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[A] Team Yandex vs. Natus Vincere - PGL Wallachia Season 9 - Group Stage - Round 3 High Matches (2-0)
09-22-2026 · 10h 01m
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Oh, yeah, there's you, my love, special, oh, Rajesses.
La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la.
Putte cu gheleata,
Kasa kasi rada,
Kasa kasi rada.
Papparu te rudi,
Papparu te rudi,
Sai i su si Rudi,
Putte cu ucioru,
Putte cu ucioru,
Oh
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and the tree line here that life it'll come out which means the triceratops will be killing
stinger very easily ravaged comes out might be the death of wyvern on the cliff right
now but there's the curse the last moment onto the terror blade see the thing they're
trying to chase out of support but they're going to be losing a lot here it does get
The Sunderrop onto the Bears, the Skinner's Bear does die once, the Farther does eventually fall because the damage is just overwhelming at this point.
In favor of Aurora, Frank, he is currently the tank with that Dragon Shell, but only so much you can do at this stage of the game when you're down 20,000 gold.
Searing chains continue to rain terrors, the Wacov actually very low, does have to be a big careful against the Ultra Kill, but the Swashbuckle brings his reign to an end.
The tier fours remain still, not for long, still 37 seconds without Parker.
Now or never for Cobra, the puck jumps in, a little bit of residual damage with the waning rent.
They find the death on the Oracle and as they dive back effectively for him,
no way to get back in the game, the Skeeter's Bear just focuses on the ancients.
them on the deck again, two-three down bottom,
and then jump in two-shot, and he's gone.
Got the BKB, they'll toss the hero so up in the air
and use that avalanche, but had a longer cookie
trying to get back, winter's curse on four heroes.
This is gonna lock them down for the follow-up
and to finish this game,
Sadadies will rip them apart, they bought back for this.
side. You see Lornoff charged up the ball, and Roche is going to have something to say
about this, beats that shit out of Lornoff. Omar, too scared to go in, understandably
so, this is going to be GG. They fight Omar in the back side, will eventually kill him
off as well. Now really entertaining series, I have to say. The Gale Force coming out,
his ghost does spawn, but they can just kill the buildings if they really want. His ghost
if it's back into the fountain, gonna be put in the cart.
Fortification comes down, BZF,
just a couple more right clicks to come.
There's a lot of damage coming out from game in the meantime,
but still, you can finish this ancient and they do.
I'm gonna buy back immediately and let's see the supreme it's on top of this act
But he's locked out by the shards and his pops here on the witch doctor
They got the ball back and X can they get the kill here to do the damage they're gonna go to joke
I'm not thinking of the answer. So now they've lost a couple everybody's buy back profit ends up dying
He's gone for two minutes
That should be it
I don't think they have the damage details available great push back on to
Snowball connects, Walrus punches there, and they are going to combine to get started,
and all falls apart for Mao's nemesis.
They're going to take this game, GG is called.
All the way behind, get to the top of the stage.
Three, oh boy.
Can the Dazzle help out?
Yes, he can.
All right, y'all ready, Meryl?
This is TP.
He steps out.
Can he stop the TP?
No, they can't.
He's able to escape.
He'll come back into the fight a bit last long enough, or just be there to defend the
the high ground, they can come to move so they have no more saves.
That one hits, there's the toss, Supreme is dead, and now,
oh, Rambo, pushback misses.
Hell, the same connects onto this Centaur,
despite the fact that this nature's profit got out.
I don't think they have the tools necessary for it to matter,
as they're going to get the kill of the boom.
They're going to look over, Supreme pops a new Katie,
they've got to spread around on the Lena, who popped the room,
bootably right onto him, toss him into the air,
4-2-3, more like dead, dead free.
And that's gonna be supreme hitting him with Chris Brownie pouncing his hand and the Centaur Wall on her
He were running from anything LSA connects to continue to lock him down Gigi is called
That's one way to kind of do yourself back in the game, but it's a danger now with the
You're not having a deal, you remember the coil.
Yeah, the TP is from Radiant.
Ah, it's gonna be far too late.
Kaka with the Nuke, the Vessel also to apply some extra damage.
If you're honestly opening extra person here,
they're gonna be able to secure the kill
beyond Lips on Over and now can turn to deal with the Viper last as well.
And you must think about showing up, but the God Shirt used previously.
He's really not going to do a whole lot.
Oh, and Kaka puts his body on the line to try and scatter, to attack these tanks, the mines, and guarantees.
But Jara's still in the party with his amp damage. So much, but the energy remits into the smoke.
The shackles are f**king hot!
What happened?
Another Mr. Dejka push one of the evil, what happened with the shackle, man?
Is that just the end?
Is the helmet just done? No one's going to buy it back!
Not a single person on Diab buy back FCR dodge for-
He will be able to keep his core, doesn't have to pop it.
Curs is going to be used to hold back Arme momentarily,
but Arme ready to still chase him forward.
They're looking to dive into tier 2's.
They take some jumps forward.
Sumail's going to try to turn and help out with the Dragon Tail.
On to XM, but another round and Zuck's Sumail now has to put the PKB.
Arme's diving into tier 3's, goes for Wizz.
Takes him out, he's going to get some extra raptor darts.
Come up to Sumail.
Get a double kill, Arme.
The dude has been dropped down onto the divide.
They're going to get the fourth to begin.
That setting tempo is something you don't really expect from this team so much, right?
They used to be a team that's pretty slow in terms of most games, but XM and QQ truly are the players setting their tempo.
And like you said, Hame, knowing when to turn up.
Two times back to back, I feel like maybe not enough respect given from LGD towards the XM.
Oh yeah.
You blend them two, there's two games in a row, you're gonna pay the price.
The game's over, the series is done. GG is called.
And he will.
I'm thinking about helping out.
But he realizes it's not going to happen.
So he's going to try and run.
But Riddies and got the juice.
He hits them up pretty far for this.
What's coming in from the side to try and help.
Well out here you need to run.
He's just going to chase down the Terrible.
The call will come out from PMA.
The Dune Damage is done, kills off got the juice, and now what's in the, oh my, they can clean up even more.
And showing the, the, the kind of the differences, quite great.
Got the catch.
I've got the call off BMA.
And there's probably their final right here.
As Nami, for everything they can, I'm next to try and get something. Can they at least get A kill?
The grave's up for Malady, they won't get him. The heals they're coming out, they're gonna call up onto them all, but again, the further heals from Malady, keep them all safe.
When she was looking for a rampage, she said, let him have it. He's one more kill, is he gonna get the rampage?
He went aww!
The rules spoke down to try and mount a defense on people's it's going to be careful.
We'll chop through us a star.
The attack is a little bit all good of initiation.
I'm just destroying the supports longer instead as well.
And now Lumiere, the rule, the gets going to protect him soon.
He's going to be able to get the force to get away.
what's going on the other side of the trony trying to deal with some of the other
heroes looks like creating chaos for the support spot he needs an absolute no-man
slam for the voyage through the journey to help the one that you don't look at one
dickhead still such a scary prospecting yep I reckon boys forced out
journey which is in sleep of the hacks also great hook shop that made you
buff the nature's profit video to follow up it's just not
they're gonna be able to kill pike there's one more
Still got the damage, it doesn't even matter without Pike, apparently.
Sotanic tries to do what he can, but it is just all under kid.
Welcome, Dota fans, and we are back for PGL Vlahia Season 9.
Lots of exciting stuff been going on yesterday, as you just saw.
That's called the Highlights Package, really cool.
Now join me some highlights known out over the course of the broadcast. It is Jenkins
He's sticking with me right like but they've switched up the morning crew and brought in one of my e-sports heroes
I knew it would be better. A lot of people don't realize this this guy was the number one
Highest ranked heroes the newest player of all time. It is Kezu. Why are you doing this cuz I love you, bro
and
And also, a lot of people probably don't know this, big Pokemon enthusiasts.
And one of the greatest Shorts creators in Dota history, kesu.shorts.com.
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You got the best educational content on there, aside from Speed Dota out there on the internet.
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Yeah, BSJ is good now.
Now, I've never done this.
I've never done this.
In my history as a host.
Wait, those are one of my packs.
Wait, I got those for him in China.
What I'm gonna do is catch if I like your analysis today this booster pack can be yours
Well, I'm gonna try for once. Yeah, I like that. Now. We don't know what's in there
It could be anything the rarest of polls. They're bad. We don't know we don't know but that could be us
So that's apparently apparently that apparently that's that's not very I think Jenkins bought me fake packs
So this might not even be right. No, I did not I went to a little chip Pokemon store. It's real. It's real. It's a real pack
They're just not very good. That's all this is cool. I like that
Which is more often I've never incentivized the death before but because I love you so much. I'd be amazed
What does he have to do to predict the last pick? No, I'll just know if there's a moment
You know, I mean, it's really good. It's really hype
Yeah, I'll pull the pack out and you can open it on there if I talk about a good flashbang
I can't hear you
Right, so why don't we talk about some of the hype things that happened yesterday? We had some
unbelievable back-and-forth games. I mean we sat through some of them and we just couldn't believe what we were seeing.
These are the results. Kezuo, because you're new to the morning, why don't you tell us what you enjoyed yesterday?
I enjoyed Yandex destroying Navi, because Navi going into this tournament, I'm like, you know, they're good,
they didn't make any changes, they've been grinding, you know, online and Yandex on day one didn't look that amazing,
but yesterday, that was disappointing to say the least, maybe even pathetic from Navi.
I think they have to step it up because I believe in this team. So, you know, I kind of enjoy the Amar just
Whooping the floor I'm gonna do it because like we got back. I'm doing it. Here we go. Here we go
We we got back from our section and we were like, okay
What we usually do is we chill we watch the games from the hotel
I can't believe LGD lost 2-0 to extreme. I genuinely can't why is that?
Well, because I just think the LGD roster is actually good. I think it's legit and no disrespect to
Extreme I think they're recycling all the players. I put it this way
I don't think anyone at home would have called that result actually
It's true
I would not have but the thing is the players that you're saying they're recycling are at least very good players
Mm-hmm because the nothing to say an FY they were not doing too hot in that roster before
But I may
That's right. Let's just pop it off. He did play well. Yeah, it's also surprising which is also surprising
I'm glad he said he's had a rough year. Yeah for sure. Well started
I just think the style is so anachronistic
I think you know you can't send army or one side of the map for
People to the other side of the map and say well, we'll see you whenever you're ready and he dies once and teachings out
It's like that is crazy
But ultimately that didn't happen in in that game
So I don't know if this is like an epiphany extreme of hard
I mean that we're all desperately clamoring for a Chinese team to reach out and and finally be good again
And give us that global game that we love
I feel like whatever team that is has to have Jinx you on it and he's on he's on this one
So like did this dude's just
One of the best and probably top three for like in terms of my favorite players to watch just like the shit that he cooks is
absolutely insane even even on current patch he's still I feel like the patch
fits him because all the fours are building to scale anyway so he's gonna
do that regardless even if it greaves to steam so it's great for him to be on a
patch or that's what everyone's doing already yeah I was saying that yesterday
he reminds me a bit of like the he's the top son of the supports where it's like
he doesn't really care what's good or what's not good he will make something
good with like his own scale with like a different idea and it just looks and
very well. Yeah. Well, also we can talk about some of the records that have been broken over
the course of the last years and other events. You can see here this is what we've got so
far. I mean, I am legitimately surprised by the number one. I just wanted to shout out
some of these new guys, you know, like they're coming into this walkie playing against some
you can see, you know, on me
Lornoff even tomorrow. These
guys are no slouches when it
comes to being at these tier
one tournaments, maybe on me
Lornoff more so you'll see them
on the records for a lot of
these tournaments, but then,
you know, Rince Q fairly new
Stokov completely new on the
tier one scene, at least in
just completely popping off in
his games for the for the least
deaths. I just wanted to look
at the difference between
the number two who's also on his team now, ATF.
This is really crazy whenever you have somebody
who is like so far ahead in terms of records.
In 1.14 is insane.
He's averaging one death per game.
Bro, smurfing.
Yeah, that's literally what it feels like.
Yeah, he's legit smurfing in these games.
And then of course, we gotta look at this one.
These are the, I mean.
That's a classic stat.
These are just the yappers of the team.
You know, the ones that are permanently talking,
He does hear this this come with me do this leave this guy is here
And it's also like when you watch some of these people's replays at least got the juice like it's like being on a roller coaster
I swear to God this guy he will make you nauseous the way this guy moves his camera
He's like feeding himself information on every corner of the map
Do you think that can ever be counterproductive? Obviously you've been a pro player. I mean what was your map activity like you can?
Overdo it, but I think you you need to be the ones to calibrate into it
So I think he's he's alright. Okay, and this is the GPM this okay. This is what I loved
Yeah, Watson number one in terms of least deaths. I'm a wasn't even on the list and he's still number one for GPM
He's dying. Yeah, but he's getting the job done. He's maxing his efficiency
He's getting a lot of kills in these games. He's playing good Dota and more importantly. He's playing active Dota
Yeah, this is a different army for some reason it took, you know, 10 ci's or whatever amount he's been to for him to
Farm on the same side of the map as his team and it's it's going great for him top gpm. Kerry fantastic
I feel like this guy has phases
I think he might be like the type of Kerry who is still somewhat emotional and like he needs his team to be like in the
Right vibe and mindset because I think when you look at him during ti
I think that was disappointing and it didn't really feel like him. I think maybe right now. He feels good
but he trusts his teammates perhaps,
so he's like, okay, I can farm, I can join in fights,
and I think this is a result.
Yeah, it was interesting actually,
because in game one, what he did was,
they sort of drafted the classic four protect one,
and I just don't think you can do that in this patch,
and in modern Dota, in a lot of ways,
and then they did switch it up to four,
you go around, you do things,
achieve objectives, get kills,
Army will see you in the mid to late game,
And it's definitely been working out.
So we'll see how extreme do in this kind of,
you know, it's a bit bubbly in terms of what we've got.
I have faith in them.
So anybody can get top eight here at Valahia.
Now, also let's talk about the meta
because it is a letter patch.
A lot of people on Reddit and social media have been saying
they don't think it was extreme enough,
But there have been some significant changes.
Yeah, there have been.
I wanted to look at, of course, the median match duration.
This is probably the number one thing
people are talking about right now is long matches.
It actually has gotten shorter.
I mean, 41 minutes in terms of Dota history,
it's still quite long.
I also wanted to look at the heroes picked.
So it's 109 matches for TI group stage
that we're looking at here.
And they had 98 heroes.
And we have 57 matches in 90 heroes.
So we're almost at that same record for the TI group stage with like half of the matches.
So it seems like people are experimenting a lot more and with the letter patch, you have
some of the things that were on the top kind of going down to the middle and some of the
things that were on the bottom going up to the middle.
And then we have this nice baseline of like lots of things are very viable.
Even heroes like Lich, you have some teams Sanger S tier, other teams completely ignoring
it.
had a 100% win rate at least yesterday, but Saber-Lite picked it once, it went super well,
and everyone's talking about this as a good hero, but it's only been picked once.
There's a lot of these heroes that are in contention for, oh yeah, they're broken,
but why is nobody picking them? I think it's also about a bit of the pressure. When you look at TI,
I think teams will want to stick to what they know already that is good, whereas I think when
you come here, some teams have stand-ins. I think you're a bit more open to, oh, he's very good at
this, like you're saying, with Saber-Lite's DP, let him have this, let him cook with this. I think
It's just nice seeing people maybe pick a bit more, I think, their comfort as opposed to,
oh, these 10 heroes are good and this is what you have to stick to.
Yeah, we talked about that a little bit as well in terms of, you know, the coaches,
they've got their ideas, but obviously when you're using stand-ins, you want to get a stand-in
maybe on a comfort pick, so you have to kind of draft around a hero you might not be used to.
And on that note, we can take a look.
Look at look at you.
This dog's wings with your big goblet.
This is the new this is the new meta.
And I'm really enjoying this.
The only thing that can make me more happy would be
if there was a lich on there.
I do.
He might pop up still.
Yeah, I do want to see more lich,
but I'm a big fan of the Dazzle.
And we've already talked a lot on the morning crew
about Dragon Knight,
because now you have the two builds, paths.
But yeah, this is what we've got, Kezin.
No, these are just great heroes.
I think you saw it first at TI from GH.
I think he kind of like brought Dazzle back into the scene right now.
Malady has very good success with it.
Brumas as well, undefeated.
I think it's mainly Zeal who's like pumping out the win rates,
but also...
Boom.
Boom as well.
Yeah, Boom is very good at Sableite also.
He could pop it out today.
So it's just good to see.
Again, like, it's different heroes.
There's been some time since TI.
The meta isn't said.
It's not like if you don't have a guy like Thompson at TI no one would even look at DK right now
I think same can be said for the Dazzle for GH. So you just want to have players that play their own side
I wanted to talk to you about Darkseer because we've had our opinions on it. Yes, and we you know go back and forth on this
Would you want me to tell you what we've been kind of circulating first and then maybe you can react to it
You would you like to I would like to react hard. You would like to react. Okay, so our
the
winner is very low but everyone is saying this is the most broken hero.
Our theory is that there is sometimes an over adjustment to a hero being considered
broken where people kind of say oh you don't need dark seer with combos it's just
good, it's just that good. And because of that people overreact and they have
opportunities to pick it with the really good synergistic combos and they just don't.
And they just don't they just go with it go with other heroes that are considered like broken maybe
But there is so much opportunity to have those combos and we saw yesterday one win
They picked like a perfect dark seer lineup. They had the spear breaker
They had some combos for like the vacuum and team fights like a carry
They had the carry viper right that was really good to like surge round and do stuff
And that looked really good and that looked like the broken dark seer
That's kind of our theories that people have like over adjusted to picking it the hero is absolutely op
I think it's like the top three best offlaners that you have right now
And I think you see a similar thing with undying's win rate
I think it's very low people saw collapse played at TI they're like whoo
I'm gonna press the K and that's all you have to do these here like Dota is a complex game
You don't just pick a hero press iron shell and it's like well, we're gonna win anyway
So it's absolutely like you're saying I think people they don't get it at least some players and some things don't get it
Because it's all about the combination and the adjustment so you were congratulations. You're correct
You agree it needs a combo then?
Well absolutely, I mean most heroes in Dota need like a group or like a partner
and Darkseer definitely, all of his spells are reliant on actually comboing.
You need to shell someone else, you need to search someone else
and you want to vacuum for a teamfight.
Right.
So you need the combination.
There's also an element of everyone's playing this in pubs after TI right?
And in pubs your supports pick first.
So you're always going to have like hoodwing glitch, like just generically good heroes.
You're not going to have Darkseer combos by the nature of supports having to pick first
And it still goes well, right? So people are like, oh, you don't need the combos.
But we're talking competitive, dude. Like, you have the opportunity to
get a free spearbreaker game and you already have Darkseer.
Because it's not like, I don't see new carries picked against it that would like,
shut it down. I think the only thing we do see is that people start try leaning against it.
So this is like something, if you are Darkseer, you need to be aware to not die level one.
So you need to like, adjust back and forth.
No.
What are you just saying? More analysis like that.
This could be your one step closer.
Now remember, it is a PGL event, so we have two screens you can pick.
If you don't like one series, don't worry, you can watch the other one.
If you don't like Jenkins...
It is. If you don't like Jenkins, you can just avoid Jenkins, which is what Kesley does.
But you can see working our way back, we've got Maus versus Hercory,
Pipsqueak plus four, versus Team Cobra, Conventus DeLarum, versus the Occult Brothers.
of this. Kessin can ask you about Team Cobra. Well, I mean, Parker just in hell.
Yeah, so he's obviously very good and I saw him recently like play pubs. I think
this guy is actually in form. The only problem is I think he falters in teams
where he may not believe in his teammates, which obviously could happen here
because I don't think they're performing too well. So I hope that he can keep it
together. They are something to watch. He for sure doesn't believe in his team.
Yeah, you're right. I feel good. Parker, you don't even have to be PC about it. He
He thinks his team is shit, like he could be on liquid and he'd think his team is shit,
but he has to think-
Actually, it's true.
He has to think that his team is like slightly shittier than him, and then he can function
on the team.
I guess that's why he thrives, right?
He needs this maybe.
Yeah, honestly, I actually think so.
I think this is the type of carry player he is.
Well, remember, they're all elimination games as well, so I think-
They gotta keep it up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they gotta keep it up.
And this is what we're gonna be preoccupied with on the main stream, again, working our
way back. LGD Gaming with that a
surprise, in my opinion, surprise loss yesterday to extreme.
I was kind of caught off guard by that one.
They're taking on the new look Aurora.
Navi will be taking on one win.
But to just start, we're going to be talking about team Nemesis.
We've even got their little logo there,
their little mascot.
We'll be taking on Gamer Legion.
Yes, there he is.
We've got the little guy.
I don't understand why that's a nemesis because it just looks like a shifty dude, you know
I don't know but he looks cool as hell
I would have it is cool if your name was like team shifty that'd be amazing team shifty. Yeah team shifty
This is where like if you do in this, baby, it would start crying and you'd be asked to leave the
Yeah, he'd be the first one to ever have to leave
So why don't we talk about team Shifty?
Obviously, we talked a lot on day one about Saber Light coming in, but lots of talent on this roster.
I'm a little bit surprised they're in this predicament, in this pickle.
I want to talk about Saber Light again.
You want to do it again?
No, we can talk about any of them.
Jack has been, Jackie Boyce has been very impressive in his games, honestly.
What has put out to you that he did?
specifically his tiny is insane like he plays with a
Lot of confidence like the dude is at your tier 3 is killing you and Shadowblade at I mean as soon as he picks the item up with
Like tier ones still standing. He's just a complete menace across the map
And I it seems like this is one of the strongest carry heroes right now
Oh, yeah, for sure and it's especially true for the like I imagine if you know Mickey was here
He'd be picking this hero every single game, but I'll talk about stable
like. That's what it's like when he's a team liquid. Everyone said, you know, save a heavy.
He's bad. Yeah. And then they brought him ace and ace was just as bad no matter what
you think at home. And now they've got an upgrade, but we're not going to talk about
that. We're going to talk about Saber Lago. Yeah, he's he's a God at this hero. He has
in every game when he had the opportunity to pick it, they have first picked it blind.
There's no counter. There's nothing like that. He's just first picking it and they're winning and
Everyone else is gonna be first phase banning Largo against this dude. So I
know Saber is the type of guy that he
Really likes to specialize in a few heroes on a patch and he gets this idea in his head that like
You can pick me this in any game and I will do fine
Like you can throw him to the wolves on Largo and he will be fine
You can pick him no combos on Largo and he will be fine. They have been doing it
Like they've been drafting really well around it and I think that definitely helps but you can see the confidence
It's so nice to have this in it in a draft when you have somebody you can just pick a hero like this. I
Do wonder how many of them are there and I would imagine probably a lot because he did play the death prophet, right?
So yeah, yeah, I was gonna say Kessu. I I think with sabre light. I think one of the things that was a
a factor on the Liquid team and one of the reasons why maybe he got so much criticism
was they essentially they sacked his game a lot they would put him on a sustainable
offline like a Centaur or whatever it would be and then they just leave him and be like
if you die three times it's fine see you in the mid game and I think that unfortunately
has given people this impression that he's not a good offline which isn't true.
It's definitely not true.
Also, if I think of Saberleid, his weakness may be that he is volatile.
So I think, slotting him into a team that had just one TI, which is what happened in Liquid.
I think he could be the type of guy where the pressure can get to him.
So being in like a stand-in situation, I think that's kind of perfect for him, especially at the start of a new season.
You've been grinding the whole time. You can show what you got like here with the Largo.
Because, you know, I think this guy is kind of popping off and he is at least slightly underrated.
I agree with that.
He was ranked one on the ladder before the resets.
Like the dude has been completely grinding.
We can talk about gaming, before we get into draft.
Obviously, RCY, we've seen his range of skills.
Yeah, this kid is good.
Oh, I absolutely agreed.
Look at this with the OD.
Like, first of all, like, OD's win rate is 54% in, like, 11 games,
but he is the reason that the win rate is even above neutral.
He is 3-0, and also his take on the hero is very different.
Other people aren't really buying agonist.
everybody else goes Meteor Hammer first. It's like this very slow, you know, I'm slowly tickling
you in the lane, then I get this Meteor Hammer. But this guy goes like Yasha first into Kaia,
they play very aggressive. He also runs around the map like a little bit more than other ODs.
So I think it's just, again, it's like this different take and having like a different
itemization here can really change how the entire laning stage or even the early game can be played
out. This NA's lost hope right here, just so you guys know. Ever since you left, he's the last
Yeah, exactly. Yeah me and BSJ. I mean we lost we lost our damn qualifier slot for ESL, dude
You know we need that we need it's actually true
We need gamer legion to pop off and RC Y is like our young guy from the region who everyone is saying like all these
Mids you hear them talking like dude RC Y
He's hard to lane against like he's really good
It's very reddit comment as well. Well, they were like this the owner game. We just have infinite money
Why is he sending these bums to a bet like man?
Do you want any to just like be forgotten about across the entirety of eSports because that's what we're really looking at right now?
So I always love when game elite generate these events. I always want them to do well
I think people like speed for example a great ambassadors for yes, you know content creators thinkers
They're always out there being
Transparent about what it takes to be a pro. It's just a shame. There's none of more
you know, aspirational element in the MA.
Well, that's why it's just good to have them.
And this could be one of the tournaments where, you know,
they can have a good placement.
They have a good shot here.
They can make it out of the Swiss stage.
So if they...
They've been the perennial of the Lahirs.
They've always been the two threes.
Yes. And it's really sad.
And hopefully this can be a bit different.
They can take advantage of the shuffle
and get in amongst it.
But Jenkins, as you said, there's the logo.
It's out.
They have not lost with it yet since since the they first started picking it. So
Yeah, we'll see if game religion has cooked a counter to it. Uh
Think they did lose with it once
They they lost with it once since they picked it against one win. They have not
Uh, they've not lost with it. Just because there'll be a guy already going. Well, actually actually thinking see i'm i'm like
To be fair that graphics said like in the last four games or whatever. I was very clear to pick out the
Yeah, it's fun. If he was very clear, Richard, you can't go back and look at your graphic.
You're right there type of Reddit post hating on Jenkins right now.
He was very clear. I'm going to make that clear.
He's always one.
Well, we'll be very clear about the segway this into dark willow.
I mean, these are just two very generically good heroes and strong with each other.
You can always, you know, do the the toss back through the brambles and both heroes
kind of like to take these like long in and out engagements, which when you're playing
against a Largo, those are pretty much guaranteed to happen, right?
I'm wondering, sorry, no, please, no, no, no, you're my eSports host hero, please.
Oh, you're my analyst hero.
No, I was going to say, if you look at the bands, you can actually see this is kind
of interesting because of the evolution.
You've got DK as a first phase band hero.
bounty hunter still being taken out even though we've seen bounty hunter kind of be a bit meh
yeah well yeah it's just a very specialized hero i think like yesterday god who was it
trying to think it was not the yandex series it was the one before
anyway like we had someone because bounty is literally the type of hero where you are
most pos4s are either ranged specialist or melee specialist and suddenly when you have like a range guy
guy play bounty where like it plays so different in these games it could look
really off yeah and that is what it was the lgd game bullbird was getting
criticized it was the only car that's going it's his fault yeah because they
did it back-to-back but so here was still very good but you needed in the
right hands but yeah for now I think Jenkins was already telling us about the
Largo most of the other heroes you see here they are just generically very
strong but now it's like about the follow-up usually when you see like
Winterwagon Largo, you want super high DPS or like healing mitigation. So this is generally where your dooms and timbers
They come out. So makes absolute sense here for a game of Legion to go for the timber
Yeah
Then I'd pick it as well from
Moby who has actually been playing it on the mid lane. Yeah, it's one of his best heroes actually. Yeah, I gotta say
As a witch doctor nearly Grandmaster
It hasn't really worked out for gaming Legion that they've lost quite a bit on the witch doctor. You see there
It's a zero. I was gonna say I think they haven't won with it
Yeah, I'm trying to be nice about it
But yeah, I mean when it's really interesting because speed is said he really rates the lich
He thinks that's an S tier support
But they haven't been taking it when the witch doctors available. Wait hold on a minute. Yeah, I think this is a bit of a problem
How did they get an 18 pick ember?
How is that possible? This is like the best mid laner.
71% win rate, as of now, I believe.
Dude, that's crazy, and they got it in the strongest place that you can pick it.
This is a little bit problematic. I also want to talk about Witch Doctor for a moment.
You can try to abuse Largo in the lane, because he's kind of weak, he doesn't really fight back all that much.
But playing Maladik and Witch Doctor overall, like Into Heals, which they have later, there's Cold Embrace,
Cold Embrace there if the fight drags out Largo's obviously very good against it. So unless you're bursting
I don't really love the witch doctor that much
I think timber already covers like the over damaging people or something Timber will kill them
So I want to see if they can really abuse the Largo in lane
But I'm with my boy Jenkins here if you see first pig Largo, you know, there's a storm ember
Maybe some voice bird coming in the second phase and I don't think it's been covered at all yet
There's brand bulls. That's it and they have like such good long-range poke with ember as well
Can I ask a noob question if that's okay?
Yeah, go ahead.
Well, so, a Spiribessel carry is.
Very strong.
Yeah, so is that still super good?
Super good.
Yes, it's incredible, and you're also probably going to get a Mage Slayer, which is also incredible
against all of the heroes of Gamer Legion, especially Timber, of reducing that pure damage, is insane.
And I would imagine that if Gamer Legion is letting the Ember through,
through there's no situation in which they go oops we forgot it doesn't happen
it means they have more than Slark plus probably Monkey King because there's two
bands here right so it means they think there are three heroes that they could
pick that all will like shit on an ember mid or maybe they're gonna put the
timber mid and they think that's gonna destroy ember which I don't think is
true by the way I don't think I don't think that this was like do well in the
lane and then when you get six you can like chip him out but you never really
threatened that's also the thing with ember anyway you don't you need to own
this guy in the lane and then you need to have lockdown because sure if you own
him in lane then later he has a fourth lane guard and he just runs down side lanes like
a psychopath and he never dies. So, Timber mid, a little bit opposed to it, but yeah
I do want to see where Gamer Legion take this one.
Is it like, is it the Monkey King? What do they think is, I mean, R.C.Y. does play a
lot of Monkey King, or did? I mean, we have seen the Monkey King, obviously
great into the Ember. Yep. So, it's possible. But it definitely is because Largo as well
Like is it kez? Are they gonna kez mid against?
Against ember remember rcy was playing a lot of kez mid for a while. It's it's fine. I feel like it's not
So it's not good enough why I would give them a larger ember to them. Yeah, I'm picking Ketno that I would
I feel like that's a very gamer legion play though to do that
And do you want them to do game religion players? No, I don't not really not I want them to go 3-2 not 2-3
I think there's some good synergy
If they do get the MK, yeah, true. I would like the monkey dot willow and stuff
You know, but we can you know first obviously he gets to have even more info because
They need to pick out a phase first
I'm kind of like show their carry. This is what they need last
Usually when you play against timber you kind of want to try to shut him down at least a little bit
So the two bands are kind of fitting you want like a hybrid carry that gives you both physical and magical damage
Can't really pinpoint this one yet. Like if Gyro was a better hero, that's like one of the guys you would pull out here.
Yeah, I'm trying to think of something that does well into Timber in lane, but then is also good against, like, Tiny in the carry matchup.
Yeah. Okay. I mean, it works. We've seen teams try Ursa, and I'm curious to see the win rate. I feel like it's not good.
I don't think it's good yet in this tournament, but I do believe in this hero. He was one of the few heroes
Okay, yeah, he was one of the few guys that actually got buffed like his innate is half percent more of your HP to your damage
Which an Ursa is actually like a 10% base damage increase which is a lot
Yeah, like furious wives give you like six hits later. So if you need it badly, so it's honestly pretty good
I do like it. I also think we saw that Ursa there the numbers. I think I think that was both live stealer games
Yeah, maybe because yeah, that's the situation which people have been like trying to pick it
And it's kind of similar against tiny like if you can just lock on
The the tiny like you're one of the few heroes that can kill them through like a 4,000 HP pool
I mean, maybe so what it's like monkey. Maybe tinker if you're like really crazy
Okay
Okay, so the mid DP against ember is like something of old at least if that is what they're doing
Unless they're gonna be like oh, we're gonna put the timber into mid
It is timber mid. Yeah, I think there's a little more reason to do it now right because like there's an ursa that came out so you get to like okay also dodge that matchup
Which I think is fine. I still need to kind of calibrate how I feel about these drafts.
Yeah, so do I. I mean it's a silence against Ursa, which is really nice. Like if you can go through the portal on tiny Avalanche into a silence like Ursa is not going to get the ult off. You can definitely kill him.
That's strong it goes both ways in that matchup though
Like the way you beat death profit is you burst her what either while she's ulted very quickly because if you screw up
She'll heal and she'll kill you or you do it before she ults and Ursa is one of the best heroes in the game at doing that
It's also another hero that mage layer is very good against you're preventing a lot of that spirit damage
Even though it is physical spell damage, so it's a it's still a great ember game
They the tower push is good like between tiny and death profit
There's potential to run around and take all the towers especially for RC wise doing well on the timber mid
But that also goes both ways like if mobile can get a vessel early
It's really good against all three of the course of gamer Legion. Yeah, honestly, I kind of like
Both drafts. I don't know if I give one like that big of an edge like over the other
I think when you look at the lanes like maybe the tricor of game a legion is a bit weird like DP timber
I think they rely on being strong enough that they have enough goal to have items that allow them to stay in the front of
The fight because I think if they don't have that their lineup falls apart very quickly
But they do have decent lanes to that kind of go about it, but I'm still sussed out that this Largo ember is gonna
Have a pretty good game. Yeah, that's kind of how I feel is I just I see an 18 pick ember and I'm like
that's the best made in the game and you gave you gave them their 100% winner a hero that also combos with it. As of the first pick, it seems it seems very crazy. But if they do win this one, it bodes well for the whole series if they can beat this.
All right. Well, I know two people that would love a great series. Of course, it is our commentators sons finance syndrome in them.
Thank you so much, Richard. I didn't see him in breakfast today. I wasn't sure he's gonna show up
Hopefully he's well fed, well nourished and good to go. As we get into this game number one,
GameReligions has an issue. They end every group stage two and three. Oh, that's true. Actually, they are two and one right now.
Things are looking good. Two chances. Yeah.
Can they do it?
Maybe they don't even need the second chance. Who knows? Maybe they figured it out. They've cracked the code.
I think a lot of what the panel said rings true, of course there are smart gentlemen
on there and Kezu, so they have some, I think this game is largely going to come down to
how good of a game is Ember going to have, that's kind of how I feel and I look at the
matchups and it looks quite good, no, like they picked this hero as their second to last
pick, they have Largo buffing him up and the adjustment that Gamer Legion made was to
to put Timber mid to dodge the Ursa matchup,
but I don't think Timber beats Ember.
I think this lane is a draw.
And just based on this tournament
and the win rate of the hero,
Ember drawing lane is great.
That's, the hero has just been so successful,
but that's a very good sign.
Ursa, bit of a mixed bag.
I think he's one and one,
and I believe both games were played by gamer Legion
as a matter of fact, who are on the other sides.
We'll see if they have the right tools
and the kid obviously, they ended up picking this death prophet,
so maybe feel like that is a very bad lane matchup for the Ursa.
It's a model getting caught a bit.
A lot of damage being done by the Wyvern early on in this game.
I forget how the draft actually played out.
I'm guessing there was consideration for Timbersaw to be off lane,
that's why Ursa came out.
That's correct.
They basically just had to switch.
Yeah, they picked this play. I don't know if you have to do that if that matchup is just a must-stop.
Big damage for Moby already.
I want to R.C.Y. here.
Moby's had a pretty solid tournament so far.
On his Ember spirit, I believe they say he's undefeated on it right now, so we'll see if that stays true or not.
I wonder how many players are undefeated on Ember right now.
That's a good question. A philosophical question, channel.
Are you undefeated on Ember if you haven't picked it?
No.
No?
That's a no.
Well, then you haven't been defeated on it.
So you also haven't been undefeated.
It's like, uh, Schrodinger's cat.
Mmm, be both things at once, perhaps.
Just think about that.
Yeah, I'm done thinking about it.
Ars is an interesting one, though.
Like he talked about, been picked a couple times for the opposite team.
Hero feels very one-dimensional,
which I feel like in this meta does not work that well for him.
I'm not convinced about this hero.
Obviously, other carries got nerfed and Ursa got buffed,
so it's like a double whammy that will make the hero feel significantly better,
but he felt so bad before that I don't know if it's really enough.
And there's a reason it's barely been picked all tournaments still, right?
It's the, I believe the third game, Moran.
So, the Timber Matchup is obviously great
and you're one of the heroes that can kill Tiny,
so I absolutely see the rationale here for Jack Boyce,
but see if he gets out of the lane
in good enough condition to really get his farm on
and continuing progressing his build.
The good news in that regard is he's laning with Wyvern.
I think it's going to be crucial here
that they have Cold Embrace.
That's one of the biggest upsides to Wyvern
is its ability to float difficult lanes.
Ursa vs. Double Range is obviously no fun,
but if you do the math on it,
Cold Embrace is up every 24 seconds
and it heals for like 200, so yeah.
If you cast it off cooldown,
it's kind of like playing the lane with half a tango
nonstop on the Ursa, which is absolutely fine.
Maybe I'm probably oversimplifying this,
but the way that I look at Ursa right now in this meta,
The way that it works is, obviously, I mean, it goes without saying, if you pick a bunch of really tanky guys, then he's going to be relatively good, which there is Tiny, there's Timbersaw, but more so in lane.
I feel like he really wants to dominate lane, and he really wants to kill Roche, because Roche is unbelievably important in the later stages of the game.
Because not having buildings at all, though, and high ground is an issue, is speed.
Frog Stomp with the lick back in.
It's the fairy fire off, and the Avalanche from Tamato will keep him safe.
But it feels like a lot of boxes need to be checked for Ursa to feel like a lot of the other carries that are actually successful in this matter.
And I believe a big downside for that hero compared to certain other carries is if you have a bad start, the recovery curve is just ridiculously steep, right?
You're going to have something like Luna or Terrorblade where you get run at and pressured in lane while you just go jungle level 4 and actually find meaningful farm.
Same thing with something like a TA, but Ursa just cannot. Well, he can do it. It's just ridiculous and slow
Until you have battle here, so
But as it stands, he's doing okay-ish. It's not great, but he's not being bullied out of lane. He's bought up CSO
Yeah, the cores at the moment. I would say that's kind of expected given the matchup though
This could be way worse. I mean, he has the same net worth as Timber, right? It's not
alarming
How this looks and of course I could talk about has the luxury of not having to buy any HP region courtesy of Wyvern
Every CS goes straight into the bank of itemization
Speed playing witch doctor for the third time this tournament has yet to win
So that's a little bit of a concern perhaps if you're a stats fan
I appreciate that he just sticks with it
Any time you have an idea that you're confident in, it's not working out, just try again.
I found it interesting that they picked it into Largo, who has two ways of healing himself.
One is the lick regen, the other one is his ult.
That's a nice frog stop, and Bushwax, the motto, taking heavy damage, takes his lick as well,
pops the fairy fire, taking damage now from Norman, who came from the south,
and the first blood is going to go to Jokam on that hood wing.
Nice Wyvern rotation wasn't necessary for that kill with all their heals.
They have more pressure on to speed.
Don't have any follow up though.
While this is happening, Ursus is going to have access to a small camp so he can pull and reset the lane position.
This would obviously be super awkward if he had to lean against DP close to her tower, but...
they've made sure to unlock that camp for him before Narman left.
left and now he's kind of back up top as well. So how are we looking at mid? This was the
matchup that I said was going to be roughly a draw. Ember pulling ahead quite significantly
I would say. He's up by, what is it, he's 30, 34 and 6 to 28 and 3 but most importantly
RCY having to go to base here means that he's going to be TPing back to mid and he won't
be in time for the power rune, so that is also going to go to the ember. Unfortunately for him
gets the worst possible rune I would say for this game state. But hey it's a rune, gotta go with it.
And they're starting to have their eyes on bottom, this would be a very nice dive.
He walked under enemy vision, there's already an observer work placed in the enemy triangle
and that one saw him walking down the river, so no surprise.
I think he's been playing a lot of Largo, I have to say.
And I would say it also does not necessarily fit his normal playstyle.
It's avalanche with the Maladins.
Good amount of damage as Moe Bay making his way over against the sinning chains
onto speed. Are the heels giving up for saverlight? Nope.
It'll drop. It'll be the trade with speed.
So good rotation overall and yeah, that's great for gamer Legion. That was Ember
spending a lot of mana and time down here. Doesn't feel all that great when
your first rotation on that hero. Sure you get the earn charges which is nice
but we're like to win the engagement. But yeah, we cast Saberlight on Largo on day
one and he got Baudied in lane. Speaking of getting Baudied, Attempted TP. Oh this is
Really bad if he dies, he dies, Vade has to make the walk of shame now.
So this time around, Savorlight actually has a pretty good start on Largo.
The other games that we got to cast, he was suffering in the laning stage.
And this hero, yes it can recover in the jungle, but it's not exactly the fastest.
But this time he's doing well, he's time-
Oh my goodness!
Wow. Had to cancel his TP for that.
RCY almost sniped him.
Yeah, let's see if Mopey, I think he has time to walk back, refill Bottle, and then still remnant out.
So, not the worst, I guess.
Yeah, it's kind of the best hero for this to happen, too.
But you can imagine, as long as you have the remnant up.
Yeah, he's still going to be able to connect into the jungle a little bit early there didn't
Fill up his resources completely, but
So happens when you min max sometimes you max min max min
Speed can be greeted by wyvern on the high ground so right there as well looks to be a freebie for nemesis
Tamato working on the Echo Saber.
I'm curious what the Timbersaw is going to build.
We've seen Blink first at times.
Not sure if that's what he has his eyes set on.
Kaya is pretty standard and then he could buy Blink second after Kaya.
upgrade his boots, different options. Jackie, think of some pressure here while we get Adelaide.
The exit comes out, but Faze's not really getting good use out of this. Rotation coming via
Saberlight against the Lickhampton Bay, taking a lot of damage. Gonna get that Spirit Siphon off,
but the Jair has come to rip him to shreds. Just like that, the fight is over. Nemesis,
Lightly will pick up speed as well.
Two for nothing.
That's pretty much as bad as it gets with your first exo usage.
I think that zero tower damage just got overwhelmed immediately and taken out.
This early game is looking very, very good for Nemesis.
Camerilligen might have woken up today and realized that there are two and one,
and therefore it's the morning curse.
Destiny demands losses now.
I mean if you're a player does that how much does that get in your head do you think it has happened a lot I
I
Don't think they get all that hung up on all we get two and three a lot and don't make it out of Swiss
And more so just focus on
It's also very different teams than they usually play against in those swisses, right?
I think you would argue this is a an easier tournament than the ones they've had where they felt just short
So they might have encouraged that this is the one
Or they at least break the top eight. Let's look at this damage on Amado gonna get healed a bit by speed
Say really they're gonna have their spells up pretty shortly. There's another bush whack already licked
Model gonna get the avalanche off goes to the north now frog stumps gonna barely do damage
It's Amado in the tree line Joakim out of mana though
He's continuing to heal up via speed.
Moby though, makes his way over, gets the searing chains, gets the kill, and now speed will be the collateral.
A rotation again. Successful for Nemesis as they're up 8 to 1.
This is the...
One of the problems when you play Timber Mid is...
He doesn't necessarily have the option to match Ember's rotations.
So, mobile now 2-0-1, RCY get to get an assist.
Timber doesn't necessarily play that way, especially if you don't get runes.
You're spending so much mana on farming that you're not always available to make team movements.
He could maybe get his hands on the 12 minute rune, he could change that so far so good for sure for Nemesis's side.
At this point I think Ursa has passed the test in the laning, right?
This was a potential concern, but he's 1,000 up on the DP. He's talking at worth. This is going to be like a 13 minute battle fury
If even might be 1230 very very fast for Jackie for sure
It's power rune time
Bramble's but it's gonna be south
It's not it's in the middle of a bramble Shannon
It's the same color as the brambles
Okay, so you're pointing that out,
so you're going to upgrade that prescription.
I actually just went to the eye doctor,
he said that I have pristine vision with glasses.
Oh, it sounds like your eye doctor's a con artist.
Wouldn't be the first time in America.
Yep.
Seems like it's trending.
About tower, Jackie will take that out,
and that is the battle fury completed.
1230, it will arrive.
He is going to stay ahead of this tiny
for the foreseeable future, that's for sure.
There's no way to monitor that.
Now, mid lane, speed gets assassinated.
Moby, thinking about going further,
does have the maledict on.
Nameless, RCY, trying to get aggressive.
Running out of mana as Norman is still relatively healthy.
And now the steering chains brings the Timbersaw back
with the spirit vessel applied.
Lick to death, two down, four game or Legion.
Gonna continue the aggression, it seems.
Oh, very close on that Bushwack.
What a bit of a kill.
I mean, that's the one thing about their lineup
is they do not take buildings at all.
So that'll provide some potential time for Gamer Legion
to get back in this game as Faye get up to Yule's
in a retreat.
Bushwack will not hit Acorn Chottin'
for the spear, vessel, searing chains as well.
Heels from Spears.
Going to be close.
Set.
Question mark.
Oh my god.
I think he overkilled him by like two damage.
That's one of those games.
Did you have the wand ready? Because that would have saved him.
There's four charges.
I'm telling you, I don't know.
Next target, Tomato. It never ends.
Non-stop onslaught from this Ember, and Wyvern is connecting.
And there's another kill.
Oh boy.
He just can't do anything this game.
A single kill to their name. 5k lead for Nemesis.
This one is going to be hard to recover one year this far behind his death profit early. It's
Nonicos sign, but the buildings syndrome. How do they take buildings?
Do they have to
Kind of just keep killing keep killing them defensive the ancient and kill the ancient okay?
Well, they will take buildings with a 40k lead then if anything they can just keep killing everybody forever
Look that goes to tower nothing to worry about
about. Okay, well, unfortunately, Malvay loses the battle.
Okay, so comes out a nice ramble onto two heroes. Look at the damage coming out from
the Dark Willow. They kill off two heroes. There's Narmin. Might be next on the list.
RCY's gonna try to finish the job. Mrs. Machino gets cursed in the meantime, but it's just
a solo curse. So he'll be cleaned up eventually, you would think. Gets off the cold embrace
and now Jackie's gonna play and of course the issue onto RCY. They might only get to
but it takes so long that now Ursa can maybe swipe through RCY, will not be the case.
That was a crucial setup, finding the Largo and Hoodwing next to each other with a cast, very nice from speed.
And Malbe will find the Dark Willow kill.
That was about half the lead gone from that little sequence, and RCY finally got involved a little bit.
Almost has the blink.
When you do go back around Timber in this slot, it is telegraphing that they are definitely
looking to fight, but it is a relatively high risk guide.
You're playing in Spirit Vessel, Ursa, and Wyvern's Arctic Burn.
So when you go in, if you don't have a clear escape plan, you could easily get 100-0, even
though you're a very tanky hero.
So it has to be a little bit careful with his decision making.
I see the lick onto the DP.
Yeah.
He's gonna live, but he has not had any impact on this game at all.
Been a rough one.
And considering how bad he's done, you can see Tamato.
Same net worth somehow.
Yeah, they got pressured a lot down bottom.
Both of them, 0-3.
Saber-Lite.
Again, just being an annoying presence.
They use the Bush Whack.
And the Sharp Shooter.
Is he just gonna die from this far away, gets a spirit siphon on the catapult?
You can see they're not really fully committing here, finally the curse comes out, Norman.
He's got a lick, but into a ramp, and into death.
Oh, that's amazing, that's a good grief right there.
Say, there's worse than not casting a spell.
Oh man, he was just trying to help, the little frog didn't know any better.
You all set up?
Okay, nice deletion. Bonus use supports.
I feel like on the side of Nemesis, making some mistakes here, just not playing around Ember.
If you want to make moves with your supports, keep playing with your strong guy that just is succeeding at every turn.
Connecting with Largo is nice and all, but would rather see them focus more on Moe Bay here.
Yep, he's a recipe away from BKB.
Yeah, the lead has kind of stagnated back down to 3k, not the biggest, but still the worrisome
aspect from Gamer Legion is the mid, or sorry, the carry and off lane just having very little
farm to this point.
Yeah, as we know, Dota plus can be trusted, and at 14 minutes it called it 90-10.
90-10.
90-10.
That's a...
I don't agree, but definitely...
There's no doubt this is heavily Nemesis' favorite.
That sounds a little...
What's heavily then?
It's not 90-10.
80-20?
Maybe something like that seemed reasonable.
So that's reasonable, but 90-10.
Oh!
That's a pretty big difference.
You'll understand someday.
It's math.
Math?
Math.
Well, he's just going to finish off this PKB before he wants to get more involved.
Well, let's stay a game.
Saberlight working, he has a St. Chaya and is going for the Shard.
Is Lotus good this game?
See, the silence brambles.
It's decent.
Not outstanding.
That's kind of...
That's not that good.
I think part of this is...
Toss?
How does that work with Lotus again? You toss yourself?
I think, do you toss after the target lands?
I don't remember.
It's one of the weird ones, I think.
Toss has always been the weird one.
Yeah.
Fate has an interesting build with the blink and yules.
Yeah, it's a pretty offensive DP build. He is super fragile though. They get on top of him, and he has Jules on cooldown. He did.
But I do really like the profit players going for blinks. I think it is an underrated item on the hero, you know.
We do see it somewhat frequently when the hero does get played, but...
And speed's going for the third blinks on their team. They have the Shadowblade on Tamado.
A lot of mobility, but not that much in the way of stats then, so if you are the ones getting jumped, your staying power is quite limited.
Smoke up from speed, they're gonna try to wrap around the back of top tower, but nobody's home.
Tamada will take the tower, but it's all they're gonna get.
Instead, there's going to be a 20 minute rune for Moby and a smoke from the dire themselves.
And they should know what is happening here because this is pretty telegraphed
Jocum will be the one to spot
Against silence, searing chains now under the Death Prophet
It's the spirit side phenomenon
We already popped the DKB pretty early to look at the damage
Shark Shooter almost deletes the Death Prophet
Staying alive going in that heals falls shortly after
And really quickly it's a two for nothing in favor of Nemesis
Yeah, that was really really easy for them to do
Good read on the map, right?
All the enemy heroes are missing, Tiny just took top tower and you're just imagining they
push forward into the jungle so you go first smoke yourselves, you find the break and then
very easy fights to play for Mobile and look at the distance now, Ursa up 3,500 on Tiny.
He's been barely involved, just been able to farm for the most part.
4-0. Blink, BKB, Battlefury of course.
What's the next item?
Yeah, Abyssal maybe already.
I think that'll be fine. I say already.
Yeah, what it takes to set that up.
I don't think there's... if Timber was going aggs maybe Nullifier could be a consideration
but I think that's much of a concern here and it is of course going to be the Bastard
queued up.
And the question is if he upgrades it or has other plans.
Kind of like the look of Scotty in this game potentially as well on one of the dire heroes.
Maybe Ember will buy it at some point.
We've seen that being a lot more popular as of late.
Just going axe first, your favorite axe in the game.
Oh well, not your favorite, but the one you think is the best.
That's right.
Your favorite is of course Centaur.
Yep, that's right.
Smoke.
Dark Willow will be the sacrifice it seems.
Oh, and Michael's looking for another one.
Fade, it's low jack.
Just gets right on his face.
Another free couple of kills.
And now they can just go rush.
Yep, this time of the game.
the sound of Saberlight's guitar. I mean nullifier for Ursa would be good in general just the
Jules anyway like you're probably going to need it at some point and Timber is going to buy the
axe a little bit later so you don't have to get it right away. It's going for the basher into
Agate Deceptor to start it seems. And the first Ursa began to go to Nemesis.
See if they, how they're going to put this to use, they're also going to get another
power rune here.
This is an amp damage for Ember.
Very powerful moment coming up.
Ages advantage, rune advantage.
And again, you're up 6k, but you also got to consider how the, oh hang on.
Oh, hang on.
right into the frog man, getting really low.
Cold embrace is keeping him alive for now.
While they do get it in the hand,
it's going to cost them their tiny.
And that is the carry of gamer Legion.
Speed ends up melting.
Jackie, using his first BKB, fade now on the run,
able to blink out in time.
So with all said and done, it's a two for one
in favor of Nemesis.
XO down. He's using it to farm. That feels real bad.
They just not really seeing any...
I know I said this the other day, Sunry.
I don't think this hero
can ever be good again, consistently.
I'm not saying it can't win games occasionally.
Okay.
I don't think it can be good again consistently until the ult is reworked somehow. I don't...
Unless it's like outdated, basically.
I think it's I think it's similar and it's not exact it's similar in thought to juggernaut old
Or I think the game has outpaced it in a way
Maybe add a slope I
Mean I just can't see this here ever being like one of the main heroes picked on a consistent
Definitely does need some look to get there it feels like
There's different ways to do it. You don't necessarily have to do it through the
He almost tied himself.
Jackie, he waited a bit and then he's like, you know what, I don't give a shit.
Chill him, give him a shard.
I don't necessarily think it's Exorcism that DP needs to be much better.
If you imagine you give her back the percentage based Spirit Scythe and for example, like
then she would be an extremely strong counter pick against tanky heroes.
Yeah.
It used to be exactly how she was running.
I'm specifically saying for the alt, I guess.
Yeah, I mean, I agree.
I don't think this is so...
I was gonna say hit or miss.
It's mostly miss, really.
It's just this huge ass cool down.
You know what would be cool?
Which I don't think they ever explored
was being able to refresh and double it up.
That could be interesting.
I was having two running simultaneously.
Yeah, because I don't think it ever worked that way
in Dota 1.
No.
It's always been kind of a weird mechanic
in general, these ghosts.
Because you're never really sure what they're doing.
Yeah.
inanimate sprites. Smoke from Nemesis. Don't see Tomato in his silver edge. They are a
hunting. Speed might be the one that ends up getting caught. He wouldn't mind it too
much. Yeah, he did. Hello. Miss? No speed? Doesn't have his shark quite yet. Let's get
killed off. Oh, minute 40 in the ages. Building damage can they do.
It's Jackie. Hacked way through his agonist scepter. Remind me how this one
works against Avalanche, because Avalanche has changed so many times now, but it's
not a consistent stun that's happening. Oh, you can cast and rage-firing stuns,
right? So... No, I know, but let's say you do that. You continue to get... You know how
How do you know how Avalanche used to work? Or would it just be like several stuns in one?
I see what you mean.
Is it just a one stun thing now? I can't remember how they changed it.
It's just a one stun. It's a 1.5 second stun, but yeah, you enraged it.
It's not like a layered stun.
No, so if you're enraged it, you should just be free to go, I think.
Keep an eye on it.
if they coded it the other way I mean the stun sticks when you get have a
lunch you can't bkb right but yeah it should just should just work like any
other normal stun. I see why I might finally get something going for him. If food walks into you you can eat it.
Not a lot of bones on that meat though. Still not gonna get the kill.
That's not what I... a lot of meat.
Not a lot of bombs though.
Oh, Tomano, he's caught off guard.
This is a much bigger kill.
Sharp shooter.
They have the vision.
He trickles down.
And, oh, they see the healing aura.
So, speed looks to be dead as well.
Pops that S-train, but won't last too much longer.
Aegis is expiring in 10 seconds, but Aghanim's
stepped her now online for the Ember out of mana,
so we'll have to refresh.
Either way, Nemesis in the driver's seat,
and with Tiny Dead, they should be able to get
more building damage. I hope we see a little bit more Ursa. I don't have faith. With that
profit caught on guard as well, basically needs a BKB to get away. Not ideal when you're
right next to your base. I'm going to lose this bot tier 2 in a moment probably. Half
tier 2 mid also taken but don't worry like you pointed out they don't have any
building damage so they're never going to be able to push of course Sunstein TV
quote from I mean 10 minutes ago with how much they're up at 28 minutes yeah
with any other lineup they would have had all the tier twos down by now I don't
agree with that based on what we've seen in this tournament I don't think that's
true well okay so then you're talking about anomaly which is this turn oh
Oh, yeah, they're pushing better than I thought for sure though.
So Otto in the tree line.
Oh, the searing chains. Catches him.
And now the bear will catch up as well.
Oh, dear. It's only getting worse now.
Curse for Dark Willow. Bickham, he's going to get away.
Small fries, though.
Yeah, got to order the large next time.
I was saying not the biggest believer in Ursa in general right now, but looking great in this game
Yeah, the lane went well and when that's the case against the nice as he has can definitely pop off
Instant cancel on which dr. Old also missed the melodic so speed might be 0 and 2 on this hero for a reason
That's not very nice. Oh, it's just it's just for fun. It's called a joke now. I've heard we don't joke
Apparently we hate each other, for some people.
