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[A] LGD Gaming vs. Aurora Gaming - PGL Wallachia Season 9 - Group Stage - Round 4 High Matches (2-1)
09-23-2026 · 9h 39m
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nizme gaspis soare seida ovesen senso
sesnire ba de peca cair rai rai
senci eba de petat nai ubi cimare bese
Ooooo...
Aaaaaaah...
Apparo de Rudy,
Apparo de Rudy,
Saie su Shihudi,
Saie su Shihudi,
Rude cu kodica,
Rude cu capica,
La, la, la, la, la, la, la...
Papa Rudi Rudi!
Sai Sushi Rudi!
Ute pu u chouru, ute pu u chouru!
Seh kras ke pi chouru, seh kras ke pi chouru!
Oh
you
you
you
you
you
It's not just the thingy.
Oh, they're actually gonna go far, see why I'm in.
A power shot?
A power shot to follow.
Toss, not quite enough damage.
Focus Fire coming from Jackie Boy as well.
He's gonna go far.
He's gonna go far.
He's gonna go far.
He's gonna go far.
He's gonna go far.
He's gonna go far.
He's gonna go far.
He's gonna go far.
from Jackie Boy as well. On the outskirts of this tower, it looks like Jokun can finish the job eventually.
The first team of the game onto the windrunner. So Faye making a good rotation.
Two for two at the moment. It's awesome to try to delay, but Jokun goes down to the star server.
Mobe looks to be next. He's burning to that scorched earth and right clicks to follow.
Stack for Jack. And the speed is going to get the nightmare.
Sun strike again. Not gonna be that much fallout because of the bush
right's gonna delay but big num is on the other side with the impale.
You just need to get some blocks, they get the hex and fade. They might just be able to kill them with the supports.
It's gonna be close. Jackie does find the distance it looks like.
Impale's coming. No. Somehow.
They hit. No. That's close. It's got it available. You can do it. You can do it.
Scan him.
Oh, baby!
They've been the butlers welcoming the playoff teams to the rest of the world.
Will!
Yes!
Would you like to get into something and game a legion, Scott?
Would you like to stop them with that, Heidi-chan?
Oh, well, on to two.
Meteor's coming over to get the flash, Jack Whip off.
Maybe his feet are brand new.
He's dead.
Inside his feet, baby.
They're going to get the fuck as well.
That'll do it.
Surely.
GG's called.
GG's called.
I don't know if I'm actually talking about it, but I was at 8th stage, and I was low on health, so good.
Oh, they're leaving us out.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no way. No way, Lord.
And they have no kids, because these people...
Both have been claimed. Not a bad son from Kakao.
Try your first, cause you have to beat to the anise attack completely.
I don't know if you've got a guard like you absolutely have to go the catapults are in
his wall and there's a band of layards down to a fight who would be forced if they're
going to stick around the real world for crates in case.
There's a guard who's wonderful, Lord not able to make it back in.
He's going to die as well.
Jesus, Claude, and the Cold Wilders, they will be eliminated from P.T.A.L.V.L.O.K. this season, 9CBS.
the time.
If you use it to be so chemical, the malnutrike is going to be dead.
I plan to use the right way, but the damage is backing up, and no, it's actually going
to get no health back enough.
Let's play this 75% pot with a little bit of health, because they're going to tear
in the palm of reading the answer.
Fine, they're going to do it.
Why?
Are they able to think of the perfect position before the smoke pops?
They could jump on the frame, not the best target.
It was important to me to think of a bunch of damage in a park on the right side.
It'd be all good to be yours.
To kind of waste the accuracy and means that park is going to have an opportunity to pop the BKB.
I don't think you can do it.
What?
When you got BKB off, but is that really how you want to use the BKB in the end?
And when it expires, you've got both your ultimate charges going down to the bottom of side features there.
That was...
What can happen to Iced?
This is another alt for Alphys.
Oh, I'm not really going to do too much.
They bring Niku down rounds.
If you look, 33 does get a pretty hot black hole here
down on the tree at them.
Locking down the bear plus Niku and Reddy's.
And that will do the job.
Now, Rough Game 1 and a Rough Series yesterday,
they have strike back very hard.
And they get 33 points.
And he's not going to play back,
so he's not going to be able to make any sort of last-ditch attempt play.
Play with a black ball, Shad's caught out.
Moments away like we've dropped, one went tapping out of this one.
If he goes for the shrine...
Oh, he really knows he could have been.
Silent though.
Letting that time to build up.
As you probably now looking for the doom, finally throws it.
A lot of damage for this.
We pull the braces there.
Never gonna lose them.
Pikes dead.
Willow's gone.
BKB the attempt to get out.
And now popping that Dark Ascension.
Trying to fight back.
I'm feeling like that's his only option.
It's a triple kill.
And a Winter's Curse now saving Morellis.
I'm trying to sell them off.
Dude, now, onto the Drow, BKB, Song is there, they've got the control.
They're going to follow this up as Rolling Thunder is still going on, but now they're
following this up with one storm to damage the kill.
Drow, god, no fireman.
I have to get some big fights to get it to Grover, and get a lead in fact.
They're trying to set me up.
There's a good opening to start the playoff.
They'll come in with a vacuum onto the tree, and then they'll take down Thiel the Core,
and they'll buy and sell.
That's the combo they're looking for.
I'm nearly there. I can one of just the one jump.
Don't go, no he's going to tease back in a minute. I've got the shackle and it's huge
amount down to the middle. I'm going to get over the three of them into the wall.
It's a beautiful combo here. Again and again from Aurora. It's going to be another team wipe.
And Aurora, now I'm scared, Chloe. He's still stepping right up for the set of over the
wards, Samel. Skid is considering his next chance to jump in and he'll find it.
find it, gets it on to Samail. Wicks is dying back on Samail. Wicks also likely to die on
turn with a parry, try and get the raptor dance off. The light strike comes in from Stoikov.
He's got a buyback available but it's just two versus the four of them which will jump in.
The Stoikov will get the raptor dance off, the bushwhack catches on to him,
he hasn't got enough to kill Stoikov. He'll look for Sina, Stoikov controls them from
from Mirror, Stoikov gets another snake in the fall.
This game's over, Gigi is called.
.
Welcome to the two fans.
It's PGL Valhalla season nine.
And of course, that means today is going to be the judgment day.
We're going to see who's going to the playoffs, who's going home,
and who's going to be sad because they're going home.
These guys aren't going home.
They're going to be with me.
when I said either the day and never sat it is of course Jenkins you know him
you're a guy he's in a very serious mood today because I bought him pumpkin spice
latte oh my god I got it wrong I got his coffee order wrong so you know we're
just gonna we're gonna have to deal with it the producer got his pumpkin spice
like sepsis in my ego and I'm not sad about it's good anyway so we got we got
the game of Dota 2. How are
you both today, apart from the
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Had a good night of sleep and
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Very happy watching Dota, my
absolute favorite game.
Shout out to Relic Arena, but
Dota is the best game ever made.
Correct.
Just very stressful to play,
but to watch for a fantastic
time.
It's great when you're on the
sofa from a distance, not
having to worry about your own
MMR.
So why don't we take a look at
what happened yesterday?
Well, just in general, actually,
it's not just yesterday, but we
We have updated it with yesterday's results out.
You can see that we've actually had a very interesting kind of road to where we're at today on Judgment Day.
A few surprises guys, any that leap off there?
Yeah, I think the first one for me, I don't know if you talked about it before, but playtime going 0-3,
maybe somewhat expected maybe, but it still saddens you when you think about players like Yuma and KJ, who did well in the last season.
I gotta be honest with you, Kazoo, I think they were good enough to go to the playoffs
and that 0-3 at the very least, says to me, there was just something going on.
It's like a vibe.
I was thinking maybe they can go 2-3 or squeeze in the 3-2, but yeah, 0-3, that was not the one.
I mean, they kind of got cocked at the end of last season.
Let's just be real, like the whole situation surrounding them is very unfortunate.
That's going to be difficult to bounce back from.
I don't doubt that they will though.
I really don't it's the it's the first tournament after TI, you know, we don't we don't know how much of the roster is set in stone
I'm sure there's a lot of a lot of offers going around and these guys are unbelievably talented
So I think I think they can do it. Can I present my surprise to you Andrew?
And then you as an intelligent doda to analysts talk about it on my behalf. Yeah, okay extreme
Yeah, I mean I I think a lot of people what are watching their TI performance and comparing it to the
PGL performance number one
You know you got Jing you on this team. I feel like that helps that helps a lot just a time like
This guy might straight up be the best player out of China
Right now at least for the last few years and I think it's shown that when he
Leaves a team and then joins another one and then all of a sudden that team is top tier competitive and the other
the game. So it's a lot of
different things. The
other is not so much like this
is almost back to the dream
team that got second place at
T. I. Yep. And we do need it
and look, I saw a lot of
people initially they didn't
look impressive in that like
first game. They were playing
a very a macro nistic style of
Dota two and people were a
little bit worried because
keep talking so I could like make sense of it. So an anachronism is something that doesn't belong in
its you know current time period. It's okay that's out yeah it's like uh and it should be belonging
like the Viking era or something. We could do Atavistic if you prefer that's like a throwback
to a previous e-bill. Yeah it's like a throwback. So saying extreme being three and O is whatever
term you just use because they don't belong there. Well no the first style they played they played
four protect one around army and I don't think you can do that these days. I think that is the
the atlavistic style it's it's true i i think that's like maybe a term that is a
little bit outdated in a way because i think good daughter is just when you're
ready you're gonna play and join your team so it's not as much as like oh this
guy is the plus one therefore you just go hit crease for half an hour and i think
army has improved he's doing well they're playing well so zeal has also surprised
people yeah it's a surprise me at least like i thought zeal was a very good
player especially from the first few seasons where he was playing he looked
really really good kind of fell off for a bit but now like dude he looks absolutely back in form
he's carrying this team hard now the next graphic and the next topic we're gonna talk about is
something I can identify with it's the long flying back I was gone I was gone in 2017
but he's too old he's too fat maybe even bald but then one of those things changed many guys
Yeah
And now it's so so back things you think a Navi got a surgery
Yeah, I mean they so they they were Navi jr. When they
I thought of the jr. They were yeah, they all the other Navi's before that point that you can see in the
PGO alakias are like yeah, you're a g
So for them, it's been a long time for gamer Legion. They literally have not made it to the playoffs of PGL Milwaukee ever there was nouns and they had a couple of the same players, but I feel like the identity of the team, it wasn't really the same.
