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KB able to take out the holocore and look at this they've been coming in with a big rapid head for the heroic
They don't have anything what happened to the black hole there. Did he get did it get canceled instantly?
He might have been stunned simultaneously by the cans I think oh
Of course that's gonna just stun everyone and this is gonna turn into a team wife
This game is not even remote because I was expecting
I mean,
the lanes are too much to handle as you can see the avatars onto that in mid laner by the way getting killed with a decent amount though thanks to the soul worth of this whisperer in there.
There's TP.
And of course out some TP's, Nisha with the mobility.
We'll be able to get out just fine.
A spell with a BKB.
Wants to kill off the Alucord.
That's so quite easily I must say.
Still has lasso.
Still has lasso.
Who does he want to bring?
That's the Bristol who gets broken, who gets killed as heroic, just melting now.
The egg right in front of Whisper gets a good decay, but there's only so much that can
do at this stage of the game.
Another death for KJ.
Yeah, and this has to pay for it, then.
Yeah, I guess so.
And last ditch effort from Ty Lung, he tepees in, BKBs, and they are running for now just
trying to do a soft reset.
Madalasso onto the Alchemist, and the death of the Alchemist.
It's over.
He's still right that the Zip TP away, he's gonna make it.
Does he have six or is that four in his mod?
I actually can't find it.
Six, yeah six.
So you know you have to walk in a big road.
You go.
That's all right.
On to two.
A very nice solo mine in fact.
Low, low, down.
Yotaro, he might lose his first bear and he will.
Chase is on for bite you now, bite you.
you will be okay instead they'll chase down room but you are what a beautiful
touch got the juice as well just jumping right in as the wind fair now
on to but you're delicious
they put the minute pop with this they used he used to jump there you go look
Look at that.
Yeah.
I mean, Lola is playing a little bit on spires,
so I suppose it is actually.
There we go.
DG's call.
He's got two targets at the bush there, completely off the market with wide, still
The bug being chased, Shadowcrafting is going to be quite a bit harder for our open army
continuing the chase, goes on to back off to Shinkyu, Shinkyu still flying, can't stay the same for why those are gone.
And so will we accept...
Oh, I'm sorry.
This light is having a very good game here on this dark willow to walk down the rubik.
The rubik can be perfectly fine right in front of the fountain.
Shackles gonna be very nice for Shira, but what do you pull up with?
Shota follows up 4 down anyway, except he's gonna jump in, but this dude's up immediately.
He's still not coming, I raised the dodge.
Score's fair, and Karlo, but still that's maybe.
Oh he caught it from the corner down!
Haha, it just gets caught.
And surprise me, he's gonna be an easier problem.
Here we go, Shira.
Shira and Karlo, he's going.
one, also down.
Did you call it?
I've seen it.
And it's very clear, like, for the majority of gamer Legion Spights, they are dooming the Bristol.
So what are they going to do when they can?
Anything?
Oh, okay.
Oh, yeah, the bears are here.
Oh, man.
He is dead.
Three dead just like that in Falcons, sitting pretty.
Double buyback from Gamer Legion,
but they're dangerously low on resources now.
There's the avalanche on the bear.
They force that.
It's continuing to get slowed by MR.
It's going to beat down speed.
That's a dieback for him.
And there goes the second bear.
And that should surely do it as Doom gets tossed into Oblivion.
And GG's call, so Falcons take game number two.
Just needs one guy.
Just needs one guy to keep trying to get some motto.
The pushback comes out to stall us with the follow-up, husking her up in the air,
eating the dust and a lump, and trying to run for that much milk for her.
It's gonna make sure that he's worn out that few months again, for a boob.
And they might end up losing more Euro than they signed out for.
Underlord's gonna be stuck in the low-ground, take down Savorite.
They got the kill on the punch, but that really isn't a relief.
The creeps are in the base.
They are going for the scope, lady.
No, that's second Roshan denying the banner.
They're important, Ganna is flying around again with dust.
Sly doesn't play catch and get to the plate.
I think he'll be comfortable for a full run.
Hellscream!
Steele!
Theatres took the stall and balled like me.
And he manages to get himself out.
The banner is still down at the ground.
The player's about to die.
And that's the first one.
Brandish, the powerful boot connecting onto Zavado.
Onto Savorlite.
Hellscream's got 8 HP and has that Aegis still intact.
And Zavado has Moronov bullying him.
The anchor's on him as well.
The X plays down and that will explode.
Zavado will go down.
Moronov didn't just completely ignoring that egg.
explosion. Again, VP comes from a little off of these small windows. They're in evenly, and now
they jump in front of Madoff, finding Lorna. Madoff gets his PKB off though, and now Ike is
going to get far ahead of you on the other side of the fight. They're going to try and focus the
emulcher. Gets hit by the ravage. Lorna gets a double kill. He's been flying that, coming in
from for Rubik. He's told to capture, but just keeps up. Awkward, easy for trying to beat the
Madoff, so he runs through his PKB, and he's trying to stand his ground, but that bear is too much
much to deal with, McRistala's cleaning out, Arvid buys back, returns to the fight, or
not with a triple, your instant axe onto the evoker, die back!
This will be able to back watch in the tier 2 tower, in the meantime I contest for this
wisdom shrine El Nisho is within but here comes Dark Margo trying to put in some
treasure concoction lands out onto two colors Dark Margo trying to finish him
off first no one did shake out the epicenter bringing down El Nisho in the
meantime beautiful earth fight from the high ground from Scofield but
unfortunately Kansas right behind him able to bring him down get the quick
kill Dark Margo realizing he's outnumbered here she doesn't want to let it go like
He's still trying.
Here we go, Dark Margo.
I'm a first-line class Skogil, though.
He's going to the backline.
He has no interest in the lone druid.
He wants the kill, and he's gonna get him with the break and the impale,
but they need more damage.
He's gonna come in from Dark Margo and Zatanic, though.
Gets off the Rats again, but shredding through these heroes,
and he gets out with the grappling claw.
Are you kidding me?
Dark Margo really wants to at least bring him down,
force the Kess to die,
man the dodge to get out of the stun,
Get out of the roots, unfortunately, you can do nothing about the spirit vessel.
You will eventually die.
And El Miso, Dark Margo, they escaped.
26 minutes in, they are 26k ahead.
That was the moment to go, they were 26k ahead.
About to be further ahead, because Tokyo is going to deliver more gold into the Carpenter of Paribasian.
Big vacuum war emerging, but not really going to make a difference.
whoo!
Inside a supernova raptor dog compo, absolutely nothing can be done about that.
Frank at least able to retreat into the fountain.
Dark Margo has respawned.
It's two heroes here with a slight change.
We'll buy back.
Hopefully they're trying to do something, but all of these heroes are literally a full HP.
Spirit vessel out onto Lars over to one end.
Dark Margo just immediately dies to Zatanic.
GG is called.
Yes, greetings, Dota fans.
Welcome back to PGL Valahia Season 8.
And today is going to be Judgment Day.
We've got three series, three teams going home, three teams going through to the playoffs,
and we're going to take you through that over the course of the day.
I'm your host Richard Lewis.
Joining me on the desk, we've got two of the finest analysts in all of the world.
We have, of course, got Jenkins.
probably know him from previous events and indeed a playing career that sees him representing the
illustrious fart studios right now. NA Dota, shout out to NA Dota everyone we got two NA Dota players
here absolutely and the other chap of course is Buster Ryan's favorite player we are!
You get that one? Hip hop boomers are gonna love that. Yeah there's one percent of people in chat
they get what you get but but of course obviously going all the way back to bowl compares someone
whose career I've followed as well, so it's great to have you on the desk today.
I'm happy to be here. I'm gonna say, as you said, I've played there for three years.
I consider myself like a tiny bit an NA player.
Well, we'll talk about it. We'll bring up some of the results from the Swiss bracket.
But yeah, NA, I guess you've just been watching it slowly die from a distance.
It's not been a pleasant journey for NA Dota. I gotta say, I'm looking at the qualifiers as well.
They're kind of disappointing. A lot of teams are just forfeiting. There's only really like
two teams that are fighting for a slot and today we have the chance to see any
pro themselves with Gamer Legion. There's three NA players. We're gonna talk
about that it's just obviously I don't want to be that guy but I on day one I
said Gamer Legion are looking good, two three. You know it's just the most anything
of all. That's what we expect. But why don't we talk about the other teams that
went through as well because I mean we saw some very solid teams that have made
into the playoffs obviously we saw Falcons you know I think they they've
looked really impressive I think probably with like Betboom the two teams
that I think have really got a handle on the meta. The Falcons had it up and down
yeah yeah they they've looked good and then there's one series they didn't do
that well against the Betboom and then the next day against him they just
looked very good against Gamer Legion. Yeah they had they had Alchemist problems
which is another thing that we'll get to when we do the meta update, but obviously as you can see as well
some of the names that haven't gone through, we were very perplexed because obviously we lost Tundra very quickly
We lost Yandex, our reigning champions, they went out, then we lost Na'Vi as well and that's always a young team
We always want them to do a little bit better than they actually do, so it's always an interesting play here
glad you always get these ups and down and we were expecting miles to shit the
bed because they were all in three the standard situation they're like every
every tournament a new player they've got a lot of success in the stand-in he
does maybe not so much on falcons last time here compared to how we expect at
them to play generally at number one mercenary but it's nice to see them
like popping off and doing fine they're doing like the mouse thing we're like
They figured it out, you know, right? Let's get into
I want to say one thing about Navi. We lost one of the only brookings here at the tournament true
So no more brood mother. Yeah, well, I mean, there's some good riddance if you ask me
Fair enough
Arachnophobes rejoice
So yes, let's talk about the meta updates. Obviously at the start of the tournament brand new patch
Obviously at Birmingham when it dropped people were kind of just throwing anything to see what was working
It got a letter patch part way through the tournament midway through a series as it happens. Thanks for that valve
But now we're really starting to get into the tech and so that's what we're gonna focus on here
What are your observations? Obviously there were some favorites coming into the tournament
We're talking about Alchemist. Of course
It was one of the heroes that was banned completely
Completely the first day and second day with the exception of Falcons and those have failed
So I want to talk about the winners of those women the heroes nobody thought they're gonna be here
Yeah, I mean, yeah
Starting with kids it is insane win rate 90% in the 11 games only one loss on
Satanic I believe yeah, he's the only one who lost this year
Did you read the patch notes on Kess? Do you know what they changed about him? Are you Kess player?
No, not really.
Me either.
I used to be a Kess player.
I used to be a Kess player and then they switched his style of play and then I feel like it's not worth it for me.
But Kess obviously loved the hero and Slardar, which I believe was completely ignored like in priority.
Not ignored in play, but in priority in first two days, they were still like picking Phoenix over Slardar.
And in third day they realized, well, wait a second, this year is actually good and he's got an insane winner to back it up as well.
And I feel like teams are now understanding of this year they will just either first pick it or just ban it.
I don't think anybody wants to leave this year right now.
Yeah, no, obviously as well. You saw their Vettelman, so it was like a surprise for me.
I know Gamer Legion have been rocking that a lot in their games, so they're big contributors.
It's a kind of speeds jam, but I mean also as well not a hero
I would have thought would have been as dominant
But we've seen some like parents with lone druid and you've just got these like super strong kill lines
And he does yeah, like speed does some cool stuff with it
He values going for neutral items really early on like he'll go two points in word like zero one two
And then jungle a little bit like he'll just put some wards off to the side farming a medium camp
And he gets like Pollywog charm at two or three minutes into the game all of a sudden like you don't need to buy tangos for the rest of
Laning phase. We're actually in Sheila and suddenly you can turn around you know. Yeah
Escrimation the lane. It's it's really crazy to be able to get neutrals
I agree with Dom when he says like this is something teams are not abusing enough right now
It's the fact that it like an early neutral item can genuinely turn the game. This is why I love crystal maiden
I play post 5 crystal maiden and this is what I do
I do not block the enemy big camp and what I just skills cross pipe ignore my care for just get the shards
Go for the big and pull away. You kill the camps really fast pull the small camp and then suddenly minute two you can
Possibly have actually minute three you can have a new trial. Yeah, I can give you know
I you're early time. I'm not getting excited about crystal maiden when you're saying that I'm thinking what other hero can one shot creeps
Pudge
Pudge can one-shot creeps, easy jungle fudge, let's go.
Well, like all things in life, you can't have winners without losers, so these are the losers of the tournament.
I gotta say, I'm so disappointed with Windranger, but to be honest, it's predicted.
This year, I got absolutely nerfed. He got both facets, one deleted, and the other one they put on a level 25 talent.
Something he just had from the start of the game. They decided. Okay. Let's put it on level 25
They gave him a new agonies
But it's as we saw from nightfall in the interview and I agree with him
It's not that good. Yeah, and we can see in the stats. It's very hard to win with this hero right now
People still pick it because they've just a shortage of carries. I feel mm-hmm
Queen must be rises me a bit to be honest. I really thought the
Scream of pain being buffed in damage and then obviously that pairing with the agonim scepter like sure you're damaging yourself
But not on creeps the farming from the heroes really crazy. I love the soul ring build
Maybe there's maybe part of what made me think we depend was super strong
Is it in like pro level pubs?
You'd always see it with alchemist
So you have this like inflation of Queen of Pains like power level because she's getting an agonim scepter like
like, Kai and Saunge at like 12 minutes into the game, so it looks way stronger than it
is. It's like 37% pretty bad, man.
I have to say, I think it's part of the build. It's the build's fault. I feel like they're
going this Blastown item, which is good to try new things and new builds. It looks kind
of good, but I feel like it's not strong enough for his timings. You know, it's a bit too expensive.
And another thing is, he's being first pick. He's being first pick right now. And that's
a big problem.
It didn't feel like we've seen a lot of like truly great dominant co-op matchups. Yeah, this tournament
We haven't seen the big
Stump the quarter. Yeah, it feels like she just kind of farms whatever game she's in it's funny because we on the morning panels
We haven't seen co-op first face pick at all. So I mean it was only what like picked in 10 games or something like that
So it's not like a crazy amount. It's like we were dodging out this stuff until we've been to yeah
We were dodging out. We also were dodging like the Necro games
We do we see we saw one macro was a zero there were two necro games in this tournament. I think both were
South American rejects
Yeah, I think yes the game player with it was wits playing. Yeah, which played both both necro games
So we dodged one one game and completely lost a second though. Now we don't talk about just necro things
Look, you've also been noticing some niche picks the kind of little specialities that might be coming in
Yeah, this is what we've got. You know, there's been some some good stuff out there a nine-class position for loan drew
It's always hilarious. No, who told me about loan to a position for who it was slack some day one. I
Don't want to go there. That's that's the new hotness
And that's a rabbit hole that I don't want to go into but we got Yammich Pudge
Honestly, the hero feels very good, you know, perhaps because of the jungling stuff
We're talking about a little bit but more so like fleshy giving you two strength per kill
If you can get an early kill like free laning or in the laning stage like the hero legit is
Really hard to win first and you talk to puppy about that pick rate was it some yeah on the game
I did so what did he have to say so basically?
they haven't screamed the hero once right but they believe in my class and
They just make sense so they should try it
He made a mistake in the draft because they locked in too early like from the beginning
the new 9th class is going to play it, he regretted that and yeah, I think if they were more open
to it, as he said, they would have put him in a different position, had more like greater
chances.
I can double confirm the way that those guys talk about 9th class, like legit, his entire
team, they believe he's a genius.
Like that's the word, they say we have a genius as our position 4, so we're going to use our
genius as a position 4.
The last thing sorry about that was that he said enemies usually
Counter the long road when you pick it early, but they didn't care
Therefore is the dog. We saw the loneliness on that the other day. It was liquid, right?
Liquid against gamer Legion was no it was the falcons came remember. Oh, it was Falcons
Yeah, it was just let it through and it was like they and how they count that the long druid was they just played
They just played normal though. I like a normal liquid fast. Dota. Yeah, they just parked them up. So that was good
I mean, I will say this as well for 9th class. I think you'll probably try the lone druid 4 again at some point
It can kind of feels reminiscent when he was rocking terror blade position for and using the illusions to farm and stack
And be in use since this does seem a lot worse though
I feel like they're if they if he's gonna do it it might not be this tournament
Right, they experienced where was awful that game. Oh, yeah, it was very bad
And I think in a tournament you don't want to have a repeat. I mean just picking the hero again might
It might like bring bad memories immediately, and just instantly ruin the mood of the team.
And I don't think you want that in the tournament.
That's why I feel like they will maybe scream it once or twice, or maybe talk about it after
the tournament.
Alright, we'll see.
He's been playing it up for a really long time.
I can see it.
He's playing as Monkeys.
He's got Leshrac.
He's doing so good on this one.
He's doing great.
They don't need to whip out the longer route again.
I think they're fine on that one.
We'll see.
We'll see.
It's 9 class, dude, so you never know what you're getting.
You never know.
Madness we know what you're gonna get at home. This is our schedule as I said just one screen today
This is it. This is what we're gonna be talking about on the desk
It's gonna be closing out with extreme gaming versus team spirit, but a team spirit without collapse
We cannot believe this has happened. It's essay rejects versus mouse mouse game here
Yes, they've got the stand-in guard of Lauren off
But they've also got a player who's kind of out of the team because they're retiring and they don't necessarily have a replacement
There's all of these problems and yet they've made it to the last day of groups, but starting the day
It's what we were all here for it's game a legion versus heroic
I guess we've got to start we've got you here. We've got to start by talking about game a legion
I mean they have looked so good at times here at this tournament even in games
They've lost they've had competitive maps and yet when we saw them against Vulcans. They got run over
They looked scared, they looked flat, and now we're here.
I love their 1 and 2 heroes actually.
They have this Oscar mid, they were always very scary, you know?
As a mid player, you really don't want to get the Oscar mid.
Nowadays it's easier to do with this hero,
but I feel like they have these insane niche picks, as you said, as well, Jenkins.
But more of like specialist heroes, like they have Yuma.
They have actually, Yuma is on game of the gen, right?
No.
No, I'm mistaken. No, I'm mistaken. Sorry, I was talking about R.C.Y.
Yes.
And they have Ghost to the laundry. Yeah, that's it.
Ghost is the...
And Necro and Viper, it's like, dude, just pick something normal.
Don't actually do it, because he's really good at that.
But if you're an opponent to this guy, you're just so frustrated that the drafting you have to do
is entirely different from drafting against any other team that has something like
Yatoro playing Terrablade and Normal carries, you're just like, you have a Necro against you.
Yeah, I mean the most normal it's got really is the murder pick, but I mean like
That was a specialty. Yes before anyone else. Yeah, exactly and regarding laundry it's it's meta here right now
But go is a laundry player. Hmm. That's what I wanted to mention
Yeah, and yeah having the laundry player and the whole square player is gonna make the bands a bit more difficult
Because they need to ban the meta heroes and the special heroes. They play kes mid on RC Y2. Yeah, like they have some
Yeah, it's interesting as well because obviously we saw the Kez statistics, most of that's from the carry position, but I don't know, after watching like Niko at Navi, like really show what you can do with Kez from the mid position, I didn't wonder if more people will start playing it.
And the nice talk.
Yeah, exactly. I mean, that was my pick on day one. We're going to talk about that when we get to play after that. Really thought that hero might be picked a bit more at this tournament, but it just hasn't happened yet.
And Richard, you mentioned the speed Venom.
Yes.
This is a classic. People have been banning it against gameleague and you've got to respect it.
You know what's crazy is I watched one of his recent vlogs last night which I would highly recommend.
Super cool. He's like documenting his entire life as a pro player of everything that he's doing.
It's really really cool. And he talked about like basically the hero completely changing and he was playing pubs
and he was playing like shit. He felt really bad. It wasn't working for him.
So he just he took the whole week. He only played Dota
He deleted every app from his phone that wasn't like Dota and Gmail and he just grinded pubs and
watched his own pubs
Every single day and he's he had you know this method where he would play like five or six pubs
Not some crazy amount
But he would spend like hours and hours replay reviewing himself and he was grinding the Venom and he said after like a couple of days
He kind of he kind of you know got the hero and you can
You can see that in the gameplay. It's like he's
He's very good at being in the most annoying place at the most annoying time
We're like if you are investing time into killing him. It doesn't really feel good. It's kind
You know we talked about nine class
It's kind of reminiscent of like the nine class the scope field type gameplay where it doesn't look right
But when you're in a game against it, you feel oppressed you feel really annoyed because this guy's doing something annoying
You have to stop him, but it doesn't feel good to stop him. I mean, I'll add to that as well
I think when he's at his best, it's like he takes a lane dominating
You know support does what he has to do
Like maybe gets in the jungle for a little bit gets that neutral item and then he just plays tempo when he plays slower stuff like Chen
The team just doesn't feel like it ticks the same way, you know, and he has a great one right on vinyl
And as I said, it's very hard to leave with a hero because
and he gets into this position, but he's denying your rune, he's blocking your camps, and if you
want to kill this Venom, he gets a lot of vision from the ward, so you most of the time have to
like use a smoke smoke together, coming from different positions, for those years to get in
those positions, you need time, you're just wasting effectively a lot of time from Venom.
I'll talk about Heroic just a little bit before we get into the draft, I'm very surprised they're
in this position. I love this thing. I love the way that they play Dota. When it works,
it looks so, so good. But I just think in terms of like, is it a mentality thing, Andrew?
They've just been a little bit off this event. I think Liquid is not a good matchup for them.
Like they got eliminated by Liquid in the previous Wulakia as well. So I think there's
There's a little bit of trauma there, I guess, where...
There always is. As a retired professional player, I can say there always is a history
that you get reminded of.
You're overthinking it instead of just playing normal Dota, and I feel like against Gamer
Legion, there's like this one, this one hurts, man.
This one really sucks, this matchup, because it's like the SA boys versus the NA boys.
These guys have been playing with and against each other for like a decade now, you know?
So they know each other incredibly well, no matter what, like a brother is going home.
And yeah, it's just, it's very, it's very sad.
But yeah, I think the matchup, I think the matchup against Liquid is just bad.
They probably feel a lot more comfortable against the game religion.
But there's a couple of, you know, historical potential things that could happen today, depending
on how things go.
The last time, actually the last time two SA teams made it to playoffs was season two
of Valkia, where three teams made it to playoffs.
then it's basically only been heroic making it to playoffs so South American
rejects could do something obviously we saw them win one time when they had the
party yeah yeah exactly and then the last time that NA made it to playoffs was
season two so long ago and it was and it was now and so the gamer legion is
is looking to really prove themselves here today and they have a secret
weaponry they've got Ty Long the prodigy I gotta say this players very
Impressive in my eyes, not only from professional Dora, but from pubs as well and looking at these heroes play this tournament. I
truly believe
He is not playing this potential
I'm not sure if it's if it's his call or the team's call
I can see my experience in pubs against him very recently. He does like playing this viper on the last pick
This cheese heroes a hot scar sometimes
but he shines a lot when he plays heroes like Buck, Ember Street, Storespid.
He's one of those guys that just makes the plays. He's a star player, he should be treated like one.
You literally have almost word for word, that was our criticism on the desk the other day.
Like you're putting them on Bristol back mid and it's just to do nothing hero.
And you've got this mechanically gifted prodigy, like even if it's not good for the draft,
give him a playmaking hero. That was basically our assessment.
He's had such great winners on these like flashy heroes that it's just a shame to see him play Bristleback and a Viper.
I mean the Viper is heroic, really like the Viper for some reason. They've been doing this in the last PGL Black year as well.
It is considered, I mean like Tyler himself says like he thinks it's good in a lot of matchups that maybe other pros don't agree with.
Yeah.
So it is like his specialty, it is his jam.
I think he has a very good partner too, on Yuma as well. Yuma is the carry for Tyloon.
He can play a greedy playstyle when he wants to, but he can also play the support type carry.
He helps the team and basically enables the supports to be able to play with Tyloon,
so they can just take control of the map and just basically put all your A's in one basket.
basket and that basket is my loop. Yeah. I mean you can see as well God that's just triggered me. I
remember the gyro cup to get. Yeah, that was horrible. That was rough. Yeah, they had like the
life stealer available against it. Yeah, that was that was that was rough. I really do believe that
like CAFs and that's maybe the team has fallen into like a bit of a pitfall when it comes to
the drafting where I know that having the vipers mid
and the bristles, there are just these convenient things
that you can fall into in the draft that make it easy to like,
ah, got you, we're gonna win all the lanes
or we flex this hero,
now all of a sudden we can get a better carry.
It's like, it works against the bottom tier teams.
And then when you start playing against teams
that are willing to pick nature's profit,
all of a sudden tempo of the game changes
That you know advantage that you got just doesn't exist anymore because the way that they're playing the game is is different
Like I do think it's something that will work against the the non like top six teams in the world
But heroic they they want top six like they are not going to be happy unless they're winning these tournaments
Especially given the potential they have now which I think they feel for sure right they know
No, Tai Lung is a star player.
It's just that they have to find a way of drafting where they're not shoe-horning him
into these heroes where he can't express his skill, but they're still getting 50-50 drafts
or advantages in the draft.
I was thinking he could also be Tai Lung that is just not feeling too comfortable, since
he's fresh.
True.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a good point.
It's probably thinking maybe I should just win the lane.
Maybe that's the biggest thing I can do, the biggest impact.
So give me Viper.
Yeah, you're laning against big names like Nisha and these God tier guys that the mid laners are all looking up to. Maybe there's a little bit of fear there.
I see as well Ghost gang a lot of respect in these early bans.
You gotta do, man.
The laundry has to come out as a ban, I feel, against Gamer Legion.
I truly believe he is the best laundry player of this tournament.
And the hoscar comes out again. Yeah, they heard me
The thailung hoscar that is it's so funny to
We all have this idea watching from the outside and then game religions looking at heroic
They're like the moment these guys pivot to giving thailung like some expression of skill
It's gonna get so much harder. Yeah, they know so they just ban it
It's like they feel they're gonna change their game plan and maybe just give thailung their respect it deserves
Yeah, that's really cool to see honestly. I
I hope they do. I really hope they do and the Alchem betrider bands. Whoa the classic
so far
With the hood wing I'm surprised the hood wing is getting banned. It's the old hood wing. That's crazy
It's very common pick this German, but
Kind of like just stable hero nothing very impressive. Yeah, I mean obviously
It's kind of really strong with some pairings, like we've seen it with the underlord for example.
They just absolutely crushed the lane, but yeah, it's worth a pan probably.
That's a theolicor respect right there.
The Beastmaster for speaking. I have not analysed Beastmaster games so far.
We've seen it quite a lot actually on the morning panel.
We got Alchemist and you got the Beast.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, for Gamer Legion, like they would actually play a lot of Beastmaster, they would play
RCY Beast or they would play Fade on Beast, like they think it's good in both positions.
For Heroic, probably more than likely they're carry, I would guess.
I mean, obviously Whisper can play it.
Oh, Whisper can play it, yeah.
And that's where I feel the hero shines as well on the offlane.
He's just a very strong laner in the difficult situation.
What do you think is the build on Offlane Beasts, is it like Dom2?
I feel like it's a very set build.
I feel like you have to go Dominator, which helps you take over the lane and the map.
And then if you really have a good game, you go Dominator too.
And if you feel like you can just chill and farm, your team is doing fine.
So everything's good.
I think you go Aghanem's.
And you transition into the Beasts we all know.
And Love, of course, for the last two years.
I hate the sagging of stuff there.
I gotta say I have a personal problem with Beastmaster. Me too. Me too. I have to.
Any of these egg and emceptors that are just pulsing and healing and damaging in an AOE, like Largo, same shit, it's like, get out of here with that, man.
And the classic Phoenix on the Emerald Legion side. It has to be just the support speed yet to lose with it, so...
I feel like it's like the hoodwink. These are the heroes available, you just pick it. They are the best options.
Yeah. Very casual. Doesn't really reveal much.
Like you said, we have seen speed on any non-Venom answer hero. We do question a little bit.
The pacing of the game or whatever, it looks a lot better on Venom, but Phoenix is not one of these heroes.
It barely ever gets through. He plays a very good Phoenix.
The one thing I'm surprised is why teams don't prioritize the pangol so much?
I feel like it's a great against Beastmaster, of course Beast has the roar during the roll,
but I feel like it doesn't affect you that much, and generally Pango is pretty good against
Beastmaster.
I feel like it's one of the best mid heroes to pick in this tournament, in this patch
in general.
We've seen people shine on it, and not all of them are off lane, but the mid lane Pango
is pretty good.
And they go for the Underlord, paired up with the Phoenix.
Yeah, I mean Rubik's out and that's been like the main thing that we've seen that blocks the Underlord a lot of the stuff that
Can lane against it I mean monkey still in the pool
The question is I mean Yuma monkey King is pretty damn good
Phoenix is kind of killing us stopping the monkey aggression early on but later
I love seeing this. This is so cool.
That's the king jungles, right? Yeah.
Especially at J-Zeus.
Go for that greedy enchantment. You go Ag, Ssangdinkai, you're just like full carry mode.
This is the hero you're support picks when he didn't get a core roll.
Yeah, yeah. Carry has the play support.
Yeah. Don't have to buy sentries. You have a lightning bolt, of course.
a lot of magical damage and potential with the Aghanims to have a global presence.
We saw this guy Grimstroke on the biggest losers at the Star Wars show, which surprised me.
I think he's looked really good in a lot of like pairings and combinations that we saw him absolutely
dumps to someone with the Batrider combo. It was like unbelievable, but yeah, it's win rate not that great.
And it's so far they don't have a good pairing or a good reason to pick it
Double I guess usually you pick it. Yes for a soul bind or for algorithms
And the third reason but not as good anymore because inks will dig in it was for the inks will write you put it on a guy
He runs in or he blinks in like a battery that you mentioned
So far
It's only double row I see but usually beast wants to start the fight anyways
Like they buy blink daggers so they can initiate with roar which doesn't put the game in like a good position to get a solo bind off
So I feel like they don't really have a good purpose for this year and it has bad stats
Not sure what they see in this year
And the game of Legion with a tiny classic carry
Just solid overall good lane
Guess that shadow blade timing with the eco saber suddenly the map closes up
that's so much damage man so much damage tiny is yeah he's just crazy
especially some squishy support like Zeus Grimstroke it's perfect it's a perfect
sale of one time you're one shotting these guys okay they go for the life
stealer that's a good answer to the tiny and the underlord I mean yeah even even
SD like sure you can purge the life stealer through his rage but I know
life stealer players really are fine with that because you can just press and
fast and they don't care because they're like
Yeah, so I'm a good solution for the egg as well because you can just pop rage and kill the egg
Yep, super good in lane against underlord too. I mean, maybe that's maybe not super good anymore
So I feel like underlord can just press Q on a wave and it'll push but lifestealers
Happy to free farm there. If you can get some like early items
You can probably leave them alone and he can zone an underlord
I mean the key thing about this match up my life to the underlord is
Underlord will always lose the 1v1 because if lifesteal gets low, then big left alone, he just hits a monster twice and due to how feast works, he gets too much HP back and he just doesn't care about the underlord. Eventually, he will push him out of the lane and just have free fun.
Yeah, which means King Jungle's on the big Zeus can rotate.
Yeah.
He's actually, okay, unironically, he's not bad at rotating anymore because...
But he's the four, right? Or am I mistaken?
Um, that's a good question. They might play KJ on Zeus as the five in the off lane.
They could switch the lanes, yeah. They could switch lanes.
They could switch it up. I mean, Big Num has been playing the Grimstroke usually, so maybe
it'll be like Fade, Beast, plus the Grimstroke in lane, and then KJ on the Zeus.
That's the other guys. The other guys are playing.
So it's gonna be Whisper, Whisper, Beastmaster.
The old Le Cor has been playing the Grimstroke.
So they are running it as a 4 as well.
King Jungle is just a classic 2-spare.
The Beast is still open.
If they want to put a Mid-Auroflake, they have to decide.
They don't have the last pick, unfortunately, for them.
But they can still decide what they want to put it for now.
Seeing the Kiz's band, Type 100 classic band,
I feel like Tide is generally one of the best offlaners right now, you could pick an agent as patch, yeah.
Yeah, Amal was saying that the other day when we interviewed him, he said it's one of the two here.
Tide, Tide, Bristol.
The thing is, you do need to see the carry. You can preemptively ban some carries, like Ursa and Sarka, I think, are very good against Tide.
So, if you don't see them, teams pick it that often.
Most of the teams right now are leaving their carry picks towards the end of the draft,
and by that time, as we can see, you pick your carry and it gets back.
Puck band respecting the RCY puck.
Yeah, I mean, it'd be a pretty bang-and-puck game.
It's like only grim silence. It's not really that big of a deal.
You can always face-shift dodge it. You can pretty easily face-shift dodge.
Antilung doesn't want it himself, just because there's an underlord that makes things hard, not very bad, but pretty annoying, and the tiny that's super-created in the pocket.
In general, from carry position, from mid position, yours has two stuns that you just, you can't buy items against it.
You can buy BKB and preemptively use it, but you will still get a stun off at some point.
I mean, there is like just a
Classic San King mid. It's just part of the losers of the tournament. It's fine. Yeah, it's not been doing well
I don't I I am not a huge fan of it
But it seems like this is a position where teams are still picking it, you know
But I agree it hasn't it hasn't looked that great
Especially into something like a Zeus that's like always going to be revealing you in the sandstorm
That's just never really a playoff for you to be in vision runaway
Give me legion ban the timbersaw. I do not like this ban
This hero has it's the worst hero in the world. They've been this tournament right now and
Just from judging from the ban. I feel like they're still respect. They're putting too much respect on this hero
Even though they have a tiny and underlord. I still feel like this here is not good enough
I'd be I would be more afraid of a whisper undying than a timber saw in like the same
You know same idea like some of the band the band does mean they're assuming
Heroic are gonna put Beastmaster on the mid lane unless they think somehow it's gonna be a timber mid
But I highly doubt that they probably banned it because they think it might be a mid-beast
Let's see what they do
They pick that boomer so it is a mid-beast
Any chance of seeing Tyloon pull out a mid-doo?
I don't know.
I could see it.
I mean, with that, they played Bristol.
Put it out there, just in case.
Get some bonus points here on my analysis.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
My prediction.
Yeah, no GoPro, brother.
Got to get those points, brother.
Got to win for the fences.
If it happens.
That's $100 if you're right, man.
Yeah.
Sent by Gabe, Gabe Books.
So, obviously Tyloon on Beast here.
How does Queen do against Beast?
It's like Queen, Beast is fine, right?
I think it's actually Beast's favorite.
Due to the nature of the hero with the boards and the axe spam,
Queen doesn't have a lot of HP, doesn't like.
But I mean, we don't even have to talk about it anymore because they just pick Storm.
It's a good matchup against Beast.
Yeah, something normal. I think Beast will farm, Storm will farm,
but Storm is very happy. You can kill the boards pretty easily if he's not careful.
How do you feel about storming to do?
Obviously, doom is a very good solution for the storm.
I think beast is actually pretty good against the storm in the game.
On the lane it's probably going to be pretty even.
I do think it fits their lineup though.
They needed this guy. They needed this
initiation right now.
Tiny is going to have a shadow blade, but he still will have a very hard time running into teamfights too.
Just how teamfights are played at centuries everywhere.
You know, heroes in front, maybe with the gem somewhere.
So Storm is gonna fix pretty much all the problems they've had up until this week.
It's a hard, a little bit of a hard game to get a read on, you know, anytime there's
like a weird pick, like a Zeus position 5.
I can tell you, Tiny against Lifestyle matchup, it's gonna go really bad for Tiny if the game
goes late, and same for Storm against Beast and Doom, it's gonna go pretty bad. I feel like they
They have very good tools on heroic today with game religions heroes. I feel like game religions
It's not a big time actually. There's definitely a strong like early to mid game timing for gamer Legion though where
Like beasts is still farming you can smoke with storm, you know catch catch the beast
You have the underlord like pipe timing coming out
Tiny also pretty good early like like you said late game life-sealer will shred at my serve doing pieces
It's hard to be lagging and
Gemalison as I said, yes, they do have a timing with the pipe
They have this Shadowblade timing on Tiny as well. He needs to find the kills. Yeah for sure
I think the laning favors heroic a bit more. I think the doom is the only ones might have a problem on the lane
Coming off the laning stage. I will definitely favor a heroic
I'll bring in our commentators and see what they think there they are
Appropriately we've bought Sun's Fan and Cinder and back. Sun's Fan's here to witness the death of NA Dota. How do you feel?
No stains yet on my shirt. So I mean, it's the important thing
Yeah, you actually have managed to get food in your mouth today, which is a modern miracle
But how do you know about the match in general guys? It's not what Shannon thinks Richard says if he thinks
That's a great question. I'll let you take it away. We can get into the action anyway gentlemen. Yeah, I
I
On that account I'm a little bit worried for your Shannon, but you've got a you've got a chance to prove yourself here
Do you think?
Sometimes therefore you are
As we get into game number one between gamer Legion and heroic
elimination series
Cinder man
Game religion has been here before that get off to a good start at the tournament and then just come up
fairly short, will that happen again or will NA reign supreme or will heroic who
I mean feels like they're a bit inconsistent but when they're on man
they look really really good. There's a couple of things in this draft that I
think are pretty interesting. First of all, game religion just chose to pick, I
want to call it a blind underlord almost. They didn't know any matchups except
What was it, Zeus and Beastmaster?
I guess the Zeus is kind of a nice matchup with Pipe,
I suppose, but the, actually, no, wait.
What is that pose?
Oh, what's happening here?
Maybe I'm even remembering the order wrong
and Underlord might have been picked into only Beastmaster.
I think it was Beast first pick,
and then, yeah, the tradeoff was Phoenix into Underlord.
Yeah, so they didn't see anything.
And the reason I'm highlighting this is that
I think this hero is susceptible to being countered
when it's picked very early in drafts.
And I think this is a really difficult Underlord game.
You're gonna be laning into Life Stealer,
which is a bad matchup.
You're gonna be playing against Doom,
which is super annoying,
percentage-based damage from Doom and Zeus.
And you're pretty slow and sluggish,
so you can very easily become one of the targets
of Soulbind together with allies
when you go through the fiend's gate, et cetera.
I thought this was gonna be the most obvious
Life Stealer pick of all time,
and Heroic didn't use a single second
of bonus time on it either.
Like, you're getting ridiculous matchups here.
Underlord, good laning matchup. Phoenix, you're one of the best carries against you. You can remove Fire Scourge and kill the egg.
You're good against Tiny on a carries carry basis. So, I just...
I don't know, for me it's a bit of a miss in this draft from Gamer Legion in the second phase.
And for them, I hope that R.C.Y. can have a pop-off game on Storm, because I genuinely think it's necessary, uh, in order for them to win.
I think if he just does alright, I'm 100% on board with what Wee-Haw was saying about scaling and about hero matchups overall.
I just think heroic have a better just in a better spot
Okay, so Yuma at a major advantage according to you. Yeah, I would say so in about
Less than a minute Yuma will fall in battle if he dies to shadow demon under lord level one
I will leave the room
And not now I'm ready for it. You can you can have this castle. I'll go get we ha and he'll join you
Okay, I'll take a break. I refuse. I refuse to watch
The life stealer dies level 1 here.
I'll give him to level 2 to keep that bed.
God, it'll be funny tonight.
Taking some firestorm damage, you can see how much damage Fade can do to Yuma,
despite the apparent very hard counter that is life stealer.
I mean, this is the...
These are the two minutes of the lane that are good for Underlord, it's right in the beginning.
And they're the most important in the game, Cinder, as we've learned so many times before.
Uhhh...
I mean, last time Ghost died twice in the first three minutes, the game was over at that point.
You know fair if you have kill power then
Absolutely speaking of ghosts does not get his loan through it, but they'll be playing the tiny which has been
I want to say the most popular carry that we've been casting maybe yeah overall in the tournament as well
It is the carry of the tournament for sure
After I mean I say that that's because loan drew it and sometimes also more to our band a lot
so this guy
seems to make it through and
And that was an insane radiant win rate, if you didn't notice. That was 9-1 on radiant.
I don't want to read too much into that, but the discrepancy between the sides on that pick was actually quite big.
That in conjunction with the Cinder and Curse, looking pretty good for gamer leisure, yeah?
They needed Cinder, and because they've fallen short so many times before...
And the NA Dota needs someone to root for him.
So the panel was saying this and I echoed the same sentiment yesterday with Tylon that
this could actually be a kill on Tuzus, let's see he doesn't have a jump.
Oh yeah, that's the double root and KJ takes a tumble, Bicknum gets first blood on the
SD.
That's a good start, that's the guy up here that you have a chance of killing at this point.
They find him and isolate him at the right time.
I was going to say, I'm happy to see Tylong playing this hero.
I think Heroic after yesterday will be revising their overall approach to mid, I think.
I feel like at this point there's just enough data that suggests to them that Tylong should
just be playing playmakers.
And there's many different ways you can do that.
You can play Spirit Heroes, obviously, but Beastmaster, you can play heroes that scale
very fast or heroes that move a lot more.
I don't mind either, I'm finding him on Beastmaster, I'm finding him on Ember without Flameguard
and having less net worth than making more plays.
I just think this guy's repertoire is very wide, and the most nerfed version of him I
see is also something like Bristleback, which he did play yesterday as well.
Just don't think that, I think.
How does the Doom look this game, for a heroic?
Um, he's very good.
Percentage based damage into Tiny and Underlord, so Infernal Blade will be a very powerful ability.
You have Doom with Soulbind.
You doom any two heroes, it doesn't matter who.
Like, a Soulbind Doom is generally a teamfight win.
So that's really powerful.
Obviously, against Storm, he's the dream Doom target that you can in some cases choose to hold Doom for.
I think most of the time he's just gonna doom any key hero he can get right away like doing Phoenix for example
I'm doing it but it's also great
Fade getting going on down the pit of malice
We'll have to just stand his ground knowing that he shall fall here
disruption a little bit too late
I say that I feel that turn this around into a one-for-one, but
Support goes down for heroic here
It's RCY out of lane completely at the moment and the boars are gonna hound him
Yeah, this is not a good lane matchup for storm. I heard we have say that this is a lane that storm draws
Which every bone of my body is telling me is true, but every time we watch this Beastmaster wins, so I just
That's don't lie Shannon. I never see Beastmaster loses lane
I think the storm drawing this is probably I mean either the couple of games we've seen the matchup
This storm has just been outplayed
But it just doesn't really seem like storm can deal with the boars and the to be fair we ha
Full-time mid player. Yeah, thinks that he can win every lane right game for eliminate elimination on the line at TI
Digital chaos. What do they pick?
That's right. How did that go? Yeah, did he win his lane though? I doubt it. Okay. Well
That's really unfortunate if you're running slot me then losing your lane. You've probably made a mistake. I
Don't remember any I I was in a rage at that point, you know, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. Okay
As we as we know you you deserve better than a second place of course that's right you were the best. Yes
Do I'm gonna get triple teamed here with the shadow demon rotation
Whiskers a bit of trouble avalanche is there and
Be able to find the right clicks to finish the job to big num
Takes it home. Meanwhile, RCY gets gank. So that's a really big kill for heroic
Kind of trading there three for a two that was without war
So when he returns to lane now, Tai Lung has a potential play with a plus one here to kill him again
Worth noting by the way doom chose to eat the ghost creep
So he has a very strong slow on attacks, which makes this match up quite lopsided actually into the tiny
It's very hard for times to trade back. It's time for six minute power room
Everybody groups up bot and of course that means it's top where it's oracle when you need him
Tell you where the runes are
All right. Well, he can definitely get some good value out of this in this room is
Babe getting gone on again only a matter of time here
We'll put the firestone down to get a little bit of farm as he works towards his soul ring
But you ma gonna get some nice max HP out of that kill be very happy with things here
I mean, Underlord CS is not bad, but I just think this lane is becoming uninhabitable at this point, more or less.
He did rush FaZe boots on the Underlord, so he doesn't have, let's say, Vanguard, which I think is the best item.
If you're strictly looking to be able to farm against Life Seal in lane, I think Vanguard is the best choice.
Oh boy, Fade. Oh no.
Oh, Tylong Envies looking for the high ground potential.
Actually gets spotted, but the destruction comes out.
Try to slow them down.
Another pit activation.
Four members of Heroic are here.
The diving coming from Speed.
He gets roared right off the top of that, though, as Tylong infested.
So gets backed up to a respectable amount of HP.
Speed takes the tumble first and Fade left all alone, essentially, although RCY finally joining the party.
Tylong staying alive just barely gets the kill onto Fade.
They will lose one in the form of a Zeus.
Both supports, in fact, is RCY cleaning a very nicely triple kill for the storm, and they get the shrine,
ends up working out really well for game religion, despite not having the numbers initially.
There's a couple of things there that are absolutely crucial.
Storm is showing up at level 5, which first of all, I think most players wouldn't even be there.
But RCY chose to come over and offer what he could, even without his ult.
He gets the kill on Zeus, which levels him up, and then he takes the wisdom as well, so he's level 6.
We're gonna see the replay here. First of all, this is a I like this play from heroic a lot recognizing the fact that storm is weak
So you want to try to just exploit this and a nice infest play will keep things nice and healthy here
So look at our CY in the bottom right. So he's gonna come in here. He's level five. He's pretty weak
He's getting silenced and zoned out if King jungles doesn't die here after the fade kill
So this is going to give our CY level six
Oh, and then he also got the wisdom anyway, but yeah immediately on this level up
He has more or less a full pool of mana since he didn't have ult coming in.
He is able to chase through and make that more or less an even exchange at the end of the day.
I don't know, I wouldn't call that even.
R.C.Y. was struggling a bit and now he's not, so...
Yeah, it's really... for him it's super, super once I did it.
Yeah, for the overall scope of the game, it's... I'm with you.
It's probably better for Gamer Legion with how the gold is distributed,
but it wasn't like a massive swing of any kind.
Right.
But it was very big for Storm.
Which is good news, because as we've established, this is the type of game that Storm needs to do very well in,
and with the lane going poorly and getting ganked, he kind of needed this to happen, so...
Very good news for Rxy, who will complete his treads as a result.
Yeah, for Heroic.
the life stealer gonna be going for the radiance no big surprise into the
armlet which has been kind of the go-to in this tournament so far pretty
standard and doom opting for phase boots into drums and then also standard
obviously the beasts and acceptor so pretty much cookie cutter across the
board for heroic I'm curious to see I think the hero in this game that has the
most variety and it's built potential on heroic side is the Zeus where if you're
You're playing 5 Zeus you can technically, in theory, buy almost anything after Arcane
boots.
You can buy Solarcrest if it's really good for your carry.
You can buy 4 Staff Glimmer.
You can look to get Greedy and either buy a Shard so you can just farm a lot and get
Ags plus Refresher or...
Yeah, last time he got it off of the Tormentor and then his farm was out of control.
With the Greedy enchantments and all that good stuff, it turns into kind of a semi-core
in a way.
He does.
And this is a cool pick to see from Heroic because they're the only team running it.
We've had a lot of games now, and the heroes 1 and 0, and we got to cast that game.
Which was yesterday.
So he went weighted dice on this.
That's interesting.
Yeah.
Um, okay.
It is better now.
It is better, for sure.
It's telling a story though when you pick this item on a support.
He's here to right click creeps.
I think so.
And what do you think of Zeus as a support in general?
I feel like you have to be kind of greedy in order to get any value out of it.
Which is what they do obviously.
Yeah. I think it has specific
pairings that are really cool. Like there are heroes that are missing the last
little bit
to kill with like Thunder God's Wrath obviously.
At an elite level I also think Thunder God's Wrath can be incredibly powerful for
breaking smokes. So that's one upside this hero has that nobody else really can do.
It's just always, if you have to have a hunch the enemy team is smoking, you can always find them.
And now it also deals damage through smoke, which it didn't use to.
So that's a pretty meaningful buff.
You could also get the S, the spirit. God, what is it called? The new item? The real smoke.
There's two ways to do that now. Something essence-sir. Essence distiller.
Essence distiller is the word.
Very good
Yeah, what do I think about the hero? I think it's I think it's decent. I think
It's the Alacor looks to be dead. It's tossed back by a ghost
It's very exploitable in certain lane to lane matchups, but hero I have not run into them yet
Zeus is
Kind of helpless against true lane bullies if he gets if they get on top of him
It can be really hard to deal with I know you've got heavenly jump which helps, but there are just some very bad matchups
He might be forced out, already about to rage, we'll have to infest into KJ now, RCY using a good amount of mana to catch up, we'll just have to walk away now.
Yeah, excited to see from the heroic side if they're going to be able to pull off these double dooms, double roars.
I mean, the Ink's well seems to be, it's very good for the lifestealer and the doom, specifically.
And Beast too, I mean, it's pretty good friends, I would say.
Yeah.
Beastmess are probably the worst of them, because he's the one who needs it the least, but it's also a very reliable combo, roar into the top of the stun, so, quite nice.
And unsurprisingly, in this current game-state, lowest net worth of the course is going to be the Underlord.
That shouldn't come to the surprise of many people here, given the lane-message with Slycealer, and the overall way this early game went.
So what do you want to see itemize for him then if you're saying it's not a good matchup?
Is it just an Aurobat?
Are you focused more on getting a quick axe to get global initiation?
Yeah, I
Oh boy from the high ground gets the roar and there's the phantom's embrace big kill for heroic
Getting tipped by Yuma. I'm assuming he had he made it just made a map read
It's like we should go here as strong as going to be farming this camp and he was right
I mean, I think, just looking at this, I feel like this is a pipe game for Underlord, right?
You're against Zeus, you're against Beastmaster, he's obviously going to go aggs in mid, but
he's going consecrated raps first.
Oh, selfish boy!
Yeah, that's very, I don't know, it offers you a good amount of protection against Light
Slifers, it doesn't help your teammates very much, it's going to go shard after for the
upgraded Firestorm, which is very nice to be on Stormstrike, so that makes sense, but
But I don't know, I would have personally liked to see a pipe more.
I think pipe plus Crimson is not good here, really, are not that good anyway.
So we could just get pipe eggs, I think that would be fine.
We'll see if these wraps pay off.
Not too inspired by it.
I'm really just going to know the smoke here.
Looking to get Ghost involved somewhere else on the map.
Can they close the gap though?
They spot him.
I don't think they can burst him with these three heroes.
Oh my goodness, the speed on that raid was insane.
They outnumber him, but he's just going to jump inside the old core
who gets the Soulbind onto two,
and look at the damage onto both the Tiny and the Underlord.
Speed's egg does force everybody back to the Tiny being,
but now they're going to try to reinitiate.
Adelaide should try to slow off Whisper with the Tree Toss as well.
The Tiny just barely getting away right now as RCY does take out Ty Long,
And there's the doom that should finish the job, although deny now close call there ends up being a one for two
It looks like it was gonna go really well for heroic
That's a super important placement of the pit of malice do I understand how anybody had that quick react. That's insane
How if you're I mean you gotta be okay?
So if you're playing if you're playing carry and you're just hitting jungle creeps as lifestealer
There's nothing else you need to focus on than the map state, and if there's 4 or 5 enemy heroes missing, your finger is on rage, and if you see anything in your hero's proximity, you just instantly pop it, right?
Because you're like, that's the only possible reason they would be going there would be to gank him.
So he has nothing else to play with.
But it's avalanche, so...
Yeah, well, if you give him like a fifth of a second, which is probably the amount of time Tiny needs to react and cast as well, you're gonna see the replay here.
Oh, okay. This is after they got cast.
Um...
Right. By all means, it was a fast reaction, but it wasn't, like, ridiculous, given the circumstance.
It was ridiculous. Give him credit, you old man.
Yep.
You can't do that.
That was insane. No, that's because I don't pay attention to something else.
That's because I'm stupid. That's why.
That's right.
That's like a slacks argument. What is that?
A little bit too deep to that. There was Ghost.
We'll be taken out by Yuma.
Jumps inside the doom as RCY spent most of his mana and now he gets roared whisper in the area as well
And they're just gonna jump out and blow up the storm. That's two core kills
It's heroic looking very good right now. Yeah, so the their attempt on life sealer failed. They did get a trade
Mainly courtesy of the pit of malice there that prevented the doom from running left and getting a double doom on soul vine
But this is much much bigger
finding the two cores plus the Roche and this is an early Roche so you can also
get the Tormentor for your team.
Phoenix trying to be annoying here, Yuma will act as...
Okay, nice firestorm, maybe we can snipe Roche somehow.
He's doing a lot of damage, Tyler getting pretty low but we'll get the Aegis and the Roche kill as
Fade gets a nice hit onto two heroes as Whisper might be the one that gets
It's isolated. The firestorm should be enough with the fire spirits.
And indeed it is. Thailong. It's going to be life number one already, expended it is.
So Gamer Legion doing a very good job of contesting this.
And now the surround tactics, they get the toss and they get the kill onto Thailong.
Didn't look that promising from Gamer Legion, but they really made it work.
Got a lot of poke damage out of the fire spirits and the firestorm.
And then suddenly the enemy team has buttered up for Storm to come through and got some cleanups.
some cleanups so that worked out better than I thought it would it wasn't like
with the tower obviously this is going to be advantage gamer legion if they get
it for free that is. Goma's in there.
We'll get out.
Hi. Solid play there from game
allegiance to contest as you mentioned and this means now that you've got the
ages out of the hands of heroic it's also way more likely that you could be
looking for trouble at the Tormentor in two minutes. That fight is exceptionally
hard into an Aegis beast but without it, it's a lot more probable that the
game religion interested. And that was also a cool play in that situation. They
used the fiendscape back in the face to bring heroes in.
Whisper, he gets gone on now. He's done. Bignum gets the kill. I mean they do have a
Good lineup for fighting in a condensed area so tormentor and Roche you got the egg you got the
Yeah firestorm and whatnot pit whereas heroic not a we based really
But they're just stronger at the moment or rain at the moment, maybe it's just even
You can see the carries not too far from each other in the network, but the lights see their matchup like you said
Oh, ghost. Very good.
A nice avalanche. Just out of range.
They will clean up this tier one though.
Yeah, should be interesting to see what they do in the next minute with this Torment of Timing.
Given the hero matchups, this does feel once again like a solid game-state for Heroic.
Okay, they spot it.
Yeah, they dropped it.
He jumped that Emily jump. Now he used it before.
Sure did, and then he's dead.
Easy cleanup for...
Oh!
to find another pick up on the tie-long, Bade comes in with the fiend's gate, gets roared
and just watches Beastmaster die.
Well, the hero matchups don't really matter if you just get jumped every time.
You don't get to leverage the strength of what your heroes are capable of doing.
It's really nice from Gamer Legion finding these picks and just mentioned this is Storm
in a nutshell, right?
You want to jump, get these clean kills and get out without any trade and it's been what's
been happening recently for RCY. Tormentor's coming up now. Let's see if heroic fans in
themselves have smoked for this. Now they have a blink for Ghost. He's been kind of
biting his time in these fights to get close enough to get the avalanche, but now he can
start it himself. Tired of getting stopped by Zeus, I would imagine. When you have the
Shadowblade, you can always get found by the ult. You can get bolted out. Alright, they're
Alright, they're gonna go straight to the Tormentor. This would be a huge pick up for them, but the smoke on the way
Even if they kill this will it be for free. They will take it
Oh, they're finding RCY. RCY? He gets silenced
And that should be a kill. They even use doom. Not sure if it was needed, but better safe than sorry
It will be the trade for the Tormentors. Bignum gets cleansed, which for this game against open wounds
against Infernal Blade
I guess technically Axe is debuff, the slow from, uh, not Ink's swell, the stroke.
It's mostly good against open wounds, right? I think that's the biggest spell here.
Nothing too crazy though, I guess, to arm's off.
That's decent. And it's a heal. So, you know, it's just always good.
But that was a very good trade-out, say, for Gamer Legion, considering you got the Tormenter, you lost your storm, which sucks,
But looking at the big picture, this was a tormentor that I think Heroic were likely to be able to take themselves.
So if you think of it in those terms, the relative swing here is very big of getting that at the expense of one storm.
Now, going to look for a fight themselves.
KJ spotted.
And he is dead.
He's going grieves on the Zeus, which is interesting.
We were talking about how this hero can buy whatever he wants, basically, after arcane's.
I'm not sure how much I'm feeling grieves as to that choice this game.
If you want a defensive item, I think Glimmer goes a long way against the Radiant line-up.
I think even 4-step is very nice against Underlord, against Storm, against tiny, just repositioning heroes.
Seems like it would save them a lot more than just a little heal from the grieves, so that's a bit surprising to me.
Maybe he wants it for the added benefit of being able to dispel Pit of Malice so he can jump,
since that's been part of how he's died.
But I just think if you look at what is going to happen
down the stretch here,
you're way more likely to get killed by Tiny and Storm
than you are by Underlord.
And Greaves aren't gonna help you.
You're just gonna die before you get them off.
So I actually think it's, I don't like that pick here.
I just think it's like a,
I'm not gonna say it's a wasted slot,
but it's not good value in my eyes compared to the Glimmer.
But let's see, now he gets to jungle,
but no shard for him this time.
Yeah, that's true.
That would have been a nice one for him.
I'm trying to remember what he went the last game with Kat.
I felt like it was more greedy and less team-healthy.
I think he went one item before Axe, right?
I'm trying to remember if it was Climber or a force.
And he did get gifted, obviously.
I think he got the shard from the Tormentor, yeah.
I think he's very telling if you buy it now,
which doesn't seem to be the plan for KJ.
Still, in spite of the problems that Heroic have had in the last few minutes, where things
have gone very well for Game Illusion, I still think they're in a pretty good position overall.
The economy looks fine, the right heroes have net worth, two crippling crossbows here,
also interesting health restoration reduction against Phoenix, and for additional slow of
course.
Now that this item, it's funny how this item used to be a Tier 4, and then it got nerfed,
but it's not much worse than when it was a Tier 4, right?
Not much as Ghost actually blinks into KJ unknowingly, soulbind onto two, double open
wounds, that's going to be the death of the Shadow Demon, and Ghost is likely next to
the party, gets the toss off though, and now it's Ghost versus two supports, he still dies
though as the doom applied to the Underlord and there's the cancellation a third kill in this fight
for heroic and might be more no dive to speak of speed are you going to pop the egg probably not
worth okay oh you get the fire spirit off so we'll be enough to survive and now rc y can go kill the
creep that's not even do that yeah so um we didn't talk about this yet but Zeus does a lot of damage
with soul blind because every time you cast art lightning you cast it twice and
if there's two heroes it's gonna bounce between them right so double arc double
bolt and then also the cores of course as the bigger matchups but massive massive
output when they get those exact conditions that they just found there
and this is of course this is a Zeus without items so in terms of offense if
If you were to buy, like, say, Spell Amp or, of course, the Aghanim's, this becomes a lot more...
Yeah, Aghanim's is actually more synergistic than you'd think with Soulbind, because they're trying to run away and it just stops them in their tracks at least temporarily.
It's pretty damn good.
Just whisper, opting to go for Blinknex to get a little bit of extra initiation for Heroic.
Yeah, pretty standard against Storm in particular, I think RCY will be considering potential
Linkens he did by BKB first.
Well considering they don't have pipe on their team, I feel like the cores need to get BKB
this game.
It's just if you get both BKB and Linkens, do you actually have enough output though?
Because I don't think this is a game where Tiny is going to just be that insane presence
that just goes in and mauls people because his matchups are just too bad, right?
Life Stealer plus Doom makes it very difficult to initiate and there's always the threat
of you getting roared.
But sure, it doesn't last as long as it does in other heroes with your statuses, but it's
enough for everything else to connect on you.
