
got a catch on Zatanic here. He's the one that dies instead. They keep Nightfall alive and
fairly healthy. Here's a Byback from Zatanic, hoping to try and re-engage into this fight.
They've taken down the tier three tower, they're looking towards the barracks,
they want these megas. They don't have a rabbit, Shrupolas needs to find the call of his life.
9th loss instead is the one that gets caught out by a bushwack
Assocated by 9th fall
Starzari's gone
Hello Zatanic
Use that moment to go catch up to WS and now triple S
He keeps the jikiro away from 9th fall
So he can kill the Windranger
Makoto coming back looking towards Zatanic
He cannot afford to die here, it's a dieback if he does
He decides to back off as 9th fall goes forward
Focused fire on triple S
We lose out on the axe
WS brought back, he wants to end the game here and now
They see 9th loss passing with the Sheevah's guard
He is dead, down for the count, no buyback available, so you have to defend 5 vs 2,
how on earth will Paris vision do it? The answer is that they will not.
GG1 play is called Aurora, secure game 1 on their path to qualification for the playoffs.
Just a beautiful game of Dota.
Right, like after all of these Queen of Pains and Alchemists and Loans Roids,
this is kind of refreshing, I have to admit, seeing these two teams duke it out
with a bit of a different style and a different clash of ideas.
This drafts from PairVision was literally for Protect 1.
Just make sure to put all the eggs in the PL basket and make sure the T can carry eventually.
But the answers on Aurora were a little bit too strong.
Yeah, too many. There's actually so many options for who the MVP could be from Aurora.
Slaada was owning, Makoto was owning, Nightfall had perfect atomization.
Thankfully, we don't have to do that work.
We're going to send it back to Lady Shiva and her squires to tell us who really carried this game.
It is such a good sign of a team if our commentary team can name every single player on the side of Aurora and can give us a reason why they should be MVP.
Aurora played great. As a team they played great, of course the individual skill was there as well, but I feel like this was really all points coming together.
Yeah. Aurora played very good Dota. I wanted to highlight a specific player in this game,
and what he does generally as well, is from Paravision.
Their first loss, by the way, in 17 games. The streak is over.
I wanted to highlight 9th class, the way he plays generally, where he goes off on these monkey kings,
Monkey Kings, Lishrax, heroes that just go alone and create a lot of space and impact,
which he did quite well this game too, but I feel like Aurora just ended up outplaying
them in teamfights.
The winner really popped off, was a very good solution to the PL.
We saw in two teamfights, he just gets focused fire, even with Aegis, he keeps going and
he dies.
Yeah, it was a really good showing, I think for more, just identifying when to stand there
for a team, the game, right?
Like the ages goes the way a fever and a war ago, you know what we're ready to take this
We're actually online to take the fight and you know, but think between
Even when you look towards the draw fight McConaugas 18 pick pop
He's gonna have a chance to respond to the pot instead of that
They go for the flex to put the time to mid to take the axis like you know what we want the win-ranging to have a bad game
But we didn't really see triple s step into the game and go we're killing that for every single time
multiple fights in these clip practices that we see where Axe is caught first or Axe doesn't get the key initiation onto the
Windranger of a time that he does eventually find
Sorry, Nightful already had the Satanic, alright?
So I think for P-Vision at least in a drafting sense
They put more trust in triple S to win through the off lane then for no one through to mid lane and eventually
kind of crumbling down because Satanic, even though he got his PL, but
But I'm still yet to have a read on the hero.
I feel like P-Vision winning the game before the PL has to do much.
This time around I could feel the PL just holding back the team a bit.
Like if it was any other carry, they probably would win this game without how much control
they had.
The way I see it is this Axe pick, they only wanted to protect Satanic.
They didn't deal with the puck, they didn't deal with the winner.
They basically picked this T1 mid and Axe off lane to deal with satanic, being under a lot of pressure from these two heroes, the winner and the puck.
They just wanted to protect him, pretty much, but the peel was not that good.
And Aurora, as much as we're critiquing P vision here, Aurora just played a very good game.
Like the stat lines you can give to any of the cores. 12-1-21 on the puck. You've got 14-2-17 on the win range.
You've got 9-2-22 on the Slardar. Like all three cores just played their game perfectly, right?
So you can't really critique them. Even Makoto, he went for the A on disc quite early on.
Like he understood like if I get caught off once, it could give an opening to my opponent.
So go for the A on disc. It helped him multiple times when he got jumped to disengage.
and that then gave him all the information to cut through and glow up here or so, or a stellar game from them.
A stellar game from them, we are going back to 9th class and his was Shrek, because he had a cool moment as well.
Yeah, so this is, we're going to see here in a moment, they find the puck as cool and all, but then we see 9th class doing his 9th class things.
He always sits deep somewhere on the enemy side of the map and finds these random support sometimes
Quorcules that are half HP from farming in the jungle, and this is one of his biggest strengths and why
Aurora decided to just ban all of his heroes and he still did it on Leshak
He had a great game despite of course not pulling through at the very end the other side also on his team
PL did not has as much of fun as much fun to jump because
he was a little bit focused.
Yeah, I feel like the P-Vision here,
you have the 4000 gold leads looking at the net worth,
they're looking pretty decent, they can act the last pick,
kind of falling off a little bit in net worth,
but his job was to jump the wind ranger ideally.
But here P-Vision, they make a critical mistake,
and this is 100% getting discussed in this post-game.
Like you have the advantage, you have the advantage,
but there was no positioning, you offer up your PL
to die twice in a row, they still take the engagement as 4
in the hope to clutch up without their PL,
But with hindsight in play, if this fight just went like 20% better for P vision, the PL didn't die instantly at the start, could kite back and use his Aegis correctly, this fight should have led to 6,000 gold lead, maybe 7,000, into next Aegis, 12,000, you're not getting deleted by Nightfall.
Nightfall, maybe Makoto isn't truly popping off, right? You're holding back the Slardar,
but this Blunder, or such a large Blunder, capped by the Aurora. They had great initiation
late. As much as when you look at these moments, you say, ah, I said Blunder by one team, Aurora
pounced on it so quickly that they then had authority and need a tie game after this.
So it's like major credit to Aurora, but for P-Vision, after like a 17-game win streak,
that type of mistake, I was surprised to see it.
Yeah. You had, well, sorry, go for it.
I just feel like they let the guard down. It just happens.
It does just happen, maybe it happens at the right moments for Previgin, the right moments
for Aurora as Tegav says, the pounce on it, very important, someone who does like the
pounce on opportunities like that is of course Nightfall, who we're going to look at in
the next.
So I want to highlight his item build, we talked about Aghanents in the beginning of
the game as...
I don't know, I'm a K-Fan, that's what we come to the conclusion, it's okay.
It's true.
He's a Nightfall fan.
He won it eventually.
Did he?
I feel like he ended the game with all the agonies.
Anyways, we'll see what happens.
The whole point of this is, I want you guys to, viewers watching,
agonies are not necessarily the best item as Nightfall has shown us clearly,
that sometimes you need to progress your item build in a way that doesn't stop you
from getting your next item faster and faster.
And that is one of the biggest problems on Winner and agonies on Winner.
Miki has a different idea of the hero, obviously.
I would definitely side with Nightfall though.
I was right, he did not have it at the end of the game.
He did not at all.
One thing I forgot about Nightfall is often he itemizes for himself to always punch into the game.
So talking about an item that plays more towards the team skirmish doesn't really make sense for him.
Because I think Miki can utilize it.
And Nightfall, when you look at his items, if you took away the player name and look at the build, you'd go,
It's probably like a nice looking build like he is like every I think he buys he's like I am the carry
Yes, so he is the carry. Yeah, so it very much is a scaling build compared to the
Liquid style at the order that can work sometimes and he was allowed to make a scaling build because of the puck having the game
But he had of course the slaughter WS popping up on the slaughter
That was overall first picked in this game one
We're gonna find out if he has such a high priority again game number two after the ring
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Hey everybody, we are here to test
the pro player's knowledge on the recent patches
with Satanic, a very knowledgeable man
when it comes to patches, right?
You do a lot of research?
Of course.
Yeah, someone doesn't just tell you
what heroes were nerfed or buffed and then you just play?
I don't just watch from my circles.
Oh, OK.
Yeah, absolutely.
A guy who just looks for his heroes.
I do the same thing.
Control F, Omni Knight, Scythe, and then anyway.
Let's move on.
We're going to have a quiz for you here today.
You have three minutes to answer as many as you can,
as many correct as you can.
OK.
Are you confident?
Yeah.
OK.
Let's see if anyone can beat Satanic.
Here we go.
Techie is now able to plant bombs mid-flight using blast off true or false. It's true. True. Boom.
Correct. You can kill Zeus by popping a blade mail in Nimbus. True or false?
Hmm. I think it's...
I think it's false.
To actually change it is now true. Nimbus is a unit that can damage him now.
Kess's Raptor Dance provides magic immunity. True or false?
It provides like overall like immunity so it's one of immunity so yeah
true I guess magic immunity I mean not only magic you know it is false
actually they removed it in the BPAP you can just damage that I'm not don't
quote me I don't make you lose a game do your own research alright Darcy your
Vacuum was once again modified this patch as it has been every patch forever true or false
True false sir. That's the first patch a long time. They didn't touch back in okay
All right
What is the active spell of metamorphic mandible called bug out arachnid assailant pupate or metamorphic?
What is it? I don't know is the neutral item that makes you small and yeah, it turns you into a bug
What's the name of it?
Second the second one. No, I'm afraid Iraq new to salient is not through his pupae
All right next which of the following heroes had no spell based at or ability changes in any of the patches Warlock clinks
Lyserak or Centaur I
Think this links links
Incorrect. Oh buddy. We have not been getting a is war. Okay. That's okay. We'll move on
We'll get one soon much like Warlock's black grimoire witch doctors gree-greed and all other neutral items have been removed
Along with the removal of talents true or false true
No, no, no sir
Nicely, it is balls and he still has greek re and winter wyvern has a ball
Yes
Which of the following neutral item enchantments are still in the game boundless vast wise or audacious?
I
Don't even fucking know how
Just guess brother wise, okay wise no wise is not in the game anymore. I don't pray
Relax, I'm sure we'll get one of them next
Which of the following spells does not have ten bullet points of change information?
A.K.A. which got changed the least?
Was it Dragon Knights, Elder Form, Finger of Death, Tinker's Turrent, or Divided Research?
I have ten bullet points, let's see.
Yeah?
On the update page, each one of these had ten bullet points.
Elder form, Dragon Knight, let it be.
Dragon Knight, I gotta say, not great.
Hey, you have fun.
Hey, I think we got one, right?
You know what? It was a good one that you got right, Satanic. Great job.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You can brush up on those notes, big guy. But no worries.
It doesn't matter about the patch notes, you know, you got to know it to win. Am I right?
Yeah, you're right.
All right, that's not cool.
I love the question.
All right, well, thank you so much, Satanic.
We'll see more from Satanic in Paravision here at PGL Valakia Season 8.
game. We're going to get
ready. We are getting ready
with Aurora and Paravision
Game number two Aurora is one
game up, and of course the
winner of this series will make
it through the playoffs. We've
got two streams going on at
the same time. And the stream
where you're watching right
now is the you know the last
two say like this year's in
the previous one is all about
who makes it to play us on
who's getting eliminated that's right we have two best of threes they're going
on with teams that are zero and two in the Swiss group stage and the first
series has just concluded so if you don't want your spoilers now's the time
to mute the series was Navi versus Yandex and it was a close one let me tell
you that much first of all it went the distance to the third game and it is
Yandex who's eliminated that's our defending champions they're gone
I'm it's crazy to think right you can go from winning a valahia to having a little break then you know coming last place
Also very scary time right ti invites potential in the horizon the qualifiers as well
The index they got two tournament wins in the year so far a couple second and third
So you'd like to think they're okay, but for Navi if they can create the miracle run
That's the things you're looking at right? That's how important the la here can be as we look towards to be fair
But the part of the year to be fair to yandex that you has just started
They really have great results, but they did lose to a Broodmuller.
They did, and they had a terrible lead, they had a better matchup too.
Now they're gone.
So, yeah, no more Watson Dota and the gang at the laggif.
Crazy.
It is crazy.
Another crazy one is, or is it, seeing first pick slider.
Slider once again.
A second pick this time around, seems like.
Yeah.
Yep.
Phoenix first pick.
Yeah, so overall.
Phoenix over Slaughter?
Yeah, that's going to be kind of an important one potentially.
If P-Vision win this game, I feel like this will be one of the points that we're going to have to bring up again.
Yeah, I feel like we saw yesterday Slaughter beat Phoenix twice.
Yep, and even if Team prioritized the Slaughter as well, I think it's sometimes in that draft.
But to me, I think I'd actually lean towards the Slaughter out of the two.
I know Phoenix historically, the fire spirit, the attack speed slow, the egg so that you don't die to the Slaughter,
But just the pacing sonar brings and also like if you see Phoenix and he falls into egg
I need to read that when just to run away, right?
So to me the difference is Phoenix is is not a game changer
Like saw that is feeling they just saw it saw that will change the game in the house
Your magic game changes it might be game changer
Well these magic times could be
Game changers also just a really normal word
Just overall. That is true. I just thought penning some of the guys. It's gonna. I have to say
Pre-vision band. Puck? Respect?
I mean, you have to.
Mikoto is one of the pucks.
We did not hype up Mikoto Puck enough in the previous draft, even on like an 18 pick.
Like, there are two players in the world, I might be missing one, Nisha and Mikoto.
If they get pucked on 18, you have to respect it.
So the fact that they put the axe to offlane for tight to mid and they did not respect the pup,
you've kind of already dug your own grave, potentially.
True. It's a dangerous hero if let alone...
Now we see another 9-class priority for Aurora and the Bans.
Same Bans, same player.
Actually, there is a Ducalus hero, the Enchanters.
It's just a lot of...
They don't like AirVision support.
No, but Nyclas has played the Edge in the 4-row as well.
He did go for the 4-4-0 build, no point till 4-3-0.
Yes, so a 9-class hero as well.
He kind of feels like there is just a lot of...
Basically, just look at his heroes and I'm like, yeah, just get him up.
Get him all out.
At some point it becomes a different spot for where it's like, you could only play these heroes, right?
I think that was kind of like the TI sentiment, right, when they got the third place.
And my class says, I don't care, I'm just gonna play Lishrak again, maybe.
Since it's a flex.
Maybe, probably.
Should.
Could be, could be.
You can see as well the lone-wit band from Peri.
Basically what Kiritish talked about.
He feed things that heroes in bar, other to do as well.
Nice wall just said give me win or it kind of makes sense right like into the slaughter just having the windrun
But it's now two heroes that you can make a case for be able to survive to start our initiations
And I even the hood wink right you got some evasion you can scurry throughout the tree land
So it's three heroes
That can just
complicate starters jump and I don't mind it
I think it's just a good respect towards slaughter and if you are to give slaughter away like I'm expecting this type of draft
Like you shouldn't be giving sawdust any entry to the game, which is clean. I want him to jump in
Go for the crush and rip off. I need one more
I don't allow him just a solo hero to blink shot BKB Phoenix is decent against other on the lane
Yeah, again, like you can dive on top of him. You can body-block him up with fire
And some of the fun things to do and it's double range now against a slot off
That's gonna help a lot in the in the lane as well. Just constantly clicking it down
Although the left track has been making a difference in his lanes, I feel like he pretty much single-handedly won the lane last game
for the Axe
True. I mean with Storm and Stun, you always have ways to follow up, like a Stun against a Crush,
Lash will get a Stun after, you can then, you're not playing on the E-Dict,
I'd be surprised if he's trying to E-Dict Phoenix in a win-win directly. You're gonna just run away from from the E-Dict and not camp, but
If you are. I can control him as well. Yeah, the Shackle. Just respect your positioning. That's the main thing for Aurora's safe lane.
never never step too too close and then they go for the chen and the kens
chen-kens combination still leaving it open on the last pick but what will
nine-class play? weird it's a Nash. I'm running out of heroes. he's running out of
heroes. they're banning all our heroes and they're picking. yeah I'd like to think
Aurora should stop banning now for nine-class like yeah I think so yeah
I'd like to think that the slaughter to me is the more important one between off lane to mid
And I think you need to take a read and whatever you pick here you protect. That's kind of like my
My assumption on the draft and then what do we have a fear?
Puck's gone. You don't really want to ember because of course slaughter is available for the mid lane
There's um, there's no one play kids. No, I don't it's a tonic. I would like to say I don't think it plays
No, but satanic is a big
obviously does yeah
That was a really bad joke for me, but it didn't land, it's okay.
Um, so yeah, so they still have the solid middle of Shindor.
I just, sorry.
That took me really long to recognize.
It's embarrassing.
For me, it's okay.
Timbersaw!
Timber is Aurora's solution to the case.
Is that a way to deal with the case?
What solutions are?
Timbersaw is Aurora's solution.
Aurora, I thought you said a horrible solution.
Damn, we got us coming out of your show right now.
Timber saw 0-3 so far here.
I mean, continuing to that, I don't think Timber saw this with Kiz.
And Leline, especially.
Yeah, I'm conflicted. I can see World with Timber is good, but I'm looking at, like,
Kaiosanj with Lotus, because there's one way to deal with Kiz, he was getting a dispel,
so he cannot utilize his buff against you.
So Lotus buying Offlaner or Core is quite nice.
You buy BKB, you front line, you have eventual armor stuff for Sheeva to deal with the Slardar,
the journey is a bit nuh.
Could we bring out the stats of Timber or so?
We just, yeah, 0-3.
0-3, exactly what I was expecting, actually.
I feel like this hero has been a bait hero.
He has been nerfed countless times.
His early game has been nerfed. His agonist has been nerfed.
His late game has been nerfed.
I feel like it is, people often are just generally getting baited by this hero.
I don't think he's a good laner.
and he provides very minimal impact mid to late game.
Outside of Immortal, which bracket do you think you respect the most in Dota 2?
I can use that as a metric to Timbers winrate.
There's no bracket.
Okay, just think about the viewership right now.
Top 200 players.
Okay, noted. So I'm going to go for Harold then.
Let's find Timbers second winrate.
Alright, Timbers 2.
Shooting Legends?
Yeah, so 42% winrate in Harold.
Legend.
I guess you could make an argument for divine players
Okay, I can see the one legend 42%
Then then divine kids look at the vine
Again, the vine and the lads out there. They have nine to fives. All right
Working people come and chill and they're still divine if they didn't have the nine to five
Immortal yes, they'd be pushing you down a leader boy
Also every single time timber saw has been played it has been paired up with a hoodwink. Yeah, and this is no different
And also, we obviously still have one.