That was like the gunner. That was like the gunner nouns, right? That was a different team than gamer Legion, which I feel like is more also being managed by you know, PPD and all of that stuff.
Yes, yeah, that was that was that was the good days. That was an error. That was a great
But but I'll also say this as well
I mean, I'm super happy to see nobby, you know
We interviewed Niku at the end of our shift yesterday
And he said they were super happy to make it to the playoffs of a lack here because they've been here like eight times
They won't need to meet once before this like the second time or something
They're just like a team and players. I think that express their like gratitude and happiness
You can just see that they're young kids still like it brings you back
I think it leads a little bit to when we were probably all playing like our games
You know you come home from school you turn on your PC. It's the first thing you do you play for 10 hours cool
Yeah, did you go to school? No, he did not go to school. That's not true
I went and eventually skip but you know, I don't want to talk about them like cuz I don't know like that's need to skip school
Maybe not he's really good. Come on. Do you place on diamond? He skipped school for sure
Yeah, I actually used to skip school to play video. It makes sense. That's why we're here. No, yeah
keep it up. Well, he's from like the COVID era, bro. He's not he's going to school online.
He doesn't know what online school is. It's his iPad. Now look, we're talking a little bit about
game religion. We had speed join us. It was a great interview and we got a little bit of insight
into him. He's such a great ambassador for the game and a super chill guy in a region that has
contracted. But we want to talk a little bit about the the meta as it pertains to his thought process.
Yeah, and like also what happens nowadays in Dota is that things get copied very quickly, right?
Like when you when you see something cool happen when you see something very good being played by a team
Which here at Yandex they played this nature's prophet
Dazzle in their opening series against mouse and then they played it against Navi and they stomped Navi
In like 20 minutes. Yep. And the way that Dota works nowadays when you see this
As the other teams and you feel the strength and you see the power you will immediately try to adapt and copy it
And look, these are the ones, right? So I think, if I remember, Speed's Tailist.
Didn't he have...
He had Nature's Prophet.
Yeah, yeah, the NP.
I don't think he had...
Which Doctor?
He didn't have Dazzle. He had OD.
Didn't love Dazzle. He had OD.
I mean, the Dazzle was a tough one. I think that's not like an easy one to read.
No, that fits with the Nature's Prophet.
Obviously, he had Darkseer.
Did he have the Monkey King on there as well?
I think that's three.
I didn't watch the videos like that.
I watched his logs, which are great, but this one I didn't see because he also was
Saying that that's also for his like YouTube audience, which is a lot of people playing pubs obviously
So he's tailoring it more towards that
But I don't know I feel like a lot of the time there is more overlap than these professional players think and sometimes the players
Who simplify it if you look at your Toro all the shit
He's playing in his pubs is what he whips out in his competitive
And this is the real surprise that the nature's profit in the dazzle
His ended up being the top safe lane combo as the tournament has evolved and I'm guessing that's predicated
What like primarily on the heel bomb with the little dudes?
Yeah, it's it's like definitely like you have the three ends with the heel bomb
They're super strong together also you can play very fast and also how Yannick's it is against Largo
The guy's like very slow
So you just take over the map and it just goes to show you that if one good team shows something the other teams will
Immediately try to jump on it and play it themselves
But sometimes you need to be able to understand it
So if you set them at obviously that's always the best instead of you copying it. Yeah, Navi got really shit on yesterday
He's trying to copy this right. I like how Niku just came straight out and said he's like yo, we try to copy like what terribly
We got owned by so we just tried it like dude fair enough bro
Hey, listen, he's got a pioneer the entire mid for the rest of the competition. So I'm looking forward to that
But for now, we need to talk as well about the uncontested heroes every patch
Mm-hmm. There's some people that fall by the way sides. You just you know, you know in favor some of these are bullshit by the way
I agree. Yeah, I can I'm looking at a big fat guy
With two heads and oh good 5% win rate increase
Where's he at? I know dude. Yeah, I'm right there with you. Let's get some ogre going
I feel like Pudge is actually good if we had like Yammich or nine class here
There would be some Pudge gameplay. I've seen him do a Noel Talisman build on Pudge. He'll start Noel Talisman or Noel Talisman components and you're just playing to like spam hook in the laning phase.
It's pretty good. For me, Tinker is absolutely playable. He's gonna get picked in this tournament. So last for Tinker.
Support or mid?
No, not mid. That hero's mid only.
If you played sub, you're late.
Wait, so support Tinker's no longer?
No, that's shit.
I mean, I never played these yours the technical ones. I just don't touch you have to get bags
Master on ogre if you can there's no way you can play tinker the robots put it one time one someone right retired
That's good. I that's good
I know the era you played tinker during when that when the bots were healing right? Yes, you'll say Nia insane era
think you're irritating to correct those were those were horrible they said that I I thought
we're a little bit more surprising perhaps and and and you know we've been at previous fallahias
where these like heroes start emerging at the end of a tournament and then they just don't seem to
chain through into the next one it's like people forget they're actually like you say playable
yeah it definitely happens I think from some of the other ones that were up there et is a hero
that I think is playable some things try that at the IFN cut to only maybe I don't know out of the other ones but that's one that sticks out to me
It depends on the players for sure because
E.T. is a very specific hero you have to have a guy that wants to play E.T. on any patch that will pick it fogged of course
Yeah, if it was fogged he'd get a rampage
But a lot of the time they're just not here like Chen as well
I feel like it's in a I was gonna ask about because I feel like T.V.L.A. here's ago
the team. I mean, I was
really good. And we've got
Chen specialists here on the
team. Three expect. Yeah, I
mean, I was gonna snaking is
the one that I would look at
to. And I think part of it is
that. These supports like
Marana are so high tier. You
have to pick them if they're
available to you. And who's
the Marana specialist on that
team at snaking, right? So he
just doesn't really have the
opportunity to play Chen. And
It's a PGL event. I am sad to say we only have the one stream today. Makes me so sad.
But it cuts. That's what it is. No, it's not. It's that there is only one streams worth a game.
So we've only put it on one stream. Normal service will resume. And this is the schedule that we've got coming up for you.
We're going to be talking about this one. One win versus Pip's squeak plus four.
I feel like we've followed one win's journey to what could be completion today.
today. Then it's going to be team Nemesis taking on Conventus Stalarum for
you Harry Potter fans out there and LGD gaming will be taking on Miles. I've
got to be honest I'll just say this before we start talking about the game
we're preoccupied with. Like LGD being on the last day? Yeah it's a little bit
sus. Like if you look at like the free tournament I didn't think you know that
XG would go like 3-0 that LGD would struggle this much but new season new
teams no one really knows what the hell is going to happen I mean that line up
should be through by now in my opinion that's just I'm saying that's sort of
two for you yeah I know and especially at the start of like I know it's only a
letter patch but a lot of people seem to think those minor tweaks don't change
stuff it changes everything I mean don't do such a complex game that all the
little parts that you know connect together even a slight change can make a
a big difference. That's right.
That's right. I'm just thinking you got Sumel who changed roles. You know, you got Devai
who hasn't played with a lot of these players before. It might just take them time to gel.
You know, so it's the first tournament. Like they haven't really played that many games.
And I also wonder for a lot of these teams, players won on a break. I'm assuming Sumel
who said he was going to retire, went on a break.
He also doesn't play pub, so he definitely was on a break.
So the question is, how many games have they even put in in the last week?
Whereas a team like Yandex, I feel like, what is walking?
I watched last night's game, and for me now, I realize the question mark is,
can wits sort of keep that composure?
The Kez game is unbelievably rough.
I think he can, but it takes time, especially as a young player,
which he is and playing with like different nationalities and different people also like even
snaking like he's played on the same team for three years and he's the captain I think he's
strong personality like like it's a change for the other players but also like for snaking you're
captaining for completely different people and a different coach yeah it's true so we're gonna
start setting things up Kazim you've got something to talk about oh we do because we like when usually
when you look at like a tournament you understand that one team is performing like this and like
Like maybe a player is like really much like a standout with like what's happening
So just like the overall KDA to put it into perspective like one win
They're not doing that hot like actually they have a lot of deaths on their subs
If you look at the top KDAs like Yandex and extreme they have
Insane performances on their players like Yandex are averaging like seven kills and assists for every death that they're receiving
Whereas if you look at one when I would say they're lower on the board pipsqueak even ahead of them
But like quite a bit because honestly this team I think they're being overall underrated
They've been grinding online for a long time because their name is pipsqueak plus four
It's true. You don't take such a stupid name and they have this little rat with comic sands in their picture
Can you explain that to me? No. Why'd they pick that?