So I'm a little bit concerned about damage for Gamer Legion if Storm goes Linkins and
And if he doesn't, well, he could get blinked doomed at any point, so he has to be really,
really careful.
And roared.
Speed is...
There's a very valuable link in the game.
About to die here, nice Thunder God's Wrath.
Attempted TP, instantly bolted.
Phoenix will die this time.
It's a good death.
It's a smoke break and his storm gets out.
And a shadow demon.
So, oh, that was actually very close.
KJ with a nice attempt, fishing for a TP cancel.
So Fade went Raps and now BKB, by the way, on Underlord.
So very, very tanky, but not a whole lot of Dimash.
I just... Okay, if you're picking this hero second...
And it's nothing to help your team.
If you're picking this hero second in the draft, and I mean, credit to Heroic for obviously putting him in this pressure position.
I just don't rate this hero that high if you're doing this item build.
I think it then it's just not that good right like part of what makes underlord a powerful hero is when you do get to
Go your aura stacking and play a mid game timing and you've bought none of them. So
Like yeah, you have a bit more staying power yourself when you pop you give you you can stand and hit but I just think your hits
Don't matter enough like you're not enough of a threat damage wise
His main contribution to fights right now is a nice pit of malice and then hopefully getting a fire storm off on the storm
spirit when he jumps in
For some extra damage there or on the tiny of course, right big moment here for gamer Legion. This needs to work
Yeah, they're falling more and more behind by the minute 6k deficit pretty inferior position here
if the smoke were to break though heroic have really really good high ground formation, so
Game religion wisely are not walking up that path, but then as a result they're not even going to connect
I think with this most bit of wasted time heroic or
We're well aware this should be happening. Zero heroes have shown on the map for like 30 seconds of game alligeon, all the way if we're just stable, so they will patiently be waiting here among the trees.
Yeah, and this is going to be a Roche fight as well, if they stick around.
I'm Yuma. Oh, he's very close to Agni-Bseptor, so 80 gold away.
Do you like it here?
I feel like it's unnecessary. I think it could just go bigger items like offensive just high stats
threatening items like I mean this is something though in a way if you actually use it on enemies
Excuse me abyssal
Yeah, I just think his matchups are so good that I don't think he needs to infest an enemy hero
I think you should just stand and deliver enough
We'll see
Yeah, you're talking to the wrong guy. I buy acts literally every game on this hero
So the games that I like it the most is where you have one or two core matchups that are tricky
And you can use it to fight or but
Spot a bit of malice to open things up. There's the zip from RCY keeping his distance. They get the support
tie-long
For a potential opening you have HP, but of course with that actually goes inside his teammate, but we'll heal up
Pops right out right on top of under lord with the open wounds now is fade
He'll be able to walk away and he'll just kind of isolate now, has to use rage.
Kind of a weird fight here for Heroic and they even use the buyback on the Theolicor.
This is nicely navigated by RCY, finding the kill, getting away from being doomed, but here's the play-go-line.
Yeah, completely isolated, tries to get away, it's not happening.
I think the fight just ends here, he's down for 60, no buyback.
Yeah, that's probably Roche.
I feel like we've seen this a few times
When casting gamer legion where ghost is all alone and the rest of his team not connected and it gets punished so hard
They're actually sticking around
Getting fast again. I'm gonna try to take advantage of this in fast bomb on to speed
Down goes to phoenix again and now surely this is
The roche for heroic. That was a really good timing on the camera shot of big num
He just shook his head and tp'd left to the left side of them. I was like, what are we doing guys?
I guess maybe they were sticking around there a little bit late just so that Roche will
Move over. Yeah, maybe that buys them enough time for a tiny to potentially that's true
20 seconds is not long here
So maybe they can think about a round number two, but you're a hundred percent right
This is not the first time we've seen ghosts have this happen to him when he's playing the shadow blade tiny and I
I feel like maybe a little bit too optimistic to just try to shadowblade your way in there.
That could easily be pretty close centuries. You're playing against Zeus who might just randomly ult or bolt.
We've seen this before as well. The Gamer Legion very good in the pit area. They have everything.
Eggs still available for Phoenix as they walk. They're gonna have to take their outposts.
So, Heroic, at the very least know that this is happening. You must still go in for Roche though.
And it's getting quite low. Now it's smoked from Gamer Legion, Kaja's gonna be there to pop it.
And Yuma might be able to just get this without any actual contest. It's gonna be close. There's the Zippin, it's not enough.
Oh now the roar on the Storm is fighting BKB, gets disrupted. Now the egg comes out and actually life number one for the Life Stealer.
Trying to kill the egg, it's not gonna happen Whisper. You do not have to attack me for that.
Now the pit on top of Yuma gets off the infest on to RCY. Where does he want to put him?
He cannot decide where to go. Zips up to the high ground, but that's where Whisper resides with the scorched earth.
So down goes the storm spirit.
Ghost able to find a distance to get out. Speed. Oh, actually they do spot him.
Harpoon attempted TP should be fine.
Speed not so much.
A good attempt, just a quarter of a second late on the zip.
It makes the world of difference.
They do get the Aegis, they get rid of it at the very least in a way, immediately, but it does cost them a bit.
It's absolutely a net loss though, right? You have so many heroes on the sidelines here, the Aegis, yes it gets expended,
but if they pulled off that play and somehow Yuma didn't get the Aegis, I think that could have been a full-on turnaround of the game for Game Religion.
That's dead Vayne
So so dead no TP that would have been noticed one way out. Although Tylong was nearby
And now it's going to be the bastard for you to a pistol. Yeah, probably gonna use that to deal with the storm
So we're gonna see the replay here
It's a little bit too late from Yuma or excuse me from
Tylong RCY close enough. I'll get it right
Yeah, they were thinking about destroying the egg
but Whisper obviously can't do it alone and Tylong was a little bit too far away still.
R.C.Y. is moving his whole way.
I mean he's doing exactly what he has to do. This was the best play. If he jumps too early,
Leif's just going to jump out when he has no mana. So he has to wait for the infest to almost run
out and then jump. But Whisper was ready to follow through on Doom.
Imagine if Ghost didn't get away here either. That would have been really, really bad. But at
at least they didn't have any stuns left to deal with that.
That might change when Zeus is picking up this item.
So now I have a global TP cancel,
grabs himself, the Nimbus is going for E on disc.
I really like this purchase here.
You're playing against Storm and Tiny
who realistically will not be getting nullifiers.
So the negative way of thinking is,
well, they have demonic purge, they can just purge you.
But what about every other circumstance
so that it's not happening.
Shadow Demon is generally going to be backlining
because he needs to protect his core,
so he's not going to purge offensively.
And I think this is a mindset that a lot of pub players
fall into where you look,
it's very easy to think about the negatives.
And I like to say that when you're itemizing in Dota,
I think it makes a lot of sense to think about
what positive things can happen to.
So this is good in every situation
you're not demonic purged.
I think this is the best item.
And in every situation where you are demonic purged,
it's the worst item.
So, you look at how often is that going to happen, not very often, that makes it a very good purchase.
And, it's also why sometimes you see, let's say you're playing Storm Spirit and you're playing against Doom and you never buy Linkins in the entire game.
I think there's some games where that's good and some where it's bad. He's going to buy it here, which I think is good. He's also against Roar, so it makes a lot of sense.
But sometimes you want to itemize for all the good things that you can do and that your teammates can do and not always worry about
What if the enemy does everything perfectly because they're playing their game if you're playing defense too much then you have not enough for offense
Right that is you're like the San Antonio spurs of late 90s and early 2000s very boring to watch
Yep, you know whatever
You got to be more like the Suns, high octane offense Cinderance, and never win a championship.
And disappointing.
You got to be disappointing.
You never win with that mentality, unfortunately, especially when things are rigged.
The NBA.
That's right, yeah.
We all know that.
Oh, okay.
Ty Long.
Speed trying to be cute.
Oh, mid-flight, dead.
He was successful in being cute, but he didn't get the wisdom.
I see why. Well, now he knows there's no roar, so he probably feels a little bit more comfortable being in this neighborhood.
I still feel like this is a little bit crazy, like the risk reward of this.
I'll farm some couriers.
He's trying to cut a wave.
On the off chance that he somehow walks into doom, this would be a total disaster.
Not gonna happen.
He's about to finish his link into his fate.
Fade.
Dead again?
Into oblivion.
His item build has done, in my eyes,
In my eyes, basically nothing, this game.
I don't think it's really mattered that he had Raps or BKB,
because you're effectively giving Heroic a choice
in teamfights, they can ignore him.
Which usually with Underlord, you kinda need to deal with him
if you wanna get rid of the Auras, you need to kill him first.
But he doesn't have Auras, so what if you just
hit other heroes?
He's a walking Firestorm with a bit of a balance here
there. Not exactly the potent in my opinion. There is the agatom scepter for big numb.
Yep. That could be big numb numb numb. It's the infest inside of whisper they get the tier three
pretty easily. Just banner is keeping the siege creeps alive so if uh if game religion don't do
do anything they're gonna lose racks by defaults. Whisper feeling confident with
his 5000 health that's a nice and fast bomb right there.
Full to see him run the octaurine here on the doom so three second cooldown
infernal blade. You can't aggro as a congratulations of the deep right on top
of RCY it's not enough close. Obviously can't go for the doom because of the
Lincoln's although technically could pop out on life stealer and
Open wounds that off. I think they were just a little bit too slow actually think the execution was there
It's didn't press their buttons fast enough. Well, the banner is down. So the siege creeps will eventually fall now
heroic blank playing very disciplined. I mean feels like
They've had the ages twice. It's been it goes away instantly. So they haven't really had the opportunity to just like
sit back and use one life for one of these sieges so playing it very very
safe right now. They do have an additional advantage coming to the next
fight now though with Tylong picking up the Amplify Damage Rune if he doesn't
get demonic purge this is going to he's gonna hurt like hell. I really like his
choice of going Bloodthorn next here. Super strong this game great synergy
with the lifestealer and it allows him to jump one hero and potentially silence
a secondary so if he blink roars and he's quick he can maybe orchid the
shattered demon to prevent the counter play of course in every situation he
finds heroes on the map just uses it.
Mimbitz just off the mark ghost will be able to get out,
Numa jumps right out of the doom focusing on the big nun can't finish the job
though the Tostak on the whisper but there goes the doom that is a disaster.
Ghost will die, storm spirit well you get the disruption to hold him off for just a
bit but it is not going to be enough and that's two cores dead without Bioback
infected three members without Bioback after Gamer Legion. These buildings
shall melt. Hey it's Ogre. We waited for it Cinder and we got the double doom. Yeah
pretty much perfect he's so bound with Storm to the other hero and the other
hero gets doomed and he does as well and yeah that's all she wrote I think this
This is, at the very least, Megas.
You have a beast with AC.
This doesn't take very long.
Yuma really loves to just sit inside
ally heroes for extended periods of time.
He's drawing himself, drawing a little break.
As the Abyssal coming.
Yeah, they're just splitting their attention out
to both sets, top and bottom.
And like you said, this will certainly be Megas.
I mean, at this point, they can be 100% confident
Not buybacks on course. Otherwise, they would have used them to try to hold the first two sets. So this is
Maybe to give us for the opportunity of potential blink in very good
They'll be back up in 10 seconds so they can't quite finish the job here
I'm really surprised. Why did Tylon go to farming the job? I don't know
I don't know why not just get the mega is just left
Fan of edging I guess okay, that's one possible conclusion. You sure about that
I mean if they win this series we can make sure Richard asked him that question yeah of all the people Richard
I mean and Jenkins they both ask honestly. Yeah for sure I
Switched his item up. He's going went Lincoln's instead now
Interesting. I like the I like the nullifier excuse me the bloodthorn idea
Now he has something against one demonic purge, I suppose, but also at the same time, you're
this far ahead just protecting your heroes from getting one shot.
You have to get the vision thanks to Zeus, they use the soulbind onto one but it's still
going to be the death of those, cost them the doom as well.
Matters not done, they can do whatever the hell they want.
Two killed, fade, BKB retreat, Lotus TP.
We'll get out, but...
Egg does pop, speed survives, and there's the infestation to his favorite target.
Anybody on his team.
That is not an enemy.
That's right, that's why it's on his team.
Anybody on his team that's not an enemy? Well, that's not always the case.
We know about Parker.
Sure, go fast.
All right, they find the connection on to speed and now the mega creeps will come.
No GG's called yet.
There's some copium going on here.
Major copium.
RCY back into the base, fade.
He is a fat mess on the underlord and GG's finally called as game one.
It goes to heroic.
Looking pretty good.
I think overall, Game Religion had some good moves earlier on in the game, but the writing
on the wall in my eyes was always, if we get to later and you're not snowballing the game
on Raiden, your hero matchups are just too bad.
Yeah, that's pretty much it.
Nicely played game by Heroic.
I am curious though about the whole Underlord build.
I don't think I've seen this build, this tournament at least.
I wonder what we have to say to defend Fade here.
Alright, let's go to the panel before Cinder and blows a fuse raging about Underlord again.
Right, well, let's start the segment by raging about Underlords, I guess. No, obviously great game there from Heroic.
We will talk about how they achieved it and whether Game of Legion could have done a bit more.
I kind of felt this was a little bit of the timid Game of Legion that we saw against Vulcans coming back with.
I feel like this game is mostly draft related, more than anything.
Gimalydion did try their best, they I think overperformed on the lanes, except the mid lane of course.
That did not go good, that still will.
But yeah, Heroic just played to their strength, to their timings, they understood this game goes past 25 minutes,
the game is in their favour, and they pretty much just like played very well up until that point,
and then just had smooth right till the end.
Yeah, there hits a certain point, or I'll say there hit a certain point, where we were trying to figure out, like,
what is it that has to happen realistically for
Gamer Legion to win the game and you said like
basically, Heroic needs to blunder three fights in a row, which, you know, massively. Yeah, massively. Yeah, exactly.
Because like, the tiny life stealer matchup is just so rough for tiny at a certain point
where like you can kite the BKB timing with the agonimceptor,
life stealer can kind of always stick on the tiny,
tiny needs like an MKB to even hit the life stealer,
he doesn't really want that, he'd rather like a Daedalus,
even by the time you get that, life stealer has like a BKB,
you know, it's just, it's so rough that Gamer Legion is giving
themselves this really small window to win the game.
I respect it in a way because this is what Liquid does,
But like that's liquid's entire identity like that's that's their thing and if they don't do it like they lose very quickly
Do when they're when they're not looking good and to me that's just not how
gamer legion
Has won and how they've played in the past
So I would like to see like a bigger window of opportunity for them draft wise
Yeah, I feel like they didn't leave themselves open in the draft. They didn't deal with the Beastmaster
They picked Tiny knowing there's a bad match up on lifestealer.
This overall I believe is mostly a draft issue.
He didn't die a single time, this is how...
I feel like Yuma could have had his mouse and keyboard disconnect.
He had a little bit of a T-fight.
His head phones disconnect so he can't call for a pause and he was still in the T-fight.
He's such a consistent player now, honestly.
It's very impressive how much...
He might be like the most improved Dota player of the previous season of Dota, where he went for being like, okay tier carry, he was just fine, like tier 1.5 maybe at best, to like, for a lot of people, depending on the hero, like top three, like legitimately up there in the world, you know, you're saying like, he's the Nipo player, right?
Yeah, he is and I think for a you know, no offense to you guys you Nipo players
But I feel like for a Nipo player to even say somebody else is good at Nipo like
Takes a lot of respect
Yeah, it's like just Nipo player things, you know, let's quickly jump into the game 17 minutes
There was a team fight. I think we want to take a closer look at
Yeah, this was the rush fight. Yeah, they were struggling to get this rush
they eventually do and I feel like they back off pretty badly here and give out two kills,
big kills, they give out the Doom kill and then they immediately lose the Aegis and Tyloon is
gonna die once again here in a second. This stopped Heroic from like getting to their plan
last and all but to the nature of the draft it wasn't that big of a deal because they
stop making mistakes past that point and they just once again they played to their lineup strength
they didn't care just get this game going 10 more minutes this game's over let's go next
yeah it feels like in some of these games on another dota patch one fight like that and like the
game is over but in a lot of these games you do have these like one sided drafts going later on
into the game maybe due to the nature of like these like carry beast masters neck rows like
Vipers and stuff like that where like you can genuinely get completely devastated in the fight
We even saw like us the seven minute timing where RCY got like a triple killer something on storm and there's patches in Dota
Where it's like oh, it's it's a little bit. It's legit over after that
But he's playing into the doom beast is such a hard time for him that even then he was
Not even like high net worth in terms of you look at the north after that fight triple kill in seven minutes
and he's still 800 gold under the enemy mid-laner.
Yeah, it was real tough.
I mean, double doom as well.
We saw a few of those in the game.
31 minutes, a different kind of Roche fight.
Yeah, this was beginning of the end here
where he zips in and he tries on RCY.
I love to save.
I agree with we entirely that like,
game religion, they were doing their best at this point.
It's just that the nature of the draft
We were watching this fight, we're like, where's Tiny?
Where's Tiny? Where's Tiny?
He's just getting kited.
It doesn't feel comfortable going in.
Whisper can chase here up into the high ground.
They have their BKBs.
So RCY, even though he does the cute little play
to survive Huma's Agonym Scepter,
like Heroic has the licking strength that they can survive.
Very lucky to get Ghost out here,
because otherwise that could have been completely devastating.
But pretty much from this fight onward,
it didn't get easier for Gamer Legion.
And I do agree.
It is just based on like the nature of their heroes and I will go back and say
I think a team can win by doing this and playing this sort of strategy
I just don't know if this is how gamer Legion likes to win like in their own strategy books
They're not usually doing this stuff
I think is the they have a weak laning phase and it's again from nature of the draft as well
The the lane phase is not good enough to play this sort of game
You cannot be on a timer and not be favorite on it
You need to have good lanes if you want to play an explosive game.
And just for Cinderun, here it is. This is the unique, shall we say, build on the underlord.
Thoughts wee.
I don't see it as being that bad. He is playing against a lifestealer,
so he does prefer having this BKB second item.
I assume he bought it, I thought he bought a prayer of the last.
It's not much you can do, it's just playing into bad matchup.
There's this doom that has percentage base damage,
there's a lifestealer, again with percentage base damage and percentage base healing as well,
and a beast man who just doesn't care, he can buy a pipe maybe,
that could be good against a beast, but it does not solve the other two problems,
which is the doom and the lifestealer.
Yeah.
So not many options for him to go on.
Do you fundamentally disagree with Cinderin's assessment that it was a bad build?
I'm not saying it's a good build, I'm not saying it's a bad build either,
I'm saying just there's no direct clear direction where to go so I can understand when he buys it's like out of math ideas
I go see it's a fuck syndrome is what that fuck
We'll see if game you can get back into this one
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Let's get to work here.
As we begin our quiz, Darkseer's vacuum was once modified,
was once again modified this patch,
as it has been every patch for the last 10 years.
True or false?
I think false.
I don't remember.
That is true.
You did it.
It was false.
You're keeping up well.
Which of the following heroes did not have a game breaking
bug in 7.41?
Mipo, Warlock, Chen or Rubik?
Mipo and Rubik are super buggy.
I played a lot of Warlock.
Chen had a bug too, I think.
Yes.
I'm going to say it was Warlock.
Close, buddy.
With the Conjurer's Catalyst, he could insta-kill everybody.
It was actually Rubik.
Yeah.
Conjurer's Catalyst.
Which one of the following heroes did not
have their base armor increased by one?
It is now taking literally no damage.
Terrorblade, Anti-Mage, Legion, or Death Prophet?
All of them got it plus one, except for one.
TV.
Everyone says that.
No, PB did get one armor, it was actually a Legion.
It was between those two.
Which of the following used to be a neutral
but is now a shop item?
Philatrophy or?
Specialist array.
Thank God you got that one right.
That would have been a very embarrassing.
Excellent.
Which of the following neutral item enchantments
are still in the game?
Boundless Vassweiser or Audacious?
Following an interesting.
So I have to choose three?
No, they removed three.
Only one remains.
Oh, I think it's vast.
Incorrect.
Your knowledge is not vast enough.
It's audacious.
No, I got to go to my second guess.
Oh, sorry.
Yeah, skip to the second guess.
Yeah, I really should.
What is the active spell of metamorphic mandible called?
Bug out, arachnid assailant, pupate, or metamorphic?
I think it's pupate.
You think it's pupate.
Is that the first or second guess?
That's my guess.
I don't know.
Both.
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What pupate?
You got it.
All right, if you kill someone as Tidehunter
and have the chasm stone, you can pick up fish
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Probably true?
It seems reasonable.
False.
Unreasonable.
Ice frog does not like that.
Next, which of the following was not
a concentrated rap's nerve?
Cost, magic resistance, movement speed, or barrier?
Cost, I think.
Correct.
All done.
All right.
Which of the following heroes did not receive a change
in all three of the patches?
meaning they were listed in the original A and B.
Only one of these heroes were not in all three.
Not in all three?
Yeah.
I'm gonna say tiny.
Close.
What's your second guess?
Is that writer?
Oh, you really gotta go with those second guesses.
All right, next, next.
Never other.
Damn.
Much like Warlock's black grimoire,
Grigri and all other innate neutrals have been removed.
An innate neutrals?
That's right.
true or false? False. That is correct yes Winter Wyvern actually got a book. Oh yeah.
Yeah and little Grigory is still there. Yeah that's what I was thinking. There you go.
That's not that good. I feel like I could have done better. Can I play again?
Had all of them right if you just went with the second guess as I have to say so. Very
close very close speed gaming yeah. Thank you. I'll give you a nice in college you'd
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Joe's Lock-in Season 8.
Yes, welcome back, a very humble speed there, you'd love to see it, unfortunately right
now for him he has just been humbled in the previous game by heroic and now we're into the draft
we have to see if they can find something that's going to work or unfortunately for Game of Legion
they're going to be going home. I believe they can put up a better fight. Well look let's let's
get into it I mean you know the draft problems it's like look you will always on occasion over the
course for tournament you'll see lots of reasons why you know a draft maybe doesn't work or it's
not execute it or someone has a bad game or whatever but you do get the occasional game where
you can just point at the draft and say it wasn't a very good draft and that was where all your
problems came from so hopefully now they can put their head together and just come up with something
a bit more cohesive. This is exactly what they're going to do I'm pretty sure they communicate it
everybody at this point in the game knows that they just didn't have the best matchups and they're
probably gonna look to better that you know see the alchemist band again yes
kids going out respecting the ghost kids and the RC white yeah both lanes is
kind of extra bit of danger here in the draft and game of legion with the
host car ban mm-hmm they're still afraid of the Thailand host car
I don't prove that he can play Beastmaster and not Viper or Bristleback, they give him a playmaking meta hero.
That's more of a skill expression hero for sure.
Rubik was banned in the previous game. It's available.
Pretty good hero right now. Very contested.
It was banned on 10 but I feel like there's a lot that feels bad to pick into Rubik.
You know, I totally understand like Rubik counters a lot of things if you've good spells he counters
Beastmaster right now. Yeah, it's amazing against Beast because he doesn't hit the passive to
Use after all so it's like it becomes an easy steal and not only that it's shot saves on the role
I like that it blocks underlord as well
But then again in the previous game, you know underlord was countered by life stealer. So, you know, perhaps
There will be less value in that hero now the teams are showing that life stealers like yeah, totally viable to pick
It's the second time we've seen it on MoringQ, right? One both times. It was against Tiny.
We have a little bit of a switch up here. GamerLegion steeled the Beastmaster and Heroic decided to pick the Tiny.
Yeah, how do you feel about that as a pick, Tiny? Because obviously it's not the flex it used to be.
I feel like they might put it mid. Yeah, they might actually.
They picked it very early compared to what teams usually do in this tournament.
And I think this might be a Tyloon Tiny because in theory it sounds kind of good against the Beastmaster.
Yeah, you have a tree toss the board.
You have Avalanche plus, yeah, the tree itself just having so many hits now with Flash.
You can get to the boards and probably just one shot them every time you want with the Avalanche.
Just good matchup in the game too because yes, he goes SNY usually third item, second item sometimes.
He has innate stats of resistance, which is all very good against Beastmaster.
Yeah, I totally agree with we and what you're saying Richard about like tiny being a flex
You know, I think when people talk about tiny flex and potential four position
I don't think that's really in the cards anymore. It feels really bad as a four
But as a mid the echo saber like
Scaling to do some right clicks and like scaling that way build is good
It's still worth it. You don't have to go
So, octering yules and playing around the spells like the Ecosaber build is totally fine.
And they dine off the lifestealer.
It's a good partner for Kogl for sure, yeah.
Yeah, which I think it was Heroic that did that last time.
I think they put Tylam on the Kotl and they had Tiny in the carry position.
That did not go so well.
Yeah, that one didn't work out.
But it is.
But this time, they are aware of the lifestealer and Heroic banned the lifestealer.
Yes.
Do not want to repeat the last game.
Yeah.
That's a tough matchup.
Keep in mind, the Gimmah Legion still has not set this matchup in the lane.
The Rubik is an amazing pick, in my opinion here.
Just because Beast in itself, he has this straight gameplay.
And Rubik kind of counters that with just one shot.
And the Roar still is amazing.
Because Pierce's BKB lasts longer on Rubik, a lower cooldown as well.
Just overall great pick.
Plus in the tournament, Rubik has just been shining.
Rubik's Shard is at bonkers now.
It's just insane that the fact that a we increase
Increases the range that you can toss people like you can just you can toss yourself like halfway across the screen
That's the shot of the 400 test range. They they both is the post post range. It's on the shot
I feel like you have to rush this item now when you play like a minute 15
You need to have it on quick buy and need to buy it. Yeah, it's that good actually
Himalayan the classic Phoenix
But surprise on the toss
Why does it surprise you?
This is a big man task, right? I've seen him play it so many times. It's one of his favorite heroes in pubs if I'm not mistaken as well.
I'm surprised because we haven't seen Tusk that much. It's been like...
The meta right now in this tournament especially has been dominated by this range support so far.
So seeing this Tusk is a breath of fresh air.
Hypothetically good in lane with Beastmaster too, if they did want to run Fate on Beast, like if they can get something later in the draft, let's say they have an 18 pick for Tylong that looks really good, like sorry for RCY that looks really good, I'm mixing up the Prodigy mid players, then they can potentially swap that out.
Another Grimstroke from Heroic does love their Grimstroke.
Both teams, they both have a Grimstroke enjoyer.
Not very successful in this tournament, but very successful on Heroic.
Two games, two wins.
I mean, it was great last game.
The Rubik GreenStalk is a very good combination as well.
They have the Sanking. I'm not sure if the Impale still works.
This is not a targeted spell, and I think GreenStrawalty works based on targeted spells.
But Rubik in itself having double-feedball.
Yeah, it's surprisingly good.
It's so much damage, double telekinesis and potential double roar again like last game,
even though they don't have the beast.
And then Grim, Sand King, Grim, Tiny, these are both combos.
I feel like we've seen these three heroes in a draft together a lot in this tournament.
You have Tiny to play with in the lane and that's very strong with the Ink Swell and
then Sand King to play with when it comes to team fighting outside of the lane while
Tiny is chilling and farming.
Ranking Grim is a very strong teamfight during the game, the Inksville with a combined with all sankings damage is just too much.
I feel like they still have a flex on Heroic as well, there's Tying and Sanking, Tying can go mid, Tying can go carry, Sanking can go mid and Offlane.
So they're keeping it open, they do have the last pick, which is like beneficial when you have this type of flex pick.
Oh, it's so nice especially when you have some you know, Tylong on your team like you you know that you can like or Yuma
You know like Nipo you you have to think about that as well against the Phoenix egg and I
Mean you're the expert Nipo player, but when I look at these three heroes
I'm like this it's a free Nipo game right now. It is kind of a free me put in line
Nipo generally used to
Not like playing against a we damage like Phoenix does have and these does have
but this new meepo doesn't care he thrives against like almost anything
that is not all the pipes and basically and do makes it an even better meepo
pick I would be scared of this meepo yeah I mean they've got the band they know
you can't bank on a tiny carry like I think it's not so it's just so good as
a carry people are running it as a carry but I think it's also genuinely good as
mid too. And Gamer Legion is healing the picks from Heroic. But Heroic still has the potential
to play the same heroes because they have a rubik. He's gonna steal the doom and double doom again.
He's gonna steal the roar and double roar again. He can do whatever he wants. I do love the rubik
in this patch. It's just the hero that shines right now, in my opinion. The changes have been
very beneficial. That's fast on life too. I'm very worried. Got a great win rate in this tournament.
I'm very worried for gamer legion that they're like banking too much on the tiny carry because that's well
I mean, you know, they just banned Thailand's era there. So they they clearly
Banking on this final pick payment. I don't know why they picked doom into tiny. I
Feel like heroic big doom last game. It was a great combo with the grim
The percentage base damage from infernal blade on doom is good against a tiny
But the Doom itself the ultimate is very bad against Sousa's resistance
Yeah, and Tiny has plenty of that if they decide to put it on carry
They banned they respect of the Viper, Tyloon Viper
Yeah, not very successful in this tournament, but they do respect it
Morph ban is interesting. I mean I get it. It's it's Ghosts most played hero. It's been a while
He's playing the you know weird stuff
Isn't it? I know the method used to be good for Mofling in the last patches.
Against Tiny? Yeah, but it was Tiny mid. Tiny carry on the other hand with the
double stun and the Shadowblade. Not something you really want to play as
Mofling. Could get like insta-bursted. You can obviously buy the Shadowblade.
The Meepo is still there guys, it's still on. It's a great Meepo, but they believe
this Tiny is carry only given that they're banning out the middle laners.
Yep, I think they believe the sinking is often as well feed has played not the sorry not fade whisper has played it before
If if it does go me Po is there anything game
Illegion can do to suddenly make it a bad me po game
I know we're all doing theory crafting about the me, but that probably isn't coming
Is there is there a hero? It's it's a round out. It's not this point not much you can do
It's you, so you have to think about it.
Like, how many tournaments does this guy have to make deep runs into because the team forgets about the Mipo?
Like, I feel like we have to talk about it. We have to respect it. They have to respect it.
He will keep winning until we respect it.
He also might just not believe in it that much. He did come into this tournament as his most played hero of the patch after the nerfs.
So, he does play it, he does like it, but also he might be scared at this point.
I feel like he didn't pull it out so far.
You're up one game?
Yeah, you're up one game, you got a game to play with.
This is the chance to pick it.
Exactly, you're up one game.
It is an elimination game, so it's going to put a lot of pressure on a gamer legion,
but we'll see.
Just a few more, 30 seconds here for the back.
Yeah, this has to be what they're talking about.
Probably, they might be thinking like, okay guys, I want to play people.
Yeah, what?
What is that?
Don't make it too obvious the best the best band. I know he thinks this troll warlord
That's like the best hero against Mipo, but it's just not a good hero in general and it's not that good anymore against people
I know
Ragnarok band that hit these are really
Fascinating bands Ragnarok has plush
Yeah, and healing reduction. I've seen people
Utilizing that and the frost dragon
Also, they're looking like you know deep into ghosts Europe will a lot of his popular heroes on this patch are gone
They believe a hurricane will believe this is a mid-beast master. It could also still be a ghost be faster
Yeah, they have flex on both sides right now
Five seconds left in the clock
What are they gonna do? Oh?
Man, it's a carry be smasher. You're this is me no pain. You're getting me bowed right queen of pain
right now it's it's it's weird the pop eggs pop eggs is very good against me
pull especially against people's teammates which do end up suffer suffering
more than the meeple but at the same time if you do get a good lane on me
pull you can snowball the screen of pain and not even a single chance yeah that
that's true yeah that's the confidence pick right now that's a weird it is a
weird matchup only 10 seconds to think about not a lot of time left for this
Last pick usually seems to give like they have more reserve time when I have the 24th pick
here right did
Care about this
A kunkam it oh
Okay, now I love it. I don't get split this here before yet, and it's a great match up into the Queen
It's having both against doom as well
Phoenix a beast master burst. They have a lot of burst on game allegiance
So the bolt buff is great for the team. They're running. They're running whisper kunga
It is a mid-sanking.
Mid-sanking against Queen.
That's a bit worse matchup in my opinion.
But it's better for the sanking overall.
He thrives on the mid-lane compared to the off-lane.
Gets more XP, gets to farm stacks faster,
freedom, no realistic chance to lose the lane
if you play it right with the sentries.
Seems like an evenly matched mid-lane for now.
Still love the Kunkato.
Very great into the burst he line up, giving religion hands.
Ghost? I mean...
How is Kongo against Doom in the safe lane like
In my eyes that should be pretty pretty nice for doom
Infernal blade percentage damage. There's two beefy boys
They could just probably ignore each other as well and just decide we both want to farm they both very greedy heroes
Yeah, that's interesting choice they put the beast off lane carry Doom
Yeah, and you can see there as well. First time. This is hard to tell. First time for the Kunkka.
First time for the Kunkka, yeah, this event. Yeah, on Whisper.
Tylo won his only match. On thanking. Yeah, well, I mean, we wanted an interesting draft and we
go one they confused me I don't know I'm gonna be a
yeah offline Kunkka offline beast I do love the Queen of Pain but I feel like
it's been answered pretty well this game and she also wasn't our loser stuff she
was very bad stuff right now yeah again seeing how last gameplay about I still
favor heroic I feel like class it's classic heroic to look at a draft and be
like I've no idea what's going on like I don't know what they were thinking like this is a classic chaotic heroic when they were
Very dominant, you know, we've been questioning
I guess like the safety of how they're drafting around Thai long and it's just nice to see that they're not doing that in this series
And I feel like that's why they're doing well. Yeah, all right then gentlemen time for the game
We've got a pirate captain on the server. So I'm throwing you over to two of the saltiest sea dogs. It's sons fan and syndrome
very nice throw thank you so much and there's kanka himself my goodness what
a great artist in his time cindoran worked with him for many years they named
a hero after him and he doesn't like the hero for everybody out there I asked
him what do you do you play kanka he's like no I hate him like oh that's
That's unfortunate.
Oh, I imagine that.
As we get into the game, Heroic Up 1L already, and yeah, this Kunkka pick is kind of a story.
It is, has not been picked the entire tournament, and they initially thought it was going to
be mid, but it will be the Whisper Offlane Kunkka, and then Ghost Plane Carry Doom with
Fade on the Offlane Beastmaster, so a lot of switch ups that we weren't expecting.
What are your thoughts?
My gut feels says that Kunkka wins against Doom, actually when Doom is in the safe lane,
so that for me is the lane to watch.
I think the rest is like more typical stuff that we've seen.
Sure, the heroes might not have gone to the lanes you expected initially, but we have
seen these matchups.
We have seen Qwap against Sanking.
We have seen Offlane Beastmasters against more or less anything.
For me, the biggest X-Factor game religion here is that Bighnum gets to play Tusk.
I think this is just his best hero.
very skilled player on Tusk. His Shadow Demon is also great, which he played last game.
I just think his conditions were very difficult to play. But I think Big Numb, I think Tusk,
and I think Rubik. And he's playing one against the other, so he should be very comfortable,
given his deep knowledge of those two heroes in particular. Beastmaster with Tusk? A bit
of an unusual one, I would say. Usually when you play Tusk with an offlaner, it's somebody
if he uses tag team very well, Beastmaster is okay with it,
but you're playing into two stuns,
so they can generally separate themselves from you.
All right, so let's get back to the topic at hand here.
Why Kunkka?
What is this offer?
First of all, he knew you was going to have
a melee matchup, right?
It was either gonna be Beastmaster or Doom,
which makes the, Kunkka does a lot of damage
over the laning phase, level three and onwards.
You just have the constant harass of Tidebringer,
and you can't really avoid the damage
if you're a melee core,
you have to go and take CS. Additionally, the rum buff is very strong against this type
of lineup where let's say somebody gets doomed, you can get the rum through and potentially
survive. It gives them, once again when they're playing Grimstroke, three good friends, three
melee heroes that are tanky that want to run in with the ink swell on. And they just, they
have some pretty nice combos with Xmark, I feel like. You can kill with Sand King, you
He can kill with Tiny, arguably he can kill with Grimstroke at different portions of the
game.
Double X marks the spot, anyone?
That too.
Next level.
I don't know, I think Kunka is a bit underpicked to be honest.
I think he's a very interesting off-laner in particular.
What do you buy on this hero?
Do these aggs even a thing anymore?
It is, yeah.
So there's a couple of different paths you can go.
uh... i would say most games you buy all the nice
two-man torrent
into the inkswell is that you can apply to kill that's first blood the way of
her row it
palace very nicely set up double torrent with inkswell following up and then
ghost goes down so
uh... what do you buy so usually you buy face boots uh...
i would say basically no matter what you buy phase you want to have the most
piece you can reach your type ringer you get a lot of value out of the damage
because you cleave all of it
that's good for farming
And then most of the time it's either, I would say the build I prefer is either Blade Mail or Vessel.
And a lot of the time into pipe.
Vessel?
Yeah, Vessel Cook can be very good.
I don't think we see it as much in pro play as you see it in higher level pubs, so maybe it just doesn't work as well at this level.
But I think it can be a really cool build in the right game. I don't think you should do it in this one.
Um, so either he can go straight into a blade mill if he likes that, or he can bypass that entirely and think about something like pipe aggs, for example, can be very good.
He is queuing up shadow blade though.
Oh, baby.
If he is gonna go the full, the leg punk, uh, your favorite build that nobody ever goes.
Oh, favorite build to watch, not to endure myself, but yeah.
Oh, he's just gonna TP through the tier one, so it takes a little bit of damage.
It was in a very compromised position and that's honestly just a mistake from whisper, but what is even
Changed with this hero in the last patch the innate is the admirals rum. Yeah
His spells for the most
So ghost ship now applies admiral runs at a 2x factor what yeah compared to what though was it 1x before I think so
Okay, I mean honestly, I don't even remember his facets
one of them was x marks related he was weird yeah he had the bad x marks one
was the other one oh is it the talent the typewriter applies slow no that was
always a talent I mean I really should know this because I love this here and
I played it quite a bit but the fact that I can't even remember its facets I
mean I don't know if that says more about the heroes facets or me probably me
but anyway I would say overall I mean in essence it is the same hero as when
facets were in but I think he got hit less hard than a lot of other heroes in
my eyes from losing facets I think he's still very much so offering bringing a
lot of the same stuff to the table I'm very curious if he's gonna wait wasn't
it the cool down of tibering or gets lower the more units you all true yes
that's the one you're right which was situationally useful in particular in
some lanes but I don't I mean compared to certain things other heroes lost I don't
think even I don't think it's even close yeah okay I'm hoping he sticks with
the shadow blade and it's brown boots shadow blade I I feel like it is phase
right did he give up the phase too I mean is it on the way right now yes it
on the curve okay I was like it doesn't even get upgraded boots I'm really not
on board anymore oh come on that that would have been even cooler why don't
you like cool things I like good cool things not bad cool why because they're
good what kind of a question is that you're stupid thank you I try my best
it's why you and slacks don't like each other yeah like stupid yeah let's just
make up things why not a lot of drama in the Dota scene guys yeah as it turns
out mortal enemies with every day we cast together I realized less and fewer
Oh, wow. That's great.
Very nice block on Triola Core.
He's in quite a bit of trouble. He knows he's dead.
We'll go down to speeds right-click.
That was some, that was an insane charge from Big Nump.
That's going to dive on to Tylong, but just a little bit of damage over time.
So, nice fables as well. There's damage there.
Two jungles.
Yeah, if we can see the, okay, if he is going to go Shadowblade, then...
Do you go the crit after like what's what's the play? I mean if you're going silver edge, you're not going axe, right?
No, I accept Kunkka is actually a quite interesting item because if you demo this the way the ship works
I think this maybe even something that some pro players get wrong when they buy it hang on. Let's see
Let's go run away now from ghosts. So
The instinctual thing to do when you throw a ghost ship is you X mark someone you throw the ship on top of them, right?
That's the standard combo. It's just ex torrent ship
But if you have eggs you want the ship to be offset by like 300 range to either side
Because then the explosion hits and the cannons hit more on the way in and the damage difference is actually really meaningful
I think when you're level 18 if you place the ghost well
I think it's like an additional 600 damage
It's like a finger of death. Huh that you're doing to the hero if you just need to do a farther back
No, you'd like imagine you draw a line between yourself and the X
Then you want to deviate to either side of the X by like two to three hundred so that the ship comes in from the from the side and
It actually deals a lot of damage. That's why I'm the wisdom. We thought we weren't gonna see this anymore
The olifer is gonna be the first to fall
Speed getting pretty low
But whisper is the one that really has to worry pops the fairy fire, but to no avail as the rest of heroic coming to
Eventually claim their own shrine. It's a great play from gamer legion though two kills and they get out
And they force the entire enemy team to come over that can't ask for more than that
That was really really nice speed even gonna die to neutrals. Yeah, but ghost
Does hit
Well into epi
Does not channel it completely
Guess they don't need it
As ghosts will eventually drop here. It's took forever. It did but it is a carry dying for the second time this game
I was keep in mind that was a 3-0 invasion right like gamer Legion didn't even they were farming a lot while this was happening on
Both their Beastmaster and their Queen so think easily a big win for them given the amount of resources expended
Anyway, you didn't even finish your thoughts on Conker what he's actually buying
Yeah, some tangent for a million years, right?
I was just I was saying because this is such an unusual
usual built in the off lane. I don't know what you go next when you go to
Silveridge because I never see this. So I'm assuming you do play into just the
first part of the game, Avalanche to set it up as well. Tylingo from the north gets
at the center off. That is a dead beast master and toss. Nicely done as the
mid laner for Heroic. It's a double excellent spellcasting by Heroic there.
Just zero overlap perfect staggering at the abilities
All right forget about what you know what about what you want this okay if he's going silver edge
I think it needs BKB probably
So silver edge BKB and then maybe Daedalus. I don't know. Yeah, of course. I mean I was hoping you say yes
You see the doom now hit whisper in the face
Chase, he's going to continue to chase, the snowball not going to be very close at all,
but another beautiful shards.
Isn't it enough though?
Scorch's earth just in range, Whistler's going to pop his wand and he will survive.
Was that silence mid animation on the infernal blade?
I think it was.
That was a very, very close to killing Whisper, but unable to finish the job.
It's quite a lot of time, time and resources, but at the very least they do send him into
to the jungle now, and huma. Just trying to farm away, but big num. Obviously knows that
this is happening. You can be able to leech a little bit. I'm not looking for a kill,
it seems. It's fade. Went for the helmet of the Overlord build. We'll dump to start,
of course. Let's see if he wants to commit the full way. This is what they were talking
about in the panel, Offlane Beastmaster. We have a saying generally two build paths,
either Overlord or Dom into X.
Oh!
Sonic Wave not getting hit by a long,
doing a nice job of moving around
and he still might die anyway,
but their song for the scream rather was stolen.
That's not the name either, Cinder.
Yeah, that's right.
You did a little bit, just called it Sonic Wave
and then you forgot what it was called.
Away.
That's right.
Reflected.
That was worse than not casting Sonic Wave at all.
You missed and you gave it to Rubik.
So you actually killed yourself on RCY.
That's very, I was gonna say unfortunate,
But in reality, just missed.
I wasn't really any luck involved there. Just placed it poorly.
And Tylong did good movement, as you said. It takes two or three.
I think I can still say that.
It's a bit of both. Yeah, okay. As you wish.
Oh, he was dusted, so he's dead.
Okay, never mind.
I thought he was on the cover there.
I mean, it does kill him, but if he doesn't give Sonic over to King Jungles,
I actually think he gets out himself, too.
Bit of a mistake.
Side of gamer Legion.
They're still looking A-OK here, especially Fade is having a very strong early game and he will commit for the Overlord.
I feel like his game is good enough that I wouldn't mind an axe, but yeah, it's also what we were saying, right?
If you're playing Offlane Beastmaster, if you're free farming and you're snowballing from the lane, you can consider it.
I think it would be interesting here also just to threaten more in the mid-late game.
Underlord or excuse me overlord is also putting a lot of pressure of course in a different way
It's more of like split pressure and less team fighting
I just think I think the teams fighting angle just plays really well with their lineup
But either way that both both builds are good. It's not it's not a problem. It's a preference thing
Curious what he goes after maybe pipe in this game
Look at the radio line up. Everything's mad. Oh, yeah
Dying phantoms embrace sets it up. So RC wide down and out
out, taking them on the run with a Soulbind on to 2. The egg is going to be placed. There's
the Sonic wave going on top of Fade as Yuma trying to run away into the egg hits him
and he's going to drop to Vec. A double kill for Fade now as Tylong. Now getting some help
thanks to Whisper. They're going to get stomped though and the Doom applied to Whisper. He
couldn't really get anything off. Still has the Ghost Ship. They are burning to a crisp.
They're going to be able to get the Kanka easily and the chase is onto KJ and Tylong.
KJ takes out the boar and will live as a result, a heroic, but not very good fight here.
Yeah, just a bit disconnected in arrival, right?
Kanka comes in late and then he doesn't even get his spells off, gets doomed on his way
into the fight.
But nicely done from Gamer Legion, bringing the numbers here, really playing to this...
I mean, both lineups have incredible teamfighting potential right now.
So it really is about who gets the spells off first, more so than anything.
And that was game religion that time around.
Got to leverage the egg, they got to use the doom and take Kunkka out of the fight.
Unfortunately for Whisper, when you're going this build, if you're not completing the Shadow
Blade, his inventory is really weak.
Like, it isn't worth anything, right?
He has...
What does he effectively have?
Phase Boots and a Bracer in terms of fighting capability.
Very strong.
knuckles is terrible on this hero for for fighting you're not running after
heroes and hitting them over and over and leveraging the attack speed you're
just using it as a component for farming I'm actually surprised he didn't buy the
claymore first to be honest yeah that's a bit weird I think it's just better on
kunkka to do that but maybe it lined up nicer with his net worth and he was
about to die perhaps and now he's queuing up a pipe I mean what do you want
So Shadowblade into Pike.
I don't know man, the sound is pretty scoffing to me.
I love creative builds but I can't say in good faith that I think this is good.
I don't know.
I mean what if it was reversed?
That would be better.
Maybe he just wanted the blitzed knuckles for the time being.
I would be happy to see if he does go this build that he inverted.
I think that would be a pretty interesting idea.
He hasn't bought the other components yet, so he might actually be weighing his options
and waiting to see.
Some nice stacks for him, by the way.
There was a triple stack of ancients.
Kunkka does this very well from the off lane.
Once you hit level 7 or more, the low cooldown on Tidebringer allows you to farm very, very
big stacks with minimal damage taken.
You just keep cycling around, run in, take a couple hits whenever you want to cleave,
and...
All right.
He can afford the Shadow Blade now, so...
What's it gonna be, Whisper?
He's going Pipe.
Oh, God, so the Blitznuckles...
He's stuck with the Blitzknuckles for the rest.
Okay, is he gonna sell it, though?
Oh, God, now it's just a boring-ass build.
We hyped it up so much.
Yeah, this is a good build.
He should just shouldn't have bought the...
I was like, just buy it. It's a good Pipe game, no?
Uh, wait, what else does Blitzknuckles turn into?
I mean...
I don't think you can buy any of his options here, Cinder, and give us all the options.
MKB, or Witchblade, Orchid, or Bloodthorn, of course. Orchid? Orchid's okay, I guess.
You could go Orchid. That's actually a legit item build, sometimes. To go with the other two,
I mentioned the Vessel or Blade Mail first. If you want to go either of those two,
you can go Orchid instead, if it's good. I'm a little surprised you didn't go for a Blade Mail.
It's alright in this game. It's not like outstanding.
You don't think so?
I personally just don't think the item is that good.
So I think you need to have a very good reason to buy it in my opinion.
The only hero that truly bought it a lot, consistently in 740 that was in the top hero was Queen of Pain
because of her spell life steal on reflective damage, right?
Or life steal on reflective damage.
nowadays like who's a blade mill hero now like consistently axon legion right
there's nobody oh boy I don't think they saw that though just farming really good
timing on the tp out no big deal had a bit of a quiet game to start but to get
the Midas of course so the farms gonna get amplified a bit now and I have to
I mean, 10 hours early, the Kanka,
it could have been any hero at this point. You're gonna go pipe,
they haven't really set anything up.
Other than that one double torrent.
Yeah, I mean that's- it's not really the pick's fault, I think.
Is it the Blitzknuckle's fault?
It's part of it. No, I really do like the pick, they just haven't. As you mentioned,
so far they haven't really got to use the hero to its strengths, but that doesn't mean they can't do it later.
I mean, this is a really strong timing now actually.
Yeah, has the pipe pipe plus boat. Oh wait shadow blade back into his quick buy after the Lotus
Of course classic combo of pipe Lotus shadow blade
Cylung
You get dusted. This is really awkward now. He is very deep gonna be able to grow into the trees
He's just gonna well. Wow. He's actually he got out. Okay. I was not expecting that
You know, you like to talk about pro players min maxing, but that was maybe taking it a bit too far cutting into that
Apparently not just done into the trees. It worked if doom had a quali blade he would have died
Yeah, but he doesn't send her. That's right. That's the real men maxing. He knew that
Of course that he wasn't going to be able to cut through there. You know, he's gonna spot ghosts will need much more backup
He does have quite a bit though
But I think the opportunity might just be gone. Okay, this is a big moment now Beastmaster and Tusk on the south side
could get a really nice sandwich here.
Oh, they find Ghost all alone,
and now that is enough with all these numbers.
Vietnam, a very late initiation,
he's gonna pay the ultimate price here,
and the Phoenix coming in as well with a nice sun ray into the egg,
and Tusk does die, so it's a double kill for the Tiny.
He's not gonna back away.
The Roar now onto the pipe wearing Kunkka.
Whisper is gonna activate it,
and, well, he's actually getting some good distance away.
You'll live if the bird doesn't root him here. He could TP out. I think well, he's really
The axes are placed and he's out. Okay
And it's a oh and they actually kill off RC Y as well
At this fight lasted so long that San King ran the entire way from mid to bottom and get that will get the clock kill
How does that happen?
I mean that was really weird the way that that transpired because ghost gets picked off
you think the gamer league just backs off but no they still trickle in and now
they're regretting it yeah that was indeed a bit chaotic just uh it was
because gamer league were planning their own move down bottom right it was
very awkward for them because doom got jumped as they were looking to backstab
themselves so he's out but then you're still half committed to the play
already and you've brought the heroes who choose to take the fight if sand king
is with heroic there when the fight breaks out it's a total disaster to
They don't understand a chance, but effectively the fight became a 4v4 with Doom dead and Sand King not present, so you had a fighting chance.
Wow, but then it dragged out so long that eventually Sand King arrived.
I want to mention this, okay, this is a good playgamer, they're going for Roshan.
I'm not sure if Heroic can even get here in time, so...
Looks like they might be on every center either.
Kronka is good for situations like this, but he is not at all in the neighborhood.
yeah we'll be a freebie RCY likely to take the ages but Sand King in this
tournament I believe has a pretty damn low win rate why do you think that is a
lot of the games we've been casting it's been losses
teams are just prepared for this pick I think they're still pretty good it's
It's also 36% win rate.
Yeah, it's not great.
It's 8 and 14, yeah?
Yeah.
Radiant are scanning.
I don't know.
I actually don't really have a good answer for that,
because I feel like in most of the games we watch, also,
it gets off to a decent start.
I think it has good conditions.
And I don't think it really falls off
enough that you would think the winner would be this bad.
So there hasn't been, in other words,
there hasn't been a pattern in my eyes to its losses.
It's not like, oh, games go too long, or oh, it always loses lane, or it's bad at this exact thing that's really important in the meta,
because it's good at the things that are important in the meta, right?
It's good at fighting big team fights. It's good at playing almost any matchup.
Oh!
R.C.Y. going through the gate.
Hello!
Runs right into the holocore, pops the soulbind immediately.
Not gonna do much with the dove, so that will be a sacrifice for the heroic side as they TP out.
I was- oh boy, a little bit too early on that one, is Whisper.
Cancel that, we'll just have to use the boat to delay as long as possible.
And the pipe, it's mine as well. Use those blitz knuckles as well.
Yep.
Should be a dire tormentor. Nice timing through the gate here.
Just head straight to bottom and make quick work of this.
My Beast Bancer Fade is very very strong in this game. He has some of the Overlord and now the BKB.
So where is it going to be from here? Is it AC? Once again, Pipe was a consideration, but now that he's bought the BKB, I think...
This seems to be a pattern in their games, right? It's just not really all that needed here.
Cinder and Cursed as always. Nobody does get the Roarock and the Doom, not expecting it.
It's the blessing that's right because I called it out before it happened. Okay cancels it out of course Ty long
trying to skitter away
What what?
Cerro strike over rules then it always did. Okay
Interesting
There's a couple of spells that have
Let's say how do you even categorize them? It's the same with timber chain. You also pull yourself out of you
with that. It's like the ones that have like a destination that you're in the
middle of traveling to as you get muled. You end up arriving. Is there another
spell that does this too? I'm trying to think. Which is of course a problem. So
I'll stop immediately. My apologies. Good choice. Good choice. So drinking buddies
now online for big num. The fact that that's a shard now is crazy. So good.
It's it's obviously not the old drinking buddies. This one doesn't give damage but
but it gives move speed, I mean just to displace, and it gives armor, and still, pseudo save,
pulls you and your teammate toward each other, yeah, still a pseudo save.
And it no longer has the alt-cast, which I actually think is a pretty important thing.
We have a launch from Yuma, blind one, they find the phoenix into the telekinesis, and
that's fried chicken on the menu, but TP's coming in, gamer Legion again.
Oh, outnumbered, we're wanting to fight but they do cancel it, so we'll back away.
I didn't notice this when I read over the 741B notes that drinking buddies can't be alt-cast
anymore.
So it means you have to pull yourself toward each other.
You can't do the pull in one direction for Tusk, and it gives three armor less.
This is one of the ways Tusk got nerfed in the B patch here.
Kind of interesting.
Obviously, if you're close to each other it doesn't pull, but 250 range is like nothing.
It basically needs to be melee already.
Fair enough.
So Ghost working on a BKB and is this like an AC game, like what do you go for big ticket
items after that?
That's the interesting thing here is how are Beast and Doom going to split their builds
because they kind of want some of the same stuff sometimes, sometimes both want Silver,
sometimes both want AC.
It is going to be fate getting the AC, which I personally like this choice, I think if
you're not going to go Axe on Beastmaster, this is a way of scaling yourself and your
teammate, so I think it's fine.
And once Doom has BKB after the Sarpoon, he's obviously not going AC, so yeah, what will
it be for him after that?
Interestingly, by playing the carry Doom here, Ghost is not going drums, so that slot
is missing in his build from the standard doing builds, if you will.
Yeah, what would be good next? I mean, maybe he just buys Octorine, since he also has Midas.
Does he want to be that greedy? I don't think that would be bad.
Ag's almost there for RCY. As you can see, the punch initiation from
gamer legion, oh boy, is that a reflected tusk snow ball, putting him in an even more precarious
spot but able to get out. That'll break things up already, I mean this is a very even game
though.
Whispers.
He came up on his blitz knuckles again Shen, he still has them but now he's going aggs.
They're blessed.
He's going the exact standard build or more or less that I was suggesting and he got us
excited twice over but it's just a casual
uh... trash knuckle
there is that such an awful inventory slug
it is what it is we won't speak of him anymore
acts as good though
when you do i i like the acts less when you do to build up items instead of one
I think if you were to do pipe aggs or lotus aggs, I think it's better than doing these
two items on the way, because a big part of what makes aggs strong is when you get it
in the timing multiple heroes in the game might not be BKBs yet, and you can get these
double boat hits for ridiculous teamfight damage.
But now when it comes out this late, Beastmaster obviously has his BKB, Doom has his at that
point as well, and Queen of Pain, if she wanted one, could have it.
going axe which is unsurprising and also you're playing into tusk so it's not even a guaranteed
connection to begin with. Waiting to see ghosts quick buy here. Running the...
When's that alpha wolf coming? He's running the upgraded devourer here. Even a black dragon
now he has a hundred percent cleave which is pretty good for farming 20% increase aoe 40%
increase spell on the creepiest yes so bigger fireball it's 360 radius i'm gonna shiva's
yeah if it was off playing work on that maybe i am oh you mean it would for aoe works on the yeah
the AoE of the fireball? Yeah, that's true. That's true. The egg fire.
Oh, RCY spotted. Adatoss. My goodness.
He's gonna have to bother with the epicenter, and there's the soul by him.
The doom comes out beforehand. Theolokor is dead.
Now to focus onto the Tiny. Actually, able to get the Shadowblade off.
He is doomed, so he's just gonna brush it off.
It actually was reflected as well. The egg plays just in time,
and now the roar right on top of the same King Tailong.
Gonna get stunned from the egg to Telekinesis, save! Or was that the drinking buddies? Who knows what the hell is happening anymore?
They kill off yet another, despite being doomed, Yuma gets the triple, and they're gonna get more fried chicken.
And that is a huge team fight for Heroic, Yuma can't quite find the fifth.
It was Telekinesis.
It was, yeah, he has the shark.
He could have stolen drinking buddies though, so it's not out of the best.
Um, but yeah, Telekinesis saved here.
I find this to be extremely powerful.
Whoa, what's that there? What's that?
Five Rubik.
Oh, it wasn't a load of doom, it was stolen doom.
Oh.
Rubik has it again. This is massive, actually.
He can use this in the coming fight.
Obviously, Rubik's doom is even better with more cast range and the spell...
Oh, yeah, the spell...
So let's see this here again.
So obviously, obviously White is gonna die instantly.
This is just such a...
Another instance, GamerLegion lose one, still want to fight.
Yeah, you can understand why, right?
They have the olive board and they have the doom on Tiny,
but the harpoon change is so important in these situations.
When you're doing it, you can still get away and get some distance.
And then, yeah, the roar onto Tylong looks also decently promising,
but not quite enough.
And this token is just beautiful.
And honestly, it could have been even worse for GamerLegion,
I think.
The tauren actually never meant BGV was already running on these maps.
He's getting out of the way, so this was destined to happen.
It's 4-for-1 trade-off.
Definitely a turning point in this game.
I'm gonna get a tier 2 on top of that.
As Roche will be up in 30 seconds.
Gamer Legion obviously up and running already at this point.
Have Doom back as well.
Egg in 5 seconds.
They can certainly contest.
But another smoke, this time from Gamer Legion coming in.
Underneath heroic at the moment heroic have everything ready. So this is a fair fight depending on who gets the opening
Tyla
Sure is will burrow nothing under the high ground gets punched into the air
There's the egg with the Sunray to follow you can see heroic just backing away. This is egg wasted
He panicked he spell casted off the pipe already to try to take advantage of that
There's the avatars they kill off big enough to start this fight flies back instantly
Let's go. Looking for the opening. Gets off the doom. It's reflected this time by the Lotus for sure.
As RCY with the Shatter Shack on the 2, Yuma, DKB trying to get out of dodge, gets punched in the air, into the Sonic Wave on the 3.
And that's enough to take out Yuma. Nope, it gets off the Adolence, then finally dies.
Set the dieback onto the toss now, as KJ, fighting off against this Kwapu gets doomed by the Rubik.
And Tylong getting chased away. The Axes finish the job. The boat too late.
You still have a boat after all of these? What the hell?
Quap's gonna die. This doomed us so much to it.
Oh, wow.
Holy shit. I think it did like 900 damage with Doom, and it was not even close to Oryan.
This is ridiculous. This level 3 Doom steal.
Yeah. Scrappy stuff. Like, this was a very much like a panicky moment in general.
The initiation was weird, like San King Borostock. Nothing.
