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[A] Aurora Gaming vs. PARIVISION - PGL Wallachia Season 8 - Group Stage: Round 3 High Match (2-0)
04-21-2026 · 8h 41m
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That Dark Ascension here, it's a little bit risky.
Oh, jumping over Nisha.
Very brave jump in, why?
Still barely alive, but not for too much longer.
His eyes fast with you, nothing is on top of Shiro.
Try to jump in, but the face he's eating, just blocking her for the magic damage.
He'll go down. That's a very tiny bomb.
But just try to escape. Don't lock him down to bird.
Triple kill for Mikkei.
What's that month, XM?
Has a 0% chance of survival by the looks of it.
Jump, XM.
He's right in front of Mikkei.
They do jump in with a big Avalanche cross combination of the two heroes.
But XM is down anyway.
If he does die, Jonathan, but nobody else has really taken that much damage.
Maybe Miki, he's got an Aegis up first.
They do play him the first time.
Shiran jumping again, shrine, but here comes Aes, with the rolling thunder,
running over the dreams of beachy gaming.
This is a huge moment for speed. This has to work. It just has to work.
The victim gets initiated on. He's gonna get Sonic Wave deleted.
Fade gonna try to counter initiate. Ghost has shown up as well, Fade.
Nothing to go for the epicenter. Finally, Ghost is there, sticking a lot of damage,
but the damage being done to Spirit, all in turn as well.
Yatoro dead to right, and the Ravage finally comes out, hits four heroes,
and big anchor smash to follow. Fade drops to the deck.
Speed will be next, and out Ghost on the run. He's very tanky,
but he's gonna get some help from RCY, another lifebreak onto Panto,
But finally ghost killing street comes to an end and our CY left to his own devices
Oh here comes Grimstroke. Oh missus. Oh missus. Laura gets told by the Phantom's embrace on two as well
Might really get a double as a result of this with the ink school that ensures it
Meanwhile, our CY did live through the day
Collision imminent
Nuclear launch attack at RCY, RKB. Every horse is Yatoro out as well. They're going to punch up the bird though.
RCY is in a lot of trouble trying to get away with the grappling club and he's dead first.
They're going to focus down Laurel though so it's a 1 for 1 to start this out. BKB's running out.
Bet you.
Able to get some heel action onto Yatoro, licks him up a little bit as well. Very delicious.
He still has ulti on Yatoro as well. Only used the BKB there.
I love the confidence from RCY to pulling him here and get vision.
Oh, with the front deletion evidence. Oh my goodness nullifier applied as well to back you he goes down triple kill for a ghost
Oh boy double crush onto the high ground
But I'm also trying to counter-initiate here RC white with the DKB at a toss from those
Deletes the frog the scorpion is next. It's in their nature. You see three deaths per spirit
And now appears to be having to be used a game. Religion can just kite them where fish can
move basically trying to catch up to the tiny they have the vision rcy is here as well the toss
up goes gets away just in time with our moon guitaro dead panto as well back yuke you are the last
remaining member and this is going to be a team wipe
It's a solve for him.
Swashbuckle on King Jungles.
He's going to be tough there.
Save for Light.
Looking to start things out.
Whisper in the area.
They're going to...
Ooh!
He gets stuck in the wall.
Oh my God!
That feels awful!
And he's still stuck in the wall.
And completely...
After the Slaura game, that is tough to watch again.
The epicenter combo, Tomato dead again.
And the toss up on Saberlight.
He is dead again!
Oh, this is such a disaster, this fight for VP.
Four done, Abed left all alone.
Remnants away. I mean, he's still not safe though.
He's just surrounded now, silenced up, trying to kill off Phantom's embrace, but he gets burrowed.
And that's a full team wipe.
They just felt lost.
There's the rolling thunder from KJ.
They get the Avalanche, they get the lasso, everything onto Abed, he's dead, no way to get back in the game.
Tamato, death number 11, and Gigi is called, disaster's game from VP, but very clean.
I don't have to see him.
Smoked out.
Jogging a game on this rank.
Oh.
Right.
Yeah.
You might just call it, eh?
If that's how we're going to play the game, we just frozen do it while we can.
Maybe they can find nothing to say, though, and they do get an Aegis.
Then they're onto Exnova.
Exnova does go down, so they haven't managed to get something out of this.
In fact, nothing to say somehow is still going to die.
They're making it happen! Of the strangest fight engagement at XXS is it?
What?
At least for a screen.
One lane XXS was spotted.
On the unblockable go for a PKB, but there's no way to TP out of this.
Fortunately, XXS is just forced to die.
We'll go for more now. Hookshot's off the mark for FY, but it won't really matter.
Wukong's was committed a dark matter. He's taking the full epicenter.
They aren't trying to burst down, at least on Mega, but the Black Hole once again, Frank, he caught everyone.
Miro and the Ember Slurred, they can they kill Miro? Yes! At long-lost get a digital
joint in the grave as well. A double kill for Mal-Ree. As GPK is forced to run, they do
have a dead in the water though. However, activate the BKB, dragging this anchor. He needs to get
out of here. Don't get entangled, don't get hacked. Unfortunately he can do neither, and he ends up dead!
Best last carrier in the game. Even though, as I say that, Sanzer has it killed up.
Oh, same, goes in, actually stalked the initiation out onto a follow round, trying to rolling down to a GPK.
Soldier Guardian will be there too, Mal'Reen is the primary target and he's gone.
The fair was trying to finish off Roshan, Ritten goes into the Roshan pit.
Unfortunately though, they get it on BV Team, the kill and the Aegis back on Kiddetage,
snaking the supernova Wopop on the outside, but the stuns mean nothing without follow-up damage,
so his team is still being eviscerated. They even bring down the bear in the air.
There we go.
But there, gonna get held in position.
I'm able to do anything.
Unfortunately, the Baron might just die again during the Starbreaker.
Don't be so...
I'm still alive, but Kiritsch does kill it all.
Amar trying to fight with any of his own pit of malice, but he dragged back in.
Look how unafraid they are.
Whose pit of malice is this actually?
Earth's fight from Sade onto to both of them did.
Snakey trying to do the best he can from the backline,
but Nero comes in with a solar guardian.
You're dead.
You're definitely dead.
All right.
Are they in there to shoot here?
They're now fighting at the triangle as well.
Ursa is in the middle of all of this.
Just 20 seconds.
Ethan's probably calling for a momentary pause.
Five seconds with Dark Ascension also to be up.
DNA trying to get in brains with that epicenter.
Watson's there, but then he's in the thick of it.
They are focusing that there really well,
and that Watson there is about to die,
but the Pocco already gone.
the buyback too and it's not looking good for Gendex at all. Navi are running over this fight.
Everybody clustered up like that. These warlock bail bombs coming into play with big strength.
There's so much AOE. Dr. Juice with a triple, you could chase him all the way with that DKB
act. They're punched down another. PB also cannot stop the movement from flying. It's only going to
go backwards. Still won't have that final for a couple seconds. Dr. Juice has also called for the
the roof. Now turning in for a proper fight here. Junior's losing this battle heavily
to Gop the Gears and they're bringing in the numbers. Big flip coming in as well. And
Nico with a setup. Watson so gets the Thunder. Everybody's this on on the spot. Substract to
the base and Naughty will take out three. And maybe look for a point. The Enchanter's
trying to TP out. No sir. But roof's only up in a minute and a half and they don't
know that a boot has a D-M-E. Oh we got a pretty nice Thunder as well. Quick reaction
there. Seeing that the smoke is coming in, well at least we didn't know that it was going to become a smoke but he reacted super fast to it and Gandex are scrambling.
Wachsens trying to hold his ground, he's done locked through, gets the Sunder from his ally, from Malady, and he's trying to do as much as he can but he will also run out of firepower eventually.
And four major land final runner ups are eliminated from the tournament.
The thoughts were enough.
Did you see how big the stack was?
It was 1,300.
Yes, getting caught up right now.
11 agents to play around with.
But finally you were caught.
We looked at the eye clock, got a very nice Sonic wave, pushing all the heroes away from the egg.
something that burst onto the left track and also connected onto the cancel as well.
On the far side of the fight, Caz is dying, but the channel here keeps the Tannic alive.
Now instead it's going to be U9 for that ends up dying.
No one controlled him perfectly and Caz is now ready to turn around and get the Tannic
into the fight.
He brings down Kailori.
WS is right next to no one with Makoto.
The SSN gets the start on Makoto preventing him from easily killing with no one.
Finally no one does die, but Makoto will have to sacrifice his life for it and nobody is
left that can heal with satanic he is going ham he's got himself an ultra kill
15 minutes and a half he still haven't ages for another two minutes
Mercurdo zipping in the two heroes are getting caught inside the school
might fall apart the bow know he will he catch his voice print and triple S
he bleeds, he bleeds hopelessly for now but no one still still eventually die
triple S the less access to the ravage then there's terrible blade getting
jumped upon by WS he's getting bashed there's no target for a thunder satanic
The fight just died here, he finally gets a thunder from Jucalus, that'll keep him alive.
A buyback on the point where he's trying to break up the fight on the back of the line
or not, what fight for?
Finds a secondary Cordo, he's going to catch up to the terraplace, he plays, saves him for
a moment, but that moment will end.
He dies, does have buyback available, will utilize it, it's handled with everybody else.
Kaori, left behind in the face, doesn't have the maneuverability to get out by himself.
Will eventually die, does have buyback, at the same time WF going back to the player's
They get the huge zip, they get the huge gas. GG is called Aurora.
just when I said that Timmer couldn't die they almost killed him
They don't make no sense, he just can't go into the field and right back on out of the buyback.
That's simply to do with the Vortex pulling into RE, they caught one of the saviors out of the back.
Kostalis, very dropping there with the chemical rage keeping him alive for now.
Very close to the point star connecting and he could die, got him to die then.
I might face the same situation, another Vortex play.
Kostalis landing with the stun, ice path to follow.
Snowball comes out in the middle of all of this hate mayhem.
I don't even know about someone else, but anyway,
Cristalus dies.
He only got high, he just bought back straight away,
and now Boombroaning onto the back line,
going straight to finish off that Phoenix.
He rules, comes out,
just in time as the knickers die to try and get away,
but he won't be able to skate, learn off.
Tundra being pushed all the way back to the fountain,
again as these Tier 4 towers are falling.
The last major land finalist winners
about to drop if they can't hold.
Two heroes down,
Concussing on the Medusa, desperate to get the kill on Chris Collins, but Peter, despite it for his life, is it enough against the rapier? No, sir!
Maus will withstand.
Greetings Dota fans and welcome to PGL Valahia Season 8.
You should have already been watching, but yesterday was the Elimination Station.
Incredible matches across the board, and we're going to be talking about that before we get into
more incredible matches. And your host Richard Lewis joining me on the desk. The morning crew,
my favorite duo. I love you so much. Ignore us. In the morning, you have to do things to get through.
Cheers to the morning. To the morning, actually we've never done this. To the morning. I've never drank coffee. To the morning
It's a good Dota we're seeing every day for some reason. It's a good start of the day. Oh some reason. Lovely coffee, right?
Anyway, it is Jenkins. It is Lacoste.
Guys, seriously, we're gonna talk about it. They'll probably bring it up on screen production and good like that
But we had crazy results yesterday. I want to really highlight this. Why are you tundra not here anymore?
I don't know something fishy was going on with tundra
I and I don't know if it's the stand-in situation if they kind of ran out of steam if it's the patch if it's
Winning too many tournaments because like these two teams Yandex and tundra like they've been winning pretty much everything
Yes, the one Birmingham the lock. Yes, season seven dream league season 28 the dream league season 27 and Blastland 5
All these tournaments have been won by either tundra or Yandex
Yeah, I mean if you were to say to me, these would be the two
Three teams I would say no way it really is sad that you've relapsed. Yeah
One stand-in to it's like and it's it's v-tune it for tundra
It's it's not really like a credible excuse to know that bomb out zero three and yet. I has dm. Yeah
This is the roster they had when they won this tournament. It's crazy
easy. You know, the one team that is now still remaining that I think nobody expected, given
the disarray that's going on in their roster right now, is Malus. But they got it together
yesterday. They looked really good, very dominant in the game three. Like, to me, when I saw
that it was 1-1, I was like, okay, Tundra, like, they threw a game. They're going to
stop now in game three. But it was kind of the other way around, actually, which is just
not expected at all. Yeah I mean just it you know look my mouse when we say
disarray on the roster let's be clear what we're talking about we've got a
stand-in and we've got a retiree someone who couldn't be further from like you
know I'm done. This is how this team has played pretty much this is how they won
Balakia as well with stand-ins so it seems like they like this kind of a mix
Well, they don't seem to like to have stable roster.
It's their power up.
I don't know if you ask Cristal us that.
I don't know.
Yeah, we like to play with different players all the time.
We don't even know who we're going to play with.
I think it just has to do it.
He's just in this situation where that all lives are very good at adapting.
So that's a quality to have.
And also, I think the teams that went through, I'll just say it.
I think out of all the teams I've watched,
the best so far. Yeah, I
gotta agree. They're very
creative with the drafts.
They're very aggressive. It
seems like they're playing their
old style of Dota, focusing
heavily on the lanes every
single time, 10 minutes in
there, kind of in the lead, and
they're putting a lot of
pressure onto the enemy team.
And a lot of very interesting
drafts, a lot of different
heroes that everybody else
has. Yeah, very, very creative
and well executed, but also I
think is we talk a lot about
We talk a lot about tempo and teams that play fast and get all up in your face.
Beppu have been, you know, it's exciting, honest, Dota as well, you know, no cheese, no weirdness.
Yeah, this is kind of a first for them too in Milwaukee because even when they won, they kind of slowly made it through the group stage, under the radar, nobody was really paying attention to them.
were like mid to top tier team, so it is unusual for them to look like the top tier team, at
least in terms of historical values, so I'm curious to see what that looks like going
forward for them.
Yeah, but enough about the teams, shall we talk about the meta update?
Because there's everyone at home, I'm sure you know, you're super intelligent, you're
on Reddit, you're all 10K MMR.
We've been following how the game is actually developing because we're at the start of a new patch and we had an update in the middle of Birmingham, which again, that just created chaos, now we've got the stability to really see what works.
And so, Jenkins.
We can theorize what works.
Yeah, fair.
I wanted to look at some stats from the previous Wallachia compared to this Wallachia
and
Just theorycraft with you guys like why this could be the case because wanted to show wow in six nine that that's it
Yeah, that's I know you what's funny about the Holocaust. I don't know. What is this reference?
But yeah, you know the the I thought maybe the Rochon's have something to do with it
I think I really wanted to take a look at was the difference between radiant and dire
58% to 42% is an insane difference like
You've a 10% chance higher of winning if you're radiant like what are you talking about and it was like roughly 50-50 between first pick and second pick
So I think part of it is the fact that
There aren't like really broken first pick heroes like there were on the previous patch
So then the matchup of like what side you get matters a lot more, you know something like that like well, yeah, okay, but
I've looked at numbers like this before with teaguff right and he gets really granular when he goes into it
And he says stuff like you know look you can't really judge it until you get to the end of the tournament because it's too much like
variability when
Not so great teams play really really good teams and it can skew the numbers and the difference between 10 percent and 2 percent
For instance, you know, that's pretty big
So yeah, it's not an 8% difference. It's four times. It's a 400 it's a 400% difference, right?
Like I'm trying I'm trying I'm being crazy about devil's advocate voice
We can come and maybe double check that in the next couple of days as well to see like if the stats actually what do you think?
I
Like have you seen the change of the way teams play around tormentors as well?
We don't see like we saw some of the teams so far in the last three days where teams are like not going for tormentors
immediately we saw teams going for tormentor and a lot of the times in the previous patch people would like always kind of get the
trade at least the better teams now you will see
teams that we saw yesterday in one of the games where they got the tormentor and then they also got a like
Immediately inter Roshan there was ravaged to stolen out and then they took a Roshan fight as well
So it seems like teams are trying to fight for both of the objectives of all at the same time. Maybe it has something to do with that
Sure. Yeah, I mean like I said, I had no
Um,
Stake in the game like it's, it's, uh, I agree with the, this idea that like stats are sometimes skewed, but also
Like anecdotally, you also can say like clearly on the previous patch, there was like four big heroes, right?
It was like Largo, SFVs, like really, really bullshit heroes.
And I don't think that's the way that Dota is right now.
And it's like also, like you said, the way the game sort of naturally plays out now is that you can kind of get the one to punch
of like the tormentor into Roche,
maybe because like the tormentor is so tanky,
that like the timing naturally comes later,
and then Rocheon is on your side again,
once you've taken the tormentor, it's like-
And that actually makes sense.
It's little, it's little details like this,
sometimes it's driven also by like,
many heroes play faster,
so therefore if Rocheon is on your side
at like the 10 to 15 minute mark, it's better,
because now Roche is on radiant for 15 minutes.
Like you have 15 minutes to take an early Rocheon,
That's really crazy if you're right in.
Yeah, I mean also the heroes did change it like we've seen good amount of Ursa in the previous patch
Like he was the one like we see we are seeing Beastmaster as well
He was the one who kind of took Roshan pre-15. These are kind of like two heroes that want to do it
Maybe you can do it with Slaughter as well
Shaman was super popular some people did it with Shaman plus Slaughter or Shaman plus some other hero in combination
where they can kill it pre-15.
Now most of the time you kill it post-15,
like between 15 and 20.
Yeah.
So you read my mind,
we can take a look at some of the heroes
that we've determined to be hidden gems in this patch.
And I mean, some of them not so hidden,
but some definitely surprising.
There's some on here that I was surprised
they weren't picked more.
I mean, honestly, most of them,
I do wanna make a special shout out to Venomancer.
I was watching speed video last night.
He was actually my boy speed.
And he was looking at nine class playing, uh, IO.
So I was doing a little bit of psychology.
I was like, what does speed think is cool about nine classes play?
And he got really excited about nine class, uh, picking up an early
polywog term by jungling on IO.
And I was just thinking like, this is why this guy is Venom answer every game.
Because we've seen him go zero, one, two on Venom and just jungle the easy camp,
jungle like the medium camp right by his his safe lane and like pick up early
neutral items because you can get them at zero minutes into the game now so if
you get an early neutral item and then you have a timing where like a wand is
also coming out on the courier that's some crazy power spike in terms of the
value that I think this is something that is very underrated having a hero
that can just kill the camps we saw it yesterday when he was playing Venom where
he went to zero one to build and just kill the camps as well this is something
That's definitely gonna happen more. I think this is the change that we don't talk too much
We people don't kind of notice the impact
But if you have someone like yeah, if you have like two neutral items
Especially the one that you said like on IO where you get polywalk charm
You gotta get kind of the double benefit because of the tether as well
You don't need regen for the rest of the laning phase. That's pretty much this item. That's crazy
You know, I'm gonna say you're dumb
We're talking about builds. Oh the builds. Yeah, I mean the people are trying some new tech
as well. We saw some of the heroes as well that look very good, but these are the players
that are setting them out. Of course, there's going to be nine classes as well, who is pushing
this Leshrac position for, and you can see he's always going for different itemization,
which shows like his understanding of the game, what needs to be done. This is something
that he tried prior to TI 2025, or sorry, where he was not a part of it, where he was
was playing Leshrac 4, Night Stalker 4, but he didn't make it.
And then you have King Jungles playing position 5 Zeus.
You have Tofu playing dead Prophet from a position 5 as well.
He also did manage to get a dub in there.
And also, Tidehunter being used as a flex.
This is something that hasn't been done in a very long time.
They did lose that game, but it still did look very good.
We're still in a meta where there's a lot of thank you heroes.
And when I just have another team fighting strong laner
that can't scale really well, that's why no one picked it.
And I also think one of the bigger changes overall
that needs to be mentioned is having access
to GPM enchantment no matter what.
That's what I'm saying, dude.
As a support, that's why we're seeing
these Greedier presented in 4s and 5s,
which allows you to scale up.
That's why we see Zeus, who has like Aghrim Scepter,
Kaya Sanj, because he can afford it.
Yeah, I agree.
I mean, I'm happy to be in a meta.
Like all of this and its implications
on the tournament are really cool,
I'm excited to go home play pubs play Zeus 5 and just build core items like this
There's a good meta for supports man if you're getting saunton kaya on a support position 5 Zeus and then it's I remember in that game
He actually was number one for hero damage like by far and I get Zeus is you know
He's old things so he's doing a lot of damage, but like his
Impact in the fights was tremendous his impact in the lanes was tremendous
Thanks a lot for that, but now we must talk about the schedule. It's a pgl event
You've got two streams, just for today, I think it's only one tomorrow, but we'll talk about that then.
If you've got the British Bro taking on Maus in the Basement Battle, rough one there,
but extreme gaming versus beachy gaming, one of the things that always makes me sad.
Every time, it's insane. They always bump into each other, the Chinese teams.
Like I was I mean what happened at the blast slam a Cheng dude
They like they were so close but none of the Chinese teams managed to get you to top eight because they had to eliminate each other and
I don't know. It's just a big meme at this point. They're gatekeeping good
Keeping happiness for the community. I mean, I always say this though on the on the one hand that
That's sad, but on the other hand, it means maybe you know, you get you guaranteed guy
going through so we love it.
I mean, the resurgence of Chinese though that we've been talking about it, you know, quite
a bit on the couch.
Obviously, there's this young upcomer XSS.
He's a really impressive young player.
Ten years.
Ten years in the game.
Not ten years old.
He's ten years.
They played a decade playing the game.
And then our main screen, this is what we'll be talking about over the course of the day.
Paravision versus Essay Rejects.
Actually, I'm going to ask you about those guys in just a second.
Team Falkens versus Game Illegion.
Team Liquid versus Heroic, that's the first series we're going to break down.
But these, you know what, Andrew?
You nailed it, man.
Essay Rejects, want to watch on day one, you said that.
They're doing it.
I mean they have Skowfield come on like this guy's
If we want to talk about nine class being this like trend setting like God tier
You know position for watch the speed video like he really respects these types of players that can play the efficiency game
And do these like weird things and add this chaos like Skowfield
Arguably is like top two for this right like maybe one maybe two depending on which team you're a fan of so they also have a dark
Magoo this guy is like the most insane player yeah I'm Dota glad that they're
doing it with their own style like Dark Mago he's playing Kunkka like nobody
else wants to touch the hero he's like yeah I'm gonna show you he's just so
violent he's like attacker like attacker level of Kunkka pretty much right so
it's time to talk about team Liquid we do it every pg of lahya they're always
there or they're about it's got to be said they are using a standing no boxy
a huge loss for them, but also I want to just focus on Ace. I don't mind doing this. I know it's not
a Dota culture thing, but I'm from a different world
There's a lot of pressure on Ace this tournament in my opinion
I think there's rumblings afoot that he might be replaced that maybe oh shit
He said it. He really said he really went there. Yeah, he did it. Yeah, I mean
I thought he was going to push his foot around it.
No, there's a lot of rumblings, there's rumors out there that he needs to have some good
tournaments right now.
I'm not talking about mimetically on forums, I'm talking about in terms of what Team Liquid
need from somebody in that position.
Unfortunately, Ace hasn't been the massive upgrade from Saber-Lite that they wanted.
I get where the rumors come from because he's had some rough performances.
you're playing on a team at the caliber of liquid, I think this is going to happen, especially
with the play style.
Oh, yeah.
Liquid's the biggest spotlight to play in, right?
But you know.
So some of his games, he has completely popped off, and I wanted to focus on like the type
of play style that Ace is really good at, and the way that he's playing in this meta.
So everyone knows Ace has always been like that or a bot, and if he can be in a game
where that's his role in the team, and that's how he's been drafted.
You know, he can have some crazy performances, like this Bristleback net worth 35k.
He was number one net worth in the game, like number one hero damage taken,
number one tower damage done, like this inventory is really crazy.
That was like a 46 minute game.
It's the same timing as the Underlord game.
That was also about a 46 minute game, and he's got like 22k net worth in that game, right?
And in that game, still he was like top three net worth.
So that's how good the Bristleback performance was for him.
So I wanted to look at the the the big thing that people criticize for ace
And I think it you could argue from the other perspective of like when he doesn't have a blink tagger
It means he's going for these like tanky builds and he's playing that frontliner that his team can play around
He's an 80% win rate when he doesn't play with blink
That's what liquid's win rate is when ace doesn't have blink when he does have blink they have a 25% win rate and I think
That's such a great stat to find
like really great great this is something that like even in this tournament by the way not oh not
overall not overall but this has this has been his play style this is how he has played he likes
these guys that run in soak up all the damage provides vision for the team still dealing the
damage being extremely tanky and then the rest of the team is going to come in but we're not in
meta where you're buying all these like crimson guards and pipes all the time and guardian
offlaners are building into different items as we could see he did manage to
you know switch things around I'm I was very impressed with the drums the
bongo boost that he was buying and yeah and he's done it twice yeah especially
against some of these slower lineup one was into Venom into Venom Viper these
type of heroes so you have kind of a soft reset in a fight for like almost two
seconds allows you to get in get out of the fight not just for yourself for the
the rest of the theme as well.
It makes sense on Priscilla because a lot of the time people are going to try to break
you.
Break has a duration and you can bongo boots and like you said, soft reset out of the break.
So inherently it makes a lot of sense.
I like ASUS creativity on like how to build in this meta.
I think it does make a lot of sense.
Historically speaking, between these two teams though, it has been heavily in favor of Liquid.
At least recently if you go back to the tournaments just before these ones
Heroic actually had some dubs, but those were like six plus months ago. Yeah, I mean
I think if heroic play like they did yesterday, they hit every single beat you would want everybody did everything
Perfectly near flawlessly if they play like that today
I think liquid looked a little bit flat yesterday as I said
It is tough because the liquid style of play is usually dictated by boxy going around doing this thing
He's not there eckey plays the same heroes, but not the same style
I I could genuinely see heroic blowing team liquid out the water. Yeah, I'm I'm kind of leaning. It's possible heroic
Yeah, I want to see like what the draft is gonna be sometimes they can be I would say slightly victims of their own draft
because
They put themselves in a spot where it's like a very difficult to execute type of a draft yesterday
When they were playing against Virtus Pro the last big keeper of the life it did work and they just they did it
They did it
But it was also because they had a very good carry to carry matchup
It was a very good life stealer game overall than they picked on 18
but
These type of heroes can potentially like lose you the game as well. You had Zeus 5 on top of that
So they are very creative with the drafts
they do have. Second game that they played against Virtus.pro, it was pretty much a complete outclass.
They managed to kill enemy carry hero like 10 times in 20 minutes or something. I don't think I've seen
anything like that in a while, so understanding what the potential problem could be in a game.
Heroic, their shotcalling is a very, very good discernment.
And a little bit of interesting information about the draft. Liquid putting in Slardar first. Slardar
is in the most successful heroes you can have, but Ace hasn't played Slada yet this tournament.
They used him in the mid. It's a BlinkBagger hero.
Yes, exactly.
I do want to say one thing about the series yesterday between Heroic and VP.
And maybe this is not so good for Heroic, but looking back at that game, I went back and I
I rewatched the drafts and I actually think between between Bulba and caps caps just one like yesterday
Caps was just the better drafter agreed which depending on
The day it could be one or the other like I think there was some one time
They flexed pango away from mid because it was pango versus ember
I talked to Quinn about that matchup and he's basically said like a lot of people
Still think that ember beats pango mid and it's just not true
That's an old way of thinking and so the flex ended up with like they picked a sand king or something
They basically ruined their draft to do this flex away from mid.
SaberLite played the pango offline, and this is where you just have to be up-to-date on what are the matchups,
who's going to win the matchups, and for whatever reason, I mean, CAF's plays a lot of pubs.
This guy is grinding. He loves Dota. So when it comes to up-to-date meta knowledge and not just historic meta knowledge,
this guy is on the ball. But so is Blitz. So this is a tougher opponent today.
like blitz and they have like five coaches on this team so and so the ball
yeah are the ones that love to pick IO I think IO is also one of the more
underrated heroes in this patch this is the also IO Slaughter like I think
everybody who played Dota for in the last like five years or so they have
experienced this like with the insane amount of attacks speed and everything
that you got from Slaughter where you're getting like perma bashed insane
amount of control coming out from them and this time for heroic I do like the
supports way more than what they did have in some of their previous games
even though they've been winning I think this is a really rock solid core of the
supports plus you have a tiny as well on top of that a lot of control you can
always bring somebody down these are the type of heroes that IO also doesn't
like to play into because he can't use tether he can't use relocate you have
multiple ways of just stopping him. Avalanche is going to be very effective. It's an AoE aura.
You know that when they're tethered up together, it means that most of the time you're going to be landing it on two of them.
So I also like the fact that Harrog did understand what needs to be banned out because of Slaughter seems like they've been putting a lot of effort in realizing what the potential picks could be.
Removing this Windranger, which is really good.
I just wanted to see if it's going to be picked because it looked broken from most of the games that I've had him if
Well, it was like when we got back, I mean it was a long day yesterday, you know some of the games went crazy
We were watching like every match and it was like loan druid, loan druid, loan druid, it was like yeah enough just ban the zero out please
I was thinking about maybe the kez here also like life stealer look these
Against the the I don't know. I said that that's a really weird way of saying decent against Phoenix and
Against tiny as well
But we highlight this in the hidden gems at the start of the show. It's it has a crazy good win rate
On this patch. I didn't read the patch notes. I know it again. I will say no one reads patch notes
I'm not on kez. I will say
We had Kers, Mikke's Kers I should say. We had that at the highest point on the
tail list. Not in S, but the highest of A. Go ahead say it. I know you want to say it.
Say Mikke's? Yeah. Okay Mikke's. No I would put him up there.
That's why we're here. When we were doing like when this hero was first starting to get thick,
I said that he's the original kfc guy like he is the one
I made that graphic because I don't remember yeah
I I think he is the one especially because he's gonna be paired up with IO in this game and
It's a lot of buffs that you are receiving so I was thinking
What could they potentially pick to try to root because not many offlaners especially in melee offlaners meta
Do you don't want to be playing against this like you can't fair up even if you have like tusk
Maybe like dawnbreaker could be okay because they don't have like the real stuns
There is a bit of a silence that parry can't can't be annoying against it
But seems like they've found a way how to play against this lane
So they're gonna keep keep the distance and still have something
It's also traditionally one of the better heroes against IO again
We're going back to hero being tethered which means that it's gonna be always an opportunity for you to land a two-man black hole
Plus the lane is good. This is one of the best lanes that you can have with the nigma
I think both tiny and tusk are the best position for the two combos
But tiny is not played as a support anymore. So it's gonna be tusk
Yeah, if they can get out of the laning stage like it's very difficult to play kes in this game
black hole plus tiny damage is
Insta kill and between
Phoenix with the Sun and enigma with the black hole
They pretty much have all of space as well and against Io looking like a planet
So I think that's gonna be very effective here.
I guess the real question with the liquid draft,
which I do like so far, is the Slardar.
Slardar or Kez, it's an insane combo.
It just gives you damage throughout the whole game
to kill whatever you want.
It gives you Roshan, gives you-
But you just won't stop Jenkins full though.
Yeah, these are like two heroes
that have insanely high win rate.
Look at it.
0-1 mid, so it was just Nisha that they didn't want.
Yeah, only Nisha's played it mid.
Yeah, that's a weird position to be in, but to be fair, in their draft, I mean, I do think they need like a beefy offlane guy.
Well, Hero seems to think that they are going to pick a mid laner that's effectively doing the same thing, because I do agree.
I do agree they need something that's like on liquid that's like pokey and it can go in and be naturally tanky start the fights like set up for the team to get vision like ember is amazing at that.
Honestly like bristle is still in the pool. I think bristle is is okay like liquid draft is a little weird there other other than slaughter like what real disabled.
they have. Like, Kes silence for 1.5 seconds or whatever it is. It's not
where you take center. You give it to X and everything's fine.
Center's not a bad idea. It's all good. Yeah. Something something that's
giving a little bit of disable, but also something that can go in, you know, be
tanky. Dawnbreaker is not a bad idea either, though, because you can have
Kes going first and then he is like functionally tanky because the dawn is
there to to save so and then it would plus like IO healing you can effectively play the
casualty stop the black hole as well as soon as somebody gets black hole you pop it it's
not as effective as it was before with the agonim septurber you just instantly jumped
on someone but it would still be good I'm a big fan of this queen of pain ban I think
queen of pain would just dismantle whole liquids draft these are the heroes that don't like
to play into it even though you have like the damage but there's the killed queen of pain
There's also, I would say, a lot of focus. Whoever goes in first, these are melee heroes,
like Techies. He wants to jump in with the blast off. It's a setup for your avalanche,
for your sun rays, for your black holes as well. And they're just going to keep things simple.
I like this. I'm going to talk about this.
Wow.
Thai lung speciality.
Now I feel like you want to run Misha, not on the slaughter.
Yeah, you can't.
Because into Viper, it's really miserable.
This also blocks a potential Hosscar pick that could come out as Last Pick.
Which is another reason, I feel like Last Pick is just not good anymore.
Is that you always have these heroes that are really strong, that cause problems you need to answer.
So you can't just get that cheese like perfect Last Pick for your draft,
because you also have to answer something from the enemy side.
I agree, their draft is already done.
Draft looks good, even without Liquid showing the last hero.
I'm already leaning towards Heroic.
What what is something that does?
Fine against Viper. I mean wind is one of those but it's already it's already out. I
Mean I guess like are we snipering?
If you puck is out sniper. Oh, I mean
Man, who's gonna do stuff then though? Yeah, that's the problem. It's it has to be slaughtered
I think they that's why I said that I like heroic draft already more because I'm not really seeing that pic
That's gonna be like oh this pick for liquid is just gonna be causing so many issues. Oh, that's that's that's an old
That's actually good
Because this arrow is slightly forgotten this is one of them, I would say you like to talk about nature's profit Jenkins
I'm a big fan and I think this is the hero that could potentially try to break the lanes
So you don't necessarily like it's okay in the lane against Viper
But you could also just keep it to the sidelines try to outnumber them and then play from there
So team liquid they kind of found I did not see it
But I they definitely found something that could work
But I'm still looking forward to see this heroic draft play because it's a scary looking drive
I mean there was that period of time where
Nature's was like the ultimate flex for team liquid
Yeah, this is how they was DI, pretty much.
Yeah, exactly.
There are three people that just played it to like master level.
It was crazy.
It's a super interesting pick.
I mean, the Treants now get the buff from like his innate,
where they are gaining extra damage around trees,
and when they're around each other, because they count as trees,
the Treants have less health, but they deal extra damage to heroes,
and they have more magic resist.
So, against Viper, who's gonna be dealing like return magic damage to you,
Hypothetically, like this should be better against Viper and lane,
but it was already very good against Viper and lane.
And what I like about this a lot is it ups the pace.
Like, you know, we talk about like, Kez vs Enigma, this is a volatile lane.
Imagine Nature's Prophet team being into this.
All of a sudden Enigma doesn't look good anymore.
I'll ask, our commentators what they think.
We've got a Nature's Prophet Suns fan.
I seem to remember, wasn't there something about the mushroom head skin?
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The hot sauce is a bit meh, for being honest, but I appreciate you consuming it for me.
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Number one between liquid and heroic both teams two in one here at PG over the season eight
I think I pronounced that perfectly. I was very close for your production
appreciated that pronunciation as always. It's some interesting picks here. The
Kez Slurrr combo we saw yesterday, I believe, and that, you know, with
Kroos of Haze, this hero already does a ridiculous amount of damage on Kez. Now
you're adding in a nature's profit, so a lot of synergy from Liquid and some
wombo combo potential from Heroic. Yeah, I think this was a brilliant last pick,
actually. I agreed with what the panel was talking about, with Liquid kind of
being on the back foot and that they needed to find something really clever to end it.
I think this is, you know, like, we were casting a game yesterday where we were, there was
like a mid-cautal being run by Heroic, and that lineup looked a little bit, how to say,
unintuitive, I want to say.
And I think there was a chance that Liquid's lineup could not, not in the same fashion,
get to that point where you're like, okay, I think this last pick from mid needs to do
something really specific.
That was essentially where Heroic were in that game.
They picked the caudal and they made it work and I think Liquid's draft point is a similar
spot where this last pick needs to really solve some problems and I think Profit is
a very clever way of doing that.
It lanes well into Viper, it combines well with the global potential of Io, it uses Corus
of Hayes well and it gives tempo which I think is the biggest Achilles heel of Heroic's
lineup.
It's pretty damn slow.
Like they have nobody making moves.
Mid Viper, off lane Enigma and then your carry Tiny also wants to farm a lot.
So, I think this is the type of game where Nisha can really get stuff done, but conversely,
if he doesn't, I just think Heroic's line-up looks extremely powerful in the mid-lake.
How good of a hero is Nature's Prophet, right?
That's the question.
Like, we don't really see it.
This is the second game of the tournament.
It won, I believe second game, at least.
It was either banned or picked once.
I think it was picked once and lost, or it was banned once only.
So, more or less, it's completely ignored as a concept right now.
So yeah, I don't know genuinely. How could he survive without money bags?
Yeah, very that's a good point. Maybe profit lost less than other heroes because this
As fast it wasn't really that the other one was OP for a brief period. Yeah healing
Oh, that's so sick, but then they nerfed it to the ground and then people just took the gold one
Just because it wasn't the sprout. Yeah
Yeah, a lot of ups and downs for nature's profit. I mean, I this is a hero
I don't mind seeing and to the meta feel like like he said it helps with
Fast-paced type of lineups can be everywhere all at once
And it's hecky
Looks like he's gonna get first blood by KJ on the Phoenix which is the support of this tournament so far
And this is an insanely strong lane. This is why profit is important here
It's because I genuinely think the side lanes of liquid are going to need help at least top should need help
I.O. Slaughter on paper is a very good lane into melee cores, but Phoenix just negates this lane entirely, right?
Like you're playing off of the attack speed of overcharge with Slaughter to get bashes, but you can't hit
into fire spirit. So it's just like a complete hard counter.
It's the same logic when you put Phoenix against Tusk lanes to prevent tag team from mattering.
Obviously they're on the same team here, so that's not a possibility, but yeah.
I just I think this top lane is just a slam dunk win for Heroic, and then bottom is
is closer, but I do think the liquid should come out ahead.
Kaz against Senegma should be quite good with Techies.
So Profit is kind of the wild card of the game.
My wild card is what the panel talked about, which is Ace.
Yeah, Lardo.
He's had some ups and downs, as Whisper's
going to take a blast off to the face.
He'll be able to lock it off, and keep
getting some nice farm as a result of this.
But, talk to me about Slardar in this patch, and why is it better than it was?
Yeah, why it's better is a good- The win rate of the turn is incredibly high right now in the off-side.
I think he was like 14 and 3 the hero, so that's probably the most successful hero out of anything.
I
Feel like one of the things that helps laura is with the removal of facets
I think his was less important and he still his innate is still very good
Talking about that tag team with the idol on doing good amount of work will survive. Okay for now. Yeah
I
Feel like I'm missing the I
Mean it's all it's somewhat early days on the patch and in this tournament obviously
but it's just hard to ignore that good of a score line.
I think part of why the win rate is so high is also that
most of the games we're seeing play from it are by...
It is very, very dead, it seems.
He has Taser.
I can still up.
He's fine.
And gets disarmed.
You were right.
You were right, Shannon.
Always right.
Is he gonna trade?
No, yes.
Alright.
Good job, Shannon.
And your prediction is really on point.
Sardar will be struggling and will die and Io will die, oh never mind.
We got...
Oh no, it was unlucky.
Well, I thought King Jumbos was gonna hit that.
So you, out of the four you got three incorrect.
I mean, we've already established predictions of me.
We don't really go well hand in hand.
Yeah, who'd you pick to win this tournament?
I don't remember, which is probably for the better.
They might have been already knocked out.
I mean, to be honest, who would have picked Tundra and Yandex to go 0 and 3 though?
That is kind of crazy honestly.
That's the beauty of Dota 2, you never know what to expect, you don't have a team vitality
that's just owning it up, to that degree at least.
That's right.
We had a talk about that yesterday with like, it's almost impossible for that to ever happen
in Dota 2, to have a team that's that dominant because patches happen.
Teams get patched out all the time.
Patches impact the game so much more than they do in other esports, right?
Counter-Strike when you change when you patch something is generally something a little bit related to economy or maybe some maps get removed or added to the active pool
But or if it's counter-strike to nothing changes in years. That's right. They go from sub tick to sub sub tick
Very cool. I gave up on that. Yeah, I said I even stop complaining about that's how little I care now
So I'm proud of you. Thank you. You've moved on. I'm a long way. I've switched the slate
Same genre
Emma Ace here in the offline 27 and 10 so doing a very good job in CS in fact all three cores of liquid quite good
Yeah, I think the the CS or line for starter here is definitely very solid
Into the tiny Phoenix. I think this is better than expected and
He hasn't moved yet. He's level six
So surely you're going to look for some sort of pressure in either side lane at some point soon as
As Viper is not going to be really able to threaten your tower that fast? Yeah, he's going. It's toppling time.
Everath of Nature does quite a bit and Nisha joins the party. So Yuma, dead to rights, Ty Longdoe does TP and gets a Viper Strike.
We can see Io still connected to Ace. That is the big power of the Io in general.
Be able to brush off these Viper Strikes, not too shabby at all for Liquid.
I was going to say this radiant lineup reminds me of good old strategies from a decade ago
with IO Prophet Slaughter and then I realized the other two heroes in the lineup didn't
even exist.
That's right.
Well, Techies was introduced in 2014, I think.
So he might have been there.
Kaz, we've been so fortunate to be graced with his presence as of late.
Topa will be dying here to Eidolon.
Prediction?
He's dead.
Yes!
Got one.
to be able to steal a shrine. Ace gets the other, so Liquid get both again not as impactful
as the previous large patch, but still it's a very good boost. And it's a good very nice
timing on the aggressive move there, right, to pull that off and then be able to steal
immediately after clearly from meditated, of course, knowing that Viper likely wasn't
able to connect after what happened up top. Nicely structured here, a 1K lead on the gold
and a decent chunk of experience.
Both of Liquid's supports are almost,
or Io is level five, Techie's almost level five.
Look on the other side, Tusk level three and a half
and Phoenix four and a half.
So about a level lead on the supporting cast.
I'm thinking I'm going to take a beating now.
Io's with him though.
Are they going to Black Hole?
Yes.
They are.
Raptor Dance does quite a bit, though,
as Nisha takes out the Eolacore and Whisper looks to be next.
So in the end, Liquid, they take a Black Hole onto two
And they take very little damage. I think all of the Idleons died to wrath of nature. Oh, yeah, it could be either that or to
Echo slash or the raptor dance. I mean whatever combination it was that took them down made that black hole deal almost no damage
It's part of the raptor dance actually. Yeah, it might have gone off to it got off two swings before it got hold right yeah
And that is really really good news here for liquid. This is how the lineup is meant to function
All three lanes go well, you're bringing profit to plays, and now you want to keep this pace.
Io's almost level 6, and you can see Ekki's build here on the support Io is Max Spirits,
so he actually has a lot of damage.
He's running Sol Ring as well, this means he's going to be able to farm like this.
You can play the side camps quite effectively.
And it means when he shows up to plays, whether it's with Prophet or Slumber or Kass, whoever
he relocates in with, he actually does quite a lot of damage with these spirits.
So the relocates become lethal a lot easier.
Alternatively, he can just farm forever and get eggs.
I think itemization for Heroic is going to be very armor heavy, physical armor, you see how much they force it.
Who would buy an AC for example? It's going to be something that's not typically purchased for the hero if they try to go for something like that.
It's fine on Tiny or Viper can get it too. It's not all that bad.
but. And now Sheeva's feels, uh, I think Sheeva's on Enigma. That sounds kind of interesting.
75 extra AoE for Black Hole, and you get the armor.
Yeah. It's decent. It's decent. He can definitely get that. Although I think Whisper's goal
on Enigma in this game should actually not be to tank, I think he needs to take a bit
of a backline position in this game and rely on Titan Invipers to be the first point of
contact and then get a good black hole. Because there's no black hole cancel, right? Except
the either bash from Slara or the mark from Kez Froking, which is, you know, quite difficult
to get that one. I say black hole cancel, I mean BKB black hole. Until then they obviously
you have blast off if you get the right angle.
Yeah.
And Enigma, kind of an old school counter to IO.
Same with like the witch doctors and liches of the world.
Yeah, when they reload in.
Yeah, you reload in, you have two units kind of close to each other,
it's gonna be a better opportunity to get more people in that black hole.
That's Liquid grouping up towards the top.
I'm not sure if this is gonna be defended at this point.
Echie's almost level 8 on IO. He's out leveling his Slarvon.
He's about to get a holy locket as well. Looks like heroic do want to potentially defend
here.
Out of nature, Whisper down bottom will try to TP out.
No.
Will not be successful.
Not even close as Echie, he's getting gone on. They need this kill.
Eyeshort's hit, Sunray as well, Eki sidestepping it, there's the blast off the cancel, they do get the eye over at the cost of the Phoenix now.
The numbers advantage for Liquid, here comes Chicken, indeed, Nisha.
He's here as well, buyback for the Phoenix, has the Egg, micro strike applied, Yuma's in a lot of trouble, the Egg is placed, pretty good placement overall.
Yuma trying to walk it off, but he takes out in the end, Egg goes off successfully, but again the numbers advantage, still on Liquid's side, Tai Long.
Still seen with the corrosive haze, Micke just one connection and he's going to be able to clean that up, Echo Slash is enough double kill for him.
10-5 advantage, 5k lead already for Liquid.
Yeah, I mean this is just a master class of tempo, really.
Can barely put a finger on their plays, they're just making so many good moves.
It's felt like the only mistake maybe that Liquid made in this game was their early deftop in the laning stage.
But everything that has happened since then, they're perfectly leveraging the strength of profit.
This is why this last pick was so good.
He's part of 8 out of 10 kills, and...
I feel like if you put Nisha on more of, like, let's say a standard,
and if you're here, this game looks completely different.
Like, you're not gonna have this big of a lead, you're not gonna have half of the plays that you've made.
They know how to play this here.
And to me, the most impressive part of this is...
It's not necessarily how they play it, it's that they identify that it's a good pick.
I think that's a really big, how to say, it's a really big part of the game to have players
and coaches that can recognize the, you know, the one-offs because it's so easy when you
draft in Dota to fall into standard patterns, like you have heroes that you pick 90, 95%
of the time and then you have one of these that you run once in a blue moon and making
that call is, it's really cool to see.
I love when last picks... I mean, who knows? Maybe this hero is going to get picked a lot more in this tournament, maybe it's going to be played a handful of times.
And they just found the perfect game for it.
Sure did.
Lead continuing to grow now. The question is, what can Heroic do to stem the bleeding?
Yuma, has the Echo Saber going for the Shadow Blade, so very standard build overall.
And for the Whisper Enigma, has Drums.
Not sure if he's actually finishing the boots of barring, but yeah, link BKB.
And that's going to be the big power spike for heroic, but still long ways off.
Yeah, and that's kind of where we're at for them, right?
You have to play into this big, uh, this big a we team fight for a comeback.
You're not going to win skirmishes.
Profit IO just way too good at that playstyle.
So you need to be able to enforce a five to five and need to be able to, uh,
confidently win it.
And I think you're not doing that without a black hole.
And you can only really get a good black hole with at least blink
He's never gonna be able to just walk in against these radiant heroes and get a black hole off
I'd like this build from Ty long though. He's has vanguard going for the crimson
So we talked about how basically the entirety of liquids damage will be effectively physical damage. Yeah
Just a necessity at this point. I mean, how good is aggs these days on viper like I'm not seeing it nearly as often
No, I mean even if it were the old version, I think Viper being tankier himself is probably
not good enough.
I think you have to empower your teammates here because also I think Slardar is one of
Viper's worst matchups actually.
Anyway, in terms of like what offlaners can bring to the table because even if you have
X, if you get corrosive haste you could just die to Kez, right?
Like he's just going to kill you in an Echo slash plus ult.
So that wouldn't really work anyway, so I think it's better to try to get this team-wide
protection and mitigation.
This might actually be a better tanking item for you than Ag's in this game for that exact
reason that the burst damage is just overwhelming with physical.
Yep, makes sense.
But I do agree, it was probably a consideration, but I also don't know how good it is compared
to before, to be fair.
A lot of things changed with this removal of Fasus. Lots of mines being found.
Alright, KJ almost died. Might want to just chill for a little bit.
And Ace is about to pick up his shard, so we're reaching that point of...
The first point of critical mass for Slaughterer, I think...
A huge part of the reason why this hero is viable, even in pro games, is that he has this shard.