They just think rats are funny. They just think it's they just think it's funny
I don't know. They're kind of are they're they are it's true rats are hilarious actually
They're just clowning around dude, and but the thing is they're seriously seriously good players. They're good
That's it. That's what I started with. Okay. He's there because I know I can go on about to see one win that low. I mean, you know
criticisms have been leveled in the past that maybe 33 teams aren't the most like kill heavy teams
They sort of like, you know, they suffocate you. Yeah, but they grind you out on the map and they make good moves
Sort of hasn't been happening
But then again, they don't have pure here who you would expect would boost that number, you know over shard shards a bit more of a
You know, that steady stable, not going to get a lot of kills, carry.
More of a tanky kind of carry.
But like, even if you think that this team doesn't kill a lot of players,
they usually don't die this much.
They look like quite out of comfort, like especially their supports.
Like, usually I hold R and Whitemon too, like a very high degree
in terms of skill and how the R is a support duo.
I think yesterday they really fell flat.
Could I put forward a theory?
Could it be that the supports they've been picking,
um
techies morana
These are supports that are more likely to be in the danger zone and and die quite a lot
I mean obviously one errant blast off from a techies and you are you know fubard
It feels like there's more going on than that. Okay, that has to be yes because just a suggestion
Yeah, just trying to cope l can I cope you can cope can I cope you can definitely cope you can definitely cope
I love coping you can even kind of
You can even kind of exceed on their cameras when they lose that they're not happy with their own performance
Yeah, you know that that's the thing is I don't think that these guys are like upset with each other
Maybe in the moment, but it happens whatever but after the game
I think it's more that they'll be very self-critical
And it does it does hurt that did not have pure because I feel like ever since they were
They have been this team that they're known for the game is going 50 50 or it looks like that but in reality they're farming way more than you by doing this cheesy bullshit on the map.
And if you have a guy that no sense to chat is just dying in the sidecamps while that's happening and all of a sudden this formation that you have where you're supposed to be farming a little bit more than the enemy team.
your carry dies and so they can now get a tower and now that formation that you had is a little bit weaker and then one more death
You lose another tower all of a sudden you can't even have that formation anymore
It it really hurts with their playstyle like this might be one of the harder teams to stand in for
In Dota right now. Yeah, and you can see these are the hero shot has been leaning into we haven't necessarily be being convinced by some of them
But even the ones that have looked poor
CK notwithstanding we won't talk about that
You know, even the viper and the spectator has picked up wins on them. Actually for me
Not to talk too much about one links. They do when I give some love to pipsqueak plus four is
They put so many resources into 33 and I just don't know if this patch is actually
The best for him. I think about all the times he's been a tear away
It's when doom is like obviously unbelievably strong
his visage when he pioneered the visage with the gold boots.
That was when Tundra were coming to Belayas
and just tearing through everybody
because nobody knew how to counter
what 33 was gonna do.
I think he's been kind of unremarkable
so far at this competition
because I don't think there is necessarily a hero
we can go to.
That's gonna give us that level of 33 performance
we usually get.
The fact that he's stuck on darks here
in half the games definitely doesn't help.
Well, and also, I mean, again, the Darkseer has been the biggest disappointment of the
back years.
Yeah, exactly.
And I don't think that's like particularly a 33 thing.
It's just that he's got to play it.
You know, he's the guy, like he's the Darkseer guy.
Darkseer is the hero of the patch.
His axe was incredible.
But look at the logo and of course, they're going to take that out.
They have to.
That's his best hero.
Of course.
So, you know, we saw him on the Enigma the other day.
It was a good pick.
game, but they were just
playing from behind the whole
time. Yeah, his team was
feeding a little too hard in
that game. Yeah, so it's really
tough. But anyway, let's talk
about who they're going up
against. The pipsqueaks plus
four. I mean, this is the line
up like when we were looking at
some of the funnier lineups,
the funnier rosters that have
been assembled to come here to
Valahia. We immediately said,
don't let the logo fool you.
This is actually a really good
an opportunity to go through against a very vulnerable one win in my opinion.
These dudes have been grinding online for quite some time and they've been winning qualifiers
against very good teams.
Speed mentioned it yesterday, they lost to Pip Squeak and game religion often makes it
to, you know, they don't bottom out at these tournaments.
They take games off of very good teams, but it's always, it's always last day.
They make it through the groups looking decent, at least.
So in terms of tiers, Pipsqueak is absolutely in the Tier 1 event, like Tier 2 caliber team.
Because there's the online qualifier teams that I would say are actually really Tier 3, Tier 4.
This is not one of those teams. This is an actual Tier 2 team. They have a funny name.
But their players are basically all the players that have stood in or had a good performance on other teams.
You have, you know, copy, Malik, like, these guys, they have a lot of history, and I did want to look at copy versus Rincey Q and just looking at their drafts a little bit.
Rincey Q, the later in the draft he gets picked, the more of an insane pop-up performance that he has.
His Kez, for example, is crazy if he can get it in a good game, whereas copy, he seems to be more of the player that you can trust to be just reliable.
just reliable when you when you pick him early he's playing stuff like pango dragonite ember obviously
if they can get it which they probably won't because it's probably it's the best it's the best hero
but he's a super super reliable guy almost like the the laurel of this team i would say we've also
got a really good play on words we haven't done a lot of fun since kezu joined below pipsqueak
plus four hours you see why i i see it actually i saw it yesterday because jenkins my boy he this
this guy does the good trap because. They have long matches and so we're in for a long
one. They're a scrappy team and God damn you'd think they're coached by Kuroki because
they will not give up and their late game is very, very good. They always seem to be
able to make a make a comeback. They always seem to be able to keep themselves in the
game like ecchi in my opinion is one of the most annoying position for players in the
last few years where I mean sometimes it looks absolutely silly where he's just like walking
in and feeding to you know enemy triangle something like that but then in other situations
he's cutting waves he's doing creep manipulation easy to forget when he had that period where he
stood in for boxing on liquids yeah and I think while there was certainly some games to forget
he had some games where he is high tempo play absolutely fit into that liquid style and he
was instrumental. He is a good bounty hunter player. That's true. That's his style. I would say that he's
like a bit of a it's not that common I think with supports but he's a polarizing support player
yet you either see him a lot for the good or you see him a lot and realize him in the game for
the bad in the game but also to what you showed with you know RunzeQ being last but having a super
high win rate and simply because his kez is so good I wouldn't be surprised if they like slightly
upgraded like maybe into the second phase just to like take it one step earlier before it gets
banned out and also like the coach of pipsqueak mag is actually this guy is a
fossil when it comes to the scene he played back in a day in Navi he's coached
like countless of Sunico teams that they always show up in the land then they
bomb out and they disband which is not his fault but like this guy has good
drafting also when the Avalos was good this guy was their coach I think there's
no surprise that you know this team that looks like they're an online stack
that they get to lands eventually and that they do perform very well because
they've got the skill and they've also got the experience behind them to back it
Yeah, so this is interesting because the bounty hunter is there
I mean I'm gonna see why the first pick so
Are we immediately unlocking a bounty here guys
It depends a little bit on them
Because like when you play against winter other things you can go for just like super high DPS
But this will usually come from like the offlaners with like some timbers some dooms
I do want to highlight pipsqueaks first-phase bands. I think when I play one win, these are the four heroes
Yes, I would I don't want to give them like exactly these four
Like if they first fix on winter wyvern or marana or something else
It's like okay, whatever. It's very playable
But any of these largos and vokers and like caudals don't don't hand that to them
Yes, second pick is actually really good against woman right now
It feels like because you get those four bands because if they get any of these heroes, it's pretty rough
because the opening I think for now for both teams is very chill they're
protected their winter wyvern with a dark sphere no nature's profit in the pool
we talked about the copy ember don't want to hand that to the other team either
so who'd win winter wyvern both teams are happy with the setup it's easy to
build on now the bands into the next picks I know this is gonna be so
unpopular I just think this dark sphere I don't know I'm telling you know if it's
worth a payment this stage I almost feel like it's bait you wanna stay on the
Hey train. Yeah, because the numbers don't lie. It's got like, uh, yeah 27 so win right by the way
That's up from yesterday was down as low as 23. You have to pair it with something
And and if you don't pair it with something you invariably lose. That's what this fly here is telling us
I think there's a lot of good stuff to pair it with though and the one awkward thing and why I really like these drafts is because
Yep, you're look at that. If you first phase it by the way, it's it's 16. Oh my god
That's kind of a thing. I think it for supposedly OP hero. That's beyond pathetic. It makes you
want to pick an entirely different style of drafting if you want to utilize it and
sometimes those other heroes are not what those players want to be playing and
This is kind of why I like you see here bounty hunters left in right? Why is it not picked?