The supernova was, I don't even know which country that was in.
Um, hang on.
Zoning.
Next.
Yeah.
But when all said and done, GamerLinion probably kind of happy with the outcome.
Uh, I'm really sure, as you mentioned, the ghost ship came out very, very late.
He was almost, was he the one doomed on Kunkka that fight?
Yeah, initially he was.
Yeah, okay.
That's, that's why.
He is the best Doom target. I think Ghost Ship is the best spell to prevent here, either that or at the center.
Oh my god, he changed his item build again on Conka. It's not Axe, it's going to be Octorine now.
He still has Blitzknuckles, by the way, for all the Blitzknuckles fans out there.
We'll keep an eye on that item, of course.
Wait, did he buy casual chasm stone?
Yeah, I think so.
I mean, that's alright, I think.
Just cannot make up his mind.
I can't see whether he keeps the bracer.
Speed! Goodbye, sir! Goodbye!
His blitzknuckles just needs to be sold.
He's keeping it over the bracer.
It's good enough to be better than a bracer.
I have a hard time believing it is.
It's... whatever.
Oh, the Lincoln's. Now on to Ty Long.
He's not even getting doomed, but do you have to worry about the Beastmaster Roar as well?
Yeah, it's a good item in this game.
So, it just makes sense.
Alright, spotted again. Is this a rinse-repeat situation?
He's gonna live this time, gets put into the snowball, so Big M's gonna sacrifice himself for the quaff.
And you might have to pop the BKB there.
Had to? Or did?
did. I'm trying to be optimistic here. He had to do it. They looked at him funny.
All right, funny four situation, but it's just a tusk. I feel like gamer leasing can
kind of contest snowball. Okay, they get the roar reflected. And he's just taken out of the boat. Oh,
boy, you're right. It was stolen. Oh my God. That beast master is Omega dead. They got the
a soul by double torrent very nicely done as ghost able to walk away the boros
right now they get the silence on the phoenix another depth for the road on
gamer legion and now hurrah can safely take right look at King jungle spell
arsenal right now he has ag shadow strike and axe war I'd say axe war it is
Act on the fucking roar, Reddy.
Yeah, that's good. I mean, it is Ag's roar as well, technically.
He has Ag's and it's a roar.
Yeah, but he doesn't get run some slalom.
No, it's too bad.
Bam.
This is a nasty, nasty Ruvik game.
There's so many insane steals.
Roar, Doom, Shadow Strike becomes a really powerful ability when you get the Ag's.
Just crazy stuff here, freaking levels.
And he can more or less reliably get his stuff off too.
That's the best part.
He's got Glimmer.
And you look at the way the dire lineup works, as long as he just plays backline,
he can work as a pseudo-save with the telekinesis, and then he can get in with his glimmer afterwards for the big play.
And if they use Doom or Roar on him, he's also happy, because that means it's not a core having to suffer through those consequences.
I genuinely feel like we're approaching the point where you might actually have to deal with this guy more so than the Kunka.
I think Rubik is carrying the game more than Kunka is, with 5,000 left net worth at this point.
Because his net worth is so incredibly valuable a conca in the game. That's right. He's got a chasm stone
Oh, he sold the bliss knuckles our IP ladies and gentlemen jinx
Jinx doesn't mean you get muted it just means we set the same thing at the same time it does mean actually I'll say oh
You're so you're muted for 30 you you canceled the rules. You don't know how it works. I really
Oh look, I bought him T1.
How the hell is that up with a Tiny in the game?
Hasn't been bought a much. Sure hasn't.
Working on the Daedalus next on Tiny, gonna be packing quite the punch.
I'd like to see some Tree-Bolly action eventually.
Like the panel will talk about Quap's win rate, not exactly the most impressive.
I mean, there's multiple losers in this game, right?
Kwap, Grimstroke, and Sandking, all three of them.
And Cinderan, too.
That's right.
I also have a pretty bad win rate.
I'm in the pain.
Haven't really felt it this game, I have to say.
RCY has had some good performances this tournament.
This has not been impressive.
And I don't know how much of it is to Fero, or if he has made some critical errors, but
this hasn't really seemed all that crazy so far.
When QWAP reaches late game, she becomes an absolute monster.
This is still, in my eyes, one of the very best late game heroes in all of Dota.
But he's far away from that.
Usually the reason that late game QWAP becomes so good is that she gets there at a good time
by snowballing off of at least decent early mid game.
But since he hasn't had that, that scary 5-6 slot QWAP is far away.
Still.
And they have the Roche banner placed bottom with two siege units.
And the tiny list, we forget.
It goes pretty fast.
This is going to be a backstab.
They know it too.
Nobody's showing in the base.
They're getting really good formation.
This is super good from Heroic.
KJ in the tree line.
Going to wait for a nice juicy steal.
Can he get another crazy one?
I mean, he just needs to wait.
He has Roar, Shadow Strike still.
So I don't even know if he wants to use it.
He gets off the Roar.
Telekinesis himself.
Yuma's there with a double avalanche as well.
Into the toss.
Into the burrow.
This RC white pup cannot do shit.
Just dead.
70 seconds on the deck ghost gets off the doom. It's on the same key, but there's absolutely no follow-up at all
And now Yuma
Taking all of this pressure off gets the avalanche ghost is gonna get saved from tusk, but now it's the big ultimate down
And out oh he gets the X though
Okay X and the boats
Nice one find the distance though, but the epicenter has been finally used by Tyline to finish the job
That's two cores dead for gamer Legion
And now the buildings will fall.
Uh-oh. King Jungles finds the great setup from the
tree line and even has the buyback to boot so he can rejoin
that fight. And this is bare minimum two sets.
Looking for an opening.
Borough does hit. Big num. Gonna try to waste as much
time as he can. Snowball's gonna be on the eulacore, but the avalanche will hold
hold them in place so an easy pick off. As Whisper, you'd be better off with some Blitz
Knuckles here to push this tower. Actually, the one time this is useful, he doesn't have
it anymore. Oh man, they're just bleeding here. They get the roar, but it's only onto
the Grimstroke. Telekinesis from King Jungles try to stay alive. Fade, you can tell he wants
this kill. There's a big Sonic wave with a Shadowshrek to follow as Yuma looks to be
next on the list that is the ages down and out now and fade just getting gone
on by whispered there's a soul bind into the shadow strike into the death yeah
that's that when you're when your crim stroke 4 can do this at 35 minutes just
blink soul bind hex 2 heroes you know you're in a good spot and this is now
two lanes if not more buyback had to be expended there from fade
I think they're going to settle for two sets and then spend their gold.
Like forcing this Megas might be a bit too difficult.
Let's see though.
Don't have to worry about Roar.
Zoom is off as Ghost.
Already at half HP just from one slap.
Forces the Bioback on the speed and that is what will force Heroic back.
Even better.
They got a little bit of bonus there with their aggression.
If they can get Faye, that's going to be a dieback, and the stun and speed will have to use the egg immediately.
Yuma's going to pop the BKB in retreat now.
No doom expended, so now, surely this is the full reset?
You'd think so.
Only the melee rack survives in this topside.
They used two BKBs there to force an egg, which is, or rather, because of egg, which is fine.
gamer legion have to find a way to come back despite all the odds to stay in this
tournament after such a good start in the group stage we've seen it
I think at least two times well I think one of the lucky in the past
I believe that's correct just feels like they're just missing it over that
little hump yeah I mean they're just they just feel like on this
international stage with with all the big teams there or at least most of them they just are
they just can't quite hit the upper half like they're they're just through and through right
now and nine through 12th team that's what it feels like um and that's got to be a little bit
frustrating because you you kind of know you're in reach you know it's in striking distance just
a little bit of improvement here and there and then you can maybe make it to the more exciting
stage of the tournaments here but you're not playing against the second division at Vahia.
This is the big boys, all of them, including two of the biggest boys that for whatever
reason just completely flopped in this tournament. Yandex and Tundra both went 0-3.
It feels like a very good up, I mean all the opportunities to get a higher placement.
Those two teams being out?
Well, that begs the question, does that mean that they were significantly worse or that
the other teams have leveled up because of the other teams level up, that doesn't, you know,
true, that puts Gamer Legion on maybe a similar trajectory to them and then they're still 9 through
12. I mean, okay, it goes without saying Yandex and Tundra definitely weren't playing their best
games, right? It's clear. It was a bit of Colony and B at the same time. I've been overall pretty
impressed with the level of play from some teams that generally don't necessarily bring that to
at the same level.
Gamer Legion one of them.
Just again, I think it's fair to say they're better than they were with the previous Gamer
Legion iteration.
Just not enough better yet, at least not today, unless they somehow do a really cool comeback
here in win game 3.
That would be a statement, but you have 20% of the map and 20,000 deficit currently.
Got to find a way out here. They're letting Beastmaster push out mid with his summons.
That's the only lane that they kind of have any control of right now.
Doom is slowly going to get to work up top as well. Just trying to get something across here.
Let me level 25 talent for Tiny here, the 8th Avalanche cooldown.
I personally find that to be the better talent most of the time.
I know people are very tempted, and I would say most players do take the 2 toss charges.
It's like an avalanche, we're in such a wild talent when you think about it.
It's like, it's an AoE stun whose cooldown goes from 14 to 6.
Yeah, it's absurd.
It's wild.
It's such a good talent.
The toss does have, obviously, some stuff.
Also very good.
It has extra merit, this game, against Quap, because you can just change stun her twice,
so I get it.
But even then, he chooses this nice-
Oh boy, oh boy.
I can't chew that soul bite.
Oh my god.
This supports dead for the rest of the game. Now it's a 3v5. Ghost gets off Doom, Shadow
Strike, shortly after. They're just going to try to waste this out now. Roar on the
back side onto the Rubik. Wind Waker from Whisper. Tylen comes in with the Burrow Strike.
Not going to hit because of the BKBs. Epicenter to follow. Now fades in a lot of trouble. Meanwhile,
Ghost taking a ton of damage. The Sonic Wave is too late to save his comrade. Four dead
for Gamer Legion. The Sonic Wave stolen. One more steal for the road. Four KJ.
And these are the last two buybacks for Gamer Legion. Five versus two. No point in going for that roast. They can get megas and they can get thrown.
Those two support deaths up top from Gamer Legion is just, that's just a big blunder. They're very, very much out of position, both of them.
So two heroes out of position simultaneously and close together. The dream setup for Grimstroke to find the soul bind double hacks.
Well, as soon as those two heroes got caught together, the game was actually over.
Like, the game will even have zero chance of holding until they respawn.
So they force fights with the remaining heroes that they have, but obviously, don't really stand a chance in the 3v5.
Phoenix is about to respawn. We'll give them one last shot at a 4v5, but...
Kunk has Ghost Ship and Pipe Ready. I just don't think they have the damage without Beastmaster.
And he really leveled up once he saw those blitzknuckles.
I'll tell you what, those who have initiations are going to get avalanches and a triple burrow strike from Ty Long and a Sonic Wave again!
Just decimating the competition as GG's come out. Heroic taking 2-0.
Damn.
And unfortunately Mane's gamer legion are out of the tournament. Heroic move on to the playoffs.
Very well deserved. KJ MVP of this game, down a percent.
played super on there. I love watching Rubik when it's a game with big
steals and the players get to realize that potential of the hero. Just a
wonderful showcase there of the heroine. Yeah we say goodbye to Gamer Legion
unfortunately you can see the disappointment on their faces. They've
been here before they'll be here again in this spot just close but not quite.
And heroic in similar heroic fashion 3-2 is a pretty common Swiss for them. They
move on very entertaining game Richard yeah I agree speed might be playing for
game in legion but it was heroic I finished that one fast just too good
really good to see
go on it's okay we've been negative on this on this panel it's fine I mean since
they did get eliminated I would love to just talk about her yeah yeah yeah they
They played pretty good compared to the last time we saw them.
I think having this tiny first pick not get answered was a big part of why this game went so smooth for them.
I feel like this hero cannot go unanswered.
As we saw last game, the last game was a good answer.
It was banned this game, but there's obviously other heroes too.
And I got a hand to the support structure.
They played out of their mind.
spirit tried going for the shadow leader in the beginning decided maybe this is not the right
play which of his item build overall great execution when it comes to item build the Lotus was
very useful oh yeah yeah it was it was nice i think for heroic we almost never there's almost
never a skill issue like all of their players are unbelievably high skill it's usually like the only
only concerns we have is like, can they execute on their skill?
And it seems like today they have changed their drafting around a little bit where
you know, Tai Lung is getting more priority in the draft, which is really cool.
They're using Yuma as the type of carry that he is, which in my opinion is very
consistent. He's like one of the most improved carries of the season, if not
number one, improved carry of the season. And then, you know,
whispers doing his like regular thing where they last pick him something that's
unbelievably weird in the current meta but then he still pops off with it and
yeah I totally agree with the two supports like every single player on
heroic played amazing today I'm super convinced on the Rubik's Shard like
after watching this stage a performance it's so good I like the the win-waker
comparison that you're you're getting something that's essentially like 7000
Gold value arguably more because you're not dis you're not disabling your teammate
And it's for only
1,400 gold I totally understand why this hero is being played as a flight position now and in KJ
Even able to build into like the agonim scepter because this game was so good
You're always getting the greedy enchantment
So I think you can kind of go for these greedier builds and it makes sense
And I love it because he can become the queen of pain as well if he gets to steal the shuttle strike and the blink
Suddenly he becomes an even better version of the Queen of Paints as Rubik has just naturally buffs his spells
With the cooldown and damage and yeah going cast range usually on the neutral
No, what can you say about this guy as well? What a series of masterclass with Zeus and Rubik?
So many saves. Yeah, just a beast. Yeah, a Rubik
his Rubik is great
Meta defining meta defining player as well like this is why heroic even when they would have rough tournaments
was still one of my favorite teams to watch.
They just pick whatever they want.
Like the meta that they play is almost never the meta
that anybody else plays.
And it's like, here's our cards.
You've never seen them before.
Like figure it out right now, you know?
And it's so difficult.
So it's really cool when this team is doing well
because they're like the most entertaining team to watch.
We'll take a look at the game for what it was worth.
Obviously we say goodbye to Game of Legion.
27 minutes in, Andrew.
27 minutes in.
And yeah, this was, it was actually even at this point.
In fact, Gamer Legion had a little bit of an advantage.
And we wanted, didn't we?
Because we were talking about how they had the 30% win rate
heroes that could this game turn around?
But yeah.
And it could.
With the really nice Lotus Orb, we pointed out
that the Lotus Orb was from fog, right?
So it's from fog.
And it was like split second before the Doom used the Doom,
and which effectively means that Doom is
doing himself for a full duration while the tiny little server is just doomed
itself very long. And then in the same in the same fight while this is
happening the Sand King, Tylong gets to survive at like super low HP because of
the Rubik's cube lift onto the high ground over the cliffs as well just like
the perfect the perfect place to lift somebody to save him. So many good saves.
Yeah well look we're gonna do an interview because we always do when the
team gets through. I believe we've got KJ in the house, the king of the jungle,
King of the interviews. Good to see you again brother. I feel it's good to see you
Hello, hell yeah, dude. What's up, brother? How you doing?
I'm doing fine. I'm doing good. Yeah. Yeah, I had a lot of dopamine today, you know, zoos and
I remember you were playing warlock no dopamine. Oh, the no dopamine game. Oh, it's my time to shine
You know all these support fives at the warlock in Shakira
By to them the heroes are not that good. They can still pick it, right?
I mean look, I'll stop by just asking you about the Zeus. I mean talk about dopamine gaming
You got that lovely greedy, you know pause five life
To talk us through why you like playing that hero, why it's a signature of you?
I don't know if it's a signature here because I haven't played it much before but like
You're making it look like a signature here
Yeah, I mean it's a
And there's the support but we're not so it's a bit harder to find the good ones right now.
I feel like people are still trying out.
For example, by division, they pick this Mirana a lot, which makes sense.
What they want to do because they want to buy some more items, but like you have more freedom to pick support fives now.
I feel and I love that.
And I feel like zoos in this matter where there's a lot of English heroes, like sinking tiny.
It makes life way easier and also I like it. I feel like I'm a good with the hero
So it's a it's a combination. Do you think the greedy enchantments like guaranteed greedy helps out for picking like the
Greedier supports like Zeus because I saw you want eggs
Saunton kaya, right like you didn't go like some support build. No this series
You guys but previously you want the eggs Saunton kaya. Yeah, you did the pub build
I mean, it's a degree is one of the most of the things for sure.
And also I like him because he's like a Mili range here.
So like, sometimes you need to find good combinations of heroes and sometimes you ended up with
like Phoenix Viper, Skyra of Mage, you know, and then like no one is, they don't have a
Mili.
So like his, he's kind of a me that wins lanes.
but you also need your team to let you farm.
So yeah, that's it.
At some point, it becomes so tanky
that it doesn't even look like you're playing at zoos.
He managed to burst me this game sometimes,
but I feel like you could not do that anymore
for the last fights.
Just ask you some stuff about the team.
Because we were talking about the draft from yesterday,
where I think you put Tylung on Bristleback.
And we were kind of wondering about the logic of that because we were we are and we the royal we myself
We kind of feel you know, it's a young prodigy
Mechanically gifted you might want him on
Playmaking heroes rather than more steady heroes. So could you talk about the idea behind that?
The idea is brain damage. We just got brain damage
We're not using our brain at all. So we had a talk about it and
And if I try to explain, you guys are going to lose IQ.
So I keep the burden to me.
I really lost enough IQ.
Yes, it's hard to understand.
I know that's life.
Like we just got brain damage.
You know, like when you play both and you lose,
I think the hardest thing about playing tournament
in like is that you lose.
Like you're going to lose a lot and you're going to win.
But like you need to not have mental damage
through all the losses, because it makes you worse throughout the tournament, you know.
I feel like, for example, that's one of the reasons why Liquid is very good, because I
don't feel like they got a lot, get a lot of mental damage when they lose.
So when the tournament passes, like everyone starts very well.
I don't know if Gamelision, for example, had brain damage, just because they lost.
But just an example, like they started well, and now they're doing worse.
We started well, I feel, and then we started doing worse.
So I feel like a lot of it is surviving the defeats, because then like, ah, I don't want
play this here anymore. Let's just pick these and blah blah. No, let's use our brain, but
it's very hard out there. Yeah, sure. I wanted to ask you on the subject of Tylong, was that
his call or your team's call when it comes to picking him Bristol back in Viper?
It's a bit of both, because he really wants to play those heroes. I would say it's both. We don't
force him to play it. We will never force him. He has to want to play it for us, for him to play
it. So he wants it because he's very good at the hero. He can make some miracles, but
I feel like people are figuring it more as time passes. So like it has been harder to
make him shine that and that's something that we maybe slept a little bit about because
before he picked Viper and like play against the sniper, for example, and we have a super
good game of play against the natures and have a super good game. But then like time passes
and people are doing the heroes better, the heroes change, the meta changed and we need
to adapt but also we need to realize that that is becoming harder to make it work.
He thinks he's gonna destroy everything no matter what you know but like for example...
Classic 17 year old. Yeah for example like the Viper he can destroy the Hypermeat but like
do I want my 17 year old? He not the hero match but he the player can destroy it but do I want my
17 year old to play Viper against his Hypermeat? That's not what I mean. I don't think so right?
I know you can play a bad matchup and win, but let's try to make our life easier.
So it's a bit of a theme and a bit of us.
I also want to ask you, you've been with the team for two years almost, a little bit longer, right?
How do you feel about the current roster compared to the other rosters that you have?
The only survivors are me and Kevds.
I feel like this roster right now is the best I've had my entire life.
So like it's the best team I've had my entire life.
I'm very happy with it.
I trust in everyone in the team.
And I feel like they're just very good right now.
Before I also trusted in the team,
but I feel like right now we have a very good combination.
There are still things to fix.
For example, mental,
feel like our mental is not on there yet,
but I don't blame people for that
because it's hard, especially like,
for example, we love PGL, right?
But like when you're playing your third PGL in the year and TI is like fire and you haven't gone home for so long, you're like,
and then you lose, you're like, you don't go like, guys, nothing matters, we're going to win tomorrow, let's go, like you want to like...
No, it's tough, yeah, it really is. I mean, you go back to a hotel as well, you know, maybe your partner, your friends or your family, they're not there to support you.
People don't know life on the road, it sucks.
So I feel like DotAWise is the best thing I ever had.
Mental-wise, it's good.
Maybe before we were exactly better,
but it depends on times of the year.
Like, for example, when TI comes, you'll get free boost.
Like, no one is vagabond lazy at TI.
Everyone on TI gets free mental boost.
OK, well, last question for you.
I got the sense, based on your body language
over the course of the tournament,
that getting to the playoffs was very important for you
this time. I mean it always is but it felt like you guys, like when you lost you looked
a little bit more defeated than usual. Normally you're quite a good vibes team. So are you
setting yourselves like a higher standard as something changed?
I feel like we always expect a lot from us and this sometimes doesn't match with our
skill level at the moment or as a team. So for example when we played against South
of America rejects in the qualifier,
there was the feeling that if you guys lose to them,
you are the worst team ever.
You know, like losing to the Peruvian stack
that doesn't have an org and you are like,
and then they come here and they are like,
taking game, they're like,
they're genuinely, they're genuinely good.
Yeah, they're good.
But this happens to every team,
like you lose to Paris vision, they are super good team.
You know, like, you know, we lost to Paris vision,
they are good, they got the best of us,
but no, it's like, I'm the worst shit ever.
What am I doing with my life?
Why didn't I go to college?
That's always how it feels like when you lose. Yeah, I feel like every loss is like this and also
I think I'm getting old because I'm feeling some back pain some neck. I don't you guess
I want to ask I'm not high jack for one last
Obviously, you know, I respect you very very highly the way you think about life and everything and one thing that really
Shocked me what we first started talking in a good way was how like fiercely competitive you are you said to me
We were talking about what you're gonna do after Dota and you said after Dota
it's just death like you you don't even you don't even think of that point of your life as anything
because you're so focused on now can you explain that to people like how you think about that because
i think this is like one of the most interesting things that i've heard anyone say i mean how can
i explain a little bit of that basically like both things are life like you've committed so much to
it like you cannot it's hard to think what happens after it because like everything you've done until
now is this game, right? Like everything is related to this game. When you lose, it actually
feels like you want to die, you know, at least from me. When you win, it's actually so good.
So after giving up, like you give up so many things. After giving up all the things, like
moments, normal life that people have, all the feelings that you have throughout this game,
like you need to depend on other people, like the lack of control, you didn't choose it. Like
Like basically, I feel like it's like life and death
because it's also something that you don't choose.
Like you are a nerd, teenager nerd,
you start playing video games,
suddenly you're very good at it,
suddenly you're getting money,
and then like, you cannot give up on it.
Like it's not even a choice.
Like if I give up on DOTA right now
before I leave Indonesia,
it's like, it's something that I will regret
for the rest of my life.
You know, money wise, dream wise, time wise,
like I'm down it, I have to fucking do it
because there's no option.
So I have no idea what's after it, because I didn't even choose to enter this, I'm just here.
Yeah, you didn't choose the Dota Life, the Dota Life.
Amazing.
Listen, brother, it's always great to talk to you.
Thanks so much for being kind with your time of regard, and I will let you go.
You may leave, your time here is done.
Okay, good to see you.
Unless you want to stay while I close out the show.
I can stay in the comment now.
I want to go rest.
Okay, thank you.
Good to see you.
Stop pruning your rankets.
I'll do my best.
No problem.
the brother take care all right the great KJ what can you say about that I
mean obviously just an inspirational player genuinely one of the most
interesting people I've ever met yeah I love this take on Dora I feel like it's
alright like I feel like it was the same for me you just you play this game for
fun you realize you're good and then once you give it a try and it gets sucked
into this like competitive scene and yeah basically you have no choice you have
to just keep going what what stood out to me is how genuinely he believes
everything he's saying when it comes to this like he doesn't just say it because you're supposed to he
he feels it and that's what that's why I think you put a good roster around this guy which they have
like they're gonna do amazing. Well guys that's it from us we are gonna take a quick break when
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Hey everybody, welcome to a fun opportunity here with Witt from the South American Rejects.
How are you?
Hello Witt.
All right, good, good.
Now I want to talk to you about your team's name.
Now, if I'm correct, everyone on the squad is Peru, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And the Peruvian rejects have been around for a very long time, but you guys have changed
now to the South American rejects, despite everyone being from Peru.
I wanted to ask, why is that a conscious decision to represent the entire region?
We are not the only Peruvian fans.
Also we have the Brazilian fans, so that's because we changed, I think.
Yeah.
I have a responsibility to South America to do well.
Do you feel pressure for those fans?
Not any pressure, but I'm always trying to do my best.
Oh, a good way to live, good way to play Dota.
All right, great.
So let's talk about the last event.
What do you guys think happened?
What did you learn?
I think we were improving from game by game,
but it wasn't enough.
but now we are trying to do it.
Mm, do you think the mid-tournament patch
had anything to do with it?
We didn't play any game into a new patch,
only against Aurora, I think.
Right.
It was a big game.
That one game was kinda important, but okay, very good.
I wanna talk to you about your guys' team
and why you work so well together.
So why do you think you guys are staying together and why does it work?
I think there is a good environment and that's a way that we can talk, any mistake and nothing
can happen.
Sure, sure.
So you're willing to learn and get better together.
Who do you want to face off against the most at this tournament?
I think it can be Roik because there is Tylo and my friends.
Okay, Ty Lung the friend. He's been rising a lot. A lot of people love this guy. Are you ready to crush him or what?
Yeah. How did you meet? How long have you known him?
We met like five, six years ago. I made him my first date with him.
Really?
Yeah, we were 8K or 17.
Did you ever think both of you would be on competing e-sports teams?
I'm really intespected.
No, you really?
Yeah.
Why'd you play to get all the way to 8k
if you didn't want to be a pro?
That's, I think, for fun.
We're a high MMR, and we started to see and we
played more competitive tournaments.
I could tell.
Yeah.
Well, you guys are doing great.
You're the new generation of South America.
Yeah, we also qualified to jail together.
Hey, yeah.
Very good.
Is there anyone that you used to look up to?
Yatoro.
Yatoro? Interesting.
I noticed you did not say you wanted to crush Yatoro, though.
I respect him, but I want to ask him.
Okay, so last question. What's your expectations here?
We want to hold the Flails.
Well, it seems like a lot of hard work. It seems like a lot of fun.
And it seems like you guys are ready to kick some ass.
Good to hear, man.
Any words to the fans who you are representing
as the South American rejects now?
Thank you very much.
I'm going to continue to work hard and continue to do what I'm doing.
All right.
Fantastic.
Well, thank you so much.
It's a pleasure to have you here.
Can't wait to see you absolutely crush your Toro.
I know how much you hate him.
Thank you so much.
And we'll see if it happens here at PGO Valakia Season 8.
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do have some pretty interesting
little matchups. Elimination is
what I live for. You know,
prevent the teams from getting
into the playoffs. They're one
series away from actually
getting into the main meat of
the tournament. So this is the
best day of Dota. I think. Well
then, you know, the best days
of Doty normally want to say
finals day, but no, it's today.
will be our first two victims.
Actually, one of them will be the victim
and the other one will be the victor.
We're gonna find out as we are focusing our attention first
on what these two teams have been doing.
What have they been playing?
And what can they be playing today?
Lacoste, both of these teams,
how do you feel about the heroes that could come out today?
These are probably some of the crazier,
if not the two most innovative teams
that we still have left at the tournament
because they're gonna be picking whatever.
This is something that Maus have been doing
with every standing, every iteration of the Maus,
but we can look at some of the team-specific heroes.
We on the morning panel, I don't know if you guys watch this,
we were big on Necro.
Like we talked about Necro probably like for 15, 20 minutes
total so far in the last couple of days
because we think the hero's good.
And there are some specific heroes as well.
Of course, Scofield, he's gonna be playing
Nexus Asset Position 4.
And on the Maus side, I think they're also very innovative
when it comes down to the carry roll, testing out Phantom Lancer, and you see Yamaha Budge
like yesterday, he did go ham. I think we can talk about the Greedy enchantments as
well being like as a support player T, you probably love the life right now.
I mean, it's good. The fact that you actually have a choice if you want to go for Greedy
or not.
You don't have a choice.
There we go.
Trick question.
There is actually a debate though for tier two. All right, the 75 GPM, you can trade it
maybe for Calf's range or Brawny, depending on the type of hero you're playing. You might
actually skip it. But taste, read, lock in that 100 GPM, get the dollar bills, get yourself
that investment for the future and you know, scale into the game.
Yeah, scaling into the game is also what this man on your screen is looking to do. It's
Lornav under the mouse banner here.
Get a team already. Seriously, just like, please get him. Like he's been theme less
for almost like four, six months. It's pretty early. They're getting ridiculous at this
point. Like he's the ultimate mercenary pretty much. You hire him. You know the results.
are going to be good. Valakia, the previous one wasn't as good. I can't really even put it on him.
It was like the whole squad not doing as well, but he's ready to win you a tournament, get you a
second place as well. Fissure Playground as well. He got a fifth place and yeah, he's just there.
Like he grinds every single time and I don't know if he actually wants to join a team.
No, maybe it's a better in the contract. Maybe like just the one-off contract is better.
It's like, you know, like your phone plan, you know, it's like the one month's more expensive than the 12 months or yeah, it makes sense to be fair.
I mean, it's it's incredible what he's been managing to achieve as a standing and with that in mind was miles that when they did win a well, I can they did it with the stand and as well.
So today they have a shot of making it to the playoffs with a stand in once again, their opponent, South American rejects.
They have been a little hot and cold.
Of course, yesterday they had a little bit of a rough day against ParaVision.
They started out strong, but then they got a little bit outdrafted.
So I'm hoping that you guys can shine some light on what went wrong with the team
and potentially what you hope to see from them today,
which would be an indicator that they got all their issues fixed.
I'd say yesterday they had quite a big focus on trying to win lanes,
snubble the game like classic Dota,
and they just weren't able to win out the lanes in Game 2 and 3.
And they just got kind of picked apart. I think in their draft
They had some options to be a bit more kind of I guess smart with it like hold your
Cards your chest. I don't reveal the Necrophos so early. Yeah pick tight hunter
They could have like really owned the draft
But I think they kind of invited pVision to to counter them a little bit and one thing we have to say for South American
Regents, you know what they're playing the other qualifier. They lost to pVision went back to the hotel
Yeah, they played two more best of three
I was I was awake at like you know, I went to bed like 2 30 in the morning, right? Yeah
Like midnight I load up just like twitch and I was what's happening is our TV. Oh, no, it's not. Oh, it's you know
South American rejects still playing
Series that they still have like one more to go
like
On the more serious note. They are
I'm not gonna say tired. This is what Dota players do anyway
It just doesn't matter if you're playing like this tournament or that and maybe gives you less time to prepare for a certain team
But you're also going to be revealing more stuff to your opponents what you could put in potentially
There's like a lot of more info about you how you're approaching the drafts which yours you prioritize
Maybe they're going to be trying to hide some of the stats
But you also want to be qualifying for other tournaments as well. So you probably go 100% anyway
Yeah, it's it's also really nice that with this day of daughters that you win this best of free
You just get the full mental reset. You're finished with the group stage. How turbulent it can be
Now you have to double and then play off ahead of you like it is a really like this is like all the pressure can can be gone
Right you heard in like the speed interviews earlier in the tournament getting to play off is like the best thing because it's like again
It's the whole new tournament right
So we'll see if South American rejects can overcome just the exhaustion of how you know it long here has been for them in the last like three
four days
Yeah, we're in it here for game one miles with first pick on their pango
We got South American rejects instantly answering with the grim stroke. Yeah
good grim stroke seems to be the answer to pango in a way where
People are like picking blood seeker before as a response immediately back when blood seeker was a good hero and the
Grim stroke is like he received some of the cool buffs where you can actually choose how you want your
Stroke to get out of whether you want to be you know using it in a different way
The trail now gets applied so you take less damage as well with all your spells and your attacks. It provides vision
So that's quite a nice and also a bit of an underrated talent in the game
His level 15 talent gives you 25% spell amp. You just click that on someone you don't even have to link it
He's just like up you're receiving extra 25% damage. It doesn't even need to be like single target spells
No need to be something like targets to buy. It's just anything is it is truly bonkers and one thing that has been
apparently a brimstone with the loss of the facets not being able to cancel your inkswell
people I think respect the bug a lot more and that is another way to counter the pangor
right like if you have levels three points in your bug it takes three hits to kill it
if you can get that from the treeline pangor can't get away now like he's just stuck he
has to like click it it's- do you just call his his wife a bug yeah it's literally a bug
yeah i would say i would say it's a bug yeah it's like his wife no you've not played the
the weaver gremlin, the double boggling. Yeah, yeah. It's like, it's actually his
wife. So to his wife. I mean, he's the one I think who it's also, I think the whole
lore is that he's that's his dead wife. And I don't know if he has like much
respect for I think there's like some dark. No, I don't get out of here.
Back out alive. Why can't you preach to them? You know, like, he has two wives.
He has a tailbone. That's too technical for me. And it's same. But either way, um,
Today I learned, I guess, Eve way, it's a bug still for me, still is, still is.
Speaking of some of the supports, like Clockwork, Schofield is just an indifferent.
This guy is like, I feel like he doesn't even play Dota, he has his own mini game that he
tries to play, like even in the previous patches when he was playing Clockwork, you would see him
get like level three at seven minutes and you're like, it's going to be a terrible game.
then he goes for it, like the XP rune, he gets it, maybe steals it from the enemy,
gets one, two more kills, suddenly he's level 7 at 10. Like he has a very specific gameplay
in every single game, like he likes to play Nix's Assassin, these heroes that are not
considered to be the strongest laners, I think they also have a bit of a flex,
but this Clockwork can be played as a position 5, he also did play Grimstroke,
so have a bit of an opportunity to swap them around.
And do you have preference there?
Depends, like they're gonna see one more pick,
see where the heroes are going to go, more likely even though Miles is probably going to be picking
position 4 for themselves here on the 15. Depending whether they want to have like
melee range combo, maybe they are going to be having to slightly more info to see if this
pango is going to be played from the off lane and then try to ruin them with some like range
carry as well, combined with the clockwork, it could be very devastating.
The only team that shied away from wanting to play the Pudge for quite some time, I don't
think I have seen Yamich playing the hero.
It's only been recently that he's gone back to it.
Of course, he did play against VP going 5-on-18 in this tournament.
I think it helps, at least against Clockwork Grimm, like conceptually.
You saw Boyntaguy, you know, Cogsaguy just hooking them out is naturally going to be
quite helpful.
like Tusk can't really play into the Grimstroke. You so bind the one guy you're killing, you blink in the symbol save,
you won't be able to utilize your spells.
Kuka is also a good response to Hook. Like it can be good and bad at the same time, depending whether you're using Hook
when he's like used his combo or if he's gonna be holding that X mark knowing that the hook is gonna come and then you can
pull him back in. One thing I respect about South American Rejects is that they're picking the heroes that they've been picking their whole lives.
Like you see Scofield most likely gonna be on clockwork a dark Mago when you think about him
Like there's always two heroes one is conca the second one is tiny
We don't see tiny from the mid lane anymore, but again this budge from Yamich
I think this hero is good like we tried to nerf him then we realized well
We took away both of the facets from the hero so he's kind of shit
So we have to give him something so you gave him a lot of strength
We gave him to strength per kill that he gets so he can become super tanky especially if he was off to a good start
It also helps that Maus have a lot of heroes that want to skirmish and make things happen.
Phoenix wants to go find some fights, Pangoli wants to find fights, and Pudge wants to play behind that.
If you had a very AFK farm draft, Pudge would look kind of out of place,
but it kind of makes sense of how much information Phoenix and Pangoli would give.
You would expect Yamachi to have some moves.
The thing is, though, South American Rejects, they are just locking in very formidable heroes
that can just stand their ground, like Kunka and Doom both itemized to walk into a fight
and go, we can just BKB right click an egg. We don't care about a pangole. Of course,
we know the supports can be susceptible to dying. And then, Lorinoff getting his ember
for math. So here they first picked in a previous draft, now they get it on pick 18. I mean,
you're not really getting locked down by anything other than Doom or Soulbind. Everything else,
you expect Lorinoff to be able to dodge and kite.
X can be slightly annoying. Just gives you enough time for you to get close and maybe
use some of the spells. Yeah, but the Soulbind Doom is going to be the big one. I think also
the reason why Grimstroke is also popular is we're seeing another Beastmaster meta for
like seven years in a row. And Doom has been buffed and then he has been nerfed two times,
but the hero still feels okay. It's not like super overpowered like he was at the beginning
of the patch, but having double Doom makes the fight so much easier to play.
It's true. It is kind of a funny combination because on paper you're always like double doom, but in the game
You don't even see it. Yeah, you see it at one time. Yeah, it's like kind of it's like hard to consistently get it
But I'd like to think that maybe
You know with the the type of draft that they have with the hookshot the x the containment
We'll see at least one or two double dooms
a very quick
Final couple bands and to pick actually not even any time to talk about what they might be doing
They just go for the tiny of course life still is very important here in the previous series against tiny
will always be one of the counters too tiny and yeah just a very quick draft
from mouse like both literally and also in in play and what they're gonna be
doing it's shadow play tiny go kill it's ember with mage or vessel go kill
pangolio diffuser mage there go kill like it's a lot of win lane go go go from
mouse so what kind of carry could withstand that onslaught because it
looks like wits is still without a
what stand you said
a lot of the carries are removed
like even in the first phase but they're going to be
picking the windrangers straight away I don't
think they had many options available
this hero is really not
having the greatest of the time so far in the tournament
the hero has been like nerfed at
at 27% winrate. Because you lost both of the good facets, you can't really flex the hero
anymore. And I'm not sure if I like it too much. Like there isn't that much control.
There is like some slow that is coming out, in which he doesn't care too much about it.
But also no ways to amplify any of the damage. I'm a big fan of Windranger plus Slardar.
Anything that can just give you a little bit of oomph. But kind of a win ranger that doesn't
have anything to play off, could be a bit tricky. And it's going to be Schofield playing
the Grimstroke because this is something that we mentioned, maybe they're going to try to
find a range carry paired up with the clockwork in the safe lane to try to put slightly more
pressure on the off-lane.
Let's go for Wostel by Blinken going on the Grimstroke.
The playstyle's still going to be there. One interesting thing is from the player camps
that we had, Vintage, their coach, he was doing a lot of talking at the end of the draft
and he then locked in the win range of pick. I didn't really see Witt so like he was saying
about his pick so maybe it's like a different dynamic that we've seen from
other other teams it's like this coach was like this you're playing you're playing the
win ranger yeah he's like yeah okay like so that's one thing to at least know
maybe which wasn't like the one pushing for the idea maybe it's a coach thing
but it has been hit or miss I think for this team this hero I don't mind it but
I'm not like blown away by it okay let's hear from our commentary team are they
blown away by the Windranger. Oh, reporting in from the studio, General Shiva. Yes, we are blown away
by the Windranger. However, we are impressed by the fact that we're going to be getting
Yamich Paj, we're going to be getting Lornaf and Embersburg, but also some classics like the
Scofield Talkwork. Always very fun to watch. And I think it's going to be just a fighting game.
What's your scheme, is it? Yeah, it's going to be a very interesting game. On one side,
we've got Pajron, the other at the same time, Ember, you know, Ember in a really good spot,
But whenever played by Lorna off as well like full comfort zone, I would say on both sides. That's why the draft was this quick
Yeah, and we're gonna head into the game also really quick. Let's see what's happening in game one
Thank you very much general
We are getting into it game one between miles and the South American rejects both of these sides big list have a winner of
PJ Wallachia in their squads and I think it's one of these things where it's heartbreaking to know
You have the capability to win a tournament, but still not make the playoffs
So this one I think of all the series today maybe has the highest emotional stakes emotional damage the first hook
emotional damage as well
punch of course one of
Emotionally diverse heroes the most emotionally diverse if you can hit those hooks you feel really great if you miss hooks
Not as much so far so good cogs are up. Okay, so Michelle
Should be able to get out of here. The new improved clock, of course, you can walk over cogs now
So that's kind of nice. You get hooked, you can use them and then just walk away.
So not too bad. By the way, Pudge already using all of his mana is quite a big deal.
Another big deal, they spent so much time chasing Elmisho that there was an opportunity for
Tartar to make a reject to collect all four bounty runes. One of the heroes was making a chase.
That's a good start right there. They do this thing where they take the range creep down bottom.
I've seen this like a new meta new approach to the offline. It's all right
You secure the range creep post you secure that the lane will be most likely pushed in
It won't be scoffed by the way playing clockwork. That's one thing that we need to
Say it's going to be on me show step. So a little bit of a difference, but still
Good clockwork. Yeah, it's interesting, but it makes sense right in this kind of a game
Grim, why not put Clockwork with Windranger and Grimstroke that obviously has a lot of
value with the Doom in the lane?
Like, you can sometimes switch the players, but it's all to their preference as well.
Let's go field already doing his job, dragging in some waves for Frank to be able to farm
up.
I could do his best to interrupt this, but...
Interfield should get there.
You know what?
Like, this is kind of interesting to me, because Grim plus Doom, level 1, do not strike me
is a particularly weak lane into Phoenix and Tiny. The problem is, of course, Tiny will
deny a lot of creeps from you because he's got the damage advantage, but overall, I think
that they could have maybe even just normally lane tier, but okay, this was a massive drag
under the tier 3 even.
I won't get to see this every day. It's going to be some free CS and experience with GoField.
The thing is like the new Doom, well, somewhat new Doom, and the way you play him, you don't
You don't even take it to level 3 most of the time, right?
Like you get two levels of score cert and you get infernal blade.
So because of that, I might have expected them to duke it out a little bit.
Like Doom is actually pretty good versus Tiny, you got max HP as damage as well, which isn't that bad.
On the other side of the map, Doom on his offlane Pangolier, dealing with this wind ranger ahead of him.
Perseverance is going to be coming out early. Is this going to be one of those mage layer games coming out from the pango?
Yeah, I think it's a good MaceLayer game, for sure.
It's decent.
Like, you could go diffusal this game as well.
Pango, you know how I feel about the hero?
When it comes to Pango and Sand King,
I prefer both of them on the mid lane in the current state,
but Pango may be a little bit more versatile than the Sand King
when it comes to being played on off-lane as well.
Now's our mid lane going here. Dark Muggle is about enough.
As is expected, the Kunkka is doing pretty well.
X himself back
Very funny to see this happen whenever to into an ember spirit because usually the embers later on
We'll do this with the remnants. So it's like, yeah, that's how it feels. Yeah, they can both do it
Right like the reason why you have to do it a little bit earlier is because of Yamage. He's still level one
But he's had some impact. He's rotating around the map. He's taking water homes
Ember got his so kunkka needed to TP back
So far nothing crazy happening in these lanes on me show we'll collect the Lotus
It's going to struggle to approach their lane a little bit as Yamich is doing some other shenanigans trying to bring him a creep wave.
He'll pull his own from the hard camper now.
They're not the easiest lane for him as well.
They're actually taking Grim bottom with Grimstroke. They want to try and go onto Yamich.
Elmisho will throw out the brugganade, receive the ink swell and close down onto this punch.
Battery assault is out. The damage is in. Kog will hold him in position.
And El Misho, not granted the first blood, it is claimed by that errant creep, but nonetheless it's a kill-on-to-pudge.
Not too bad for Pango at least, because in the end, even though they do kill him, they double the wave.
So the waves are going to push in down bottom, which is not something perhaps that they expected to happen, but yeah, from Pudge.
His death was not totally in vain at least.
Boom will be like, thanks gang.
Just try to recover here, El Nisho will try to at least interrupt Boom while he's doing
all of this.
But eventually, Elmich will return to the lane, wave as you said, pushing underneath the tower
so Boom should be able to pick up some CS here.
What build are we expecting here from Dark Markov?
Of course, we're going to start off with the Facebooks, but are we going Silverage this
game?
Do you want to see those Sheavers build?
going even more old school into radiance, what's the map?
I didn't see any radiance from him, or aghanims or anything like that, I've seen some shadow
blades and stuff, just to be very active on the map, maybe some utility as well.
We'll see.
I don't mind the silhouettes at all, I feel like the item is a very good spot, so if any
hero can die, if you need or if you do not need a break, it's still good.
full field. Came middle, was thinking about making something happen on to
Lornoff, but another day Darkmog was like nah, I asked him, he's chilled, let's just
keep farming. Does leave the Doom alone in the top side of the map, so we'll see
if they try to play aggressively onto him. It's very hard, it's very difficult for
Phoenix plus Tiny to take him down, but if you want to progress on the Doom I
think that you need at least an additional target.
Let's see, Lornoff is about to crack 6, he's level 5 and a half, so they need to kill him
now at all, El Misho making a rotation behind him, they get the vision, they can get the
X, but Yamich will interrupt the move by finding Skowfield first, Skowfield did get a very good
int as well and with the Cards from El Misho they bring down Yamich, Lornoff will at least
throw out the Slider Fist, getting the kill onto Skowfield, but it's probably gonna cost
them his life, he gets boated, Fitz even shows up out of nowhere with the Wind Ranger.
Two assists I believe for him, he only, yeah, two assists because he got a kill as well.
The Power Show did connect on the first one and now he gets a...
Oh, snatches the regional runchiki.
Okay, takes it away from Kunkka.
Kunkka already has like almost a full bottle, so probably shouldn't mind way too much.
Nice rotation, maybe this is what coach was telling him.
Minute 6, I want a mid lane.
I mean, there were 4 euros mid from the Radiant lineup.
minute six, that's not something that you're expecting if you're luring off in that moment?
I feel like we should start expecting it a bit more.
A lot of carries are actually doing this exact move around the minute six arc, you know.
Everything revolves around the first active rune.
And if you can get it for your mid laner, it's a huge buff because honestly this minute six rune kind of dictates stuff a lot.
If you get it, you can contest the wisdom shine as well.
The mid laner though, he's gonna also do a favor for the Windranger and say don't worry Geng, you come to my lane, I come to yours.
Boom ends up going down, Yamash and I are also gonna be in some massive danger here.
Powershark will eviscerate this punch, Vitz just needs a couple more right licks and Ake will grant him a triple kill onto this Windranger.
What can he do? No Icarus side for a long time, Powershark comes back, shoots him through, Phoenix is dead, triple kill at the 7 minute mark for Windranger.
Dude, I don't know what coach was saying, but he was right.
I want that kind of a life coach to guide me through everything,
but you see how it all connects.
He took the region he had enough resources to go back down bottom.
It nets him a triple kill.
They also contest the wisdom shine.
They do not get it at least because of that.
But it's like from minute five to minute seven,
what you do as supports and as mid laner
literally is the most important thing right now in the game.
Of course, now on the line, you can still recover, but it makes your game a lot easier if you do it right.
Dark Mago, the mid laner is gonna find BOOM yet again, forcing out the rolling thunder.
Shackleshop doesn't latch! BOOM should be able to get out of here. No!
Torrent interrupts the completion of the rolling thunder. He will end up dead, and on the other side of the map,
Frank is utilized. The first Doom of the game from Crystallis will go down solo to the offlane Doom.
When they picked Tiny into the Doom, we were talking about it right here as the draft was happening.
He can solo him at most parts of the game early on, top lane, drag.
Drag edge revenge, blood grenade dropped on top of him, the rock from touch.
Should be enough to kill him, there's nobody nearby to help him out.
I saved us. Oh my goodness, that's Facebook, he's actually gonna live.
Scorch dirt, oh the war.
He's about eight, we'll get out the fire spirit for this too late.
He's back into fountain and he's safe.
What's happening to...
Maus man, like... I understand, okay, 8 kills to 2, sure, but 6k lead.
8 minutes in. There's a doom as well, Devour does help, but it's level 1 Devour.
He maxed out Scorch3rd, of course, right now.
This lead is absolutely disgusting.
I mean, look where the Ember's network is, he's not even 3K network,
and the Conqueror is about to get his second component or the first component rather of the PKP is being delivered as he speaks.
I gotta say this is probably one of the highest leads that I have seen this early on in the game of Dota in quite some time.
It's absolutely massive. It's hard to just farm up 6k net worth across the map this early on.
We didn't see like crazy Alchemist games at this tournament where their lead is not this dark at 10 minutes.
Just everything really working out for them, the lanes, all three lanes went well, the supports are out farming on top of that.
Massive stack being taken by Dark Margo now as well. He is going to be much more fount.
Also making sure that they keep the truck with nearby to get him experience. It's already level 5 and a half close to getting the 6 on him.
And on the side of Maus, they have one genuine playmaker that's the Ember mid.
mid.
Might actually not survive though, because he's gonna get caught out with the phantom's
embrace in between all the bounces of the cards.
Dark Margo, making sure that he keeps the vision and Lornoff, he is dead to right here.
One more right click, and got him.
I was just getting there because you're playing this spirit.
They kind of anticipate that Lornoff will be playing one of the spirits, right?
That's literally his bread and butter, his best heroes.
You picked clock, doom and grim stroke into it.
There's just so much control on the other side.
This Grimstroke hero, sure he has a lot of benefits, but versus Spirit heroes, the bug,
the way our panelist is called, the Phantom's embrace, it's just a beautiful spell.
Other lane, focus fire, spend it out onto boom, get again prevented from entering the
rolling thunder, dark mago.
It's kind of crazy how they're playing this game, they've been focusing a lot on making
these rotations between mid and bottom, and they have so much confidence in Frank, they're
just leaving him solo in the top lane and so far that confidence has been
repaid. He's level 9. Facebook's drums going for consecrated crabs. Here we go
Lawrenov making his first rotation now trying to get a kill.
On the initial hook shot back towards the Ember's 30 gets doomed after being
in snag. He needs to get the hell out of here. They throw a blood grenade towards
him. Freestyle is trying to interrupt this tricky envelope. Body blocking the
doom not even playing aggressively just trying to keep the Ember alive but the
Doom will end, Yamich hooks back onto Frank,
Loranov will return, Rolliesbelts onto Frank and Frank, should end up ticking out here.
Decent gold picked up, boom with the rolling thunder, cancels out the TP of El Misho.
At least something. Like they were 8k ahead at this point, they needed to get something going.
Sometimes when you were feeling yourself a little bit too strong, you tend to make some mistakes and
And realistically, that was one, but you only brought two heroes into an enemy infested jungle, so...
I mean, to be fair to them, they almost got some kills in that situation.
Yeah, almost. The keyword.
Almost isn't good enough, you know. Army almost once here.
Okay, something.
Not enough. Will be able to snag the haste rune?
So this could actually set up a play is lacking a little bit in the HP department, but it's not that far away from having the
The vessel as well if you can get it fast enough, maybe they can set up for a play after that
I would say this is already not fast enough
Not having it to this point when the Kunkang on the enemy side is almost full BKB done
By the way, on him he's sitting on what two three hundred twelve away from having a BKB
The vessel already want to a whole lot against him
Eventually you can get some nice dispose of Grimstroke of course, we'll see.
How do they actually deal with the early Kung Fu KB?
You don't have this member, you have Egg to also stun afterwards, but overall you don't necessarily deal with it.
You have to kite it out and hope for the best. Go on other targets.
Skofield will soak up some experience behind Dark Mago.
They could decide to smoke. He is ready with the BKB. Grimstroke does have a smoke in the inventory.
We'll see if they decide to make a move for a top.
Bits also with the full maelstrom happily farming away closer and closer towards having them down there.
Their control is a bit more difficult on the side of a mouse that is...
When you look at the heroes, the execution is perhaps not as simple.
On the other side you have Hookshot, you have Kunkaix marks the spot, Soulbind,
there's a lot of things that are kind of point and click and you know that you're gonna get him.
Meanwhile, Yamich needs to connect good hook into this mech for your teamfight to actually work.
No one's ever lost a Dota game relying on Pajoks.
Absolutely, absolutely never. There's a smoke though, let's see.
Phoenix will not actually see him immediately and they don't really want that to be the
primary target.
They're looking for a big one.
Phantom's and Brace's wolf.
Oh he gets it.
He's after the Ember spirit.
Shuffle shot goes after him as well and finally both of the spells will latch on the far end
of the remnant.
And they hook.
He's right there with the focus fire.
Hookshot comes out in tandem with the soulbind so they make sure they lock down Ember and
the Phoenix.
I'll be sure with the double kill.
Boom!
When we put the rolling down they're stuck in the cocks for a moment.
The Brailleese will be able to roll away from the shackle shot, but they have lost the Ember and the Phoenix and the Tier 1 Tower will be extra-desert for the side of S.A.R.
That's one very angry dead wife bug by the way, following him from one rune to the other shackle shot as well.
Like this Ember, he played that right, there wasn't anything bad about his play, like his reaction time was incredible, taking the rune, remanding away, but still, it's with just being there.
there again every single big rune he's there to just support his teammates a
very active playstyle so far from the Windranger he's extremely farmed as well
not even at the top network obviously that's the cook but we're super close to
having me on there that's the carry you want in your games we know not some afk
jungle 24-7
out late that's Margot as it moves off they are gonna put in everybody to try and
make a defense on this tier one. Jump in. Vitz not gonna get caught because Onisho has
beautiful cards into the shackle shot onto the Embers Brits. Long enough, in a lot of
danger, he is gonna end up dead. They have to retreat from the egg and as it pops, Yamich
tried with the dismembered to hold onto Dark Margo, but where is the follow-up damage?
Yamich now losing his life towards Vitz. He dies. Phantom's embrace onto Ike. He's gone as well.
And at the very least, the Fire Spirit will take out Onisho, but that is a very, very bad
fight for the mouse side feels terrible to be in this position.
I feel like they're just dying way too easily.
The spells that are being used, usually you can't joke them, you can't do something about
it, survive for a little while longer, but when you look at the lineup of mouse, like
their teamfight is not weak, like you have Pango, you have Phoenix Sege, Avalanche to
cover everything, they're just way too far behind.
This is a 10k lead, 16 minutes in.
There's every single hero has at least an item advantage at this point, and the Doom is, I don't know if he's skillable anymore honestly, like this kind of a build on him, this is the bully Doom build, where you can actually chase targets under a tower, in the old patch with the original consecrated traps, it was even stronger, it's still pretty good when you get him this early.
Let's actually change his mind towards finishing off the Mjolnir, another angle towards the
Mantis style instead, for the Shanes.
Yeah.
Doesn't need to buy DKB, boom.
Trying to get away from El Misho, we're not allowed to be allowed to do so.
There's gonna be Phalanx and Braze, Shackle Shot.
How many times are we gonna see this combo?
On the other side, they're maybe going onto Frank, who wants to expand up onto Yamich.
Frank's still alive, and he will eventually take over.
Takes Yamich with him, but definitely worth it for Crystalis.
That's a lot of gold that's okay to begin.
Kunko though, looking for immediate revenge for his comrade.
Tiny, stand up.
They still need a little bit more, but here comes Vitz to provide that extra damage.
Phantom's embraced to prevent any spells from the Tiny.
Prystalus, his life will be forfeit as well, all across the map.
Even if you take a kill, you're gonna pay for it in blood.
Absolutely. This is a disaster game so far for Maus.
They need to... I feel like at this point, getting these small skirmishes is never going to work
to work because look at the map state, every single tier 1 tower is still standing on radiant,
right? So wherever you fight, like in this situation, you're fighting kind of on your
side of the map, but there's more than enough time for Windranger and Kunkka to TP and follow
through. So at this point, I feel like smoking five heroes and just making some big ass stand,
5v5 teamfight is almost necessary for them.
We need to be careful. It's kind of an awkward game to play as well, right?
You always feel like if you didn't show on the wave, you're one second away from being
x'd, one second away from a hookshot.
What's with you to play very passively in the trees, in your jungle?
That means that there's less available farm across the team.
I feel like the only hero that doesn't really get bothered too much by the phantoms and
braces that Tiny on Dire. Everyone else just gets absolutely destroyed by it, by the way.
And Grimm got, what was it? Was it the first pick? First phase?
Well, let's make a first pick first phase you're playing grim into ember into pango into phoenix like these heroes
Yeah, they can't do a lot if you get affected by there's that grim again
Panent and praise out on to egg and get dragged back by the eggs as well not even an opportunity to attempt a supernova
Dark Margo gets the grad gets the kill dominating streak for this cooker
He's 4-0 and 11, minute 19.
It's a lot of assists, you know.
This is the kind of a game.
Guys, can I get some kills, please?
Stop stealing, please.
He might try to solo boom here.
He has all his spells, but decides against it.
Yeah, without the Silver Edge, the soloing heroes is probably not that easy for him.
Maybe he can kill like a support, but Pango, Tiny, Ember probably will not die.
They are smoking top though.
Yeah.
Let me show Ritz and Scofield.
This is the kill trio going on yet another adventure.
Kristallis is trying to form in the safer place as he humanly can in front of the Defenders
Gate.
It seems they will not find anybody.
This is maybe the first move they've attempted for South American Rejects that hasn't succeeded
so far.
Pretty much.
The first one that doesn't yet connect.
Let's see if it's across this curse, it might be, Phantom's embraced out onto Boom, but
a bit far enough away, Yamage was looking to trigger off the hook potentially.
They will actually hookshot him instead.
Yamage is almost certain to die here, and now we have a pause so he can really think
about how much time he's going to spend in the fountain.
The only reason, by the way, that they didn't initially connect, they were blocking each
other when it comes to the hook, and the Centaur Corsair was just running around as well, just
blocking the hooks from the clockwork, so he couldn't go in.
They still get the kill on Pudge here, for sure.
The only question is just how many other kills will they get after?
The Phoenix is kind of in a nice place if they decide to fight around it, like they could
use a cliff egg, but I don't think this is a winning teamfight for them, especially with
a dead Pudge on the get-go.
I mean, Lornoff is nearby, could maybe re-engage.
I think the thing is that they don't know necessarily where this Windranger is, so they
might think that she's somewhere else farming.
But they get the kill. I will just Icarus dive away.
All five heroes of South American Rejects here in the mid lane.
Won't be able to connect onto Loranov though, he does retreat into his tango.
There's a DD, Rush is slowly walking through the river, I think the next easiest objective for a Reject is to go into the pit.
Also no real Rush at this moment in time.
Almeysho is just peppering the top side of the map with rocket flares trying to get vision onto chrysalis
chrysalis is aware that there's somebody hunting him down here
fortunately for Almeysho he's already left before chrysalis can arrive
I'm not gonna end up dead to the tiny
if they do manage to maybe get a hook off of Windranger on the positive note
I feel like there is still some kill potential bot lane
this is not positive for larnos however
banners and brace, moats
They didn't change it completely, he managed to get out my son Miracle.
He was quick. It was the Phantom's embrace, he managed to kill it very quickly.
So did you see Schofield went for the early Blink Tiger, so he can also initiate a thing?
I would actually say that this is not like a Schofield thing, this should be on everyone's radar.
If you're playing Remstroke right now, I think Blink is basically your coreite.
I actually don't think this is like something super out there or anything like link grim should be on your
Mind in almost every game
Especially when you're playing versus spirits because the initiation is always the same with grim you blink him with the info on
Yourself and with the phantom's embrace you want to blink on top of the target so you can use the embrace immediately
You also got lucky enough to get the shot. So that's an even better info
I'm gonna be able to utilize it here as young each comes through trying to contest for the shrine of wisdom
But yeah, not a battle that's gonna go your way, my friend.
Damage.
As he is dead, paying 4v5 on the map,
does Margot does now have the Silver Edge?
Oh no, boom, potentially in an awkward position here with this rolling thunder.
Thankfully, he is able to maneuver himself into a safe place.
He's chillin'.