I mean I would trust the community over myself, my interpersonal relationships, big num.
I don't need you all up.
And it's just dropping like flies from the point.
You have to tear a eye off.
For now.
Narmint will blink, he'll have a vicinity.
He's no longer alive in the maven.
He just gets blown up by Moebae's remnants.
Exorcism was popped apparently with that.
The exit strategy apparently.
Norman does get killed off. That's all they're going to be able to find.
That's XO down again though.
It's hard to tell when people say that we don't like each other, if it's bots.
Like, we're in this stage of life, society, where I can't tell if that person has never had a friend before,
or if it's literally just a bot, which I guess also would never have a friend.
It is increasingly interesting when you read posts online to just see responses where you're like yes
This response is topically you are using words that have to do with what the conversation is about
But it makes zero sense why you would be talking about this right now. So I don't think you're a person. Yeah
Dead internet theory is becoming more and more real as far as I'm concerned. I'm just for sure reading
comments on social media
Sometimes there's a post and there's like seven responses and I'm convinced none of them are human.
Like genuinely. Zero human response.
It's just it's really fucking sad actually.
It's a vicious thing because you're hoping that they're not real people, but at the same time,
if they're not real people then that's fucked as well.
Yeah, there's no winning.
That's bad.
Guys, please write good comments when you write.
Make it clear that you're a real person.
Just end your comment with, by the way, I'm a real human being.
being that's right and the AIs are going to learn that that's how you end the
message. That's right. I'm not a robot, just check the box.
Yep.
Oh, quick reaction from Fade. It's about to get munched on by Ursa.
Still, that's another Roche for the Dire. Don't see any way of contesting this
Heradian without Exorcism. They're not really showing any intent on doing that either
with Timbersaw being down bottom. He does have a hex coming out, I believe, for RCY, so meaningful
item upgrade cannot be used in rage during that, even with eggs. You could perhaps open the doors
and kill on this earth, but you're gonna have to do it twice. Indubitably. You know, actually smoked
up, you actually want to fight. You get the hex on the ember, but the link is there to save on
terrorized wasted in the end as the speed that dies yet again. The victim follows suit. Looks like
that is too dead. There's Jackie. Try to catch up to some more RCY steering chains.
Only the Emperor spirit nearby though. The timber chain is not that good though.
He gets slowed up, has to pop his BKB. He's going to try to go for a kill on the Wyvern.
That's a lot of damage, not enough though. Oh, now he's in trouble. Could have TP'd out.
He didn't have TP out.
Not have TP'd out? That's correct.
Man, he's gonna be the fourth death in this fight eventually.
No, he's not dead yet.
He's gonna die, Cinderan.
He could have TP'd out.
Something. TP'd out, RC Lyman.
But God save him.
Alright.
Four from one.
Eleven, zero, eleven, and burrr.
Yeah, he's looking good.
I think it'll get banned next game.
Across the...
I feel like giving this hero a second phase to close the phase.
It's just illegal.
If you don't have clear counters already lined up, that's that's crazy work
Let's see this building damage
I guess I'll complete enough for Jackie
That's your two beastly Ursa. That was pretty quick. Don't get sidetracked now
We're gonna have to push out that top lane, we'll go for the last tier 2 on the side of
Gamer Legion.
Oh, I was just about to ask, do you think Speedo's ever gonna use his Grigory, and now
he did.
How much did he get?
Like, 1300 gold, I think.
Just gets a glimmer cape for his effort.
Do you like this?
I know, I've already made my position clear.
I mean, it's kind of whatever, it's like a gimmick.
Yeah.
Like when it first came out I was like oh that's kind of cool it's interesting it's unique
but seeing how people use it it's just not interesting at all.
And now it's the only one of its kind right after we lost the Black Rimoire.
Yeah well there's the Wyvern Tome kind of.
I suppose it's not really the same vein though.
It's a consumable.
That is true.
And that's one of the cool ones I like that.
Two and a half minutes on the ages for Nemesis in the driver's seat to say the least.
There's Jackie looking for another victim, but nobody nearby at the moment.
He's going for, I assume, the swift blink and then for his shard.
He's going for trouble.
It's a motto.
Find himself a little squirrel action.
Get stunned up.
Now the first to follow, that is not a good start.
Despite getting this kill, they're going to be surrounded by the Ever Spirit yet to die.
Biggum, it's going to be the first to die for Gamer Legion.
Tiny does get away.
Faze going to hop his BKB.
Nobody will continue to stay nearby.
Jackie gets the Abyssal and the Eventual Kill.
Swipes right through the DP.
Breathe for Nata.
Tamato, he was not out completely yet, it seems.
Gets to the other side of the wall, does searing chain.
Nobody can remnant over soon.
Hanks to try to slow this a bit onto the bear, as Tamato just trying to get back in his fountain,
but he finds his way to the grave instead.
80 seconds of no Tony.
And now we're going to see the massive building damage come out from Nemesis that Synron has promised us.
Yep, they have two siege groups.
What's going to help?
Less than a minute on the Aegis.
RCY.
We'll try to delay, but the Roche banner is going to make it much more difficult.
Oh.
I mean, this is a guaranteed set.
The question is, will we go for more after?
Still have the Aegis for 30 seconds.
And with Tiny on the sidelines, you probably feel confident to just give
a second lane of Barracks.
There's still two Siege Creeps alive in mid.
Glyph is going to refresh after this.
Melee Rex gets taken down.
Imagine they're going to use it while their tower's still standing.
You would think. Yeah, there we go.
Could offensive glyphs this to keep the siege creeps alive, but they choose not to.
I'm a bit surprised by that. Okay, showing a lot of respect here.
What their ages is expiring, so I guess.
It's all right.
Now the Ursa's Shard here is actually quite interesting against both Timber and Tiny.
It's a lot about just very quickly ramping up those Fiery Swipestacks, and obviously this is the newer Shard Ursa has.
I don't know how old it is by now, but...
You get three fury swipes to everybody you hit with Earth Shock.
I mean, it is good.
It is very good in games against tanky heroes where you're ahead, I would say.
It feels super nice, just a major damage increase.
Speaking of, that's a major damage increase.
Joakim gets a Hunter's Boomerang for free.
That feels really good on that hero to win the shard.
What was it between?
It was between him and Ursa, I think.
It's better this way. Jackie has more gold than he needs so he can just buy it.
Yep, and he does, so now all five shards online.
If Fade shills him this way, he's dead. Uh-oh.
He showed, he slowed, first doesn't come in.
All the way, the bash is there. On top of the curse, not needed, matters not.
Another death for the road.
One on eight on death profit is not the scoreline you want on that hero input particular.
Yeah, this was, you might as well have just lane temper saw there, I guess.
Yeah, kind of.
Especially if you had another counter pick that could have, you know,
given Ember some trouble, he has been having a totally free game.
One has lane, made tons of successful moves, 12 on 14 now.
I mean, Jackie's 13, between the two, 25 and 0.
Yeah, that's pretty good.
It's that line.
I'm trying to think of what they could have picked to pressure Ember,
because what was banned?
OD was out, Pascar, Slark, Viper.
They could have picked something.
Yeah, they could have run something like that,
or maybe Necrophos or whatever.
But I don't know if the benefits would have really been good enough.
Oxyrene now on Ember, entering luxury territory already, 39 minutes in, feels like it's just
a matter of finding the final fight and then the killing blow is there, we'll be close
to 25, might be waiting for that, should be getting that with this bottom wave on Ember,
there we go.
So we'll get the recharge time on his remnant, as they say.
And now the Abyssal Blade finds Tamato, gets the Harpoon, into the BKB.
They still have a person they need it, and we'll use it.
Trying to get to the other side of the wall, but it's not happening.
Tamato dead 80 seconds, and that should open up the next set of barracks.
One would think.
Yeah.
What's the cool down on changing your team name like why is this a thing it's
like everybody has a different tag cuz I remember there was a reason for it
before like in the DPC but it doesn't matter anymore just get rid of that so
what do you think a mo base team tag means LFT what what team do you think
That's a great question. I think he's still looking.
You all into...
Bo-bo-bo-bo!
Into dying.
I love watching Arsha when he's online.
Yeah, very fun to watch, hero.
And it did work out this game. I'm not a harp.
I'm not a believer in this patch, though, but we'll see.
I would love to be wrong, because he's an entertaining hero.
So second set will go the way of Nemesis and they're gonna try to force this buyback on
the death profit as they go for Megas and all likelihood.
Although Rush as far as they know could be up, it's gonna be another minute and a half.
No fortifications so you can go to town on these bad boys.
Well, if the Hax, the Undisputed Prophet, terrorized from afar, it's not going to do much though.
Still 30 seconds on that Death Prophet.
It's Jackie going for the range, and one more Barracks required for Mega Creeps.
Are they going to buy back on the Death Prophet?
To get the curse off, that's going to be a good delay.
There's the buyback finally, as Jackie's going to try to finish off the Barracks.
No, it's Ulu Duc though.
Exorcism popped on the back line, and the remnants, you can see the Ember spirit just terrorizing everybody.
Goes into the enemy fountain and kills R.C.Y.
That is how far ahead they are right now.
And the beggars are secured. Double Bliback comes out, but to no avail, really.
Oh, that side. This is the first deck, maybe, of the Ember spirit.
Potentially.
Looking back into the ghost. Thank you, Saber-Life for the help.
Almost greased his team.
Gonna go back into the fountain to try to finish the job. Not quite enough, but Jackie gets hexed,
so he can't finish it either.
Kind of frangin' in college.
GG's is getting one ghost and nemesis in stompy fashion.
Yeah, that was really, really easy for them.
I think they laid the groundwork for this in the first ten minutes.
It was really good.
In particular, the wyvern movement bottom was nice.
They kind of crushed.
They won all three lanes,
and winning all three lanes in this patch,
If the enemy team doesn't hit some like really nice timing window afterwards is generally gonna go one way is the gamer legion curse real Richard I
Don't know about a curse
I'm just gonna say something stunning and brave right out of the gates
Oh, I'm and indeed my fellow panelists what I don't understand is if you have your own ideas about the game of Dota 2
Which we all do mm-hmm anyone who plays it
certain professional teams why don't then execute those ideas in a game you
don't draft the way you think is good you don't play the way you think they
are probably drafting the way that they think is good but there's some
misconception or like miss I mean I don't know like what something obviously
is it's not correct like even in the pre-show Jenkins is talking about the
Largo for Saberlight that he plays a lot they get to pair it up with an ember and
And yeah, the game does look very easy. I do think it's not only the draft. There's a lot of gameplay that also went into it
But yeah, game religion day. They got to set it up for game two. I think that answer your question
there's just
Like five other people on the team, you know, including the coach so
We know that you know speed has these very strong opinions on what's good. What's bad and I
Mean for me, I like I'm watching his videos. I'm picking the shit and pubs that I'm winning right
so like I really feel like he's correct and
And when you also look across the competitive Dota,
you can also see that the heroes that he talks about,
they do actually have a very high win rate.
It seems like he's right.
But still, there's certain heroes that Fade can play.
He has his own ideas, so maybe that's not,
including Nightstalker, Legion Commander,
the stuff that Speed thinks is really good.
Like basically what I'm saying is there are
five other people on the team
with potentially conflicting ideas,
and stuff can be good in pubs or with certain heroes,
because you first picked this, now all of a sudden the lich isn't good, things like that.
But I think all of these things can also just be wrong, like these can be kind of a cope for not
following your instincts and prioritizing stuff higher. Because I agree, I would love to see
them try their own ideas and see what happens, at least if they lose, they know that they went out
doing what they believe in, right, rather than just trying to do whatever this is.
Well, I'll ask you, Kasu, what's it like when you're, you know, you go into a series, it's competitive, and you're all talking to each other, and one guy maybe has these, like, unbelievably strong ideas.
Mm-hmm.
Like, how much of drafting and everything else is done by committee and a professional team?
Well, a lot of it, you usually have a plan, but the thing is, and I think this happens a lot to the non-S tier and the non-tier one teams is that you can sway away from the plan, I think, very quickly.
quickly or someone has a really strong opinion it's like yo if if you take the
timber into the mid lane and I go deep here we're gonna destroy the top lane
I'm gonna have a good early game we get to do this this and this and sometimes
it's just a really wrong read you know it's not correct but in the moment it
sounds good you just follow it instead of like shutting it down and sometimes I
think you do need that and I think that's something that they're probably
lacking but at least for Nemesis I think they played incredibly well they made
very good early movements I think more by two on one of the other days he
He really butchered both of his picks and also his gameplay, but this time he's the
Ember, 15-0, he went the Vessel DKB build, which I mean it's very common, it's very
good and he just executed.
Yeah, this guy might have the sauce.
Like I don't know what it takes to get to that level where every game you have the sauce,
but at least some games he has it where you're like holy shit, this dude is good, like he's
on top of things.
He's farming the jungle camps, like aggressively in the enemy team's face, like narrowly getting
out. He's doing the crazy, like, remnant plays into fountain, killing somebody, getting out.
Like, you see things like that, and you just see someone with a lot of confidence in their own
skill and then the mechanical skill to back it up. And it's like, okay, this dude, this dude is
really good. But I agree. It's not, it's not every game for him, but this was a really good one.
Why don't we go back to the early game, setting the tone?
Let's do it because the problem is, like, when you're a game allegiance, so this is last pick
DP right so I need to both kind of discredit what he did but also so Nemesis
they're going for like three heroes here they get him killed early on so guy
with top CS dies for the first time and now this is you know two minutes later
he has his ult this is like the first time he now wants to strike but at this
point he's already bottom network of the course they make a really nice rotation
they're here with their three heroes already Saber like TP's in and the thing
is when like Amar does this too I guess he picked Viper they had like some Viper
Dark Willow in the offlane and you lose some draft integrity when you do this
But when you destroy your lane you make up for that
But when you pick DP like this with a mid timber and neither of you do well in your lanes
You've now lost draft integrity and you don't have like the network of other levels to make up for it
And then your game goes a it's bad
That noise for everyone at home means bad
As a poop, it's a fart noise
That's good if you're I think we're gonna talk about some healthy. It's good. It's really healthy
We're gonna talk about some more badness because obviously the witch doctor
it just sort of hasn't worked out.
Yeah, speaking of poop,
well, sometimes wish doctor can poop
on the enemy heroes actually,
you could see if you have a perfect situation
where two heroes indeed run up the high ground
and it's only two heroes,
then you can cast them together and hit a big ultimate.
This was one situation in which we thought like,
okay, maybe there's some potential comeback scenario here
for game religion,
but you essentially had to have like the perfect situation occur for this to happen, right?
It's like literally two heroes exactly walking up the high ground.
It's like the two healing heroes that could potentially save their team,
getting double cast and maledict.
It looked pretty good, but at least you had one good moment.
This was the one moment.
I just go for the lich, man.
I really want to see this speed lich again.
Come on.
I do too.
We're going to take a quick break.
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because there's like a lot of tournaments going on right now and we were just a bunch of like talks about like playing or not playing and
we went to the surgery and not playing.
What did you want to do?
You know what I would say like take a more show because there's like a like playing in Nene.
It's like weird.
Like with the schedule in the EU.
So what's the break been like for you between now and TI?
It took like a week for myself, like a reset pretty much, and trying to get back for playing
again in the new season.
All right, and what did you do in that time?
Was it like spending time with friends, family, or just total chill?
I think half the time I spent with family, and half just chilling.
So now you had a bit of a break looking back on TI, how do you feel about how you did in
China?
I definitely played my best, but looking back at it, I kind of played bad, I would say.
There's like a lot of improvements to work on.
And what specifically for you have you been looking at recently?
I think generally just like the heroes and the meta.
Like I was that comfortable playing with like
which was the most accurate for it pretty much.
Because I was the most broken in that.
And I didn't think I played that well in that game.
Okay.
Alright, well now coming into the new season obviously you're linking up with Tomado.
How do you feel about that having him on the team?
team. I would say it's like more refreshing just playing with new players so I can say.
Okay I mean what do you think of him as a player before he joined the team?
I don't know you think much about like other players yeah and I think about like
when we're actually like playing as a team so I guess I got high hopes. You know coming into
this new season do you think you've got like a lot more motivation now uh with a lot of teams
having big resets a lot of big teams breaking up do you see an opportunity for Game of Legion
sort of come through and get yourselves into one of those top positions?
Just have a lot of expectation because for me after TI I had like
just thinking about all things like how like these teams are like not that good
pretty much from how I see it. Okay. And like have a lot of potential to just
eat them and just be better. And do you feel like that was different before the
international where you sort of felt like it was insurmountable maybe?
I'd say there's definitely a lot of mental, like going and playing against the teams that you think are good, but in the game it's just like playing pretty different, so...
Was that like a team-wide thing or just a youth thing?
Definitely what I felt in the game, so I can't say for others, but that's what I felt.
In my opinion we've got a ton of different teams coming up, you know, the shuffle season is always exciting, so what team are you most interested to see play here?
Is it between one win or Yandex?
Yeah, I mean small changes for both of those teams but potentially big impact.
Yeah, I think they're like the most contenders in this tournament, I would say.
It's also like one Naby, but I think those two are like the one that stands the most for me.
What do you think of the changes which both those teams made?
It's kind of weird, I would say.
It's like maybe it's going to work out, but I don't think I have a lot of thoughts on them.
Okay, this is ATF to Yandex right? Yeah.
And what's the other thing you mentioned?
One of them. Do you just have like a standard right now?
Yeah. Okay, so they're not fully completed. Okay.
Well, what do you think about ATF on Yandex?
Maybe it's a good fit. I feel like why...
Falkens, because they just had like the duo pretty much more real than ATF.
So maybe it's something that's going to be good or bad, but it's going to be weird for them.
Definitely. All righty. Well, I'll see why. Thank you very much for coming to us today, and good luck in Valachia.
All right, welcome back. GameAlegion vs Team Nemesis there. Very insipid opening from GameAlegion.
They sort of just didn't really do anything and bled out in that opening game.
But now we're hoping for something a little bit better. Just remind if everyone at home as well
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Can earn a Pokemon boost the pack. That's true. If he does good. It's a it's a rare Chinese edition
Apple it's got an apple
What's Apple tune? Apple tune or Apple in this might be Apple in Apple in and it's you're gonna get a rare shiny
Charizard in the Pokemon. He didn't give me the 30th celebration pack
So that's a bit sad to be fair that one didn't exist yet when you were there
I think they didn't wrong. I would gotten you the Chinese version of that
And remember the winner of this goes through and of course will be treated to a winners interview on the sofa
Which is a big one. That's why they're important. Yeah. Yeah, that's important
I'm drew even more deodorant today
He's the only one which who's that?
Who? You.
Who?
You're Andrew.
But to put things more on the perhaps serious side for a moment as the draft has begun.
How dare you?
If I may.
How dare you?
If I may.
I looked at the RCY's recent games and so he's played Storm Spirit, which is a hero that has won this entire tournament.
Yes.
He's played OD, which is First Face Band, and he's played Largo.
Those are the two heroes he's won on.
Obviously, last game Largo was stolen.
This game, it is also banned, actually by themselves, which is a little interesting.
interesting so they want to go for a different approach they're gonna go for
the big num bounty hunter I think big num is good like he's a type of he's
actually quite aggressive and he does play the melee heroes overall fairly
well so I would expect him to have a good showing not like the only core which I
think that my bro should stick to range heroes he's the follow-up what do you call
do wrong on the bounty hunter I think that he just in terms of how he plays as a
player he's the follow-up damage he's not the guy that scouts first and goes
first he's like he relies on his mid-amber to start the fight for him and
and he's the hoodwing Windranger.
So I think he just went to the wrong places
at the wrong time on his own,
which is usually not that good Jenkins.
You gotta be in the right place at the right time.
That's what they say.
That's how you get really great booster packs
for your friends and then they don't appreciate it.
I appreciate it.
Who will be boosting themselves in this game
is the Darkseer with that surge.
And I'm hoping to see some sort of combination with it.
I mean, in particular,
If they can get their hands on a spear breaker, I would be very shocked if it goes through.
It's like one of the best heroes in the game versus Bounty Hunter.
He pops his little hat out for just one second on a century ward, and guess what?
You get a charge across the map, and that little devil's going to go down like one
of the bad cards in a Pokemon booster pack that he throws in the trash because it's
not good enough.
That is true.
I do actually do that sometimes.
I have too many cards.
That's true.
That's true. I mean I did want to bring it up on broadcast, but it is crazy that you've come through a foreign country
Gone to the one story and all the big breasts of one store and he's literally bought all the Pokemon packs
We saw children crying
True story, so Romanian children wet. They were like, but you punch them first Pokemon
I mean we don't need to bring that up. Okay. I was doing that so you could get I see I appreciate that you leave that part
Yeah, I guess I'll talk about the draft again
I think this for a break you know, it's been pretty generic so far right true
But Andrew raised a very valid point of the fat cow man the spur breaker very good in this game
You like spur breaker? I'm a big fan actually. Yeah, not a grandmaster on him. Can't not yet claim
But do you like I mean spirit break is just great. Obviously gives you that global presence
just so much pairs incredibly well with Darkseer and the movement speed buffs are always good as well.
I do like the idea of taking techies for themselves because I feel like it's one of the good heroes to pair with BH in terms of like what they both do around the map.
And it's one of the best heroes as a five against Darkseer because you can purge the shell, you can purge multiple shells.
If he's going to like double shell the wave, you can just taste the shells off.
No, it's it's really good. I would still expect the potential what these pigs happen with what happened with the ember
The ember was a ban. Okay. Yeah, so they just went for the
Morana Sven, which is overall sure like Sven is a good hero into Darkseer. The only problem is that
Sven does suffer from different types of matchups like when it comes to carry to carry
It's often the ones that you're looking at whether it's a TB or life stealer are usually quite good heroes against it
There's this per breaker that of course one expat dot Jenkins dot YouTube has called out
It's not shorts of course. Yeah taking for my friend Kazoo pose a lot of short check that channel out
so they're looking for
Potentially probably the mid laner
Right well, I could be mid or carry actually whatever they feel like it's perhaps a bit easier
They see pH right so
They they have an idea of what they're laning against
Well, I do think carries would be like TB nakes if they do feel like that you can do that blind tiny is
Still with tiny slowly and why not? It's excellent with darks here
I think you're surging a tiny around and putting a shell on him is really nice
I would love I love laning with the techies if I'm tiny like you set up for all of his ground
targeted BS and
taser prevents you from insta getting bursted from this fan
like here just kind of depends on what you feel like also makes it harder for
game religion to then close the second phase out with on the 18 pic if you you
know are under the impression that okay if we pick some mid there's not that many
counter picks we're gonna go for that or like Jenkins is saying you know tiny on
the carry congratulations sir that's a 16 17 can I have to pack Pokemon cards
you're not eligible oh man sorry you need to find your own niche that you like
have find some hobbies smoking that's not good not healthy expensive and drinking
is that a hobby okay my hobby I apologize to the viewers what's the 18
pick your Jenkins you've been on a roll let's keep it up if you get this then
you get the pokey back no that's not how this work if I'm fade you can on it if
If I'm Fade, I'm wanting to pick a hero that's good against all of these melee heroes, like
maybe Underlord, something like that, but then you've Underlord BH, it's a little weird.
I would just personally look to punish the fact that you three get in there melee guys
on one side.
How about Wimper's ult?
That's not a Timber's ult.
That's an Invoker.
Yeah.
Okay.
I mean, they are definitely swapping up their approach quite a bit.
You do have a good amount of stuns on the side lanes.
Also when you play against Darkseer, it's generally lanes that do skirmish a lot.
Well either in the 2v2 or when Spearbreaker is alone, you can find like a Svenstern into
Aero, maybe a Sunstrider.
I can say some relatively decent Sunstrider.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty good.
They definitely do have that.
And Invoker is, I would say he's two-sided against SB.
Like if SB can take some good angles, I think he's very good at kind of like collapsing
on Invoker.
Obviously he can protect himself with like a cold snap, tornado, but if there's like
more people running at him, which you definitely can.
if the counterpick mid, there can be pangols, there could be maybe slardars as well, I don't know
exactly, because Ember is already bad out, which would have been one of the best options, yeah.
And they ban out the potential mid-chez. I've heard people talk about, well actually,
Mobey will play the tiny mid, so maybe...
Oh, that is a good call, it actually afflicts for them, and it is very good with the dark sphere.
Yeah, so they could get a better carry to carry matchup. They will see the full draft on the side of gamer legion
So maybe some like, you know life stealer might look very strong
Considering all of like the magic damage and BS the gamer legion has and you're playing into span as well
Yeah, they'll also see like the full info since fate has to pick out of phase and like show his
his cards first with the Offlane.
What do you think they're gonna pick in the Offlane to bring the draft together, Centaur
or something like that?
That's okay.
I mean, it does give you a bit more stun setup.
They need more setup, I do agree with that.
I wonder if they can find a hero that can give them both of that and also a solid lane,
because Tiny will, he will free farm in that lane, but I'm gonna assume that he will do
do that into most heroes.
I mean, the timber is still not bad.
It's just, you're really banking on like,
I'm gonna kill these two melee strength boys
and you're less so applying for like the synergy
with your team, which I don't like.
But I could see them doing it
because it's very NA to kind of hyper fixate
on like one layer of the game,
especially when it comes to laning.
I would assume that they're picking a melee strength hero that is not Timber.
If I'm looking to pick Timber, I don't think these would be my bands.
I would have looked at covering it with maybe, if the tiny does go mid, like Jenkins was saying that,
again, you banned some SF Luna and kind of covered it like that.
So this does look more like some Underlord Centaur, potentially.
Oh, the Underlord's gone.
Yeah, it's Underlord.
Well, Underlord's really good against Spearbreaker.
It's so annoying trying to charge when there's pits.
I mean, the only other thing I could think of is Axe, but it's really good for game
religions synergy of their other heroes, but it's not the best against the Nemesis heroes
in general.
All of them are pretty much fine playing into Axe, and then also they have Total Aspic,
and they can run the Tiny Mid.
We have seen that insane axe invoker, Marana, you know, combo, but not to be today, we've
got old reliable Doom.
I like this, it's like you said, he's reliable, right?
That's why you're picking him on 23, you know you're going to get countered, you need a
hero that's just going to be fine, no matter what, percentage based damage against Tiny,
you can Doom Dark Seer, he's an amazing Doom target, totally worth using that on him.
I mean I do wonder what I take it here. If they do want to flex the tiny to mid. It is one of mobile's absolute best heroes
I mean I wouldn't mind if they would tempo up the game with like some you could potentially look at like some nature's prophet
I think if you're Nemesis. I don't know if that's in my boy Jackie's wheelhouse if that's the hero that he loves the most
What about just that in the meta right now?
It's still very good. I think if you have a capable profit player, and you're playing into some slower heroes,
which both Doom and Invoker are, like, they want the game to be chilled.
They don't want to be dull or whatever. I think this fits very well, too.
Solid laner. You're very fast. Obviously, you also have a very good matchup into Sven.
Doesn't really love buying an MKB. You have a very good lane, too. This is very oppressive.
Like, you have a Techies Windranger, and when you do well in your lanes, which you generally do,
against a Doom and a Bounty, they're slow, double melee.
You can go through the gate, you can help your Darkslay out, or you can rotate mid.
I think this is a very good pick.
Maybe it's because we've been watching Ghost so much, but in general, I've been really impressed with Windranger's performance in this tournament.
Like you said, she seems to do really well in pretty much every off lane right now,
and then that means you can go through the portal and threaten the enemy carry and take towers.
We've even seen Ghost showing up to the mid tower and just using focus fire.
Even without a kill, he'll just go use focus fire on it, take the tower.
And maybe his CS isn't the highest, but he's the top net worth
because of getting the kills and participating in the game.
I really like this pick.
Yeah, I would like Nemesis to play that way because while game religion,
I think their draft is fine. It is very greedy.
I think it's incredibly slow, so it's also about how much space do you actually get.
I think if Nemesis play well, like, game religions damage is insanely low.
They're like gonna play on Sunstrike Hills early and then they're just praying to God
that they're not getting attacked under their tier one towers.
So if Nemesis do well, they do well in the lanes which they should,
I want them to collapse and really take it to game religion because they need,
they need time and you're not supposed to give it to them.
Yeah, game religion has been watching some extreme gaming, I guess,
because they have, they have this, like, if you don't beat us in, you know,
30 minutes we're going to out late game you and they have insanely good late game dude like
All three of their cores I think are going to be totally fine in this game late game
Even Sven against windrunner is good for Sven like you can
Get the aggoms and I think it's the aggs of the shard the aggs right you need the aggs and perched windrun
That's pretty nice or you probably need the mkb
I think or you can just get mkb and like burst her and two hits right and like in like one stun
So I think that their late game is very good. I'm
Keep I'm worried that they won't get there though because dark seer spearbreaker is not just a normal dark seer
Where he's like afk farming with the bomb they've got the combo
It's a combo like you spearbreaker can get active with the shell and you know that makes dark seer a lot less useless in the early game
less greedy
What are you looking at me? I believe in
Keep talking for a little bit longer before throw the commentators, but we don't need to do that now because that's good
That was really good. You just staring in people's graves
Yeah, so now we can go over to the commentators, and it's no awkward at all. This is some fun in syndrome
Yeah, because it's such a great addition to that panel brings a lot of insight a lot of awkwardness a lot of cards
Yeah, that too, but less interesting less. It's artifact related game to between
Nemesis and a gamer lesion or legion depending on
Which side you're on syndrome?
What that's fine?
I really, really, really like the radiant line of this game, I'll be honest, and that
is in spite of giving away bounty hunter who I consider one of the best heroes currently.
Obviously the win rate in this tournament, not the greatest, he's 1 and 3, but I think
to an extent in a similar vein to the issue that Darkseer has had in the tournament in
terms of his win rate, I think sometimes people are picking bounty hunter without the right
logic.
In this game, I am a little bit worried that they're falling victim to the same thing,
where Bicknum is going to be playing this Bounty Hunter, but he's playing with three
greedy cores, so are they actually going to be making moves to get kills and use the
track?
Is he going to be able to rotate and put pressure on the lanes?
I can see a little funny detail here.
He's going to prevent Saberlight from blocking the wave by doing a little bit of a stun,
and it's very annoying.
So the reason I really like Darkseer here is I've been criticizing multiple teams so
far on how they've picked the Darkseer and not built the lineup with him in mind as much,
but just picked it as, oh this hero is broken, kind of idea.
This game is built around Darkseer.
You've got Spiritbreaker, you've got TinyMid, and you even have the Techies who has a Position
5.
It's one of the better combos with Darkseer as a matter of fact.
So really like that.
Oh, Saberlight.
Try to special the start things out onto Saberlight.
Trying to get out.
In fact, he's trying to get the first blood.
First, the big one pops a fairy fire, so Saberlight will be the first blood.
Tamato gets it as well, which is great for the game relationship.
Joakim almost gets level two.
Because Darkseer dies and he gets the full wave experience.
Classic.
But yeah, this has been one of the better recipes that we've seen against Darkseer.
is to start 3, kill him level 1, slow him down. Not only that, they also blocked Swave
which kind of led to the kill, so nicely done there from Bignum. Comes to the cost of Doom
obviously not having very much fun right in the beginning. He's 0 and 0 in CS, but I'm
sure Fade will find something here in his tower. This is a pretty tough lane for Doom,
the constant harassment between sticky bombs and power shots will be a little bit annoying
to deal with. How about this mid lane? RCY on the invoker versus MOBA's Tiny? Should be
a pretty easy lane for Tiny, so again, until invoker starts getting some points in Exord,
you just have massive damage advantage for last hits. Would you say that RCY has enough
Sunstrike stuns to set him up? He has one. It's not great, I would say. Strong hammer.
there's three. I guess you can do it with double shadow walk hits if you if you
time your shadow walk so you can stun and then Invis and stun again that's a
guaranteed setup. Aside from that you only really have the storm hammer I
would not count arrow. It's not reliable. Yeah we've been seeing a lot of
marauder this tournament and it's almost always with some sort of setup which I
would say they do not have at all. Well they have storm hammer and shadow
Shadowwalk is better than you think.
If you max this out, it's a 1.6 seconds stun, you can do it twice in a row.
Yeah, but you have to be right on top of that.
Sure, you're also invisible.
Oh really? There's no way to see invisible people in this tournament.
There's been games where you'd think that's true.
You've been watching too many turbo games, Cinderella.
No, I've been watching pro games.
I mean that's on them. Yep it sure is.
Norman will be contested on the Lotus Pool here.
I think they're actually strong enough to box him out.
Norman, you cannot get out of this, will blast off on himself.
Bade and Bignum do take damage, but they can still withstand Jackie.
Yeah, he's bottling already off to a nice start.
Level 3 on Doom, they get the Lotus Pool, they get the kill.
That's exactly what game religion needs.
Yeah, they need this early game to not fall apart way too quickly.
Definitely think the radiant lineup has the potential to just completely run away with the game
with a good start and they showed in game one that they can do that.
I think they placed some nice aggression around the map on Nemesis on top, speed, unlucky.
Yeah, indeed.
Mr. Mato, I'm trying to withstand this pressure under his tier one.
Oh, someone tanked the tower!
Joke on?
Oh, my goodness.
I'm not charged quite yet, four seconds away, not gonna go for it.
That is a pretty big mistake there to not redirect aggro somehow.
Maybe you tried to bail the way for him as a...
That's true.
Yeah, this is the price you pay sometimes as Marana 5 if you don't skill leap.
Um, obviously went for 2-1-0 build, so once they collapse on him, he can't really place
way out of it. But still, Tamato gets the trade, so I think they're A-OK with this on the side of
Gamer Legion. Yep, for sure. And RCY also got a Sunstrike kill on Narmin. So he did. So this time
around, the lanes are definitely going better than last game for Gamer Legion. Not like they're
stomping or anything, but last game they had five minutes and I think all top three net worths were
belonging to Nemesis. Far from the case.
Ooh, last up, she's barely clipped him. Charger's coming through as well. Jackie's getting a little bit low, but they're not
able to get close to him. So, Ion's shell comes as big nut. Getting chased. One more right click, actually not even needed, because
of said Ion's shell. Some strike not close. Talk about the dream spirit breaker.
There's your setup arrow
So the problem is it's not long enough to get a big arrow
It's just like a baby arrow. Hey, you need more points and stun before that
Doesn't that go up by point one? Now storm hammer is one point. Oh, it's two point two five two five
Oh, yeah, but level one son is really short duration. I'm gonna have that for a while. No
But yeah, talk about a dream spirit breaker game ion shell and taser
Yeah, that's just running in and the enemy team is
It's cowering, hoping you don't trample them.
Bignum looking at TinyMid, wondering if he can do anything.
The answer is maybe, with Marana's help, could pull it off.
Moby seems to be somewhat aware of his possibility.
Bignum's going to take the arcane room though, his saver light.
Having a bit of a rough start to this game is going to take a star storm to the finish
face. Charges coming for him. Sun strike. Very nicely played from Saberlight. As big
as he's going to try to finish the job, cannot catch up though. And Speed Force uses Leap
but the tree should decapitate him. Not enough. The Firefire will keep him alive. Joke
on. Walk him down. Yeah. That arrow was like a point one second stun. So any early game
Momentum for gamer legion kind of thwarted to some degree
Yeah, the good news for them is they don't need to win this pace of the game if they can just tie
I think that's already pretty damn good. They're very greedy lineup between the three cores and bounty hunter isn't exactly notorious for
Being a lane crusher
It's the movements that
That's what makes him annoying
One for one trade of the wisdoms here
Joke them, or, big num rather, didn't want to show himself there, try to snipe the courier
or go for the wisdom shrine, that's interesting.
Yeah.
We'll try to set up a potential arrow.
Big num was over there blocking the camp as well, so Saberlight will farm this camp.
One goes, the double, Sunstrike's coming as well, it hits and that does a lot of damage.
to model even right-click with God's strength, maybe once.
Either way, a good pick off again for Gamer Legion.
Both these teams are 2-1 in this Swiss group stage,
so Winner moves on to the bracket.
Loser has to lose.
Very aptly put, yes.
Gamer Legion have been known to be...
It's not just the game.
They're actually going to go for a C1 mid.
Power shot.
Power shot to follow.
Toss.
Not quite enough damage.
Focus fire coming from Jackie Boy as well.
On the outskirts of this tower, it looks like Jokun can finish the job eventually.
The first two of the game onto the windrunner.
So Fade making a good rotation.
Two for two at the moment.
Toss up to try to delay, but Jokun goes down to the star server.
Mobe looks to be next.
It's burning to that scorched earth and right clicks to follow.
Two for four.
Bring the Nubba here, that was 5 heroes mid from Gamer Legion, they were ready to respond, very clearly premeditated, if they're gonna go for this we are bringing the whole cavalry over
And of course that was the 4v5, Darkseer unable to connect from Saberlight
It'll take some nice space for it, but still happy with that if you're the dire I'm sure
Making a triple stack of ancients now
See no, oh, well, it's blocked excuse me
Wait did they fail to stack I think it was right that's their own sentry it's outside the box
No, the creep was just on the border. That's pretty easy to stack with only two camps in there. That's a bit of a blunder
Blame the AI
Blame the players
Super guy, Sunstrike, Clipsim, Jokum, can't do much, although, okay, I'd say that, an
iron shell, doing work.
Saberlight has gotten a few kills from the grave, despite all these deaths, it's four
and three.
Yep, but it will be a relatively late home of the Dominator since he went arcane boots.
I feel like most Darkseers we've seen just opt for a potential early soul ring and then
into the helm of the Dominator, but he has two gauntlets from his starting build as well.
So it's a lot of like dead gold, if you will.
For me, this hero is just about getting to DOM ASAP and only getting the intermediary items you absolutely need.
And I can't say that Arcane Booster really needed here.
He'll get it. Soon enough. Fortification to prevent all those creeps from dying.
Moonlight, Shadow, Bignum, double envies right now. Still being charged nonetheless.
Yeah, he's in trouble. They're just letting him, they're letting him go in.
There's the charge, there's the dust.
It's pretty tanky, actually. Shackle into the power shot.
We'll get the kill.
It's not strikes packing a punch at the time.
Good news is, Streetbreaker one of the best heroes to go back to base on.
I should have a connection spell.
So he'll be AOK and ready to go again soon.
Still, all in all, this is going according to plan for game religion, which we could
not say in game number one, so definitely looking much more like this could shape up
to be a competitive game.
I wouldn't say they're out of the woods just yet though, because we're reaching the second
peak, if you will, of the early Darkseer-Spiritbreaker combo.
SP just got level six, and Darkseer now has his Humble Dominator.
So the map is going to quite drastically change in how it gets played.
Say, well, it's going to be cutting waves with the Dominator creep.
And then at the same time, he can also Shell Spiritbreaker,
who can go for ganks on, say, mid or connect bottom and get those kills.
Or you could bring pretty much the entire team top and just look for a strong team
fight around the Darkseer Vacuum Wall, which you've yet to see being used.
So, options are plenty.
And on the dire side, well, we are all happy in the jungle.
That's how it's gonna be for the next 10 minutes.
Sven and Voker, they'll fight when they have to.
Joke of making a charge, has his level six now.
Speed will be fine.
Yep, actually level seven on the Marana, not too shabby.
Well, we want the rune.
I'm not level 60, I'm getting for the gamer legion side quite yet.
And now that the helm is online for Saber Life, you should be able to farm to a decent
rate.
Yeah, this is when the hero kind of just plays itself.
Would you say there's a cookie cutter build for this hero?
Yeah. And you... there it is. Okay. Dom, Shiba, Blink.
I guess you just have to go for the AoE increase in general. The vacuum is just...
It's very good, and obviously the armor is nice too.
I think they're gonna get rid of that 15 talent in the next big patch.
I think they should. Or I mean, if you ask me, I was worried when Kazumstowen was introduced,
whether being able to buy AoE, flat AoE, should be a thing.
I think it's fine.
Would you say it's egregious than anybody else other than Darkseer?
It's the first one that comes to mind for me, it's Tamato getting counted,
Add a Lanch with the charge to follow, a little light shadow,
it's the wall down, there's the blast off, now they have the vision and they will get the kill.
And it's a hefty one.
Big rotations in from Gamer Legion, they wanted a counter fight, but
This is five heroes and big them has his track now fade with doom
It's gonna start shot. I mean dooms in trouble
Charge up at a latch to follow
He came to try to save his teammate and it gets him killed so to course that for gamer Legion any
Momentum that they had kind of nullified to some degree
It's a pretty big couple. They can find a cheeky kill here on the tiny with shadow walk into Marana spells and a Sunstrike
We'll try for it. There's the stun, arrow, sun strike, it is enough.
Moby did not see that coming.
You call him Moba?
Moby.
Thanks for listening.
Maybe you said Moba for sure.
I did not.
You rushed it.
Okay.
Take your time with speaking.
Yeah.
Just like with eating.
It's dangerous.
Deep breaths.
Mopik is dead for another five seconds.
That's good.
Sunspan TV.
Oh, big enough.
A little redirect.
He has charged though, but this is too deep, so he'll be okay.
I say that.
Actually, oh, okay, they might just go for it anyway.
Alright, fully connect with another strike as well.
He waits for the power shot, really well played, it's not enough to kill quite yet.
Blast off, gonna hit on the Marana instead of the mines doing absolutely nothing.
Sunstrike clips Jocum, so in the end, the Spirit Breaker and the Technies are the ones to die.
It was indeed too deep, but fortunately for them, it looks like Bignum just walked into a mine and died on his way out, so at least they get the kill.
Toward the tail end of it.
We've seen Doom yet?
We have not.
He's on your screen right now though.
Yes, he is.
Looking for a Doom target.
Not gonna find it.
Nope. Moonlight Shadow was trying to give him an angle.
Feels a bit late to get the first Doom off.
It does.
Hasn't been Fade's best series so far.
He's got kind of smashed in Game 1 on the Death Prophet.
Oh, this would be a big kill.
Can they go for this? No, they cannot.
Beyond the tower.
If he was continuing over to the left side to the way they would have pounced on him instead now
Speed instead. Yeah. Goodbye. He's coming now. Doon
Would love to use
that ultimate is
Tiny TP's out. Norman not worth the ult
Not needed so it just supports trading lives
I do force the rotation out of gamer legion though oh yeah it's gonna get
tracked here this would be a very nice pick up he's stuck nowhere to go we'll
take out this fade still has not cast that ultimate is it's gonna be a
the glorious doom when we see it.
I can't wait!
There it is!
There it is!
We knew it was coming, and the creeps helped?
Absolutely not.
So Fade gets the kill that he's been waiting for,
and it's a pretty big one.
Jackie, that's his second death on this position 1 winrunner.
This is starting to look really, really good now for Gamer Legion's side.
Got through the tough potential early part against this dark spirit breaker
convo you have 4k gold you have bounty hunter a greedy tricorps that is winning
early can't really ask for much more than that
bait him on the prowl okay nobody was there just here to ward
Shiva is almost complete for Saber-Lite. I mean, what power spikes are they
waiting for exactly? Maybe that exact one. Because they're mid-tiny, it's not
gonna be building like the more right-click variation, it's blinked into
four staff. Yeah. And Jackie's been having a bit of a rough one. He's close to
finishing the Mjolnir though.
So I guess with Ashiva's Mjolnir, that'll be the main power spike for the foreseeable
future on Nemesis's side.
Oh boy.
His courier gets killed though, so the Mjolnir will have to wait.
Unfortunate.
Classic bounty hunter shenanigans.
That's a pretty big deal.
And for the other side, you have RCY, obviously it has the boost to travel and meteor hammer.
Lincoln's is going to be the first main item coming out.
Blink almost online for fade.
And Harpoon just finished by Sven.
He's got Blink, Harpoon, Mask of Madness.
Tamada looking very good this game.
Yep.
I could argue he looks good every game.
Sure, he's an attractive young man.
He's got that going for him even when he gets stumped on Tiny.
He could have been a head and shoulders model instead of Ramesses.
Tamada would be one of my top choices.
Along with KJ, of course, they could have made a team together.
Charge? Okay.
No.
Cancel it.
Oh, that's already one guy did to mines.
The techies special.
Now they're gonna try to hunt for more.
RCY gonna get clipped by the avalanche.
No follow-up, though. Seems...
I say that.
They're throwing everything at him.
They get charged now.
Moby's gonna try to reset.
Not quite in range, Joakim.
Cover of the shot as he gets the Nether Strike off.
So into the toss and into the vacuum now.
They get the kill.
The long chase is successful big num next on the list
Nemesis very nice turn of events for that great job keeping the vision on invoker there
Just one spell at a time giving enough time for spirit break to get charge
Then he charges him gets tornadoed and then they still have a second to have a toss
You want a little bit of this as well spent pops the old tomato looking to finish the rock man. He does
Well, it was not expecting that clearly
nice
Heads up move to recognize that you could get that pick
Other meal there if you complete it
You're gonna take it do you're gonna take a god strength
It's a bit feed away a couple of kills after having a very good engagement
Not exactly the script that they were trying to follow
that's his third death so far has the
was the next item on his radar is the
In Mobile, oh man, he ties up again.
He will not.
Taser applied.
Joke, I'm looking for a little avenue.
Looks like Speed's going to be fine.
So, joking with drums, all the movespeed items with the phase boots and winlays, BKB looks
to be next. I think this game could get really interesting if we go really late
actually. Like we've been talking about how their Tri-Core is crazy late game
right between Invoker and Doom and the burst of spend, but I actually don't
think it's that clear cut. We saw Jin Q's Spiritbreaker the other day. Yeah.
The honestly kind of a carry in that game with how much impact it had late when
it got all the slots, so there's some hope for Nemesis if it does go down the
stretch as well. That's a very good Marana. Speed found once more. Small kill.
In the same vein though, the Marana has been very good this tournament. It's
scaled extremely well and it's been easier to get off than the
Spirit Breaker. Oh, this would be a big connection. With the Blink, we'll
recognize it in time, yeah.
The 2K lead separating number one and two networks between the Sven and Darkseer.
So Savorlight bouncing back really nicely after getting used first blooded, right?
Yep, he was under pressure this game.
But this is what often happens with Darkseer, if you don't shot him down completely, you'll
get some recovery.
What's happened else around the map? He's farming two camps at the same time between
himself and an Iron Shield creep and it is probably, in theory, oh, hello, Tommado.
I'm greeted by the wall and I'm just going to create more illusions for each one that
comes through. That's bad, if you want some beef and you'll get it. Take out the illusions
as well.
That would have been such a cool play if they had one more hero there. If Tiny or Techies
was there. They killed them both, but they can't really commit onto the Sven. They just
don't have enough in the tank between the two of them. And now instead, got some big
cooldowns. Oh, hello, Fade.
On to the high ground. Norman on the run. Moebang. Secure exit as well. Sure won't tower
still up, but not for long. Yeah, we're getting close to that time where to find a big core
kill, you can probably just take Rosh if you're a game religion.
Yeah, I like pretty Sven, it's no joke.
Been a pretty quiet game for Moby, considering this is arguably, if not his best hero, at
least top three, thinking of him I think Tiny, Dragon Knight, Timber, probably, are three
big ones.
I don't know, he just played Ember last game and did an insane job, but it's mainly the
melee strength mids that he's impressed me on.
I don't think he'll get Ember again this series, so don't get used to it.
Yeah, true.
Looking for trouble top, not going to connect on anything. This smokes.
Okay, they'll convert it into a Roche play. This is not that obvious, I think.
Well, they just Sunstrike, so they know.
Oh, that's true. Then it is pretty obvious. Yeah, I didn't see that.
I tracked Armin.
And we'll try to re-aggress here tomorrow.
Already with the God Strength. Looking for an opening.
Could just take Roche now if they create enough space to do that half HP.
And I think that's probably just... Oh, Roche actually relocates though.
This is really awkward.
God Strength is gonna expire before any fight or Roche happens.
So that's a big advantage for Nemesis. They have all their spells.
They should absolutely be looking to take an engagement now with Sven at less than half of his maximum power coming up.
Yeah, Rosh is going to be left to his own devices. Pretty cool play from Nemesis, I have to say.
Bignum's going to be able to spot this in all likelihood.
And there's the track on the mobang. They're going to try to go for Rosh, but you're right. God's strength is down.
I was going to help out from the other side.
They have the info from mines. They'll see heroes moving a bit.
The Forge Spirit will take one for now.
How many mines do you need to put down to kill Rosh? That's the question.
Agro him.
I don't really like this charge from Spiritbreaker here, crossing the entire map in vision.
This is crucial information for Gamer Legion that, well, if he's doing that,
They're probably not roaching right now, so you can see them moving over to try to find an opportunity.
Okay, to the vacuum.
With the sheavers, Tavano using the BKB, no god strength still.
It's about to come back up and that's not going to have the BKB for it.
That's actually really awkward.
They were trying to pull a quick one there between him and the Murano, but didn't get the connection.
That's a big stalemate for the first roach. You don't see that all too often in this meta.
Saberlight fishing for a dust connection not gonna get it, and he's actually pretty low on mana
Okay, here's the backstab gamer Legion in the cover of the shadows doom applied already
You can see the tornado on the mobile stuck by himself as one versus two
That's fake taking a good amount of damage Norman's gonna be the first to fall along with the tiny
But just like that the two dead for nemesis you see spearbreaker charging because so far away
He's gonna come in, uh, okay, cancels it, and then just dies. What was that?
And now the Roche is game-religions. I don't understand why Spirit Breaker is top. I think that's
just a very big mistake, and it's gonna cost them the biggest objective of the game so far.
If you're gonna look for that fight down there, which it looked like they were,
After they force the spin, BKB, you have to have the spirit breaker nearby.
These stuns are so important.
The ULT's from taking up being super annoying, secondary.
The meteorite to the death beam blasts a lot of damage out the jackie.
Just trying to run away the tornado does dodge it.
He is gonna live unless there's a random sun strike after he gets close to fountain.
Still tracked.
He's very scared.
is not going to die from it now.
MKB first fan. So Tamano wants to get through that win run.
Yep.
I don't know how much they're gonna get out of this Aegis in terms of offense, but just
getting the fight out of it at the very least was very nice.
All tier 2s still available for the Radiant, and pushing is, comes with a pretty significant
risk in this game. If you're a little bit, if you lose formation, vacuum wall, charge,
avalanche, blast off, they have four really great combos with Darkseer that you just need
to play around it. If you're a gamer legion, avoid getting caught up in that blender. MadaWoo
will find a couple of mines. Fun and interactive gameplay. Necessary evil. No.
Absolutely not.
RCY.
Okay, he's going to get aggressive because he had only to fight three members of GamerLegion
there.
He's going to get arrowed for his trouble.
And he has been having a very, very rough game, two and six on the mid-tiny.
I don't really know what he was hoping for there, given the heroes he had on backup.
It's hard for us to tell what exact vision he had in the moment, but clearly he was confident blinking in and using Atalanche Toss
With only the Windranger nearby so maybe thought there was only the singular hero there
Bignum has been
Bring some good amount of space. I mean he could be a mine killer when he gets to 15 center and 30% less damage taken in shadow
Walk and I was tranks. Yeah
Just don't clear too many at once
Is this a game for the shard
Yeah, it is very good to put on Sven very good to put on doom
Keep it up RCY. All right. There you go
Did he miss one? What was that?
He just uh, he attacked and then he walked out of the range of the mine, so then it hides again.
I see, oh boy, save her life.
Burst it down and destroyed.
Yeah, this is all gamer league in the game number two. They have woken up it seems.
Panel, talk about it. If they could bounce back, they absolutely have.
Yeah, the most impressive part about this game for me was their, oh, jeez.
I'm in at like 5 to 15 where they brought the numbers had good responses and just didn't let spirit breaker Darkseer run the show
That was a critical
Moment to win and they did
Connection may be here. No speed wall
Which from Nemesis is?
perspective
But from their perspective
Moe Bay's dead. What's what's going up here in the world? That's a interesting place to die all the way at the top right corner
deafening blasted to his death on the cliff
Will join his ancestors the rocks on the wall see well
It's a storm hammer they're gonna use off
Everything and get the kill some more track kills in the pocket of gamer Legion as their lead has
exploded to 16k, that that Roche play was the turning point for sure, and it
felt like they had the advantage if they just forced Roche in some way after
having it go bottom. They got rid of Sven's god strength and then they baited
out or rather he kind of made a mistake himself I would argue using his BKV and
then Spirit Break was just farming top and Gamrelusion made the move instead.
They got away with it and they take Roche. Yeah, since that point they've been
absolutely every moment around the map and this lead is now starting to eclipse 20k at 32 minutes.
Should be more or less a formality if you don't completely get vacuum wombo comboed.
Smoke from them is just that absolutely have to have something good happen for them.
This is just gonna be them bleeding out and for him going to a game three
Haven't really gotten to see them do much saver light has been pretty damn solid this game
Jackie is forming considering how the game is going. It's not too bad
But they haven't really been able to take a fight where he just focus fire somebody and we've already talked about mobile just
Not having any real impact. 4k deficit between him and the second to last core net worth-wise.
Yeah, he is very, very far behind.
BKB will be a big help when he gets there.
Because seemingly his main problem is he goes in and then he dies after casting his spells.
Or, obviously, in a lot of situations he's just been jumped.
Killed off.
of
the mobile is getting relatively close to his BKB
joke them as well so they will have a couple of a guy that has his now
He has to have this item so he can even play fights and he's playing as double ULT and Tornado.
Saverland's pretty close to his as well, so no fun.
Triple B jump.
Oh, hello.
Norman gets a second Lissand live, back he wall onto two with Moeby's and Atlan's, and Kamado already pops his BKB, gets the God Strike off.
Norman can he get to the other side, those Jokers trying to control Kamado, he uses Harpoon to get away.
Techies has fallen.
BKB's now running out, Bay jumps in with the Doom onto Tiny.
Continue to chase as a buyback comes out from the techies
You can be close if he ticks out your lift charge it in the Sunstrike
Our shot gone to fade. He will not live. Okay. No, they did die to fade. That must have been the last take
Nice calculation. Yeah
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Kind of a weird fight
Tamana was in a bit of trouble, but this Harpoon has been absolutely crucial in so many moments.
They haven't really been able to get a clean connection where they get some sort of charge into
Nether Strike with Windranger, focus firing him at the same time and then chaining one additional stun.
And obviously he is very tanky, 35 armor, roughly, and closing in on 4K HP.
And now he has a satanic I believe coming out. Oh dear. Goodness me. Now he has 4.3k HP and a lot of live steel, you know.
And now hex for RCY as well, so we've been talking about these triple VKBs coming out. From the Radiant, well, realistically speaking they have one flight left and then that has to go right.
Otherwise they're going to be bleeding out another 5-10k and the Roche will definitely be on the menu here for the side of Gamer Legion.
Gamer Legion trying to get this monkey off their back to get past the group stage at a tournament.
The dreaded 2 and 3 has been a common trend for them and well they're 2 and 1, so like
he said, pre-series, they have two chances at this.
For Nemesis, this is a team with two stand-ins that I think overperformed most people's expectations
already with the level that they're bringing and seemingly being, I think the most impressive
thing is in some of their games it really looks like they have good cohesion and that
It can be difficult to get in such a short time with players that don't usually play together.
Fade. Okay, not gonna find them. They both blink away.
They've got their minds working for them.
Oh yeah.
With every minute that passes, there's going to be more obstacles placed by Norman to get out on the map.
They must be looking for an immediate flight here.
They are right in, looking for the cow.
Cow's too fast.
Second roche now up.
All gamer legion looking for is one pick-off that can allow them to go for roche for free.
Four-knot.
We're just gonna let them have it and try to hold high enough.
So, Roche banner with the Aegis, we still give the Aegis to Tamano, I guess he's the
one hitting the building.
So it makes it a lot better when you have a laxity, so you don't have to rely on God
strength nearly as much.
Arrow, connection, goodbye, Mr. Mobe, Saber-life, and again, Jules still has the Surge though,
so R.C.Y.
in the area gets dusted, but now a little bit too far away to pursue, and Jackie.
Desperately trying to find that one big DPS out of that game is still a bit of ways
He's gonna take the doom apparently
It's the use of there's a back wall onto the focus fire fade looks to be dead BKB force from Jackie boy
We're gonna get the bounty as well
Doom does kill off darmin in the end
That was not a particularly good fight for gamer legion not very
Just far up right? It's a bit too far in front without the invoker to back him up.
I see why. Looking for a solo kill on the saver light. It's looking pretty damn good, although speed ruins it for him.
Guess you could try to edit him out with the eraser tool on your Android mobile phone.
Very specific thank you.
For the highlight reel.
I appreciate the accuracy, thank you.
There'll be a tier 2 as well.
Ages for 4 minutes.
Daedalus next for Tamato.
And that will replace his boots.
Yeah, he's really, really big.