I keep plays it a lot. He's very good at it because they don't want to reveal anything
They don't want to take the bait. They're just sticking with their comfort. If you if if you ask me like
What's the number one ecchi hero of all time? I would say it's hoodwink like this guy this guy is
Obsessed with hoodwink over the years. Yeah, so I kind of like that. They're like both teams
Are waiting to reveal stuff with their with their picks
Because if it's if you're gonna play BH, it's a BH game
You're committing entirely to I'm going to play a bounty hunter game if you pick hoodwink. It does nothing
It reveals nothing. It's just always good. It's just always good. You can pick any style of dota and it's okay
And continuing that fame a dark willow
Okay, I was uh saying all the stuff about ekki playing the hoodwink, but it will be
Ike playing the hoodwink and ekki will be playing the dark willow, which probably is not me. You were wrong
His number two hero still true
They're just like all most of the supports you see here even the marana that's banned. I will say that
just universally they are the best supports of the tournament they are very
good laners they're very solid like Jenkins is saying they don't reveal much
they're also good follow-ups everywhere so overall I think all of this does very
much check out and I'm happy to see this hero make out I would somehow call it a
comeback I think toward at TI you did see it a little bit you know here and
there like you're on Mars can play because obviously he is the best but now
there's more players that are going towards it and timber looks insanely good
Like the hero scaling is still absurd the scaling is nuts. I would say like the issue with timber is that
His early levels have been nerfed so hard that you need like all of his skills maxed out to do damage
His chakra mobile one is so shit
Yeah, you really need the level to before you can start actually contributing to fight
So the heroes a lot slower than it was before you still lane good because the passive is good
It's hard to harass him out. He's tanky, but he's not really pressuring all that much
So he's really like a late game scaling guy and in the previous patch
He really suffered to this hero exactly. This is exactly what I was gonna say SF was so good at owning Timber
You could never pick him in the off lane. I don't think it's that way anymore
I don't know. Yeah, I was gonna say they're gonna bring the stat up
One of the worst heroes after lahir. This is like the same thing and like him and dark share like in the same boat
They were like two of the best heroes at TI and then they go here and they can like this guy
isn't even breaking 15% win rate. What's happening? Like, the nerf wasn't that insane
that it should be this low. I mean, I refuse to believe that.
You can't just turn around and batter someone to death like you used to. I mean, it's relatively
significant with the... Yeah, but it's still like, obviously, like the hero is still good
in this type of scenario. You know, you play, it's good against Winter Wyvern, it's very
good against Timur for all the reasons we've been saying. And I think it's also like a lot
about the overall setup obviously you need a capable SF player because the hero is
volatile when it comes to teamfights so you need to understand like when to go in
what you're gonna do but also the Earthshaker pairing I like it quite a
lot here copy has had a insane tournament on this hero and shaker also is a
little bit on the up I think this hero has looked very strong
well they're gonna they're gonna oh yeah man yeah that's that's gotta be a
pretty rough one for shaker right i i don't because he's using quite a lot of mana in the
laning stage it should be like um i don't think it's much worse than like maybe a 6040 i do think
that odi doesn't like own you until well odi obviously racks up the nice and i think once
you get level five it becomes toxic but you have fisher you've told him which should be okay odi
wins most matches but i think shaker from the meanies is at least okay he can play also later
You have Fisher you have long range. I think there's worse matchups
Hmm. How do you feel about the earth shaker overall though within it?
You know once we get out of the laning phase
We move into you know moving around the map making plays
For now, it's decent
I think one of the problems is that timber is a very tanky hero and OD even though the heroes intelligence is
Not squishy at all. He has strength here, bro
He's so tanky
But like a lot what I'm seeing for now is he has good follow-up willow and hoodwink are great supports to play around like you have good
Air control you have follow-up damage, but this here also kind of one stacks, right?
You want like you medium camp stack you want your ancient stack you want to pull them together echo their ass get an early blink
So the hero does have some requirements that you want to play for
Yeah, that is true when there was that era of like the earth shaker mid you
Always wanted to draft something that can contest ancients against him
Yeah, it's happening a lot less these days though
We're you I was gonna say I come on the last time I saw the big juicy double stock, you know
But echo slam and just instantly clear to triple start and when it does and when it does happen
The enemy team is not really that concerned about it like contesting and they just kind of let it happen
But I don't they've got like really good, you know
Come clear on both teams here. They do
I wonder what chat goes for here. It's actually not that easy. I think to kind of go about his hero pool
I think especially when it's blind
Maybe if you had your bands be slightly different. It's like they took CK out. I expect there's even banned
Okay, Sven now this is a hero that has looked good and I think also like in terms of picking it blind
It's okay, especially with there's no timber and no doom, which are like some of his hardest counters
Like and I think some you know a motherfucker he would like bust out some viper here and be very annoying
There's also a world where while Sven lanes okay into enigma if you want to be very annoying that is something you can pull out
And I want to commend them that they have two minutes reserve time. So oh here. They must find a good thing
Here's one. I mean undying shits on Sven too.
I mean yeah, you got Sven on timbers.
That's a pretty nasty one.
It is a bit sus against the other two cores.
The undying.
Yeah, that's true.
But it is great against Sven.
It kind of goes both ways a little bit because they can't kill Tombstone, which is nice.
Yeah, they have like probably one of the worst line I've been killing him.
Yeah, out of what he's played, Necro is also pretty good.
I really do love the Viper suggestion though. I think that's pretty good as well.
He's here on your screen as well. He did play the Viper. It's there.
He's no stranger. Malik is a, this guy's a good player. He's been around.
It was also like two seasons ago when Collab took a break after TI initially.
He's the guy that stood in for them. Played a couple of tournaments.
Of course, does have the experience.
Tops taking another break, of course.
He's turned up with his TI, takes breaks, refuses to elaborate.
It's gotta be it's gotta be pretty sick when you can just play like half a year win and then be like
Time for the half-year break again
This this is a little unusual to me. Yeah, just just because
Like you don't like to play axe into wyvern you cold embrace somebody and they take no blade mail damage
There's also the save from
Ode that's really good. Yeah, like it's it's not an easy game to just jump in and like insta kill with axe on his own
However, he does have two supports that are really good at playing with him. They have a lot of magic damage
It's hard to save from that and also a shadow fiend to requiem on top of his blink stun. So on one hand
I think
Individually, it's not a great axe game
But on the other hand I respect that they pick something that just makes a lot of sense for their draft
No, I'm with you because I think that
Axe is somewhat higher execution than some of the other heroes because also if I'm a mid earth shaker
I don't know how much I like obviously axe can jump which is cool
So I'm not always the only one but they don't help each other that much with like follow-up damage
Which means I think they should actually be looking at separate things within the fight like one guy allows the other to be like a
little more slow and patient within the fight because
Yeah, I think there were other heroes that are good
But it what it does give you is a very good lane like axe with battle hunger is incredibly annoying and you lane it together with
Some dark will also that does make for a good lane, but all of the drafts I've seen from the last couple days
I think this is one of the better ones at one when I've cooked up
Yeah, it's not bad
Not bad. You don't seem very convinced. I
Don't know dude. I'm just kind of I'm kind of a little bit out on one win
Now they're back
They seem a little sauce they seem a little sauce
But I also think they're the type of team that can have the talk and get it back together pretty quickly
Well, we'll bring our commentators in see what they think
Thank you Richard. Let's have to talk. I feel the same as Richard actually one
win does not feel like themselves there haven't been enough pauses 33 has not
been complaining about the lights enough and I think that's messing with their
mojo because when you become accustomed to something and people could always say
it's because of the stand-in but it's the lack of pauses like I'm looking in the
game right now it's not even pause what is 33 anymore yeah what's he doing he's
picking timbersaw now too. Goodness gracious. What happened to this guy? To look at it in
a little bit more technical perspective, I think I am a little bit worried for one win
in this game specifically because I've noticed a couple of patterns in some of their games
when they're losing. One of them is that, and this is something this team has obviously
thrived on in the past, is that they don't take much initiative, I would say compared
to certain other teams, they'll just play way more passively, look to farm a lot.
You saw the stat in the pre-show about their KDAs not being that great.
And I think that can very easily happen if you're playing these sit-back-and-farm line-ups
and something goes wrong along the way in the mid-game.
Because then, if you don't have heroes that take initiative and do stuff and get those
kills, well, you're kind of leaving the door open to the enemy team to make moves.
And if they connect, well, if you're not in a good defensive position, you will be bleeding
out kills over time.
seems to have happened in multiple of their series. Also the reason I'm
highlighting that is look at their line. Like these three cores are going to be
farming. It's OD Sven Timber. There's no spirit type of hero. There's no fast-paced
like Pangolier or anything to that extent. Or if you're playing say a greedy
mid like or a slower mid, I'm sure most people would agree like OD or Lina. Then a
lot of the time you're off-laner will be something faster like say Axe or Centaur.
but it's a timbersaw. So I think in this game there's a chance that Hipsqueak do well in lanes
and absolutely smash them. If they don't do that and the game gets slower and one win gets played
the way they want, I think they will be quite comfortable. Can you not play timbre more aggressively?
I mean I understand 33 is not like that in general, but like Jenkins pointed out, the hero doesn't
have this like explosive early peek in terms of damage anymore. So I don't really think it lends
itself to that playstyle as much as it used to. And if you're playing Offlane Timber,
I don't think we've seen a single player go something like Dagger. Like that's a mid
exclusive build. The Offlaners are always going like Kaisange or something to that extent.
So, yeah, I mean, we'll see what pacing they set for this game. Also, another pattern I've
noticed about 1 win, we've mainly been covering their games more so than there's the first
time we get to personally cast a pip squeak there seems to be two or three
deaths in most of their games on shad when he's farming his safe camps in the
top area and that's ironic that we call them the safe camps because in the safe
lane because apparently for him they've not been safe and that could be a two
fold problem it's either that his map awareness is not up to snuff and he's
getting caught off from most as you be seen coming or that his supports are not
covering him in the right timing in the in those jungle spots other they're not
warning from correctly, but if you're having two or three deaths on your carry
in those safe camps every game that contributes massively to a negative
win rate. Like those it cannot become a consistent problem or even if this team
does go through today I don't think I think top four is out of the question
like that's just way too game-losing so they got to solve that problem. Probably a mix
of what you said I would assume. It could be. It is stand-in so they're not gonna be
totally on the same page but you would think that they'd be learning through
these losses because yeah they've had some uncharacteristic losses so far in this tournament and
a lot of people picked this team to be top four like you said and they are not looking like it at all
but having said that group stage is one thing. Many a team come back from slow starts and Ekki
actually will not get any damage out of that shadow realm whatsoever. We're spending a little
greedy with Shad so we'll have to back away after taking considerable damage himself now.