Although to be fair, hoodwing and timber is not a recombination, because the tree hoodwing stuns on, gets destroyed by timber, so if he wants to do damage, effectively removing the stun.
Alright, take a step outside the box, hoodwing can also plant the tree for the timber to chase down and utilize the timber chain on.
Oh my god!
Good point, did not think about that.
He completely forgot about the Beast Pass in the previous draft, would have still been
in the pool by the way, if they wanted to get that instead of the X, but it is now banned.
But I thought he was still broken in a good way as in a strong way.
I think he still is.
He still is, yeah.
Like you are going for in a core role, especially from like Karrie to Med, you're still looking
at Agnoms.
Offlane, you're looking at him with Dom first to then go Agnoms, but yeah.
I feel like that's the role.
I feel like Offlane is the role.
I think it feels nice.
Mid is still good, carry, stalks have fallen off, or Beastmaster, but Mid and Offlane is where the hero shines, especially Offlane, with the home of Dominator build, since his Summons got buffed quite hard.
One good thing for Aurora, at least, is with the Windranger pick, I feel like Kes'n'Piel kind of want the same type of thing in the fight.
Or if you don't want to be fully targeted, you want to be able to get in and out, you decide when you fight, and Windranger does not allow you that chance.
that chance is like if I am focus firing you you need to kill me or fully leave this fight so I
think that's going to be quite a nice thing for nightfall that he knows his match up last big
queen of how do we miss that it's because they've been banning all these nine class heroes so many
other heroes make it through it is such a good queen of being him as well they barely have any
lockdown does it it's just a blink starter but so lesion to cop with lech going for the screen build
So, Crop go for the screen-build, is Leshrac able to play that?
I think Crop most likely go for the Shadow Dagger against Leshrac.
And the same argument for Sona to mid, you would just press Dagger and annoy him?
Yeah, I mean Sona to mid against Queen is practically unplayable.
But the Leshrac is playable, I think they just evenly trade the lightning storm with the daggers.
So, what I was alluding to here is I think Aurora is now forcing Sona and Leshrac to move towards the offlane duo.
and force someone to make a new kind of choice on the mid lane hero.
I don't think knowing no one he definitely will not play Saga against the Queen.
He enjoys winning his lanes and that's not the way.
Oh, but you said before that the invoker into QWAP, the invoker doesn't really win the lane,
but in the game with cold snap you can try and put pressure.
Yes, in the game you will force the Queen to go BKB, but the lane favors Queen of Pain.
Interesting because they picked it with no setup.
Again, I'm not a big fan of Invoker without setup. They do have a starter stun, but it's 1.1 seconds.
You did see 9 classes Leshrac stun. It's very wide.
It's very big.
It might be good.
Could find 3 heroes for a cataclysm.
But at least for Noblen, I think he has shown that when it isn't a good axe game because it has setup,
he is opting to have octarene, constant sheevas.
He was playing more for himself and items rather than going team, please get me the cataclysm.
And that might be a thing here, right? An EMP in this game against a Makoto Queen or a Timbersaw from WS.
You put their mana pools to low, it can disrupt them quite heavily, so that's maybe one thing to look at.
A Lacti, sorry, a Lacti against the Egg, could be a clutch moment if Kaori is having a good game.
I gotta say, I love the Invoker besides the Queen of Thames.
Like, against the rest four heroes, Invoker fits really, really good here.
I would love to see some early Wicks levels for the tornado this one.
I already mentioned that Paravision has lost their win streak, but...
The lose streak begins 450.
No, that's so negative.
No, I was going to go for a positive because they can still have a series win streak.
And they're now at 8.
They won 8 series in a row.
That's true.
They could make it 9 if they win the next two games.
You know, we're positive.
They was positive.
I would really like to see who's going to be the better CIS carry.
Is it SAP TANIC or NIGHTFUL?
The stakes are high right here.
This is where they decide the characters like oh, what about me man?
He set it up yeah, it's true. He did set up. I think people didn't have made pretty decent adjustments
That said I think Aurora MacCode when he gets like a queen of pain like this is a menace nightful
We've seen how comfortable he's in the Windranger. I think Aurora is back in their comfort looking to play well and for pVision
It's a lot of like individual components
They utilized it in the pre yesterday and the day before but that did not work out in game one against the world
This is gonna be an exciting game for sure. I feel like we're gonna we're gonna know notice something spectacular
Yeah, hopefully yeah game one kind of got a little bit. I'll be honest ended a bit boring
I'll be real this game though has the makings of a much better game so much potential
Okay, let's see if this game to can live up to its potential. Let's head over to country duo upstairs lizard
The stakes are extremely high, it's a spot in the playoffs, but more importantly, it's
the confidence of knowing that you are the best carry in the Eastern European region.
Caz vs Windranger, this is a very interesting matchup to me, Liz, because on the one side,
obviously, Windranger and Nightfall have been playing amazingly on the hero, right?
But not with the Caz, you've got that showtowshy parry, you can actually send back a lot of
that focus fire damage back towards Nightfall himself.
There's a lot of cool interactions in this game on both sides.
A lot of interactions in the old chat already, nightfall trawling, no one a little bit, as he's not playing Tide anymore.
You can play a normal hero now on the middle, and you can have some fun, so we'll see.
We will see if he will be able to have some fun. The matchup itself is not really that simple for him.
I know the panel wasn't really impressed with the Timbersaw, like when you look at the Timbersaw lane as well versus Kaz,
It's not really the easiest one, but QWS is an incredible Timber saw player.
Like it's one of his sick heroes, so we'll see how he does this time around.
Timber has been nerfed, he needs to be set, of course.
Completely agree with that part, but maybe he's a specialist player that can make his work.
Well, talk to me about another incredible hero here.
We've got the Slotter for SSS.
This is one of these heroes, of course, at this tournament, arguably the hero of the tournament.
How do they deal with them on the side of Aurora? Will they be able to curtail his progress in the laning phase?
The lane itself is what Slardar and Lesh vs Phoenix and Windranger.
I feel like it's definitely playable for Phoenix and Windranger.
Perhaps they're not a lot stronger, but you have minus attack speed with the Fire Spirits.
You have double ranged vs Slardar. This lane itself should not be the hardest one.
You saw something similar in the last game vs Axe.
The difference maker of course is 9 class Lash, he's been doing a ton of work on his position 4.
See what he can accomplish here, mid lane, you have Makoto vs nobody.
You saw what he did there right? He soaked a lot of the damage from the Sun Strike, so they get the 9, nicely done.
You can't get those cheap ranged peep kills anymore, I know what you're doing.
my fault put some damage out onto 9 claws but for now content to just get
some of his CS going for himself this game we've obviously been seeing mostly
the meteor hammer build at this tournament on the invoker is that gonna
change hold on he should be good yep he had another fairy fire Phoenix although
So at the same time, a lot of region on him, his resources are looking a little bit healthier.
When it comes to the meteor hammer, I think we will stick to it, I think we will see
another meteor hammer.
It's what, might as well meteor hammer.
We usually have a lot of other options and meteor hammer to me on Invoker looks what
shard looks like on Slardar.
It's like a better way of farming, but also staying active on the map.
So I think it's a better Midas at the moment.
And with the Midas, we're not getting levels anymore anyway, so perhaps it's not as good.
But Leeds, on strike?
On strike, is it gonna kill Mira?
No, but the right click's from Ducal as well.
Trotter?
Trotter?
To the Resalids, being able to create the opportunities to get the vision, to get the kill.
Yeah, very good thoughts.
WS couldn't even punish on the wave to force the case away, so nicely done.
We've seen this, right, from per vision. They have played in Walker, they've played it with, I believe, something like a tight hunter,
but they've also played it in games where they don't have any massive setup for cataclysm, worthwhile in both times,
so we'll see what no one can accomplish so far, so good, one assist.
If I remember, this is actually a very similar draft to the one they ran yesterday, right?
Yesterday, they came against Rorik, they had Slaughter, Leshrac, Khez, Invoker.
The only difference is, Murana has been swapped out for the Chen, and they dominated that
game.
Well, they certainly do know how to make this work.
In that game, they did crush the Leaning phase first.
So if Rorik can at least hold them to an even stage, perhaps they won't be able to run away
with the game again.
Now the laning stage more or less was the same right in Walker wasn't really doing all too well in the mid lane
But he was recovering because of all of the Sun strikes
Well in this game right now Aurora is the one that's winning on both lanes like the CS and quite favorable for them
the
disadvantage of having could wink and Timbersaw is that in conjunction like together they don't synergize all too well
But if you're playing the lane on your own which would make a little bit on the sidelines like you can still trade out very nicely
With a lot of heroes
So far so good for Timber. He doesn't really mind being left alone a little bit
You're not really concerned if you're playing to most of you know
Chen cares being the ones to kill you as long as you have a point into a simple change you should be fine
Oh, man, you know what like I I've said the same thing many times playing into Kaz and then he solos me
Like, he doesn't even need the support. This hero is a little bit, a little bit dumb
when it comes to the damage it deals in the laning stage, even after the patch.
Right now, Nightfall.
Thinking Nightfall is difficult for SSS, Khaori has been constantly pulling these waves,
he's not been able to find the CS that he's been looking for,
and they're ensuring that the waves always meet closer to the towers,
so SSS can't take the risk of approaching that far forward.
Bit of a different build as well on Lash by the way, Enka is starting with Edict early
on.
Don't split third.
That's one thing, one stun less to set up the Sunstrike.
Well, thankfully for him, now no one has actually caught up a little bit in the CS department
against Makoto.
So you might not need the catch up potential from the Sunstrike kills
Is there even any aggressive potential between the Slardar and Lash anymore on top?
Let's see you dig this there. Just going out right now
Maybe you could go towards Kaori, Power Shard will miss on nightfall
Kaori actually dies forward for this, gets crushed for his efforts on the way out
He would have actually been Sunstrike by the invoker
But triple S will take the advantage to get the gold to make up for the lack of CS. Let him cook
Kaori, this time he made a mistake, but he is one of those guys that just plays Phoenix
anytime he can get his hands on the heroes, so I feel like that dive was never going to
work by the way, like he didn't even have the damage with the blunt grenade, but okay,
mid lane.
Mira is here, was trying to get the roundabout until no one, unfortunately, Dukalis came
through from the south side, they corral around Mira, they kill him off, and that was a good
move because after the T, after they respawned Kaori, they really want to take the kill,
to make something happen with him. Kauri dies for it, then he murals it, there's no more
co-snap. Unfortunately, Nynclas will follow him here. There's going to be a blood grenade
thrown out onto the Queen of Pain. Diabolic units expanded by the Lash Rack. Queen of
Pain burning lower and lower, she subtracts a Sun Strike. Beautiful. And that's going to
be a kill onto her. Sonic Wave, at least a lot of her to bring to Carlos with her,
but in focus, making sure to punish first. The aggressive move, Nynclas might also get
himself punished. Moving into the river on very low HP, enables Mira to just bring him down.
Just a beautiful laning stage from a television so far, sure you'll lose a couple of supports but I think this is super worth it for Dean Walker killing off the team of pain as well, forcing out the sonic wave. Overall it's a W for them.
U.S. All in his lonesome right now, just trying to pick up some CS.
Bukalis has returned to the lane but has better things to do than to waste time harassing a Timber Sword at this stage.
If they can leave Caz, you know, what we want scenario, that's probably already good, but let's see if they can.
He doesn't have level 6.
Lopram is now available. Level 6 is there for this Timber Sword.
That's right, we'll not connect. WS. We go to get away from it.
Despite the penance in slow, it's not enough.
This is the power of Timber, right? Like in a lane like this one, where there isn't really a lot of spell damage, so Reactive Armor has super high value.
Timber's chain, you can get it, you don't have to. 3-0-2. Meanwhile, what's his mira doing?
He's literally just stacking, right? Like he makes some rotations mid, maybe secures the rune, but most importantly, makes a lot of stacks.
Nightfall about to find a kill here on tonight's loss.
Our shot will miss again, but fortunately the bushwack doesn't.
Nightfall still connect with the kill,
leading him on his path to his maelstrom.
Speaking of the maelstrom, what's going to be the initial item for all the kids?
I see him having him cued up the mael slayer here.
It's a mael slayer.
It's a good item on him.
It's a good item on any core, I suppose at this point.
And in this game as well, like you're playing with Scrogg versus Timberstar, it's really not bad.
I think he can go for this because of the Slaughter.
Alright, Kauri gonna be forced to dodge.
He is still under the auspices, not the corrosive Haze, so he's definitely gonna die.
Nightfall, getting pushed back by the deathling buff, but here comes Makoto!
Slaughter, wave, one two, triple S. Slaughter goes down, and no one is zoned away.
He's completely out of mana, so he can do nothing.
After he's been bushwacked, focus fired, screamed into the double kill for Makoto.
The local for Makoto, this is natural for him.
Maybe it's not so natural for the Wind Ranger, your position won't be there, right?
But Nightful has been doing this and this is one of the things that I noticed from him.
He's very active.
Like in the last patch he's been winning tournaments by this kind of a place now.
Keep in mind that they did lose the timber.
At the same time they lost him on the bot lane.
He got killed by Kaz and Lash, but overall still a good trade.
See what was down bottom, Diabolic Edict connected onto WS.
Yeah, he's got it.
You were just mentioning it earlier, right? The lack of magic damage down bottom.
Leshrac very quickly conflicts that. He's put three points into the Diabolic Edict.
Much better, much better hero to lane against the Timbersaw or rotate onto the Timbersaw at least.
I thought they did lose some heroes.
This triple S has finding a little bit of farm up on top but he's being massively eclipsed
by Nightfall.
Nightfall though has a rotation coming towards him.
Zatanic is here.
They want to try and utilize the Kers' power.
Would he be able to get and kill the Phoenix?
No.
At the same time look at Nightfall.
He's surrounded by Tukalis and triple S.
Don't even need the Kers for that one.
Kaori forced into utilizing the supernova.
That's just going to be an escape tool.
Yep, he uses the egg very defensively, unfortunately the defense was only for himself, not for Nightfall as well.
You either make this aggressive move or it's made on you. This time around for Nightfall, like he moved mid, he thought that he could stick around on top, but it was a little bit too long of a safe lane play.
Yes, almost got the crush onto Kauri, but this observable ward wanted by Kauri himself actually protected him
He's okay. Chillin
He's got Dezo by the way queued up. I was wondering as well like when you asked me about the base layer
I was wondering if he'll go for
If he'll even go for the desolate or maybe make stairs straight to tracks
or something like that because
Mid lane, Kodo? Okay, links out? Should be fine.
Because he's got Slaughter on his side, right?
And sometimes perhaps you don't need to
Dazzle with up when you have Corosiges already.
It's going to be a lot of damage between these two.
Yeah, it's definitely great for this more combat-orientated build.
Not going to be spending too much time in the jungle.
How are we even just for him now, right?
Will him to make the early Twin Gator rotation.
I think it's maybe responding to what you said earlier about how Nightful plays.
They're going to be a meteor hammer thrown down, Makoto blinks away, but the Sun Strike won't connect.
In the meantime, Don Barton, Satanic forced into using the Raptor Don, he's still being burned by the Sun Raid.
Chakram barely misses, he gets beyond the rain, Blood Grenade connect on top of him, and WS is there.
Chen supplied the all-heel, Satanic doing his best to parry some of these attacks.
He needs Triple S to catch up, at least needs a cold snap. The cold snap barely connects onto WS.
It is going to be enough to save the life of the kids, kill off their Timbersaw,
and parry vision what a response to the aggression donbop
that was just a beautiful response
they get the hoodlink as well but this beautiful response was enabled by just
longevity of cats right for kids just able to stay alive for the longest time
Sunstrike, Kaori
might be some dangers here at least fine
out of mana on no one so he can't continue the chase
it's just cats being a menace to deal with
He's got the mage slayer now as well, it's nice stats as well, a bit survivability of course on him too.
If you don't kill him immediately, I feel like this hero just fates you deeper and deeper.
WS, more return to face his ult, though, seeing how low the tower is.
At some point they want to just keep opening the space on the map up, not allowing KS to have too much freedom.
The scary thing about the Dessau as well, I think once you get the Dessau you can make the decision right either we smoke and kill somebody or we just immediately just try to go Rosh, sneak it in behind them.
Any objective really, right? Like Torment or Rosh, everything is going to fall with the Grows of Haze plus Dessau in a matter of seconds.
And same heroes are being played, but titanization is a bit different. So Slardar this time around, no mites being purchased by him, Mikoto as well.
Like we see a lot of Queen of Pain, and I feel like most Queen of Pain players have a move towards this veil first Titan,
it's going Kaia, you'll see if he goes into an Aghanim's pretty soon, most likely he will be doing exactly that.
Do have a young DC from the Invoker, just making sure everything is going to be all okay on that side.
Almost do have the Splink Dagger from the slaughter.
It's actually a pretty decent power spike, blink daggers would be up on slaughter at
the same time as Leshrac has a lot of ATOS, so even though the initial stun from slaughter
is not that long, as long as Leshrac is in the vicinity, you can always follow up, perhaps
set up for the Sun Strike kill as well.
It's a lot of stuns, right, like in the roots, you will have the stun, ATOS splittered, perhaps
the cataclysm is a good item choice, I mean it definitely is for Invoker in almost any
game but sometimes it doesn't really feel that great without the setup.
No one has returned into the fray, the Gs have been called.
Now let's resume proceedings.
Platform has his maelstrom starting to farm towards having the mjolnir, so he's going to be dipping into the jungle right now.
Doesn't really want to put himself in dangerous positions. No real reason for him to engage fights right now.
Die as bottom tower, it's on the tower.
Things have slowed down somewhat from the madness that was going on earlier.
Kodo is pushing up top with Kaori and no response from Parivision. They have zero interest in trying to defend this.
I feel like this
probably benefits them, right? Just
no fights happening across the map because you do want to blink on Sardar.
Your Chen is just another core eventually when it comes to the amount of farm that he can get on the map
So
They do smoke up though. Do they have a blink of they still don't have the blink, okay? All right
He's so close to it though
Do you scan? Find who doing what is the way you're going through the twin gate?
You're observable. We'll scout at McCall because you can't area now. They found mirror satanic
Will you be able to kill him? Sunstrike will miss
She's still good, still good.