Obviously, with the bigger map and the amount of farm,
There's a lot of responsibility on every core to be able to scale and if this didn't exist
I think starter would fall off a cliff
Down the stretch, but with shard you actually are somewhat competitive in farming
Okay, they spotted and killed all right. They might not be done yet here now shard not quite there yet for aces on the way
Is Yuma?
Fine
Well, I still see the tusk though
Oh
My just full wrap around here. He's very bad
There's the crush and the snowball will only save him for a very short amount of time Yuma
So try to maximize his farm despite so many enemies being nearby
You can see the death so reveal for Mickey or the two charges on that bath that that boy. Oh, I love myself a bath boy
I don't know where I was going.
Jesus.
I like bath bombs though.
Those are nice.
Oh, I'm a good bath boy.
You actually take baths?
You bathe?
We don't actually have a bathtub, but I do like a bath when I am somewhere that has
a bathtub.
I see.
It's great to know.
Yep.
A good bath point.
Well, the lead...
I mean, it hasn't really been that much action in the last few minutes, but Liquid's lead
just continued to grow into astronomical territory, 12k at 17 and a half minutes.
I see...
Oh my god, he's dying from that?
Will he?
He's...
Oh!
Not quite.
Oh, shit, that was almost the whole one shot.
He just used the Echo Slash.
Oh, they find Yuma.
He gets off the Avalanche.
Okay, not wanting to go any further, it seems.
I mean, one right click might have been enough, honestly, with the wrath of nature coming in, but of course, do you have to worry about Whisper?
They are just completely bullying them off the map right now.
Yeah, I mean, Herok are just, they're kind of sticking together. The efficiency is not there at all, farmwise.
Right, because they know the moment they split up, they're just going to get killed by IO plus Profits, so they kind of have to play in this group formation.
The problem is, Liquid aren't even necessarily fighting them, they can just poke.
You saw there just a casual echo slash almost kills the support.
You have the Profitult that can come in.
There's always the risk of just a blink burst with Slardar and into disengage.
It's an extremely hard position to be in and play from here.
We'll miss the crush there on Slardar, so Phoenix gets out.
King Jungle's lucky to live.
But yeah, this this lead I just I just don't see how it doesn't continue growing liquid are playing
I'll say 60 to 65% of the map probably is in their possession constantly
And they have the non-stop kill threat to go with it. Yeah, this feels appropriate
The dota plus one probability. Yeah, and I think the 12% is whisper
Like it does like enigma
I mean, Black Hole, Phoenix, Egg, they do have answers for when the high ground comes,
but Liquid don't really have to push the envelope necessarily.
They can just farm the map, make the lead so astronomical that even with perfect ultimates, it's not going to do that much.
Hmm.
Question is, when will first Roche come to be for Liquid?
They definitely have a lineup that could have done it five minutes ago, if they wanted.
True.
I guess from their perspective they're like we don't need to take it and it's
the one-way hero come back is we group up and they kill us so maybe you just
don't put yourself in that position until you're very comfortable and certain
that the enemy team is not even able to contest you. I think in theory that is
the best play is to not go for Torm or Roche until you have confirmed that the
enemy team is too far away to deal with it. Like now, this is a free
because they're showing heroes top so I think this is really just textbook
stuff so you who gets the shard as kez arrives this will be a lot faster and it
will go to tofu so that is the active remote mine what does an MAD stand for
may accidentally die which is basically what playing against techies is the
whole game that's pretty good so those games aren't you you can only have one
mine at a time right so how does I haven't even played against this sister
got changed yeah it's just one you get one remote mine that scales with what is
it scales with your health right or your mana yeah your mana the more money you
have it's 40% of your muck max mana which currently is about 400 and a bit
430, maybe?
Okay.
Uh, 450.
That's a decent extra nuke to just get for free, right?
So how much damage can you theoretically do with
six items that all give Max mana?
Like, what's the most, what's the best item to get for techies?
Uh, just for mana?
Just for mana.
Uh...
Like a sheep or something?
No.
Wait, hang on.
So Hex gives 30 int.
Which is how much mana?
30 times...
Love this math.
Uh... I... That's not the highest mana item, is it? Is Bloodstone the highest now?
We can ask Chet should be T if he likes.
Haha. Bloodstone's only 450 as well.
Uh... I'm trying to find an item that is more than 450 mana. I don't know if there's one. Kondo is 450.
Oh, Ace might be in a bit of trouble, Yuma. Happens upon him.
There's a little bit of backup. Avalanche does hit. Snowball could follow punch as well, and that's a big kill for Heroic.
It might be their first kill in 10 plus minutes, I want to say.
Yep. Okay, the highest one item has to be Bloodstone. It all skips 15 and shim. There's your answer.
Six Bloodstone's techies. Relocates back. What the hell was that?
How is that where he was relocated? Either way, whispers the big kill as Nisha takes him out with the ult, and now Micky on the run.
Big ol' Raptor dance, Ty Long, trying to run away, but it's against a Kez, so that ain't happening. He has 20 spells, and now Yuma's next on the list.
Disasterous fight for Herok, despite having the numbers advantage. I mean, it was basically 5 vs 3, with the Io going down after the Slardar.
But Mika was Kez-ing.
Yes, Kez just can do that.
And they kez the hell out of him.
the crucial thing there is that he finds enigma it's like the one threat to Kaz and this game is getting black hole
I think aside from that you play his way out of most problems. You have to see the replay here
So yeah, ecu with the he's trying to save slaughter
Yeah, the most miniscule relocate immediately gets broken on the tether ball in your right-hand side here
Mickey's is killing whisper solo and then this is a super easy fight to play with haste run on Kaz
You just run things down one by one. You know, there's no spell stopping you
And a heads up cancel there from tofu as well. I didn't even notice that he had haste because just feels that fast all the time
I'll tell you if it going for it. Um, yeah, that might cost him his life. Indeed it will but
Liquid not gonna be too bothered by it. They have the ages for four and a half
yeah
And they can dictate how this game goes from here on out
How many risks do they want to take?
it's all about the enigma so back to our very riveting conversation the
discussion about techies mind so if you can ballpark it for me what is a if
you're six-slotted how much damage would a mind do let's say you have like three
and a half came on her maybe that's a bit of a stretch but let's say that what's
40% of that. It's like 1500. It's pretty good. It's a lot. It's pretty good. I mean that is also a
true six-slot build with high level and everything. Sure, I'm just scouting out for my turbo games here.
Maybe it's also too optimistic to say 3.5. Let's say 3k. I think 3k is definitely realistic.
If you have like hex bloodstone and maybe octurine. I guess a techie six-slot build does have both
Oxerene and bloodstone. So that mine is invisible though, right? But the one that gets placed on death is not?
I mean it just blows up. Yeah, but it doesn't really matter if it's invisible or one when you die. It happens every time.
I mean it kind of matters. Why? If it was invisible when it blew up you wouldn't run it. There's still a delay on the blow up.
Well the one you drop when you die always spawns and always blows up in the same time whether there's a hero in your fire or not.
it just explodes immediately. Yeah I know. So then it doesn't matter whether it's visible or not.
I mean I'm saying the enemy has time to move away from it when they see it
or as if they couldn't. If they couldn't see it but they knew it was there they could also move
away. Yeah but some people are dumb. Oh that's a good point. I didn't think about that. Yeah you
don't think about things do you? Don't think about obvious things. You're so right, Shannon. Vipers
in trouble. Pike is there any follow up? Yeah I think that TP out of the walrus punch actually buys
enough space so they end up only losing the tusk. I think kez slaughter is
actually just an illegal combo. It's just illegal. Like I feel like giving away
slaughter is one thing. It's a very high win right here on this tournament already.
I don't know. That was cancelled TP right away. There was a bash proc already for
ace so I guess you saw that. So Yuma will be biting the dust here. No teammates
It's remotely close as this lead just getting more and more out of reach for heroic
He almost has eggs on IO. He's actually buying it. How is buying it? Wow nine class
And nine class special, baby
It's funny that it's on Iowa that hasn't really changed since the on a days. Yeah, obviously it's been nerfed
Numbers wise it's been changed, but the concept is the same
Don't get to see that one all too often as Nisha now poking at the high ground.
Is it end damage?
Whisper has BKB and Black Hole.
This is the last stand basically.
You have to hit this.
If you don't get a good Black Hole, this game is just over, I think.
So let's see if they can do it.
They got to try to bait away to set it up.
Going around from the side.
Put damage onto the Prophet.
Yeah, but there is an IO nearby, and of course still that second life with the Aegis.
It looks like Nisha's courier died, so can't quite finish up his Silver Edge.
Did they have the recipe on it?
I assume, based on his quick-fire.
Yeah.
Alright, Hiroga, I'm going to try to get out of their base.
They'll find Techies.
They will.
jumping in is ace with a bkb able to take out the olacor and look at this making coming
in with a big rapid defense with the heroic. They don't have anything. What happened with
a black hole there? Did he get... Did it get cancelled instantly? He might have been stunned
simultaneously by the Kez, I think. Oh, of course. Kez can just stun everyone as this
is going to turn into a team wipe. This game is not even remote because I was expecting
much more competitive game, but I think the panel kind of hit it on the head. You as well.
Nature's Prophet definitely threw them for a loop. This thing felt like it just really pulled the liquids line up together
There's there's just so much
Brilliance in this pick. There's a lot of things happening at the same time
First of all, you pick something that's good for Starra to play with you pick something that solves problems for you
You pick something that ups the pace and on top of all of that you pick something that probably your opponent team isn't like
All that experience playing against in recent times right profit really
He really changes the game a lot in how you approach laning and how you think about moves.
So if you're not actively in that mindset when you're playing as the hero, you're going
to get surprised, you're going to get overwhelmed in situations.
You could tell Heroic were kind of flustered the whole game.
After they fell behind, they didn't really know what to do.
And I'm not saying it's easy.
I don't think they had many choices, to be honest.
But as you pointed out, they were plumping up a ton.
And if you are going to do that, you have to find the plays.
otherwise you're just losing on efficiency.
Whisper? Oh, cool.
He walked on top of the mine.
The mad.
It happens.
You mad, bro.
So how does that work?
You blow it up, and then you just instantly
get another one if you want?
Is there a cooldown after the fact?
I don't know.
I'm a respectable person.
I don't play techies.
As you know, in 20 years of building a clean build,
I've never played techies.
I respect that.
I know you can.
I respect that a lot.
And I can only see the sub-ability with one second
Yeah, I'm actually not sure.
Oh, Kaz is Kazin!
Yeah, he's trying to, but the four-step is actually a huge counter to Raptor Dance.
Yep, nice.
He'll get out, Heroic.
Now he can watch his base go down and shambles.
Uh, they're gonna smoke and YOLO fight here without Enigma.
Yeah, Enigma doesn't even have Black Hole anyway.
Ace does take a considerable amount of damage, but so is the entirety of Heroic.
Finally the enigma will spawn, but this is now mega creeps for liquid
29 minute megas that is not a common sight feeling a little game and gladiators. Yeah
Little bit different like we're used to seeing ace on more of an aura heavy hero. Who knows who's a just-in-profit?
True it could have been ace for all we know it could have been tofu
You're not looking for an opening. I feel like they just have to wait for black hole. It's eight seconds away
Even that the perfect black hole won't get you back in the game
Can't remember the last mega creep comeback we've seen
There's only one tier 4 tower remaining for Nisha
Looks like he'll claim it and it's heroic. We'll just wait for all five apparently
Or they're just gonna watch their ancient die. That's also a very real possibility for them
You should try to reposition just don't want to group up for this black hole
If his blink had 10 times the range, he could have gotten a 4 man black hole there.
Yeah, but Kez wouldn't have been in it, so he would have just hunted him.
It's like, borderline impossible to find the type of black hole you need here.
Look at Micke just being smoked off on the side, just waiting patiently for somebody
to go and kill this wave.
She's the opportunity, he's gonna jump and burst the niggas together with Slardar.
He's preparing here.
Micae and there's the Echo Slash. It's not quite enough, has to go back to base and now
Nisha, TPing, gets Viper Struck. And as the Phoenix dies, does have Vibeck with the egg.
Crush onto 2, as the Crimson Guard is activated to little avail at this point.
Eki in a bit of a weird spot, gets Adalanch tossed up. Micae is now in the midst of things.
There's the Black Hole. It's only under 1, but it's not even nearly enough as the Enigma
dies inside of his own hole.
They can't even kill a single hero man.
Now it's gonna be a liquid win in ridiculously convincing fashion.
This was an Omega stop as they say.
That's crazy.
40k lead in 31 minutes, that is.
I don't know.
That's a unicorn game right there in terms of just total lead and well.
They were very, very comfortable and clearly caught heroic by surprise.
This beautiful last pick profit.
And I think this is an interesting game to just in general see for the future of liquid in this tournament
They might have just unlocked some addition hidden hidden power here and we've unlocked Richard. Oh
You have some fun. I gotta say I haven't seen anything demolished like that since you ate that shawarma yesterday
It was
Unbelievable and and you know look in case of emergency
break glass, bust out nature's profit, and this is what Team Liquid can do to you.
The tempo was so high from the start of the game.
It was. I think for the rest of the tournament, whoever's going to be playing against Liquid
is going to have this hero in the back of their minds because this is the nature's profit team
for a good reason. This is how they won TI, and this has been kind of a forgotten hero.
I think like Fogg try to sell it to me saying that this hero is good. I didn't believe him now after seeing it in action
I do feel this hero has a really good place in meta. Even though he didn't go for you know the casual
Standard I would say even the spirit vessels in the mid lane try to gank as much as possible
He was just like yeah need nature's profit me carry and he does carry
It's for sure decent like I don't think nature's profit is a good enough hero that every team should start picking it
I saw a nine class was trying for position natures because the tree and now have free pathing in the trees
They can use them to like block camps and kind of do cool stuff there
But it's definitely good enough that like liquid can use it and
This is the cool thing about when liquid is like liquid prime and they're playing really well is that their pace is so fast that like a
A different set of heroes are good for them than the set of heroes that are good for other teams
You know if you're not able to set that pace if you don't have a laner
That's as good as Nisha at like playing the game and
Rotating and like not griefing his lane by making those rotations and finding those openings
Then yes, it's it's very good because you're taking an already fast pace and you're like
like multiplying that tempo, but if your pace is slow, like natures is just a multiplicative
factor.
You're going to slow the game down even more to the point where you probably just lose.
Like if this hero falls behind it, it does not look good and then you're lacking a normal
mid laner.
It's got to be said as well, heroic had the opportunity to take the Slardar.
We know that's one of the heroes that's right up there in terms of the win rates and instead
They prioritized the Phoenix, let the slaughter go over,
and I thought Ace, for all we highlighted at the start of the show,
very serviceable game from him.
Yeah, he did good.
He was laning with Io, which made things a lot easier for them.
They also did die at the start to both of them once, I believe,
because against Phoenix, he's the most contested hero
for a good reason, one of the strongest position.
Fives, you're playing physical damage core against fire spirits.
early on is just not as fun, but they did manage to stabilize in that lane and I also want to point
out the farming supports, like we've seen them farm in the triangle as well, like Ekki, he tepees
on the other side, he's starting to farm up stacking camps for himself, maxing out the spirits,
allows him to get the items and I think this is going to be the hero that a lot of other
position 4s are going to be looking into because it might not be the most fun hero to play, but
because you're just tendering to someone.
I know like many other position fours
tend to have a different play style.
It's not very interactive, but like even nine class,
he's the one who's playing it.
And that also means that everybody else can play it
because there is some fun factor to it.
We can do a comparison in the mids as well.
Obviously student versus master situation.
And...
Reminds me of that one movie.
Yeah, what's it like?
Yeah, it's got a type of bear in it.
It's some sort of bear, but I don't know Shrek 2 and yogi bear.
Yeah, I don't need yogi karate, your other kid.
The big difference here is the KDA.
Like each of these bills from Nisha was in a sideline
when heroic was trying to make a move in their lanes
and basically like completely shutting that down.
And Tylong had fine net worth.
He was chill in mid farming every single creep
Stacking farming jungle
But that's the problem right it's like viper
Cannot rotate to help you out so like viper versus nature's pop you have this interesting matchup where nature's
You have like 22 denies in that game or something like that at like 10 minutes. That's pretty crazy
That's not even why you pick natures against viper you pick natures against viper because this little slow snake can't
TP to the lanes and like counter rotate where natures profit can up the pace of the game
So it's like a two-factor counter to the hero in that way in a few games where the vipers are picked up and the lack of mobility is
Been a massive hindrance you feel it. Yeah, it's he's like luggage. He's like, oh, I'm gonna get you in lane
You can't lane against me. What if you don't? What if you simply don't love from over here? Yeah, exactly
We can take a look at a fight as well that you wanted to have 11 minutes, I think yeah
It was relatively early on where team liquid they have this global presence
they're going to be ready to bring in the numbers.
And I like the fact that both of the supports,
they're ready with the buybacks.
Like this is something that usually you don't see,
but they have vision.
They have corrosive haze onto both of them,
allows me ship to get a really good TP in.
And as soon as King jungles TP's in,
Ekki, who has relocate ready,
he's ready to match that buyback as well.
So here's very fast in that trigger,
knowing that right now,
like sure Viper is a tanky hero,
but they're also very speedy.
Every hero inside of Liquid
can easily get out of this annoying spell from Viper and then they can chase them down and you
have one of the best chasing heroes in the game. You have Slaughter with the sprint,
you also have this Kez who's going to be joining relatively early on because he has
partnered to play with, he does have Io, Techies as well with the Taser, they have an insane amount
of move speed plus you also, I think Taser is the best ability of the Techies right now because
it's the spell, it's a move speed and it's this arm and on low cooldown that's why people are
Maxing it and at that point you could feel that they just can't ping the fight like it's almost impossible
Have you guys noticed this trend that teams are really good at like if a hero is 10% HP
And there's a dot on them or there's some other hero that can like get the last it they leave them
They're really good at they're really good at leaving and just and it's it point
I've seen a lot you used to see that me like spirit was really good at doing that or for certain teams
You would see like one player is really good at doing that
But I feel like every single team that's high level,
every player is leaving a guy low HP.
I actually noticed that the other day,
someone was playing Doom, and he was on maybe 30% HP
when he got Doom, and everybody else didn't attack him
a single time.
Yeah, they just go, they go to somebody who's dead.
Like, they could have.
Hatch don't read this.
Like, there's no over-killing happening anymore.
And I feel like for a long time in Dota,
even though teams are very, very good,
we've still seen people are like,
Oh, I really don't want this killed to get away.
Maybe he has a wand.
No, they're clicking inventory.
They're seeing the firefighters.
They're seeing the wands.
They're calculating.
The calculations are there from all the players.
All right, gentlemen, it's time for a break.
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We'll see if that changes in a few moments.
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Hey guys, we are back to test the 7.41 knowledge with our players here.
Of course we have one of the biggest brains in Dota right now.
Mr. Melody from Yondex, how are you doing boss?
I'm doing just fine.
Very good.
How much have you looked at the patch?
How much have you memorized it?
Are you a research kind of guy or a just go kind of guy?
I think I'm both, spent quite a lot of time researching on the new patch, experimenting
some new stuff.
So I think my knowledge of this patch is quite good.
Fantastic.
Well, let's see if that is true in a timed environment.
We have three minutes to get through as many questions as possible.
Good luck to you, Arya.
Ready to go?
Yes, I'm ready.
Punch it.
Here we go.
Techies is now able to plant bombs mid-flight using blast-offs.
It's true.
True instant.
All right, next.
Which of the following heroes did not have a game-breaking bug at the release of 7.41 Mipo Warlock Chen or Rubik?
There's only one correct answer, right? Yes. I guess Warlock.
Warlock actually did with the
neutral item. He could insta-kill people if they were to close the catalyst one. That's...
Yes.
Prior to 7.41 the Tormentor could deal damage to neutral units. Is that true?
What neutral? Yes, yes it's true.
It was true? That is actually true. It was a change. Well done.
Void spirits, Aether, Remnant, Wichard, can.
False. What?
Just false.
False. Okay. Holy moly. We're moving on.
Which one of the following heroes cannot miss a pill units while flying?
Batrider, Witchriver, Dragonite, or Leon?
Everyone cannot.
No idea.
No idea.
This hasn't changed.
Let it be Lina.
Lina.
No, I'm afraid it's Winter Wyvern.
Those three were purposely changed so they could.
Fletchheap was nerfed in 7.41B.
False.
It was buffed.
False.
It was buffed.
You are correct.
Which of the following heroes had no spell based stats or ability changes?
Warlock, Klinkz, Leshrac or Centaur?
Vistos.
What?
Centaur?
No.
No, no, no, no.
No, no, no.
No, no, no.
Actually, Centaur.
Centaur.
I'm afraid.
It was Warlock.
He only got his innate.
Ah, yeah.
All right.
You can kill Zeus by popping a blade, nail, and nimbus.
True.
Absolutely change that damage type. What is the active spell of metamorphic mandible called bug out a rachnid assailant pupate or
Metamorphic out bug out
That was a tricky one. I'm afraid no that's a different spell a weird one
Which the following was not a concentrated wraps nerf cost increase what cost increase cost increase
Automatically done. Yes, my man knows move it on. Oh, okay
Darkseer's Vacuum was once again modified this patch as it has for every patch true or false.
What does modified mean?
What? Did they change Darkseer's Vacuum? Anything about it?
There is no interaction between like he could get Stono Spirit out of Ball Lightning.
No, he cannot. I don't know if it means this or not. So
So I don't know, let's go through.
True.
I'm afraid I was supposed to say, actually, you did not touch his vacuum for once.
I can't believe it, but yes, you have gotten far above what anyone has ever done on this
quiz.
Yeah, most people have been doing four or five questions.
Some of them are incorrect.
Well, I think you did very, very good compared to everyone else, so you were right.
knowledge was quite correct and we'll see if anyone has the minds to beat this man here at PGO
of the Lockheed season 8. Yes welcome back Team Liquid rampant in that first game but here's
an interesting fact for you gentlemen while we're talking about fine minds and understanding the
the patch. We agree Tiny is good. We agree Phoenix is good, but Phoenix and Tiny have
been paired together in the safe lane five times. Zero percent win rate.
What do you handle the swan cost? Over to you, Dom. I think win rate shouldn't be this
bad. They didn't win a single time. It probably has to do with which teams did play it and
the rest of the rest of the lineups that were paired up with these heroes because they have a lot of synergy together
You have a lot of damage to tiny like he likes to have extra bit of a help behind him
We talked how the chow tanky hero can hit with the Sunray behind him. He also has protection for the egg
So these stats probably shouldn't be as bad on the other side like the hood wink and timber saw
Yeah, I could definitely see it hood wink and timber
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I come on Timbersaw just timber sauce winger. It's fucking terrible
A combo with him with any hero. It's terrible. Thank you for more comp play by him. You know what I mean?
Yeah, or or whisper it was like legit the two best timber players in the world playing it and just dog shit
Yeah, I mean, I don't know I wouldn't that one to me seems like a pretty big outlier because I think as a lane
Like those two heroes are just fine like they'll do fine in lane
It's not some like epic crazy kill combo, you know Grimstroke tiny. He's not like they're gonna dominate the lane
But it's okay like they're both good laners. They can probably get kills. They probably won't lose that many lanes
Tiny just generally I think is a very good hero. We've yet to see like a lot of heroes that can
counter it Kez if
Paired with you know a natress profit mid upping the tempo IO slaughter amplification like
Hyper damage to get through tiny's massive HP pool seems like a pretty good answer
You know life stealer same thing like percentage damage against the massive HP pool
I mean they liquid they have first pick available and they also remove clean of pain
Slardar is still gonna be available for liquid if they want to be picking it up again
How impactful in that first game do you think the slaughter was compared to the other things that were going on in the
There's a lot of hidden impact for Slaughter, which you don't see because of the amplified damage that he does.
But overall, he did good.
Like, it's not like he's getting like a wild pocales or anything like that.
It's just he clicks once, one button, and then MP gets the right clicks.
I'm excited.
I'm excited about this.
We are not.
We don't get to see Alchemist.
Is this the first time we're actually seeing Alch?
Yeah, for us.
For us.
Yeah, it is.
It is.
And I, you know, it's, it is really not fun to play against, to play against all of a sudden,
some guy runs at you with like Aghanim Scepter, Saunj and Kaya on Queen of Pain at like,
squalled minutes. You're like, this isn't fair.
So, so let's talk about this actually, because I alluded to it briefly yesterday. The changes
made me feel support alchemist is where it would go. But the carry, the core alchemist,
It's still buying the axe for everyone else on the team always find the way how to be as greedy as possible
Yeah, I mean to my is the things in Dota to think think about it
We just spent the entire last panel talking about how supports can just go greedy enchantment and build for items right like is it
Are you really even a carry alchemist?
You're just being given priority to farm but you're farming for other people who are then going to become the cores like if you go
Alchemist carry it's really like your queen of pain or your void spirit
mid that's carrying you, it's your I.O. that you're farming an
axe for in the four position that's like truly carrying you.
So it's one of those weird like, you know, open AI situations
where like, right, he's technically a carry, but not
actually the carry in the game, which is why it's very fun to
watch. Like, I don't like playing against it. But I'm really
excited that we get to see it. And like, who's going to get the
agonist after what are they going to do on that like insane
timing? How does liquid play against that timing? Because
They know that it's coming.
And then on the other side, obviously, we've
seen the heroic dominate with Batrider yesterday.
Liquid take it.
I mean, I seem to recall Ace having a bit of a nightmare
with this hero in past Valhalla years.
Yeah.
I mean, he can also go tanky.
I think we've seen it yesterday when
the heroic played it with a bit of a different battle,
because he built Lotus, Bloodstone, Vraps, and just casual drums, so he became super
annoying. I love this pick. I like it a lot. I think the reason why this is going to be
probably even more popular, this combination between the two heroes, is Alchemist, he has
on Radiant, I mean even on Dire, he does have two camps that have been changed, one of them
is not ancient camp anymore, so you can go in, farm that relatively quickly.
Venom enter is the type of a hero. You don't want to dive underneath the tower.
This is where he wants to sit. Just use some plague wards.
If somebody is crazy enough to go for a kill, Gale, he slows them down
with the TP Alchemist is nearby. You can definitely grab a kill.
And he's also a bit of a protection for Alchemist as well, because where Alchemist wants to farm
is this outer ring. And if you plant a couple of snakes there,
Means that you need to either get a smoke going to grab a kill an alchemist pre-radians or
Does the gank is not gonna be as successful such a strong lane to yes
the the Venos slow into asset spray and right-clicking for
Amplified damage super nice bat writer
Hates being slowed by something that's like BKV piercing at the Venos old so Phoenix hundred percent contested and
Now on liquid
Yeah, and, you know, it's when you pick two heroes like this, there are openings, you
know, it's it's there's a lacking of disable.
You just have the Bat Rider Lassa, which is a bit of like a finicky one, because you
have to be right on top of somebody.
You kind of need a blink dagger if you want it to be guaranteed.
So they answer that by going for tiny, which, you know, we saw, we saw the win rate on the
combination.
Go to game three, huh? But but but also hang on though. I mean, let's not go crazy
I I know we're not thinking of tiny in the flex it was in the last patch where you could go for mid one
But obviously you could play this mid or one
Well, mid one is a one one is not on this team. So I don't know
One
I think I think exclusively as a carry in this patch. There's no need to complicate things
I also want to see which
Which agonim scepter from the mid lane you want to be getting I mean sanking is still available
Uh-huh, let's say you guess what we're right is he on I feel like we saw so much
Yeah, it's gotta be bad sitting at 44% at the moment. Yeah
Trending up. It's definitely different with an alch on the team
Void Spirit is the other big one. Yeah, even Ember like Ember acts is it's good. It's not like
Wow compared to some like mango not insta win the game, but I'm just thinking about the game
itself because everything they have so far is gonna be magic damage and I'm looking into mage layer buyer tiny later on is
Gonna be doing the right clicks, but at the early stages. It's more about getting those combos off and
And it's going to be...
Oh, wow.
OK, this might be Core Undying.
Yeah, it is.
It was the BedBoom team that played it yesterday
with the same combo with Alchemist.
Wow.
You know, you become...
Yeah, that's...
It's something that strength heroes don't like to play into.
We talked about Tiny being like super strong,
like being 4,000, 5,000 HP.
Once you reduce that, it is much easier to play.
This is a very toxic lineup from Heroic.
Yeah.
Somebody said earlier today that they are playing on his Dota.
Not sure about that anymore.
That was me.
Man, I know.
I know.
Take it back.
Lying the whole time.
No, but I mean, I loved, I watched the Pet Boom undying elk things that they were doing.
It looked so good.
Yeah, it's very strong and Tiny is not happy laning.
into undying and he is not happy
killing the tombstone either he is
he's just got such slow attack speed that's kind of his whole thing he doesn't
want
waste his tree charges
on the tombstone which
before it would be okay with the old shards yeah now you have charges right
you have charges so
can we use all of them so sorry for my ignorance can he still do the thing with
the bat right away you you get him but he goes nope
That not a thing anymore the tombstone. Yeah. Yeah, you can you can still do that
Yeah, you can know I'll say you can nope the tombstone the the Batrider lasso for sure
Yeah, well there you go. Love that love that for all of us. Yeah, it's definitely good
It's a little less good if it's an off-lane Batrider where
You're not so much playing around the lasso as you are playing around
Everything else that the hero does and like the auras
which I feel like against Alchemist and even Venomancer, you kind of want the
Bongo boots, that's more in line with like what an Offlane Batrider is going to do.
There's a world where it's just Echie playing Bat and they get Ace, something
else for the Offlane. What is Ace play that would actually pressure an Alcaveno?
Does that exist? He has a lot that would like respond to an Alcaveno in terms of
you know building the pipe and things like that I mean overall like I know
the liquid has picked lichen before it's good against lion it's good against
venom answer and undying be slowed so it could potentially be a good pig this is
something that they did play tiny like in as well as a classic yeah it's
something that they picked against bit boom as well when the lane wasn't as
strong like I think he died once and then he noped out the jungle and still
got a good amount of farm this is the power of the hero if you want to be
punishing the two supports and they do ban the sanking I felt like they just
wanted to have compared to the previous game where they had Viper from the mid
lane it feels that if they have a hero from the mid lane that gets like online
quickly because you will be buying into blink dagger get agonim setter for free
later and then you can get a BKB you're kind of invulnerable in the fights mm-hmm
And you can you can see by the bands that it does look like they think ace is gonna be on the bat here, so
Then he will be
Yeah, I mean rubik has really good steals in this game like any of Venos spells your happy lion has like multiple stuns
Basically the only bad thing you can still be a zoom manager. Yeah tombstone is insane. Yeah, so this is gonna be for
Tylong
They won an Aghanim's carrier that's really strong
Bristleback is like good against Ember and Lane, but not a great Ag's carrier
You could still void spirit. I think
It's fine against Ember and
It's really good to pair with Al because they do need a hero to go in
Well, they actually do go for bristle. Oh, wow
Okay, well
I'm not sure how the eggs is right. Did they change it in the patch at all? The egg in himself is still the same the same bristleback still
Okay, well they're picking then for the lane. They just want to like dump on
Ember spirit you've all all this physical damage you can
You know presumably like pressure him pretty hard in lane. I would say that that lane is probably
Especially because it's nisha. I think he'll do fine on ember like there's what I mean
I I never like it when they do this heroic
This is the tendency daily in internal occasion.
I would have preferred if it's something else to be honest.
First of all, he's not the greatest agonim scepter buyer from Alchemist's perspective
for his mid laner.
The last time he played it, they were playing it against Paravision, they got completely
stopped that game.
Like, he did not have a good time.
And he also did go, seems like they have this thinking that getting Chromation Guard from
the mid lane is still going to be good like we've seen in the previous game.
Viper, we've seen it in that series against Paravision when he was playing
Mid-Brizzleback as well. This was the item that he did pick up. It might seem
slightly outdated. I also don't think this is that good of a Crimson Guard game
anyway, but it feels like, again, they could run into same issues that they
did have before where you don't have a ways of starting the fight and that
because your off laner is very sluggish, your mid laner is kind of speedy, but he
doesn't really start a fight in any way. My question is like who's killing the egg?
Is it Bristleback? Are you Alchemist killing the Phoenix head?
It has to be Alch, right? That's great. Like three melee cores that have to run in and kill the
egg or like two pathetic supports. It's a pretty free game for Tofu for like what
is one of the best heroes on the patch. It's a bit, it's a bit dangerous territory.
All right. Well, we're gonna get into dangerous territory now because Sunspan and Cinderan are on the mic
Yeah, you never know what Cinderan will say always something offensive coming out of his mouth, right? I'm a bad boy
Not a bath boy. That's right. We've established that we figured that out for the last game. That was not the one
Yeah, I am very much on board with what they're saying. I don't like this bristleback pick. I
To me, Heroic are at their best when either Whisper or Ty Lung is playing a hero that
takes initiative and command in the game.
And we saw yesterday, if it was a game where Whisper was bat rider and he was running all
over the map and just crushing it, we've seen games from Ty Lung on like Spirit type mid
heroes where he is the one performing that function, but when neither of them does it,
I think sometimes Heroic just get into this like mindset of we just need to farm and scale
and everything will be okay.
And I feel like it just generally isn't.
This game ended up following a similar trajectory where Whisper was enigma and Tylon was playing
on Viper.
So, all the moves that were being made that game were liquid.
And I have been worried that this is going to be a similar story.
I agree 100% with Jenkins.
I was looking at the same thing.
Who's going to deal with Phoenix?
Kassiro is STF for a reason.
So we're going to see a fight here first unfold.
Yeah, Violokor in a ton of trouble, the fire spirits, and then the tree to take him out.
Echie falls shortly after, but first blood going to Liquid, they get most of the bounty as a result.
As Whisper picks up one as well, and KG on the run, does pop the fairy fire as Nisha's going to have to chase a little bit longer
to get what he really wants, which is a kill, into the laning stage, and he'll claim it.
So two for two.
Again, first blood for Liquid, bigger deal.
Nisha does end up losing one creep XP fully and one deny mid, so this is a bit of a head start for Tai Lung in the lane itself.
Which is also, that's the good thing about Bristle here, he lanes well into Ember.
Ember has no way of dealing with the physical damage, you're just gonna constantly quill spam him, he has to yield occasionally.
And, yeah, Flameguard isn't gonna solve this problem.
Conversely though, Bristle can't remove the Flameguard, so you also can farm with it if you go that build.
I'm curious to see what Nisha is actually taking some serious damage here from Tylong.
Fair to say Nisha on Ember in this tournament hasn't been playing his best.
I think he would agree with that.
Obviously he is one of the best players of all time on this hero.
His win rate in this tournament though, 33% as you're seeing.
And it's not just that, oh he played great but they lost.
I genuinely think he just dropped the ball in.
At least at Game We cast he got stomped.
And you said the day before he played it too and was doing great.
So I think this will be a good test for whether he is a bit more warmed up now
And of course I was gonna say it's nice to see they're not losing confidence in it
I would never lose confidence in that to be honest like if you're having a bad tournament
It is what it is, but you're always going to be
Performing at your best on your best heroes
You're thinking jungles they're gonna trade kills again, but ace going down is the bigger of the two
That's decent for at least ace got XP though
Now, what he wrote his lineup is very, very good at.
I talked about the weaknesses, but it also has some very clear strengths.
It's extremely good at playing in confined areas.
So if you have zone control and the fight breaks out, you have Tombstone, Plague Ward's,
Alchemist and Bristleback are very good at these like static fights.
So if they can enforce that play style in a similar fashion to what they wanted to do
in the last game, I think they have a really good shot.
And I think the key to unlocking that is undying, just running at towers and forcing the enemy
team to come there, and then he has the Tombstone.
I would be a lot more confident in that approach if the Bristle was, say, a Dragon Knight,
because then I think you have a much easier time threatening the enemy so hard so early
that they have to respond to you.
Bristle just doesn't push nearly as fast.
But it's also a matter of player preference, what they think is good in the patch, and
the bigger picture. Obviously DK would have had some serious downsides here too.
Applying into Phoenix is terrible. Badrider is a tough matchup, but you know,
that's the reason these heroes are ST-er. It's just a lot of heroes of bad
matchups. He's gonna burn down KJ as Yuma can't finish the job on Ace
himself as both members of Liquid actually quite low so the Lotus ends up
going in the hands of the Alk. Speaking of the Alk though, concoction. Okay, not
gonna be enough for a kill. I must have missed something in the last month. I'm
looking at the changes here and I guess I see what has changed but
position one alk buys ags now apparently. Very interesting. So is it the ag
subter now also increases base bonus gold and ags? Yes, that's it. Per kill by six,
per ags. Yeah, that's why. Wow. It's just it's a much better value proposition for
carry alk because you are empowering your teammates to get you through the phase
of the game that you are weaker because you're spending the gold, but the return on investment
is just way better than it was before with the older AXX version, so that's why.
And it got nerfed after three days, I think.
It was a much stronger version at the beginning of 741.
Yeah, it's a...
That's my kind of patch.
Yeah, you and Slack should play together.
He loves playing 5-Alc and giving AXX to his teammates.
I think you'll have a great time.
You can play carry without your support, and then he can jungle for 40 minutes, and then
you can see if you can win.
Oh, this makes me want to play carry Alk again.
I haven't had that in a long time.
That's concerning.
Fun hero, I have to say.
So they're talking about the Aks going to potentially bristle.
Would this not go down dying?
This is the best Aks on their team.
Yeah, they'll definitely give it to them.
They were talking about bristle as a worst pick through the scope of Alk wants to give
two plus Aks.
Oh, he goes for more than one, I see.
Who do you give the second one?
Jackie, you can end up dropping here. A is trying to pick up something, but I have to settle for KJ, and we'll do so.
What about bloodbath, this lane? It's like just constant trade- trade-off scare.
Well, important to guess the compulsion off. You might have actually died there, you and my friend.
So, how exactly does a war- I don't know, we're gonna have a tombstone top. A lot of action in this game.
Yeah.
Mckay, I would think he's gonna be able to survive here, whisper with another decanted tofu, not quite enough to get the kill, though.
So, you buy Radiance to be able to farm these Ags, you get Ags number one.
Do you go Ags number two immediately or...?
Sometimes, yeah.
Really?
Not always, but...
That's cool.
Yeah, it varies depending on...
I think in this game you don't.
I think you give one to a dying and then you...
Six slot yourself.
I don't think the other Ags are good enough to justify it.
And what's so bad about Bristol Ags?
Because at one point it was very good.
As you can see, a die from Tofu.
Three members of Liquid here now is...
They'd love to pick up Whisper, takes the blood grenade, attempting to TP.
The tree not quite enough, he does get out in time.
Yeah, nice escape from Whisper there.
Worth about as close as it gets.
That's honestly only losing line there is not that bad, considering that was a Phoenix rotation.
Of course, Yuma is going to be more than happy here on his alch to stack both camps down bottom and get to work.
Uh, what's bad about Bristleback?
AXE, I just think it's bad matchups for it, right?
I think theoretically there are still games where it can be really powerful to have those massive quill bursts when you're playing with stuns, but the heroes you're facing are just inherently so extremely mobile.
Ember, Bat, Phoenix, all three of those are hard to deal with.
Bat, even if you get Phoenix down to... it's a weird hero, right? You can burst him down to like 10% with your axe and then it doesn't even matter as long as he gets Ag off, all the damage is wasted.
Tiny... it's okay against, I think?
I just think it's more valuable to hook out for yourself.
Alright.
Spurt triple teamed again.
Still gonna put down the tombstone as they're trying to kill it.
Tofu now on the run.
Tombstone about to go down.
It does.
150 gold in the pocket of liquid now.
Telekinesis whisper.
He's gonna be fine.
He's got the vanguard.
Very, very tanky right now as Ace gets the lasso off.
He's one right click away from dying though and KJ not gonna die.
So gets a very good pick up there.
Meanwhile, the Wisdom Trine is being contested at the moment, and Whisper will love being able to play in a position like this, where they all group up for a decay, but he is already extremely low.
Nisha with the remnants out, Harog still trying to pick up their own Wisdom Trine. I don't think they're going to be able to do so.
As Tylon, very low now, as Mikae just standing his ground with Toflu on the sideline, Nisha now on the high ground with the remnants.
Whisper trying to deny himself not to be though, as Tylon now has to completely abandon the shrine.
the Sunray though might be enough and it is. Another kill going away of Liquid,
Whisper though, finally reenters the fight with a decay kill. I think Tofu got
level 4 off of the wisdom, so he got the Sunray that he needed to kill the
Bristle there. That was really nice timing for him. Effectively giving him
almost two levels there. The solo exp on the Bristle backkill is huge for him. As
you mentioned though, I'm dying with the instant respawn. We'll get somewhat of a
but I think Liquid overall will be quite happy with this sequence for themselves.
They activate the Nisha Ember and he wins out the fight against Bristle.
See Nisha here, interestingly, you can tell his mindset from his itemization.
It's not very often you see the chainmail being bought before the boots, for phase boots on Ember,
but the Bristleback plus Alchematchups just makes this inherently a lot better than usual, especially Bristle, of course.
No interaction with Alchemist just yet.
Yep.
And the panel's kind of talked about it, the three melees into the eventual egg for the
Phoenix, not a great matchup in theory, especially with Phoenix being so powerful right now.
I think another one is Undying.
I mean, you have one Strength Hero, two melees, one of them, there's so much mobility.
As Nisha, you know, just poking a bit.
Yep.
But it feels like a lineup where Heroic want Liquid to group up, but looking at their lineup,
don't really need to. Anisha wants to dive. We'll get him. Searing chains, fake vaults,
and the sunray kill from afar. Burns to a crisp. This is a really good supporting cast
for Ember. Phoenix and Ruvik work wonderfully with Ember going 2-4-0. There's just so much
damage and so much lockdown between his combo that the supports can clean up something like
lion very easily in just a slight change. I think both supports will die in a similar
fashion there for sure. Even a hero like Alchemist isn't necessarily safe if his ulti is on
cooldown. Against Ember plus even one support might be able to run it down. Oh this is a
big steal from Tofu and Ekky. That's a triple stack on that hard camp. Phoenix does this
too by the way. It's a good deal.
they see trade as they say.
Yeah, they being you.
Yep.
Yeah, I'm struggling to see how herald takes fights here because the tombstone
and the slows from Venom can be just completely countered, I feel like,
with boots of bearing. It's definitely going to be purchased by this.
Yeah, they're very good here.
What is their...
Lion blink is pretty important.
Sure, but the type of fight that they're taking feels harder to execute,
I feel like, than what Liquid would have.
I agree. I once again think the the main reason we feel this way is the last pick whistleback
I think if you pick a different hero you enable that playstyle a lot easier AJ
He is dead human out alone for the time being but there is a TP coming in
Well, he actually chose to complete it. This sucks a bit for whisper now. He's stranded down here
He's gonna want to go through the gate
I guess they'll miss but the finger shall not now the fist of death comes through whisper is gonna pop the ult with the
Tombstone as well
Echie, he's stuck in place. You're trying to take one kill before he goes. It's not to be.
Still a monodrain. He's there like, very useful.
Yeah, if he could have stolen the finger right away.
How fast Ace is. KJ's in the area, but the lasso brings the Bristle back into the arms of Micke, who comes in to claim the kill.
So all that rotation bottom ends up netting two supports while the mid laner dies now in favor of liquid.
And how much do we even look at the net worth when there's an alchemist in the game?
In fact, even I guess history serves Cinderan, then the non-alch team should be happy.
I mean, all in all, this is pretty even for now, but like you said, Alch is supposed to
be ahead, which is.
But then a big part of the win rate of the hero is tied to, once again, the friends for
the eggs.
Even if he's in a good spot
I'm
Thinking about the idea of just not going eggs at all actually in this game, which he hasn't queued up
So I don't think he'll do that, but I think there is a case for
In the right game not buying it at all even though it's a good economy item and then playing the let's say the old school
Alphway where you try to win the game at like 30 minutes
because
Yeah, in this game, there's just not so much merit to the upgrades
whisper
Chased here by Nisha. Oh, that is a very egg not going to do a whole lot
But they still have the numbers whispers dead puts down the tombstone beforehand though is ace getting slow
But the drums gonna keep him pretty healthy with that move speed as Nisha with the remnant as well
I'm just trying to get something in the form of a support
Might be able to get it the flamber. It does help just for a little bit
In the end they do get the kill they came for meanwhile
This is the bigger one they get the hex up and Nisha no more remnants burns to the ground
So liquid now on full retreat concoctions gonna hit ace, but that's all they're gonna get it seems
That's still pretty good for a row if they can turn this into a potential pressure on the mid tower
That's also the radiance delivery pretty solid timing here for you ma 1230 with radiance phase and
Sol ring
pretty solid
I can't really pressure much more than that, unfortunately.
Not really much left in the tank to look for that tower.
So Whisper just went for the casual vanguard into consecrated wraps, and doesn't even look
like he wants to upgrade the vanguard, alright King Jungles is very dead here.
Level 5 at 14 minutes.
Venno is one of those heroes where even when you have a slow start you can still get levels
in the jungle, but has to leave the majority of it for Alchemist, which makes that duo
a little bit more susceptible to snowballing at the expense of the support then. Venodos
with most carries who don't necessarily want to contend with you for the same camps, but
what are you going to do? Yuma needs his dough.
Speaking of Yuma, based on his quick buy, it's only 1x.
Yeah, I would disagree with more than one. I think one I am fine with for undying
Yeah, I'm more than one. It's just not it the problem here is even with axe on undying
It's still not the easiest decay game. No, it's not
So I don't know just how I'm back. What's gonna be? We'll see though. You're not not gonna get the concoction off
That's a problem that he might get lasso. He's gonna get burned down pretty fast here with the flame break
He is just dead. No ult to work with, and now Liquid gonna force the issue. Theolichor with one last and pale before death as KJ is finally level 6.
Gets off the plague in time to slow Ace to a crawl. As a result, he shall survive, but two for one still in favor of Liquid.
That's the biggest kill of the game. That Alcdeath is very, very crippling. He's even with Tiny now.
And it was at his own initiative. That's the worst part. He didn't even get ganked. He ganked himself.
I think that was a situation where you could have sold Lion and easily got out, but he wanted to go for the concoction play, got fogged.
And that is very bad news. This is going to turn into a mid tower as well for the side of Liquid most likely, or at the very least, force the rotation.
I don't think they're going to finish this, but if nobody from Heroic shows up, they'll keep hitting it.
Siege wave en route as well coming here mid so it's minute 15 so the timing here is very nice to continue this
Whisper will be on defense duty level 11
Hello venus
Absolutely melts
He's over double his level right now
I think bad writers are very dangerous hero to give to liquid because they flex it to
When I saw the draft until the very last big rubik that could have been ecchi playing it plays a very very good support that so
So you're not even sure until the very end of the draft where it's going to go and how
Liquid are going to utilize it.
Tophu plays Bat 5 as well very well.
Obviously they knew it wasn't going to be a 5 Bat since Phoenix was picked, so at least
they had that going for them, but it's a very powerful pick for this team.
As for Flesh Golem activated, Tophu simply flies away.
This is what we're talking about with this undying specifically in terms of chase potential.
You have Batrider with Lutz Bering, you have Phoenix with Dive, you have the mobility of
Ember Spirit.
Vessel.
Just like how to execute.
Yeah, that is a way too easy kill on the mid lane Bristleback.
Tylong is like no gold off of the Lotus.
I actually think he had the gold if he could have just gone to the shop and then he would
have lived because he could have lotus off the entire combo there, but the last opportunity
that Nisha is going to have to kill him in that fashion, he gets it, and now the mid-tower
is also going down to him, so it's just looking quite stable for the liquid side, and again
if we go down the stretch, oh that's a deadline, going down the stretch in this game, I just
think it's going to be problematic for Heroic to enforce the type of fight their lineup
needs to play because it only plays one type of fight but there's no flexibility
there's not much depth to it just racking up the kills
as human now he is alone getting it tossed up
doesn't have a chemical rage for another 8 seconds he's just dead here
just trying to get a little bit extra farm to finish that axe he loses 300
not too far away from it now but still another death to the Alk is not what you
want to see if you're a heroic fan
as it's falling apart actually, and it's falling apart in the exact fashion I was worried about for the team, and this to me is not exactly like...
I don't feel like they're severely misplaying as individuals, I just think it's just so hard to...
with how Liquid are playing the map and the heroes they have, it's very difficult for them to structure things in a way that gets the fights in their turn.
Look at Ace now, like what are you gonna do? 18 minutes, boots of bearing BKB on the bat.
They can't even initiate him anymore. They can initiate, can you show them?
That's a very good pick off. He's the lowest net worth of all cores in the game, by the way, despite all of this.
This happens a lot to Ember when you don't max flamethrower. It's very standard, so I don't think it's a cause for concern.
It's kind of the same thing that you love criticizing Void Spirit for historically.