I'm surprised they didn't throw out a storm hammer there and do some extra harass considering you
He just used the Shadow Realm. Now instead, they're going to be on the receiving white monster.
Big trouble.
It's...
I'm going to get run down with that Battle Hummer Shadow Realm.
It's a matter of time here.
Hold Embrace will delay it a bit.
Malik going to continue the block and should be able to get the first blood.
It actually goes to Ekki.
Might trade his life away, but the call at the last moment will save him.
Got a nice level up for Malik.
Ekki also did have a fairy fire, so I think he was going to be AOK there, but maybe with a stick, Storm Hammer.
There was a potential play.
Was the...
Was Stormhammer called Stormbolt before?
It was, I think.
But I think that's a Dota 1 thing.
And they might have changed the name because it's one of those, like,
I would say.
You think he's gonna buy Lothar's or Mishershit's Miiweaver?
Yeah, it's probably, maybe it was two Warcraft 3-ish or something, I don't know.
Well, 33.
Actually, you know what?
Yes.
Wraith King's stun originally when he was skeleton king was also called storm bolt and when they
Diversified those two abilities they might have done it in the same patch where Svens became aoe and they called that storm hammer
And then he got wraith fire blast
But he wasn't a wraith before
Right, so it must have been when he became the wraith that that happened
No, it was called blast something because I remember the icon was a big fart to your member the alpha
The MS paint, Skeleton paint. I don't know, something blasts for sure. Skeleton blasts,
maybe PowerShell actually does hit. Copy, gonna dodge one attack from BZM. So far on this
mid lane, Earthshaker 17-7 and the OD 13-9, so slight advantage going the way of copy.
Yeah, it's a bit surprising I think. I'm not gonna say this is a shaker favorite lane.
I don't think that's the case, then it's highly unlikely BZM would want to pick OD into a losing matchup.
It's a big part of the hero as it's laning, but he's doing quite well in the shaker.
We'll be bullied out to face here though.
Empty Bottle, the support came in to deny the water rune together with BZM.
He's back to lane now.
BZM also had one and a half pre-boss to go out, so he will overtake me.
The more action in the top lane, Bramble gonna make the exit a bit annoying for Whitemon.
Gets called into the Bramble, very nice combo.
Storm Hammer comes out and again Whitemon delays and he should live this time.
Not sure if I've seen that combo before.
Yeah, it's cool to use taunt as a minor redirection ability.
This top lane is going really well for Pipesqueak.
It's not a great start. You're playing Wyvern one of the strongest tives in the patch
and you're currently losing your safe lane.
Sven only 17 and 4 against Axes, currently 25 and 10.
Obviously, you have the luxury in this type of lane with Axe of starting to cut waves if you want.
I don't think Wyvern is going to be able to bull you out if Willow's got your back.
You can start stacking camps if you want to with the Willow as well,
which one win wisely have covered one of the two camps in the Triangle area,
so that one's blocked off for the foreseeable future.
Ooh, nice raise, last moment from Rincey, so 33 will have his first death of the game.
I see Rincey top CS in the game right now.
I mean, when you think of Shad, what is the first hero that comes to mind?
At this tournament, the one that we've seen, at least, that he's had the most success on, is the Lifestealer.
It's been a mixed bag. There's no hero of this tournament where I'm like, damn, Shad is really...
Yeah, he's not in general, like, through his history.
Lifestealer is probably definitely up there, if not the one to turn around and place the hammer.
Bramble used defensively.
Here comes Ari.
Our shuffle not good.
And that's wasted rotation in the end.
This is another thing to think about when we're talking about how the DioHeroes interact all of temper is dead again.
33 TPing down immediately gets killed on a Bushwak Shadow Raise combo.
That is real bad.
Two back-to-back deaths has to walk back to lane now.
Also got a question. He's landing against shadow thing without a magic stick. That seems a little bit greedy. Wow, 33 is greedy really?
But too greedy. I don't know that might be a little bit too much on the greedy side
Why I'm trying to be cute here and steal not gonna happen alone, but he has backup coming in
So the pipsqueak though here comes shaker with a teepee
Oh the comforts are here. Peace level 6
Fisher comes out going inside of the wisdom shrine so they cannot steal it after all
And he gets it. Powerslide's pretty big, but the call at the last moment, it's going to be the death of Shad and it is a disaster for one win.
Man, that is just, I don't know, like, almost a disrespectful attempt to steal it then.
He really wants this kill, he'll get it.
It's like, if you want to contest that, you've got to bring OD over, right, but I'm not saying that's BGM's fault, it's just, if he's unavailable, I can't find a path there or the right timing.
I don't think you can be aggressive there.
9-4-8. Remember that, everybody.
I thought it was how much damage that Sanities was.
I'm assuming.
Oh, it's the timer.
It's the timer of when the spell is ready again, I think.
Yeah.
It's ready in two minutes.
9-48.
Yeah, I definitely think this early game for Pip's week is going according to plan here.
Now, you are seeing the big separation between Shaker and OD,
which is what they were picking the OD4, so definitely winning its lane, but the
good news for a hero like Shakers, I don't think this hero has to win its lane
or necessarily even do particularly well. It's very much like a 1-2 item hero
that completely transforms it. You want to get this soul ring, you want to get one
type of boots, and then blink, and you can do a lot even in a losing game.
OD conversely needs a lot to really function. We'll be having the hammer
very soon here, so that's good news for you. All I was gonna say was, if the dire
The higher cores don't necessarily make that many plays, but who do you look for at the supports to do it?
You've got a four Windranger and a five Wyvern, also not that great 33 again.
Oh dear, I mean they're just selling him.
He doesn't stand a chance in this lane.
Gets caught by any bushwack, he's just dead.
Like two or three razors will do the job.
Three deaths, 233's name.
Now Mal just starting to cut waves.
Talked about his luxury this hero has in this type of lane.
There's a different type of carry, might not be able to do this, but against the Sven Wyvern, it's definitely possible.
And this, the reason this play is so nice for Axis, you're doing two things at once, you're getting yourself a better game by getting the full wave,
but you can also move down and take sidecamps, and this means Sven is not getting these.
Every camp you're taking against these camp farming carries is like a double, it's a double win, but you get it and they don't,
So the net worth swing is actually quite big in stealing that small camp every minute if he can't do it
There's already a 2k difference between Sven and Shad
Yeah, if it wasn't for the mid lane
There would be down quite bad here
Power shot onto Malik gravel's gonna give him some space and she will survive
It's gonna stick around though. I'm thinking I'm getting on up to push back coming in from the other side into the double
Ult as Malak brings it home. They will lose Ekky as Malak is not done yet, gets off the call, even
Rincey making an appearance and has a two for one special for fifths squeak. I don't think this is
that surprising that they are the ones to bring more heroes given the nature of their lineups,
right? This does not feel like a natural rotation for OD or for Timbersaw to be a part of and this
was the problem that I had with the lineup is, is this going to continue or are you going to find
find a moment of opportunity. I think there's a lot riding already on BZM in this game because
the other two course games are not that great. Like Timbersaw, sure you're tied with X for
net worth, but you've got the three deaths, you've enabled Shadowfiend completely. Rincey
Q could completely obliterate this game if he continues farming in this fashion. That's
already begun.
He's got the Sol Ring boots and 400 gold, so it's going to take some time.
But the good news is he has really good heroes to play around where even the Fissure is very
helpful and he is maxing that first tier.
You see he's going 4-1-2 build.
Not something we see all that often from mid shakers.
A lot of the time you're prioritizing war points in Enchant Totem or aftershock.
They're coming for you again.
and this time they've got more help.
He is completely...
Yeah, push whacked, he's there, sharp shooter.
They don't even need a raise.
Ike will get that kill.
It feels good kill.
Indeed, and then, well, the top lane it looks like
one will be able to get an even trade
as far as structures go,
but they are not losing a core.
So...
feeling good for the Radiant on that one.
Malak, opting for a fast dagger instead of
a Blade Mail here.
Plays again into the logic of well if the enemy seems gonna play defensive. I want to take initiative
I want to run around and kill with my supports like these are two of the best supports for acts to play with you love playing with any
Support that has high damage output and well willow and hoodwink are
really good candidates
Fisher on the wrong side if you block them on the left
It would have been super awkward for the OD why everyone will be fine, of course just flying away
But then fortunately for them do end up on the right side of the fissure
What were they doing at? Did they de-ward or something?
They went in to block the ancients. Maybe that was a minute ago.
Just hanging around, trying to get information and prevent Shaker from echoing this, I think.
That was an exceptionally underwhelming echo, but you'll get it eventually.
I'm going to show themself on the top side now as one wind grouping up to take this tier
1, 33 is sick and tired of dying.
Looks like they'll get it for free.
Yep.
I haven't talked about this yet.
What do you think about Timber going phase boots?