Unfortunately for Aurora, these kind of deaths on supports sometimes unlock a certain thing on the map that they can do, go for an objective, maybe take some stacks.
currently nothing really is they're not benefiting from it in any significant way
no vision was set up on the map tier one towers are still standing strong
mid and bot
Kiz is still farming this exact area
yeah they can't they try that one rotation that one rotation when they
died while diving him that was supposed to be we killed the carry and we take the
two on tower. Lovely. Easy out. Chillin. Chillin. Chillin. Chillin. It's all good man. Yeah,
forced a very fire but yeah, absolutely. Wasn't worried for a second. Just nine class
things. He's also opened up the space now that they know Queen of Pain and the Phoenix
are top. Obviously means no one's available to respond bottom. By the way, did you know
This forager skit that a lot of heroes right now are rocking in the game as well, if you see them next to a tree, I learned this last night.
If you see them next to a tree, I was chasing a hero and he was foraging for a nut and I was closer to the tree than he was and I got his nut.
Oh wait, what?
What?
Okay, cool.
Seems legit to me.
Down-bottom, Zatanic, getting away from WS here. Should be AOK. Oh, real concern for him. Oh wait,
maybe not! The Kaori's here as well. What the sun ray? I mean, this is not enough.
Just gonna go back in. He threw out the Echo Slash Kaori. Be careful here. Might actually take out...
83 HP, but it's cool.
Yeah, those are mightful behind us. We're gonna do something and we're gonna go
Shackle shot out onto 9th class. That was so cool that a Horde Wink put the acorn shot down for the tree for the Shackle.
Make it super easy.
Now they're just going for the tree, Timber Soul, into the fray.
They want the Shackle, only connect on to the chin.
A beautiful Deathlink blast, Meteor combo demolishes the Horde Wink.
And they force out a supernova within the river, far from any Paravision heroes.
Now that Kiz has made his presence known with the Desolator, I don't think Aurora has any appetite for further conflict.
Oh, absolutely not, their teamfight is more or less done with this egg being used.
We've discussed the cataclysm and the lack of control on their side.
When it comes to the egg, usually whenever you're playing with a serial, you want some
AWP stuns, some AWP control.
They have basically nothing.
Bushwack and Shackleshot, it's something, but it ain't it.
Well, then time to queue up that light near for the hoodwink, nothing else you can do.
He's queuing up the ATOS, you already, yeah, you already has it queued up.
On the other side, Invoker already bought his.
This is for the ATOS.
Well, ATOS is being used on said hoodwink by the Leshrac this time around.
Although the bounce back from the shop shooter pushes him far enough back that he's okay.
Otherwise, it was the kids that was hoping for a nice easy kill.
But this might give them the opportunity to go road, and indeed it does.
We're slated to the ocean trip, closer phase, that's a later, get me.
Forged spirits on top.
And that would be as well.
And it ends.
The list goes on man, like this draft of theirs, it's really quick if they can rush.
9th class, well 9th class Vings, sacrificing himself to keep the enemy team at bay.
They're not even gonna bother pretending they're gonna come save them, instead they're gonna look towards Kaoriwuth,
I think in and out.
I wasn't able to catch him though, as he does manage to escape, Zatanic pops the Ravensvale, he's also out.
It's kind of interesting, it's actually Timbersaw that queues up the Atox of his own.
By the way, they're making this item look broken, because everyone is buying it, right?
But Atox truly is not a broken item, you just need more control, you need to draft more control.
That's it. If people could buy cheaper hexes, they would do that instead.
Exactly, but...
Check this out on bottom, Calry, sitting in behind Queen of Pain here.
This could be a very dangerous place to be, ATAS, there we go, Sunstrike coming through
as well.
Woo!
Very, very, very dead on the Queen of Pain.
The Ravenswell actually connected on Phoenix as well, he's marked.
He's marked, they see the vision, grappling claw forward, that's the last follow-up.
And you know there used to be a Phoenix there?
Yep, the clock as well as the Phoenix.
This is looking, I mean, look at the network, it's only 1k, but to me this doesn't feel
like a game that has no difference in network, it feels like the items that are being, and
you can see the improbability as well, the items that are being used on one side feel
so much more impactful than the ones that are on Aurora, like just the Dezos, the corrosive
phase everything kind of works together real talk though man I don't think
anybody should allow slaughter to go through anymore because think about it
didn't even have that great of a lane right he spent most of it being zoned
out not really meaning to be able to participate
he looks broken because there are no stuns
both sides so he's looking really strong
vision picked up on Makoto 9 classes on top of him and there's Zed slaughter getting the
Bash out with the crush on Mikoto, Lepinate follows him through 9th class.
Mikoto, he can't juke this, one more crush is all they need to kill him.
Oh he misses the crush! Oh no, he took the kill!
Will end up losing his life for this one. Got upplayed in the end by Mikoto.
Biped another double kill on this peanut pain.
That's right! Just like you!
Yeah, sneaky, sneaky play from no one.
He did dodge the sharpshooter by the way on Sardar and the idea was nice hide behind three, jump on the Queen of Pain afterwards but of course didn't work out in the end.
One hero that I didn't expect to go through is the Queen of Pain who does have the Agony Scepter so maybe the win probability will shift a little bit now that the axe is there.
there.
Alright, now that you just mentioned Queen of Pain, I realize we're back in our purgatory
room.
We are.
We're on Druid Alchemist, Queen of Pain.
We had one game.
That was it.
One game without these heroes.
On bottom they did manage to take the Tormenter.
So the shot did go towards 9 class.
We do have extended split earth.
Pretty good shot.
We saw some of the impact of it in the previous game.
Absolutely.
This kind of game where you can actually make sure that the target gets hit twice by it.
Because you have two ATOS up to, I think two ATOS, right?
One on the walker, one on Lush.
Two rods, they're not setters.
Are they rods of ATOS or rods of ATI?
Think about it for a while, if Nightfall is going to be contemplating his life's races
as he's about to get sent to the Boston, but no beautiful windrun, there's a lot of ATOS
with connect, Sunslide brings him down.
Mikoto did his best with the Sonic waves to push the attackers back.
But all he can do is kill Jukala after he's lost his carry.
Now Nightfall, making his way towards the fight,
they find WS interrupts his Chimber Chain away.
A lot of ATOS will be there,
Rapsidon from Satanic, can he get off the Rapsidon?
Look at the damage go from this kid!
WS will not survive this Norwool Kaori.
Mira at the very least able to scurry his way through the trees.
No, I say that, but triple Lass is there with the Slytherin Crush.
With the Slytherin Crush, he has the vision, here comes Kez yet again, one more swipe is all he needs, and it's a triple kill for Satanic.
This is the real bad bird in the game, Harry Vision starting to pop off.
Queen of Pain, the only man left standing, gets away, but they're just playing too fast.
The combination of the Stardar and the Kez is dealing way too much damage.
unfortunately maybe they could have thought if they had the egg and it was
coming off cooldown but he died literally the last tick kills him before he
has it like one second cooldown and the last tick of the cast damage finishes
involved so they didn't have the egg they couldn't really set the Steve fight
but they were two separated when you look at the way that they were fighting
it's like they were going a little bit too deep in the radiant jungle
Oh, ends up being a very successful fight for parry vision, doesn't cost him ages, gets some big core kills, and most importantly some of these desolator stacks, starting to become a problem.
Back in the real game Nightfall has been found again, Rod of Atox is connected on top of him, he does not have the escape key, Slaughter's on the way, so is the Chen, you just need to make sure that you keep vision, and there's the Slaughter.
Corrosive Haze is up, Windrun is officially expired, and so is Nightfall's life, take it away, bye for bless.
Battles are too back to back that's on our boy on the Windranger.
He did get a kill by the way while we were watching the replay he did get a kill on the Lash.
So that's something like he didn't really die for nothing but it's not great.
Another death like these deaths are starting to hurt.
WS might also be suffering another death.
He temporarily changed towards this creep camp will be a fatal mistake.
He just gonna kill on your carry top lane and now here he is in your triangle killing you, and then he's in your mid lane, participating and bringing down a support.
Yeah, Agon is already being there. He doesn't even need a BKB to join all of these fights because why there isn't enough reliable control on Aurora to take down the Kess.
And he will be able to use his ulti, he will be able to grapple away. They have some burst damage, but they don't really have enough.
have enough and I feel like for them to kill Kaz they need wind ranger the
shackles need to latch and you need to have your ulti on
Ravoga will show up top with his crew might stop pressuring the tower with the
meteor hammer of course they'll have to die while he gets back this is just some
poke they're not really too serious about this does draw some responses from Aurora
fortunately there's a ghost walk he's still inside the range of the century
but they see him first, Mira does eventually throw out the bushwack but it's far too late.
9-close, kills him over the lightning storm.
Usually if you get caught like that and you're a hoodwink, you use your ulti to get away,
you know to get a little bit of distance, but you cannot because there's a meatball, right?
So you're just going to push yourself further into the damage.
It's, yeah. Once again, a very difficult game for Aurora.
It looked like they were climbing back into it with the agonism Queen of Pain, but
Let's see they have a BKB on her now
BKB on Queen of Pain
Was off almost Hurricane Pike for this Windranger, but check this out
You know asking about the build on the Queen of Pain with the Vale looks like the Vale is going towards 9 class
So he's gonna be the one ramping up this damage. He's been doing quite a lot of it in these invites
Yeah, let's see. It's a cool item for Lash of course, Vale is amazing on anyone that deals a lot of spell damage.
Just wondering if he will try to convert it into the Bloodstone at all, cause it is pretty expensive.
It's pretty pricey to complete.
But so is Shiva's and he did it last.
He didn't.
There's the Hurricane Pipe for Windranger. She's still lacking a BKB for quite some time.
But on the other side, Kez, is that his full BKB for Satanic? I think it is flying in on the plurio. Yeah, he's got it.
So now they're gonna play aggressively.
TP down. My full. I need to run, my friend.
He dipped just in time. Slaughter was thinking about making the chase, but now the windrun is over.
They could still rush forward. He's surprisingly isolated from the rest of his team.
But Paravision does not know that, so they're not gonna take the risk.
Maybe they will with Ghostwalk up front.
Keep in mind that Thinwalker has a BKB as well to work with, so he can kind of poke his head a little bit if you try to initiate on him.
He can BKB before anything.
to run. Slotter ran up the hill, blinked out of danger before the Queen of Pains fault could affect him.
Is there anything that this hero does not do? Like, Kaz is just an insane position one right now.
And we've seen from RCY on mid lane as well, how much he can do.
Bottom? We got a shackle slot onto no one. We need vision. Duff will be provided by WS.
No one. Nice tornado back. It doesn't have enough of his team to help him. The Deathlink Bloss was equally as good.
Okay.
We'll be isolated and killed off.
I'll catch him a little bit out of position.
Maybe they don't have what it takes to take down Kez, but the walker definitely not in
the same camp of survivability when it comes to the heroes on Paravision.
Especially with his BKB on cooldown.
There's a double damage though.
Kez has it.
Oh my god.
Okay.
If anybody sees this on Aurora, just run away.
Don't bother fighting this.
Try to wait it out.
Dude, this C1 tower bottom is still alive.
You only finish it off now, 28 minutes into the game.
I think tier one mid as well.
It's not only the bot tier one tower, it paints the story of the game for Aurora.
They truly could not have any map control so far.
My class is forming in the jungle.
Looks like he is indeed going to go straight for the Bloodstone.
That's just great for Rosh.
It's guaranteed to respond within 10 seconds.
Corrosive Haze DD.
Desolator with 14 stacks.
I think the DD probably finishes like just a second before Rorsch comes back, yeah.
Well, it's at least that. Bottom, Mira, getting stalked by no one.
He didn't see him.
He didn't see him though. It's nighttime. Didn't get the bonus vision.
Will he stop running forward? Goes the wrong direction.
He actually had him dead to rights if he just waited like a half a second
so he can close 100 units a little bit enough.
Let's see though. Straight into the pit.
I feel like they even want Rorsch to roar at this point
Because they're trying to force a fight, our aura are just dodging them constantly.
They've got us though, there's an observable order on the top lane that started out with the Timber and the Queen of Pain, so they knew for a fact that they had the time to do this.
They forgot the banner, but they don't have time for the banner, it seems like, okay, Chen will go back.
Oh, will he? Yeah, he will.
I mean, that rush just fell so quickly.
Kaori might fall quickly as well, the shrine is taken away, grappling tall going forward, Kaori.
Whoo!
Able to get the dive away.
Living for now.
How Slaughter was chasing?
Look at that, they got another piece of vision on the Timber Soul.
They saw him as he was going into the camp, so they have a decent idea of where to go to hunt him.
But they have lost vision now.
I don't want to dive that deep.
Oh no, Rora.
I feel like at this point you just want to stabilize.
You want to get as many items as possible on your course before the next fight.
Nine class.
Of course the most important... Oh, he blinked. Very close though.
A lot of ATO's back onto me, right?
Does have his homies behind them. They go onto this hoodway.
Watch that, they can't blow up just yet. Instead, it's been a pain to jump them.
Looking to try and take down nine class on the wave. Doesn't achieve it just yet.
But with the power shot and an additional scream, they make it happen.
They need to get away though.
Right now, this is every single fight.
Nine class dies, and then they get punished.
They need to find a way to disengage. So far so good for Aurora.
BKB, I believe, yeah, it is done on the Timber Saw too,
so you have another hero that can maybe start things off.
So far, it has always been Mikoto, right?
Like, it's this Queen of Pain, everything is on her.
Yeah.
We have to do the damage, have to blink in and bait everything.
Oh, yeah.
Well, probably end up dead here.
I'll try as best to waste time, but fortunately for you,
Satanic is there with the echo slash very easy kill
But that's an MKB in
What 400 gold on Kaz?
Windranger is no longer safe
It's 6,000 gold almost ahead of her. What's happening?
Well 705 usually does that
The homie nightfall
33 and five for himself not too far away from a DKB, but need to return home
and assist with his defense because Zatanic in the voice.
They want to try and get a lane of Brax and Zatanic wants also some fried eggs.
Kaori is going to be forced back on this Phoenix.
They do jump into Zatanic right now though.
Sunstrike actually kills him!
He came back with the Sunray which made it so easy for the Sunstrike to connect directly on his head top.
Yeah, the prediction was kinda easy to make.
The last now going in to Rosadele out of the WS.
They close out the BK for a big sonic wave though coming in from Makoto which brings down no one.
WS though maybe overextended.
Right next to Satanic and SSS. Doesn't die just yet. Nightfall instead. Also able to bring down 9th class.
That's it. Holding it down. WS not gonna check out. He survives towards the end.
Kez able to come back with a BKB looking towards Nightfall. There are the additional flashes.
Look at the damage emerging from him. Nightfall is going to die. MKB plus Deso plus the BKB.
This hero is a monster but now the BKB is down. Perhaps he can punish this.
Lakoto, BKB of his own, trying to escape.
Bushwhack, directly onto the case.
Zatanic throws out the raptor dust.
Look at the damage going in from him.
Chen comes in with the old GLWS,
trying to run before he dies to the damage of the case.
He will be able to escape momentarily.
Kaori hopped about somebot with the Sunray.
And they plan to control and corral.
This is really awesome.
And isolate the case long enough that they finally bring him down.
This looks like Elden Ring, you know.
I don't know, the Scents hero in the current state, with the current farm, is they barely managed to kill him.
They managed to kite him out somehow, but of course he didn't have the BKB that he already used, didn't have the ulti, Aegis was gone already.
Kind of a W for Aurora, I have to say though.
All things said and done, they killed Invoker very quickly, like he was completely out of position.
They managed to take down the Aegis as well in the same go.
Yeah, sure, you lose the Windranger, but at this point, she didn't even have a BKB.
Right, so it was inevitable that she was going to die in that fight.
And you also defended the high ground, didn't even lose the tier 3 tower.
Pretty good hold.
No one.
Stalking around bottom where the Timbersaw is.
Makoto's also in the offings, chilling underneath an Invision.
Every one is here, WS.
WS is gonna be the one that cops the first tornado, EMP will drop down as well.
Doesn't want to PKB through that, but no one is supposed to PKB through the AtoS.
9th class doesn't have that same option, however.
Slowed down by the Chasgold, chased by everybody, he will die.
WS did come surprisingly close to joining him in the Grave, but he gets out squad 3.
Yeah, the Bloodstone this time around, it's not really helping out the Lash, overall.
At Nipas has his own style playing Dota, you know, and his own itemization,
that probably would not work on most of us, but he is making it work.
It's always just a 9 class game. You cannot draw like broader lessons about Dota,
by what 9 class is doing, he's playing a different game than you.
I mean, it's nice to have Veil, it's nice to have Spell Lifesteal on Lash.
But usually when you're a core Lash, then you have this Bloodstone.
You also have another item of resetting, like a ULZ or a BKB, something, you know,
grieves perhaps. He's a little bit squishy even with the Blastome right now, but he has
the passive, which is still nice.
We're respawning and joining up with his team. It's been quite a while until we have an
Aegis, so they are encouraged to fight instead. They have an observable ward, they see Nightfall
perfectly, they know exactly where he's at, they get him, they burst him. He had no idea
what was coming his way.
It was way too quick. Farming in the triangle, they didn't really check for vision. Invoker?
He's here, around the shrine, Makoto and the guy, they want to get around them.
No PKP for another 5 seconds, on the way will be there. WS, he's not going to be able to get there in time.
Triple S able to at least eliminate the two supports. WS is still on the way.
Makoto has got the assassination onto the invoker, and he has some help potentially from WS,
but WS sees the kids, so they're absolutely not. I won out of this situation.
Triple S won't be able to get the final blink onto Mikoto.
The Shadow Strike prevents him from getting that blink off also WS with a nice little ATOS play on Kaz, just to slow him down.
Stay away, stay away, exactly.
That's unfortunate because yes they killed Invoker but hit again, cost you two supports.
The true carry of Aurora so far has been Mikoto, right, on the Queen of Pain.
Like Nightfall, he's been doing some work, but I feel like the rest of the team is still waiting for him to come online.
And he hasn't really been able to.
This Queen of Pain has hit her power spike in time a long time ago.
She is absolutely massive.
Like Mikoto is in comparison to his team having a really good game.
13-2, like he's got Sheva's EKB, next is the Bloodstone as well on him.
Which we sometimes see a little bit earlier.
better late than ever it's always a good item on queen of pain can we can we get
some damage numbers again actually on honesty when Makoto ranks the samurai
he's he's gonna be a mountain next to him it's 100 percent it's almost half of
his team's damage by himself he's the highest damage in the game 34k on him
31k on the kez
Kez wants to increase that damage number is gonna smoke up with his crew
No way night falls not gonna die in the same spot twice. Yeah, he's like nah, nah, nah, nah, nah
Shout out nightfall for the game sense. This is definitely would have died
Instead they go kill Mira, but whatever who cares Mira's gonna keep dying in this game already on his 12th one
But one more
He doesn't have the greedy, unfortunately, so no chance to at least get some gold in the grave.
Kodona is level 25.