Yeah.
If you're not snowballing, you generally are at the bottom of the cores because you don't farm that fast.
That has changed a bit since the White Spirit Shard was introduced, that allows you to farm just by dropping the Remnant.
But Ember doesn't have that luxury, so he will, even in good games, a lot of the time, be 6th, and I think it's totally fine.
His job in this game is not to omega carry, he's enabling Bat, and especially timing to do the brunt of the lifting.
I think Nisha is all over the place.
Yeah, I feel like we've seen a handful of games now where Bat Rider is the one that takes over the field.
And no exception here today.
Tier 2 in favor of Liquid now, and there's the Ags, so we'll be gifted immediately to
Whisper, so now Decay doing 8 strength steal, but again, hitting multiple targets is going
to be pretty hard this game.
And Decay stealing from Tiny doesn't lower his damage by that much compared to certain
other heroes because he has so much base damage to go to give from.
What was the thought process of the attack? I can't remember when it was picked in the
turn.
I just picked third, fourth. I'm just looking for a D-Word there, but not going to get it.
Mika will deny it. Well, what did they see? They saw Bat. They saw Bat, Tiny Phoenix, right?
I think they just picked as a counter to Tiny, which it's good on a hero to hero basis against
Tiny and Lane, and Tiny doesn't destroy the Tombstone, so that's good. But again, just
a little bit.
It's actually so weird to see that LASSO doesn't need to be used in some of these situations.
The lanes are too much to handle as we can see the avatars onto that's a mid laner by
the way getting healed up a decent amount though thanks to the soul rip as Whisper in there.
Just TP.
Force out some TP's, Nisha with the mobility.
They'll be able to get out just fine.
A spell with a BKB wants to kill off the allocore does so quite easily I must say.
Still has LASSO.
Last so who does he want to bring it's the bristle who gets broken who gets killed as heroic just melting now the egg
Right in front of whisper he gets a good decay
But it's only so much that could do at this stage of the game another death for kj. He just spawned
And this game again getting out of hand in favor of liquid for for zero it looks like it's three for zero
But that's because I'm dying immediately respond
so
Yeah, this bad writer is totally out of control in this game
Basically has the same net worth as undying who got 4k net worth for free
so
Means in relative terms he's 4k up right because elk is suffering
Of course, he is sacrificing himself to make his undying better, but undying can't realize the value of this item
And this I think this fight is a really good illustration of what I was talking about that
I'd actually like you might not to do that this game even though it's like
Your instinct is to give eggs always at least one in this patch on Alc
I just think it's not good enough
I think you could maybe have focused on getting six slaughter yourself and actually pose a threat in the fights like let's say you get
Blink and some really high-damage bloodthorn or whatever and you can kill heroes, you know as much as I love this Alk
axe thing. And you know how much I love it. Like the undying in a vacuum is the best
axe on their team. It's just in this game. It's not really that good. And then the rest
of the axe on the team are kind of meh. Which begs the question, if you're first picking
elk, does this even make sense to do drafting like this? They could use somebody with a
nice axe tier list, I think. Make sure that they understand how things work. Because Mika
is going to be able to get out. See you later. Harpoon, one of the best changes in recent
memory. Being able to grapple trees is freaking awesome. KK spotted and for the first time
will not die. He has greaves now so he can at least escape Ember. Still gonna die to
bat. He's going to die now. Alright, I scope too soon, so Venom dead again, 11 deaths now
for the Venom answer. What do you think of Venom this patch? I think it's pretty good.
I don't necessarily think the hero is much better than before, so there was some theory
that it was going to be broken because of the new... Speaking of breaking. Yeah. Oh dear.
Oh, dearest Niel, bye!
A kill with the Tormenter!
It's a little bonus damage there, actually helpful.
It's gonna die anyway, but...
Do they have what it takes?
That's one thing they've been able to do, is kill Nisha.
I guess if we're already dealing damage to the Tormenter, sure we'll finish it.
Charged for Tofu, that's a really nice get, freebie.
Yep, that is nice.
Getting that now on to the Phoenix so can Sunray during the supernova. I
Love this build from the trophy this game as well by the way going for the solar crest
Concoction they find a tiny this would be a very very big kill for her. Okay. In fact liquid are just gonna leave Mickey to his own devices
So two cores killed
Okay
It's a big kill
Heroic need a little bit more of that to get back in this game for sure, but it's a good start
So what's Yuma gonna get he's going BKB first it looks like he's doing a BKB Sanji and Yasha. I hope
He doesn't buy that I
As usual I like to say
the heroes that I
I'm worst at itemizing myself on carries, so I think
My overall read sometimes on item builds is just gonna be off
But surely Sanji and Yasha on out here is not it right?
The BKB is fine, but I think if you go BKB you need some output.
Sandin Yash is a lot of gold for very mediocre damage.
The status is just not really that useful here, I think.
So I would much rather see him just go like Bloodthorn, Abyssal or something.
A little surprising.
He has so much responsibility to kill heroes because nobody else is going to do damage
down the stretch, right?
Like Bristol, sure.
If he gets two or three more items, we're talking, but Undying doesn't really work like
But you want to have a partner from Lyon to burst with.
And it's been enough so far onto the Ember as we saw, but it's going to need to keep
scaling on damage.
Nice find here.
Yeah, I'm going to put the egg down right in their face.
Goodbye.
Easy.
Whisper and company.
And they drop a gem, so even more net worth down in the pockets of liquid.
is a bloodstone now created by Anisha.
And he's gonna be going she-vas after the fact.
How do you think they should nerf bloodstone?
We both agree that's gonna happen, right?
Why did they need to?
Well, what part of this is, this is too good.
Come on, this is what happened.
Senator, you've been around long enough.
You know how this works.
Bloodstone too good, bloodstone getting nerfed,
bloodstone too bad.
Well, how about we nerf it a little bit?
They're just over nerf it. That's the problem. If it's just slight number stuff, sure
Yeah, I like the way it works conceptually now. What number do you think is the biggest part?
So the spell I feel is too high. So the aura part is the health. I mean aura part probably
Have to look at the numbers in just a second. I'm gonna look at some numbers on the HP department for Thailand go from
100 to 0 they get the kill in the ace though
So a good trade at this stage of the game for heroic. This is good
Company trying to relocate a bit as Nisha
He's slow to a crawl. Look at that remnant speed. He gets telekinesis
And he tries to go back into the fight. He's like please no stay
He should just leave for God's sake the concoctions gonna hit make it with a nice avalanche those whisper has so much HP
He should just stuck in the tree line one more slide of this
He's getting a lot of spell life still going. There's another telekinesis
Ekki just saving the shit out of this Ember as Whisper eventually does fall.
Bam.
It takes a while, but Liquid come out on top of this fight.
Mikkei still has that Aegis as the concoction coming from Yuma, telekinesis now.
Nisha back to full HP.
And now they can focus down this Alchemist.
He won't be able to go much further here.
And Mikkei finding yet another kill to his name this time on the Venomancer.
So basically a full team wipe for Liquid.
That actually even looked good for Heroic.
They finally get to kill the Bat to start and they get the type of fight that Undying wants to play,
where it's a little bit in a small, closed off area at the top of the stairs,
but Liquid just play their way out of it.
The Rubik's Shard, massive there.
In spite of Nisha's best efforts, he does survive, courtesy of Ekki of course, with some clutch stuff.
It was funny, he got a little bit of miscommunication.
He got telekinesis to weigh and then jumped back into his remnant, but he still lived.
And ironically, that might have got them two or three kills,
because they were eager to push through and try to chase.
You're seeing the replay here.
Tylong is going to die immediately, of course,
but that ace not getting off the BKB in time here is very...
I actually had cooldowns I couldn't have.
There's no supernova.
They know this, so they're going to chase.
Now, they're going to outrange the tombstone here,
so that part of the fight is gone.
And here's the lift into jump.
You should just really want it to die here.
That Earth Spike has to hit.
That is a very big miss. Meanwhile, and whisper, yeah, gun's over again and now
we're gonna see a lasso finding KJ for yet another death number 13 on the
banana man cert. Yep. Like quitting full control. Let's get back to the balance
here, Bloodstone. Oh yeah. I think it's too much HP. I was looking at, yeah, that's one
thing. Oh. Is the stats, is the... Just killed the egg? They're trying to, but the
The avalanche comes in, but they still get it nonetheless.
Mikkei, trying to finish somebody before they BKB TP, it's not 2B.
Two cores out for Heroic, but not much changes here in the grand scheme of things for Liquid.
Alright, back to this item.
650 health is kind of absurd.
It's a lot.
That's how I would probably know.
I think cut down the health by some, and then maybe it's fine.
The value proposition is just crazy, right?
Every hero that would have wanted to achieve us in the past for the magic amp component wants this because they get that in the aura from the veil and then...
Right, there's also a world where it doesn't have this passive and it's only on the active.
That makes sense.
Oh, so you get spell amp during blood path.
You get spell amp and this extra spell life suit.
That's a pretty... that's an interesting idea. It's just...
Historically, Dota doesn't really do upgrades where you lose part of what the previous item did, right?
It's always built on top.
Well, how are you losing it?
Well, with Veil, it's constant, right?
Wait, am I being stupid here?
You tell me.
Oh, you're right.
You could just tie it to that.
Then the duration just needs to be really low.
Meanwhile, I'm dying dead.
And the buildings will start to melt as liquid again
in a game 2 stomp arena.
So Veil's spell weakness blasts.
Same.
Yeah, plus, I will say, I think they would actually
have to up the numbers of the spell damage increase,
because it's only on active.
Right.
So, like, to 18% or something?
The thing is, Veil lasts for 16 seconds on enemies.
So, I guess you could do Blood Pack
where you get the Spell Life Seal yourself for five seconds,
but the offensive aura part is for 16,
is what you're saying.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think that's another way to change it.
It kind of turns it into Shiva,
where it was, you know, you apply the Amp.
I kind of like that idea,
rather than having it be a constant aura,
Because the constant aura also helps you farm and...
I still think 650 health is absurd.
And what do you think of Sheeva's? Do you think that needs any...?
Um...
It feels...
I'm not sure how I feel about it, because a lot of heroes that used to like to buy it will now buy Bloodstone, right?
So who likes to buy Sheeva's?
Heroes that get...
First of all, you need armor and AoE, that's really the two checkboxes, I feel like.
What the Sankings of the world what did original Shiva do it gave armor int and
the
Frost slow and the attack speed aura slow right yeah, I think it always had the freezing or
So effectively this is the old Shiva but with a we instead of it minus health
Restoration that was not the original Shiva. What when you say original? I mean Dota 1
There's a shit because this patch is returning some heroes and some items to old states
and I'm just thinking, okay, back then when it did that, what heroes wanted to buy it.
Okay. And it gave Int an armor, and now it gives armor and AoE.
So when you're saying, hey, where is this item at, I'm trying to think of, okay,
what hero archetypes run it, right? The AoE part is definitely, definitely good.
I mean, the healing reduction was a huge part of why certain heroes were buying it
in specific matchup last patch, which was kind of interesting.
But it's probably in a decent place, I think.
We're going to see Ace take a ton of damage, but he will brush it off and now they just
run away from Tombstone.
They used a lot there.
They used Tomb and Alkult and Finger and didn't kill him.
So maybe Liquid can look for more trouble now, actually.
Even with BKB and cooldown on Bat, you could still smoke, find a blink, lasso, force out,
stay alive.
Yep, no doubt.
Quietly, by the way, I was going to mention this, Ekky has had decay for half the game
on Rubik.
he's going eggs now. So he's actually going to start killing the enemy cores. Now, ironically this is the good decay of the game is the one Rubik has because he has three melee enemy cores that are going to be piling on top of each other to kill stuff.
Pretty good. Pretty good.
He gets to buy his second eggs, he had it on Iowa last game and well. Plus it's going to be an easy steal constantly.
Yeah, this is so easy to get it. Even if you miss it, if you're like, oh, he just got another spell off, he's gonna cast it again, you know?
Yep.
He's gonna be spamming this three-second cooldown decay with the Octarin core.
If you just blindly cast spells, still, you're probably getting it almost every time anyway.
Anyway, back to balance.
I do like that there's kind of separating some of these mechanics.
Yeah, I do too.
I think that makes it a little bit more elegant, if I'm being honest.
I agree.
Like the
The minus HP restoration being on the new item like they just separate it all. It's pretty nice, but
still hate
wraps
Still hate
We can if you would like to make that a constant why can't I remember the name of the other item they got rid of
What was it called? What did it do the the mana the one that gives mana when you take hits gets magic resist
Oh, Eternal Shroud.
Yeah, Shroud.
Huh, Nisha?
We're going to see a fight, says concoction onto Nisha, but he's going to spell Lifesteal
a lot, and now the lasso onto Whisperer gets a decay onto one, as we've been seeing all
game long, and just like that, three dead for Heroic as it forces out the TP of Yuma.
And eventually they will find this big, fat, juicy undying as well.
This feels like a rinse-repeat situation.
We've seen this fight about 10 times over.
and it just feels like it's an inevitable thing
where we're just waiting for liquid to push high ground.
Yeah, we're not waiting anymore.
This is minimum one side, it's probably two.
If you buy back on dying,
maybe you have a chance of stalling this somewhat,
but I don't think Barogar interested in that.
So they are going to sacrifice this lane
in addition to mid.
I mean, as I say, one lane,
I might actually be talking about megas here,
because well, with mid lane already down,
Tiny does this very quickly.
The 6th second cooldown tree grab is a choice valve, of course. Keep that in mind.
What's wrong with that?
Nothing.
I mean, the charge just from before was very good.
Yeah, at least you had to pay for it then.
Yeah, I guess so.
And last ditch effort from Tylongi, TP's in, BKB's, and they are running for now just trying to do a soft reset.
Now the lasso onto the Alchemist, and the death of the Alchemist.
It's Ogre.
GG is called and Liquid they 2-0 in a I don't know both games not remotely close
I think the thing that sucks the most for heroic in this game is that they overall last pick a bristle who went
194 yeah, like this was your choice and I just really really disagree with that archetype hero in this game
I think you made liquids game very easy, and they're also just playing really well today. I think liquid looked very
very stable in both games, love their drafts, love their execution, not really much more
to say about it.
Liquid 2-0!
Yeah, thanks, JonSwan.
I absolutely agree with Cinder, and we said as much before we went into the game.
It's like, why put a prodigy like Ty Long on a non-playmaking hero?
It sort of doesn't feel like the optimal use of the player, let alone whether or not it's
good for the draft.
Yeah, and it's also twice in a row.
Yes, this is pretty much the same thing that did happen to them when they were playing against paravision on this mid
Bersalback where they got completely rolled over. This was
slightly more balanced, but also if you look at his score if you look at his impact
It wasn't really there like you have three beefy cores, but you're playing into
Tiny you're playing into Batrider. These are all melee heroes and most importantly you're playing it against the Sunray from Phoenix
So you're gonna melt so quickly
I wonder if Liquid is simply a bad matchup for Heroic in terms of play style.
A lot of the time that Heroic is beaning teams, they're throwing chaos into the mix.
They're doing something that's really abnormal and out-team fighting, out-executing teams.
But against Liquid, it just seems like that's not an effective thing.
It's hard to out-chaos and out-pace a team like Liquid.
And I totally agree with the Tai Lung Prodigy thing, like that.
I think this is a criticism or an observation that we've made, and like since they got him
on the roster, it...
Caps can definitely fall victim to a little bit of...
He finds certain elements that he likes to draft, like certain styles of drafting, ways
of making it easier for himself and for his team to get good matchups.
And I think it works against certain teams, but then you're fighting against a team, the
caliber of liquid, and that's when you really want the prodigy to be on something where
he can show his seal, right?
It's like this sort of thing wins you drafts against the bottom tier teams, which are still
very good, but bottom tier teams.
the most impressive play you can do with Bristleback? Like you turn your back, you do the 180 due to
Hippity Hoppity, like what is that? I mean you, because this guy is extremely skilled.
I mean, yeah, he's such a mechanically gifted player and you get him like the brain dead,
zero mechanic, zero. Yeah, I mean he played Viper and Bristleback in the series, so definitely
want to see him on something else. Two supports straight up did not have a good time in this game
because Liquid, they were like, I don't know how many times you've seen this ever since
Nisha joined the scene. You bring three players to the mid lane, you pick the worst possible
matchup for him in the mid lane. Sure, you're going to kill him like two, three times, 15,
20 minutes into the game, he's going to be on the top and also who's going to be on the
top of the list for potential teams to pick up because Ekki, he's having like really good
game.
I think to Andrew. Okay, it is ecchi being our standout player for liquid. It might be the first or second time memory serves me. Correct. But I will say this. He's doing it with a Rubik and a lot of the time he's been picking the boxy heroes, right?
And then boom, he's nailed it with the Rubik today.
Yeah, I mean, it's it is one of his heroes like going back where I think that's why liquid got him in the first place because there's a lot of overlap between what eckey likes to play and what boxy likes to play.
They do have different play styles, but in the games where eckey looks good, he looks really good.
And you he's here. He's here. It's eckey.
Yeah, I'm here. Yeah, you can hear us.
He heard me glazing.
Yeah, it would be embarrassing now Jenkins is blushing.
No, but first of all, congratulations on the win
and getting through to the playoffs.
We'll start with a nice easy question.
Obviously standing in for boxy, big shoes,
but it looks like you're having a lot of fun.
Yeah, I mean, I would just say it like this.
I think it's just about having fun,
just about taking a day to day.
I think these guys are like great on liquid.
The personalities are like really fucking cool.
It's just kind of a vibe. I just rock up. I need to play good. That's my only job like bucket sounds kind of nice
It's the dream
But this is something we wanted to ask you about actually
You have a similar hero pool to boxy one of the things we were wondering
Because boxy has a unique playing style
I think that's fair to say likes to set the pace very early on get around the map getting everyone's lanes getting everyone's face
We don't think you're as aggressive as Boxy. We could be wrong. You can tell us if we're wrong
but
Have you tried to play more like Boxy or are you just bringing the ecchi style to this liquid iteration?
That's a really funny question because I think it's the answer kind of changes day by day honestly, right?
Like I think there's been a lot of like okay. Well
Well, playing like Boxy seems the most logical and it kind of fits my style, but at the same
time I'm also my own guy and the patch has changed and like, you can't really pick all
of the Boxy heroes, you can't just pick double melee every lane, so it was kind of an interesting
exploration, like all of the Liquid guys are a new patch, I'm on the new patch, I'm standing
in for Boxy.
I think the one main thing between me and Boxy is that we're both like Yappers, we're
both like game dictators.
We love Yappers.
We both kind of just have to get the team through the game, make the calls to win the game.
And I think that style is pretty much what Liquid kind of needs.
And then I think I can offer that, and then I think I just had to find my heroes to make that work.
So, every single day I'm learning of these guys, we're getting more synergy, it's kind of a vibe.
I don't know, I'm just having fun, you know?
What have you liked on the patch so far then in terms of heroes, play style,
What's been working for you? What are your observations?
The fact that we can actually win lanes on the off-lane now is kind of giga.
Like, if the off-lane is actually playable, like, holy, what the hell, that's kind of nice.
So we get to play like all of these rangers, you know, you see me playing Hoodwink, Rubik,
even Wisp, some games. Like, it just kind of feels nice to be able to pressure enemies.
I think it's a style that fits Liquid very well, like this high-pressure playstyle.
You think winning the Offlane is the combination between like changes the different Offlaners or like more of a range heroes that you are playing from the Offlane with the combo from the Offlaners?
Yeah, I think it's both. I think the fact that the Offlane pool changed a lot and like a lot of the carries got nerfed, a lot of the fives, like there's no Jekiro, there's no Warlock.
Thank God.
Yes, yes, thank God. I also agree no one liked it. Only domesticistic five players liked it, but you know,
Now it's kind of nice, you get to just play this fair lane, the only broken guy is like Phoenix, but he's not even that broken, you know what I mean, he's like, he's good, but it's not that broken.
Is it also the change that your lane on the off lane is closer to your tower, does that make the difference in winning the lane as well?
So it makes the difference for the early levels, I think later on, like if you still lose the lane, it's you're still kind of, you don't really benefit from it that much,
But yeah, definitely the early waves outside like you 100% benefit from that
Yeah, and you also said that your job in team liquid right now. It's super easy
You show up, you know, the mood is good and everything
Comparing to the other teams that you played for like what's the difference?
Is it like the less preparation that you have to do in general or I mean, I would say just professionalism
I think these guys just turn up. They want to win. They're here to do their to the rest everyone is like on it
I think Team Liquid just kind of showed me that you're just going to go, do your 20%, whatever your role, your job in the game is, do it well, and that's good enough to win.
You're saying Blitz is not doing anything, 20% of what I said.
I did the math there.
That's not what I said, guys.
He's a perfect fit for Liquid, actually.
We're going to put that quote on social media, though.
Oh, no, no, Blitz is over to go to the draft.
of the drafts, he is, that is true. Speaking of drafts, you are very good at Batrider going
back to like the Avalos days, like that's you and Batrider synonymous in my eyes. We keep
seeing Batrider and I keep thinking maybe it's going to go for and it always goes off lane on
this patch, like do you think new Batrider is playable as a position for? Like what's the
split? Like which role is it better on? Okay, if you give me Bat off lane, I can make this here
look like the best tier in the world, but I think it's a very specialist tier, but I think on
post-4 especially it's like it's so much of like a shadow of what it can be on core that you
shouldn't really play it, but I feel like I'll play it anyway because like I just play too much
of it. I can make it work somehow. Okay, that makes sense. But I think you shouldn't really be
playing it for now. I think it's kind of grief. It's like too good with items, yeah. It's just too
good on offlane. There's Bloodstone, Shiva, you farm so fast, you know, you want the levels,
you want the giga farm giga scaling so I flex said that apparently you coached the cut is that
is that true did that you pull that stat out of his ass that's true i'm day one thing that's
so random yeah i mean you coached the cut how did that happen a million years ago yeah like with
scrooge mcduck and yeah with those guys how did how did that happen like how did you find yourself
coaching an NA Dota team. I don't know. There was the NA DPC. I just kind of like first to the scene.
I was like, okay, well, let's try this. I mean, somehow the cut snowballed mean to like secret
and stuff, like coaching secret and stuff. So I don't know. I learned all my tricks in NA, I guess.
That's so clear, dude. That's so good. If only the NA players did as well.
We are for sure claiming Eki now. That's a player. There you go. Last question, Eki. We'll let you go.
So every time we come to a Valahia, two things occur, Team Liquid make the playoffs and the
team with the stand-in invariably gets the stand-in buff.
Is the mood in the Team Liquid camp that this could be another Valahia win, you're all
feeling like this is definitely, you know, at finals at least?
I don't know, I don't really think about wins or not wins, I'm just kind of like, okay,
well if I do my job, good things will happen and then whatever good things means, good
things means.
finals they'll be fucking hype but yeah I don't know I'm just here to do my best
and take it a day at a time you know for now we beat heroic and then we look
forward to the guys who play in playoffs. I love it man I love the attitude
that's how we feel every day we turn up to work as well you know you do the prep
good things will happen great talking to you we'll see you in the playoffs all
the best for the rest of the tournament. Thank you so much thanks for having me
have a good day. Yeah you too brother Godspeed what a guy. What a guy what a
downgrade as well from coaching cut playing from liquor yeah i can't believe it i just can't
believe the cut it's like only there's like one percent of one percent of the chat that even
knows like what that is what we're referring to they had a very cool logo during bd no they had
the best logo i mean i remember that and it was like when slacks brought you remember the cut yeah
when slacks brought that up on day one i was like because you were casting at the time i couldn't
believe it, but no one gave a shit about NA DPC like that. You'd think that that
It was just like the top three teams that that mattered production in our airway. You take that back
Listen, I was in NA DPC. So I'm so I'm self deprecating what I say that dude
I'm I was out there playing against ecce's team. Apparently I didn't realize like they even had a coach
There you go. But yeah, um
Just the final four before break. I mean team liquid looking very very good today
We wondered how having a standing might affect them they play like that. They're gonna be there
I also didn't see too much of like Echie's personality
Maybe each like an interview here and there but I could definitely see why team liquid decided to pick him up
It's just like good vibe. Yeah
Yeah, he's great. I hope to see more of him
Maybe we should have asked him about what the team prospects are for him because like is he is gonna be pitch squeak plus four still or is he like
fielding offers, you know, because...
Well, tell you what, we'll make a pledge now.
If they win the tournament, we'll get them on the sofa.
Yeah, let's do it. We'll help you right here.
We'll just take him away from slacks and just put him here.
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So you saw Team Liquid doing incredibly well there before the break.
Now we're going to talk about another potential tournament winner in the form of Falcons.
They're going to be, sorry, and for American viewers, Falcons.
And they're going to be taking on Gamer Legion.
So let's talk about Falcons because I know that it's such an insane journey.
The ups and downs of this team, they sometimes are so quick to figure out a meta.
They dominate, and then sometimes they're so far behind, they just look lost and adrift.
Here's the thing, Richard, once these guys reach the top level, they don't let go.
So I think once they figure it out, they're going to be figuring it out.
Yeah, pretty much. It's the Falcon's Grip, you know.
Absolutely.
They're going to be staying on the top.
It's just that they need to figure it out.
You see some like new ideas in the team.
They're playing some new heroes.
So definitely trying new stuff out, testing things out as well.
I'm also going to say I won't name who it was, but one of our talent crew, we were watching
a Falcons game yesterday back in the hotel, and they went, Skeeter's playing Lone Druid.
Like it was the most surprising thing of all time.
No name.
Yeah, we don't want a Snatch on Syndrome.
It wasn't Syndrome, it wasn't Syndrome.
We'll get to talk, well we'll hear.
Yeah, we'll hear his thoughts in a moment.
I mean, obviously, you know, it's not necessarily a typical carry hero that we would pick, right?
But it makes sense for him.
Yeah.
His playstyle.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
I mean, looking at some of their favorite heroes, this is the hero that sticks out.
This is why Sinner is the go-to analyst.
The always was, always will be.
Because he kind of nailed it there.
This lone druid, they picked it four times.
And so far, Skeeter in his professional career did play six times total, including these
four games as well.
But you can also see like other heroes being picked for example queen of pain one of their most big heroes
This is not a hero that you relate to Maureen when you think about him
And I'm also to have to double check the win rate that he has on the hero
It's sitting at 50% only which is not the greatest for professional
Athletes meanwhile we're talking about it being a lone druid patch game alleging. We were talking about ghost
How he's got the source. He's definitely got lone druid in his locker
Yeah, he does. Like this guy, you know, I wanted to talk about Falcons and how the meta looks really good for them because I think it does, you know, Bristleback being very strong,
Kerry's being fast paced and Tiny Kerry and, you know, Skeeter likes to play stuff like this. Same thing goes for Ghost. Like this guy is only playing like weird, very high tempo stuff.
Stuff and you know, even like the necrophos for example is super pickable anything that can turn into a ghost
Ghost will play he likes the green here is literally only played green heroes. Oh my god
Those are just green heroes even tiny screen
Shout out to the Necro pick though because we we were hyping this up
Yeah, on the left you've been talking about how it could be good for Necro right now
It could be like I think most of our predictions were right regarding what's gonna be strong in this patch and
Glad that teams are also
Not too afraid to experiment like especially go like he's hero pool just looks insane
Like these are not the like if you saw these heroes in the previous patch
We'll be like get this guy out of my team like get this loser out
But ghost he's been popping off like he's the performances so far have been insane
And he's the top one longer
you know, all these other carry
players are having to learn
long jurid. You're pretty happy
right now. Having the guy who
would play it no matter what on
your team and for everyone at
home, obviously you can see the
past encounters there on your
screen. Just to make this clear,
obviously the winner will be in
the playoffs. Game Legion. I
think they've had a tough time
of it. Yes, they did get the
mouse game. That was a victory
for their mouse as we talked
about earlier in disarray. Still
good enough to beat Tundra. But this is a team that is in the ascendancy. It is
trending upward. Yeah, you can definitely tell. Like even in the previous
encounters they're doing good, I guess. Like they haven't been many, but seems
like the matchup against Falcons could be good and that they are getting better
as tournament progress. Like they haven't managed to get into top 8 in tier 1
tournament. They did good at the previous Premier Series tournament, which
Which is considered to be a tier 2 tournament, considering the teams that they have.
But if they manage to get a dub in here, they're going to secure themselves.
They could have already been through, Dom.
Remember, they had that very close couple of games against Team Liquid before they got
stomped in the third.
So do not take them lightly.
I'm sure Vulcans won't be.
Yeah, they're serious yesterday against Team Spirit.
It was just a master class performance.
Well, there's one hero that I think is going to be respected.
And they did respect it.
It's Speed's Venomancer.
these guys are very good at using it. They showed that they can play pretty much anything
like they're also Huskar team. They're playing Kess plus Florida combos that we've seen.
They love to have a dream stroke on top of that. And look at Falcon.
Oh my God, they will not stop taking this hero. I see it and it's I laugh, but I know
it's a very good hero. Like we, unless it's, you know, played from the mid lane, it has
generally looked extremely good in the offline. Well I just love that Amar is
still, without the seeing Red Fassa as well Amar still pushes this hero to it's
absolutely. Yeah he's he's the best. The best
person in the world. He's the best player in the world when it comes down to
heroes who can turn. So Bristleback, Amar's, he just utilizes that so well.
Amar's nowadays is much easier after the recent changes to Bulwark where you can
easily click it. It's even for our dummies. It's very easy to use compared to what it was before,
unless you use directional movement. Or you can click to which way you're facing.
Yeah, so that's a way easier. That's good for us old guys.
That's really good. Yeah, Amar, like since they, since Falcons like became a thing,
the way that they won games was by just like flawless positioning and teamfights. And you'd
always have like a mar on the outskirts of a fight 10% HP still able to find a
time to like jump back in and the whole team does this like they're really good
at like positioning and fights and getting another round of spells off so
having a mar on a hero like bristleback they basically use him as like okay this
guy is like the nucleus of the fight he's never going to die he's going to be
the news some fancy word and then everyone else jank is you didn't everyone else is an
is an electron okay word yeah that's a good word i was talking about maher earlier actually
he came up with that one uh but yeah i mean he's like they they basically all position around a
maher as like the the you know centerpiece to the fight so proud of you that's all i'm gonna say
that was good we're we're elevating we're elevating death segments from a whole new level that's nice
I think Enchantress is going to be a hero for Falcons as well that they will love the place,
snaking he is a bit of a greedier 5 as well, he likes to farm.
And we've seen this hero even in position 4 where you're just getting the Aghanim Scepter,
we saw Aghanim Scepter rush, something that 9 class did do, and it feels really strong,
like the undispellable root, plus having two creeps just feels super strong,
And it's also a hero that they are very familiar with playing. This is a hero that they had
I think during one of the dream leagues. It was like 26 27 wins in a row and enchantress
if you
Had a gun to my head and you showed me this draft
The first two picks and just beat falcon and you said is this Falcons I
Would say this I with 100% confidence. I would not be afraid for my life
Like just the order in which they pick them and the heroes
It's so falcons. Can I ask about the loan drew instead? I'm not going on right now. Oh, yeah, that's a bit weird, isn't it?
You're you're totally right
gamer legion
respecting I guess
The the alchemist more than the loan drew thinking that it's like a really overpowered here
I'm not wanting to give out to Skeeter so they to be honest if you showed me the radium draft as well with these two in this order
I could also potentially say that it is a Falcons. Yeah, you're getting shot
Yeah, you know, is there a world where it's like
Alk
Some other position like fade Alk and then the Loneford can still come out. Let's do the thing
I was gonna ask you obviously we've seen Alk, you know
Primarily used it in the one but can we can we put it somewhere else in this patch?
I don't know, maybe like if it's flexed until the end, but
Haven't tested it so I can't really tell how strong the hero actually is
From position 4, like you can still stack but you are melee position 4
Which I don't think you want to be doing I think the the whole idea of the hero right now is
Just figured out so you don't want to be messing with that
It's just too good to skip on something that I could talk about the core battle to feel the same way
If it wasn't Malarine, I would say like Ember Spirit is likely to come out here
It's just not his hero, but because it's him
Maybe death profit like something something that can lane against the San King
I mean obviously Queen of Pain would be really good, but they first phase banned it. I'm just thinking like what what is it?
They can pick to like
slobber knock the
You know, it's got to be something that's like sub more
sub dermal here. For Falcons.
Yeah, I'm just listening like you're doing it on purpose now.
Sub dermal. Huh?
Yeah, pretty standard pretty standard pick.
I mean, I'm down for like a life stealer. Maybe that could come
out for Falcons later. I'm okay with Tiny as well that can't come out. I still feel
the hero is super strong. We finally got a dub with the combo, like Phoenix plus Tiny.
Finally getting a dub on the board. But this is the mage there, Viar, from the mid lane.
How do these teams figure out a counter to non-dribbity? Did they both know?
There's some scrim knowledge going on here.
weird. Yeah, we were saying yesterday how bored we were seeing Lone Druid. Here he is, he's
just open, available. We've got a Lone Druid specialist on Game of Legion, you've got Skeet
applying him, it's kind of crazy. Man, what happened to Snathfire? I know that this hero
is okay. Every time Phoenix comes out. It's not just the Phoenix, it's all like you have
save against Bristleback early you have like good damage I feel you can also
like push people out of the combos that they're going for with the bushwack
bushwack coming out from hoodwink maybe you dodge the sharpshooter on top of
that as well I mean I know you know this but snap fat totally uncontested this
dog yeah it's just her innate ability now like her innate ability in the
previous patch was one of the worst ones might be like top three or bottom three
Everyone call it and now it seems like the hero again needs a little bit of oomph to be to be played need some sauce
Yeah, definitely. There's no sauce there for sure
Mortimer eight older sauce. Yeah
It's all honestly like half the reason maybe not half
But it's a big reason like Phoenix is so strong when there's no good natural egg killers in the meta like even earth
So we barely we're talking about that on the first day right the egg scramblers the lack of right now
Yeah, just makes it a lot, you know
Egg feels like a lot more of a like big awesome teamfight ultimate than a liability and in some games it can actually feel like a liability
I mean even even in this game like game religion their best answer to the egg is Beastmaster
He doesn't give the aura to allies anymore. So it's just him that's gonna be walking into male orange and hitting it
It's not that good
So came religion they're looking for position for
for big num. Rubik is banned. That would have been very good.
Wonder if he was celebrating his birthday yesterday. Might be a little bit hungover,
do they maybe? True. Oh, Grimstern. Okay, that's banned. Of course, no professional
go-to-play would ever do that. No, absolutely not. I'm just joking.
Well-rounded draft from Gamer Legion. Amazing Ags carrier. Yeah, like everybody who gets Ags
feels really nice, sinking Beastmaster. This is going to be
the Beastmaster that gets eggs from the Offlane.
I mean, they have the flex between Sanking and Beastmaster,
but I assume they want to put Beastmaster on the Offlane,
have that extra bit of Oomph coming out from his helm of the Dominator,
you have Chen Creeps, you can put a lot of pressure,
and you would probably be the first one getting the eggs from the Alchemist.
So you have a pretty strong timing on Gamer Legion.
And there is a world where Falcons runs Void Spirit Offlane, carry Bristle, and then they
play like a mid-death profit or something like that, and it's like the three melee heroes.
Yeah, they have the flex.
I think Void Spirit from the Offlane feels strong.
This is something that Amar does play as well.
They have a bit of a flex if they can find a pick that works better from the carry or
the midroll.
I guess weaver is not so bad either because there's very little good lock down for weaver
but also techies can be a bit of a problem with the taser she's squishy no saves like
you get initiated on by roar followed with the sinking stun you're just straight up dead
I'm just thinking for skeet daddy like what is it in his wheelhouse he's very he's the
I would never call him that again.
He's very specialized in his hero picks.
Are there any are there any classics that they could go back to for him?
Because they do they do.
Wow. Okay.
All right, Jenkins, what did you tell me?
Hundred dollars.
What if I can predict the last pick?
Yeah.
The team is going to lose.
That's that's what I said.
It's interesting though, it's not a hero I would necessarily associate with Skeeter, you know.
These days, these days more so.
Yeah, more so.
Like, he was the big tanky, fat guy, player, you know, the Dragonites of the world, and the Life Steelers, but...
The Tidecari.
I mean, he was, like, he had a facet that was called Skeeter Step, so...
That's true.
We'll definitely connect with this guy.
like gamer legion i want to see how much they're going to be able to do the right now they're still
discussing who is going to go where after seeing the weaver pick whether they want to be putting
the sanking there and like weaver plus phoenix it's a strong lane you can always like teepee out
so they're going to go with fade fade is the one who had extremely good game yesterday on that
sanking he kind of solo carried the game he did play sanking only one time but that performance
I think both heroes, Beast and Sand King will do fine against a Void Spearman.
They're not going to like stomp him, but they'll do fine.
And against a Weaver, there's probably more kill threat with the Sand King plus Tekki's
combo.
If you can burrow into Tekki's blast off, it's a lot of damage and disable.
You can definitely pressure a Weaver who's got really low stats with these two big bursty
nukeers.
We're going to find out a bit more about this Alchemist as well this game.
I don't know enough about Ghost and how good he is on the hero.
And it came in at the start of the day at 40% win rate, but it's only got through a few times.
Yeah.
Prior to this event, it was on like 70% from the online tournament.
I mean, I'll just ask you guys the question.
Like, do you feel like it's countered in this draft?
Like, I don't see anything.
I mean, not really.
Anything on Falcons.
It's like, there's the option.
Also like the AC buyer and you're playing against a lot of physical damage from bristleback from weaver
So it feels really good. I think overall good game for alchemist the buff up his team in multiple ways
I'll bring in our commentators. No loan druid. So you've got that going for you. How do you feel about the alchemist?
Is it counted? I'd like to apologize again Richard really unprofessional of me second day in a row
So, uh, I, I, I see chocolate.
It's, it's honey this time.
Honey. Okay.
I opened the packet and it exploded on me and now the cast is ruined.
I'm so sorry, everybody, which, okay.
But Alex, good.
Oh, Richard, don't write Alex.
Great.
God, these are the best intros ever as we get into the series.
Falcons versus gamer legion.
NA versus NA cinder.
And what a matchup we have.
True.
Yeah, every team is NA if you stretch far enough, I guess not that much of a stretch
Coach they have a player. Okay close enough. You know, yeah, you can have it Amar Amar likes NA as well
So that's that's three. Okay easy
Dota was made in NA. That's right every player that plays it is NA. That's true
Yeah, I I agree with the panel overall though
This seems like a pretty good alchemist game for it being overall first pick. There's like no
Direct one-to-one hero counters and when it when we were looking at the last pick for Skeeter
I was I was looking at weaver as well and I was like there was no hero that felt
truly great for him to last pick out of his
His specialty hero so he's gonna go for the weaver
But he will be playing against multiple pretty nasty stuns. Roar is a tough one to deal with San King Burrowstrike is instant
There's a lot of burst damage between either of those two plus techies. So I don't feel like you're really safe necessarily
I'm painting a picture of really liking the gamer legion draft and I do but I don't think Falcons is draft is weak whatsoever either
The good news for elk if you just watched the previous series
didn't really have the best friends to give aggs to. This is different. Oh yeah. Very
good friend. Surely he's going two aggs now. I would think so. I would think so. These
are S tier aggin and acceptors for the Beastmaster Sankking. We see them purchase it every game.
Well, Beastmaster when he's mid at least. So yeah, I'm excited about that. We'll see
how it ends up playing out though. Look at speed down bottom with his zealot. We were
thinking about how this was going to impact the games an interesting change
to Chen to be sure
of course reminds us all of prelux
that's right explode on him
how does it work exactly? you suicide on the...
it can sacrifice itself
and it heals who? marnardom
uh... you can choose who it heals
it targets you can target an ally
but it's in range i'm guessing
yeah, 500 railing
either a bit of burst damage or a bit of burst heal
very cool
So the damage when you use it on an enemy is 25 plus 20% of the current health of the
zealot, which means if it has full HP that's 135 damage nuke, and it heals for half of that
when you sacrifice it.
Not insubstantial when you're laning with a hero like Alk to have a little bit of extra
damage.
I'm assuming the damage type is magical, it doesn't say what it is.
That kind of matters because you're playing with a minus armor hero, but I think it's
magical.
um
Of course very surprising that it's not
Noted on there
I say that half tongue in cheek actually because I think they've been doing a pretty good job of making things a lot more
Transparent with damage types and still don't know the spellable unicycle move speed. That's right. That's the other one
It's keeping me up at night valve. Please add the unicycle move speed
What do you think of sank king in the off lane?
currently. Because we're used to seeing it mid and obviously does quite well.
I think it's fine when you know your matchup. He didn't at the time, but obviously they had the choice in the end when they saw Weaver.
Do we want to put Beastmaster there or do we put Sanking there?
I think Sanking can, as long as the lane matchup isn't all that bad, I think it's fine.
The mindset of Sanking can't really be played in the off lane is maybe a bit outdated because in 740 it was really weak.
It was so hard because of how extremely oppressive the fives were, and how little your force could really do to help, and you would just fall behind hopelessly in some games.
I think that's a lot better now.
So, obviously you are leaning into arguably the strongest five of the patch here in Phoenix, but like Ekki pointed out in the interview, it's not nearly as stupid as Jakiro or Warlock were in the previous patch, so you should probably be able to get a decent amount.
I don't mind it. I think it's a good shout from Game Religion to recognize the flex in this hero and the patch.
So whose team would you rather be at this stage?
We have a concoction onto the Bristol, but Ghost is going to have to go back to lane.
I think overall I do like Radiant a bit better, but compared to, let's say, last series I was very liquid favorite in both games.
I don't feel the same way here for Ghost.
He's in some trouble, Amar continuing with the cool spray, getting right through by speed, getting slowed down by the penitents now.
He's not in range of the Alk any longer, instead an acid spray comes, and speed of all heroes gets the first blood onto Chen.
Does cost him his life, but well worth it.
Very close affair there for both Falcons and Gamer Legion in the bot side.
left side, and Skeeter doing quite well on the CS department to start this game.
Okay, Thetis is definitely losing this lane without question, largely because Phoenix
just is as strong as it is, Tekkis can help a good amount but not enough to offset the
Phoenix advantage.
But again, you've got 15 CS Minute 4. Like last patch you might have had like 8 if you were leaning against Shakiro, right?
It's like if you even... Yeah, so it's a bit of a... There's levels to this thing.
There's a mark trying to get back on track here in the bot lane after dying a little bit early.
early. Top lane in fact, Fade gonna get chased out and yeah there's a swarm on him so we'll
die to Snake King it seems. If you leave him alone he's gonna die. Bignum went to stack
which is good, they should be stacking but ideally you'd find the timing to stack in
such a way that Sand King can either play a little bit off on the side and leech XP
or that the wave is in your tower but obviously you know Falcons are gonna try to counteract
that's never happening
Yeah, maybe a bit of a mistake maybe they just test to fully sacrifice CS there in order to get the stacks made
R.C.Y. I mean, yeah, he's got six here. Oh the XP
He was one short and now this was very telegraphed now Malarene should know that techies is here because
Otherwise why was Beastmaster posturing like he wanted to go roar immediately? Yeah
and he has called over crit to cover 39 and 14 to 23 and 1 so not remotely close in the
mid lane, RCY off to an excellent start, like you say couldn't get the surprise tactics
there, 6 minute power and about to beat, and looks like gamer is going to get it one way
or another, big nun picks up the Invis, does Void Spirit beat anyone in lane?
That's why I just, this hero feels so underwhelming to me in general.
I don't think it ever really wins.
Beastmaster on the other hand, does it ever lose?
True.
In lane, it's very hard.
I guess, obviously there are some nightmare matchups, but the vast majority are.
The ones that aren't hopeless feel like drawdwurst, and a lot of them you win, against melee
heroes in particular, such as Void Spirit, he's up by 1k.
That's a nice steal though for very big games.
going to leech a little bit here.
Snake is level 4 and they have the vision onto big num.
He's going to have to blast off the other direction.
And yeah, he's taking a ton of damage.
So taser does go off, but sketer with just a little casual shikuchi gets the kill.
Nice double burrow strike from fade, who's connected to sketer right now.
He has sandstorm in 5 seconds, so actually he can.
Yeah, he's going to go for this.
Absolutely. No detection on weaver.
Skitter is going to have to give up. You lose, sir. My Envy's lasts 10 times as long as yours, so...
Bade will grab the wisdom there.
And the bottom one you have to reclaim, but on the way is Crit, so a split
on those two. And unexpectedly, a pretty even start here. It feels like, you know, you look at the net worths
and it looks like there's parity between, you know, there's like two heroes even,
then there's a little bit of a gap to the next two and a bigger gap to the following two,
but they're not the same positions. The Sand King has the same net worth as the Mid Void Spirit,
and the Mid Beast Master is almost the same as we were. So this makes for a potentially
interesting development in this game where the power of the lineups are coming from different
places, and I like Gamer Legion a little bit more there because I think Sand King is more,
I'd say in his given priority in the game and the overall qualities of the hero, I think
he can do better with a worse game than Void Spirit can.
Oh, Ghost.
He's going to go down here.
The rotation comes through from Mal'Rain.
Very big kill.
They actually block off speed as well, beautifully done from Mal'Rain, making good use of that
haste.
Eight minute power into immediate move.
That's what you want to see.
And now he's looking a lot healthier.
we were just saying doesn't do that much with low net worth but power runes can
power runes are worth a lot of gold and
we'll find those two picks now needs to be careful not to give it all back
as these messers still hang around down here we'll walk into phoenix not get the roar off though
sneaking finds the distance and he's out of there
So a very good minute there for Falcons really. They find two kills, they get the Void Spirit
online, they avoid the Beastmaster's rotation so he didn't really gain anything in the meantime.
Now this starts to look... Any delays to this Radiance on the Alk is gonna be good news for
Falcons. I mean how does this late game look, Weaver versus Alk kind of match up?
It's kind of a special one, actually.
Alchemist is, you know, if you're thinking about it in the traditional sense of Alc farming
for himself, then what often times happens in this matchup is that Alchemist will be
5-10k ahead of the Weaver, he will have Blink as one of his items, then he'll either have
a Bissell, Bloodthorne, or both, and then he can kill Weaver.
But with how people are playing Alchemist nowadays, we're giving Ags over.
I don't know if that timing is ever going to come into play.
I think Weaver will... I mean, if Alc is gifting 2x, Weaver will stay ahead of him and net worth pretty much the entire game, right?
Which by extension means you don't have that problem and you should be looking more to itemize against Beast Bastard and Sand King, which is likely going to be a Lincoln's, I would think.
BKB is also a possibility, of course.
But yeah, in this particular meta, I think that's not a bad matchup for Weaver, per se, even if Alc is farming.
That's how we'll be the first choice for Skeeter, no big surprise.
Standard. See how fast Fade can get his Blink Dagger.
About halfway there. Ish. Big num is caught and sent to the grave. Nice and easy combo.
I didn't talk about that. Crit on one of his best heroes these days for sure.
I mean, when I think of Crit, the first hero that comes to mind is Earthsphere.
The hero just doesn't exist. But after the fact, it's like the tusks.
Blinks. Bloodwink is up there.
I think he's playing something in Clink's.
I mean, he loves Clink's more than any hero.
How often does he play it in pro games though?
He played it a lot when it was a viable support.
That was a very short period though, wasn't it?
It was like three months maybe?
It's been on and off different times, but yeah, in terms of recent years it's been very
little.
Oh, Maureen gets this.
Acts down by RCY.
and sent packing and they're turning this straight into some pressure on the
mid tower see if bigna wants to look for some proximity mines doesn't look like
that and RCY is still gonna go for the agonist scepter of course it will be
shocking gifted to him anyway so the full refund eventually true but this
what's the case to be made now my question is and I think I already know
the answer but because you buy this first on Beastmaster and is there any
consideration as well speaking of the devil the scorpion himself is about to
go down to skater is there any consideration to giving it to the
sanking first because he's not going to be going for that early you know what
I mean I know what you mean and I think you have to give it to these yeah because
RCY is going to be carrying this game so you want to give him the best possible
conditions sanking will get one eventually of course I would imagine
from the Alk but he's less likely to get the immediate value out of it whereas
when Beastmaster gets this 4.2k injection, he can immediately buy BKB and just be a terror in the fights.
I'm assuming he will buy Blink next after his own Ags on the Beast, and then that means he'll have Blink,
Ags, BKB at like 17 minutes maybe, or 18 minutes, depending on Alchemist's freedom,
which is a ridiculous timing, right? It's just insane. Big num will be found again.
This is a really good pairing with Void Spirit.
Void Spirit has this problem a lot of the time that he doesn't quite deal enough burst damage to go for the kills himself,
but Woodwink is always there to lend a very strong helping hand. Tons of bursts.