Top has well-fingered his managers to get away, but...
Are we listing escapes as positives now for Maus?
I guess we are because that's the only thing that they can do a run away
Okay, what you what items are coming soon? Lorna very close as close as you can be to
Even if they catch you here, he's good BKB. Oh, no
Definitely not dying if tiny has like silver edge at this point and hits him from it
Maybe there's damage, but he's even going for BKB next. So, you know losing game like this one
Going for a BKB is... it can work, but I feel like you need to be a bit braver, you know, just all in on the damage output.
Prystallis is down for a move, run off nearby, they're gonna try and aggress into Amisha, but little do they know, there's a smoke right behind him, there goes Snowfield, huge Soulbind, onto Yamich, as well as Prystallis, there's a double doom as well,
Parch gonna be a first wonderful, next up is gonna be Prystallis as the boat crashes in on his face, he dies, a double kill for Vitz, even brought down Ake on the far side, almost as collateral damage.
pretty much
you could see that Grimstroke with the blink and soul bind is also very strong
the unfortunate thing for him is that Doom does not have his
so I mean in this situation it didn't matter because he was fast enough
but he almost didn't manage to get the double Doom off
the outcome would be literally the same
all the panel was saying you only get double Doom maybe once again
and now Nisho getting the hook out onto you
Boom, does get off the rolling panda, but focus fire is still extremely scary.
Thankfully, Windranger's not fast enough, so he'll be able to roll to safety.
Konka, still chasing.
OK, we'll give up in the end.
They can literally decide to go rush whenever they want to, whenever they feel like.
I don't think that there is a way for it to fight them at the moment.
Perhaps when the BKB is up on crystals, they can attempt.
You can attempt a fight. They have a level 12 on Phoenix Egg as well and the Phoenix
destroyers on the other side aren't really that great. You can't focus fire the egg.
You don't really have a lot of attack speed on any of your heroes. That's like one thing
that I can see going well for a thousand attacks at once.
They are about to hit that timing of having DKB on both Tiny and Ambassador. So perhaps
the next fight is not the last disastrous. Unfortunately the next fight will also include
in Aegis. Roshan is being taken up very very quickly. Aegis for Vitz. Extra gold buys the
blink dagger for this doom. But on the bright side for Maus, the opening of the Roshan did
give them time to take the tier one tower bottom.
I mean it's 25, nothing to write home about but at least you open up the map a little
bit.
Skowfield, coming across this pudge. Nobody nearby him at the moment but he might be able
to almost solo kill the Perch, not something you see every day.
Rinse stroke and soloing heroes, unless it's like some mid lane Grim, you know, it's a very rare sight.
Tier 2 tower claimed on the top side of the map, and this guy literally has been everywhere.
He's been playing so high tempo on this Windranger, not just sitting back and farming, but giving his team what he needs,
He's taking objectives, showing that he gets involved in fights. He's 8010 for a reason.
Everything is working out for them, but they did buy some time, don't they?
Lornoff should be fine, because he also has a BKB.
So, when you look at Maus, the time is now.
Like, you have a BKB on Ember, BKB is there on the tiny.
You see Maus on John Cena fans?
Pretty much.
You can't see them anywhere.
We can't see, Icarus right now is about to lose his life towards Witt.
Oh, maybe I speak too soon, Icarus died to the Hydra and you got saved by Yamachi's
hook.
Very good support made there.
He's going for Aetherlands next, he's got the Blink Compudge between Aetherlands.
There's like another play, like a mini tactic that they can use in the upcoming fights that's,
if it does come to the Hydra on defense, perhaps you can rely on some crazy hooks under the
tier 4 is in a good amount of position, maybe some tossbacks as well.
You have to rely on tactics at this point.
Like when you're playing this far behind, just head on fights, like normal, honest Dota
usually does not work.
Frank will go back top to defend tier 1 while Vince will complete the tier 2 tower middle.
There's only one outer tower remaining right now, minute 27 almost, and they're going to
to start moving towards that part of the map, take over the triangle, just reduce the areas
where Maus can play anywhere.
By the way, I love these giga-chat doom builds where you're literally playing almost without
any auras.
The only aura you have is Drums Aura, but that's because you want to move faster.
It's a solo kill potential doom.
Kotlin?
Florenoff?
Let's have BKB, remember.
He's gonna get pushed back, phantom embraces out, pops the BKB, trying to TP out.
I don't know about this, Gag, Xmark, the spot will be there.
Will it come out?
No, he's okay.
He's fine.
Still 9 seconds.
It was really close from El Misho to burn all of his mana though.
If he managed, that's a dead ember.
Widow without the BKB.
Even if Kunkka just arrived a moment earlier and he had the cleave, probably would've killed
him.
Dark model, also super stat, Silver Edge, BKB, SNY.
What can my man not do right now and he's going to find another kill.
Yamich, Sazoji, after he's been through about this one, he will dismember the fire sometime.
Lateral enable Wix to come in, get himself a Godlike streak, 9-0-10 on the Windranger.
Okay, so what do you think about this, Lincoln's here coming off of Lorna off of his game in
that state?
Does he need to be this defensive?
He doesn't have to PKB for another 35 seconds.
Oh no, he is certainly dead.
The Doom probably wasn't even necessary, but Frank will take no chances, ensuring that
Lorna does go down.
Ember dead, bottom, boom, China roll himself away, let's have the focus fire off the top
of him.
There's no significant amount of damage, they're forced out the TP, so you should be able to get home safely.
Damn, like, the game is just so oppressive towards Malm's.
There isn't really a single move that they have made in the last 5-10 minutes, the 28 minutes more or less.
It feels like, where is the move?
If they don't have damage, they don't have survivability, they don't have a map to play.
The moment they got the BK piece,
rush falls right so you don't really want to use the bkbs and the big fight into the rush you're
already at a big disadvantage but i expected them maybe to attempt something just wait for the
tiny to hit hard i suppose he's got her phone now i'm gonna bring everybody down bottom hoping to
defend the tier two it was only a good shot nice look but it's aion just gets triggered out immediately
He's a long dog.
He's shooting at us.
Go Field, go down.
Nice, you're done.
That's a beautiful kill, at least. You know, you defend your tier 2 tower, you recognize that they're not all there.
And the smoke, there we go.
4 against 5, I suppose, is...
A good place to start.
The problem is, since they've been zoned back so far on their map, they don't have any vision.
right now South American rejects are playing very freely just moving as they
wish have observable words that were planted up around the triangle they're
probably aware of the kind of move that's being attempted
laurenoff will just walk by the conker still can't find anybody let me show
though he is gonna be the one that gets targeted and killed off but we'll just be
the end of the fight he now isolates and see dog models don't have to be ready to
go will eventually end up popping it you don't have a further reveal of the
activates the Silver Edge, he's running, Frank is coming ready with the Doom if he wants to,
Skowfield is also there with the Soulbind and actually a Dark Markle went back in,
no more PKP's available for him, so they might be able to kill him,
Ghost Ship though applies the Koso Rock delaying the fight a little bit longer,
Supernova finally comes out and it's gonna end up with the damage to kill off the Kunker.
As he goes down the egg will pop, starting up Vince, this is gonna fall.
Lawrenoff able to collect that kill and now Frank has to run, Skowfield will try to run a
distraction behind but it's not going to be good enough. He ends up dead, Yamage misses
the hook. So Frank, at least is the one to escape. But a 4 for 1 trade, yes, Kristallis
dies, but Lizard, they got 4,000 gold out of that one engagement.
Yeah, such a weird fight from South American rejects. They were in a pretty good spot. They
waited for the friend to TP in, right? But I think he just blinked somewhere next to
secret shop which didn't allow him to get in with the soul bind fast enough and the doom was
laid to do and I believe soul bind actually connected on the phoenix right and he just presses
egg yeah and it just deletes the soul bind off of him so it doesn't really work it doesn't really
do a lot and the next one that is doing this tiny has our fog already lost his bkb completely
you see how far scoffield is from this and frank everything was kind of too late just
It's just beautiful execution for Miles, though.
They pounced on this opportunity when they had four against five and they instantly scored.
That teamfight started, they were 14k gold behind.
Now it's only eights. It's a pretty drastic change of affairs.
And I think most importantly it gives you belief, right? You're like,
Oh guys, we can't actually take these fights, we do the right execution,
we can still get back into this game.
Well, absolutely. With this kind of a teamfight, I actually think this fight brought them back in the game.
in the game. It was dire straits but there are decent spots right now. 70 advantage, 32 minutes in.
Not insurmountable.
Not enough in the gang. Not that much mana available for this ember spirit.
Does have a bottle to pop if needed. And his Lincoln sphere is actually complete of the back
of that fight. It's very important this game by the way. I know you asked it. We didn't really
continue on the topic like the linkens on ember this game not only for doom of
course there's just so many spells that are very annoying for you of course that
also means that there is a lot of spells that can break it but whatever you
break with the linkens I feel like it's valuable oh yeah you're not getting
shackled as long as you can press bkb instantly as the linkens gets popped
That's good fight.
That's not good.
Comes across low enough.
He does still have a BGP ready to go.
Phantoms and Brace will be there, but able to kill it and jump off.
There's going to be the Lincoln popping, and they get the doom out on top of him right after the Lincoln series.
He is gone.
Yamich get broken on the far side of the fight.
Another Phantoms and Brace will show this pledge will not be going anywhere.
He ends up dead, a double for Frank, and South American Rejects reminding us that, hey, that fight's good for you,
but we are still extremely powerful at this stage of the game.
of the game absolutely keep I think he greeted out a little bit on the bkb it's
seven seconds I'm not really sure why you could have popped it there the torrent
that doesn't connect but of course he maybe didn't anticipate the torrent as
well to connect oh boy well no outer towers remaining roast is available
Stop the nerk and rejects, probably going to collect the next stages, get another banner for themselves.
This next push, I don't think there's any reason for them to wait, right?
They're gonna have Daedalus not too long from now for this.
Maybe that's the only thing that you hold out for, but the other items don't feel like they're fully necessary to bring the high ground at the stage.
Jump pretty much straight into the pit, the only question is just how easy is it for you to take high ground?
But hold that thought, maybe there's a fight here growing.
Got scanned, they're coming, they're on their way.
Skullfield gets the vision on the high ground, quickly blicks back, and his team able to
complete the roche.
No problem.
They've got a couple of items, of course, coming up.
You mentioned that Daedalus on the Windranger, also Shivas on Kunkai, he already has Satanic,
by the way, it's just a massive Kunkai.
He's making this hero look kind of broken, even though, like, I don't, when's the last
time you saw Kunkka and your pups?
That's like a very good metric.
You know, if the hero is played, it's probably good.
If you don't see him almost ever, eh.
I mean, there's lots of even so attacker stream with Kunkka.
Yep.
To be fair, Dark Muggle is playing it, right?
It is Dark Muggle.
He's the only one.
Is anybody on planet Earth allowed to play Kunkka and make it look faster?
It's going to be this guy.
It's like some kind of Excalibur Tinker or something.
Look at Lornoff by the way, this is a ninja move right here, deep wards from the Ember
Spirit.
He wants to maybe get a wave as well.
Does have the safety remnant, killed Elmishos Kurio.
That's feel nice.
There's only the Doom here so I should be fine to get up.
There is Orting too, Guerrilla tactics right now.
He's the Metrical Woffe.
Yeah, they gotta get a hit from behind.
Laurenov, has another remnant, gets out, Elmisho though, finds him.
These guerrilla tactics will eventually be brought to an end, but the doom doesn't arrive in time.
Laurenov able to zip away, having activated the BKB.
Yamich with the hook to drag him onto the high ground.
It will keep you safe.
They're playing the map really, really fast, but the guerrilla strats, the rat strats are still
Sort of working, Kristallis has his data, he's pushing out bot lane, they're spreading them thin right now.
Usually the strat when you're playing versus Aegis and when you're in this far behind, Pango.
Yeah, he's gonna be fine, does manage to stun off Jit, so stalling out some of the damage from the focus fire, and Wits did not want a BKB just for that, so...
This is more or less Pango's job, the way he's playing, Konka.
He was about to wander on to the high ground, they got him with the axe, they forced out
the DKB, Elmisho though still going to be able to find the hook, damage though!
Yet again, turns out he's working for the Salvation Army, keeping another one of his
teammates alive.
Yeah, I wonder if, well, it's definitely worth it for Elmisho to put himself out there,
right, to get hooked instead, because you have better results, he can't dismember you,
there's no follow up.
plus he's got crimson and four staff maybe they could have controlled the tiny
little while longer problem is the tiny did have to pop his BKB so that's
extremely vulnerable for the upcoming scumish yeah South American regions they
know that there's no better time to go than now for BKB on him I believe
embers BKB is just now coming off cooldown so pretty good timing
half of the Phoenix's HP was taken with one swipe of a Kunkas sword
I'm going to get back, we'll go running interruption with this rolling thunder.
I'm going to get some stuns out of the Kunkka.
Kunkka gets dragged deeper into the base, dismembered,
the Tristala is trying to feed him down,
but Frank blicks on top of him with the Doom, looking towards the Tiny.
Supernova is used up and Lorimov able to bring down Kunkka.
Fitts can't take out the Supernova in time.
It will go off, it will start out with Doom,
so Frank will lose his life as well.
All of a sudden Fitts isolated on the high ground, surrounded by Maus.
The defense has been mounted.
The defense has been mounted to perfection, by the way, but this is the only part of the game where Maus actually tries right now, with the drive that they've got.
You have Hossback, you have Hook, you have Pengal for the chaos in the backplans.
Kunkka felt a little bit too safe, why? Because of Satanic.
But look at this, there's a ghost on Pudge, so he tries to hit Pudge to heal up, Pudge just ghosts, you don't heal, you don't hit.
hit he goes for the Phoenix he tries to heal on Phoenix Phoenix just X and that's
it Kouka was dead from that point he's literally just gone all three core heroes
that have died and now Maus are coming forward hitting the tier two tower big
Liz Lizard bro how is this game even on gold I mean yeah when you just lose all
your cores on the high ground that way this it can be the push just wasn't
disciplined enough this is one of the craziest comebacks I've seen if these
are the ones you get the first high ground building that is relatively
astonishing and you want to buy back on the cook at this point do men win
ranger do not have access to the buybacks you know there's a lot of big
items that we didn't really talk about the diffusel on pango the hex on phoenix
now as well you know these heroes now they have ways of actually fighting a
It's no longer guerrilla warfare. They can come out of the woods.
And at this point, look at the tiny as well. This giant small with the Daedalus.
There's a lot of damage at the big man deals.
He's one-shotting at this part. Like if he finds a greymore clock, he is basically one-shotting them.
Or two-shotting with the Echo Saber.
They're actually gonna smoke, playing aggressively now on the side of Maus.
Will we have anybody reveal themselves through the mid lane? Nope, South American rejects smoke themselves, so they want to take this fight.
Perhaps they saw Dark Margo, but they don't know exactly where he is. Daytime now, some bonus vision is available.
Lorinor was trying to go directly onto Skowfield, but instead consents himself with finding Outfrag.
Outfrag pops his DKB, trying to find a 2-months of somebody. There's the Soulbind on the back end, but Frag can't get there.
Finally the double Doom will emerge. Damage and Broom caught out, but they need the right click damage.
Click damage, damage is gonna be the first on the floor.
Dark Mago looking toward at least chasing Kristalln.
Kristalln gets blocked down by Bits and Frank.
Dark Mago isolating, boom and killing him.
Writtled the double kill, fall for nothing.
The hell is happening in this game, moment.
I have no idea.
This game is so back and forth.
This is like...
By their over-lition, they chose to fight into the double-droom.
Of course, Lornoff will clean up the Grinstroke at least.
Yeah.
I don't know, not really much more he can do here, so gets out with the Red Mint before El Misho can catch him.
They're still in Frank Group with A-A, they're on the higher ground just pushing Rags.
They're pushing like two sides at the same time, which is on top, they're already doing this pushing mid.
There's an MVI this game, and that's A on this, by the way, on the Grimstroke, like absolutely massive.
They tried to jump him with basically everything they've got to prevent the double-blown,
to prevent the Soulbind, the Phantom's embrace, he just walks it off, you know, pretty nice item to say on this.
Two lanes of Rax taken, they might be looking for the Megas, there's no buyback available on the Starless for 30.
Boom, also in the grave for 40. So, how do they stop this?
Lawren off, his BKB is still on cooldown for 45 seconds.
Damage, we'll get the Hook, R onto Frank, they hex him up as well, Sunray will be there, they're putting in the percent base damage,
base damage but it's just not enough and I will activate the sheavers just run away supernova does
come out and they will be zoned away from the high ground but what do they care they've already
claimed the mega nice hook onto dot margo he does have a bkb though will bkb tp out the torrent will
also interrupt the further attacks so he will escape i'll be sure though probably get sacrificed for
this that's still a trade you'll definitely take for the side of south american regions he hooked in
trying to save his concal for a little while longer, unfortunately feeds away the gem but
yeah they pretty much got what they came for right the mega creeps are up 12k advantage
okay mouse your time let's see let's see how they win this next team
i love how you take it to the foregone conclusion that they win the next
they're they're absolutely winning it one one thousand percent it's happening
can we see the graph honestly it go up and down up and down at like spiking it all these
these teamfights.
42 minutes in, it's 11k lead for the South American Rejects, oh my god, yeah, not an
average game of Dota, I can tell you that.
That's a trench right there.
So what is the play, what big items are emerging from Maus, they're still looking for the MKB
for this tiny.
He tried that last fight around the mid lane, they tried 1v1 versus the Windranger on Tiny,
it didn't really work out, he also got Cogged, but of course he does need the MKB for that
to work.
And what's kinda nice for Tiny is Harpoon build up, the fact that you build Harpoon
and that it's core item, you're much better versus some of these heroes that you just
joke you 24-7 and just get her phone followed the wind ranger to the
Look at boons both. He's been the one that's been collecting a lot of these massive streaks so you can see how absolutely ridiculously fond he is
Octavine, blink, maidslayer, abyssal blade, axe, nullifier, are you kidding me?
Even with the profits pendulum to keep him alive?
I think it's like who is the crucial target for them to eliminate if you're playing dire right now
You like it's either do more to win Ranger
Just so massive though
himself jumps forward, fire damage
And we should be able to get an easy kill onto this punch
But at the same time Kristallis was trying to bring down El Mishio, Lorna
He re-engages in the fight, Javitch is a dead hit, the supernova goes off, standing up, the Trunker is locked, Mago
He's to get out of your spirit vessels on top of him the damage from laurenoff will chase him
And he's actually gonna die boom got doomed
But he's already in the rolling thunder Frank to understand his ground against cristalis the point back back on dog
Manga they want to re-engage with this cook a laurenoff though chasing down bits him and yamich
They might have this wind ranger get to right dollars and she will go down the stylist though
We'll also be joining her in the grave doesn't have buyback unlike the wind ranger
So they end up losing out on the tiny yamich caught out now by Frank and omisho
They should be able to get that kill.
Not enough?
He needs to escape.
They're throwing out these remnants.
Shading them together.
Look at how paranoid he is.
Goes all the way back into fountain.
They actually just called GG.
Technically they did win that fight.
However, South American Rejects had more buybacks available.
So they win the South American fight.
They did win it. They did win it. You were right.
Yeah.
This fight did look kind of good
good because they managed to waste the Soulbind or force the Soulbind only on a
patch and he stayed alive for so long from the Sunray and everything but in
the end South America rejects they do take it this was just a fantastic
performance from the get-go could those two mouths for sticking in and mounting
a couple of really nice comebacks absolutely the gorilla tactics fared
well until they stopped working in the end so they end up losing game number
Let's hear from the general what happened in the tactics board
So the maker rejects take it and um
I okay, so the first 15 20 minutes looked amazing. They were so clean. They were so good and then
Yeah, that's a reddit to miles or discredit to SR. We'll take that one step at a time amazing stuff at first
Absolutely beautiful
This see I'm like this good. Yes the first 15 20 minutes
This should have been from a more consistent team, I would say 25 minute game.
They closed it out to maybe a 30 minute game.
They were managing to get the combos off, something that he talked about.
You usually don't see it, like the double dooms, but they went for the bling daggers,
like first item bling daggers, which made things a lot easier.
And they were not getting those double dooms.
They were not winning the fights.
Yeah, I mean, I will take a couple of steps back to your point, Shiba.
South American region something they showed why they are a 2-2 team in this worse, right?
They're able to do really one of the groups in the landing phase
They do create these little problems themselves right at the 30 minute mark outside the Rochampere where they kind of have the clock dead
The Grimm's respawning they take the fight Kunkugos they go high ground here the same things happen
So for them that there's still that little bit of like that that skirmish he's messed the team whether not maybe it's methodical
But it doesn't really matter in this game. They demolish the lanes
They put a completely outplayed mouse in the early game, so they had the, you know, they can make these mistakes. It's okay, right?
But of course in the back of their minds, they'll eventually want to clean this up.
They want to make sure that this is a, you know, a swift mouse defeat rather than this, you know, back and forth that it kind of created.
Yeah, if they want to be
matching up against some
not gonna, I'm gonna say higher caliber teams because mouse right now, they still have like a standing situation and everything they so far haven't shown the best performances.
South American rejects like they could definitely play good Dota. I was actually like really wrong at the start of the tournament
I said something that
This is a theme that probably can't win it from the old the other teams because they were everything looked so stacked
but I
Gotta say if they changed my mind after seeing them play they looked very good
We might see another potential like heroic storyline that we've seen when they did manage to win that Malachi a couple of
for like years ago. The main thing is they're playing their doughnuts. Like if you watch
them play, they're not trying to copy paste like Western European tactics, the Eastern
European way to win a tournament. It is like, we are drafting our heroes, we are playing
our game, we are making our mistakes, we don't give a shit, we are going to keep going forward
and it's fun to see. Love everything about that. Apart from the fact where you said we
are making our mistakes, they should stop doing those. Okay. Because that's the thing
about this game. It looks like chef's kiss perfect for those first 20 minutes and then
like why? Why the middle part of this game? Of course, like it really didn't need to last that long. I
I'll agree. I want them to clean it up, but to ask them to clean up during a tournament is quite
difficult, but I think that if they can continue finding lane-winning moments, like the way they
broke the lane, like wits demolishing the pango, conquer rotating down, whilst they're killing
the pango, they're also then rotating top to kill off the tiny, like they're doing all these little
combo kills in the early game, and it's like if you have this mindset and you can replicate it,
They won't be able to go top to top against some of the top teams in this tournament,
but they have to make sure they can just really focus on the lanes.
I think in the games where this team is going to be looking good is they're going to look good.
And in games where they look bad, sometimes it looks like it falls apart so quickly,
and they don't have that consistency right now. Sometimes they want to take it by brute force.
We call this like cookie cutter strategies. They're staying true to their own form of drafting,
which I respect, but at one point they might be able to like hit the wall and be like,
okay, this is really not working. We are going to need to adjust certain problems.
But in this game, like the way it started, it was just clean.
Like, I don't think you can ask for anything better.
No, very well. I can ask for something better because we can relive some of those moments.
Can we please show what happened in that early game?
Yeah, it was just a very ease of execution, like the rotations, they are bringing in numbers.
This is something that I've seen mostly from Eastern European teams,
like especially BedBoom, bringing in four, sometimes even five players, five, six minutes
into the game, understanding that Ember Spirit here is not level six yet, and Kuka's going
to be able to pull it back in, you bring in your carry on top of that.
And then El Misho, Clockwork plus Dark Mago, he's the one who's going to be joining, and
I think Pango from the off lane, a lot of the times looks like a relatively weak hero,
if he's not off to a good start, which sometimes he can struggle, and then you need to build
into your mage layer, but they're gonna be ready to kind of clean up. I don't think they've managed
to steal the xperia rune seven minutes in, but along your carry to get a triple kill,
get off to such a good start is massive success. Yeah, it makes me wonder, because this pango was
overall first pick, and we did see the pango being moved from the mid to the offlane, so they
already lowered it in priority a little bit, but it got figured out anyway, TGov. Yeah, I think they
They expected the pango to do better, right into the clock windranger.
You have ways to get away from the cogs, but even if you do, you're going to get hit by
the cog.
I just didn't, I don't think they envisioned Boom struggling this much, but I think Mouse
in general have been struggling a lot in their lanes.
During that, we're like, they're doing, you know, the war, the six, seven thousand gold
leader, the ten minute mark, they're struggling.
We had a little deep dive in the stats, like, how is it so much for South American rejects?
And Mouse kind of plays a part, we can put up the graphic in a second, I believe, I'm
going to queue it myself, that's okay, Shiva.
That's fine.
Thank you very much, Eva.
Graphic.
That's allowed.
It is coming.
Don't worry.
And just, you know, because it comes for you, it takes a lot of time.
No, I know.
That's fine.
It's my fault.
But anyway, look ahead.
The average net worth of teams at 10 minutes at Valahia season eight, right?
P-vision up top, 17,000.
Actually, I'd be, that's Falcons, but it's okay.
The point is with Mouse, look at them.
At the bottom of the net worth, they, of all teams, they're a 2-2 team.
They're eliminated teams, already not playing in Valahia anymore.
A mouse still are below those teams, for net worth at 10 minutes, a total team net worth.
So I feel like mouse clearly, statistically, cannot win their lanes.
Yeah, good comeback team though, we saw like two really good fights coming out from them,
even with such a massive deficit. Like even 10 minutes in, if you compare two of the mid laners,
there's a massive difference, KDA for Kanka, like people love to have, you know, something on the
board, but the net worth difference is almost like 2,000. This is something that you shouldn't
allowed to get away that easily and yeah on one side i want to see mouths do better in lanes pick
heroes that can actually win them lanes and then on the other side i would want to see south american
rejix go for a little bit more consistency keep that network that you have and just have a clean
execution in the midgame yeah because this ember was picked after kunkka after like it was the 18th
pick of Maus so that should be the cornerstone of the draft?
I think it was honestly fine if the side lanes didn't crumble so quickly.
And also I don't think you're always envisioning the carry to rotate into mid and everyone
to swarm into mid at the 5 minute 50.
I think the only team that does it reliably is Liquid potentially, depending on Nicky's
hero.
And then to see Whitstitt as well as his win ranger, that was fair play.
So maybe that's going to be factored into next game.
American rejects are very willing to break their lanes to go kill whoever they respect the most.
Well we're going to find out if Maus can turn the tides here or if South American rejects
will point their ticket to the playoffs. We're heading over to game number two after a quick break.
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Hero changes, map changes, a lot happened in 7.41, so we decided to catch up with the
pros and see what they thought were the biggest changes to their gameplay.
I love the new pets, and I think the new pets is not so aura heavy, you can be very greedy
on offlane I think, which is pretty fun.
Yeah.
You can go full greed, you have these Geekables, like Bloodstone builds, Sheva's builds, you
You don't have to buy Crimson and pipe every game, Lotus is fine but like, yeah, just
no aura but just go Giga.
So offlaners are able to have fun again?
Yeah, you can carry the game now.
Gameplay didn't change, it changed heroes, but I'm still trying to find some heroes
to play so it's not affecting my gameplay, it's only just about rating.
I think last patch wasn't very good for me. I don't think I played that well.
So I think this patch, I think both the heroes in playstyle fits me a lot better.
And I think it's a lot more comfortable for me.
In what way? You have to be specific.
It's just like the heroes. I think last part was a lot of world logic heroes.
They were not necessarily my signatures, but you just have to play it anyways
because that's what the meta dictates.
But now it's like, thank god those heroes are gone.
I wouldn't say the gameplay changed much.
I mean, I got more heroes though than I can play.
It's like, I would say the main hero is a kez, and all people are just betting it, it's kind of annoying, but it's very useful to play.
It is, it is!
They delete the entrance, so now it's like two ancient pairs, and you can find the post-1 hero in this zone all the time.
It's more easy to kill him, so you just smoke all the time in the entrance.
You are watching South American Rejects versus Maus in a best of three with on one side elimination
on the other side advancement to the playoffs and it is South American Rejects that is one
game up which is why you see maybe some frustration on the faces of Maus because they are looking
to turn the tides, not just in this series as a whole, but I'd say, Tegav, maybe also
as the tournament, or sorry, the season progresses.
No, of course, right?
Like when you look at their records, right?
Like since Valahir, when they won it, they, again, they got third place at the Blast Land,
but since then, it's just been kind of a downward trajectory for this team.
You can factor in, you know, other elements into play, but outside of this graphic, there's
four qualifiers that they've played.
They missed out on two, you know, successful qualifier runs.
They're not going to future tournaments.
Like it's just really awkward for this roster,
because when we saw them at that Valahia,
we were hyping them up,
but like what if they can continue this?
Like they're going from the open qualifier team
to now coming here, the right tag free agents.
Yeah.
There's a very similar play style
between like just the logic behind Dota
between these two teams,
where something that we talked about
day one, Wallachia was, this is a brawl team. They're going to be picking heroes, they've
been picking their spirit breakers, everything that they felt was like really good at the
time and they just kept fighting. Like mid one going in multiple times. Like there was
one game, I don't think it was during Wallachia, but it was during something else where he
bought back twice in the first like 17 years. Just like, okay, what are we doing here? Like
this is something that other teams would definitely not do because if you die back,
you're going to lose the game, but they are a crazy team.
And this team knows, if they're off to a good start,
they can close out the games quickly.
But sometimes, that's sometimes recently, more you said,
that the lanes haven't been going their way.
So it's something to definitely improve on.
Yeah, I feel like it is in them.
It's one of those things where it's more like player
confidence, like the heroes are fine in meta.
Like the general concept that they have are fine.
It's just like, you're not seeing the flare shine.
It's like it's a different like even though it's the same dudes pretty much
I'm not seeing them play the same dirty they played in 2025 right?
It's one of the things that we can't really answer why
Maybe it's exhausting. Maybe it's the fact that again at the tail end the last year
They were playing the most games of any pro team
Maybe the ideas have faded, you know, they're not able to kind of connect
But it just takes that one eye that spark and they probably will return to form
You know what could provide a spark we'll have to draft on our screen momentarily
but something that could provide the spark is getting their hands on a hero that normally don't get their hands on.
I have a sneak peek of the band so far and two heroes are not banned.
Alchemist and Slardar.
Yeah, I would lean towards Slardar.
Yeah, me too.
So Slardar opens up more combos that you can have, like whether we're talking about the Windranger,
whether we're talking about potentially getting the Kez on top of that.
Like there's so many good pairings.
Like, this is even very good against Tiny. Tiny is like one of the better carries in current meta.
He's like super tanky. Slotter sways the matchup with Slotter on the enemy team in that favor
because it just makes it so simple, so easy to play for the enemy carry.
No, so I think I'm really happy to see Slotter get promoted to Alchemist, right?
This was like day one of the tournament.
It would have been the Alchemist first pick. Teams would have maybe thought about Slotter,
Even, you know, it's later down in second phase, but yeah, so as you've mentioned,
extremely high in value. So much of Alcina has been ignored in the first place bands and picks.
That really is just showing the sort of the development of this tournament.
Is a bad writer good against a starter?
Yeah, I think it's perfectly fine in regards to the pacing, right? Sada, of course, sorry,
backrider going from offline to support. You just make things happen. And while Sada's trying to farm
his like treads into blink, you would hope that's getting killed elsewhere.
In this meta, I feel like Batrider scaling is through the roof from the offlane.
I think this hero, if you have the opportunity to pick it, you should play it as an offlaner.
We had an interview with Eki the other day and he was kind of on the same page.
He was talking about that he can make the hero work from position 4, but if you want
to go Giga, as this seems to be a new term for Dota players, everything is Giga nowadays,
You can be the one actually scaling with your lotus orbs bongo boots the bloodstone
Maybe she was like you become super tanky
You can also be the initiator but both of the teams they do have like a BKB piercing ability
Which is always gonna be good even though BKB has been nerfed kind of kind of glad if we're not seeing the refresher
Double BKB's it was a very good change to do know. I'm sure there's some cause out there who are upset but I think
I want to be able to do everything.
Of course.
Fun 400 creeps, no, grow up.
It's so cool that now Refresher doesn't do items.
The late game, there's always a chance where it's like, if you do make a mistake, you can get punished, and there's a comeback.
It's just another way to layer in the fun of the late game.
I thought that change might prolong the games as well because the double BKB refresher timing was like insanely good
We've seen falcons ever since the team has been formed utilizing these refreshers double BKB's to kind of win the fight off of that
Or just to get one step closer to it
Must and you go for the alchemist it again it was fully ignored
Not even second phase band. Yeah, rather than our clock and tusk
Yeah, I don't mind that. It is just more of a look towards like, yeah, Mitch, we don't care about your Pudge. We care more about these two heroes that you're going to play.
Even when Mouse was winning tournaments, it was the same logic. We respect your clock task. We give you the Pudge, but we lose, right?
But this time around, it doesn't have the same winning formula for Mouse.
And for the South American rejects, it's making sure they have just good combinations, right?
Slardar, Pangolet, I think are some of the most fun calls you can have on the team because they break the
Formation of a fight so easily that Groomstroke will always get his spells off correctly because Slardar, Pangolet
They don't care. They just go in
They also break the armor on the hero. Look here supports even without Slardar in the mix
And they just hate to play against Pango like it's something like your spell damage gets reduced by mage Slayer
You're getting constantly rolled on and the minus armor sometimes you get like two shots in the fight with slaughtered
You might actually get one shot. So quite a lot of minus armor. I want to see what the mouse is going to be picking up
I would love to see some heroes that are tanky enough something that can provide them with a little bit of protection
something I mean naturally
You are building into a seat as alchemist
They might need to prioritize it in this game maybe slightly more rather than giving another eggs
I'm not called for it, but I wouldn't mind seeing the techies here just for the lane have the taser
Survive the slaughter a little bit with taser and then you also kite out
Like if you can apply any form of kiting to your lineup you might even be able to
Pressure South American redix and to kind of bad initiations
Something they did do at that 30-minute mark in the game when you have heroes like slaughter pango
You are going to be running around and you might be forgetting what other heroes are on the map when you are that kind of chaotic
I think Techies would be my first pick. I think there's a good chance for them to get Rubik.
If they want to speed things up, maybe something like in Io, I think at one point if Io gets online with Alchemist, with the Batrider, you can just be zooming across the map.
Both of the teams, they don't really have any longer cooldowns, even if you're rolling Thunder, A is on cooldown, even if you're Lasso's on cooldown.
You can still take the fight so no real like big team fighting alt is coming out yet from both of the teams
But miles they identified the fact that Sada and Pango you could argue both getting flexed between off lane to mid
But no matter what happens you can lane into a viper and you're probably not gonna be very happy
Even though Loronoff is 0-2 on their hero. I was gonna say that are not that good. Even though he's 0-2
On paper the lane is
Unless Pango Sada suddenly goes to the safe lane and they find a new mid which is again not gonna happen
Viper should be winning that lane.
Let's see what they want to pair up with it as well.
Compared to Preview's game, a lot more thought seems to be going into this draft for both teams.
Identifying the problems, like Viper, lane-winner, you get Batrider, who's also super strong in the lane.
Right now, they didn't want to show where this Batrider is going to go,
So they're gonna be keeping the 24 pick to potentially try to ruin the enemy carry and it's gonna be kids straight away
This is something that we talked about the combinations
At one point it gets like pretty ridiculous like it's just like what the hell is going on
It's not even though that you get like one shot by either pangode like basically have the double swashbuckle coming out from these two heroes
It's insane. You're gonna have like ink flow to buff you up
You're gonna have cursive haze like yeah blink and you will disappear as the game progresses
But as much as Alex gonna be potentially farming eggs for his team if in that window the eggs here doesn't break the map
And that like 14 15 minute acts climbing when you go to fight
It is me so scary who what South American rejects have I gotta say
Fair play to vintage the the coach and drafter as soon as Hidwick was picked
He locked in the kids
Insta bands the type insta bands the bristle like he is
Yeah, it's right. That's a lot of pressure onto mouse like it doesn't allow them to
They get much time like usually you get to spend a good amount of time while the enemies are discussing about their picks
To discuss like what could potentially be and he's not allowing them to get anything done
I'm removing tide bristleback these tanky offlaners. I
Would say overall it's a good underlord game
But playing against Grimstroke plus cast could just get you
Annihilated in the lane if they're looking for someone who can you know square up most of the damage that they have is physical as well
So you could be building into items that is going to help out the team reducing their physical damage as well
but previously we saw scoffal on grim and
Do you do you want to have a mission on grim this time or?
This the
Cairns in the Cairo you can argue Grimstroke can go to five. Okay partnerships fine
But also Grimstroke playing with slot is gonna be look pretty nice as well, right?
Oh, I think they just have two good silence and they go for the crystal maiden. They want to win their lanes
This is like a bit of a pop draft, I would say, with the combination of the supports.
These two supports are usually not paired up together because they're kind of doing the
same job.
A lot of the time your position 4 wants to do something else.
But right now we're saying we have this range plus melee combo that we're going to be using
insane kill threat in both of these lanes.
That's a Largo.
You need to see where it's going first before I react.
Okay, it's Offlane Lago.
Offlane Lago.
Okay, so Offlane Lago, at least it directly responds to Crystal Maiden.
When she presses Frostbite, you press Lick, you walk away, you get the extra little bit
of regen.
It is an axe hero that will take it, whilst he then goes like FaZe, Kayle, he can skip.
Lago is a very greedy Offlane now because of the nerfed, you know, his ultimate.
So Alchemist is a great fix to that.
I am just worried for Mouth that is a Lago with Agh's Kaia timing good enough to fight
all the fights off American Readers have.
Yeah, also where's the damage and who's making the moves?
It needs to be supports Viper.
Like this is a very slow sluggish hero.
He might win his lane, but Alchemist also, he wants to farm Lago.
He wants to be in his own bubble in his own river just farming it up.
So, a bit of a, a type of a lineup that's going to be more reactive to what South American
regions are going to be doing, which I'm never the biggest fan of.
And I feel like this lineup can fall apart.
There's a lot of aggression from South American regions that they can pump in early on with
the support rotations to the mid lane to kill this Viper even if he was off to a good start.
And we saw what happened previous game with that team.
That was spooky.
No, and it will be spooky again.
I think like for mouse it really is more like individual play like boom has to play a confident lago laning phase
Lorna needs to demolish the mid lane and they have to play together correctly if you don't see Lorna from boom
Kind of utilize their heroes, then I think things will just disappear South American rejects like they're just like you said
It just feels it looks good, and it feels easy to play. Okay, so
We're gonna find out 10 miles with stamp the onslaught of with stamp. Yes, I did it again
So the American rejects for the first half of the game and to pull it out and force game number three out
Or will South America region just take this one? Let's find out what snare lizard
Thank you very much shiver you heard it from captain Lacoste big list that there's a lot of aggression from South American rejects
And not necessarily that much playmaking that much expression on the map coming in from miles
So if you're the coach one final thing to tell these mouse players what to do
How does this draft approach this game? How do they get the victory here?
you know what like on the camera as I saw the coach leaving they look way too
happy by the way but of course I think that you can encourage your boys like
the Largo is still a very good agonist player he believes in it they believe in
this last pick I have my reservations perhaps when it comes to the hero in
general right now and how worthy he even is to be given that first agonist I
I don't think there is anyone better though on their side in this draft to get the axe
The first axe needs to go to him
But the hero got nerfed so heavily
Let's see
We shall see how this all unfolds, Kristallis
We'll be able to at least get an early stun out onto Skullfield and slow down by these napalms
Will they be able to get him? Seems like no Skullfield
Eating a beautiful track away
Maybe Hoodwink is also, by the way, rotating, taking the Bounty Room perhaps, and also going for the Grimstroke,
so maybe there's some kill potential here if he doesn't manage to TP out immediately. He does have boots.
They're smoking mid already, by the way. What's going on? What the hell is this? What are they cooking?
Dude, you told me the rotation is at 6 minutes, not at 6 seconds. The hell is this?
Top lane, Chrystalis is gonna be able to throw the stun out onto Skowfield, Blood Grenade is there,
and Scofield is going to be first blood, but first middle, middle,
Laurenov, he's getting ganked by three heroes.
This early on into the game, he will end up losing his life.
You're not expecting a carry KS to be there before minute one.
The crazy part is, he didn't really lose a lot down bottom on KS,
because the lane is, okay, now he does lose a couple of pips in the end,
at least that's something.
Let's see, the laning stage is very important in this game, I gotta say.
and killing off Viper like this is a good step.
It's very important for Maus though to still continue pressuring.
I think Batrider is still a very good laner, right?
So on top lane versus Lauderdale versus Grim, maybe...
the Batrider will do a bit better than the position 5 they had in the last game.
Well, on the bright side though, yes, Lauderdale did die, but he wasn't the first blood.
That first blood happened on the other side of the map.
Yep.
At least they are the ones that got more of the gold out of the early engagements for the side of Maus.
One of the things that Panel did discuss is the lick.
Lick pretty strong versus both Kez and Crystal Maiden. You can dispel the dot right away from Kez too.
So it's not that bad. The lane itself at least is pretty strong.
The problem for Largo in this kind of a game for me occurs after Kez and Slardar start playing together.
Because Largo, he likes these long fights where he's able to jive, you know, dodge.
If you're corrosive haste, then Largo is using phantom's rush on him.
You're pretty much dead.
With or without the songs.
See how Boombl is going to be able to perform here.
So, should be fine in the laning phase, but...
Like you say, slaughter, I'm really focused on the slaughter.
They need to make sure that this guy doesn't have one of those slaughter games.
And this would have been most of the slaughter games at the tournament.
15 Slardar games have been like that, right, like he has 15 Ws and a lot of games where our offlaners are just literally carrying the game from the offlane.
I don't think I've ever seen as many games where Slardar is top-network and top-experience as well, as in this tournament.
Fjord, mid-rotation towards middle, you want to try and play into Loranoth, Inkzwell will be there.
Blockchain is thrown out and there's going to be the swashbuckle as well.
They lost their both Viper games prior to this one. Right? Yep.
That's one thing as well that is maybe not as great toppling.
I might try to kill Frank here on the slaughter. They got a big stun out on top of him to slow him down with the napalms.
Frank is falling lower and lower, but Skofield is on the way.
They'll come through. No Inkzwell just yet. He doesn't have the mana for it.
Frank able to get a stun out onto Kristallis. Will Kristallis throw it inside? He does.
But he can't chase him on the high ground, so Frank will live in the end.
They managed to
Save him with just showing up his grim basically right alleviating a little bit of that pressure bat rider went for grim
Maybe he should have continued chasing the Slardar as well
In any case pango is guerrilla mode
Skipping the waves he doesn't want to play against the Viper anymore. We'll finally die
Okay, as long as we find the way to get the kill greeting out a little bit, right like not going to the base instead of staying
in the lane with low resources.
That sort of saves the Crystallis, right?
Because he missed the wave chasing after the Slaughter.
I thought that was going to be bad for him, but if you get back a kill,
all of a sudden, that time is well spent.
We have a lot of low CS heroes across the map right now,
and most of them are on Radiance, so far so good for mouse.
Down bottom, Vitz is also in the low CS department.
As you said, this lane is quite strong.
They haven't been able to find an opportunity to bring down a Misho just yet.
In fact, when Misho is left, he's going mid, guys.
That is realistic.
If Lorinov comes a bit too far forward, he might get frostbitten from the high ground.
And now they know that he's alone.
Vitz getting agressed upon.
Push back.
Beautifully expressed onto this, Kiz.
He will try to throw out something to get himself out of here, but eventually, Vitz
will end up dead or will he?
From the high ground can Yamit find the vision?
Boom, there with the lick.
And that is going to be a kill on the Kiz.
At the same time, Lawrenov suffers his third death of the game in the mid lane.
I think just pulling Lawrenov is way more impactful.
Like whenever you're playing versus Viper, you want to make his lane as ugly as he is.
And that's what they're doing. He's 0-3 on the Viper.
This hero does not recover very well. No matter what kind of an item build you go for,
in the last patch, when Viper was broken, yeah, sure, you could kill him a couple of times.
still comes back with with the aganims with the shard with the maxed out
nether toxin like most vipers don't even max out nether toxin anymore early on
and they're quite susceptible to just feeding top lane school field.
It's gonna be in some danger here Frank is trying to go around the corner
M12 not gonna be there but on Misho TP's in with the frostbite Frank has a
Slytherin crush ensuring that egg does go down in the end. Speaking of the
We were hearing from the panel right now. Hold on bottom lane. Vitz in trouble on the kill. Beautiful lick to get him away from the grappling claw.
But not enough damage in the end. Still though, he's gonna come across Yammich. But Yammich doesn't have bushrack just yet.
Does have the mana for it if he pops his wand.
He used the ward as well to scout him.
Witz is struggling. This is Struggle City down bottom. Lowest networked core by the way.
this is good you were saying you want the laning phase to go much better for
miles and this is definitely gonna help unless the hike no okay it's fine okay
it's a good time to talk about ike right uh commander teego was saying about
this bad rider that commander teego okay so we have the general shiver commander
teego what's the cost is captain captain okay captain who's Colonel who's
kernel Jenkins can be a kernel. Okay. Fair enough. Since he's new privately
huh? Ritz. Again, hitting Gornon. Ritz will be able to get himself out and now
though Dark Margo has made his first rotation, comes barred with the X-Well,
will trigger it out onto boom. Rolling Thunder will be there as well to cancel
the TP of this hoodwing. But they will have to chase the high priority kill.
Stroke of fate will chase him to get the vision. He's still alive though on this
in the meantime vids get broke down by Yamagin Ike on the foreside Ike will pay for with his life to what tower shot brings him down
They're slowing down the Kess quite a lot you know that combo that we talked about of Slardar plus Kess for that to work Kess needs to have something at least
and so far not a lot boots plus band of Elven skin in the inventory doesn't fill you with confidence of course he will be going for the mage slayer build
build, he does have Slardar on his team, so Kroos if he's plus mage they're really good
against Largo.
I'm finally going to talk about this Batrider, what do you make of our Batrider in position
5 instead of position 3 or 4?
I think it's alright, I love to see a Bat when he's able to dominate an offlane, if
the game is like that for him where you can just, you know that the lane is good, this
kind of a game, it's probably a much better lane for Largo as a last pick, I think that's
That's one of the reasons why they switched it up, because top lane bat is better, and
Largo on off lane is better.
So switching these two things up made a lot of sense.
You get a Dispel on bottom, and you get a Hero that is naturally pretty good versus
Largo on top.
A man who we just saw on screen right now, boom, yet again playing aggressively into
Vitz.
That's the Frogs not behind the T1 Tower, but not going to go in just yet.
They're waiting for Ake to show up.
He's coming closer.
Whom they have vision. This observer was planted earlier by Yamich providing a lot of value, beautiful grappling but it's not going to be enough for bits. They need Frank to come in as well with the TP. The link is going to be out. Will he finally die? No, he won't. Frank prevents the bad rider from chasing him.
So he's the one that gets credit for the kill instead. Nobody else from Maus can stop him.
They're really trying to make chaos on the map on the side of Maus. You see like these kind of moves bringing folder heroes on bottom.
And with Yamich, beautiful, he had the patience to remain behind, sure they find the kill and now, boom, we'll just charge onto Omisho, knock on our alarm to get through the twin gate, it's now a double kill for Yamich.
The chaos is definitely made, they managed to absolutely obliterate this bot lane.
between the hoodwink and Largo. We did say that this is a pretty pretty strong
lane especially when you're building the Largo the way he is with Facebooks. It's
not really the most common build but you do see it every now and then. When you go
for Facebooks you are basically saying that you want to be in the lane. You're
not going back to the jungle. They want to try maybe go on to boom here.
He doesn't manage to actually get the channel off there. Did he just cancel
himself. It seems like he cancelled it yeah because it's all cooldown. That's very strange.
Margo will escape as a result but at least on the other side they did get Yamich. Wait,
what exactly happened to the rolling thunder there? Can we get a replay on that? That was very
strange. Hi. Gonna find himself in the high side of this dark Margo pango. El Misha will come through
with the nova, finish him off in the end. Still get some kills. On the bright side for all of this
They finally alleviated some pressure onto Laranoff. I constantly skirmish him down bottom. They're not aggressive onto him.
Oh no, Kostas Kurs, my bad Laranoff. I didn't mean to do it. He's gonna be kept alive by Boon though.
Dark Maw will get punished for his aggression, but the freezing field of El Mishou. Make sure that Laranoff does die.
Now Yamich trying to run himself away, but Frank will not allow it. Killing off the hoodwink. Boom.
Also with the phantom's embrace and corrosive, he's on top of him. Now a raptor, John's from Fitz.
Looks like he might die here, but he starts strumming, singing the song, he's kept alive for a little while longer.
El Mishio wins in for the Frostbite, instead all he finds is a Frogstorm and Death.
Largopa actually having some impact as well with his ulti as it has been changed.
You don't really need agonies any longer to deal a bit of damage with it.
Alchemist didn't TP, maybe they could have gotten another kill if he continued, he cancelled his TP.
But nice rebuttal, you know, saving the Viper for a little while longer.
I have one problem with what you said. Oh, let's see. Oh, yeah, he just cancels it.
Cancels, okay.
I think the lick messed with him a little bit, you know, like he meagoth licked.
It resets a little bit. He thought that he had to press it again, and he cancels it instead.
But when it comes to Viper, then, do you want the Viper that you alleviate pressure from?
This is a hero that's supposed to apply pressure.
I know, but what was he supposed to do?
True. You got ganked three times by like minute threes, like, okay, we need to, like you said in the previous game, right?
You can't rely on normal solutions. You have to sort of think outside the box.
Yep, absolutely. And they are smoking up already. Thinking outside of the box by putting Kaz mid now, instead, not letting him suffer down-bottom.
Dark Mago and Skorfield. They don't really have great vision. They do scan. They actually expended both of them.
I'm gonna knock on the Kekorat by it and he's chillin.
By the way, look at the highest net worth on Radiant.
Once again.
It is this boy.
It's hero Slardar.
Like...
How the hell?
Nah, this can't be allowed in the playoffs.
You know what? Like, this hero...
Once you buy a shard, is fine with farming,
but pre-shard, like, you're really not that great.
It's just this leading crush that you have to work with.
Of course, when you have two kills to your name, that helps out.
I also love how Alchemist has gone out of his way to not be involved in this game.
Forget I even exist guys. Let me just do my thing.
I kind of like that and daunt at the same time.
I feel like Alchemist early on in these skirmishes is actually pretty valuable.
He's very hard to take down if he has ulti up.
Acid spray actually a pretty good spell as well early on at every stage.
And he gives you decent stuff.
Like when you're fighting around the 2-1 tower there's this play where you start channeling the stun, you TP and you instantly throw it on someone they don't have time to react.
Well, it looks like the memo has been passed towards the South American rejects that, hey guys, they're still an Alchemist in this game, let's go hunt them down.
They go through the Twin Gate with Schofield and Dark Margo. Unfortunately, Crystalis is already in a very safe position, even I can find them to break smokes if necessary.
I'm stacking up as well.
A lot of...
One of the reasons why Alchemist is so good right now, a lot of small camps, easy to farm.
Unless someone steals them, of course.
Ah, Dark Mago.
I bring for the blink dagger, actually, on this map I had a very early on.
Yeah, I don't mind that.
There's like a couple of builds that you can go for, boots of bearing as well, is like
a standard build.
But when you're a support and your team needs initiation, you need some trouble, you're not going to connect, but you just find the last soul out onto this pangolier, soulbite is there, but it's not going to matter as Boom TP's in.
The damage from Lornoff will also be there as the Viper has made his entrance known.
Jarves will drop through, catches him, during the roll, provides the damage, Lornoff gets the credit for the kill.
They're paying for their over-aggression, like in the last game, everything went their way.
Oh
That was actually radiance. He has a goal for the talisman right now
Yep, so delaying gets for an extra minute and a half
All can still farms pretty quickly right you've got acid spray the soul ring. Oh, let it go
Frank has access already to his blink dagger farming for the shot right now. I'm usual happy to clear out these camps
He still remains at the top of the net worth for his squad.
Well, he was just given a pretty good stack as well, right? Going for BKB next into the shards.
There's like a couple of ways that you can itemize, and those couple of ways are you either go BKB and then shard,
or you buy shard and then BKB on Slardar. Sometimes, of course, you can't forgo the BKB for an agonimceptor,
but it more or less leads into the same playstyle.
If you want to be jumping in, being able to move out of the fight as well.
Smoke up for the Khez and the Grimstroke.
They will make their way through the Twin Gates.
Slaughter is pushing in this wave.
And they really want to find Kristallis.
What? They...
I'm not sure...
I'm not sure just how quickly they can take him down between the two of them.
If he manages to use ulti, if he doesn't, of course you can do it.
He did drop a scan, unfortunately it's in the middle.
Middle, there's Alasso indeed going out onto the crystal maiden.
Elmishel will die, but they did throw out a frostbite onto the Viper.
Beautiful flame break to interrupt the initial jump from Dark Margo.
He's still going to go in though. He has some support coming in from the other side.
Look at this, Lorinov surrounded after that comes out.
He's held in place, killed off. Looks like that smoke, it took a lot longer to connect than they wanted it to.
But eventually it will yield evidence.
It will, but strategically I think Maus are playing this game right.
They're playing it well.
The outskirts of the map, the bottom right and the complete right of the map,
it's just Largo farming. Top, the whole map is Alchemists.
The other three heroes are literally just cannon fodder.
They're sitting in the middle and trying to build a wall,
trying to make sure that if anyone dies it's one of those three.
They're basically asking for aggression.
Meanwhile, Largo, almost Kaian's son, pretty much has it, that's their go time, their go
time is the agonism of Largo.
Now, I don't know how many Largo games have you seen, but I have never seen this hero
have game changing impact since the patch, since the patch, of course before he was about
to say what?
He was literally a game winner, right, like every single game you play.
Yeah, now he sort of feels more like a facilitator over the already winning team rather than the reason why you're winning.
I feel like, to me, he's like one of those heroes that got nerfed so heavily, but teams are still willing to pick him just because of all time six, you know?
How bad can it be? Let's try, let's try. How bad is it really?
See what Boon can accomplish, he's gonna go for Crimson Guard next after the SNY.
Christal is still farming for his agonims.
The hero has a very interesting playstyle, and it's a bit different than anything else
that's in the game, so I would like to see Largo still stay in meta.
Right now, not really the greatest in rate on the hero.
Also a boy, Lauren, of doing here, angling towards getting himself a BKB, wants to load
First so he's gonna be the one providing some of that utility on the mid lane
He's just trying to tank up basically like you said utility getting that lotus for corrosive haze
just making sure that
Just making sure that he can survive long enough
They smoke immediately when I use this somewhere
Vitz is a very viable target right in front of the middle. He should break the smoke
unfortunately on the low ground that's all they'll find and Witt was literally heading towards them
KSK was about to come but he still works where
LickDagger available in a couple seconds, Dark Margo trying to do the roll and Thunder goes in
with the ink swirl on top of him can you catch up to the logo not just yet Yamage also able to juke himself away
the only person who might die here is Ike but he blinks into the trees, attempts to TP out and succeeds
That's a pretty good disengage from Maus.
It's also one of the reasons why they didn't catch anyone.
What's the flame break on Pango?
It pushed the rolling thunder a little bit away before it started.
It pushed Pango away, so he couldn't really get on top of the crystal maven.
Sorry, the hoodwink, I believe he was going for bot lane.
Damage.
He needs a lot of damage coming out from the pango.
Reptidons will be thrown out.
out, the tick damage, not enough to kill him, so Yamato will live, especially with Logo
right next to him.
He's just not big enough, you know, Kes in this situation in most games could get the
solo kill, but he just doesn't have the farm or the levels, his level 11 maids clear, no
Dezo just yet, he's getting closer, we're in a Dezo, we definitely get that kill.
There we go, oh, now that's interesting, they decided to give the agonoms to Lauron
off instead.
What do you make of this?
Let's see.
It's a different approach.
Honestly, I might even be on board.
But I'm a big Largo hater right now.
You're not pro Viper, you're just anti-Largo.
Pretty much.
There's one thing that's kind of nice about Viper at this game.
This whole dream idea is really good against elusive squishy heroes like embers, storms, even pangol, you know, like these kind of heroes, phantom's embrace just completely destroys you.
When you're playing Viper and you have Lotus, you know, giving agonies kind of does make sense.
It's a massive attack speed slow, and if they hit you only a couple of times without corrosive because of Lotus, you know, kind of dig it.
you see scoffi a little pick up his blink dagger pkb now available for frank
however they want to leverage their strength on the side of miles they
smoke up oh he's caught right you see oh damn that was a nice position to tip
you out from all soldiers doesn't seem like a kind of way it's gonna be able
to find a target here so this is kind of all coming together for miles though the
Crimson on the Largo, the Lotus, BKB and Aghanims on Viper.
They're trying to make like this disgusting ball of heroes that cannot be killed.
I kind of like it. Solar Crest on Woodwind as well. I can see the idea.
T1 tower being sieged upon here with a siege wagon behind it. Frank has a Blink BKB so he's a
very serious threat. Lornoff not going to want to just stick around and deal with this guy.
Throw around some poison attacks just to make sure it cancels out the blink.
Oh, what? El Mishu got the tower deny.
Despite having the greedy enchantment as well.
The crystal maiden with like 50 damage, no attack speed, gets the deny.
But you know like, when you look at these four heroes, it's kind of rough to fight into them with the Lotus and Agonyms on Viper,
Viper especially with a crimson or Largo which will allow Alchemist to just continue farming
and I love this. This is probably the first time that I'm seeing it in this tournament
like the two agonins build. I think this is optimal for the Alchemist. It wasn't optimal
in most of our games but getting the double axe early on if you can't get away with it is the way.
And Kristallus has been getting away with murder, he's 1-0-1 and those kills happen literally
at the beginning of the game, so he's just been quietly here, his team has made enough
havoc across the map that no focus can be applied towards him.
And he's also been farming this very safe area, they try to gank him multiple times but
he's never getting caught out.
There it is, second axe on the way.
Okay, fourth second agg and interceptor, some more damage on the alchemist, some more farm
as well that is easier to pick up.
His team will smoke up now.
Again, we saw this issue play itself out in the first game,
where they were really struggling to get positive vision on the other side of the map,
but now, big Doc Marco can they get him before he blinks away? Yes, they can.
Drag back in, there's gonna- Oh, they missed a pushback though!
And they missed a shot shooter! Oh no, he gets off the rolling thunder,
tries to get back into the fight, inks while applied to the roll,
still gonna stun up multiple heroes,
Yarmitch was very low, but he's still falling.
Dark Mago just a little bit more damage, would kill him, but he manages to get out.
They kill off Yarmitch, did lose Gofield in the process though,
as Loranov applied the damage out onto the Grimstroke.
Very nicely done by Dark Mago to blink on the high ground there and get away.
I thought he was dead, like he was looking almost gone.
With some top lane there's no Lassel, right? But they're still chasing him.
Okay, he's chasing them.
Ake?
Almost certain to die here. The question is can Vitz get out?
Just Kristallus finally deciding to involve himself somewhat.
He puts the stun out onto Vitz.
Licky Lick brings him in. There's the Frog Stomp.
Vitz is gonna die here.
She moved back into the Frog Stomp as well.
Okay, that's a pretty good trade now in the end.
I think Kaz for support.
Ooh, what's he gonna go for next?
off of the crimson okay he wants the bkb for himself so then we'll have the triple bkb timing
his alchemist is also going for his own no their timing is going to be really strong like i don't
think that they managed to break the map well enough on the side of south america rejects
like you see this slaughter has even pango like they benefit so much from the corrosive
of Haze and Blink on Slardar, but they... I guess because Kessup was just so dominated
in the lane, they didn't really find the right openings.