Went for the blink cooldown.
Kaori? Kaori?
On the last tick of the team. We've all been there. These things happen.
It is what it is. Sorry, Kaori.
The nighttime vision almost saves him, or the lack of nighttime vision that is, almost saves him, but he is the one that does have greedy, by the way, so he's going for Hex, he already has the Mystic Staff.
It's a sort of a knight that could make a difference in the upcoming fights.
Nightfall, it might be able to scout him here, but I don't think they fully want to commit, it would be really nice to just get yourself a sails in the tower and then back off into the ocean.
How is this tier 2 tower still alive?
I had the feeling this fell so long ago.
How was the mid tier one still alive?
I mean, the mid tier one I understand.
It's on the television side. They haven't really been losing any map control.
Now with a whole host of additional goodies.
What do you say? Over or under 10 seconds?
Oh, under, under.
It took you a second to cancel, but yeah, definitely under.
They have...
Dude, he's got 24 stacks on the Denso.
Just a lot of little things coming into play, like Chen with Solarcrest, with Penitence, with Vlad down as well on top.
We told these little creeps giving something extra.
He's got the Ancient Grenade Golem for the 90% HP.
And he's got the ancient frostbitten golem for some nice cooldown reduction never too bad
You're saying that he's got a little red boss, but look at the tooltip. Why is that as effect?
He's he's he's he's just collecting golems
He's got the ancient ground golem frostbitten golem, and he's got this little derp golem that does nothing has a stun
I guess
No aesthetic pleasure is also a thing
She's here
Sometimes I want to win while looking fresh
He's a rock type Pokemon master
Aurora
The 40 minutes in now, so what's the plan?
You know at some point they're gonna try and assassinate you with those ages and push high ground
How do you stop it? Is there an item on the horizon that's gonna help in the upcoming in defense?
The Bloodstone is still queued up for the Queen of Pain, Windranger already has the
Reminence Broach she bought it a while ago, going for satanic text.
Maybe with the satanic you'll be able to stand your ground, even though I sincerely don't
think that's possible, but maybe with the satanic you'll be able to stand your ground
against the Caz.
Kralas is kind of nice on Timbersaw as well, it's another way of dealing with the abundance
of physical damage coming from Kez. Not too bad versus Chen by the way as well, right?
Like the 30% reduction in healing.
As things stand right now, Mira and the gang, sitting together, they don't want anybody
to get caught out alone. They see this Kez, they know what's coming. It's a double C dragon
wave, so paravision. Try to do something here, but playing very disciplined. I'm not going
overextend. I'm not gonna just throw somebody onto the high ground. They are gonna wait for the
opportunities. They are struggling to get some vision into the base that Dukalis have
awarded. He does, but it's in the backpack for now.
They could wait a little bit on peri-vision. They are very close to a
couple of big items themselves as well. But they will not too. Already the banner is there.
Nice push back from the hoodwing to drag as many of the creeps as far from the banner.
Because you cannot pull, like your point is good, but you will not pull the siege creep
away. Like it will stay there.
Nice pull, going to the high ground to try and deal with the banner.
I mean this is a very cool placement for the banner.
They're going in, you know, Payne, she's in danger, almost just heads aside, she might still take out in the end.
She's fleeing for her life, she's in the fountain, she will live.
She's gonna be stuck there for a little while longer.
In the meantime, at least they did manage to get rid of the banner.
The TF3 tower survives till the end.
So it's like, you're in a checkmate position, if you don't go for the banner, you're losing your tower.
If you go for it, you're probably losing a hero.
Queen of Payne, yeah, like you said.
set. If he didn't blink into the fountain, he's absolutely dead. The dots were enough.
Did you see how big the stack was? It was 1,300.
Yes, getting caught up right now, so that's an agent to play around with. But get just
yet, but finally we're full.
It's caught up on the high ground, what a very nice sonic wave, pushing all the heroes
away from the egg, having it burst onto the Glendrack and also connected onto the KZ
as well. On the far side of the fight, KZ is dying, but the general heal keeps the Tannic
alive now instead it's gonna be nightfall that ends up dying no one
controlled him perfectly and Kez is now ready to turn around and get the damage
into the fight he brings down Kaori WS is right next to no one with Mikoto the
SSS gets the stun ulti Mikoto preventing him from easily killing off no one
finally no one just died but Mikoto will have to sacrifice his life for it and
nobody is left that can deal with the tannic he is going ham he's got himself
an ultra kill and Mira has to flee before he delivers him a rampage this Kez
whether life one or life two just cannot be dealt with.
And now the Solar Crest and he goes ham on the towers as well.
There is a couple of buybacks.
They do have the glyph, they just extended it.
They will have to use all of the buybacks though.
The critical fame and buyfall, I feel like they have to use them.
Kodo.
Kodo back here. Cannot afford to make any mistakes.
His BKB is still at the radio at the very least.
With the Force Purrs, they take down the tier three tower.
Down bottom, there's double range creeps also taking down that tier 3, Zatanic putting in these Echo slashes.
Mikoto will still be fine for now, it's all about the Slardar.
We're all waiting just for his initiation, that's it.
Look at how confident Zatanic is, he knows that while Nightfall is in the grave, there's literally nothing to threaten him.
He actually just goes back in Ravensville, puts in the burst damage onto Mikoto, does get Hex for his troubles, push right to a tree.
So we need to try and get out of here.
Atanik is Popser at the downstairs, should be okay, BKB activated, beautiful Sonic Wave from Makoto,
Atanik is trying to TP out right now, he'll succeed, Dukalis will also make it,
Minua pushed back a little bit too late.
Got the BKB saving the day there for him, and I was a bit wrong, like they didn't have to buy back everyone.
So it was only the Queen of Pain that was forced into the buyback, and it's only one side that you lost in the end.
The sad part for Aurora, however, is the fact that that was a beautiful fight set up from them.
The egg was perfect. The sun ray into the neck with the shard, everything was great, but then in Wokker came, the tornado was even better.
Like tornado just completely disrupted everything. I feel like he almost soloed the nightfall in the end with the meatball.
Tornado into meatball, into EMP, nightfall disappeared.
Kaz, of course, doing work on the side, just a little bit.
Just quietly doing his thing.
Just to tad a little bit of damage.
Now that he's got Daedalus and the Swift Blink.
You know?
I feel like he can dish out some damage.
On the bright side, in order to win that fight,
they did have to buyback on the slaughter at that point in time.
So, if you can kill him by some miracle,
that does mean that you'll have some portion of time
where you can try to accomplish something
without the menace that he is.
It's a window.
Like, it's an opportunity for Aurora.
Same goes for Queen of Pain, right?
Okay, kind of goes both ways to buy backs where expanded so two big targets on both sides
There we go smoke from Paris vision
Could be
Great catches that sort of end the game calorie
There was a Phoenix
That's all bro.
We'll be throwing it on to no one, no one will actually activate DKB for this.
Okay.
Triple S as well.
I'll be able to get the blink forward for the crush, just eliminate the creep wave and slip.
Seeing a lot of hexes being queued up by the way, on one side at least.
On Paravision, Leshrac already bought his, so they didn't even walk her.
On the other, we have Double S as well.
Queuing it up.
Phoenix, of course, has won already
This late like 45 minutes in
Like strategy is still very important, but initiating catching heroes with the hex. It can be a completely different
A complete difference maker even when you're 20k behind if you find the right target
That's why the invoker is trying to build into this Lincoln sphere right now
Understanding the assignment that as long as I don't get caught immediately. It's it's a bit easier. I would say to survive on radiant
WS? I think WS believes you that it's much easier to survive on Rageant, because he is not surviving right now.
Ripped to shreds by the kids.
WS, double hex as well by the way. It was from Lesh, and I believe from Dean Walker as well.
One hex after another.
He literally had no chance.
No chance! That's what you got!
What's WrestleMania weekend, right? You got to forgive me, forgive me.
It's fine
Invoker now has his own hex to play around with
We shall see where things go in the upcoming fights if they don't expect us, but they just went on rate for the Roshan get the next ages
I mean there have been times where kids could have died
And he had of course like sacrificed at ages a couple times
But I've been very disciplined about trying not to fight unless they can guarantee that this case will live through it
They're just very disciplined right now. They're playing the map.
Like even with this kind of a lead they understand the pushing car ground to Kass.
Kass? Showing it?
Nitefall! Good! God!
Almost soloing him by himself. The rest of the team isn't even here.
He's attempting a TP out and he will make it.
Okay. So he went what? 1 vs 4 and still survived?
Almost killing Nitefall?
It forced out a BKB, by the way.
The rush time is up.
This would be a really good opportunity for Aurora to take a fight, maybe smoke up, force the fight while his BKB is still down.
If they win a fight, it could be a Nages as well, so...
The problem is Knife will also BKB, right?
That's true.
He's gonna feel very skittish, especially with the loss I had with the Invoker.
Oh.
He needs the BKB.
He needs it, but if they both have BKBs, I feel like he's in a stronger general position, so...
Ex, coming out onto the chin, Ducales brought back with a pushwax, should have enough to
bring him down.
Kez.
This punchwax will not connect onto Kaori so he will be allowed to live in the end.
Hey, it's a two-watt push.
Let's go.
Let's go.
Oh.
Four straights.
He's playing everything.
Okay, they're gonna try and angle towards the Roshan.
We'll have a hell of a smash ascent over to scout things out.
They buy back on Ducales.
They do not want to give anything towards the side of Aurora.
9 plus, waiting in the wings here in the trees, prepared to just blink in and lay out some big damage.
He'll back off for now.
This rush, this Aegis, it can decide the game. If Aurora can get it, it would be a massive boost.
They've been probability.
There we go, another smoke. The idea remains the same.
The only problem is now that the BKB on Kesk is back up.
At least they have their own BKB, and they have buybacks now on the side of Aurora.
Only the Queen of Pain, an important buyback they're still waiting for.
Both sides smoked up, it's going to be him heading directly towards each other.
Mira breaks the smoke. Oh my god! Wow!
Wow, let's get out of here boys, time to run away.
Kurosawae is onto WS, he needs to get out the 9th class leaping in, getting the hex out onto 9th 4th, he gets the split up as well.
Triple S though couldn't find the follow up link, so he's gonna be fine.
In the meantime, Zotanic zones back away WS onto their own high ground.
They are now inside the pit on the side of Harry Vision. They can dictate how this fight is gonna go.
So, they don't want to overcommit, playing very discipline, like you said, Phoenix just
throwing in these Fire Spirits, they're throwing in these Power Shots, they're doing everything
to just delay, delay, delay, but it's kind of hard to fully commit in this moment.
Yeah, Roshan will switch foams, right, like he's going top now, it's 15, it's minute
50 and not another smoke like Aurora have been hoarding smokes like at least they have an abundance of those
Maybe you can't locate stoop towards top would make my eyes back. Oh, WS got hits. This is a calamity. No, this cannot happen
Simba so it's gone. You could buy back if you still want to defend this though the big sonic wave from Makoto
But all it did was push these heroes away
Not much more than that now his own VKB has been extended on the Queen of Pain
I mean, you just have to let this one go maybe now.
Or maybe buyback on the timber. Like you have two options.
Buyback on the timber, fight for Rosh because there's no BKB on Kaz as well, right?
Queen of Pain used first, but so did Kaz.
Okay, they choose to fight. I think this is the right decision.
I don't really think that you had an option.
This is basically where you win or lose the game.
Giving them ages is equal to losing.
One shot, one opportunity.
They get stunned up and they got the focus file out of the triple S but now Zanik is just so now griping through the Windranger.
There is no Windranger, she's forced to buy back. In the meantime, the Chaos Medial destroys and kills the hoodwink and that's a dieback for Mira.
He won't be involved in this fight anymore. To make matters worse, although Kaori's in, did go off, literally did nothing.
Now Aegis is taken by Zanik, all the goodies are picked up. Oh and look at that, he also gets his namesake item just at the end of the fight.
Why not? Get the satanic, you get the refresher, the cheese, the ages, everything is there now for them.
And in this Windranger, unfortunately, used the power shot on the Slardar, right?
Sorry, the focus fire on the Slardar. And because of that, he couldn't heal with the satanic.
Slardar was way too far away while Cas was sitting here, so he couldn't heal.
The focus fire was very ineffective and so was the satanic.
The item that is not the player.
One thing that was very good about in this game is avoiding using focus fire on the caress
unless he's changed disabled, because you know what will happen if he gets parried in that moment.
It won't work of course, but going for Slardar the way they did also, not really working out.
Especially if you're in the river and he's got aggadence.
It's a really difficult kill to make.
The homeboy is chilling with 40 armor basically.
On the other side, I feel like they could have used another Lotus on someone.
Like right now it's only the timber, right, that has the Lotus.
So if he gets going on, he's as good as that.
And it's your tankiest hero in the game.
Certainly doesn't look at the way that this Khez has been exploiting him.
Now Zotanic and the boys, here they come.
tier 2 tower or tier 3 tower, just a touch away from falling over, full lane of rax will be available
half WS can't do anything and he just has to watch McCombal getting jumped upon by satanic and triple S
there was a sonic wave pushing some of these heroes back to keep them alive
big chaos medial from the invoker, they take down Mira yet again, supernova's in a very good position
so maybe they'll be able to spawn more flying plots at the very least, indeed it does so
but they can't kill him. Of course, the tactic is just rushed back in, looking for Nyko,
getting the dieback out of the Windranger, and now he has declared himself as by far
the strongest hero on the map. GG, well played, is cold. We are going to a Game 3
Paravision's series streak at the very least. Still remains alive.
Yeah, GG's an actual good game. I would argue that game number one as well was super fun to watch.
Some would say it was a bit boring at the end, but overall Aurora they put up a fight here.
I feel like with the draft that they had, I think they still executed pretty well considering the start.
This cast was just absolutely obliterating everyone on the map with the Bezo and the Corrosive,
but they found a way to at least stall it out a little bit.
They did indeed find a way, and that way wasn't enough in the end.
We're gonna be asking our panel what they think about the plan.
How on earth, Shiva, do you deal with the Satanic kids?
Easy, easy, easy.
You ban it, or you, yeah, you ban it, straight up,
you ban it, easy.
That was that dealt with, man.
This was, there were a lot more layers to this game,
of course.
It is paravision to take it.
So we're going to a game three.
Aurora fought so hard and so long to try and hold them off,
but they never seem to really have enough in the tank to deal with Paravision,
including the Kais of course.
Yeah, before we get to praising P-Vision, right?
Because it's got a throw to Aurora, the code is 1436 on the Queen of Pain,
doing 63,000 damage, like, he was pulling an absolute shift in this game
for Aurora to try and maybe close out their series of the tour, but then, P-Vision,
they kind of changed up their starter draft in this game too.
They got the Slarner on second pick.
They didn't, Aurora didn't take it themselves.
We got to see it with a lot of people, he didn't have like the best game for his own net worth
but I feel like you might agree with me here, like he kind of did enough to enable his team anyways
like we didn't need to see his net worth be number one.
For sure, I feel like the reason the game went long enough is because of the Queen of Pain.
Nifle has just been randomly dying throughout every teamfight and then you have the Queen just holding everything together.
He tried his best but in the end he could not do it.
And then for P-Vision, again, like he looked towards there, their way of playing satanic, 21 and 10, 81,000 damage himself, like they were so explosive, right, like Nanklos, he is an absolute menace, like you like the way he plays, right, we all do.
I think Leshrac has become another hero that he can do it on. Last game didn't really work out to the best of strengths, but this time around, he could be explosive, he was able to be a bit greedier.
Like, again, in the endgame items, they look like just another gore.
He's got Bloodstone, he's got a Hex, he's got a Blink, an Atox, a Kaia, but...
I think the way that fever is in play, I want this start of Dota in every game if possible.
It's like cheap spells, progress them there, lots of impact.
Fight, exactly, lots of impact.
Like, they never feel like there's a down point in their lineup.
But that all is so enabled by a hero who likes Slardar.
Obviously, Triple S plays it great as well.
But you need to have a hero like Slyther to be able to do exactly everything you just said.
They Slyther enabled the kids so much, especially with the Alakity behind them, the Chen or the Crest.
They basically just want to boss this Europe as much as possible, because he dishes out an immense amount of damage in the legion, especially with Khorosivase.
Yeah, it's exactly what you want from P-Vision, especially because the last game felt kind of empty, right?
That's like one way to summarize it from them. They had moments and then it kind of faded away
Of course when they are leading the game in kills you naturally when you have satanic standout player, of course
They just had rush on control for this entire game
Like when there were moments of Aurora it was so much for them to deal with like the only GF to try and kill cares
It's an ages cares and it was like two ages
It's three ages
It's just like it never felt like Aurora was able to win a fight at a point where they can then go
let's get our own agents. Let's actually try and get into the game ourselves.
They truly just shot down Nightfall really well. Yeah, and I do believe we do have a
highlight, but this one in particular was, I believe, a little bit better for Aurora, right,
than it was for Paravision? Yes, this is the part of the game where it should have ended.
I feel like this high ground push was at the size of moment for Parry, but then in Volker,
he just walks up and gets shot through. He gets caught out of position, immediately dies,
and then they still decide to take the K-Python Parry version
and they're just gonna start losing heroes and I think eventually
he is gonna fall on KS, this is the A-LiUs first.
This could have been the end of the game, yet on or off, hold a comeback.
Yeah, it was a shackle of nightfall.
I feel like this was his most impactful moment.
He did end up dying again, as I said,
he keeps dying throughout the entire game in random moments
And this kept happening over and over again, which led to the loss of the game for all of us.
On top of that then, could we not then look towards the draft for like a little bit for a raw like the Timbers 4 on 18?
It kind of in the lane, it was just there, like in the early game, it was going like, okay.
Like sure, there's a couple moments with Atos that he could apply like a little bit of skirmish pressure,
but it didn't really feel like the the value that like in game one, the 18 pick puck roll.
Again, maybe the draft we kind of forgot to hype for Kodo up in the game. We were like, who was he doing?
Yeah, Timbersaw this time around it was like
Again, could we see the stats of Timbersaw currently right now because there was another Timbersaw?
There was!
Simultaneously.
So, Timbersaw wins on the other stream, so then there would be four losses, one win.
Correct.
One and four hero.
Yeah.
Yes.
And not very good against the kids either.
Not like that.
Especially when you know the lane this year.
Look at that, you've cooled them fast.
High stakes, 20% win rate.
I think this is the biggest bait right now, for the offlaners specifically.
To me it felt like they picked it into a lane where they know exactly what they're playing against,
did not have impact in the lane, and then mid to late game it was not what Aurora needed.
They needed this guy to make space for the Queen and the Nightfall.