You should have seen Daedalus well before this, but he did go for MKB obviously.
Hey, mines!
We're assisting the urge to take that wave, must have been very hard.
To care player we're looking at after all, who runs through it.
See if he gets a grander reward down bottom onto the tiny, no.
Just toss and blink away.
Damage on top as well, if they can spot it.
religion just bleeding out the map at 40 minutes here
And now the mines have they've shifted from the triangle slash jungle into the base
Feels bad man feels Narman
in.
Good timing on the banner.
That signals that gamer Legion are looking to push, a lack there to spend, doesn't even
need to God's strength to push consistent.
Needs to respect the potential blink toss though, all into the pre-match.
Yes indeed.
Lotus is going to help a lot.
Pops the BKB, gets the avalanche into the charge as well as the AoE doom is disrupting
the fight.
Focus right on the fade though.
He does have to be careful.
We'll run this out.
time just gets beat down by the Sven. The first death for Nemesis, they do have the buyback
to obviously rejoin the fight. Now they don't have the doom.
Mato still has Aegis though and God's strength. Still opting. Oh, actually it goes very aggressive.
Do need to be a big careful. The vacuum onto two with the blast off. They do get rid of the Aegis.
There's the amalgamation of the deep from fate. It's going to cost Tiny his life and now another
Death for Techies can't get back in the game.
And Tomato, they're going to buy back on everybody
that they can, so the 4 versus 5.
And that's going to force game religion back.
At least for now, Tomato jumps back in with a God
strength that leads the spirit breaker.
And now, Moby, that's going to be a dieback for you.
Finally, the BKB comes out from Tomato,
just brushing off everything as a result.
Saberlight, next on the list, it's a triple for Tomato.
And with these buybacks coming out,
you can see they control the windrunner
and they kill the windrunner.
GG's called, we're going to a game three.
That really well bounced back here from Game Religion after a tough game one.
They once get to break it down, really feels like what they needed to happen was to get
out of the leading stage in the early portion of the game unscathed and they did more than
that.
Not only did they survive the earlier parts against this high aggression lineup with tiny
Spirit Breaker and Darkseer, they actually won the first 15-20 minutes and that is...
the game with four blank daggers.
That's good.
You're wondering.
I thought that was a bug when the game was still going,
but no, he ends with four drastically lowering
the win rate of the item.
I guess you could.
Does that count as times four?
That's really the question.
Let's go to Richard.
But I think we can plainly say that we're happy to see this
go to a game three.
I can't tell if you've been sarcastic or not since then.
It's hard to know.
But yes, a much better draft from Game of Legion,
and certainly the execution was there.
It was looking grim for Nemesis
from the very early game, really.
No, absolutely.
Also, I think already starting with the trial in
against the Darkster, which you need to start being ready
for this, if you're the Darkster player.
Saberlight still plays very well,
but you've got to take some of these openings away.
And I think this time, Game of Legion just played way better.
And at the same time, I think Nemesis,
they did kind of drop the ball in this game,
and who shorts yeah I don't want to beat around that bush to be honest I feel
like this is a pretty scrappy game there was there was that like charge to the
top lane and then game religions like okay we've been sitting around the roast
bit for like two minutes trying to trying to fight it like let's use this
opportunity spearbreakers like halfway across the map even though he's a
global hero it's still like with a Sven in Boker man you can burst one hero like
one second you have to be there on all five heroes so it's a little bit of a
lack of discipline there from Nemesis but very good on Gamer Legion to like
capitalize on these opportunities when they did see them. Yeah I mean I don't
want to say it was like a mirror image of the first game but I mean basically
once Gamer Legion got on top credit to them they didn't take their foot off
the throat of their opponent didn't give them those windows and it was really
really tough for Nemesis. Yeah I just think that this time around Gamer
were a little more I think aware of how the game is actually going and what the
heroes can do and we did talk about it before that they do need time and I think
that honestly in this game they didn't need that much because I think Nemesis
they didn't really hit like their plays and their timings all that well but it
did also come from game religion like having the right heroes in the right
place I think Tomato on Sven I think he played very well. They didn't really give
them all that many openings I think like Jenkins was saying before like around
I think there were moments where Nemesis should have been a little more decisive, but apart from that, I think it's a good game from Gamer Legion.
Yeah, and look, I want to just highlight RCY. You know, we've seen a few invokers at this event. One of the things Sons Fan and Cinderin have been doing somewhat cruelly.
Really? Let's say Sunstrike Watch or something?
Yeah, Sunstrike Watch on PCN. And I think he had one game where it was like he was using it for vision and info, and then we were like, well, he's already got a 25% accuracy.
He was like, it was kind of a bit bad, but I will say RCY definitely showed a lot on this hero, showed the versatility of the new looking Voker and where it's at, so a fantastic game from him.
For me, the MVP was Tomato, something that I've been really... Disagree with production.
I just got a disagree with production. I think RCY played great, but to me, Tomato, you know, Sven is one of his best heroes, historically speaking. He looks really comfortable on it.
There we go.
That, there we go.
Don't encourage him.
Don't encourage him. I knew if I disagreed that they would put it on the screen and then I look powerful
Why was just finding your analysis boring? Yeah, fair enough, but he's he's he's like it was all me
That's that's I mean I'll say this there's one thing I do live in a game like that where it's like if you get out to a good
Early start and you've got to spend to come in the mid to late game. It's just like a nightmare
You know this you're like also he's I think it's just a good here at the moment
It's very good against the darks here
But the one thing that we were missing or were you missing the agonist the superman's man?
Yeah, I think you should have gone eggs and no points and stun. That's definitely the good the good build
No, I his build his build was was ideal like I liked the the early harpoon
There was some like I think if you're a confident Sun player who wants to show up the fights
Who wants to have that impact then going for early harpoon blink these sorts of items like looks really really good
And you could see the confidence when Saberlight dropped the wall on the portal and it was like he was like 1v2 on Sven
And he just stunned old harpoon himself in he's like I know what I know what's happening here
Like this is a this is a bait you don't have all your heroes here
And if you do I'm gonna take out like one or two of you guys before I go down
It's like this is the sort of giga chat play you want from a Sven
All right, this is strength hero this ain't some anti mage farming like
He's ain't a cock. He's the he ain't a cock. He ain't a cock. That's what I'm trying to say
Yeah, nice. Well, we'll stay with you, Andrew. We want to take a look at something that happened at 27 minutes. Yeah, this is a bit
Flamie, but to be honest, it was it was a big opening in the game and Cinder and pointed it out
Like look at spearbreaker on the map. Look where he is. Hmm
You have a Sven with BKB and the BKB
Piercing hero who has the darkseer combo is on the other side of the map. I think this was the BKB
that he's going to have to
be revealed from our boy on
Windranger, where he has to just
be KBTP out and then. What is
that almost charging it to like
make up for the fact that. He
wasn't there in the first place.
Save your buddy syndrome type
types it like there's something
psychological going on there
that the coach is going to have
to discuss with the boys after
this one because that was that
was a little disconnected. I
think they were just feeling
uncomfortable that they were
like wasting a lot of time in
front of Roche, so they sent the
But it actually was definitely a mistake and very very good on game religion to capitalize on that
Yeah, and I think like also when you look at the stats here like I think mobile's network was very low in this game
Oh, it's like invoker is supposed to have it higher
But also when you looked at the hero damage like the difference between the wind range and the sun
It's not that high but the problem is from this point onwards Jackie can never manfight or even show up in a team fight against
Tomato he has an aim like at this point you're supposed to be like doubling the hero damage
You want to be ahead on the wind ranger
You're the overall last pick of the entire draft and I don't think he put in like the impact of having this pick of the draft to play like this
Mm-hmm final thought for me land you before we go to break. I
I do agree. I mean I am questioning the wind ranger pick a little bit after this
I was really expecting like the a ghost level performance and there does seem to be a big difference for Jackie boy
Was a ghost level performance. He didn't show up. Oh
Oh, that's good. That's good.
Stand it on that one. Right, we're going to a break.
Kenzo had a zigger. Bye. See you after.
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Why? Why, why, why?
For me, I'd say it carries the center of the most in the games.
and I guess like, add roles like more early game to the game, I'd say.
Hmm, I see.
Yeah, I guess for me it's a nine because I play carry, you know like,
you start buying like rapiers.
I mean, I like the, it's kind of like, you don't get many times, there many times, right?
And if it's like an important game, it's kind of like,
just something you've never played before, like some minute, 80 minute game,
like in some good team, game tree, you know, it's like super hype.
And then every decision matters. It's so fast, right?
It's a new set of finger.
For me, I'd say I only have a couple.
Like the center the most, so definitely get sick pan.
I usually play very meta heroes, so I feel like they'll ban like two heroes usually.
Like last one was like, people would ban non-glued, and then they would ban Nessif.
And then from there, yeah, so it's like below five.
Yeah.
And for me, I feel like this hero is a annoying player against,
Like, not a lot of people understand how to play against it.
It's like, you just can have a vision that can work pretty much.
And just healing towers for the game.
Makes it pretty hard to play.
See.
And I...
When I agree, I think he's like, super strong, but...
I also feel like, out of the imbas of last patch, like...
I would have preferred to play against Triant.
Like, I feel like he was really good at laning, baiting and stuff, but...
For example, for me, like, some laundry could just solo win the game.
Well, a triant is like, he's not gonna win you the game.
It's just kind of like, make your life easier.
So, I thought if I had to choose, then like some SF, some laundry, some triant,
I would choose triant, something like this.
It'd be favorite, like, try playing it here, but it was just too hard play.
I think I like 10 scrims, at least five.
Playing it this way, and I would choose.
Easy to execute and high impact, right?
I mean, I guess I don't... I just started playing with the guys, you know, like I just got to meet you guys.
But I feel like people are not like angry or anything, but definitely like, because I think most daughter players and these team is non-exclusion.
It's like, you communicate bad.
Like, I feel like people just talk over each other
and they're like, be like, I think you're wrong.
And so it's like, not really aggressive,
but it's just not really good communication.
Well, I can say like, online,
but it's like, bad attitude.
I mean, I've only played online, right?
So when I got the bad stuff, that's why.
I'm not winning this. If I could bring speed, maybe. If I'm allowed a plus one, I can see it.
Big Nome is a big guy too. Maybe I can send him to distract. I don't know, maybe I can do it in Mungu.
I need a guy to distract the wolf and then I'll hit the wolf, but I'll feel like I'll do no damage.
So
We're pretty much I would say I'm like the big pretty much destruction to me the baby
Like if you to be on the wall, there's no way we're with me. Yeah, yeah, we're not gonna win
All right guys somehow we found our way to a decider never says game in Legion when I say gamer you say Legion gamer
Legion never mess Legion and we go excellent
We're going to see who wins this one to keep their tournament, actually to go through.
Yes.
He's so used to saying that with Gamer Legion.
I'm a pilot.
I'm in the Gamer Legion series.
I'm expecting someone to go home and it to be them, but not true.
They could actually win a Valhalla series and go through to the playoffs.
Yeah, they're doing okay.
And you know, they're 1-1 in the series.
I feel like after the last game, they were looking.
They're probably feeling pretty good about that.
They should. They definitely got the momentum overall on their side.
It's a bit more, I think, on nemesis to try and understand what they want to do here.
They should be looking at an Ember, because the DK is banned out,
and the tiny while, it is one of his best heroes.
It fell flat pretty hard last game for Moby.
I know that he really likes his bling, four-staff, travels, octavine build,
But it relies so much on other people to also like pick up the missing damage and obviously that was not the case last
He needed he needed a carry to like have impact because I agree
There was some stuff he was doing that game that I was watching and as a tiny enjoyer myself
I'm like this guy tinies bro like that long chase on RCY where he's keeping enough distance that he can't get his blink
cancelled and
You know constantly kiting him tossing him back and then eventually they kill him that was beautiful
But like you said, you're not going to carry the game on Tiny if you're playing like that.
And we highlighted this hero at the start of the day, the brewmaster.
Yep, the new meadow. I mean, hero has looked just solid, and it's like another one of those things.
He was not picked a lot at TI. I'm pretty sure he was barely picked there.
Here, he's been played four times, hasn't lost yet. It's looked good.
Yesterday, Zealot also went for the orchid against the lifestealer, so you have different avenues, even if you get countered.
So, yeah, I like this one.
It's definitely good.
I probably a big part of why the hero has come back into the meta is because of, you know, shadow fiend falling off.
I was going to say shadow fiend, Lena, but in half of the game's last patch, it was just shadow fiend carry.
Like legitimately, this hero won TI, right?
So, not having this crazy, you know, triple raise, extra souls, damage guy that you have to lane into has done wonders for Brew.
because his problem was never outside of the laning stage, he's always suffered in lane.
And he's also like, in a lot of these games he's just good against a lot of the supports,
like against Willow, if you're in your brew split, all of the spells, you can dispel them,
your team gets terrorized, you can take it off, curse crown, brambles, everything if they walk
into it, so it's just overall nice. What you want to make sure is that when brew has a split,
that either you can go to him or he can collapse on like the mid tier one tower. Obviously that
is usually the case, but if you're Nemesis, you want to have a carry that usually is able to hold his lane.
Lifestealer is one that comes to mind, and at the same time he holds his tower,
but he can also like TP mid. When you get Dove, he can infest, give HP to some guy, and like delay the play.
So you kind of want to, you want to damage control the brewmaster in the early game.
I like that idea, the lifestealer. Any, any situation where you can
give a lifestealer impact in the early game makes the hero feel so much better, because he is usually, you know,
afk until
Radiance pretty much and his impact is like pushing and holding a lane right so just a little bit more is really really nice
So if other heroes come out where the opportunity presents itself definitely nemesis will think about it
See what are the like the broken supports left? I mean hoodwink. Yeah, the really obvious one
Maron is out wink is the most picked hero this for life. Yeah
Well, it's a cock a lion. Oh, thank you for cock
I like it. This is another hero that speed has been talking about for like honestly feels like months now as this underrated
very strong position for
You have scaling you could even do some like crazy right-click scaling build if the game is going
I love the finger stacks if the game is going well enough
You have great stun great laning you can you know suck brewmaster and kind of counter suck
You can suck the creeps and then suck the brewmaster negative suck and give him the mana which is really nice
Oh, Sven is just
Generally taking higher priority in this years
I was not expecting that to be honest because I felt like the Sven was more of an answer to like the dark seer for example
But I guess after seeing tomorrow's performance on it nemesis is just like okay. Well, this is just a good hero
I mean he is pretty good against Bru, I don't think it's like as, it's not really that one-sided, so I'm not fully sure how much I love it being picked like this early on.
Obviously you do see the offense, you can pick your carry, I can follow that, but like Bru is not the easiest hero to burst, he can also obviously build like AC, Vlad's.
And Sven is generally here, he wants to win the teamfight fairly quickly, like on his BKB, on his God-Spring, so if you don't kill Bru before he splits or during the split you don't win early,
Bru will generally win like the dragged out fight.
Alright, just run back to Unvoker, cause why not?
Lion is some of the best Sunstrike setup in the game, so I can understand that.
And if you cold snap somebody and Bru ults, it's so much damage over time and like small instances of damage that you'll kill almost anyone.
Yeah, there's multiple things that's pretty nice so far about this game religion draft.
I think first of all the brew lion combo like generally brews very good at team fighting at some point if brews having a good game
It's very difficult to team fight into him, which then makes you want to not team fight
So you're gonna split the map, but lion's very good at catching
You know if the Sun strike set up the Jenkins talked about you also get the alacrity with the earth panda
It's very good later. So
Again, I would say it's invoker picking him like this out in the open. It's a bit greedy
It relies on can the enemy team actually punish it which I think they should be able to issued
But now this depends again on moe base hero pool. There's no earth spurt in the pool
There's no DK ember will second phase band. So what is he gonna look at?
Think again, it can be pango, but he hasn't really picked it much from what I understand
Tiny didn't really do that much last game. So I would prefer if they switch it into something else
Little casual bane so you have
One of the best supports is setting up Sunstrike.
Yes.
So these two casters can be yapping about some low Sunstrike rate here, unless RCY gets a heart attack.
This is so good because all of the heroes that you mentioned that are good against Invoker are not good into Bane Lion.
Like Poc, Pango, Void Spirit, even Kez, which was banned out in previous game.
These are all terrible into the supports of Gamer Legion.
And then Bane is also very good against Fenn, BKB piercing disabled against a guy who's entirely reliant on BKB.
Very good drafting from Gamer Legion this time around. I'm curious what Nemesis is going to go for.
The 18th pick, it's got to be the mid right. I suppose since you already see the mid matchup, maybe you go for something else here
and protect it with the two bands. That's an option, like their Saberlight Offlane hero, maybe?
They could. I don't know exactly what Offlane they would want. So there's definitely some
matters where if you have a comfortable Kunkka player, I think that's a hero you could go for
from mid. It's not a good hero overall, not good, no. But against Invoker, it's okay. It's considered
pretty decent against Brew. You can try to outlive the split and stuff, but they'll go more generic.
I do think that GamerLegion covered this pick very well.
Jenkins mentioned that both their subs are good against most mid-picks they would look for.
So I don't think that this is some crazy puck pick by any means.
33%? Oh, it's only three picks, okay, fair enough.
Lots of bands though. Usually it's
getting banned when there's not a lot of disable on the
in this situation it's very
very hard to play puck. Yes.
It's a underwhelming hero. You saw it at TI as well. I think the Seru just has received a lot of nerfs.
You need to be like a Nisha type player where you go 15-0, you're not dying, you're really playing to the limits.
You're constantly linking in with silence, which played a guy or about come back in.
At least what's good for them is that they have the coil-terrorized combo, so you're gaining a little bit of the other things, not just Park himself.
So it's fine, but I'm not really sold on it.
really good drafting from game religion and they also have last pick as well
yeah like this is this is a tough situation for Nemesis to be in what the
saber chat want here I mean it would be nice because right now none of these
heroes really want to like Sven later doesn't mind going first but puck needs
some time Sven needs time so having it here that can either be somewhat in front
or like be an anchor to the fight, I think would be quite nice.
The problem for Saberleit is the pick that's coming out is also the carry.
So whatever he picks should be kind of generically good in lane as well.
Which last time there in this situation, it was Doom, but it was the other side.
Like we often see Doom as the 23 pick when they don't know what they're going to be flying up against
What's a very good? It's always been a good answer to brew
So then it just depends on if they feel like they can cover it. So I wouldn't be opposed to doom. I think that's
pretty okay
So kez is out
I mean they also didn't like really I don't think they're gonna like take some on the lord or a tight hunt around
If you wanted to do that this band would have needed to be like some ursa
Which they did not cover
And what what what is Kez own in Lane, I mean Mars, but they're not gonna pick Mars Centaur
Is one guy he owns. Yeah, I mean sent. Yeah centaur against brew
It's pretty good. You can ult away from the brew split, but not the greatest against like lion. Yeah, it's not good against the subs
I don't I don't feel like you would ban life stealer kez if you're gonna pick like undying
but undying does I I don't think anything beats undying in lane when it's undying off lane but
then you have an undying in your game and you question it is a hero that goes in first you
know kez who was asking for but then you question something feels a little off about it in terms
draft integrity
You some night stalker, I don't know
The subs could be cool night suckers a really cool idea. I love that idea. I think this pick is difficult for several
I forgot that heroes in the pool if I'm honest
I'm joining you
It's of course good we talked about Darkseer a lot. It's good with Sven
So let's see about if they did cover it correctly
What's up in Tomato's wheelhouse?
I think Ursa is making somewhat of a comeback.
I think the heroes are good against Darkseer, heroes are also good against Venn, so that's
one thing they could consider.
I like the Ursa a lot.
I think that's a great idea.
It's like the classic.
There was a patch there where if Darkseer was picked, it was just in to Ursa as a response.
Let's see what the...
A faceless void is also pretty good.
They have a faceless Void Invoker.
Oh, Void's cool.
Yeah, yeah, actually, both of those are kind of cooking.
They go with more of an active hero, which I suppose
kind of makes sense.
If you're, you know, Brew's pretty greedy,
he's going to go for like the Midas Ags,
and then he's really online.
Sometimes Ags Midas, and then Invoker, obviously,
is very greedy.
So a carry that can kind of be the person running around
making some space instead of taking it.
I think this turn-on is also a good test for me to see, because now the matchup is kind of reversed.
I think last game it was Jackie who had the last big Windranger against his van, didn't really work out all that much.
I think this is a bit similar. I'm expecting Tomato on this Windranger to do a lot.
They have good lanes, he has Alacrity later, he has a good matchup into this van.
You free farm against a Darkseer, he never really pressures you.
You're high move speed hero even with our boots, just using any types of spells.
So I think that game religion has really kind of turned this whole series around from early
on.
Better drafting, better gameplay, and I will give them the edge here in this game.
There is some pretty insane wombo combo on Nemesis with like coil, vacuum, and Sven potentially
to provide damage, even terrorize.
So at the very least, I think we'll be getting some really cool team fights in this game.
And there's a brew on the flip side.
So both teams are like, come at me, let's fight.
Just a matter of who gets the initiation, who they go on.
If Saber gets caught first, for example,
I think it's completely devastating for Nemesis.
But if you can chill in the back line and hit a big vac,
he has some heroes to follow it up.
It could be really good for them.
Even if they don't do that well in the laning phase, they could.
We saw Sven versus Windranger in the last game.
Very good for Sven once the game goes late early on it should be win ranger favored
But that depends on how the early game goes I have faith in tomato and then the Sun strikes from our side
There's like 18 billion stuns. This is a 10 and 0 invoker game
Okay, you're doing the
Yeah, you've said your point I'm gonna keep staring at you so please continue I like a religion mr. Richard Lewis
Yeah, you know I really do yeah
Just a few more seconds. Just a few more seconds Jenkins. Give him the pack. Just give him the pack.
Oh, no, he has to. We will do that later. No, next game he's got a chance. He hasn't won it in this one. His analysis has been sub-hard best.
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Richard Lewis, Kezu, and the other guy. SunSan here with Cinderan. Game three. Game religion,
have a chance, Cinderan. They have a chance to prove NA haters wrong for once.
What is the stronger curse? Wait, never mind. They're actually both curses against them,
so that didn't really help. I was like, what's the stronger curse? Is it the two-three curse or
or the curse of NA, and both of them are on the same team.
That's why it's so difficult.
They have to overcome some serious adversity
to make their way into the top eight here,
but they've got themselves a good shot.
They're one game away,
which is also the game-religion special, by the way.
Generally, when they go two and three there,
oftentimes they're tied for their elimination round,
but this is not the elimination round yet.
That would be the next one if they were to lose this game,
where we're running some stuff back.
Saberleih will be playing the Darkseer again,
but this time his carry has way more synergy with the hero.
However, the rest of his lineup,
depending on the type of fight, maybe a bit less,
you don't have that spirit breaker
or tiny to put shells on that go in.
Instead, you have big combos with vacuums.
So then you need to land those instead.
And well, catching from last game,
that didn't seem to be all that big of a problem.
It just fell too far behind
in the early mid-portion of the game.
Yep.
It's funny.
We see Darkseer every single game coming into this.
You were saying this is the best hero.
They're going to take an entire wave one to nine.
And it's getting through pretty late now.
It's not even being picked early in the draft.
I am genuinely shocked that this hero is not doing better.
And we have a nightmare.
Into the power shot.
Tamato's in a really weird spot.
So the Framble's making this very difficult.
He's going to get first blood by Jocum.
Not even Norman is going to fall and speed will get a courier at the very least, but not the greatest of starts for gamer Legion in this lane.
They have found the counter to the Darkseer getting tri-lane level 1.
What if we just start as 3 and they start as 2?
Oh, yeah, that's a tough one.
Norman going to get stricken in the trees.
Goodness.
Nice snipe.
Did he just TP?
He did.
He did. He didn't gate.
That is pretty bad
Okay, Jackie can't be too happy with that
We'll see how much he gets bullied in the time it takes the squirrel to get on over there
It's gonna be so XP if he can get some undenied creeps. The good news here. It's a lion brumester lane
It's not some S tier
Super oppressive duo off and I just say I am so happy to see more blue master
This is the second game we've gotten to catch. It's one of the most fun heroes in Dota
to just been so forgotten for so long they just screwed him up from a design standpoint
center. They added that fourth spirit, they added this weird garbage in between. Remember
they had that patch with fire doing extra to blow whatever that was?
Oh that was fun.
So weird.
They genuinely did a Pokemon patch.
How long did that last?
A week I think.
Really?
That was it?
That was a little longer.
They got rid of it really fast.
damage. If you did fire damage, Cinderbrew would get extended. So you would pick like
fire heroes like thematically. I think conceptually that's kind of cool. It's
just it's such a large change and it wasn't really fleshed out very well.
I know. But I'd be into that like little avatar element situation. Probably then you
have to apply an element to every single thing in the game which is kind of
Difficult I would say so you said they screwed up room as to when they gave him a fourth spirit
And I got rid of it later. So what's the problem now? I don't know. Okay
Thank you. Well, I don't think okay. I
Overstated a bit. I didn't think the fourth spirit idea was bad
It's just the fourth spirit that they added was weird. Okay, they could have done a better job with the fourth spirit
This will be a very interesting fight. I don't know if gamer legion are expecting to win this one
They're calling in on 4th HP on Brewmaster pretty much.
Yeah, he's not going to be able to stand on that much longer.
That Lotus goes to Jackie.
Gonna pop it for that Storm Hammer.
And they're gonna get big none.
Eventually, surely, no.
Is he not ticking out for that Paladin?
Oh my god, he's actually gonna live.
That 10 HP, but the last second throw out for Narmin is enough.
I don't understand why they went to that Lotus pull.
This is the second or third time.
Well, it's the second time this series.
last time it was the other way around where it was Nemesis trying to fight in the if you
Remember in the bottom lane against the doom with their techies win
Oh, oh my that's nice
By the way, we were correct. How are we? What do we do? Hold that thought saber light you're gonna go for the deny
He will not get it so a double kill for speed
All of a sudden this bot lane looking good for gamer legion. It's just lots of back and forth
Tell me the correction so I can talk my way out of it.
The correction, uh, apparently you're able to nightmare somebody in place by, uh, alt-clicking.
Oh, with alt-toggle, yeah.
This was a conversation from two days ago.
Yeah, nice that you remember. I'm impressed. Usually you forget what you said ten seconds ago.
That's a good point. It's more like the information. It's like it's lagged.
So sometimes a couple days later it'll enter my brain at random times.
There comes the jet lag again.
Well, this one's a different kind of lag, it's more on the lines of brain damage, I think.
Oh, that's what it is.
Appreciate you working with me.
I mean, I believe you.
It's a charity.
I've thought about it myself, that could be what we're working with.
But when I say stuff like that, the community says we hate each other and we're really mean.
That's right.
Honestly, we're just trying to diagnose each other.
The constant diagnosis attempts make sense. I like to self reflect like this. I appreciate that
Yeah, I'll very brain damaged if you
That is actually a good I like that phrase that's a really good phrase I would normally say let me give you some feedback
Like that one a lot. No positive feedback looks to be dead. That's true
It's fade
He's gonna be a okay. He is a tanky boy
Looks like he's opting for
After the phase boots of course for an orchid, which is cool. We don't see that every time on the brew
We almost never do
I've never seen it, but yeah, I mean that's it's consistent
It's an interesting idea against pucked arcs here, but it comes at the expense of not getting axe
Which makes your hero a lot stronger during splits. That's right. Nice comment be okay this time
I think it's off the war cry now under the tier one
But the Thunder Clap into the right clicks will be more than enough to thick the squirrel out.
The speed is owning on this Bane Elemental 3 and 0 start.
It's kind of fun this whole thing about standing still with Nightmare.
The reason it didn't even cross my mind that you could still do it is that nobody ever does that.
Like, when's the last time you've seen a Nightmare cast not move the hero?
Maybe they don't know.
I genuinely... I've played with and against this hero quite a bit in the last half a year
And I don't remember a single nightmare cast that wasn't moving the hero people always do it
So I mean it's also it generally will just be better, right?
But it's something like Sunstrike it could be you know
Sunstrike what does not hit actually some Normans could be able to get off the bush whack in the meantime big
Now isolate some rest of his team chased out by Jackie and even Moe Bay making a pretty big rotation
Just to kill the lion bit of an overextension. I would say
Shacked him on the other side into the focus fire, Saberlight is dead, but Tamato is in the tower, he goes down as well, but no XP for Saberlight, the very least from game religions perspective.
That's a pretty important last tower shot to hit, otherwise Tamato would have also steal in the wisdom shrine.
Oh yeah, true. So crucial in that instant, Sunstrike top, open up on Norman, push back to follow, brain set, doing a healthy amount of damage on Norman.
And it's fade halfway to his six
Let me play some brewmaster
Again, it's been a while
So you're a good in turbo. No, that's why you're not playing it
Don't hate
nightmare again
Sun strike
Into the impale
He's actually coming here. He's dead.
Jackie, nowhere to go.
The Sun Strikes are adding a ton of value to these two lineups that they've just played, doing a very good job at taking advantage.
Watch damage is right now, 325 pure.
Out of the last three or four kills they've had, they were only possible.
Yeah.
So they're definitely utilizing it too. It's potential here.
That's always nice to get a double bounty on the enemy side.
Yup.
Stack for Jack.
Yeah, but speed is going to get the nightmare.
Sunstrike again, not going to be that much follow-up because of the bush box.
Going to delay, the big dumb is on the other side with the impale.
We just need to get some blocks to get the hex and fade.
They might just be able to kill him with the supports.
It's going to be close.
Jackie does find the distance it looks like.
Um...
Impale's coming though.
Somehow.
Did they hit?
No.
That was close.
Random Sun Strike?
Question mark?
It's got it available.
You can do it.
You can do it.
Scan them.
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh, baby!
RCY Beast Mode enabled.
And unfortunately, Tumano will be dying on the bot side.
The map gets the coil off and Saberlight finds the kill so they get some sort of a trade.
It is a good one, position one for position one.
That Sunstrike was filth incarnate.
It really feels like SCAN was designed by an Invoker player.
Very true.
There's another Sunstrike, RCY is destroying this game.
Three kills, two assists, feels like, does that seem right to you?
Feels like it's more than that.
Well, I don't think the game is bugged, so I guess not well it is but not that
That's surely other bugs like anyone
Marana not having a mouth sometimes and you know, it's really important
Heroes randomly being bald every 10th game these kind of things
That's just heroes randomly being stuck in flail animation until they die. I love that one
That one has actually been a buck for the entire history of the game. I think
The whole flailing thing, I seem to remember it all the way back.
I have another bug, I have to hold that thought Jackie. It's a level 6 Bane in the Sun Strike. It's another kill, my goodness.
Gamer Legion looking super good right now.
Yeah, Jackie has nothing. He is completely out of it.
Now the question is how do Gamer Legion lose this and go 2 and 3 from here?
Can they find a way?
It's very bad when you're Sven, Sven is complicit.
I see why, with that killing spree there's going to be a TP canceled and actually gives a little bit of vision so Jokum won't find any targets.
I see why in the tree line now.
Very aggressive play. Speed just continually staying on the other side of the map. The enemy territory is his territory.
That was guaranteed mid tower, they see each creep from brewmaster.
No defending this.
Trying to pressure tomato, baited out one TP, two TP's.
Okay, not bad.
One got cancelled, speed will stay in the top half.
Was Lycan in the pool?
Not sure.
When they picked Darkseer in this game, wasn't this... this would have been pretty sick-like in the game.
I guess they didn't know it's carry matchup, but against Bane Lion, that's like the dream summons game.
Also pretty good against Invoker, I would say.
Maybe he has to start using spells defensively to just deal with wolves and...
...dom creep.
But maybe he'll spand out, I'm not sure.
So Hero Saber, like, does play, so... might have considered it, but...
And Darkster is just irresistible, that 28% win rate, I can't say no to that, got to drive it further down to the top.
They were listening to you saying it's the best hero in Dota right now.
That is the biggest surprise of the tournament for me, is that Darkster is doing so badly. That's the number one surprise.
I thought this hero was going to be the number one thing that everyone was expecting was for you to be wrong on your big prediction.
So, that's, well in that case, I can't have an opinion.
Cause I'll always be wrong.
I can still be an opinion.
Oh, okay.
I can't have a right opinion.
You can't speak facts.
Right.
Just check your sources.
Well, for what it's worth on day one at the very least,
the teams were heavily in agreement.
The first series of the tournament,
and it still is being banned and picked a lot, just with lower priority and still not seeing the results.
They've got him, they've got him getting going on.
Faith does have his primal split. Some strike is enough, so mid TP, they get a support for support.
Still working on that orchid.
Anxious to see what they're able to get out of that Orchid reveal.
It's not like you can blink and surprise them.
Oh, you can just walk in, nightmare someone, walk over Orchid and kill the puck, or Orchid
Integrip.
Out of smoke, it's actually pretty reliable to use.
But yeah, obviously you want beggar too.
A lot of questions.
Speaking of smoke, both sides have.
T'amato's gonna take it.
It's not gonna be Shacklin' at all.
They get one riptid, one boil onto three.
Sunstrike will hit the puck into the finger of death,
and now the fiends grip.
Tornado comes out, Saberlight deleted.
So, great turnaround here from Gamer Leisure.
They're gonna find a third to form up Darman.
Looking to finish off T'amato, game happening.
He gets the double.
Damn, nice response. That was really, really clean.
From Gamer Legion, landing absolutely everything.
In spite of a three-man coil anthem, well, they just missed the shackle shot, like we said, but...
They didn't need that one to connect. They just needed everything else.
Darksr sucks!
Now watch him be unpicked unbanned in the playoff stage.
Oh man, that'd be crazy.
Well, there's probably one of the top teams in this tournament that's not gonna run out,
I would imagine.
That does not seem like an Amar hero, or he has, but I think he will want a really good
reason to play it.
That's right.
Easy kill.
After you buy now, five kills, zero deaths, five assists.
Okay, as I said, it was going to be a 10-0 invoker. He's halfway there.
Yeah.
He's probably already hit 10 Sunstrikes, so if they all were kills, he would be...
The Orchid reveal onto the puck couldn't have turned out any better than this.
Gracious Miomai.
Gamer Legion looking extremely good. 5k lead.
Yeah, they're stomping right now.
And Nemesis, they need time.
Sven had such a bad start that he's still fifth in net worth at 15 minutes. It's terrible to be there on that hero
And I don't know if they're gonna give them the space gamer leaders just gonna keep being aggressive keep looking for trouble
Got the Bane to set up. They got line set up Sunstrike or Kid Rue this there's just you can just look at any duo
If they're heroes basically and they kill the Sunstrike
There's so many ways to make plays love seeing the type of line of an action when it goes well
As a result, for Nemesis, you gotta be very,
very careful with how you move around on the map
and which pairings you choose to play in.
You're not playing with any obvious saves,
so if your heroes do get stunned and silenced,
they're probably just dead.
Can't protect them in any way.
Saberlight will be found here.
Impale comes out, Orcid on the way.
He's gonna get slowed up, stunned up, and sun's fricking.
RC wise kills keep getting stolen though, so Kazoo might not get his 10-0.
Now the Mjolnir comes out for Tamato.
This probably seems about right for once.
Good job Dota Plus.
We haven't been keeping track of if it's been correct though.
Like forget about the percentages which one are they favoring and do they win? Yeah, I mean it doesn't really matter
Nina does your face. That's right
The face for broadcasting
Substrate also miss. Yeah, he can miss guys RCY. Well that was also just totally blind, so
used it for vision according to the panel.
It was a scouting sun strike that one.
Really wanted information in that area right there.
Like BZM did 25 times in that game.
Scouting, scouting.
Still a debate in the green room.
We watched two different games.
It's interesting that that's even a conversation.
There's a lot about the human mind I think.
What was the saying again?
the brain damage one I forgot I probably have it
it was good we need to save that one
for the future that's very brain damage to viewers that was there you go
damn that's good link online
for Jackie okay
potential playmaking but again you gotta be very careful against the brewmaster
he has split orchid so has even used split
No, he doesn't need to he's just walking around
Fat cell
Okay, gets it onto the pot nice nightmare dog for now. There's the primal split
He's gonna be a okay against the stun onto this vent RC Y gonna slow him up as well
The meteor is there with the deafening blast and you can see pages burning him away
They put RC Y on McCliff, but I don't know if they can do much else gets off the BKB just going for the TP it seems
That's what we're all saying now, there's two supports for the Sven, that's not done yet though.
They still had Coil after all of this.
See if they can turn it around. Good damage coming out from the Dark Will,
but the focus fire comes out from Tomato in the meantime.
Saber like getting pressured by Fade and RC White who's come back after being on the cliff.
Tornado clips Moby the last moment, a Sun Strike not quite enough because of the Fade shift.
Gets into the tree line as Fade is working on a different hero in the form of the Dark Will.
Well, that's a full team wipe as they do find Puck in the end triple kill for the win-runner
Game or Legion extending their lead. Yeah, that look promising for a bit for Nemesis, but running out of damage
Sven dying that early
They've got tons of control, but it's Sven isn't there to pack the punch. You're not taking anyone down
Look at those pitiful numbers
Comparable or compared rather to gamer Legion top damage 2.2k from Puck gamer Legion three heroes with about 3k each
I'm not really a fair fight and Alice in Spide of Fame dying as the first hero.
There's barely got anything off, didn't matter.
If you win those fights, what don't you win as game religion?
We'll see the replay here, so obviously Lion, excuse me, died first.
Lion already dead here.
We'll see why he gets to just run down the Sven together with Brewmaster.
needs to get a BKB on the Sven. Invoker is a nightmare matchup when you don't have that
item. Just get kited by everything. Tornado, cold snap, ice wall.
I'm not sure I can get back alive and that's another combo onto Mobe. That is death number
four for the puck. Not what you want to see if you're Nemesis fan.
Not to read too much into body language, but I think he was frustrated.
I see. I didn't see it.
His mouth was slightly diagonal and he did a head tilt.
Oh, a head tilt? That's pretty toxic, actually.
RCY, working on a Lincoln's. Agonyms is almost done for the brew.
He seems to like this build. I think he did the same thing last game, right?
BKB and Lincoln's is the first two, which is very defensive items to guarantee that he can play the fight and then make sure you get your spells up.
I think most invokers don't go both this early.
Generally you will see them focus a little bit more.
He can do whatever the hell he wants.
He's as long as he's working like this, it's obviously fine, but he's three kills away from the promised lands in the round.
A lot of the time we see Octorine, or maybe Shiva sometimes, but BKB and Lincoln's are very defensive.
The spells are good though, so as long as you get them off...
I've never noticed that Brewmaster's talent says Brewling's health.
When did that become the official lingo?
Was that not always the case?
I don't think so.
Does it say it anywhere on the old, that it's someone's Brewling's?
It does.
That's very brain damaged of you.
Thank you so much.
I don't know if it was always called that though too, maybe.
Very important, of course.
Yeah, I'm glad we're having this conversation.
It's a one-way conversation.
Okay, Saverlai's gonna try to go in.
This will be a big, final blow.
It's the fear now onto the brood.
He still has primals, but they have to blow up quickly.
And I'm just gonna save him a little bit,
cutting back down, looking for the old get-to-op.
Oh my God.
And that's how it is now.
Very harsh, brood.
And it says Aegis on Tamato.
And now they just have to run.
Fight is over.
Man, if they get away with a one-for-one here,
only losing their spin.
Given that that happened,
They probably won't dispel.
Dispels off the search.
Goodbye.
Done and dusted.
They really wanted to get that Brumaster killed, but again, did not have the damage.
Sven connects too late.
I think was that a blind Sunstrike he just hit?
It might have been.
Maybe he saw him between the towers, walking to the Wisdom.
RCY is having a performance.
Snipe.
This is what can't...
This can't happen when you're playing Sven. You can't fall this far behind and then in that moment, if Sven has a little bit more in the tank, you probably kill Broomaster and all of a sudden you fight wide open.
Worst case scenario against this hero is always to commit like four spells and a lot of time and then he gets old off because then all your damage was wasted.
It's worse than doing nothing. So the fight just became super, super easy for the gamer legion side.
Lincoln's now complete.
You were close.
They were.
The nightmare came coming out from speed certainly helped.
Yep.
But that's part of the equation.
You've got to account for it.
I know he's there.
And now Brewmaster has Orchid, Agz, and Shard at 23 minutes fade, having a much, much better
time in this game and in game number two. Then in the first one.
A little bit of group up here in the top lane, Jokka.
Oh gosh, the tornado.
can't hit every spell I guess
unless you're miracle of course
do you mean what please
do you not have
I was gonna say a childhood but that's
probably a little bit before twenty seventeen
well they
don't have some items still it's just too easy
It's just way too easy. Hex or get killed.
Actually, Prime will split for that, though.
Yeah, well, they can use it to push with.
A tiny bit at the very least.
Bunch of TP's bottom, look at our first span potentially.
He's pretty far away though. Saberlight with the horsey.
Looks like everybody will get out.
Oh, I say that. The tornado just before the Prime will split ends.
Bind saver light, beans grip on top of the BKB, so he loses the charge as well.
Ooh! And the main time's rough.
RCY solo killed the willow top.
And now Kezu, officially wrong. He's 11-0.
Yeah.
No, unfortunately not a 10-0 game for more than 10 seconds.
As he did get the Sunshade kill on the Darkseer at the bottom.
What a stomp.
Oh, yeah, just absolute stomping in this game and a game one and I mean game two also wasn't really that close
No, this entire series was pretty lopsided. It's like nobody really
Has the solution to each other making for a closer affair just
Riding the momentum from the early game in every game really
Minute on the ages no Bay very close to getting orchid it again
Another focus fire from Tomato. Only one siege creep to help out.
Yep, he also has a used focus fire.
That's just his normal attack. That's correct.
If that was focus fire, it would be the worst ulti in the game, I think.
I'm just going to lower your damage, you don't see any damage.
The arrows are so long. Geez.
And not to be mistaken for speed, which is what the ulti does.
That's indeed.
Alright, I can see why you could get it confused for reasons we have already established.
That's very brain damaged.
Sven BKB, it is time for a Hail Mary play.
This has to work or they are done.
When Dranger plus Brewmaster can make quick work of the base, they're going to try for
a full loop around here.
And this is going to become increasingly obvious to Gamer Legion while they're hitting the
front of the base and nobody's here. So you can already see RCY and the Ghost Walk trying to
break them out here and this is just not happening.
They do it, tornado, flips one. RCY doesn't use the B2B, Narnan's already dead. Okay,
Mayan and the puck and the Altsman get the heck. Spam isn't a lot of trouble as well. That is actually
focused fire from Tamato. Going for the power shot. So far only one dead. Skig will follow
To the grave though, still just supports though at this moment.
They save or lie able to surge away.
That was the one play they had though. They used everything.
So...
They saved my life through some of your face.
Ruse still has split.
Yep.
They did not use everything they have.
That's a Lackretty by the way, Sunstein. Not Focus Fire.
In case you were confused why he was attacking so fast.
it'll be a lane likely I was gonna say likely more but maybe they don't stick
around they don't have a wave so okay
we won't know for two minutes oh there's an amp damage bottom as well
Sunstrike.
Ooh, close call!
Trying to ghost walk damage him so he can't...
Oh, bang.
...do this, but he doesn't have the shard.
RCY, does he see?
Uh, he's about to.
Another orb, though.
Oh, he's on his tail.
Is he as...
Lion. Ooh, not quite in range.
Tornado!
Ooh, face shift just in time.
Biggest in the area.
Sunstrike, not gonna hit.
RCY wants his 13th kill of the game. This is a long ass chase and Moby's back to full HP.
Oh like fuck it, let's go base. We have a brewmaster already working on the second lane of
Erics. Let's connect with the team. Yeah, mine as well. So working on the one of the three
elemental starland is just being super annoying. They do no damage to kill this thing. Alright,
That's the lane of Erics.
Yes, two lanes now for Gamer Legion, and they are looking very, very good to move on here at PGL Valachia.
Which is not something we've been able to say in a long time, if ever.
I'm trying to remember the last one.
Yeah, me too. I feel like they did make maybe one top eight, but they've mostly just been the gatekeepers in the negative sense, I guess.
They let everybody through the gate, but they were there.
So, Hodor minus one.
They've been the butlers welcoming the playoff teams to the rest of the world.
Well, no doubt, yes.
What do you like to get into Tame?
Game or Legion?
Would you like to stop her with that?
Oh, well, on to two.
Meteor's coming over to the left.
Jack Woods follow.
Maybe he's being driven, dead inside of his BKB.
They're going to get the puck as well.
That'll do it, surely.
GG is called and Game or Legion,
they will move on with a 3-1 score.
Nemesis is still alive though. They go down to 2-1-2, they'll have another shot.
I feel like this was an interesting series in the sense that both teams looked really good in individual games,
but it's about getting that consistency. Game Religion just flat out better in two of the three,
but Nemesis is not a team you should expect to just roll over in their final series tomorrow.
North America is alive, Richard.
of course you're here doing it for everybody but no this is a bit of a
change from the usual at Valahia you know we've talked about it a lot this
morning you go into a Valahia you see game you're leaching you go how are they
gonna crash out before playoffs and this time that isn't the case and I've got to
say after the first game they course corrected really solid drafting great
synergy's great execution. Yeah, maybe that's the more exciting thing about
seeing them go through here is that they have had some rough games and it wasn't
something where like you know oh they just they can't do it you know they're
just a lesser skilled team they they just made some mistakes like any team
will sometimes do and then they corrected and they corrected so damn
hard this this is not even close dude it literally it looked like rcy was
smurfing in this game yeah now they did really good and I think also like at
some point when you keep going to these tournaments and you go out in the same
spot like you get in your own head you're like oh not this tournament again
like it's gonna happen again you go two in three so obviously it feels good to
go through but also to like just get this out of your mind and like your
subconscious where like you feel bad about it because like we're saying they
played incredibly well I like it after like how they played early on speed had
great movement on his bane, what they were doing, yeah it's just very nice and you know all the
Sunstrike kills and even like the blind Sunstrike kills with the scan just I think overall just
very good performance and like Jenkins said too it is good that they're able to turn around series
you know they're not just going in and two owing you know sometimes that happens but they have to
make changes to adapt and they're they're showing it. Yeah I mean they want they want to win right
and every player wants to win.
Actually, to be fair.
Increase in events.
Yeah, well, yeah, that.
But also, some teams are OK with, like, OK,
we just want to make top eight.
We're a new team or whatever.
But I feel like Gamer Legion has been so close to top eight
so many times that they are at the point
where they're not going to be happy unless they're
like top four or performing well or winning.
Because sometimes you can get top four
and you just weren't the better team that day,
You still feel like you're a really good team.
And to do that, it requires you to be resilient in a series
and maybe get battered in one game
and then change the draft,
change the way that you're playing, adapt a few things
and then come back and win game two and game three.
And that's exactly what they did.
And good Lord, this guy.
Yeah, we can have him.
Is this time though?
He can stay this time.
Yeah, he's earned it.
He's earned it.
Made him tomorrow again or anything like that.
Tomorrow played really well too, actually.
Honestly, everybody on game religion in that game
played super well.
Yeah, but this Invoker was one of the more nasty ones.
You know, usually it's like sometimes you talk about all the BGM Invoker and who you have, but RCI pretty much a flawless game, I think, I would say from him.
No devs, everything is perfect, good itemization, did well on his lane, and yeah, it goes to a question, maybe a little bit what Nemesis were doing overall if the Pog Pig was correct because we were talking about it too.
Like, Gameration just had very nice setup, so, again, kudos to them. Just good gameplay.
What a team player to not a single time that he used the Sun strike to steal a kill
He was always using it to just set up the sidelines
Which I feel like is the more zoomer way to play invoker anyway
Where you understand that you're gonna get this like AFK guy mid. Oh, that's one
Yeah, this justifies every invoker pick from now on anytime R. C. Y. Ask for invoker
He's gonna get it from his from his team for that Sun strike alone
Then he starts stealing kills. Once his team is like happy with him.
Like now it's clean, I can steal.
These are kill security.
He reminds me a little bit of like when Abbot broke into the scene.
You know he's like the young guy staying on a team, super high skill.
And I think he's like one of the shining stars.
Playing the cool heroes too. He's not out here playing like the boring Vipers and stuff every game.
He's like playing the stylish ones. Yeah, we love those.
I'm just waiting we might be getting a visit from somebody. Oh, it'd be kind of nice. I'm like I'm hyped for this actually
I'm really hyped for this. I know is it your boy speed is he here? Is it the real speed? There he is
They've given him the mic. Oh hell. Yeah
Great to have you on the couch finally coming dude. Do jump in
For the face reveal bro, is that is that real? Wow welcome welcome to the couch
It's very much too small for three people. Yes, we're making it work. It's nice to be close to you guys. Good. Good. Well look
Congratulations on getting through to the playoffs in the light year. I know obviously you've had a lot of two threes here
I just wanted to ask if that was on your mind at all or were you just chill?
No, I'm pretty chill. I mean
To be honest at the end of the day, this is you know, not the top teams
So I actually felt more relaxed because of that which honestly probably made it easier for me
Yeah, yeah, I was like super chill. I mean at the end of game three. I'll keep it real my brain was like oh playoffs playoffs
Like nah, I'm like shut up
Wait was that some Sun strike number 10 or 11?
Strike 12. Yeah
Okay, he's 12 and oh awesome and look I've got a bit of a cheeky question if you'll indulge me as the host
I'll here we go. Let's say no. Yeah, it'll go. There we go. I'll be like one asshole
You don't have to indulge him. How dare he ask this?
We talked on day one about your tealists because again, Andrew and I I don't know about Kezu
I imagine it's true as well with fancy content. We like your theory crafting about the game
But a lot of what you conceptualize as being good hasn't necessarily made it into your drafts
And so I wanted to ask you a little bit about you know, but it has for other teams though
Yeah, I want to play. So I wanted to ask the master plan, you know, doing draft by committee voices in the room. How does it all work?
I mean, I'm not the biggest voice on the team when it comes to draft, which I'm fine with. It's mostly big num and Mongoose.
They take the lead on that and I'm okay to trust them. So yeah, my videos are kind of separate from this team.
And I mean, it's funny to think that other teams, I guess, are falling.
I don't I don't know
Yeah, the night stalker the Legion commander
Okay, I see I see
Is that a thing is like you're making the videos for mostly the pub players? Yeah
I mean I sometimes I even say like I was like oh dark seers like really good the better you get
You know you're good with Helm Dom, but like you know if you just started playing Dota
You got like a thousand games your guardian, you know just pick Legion go duel some guy
You know like you don't need to micro Helm Dom actually what was crazy?
We said this start on the broadcast when the Legion was picked here. It was the first time ever in nine seasons of a layer
It was like 952 games that never been a legion pick. So yeah, yeah for real
We looked well we looked it up and couldn't believe it
But just to talk more about you guys at game a legion
Obviously you've been plugging away for a long time now and NA is kind of faded as an eSports power
It's not just those if we're just kind of being real about it
How do you feel about kind of being like the last guy standing and that it run you and ESL
Deleting the NA qualifier. Yeah, I gotta ask about that there. Sure go for it. Yeah, I mean it was painful
I see why just showed his phone to me
What are you gonna do like are you guys gonna try it through SA or something we just played you and we lost
Blast slam nine calls, which sucks, but yeah, I don't I don't it's not like we're worse than the EU teams
We we lost the pipsqueak funny enough in the calls. Yeah, they're on pink. No, but they're good
I really respect them
Yeah, the EU calls are pretty hard. There's whatnot V pipsqueak all these teams. So we're probably gonna do that. I assume. Yeah, I
Got a question about your your process in one of your vlogs you talked about
about deleting like everything from even your phone,
except for just only doing go to related stuff.
Like you were only, you said Gmail was your most used app
on your phone.
So my question is, are you still doing that?
And what is your like current thing that you're trying
to improve as like an individual player?
Okay, so for this tournament, I was perfect until yesterday.
Well, I downloaded Teamfight Tactics.
Oh no.
I played like four games.
I'll keep it real.
I was tired as heck after yesterday's series.
But yeah, I have literally nothing on my phone.
No YouTube, no, yeah,
because YouTube is the big one for me.
I don't really watch Twitch,
so no YouTube, no Instagram, not that stuff.
So it really helps you just go to the bed,
go to bed and go to the gym.
Like if you have these apps,
you just get like the strike for an hour,
you miss that window.
So yeah, that really helps me.
It's more like auto-battlers,
that's this guy that made-
I already pitched it to him.
I already pitched her, I like the really cool stuff.
I do, Kim, but I'm obligated to do it.
I mean, there's competition.
I want to know a bit more about your team.
I think generally the role you guys have cycled through is a carry role.
Is there something that you are looking for specifically out of like,
is it more character, is it skill?
Like what has not worked with like your past carries that you're looking for
now in tomorrow?
Yeah, obviously I don't want to say anything like, you know,
too negative about our past carries.
I had a ton of good experiences with ghosts.
Jemson is my goat, you know, love that guy.
I would, yeah, it's a tough one, but I would say it's probably
Character it's a big thing. Yeah, I think especially with tomorrow. It's been really easy to work with him
He's a chill guy super chill guy really funny guy. We're like me. I don't know. He says like crazy shit
It's really chill, but then we're serious now comes to the Dota like before the before the series that he's like let's watch
Oh, it's I was like ready to just like vibe out. He's like, let's watch. Let's watch. Let's actually matter today
So yeah, just stuff like that small stuff. No, that's good. And then more about you
What do you feel like is something that you value more than other Dota players or maybe your teammates even like within the game that is
Like a concept or I would say probably the big two things for me are a hero pool consistency
I really value being like a master on three or four heroes per patch, which I think it's helped me a lot and
Just staying calm. I think like not that my team has stressors per se
But I'm pretty good at just like vibing and laughing when things go bad
I think like or people can just tell I'm not like for the most part. I'm not stressing out
And I think it helps people kind of just like lean into that. So yeah, that's that's key for me
That checks up. Yeah. Well the final question before we let you go and get some rest. You can play some tft
Look, obviously, it's a stupid generic question, but we have to do these
Obviously, you're in the playoffs now, right? Okay, so game of legion you've gone over that hump and it is the shuffle
It's a post TI event, anything's possible.
I mean, have you guys actually been talking about winning a Valiya?
Because we have crazy victors at this, like Heroic even.
Yeah, Mongoosew was the assistant coach and they won that.
Yeah, so maybe maybe we'll run it back for him.
But so yeah, they were joking about it this morning.
What did Bignum say?
I don't know.
He's always saying stuff.
Yeah, that guy said shit.
Yeah, yeah.
No, I don't know.
Kind of not crazy, I think.
But I think I think there are teams at this event that are better than us.
I think gondex is like gonna be a real challenge for everyone at this event. Um, it seems but yeah
It's you know at the end of the day a series is two three games, right? You don't know what can happen
So I think we can definitely win. All right, please pick a ledge for me at some point. So I'm do I suggested at this game
Yeah, I was just like pain pain. Yeah, I kind of cooked
It was sick
It's always a pleasure to
You know call your games and talk about your stuff and I'm real glad you threw the playoffs out of the line here
You know for all of us on the desk. We think you're a legend. We love what you contribute to the order
We think you're a great ambassador. So thanks for joining this on the sofa. You may now leave while we talk about
I'm out you can see guys speed. This is our last great and I hope you're guys. I know dude him and our CY
Keep it up. There's once he's leaving and he's coming back. He's back late. Yeah
So just my thoughts there about game religion and their performance before we got a break
Nothing other than I think just happy to see them able to make it because usually, you know, they struggle
But now I'm making it through and just letting them cook and see what they can do.
I just think, like you said, this guy is so good for the scene
and to see him succeed and make it farther and having all of that be public.
Yeah, it's just it's really good for the world.
Like anybody watching can the little world have the little world.
It's it's very it's very motivational, inspirational.
I like that. That was a good speech. Thank you. And it's true.
I wasn't done. I'm so sorry. Pokemon, Pokemon, Pokemon.
Pokemon right we're gonna go to a break when we come back now if he'll be taking on one win
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back in your every move.
things. First of all, it is one win with a stand in. And also, they've been going for
some interesting, slightly different approaches to that draft.
Yeah, and also just heroes you need to respect from them. So I'm hoping that Na'Vi going
into this game that they've done their homework, because yesterday against Yandex, they got
their asses handed to them pretty badly. So one win, they have got a couple of heroes
that you don't want to overall hand to them. I think like BZM has always been a standout
player like for this team his Invoker straight nasty also you just now watched
RCY tear through an entire game on his own might be the nastiest Invoker we've
seen with RCY so BZM better step it up yeah he can put on you know a
contestion there then Ari's Caudal insanely good 33's Largo as well and BZM I
think if he has to pull out something you know from like the TI days it's the
Earth Spirit so all of these heroes and then for Shad I've been I'm a bit on the
fence in terms of his performance but I think he's the type of carry player that
He isn't your hard hard carry. He's your skeeter. He's your matamba man
I think he takes more of the tanky role let him a place some necro some viper and let him shine through
Making space for other players on the team. Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment. I
Think so too, and how do we feel about the spectre?