We haven't really seen them fully be able to connect to Slardar and the Kessup together,
right? Like fully leverage the amplified damage cost of Rattadons. Now a lot of that damage
will be taken away as Crimson is finished for the Lager.
And the Crimson going for BKB next, BKB on Viper, BKB on Hawken is still a bit like
when you do the way to a center
a couple of minutes in your habit
shot goes away a little missio okay
okay
top lane
crystal maiden
hope you enjoyed that shot gang
boom we'll be there with long enough
space
space created.
Things have really turned around for LRNR, right? He was like 0-3 by like minute 5.
It's top-network.
And now, top-network. Yes, of course he did get the agonims, but a lot of this has come
from just the space that has been made for him and him just farming.
And the build as well. Like, agonims is massive.
Of course, but the fact that he just went for Lotus BKB, it's like, be as tanky and
as annoying as possible. That's the idea.
Yes, and some Ganger will surround the way, pop the Ravensville down bottom, doesn't have a TP for a few seconds, but we'll come back up, should be able to get out of here.
She's like, what, 150 away from Aghanim's, should have it after the next set of creeps?
So they'll have Aghanim's on him, they have Aghanim's on Bangalir, it's not like they cannot fight, believe it they could maybe pressure this rush even, but they're not fast enough, they will not connect to this.
Looks like Maus are actually going to leave Prispalus behind to finish a duel.
They're all wary of somebody coming in on the back line, and they were correct.
They were coming in.
They found Dark Maus again.
This time they need to land all of their spells.
Dark Maus will yet again get off the rolling thunder.
He's still alive.
Ink's well stunned.
Will connect onto these Maus heroes, and the chaos is too much.
Bits shows up as well with his kids looking for the raptor dogs.
They've managed to create some separation from the kids though.
However, he has the grappling claw.
Catches up to the Viper.
Kills him off.
Double kill for kids.
And they get more...
Seems like he still wants to chase, he does have an amplified damage on top of him.
He won't find anybody else.
Yeah, DD, but still didn't work out.
In the last patch, if you're taking this fight with BKB Lotus Viper,
with Crimson, Kaya, Sansh and Aghanim's Largo, no one dies.
Like absolutely not a single hero with IUD heal everything,
but the numbers on Largo currently when it comes to damage output and healing output
with the agonins there's there's just no you don't really feel it also
unfortunate again again they didn't manage to kill Dark Margo that's two
fights in a row where they initiate onto him and their failure to kill him with
what loses them the fight in the end absolutely and of course the rune for
Kaz oh yeah helping out a little bit gaben one point yeah we did 4500 damage
that fight you know very mediocre
Boom, it would have been great if he had a BKB in that fight, but unfortunately not available.
It's still farming towards it, though, and I must say, Yamich, man, these bushwax, they
just need to land more cleanly from him.
And it's a much easier spot to land, by the way, right now, ever since the patch.
The cast range is higher, you can buy the chasm stone as well to get some extra AOE on it.
The only problem is you're playing with the bat, so some of the trees can be broken down by Firefly.
That possibly actually is what happened, right?
Because you kept being pushed back just at the tail end of the lasso, but Firefly is still online.
Yeah, it's hard. It's hard to coordinate these two spells.
Smoked again on the side of Maus. South American Rejects.
They'll me-show in a very good position to break these smokes.
And look at that game-sensing. You two are coming.
He glimmers just to make sure that, okay, someone will get scouted, and I think it broke on Yamage.
They're just trying to utilize this Aegis timer, right? Even though they did lose a fight, they still have it for an extra two and a half minutes.
AC being next item. Forty Alchemist of course versus Slardar.
Vitz, here's the reveal though, Vitz.
Gonna get the captain close to the far side of the fight.
Stay there, initiate onto the Grimstone, they get the kill.
I can out with the lasso onto Vitz, but Vitz still alive.
Actually, it's the Rhapsodons. Brings down Yamage.
Here comes Dark Margo, yet again with the rolling thunder.
Crashing into multiple of these heroes.
They're looking for Frank though, look at Kristalus.
Trying to just stand his ground, beat back the slaughter.
The BKB though will protect the slaughter for a very long time.
Vitz also able to TP out on the far side of the fight.
And Maus, despite catching them in an awkward position, just didn't have the damage to bring down these core heroes.
Yeah, they caught them in an awkward position.
The lasso was good on the right target as well.
And the resources on Radiant were really low.
Like, they didn't really have a lot. They didn't have mana on Stardar as well to play around efficiently in that fight.
But, good disengage. Very good disengage on the Radiant side.
Next on me show looks like they're planning for a smoke maneuver of their own here
Where are they going to go
Largo is working underneath an observer what as we speak so they know that boom is alone here
Well, they try to jump them is the question
Now they feel like a
There the effort and curve without the kids being here is too much
He's gonna wait for the kids. Yeah, he comes to the kids.
Phantom's embrace, out onto boom.
They put in the damage with the kids. Echo slashes out.
Still alive for now though.
But those are rolling thunder, a couple of right clicks, and a big shield crash.
They bring him down.
Lornoff though, able to at least attack and kill Skopjeos.
But Kristallis took so much damage from Frank and Dog Margo.
He just ends up going down.
And Frank is a dungeons here. He's looking towards Lornoff, able to get the kill on him.
Look at this Alchemist channeling this down. He just needs to get out of here.
Can they chase him? It's self-stunned. They know.
No, they have to go south star means the lone survivor, but that's gonna change.
They bring him down, they make it a team life and South American rejects, assert themselves
on the map.
Jax, that's a Vibe plus Aegis by the way, so they killed six heroes, keep in mind eliminating
the Largo bot immediately and there isn't really a lot that you can do as Largo when
Phantom's embrace is on top of you.
He doesn't have a BKB, it's like a hard counter actually when you think about it.
Like one of the worst things like I was talking about Viper and these tanky heroes how they don't really care about
Phantom's embrace, Vargo definitely does because you can actually can you spam the songs? I feel like you can't
I don't think you can anymore. You can't right like you need a BKB
Wait for the veil first. I think you're thinking about
Upgrading that before getting a BKB. They have a veil already on Viper as well
He's going bloodstone, right? I think so, yeah
It's going Bloodstone and the Platemail just for the, you know, just for T-Arm. Yeah, you can't, you can't play, you can't shop your, whatever it is.
3 string the guitar, base, boots, yeah.
Wow, this damage onto Kristallis though, my goodness.
I think we've seen this combination a couple of times. Slardar and Kaz, bot lane, boom.
He's running under the T1 tower, here comes Nautnago with a rolling thunder as well. They catch up to the Largo,
They're bringing in everybody though from miles to try and defend this.
Crystallis is here too. He hasn't activated a chemical range yet.
He gets it all finally with a huge throw by and brings them both together.
And they're trying to do the damage up, but no, Crystallis is able to stand this ground,
deliver the damage and break all of these heroes as low as possible.
Unfortunately, very quickly it's apparent that he's all by his lonesome.
He killed the slaughter, he killed the Grimstroke.
But he's the only one that's doing any damage in these fights.
Those are two back-to-back pipes, by the way, because this is a buyback on Largo on top of everything else, so all five heroes gone.
They initiated a little bit clunky, didn't really all connect at the same time, with some Kez was a little bit too far away.
But once again, the combination of spells that they've got on Supports doesn't really net them anything, they don't control these radiant heroes.
I believe that blinks in at the same time that
That case just goes through and he doesn't get the last off either. You'll see it's right here. Oh
boy
We're in the spirit herds way right now
You see I just blinks on him as he's grappling away
Doesn't really get the last off if you get the last so if you get the control on cuz maybe there is something here
But in any case this is looking really damn rough. I will say it's impressive how long
Crystallis was able to stand his ground here but eventually when everyone around you is dying it's like well you're fighting alone right now
I
Think that the idea is good on
The side of mouse, but they're missing a couple of crucial items. They're missing the BKB most importantly
I believe on Largo. It's just not there and now with the buyback. It's even more delayed
Especially when you got nothing out of the buyback right would have been one thing if a police was able to come back and save
And there's another thing like they bought two whale scepters one turned into the bloodstone on viper and I understand like this bloodstone is
An incredible item, but wasn't she was a good option here
Like lower the attack speed on top of the nether toxin and give you like she was is now all armor like you buy two armor items to build it
They're also really struggling with like positive vision for eggs to jump on to so it would help a little bit that these heroes hiding in the trees
Now though, the 10k net worth lead for the South American rejects.
He's looking very dire for this Mao's lineup.
We also have a disperser being queued up for Dark Margo.
I really like that a lot.
I don't know if Hazard fandoms embrace on top of him but they're not going to jump in
just yet.
Dark Margo is on route so they do actually have to vacate the area with the Viper.
Lincoln's doctrine core disperser like you mentioned, like this is, he's got one defensive
item and that always feels great when you can get away with one and it's a Lincoln sphere.
So now what, what do we do if we're on the side of Maus, how do we change the status
core of this game?
They managed in the last game, right?
That last game looked even worse and they did manage to mount a comeback.
For this game, for something similar to happen, first and foremost, BKB on the frog, Largobah?
Just jungle, bro.
That's it.
I don't want to see you on the map.
Stay in the swamp, farm those frogs.
Please, I'm Shrek gameplay.
There's another thing that you benefit now from level 20 Largo, by the way, and that's
the 50% groving armor aura.
It's usually you don't really think about it way too much, but it's really good this game
Sean up in 25 seconds, South American rejects. Certainly gonna be ready for it
And with one more ages, there's still some outer towers for them to clean up
So it's probably not gonna be a pure high ground siege
But it still feels like it makes the game way too hard for mouse to play
Can they contest if they don't have BKB for example, would they even be able to contest the long run?
Maybe you have that you you have some spam that you can throw into the pit
The VKB is definitely necessary though 200 gold away on Largo. He should have it after this wave mid
Mid as well is gonna be Ike who is most likely gonna die here
Not really too much that can be done to save him. Yeah, let's go get a full bush rack with a sharp shooter out on to this pangal here
They back off.
They're going in, rolling forward, finds Kristallis on the back edge of the site.
Laurenoff is going to get slowed down.
Ike will buy back.
Dark Margo, Inkswell on top of him to dissuade them from chasing.
They don't get him out of here.
This cannot be another buyback that doesn't achieve anything.
Ike, desperate to make something happen.
They even smoke for the additional movement speed.
They want to catch up to Dark Margo.
It looks like these heroes might just be gone.
They will go to their high ground at least because they can't go too far away.
rush is around. It's a good buyback by the way. It wasn't necessary buyback. There was
no way around it.
He gave me now available for the frog. Pistalis, gonna try and get the second Aegis. It will
be raw, but he did take the first one, so they know on the side of South American rejects.
And this is a decent thing because his rolling thunder was done, but now it's back. It's
available. He has Octo Rean to the cooldown and shoulder. Rosh about to die. You stole
The man in the pit, fight for an alchemist, caught out immediately, and this role looks under doing everything, but Lord Ruff is not dead.
He tried to stand his ground with the BKB, eventually though he will die, but he picked up the Aegis.
Fits super low, so he ends up losing his life, burning out to Kristallnus.
Kristallnus though can't move because El Mishou threw out the huge freezing field, but the pushwack cancels it.
They had the damage to bring down the hoodwink.
Crystal Maiden, she's dead already.
Dark Margot trying to get out, she's on the high ground.
Beautiful pushback again from Yamich, X-12, it's not gonna save him.
He dies, boom, threw a frog towards him, gets a triple kill.
They take the fight inside the Roshan pit.
That's a triple kill right there for our BKB frog.
6.2k damage suddenly for him.
These kind of fights are just fantastic when you can play your song 24-7.
By the way, of course, this fight is decided by a very simple thing.
Who gets his hands on the ages?
If Viper does not, this game is literally radiance to take, but he does manage to snatch it immediately and you know what as well,
like this Bloodstone kind of a build from Viper was dead because the item was trashed in the last batch, right?
In this batch, sure, armor would be just as good for him, but Bloodstone is, for the active, really nice.
It was one of those old-school builds when Bloodstone was good, it was bought on Viper, right? So, it has come in handy.
When we saw in this fight just how much damage that NetherToxin was doing to the kids and the panko.
To everyone, everybody was just struggling.
And you know, we were saying earlier that Jarmic needs to land the bushwax.
Yeah, yeah.
My boy did it in this fight.
He just didn't want to use the best ones straight up.
Oh, I forgot.
He was saving them.
Very good fight.
Not surprised.
Maus in game number one as well.
They managed some pretty incredible comebacks. They just have to keep at it now.
On Misho, I'd like to see him start building a PKB. Oh, never mind.
He has it.
He's pretty much on a 14K network crystal madeleine.
There's a couple of heroes on supports that are so much better now that you are guaranteed the greedy enchantment.
They're just much better. Like, Hero like Crystal Maiden, if you know that you will have that plus 100 JPM, you can always kind of expect to get a couple of good freezing fields, PKB will be there eventually.
Speaking of those position fires, what happened to that raptor? My boy, just raptor.
I think he's still pretty valuable, he's not played right now, but I think the hero is still pretty good, there's nothing better still from an ultimate perspective at least when it comes to agonist disruptors so...
There's going to be a jump on the back side, beautiful soulbind from Skopjord making sure
Lornoff cannot escape next to Yamich.
They go forward, they bring down Yamich extremely quickly, but what are they going to do here?
A room showing up to the fight alongside Lornoff with the BKB active strumming his song, they
are running the hell away from South American rejects.
There's a freezing field with the BKB active being channeled by Omisho.
Doing a lot of work here but they're still just going to run up and kill him.
Hit him in the face and he goes down.
Okay, maybe not as a little anti-climatic with that ultimate of his, but...
He got the most damage in the fight, 6.2k?
He did, he definitely did.
You can really see the power of the frog, by the way, now.
Level 23 is finally coming online in these last couple of fights.
Yes, as the Inks roll on top of him, jumping towards the damage.
Damage still alive for a moment.
Ake was looking forward, he lassoed, so he's gonna be able to get it out on some bits.
Law and Orc putting in the right clicks onto this case.
This case is about to die.
No, activate the Rhapsodons, able to grapple, slow onto the Hydra.
In the meantime, Frank brought down Ake.
Dark Margot running in interference, looking for Yamich.
Not gonna be able to find him.
The catchy lick will be there to make sure Yamich lives.
Dark Margot gets stuck, tries to get off with the squash buckle, but his life will be forfeit.
That dies.
In the same spot he died the last time they fought around a bit.
The draft is coming together. It took them a bit, right? But they're just a little bit too tanky on the ball's side.
And the type of tank heroes that they are, they deal overtime damage.
And the longer the fight goes, the more damage they're dealing. These Viper poison attack, they stack up, right?
And it stacks up and it helps out other heroes too, like Largo is benefiting from them.
Croke of Genius as well is coming into play. He's about to hit 25, 30% of course,
amphibian raps, so the song effects is what he's going for and the game in these
kind of standard teamfights right now is much better for mouse, but for South
American rejects they need to basically play it ninja style. Get in, get one kill,
bail, rinse and repeat. Force out a couple of BKBs and do the same thing over
over again. If they just try to 5v5 it's not going to work.
I think Buu maybe heard you questioning, you know how much impact you can get out of Largo.
He took it personally. He definitely did. I'm happy to see Largo work.
Even if he was given an Alchemist agonist.
He said Alchemist does not have an Abyssal Blade for himself.
He's gonna self stun in the lane, but
still dangerous. Oof, almost caught out to the slaughter.
It's actually queuing up on Agonyms of his own.
He's like, bro, I have an Alchemist and I have to do everything myself.
It can be refunded, of course, eventually if, uh...
Christalis feels like he can get away with it.
Maybe Agonyms is like, you know, tech-deductible for the Alchemist.
Once he's given up one or two, he's like, ah, the charity's not enough, over.
5K net worth lead for the side of South American rejects, but it definitely does not feel that way.
It definitely doesn't.
Seems like they are setting up a trap here, not really a trap, just in defense of the high ground.
They want to keep it in their control for now and they will.
Call the old TPR together on the side of Mars. They are sticking together. Nobody's gonna be found out of position.
I mean, this makes sense though, right? They recognize that if we fight actually 5 vs 5, realistically, who's really gonna die if we use all our spots correctly?
Ike leading the charge.
Can we slot off? Did show a little bit middle, but he clears out the wave immediately retreats.
We're just taking map control right now. They're doing a really good thing because realistically they can force big teamfights by going for objectives, right?
They're still a tier 2 bottom, tier 2 mid. If they don't want to fight you, well, you can force them to do that. Their high ground push is not that bad either.
I feel like they could even force high ground with a good last soul. Waiting for rush, of course, is more than discipline, but...
Here come the South American Rejects, so they're gonna catch the two Boas here, no BKBs just yet.
Now they're finally able to get it out there as well as Cristales. They got the last two out onto Bits.
They're trying to bring down these kids, they hit him with the offensive blade and he's gone.
We'll buy back though and as El Misho goes into the middle of the fray, BKB freezing field, they need to get out of that area.
But where's the follow-up from the rest of the South American Rejects?
Scofield also went down, but he doesn't have a buyback. Now that El Misho's BKB has expired,
They don't lose any HP in the process, just look at these heroes, they're all full HP,
almost full mana on everyone, just full on charging towards the high ground because why
the hell not?
Okay, you're missing lasso, but it will be back up in eight seconds. It's a very long cooldown at this point.
Tier 3 tower, getting brought down, Roshan's banner protecting the creep wave.
Laranov, he's standing tall in front.
Can you defend this? I don't think you can. I don't think they will even try to.
At least not the bottom set of racks. They have the tier 2 mid, they have the tier 2 top, so...
probably all they're getting but it's a lot considering the buyback on Kaz
now I have the gold advantage back in their favor for Mars all of these heroes
are starting to get to that point where you know it's one thing we also talk
about like Alchemist becoming the raid boss right but now Viper and this logo
are the sub bosses right behind the raid boss the henchmen the henchmen
Yeah, they definitely are, but I would say the most valuable spell that they've got at this point is the Lasso.
If it connects properly on the cas, and it did.
Krasalis?
Peace line.
You see?
Well, they didn't try with the rolling thunder, he's got DKB available.
His team is kind of far away, but he does manage to blink away from the rolling thunder.
And his team now, perhaps looking to punish Aik, gonna be able to get the double lasso Aik in his review from the backrider.
Onto the Grimstroke and the Pangol. Grim will be the first one to fall. Pangol was at least still in the role, so you could get away with the Swashbuckle.
But now they need to run.
Loranoff is on route.
And they do manage to get themselves away.
But man, it looked like such a juicy opportunity to catch Kristallis further away from his team, but it turns into disaster.
Yeah, they just didn't react fast enough. I feel like they didn't get to him fast enough.
It was a debate, oh look at me, I'm just self-stunning myself, but yeah, perfect agonies like you've mentioned reveal as well.
Lasso, Lasso, it's all it's about right now, like if he gets it on Kez, or if he gets it on any other two heroes, that's just so much value.
Well, Frank comes in, looking towards bringing down Ake.
They recognize the danger of the backrider, and they will kill him.
But Frank will sacrifice his life for this one.
Misha with the 3D field, BKB active.
Cristalus, they don't feel pistol-played on to Fitz, but he's still losing his life.
He's still dying. He doesn't have a BKB to play with.
He needs to get out of here, but boom!
Keeping him alive, forming his song, and now the last one from the buyback emerges on to Fitz.
So Fitzpango has to run away as he watches the kids die back into the game.
Doc Margot can't do anything to save him.
That's two minutes without him.
Frank, he brought back two, he can't afford to die here, but he gets the dieback out of
it.
They recognize the importance of their lasso and Frank takes care of the problem.
Okay, that's something at least.
You know that the high ground push is coming now that you've given away the Aegis and the
second life of Kaz.
who at least, without Bat, maybe it will be a bit slower.
The Trey just wasn't there. They were forced into it, right?
Like, you have to initiate on the Bat, they initiate on him,
but they lose Sardar in the process, and it's just not good enough.
And Alchemist is actually like one of those carries that when you...
when he's this big versus Kez,
doesn't feel that bad, because you regen through a lot.
And the Dot was actually dispel from him by Larm.
Yeah, by the lick, yeah.
And she has berserk potion as well, of course.
Larenoff and Boomer now on the high ground, pushing into the tier 3 tower.
They know there's no cares for effect.
Crystal Maiden, yes, she can come back, but they demonstrate a time and time again
that they can't deal with her, even in the freezing field.
Second lane of Rax to fall.
As you said, still the tier 3 tops are no megas, but it's being a lot sheer, Dark Marble.
Perhaps wants to go back in, gets the rolling thunder to the back lines, but they are chilling!
Nobody's losing anything. No one's scared.
Abyssal Blade now connects on top of him.
He needs to roll back into the safety of the base.
Boom. Happy to try and chase him.
Drop Shooter just barely doesn't connect.
The range finished towards the very end.
Now, Kristallis just going onto the tier 4 tower.
There's still 25 seconds. No cares.
Elmishio can't stop this from happening.
The Throne's about to get exposed.
Frank has the BKB. He can maybe try to jump in here.
15 seconds for cares.
What will they do on the side of Maus?
in looking towards the right for when he gets licky lick back in.
Cristalus gets the fascist arrow to Doc Margo.
Doc Margo trying to roll away, he can't do it.
He dies and he buys back, but they've bought enough time.
Kale about to respawn, Maus will now retreat.
Is it a full retreat? Let's see, it should be, right?
Like when you look at these mana bars, Largo, literally without it,
Alchemist as well, they need to reset.
But this was still, even though they don't close the game out,
with a very big advantage, there was no Kaz, this is still very well played and very disciplined for a mouse
just taking and not clutch butting heads, going all out for the throne
the moment they saw Kaz respawning, they still respect the mad damage output that this hero can
dish out in seconds, so...
I think I'm learning from this game is we're questioning about the impact of this logo, both questions are answered
But, you know, earlier Commander Tiger was also asking about the position 5 Batrider, the impact of it,
our support versus position 3, and Eke showed if the game goes long enough and you can get to these items,
you can still be just as impactful from a support role.
Oh, absolutely. I think the crucial statement there is if the game goes long enough,
and they managed to survive long enough for this draft of theirs to come online.
But I think it's a couple of items that allow them, besides the draft itself,
It's a couple of items that allow them to get to this point, and a playstyle where they shut down cast completely early on.
Let's see, high ground push is coming, still ages for two minutes.
Mishou brought out one agonist, and so did Wittz, spying off of that dataless.
They have the last hole, yet again they catch GoField. The push racks not gonna connect, but the shot through the will.
So, GoField will die without buyback. So fine. Expend it onto the logo and learnoff, but learnoff still has an ages to play around with.
Not really too scared here. Loaders all comes in to start the flicks directly on the Frank
They will be KB through and get away from the stun of the alchemist
But now the racks are exposed. Megas are incoming. They have a numerical advantage for at least 90 seconds
There's no way they're not gonna just try and end the game here now. This is basically 6 against 4 with the Aegis
Going in, Kess goes in immediately, Berserk may Kess is gone. In the blink of an eye
The bird has been turned into dinner.
Dark Marvel consul by either El Misho doing his best.
He gave me freezing fields with the Ag�axl El Misho.
Okay.
Holy space!
He actually saved the entire game, bringing down Logo and the Alchemist.
Unfortunately, they both have buyback coming back into the fray.
Lorinos both standing strong, Crystal Maiden.
Here comes that Crystal is looking for revenge.
And with the help of Yamens, they bring down the Maiden to die back for El Misho.
doing what they can Frank trying his own back boom but it will not be enough
they destroy the agent they take the game GG well played we're going to a game
three well deserved well deserved I feel like this game was a clash of ideas one
team with corrosive haze we just burst damage from the cast another team with
full-on just trying to sustain every single hero itemizing for it did work
out in the end worked out incredibly for the side of miles so we're gonna send it
back to the wall room to break down the tactics that they've deployed in this battle.
Thank you very much, Miles. Take it. It was a little bit of a back and forth, but by my the
start of this game at least was even, which I think is something that Miles really needed
after that game number one. They were still getting a little bit of it. I think Lordova didn't have
the easiest time with it. Some focus coming out there from SPR. Okay, a lot of focus.
We mostly seen this from the off lane viper where you get try lane
But I really don't remember last time where two supports went in before the horn and I killed viper once killed it twice
The Keds was there. Yeah, still kind of crazy
Like you've got a respect South American rejects of I like I dare to try and break down mouse mouse
Sure, Lorna had a bad time, but we're always focused towards mid even the supports rotating there
We did see Keds have to kind of play by himself
for a good portion of the early game.
We have to kind of play a bit more recovery.
But the mid game, very back and forth.
Mouse, he flies in the double axe timing to get the Aegis.
Then South American regents just barrel through the map
with the aggression that we expected to see.
And unfortunately, South American regents,
fortunately for Mouse, this fight does go the way
the die aside, as they just kind of out-sustained them.
Yeah, having the Aegis, that was the big one,
because you talk about sustained Bloodstone and Viper,
all of these armor items. It's kind of easy to itemize when you're playing against three
physical damage cores. Everybody's going to be building into pretty much every possible
item that gives you armor. So there was Lotus Orb on Viper that he rushed, then you had
the Largo going for the Crimson Guard as well. They were sitting at the 50 plus armor, plus
Largo's armor on top of that. So they were kind of unkillable. You could feel the damage
coming out in like some 25 up to 30 minutes where they were still having insane amount
of physical damage but at one point they just didn't have enough.
I think we saw the same South American rejects in the mid game of game one and game two.
In game one they could recover it and then win the game but in this time they aren't
seeing it.
You know it's like wait a second they are making the mistakes.
You could look if you rewind the game and look between like minutes 30 to 40 there's
like a random CM death going for the big old.
There's a random pang of death, there's a random kez death, and I saw us jumping in, Skofl's not dying.
It felt like for a good 10-15 minutes of the game, it was just kind of like random things happening,
rather than them going, this is how we need to win.
I think the pressure of mouth itemizing, like Lacoste was mentioning, kind of got to him a bit,
because Nars just played like a really nice pick-off game.
Yeah. Do we also feel like they're having the Grimstroke and the Siem together?
Obviously, it looked good at the start of the game, but at some point that falls flat.
Because you mentioned it during the draft already.
Yeah, this time around, they don't really have the big combo in the late game to pair up with the Grimms.
Not like you absolutely need to have it, but you have Frostbite, which is okay.
Double Frostbite! Wow!
Yeah, I mean, it's good, but they tend to fall off slightly, especially if Grimms strokes are not the one scaling.
He basically had two items. It's a blink dagger for positioning, same goes for the Ether lens,
and then A on death for a little bit of a protection.
And Boob is going to be the standout player for a good reason.
He dealt almost 50,000 damage, which is pretty insane.
And he also did 15,000 healing.
Like, he was pretty much being the frontline.
If you compare the numbers to Chrystalis,
a bit of a different story,
because he is playing Alchemist,
not really buying the items for himself.
He's buying the items for the team,
amplifying their own damage and sustain,
who was sitting at sub-30k damage.
It shows that at one point,
he just felt very comfortable blinking in
and be like, yeah, focus me down.
Otherwise, I'm just gonna be extremely annoying.
Even at the early stages of the game, the lick,
they got a lot of value out of it.
I mean, I feel like for Boom at least,
it's good for him to see the MVP screen
if he's walking around.
Like yesterday, his reaction to some of his deaths,
even in this game, right?
Like when he died, like he had like the full,
a moat kind of head to head.
Hand to head, hand to head, yes, hand to head.
That's how it works.
Point is, he's compared to other tournaments
I've seen him play, he feels just more reactive
emotional in the bad moments so I feel like at least getting a win like this might lift his
spirits going into a very important decided game three. Yes there were still moments that we'd
like to highlight one of them I don't think played out as well for Maus as they wanted to but
the story of the game was that the start of the game South America Rejects did have a lot of fights
going their way as well. Yeah this is the fight where South American Rejects post 30 minutes
it's rentally able to replicate the you see these rolling thunders it's something that needs to connect and you can see the
damage it is there like once they lock onto a target free all of these tanky items these ac's all these like he on wiper he had like
even a casual plate mail during one of those like even at the endgame I think he still had a casual plate mail because he was trying
to think up as much as possible, slowing their move speed, sitting in there, but if any of
the heroes get isolated by Slaughter, by Kez, that hero is going to die immediately.
Yeah, and we talked a lot already about the Viper, he was targeted quite heavily, of course.
We could take a look at how he did throughout the game as we will see minute 20, first of
all.
Yeah, I just want to highlight his optimization rate, because like his game, like you mentioned,
he was targeted, but they gave the first axe to the Viper not to break the map go forwards
like we've seen with other outclinups, but more secure low loss ability to continue farming.
And if he does get jumped, might even survive, right? Having that nose dive with the attack slow,
he's really rushed the Lotus, then he's got the Urgrance looking towards like the BKB.
It's kind of, I think, cool conceptually, but they played a very defensive timing on the Viper.
Because again, if you fast forward and look later into the game, he continues down this line.
Like his entire role for the team is absorb the fight. Like Lacoste said already, you have the Lotus,
you have then the BKB. He went for the sheavers. He has bloodstone, HP, armor, attack slows
the galore, the casual plate mail. So we also saw his KDA improved. Still, not an impressive
looking KDA, but his job was just to be a frontline to soak up that initiation from
a 30 minute clip. The three cores jumping one guy, that was the best way they could
fight. But after that clip, we never saw it again because they saw Viper and they went,
wait a second, we don't want to kill him. We can't kill him. So yeah, very good optimization
Yeah, if they like use we've seen this throughout the tournament so far that if there is a lineup that
Kind of has to go all in and they're running out of steam
They're gonna be losing the fights like so many times with these like sustained lineups where they can fight with
They don't necessarily need to have like big ability still
They're gonna be full HP with the bloodstones with Largo as well healing them up
So this is what they wanted to play they wanted to play the longer team fight and as long as they don't get bursted
So we kind of feel that South American rejects should have focused on ending faster. It sounds very simple, but in a way their lineup was on a little bit of a timer.
Yeah, I think this is not like a draft problem for them. I feel like in the mid game, they're just not always on the same page. I think they're a very heavily momentum based team where they need the game to kind of play it for them.
for them like when you have 10k lead get kills you keep getting kills like the game tells you like
keep doing it when the game gets difficult i think they get kind of exploited very quickly
and then they lose the game so they just have to snowball games okay let's see if they can snowball
game number three or if maus will have their momentum and take that third and deciding game
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team goes where.
South American rejects up against a mouse with mouse winning that second game, South
American rejects winning game number one.
And my first question towards Lacoste and Tegov is about the draft from game two.
We saw a very clear priority, South American rejects in that game was first pick.
They prioritized the Slardar over the Alchemist, and now I know Alchemist wasn't the 50-50
split, it was Slardar into Batrider, but on hindsight, would you do the same again?
Because it seemed like, for example, if I compare the Slardar or Frank to Triple S's
Slardar, I didn't get the same vibe.
I like the Slardar personally.
For me, if the draft order is staying the same, maybe respecting Alchemist a little bit
more in the second phase bands because a lot of Master's ability to win this game was giving
acts to heroes to be tanky and to survive because the game's a little bit awkward.
But if there wasn't an elk in the mix, we could have maybe sent a repeat of the previous
game, like you kill mid, you break open that lane, get kills.
Hey, the other heroes wouldn't be as tanky, the other heroes wouldn't be having as much
farm and that also means that with the lineup that they do have would be able to easily
like 2-3 shot them with all the minus armor that they did have.
I also think that they are going to be shifting in this game 3 on South American
Reject side towards the green heroes. I think they
are going to be the one looking to get the vipers for themselves.
Maybe Necro, Muerta. They just love to play those heroes. I think those heroes
feel very strong right now and want to see if they're going to be able to
maybe get one, maybe even two out of those because
Viper, he did a lot, maybe not so much in terms of like,
oh, look at me, I'm going seven and zero in the lane,
I'm snowballing.
It's about how much damage he was able to receive
and still have a massive impact on the game.
Yeah, he was heavily focused and still did his job.
That is indeed impressive.
We are in game three.
We got Maus with first pick for themselves on the radiant side.
The Slardar and the Alchemist are no longer in the equation.
They got removed by South American Rejects.
So it's going to be up to Maus to decide
where they want to take this draft and what they want to pick first, it's going to still be the
Batrider they prioritized previous game as well.
I respect the upgrade on the alchemist, we saw how important it was in the last game.
If it was to be let through, even mouse going, okay guys, we're one game away from playoffs,
how do we do it? You're obviously going to take the alchemist, especially with how the last game went.
I think respecting it and just upgrading its band once more is exactly what you want in the game,
Don't try and you know test your limits on it on a hero that is still one of the best in this tournament
On the other side the Kunkka has been one of the best heroes for Dark Margot's play
He's also the only one that not the only one that plays it, but the only one that consistently is
Playing it right now and from the mid and they're picking it relatively early in the grass as well
They're like, yeah, what are you gonna do about it from the mid lane like timbersaw doesn't seem that strong of a hero anymore
So, Viper's gone already. This is something that Kunkka doesn't like to play into, so using this opportunity and straight up picking Kankka, which most likely they don't want to flex.
Like we've seen other teams, Eastern European teams, play the offlane. Kankka, he did look okay. Just keep it mid for it.
It's also just nice into the identity of Batrider. Batrider was a jump on top of you, damage over time. Kunkka then throws it out of boat, so you got your boat buff against him or the run buff, sorry.
So this is the back and forth. There is the cute mechanic of the X on the guy who gets lassoed to keep him back.
Overall, I think because your midlaner is playing it, he's 3-2 in the tournament, you see one clear hero that you like playing against, just pick it.
Maybe they also thought about how the previous game was played, where they needed to have a hero that can also be playing longer fights as well.
So, what better hero than delay that initial damage with Kunkka?
Strongman, like with the items that you're buying, BKB, Silver Edge,
also you're going to be a menace to deal with some of the heroes that need to be broken.
Like some of these tank heroes like Tide, Bristol Back as well,
and then he also did go for SNY, makes him extremely tanky,
just be that frontline guy, soak up the damage.
It's much easier to play the fights when you have this type of a hero
that just doesn't die immediately, provides so much info for the rest of the team.
And a hero that was respected by both teams in the band, the Venomonsa, that is now available, not expecting it to be, as you know what, I could actually see maybe South American Rejects taking it themselves potentially into the back right of stirring down the goo and just a mess.
Imagine trying to smoke into an area, there's plague wards, there's a Conqueror, there's X, there's Boat, there's just, it just sounds annoying to play against, but the other greens are out, no Valkyrie, no Necro.
I don't know if they can squeeze in at that profit. There was like one game where liquid
played it as a five not necessarily good at this game. We're just really about green.
Yeah.
Poor Pogna. He got enough to oblivion. Like, why couldn't they keep a little bit of their
after oblivion? That's his name.
There it is.
Yeah.
I'm trying to impress you.
It was a good one.
In the previous game, we saw Phoenix band in the overall last phase doesn't happen very
often is still one of the highest contested hero. Is it a hero that both of these teams
consciously just don't prioritize that highly? Or is it just not really Phoenix players or
what's up with that? Weirdly, they did play it in their qualifiers.
Qualifiers they play it at LAN, they're not really rushing towards it. So maybe on the
coach drive home every day, they're like, coach, come on man, give me the hero. We're
I want to win a Valahia, and then they pick it in the qualifiers and they must go to bed and forget about it, and then deja vu.
We'll see. In the first game I think Miles did have their hands on it, so it means it's a hero that's going to be on their radar. That's for sure.
It is a little weird if a mouse to draft it, if they're trying to put Batrider between offlane to 5, Phoenix you kind of want to put in the 5 position.
So if you do pick Phoenix here, you've got to reveal the Batrider.
But I can see both teams maybe in the next cycle of picks, considering the hero.
In the first game, they also had Ember against Konka, and they did not work out.
No, it was like 2k gold lead of 10 minutes, which is...
It's not an easy matchup for Konka by any means.
Sorry for Ember, but I would love to see maybe supports do something similar
that South American reach fits in game number two,
where they moved around the supports relatively early on,
try to help them out.
Again, this is not the easiest hero to kill
by any means, Kunkka, that is, especially with the damage,
but you have, as if this is gonna be a Batrider
from position four role,
this is one of the better heroes that you can rotate
with the flame break into Searing Chains, Blood Grenade,
there's a lot of damage over time
that you can actually deal slowing down.
So you might wanna see slightly more focus,
Depending like which other hero they're gonna be picking most likely this is gonna be five for mouse
You'd like to think mouse will have better sight lanes this time though
But the reason why ember can also felt so bad is the sight lanes of mouse was so like
Poor that you got to see the carry rotate to mid this pause rotate to mid
They were using the level six advantage couldn't get on the ember like it was so much freedom
Lornaf just never really entered the game
But I like this a lot. I like the task. This is one of the amateurs better hero
And also if you like if this is gonna be the support duo
It's still super strong if this is gonna be the off lane duo
It is also something that Batrider likes to play into
You have a stun you have another way of slowing people down blocking them off
So it feels really good. Crystal is actually kind of a fun pick here
All right, you'd think that she's gonna be easy killing throughout the entire game
But with the shot the crystal clone you can actually really polish back and but I'm toss all heroes
that want to get into melee range right off of you, you just disengage, hit that frostbite,
you kind of waste that initiation in the fight, I think.
Same can actually do quite a lot.
Have a question.
Yep.
We see so many teams prioritized to Rubik this patch.
Rubik is amazing against a hero like Christer Man, because everything you steal is better
than when she uses it.
Why?
I mean, I know Miles is still keeping that batrider reflex, but why wouldn't Rubik be
in the cards here?
It's not a flex anymore.
It's kind of saying that this is going to be a support hero, but
Darkshear plus Tusk most likely even Darkshear plus Batrider
They have the option to go for both of the lanes the lanes are going to be strong
They have the don't have the overall last pick so they will have to adjust see what they want to be picking but
Darkshear, how do you feel about the hero like we've seen it getting picked a couple of times?
It's okay. I think it only excels if you have heroes like Meltas, right? Every single hero plus with Darkshear
is an iron shell body that would utilize it that'll go in you have to search to
run away when you get doomed like it's just enabling the fight we praise
mouse on being a team that wants to fight they've been losing a lot of lanes
having the lowest net worth of any team out there so far but when you look at
these heroes like you're expecting play out the lane get an item and move up
and hopefully Frank can wake up for game three. Iron shell on Ember Spirit this
has always been like one of my favorite combos like with the heroes because
you deal so much damage over time, add the mage there build on top of that, that's going
to be an extra oomph that the supports are just going to hate to play against. Like again,
we might be seeing the longer fights, even on Batrider, even on Tusk himself, you can
win the game off of these iron shells if you're going to be playing the longer fight once
that drum buff decides to wear off.
It was looking like a good ass game. I was looking at it, I'm looking at the notes, I'm
I feel like Christmas is probably calling for it and yeah, you don't care at all about
Hoodmink, CM and Kunko.
You kind of brush off a lot of their fight.
Sure, if you get doomed about your own, it's going to be a bit annoying, but that has opened
up to flex in the lane character.
We do not see Enigma picked into Ursa.
It is a historical counter because of you have Idols, you out-deny, you take the tower.
When Ursa wants to play to chase down the lane and buy Battle Fury at like 12-13, into
To enigma you're playing backwards in the lane, you don't get that kind of the freedoms.
Go back to Darkseer, I think he's the one that is going to be either soaking up, it's
pretty similar to what the Darkseer and Centaur's do once there's Doom on the enemy team.
They either have to tank the Doom themselves so they can save other people or somebody
else is going to get searched.
This is why Xmarked Spot is going to be very valuable throughout the whole game.
It's just an easy cash against most of these heroes as well, but yeah, Frank and Igma,
this is one of his better heroes overall.
It's another team fight and Doom is going to be played from victory role.
They don't have the double Doom combo this time around, but the heroes are going to be
tanky.
I think it gets very easy on their side for the supports to actually play the game because
you have like so many bodies in front.
My concern I think a little bit for South American Rejects is if the game gets to the
the mid game and mouse get to play the chaotic nature, discipline is so important. When you
have Black Hole and Doom, if you waste these spells, the enemy team, yes guys, we run
at you even more and the mid game has been a major problem for them. They've been making
mistakes and when you look at the heroes of mouse, no cooldowns and the reason why they
won tournaments in the past are drafts like this. So I feel like they're very much back
into their comfort and they don't have to like overplay, like they're back in like the
the mouse territory.
But we've seen Witt's being the most versatile carry
in this entire event.
He adds another hero to his list.
How can you doubt this man?
Also, he's got a sick doomset.
I don't doubt him, but it's more on Frank.
Like, if your carry player is so willing
to just flex anything to the carry roll
and just go, guys, I'll take it.
You go with other lanes,
then I'm just really looking at Frank.
Like, I'm looking at like, minute six, Tao is dead.
He's rotating to mid, taking mid Tao.
Like, I don't care about Witt's right now.
I care more about Frank.
And maybe epic fights with black holes and all that stuff. That's what we want to see
We want to see an epic game a number three made extra effort by our commentary duo snare and lizard
Over the last two games
South American rejects and miles have gone to war
But one final battle will determine it all and right now it is the South American reject starting this battle off on the
Front foot earning the first blood for the carry doom Liz
What are we expecting here? Is this the start of yet another massive early game for South American rejects turning into a crazy swing from us?
Well, let's see. They're starting to be tough really well, and I kind of find it hard to imagine
Them having a bad laning stage even because of the heroes that they've drafted like this Enigma was a pretty
Switch up on them. Perth's subversus don't pretty good in the lane. Not so amazing in the game
However Enigma amazing versus Ursa in the lane, so they switch it up
They put the dome in position one. This hero isn't even that bad of a position one honestly
But the build is a bit different like usually when you're playing go boom
Boom could be some danger here on the docks here blood grenade dropped out onto him by El Misho
Vitz just need a couple more right clicks one more. He's gone
Who kills to his name already? Well one kill and one assist to the dome by the way this set she where you're absolutely right is
is pretty damn cool. It looks even better in the loadout lobby than it does right now,
but it's really nice.
Well, unless you play Baldur's Gate, then you see this entire image in your life. Hell
no, get me away from this hero.
Some call of Tulu right here.
Dark Mago though, reprising his role on the Kunkka. One of his specialty heroes, nobody
does it like he does. I love these kind of lost games, right? Everyone is just like guys.
is on the line, we have one last opportunity. Pick your ultimate comfort.
Kristallis, Ursa, Frank, Enigma, Dark Mago, Kunkka, Loranoff, Ember, Yamage, Task, baby.
It's going to be hype.
A lot of comfort on both sides. A lot of small little tactics, small little mid game strategies
that they have, maybe even laning strategies, of course Enigma and Toursa are pretty good,
but don't play in Dark Seer and Task. Old school combo, very strong from level 3, however,
until that point not that great and even into dome early on like if he gets a point in the
tower he'll be able to take one of those creeps away you know get rid of the iron shell that
easily can't come in handy scofield insistent on being able to bring down the courier chases
it all the way and uh playing in behind the tower scofield just doing scofield things
and you can see mausers learned the scofield is doing this kind of stuff bro don't chase
too much just focus on the farm focus on the creeps yeah well enigma so far 6-1
irsa 7-4 focusing on the creeps definitely worked out top they're diving
by the way under his tower so both sides of the map were playing behind the
tier one towers boom we'll go back for this range creep should be able to get
it damage is bringing him more creeps as well so beautiful play coming out of
support? It's a pretty good approach from Radiant. Just making sure that you don't
play the lane until you get level 3. Once you get level 2 I'll show you. You can make
some plays, you can be aggressive on the crystal maiden or maybe even on the dome.
There's more than enough damage on those two heroes. This is so far the most
normal laning phase that they've had on the South of South American VJX. We haven't
seen any crazy early rotations. I feel like they don't have to do that. They don't have to make any insane rotations.
The question is if they even can, when it comes to the mid lane, not really that easy to rotate without a Grimstroke.
A Grimstroke versus an Ember Spirit was a pretty big reason of why Warnov had such a bad game.
He wasn't really activated as well, nothing really truly benefited from as an Ember Spirit.
This time around though, he's got quite a few things.
Iron Shell being a massive one.
He's doing an amazing job in the laning phase, the CS battle is being won decisively by Lorinoth right now.
In fact, a lot of the CS battles are being won by the side of Maus.
It hurts actually, probably to me at least the most surprising one.
Christalis is doing really damn well on bot lane. Might even get the kill on Skofield here.
Indeed, Skofield, nice bushwax to keep him alive for a second.
I go through for the blood grenade, Christalis trying to get himself away from that Malefic stun.
Well, Yamich has made a rotation bottom, the Ion Shell doing the damage onto Skowfield, Skowfield will die,
Kristallniss will be taken with him, he's Iolons putting in the damage, but nonetheless it's a 2 for 1 trade in favor of Maus.
Yeah, hashtag words for boom, getting kills across the map, and I'm never quite sure what to build on Darkseer currently because you can do anything.
This hero, at the moment, in the current state, every Aura that you buy is good on him.
It all depends on the game. He's going for a bit more of a selfish route, going for power threats, actually, into consecrated raps.
With the power threats, I assume at some point maybe an agonist will show up as well.
Gonna be tanking up in this game, as El Misho will come back through the twin gate.
Vitz is still farming away.
on this doom what do you want to see on the carry building here I think the
build is maybe pretty straightforward I want to see a harpoon I want to see a
silredge and I want to see SMY the other items from him maybe a BKB comes in
handy but those three items are really good on a carry goon so and the wolf
it's very important what you eat what kind of a creep you find
Alpha wolf is almost always the best option.
Salus is starting to experience some pain from the Syndic Malane of course, as we get more points into the demonic summoning.
Hydralons, only surprising like how much damage they deal early on in the game.
When you get boots of bearing as well right like trunks and stuff, it's quite a lot on Esho.
gonna try get himself away but there's no way they'll allow that so we sure will
die here. Stylist would be great if they could get him the kill and indeed that
is the case. We'll make up for his earlier death and for the loss of farm in the lane.
3-3, very even. I still want to see when Lauren will start getting involved. He is
level six right now we are 20 seconds away from the next room so once the
power room comes out it's favorable we could start to see early aggression
emerge from mouse absolutely it's all about the resources though right like
amber and kunkka they do have ways of going back home but you'd like to get
them in at six throne on both sides seems like learnoff is a bit faster and he
gets it damage also came through just to make sure the protection was required
he's available unfortunately no gank you will emerge from here there is an
observer would does get de-ordered now. Yeah the question is like where do you
want to go because right now I see the supports are hovering around the
bot lane. All four supports basically but Ember can make a defense. He can be the
deciding factor top lane as well. Trilane's a back baby, push Ractos out onto
Ake. Ake one shot follows through. What a damage being dealt to the statrider.
Damage can't really find a clear target for the snowball. Trilane this kind of
for traveling is currently at least definitely benefiting the Ursa because if you played against level 3
Idolons with just one hero next to him, it wouldn't be possible. Most of the last hits would get denied so...
The World of Sight actually moves Go-Pyo to the top lane. Lona consists for the Shrine of Wisdom.
They're also consisting down on the top side of the map and on bottom El Nisho.
Inside the ice shards right now the Bird is going to come through from Lona North.
Nice dodge on the boat using the slider fist. Ake will pick up the shrine, get the bonus experience, Yamich will die
But so will Boom on the other side. Another one though
Will rest easy in the grave. He put the iron shell out onto Kristallis who was able to also bring down Skullfield
Boom got denied keep that in mind. Nice. He got denied by the neutral camp
So they get the creep they get two neutrals. They get the shrines of course
Pretty good
Definitely the kind of slot you want to see if you're on the side of Miles right now.
As everybody returns, Lornoff, he didn't go bottom, was involved in some kills there,
and he start building himself into that earner shadows.
It feels like this is an amazing Spirit Vessel game.
Doom and Conquer, I feel legit.
Absolutely.
By the way, Midas on Dome.
Also an option of course, didn't mention it, but going Midas or not depends on how quickly
you want to be a part of this game, how quickly you want to join fights.
If you buy a Midas, I feel like you can still be a part with Doom every time you have it. You can use it
Not too far away force about halfway through for
Vitz on his doom and the other side Kristallis is still making inroads towards his battle fury
We're gonna try and farm some heroes here. They're gonna take the twin gate rotation move in towards this doom
See if they can pick him up
He hasn't backed off just yet, but he starts to realize there's some things a little bit arrived hiding in the trees
Ember is showing me though, I feel like that will give him confidence to show.
He does indeed show for just a second there's gonna be the wall expected.
They wanna try and get him down underneath the tier one tower.
The iron shawls are gonna be burning through this doom.
And boom, will be the one that gets the credit for the kill.
Early enough, Ursa is really good against noob.
Right, noob is kind of tanky, but Ursa doesn't care about tanks.
Fury swipes, noob stack up.
Later down the line, Doom is a problem, but good rotations coming out from Hrystalis and Tusk.
We're gonna try and force this entire tower. Ember's coming through as well, so they really are insistent that we are taking this tier one.
We're gonna deny Doom space to farm. Ember moved out, he cannot connect again, he'd have to TP, so maybe there's a chance to defend this.
This Franco TP to the top side of the map Vitz is coming through as well
They are gonna be able to get the tower. No, not just yet
Knuckle is expanded on Yamage, but he was inside the snowballs
Well, it does absolutely nothing. He will be dragged back
Killed off by Dark Margot and Frank. Oh, will he? He's actually just TPing out
Oh, wait.
Crystalist and Boom got out as well and Yamage got the tower before he left.
That is. That's just painful for Dire. The surge by the way, Boom saving Deersa from the Doom and Hoodway
using surge on him just so well played the snowball and of course Frank being
there but not quite like if the black hole connects on two fantastic if it
connects on one good if it connects on a snowball that's really what you want not
the best oh Frank now with the black hole being down it will give a lot more
freedom to how miles on a move around the map a lot into fear this massive
as well. So two minutes on cooldown for him.
Definitely a lot easier, especially when you look at the Enigma, you're playing into one,
two, three, four melee heroes and a Batrider. This is like for the two offlaners, I feel
like this is a dream game. On one side you have four melee heroes to Ion Shell, and on
the other you have four melee heroes to catch in the Black Hole, so.
Well Frank at the very least, despite not being able to get killed, stop, as removed
It's here on Tower Bottom with the Iron Lawn Span.
One of the strengths and one of the reasons why Ningru was popular on the offlane for so long is that you're not only a black hole bot,
like this hero with the proper itemization, like at some point it was Vlad's, then it became Boots of Bearing, plus Vlad's, or just Boots of Bearing,
becomes quite oppressive when it comes to taking objectives.
We're not even at both Nekton and Bank, he still hasn't decided just yet, does he have
the drums of endurance in the inventory?
The next item should either be Bering or Blink, I feel like, both are fine, you could argue
for maybe a pipe as well, but a lot of physical damage on the other side.
Does come back now, just to go keep farming the jungle, he's under vision so I will also
give Kristallis the information he needs to continue farming safely.
Larnoff very close towards having that spirit vessel.
Quite a better timing than in game number one as well.
He might try to play aggressively into the Kunkka here. His haste rune just expired,
but he goes with the snowball, wall is also extended, high on shelf, flame guard.
Kunkka, thank you, feel alive though. The ghost ship crashes through the Koko rum,
we'll keep him alive. Larnoff looking for the slider fist in the trees, he's gonna miss.
just barely Kunkka will end up living in the meantime as he goes back onto the
rune spot El Misho took away the shield rune so learn of what's to be a tree
yeah cool TP from with zoning them out with just the TP and using frost ice
armor not frost armor ice armor on the Kunkka to give him some extra armor
versus Emperor close call for Dark Mago but he's alive if one thing that they
They were missing their, it's pretty simple, they were missing Darkseer, right?
Like no one had them, Darkseer is still on top lane.
Sometimes you can go to the offline Darkseer, ask for an Ion Shull, then TP to delay New
or Ganking, but they definitely need that extra damage.
Darkseer does not pick up his Consecrator Raps, hangling towards having a pack of Insight
next.
It's nice. I quite like the consecrated raps of Darkseard as a
Kind of a middle item between things, you know like just a small little tank up item
And then you can go for Dioras feels good not dying every time someone goes on you because the hero is
quite squished squished still
So the jungle farming for his battle theory looks like the side of South American rejects
they're still very intense on just allowing the vids to be able to farm safely.
I guess they don't want to make a move until they have the Darth Magal BKB so that's going
to delay their progress quite a bit and open up a space for them to get some pretty cool
items to emerge on the radiant side.
BKB on him, Black Hole on Enigma right?
It is up now, and the Blink Tacker is there in 100G, so I think we'll have it.
I actually popped a spell just yet. It's utilizing it as a way for his team to retreat.
Yeah, this is just the perfect timing. They caught them off guard, they caught them without the items.
They weren't ready on the other side. Frank, 10 gold away currently from the blink dagger.
If he has blink dagger, and that happens, it's a huge turn around. But of course, they killed the Kunkka a little bit too quickly.
He's gonna go for Midas on Frank after the blink dagger.
Yeah, interesting choice, I gotta say, it's not like Enigma farms way too slowly, but okay, they will have two Midas then, right, one on the Doom and one on Enigma as well.
Conker the only one that doesn't have a Midas queued up, but he almost has his BKB. Now they know that the Docks, your wall is down for at least a little bit, so you could try and do something on the map once you get the BKB.
I don't think you care about the wall all too much like when it comes to this spell
It's a decent spell, but it's not a game changer out of the ultimate
So you could even you could be an argue the Darkseid ultimate is actually the back here like
Getting a Malphite stun
Does a firefly though if he gets into the trees he can't TP or blink outs into the TP
That's exactly what he'll do
Oh, me sure cannot catch up at the same time because they're down this side
They decide to play aggressive we up on top to get the quick kill on the scope field fits attempting the TP out
But fortunately, they've already utilized the snowballs when he gets out safely.
And the vacuum.
Fortunately, for the duel, it's on a one-minute cooldown.
Level 1 spelled, 50 seconds on level 2.
One of the longest cooldowns on the first couple of levels.
It's actually ultimate in the game that I've listened to.
It's an ultimate, yeah. That you skill early on.
Marco, can't catch up to the Amplify damage room that will be snagged up by Lornoff.
Who is now actually going to play with Ike who shows up out of nowhere with the blink dagger onto Dark Muggle?
They're trying to dodge the ship landing, they're trying to dodge this Black Hole.
The steering jays unfortunately cannot cancel it out, so both heroes get caught and killed within the Black Hole.
Lawrenov forced to back himself away.
This is chasing though.
Do they have the drums popped just yet?
Not necessarily, but it's just one to get it.
There we go, they find the doom, they get the X.
Boom, realizes he cannot hop his mid laner.
Has to watch as Lawrenov dies.
He was thinking about it, he was thinking about connecting but couldn't really get there.
And this was all without mobility on DOOM or on Kunkka. Keep that in mind. They still managed to catch them.
Once the blink, the harpoon is there, the game becomes a lot easier.
And of course, the black hole. Finally, we still see the power of the Frank and Ignite.
Ignite.
Some push coming up through here from Frank.
BOOM, or just happily go tear out those waves.
So it's the classic build from Ursa. Nothing really has changed. The battle fury into the
blink, into the BKB after, is the standard go-to.
This has always been one of those heroes, right? This build hasn't changed since the
heroes inception, really.
There were patches where you'd see even Vlad's Ursa like a long time ago, so there were some variations.
I would argue even right now, like you have two ways, one is BKB, another one is Basher,
like if you can get the Aegis immediately, you get the Basher and then you use it as,
you use the Aegis basically as a replacement of the BKB, and then you farm up the BKB while you have it.
But the itemization on him is pretty damn simple, almost every single game you come up with
the same items by the end of the game.
Is that Midas now for Enigma?
Despite having lost out on that prize coming a little bit.
What do you feel about that by the way?
Midas.
I suppose if you're thinking to yourself that game one was 45 minutes, game two was 53
minutes. Okay, let's just make sure that we're ready to tangle in the late game.
That's part of the reason why they lost the previous game, right? That as a game
scale data later, more items were emerging for miles than for them. So
this is the way to rectify that. They were playing versus an Alchemist though.
It's a much different game, but yeah, with the Midas scaling is maybe a
little bit easier for the Enigma. He will delay his ultimate power spike.
That's the... Link plus PKB.
Onizho.
You might find yourself dying here, vacuum to cancel out the freezing deal, the Ion Shell will burn.
Woo!
Nothing a Crystal Maiden can do about that.
They smoke immediately, they're not done with the aggression.
You want to catch somebody else?
Oh, he bought the Shard.
Yeah, I was thinking if he's going to do this or not, and I really like it because
it activates you even further.
Like, the Shard on Darkseer is pretty nice and underrated.
I think this is an item that you can opt to buy very early on, especially when you have heroes
that you can iron shell plus just put surge on them
It also of course makes it a lot harder to play blink heroes any chasing heroes
It slows you down the trail plus it
delays your blink
Speaking of blinks one is a merge now for cristalus
Fortunately, they didn't find anybody with their smokes
They were actually caught a little bit because after they smoked Lornoff disappeared under the smoke just as you are sliding on the C-wave
So, on the side of South American rejects, they were aware of that aggression played accordingly.
For Lincoln's next not-yember, once again, makes their vessel, Lincoln's pretty solid.
He's playing into a doom. Doesn't make sense. X marks the spot as well. Very annoying.
That's their turn to smoke. South American rejects.
They are in through the mid lane, but everybody from the side of Maus has gone all the way to the western part of the map.
Nobody seems like they'll get caught here.
Even this tusk took the twin gates out.
The smoke goes nowhere.
They have way too much vision.
Or at least the way they were positioned.
Like they have this one deep ward that was just circled by Ursa.
And also they were just playing the Dire Forest.
So they knew more or less where they are.
So they could guess where they are.
Because of that they used that information to go straight into the Roshan pit
Knowing for a while that all of South American rejects are on the other side of the map.
They didn't even take the tourminter to make this a trade, so you might even be able to go back and grab it yourself.
Our first Aegis of the game, going the way of Kristallis on Azersa.
The path to the BKB begins.
I wonder if they even have to wait.
I feel like just using this Aegis to bait out one of the black holes just before your BKB comes up
could be pretty significant because then you can fight afterwards without the black hole
or of course like you said wait for it just wait for the BKB
Check the quality made to go for it now Batrider Ursa coming to the Twin Gates
Ember Spirit just clearing out this wave forcing it forward
I mean, that's not heroes boom, but he's on duty protecting the TOA middle
By the way, he bought just a casual chasm stone on Darkseer. Eventually, of course, he can turn it into
Into Ashivas. I feel like it's bugged on Darkseer. Most heroes like you get a lot of range
The AoE that is I feel like it doesn't really work with vacuum and the talent that you get on 15
Bought it quite a few times. So
Just speaking from painful experience
Tour me time and I see a zero boom included you take the tour me
Have to pay aggressively into the tier one
Definitely not any more. They lost a lot of HP doing that
It hurts tormentor is no joke anymore even for a hero like Chris
I like last couple of batches you just go there with her say you take it solo, but
So far so good. Both sides 1k advantage only. The game is pretty damn chill and even when it comes to net worth
The only question remains is like how much do you believe in the doom carry?
Me personally I never really believed in doom carry. I feel like it's one of these like super tempo oriented carries right?