But they didn't have it, the Timbersouls, he tried his best, he went in there in the teamfights,
But he just got bristled down too fast.
And you wanted to highlight the draft he got?
I assume it's because maybe you'd want to criticise that they went for the Phoenix over the Slardar in the opening?
Or is that not where you wanted to go with that?
I'd like to discuss. Sheila, not criticise. We're here to elevate.
I'd love to criticise it.
Yeah, that's fucking awful. I'm lying.
No, I'm joking.
No, so I just wanted to look towards the Aurora opening with the Phoenix.
We mentioned it as they locked in the Phoenix giving away the Slardar. It was like if Aurora
It's incorrect by the way first pick was both sides on the Aurora side
Okay, well that is true
But if we ignore the first pick things Phoenix went the way they were Aurora
Second pick went towards the Slardar at least on the top line of that graphic. The key thing here is
You have Slardar available. Yes
It's there. I can tell you it's that's right. You wanted them the slardar 16 games 75% win rate Phoenix 15 games
53% win rate so a fifth Phoenix is still obvious. I mean there is an obvious choice
But to me if you have first look available other teams have taken the slardar giving away the phoenix
We've seen the valuable slardar can do even in a game where he doesn't take over with net worth kind of becoming like a top
3-4 core because of the shard, he was bottom of the core and still you could talk about
him being like a key reason why they're winning the fights.
He's an enabler.
He enables all of the carry.
Take the starter, not the Phoenix.
He goes in, has a stun, allows to blow up a person at the start of the fight, making
the next part of the fight 4v5.
As mentioned in the beginning of the series, Phoenix is a solid hero.
Sardar is a game changer.
Big difference between the two.
Russian we said how important it was or mentor yep everything like it does bursting everything
Shard is free fun takes every objective
Laning can kill the whole point of think what's not I used to be maybe worse
Was because there's carries like terror blades and morphlings and state and the deuces worse like they play the lane
They don't die and they go to sort of hey at 30 minutes if you don't shove me down
I will win this game
You are a bad cure against me none of those heroes are really getting picked in the car or so I saw as like I can play
my lane, activate my team, and I'm not getting outscaled by the enemy carry, and I can always
threaten a carry or support. It's like, this is the best time to be a SlotR player, because
no carries want to pick the classic counters. So unless you pick the classic counters, you
take it for yourself, or you ban it. That's kind of like where I'm leading, how after
watching these games.
Another thing I want to mention is the SlotR factor. BKB does not matter against SlotR.
SlotR does not care about BKB, and PV did a very good thing in the rough where they
They have this like combination of damage. They have pure damage from the ED to Lashrakh.
They have massive damage, magical from the Invoker and the Lashrakh.
And then they have Kez with the massive physical damage buffed by the slaughter.
So you have an Invoker with 10 spells. There's just so many things you have to buy BKB.
But guess what? Sardar doesn't care. He does not.
That was not... That is two wins in a row for Sardar in this series.
Will he get the chance to get a third win on board for finding out Game 3 coming your way
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Paravision and Aurora are going head-to-head in the best of three and game three is about to come up because
you need to win here in order to make it to the playoffs. You're not out if you lose, but we can pretend they are so that it's extra spicy as Tegav does like to see the elimination side of things.
So, you like to see the elimination.
I think it raises the stakes a lot.
So, hereby, we decided this game, whoever loses is out, raises the stakes.
Out of the playoffs?
I mean, sure.
We refused to cover that series tomorrow, and then they can't play.
Okay, it was a bad idea.
We're going to watch game three, and everybody's happy, apart from one team, that's happier, because they're in playoffs.
We talked a lot about slaughter already, which is going to be a major topic at the start of the draft coming in other than that
What route do you want the teams to take?
Right now I feel like it's nice folders to panic show we have a nice fall game one going absolutely ham now
We have satanic game two going no, I I can do better than you and this is the decider basically
Who's the better carry?
We got a nightful playing win ranger both games
Satanic obviously changed heroes. Do you allow?
Both carries to change their hero and you're in the matchup. I think my full nightful should still play winner
It's to prove
And satanic definitely bust out of different heroes, so he has one for each
Yeah, I don't buy the win range honestly, but it was great in game one
It could have been good in game two, but his supporting cast is kind of fell off, right?
Like I think it was simply just Timbersaw, right? Like yeah, it's often it didn't really make any noise in the game existed
Game one the reason why Windranger folks are good
There's Slardar, Cross of Haze, whoever Windranger goes on you have
No armor on that hero plush a billion right clicks. It makes sense to why it's so potent with Aurora being first to pick this time around
All times. Yeah, the argument will just be if they have the option
Let's say the same bands occur, right? For Rorith, Io, Monkey, Rubik, for P-Vision, and without Tiny Puck, Lone Drid, if that occurs, I would love to see a Rora take the Slardar.
I know we've already spoke about it in great lengths, but it just feels like the better hero to take out of the two.
It might even get banned.
Yeah, I think if you're from Paravision, what main takeaway you could take from that game? Like, what's the reason you won the way you did?
A large portion of that was the slaughter, so...
The way that I...
Not to take care of the wave, sorry.
Not to take care of the wave from the invoker.
No one, the invoker did control the first 20 minutes of the game.
He was everywhere, helping...
From the Sunstrike, that's from far away.
How he nearly hit the...
Oh, he had to hit the Sunstrike on the back?
Yes.
It would have been a great highlight.
Yeah.
The nerf of P-Vision, if they were to, I think, let's slaughter through the pool,
I think they would have let Puck into the pool, then banned it on the 12th ban rather than the 6th ban.
So that's how I would have seen the slaughter, maybe getting banned instead, but they do let it through.
And it's pretty much on Pivots, like, hey, do you think Phoenix is the first pick?
Do you think...
They have a slaughter available.
Of course.
I think another way.
Yep.
Yeah, Aurora gets to choose which one they prefer.
16 games, 75% rate. The coach must know about it.
What's the win rate of the phoenix 53% 53% in
No brainer. Come on average. Have a US plays a great slaughter. He does in game one. He popped off
Should have been the MVP was
We just didn't add him in the discord triple s plays a great start as well yesterday. Yeah, I'm doing
Everyone plays a great slaughter. No offense to the player. I think slaughter kind of plays itself
They did it, you know, it's really scary if we have when you're panelling by the way
Yes, and you fully look on like a draft idea you've put your whole soul behind it and the team doesn't do it is kind of crashing
Yeah, I'm pretty happy for both our sake. Just wanna don't get first pick because we don't I'm happy. I know you're happy very happy
They were listening. Yeah, definitely
Very soon
Be a high priority obviously is not picked right now. This is the same answer Paravision gave in the first game
So this is actually is it exact same? Yes, I hope they don't give no one yes
It's a type hunter anymore. It's wasted potential. It's not the exact same as was banned in the first game
That's like the major difference. Yeah, I
Partially review
If they set up a draft in a way that they can find an offline hero, I don't mind it, but I want like
98% of the time tied him to be the offlaner based on this draft setup. Like tied being offlane,
getting concentrated perhaps, being a frontline, being able to free follow the slaughter's aggression
feels nice. On the mid lane, you kind of want to be a bit more farm heavy, you want to shove your
wave, hit some camps, like I think an offlaner is happy to have soaked some more fight, right?
So I mean, for that alone, I want to stay in the offlane. Yeah, I think I agree with you. Sometimes
as you could put him in, but he definitely belongs there.
Yeah.
You know, I think the ban from P-Vision will be a great indicator on if they want Tide
to be an offlaner, but if they ban Ursa on 12, they are just kind of telling you, hey,
we're probably going to put this in off-lane unless you do something that enables us to
do something different.
Could be a bait as well.
They do have the last pick, so they can just really pick another axe or whatever they think
is fit and put the Tide man.
That's why...
They're still scared of the Mikolapuk.
But that's why drafting is so fun, because to me it's like you pick Tried Hunter, let's say you don't mind us, so they pick us, and then you have players that can do this, now you put Enigma off lane if there's no Enigma counters, and you can do all these fun things that just really break drafts, but you need all your players to be invested, otherwise you're griefing one guy by forcing him to play some off hero.
I'm going to ask you a tough question here. How do you deal with the slaughter?
How do you deal with Slaughter? So my gut tells me Slaughter is a very strong laner where you can't actually just fully
outright beat him in lane. You need to be able to like go even on net worth and I think you just need to have supports ready
to fight into his blink timing. So when he has a 12-13 at blink and goes for a smoke play, your supports have to read
where that's going and be there. I don't mean like TP in, I want them to be there like 10 seconds before.
read him, outplay him in the macro, so then he's kind of like, well, I didn't get killed in my blink,
I have to play backwards, I can't play into the map. So I think it's more in the supports, beating the slaughter rather than the cause doing it.
That's not bad.
How important is it to be able to interrupt the blink dagger before you blink? Like are there supports that can do that?
I mean, it's okay, but I feel like in competitive games, the pacing is so quick that you can't rely on that.
Like, good players are always going to be able to understand that's a potential way to deal with, like, Venomots.
They have good positioning, or they'll smoke. They'll do things that will basically allow them to blink.
Like, Dota has played so heavily through smokes that, as years progress, you're not seeing, like, an unsmoked blink hero tried to cross the river and make a big move, right?
right it's like the centuries and I've already placed all your smoke there's
like so many motions in play in p-vision again with the mirana yep into
the solar with the talent only 15 was it yes that's the evasion you tell me
answer at least they ban yourself so they're thinking it's gonna be an
awful entire and they did do that same ban in game one and they still flexed it
but p-vision at least continuing their same like draft line they had against
It's always so nice to see how a series evolves, like there's always a meta in the series and you can see in game 3 there's already a Puck ban since it was played another game before.
There's a Kes ban, there's a Phoenix ban and then there's a Sardar first pick priority.
There's fun-watching ways of evolving during the series, own meta developing right here.
They do have the same first two picks as I think it was game one.
Yep, from both sides.
If they picked your carer, poof!
There we go.
They're carers.
Alright, time to pull up.
You want to just copy paste it?
Alright, brother, it's a lesson.
Lesson PL, if you want to pull up.
Lesson PL, alright.
So, less should come on 16, it's not done.
This time there's no puck.
Let's see if they're confident in their draft.
They obviously think puck was a big problem in that game, that's why they're banning it.
So, with puck being out, they should in theory pick LeShrek right now.
I wouldn't be opposed to it honestly as like nine classes clearly showing that he understands what the hero can do like the weird little tire pressure
But they're gonna go for a tear blade
Now that's a good solution against all I know they want my voice and I start making sounds
That's a great way to deal with Sata because terribly has naturally high base armor
Yeah, and I did say to Shiva here people aren't picking the tear blades the morphlings the anti-slot our heroes. Yeah
So maybe they are listening. We must be quiet next door.
We can just start with the walls.
The tower is very good because you have high armor. You buy...
What do you think the call is going to call?
The call. I hope for. I don't want to say admit.
I despise mid-call, I think.
What are we doing? The 18th pick of Aurora needs to be in terms of boxed.
How many people muted the stream after we started doing this?
I'm really whispering, he's not grinding on the ear.
Surely there's some people who like hate ASMR, and this is kind of getting close to it.
But if this is voice-talking...
There we go, we are bringing up the energy.
There's a couple people that like turned the volume up.
It's so interesting.
Just getting through it on a low note.
Before we get to Aurora quickly, P vision at least, it feels like a very like game three type of draft, right?
Shove waves of Kotl with tide going, and Kotl with illuminate, you have the Chakra to buff the turbos and meta.
You want satanic to be the guy, he is the carry, it's a proper traditional four of us who protect one draft of Rora, they identify that, and they go for the hardest carry you could argue in the game.
I chrono the territory, we have to kill him, don't let him sander.
Is there enough damage to go through it? Because Slarna is not going to help me.
Right now there isn't, but I feel like the different one, Invoker in 2023, which is amazing against Tidehunter and Terrorblade, it deals very well with these heroes, especially when you have a Fizz's Void,
who can potentially set up double cataclysm or just normal cataclysm.
My prediction for the two bounce coming out is an invoker and a quap.
It should definitely be an invoker.
Yeah, a quap, I agree.
I think that these two are probably the best partners for Facesboy right now.
Yep, it gives the pacing.
I mean, you said about the solid mid lane.
But there's a little damage, I think.
I mean, there is actually damage in the chrono, right?
There's...
There's macro pile.
Some damage.
Hood wink.
Not zero.
Yeah, and then Slotto the haze.
Void is a weird hero, where it's like, if you go to Mastermind, it's Maostrum, you can kill heroes,
but you wish you had like an extra item in a bit. Maybe the Cross of Hades is enough to get him
kind of crone a bit earlier. Oh, there's going to be a Queen. Or an Invoker.
Yeah, they're respecting the slot out to mid to find the Offlane counter.
Because again, we haven't even obtained the idea of anti-terrapid heroes, the brewmaster,
That's true, that's true.
So there are options to break Zotanik and we just said it's a 4-Protect-1 draft at the moment.
But do they really want to put Sotr on me with the Faces Void carry?
I understand that's strange with the ultimate of Sotr, but that's kind of the only thing that's...
But it's more the idea of like if they shut down the Terrorblade, what game does P-Vision have to play?
But if he's chasing his butterfly whilst Nightfall already has like me on it,
And then he finally gets it and Nightfall's already halfway through to an MKB. I think they're going to be happy.
So I think that will sacrifice maybe the mid lane matchup.
That's true. Faces Void will end up dealing with probably alone if he goes to the full item.
So P-Vision is pretty much like, if there's another band here, isn't Offlaner, they only want Satanic to get into the game.
They don't even care about the cataclysms, the co-ops, the pacing, whatever that can bring because they just want him to farm for like 10 minutes.
So it should be a brew ban, right?
Yeah.
Since I feel like Miran or Cole doesn't really deal well with the brewmaster only.
I still don't mind the Invoker ban just for the idea of like...
Invoker is so dangerous, I feel, with Faces Void.
Yeah.
I feel like they have to ban the Invoker.
Outgledly trades.
I mean, it's not even a trade, to be honest.
We're having solid against Terrible, this is gonna be like a 50-50 both.
I'm probably just gonna chill and farm the lane.
But this Invoker is definitely a very impactful hero in this game.
If they can get it with the Faces Void, Cataclysm is a scary spell, especially paired up with Cronor or Average.
I think it's PV could pick it as well.
You know here that we don't see often, and depending on what Aurora picked, let's say they pick it off later,
it might really make that draft kind of whack, but like a necrophos of PV, it should be kind of cool.
The ember ban is suggesting a queen pick
Because which ban ember no you wouldn't if you want to post other mid
It's one of the best years against ember mid. Yeah, it's nice. Hoskar. Hoskar is probably number one
I mean if they pick queen then my meme suggestion goes into the bin so what can you do?
It's already in the bin. What was your meme suggestion? Thank you for listening
It was a necrophos. I went very mean
Yeah, like the family invoker, they understand the threat.
Yeah, yeah, I mean the double value of like Offlane to mid actually impacting Ornn's drafts is so high that
they kind of hit like the one of the best against Tyrabriot with the Underlord,
one of the best to enable the void with the Horde, like still there's the bruise, the co-ops, the other options that we mentioned.
Storm spirits, there's not a lot of damage through a chronosphere, right?
Doesn't really do much in chrono if anything.
I think you can throw a remnant out on smarcton
It's not directly enabling the chrono damage and also the tabulated lane
but it will provide all the information to hit the correct chrono
That's how I see it at the moment
So then you're just gonna sharpshoot or a macro player?
We forgot to mention it pairs very well with starter
Storm is starter
Very well together because Storm does have a lot of physical damage
because it has just naturally high base stats
Good damage, good attack speed
He loves to have this buff on physical damage.
A good macro play, right? Like if the game does get difficult,
Tebe shoves waves and we said how much shit waves shove,
Storm can go play behind them quite safely,
skip the additional waves, keep the game going.
You can buy time and then P-Vision.
Of course, for the voice, Spirit.
Keep it simple.
Classic Spirit, Spirit counter.
Yeah, good for CSing in the mid lane against Storm.
In the game, you can utilize your barrier
to brush off a little bit of that physical damage to kind of run into the mix.
Does favorite the storm in my opinion?
The matchup, I feel heavily favorites the storm because you can just spam remnants.
Is this a game for Void Spirit where you're looking towards potential agonies to the silence
or do you want him just to keep scaling for himself like getting mantas and utilizing
his like damage potential?
I feel like they need the agonies because they don't have a lot of lockdown but at the same
time he can scale for himself if he wants and try to brush the storm or the void in
average. I'm just happy, Shiva, before you ask the question about which draft I prefer. Yeah. I just
love the fact that in a game three, when you're going to the playoffs, yeah, we have like Terror
Blade versus Void, we've got like Void Spirit versus Storm Spirit, like the carries are true
carries, the mid lanes are playmakers, the off-laners are playmakers, like you, when you say like,
what is a Dota draft, like what do you want in the team? I think both teams having captured
They did what is like big team fight ultimate. Yeah, like what you want in a classic Dota draft
What you show your friend to try and get them into the game to play their first game into
Then only ever playing Dota and no other game and maybe choices about that. But anyway, yeah
I think this is exactly what these drafts can do
Last series last game we said the game at high potential for being amazing
Where did it rank on the hindsight on the potential? It was pretty good. I should have was decent in fights
Rated out of 10.
It's like a 6 for me.
It's like 7, because NICE will just die too much, and kind of took away from the, you know.
So it was a 6 for the endgame too, but this time, has to be like an 8 or 9. Minimum short.
This one, I think, if it goes to 40 minutes, it's gonna be...
Is the potential higher, first of all, than...
They have a lot of map control with the Kotl, like Paravision Kotl and Voice Spirit.
They're gonna play very aggressively, they're gonna try and take over as much of the map as possible.
And yeah, I try to delay all of his voice timings and basically Aurora will just be like, alright, we need to give this guy a good game and they will group up first and I think it will just be a lot of fights in this game, yeah.
I just want to turn a distance. I just want it to be like, maybe not 60 minutes, that's greedy, but I want to get close, like 50 minutes hitting the peak, the big fights. It needs to be like to truly respect both of these drafts.
for 48 sure you the person was like predict I say 50 you're like 49 congrats
okay cool 45 I think 45 is alright we're gonna find out who takes this third
game and the punches there take it to the playoffs we're heading over to our
commentary deal of snare and lizard game one was 15 minutes long game two was
54 minutes long it's only fitting lizard that in game three we pick the
hardest late game carries we can possibly find. Terrible late versus faceless void. I'm getting
nostalgic but I'm genuinely excited to see what Nightfall and Zatanic can present in this final
game. Just take us to tier 5s. That's it. That's all I want. I want to see a couple of tier 5s.