It's I think it can work, but I don't want to this Midas radiance
I want to say it's not good now look they're going up against now V
I love this team. I've been saying this for a while. The youngest team here, I mean one of the youngest teams in Taiwan, if not the youngest, I think the oldest is 21, I think there's something like that.
But so much talent and we've seen them at past events. It's kind of like game alleging a little bit, you know, they've been close but no cigar, never got over the hump.
But I'll tell you what, they are playing lights out with this, here, finally looking really good and here it is.
But a lot of what they're looking good on is the ember spirit. You can see that in so many games
They rely on banning the Slark and then picking the ember at the top here
They will only they will always protect the ember or they will pick it after they see invoker for example
They don't want to get lane dominated, but then in this last series against Yandex
They pick ember in to get monkey king and got
Slaughtered in this game. So what do they do next game? They pick undying mid and losing 18 minutes
Yeah, and so I just you know, I see a team that has only one with with ember spirit pretty much
Their one strategy gets countered and they just go well
Let's ignore ember for this entire draft taking a dying bid and losing 18 minutes guys
You got to have more layers than that. You know, that's the that's the
you know, perhaps that's part of them being like young and immature and
kind of excitable coming into it where
They feel like they have to over adjust to an extreme level when in reality embers a very normal hero
Yes, it's very good right now, but I think you can replace it with a lot of other myths
I think niku can play all of the normal mids just fine and I'm not against the undying specialist picks as well
But it really felt like they thought like well, we're gonna get fucking slaughtered anyway
So let's just go on dying mid and then they got completely destroyed like they were doing crazy
TPs and showing up to things I probably shouldn't so just like relax you guys are good. You've got this
Just cook a second strategy, do that one.
I mean, I'm talking about, you know, Niko having speciality picks.
Obviously, the Keds mid is one of them.
Two of them are manned out.
I respect that I'm coming in there from one way.
Just, there's some heroes you don't really want to play against,
and like Jenkins showed,
first of all, Envers is already the best mid of the entire tournament.
It's what they win with the entire time.
And sometimes you also just see something new, right?
Like, you're like, oh, the only thing we need to, like,
mid players especially have this a lot.
Pick me this guy, all you need to do is ban one hero.
You play against a different team, they have a different answer, because they've seen you do this over and over, and then you start, you need to just recalibrate.
I think here, both teams with this opener are pretty happy. I think one win is happier than Navi are in this trade. Obviously, Darkseer is very good, but Largo is first of all a good answer to Darkseer.
You can lick off the shells, lick off the search, you're overall good, and it is one of 33's best heroes.
I realized that Navi doesn't have that many games to go off of, because it's either been Day 2-0 or they get too old.
But they are the team with the smallest hero pool, so if they can get their heroes, I think I'm happy with it, you know?
Because it is actually quite easy to ban them out right now.
PMA, for example, he's played four heroes. Darkseer is one of them.
And if you're one win, Largo's a pretty good answer to Darkseer.
So you're not too unhappy about this. Just the ability to cancel the surge is nice.
even taking a shell off of a creep is pretty nice so he can't be as you know
as annoying with that. I want to see where they like take this later on also
like if you're a Navi I know that like got the juice he's actually quite I would
say capable on both melee and range course sometimes you have carries who
like you know they're much better on one as opposed to the other but when you do
play against Largo you're looking for heroes that have a lot of damage like
That can be pumped out later. You don't want this guy to like stay alive
He goes out five things that everyone's full HP. I think a hero like Sven has not looked as good in the series
We just watched but that is always a hero that when you have darks here and you need a lot of damage
He should come really good. Yeah, I mean even for one win like it is a good response to darks here
But we'll have to see in the second phase. Maybe also the bands will tell us a bit more here from one win
Daya team pick.
Daze has not been playing any melee heroes,
and I have really enjoyed seeing Bounty Hunter
or Spearbreaker with the Darkseer.
This is a great pick.
We talked about it in the previous series.
People are using Techies as a Darkseer counter
because the Taser is an AoE Dispel.
So you can take off multiple shells in the laning phase.
And a lot of the time,
Techies is being played as a five for one win. I think it's white white. Yeah, white months been playing it
So it's exclusively a five for them right now. It's the
Yep, it is yeah, Marana's in the pool something Navi does play quite frequently
Hood wing also, I would say something both teams kind of should be looking at I feel like the hoodwink because it's
Probably the best range here or currently with darks here. I mean, I get maybe willow, but you don't really want to play willow and to
I mean, I personally liked this better. It's just you've been talking about this, like dichotomy of the range support players playing the melee supports and kind of bounty hunter. You really have to be a melee specialist to make it super annoying right now.
Well, we saw an absolute disaster on LGD where it was picked back to back and lost both times days. Days was on OG, right? Yeah. So can you tell me, does that make sense?
Can you tell me, is he a good BH player? Does he play the Melee Force?
I don't think we played much Bounty back then, but he's a very capable player overall.
So like him, I would trust that he can do it.
He is vocal in games where I think he has the option to be vocal.
Like when you're playing Bounty with Darkseer, lanes are pushed, you can go around,
but I would say he does prefer the Rangers, the Rangers heroes overall.
Damn, these guys are cooking this draft.
It's it's an interesting pick into Largo because you're you're never gonna
Be able to cue anybody in the lany phase, right? You're gonna give Largo a free lick. He's gonna get that regen
Take it off as well. I mean
Yeah, you're not gonna dominate your lane very much and I think that also Ari has a
Couple of good fours here. I think all all his best fours are available willow
Then also the hoodwing we talked about there's also a world where you can go Kato
But then I think it can make your draft a little more awkward in the terms of that
You're gonna play like some double heel and you rely more on
Balling up buffing up one guy. Yeah, cuz but you could really you could turn one material into like a monster
If you play Largo Caudal with like a combo whether it's the only problem is you know embers out storm hasn't won a single game
So it depends a bit on what combo they do want to play because then I wouldn't mind if they do that
And then later you just last pick these games hero
get themselves a pretty chill life it's a pretty good life stealer game nothing can nothing can
really contest him at all out of these heroes right now tv was also banned early which would
have been one of the nicer answers into the life stealer so it's kind of a like a nicer
first phase heads up ban just opening up for you know your second phase bands where they did only
have one is the dazzle like a setup for some niku huskar or something like that i'm just wondering
why would you pick Dazzle into Largo unless it's because you want to 18 pick something that's
combing with it like Dazzle TB Dazzle Troll Dazzle Huskar that's that's really all I can see Troll
would be super based yeah I'm honestly not seeing that much of it maybe it's like this idea what they
said or rather when you play Largo it's long fights maybe they want to like kind of give themselves
the options to like play long fight with Dazzle other than that I mean we'll just have to
wait and see if they can come up with a cool pick here on 18.
I recall got the juice flying Troll right?
He's definitely a Troll player.
I've seen got the juice flying.
Yes he's a Troll player.
Praise Mr. Fly.
It would just be so...
Must start a Wraith King I think like if you've ever used it.
Yeah Navi is one of the teams that will pick these like really weird heroes.
I mean, I respect it.
Okay, they go for the lane.
Just an MP?
Well, they're just learning from yesterday.
Yesterday they played against Yandex and they got Dazzle, Nature's Prophet,
and they forfeited the lane.
At minute 230, Axe was in the safe lane, like ganking for his own safe lane.
So, Largo is a slow hero, which is quite nice.
Obviously, Nature's Prophet is very good at that.
Nature's Prophet can rotate around with the bounty, which is good.
The only thing is, Largo and Caudal are very good at cheating the lane.
Like they can just illuminate blinding lights, throw them, like frock storm.
Prophet Dazzle kind of want to like beat the shit out of you, but one win,
and they've played this so many times. Like 33 was like the king of,
just pushing lane, stacking some camps, now I farm the jungle.
Yeah, I mean, it's cool.
I like the idea, you know, Dazzle, heal bomb on top of the
nature's tree, and it's like, it's really hard to theorycraft something that lanes against it.
So you would have to theorycraft things that just don't lane, and
called a Largo is probably one of the best.
Like if you give 33 an excuse to farm the back camps,
god damn it, he's gonna farm it.
Yeah, he doesn't need an excuse.
But then again, that's what's kind of cool from Navi is that
they have a BH to hunt him in the back camps.
So if they're gonna push him there,
then at least they have a hero to like annoy him
and a natress profit to TP in and help.
And if they could get like one other hero on the mid lane
that can get active and play with the BH
when he's, you know, hunting the lago in the cauldron as they're trying to play in the jungle.
This is a really cool draft from Navi. I actually like this a lot now that I'm visualizing it in my head.
You know, definitely can play like very fast in this type of game and bring tempo. And when
you play against 1-win, you know that they don't have the fastest players. Like 33 is not a player
you're going to put in this category. He wants to chill nearly always, but he's obviously very good
at damage controlling. I think he's like a little bit of like the marina of the offlane. It's very
It's very hard to stomp this guy. You really have to go multiple levels, I think, to make this happen.
At the same time, both teams need to find their mid-hero here, even though Storm hasn't won a single game.
I do think I like the ban, because here, when you're both picking the same role, you need to be aware what the day maybe wants on the response.
I think one win, I don't know if VZM's played much Sand King, but I think that's a hero that could work in this type of game.
I think area control is nice, you have a lot of stacks, you're going to be amplified with Solarbind with the croak.
So that's something that we should kind of take into consideration.
I like the Sanking Suggestion. That was like the original Largo combo when the hero came out, right?
What do we think Nico can cook with here?
He has only played Heroes of the Band or Undying Mid, and it is not a good Undying Mid game.
He's laughing, he's thinking about it.
And he has to pick Blind.
Yeah, it's tough.
like pango i mean taking up the earth shaker in the storm does that tell us anything about
which direction you might be going in not in a crazy way like it's not obvious it's just it's
just bzm mids that i mean earth shaker especially is bzm mid so i do go for the pango that's kind of
cool i mean they they needed a hero to go in with the bh and the nature's prophet when he tipis in
and they needed some stun, they needed a hero that's active, physical damage against lifestealer, always good.
You don't really care about getting disarmed by techies, it's a decent pick.
This is a solid draft.
Interesting, this was not going to be one of the, like this was not a hero that really came to mind for me.
Obviously, like Mid Tiny is good when it is going to be buffed up, which it is.
I don't know if it's the same item build you want to go for or if you like go more right-click. Do you play more?
On spells overall, I thought maybe there's like some opening for maybe even a queen of pain here
Not that you see the pango, but compared to yesterday
I think now we have made a huge improvement because they got beat so badly
I really think there was a big chance that that stays in your head, but this looks very nice
Well now we have going for themselves. I mean I like it. I like the dark sea pango combo in team fights. I think it's
It's really, really strong.
Yeah, they definitely cook with their draft.
It's, if they fall behind, it can be rough for sure.
Like BH is a hero that doesn't like to play from behind.
Nature's Prophet, a hero that doesn't like to play from behind.
Even Darkseer just kind of AFK forms and does nothing
and often, you know, has very little impact.
If you're like super far behind,
your other heroes aren't able to do anything,
especially in the early game.
But I mean the big question mark is obviously I think it was way back on day one. I think we saw shot way back way back
In the ancient times, I think we saw shards
Have a life stealer on day one. I think you've lost you had two life
Seeders I think one L one one lost and the win the win to be honest was a little rough
Like he looked he looked nervous to be playing with one win
That's that's kind of what we deduced for now
That for me is a big factor because I think the hero is good, but it's only sat on like a 30% win rate right now
now. So definitely needs to
bring us. The nerf definitely
hurt. Yeah, any change to rage
cooldown or duration always hurts
the hero big time in the in the
patches. So you have to be a
specialist, which should should
be. He is right. Like this is
one of his best heroes. It's just
I think there is a little bit of
nerves happening there. Alright
guys. That's enough yapping from
us. I get the throw over to our
commentators, but it's not
I'm going to pick it up. I'm
going to pick it up. Yeah.
Thank you very much, Richard.
Yeah, we'll see what goes down
here between these two. I mean,
not be coming into date. They
are going to have to really
pick themselves up from
yesterday's performance. Hard
to as we sort of was the end
of the day. That was it. Well,
great. There was a rough
experience for them there.
We'll see if they're able to
pick it up here today against
one double. You know, got to
say with the drafts. I kind of
like what now he's got going on.
They've got this nature's
profit dazzled duo, which we
Yeah, I think this is exactly what you want to do right look at the best team what they're playing as long as you can
Understand it and follow that type of theory
Sure copying isn't bad all the time, but you do have to understand it
But I would say that this one right it's pretty clear what it does the dazzle with the trance
Tharx here with the bounty got a pangos well to round things together for the early team fight
So it's a very strong well rounded draft all for one win
Very standard draft I would say for them the one that stands out a bit right is that tiny
But I can understand why they went for something like this right? They're looking for a pace center
They're looking for someone to play around early because Largo he's gonna farm live stealer
He's gonna find so they want somebody that's gonna be super active from the mid lane that also uses the chakra pretty efficiently and
Chinese pretty decent at it. So yeah, I guess they're the question is when you look at
Momins lineup and they're cause in particular
They're pretty beefy like they're very big survivability
When you look at navies lineup, do you see it easily finding enough damage to deal with those three kind of tanky beefy beasts?
If they get off to a good start, I think that's like what they're saying on the panel as well, too
Is if they do fall behind too hard in this game, that's where problems probably can start to rise
But I don't think they should on paper, right?
They're like a very strong at your early game. It's good tempo setting and then on top of that
They've got damage amplification in their draft, right? They've got the bounty hunter track, which gives you eight
Oh, actually 12 20 is I want to 812 16
And then you've got the minus armor that comes in from pangolin from basil
So I would say the damage starts to come in pretty quickly.
Sure, that adds up.
If they do get off to a decent start here too.
So, yeah, looking forward to see what we do get.
And if we do get anything.
I don't think we'll get anything different though.
I think this one's going to be, this game looks like it's going to be pretty standard itemization.
Because that's true, right?
Because whilst these cores are going to have a lot of HP,
they're not really the highest armor.
No.
So they're sort of physical and so they're the amplification, the armor reduction, or?
I mean, they are the highest armor, but they kind of are because tiny, right?
Grow, show you some build.
Largo when he's singing gets like plus 20, whatever it is, and most of the life suits are armless, so they will have the answers at least, but there are to be windows for sure where there's that armor-mindedness is going to come into play.
But yeah, I want to see what the museum is going to do with this Tiny, because for me the concept with it right is Him and Whitemon. The Tim and the two supports, you have damage amp with the Tiny.
Sometimes avatars, maybe not the most threatening nowadays, but you throw the techies on top, you're going to get these killed.
I'm going to say that it's not
too hard to do. It's going to
cause quite some struggles for
Navey. Look at the mid. I was
yesterday we had Niki try some
a bit different with the mid on
dying. Didn't look too hot. He's
back on the pang. God This is
something you could be very
happy to see from him, right? And
also was picked in a pretty good
spot right because you think this
was something that maybe one win
themselves. Would it like to take
You kind of denied picked it away and also perhaps denied a hero that they may be wanted.
I don't think they would have this game, but like an invoker, right?
We've seen so many times now picking the invoker into the pango, extremely dangerous.
Makes your game very hard.
Do we get a reason? What was going on here?
So they're just fixing the set problems.
Sir, it shouldn't be too long to get one of those switched in and switched out.
And I, yeah, I've been, we have to say, right?
You mentioned it in the pre-B game a little bit here was just.
I, it's, they can only level up today on Navi.
yesterday was probably one of the worst showings I think we've seen from them almost ever I want to say they got I mean the game was over like five minutes
Yeah, it was self and it was against, you know, they're the favorites here
But like you're right yandex coming in hot as the the strongest team to this tournament
But even then it's still not going to felt good. So okay, so early preparation. We're a C Navi nice and ready
You see days running across the map places the century to block the Largo camp block the 33 camp on the far right side
So really looking to shut down the Largo is what I would say and let's see where the bounty wants to start because now
We've seen a lot of teams where they're playing versus dark seer that team starts as a tri lane versus the dark sea lane
Maybe bounty's gonna just be able to do something different and punish if there is gonna be or at least track if they are gonna be
Setting up for that trial. You can give a lot of info
I mean, yeah, that's true. Are we gonna see one when put a third here up there early on?
I think so. No, they won't go for that approach. Ari could be in some trouble here
That thing's just go-
Yeah.
A bit of a setup.
I wouldn't be able to kill him, but-
They're too fast.
I thought they'd wait till he went a little further,
but I think the Shadowwalker was ending,
so he'll just keep you top.
So that does mean it's not going to be a lane
where they are pressuring
versus, you know, this tri-lane pressure
to kill the Darkseer level one,
and this is a very strong dual lane
that they do have on the side of Navi.
So does one win though, right?
The techies is probably one of the better ones,
I would say, versus Darkseer in all stages,
because you can disfowl the shells,
You just bow the surges, you have a lot of ways to play around it, so Shad's should be quite safe up here.
And when it comes to what you can do with the Nature's Prophet lane combo, are they up against heroes that could get killed off pretty early in the game?
Like, if you're looking at this lago, can 33 be susceptible to getting tripped up by some tree and micro, and some hero bombs coming in?
Yeah, definitely. I just think they'll probably do what they do, right, where they're not going to play the lane, right?
They're gonna just start manipulating it very very early, but if they do just play the lane heads up
That could be quite complicated. They'll have to help play it pretty hard in order to be with this dazzling nature's profit
Seems it really does feel like one of the strongest
One of the strongest lanes they do at least have double spam so they can't kill these trains pretty effectively
But the heal will dissuade a lot of it right now 33. He's gotten all the trains. He's at 9cs
I'm pretty happy with the first few levels there.
This is actually an insanely good start for me.
He already has boots so maybe they won't be able to punish him with them getting that
good of a start in the first two waves.
He's going to hit the level 3, fine.
And we'll see how it plays out.
As you said, we've seen other Nature Prophet.
Is it only been Yandex has been doing that or have we seen other teams going for those
two?
I haven't been able to watch every single game, honestly.
But either way, when we have seen it come out, it's done quite a lot in the laning phase.
So we'll see if we've got the juice, can get that going in favour for him.
And Reddy's here on the safe lane.
Yeah, can I just estimate how good the condo is going to be just to kill the trees?
You know, just sit in the side, blast them, they hit them once or twice with the Largo
of high base damage.
The early trees are not the tankiest.
Yeah, he's just farming it.
Look at R8.
Paul? I'll farm your Paul. Takes it all the way, is able to grab the neutral items as well, too.
Playing this bottom lane really nicely here. To be expected from these two, super comfortable,
and it's a very strong lane to just push things out so you don't get punished.
That 30's top. Don't be able to get that first blood catching out days. Not something that
you'd always expect as you hand it to a safe lane, life's delivered. Shout it.
It'll take that any day of the week. That easy first blood.
Power of the techies is why you go Taser, right? Taser plus that blast off, BZM.
Quite a bit of damage here from Niku.
Hmm, can he go for the dive? He's got a shield crush and a swashbuckle in a second, but BZM's got the bottle charge.
Bit too much HP for Niku to fancy his chances of bursting through.
Bounty bottom.
Day is turning up. We'll be that extra bit of health to make sure they can finally take 33 out of the lane.
PMA is going to be left on his own though so can probably just die up here over and over again.
And I just asked the question that does that make that move for the bounty not worth then?
If you're losing your own offlaner to go and get the enemy?
It is worth it. You have to tell him right? It's the dark.
You can't take the blame as the bounty for that always every time.
You have to just accept the fact you have to play a little more defensive.
Daze at this point is just saying I'm moving around.
He's going to set up for the rune as well.
Oh, he did not Shadowwalk stun him.
He didn't get the hit.
He actually let the Shadowwalk fade.
Easy, I can just stun him, grab the rune.
I can get the refuel.
Alright, Niku doesn't get a refuel either because it's actually the techies who makes
the move over on Whitemon.
And now Whitemon, what do you want to do?
Your lane is completely open, you're not laning, Darkseer's probably just going to
jungle, so techies is going to have freedom to move around and match some of these movements
as well.
I think I say to you all the time, I love watching these techies and it is very good versus
Darkseer.
the game very hard. Any of these abilities you can dispel, there's actually a couple
of them this game, right? The eye on the surge and then even the pango shield, you can see
that come into play. Super annoying to play against. And white mon, so with this time,
he's like, all right, what's the best use of my time? I'm buying sentries and I'm blocking
all the camps. So he's going to really shut down this dark sphere with these moves. Yeah,
that's pretty spooky. I mean, I'm not, what's sort of their best opening sale again? The
The farm so far is good, you know, on all three lanes.
We're seeing a PMH show he did die up top,
but he's still getting the CS perfectly fine.
It's just dark, see?
We're going to try and make the move onto him again.
Whitemon coming in from the side.
He's going to go with the blast off,
but he won't have enough to take him out under the tower.
Daze returns to the top lane to help out.
Daze has to find some way to connect with his movements,
though.
It's not, I guess it's not easy in this top lane
to utilize the ion shell at all. He's just gonna get dispelled very quickly. White mines not just, yeah, White mines just has it up, so.
Maybe I'd like to just see him sit mid-bottom a bit more here, and just accept the fact that PMA is just fully sacrificed.
That's fair. I mean, we just see when he made the play down bottom right, it looked pretty easy for the three of them to kill 33.
But maybe that's just that, he's just like, I don't want to go to that lane because we have nature's profit that can TP to these other ones, so he wants to apply pressure elsewhere, so.
Now around 6 minutes for sure around the power rune.
Try to get the fill up here for Niku, he'll pop the glyph.
There you see him though.
Those are gonna be the two to watch on the side of one win to get those kills.
Big burst damage coming in.
BGM has the Solary finished up so we'll have mana to be able to continue sticking around the area.
Has Chakra also.
And yeah, it's gonna be a much slower start for PMA, but sometimes it does happen on these Dark Seers.
Chat truly set up for success in this game. Complete free farm and two kills.
Already sitting at, what, 80 bonus HP because of those two kills as well too, so that's gonna be a nice little start from 33.
So if they can run him down here, we've ready and got the juice.
Sprouts back up.
How close is...
You'll be okay, everybody, ready to help out.
He gets the lake off, gets rid of the poison, but here comes Niku.
Oh, Dace. And Dace has got the wrap.
If he sees 33, he could try something. 33's going to start healing a bit.
Niku also here, so with that extra firepower at the pango, they'll get the kill,
and we'll be able to take the Shrine of Wisdom. They'll lose their own,
so we'll just be the trade on the seven minutes.
And look at Whitemon, he's checking the area. He's like, where's the darks here?
I know I blocked all these other camps. I'm gonna block this one as Whitemon.
This is annoying from Whitemon, this game.
He's truly gonna get into PMA's head once he goes back and checks that all these camps don't respawn.
Good pressure on the bottom side though. Niku with the rotation still has Roll and Thunder.
He's actually taking away some of the stacks.
Killing off a triple stack that was here made by the Coddle.
Level 5 still on top of the juice, not quite the level 6 yet as you said Largo is 6 at
the moment.
And Daze.
He's going to be careful himself again.
There's three ready to turn onto him, they're going to drop the blood grenade, BZM's coming
in as well with the rotation, Daze, he'll pay for this.
Super dead.
Three of the deaths.
He's going to be a very poor bounty hunter this game.
I feel like we have had a few bounces that do have these sort of tough starts sometimes.
Yeah.
I'm sure some of these teams are just getting better and better at dealing with the bounty hunters early kind of movements that they look to go for.
And just having the sentries pretty much ready every single time as you've seen there even dusts.
Got the juice. Six is hit. They've got the wrath of nature.
Let's see if they want to apply pressure on this bottom side with it.
They want this tower. So overall, right for Navi, they definitely want to be setting tempo in this game, as we tend to say for the Nature's Prophet.
You don't want to sit back passively farmed. You want to take these early towers.
Especially if you're playing versus something like this Lifestealer, who as you said, Shad is going to have one of the faster Radiance timings that you do see in this tournament.
Untouched.
Niko?
You can find the setup of the invasor and get the rolling thunder going.
It's a 33.
Should have a good angle here to keep him locked down.
He's relatively speedy, but Niko wants to try and dive.
She feels like they don't have any further burst after that extra connection from the
rolling thunder to keep diving, so the 33 will survive.
The armor perspective does add up.
like 18 armor under the tier 2 there, very difficult for them to dive.
Survive again.
At 33 being sacrificed quite a bit, but he's getting a lot.
He's still doing fine, right? 0-2, but he's ahead of the Darkseer,
who has been more sacrificed than only has the one death.
And he's keeping his tower alive, which is really important.
It's almost 10 minutes in, they haven't been able to climb that tier 1 yet, but on the bottom side.
Okay, mate.
It does have the Dominator finished up, so we'll start to increase that farm.
But yeah, Shads of Foul tapped that Relic done it.
And Daze is dead again. They continue to find Daze every single time that he tries to get onto their side of the map.
So they're completely prepared for these bounty movements.
It's gonna be such a slow level six for that track for extra gold for the extra damage amp that they want.
Rune, they will get Fortuno's spawn bottom, but Ari's there. He'll get the kill on it.
One win, one step ahead it feels like in this early game.
And really addressing the bounty, addressing the darks here.
Although the Nature's Prophet is having a good time, they are splitting a lot of experience, so that MP level 7, the core is on the side of 1 win, a bit ahead of left front 2.
That's there, the relic timing pretty much done in for Shad.
He's big.
PMA's got plays with him.
Not an easy kill to execute by any means.
Nah, these two don't really do too much to stop a life stealer.
They're overall the whole draft right that's it is a pretty solid pick when you look at it on paper not really degrees things to lock him down
Just limited stunts. It's gonna have to come through the pangol rolls and a chain stun from the shadow walk
Yeah, highly likely he gets a rage or an inverse stuff every single time that they look to make plays into him
How's BGM's timing looking to pretty good phase plus soul ring going the farming build and then go back for the blink
Shad will get a Dominator handed to him as well time for the smoke play
EZM and Ari looks like they want to make a move down towards got the juice if they can catch the nature's profit
I'm really worried forgot the juice in this game. I'm starting to feel it right
It's a nature's profit at Dazzle, but they haven't completely stumped in the early
They did and this is a tiny in the game with a it's a 1000 HP hero
The tiny is gonna one shot him very much so in this game
Good read from God the juicer does get back away from the tier one sensing that some sort of plays coming in
So won't be caught out by this attempt. Okay, good that he dodges it. He needs some time
See, it's gonna be very vulnerable for quite a bit of this game
Quite a bit of this early game in particular
33 just the separation now between him and the dark seer 1100. He's the same as the mid
Someone mid again. I'm positioning for the 12 minute power route.
Middles ball on top. 1W is checking both sides every single time, but it is spawning on opposite
side a few times here now for BZM. The futile is finished for Niku. This is a very good timing
for him. But again, it's just difficult for them to just go to a lane and be like, we're
going to push you out, right? Push the lifestealer out. Maybe it's going to be around the mid
Okay, now Whitemon's already there, prepared for the fight.
They have to bypass and kill him if they want to go for this push.
Try for Whitemon.
Dangerous.
Especially when BZM is back by his side.
Navi not quite able to even get the techies killed there. It's too tricky to tackle.
Because in this one, they know they can't just straight up push.
If they just go for a straight push, it's just going to get stopped.
starts they have to go to the bottom it's going to put the gap on a got the
juice TP's coming in a half on the juice out look that's the illuminate
shots also turns up in that's the radius delivered so here's that radiance
time it's not where he's ready to use it straight away here getting in on top of
got the juice well back off though with the fact that the dazzles there were
potential save so what the other fully commit to take that kill he's got the
Cree.
Get the pull back on Neku.
Thunder's at the ready, but he's gonna have to use this very lightly just to get out.
Oh, this is awkward from Navi.
Shad indeed is still pushing on forward.
Doesn't want to push on too much, though. They'll let Navi step back.
Alright, they'll take their losses, but at the same time, instant TP, BGM's already top.
Nice, can you get the toss back onto Got the Juice? He's caught underneath the tower.
33's in with the follow-up. Got the Juice.
Tried to make a play elsewhere, but...
Uh-oh.
Bonwin still had the tools to get up.
And react to the fact that he was trying to do something to the tower on the top lane.
They have not gotten ahead enough, and they have not gotten ahead at all actually in this early game.
It's all on W.
6-2, 2K lead, ECM perhaps finding another one too.
I'll drop the ball, PMA.
I will manage to get away with the rest of the surge.
So, Daze.
Not so lucky.
They're gonna catch him at the stun.
Sentry down here, sentry's just everywhere.
So, Daze cannot hide from Mom when this game whatsoever.
I know, smashing this early game in terms of rotation movements,
Like you said the word placement look at the word coverage. It's Ward's entries everywhere
So they're seeing these movements. They're reading everything great responses. And this is all pre blink dagger. He's him has it now
I'm really worried forgot the juice got some concerns for Navi in these upcoming moments
Things just not coming together for them in this life stealer now at this point
astronomical farm
I mean
When you sort of play something like a bounty against a team that's prepared this well and that's just centuries everywhere
Surely this is gonna make you feel like, my goodness, I never want to play bouncy against 1W again, you know what I mean?
When they set up the map, this is good. How do you deal with that?
Niku? We'll be able to find Whitemon, Shad.
I don't think they're dealing with Shad.
Inverse the world.
Yeah, but he can just turn, start killing them off, jump forward, Amalantra, BZM sets up for the two of them to get taken out.
Niku, also in trouble, can't get the rolling thunder off.
The struggle is perhaps from yesterday, continuing a bit here for Navi.
Of early days here, but this is already very problematic.
It is.
Supports aren't getting much of anything, right?
The Bounty Hunter just cracked level 6. The Dazzle went for Arcane Boots.
So I actually was going to point this out too. I've only seen them really just rush the Holy Locket that we've seen from Malady,
but he also just stomped the game so hard in the other one.
Difficult early game. It's hard for them to make moves now at this point.
So as we were saying, they're heroes that they make move around. It's the Pango, and there's a lot of control for him now at this point.
It gets caught in one stun, there won't be a follow-up.
And they really will struggle to just find the damage to kill one win's cause now.
Yeah, especially now that the Coddles had such a good game too, right?
He's gonna have Holy Locket, the Heels with the tanky cores.
Concerned that we did have, if they didn't get off to a good start, it's really starting to look pretty clear.
End of the mid. Easy catch.
the tiny looking fantastic from him this game 504 top you may be careful so many
different dispels first him the lake the taser
and again now 33 Kaiassan just finished he's just running at them he knows that
they do not have the damage to deal with him by any means now at this point
to be able to get away from this.
Search again in a second.
It's nice to be fine this time.
Mitho, Niku.
BZM's on him.
He's going to get the toss back.
Niku, we'll manage to get the rolling thunder off.
Does have the roll up.
He did just by the shard.
So I think that caught them off guard there.
A little bit of miss energy there from White Mud and BZM.
BZM, I think White Mud was prepping the blast off,
where he was initially going to toss him.
And then he tossed him back so he had to cancel the animation.
Allows Niku to get the roll up.
But it does mean it's a defensive rolling thunder.
So they can't make an aggressive move themselves
to deal with this pressure.
And it's adding up so fast, Owen.
Nature's profit, this lineup just doesn't really
like to play from behind.
No, they just weren't able to get enough out
of that safe lane duo, not in the same sort of fashion
that we've seen other Nature's profit,
dazzle lane combos get away with.
Yeah, and the bounty over all right days.
It's been a tough game for us, as I say.
This has got to be one of those things
you're looking at this and you're going like, wow, okay, one win. If you want to try and play bouncy
against them, I don't know what you do, because they are completely prepared. Every move, every
time he tried to step onto their half of the map, it was almost as if one man just knew exactly what
kind of route that the bounty would take to get onto their side of the map. They just always had
centuries down for him. And then it's just the triple tanky course. So at this point, now his
damage is going to be lackluster. And now when the group up comes out, bounty hunter is has always
been traditionally just a bad hero when you're playing against a group up lineup. And that's
That's how they're going to play now at this point.
I mean, the most explosive combo they have is the vacuum into the rolling thunder, but
that just...
It's very overwhelming.
It's not really going to cut it.
No.
Super underwhelming now at this point.
So days, maybe you can slap some couriers, get some gold back for your team, because
fighting is not an option.
FBZF.
I'm on 33.
Call PNA.
And perhaps we're going to see like a lot of this, I don't know, I think this technique
is just, honestly, I feel like it's one of the hardest counters to darksear the game.
If you're doing a double melee lane and you're trying to play with a double, double Ion shot, it just gets dispelled.
End of minute, BZM.
He's there getting set up on a Niku, Niku will be able to roll up, he's gonna go for the TP, there's Toss back up though.
Riddies is gone, Niku.
He'll have a shield crash up in a second.
Shakrat, Matoss is there. Another kill for BZM. Absolutely styling on them now.
They had a rough day yesterday, Navi, and they've come into this day, and it's not looking much better, Fog. This has got to be painful.
Yeah, BGM. Truly owning. Honestly, all three lanes just own. They outplayed them pretty hard in all three of the lanes here, so we can see.
Even though Yandex, we saw them doing this Nature Prophet Dazzling, every time they did this lane, I think one of them was also versus Alargo. They completely destroyed it.
kills multiple kills perhaps some of this
coddle factor though too right the
illuminates to be able to deal with the
tree and solve that pressure 33 very
deep forward that's gone by his side
they can't punish this they might be
able to get a ring much easier to kill
out the two of them so they'll get
something can they get 33 that BGM's on
his way over a Navi note they know that
they cannot continue to play around with
the log up. That tells the tale if he's walking past your tier two pretty much at
this point and he can walk out unscathed like that. That barely takes any damage
whatsoever. Yeah. He's a pretty much full HP. Honestly I think Ari could have just
played even further away. It would have been fine. I don't think they could have
actually gotten this kill on the log up. He is way too strong at this point. He's
going to just go the agonim is built to this game which you do see some players
stray away from sometimes without this game when he's this far. Niko. He's got the
Roll up
Decide days of PMA to look at 33, but that's pretty much what they can do. They can just look at him
BZM's gonna go back in they don't do any damage to him and if the BZM is gonna get the toss back on Riddies
Tiny techies a
Traditional historic combo looking as good as ever. Yeah one that moments very good at BZM one of the top tinnies and white mom one of the top
techies
Really enjoying watching the two of them here seeing the early shard picked up from BZM
Seen him do this multiple times from the tiny when he plays it
He's getting close to having a BKB already at this point too and the lack of BKB piercing disables is pretty apparent on the side of Navi
Things have accelerated quickly, but we are at this point right 15th to 4 this life stealer now also has armlet getting close to S&Y
Super tanky. Oh, that was a big snipe. Does find the courier which was with the gem
So, Daze does find probably the most valuable thing that they could have done yet again.
Okay, that might be able to start cleaning up the map a little bit and providing more of a chance to sneak around.
Yeah, at least to allow his team to just farm and hit the creeps, but I don't think this is changing the state of the game of when are we going to fight.
That's going to be my biggest question. I have no idea when they're going to be able to fight with how big these heroes are.
Yeah, it's got to be the BKB timing on Got the Juice, but...
Even then, he might be able to TP in and live a little longer, but killing the heroes so hard when you're behind it
with the lineup now if he's running
Yeah, 2,000 HP 2700 HP life stealer with
22 armor 26 armor tiny 16 armor 2,200 HP Largo
2,500 when he's singing he's sitting also like 20 something armor and when you look at Navi's draft
It's actually almost all physical damage
So on top of
They're gonna have all this extra armor the tracks low level bounties of low damage here a dazzle is a low damage hero
Well, definitely fights are going to be very hard.
Well, Narvi, they are smoked up.
Maybe seeing if anyone from Womyn does step out alone.
Womyn, they're going to head into the pit.
And Narvi, do they want to try and make an effort around this?
I think if you just give this up quickly.
But what are you going to do?
Like, you have to do something.
At least try for a steal
If you just freely give up this rush I feel like it's kind of
Just giving the whole game to you guys
I mean it's gonna be up to whether or not Niku can find the perfect time to get the rolling thunder and the blink off into the pit
Problem is it's no BKB niche is pro. I think you just go for the steal. Just go for some tippy YOLO play
They are backing up and resetting though 1W is expecting some type of move here
And yeah, maybe it's just too hard.
Feels really grim.
They're probably just too scared, and I don't blame them.
They will lose the fight miserably if they even attempt for it.
It has to be just for a steal.
33 knows got the juicers over it.
Oh no.
and he cannot get out of this
So we've got the juice, it's been caught
Top lane, and Mike can't shoot even more
Pimay, okay they're gonna go for the kill on Arry
They will get him, won't be getting anything else though
BZM is pretty untouchable, Niko's probably just got to roll away from this one
He's gonna fight them, he's gonna go for more, he's got to link up
If you can get the jump on them, we'll certainly go for it
There he is, toss, and then the avalanche onto the two of them
onto the two of them. Oh, he didn't BKB. That's true. He's actually taking a lot of damage.
He's having a go for the TP out. A bit of a slip up there from BZM. Feeds away quite the
death. He had BKB. I just didn't want to use it, but then it's a very awkward scenario
because then he gets his mana burned and things got real awkward. I mean, that's what happened.
Well, that happened. I'll be able to take that. BZM tripping himself up there. Truly.
That's his first death this game. We can give him one. He played pretty flawless until that
point, but yet Alan was pretty brilliant.
Truly did it by himself there
It would have been really nice if got the juice was not picked off right before that
We used to be able to get some of that involvement to get to the BKB as well too because how close is he now?
He's got it done, but his damage is looking at the very lackluster now at this point. First. He's taking course and
And the heals so much sustain in this draft with these tanky cores, with the Kada, with the Largo.
Navi has to hit pretty explosively, otherwise that teamfights just, yeah, decided, because they'll just get healed with the full right afterwards.
They have to pretty much insta-kill at your own.
Their lineup isn't really about that.
No. No, they don't have that crazy insta-burst.
No.
Sometimes having the battle does allow you to have the advantage in the drawn-out team
fights with the heals and such, but as you say, it's just the back of one when they have
just as much if not more to sort of match in terms of sustainability and survivability
in these fights.
Yeah, definitely more with the Largo Cattle.
again found it. BZM nearly. He might actually get it at the Avalanche on it and we'll be
able to get the toss back over to Bwanzari. Very nice you've done that for BZM, really
pushing the limits. Last time he didn't pay off with that same dive because of how he
pushed the limits but every other time he goes through these aggressive plays they are
working out high ground time they've got the heels they've got the ages
notification comes out would be very hard to bring together a defense though
whilst they don't have the dark seer up I think they can just go two sets on I
don't know what Navi can do to stop this bush cut the waves don't let the
creeps reach it but there is already a wave coming in from the mid I don't think
they need to leave this area. Even dragging the top wave.
I'll just take the one for now.
Okay, I guess because the top lane is so far pushed, I thought they'd honestly...
I legit thought that they were just going to go straight down at the bottom.
They'll just go to the top side though and then they can look to just get the megas, right?
They can use your approach, just go for the next double sets.
Yeah, it's much safer.
Very, very true.
Just about a minute left on the Aegis, Axe now done on shot.
Crazy how farmed he is. You know, Nick's probably look at the numbers, right?
It doesn't look bad without the juice, but it's not where he wants to be as an MP.
You want to be quite a bit ahead of something like the Life Stealer.
I feel like specifically in that sort of carry-to-carry matchup,
anytime we see the Nature's Prophet carry being behind a Life Stealer, it just doesn't feel great.
You're always gonna have to struggle for the fact that this life stealer will get on top of you in the team fight and you just
At this amount of farm you just aren't gonna offer enough damage to be able to outright click the heels that he's providing yourself when he's on top
Yeah, just like the design of the two heroes right now. Just probably the top one anyone has we own their farms at a super fast pace
Yeah, he's not a head it tells him a lot of what the game state truly is 7k leads still but feels it feels bigger than a 7k leaving
It really does
We'll be able to cut the wave top again so they can't actually go for that tier 2 and now they're gonna accept it
You know what screw it now. We're just gonna go to bottom. They're being annoying not letting us go for that top tier 2
Well, they've got the BKB on the dog. See it. Yeah, can they do some sort of wombo combo vacuum rolling thunder
Got the juice teeping in getting the hits in let's see a just is getting reclaimed in three seconds
Okay, they're going to try time at shuffle keep himself covered with the rage gets dragged back by 33
They're back off lost the ages expires
Continue to play it safe.
All of Navi got brought back to the base for that too.
Now they might be able to go for that top push that again.
But every single time,
Governor Juice is shoving it out as best as he can.
Gaze has been spotted.
BZM, a free kill.
Yeah, the BZM tiny coming in pretty hot this game
as that last pick for one win.
Back to the bottom racks immediately.
He's going to try and start something.
Shut.
Easy to get off the range.
Turn straight over to what's got the juice.
He's got the juice.
We'll step back.
Shut.
Jones have over to 33.
Easy.
He's going for the combo.
He gets it.
He gets the two-man avaliage.
Joss has gearman days gone.
Did you do?
Lee Koo's going to be falling.
It is over.
Nuffie struggles continuing after yesterday's rough performances as one win or two wins.
kind of walk over them. Yeah, I know. I can't fully like say it's a draft thing, right? I guess
sure in this game, there's some things that definitely went wrong in terms of like the
bounty with the Darkseer versus the Techies and Lifesteal and all that, but this is this is just
play. Honestly, one win completely all over the place, crushing them. We saw this Dazzle Nature's
Prophet from Yandex dominate multiple different similar kind of lanes too. So yeah, Navi,
they've got a lot of things to fix though. And for one win, can just do more of this. It looked
great. Absolutely. Yeah, one win making this game one look pretty easy as they'll take game one hit
against Narvi. They certainly do and it was shared to what we talked about in the intro where it's
like the worry for Narvi what happens if you don't get the heroes in that mid lane. Turns out lose
quickly. Yeah, this was this didn't look great and I'm starting to get a little bit worried for
this team. Obviously one win played very well. I think they have great answers. I mean,
I mean, I even showed it before, I think Coddle, Largo are not heroes you should give this team lightly
and you're giving it to them in like good matchups.
And Navi, I agree with Fogged, I'm sure their draft can be better on Navi,
but I think at this point, even if they're out drafting their opponent, they won't win.
I think the gameplay is, it's not there right now, not yesterday and not today.
Yeah, I don't know what's going on with them, man, because it wasn't even close
And if he really feels like this game was not one in the game itself, it was one in game one against Yandex yesterday.
Like they got so slaughtered with their normal strategy that they're...
I don't know, they're just... they've lost the plot here, but one went on the other hand.
They also looked kind of rough on day one.
Uh, you know, they won some games here and there, but even in the games that they won, they looked a little sloppy.
In this scenario other than BZM with the one like random feed that he had
But you know BKB lack lack of BKB TP, which I will say even when they're winning tournaments sometimes he does stuff like that
So they really look informed
33 giga farmed I love what he does on Largo man. He's annoying key
Pressures by just being at whatever camp is the most annoying and farms it in front of you
And if you stand near him, he kills you for it
It's it's it's unusual to watch Largo be played this way
This is also how Saberlight plays it that I really like and you know
They obviously Nemesis has a 100% win rate with the Largo where
It's it's not you're like ganking but not really ganking because you can't you don't really have killed threat
Unless people stand around you for a very long time, but you make them do that by just going to the enemy camps and being annoying
He's I think he's the best Largo out of the players we have
I still think it's taking a while for other people to like fully calibrate on this hero
But yeah, I think wipe on on the techies
He owned quite a lot and if you look maybe he's had a great tournament as well
Yeah, I think he's like on the upwards trajectory again because he was considered like the best five like two seasons ago
And I think the last one he did trickle down a bit, but I think he's a he's making good comeback. He's back
He's back that the Marana gameplay the other day with a what a patch for him hitting the hitting the triple arrows
And like he's absolutely clutching. I think the patch
Is good for players that can clutch from support position
Yeah, you know if a support is playing tree in and every single game
It's not gonna clutch. Well, how do you clutch on tree it? You know, but something like techies something like Marana
If you can get the right
Solo kill on somebody because you have some hyper damage
support like you can actually clutch and carry the game so if you a guy that's
like white mom who's insanely high skill then you can carry games of support
no it's true like there was this matter of like you mentioned the tree and like
undying and jacquero like these are just slow blobs like a high skill player
doesn't want to play those you know you'll play those for your carry cuz
he'll win but white mom you also play it's a waste it's a waste of your white
mom to have a patch like that it's true let's take a look at how the game went
down then obviously it kind of went from bad to worse pretty early yeah so I
want to just talk about so one win did a really good job with not just their
draft like what I want to highlight here is it's just a map state when you see
nature's profit the reason why this hero was so dominant at TI and the reason why
he would be dominant in this game is because they're taking towers you're
taking the map every single tier one for one win is alive every time they made
an aggressive move one win were there they were defending it with the card or
with the techies, everyone was keeping over.
So if you're Navi, yes, you can make it easier
by maybe banning the techies, because you have a Darkseer,
maybe you don't give them the Largo-Coggle combination.
But at the same time, you have heroes
that if other teams played this draft, Jenkins,
I'm pretty sure that they would find a way
to make nice moves in the early game,
take another tower, or tempo up the game a little bit.
Because from this point onwards, this game's over.
I think so.
Because one win were the ones that were dictating
the pace of the game themselves.
Like, they were the ones that were actually making moves,
and Navi was responding to it.
A lot of it does boil down to the Bounty Hunter too.
I feel like this guy is supposed to be the one
setting up the moves, but he had a pretty rough game,
like starting from the very beginning, it was.
I was wrong.
I think his bounty is not that good after watching.
Yeah.
I thought he could, and I know he's capable,
but I think at this point, maybe two,
it's not only like the gameplay,
but also like how they feel in the game.
Cause something feels like,
this doesn't look like the Navi that we sometimes see
that are actually just owning.
It's something's just off.
Yeah, definitely a specialist hero.
Maybe you only pick it if you have a specialist player.
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I feel like teams are creative.
I don't know where these ideas are coming from,
but the game was more creative back then than it is now.
People are just better now, so bad ideas get punished.
Before, people could do really bad ideas and get away with it
because of personal skill, or...
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
People could do really bad ideas and get away with it because of personal skill or execution
or others were confused but now if your idea is just bad you just get punished really fast.
Yeah, I get it, like people are pretty creative.
Right, for a moderate of five, because I don't know really what the game was like back in
the day but I can say right now, I think it's kind of hard to say not creative because sometimes
people are creative but I think sometimes there is a lot of different things you can
do and people kind of just decide to follow whatever the best team is doing or whatever
the favorite player is doing, like they kind of just follow the trend.
It's a hard one.
Go with a 7.
And for a 9.
9.
You really dislike the deathmatch.
We could be very boring.
It just makes everyone's build the same, makes every late game feel the same.
It was pretty boring.
I cannot give you that, but I don't like that it stops refreshing other items, like that was pretty fun, like
it was pretty
And WBKB, yeah, it was boring and if you are rushing it at the time it's boring
But I feel like using refreshing different items was a pretty good display of skill like double blink or like, you know
Okay, yeah double hexes like that was pretty fun. Yes, I can agree with that
It's kind of sad that that is gone, but I guess the WBKB was
Yeah, it was, it's time to go.
He went for a full disagree.
I mean, yeah, it was very zero, so...
It was zero.
I'm going for zero.
Okay.
I mean, it's just a cope, you know.
It's like, you're losing and you feel bad, so you're like,
yeah, guys, we're learning more.
It's good to win.
It's not the end of the world to lose some scrims,
some scrims and if you win too much it can be bad if you win too many scrims
then maybe it's good to get a real t-check every once in a while. This is
why I gave it a three because I think sometimes you win too much people get
complacent they don't watch the replays back they think oh it's so good don't
need to keep working that much you need to lose sometimes to keep you in your
place and keep watching the games and keep learning. But generally speaking
it's like a goal like it's better to win and just be confident believing in yourself.
Yeah.
Go with the...
Four.
Same level.
Yeah, obviously we had some breaks and they're also in your patch and we have a stand-in.
We only had like two days of practice with.
So, I wouldn't say we are extremely prepared, but we all end the doorbreak in an appropriate
time to get some pubs in and prepare for this tournament, so we are taking it seriously.
Someone in the middle, I guess.
I agree to these things and also we've got the same, the team is completely the same
other than the stand-in, so we've still got the same kind of system and understanding
of each other and the tournament can kind of continue from the previous year, whereas
other teams will have to kind of start from scratch.
So this gives us some level of preparation.
I don't know, I don't feel like I would survive until the end.
Maybe I'll do okay, but until the end, I don't know.
I mean, I guess you need a balance of fitness and intelligence.
I feel like I've got some balance and not everyone on the team has such a balance.
Sounds good.
So I think there's a decent chance. Maybe me or Moon. I feel like us two have the best chance.
Moon?
Yeah.
Why not?
The Moon would sell us out immediately.
Why would he not have a good chance?
What?
He'd have a good chance, I think, compared to the others.
Like, pure maybe, but he's not here.
Doesn't count.
Yeah, great, Hunter.
They're good to get inside the minds of the one-win players.
I'm just more confused about these now.
After the last one, me too.
Let's not break it down. Let's just move on.
Yeah, so
This is probably the time if you know, baby, you're gonna want to bust out something a little bit of a curveball a little bit different in the
Draft because what we've seen so far just hasn't been working for them like a undying mid perhaps that is good
Not that but but along those lines. I just not the zombie mid but along those lines
I believe that there are play issues going on and
and this is where CY needs to come in
and do some pretty hefty coaching
because I don't even know if a curve ball
will help things if they play like they did
in the previous game.
Maybe the curve ball is just something
to totally change the meta and play more like a pub
and give them the confidence back
because it seems to me like they're lacking the confidence.
So it's like a psychological curve ball.
I could see that.
I mean, we're gonna see the respect bands again
for Niku, coming out as the Kaz, is probably going to be an Ember.
I don't think one win will let the Ember through.
Yeah, you don't give away first pick, Ember even, to this team.
But I would agree that it's more like on the mental side, I think, of a reset.
I think that's what this team needs more. I also need to highlight that obviously the players are, they're the youngest by far.
They have the youngest player and they have the youngest overall average age.
It's a little more difficult at that point to maybe let loose of some bad emotions or tunnel visioning on specific things that
Happen to your hero or that happened to you in the game
So absolutely this is where see why has to step in and and try to help them out
But sometimes people are in a really bad state like mental state where it's hard to
Like kind of get them out and sometimes you just need to hope that the draft makes it easy enough for you to play or that people
Play well enough and then it comes together and
And honestly, sometimes that's all you can do.
Yeah, I think what they need to do here is you just pick something, you know,
puppy, where you can play to your strengths.
Comfortable. Yeah.
Yeah. People just try and catch one win off guard because, you know, look,
if they do lose this series and they go into that last day,
we've seen Na'Vi go out two, three of the last year a few times now.
And this is a really good lineup.
It's got some real talent on that roster.
It just seems to be there's always like some hurdle. They don't quite clear
Yeah, it's true and I mean one went through you know, they looked a little bit shaky at least towards the sort of the
Dormant, but this is a vulnerable one when you know, they're without you know, they've got shadows to stand they rated themselves four out of 10
For preparedness. Yes, and this is a team that literally said they don't like to lose scrims ever. Yeah, so they obviously prepare
Yeah, I could see them like Na'Vi potentially run back a Darkseer, at least you know, then
Largo of course you can ban any time against 1-win just because 33 is so good on it but
you do have added value if that's what you want to open up with. And something else that Na'Vi
should also take into consideration is that 1-win did this in the previous game where they ban
TB in the first phase which makes it a lot easier to like pick your Sven's Vipers in the second phase
or also the life-sealer which they did do.
Yeah, that's a cool first phase ban against Na'Vi too, because I feel like that's got the juices best hero.
Yeah, for sure.
Maybe TA, but that's not really a hero on the current patch.
That's not a first pick I've seen in a while. Obviously, Lina is very good. It is played a lot from the mid-roll usually.
Of course, it can be flexed.
I was going to say we haven't seen a lot of it this time. You can see the numbers there on your screen and
Hasn't been the tear away. It might have been you know prior to this moment
And generally what you want against us heroes like blink stunts gap closers are some of the best things you can get
DK of course is already banned, which is nice
But later throughout the game spectre centaur. I think life stealer also with any type of vehicles cool
There's some mids that are cute. I think like a sniper can outrange Lina
But there's only a few sniper players out there like some Lornoff and Maureen's
Yeah, tiny is good too. Very good. And we we have seen a surprising amount of tiny mid in this tournament
But they don't need to figure that out just yet
There's some overpowered heroes that are left in the pool that they can take they take the darks here
I also like as well based on what we've seen the bounty hunter has been ignored again
So it's there which feels like a bait and the earth spirit as well
But the earth spirit is a surprising one because I actually think that's really good against Lena
It is
Not sure you get your ass kicked in the lane
But that happens to any hero against Lena mid, but it is your tanky you can roll in
So I want to see if one win go for the techies ban or if they feel like okay
I can deal with this
But I write a ban out a specific carry that I want to play with like leader may generally needs to be played
with melee carries that go in and stun if you're going to play this composition.
So then the two heroes that come to mind are Tiny and Sven, but then the thing is
you can't really ban both anyway. Yeah, and both are good against Darks.
Yeah, and like so banning one kind of like has mitigating profit in a way, so you
might as well just say go to Techies. Or they could ban the one that, like, I feel
like Tiny is really good with Alina mid. Sven is just okay with Alina mid. Like
he's good. Tiny is very good because he can actually like go in and set up for
Lina early on. I feel like you pick the techies yourself if you're one win, because they pick
out a phase. Sure, you can do that too. Because it's just generally really good here and it's
good with the arcs here as well. The combo that we've seen, the vacuum into blast off
triple mine is quite good, especially if you have something else to go with that.
Like I would love to see some like techies spear breaker from them, something like that.
That would be a nice draft.
It is definitely nice if you get like another melee body in a way, like with the Darkseer later against Delina,
whether it's some clock, which I do think this team doesn't play that much.
I don't think Ari plays that hero, but like Bounty is fine.
SB again, I would love a lot. I think that's a great call.
Love the Vacuum into Y-vernalty. This is a powerful combo.
And they go with a Witch Doctor.
Okay, interesting. Yeah, I will follow up with you interesting because I don't like this double
sub duo with Lina. Like when you play Lina mid you want you need a melee guy you want a melee
fat dude that walks around goes in first gives you the vision maybe has a stun clock SP whether
it's tusk yeah like all these heroes work like very well all of these three guys kind of want to
like they're not that good at catching like they can get spaced out very easily and already went
into wyvern, high range hero, darksayer as well.
A lot of these heroes are prone to getting vacuumed
in the middle of a fight too,
and they will all get cooked if there's a vacuum on them.
They, Na'Vi needs to like tiny centaur
or something like this.
Like they need two really beefy boys that have stuns.
I do not see any other way for them to round out their draft.
If they pick like one more ranged hero,
I feel like they're cooked.
Yeah, they're definitely gonna pick two melee bruisers.
And yeah, there's zero chance that Lena can be flexed anywhere else at this point.
It can be Carrie, but at the same time, Lena is not my favorite Carrie into Darkseer at all.
Like, the Zero doesn't like being both ever.
This is actually very interesting. This should be Ari's Hero.
I think... could it be Mid? I don't think so.
Like, I don't think that this is a very good lane, so...
You just get Batrider Darkseer as a lane, obviously very good.
You have insane amounts of waveshub, and you get Blink Lasso against Lena later, which is a huge counter to the hero.
Yeah, and against the two supports of Navi, it's just been so long since I've seen bats.
I'm trying to remember what it's good against.
You don't really care that much about the witch doctor maladdicting you, and it's really hard to trade with a bat on the side.
Yeah.
And that's what witch doctor likes to do.
You can also kill him through his heal pretty easily. You're going to cut creep waves, which doctor is not a huge fan of you can kill Willow through her W as well.
And then like you mentioned, the gap close on Lina is amazing. This is how you counter her.
At least a good thing that Navi have is that if the Lina does go mid, you do very well against Pango and Deline.
Like you're supposed to beat this guy quite heavily.
So again, we talked about the heroes for Navi before.
They need tanky guys to go in first, get us done off, talk about the tiny Sven for the carry, I think those are good options.
And then you can maybe look on the 23 pick for PMA.
Because I do think the Sven-Tiny are above everyone else and they have two bands.
So unless you have a third one you really like, you should take one of those two.
It's interesting though because both of those heroes suffer a little bit in lane to a Batrider.