If we get to like minute 30 and this doom hasn't been like heavily involved being a major threat later and later
I go it's like the later the game goes when doom is the carry the less important the hero feels to me
I would agree it truly feels that way as well
Stalis smoked up with the help of damage. This is not a hero that
necessarily falls off that hard they go on to Frank right now looking to bring down listening mate does have the black hole
But have no opportunity to use it ripped to shreds by the bear
That'll open up the space for the T.O. on tower to be taken.
Or maybe another fight?
Ike?
He's in the triangle, he's got the blink, the four-stop.
Can't really find anyone right now.
South American rejects what absolutely nothing to do with him.
So they leave that area, go deep into their jungle.
They're actually gonna smoke themselves.
Niggam is still down for 17 seconds.
Ike is gonna kill off Dark Mago's crew.
That was the silver age!
Even if he dies, it's definitely worth it, but he might not even die.
They cancel out the freezing field of Elmishow, eventually they do get the grab.
Beautiful vacuum wall inside this small little alcove.
The ice shards were there, keeping them in place, allowing all this damage to come through.
Loranoff unfortunately couldn't get fully stuck in, as he was carrying this iron shell.
But ultimately, well worth it. You trade 5 for 5 and you get the Silver Red away from Dark Margo.
It's worth it. Beautiful ice shards, Vakvul by the way.
could find another way like can we borrow a fissure from something you know
just to lock them in it's nice of course Enigma was that and that allowed them to
play this fight to even be this aggressive but BKB will be up at 100 gold away on the Enigma
this is like my crucial item timing for Dyer of course he went for Midas he
delayed it but now that he does have it maybe they could take some fights
BKB doesn't merge at the same time as us as BKB though.
BKB on head, on doom as well.
BKB is up for the cause of the South American rejects, and they didn't use the black hole in that last fight.
They'll still be available if they want to use it up somewhere.
They're also dealing with an Aegis for only 45 more seconds, so if they timed this correctly,
they could catch Miles of God, and they do get a perfect scan from the South American rejects.
They saw that move coming, they get out of dodge.
Very nice blink from the CM.
They did get a little bit of map control, and a little bit of pressure with the first stages, but I feel like they need more.
That's why they're hunting right now.
Link's forward, doesn't go on to the high ground, goes in the river, won't find anything as a result.
It's just not connecting. They're way too good on the other side.
other side they're just anticipating these moves and they're just moving back
blinking the target that's up front always has a way of blinking out something
has happened in this game is that for the first time this series it's miles that
are actually ahead in the earlier portion of the game
see there's smoke crystal maiden does have one almost level 12 as well I
would expect them to smoke up now that ages has been reclaimed there's a lot of
big I mean I would expect them but at the same time they've got Midas Devourer and
Midas on Enigma maybe they're chill you know just stay on your side of the map it creeps
chillin no worries gang we'll get there eventually Enigma going for an agonist
subter is the next item here pretty cool the heroes on the other side are sort of
tanky they're not like super big tanks like dinies and tide hunters but it's a
It's a nice pull, it's a nice item on Enigma overall.
Not always a core item to go for, but okay.
We'll smoke up now.
Enigma is gonna join up with his crew, gonna go try and make something happen on the map.
Unfortunately, no vision really, like where are they gonna go?
Everybody's just off map right now for the side of the Radiant.
The only vision, the only ward that they have is on their own cliff, next to the Tier 2
towers, so they're kinda going in blind.
It would be nice if someone could just go up front and put some wards down, but they don't even have wards and supports.
No, Dark Mago at the very least would just take a watcher. He did get back his Silver Edge of course, and just need a little bit more form to finish off the SMY.
Or the Saan, at least. We'll see if he goes for the full SMY.
Back in the day, this Kunkka would be buying the Saan for the Halberd, but what can you do?
What can you do?
themselves for the damage output that they can deal because that's one of the reasons why Kaz was
dying so easily. Abyssal lasso everything was just thrown on him. This time around a little
different at least with the ULs with the Solar Crest on Hoodwing. He's also got a lot of HOS as
well. We've seen how good that item can be against Serge on the Docks here. Frank, yep,
committing for the point booster so it is indeed going to be the Agon Inceptor before he goes for
that lincoln's how good is the lincoln's in this game i mean i guess uh you don't want to get
snowballed to cancel out your black hole or get lasso right yeah it pkb plus lincoln's it's kind
of necessary if you want to have your black hole 100 go through even even with it i i feel like
there is a way for them to break it but they have all response and lasso right so
He also has himself an aphelons.
Aphelons, four staff, this wall respawn should not drop from blinkers, alright?
Am I wrong?
Oh, it's like an auto attack, yeah.
I think the old one we used to be able to, but I think this one doesn't.
Quick kill on Alnisho, yet again he is building into the DKB.
He has access to the crystal clone, have he picked up the shot?
And there's the SNY for the Doom, flying out right now towards Wittz.
They're going double SNY on the Kunkka as well as the Doom.
It's a pretty good item on these two heroes. Nice versus what they're playing as well.
Kunkka, gonna get himself lassoed back towards all of these heroes, because Bala's trying to put in the right list, but there's that Eulseptor.
Interrupting the earth so he didn't pop the VKB just yet, uses it now, goes onto Vitz, trying to fight into the doom, but the spell comes out, he needs to run away from here, we got him.
Will be able to put him in the snowball, but there's the two hero black hole, he saw where the snowball was going, prepared for it, they get the spells out,
El Misho on the back line has a huge freezing field going, Boom able to kill him and cancel it with the vacuum, but it's too late for him as Vitz brings him back with the harpoon, kills him off, it is a three for one affair.
Fantastic flight coming in from the South American regions and he went on the worst target possible
I feel like they went on the Kunkka who's naturally a tanky here on top of that the Sun is the BKB
You just the perfect bait right everything was available on the other side the black hole was actually kind of delayed a little bit
His blink was broken for the longest time. He even had the pre BKB used
So the BKB didn't really last too long while he was actually black holeing, but it was still good enough
Get to see a nice full-throated fight in that one.
I like that Vitz actually picked up those cloko flames as well.
One of these small little things, more ticks of damage,
stop playing, or bushwag, onto the ember spirit,
but he doesn't have to do many more, so Laronok can easily get out.
There is just four things about it. Some plays are impossible to get a kill on,
This was one of those. However, I feel it's on Radiant to make a move. There you go, the smoke.
When you look at what they've got on the other side, Black Hole, Doom, these are pretty damn long cooldown spells.
So every time you lose a fight, brush it off and go again.
Fortunately, everybody's left the area. Seems like South American Rejax had a similar idea of what could take place.
So they leave, but it does make space for the Roshan to be taken.
They're pretty much aware of this, right? There's only one play that you can do when
you're playing Dooms and Enigma's, and that's eventually get a refresher. Then with a refresher
you can actually win a fight and then have a black hole for Rosh.
There's another fight though, Dark Margo with BKB active, he did get lassoed. Might be
able to TP out? No. Snowball gets cancelled. Well, Dark Mark will try and survive here,
but El Misho will not go freezing field with the blink dagger. His positioning has been
excellent and now they find a doom as well on top of the Embers bird. Frostbite follows
up from El Misho. Dead, Lorna, for sure. The position 5 crystal maiden ends up carrying
the fight super hard for the rejects. Absolutely. That's a level 23 Kunkabai. 32 minutes saved.
He's filthy farmed. His rich experience is also pretty good. S&Y by the way, another fight where it pretty much makes the case for why this is still a pretty damn good item.
This is what we want to see when we're playing with Doom Carrier. I want to see this kind of tempo. Whenever it's possible, be doing something. The up in front, in the enemy's faces.
The Conqueror as well also has a Cloak of Flames. So they have double Cloak of Flames. That's sort of like having a pseudo Iron Shells for your own team.
your own team pretty much yeah the AC by the way will be the next item on wits
I'm a big enjoyer of a sewerage as well and doom but AC also absolutely
goaded item like whenever this hero was remotely viable as a position one you
could buy an AC on him and you wouldn't be wrong
they could have bought AC on Kunkka as well but he's opting for the satanic
Hit again.
ULT's under Ake, Skorfjord just wants out.
Nice little scurry up the high ground for Skorfjord, so he's chill.
And we'll also finish off basically his solo crest.
Just needs one more creep to get it.
Ake and the boys are thinking about trying to do something here.
They are being outscaled at the moment.
The 7k lead, these Midas are paying off in the long run.
being outscaled and also the impact that these heroes just naturally have
currently is higher on dire. If you are playing Black Hole versus Vacuum Wall, I
would argue Black Hole most always has higher impact.
Tormentor number 2.
He's gonna get lucky and be blessed by Gaben this time.
Shall be Loranoth. Okay.
Always nice.
Also I feel bad for Loranoth, man.
Imagine being Ember's bird in this patch having to buy your own aghanims.
Feels bad.
They're not letting him play with the Alchemist unfortunately.
Whenever the Ember is in.
He does have the Aghanim's though on the bright side right like he did complete it he's got Aghanim's
Lincoln's mage slayer Ember is in a pretty good spot the highest natural core on raiding
Well, they also just pick up the BKB on the crystal maiden
It's actually scary to me how how scary this actually is they should not worry me this much seeing this item
Look, it's not only the BKB Blink Crystal Maiden, it's the BKB Blink Crystal Maiden freezing field with Black Hole.
Oof! Well, the teamfight on Dyer is actually pretty damn scary.
And if you manage to survive that, there's a ghost ship crashing on top of your head.
And there's a lot of things.
And they stole Bushwack to make sure you don't escape.
Yeah, well a lot of circles
Level 18 enigma now with level three black hole as well agonism, of course
Now they smoke up you want to leverage all the strength conca just picked up a satanic as well
Almost four thousand HP on dark model. I just don't want them to initiate on conca again
Every time that they have done that they've lost the fight after so now. Oh
Oh, Kristallis!
The hands were in the air for Dark Margot, who was about to X him.
He manages to blink onto the high ground.
Quick fingers.
He's a professional gamer or something.
They're coming from the other side, though. Look at this, Ike.
They're caught out by the two, immediately brought down.
They're also gonna use the outer to move.
Doom thrown out by Vitz, making sure there's no stalls from him.
And El Nisho hasn't used the physical just yet.
No need for it, Kristallis though.
Couple of the backlines, rips apart the enigma.
That was so smart, he knows that he can't TP out if Enigma is alive, he kills the one hero that can bring him down.
Unfortunately, Vitz is murdering the rest of your team, it's a triple kill for the Doom.
He's absolutely massive, just too much damage as well, coming with the AC now from Vitz.
I mean, Kunke is just not killable, he can only poke him here.
Nice, nice kill, TP out from Kristallis honestly.
Enigma, I think he forgot to use BKB there, or he was greeting out with it, because he didn't use it.
It just didn't pick BKB and because of that he just falls.
Probably felt very safe after Bat died and also Doom was used on the Darkseer,
not really a lot of control, but look at the damage, like...
These players, man, if you leave them a single option to play the thing right, they will do it.
And TASK was the only one available to cancel the Black Hole.
Aegis Tarsnaar get retlaimed from Crystallis, so he doesn't have that additional safety net.
That's going for the shard next up.
Even after that fight the gold bleeds ticked up slightly to 8s.
This game is still very playable for the side of Maus but feeling increasingly more difficult.
Lornauf gonna go for an I of Skadi as his next option here.
in the gang. Looks like a shadow blade is going to be the option for him instead of going for...
well what minute did he go for the agonist midi's game? In the badrider?
Pretty late. It did come after these three items but it was a bit later than this one I feel like.
It's a decent item, like he could still go for it, opt for it eventually, right?
If he gets... it's interesting that he's going for shadow blade, just wants to stay out of vision.
You're being smoked into right now.
Four heroes off the map.
Oh, Larnov went for a rune, but the Lincolns feel protected from getting doomed, but eventually
it'll still emerge.
X-Mog's the spot, will be there as well.
Ghost ship crashes onto him.
He is going to die.
Alnisho hasn't been able to use the Frizzly Field for a while, so might as well just press
the button and show that Dark Margo secures his double kill.
It was a really good catch from Crystal Maiden as well.
they were going to member he realized that there could be some saving options
from the backlines of course blink and snowball save versus the X is always an
option. So they got onto this enigma as well as Vitz, now Christalis is beating through onto this doom.
PKB's been activated by him, needs to get out of here. Lord Lothran talks, they both
walk back, the TP attempt, will it be valid? Yes it will! Without PKB as well, it ran out.
Oh my goodness, the fascist just weren't there from the Ursa. Kunkka doesn't have that kind of
However, as he will get bashed and killed, but the big prize, the big dog, does manage to get home.
He has Satanic, but he can't really hit fast enough. You mentioned the Shadowblade on Bat.
I feel like this Enigma could use one. The way that he's playing, he's being caught out of position way too easily,
and sometimes having some Shadowblade or something like that just to still be close enough, but not envision, can come in handy.
Of course, not compromising your position and not going under cliffs where there might be wards is also a viable option.
Sounds easy. Got to make the game entertaining.
He is. He definitely is. He's got a lot of farm, but that farm doesn't really...
Does it work much when you're dead?
I'm also getting to that point in the game, which I'm always scared of when I see these
Doom carries.
The enemy carry can actually kill you during one stun, and you can't do the same back to
them.
Pistallus really ripped through Vitz, he's needed a little bit more damage, and the next
time that happens, Pistallus will also have a Silver Edge, but that's the direction that
he's going on for this Ursa.
Yeah, an item that I may be expected on the Doom, but when it comes to the carry to carry
matchup, it's kind of scary when you Doom the Ursa as well, right?
Sure, Ursa can turn and fight with the Abyssal, but if he cannot enrage, not too terrible for the Doom.
If he can get on top of him so far, they haven't really been able to isolate Crystallis.
Getting a Bloodstone coming up right now for Boom, and tandem with the Shiva's and the Pipe of Insight.
also got the prophet's pendulum making sure that he has more sustained for
himself in the fight can keep putting out those iron shells throwing out those
surges elongate the fight as long as possible
South American rejects and punched in the nose they want to hit back they
smoke up right now the last fight was started by them let's see how this one
will go. Doc Margo will show middle through the smoke. Will he complete the Daedalus or
will he just go straight up for Lincoln's? Because he's got the recipe as well on Kunkka.
I guess he already knows who's going to buy the demon edge. We'll see. But he's actually
saving the money. I think you're right. Might decide to go in a different direction. I think
he gave up on it, yeah. A smoke as well from Maus. Moving up here into the high ground
Ritz, ready to pop the smoke, he will be able to do so.
He gets out, Skullfjord might not be so lucky, but the eye shots didn't connect properly.
The wall does however, with the Abyssal Blade they get a death of Blackhole from the Enigma
catching two heroes, it's the Ursa and the Betoxia, but where was the Doom?
The bonus damage wasn't there, now the Doom finally arrives and eventually he'll be able
to get the spell off onto the Ursa, Ursa falling low, Ursa gets killed off, the Amish tries
to save him, but all he does is Doom itself.
heroes for Ursa buying back immediately. Kristallniss doesn't want to give up on this fight.
The Jaces go on, Larnoff looking towards the back, he scouts out El Mishou underneath
the Tier 2 tower. Should be able to get the kill onto this crystal maiden. She will take out right
now. Flame God, Iron Shaw, more than enough magic damage. Look who's up, look who's in the river.
It's Ursa into the pits. That's why he bought back in the first place. And strategically,
this is a really good play because yeah sure, you trade your buyback but you know,
No black hole on the other side, there's no doom.
So this rush on attempt is uncontested and it cannot be contested.
Aegis, cheese, refresher, definitely worth it to buy back and go into the pit.
I think they need refresher, like that's a pretty big item that they could get on
Dire on Enigma, but he's not going for it.
Actually, he's going for Octarene core instead.
It's a similar approach.
The difference is, currently Refresher is definitely in a worse state than it used to be, because it doesn't refresh items, so you don't have the double BKB Black Hole.
To be fair, that should have been quite a long time ago.
I'm not happy I've been playing pubs and not having late game carries with 12 seconds of unbonerability. Oh, it's been 1-1.
The double hexes insta kills by invokers as well you know
Well, what does ages until mouse?
I wonder if a on this hear me out. I'm cooking. Okay stay on this converse up an actual
Bible
Item here. What would be the first time crystal is bought it by the way. Let's make sure you can all it get off in age
Yeah. Hmm. I don't know, but this L-disc, I...
Ever since it's inception, I hated the item.
But currently, it feels like it's in a pretty decent spot.
Especially on mid lane, like Amber already has his.
Every single game when you see a Queen of Pain with the Bloodstone,
she goes eventually into the L-disc just so you can reset the fight.
I think the Crystallis wouldn't be the first time he does something a little bit up.
He's strange.
He bought it on Alchemist, I think, yesterday, by the way, so for him it's an option, if
nothing else.
For most carries it's not.
For most carries, that best you are the one defensive idol.
By two bro?
It's hard to make them buy the BKB.
He's going to be going for the Swift Blink next.
And the team was smoked up hoping to catch somebody from South American rejects out on the map
But they're playing together. Oh, hey
And I'm dying in the mid lane. It's like this was able to catch up to him somehow. How did he die? What happened?
Took the tower on me show looks like he's gonna probably die here as well. They find the vision catch him in the cheese
So support per side just trying to play the map really and getting caught shadow wait does not
Help you on that any longer. They have too much reason boom vacuum school
Go on to the high ground when he gets off with the shop shooter now getting bush racks around it by doom and dog Margo
That crit was 1500 by to win from them. It's quite a lot. He's got permanent scores stirred by the way literal doom
Bring hell on earth and see P out from
Whoa, well, it's close. I was very very close, but learn off is cool. Get up a
A massive part why they had to absolutely bail here is there was no
Doom used on boom, right? So they still had it so couldn't really fight if they may be used no one on him
Maybe there's a fight after but
No way like this
Just so how egg ended up dying was the interplay between the conker and the doom
That's now
11 1 and 5 on this do still at the top of the network shots
is about to cap out in terms of itemization though has the overwhelming
blink AC harpoon BKB are really much more for him to go and this is gonna
upgrade his doom. Can't queue up the shard as well. Would have been great if he had the shard and the Midas that would be like the uber greed.
The shard is actually pretty good I think. Maybe not as much on position 1 do but
is definitely a very viable core item I would say on an offlane doom in this last patch at least
because you can take one of the ancients with increased spell damage and AOE and you take
one of the ancients with the ravage so you have a mini ravage of your own it's not even that
meaning it's a pretty solid ravage. An average ravage.
Sounds like you're rapping bro. An average. Is that your rap name? Yeah. Just average.
Okay, so you're just gonna expire in 30 seconds. Arisho. We'll gift the free kill to Prisalis.
Just take some down in the blink of an eye
This also we have to remember he bought back in order to achieve this ages
So once it's down like a two-minute window way if he dies again
Has no way back into the game. He's already saving up though
He's got 4k gold in the bank making sure that at least for now making sure that once the ages is gone
He has a way back in
Two minutes right?
Two minutes this can be a very long time
Now this Aegis has expired.
The thing is, when you're in this kind of a game, I feel like Darkseer as a hero just naturally
falls off with every aspect, like even his level 25 talents, to me at least, don't feel
that incredible.
Like, you've got an option between 350 AoE Surge, which is... it's good.
It's alright.
It's alright.
The other one is two iron shell charges, which, if you went for the iron shell talents, it's okay as well.
It's not permanent, it's coarse dirt.
And on the other side, you have an enigma.
This is a hero that, through history of Dota, has always been the strongest thing.
It's enigma and faceless void.
Late game scenario, if you don't have the heroes against them, it's very difficult to take that up.
This game has gone on to this duration as expected these medicines has really paid off
Dooms even got to the point where he sold his might as that is sold it for a long time ago by the way
He's been he's been chilling. He's very rich, but enigma is dedicated still utilizing it as
BKB has Lincoln's fear now also wants the Octavien core and the refresher so all of them are being filled up
It lained it lained trouble could be abounding here for dog model
They don't get it with the slight change, but they do get it with the lasso. There's the big bear
He is just gone, he might have 4k HP but when you're dealing with a bear, that HP goes away extremely quickly.
It was just a beautiful play from Boom, he's the one that caught him.
He caught him from the edge of the river onto his own high ground with the vacuum.
The repositioning was absolutely insane, he couldn't BKB of course because of the lasso, because of the abyssal.
It's a pretty significant catch, if they can force maybe a buyback.
They still have to be very careful about this push, there's an enigma waiting for them.
There's still an El Nisho Crystal Maiden with the ultimate, building Agonyms but he's saving
for buyback first.
Here we go, Roshan's banner planted on the ground, TF3 Tower under siege.
We'll drop this midnight pulse.
Push back to pull the creeps away from the Roshan's banner, nicely done by Skullfuel
there.
He's committing long enough. He's staying up front.
We'll get himself back to as soon as Witz encroaches upon him.
You're kind of hugging because of this AOE surge.
It's still a pretty small AOE, you know.
You have to be around your teammates to use it,
or they have to be in a ball,
and it's scary when you're playing versus Enigma,
clumping up like that.
You know, in the real late game,
and you know it's a very high stakes matchup,
everyone has buyback.
Everyone is prepared, everybody knows that the next fight could be a 10v10 affair.
They gave us like two very chaotic games where there was a lot of mistakes, realistically, right?
Like just insane laning stages, but this last one is a bit more methodical.
Do you look how even this is? 23 to 23?
Nobody's been able to break high ground just yet, everyone has 5x.
The score of the last game was 38 to 38, I believe, at the end, right? This was also even.
Yes, it was.
Now we have the Aghanim Scepter on Crystal Maiden, let's go! Aghanim Scepter on Doom, let's go!
They smoke up, South American rejects, they're like alright guys, it's time!
I don't know what else you can wait for, Hex on Hoodwink as well, just every single hero is absolutely massive.
Although Doom did buy out for this one, so he dies quickly and very awkward, Lornaf.
Going forward, able to find Skofield, force the U-Alt onto himself.
himself? The question is, did they scout the axe blessing on the womb? Because it's a massive
game changer. Suddenly, Ember is not so free to go in and do what he's doing so far.
Rojan, unfortunately, is two minutes away. Gaben himself is saying, you're not going to have to
fight, guys. 8k gold, by the way, on Kunkka as well. You cannot go for the Aghrim Scepter, we'll see.
showing with smoke again man they really just want this ages crystal this is
like are you kidding me was literally nearly max we scored two minutes with
the fire they're searching forward okay Lauren off going forward they've got a
vacuum wall onto dog Margo forcing out the early BKB happy to just get back up
on the hill but now BKB is down for 90 seconds. BKB is down for 90 and so is the wall. A pretty
big spell that has been wasted. At this point wall becomes pretty significant because every
single illusion hurts, every single illusion might bring you something, some sort of an
aura, some sort of a buff to your team. So, there's a passive silver edge, still has buyback
available and I'm not you're asking that they scout out the doom agonist
blessing if they didn't scout out the silver edge it could also be a big
surprise in the ramp up of damage keep in mind the refresher enigma doom agonist
blessing I would say this fresher enigma is maybe the biggest item purchase that
we've had in a bit but he bought awkward he dies first makes a mistake
we came losing right what's looking for the last will get dragged back in by
Doom is dead and just gets three shots.
Hex?
Now we get the Hex Black Hole onto the Ember Spirit.
Lawrenov is in some danger.
He's not going to be able to get out.
Frank, he's trying to refresh and get the second Black Hole.
But the AOE dooms it.
It prevents the Ultsup from doing anything.
The second Black Hole emerges.
It could absolutely everybody.
Doom is just running around inhibiting everybody from miles from doing anything.
Lawrenov ends up dead.
Again, it's a dieback on the Ember.
Two minutes in the grave.
Can they rush?
The rest of his team bought back though.
Can they rush? That's the question.
Ursa is inside the pit.
But now the information has been given away.
Doom is gonna try to get back in here.
He's coming closer.
I mean, they're gonna try.
I don't think they can rush.
On radio, they cannot at least.
They have to move back after the roar.
There's no BKB on Ursa.
Man, the AOE from the Doom.
Just absolutely winning this teamfight.
Okay, pull.
Back wall onto 2.
Not too bad.
Not too bad.
He gets X-MARP to go into an open position, they force a bi-dike out onto the task, Hex onto the Ursa!
Oh no! Hex push right! Everything used!
Yamich! Trying to save him with the Drinking Buddies! The Enraged will come out from the Ursa, but he's out of HP so he has to run away from the fight.
Amishou looked for him on the high ground, could not find him.
He will live on Ursa, but forced to leave Poom behind, who gets caught and killed by the rest of the South American rejects.
Fight's not over just yet. Yamich seems able to get out.
Drinking buddies man, what a spell, what a shard to get on task, literally saving Gersa in this scenario
Plus the Silver Edge that he recently purchased of course, helping out a little bit
Does not help out in the pit of course, as they now will have the shard, the cheese, the Aegis as well
And so many buybacks on Radiant, I believe like every single hero bought back Ember, dying back too
Exactly like the Darks here
You know you were mentioning earlier how it's an enigma dream game right all these melee heroes clumped together
And what the aggadoms do miss even better?
Yep, I mean absolutely
Oh, hey the aon disc did save them for a little while in the initial black hole, but he managed to use another one
I think there was a small part of that massive bite where enigma got vacuumed away from the Ursa
Which allowed him to use another black hole?
Came in handy
lot of fight
Now buildings are about to get knocked over the demolition crew has emerged. Can I just highlight one neutral item?
Check a nigma. Nigma? Yeah
Oh, bro, please be five minutes in the game. We still got a dormant curio
Can you just give us the 16-minute mark guys go back? Yeah, just go back and farm up. I want to see the dormant curio on
on El Misho of course, Enchanter's Bobble, if he gets a nice tier 5 item, they're playing
the long con, they truly are, they're in for this, they knew what they were playing for
and what they were waiting for.
See that despite a lot of young players on the team, lots of Warcraft veterans because
they know that greed is good.
There is no spawn.
There is no spawn.
Skowfield now has a Wind Waker, which is terrifying to have to deal with.
All of a sudden, that blink lasso from Ake, I mean, he's been struggling to find impact with it already in the last couple of engagements,
but now there's no chance that the lasso ever kills anybody.
Actually, speaking of Wind Waker and speaking of fuels, surprise, no one bought it on Radiant.
Even on Darkseer, you know, like you're pretty rich, they could buy it.
They could have bought it earlier versus Konka, because it's pretty good against him, but overall, it's so good versus Black Hole.
Top tower, knocked over. They are coming for the Megas. They dropped the banner as well, to protect the double siege wagon.
The double siege wagon, Ida Long's Atowazu, this is scary. This could be the last fight you'll lose.
It has Moka up from Maus. They have to fight somehow around, because four melee heroes cannot reach the banner.
But you just can't get to it.
This is just waiting on the high ground prepared to break these smokey codes and he immediately finds the Ursa.
They need to get him out of here but they can't do it just yet.
Finally Ursa is able to leave and that's because there's a black hole under three heroes right behind him.
Two of them down for the count, the third will join them.
Law and Law did what he could to interrupt it.
But he literally can't do anything.
Stofiel finds him with the Eulceptor, catches him with the pushback.
They also go to Kristalln as he came and the Eglise eliminated El Misho.
But that's the most that he can do, the extent of his prowess.
Doom gets me fresh applied again to the Empire Spirit.
GG is called.
Maus are out.
The South American rejects have done it.
They have earned the spot at the playoffs.
Escedora, man.
Could host the Maus for doing everything that they could in these last three games.
A lot of nice comebacks, but Escedora, Indian coming out too strong.
Like they played some skirmish-oriented lineups in game number one and game number two game number three
They gave us a treat. This was like
Big brother comes in gives you a chocolate. They treated us. This was sweet. This was a treat indeed
Congratulations to the South American rejects now. We're gonna be treated to the analysis of the panel to break it all down
Thank you very much and the enthusiasm you just saw vintage entered the booth. That's
You'd be one so loud, but like you might have heard it at like 50% volume 30%
We had the full thing and you love to see it right the passion from vintage as he walks towards his players, right?
They secure themselves the players they get the full reset they get to go into the double elimination bracket a hard-fought best of three
But yeah, I I think I did also a question. I think South American rejects
You know disciplined to be able to win with this much team fight sometimes these drafts can fall flat to the pressure
Master apply but they did it. They just yeah, they handled mouse really nicely
Yeah, with good black holes as well
I think the the series we we didn't really have any of the games where where Frank was really the MVP
But I think he makes a good case for himself. Oh, absolutely like he was
Nailing it from the start pretty much up until the end showing that the refresher is still even good
BKB black hole then refresh
You don't get the second BKB, but the black hole is still going to land and also their handle Midas is it did pay off
You had doom with hand of Midas getting extra bit of a gold from that from his devourer and then you also had
An Igma Frank going for hand of Midas a double hand of Midas knowing that mouse with the team that they do have
They don't have enough like power damage
It's Ember spirit Ursa one thing that these two heroes struggle with is finishing the games and playing into this overwhelming team fight
Yeah, I mean, it's also just like, I think for Witt's right, when he's playing at Doom,
like he's played so many heroes in the tournament so far, competitively, again, very short career
for Witt's, very young player, kind of new to the South American carry kind of scene,
but only two games played. And I felt like he had the Doom carry confidence.
But there wasn't really moments where I was like, oh, that's a bad dude. Oh, he's chasing a fight.
Like he ended the game like 14-1-14. And he just felt like he knew what his hero had to do.
And again, two competitive games played on the hero, his coach and drafter is just throwing
him new hero after new hero, and you've got to give him a lot of credit. He is just making it work.
He is. He is. He's just beautiful to watch. I don't know. I just got to say, it makes me happy
that South America did go through. I thought we might be ending up without having Gamer Legion
we did earlier. They were kind of close, but again, not getting into that top eight. I was a little
afraid that it might the same thing might happen for South American Regis. It didn't which does
make me happy because this team they it seems like they have a bit of a different approach with
the heroes and everything and this is the type of stuff that I want to see coming further into the
tournament especially now with the double the limb it's going to give them two chances as well so
a lot of things that they have this like still improve especially post 30 minutes but like the
first 30 minutes they look godly. I mean they just have like tenacity in their play and we need to
also, you know, except the fact that the two two teams that today, right,
heroic, they didn't have to play against South American rejects, right?
Normally in these moments, it's going to be like South America versus South
America. There'll be some China versus China, but we've actually kind of
evaded that a little bit today with the, you know, the Velahia schedule.
So we do get to see two South American teams making it through to the playoffs.
And for South American rejects, this is their best result yet.
And they were with this roster also in Birmingham. They came 12th here.
So instant very noticeable growth that we got the MVP for the crystal maiden don't mind the 11 deaths
It's the frostbite on the emberspear all they made laurenov's
World health. Yeah, he made them think about having the first bkb and there's like these little moments as well
It's like he's hugging the tree line blinking to the high ground throwing out an old like he just didn't care
He goes in what a giga chat build is all like he had like boots of travel blank shadow blade and agonim scepter
and the new Enchantress Michael
Blu Blay or whatever it is called,
like the new handpan.
So he was prepping for the late game
and he definitely delivered.
Yeah, it was a great showing,
I think for South American rejects,
as had maybe there is definitely something to work on in,
you know, in the mid game of series,
but hey, from a viewer perspective,
I'm not opposed to it.
This is very fun to watch.
No, especially if they can craft the leading phase
to be just strong.
I don't mind if they make the mistakes in the mid-game, because they've created this insurance for them.
They can make it. If they have weak lanes and they make mistakes, sure, that's not too good.
But what they did today, yeah, you can have the freedoms of being this aggressive team.
Like, to be an aggressive team, you're not always going to play perfect.
Like, no aggressive team other than maybe like a gaming era, a gaming ideas era,
was truly like perfect from zero to end.
Yeah, I think also it's impressive that they've done it with their own heroes.
We said that at the very start, especially after game one,
They are the ones playing the Kunkos, they are the ones playing the Crystal Maidens, and they're making it work.
Very strong identity when it comes down to playing the certain heroes as well.
Schofield now in Hoodwing, but he's playing Clockworks, he's playing all of these annoying stuff still being very...
And this is what he does, this is his identity as well.
And I kind of feel that this team, depending who they're going to be paired up against, this team can do really well.
All they have to do is get that extra bit of a boost.
I think this is a great victory for them,
as we could see, like their coach, how happy they were,
but they got to keep this momentum going.
Yeah, and speaking of momentum,
we're going to see if that momentum is still there.
As we have an interview with Witt,
it's also at some variable help us with the translation.
First of all, congratulations with great performance.
And my first question would be,
you guys are playing so many officials at the moment.
Of course, there's best of three here,
and then there's two best of threes still tonight.
What kind of impact does that have on you and your team?
You are saying that you are having a lot of official games now. What impact does that have? Because we are playing Division 2. What are your thoughts on that?
It's a bit tiring, because yesterday we played 8 games and we ended up at 12, and we didn't even finish, we had to go to sleep, and we didn't even wake up, and it was time to go out, so it can be a bit of an effect.
And right up next, we have to wake up and come to the studio to play.
So it's a little bit exciting.
It is for sure an absolute grind.
And then with all the games you've played here, you are the most versatile carry
of this event, playing the most different heroes, with also pulling out the doom, of course, in the most recent game.
Is there any carry hero at the moment that you prefer to get in the games?
He says he wants to be a very versatile carry, so far, with the Doom and all the other picks, but what is the carry that you prefer to play more?
I don't have any preference for any carry, more than everything that comes out in the draft, if I see that it's something good.
It's like I feel like with all the players that I can play and with those that I have practiced at that moment, I don't have any rankers.
He just filled the draft and if a pick is good before the match he will pick it.
When you say you're gonna pick it, is it only gonna be your call or what's the dynamic between you and your coach?
No, it's not me and the coach.
It's both of them. If they feel it's a good match for a certain hero, they will pick it.
But it's from him and from another coach.
Yeah, I've been very impressed by the way you've been carrying the games.
For you, what is the most difficult thing in the current patch to do as a carry player?
For you, what is the most difficult thing?
I don't know what to say, but maybe I should try to connect to the fights, since most of the players win in which they have more numbers, I don't know if you can see what I'm trying to do, but you can find the balance between connecting to the fights and at the same time forming, so as not to get stuck.
at the same time. So you have to be very focused on the game. So that's it. Thank you. All right,
congratulations on the win. This is the first time you playing with this roster is making it to a
playoffs at a tier one event. What do you think has been the biggest improvement since you know
Birmingham and Dream League and the last couple of events that you played?
I think we had a lot of games to close in the previous tournament, which was the Virmica.
I think we could have been more focused on that tournament.
The only thing that could have been my mistake was that every time I was evolving,
and my goals were more safe, like I lost, but I used those defeats.
He said we are a team, we were very confident to qualify to the next stage in both Birmingham
and Greenleague, but he's been a little bit overwhelming by himself.
He said he could improve a lot more.
He did like a run decisions, but now he's still learning, so that's basically it.
You're learning very fast and becoming a very good carry player, so please continue doing it.
I look forward to what your ceiling is.
Yeah, very enjoyable to watch. We know you have a long day ahead of you still with two series plays,
so good luck in those and we'll see you tomorrow in the playoffs. Congratulations again.
Thank you guys. Thank you guys and beer also for the translation. I will say this guy 18 years old
I feel like still very much, you know learning stuff and
Being humble about it. That's super promising for me. Yeah, if you like
Just made a new team and then you have like this new kid on the block
Who seems very calm calm like a very
High skilled
you get this type of a guy on the team, it feels really good.
Like you're setting up yourself for a great success.
Yeah, I mean, there's some South American carry jumps I can make here.
Wits is doing everything that you're meant to be doing as a carry player.
I think it's very respectable.
And if you can keep this maturity to him,
he is going to be like the next kind of Thai long from the region
who we are constantly hyping.
What can you do? What can you do?
So yeah, just keep it up and amazing.
Yeah, we already know that the carry player that he looks up to most and he wants to beat is Yatoro.
And if he wants to have a chance to do that, Yatoro has to also make it to the playoffs, and they are not locked in yet.
They are playing up next, so we're going to have a short break, but then it's time for Extreme Gaming versus Team Spirit.
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of the group stages, only one slot remains in the playoffs, Extreme Gaming and Team Spirit
they'll fight for it in the best of three, it is, I mean, come on, we can call this a
Now classical already, can we not?
Yeah, these two teams have met like many times
and it's always hype, you know,
it was that this whole matchup was so hype
because it was always, you know,
Yattrow against Amme and everything,
but if you look at the results in 2026,
they've been pretty even, I would say,
like at Birmingham, they also managed to beat each other
as well, Valakia season seven, two to one,
and then Dream League Season 28, it was, if I remember correctly, that was like really
in favour for them. Like, it wasn't really close series by any means, but it can happen,
but always hyped up to see this one.
Super hyped up to see these suits. Do you have straight up a favourite?
Ooh, that's a tough question, but do you want like the analytical answer or like me
actually showing bias for one sort of panel?
Oh, but both.
both. So the bias I would prefer XG going through, you know, Chinese team going to playoffs.
I think the donor they've played is just more enjoyable to watch. There's more volatility
in spirit, not really been impressed with some of that drafts. I think they're just,
they're losing their aura. The more that I watch them, the more I'm just going, the
spirit of the past, it feels to be fading and then it'll come back for a series that
will disappear again. It's like, I'm just not excited as much to watch spirit.
That's fair. We can be excited about, about extreme gaming for sure, as we can also show
you guys what they have been doing because they've been, of course, playing a lot of Dota 2. Here's some of their previews.
Yeah, that's a lot of drafts on screen right now, but let me just try to simplify this for you.
Basically, if Team Extreme Gaming, if they have the last pick and they are picking
last hero for Ame, their chances of winning their game are going to be through the roof.
These are pretty much the only games that they've managed to win. These are the last 12 drafts that
that they played and because he wants to be the kind of carry he wants to see all five
heroes that he's going to be playing against he wants to have the better match up and especially
in this one I think if we go to probably three games we're going to be seeing his pick save
for the last one all I care about from this graphic is the fact that the carries was like
terror blades morphing yeah it's the late it's the late games like the classics from
army right and especially when your Torah sees this he's like you know what I'll go toe for
you know, I'm not going to
be able to do that. I'm not
going to be able to do that.
If you go to bed, I'll raise
you my more fling. You know,
you just get this like epic
jaw. So it feels like at least
from the way that armies
drafting that he might invite
your tour to this classic carry
battle that we have seen these
two teams always go for. Yeah,
I don't think anybody would be
opposed to seeing something
like that. These two teams do
make firework happen if
anybody remembers the first
of boring finals everything 3031 won like straightforward apart from one
finals and that was between these two teams in that wallachia it went to game
five and every single one of those games was absolutely epic I'm just hoping
that we catch still a little bit of that glory into this best of three although
there's a little bit of anti-fun on the horizon a little bit of anti anti-casting
I think he's really good at
the game. He's got a lot of
spells, some might say to
you, girls. Yeah, that's the
man kind of the top of your
screen there. Um Panto. He's
the one doing it. Of course,
he paid three silencer games.
Uh the other day, and I think
he showcased why having a
reliable enchantment of
greedy is really good. I think
science utilizes it the most
because see here. Sure. The
first game he loses getting
mana boots for stuff at 25
minutes. Not too good. But
when you look towards when
But because he has the Greedian charm in every single time, he will lock in that refresher orb.
So if you are playing against a Panto silencer, the reason why it is so good is because you're getting double global at the game deciding moments.
The second, the third Roshan is the big moment.
I think also the reason why silencer is so good right now in meta is Phoenix is one of the most contested heroes.
So he was always good against him. He's a team fighter.
And most importantly, there is no double BKB.
And most of the time, you don't have that second way of dispelling things.
Like, sure, some heroes are going to be getting like Manta style and BKB,
but there are not as, I would say, popular as they were in the previous patch.
So the next global silence, you're going to get, you have to suffer through it.
You need like layers of communication on your team, right?
You're going to need to have the loader off-frame, exactly.
and then it just gets unnecessarily messy that a five position can't do this.
Well, the traditional carry, not just players, but heroes, they do like the BKB mantas, you know,
potentially these two. Yeah, yeah, the more planes, the TBs that he mentioned, they're definitely
going to be up there at Lunez as well. Yeah, this is a traditional matchup. We have to highlight it.
Yeah, I got to point out some of the stats for both of them. And you can see the games
that they played, Yachtler played more, pretty much the same win rate for both of them,
Which is pretty insane to think about considering that this is like over 1500 games for Yatra and almost 1500 games for Amme
They played 80 games against each other and
58% of the time Amme was victorious
So in favor of extreme gaming if you look at the carry to carry matchups
Specifically is their win rate really that close. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, look, I'll show me the stats
are you sure?
Yeah, I had double P.K.
Check it, you get a stats lab to check it.
I know he did, yeah, they are just
the same carry player
with just a different amount of ages.
Yeah, and a different hero for every game they play against each other.
Lone Druid is the first
probably carry to come out, I don't think.
I'm seeing Team Spirit pull out the support Lone Druid,
but you know, never say never.
They choose Lone Druid over Alchemist
that is also still in the pool.
Yeah, of course Lone Druid through the carry role
It is just a hero that you have to respect. It's the axe mule of timing and the bear is always having that to play right?
It's silver edged it support pick offs even if the bear isn't fighting with you
It's gonna push like probably two waves by itself. We only in one fighting when the other it's just so much
Matt pressure what's for heroes non? I can't wait for the next patch
I could be okay if the patch drops nurse loan druid and we call it quits
Yeah
Couple of line like bear there's so many things that seems to be OP with the siro right where would you okay?
What's your like if you have one line of an afterlender?
It isn't the fact that the bear can do everything for free with the exit the simplicity of respawning
It's the exit as is the issue like being able to kill tight hunter on the other side of the map with the
like no like no real disadvantage to you doing it like this like some of the
most tanky heroes in Dota that we're talking about he breaks him and just
kills him so how about the eggs it allows the bear to go off on its own but
all stats are halved I was thinking the further away he is from the hero the
less damage he deals every single time his bear dies for example like the
cooldown goes up by five seconds there are ways to balancing this hero but is
right now it just feels so strong. I like the cool down approach that sounds quite fun especially
when you get so carried away with just you know I'll feed a bear or two or just make the gold of
the bear even more like two fifties a lot of gold what have you made? 500 golds dad? So protect the
presents oh that's just so scary to the famed amelies. All right so now that longer route is
let through and picked on the one side we already have the pango and the beastmaster removed what
is a good way to deal with the bear because you're going, you know, the laundry is going to get his
eyes at some point. There must be a way to deal with it. No, for sure. I have thoroughly enjoyed
teams that try to shut down the bear in the landing phase. Like don't break off lane. You jump past
the bear because you normally play with items on the main hero, not the bear early on. And then
you kind of swap once you get your items. So just killing the laundry, take his tower, have supports
that want to like just poke into the map with a smoke. I think it's a really nice way. If you get
get the axe meal at a too late of a timing, you've probably already grouped up and you've
kind of dealt with what he can do.
Yeah, I've seen different approaches. I mean, there are different ideas. You have to try
to find something. Otherwise, there is always going to be one band that you need to do unless
you have a first pick. If you're not alone with a team as well, which you definitely
need to be in this meta. But I like the minus armor approach that we've seen from like Bangos,
Slardars, Kez as well, where you just kill the bear like relatively easy and then you
deal with the rest.
I really wouldn't want to see Armey play a high cooldown carry
Because you will get punished by the bear just like oh, we finally killed it
He respawns and let's say like Armey's now got like a meta on cooldown or a chrono on cooldown something like this
Like it could be a bit too easy to exploit Armey had a very interesting pick
Yesterday when he was playing phantom assassin against alchemist
This is the hero that can kind of keep up with the farm
He was playing faceless void as well in that second game against feature gaming
So you said no long cooldowns like phantom assassin is no cooldown hero whatsoever
Not sure about like the matchup in general because this hero builds into silver edge
It builds into MKB naturally if necessary builds into me owner, which goes through evasion the procs
They thought a long time about this one
Yeah, I mean it also feel like the XG
Way of draft the right like double pick the support. They are just good laners
You know exactly what they're gonna do from spirit. There's no like oh that's flexing this that's nice
There's two honest supports, and then you get your cause to shine by getting the counter pick
You say they won't flex but is there any way they could work an alchemist into their draft
You thought for who sorry for spirits. Yeah, sure. They can yeah, I was doing actually not flexing
Okay, how are they gonna? How are they gonna fit an alchemist into their draft? I
Do we need to I don't know if you say that how would they because they would need to flex if spirit gets
Like you can't ignore alchemist the whole draft. We potentially can. I think some of the
teams that pride themselves on drafting can often
Let go of the the matter a bit more. Yeah, I mean I didn't play the hero if we talk about the playstyle
I'm not sure I'm a is that type of a player that wants to have
Metworth being in the middle of the pack. Yeah, just farming
somebody else
Yeah, he played out to give himself the axe and then he'd be like, yes.
Yeah, but the good sounds are quick.
This is why we highlighted the hero.
It does allow you to have something good.
You have that team fight.
You have ways of dealing with the Phoenix.
The hero that just insane teamfighter, it gives you pretty much everything.
And this is another classic support coming out from spirit.
It's a strong laner, especially with the changes to having three daggers.
Yeah, no, it's a very good laner.
My fear though with silencer is just it doesn't open up for zoo heroes, really strong offlaners.
Spirit did just, oh, destroy, they beat Lycan twice.
When they picked silencer, Navi did respond with the Lycan in the hope to beat the silencer this way.
It didn't work out for them.
But when I see this hero in lane, if you have axe, beastmaster, Lycan, just really potent heroes,
you are going to feel the lack of laning impact that a silencer brings.
Instead they're not going to try and like win the lane for aggression, but more just you know what my tide will free from
Solid strategy, yeah, and I'm most likely nothing to say we'll pick his hero here
To answer the class is already mentioned. I'll just give the last bit
Yeah, just give army what he wants in the end, but we've seen this matchup multiple times
This is something that it was on the other way where team spirit where they were actually
playing the Tidehunter and they got demolished. It was Tidehunter plus
Rubik playing against Venomanser plus Lone Druid and they were on the receiving
end. They fed six or seven kills in seven or eight minutes in that series
which was pretty nasty to think about and they still managed to do push it to
40 minutes which was still pretty impressive. We've got to address Batyuk as
a player who was like 0-6 on Tide but still had like massive impact in that
game. I would say that he's not on collapse level because this is almost impossible to reach for
any offlaner in the world but he's fitting in nicely I would say. He had some good performances.
Yeah I think that looks the type of lad where you kind of want to give him the draft to be able
to show his skill. I think on the back foot we're not seeing him play like the comeback
style of Dota and of course that's more pressure on spirit to ensure that he feels comfortable
whilst being able to stand in. You mentioned Lycan as a pick for extreme gaming. I think
Carrie tiny does the same job like he's the same type of a hero that wants to just make supports life miserable
Once you pick up the shadow blade content cut to the back lines try to kill this silencer kill this grim stroke. Oh, sorry
ringmaster as well because they're
Very easy heroes to be killed and you also have a backup coming up from your tight hunter and then you can take a fight
maybe try to force
potentially a
Global silence or potentially, you know get a buyback on one of the supports. Yeah, I mean spirit
They they have just nice map play, right? It's as you're looking for the pick-offs and doing it
So it's always protect you
Yeah
And they have the break from the primal the silver inch from the learner
They're so simple for them to kill the time that when you look at excuse, I'm like, okay title protect us stand next to him
Spirit very easily can break that front. I don't go. Well, okay now what do you do, right?
Like we've got through it. So I am looking at XG just respecting what's very can do in that
Of course the the mid laner on last pick or carry again Tiny is getting flexed to the very end
But would you prefer prime would be little offline here for spirit?
It is one and five in this tournament with zero wins from the offline by the way the one win was a mid
Yeah, it makes the hero like difficult to play in the off lane
It's not a traditional off laner in a sense where he's like laning you have a kill threat a lot of the times the hero just
You have if this is carry tiny you have stun so very difficult for him to land his spells
They go on cooldown relatively longer cooldowns you have mana issues especially if you try to go for a kill
You don't have mana for the second round of spells
So what you play for is the stacks try to creep skip as well drag the creep wave and then pick up like 11 12-minute blink dagger
You've seen also a bit of a different build going for wraps from the off lane to try to be more tanky if you have a mid laner who can start a fight
also regards to draft I don't think I've only cut like one spirit series but
Lala also know what the paper is next to Milan I think in previous 12 it's at least
it was Panto plus Milan doing it so it has been a shift of authority in the
draft I think it might he might be holding the paper because paper beats
to rock so he wants to beat tiny in the mid lane makes sense how many papers does
he need he just needs one to wrap around them how does that even work before
level 6 before Tiny's too big. I don't know, I think camera man needs to show it. They're
sitting very close to each other. No it's like older cosplay right now. That's smarter
version. Yeah as I said you put it in the dump. So far it has been extreme banning our
mid laners so they are kind of expecting this primal to go to the off lane. During the mid
There's a bunch still in the pool. All the spirits are of course removed with Puck there as well
So which ones are left in? There's a lot of mids actually removed. Timber's south gets picked up. Maybe that primal will go mid
Maybe the timber will go mid. Both technically can go to both lanes
I'd at least assume timber to off-lane primal to mid based on what we've seen in the tournament
But depending on where actually you go, okay, I think both are
Very happy to play both lanes
And now it's more on do they want time to be carry with silver edge and play map and nothing to say
Finds a new hero that can play into type Timber all the primal
I mean nothing to say is the one giving a final four as his here is probably pickings that take
That's some spiceiness the nothing to say tinker comes up
But that is the first pick of the tournament
What makes this game the tinker game because that we that was one of the heroes that one of the players that was the most
nerfed hero. I need to load up. He's got a turret! I have 30 bullet points of
changes. Tell me about the turret! Okay, so first of all, turret with the 20
talent actually does decent damage, right? You need to respect it. When you take
their talent on the right hand side, deploy those turrets, they're just
chunking away at you with some pretty decent demarge you when you jump in. But
again, that's way down the line. Just want to throw that out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let's rewind a bit. It's a bit of a greedy draft from Extreme Gaming. When
you think about it thinker not like the most active hero you have tight hunter he wants to park himself in the lane get some farm
Carry tiny as well. He doesn't really want to join until he gets his echo saber shadow blade or a blink dagger
Probably gonna be shadow blade in this one. So it takes a little bit of time
So I'm wondering who is ex Noah and FY are gonna be playing with sometimes the game can like be very slow
But you can't find too many openings. I don't think they're gonna play with I think they're just gonna sit back and farm
Tidal go Ags tiny of course will go for his silver edge and go for some army from the distance
Everything is just puppy from the distance and we've been praising laundry on this map play breaking you only play on the bear
I mean tinker you still have laser you can follow if bears shows you just TP in laser
Okay bears not doing anything anymore. Yeah, you have to buy BKB. It's really annoying
So I can see at least for the tinker versus under the matchup
It's gonna be good. It's just more like the big scope of the game like does tinker still have these explosive timings
I mean, this is the best tinker player in the world
So we're just gonna know exactly if it's good or bad
Oh, let's hear some more opinions on it snare and lizard you get to cast first tinker with event on if you thought that
I'm super hyped not just any tinker, but like TGF said, it's the nothing to say tinker super exciting
But at the same time my heart is broken. Oh when this matchup of army vs. Yatoro started game 5 ti army lost with tiny bruh
I don't know what's gonna happen now. So does he have to relive it again or what's happening?
and he's really lived this army so many times, so many times his army lost to your Toro in elimination games
so as much as I'm excited for the nothing to say Tinker, the regular against China is not good
Like happy that he has a chance to redeem and that his confidence is not broken, he's still there
Shiva, five years of Hopium have taken away all kinds of situations, all kind of confidence that this could be turned around
so I don't know, I don't know, you have more hope bro?
I believe in you Tinker
Okay, well we're gonna find out how this game is gonna play itself out, let's head over into it
Thank you very much, Heaver. Game 1, a matchup, a rivalry, five years in the making, Liz.
Give me some hope. Talk to me, man. I'm despondent right now, you know. My heart is black.
I am in a very despairing place. Help me, bro.
I have faith in the Tinker. I feel like on one side you have a team that is playing the
Metastrat, the Lone Druid strat, the strat that takes some time, right? Like he has to
This is a non-hero for quite some time, the laning stage however is really good.
Yatoro laundry, let's see what he can do because we've seen ghosts in this very similar lane,
playing into a tight hunter.
Those butt-yoke tight hunter, right?
When he died six, seven times in a row, I didn't know those numbers.
But yeah, he died quite a few times to a laundry.
It's a hard lane for Tide.
Yeah, let's see if XXX is able to do anything special on that side of the map.
But obviously, let's keep the real focus of our attention, should be on this Tinker.
Went for the first point into the player charats.
Talk to me about this. Have you seen this in your pubs?
I have. I actually have. There's a couple of Tinker specialists already starting to spam this hero.
The first couple of days of the patch, everyone thought this hero was absolutely nerfed, got it dead.
But I feel like we're just back to the OG thinker.
You know the one that kills you with blink hex and just bams you out constantly?
More or less the deploy turrets, that's how they use them, again the Warp Fayer as well.
You're just constantly rooted, constantly in this position, you can't blink out, you can't get away.
And I think that's the idea, against the Druid at least, against the Bear, you have this key convenience, right?
Like you can TP from one lane to another, defend constantly and be a part of teamfights.
Okay.
We'll see if the recipe here from Jawaite is going to allow them to win.
Of course he's going to be laning up against us, Primal Geese.
I imagine that he should still get his farm, but I won't really see how he completely zones
out Lall either.
I feel like the mid lane between these two is more or less a stable lane for both heroes.
The sidelines, however, for me at least, can go really bad real fast.
XG, top lane, tighthunter into laundry, not too easy, bot lane, Phoenix, Tiny into Timber
and Silencer also feels pretty difficult for the Phoenix and Tiny.
When we saw Phoenix really struggling the other day, right, when playing into a silencer,
died a couple times in the lane, gave away quite a lot of intelligence, and it's also
versus Timber, so now it's not only the silencer.
But at least Sylas is right now a big player on Blades, so maybe something that you can
abuse with the Fire Spirits.
Also heard yesterday the conversation from Reha about how the laning phase of the Simba
Soul not nearly as strong as it used to be.
It depends on what you're playing against.
It's not as strong, but it truly depends on what kind of heroes you're playing against.
If you're playing versus some universal heroes, strength heroes, bulky boys that you can
And, uh, just to stress, actually the druid falls first.
Okay, FY, Master found a good bushlock there.
Mm-hmm.
Well, they get the druid down.
Nicely done by XXX.
This is definitely an awesome way to start the lane.
He's already doing well in the CS department.
Now has the bonus gold.
He can ferry in some boots.
Quite the opposite of what happened last time in this almost exact lane.
The hero-to-hero matchup when it comes to cores, of course, is important, but what supports
are bringing to the table is just as big and hoodwink pretty difficult for the
bear to deal with because this early on you're always next to your bear so
acorn shot bounces bushwhack as well can connect on both heroes
hero bear and the hero to it. We'll take some harass now and
Pailman also will come through just want to be able to secure this Lotus. How many
games the Zetoro have a lot of it by the way. Let me go Jack. Hit me with some stats. I got you.
Big Yatoro double TI champion. Let's see let's see let's see how many do you think he has actually?
Five. Five. All time right? All time. He has two all time. I mean I was being generous.
I cannot, when he came into the scene, he was this like prodigy carry player that played I believe on the first TI if you remember he played the biggest amount of heroes as well, the highest amount like 11 carries or something like that but I can't really recall him playing longer or whatever so let's see.
It's got a quick pause right now, just making sure that the microphone issues are solved.
On the other side, Ami, like you said, is just going to be in search for that echo in the
Silver Edge.
But Silver Edge in particular feels really good in this game, into the Primal, into the
Timbersaw.
Feels quite nice.
It's the build, right?
If you're buying BKB on Tiny before Silver Edge and the Harpoon, I feel like you're a
bit sad already.
Silver edge harpoon it's a kind of a build that you build in pups hmm and
builds are usually the most fun and they're the builds that activates your
hero the highest because if you if you get the silver edge and harpoon you're
just hunting them out you're just getting pick offs you're having fun
pkb not fun never fun to buy fun yeah speaking of having fun what's exercise
going to put in this game because most high-rancer that we see opt for like
the aura route or they build aggs. We only see like one game where somebody went straight
blink dagger. Yep, she's clearing up the Vlad's right now. I like it. Vlad's wraps agonies
to me sounds like a decent choice. In this kind of a game getting a Lotus is also really
good. You're playing versus silencer and primal beast so some sort of a dispel will be necessary
in most cores. I know I was memeing about the VKB's but it's a pretty important item
for most of the this game
well
we'll just charge to get the water room oh nothing to say tonight it
nicely done by the Tinker
sadly for him FY
took the top water room so he will not have his bottom refilled
he's still chilling doing very well in the CS department he's almost doubling up the CS of
Lara at the moment
If you want to CS, in this kind of lane as a primal, you have to use Trample, because you're just constantly spammed, right?
Marsh of the Machines, the deploy turrets, actually playing without laser on the tinker.
Yeah, you just put a third point into the match.
How many stacks? Do you have some stacks?
They even blocked, right? Like that's one thing that they did.
Oh, got to play.
They're going onto Yotaro, they even bring in Xnova, they want to try and get the kill on the loan druid.
Yatoro will get saved for a little bit with the escape back, but XXX is happy to tank the Tier 1 Tower Shot.
He will find the kill.
They do bring down Xnova though, with the bear on the other side just before he goes down.
So it's a 1-1 trade.
He gets the kill as well. He gets the kill, so he got the kill.
It's kind of nice for the launch rate, you know.
Not great that you're dying.
Extreme gaming absolutely recognizing what the weakest point of the game is for the launch rate.
that's pre-level 5, the laning stage, he can't get sometimes abused quite a lot
I'm gonna try and get a kill back onto FY to justify this earlier death but
unfortunately he managed to dodge the impalement odds, no slow will apply to
him so he just carries away the safety
this is a game actually where I wouldn't mind him going to the fusel on
If it starts a bit better than even more so, but the fusel in this kind of a game, just
for an eventual disperser as well, could be pretty good bit.
Nothing to say, got bounced onto the high ground away from Panto, he will still probably
die here.
Larl with the trample able to bring him down, FY's bushwack missed onto Larl, but he immediately
gets the counter.
The march actually takes him out on Larl, he nonetheless ends up dead, FY hoping to punish
Panto as well.
Now it's a 2v1 affair as Rue has shown up, forcing him to use the pushback and get away from this engagement.
Oh, he didn't want to continue.
Okay, a corn shot between the two. Wow, that's a lot of damage!
The C-Dragon threw the final shot towards Rue, but he did have a fairy fire, it'll keep him alive.
That's a lot of damage.
A lot of damage.
How's the south though, so he'll be chilling.
Most Twizzlers, by the way, did move away from the standard build where you at least take one point of scurry.
Everyone is just reading the hell out now with maxed out acre shot and push back as soon as possible
By the way the kill from Laurel on tinker very high level because he continued trampling
He saw that the tinker was positioned himself to be pushed on the high ground
So who he continued the trample on the the onslaught that is the high ground
to follow through
What he was doing in that moment
Down bottom, Amei also been getting the better of the CS here against Badjuk.
To be fair, not really Badjuk's fault, he has been left alone for the most part.
He has been. There are some lanes, most lanes in most patches. When you leave the timber stall alone,
he should be able to zone the hero out.
Tiny was historically one of those heroes that you can actually zone.
But they have done a really good job at cutting all the trees around the timber.
Like that's one thing that they've really paid attention to.
You see these trees here?
Like it's not a timber only cutting them, it's been them just constantly using the quelling blade and stuff.