So all you need to do is just connect.
Pressure on mid here by Falcons.
Yeah, do they fully commit?
Looks like they do.
to keep poking and now it's getting close to the nigh range they will and it will be
theirs to claim.
Oh nice to know.
Nice to know.
They're from a boar.
Wow.
The razor back.
Those boars are really thick too.
Yep.
Very interesting cosmetic.
I'm a song by Justin Timberlake.
Boars are really thick.
No I'm bringing razor back.
Oh okay.
Yep.
He's a big Dota fan then huh?
That's right.
Now the Blink Dag are now online for Fade, so see how active they want to be here pretty
early on.
Pretty even start to this game, of course there's an Alchemist game as the Asterisk's
book.
Asterisk's this.
And as the Obelix as well.
you wouldn't get that reference because you don't like
I play that game
oh the game
you know it's a comic right?
there's a
I mean there has been video games made of asterisks and obelisks but it is
it is a comic, it's a very famous comic
is that the one with the Vikings? it's the Gaeliks
I mean basically the Vikings
not really Celtics
yeah they're all built
that's close enough
yeah I actually do remember that
you know this right? there's a little guy with a winged helmet and then there's the
really big guy and everything is so big is that he fell into the cauldron of magic drink
when he was a kid.
So he's like, he's like a brute.
And then there's this stupid bard that they all hate when they have dinner, so they always
just tie his mouth and tie him to a tree and then they eat in peace every single time.
That does sound familiar.
That's old school right there.
So it's a good comic.
But I do think it has been spun into both like a TV show and video games.
I can't wait for the movie.
I think there is a movie too.
I doubt that.
I do think so.
I doubt that.
Google it.
I can't touch my keyboard because there's honey everywhere.
That's very unfortunate.
Asterox and Obelix movie.
I exploded on myself today.
Just unfortunate.
1999 Asterix and Obelix versus Caesar.
IMDB 6 out of 10.
I don't like the IMDB ratings because the scale is weird to me.
You're only using like two numbers. Everything is between six and eight.
Oh, you know what I mean? Like, you're using very few of the numbers here.
Is the epicenter combination?
Burl onto Amar, he's taking a ton of damage, he does die but not before the two deaths of Gamer Legion.
Classic Bristol situation, just so standard, the amount of output while you're dying.
They have a Radiance now on Ghost, so...
He's peering up the first eggs, we'll start amplifying.
Okay, let's entertain the idea that Beast doesn't go blink.
Is there a world here where you rush Silver Edge?
because you're getting the axe for free, then you can basically get silver, like, once again, as soon as you get the axe from Alki, you can have the silver.
Oh, blast off into the concoction. They have vision. The lines are placed.
Get the disarm Skeeter though. The time lapse to keep him safe for the time being, and now a Shikuchi.
Getting Radiance burned. Amar joins the party though, and Skeeter shall survive.
Now the question is, can they get out with their lives? Now, Rean joining the party. Now, even an egg plays, and Ghost takes a tumble.
tumble big kill very big for falcons to get the tier one as well and that might
have been a possible kill on weaver with slightly better execution I think maybe
big num didn't get the mines out just in time in that instance I do think that a
decent job at layering the stuns though but yeah those little moments you
know if you kill the weaver you save your elk as well so it's a two kill swing
executing that correctly still curious to see what RCY is going to do here
Obviously, his injection of gold is getting delayed significantly by these two alchemist
deaths we've had so far, so I wonder if that's going to influence his item builds.
Nothing in the quickbite just yet.
So we will have to be patient.
Now it's the dagger.
Okay, so standard.
Seems to be the way to go.
I do think you do want a Silver Edge, though, regardless, as Skitter is going to kill Speed.
Very easy target for Weaver the entire game.
has no counter play, except giving himself armor, but he doesn't have parts of the mind
favoritone.
He can use his zealot.
Oh yeah.
Very strong.
That's the stuff.
How many zealots can you have?
One.
Only one, huh?
Yeah.
It's not a very strong religion.
At least I think so, right?
You just have the one when you respawn, right?
Yeah, I think you can only have one.
It's too bad.
Do you like that concept?
Not really.
I like it thematically.
Thematically, yeah.
But in terms of its gameplay impact, I'm not sure yet.
No.
Not really.
I do like it better than, haha, I get to start with a tomato every game, or potato, excuse me.
I thought that was pretty lame.
I think they could do something more interesting.
Add a skill to every creep that you get just turn them into prelux
or that
Prelux would increase the damage of your melee barracks, so hmm like the creeps that come out of it
That is yeah, that's pretty strong as we have a smoke from both sides actually
You want you want a tower hero to how about a barracks hero Jen can just stand in base and buff his barracks sounds good to me
Making a temporary barracks to spawn creeps out of sounds cool
It's kind of like, wait, which hero was that in Warcraft 3 that could spawn the Clockwork Goblin building?
What was it called? The one that was Tinker's model?
No, I don't remember.
What was it called? No, it wasn't called Tinker, was it?
Well, maybe it was called the Goblin Tinker as a regular Warcraft 3 hero.
All right, well, time for Roche!
Yeah, it doesn't, they don't collide with each other, but now it provides a little opportunity for Roche to be taken.
They have Deso, they have Swarm, and we can see on the minimap that Gamer Legion not really close here, so...
So, this is a really nice pick because you're two minutes away from Torment or down bottom as well, so...
You could... I feel like you don't see that that often in the tournament so far, that teams take risks...
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa!
...and then also...
He snatched the aid! What killed Roche? Was it a creep?
Wait, I didn't even...
How did that happen?
I have no idea what killed him.
What in the world?
I didn't even consider it a creep.
Was it the zealot? Could it be?
Anyway, this is a relatively uncommon instance, at least in the games we've cast, where a team gets Roche sub-20 and can therefore get Roche into Torm, usually it's either been a trade or an opposite order.
But this is very good news for Falcons, alright, let's have a look here.
Oh, there's the mudgull.
Holy...
That is hilarious.
Why is he not being tipped by his teammates? He got the Roche kill with a mudgull and...
That is hilarious.
Wow. Play of the game. Play of the day even. That is so unlikely. Alright first eggs. Let's see what is.
Oh. He gave it to Sand King. Alright, alright. I brought it up just in there as a possibility.
I mean I still don't think it's the right thing but. Well he's top net worth in the game now.
game now. You got two big boys. You do. Now it needs to pay off. If you're going to do this over
giving it to Beast, you need to find team fights so you get value out of this epi. Because the
alternative is to give Beast just more farming speed in addition to team fight sequencing.
The Sanking Axe obviously does nothing except when he fights. 4.2p gold on Beast can turn into more.
Falcons, we'll get this Tier 2 for free. Amar now has Hairball on the way.
They want to contest the Torm entry. Okay, I like it for this, actually. If your play
call is Falcons are going to do Torm, now we have Agh's Sanking. It's actually super
cool for this exact situation and timing. I really hope this was the rationale.
There's not them.
I love this.
This could be really sick.
There's no way Falcons are going to expect a Sanking Agh's here.
Snaking might be popping some smokes now. They're just on the outskirts. They see the goo though
So they know it's being started. Yeah, this could be disgusting and now the swarm in the tree line fade at the center
He's propping it now
What he blinked out. Oh
They got cold feet come on
Come on
Well good formation from Falcons though. You got to give credit where it's due they were not giving a pile on top of the
tormentor situation
to gamer legion to find that exact fight
uh... but now the sinking egg sucks a bit more
yet
then the defense but that was the moment you really wanted for and you get to
fight and they had it i had faith
it took roach like things are
working in your favor
the mud golem
he died for nothing
well he did deny some gold no
He died for nothing. The momentum was supposed to be secured with that mud golem.
But now you've just sat on your hands, disgusting display.
So Ghostbot gagged on Alk and now he wants another axe.
So he wanted an intermediary mobility item to try to fight with Sanking, I guess.
Well, with all of them of course, but to couple with that timing.
Um, now is Shirley going to be reimbursing
R.C.Y. who has a nice blink reaction there.
Will be okay.
Should be good.
Still a minute and a half on that Aegis for Mr. Skeeter.
Falcon's with the smoke. Now what's the plan with this one?
There's no objective. Oh, you're gonna probably lose your bristle to everything.
He is very dead.
No reinforcements here.
This feels a little bit like a smoke for the sake of smoking, not because there's an inherently
obvious move here.
You're not threatening an objective, you're not, I mean, the enemy team has already shown
you now where they are, so.
Yeah, I mean, maybe you just want to use the Aegis if you can, Skeeter.
Doesn't have a whole lot of mana.
He doesn't have the chemical rage anymore, and he just evaporates.
Okay.
Gracious me, oh my.
Malarine's gonna run into a bunch of mines.
Cidrable amount of damage there.
He's gonna have to have more mines
and he will die for his disgraceful behavior
playing Tekkis.
Critt.
God fuck that hero.
I'm just getting triggered just watching
the amount of mines that were there.
He had the time to place like 15 mines.
Well they cleared out most of them
so that's good news for Falcon.
Nobody died.
That smoke went better than I expected.
I mean, that's the thing about these kills though.
The alt kill is obviously really nice
But it's worth a lot less than you would typically say,
just because obviously he has transferred his net worth.
So you killed the bottom net worth hero in the enemy team
and the third one with this smoke.
And you didn't get anything additionally.
So it didn't actually really move the gold
by any meaningful amount.
In the meantime, Beastmaster was free farming,
and so was Sinking.
So I think that smoke overall swung the gold by like 500.
At the same time, you want to do something, right? You're not just going to let them AFK farm.
So it's alright, but not a big deal.
Falcons might be running into Fade here. Skater actually going the correct direction. Fade.
He's spotted.
He's actually going to try to go for the epi play and the egg is placed to counteract all of it, so in the end it's a fate death for the egg.
Nice little grab there from Falcon, so looking for more down here.
Oh, what a push!
Oh my god!
Disgusting display from Crit as Ghost's spirit vessel applied and he is dead as well.
is dead as well. R.C.Y. a little late to the party, gets the roar off, wants to kill the squirrel, will do so.
Now reinforcements' victim joins the party. That's a BKB now to R.C.Y. He's going to continue to fight.
A lot of damage being applied to Amar. He's dead to rights as well, so double kill for R.C.Y.
Despite losing several members of his team, but now the numbers advantage still in Falcon's favor,
eventually overcomes the bad assness of R.C.Y. on the Beastmaster.
that's chasm stone right there by the way the hoodwink he went essence distiller
into chasm stone that's why he's finding that double bushwhack that looked too
big to be true which was she said that's right so they did get those kills and
yeah Beastmaster was a good turnaround but can't quite fully stick the landing
we'll be taken down on the way out so that overall I would say is a Falcons
win here, the Beastmaster kills big. It's much more meaningful kill than the Alchemist.
They finally put a stop to RCY's until then, flawless death counter.
Yep, he's got to start that axe again. See how long it takes him. So when he refunds
Beastmaster Agz would assume RCY. He already has the BKB so we'll get a nice juicy injection of gold to
purchase something else. He did get delayed here. He bought the Berserk potion as well
on the way for Ghost. Wanted to have the Dispel against Vessel.
That's going to find a connection onto the Phoenix. Snaking cannot dive out in time.
Skeeter did pop the BKB gets roared now
He has the lockdown needed to take out Skeeter. No, he's gonna time-lapse it now that Amar has shown up means that gamer
Lee you may want to go back in apparently Skeeter takes a ton of damage the right there's gonna be enough from RCY
They lose to San King in turn though as Amar now in a 1 versus 3 situation
Disarm applied as quick and to get the bush whack the sharp shooter as well
on the flying dino kills him on the way as rcy is going to be burst down as well
that's the ultimate get down this president of dota you're just
blast offing into a short shoot that was nice uh unfortunately just killed himself
uh beast master had no way out of that regardless but that was funny
me. Keep thinking this is lone druid. Yeah, the bear does very much look like this. One
of the red panda bear cosmetic looks almost identical to the Chen mount. Doesn't seem
to be as strong though. No, I think there's a fair case to be made that after five minutes
loan to its bear is better than a five-slot of chin but zealot yeah true
you know that's the saddest thing artifact you know it's whole death and
whatnot and there still hasn't been a single hero from it like come on ghost
Oh, Pancels is on TP and he's just gonna burn.
Oh boy.
He's about 700 away from Agnes.
He actually doesn't really lose any gold.
But, yeah, another death to his name.
I wonder how carry players actually feel about playing Elk.
It feels like you're support still.
Yeah, like who of the carry players that is used to being the centerpiece of strategies
likes playing like this?
It's fun.
It looks fun.
You're doing it to win, you're doing it because you think it's the best strategy, but it allows
you to farm more, though, you know?
Yeah.
And carry players are disgusting sickos.
That's right.
They do love hitting neutral, so I guess you get to do that a lot, but you don't really
get to, you know, carry the game.
Maybe eventually, I guess, because that gold will really, I mean, how much difference does
the gold influx make with each AGS, would you say?
Uh, like how much time do you need for that to pay for itself?
Pay for itself is a long time. Yeah, it's like 4200 gold is a lot
That's why I'm looking at the numbers and I'm curious why this seems to be worth it now
TP was canceled he'll get a courier for his troubles, but it's gonna get speed here another charge to his desolator
They're just playing the outskirts of the map right it's clear that game religion are
just trying to buy time waiting for the additional eggs of elk isn't that okay in
this meta this is a very loaded question because you know what my stance is on
this delete it what do you think about the arguably the two highest meta tier
carries right now elk and laundry they are top tier meta because it's just
Okay, it's actually just so stupid. The Alcon is cool though. Come on viewers like to see agonim scepter
Sure, I'm not doing with his hero after he gets agg. It's not even there's the aggs by the way
All right, it was gifted to be smashed. So let's see what he purchases with this money completes his man to plus shard
Okay
So this is a huge damage upgrade for him and he's going to buy the AC the panel is talking about this being a really good AC game
It's going to be on the Beastmaster rather than the Elk
Who now is going BKB on Ghosts. So just to try to survive. Now, this is a critical timing here for
The dire lineup looking to pressure high grounds with this Aegis on Skeeter. They have four minutes. They have a banner
Somebody's gonna have to defend it. I's an RCY. He's got a deliver. He is very very rich and they effectively have two and a half pours so
He's still in the mid lane.
Well, they're just giving it up.
They're just conceding the lane.
Falcon, I mean they have ages from the four minutes,
so you're gonna have to fight soon, surely.
I mean, is there an item about to be purchased by Fade,
like a BKB perhaps?
Is he really close?
Yeah, he's flying out now.
Okay, so that surely must be it.
Oh, no.
On the way there.
Oh boy.
So you bought time to get this BKB in,
lost a lane of barracks for it,
and you're BKB intercepted.
that's rough
this flag on that place and that's a career interception in the mid lane
did once and you like that like football
i can't make basketball references for shit
that's traveling
oh that's traveling that's right actually i know that term
uh... been a lot of that in this game for uh... the gamer legion site they're
just traveling in the jungle together
a bit of tropical thunder here
ghost will
get a bit of gold, head back to base, and get together with his team. They are going
to make their stand here on the high grounds. See why? Making it very clear where Gamer Legion
are at now. If you're walking down those steps like in this fashion, of course the team is
behind, so Valkyries would be wise to not even show any interest in getting into that
area knowing that there's mines. If you do, probably send up Bristol with the loaders
on him. But yeah, they're just not going to interact with that part of the map at all.
They're gonna go straight into mid, and they're gonna have to get back there.
They wasted so much time getting their Legion hat.
I feel like they've lost 3-4k in the last couple minutes alone.
They have.
And now...
Now they're gonna try for the backstab, and we'll see if this is successful or not.
This has to land. Don't roar the Void Spirit. He's got Lincoln's.
Oh boy.
They're coming from behind.
Mal'Reen might be the one to pop the smoke.
Crit has Glight near, by the way.
Q3's powered down again.
He's gonna use it.
Concaution is there. Ghost is going to have to try to get back to base. Meanwhile,
RCY jumps and gets the roar onto the Phoenix. They have to blow him up immediately.
Blast up there. It's enough. Phoenix flies back into the game. Now, he could be popped by RCY
in a retreat maneuver. You can see the epicenter not doing that much in the end. That's a big spell
down. All we've got is the Chen here from Falcons, but they finally get fade, and that is a big one.
As Ghost is just getting kited completely, right outside is Fountain, just by a singular hero in
Amar classic Amar. It's just 1v3'ing them at the fountain as
Bristol is going to be a second lane and if not more I mean it's still a full
minute and a half on ages. They don't they don't have the tier two top so
yeah they have to go for throne if anything. They're gonna at the very
least do some major poking here.
So on to the weaver and once that ages is up he's gonna have the vkb from his
backpack is now rain tries to go in for the kill of the tech he's not quite
Sharp Shooter in, though, from downtown.
That's right, it's a half-court shot there for Crypto, you would.
I don't know why it turned southern all of a sudden, but Amar
gonna create more space as this Tier 4 tower now will fall to Falcons.
How disciplined will they be? They still have that second life on the Weaver.
There's the buyback onto the Techies.
Skeeter's gonna try to reset, concoction applied to them right now.
They're trying to get Life number one, they will.
But at what cost exactly? BKB, Paw from Ghost along with the Chemical Rage.
Meanwhile, Speed just getting completely decimated by Bristol, able to get out thanks to the glimmer.
RCY just trying to stand in front of his agent, gets Aether remnant now and the Sunray doing massive damage.
Gets forced out as the rest of Gamer Legion just tucked away in their fountain.
And they haven't really done a whole lot to try to defend here. There's the roar. That is a dieback on the Snake King.
That is something for Gamer Legion to go off of, but can they get through any of these tanky cores?
It's looking like no, as RCY taking tons of right-click damage as Skeeter and Company will now focus down the ancient.
And this game number one about to go to the post. Okay, the re-initiation now from the sanking.
It's been such a long fight that the epicenter is back up Amar trickling away with very little HP.
Malory trying to finish the job is very close to doing so, but the burst right brings his life to an end.
And they're going to take Amar out as well. So a defense for Gamer Legion.
religion. Okay. It did cost quite a bit. They lose two lanes, the ancient fully
exposed it's half HP, but they do defend. This is why they farmed the jungle on Elk
for 20 minutes. This is the time to wrecks down, unlock your old eternal Envy
powers. Let's see what the plan is now. You got a ton of gold there. You got a
a lot. So Beast is going to get AC, Alc is going to go for the Silver, so I was talking
about Beastmaster potentially buying that, it will be the Alchemist doing it, this Bristlas
is just too big of a problem honestly. So he's going to buy the break, um, oh they're,
are they getting a secondary one? No, I just looked at it wrong. So Chen is going to get
a Solar Crest soon, and Sand King closing in on Bloodstone. So multiple really big ticket
items coming in from that fight, and you're going to understand why Falcons thought they
They could probably end the game there, but GamerLeader, they bid their time and as a
result we might be heading into, this isn't the game you necessarily end before the next
Roche I think.
It's kind of hard to just brute force it now.
And imagine if GamerLeader can somehow take the fight for that Roche.
The last two have just been free for Falcons.
They get contested.
Yep, that Tier 2 Tower tops is their saving grace.
Yeah.
They definitely would have gotten Megas.
Yep. If that didn't exist. 100%.
And then with Megas we've seen, I mean, when's the last time you saw a Mega comeback in pro game?
Over a year. I mean, I definitely haven't cast one myself in over a year.
They are way less frequent than they were two years ago.
Yeah, doesn't happen very often.
And I also think, there's obviously different types of lineups when it comes to playing against Megas.
Some heroes do it much better than others.
I don't think this radiant lamp is particularly good against megas, so I
Would not have much faith in them if that
Does come to be now ghosts just farmed about 2,000 gold in one minute, so he is going to get his silver
This could get interesting still it could absolutely
It was feeling like a methodical end yep
But now a little twist.
Because there's a Silver Edge, so they have the tools, Amar,
not going for a BKB.
Ten percent chance, says Dota Plus.
Yep.
Had two percent.
Two minutes ago.
Hmm.
So.
That one hold,
while it doesn't put them back in the game,
it gives them a chance to get back in the game.
No. I mean, I understand why they're not buying it. Just considering how could it just be at least one of these...
Oh my, oh my, oh my.
Let's keep clearing them.
Alright.
Sweeping complete, almost.
What's the most damage you've ever seen on a proximity line, Cinderan?
As in, if you were like running through many?
Or...
I'll tell you a little story here in just a moment if we have time.
But first, fade. On the high ground.
It gets cancelled out.
A lot of mines here.
I was watching a Herald review.
review okay from Jenkins and the techies had like four rapiers with spell
damage yeah and he had the bobble tier 4 item oh no and he got spell damage for
his tier 5 and he kept remaking over and over yeah to the point where he had
like something crazed like 200% spell damage a single red mine was doing a
thousand damage
Is that insane it's actually it's really funny to laugh at because I wasn't in the game
That's why it's funny
Yeah, very miserable to play against. Holy that sounds atrocious
How long was that game that it must have been there was a two hour game two hours. Yeah
And Roche is now up all the goodies inside
Gamer Legion know for sure because the techies find was inside crit will now scout it with acorn shot
And this is indeed going to be one that game religion wants to contest they cannot give this one up for free
So will they find the angle there's the war
Starting off
Babe after center he's actually gonna go for to get the first right to get the break on to the bristle back
It's not enough damage gonna get forced up to the high ground and now the egg from the high ground as well
They're gonna try to take it down the ghost just slaps right through it now
The focus is on the bristle the crimson doing so much against this right click of ghost
He's going to try to continue the breacher.
Meanwhile, you see the Beastmaster back to the high ground with all the mines,
but Ghost is left all alone and he gets three shot, basically, by Skeeter.
No buyback for him.
Speed is going to follow suit to the grave.
Looks like they still want to fight potentially Fade.
Goes for the burl, but then blinks out.
And now the rest of Gamer Legion on the run.
Amar gets the goo.
Big Nug.
Going to give him some speed, but there's the eighth run to bring him back.
And that should be the death of RCY as well.
And Skeeter's there to finish the job. He does have buyback, but again, without the Alchemist, how much are you really gonna do here?
Fighting the techies as he continues to put down mines over and over.
He's eventually gonna fall short later, okay? Skeeter's in a lot of trouble, but finally gets back up to full HP.
Casual little right-click, and that's four dead for Gamer Legion. Should be Roche for Falcons, although Roche is on the opposite side now.
Dude, I was just playing a mini-game.
He just kept running into one mind at a time and turning his back like he was playing a plural rhythm game.
Man, that was a valiant effort, I think, from Gamer Legion, the way they initiated that.
But it was a super fast force step.
I think that was courtesy of Crit.
Very, very important to get the Bristle back up to the high ground quickly,
because you saw they almost killed him, too, in spite of that, the Bristle, that is, narrowly survived
and has a huge impact on the rest of the fight. So obviously Ghost has over-extended here and just gets two shot by Skitter.
Unfortunately his teammates couldn't really follow through. I'm not sure what happened in the river.
I guess Mal'Rain just played really good zone control because if any other hero, except Chen maybe, could have been on that
Bristol, that is a kill and maybe you can snowball the fight from there.
But Falcons were
ready for that and now
surely the killing blow is imminent.
10 seconds, they have Gleff. But Skeeter with an Aegis and Lincolns is going to be a tough
not to crack now.
Yeah, the ball is in their court as they say. There's the epicenter. Again, beautiful damage
as they get life number one for Skeeter and now the roar comes out as well. RCY cleans
up one of the buybacks though from the Phoenix, has the refresher as well so to get back in
This fight will have double egg, and now Gamer Legion having to be forced back to their base.
This is going to be Mega Creep, surely, but the initiation, they're pounding onto Amar, gets forced out.
He has a BKB now.
And we'll go back in to finish the job onto that melee barracks.
Has a respectable amount of HP again, as Skeeter will officially get Megas.
So now the Mega comeback for Gamer Legion is what they need.
Of course, this is only game one of the best of three, it's been a pretty entertaining,
I mean we've gotten some stinkers, I'll be honest.
No, this one has been quite good though.
I mean, Gamer Legion are definitely showing pretty good form.
I think once again, we can discuss whether the strategy of how they itemize and who they
gave stuff to when, if that was correct, and obviously Falcons, World Class.
I think the main thing Falcons just did better this game was map play, that's been almost
their entire advantage has come from just better macro movements and making sure
you they got all the roaches right and they got all the tormentors that's their
entire gold lead and a lot of what they accomplished was off of that and that
begs the question with once again a hero like Alk I think it's very important
when you give your first eggs that there is a clear red thread in what you're
trying to do I I understand when they gave it to San King they wanted to fight
for the Tormentor, when that does not happen,
everything kind of gets delayed.
And that has been a big part of why Falkens
have got themselves into this mission.
Now, Sniaking is gonna do what I was going to suggest,
actually, he was working on a Shiva's,
but he's switching it into a disc.
I think this is just the most obvious item for the game.
The enemy team have ridiculous bursts and jump,
so if you have a disc, you can protect yourself now.
Unfortunately, Beastmaster's anticipating this
and we'll have the nullifier when the disk comes out.
So, Snaking could have been one step ahead,
and now instead he might be one step behind.
How does it work?
Do you get the dispel still from me on this?
If you're nullified?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, that's all he needs.
So yeah, you could still get the egg off.
Yeah.
As long as you don't, you're right.
It should be enough.
As long as you just need to immediately press your egg,
which is true.
So yeah, you're on the money with that one.
For it's particularly Phoenix,
it actually matters the least
to be up against the nullifier
smart as always sons venti
thank you
something like that
this will be used against me
and game religion just can't leave the base now
so difficult in these mega creep situations
they do have
i mean alkan push endlessly
same with Beastmaster
now Elk is...
once you step outside your base
because you know that
if Falcons really want to they can just wait for the next ages, they can wait for all the goodies again
but they'll have a second round with like double refresher shard
banners, I guess just... ugh, so hard
at the very least Elk gets pretty good gold from mega creeps
yeah, true
one of the better heroes in this game
they're trying to go for the... okay skier is about to be kb and now they have to
Exidus away JK everybody out
Well no epicenter now
See if Falcons want to push the envelope as a result of that looks like yes
They're in the cover of smoke looking for a quick snipe onto a chin or a zealot perhaps
Yes, the zealot about to drop everybody be careful chin
He's gonna die first of the bro strike onto to fade pops the bloodstone. There's a Sunray the egg ghost
This is going to try to focus down the egg, you'll get it actually.
Very surprising that Falcons couldn't protect it a little bit better.
Now, Marge is going to try to right click the ancient A-bit as Fade cover up his sandstorm being pulled back by the Aether remnant.
Ancient does take a bit of damage.
Falcons resetting.
Yeah, probably a little bit too early on the egg there, but maybe you have to use it defensively.
the march is beating down this ancient they have to do something about this
personal back linkin's is applied to him as well
stop can still looking for opening despite not having their phoenix I mean
he gets double egg up at any point like I don't see what the religion can do the
game is over if the first egg explodes okay so heads up play by ghost to make
sure he takes it down they're gonna wait and ghost is about to get swift
so that will be even easier
obviously no real point in saving buybacks here for the gamer legion side
I would imagine you just throw all your gold into items so you have a chance of winning the fight head-on
surprisingly almost level 26 here is
the first 25 in his team
whereas on the side of Falskeeter is spotted they actually do get off the
the roar, do they have the damage to burst through him? Yes they do, the timelapse was
being cast but it's too long. Very nicely done from Gamer Legion. The rest of Falcons
do get away though. Another 90 seconds delay, I mean of course he has Bibeck but there's
no reason to use it. That's all you can ask for Gamer Legion is getting these pick offs
delay as much as you can. Took Bibeck timelapse to establish dominance. So let's go straight
Back into Beast's mess there.
That would have been a very bad decision, but of course we commend those.
They're fun to watch.
Indeed.
Alright, game religion hold on.
What's Gabe been giving them? 2% now.
More than one.
Keep it up, guys. 3% is just around the corner.
Delectable.
Yep.
It would be funny if you manifested a Mega Creep comeback somehow.
There it is.
3%.
I would love to see it.
The thing is, if these percentages were actually accurate, if these percentages were accurate,
surely Mega Crit comebacks would be happening more often than we see them right.
Yeah, it's like percent, yeah.
That's one in 30 games in this game state.
There's plenty of these, and I feel like the Mega Crit team just always wins regardless
of the...
Correct.
Maybe...
Maybe this is the one out of 30.
It's taking pubs into account, surely.
Yeah.
I mean worth thinking about here too big num is close to 18
Higher-level techies mines when you're down and megaed is a very useful tool
Yeah, and he's getting close to tier five. Oh wait, what did he take for he didn't get the bobble?
Oh, he did get the bobble since
All right, he watched Harold reviews with Jenkins. He knows where it's
That's
Out has enough gold for an axe for techies. I
Mean, that's it to check that one is a bit
Techies yeah fade misses a bit
The abyssal used by the alchemist. He's left all alone by his team ghost. It's just dead
It's just dead, huh? And now fade burrowing away actually does clip a marg light near holds him in place
And that is the death of the same king. They have buybacks on both, but ghost does not have chemical rage
They're gonna find a techies on the outskirts as well not that many minds to contest with either
And there's buyback number one and two the techies joins the party again
They have stanking and that's triple buyback
With that Falcons will reset
Rosh in 12 seconds. They just need to check. And Skidder, well, he's actually checking
it too early here. That's very unfortunate. He's spawning right behind him now. Just
form through it. Maybe he goes and checks for another time for good luck. No. It's
It's kind of moved though.
Yeah, he'll spot it on the way up, maybe not.
No, he won't spot it on the way either.
Oh, man.
Game or Legion.
Yeah, that was a really, really costly sequence.
Having to use three bybacks there.
Alex's axe is now far away,
instead of having it completed.
And a Dagon being purchased by Malorain,
running out of stuff to buy, I guess.
Need more burst?
Yep.
Burrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
And Roche.
Will go down again.
Yep.
There he goes.
What should I take ya? Tea?
Second refresher, if they still have the first one.
Yeah, because thinking keeps dying.
Yep.
He needs an andisk for when he's in the egg.
How broken that would be.
Yeah.
Alright, smoke up. This is it, Shannon. Killing blow.
Not that many techies, mind.
Over, under one minute.
I mean, it's gonna be under.
Under one minute. Alright, Shannon is a believer. This is the end.
Falcon.
Cover of smoke again.
Gamer Legion's so deep in their fountain already.
Aether Remnant onto the Beast Massive. The right click's from Skeeter doing so much of the Ancient.
Back to half HP. They have several catapults with the help of the Roche banner as well.
trying to take these out they do finally look at the damage done the ancient
house with very little resources needed Falcons are hesitating Shen you're
running out of time it is Falcons 30 seconds left for the minutes they're
always scared what is this every phobia ever oh it is techies eggs alright let's
see that mine feel the marge is gonna beat down the ancient now can they even
kill him in time even in a five versus one it's gonna be tough there's a
nullifier fly to him. He's just gonna continue to send that DKB, fortification, yeah the
X-Ten are completely whips, fortification delays is just a little bit longer. They do
get the stun onto Malrin, get the simulant off with the right clicks, eventually are
enough for the side of Falk as they bring this game to an end and a very entertaining
1-0 start to the series. We might need a finish line camera for that one, I think that might
been 62 seconds actually after I said it but close guess either way Falcons do
get there in the end knowing Falcons I think they're not gonna be happy with
this win though I think that that was a game they would have liked to win 10 or
15 minutes ago they don't look happy either it's like yeah we got it guys but
they want to close this out with more confidence for gamer legion the alchemist
idea didn't quite work but maybe they'll run it back and execute it better in the
next game we'll see. Yeah entertaining game right track. Yeah it was to begin with I mean
listen I'm with Cinder and I understand my thoughts might not be happy but then again
try not being cowards finish the game. They never do it's always got to be it's like we're
sitting here we're laughing we're joking we're like it's not the optimal plan to reforce
one mind back like it's just how they play it's how they want to yeah. If something
is like slightly suboptimal, they won't do it. I mean this one's Dota, this is why they can pick the heroes they pick.
This is why they do pick the heroes that they pick.
That's why you never outscaled them. No matter what happens, if they have Chen on the team, their Chen will have Aghanim's
Refresher, BKB, all this nonsense. It's just how they play late game better. They know how to choke you out ever since Thunder days and
it is showing. This is something that they've mastered.
It might not be the most entertaining to watch from time to time, but it is efficient and also Cinder and pointed it out there
We we saw the limitations of alchemist in the draft and
You know whether or not they will run it back in the next game remains to be seen
But certainly a hero that on day one was deemed to be so unbelievably strong. It was unthinkable
You would let it through
Now maybe people are gonna start letting it you can kind of see why they let it through this is why
Ghost as a player is so interesting and in some games
He looks sauce-less and in other games. He looks like sauceful, you know where legit the guys like could
potentially be top three carries in the world if you see him on loanjured you see him on
alchemist and
It at best it looked fine at worst. He was getting caught out constantly by
Reminders well, they could have had the one either team could have at the laundry with it just went through the drive
There's something going on with the laundry
Yes, they don't want to pick it means that they have the information that the other team could definitely counter it
But to go back to Alchemist
He was the one who kind of got three and tried a game to top lane immediately
Failed to do so he died every single time you die on a hero like this
You are gonna be losing quite a lot more because this type of a lineup they wanted to have the tempo
They wanted to have these agonim scepters that maybe they refund the gold on Beastmaster
Who was going for the agonim scepter you pick up the blink dagger BKB on your mid blader and on your off lane
And then you're gonna be ready to take the fight bringing all these auras from Chen where you're still gonna be dealing the damage
We're still you're gonna be soaking up the damage, but
Skeeter he had a great game like this is something that
that Janken saw coming, and it was for a good reason, because he only died three times.
Yeah, we were at times with Aegis, they've been controlling the Aegis for pretty much
the majority of the game.
Weaver's a very difficult hero to play in this meta, because it feels like there's
a lot of heavy burst damage and, you know, good disable, and a lot of the time, like
Weaver relies on his ulti, and pressing his spells to be unkillable.
And if you're simply stunned before you can do that, which we saw a couple of times many times
Yeah, you're done like the stats are not there. There's no like passive that's making you tanky
It's not like alchemists where you have the ultimate built in or some ability to press your item
So you have to be really good at the hero and playing on like the fringes where
You know that your team is there to save you and you're close or you're going on a hero
That's far away from the stunner or something like that something that I mentioned the after seeing that we were pick is like
This year is gonna get bursted and it did so many times even though he had the ages because there's no sales
So sinking he goes in
With the epicenter they kill him from hundred to zero problem is he doesn't have that second round of spells to do it again
I think that was one of the issues them controlling pretty much every single ages
And he felt comfortable going in knowing for the second time he can either a beaky be or he can time lapse
Speaking of the ages 18 minutes. We got a clip. We had to clip it
you know, like this is the fun thing about game religion and this tournament and you know previous is like they've just been
In flow state. They've been doing really cool high skill stuff. We can see here speed walks his little golem in and steals the
Roshan lasted so giving his team that gold bounty and taking it away
And that's why I'm gonna be totally honestly
I'm a little disappointed watching this game because I I feel like game religion was scared
They were afraid of Falcons there were some situations where the game was very even it was very competitive like oh hell
Yeah, we got like two top-class teams going at it, but they just weren't going in when they had their timings
I feel something that you said earlier today about
Heroic when they were playing against liquid that they were giving them too much respect
I kind of felt it the same way in this game where this team with the draft that they had they cooked a very good draft
They did in the game. It was there
It was just that they weren't really giving 100% for whatever reason like even just too much respect thinking. Oh Falcons
They're gonna outfarm us. Yeah
There was one moment where
Ghost was completely isolated in the enemy triangle. Everybody else was on a different side. Yeah over chasing
Yeah, maybe just a little bit nervous shot calling as well
But overall pretty satisfied with how they managed to square up against Falcons here
We can take a look at the hoodwink as well, but big game
Hoodwink on the rise. Yeah Hoodwink big stonks that's for sure. This is a bit of a
newer trend which does allow Hoodwink this is like 21 minutes into the game
this distiller allows him to get the vision that he needs in the fights as
well and also allows him to deal the damage and before it was always like
pick up shard straight away which he's gonna have in this one at 20 minutes
plus you also have cast him stone which is an item that gives you so good on a
AOE and it's probably the best hero to utilize this.
I don't like, we saw it on Primal Beast,
like casually on some supports as well.
But I think for Hoodlink,
it feels probably the best at the time.
Because it's a flat amount of addition to your AOE.
So for these like smaller AOE heroes,
it is a big deal relative to the,
relative to like the bigger AOE heroes.
Yeah.
And at this time Falcons,
they're ready to take fight
two like different parts of the map. This is pretty much a two-way one and on the other side you're going to have three versus the rest.
It's a mess!
It's just so good and he also has extra bit of a damage coming up from the neutral item setting things up, removing speed immediately.
So those auras are not going to be as effective and something that Void Spirits from the mid lane have been doing for a while is getting Spirit Vessel.
But then they completely stopped. They went for different items.
I'm Yasha Kaya really glad that he picked it up the best one knowing that all of these beefy boys
They need to be brought down much easier and it's also very effective against chance heel and after that the rest of the
team they're gonna be joining and
Looked like a smooth sailing it looked like they could potentially end the game in 30 35 minutes
But the good base defense even for like against mega's they held it for a really long time
Yeah, that's when gamer Legion had the like cuz they had to right like they had to take the fight at that point
And they executed very well.
And in my eyes, I'm just, I'm just like, just do that earlier when the game is not so bad.
You know, it's like, that's when they realized like, oh, shit, we could have fought them earlier.
Because if this fight obviously sucks for us, but we're still winning it.
Oh, we're strong. All right. Yeah, you were.
Well, they can definitely take some lessons away from that first game.
We're going to go to a break and see if game
alleging can apply them in game two.
Everybody, we are testing the knowledge of our pro players about the last patch.
and I brought to you the biggest brain man I could find.
There wasn't a lot to choose from.
ATF, thank you so much for joining us.
Yes.
Yes, great.
We're gonna have a challenge for you today.
Three minutes to answer as many questions about the patch as possible.
You gotta try to get as many as you can.
Right.
When it comes to patches,
is that something that you let the nerd like how we do for you
and then he just tells you, or do you buckle down and read that shit?
Uh, it used to be like I used to like,
I just like bring some chips and then I prepare myself like food as if I'm entering cinema.
I start reading the page like, no, no.
Now that I just come, I'm like, I'll read, I'm like, oh, too boring.
Damn!
Well, that is not good for this challenge.
Let's see how well you do.
Ladies and gentlemen, let's start things off.
Get the popcorn ready, the snacks ready.
Which of the following neutral item enchantments are still in the game?
Is it boundless, vast, wise, or audacious?
Boundless.
Downless. That was very confident for an incorrect answer, but we'll take it with Asius.
I know, I thought that, it's very sad, you and I are big, someone should purchase Y-Spammer, you can't do that anymore.
What are the following heroes to not have a game breaking bug?
Nipo, Warlock, Chen or Rubik. Only one.
A lot of them.
Warlock did have a game breaking bug.
What, it's Rubik then?
Yes, but you've already answered Warlock. Okay, my producer is just going to give you Rubik, he's an ATF stand.
Which of the following heroes did not have their base armor increased by one terribly anti-mage legion or death profit?
Literally taking no damage
Nothing creased by one. I think it has to be Legion. That's right. The only person to get that one, right?
Well done. How'd you know? Because it's on the first set. He lost the armor and he got like that
I received one change through all of it was a projectile projectile projectile. Projectile buff you're correct
I didn't even get to read this one well done, and it's just the project. Well, but which of the balling spells does not have 10 bullet points of change information
Is it elder dragon for and finger of death tinker's deploy turns or divided?
We stand aka what had the shortest description of those four
Ten bullets point of change it has to be finger of death. You're right. Holy shit
I know what's that one either techies is now able to plant bombs mid-flight true or false true true
True, thanks.
Thank you very much.
Darkseer's vacuum was not modified this patch.
True or false?
Uh, yes, true.
True.
No, once again modified.
What?
That's not wrong.
That's on me.
Sorry about that.
Which of the following heroes did not
receive a change in every single one of the patches?
Doom, Tiny, Tinker, or Batrider?
Only one of these was not featured.
Tiny, Tiny.
That is incorrect.
I did like the confidence area.
It was Batrider.
But, why did the receiver change?
But, in all three.
Oh, fuck.
Going too quick.
Which of the following was not
a concentrated RAPS nerf cost?
Cost, cost.
Okay, got it.
Next.
Quick, quick, quick.
Fludge, pudge, what's he, was nerfed?
No, it was buffed.
It was buffed!
That is correct.
Well done.
30 more seconds.
What is the active spell of metaphoric mandible called?
Bug out.
No, it's not bug out.
It's metamorphosis, metamorphosis, metamorphosis.
No, it's not that either.
You can keep getting excited.
It's pupate.
It doesn't matter how excited you get.
It's pupate.
I actually thought it was metamorphosis.
Pupate.
It's sort of like 401B, the only thing lost.
Only one thing lost to the site.
What was it?
A neutral, a spell, a shop, or anything?
An extra book, an extra book.
That's correct.
What was it?
Book of the Dead.
Book of the Dead.
We got to talk a little more.
Come on.
Boys, we're safe.
There's lemon.
No, it's fine.
Remove it.
Remove it.
Fuck.
Is it false?
It's right!
Woo!
That was probably the most questions we got through.
Not the highest correct one.
I think I did set you up one,
so I'll give you a 10 correct and a wrong three
because I did read a question incorrectly.
It's top echelon.
The things I take the...
This...
Pupil.
Yes, I take this item a lot.
I never read, I remember it was fucking with the morphos.
Yeah, yeah, no.
The bug out was a different spell.
I think it was someone's talent or something.
I think it was like a weaver thing.
Something was bugger.
It was tricky.
Something was bug out with an exclamation point.
But no, it is pupate.
So now you get to learn something new.
And you're one of our top scorers.
Best of the best.
Nice.
Cool.
Thank you so much.
We'll see you guys more at FBGO Blockhead Season 8.
That's how competitive a mart is. He just wants to win everything even a little quiz
like that.
Pretty much has the highest score in this quiz, has the highest damage in the game as
well as Bristol back highest damage tanked as well. Like you could see like something
that we talked about is the way he turns in the fights.
And then was pointing it out during the cast where he's playing like a mini game, turning
back on every single mind. You're just really enjoying himself playing some of these heroes
and you can definitely tell, but we'll have to see how they're going to be approaching
this next draft. As I said, drafts are totally fine from side of Gamer Legion. I want to
see what's going on with Lone Druid. Yeah, what's with that? Why are we ignoring them?
Ignoring them. Ignoring them.
It's a very good question. I think
Both of these teams
Think they know something now whether they do know something or not
We don't know but I'll get Andrew out there. I'm drew can ask the players
Did I get shadow nerfed or something that was bugged because there was one time?
You would pick one of the long dirt facets there were three and you would get all three facets for picking that
I think I was at a TI actually. Yeah, this was one. Who was it like pure was the one
Abusing yeah, and then people realize he played a couple of games. We never saw it again. Mm-hmm
good old pure
The most I wrote today
So it is
There it's there they're gonna have to take
The question is, like, their game religion is dangling the bristle.
They're saying, hey, it worked out for you.
Last game.
I'm the phoenix.
You can take the bristle or the phoenix.
And then maybe the trade there is the lone druid
when they have some vans to protect it.
I mean, I would really like to see that,
because they have this 12-ban and the 13-pick out of phase, too.
So lots of space to protect and enable lone druid.
I think the reason why Monkey is, again, popular, Ursa doesn't feel as good in this patch, Monkey King is always banned in the first phase.
Right, let's get Venom in for speed.
He needs the Venom.
That's not a bad idea. Yeah, I like the Venom.
I just don't think they play the same tempo with the champ.
with the chair but do you think to me ghost is like amazing carry God's here
tier one carry player on three heroes like three or four here but the last
last game they ignored it too okay not this time it's gonna be way more
competitive yeah so I just want to see lucky what Falcons are gonna do because
in the game number one it was completely ignored both of them had a chance to pick
it skater suddenly starts to play laundry. Yeah, this is gonna answer the question. Yeah, so I want to see what
what the approach from Falcons is gonna be to try to counter this laundry because if you have a carry who's suddenly
starting to play this meta hero that everybody else is playing you also need to start thinking not just how to get him
but also how to counter him.
Yeah, what's the what's the lane is it?
They run pango and they're like wavecrud or pick a strong support like maybe a hoodwink to
Make it so the pango doesn't get like dumpstered by LD and lane
I mean at least the Venos out LD
Plus Venos was insane two heroes that are still available that did beat laundry it and Venos in the lane
And that was underlord plus hoodwink. Yeah
This is these are the heroes that Falcons really enjoy playing for now
Maybe they want to keep the flex of this pango open, but this is a good band this grim stroke
We are seeing it a lot more with different combos
It is something that pango really dislikes to play into it's pretty much like a bloodseeker
Where you need to stand still and this is something that you don't want to do every single spell of yours has some way to move around
So getting leashed getting silenced again just doesn't feel good for pango
so the question is
if Falcons is angling towards like a
A underlord which has a very high win rate against loanjured by the way plus the hoodwink
The hoodwink makes sense for crit right either way like you can run hoodwink plus
Pango if they don't pick the end. Okay. Hey, that's all right. That's what they're gonna do. Okay. Very cool
So they're they're anticipating the same thing that we are they pick rubik to
Make it so that picking underlord feels like shit. You just in my opinion you like straight up can't pick underlord into rubik
it feels that bad. It's like the number one hero in the game against Underlord.
You just get a better version of the Underlord spells when you're Rubik.
Way better.
I still, I still like Hedwing though, like the Bushwack to distance whoever your
offlaner is from the bear and have a little bit of kill threat is quite good.
The question is like, what's the other hero? Is it just the throw the pango in the
offline call it a day you know mark and play it just fine so far they haven't
managed to get the hands of pango not a single time so it's gonna be I like it
the same support duo coming out which they'd completely fine yeah it makes
sense also to pick snazier here as well because then on this 18th pick they
have you know they see four out of five of the gamer legion draft so then they
That's when they can choose like is it a good matchup for pango to go mid
And then we get pick a better off laner that's good against long druid. I
Also think that mid players should start playing long druid
So you have like a flex as well. Yeah against a lot of these melee heroes these bangos like ember
It's only been very devastating mid this tournament and it lost but yeah, I agree with you point
So to have that flex available so you're kind of you're not winning the lane against laundry in the mid lane
No, and having another like super scaling core gives you extra levels gives you quite a lot more momentum than from the safe lane
Even though we saw like some insane timings and those played laundry the
But he got like nine minutes pretty much
The future blade that plus orb of corrosion started to roam around
Back at it with the sand king, huh?
It is like I have a good five. I think silencer could be potentially really good
We saw that would be good a lot against Phoenix. It's also very good against pango pango
Usually doesn't build into any ways of this spell. I don't think he's he's getting like you're not building Manta
You're not building a bkb. So it feels really nice. Oh
Dummy try hard. Does it again? North Trump silencer. That's his daughter one name correct big brain
pointy helmet
Sonser has some of the ugliest looking sense in Dota period. I
Yeah, you're right. But the one where he's all super pointy or the one with the axe. Yeah
Over his mouth is sick love that one
So now I think
You probably put the spango to the offline and say you have fun
I'm like me well that that's the thing because they are prioritizing the Mar as well
And maybe they can find the hero that is I mean I so I was thinking he's like Lotus or buyer or or or or tight hunter
Tied hunter as well. It's it's also it's pretty good against a bear right you can
Anchor smash as you know dealing much less damage to you
They go for the carry pick now, which means okay, they think that
There are three plus options left for Omar as you mentioned. There's still bristle looks fine
They're still tight hunter looks fine. So there's a plus one that they think is also good
And we've been talking about it paired with the Phoenix and how it hasn't necessarily had the best stats
But we feel that could hypothetically be good. Yeah, exactly. I mean it makes sense
Conceptually they compliment each other really well
And you know, I really do like tiny against these squishy supports like tiny carry
You can pretty easily kill like rubik plus answer
the one downside is if Rubik steals Avalanche, he's a very, very happy boy for that. You're getting
this increased AoE Avalanche. Now it's, you know, BKB piercing if you get it off on the person before
the BKB. Next talk or something that you talked about, Richard, could be really good here as well.
Gamer Legion, they love to run this hero, other than using Super Noah because it turns it into daytime
and you're kinda like, eh, but if you get the silence off on these supports, like having another
It's a better layer of silence just feels really nice and the catch is very limited.
It is Bushwack, which you have insane amount of movespeed as a Night Stalker.
Same goes for Tiny.