Maybe some Enchanters Bobble or whatever the hell that new neutral is. You know with a couple of
cooldown reductions on tier 5s why not? I want to see some chaos. This is definitely going to be
be careful. I mean Void Spirit, Storm Spirit, the panel are talking about it, you know.
This is a very unescape. There's very little cheese here. There's no nonsense, right? Stable
lanes, stable mids. This is just going to be about execution and strategic movements around
the map.
There's just a lot of big value heroes late game. Very interesting lanes as well. All
that talk, right? A very honest fight around the road as well.
Yeah, but WS is actually able to secure that Bantu even for his team. So it's going to
a 3-1 for them on the side of Aurora and in this series SlotR undefeated. The team that has SlotR
generally tends to win and you know one of the things about the SlotR as well is the panel
talking about how there's not that much damage to throw into the Chronosphere outside of the
macro, outside of the Sharpshooter but you can bridge the gap a little bit just by having that
amplified damage. The corrosive phase helps void not the most but it at least gives you a little
bit extra punch. I think our panelists are a little bit damaged spoiled. You know what comes to
Give me this cataclysm like what it does if you don't have insta-kill damage that doesn't mean you don't have damage in chrono
Macro fire a sharp shooter even the hoodwink shards but the bot lane
Okay, but then you get the first blood already to Carlos ends up going down yet again
We see that this lane for Aurora hoodwink slaughter is putting in that work
It was exceptionally effective in game number one and it does so again here in game three. Yeah already getting some
Nice kills, I mean, Slardar vs Terrablade overall doesn't yield like the best lane it never was, like Terrablade has a lot of armor illusions that Slardar can't really deal with, but if you get a good start, like if you get a couple of racers, faceboots early on, power threads, whatever, it's a little bit of a different story.
Mid lane, Void Spirit, Stone Spirit, something we see time and time and time again.
They did pick the Void Spirit into Storm, and the panel was questioning whether this is an X game or not.
I feel like it's a really good X game. When you look at the catch on Paravision, there isn't really a lot.
right like you eventually I think a shard on Titan is a necessity and a must
but the Nagonim's would be pretty good to silence the storm to silence the
faceless void as well yeah and class was being harassed up top so we'll force
to flee we'll not spend his time fruitlessly we'll at least make a stack
before returning to the lane so it's just a tight hunter this is basically the
caught the gameplay right like go into the lane use a couple of chakra magic
on your off-laner stack up the triangle it's all about the stacks I'm kind of
surprised that we didn't go win so already set up a couple centuries maybe
with the minute zero smoke just to block the ancients block the medium camp
on bottom you know just eating some right clicks from the colors should be fine
making space for satanet to continue forming with the first meta of the game
Triple S in this top lane, there is a lot of magical harass coming in from Kauri, but
traditionally there's not really much that Spaceless White does to you in that lane.
Yep, this lane should be pretty straightforward for Triple S, just a lot of anchor smashes.
They will contest the Lotus against him, he is alone right now but so tanky.
Ah, they're barely doing any damage to him.
class will eventually emerge just to zone them back let them know that guys
you just wasted all of our time here come on. This is a pretty good combo as well
on both sides I feel like the off-lane duo's are very potent combos but for
different reasons. Hoodwing plus Lara are all about the kills right like you've
got multiple disables you've got like insane amount of damage sometimes you
can even get blight stone in this kind of lane on Hoodwing. On top lane however
Titehunter is enabled by Caudal. Like you can double anchor smash because of the chakra magic, but also of course Caudal is constantly going to be stacking for you, so you have multiple benefits from the keeper of the light.
Hell, even when Titehunter does eventually go take some of those stacks, Caudal can just sit you up blasting back the wave, ensuring that the equilibrium still stays positive for the team.
he can help you out. It's Chakra magic with the blast of his own. Sometimes you see caudals
at this point, specifically in 9 class, you see him actually taking stacks on his own,
being a little bit greedier. Because currently we'll see what he goes for. This in general
is not an easy game for the supports. For the Mirana down bottom, who might even die.
He is running herself away, we'll be able to pop herself though, you know, we'll be able to find the bushwack, actually drags the Murano onto the high ground, follows up with the blood grenade and secures the kill, what the hell was that?
I mean that's insane, like he literally ran through the tower and he still managed to latch the bushwack. If Murano ran a little bit south, the bushwack doesn't connect right, but I swear he didn't believe that that was coming right here.
Did you see the top lane, Kaori? Like you were mentioning, you wanted into the triangle to actually block some of these camps.
I planted down the ward and the sentry, blocked both of these.
Is it going to block the ancients? Yeah, only the ancients block. Hot camp is still open.
Mm-hmm.
Particamp is maybe something that they could contest.
If Storm has perhaps a little bit of an earlier level 6,
maybe they can go into the triangle contested on their own.
And Coral is actually trying to take it already.
Yeah.
Jekiro is being scouted here, so they are forced to bring no one over
to ensure that they can guarantee that they get this.
It does have a dual breath that you could maybe expand on some of these creeps.
The blast is there, and there's not real mana on no one, so he'll be okay.
Storm is 6.
Mira is coming into the offing as well. They want to try and do something here.
Indeed, they are going to look to contest this, Mira. Will you find another good bushwack here?
If he just finds it on creeps, I feel like that could already be good enough if he can get a couple flasks.
So far, 9-class did manage to snatch a couple of the big creeps.
Yeah, it seems like they will leave him alone.
Okay, little they're gonna be me going on to no one Makoto. Can you close the gap here? It was a little bit too far away
That could have been a kill although he did have the 10-1 charger
So would have been able to get off the disseminate and he does now have the level six so astral step is online. They basically
Tried pressuring came away from the experience didn't work. There's a region caught up
Very long zip coming in from Makoto will isolate nine class kill him off
The caudal goes down. Nice scouting from Kailhury. This observable without the penta on the ancients has provided so much value for Aurora.
And so it begins, by the way.
Like, one of the reasons why Storm was picked here is not only lack of control, but lack of any survivability on the two supports against them.
Like, when I see this game as a caudal or a mirana enjoyer, I cringe.
The storm will constantly be on top of you, like some glimmer capes, some ATOS, like they will need
every tool in the toolbox available to them to survive against storm.
So you can really have a phenomenal game already starting off quite well?
Very interesting as well on 9-class that he's going for mech.
Not really something that you see too often.
The whole locket is usually the build on Karel, because you get the heel amp on the Illuminate Blast.
It became kind of a new meta. I think that actually it's GH that started it maybe half a year ago or something like that.
It was quite a nice adaptation to the standard Earn 4 Staff vessel.
Oh, autumn! WS, this is not standard. They left him alone a little bit.
Ducales was elsewhere, he's moving to the top lane to contest the outpost of Shrine.
That means that he left the loan killed off. That's a great catch for WS.
Just a beautiful kill.
Still no level 6, no Sunder on the terror blade.
These two heroes, like the Woodbink and the Slardar, they're always able to get some kills.
Look at that, there's just way too much damage from those two.
That's another thing about the Storm Spirit, there is a large period of the game where the terrible blade is terrified of being scattered by the Storm.
Absolutely, it's not only the support, it's everyone on the map. I would even argue that he is pretty good versus a Titehunter.
A lot of mixed damage. Usually tanky offlaners, you know, Timbersaws, Titehunter, Underlords, they can't fall to a Storm Spirit that's good.
already have a solitary galvanized act up for Makoto building into the tire
just gonna arrest back no one force it to simulate out of him and there's no
support nearby to contest with these runes so it'll be the luck of the draw
Makoto is gonna lose out no one I'm getting runes in the early game name
a more iconic duo icebox will connect on to Ducales he managed to leap away
initially still has another charge a corn shot is going to be the zone very far
from where the tower is but I'm not going to be able to fully catch and kill him
it's honest and good work from him right because he let the creep wave to the
terrible it and he also alleviated some pressure from the tier one tower so
he's a double Vani however it's here for the punish they have level six
available on WS so he threw out the amplified damage that Kuro survives
gets the easy kill from Akkar.
I mean while Keeper of the Light is the one next in line to try and defend, at least for a little bit, but this tower is already gone.
Snackfall and Troubles just tipping each other because both of them are refusing to play the lane?
Yeah, it's the Dominator build. Don't face us for it.
Like he went back for the old school dawn belt.
I think the last time he played Void he did the same thing.
I'll be honest, I really like the domes though. On some heroes. This is what is one of them.
I guess, you know, like everyone moved away from this build because the dominator is way too juicy right now.
Like you can kill it very easily. You can get the cooldown is longer as well.
The mana cost isn't really that incredible any longer as well. It's 50.
There's a reason why this stopped being the better.
Case in point, they just killed one of the domes but at the same time they moved middle.
He killed off Mira.
No one, starting to exert himself as well.
He had popped that haste rune, is chilling with an urn of shadows, not choosing to upgrade
immediately into the spirit vessel, he's going to angle straight into the agonist scepter.
It acts as way too good.
I feel like for this kind of a game agonist scepter is.
I'm overreacting her in a 10 rule, let's see.
Okay, it's going to be...
The Carlos not being able to pick it up because Coyote grabs it in front of him.
This means that Mikoto doesn't grab it, but Mikoto won my until he'll claim the kill instead,
get an additional Galvanized Stack and consider that a worthwhile trade.
At 300 so far, so good for the Storm Spirit, doesn't really have a lot of resources, they
have smoked up, they want to contest the Ancient Stack or maybe the Tidehunter top.
See where they go, Terrowblade currently farming in the stack, indeed they are going to come
back towards middle mid lane, no one jumps onto Mira, kills him off, but will he escape
This is the question, do they have the icebox? They do not, but they do have more than enough damage.
Lakoto involved in his fourth kill of the game for Aurora.
Nicely done by Naisu. Once again, he does. Nicely done. He didn't really contribute a lot there.
There were no steps, no spells from Void Spirit, but still, just the fact that he TP's in, helps out a little bit.
He plays the carry roll very actively right now, and he doesn't really miss out on farm because of the Dominator, right?
All this time that he has been TPing mid, moving around, the Centaur has been dragging the wave or last hitting for him, so not too bad.
Basically, nothing was lost with that TPing.
Also, the Terrablade is going to start moving top, middle, Kaori, wanded into an awkward position there, was trying to just lay out some vision.
Did manage to plant a fairly deep ward, but dies for it in the end, game is hard.
We were mentioning how good of a game this is for Storm Threat when it comes to catching
the supports and the carry.
You could argue it's more or less the same for the boys.
The only difference is the supports on Aurora, they have a little bit more disables, right?
Like you have the bush back, you have the ice pad, so it's not as free to catch them.
You know all TP mid, they might smoke up for this now to reveal the blink bag on Slaada.
Mira getting a grasp upon it yet again by no one.
Go to Zones and back, try less under the moonlight shadow.
He's walking in, has access to the ravage,
but he gets scouted by the tier one tower.
Aurora know that they have to run.
WS, let's go find Carlos on the other side of the river.
Got the vision on top of him with the Haze.
Got the right clicks and secured,
yet another Murana death.
It's a fifth of the game so far.
They're five deaths in 12 minutes.
It's tough, gang.
Super tough.
Considering that Mirana is one of those heroes that does have a little bit of
nobility built in with the leap charges but it's still not enough.
When I smoke up, Waitsbird and the Quadrow, they are shadowing triple S as he
moves back into the top side of the map. Ideally you catch Nightfall here but
Nightfall is already out, playing in a very safe place right now. And he's
backing, he's not gonna go back into the lane. He doesn't see any of these heroes,
He's like, yeah, something feels very fishy.
The Dominator Creep is about to creep Skip Top again, by the way, so we will take down
the Turtle Tower mid lane.
Blank, maybe Makoto, putting pressure onto triple S right now.
I still have Ravage at the ready.
He's pump faking it, making them think twice.
No one at the same time will jump onto the back lines, finding Mira.
Mira's going to be the one that dies underneath the Solar Bind.
TP out from Jakiro, Aether Revenant still on cooldown, so he gets to live.
very action-packed the first 13 and a half minutes almost a killer minute
triple s now with the consecrated wraps feels very comfortable posting up in front of the
tier one tower it's one of the rare heroes where I really like the item WS
Pop a long arrow, but there's still too much threat. Nightfall is here as well. They look towards 9 class and triple S. Bushwack will be there directly onto the coddle. 9 class is gone. Triple S will be allowed to walk away. Nightfall doesn't want to commit the chronosphere just yet. Instead, he will just combo with the team to ensure that they can secure the tier 1.
You could see that both of them were kind of holding on the ulti, the ravage and the chrono.
Nothing really happens if you ravage there. You're not killing the faceless void.
I think to kill the faceless void they actually need solar bind, right?
And the coral's ulti was already gone, so that extra damage just isn't there.
Currently, there's a little advantage for Aurora when it comes to the tempo and the pace,
because they do have a blink on slot.
They can play the map a little bit faster and I feel like easy is of executing the heroes is
Also on their side with a hoodwink shot shooter close the case
Triple S is gonna try and make this game easier for a squad by going directly into a blink dagger after the wraps
Shots of follow-up as well like you mentioned earlier. They need the dead in the water
One of honestly rare builds now on the tight hunter. Yeah seeing a blink
Everyone's just swinging like all of these auras these days.
Everyone is swinging, just blads into agon and scepter, sometimes you get a pipe, but
a blink became like a forgotten item on Tidehunter, as silly as that sounds.
Right now the team is just focused on this tier one medal.
Aurora all smoked up elsewhere on the map, they might come in from the south side.
WS is leading the charge with access to the blink dagger, he sees Ducales not again.
Mokales does manage to leap away despite having corrosive Haze on top of him.
Still, he's being targeted near the chrono, catching both supports.
The Ravage will be there, stalling out the damage from the face of Void in a huge anger smash.
He barely manages to have Mokale away.
He will live WS now, finding the additional stun onto no one, but he has to back off.
Doesn't have enough damage to keep the fight going.
That's terrible, it has now shown off.
Zatanic wants to put out some right clicks.
But there you have lost their control as no one is being zoned back by Mokoto.
Kurodo is running out of mana, they ate the remnant, pulled him close, he almost died there, barely managing to zip away in the end.
Yeah, you can see, it's tangible, the lack of control on Radiant. They need... I mean, in the last game, it was very similar, I feel like.
They already need some ethos, they need something. The shards from... actually, okay, Titehunter has a blink and the shards queued up.
I really wouldn't mind the shard being purchased first. But if you buy the shards first, it's kind of hard to get there, the range is amazing.
But they need the extra control.
Eventually, maybe even some Kotolag, and I'm not sure, but something is needed.
Waterlane?
No one is in trouble.
Drop Shooter from nearer.
Just blast through him.
This is a deadly combination.
These two heroes, I feel like from minute 10 to minute around 20, always have solo kill potential, or they do a potential.
Botanik might also find himself being killed off here.
Only has the Kotolag in here to back him up, but Kairi finds the ice part.
There will be no Sunder instead. It's a dead, terrible Mekodo styling in this game.
7029 galvanized stacks for the Storm Spirit.
It was really close, like he was already about to lift his arms for the Sunder after the icepat.
The main reason why it was even close is the mech on the core.
It gave him a little bit of health, but still not enough.
702, like you said, nine stacks on the Storm. It was a free Storm game.
We are witnessing a free storm game.
Kota is feeling good about himself right now.
Already has the Kai Assange there.
He's chilling now, tipping the tier one tower.
So with that SNK, the king of fighters item.
Keep playing aggressively with Mira and Kairi behind him.
No real reason to play defensively here.
And they all are bringing everybody from Pyrovision to try and defend their triangle.
No one goes in first, like looking for Mira.
They'll be able to get the grab onto those hoodwraiths and they do find him.
The question is, how much further can they go? Drums will pop by Dukalis, they catch up to Kaori.
Mr. Kiro should be dead meat, held in position with the Solar Bime, allowing Satanic to get his own double kill.
Put himself back on the pole position of the network.
Pretty good play. They snuffed them out of the triangle. They do not have the tier one on top any longer, but at least they take control of the map a little bit.
It's terribly, like you said, top of the network, still farming pretty damn well.
And most importantly, they're finding some use out of their heroes pre-Agonyms on Witsbirt.
I feel like the huge power spec on Paravision is the Axe on Witsbirt and an eventual Shard on the Tidehunter.
He also has Blink Dagger, by the way, it should be flying out soon.
Okay, we'll see if they decide to smoke off the back of this.
We'll support Arkharingen.
Void Spirit. Not that far away from having a secondary charge return.
Ooh, that's a huge deal. They killed a courier that had the whole quarter staff ready to bring
parts of this witchblade over. A lot of damage now taken away from Makoto.
Unimagine was also activated. They're snorking these heroes.
They're looking towards them. Triple S is going to reveal the blink dagger there.
The Rhyme is catching absolutely everybody, but Makoto gets out!
Kona Spear from Nightfall holds the rest of Pyre Vision in place.
They're all going to live on Aurora. How the hell did this man make it?
Blink and you'll miss it. Just a beautiful save with the chrono as well in the end to rescue his teammates.
All things said and done, it's an even trade. A couple of very big ulti's used on both sides.
You could argue that maybe it's a bit better now that they take down the tower, but also meta was used.
So, chrono on one side, ravage on the other, plus meta.
Just a damn this was so damn fast.
Oh my goodness, let's slow it down. How much HP was he left with before he died?
A hundred HP, literally one right click. Everything touches him and he dies.
The fact that Nightfall was right there waiting with the chrono, manages to pop it in the end like...
Still was already out of course, but still. It was cool.
Like you said, I think they did manage to secure the tier 2 tower in that moment but...
Mm-hmm
Tannick what's he going for now nightfall is handling towards it DKB
Beneath his Mjolnir should be finished probably flying in soon and then satanic he wants a butterfly for himself
They're gonna corral around this bottom area probably as soon as meta is available
They want to try to take the tour me but Aurora realize this as well. They know that the meta is down
They're gonna try and fight right now. Nothing to wait for
WS, beautiful jump, they get onto the 9th class.
9th class is about to die to Makoto.
Makoto gets him, and now Zatanic might be in an awkward position here, chasing back onto the slaughter.
Triple S is right next to Nightfall, and he's been hit with a time dilation.
Makoto throws the other side, able to kill the other support.
The Colossus down.
Triple S is still standing his ground, but eventually he will fall.
And look at Makoto. No fear.
By himself, Zoning back two of the cores of ParriVision, and they can do nothing about it.
Triple S is so damn tanky with the concentrated wraps, but he still dies because Storm Spirit
is just zoning everyone else away from him.
And yeah, it comes down to the same thing over and over again.