Seems like a direct solution to Shadowfiend that didn't work.
interesting. This is far from normal on this hero. I think you almost never see it. I'm
not mistaken unless there's some new tech that I've missed. The reason this really stands
out to me is that he bought this before stick, right? So he must think this is a good idea
against Shadowfiend. Well, if you ask me how it went, it didn't work that great. Just wait
sender and it will show you I'm not I'm not tripping right this is not
something we're seeing often I I think there was a time when timbers were
buying treads every game instead of arcane's that became the new meta but I
don't think we've ever seen a phase boots phase it's a good one so far
headbutt honestly the rest of one winner keeping up quite well now yeah the
The network fleet is not anything crazy.
The blink reveal.
The blink reveal.
Malek but the save from BZM.
The Sanity is the clips on top.
Malek is dead.
I'm not sure what White Mom is doing there, but he'll be the trade.
It's a good trade for the buyer.
So, blink reveal turns into a one-for-one exchange.
You have to use Sanities, but that's okay.
Looks like they want more with this Invis room.
Ike has a sentry, though.
He's aware.
The one that he knows is because he used an acorn shot.
Just like that copy has a blink deck.
I feel like we just looked at his farm dances deck,
and a couple more camps, and he is online.
So they got the double blink, expect tons of aggression,
and if somehow one win can kind of stem the bleeding
with these two blinks coming out, they're going to be able to farm
a little more efficiently you would think in pipsqueak
BZM looks like he might be the target
Oh, they spot that I think they saw him. Yeah
Only hits the one that they get the bush whack
There's the astral on himself at the meantime that rents. He says there's plenty of time to talk that on
Obdurgation not gonna do nearly enough for BZM
He will be the death of one win. Sorry now
Getting counted getting chopped 2k lead for pipsqueak
This is the true test of the game, because Chat is not going to come to help him.
He needs space on this spin.
Fourth on net worth at 15 minutes is not where spins like to be.
Well, Ekki is eyeing an opportunity, but no backup arriving just yet.
Coffee's on the way from the left, but I don't think...
Oh, actually, they might kill him on this camp.
Ekki knows he went there because of the observer work.
Yep.
You have Terrorized with the Bramble.
Oh, they're scramming about the drop.
Yeah, I think it's a Storm Hammer.
But the slow comes out, that should be enough now.
Oh, okay, he ticks out.
He's actually kind of close.
Not the best Bramble placement there.
And you're going to connect the Bramble into Terrorize.
You're always looking for a double connection,
where he walks from one Bramble into the next with the fear,
but only got the first one.
Still was good enough, but now Rince Q is left all on his own up here.
up here. I say that Axe is on a little bit. Actually very important he was there to break
the smoke and 33 shows up. The right-flicks from Shadowfiend are just going to rip White
Mononue one, but now the Shadowfiend a little bit of trouble. Can he get Astral as Malak
goes for the call on top of PCF? He says he flips, destroys, Rincey Malak follows suit.
So two core kills coming out in favor of one win.
Yeah.
Axe does break the smoke, but Shadowfiend is just in an impossible position there to
way out of, so it kind of just has to stand his ground and he just attacked
Whitemon four times. Whitemon ended up not casting any spells there. That was
really weird to watch. They didn't try to curse him or heal himself at least to
force out Rages or whatever. Just let him hit him four times and die, but they
still get a good result out of that, the side of one win. And what this team
needed in this game was for things not to spiral out of control and you look at
the kill score and you're like, uh-oh, this can't be great, but the Radiant
heroes are being out farmed on average yeah so it's the kills that are keeping
them afloat if anything
I do think in the next big patch that is a good war
quite mon I know it's separate happening are he's gonna find copy cancels the
blink down with the power shot at BGM shows up as well
it's acting actually just right click down by shot very casually and now copy
and a lot of trouble will get gone on and taken out by BZM as well.
It'll be a trade onto Ari.
Shad is not done yet, it seems.
Ike takes the storm hand.
Should be okay here.
Walk away safely.
Now Rincey showing up.
Very important ward there for one win.
Sees that shaker movement.
All that ward allowed them to free plant.
You could see Ari just walks in and point blank power shots.
The tree line there to make sure shaker can't blink.
What do you think of 33 Heart next?
You know, this item has been getting quite a bit more popular.
You look at the Rain and Lines, they don't have any percentage-based damage,
so just raw health pool is quite strong.
If you're trying to get away of countering all of the magic damage
and SF's right clicks at the same time,
that's probably the best individual item you can buy just for yourself.
I think in the past against this type of line,
line of your maybe considerate pipe but hasn't really been the same minded for a
while well fine white one shackles gonna delay this a bit along with the
astral actually BZM looks like you'll walk away just fine white one finally does
get off the first but not to do too much
Rincey is gonna pop this newly picked up VKB with a focus fire flight as well they're gonna get the bush white on this fed
and they have the fissure again the astral save but the requiem's coming for
absolutely instagate Shad and Rincey now trying to run away from the Sanities
Clipsum so they get another good potential trade from one win. Two cores
for one essentially and a support. That Kiyaki will be collateral damage after
all is said and done. Double kill for 32 who's back with his Messerschmitts
Reaver. He stopped net worth of the cores now after going 0 and 4 in the
landing stage and that's that's what he does the course in his team that is
shadow fiend still ahead but these couple of deaths on ring see are very
costly it's not you're not trading evenly if you're trading shadow fiend for an
enemy core when you're top of the board and you're the higher tempo hero
definitely do not want to be looking for those one-for-one trade offs look at
this Malek is actually not buying blade mail at all it's going for the BKB and
And then queuing up consecrated reps, very rarely do we see X's bypass that item entirely.
The panel was talking about how Blade Mill can get countered by Cold Embrace and by Astral,
but still feels like a really good item to have if you're going to jump a Sven or an
OD, right?
Even a Timber if you, if he has to chop him up, that's kind of unlikely I suppose.
That's probably the worst one.
I guess the other two I still think is quite good.
Yeah, that is odd indeed.
I believe you can't toggle off Arcane Orb when you're called, right?
I don't see why you would.
I believe there was a time when you couldn't, though you can't, but...
I'd consider that a bug if that ever worked. I'm not fully positive.
One win. Close call here, but not gonna get the Astral.
He's just Echie at the end of the day.
BZM, one of the Opti-4, looks like the Hurricane Pike into the eventual BKB.
Oh, he's buying BKB today. That's good to see him. Well, he's queuing it up. It doesn't mean he's actually buying it.
We've seen that kind of jubate us from time to time.
Feels like he puts it there so that 33 when he looks over
is like, all right, good, good.
And then he just, he just keeps adding an item ahead of it.
The Moral Quick Buy, that's a new one.
We've mostly seen the Anti-Moral Quick Buys
where people just put a rapier there when they're tilted.
Yeah.
But keeping spirits high with the BKB.
Speaking of BKB, Shad is still quite far away from his,
but looking for a smoke,
This is rather uncharacteristic.
I feel like most Sven teams in this position
just farm that item first and then go for this move,
but they're feeling confident
that they can pull off something here.
It might just work because,
if you're on the other side,
you're probably not expecting a smoke at this point
when Sven is farming, but as I say that,
they are exactly expecting this.
Maybe a bit too telegraphed with the two waves
in mid and bottom, nobody there at all.
Yeah, bit of wasted time.
Shad, just hunting a Courier it seems.
I see Ike, he's going to get Storm Hammer, should be a free kill.
Of course Ari takes it, Shad's like, just for God's sake please.
Ari says go to the jungle and farm your BQB, this is our gold here.
I don't know, 33 is virtually unkillable with that heart, we'll be going for the Shiva's.
Yep, much more standard.
Get the armor against the Shadow Fiend, and of course the AoE increase is extremely good.
And this will be a nice pick up too, getting the Roche now off of that hoodwing kill.
Even if Pipsqueak knew they probably wouldn't be going here.
I'm a little bit surprised that we've gotten to this point considering how the game started.
Yeah, and it's interesting because I think this is very telling about Temper Saw as a hero right now, right?
Like, the win rate in the off-lane, I believe, was 9-3 in the tournament.
33 got absolutely destroyed in lane, and he's still topping that worth of 23 minutes now.
Fully recovered the game, he's completely back in good shape for this one.
And if you can recover games like this on Timbersaw,
I think the slot that they picked it in might just be the perfect time to do it.
Early second phase, challenge the enemy team to counter-pick you.
Looks good to me.
I'm very impressed with this point feels like they need to start getting something going or this is going to be out of reach
Four and a half minutes on the ages now it jumps in but there is the instant Astral from BZM
Crane will set up though. No way. We'll get the kill
Still just a support at the end of the day
one win
Four minutes to play around with this second life on BZM
him. Which I'm actually going to check his quick quiet. Okay, BKB still in there, we'll
see. I'm going to say if he doesn't die, by the time he picks up that hurricane point,
he's going to switch it up. Oh, I'm doing so well, I'm going next. The real ballervill
of course is Moonshard. Oh yeah, lovely. I really hope for him that he doesn't do
for the future of his career in this team. That was the old school build back in the day.
Not Moonshard, but he'd get three Mystic Staffs into three Hyper Stones.
O.D. The classic build of Dota 1. Pretty sure the classic build of Dota 1 was Aghanim's
times three, not three hyperstones. I don't remember this one.
Oh, you... it was staff of, uh...
Mystic staff was part of... Mystic staff was part of AX, right? Yeah, that's why you get that.
So you went three AX. But you wouldn't finish the AX first. I think I'd go three Mystic staff,
three hyperstone, playing without boots or daggers sounds atrocious, so...
Yeah, you probably did that. It was good. Easy end. Good opening. Link, Astral. No BKB on copy.