You can dodge most of these stuff, but for now, it seems like they are removing the mage
layer buyers from the mid lane.
Back to you, Jenkins.
I personally think if they Night Stalker, I would instantly say Falcons wins the game.
I hate playing Night Stalker into Phoenix.
It's bad.
It's still frustrating.
It can be very difficult, but I also think with the heroes that they have, like you
have Sanking, you have Silencer, so you have like extra bit of, first of all you have Initiator
and you have something to silence these supports so he can't even use it.
As long as you're the one providing vision for the team to get the good jump, I'm still
okay with them picking up these like offlaners if they want to go potentially
with with the tight hunter that we talked about maybe bristleback tight hunters
totally fine against laundry up until a point where you but you just die once he
gets the silver edge but there was also a game where they actually played it was
against team spirit yeah it was Venno and laundry that ruined rubik plus
It was also a really bad start, the way they made some mistakes which did snowball a lot of control.
Well, Underlord would have been pretty good too, actually. I mean, reducing Tiny's damage seems quite effective,
and then you're blocking the Underlord pick from Falcons by having Rubik, so Rubik Underlord is super strong.
Let's see. Just thinking, like, is there any desire to counterpick Tiny here if you're
Gamer Legion? Does that need to be answered? The more I see Tiny, the more I think it does.
But of course, Gamer Legion gets to see the entire draft from Falcon, so probably it will
be Bristle. I don't see why they would not go for that here. Perhaps they would be concerned
about it. Necrophos coming out if they did do that.
Then again, Ghost is playing.
Necrophos.
Ghost is playing longer.
It's desk.
I mean, Necro would be banging against Tiny.
I don't know. The last time I've seen Fade play it.
They don't have much time on Falcon, so they need to figure out what is the better options.
We haven't seen them flexing shocking anything with the loan druid yet
But yeah, these are the options that we wanted to see it's very good
Very, thank you hero against loan druid builds into lotus orb
So you have you can use it on yourself to remove the global silence or king curse
It's very annoying or you can use it on one of your teammates
I really think it's a question of like this does fade want to play Necro on us. It's so good
against tiny bristle. Even pango it's fine because you go shroud and you take
zero damage right? Not so good against the supports, lots of magic damage. I mean
if more fade option is like undying. That's also fine. I'm fine with Necro.
I'm still okay potentially with the Nightstalker but you know we've been
blessed earlier today. We saw Alchemist on our stream, something that we haven't
seen yet it didn't look that great but maybe now it's the time we had like we
talked about necro for good like 10 15 minutes throughout the last three days
maybe even more
god you're dangling tiny bristle pango bro it's the one all physical they're all
physical damage heroes who are gigatanky
it makes the draft weird though because it's tanking is your like only it's not
It's justank, but let's see R.C.Y.
Okay.
It's percentage damage.
It's a similar idea, but more of an offlaner, more of a hero that can, you know, run in, be tanky, build BKB.
It's more of a fade hero too than the Necrophos is.
Like, I don't even know fade plays Necrow.
plays Necro. He's a very standard offlane hero pool. Doesn't really play the ranged
guys too much other than Enigma. It's not saucy enough for me. It's a bit dry. This
is like overcooked steak with no sauce on top of that.
I do like the Doom, Silence, or Combo the way I always think that's so annoying, right?
Yeah, that's true. That is pretty...
You know what I mean? You just don't get... Like one person just doesn't play on a fight.
Sinking silencer, this is the old-school combo from like Dota 1 days, like you go in with the empty and then you pop the global on top of that so they can't really do much, there's nothing that can actually stop it.
So we'll see what the execution is going to be. Ghost on his Siggy, playing the lone druid as well, but also there's a lot of synergy between the physical damage on Falcons.
Falcons you have Pangalore extra bit of minus armor like minus 11 armor then you have tiny who one shots people even without it
And you also have goo coming out from Bristol back. Mm-hmm. I
Still feel gamer legions lineup is very good same it goes in the game number one
It's just gonna be it's gonna come down to how they're gonna execute
Yeah
And I want to see speed have a much more up tempo in this time around obviously on Chen last time
But you know, I want to see him get involved gets him early kills gets an early intelligence train
You know, I worry of cool stuff
I actually worry about the greed a little bit for gamer legion like San King kind of wants to farm blink
Lone Druid if it wasn't ghost
I would be more worried because we have seen ghosts like really up the temple and laundry because he's just that good at it
But also doom kind of wants to chill and farm
Skeeter can go through the portal on tiny like full like ape mode
He can just go ham. There are long cooldowns on gamer legion and there are no cooldowns other than like rolling thunder
on the other side. So they might try to abuse this. Yeah, I completely agree. And that's what I'm
worried about. Because I feel like Falcons is very comfortable when they can control the tempo of the
game. They definitely understand when they need to up the tempo against something like this. Like
it's really obvious that if they do go late game, if they do let gamer Legion get off to a good start,
that it's going to be very difficult for them. And I don't think they're going to let that happen.
All right. I'll throw it over to Sons Fan and Cinderan. Who's taking this one? That is it?
agreed legion or full cowards?
That's a good question!
The full cowards did win TI, being cowards of course.
Very good at cowardly behavior, as some would say.
It's now Rean going to take some early damage,
but he will not turn into anything because he's a coward, as Richard says.
I mean, ironically in the last game, the reason it went a bit longer was that Falcons were trying not to be cowards
the game maybe without exactly what they needed and that dragged it out by another 10 minutes so
they were trying to finish. Let's be fair, let's be fair to the guys. They of course they are one
of the very methodical teams when they're ahead and sometimes will lead to slower victories but in
that particularly in the previous game I actually don't think they were slow playing it all that
much but new game, new heroes, there's a lot of changes here. What remains the same for Falcons
is the majority of their picks. They're running three at the same five.
Gamer Legion have swapped out everything except sanking, so
there's going to be a totally different story than what we just saw.
I share the sentiment of the panel. I
actually don't think Doom was the right pick for this game, but we'll see if he
can
make a fool out of me for saying that immediately. I get where they're coming
from
with the Infernal Blade against Tiny and Bristle. It's a lot of damage and of
course, Doom is nice.
But I share the concern of the panel with pacing. I think that's the biggest
issue here
is, if the lanes don't go well, I think, uh, Lone Druid's lane should go well at the very least.
But, um...
We haven't seen Ghost Luzon Lone Druid yet.
Fair.
That's the biggest upside of the draft is that they got this.
I personally think in Game No. 1 they should have picked it over Alk.
I think it's a mistake for this team not to run this hero, uh, until they lose with it.
I just think...
Wasn't Ban Game 1?
No.
They just picked Alk over it.
At least I think so.
Maybe it was a misclick.
A classic, if he didn't pick Gyro.
Gyro support? I think the funny thing is, Gyro can be played more as a support now than in fact then.
Mal-Rain will be playing a Pangolier this time around in the mid lane versus RC-wise, saying,
hey man, the panel, I'm really disappointed in them, Cinderan, they keep teasing Necro and I don't see it.
I want to see Necro.
I do too.
Very cool hero.
I think if Ghost wasn't playing Lone Druid, they would have picked it, maybe. That's their last pick.
Because I think for Gamer Legion, they would probably only play it if it's a Ghost hero.
I would think with how they have been structuring their lineups so far in the tournament.
He has played it, right? I think we saw one game of Ghost Lone, or excuse me, Necro at least, in, I believe it was day one.
But we haven't seen it.
We haven't got to cast it. That's true.
We have not cast Necro in years. Literally.
There's no way that's true. It's definitely true. I think I'd remember such a monumentus occasion
Monumentus is that a word? It's momentous
Monumental and month. I just pulled the slacks. Wow. Sorry about that everybody
Everyone's IQ lowered just a little bit there pulling a slack sounds like the ultimate sports injury like way worse
That's like a kill these level
That's that's rough. I'm sorry. Sorry. You have to go. What do you think is the how do you train yourself back up after pulling a slacks?
Cocaine oh, okay, that's
Not the answer I was expecting
Also, I wonder how that reflects on slacks either that I'm
Either that or a peanut butter jelly sandwich, whichever you prefer I think that one is more likely to actually help yes
This is not Counter Shrike after all. It's just peanut butter jelly and Dota for good boys and girls.
Oh god, this is great.
Good start to this game too. Remember if, oh, I have to hold that thoughts.
Speed not a good start to game too.
No, he's taking some damage, gonna try to deny himself to the creeps, pops the fairy fire,
but Crit gets the first blood on the hoodwink, so second game in a row for him, and Falcons win this game,
They will go to the playoffs that is correct gamer Legion will be two and two with another chance to get to the playoffs
Which I believe it would be the same situation. They were in the last block. Yeah, if my memory serves me right
They were also two and two there and then unfortunately just barely didn't make it
Maybe I'm mixing it up with another tournament, but that's kind of been this
They've always been so close yet so far they are it feels like they're getting better every tournament as just a matter of time
But yeah, it's just they're missing that little they're missing the last 10% to start breaking into that top top 8 top 6
Yeah, the doom will be interesting though
I mean do you like this hero? I know you didn't like it in the game specifically
But in this patch do you think it's still fine as well Mars actually gonna tick out here
So speed gets some brain drain you got loaned
Sorry
Sorry, what do you say do I like what doom in the patch not the game but Pat um?
Oh
Reen okay, that is a gigantic kill hang on. Oh me. How did he just get sold by pango?
That is unusual to say the least wow
How do I like to him I mean I think he's
Pretty stable. I think his win rate in the tournament was 50-50 with eight picks
Obviously very early on in 741 he was totally busted
But then they nerf the talent order the 6 to 6 damage went from 15 to 20 which was a big nerf then they nerf the damage of other things and
It's probably in a pretty good place now
See why back on low HP again
And has that bottle so we'll be okay for now space gonna apply some pressure with the scorcher top is a mark kills off speed in the
Bot lane. Oh, they're actually gonna be able to kill this bear. I don't have an action
and the fear should keep him safe.
Bignum will arrive.
A bit of a wasted rotation unfortunately here because I think Ghost was already out and
safe and this should mean that Bignum will just go back through the gate a bit of a waste
of time there.
He needs to reconnect with his doom and of course with silencer showing up up top.
Snaking.
Snakes dead.
Absolutely.
Cannot get out this time.
Mine is one.
And those Braindrains are starting to stack up, okay?
I'm in the tier one tower gets an infernal blade won't go any further. I
Do like seeing silencer back into the meta as long as it's not every single game
There is a neutral now that countersims
Tier five. Oh, yeah
They brought it back. Ghosts. This is a big kill. Yeah, they get them Amar man
This lane is just action-packed. They managed to find him next to the trees
This is what you need to avoid as laundry here is if you get combo together with your bear
Which is exactly what happened you got bush like with the bear next to a tree
Cricket so much damage with big never gonna burn down RC Y gets the trade
Great start for Falcons overall though to be sure
Seven right now, I mean the solo kill mid is still the biggest kill of the game
on
Malrin on pango a scary hero player combination when he's feeling himself
picks up the Indiz rune as well, will instantly use it apparently, and he just wants to regenerate
to fight here I think. He wants to keep pushing with the Siege group, wants to wipe out the
wave here, and then the protection of snaking, they could get some serious damage done here,
they don't have offensive glyph though, so meanwhile bot lane, the moment we look away
there's going to be more kills, Amar will take a tumble, but it's going to cost two lives,
both supports on the gamer legion side, and Ghost on a sliver of HP has to be very careful,
careful. So Margeous, no matter how many times he goes down, he's going to keep at it.
He's top net worth with two deaths. He's 3-2-2 in the scoreline right now.
Yep. We need two more kills now immediately for the side.
Oh, the first doom of the game comes up from Fade onto Malorane. He's going to take the
wisdom shrine. Gov's got so much health.
He's going to try to... Oh boy. Well, he was very low, so he probably just got a random
acorn shot at snaking. He's going to take out eventually, and Falcon's applying a lot
of pressure this wisdom try his sketer he's gonna get right clicked eventually
by ski no he actually does walk away just in time now rain she'll crash he's
outnumbered though so it's gonna cost Falcons quite a bit and the shrine
still goes the way of gamer legion nice score though that's good wow I okay
you've given away this ghost laundry you feel like you have the solutions for it
the other teams didn't but these two early kills will definitely help a big
deal. We remember what happened to Nightfall the other day. I mean, he did have to walk back from
fountain. The solo kill from Crit puts him at level six. He's higher XP than the Brissett.
My goodness. All right, well, each carry just sticking around with a little not much HP and they
get punished. The biggest challenge here is Ghost died after resummoning. So he's kind of just
just waddling around here, extremely frail old man under the cover of the trees, little
hermit out here.
Getting ready to do that.
Old man hermit, huh?
Yeah, that's right.
Probably the most hermit-like hero in the game, no?
I guess so.
Think if he shows here, he... oh, they saw him.
He does.
He has his ult, he will pop it.
Oh, this is bad.
But he's already...
It's real bad.
...too much damage, third death for Ghost.
He has a summon in the spawn.
As top lane, can they get the trade again?
Carry for carry.
Avalanche comes out.
Mal'Reen with a swashbuckle and a shield crash.
They do take Skeeter and some int for the road.
And Fade gets out of dodge just fine.
So they are continuing to get this trade.
Yeah, Mal'Reen opting not to skill ult yet.
Not many players do this.
Wow, that is...
He's level 8 coming up.
I'm curious if that's going to be the rolling thunder.
Is it normal to get shield crash max these days?
I feel like he would usually want a max swashbuckle, especially when you're not going old, isn't
it better to have a force ring?
On epicenter, oh gosh, oh gosh, Amar is going to get tickled a bit, ghost, enough damage,
Snakey is going to go in with a dive and yeah, Amar rather will get away.
It'll be the trade for the Phoenix though.
It's a global silence used to kill off Mal'Reem.
I think it actually doubled as protection for ghosts as well.
thing if he had another fire spirit on Phoenix that would have maybe been a
laundry killer at least very very close 20 kills in 10 minutes this is crazy
they're all over the place and yeah as much as we're painting this picture of
laundry is in trouble with these deaths as you mentioned tiny not doing much
better for himself they're kind of both carries were at the bottom of the
net worth chart a moment ago and in spite of the first blood killer or
excuse me the first solo kill made for pango he is now 600 behind Sand King
After winning his lane, Mal'Rean 4-4-0.
I thought that ult is pretty good.
Yeah, I don't know. I mean...
He's obviously a specialist of this hero, and I understand why you want to do this build.
I...
I feel like in this game he might just be regretting it because of the situations he got himself into.
It's like an investment thing, right?
If you max these spells first, you farm faster, you have better skirmishing, like, super constant skirmishing power.
Oh, ghost.
Oh, ghost.
Oh, the sharpshooter.
Oh, the death.
number four all right well this we have not seen him struggle this much to start
a Falcons his game plan with giving this loan to it away we're gonna give it
away and we're gonna run it away where's tiny usually he dies about now
okay not doing the tomato here up to the other side of the map probably a
wise choice man that was that was something else I love my guy tomato but
That game was just hard to watch.
It didn't seem like it was up to him, Sanger.
I don't know.
I think it's a...
One time he was walking bottom, and then it's like he remembers them.
Well, he's back top, Sanger, and Fade was thinking about it immediately.
Not going to commit, though.
And the Siege is really helping their cause here.
This should be a tier one now.
Yeah, Doom is still down, so that's why.
skater will get the deny
this this level one grow tiny just looks so silly with the crossbow on his back
uh...
this is like the worst time to show it there you go
all the crossbow this looks
looks a little weird
it's a great set
very menacing when you're close
Pethus completed on speed, so he's going to immediately get the hell out of there.
He's got some good information and classic Falcons fashion, the farming will commence.
That's a good rune.
Oh, RCY, he snags it.
Sharp shooter does find its mark.
No kill to speak of, 2K lead for Falcons and good news, Rolling Thunder has been leveled
up. Yeah if he's killed Lachisha on level 9 that would have been interesting.
I don't have a whole lot of mana right now but we'll have the diffuser coming out now.
Yeah so we opted for that over mage layer. Interesting choice obviously
considering you're against Sand King mid. Also some decent mitigation against heroes
like Doom, Rubik, but valuing the slow more and the higher pace I guess that Falcons just
want to play here. Yeah, more often for the consecrated wraps on the bristle. Skater, it's
just the cookie cutter build and what does the bear have right now maybe a
maelstrom I assume still a ways away all those deaths really is a big fight here
if they get the opener both teams want this fight
Pango's in the neighborhood this time with rolling thunder yes they have
global
If Skeeter stops for a camp, you know
He's gonna regret it
RCY the damaged rune
You're not able to find
Anybody to take out
Although borosrach misses malrin gets global he's on the low ground now gets swashbuckled by big num telekinesis
Should be the death of the pango
They still reserve their
or preserve rather than do
it's going to cost them both wisdoms unfortunately the timing there for
gamer legion not the best
crit was being cured on the left side of the map so a big xp injection for their
heroes
but it's still a nice pick up like killing pango there's of course
worth more than wisdom shine number two
so you're not unhappy with it
would have probably liked to get both
And the thing about a game state like this is you just got to feel like Falcons are just so comfortable, right?
This is how they like to play.
All three of their cores are going to get tanky, all three of them are getting to farm.
Phoenix is, in my eyes, the perfect hero for snaking, because it farms so fast when nothing is happening and he loves doing that.
We've seen it from him on Entry, we've seen it on Venom, we've seen it on Phoenix.
And in this patch, well, it's so easy for him to just pick this hero because it's super good anyway.
So he will he will happily play this until the time it's over. I think
Why do you click your mouse so much?
What I click my mouse. Yeah, it's ridiculous. You don't need to click that much. I'm scrolling to move the map
It's too much. I'm using the scroll wheel to move it. It's too much
Okay, thank you. Sounds like you're really gonna break that thing. Well, I'm not sure if he has that mouse insured
So careful. Um, all right. Don't keep it in mind. I'll not watch the game
I'll see why it's gone on and he is very low on man and thanks to that diffusel pickup
from Mal-Rain the rolling thunder with the shield crash should be the end of the Scorpion
man but the doom now that's not a great doom if they don't have the follow they might have
the follow-up they get the telekinesis with the squash buckle from big Tommy he's going
to take out of actually fade he's taking the pressure now full sunray from snaking he's
going to burn down to the ground as big them will be next on the list so ends up
being a two for three as snaking just barely dies there to big note what do
you die to from big them you just had to fapal no oh maybe died to essence
the seller for oh oh yeah fire spirit stolen
I
Knew you should click faster to figure that out. Well, I didn't figure it out
Why do you need your scroll wheel I
Move I I drag the map. How do you move to your edge pan? But you're not you're clicking like
Like that. It's not like I just hold it. It's one click hold. So you're just dragging a lot
I drag a little why?
What's wrong with you?
Is this worthy of a conversation?
Is anything worthy of a conversation is the real thing.
A lot of things are more worthy of conversation than this.
OK, let's talk about the game then.
What are you questioning my methods?
Just weird.
Kar is spotted.
Well, he's very tanky.
RCY can't close the gap.
The blink dagger was canceled.
Now he gets it back up with the epicenter.
Double burrow strike as well.
Into the global.
Phoenix is dead.
Attempted TP from Amar.
A little bit ambitious.
OK.
Not gonna happen.
More int for the brain man.
How much does he have now?
15.
Ooh, my goodness.
Very good.
Speed's been racking up that int all tournament long.
So those were some big old commitments,
but well worth it,
especially the bristle kill top net worth of the game.
And when you're playing a lineup with long cooldowns
like this, you really,
you want scenarios like this
where you kill two heroes rather than only a singular,
because let's say you use Doom and Sanking Ulti,
or Sanking Ulti in Global, and you just get one pick,
immediately Falcons are going to take advantage of it
in a big sense on the map, but when you kill two,
you probably buy at least the first like 40 seconds
off the cooldowns by default
since they're outnumbered so hard,
and now that Falcons wanna do something,
you just need to play Keepaway for about half a minute,
and you've got stuff back up,
so Doom is now available again,
unrelated to that fight, of course,
but he has it now, so they could look to fight,
And Ghost was not involved at all.
So he gets to jungle and work towards his Mjolnir
into inevitably becoming one hero instead of two
and fucking off into the jungle for the next 30 minutes.
Lovely and fun.
Tell me how you really feel about LoL.
I think it's great.
Now the fun thing about this is
this has been the axe for a long time, right?
It's not like this is new
that he can separate himself from the bear.
It's just that once you combine enough factors,
this is what always happens in Dota, right?
This is why we love whining about stuff is that
A lot of the things that come out of this one, it's like it's over time, right?
It's like there's no individual aspect most of the time of the game that's like really
ridiculously broken in that sense, but then you layer things and talk to each other something's
get removed, something's get added, and you reach this point of critical mass.
Now I think, I don't know about you, did you, with the Laundry eggs where he separates himself
from the bear, what do you think about it conceptually?
Do you think it's cool fun novel? Yeah, I think it's cool because like
This whole hero is about symbiosis and its upgrade is to stop being together with his bear. It's just like weird
It's cool. Okay. Yeah, it's novel. That's for sure. It's it's something else
Falcons will go for the Roche. I think that's
For design perspective you want to keep the stuff that's unique, right? You can yeah, I understand I understand ages on
on Skeeter. We haven't seen a whole lot of him here. He has Echo Saber Shadowblade.
About to get the Silver, which is nothing really to break here, but just the Move Speed cap is extremely potent against in particular Doom in this game.
That hero heavily reliant on moving around in fights. That's why you buy items like Drum Phase.
you want to leverage the movespeed you get from scorched earth into becoming very quick and well you get hit by a silver edge, you're probably dead, so
it has to be cautious
and in similar fashions game 1, felthins take a sub 20 roche into a tormentor
so they once again get both of the goodies here and I have to say this was a really big part of how gamer legion lost game 1
They have not improved on this aspect between the first and the second game in contending these big objectives.
Now, post both, they're going to smoke.
Yes. They know that Falcons are likely a bit separated.
Amar, he's going to get doomed here in just a moment.
There we go. He is surrounded.
Actually, now they're almost global. Not needed though.
Nobody coming to his aid.
Free pick off for Gamer Legion. Well, not three.
Didn't require several of them along with the Doom. Meanwhile, Skeeter is going to be spotted.
He has to be careful. There is no Doom here, but they do have an epicenter reserved just for Skeeter.
Rolling Thunderla from Mal Ring. He has them locked in a corner here. Beautiful placement.
Still not enough damage and now the Global Silence comes out. So the counter initiation
from Gamer Legion. Avalanche is only going to buy a little bit of time for Skeeter.
Pushwack as well from Crip, a skitter is seen trying to take the bridge.
And they're gonna finally get that Infernal Light into a burrow from RCY. Crip will drop as well.
Three dead in favor of Gamer Legion, nicely done.
That's what you do, Shen. You give them the Aegis, you give them the Tormentor, then they're worse more.
They get complacent, they get confident.
And that's when you strike when they expect it the least.
absolute genius gamer legion
with a big hit
basically equalizing the game now and
most notably from all of this laundry is now halfway through his acts a moment
ago he was just starting on it got a lot of gold out of this
and once ghost gets that axe he will farm a lot faster when he gets silvery
that's when things get really scary it's an insanely good silvery
bristle back
it's very good against tiny
um... it's hard for tiny to fight back against the bear
when it has enough items
uh... until you get a big crit
because you just can't kill it
on your own
and as always it's a very low commitment to send a bear and try to fish for
pressure or fish for even a kill
uh...
so for game religion this is going to look quite good
all this event
speed is dead
yes he is
walks up to try to
get some vision he does
with his hero
taking quite a while to kill him because of that solar
we'll take him down though
how's that bear doing? where's that axe at? thousand away?
thousand to go
the bear can have his freedom
that's what everybody wants to see
do you think they're gonna change that axe?
or do you think they're gonna enough the hero in a different way?
another way I think. Mark, spotted by Ghost. Oh, RCY with a casual burrow to the low ground.
Alright, nobody saw anything. RCY stun them when you can get away. That's right, straight
back to the river. A lot of it's worth, I don't think that stun actually would have
mattered. I don't think they can kill them all regardless in that situation. Not a big
deal. Yeah, what are they going to do? I guess the bear gets silver edged eventually anyway.
Yeah.
Very normal purchase.
You could also buy one on Doom, you could get both.
It's, I don't actually think it's bad here for both of them to buy Silver, just because of the...
It has really high value.
For multiple reasons.
You can't get 25 anymore for the break.
You gotta go AXE.
Yeah.
Yeah, you could also buy AXE.
That's true.
You can just break with that.
Yeah, his 25 talent, though, the scorched earth being permanent is hilarious.
God, it feels so...
Have you tried it?
No.
It feels so good.
Have you seen anyone pick it over the other one in pro?
I haven't.
I don't know if I've even seen a 25 doom yet.
Oh, okay.
And doom applying mute is just crazy strong.
Yeah.
It's very good.
But I think it has its place to take the other one because I think sometimes you're doing target
It actually doesn't bother you that much that they can use items
Okay, okay at the center borough from RCY global silence is gonna come and now
Do they have the damage though Sunray from big them is gonna be canceled thanks to the rolling thunder
They have to do them on to a mar that should be a kill
And Mallory with one last stun for the road fable finishes the job on a mar
Great doing a lot of damage to the rubik life near applied as well
Well, the Rubik Falls 4, Gamer Legion.
That is a pretty good trade for Falcons here.
Is it?
They used all their spells for a one for one.
And I know it's Bristle and he's a farm hero, but now you have a...
You have a window here?
This is the contrast between this move and the other one where they got a two for zero.
This one for one is way, way, way worse, especially because then something like this can...
You know, you can do this now, because you're not worried.
can actually play aggressive on the map in a 4v4 where your most farmed or
second most hard part is dead you're still way stronger than the enemy.
Another one for the road? It's just going to end with a really good trade here.
Doing one for a TP will cancel can't help them. I mean we've talked about it so
many times in the past but it is a downside of having so many long cooldown
ults. Yeah and that's a really big part of why
bristle is such a good pick this game is that if you want to kill him you have
to use the big stuff. You don't have any small poke that gets it done until the
Silver Edge on the bear will be an interesting test for Amar, but I really
like his choice of going Sondj and Yasha this game because I think it's just the
perfect pick, right? You want to have it against the doom, you want to reduce
duration of negative stuff on you, you want to survive the Silver Edge and then
you get to play. So he's gonna go S&Y and then I would imagine maybe even
Lincoln's next, just this absolute monster that has to be addressed and you
You have to use big cooldowns, you know, you already have the Lotus with the Global.
So yeah, I think Blinkins after this would be really, really good.
Blinkins Heart maybe?
Or Blinkins AC?
I think both builds are pretty good.
And it's very clear, like for the majority of Gamer Legion's fights, they are dooming
the Bristle.
So what are they going to do when they can't?
I think?
Oh, okay.
Oh yeah, the Bear is a hero now.
He is dead.
Did he not have dived the whole time?
Maybe he'd already divined Dove?
Diven is definitely not the right one.
Maybe he dove.
Yeah.
Dove?
I think it's just had dove, no?
That sounds terrible.
It's not divined.
I will say that.
Chatchapiti, let's bring it out.
What is the past participle of that?
It's definitely a word.
archaic is a dove anything else than a deodorant brand
oh skitter doomed up and yeah survive i think he's out he is out of there
and that's an epi as well oh so two big olds down out of the three
okay moment of opportunity again for falcons here see what they do with it
All in all though, like the bigger picture of this game is that Falcons is just out farming
Gamer Legion anyway, because it feels like when Gamer Legion want to make a move, they have to bring so many heroes
So in terms of just macro, the resources are step by step looking better and better on the Falcons side
I mean, I will say once they have this Silver Edge in theory, they might not have to use that many things
Yes, that's why it's so important
Not only on to the press, I think it also can put, actually pose a much more threat.
Teryl from RCY, Fade's gonna try to control Crit at the moment.
Swashbuckling coming out from Mal-Rena, Sunray, Snake-Gang.
If you get Silenced, it's a global into what exactly?
Speed is gonna be the one to fall, so they get zero value out of global.
They might have saved their Rubik, but yeah, not great.
I'll still say zero.
Yeah.
Zero anything.
It's an argument to be made that globaling to save room because it's actually not worth it, so...
Kind of with you, in the name of simplification, let's say I did nothing.
I think that's fine. As we pause, take a moment to appreciate a little cup of coffee with Crit here.
Okay, so 6k lead for Falcons, and when did this bear become a real problem?
I mean, Silverich is usually when it starts getting really scary, but once again, I think
they have some okay solutions this time.
So maybe it needs one more item.
It needs Silver and it needs an item that prevents the enemy from counter-playing when
it hits, so it can, for example, threaten to kill Pango or the support, so like either,
I don't know, Orchid, Abyssal, whatever it is.
I don't think the Silverich is enough.
Hoodwink can always separate herself with Glypnir plus bushwhack and of course
Holt if needed. Even when Silver Edge she can get some movement going. Phoenix
has dive. So not the easiest targets this game for Ghost. However, you can go to become the
hunted instead. No. The casual bushwhack and run as Big Num is killed off by
skater. Yep. And it's Roche time. You know what that means. Falcons will get there. I'm
trying to count now how many big objectives they've gotten to row in this series. I guess
this is number nine. I think I got three tormentors in Roche's last game. Interesting. Amar goes
for SNY, so Stats against the Doom. Yep, as expected. And let's see the Q up here if
it is going to be the Lincoln step. Putting the itters on skater, interestingly enough,
I thought this was actually going to go on a mar they like doing that with bristle giving him the second life, but
When I get on the tiny on the prowl by the way RC Y under the cover of a century they see as blink
I think but good angle
They'll get up
He's close to BKB
There's a shadow blade for the bear. Yeah step one
And that's does seem like an issue though where once you get the silver edge
You still need a lot more. The bristles starting to really get omega-tanky here.
Ghost has the perfect neutral item for Xero, by the way.
The Cloak of Flames. Great item for juggling with the Laundryd himself.
Now, Rain.
Find an action onto the Sand King. There's the Global to save him, though.
It's... the roll-up is actually stolen from Bignum, so not the greatest.
Okay.
There's another Tormentor this time for Skit. What is his shard even do anymore? Is it the toss thing?
Oh, yeah
Crash landing basically it's okay. It's a nerfed version. I see
Now I think it's maybe better than crash landing was but that was also fast that you start the game with
It's like it's solid, you know, it just makes your toss better.
You have a bit of a slow on it, you do more damage, and you get more damage on tree throw.
There's the BKB for RCY.
And Skeeter has a Chrysalis, so...
Oh, wait a second, it just gives him...
Hang on, the shard gives him 50 damage in general?
throw bonus damage. That's interesting. I actually didn't realize it was that good.
Then it's a really good shot. Okay, my bad. Have they been buying it? I don't remember.
I'm just, I'm making sure I'm not tripping here and it's not just the damage when you
throw the tree, but it's, well it says tree throw not tree grab, right? So it's when you
toss the tree in the end. Yeah. Okay, and I was like, if it's 50 flat damage on every
attack with the tree that sounds bonkers but it's not it's when you throw it
right yep yeah okay all right then it's not that's all but you can see the
damage the skater is doing classic time versus his brother the castle that's
right castle versus tower who's stronger generally castle because it
consists of towers true actually this set reminds me of a boss from a demon
souls in case anybody's played that. Of course you haven't because it's a good video game.
Just going to ignore what you're saying. They're doing the same thing as last game. They're kind
of just giving up a full set. Trying to get a flank because they recognize once again their lineup
has to get really good teamfight execution. Alright, let's start with the Baron.
Going to fear them. Two minutes on the Aegis to get the avalanche onto the Baron. The Baron gets
tossed into the fray. It gets pushed back to a tree. There's a counter initiation from RCY.
Egg is starting to do quite a bit to crit there's the global silence to follow as Malrin can't do much inside of that
Rolling thunder anymore Skeeter. It's gonna be life number one for him. RCY is burning away
Barrel strikes into the high ground he gets glight neared. Can they finish the job? Amar just right clicks him into death
70 seconds of no Sand King
At the cost of an Aegis essentially. Yeah, no Sand King and only one bear
This is really good news for Falcons and the low heroes can be healed up by a Sunray as well in 10 seconds here
so
Think this will have the egg. Yep
This will be a full set in the top lane. I
Still have doom. He's gonna get avalanche now Amar thinking about going a little bit further
He still has the BKB as well
They can just reset 40 seconds for sanking so Falcons
Gonna back away for the time being I'm actually surprised. They don't go straight into hitting mid with this wave
I don't think they have to go and push out mid
I think the top wave reaching the base would have been enough for Tiny to get more done
here.
Given that global epi on cooldown and you have everything, in terms of resources yourself
your heroes are very healthy except Hedwin, who just stands far away.
But they'll just take the small win.
I say small with one lane.
I think they could have got a bit more, but it's all good.
Gonna scan out Ghost's bear.
It will leave.
I
So how does gamer legion turn this
They close to any big items I mean the bear has I assume silver edges gonna be finished
Okay, so it's 2k after that but a butterfly next
There's the AC that's pretty big
I think the biggest problem here is it's not about items so much as it's about finding the type of
Initiation and the type of fight that you want because you line up is a little bit limited in that regard
The issue here is once again you pop these big coolant you have to get a big win when you use them
And it just hasn't really happened recently. The offense are just kiting them out buying time
So no matter how many items the bear gets, you know, you can match that with Tiny and
with Bristle.
It's not like, oh, Laundry is going to reach six slots, it's over.
The bear is too strong.
They can kill it.
12 slots, though.
Even that.
That'll take some time.
If the game goes long enough, what do you even, what do you fill out with your main hero?
Do you go tanky or do you go more right click?
I think you just build the second hero that hits me.
Oh, Arcsywise on the cliff!
How does that happen? Oh my goodness.
He gets telekinesis away from Big N. Nobody saw that.
Nope.
Epicenter on cooldown.
Nobody at all.
Oh my.
Meanwhile, they catch the bear down bottom.
At the land.
Can he burrow back up there? Is that what happened?
Is this the second bear?
There's so much damage to the bear.
He's got another 30 seconds to the next one, so yeah.
And that's enough time. No epicenter, no bear.
They can definitely get some work done here in the mid lane, especially with Rosh's banner.
Mars front-lining, he's got the BKB now, so if he gets doomed, he can just pop that and run away.
It's going to be between that and Lincoln's like we talked about, but off-dip for this one.
And yeah, epicenter on cooldown. If you even have the damage to fight, you're going to get killed.
Oh boy, they're going to have to use global to try to save Faye here. Oh, he does have a BKB still.
Well, standing his ground in the midst of all of this is Malarang trying to create some space on the backline.
Everybody's up now for Gamer Legion, but again, no epi.
And the bear is back up.
It's a Silver Edge proc, but just gonna brush it off his Amar, and this is a second lane of Barracks for Falcons.
I think very similar to that Game 1.
They're gonna stick around.
Rosh could be up in the next 30 seconds.
They will stick to that 17K lead, Skeeter.
I mean, GamerLeader has to do something here.
Absolutely.
He'll put us in the tree.
Gonna get Telekinesis back, but he's fine.
And Faith will pretty damn good against Tiny because of the damage reduction.
Yep.
On the flip side, Tiny hits so hard that he still pushes.
Yeah.
So, another nice sequence here from Falcons.
I think it's a really cool display of what lineup limitations can lead to at this level.
Obviously, that was the botched epicenter on the top of the background.
I think Falcons are just navigating Gamer Legion's fights very well.
I don't think Gamer Legion are having any sort of horrible executions by any means in general.
Falcons understand how to play against it.
good countering, good itemization, and good formation as well in fights. They're making
sure never to be stacked enough heroes together to make the epic combo dangerous. They just
outlast. Which has honestly been silenced as a problem for a very long time. It's when
the game goes late enough and heroes get enough to stop.
R-Sat, the DKB unfade. RC, why would the counter initiation epic center? There's the Doom.
It's actually reflected back to Doom himself. He will TP in shame. Looks like the Bristol's
It's gonna be fine though, it's snaking, nice fear coming out from Ghost, mid-flight, gonna force the egg out, can't he kill the egg with the bear, it's gonna be close, yes!
It does cost him the bear itself.
Yeah, that's 97, did he just use it now?
Yeah, he just used it.
Okay, well, that's a lot of cooldowns once again onto Ammar and they got him to half.
At the very least, they got a Phoenix on the tail end of that.
Just a small victory, trading a bear for that.
You can get a little bit into your own triangle again and try to get some vision, but you
can't put any meaningful pressure on the map.
And Roche is up.
So, let's see if Falcons can get their 11th objective in a row in the series.
Currently sitting on five roaches and five tormentors if I've countered it correctly.
I'm pretty sure you said nine last time, but sure.
Yeah, so now it should be 11. This has been another two.
Did they take tormentors?
Yeah, didn't they?
That's not the one they got on Tiny.
I don't know.
We just talked about this.
Yeah.
Do you remember what happened?
I don't know.
Where am I?
Are you watching the game?
Are you pressing your mouse enough to look around?
I can't tell you how much you click. It's crazy.
That is crazy.
Absolutely outstanding, really truly marvelous revelation.
Lot of stuff here, so Bristle now with Refresher Cheese in the backpack, let's see what it gives Malrin, it will be the shard.
So, two rallying fundas available.
And they're looking for the backstab, this is an all-in-play last chance for Gamer Legion to make an actual comeback in a game that has only gone in one direction.
Unlike Harry Styles.
Okay
To the high ground they go or they attempt to speed is gonna show himself a very juicy target for Skeeter to catch up to Malrin
He's gonna use the rolling thunder speed
Okay, he gets
Destimated by Skeeter's three toss no global science coming actually buys back to use it just there's RC YBKB under the cover of his
Sandstorm trying to get the epicenter up. He does but he dies right after no buyback for him as they've left all alone
gets the doom on Mal rain but to little avail and big num's gonna be next on the
list three dead just like that and falcons sitting pretty this has to be
it right if they kill the bear again now double buyback from gamer legion but
they're dangerously low on resources now as the avalanche on the bear they
four-staff it continuing to get slowed by a mars gonna beat down speed that's a
Tieback for him and there goes the second bear and that should surely do it as Doom gets tossed into Oblivion
And Gigi's calls so Falcons take game number two and the series
Not much foul power. It's about this one. I think
Richard might have to eat his own warts a little bit here very decisive and very
Calculating a structured win took them 41 minutes. I think they just played I
I honestly feel like this was a very aggressive game, through and through from them.
Lots of kills early about both teams, and then Falcons just played them out better and played really good fights, so.
Well done to them, they move on, 3-1, and Game Religion once again, Shannon, they find themselves 2-2 in a killer match tomorrow.
NA Dota at its best. We've seen this before, Richard.
We have. Syndra is right, I'm more than happy to eat my words. I agree, Falcons, excellent there.
Much better. That's the Falcons. I like to see gentlemen. That's because it was like
Suboptimal in the first game to go push high ground, but in this in this game. It was optimal to do it
So they they did it they ran the numbers and I don't know like it really feels like
Falcons was on another level to a gamer region in this series
They figured them out, you know, like letting the loan drew through both games. That's the big one game one. It was
was uncontested because Alchemist came through, didn't work out, Falcons beat that, and then
came too, they let the loan drew through and we saw the way that they beat the hero was
just playing really fast around no cooldown, Skeeter, Portaling, playing super active,
bringing everybody to the fights.
Do we feel that's a sustainable strategy moving forward for other teams or is that learning
what you're talking about?
It's still hard to say, I'm not sure if the hero has been figured out because he has this ability to play anywhere on the map.
And I feel like Falcons did figure it out, but other teams, that's still going to be a question mark.
We saw them killing the real hero, and then the bear gets the kill, but still they are recognizing something that needs to be done about it.
Have these super tanky cores that can't really die, easily have supports that are also not going to be dying solo to the bear.
Plus also having so much minus armor that they can just kill that bear relatively easy.
One of the reasons why he went for Butterfly on the bear.
And also I think having this Brestleback as overall last pick for them just ruins most of these drafts
knowing that if you look at the damage that they have on Gamer Legion they need to commit pretty
heavily. Like if they want to get the kill on Brestleback they need to use Doom, they need to
to use epicenter, otherwise you're not getting the kill.
Yeah, maybe that's the big counter,
is that they have so much faith in Amar on Bristleback,
that at some point they were thinking,
if Lone Druid comes out,
probably it's very unlikely Game Religion's
gonna take the Bristleback themselves,
so they can get a later pick Bristleback.
I know they did first phase pick the Pangalir,
and they left the flex open the entire time.
That really helps out in their drafting.
This is what Falcons has always done.
And the reason that they can do this
is because if you do give Malavreen a free game
on Pangolier, if he's completely encountered,
they don't have to throw it into the off lane
for whatever reason.
The guy will completely pop off.
Look at this inventory.
This is disgusting.
Now these are very, these are like 6,000 plus items,
5,000 some, 4,000.
They're very expensive.
It looks kind of naked, but it does a lot, like the inventory that he does have.
And they are a team that utilizes this hero, probably the best out of all of them.
Kind of shame for game religion, considering how well they played so far at the tournament.
They're going to be having another chance tomorrow, but I feel like I've seen this so many times.
Like, we saw their response for you.
Yeah, they just can't get them to that top eight.
He's no, come on, dude.
They're going to go against Spirit tomorrow and just...
Yeah, I mean we'll talk about that in a moment for now. Let's do our interview. I believe we've got a mark standing by
Hi there a mark. Congratulations on the win. I'll start by just asking you a nice generic question
What version of Falcons do you think is at this tournament because we've seen the very good?
We've seen the not so good. Whereabouts do you think you are right now?
Well, you should have finished and you've seen the very bad you've seen the unstoppable
I think we're at the, I'd say middle to leaning to good, as I say, how we're looking now from the scrims and what we're playing here.
Also as well, we think it's a pretty good patch for you personally, a lot of your heroes in there like the Bristleback doing very well. How do you feel about it?
I'm not sure about being a good patch for me personally because like they killed Mars Timber and Razor
They're like all like top three worst heroes it's actually insane
What about Timbersaw because we think he well, we think he meant...
I think he's dog shit. Yeah, he's the worst hero. What do you think?
I mean all three of them are like dog shit. They're like...
So totally wrong. It's actually a bad patch for you. Are you gonna bust out any secret picks later on down the line?
Is there any new hero you've been practicing?
Uh, no, I'm playing only two heroes this Christmas.
If they ban Bristol and Tad, I'm gonna lose.
Like, I only want these two heroes anyway.
All right, you guys are a pango team.
Last time I talked to you, like you said,
this hero's dog shit, unless you buy a disperser,
then the hero got buffed.
Like, how happy the whole squad was considering
that you flexed this hero between two roles
when you saw the pango boss.
I mean, yeah, I mean, at the start of the patch,
the hero was, like, removed from the game,
and now he's actually back to being a very good hero.
I think, I mean, my team is more happy than me,
because they, my team fucking loves this hero.
They want TI twice on this hero, being the grand finalist's hero.
It's insane.
And their last team and this team, so yeah, they love this fucking hero.
And I personally, I don't even play this hero.
It's like, we first pick it mid, they ban Prime and Beast from last phase,
I think they should just ban Crystal Tide.
I have two heroes only.
I'll play all these heroes.
They don't know.
But, yeah, I just like, please don't bad to hear, so I'm so proud of that.
They don't know I'm not playing, but I'm gonna get it.
And they gotta learn. But also, is there something that you learned from your loss
at the previous tournament during the Birmingham as well? Because
something that BZM said was the reason why you guys lost is that you were
eating five guys every single day. Is that true?
Well, before this interview, I knew this question was going to happen very hard in my research.
Yeah. And second, I think he's very ungrateful human being that when we won with him twice in
OG, I was literally eating burgers every day. So I think he is completely wrong. Burgers give me
energy, but I'm not eating burgers at this tournament. So it's going to be good. Yeah, we're
getting some insight. The diet, the dietary choices have changed. You got any questions?
Yeah, I do. Hello, I'm R the fucker. I have two questions and one is about Dota the other is about you will start with the Dota one
How much of the offlane meta you said Titan bristle is defined by
Consecrated wraps if they remove that item for the from the game with this these heroes still be very broken
For bristle, I think yes, I don't think he would care for that. He would definitely get much worse
Okay, yeah, so bristle. I think it's fine ties. Yeah
Yeah, it is true. I remember the talk actually, it was in Arlington.
Yeah, I stopped the shit of 4 hours sleep and burgers 3 meals or whatever, like sugar and snacks.
Yeah, I mean, now it's like I'm just too bored of this game, so I try to do something else that's...
Yeah, that's enjoyable. When I ever need to like play 10 games, I mean, I always play the other stuff, that's the thing.
Like, I never actually take a break from this game.
And I've already done a lot of matches, so like I still studied the game, something I stopped.
But definitely like taking care of it is good because at 30 being 200 kilograms and cannot move one leg and
My punch is like a pepper. Yeah, that's a bit of a problem. I cannot. Yeah.
Feeling personally attacked right now.
Richard.
Anyway, final question.
Because you're the one player I actually trust to answer this truthfully.
It's usually just a bullshit question, but do you think...
Who do you think is going to win this Valahia?
Tandoori Anders.
I'll try, I'll try.
No, listen, it's always great to talk to you, Amal.
so much for gracing us with an appearance. Rest well and we'll see you in the playoffs.
Thank you guys.
Good to be back.
Bye.
He's so funny.
He's such a funny dude. People don't realize. He gets such a bad rap for the trash-talking
game but if you imagine his little smiling face as he's saying it, all of a sudden it's
laughing.
It doesn't help.
It doesn't help.
It doesn't help.
So before we go to break Falcons, how are you feeling about them? Amar was being a little bit, you know, cards close to the chest.
Do you think you've seen a potential tournament?
Oh, absolutely.
I think this team always has something to offer and seems like they figured out some of the issues.
Even though he's talking about the patch, you know, only playing two heroes, he can definitely bang out some more.
And yeah, definitely love to see what they have else prepared because they seem very stable so far.
I think there's a reason every team rates them top three like no matter how they're performing and where we're seeing it here
Yeah, definitely anyway great hanging out with you
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with Wits from the South American Rejects.
How are you?
How are you?
All right, good, good.
Now, I wanna talk to you about your team's name.
Now, if I'm correct, everyone on the squad is Peru, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And the Peruvian rejects have been around for a very long time.
But you guys have changed now to the South American rejects,
despite everyone being from Peru.
I wanted to ask, why is that a conscious decision
to represent the entire region?
We are not the only Peruvian fans.
Also, we have Prasilis fans.
So that's because we changed, I think.
Yeah.
Do you have a responsibility to South America to do well?
Do you feel pressure for those fans?
Not any pressure, but I'm always trying to do my best.
Well, that's a good way to live, good way to play Dota.
All right, great.
So let's talk about the last event.
What do you guys think happened?
What did you learn?
I think we were improving from game by game,
but it was a lot of fun.
but now we are trying to do it.
Mm.
Do you think the mid tournament patch had anything to do with it?
We didn't play any game in the new patch, only against our role, I think.
Right.
No?
It was a big game.
That one game was kind of important, but okay, very good.
I want to talk to you about your guys' team and why you work so well together.
Why do you think you guys are staying together and why does it work?
Oh, I think there is a good environment and that's...
Do that we can talk any mistake and nothing can happen.
Sure, sure.
So, you're willing to learn and get better together.
Who do you want to face off against the most of this tournament?
I think it can be Royce because there is Tylo and my friend.
Okay, Ty Lung, the friend.
He's been rising a lot.
A lot of people love this guy.
You ready to crush him or what?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah?
How did you meet?
How long have you known him?
We met like five, six years ago.
Dang.
I made him my first thing with him.
Really?
Yeah, we were 8K or 7K.
Dang.
Did you ever think both of you would be
on competing in these games?
We didn't expect that.
No, you really?
Yeah.
Why'd you play to get all the way to 8k
if you didn't want to be a pro?
Just, I think, for fun.
We're a high MMR, and we started to see,
and we play more competitive tournaments.
I could tell.
Yeah.
Well, you guys are doing great.
You're the new generation of South American.
Yeah, we also qualified to drill together.
Hey, yeah.
Very good.
Is there anyone that you used to look up to?
Yatoro.
Yatoro? Interesting.
I noticed you did not say you wanted to crush Yatoro, though.
I respect him, but I want to win against him.
Okay. So, last question.
What's your expectations here?
We want to go to the playoffs.
Well, it seems like a lot of hard work.
It seems like a lot of fun.
And it seems like you guys are ready to kick some ass.
Good to hear, man.
Any words to the fans who you are representing as the South American rejects now?
Muchas gracias a todos los que nos apoyan y voy a seguir esforzándome y con equipo igual
no seguir más haciendo, ¿no?
All right.
Fantastic.
Well, thank you so much.
It's a pleasure to have you here.