I know Batrider's laning prowess is like not what it was before
Okay, so they do go for the centaur
What's the what's the save interaction like what is you cannot save someone from lasso yeah, okay, it doesn't it doesn't work
Yeah, let's was the be all and all same with like snowball you can snowball people into that
Hmm
Viper ban yeah makes sense. You don't want the it's shadows one of the few carries that will play that I
Personally don't think you need to ban Necro because you have an abundance of magic damage unless you really feel like it
Owns the lane so hard exactly. Yeah, I agree
He maybe you can make the case that okay one win like they can build a pipe
There's a cold embrace to like back him up and give him this but no
I think at the same time, like they can even be looking...
I guess one way can really look at the Sven themselves,
because I think you either have to ban it,
because if you don't, Navi should take it out of phase.
So I do kind of wonder what Navi are cooking here, out of the phase.
Because if those heroes get banned out,
there's like an Alchemist out of phase,
which I think suffers a lot against Archier,
because you're way lower DPS side than the other two.
You feel like there's anything I'm missing?
That like got the juice can maybe pull out from the safe lane
Melee heroes and I've definitely has is out place when quite a bit
another time he's out
Like Ursa and other games works, but not against Winter Wyvern. This matchup is pretty I was also very annoying for you when it comes to team fighting
I mean, maybe there's an avenue where you can pick
um a range hero that like maybe plays on either like pike manta or like manta
linkens eventually so that it's not that easy for you to like get jumped by a
bad writer but it doesn't seem that easy so obviously since they're benix when
they're not picking it themselves so interesting so when you're talking about
ranged heroes I mean what would they be what like drow it's also very difficult
I mean most of the ranged heroes are really good to get a dark Sierra illusion of so you
don't want to play. Most of those you don't want to play. I mean, no, you can't troll.
Not into Wyvern. Wyvern blocks a lot of good picks. That's the thing. I'm trying to look
of the hero list and Abwindranger is a like in band yeah it's a it's a good
hero would have been would have been fine lanes fine and and it's at least
active and you can kind of get in there you're not really a melee hero but you
can go in first his thing though they still sort of do need that beefy boy as
well like you were talking about a lot of those types of carry are gone now
Hmm. I'm struggling with this one a bit. Oh, they go for the void. Okay
that I
Like that. It's decent. I really like that
It's the highest winner a hero on Dota buff against Darkseer and I would imagine probably against Batrider as well
Very good against Bat. Against pango. It's good too. You can chrono him and you know
Stop his roll. You can jump the back line Wyvern chrono the Wyvern. That's pretty nice
but one win does have like absolute last pick so they could pick something that's
a really good answer to the void and they go for a generic luna they're just gonna up the
tempo of the game before void can get online yeah makes sense actually i don't mind the void pick
from navi i think it is quite greedy it is slow but at the same time he should have at least
like space in the early game and obviously you have him plus lina that can get good pick us
throughout the game, but the Void Darkseer matchup also goes both ways in a way. Like,
Darkseer will free farm early on. Like, you don't really stop him, you just free farm yourself if
you had a phases Void in this matchup, and I'm a little afraid for the tempo that they're playing
into. But I have a little more faith in Navi this time around than I did in the game prior.
Yeah, and they have really good stuff to throw into the atmosphere too, like which Dr. Void,
That's a classic combo. I mean, obviously you can't put the ward in the chrono anymore, but just throw it on the outside
It's like it's the same thing. Lena has a shit ton of magic damage. She can toss in there
Even willow that can be nice if you hit a good enough chrono where she can get her damage from the side
Yeah, I like it's a little it's a little banking on going late game though is the only thing
Yeah, I hope that now we can do a better job at like this minute 7 to 15 because when you look at one win
They will collect all of the heroes are quite good at laning Luna loves going through the gate
Like you have a very strong safe then you have an often that will always shove their lane
Bzm on pango also loves to go around and Lena centaur these cores don't tip you around to like help you or help someone else
I hope the team so you got a damage control
Yeah, I like I like their chances a lot better this time
I like them because I feel like they have some specialty heroes. They have some more
I don't know if they would win a game three potentially against woman because woman looks really strong like they genuinely are back in form to a large degree, but this looks way better. All right, then. Well, I'll throw it over to our commentators. What do you think about void pick guys?
think about Void pick guys.
Always happy to see it.
We don't get to see a lot of it.
Obviously, as the panel said, it does have potential here, right,
but it's always a bit of a risky one
because there's so many other carries that are available right
now that just kind of seem to do the carrying job a little bit
easier than the Void.
Yes, and playing versus Wyvern, playing versus saves,
is always very obnoxious to play as a faceless Void.
And over on this meta, too, it can be a very slow hero.
And when I am looking at Navi's draft,
sure, the Lena can be a little fast in a way if she dominates the lane and gets to progress into all that,
which she should.
Centaur, though, is a farming hero. Void, very farm heavy, so...
Concerns just like Kezi was talking about, the tempo.
And if one win is able to play at the pace that they did last game, I'm really worried.
And especially because of the nature, the way that some of these Void players do like to play the Void,
they go for this battle fury build,
Which means you're not really turning up and doing anything on your own for a long time in the build up
Which I was funny interesting to see is me yoni just not something that you see voids do
Not many of them. No, they still collapsed. Oh, I'm sorry
I think you're Toro very rarely. He's still deviated sometimes right? I think I saw a few that he did
But it's been so it's so rare that we see the boy
So you don't just see it a few different builds, but it's really just a fury
I think it was a T.I. or something, one of the previous tournaments this year when we did have enough of Void, they also wanted to do this Battlefury build.
So the thing also for the Battlefury build, you're obviously not standing and still in attacking as much, you eventually go like this agonist route, blah blah blah, right?
My worry though is like, even with this Battlefury build, before this, there's an attack speed slow in this game. Now, massive one.
Pango is one of the biggest attack speed slow AOEs in the game. You know, Void, if he does get hit by any of this lucky shot proc, his attack is going to be pretty pathetic in how much he's actually going to be committing.
But that's not going to be the obviously the idea. I think for Navi. They're just trying to get back to guys
We need to fix what's going wrong
We don't know what's going wrong because that last game right they looked like yeah
I dropped super strong, but they clearly didn't know how to play it as well as yandex did so I think now
They're just trying to refine their identity and they're going back to basics. Yeah, at least
outside of the ultimates
That they have on one when there isn't easy ways to trip up the point like he's gonna be time walking all over the place
Unless you are dropping like a curse or a lasso or the rolling thunder. Yeah outside of using the ults
Got the juices gonna have some freedom to sort of
Feed these early fights and allow and tap the space and time to get the the slow build online as the faces for it
They've got they've got it. It's not like the best catch and things for but they do have good chase
You know what I mean? Like it's this whittling damage that can be annoying for something like void
That's the one thing I do have worry for him because like they're talking this other way void versus darks air matchup
Void doesn't like to play versus continuous damage, so this can be a pretty annoying lane in terms of when you want to actually time-walk in some scenarios when the Ion Shell does start to ramp up.
But they gotta get through early game, they gotta get through mid game, it's a late game-oriented draft for Navi and we know that one win, they're gonna look to set temple pretty fast, especially with that last pick, right?
That last pick pretty much says how they wanna play. You pick a Luda with this draft, guys, we're gonna be hitting these objectives pretty early with our heavy teamfight and control that the Luda brings.
So it's really going to be up to Navi to weather that storm.
Good time dilation game though, I will say. That's the other thing about the Void that I do like a lot here in this game versus Darkseer versus Bat.
Bottom Shad.
I'm not going to quite be able to get him.
We have to chase completely and that's going to get harder and harder to get the kills
in when the levels come through here, obviously having to wipe them, backing up the Lunar.
That's going to be able to provide a lot of safety here for Shadow in this lane.
Hey, Lina's looking infinitely better than last time though already.
There you are.
Santar's doing well.
Lina's doing well.
Void's going to be slowed down, but to be a bit expected, I think you assume.
So, oh no, I think you're pretty happy in the bottom, wipe on.
Ward placed.
I don't get it.
I don't get it.
It's in the killing end.
Love to see it.
You lose a little bit out of it,
but you know what?
Get yourself a bit of confidence
after those last two very brutal games that you've played.
Get yourself a nice early first blood.
Get yourself off to a good start in these lanes.
And it's a very good,
the other thing is that they do have some
of good aggressive things to do if they want to itemize.
So I can actually say for PMA,
maybe he will deviate slightly
where he just goes dominator into more aggressive stuff
to play with the supports to get more space in the map.
It could be something he does.
Maybe not the only necessary if they do well in the lanes, mid.
Yeah, easy, I'm nearly killing Niku there with the Conbutt.
Needs to always put a lot of these midlaners right?
The younger ones especially do push the limits as much as possible.
Niku's sitting at 30 HP.
How much does it take?
The trip.
Back to base.
See the salve on the barrier.
Yeah, okay.
Just sticking out in the lane with the salve.
Water rune's coming up as well too.
to miss out on any of this extra experience. It has supports rotating as well. So lanes
looking great, Navi, all three. Looking like they are going to come out ahead on them.
Darks are now at this point, 33 is just jungling and they're giving back right at the lane.
So on top of having the great, Greed is good and your lanes are doing well, so it's ideal
all for Navi.
Mid.
So once the sixes are online soon, we'll see.
If we get any plus ones coming in to try and punish the other.
Definite kill threat.
Absolutely, yeah, from both sides around those
rolling thunders and lagooners.
Day's lagooned in the area too.
Very good hero versus the pango in the early game, the Swillo.
I didn't expect Shad to have this rough of a start, to be honest with you. 21 and 3 to the 26 and 7. They've done a good job of slowing down his farm at the moment here. He has a wave coming in so it's going to look better in a second here, but he's 8 CS behind the Void. I thought the Void was going to be having a bit of a slower time versus the Ion Shells.
but able to just free farm, guess with the backup of the witch doctor, he makes the difference with the heals.
There's some good damage onto 33 here with the maledicts and a couple of bashes.
They want to try for Riddies, Ari.
So at least we can't really come back in yet.
He's gonna pull pretty loads for Maledict.
TP's coming forward.
Ari not gonna be able to kill Riddies, and he's probably just given up his own life.
Ari goes down, Riddies survives.
Nice TP. Day is very active.
Last game he struggled a lot on the bounty hunter this time, World of Difference mid, Niku will have to go to base this time.
So he won't be able to likely secure the power rune, but BZM also very low HP, so if he goes for the power rune, the supports might be able to get him.
He's sounding to be tempted to stick around for it.
Six minutes coming up on the clock.
Okay, Riddies.
BZM grenade!
He's got him.
Yeah, he's gonna be in trouble and really he's gonna be able to TP out. So he'll be fine
And indeed that Malodict will do it takes BZM out gets a big greedy there trying to stick around for the six-minute rune
I felt confident in the fact that his supports will be able to connect
But not a whole lot they could do when he gets caught by a blood grenade in a Malodict
But it's for being greedy Ari will try to pull the wave off so they can get some damage onto the mid tower
Ari might be dead. I think he will be. There we go. Good things happening around the mid and good things happening across the map here
Navey after what's been pretty much for three games back to back to back two
years to then and the one just now where they've been having a rough time in that
early game in particular coming into this one and it looks like they're
finally finding their footing again here for thank goodness to see it too right
because I was getting so worried for the way they were playing this one they
have a great late game draft they've dominated the lead so far. 2k lead here
coming up seven minutes in could not really ask for more there if you Navey
And now you can just do standard those are PMA. I was saying maybe he has to deviate if things didn't go
We know just do standard just dominator if you wants to go for which one of this game Lotus our heart
Both have merits into the blink
So it's gonna be much slower for the side of one way which is a tempo based draft
Sure, they still scale as well too not to say that they don't but Luna versus void
You want to be ahead and already playing 500 gold behind the docks are also being slowed down as big stuff
That's very big and I think sort of our all them. I think is that that top blame
I think I just sort of alluded to I thought this fight was gonna get a bit more pressure put into him
But maybe so it's not seems like they've not been able to do it this time here 33 and I
Actually think it might have been the witch doctor thing right where he just has the heel
Yeah, you don't even care about the iron shows another family and these be had this melodics doing work pretty's
Looking, I mean he's playing his most comfortable hero as we've seen
And just for the support comparison right there you can see on the network the supports of one winner
Pretty poor. Yeah
We have not seen much bat rider played and
Perhaps we might see a reason of why of it already really struggling in terms of being able to do anything at this point here
Hey, this is a bat rider overall this hero you don't provide much until now if you have this type of struggle
You don't provide anything until you do get level six and you get a blink shot. We'll find a kill
Yeah, I guess an easy solo kill there around the eclipse as he knew that ritties was looking for him
So they're in the trees
Yeah, they might just dive him
So a lot of damage at the least. Good little body blocks.
They continue to do so. Shats in trouble. The stampede is up and PMA.
Oh, that's region. It doesn't matter. The bottom blast comes through here.
PMA getting the kill. He won't get out.
But absolutely worth it there from him.
Now heading in and making this play solo against Shat.
Pretty much taking him down 100 to 0.
Beautiful body blocks with the sader there.
And just having the nuke that was actually close to him living because of the Ashley just shield
That's dying though 33 looks healthy enough. Yeah, he's gonna be fine
That won't be enough to kill him and that was the attempt with the Kronos fair
So slower start from one win
Getting themselves on the board though at least for a shot even they did get brought down found himself a kill
Mask of madness is coming on much slower than I think you would have liked it to, but that's when that's pace will increase
But the battlefield is gonna come out so fast
With the start that got the juice been able to get he's gonna be able to keep ahead of that Luna
All right, I hear really well. Oh Niku so little bit of a switch with the build too. I haven't seen everybody do this
I've seen soul rings picked up on some of the leaners. He went for Falcon blade in between the boots of travel
There we go. We're done. Oh, top line
Got the juice, got Timewalk up in a second.
No six.
Nothing to stop it.
Probably Batrider.
Ah, Neeko in the mid, really.
Making the moves this game up and down the map, joining forces with Niku to be able to
take BZM out.
Yeah, just didn't kind of all across all heroes.
We don't see anyone by Falcon Blade.
It's not really considered, I guess, a value in our fights.
But yeah, Niku wants to try out his build this time.
Who even buys it nowadays?
It's just, yeah, that's on any kind of way, even.
Right, like...
Oh, yeah, I guess that's the game.
Yeah, that's about it.
I think even some of them skip it.
Some of them even skip it, yeah.
I don't know if they're even buying it that much anymore, so...
Yeah, interesting to see Niko pivoting.
I've seen the Soul Ring a lot,
so clearly they always want a man-on-man item in between it.
This one gives you some extra damage instead of having that defensive capability, so...
Sure.
Niko feeling confident this game.
8-2, 1k lead, BZM.
will be able to walk himself out of that one. They have an amp damage for the next move, Shad.
They could swing down here. Smoked up.
He's anticipating the movement. Yeah, he's already back by the tier two.
Do they anticipate his anticipation? It'll be quite a deep sweep to try and catch him,
and Whitemon's also staying very hidden in the trees.
Wishdoctor's already level 6. This ulti can kill almost anybody.
Menbezian on the 1 win side. Bezian, it's a DD Niku.
Oh, I don't want to mess around with this too much.
Especially Niku getting the buff up from the Stampede to take him out.
Bezian will not be able to do anything about that.
It's a very well-rounded draft from Nobby after they've gotten through it the early game,
getting through it the greed for the face of Void.
Stampede's going to be fantastic versus Rollin' Thunder.
There's definitely lack of control.
They've got good ways of chasing it,
it perhaps on the side of one with the black control.
He's been caught in.
Hold it.
Brace is not going to help him one bit.
BZM caught out by Riddies by the neutral camp there with the paralyzing cars.
Riddies is owning.
He's a guy's pick me which doctor every game.
This is much better.
And he's crushing it.
Yeah.
I thought it was a few weeks.
Doctors kind of struggle and fall off, especially when it comes to the this point
in the game where you're moving up and down the map.
But yeah, Riddies movements have been pretty top tier.
It's getting all the connections.
Death Ward always going to be very useful versus Cold Embrace.
Pure damage, goes right through it.
I love a game where we can see an axe which Dr. At some point, unfortunately, will not ever will.
But there's speed! There's speed on one spin!
Because there's the chrono. You have that beautiful setup for it.
This would be the game, if it gets to that point.
If even needs to. Probably doesn't really as much need to express what the team is doing right now.
They're probably saying that this game is very open for us.
They've taken both of these towers, placed very good aggressive wards, limiting and constricting the Lunas farm.
Everyone's smart now, all three corners.
That being said, we are seeing 33 catching up.
Actually very close behind the center here.
So see how much he's going to be able to do, and they get the lasso.
They're going to catch him as he tries to jump up.
He's going to use the chrono sphere to get away.
Very smart.
And that will save him.
Big brain chrono.
Just start to look a bit spooky there for God to choose, but he survives.
Only thing you really have to worry about in this early game is that LASO after he uses the time walking.
Ari is getting closer and closer toward a blink too, so there's going to be more opportunities for them to go for those type of grabs soon.
Yeah, he's cool back up. The rest of the support's now on par with the farm of Navi's.
It's a farming hero in comparison to a ganking hero.
Pretty easy.
Pretty easy.
I was thinking about going for some sort of solo play there with the Maledict and Death War, but holds back.
And let's see does Niku go for any type of adaptation afterwards with the falcon blade?
I imagine not.
So Kaya, I like this a lot.
When you're playing versus Pango, I think sliding a BKB early is something I argue for
every time.
Also, versus Luna, you just get caught once.
If you don't have BKB, you could just die and your momentum slows down.
So I'm cool if he goes this build.
I'm gonna get PMA going to the heart.
It's gonna be tough to bring down.
Yeah, there we go.
13 minute battle fury timing here.
Very fast.
Somehow did actually fall behind Shad a little bit in terms of farm.
It's a bit more space for Shad for the moment, but Shad, can you...
I don't know why I'm picking so much with this lately, but...
Okay, Josh is coming, actually, whatever. He has Blade of Alacrity as backpack for the last minute or so.
One of my...
Yeah, this is making his way over, but it gets a good fear on a boat for them.
He's setting up a big damage.
I mean, a beautiful setup for the days
allows him to get a very easy couple of kills then, R.V.
That was, I mean, even the curse crown pops on the two of them.
That was his beautiful attitude that could have been.
And this has got to feel pretty good for days, right?
After that early game on the Bounty last game.
This time round, 2-0-6,
just a night and day difference here
from days in this opening.
Honestly, like, don't pick him bounty again.
Nye is nothing against it.
like he did look really rough on it.
And especially as an inter-woman,
like they seem like they're like,
you wanna play bounty against us,
we have all the answers.
Yeah, finding something much better to play
with this time, days, and setting up some sweet plays.
Cause looking at the map, right?
Look at the way that 1-win has protected their jungle.
Even if there's no bounty hunter,
look how many centuries of purchase anyway.
They're looking to take out all these wards.
So yeah, maybe playing some of these
in-vice heroes versus team isn't as good.
Whitemont does like to cover the area.
It's one of those hard five positions.
Smoked up looking for team fight.
Adapting with the build, so scene 33,
he goes, he's going guys, I need a dispel earlier
versus this time dilation and all these other things
and versus the Willow spells.
He's going grieves and that's probably an indicator
that they also want to try to fight back early
and not let Navi just farm.
The truck, the gentleman, is onto a hard center.
PMA's just finished that up.
That's not gonna work.
The juice.
Beautiful.
That's very nice. Catches the two of them on each side of it, 33.
And Wipom.
Did he...
Did he see Wipom?
How the hell did he catch him on the side of that chrono?
That was beautiful.
I tell you he did, but it might have just been a fortunate placement there.
And he'd catch Wipom whilst he was up in the trees.
And ensuring that Wipom would not be able to get any of those classic saves off against the chrono plate.
I'd like because I don't know if you saw him but he was aware of him because the way that he placed the chrono was put in a
Position to catch the back line and put the lead Wow that was really nice there and from one win sloppy right jumping forward going for the
Centaur there's no way that was gonna happen. Yeah, that's the heart did only just come out, but sure and then right it's
Even if that be you're not killing that centaur. Yeah, you're not doing much about him until you're certainly not killing him before
He's able to press stampede if he needs to no, so they won't be doing that again top one to go for there
Shad getting space, Manta, soon on the horizon, but not ahead enough.
He's only two or three hundred ahead of the void he wants to be.
At least a thousand or so, at least two thousand, maybe even more, and they seem to have a
read of where he is.
He's farming pretty deep on this self-plane.
Now he's showing.
I think you're not quite landing the stun.
I'm still Shad, and he's going nowhere to run.
And no TP to play with anyway.
Oh, the catch.
Back and forth it goes.
Maybe another catch too, Ari.
They'll find him off to the side of the map.
They'll certainly get him.
RV, look in the hoist.
They have by far over these last couple of days,
completely owning this early game here.
And with a lineup, it's going to feel fantastic to do so.
If you're getting away with the void,
Got the juice, smashing the timings.
It's a picture-perfect game for that.
It's looking, it really is, having this sort of opening with this lineup.
And again, just one of those classic games where a Centaur is just so insanely farmed.
One of the offlaners that you do tend to see quite frequently,
just take this top spot and have nobody else near them.
You know, Pia make such a quick diamond on the heart,
he's going to be able to go for this blink next.
And nobody on one wins going to want to jump the Centaur.
No, they have just, it's damage issues really at this point on the side of one.
And no one can build a Vessel or any of these type of things, right, where it's very good versus these high HP heroes.
They just don't have the hero to build it, right? Wyvern, no Wybat, no.
Yeah, nobody buys this type of item versus these high HP heroes.
So he can just go with this build.
Smoke up, looking for another grab. Ari has to get a better lasso.
But they are very ready for it. Look at the two supports on the side.
You can feel the way that they're playing, they're like guys we need to get something
done.
We cannot just let this kind of game continue like this.
Of course it's 15-2, but they also know that Navi's just free farming on a faceless
void and you have a luno direct.
It's not easy though, but Kranesfer is back up for God the Juice.
Chad's trying to get involved in the rotations, but it's hurting his farm a lot.
They do have good deep vision at the moment here, so they do see Niku, and they have a
ward behind the mid tower also.
Looking for the jump.
No one on Navi's gonna show until PMA gets there, then PMA likely to show himself.
Quick jump and jump.
I'm going to be able to stop Daze from getting off his spells, PMA's in with the jump and
return over towards BZM, they have the fear to follow these up, Kono's onto the 3 of them,
but Kim will drag him back out for now, but they still have to bring down BZM,
and now one win, can they actually get trades out of this? They'll get riddies, he's in trouble,
Kono Brace will not protect him as Niku's able to burn him down, they get the stun connection
over onto 33. They can even kill Davis. They got the lasso on him, he gets the
shadow rum off, they don't have follow-up. This game is looking nearly impossible.
Trying to drag him over into the center of 33's helmet of the dominator, but they
didn't find the chain stunt, makes it very awkward the start of the fight and
of course just on the back of the timings it's been about 10 seconds
or so with the chrono comeback available. Got the juice, he was turning up for that
every single time, he's gonna try and look for that sort of move close to his own
tier two and pretty much a perfect chrono. I call those the universe chrono when you
have three heroes on the outskirts of it kind of perfectly caught. Sure there wasn't the
best follow-up afterwards immediately but it did result in them getting the two big
core kills. Yeah that's pretty impossible. This has got to feel fantastic for Navi because
they have been on the other side of this. The last three games that they played here
At this for lack here, they have been getting stomped multiple times, but here they are, now doing the stomping themselves, turning this series around.
And maybe all it takes is just going back to, guys, let's just play our comfort. Let's not go too far outside of the box with things with an undying mid.
Let's just stick to our guns, because this, when you look at it, Grandmaster, Platinum, Platinum, Master, Platinum, right?
It is full comfort across the board for them, and an easier lineup overall to fight if you do come out of your lanes.
they did. They came out great out of those lanes, even one that I thought was going to get pressure
more, essentially winning all three lanes. From one win side of things, do you think there's
something that they've tried this game with the draft that kind of sticks out as different to what
they've been doing in their other games, where they have been winning? Yeah, I mean, the bat is
one of the biggest ones at least. Yeah, even though there is the comfort. Yeah, it's just different
because you're so reliant on having last off at all times. Not many other people are playing this
because the hero has gotten so many different nerfs. You don't farm the same way that you
used to either so I think that's the biggest one that's the difference for me
because when you look at it right like in that last scenario right that's if they
have a different hero to someone else is starting the fight instead of like a
band they might be have a different follow-up so it's just awkward because
this one just feels like they this is not the same synergy from their draft and
Batch is not tier 2.
Oh, he's in under the tier 2.
They get caught by the curse, and the rolling thunder comes in.
Another catch.
And another bounce back from BZM.
PMA is dead, Sander is set for Riddies.
Alright, they might need to slow down a little bit there, Nafi.
PMA, of course he's massive, but not massive enough to do that.
Just goes and feeds away his life under the tier 2.
Nice little cast of curse for them after playing so beautifully.
Just super deep.
I mean that was that went even close to no one that didn't really have the rest of the team
Close enough to do I guess one of the situations run by the teammates are looking over you'd be like guys
Well, what are we doing under this tier 2 tower?
PMA got a big too big bit too big for his bridges as you're saying right having that 4k HP. He was like I can't die
One step of many but a good step forward Chad
Bottom.
Yeah, can they cook at the angle?
Uh, Shad's being cautious.
Playing it safe. He's going for the blink build.
So, I like this. I think we've seen this one a lot more from the lunas.
It looks a little awkward here. Don't get me wrong.
But he's playing into the void, right?
It's about the blink out and all these other places.
And even just the blink forward and getting past
some of the frontline heroes to get to the backline.
You can see the reasoning why. And yeah, it's just the new build.
It's the build that we're seeing from all the lunas.
Maybe not this early, but...
He'll be very dead.
Flows this game so far from the Lina.
Got the juice, only about 600 gold off from having that axe, so the axe battle fury timing
coming in exactly when he would hope for when he came into this game as the Void.
Yep, he's almost level 18, approaching the 20 talent.
And then just, yeah, still a clear separation between him and that Luna.
For one win, it's gonna have to be out of the 1-0 combos for the team fights for them to get these players.
I'm hoping that PMA does overextend, of course, as we did see. It did happen before.
Now, Manage is to bait Whitemon in there with the helm of the Dolan Crete, you know, Whitemon was like,
I'm gonna get this and then PMO's level that I'm gonna get you and he did
Here with the numbers they do have four bottom on one right now if they can try to find a sneak onto Navi
Nope, they're all getting too close together. Never mind
Tough to go for days looking
Lasso got the lasso
You could just get a towel in the bus
and a nice vacuum air out of the wall there.
Beautiful combo from 33.
As that three of Navi gone, and maybe more PCM turns over towards PM8,
they're trying to push up forward, but the juice jumps in.
Doesn't really want to use the chrono here,
because it doesn't have the backup to lay down the damage.
Got the juice?
Pushing up the juice back.
The juice should be fine.
There's not really enough lockdown to punish him.
What a combo.
He's going to keep chasing me. He's playing type of shat to come in and will manage to force out the Chronosphere from Got The Juice.
So how many use the Chronosphere to live?
Look at 33.
I'm not done yet. 33 is still seeing if he can chase down Got The Juice even further.
The vacuum drag back. Got The Juice has another time walk though.
Gets back into the base. Will live though. My goodness. That combo.
Shaking up Navi quite a bit there.
They're working. These are miracles that they're working here too. Niku held the BKB for a split second there.
He actually gets caught in the vacuum because of it
That was beautiful again
Wow, I'm very impressed with the way that they've been able to bring back some of these teamfights like this one right
He held the BKB for a second. Yeah, you're absolutely right if he was a little bit more cautious
He got that BKB out in the early moments that fight might have stood a chance to at least bring some more arrows down with them
That was very impressive that this type of deficit versus type of lineup. They're breaking some of what Navi was feeling
And Chong, they still can do it if they get the Wombo combos.
So, gotta keep eyes on those.
It's buying Shad another opportunity to get closer toward his BKBs, if that's how you have it done.
Still behind the point.
But Chong and Teamfights, if they can get the Wombo combo.
PMA now does have a BKB himself.
Easy app.
Another kill though. Getting momentum.
I'd say I did not expect these type of kills to be happening after that early game.
Catching them off guard.
PZM.
Not able to get the ice cream bottled up.
He's got a pretty okay timing on his agonies now too, all things considered.
Only what?
1,500 behind Alina now.
How close is the Shiva's also for the Darkseer, getting closer?
If they do manage to get another teamfight in their favor, they will have a good shot at taking away that net worth lead.
It's certainly going to feel painful for Navi as we were saying here.
This was kind of the early game that we've been waiting to see from them, where they're taking over, they're getting this advantage after suffering some really rough losses.
But then if they like start to let it slip away, especially after they made that play with PMA diving the tier two
It's not gonna feel good. I'm gonna get the catch on the white one
They are, Niko still have a blink up to follow his blink away white one
So they do get the wyvern. They're all gone blink daggers are ways to mobility, right?
The Void has it built in but the witch doctor as well having it queued up. They're gonna go for the rush
They have their BKBs now at the ready
So the combo is harder for one win to land, but if they can land it or see how strong it can be
Very dangerous territory here. Oh
That's forces stampede at the least but
Those draw their attention away from the pit a little bit but
Question of if it's enough to stop them from going back into it Chad. They see him
Dave's was looking for a friend to join.
Just get the brown balls and forces out the BKB from Shad.
Means a free rush.
Unless they want to try and make a steal play with the Wyvern and the Pango.
I guess they could still yolo it, which they might do.
If they do get the information, they are sending the creep over.
So, have a look at this.
Falling pretty quickly.
Does PZM want to try and do something crazy?
It looks like they don't.
Two dangers.
They're holding back.
They're not taking the risk.
Take this
I got the juice I gotta say he is playing it safe right is gonna go back for the DKB as well to the
So about VKB somebody just pressed it. I think I was PMA
Okay, well unfortunate times there. That's the 9 second BKB down the drain
Okay, now I was wondering if juice was gonna do this
I was gonna say this one is still in debate of what some players some players like the time walking along some like having attack speed I
Like having the attack speed almost every game personally
All right, I'm catching again. So back to sort of pushing the bat quite successfully here, Navi
And yeah, the BKB triple BKB course
So if one went if they can land the vacuum combos, it would be fantastic
But yeah now into triple BKB is a lot harder for them to get that setup as we did see before
Now at the comfort of the ages to got the juice can get to pushing
days
He's been everywhere
Very oppressive this game on the willow any time somebody showing he's forcing a reaction forcing a move in forcing a BKB
Shouts gotta be careful if he shows down here. I'll be
Trying to take the tier 2 we'll see how much they can get done here with the ages on got the juice
Nice.
One moment, they want to try and have a take, a fight into that age, I guess is the question.
Or do you imagine they will just avoid Narvi completely?
Looks like probably avoiding through until that does go down, but maybe if they do see
them split in a very specific opportunity, if they can get the catch with the Batrider.
Smoke up.
EGM is trying to look if someone is split away.
Wari?
I'm going to be able to get the jump, and Riddies and PMA are there at the side, ready
to react.
They have to get a damage instance onto them immediately, otherwise they're going to get
the blinkouts and reset away.
So one has to be very, kind of perfect with how they get this initiation, and the push
has got the juice, takes bottom tower, swings to top them for another tier two, debating
which item he wants to go for still if it's Scotty or Butterfly and it's Navi
now looking for the fight on their terms.
Not gonna be a forced BKBR shot this time. If that shot's just gonna turn and get aggressive,
jumps back over the days, kills him off. Not that days was the one who tried to
start that. Alright. Quick bust. As soon as he shows they turn, blow him up.
Still gonna maybe think about doing something. 33's jumped in for this. Just
Look at the vacuum out onto the boat with that.
It's coming to Lida.
As it curves as well, Niko at the side has to try and run it from Shana BZM.
A BZM is going to find it. Comes in with a swashbuckle, takes Niko out.
Riddies also to die.
Got the juice. He is here now, but his 2 vs. 4.
What can he do with this?
Whitemon looks like he's getting left behind, so got the juice.
At least cleaning up the second support.
Can the rest get out?
Blink up in 8 seconds on 33.
3, looks like they should be able to disengage.
They got the initial stun onto Niku before he got BKB off.
He took half his HP before he was able to click it.
He needs armor.
He really needs armor on this Lina somehow.
I mean, pretty big rod to be able to make these plays
into a team that's, you know, the team that has the damage
something they carry, you're still
able to get in there and kill off that mid.
They're just, they're sacrificing their supports
every single time on the side of 1 win.
But it is just the supports dying up for, what,
is it 10 minutes or so?
I feel like I haven't seen a core die on the side of 1 win
in a very long time now.
Yeah, it's just the supports. Look at that. Wyvern Bat, Wyvern Bat, Wyvern Bat all over the place.
On the game, as you can see, stabilizing a little bit here.
Sean Navi's still overall with the lead, but one win showing that they can come in with some pretty good punches whilst behind.
And some very cool moves. Yeah, Shad is still debating, right? Just switching the item build up all the time.
Now he's going for the Silver Edge. More aggressive type of play.
Got the juice. I think that is the Scotty though about to be finished up for him.
So he is still continuing to tank up a lot here in this game.
And he is still truly the one that they have to deal with at the end of it all.
Getting the kills onto Niku though, they are making him suffer after having such a good start.
11 and 2 in the game, as you see, he does buy the plate now.
Even though it's not the most comfortable build, you need armor.
Just seeing the pangos is getting on top of him now three times.
PMI, full Sheamus, killing up the AGS next, then he'll be able to save Niku.
Because unlikely that he's going to have to use that really ungodly juice in most of
these scenarios, this void is still quite free in these fights.
Alright.
He's actually out.
Wow.
He's actually out.
Whoa!
Whoa!
Whoa!
Wow.
Baze.
Look at the setup on a Y.
My 33 comes in with a vacuum stun onto the two of them.
It sucked it, but now he may have gotten itself killed.
Yeah, this time round will not manage to turn and run away.
Serge was still caught on even if it wasn't the stun and the bash controls there.
I'll be back to get some pretty big kills there taking out 33.
233 is gonna give us 70 seconds. Well, they don't have to worry about this dog
Say pushing the waves back out like overall for one when they have to choose like the most
Specific battles in this game to try to turn if they take the wrong one or two bite
The game is still just as rough as it has been for the majority
So you do see there now if you can try and take quite a bit from the base now
Now they have the chronosphere at the ready for a foreman do try and run into them for the defense. They can push two sets
They can push very very safely here with the beef of the center on the boy dot the front lines
They have 40 seconds until the Darkseer, they shouldn't fear that much until he is back up.
Maybe Niku should, I think Niku should probably stand a bit back, the other two not so much.
They will give respect to it though, BZM with the roll.
two of them, gets Whitemon, gets BZM's, there'll be no protection coming out from
one win as Navi can continue the siege and should be able to take at least a
second set here away from one win.
Very nice Kronos this game here from Got the Juice. Multiple times now where
he's been finding these Kronos where Whitemon's been getting caught, he's not
He's not being able to make any sort of count to play here as the Wyvern.
Yeah, he blinked out aggressively on that one to try to go for some type of play.
Really struggling this game on the Wyvern, 1-11, and that might just be the megas.
Might just have to buy back on the pango to try to hold with the 5-man.
NA, what's with the BKB immediately after his shout out? Put the BKB himself.
He's back here, but see Niko at the side, fighting an angle on to Whitemon, Whitemon, who gets saved from now.
He'll survive, they're turning the Lasso down, but there's the jump forward, got the juice, Kers will hold him in position.
A try with the rolling gun to follow up, but the beat came, he's up, got the juice, he's able to jump down with the time warp.
They've used a triple buyback here on one win to push Navi back. Niko, as you say, getting out alive.
British probably won't be as lucky, PMA is just having a TPR, all of them.
If they can have anything else left to cancel that TP, they hold here one win, but it costs them three buybacks, and they only manage to kill a witch doctor.
Only just hanging on, I think the curse may be to protecting legal leaders.
Tough to see how he ends up actually surviving, because it was with 60 HP or so that he just scurries away with, but he lives.
Triple buyback, they lose majority of the racks.
Shadow, he's going to have to dream big.
Go right here.
Yeah, you have to.
All these buybacks expended, whether or not he's going to be able to farm it before
Navi come in with the next hit.
That's going to be another question.
We'll see.
Level 25 now also.
Forgot the juice.
Of course, yeah, they have a Silver Edge to break it, but the HP pool that he has,
It's so hard for them to burst that.
5-0-10, faces Floyd Owen.
It's not something you see then.
In this day and age, he's had a beautiful game, got the juice.
Pretty much flawless.
They played the lane perfectly.
Kind of the Void-Witch-Doctor combo.
I mean, that itself, quite an old combo as well.
Not something you'd expect to necessarily see in this 20-26, but it's been fantastic.
And...
Goodbye, Shad.
From the laning phase onwards, it really set him up to just be untouchable.
They couldn't do anything about him.
Indeed, with Shad dead, effectively a die back for 100 seconds.
Doesn't feel like there's much left from one win.
That's going to be able to stop Narvi from pushing this to a game three.
Some slight shake-ups, but that's all it really was.
A little bit of a shake-up.
Got to try for it though. Good jump there, but Blake hacks 33.
Who do you want to go for?
It occurs to start things.
Rolling Thunder, back him onto the two of them.
Too much to track them in a pretty nice spot for the Rolling Thunder to continue bouncing on,
but they're dead on the bow for them.
No by Vax.
Gigi is called Narvi.
We'll push this to a game three, and as we've been waiting to see this,
they've had rough game after rough game,
but today here in this game two, Narvi absolutely showing us what they can achieve.
Yeah, one win. Some nice moves when they were that far behind.
I actually did not expect them to even get those type of connections.
So maybe for Navi, a little bit cleaner they could do in this type of game
when they are stopping this hard.
But overall, good to see them get their momentum back.
They needed this bad. And now we do get a series.
Absolutely. We'll see if they can keep it up.
Got into the third game.
One-to-one now between Navi and one win.
We're going to keep it up here on the panel as well.
I've got to say, if in doubt, just bust out the faceless void.
Well, I mean apparently so I'm also to me I might be hating you know some teams a little bit too hard on okay
They're not gonna send a chance and then suddenly it's like a
Deadly of the teams come out because Navi in game one can't really find them this game. They're here
You know, they're still showing that it is possible for speak Lena last big faces void looks good looks nice
So I will send my apology letter to them later in the mailbox. I mean, I think we're all happy
Oh, yeah, because you have a bunch of
of young incredibly talented players.
You look at the Dota leaderboards right now,
half of them are these guys, you know?
So they pick something that I agree with Fogg,
and what he said at the start of the cast,
which is a little more stock standard,
at least in terms of probably what these guys
are used to playing and like their whole careers
and in their pubs, there's no like crazy combination
they need to pull off, no like early game pressure that they need to apply, just good
heroes that they're all very good at that have skill expression that now hopefully these
guys have the confidence going into game three against one when that like shit guys we're
all really good players because maybe part of it is like they were losing faith in each
other as well which can happen and you need a game like this to remind you that like you're
applying with really good teammates and by the way you're also very good.
One of the things I thought was really cool in this game, we've got the juice was, you
know, early on, you know, while that void is coming online, because obviously you need
to get your levels, you need to go late, he wasn't afraid to bust out the defensive
Corona to get away from the ganks.
And it was so frustrating for one win, you know, they group up, there's four people
coming to gank this, you know, void, and he just drops the Corona walks away from it.
And he did that on two occasions.
And it really made the difference, you know, because he was able to farm his way into the
game and you can see there, you know, it might not look like much, but at 5-0-4-10, that's
everything.
Yeah, he didn't die a single time in this entire game.
And I think that Jenkins also made a good point where, and thinking some of the other
games, like maybe they're trying a little too hard to like play fast and like they picked
his dad as a nature's prophet that they lost to yesterday, oh, we need to make moves, we
need to make moves, where in this round, first big Lina, he kind of got away with everything.
Niko had a super good game, so then later you also get to face this void, you're just kind of chilling, taking a step back.
So I think going into game three, this Lina is something one would need to think about, because there must be a better answer maybe somewhere,
but maybe they feel like they can't really find it out of BZM's pool, because they are first pick hero who kind of gets to freeform like that and do a lot.
That's not good for you.
I know rank isn't everything, but every time I see Niko on the leaderboards rank four and I watch one of his replays,
I see a guy that does things different, right? Like he thinks about the game differently. A lot of the high-ranked players, you know
They're the stock standard really good carries of the world, but there's there's other than maybe satanic
There's nothing like crazy fresh. They're just insanely high skill at what they do. So for me seeing Niku
Perform well feels really good because I like the way that he thinks about the game
I will say time and time again. He just needs to be like put on a leash a little bit
Yeah, because we won yesterday because he does some insane things
But you can see if he's given a good hero if he's
Given a good here that has skill expression
He can do it
He can out lane the best of the best and pop off and carry games some of the blink stunts he was hitting in that game
We're insane like in human speed at hitting these stunts on like really really important targets
And if you don't hit those like the turnaround is there and he can feed but he always he always goes for it
That's what I respect so much about him as he will always go for those in same place
Yeah, we can also take a look at some of the moments in the game that you wanted to highlight
I think you've got a minute for me from you wonder. Yeah, I mean this one is that actually
Niko hitting a really beautiful stun. Of course starting with days here hitting this awesome fear and Niko at the very
picture perfect end frame of the stun hits two very important targets both of
which can devastate the team fight if they don't hit both of these heroes and
after that the game was pretty snowball-y I would say just like two free
pick offs on very important heroes into farming the whole map and taking
objectives it's amazing and staying with you minute 23 yes he just gets the
relax I'm just chilling I'm enjoying the ride this one is a bit of a bit of
Devastation here you could see that PMA who by the way was gigafarm man. Oh, yeah, he had a heart
You could see how much damage he does to light one who's trying to do the typical like I'm not gonna let him
You know stack and farm creeps with this centaur creep
So I'm gonna I'm gonna chase it down, but then he gives himself away as a bounty as well as the whole creep way if he was trying to prevent
that you can get. You can get
that. PMA from taking this is
ideal if you're flying sent are
or any of these heroes. It's
like dragging creeps is it when
a support goes and tries to
stop you and then you somehow
kill them, but it requires to
solo kill like that on sent are
requires you to be so it was
ultra fat in this game like they
did really well. I think in
their offline, which in some
other games, I think they fall
on a bit flat. But when you get
like some of these performances
where you could be like
compared to the best players
like you could call this like
a collapse performance on the
all your teammates and everyone to just be like, you know, actually, we're, we're pretty good.
Thanks for getting involved before the break. Can I see all some stuff? Keep it up, guys.
Anyway, we're going to take a quick break. When we come back, we're going to see if Navi are born
to win or whether one win, they're going to go to another playoffs. We'll see you in a moment.
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Now we are back and looking to make a splash here at Wachia, number 9 and I'm here with
Niki.
Find out just how they're going to do it.
So Niki, how are you doing?
How are you enjoying the break?
It was a nice break, watching the iPhone home.
The best feeling.
I'm not sure I believe you.
So basically I had a lot of rest, I played a lot of pubs also, feeling nice, refreshed.
And how did you feel watching the international?
Were you looking at these guys being like, I could do it better, we should be there?
I mean, I saw how fully Gany plays if they won us, I don't know.
They just shouldn't play here like in the TI.
They would show something, they showed nice things.
Yeah, the pressure got to them a little bit, but yeah, Alas, I mean, what was it like after those qualifiers then, you know, like, what were the team conversations like?
We talked kind of a lot, like, to understand, like, what happened, why we lost, like, to become better also.
And we had, like, some sorts, like, different sorts, and we decided, like, we got a bit unlucky.
It was two qualifiers, two main qualifiers to EWC and TI, and we decided to stay together still, try one more, yeah.
One more, yeah, I mean, is that everybody was on board, everybody's really motivated now to give it this year and try to get there?
Yeah, I would say, yeah, kind of everyone was ready. Everyone thinks it was kind of like that, and I kind of agree also, everyone was not in prime.
When you were watching TI, was there any player, any mid laner, who you thought really stood out and was doing things better than everybody else?
No, I think besides this year, it was not mid lane year, I would say, on TI. It was carry like TI.
I would say, yeah, a lot of carries are trying to carry you for each other.
And mid lane is just kind of like passengers, you know, just helping your carry to kill everyone.
You play some Amber, you play some Pango, basically you obviously want to fight the best because he won and you fight his Pango, his heroes are very good.
For sure, for sure. So what about yourself? We've already seen some fun picks coming out from you, any undying mid laners?
You got any more of the sleeve? Have you been practicing anything in your off time?
To be honest, I like to find out some cool heroes, like strange heroes, like Undying, because you just pick this hero, you play this hero like 10 times, and you're the best Undying basically in the world.
You come in some much arts that you know you're gonna kill anyone, like be a super fat, and yeah, you just come, decay, decay, kill sometimes, and basically now I'm a Undying player.
Yeah. Awesome. So coming into this, well, here we've got loads of different teams, shuffles going on, you know, players going all over the place, left, right and centre, so out of all the new rosters, what's the roster you're most surprised by that we've seen revealed so far?
It was funny for me to hear HGD roster, because it was Sumiyo mid, like Snake King was 5.
For me it was not really what I wanted to see from Snake King, to come into this roster to dance.
For me, Snake King was like tier S player. I cannot say they are bad players, of course.
But for me, Sumiyo became like carry player, but now he went back to mid.
And basically for me, I thought Snake King would be tier S team.
This team might also be great, we can't see him just from the players, I'm not sure.
Yeah, you're surprised to see him put together something a bit more experimental.
Yeah, that's interesting.
Alright, well, that's it from me. Thank you very much for coming to talk to me, Niku, and best of luck at Blackheath9.
Yeah, thank you.
It's the perfect time for the bit. You can just read out what pulls you get there in Chinese Richard
You don't you don't speak Chinese not quite well get ready to learn Chinese buddy. I'll follow faith beyond
Let's see if there's any good hits. I'll let the people know okay
That's garbage. This is gonna be one is cute. I'm very distracting. We have two very cute ones, but the rest I
Think I think the whole of one win team is quite cute. I don't know what you're talking about
Any Chinese no, not really no the dud
Oh, I'm sorry, but you know maybe next time I appreciate it
I'll bring another boost to tomorrow and we'll see if we can incentive I should doing some good work again
So I really think it worked today. It did work. I'm motivated
What do you think motivated Navi to have a polar opposite second game to to game one?
If you're CY and you're in that booth and these guys are down on themselves probably on each other
What are you gonna do to motivate them?
You cracked the whip. No, I think ideally you tell them
that he like he knows in the moment guys this is what we need to do different just trust me like
try to just get rid of whatever emotion you have from the last game i'm gonna do a different
because i do think that he's in charge of how they draft and also like maybe some of their moves
and what they should be thinking about so hopefully he did do that or well whatever they talked about
it worked right so now in game three i think try something similar like kind of maybe try to make
it so that one win have to respond to you because as it turns out they kind of failed the test i think
in the last game. I agree with you. I think you know look we're going to see the foundational
aspects of drafting here. They're going to ban out the same heroes for Niku. We know if you give
them either of those two, the Tetsa, the Embrys, they're probably going to win. We've already seen
the Largo removed as well. Take that away from 33. Makes sense. So it's going to be interesting to see
what one win do a little bit differently. I think they've been very stable in their drafting. You
You know what you expect I think so I do like this which up especially with Navi
Bending DK which has seemed like it looked like it has been
Bzm's like one of his best heroes and it is a good answer to Lena
You just lost to it and I guess during this break they couldn't come up with a better answer other than saying alright
Let's just take it out. What's the what's the fourth?
Niku hero. Oh, no, they
Okay, they can't ban anymore. So he's gonna get he's gonna get something presumably
This is also something else I like when you play against one win, I mean it's been banned in the other games too but usually when this team is like backs against a wall or it's like you know game 3 of some series they're gonna bust out a BGM in Volker if you give them the chance so you know no fancy business just take out their stuff, take out some of their best heroes it makes sense.
I was surprised that in the last game,
one win didn't take Earthspear.
That has felt like a really good hero for BCM
next to Invoker and DK for in terms of like
just insane performances.
Like I guess they just value Darkseer.
It was like a way more busted hero.
Yeah, I mean, because the thing is,
they had a different game too.
I think it was yesterday.
They had first week and they went Marana,
they lost Earthspear, it was also available in that game.
So I mean, I think it's a rightful question
and it looks like that you know they had maybe similar talks.
Darkseer has lost both games so far.
And that win rate keeps plummeting.
And the win rate keeps going down.
Eventually it's hard to cope to keep saying
that teams just don't know what they're doing.
It is, it is hard to cope.
Meanwhile, Big Daddy Earth Spirit,
yep, the highest win rate hero
over a significant cross-section of games.
It is quite insane.
It feels like the hero gives you everything.
It doesn't really get dumpstered in lane by too much.
Like a lot of the lane dumpstering heroes are just not good.
Queen of Pain is not super strong.
Lina is out, and also,
most teams are not picking it that much, anyway.
And then you have initiation,
you have a guy who's insanely tanky.
You can build all tank items,
and still, by the way,
be the highest hero damage in the game,
because the ultimate lasts forever and does a lot of damage.
And the rock nerf on the recent patch
feels ineffective oh no oh no where is it going Andrew oh god i'm sure that's a mid on dying
and this is what he's theory crafted as i will beat the earth spirit the problem is like also
especially with them picking it here like you're kind of gonna take the response to the earth spirit
and it really did not work the other day they tried this exact match up against yandex against
Chiro Junior and I just you have to at least the other stuff has to be different because
sure you win the lane site against Urspray but he will still do everything he's going to buy a
Spirit Vessel which hard counters Undying anyway because you're like a 5 billion HP hero in no
time so uh yeah I want to see what Navi can cook it with the rest because the Undying alone
is not it. Here's the thing though it might be you know a bit of a bait and switch. It could be
a bait and switch yeah you could be the five it could be the three yes it could be the carry for
I mean, obviously you saw that it's lost in mid the one time to try it's lost in the off lane as well
It's 50% in the hard support role
Yeah, so definitely need to see like overall how they follow it up
I think there's still a lot of good heroes in the pool available anyway, like there's dark willows
I think that are still available days looked very comfortable on the willow in game two as opposed to I would say the bounty on training game one
I'm just thinking about
See why as a person is a very reasonable dude, but I know he also has a lot of faith in his players and
You think this is a play a pick
I think this might be a player pick where he just really believes that this is
This is the answer to earth spear mitt is you just dumpster him in lane and maybe like mirror his movements on the map
something like that. They've played it in another role, so perhaps there's some element of, okay,
we can pick the rest of the heroes, wait until one man reveals more, and then if we want to put
the Undying Mid, we still have the option to do that, but if we can see something better, then we
can also go for that. Is there any significantly different build? If you take it mid, is something
you do differently to a standard Undying build? I don't think so. It looks like you're from the
corals you generally just go like blink octarin it's like one of your best it's like you get to fight
with the blink and then you just kind of farm up and get more tanky with the octarin which just
seems to be the best build unless they've got something new to cook up it's just too good that
the octarin reduces the cooldown of the innate that respawns you it's like the longest cooldown
thing in the entire game so reducing that by 25% is really insane just too much value also with
If Lifesitter being banned as a core here, it makes it even more likely that the Sundying
is a core as opposed to being a support.
It's like one of the hardest core-to-core countermatchups.
But yeah, I think out of phase for Navi overall, you could be considering heroes like the Hoodring
I mentioned before, maybe like some Dazzle, Winter Wyvern, I think it's also good kind
of for, I think just both teams.
You already have tanky dudes most likely that will be in the front.
So just trying to make sure that they can stand their ground and keep fighting is always
good. Yeah, that's a solid here. I mean, for Marana Hoodwink, I feel like they exist in this
category. If they just, you need to pick a support that doesn't reveal much right now,
that does a lot, that offers good laning, good at pretty much every stage in the game,
so you just like slam out of Marana. It does mean though, I think if you have a Marana,
you probably want to draft some sort of setup stun in some other lane, which is always good.
You always want stuns, so it's not like they weren't going to do that already, but with a potential undying mid,
You know, it's it is hard to go mid with an undying and hit some sick arrow. Like that's just not happening, right?
Tombstone slow with zombies. Yeah, exactly
We can definitely see later because navi will be looking at if the undying obviously is a core
maybe you know, you want some
You want Axe as a core, or like Sven's and Tiny's again to give you some type of lockdown that obviously your heroes can play with for one win.
I think double support would just make the most sense for them.
Can't really ever go wrong, I think, with Ari Hoodwink.
Also, just like Hoodwink is just so good generically with all mids.
When you get the Shard later, more magical damage, you always have to follow up.
It's also one of Ari's absolute best heroes. Always has been, and I think it always will be.
I would personally lean more towards techies just because I feel like at least against
the two knobby heroes, Wyvern is not that great.
You set up for an arrow.
Oh, they go for Ringmaster.
Okay, cool.
Well, I feel like we've been asking for this for a couple of days now.
Very briefly on day two, and that was just, Wyvern is just so good on this hero.
It's actually insane.
like how we can push the limits on this guy.
It does make sense.
I think you have obviously the box against some arrow if it comes out.
You have percentage base damage against some Undying.
I wonder also like if you're Navi, generally this is a Sunday hero that's picked a lot,
but Shadow Demon is a pretty good counter to like Ringmaster.
It's also quite good against Earthsford.
With the shard you can always cleanse any vessel that might be on the Undying later,
also the magnetized.
Also obviously because you would also have a good support duo with like SD Murana.
But if they want to go chill, I think Willow is probably fine.
I don't know if there's any other like generic fours that days would be looking at in this lot. I
Like I like the SD a lot to be honest. I think that's a great suggestion
Super good against
The purge is good and for both the defensive and aggressive approach
And yeah, I would have a longer this heroes in the pool
One of these strongest carries on the patch
Nice win, right very nice win, right?
Back to you, Kazoo.
It's actually good.
It will depend a bit on how they go here.
I think what's at least still nice also is that we don't know fully yet where this Undying is going.
So they're just going to go with the Tusk.
So now we know that the Undying is at least locked into a core role.
We don't know exactly yet which one.
And so if you're one win, you kind of need to find a way to deal with this long drill.
do it because yeah at least for now none of these heroes deal with it too much.
I recall Navi banning Slardar all the time when they pick Longerud and I'm a big believer in
killing the bear. Viper was something that one win picked to try to kill the bear and that worked
out very nicely. Like I think trying to hunt a hero is cute and fun and all and it gets you
some net worth by killing the guy but you don't really care that much really you just need
Something that you can press a low cooldown ability that kills the bear and then when they resummon you have it up again
What about axe?
33 it's a bit difficult. I think maybe at least for like laning wise
There's other heroes at 33 kind of lights
But I think they're also not that easy to play into like some lone undying like some tides and underlords
Even though I don't think 33 is like a very big underlord player. I think there's a lot of carries here that would want like a tarot blade
Even this I would say is not really that normal for 33. He is very good at like
Summoned heroes overall and enigma is one of the best ones against loans, so I like to speak quite a lot
Yeah, this is this is definitely good it is it is very difficult to like theorycraft an offlaner that can survive against
Tusc plus Lone Druid. Yeah, but with the hoodwink and enigma. I mean at the very least
You can use your creeps to jungle and to manipulate waves and you know farm camps help your support on the side
You can kind of like not play the lane
And then there's kill threat there too if you get some levels
Yeah, this top lane is a bit of a problem. I think for now for Navi
It doesn't even matter to me if there's a task or Marana. I think it's gonna be equally as bad for them
So I need to see if they can they like need the camps to be open pull the lane back
maybe kill some Idle Ones very early on if it's possible and make some space for the loan.
So it's last pick, probably PMA for Navi, right?
Yeah, I mean the good thing for him is that he still gets to Conor pick.
The Dawnbreaker is a great ban, that would have been really good.
Super good against any hero that's ultra committal, like Earth Spirit, and then obviously against the Black Hole.
You're saving your team when they're in there and then interrupting it through BKB as well.
What else is there?
I mean, Na'Vi will get to see the 23rd pick, so they can make an informed decision based on the entire draft, and they will also see the carry matchup.
And presumably, PMA will try to counter the carry a little bit in lane.
Most of Shad's heroes, I think that he's played are pretty much banned out
I think also like even though I was maybe thinking there's a world where you would pick TB
You absolutely would have banned Darkseer, so I don't see them picking this hero. Yeah, Underlord is still in the pool too
Where's the Naga Siren been at? This guy's good at Naga. I mean Spectre's out. Yeah, there's very little left
They just whip out the Luna again
Oh, they do go for fight perk to kill the bear. Okay. Well, they did this before
And it's hard to come up with offlaners that are good against vibrates usually ranged heroes
Yeah, and it's difficult
Because back in the day you had different options like you could do like some nature's offline
Which they can because at the same time like if you now go for a counter pick on this guy in the lane
I think you're gonna lose pretty heavily on like draft integrity because their teamfight on Navi is really weird
Like you have mid and dying which means you pretty much have to pick
I think a melee offlaner here. Yeah, I think I think you just go darks here, right?