Oh, push wreck, onto lava.
This could be a dangerous position.
The acorn shot does the damage.
Gush will follow through.
But no space for the ravage, unfortunately.
And Rue with the team, the beast, will create the opening for Lall to escape.
Targets coming through, we'll get caught with the acorn smash, gosh stop as well, okay so
we might not kill Law, but we're gonna be coming to get something, not going home empty-handed.
They just rotated too many heroes for nothing to happen in the end, especially because Primal
Bees did snatch a couple of those last hits on the camp, stealing stacks.
coming. He is going to have the first delivery of his components for the Ekko Saber that Ogre
acts as a Riving, make him a little bit tankier as well in case Team Spirit do decide to go
on him as they have rotated both of their supports down bottom.
The teamfight from XG is pretty solid once the levels are up. Level 5 so far. On XLOWA
not quite there yet.
So, I don't have the easiest time dealing with the Aegon T-Spirit.
They actually do.
You know why? Our silencer? All that talks.
Okay, I have the launch onto budget. Get safe from now.
It's not gonna be a life-thrilling escape act, Panto.
With the spells out onto Ex-Nova trying to bring down this Phoenix.
Lawl is making a rotation as well, and with the ult slot, he's able to find him.
And on the back edge, they did manage to bring down FY as well.
Two supports for the price of nothing.
Two for zero.
Tiny is still around at least, so they didn't zone him out, but they have a good ward.
They know what he's doing and maybe they can set up another kind of a push, we'll see.
The bear now counts.
That's why.
Usually I would say it's terrible, especially if the druid isn't playing the game anymore at all.
But the bear counts, his hits do connect on the ekko.
You just fire spirit the bear, no problem.
No problem. How hard could it be?
The problem is the sandwich drawer from across the map.
How hard could it be? That's the professional game of the week.
Of course, of course, of course. I'm just saying, it's a pretty good hero when it comes to playing against Jag.
You have a free baseball across the map with the shard, and on top of that you naturally build into the only airsoft.
The attack speed is just absolutely insane from the bear.
of the bear.
Watch the machines now, cleaning up some stacks for the sinker.
Let's go into the eggs right after he picks up his blink dagger.
And this blink is pretty much finished, just like 10 gold away.
You got to... just as you're doing bear things, at some point once you start to get these items,
you will see them move into the jungle.
We have seen some teams deal with this lone druid by playing so hyper aggressive as you take the tower early, and then you force them to jungle in awful and inefficient areas as early on as possible.
They're trying to do that right now, by the way. They keep the ticker in, but okay, he's out, never mind. They're thinking about it at least.
Titehunter by the way also opted to go for a maidslayer instead but then Army in trouble.
Last word is there with the Arcane Curse, Batjuk wants to chase him underneath the tower.
It's falling very low but he still has a very healthy stick so he mocks it but now Lars
gonna show up, throws out the onslaught, global silencer also arrived, Paul Barise is gonna
be there, Army will die, rabbit will emerge from XXX as soon as he arrives so Lars is
not gonna make it out of here himself.
Batjuk trying to run, so is Panzermann, and they're gonna try to focus Panzermann, nice dodge on the shop shooter.
He'll be able to get out safely, and Batjuk should be good too.
They're a pretty decent trade.
For team spirit, I would say they lose their mid, but they do get the tiny, as a matter of time, like they needed to shut him down at least a little bit.
They still untowered on bottom is the safe space for him, or was for the majority of the game.
They did force out a ravage though.
Average is going to be on cooldown for a while as the maelstrom emerges now for this lone
druid.
Now we can start playing a little bit of disgusting dota.
I feel like there is a little bit of a difference between your laundry specialists and these
carry players that just start playing laundry.
Most of them that don't play him a lot, always opt for the same build as the mulemere, into
to the agonist scepter into the silver edge.
You don't have to think about anything else.
And when you look at the specialists,
they tend to finesse it a little bit, okay?
We can get finesse.
Down bottom we'll have to see some finesse displayed
by extreme gaming as they wanted to start a fight,
but here it's true with a huge wheel of wonder.
Ex-Nova does get off the supernova however.
Yachter was trying to take it down with the bay
and not going to be able to do so.
Now Yachter was in danger, didn't crush up.
Army trying to chase.
Once it's closed the gap with the Avalanche,
gets it while he's on the high ground,
There will be an escape back to try and bail him out.
Yachterol gets left behind and killed off.
And with this blink dagger on Tinker, they can keep the chase up.
He brought down Ruh now, but just on the run, can they get him with the bushwack?
FY rushing forward, trying to get the tree plant into bushwack.
No scurry.
But he won't be able to do it.
Sting gets him!
He does find the bushwack with the acorn shot bounces.
Just barely lacking the damage to bring down the symbol.
Unfortunately for FY, no follow-up as well.
I believe the teammates didn't trust the catch as much as he did
He's by the way speaking of that while he has a nerf. I would really like to see a vessel from him
Oh, yeah, that says the stiller is also really good, but when you look at this game, you're playing it
It's not only for the timber and the primal beast just using the vessel on the bear
It's really damn good. Like it helps out quite a lot. It deals a lot of damage to the bear
It's naturally pretty tanky and so he didn't get the proper combo out from army
But we'll still get the kill on pants or nonetheless
At the same time there's a smoke up towards the top side of the map X Y
That's why an X Nova looking forward to this loan druid
I need to kill him again, and this is right after a barely some of these right underneath an observable. It's not a combo X Y
It's my supports nothing to say though
He gets caught first in the river wheel of wonder team the beast lull on top of him thinker is just dead
FY does it least get some revenge on to rule, but this is not how they envisioned this play going
Probably not thinker still a little bit slow. Of course. It's a hero that does not buy boots has the blink dagger
But if he's out of position, he's as good as that for now
budget almost has the kaya sanj that snk
by the way what does that have we call sanjinyasa sny right but we don't call
kaya sanj like snk or kaya yasha ynk
Those are some deep questions I have.
I need to sleep on it.
And I like SNK, it reminds me of King of Titans.
Army.
Put some damage on it.
But it was a bit of a bait.
Blink overrides directly onto him.
Hanselman is here too, popping the Global Silence and Army.
He died so quickly.
So the team didn't even bother responding, XLXX was pushing middle, they're just hunting
down in the trees right now with X NOVA and FY, so I mean sort of left to their own devices.
Yeah, it feels like the Global might have been an overkill, they weren't really connecting.
Essence is still here by the way after all, FY? FY?
FY? Oh, what an onslaught with the trample law eviscerates the little squirrel impalement
odds. Barely misses on X NOVA, second one, off.
interesting actually. And she's going for the blink BKBA build. I feel like half of the
reasons why this hero feels so good right now is the Harpoon and Silver Edge build. It's
just so natural, it gives you so much mobility on top. Okay, I must be able to perhaps jump
the backlines a little bit easier. Go on the Teal on Tower, XXX. We're involved in all
three lanes where they've taken a tower. They need to prepare for a fight. Global is still
down for 25 seconds but Team Spirit still decides to smoke and they might be able to
catch out. Nothing to say. He's all by his lonesome. They know his team is down bottom.
Wheel of Wonder will be there on top of the trample and he does go down. Will Laughl be
able to escape? Here comes FY as well as XXX. Bushwack connects directly in onto this hero.
On the back lines, Army also looking towards bringing down Rue. Leaving Laughl all by his
Loansome XXX triggers the ravage to kill him, Army kills him through, Panto getting burnt down by the Sunray
And we maybe might have three kills, no. Panto barely survives, tree throw will miss, ends up being a 2-4-1 affair
2-4-1 affair, global not used, thinker dying, if your team spirit you're probably not too sad about this kind of a trade right now
This ravage has been committed, so when you look at the grand picture and big ulti is being used
Not too terrible
But you are slowing down the tinker and I think that's the crucial part right like whenever you're playing same like an alchemist game
Is an alchemist game? This is maybe just as big tinker with the shard is
Extremely annoying to play against inside
Gotta shut him down as much as they can
Couple components away from him having his agonist scepter
Fy is going to be going Yulestep to top the essence instead of Yulest grade into the primal beast, grade into the temperate soul
Global silence as well, another thing that you can use it on, but absolutely
I'm not really sure if I'm happy the time seeing the Tinker, you know?
Like we have especially nothing to say, but at the same time, like, god damn do I hate playing because of that
Whenever you see like NTS Tinker, it's a catch 22, right?
You're a fan of Chinese Dota, you want to see him win, but if it's too strong, then
it shows up on all your pubs and you keep losing games.
So if you're going to win nothing to say, just barely win, no friend.
Do not inspire the griefers in our pubs.
It's troubling.
Pressure is being put onto XXX right now, underneath the tier 2 tower.
Walk away from the chakram.
He's so tanky.
Consecrated Raps are amazing with the shot as well, how to go on?
I think this is one hero where I absolutely love Consecrated Raps on him.
Titehunter's job is to be this indestructible watermelon up front, if you want to be the actual tank in Tota, as silly as that sounds, so...
Consecrated Raps definitely helps out quite a lot.
Wait, surprised he didn't get the lads, but okay, like in this kind of a game, your middle
inner is purely magical, it would only benefit Tiny besides you.
Well, did you see the Aghanim Scepter come up for the lone druid?
So, time for Yachtarow to stop playing Dota, hide in the trees, and it's always this little
corner here, right in front of the defenders' gates.
Every single time you see these dire lone druids, it's so annoying.
Because it's the small camp, the only thing you can farm properly.
I'm kidding you can farm the
But there is another agonist by the way
Probably gonna die here turret deployed I made it with a tree Adam and NTS like you said does have an axe to his name now
Agonist and they're gonna start. I think he solos the bear like if it shows up trying to push
I think he can actually not just zone it. I think it's all killing
Right now their efforts are being concentrated on this torment so though
They are on the vision so it seems great to know that this is happening and that's why Lawl comes through
He shows up with the trample on top of the global silence. Unfortunately only can kill off his ex Nova
He will give up his own life in the process
I mean cool, but
Why don't you be different?
You know the sigma male bro, he works too long
Doesn't look at the explosions where it's alone
Let's see if your hypothesis is correct.
You see what I mean?
This thinker hero is underrepresented right now, especially versus Lone Druid.
This is a pretty good solution.
He will be forcing some very early BKBs.
The thing is, you can buy a shard and you should buy a shard on Lone Druid as soon as possible,
just to get rid of the warp flare at least, but then he just replies it.
Hmm
Tinker's gonna start farming for his BKBS XXX going for the blink dagger, so he's gonna be playing up front
Making sure that they have a lot of team fight. There's actually a lot of mobility coming through right?
There'll be double blinks on the tinker or triple blink tinker
The tide hunter as well as the tiny bottom. Let's see if this happens again
Good God
Sharpshooter even thrown in for good measure. FYI, I need some gold too, OG.
Everything the thinker has got in his toolkit works well against the druid.
At least this kind of a build.
I don't think this axe on one druid right now is just not going to work.
I honestly think he needs to completely switch up the mindset and play a different kind of dota game.
The despair is just going to be feeding.
Bro, check out my yatoro right now. This is the saddest thing I've ever seen in my life.
It's a bleak bro.
It is what it is.
Level 14 with purple flight and a single branch.
Get an iron branch max, you know?
Branch maxing.
That's the new branch maxing.
Put some four extra branches.
Make yourself six slots at least.
Okay, we'll see how many times it happens to his baby before he decides not to put the
axe on myself bro.
Let me just play the hero.
Aw, two times is probably enough, right?
I'm not saying that he should take away the axe, I think he should play next to the bear maybe, and teammates as well.
You'll see, they don't belong to Batyuk here in the middle, double blink forward.
Tinker was thinking about re-engaging this fight, but besides against it in the end.
Axe on the Druid himself is kinda interesting by the way.
Also, an item that players are not buying all too much, but it's not bad, like you can reapply the entangle.
It works on the bear alone as well, so if you have it on the druid, and your bear starts hitting someone without you hitting it, you will continue reapplying the entangled charges even when the target is entangled, so it's pretty solid but no one is buying it, except it may be too pricey for what it gives.
Following this bear around you is just farming in the jungle, alright?
He shows on wave.
We'll see how quickly they decide that this is untenable.
They actually start peeing already.
FYI is like, yo, he's right here bro, come through.
She's setting up for it already.
Maybe you can counter play this.
Push back, acorn truck.
Where is the tinker?
We need you to come through.
He's gonna keep slowing the pain, showing it cannot go back.
Now, okay.
Alright, we gotta do something different.
There's a lot of mana there all the time.
Not a lot of mana, but the turret is still doing damage, it's still going to be enough in the end.
I think that's the reason why nothing to say was actually late.
He didn't have mana initially.
Okay, so you have two things.
Either completely stop playing the way that you are with the rat push of the bear, or set up a trap.
Like that's another viable option, right?
Put the bear in the lane, but set up a trap around him.
No, he might actually be the one to eat trap here.
There's a ravage connecting on the 3 from XXX.
You get a bushwreck as well, on to Lull, and here comes Army on the back lines, eliminating Rue, the Fair.
It's going forward, looking towards nothing to say. Global Silence will be there, Yattaro trying to do all the damage he can,
and he brings down nothing to say. Revenge for his fallen Fair, FY.
Gonna be forced to just use the bushwreck on Yattaro, attempting to escape here.
XXX just won't have enough damage to fully threaten any of these heroes, but this fight does look like it'll be over.
But you quit the agonist as well, very difficult kill to make, bear is still around, will go through the twin gate
But they kind of got what they came for, they get the tinker
Pretty cool revenge by Iatoro, has the only end and agonist of course on the bear
That must have been very satisfying for Iatoro to do that to me
It's a step in the right direction, right? Like the fight was brewing tinker
I don't think he even noticed how close the bear was to him until it was a little bit too late
Patrick has been bossing this game from the laning phase
Afterwards, he now has his SNY or his SNK rather has agonized after now and getting a BKB delivered as we speak
He's the highest net worth right and still laundry is following by the way
even though the bear died so many times laundry there's a
in a pretty healthy spot.
Having two heroes, does that?
Oh no!
Batyov, they just took out his BKB!
How many times today are we going to see key items being destroyed on Gryas?
Two minutes.
He has to be careful.
Coming.
TP is into the tier two tower, the bear is dead.
Already down to half HP this bear.
It's might not actually be able to survive this
It's gone. It's gone. There's a resummon though instantly resummoned on the other side as long as there's a resummon
It's fine as long as you have the secondary there. They also have global silence in five seconds to work with again
Maybe a chance for them to actually take a teamfight. Maybe even forcing rush would be a good option for team spirit
They're mid they're going for it shop shooter doesn't connect and they didn't find the initial bush rack
You know what the difference was? The shard on Mordred.
Hmm, actually, it was quick enough.
So, he gets work paired, instantly shard to dispel everything that was on him, to run away.
See, Aminah is stalking through this triangle. Hunter cross Panto. Will Panto die here?
Escape Ack will buy some time, but they will still be more than enough damage.
But Lord's gonna come in on top of the Global Silence.
Panto does die, but maybe set up a good fight.
As a wheel of wonder connects onto nothing to say, he pops BKB but it's too late.
Tinker is down.
Army's BKB is now expired as well, so he has no way to escape this.
Supernova though, might buy the necessary space.
Batjuk rushing forward.
Army has to half-boot away.
The stun though, it barely connects onto law but it's not enough.
Batjuk throws a chakram off the army.
He will die.
Supernova was suspended but nothing was gained.
Batjuk is just way too strong also.
the silencer, man, just the way that he pressed R. Oh my god, that was good.
If you just have a little bit more damage on Ame, it's like a hundred more damage.
That's killed him. You saw that? The global? The heartless? But all jokes aside, Tinker,
I feel like he was maybe a little bit deep for Tinker to be, you know, to TP on Ame,
But he stuck around in this kind of situation maybe blinking away to a less compromised position would be better for him
Hmm. He stuck around to you. Yeah, he got caught
Also open up the space for Roshan now
One of the more awkward parts about fights like this is you see just but you just rushing forward at you
And there's really nothing you can do about this. Do not have the power to stop this Timbersaw at the moment
Timber is a bigger problem at the moment than the bear is
They found the solution to the bear, they didn't really find the solution to the Timberges yet.
The ULZ is at least there on Hoodwink, so they do have some sort of a Dispel, something to
play around versus a React Armor, but overall Tony does not hit hard enough just yet.
And that's one of the problems with the Blink BKB, even though it's really good versus silencer,
you have something to get rid of the global silence, your damage output is not that amazing.
He seems to agree with you having queued up the Silver Rage now.
Okay, they do find the silencer.
This time around there is no rule right next to him to bail him out with the escape act.
There's like a bonus thing that you get when you're playing along Druid in every single game.
That's the fact that any other core should and can't take the Aegis.
Like if you win a fight and you take down Aegis, the Druid does not need it.
So the carry doesn't take the Aegis.
It's always either on your mid laner or off lane.
Nice.
Good Vajruk.
DKB, Sheevers, SNK, Agz, Tinker, getting caught right now, didn't get a chance to activate
his old DKB.
X-X-X is there with the rabbit, but it's too late.
Tinker already gone, and they have to expend this just to kill him there, and they might
not even get that.
As Vajruk shows up, looking to take down X-Nova, forcing the Icarus dive away.
Might not be done just yet though, Timber Jane forward, forcing the Tinker Nova, Army
is there, getting the Avalanche Toss onto Lull.
might be a trap for him the global silence did come out but it comes too late so army still able
to find revenge on Zulal. They did use the bkbs, Aegis is still there, I don't know if they can
continue this fight though. Archik is thinking about it throwing in these chakrams, the bear is
still in the offing, but army and the gag they want nothing more to do with this they're already
retreating. Did Tani see the silencer he did right like he was thinking about it at least he's still
hunting him kinda. Shadowblade of course. Not that great at the moment to catch the
silencer. Not yet. Not the Silver Agile at least. Tinker is dying way too quickly and
way too easily I have to admit. There is one thing that I'm seeing from nothing to say
is this guy has always been known for the Tinker plays because he was so damn hard to catch.
His elusiveness was like top notch, like you cannot find him, you cannot catch him, you cannot kill him off, he's always baiting you.
This time around I feel like he's being baited quite a few times now.
A lot of baits you find there, let's see if the tinkers impact on the stairs through there, of course.
If they do have the bush rack, easy pickings for the tinker.
You know, a number of few years ago you mentioned something to me that there's like a certain class of hero that has like five deaths in them
before the game becomes practically untenable.
How many is that for the Tinker?
I was probably talking about Queen of Pain back in the day, right?
I could even remember the conversation, yeah.
That was the case back then, I feel like clock right now is a different story.
When it comes to the Tinker, I'm not really sure that there is like a certain amount.
As long as he is farming, yet finding his space on the map,
eventually this hero can't come online.
The problem is, if you're even dying,
That means that they have what it takes to take you down, so you have to find more defensive abilities to protect yourself with, and he is buying or at least queuing up a Lincoln Sphere next.
Just get the shots collected by Panto after the Tormentor, or by a Rue rather, get some
spotlight going for the Ringmaster.
Kind of useful to be able to scout the Tinker and the Cheese, if you more or less know what
he's at.
And now, Raul, could be some danger here, if you go south, oh my god, how are you here?
Damn guys.
They hard commit for that one, Ravage and everything.
They do get the kill, but they get the kill and they force out the Global as well.
Not a bad trade, Ravage for Global, the cooldowns are more or less the same.
Aegis, Optimper still.
Okay, Xenover, get himself destroyed by this Timber Soul.
There's so many T-Heroes in this game, Timber Soul, Tinker, Tiny, Tidehunter.
Oh god.
Hotwing.
What?
What?
It's the only a 1k gold lead for Team Spirit right now
Not too much in it. Tinker looking towards getting that Lincoln sphere
This has been one of the big problems he's been suffering with. Laugh always makes a direct beeline just for him with the pulverize
As long as he can find him
It's the best thing that you can do right now as a primal beast, right?
Just get to top of that and kill him.
Majek, you're gonna go on top of him.
Kame has a Silverage, so this Timber Soul is killable, but he also has a BKB, so you
just TP's out.
Just TP, TP, TP out.
There is one difference in this game that in most games that you see alone driven play.
Every single tier 2 tower on Vade's side is still alive.
Whenever Yator gets close enough, somebody will show.
You say, hey man, you wanna lose another bear?
It's pretty much as long as the tinker is around and about, bear cannot do it.
At least not before the BKB is up.
Which will be there very soon by the way.
I believe, yeah, it's just completed on the bear.
I see that he's not sending items to the bear with the courier.
for the best the bear is always too far out anyway how many bears that you think
I've died in this game but too many too many you should be concerned we also had
a game yesterday with like a bajillion bear deaths I'm just wondering if it
stacks up it probably is more than that one even right it's a lot it's a lot of
gold given away as well right every time he dies especially because thinker was
a part of almost every single kill so far. Level 23 Tinker.
Jeez.
We do see Exnova working on some anti-silencer tools. Loader's orb. Can she be the next item
for this Phoenix?
Yep. Any sort of resetting tool basically when you're playing versus a silencer is good.
Loader's probably the one that is most selfless as you can apply it to your allies as well.
You don't have to use it on yourself if you find it's not necessary.
Smoke up by Team Spirit, they draw the line all the way over.
They have Agonyms by the way on Prime also.
Little bit of extra damage, the break.
Here they come.
Prime gets taken by the Tinker, NCS gets out.
Exnova does have Icarus style, he uses it, but unfortunately Lala's right there.
They will be a supernova used immediately and it's gonna get scrambled as fast as well.
Global Silence is out, but Ame is in looking for the bear. The bear pops its own BKB. Ame unable to change the save-lit, will still be able to kill it though with the help of XXX.
Wheel of Wonder is there, allowing Lawl to jump down the backline's BKB trample with the pulverized two heroes gone in the blink of an eye.
Although, to continue the fight, they will need the tinker to come back, ravaged or expended by XXX, but it's only to help them escape.
Now he has nothing to say. What can he do in this situation? Baciu put his own goal.
He's making him immune to nothing to say. And these turrets doing as much damage as a whole lot of ass, which is absolutely nothing.
I mean, yeah, that's not his strongest tool at disposal. I feel like these cannons, these turrets of his most of the time as a repositioning team where it pushes the target the way it does more like that than anything else.
but what an insane dive from Team Spirit. On the tier 2 tower, just completely fearless to go on top of the egg.
Eliminated immediately. I won't think that really bothers me about this bear. There's a lot of things.
But entangled going through BKB is pretty nice. It's pretty up there on top.
Also just having BKB on a unit feels... I understand why, but I'm also like, come on guys.
And in fact, he is actually gonna go back to the disperser here on the laundry.
It's a very good disperser game.
I really like the refusal.
I won't do it early on, when you can buy it in the laning stage even,
and then you can pressure the map, like play actively.
But I don't mind that he went for it later on as well.
It's a really good disperser game.
Got himself a Flare's Boater.
Okay?
More attack speed, more damage, more ways to deal with the egg.
Just kinda silly how many times this lone druid actually got punished and how out of positions the bears were.
How little difference it makes, how no difference it has made. There's still 7k ahead.
They were catching the bear is kind of over. This is the timing where bear starts it starts actually hunting you. It's the
revenant
There's a butterfly on the sphere right now
Well extreme gaming
Don't worry about an ages right now, but the big man is about to return
There's gonna be the pushback again, but the end comes by Joke looking straight towards nothing to say.
He has used into the air though.
On air, going around, he doesn't want to start the fight on the Timber Soul, but you also realize he doesn't want to go too far.
Okay, there's just no doubt. He used the armor, the agonies, he's used, it's crazy.
Team Spirit is literally playing this with the bear plus one.
This whole initiation around the cliff was two heroes.
This is illegal man, like they're going to highest impact war that gradient can have
And they're like, yeah, sure you guys you guys so over we can wait for you
No rush. No biggie. You know, you know, I learned what is really winning when the launch what is here
Actually involved in the Russia hit hitting Russia. Why even your your tour? Oh?
Just have
Blightstone, Blast and Tackle, yeah.
Either way, extreme gaming have no interest in coming to contest this. They'll give it up,
butchered with another Aegis.
My man has an overwhelming blink as well. Overwhelming blink, BKB, SNK, Sheevers,
and an Enchanter's Bubble.
I feel like this Aegis could have maybe been given to the primal beast as well.
It's kind of hard for the Timber Sword to die a level 26 Timber with everything that he's got.
got I guess it does make sense to give it to him he's super far the amount of
pressure that he is putting on the map is just absolutely insane so primal on
the other side he's humble primal be slowest effort for in the game maybe it
does make sense not to give to him
pick up a Cliftenear as well so we can bear to him. Dude what the hell is this? Nah bruh. Nah Gag, nah nah nah.
Nah this is, this is not allowed. And you just have to wait to resummon. You can just send the bear dude this all over again once the BKB is available.
Pretty much. The resummon is there already by the way that was bear alone. No one was even close.
Army does have Daedalus, that's some damage now, a bit more of it.
I still don't know if it's enough to kill off the Batjooks of the world.
Well, we'll have to find out because Batjook gives Toss back into the base.
He's been activated with BKB just yet, he's eating all of these lasers and he'll take life number one away.
How do they fare on life two? Global silence is activated, Batjook.
Simba chains away. At the very least they're like, yo dawg, we know you're strong,
but you're not that strong that you can take us 1v5.
Yep, yep, it was but you can bear I couldn't really tell it first who exactly it was but
Yeah, they managed to take down the timber these two are always
Completely paying recklessly up on the high ground
Magic in a show middle as we give you though put try to jump and links away and no danger of being caught out just yet
We want to fight.
Lall is coming in. Lall goes in.
On spot 4, it gets used into the air.
Can't get off his spells in time.
I'll pop the BKB now though.
We will have to retreat.
XXX is looking for an opportunity to blink in with the Ravage.
Army is gonna blink first.
The Avalon doesn't connect properly.
And there's the Ravage.
But the Global Silence follows up immediately.
Army trying to deliver the damage to Badjuk.
But he gets away.
Lall saved by the escape backs.
Trying to get out of this Badjuk.
Coming back into the fray with this BKB.
already lost love as the supermobile goes off it will stand up the bear almost
killing XXX and army found the avalanche found the tree toss onto the bear
the bear finally goes down. Batyok forced to blink himself away but no
he was put back by the tiny tinker tiny they combo together they bring down
Batyok this is huge Yatoro losing his bear this was a resummon so if it goes
down down for a single solid minute rather it's dead Yatoro has to retreat
and now they found the real one.
They get on top of him, tinker, seeping in,
wheel of wonder, will be there,
but he just blinks to the far side, finds your Toro,
so as putting in this damage,
he can do nothing about this.
He loses his life.
Tommy was searching for the final support,
but at least they escaped.
That's a beautiful fight
and a beautiful bait by extreme gaming,
the way they were playing.
Nothing huge was put as a bait.
It's just the way that they were positioning themselves
falling back onto the high ground,
high ground that you don't really want to go in. Primal Beast, while he played that a little bit
recklessly, like he moved in a little bit too close to the high ground, so his BKB was necessary.
If he doesn't pop the BKB, he dies. So he used the BKB, but the moment he uses the BKB, the fight was
pretty much in a really bad spot already for Team Spirit. They just...
completely went the Teamfight off of one bad BKB usage. As a result of that Teamfight loss,
as much as the heroes that go down, but the buildings set to be demolished as well.
All three cores are down for at least 30 seconds until you have them all up,
with the tiny stealing a thousand damage.
Fair right trick.
600 without it already.
Oh yeah.
So weak, so weak.
He's going to be able to get the range balance, you know.
15 seconds, no loan to it.
And that's extreme gaming, they will lose their medal here.
Decided to back off.
Team Spirit were smoked up trying to re-engage.
They're not going to find anybody.
Good escape from extreme gaming and extremely good usage of the small window of opportunity.
Nope, my hero that we really didn't talk a lot about is the Phoenix.
The egg in the last fight, it's not really about the crazy execution or something.
He's using Diak at the right time, just making them decide either to go win or they have to go back, and the BKBs are wasted during Diak.
So if you can waste them, it gives this Phoenix, not the Phoenix per se, it gives the team a huge opportunity to counterattack.
You see Arturo, he has a BKB here, but can you go into Diak? Not really. If you try to run, you're stunned, if you don't get away far enough.
Even in that fight as we just saw the shot with the Sunray heal is the only reason XXX survived in the end.
It's pretty big, right? It's percentage based and when you're healing someone with 3k plus HP, it's quite a lot.
I love this chase though from FYI, he was so convinced that hey guys, we can still get more out of this.
is.
I mean, now with the squad taking down the CSU bottom, dies very quickly, objectives.
If you get to them, fall very quickly on both sides.
One thing that Team Spirit probably has to resort to once again is ratting, but they're
smoked, okay, and with the bear as well, they have the double global silence.
with the Refresher, Swift blink just got picked up by Tiny.
Refresher is slightly out of tide, I believe, as well.
Hmm. Yep, he's got it.
So, double Ravage, double Wobble.
Team Fight Galore is coming up.
The team spirits are trying to kick this off themselves.
Stream Gaming is trying to retreat.
Army will show for a second.
And look at the bear. It goes around.
And stuff gets heads, though.
Ravage gets thrown out as well.
Look at X, like they're catching four heroes with the double Ravage.
But the way is the follow-up damage nothing to say instead gives himself pulverized now we get a supernova coming out
But it's so far away from the main portion of the fight tiny
They'll just be used to try and bail people out tiny in the meantime thinking about going forward is able to fight
Like your catchers and during the timber chain away forcing the PKB from the Timbersaw
That's where all his bear is coming back wants to get involved here. I'm a pot BKB still wants to kill somebody
There's the half-hood out onto the fair. The fair goes forward, gets the entangling close-off with the BKB having already been used by Armey.
He's falling lower and lower. Laws are gonna try to trample him through and butchered.
Timber chain will blow him up. Tiny is gone. He's gone without buy-back. Like he doesn't have it.
He's not even close to it. Nothing to say actually caught as well. Okay, he'll live.
People survive.
Man, what a wasted couple of beautiful ravages.
What happened? Where was the team? Were they all still dealing with the bear?
They were all still dealing with the bear, I suppose.
And Tiny was also on the right side.
He wasn't really able to connect.
And those two ravages, even though they look incredible, right?
Like, they're great, as you can't ask for more.
Four heroes, and one of them being silencers, so Global Silence was not there as well.
And still, absolutely no follow-up.
If Tiny was in position to follow through, that's most likely a wipe.
Unfortunately, the coordination let them down on the side of extreme gaming.
They instead end up being down and carry, unable to defend at Seattle Tower and Team
Spirit.
See, they can want to push their luck, potentially just putting in the bear to just hit these
buildings for free.
That's a strong banner, by the way.
Okay, very nicely done.
Was forgotten in the pit.
Spanner was still left here, so maybe something that they can use to push again with.
For now, good defense.
48 minutes in.
Dude, when are we gonna get a short game?
Yeah, not too many for the two of us, at least recently.
Long games that all go to the full best of three.
I mean, it is the last day of the group stages and you want the games to look like this.
It's either promotion or elimination, so understandable, no one is messing around anymore.
After top 6 longest series at this tournament so far, we've got the 4th.
Oh, you love to see it.
50 minutes coming up soon, only a 1k gold lead for the side of extreme gaming.
And Ame.
Pretty much topped out, can maybe swap out the boots for something else, but...
what's that much room for girl this is my favorite position five impact by the
way on panto right now just a rush word staying in rush bit waiting you know
it's guaranteed to respond soon but the smoke is coming
at least he's not in that position where he's forced to just sit in base and
wait with the global I see if we get there the rush around gonna be up right
right now, he's gonna make this first jump, there's three of them here,
all able to get the catch on to army, we love one or the follow up with the global silence,
but now the ravage emerges onto the support, but there's no follow up yet again,
supernova goes out in the river, but they're all fleeing away from it on the side of team spirit.
You do see nothing to say, BKB pops, you're trying to help bring down Laugh,
Laugh is falling lower and lower and eventually will take a tumble.
Yasa was there, it's resummoned but it's killed off,
Batjot gets thrown back into the fray, army is not allowing him to stay on top of the tiny.
Law buys back, wants to re-engage the fight.
FY is going to be the one brought down by the trample.
Batjot slowing down this tight hunter, but nothing to say.
He comes back, throwing in all of these spells.
Ravage now from XXXX on the floor!
He brings down the spring master.
Tinextor 4 will be the Sloan Druid.
Tiny will die, but maybe this Tinkirk can do the damage necessary in the middle of this fight.
And indeed he can't, he takes out Lord as a dieback on the Primal Beast.
Fuck you, can't escape either!
Pounce this way and that by the turret and blast it to oblivion by the Tinker!
Extreme gaming, they buy back on the Tiny because they know the Poster Roshan has just been opened.
Is it about to Roshan or something maybe even bigger?
Because Roshan will switch homes?
Can you push?
Let's see, by the way, Tinker, incredible fight, not only in the pit, keep in mind the
first ravage, you know why they had no damage, Tinker wasn't even there, what was he doing?
He was killing the first bear in the base who was trying to rat, to be honest it did take
down one set of racks, one range racks that is, but not only does he defend, he also attack.
Okay, nothing to say.
Showing us the power of this late game tinker.
As they have now broken into the base, they've taken another set of barracks.
The only thing we can buy back, but Primal Beast cannot, for 4 minutes without the Primal
at least, and they know this, so we're gonna try and force the issue here.
That's it, goes in, looking towards Army, Army will pop the Silver Rage, just trying
to get out of here, Yattaro sends out the bear with the BKB, even the Global Silence
used up.
What they're gonna find for their efforts is the Vest Phoenix.
They'll pop the supernova just to force them to stay in this area.
The egg just disappeared.
Okay, the buyback on the Toro, the buyback on Batyuk.
Can they get to the pit in time?
30 seconds for the Prime OBS. I feel like we might see another big fight.
Ravage, 25 seconds on cooldown.
Actually, maybe this is good for Team Spirit.
Maybe they can just force rush without taking a fight.
It seems that way, it roars.
Okay.
Oh my god, look at this bear.
There's no fightback or BKB on Tiny.
This is extremely dangerous for him.
Okay.
X-X-X goes in.
Rage slowed down for another seven seconds.
But now they're the ones that are sitting in the pit.
A few more seconds until the Rage is available.
Wheel of Wonder comes out.
Tinker able to get the hex out onto the bear.
The bear died to the shop to the head.
And now Batjouk, he goes in looking to get the edges.
He kills by Roshan, but he gets snatched by the Tidehunter.
But you're gonna be forced to the tree if you get anything you got the shard. That's it
Well, all that was happening nothing to say was on the far side of the engagement just bursting through the silence, sir
Don't get everything but they get what they came for
But she's used immediately
The cheese, I don't know might have been
No, it's still there still there
Still the pit they didn't even pick it up by back because I'm trying to go through all the items
And I didn't see the cheese anywhere. So okay cheese was actually just forgotten cool
Just a crazy fight of both sides a fight that could have decided the game if maybe but you managed to snatch
The ages away from them
The unfortunate part about that is yes, they do get the ages for XG but it's on the time
I'm already has by back instead of on the time
He just like it for five minutes guys a monster. Let's him have the ages. Let him have some fun
It's not only but your gaming
He's got AC. Just put him up front, let him hit the racks. Who cares?
He's about to buy an overwhelming blink as well, if he doesn't want to save buyback, which is, obviously.
Probably the case.
What a game this has been. Very back in 4.30 to 25. Extreme gaming do enjoy a 9k gold lead.
They do have the full set of racks as done.
They're hunting the bear.
Find it.
Back there, caught in the bushwax, easy hit-pickings right now for the sinker.
The Savage Roar was a bit late, right, so couldn't really get away from that.
It's down for 30 seconds.
It's down for 30 seconds, but at least the Shard that was stolen is given to the Loan
Rate, so you will have a resummon.
For the next fight that is, you'll be able to summon the Bear, and if it dies you can
use the shard for an additional life.
To me, the scariest hero from Dire currently is not the lonely, it's the Timber,
and it has probably always been the Timber.
He's the one that can take down Tiny and the Titan-Turbo as well.
Going for a hex to complete his item,
he'll give the gem over to somebody else.
Hex, hex?
In front of all these heroes is casually taking the outpost.
FY trying to break smokes from behind and the Tinker is going to TP on top of him.
They see the bear, this might be a trap though like you said.
Badgeo can't do anything just yet.
BKB popped by Law looking for the pulverized unable to compete it though and his ult slot misses entirely.
That B said nothing to say, pushes himself back with the turret into the river and away from the bear.
Yattaro really just wants to chase down this Tinker.
Can he make this happen?
Supernova on the high ground and he can't.
The lasers and the damage from Armei means the bear is dead.
XXX very far forward right now, and they do not really want to deal with this.
He hasn't expanded a single ravage, so they know that they could easily be doubled up. They have to go back.
The hoodwink though, still dead for 70 seconds, so maybe a good opportunity to reset a little bit on both sides,
wait for the hoodwink to come back in. He's going for a windbreaker by the way.
Another really good tool this game, because these heroes are dying in a single savage war,
savage roar and you can't do anything about it like there isn't a way that you
can react if you're entangled and savage roared you just buy in one onslaught
from the spirit bear so getting a windbreaker to save him not so bad also
versus some other heroes of course it's pretty good yeah so just got a satanic
out onto a sphere
Ravage, Ravage.
Batjok gets caught out.
Are they gonna expend both Ravages?
He doesn't have the mana for Ravage number two, but it's all good.
Army has the damage.
So they still kill Batjok and he is dead.
That's a dieback from one of the previous fights.
Two minutes in the grave without your strongest hero.
They don't have a tinker to defend.
They don't have anything like Rageon does.
It's going to be extremely hard.
Blink in the block.
Going directly onto Army with the Wheel of Rund.
The Rhinom's behind him.
Look at the damage with that Spiral Caring!
They eviscerate our Maid, so he dies back as well!
XXX forced to pop the BKB.
Still has a Ravage at the ready, but still lacks the mana to use it.
What a way to defend, man. Just don't defend the attack first.
Get rid of the Tiny before he can react.
He's been having a rough game, by the way.
Seven deaths now on the Tiny, slowly racking up.
Just eliminated him so damn quickly, even without the Timbersaw, by the way.
Most of these fights,
Tiny was afraid only of one hero and that's the timber because whirling death, you know, just way too much percentage-based damage as well.
So they found a way.
There, there.
Getting taken down.
There's a resummon available.
Gonna have to pop it immediately.
There always is.
There's a resummon.
Dude, this cooldown is also ridiculous, like...
There's always a resummon.
We should at least make it...
Who's idea was it, the other day, that, uh, we're saying that you should just add seconds, like, throw like, A on dusk.
Each time you use the bear and it dies.
And like five seconds to go put on at 15 every every stutter a minute. I am good at that every time it dies
Actually make it to different animal you start with a bear the next time it dies you're a quill beast
Then you become a fox
Come a frog whatever you do rabbit
than a frog
Or a worm, you know, would you love it if it's still a worm?
Indian, exactly
860 last hits!
On our way, Arturo! Good!
God! These are some CS numbers, man.
Still, the network is not as when it comes to the top.
Still, the Tinker sitting on 45k at this point.
It came to the bank.
We were at that point of the game where the network is still basically meaningless.
Just buy some woundshards, give it to the timing.
Just got a hex on to XXX.
You didn't tiny army was so traumatized but what just happened to him you cut up a Lincoln's fear now
Like I'm not getting overized again, but
No surprise. Yep. That's next
There's the first right the pop global silence. That's how important this bear is to the he does have DKB
Okay, he survives the bears allowed to leave
Okay, so now you don't have one global and you don't have a BKB, but you have a resummon
Is that worth?
I feel like the BKB on Barrie is the most crucial item right now because it allows him to continue hitting.
If you can control him, the life of the Barrie is not worthless, but not as important.
Look what nothing to say in the crew, think about this, they are on your page feeling that the Bear Without BKB presents a unique opportunity to try and end the game.
They know, on both sides, that's why they're hugging each other on the high ground.
Ringed Master Aghan and Scepter, there is just a lot of items we didn't really go through, but this is a cool one as well.
Let's get back to it, it's very good.
Okay, block. Blocks the hatch with his Lincoln Sphere.
If you get the Yule Scepter out onto FY, I think you can get a little bit back.
Tinker sees Vajra, Vajra still has access to his BKB.
There has BKB in 4, there doesn't have BKB just yet, it's been found.
Bushwack will be there, army directly up onto the bear.
He wants me to also bring it down.
Yatora will pop the PKP on the bear.
She put a life for now.
In the meantime, nothing to say.
Just zoning back by to preventing it from entering the frame.
Supernova is down.
The bear's trying to destroy it.
It will fail in this attempt.
Global silence is there.
As the Supernova pops,
Batut gets stunned up.
Bushwack by the army,
but he's in an awkward position on nothing to say.
The Wheel of Wonder was there,
dragging in closer towards the bear,
and the bear will shred him to pieces.
Batut go falling very low.
nothing to say. Five-five immediately. There's gonna be the Ravage. It catches
Batjou, catches the Veig, catches Rue, and all of them are gonna die. Yachtero trying
his best to steal back the life of the Titanic, and now they found the real Yachtero, who
has pretty much nothing in his inventory, but they can't catch up to him. Batjou running
interference right behind. He will get caught by this bushwack held in position for a moment.
He could decide to dive forward with nothing to say, and that's what they do.
Let's go five-five. Trying to lay out all these bells, but he can't afford to die. He
Guys, it is a buyback.
Law, X on the high ground, saved by Ruh, beautiful escape act.
Also an even better team, the Beast, sending back nothing to say.
The Shrop Shooter slowed them down, Ame tried to catch up, couldn't get there in time.
Nothing to say.
He's on the high ground by his Lonesome, looking to try and bring down the silencer.
Escape back both male and male, out.
Law, going back in, looking for nothing to say.
VKB will protect this team from now, as they kill X Nova.
Couldn't dive away in time.
Ame now, dies in, looking for Yatoro, looking for Bachuk.
But where is the follow-up damage? Where is the Tinker?
Tinker has to retreat. The fight got too awkward and at the end of the day,
a baby of Bi-Bax being used up by Team Spirit. Four of them, but they keep this game alive.
You know what? Team Spirit used a lot of Bi-Bax, but Tinker used a Bi-Bax of his own.
51k damage. 25. What did they? They dealt twice. I mean, they did kill
Quite a few heroes as well that were forced to buy back plus the bear
But they do hold on team spirit and what a fantastic hold that is
Considering the tinker pod back and it looked like they had that one
just
We talked about the BKB on the bear and how crucial it is for him to have it
The same feeling goes for timing like timing usually feels
Insurmountable like this feels like a tanky bro that can go all right click it and his itemization if you look at it
It's all right click, right? It's all about the damage because he's sitting on 4.7k HP
But it doesn't feel that big because he's playing versus all these percentage based heroes
They just shred through him at the moment the BKB is gone
He has to be very careful on his approach like how he enters the fight and leaves it
smoke up by team spirit. Oh
Look at this. That's all buying a refresher. Oh, and we are at that point we can get the tier 5 neutral items
Let's see what we're getting here.
So, it's got the Minotaur horn on the druid.
Nice.
Stygian desolate on Tiny.
Divine regalia for nothing to say.
Divine regalia for nothing to say.
Okay, that's going to be interesting to see.
Rollin' style for Law.
Oh, supernova popped, but...
gonna be immediately destroyed.
Armey trying to fight you.
Armey is in danger, but he gets back onto the high ground.
The second Global Silence will come out, but Armey will escape.
Ravage number one comes in from XXX, catches four heroes.
Rabbit number two catches five, but there's no follow-up damage yet again. Hex out onto the bear, XXX will die, and he's short on gold for the buyback.
330 gold is all he needs, but the Phoenix for him it's a dieback. 100 seconds without the supernova egg.
And by the way, cheese in the pit.
That's a buffet right now, oh my god.
They cannot... at least I believe they cannot contest this.
It doesn't feel that way. At least no PKB of Tiny.
There's no way. So ages will be given away even with all these buybacks.
Team Spirit are now once again in a pretty good, comfortable leading position.
These ravages, man, are just zoning ravages.
It's kind of sad. Like, Tidehunter is the only one that's up front every time the ravage happens.
He catches so many heroes that Bear included, but there's just absolutely no follow-up.
And we haven't actually seen too many instances where Ravage goes off-hack at the same time as Supernova is in the middle of the fight, right?
It's never like that, and one of the reasons, of course, there's a multitude of little things that come into play here.
Bear finding a target, forcing an egg, or forcing a retreat.
Also, Global Silence, just making it hard to combine everything together at the same time.
We're talking about the tiny having a hard time sticking in the fight and dishing out
the damage.
Well, he's picked up an agonim scepter.
So if I can't hurt you in the fight, I'll just throw the damage from outside.
I actually saw that he was building this and I really like it.
It gives him a different dimension.
You know, like up to this point he was always playing the same way.
Go in, hit while he has a BKB and then just play around the amatoss and that's it.
Now at least he's got his axe.
Global.
used up. Oh actually that's the only global because they do not have the refresher available
just yet so this bear is just going to die on the high ground. No escape act! Bails the bear out
of trouble. Not going to be enough though eventually there will still fall. But Jotaro has a resummit
and a refresher. Now we see a log going directly onto the tank. We're trying to bring him down.
He gets forced off the way though. Milo Wanda does drag back the tiny and he dies. Army buy back
immediately. They get away from the supernova on the side of Team Spirit and it looks like they
They have had enough of this fight, they will get back, having earned a buyback out of armies, good enough for now.
They're slowly but surely withering them down, getting these big buybacks out.
Buyback on Tinker, how are we looking? Two and a half minutes.
We've been there before on the other side, but now it's the Tinker without it for two minutes.
Still, this fallback from Team Spirit is not going to be a massive one, they just need their ulti's back up.
Like the Global is up in 40 seconds, he has Refesher Orb and a Shard, he's really stacked but...
Did you see how much damage nothing is here done?
Jeez, wait can we get the whole damage spread from everybody?
Honestly how much further ahead he is in the rest of the field?
Oh my god!
Honestly, some of these heroes are keeping up, like Timber with 70k, 77 on Tiny, they're still keeping up
It's just insane to keep up with the 100 plus K at this point.
Well, Team Spirit.
Surprisingly, even though they're the ones with the Nages,
they're the ones that have forced buybacks.
It's extreme gaming that are forcing them to defend and get back into the base.
I don't know for how long, but the bear is on top lane, so...
It's the reason why this hero was brought into the meta was because of his wrath and promise.
Double Hex. They're not letting this happen again. They know his game now.
The Hex on the Titan and then instantly after as well, another one.
It is now officially the longest game of the tournament.
So Liz, I said we have four of the six longest series. I think we're going to five after this.
Definitely. Even if you have some short games after this series.
Global silence to cover the pay, the pay is in the pay, the pay is running, the pay got the mega!
What nonsense is this? Gaven, please! You can't allow this to keep happening.
He does. I think I straw game Gaven, they get off on this.
These kind of games, these kind of heroes, we had in each Prophet before, right?
Right, profit in previous patches, now we get the Loan Druid, there's always something, there's always something that's able to take your base without actually being there.
Nah, this is Haram Dota. Nah, nah, nah, nah, definitely. This is Haram Dota. It's Haram, it's illegal.
Oh my god, look at this building damage! 24k from the Loan Druid and almost nothing from the rest of the team list, it's just pretty much him that's bringing everything.
Now we know how much damage you need to take down all the rat, well everything, besides the two floors.
Alright, here we go. Tinker just got my back.
Oh, my perk? Hacks immediately hatched. They hit a ravage as well, their escape back came first though,
and now the Global Silent will at least protect Bartric for a moment.
Law jumping the back lines, looking for the Tinker, the Wind Waker will save him for now.
He forced off away, but Law still is on him. He wants to bring the Tinker down, Tinker!
Tinker eventually will die, that's why it's back, but there's the ravage with the supernova on top.
Four heroes have been caught by this, so Tinker can just come back.
Filius starts playing out the spells, Vajra loses his first life, Lall ends up dead, Soda's through,
and look at the bear, it also ends up dying. Vajra trying to persuade the supernova,
not going to be able to do so. He gets stunned, Soda's a silencer, escape back to him, he's
protecting him for a moment, as Yatora sends forth the bear. He wants to find somebody
that they don't have the control, army in trouble,
he brought back earlier, that's a dieback for the Tidy,
two minutes in the grave without him.
XXX, TP's out, goes home, they force out, yet again,
multiple buybacks from Team Spirit, but they had to expend a few of their own.
Somehow this game is still going.
Somehow, like they somehow still have it, what it takes to go take a fight,
angle base and defend, but this is now a massive opening for Team Spirit.
Like you said, no buyback on Tiny, 4 minutes still on cooldown, 2 minutes without him.
It's not now or never, but it's a pretty good opportunity for them to close this one out.
Tinker of course, he's the Huxchul, Shiver General, he's the General of Defense right here.
He's the main one that you have to kill. If you want to take down the Rax because of the Laser Spam,
because of the March Spam, and it's really difficult to do that next to the Fountain.
We also do not have a single rabbit for 60 seconds, not 2 for 90. Also no supernova.
This is a real opportunity for Team Spirit. 60 seconds. Can extreme gaming hold the high ground without their ultimate, without their big physical damage dealer for 60 seconds?
There's a double polarize. They gave the shard to Primal Beast. So this is maybe the plan to catch Tinker with both of them.
He also doesn't have buyback. He used it in the last fight.
Let's go, each one's a bubble. On silencer, he's ready.
I have the silencer global ready. Only the solitary global though.
The bear, come on guys. You can't win Haram style. No guys, no guys, no guys.
No guys. Tinker, he needs to do something here. The hexes out onto hoodwing, dying immediately to Batjok.
And they've opened up the space towards the ancient. Yato was there getting sent back, but the damage to kill it is not there just yet.
Yeah, we'll take them with the escape act they force the cliff
They force the cliff the mega drops the demonic archers. They're kind of doing it ten seconds though without a tiny
They are folding
I'm pretty sure someone on T's where the fan of Atlético Madrid the way they play man
They parked the bus in the oh my god, this is so wrong
71 minutes my friends so
So, what needs to be changed here?
There's only one buyback in the entire game available at the moment.
A couple of heroes are just short on gold, but most of them are based on Kulans.
I don't think that if you're a team spirit, you kind of broke the code already.
I think they know what needs to be done to end this game, and the bear with BKB hitting
the throne might be enough.
So I think Extreme Gaming are actually on a timer right now to get something done before
the next salvo of attacks happens. You have to perhaps find a good teamfight even without
these buybacks on Tiny or on Tinker. Another Aanda sport now by Panto to make sure that
even if I may jump some he will not die. Can you buy refresher on the bear? On the actual
bear? Yeah. I don't know. Just put it on. Ah yeah never mind it doesn't refresh the
BKB. Yeah yeah yeah of course. He's going by the way. He's got the BKB he's ready. Okay.
Okay, spring's over.
Oh no, this is so stupid.
This is so haram, this should just be illegal.
They're totaling in the cheesiest ways possible,
triggering my lactose intolerance.
He wins the game.
GG is called and Team Spirit clutch out game number one.
I just, you know what?
One of the better games of the tournament,
it was longest held 72 minutes of absolute insanity
happening from both sides.
What a hero man, thinker, not chees enough to deal with the max chees of this meta?
Shiver, please tell me, is there a solution to Lone Druid outside of just banning the
damn thing?
Yeah, no, maybe not, maybe just banning it, what a game did we just witness, don't get
me wrong, this was very enjoyable, but can only imagine how frustrating this must have
been for Extreme.
It kind of felt like it was both teams were just watching one guy play the game and everyone else was like we're gonna kind of do things to maybe win
Man, I just think I saw like multiple ravages in this game like ex-access. He goes in
He hits it twice and then nothing happens afterwards. There's no real follow-up
But yeah, nothing wrong nothing to see here. Everything is perfectly led-balance in this game
especially in this hero called Laundruid who can get like the 12, 14, 15
slaughtered whatever you want to call it. No it is silly. It's just a menace now.
Yeah I wanted to go back to the Titan just for a second like he was having a
pretty incredible game like multi hero ravages I feel like army just didn't
really you know step up to the intensity of this game. His stat line 15, 9, 11, it
looked pretty commendable but there were so many little moments where if he just
played a bit better. I feel like we are talking about actually winning this game.
Yeah, I felt like somebody had to click follow on xxs.
I'm a MTS just to make sure that these abilities like because he landed four or five man ravages
like he landed it two three times where there was no real follow up to it. So somebody had to do
something. I think this game could have been even like a potentially a 30 minute game as well.
But it wasn't.
I mean that's where Spirits are, I think, especially back there on the Timberthole, right?
Going 11-4 full team, having the load of sort of just being just such a frontliner.
He caught Armee out of position just a couple of times with his counter initiation.
Timberthole very good at blowing up these heroes, and he did that especially towards Tiny.
And then of course, I mean, Spirits, the reason why they are winning this game is the loan drift, man.
Yeah.
Look at the hero, by the way.
He's a look at look at he's winning the game and he's farming like the campus. I did like diet. Oh, what do you do nothing?
They try to box to as well on bear just to have extra bit of a damage
Not sure who's tp that was a good attempt from xxs as well in the end buys a super late crimson guard playing against mega creeps
Thinking I'm gonna use this on my throne make sure that it doesn't die
Against this overlong damage from the bear doesn't really matter the inventory of of course. It's wrong
I think this story, even though it's very much about Lone Druid versus Tinker, it, okay,
that was the visual story.
I think we both already highlighted the two offlaners.
I think it very much was XSS versus Batjuk as well.
I think both played very well, which is a 17-minute game.
I don't know what the pressure is on, you know?
And Batjuk is the new kid on the block on the side of Team Spirit,
so there are some extra eyes on him potentially delivered.
Love the numbers.
1,000 CS, but these are the big numbers.
51,000 hero damage and 35,000 building damage.
Nobody on the team was actually doing any tower damage whatsoever,
so he was just sitting there.
and also healing himself.
Sorry.
Yeah.
Let's not be rude.
All right.
Timbersaw, 899 building damage.
OK.
And Panto.
Yeah.
99 here, building damage.
Sorry.
But there was some building damage from the silencer
and from the Timbersaw.
Do we know how smart silencer was at the very end?
No, I had no idea, to be honest.
Oh, that's a shame.
He was in Giga Brain territory.
Yeah, it probably was.
At 22 it says three kills in the Panto.
I'm expecting him to have stolen some decent input.
Yeah.
I mean, this was very much proof of why
series of strong but yeah I think Batyork has you know he's been under some some heat especially
from standing in for for collapse but in a game like this he really made sure that he was always
present in the fights like yeah I you couldn't ask like a better kind of Tim's performance
in the type of game that was created yeah I heard from the morning crew that this hero is bad and
now I kind of I don't know about these guys from the morning crew because I was on the on that panel
as well. That's why I'm saying it. Don't worry. I heard from the the evening crew. Wee-haw, he also
had some choice words for the Timbers. Look what he has done. Morning crew. Be careful.
No, no, no. He looked good. Timby looked good. Like he was the one who was exploding heroes,
soaking up all the damage, providing vision. But there's also another hero that we need to address
in this game. And that's a stinker. Yes. He's the one who is doing quite a lot. Like if you look at
his hero damage was 125,000 damage in the whole game. Yeah, and you can see how he did that,
right? He actually really played on his little turrets really nicely, like commanding around
the map, utilizing the hoodwink, the tiny, the explorer into the game, the tiny ultimate for
the blink dagger. They kept finding these moments, and the bear was just unable to play into the
Inca in the early stages. Love the combo that they did have, this early hoodwing, this filler that
provides vision for the bear, that provides the vision of a hero, so it does allow you to go
end and keep the track on him all the time make sure that you have enough to kill him and think he
just went ham pretty much I think we are going to be seeing more I think this is a good thinker
showing for all the thinker spammers out there this is something I'm fortunate we have to say
that even after the nerf even after removing the fence matrix the hero still looks pretty good
it still looked good and when we're saying that this game could have been shorter like 30 minutes
or something like that. It's because there were some moments that that extreme looks very good,
but the reason they went longer is because the moment we're about to show you because
they they did do well and they were aggressive. They did. This was a bit of a clutch moment as well
for Team Spirit because they managed to turn around Rue. He places a really nice observer
board on the high ground pre-fight. They already had the sentry which does allow them to see the
whole fight. See where everybody is, Panto dies immediately, but nothing to say and the rest of
the team are fighting underneath this vision and Tidehunter he comes in slightly late,
Hame, like he's already dead. We see the power of this Timbersaw who's shredding through all of
these tanky heroes but you find a really good Chakram in the end, cuts him down and if they
lost this fight I think the game probably could just end here. Yeah, I mean it's also kind of
testament to the new style of Tinker. You're blinking a lot more, you don't have that matrix
to help you kind of suddenly blink back. You know, it's very scary. If you blink incorrectly,
you are in a bad spot. I did double check. So Tinker, competitively in all tiers, only
four games played competitively. Tier one, two, three, Dota, 0% win rate.
Oh, so this game's so close. Exactly. So this fifth game that we've seen competitively
in all tiers, I think is like you said, it's an indicator that it can be played, but your
player on the Tinker, they need to truly understand like the item to buy, the position to be in
Nothing to say, had an incredible early game, did falter a little bit, giving a window of
spirit to get back into the game, why it becomes so competitive.
But yeah, I think this is just a game to remind everyone that it is not a hero to be ignored.
Absolutely.
One of the saddest inventories as well when you see Broken Divine Regalia, absolutely nothing.
But a lot of potential, especially with the new ability, the story, it feels really good.
I just want to see something. We try to discuss this in the green room as well.
What are the spells to keep them inside? Like some like tusk like the avalanche
feels really good as well. But you know, you want to have your supports, we can keep them inside
just so the turrets deal enough damage because it's a relatively short cooldown spell as well.
So it feels nice. And he also did pick up the shard on Tinker relatively early on.
Now this was a game where, you know, extremes like let's leave loan drew it in. Let's give it
to you Toro because we got a plan and they did have a plan they did not work out the
thing is that what would I kind of would say that it did work out but then obviously it's
not the plan that they go to 70 minutes but as we said they could have ended earlier to
just play a little bit more crisp. Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if we saw kind of a repeat of
this game in the next one especially because it's like 72 minutes that you can easily pinpoint
the 30 minute dive or it's maybe the spirit dying to the early aggression and you kind
of overcome that better right so I'd like to see the same game again why not like
it was a treat from a viewer perspective we have no objections I think the
players might want to have a little bit of sail here because if you're on the
side of Team Spirit of course you just won but it also wasn't all crisp and
keen either no yeah it was awkward I mean low kind of an awkward game from him
on the primal beats against has 11 deaths he's just jumping in like a madman
Panther was kind of just pressing R yeah you can do it for me team so it's kind
of a weird win, but a win nevertheless. A win nevertheless and that means Team Spirit
is one step closer to the playoffs because that is what is on the line for this best
of three. Let's see if game two can deliver as much as game number one after a break.
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Extreme gaming and team spirit are no strangers to long drawn-out brawls, so I don't think
that they have any problem whatsoever just getting right back into it for game number
to and delivering it to us again. I have high hopes for that either way. It was first game
going the way of Team Spirit. Incredibly close. Extreme Gaming is looking to force out the
third game to the series. I thought Jiao ate. Tell a sleep. You got a draft. I know it was
a long game but... Oh no. Did the take away? Maybe he was sleepy because Jiao ate and after
you have a deal. Yeah. Yeah. Very good. No team spirit is going into this game probably
a little bit more relaxed considering they did just win game one, but I do think that
extreme have it in them to push push out that third game. They are no stranger to
learning from a game and then bouncing back. But what did they learn from that game? Like,
what's the main lesson? Even if like, it can't just be about long drew it.