Can't wait to see you.
Absolutely crush your Toro.
I know how much you hate him.
Thank you so much and we'll see if it happens here at PGO Valacchia Season 8.
What's once to make it to the playoffs and there's only one series that he needs to win
here in order to make that happen.
The same thing goes for the opponents of South American Rejects.
Paravision is their opponents for the upcoming series and you've joined us on the second
half of the day.
Even though it's going to be a very short half this time around.
I'm Shiva, your host for this one and I am joined by Rihal and Teehagov.
How are you doing?
I'm doing good. Thank you very much for asking great. Yeah. No no complaints. I
Actually feel like South America regents could potentially even take this series
So normally coming into it like a pee vision, you know, they're looking no now
I'm nearly did the clap on the camera on the mic this time. I feel like very close between the two teams
They're gonna make this game very exciting. I feel like they're mid laner is is a wild card
Yeah, you can do very unexpected things. He has a
Let's say not meta, hero pool right now, so I think it's going to be a fun watch no matter what.
It's going to be a great watch now. Before we dive truly into the players of South American Rejects,
I think Tiga, have you had something to highlight in particular?
Yeah, no. I feel like South American Rejects journey to getting here, they've been very close to beating,
at least Aurora in the first day. We have a couple clips from the first game.
They had the agents, they had a lead, but Aurora with the Slardar was able to initiate onto Underlord,
And it was just a chaotic fight, you can see on the minimap, more to keep you in quite late.
And this was a really, really close game one.
And after this, we are going to move to a second clip.
And it's going to be the same story, South American Reject.
Even with a grasp in the game, they get jumped.
Alright, Hoodwin steps up, kindly comes in.
And if these two mobs didn't happen, if they were cleaner in that mid-fight,
if Hoodwin didn't get jumped here in their good formation, they probably could have won this game.
The second game in this series, they jumped in Aurora.
Game 3 though, Aurora cleaned up, they clearly, you know, were the better team, they closed it out.
But after watching this first game, there are these little minute moments that we could have actually been, not even talking about them right now,
and they could have free-rode potentially, so that's why I wanted to bring it up, as we do see the clip run back, so we can't skip over that one.
They do show a lot of potential.
Yeah.
No, they did, because this is the only series they lost.
Paravision lost against Aurora as well, who looks to be very much on top of things.
That's the day, you know, night plus that, but everybody's playing bad in this series.
And also the one that Paravision had with Aurora, it didn't look like too many mistakes
were made on the side of Aurora.
So high hopes for South America rejects.
We have won every series since that series on day one, perhaps also learning a lot from
the moments we just witnessed.
And this is the first time that we see them on this stream.
So in case you've only been tuning in to this stream,
that means you are very familiar with ParaVision,
which means that we have said a lot about them already,
which means we're gonna focus a little bit more
about South American rejects,
because that is the new hot team on the block, I feel like.
If you wanna start with Wittz,
we've been talking a lot about the carries lately,
and we just heard from Wittz as well.
He's making a great impression.
Yeah, he speaks English very well,
so if they win the series, he could do a good interview.
I have to say this guy has played seven different heroes in eight games so far at the tournament.
He is the most versatile carry.
He has a big hero pool that uses to his advantage.
They do love South American Redex to have the last pick and usually give it either to
Wizz or their mid laner, which you will see here in one second, their mid laner is the
opposite of their carry.
He's the least versatile mid laner, playing only three heroes in eight different games.
I feel like they have this stable guy on mid, he's a wildcat, I said this before, why did I say it?
Because the pubs, wasn't it?
Yes, some games he just pops off, he is real lendless, he never stops the aggression.
And then some games the aggression is too much and then he gets punched for it quite heavily and has a hard time recovering.
So they have just overall very solid mid lane on the aggression and backed up by like big hero pool carry so enemies don't really know what to expect.
I mean, the thing for me as well was Wits, right? It's like when I was climbing where Mamiah and ranked, he was one of the carry players.
Like he was, again, with South American calls when they play European pubs and that you just know on the leaderboard.
But he started playing some pubs. He was in my games. He was like, you filled the aura of his carry.
I had him with friends. I talked to a bit. I didn't even know like where he was in that competitive
This was pre this team right free like him being like a tier one player
And then I just see him his rank just keeps growing and I'm like, oh my god
He's too quick. I thought we'd like you'd be queuing into each other again
You know get to you know, climb them amours maybe
Like when you find carry players in your brackets, it's nice just to kind of get you know reliable partnerships
But yeah, I was like ranked 600 at time and then I blink now
He's like 300 200 wow. Well, see a boss. It was a nice meeting. Yeah, that's kind of become like very common
with these South American players like Tyloon and
Whits yeah as well. Yeah, they just come here into Europe to start playing the pubs
Seem to be adapting very fast and very well
Now the heroes that you showed from the dark muggle
There's one here in particular that I'd like to focus on one that no one does not play
I don't think I've seen him play it anyway the kunkka
We've seen a couple of other teams playing around with it, but it is South American rejects that has been
picking it frequently and it's almost a staple for them and I was wondering why
It's been doing very well on the mid lane with this hero. He's demolished yesterday
How come nobody else is doing it with that hero? It's an issue a specialist here
Yep, I would say and it's not necessarily that good right now, but since he's very comfortable on the hero
He can have a lot of impact and especially he has won his mid lanes quite heavily when he's on this hero
Yeah, it also helps. I think with like a skirmishing meta right where kunkka
Punishes it really nicely with bow and just the teamfight control you have if your lineup can see it and your mid lane
I can go I can get through the lane and I can get to my like in kunkka's just a weird
Hero based on itemization. I think he's in or out of the patch based on does he have a clear path?
Is it an act rush build?
Is it an armlet into BKB build? Like what type of build it is?
But if he plays confident and skirmishing lineups are being presented, he will slot into it quite nicely, I feel.
Most of the play Kunkka and Ember and only one game of DP, the Outlier,
but the rest has been four games of Ember and three of Kunkka, if I'm not mistaken.
Also, we have to give credit, I feel, to South American Rejects, right?
They don't have an organization.
They were strong enough due to their pain game results to get an invitation here.
Also, simultaneously, whilst playing this tournament,
still playing qualifiers in other tournaments because they are on that grind, right?
When we look towards...
They're like, this week?
Yeah, like, they play their best as three in the Swiss.
They go back to the hotel,
and then they have to go play qualifiers from the hotel in other tournaments
because, of course, they are focused.
They clearly obviously want to win Valahia here.
They want to have invitations towards the guy. They want to be like the best South American team and shown to
Sponsors that potentially could make their lives a little easier. Just yesterday when they finished the series
They went and played immediately after yeah a qualifier
Yeah, it's just wild to think that like because they don't have that organization
They don't have the like the privilege to be we can only play of the lahia
You know like they in their heads
They say they need to try and do as much as they can to have that focus on them
But that is gonna like potentially wear them down or it will fuel them right because they can go from playing
You know beating or nearly beating Aurora
Beating Yandex and now they're going off to like play some tier 3 team or some online event
It's like it's quite a you know the the extremes of playing in Dota
But you know when I checked it out
I thought it's some different players using their like a team tag
Yeah, and then I clicked on the game and I saw it's actually them and I was positively surprised here positively impacted
These guys are hard workers right now. They want they're hungry. They want to win
They could bring a lot of surprise here in the series.
Do you think it's good, because it basically gives you also,
and I know those are also officials,
but it gives you some extra practice?
It does.
On this patch as well, which is a relatively new patch?
The scary thing with it is always when you're playing more games,
you give more information to your opponents in regards to your style,
especially when Slardar's picked like, what's your Slardar response?
That information today could become a problem in, let's say, the playoffs, right?
Yeah, but I mean if you if you just don't care if you just keep playing and just improving
More games will always help, right?
Back to the alchemist once again. Yeah, welcome to the alchemist panel
Harry decided to ignore this hero, which I think has
Not the stats everybody was
Assuming is going to happen this tournament
50 percent
Well, it's the F30's at win rate.
Yeah.
Yeah.
4-9 right now.
Are we, are you happy with the trade then, taking the Lone Druid over the Alkling?
Are you happy for the side of Paravision that they got that?
I feel like that question, if you asked about other teams, I would be a little worried for
maybe even the Alkling up, because Lone Druid, you farm nicely, you get mool, and at Ags,
you hunt them out.
Alk's AFK and the Jungle farming Ags, like you get this like weird dynamic forming between
the two, but the only carry player I've seen in this event that has actually not bought
aggs and played for himself is Wittz on South American Rejects. So that will potentially
shift the balance of this matchup, where if he does it again, while Lone Druid's still
trying to get to his aggonyms, he's playing on the sidemap, Alk might just be like commanding
his team, like going, guys, I have AC, I have Bloodthorn, I just like 25 minutes into the
game, like follow me, we might see that here, he might go back for the aggonyms, but we
have to keep that in mind, especially after Kiritich said it was a terrible build.
No, he said it was trash. He used the word trash.
It was pretty harsh about that.
They have the Queen of Pain right now. They want to. That is true. I feel like it's the best partner for Alchemist.
But they go for the...
If you're not going to buy Augs, you don't need Queen of Pain.
That's true. The laundry is being picked over Alchemist by Perry. We show their priority right now.
It's like they looked at this hero more objectively, rather than emotionally coming into a tournament.
And they decided it's just not better than Laundryrd, which is doing quite well right now.
Laundryrd is doing well because in the laning phase you play on the hero,
so that you don't get the kind of off-lane punishment because the bear is your body for you.
And then they very quickly transition to a very nut style hunt.
and a timbersaw in response to the ancient alchemist which is probably going to be their safe lane
it does feel like a good lane for timbersaw
you were pretty critical on timbersaw yesterday
I still am
okay
it's currently 2 and 4 and the hero does not have an impact
okay so let's take a couple steps back then
before let's go
so why do you not like timbersaw at the moment
based on just timbersaw as a hero outside of the draft
He's heavily nerfed on the laning stage, agonins, burst damage, which turns to like general burst damage, which the hero usually fives on, has been nerfed as well.
So I believe he just doesn't bring any team positive impact, just throughout the game.
He does get to become a beast when he gets to like 5-6 items, like 25.
But that's not how you play Dota, is it? You don't really aim for those level 20-25.
You pick a hero, you see Alchemist Enchantress, you pick a hero that can have a good impact on the lane
and abuse the fact that Alchemist gives free farm to the offender.
Yeah, I would agree that. I don't think I've seen timbers or players, like in the past, you would step up into your lane,
use that catapult wave, break the tower, and then you just own that area of the map.
Like that doesn't really happen. It feels like he goes more even. He's playing for his...
Yeah, because that's an effect.
Like two item tankiness planning. It's like he's playing more to tank and walk in rather than to burst and break the map.
right yep and we'll see if pVision can utilize that. Who's playing Lone Druid? Because it's
surely satanic who's playing Kaz. It could be a offline or mid of course. I mean it's not going
to be support but. Well someone has mentioned Lone Druid support. Alright last year when I did do
my A to Z challenge on all heroes, when I played Lone Druid I did buy the shard on the bear. I did
go play fake bat rider and go fetch it. It was okay. Would I say it's a pro thing? I think this
could be a mid-lawn droid against the Viper and just have some time in Conquests. I know you guys
like the idea of support laundry. What hold? Possibility. This doesn't feel like a mine class
here. Yeah, that's what put me in that basket. We have the Viper then if you want to put it mid.
That's fine and all, but that's not one of those three heroes.
I'm very complated, but there's always the option that they put the Viper off lane and pick something else mid.
Out of Schumer's off lane, like when you look at South American Rejects draft, it just feels like
good combinations, right? Mealy body of the Knicks to enable arranged off lanes.
It's like we don't see too often. The Enchantress would be alchemist to play the lane.
We are just looking at very classic side lane partnerships here.
It's a classic Skorfil hero, the Knicks. He does love to play this hero.
Professionally and in pubs as well. Very potent.
Here I am bringing information about the pubs.
That's true.
Insight info.
Then say what the 23 pick is, then.
Usually the inside information right now.
23 pick from Perri.
Of course they aren't playing the plus finder.
They obviously need a 9th class hero right now.
One 9th class hero is not available because he's being targeted again.
There's still a Lashrack but it's not getting his nicks.
Monkey's out, I was out, Rubik's out. What is he gonna do?
Is there a chance that he will play the Grim and then the cars will play Lich and then like what more combo things?
I mean it could. I mean it's okay.
It feels like they do need a combo though, I would grind that.
Why would they pick it? The alchemy solution is not that good.
Talking about the Viper, it's not that good either.
Yeah, when it comes to green magnum. So why did they pick this year?
The p-vision just seemed to be going for drafts for like the heroes independent of items would eventually get online to do things
Yeah, go on. Yeah, go on
You guys are the analysts I is a support learned during the interview. I didn't want to say I already sound the stupid before
No, we talked about it this yesterday off off the panel if you remember
They play the laundry as a support like a batter. Yeah, you give the blink and I get him shot on the bear
And suddenly he's a bad
Well, it's just you know, I I feel like this is one of those moments in draft where I want to see the players lock in their heroes
Yes, and then if we spend like a minute and a half talking about it, and it's not there
It is a nine-class laundry. Okay, it is brother. He's gonna go play fetch
He's so dumb!
Five minutes in he's clicking about mental intelligence.
He's just being in the bad HP.
We did theory craft this yesterday, and we talked about Laundryd being a good leaner, actually, with the new root and just the bad writer effect.
You know, to fetch the guy and bring it to your team.
Yeah, I need to load up the stats on Fetch. We need to really remind ourselves how good the...
It's just a little tiny bit worse than last one.
While you look that up, I do want to highlight that it is the Ember mid-steal,
so the Viper off-lane, so Dark Mago will not play a new hero.
Yeah, still sticking to the three heroes.
Sticking to the three. The other two were banned out, so the respect was there for that.
Other than the lone druid support, which I'm sure we'll get to in a second,
I want to know our thoughts on the drafts as a whole.
Do we feel like Alchemist has a good pairing?
Will he use the pairing this time?
Will he buy Agadamceptors?
Alchemist has a great pairing, and there is barely any lockdown for the Emperor.
He's going to shine this game if he does have a good lane.
That's where it comes in the wildcard sometimes.
You know?
Are you happy with the Grimstone?
Do you feel like now that there's a good pairing for the Soulbind?
There's a good purpose, I feel like they want to do this all by then double-fitch.
I think this is what they're looking for.
Double-fitch?
Double-fitch, of course.
Take them for a walk or something? I don't know.
Yeah, I think for P-Vision, they loan druid support aside.
They will have a lot of strong heroes for their players.
So when you get some items onto the roster, I'm going to expect it to work out.
I am intrigued to know what a loan druid support will do.
Are you sending the bear to block a wave?
Are you pulling waves for free on the hero?
Is it like...
We should analyze in it. I'm intrigued. I want to watch the game. I am intrigued to hear what our commentary do things about this
support
Happy um in cheap if it was anybody else but my class right? I would say this is garbage. This is trash
I have no idea what's happening, but if it's my class. I'm I have to let them cook right this guy can pretty much do what he wants
In the four-all so let's see. Let's see what's gonna happen. It's gonna buy agonies or is he going to actually play a support?
That's my only question to make it was it's his first ever game. She will play lone jude in pro history
So who knows if he even knows what he's gonna do in this game?
Okay, I do see that he has...
It looks like, you know, the Platinum tier.
It looks like he has Platinum tier.
So he looks like he's well-versed on the Lone Druid.
Let's see how it'll play out as we're heading into game number one of the series.
Thank you very much, Heaver.
Game one is gonna start, nine plus on the Lone Druid.
At the same time, though, big list, right?
As weird as this Lone Druid is.
Not weird, bro.
Skowfield mixed assassin.
Literally the best mixed assassin on planet Earth.
A guy who was almost single-handedly grieved enemy teams into throwing leads that they had no business throwing, and then winning the game for his team.
Yeah, they have a lot of really good heroes, really comfortable heroes, great players, right?
They played Alchemist already multiple times, of course. Everyone has.
You have a good agonist carrier in the Ember spirit.
And the next assassin overall to me feels kind of good versus long trade, you know?
I have a feeling like this is something that teams could explore a bit better, or a bit more.
Like everyone is trying to deal with the bear.
What about picking Mix and just hunting Druid himself 24-7?
I believe we saw that on day one, right?
One of the teams played Shian Protector against the Loafer.
Exactly, yeah.
They were just hunting all around him, they didn't allow him to just sit and farm in the jungle.
And it worked, because there was just the invades, he's not free,
so just sit on the outskirts of the map and farm constantly.
I feel like Nyx is asking me to dig and literally solos the druid early on in the game.
Well, I'm not going to try and pretend I wouldn't be happy to see a lone druid lose, but at the same time I want to see Alchemist lose, so I have no doubt in this fight.
Yeah, and let's see how much he can do on a position 4 lone druid. It's an interesting one. They're switching up the lanes a little bit though. That needs to be said.
Mid lane, kind of to be expected, Sandsking into Ember, but look at these side lanes.
Yeah, they decided to play Viper and Nyx into the Timber Soul and the Lone Druid.
Perhaps they were afraid that the Lone Druid could put too much pressure on the Alchemist,
so they put him in a quote-unquote easier lane where he can still farm some farm.
Yeah, definitely. I do think that this is a much better lane for them.
On top lane, in chance race, I feel like it has a little bit of an easier lane as well,
and she has more uses, right? Like you have this Enchant that you can use as a dispel,
or as an offensive tool to get one of the creeps, so you can get rid of Ink Swall very easily.
Why don't we see these kind of lane swaps as much as we used to?
I'm going to talk specifically about Alchemist. You don't really want to swap him out from the
bot lane because there's like three small camps that he can farm, right? At all times, the moments
you get the acid, like you can just leave the lane, farm the frogs, farm the medium camp.
It's a really good place to be in as an Alchemist, even pre-6.
We'll see how they make all those chops out of the map.
Bits for now, struggling a little bit in the CS department as Satanic.
He's quite happy with himself, not going to really experience too much pressure.
I wonder what build he's going to go for here. We've seen him play Battlefier,
we've seen him go for the mage layer decelerator a lot of options with mid lane duck margo
Oh now that I did not expect solo kills level three on the ember spirit that's kind of incredible
It's the beautiful start for the ember. He brought him really low. He's killing him in the cs department as well
You don't have to play a lot of heroes if you played them this well, right?
Like if you can get solo kills just continue playing the same three heroes and that's it if you can win your lane
It's this kind of problematic because they do need no one to have a decent game to open up the map for them
You know, Timbersill can somewhat do it
But really need the sanking to give that initiation and that bonus magic damage
Well, their main combo in the mid game truly is the sanking plus dream, right?
Like the stun into the ink spell to the silence. That's how you were supposed to be getting kills. So
Bottom lane
There's going to be some harassment put onto 9th class, go feel.
Has a blood grenade out on top of him, but unlikely that 9th class is going to die here.
Has fair fire, is Jelen.
No problems.
Yep, I love what they mentioned on the panel as well.
One of the first things that you feel with the lone druid when you're playing it right now
is the laning stage and how strong it is currently.
You can also abuse maybe the TP and stuff to get yourself some items,
But overall the laning stage is much much better because you have multiple ways of routing targets or multiple ways of initiating that route
You have a spell and you can also do it with the bear so
Pretty nice to get some three extra stacks for free
It's not nice is just how little CS it's getting I understand the nature of the lane software
Man, it's alchemist
Yeah, it's quite the death.
Enchantress as well, very deep on the other side, and she is definitely going to give up a death here, going the way up to Carlos.
Yeah, this top lane is not going well, and even though Sand King did get killed, I feel like the trade-off on top lane, I won't be too happy with.
The Calcane is literally creep-skipping at this point. This isn't where you want to see your position 1.
Yeah, your position one is having to do these kind of shenanigans minute four. It's not looking solid, but
It has seen alchemist recover from some pretty terrible positions in the past
Unfortunately the nature of this lane means that they don't even have time for the entrant just to go around stacking too much
So there's a lot of free farm
It's gonna be taken away from them
That means that there's more pressure on Dark Margo because even Frank though he's also not winning his lane really he's behind in the laning phase in the CS department so
This kill that Dark Margo gets
Cool as it may have been it might have in retrospect been necessary for their success
Yeah, it might have been and whenever you're playing an alchemist lineup
I feel like it is kind of better when your mid laner is doing better than you
In a sense, I feel that you're buying him agonies anyways, right?
So it's nice to have a very big mid laner that can use that first initial agonims to create space in retrospect for you.
So we shall see if agonims will even be the item on wits.
I feel like it is a really good axe game, and I'd love to see it, but I did notice that he didn't buy it the last time.
the last time.
Bottom lane, Nintros might be in some trouble here, Frank will be able to run him down.
Let's go for you, get the credit for the kill, thanks to the Blood Grenade 6, and that's
very good.
You need more experience on this hero, and Takmago just cracked 6 as Dukalis showed up.
Okay, now it's really necessary that he got that earlier kill, otherwise he'd be dead for
sure in that moment.
Top lane.
Top lane, we also have some pressure being put onto the cares, Elmisho about to bring
him down.
They noticed that Dukalis was in the mid lane, they don't want to chase onto the satanic
cares.
Misho, a couple of more right clicks is what he needs, but now look at this, Zatanic getting some help, assistance, they've even brought over a mind-blast.
They will not allow this Kess to go down there easily, not grenade.
This is...
Send it on El Misho, misses, and he should be fine.
You can see how it all kind of trickles down, right?
You get that kill on mid, you get level six earlier, the rotation fails, at the same time because of that rotation, you can now be a bit more aggressive on the Kess.
Now you're zoning him out as well, and suddenly Alchemist because of that mid lane is finding a bit more space.
Also now that they've drawn away 9th class, SuperLess is all by his lonesome Stofios. Initiate with the stun, Frank finds the kill.
The domino effect of that kill, middle, dark mago.
He's created a chain of events very favorable for a squad.
Not the easiest lane for Timber, right? Like you are playing into a Viper that is maxing out poison attacks, so eventually this hero just out damages you.
There is really a whole lot that you can do as a timber on a side lane versus Viper.
We'll see what build Frank decides to go for on this young Viper.
We're trying to farm underneath the tower right now.
We're playing timber again.
We can run down Dark Margo and just go field.
But Triples will be able to back up to the tier 2 tower.
In the meantime I can test for this wisdom shrine.
A misho is within but here comes Dark Margo.
Here comes Dark Margo, trying to put in some pressure. Concoction lands out onto Ducales.
Dark Margo will try to finish him off first. No one did trigger out the epicenter, bringing down El Misho in the meantime.
Beautiful earthbite from the high ground, from Skowfield, but unfortunately, Kez is right behind him, able to bring him down, get the quick kill.
Dark Margo realizing he's outnumbered here.
He doesn't want to let it go, like he's still trying.
But he might have to, Frank, though. Just solo-killing Triple S on the other side of the map.
Okay, no one is gonna go in with the power strike to try to get revenge, but this is a viper
Only one point into the corrosive skin, however, so no one can take him out inside the sandstorm
It's a very nice recovery kill for no one. I think he's still pretty fine when it comes to network
Of course, he's a sandkink. He does farm pretty fast even after that first death a couple of stacks and he'll be a okay
Also, guess what? You know what was happening at the other shrine? Skullfield just stealing it
Let's go fill things.
Black Margo, you throw with an Amplify damage room.
Can you just like chase out onto Ducalis?
Try to get this kill.
Well, they vaid the stun from Ducalis,
but it doesn't really matter.
Just gonna back off. Doesn't want to chase that far.
Any sort of a spirit hero when you're playing into Grimstroke,
you don't really want to be diving way too much.
Stun into Ink's wall, into Phantom's embrace.
A little bit too difficult to get out.
I'm going to leverage this Enchanter to apply pressure to the T1 Tower now.
It doesn't seem like no one is close enough to fully destroy this.
Looks like they should be able to grab this.
So first T1 Tower should go the way of the South American rejects.
I wonder, did this tower fall because they have a very big mid laner who's top of the
network or because they have a position for a long trade that can't really do a whole
lot when it comes to defending it. I will reserve judgment on this hero for now.
For now. If so, I'm close cook. I have to say though, I was thinking if
Fetch is going to be the builder or not and it seems like it will not. He is
literally just playing carry. And I'm just not surprised. I don't know why but
I'm literally not shocked that he's just going me all near. He literally queued up.
He bought power threats with his first set of gold that he got and now he's going
for me on here like this is literally or carried through it there's no difference
nine trust is this is the guy that went in charge was 440 rushing ads you know
what you expect from this guy I remember there was a time when Mipo was
possible to be played like this is a force so maybe we'll see nine class
resurrect that as well eventually nine plus please don't give visiting ideas
This wits now has a little bit more freedom they managed to take down the
tier one tower in the top lane he's not being pressured as much so and actually
start forming in towards this radium so obviously quite delayed 9 class on bottom
he is going to die in the fountain game is hard sorry about that gang yeah the
TP was there but it's very difficult to survive with all of these tanky heroes
when you're playing versus a viper that's literally four levels of poison
attack is Frank is currently not really tanky though right because of this kind
of a build he is not your classic offline viper this is more or less full-on
right click carry mode from him dragon lance as well as the next item not
tanking up no crimson's no veils no agon acceptors no shenanigans just full on
right click
No one does have a blink dagger coming through right now, you could decide to smoke up and
make a play and utilize that combo you were talking about, Carlos does have one in their
backpack, Chantris will be scouted though, they don't even need the full combo, she's
pretty much going to die very easily before the ganks while he pops, killing screen off
of no one.
You know what, we have seen this from them before, where they played all three cores,
all three cores are going full on right click, going carry mode.
But when you look at this game as well, not the whole lot of utility, at least Enchantress
is going for the Solarcrest.
I sincerely doubt that Mixed Sassin will do something similar.
And when you're off Viper as well, he's going for a Dragonance.
It seems like a pretty good game for a Sand King, not playing versus a Pipe or anything
like that, no Glimmer capes.
They're smoking up, trying to hunt down the Alchemist.
Dark Margo, comes across, triple S. Go fielders right there as well, with the Vendetta hit
if necessary.
Searing chains will emerge first, but without the Viper being nearby, they actually don't
have the damage to pierce through the armor of this Timber, they'll have to let him go.
vessel charges are gone on ember which is a pretty big deal as well look at no one just
snatching some stacks
there's like no items on it bro three branches they have to does give the vision though that they
know where alisha was at they will come off through i'm able to kill them off just yet
No one, now sitting in the middle of all three heroes, Dark Margo finds a searing chain, Frank is there as well, laying out the Nether Toxin, the Viper Strike and securing a kill.
Dark Margo with now extra vision onto Ducalis, but it's finally going to get involved in a kill, they really want to give this to the Alchemist to juice him up.
That's exactly what will happen. Paravision, end up losing two, only getting the Enchantress.
They lose the bear as well. They didn't, right? No.
Basically, what I saw there is maybe an insight in what they're trying to do with the Lawn
Druid.
He's farming with the Druid, but he's actually using the bear, not to farm with it as well,
but to scout.
He's just sending the bear around, even though it cannot attack, at least it can give vision.
I mean, okay, it's something, a walking ward.
lane. Very high level scan there from triple S. He had a feeling Schofield was nearby and
he scanned him perfectly. He didn't do that, he'd actually be dead right now. Frank just showed up
at top. Maybe he won't tell Misho, Echo Slash goes forward by Satanic. Misho will pop the attendance,
does have the untouchable, so Satanic realizes, yeah, you know, it's my time, let me go back to farming.
He's going for full on hard carry mode on the cast, right? Like he's going for battle fury build.
No Dazzle, no Mateslayer, nothing like that, just full on scaling.
But of course, give the alchemist some time to recover, as he does have his, you know, given how bad the lane went, right?
I'm surprised he actually got this Radiance at a decent time.
Yep, you got that one kill as well, one assist.
He's doing fine.
But this small camp as well on the side lane is pretty good for him, right?
Like he's been stacking the small camp using Gaster's Strait to farm it very quickly.
Battle Fury now up for the kills.
No one building into his Hagenems, Frank just wants to get... See, you're gonna go straight
for the Hurricane Pike on this Viper, so we're really, really doubling down on this type
of style.
Yeah, I feel like ever since the last changes on Viper, I wasn't really sure what the best
itemization is.
The hero was mega broken when Helm of Dominator was the thing and you could play Monoflain
with basically just buying Veil for the armor.
Skullfuel gets found out here by no one and the Coloss will die and his friends will be unable to avenge him
All these feels good when you find skullfuel he doesn't just scurry away
Let's oh actually got the unstable concoction out onto the cares here comes the ember spirit as well dog
Margo here with the additional damage Ravens veil will come out satanic protection will actually be able to escape a
Mishou had no detection on him there was a time down bottom
They have the AP center going out. No one's the one able to get the kill onto Frank
That's get the illusion dodge go on to the additional fight the strike
You're free done by no one. They'll keep him alive
And one of those main item builds for heroes like huskar when you're playing versus viper is a manta
Illusion rune as well. Obviously does help versus viper strike
When they went on him toplane, I think they had a sentry on the ground, but he killed it before using gulti
Oh, nice nice nice
Stop here, portal strike, kill, should be base 3-4's.
All because of these wards, right? Like the deep sentries, deep wards that do scout him when he moves out.
They're not necessarily using the sentries and wards on their side of the map, like defensively.
They're using them very close to the towers, where Nix TP's and uses Vendetta from.
There, surrounded by multiple South American heroes.
Some free gold.
Not too bad, 240 I believe, and four Alchemists as well.
We got it through the stone.
It's gonna complete the second component of the Agenam scepter.
So just two more to go before we can give it towards this Embersberg.
I doubt anyone else is getting it.
It's going to be such a massive upgrade for the Ember.
You get yourself the vessel made slayer already is up in a couple of seconds on the ember and then an agonim is on top
I really like
When the agonims is given to a high
Mobility spirit hero from the middling I hate it when it's given to a bristle a viper
The static here on dying these static heroes that kind of absorb aggression
They don't necessarily output it when you give it to ember like your team has just so many different
ways to play the game.
Dark Viper, Dark Mato, coming through, the mage layer, beautiful, Impale, Francis, Nick's Assassin, and they are able to find triple S, holding him inside the Ascense Breakers, which also made a rotation on the Alchemist.
Plus 240 and I believe there's no resummon, right? Like that was the secondary bear that died, so lose the bear, you also lose the timber.
There's a respawn cooldown reduction now back in the game because of the Lone Druid and the bear being a hero.
Oh, yes, you are correct.
Right, like if you draft Keeper of the Light and Lone Druid, like you can just spam Checker on him and he'll basically have perma bear.
Well, I hope none of the pros are listening to that.
I feel like a two minute cooldown is not nearly long enough.
If you're careful enough, two minutes is perfect.
Good late.
Going to go onto Ducalis.
No escape here for this Grimstroke.
As the Agadans reveal, right there immediately, there's some kill.
Going to go straight into the veil of discord afterwards for Dark Margo.
The Bloodstone is the new meta, while being the way you build it now.
It doesn't seem like Witz has any real interest in building the second Agnes, might do it
a little bit later.
But for now, I'm going to start focusing on his own game, BKB in the offing, after what's
certainly going to be the blink tag as we expect.
Yep, BKB blink and you're kind of activated, you can play the game, you can actually start
joining fights.
Because on the other side, you do have a very potent position one that's been more or less free-firing
This is another position one that they need to try and deal with right now
He's gonna try and escape away from this
We should be fine
Darkmonger unable to get to the secondary slide chain, so he lives maybe they turn around for this, but still sticking around
because
That's okay. They don't really have they don't have nicks
They are smoked. They're they're connecting
Let's see if they can do the wrap here, no one suspects that something is arise, waiting
in the wings with the blink faggot.
Wanting to get aggressive, also has his own agonist scepter just recently purchased for
the sand king.
Love to reveal it in this kind of situation.
Here we go, Dark Margo, they come across 9 class, Skowfield though, he's going to the
back line, he has no interest in the lone druid, he wants the chaos and he's going to get
him with the break and the impale, but they need more damage, he's going to come in from
Dark Margo and Zatanic though, get off the rancid dash!
by shredding through these heroes and it gets out of the grappling claw, are you kidding me?
Dark Margo really wants to at least bring him down,
force the Kess to die,
man to dodge,
to get out of the stun,
get out of the roots,
unfortunately he can do nothing about the Spirit Vessel.
He will eventually die
and El Misho, Dark Margo, they escape,
but it costs them three heroes to achieve that end.
No extra control of course on these two to stop the TPs,
just a beautiful,
I would say, beautiful setup from Paravision actually, because the bear is the one that gets gone on, you know, and he's still a pretty, fairly tanky hero, they expected this sort of progression, the Sand King was already in position to counterplay with the epicentral and burrow strike,
And honestly, there being gone on gives you all the info that you need to start things off.
One of the reasons why Satanic is actually able to use all of this is because of the stun
of the Sand King who was, yeah, okay, I see my lone druid is being gone on.
I have so much time to set up my spells.
Do you manage to get a couple of core heroes out in the end?
Well, technically three core heroes before counting nine plus as the fourth core.
I would still say that this is a pretty good fight for our Rijik boys.
And last, just being a bit of a nuisance on the Shrine of Wisdom.
It's still farming about. We actually just queued up SNY.
We haven't really seen that from all of these Alchemists, right? We've normally played in X-Link, BKB, Basher.
I think this morning there was an Alchemist doing the same thing and it didn't really work out for him
But yeah, let's see. There's something about the SNY that is making people fight again
I don't really see it yet and did get nerfed
It doesn't feel that great like your damage output is a little bit lower, but you have a little bit
As you're a bit tankier as well
The one bright spot for both of these teams is that the Roche taking abilities takes quite
a while for both of them so even if you lose a skirmish here or there, you have to like
decisively lose a big fight before you're worried about losing larger objectives.
Yep, tormentor though, not as large of an objective easily picked up.
Spranky action. Speaking of which, you do have untouchable by the way, and you have Viper.
So if you go into the pit as Radiant, I feel like it is possible, but it does take time.
You need to win a fight before that, because Aghanim's Sand King is not something you want
to be clumped up for.
Ravigenos smoked up on the other side of the map.
They see Viper TPing.
Yeah.
Okay.
Might decide to go on top of the Viper on the Neko T1 tower and there it is, Inkzwell,
Forest Light, Epi-Center, even the bonus of the Chakram and the Timber Chain.
They burst through Frank like it was nothing.
You could see it.
You could see their move.
Like they didn't smoke for him.
They smoked for the bot lane, right?
But the moment he shows, they change their mind and just go straight up on him.
This Viper is still a free kill.
If you can isolate him, he's absolutely gone.
He's getting towards his BKB though and that does become a little bit more of a difficult task to do.
Post BKB, but for now he is just free food.
It's cool that they killed him just before he got BKB and just before he got 15 as well.
Get that.
Tinders 4 shard right now.
10 minutes faster than the wreckage.
Why build it so quickly in this game?
They bought a couple of shards by the way right now.
Yep.
Just some casual flamethrower, why not extra damage as well?
I don't really think that he's going to use it massively to take any objectives anytime soon, but...
I believe there's a shard on the druid himself as well, for the roar.
This is... it's not necessarily your standard build.
Your standard build is Aghanim's after Mjolnir.
So he is not being as greedy. He had queued up the Mjolnir, but he is satisfied with the Melschum for the farm and straight into the shard.
So he has some use at least in these fights, because you can save a drawer across the map, right?
You don't have to use it on the bear, you can use it on the druid, which means that if the bear gets initiated on, it's a pretty good shard, basically.
He's gonna try to angle into the Agadams now, but the problem at the moment is being
stouted by this mixed assassin by Skowfield.
Gonna see triple S, but he needs the Viper to be here if they're gonna get this kill.
Unfortunately, ParryVision have awareness because there was a sentry ward and triple
S got a sliver of vision.
The fire is there from the flamethrower to scare the bug away.
Like in the Ting.
The only way you kill it is with fire, so.
That's why he bought a shard.
Haven't given up though. They're gonna smoke to the other side now. They don't really have great vision
So they don't know that this case is relatively vulnerable. I
Don't think they'll get there in time though
Let's go back to farming dark mother will go bottom
And he's actually deciding not to finish the blood stone. He wants a you'll scepter on the same perspective
Okay, something to have against Grimstroke as well, versus the Phantom's Embrace, something
a little bit to dodge out the combos that they have on the other side too.
There's no agonies on Timber for the ULs to be effective in that way as well, but...
Mago, some damage in the mid lane, Dark Mago gets the oval part, no one there with the
Inkzwell-Parrot's right combination.
We didn't trigger out the epicenter.
Trigger out the epicenter, not that bad it's just here, Caz though, at least he might have it, rushed forward, forced to cancel out the Rhapsodons, this little skirmish might just end, however Frank gets forward and you're trying to grab the immediate route, does have the PKB, turns around,
Skofield out of nowhere with the MPL, Zatanik falling low, he needs to get out of here.
Dark Margo jumps deep into the fray with the agonist scepters, gets out of the steering
chains onto triple S, is still able to get away for a moment.
Ducalus, very nice ultimate onto El Nisho.
What should he do?
Dark Margo out of remnant, so can't chase any further forward.
Vitz is coming through with the Radiance Burn, looking towards 9th class.
They get the F3 kill onto the Loan Druid.
Finally, they get back the steering chains onto Zatanik.
He activates the raptidons, makes them very nervous, forces the rest of the rejects to back off, being content with two support kills.
That's right there is the reason why the druid himself never shows up to fights this early on.
I mean ever, not this early on but basically ever, the hero just melts.
They used one vessel on him and the radians burned more or less that was all that was necessary to take him down.
down and you can see just what the different fight it is when the Viper gets a BKB even
though he gets initiated on it, it doesn't really do a lot.
The Roshan could right now it's going down lower and lower, the Paradision tried to contest
this.
We were just speaking about how long these Roshan take but finally they get it on the
high ground, go field, sacrifices his life but well worth it to ensure that Dark Margo
secures the Aegis.
Oh, the corner?
I don't need show lost tick of the TP.
Hey, sorry bro.
Just another thing that you get from Kaz, right?
Some extra unobstructed vision every now and then when you need to stick on a target.
Some heroes just get it all, and then you have a Rage King with a stun.
You know, it is what it is.
A Juggernaut with a trash ultimate.
This cares farming very well looking towards grabbing a butterfly for himself into the
MKB there after.
Very very scary in this game.
And Vitz has counterpots.
Those have the SMY looking towards grabbing an AC right now.
What do you make of not having blink dagger on here?
Well, we'll talk about it in a second because Vitz wants to activate the chemical rage.
Trying to get out of here, Wolf self-stun himself if he doesn't pop the DKB, no, goes towards actually triple F who also eats a fight on strike, Frank just showed up out of nowhere.
Dark Mago, died on the high ground, doesn't have to series change if needed, expends it onto the spring stroke, Grim will die, they kill off the bear too.
There's no resummon by the way for 20 seconds and I feel like every time Witt's is a part of the fight, they have the necessary lockdown to take down targets.
When you look at their setup, their setup is basically just Nix
Snipe King, another setup
Beautiful setup from said Nix assassin, forcing a BKB TP out from no one
But to see the difference, with the Ember you don't have a kill
Because the follow up from all the stuns of Nix is a rude
But when Alchemist is around, you don't even get to BKB because
There's a stun into another stun, Carapace into Impale
And then on top of that the Alchemist stuns, right?
So every time he has been a part of these fights
He's gotten them at least one kill.
What do you make of him though deciding to skip the blink dagger?
I guess part of the SMY
Because you get more movement speed as well
Maybe a movement speed satanic trying to get away from dark margo right now forced to bkb
Don't have the damage it is just
A surprising amount of damage being dealt and the mix was almost there with the him.
It was almost there. Yeah
What the vendetta shot rather
What's also very interesting from the two supports on Radiant, both buying Solarcrest, by the way.
So, doubling up on the Solar, not something that you see all too often.
We also see the Enchanteress you were mentioning utility earlier.
She's gonna be the one going for the Crimson Guard instead of the Piper.
Yeah, she had it queued up for a pretty long time.
It's not really the cheapest item, but Enchanteress with the Vanguard is always...
a hard cookie to crack.
On the other side, of course, a ton of utility from your remote druid, position 4, he's got a milstrom, the power threats, deodorax, rejoice soul carry players, this is what's coming to your pubs.
Please, bro.
I'm going to be going towards now the bashers and the epistles for Vitz, Frank wants an eye of Scotty.
You're scaling right now on the status of South American rejects.
It isn't 8K lead, obviously the op-late with Alchemist, but it's not solely due to the Alchemist, Joe.
It isn't, it isn't. Like every time you talk about Kaz and you mention the counterpart, Yalk,
I feel like the counterpart is actually the Ember spirit.
Like the two of them, though, like Ember is actually on top network currently,
has so much farm, Bloodstone next, you know, what 400 gold he will have it, so Shiva's plus Bloodstone,
It is incredibly farmed.
You just got the 20 talents as well, so much stronger.
Keep in mind, the hero that we kind of said is very squishy early on if he was the Viper.
Now he's screwing up Scottie.
Dark Muggle?
One minute left on the Aegis, doing, diving very deep behind the tier 2 tower.
Where did the mana go?
That's what I'm wondering.
No Lion here.
He's the one that's playing with the Nix Assasins. What happened?
He managed to tip you away but the vkp was also used right so the next fight should be
a little bit easier for uh rejects to take
okay listen the boys are gonna smoke again with no one but he's without his bkb so they need to
ensure that they get the correct target they take a full five on firefight right now i don't know
how it actually pans out okay they're definitely spread thin or radiant viper is more or less alone
He can't be KBTP out, but let's see.
Come up.
Manage to force off himself to the low ground.
He's fine. Children saw the danger coming. Evaded it.
Waste the time of Paravision.
At this point, you have to admit that Paravision,
their whole gameplay is, they're just buying time, right?
You're playing into an alt-chemist,
but I feel like at the same time, they're just holding on
until they actually have some value from the bear as well.
Currently, he only needs 200 volts and he will have the Agonim Scepter fully completed.
So that's something, you know, maybe this was the plan all along, just survive until the Ags,
and then the ratting begins.
It's always difficult to play when there is an extra hero somewhere on the map just pushing it.
In this situation, it's the bear.
It will be constantly just ratting.
Dritz however, he might die here. If he died, it almost has the money's 50 gold short, but he's not gonna get it because he's definitely gonna lose his life on this one.
Skofield, is there ready? Oh, okay, buy it! Where's the courier? Buy it! Skofield? Skofield? Skofield deciding not to actually go on and turning the tension towards no one who's being agreed upon by Frank.
Frank, now they need to ensure that they get the kill on that Sand King.
9th loss.
Well, if he's the real carry, then somebody has to sacrifice themselves and no one did the job for him.
I'm not sure if no one is super happy about that one, but that trade.
But okay, the agonist is near on the long-distance. Let's see.
Satane, he's bought inside at least Searing Jains.
He bought some Nanta out of it. They still have BKB at the ready if needed.
Without the Sand King being available, they don't have that quick jump onto the backline, so it makes it so much easier to stay in formation while you stage this high ground.
It feels like they can take the side for sure. They have AC as well in Alchemist, he's not even showing, right?
Literally, they carry Dark Mako, he's just hitting objectives, hitting Q-Roses, doing everything for this team.
And Alchemist is just sitting in the back. He's chilling.
They just picked up the Flink Tiger as well on the Alchemist, so he can much more easily re-engage.
SkyD now also complete 4 Frank.
This is really good from South American Rejects.
It reminds me of what they played we saw last night.
Paravigian vs Aurora. They were doing this to Aurora.
You win a fight somewhere outside the base, you get a key pick off and then you leverage that into taking a lane of Rax.
So South American Rejects have learned from the opposition.
Yeah, absolutely. They were playing into a void, right?
So they knew that they have to play the tempo.
I feel like at this point, they don't necessarily have to, but they are probably.
Three kill on the left.
Aghanim Scepter, not really going to help at this point.
Three gold going towards flank.
The Aghanim Shard as well, helping out versus the two melee heroes, but not versus the Viper.
This Viper is getting scary man, he's going for Butterfly next.
Look, everyone is getting scary on one side, and on the other I just...
I just called this acute experiment so far from the druid, but I'm not really seeing the benefit that they got from the druid.
They're buying some other items, of course Aghanim's own Grimstroke is queued up.
It's an okay Aghanim's game, 4grim. Nothing absolutely insane to take, but Viper is a good hero alchemist as well, not too bad.
Because my land up losing his bear yet again, Darth Mago is on it, Spirit Vessel already taking this thing down, and guess who's there again? Vitz is there!
How is this guy just showing up to all of these small engagements? Radiance burn will be enough eventually to get the kill!
Yeah, thank God
It's a lot of I wish we had a stat on how many bears died in a game because
It's been quite a few considering the lowest amount of road was like 240 that it gives
so
Nice contribution to the rejects foundation
It's also how early those bear kills started right normally when we start to see the bear kills get in later on into the game
but this was very very early, like 10 minutes before the first one died.
To try to understand like, Paravision and what they're trying to do, right?
Like, if you look at it strategically, he still is baiting the heroes onto the bear, right?
Like, he still is sort of creating space, albeit by feeding 300 gold at this point,
but he is creating space for the teammates.
See who's gonna smoke up. Oh look at this Dark Margo. He could be in Tom Rovier, doesn't have a BKB. There's the full combo of spells with the epicensor.
He's certainly dead in the blink of an eye, but he buys back, reengages the fight, does this, jumped in onto no one with the stun, easily cleans up the Sand King.
On the high ground, Dark Margo wants to find Satanic. Has no interest in the Timbersaw. Satanic's in danger. Satanic is dead.
He's dead! Thanks to the efforts of Skullfield and Dark Margo, Triple S, Connorscape either,
and Dark Margo immediately gains back the gold he spent on the Bioback.
What a fight coming in from the South American regions.
This is absolutely high ground. One side, maybe even just full throne.
Bear is trying to... Rat, by the way. It's something, you know, this is going something that...
I don't think it's going to be enough. The Bioback from Sand King, okay.
Forces them off the throne, at least.
Still, how quickly they drain us?
I think I can still poke it in tier 4 right now and see who else is prepared to buy back.
Yeah, absolutely. They only have one buyback. It's on a Grim that will respawn anyway.
Dude, is this game over?
I feel like it might be.
Wow!
Tier 4 towers, there's no cares. 50 seconds no cares, 41 seconds, no Timbersaw.
And no one in the bed with the very least find and kill Stokey old buck at the same time they will lose to Kha'Lis.
The only person who's buyback, and if Tukalis is buyback and nobody else's, they know for a fact that it's gonna be at least 3v4.
He was trying to buy some time. Basically, which is that?
My class is dead. Look at the damage from Trank!
The spear just does absolutely nothing. Throne is exposed, Throne is being ran through.
No one, there's not a dieback situation. Tukalis will throw out the Soulbind, trying to get as many spells for it, but it doesn't really matter.
They're hitting no one, they're killing him more
because they died back on the Sand King.
The Asian War 4 GG well played is called
the South American rejects take game number one,
exposing the position for Lone Druid.
The position for Lone Druid was an interesting experiment.
We've seen the nine class Terriblates, Slarks.
We've seen the Monkey Kings Lone Druid.
Currently, at least in this state,
might need a little bit more work.
A little bit more work is required.
Shiva, what do you all think about the ingredients of this Lone Druid?
I was able to help my reservations, but I think I was correct to be very skeptical.
Yeah, the skepticism definitely in the right place. I'm sure we're going to talk about the
Lone Druid support, but I also wanted to start by praising and highlighting Dark Margo on his
Ember Spirit. He popped off. Yeah, he popped off. He's always played in this fashion, very,
very aggressive, and the times it doesn't work is because he's just being over-aggressive,
but it's definitely like a staple. Every time I see this guy, he is relentless. He tries his best
to win mid lane, which we will see in a moment. He gets a first club on no one, and he basically
takes that advantage and puts it into the other lanes, always making rotations on the xp rune.
He did it this game as well. He goes defensive or offensive depends on the game
He goes to the sidelines to get the kills in the list that they need help on
Basically, he's just trying to be everywhere and being involved in all parts of the game
Yeah, I mean, it's what you want from from your mid lane
Especially when you have scophers right in the four position on the next assassin every time you've got medet, so you explore the map
Looking to go through these opportunities and Dark Margo on the ember right second post make up
So the second most played competitive hero for him 186 games according to Dota Buster that might you know
You miss in a couple games, but still it's like you know
You want this player to feel comfortable?