I'm not too happy, you can tell, knowing that he is dead. Yeah, struggling to find his footing in this game.
Shad looking for an opening, going towards the high ground, Ekky, and he's spotted, blinks away.
Now he's looking out of the high ground, no storm hammer, finds himself a little squirrel action.
As Whitemon will steal that from Shad, it just seems to be the go-to move for one win with any stand in.
Screw them. They're not going to be around much longer anyway.
Alright, this is an important item now. This feels like the time to strike for Pipsqueak when the heroes respond.
spawn you want to look for a fight you just got butterfly on your your
shadow fiend at the same time though maybe wait the two ages minutes out and
then think about it but I at this point I think it's safe to say that hipsquid
did not get enough out of their early start and I don't really favor their
lineup going down the stretch this is not a lineup that is going to win this at
60 minutes I know a lot of the times when we look at lineups we're like yeah
things have changed you know if you're watching this through the perspective of
how Dota used to be five years ago, if you're like,
yeah, you know, this or that.
But this genuinely holds true.
I don't think this radiant lineup
is going to win the late game.
Timber is going to be an absolute monster.
You've got three super strong late game course.
Sven, OD, the support scales really well.
And for you, Shaker acts as a combination
in the very late game.
They have too much overlap and not enough damage.
And another kill, Shadow will kill off Ike.
And if you put another support in the form of
You should find it hammered up
Easy kills
And you can see on the
Reactions from PipzGreed's cameras. They look a little bit lost like nothing seems to be really connecting
They're not finding any place not putting any pressure and that's when one man will be most comfortable
It does feel like they have two hugely
Momentum and aggressive type heroes in urshaker and acts that just have to get stuff going and if that's not happening
You're line up. What's the point of it? Yeah?
Shadowpink can do his own thing, of course.
They might be trying to delay for ShakerBP. I think the biggest problem they've had in this game is the saves.
Like, when they try to do something with this axe, with the shaker, they just get banished or coal embraced.
And that's what the panel is talking about, like, is the axe picked the right one for the game, given those saves.
And I would argue it isn't, but they look good in the start.
So...
He's a lot tankier now. Alec with the call. Almost a half HP is eckless to terrorize.
There's the bush whack as well. And he's staying alive thanks to the cold embrace.
And it's Rincey looking for the ult, but the bandage comes out. The last moment dodges all the damage.
And guess who's more than healthy is 33, forcing out all of these ults, all of these BKBs.
And now one win. I mean, their Aegis is about to expire, but they can fight.
For sure, this is classic 33 gameplay, tanky off-lane, soak spells, be annoying, and this bottom tower is obviously a forgotten inclusion here.
I wonder if you could consider high grounds. No recommend though, BKB shadow themes. Your temper has already proven to be this tanky.
You could probably just start pushing the tower with the flamethrower and you just protect him with the core, OD as well as the Wyvern.
And that does indeed look like the plan here, it's like just challenging them. Come on.
Oh, you couldn't deal with me the first time. I'm gonna just start diving your base.
Yeah, why not?
Malak, is he actually gonna dive like this?
That would be, feels so, so bad.
Will not.
Is he gonna try to do some damage to the timber saw?
He's broken for the time being. Actually disrupt the timber chain.
Now the cold embrace comes out.
EZM obviously with the astral if needed.
Shackler coming with the storm hammer to the left.
I'm about to die trying to get a shackle out of two
as Malak looks to be the one to die, Tarpoon back in.
That's two dead already for PipSqueak in their own base.
Squirrel gets away though.
That's 33 and company should be able to finish this set of erics.
I mean, this game might actually be over now.
If you can't do anything about this type of situation
where 33 is diving, you just...
There are games with timbers on where this happens
where you're just at such a numerical deficit.
If you don't have the damage, this guy's just gonna zone your entire team out, and they can take barracks with the rest of the four.
I... I think Pipsqueak are done, this game.
They might as well... Like, why leave the base? Just do another lane.
Yeah, they don't need Aegis, they don't need nothing.
He's flamethrower of the towers, step by step. Pipsqueak's been hit when he wants to.
33. Actually, going to go. Okay.
Surprising, but he's gonna keep going.
Isn't he had enough proof that they can't deal with him?
I don't know.
BGM's very close to his BKB, so he actually is committing for it.
You can see the desperation here in Rincey's build.
This is not something you really want to buy in Shadowfiend unless you have to.
What's the Hurricane Pike?
Hydra's breath.
Oh, he's going Hydra's breath.
Yeah, he's going Hydra's over Hurricane Pike because they don't have enough damage to
the timber.
This is a targeted item only for him.
I see.
has to buy this to counter an offlaner you know you've done good you know you've done
good son yeah I mean I would say done well but it just sounds right to say
it does I agree if you are incorrect about something enough times it becomes
correct we've learned that through the ages yep this is why we have a career
Force yeah
One win looking for another fight here Shadson why Sontan yasha, okay?
Well, there is a lot of stun like the status is just really good. Yeah, for sure. It's good against call
It's good against shaker combos still strange
Yeah, it is rather unusual, but I do like it in this game, and I like it in this game state
I think this is a datalus or any. No, this is our DPS. He doesn't have to that's I know that sounds crazy, but
Sven doesn't have to really carry this game.
They have OD and Timber that are carrying too.
They have so much damage, they just need to outlast the BKBs,
and the other two cores will kill any hero.
So, if he can buy items that allow him to play way more aggressively
and threaten those BKBs and still stay alive,
that's fine. I don't mind it.
Is that...
Control this enemy outpost.
I don't think Daedalus would be bad. Don't get me wrong.
I think that would be completely fine, but I do think this is...
It's cool to see when people identify that there is a type of game where you can deviate. I like the deviation in this particular
particular game from Shed, so
Second roaches up just a matter of time before one wing will grab that if they get that
You have to contest it though
I mean you do have really good tools in theory the bramble you got call echo slam requiem
Yeah, got big spells if the enemy team stacks up like a bunch of archons. You're right Shannon
Don't be offended out there if you're an archon, but I I know you I know how you guys are even with just two people in the pit
Those are pretty good. I
Would say a two-man eco slam isn't necessarily that
Impressive, but the echo would have to come later. I guess yeah
Especially again, keep in mind the number of saves Wyvern will never be in the pit. Oh, do you well probably?
All right, there's a smoke. They're gonna try to counteract this immediately.
Yeah, they have to go for this play. If this fails, it's over.
For Pipesquick. Last chance.
But they bait them. It's just smoke and mirrors.
And the scan, this is good from Sven. The scan is still going red, because he's running around the pit.
Yeah, Paul. It's not. Yeah, you're not killing him. I don't think you popped the she-bun.
This is awful.
This is horrific! My God, they've already lost the axe.
And now copy in a horrific spot as well. We'll just take the right clicks from BZN double kill per hand
And now Renzi left all alone. We'll get focus fired and burst it down by 33 in shad
And that should surely do it. I
Might be able to get away forces out the BKB from BZN
This is even worth the chase I was just about say this is a waste of time like the game is over actually I think take Russian
go mid. This is a statement kill. Oh nice play Meteor Hammer for the vision.
That's really cool yeah. Into the Vanished Power Shot. Good. Bushwack though.
Ike is keeping this game alive. Was that worth it? Classic good wink. Was that worth your time?
time.
Hecky.
So greedy.
Can't you be happy with the win and your relaxes?
Like seriously.
Just be done with it.
More wants more Shannon.
You know how it is.
I guess.
That explains billionaires.
That's right.
You can never get enough.
I would never be like that, Cinderan.
That's what everybody says until the next one.
Do you think you would?
I don't think that could become a building.
That's true. You don't have a skill that's not really what I was going for, but sure.
Very dead.
Well, they get the Cursed Crown on the three heroes.
So, normally that would be pretty high, but there's not going to be any damage.
Dive back, time for a 5v4 push, and maybe a 5v3, Malik.
Okay, good timing on the BKB, but now that's down.
Now we'll get off the call.
Shad looking for an opening again, gets the Harpoon onto the tree, and there's the Astral.
I don't think they're doing some good right quick damage, they're gonna get through the ages at the very least.
That's another BQB now.
Target three, still unkillable in the front line though.
And now Shad gets a double storm hammer.
Alright, so he does get back to fountain, but now the buildings will melt.
Yeah.
They did what they had to do, one win. This was about not getting run over.
and they stalled it out just fine.
Never really were that far behind.
It was just a two or three K lead
and that is not going to cut it with this type of lineup.
You need to keep snowballing.
Ultimately, what ended up happening here
is that the Diary heroes just got too tanky
and too many saves.
It's a pretty simple equation.
You have this much damage,
they have this much health
and the saves together combined.
You can't kill anyone, you can't win.
And Timbersaw very quickly got to that point.
I mean, it looked good for Pipesquieu.
You're saying that the lead wasn't that great,
but even without that they had
pretty big level advantage, I want to say, in the early game.
You could see where the lineup was going,
and they just couldn't find their footing,
especially after they got the two blink daggers.
Axe or Shaker got relatively quick blink daggers,
and then they'd only find pickoffs on supports pretty much.
And one win able to recover 33, as 33 does,
to get dominated in lane,
while he'll still be top net worth at some point in the game.
I'm just going to say this is going to be a 1-8, I think,
or 1-7 scoreline for Shadowfiend.
Oh, wow.
If you have this type of Stark, and you can't, it's like he was 7-0, he dies twice,
and it just feels like the hero falls completely flat.
This is starting to remind me of old Shadowfiend.