It's like playing against a viper slow you can at least search yourself how you've tusked darks here
I think that's totally fine. Maybe they can lane together and Marana can try to kill Idle on top
Windranger
Might be the Amar windranger. Is it an offline windranger? I mean it does really oh it is okay
It does really well against viper and lane and in game
Yeah, and the good thing is you also have a tusk which it does mean you can lane quite well together
Also, you have insane damage with Tag Team and Windranger laning together.
The only problem is that you will have an Offlane Windranger, which in general, it's
not that good.
You don't want that.
You do have a problem there.
But he's got a mid on dying, brother.
So the question is, do you want that as well?
They basically swapped the roles.
Yeah, I mean, these guys are up to some funky stuff.
This is cool.
I'm excited to see this.
I'm going to be honest.
I hope it doesn't go like last time with the undying, because what you say was like
like 18 minutes and it was just all over it was it was bad. This feels different. There's
a lot of potential for Shad to just relentlessly feed the wind ranger in the safe lane. Wind
versus Viper is pretty damn good, especially with the Tusk. There's a lot of kills for
it there. And then mid I mean Niku should hypothetically own an Earth spirit mid right
I know I was thinking that last time before you know the 18 minute game happened. And
Do you think they've suitably answered the lone druids?
Yeah, I think Viper's a good answer.
For sure.
It looks good.
Same with the Enigma.
I think also Midnight Pulse is actually pretty damn good in this game,
like Undying and the Bear.
I will say that I am skeptical of Navi's draft.
Just like, I think that Tri-Core is a little saucy-bussy.
It's a little weird.
If you get there later, you know, you have Moonlight Shadow,
you can pick people off, it's good.
Don't get me wrong.
But I think Earthsford has really nice lanes to rotate to,
because the way how Windranger Tusk interact,
I want to play very aggressive.
So I need Navi to put on a performance because I think they are going to get stomped
I'm gonna have to disagree with my co-panelists here and say that I believe Navi's got this they have a super based draft
They don't give a fuck anymore clearly and I think that they I think that they did it in game two
They just yoloed and it would they stopped they did amazing
So I think we're gonna have a repeat of of game two here Navi's going through for the first time ever
We'll walk you history. That's not true
but they're going through.
Well, I'll throw us over to our commentators.
We'll ask what they think about this draft.
Kezi thinks it's Susie Bussey.
Yeah, I guess we'll find out.
I mean, obviously, on the day when they did this draft
built around the mid-end line, it didn't work out.
Today, Hidd, do you see better potential
or do you still have concerns with the direction
Navi's gone for in this game three?
Pretty big concerns.
I think they've done this thing where they're looking
right now, what I see is like,
They're looking to kind of dominate two lanes, but their draft integrity has gone out the window because you look at their team fight. It's
There's nothing
It's it's it's the undying right it's gonna completely come around the undying and then look at one wins team fight
Earth spirit enigma hoodwink. It's the dream setup very popular heroes. So for me for Navi
they kind of just have to smash two lanes and
Really get the ball rolling and what we wanted to mention was from yesterday when we saw this the undying did decent
They lost their other two lanes as hard as you possibly could.
So this shouldn't be in that similar vein, but let's see what they can make afterwards.
Because they do have these like, core to core matchups, right?
A dying vs. airspirit looks good.
Windranger vs. Viper looks good.
It's just, how's that gonna look after lanes if they do not just smash the lane?
I wanna see.
Because we did up on the last game, Na'Vi were able to do pretty hot in the lanes.
Had a great start, and were able to close up quite a convincing victory in that second game.
Yeah, we did have actually both games the team that had the better laning quote-unquote team was the team that actually lost the lanes
So let's see what we do have happened this time around and I'm glad they did mention
I thought this enigma response versus the londards that we're seeing the lane sure can be a little bit annoying
But in the mid game you kill the bear midnight post is fantastic
Just having your shard as well to it the stuns with extra idol on state do kill that bear
No see that magic on the bottom as you talk about the strength the wind ranger against the viper in the lane
Is that mainly just surviving in this matchup against the Viper or do these two have the potential to punish Shad and maybe even kill him?
They have ways to kill him for sure. It's always been a historical counter pick versus the Viper, the Wind Ranger in the mid lane when Viper was being picked all the time.
So they're just looking to do this type of Amarish style that they were talking about on the panel too.
Mid, we did see Niko try to go for that kill, they're on to BZM very quickly there with the Soul Rift plus the K's.
K's. Yeah, he kept extremely well.
He did not get either of those
range creeps though, Nico able to play it a little bit better than he was standing yesterday to extra denies.
Yeah, very old start on these first couple of waves from Nico.
Now this is why he picks it in this matchup, for sure.
One of the benefits, just having that chance to really outdo the airspread on the
first few waves. So that maybe really is what that is.
They are looking for like a triple lane winning to snowball out of control in this game because the top lane too
Sure, Enigma is decent versus Lonejord as it gets more levels, but the first few levels he just kills all your Idleons
Now you see 14 last hits on the Lonejord there isn't even 14 creeps in the game in the lane at this point
He got majority of those Idleons
BGM
He's gonna be chilling as that bold timing pops that final mango so still plenty of matter to play with
Yeah, it's super hard to trade with this hero at all. He's it will get the fill up though
So it does at least get the luxury of that
He's trying to drag the wave to we see so it does look like he could he get it he got off of it
Yeah, so that's something at least
So look at it just manipulate bottom white blood
should be going down there first blood for days, can Shav get anything in return
he's about pretty deep there as he follows up with a snowball but not deep enough for
Shav to be able to turn and punish him. Nice fighter, the power between the two of them
the high physical damage versus some vulnerable heroes to that physical damage early on, Viper
only two armor, same thing for the ring. Couriers, he's got a double, well you take
that all day if you're already a lot of money going to your side absolutely
especially considering the lane itself is not going too hot up there it is
looking at triple lane win essentially up there so they're getting that so fun
RV yep shad is we can't call for when but Chad is getting something still down
bottom so we'll wait for a little bit longer but the other two lanes
absolutely as I said now it's what are they gonna turn it into afterwards so
though still early of course so
very difficult to pressure go to juice because they're lined up you look at
right it's like it's just it says as mentioned the draft integrity is going
to bid out the window because it's just it's super single target oriented very
lack of team fights just dominate lanes snowball out of control afterwards make
the moves around with the moonlight shadow to catch and keep slowing things
down and Chad isn't playing the most crazy scaling carry either right so I
They do have good teamfight in particular inside of one win, but in terms of scaling potential, we'll have to see how that goes too.
It is a counterpicked Viper with the with the Wind Ranger pick here.
I won't quite be able to get the bear there either. Got the juicer, we'll be able to safely reset that, take it back to base.
The bottom lane continued to look very good. I'm seeing also days considering where I'll see, what else he wants to do, maybe deny runes away,
prevent BZM from getting that fill up at BZM. He's struggling more than we did see yesterday.
Yeah, there's much more of a gap between the two.
Yeah, Chira was only, I think it was like seven last hits behind. This is too bad getting doubled up.
Hasn't died in the matchup, which of course would be the worst situation there.
And he will be able to start securing those range creeps every time at the level, you know,
two-took build. So he's starting to get the majority of those CS now.
Top lane, starting to change the way the matchup goes. Two versus the Lone Druid, the higher levels in those Idle Ones.
He still does get a fair few of them there, but started to get better and better for 33 as well in the matchup.
And already he did buy Blightstar in this one, something we did see how the Winx do for a long time.
Started to stray away from it. Your play versus Lone Druid, the bear has a negative one armor level one, so it's actually quite useful with Idle Ones.
Take away some of these neutrals.
And he's gonna go to the drum build
So they were smashing the lanes now it's starting to give it out
Closer and closer with each of the following waves. Yeah, well when closing those gaps
And Niku started to get put not super low HP, but relatively low in a killable position
Ready's the one first make the move out. They'll find BZM
Yeah, they bring the support rotations in ensure that Niku is gonna be set up to take him down
That caught them off guard. It was a couple seconds before I think BZM expected it because now the ruin is coming up
So I don't think he was anticipating that move to collapse so fast
Now maybe Ari
Now they're gonna hear the route up to him
He's got so some nice moves here from the supports of Navi enabling the mid and also back to enabling the top
Might go for a minute again here too with the double supports with the undying. He does have level six. Oh
He actually doesn't skill the ulti
Whatever, he has the max soul rip. They probably can just burst him without it anyway if they do get the connection.
Darko's coming in for BGM.
He's got six now too, so magnetize is threatening.
Looking a Neku.
Hard to start the play at BGM, especially when he knows that Navi have Riddies and days around.
I think that's why he didn't actually go in there, right? I think it was a temptation for a moment, but he's a kill.
The supports haven't shown yet, I can't make an aggressive move.
Could just dive top instead, maybe 33, backing off.
Seven minutes coming up.
PMA will survive, wisdom.
Govatharari.
Magnetize time.
Nice, good, eh?
Connection onto all three of them.
Still trying to see if they can finish off BZM.
They will get him.
It's a double kill for Niku.
Coming up on Garen.
Very nice opening this time, is the mid, I'm dying.
Why mum, we'll get that fair onto Niko, but Niko's still with a fair bit of HP, Eidolon's moving in though.
Malphis is there.
They got him.
Oh, so the back is just coming, that's a decent heal, but the body blocks are coming in with the Eidolon, he's trying to bottle up into Niko.
But they'll finally take him down. Very necessary, they was having a very hot start, was getting three kills, three farm in the mid.
They do finally take him down the wands.
The arcane rune almost saving him, but yeah, not putting the point in the flesh golem
So not having that big bonus extra HP just wanting to have his max to nukes
Okay top
Fair bit of damage onto juice. He should be just fine though
That was a great connection for BZM on the magnetized. Didn't get the cleanup kills, but yeah got a fair bit of them low
5-2 I made it a little bit messier for Narvi than Narvi would have hoped for
Seen the power of the idolons in this early game too
Two pack of punch, white mon. Won't be able to get himself out of there. Enabling their mid, play around that on dying.
All that really are the game. Doing everything to cancel, that'll need good to get his early game boost.
You have to. I mean, if you're playing with a mid on dying, you better be playing around him, because as you said, we've seen the zero.
Multiple times, now too many times in the coral, just fall off a cliff.
Now looking for Shad though. Can dive him.
So what sort of backup he gets?
Not gonna be anything in time to save it.
Too late there. Leitman was not able to respawn in time to be able to assist.
Doesn't have the box anyway. Did have the tonic, but he might just get dove himself though.
And Navi's considering trying to get a referendum with the support.
Soft top the bat.
Should be fine here.
I'm gonna put the drums to try and finish it off.
Blood grenade.
And they want the bad dead. They'll get it.
2 supports on Navi. I really like the way that they're playing with their movements so far here though.
Riddies, again, just like his witch doctor all over the place around the map shows in pretty much every single one of the lanes.
Getting them up to this 2k lead at the moment here.
Gonna bring Shad back up to the top here now in the respawn. Just put the pressure onto this tower, get Shad into a bit of a safer spot on the map.
Shad is not doing well.
They're starting to get that recovery and then immediately as soon as they just bring the rotation with the two supports they kill him again.
They're going through the portal.
They're sort of prepared for this, Navi, at least keeping their eyes on this movement.
So Nero's gonna miss, they have to control on today, so by some time at the snowball but will die as he comes out of it.
PMA has to run, BZM keeping the magnetized going, good connection here with the roll forward.
He's got a regen running too.
PMA's will turn with the focus fire to deter BZM from diving.
He's taken quite heavy hits here from Niku and the power shot from PMA, but not enough
to kill BZM.
They keep on diving forwards, they kill off Niku underneath the tower.
PMA also has to be incredibly cautious, drops incredibly low.
BZM doesn't have many stones remaining, and don't think he got the last refresh on that
magnetized there at the PMA will have to back away.
I mean, any sort of fight on the Undying.
Yeah, when Niku's turning up as the mid Undying and dies,
does her Navi's momentum pretty massively.
Oh, in the meantime, 233 just pushes the top tower by himself, too,
so a very good answer back as we do see from one win.
Just Teamfight heroes.
Great ways, especially with the airspirit every single time
if he gets the connection onto multiple.
Insane damage that this hero does, even if he is a little bit behind,
Which now at this point, he only is a little bit behind. Same net worth as the Windranger.
Wonder where Shad goes with the build here though.
Does he do any type of adaptation with it, or is he just gonna go some Steinered Hurricane Pikes?
I thought he might actually pivot towards some weird wacky items this game.
Since you're playing versus counters, you sometimes do build like, I don't want to say like blade mail,
but like, you know, something weird to be able to answer versus the Windranger so you don't just die.
He's at risk of dying again.
They're gonna be potentially looking for him.
Ari is here to help out, but base, he's already found Shad.
And Shad jungling pretty low.
That's gonna be very, very dead.
That's the thing right, if the Viper continues to get so much like this.
It leads to scale.
That's the thing right, look at one man's lineup.
It can very quickly become a lineup that just doesn't have a carry.
Yeah, that is kind of a concern that I'm feeling now too.
I think they need to give him just more help or stacks or something. He's gone for the 2-3-1 build
So you've got to be able to enable him somehow here
Unless you just think that your magic damage and control from the others are gonna be enough because they do have a lot right midnight
pull super effective versus undying versus long dirt as well, too, but
You don't have no carry now because the scaling from Navi sure they've got kind of the
What can be the awkwardness of the mid undying but they make up for the scaling on the side
They try because you do have this off-lane win ranger going for the maelstrom
You're gonna have two pretty hard scaling cores coming in from the side lanes that one way might struggle to match
Yeah, absolutely
big days
They'll come in for days black hole black hole and we'll catch
It's just the undying
It's not a follow-up to kill Niku off the Niku
I have to back off the mag time will bring him down learn up for why want to finish him off the fit
But a bit awkward there. They throw almost all of their ultimates. They only can catch up to one, maybe the second.
Some good hits from BZM from a distance onto PMA.
Not of stones. And not enough to keep the combo going. PMA survives.
Not as much as they wanted to get with every, like, all their ult being expended versus Navi when they're just farming on the side with the Lundrude.
Nice and noble there.
Stopping him from getting caught in the black hole. Faze able to survive through that. Still lose the mid tower.
They just have a lot of sustain coming in together from the side of Navias we're seeing.
The Ashley agint shield gets popped, the soul rips, I think once or twice coming out from Niku.
Tower inevitably does end up falling though.
And BZM, I believe now he does have something that's a pretty big damage increase from.
He does have the vessel.
So on that last fight, I mean if he has the vessel stacks, absolutely you can see another killer too coming to play.
Yeah, absolutely. I'm an Earth Spirit still.
Very much an hour spirit does this crazy kind of damage output
Please will not be easy for Navi to survive through if they do get caught in these huge combos
Which we've seen in terms of connections BGM has been finding
Ready I got five in the tree line 33 straight in there with a midnight pulse
That's like the fact that moves are coming through the twin gate. He lives he's gonna be fine
Now Navi can turn, take out R and take out 33 as Nika runs him down with the help of Daze.
That was an awkward move there, they don't even get the finish off,
shop shooter gets popped early to try to get the Sniplaster, but Riddies survives.
Navi, I mean much more comfortable I guess this time around with these movements.
She said the supports just look much better than yesterday when they played with the Undying 2.
And a nice steal, Daze.
He's hitting his element here.
Playing his Tusk, playing his Willow, looking very comfortable,
comfortable much better playing these two than the bounty hunter.
Walks and steals the wisdom.
Niku does get the blink off.
Yeah, very quickly.
He was dead for sure if that hits.
And just will Shad be able to keep up here on the Viper?
That is the question.
Stems to sort of rely on the abilities alone for the farm.
It's not going to be picking up that farming item obviously going for the hurricane pipe into the man.
right into the manter. The save ward that has killed him, I want to say like every single time
it's not gone to him again. And that hurts as well, especially when they make the play,
just as it's about to expire, so they're not going to be able to benefit from a D ward.
Dude, Deez is owning. Yeah, he actually is owning so hard on this dust. And he goes, well, this is,
you know, this is why they want to do this mid-untiming. It's these sort of openings.
This is why they immediately respond to this air spirit with it. There's who coming in with a
A fantastic pace hit.
This game looking like much, but it just,
I guess it really was.
It wasn't just the undying thing, right?
They'd lost their side lanes in that last game.
They were like, they had no lanes.
So it makes sense that this one's going to look
this much better.
5K lead down the first 15.
No Spirit Vessel stacks for BZM.
Hasn't been able to find a kill in some time.
Not even going to commit for this one.
Can't chase on for this.
They know that there's a high chance
that Niko's behind him, ready to...
So heal him up if they do dive forward.
I think BGM is probably telling them also guys I need to chill a second, I need stones.
He literally was at one stone for the last three minutes or so because he's been able,
he's been throwing them down and kicking them all the time so,
needs a moment to replenish before another fight.
How's Long Druid's farm?
Mjolnir's done, one component, so soon he's gonna get involved as well too.
They've been playing this game 4v5.
One Niko, he's got the ace, Renny's having to get out with a blink.
And that was the magnetized drop on him but before the tick of damage connected he was out of that.
Big players can shout now. Again might just get caught.
We're going for the quick dive. TP's are coming in but these two will do it each and every time.
I'll try for the punish but the snowball is up. 33's going to drop the black hole there to ensure that they can bring PMA down.
But as it is for days, he's actually able to TP out of this.
They will get the trade, but still the suffering really continuing if he's shot on the carry Viper.
He's not scaling.
Lone Druid is getting so much more.
It's not only just the farm, the levels.
Four levels on top for the Lone Druid compared to the Viper.
This is actually looking quite concerning.
Even though they have so much teamfight, it's just who's going to scale compared to a Lone Druid and a Win Ranger.
Big teamfight though.
That is what they're always going to have, so for Navi they have to be careful in terms
of how they get caught in all that teamfight.
But Shad needs space somehow.
And even then, even with that space, just with the nature of the hero, you just don't
farm that quickly, it's all shit.
Gonna try to jump off easy, yeah.
Good punch up, not at a mid-angle for the follow-up stun, but the damage alone.
He's alive!
They're gonna come in with a nice put of a save, doesn't matter.
The power shots sent from PMA, they burst through him.
Niku's able to walk the damage off.
He'll survive.
There's this...
It's important.
I mean, this win range is becoming quite an issue as well.
You know, the setup that they came in with that bottom lane,
the win range at Tusk, it has done a lot of damage.
And what?
Just breaking down anything the woman wanted to try and pull together from the landing stage onwards.
Why, Monus?
It's feeling awkward for him to take it.
33, he stepped up, trying to grab the creep way from the tower.
He's going down.
There's Natsun.
There you are.
Truly snowballing.
Yeah, and one win is crumbling, and we're very little signs of how their draft can provide them a sort of a way back into this game.
It's all just teamfight. It's going to have to be for some crazy connections if they can get it all together, but the damage at some point it's going to be missing without Chad having any farm.
And RV, they needed to dominate the lanes with this lineup, and they absolutely have.
And their white mod overall is looking quite uncomfortable on the ringmaster too, I will say. I know it's one of his better heroes, but hasn't played it in some time.
Yeah, we haven't seen it, but this was the first game that it's been touched in terms of picks or bans this tournament.
It can be a tough hero sometimes to just execute when you're just getting run down in the aggressions coming toward you.
Sure, you have potential for saves, but he hasn't even skilled the escape deck to escape.
He hasn't been able to find opportunities to get near Shad.
Getting forced all over the place from the just really nice moves from Daze.
Speaking of Daze, I feel like he knows exactly where 33 is right now.
I guess a plus one they can go for this 33k.
You can't stand on him like that.
You're showing some bitter chill.
The innate.
33 is going to notice that minus attack on him since that.
Alright, I'll jump back.
It's the safety of the tier 2.
It's going to work on the BKB.
How big can the Black holes be this game?
Can these sort of switch things up or is there just not that...
The team fighter says, there, but when you're kind of getting close to 10k behind as a team, is it just unlikely to be enough?
It's hard to hit them all too, because it's just going to be a bear coming from one angle, a windranger from another, an undying blinking in, and they do have saves.
They have snowball, they have undying, they do have ways to at least protect each other.
Mario, the mark there with set up on today's...
You still have the sharp shooter and PZM coming in with the follow-up silence combo allows them to finish the job.
See if they can turn it into more. He's got three vessel stacks. They want to try to transition this into more kills. Break the lineup of Navi.
Does this bear now? He's gonna get involved. It's now a 5v5.
Yeah, I mean, the games is finished. Yeah, he's had incredible timings here. Got the juice on his line, drew it.
Yeah, 600 plus GPM.
Niku, octurine, soon on the horizon too. I'd love this he went for this blue soul ring build.
In between, saved him a couple times, we did see.
And now the BKB also picked up for the Wind Ranger.
All the core items are already pretty much online for the side of Navi at 20 minutes.
It's still a lot of time needed for the Viper.
Yeah, just a hero that doesn't like to play in this position ever.
He used so many items.
That's why I thought he was going to do something wacky.
You know, that's why I really thought he'd do some strange...
I don't even know what I'm recommending.
Like Blade Mail, Power Bird or something stupid.
Like, I don't know.
But yeah, he has to try to scale his core.
the corner. It's just it's not looking like he's going to get that opportunity without
nobby's been playing and that's been 4v5. Look I keep mentioning you know the lungeard
he's going to start being a pretty big thorn in their side too on the side of one win.
And that's going to be a rough run because that was what one of the reasons why they do go for
like this fight. You carry route for that sort of element of just controlling and slowly bringing
down the bear but when the lungeard is this far ahead in terms of farm. The bear will eat you.
Yeah, you're going to take too long to bring that bad down.
Yep, because if you look at their draft historically, Viper, Nigma, these heroes have been always good versus Lowentruid on paper, but not when you're this far behind.
The bear will just turn to kill Shad, even if he tries to ult it or whatever.
Copy.
Fully hitting their stride, looking for more opportunities to kill.
They can turn this into a rush if they fight even one kill.
32's trying to go for the bear, but I think he might regret this.
He's been baited.
And he's been charged.
That's rush time.
Immediately for Navi.
Especially with 33 dead, not a chance really that one win will try and do anything about this.
I don't even think Navi ball has to do that. I think they can do the rush.
There's like 3 heroes and then they can still gank on others.
Other ladies in this position still going up.
I'm quite down with Trin as well outside of the pit to play with.
Now, the game is turning to the dream for them with the snowball.
We got Aegis in the hands of PMI.
I have struggled to really tackle them.
That's all this game, I'm only just getting them the ones earlier on.
There's no one else to give it to.
Undying instantly respawns, launchers are getting in the fights outside.
Yeah, you've kind of got three here.
Even if you kill them, you're not really killing them.
Now with that Aegis in the hands of PM8.
Very impressive from Navi.
This time he should be able to kill the bear.
It's the fear of it.
He's in Mrs. The Slow.
They might get mated now.
They're not going to finish the bear.
The bear's ready to turn onto them.
BZM!
Try and roll away.
But he's going to die for this.
They don't get the bear.
And that was also the magnetite for us and no avail.
And it's gonna get healed back up to full 2. Alright, yeah, it's gotta be some 5-man black hole from 33 to bring this one back.
Yeah, it's got the BKB, so maybe. But as you say, in terms of the positioning of navies here, they're just not likely to be on top of one another in these team fights.
No. Windranger will be split. Linger will be split. Undying, if you can just do a catch and he'll come back. Same thing for the windranger at this point too.
Not giving any space, though. Destroying at them here at this point, Niku. What can happen to Tyst?
This is another ult drop this.
Oh man, I'm not really gonna do too much.
They bring Niku down relatively low.
33 does get a pretty hot black hole here
down on the 3rd.
They're looking down the bad plus Niku and Reddy's
and that will do the job.
But he's back, as I said.
The octurne, he's got the innate too,
so it's gonna be back up even faster.
Niku's gonna come right back into the fray.
But you take what you can get.
There's no way you don't black hole there.
No, it's something.
Yeah, not something that Navi's gonna be too shaken up by no not really changing the
status of the game at the moment
Yeah, just had just had no games. He has no game
Just about oh it's all
But there
You'll be alright in 33
Maybe seeing if these two have the damage to threaten the bear can you get the yule's off
Get another connection here with the daggers and another one this spells
They really want that bed that and another hit he's not missing these ones why month he's got it
I was taking quite a while and quite a chase
They'll get the bear and I also managed to get riddies on top of it as ready
He's tried to head over to help the bear out that was the second bear
So got the distance 50 seconds without it. So pretty good chase forwarded
That's why they were so relentless in chasing forwarded there as well
What else can they turn this into?
They want to try to find as much as possible
Any small windows that they can get is everything for them right now
But now you know there's not a really they're not really looking for a fight
Niko even drops tombstone around the ancients around the enemy ancient side since there was a stack
He's farming with tomb during this downtime
And one man just looking for the objectives that they can get safely they've got the pressure
onto the tier one bottom.
Yeah, just got a little something here.
He can be done for BZM.
It's getting easier and easier for them to piece together the team fight.
It's just the scaling, right?
You see a lot of heroes on a similar area and then bam, there's that lone druid.
Now he's about to have so, he's gonna have sober eyes pretty soon too, and then you know, Viper might just actually die before he can do anything.
If the Lone Druid wasn't so far ahead, that's where I'd be like, okay, this actually looks okay for 1W, but the fact that he is that big and it's a Viper on the enemy side is really what's making it look so hard for the later stages.
As yet, just really no way to catch up with his farm on an individual level. No.
He's got it dirty.
He kills and fights, and they slow it down into punch, BZM.
Nice, he's got the setup.
Insane amount of control.
Probably some of the longest duration stuns you'll ever see in this game.
You have shot and shot, punch, snowball, arrow.
Great coordination coming in from them.
More damage onto bottom tower.
Might actually be able to finish off a tier two of this move.
Can they go for dive onto Niku?
Hey, just might.
33 is going to be tempted.
it. Oh, Ari. Didn't quite get the clean eight-core shot and
pushback combo. So they'll bail on this one. They will still get
the tower over the ire launch. Except they're going to try for
PMA here. He's got ages still for 20 seconds. Not going to be
able to get him even the one spot that looks a bit. No. They
don't know where everybody else is. I don't think they wanted to
push forward. White Mon has to be very careful with his
positioning at all times here. I mean, they do have the black
Do they do you want to see them go for a smoke here off the back of the ages expiring on Navi and try and get a catch on to PMA?
It's hard to say honest. It's quite difficult to say. It's really upset you ask Shad like how you want to play the game
They might just smoke
Because I don't think they want to just sit back. Yeah, I think yeah
You want to try and do something right when you've got the team fight ready to drop with the magnetized the black hole
See if you catch Navi by surprise. You just might I mean days is here in the front. He's got a gem as well, too
That's already out of the blink.
I'm just getting instant connection and now Navi's likely going to send somethings up.
Niku has also just picked up his BKB.
The bear aside, the bear just completely destroys Ari.
As one win did look towards the bear for a moment, but the bear did not care.
They got a run.
Hey, you see, he might still get an angle on this with the shards.
Shag. Not quite.
This bear is still going to look to hunt though.
though. If anybody does show past the river, they will be at risk. They tried to smoke to
find something, but again, yeah, just very difficult for them to find that opportunity.
And now they'll wait for the agonims for the enigma to get that bit extra. Maybe the agonims
hold, right? If they can land these ag's holds, right, that's percent damage versus
these tanky heroes, right? Trying to bring things together, how they can do it without
of real Gary as the game gets later and later. It's got to just be all the pressure on the
enigma though. I mean it really is. But I feel like that's something that Navi surely
got to be realizing there like guys it's gonna be okay just as long as we don't get more
than kind of one maybe two people caught in the black hole at the same time and if they're
gonna be fine. And if they just kind of just chill get to the later stuff like they will
absolutely outscale. And they already are. They get the catcher again onto PCM he is
He's dead!
Days, days, days.
Yeah, this Tusk, absolutely everywhere.
5, 3 and 16.
Yeah, I don't want to see him play down here anymore.
He looks so good!
I was going to say, it's quite the comparison.
Getting to see his Willow and his Tusk here in Game 2 and Game 3.
Yeah.
Deward.
I'm trying to set up, but he's got plenty of stuff.
Back up behind him.
They'll get the D-word, whole team there, comfortably behind.
That's its show for Navier. I would just say like they don't like you said, don't force anything.
They don't have to rush anything. They can wait, wait for that next Aegis, and they can always play
versus this Black Hole effect essentially with these multiple lives that we were talking about
before, right? Londred isn't going to be on the fight. He's going to have multiple bears.
They give the win range of the Aegis, and then I'm dying if he gets cautious respawns.
So it's always going to be a really good answer versus these very long duration cooldowns.
That's the BKB done. Yeah, I forgot the juice. Even less likely now that this bear is ever
really going to die. Yeah, he's actually getting more and more separation of him between him
and the carries. The Viper now to a 9, almost 10,000 ahead. Almost two full items, maybe
even a third full item soon at this point.
All of one went having to hug each other in this area.
What can they do?
Chad trying to find space to find this MKB, so he has some type of damage, but there's no space in the map for him.
They're all having to hug it.
He's here, go man, I got you a stack. It's a nice triple stack around the medium camp for your MKB.
Navi, it's not caring at all about whatever little farm that one wins finding. They know that they're just finding that much more.
And scaling that much more as well. Not the juice with the bear down bottom. You can even just shove the waves.
Might even be able to get the split push if one win ever it goes for any type of play
They're looking for BGM. This time BGM does have a bit of backup if not he jumped it. Wait on
It's gonna try and run but very likely be left by the rest of the team
Consider trying to turn everybody BGM rolls on board, but Waimon is gone
Viper's try counts the bear BGM having a BKV and rubber PMA's in on top of him with the focus fires
So BSM still dies. They should die to the magnetized damage, but the damage has been done here.
It's one with a plus two. The Black Hole comes out, will catch the bear and the untied.
There's a buyback here from Wyman to try and capitalize on this.
Tombstone buying some safety here for Niko, but he's able to get out.
He's getting the heal up at the Solred. He's backing off. They can't quite finish him.
And Shat's taking a hell of a lot of damage. PMA just turns and takes out Shat over the help of Niko.
They tried to make something happen around that black hole, but it's just not enough.
Nabi coming out on top again.
They can't even kill the 3rds once. They would have come back.
Of course with the Seuss' 3rds, the bear actually gets outside of the black hole too.
Nothing going their way. A buyback from Whitemon. They went all in for this fight and they got almost nothing.
It's just crazy amount of damage being done as well by the swim ranger PMA able to take
them down one by one.
Actually seems like the perfect pick when they did see that Viper.
It's looking very good.
It's what's good in the past versus the Viper and continuing to be that way.
Absolutely.
And we know this is something that Shad does like to do right.
He is a carry Viper player but and they knew it and they were prepared as soon as that
came out.
This answer for it and it's look brilliant and they just look clean this game
It's very little mistakes that they've really done right it's 11 to 31 haven't hemorrhaged any of these kills
They kept the snowball going the entirety of this game and now just yes
It's been smooth sailing for some time especially after that last fight
It has nearly got the MKB so maybe some sort of potential around the high ground defense
That's not going to be easy and again as we...
Here are so many times to...
Yeah, then as we say, no navi there, not in a rush to head up to the high ground.
Oh, did that punch just get redirected?
I think it did.
I love when that interaction happens.
The bear meanwhile will solo kill 33.
Yep, they knew exactly where he was going to be farming down on that bottom side of
the map.
Right, the punch did get redirected if I'm not wrong.
I think it must have done, yeah.
I look like it with the animation.
when that happens. It's a very confusing one but it makes sense because it is a
fun terrain you do have to redirect from the Wistwood Traveler whatever it's
called. Mistwood Wafer. Leigh continues to grow.
The Bears on the hump for BZM. For everybody. BZM's in trouble. The Bears found it.
It's looking pretty impossible this one. Yeah very painful. An absolute turn around
this series after what we saw in game one. Now Navi stepping up in game two and
And then in this game three, Stompin won even more than what was quite impressive showing
in that second game.
Just full snowball.
Yeah, and showing that the middle dying can work.
This is, and it's refreshing to see indeed after we did see it suffer in terms of sort
of like the strategy around it, at least yesterday, massively.
This time round, Navi absolutely getting to show why they want to open with the Sun Dying
as a response to the Earth Spirit and that they know exactly how to play to its advantages.
Thank you, Sam, Matt. Much better draft than they did in general from yesterday, right?
Sure that maybe we've lost some of that, like, integrity, whatever you want to call it, overall this draft compared to what yesterday's was.
They actually got to play the game. Yeah, the lane, the lane's crushed it.
Yeah, yesterday, Life Stealer had 2 CS, a minute, 3 or whatever it was, so...
And we're gonna close it out.
Looking to the final 2-2 top.
See, did one man want to try and go for a defence outside the base, we're just going to be waiting for them to come up to the high ground.
High ground, I imagine at least.
33 ideally would try and find that level 18, get the level 3 black hole.
They need every little bit they can here for the defence.
With the way they've been playing, it's hard to sort of imagine Navi letting any sort of
black hole opportunity arise for 33.
Here's Yamaket.
With the BKB off this time, they're still on top of him with a focus fire damage from
PMA.
They're managed to get back to the high ground but not for long.
Teyza's in with the jump, they catch BZM, kill him up through the BKB.
They'll send the bear in.
As Shad's trying to fight back with the bear,
we'll get on top of him and look up at least the pushback
to hold the bear back.
Shad trying to slide away with the hurricane pike.
He'll live for now.
Shad not for long days, gets in with another punch.
Still not enough to fully control Shad though.
Shad should be able to reset in the fountain.
They're all healthy.
And even if 33 wants to try for a black wall,
they still have ages to have multiple lives.
37,000 lead, we have to hit that 1k per minute.
Incredible stuff here for Navi after what has been a rough game one in a rough series
yesterday.
They have striped back very hard and he's not going to be able to make any sort of last
digit play with a black hole.
Shad's caught out.
Moments away likely from when we're tapping out of this one.
It's Na'Vi onto the final set of racks and there it is!
Gigi is called!
Na'Vi taking this series 2 to 1, an absolute turnaround ending in one of the most, you know,
kind of one-sided games we've had, a little longer than some of the quicker ones, but
the duration of this 37 minutes and the goal lead that they built up, this just looked impossible
for one man to turn around at any point in this game.
Great three lanes, looked good, supports moved around the undying, enabled them as much as possible
possible. Any ideas? Alright, for me, he really owned this game. Absolutely. Steps it up after
that rough game one. Two to one here. Na'Vi against one win. Yes, the result that looked impossible
after that game one, but they just decided, you know, let's go back to the drawing board.
Let's draft some things we're comfortable with. It might not necessarily make sense on paper,
but the good news is the game isn't played on paper. It's played on a server.
That's damn right and I don't know the duality of this team is
It's just kind of phenomenal to look at because one day I watch him and I'm like what the f am I looking at like I kind of hate them
And then here I'm looking at it's like I just get fully surprised because I didn't really believe in this
You know, I saw what they showed me yesterday. I had no faith Jenkins
But they believe and that's what matters. Yeah, they they have to believe in each other and
We talked about this during the first series
We have two similar series in this way where you have a team that is now showing resilience,
right? And that is very important for winning a tournament, because when you get into playoffs,
it's not going to get any easier. And you're going to have some of the best teams. You're
going to have teams that are, you know, started good and are still good or teams that have like
upgraded until that point. So within a series, they're going to need to like get their shit
together probably multiple times again, just like this, if they want to win the tournament. And
And considering the teams that are at this one, they can actually win the whole thing.
So this is a really big deal for these guys to show that they're able to do this and make
it the playoffs by doing it.
I mean, I absolutely agree with Vogged as well.
I mean, what a difference a day's makes.
Just absolutely sick this game.
No, he absolutely owned.
Like I think overall just what they were managing to do, like with nice rotations early on,
you know, they had good lanes, which wasn't anything too surprising, but they go mid,
they kill BGM.
bottom over and over to kill Shad, definitely big credit to Navi but at the same time too,
wonder when finding themselves like four or five times in a row where Shad dies seemingly
all alone with no backup, I don't know where Ari is, I don't know where Weipman was,
definitely looked very uncomfortable on the ringmaster missing a couple of ults on like stun
targets but if you're Navi, I mean you're gonna take those, you know if you get some free win,
if you have easy moves all around, take those, go next. Yeah absolutely, I mean you know probably
hasn't played the hero in a while white mon usually like you say gives a better
accounting of himself on that hero but ultimately it's all academic i mean tusk
is just such a good hero especially if you know how to push that hero as hard as it
as you can and days just had a masterful game even if the stats don't tell the full story
but he had to because his other teammates are simply not do shit heroes he has an undying mid
He's not going to do anything unless he really dumps through the lane, which to be fair, he did,
but you're not starting anything on him dying. You have a loanjured safe lane.
That hero's not going to go in and do stuff. He needs a few items. You have a wind ranger off lane.
She's not going to do stuff unless you completely dumps through the lane, which to be fair, they did.
But even still, the guy that's going to make first contact, the guy that's got to set up the ganks,
the guy that's got to be there to support these heroes if they're going to do anything,
is days and he was there every single time. I feel like every time we were seeing like, oh no,
one wins getting totally devastated in this fight. It was days on top of a hero with the
icy hands ability that can remember what it's called. And then like the Laundry, or the Windranger,
right? He was always there. He was always on top giving that buff, saving the snowball stuff like
that. Yeah, I just think that it's good to see this team be able to kind of bring it back because
because yesterday they got turbo stomped.
Game 1 also in this series, it was not that pretty.
So just to have this overall reset to then bring it back
and not just play better, but play way better
to also stomp 1W twice in a row, it's really good for them.
Yeah, and obviously we can talk a little bit about one win.
I mean, hampered a little bit by the fact
it's never great to use the stand-in.
I also don't want to be disrespectful to anybody,
but I mean, the difference between pure and chat
is quite punctuated.
I mean, even if we weren't talking about skill,
if we were just talking about hero pools, you know,
and what you're able to do in the draft,
and unfortunately there, I just don't think,
it didn't feel in that draft when they were left with,
we've got to pick something to kill the bear.
What is there, Viper?
It kind of didn't really feel comfortable.
They tried to make him comfortable,
which I guess they tried,
but then also the gameplay around him also didn't match.
Yeah, this one was not like entirely his fault.
Just Viper from behind looks like this.
Yeah, it's bad.
It's tough.
Well, we can be joined now.
We've got Niku, I believe, in picture-in-picture.
He's backstage.
Niku, thanks a lot for joining us.
And congratulations on making a playoffs at Vlajir.
A good feeling.
How have you rated your own performance so far day-to-day?
You've had some highs and you've had some lows.
I'm so happy that we've ended the playoffs
because I see it gets out a second time
in the last eight of last years that we went to pro.
So overall, we're playing good,
but the teams are kind of not also ready,
like for the tournament, like there's some stand-ins,
like not like super good teams,
but overall we're showing like that we're able to win teams.
Definitely.
And also I want to ask a little bit about,
you know, we call it resilience,
which is when you're having a tough time, like you did yesterday,
you know, you lose very quickly to Zero,
you go down a game in this series as well, things are looking bleak,
but you are able to bounce back and that's tough for young guys like yourself a lot of the time,
you know, you're still getting your experience and learning the craft and learning about pressure.
Is this something you guys have been talking about in the team?
After the first game, we felt kind of destroyed, so we tried to, like, forgot this game and, like, go next
because, like, we got, like, destroyed in both ways, like, on two sides, and it became, like, hard to play.
And then we, like, go to the side for the next game, and, like, next game was kind of chill.
Like, after the second game, I felt a bit tired, so I was super happy that they kicked their spirit
because I picked on Bank and Bank is a super easy hero, no need to use Brian, and it's super chill to play.
Yeah, KJ calls that the low dopamine gaming. Sometimes you need to do that. Are you boys got any questions?
Yeah, Nico, first congrats for making it to the playoffs, and then secondly, you guys got kind of turbo stormed yesterday by Yandex.
I wanted to know what you took from those games and how you felt right after.
If you look at our first game against VanVen, you can see that we picked some combo, like the other NPA, which destroyed us in Yandex game.
So it was like the most point from Yandex, that we got super strong queen, like an reignable queen.
And we tried to just steal it and try with our boys.
And I also think that they're just the best team in this tournament, that's why we also get destroyed.
Yeah, that makes sense then, my last question would be, do you think the Windranger, would you guys have picked the Tusk Windranger duel often today if you didn't get Viper by Amar yesterday?
Or do you think you would have done it anyway?
I think Yura is kind of watching like a model pool of the heroes, and you can also enjoy to play some like a fine sword, a fine monkey or a king, or a fine ranger, for example, if they pick Viper.
We knew they can pick Viper, and we prepared our ranger like a fine against this.
That sounds good. I hope you guys never lose your flair, because I love watching you guys play. Sometimes I hate watching you guys play, but you guys are fun, so keep it up.
Thank you.
Hello, Niku.
Once again, congratulations.
I wanted to ask, is there any teammate that you have that if they're getting like gigafarmed,
you know that you won the game?
Like if one guy is having a really good game, you're like, this is easy.
It's in the bag.
Of course.
I can be a 5k natus, but if my good is just having 50k natus, you're also in the game.
Awesome.
I wanted to ask about the undying a little bit.
I'm curious.
I've always looked at your rank.
I'm always looking at the top 10 of the leaderboards, you're always in there, maybe not after the reset, I don't know, but I'm wondering, do you pick the undying mid in the pubs, or are you sticking to more of the traditional mid dominators for pubs?
I mean, Undying is mid dominator here, I like to just counter like some Juts, like some Juts like 200 rank or like 1k rank, picking some hero on the open in pub, it seems like he can play Dota, but I just pick some undying and I'm fine, so I can play.
My question I was going to ask you, we saw one win actually ban out some of your signature heroes, the Kez, the Ember, how do you feel about that, you know, like being targeted in drafts and do you have anything up your sleeve for a little bit later in the tournament?
I think we reached that high of 2 that we can kind of switch heroes, like for example
in the ban case we have some heroes also for ourselves, because Kess is also like some
team playing Kess as well, but they're just banned because of the character, because of
the use case.
I've said it on broadcast, I thought your Kess, at the time you were playing it, all
the carries were playing it wrong compared to you.
You had it right.
I agree with that, I agree.
absolutely true. You were the guy that nailed Kes first. So hopefully we see it in the tournament.
But for now, I'll let you go get some rest. Congratulations looking forward to talking
about Navi in a playoffs for a change. Great stuff. Thank you, Royce. No worries. What a wonderful
chap. And yeah, obviously he's talking a little bit there about, you know, the kind of pressure
of being that targeted player in the draft. You're the playmaker, you're the mid guy,
You've got to have extra strings to your bow
I mean he made it believe for me with you and dying and you heard him there
He seems to like it. Just bust it out feeling sleepy. I mean the good thing is when you're 17 years old
You don't give a fuck you just play whatever you think is I love that dude even at the interview
He just you ask him a question. He'll just tell you he's like yeah
We kind of felt like shit and then I just wanted to play something easy next
Fair enough, dude. I'm really shows what we know as well. We're going you see more resilient this time
Well, no, after that game, I was tired.
We were destroyed. I'm tired.
It's awesome stuff.
Anyway, any quick final thoughts before break?
No, just unexpected games for me today, I would say.
You know, that it went this way in both of these games and three games each.
Just happy to see the other games.
Yeah, as usual, unexpected. Let's get more of that in the playoffs.
Absolutely. Great hanging out with you.
For now, a break. We're going to be out.
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I mean, I think it's like not as complicated to be honest, so it's like in the middle somewhere.
I see.
I mean, it can't be that hard to just buy the word and press it on the ground, you know?
Yeah.
I mean, just put it on lanes.
Yeah, I mean, there are some like high IQ words for sure,
but the general concept of wording is not that hard.
But if you want to be on the very top,
of course, there's like difference between support players.
Yeah, you can make tricky words.
Yeah.
It's actually the same.
I mean, I don't know. For carries, you only get a couple of bans on you when it's kind of obvious when you're gonna pick, so...
For me, I feel like it depends on meta. Sometimes people would ban five of my heroes, sometimes zero, so I put like three.
I mean, most of the time it's not that much anyway.
Yeah, I mean, I know usually when we play against you guys, we actually fought about your heroes a lot.
So I would actually think for you, it should be higher.
I mean, it might be.
But yeah, I mean, it's for sure, depending on the meta.
I mean, I see subs overpowers right now, and they do much damage, and they have so high HP, it's hard to kill them, so...
Yes, uppers are kind of broken with me.
I thank you that you do too much damage, you know, like I prefer it when like subs would die to like one head
Those were good times
Yeah, I mean I think most of the times when tournament starts like a lot of the teams come with some heroes
Big like prepared and they don't usually go out of the comfort zone
but there's always like a couple of heroes from pubs that you just see like
Like, for example, Bounty Hunter last year, I kind of just became broken in the middle of the tournament.
Yeah, I mean, I agree. I feel like a lot of heroes, people just haven't discovered it yet.
And I see some grim stroke, meat, you know, and it feels strong in pubs,
but people don't play it competitive, so...
Two is such a low number.
Yeah, I mean for me it's not that interesting to prepare like drafts and stuff.
I mean it could be interesting sometimes but I wouldn't say it's as interesting as playing.
I agree with that. Playing is for sure more fun.
To be honest when I was younger I kind of liked it more to just like teary-craft about picks and stuff.
But maybe like Dora kind of just evolved that way that it's like more depends how you play and click buttons on the beat.
That's why I also, I just kind of changed.
I wanted to put zero, but I was like, no.
I don't know, for me, I'm going to be either a lawyer or a programmer, like an IT guy,
but it was kind of like my parents' dream, not mine.
I wanted to be like a Dota player, so I don't know what I would actually do.
Yeah, for me, I'm not sure.
I always like these games, so I never even thought about what I would do instead.
Maybe I would try a different game, but I would still try to throw it some game.
Yeah, I would say you see the way to something, yeah, yeah.
The pro Dota path kind of deprived the world of Skeeter the Lawyer,
Skeeter the Programmer.
They're interesting to hear from Skeeter Aurora, that Skeeter actually.
And we're going to dive into Aurora because they are the team that is featured next.
They're going up against LGD for the series.
You'll have me, I'm your host, Sivir, and I'm joined by Tegov and LaCoste.
LaCoste, before we dive into Aurora.
That's not LaCoste.
Where have you been sticking your thumb?
In some weird places.
I can give you a thumbs up, but it doesn't look the best.
It's not broken, as Richard said.
It just hurts, you know.
But it's not broken, right?
It's not broken.
No, no, no.
I hope not, like the doctor said it's not.
the not Skeeter-type doctor, but the real doctor.
Fair, fair. For now, they said no.
We'll see how it progresses.
Happy that you're doing good,
and happy that you're here to join us for Aurora LGD,
because these two teams, they have a little bit to prove here.
They're 2-1-1, which, of course, means that if you win here,
that you're onto the playoffs, but both teams,
I would say LaCrosse had high expectations placed on them.
Absolutely, considering the teams that are here at Valakia,
you know, a lot of people would just say,
They're going to sweep through the tournament.
People have been saying the same thing for Aurora, for LGD as well,
even though this is a bit of a newer stack as well.
We still don't know if this is a confirmed lineup or not,
for a lot of teams as well, but definitely high expectations
considering how good Aurora has been playing in the previous season as well.
So definitely aiming to reach their standard top three, but not win the tournament.
They want to breach into that area where they can actually win the tournament.
and then so far I got to say that they look pretty good.
Yeah, they got to prove that they are a tier one team
that's here to stay.
They are still playing with the stand-in in Stoikov,
but overall being here two on one,
definitely on the right side of the teams.
On the other side, we have LGD,
who is playing with their full roster,
but they is not just a roster shuffle,
it's just basically a roster building.
Yeah, it's still bewildering.
I every time I have stuff out GD. I still can't even fathom that these guys even come together
But they have mixed it's such a weird mix, but I think every year we always want the stuff roster
So I'm always gonna act on the same thing. I am excited by this roster things are turbulent for them
There's some drafts that don't seem to be too good. There's some play that seems to be maybe not all clicking
But again, they are a brand new stack of all these new players that it feels inevitable
that they can actually truly master the individual players strengths. They are destined to be a playoff team in tournaments they attend.
And we'll see if they can do it in this one.
We'll see. And there's of course an elephant in the room here, Tegov.
Because for the first time in a very long time, sneaking versus skater.
This is a major grudge match, Tegov. Okay, these two players ever since 2020.
They do. No, it really is. Like, look at the stats, guys.
Back in 2020, 2019, these are the only servers that they've played against each other.
against each other. And since
2020 snaking, he was the one to
have the better lead against
going to having two series wins
on business associates against
that of team crazy. Also really
weird that we've got a Chinese
August South American org,
Eastern European org and any
orgs here. They've had quite a
weird career back in the day,
but statistically both players
against each other have three
series wins against their
partner and a single draw. So
this series determines who is
after six plus years. Because after that they joined Tundra and it's been five years that
these two have been on this team. Exactly. Six years, five years. I assume it's going
to be pretty like Mimi in the game as well. I assume there's going to be some tipping,
maybe a little bit of an all chat happening between two of them.
Lane's moves of course, just so you get to play.
And it just feels, I think like this type of friendship is going to be nice, the same
thing that Amar has been talking about with the Maureen because they also did split up.
But in regards to the roster though, when you think about X Falcons, I think snaking has the hardest job of all the X Falcons players at the moment.
He started new.
He started brand new.
You know, like Amar, he just skips his way into Yandex, already like a top two, top three team, and he's the type of player to elevate into winning.
You know, Skidder, he's jumped into a team that is unable to win tournaments, but maybe he's the piece of the puzzle to solve the problem, you know.
We see maybe a piece of the puzzle is a certain bear.
Yeah, that's right because these two players, these two carry players have not been too familiar with the Laundruid skater.
You don't really think of him as a Laundruid player. He played 11 matches in his professional career, sitting at 64% win rate.
Didn't drop a game so far at Valakia. Same goes for Wittz, who also played only four matches.
But yeah, I think the hero got the extra bit of a priority compared to previous DI because other heroes have been
Pretty OP at the time these shadow fiends these lean as that we have seen from the safe lane
Compared to now where long dude has not been touched. That's why we are seeing higher contest rate and also higher win rates
Yeah, the main thing there is that both of the players had picked up the hero recently and they're locking in the wins
They're kind of they're very late for the party. Yes
But at least they're showing they can do it and if they do go to the party they did and they were just social enough
Yeah, they were they were the plus one they were not invited to the still a bear party at the time
But like you'd hope there's maybe more heroes because you know even in the content
He's skitter talking about the hero pool that you can find more heroes
He doesn't have that wider here before the moment with Aurora
But I saw like with this new team, maybe he gets to open up his creativity at some point compared to his previous
five years of Blinken's done
Well, we are in the draft and that long drew has been removed from the pool and we have the first pick went to the timbersaw on the side of LGD with the answer for the wind ranger coming out from Aurora and we are close to starting the second phase of picks.
Anything out in the ordinary here.
Yeah, this Timbersaw for LGD straight up first phase that picked it immediately.
This is the Vy's most played hero. This is how he kind of came into the scene as well.
He has like, if you look at his top three most played heroes, it's Timbersaw with 140 matches,
Darkseer with only 70 matches, same goes for Mars, and this one has a pretty high win rate, 65%.
If you remember the qualifiers that he did play with the Nigma Galaxy, he kind of carried them.
that game five, I believe he was the one who actually got them to the eye.
No, for sure. I think the thing with LGD right now is the visor player.
He's so polarizing because of his play style.
He either takes over the early game and you play through him or he's a type
of like offlane of that. If he's not got a lead, he's a bit more.
Okay. He's just there.
He's just like a dude.
And I think at least in the yesterday's series against extreme, his darks
and his doom, we never saw him take over the game.
We never saw his, you know, the center that was unkillable, the timber.
That's, you know, also doing the same thing.
So I'd like to think, even his enigma, so I'd like to think that LGD just identified we need to give the Viahero that he can at least reliably create 50 minutes of chaos, because that's why we've added him to this roster.
Yep, I think yesterday we talked a lot about LGD when they were having a rough series against Extreme Gaming about that we were not impressed with their drafts coming out, and it's good to see them coming out of the gates with the hero that we know they're comfortable on.
It will be devised first in Brasov performance this Vlachia, but it does show that they have something specific plant
Which gives me good hope for them
Well, their first draft of the entire tournament
It is the first time that we are seeing devised pick be in that first slot
Yeah, every other draft has always been you know C3 here or C4 here is kind of guy
But I think this is the recipe for a successful device just throw him into the mix and make him just be the center of attention
Allow wits and zoom out to shine
Yeah, and here we go. Kayori, one more time. He is bringing out his own classics, whether this is going to be Phoenix, Shadow Demon, this time around, it seems like they are still believing in Jakiro, even at TI, this is the team that was one of the few ones who also thought Jakiro still in a very, very good spot.
It's still a lane dominator. I mean jikiro has been one of the most picked heroes for like a full year in every single tournament
He was always one of the most contested ones got deserved nurse
You probably don't feel the same way about it being a position 5 player T
But yeah as an off laner, it's been too long that this has been such an oppressive laner
His damage went from like OP to now good. Yeah, and the problem of competitive players, right?
If they don't believe it's OP, they don't naturally want to go for it, and I think with Yukiro, it's good.
It's good.
What?
Yeah, this hero is good. It's just not like train protector, like a radius.
Yeah, you don't have to like close your eyes and the plane wins itself, but you actually have to think a little bit.
That also means that he's not going to get banned as often as he did.
He is also the hero that is the most picked hero in all of Wallachia.
And so that is a, you know, a stat that he likes to keep up with.
Getting picked here and there, just being a good hero, all rounder.
Oh, all of Wallachias.
all the flak yet.
I kind of missed the all part. I was like, wow, one gate. That's crazy.
I'm tripping. All of them.
But okay, so LGD at least when you look at this opening now, it's the Enchantress
and it keeps going back to that divide point we made. And I'll repeat it another time. It's like,
you want to play through divide. That is his number one reason you ever want him on your team.
If you don't do that, there's literally no point having him on the roster because that is his best
style. So you have Ent, you have Willow, the Ent will take the Twin Gate, you'll try and take the
the tower like you are just really full sending that the off lane is your kind of
key piece of your drop right now so maybe a roar can find some carries to shut
that down and start kind of thrusting lgd this is good this is the second time I
believe that they are playing next assassin one time they used it on Mira
as a response to this ember spirit that we are seeing pretty much contested
every single game to be the setup and this also reveals that Windranger most
likely is just going to be a carry, very oppressive lane against the Timbersaw, quite a lot of
damage, magic damage between him and Jakiro. And also having next assassin, Darkseer combination,
even though I do prefer Spiritbreaker overall, this is very good against Dark Willow to get
out of the trouble, get the stun run into Bramble, stop the TP potentially from coming out, and
they're very good against Timbersaw throughout the whole game. And the Darkseer win rate's low, but
I still would respect the hero. I don't think it's like a first phase ban type hero, but later
run the draft like when you have these like little combinations, that's when it will thrive.
The other teams have been lacking the combinations, maybe why the win rakes looking a little bit
lackluster, but you know as Lacoste mentioned everything right Aurora has is like just strong
side lanes, like whatever your mid pick is, you now have the privilege of going mid lane, pick
whatever you want to counter the opponent's mid, because we don't need your help. We have
Nixbots, that's a free farm, we have Junkiri Winner, it will free farm. You are playing into
an earththroat who is one of the better mids that playing into counter matchups because you
have the kit to secure the range creep, you can run around pull wave, just gank the side
lanes if you want to, but I kind of respect the fact that Aurora has just enabled Stoiko
to pretty much do whatever he wants as a stand-in.
Yeah, Stoiko has been having a great tournament.
He's in like top three when it comes down to least deaths.
He had earlier today the highest KDA, very active as a player.
Also something to have in mind, this is Darkseer into Enchantress.
A lot of times you would see it the other way around because it is very annoying for you to play having a
Dispel especially at the early levels where you can actually grab the kill and this tiny band makes quite a lot of sense
Because this is the hero that can sustain himself in the lane. It's it's a stun
It's also a hero that when you make the wall illusion out of tiny
You're really not getting the benefit out of it
But also the engine the dark side counter is that it's good for like the first wave or two
Yes, so when Darkseid double shells the creeps, it's like, okay, now you have to take the creep
You play deep behind the lane anyway, so I just have to follow you and also the two sidecamps
Which is the big evolution of the matchup you play so far away from mention doesn't matter
But yes on paper and into Darkseid and when Ranger in the early game. Yeah, he could just pop off
Yeah, Darkseid is kind of in his own world ever since the previous ti are in couples tournaments prior to ti where people were like
You know what? It's a carry meta
We can't really lanes of people were trying to again try to creep skip go to jungle straight away
pick up some of the XP early on and then just let that position for maybe soak up
some of the XP then come back because the hero brings so much to the table and
this time around you have this Nix assassin who can relatively easily
utilize that go through the Twin Gate maybe try to backstab the enemy offlaner
which is not gonna be having that great of a time anyway as we already said
concerning what he's playing into. One concern there for Aurora is that where is
the damage when Windranger doesn't get a kill inside her BGB ultimate. Because with Timbersaw
you can chain away, Willow you can roam, Ench naturally, it's like you're killing the Ench
with your focus file. I think you've won the fight anyway on LGD. Earthspirits can roll.