And I think South American rejects they know how to do it that modern school are breaking this map
Love the fact that they did a little lane swap as well to make sure they can try and get the most out of their heroes
And yeah, I think the P vision
They just kind of
pause there. How do you want to phrase it? They pretty much, I think, were the first competitive
team to spectate a game they were in. They just kind of existed. Timber did okay. They had good CS,
like minute five, six. The CS was decent on all the cores, but then you look towards the net worth,
losing the top safe lane tower, it disappeared. No one, normally a big playmaker, a loud figure
from the mid lane. He got one kill on the mid lane with the Grimstroke, then he died and then went
quiet. Laundry was a support rushing Neonir ads, feeding like what four or five
a billion bears, giving like the net worth of some certain countries. It was
insane. It's had so many bears. It's so many bears. Like I just don't know. They
like satanic. Let's let's highlight that the Laundry. I feel like the
laning stage as you said Timur had a good lane. I feel like that's big part
because of the Laundry. He did have a great matchup against the Nix. You know
And as you see in the first minute of the game,
Longrid did bully the Viper as well,
which allowed Timber to get ahead in the event,
in the CS department.
But it's top-stair.
I feel like that's the only thing he did this game,
except feed bears.
The close score, 24-19.
Like, it feels like maybe the game was closer.
The score lines are certain here.
It feels like it could be closer,
but it just wasn't the case that the entire times
after my rejacks, they had like a whole grasp on this game.
And again, we see Dark Mogg again in the first button.
No one it was just moments like this just little little moves even when the ember was doing his
all billion julian remnants around the map just doing stuff like they just were controlling the
fights right 9-1-11 you know yeah it's such a weird game to analyze I got a team here that's
trying their hardest to win and then another team who's still trying hard to win but their draft is
just you know they're gonna play that 200% good to win with it I feel it's true yeah it uh it was
not really it from Paravision. It also doesn't really convince us that the timber is worth it.
You've been pretty critical of the timber and you had a good lane, you're setting yourself,
you couldn't do more after that. Even if you take the loaner out of the equation,
he should have been able to do more in the timber itself.
Time and time again we see this scenario happening. He goes to the lane,
sometimes he gets a good lane, most of the time he actually gets a bad lane,
in this case he did get a good lane, but then he just doesn't have anything to do.
He's been over and over time and time and again, I'm not sure what teams are seeing in this hero
right now, it just feels like it's lacking in every department. I feel like teams are getting
baited right now, and here we see on the screen we have another thing I want to talk about,
Wits getting gone on here that basically Paris trying to force his wkb, he keeps his Wits about,
And then he turns it around. He turns it around, he gets a kill and another kill immediately after.
Soon after the clip as well, they won the second, they forced BKB and ETPs out.
Basically like these two guys, Dark Mago and Witch for me, they have great synergy together and they're playing extremely well.
Yesterday and today, they've shown they really want to win right now. They're hungry.
And he did build an Agnem Scepter.
He gave it to Dark Margo.
The way that they play in this game, they had very nice subtle progression throughout the map.
Even the Archivist, we've not really seen Alts go for SMY as well.
SMY, AC, he wants to just be a body in the middle of his team.
And it makes sense. I'm really trying not to just keep harping on this Linger.
He should.
Was this then would you would you just say okay this game in particular for
ParaVision if they changed that loan druid into something else I don't know
Lishrak or whatever is the game better? Are they gonna win it? Because I just
feel like South American Rijik was just playing that clean I feel like the loan
druid obviously it wasn't great but at the same time it's still he still set up
Timber for success which didn't happen you still got a kez that should
eventually be able to kiss it up and he didn't. It would have been a 5v5 not a 4v6.
Yeah it was just like I'm retrying not just to be kind of like rude on it I'll be honest but
like it's just kind of useless like the nine classes is about like buying one cheap item being
like like exploiting the map having two thousand gold to his name like one good item and doing
things. When you put him on loan you're asking him especially when he's going to be honest like
ten thousand gold like five times more gold required to be like as annoying as he was like
TI with Slark and Monkey Kings, even in this tournament with Leshrac and Blink or whatever.
It's just such a conceptually shit thing for him to be doing. I cannot fathom how they've
kind of gone, this is what we're doing boys. We're going to put him on a hero that he's going to be,
you know, Lone Druid is good because he lags me on it, but it's like early timing. You know what,
let's do it like 35 minutes. I fooled him. Let's take it all the way down. To me, I cannot fathom it.
I want to take it on that actually. I feel like, yes, he did not have a lot of impact this game,
But let's give Kratos a 9 glass. He loves bringing these new ideas.
100%
Obviously it did not look that good, but we don't know exactly what they were aiming for.
If it would have worked, we would have sang it's praises.
Yes, exactly.
You're right in the balance.
Sure.
And you've got to love...
Have a word in this case.
I agree. I've got to love his willing to try some things.
I know, but I feel like all his other things, you can like, even in a bad game,
you can see like the line in which it enables other things to flourish.
I feel like no one like he just kind of depressed in this game
Like he has he's a sanking here's a grim stroke and like he wants to make things happen
But it can't like all the other options that we've frozen 9 plus 4
Dear lesh sock whatever you can say like immediate place vision. It breaks open the map it does things
But this one it did nothing on paper. Well, potentially we just didn't see it come to fruition the way it was supposed to
But maybe that will happen in game two after a break
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Techie's now able to play a bomb's mid-flight
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You can kill Zeus by popping a blade mail in Nimbus.
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Kesa's Raptor Dance provides magic immunity.
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Magic community. I mean not only magic means you know it is false actually they removed it in
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All right, what is the active spell of metamorphic mandible called bug out arachnid assailant pupate or metamorphic?
What's this if I don't know is the neutral item that makes you small and yeah, it turns you into a bug
What's the name of it?
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All right next which of the following heroes had no spell based at or ability changes in any of the patches warlock clink's
Lyserak or Centaur.
Um...
I think it's Clinx.
Clinx? Incorrect.
Oh, bloody. We have not begun.
Okay, that's okay. We'll move on.
We'll get one soon.
Much like Warlock's black grimoire,
Witch Doctor's gree-greed,
and all other neutral items
have been removed,
along with the removal of Talons.
True or false? True.
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No, no, sir
My slate it is balls. He still has green green and winter wyvern has a ball. Yeah
Which the following neutral item enchantments are still in the game boundless vast wise or audacious
I
Don't even fucking know how it's just
Guess brother wise
Okay, wise. No wise is not in the game anymore. I don't break
Who even knows the last time?
All right, all right, all right.
Relax, I'm sure we'll get one of them.
Next.
Yeah.
Which of the following spells does not have 10 bullet points
of change information, a.k.a.
Which got changed the least?
Was it Dragon Knight's Elder Form, Finger of Death,
Tinker's Turrent, or Divided Research?
I have 10 bullet points, once again.
Yeah?
On the update page, each one of these had 10 bullet points.
That was not the Dragon.
That would be.
Dragon Knight, I gotta say, not great.
Not great, there is, hey, have fun.
Hey, you mean, I think you got one right?
You know what, it was a good one
that you got right, Satanic.
Great job.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Brush up on those notes, big guy.
But no worries, it doesn't matter about the patch notes,
you ain't got to know it to win, am I right?
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
All right, that's cool.
Have another fight, Jason.
All right, well, thank you so much, Satanic.
We'll see you more from Satanic in Paravision
here at PGL Valacchia Season 8.
Paravision and South American Rejects are going head to head in a best of three and
the winner of this best of three will be getting their spot in the playoffs.
The loser of the series will still go to tomorrow so it's not yet eliminated.
The score right now, South American Rejects are one up above Paravision after they failed
an attempt with the lone druid support. Was it the fault of the lone druid support? I don't know.
For the side of Paravision, they have already removed the alchemist. They're just saying,
you know, which alchemist? This is too, too strong. Let's remove it.
I should like the solution to the alchemist was to pick that lone druid.
Seems to me like they lost faith in it. And now they're like, okay, we're not playing the same
more. So we're not going out anymore. It is because the reason why we see Falcons leave
in the alchemist all the time is they feel like you know Amar got it he lanes against the alchemist
and it's fine so maybe this was Paravision's attempt to we can lane against the alchemist too guys
which i guess they kind of could yeah but it's also intriguing so when you look at South American
Rejects against them Loan Druid hasn't really been banned when it's available South American
Rejects haven't been really rushing to take it themselves so for for p-visions like draft one
game one strategy to like rush for a hero that isn't really contested is a bit of surprise like
if they wanted to be like utilizing this flex and quirkiness hold it a little bit longer like
surprise your opponent down the draft but alas that didn't happen right now it's not respected in
the bands at all we'll see uh again if p-vision want to look towards it but i think p-vision have
just made the right kind of the right bands for this it feels like this they had rushed with the
the long route. Nobody really picks long route first pick necessarily. Like on average they
do tend to go a little bit further into the draft before deciding they want to long route.
Because like just first picking this hero is kind of detriment to your draft, in my opinion.
They go for the Venom instead.
That's a first pick Venom answer.
Yeah, already when I see first phase Venom answer, even though it's got a good win rate,
they're looking towards no one, potentially having a lot more impact in this game compared
the Sand King, the embers, the pups, the massive playmakers that exploit kind of
weak and lockdown supports. Maybe I'm not expecting it on, you know, night's pick,
second pick in the draft, but starting to think about in the future for South
American rejects to protect themselves against.
The Phoenix is the answer.
The Invoker has been banned from South America every day. I feel like that's an
interesting pattern. He does play it. No one does play it. He played it. I'm not
sure how many that I've seen him play it twice. And they banned Ember themselves?
Yes, I think honestly fine. I think I already just praised how good it is against Vettemonsa,
and then if P-Vision are to take it at any stage in the next phase, you are forcing your 18-pick
to respond to an Ember rather than responding to like the entire draft of P-Vision, and it can
kind of be annoying. Ember ban, in my opinion, is not necessary in any way. It's to me, it's more
of an emotional band. Stark Markov is a big Ember player. He puts a lot of respect on this year,
so generally when you have that idea of the hero, you kind of get scared to play against it,
and why I see it's not good is because no one plays all of the spirits, and they're still in the
pool and you're not going to be able to ban all of them, so it probably feels like an emotional
ban to me, since you're a good Ember player. Yeah. Parry goes for the beast. The Invoker ban,
of course does make sense I think no yeah no one has three wins on invoker so far this
year he plays into the map really nicely on the hero when he has set up he goes agg when he
doesn't he goes for kind of again octarene she was in love there so yeah again he's not just a
a one-dimensional invoker player prevision though that draft looking way more stable
Yeah, this time around, straight teamfight, better lanes.
Yeah.
Well, South American rejuice, they go for Nix again on his co-field.
He's bladed twice with 100% of the grief.
Yeah.
I mean, it's just so much, it's just such a fun hero, I guess, a better way of wording
it for the information, like other teams would struggle with it.
But based on how we have praise, dark margo, it was like map play, it is just a really
cool partnership, especially when he's running inbids, Venomons is aggressively farming jungle
a plague ward, when you'd go to kill the Venom monster, we saw in the Heronix series, KJ
down a lot on this Venom monster. What happens if you jump him and then suddenly Nix is literally
in this AFK next to the Venom monster, setting up a bait, right? Like there's a lot of fun
things you can do with the support duo once you break on the enemy side of the map.
I've got a great reasoning for banning out the Ember. Okay. We got Dark Mago, he just,
he destroyed no one. And we already established earlier on this week that if you want to convince
someone that a hero is good you have to crush them with it and then they will want to play it.
So you know this is Dark Margot just reading, you know, I crush him so hard no one will want
to play Ember Spirit to just prove that he can do it too. Let's bat it. It's a thing the leaders do.
That's the ego coming into play. That is a fun one to think about. He wants to prove that I can
can do it too. It is also just a scary hero. Nisha, one of the earlier today, we saw Mouse,
I don't know, on the bean stream. They first picked it as well. Nisha also had the most
this at 10 minutes in the game on Ember. Sure. Nisha has had a couple of games recently
where he's died quite a lot to be said. I mean, he's still an exceptional player. He's
still won. Exactly. That's true. He's taken some trips back to the fountain more often
in the past. That was a battle of the eagles of the Queen versus the Ember.
We're talking about how Paravision's draft looks very stable and to be fair it still
does, even now four picks in. On the other side, I wouldn't necessarily call the draft
that South American rejects is going for stable, but at the same time for them it is.
It also came out surprisingly fast. I feel like they're the ones coming in with the plan
this time around. Apart from 18th pick here, they're taking a little bit more time as is
understandable yeah that draw setup is pretty much just they want to have the
the good lanes right the better monster opening to secure that you're safe lane
your nicks will pull way to your most likely bristle off lane of course now
wits needs to decide okay I'm against a cat's carry I might be against a beast
master but you can also go towards mid so you need to have a safe lane and carry
that can play against both and the new hero joins the fray yes his fourth
here right now yeah but I like it for the fact that you are respecting Beastmaster to both lanes
Queen of Pain in mid you just have scream you shove wave it is just going to be a battle of two
wave shove mid laners it is surprisingly hard to play Queen against Beastman why because the
balls are far enough away from the screen yeah being far enough and if you want to right click
it all you scream on it they just the beast will go and hit you yeah axe you but I can still see
the pacing being advantageous for the queens right like sure there's a couple things with
ball like can you keep your ball alive you probably can if you're very good at it but just the fact that
you can sit behind a nix get a kill you can follow through with the bristleback and get a kill like
it's very explosive on the map than the p-vision if kez is farming the battle theory that we see
tonight do if b suddenly goes to to off lane you're farming a dom into ags if it's mid you're still
farming in ags but there was a window of the game that levels played better for south american rejects
whilst p-vision need that kind of stability that farm across their cause and now we see why the ember
was banned as well. So I was wrong, it's not an emotional ban, they were preparing for the
queen. Ember is one of the best heroes to lane against and play against the queen.
Yeah, I mean that's why I didn't mind it to be honest, I think if they had to suddenly
react, they're not getting the top mago, you know, hero pool to flourish, right? And they have this
Venom and Nix, as you said, they're gonna give a lot of information, they're gonna open up the map
more of the queen to play around.
There's this BB as well sitting in front,
basically putting a shield wall between the enemies
and the queen.
I think this queen is going to have a great time so far.
I mean, for Wits, is Tiny available?
I ask kind of what I'm seeing.
It's like a semi-aggressive carry that can
farm a couple items, join your team.
I'm not expecting anything too flashy from the last pick,
but that's where Tiny has kind of felt quite nice
in this position.
A couple of items, as you said, from what he does love to change items builds, game
per game.
He seems like he does not have a set items, a pair of set items that he wants to pick.
Now he goes for the Windranger.
I don't mind it, like you are a carry that you can buy an item and join your team.
Of course, we have many different styles of Windranger, being joined by Alahia between
Micae and Nightfall.
Not very good stats in the tournament though.
How do you feel appears against the kids because as a winner I play myself. I feel like kids is kind of the better heroes to play against the winner
Yeah, you're very bursty and that can always just threaten a winner that's trying to play on like the limits of her
Sposage and items. I I feel like I don't mind it here
Based on the fact that there isn't enough like things to break down the map on the vision
But you are gonna see when you get her item or two that is what an enchantress maybe a
Beast must have a dumb but he's gonna be running into a personal back then there's a sonic wave and plague words
It's not set yet the beast could still be made or off and that is true
Yeah, it's a beast when perivision played against the Wind Ranger yesterday of nightfall
They played like two games against it at least but they lost one of them and they won one. They won the case game against it
They did win the case game. So can they recreate that with this draft? Okay, in my opinion South American rejects
There are on a timer when it comes to the carry matchup, but they have the queen factor
That can always turn games around unexpectedly to the nature of the years a lot of damage a lot of good team fight potential
at the same time
Barry has just a very chill wait your items
And go type line up that is one of the problems potentially for p-vision like that cause need items to do the damage
They they kind of like scale into the game whilst the South American rejects
They don't really care right bristle with levels 15 minutes you get charged you want to invite aggression
Queer of pain of course will do it as well. So I'm looking at kind of South American reject
Wanting to try and win out the laning phase get a couple kills turn it into a bit of a snowball
If you force Kez to overlap his farm with a beast or a voice for it things can be uncomfortable
But yeah, I do agree. We are like P vision their draft is very kind of just very stable
If it gets online, 20 minutes is solid.
Oh, 100% right.
The last draft was like a fever dream.
They're just done with it.
It's fully gone.
I think the enjoyment of this game from South American Rejects is like the first 15.
What can they do?
They will play aggressive on this, and if they do good, they are very good at pressing the advantage from their own.
Although if Paris does get away with the laning stage,
and the scheme goes like 25 to 30 minutes,
it's going to be a very hard game for South American rejects.
It'll come down to like the execution, the discipline of a team, right?
We showed the clips of the earlier part of the day with South American rejects.
Didn't have the best positioning,
it's what allowed them to actually lose the series against Aurora.
They could have been a 3-0 team,
so if they had learned from that, you know, that series on day one,
I think they can even still clutch up in the late game,
but they're going to have to show like development to be able to get there.
They have the aggressiveness to go for it.
And now that we've seen the full draft of South American Rejects,
we already said that it looked like they came in with the plan prepared.
Overall, first pick Venomancer.
That good, that makes sense now that we see the full draft.
Yeah, I mean, they just have layers of aggression with just right.
Like you've got Qwap Agnan trying out daggers.
They call this beautifully, yeah.
Now, if you run into them, you're just going to get like a ton of spells
just slowed up.
It's all like he and then when we're just cutting in between.
in a good way. Yeah, exactly. You know, yeah, it's a messy draft and it's gonna do it's gonna do
nice if they can throw the spells together. Yeah. Okay, let's see if they can throw the spells
together and if they can get a 2-0 out of this one or potentially we'll go to a game three if
Paravision manages to do it. We're finding out together with Snare and Lizard. Thank you very
much, Heaver. And indeed, we do have Parry on their ropes on the back foot and Big Liz,
you heard what the panel are saying. Stability, you know, a very comprehensive draw from Parry
vision, but massive aggression coming in from the South American rejects.
Just looking at the drafts and thinking about the play styles of these squads, who are you
favoring here?
Which feels like a more natural fit for each team?
I feel like if you want to tour them, this is the way, right?
Like you pick some super aggressive lineup, you, not necessarily is it nice kicking people
while they're down, but when they're down one game, you want to kick them one extra.
What's one extra game down?
You know, just to win the series.
So I believe that what they have drafted on their side is pretty capable of doing exactly
that.
You've got sup progression, you've got mix assassin once again.
So if they can come out of the lane swinging, play the tempo, it's possible.
But per vision, man, this draft of theirs looks absolutely stable.
I completely agree with the panel as well.
Not too much damage coming out of the spells themselves.
I could even say that this is one of those games where you could argue for enchantress with impetus
earlier on, but overall they need a little bit of time.
If you let them have that time, the team fight, the scaling is just too good on Rated.
Yeah, that's one of the drawbacks of this Diadraft, that South American rejects.
What do they have at team fights? Noxious Clegg, Sonic Wave.
That's pretty much it. Outside of that, you are heavily reliant on winning the earliest Girmishes
before you get to the point where the team fights break out.
Yeah, they're playing Dimin's Ranger on Offlane, by the way, again, Witt's on Offlane again, so switching things up a little bit, it's the last time...
Wait, I didn't see too many games of them, but they tend to do this, like I've seen a couple of series where they just roll him here.
At some point I was like, is this their new Offlane? What's going on?
It's the new meta, baby.
Gonna be paired up with Skofjord of course, so not only do I have wits here, but Skofjord
is gonna be playing the position 4 role still with this Windranger.
We always mention on the panel that eventually this matchup becomes kind of complicated for
the Windranger.
When you get these massive levels in the parry with the Shoroshai, it gets really scary for
this Windranger.
It kind of goes, it doesn't really go both ways, but let's name the positives as well
for the Windranger, right? Like, why did they pick it? They also have, or had, only one stun.
That's the Nyx Assassin. So at least with the Windranger you have this, you have the Shackle Shot to
combine with the Nyx Assassin stuns to perhaps kill off Kez before he can even do anything, right?
Like, if you can manage it that way, then it's great. But if you use your Ulti on a Kez, he doesn't care.
If he's not stunned. Like, he can get away from it, or he can just eventually turn on you with an MKB.
And that's eventually down the line to be the build.
Tannic has decided to go for a more aggressive itemization here, instead of angling for the battlefury, he's going to be playing with the mage slayer first.
Okay, so we did say that they are stable, but it takes a little bit of time for them to ramp up.
Mage slayer cuts that time basically in half without the battlefury.
Bukalis is trying to interrupt the port of GoField as El Misho.
It looks like he should be the first blood here to S3S3.
The smart golem will provide the body blocks, make it very easy for 9 class to get the kill.
And as you said, you wanted to see the impetus.
9 class has it.
He's doing it.
I would even argue that both builds are just absolutely wonderful for Endshir.
If you're maxing out the heal, you're playing versus Venom.
So all of his dots are basically negated.
if you're going for impetus you have so much more when it comes to aggressive potential
so far so good for them on top lane. It's a very scary lane top lane,
HBs monster, never fun to play into. This is Warcraft 3, RTS version on top lane,
like 12 units, the control group is full. Look how close the CS numbers are, no real
advantage being picked up by anybody, anyone's just getting the farm that they need.
We'll force this 9-class Enchantress to TP back, but she'll just go back to the high end and let's heal on Talos, she has a fairy fire, she should be fine.
When you don't have a heal, not really a lot that he can do besides TP after the Gale.
Basically, they need to stay in the lane until they're level 3.
Beastmaster with level 2 axes, actually not level 2 bore.
Level 2 axes, Endage with level 2 Enchant, Skowfield.
And then we go forward and kill off Skowfield, the Echo Slash doing the damage in Zatanic, making sure to maintain his distance away from Vitz.
Although there wasn't a shackle shot available, so, unlikely, that could have stopped him anyway.
When it comes to delaying, like, these two supports are probably the two weakest at the moment.
Phoenix, of course, in general, is a very strong hero, right? It's solid. It's always nice teamfight, always nice damage.
You kinda know what you're getting from it. But both of them, like, the Nix and the Phoenix, especially on the first two levels, are just really weak in delay.
Triple S, getting harassed right now by El Misho.
Frank lost, we'll just zone him back a bit but Frank is also closing the gap.
Lug grenade to the flow and throw it. Frank didn't really want to commit for this one.
As Wild Axe is returned from Triple S, El Misho falling lower, the boar might try to chase him.
Hops the fairy fire. Should be okay!
Oh wow, Axe almost killed him.
Frank lost.
Frank lost, he's on bottom, look at this. Gohfield is now here as well.
Frank is throwing in the Quill sprays, it eventually does get killed and he finds Elmisho eventually.
He used the last Axis, for some reason Elmisho went back in and actually got clipped by the Axis, let's die.
He was out, he could have retreated if he wanted to.
The one bright spot about this is because Skofjul had to make this rotation,
Vitz has not been able to actually stay in lane and bomb, so Zatannik has been really ramping up the CS numbers down bottom.
Although Anisho has now gone bottom, Shackleshot is available at long last, PowerShot misses to Kallus, but he might still end up dead here on the Phoenix's garden.
As he goes down, Skowfield out of nowhere gets the Impale out onto Satanic, Dark Margot has also made his first rotation.
No level 6 of the Sonic Wave isn't available, PowerShot will be there, the damage will certainly be available, Skowfield goes past onto the Tiawant Tower, no way dude, nobody's that good Liz, nobody's that good.
Almost, almost. You know you were mentioning that the bright side is that he's not really laning on the Windranger properly.
He was still finding farm. Sure, he's not laning, but he was under the Tier 2 tower, getting some last it's at least.
Also baiting out all that aggression.
I want to say that Skofield, what a spy carapace, 1 second left until the blink, but it's 1
second too long.
9th class, still able to clean up Dark Margo.
Very unfortunate that he only had the 2 points on blink.
No one has to feel really good about this rotation because not only is he a part of
2 kills, he also gets rewarded by a DD rune, he just completed the nerf so he gets 3 charges
now on it as well.
more than anything I feel like he feels great because the rules were contested
before next assassin was helping out Queen of Pain quite a lot when it comes
to the water runes I mean yesterday he was also struggling against Makoto right
Makoto got like three runes in a row so today is like at least my fortunes are
changing somewhat no one is the top of the net worth double damage in the
inventory so I decided to make a move if they find the opportunity
You know we were seeing a lot of...
Hold on, Skofios, he has actually been found out by 9-class, no one though, misses with
the 8th Remnant but 9-class does have the impetus shot, bringing down Skob.
The impetus does get him, he's going for the agonist by the way.
Speaking of control, they weren't really lacking way too much of it on Paravision, you do have
Roar, one of the best AKB piercing abilities anyway, right?
It is an ultimate, so Enchantress, queuing up the aggs.
By the way, SSS is going for Helm of Dominator.
We are seeing a lot of Beastmasters on Midlane, just rushing the aggs, right?
Rorto.
From the Beastmaster, answer Frank to Carlos as in front of him, making sure he's facing the right direction to take all this damage.
And it is simply too much. Frank gets overwhelmed, the bless will get credit for the kill.
Speaking of the direction that he will be facing through the game, they also have the Void Spirit, right?
When they picked it, not only is it a decent matchup versus QOP, but you have something now versus the Bristle as well, right?
It's a natural Vessel Builder, plus you can use the Remnant to make him face you.
Okay, it's very nice.
Well, if you play fast enough, right, you get Remnant, and then Chantris has the Wilding Ripper.
You don't need to import as well.
Let's stop playing Frank.
He's going to just start running into this Beastmaster, Doc Margo will show up as well.
No one is stopped but I'm not sure if he can do this, not without the support at least.
They are bringing in this Phoenix and 9 pluses there as well.
They're contemplating this but Frank is going to scout them out on the back lines.
Doc Margo will he jump in to help this Bristleback or they just let him get out of here.
Doc Margo will leave.
Frank, he's in danger because the Tannick has come through the Twinkie looking to try
and bring down this Bristleback.
This is taking a while, but eventually no one able to clean him up.
Zatanic looking towards getting back on Scofield.
No level 6 available just yet on the Knicks, but the Jukes are still good from Scofield.
C.Rick, you will survive for now at least, they're not finding him.
They've had some good words.
This one, unfortunately, that he just planted will be scouted by the Sentry, mid lane, L.M.E.
Show.
This is like a couple of things that you can do with Venom and one of the reasons why he's
picked right now is, everyone is just maxing out plateboards, you have to build in Poison
Stinks so you can decide, okay, do I hit the tower with the ward or do I go into the jungle
and farm up?
This time around, it decides to pressure the map instead.
Looks like they will be able to slowly pepper away at this tower until it's in at least
a 9 range.
Top tier 1 was taken by a triple-lifton's monster, more space on the map available for
parry vision.
He's got Hamam-Dama already, so very simple maneuver for him to take down one tower and
the general playstyle, Dark Mago, okay, that's fine.
What's the blink away?
Phoenix is gonna dive forward and look at this, Ninetoss is waiting on the high ground, throwing
in attacks, they had a pincet in the river and Dark Mago is just gone.
Yeah, that's a 10 minute mark.
Once again, they always play and make these aggressive moves around the runes.
Titanic also gonna make it make an aggressive move on El Mischo
Echo slash all that's required because kids is a pretty stupid hero
That's a pretty good description fear assessment
Which is really struggling his bottom of the net worth of all the cores in the game
So searching for
Even just getting the javelin would be nice at this point, but it's gonna be kept away from that for quite some time
Mid lane?
Time mid lane.
Or Margot gets gone upon.
There's the roar directly onto the Queen of Pain in.
Woo!
My goodness.
I thought it was supposed to be South American Rejects playing the fast aggressive game.
Well, I think this Beastmaster is making a massive difference and Void Spirit as well
having a really good game changes things but Beastmaster with a helm of dawn is just controlling
the map completely and it's not only his beast, you also have Enchantress with three
3 points in Enchant, 3 points in Impetus, just a full aggro moment.
That's gonna get gone upon at the 8th Remnant, they get a shackle shot onto no one before
further spells could fly in.
It's like you'll live from this.
They need to get levels on their supports.
This is like, one of the worst things when you're playing a Nyx is, maybe this is actually,
never mind, he's fine.
One of the worst things that you're playing with these bounty hunters, Nyx assassins is
Because when you're playing into a clumped up snow bully lineup, because there's no one to pick off with the vendetta, there's no one to search for on the map, they're kind of giving themselves to you, but you can't go in because they're all together.
You don't have like some San King, some Earthshaker or something like this.
You need some damage in the mid lane, but it's pretty fine.
Venomite Beach is done.
Venom, 9-close A is gonna chase him down, gonna try to get rid of this vision and try to get himself out of here.
Now 9-close is the one that gets turned upon.
The allies have streamed in, El Mishul gets kept alive.
What kept him alive is the fact that he killed the ward on the high ground,
so Enchantress didn't have vision for impetus from distance.
He needed to get feel close around the cliff.
The one also almost came close to dying, but did have an Indus Root, Skowfield.
Beautiful impale on the 2.
The Isla grappling claw, Satanic wants to chase down his plurie and the lack of experience means that there is no way out, there is no Vim Deter.
Its assassin is just dead.
The blood from Kaz, I feel like...
Okay, the hero is cool and I'm happy that we're getting cool heroes in the game, right?
But the blood from Kaz is...
It's a bit much.
A bit, bro.
Yesterday we saw it, there was a 1,300 damage dot on a hero.
A bit is an understatement.
Dark Margo, needs to get out of here.
He doesn't blink right now, he might actually just end up dead, no one came through with the astral step and doesn't have another one, so this could save him, but unfortunately, Kez is coming from the other direction, can he find him in time? No.
Raptor Dance is too late, at least is able to kill off Dark Margo's Korea.
They're just pressuring the map very nicely, but they've got Beastmaster, by the way, 2.8k gold right now, is about to complete a full helm of the Overlord 13 minutes in.
This is, yeah, a pretty good timing for him. 7k net worth, 13 minutes in.
Kind of interesting what ParryVision is able to accomplish when they're playing as 5, instead of 9-clothed Mod being able to participate in the game.
because he is doing a lot of work. These movements from the entranches have put quite a lot of pressure onto the side of the South American rejects.
I mean, absolutely. He's actually pressuring the enemy team this time around.
Very fast. How much of the overload? Jeez.
Minute 57 seconds faster than the previous one. My god.
It's crazy fast. And also, this new Beast Master, like, when you get the overload, you can still go back for the agonist.
We'll see what the itemization will be from him.
Will he fully embrace the offline life of the Beastmaster with like some blink and stuff, or?
Or utility or just head back straight into the agonist because both builds are still viable
By the way, they're gonna head into the Roshan pit
They don't care if they're gonna do it with the ag or with this harm of the overload
Not the fastest in the world, but it doesn't seem like the South American rejects have a read on this
so it should go down in favor of Harry.
It's always the case with the beasts, right?
If you go for it, you overlord straight into the pit.
If you get the agonist straight into the pit,
like, absolutely nothing changes.
One way or another, you're getting yourself a free ace.
Aegis for Satanic.
800 gold away from having the full desolator for him.
This cares...
The difference between the Kers and this Windranger.
She's still in search of her first item, let alone her second one.
And the saddest part is, that's her farming item, right?
Like, she still isn't even online to farm, yet alone fight properly.
I mean, they can't put you, but by the time she gets it, they might not have a tier 2 tower on the top lane.
Eastmaster is here with Satanic.
They should be able to get this.
Nobody wants to try and defend on the side of S.A.R.?
Nobody. Nobody care.
There is one utility item that might help them, and that's what Bristleback is doing.
He just completed the Trinsim guy.
He ganked, he dodged Margo, there's some danger here, can he blink away in time?
No way he can, he's gonna burn out, one second out.
Even though he did get the blink eventually, there was too much tick damage emerging from the Colossus.
He was close, almost managed to get away, but no luck.
At least you know with this blink, what he prevented is another Vessel Charge on White Sprint.
I mean, it's quite of a big deal, you know, not having a vessel charge in Void Spirit,
it might mean killing the Bristleback or not, because of it.
I said Bristle has now come through with a Crimson God,
always good against an enemy team that has multiple summon units,
although we'll see if it's going to be good for keeping him alive here as a Tannick.
But up there, it's been aggressively onto him, but Schofield was right there and Vitz shows up with the focus fire.
They burst through the first life of the Kiz, do they have the stuns to bring him down a second time?
down a second time. He doesn't have a PKP here. We'll pop the Ravens veil, doesn't get revealed.
We did what the dust, but managed to get away safely. They had this nice cliff ward where
Enchanters was fighting Venom from long ago. It's a very defensive ward for Dire to have this early
on, but it's the reason why it was so simple to set up on the next assassin. It is a 9k gold lead,
16 minutes 40 seconds in
Well, they really are up against it on the side of SIR
Windranger now does have maelstrom
She can't start farming to catch up to where this case is at, but I'm also really worried about Dark Mago
This Queen of Pain
Yep, the impact that he had on the Ember Spirit related to the impact that he's having here it's a night and day difference
It's a hard game for him. He only just completed Kaia and it's like a starting item
It's nothing special, like a little bit of bonus magic damage here, but he needs way more.
The real power spike will be the Agonym Scepter, but you need to find space for it, and you need to find a way to slow down the tempo from the other side.
The tempo that is basically made by the Beastmaster.
Did this is a decent game for him to go A on this again?
On QWOP? If he goes A on this right now, they've lost.
Not now!
Eventually it's a good day on this game, yes it is, but at least in Aghanim's.
Maybe Aghanim's Kai'Sanj and then you can think about the day on this, because BKB isn't that amazing, you are playing versus Beast.
For the Beastmaster he thinks BKB is pretty legit, Almeysho, I doubt he has any fond thoughts about the KS hero at this moment.
You know what, there's this general idea right now that Venomancer is a really good hero,
I'm seeing just a lot of that in most of our games.
It's fine, you just need some experience from it.
Was Mile Kavord actually on a Venom?
The Mile Kavord, you remember the 0-20 winning game?
Oh yes, yes, yes, yes.
It was a Venom answer.
Wasn't it?
I have a feeling like Venom answer has always been this.
I mean, this hero has always had a lot of that whoever played him because he was very
sacrificial. You jump in, you use your ulti when it was an AOE ult back in the day. Right now it's
played a bit differently. I feel like one thing that I'm seeing is a lot of farm on Venom,
but at the same time a lot of deaths in every game. Sure, you use your little
plague wars to rack up some items, but it's still too simple to take them down. It's too slow
and too squishy. You are correct, it was indeed on Venom monster. Yeah, there you go. What happened?
So people are actually just trying to recreate the Malakov word.
You want to become a legend.
Alright, now one of the bright spots about them being able to kill that Aegis earlier
does discourage Paragazian from just rushing up the high ground.
They'll probably have to wait for the next Aegis,
gives them some time to try and finish this Aegonim's Fukino pain.
She's halfway there. They can keep her alive until they get there.
I'm not really sure that they can, because there's a lot of different ways to disable her right now.
One of them being the axe on edge, which Veno will experience first
It's fine. We're just going for the ward. It's okay. He's core of the way there. Yep, zero five. That's actually he can't get the
Reward he's disqualified. He has
15 talents picked up additional raptor down strike for this kids
Gonna go for the agonist after immediately right now not that far away just needs
One more component.
That's unfortunate. Muggle's point booster is gone.
I love to see a carry that has a pretty straight-out path.
It's like a kid that in elementary school already knows what university is going to, you know.
Satanic is good.
That's already queued up. The Aghanim's, the BKB and the MKB.
And the thing is, like you don't have to stray from it.
Torment turn.
Skofield? Tom? Is it easy? Not anymore, because Vincent Skofield in here was Skofield. Oh no. Oh no. This is actually even worse.
You should have just let them have it. They had the vision, the sentry ward on the ground. They scouted the movement coming in. Blow them both up.
They're still here. They're still smoked. They still want to take something.
Okay, maybe they think that since roar is down and supernova is down, we can't fight. Frank rushing forward, but unfortunately, immediately, no one is there.
No one is there, amplified damage rune, looking towards the bristle.
Dark Mawzor as well, bursted through by 9th class and no one, and Frank all of a sudden
surrounded by every hero on the side of Paravision.
Perfect.
Sunray burns him down.
South American rejects.
I don't know about that play, Liz.
What was the plan there, bro?
I mean, look, look, even the Lotus feed in the end towards the Enchanters to keep her alive
so no one dies.
The play and the plan was actually, you have to give it to them.
It was good.
like the plan to hope the tormentor gets them very low and then you can finish one hero
off with the Vendetta, maybe go for another one, unfortunately they go on a Phoenix and
you can't even kill him off because he just presses R, that's it.
He was really low, he was really close but close is not enough.
Yeah, using multiple cores.
and Dark Mago are equivalent in the network, but both of them are closer to the Phoenix
than they are to the Chasm of the Beast Master. There's another sort of unfortunate thing,
by the way, that happened to the next of the Tormentor. If you look at the Centuries,
like the Dire Century is right outside of the range of the Radiant One. So the Nix Assassin felt
safe because there are no Centuries. You have your own there. Oh well. This is what it is.
These things happen, these kind of games go down.
Frank, looking towards having a BKB.
If he had a BKB, not to say that they'd win that fight, but
might have been able to just maintain his presence there a little while longer.
The CT's allowed to get it though, because now we have smokes up from Paravision.
They want to play aggressively.
Roshan will be potentially returning in 10.
So it'd be nice to get a quick pick off, go into the Roshan pit,
wait for your cooldown to return, and then immediately go up into the high ground.
in this top-network beast master is now carrying a gem as well so Nick's assassin will not find any ways of
that. Malgo, it's ours bro.
So it's onto the Lord.
He's literally blinked into the beast master, Roar immediately on his head top, into Kallus,
gets credit for that kill, 20 to 5 is the scoreline right now.
Rush is up by the way, definitely an option now for Paravision, especially now that Queen
of pain is dead. But I feel like they're getting so much out of the map that they, whenever
they want to, they can go into the pit. They're not losing anything by not going there immediately.
They're still maybe waiting for the BKB to be done on Kez, before the next push of course.
But okay, straight, first and foremost, get that Aegis.
You know, one of the things that Panelot talked about was that once these items are
to stream in from ParaVision becomes extremely difficult for South American Rejects to recover.
So what is the plan? How do you play the map? You don't necessarily have the best team for just
ratting all the way through. So how do you delay the game long enough to actually allow
the Windranger and Queen to play the game? This already, to me, feels like a high-grade
offense kind of a game. I don't really see the way for them to get any big pick offs. Like,
there's one combo, mix Windranger and QWAP. Like, if these three heroes can play the map together,
Maybe they can find a pick off on someone because you do have the necessary lockdown and the damage between these three
But teamfights currently
impossible
Unfortunately, they're not gonna give them the chance to be picked off because like you said playing as a ball on the side of paravision
It's absurdly farmed cares absurdly farmed Beastmaster leading the charge
I was going to be going high ground here, no one.
I'm just going to go high ground. He's scouting to kill somebody off before they make their aggressive move.
They're going to find their next assassins. Go field.
Endanger. Echo slash will be there. Zatanic brings them down. No problem.
If you get a shackle shot, go back out onto Zatanic. Zatanic will end up dying.
Focus fire from Bits making the difference there.
At the same time, triple S wants to find somebody with the roar.
Expands it directly onto the peanut pane.
And on life number two, Zatanic tries to wrap the doors when he goes shackle shot in.
At the same time, Doc Margo does die, three for nothing, and that's a dieback on the
Nick's assassin.
That's one way to do it, Satanic didn't have a BKB, but he didn't need it, because he
did have an A.J.S.
Man, I feel like this draw from South American A.J.S. at some point required him to play with
a very specific formation in mind, a very specific move on the map.
He didn't know what discipline it feels like, but just didn't go their way again.
Yeah, honestly, I think this is a very simple game to analyze.
It was more or less an awfully difference in what the heroes actually do.
On one side you have a Bristol, he needs space, he takes space, and then, of course, when
he becomes tanky enough, he can present himself on the map.
On the other, Beastmaster, from the get-go, just onslaught.
One tower after another, one objective after another, and top-network as well.
Parry vision played like soldiers, let us see what our soldiers on the panel have to say
as we send it to General Shiva and the soldiers thank you very much guys this was stable strong
smooth this is the pervision that we're more used to seeing especially if you compare it to game one
it was night and day this was just this was just effortless almost yeah i mean this is enjoyable
dota to watch right i think you know the beast master to the offline going to the helm of the
the overlord so you don't always see on Beast Masters. If you were to somewhere in this
game, it is the classic Beast Master game.
Then I'd say the Beast Master experience.
Exactly. You take the tower. Like the fact that you take top, mid, bottom, tier two, I
think it was around 15, 16 minutes, he's even pressuring that with the Enchantress.
It might have been earlier in our 14, but still, the point is, at that point you look
at the game and go, well, okay, yeah, it's just Beast Masters show. They're playing through
him. They're doing everything he needs. You got Enchantress as a support, not a lone druid.
for no one you can see the small and fresh out the game because you have moves to make
90 day difference game on the 2. It's kind of interesting though because the beast was sick and
picked right and their answer to that was picking nix and bristleback which nix doesn't really do
anything actually beast kind of enjoys a game against nix because it's like a minus one hero he
has to worry about and then the bb they did put the bb on the lane against the beast but it feels
like they didn't achieve anything maybe you're the misreader right like with the next assassin like
with Beast Masters, against Ags, you can just like carry patients and try to set them up, it's a bit slower.
Also maybe they thought it's a mid-beast map.
Or at least they thought it'd be like a helm of dom integrans build.
Maybe this didn't respect the idea of the full overlords, like the full map play.
Which I'm a big fan of, I feel like this is the right way to play the Beast right now on the offlane.
And they did ban out midlaners at the end, so that they kind of expected to not be a mid-beast, with that in mind.
MVP going to the Phoenix for Ducales played it very well.
Do we agree? Because we have the power to change it if you want, we would just be hyping up as a triple S.
I mean we can do Beastmaster, we could also do nine class for Pick and Chantress.
And the fact that he stacked a lot for this guy.
Yeah, that is true.
Between those, I would definitely go between the Beast or nine class.
Let's see where we go.
Yeah, especially after playing lone druid support. Yeah, this was more crisp his recovery
Yes redemption. Yeah, I don't worry guys. I got this. I know exactly how to make up for it
You get stacks you get the creep on the rune get help
Yeah
as a disguise. It was the kind of fair vision that we hoped to see, but I did get told that
the start of this game should have gone towards South America reject. This is their strategy.
They go early, this was their early game, they were going to have a power spike early and
it didn't all happen. What went wrong? Like where was that South America rejects?
Because of the speed at which Beastmaster got online with Helmut Dom, the map got played
through him so quickly, that it wasn't like this come shove wave, take twin gate with
win ranger, get to play with brazil, go progressive, fight on a kind of pot waver, none of the
cool things that could have happened happened because so early on it was like, defend the
tower, defend this tower, we're getting run at, and then the map's already on fire, right?
So I think it's just Beastmaster Diff created so much for pacing that they anticipated,
and yeah, it's a very very simple game to analyse.
I'd love to talk about the lane series though.
They do tend to pick Scofield-Nix quite a lot.
This hero is known to be a bad laner.
He does try to play around it by pulling waves, picking a stronger core for himself as a partner
on lane, but this time did not get away with it.
And I feel like the Venomancer as well, against the Enchantress, he kind of struggles, there's
just this creep in front of you, there's not much you can do as a Venomancer.
So they kind of end up losing both side lanes.
another mid matchup queen versus void it's just 50 50 it's a scale matchup void can win this lane
queen can win this lane it just it was even so yeah i'd want to say to the game uh we
are you did say in the green room like oh i still think the queen of pain can do this
why couldn't he but what happened there it just ended way too fast queen needs her timings like
usually goes one normal item and then agonims. The agonist would come around 20, 22 minutes
by the time they were already in the base. It's just not enough time. I do believe Queen could
have still played if they have better lanes on the sidelines. I think he's feeling a bit let down
by what happened. Maybe they should communicate right now and try to fix and just have better lanes
because they do bring aggression very nicely as long as it doesn't go this path.
I mean this graphic shows how good Queen of Pain is in the patch because you're a 271 Queen of Pain
and you're already like, what, 2000 gold behind the Voidsburg who's 2013?
And that's testament to how quick you can farm with the bottle, with the Kaia, and the Solring,
and damage. Very similar to damage in the 271 versus 2013.
Yeah, I think it is how scary the hero can, but like we already mentioned,
the Venom suddenly played up against an edge, the Beastmaster taking the helm of dawn and breaking
the map, like all these things shut down the lanes, that we were already scared for this lineup if
it doesn't get to 25 minutes in the game and it's got like an 8k gold lead commanding ages,
like they are going to fall off, it kind of happened at like minute, what five, six, it was
way too fast. So we want for game number three, we want at least for South American Rejects to
draft better lanes, it sounds very simple but just have an entry to the game because they didn't
I feel like it's something they should talk about for sure.
They didn't have this problem in game 1, but they obviously are doing game 2.
So it's something that comes up in the middle of the series that you have to patch it up
as fast as possible so you don't have a repeat in game 3.
Maybe it comes from the Venom answer overall first pick.
I think it's both the Venom and the Nyx.
They opened with their support.
If you want the Venom then maybe you have to consider the Nyx pick being later to protect
weaknesses but taking both can be exploited by stronger drafters and this time around because
P-Vision weren't trying to do some like community challenge they actually did draft it correctly
and punch like that. Well let's see what's gonna happen because game three deciding game coming
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Hey everybody, might be asking yourselves, what are the best heroes in the patch and
which one's got nerf the most?
Well, pick ban rates, what do they know?
We went straight to the players and asked them who we thought got the biggest buffs
or the lowest nerfs.
I think the most buff for now, I wouldn't say buffs, but like a lot of players are playing
LoN today now.
And it's like getting first stage ban.
We have an LD player ourselves and it's kind of fun playing with this hero, but also not
fun playing against it.
Loan Druid?
Loan Druid, yes.
We've heard that from many people.
Why is Loan Druid so good?
I think he's got a good laning stage and good scaling into the game and it's hard to play
against him.
I think probably Alchemist got the biggest buff.
It's pretty much 100% contest rate this tournament so far and I think everyone kind of wants
to play this hero.
Tiny, Tiny.
Tiny, is the most buffed?
Yes.
What about Alchemist?
What about Lone Druid? Tiny?
No, Dendur is not. It's probably Tine.
Alright, alright.
The hero that I've gotten nerfed the hardest might be like Timbersaw.
I think like the Timbersaw was like very high prioritized last patch
and then now it's like kind of a ditch hero.
It's like, I think it's like the second lowest win rate Dota hero right now.
Nerfed for Shredra's Vakiro?
It's just Kiro.
The hero is dead now.
Okay.
Okay, for me, first thing on my mind is Shadowfiend.
Shadowfiend?
Yeah.
Yeah, I played against this hero like two or three times. It's a pretty new art.
For me, I would say like, I mean, I love this hero, like Tinker.
Oh, I don't think anyone else loves this hero. You're a sick freak, bro.
Yeah, I love this hero, but I think it's like too, too nerfed.
It has to be like some new boat that people don't know yet, but I feel like this hero's in the trash bin.
I think some people are very happy Tinker is nerfed.
If anyone would play Tinker though, maybe it would be no one.
He played a little bit before the patch came out, but if it is that nerfed, you'll probably
not see it.
We are going to see a game number three between Paravision and South American Rejects deciding
a game because the winner will go to the playoffs, loser, not out, will play again for their
final chance tomorrow.
But a lot of pressure on this one and we've seen two very different games so far and I'm
I'm a little worried for South American rejects
because the game that they won felt like
Paravision also didn't just, like they lost
rather than South American reject winning from that
because the draft was just a little question marky.
What's gonna happen game three?
I think we've learned at least from both these teams
that if they get grip on the early game,
they can just break the game.
Cause let's say we ignore the drafts of P-Vision game one,
South American rejects played a very clean game.
They knew exactly what they had to do with the heroes.
win lane they win game right game to p-vision they crush lane they win the
game right so I that's probably a thing to look at going to game three is
within the draft who's gonna kind of show their hand first are we gonna see
wicks you know with a loft pick win ranger maybe not pop off as much is
another case game from satanic where he can just kind of control his lane that
way but I really feel like the draft and just try to hold more cars to a chest
could be a good way to ensure I have a team has a chance of success so what
other hero is Dark Mago gonna pull out this time. He's played all heroes right now in
nine different ten different games. Okay, but that's the thing, right? Your referencing the one
toilet they're currently playing. They're also playing the other toilet, right? The qualifiers.