They just don't have a solution for the Storm Spirit right now.
They still need to wait for the Aghanus.
The Aghanus Scepter isn't too far away.
He still paces in and he has 1200 gold, Aghanus Scepter avoids Spirit of course, so he's getting
there slowly.
No one. Getting jumped by Mikoto. There's a solo window without the agg in him's.
Mikoto, thinking extremely aggressively.
Not that far away from BKB either.
So what? Imagine he gets BKB. How far away is this? A thousand gold for the aggs?
He shouldn't get it. He shouldn't get it sooner than the Void Spirit.
Like, the Void Spirit should have at least one fight in him.
But, yeah. Mikoto, of course, having a really good game. He's getting closer and closer to the BKB.
They aren't going to be able to secure Roshan potentially. Aurora heroes are fairly far away, but that's not the fastest Roshan.
They have some minus armor with the gash. This is a surprising play. Like, there's Chrono everywhere. They have everything.
And that Shadow used up. Kauri gets some D-Wording on the Hydra. They are still going for it.
He goes into the Roshan pit with the Slotar. There's going to be the rabbit catching Slotar as well as the Jekiro.
One of them is down, but the Roshan is not Digius yet. Like you said, they still do have the Chrono.
For Aurora, I'm gonna bail out of this one.
They don't want it.
Interesting, even without Ravage, you still had Chrono, maybe they could've risked it and jumped in.
They had the Makropire, right? Before the fight, they could've maybe tried to blow that off, but...
Brother Sivton, sorry.
Now Aegis on Satanic will protect him long enough for him to finish off his full butterfly.
The bonus gold from the Roshan almost puts Void Spirit over the edge for having that
agonist.
The last part, I have to be honest now, the last part is super slow.
He was supposed to have it already.
I feel like this last 1,000 gold that he's been farming has been...
Keep moving!
Titanic?
Okay, Makoto jumping in onto 9th class, able to get away here.
Nice ice bar from Calorie to stall back some of the revenge play from Paravision.
You get the reflection out of WS, but should still be fine.
And now, Voidspread does have access to the Aghanims.
But unfortunately, these heroes are a bit too far away for him to employ that item.
They have two items, two big items that we talked about.
The Aghanim's on the Void Spirit and of course the Shard on the Tite Hunter.
So Tite Hunter right now is no longer only the Ravage.
Now you have big fat in the water.
It can be massive versus the Spirit, versus the Void, it's no Void Spirit.
We'll reveal the Aghanim's, Kaori as usual given us the sacrifice.
And there's a dead in the water onto Makoto.
This is Cheryl, there's no Ravage, but there is an Arrow.
it connects flush can they find him aether remnant misses okay comes through on the
second turn they do eventually manage to get this kill thank god no one had
access to the agonium shard as well barely but they do manage to take him
down that's a gold color squad I mean that's a look at the kill script it
makes sense is this straight-up high girl push that's okay looking for satanic
It has butterfly, mantel, and ages 28 seconds, no stone spirit, why the hell not?
What can they do about this?
Faceless Void is not even in the area, doesn't have a TB to come home with, but not enough
damage to fully threaten them.
That's just a lane of barracks.
If only one, because there's still quite a bit of that matter left remaining.
There's still no stone for 10 seconds.
Surely you just take T3 and back, right?
Surely.
Okay, we'll even do that.
They force out that lift, and they declare this as a very fruitful effort, 25 minutes
in, already a lane of barracks taken away from Aurora.
This was just some very precise gameplay by ParaVision, recognizing that the moment the
storm was that, there is no threat to the server lane.
I feel like even with the storm being alive, there wasn't really a big threat to the TB.
Considering you have a mech on the caudal, you have Ravage as well to back him up, no
BKB on the storm just yet.
our dear faceless void doing he does have it so the bkb of faceless void is there but he's
lagging now that he's got bkb he also needs an mkb versus the butterfly
ah he he he's sick bro now he's got one more item syndrome gave me time it's a bad syndrome to get
about to jump onto ws but yet again and this guy's reaction time on the slaughter hero has been pretty insane
They know that the A, the glyph is down, not available.
They're all gonna come in with the meta. 90 seconds still remaining on the Aegis.
Everybody is alive from Aurora.
But they're not all there just yet.
Faces where they're still farming elsewhere.
But StormSpray does have PK.
How fast these are going, Liz?
Does he have like an appointment or something? They're jumping in.
Finally they jump in, looking forward.
This TerraBlade TerraBlade is still alive.
Still alive, might help, he pulled away by the stones for it, they take life number one.
9th class couldn't save him with the 4th stop.
What happens on life 2?
I pop there immediately, they're going in with nightfall.
Kono is popped, there's a ravage, but PKB is activated by nightfall.
He only has eyes for the terraplane, and he is gonna get him.
Namakoto is free to chase in onto no one, bringing the voice for it down.
Everybody needs to run from the side of Harry Vision to Carlos under Vision.
They see him with the Observer Ward.
WS about to catch up, he leaps to the other side.
WS, there with the crush. Catches him, corrals him, kills him, they defend the base, they lose the range barracks, yes.
And finally, they bring down the terrible.
They managed to take him down. Something very similar was happening in game number one.
Even though Paravision didn't have any objective taking with their carry Phantom Lancer, he was dying the same way, right?
Like, they managed to kill him and then they wait for him with the ice bat on the respawn.
So, Jakiro just doing a lot of work, making sure that they can kill him twice in a row.
Going for that Aghanim's Scepter next on Kaori, of course.
More damage, pure damage in the Chronosphere world.
Coming handy.
My class, you could always like,
Oh bro, you owe me some Galvanized stacks, I'm here, collect.
It's good to go. You know these two supports on Paravision?
Like they're pro players or something.
They've itemized in a really good way.
Who ranked the highest in no one. Unfortunately, not really much you can do with the support against the agonims of the voidsperd.
Well, you know, a couple of items.
My keeper of the light and Mirana, the ghost scepter, the four stats, the aeon discs, can't come in handy.
Mirana, actually, going for an item that is...
More or less that. That's the E-Blade.
When was the last time you even saw E-Blade in a progame?
You really don't see it anywhere. Not even in prog. Just a dead item. But you're playing versus Chrono?
Can't be good.
Yo, pretty just doing this a minute ago.
I was thinking the same thing like that and relaxed.
Yo, you just hit the lane of barricades, walked up, take it and walk out.
Like a roller must be genuinely surprised, being like, wait, what?
This is the play they're making right now?
I mean, there is no chrono. It's one of the longest pulldowns in the game.
135 seconds. And even though Faceless Wood is considered like the best late game carry,
that's what's pervision right now are preventing from happening.
happening. They don't want to let this game go to Chiwars 48 minutes far. What did they say?
So Chiwars say 48. We went 45 and T1 60. 50 I think. He said 50. You want 60, you're not going to get greedy.
Yeah. 20 minutes away for that upper bound. Also I just went to check. In the entire patch, this
This E-blade has only been purchased six times across all professional games.
More or less it truly feels like a dead item.
The build up, everything about it feels a little bit out of place.
There isn't really a great justification for the purchase unless you're playing a game
like this one and you just want to save the target.
There are like two ways.
You can either do the E-blade or you can do the Wind Waker.
I could argue that Wind Waker is probably a better item in this case, but okay.
It's very peculiar to me that you know this is a 4-Protect-1 drop of Harrivision.
It's because they're this far ahead, two racks up, and there's still 3K gold behind.
Because all of the gold is just concentrated onto the Terrobate of Zatanic.
Yeah, keep in mind that they're just playing like a snowball type as well.
It's not only 4-Protect-1, it's like...
for protect one and let's just storm one lane after another.
They didn't really have a lot of time to hit creeps.
MKB more or less is close.
It doesn't need too much gold, like around 1000 on the faces for it.
At that point the Roshan will have returned and Paravision will definitely be angling to get that Rosh.
Secure themselves some mega creeps.
let's see one minute it will respond in one minute so kind of a pretty early
respond can you get 800 gold in one minute let's see
seems gonna have to buy him some time to finish off this item
widespread now also has access to the man's style so we'll have the ability
to pull off some more impressive fraud is dodges even if the disseminates or
actual step or dump yep the dodges and his damage output of course increases
Quite a bit being a universal hero benefits quite a lot from the man
31 minutes right now Aurora backs against the wall
Gaben is saying it's what 25% that they can win this
But it will start with having to deal with this gank that's coming towards them because they smoke up on the side of harry vision
It's easy. They can't find anybody. No one heading in the right direction
Direction just doesn't have vision on the high ground. So smoke on both sides
Okay, this Russian can be game-determined here. Absolutely. It's a crucial Russian
Five gold away from MKB on the face. He's so close
Parasma as well flying out to the storm spirit
Just bought it on the way from the courier
Okay
The Uber delivery is here for both the MKB and the Parasma, so...
It was a bit late, the pin was in the wrong spot, but actually it did arrive.
One night shadow activated by Paribidgen, they are out of smokes at the moment.
They still have two more, but they don't want to expend them all so quickly.
Pari chilling on their hydra.
Marana?
Marana gonna get caught to Kallis.
Woo!
Disappearing.
Jucalus is literally half of the deaths that ParriVision have suffered in this game.
Yeah, it's rough out there for Mirana enjoyers.
You just get scouted by the slaughter, all of a sudden your time playing the game is over.
One of the reasons why Mirana's die so much is because of the skill build as well.
Like everyone is just maxing out Starstorm and you're keeping Leap at level 1.
You kind of die quickly. Illusion is in the pit. The scout stings.
I don't think they let this go.
Yeah.
Titanic also just finished a Daedalus so the damage output is very high.
One of the drawbacks of the Murana dimes so much is that she's relatively low level.
Comes back into the game quite fast.
We at this.
That's always the best silver lining.
Low level, respawn fast, cheap buy packs.
There we go.
Smoke up from Perry.
I'm gonna try to go for the full wraparound gear against Aurora.
This is a full wrap, okay? They're not gonna take this path uphill.
They're gonna go all the way around for this one.
The way they're pinging makes me think like they were going high ground.
At this point, and I'm talking about the pace, but no.
Puttwink?
Puttwink will break the smoke, seize the Void Spirit as well as the TIE Hunter,
able to get to the low ground thanks to the shop, to the knockback.
We do put in Corrosive Haze out onto triple S.
Ice path is there as well.
But they're trying to zone them back. They have no real interest in pursuing this fight.
So the stalemate will continue.
Just a beautiful heads up way from Iran, knowing where most likely the smoke was coming from breaking it and also staying alive.
Okay.
Just going to deal with these illusions.
They're on a wolf now though.
Okay.
There is a sentry very nicely placed alongside an observer, so the obvious paths are blocked
off from them.
So we'll see which path they decide to take.
Kira?
Kira?
Oh no!
Waitspirit!
What's with assassinate the jikiro?
Okay, now things have changed.
You have a numerical advantage.
You might have to buy back on this jikiro.
He was so close for axe as well.
They're great.
Oh, Zatanic!
He's gonna find himself getting stunned off.
Lakoto's directly on top of him.
There is a ravage to try and stop this, but BKP was activated by Lakoto.
Satanic does get the thunder, but it won't matter, because Nightfall has the crono!
Kills both him and Nightfall!
Now Nightfall wants to continue the fight, but no, wait for it!
With the Astros step and a huge silence!
He kills Nightfall!
He will get caught back by Mikoto, dragged back into this fight, but they can't hold him in position.
He jumps out and survives.
Mikoto forced to zip away now as his DKB expires, the same is true of the slaughter.
They did some really good work, they did bring down the terror blade,
but losing Nightfall is a huge loss for Parrivic or for Aurora.
It's a massive loss.
This fight is not good for Aurora.
Why is it not good?
Because the moment faces what it responds,
he will not have Chrono for another minute.
Meanwhile, Terriblade, like he has Meta,
he will be very happy to just straight up go into the pit.
Most likely, that's what I expect from them.
Roshan is changing spots, of course, going down bottom.
Actually, so good for them that he's going bottom,
because they can start slowly by slowly pushing
in this bottom wave, and then engage the fight
when they're ready.
Yeah, Aurora, right now, they have to fight some generosity.
You know, that little sparkle genius.
Here's a spot perhaps going onto my Antloss.
Managing to bring him down.
No one will not be as easy as a customer.
Still alive, has a big raise when she held up.
Yeah, that wasn't really what I was talking about.
But yeah, Slardar does fall.
No one put a lot of pressure onto this map right now.
5, 3, and 8 on the Void. He's gonna go for the Shiva's Guard next.
I'm not gonna up for the big damage.
He's gonna leave all the physical damage to Satanic, who does have the full Daedalus,
Butterfly, Hurricane, Pyke, Serrated, Alerts, Serrated, Shield.
Cool story, bro.
30 seconds without a trunel.
Okay, but they might still fight you.
Jump in onto the high ground. No one able to separate this fight.
Silencing absolutely everybody.
Mira gets forced away, almost died, but now Makoto dragging triple airs back.
Okay, a macro fire, the burn from Kaori, this agonim scepter, proving its value for the jikiro.
On the stairs as well, right, like the perfect position, the ramp.
Can Storm snatch this? I feel like he's going to jump in.
Chrono by the way is...
Five seconds.
Five seconds.
Kaori does die, but it's five seconds, Chrono.
Is he gonna go for it? There goes the Stormsprint.
He's got it! He's got the two hero, Chrono!
Terrorblade has gone alongside to Carlos!
Put in the tips for Makoto, cause this man is saving the game for Aurora.
What a grab from the Storm Spirit.
He got it. He got the Aegis.
The Chronosphere as well was just perfect for a couple of kills afterwards.
That was game by the way. That was game deciding right there for Paravision.
If they could get the Aegis, suddenly you aren't afraid of dying first to the Chronosphere
and then you can fight again without it.
Usually that means that the face of Swit's game is absolutely over, but the delay from Aurora was just perfect.
This year, the Kaori with the Agon Inceptor actually delaying for quite a long while, SSS dying in the Mechropire as well.
It was a big deal because they're wasting time on P-Vision, right?
Like they're wasting time, they're not hitting Grosh while this is happening.
All of that makes sure that face of Swit has the chrono and that Storm Spirit has the info to jump in.
That also might explain why his attendance is so desperate to go back into the pit, right?
He knew that the Kronos gonna come back soon.
You have to get it right here and right now, but oh, Lakoto!
Whoo!
Yeah.
Shout out, Lakoto.
What a playoff.
You can see why the Paravision wanted to end this game a little bit sooner, right?
As time passes, as time goes on, Faceless Void and Storm Spirit, they do become stronger
and stronger.
Faceless Void now with a Lincoln Sphere as well, a little bit more of a defensive approach,
protecting himself from the Thunder, from dead in the water as well of course, and the
Hex the Titanizer has recently purchased.
How many times in your life have you been two racks behind but almost 10k up?
It doesn't happen all too often, I'll tell you that.
With Faceless Void though, I feel like this is more or less according to the script, the
hero looks really damn bad until suddenly he does not.
Also now I have a hex available on Makoto, there's still no BKB on this
Terriblade, no BKB, there's no Lincoln spheres in the game, not even a Lotus
or nothing to protect him from being jumped on by Makoto.
The BKB still feels sort of bad on Paravision, right? Like whoever buys it,
they need it but at the same time you are playing versus a Chronosphere. The BKB
on its own usually does not fare well versus faceless for you.
And you have the agonist macro pie now as well, right? So you're still going to eat all the damage instead of Chrono.
Yeah, but you still need it. Like you said, Hex on the Storm Spirit, on its own, is going to force it out.
Taitan is also going for the BKB. So, two of them are being queued up for Paravision.
Two BKBs queued up and one Lincoln Spirit on Boits Spirit, so...
Kind of a similar approach. All into defense right now on Paravision.
Tier 2 tower in the top lane. Looks like that's going to be the port of call for Aurora.
Liquid fires are being spat at it.
Makoto is putting in the right clicks. 19 galvanized guys.
The thing is, they don't have the Aegis on store, and they can't force things,
but I feel like they don't even have to be super aggressive on the side of Aurora.
I think these heroes still scale quite well through the game.
Faces what it is not in his good old refresher orb state just yet.
Unfortunately, Lady Sheeva, we regret to inform you that your prediction is wrong.
We are now beyond the 40 minute mark.
She was the 48th.
Was she 48th?
Who was 40?
45 was we.
45 was we.
Alright, map that Lady Sheeva.
40, Sheeva and 50, I believe, was the...
I beg your forgiveness.
We are...
What are you talking about?
We're coming for you.
We're coming for you.
No one right now is almost there. He actually has it.
He bought out for you. It's not going to save for the fight.
I'm just going to go straight for the Lincoln Sphere at this moment.
Always dangerous, but in this scenario, you're playing versus an Aegis Storm.
If he jumps, you're probably just gone.
He also changed the mind of the Tidehunter.
Instead of going for that DKB, he's now killed by the Great Waker.
Okay, so a little bit more team-oriented than only himself.
Churchfully expected, perhaps, the Wind Waker from one of the supports, but...
Alas...
We did not get them, we got an E-blade from the Mirana, which...
Okay, you can perhaps say the target, but...
They're going to be 30% more vulnerable to magic damage, right?
In the Chronosphere, that macro-pire might just do the job.
It's pure now, but still.
Aegis is going to expire in about 15 seconds.
Mikoto just going to play his luck, move around, zone backs and heroes,
open the space so that the slaughter and jikiro can finish off at tier 2 middle.
He's just fishing.
Do we have another picture of that fish?
Aegis now expires. A lot of work has been done through this though.
That's a long 5 minutes for parry vision.
Absolutely to control the map set up some good vision good wars, but look at
Very vision like they want to smoke up move out
No ages, of course. This could be a good moment. I already though looks like he's gonna be the one that breaks the smoke
Happy to die for this one. WS who wisely decided to let us compete your time
Keep in mind the terror blade does have a BKB and he has a blink so he is able to
absolutely commit with the teammates the idea behind the blink is if you're thank you thank
you production that's exactly what we meant Makoto finds Akalis poor homie d-blade will save him
for now but WS does already have the nullifier goes in with the moonlight shadow but it will not
help they have more than enough vision Makoto is not gone just yet he's still going going directly
on to triple S. Running out of mana though on this hero, Mira gonna go in, find the break,
they have the damage with WS coming in from behind, securing a double kill for himself
and a death on the tower, on the timbers, tight on to him. Close, that one. One of the T's.
Yeah, the break of course, always a good thing to have against the tight hunter. We didn't really
see it's come in full effect earlier but there you go 20 galonized stacks on the storm spirit
going agonins next by the way level 25 of course as well with the double overload attack bounce
pretty nice with the agonins too with the shard face this way this wall 25 20% backtrack chance
so once Mikoto gets that axe we already have the Hunters boomerang from this uh this hoodwink
Just imagine like if you get a full Chronosphere everybody caught with the Aghanins, Hunter's Boomerang flies through.