I am a little worried for Aurora that outside of their lanes they kind of do need that extra
of a little bit of lockdown way to facilitate like we are going to kill you.
So a little bit more pressure on Stokov as that is probably going to be his hero that
has to fill that gap.
No, yeah, for sure. And they have targeted him really nicely with the bands on LGD.
He's played only four heroes in the tournament so far, the Ember, the Lina, the Invoker and the Storm.
I don't think... I mean, honestly, Storm could be okay for Aurora. It's quite simple. Just jump in,
give that catch. There's not really any major lockdown, but three of the four
heroes he's played in the tournament have been banned by LGD.
What do you want to play into the Dark Steer and Mixed Assassin lane if you're Wits?
What's your pool has been pretty small as well along to it has been banned early on and it's going to be case
I don't associate the widths with being a case player. He's he's a pretty good case player
I know that just because he carried me in a pub. Okay, I was like my god, which you are
Why have you not played this way more times competitively like the way that he just late? I
It was he was so good
It got to the point where I could like I could literally AFK and he's probably like we could all AFK and he probably win the game
like he was insane. Well it will be the first time in Malachi. Yeah. But you know,
pop to competitive, very very decent. Yeah. What is Skrokov gonna play? I still, I still like the
storm honestly. Yep, there it is. Very generic, nothing like too crazy. I feel like other than
maybe opening, other than maybe this next assassin. Within the win rate. Are we seeing, is this correct?
0% win rate on Storm Spirit confirmed correct. I actually wanted them to lose hence why I predicted it
I should know I don't have any bias in this series
But Stoikov he's going to change the win rate
Exception to the rule and yeah, unfortunately that statement only means he has to win cuz you know I
Gotta say I like LGD draft
I think the vibe might not have the easiest time but with some males rotations
This is easily fixable and this is going to be snaking on Enchantress, one of his most played heroes as well.
He can do so much on the map.
Storespirit, like he can suffer against Enchantress with these early rotations pre-level 6. It can get pretty difficult.
100% I think just the early setup that LG has, it should be beautiful in practice.
The supports, how they flow through the map, the cores all don't really need anything major.
It's going to be like a mage flare on the cares, vessel or something like that, or Kai on the Earth's belly.
It's just go go go and that alone all right storm needs to farm wind needs to farm mouse can be Gibi
Darkson needs to farm helm of Dom inter shevers or a pipe storm wants to farm like a chai or a witch pain
It's like there's a lot more items needed in Aurora or LDD. It's like one item in levels
You're free to do anything you want
I'm just thinking once they group up with three with three in the mid lane and next assassin
His impact is like this is probably one of the worst if not the worst position for unless you're random a hero
With the impact that he does have he's basically one stun and that's about it
Maybe if he has iron shell that's gonna be an extra damage
But he also needs to be close to dark shear when this happens so that he can TP rotate
I just want this game to be minimum 50 minutes because it's like LGD has this ability like to take over the game
But like late game like dark seer nicks and storm the big jump like the the punishment you can apply to LGD's lineup
It is it is kind of cool
So I just hope it has like the full back and forth that the drafts can present
Well, the way you guys are talking about these drafts, it does seem like Aurora got quite a hill to climb to get to 15 minutes because maybe LGD will just run away with it before that.
We're going to find out how this game one plays itself out though, though it depicts one fogged.
Thank you, Steve. Yes. I mean, it's a storm spirit that's just not been winning. 0% win rate fogged. Are we going to see that change here in this game?
does look like an uphill battle.
I'm just wondering what the thing about this hero, right?
It ends up being that there's something wrong with the damage, right?
There's something wrong that I've been feeling where
every time Storm goes in, he doesn't finish off a target,
the target lives.
It's always just lacking that little bit extra.
And when I am looking at LGD's heroes,
these are not easy heroes to kill.
Enchantress gets the heal off.
Willow gets into the realm.
Kez has Parry in a silence.
Yeah.
Aerospirid has silence and a stun.
Timber neatly takes you.
So for Stoikov definitely some difficulties overall though Aurora. It's a nice wombo combo draft that they've gone for it
This is like a throwback to when I used to play I feel like I say this every time I say darks due to Kiro
But that's kind of what the draft is about is landing a big combo. I would say LGD
Definitely having a bit of an edge in this one
Well in terms of draft certainly feels like it's
For numerous reasons and you know one of the big ones being that we just it feels like ages really since we've seen a storm
you know, you know, it's
like you're going to have to
play a game. You're going to
have to play a game to form.
Kind of carry a game that you
know the end of a kind of a
decent KDA, but as you say, the
impact never really fills it
matches the KDA in terms of
just how much you as an
individual here are actually
contributing. I'm hoping to see
different. Maybe it's going to
be the next factor. This is
what I'm trying to put into it
right because any next
scouting things out, and then
that's the opportunity when
Storm can look for those so well
solo jumps right because he's
Like on something on enchantress then it will be an easier kill than what it would have probably been without it
So maybe the next will be the x-factor and it's one mirrors
What the heroes he's been playing a lot more for some reason we're just seeing k yori and mira playing their own
It's style compared to what everybody else is jikiro nix everyone else is going with it the maranas
The willows etc. So see if it does work for them. What do you make about the carry match of this game?
We're getting more widths on his cares and on the other side of the map sketer on the safe lane win ranger
I like the cast lately. I don't know this hero has been looking super hot. Windrangers also have been looking quite good
I do have to say but can run into some of these issues where you're very single target oriented and cats is just hitting everybody
And made slayer this game I always the first thing I look at when I look at a cast game is how good of a made slayer game
Is it it's an amazing made slayer game? Oh, absolutely right the only one doing damage outside of the magical rounds
Really is the windranger
Yeah, it makes a really big difference how good it is in the early game because you would do so much of the damage that maybe they
Think they're gonna get that extra kill and maybe that storm thinks he's gonna get that extra set up
But just a production of his damage
It's a big problem
Could be could be a difficult one for a roar, but I'm ready to see some sort of surprises
Yeah, no man talk about the top line obviously you start about the combo and this dogs
It would be sitting a lot. What do you sort of make of dogs here right now and how the teams are bothering it?
It actually looks a good amount weaker than I anticipated it to.
It does happen sometimes when it is this like first pick hero, but yeah, it has been looking
to have more and more answers and just, yeah, it's been looking a little grim.
Perhaps people aren't just setting up to have a good Darkseer game either because I think
there's like three or four times I've seen now, it's a Darkseer pick and then a Techies
comes out and he gets owned the whole game, the lane he can't play, there's no iron
shields, there's no surge, so I think people are just getting better at answering it because
it's in every single pub.
Sure at the high-level pubs. Yeah, I'm sure 90% of the game
Is that freak before I came here? It was like that
It was darks here and then under Lord got nerfed. So there's even more darks here
Timber I thought was gonna be the other one that was gonna get played a ton
And we are seeing that and we didn't get to talk about divide. This is probably his best hero, right at least for me
This is axe and how's it looking as a timber game? Is this a game where he could become unkillable?
It's I would say the early game looks a little rough for him
it's a ton of magic damage and burst so a little bit difficult but I mean as soon as he gets to the
point where he has that one item right does feel like he can't probably survive in the fight to
the main slayer applied on the people from his kez. Lane at the moment both offlaner struggling.
Yeah that was a slow time so far. Both carries getting a very even amount out of their safe lanes
And in the mid just a little bit of an edge here so far for some mail in his air spirit pretty much
That's it's that even he has the two creeps under the time. Yeah, you're right
So all in all pretty pretty even across all three lanes. Yeah, that's how much each core is getting
respective to its
It's over half
I think if divide makes it without dying once or like the once or twice in this first 15 minutes
He probably he can't get to a point where he doesn't die unless it's just a full focus fire, right?
It does look like it can get a pretty dangerous timber game in terms of damage because they
don't have that much burst in the later half of the game.
Sure, it's a lot of damage over time, kind of big game, combo potential, but they're
going to be looking to try and get as much use out of it as they can Aurora.
No lane breaking just yet, everyone just playing it, honest.
2v2's in a 1v1. Sumail is happy.
We'll see anyone swing across for the full minute.
Walter in to try and help the mids.
You just match the movements.
If you see the intro.
You can't just move, you move as an X, right?
I think that's just gotta be the case,
because you are playing as a storm,
so you are at risk of getting rotated,
so you have to be ready for the move.
If LGD's gonna make a move onto your storm,
you better react on Aurora.
Yeah, they're definitely gonna want to try
and see if they find the opportunity
to do something before he's six.
We do have already some focus towards the mid top, something next TPing out.
So they did see the rotation, the ward mid does spot the Olacor, but the rune is going
to get taken and denied away from Stoikova.
And now he's jungle too, sometimes it's going to be the issue versus a lot of these four
players is you don't want to go into the jungle this early, they're going to be annoying and
stalking you, but you want to hit your six so you're not at risk of getting ganked.
to die. Damage building up. Should be alright. Skeeter's not gonna have enough. I mean there's
another power shot but I'm gonna try and take the chance for it. It's got the healing south
too. Backpacks everything to buy. Should be back up to full HP. Kaori also has a full south
so we'll be able to stay healthy. If you're Mira looking to get aggressive with the shells.
damage on two wits. They might hurry up to the
island shell and bring them down. They'll find the kill. First blood here for the two of them.
Nicely done. Mira's just sticking up here the whole time, splitting the levels. She's got the
level three, so they've got that stun connection and snake. Can't actually stop it. No enchant
available to dispel. No creep with him too. Perfect timing to go for that kill.
And they actually do have kill threat, right? On the side of Amora, in the Seaflame,
Or in the off-flame, they do have killed their, the Caswell on the other side.
Skeeter should ever die.
Yeah, you know, killing the swim ranger.
Not to these two. If there's a third rotation, sure, perhaps, but to these two it's...
Unless you make some really big mess up.
He should not die, obviously.
He could just...
He could just bodyblocks people into their second ramble.
I say that as he does literally get caught by everything, but...
He's gonna be alright, but, uh, certainly take you more damage than he would have hoped for in that position.
He stepped up without the creep wave, too.
He actually was at the tower, can't double ramble.
He's gonna go back to base and reset.
That was dangerous there from him. Big misstep.
Because that's a lane that shouldn't post that onto you.
That's kind of painful.
Yeah.
That's to tip you back, slowly make his way back out to the lane.
Power rune.
Slot club will not get it, get silenced.
And the slow, good control from Simone, not enough though.
Doesn't quite have enough sort of lock down to punish him.
I'm still feeling rather happy with the mid lane situation.
It's very close on the CS.
Gets the rune, so Sumel will be the winner out of all that.
Imagine you didn't skill magnetizing,
you had a second point in silence.
Small little things like that.
We've seen players do it, but yeah.
That's true.
There's some kind of a video on the point.
It's a little too risky.
You want to have that magnetized, of course.
Paula's coming in.
And yeah, just excited to see what Stokov can show us
with the storm, this hero that has struggled massively
to win a game here at Valakia.
Because the opening, he's getting what he would have hoped for, right?
He hasn't been caught up by any ganks pre-level six.
He's getting just as much CS as Samael is from this mid lane,
with the fact that he's been able to back up, clean up a jungle camp here and there.
So this is the start you'd imagine he's happy to play with, right?
So let's see what he can do beyond this.
What the hero can do, right?
Because we have felt just damage problems with the hero,
and then just, yeah, doesn't really get to that scaling like he used to.
Because it used to be like, oh, a team has like, let's say, Storm Inspector, the late
game is secured, right?
It's in the back.
It just has not felt like that really.
So.
And as you say, just LGD's lineup after a certain point, and quite a relatively early
on point, a lot of their heroes aren't going to really care if the storm is zipping on
top of them.
No, they're tanky, and they're elusive.
They have ways to play around it.
So definitely going to have to see how it all comes together and who's going to be the
the one to carry that torch in the mid game.
For the side of Aurora.
But good team fight is the one thing
that they're always gonna have.
That's what Darkseer's always gonna provide for you
is even if you are behind, if you get a big VAC combo.
Not the best illusion heroes in particular, sure,
but it's just about the stun combo, right?
You get the vacuum, you get the wall,
you get a stun, then you get a nice path follow up
and can just win you a fight if it's perfectly done.
And they've got some pretty good AOE follow up
and even down the line,
if Stryker wants to consider a relatively early acts in the build could be something else to follow.
Is that just too redundant?
It's too much.
Because he just has to have the scaling game.
Yeah.
If we see an acts, it's why a 70 minute game and he's getting a seven vibe or something.
Something along that lines.
Yeah.
Because it's too much of the same thing if they do all that.
Doesn't want to have that little extra gain for himself.
Is this a game where as a storm you're going to have to buy a defensive item early?
I feel like it is.
I see he has the trench queued up.
I thought there could be the arguments for the greaves.
I've seen a lot of players do grieves whenever they're playing versus an enemy spirit
Sure
That they go through the grief so they have the cheap dispell because otherwise you have to rely on allies or
Because are you going yours BKB? What are you doing?
That's the question right eventually you won't need a BKB because there's silences in this game and the roots
But we'll see how much you never really want to rush it on a storm
So you know what to see what the itemization is gonna look like
We have a reason
raise it
I don't think we do. Nothing's been typed, so hopefully everything gets sorted pretty quickly.
I'm happy to see these types of drafts though, because we're seeing a lot of, at least some
newer heroes, right? Not the most new ones, but seeing at least some variety. The Nyx,
the Jikiro, some of these heroes, there are some of these players with their hero specialist
kind of combos. We are seeing those coming into play.
I mean, what do you sort of see Nyx out for yourself? Is this a hero you're surprised to
to see some of these teams picking up?
It's a weird one to put the finger on
because when you think about it on paper in the meta,
what are the good mid laners?
It's the spirits.
Sure, so this historically has been good
for spirits always.
It's just his laning is so bad, Owen.
Right, the reason this hero came back for some time
is because he could mind flare neutrals.
Now he can't, so getting levels tends to be
a bit of a problem and what you can provide in lane
is difficult, but if you have darks here,
that might fix the problems with the next assassin.
On the side lane, it's just that,
that bottom lane still where Devai is a little bit behind.
When you look at net worth, actually, if you want, the Skeeter's not doing it.
He's right there at the same with Devai.
It's a 20 gold difference between the two of them there,
because he got forced to TP back to base there.
That's true, yeah, that did take some time across to that.
back away from the wave I really didn't think that he was even going to get any
of that extra it just he stepped up to the tower and got caught by double
bramble and it wasn't any suggest that he was getting either it was just an
extra poker to went to the timber I don't know would you say either of these
lineups is more contempt with the game going late when you sort of see kind of
this carry case on one side and I'm trying to go there's just the case yes
Kez over all here. I mean just this hero is I don't know this hero just gets
bonkers you can't predict when range is damaged it's predictable I feel like you
know you know that he's coming in it's one target they can't change target
exactly Kez just at some point you just die right and then there's magnetized
spreading on you to a tanky Tim yeah I just it does look quite scary if Aurora
gets too far behind in the early game so I definitely want to see them looking
to set that tempo play around the darkseer's timings a lot because he's
They still want having a very good game at the moment. WS, Dominator, soon coming out.
And overall, their lineup, it's... they don't have the best information heroes. They have the Nyx, of course, right for the storm to get the ganks,
and they have Darkseer to shove waves for the storm spirit, but that's about it to get information.
Stacks starting to be formed, the Willow, Theo is starting to prep that for Divy.
So Divy, in a pretty okay spot as his timbersaw and he's gonna get enabled very quickly once
those stacks get cleared up.
Shows back up, instant damage back onto him.
in terms of lane rotations though.
It's seven minutes in, we've barely really seen many moves.
Theo tried once or twice.
Looking to just stick with the lanes at the moment.
Yeah, Samel's gonna start to try and find maybe a way
to get something done with the first magnetized.
Doesn't wanna lose out on the power rune, though, Bob.
Yeah, he's gonna hope for some sort of good spawn
on the power rune, and if it is something nice,
might look to try and hit hard on the side lanes.
Seeing the double support rotation
coming in a little bit faster looks like snaking should be able to secure the top
one if it does spawn and Sumel he gets a really good one. This could be what
allows him to get some action going that way for LGD. Stoykov like this move he
knows that Theo's gonna be stacking for the temper saw so at least comes in it
takes away a bit of them of course can't contest the ancients but slowing down
some of that extra farm that's going to come in. Oh, we're sneaking. This is a very strong
creep he's been able to find here. It doesn't sound like it on paper, right? But versus
Darkseer, that Dispel, he can get rid of the Surge, Ion Shells, could look for a kill here.
Yeah, they're going to try and bait something. Wait, drawing their attention. Mera, we'll
get the stun onto it. We'll get the setup on some ward for Darkseer WS. He's going to
Try and run. We'll get the surge off.
Leave Mira to die.
So WS surviving, only losing the support next there to...
Skeeter? He gets caught.
They do the catch before he's able to get back through the twin gate.
Oh, dangerous move for him.
Ooh, wanted to get involved, but indeed that play costs him big time
trying to swing across to the top side of the map and ends up dead.
It's a very Skeeter rotation that we've used to talk about a lot with that 7-minute goal.
This one's a little bit later and the air spirit is already there.
there. That's a free kill on the Windranger and as we said we don't want to see her momentum
really slow down in this game. That's painful. Yeah that's right because if that didn't happen
they would have put me quite okay with that. Bottom. Good control on to Define with the ice bar.
They got him. It isn't off. They have enough stuns there to keep him locked down. Take him out.
Definitely look to enable Stoikov if you did just lose your Windranger snipe.
does have to dispell with the Enchant.
He's going to drop the ball, WS, but will not be able to stand his ground at all against the damage of this Kez.
Even though he's doing so well on the farm, this is a very good counter versus the Darkseer as we've seen now.
Kez multiple times, looks like one of the better answers versus that DS in Enchantress.
Historically always has been with the Enchant.
We've seen that coming to play multiple times here.
That coming towards the mid.
I'm going to catch Stoikov.
He does not want to die in this game too much.
might have got sort of baited to go aggressive up to the high ground there
but feel the cause ready with the cram balls but the numbers they can maybe
even try and dive in for more some out rolling forward and have the connection
onto Kory they will lose to Vi again.
Surreal not going empty-handed here all right might be able to chase and he's got a kick
they've got the slows see look at the drag back with the back Jim the stun
shaka won't latch you'll drive for the silence but the right clicks will kill him
Alright, well, Stoikov overextends and then...
And how's the Mellon's behind it's here once, so...
As well as Devai, gets too far forward.
Stoikov back in action, look at the wits!
Might have it!
He's got the drag back with the 4 techs, wits out with the emphasis, but he sees him, Stoikov!
Bringing the dust!
He's prepared!
That's a solo kill.
Beautifully done.
Things starting to pick up a bit now from both sides.
I saw it got definitely I would want to see him get that momentum
I don't want to see the storm spirit playing from behind at all
Showing up to that fight very nice little early move with him with the dust
So what I want to do about the stop playing Stoikov that's a pretty tough target to go for unless you got macro fire
Which you don't for the tipis are coming in
Thinking about going for snaking. He's a bit as a tough target to try for the dude
Kesson on a winch, winch, getting burst as soon as he turns up for the defense.
Caught off guard by the Knicks.
Stoikov, might still be able to set up for another, looks support the other court.
Right into the shadow round for now, but Mira surrounds him, lands the stun.
Oh, Mira's owning.
And setting up for Stoikov to get quite a few kills out of these plays,
they'll be able to finish off the tier one tower top without as well Aurora.
Back to back, that's for the Kess, comes back to the lane, doesn't have a sentry.
Just gets set up on him.
Smell, catch mirror on the way out.
Taking that tower nice and early.
Getting those galvanized stacks too for Stoikov,
as we said, want to see him getting momentum.
Five stacks for him now.
Of course, he's gonna have to watch out for the silence.
He doesn't have that much mana in the mid lane actually,
so Mael's diving him.
Ah, Stoikov.
He's gonna roll away, but that magnetize is gonna stay going on him.
Oh, he showed up with like,
Ah, 250 mana for the midlaner.
So Mael's gonna be fine, he's got a shield rune if it's even necessary, and it won't be...
Rolls off it, pop it anyway, just in case anyone was here to interrupt him, bottle up the refuel with the Bouncy.
A little bit sloppy there. Gets some great kills top and then loses the galvanized checks immediately,
because he gets greedy, TPing to mid with low HP, low mana.
Gonna try for the chase into WS, but did get the chance to surge away far enough away from potential counter play for the snaking.
All the back and forth that we do have, even though he says Stoikov getting momentum, those deaths, they do hurt a lot.
Yeah, they have much more on a storm as opposed to if Sumail ends up dying.
Yeah, and it's much easier to kill a storm if he makes an oopsie than killing an air spirit.
If he makes an oopsie because air spirit has 2000 HP, storm has 1000.
Even though he can zip around a lot easier, they do have the catch and the control.
Even with those kills they did get taking wits down on the top play and he's still
still fine. A little bit ahead of that of Skeeter's farm on the wind ranger on the other
side. That's still a good amount. Not a thousand. It's already got the mage slayer done. If
you can get that hit off this time, the Echo Slash next time they dive him they probably
not have enough to ease and kill him. It is such a good mage slayer game. Pretty much
Everybody's damaged just the windrangers as you said right a little bit of extra physical that they have Mira in a position to look
To maybe steal the wisdom here
Imagine they'll do their best to not let him get away with this goes for it again power shot. It's not enough
Who's a 3 HP?
It was very very low whatever it was when he couldn't quite see the burst. Oh, that was a little unlucky there
Would have probably died anyway right afterwards, but would have at least gotten away with the kill there
I think it was a 3, 2, 4 HP something very low.
LGD responding accordingly.
How much pressure do they want to put on this bottom side? It has to be with Sumail.
Yeah, Sumail's coming in from the angle.
So Thor is not going to have anywhere to run, Sumail.
Here, I'm ready to continue the chase.
Very good.
Easier it looks like for LGD to just make these moves. It feels like for Aurora to set up these ganks.
Yeah, it's gotta be three heroes, or they need to land the Ion Shell with the nicks, with the star, with the venta...
Looks a lot harder for them to make those plays individually.
2K lead now for the side of LGD.
Blin, Dagotan is gonna be very important for Mira.
Yeah, give him Ion Shells, let him just farm some of these extra waves, get the extra last hits so he can't get to that point.
Let's key that.
So Mel's getting a lot of fielding damage in mid
Nobody's reacting either
He's spam pinning it. He's a guy's let's take out this mid tower
Snae is very close to the area
So probably will be able to finish it with him in a second here
I'm him and the other call that they want to try and find someone to kill they might get a charge for stoi kov
They see him
Was just outside of the reach of their vision so stoi kov will be fine
mirror
I'll be able to land the stun but won't be able to get around the brambles
It looked like he, and that Bramble worked very well.
That kind of coin, but the other thing that's got to be to do with Brown the stairs right with the hook.
Yeah, I guess so.
Because you step between them instead of them, but...
I thought he juiced it.
I think sort of the vertical axis of the game there, got it.
Snake, they'll get him with all the magic damage this time around, getting that galvanized stack.
Excuse me, I'm trying to find the focus fire.
Little hard for us to max chain, how far do they want to chase forward?
Ah, Stoikov's a bit too low on matter.
I think DeVy, he could keep walking this one off.
Yeah, and he's too tanky. Even if you do chase him forward now, the tower's there.
You don't know where the airspirits don't want to go too far.
And we do see Stoikov. He is going to go to BKB early.
So we'll see how far he falls off because of it.
Because you're going to BKB so you can survive, but your damage is not really going to be there at this point then.
Top's about another catch for him.
Just showing how much easier it really is to make these places a mid-earth spirit as opposed to a storm spirit right now in this meta.
Yeah, he's like, I am the best spirit and you are one of the worst.
I can just quickly make these moves. Doesn't even pop the Arcane Rune. He can go for the BKB.
Very good BKB game actually for the side of LGD when you look at it.
So he said majority magic damage on the side of Aurora early.
If they do want to slot those in at a relatively early time.
Witz, the Deso is done and now that I actually look at things, Aurora's draft is very fragile.
Just get up. Does find an opportunity to take down his old teammate there.
No tip? No.
Was expecting it.
Alright, Deso done. Yeah, very low HP, very low armor heroes, right? Darkseer, sure. A bit tanky, but everybody else incredibly fragile when Witz does decide to turn up.
It does feel like if Aurora are able to take this game, it's just going to be in a fashion
that we're just not really seeing from teams at the moment.
No, it has to be probably in these next 15, like 10-ish minutes or so where they have
to re-stabilize the game.
Otherwise, I'm not seeing the scaling in comparison.
I have to get some big fights together to get a lead, in fact.
They're trying to set the mirror up.
It's a good opening to start the playoff though.
Coming up like three months.
The three of them will take down Thealic or Amdify and Sumail.
That's the combo they're looking for.
They're giving fantastic info and they were very quick to pounce.
Perfect timing.
We're just saying, right, like, get a big fight.
That's what they want in order to get that momentum going.
Darks, you're now top net worth.
Storm gets an extra couple of galvanizes and pretty much has the BKB now after that.
Now all about landing those combos.
That's where their lineup excels.
They're hitting all of them there. Even saving the shackle toward the end. They layered that
beautifully, Mira. Getting the info, Stoikov follows up. And what's the shackle waiting, right?
Comes in towards the end, and then they've got it right afterwards too, so great change done.
Yeah, very cleanly done by Aurora, but certainly feels like they want to kind of keep pushing
or use this kind of combo every single time it's up and ready, and do not want to sit back too much.
Gotting themselves a little extra comfort though, because now Stoikov does have EKV,
So won't just die in the first silence or first stun
And skater has gotten to the point of his mule near now too, so
Perfect timing for them to do that. Yeah, his farm is really gonna speed up now
So I'll have a good chance of catching up to the farm of wits is Kes and perhaps for the side of LGD after that hit
They're gonna feel a little pressured themselves and be like alright
Maybe we just sit back we farm our BKBs because the BKBs are gonna counter the combo
So it does look like Sumail is getting closer toward it same thing for Dubai and wits. Yeah, so triple BKB
They're going to go for it.
So Aurora, yeah, I think at the moment it's go time.
Yeah, try and find this combo again.
Show you're not going to have all the ultimates, but obviously something that they can still do without that.
They don't need all the abilities to land it because they do have quite a lot of different options in terms of the combo.
Look at Mira again.
De-opening.
And they should have it, it's a lot of magical, the device not ready to deal with quite yet.
Kaori's damage, pretty absurd. This counterpick of the jikiro vs the timbre looks pretty solid.
He did 1,300 damage as a jikiro there.
Maybe some magic resistance as well at some point on the timbre, but you don't see it bought anymore.
Could be an option, but he'll still just rush that BKB.
Good momentum here for Aurora.
Power rune, not the best one, Snape will deny it away anyway.
He's not gobbled looking for more.
And Kaori too, at the meantime, after getting that kill bottom,
he's now liquid-fired at the bottom tower I think five times, and it's down to 800 HP.
So that hit was very nice for them.
Might be able to set up for snaking too.
They've got the break hit.
Stoikov's gonna be around as well ready to open up that extra bit of damage if
he's needed. Snake King, and he knows that his time is sort of up there.
Miro really wants to get the hit off with the vendetta first before using the
stun, and there it is! Another one here for Stoikov. Gets the charge to galvanize
as well. Now Miro, he is making the difference here. He's got the five
deaths, he's the one finding the catch for the team to get him to this point.
So the few combos that we've seen them execute smoothly have been down to him getting them the infight
Okay, so for LGD she said
BKB's and then fight is what they're gonna look for and they're about to have that triple BKB. So Aurora
Found a couple kills before it the divide kill on the snake and kill after they identified that those BKB's for what they're looking for
We'll be able to hang on to his BKB and now further set up and further even
protection to Vermeerah actually has a Yule Scepter this can be very nice
removing the silences off himself setting up for some other extra plays
they're gonna look for the smoke it is into the BKBs though so LGD if they do
get these BKBs off are very likely to survive in the fight
I want to push for more, Mira and WS already seeing if they can scout out an additional
opportunity up here beyond the tier 2 area.
Might be able to go for Roche with this kill, it's only a small one but they kill it pretty
fast with Windranger.
Imagine how to do a one or two contest, they do have this BKB on Divy, they've got to
get over here immediately.
They've got the triple BKBs.
They have their timing for the fight.
And they just don't have one of their main team fight
controllers.
And the Roaches die.
They're going to make the move a bit quicker than this.
And it's already gone.
Stoicov gets the Aegis.
They weren't able to strike in time there.
Or did he somehow still get a little bit of control
on a Stoicov for not enough to stop it from popping the haste
and running away.
The Bial committed with the BKBs.
On top of WSBWS, Kiska Ward down won't be able to run though.
Whirling Deathburst comes through, takes WSL.
The triple BKB is just so strong for the fight, they don't care if they get the Roche, they're looking for the battle mirror.
We found, so taking a few casualties there after they attempted to get back safely from the Roche, but Stoik gave a stroke, of course getting out with the Aegis attack, but still three kills to be found by LGD.
And that's so stacked I think Witt's finally gets his first one after a bit of a quiet last seven minutes.
Did they all pop the BKB? I think they did, right? Just triple BKB pop, run in, roll in, and just win the fight handedly.
Can turn it into a Tormentor as well too. It was a good movement from Aurora to get the rush. Pretty much perfect timing for them too, but you're seeing, right, the battle from LGD.
They have to try on the side of Aurora to either catch them before BKBs get popped, or kind of force a BKB, reset, and smoke and find catch when they're on cooldown, because these BKBs are going to answer.
Stoikov, well, that's not much. Easy one there, finds a beautiful angle straight over to Snake King.
I can't believe that just happened. He was just sitting that low. I guess he was still from the storm.
That's definitely looking like a hopeful showing so far from Stoikov on the storm.
Yeah. A hero that just has not been impressing.
He's looking the best that we've seen so far on it.
Yeah.
So if this isn't enough to do it, then, you know, questions have really got to be
asked about the hero. How long cooldown on these BKBs devises already back up? If they
can chain stun it though. Which Mira, Vendetta, is at the ready. On the open end, Vortex into
the ice bath for the last time for Mirro to get the hit in. And they do it. Nice and done.
Again. Don't let them get the BKBs off.
This tower is probably going to fall too, the liquid fire coming into play, slowing the attack speed, they still got creeps.
Definitely have a game on our hands.
Absolutely, Aurora coming in with some nice mid-game plays.
It feels very close here in the numbers, you know it's just a 1k lead at the moment for LGD, they have slowed down some of the growth that was coming out.
the BKBs are there but Timber now dying again starting to really get slowed down.
I mean Witz is going to have some pretty insane damage coming out of the team fight
going for the MKB next. He is going to be the biggest problem for them that's for sure. So if
they don't I mean yeah we talked about so this team fight combo it won't even feel bad if they do
just drop the majority of it on the case you know just eliminating this incredible amount of damage
that Witz is going to be able to kick out in a large AOE. My priority number one it's just hard for
them to execute in that similar fashion and catching him like the Timber is, because he's
playing much more careful.
So yeah, a lot of eyes on Mira.
How much he can do.
Catch the stun up to Mal.
Skate on the AKB.
Asked to BKB.
Mira's going to be in a play around them a bit more with the self-hills and Somal has
to go for the TP out with the rest of the BKB.
That's mean he won't have it for the fight though.
The team is swinging over.
They get Stoykov.
So he just was not too long from going away anyway, so I don't think we could too bother
They still want to try and fight. Stoikov with another big sip. Cleans up Theolikov.
Defy. Big turn back over to Warchd Stoikov. They put the vortex into the shackle.
No, Defy is in trouble. They get the pullback to try and save him.
But he's gone. He didn't pop the BKB when he went in.
They might be ready to dive for more under the tier 2. They'll get to slow on a second again.
Another great ice path lined up here for Kaori. Three dead.
On LGD as Aurora. Continue to outplay them.
Nice! Again, just playing really well around Stoikov. Got the A-Charges again, holding onto his BKB even though he dies with the Aegis.
That's fine, as you said, as we have to get reclaimed. And DeVy, not respecting the damage and stuns. Doesn't pop the BKB, goes in.
It didn't look like Wits wanted to join that fight either, too, so DeVy, a misread of the scenario.
Yeah, we're still sort of yet to see a situation a team fight where Witz is sort of happy to full commit
Mm-hmm. It's been playing very very careful of course
It's been panned off in terms of his farm top net worth still and very close to finishing this MKB on top of the death
So BKB mage slayer a bit quieter than I thought he was gonna be with this amount
He's been playing very cautious
Yeah, I thought he was gonna show up a bit more play a bit more aggressively because most of the cases that we have seen when they
Have this type of start
They're taking over a lot of the team fights themselves too. So
Which, starting to have his work cut out for him with how these last few mid-game moves have hit.
It's really going to have to be quite explosive, the fight that he does decide to kind of get really stuck into,
because if it's not Aurora's going to really start racking up the lead.
Yeah, it's been, what, ten minutes it feels like just Aurora dominance.
That's a bite. Falling further behind, as we saw, and if he doesn't get that PKP off, they will kill him pretty easily at the moment.
easily at the moment. Okay, so they buy a gem. I don't blame them at all. On the side of LGD,
Mira is really messing. He's been starting off a lot. He's had a lot of chances that he's been
finding to actually get in and get the Vendetta hit off, which you don't always see at this level.
Now he's going to be able to steal the shrine. He's got a blink dagger. So now he doesn't have
to be the first one to risk himself in a lot of these fights. He can be the follow-up. He can
let the storm jump in with BKB. They can have the vacuum and then they can get the full wombo
combo. Kaori as well buying a lens so he can play even further from distance in the back to get
get these cat-spot-gon bows and that is one of the vulnerabilities of the lineup of LGD,
especially when the BKBs are down right. They do have these three cores that are all melee
heroes and very much melee heroes that want to get the jump going right into the center
of the fight. So the potential for a row to punish that with the vacuum stun plays.
Sumail, Shivas is finished up, DD Rune on the bottom side. I don't know if they spotted
it but they're going to smoke.
Here we go. Yes, as you say, Sheeva's and the MKB.
Very big time. This is what which was sort of waiting for.
He's content to sort of say, right, guys, let's smoke up.
Let's go for the team fight now.
And let's see what he can do here as the case and look for a big kill.
It's not just a jikiro in particular, right?
Find the back.
One of these big ones, but not going to be the case.
Aurora one step ahead.
The DD is still on the bottom side.
Nobody saw it.
Tower will get denied.
Aurora, great movements. Again, macro movements around here for the last 15 minutes or so have been pretty beautiful.
They're going to buy a gem themselves in Stoikov. He's gotten through that period where he had to rush a BKB. He's got the damage now.
He's out the full Parasma.
DD now in spotted for Somel.
I think maybe this 4k go behind it does feel like they should have all the components to
give a teamfight a good shot who's gonna get the better angle
There's a Vora gonna get the multi-hero stun.
Time for Stoicon's Samal.
Does actually get the opening, but there's gonna be a chance still for the BKB to be pressed there by Stoicon.
Samal wants to continue rolling forward, but Stoicon's able to manage to zip away with a down remainder of the BKB.
Skidder tries to get stuck in on the fight, but Wits is going straight for him.
Trying to chase the swim ranger out of the fight completely.
Wits needs a couple more hits to bring him down, jumps in.
Skidder will be taken out by Wits.
I've lost the two of them in the cells though on LGD.
Hold still.
Rest of them, outside of a support here or there, will get out.
So ends up just being the two for two who recovered Witt's gem because they did see
that they bought a second.
Okay, Rory did keep their gem alive.
That's very important for them as well this game.
So two for two exchange.
Sketer having difficulty entering fights though now that this MKB is down.
Yeah, exactly.
Witt just beeline him.
I mean this is the thing, yeah.
Every single time that Witt sees that Wim Ranger, he's not going to even be thinking
about going around anyone else. Completely focusing Skeeter trying to take him out of the fights.
And he'll be able to do that pretty reliably, not really the biggest options in terms of saves that
Aurora have outside of a surge. And even that, as you've seen, the Kess can still kind of continue
to chase you down and close that gap. Yeah, their supports are built for themselves, right? So
not going to have that force down for something to disengage the windrangers positioning.
Might have to look to pivot to adapt towards something like that at some point, but...
Divide. Long jump. Start on.
For the opening angle, Divide. No hesitation this time round indeed.
Media PKB and TP out.
He's got to anticipate the mirror standing on top.
Absolutely, especially when the storm goes for that sort of aggressive zip.
You know there's more coming.
He's now going to have a heart, so going to be quite a lot tankier in that next fight as well to absorb things for his team.
Which is potential in these fights is going to continue to scale up pretty nicely the agonim septal about 400 gold off of the Kaz
Him surviving through the fight Skeeter dying like he does get that clear separation now
4,300 against his counterpart
And the itemization is just much more natural for the Kaz versus the wind ranger than the wind ranger versus the Kaz
It's hard to always get that focus fire on the right target. Got to keep looking for these team fights a roar
They do not want to slow things down. They see some mail
Good start, they get the stun, pull up on the vacuum, they're bursting low, but he's
having a knee injury.
He's trying to roll away, but we'll get blocked off, so Samel cannot escape.
That's a jab.
They're going to be able to take that one away.
They knew exactly where he was.
They get the catch.
The fear does connect on the two of them there, but they do get the win fight.
Which one's the battle, though, with the sags?
They don't want Aurora to get out scot-free.
They can definitely try and do something four versus five.
They know that Stoikov's going to be, yeah, not in a fighting position for a bit of time
once he gets the manna back up in base.
But he is healing and he does have BKB for the fight.
And he just left the TP ready,
so he's actually straight back out to the outpost
with full manna, full HP.
He's gonna make the jump himself first up to the helicor
and there we go, that's the Storms,
where I remember from the past, you know,
zipping in, soloing the supports up.
I feel like it's been a long time
since we've seen a Storm do something like that,
but Stoikov, he's in position this game to do so.
It's felt it's been a lot of months
since we've seen that,
because this hero just really started to fall up,
but he is owning this game,
10-2 and 8 continue to enable him.
He's gonna try and set up for more.
He's gonna try and set up for more.
They're opening Stunny afterwards and there's the vacuum follow-up, forces out the BKB from Dubai.
Look at the ice buff on a snaking.
It's true that they are able to make it back to the safety of the base.
That Stormnix, I guess maybe this is what you need for it though, right?
Maybe you do need something like that Nix assassin to enable the Stormsphere,
because it really is what's making it look so good.
It's a good sort of like knock-on effect rate from the draft ideas of Aurora, right?
The Darkseer sort of enabled the Knicks, and then the Knicks are very much enabled the Storm.
It's cool.
Allowing them to get away with a line-up that, as we've seen other teams try, and even them themselves,
that hasn't worked always as smoothly as they'd hoped for.
But here in this game, it's looking pretty hot.
He's getting the backfield to start out, and the both of them, they get the call, but there comes him,
and it's not enough to stop him from killing off some ale.
Devising troubles, no confidence.
straight over to wants him, can wits clean up the fight?
He's looking for WS now he's bailing.
He doesn't want to stick around,
every time he calls God,
the shackle from skin against him wits is out of the fight.
The ice bar funds are staking Aurora,
they're very lucky to get the team white.
I'll play LGD big time, these combos,
they just keep happening.
I mean, every single time these impounds,
there's ice bar and they're never hitting anything
less than two, three heroes.
Picture perfect fights for what?
It feels like 15 minutes, right?
We were saying they need to start getting the ball rolling.
50, literally every single one is hit.
They really are.
Ice path combos, shackle shots.
Every single one of the combos is hitting.
They didn't even get me to keep you off, right, Sumail?
He dies 100 to 0 without getting it off.
And we just know some of them, we'll see it again here.
Getting that opening.
WS in with a back-gim.
On with the two big juicy targets of Sumail and the Vi.
Immediately taking Sumail up, but we can get anything off,
really.
And they even got that.
I didn't even see that on the side there,
but they got the ULZ on Wittz as he went in before he got BKB off,
so they were able to just kite distance him during the entire event with BKB afterwards,
fully isolated.
Wittz just hasn't sort of been able to find that kind of position in the teamfights to really pop off.
There was just that one scenario earlier where he was able to stay on top of Skeeter,
but the fights outside of that just haven't been laid out in a way that he's felt comfortable to be able to commit
and actually get a lot of damage done despite his decent amount of farm we see up in the mid,
looking for Samel, but the PKB's up.
He's gonna turn here with the cop,
a raw fought onto Mira,
see what more they can find.
WS standing his ground up with a PKB.
Stoikov will fall, but he's got the Aegis.
He's gonna be back for round two.
Samel ends up still ticking out
the damage of Stoikov,
and he's out for 17, no buyback on Samel.
Kats is coming back, they can disengage.
Can the chase will catch anything there?
Can't stop Corey, TPing out in the tree line.
Stoikov continues to rain.
He really does. 14-211.
And the outlook for Wittz just continues to look grimmer and grimmer.
There's the Satanic now done on Skeeter.
So even if he finds a chance to stay on top of the Wind Rancher in these fights,
Skeeter's going to be able to outheal him.
It's much harder now for Wittz to get his job done in these team fights.
I think in the mid-game, at least I had anticipated Wittz to be doing a bit more
in terms of showing up with his team, right?
Because he wasn't pulling behind him.
No, he was massive, right?
And I think we've seen a lot of these Kezzes when that is the case.
They're showing up to lots of it.
It's a very quiet game from him.
4, 4 and 5 in the 17 kill, kill game for them.
Hasn't been able to find those connections and now at this point, yeah.
The items from the Windranger are there to fight him.
Yeah, they're ready to go.
The Storm is the real carry.
Absolutely, yes, Toykov, he's making it work.
And he takes the page out of Lornoff's book,
gets the Ioskadi as the final item that he wants.
Well, one of the final items.
Extra damage, extra stats, it's a great scaling one.
KR even shooting himself now to an Aghanim's.
How do these teamfights work now for LGD?
You have to get the jump yourself.
You cannot let yourself get vacuumed good.
Good luck.
They're definitely going to take quite some mistake,
it fills from Aurora, to let this one slip away now.
And they've just not been making those mistakes.
The coordination in these teamfights,
it's been there every single time.
I don't think we've really seen much of a play where
WS goes into the vacuum and there's not been followed.
There's always been the follow-up.
Every single time they're ready, one of them.
Yeah, Hem and Miram also have just a completely on point.
Just the vacuum stuns every single time they have the follow-ups.
They're just sort of that whole trio, really, but the both support.
It's something that in the past, you wouldn't always be able to get right.
Darkseer and Nix and J'Kirro.
The combo still works as good as ever.
Once upon a time.
LGD.
Nothing's gone their way in such a long time.
They killed the Nyx. A couple minutes ago, they killed the Windranger and the Shakira a little bit before that, but yeah, the fights are just not going their way.
Yes, Simeon and Divide, they're getting caught out at the start of most of these fights now, and you can really see that reflected in their net worth. They're falling behind.
Yeah, you see Simeon, now he's like, I need A on disc. I need something to actually protect me, but now Storkov's damage has gone up dramatically.
Level 25 has been hit.
Could potentially be the final fight.
One more one bow combo and they will easily be able to take away a large part of the base
and maybe the whole game divide.
Thinking about trying for the opening.
Nice parve.
Once they throw anything more into that, it's a little too close to the base and ideally
they want to get more than just the one jump.
Going up there is going to tease back into there.
And it's huge about coming to fight,
even get one of the three of them into the wall.
It's beautiful, Cobbo's here again and again from Aurora.
It's gonna be another team wipe.
As I think LGD, then Dibble tap out
respect to that play.
It's over as Aurora, brilliant place from them this game.
And they've done it, Storkov's done it.
I went with the Storm Spirit.
We haven't been seeing this,
but my goodness, he is absolutely showing
why they still have faith in picking it up.
coordination on point. That was a symphony of beauty. I haven't seen symphony of skills like that
in a while and it was an actual symphony of skills, not the meme one that we sometimes say,
yeah, that was that was gorgeous. Yeah, that was crazy. I don't think they're going to be
able to get this next and jacquero around the docks here again. They were very, very good at
landing those combos every single time. Aurora taking game one. Yeah, that looked incredible
and it looked so good and it makes me wonder how could we have had that read so wrong because at
the end of the draft because we were highlighting a lot of issues that Aurora might have in
this game one and they didn't show any of it.
Can I pause a second?
Yeah, go ahead.
You cannot factor a team doing nothing, sheva, back to you, of course.
Yeah, I think they also, we also didn't think about Aurora playing like AI.
Like this was literally no mistake making these gigantic wombo combos every single fight.
We talked about the Darkseer on our panel, this is the first time me joining your panel,
but we were very critical about having Darkseer on the team, one of the reasons why the hero
doesn't really have that big win rate is, I don't see any combinations with the hero,
and now it's just, let's call it very simple, from position 5, where you have this Jekiro,
you have Nix Assassin as well, good laning partner for the Darkseer as well, because
they play the lane even in team chantress, and also pulling it off multiple times, vacuum
to stand in the ice bath macro
player was just beautiful to watch. Yeah, I mean, you cannot
for Aurora's ability to teamfight in this game. Even here,
you're just going to watch everything just layered beautifully
and comfort is the main game for Aurora, right? They've not
made their players play too many heroes in the tournament. I
think when you are introducing a stand in, when you are
introducing Skidder, like on day one, I was kind of wired
for them because their performance there, it was
it was not great, but I think making sure the hero pool
is still quite small, enables you to improve a lot quicker
enabled you to improve a lot quicker than other teams, and we are seeing it here.
I will go back to, I think LGD with the heroes that they have,
it is close to unacceptable that they have that type of early game,
in which they enable Aurora to feel this comfortable.
Like when you think of legacy players like Snakey on his Enchantress,
there were no moves, nothing was happening.
It feels like Aurora were the ones making the moves,
and LGD was reacting to what they were doing,
instead of making their own moves, so it always felt like there was one step behind,
But the stand-up player for this one, definitely him, Stoikov.
Like, he is the one who dies immediately to TP's to the top lane early on.
With the Dust, he kills Kez, he surprises him.
Like, you don't expect these kind of things, like, seven, eight minutes into the game,
where he feels that, you know, he can be the driving force as well for the team
involved in almost 85% of the kills at the time.
They needed this type of a pick, and this is also the first W for the Storm Spirit.
Congrats, indeed.
Yeah, and it's Stoikov doing it.
It's a player that is playing as a stand in and we have critical of them sometimes to go. So this is very refreshing to see. Yeah, no, I know the morning panel hated him. I don't know why.
why us in the evening panel no complaints misinformation there guys um no but i think
yeah he has played very well and they just understand what they need to do on the map
and i think that's why roared just had the better understanding of lgd you know lgd we talk about the
map yeah you go for it thank you very much let's look at a 10 minute clip guys i said with my own
clip so that's great this is new stuff um but i just feel like when you are lgd when you have
the enchantress before this clip there was a rotation top where roared put some pressure
elsewhere had to go, then the device coming middle and 10-minute mark is very important and notice that utilizing the catapult wave
But I was gonna he's the one coming in as well with Mira getting the divide kill
So your Timbersaw who's not been activated at all in a difficult off lane then runs to mid lane for the catapult siege
dies instantly and the game just feels lost at this point like when I'm watching this
I'm like, okay Aurora should win this because they've never rotated the entry to twin gate to really break open bottom to fix the
in but playing into double range. They went to mid with the catapult, failed there again,
and in those two motions, when you have this type of draft, if you fail them, you're now playing
like only comeback though, pretty much. So the early game just went so rough for LGD.
Yeah, good luck trying to come back into that one, and especially into a pretty fat Aurora,
maybe a little bit emphasis there on the dark sea. Yeah, again, we are talking about the hero that
that has been prioritized pretty heavily so far at Valakia has a pretty abysmal win rate.
But one thing again that we were very critical about, I don't know if you guys feel the same
way about it, is you don't have to lock in the best pub item build that you are going
for.
But you don't have to follow a guide?
No, you don't have to follow a guide, you know.
So he went instead of going for the Shiva straight away, he did pick up the Lotus Orb,
which is very good you're playing against because a lot of stacking damage against the
Dark Willow and especially Earth Spirit, removing the Spirit Vessel, removing Magnetize as well.
So WS, I'm always was and always will be a big fan of the guys, especially offlaners,
who think differently about approaching certain itemization. And then the big fight happens,
one of the Wombo combos, I think they got a lot of value out of Amira, this next Assassin pick,
this is the second time that they played with it. And the first Wombo combo pretty much,
we are seeing the layering of the spells pretty nicely, and they have continuing to do so for
the rest of the game. I just see these clips and I just see in a row that like they know why they're
bringing heroes to places now. In day one we had this type of motion but it was like three heroes
not four, they're diving a tier two but it's not successful. Now it's like the correct amount of
heroes going for the correct pick off and it's like they are a team that should be, if you went
before day one, they should have been like already thought about in the final day. Day one made it
shaky but now it's like ah okay yeah like everything feels sold which is very very good for the sake
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Yeah, it's... I mean, at some points, it becomes really bored.
It is like everyone has nine items or something like that.
Yeah, I agree.
And I think just take a better aspect in Dota so I can put it nine.
Nine, there's not ten otherwise I would put that.
And I would say eight, but I didn't find it.
Nice.
Yeah, we support you right now.
Heroes have too much damage and they have too much HP.
Yeah.
Make them 600 HP max level ten again.
Yeah, I think it was a pretty low-skilled part of the game, to be honest.
Yeah.
I think I chose two because I didn't play professional at that moment.
I see.
But anyway, I suppose it was very boring to do that.
Yeah.
I mean, looking back, it's actually one of the only things I feel that was actually low-skilled
in the pro scene before compared to now.
I mean, there's no 10, otherwise I would say 10.
I mean, for me, the 9 is the top.
I also fan of Yadoro, but I'm not going to choose 9, because it's a lot of respect,
but I'm also very fan of him.
Nice, okay.
Then, Max, Maxed out.
Yeah, I enjoyed it, bro. I did do it real.
I mean, I enjoyed, like, I guess I enjoyed more than non-playoff games.
You know what I mean?
Like, when it's time for playoff games,
there's nothing more enjoyable than that.
But otherwise, strategy and game is, like, kind of safe.
I mean, I really enjoyed to, like, make my brain to work
because I'm very hyperactive, so I came to stay quiet.
Truth.
I'm always there doing, like, summer strides,
seeing my mind.
It's every time.
the game. We got to translate
those active minds into active
those two plays because that is
something that also D. Blacks in
a game one a little bit. We
yesterday had criticism on the
squad because we were not too
happy with the way their
drafting was done and then how
they played out those drafts
didn't seem to fit them. We were
Yeah, I think they needed to speed things up a little bit more when it comes down to the laning stage.
We saw like some tries, but it was also not good enough, like you showed the 10-minute rotation.
I think these type of rotations needed to come earlier when Storm Spirit is still not level 6.
I think they needed to punish this weaker hero at the early stages of the game,
Nick's Assassin, who doesn't really provide you with much, but they layered their spells nicely.
nicely. They brought this Chakiro, Storm Spirit, and Darcher. Insane amount of magic damage.
We saw that Timbersaw did suffer pretty heavily in the lane. I don't think it was on him to
try to fix anything. It was more about this Dark Velo, Earth Spirit rotations, especially
Enchantress.
Well, that's just why I'm kind of, I guess, confused. I don't know if LGD3 understands
Divide's role within the team at the moment, because in previous drafts, they gave him
last pick, lots of information, yet the draft already was kind of a bit lost, so it doesn't
matter. And now it's like you first pick him the hero, which also I'm fine with, but you need to
understand that he's going to be counterpicked and to fix it you have to bring heroes to him
and then you go aggressive. Like it's just to me, I just don't know if they're truly utilising him
right now. Like he was a key factor in like heroic success because he's just an obnoxious player,
but he's also the type of player that if you don't use him, he will just respectfully do close
to nothing in your team. Like you have to use him correctly. That's the whole joy of competitive
don't like your strengths and weaknesses. And I don't think LGD is using the right at all correctly,
not even close to his top form he had in the previous year. But once they do,
that will be the step up for this team. Because he is a really loud player,
I'm just not feeling his presence in half the games I'm seeing.
Yeah, it's mostly when he gets counterpicked when his like, he's not the type of a player that is
making like insane comebacks when it comes. I don't think he's a player that is playing extremely
well compared to you know these collapses when it's playing from behind. Yeah pretty much but
on the other side you have WS who so far has been playing pretty much a different hero each
match that they played even bringing a new one to this series. Eight games played, eight matches
and playing eight different heroes so his versatility definitely up there. The vibe might not have
the biggest fool might be the reason also why they decided the first phase is
there was something behind it but they also got counterpicked this is the
hero that you know can't definitely make a comeback and they're gonna respect it
in this one but because WS he plays that hero and he plays it extremely well
are we going with WS to play another hero this time around do you think or is he finally gonna
I think at one point you have to stop I like this is even if the tournament if
We were on the last day of the tournament playing eight different offlaners and this patch would still be pretty pretty successful
I feel very good. Yeah
We have a couple of offlaners banned here already the Largo and the timber is standing out most of all timber this time on the side
Of LGD, they don't want to give it away. So they are highly respecting this hero as a first pick not just for themselves and
In terms of bands, I guess the the other offlaner that is still in the pool is the Darkseer again
There's one big hero left in the pool that's Ember Spirit.
He's way too good of a hero right now in the previous patch.
Like, you can't really feel the nerf that a hero.
He just does way too many things.
Even in the losing matchups, the hero still feels insanely good.
We've saw, like, him beating Huskar, not necessarily in the lane, but beating him in the game.
They don't rush toward it, though.
As much as I'd like to see it,
I kind of personally prefer Amber as a, you at least see two or three heroes and you pick it,
or you protect it with like bands after. There are the Slarks, the ODs and all that stuff.
Aurora to be fair, they did first pick against Team Cobra, Parker's team yesterday, so they
didn't care less about Parker. That was kind of a bold move, but yeah, easily a hero to be
considered in the next phase. Now his win rate is still pretty high when it comes down to being
picked in the first stage it's sitting at 66% of course it goes up when picked in second
pick stage it goes up to 80 and they get picked only once in the last stage which gives him of
course the 100% last pick ember is super strong yeah and now lgd's like okay so you give us ember
we can protect it with one ban after picking it that will be slack and then you look to a story
co-op and go you've played four heroes are you gonna play do d are you gonna play the slot
you're quite a traditional mid laner so maybe LGD is trying to call a bluff and it'll be interesting
to see if Stoikov has it in his kind of will house to be able to show some of the kind of
TI counters to the hero and Valhalla counters to the hero.
It also does mean that in terms of bands on Aurora side they don't really have
that much extra information to work off of. I just hope it's an honest mid lane matchup I would
would like to see story 12 go I see you and but let me still play my storms and my dudes
yeah let's just play like a good game I don't want to be like hey I got my slap because
I can right click you in any stage and then I lose the game later you know it's like I
don't want to see this I want to see like honestly from the mid lane that's what Slug does I think
Dark Willow would be one of the first choices when it comes down being pairing with Ember
Spirit it's just a really nice follow-up route after route into even more damage it's a very
easy setup. Of course, the big ones are definitely gone. Hoodwink picked for Aurora and Marana,
but you still need some kind of a combo. I think Windranger also fits in really well,
because you can use it as a flex, pick it potentially on 13, use that as a carry,
use that as a position 4. We've seen some of these like long range like sharpshooters,
Marana arrows, Windrangers when paired up with any kind of stun from the distance,
Ember being like one of the heroes to kind of abuse that and you don't necessarily need to be even close to the fight
You can be two thousand range away and still have a contribution
The most important thing with Ember is after the ending phase you naturally want to make a lot of moves on the map
So your net worth will kind of fall lower than other cores
And if you don't have the right supports to get you the occasional kill you you will feel that pressure of like wait
I'm not farming. I'm running around. I might be stopping the enemy farming
But my games hurt hence why you know LaCrosse talking about the supports it means so much for the Ember
And at least having one partnership goes a long way.
And I think maybe because Ember Spirit is such a, I guess, well-known hero and how he's played,
it should make movements for LZD a little bit more fluid, a little bit more obvious for them.