Well, I did want to mention this tournament specifically, because he's been repeating
the same heroes in this tournament, although in the qualifier that he's playing after the series ends,
they do play different heroes. Exactly, so I feel like there's room for it, but especially when you
you at like the tier one land you want to play your best hence why he isn't moving away from other heroes
But I think yeah mainly for me. I think we're probably gonna agree on this and the stats also reflect it
So it's not the best point to make but I want to see like the ember the kunkka better to that. I think I'm at most
enjoyment from seeing from dark mark logo. I think the other heroes they can be a bit more volatile even the stats are reflecting that
It's getting banned quite often the kunkka
I'm not sure if he's gonna get a chance to play it, but the Ember does get through he they battered themselves last game
Yeah, they did yeah, but may go after a great performance in game on the sides
Does not want this here anymore, and he doesn't want the enemy to have it either
Not sure it gets to a point where if he can go as a number player
These are three heroes. I need bad to play it
They could potentially create that draw for him right you've got a couple in the first phase
You bang one in the net face, then you pick up the end of the blind knowing that you don't care about any other matchup
Right that could be a way for them to get him on the hero
But he needs that level of confidence to be able to do it. You gotta pick your brain on something
Radiant has won the all the games here in this series so far, and I know that the winning
percentage this morning was
58% radiant wins 42 for dire. Why is that difference so big? That's interesting
Um, the light versus the dark.
Oh, I see.
The good always wins.
Okay.
Not necessarily.
It's more like you see where your hero's going, whereas on Diary, it's like, look at the
percentage.
It's still very heavily skewed towards Radiant.
And so they changed the Tormentor, the rotation, starting on the Radiant side of the map.
They changed Roshan's die for a die to be buffed, the die rose, the night time rose rather is the bottom half of the map
One more serious node Roshan is top now from minute 5 to minute 15
Actually, up until minute 15, it is top
So if you get a good advantage
Yes, we haven't seen teams do Roshan that often
So we had to actually give an answer to that question Giva, because it's like
With the Roth move into the bottom side of the map, you would argue that Dyer should have a higher win rate because it's next to that outpost.
So when you go for the 15-20 minute Roshan, your outpost control, you should always be ready for it.
That hasn't really affected the win rates, so then that will then reflect more on the offlane.
Is it easier to play the radiant offlane where you can manipulate the camps better?
Is the radiant safe lane easier to pull because it's a bit more further away?
Like I think it's gonna be one of these small things. I can't again. I can't give you an answer based on my we don't have full information
Or mentor in that equation somewhere. I don't think so. It is also a bottom side and then you lose any of this low ground now
Yeah, it is next to the reading to your one if it's alive. Yeah, but I feel like my answer at least would be
It's not Russian or to mental base
There has to be something else and I haven't really thought about it too too deeply to give you a good answer
My answer would be I think we don't have the full information
because usually first pick or second pick matters quite a lot and teams that do not get the first pick tend to usually go for radiant.
That's also true.
You know what, can we ask that question again like day two playoff?
Yeah, I will ask again in a couple of days.
I don't want to lie to you, that's the thing. I don't want to give a fake answer.
No, that's fair. I appreciate that.
We in the meantime, we are heavily into the draft already
We had first big coming out for South American rejects and they went for the enchantress
They in the second phase once again prioritized banning a couple heroes from no one
leaving the invoker on the ember in the pool this time around banning our puck and void and
We have the keeper of the light in the Phoenix picked up on the side of para vision
Should be the ember coming out right right now. You see a Phoenix. You see a call
free game, you have an enchantress already securing, basically rune fights, aggressive
plays, XP runes, maybe Dark Magus hero. I feel like if there was a chance to pick the
Ember, it could be now. I'm not sure if he's scared of any certain heroes, but could probably
set them up for a great game this time. On parry, we do have 9 class coddle. I feel like
it's not necessarily locked, but it does play it most of the time. No one could play it,
some flicks and the classic phoenix. It's solid overall.
It's like you have a phoenix that's here laying, your kothol is going to potentially
buffing up a tidehunter, underlord-type offlane that likes to spam. It also opens up for satanic
to find a carry that can utilize it as well. He's been playing Terrablades, PLs. Even Kester
some degree probably would enjoy getting shaka on his toolkit.
And who saw this coming? Nobody.
Coldfield mix for the third time in a row. Yeah, it is a
Different next game to the last one at least very different
You see Kotal Phoenix and very interface is elite against those two heroes not against Phoenix on the lane, but again, it's cool
And then you'll regret it a bit
And they go for the Ember good. Happy to see I think Dark Mago is comfortable right now
They also have 18 picks, so if P-Vision hard counters it in lane, they can try and find ways to deal with it through, let's say, an off-lane pick that can maybe win his lane or take through to mid.
We've seen a lot of off-laners happy to run towards the mid lane in kind of the 8-10 minute mark of games, going for a quick gank.
That was generally the slaughtered out, which is now banned, and the reason why they did that is because there's a river.
I think it's very fast in the river, it's super fast in the lane, and pangol as well,
because you always get 6 and you have to use the roll.
Third game in a row as well for this one, with the Kez coming out for Sutan, if the
Kez used the coddle enough, are you happy with that?
I think it's quite nice, I'm not going to be going, wow this is the best ever combination,
but I think it's heroes that have medium to low cooldowns, who never complain about getting
been refreshed to some degree, so yeah, I guess we'll have to shine in a couple of these fights to add on to that.
It's a carry hero and called a general place with the mid hero because carries are just busy farming, as always.
It does come into effect later into the game.
But yeah, when you pick a couple, you definitely want something like an ember mid that can make use of the chakra quite fast.
Now it's like, does P-Vision respect the nicks a lot, right?
Because seeing at the end of the edge, you might go, oh, maybe they go for like a stone for it.
But you know of course the value of Carapace could be a bit annoying it's a deny
It does deny a lot of pics this makes assessing
This is a great partner for chakra that is true. Yep with the like mage player or diffusal maybe both and agnans
You are very much enjoying having multiple sources getting thrown around
Buffed up by the chakra and they're going for the double flicks
Pango on the mid pango on the other thing cut along the mid column before where's it gonna be nobody knows
They do have the last pick, so they can decide.
That is true, but at this point you just, you know the identity of that draft, right?
So even though there's a lot of flex, you know it's really built on like one item and go find some kills,
go kind of like run around the map and kind of remind your opponent that you are ready to pump out some damage.
Also, Pango is extremely good against these two supports that South American Rejects have.
If he does get away with the lane being mid auto-flame, we will find out soon.
I think he has the potential to take over this entire game actually.
The off-layer needs to be someone you want to rally around for South American rejects.
You need to be able to walk up and like bait out the roll, like contest Kez's positioning.
At the moment it's like it's Ember by himself and that is a little worrisome.
It's okay, carry Necrophos which has been playing it.
They do have mostly physical damage on Parry's side,
Besides the Phoenix of course.
100% win rate on wits, let's go.
They do have the opportunity now on parry, which they're probably thinking about to put the Kotl mid,
because it's good against the Necro, but at the same time it's pretty bad against the nicks in the game and the Ember on the lane.
True.
Could it be something they think? Could be.
This will be the first time for parry vision, they picked up the Pangolier, so that'll be fun to see either way.
way. We're in our final band stage and it looks like we are on both sides getting
some offlaners removed from the pool with the doom being one of them in the
tide on the other side. It probably is most likely that Pango is going mid.
Yeah, it looks judging by their bands they are probably planning on putting
Pango mid than Kalu 4. She's not that bad necessarily.
but then we still need a hero for triple s on the side of pervision
i am intrigued to flink is necroforce on 18 the highest value pick they had because like when i
talked about like rallying around a hero like titan of course is that type of hero like you can
still band doom and i don't think pvc's you know they're gonna pick necroforce like if you pick
tight bandoom somewhat you can kind of tie the two together but the necrophos is
pretty good against the kids I feel like this time they did answer the case in a
good way what I meant sorry was was pvision gonna ban out in the two in the
two final bands it could be because which did play it in the tournament so
there is evidence the radar but yeah his build will be like boots travel
radiance. Very classic carry. He might think about consecutive wraps depending on the
stage of the game. Is he pushing forward into the game or is he just trying to scale a bit
more? The tools that we expected to see from South American Rejects, the lanes look a lot
better. They do take out too incredible. A lot of off-lane vision. Yeah. They're being
taken out right now. So what's left in the pool in that similar vein? Because it seems
Like both teams are looking for almost the same architect without seeing the heroes. It's so hard to tell. Do you have the same problem?
Yeah, that's why I've got iPad. It's all you know this. Okay, so center comes to mind, but that's it's been
Yeah
Unlikely we saw acts earlier this week didn't look amazing
They do play it used to be good against kids
They do pay dawnbreaker and that could be a good option the classic with Nick's assassin to find the map and the Necro
That's a bit of the fights. I like that. That could be a great option
Darkseer think of our dogs here. Oh, we forgot to mention that Frank does play enigma as well
Yeah, it could have been a great enigma game. Oh, it's going for the dark
Is it not a great dark seer game?
It had some some very classic partnerships, right? The next lesson for Lane you have the amber for the iron shell
Both the nicks and the ember for I feel so good, right? It feels good
But dogs here generally been just like a whatever here very very what I have here
Usually it would shine with a partner that could use a vacuum very well, like an enigma,
but which is not possible in this case, or as when, again, not possible.
I mean, it helps that P-Vision don't have amazing teamfight, right?
Because Darkseer, he's going to be able to utilize search really nicely.
When Kezlok's onto a hero, you search them back.
When Pygmy uses the roll, you search them back.
Once they've kind of shown their position, then you can choose to fight with the ember kind of jumping back over the Darkseer.
So I can see South American rejects line-up being really explosive, but there is a little need of economy, right?
You want the Radiance on the Necker, you want to have one aura on the Darkseer, the Ember probably to get his Mage there.
It does blow good news.
Largo!
That's fine, that's fine.
Largo is like the dude you pick to stop Darkseer from having fun, right?
Because you look off the Iron Show, you look off the Surge, but they are playing opposite lanes now, right?
So it's not as if you're picking like the support lago just to to ruin his laning phase
Quite good against the Embers will kind of like removes flame guard if you wish is to change or not that effective now that it's only two units
Chances are you're gonna just dispel make it half effective by displaying only one guy a damage over time
Think about this right for South American rejects a lot of the damage radiance. It's embers lighting you
It's the die-in-shell now for p-vision you got keep her alight with illuminate healing everyone
you got lagers all providing the hills there's so much healing so much it
could be an argue that moves off american rejects if they don't hit their
kind of laning phase advantage potentially into breaking them up
they might just keep running into here is going wait we can't kill anyone they're
running away with good moves because of the acts of lager the hills their sundry
as well there's no potential for burst damage anyways like how do you buy
burst damage on South American rejects it's like that we buy daegon and then
You do the old fashioned Dagon 5, boom, side-
Yeah, Nekro, Nekro, they go on the Fleeble Refresher, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah.
But...
Please don't do that, so I'm not going to reach it.
Largo was amongst the nerf feeds, so why...
He still heals.
He still, yeah, okay, I know he still heals,
but his timing is a lot later,
because you kind of need to be level 12, you need that axe.
You're just a little weaker than what you were before.
Why will it work here?
Like we said already with the heals,
I think that's important.
The move speed also is important.
The Dispels are pretty good too. For the Necro that we didn't talk about, the Gold Shroud,
it's gonna have a big problem, there's no need for an old fighter on parry now.
Can you sing faster songs if Kotl, Shekram, Manchukju, does that little bar just...
It's a great question. I don't think so.
I have not tested that out. I'm gonna do it to the first chance, I get a piece, you know.
It's gonna be on my mind bugging.
We might be able to see it in the game. Largo is a very mana intense hero, so having a Kotl will be helpful regardless.
to say this parry lineup though, it does set up a South American rejects for their game plan,
the aggression. They want to go off the lanes and just go take every objective, just relentless
aggression. Because of this logo, they had the chance to do it though. Yeah. Well, there's a bit
of a time. That's it. I feel like there's a big time around South American rejects though. Potentially,
they will win this race against the paravision clock. Let's find out who punches their ticket to
to the playoffs, we're heading over to Snare, and let's see.
A spot in the playoffs, Beckins, South American Rejects,
versus ParryVision, and you were hearing what they were saying
on the panel, Big Liz.
One thing I see is both teams have so much sustain.
One side is Necro, Enchantress, Daxio,
who can buy some of the sustain items.
Other side, Cardo, Lago, Phoenix.
But the one thing I'm not seeing on the side
of South American Rejects, like the panel said,
where is the damage?
Oh, the damage is definitely there.
I don't know if you guys are.
Like the first damage.
I don't know if you guys are, I might be seeing things, but Ember Spirit, level 4 Flameguard
with level 4 Iron Shells, jumping on someone like Kaz or Karel or Phoenix, I feel like
that's pretty much enough in the early stages of the game before those items come.
That kind of damage doesn't concern me for them, Necro as well, can dish out quite a
lot early on.
What does concern me though is building damage on Radiant.
You have a Necro as a core, you don't have like a Beastmaster or something similar to
take down an objective.
You have a Darkseer who's also doubling down on magic damage, right?
Like it's Iron Charles and I love that we are selecting the Darkseer because he has
a Helm of Dominator queued up.
So that's the way that he wants to at least alleviate the problem that they've got when
it comes to just pressuring the map and taking, like, taking fights with Darkseer and Nyx
Assassin and Ember.
I feel like it's pretty simple for them, but taking towers after is probably not that great.
Look at Top, by the way. Phoenix and Kazz what they're doing. Just absolutely zoning Darksy, very nicely done to start off the lane.
He did manage to at least get the Iron Shadow on the initial creep, so getting something out of it, but you really want to prevent this Darksy from having a proper game.
Do you think that a lot of these mid-game team fights will take a while, right?
Hey everyone, just going to be trying to eke out as much damage, deal with the heals, the sustain.
I'm very intrigued to see what this Darkseid is going to build after the Helm of the Dominator.
Are we going to go back in the days and go for a Guardian Grease, does he want Blink Dagger, does he want a Crimson, what's the sort of plan?
There was a cool build around the helm of Dominator, actually not only the helm of Dominator, but the Overlord on Darkseer, which was quite popular in pubs for like a month, maybe two months last year.
That was the Dominator with Shiva's and Glypnir, like an earlier Glypnir.
Basically the idea was you use your creep, you use the Glypnir for a catch, vacuum, into the catch, into like some spell that the creep has with a couple of iron shells.
It was nice, like it could control the pace of the game. It's a completely different playstyle than your
Standard Darkseer with the illusions. I've been tabling, like I've been playing quite a lot of Darkseer on offline currently, actually.
I do like the classic horror build. The crimson's, the pipes, whatever is necessary for the game. The Lotus Orb here and there, of course.
On bottom we get to see this logo. Actually, they put pressure on to bits right now. Force the game into popping the ghost route.
but should be fine at the end of the day, but
he gets to want to get more out of this lane
while this logo, you know, is at his relative weak points
the pressure they're putting onto vits
I'd have to like, fairy an additional v-gen here
The Necro as the last link, like I have to wait and see like
what exactly is the plan with him
I do see the radiance queued up
but this doesn't strike me like the easiest game for him
Whenever you have a way to dispel, of course
it becomes a hit hard for Necro. Largo did get picked afterwards, so we'll see.
The thing is, the lick is a great spell. It's a great disc spell, but you can only use it on one target at a time.
There's a lot of things that you want to dispel this game. There's an iron shell, the surge, the flame guard,
the shroud from Necro. He has to be really careful with it.
Back towards mid lane, Darkmango has reprised his role on the Ember Spirit.
Of course, CNA is 3-1 at the tournament, doing very well.
Skorfield.
Man, Dukalus has been doing a really good job, Topped.
The Zoning's both Skorfield and the Darkseer.
They're not having the game that they expected to have with the same configuration.
It's the way they started the lane.
But you have to keep in mind that only now Darkseer has level 3,
and from level 3 he's actually able to perhaps pressure.
The mind goes on to go on Dukalus here, actually.
He's like, carrotless to interrupt Dukalus, followed up by the Impale.
This is a trade, alright?
The drone, Zatanic, will be able to bring down Frank, but...
Frank poured out before he died, he's not going to lose too much.
Oh, Echo Slash though from Satanic catches up to Schofield, turns it into a double kill.
Honestly, not really an easy lane for Darkseer, even with a good combination like Nix.
Nix, a weak laner, but Darkseer absolutely activates him.
All that you need is a bulky boy up front, you know, with an Anshel on his back, and Nix does exactly that.
However, versus Kez, I feel like it just isn't enough.
Like even early on in the games the dots are way too hard for the Darkseer to deal with and he can also slash through creeps very easily and very quickly
That's one of the big differences is now that he's playing that's the first game
We've seen this series where they're just playing quote-unquote regular lanes. Oh, that's a soul. They claim no one
Getting revenge for game one coming through with the solo kill on to Dark Mago for no one. That's a solara
You know, it's a lot of getting that kill alone on the mid lane
You know you're talking about some other just cause a little much from this logo with the catchy look
Is this one of those games where instead of just going let's say straight into bash off to the acts that no one comes back to the nullifier
Yeah, I don't think you need a nullifier that heavily in this kind of a game
considering the this ball on Largo is in seven seconds cooldown level four, so of course you doing you do need a lot of
levels to get there but eventually you will. Swashbuckle man, it's pango hero, deals a lot
of damage with that spell, level 3 box, swashball, no one. Does have level 6 available now as
well on the pangalio, we'll see if he decides to go anywhere. It deals way too much damage
right, it doesn't deal a little bit of damage, a little bit more than necessary, it deals
way too much. Swashbuckle, I don't know what they were thinking when they, we had maybe
one month without pango where the hero was bad now he's back in and it feels
like he's stronger than ever rotation down bottom at least in this kind of a
game pango versus macro is not great right like one of the reasons why they
picked the macro of course is pango usually the item that you want to buy
versus pango is ghost you have it built in on the macro first so all the
physical damage gets negated good play from southern American we get to resist
that rotation. They had an observer right next to the tier one tower so they did see
no one moving towards bottom. That's why they were prepared. And it's kind of scary
because there is a ward in their lane as well. So Pango knew exactly where they were at.
And Pango might actually come back to deal with El Misho because El Misho, good six
been found by triple S and nine claws. They are coming towards him right now, slowly but
surely taking down this Enchantress. Healing for all he's worth. El Misho's wasting so
much time. Triple S and nine claws have been chasing him but finally they do manage to
get that kill. There was a rotation on mid lane by the way as well, Ember was
getting gone on, rolling thunder got used as well but he got six as they were
going on him so this time around Dark Magle doesn't manage to stay alive.
That six he just picked up a burn as well, onto the phase boots for the game.
The moment they get like level six on Ember, which they do now, at least
level five on Darkseer which is a level three iron shell, I'd like to see them
playing together. Maybe around this minute 7 wisdom shrine too.
Because Pango is rotating, so is the Phoenix. I'd love to see Ember join this. Maybe even
another hero.
Ember has caught the memo. He realizes what's up, he's TPing top and they've got the MPL
out onto Satanic. He will activate the raptor dawns here. How much damage can you do? It's
not enough. Steering chains will catch him, hold him in place. If you end up losing Frank
but Satanic will be the trade in the other direction. Dark Margo is relatively low. Doesn't
We have a Remnant available, brought down by the Swashbuckle of no one.
Skowfield able to find an MPL but he still ends up dying to Tukalis.
Elnisho, now the last one left, no one killed him with the Swashbuckle for a double kill.
But Fitts makes his first rotation with the Reaper's side, able to clean up the Pangolier
and end the killing spree that no one was on.
Of course still a decent trade for Paravision, right?
Like they get some extra kills, they also force the rotation from the Necro,
But at least with the necro rotation it wasn't a full disaster for South American rejects.
On the bright side Ember respawns first, we might get to the mid lane faster.
For Paravision, the bright side of course was the fact that Largo just continues farming,
he's completely unbothered, he's in the zone in his little frog swamp, just chilling far enough.
He doesn't even have to worry about mana issues, of course, because he does have Keeper of the Light.
I love that Shiveru talked about his ulti with Chakra. I don't think it matters that much.
It's all about just having mana.
Vitz? This is a very dangerous place we have to be. He does have Bowshroud here, but there's no way he survives.
Listen, Hangalir even activates the Rolling Thunder.
We make sure that Vitz, the one who actually came out on top in the previous engagement, goes down.
No one isn't done just yet. Repeat what they'll me show. There's no access to the Untouchable just yet.
He isn't underneath the tier 2 tower though, got slowed down by the Enchant, Dark Mago might make his way over, Shield Crash does manage to find the kill, but Dark Mago can find the revenge here, earn a Shadows out onto this Pangolier, and Dark Mago gets him.
Hashtag worth for Dark Mago, even though, yeah, chance was nice, sure, but it secures the kill for the Ember.
That was not really a bait, but it did bait Pango into a bad position under the tier 2.
The unfortunate thing about that play though is before he died he did manage to buy out on the pango so the full diffuser blade is already available this early on 8 minutes and a half in or 9 now.
No plane, Kothil is 6 as well.
Looking towards Amnisho, Vitz is here, Kato Blast will attack Kato Amnisho, he's solo bound as well, cannot get out of here.
Does manage to heal through with the Nature's Attendance.
And the final blast not good enough, but now Vitz hasn't slowed up himself so satanic, happy to show up, hop the Ravenvale, get closer to his target, and eviscerate the Necrophos.
Yeah, he was silenced as well.
The difference is only 1k, the network is kind of fine.
At the same time though, I fear the game needed to start a little bit better for our boys on ratings.
With the double iron shawl and what they've got, maybe they could've done a bit more around the top lane.
As this lineup of theirs, I fear, relies heavily on tempo.
On the bright side, again, I'm trying to be positive.
Foxy had a bit more time to actually pick up some net worth as Dark Margo, being aggressed
upon by no one, first supernova of the game will emerge.
Dark Margo trying to get away from no one who's chasing with the rolling thunder, but
he'll change targets.
Go up the hill hoping to find somebody else.
Unfortunately, the TP out from Dark Margo will be there.
The stacks.
Look at the triangle.
That's a lot of gold lost right there.
That was at least a triple, maybe even a quadruple stack.
Ember is back.
He also ended up missing the Impale on Zatanic, so he's gonna go directly onto Dark Margo.
Dark Margo needs to retreat, solo buy will be there though.
He gets hit with the Surge from the Darks here, that'll keep him alive.
Get him away from the Echo Slash.
These early engagements are won or lost just by resources, and their vision have too many.
And when I talk about resources, I mostly mean mana.
On one side, you're always able to fight.
Like Koro is just feeding everyone. You always have spells. Largo can use his ulti, Pango can double swashbuckle right on.
On the other side, Darkseer in this kind of a situation is still kind of heavily mana dependent.
And he never has enough because he's rushing this Dominator. No arcane boots.
So, can't even do a double iron shell to start things off and maybe make a difference.
They will also be experiencing pressure on the C1, the C Dragon.
Impale will miss from Skowfield unfortunately, but at least they get rid of the C Dragon,
keep the C1 tower alive.
Man, Paravision are playing really, really fast right now.
Largo, not that far away from having the full agony except the only 1500 go out.
What's the stats of Largo by the way?
Did this hero win a single game so far in the tournament?
Let's check, let's check, let's check.
Largo has two wins.
Two wins, okay.
Six games, two wins.
Now that's two more than I expected.
No one.
Coming through with the rolling thunder, unable to connect onto anybody as we do have, oh no!
The remnant of Doc Margo took him right in front of the Tannin who had a double damage.
Thankfully able to get one onto the high ground to escape.
That was very, very close for the same as for him.
And thankfully Enchantress was there to heal as well, because of the dot, right? Like just way too much damage.
They're being heavily pressured, meanwhile Kaz is just living life, enjoying himself, farming up the Dezo after the next layer.
We need to put some pressure onto Jokalus with the Spirit Castle.
He has 3 seconds until he has Slyte again.
Slight again.
As heck though.
But...
Not gonna be able to go in.
Oh my goodness!
No one with one swashbuckling and shield crash brings down El Misho.
Skullfield at the impale though prevents them from chasing off the dark mago.
So that's something.
This damage output from no one right now is crazy.
Yeah and it's only the defusal.
Defusal and the blight stone.
It's an orb of light.
It's all they need.
The smoke up as well going down bottom.
I think it's like Necro usually can just sit in the lane and be kind of careless if they go on, you use goldstrikes in this game, you can't because there's a built in this ball, it's though.
He will tank the gank, they would have to actually scan, they didn't catch them on the scan but at the very least they make the sass on the right position.
Not too bad, right? Like he breaks the gank that was heading towards Necro, Necro that now does have a relic and 500 gold so not too far away from Radiance.
That should be their first power spike, the radiance on him
By the way, keep in mind Beastmaster last game went for Dominator. He had Overlord Minut 13
Minut 13 Darkseer at the same time only has a Dominator
So a little bit of a different game and a different impact from
The offering hero
Moving up with the smoke with Vitz
They feel like they want to try and activate on the map right now.
They maybe could have waited for the radians, but we'll see.
Rune is going to be... or over? It's going to be the illusion reaper site!
Goes out onto no one. Vitz able to end another killing spree.
There's a solo bind on Dark Margo, but he has a lot of spells out there already.
Satanic gets vacuumed into the Darkseer wall, looking towards getting on Hell's Mishou.
Raps the dog's wholeness, and will open up the opportunity for Dark Margo to jump on top of him.
Nice little catchy lick from Triple S, bringing Satanic closer into safety.
Now there's potential to put aggression into the T1 Tower, Radius has just arrived four bits here.
At the same time, look at Largo going, strumming the songs, presenting a large enough threat,
but the rest of South American Rejects will back off and just leave the Tower alone.
It was, I believe, one Illuminate and one Echo Slash, and more or less they had to bail.
That was more than enough to shove them away from the Tower.
But okay, you know, South American Rejects showing some grit,
showing up with the Necro before Radiance, which is also cool, because
if you're Paravision, you're looking at him, you're looking at his item progression, and you're waiting for the Radiance before the smoke.
You know that he's going to show somewhere, so nice preemptive smoke instead.
To catch them off guard.
That's right, the fact that they've been suffering a lot of kills, only...
like that Gold lead is not that bad compared to what it was in the previous game.
Yeah.
It's not as bad as in the previous game, but 15 minutes in 4K is a whole item of an advantage, so it's quite significant still.
And speaking of sustain, by the way, on Paravision, they're doubling down on it, Keeper of the Light, going for the old school... old school.
It's not really old school, it's last year's build, right? Holy locket into the glimmer cape.
Especially when you're playing versus Necro, this kind of an itemization has huge value.
Let's go. They're smoked up on the side of HarryVision.
They know more or less what Darkseer is that. They seem in front of this siege wagon.
Should be able to catch up to him. No one.
Doesn't have the full wagon of Scepter just yet.
There's us coming from the other side. Grappling Claw.
There is going to be a wall that gets dropped but it's not going to stay frank here.
Ratchet Dance will kill him off. Off he gets hit with a big Illuminate.
He loves his dominated creeps, his pet-friendly used surge on the troll and
because of that he never really had a chance of surviving. He probably dies anyway.
We have now Skorfield middle with Dark Margo, Troublesse, Dorax E, activated at the moment.
We'll force back this Ember Spirit. Yes I can so Flameguard this belt with the
Catchy lake and is like this Largo right now with the axe alone. It's it's not good enough
It's not strong enough because you're wasting way too much mana. You need our kins
You need maybe a cast and we'll see what he goes for right now. He has a full grease queued up
Also build that Largo players did go for from time to time
Speaking of sustain. There you go even more so. Yep
Gigi boots will emerge from him and you will mention how many mono problems
Thankfully 9 class is very dutiful, moving down bottom to make sure that triple S is topped up
And it looks like the dogs here changed his mind instead of just going all in for behind with the overlord
And they decide to swap over for the crimson guard right now
This is fine. I think they also need utility on their side
little ways away from having his mage layer that's going to be the next item for him wants
to go straight in for those concentrated wraps and some Lotus orb on top of that so some
of the utility will emerge from the Necro.
I feel like the Lotus is though necessary and I feel like it might even be more necessary
than the wraps I understand wraps are cheaper easier to build right you're going to get
them sooner but they need this spell on their side as well you're playing versus
solar bind if nothing else
Enix, you get caught out here
does have supernova if he wants to use it would like to prevent that from
happening he chased after by the ember but ember wow very wisely realizing that
nope I have to go to the other revenant there were four heroes from Paris vision
waiting for him
Very well played top lane
He's he's fine. He's just carrying him at this point. Oh, this courier though. I
Don't know what it is about careers, but I swear they have some
Some AI escaped from musks
Factories or wherever, you know open AI it it's nicked into Dota and it's starting to control the careers
They have a mind of their own they constantly die
So you're saying they have swiss-addle couriers?
Yeah, absolutely. This is how it all starts.
What's the domino that ended the world? Korea wanted to die.
Bottom, Al-Misho, try to TP out. Unfortunately, it's a TANIC. We'll not allow him that honor.
Kills him off. With that kill, he gets very close to a full agonist subter, by the way,
because it's got a mid-slayer, Dezo, almost a full axe,
this line-up of Paralysion.
What's the sweetest thing about all of the heroes that they're playing against?
No one is forced to build anything super defensive or out of the standard item build.
Not even a BKB on Caz.
We're gonna try and fight this, but no one, oh what a roll outside.
They also connect onto bits, they really want to find this Necrophos,
raptor dance, help them to kill or frag immediately afterwards vix will follow them in the grave
burning down to the carless or supernova harry vision they set up in the roshan pit they knew
that south american reject would feel pressure to try and stop this they spring the trap super
easy skirmish for them it's looking rough bro it's looking rough it's kind of a draft i
I fear from Radiant, it has scaling but I'd be very surprised if Necromanish somehow
plushed this out in late game scenario versus a hero like Akaz, realistically, it's not
even about just the scaling one on one versus the enemy carry, it's the way of taking objectives.
Reaching high ground sounds like a fever to me for Radiant.
Before we get there, we still have to achieve the take-off scene fights.
Yep, we just need to win one skirmish.
Killing heroes is definitely still possible.
I haven't really seen Skofield's nicks.
Well, you know, make himself known down bottom by throwing the MPL onto Satanic.
In the meantime, he has to drink metal, help me show.
Sunray is our catch, he needs to bring him back to everybody.
Hit with the frog stomp, and he's gonna die.
I also see the Zatanic after Danza brings down Schofield.
They decided to chase him with just two heroes.
He's gonna punish this move very heavily.
Fletch forced to get away using himself as a way out of the Deathseeker.
Here we go, with Frank.
Big vacuum wall, but there's just not enough follow-up damage.
It's too slow, Liz.
They're just bursting through them, healing everybody up with nine claws.
The Sunray is too good.
All of a sudden, Zatanic has himself a triple kill.
He just bought the Agonim Scepter.
By the way, record fastest axe ever on Kiz, and now it almost has a BKB.
I'm not really surprised that it's record breaking.
Eeper of the life, just healing everyone, giving everyone mana, keeping everyone nice and healthy.
The radiance burn is just not enough, and at this point I feel like if you're willing to take a fight,
you need to have every single tool at your disposal ready to strike at the same time.
You can't take these scrappy fights anymore where Nick's kinda goes alone and then someone else follows up
There's not a single duo of heroes that can get the kill
In that duo alone. They need everyone
Literally not seeing all of them fighting together in this game
To be fair very often Paravision is able to find a pickle from one of them before another skirmish breaks up
And then they have the numerical advantage which is weird considering what heroes they're rocking on the other side
Like you have mixes, you have emperors, the heroes are generally good at finding the targets properly, they have super high mobility.
It's just that Skofield, something happened in this game that is, well not something, everything happened.
And it's not allowing them to play the map.
I'm gonna try to get onto the chairs right now, Titanic will dive back onto him, there's our Axidons, Skofield already gone.
Meisler sent a conqueror storm to at least interrupt it.
At the same time, Dark Margo trying his best on the back lines at me.
He separated away from Fizz.
So Zatanik and Troubles just surrounding this Necro.
They drop a supernova on his head.
And the entire time Dark Margo can't even kill one of the supports.
He dives back towards the tier 2 tower.
Tries to get out with the TP. Will he succeed?
No, he will not.
Get all the way back in, buy the frog stock with the catchy lick.
He is dead.
That is another tier 2 tower.
Another major team fight with the Parry Vision. 17k up at 23 minutes.
There's his belting.
He attempted at least in the backlines to catch the Phoenix and keep her of the light, but...
Keep her of the light.
Glimmers, heals, Phoenix just pews his egg.
And that's all she roans.
No way forever to get any...
Any kills.
Game is hot. Game is hot.
You're already on your high ground right now.
One minute remaining with the Zages, but should be sufficient to at least play Milano Bracks here.
Is there a reason for them to leave even? They have a pipe on Largo. It's unused.
Egg, I guess you put me through your ulti's.
Uh, okay.
Platanic.
Going forward onto Vitz here.
Still has Aegis.
Aegis still available.
Raptors dons just came back with Kudon.
Take the range barracks.
What can they do here?
Dark Margo will try to stall this out the best he can with a slight skill, but the opportunity
for actually killing these heroes is just not unveiling itself.
The Spade is going to be Satanic, deciding to jump onto Coalfield, easily bursting through
him.
No one with the rolling Thunder holds Vitz in place, exposes him to the Raptidons.
Satanic not done just yet, looking towards getting this Emberspurt, fortunately for
Dark Margo, barely able to get back in the base.
But that's going to be a lane of Rax, and Vitz just keeps dying.
cannot survive imagine 25 minutes in you two and six on the necro force and that
was their last pick more or less right like the idea they had behind the carry
it was a decent idea until Largo showed up with the built-in this spell like it
completely messed them up I feel like at the same time on the other side they
needed a resetting tool for the necro shard is a good one because it enables
you to maneuver around the fight, at least some mobility, but they also needed a load
to perhaps on someone else on their side, and it's a very expensive item considering
how this game has started.
Pipe killed up on Darkseer, and another problem that I saw with the Darkseer here, right?
Same as Largo on one side has so many things to dispel.
For Darkseer you want to buy utility, a lot of Oras.
Every single Oras is good here, like what do you get?
You get the crimson, you get the pipe, because you need all of them.
He got the crimson, and now he's queuing up the pipe as well.
So what you're saying to me is that he's sick?
I mean, yeah, I think.
One more item syndrome, man.
Pretty much.
Black Margo, solar bound.
I'd like to have DKB in this moment.
He doesn't, but Satanic will ignore him for a moment as he dives in.
The base Frank is going to be the new target.
He is going to be an easy grab for parry vision.
It feels like anybody that gets solar bound just dies.
Like you said, there's no dispel to get them out of that situation.
It's the...
It's the pent up magic damage, right?
But it's also the slow, and they have more than enough facility.
I mean, I think this is GG though.
This is looking like it's...
I don't know about this.
Talk about it, we'll at least go for one more Hail Mary play, but...
I think they're gonna GG out after this.
Doesn't feel like this game is playable anymore.
HarryVision, it's gonna take the tattoo.
Aegis has gone, sure, but...
Who realistically can stop this kid?
He's still sitting on a 9 second EKD.
Just a matter of time.
They're freshing up.
0% with probability.
I don't think I have ever seen 0.
I've seen 0 before, but it's relatively real.
0% with the Rax still being alive.
Not with Rax still being alive.
That's 0% is insane.
I mean, 26 minutes in, they are 26k ahead.
And it's the moment to go. They are 26k ahead.
about to be further ahead because Stofield is going to deliver more gold into the coffers of Parivision.
Big vacuum war emerging, but not really going to make a difference.
This, whoo, inside a supernova raptor dance combo, absolutely nothing can be done about that.
Frank at least able to retreat into the fountain. Dark Margo has reached gold,
gets two heroes here with the slight chains. We'll buy back, hoping to try and do something,
but all of these heroes are literally at full HP. Spirit vessel out onto Largo, but to what end?
Dark Margot just immediately dives to Satanic, Gigi is called, and this right here is a textbook example of bullying.
You're not allowed to do this here at all.
Yeah, absolutely not.
Once again, I mean, Game 2 and Game 3, you could say, were kind of in a bully mode on the side of the Paragation.
This last game, for sure. Necro was picked.
He got countered by Largo, but even before Largo, there was a Phoenix and a Coral.
The abundance of magic damage on Paravision was really showing here.
Difficult job for the side of SAR Paravision.
Go through into the playoffs and we send it back to General Shiva and the soldiers
who have the hard job of finding something good about SAR's performance.
They won one game of this series and they still have a series to play tomorrow.
That's a good thing for them.
This series, though, indeed goes the way of Paravision
and I do just want to start by praising
the team because I feel like the recovery after game one is just I don't know. I feel like they need
game one. I feel like they look stronger now than they did yesterday as well. This has helped them.
Yeah, that clearly was like a stern conversation after game one. Somebody was like,
this is not us. We need to do, you know, keep this even longer. Yeah, yeah, all the timbers.
There's many little factors in game one. I mean, even just looking at no one's face, right? When you
go to the draft of game one, the screenshot that we have on Reddit, climbing and upvotes,
compared to his smile of winning Game 3. They are like, it's two different people in the screenshots,
but I think P-Vision, of course, they woke up, they crushed Game 2 and 3, and they showed why
they are a very, very strong contender for the playoffs. I kind of gave credits to
South American Rejects. They did play 3-Wheel Game 1, but it does seem like the biggest difference
maker was actually the lone roid. I feel like they woke up on the side of Parry, they said,
We're not doing this again, and suddenly they look like a different beast.
It just took over both games. Fast, insane execution of the draft, by the way.
I gotta say this Largo, this Largo fixed all of their problems.
They made South American races line up completely useless.
They lacked damage. They're getting dispelled.
They don't need a nullifier on parry side anymore against the Necro,
which is how most of the games go, you know?
You have this Necro as a big problem, suddenly we need a nullifier.
Just pick Lago. Vax you. Pick Lago. Problems fixed.
It's done. Go next.
The lane was kind of awkward for him, right? He was down a bit on that worth,
but then when they contested the wisdom, it's what? Four heroes died in South American Rejects.
We're talking about like Koro Lago just farming the side of the map like, well,
three of our dudes have kind of just outplayed all the South American.
And in a 5v3 they lost four heroes. That's not what she wants.
Just devastation across the board. But yeah, AP vision, they're kind of
of entry to the game was very clear.
They knew exactly what they had to do.
They have the confidence in their aggression.
Like the score lines are just very, very strong.
The South American rejects, I feel like,
yeah, I think this series maybe exploited them for,
they need to win lanes to feel confident in games.
And especially in the one game they won in the series, right?
It was a really good laning phase.
You sweep throughout the map.
That is like made to consider for the next series,
if you are planning up against them,
what can they do if they don't win the lanes?
they aren't as maybe robust as other teams but triple s getting the lago pick we don't see it often
it has fallen out of favor immensely due to the changes in his ultimate and the and the of course
diagonals but now like that uh we are many people people just forget this series in this tournament
so i can understand how South American area did not think about this this this series pick
specifically uh at the same time i feel like they just did a huge blunder with a box here
It does not fit in the lineup. It's like it's not good enough. It has like moments with ember
But if the moments don't ever happen, it will just be like a detriment to the entire game like to me
I'm not a fan of the the necro pick on 18
I feel like maybe tight under there would have been like better to keep draft integrity alive and much better
After pick 18. Okay, so they had a chance to lock it in they didn't I think p-vision
And their drafting just was very clean, in like Game 2 and Game 3, like of course, haha
Game 1, blah blah blah, but like Game 2, Game 3, they very much were like, this is our
like, this is our playbook, if we're to like get to the grand finals, like these are the
type of drafts and play that they'll have, if they are to get there.
This was the team that we saw that won 17 games in a row, so definitely well deserved
that they make it to the playoffs, it's not time we ever had of course one Shanghai Major
Champion on our couch the whole time, it's time to get two Shanghai Major Champions on
our couch because I believe Hoppy is ready to join us! I will, hello, hi Hoppy would
you like to sit in the middle? You know what they, they said, they said I have to be in
the middle so you have to be in the middle. There we go, welcome. Please spread, spread
it, of course. Very comfortable here. We don't have any problem here with touching ourselves.
You didn't get each other. Congratulations. Thank you. Oh good, my first question is actually
about, obviously it's about coaching paravision. When you started coaching them, you joined
them at the end-ish tail end of a patch. So there was already a lot of ideas that were
already cemented. New patch dropped a couple weeks ago. How is it coaching then when you
first joined on an old patch versus now having to have the full experience of a fresh patch?
Fresh patch is definitely better because I got to push my ideas and they don't know if
they work or not. So it's like, gonna have to play them no matter what, right? So it's
at least way more fun because before when you would come into the team, you would be
analyzing what they are good at and what they want to play and all that stuff. New patch
drops, things change, and it's more, it's a new environment. Then it actually does feel
like a new team, which is more fun.
Good to hear.
I bring that then. Learn Druid game one.
Yeah.
Was everybody on board with that? Because during the draft, it kind of looked like there was
bit of like you know disagreement like maybe everyone wasn't excited by other picks you can see the joy like
was everyone bored with learned and support it was our first try cool and the official
nine class has been playing it okay so you played the screens uh no
but uh it hasn't stopped us from picking anything else so it's not really their problem the problem
is that it didn't work out and uh we could have probably played it carry anyway we just kind of
like tunnel vision on him playing it. Right I see. So when you as soon as you
picked it when you say tunnel vision would you say I was like in the first half
of the draft that you'd settled on him playing it or was it more like a
reaction later on? I mean usually people try to counter
Lone Droid through draft right? Yeah. I don't think they even countered
Lone Droid on draft. They didn't care. No. Yeah so like they just kind of played
their own game and it was like well uh but we wanted to play case at the same
time so it's like we just kind of poisoned ourselves with the Lone Droid pick.
I see. And now talk about draft as well one more time.
would you say that is drafting easier or harder in like Monday Dota compared to like back in the
day like Secret Prime like with some of like the big rates of drafting maybe not really being
part of teams anymore like how would you compare drafting today to the past? I would say drafting
is much harder like in the past in the past we say yes you said in the past yeah I didn't yeah
I have to say in the past I wouldn't understand you if you didn't say the other way I will say
passed okay thank you right like normal people said anyway because you kind of
are locked into to the cheeses that happened in the game and there were a
lot of them before like there were meepo last picks rude Matt last picks there
was like loan drew last picks there was there was a constant amount of stuff
alchemists was our problem Huskar was a problem there are so many things but now
like a Huskar gets picked last pick you're kind of like yeah we could still
win okay there's no there's no issue with that and and like even if you see
like the the midlaners that end up being picked like let's say like oh usually
people pick ember against pango we'll pick pango against ember you know it's
like because that's kind of like what's going on it's like a lot of people are
good at their heroes and they can play bad matchups and it just can the game
will flow regardless but before it was kind of like are they gonna just ruin
our game with some drafts make sense thank you I want to ask you you have
been a player for so long and now you've become a coach. What's the difference
in dealing with players from a captain perspective and a coach perspective?
It's much easier doing as coach because it's like it's it's always been I've
always known that like it's easier for the coach to draft and it's easier for
the coach to like push ideas because you don't have to you're not in game with
the guy. You know, he's the guy, he's just a birdie telling you stories about how I think
Alchemist is good or something like that. It's like, I will tell you that. And if it
didn't work out, you're not mad at somebody in the game, you can go next game. You know,
I can tell you honestly, I can even suck it up and say like, my bad, dude, it screwed
up. But if you say my bad, and I'm actually in game with you, might affect you a little
bit differently than man, I'm playing with a noob or something.
All these thoughts, they might not even be like, you can't even control them, because that's just human thoughts, like, and all these things can happen actually when you're a captain, while you're a coach, all these things are kind of like, they're not there.
The last thing I want to ask you is, how do you rate having a player like 9 class, who does all these weird things in your team, compared to like, a normal purpose? That's a statement.
What's abnormal about him?
The heroes he plays are out of meta, and I think he pulls out some incredible things that usually work out in his favor.
I just want to ask you how it is. Do you think it's a benefit having this type of player in your team?
I had Yapsor. Yapsor played Mirana and bought Scotty first item.
Yapsor played 9-4-5.
I think Yapsor was more of a greedy player, not out of meta player.
9-class not greedy?
He is greedy, but he's playing out of meta greedy heroes.
Yeah, I mean he goes like he's playing you know position 400. I'll just go carry items
You know, we were expecting a fetch like doing fetch with the greenstraw will be and then we see him queue up
He has any other eggs. Yeah, I mean classic. There's a lot of farm on the map, but I understand what you're saying
to me it's
It's mostly positive because I get to actually structure the game
to draft around them per se, let's say, but it can come to become a problem at some point but I don't see it as a problem.
With that in mind, you said as a coach it's easier to make people listen to you. How well do your players listen to you?
Like, okay, you're playing this, you're playing that, is everybody like, okay, let's do it or is there a pushback?
How much is there a back and forth versus them doing what they're told?
I think it's no different than if you're captain. It's just the emotional aspect of it is gone.
So you can just suggest ideas and they might not be that emotional about them.
They will listen, they will have a debate, and I don't know, it just sounds...
Maybe it's just because they respect me or something like that. I have no idea what the real truth is.
But for now, I'm just telling you that it's easier.
Okay, that's good to hear.
Also a question about the tournament, obviously, now making it to the playoffs.
Do you have any specific expectations set for this event,
or how do you feel about your chances making it all the way?
I mean, we want to win.
Yeah.
Because we thought we would do a little bit better in Birmingham
after we were getting trashed.
But then the new patch came out, and then we found a little bit of a flow.
And we wanted to go far.
but extreme gaming, they fought back.
Because if you remember, we played the first game
and trashed them, and then second and third game,
they actually fought back pretty well.
And I was like, ah, god damn it.
But whatever the case is, we're ready to run this tournament
to the end.
Because up until yesterday, you guys had a 17-game win streak.
Is it something you keep track of?
Oh, no.
That doesn't matter at all.
OK.
Well, I hope that you get the win streak back after yesterday.
Today, of course, a great start with that.
Thank you for taking the time to sit in our couch.
And we're going to let you enjoy your time.
Can we keep sitting?
You can keep sitting.
Please.
You're going to end this thing?
Yeah, we pretty much are.
You're going to play the show.
You can enjoy this with it.
How do we close it?
OK, so basically, she was going to say some stuff.
She asked a question.
We'll see a graphic.
It's not that hard, actually.
All right, all right, all right.
Let's do some back and forth.
We can take a look at the results of today.
Because this stream has come to a close.
Let's take a look at what happened.
This is all happy.
Happy results because nobody got eliminated.
What do you think puppy?
Are you surprised by these results?
Not really attention to the, to the rest of the tournament when you're
focusing, obviously you're focusing on man.
I don't watch it at all.
I'm just here for fun.
Again, honestly, I just say stupid shit and my team believes it.
Welcome to the panel.
Yeah, I mean, I was thinking of doing this job the whole time.
Yeah, you should honestly play p vision game.
It was an embarrassing.
It was embarrassing.
So embarrassing.
It was so bad.
They get paid by the way to do.
You get paid.
yet we all get paid we have to watch that
give me some
there's a spot for the couch if you do it
she doesn't get paid that's why she's good at it
yeah
at the other stream this is where sad things were happening
cause eliminations were on the line here
Navi is out, Vici Gaming is out
and there's still game going on right now
Virtus Pro vs Maus
you have any help takes on this one puppy?
no
i mean see you smiling when you say it though
I have nothing to say. No, he's scared. I can see it. I think he's looking at XG2 and VHG gaming
You know, he's realizing at Birmingham. You could have maybe lifted the trophy, but they're there
So I think he just got fear in him. Nothing to say. Yeah, literally
Literally, okay, then we have what you think about VP mouse because it is it is the game that's still going on
We're gonna jump to that in a second. Yeah, this is a game both teams have been struggling this tournament
Mm-hmm. I've been led down by VP so far
I feel like they should have performed much better, but they I think they've had just some communication problems
It feels like they're kind of choking a lot of the all of the games
So I hope they can just fix that have a great game. I'm a boy team model
You choke. It's pretty hard to communicate, right? It's really you have to grunt and ping and that's not good
I thought very hard about that. I yeah, I mean we play pubs together. You know how bad it can be. That's not what I meant
That you're thinking
You obviously know what it is.
Back to you, Sheva.
Great.
Back to you, Sheva.
Thank you for that.
Well, it's going to be the end of the show.
We're not going to get hot takes from Poppy
about his former teammates.
That was a shame.
But we get to watch them anyway, because Virtus.Pro
and Maus is going head-to-head.
You know where to find the secondary streamer.
You also know that you don't know the schedule
until that game is done.
So make sure to keep your eyes on the socials.
Thank you so much for joining us today.
We'll see you again tomorrow.
Have a good one.
See ya.
Oh boy, yes, I was like, I'm proud of you guys.
I can lean on it.
Pl 새로 are a couple,
We are one couple.
Drivers of us over
You drive the sissies
and the girls
Again we run them
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