It's a lot of bonus damage for sure.
Hell on top of that the pure damage macro as well.
And we have multiple Aeon discs being built up by Aurora. Jakiro already completed his, hoodwink is going for one and as well as the Storm Spirit with the full Aeon disc available.
They're basically... oh, okay.
Kronosphere coming out is going to be catching the voidsper. He has no escape and no buyback as well buyback
Okay, they saw him coming. They had some vision. They
They had some detection the jump is given now of course to attend by the voidsper
This is a disaster
It's it's not good Kronosphere did get used. So maybe there's a chance that they can hold without him
I'm not really sure just how much Aurora will pressure, because Roshan will be responding pretty quickly.
Any sort of a high ground move right now is dangerous.
Bottom lane.
Cotol.
Taking off danger.
Karthus is in danger from Mikoto.
And Hiro as well, who has shown up out of nowhere.
What about mid lane?
Explained there's also some danger here, but Karthus should be fine.
We'll be able to get out.
No real jump.
It's two minutes until the ages respawn so that's pretty bad for Aurora. They can't exploit this timing when two heroes are down from the side of Peri.
They lucked out a little bit with the respawn timer as it's, like I said, a little bit longer.
More time for them to farm. Faces we're actually going for Axe next. Not too bad, of course.
Jumping in, stunning everyone, going back out.
That reverse time-walk is kind of crazy. I can't believe it was a shot for so long.
Especially when you combine it with Hero like Stormsphere, right, like you're able to jump in, jump out, you can decide whether to use your Chrono or not, you can bait out a lot of big spells.
14k net worth lead for Aurora, still haven't been able to find some real estate on the high ground just yet.
Hoodwink quit. Look at the quick buy on Hoodwink buy.
Max take out E Blip Blip.
Oh, that's so funny, Makoto.
Zipping down bottom just to cheer up these creeps.
And they're just pushing it all three lanes at once simultaneously.
You know what, like this build on Hoodwink looks like a meme and it sort of is, but the damage output
in the chrono versus
the turblet is quite nice
And Dagonal gives you some cast range as well, which was always nice on Hoodwink.
It's like one of the best things that you can get from her, so...
You have a very long range distance, pushback.
The main, WS. Getting exalted by no one.
He's still alive from now. Nice next monster, WS.
No one is gonna get eviscerated dead without buyback.
Triple S will not be able to help him.
Has Ravage available, but he needs to run away.
Thankfully, he's juking and jiving through the trees.
Nikola does have vision. The Ravage does finally come out, but the A also...
It keeps him alive, faceless boy trying to get into this fight.
He can't arrive just yet.
There's a solo bind right now on to the starter.
He can't get up to him.
Lakoto is going to zip very long range, looking for the Tidehunter.
Tidehunter TP's out, lost second.
There is no way.
Barely survives.
There is absolutely, this is illegal.
It's illegal that they only caught the Void Spirit in the end.
It started off so damn well, like the Ravage saved everything.
Faceless Void, he was zipping in, he was using his time walk to get in, and the last 10 drill catches him, so he doesn't get the chrono on the Turbid or on the Titanium.
Now they're gonna get themselves at the very least, you know, as a consideration, you know?
Compensation, they're like a least-get-a-reach.
Compensation, yeah.
Compensation, yeah.
It's a pretty good compensation, I can't admit. They have the refresher already on the Faceless Void.
I was hyping up his axe. I'm kind of happy he went for the Orb instead.
Double Chrono wins games. At this point, I don't feel that he needs any extra damage.
He just needs to be able to Chrono-sphere people.
Okay, Rihar was wrong. Shiva might still be right because Mikoto with the massive Zirte also bring down to Kallus.
They don't call GG immediately, so looks like he's the only one that's left in the game.
game if they win within a minute it's gonna be kind of even right between
48 and 50 but whoa how do you feeling gang it's a hype game we're kind of
blessed with this series you know like we had a lot of alchemist quapkis 24
7 loan droid as well so it's kind of nice to see some normal Dota being played
And also very strategic right on one side you have the ravage or you have the ravage you don't have it right now
Yeah, that's on the other you've got the double chrono this game looks
In like it's in a pretty sweet spot for Aurora I
Still can't believe we got to those points. I mean they had lost racks 25 minutes one layer of rack
I thought he'd lost two lanes of racks in yet. Here we are
20 minutes later
still going at it
But this could be the end of the game right now.
With this Aegis in tow, the Cheese, the Refresher Orb, the Refresher Shard, they have everything
they need and crucially there's not that many buybacks.
No buyback on the Void Spirits though, he needs a kill first to get the buyback and
the same is true for the Cuddle.
It's truly the way the Faces Void works.
This hero has always been very slow to start things off.
If you're winning the early, the mid game, the enemy team is doing something wrong.
So, Paravision really exploited that, they took two sides, but they couldn't capitalize
on the last one.
So Faces Void, this is the natural flow, the natural state for the hero, and where he is
the strongest at.
What level is he?
Level 27, so not that far from just completely maxing out the hero, sitting with a giant
small in the inventory, backpacking the BKB, so strong.
backpack BKB if they could find a way to break the lincoln's and insta give him with one hex
it could give them an opportunity to follow up after after the ages has been claimed but
it's so damn difficult here we go tana dropped down sending some illusions to try and deal with
them but nightfall is not scared lincoln's gets caught trying they dropped in with the void
spirits get the silence out and they force a BKB from nightfall that's a pretty big deal it is you
You can't refresh it, by the way, you cannot.
So we kind of have to just let this Roshan's banner get taken away?
This push might be over.
Seems so.
Well, for 70 seconds, right, after 70 seconds, he will have the BKB once more,
and another push is inevitable.
Unless Peruvian makes a move of their own,
it seems like they're trying to make some sort of a wrap around.
Okay.
WS is going to show middle. He does have an Aeon disc, DKB, so not an easy target to jump.
Wait for it to show for a second, but they're not going to full commit.
They back off, they play safe, they realize that Aurora as well is no longer paying as aggressively,
but as I say that, Mikoto goes right back in onto triple S, their Hexle comes back towards Mikoto himself.
He still has Aeon, right? Even the Aeon disc did not get propped there, so he's completely fine.
How many Aeondas are we going to have for the rest of the tournaments?
A lot, a lot, a lot, specifically because of, if nothing goes the Queen of Pain that's being played.
I feel like that, it's such a good item on Earth.
Nightfall.
We'll still look towards this Agni Inceptor.
Three minutes left on Aegis.
Our game at that point with the Ultra carries are basically six-lotered, right?
almost terribly by the way as well is getting closer to the agonist blessing
It seems to me like he might buy out if he finds the gold for it
Terror wave not too bad considering the heroes that he's playing against some a we silenced, you know versus the face is void
fear actually
It would be cool if like you could cross this last one
the fear
Let's not give Icefrog any ideas for a Terrorblade, like this hero is strong enough as is.
It would be cool though.
Fifty minutes and a half, he's still having Aegis for another two minutes.
Makoto zipping in the two heroes that are getting caught inside this full mightful proctor.
Krono he will, he catches Westburn and Triple S, but the E-Blade, the E-Blade helps us save for now, but no one will still eventually die.
die. Triple S, the less access to the ravage. And there's TerraBlade getting
jumped upon by WS. He's getting bashed. There's no target for a Sunder.
Satanic might just die here. Finally gets a Sunder from Ducales. That'll keep him alive.
They buy back on the boys when he's trying to break up the fight on the
pack and I don't know what nightfall. Fights a secondary Kodo. He's gonna catch them to the TerraBlade.
D-Blade saves him for a moment, but that moment will end. He dies.
Does have buyback available. Will utilize it. It's handled with everybody else.
Kauri left behind in the face doesn't have the maneuver ability to get up by himself
Will eventually die does I fire back at the same time WS going back to the player
They want to die back stay kill him off. They get the huge zip. They get the huge catch
GG is called Aurora
They have done it and just like what happened to the undertaker and WrestleMania for Paris vision the streak is over
51 minutes and 30 seconds, that's all it took for the Faces Void to finally come online.
This is the huge power spec for him.
The double Chrono in the end was a little bit too much for Satanic to deal with.
Like he even baited the first one, blinked out, he was like, he moved out of the Chronosphere,
he was able to kill the Storm in it, but Faces Void, 15 minutes in, way too strong.
This is what we want to see, ladies and gentlemen, a late game Dota, congratulations to Aurora
for being the second team to get us into a playoff spot.
And I want to find out from the panel,
how bad do you feel that your prediction of the time
was literally just one minute off?
I can be very honest with that, Snair.
I don't think we really mind at all.
No.
This is a very, very cool game to watch, actually.
A lot of cool moments in this game,
facing four of the coroners,
makes it more hype to watch.
Can't deny, can't deny that.
I do think this game lift up to its potential.
Yeah, I mean Aurora, right?
In the early game, I think,
Mccolon or Stoneman opening up a lot of the early moves
and then you fast forward a little bit longer
and then suddenly P-Vision walking down the lane
and they're taking two racks, you know,
what the hell's happening?
And then the clutch potential will avoid late game.
I think both teams really played their heart out,
but Aurora, they just had that kind of simplicity
of the late game and they had the discipline
and execution to make sure they converted on the fight
when it mattered.
I was thinking of the battle, yes, satanic did make all the correct calls, he got the
racks, eventually he just crumbled to the face as void, which is the ultimate carry
of the league game, but I did love this battle of like who's the better carry.
It was just a treat to watch, it got so far into the game where you're looking more towards
other players on Peeves and whether Wind Waker is in play, whether E-Blades, could you find
ways to manipulate Nightfall when he commits to the Chrono? They had eventual E-Blades,
but I saw like Triple S who just didn't have the scaling in his build, he could full short,
he had Puncture Crane, Rats, Blink and Hex at the end of this game. You kind of wish
he had one more item, because that's what they're missing, they're missing the extra
little oomph, like a random halberd, a random Wind Waker, a random something to try and
threat in nightfall. Could have made the difference I believe on the
the fight hunter with the refresher maybe? Also true, yet that's a great item as well.
I mean it's all the small things that's why like at this stage it's like buyback
manager and how they want to take the fight, where are they taking the fight.
Here the Terrier had to use the Thunder already early on so then he dives to the
second Coroner, he even jumps into Killijakiro but he has no buyback and of
course the storm is very agonist. It's like a black hole in the leg game. It is a treat.
But yeah, Aurora just playing this incredible Dota 2. 100% not going to blaze Nightfall
because he's in the room, but just an incredible counter.
No, no, no, I would say that in terms of MVP or standout player for this game, would it
be Makoto or Nightfall without knowing that he's right there?
I mean, because he's in the room, obviously, no, I feel like Makoto does so much for this
team based on like his early game aggression like when you had Aurora moving between the
standings and different iterations people of course like to look at Lorna from stuff but
Makoto as soon as he's back on the roster playing like this like he is an incredible player like
what he can do on Puck on Queen on Storm like the actions he does on the map he is the reason why
you get to see Nightfall get into the late game to choose the fights he wants to fight right so
I will lean towards Makoto, even though he's in the room.
I'll say the same. I feel like Mikoto made the game change in place.
Nifo did play extremely solid, yes, but Mikoto was the game changer.
Well, we can add Nifo to the panel. I believe he will appear.
Next month, hello, Nifo. You can take place on the couch. Congratulations on the series.
No, sit here. You want to sit here?
Okay, all right. Welcome to Chad. All right, move me out of the way. There we go, boss.
I mean, he doesn't know. The corner seat is the most comfortable. So you're absolutely right.
Hello, guys.
Hello. Congratulations. Once again, I have a question. Rather, I would like your reaction
to something Kiritich says, because Beto was the other team making it through the group stages,
out of the group stages. And we had Kiritich on the couch. And he said,
Nightfall was the best carry but he added a little statement he says but not
this event what what could he have meant by that what's your reaction to that no
idea I mean it's kind of I mean I'd say I've not been for sure even close to
best but maybe just a reason like you and like this one yeah just and what
he meant it's hard to tell because I feel like a lot of my heroes right now in meta and it's kind
of like very easy for me right now to play and yeah I'm feeling good. Really good. I also had a
question about this series overall and we felt like the Slardar played a big portion of all three
games right now and I was wondering if you felt the same that there was definitely the hero of
the series and how you feel about the hero as a whole in this patch? Yeah it's kind of very good
and strong hero, it's first pick and you just kind of win against everything.
You just, this hero also enables his team, that's just violin lane and then this hero
is kind of enables his, I'd say, pose one to carry game. So, yeah.
I want to ask you, how do you feel living against Slardar?
Against who?
Slardar.
Ah, sorry.
I mean, it really depends on what they play.
But it's not much heroes.
But if I play Windranger, I don't really care about Slardor, they're just kind of shit on him.
I notice you do like Windranger a lot. I see you play it here, and I see you play it in pubs a lot.
What attracts you to this hero? Why do you like this hero so much?
I mean, at some point I just saw some people winning with it last patch with Shackleshot,
and then I went and played the Billion Pups on it, and Billion Officials, and since then
he's just kind of my hero, and I played well, even though it got nerfed after a patch, kinda a lot,
but then it got buffed two times, and I think the hero is kinda alright now, so it's nice actually to be able to play this hero,
because I just enjoyed playing this hero, it's nice, good spells, you can solo kill people, you can flash farm,
and also the look in a little bit, like, especially with Arcana, this feels nice.
The last thing I have to say is Miki did buy Aghanim on Winner. You do not buy Aghanim. Any reason for that?
What do you think? Feel us level 30? Is this good?
No. I don't like Aghanim.
I feel like it's kinda trash.
It's a scam item.
You just buy casual damage items, Daedalus, Spike, Satanic and you're just a monster.
I agree.
I mean, this item just... I feel all the Aghanim was kinda imba, but this one, I don't like that much, because you eat.
This Aghanim gives you, when you hit MS, but you still use even two spells, for example Q and ULT,
and you already get MS for like 2-3 seconds to be able to get Gap in fight.
I don't see the... like you spend way too much gold, and you don't get any damage, and also survivability.
I feel like it's also, if you have no BKB, you are aghanim, and you play against good team, you'll just die, like it doesn't really matter.
And also this aghanim, I feel like it's also hard to use it without dragonlands, because you don't have needed other cransh.
Speaking of Gov'n, well, I, no, I'm just going to talk about aghanism.
So in game two, you opted to first pick the Phoenix instead of Slardar.
Do you feel like now after playing game one and three, do you think in future drafts you'd actually promote Slardar higher than the Phoenix,
based on kind of the pacing of the game and how these went?
I don't know, honestly I feel like Game 2 we played really bad.
We had Timber in such a free game and we just didn't really come to his lane and play to his lane.
Even though I thought this game we had like every core on our team,
like he's happy playing against contestant enemy core.
Like when Ranger top against Lager, Lager cannot do stuff to win-win in mid,
and we just need to come at some point to Timber and not let the scath with Spartress and Ring of Hell just stay his lane.
I mean, I think also we could have last pick maybe different hero
because like
something with the setup and I think it also could make sense and
Game will have been easier. Okay. Yeah, and my final question Aurora again
You've had a pretty decent year getting second place in top sixes
Do you think that like your current form like do you feel like this is the tournament that you can lock in another grand finals?
Potentially even win it. I feel like it's inevitable that your roster is gonna lift the trophy at some point this year
I mean, at some point, I mean, at some sense I can agree with this and for this tournament,
honestly, I feel like this tournament, no one really playing good, like all teams like playing kind of bad,
including us and the bad boom, and it just kind of going to be the, how to say, speed race,
like who will like figure out and become better.
Yeah, and for winning tournament, I mean, I think we have good chances in this year to win at least some and
Is this?
I mean, yeah, I don't really like how we play either. So I hope we play better and flow
Yeah, some people would say that they are playing better the more they play and you guys do make sure that every single series you go to the third game
You win it at the end but more games more experience therefore maybe you'll figure it out faster than others
Nightful, thank you for taking the time to talk to us.
You are welcome to exit again, enjoy your team, and enjoy the final two days before the playoffs.
We're doing whatever you choose, which probably will be Dota anyway.
So, enjoy that.
Yeah, it feels nice to have two days off.
Thank you guys.
Thank you.
Thank you as well.
And it is, of course, Aurora and Bedboom making it through to the playoffs, having those two days off.
I actually wanted to sit here.
So, I'm not going to make it.
Finally.
I wanted to cuddle we are I didn't think nightfall just
Chad me out of my own seat, but it's okay. I'm happy here
But nightfall also touches upon some teams playing bad
We could take a look hopefully at some results because maybe some teams potentially have been playing a little bit worse though
We are expecting we're gonna start with the stream where you've been watching all day. We of course see
Pet boom and Aurora making it through on those final two series with the gamer Legion making a 2-0 of a spirit
It was also very impressive. Heroic 2.0 and VP, also very cool.
Any other thoughts on Stream 8?
VP bombed out.
In my opinion, I feel like they did not even close to their potential.
They seem to have some maybe miscommunication problems, maybe some...
draft problems, emotional, I'm not sure.
But this is not how the usual look like.
No.
You want to talk about the other one? Yeah, you do. Yeah, we can take a look at Stream B because...
First of all, it's still going on! So not everything is set in stone.
just get that side. But what we do know is that our first team, our first eliminated team is known and
PeeGov is your next defending champions. Yeah, and Navi did it in pretty fun fashion. They had a mid
night stalker against the puck from the mid lane. They didn't have a brood mother vs terribler matchup
that can really go both ways depending on the pacing of the brood versus the scaling of the
terribler. So it was just an incredible best of three. And then both of the Chinese teams losing
in their best of three. Again, not eliminated, but kind of pushing down the pecking order,
always a little bit spooky with Velahia. But again, we only saw one elimination at the moment.
I currently believe Tundra and Malta are probably still playing, as you can see from the LED behind
me. They only just started. Yeah, yeah. So this is perfect timing for people at home.
There is still game going on. It's not right here. It's on our secondary stream. If you're in
YouTube, you know exactly where to go because navigating that, you know where to find it.
I told you already, and I'm sure you'll clever enough tomorrow. We'll be back here with the mainstream
We're gonna have a slight change in terms of only three series per stream rather than four
So a little bit less there
But that just means that the stakes are a little bit higher for all the teams still
Participating here as we have at the end of the day will have two out and two in
Tomorrow we'll have another three out three in whoof that goes fast doesn't it?
Well, this was the end of the day for this one.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
I will see you back bright and early again tomorrow
for more Dota 2.
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