Yeah, for sure. This is not going to say easy to hero to play, but in professional environment,
definitely is, if you're playing a mid lane, this need, like you need to play the Spirits.
maybe not so much the void spirit because this hero it doesn't feel as strong at the moment, but I did
Not think of this year. This year has been a menace like I thought that during the last ti
We're gonna be seeing a lot more from techies in the right hands. This year. I just felt
Super obnoxious. I think Omar had some insanely good performances when he was playing the last couple of days for CVS
No, yeah techies
It's just such a nice hero in the right hands
They'd be interesting to take over areas and it twin gates and size enough is so important that every time you pick techies
I'll always just say deleting twin gate rotations from your heart. They say delete techies. Yeah, but also true to be fair
I disagree. I love techies. This is fine compared to all techies. This is literally nothing
Well, well can get some classic updates and whatnot. Maybe donor can get like a classic
I don't know for loads. That's bad, but just like just for techies anyway moving on very good here
just be able to take out areas that's what Ender wants to do so okay Aurora going back to the next
assassin yeah not opposed to i think Mira looked very comfortable on the hero you naturally have
two pickoff style heroes for Lena and Hoodwink that with information can kill most heroes in the
game with the correct setup so i like to see that they're continuing down this line and Storkov
does go for the Lena the honest mid lane none of this weird hard counters yeah in this one definitely
not going to be, I don't think they're going to be using this as a flex, seeing Ember
Spirit in the mid lane, Lina as a counter to it, very obnoxious for Ember to play into
this matchup, constant harassment coming out, and the strike of one of his most played
heroes for a good reason.
It's going to be good for like the CS side of things for Lina, but the main thing is
like in regards to tempo of the map, Ember will still be able to set more tempo, will
be able to counter play and do all these things, so Rora needs to respect that they're side
lanes, you're not really going to get the presence of a storm through a TP and suddenly
taking over the fight, right? You might get the leaner rotation, but it's not as explosive
as a Storm or other heroes. So, I'd like to think Ororra is going to be considering just
some stability elsewhere. Because they aren't picking the side like heroes, so you are going
to see all four heroes before you do something. They're in good stead. I think their draft
is pretty stable.
The axe comes out for the Vi.
Yep.
I was just thinking, is there...
We have Kaka at the tournament, maybe some like Shaman Lion.
These heroes have always been good against Nick's Assassin.
You see him hexing, he doesn't get the care of pace off.
I'm pretty sure that if this was him, he would probably pick Lion.
I think he played Lion two or three times already.
this guy's just has been obsessed with the hero for the past 15 years or something.
I'd like to see Rubik personally.
What happened to the Willow that you guys talked about?
Oh, hold up.
Yeah, against Nick's Assassin, it is very obnoxious to play Dark Willow,
so they will go for something different, Crystal Maiden.
It's a setup for a very aggressive safe lane.
This is something that when they were playing it on Falcons,
it did allow Snaking to play his Crystal Maiden and the Love Skeeter at that time
to pretty much play anything which does allow you to get quite a lot of kills and this is a bit
of an underrated hero. I would say the hero is not S-tier by any means but definitely more
pickable than what we're seeing. Yeah I think actually Doc Baboka has showcased what CM can do
in the right hands and I don't mind it just based on like you already mentioned the next assassin
and the fact that all four LGD heroes with levels want to run into the map, want to go do things,
want to be aggressive and I think our big criticism of the game one was you had heroes to collapse in
the early game, you didn't do it. Now this is even easier than the last game. You could argue
there's some complications with timber lane matchups and then trying to find something to save the
the case in top lane but this time it's like you have four heroes to do things, do something and
of course they have last pick as well so it's gonna see the enigma pick. Now needs to find a
carry that can play into it. At the moment from the heroes he's played in the tournament, only
like Tiny and Alk are the two, actually I haven't played them.
Tiny is the big one.
Yeah, Tiny Alk, Gyro for classics.
Skeeter doesn't have to play into the enigma because he will be on the same team.
Yeah, they're not on the same team.
They played on the same team.
I would say Wits.
Wits has to play the Tiny or something like this, yeah.
The Gyro does get banned out, though, so the old school one gets removed.
They already saw this crystal, made it on 17 and they're like, you know what?
This is going to be a super strong lane, doesn't really matter what they pick.
We need to be able to fall back and define something.
So Enigma, I'm not going to say it was a natural choice, but a very good choice to go for in
this occasion because you also have an X-Assassin, a hero that wants to have this type of a laner,
very weak laner in general, and also we saw what he can do when he's paired up with a
strong laner like a Darkshear.
With Enigma, you can also potentially grab some kills, die afterwards, which would be
more than fine for Nick's assassin in this situation.
Alright, one more ban was still good against Enigma, that's when you mentioned Tiny.
Yeah, I think Tiny is still fine. I mean, if Wix wants to copy Skitters here, or Pool, just like my inability to put the players in the right teams, then I'd say that's still fine on the Arc.
I mean, if you want to go real niche, but I don't think he's ever played it comparatively, then you have like the Conkers, the classics to the anti-Enigma.
I just straight up physical damage. He will be idolans, any AOE. Monkey King was used before, but I don't think safe lane monkey.
I mean, it can work with crystal maiden potentially because like your Boundless Strike is physical damage. You could potentially grab some kills. It can't get out of control.
I think Clanks is a very good ban. This is something that XG also used on day one or day two. It looked almost unstoppable when it comes down to what this hero brings to the table.
And also Aurora they're not banning out the tiny themselves because like for that carry position
You want an active carry and they'd pick out a face and they might just be taking that themselves
That's why our DD now needs to ban it
Me for Aurora at the moment that Josh is kind of built on
They're assuming Enigma will be able to take over the tower Lino trade farm and then something will happen through twin gate
So I kind of want to see skinner have the insurance because like if enigma shut down
Lino's farming like where's your what do you do like where do you make moves mirror could just be lost in the game
If he doesn't have enough later to play through hence why these like stable carries the life-safe is a tiny like the generic dudes are so good
They just go for another generic dude, which is the Sven
Who they eventually will be able to play through still need to be mindful of the lane into axe and techies
Could be a little volatile if you were you missed it
Level one you're kind of fine with the stun that you have harassment from hoodbink, but level three level four
You're really not like really amping up your spells by any means you're already prepping for the jungle
But there is at least something throughout this game that can't stop Sven from poppy gop problem
Is you have a really good follow-up so many stuns
I think Aurora simplified their draft pretty heavily every single hero on their side does have a stun available
And this makes Dota very easy to play same good can be said for LGD
I think this type of a draft also kind of plays itself out
Then they saw what the Aurora was picking and they wanted to match a little bit of an aggression
Especially after what happened in that game number one
Yeah, there's like this niche picks like the Naga carry and this type of stuff that could come into play you lane fine
You push out the waves a lot of auras move is like you have to push wave
Smoke your pick-off heroes behind the next get the kill
So if the waves are shoved into you and this macro game is getting played it could be uncomfortable
Alas, they want to run back the
the Kev's
Of course, I like it. No, I don't I don't mind it
I think because of the CM you have idlon threat could you can just Nova and an echo slash and you just kill the idlons, right?
So it's not like it's an impossible lane
I think, again, Crystal Maiden, it covers you from a lot of the new heroes, if you're always focusing on the Idols.
Yeah, it's a super strong lane. Like, Mira needs to be careful. If he missteps in this lane, he can easily die.
One frostbite. Kaz can easily close the gap as well. I think LGD Gaming, they picked two very strong lanes.
I think their lanes are going to be, at least the side lanes, are going to be looking good.
They also have supports that can easily play as well around the mid laner.
Sumail not gonna be winning the CS battle against Lena, but with the rotation they can definitely grab some kills
I'm just a little worried after seeing what happened in game one
But are they're gonna be able to like push this up to like maybe one extra level if they can speed the game up
Which I think with this type of lineup you definitely have to do. I love the fact that they just have aggression
I just like the heroes play themselves is that you want to go make kills
You want to have things happen on the map in the back of my mind though when you look at your lineup
three melee cores, you're playing into enigma, like if you do take over the game, like it just eventually you might get some like epic skin of three
man stun, you might get some three man black hole, but I feel like LGD they understood the mistakes of game one, and they made it a lot easier to be
aggressive, and that alone shows that they're very understanding of their situation, but Aurora they do look to be the slightly more polished team.
Yeah, I do like Aurora more. I think there's going to be a window where this draft is a little on the slower side, having makes a
assassin having Sven, more not the heroes who can punch back straight away, but LGD gaming,
they will need to step it up.
And I'm also going to be looking at the mid-matchups, Toykov playing some very good Dota against
the male in the previous game, MVP for a good reason.
This performance on the Storm Spirit only win on the Storm Spirit as well.
And now he's even on a hero that I'd say he feels even more comfortable.
Yeah, and then we saw that Aurora in that previous game, they had no problem pulling
off the one more combos.
I think what worries me most and that generally has to do with positioning
And that's something that I hope that LGD is going to be extra careful for to be fair from a viewer perspective
They can be a little bit a little bit lackluster there
So we do get those one more combos
I think I would be not the only one that is looking forward to what can potentially happen
But we will need LGD to step it up in this game number two if they win here
they are able to force out a third game to this series and
And that means you have a shot of locking in the playoffs.
Let's see which team gets out ahead.
Because we have high expectations coming out for both of these squads.
And I think Tiga of LGD so far hasn't...
Like this game, this draft, they've let us down.
They let us all down.
LGD, you've created a roster that people have craved for in the scene.
international players under a
legacy organization. But you're
playing like it's battle cop.
This is not battle cop. We did
also say that they are of the
hardest job, I guess, then we
can give them a little bit of
leeway because of that because
they start from scratch. They
start with the team that was
not formally together. So a
little bit of leeway there.
Cost is allowed. Yeah, for sure.
I think some teams need a little
bit of extra time to be able to
I mean, it's a relatively weird mix of players that we didn't expect.
I don't think anybody expected to play together, so they might need just maybe another game,
another series here and there, and they'll be ready to go.
And we are also ready to go without any picks from the fog.
Hello?
Hello, yes!
There we go!
We're good to go.
Here we go, ladies and gentlemen, game two time.
as we just caught that first blood the other way of Aurora great job casters you guys now have said
we want lgd to look better and they die and give first blood right away they might be giving the
second blood as well we're seeing divide getting chased down they are definitely giving us yeah
he's going down there so this is going to be two kills to start things off there for Aurora k
k r you could have canceled that attack come on hey come on he got the first one
watch while giving the second you know two kills to start here on the hope wing
Yeah, Exkidor literally was swinging and Kira was like, nah, mine, all right, what happened?
Great setups.
Yeah, I think the key thing that I was looking at right, Aurora, it's, I think, simplifying
the drafts, both games.
It's just a ton of stun combos, easy ways to execute, and again, something you mentioned
in the end there, right?
They want to make sure that they can enable this Nyx Assassin.
I think Darkseer and Enigma are the two best ways that you can enable it, right?
To play the lane, since these two heroes are so independently strong on their own.
So yeah, that's what I'm going to be looking at, as Mira does take a big hit down bottom.
Should be okay. And the other thing, right, Tal GD?
I want to see Witt's play more aggressive, man.
This guy is very good when he does play aggressive, and I just felt like he was so passive the last game.
Ooh, Mira. That's gotta be a right Witt's time to just throw anything else out to try and finish him off.
But yeah, indeed, eyes on Witt's for sure after having a bit of a tough game won on the Kers,
despite the fact that he did get good farm.
He's got changed on so many times. Mira trying to tank some of the spells for his app for the Idleons might end up paying with his life.
Actually does not have the mango in the slot they're snaking so can't go for the kill.
This is a hard lane for the enigma though so even though we're saying this is designed to enable a Nyx assassin,
Kaz and CM is enough to clear those Idleons every single time with the spam.
Especially the level 1 ones as we do see.
see. Once the level 3 idolons come out, it could be a bit of a difference, but the moment
they're getting the connections perfectly there, as you see.
I want you to make the avalanche of this time around in the mid. We're going to see some
out on his ember spirit. Storko does have that lina pick, though that can be quite annoying.
Yes, the lane for the lina, right, going to be very good, and then this is actually the
Spirit that suffers the most versus Nick's assassin because you pop your flame guard you're in waves anything farming
He can set up with multiple different stuns on you actually find this one with way worse
Like an ember versus Nick's compared to an earth spirit than ever since the next there's bird has ways to play around it
Ember doesn't have to just tank your eyes. Yes, but you do get caught. It's a
Bit of a different situation as the ember. Yeah, I'm very usually it's a give you get caught in one stun
You're probably gonna get changed done to kill their spirit can sometimes reliably take it
Top, good damage on the Theo, he's got taser to play around though, so should be fine to buy turning and getting aggressive.
That Skeeter getting his Sven, one of his best, he's also playing into the axe, we've seen this counter pick several times now from teams, just super high HP.
You don't really care if you get called, you're good in the lane versus the axe as well.
On the Vy, it's his Kaori!
He's gonna be a bit careful himself with the Helicorps, they're ready to
make an aggressive move.
In fact, the early first bloods, right, the two kills that he's gotten, he's level 3 already on this hoodwink.
It's the highest damage support hero in the game, so once he does have this level 2 acorn, you can see how much it does at the Vy.
I don't want to get the free farm and get a good amount of denies and against the Vi and the other core.
And yeah, for LGD, besides this winch, and I did mention him in particular, but I want to see their macro game also be a little bit better, right?
Because the game quickly fell apart. It was around like 17 minutes, they were like a 2 or 3k gold lead, and then they just sequentially lost the 20 minutes of teamfights.
I just want to see them breathe the moves a little bit better, understand where Aurora is playing on the map.
This does feel like Aurora just had their number.
And this time around Aurora.
Another very strong draft. You know, last time I actually preferred LGD's draft, this time I'm preferring Aurora's.
So I promise I'm wrong on both.
And we'll find out.
Good lane.
It smells gonna take quite a bit of a hit. Not an easy one for him.
It's not going to be really impressive today, though, in this mid-match up on this Lina,
this time in the storm, as we've already said multiple times, so they did very clean.
On top of I, it's looking pretty nice.
It's pretty nice.
That A-cup plays right out of that.
He's telling his teammate to probably try to drag the wave, but I don't think that they're
going to be able to drag wave either.
He's going to lose some XP here.
He's going to lose a lot of XP here, in fact.
And if you were to catch the wave here put it in a very dangerous spot this top lane
Not gonna be able to apply pressure and scooter at all now
The double double kill first blood absolutely having the fact of this lane as you're seeing these two are really strong
And WSL doing too bad down here right now
He's actually recovered at the level one island style. Yeah level two ones don't get cleared as effectively so
So if they're able to protect them top, they will be able to find Kaori.
Sticks a bit around too long, too low HP.
And now they're just going to cut waves.
So not going to look to contest this fen, just going to look to maximize for Divy.
Yeah, see not quite finishing off those Idle Ones, they have to walk in and get two touches.
Pow rune, 10 seconds or so.
Divy will actually find a courier, that was a bit lazy there from Skater.
Supports moving over.
Samel is in dangerous territory.
They can find some sort of wraparound.
He's actually going to go aggressive onto Stoikov.
He's in with the chains and the Brennan.
He's becoming in. Frostbite's there on his Stoikov.
They'll try and run, but another Brennan comes out from Samel.
They bring Stoikov down.
And they give him some lotuses.
Another Brennan over towards Mira, Samel.
Trying to get a second kill out of this and they'll find it.
Nice move from these supports.
And they'll get him a regen.
he drags the creep aggro too away from the tower so it's gonna miss wave for
Lena. Very good aggressive move jumping right on top of him. Kyori tries to
strike back but cannot. Good sandwich there from the supports.
Not catching the stun there Kyori too. Flanked from the opposite angle he was
trying to get aggro as the move got onto his Lena so he wasn't there for the
bushwork. Not initially at least. Which happened to be careful though when he's
left on his own. But he's doing very well. Even being given a couple of these extra
idolons, he's not the same network as the Sven, but only a little bit behind.
It's tanking. Step up to try and clear the idolons there, he's ready to turn
in a help. WS takes the kill. Oh he's gonna be dangerous down here these
idolons. WS is level five already. Kes is gonna start having some problems, might
have to actually leave the area. One stun plus these idolons soon the black hole
available. He can pose kill threat out the wits pretty early here. Looking at black
hole game overall too, are we? Yes there's the kes, right? They've always got that
function that he can cancel, but there is not a lot of stuns to cancel this hole.
It's kes. Yeah if you catch the kes and if you go the BKB press you're pretty good.
And I guess a blast off from the right angle. Even without that, yeah it's not like they'll have a loss.
It's really limited and he's got it ready.
He's ready to step off and he's going to drop, he catches the two of them.
But a line things up for the full hopes done from the supports is not quite enough damage to get the quick kills though.
Snake King slowly but surely fall.
Here comes Skeeter.
He's coming in with a wrap around so Whitsun, Teal and the Cores should be cautious.
Good thing they have a ward there.
Snake in placing down earlier.
Did see Skeeter coming through the portal if they play around it.
I don't know if I could push Rykoff, Corey, but Samal's going to be looking to chase him down.
slight change in two and I guess that's why I'm quite rich change will do it how
did he okay the kill what now bomb it I don't even know what ticked on from there
okay well
dog chasing on the on the embers food that's what it was I was like what the
heck not the most damage coming in with the black hole I think the eye on it
mostly got him cleared out there's like one or two of them attacking so the
Kess will survive. But yeah, definitely some lack of control for stopping this
Black Hole besides the Kess in the mid game. And I have to keep tabs on that one.
That CM frostbite, nothing. You can get the blast up at the right angle, but yeah,
that's about it. And then a Blink axe call if you get it from behind, but...
I'm so scared, I very quickly decide that that wasn't going to be a play that he
wanted to dive for. Yeah, I think, of course, through the Twin Gates and getting back
kind of the pretty quickly which is juggling pretty low
as they're going to be able to find him.
He gets himself out.
He has managed to hit the six as well.
So he does have that further potential to turn.
And Stonk goes caught.
He's dead.
Sumail is getting on top of him now multiple times here.
Three is here and two versus the Lina.
He's actually a head in net worth,
even though he was first that lean in the matchup.
The supports enabling him.
That's very nice this time around, Stoikov is going to have a bit more difficulties in
this game, since there are going to be quite a lot of things that get on top of him, right?
The Ember, the Kaziac, all three cores and the support which has the built-in blast off
won't be the easiest to protect him in this early game.
And they lose the tower early though though, it's a push of WS and the Idolons.
I think WS is going to be one of the biggest problems for them to deal with.
He's trying to go up to kill onto Mera, but he'll get it.
Stuck up not with enough damage to threaten Samael and return.
Over and over again he ends up living from the support.
Great movements from these two.
Last time struggling a bit to enable them this much as they wanted to.
What's the vine going to do?
So we have seen him before.
Go for plays where he rushes blink dagger, rather than getting the blade mail first.
This might be one of those situations, because he does have heroes that can apply the damage
for him.
He's got techies, one of the best combos, so it might be one of those when he gets an
early blink to look to make moves around the map, make space.
Snake King.
He's got body blows coming out from Mera Wits, considering if he can help fight back, I mean
they have to be able to core around, so Snake King won't be able to run, Kory gets the bush
and the shop should have downed away the black holes there to stop the raptor dance
going off successfully and kill wits off
Simeon ready to try and find the counter play for the islands kill snaking off Simeon chasing down mirror
burns him down with the flamethrower
Veal the core though ticking low
gonna be a double kill for Kaori
Simeon still gonna be careful with the amount of islands that are out
Kari already has a lot of damage, double seven on this hoodwink
Got the malifus onto Simeon but he will have a render prepared if necessary
That was it. The 3 vs 4 essentially there for Marora. They come out pretty clean with it.
What's that?
He's about to dodge the classic. We've seen that a couple of times now.
Dodging that burst damage coming in from the fallout for the Laguna blade.
And he'll live.
Nice to play, but the aggression from Marora, you can see that Witz is not having fun on it.
Last time he was one of the top net worth, if not the top net worth, and he struggled in the game.
That is true. He's on the bottom.
Yeah, and he shows up. Can't really get any type of cleanup kills.
As he is getting pretty massive he is and Senate versus that Kaz it can be pretty scary
Yeah, not only is just that him individually how quick you can burst it, but your whole team gets very tanky
The war cries really effective versus that high physical
The LGD's lineup not the best at kind of bursting a Sven
Whereas Aurora's lineup pretty good at bursting your cares
Yeah, like bursting this fan preview you can be perhaps with the techies if not
Wits? They've got the setup. He's not going to be able to get the rule, maybe he will, no.
Can't quite. The damage is done. Wits dead once more.
Dude, he's struggling so much.
Something's going on with Wits.
They've got to try and help him out.
Yeah. Mid. They'll be able to get Mira. Terrence will try to kill the bomb. Can't quite.
Now, Sumail's trying his hardest.
He's having a great time, Sumail. 4-0-4.
He is making all the space. Well, he's trying to make all the space in the world,
but the Kess just keeps getting caught, so it's space for who?
Yeah, him and DeVy have to do a lot here with the playmaking.
Free up the map a little bit, just release some of the pressure that's been put on the bottom lane.
Look at the jump on the go, Emit!
They didn't reveal themselves on the rest of the map.
Okay, Sumail will.
Just gonna go for the tower here.
Snakey is looking for the next target.
Well, at least block the camps.
Yeah, which is recovery is gonna be incredibly slow in this game.
and we are paid for not the easiest of the Kaz games, as we've been saying.
This enigma is going to be a problem in this game for them to deal with.
Black Ops could be back up in just 30 seconds. We'll see where WS wants to go next with that.
They will always outright the BKB cancel with the Kaz in some situations if he executes it right, but yeah, everybody else.
WS is going to have some crazy freedom versus them.
versus them. And as you say, yes, Skeeter, he's level 12 already. So he's getting away
with some pretty absurd farm, no pressure onto him. And I've been liking a lot when
I see these Svenpigs versus the Spirits as well. It just gives you that extra stun in
some situations where it's just, oh, he would have gotten out there. Nope, there's a storm
hammer that most carries wouldn't have a stun. So you're definitely on the rise more
and more.
I'm yeah, definitely something you got to expect when you plan against Aurora and Skeetah. Yeah, it's like his favorite one
Aurora content at the moment here chill sit back at these creeps. They've gotten a fair bit out of these lanes already
And I think they do know how hard they shut down with so far here
Zero and two every time he's shown in the lane. He's been punished
And Mira is at the ready to continue punishing him as well.
Season at the moment here.
They always have the boots of travel that can come in here on just even like an idolon
that could be hidden in a tree line, so have to keep tabs of that.
Mira will get spotted under the sentry.
It doesn't mind being the one dying to this sort of move.
Well, I'd like to just be him, but he catches the movement, Sumail will be happy, but I
think also Aurora will be like, okay, you killed the next assassin, he's 0-6, you're
not getting core kills.
WS is hanging around.
Maybe looking for an opportunity, but he might get caught off guard from this ward.
Yeah, he senses that it's a little bit risky, doesn't really have anyone behind him ready
to back him up if he does go for the black hole.
Yeah, I think for Aurora when they have to blink on Skidder, they're going to accelerate
more to that he's gonna turn up to every single one of these fights because then
he can get involved with the enigma in the Knicks assassin much easier. At the
moment though some really good words that LTD does have placed. They're covering
most of the zones where they could get snuck in initially from the Knicks and
there we go. Blink is done, Skeeter steeping to mid, Mira is already been
deaded up. Yeah they're grouping up for a smoke on that. Skeeter knows how much
stronger he is in the case at the moment.
This team fight is not going to be easy for LGD to endure.
The fight does have Blink Blade Mail done.
Eyes on him to turn the fight.
Gonna look towards Mera.
Already the counterplay has been made with the jump.
He'll get the call onto the leanout to fight.
Last off from Theo, the Corbis.
Do it, Corbis.
Fine.
Oh, it's awkward.
They couldn't kill him.
The bombs?
I guess he's gotta be careful stepping into those.
He's gonna get taken out.
Skidna's still ready to keep the fight going.
He jumps over the wards and now they have the Fork Stun control coming in from the distance from Mera.
Another call from Devive and it's a God's strength, Sven. He's got to be cautious.
Wit's going to show he's got to run.
Wit, it's Fork Stun.
The pushback's there, the Fork Stun coming in from Skidna. Wit's in trouble.
He's turned up and died.
Oh, Wit's. He was just starting to recover to his shows up.
He dies immediately.
I mean, the fact that they tried to poke the Sven again during the remainder of his God's strength.
Hard to sort of see that going well.
And they tried. They did kind of read the movement right. They get the blink call, but immediately it's met with responses.
They killed the bombs. They actually turned, killed the double bombs that was dropped from Theo Lacour.
They get WS to Constellation, probably because he does run into the bombs on the left.
These fights look hard and wits again.
He is... I don't know, something's going... I think all the games that I've casted from him, he's struggling.
But every other game that I've seen from him, he's owned.
They've got Kersi.
They've got a tough day today here on the cast.
Yeah, now Snape. Another easy grab.
And this matchup, yeah, the Kez vs. Sven, it's just not that great if you are behind.
Because you go to...
You're not going to kill the Sven.
You don't kill him because he's got Warcry, Mage Slayer does nothing, you're kind of innately
squishy as well versus that high physical damage as a Kez early.
I don't want to see him turn up.
Not until he has that so again.
I feel like in that last one he probably shouldn't have either, but maybe his team was calling
for it.
Yeah, that's super far behind.
Filicarp is rich though, he's gotten the majority of the kills for his team, 5-1 and 5 on this
techies, so he's going a very greedy route.
He's going the Octarene.
If you can get there, you know, he certainly will allow him to unlock the game.
Yeah, that's more about yourself though, rather than assisting your coach who's really struggling,
So I thought maybe he would go more toward that itemization of okay, I got you
Let me get you your soldier glimmers that we did see from some of the players the other day
Cuz right we just I mean jink you was playing win ranger
But that was the dream one when he was playing with the Kez right? Yes, so there's the blasts
Literally everything to enable
Kez that was actually massive too. It wasn't a kiss who was behind so
We'll see if it works for
divide
Very deep
We'll be okay though.
Mera's gonna try to close the gap though, when Dada's coming in.
Oh, they're coming for him.
And here's Kaori.
They're gonna see him.
The line's not getting out of this.
Yeah, this is the macro movement, the movements from the supports on Aurora has been beautiful.
Not a bad play.
Played me all day on Tuskeeter, but it'll be okay.
Yeah, Kaori's everywhere.
There's a level 11 hoodwink, by the way.
Maybe it is good that he took those two early kills.
Mera.
He's right on him, picked up the enigma close to the gas.
WSA, he's heading over to help out.
And the Idle Ones now drops a trap hole.
Now the death on Witz is gonna be kept further and further behind.
I like that they're even using the Idle Ones, right?
It's like, Stoikov's like, hey, I'm here just in case, don't worry.
We've got that backup.
Ford, that's not for Witz.
This has to be one of the slowest death zones I think I've seen.
It's Malusnike King.
Okay, he's way too elusive now at this point.
And, honestly, they didn't get on top of him, he's tanky now, too.
1300 HP with the Essence Ring.
See if they can set off onto him here, he is very isolated.
Hesitant to go for the play though.
The El will try.
They're scared.
Well, that's a lesson on the map really that Wits can safely head out into to find farm against how much Aurora is taking over
They got to push WS out of this bottom side somehow
So it's done to hold back to Vibe, but plenty of TP's coming in WS
Should be very very dead here. So I might as well get them again a little early with the dunk, but kills are kill
They have to push this to niggam out somehow. They're gonna smoke instantly
I don't think they can slow down at this point have to make every single move that they can see to get space
But Blitz is top.
It smells hunting for Kuroi.
He just says a bit of a slippery hook wink and he does have Stoikov here ready to help out.
Stoikov is coming in.
Kuroi is going to be able to scurry away and some mails in trouble.
He's used all the remnants.
He's got one more slide and fist, but it won't keep him safe from the stun.
As he dies, I mean, he's just trying to kill this hook wink now.
It's not an easy ordeal.
No, he's, honestly, he's owning.
Those two kills that he got early, he has snowballed as well on the support position.
He's got a full use already.
Are they going to try and do something without Sumet?
Okay.
They got him.
They kill Antep.
Be able to give to Witz as well, catching out Stoikov.
Finally gets himself something on the board.
Deso Stack acquired.
BKB is on the horizon.
Sven BKB is done and Big Mussood.
Stoikov, he's going to go a bit more greedy this game.
Don't blame him.
Doesn't want to go for the BKB versus these type of heroes.
He wants to find the angles.
Yeah, their lack of BKB cancel.
Shark has has it, right?
But again, it's going to be hard for Wich to get inside of some of these fights.
Little bit of a punch back though into the momentum to stop Stoikov.
How's Devise items looking?
The Yule's being picked up so early here for Kaori is going to be problematic for Dubai.
He is going to try to get to that BKB as fast as possible, but if you don't pop that BKB
every time, you're just going to get Yules in the air and you'll call every single one
of them times.
So itemization, liking what I'm seeing from Aurora.
LGD, as I said, going a little more greedy.
Both supports, in fact.
Snae's got the Blink Q'd, Theo's going for an Octurine, so it's about themselves.
on the side of Aurora, double yule setters.
Look, if you're a core on the side of Aurora,
you're like, I like my supports.
Yeah, the OGD is kind of everyone for themselves,
which can work out.
It can, it absolutely can.
The double yules versus the axe,
and if it always feels nice.
Skeeter, level 18.
Harpoon suit on the horizon, bottom, Kayori.
Kind of poking them, teasing them, he's got backup.
Now they really does WS ready with a black hole.
Hmm.
Then here comes that BKB, so they've got the double Aurora.
Very strong in the fight right now.
Sumail does have his BKB.
Alright, that's Naked, and almost certainly a dead Taylor Korsky.
He wants to keep pushing forward for this.
I'm out if he's supporting.
Both supports gone. WS getting the double.
Lots of stuns. Makes it a lot easier to get these type of kills for Aurora.
Every time they do see someone split up.
And that BKB for WS it's ready. If Sumail tries to jump into that fight there he's just going to BKB Black Hold immediately.
So, they'd be very careful on these cores.
Speaking of cores, Dubai.
Mira sees him.
There's no immediate follow up.
Starting to close in though, so if the Vy does stick around...
He's caught.
There's going to be time.
As Kira's in, after follow-up's done, have a fist to keep him out down.
Lagunaplay first comes through, another one for WS.
Alright, this Nix assassin is destroying them.
See, Mare, I think so much work again in this game, even though he's 0 and 6.
He's setting up for every one of these kills, giving the information that...
Yeah, they're scared, you can feel it on LGD.
DIA's top tower is under attack.
Really cool approach as they've gone for here.
I'm glad to see a little bit of a difference, because I feel like we've been seeing just its Willow, Marana, it's the same exact supports and majority of these games.
This is one of the few teams that we've seen play Nix.
And I think one of the other teams I saw play Nix, it's been some time, but it was when 9-class was even playing it too.
It sure, that was a while ago, right?
So maybe there is some more specialty to these type of heroes, if you can get them out of the lane.
Lovely seeing a lot of power in it
GG
What is what is sort of the time that they're waiting for it or is it just kind of avoiding a roar completely because you are going for
These sort of self-sufficient greedy of builds that you don't really want to be rolling into a team fight anytime soon
It feels very similar to the last game it were
Nothing's that they're not doing much for the last six seven minutes right there again
their triple BKB times and then they're hoping that the triple BKBs can carry them versus the fights because it's so much control, but
The execution has to be there and it really wasn't in that last game in comparison
But yeah, it's got to be around that timing
First with the triple BKBs, but it's not the end-albeal answer versus that line of auroric lineup
In fact pretty decent versus BKBs with the Sven in the enigma
Army time. They can do this one very effectively in safe, war cry, look at all that armor.
Even some of these squishier heroes not taking that much damage.
And that's a really nice one to get for free.
You never really want to buy this one, but now having it for free is going to allow them to bypass those backlines even easier.
easier. Theo, very aggressive jump forward. Surprised he didn't get punished immediately
for that there. He stepped up again. Okay.
It's a male by the side.
It's not a few.
Beautiful, I mean, for Kory.
Catches the two and the Wits and Divy gone immediately.
And the Black hole there to lock down some.
I mean, it couldn't have gone any worse to start that fight, really.
Finding Wits and Divy there with that angle, Kory.
An absolute nightmare on the whole wing this game.
He is owning an LGD just all over the place of it here.
Seeing the clear differences at least in terms of team strategy, macro movements.
macro movements, Aurora just looks one, two steps, maybe three ahead of them.
Now, every single time, getting completely crushed.
Yeah, and they're just standing on top of each other there too, right?
Like the two cores, Divy and Witz get caught by a double stun like that.
Oh, and another one for WS, he finds Snake, trying to TP out in the trees.
Yeah, just not much going their way, well, now at this point.
Ah, Snake, he might...
I'd be able to make them work, I mean, that was the TP's already used,
so he won't have any way to get back to the rest of the team or his side of the map.
Skeeter might say, let me kill my ex teammate.
Let's say Mira is gonna see him.
He'll just take it.
Fair enough.
Blink Dagger now finished up for Mira, because he just finished the Jules not too long ago.
And yeah, just I like their play, I like their itemization and
the LGDs is leaving something to be desired.
I just don't come in together for them today.
No, and I...
I like the octane build that I really don't like this I'm gonna be real
I feel like this is like this pub kind of style build where you're
This is what you do when you've muted your teammates right? Yeah, I don't really like this
Obviously with the hero it's good. It's a good item
You're not helping it your your teammates were like which was a strong having the biggest struggle ever so
Would I like to see him at least try to build some more supportive type of route, but not gonna be the case they have to accept that
And if I feels like he's been like he's been like 500 gold from his BKB for 10 minutes now
Got installed multiple times
Roars looking good, I know the first the first day me and you covered them
They had some shakiness, but now it seems like they've gotten some of that out of them
You know Stoikov started to mesh with them a little bit better here
Looking to be a bit more comfortable too with them this game sure a couple deaths
Let's still just find in terms of how he's playing, you know, that last game he owned
on the storm, which nobody else has been able to do.
Mira giving information.
Quickly gets out.
Alright.
BKBs, they're done it.
Oh my goodness, did I just see that?
Kyori has a Wind Waker.
That means massive.
So the heroes...
Last few fights.
Even if they do try to call and focus that one target, he might still be able to save
them too.
He really is owning. Even his Jekiro, his play was really nice on it in the last game.
I mean, all in all, the sport duo has been very hot for a while in this series.
So, Mel, they buy him a gem to ensure some protection versus Mira. Oh, if he gets caught
here, they're gonna find him. He's got the gem, so he'll see them. Okay, he'll be safe.
If he doesn't do it exactly like that, he dies. If he has to slight before doing anything else, if he clicks any other button, he probably just dies.
Controlling the area with the bombs, this is the power of the Octurine, where you're looking to fight around this area, but it just doesn't happen that often versus some of these front teams.
What comes next, you could use his hands on the other core and we'll be able to take him down.
And here's the other problem, Mira can just run into bombs and clicks by carapace, which he did right there.
She did right there.
They're knowing anything about playing techies,
and they will clear out every one of those bombs
that he put down, because there are also Idleons.
I mean, that's rough.
I mean, that just kind of makes the alt-tree
and feel even rough.
It does not feel good at all.
Because you've invested, as you said,
in the ability to be able to set up this sort of area,
and they got the counter for it.
They'll literally, you'll die.
You can blink into them and carapace.
That thing's not coming together today for LGD whatsoever,
or really having that number.
And a very similar vein to the...
Now this one much more so than the last one,
but this one, right, like from the 15-minute onward,
they have just been completely smashing this game.
But this one, yeah, more so, because Witt's...
they have not really let him have any game.
Sure, he's recovering at least a little
in terms of net worth here, but now it's
Divy who's completely sacked because of it.
And just a tough, tough road to climb.
Into BKB Black Hole with an agonimus,
With literally no stuns
That bottom divide found again
Oh, he clicked the distill they're not the wind waker you can have their theory oh
Meant some help they're gonna get the catch on em
We'll see we get the charge get the BKP off there won't be able to interrupt the black hole this time
We're seven to put a stop to it
I'll go straight up the walls WS trying to run him down
Now, he's going to be kept safe, but Witz has to be cautious now with his BKB about to come to an end.
So they do at least stop too much going down off the back of the black hole, this time finding the chance to cancel it.
Yeah, a little awkward there from WS, he actually didn't even catch Sumail, he already got the slide off, so hesitated on him.
Oh, and he's still going to get caught by the light strike.
Witz, he's showing himself, but I don't know how much he wants to do that, it's going to be the buyback from Sumail to try and get something out of this one.
There's the slight change on our story companies, but the PKB still got this Aegis for 15 seconds anyway.
Oh, they lost their gem off that move too.
Tried to strike back to get anything there from Aurora, because they used a lot, but can't even...
And yeah, just an awkward move there from WS, but either way, they cancel the Black Hole, but it doesn't net them too much extra at all, and I see it just ends up hurting more.
Sumail, look at that eye back.
They're smoking, they're trying to find something.
Black Hole on cooldown, God Strength coming back up in about 10 seconds.
Let's see if they can find anybody here.
Kaori is the same level as Sumail.
I might find him. They will!
Oh my god.
I'll have to live a little longer but they'll get him.
It's something, but again another just support. They're not getting core kills.
Can they turn it into anything else?
Ag's now finished up for Wits, he still has the half duration on this amp damage, should
at least be able to fin- I mean top tower is just dead, so.
Will they be able to turn it into any other kill though?
Doesn't look like it with how Aurora is starting to gather back together.
And now Theo is going to go back for Eul's, so.
Still growth for the side of LGD.
Still can get, obviously, a lot more items on their course to be able to take these fights,
just hard to execute versus all these stuns and get hard to deal with Skeeter.
He is really just the biggest problem, besides the fact that they do have, you know, this
BKB Black Hole.
Sure, they have to cancel with the cans, but it can be complicated.
His fend is the biggest issue and his damage is going to rip them apart if he's not addressed
and there is only one real thing to control him right, it is that claw because the Kaz
standing toe-to-toe with his fend at this point is dangerous
They aren't prepared until if anyone does try and make the jump on wits
Hmm
Stoikov getting to more fun territories as well the daggons are starting to roll out
What's somebody's age he could looking at which is HP it which isn't dangerous almost at one-shot territories
2,600 HP
And the major will help a little bit
Yeah, it is that much but it is doesn't even matter if you have a little bit of magic resist and it's gonna come from a tree line
I'm heading over now.
Divy has to blink back, force back into their base, Roche, 30 seconds until we do find out
for it.
Sumel will be able to finish his agonims.
Satanic about to be coming out for Skater though.
The tricorner is going, they're going to smoke out.
information on the map they don't have they really have like no words because
of losing their gem earlier too so yeah so hard for them to sort of find the
surprise angle against Aurora in Mira he's gonna spot them he sees them all
and the vise is going to jump back and attempt to control it just have some
mail here to assist there's a blink out so we get the spike carapace the blink
away they're too hesitant it's too scary they don't know where everybody else is
still have to back away WS wanting to control this triangle still for the team
that's a full-on terrain on the car it does well plenty coming in as well from
here on the enigma he is insanely farmed
one
one of them by a call
, they want to make for us to say they're ready to help out
of the KB to allow the body to all who wants to jam try to pick it up you will
Finally able to get Mira who's been so pesky in this game.
And we could still be here for a while too because there is a tacky with the Octary for the bomb so they do have ways to clear them.
As we said, the base isn't something that they're going to be so content to go toward on Aurora until they have a rush likely, which is up.
That's an interesting one to point out too. Skeeter does go for the stun this time.
Yeah, this is what I think I see more people vary with than others, but I've seen Skeeter
take the stun duration more times than the other, uh, more times than not.
Although most of the people I will still say it's like 75 plus on the God strike damage.
Aurora, looking to strike, looking for the team fight.
It looks like they'll just find a freebie at the start of it.
Nobody's gonna be coming over to help snagking
Snake is starting to gather some lotuses. I always try to point these out when games do slow down a little these heels can't matter
It does have a big one
And I'll sort of provide that action but a burst to keep with saliva lamp to get off a rep to dance
It's a year make the difference. It is very important now speaking of which he does have to blink dagger
So it should be more reliable to stop WS from getting black holes often WS
It's gonna buy him safety to get skin against the angle.
The Black Hole's dropped down on a wince.
It's three dead on LGD.
They may have killed WS,
but he got to do what he needed to.
So Mael's out of mana.
He'll fall as well.
Four dead on LGD.
Aurora, they can easily walk into the pit.
Take this, Roshan, they get the call,
but it's the fact that so far ahead, as you say,
Kori's ready with the save.
Buys time for WS to get off that little bit
of a Black Hole afterwards to lock Wits down
through the BKB and skeet up each and every time
able to follow up with an incredible amount of damage
because of how far ahead he is on the Sven.
Yeah, the Sven's too strong in the enigma,
even like a fraction of a second of a hole, it's enough.
That's all you need is one extra swing from the Sven
to finish off that target.
Yeah, I can't worry, it might be my MVP this game.
He is playing so damn well.
Maybe even the series.
He can take first blood every time
as yourself to play like this.
Yeah, he's been very clutched.
He'll be able to blink himself away, so get him once he's in.
60 seconds without some mail.
And it's true that wasn't the dieback earlier, so it's a very long time that he's off the table.
Full A on this call, so now for Mira.
Dubai?
Looks like he was thinking about something that isn't the Aegis.
Very dangerous.
And Lena doesn't care about no mines.
You have like, what? 70% Stip Magic Resist?
Don't hurt that much.
It's just executing, it's just good, Matt.
We're moving, just executing the fights over and over again on the side of Aurora
and just having Skeeter in a position to always carry, yet to die in this game.
I love watching me some spend sometimes crazy hits coming in from skeets up
doesn't even need the damage right the storm members thunder they should actually help
more last time as we saw there to keep them both controlled since he did catch the two
of them again and it gets his hands on wits close wits
Trying to give his team some information, God's a drink.
Yeah, they just can't go on this fed.
Blackhole's back up. If they go, they're just probably going to get blackholed.
Is that another full item coming out soon? It is. The Shiva's is now done for WS as well.
So in that last situation, if he had Shiva as the armor, that would just save him as well too,
him as well too versus the damage that was coming in. Then this AOE is going to be massive.
SwiftBlake now picked up critical master skeeter.
There's not much else gained in these last 10 minutes, it feels like for the side of LGD,
I don't think I don't see anything I've said I've been gained really. I saw that the divide went
went for the late consecrated raps and those that he has to be the one to go in
first yeah trying to do whatever he can to survive first we've seen even when he
gets the calls off if he's not catching the Sven I need to be his catch in his
fan Skeeter always is ready to just take him down in a matter of a few hits
when the God strikes up they're just so many stunts there's one there's always
Second follow up the bike. It's a call. It's not really gonna do much for them that no
25 K lead here for Aurora and two minutes to push on with the edges on Stokov when Skeeter props what craze of 50 armor
Stokov
still ages
showing on the front
So now
Maybe poke that Aegis out of Stoicov, but not gonna happen.
And still go for another call, pulling him into some bombs.
Drag him in pretty deep, does force out the VKB on Skeeter.
Ah, she used the fortification.
Also to hold back Aurora some out.
How hard do you want to chase?
Skeeter ready to heal up with the Satanic.
He doesn't have VKB, but he does have guard strength, and they do have everything else.
Stoicov.
So to let the stun in as well as the Laguna down on the Divi mirror with the pull-up stun control
Skeeter jumps forward, has been disarmed
Right strike, he's got many dodge tears, Divi is able to get the BKB off, he'll live, slight change bringing down Stoikov
Very very low, Smele will commit with the BKB to try and take at least that first life out of Stoikov
We'll get it, the Aegis is gone, Skeeter, and they go for round two, they're controlling it
Catch him with the change, they need more but the Black Hole comes in
Catching the three of them with Witsens and stepping into it in an effort to try and stop it.
Samel completely control Wits, trying to take WS down.
Samel will buy back for this, and then will kill the Enigma.
Can they get much more though? They've had to use two buybacks here, both Samels and Snakeings.
And Aron, they're not scared, Karori.
He's still stepping right up for the setup, over towards Samel.
Skinner's considering his next chance to jump in, and he'll find it.
Gets it on to Samel. Wits is dying back on Samel.
Witt's also likely to die on top of the parry, trying to get the raptor down, so if the light strike comes in for his Stoikov,
he's got a buyback available, but it's just two versus the four of them, Witt will jump in, this time round will get the raptor down,
so if the bushwhack catches onto him, he hasn't got enough to kill on Stoikov, he'll look for Sina, but Stonk controls there from Mera,
Stoikov gets another staking a fall, this game's over, Gigi is called Aurora, taking this 2-0,
And looking to be just sort of completely different level today against LGD
LGD looking pretty lost here, Paul. Yeah, just leaving quite a bit to be desired
But man Aurora, I love the way that they've been playing it
K-oriented want to just point this out at the end there
Did he showed up to this last fight with a BKB on the hood wing too?
I love to see these itemizations, but overall yeah items gameplay drafts really solid from Aurora good macro movements
Things are connecting and yeah for LGD. They got some stuff to fix
They really do and she said Aurora had some of these issues earlier in the tournament band performances like this
They're looking better than ever excellent stuff from Aurora. It's 2-0 for them
And it felt like they had a lot of fun doing it as well
Of course, especially a Kory started with the with the two kills the first blood and the kill afterwards
And I think he just he'd gone a high lacrosse. You never let that go
Yeah, this girl was really high in this one like the place that he was making it does help her
This is why we talk about, you know, the snowball effect in some of these lanes where they were unable to, like, interior, this is a strong lane, playing Techies plus Axe,
but we have seen it time and time again, where teams are picking up this win as a counter to Axe, where he doesn't actually die to him getting a cold,
because he has such an insane amount of HP as well, and does really well in the lane, so it feels like this lane was supposed to be like a win.
to be like a win. We talked about the sidelines for LGD to be super strong mid lane. Not going
to be a win, but they played with the supports, tried to make something out of it. But Aurora,
she was like, today they were just the better team.
I mean, pretty much, right? It's like, even in the bot lane, when you have the CM and
the Kez, they're doing pretty well. The Kez has good farm. CM leaves, he comes back,
oversteps his mark, and they get secure, and everything just feels uncomfortable for LGD.
It's like, there's clearly something happening within the roster that stops them from just
playing the game is like they're over thinking maybe there's like a lot of
respect being given that all I'm playing with someone all I'm playing with
snaking or I'm expecting divide to do like this clearly something happening
because they're not just playing the game they're doing all these other things
but for Aurora series after series after series like they are becoming a much
stronger team and I'm really happy to see that progression because when we have
you know the likes of Yandex sitting in the playoffs already XG finding their
the team. We're not going to
be able to perform post T I like
we need some big hitters in the
playoffs. Yeah, we need we need
people to pose a little bit of a
challenge for for Yandex and
Aurora on the right track to do
that. It also feels like an I
know Stoica was a stand in for
the squad, but it does feel like
today he looked a lot more
comfortable than he did in some
of the other days and on his
Lena, the performance against
play like not too many emotions completely focused on what he's doing and his performances speak
for itself considering that he is playing one of the goats in Dota and still going toe-to-toe
even beating him in the matchup but to me the standout player was this little rat right here
because he was popping off he had 28 minutes wind waker this is your position it's not even your
position four it's your position five somebody gets an issue there on by a call or you see
Wits trying to go in, stack up some of the damage with Kez, it just doesn't work.
I mean, Keori, he's always the 5 that has a way to wave clear, alright?
Like between his Phoenix, which was, you know, his iconic hero,
the Jukiro, the Wyvern that we see currently,
like other than SD with Shadow Poison not so much nowadays,
like he is a wave clearing 5,
and I love the fact that like his mentality on certain heroes,
like I need the hex on the Phoenix back in the day.
Now here, it's like, I can do it.
I mean, there's still a winmaker against Axe.
Why not break the game and I'm sure Skid is pretty happy looking over his shoulder and going,
oh my god, what are you doing?
Yeah, and on the other side of the team, there was someone that wasn't very happy and you
know, it's an age of competition, we've got to highlight that too, Lekof.
Yeah, that is right, Shever, and I'm not actually sure what you're at.
Oh, you?
We're going to see what's going on.
No, we're going to see what's going on.
Oh, we're going to see what's going on.
That is right.
Twitz is not going to be having a good time because if you look at the difference between
two of them what they were able to do and how Aurora played around the you know
just to punish wits because they know that this is the hero that came get them
back into the game it's just not working out he has been scouted many many
times by this Nick's assassin throughout the whole game not afraid to use a solo
black hole on him just to get a kill while all this is happening Skeeter he
is farming on the other side of the map and you can look at the difference he's
even you know having good but more lassits which should happen especially
because he died two or three times, kill participation, even more you're trying to get something done.
But Skeeter, 16 minutes in, if you look at his items, Bling Dagger, Mask of Madness, Echo Saber, this is when Sven gets ready.
Yeah, I mean, like, seeing the clips that you showed, right, the map state, there was no top tower taken against Skeeter.
Like, he had freedom to farm there if he wanted to go farm agency, and there was nothing stopping him from doing his job.
Meanwhile, all the clips you showed is like, Aurora, they're the ones applying the pressure, they're the ones making the moves, they're the ones killing.
When you look at LGD's lineup, they have to hear us to do it.
When the lanes don't go well, of course you need to play a bit more of combat,
but still, two games in a row, you're not seeing that kind of get up and go energy from them.
No, we saw that coming out from Aurora for sure, from the get-go already,
and we get to talk to the one and only Skeeter about all of that.
He's joining us there. Hi, how are we doing? Congratulations, of course.
Hi, guys. Thank you.
My first question, how sad were you that you could not kill Snake King
as first blood it was so close you were so close i'm used to it like back on my team he was also
stealing all the first blood so nothing new happening my post-life took two kills so i mean
that must set up for a pretty comfortable lane for you after when hero gets to two kills you're
like okay you know all good yeah i mean honestly this match was pretty hyped because it's first
time falconing against falcon players playing this season so it was kind of like a who was right
I mean, it's it's also like so different because he played the Falcons for so long and this team is like so different and suddenly had all these new heroes on my team.
Yeah, and we are so we asked Amara about that yesterday as well because he said, and I want to ask you about this and how you feel with that in mind.
He said that he kind of still feels like like a standing on Gatindex. It hasn't fully hit
He's like obviously playing with the team and it's going well for him
But he feels a little bit like he's still on Falcons and he's just here for one tournament and then he's he's gonna go back
How's that for you? Yeah, it feels surreal. I feel like I'm kind of
Rero-learning Dora like the concepts and everything is so different and honestly, I'm kind of still getting used to it
So I feel some nerves
So it's like a yeah, I don't know it's like being in you on the scene again. It's so weird
Are you the one who's like feeling nervous?
Because like you shouldn't be feeling nervous in the first place because you are one of the more experienced one
Hey, how local are you when it comes down to you know playing good now with the different coach with a different five in a lane?
What's the dynamic like?
to be honest, I'm kind of just like
Taking more like late-back approach
I'm kind of just observing how this team functions because it's basically the same team as last season.
So I'm trying to just, you know, understand how they function and kind of like fill the holes
that they need to leg improve.
Because we also see you at the end of games, we see you stand up and make sure you
fist bump everyone and, you know, get the vibes up. Is that something that you do consciously
or is that just some, like, is it just a habit that you keep up?
Yeah, I told them like before thermos started to not be like shocked that I come to each player
I have to lost or win just to like this pump them, you know, and I'm trying to like become their friends and you know form some bonds
It's good vibes. Those good vibes are translated on camera. So it was very very much appreciated. Yep. All right, congrats
Skidder, you're very well known for a specific hero pool now that you've escaped falcons and of the are we coaching?
Do you feel like you're going to slowly expand on that hero pool show us some kind of
specialties of the past and even Aurora is kind of pushing you to try new stuff?
I mean no one is pushing me yet, but it feels different because the offline pool that WS has
compared to Amar are completely different play styles. So that's why I'm saying I'm kind of like
real learning Dota because it's so different when you're playing and has like a you know when you
go from someone like Amar to WS. So only time will tell but I definitely will have to like try to
expand. I have a question regarding one of your favorite heroes it's the CK I
got to ask because we saw one CK so far in the tournament it didn't do too well
what are your thoughts on this? I wish they would make the map smaller so heroes
like CK can shine because I feel like these more like fight-oriented carries
are like thing of the past but we shall see. And then another question in regards
to you kind of you and your new team of course when you have replaced Nightful
who historically is a very vocal carry, who likes to take over in intense moments.
Do you feel that you need to feel that void of communication,
or do you believe the Aurora players are doing a very good job at being the kind of
the leaders? Do you think communication has to be something that you focus on in this team?
I feel like they're honestly very mature, they're all super talented and good players,
so they know what they're doing. They usually call what they need to call.
I don't really need to do much. Sometimes I give directions in teamfights in a game,
but it's nothing out of ordinary, I would do the same with Falcons.
I would say from day one to today, the way that you're moving as a team,
even when the axe picks up his blink dagger, you made that initiation,
but then you all kited back understanding that the axe could make the play.
I don't think you were doing that on day one, but today you have.
So is that something that you've spoken about over the three days,
or is it just natural improvement of high school players?
Yeah, we sat down together because we didn't have any scrims before this tournament.
Literally just every game is like, you know, basically practice for us
So we sat down and we talked about like how you want to play map and how you want to play fights
And we are basically just laying like the foundation on how you want to play
All right, thank you so much for taking time to talk to us skid it congratulations
Looking forward seeing what you guys have to offer in the playoffs
Enjoy your day off which I know won't be a day off for you because you will still play in scrim a lot of Dota talk a lot of
like a new squad. You're still gonna be, you know, like, like you changed the school pretty
much. You're gonna be the new kid. Yeah, we can take a look at the standings as well because
yeah, Aurora made it through. And I know that I know this Skeeter and Amar both want snaking to
make it out of the group stage as well. But there's still one more day to play for them. And of
course, they have to win them as well because we have come to almost the conclusion of the group
stage. One more day for us, but a couple more teams locked in. Three more teams locked in today
with Navi, Aurora and Gamer Legion. I'm just gonna say, I'm really happy. You know why? Because
we are seeing Gamer Legion finally reaching the playoffs as well. And this is something that they
have like not managed to do. So for a really long time, I would say the other team is also Navi
because this team also came in so close. So many times this team starts with like 2-0 and then
they end up with 2-3 in the end in these Swiss tournaments and right now they managed to win
a big opponent against 1-W. They kind of fell back. I would say that the ideas that they did have
with these like mid laners, this is how they play around. Niku Niku gave us a really good interview
you today, but it's just a fearless like these are like 18 year olds that play their own style of
data sometimes like oh man shit it just didn't go the way that we expected and then they come back
but also glad that they won with that mid undying and also it's a bit of a statement coming forward
into the tournament. I'm just a little bit of sweet looking at the 2-2 matchups like the Nemesis
versus the Conventus Dalarum one it's like I think both of those teams have had a group stage where
I want to see them in the playoffs like what can they do of course?
Lorna from the mid lane on Sonarum the nemesis in general just being like the
Standing team that's like putting up a fight against most of their opponents the fact that we only get one of them
It's like a bit of a shame and we only get one of each a line of teams and
All matches pretty evenly matched and to be fair. I didn't think I was gonna say that at the
the first series of the day if you'd asked me a couple days ago, but it does feel like
peeps Creek plus four, they're showing up. And one win is not as much. Yes, it seems
like peeps Creek plus four, they are playing better as tournament progresses. But one win,
they still have some of the issues that they definitely need to fix. They're very hit or
miss so far. And it's going to be an interesting one. I don't know. Like I would say, if you
asked me before the tournament, you know, peeps Creek, they're gonna get destroyed by
some of these better tier one teams that have been playing the previous seasons like winning
tournaments. But now I'm not really sure. I mean, the problem with one way is they play to the level
of their opponent, even with the stand in that they played with before, like they're not coming
into a series like a Yandex or Roars, like this is my Dota, like they're coming in and they're
going even the battling their way, even in the winds that like clawing their way first, like
They're not playing their Dota, which is surprising when they're the roster that stuck together. Again, stand-in, but still.
With a team like this, they're underperforming quite heavily.
Yeah, and I think the last series of tomorrow, Maus vs LGD, will be
especially telling for both of those squads as well, because those are basically both new teams.
See how much they've learned.
Yeah, Maus as a stack, this is also not what you would expect to happen, because they won one of the Valakias,
they wanted to with quite a lot of stands and standards as well. And this squad seems
to be picking up the pieces slowly, giving the slight edge to LGD being the more experienced
team. But we have seen these dark horses, these underdogs winning tournaments, especially
you know, you have boom on the squad as well. And the rest of the squad seems to be gelling
in well as well. They do, they do a lot can happen tomorrow. As you saw, there is only
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