No, I honestly summarize it to the point of the team is to be on the same page
as the game progresses, we've already spoke about XS easily could have been the MVP of this game,
finding multiple era ravages, but then there was a letdown that there wasn't a supernova on top,
there wasn't an avalanche into four major hits from a tiny, there was no ag's laser or bush,
but there was nothing, it was just him by himself. So I would just say take that point,
fix it, game two, play the same game and you might be looking towards game three.
Yeah, people have been slightly critical about team spirits like results gameplay in the recent months or so, but
They still have the same identity like this is one of the most difficult teams to bring down
Like just being so resilient when it comes down to pushing the high ground and xxs. He also needs to wake up
There we go
That's that's kept put on at least for moments away from the drop
I mean off your point
I feel like that was really just your tour of stepping up immensely, all right, understanding
like when to wrap with the bear, when to fight with the bear. Sure, there's a couple of points
where the BKB on him might have even been kind of the unfolding, but I think that was a bit of
your tour of magic sprinkled within that game. We're sure. So it's time to find out where the
draft's going to go. If we're going to have another lone druid making it through, I would like to
take take your odds right now will it be banned yes who has the first pick this
time around it's gonna be team spirit i'ma go now i'ma go extreme probably wants
to ban it i'd say i'd say yes just because just for the sake of panel
differences i'm gonna say no so we have a winner on the panel okay yeah you can
them both be winners if you're both correct. No, I can see how the guaranteed winner. Yeah,
guaranteed winner. Okay, in the system. That's a good way. We both win. Very well done. Very
well done. That's how you do it, right? And you spell their team, team effort with the loan
druid out of the equation. I hear that comes to mind that was completely ignored previous game
is of course the alchemist. I'm sorry. I have to bring it up contractually obliged.
Slardar's out, Lone Druid's out, the other carry that has such a high
contest rate is the Alchemist. Yeah, no, it's easy as a hero. I think because of
Lone Druid going through the pool that created a very specific draft kind of
line that you wanted to follow and Alk doesn't really jump on that nicely but
with the Lone Druid, again I wouldn't be surprised if it was a hero to look at.
mainly I think multiple spirit.
I feel like if XG was to play it,
I kind of feel like I'll just buy the items himself and just try and do the old squad.
I'm leaning towards Batrider and Monkey King.
These two heroes, they might ban Alchemist, but it's going to leave some of the stronger ones in the pool as well.
It seems like they did a bit of a research as well.
You know, you're playing against FY, you want to be removing Rubik.
saw a lot of mind games going on with not banning Underlord at all if you had the pick
out of the phase on 13 so you take Rubik for yourself, not necessarily needing to ban Underlord
as well because he is considered to be like the best counter in the game against Underlord.
Well the two heroes that are still left in the pool and one of them, or both were banned
in our previous game, but one we'll make it through is the Bat and the Quaff, still in
the pool as well.
So there's obviously the option to leave both in so you can get one of the two guaranteed.
Yeah, I mean, also actually using a lot of their reserve time in the opening part of the draft, right, especially because the pick order is the same way, you'd assume that XG would have had to, you know, let's look at our Game 1 prep, but adding Loan Druid to the ban list clearly has made them really consider how they wanted to approach it.
And the bans on the side of Spirit are exactly the same. It's Queen of Pain that gets removed, so the bot is in the pool.
There's Bat, it's Alc, Phoenix.
Might be missing one, but some decent options.
Yeah, many decent options Team Spirit could go for.
Five seconds remaining.
Five seconds remaining.
Of course, it's a slow opening, I'll be honest with you.
Yeah, yeah, but I'm just full anticipation.
It's the Bat rider, because I don't know,
I feel like Alchemist, did he fail a lot of fall off that hard?
Surely not.
I wouldn't say he's, I mean, yes,
he's had a bad win rate so far compared to what people may be
expecting him to have.
But I feel like because of the volatility of his performance,
people have gone, ah, that's how we can beat it.
They found the confidence.
Like, read this event, it was just full fail.
Like, oh my God, Alchives accident.
The cop breaks the game.
How do we do it?
But now it's like, oh, wait a second.
We just, we can just kill the guy he gave an axe to,
and now they're lost.
and your alchemist doesn't have anything much. Yeah, usually this is the hero that was played with five six items
25 30 minutes in easily now. It's a bit of a different story
He shares his wealth around and then everybody else is kind of super farmed except him
He's still trying to keep up. This is gonna be the trade-off hoodwink
One of the better position fours
I would say I think the combination between like the items and also some other position fours getting
nerf, the essence vestillar, casual chasm stone, we saw like lads from position 5s as well.
If you play, of course, you get the boomerang amplifying the damage of your whole team,
having the break mechanic.
Again, we are in meta where there's a lot of things that you need to be able to break.
Woodrink is by far with 10 more picks in the second play, he's the most picked hero of
the tournament.
Yeah, it kind of does a little bit of everything on the map, right?
It's the speed of map play, just like Lacoste was saying, just good hero.
I think as well for FY, he leans more towards ranged heroes at least during Vlahia.
Only Tosk was his melee hero.
So if you are XG, the reason why you want to take the hoodwink here is if Spirit Band hoodwink,
you are kind of pushing FY down a path where maybe he doesn't give Jawaik the creativity he wants.
And I think hoodwink, because it's such a generic four, you get to see one of the historically strongest rafters think about some of the niche picks.
For sure. And then you see like Tidehunter getting removed because they have the pick out of the phase.
Tidehunter plus Hoot doing strong lane as well, a lot of synergy like with the Blight Stone, with the minus armor from Gush.
And also like you're kind of covering the basis as well, where you have break mechanic on your own.
Batrider removing Oracle, which to me tells we want to be running this Batrider most likely as a position 3.
can't steal be flexed, but it's just that we want to get the value out of this
Batrider in the lane. So far, but you hasn't played but yet this event. Every
time Spirit has had their hands on the bat, it's always been sport. But I'm sure
he has it under his wing. Yeah, no, I can see him easily playing. I feel like,
especially from pre-patch to this patch, Batrider has been up there, so I'd like
to think that most off-laders can do it, but 5-0 on the Ember, whoops.
That's a strong showing.
It is, and also it's kind of calling the bluff on how good is Lau on the bigger counters to Ember and Lending Phase.
Yeah, such an early pick. Plenty of time for Spirit to come up with the perfect solution, but nothing to say is like, no, I got this.
It helps, I think, Slada is the most comfortable one, but of course because it's so good in the toilet that's already pre-band.
And then the rest of the thing is the kind of losing value, at least
We saw Kunkka beating the Ember earlier today. That was due to
Dark Mago. Yeah
Kunkka expert, he just loves to play the hero no matter what happened to the hero in the patch
It's been like that for like half a decade probably even more
It's pretty easy just go back to the silencer if they wanted to right when you have Ember jumping in doing random stuff
It's quite nice. So now they go for the Beastmaster.
Beastmaster against Ember and Mid. That's quite okay. No, it's just farming happily.
I'd be okay with the silencer you mentioned. Just five. I think maybe even Tusk if you want to have
another support for when you're not revealing anything. So you have the open of Beastmaster
going Mid, Beastmaster going Offlane, having these two that we mentioned as a support duo,
but also having an option to run Tusk plus Batrider in the Offlane, Beastmaster Mid.
In one thing to consider as well as Batrider used to be one of the big
accountants to Ember in the mid lane. We haven't really seen many Batrider mids,
but I could see an argument that both Beast and Bat could get flexed into a
very end of the draft, depending on the state of the game. Beast goes to off lane,
you get Helm of Dawn, maybe even Overlord, plus Bat maybe beating out the Ember.
I have no idea what the matchup looks like at least in 7.41. I can still envision it
going the way of the Batrider. It is a way that Spirit can break down that
of XG and you know take the fight through them. Something that we talked about prior to this series
is them having like the overall last pick in most of the games on extreme gaming picking up the hero
and then winning. They didn't have that in the previous game because they picked Tiny on 17 or 18
and then in this one seems like Team Spirit they're prepping. You have Taser which is very annoying
for Ame to play throughout the whole game because he's playing the heavy physical damage
damage dealing heroes and you're playing into two BKB piercing abilities.
That does open up for like the man to carries to thrive, right?
Against Beastmaster and Batrider, jump in, the guy presses man to have to recast your initiation.
The small little things can add up to the army being that big carry.
We'll see if the man to hero gets to show itself, does it become a good terribly game or whatever.
have to see right now there's a lot of magical damage probably not. Actually
there's a lot of just map play right when you have ember and pango you
naturally will grab your supports and go guys we have an item let's go play
every single active rune we need to be here we want to fight them and then for
spirit I'm just scared to run into them right there's gonna be techies mines
downs if you run into the fog there's a roar there's a lasso dragging you further
the roar of course holding you in place like forever to be blown up. I think spirit
inviting the fight from FD. Team Spirit, this is what they always had, these placement tools
to make sure they always have like the good high ground defense, you're going high ground,
lasso into mines, and now faceless void, very good void game. They have dilation.
Dilation destroys like all of these heroes pretty much, and I want to see what
response for this is going to be. They also have very limited amount of lockdown.
It's it is locked down, but you also need to hit it like pango needs to connect with her all Bushwack needs to connect on top of that
And they will respect the agatom scepter that alchemist could give to some of these heroes
Especially pango pangos the big yeah, I would say pangos my top three
Good all about what other because we know that army does like to be the the hardest carry in the game
What are the what's is the hardest carry the game against the?
against a face of void because the racing comes to mind but he's dead he's kind of normally at
ease with void you won't find the off lane it's a shutdown the void in lane and then it's like
you picked up the tight hunter you crushed the lane you're tied free farms void never has damage
because he's had an awkward lane game feels good but they already have the plan exactly which now
does shift the priority if you go for a active carry that goes for pacing you just feel like you're
this timer against the void and then you don't really want to go for like the
terabytes or whatever the big ticket carries because you get cornered you
go with the die so I think it's kind of a some uncomfortable position for army
maybe there's like a Medusa route you go and you just go like man to
butterfly you don't care about like techies and all this stuff you stand in
the middle of every fight and win the fight that way yeah they don't have
any ways of really disengaging a fight they also have no saves inside of
chrono so whoever gets chrono they're the ones getting the jump we already said
that they have two bkd piercing abilities on spirit now you have chronosphere on
top of that which makes it very difficult for them to actually play the
fights and their team fight looks super strong yeah it's very scary especially
because the beast I'm about still kind of getting flexed a bit yeah if you go for
let's say a very slow carry to try and get into the game later on you walk in
You're gonna lose your tower instantly, right? It's it's actually a very dangerous
like beast stat that's gonna hold over the heads of XG.
Alright, let's see then what is coming our way. Team Spirit picks out of this
bandface, so they are still looking for most likely a hero for Batuu,
assuming the Batrider is support, but there's definitely a lot of flex still
possible also with the Beastmaster in play, so we'll see where they go with that.
so far, Extreme is banned at the Largo, one Offlaner out, is there another Offlaner?
I mean, maybe do the Offlaners teach us anything, like the banned Offlaners, teach us anything
about what Extreme might be wanting to go for, with the Doom also removed?
Is it potentially like the Kez, and then you play through the fight of XG, you have a lot
of burst, it's a bit volatile, but I am just seeing, you see Void out of position, boom,
get the quick kill.
Yeah, another hero that maybe doesn't rely on having long cooldown, because the longest
cooldown they have is Rolling Thunder, without Super Noi you can still take the fight, Ember
is no cooldown whatsoever.
But then we'll go back to Silencer one more time.
It is very good against pretty much everything, Hoodling doesn't care too much about it,
but the other three are going to get ruined by Silencer.
Silencer time dilation, damage over time, and just not being able to cast spells, it puts
some cool down. It's just very deadly and Amé is going to go with another classic.
Okay, I mean it's it is a fun matchup if you get both carries of items. It's going to be the
constant, you know, is that the real PL? Is he baiting with the illusion? Does he survive?
I think it can be cool. I am just worried that the just the game itself, the speed that spirit
can play. Yes. One saving grace I guess is beast is going towards mid so it's not as if it's going
to be Helm of Dawn break the map. You are putting a bat rider into the PLP of course, can you know
jump away from a bit and dispel. I feel like Offlane Bat has got stronger and stronger over time
that you don't really catch much of. Yeah it's not like I'm gonna be on like super short cooldown
where you can spam it so they could definitely grab a kill. Techies is very very underrated in my
opinion position for I'd be okay to see this year on every single game
concerning how strong it is and it's also like this arm against BL you have
heroes who can scale well you have Beastmaster you have faceless void who
are building into items that are gonna be dealing with PL I'm just a little
worried for what this PL is gonna do this is a hero that usually he has an
okay lane and then he's fine for like first 10 minutes and then this year
disappears he's gone like you don't see him for good 20 and then with five six
slotted hero he becomes really strong I'm just not sure if they have enough time
to do so. Lucky Spirit doesn't really have time progression right a lot of
them play will be a bat pick off a beast pick off once they get online they play
for ages so as long as army can really just lock in his farm I'm expecting him
to have at least a good window of the game to get there it's just like if he
buys the wrong item if he goes like a heart when he actually needs let's say a
SCARDI. These type of choices, I think his game can fall flat, but I just hope we get to see
Yatora and Armey with like four items each. Like I want to see like the proper carries in play.
Yeah, also this matchup is a bit different now with carry to carry matchup because you don't build
into the fuselblade on PL, so you're not burning mana on Phasus Void, something that he really hates
to have against him. And I want to see it because this is not the matchup that I've seen in the
the long time. Final question, is Silencer good in making the real PL known? If you get
Agged then you technically would cast the real one. And also you can just global the
real one. Technically, yeah. And they could do some cool stuff, yes. Okay, we're gonna
find out how this game is gonna play itself out. Let's head over to Snare and Lizzie.
Game 2 of the modern L Classico will resume with Yatoro on the Faceless Void, Armei on
the Phantom Lancer, Classic Heroes for both of these carries, and in this game list, let's
not beat around the bush, right?
We heard Captain Locas say, well, PL needs time, we've got time, we're going to be here
for an hour at least.
If we learn anything from history in our previous game, then yes, definitely, this is a 60 plus
minute game.
Faceless Void usually does take it kind of slow.
This is sort of a carry that we don't really see very often, but unless your lane goes
extremely well for the faceless void, usually you are playing for the late game, for those
big chronos, for the big items, and speaking of those chronos and items, I think he's
going to need them.
Not a lot of damage in the chronosphere.
They have a lot of catch, a lot of different ways to take teamfights, but the chronosphere,
it's all up to the void to deal the damage in.
of Void, Yatoro also knows that this game is going late. Not wasting time with some
Maelstrom, we're going Battle Fury baby, we're going to scale on the Void.
Bell Fury, Faceless Void is a choice for sure. He has his reasons for me right now, Maelstrom,
so good on the Faceless Void. Even me only versus Phantom Lancer feels good, right? Of
course with the Battle Fury you get some splash, but you are losing some things and one of
So those are of course the attack speed, the procs that you aren't getting early on, considering
that he's going to be the main damage dealer in the Chronos here.
Let's see how he fares with the battle fury.
Also isn't normally static field really good against illusion heroes?
Yes it is, that's the reason as well, why I'm talking about it.
But yeah, we shall see another mid lane, Larl Beastmaster.
This master to me feels like one of the filthiest heroes for quite some time.
He got quote-unquote nerf in the last batch and I feel like he's stronger than ever.
It's always like this.
You say, oh, we're changing a hero and then it turns out, well, still eminently terrible.
At least you've got side to face to sort of deal with the boards if you remember Spirit.
There's a couple of Spirit matchups of course with the Beastmaster.
I feel like Ember is maybe a bit better to play than Storm and Void.
avoid every time I see Beastmaster into these zeroes they're doled under a tier
two tower three minutes then. What do you make of them making the decision to put
the silence atop instead of laying in bottom? They did the same thing last
thing right? They moved the silencer on more or less not really a position 4
but he's playing from the other lane. No bottom, FY, can't do a lot of damage,
army, can't really save him, your Toro, just gonna try and get the right clicks out,
One more hit is all they need room with the reactive taser secures the first blood in the bottom lane
The active taser is a filthy spell by the way this this thing that has been given to techies for free by the way without the shard I
Don't get it most heroes lost their facets or they were kind of moved into a shard or something for techies
Yeah, here you go
What you have before and on top of that you can cast it on allies you can this
This spell, this arms, this spells, it gives you some movement speed bonus as well.
I mean, it deals damage too, okay.
Yeah.
What does it do?
It should apply a global silence.
X, X, X has at least still been able to find some form here.
Not necessarily a lane where Pango is expected to die here.
I know you're not normally a fan of the off-lane Pango layer,
But under these circumstances, you should be able to find some decent form.
Yeah, he should be. We'll see. It seems like he will be going for the mage's lair.
I feel like the fusel blade, this game, into the faceless void would be pretty good,
with an eventual disperser, even on him, for some extra dispels versus everything on the other side.
But okay, mage's lair, of course, has a ton of value.
We'll see how his lane goes, because if you get out of position, suddenly time dilation, you know, this isn't an easy lane.
Top lane, we did see that, Panto ended up winning the war for the Lotus, picked it up, got the last word out on Xnova as he was diving.
Maybe one of the reasons why they did put the silencer on top is the support matchup.
Much, much better for the silencer versus Phoenix than it is for Techies.
Techies doesn't really interact all too much with the Phoenix, doesn't do a lot to him.
Even just the last word is very problematic for Exnova to deal with.
Down bottom of course.
Rue on the tickies, also playing with a lot more armor than the Phoenix right?
You see, push rack thrown out but whatever.
Just to stop the pull maybe, that was the idea, to prevent the pull from happening.
Nova, putting pressure onto Panto, will be able to find that kill and Batjio coming over with the Firefly.
You actually might die for this.
Brutalons available in a second but there's no boots on Armay so you can't chase down the Batrider.
The stop lane is very volatile, and PL hasn't been played and isn't played all too often.
You see him in pubs now, as Satanic is making it a bit more popular, but always has been decent versus bad.
You have a lot of Spiritland spams onto the Batrider, like you can get rid of the stacks with the doppleganger as well.
Also, since you buy Mantastar, it goes into the spoil against the Global.
a lot of benefits that it's like these guys know why they're lasting oh I
actually get solo killed by nothing to say but you want to run up to him with
the boys gonna try and stand this but nothing to say it's too far away you
will live one extra while Axis spam is all that was needed but you will not get
it
you're looking very close you're gonna go try and collect the bouncy but Panto
So it's onto him, almost got there in time to kill off Nautilus.
Just a second sooner and he couldn't have gotten that solo kill on Ember.
He's about to get destroyed, but it's probably going to cost the life of FY.
Look at Fush like an acorn shot!
He pops the magic stick afterwards, he's actually still alive, eventually he will die to the
right click, but absolutely worth it.
Courier and the kill, and he opens up the chance for XXX to drag the wave away.
Yeah, you know, when you give someone a shard, usually, for free, it's not enough.
Why not give him an extra bomb that he drops when he dies?
Which did secure the kill there, by the way, nothing to say mid.
Can you get silenced up, but not brought down just yet, they even brought Xen over, over.
Just to make sure that they can protect this Ember Spirit and keep the tower alive.
Everyone is here, it's the minute 6, the room spawn timer, right?
Ember does not have a level 6 beast already does, so...
A good timing to secure the rune for the Beastmaster.
That rune is going to be an illusion rune spawning on the top side.
The Beast doesn't look like a high gas dog, I'll take it, but whatever.
I have to walk all this way for an illusion rune.
It does respawn. It's a nice dispel of course if you get caught by steering chains or something.
Still alright.
Stop playing Batyok, you got pretty low but...
Should be fine, I mean...
It's so great, X-Nova is actually gonna dive in but Batyok is far enough away there shouldn't be a problem.
To get the last word from Panto out onto this X-Nova Phoenix shouldn't really threaten.
And I'm like bro, just do what you need to do, just don't expect me to come over, fuck you.
Stop.
Bot lane, XXS, coming away, back to tasers there, but they chased him underneath the tier 1 tower, still had a fairy fire to play with, so it wasn't really gonna die there.
Seems like he will be given the opportunity to take the wisdom shrine, so Void and Techies will not be connecting on the other side as well.
There's gonna be a bush rat going out onto this Batrider.
Army does not care.
I'm just gonna kill Creep's Panso, did get the Lost Word out and a Blood Grenade on
the hoodwink.
I'm not gonna be able to chase him down and now Panso's the one that's in danger.
Army will die for us.
Army finally will show up, throws out the Spirit Glance, brings him low.
Panso dies.
Extreme gaming.
Played that very, very well.
Joining in.
You cursed the AFK carry.
actually joined the fight.
That's your top net worth right now. Has access to these power trades starting to
build into the Yasham? The heroes that played against him in the lane don't
really do a whole lot. Like Silencer of course if he's trying to harass the PL
at best he can spam Blades of Izdan like he cannot spam the other spells
because doppelgang gets rid of basically everything. So PL has had a pretty good
laning stage so far.
And the Spirit will pick up an Amplifier damage room.
Oh, look at this Batjuk, he's actually gonna try to dive onto Ami right now with the Firefly
forcing out the full Double Ganger.
And he's building into the Vale of Discord first on Batjuk.
That's an interesting item build on the Bat.
I haven't really seen this approach from Batriders recently.
Mid lane.
Have a little bit of a skirmish perhaps in the jungle.
Panto has a blood grenade thrown towards him,
Ami is making his way over, uses a phantom rush,
they'll kill Panto.
Batyuk unable to find the immediate defense,
so they got the silence out onto this Phoenix.
Lasso is available, he wants to chase down the Phoenix.
X nowhere, he's picked up the Banyu rune,
Ember Spirit though is coming through and so is FY.
Batyuk tunnel vision, I'm trying to get a scrambled X
for breakfast and gets punished for it.
Call me crazy.
Couldn't he just turn on Peel?
I think so. PL had no mana, no HP, he was stunned. It felt like there's an opportunity to just lasso the PL and go for that kill instead.
Not okay. Tunnel visioning on the Phoenix.
Gattaro, let's put some arrests on XXX after hitting him with time dilation.
I'm a bit sad we haven't seen at this tournament the position 4 void.
Yeah, the 4 void, the other 4 void.
Oh, the roll angle will put the first chrono of the game directly up onto this pangalia.
Does have rolling thunder still.
There at the back.
I actually want to try and use it for a fight, but the odd, primal roll comes in from Lowell.
He didn't expect that on XXX.
He thought he could maybe turn with FY helping him out.
First rotation surprised him.
When you can't get any of the time lock procs, it's broken.
I saw it in the description, doesn't work at the moment.
Opening hour is a little bit later.
Still on cooldown.
Yep.
The roar is a better time-lock after all.
Take this, eh?
Thankfully, there is no roar available, so he is able to just quickly get the haste drone,
bottle it up.
I try to use it with the Phoenix and just move to the top side of the map.
Double mage layer, by the way.
One on the ember, the other on the pangled ear, as well for extreme gaming.
Bad joke.
His life is forfeit right now, and the spirit pops the haste drone, chases him down, and
the用o is flying over these cruvasses.
They have the doppelganger.
They're not chasing him, they can't catch up to him.
Too far away.
Not quite forfeit for now.
However...
He's back, eventually the Firefly will be ending.
FY now on the killing spree.
When they lose his courier almost, but maybe now they try to freshen the CO1 tower.
They have three heroes CO4 in fact with the siege wagon.
The early game is really converting for extreme gaming.
And there is this one thing that I saw immediately in their trap.
An abundance of catch, but their damage is very lacking early on.
Even the silencer has a last pick, just another utility, global silence, but not a lot of damage.
They need to find a way to survive before Beast is online.
After he has axe, okay, it's a bit different, but up to that point, I feel like the map is kinda free for extreme.
What do you mean the map is free? The game is free, bro. We know we're going to game 3.
3. I mean now you cursed it.
Ravoror thrown out onto Empress for his middle, did have the flame guard up at global.
That protected him a little bit, but the global silence ensures that he has no escape. He ends up losing his life. However, Larl might not be allowed to escape.
Supernova will burn him down, XXX will finish him off.
Within the trees at the very least, the techies does escape, but they end up trading core for core.
Supernova was used for that one, so that's a large cooldown that XG had to
come in. But on the other side, Global plus Roar, just as much value, maybe a bit
shorter on the cooldowns, but still pretty pretty big ults have been
committed on both sides.
That's not changed man, he's gonna stick to the idea of getting into the battle
I like his build, I guess. Let's see, Manta will be the next in line for him and actually an Aghanim Scepter afterwards.
Okay, so having some AoE I suppose is the idea in the end, right? AoE vs all the illusions, you can jump in and out.
and...
Okay, pretty good.
Time lock on all the illusions.
I don't know, for me it feels that this matchup is a bit better right now for the PL,
just because of the item build that he goes for.
Eventually, sure, he doesn't go for the fusel, and that part of it is not as great.
Even though you see PLs go for disperser eventually,
I think the item that does make a difference is actually the Orcid,
that you see very often on the PL after Aghanins.
Manta, Aghanin's, then Butterfly, maybe Orchid, we'll see what he decides to go for.
Oh, MKB queued up by Yatoro, anytime soon just yet, so it will be a window of opportunity for that Butterfly.
Yeah, we're still quite far away from it.
But now, they are rotating both supports down bottom. XXX has the rolling thunder.
It would be nice to be able to catch out Yatoro, but he's backed into a very safe area right now.
He's just shielding.
has Kronos here as well if needed defensively to get away
only Tekki that got a little bit closer to FYI might have been able to hit him with a bush
so I can try to get a kill but they'll content themselves with just applying pressure on the tier 1
they have their spells on radiant right team spirit they have global they have roar they have
chrono they have literally everything every big old but no resources
You see, Global Silence being hopped, you want to try and get Rue out of there, they don't,
he died, but the Chronosphere will allow you to do it, at least kill the Phoenix, no beautiful
bushlight, buys the time for the supernova to come out, he does manage to dodge the
shop shooter, but unfortunately he cannot do anything about this Ember Spirit Rouge,
nothing to say, game man out of nowhere, Pincet and man, they kill them both off, a wonderful
passage of play from Extreme Gaming.
Unfortunately for the Faces Void, even though the Chrono was good, he doesn't have the damage
and the control was there from the hoodlink. I kind of like the fate of that.
That's what we're going to do, we're going to go to the top side of the map, being very effective.
The lasso is not going to provide enough damage and control to kill off FY.
If I die to the Spirit Launchers, FY on both sides of the map having a huge impact.
It's just everywhere so far on the hoodlink.
Pretty damn well.
I have to respect the idea from the techies, by the way.
Baiting them on the high ground to use his ulti and just increase the damage that's possibly going to happen
with the faceless void going here, right? But Bushwag just late.
That was so sick. And Yatoro literally mid swing before the corona ended and the supernova came out.
Arguably, even if he gets that kill, he dies after. And he was connecting.
There's a bit of a difference between the mid laners. Ember generally plays a very active
game at this point, like 10 to 15 minute mark. It's his job to get these skills to find pickoffs.
On the other side, you just have a humble agonist farmer in his farm. He does have it now.
His crops have yielded fruits, so here we go. We'll see how he decides to make a movement.
Go to the outpost right now. Pantel's right there with the smoke.
But you might still want to farm now that he has the eggs until he gets the blink dagger at least.
It buffs up the farming, of course, quite a bit. You can decide whether to go for the
Blink or instantly smoke up maybe utilize your first drawer with with the smoke minute 16. Look at this trap
Beautiful trap being set right now. They check the steering chains out rolling thunder is gonna be there. It is a global silent
But that's why I can't get close till big jump from blue showed up with the blast off. It's rolling thunder
It's gonna get him back who does eventually die, but he's done his job. He's protected the life of love
They also throw out the Wild Axes which kill us next while it's a far end, very nicely done, but now Fjall is also getting involved, looking towards Batjuk.
He's actually here with Bloodstone, nothing to say, will he be able to get anything else?
Light of Fist, not going to be enough damage on the backlines.
XXX does kill Batjuk, but they lose X Nova as well.
First item, Bloodstone.
Okay, I mean, it's definitely a choice, interesting.
I mean, heals you up, right?
The active is very good. Spell weakness also not too bad.
You know Veil used to be broken versus PL.
Because when you use the active of Veil, it always shows the real one.
But the thing is, I don't think it works anymore on Veil.
And even if it did, you don't have the active anymore.
You know, it's just an aura now on the Bloodstone.
Make it become more clear as time goes on.
So I'm going to go for the Lotus Orb next by Batjot.
The tutorial, the spattle theory, starting to catch up to where P.L. was.
It's being left behind a little bit in the network department, but should be able to maintain pace now.
As they smoke up again from extreme gaming, they're not done with the aggression.
They scan perfectly on these heroes, and there's no global anymore.
Two heroes caught inside the steering chain, supernova-expended as well.
Beastmaster dies, Panto to follow him.
That is a very good usage of a scan to allow them to find the perfect location for initiation.
The location for the initiation was pretty damn good.
You know why? Because they see these master agonists, they know where he will be farming.
He's the one hero on the radiant side that takes ancients very comfortably, so they read his farming patterns very well.
Look at the mind field.
Nothing to see, gonna try to clear it. Oh, nice dodge. Doesn't get caught by the blast off, well done.
I've been noticing that throughout this entire series, whenever extreme gaming find a quick
pick, you always commit like 4, sometimes even 5 heroes to pressure the tower immediately
afterwards, isn't it?
I think you might notice it in this game again, because they are playing versus a faceless
player.
Whenever you're playing versus these kind of heroes, like a faceless void, even if you
lose a fight with a chronosphere, you want to force an extra objective immediately after
because it will be on cooldown right so if the game goes well for them we should see a lot of
map pressure from extreme gaming smoke up they have they don't have the blink dagger gs yet on
this beast master but do have batrider moving forward enix ikura's dive to the right hand side
they actually keep being in the ember spirits we'll be able to find the chains out with the
The backlighter will bring in the damage. Faceless Void is here indeed.
My joke is going to be one of the first to fall almost dead.
It's going to lie somehow. Yattaro though, points to the backlight.
He wants the CLs, wants to bring him down.
Global Silence is used. Yattaro pops the Cronus fear to make sure that they can get this kill.
But he doesn't have enough damage yet. Eventually, Armey will die.
But it's not going to be for free because they've already lost three heroes.
Nothing to say. Get some proper double kill.
That's the... there's a true rival for you. You know, as long as I kill you, man,
I don't care about anything else, it happens.
The carry rivalry is real.
He only barely killed him.
I mean, he doesn't really want to hurt him at the same time.
He was speaking about some rivalry, but they love each other.
You remember all the love songs and stuff, right?
It's like, I'm not surprised.
Of course, the damage output wasn't really big because of the item build that Void went for.
Like, he's going for this battlefury, and even though he does have some splash damage in this situation,
and he farms really quickly with it, the damage output on a single target in the chronosphere is really not that great.
He almost missed this skill. Look.
Almost, almost, almost.
Half a second away from this doppelganger being used, that would have been an absolute disaster.
You could still argue that this is a pretty good situation for extreme gaming to start pressuring the map.
Like we mentioned earlier, the moment that Krono is on cooldown, global as well.
I'm going to go right into the mid lane. Yatarou will jump forward, but if Kandui do too much,
Shot Shooter will put a lot of damage onto the silencer, he'll die to the acorn shot.
That was a lot of damage from the acorn shot by the way.
I love that nothing is saved, but with this early ULT, he leveraged that fight to get the ULT,
so Lovo won't be a problem.
Rolling Thunder onto Rue, not going to kill him off just yet, but with the Bushwack,
it provides the damage. FY, another double kill for this hoodwink.
Now, Homie is 9, 3 and 8, are you kidding me?
He's just... I told you that Icarus shot really hurt, and of course when he's level 12, level 4 Icarus shot, yeah, a lot of damage coming from that.
I love the ULZ as well, not only for the current state of the game, but the fact that he's thinking ahead.
Eventually, Wind Waker right into the chronosphere.
On bottom, Fajr, just running away with the Firefly.
We haven't really been able to see this battle to have any real influence on the game so far.
The attenuation as well is a little weird, not necessarily for this game.
But overall, what can you get in this kind of a game that will benefit your team quite a lot and will change the status quo?
You could argue that back in the day she was the best item to get into PL, it doesn't work as well anymore.
It doesn't have the bonus damage, I believe, versus the illusion any longer.
Overall, isn't as incredible of an item, but you still will buy it after the BKB.
There just isn't anything better.
Speaking of BKB, one has now been picked up by Larl.
They literally, I was wondering whether they're gonna go BKB first or the blink
because they are struggling a little bit with starting their fights unless your
throat just jumps in. No blink on Beastmaster, no blink on Batrider.
You know what as well, like this matchup of Void and PL we've talked a lot about it
but actually it's the Beastmaster that can deal with him, right? Because he has
always been this AoE monster. If he gets to all of his items, he can be the scary
one for PL to deal with.
ZPL does have now the man-tier agonims starting to build into that butterfly.
Okay, so he's going full tank mode, right? Like, get as big as possible so that killing him in the chronosphere is impossible in the first place.
We're gonna break this smoke, we'll die for it, like, protect this team from calamity. Definitely worthwhile for him.
Not like this lineup takes Roshan in special influence either, so I'm not concerned about
losing a larger objective because of this.
There's just demining right now.
They put their helmets on, their suits on, they're searching for mines.
They did clear the forest by the way.
Good job.
Another area that they can play in perhaps.
Bajuk, already used Firefly, not gonna be available to Bajuk's fire, and as soon as it goes down, he probably will see.
Let's see if he's out though, and he popped the global!
To protect him as he escapes from that gank.
Was it? It felt like he was out already, but okay.
Panto, better saved than sorry.
No global available, he's stream gaming.
We'll use this opportunity to keep farming up on NCS. He's gonna go BKB as well even on top of having access to the new concept
Maybe not as high of a value item this game for him, of course
but
He seems it necessary
Like everything goes through BKB when you think about it. There's global. There's chrono. There's roar. There's last soul
I mean, yeah
It's rough time to be a BKB, but
It's getting it anyway
I guess he just doesn't want to deal with techies, he's like this guy just keeps jumping
people.
Smoke, smoke up, they are behind your turret right now, peel is kinda close but you see
he sends an illusion, Yatu is not actually under the cover of the smoke so information
is granted, Ruk does honestly get a kill onto FY and with the help of this beastmaster
who did throw the roar out onto the hoodwink, it's a pretty big streak to be ending actually.
I don't think so.
The one thing that I am seeing from Techies, even though it's an incredibly impactful hero at the moment,
it doesn't have like a...
...characteristical item build per se, you know?
Like something that is going to bump up the skill set it already has.
It is more or less almost always full on utility.
which does make sense in a way.
My favorite.
He's supposed to use BKB.
No bachelor available on XSX, so he's out.
Yeah, but the utility is always quite nice, right?
Especially if you have item like Greaves.
Yeah.
So you just like double play with the blast off end,
get super low if they collapse on you, you Greaves,
you extend the fight.
That's very good.
Especially because you have the Thazer as well.
Multiple ways of dispelling,
and he is doubling down on his own utility.
But okay, Aghanim's faceless Void,
it seems like they're ready.
Aben affords them a 52% chance of victory.
See what this first usage of the Agonim self-proviator will yield?
Balance? 52?
Look at this observer that's on the triangle. They see so much.
They saw them smoke and they saw that Ami has just joined the fight.
So they are very aware what the possible positioning will be like for Xtreme.
There's a DD top. No one scouted it though.
Ah, the mines. The mines are giving it away.
What's from Ex-Nova?
Rolling Thunder, not gonna be used, there's a Chrono on the 3 from Yatoro, even better, push like Zodl from FY, we saw this earlier on, saving the fight, but there's no dispel to the Phoenix, ends up dead, last throw directly onto XXX, so he dies as well.
Phoenix, find back on Ex-Nova, trying to re-engage the fight, doesn't seem like that's gonna be possible, Army, just running away right now, Law was chasing him, he's trying to overmines.
You really have vision on top of him. The mines are going to flow, but the Phantom Rush towards the creep wave he does get up.
That's why, might be a danger, Flamerey pushes him back right towards Yatoro, who finds a couple of bashes. They do get the kill.
And Miss Brut able to jump away though.
Well, no Prime or Roar available, so can't hold anybody else in position.
But nonetheless, successful fight. They leverage all their ultimates, they win the engagement, and now they can go into the Roshan with this Beastmaster Agility.
But that bushwhack, it looked like it might actually save the fight, but not quite, not good enough in the end.
And it's so hard to move across the map and navigate when all these mines are just constantly hitting you.
It was, they had the perfect info on the side of Team Spirit, right?
Face this way, he wasn't guessing when he jumped in.
He knew more or less exactly where they were because mines are being constantly activated.
turn now within ages sitting very comfortably at the top of the network
shots now you're gonna start building into that mkb making sure that he has an
answer for the butterfly which is about to arrive on the area very shortly
so 2k gold lead for extreme though so not yet at the point where they need to
start panicking absolutely not the game is still pretty pretty close
you don't want to generally take it way too late versus Faceless Void and with
these ages you might just have to but PL you know not too shabby of a late game
carry especially now that you mentioned Butterfly is completed this whole fight
around the rush bit was at unfortunate timing for extreme gaming because they
didn't have the butterfly yet if they had it maybe PL just goes ham goes in
first and bates out the aggression
There's another item that's actually gonna help a lot, this rod of ATO is coming in from FYI.
It would be really funny if you rod him in the middle of his own clono and he can't move around.
Yeah, it's an idea. He does have Manta, of course, to dispel something off, but it helps.
An extreme still don't know about this observer watch. For me, I feel like this war won in that fact.
It did. It also gave them all the info of where they were heading in which direction
and then of course the mines on the ramp activated you knew they were in between the mines and the
ward so smoke up from Yatoro and the gang well the tour is not himself smoked up but Lall is
i'm gonna find anybody just yet all of extreme gaming are playing on a deep inside of their
jungle Yatoro in an ultraverse time walk and they get smoked up as well now maybe they go for real
Moving in between these towers.
So close to GMKB, but alright, they still want to fight before it even arrives.
If they could find the Phoenix, it's a pretty good pick-off immediately.
Phoenix?
Oh, the bad one that gets caught. There's a bash during the Icarus dive, so Phoenix.
Lotus isn't soft, it just arrived from the courier.
Activates the supernova, then he rolls up to face this void, but they still manage to destroy the egg.
Let's see if they can re-engage this fight. Last throw onto the rolling thunder, preventing X-XX.
I'm having any influence, keeping it stuck in the corner.
He escapes eventually, able to help bring down one of the supports.
Nothing to say, looking towards maybe climate deal damage towards the faceless Void.
While he's doing that though, we see Laurel isolating the PL, solo killing him effectively,
removing the lancer from the game, winning the fight for Team Spirit.
Faces Void refused to use the chrono in this fight. Why? Because his teammates are kind of melee,
they need all teammates, more or less. Beastmaster the only relevant one when it comes to
damage output at this point and
He is this Beastmaster is a nasty hero versus PL. We talked about it briefly earlier
And you saw that happening right here and through the game
It doesn't truly change all too much
Especially because of the atomization that Beastmasters can go to like they can either
Double down and all the AoE damage
Currently Beastmaster has AC and Manta queued up. I love this like it's pretty good like
This is PL, Naga, these kind of heroes, we always wanted Shivas and AC, Chrono.
Okay, not gonna be enough damage initially to kill, so he should be able to swap away,
no he doesn't, it was swapped down, time walk forward, ahhh.
That time walk with the agonins actually just makes sure that there is another time lock
no matter what, so gets the kill anyway.
That's a big deal, XXX.
When Invinent had lost fights, he came through the rolling thunder, looked like it might have
been decent, but just got hard-off played by Batrush.
just lasted him a lot of super far away part of the fight moved move the ball away basically
it's over you want to play no go go play in the other courts you know the big kids are here
he's good they feel like that we did a fight right now with Gatoro just charging forward with
his ages don't left for one minute no chronosphere though
80 seconds to go for the Chrono, wait for the Isle of Skadi next, and this PL, I guess
we're seeing like the, you know, that's sort of these carry differences, like PL is farming
very well, but his ability to just solo a fight, or just be like, lock on 1000, you
will die no matter what, you're not really there just yet.
They're not there yet because of the item choices which are natural for him.
Right now he has queued up both the heart and the orchid. If he goes for the orchid, there is a solo kill potential, at least on the supports.
If he goes for the heart, the game continues the same way it has. You're becoming tankier, but we are starting to hurt harder and it's harder because there's just so many items coming from both sides.
Scalty has to be the orchid. Given that you can just rush onto Panto, find him, silence him, prevent the global from emerging.
I feel like it would be the better option, but he has a heart recipe already in the courier, so I doubt that's going to be the case.
Which is kind of interesting, he bought the recipe by the way, immediately.
Oh, he's Paul's coming in from Panto right now.
His team, as the ages expire, I'm just going to pressure the TR2, they should be able to
take it.
He's even going to carry the recipe around in the backpacks, so he's basically telling
the enemy team, okay, this is what I'm buying.
Maybe it's a debate.
He just keeps the recipe there because it's the cheapest part, and then he's put back
all kids.
The five hat play, yeah.
I mean, it would be a cool play.
he actually does that that would be like one of the most next level plays I've seen in a while
you are gonna get back into the game you do also now have the aggonyms being queued up for this
ember spirit as took a gold slowly working his way towards the eggs eggs in this sort of a game
is good for multiple reasons but just being able to break smokes go into backlines catch heroes
They eat the spell or two, would have a pretty high impact if you could get it fast enough.
The tier 2 tower top is claimed. There was some wave pressure coming into the tier 2 bottom for
team spirit, but we'll return. We'll deal with this. A couple of axes and some beats of the
drums. Creepwave is gone. Man, look at this nonsense man. Look where FY is, the little
minefield around him, just stuck on this beauty.
He doesn't really need a jump for this of course, but he's got it
making sure that there are no mines around us.
Nothing to say, nothing to say, nothing to say, nothing to say against Krono.
He got basked on the time warp in as well and gets Krono for his effort.
Game is hard, Ember's bird in the grave 75 seconds, doesn't buy back if needed.
But that's unfortunately something you just run into when you're playing against Lace this way.
He's been doing a really good job so far, making sure that the waves are pushed out, making sure that they cannot be locked in on their side of the map, but this is the danger, always, you're playing with spaces for it.
If you aren't chronicled instantly, then he time walks and it's a guaranteed time lock because of the eggs, so...
Not an easy game to play for the Ember spirit.
Game is starting to run away from XG at the moment, 6k behind viewer.
Let's have a blink dagger on the back rider, so...
Now all the cores have sources of initiation.
Is it also harder to isolate pants off? All of these heroes are jumping on top of you?
When do you have the opportunity to wrap around, get to the silence, and stop them from popping global?
You shouldn't have a chance.
If you're playing the silencer right now, you don't even have to show your face in fights.
Oh, you're fix?
Action time.
Being stalked by the techies and the beast monster, but manages to get out.
Baster, agonist, going for octarene next.
More or less the standard build on the pangolier.
Here and there you could buy the fusel, I guess, but...
So that army is not next leveling.
Just went and purchased the heart straight up.
He's still farming, he's still finding a lot of space.
The way the texture is playing makes me feel that they completely believe in their late game.
They just have faith in it. They have faith in the PL, perhaps a couple of other heroes as well, not only PL.
But they're waiting to scale.
Another role.
Looking for somebody here with Panto. Assessing them in this rewarding mission.
If they don't kill the PL in the Chronosphere, usually I would be worried, but with all the
AoE that they've got, I feel like they can even afford to miss a spell or two, then still
have this Aghanim's Time Lock from Faces Void, and the Aghanim's from the Beastmaster.
it might be enough all of the technical spells is can does trigger tp out over there
that's no good school and this feels like they have no allowance to proceed
beyond the river soon as anybody shows lawless there or that was there looking
to immediately bring you down faceless with about to complete his butterfly by
By the way, it is flying out to him, so Orcid is not enough anymore, you need a Bloodtorn
now to deal with him on top.
Nothing to say, being very scared in that mid lane, you saw the Fleece's great time walk away.
Now they're actually gonna think about finding a quick pick off so they can go into the Roshan pit.
It has Aghanim's at least now on the Ember.
They have Aghanim's, they have Heart on the PL.
Oh man, they are a hundred gold away from the Octurino and Pango.
It's heartbreaking.
But they haven't started doing the Roaches yet.
This is the last one.
We'll get the last one out onto army.
This is the worst possible target.
Krodow, right on top of him.
Fy, where are you?
We need you.
The Global Silent will come out, but it's too late to save him.
He dies.
Fy offers himself up as a secondary sacrifice.
Yatoro with a double kill.
Fy, god, could not get off the Dispo.
could not find a way to save his carry, so we're down to heroes on the side of Xtreme.
FYI is just carrying so much utility, you know, the glimmer, the greaves,
he has the greater healing Lotus, he was probably hoping for another bushback play,
where he stops the voice from hitting PL, maybe heals with greaves and Lotus, but
he died way too quickly, they didn't react on time, and now, yeah, they don't have the chrono,
but you don't have your carry or your position 4.
That was a gift by the way, the best possible chrono that you can imagine and it only caught
a single hero, but that's the only hero you have to catch.
It's an over.
Quite a bit of damage here, nothing to say, trying to just pepper the most side offense
to force them back, but this is Beastmaster who's helping with this push, so it's gonna
go way too quickly.
Mid lane of Variks being taken and there's nobody on the side of XD who can even like
Going behind and trying to cut some of these waves.
FXX.
Eh, just shooting up, making sure the button still works.
There's no way they try to make an aggressive play while the PL is down.
It's up in 10 seconds, so they do lose a side.
But they should have a fight in them, right?
There's no Chronosphere, maybe they can force a fight around the...
around the pit.
Seems like they didn't know this as well. They're not going straight into the pit.
Making sure that you still have the requisite control, maybe find another pick off first, but...
This is by the way where Techies truly shines, right? Like how do you find what is the right angle?
You have to activate at least one mine somewhere.
And look at... Seriously, look at the line of... You see this yellow line? That's literally the line of mines.
You see it? Any ramp that you step on, somewhere, there's a mine that's going to be activated, and it's right there. They know now.
It's amazing that even without Lone Druid, Team Spirit, find a way to play Haram Dota, the low pocket lobo.
BKB activated by the Batrider, looking for the escape actually, not going in.
Final roll, thrown out with Alasto onto the board of XXX.
I was going to say it goes in with the Aged Inceptor, but they just don't have the time to do anything.
Finally, Armey will get involved, but what's he really doing?
Look at the AoE damage from Lollin' Yotaro.
Armey needs to rub the hell away, but he doesn't even have to do so.
He's just dead.
Double kill for Loll.
He gets the jump back onto this Ember Spurge who's trying to punish Pancho,
but he just doesn't have the damage to do it by himself.
Trying to TP out right now, he will manage to do it.
X Nova in the patch, he'll do it.
GG's already cold. Extreme gaming!
Time and time and time again.
They have proven that unfortunately, they just cannot.
He used Chrono by the way right now after the AGGs and I think that's one of the reasons
the AGGs.
Chrono wasn't even necessary for this fight.
They won it without the purple ball.
Just a beautiful gameplay from Team Spirit.
Everything was on point from the draft to the statistical execution, map control, haven't
seen better in a while.
Perfect game from Team Spirit and that will earn them a birth in the playoffs to break
down exactly how they got there.
We send it back to Shiva and the gang so they can tell us about this incredible game
Thank you very much
It might not have been as much of a back-and-forth
Compared to game number one, but team spirit takes this to a very well deserved
This one was a lot more clean towards the end than the other one
Yeah
I think for it just showed just a lot of just calmness throughout this game
But they even though PL was having some pretty decent farm they identified guys
We just need some items. Beastmaster of Aghs can deal with the PL, the Void going for the Battlefury into Aghs also can deal with it.
Like there isn't a problem in this game. Just get the farm, we can win. And that's exactly what happened.
Yeah, pretty much they understood what the problem is going to be. Like this silencer pick as well, something that they've been forcing feels really good for a couple of reasons.
It allows you to like build into items that you don't want to be building yourself, like the Yule Scepter on
on Ember Spirit, which is not something
that you want to be getting.
And also makes the fight so much more difficult.
Like Phoenix, people try to figure out
how to remove effectiveness of this hero
because the hero has been highly contested.
And this is one of the old school counters.
Every single time the fight started,
they wanted to get Phoenix straight away,
make sure that he doesn't get to Noah off,
and then he buys back,
they don't even get anything done afterwards.
It was just very difficult fights for a stream gaming.
I mean we've just seen three fights in a row in this highlight package where like PL has just done nothing, right?
He's got like 20,000 plus net worth. One fight he just gets lived by the Beastmaster.
The next fight he gets lassoed by the backrider into a chrono and also doesn't get to do anything.
Like PL, it's the elusive hero that wants to kind of play really low fights, survive the chrono and do growl.
But you're not doing any of that. Like look, he rocks up to this fight, disappears.
Like he's gone man to butterfly, he's gone for like the damage build.
there's no tankiness to his name so yeah just kind of the the picture didn't work out and
that's about it spirit just just crushing game two yeah this was it's actually kind of sad I feel
like X Nova two games in a row playing that phoenix and he kind of didn't get to really play phoenix
they focused in so hard yeah he did a lot of work for sure um I just don't think army played a very
good series um this time around even like in the previous game the 72 minute game like there was
So many chances to win, Army didn't really step up this time. He calls for the PL, finished the game 2-4.
He just wasn't having the best carry day. You compare that to your tour, like the lone druid doing like 30,000 building damage, the void as well, statement error.
Clearly, it was a bit of a carry diff in this match.
Yeah, it definitely felt like they were running out of options as well. In this last game, what they could actually pick, nothing would feel good playing into Chrono.
That's always going to be a downside
Playing into multiple BKB piercing tools
So they opt to go for something that builds into like early to spell he still had like 14 minute Manta, but yeah, Yatharov just
That's a standard like whenever he plays faceless void. This guy just owns
It's always a menace to deal with and this time around he did go for battle fury as his main item
This is the farming tool and also very good against the illusions ever since we nerfed mule nerf illusions as well
So you don't deal the extra bit of the damage and then opt to go for agatam scepter in and out of the fights multiple
Time just be super annoying and have that extra bit of a damage on it
Yep team spirit making it to the playoffs
They also do so with the fresh face amongst their mids and it's but you can we get the chance to talk to right now
But you congratulations on the best of three and of course make it to play of how you're doing
Yeah, thanks. Hi. I'm very happy that we can go to play off
Yeah, I am very curious to hear from you how you feel like you've been settling in with the team because obviously it's big shoes to fill and
Yeah, I was just wondering how you feel like the process of Team Spirit integrating you into the miss this tournament has been going for you
Yeah, it's huge experience for me. I'm standing for two tournaments. I'm standing collapse
It's kind of hard, but I'm trying to do my best and show my best performance also
It's been looking very strong. I have to ask this but you there has been rumors and you don't have to answer this
If you can't or don't want to but is this a permanent position for you?
Okay, it's good to have that out of the way
Yeah, I wanted to ask you like we asked the other offlaners about what's going on in current meta
Are you enjoying the current items that you can build from the off lane?
Yeah, I like this meta a lot. I think it's one of the best meta for POS3 right now. We are comfortable to play.
Is it because you can go like greedier from position 3 or why is that?
No, you have different play styles now. You can play ours, it's fixed but still playable.
You can play bank heroes like Slava, maybe Prime will be used. It's a variety.
Yeah, it feels really good. And we've been a bit critical about, you know, Timbersaw as a hero.
He didn't find much success so far at Valakia, considering it is your most played hero.
Like, why do you think it's good? Because you played it and you owned it in game number one.
Yeah, it's my signature. We see that it's kind of freedraft for three strange heroes,
and it's the best game for Timber, you need to pick.
Yeah, when it's a good Timber game, it's a good Timber game.
Speaking of game one, how much fun was playing game one having to play against the tinker, like the intensity of a 72 minute game?
Kind of hard because the game was kind of
stressful, there are a lot of complex from extreme and us but
Kind of happy. Okay, and then also Panto has played five games of silence now in a row
Is that nice for you? Because you're the guy going in, does it feel good always knowing
the global behind your initiation?
Yeah, we like to play with science, and as you see, enemies have such drugs that science
is OP.
And one final question from me. On Steam, you used to be called Gambit Paris, but you've
renamed to Gambot Paris.
I have some...
Why is that?
I have some
Unluckiness in my career and I decided to change my nickname. I feel right after the pop performance today
Maybe it can go back to Gambit Paris
My friend, I will change. Thank you very much
Important I got one more question for you, but you this is top eight here at Wallachia for you guys and
With all the other seven teams in playoffs
I was wondering if there is one team in particular you hope to face off against
There's no like off-laner you've looked up to you want to beat other than potentially collapse which you
Maybe I
Need to say top eight here
Well, you don't have to, if there's one other in particular.
I can say maybe top three, maybe top five.
I think it's under Tide, Slido, maybe in some games Night Stalker,
and maybe Assumption to forget.
Well, that's fine, I'm happy with this list already.
I think it's enough.
I'm sure we'll talk again about the zone. Yeah, thanks. Thank you. Not entirely what I was asking, but I'm happy with the answer, by the way. Yeah, we got we got some see. Yeah, we got the sauce out of him. What's good, yeah, normally you would not get an answer to questions like that. So test if they're going to watch the stream. They have a coachers because if they start giving away the
Not entirely what I was asking, but I'm happy with the answer, by the way.
Yeah, we got some secrets. We got the sauce out of him. What's good, yeah.
Normally, you would not get an answer to questions like that.
A test if they're going to watch the stream, they have a coach.
Because if they start giving away the heroes, like, come on, guys, you got to watch the panels.
We're giving you so much critical information.
So much information. There are only eight teams remaining.
You want to close the book a little bit on the extreme?
Because they did fall here. They got eliminated.
They were so close, but also so far, kind of the classic statement, yeah, I don't know.
It wasn't an amazing day. That's all I got for them, really.
Yeah, I always want to see them do good, but I always feel like I get disappointed way too many
times, but there's always hope in the next tournament.
Well, and Xtreme has been on a little bit of a hot street because they came third in Birmingham,
so it's not like they're doing bad. Actually, they've been roller coaster.
Yes, I'm really well, and then I think we had a graphic for them because they do well. They do bad. They do well
They do bad this bitch is not oh anybody do the mass. Oh
Is it in sync for today? Okay, so they do bad. Well, you know, they do bad here
Yeah, the next they're playing in his dream league. They do good dream league. Yeah, the next they're playing is blast
They do good a bad blast. That's lost it and then after that is to I
Yeah, they didn't have to play qualifiers
They might be quite okay. Let's just okay. You know for the sake of the story. Let's assume they're qualified. Yeah, which then means
Ti
EWC
Good, do you see bat? Yeah
Normally in between EWC and ti there's a snow Rui
Save wait hold on what if they play the qualifiers?
They then play the qualifiers in the qualifier good go to EWC bad who cares then
Qualifiers
We just were talking about how we don't count qualifiers and qualifiers they qualify
No, but we fuck out the qualifiers the qualifiers matter
You can't you can't you can't you have to tell them if you don't because they don't have to play they get invited
They're so good
No, no, good. It's good. It's good
They do bad that's no really and then you're putting all your chips in a tournament that we don't even know exists true
I feel like my my my belief was like we know what's happening
They're not in la here. We know that a lot of copium. Yeah, there's a lot of coca. Ask wonderful
Now they might they might be breaking the curse anyway, you know, they might be doing good from here on out every single tournament
That is nice, but not this one because they're out. We can take a look at how the swiss bracket has come together
we started off with 16 teams at the first round and we made our way to having only eight teams
remaining. And I think one of the bigger storylines of the Swiss bracket is seeing Yandex and
Tundra being the first two in little things. Why are you laughing? That was so not on my bingo card.
Like that was the very furthest down that I could possibly imagine. They want enough. We want to
I mean, I'm not
Wonderful
The show and not having to talk about these teams is very nice
And if they was like that, you know the TI predictions was like zero point X percent have still been able to achieve it
Yes, oh, yeah, probably would be at zero percent if we had those predictions for this tournament
Like that. I don't think anyone in the Dota community would have put these two teams
Maybe one, you know one of the two a hater
but not but yeah exactly one guy who really hates these guys but whoof really really impressive bracket
and even like navi right they were two one losing to spirit they were very close maybe to beating
them which would have took off shape today and another story the cost i think having two teams
from south america it just makes me so happy it doesn't happen often but uh i feel like both of
these teams are gonna be doing well we have aurora which is gonna be matching up against
heroic and part of vision against you know I just predicted I guess like you
guys predicted that gaming is gonna be doing well it's not like we're revealing
a new hero in Dota.
That's a sad story!
Guys, don't chill.
Alright, let's bring out the bracket.
We're winning everything.
There it is.
Now spoil it.
Wow, it's actually real.
Yeah, so Paravision will be playing against
SA Rejects, which I think
Paravision are on top
of their game right now. There's a lot to experiment
from position 4, 9 classes
in the zone again, but I think they could be matched really well. Same goes for heroic
against Aurora.
Yeah, I feel like Herorick and S.A. Rejects have shown that drafts helped them a lot in
their play, and against these types of teams, I can see it. Honestly, you can see a little
upset here or there. Like a game, at least S.A. Rejects. Herorick, I can see beating
Aurora. That feels to me like a lot closer, but the bottom top right, immediately into
I think that's a good thing.
I think that's a good thing.
I think that's a good thing.
Top six feel very good and
another classic as well.
Liquid against falcons. Yeah
kind of is that get rid of it
as early as possible. Happy
It's in the first round of
upper bracket. That's perfect.
And then, of course, your baby
spirit. Also, you know what?
You know, get it done out of the
way. Happy days. I like that
bracket. That's nice. That's a
nice bracket. Healthy looking
They got one twoed and it didn't look like the two guys they lost weren't that great. So I'm hoping that they got
You know better chance showing tomorrow. Yeah, no for sure
They the game to gain through kind of exposed as he rejects quite heavily
So you'd like to think they can learn from that and improve and make a bit more competitive
But if you do use that series it is scary for them really scary
So yeah, hope they did learn from it. All right final thoughts on the group stage is like cost no pressure though
No pressure whatsoever. Kind of glad it played out like this where we're seeing new teams in top 8 as well
You can't fit in more than 8 in top 8 this but
You would definitely love to see maybe some other teams as well because they're always close
But they're not but yeah, I think the meta has been like figured out
I would say like 80%
But there's still a lot of heroes that I think could potentially be squeezed in as we're seeing today
we saw like tinker coming out as well, which may be not the best example because people
really hate this hero, but there's a lot of these that we could definitely play and we're
seeing some new tech coming out, which always makes me happy.
Very good. How about you Tiga?
We only had a set time allocation, Lacoste just used all of it.
No, you guys, it's my time as you want.
I have no thoughts at all, so thank you so much for watching Christ.
Back to you, Shiva, to wrap up the group stage and progress us to the playoffs.
Thank you so much.
The playoffs won't start any faster just because you didn't have anything to say.
It will start same time tomorrow, 10am here in Bucharest, Romania, of course live a little
bit before then to talk about everything that will happen tomorrow and everything that happened
today and in the group stages because there is still a lot to talk about, but not here,
not right now.
You'll have to wait for tomorrow for that one.
Thank you so much for tuning in and we'll see you again tomorrow for more Valachia season
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