Like, this letter patch was a big nerf to the hero.
You'd still think you could make it work under conditions like this, but...
It's just, it doesn't look that fearsome.
Yeah, not so much.
Copy, shackled.
Shackled, and he did.
That's bye, but it's gonna be Vegas in a moment.
Only a matter of time. Shash is waiting on the outskirts. I believe he has a damaged rune as well.
There's the buyback under the earth shaker. Barrick's about to fall.
And there's the jump in from the spend. Malak dead. No buyback for him.
And that is indeed going to be about your creeps and the game. GG's not going to be called yet.
Echo Slam on a single target, not nearly enough at this stage of the game.
First as well on the outskirts.
This copy just definitely trying to play his hero, but that has been a thing all game, unfortunately.
Yeah, man. That should be it.
GG is called. So game one goes to one win.
Hipsqueak looked good at the beginning, but just couldn't withstand it. 33.
I mean that, I don't know how, if you can dominate that hard then you become that unkillable.
I was not expecting to say that 1-win won this game in convincing fashion after watching the first 10 minutes of this game, but they really did.
Like, after that point they were just better, and their lineup worked out great.
1-win have 1-win so far Richard, can they do it?
I did that joke via the basins fam, stopped stealing my material, but also guys on the panel.
I think we just saw the greatest comeback of all time in the history of Dota.
It was one win and shaggy PT. They've done it
Now you're stealing my joke. Yes, but you didn't say that's true. That's what the difference is some
Sunspan doesn't watch the panel so he didn't know
Yeah, also true. He's gonna say shaggy PT in the next cast. No
To be serious for a moment. Yeah, it's what you said Kessie
It was like you really like the Tim so and then obviously he did get dominated early game
We were a little bit worried about what that meant, but the hero just sort of becomes unkillable past certain point.
No, for sure. I think 33 is just very good at damage controlling. I mean, maybe not as much in the early game, and Shadow had also to pipspeak for, you know, they had great lanes and great early game with what they did with their moves.
I think maybe at some point, they over-rotated like one or two heroes. The only problem is that their drafts, you get this double blink, but it's against Winter Wyvern, it's against OD.
against OD. It's not that easy to get those moves done. And I think eventually you could
see this slightly like higher composure and also experience I think from one end just
kind of coming in more clutch for them.
Yeah, and they definitely have the heroes that they can scale, right? If any of the
heroes on one win are having a good game, they can solo carry the game. It's not one
of these situations where it's all on shad to 1v5 and carry the game by any means. Even
of BZM was having a rough time on OD, which he wasn't. He was actually doing okay. Timber
is a hero who can scale and carry the game. So, I kind of like the one win is doing this
against PipSqueak, because I feel like PipSqueak, one of their issues for a long time, has been
doing well in the early game, and they're kind of suffering when it comes to the mid
game decision making. So, for one win, if they can just pick some cores where if one
One of these guys survives a few fights and then they're snowballing the game.
I think that's exactly what will happen.
Yeah.
Yeah, and it's also, I think when I just look at, that was one of the few things I didn't
like as much about the Pipsqueak draft.
When you look at Shaker and Axe, they're low damage heroes that kind of rely on the same
thing.
They want to lock people down for someone else to hit them.
And after the mid game, it's only SFs whose damage is like scaling upwards, right?
Against a Wyvern as well.
Exactly, like against saves, Wyverns, people getting more tanky with like Hard and Sven
who gives Warcry as well, so I think that's something I would like them to slightly deviate
within the next round, because I actually think they played way better than Onewin did
for the first like 18 minutes. After that it becomes increasingly harder, and Onewin
I think they held on well, and yeah, they did make a good comeback, but when it comes
to the early gameplay, I think Pips Creek definitely had the number.
I agree, I mean, I think in the early game, everything was going right, you know, Ekki
was popping off with his brambles and doing everything he can do. We saw an interesting
with Malik with the axe, the two one two trying to get those earlier calls. But ultimately in the end, one win style just seems to be we're going to grind it out. And eventually we're going to have Chad on one of these beefy heroes, he's going to come online.
And we're going to sort of take over the game and you can see here Ari was our standout player did contribute quite a lot as well.
well. Yeah, he was he was in some nice shackles in that game that I think were absolutely necessary because
some of those comeback fights that they had they had to they had to clutch right and
winner is one of the few heroes that can actually do that with the with the skill shot she has.
I did want to mention with the Malik though my theory on that is with the dark willow maybe he
is clicked. That's theory number one. Theory number one. Theory number two is maybe with Willow to drag
them through the second Bramble, it's more consistent to do with two levels in call. It's definitely
easier with more duration. It's easier with more duration. Do you not? I don't think you need to.
You don't think you need to. But I think it might be like the moment where you have that skill point,
the Bramble is coming up, you're like, oh, I'm going to skill this, so I pull him in more or
something like that. Yeah, and the battle hunger is already on cooldown, so you can't use an extra
level on that something like that. Shall we take a look at six minutes? We shall. Six minutes.
Not right now please. Yeah we'll do that later of course. I want to show you like this blood
grenade like because one win are still doing some weird stuff right like this blood grenade first
no real purpose why one is like guys I'm going are you coming and if you look where are his teammates
are they there no yeah so he's just kind of like getting all on his own now his team is coming
but Shad is like level 4 so Copy is like, okay guys, I love myself some free Echo Slams and some
free kills in the early game. This was an absolute fuss. Yeah, so like it doesn't even have to really
do anything so now they get to kill Whitemon, they get to kill you know Shad as well and these are
the things that one win you know if they win today and move on I don't want to get ahead of myself
but these are moves that you can't let these moves happen this is way too easy. If we played a pub
together and we saw this we would kill them there as well. Oh absolutely it wasn't great I feel like
like one win might have started
the day a little bit slow. Not
had that coffee order. You know,
it can happen. It's nice. Lots.
Maybe somebody got the pumpkin
spice latte and they're watching
their tallories because they got
some. They got some jowls going
on and they're feeling insecure
about themselves. That might be
possible. And then their friends
make fun of them all morning
about the least jolly person. I
know you're you and shadow like
just tight as a drum in the
jawline. Don't compare me to
side comparison of cyber side
for those that don't know at home.
Yeah, we can do it. Let's take a
look at 33 versus Malik. This is
the two offlaners. I didn't want
to, you know, talk
down Malik. He's one of my goats
right now for learning these
heroes in the offlane, but 33,
17,000
net worth at 26 minutes.
This inventory is
not okay. And by the way, I
love the build. I think the phase
really cool for what he was trying to do which is just manipulate the creeps and drag creeps to
camps and farm you know multiple things at once he's gonna lose creep ways for doing that but he's
gonna get some more farm because he's farming jungle camps and then went for a heart second
item. Second item. We talked about this quite a lot uh they in I mean I guess you can explain
your reasoning for why you thought he did it because I thought it was very interesting. Like I
think first of all heart is a really good item in the meta and when you play against like shaker and
axe they kind of rely on they need well they blink commit and hopefully they kill you if they
they don't usually that the infight goes up its garbage so hard high HP good
region you're playing against those two heroes to save this great he also had
two saves to help him to so if he can just survive like initial burst he gets
saved and when you're in the cold embrace or when you're in the OD in
prison you're still regenerating from the heart right so it's like getting
extra value because of that so these needed a guy to go in and make first
contact and then the Sven could jump the OD could jump and yeah it looked it
looked really good I'm gonna say rough start for 33 but he did definitely
me turned it around so yeah it was nice and and was the factor for victory great
talking guys you must take a quick break and that means that one win our
heads and keep it up one winner are ahead and for their opponents it is pipsqueaky
bum time as we say we don't say that we do say that we'll see you after the break
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Yes, it's pretty hard.
Bro, I think it's pretty easy.
Okay, okay.
No, no, no.
Warning, bro, if you agree, you need to put a high number.
No, I'm not agreeing.
I'm, like, heavily disagreeing, but, like, a little bit agreeing, because it's like...
Some people do just put cliff words, and that's about it.
And, like, cliff words will always have an impact, you know what I mean?
Yeah.
So, like, it's easy when you put cliff words, but everything else kind of hard.
The warning is easy, like after a minute and thirty, you know?
Because you just put it on the cliff and you're telling.
But before that, everybody's playing crazy ops.
If you're playing support on pops, and I play against Carlos, post five, I cannot
be worth anything and I can't place any ops that stays alive.
It's impossible.
Yeah, I know what you mean.
Almost, almost. I think there are some slight exceptions, depending on circumstances, like
maybe your mid laner got a bit dived, maybe you cannot fight through these three runes.
But I think you always have to kind of help him, like at least check 50-50, the active
rune and, you know, make sure he's not struggling, he's not getting pressured, he's not losing
his power in a fight.
I mean, I think you need to always kind of help your mid laner, because if you don't
help your mid laner, the enemy mid laner gets the active rune and he goes to the sidelines
and then suddenly, you know, your sidelines are like why is enemy mid laner coming to
me guys, what is my mid laner doing, it's like, I said, it's like domino effect, if
you don't help your mid, your mid will not help you, so you need to help your mid laner.
Yeah, I mean, I think it just depends. It just depends on the way you lose to Scrim.
It depends. It depends how many Scrims you play and when you lose to Scrim. Like, let's
say you play like six games in a day, which is extreme, but let's say you play six Scrims
in a day and you lose the last like four and you win the first two. Like, that is the worst
day you could ever possibly have, like you wanted this fan on the day, you know?
But I think also generally, if you just lose every game 20 minutes, then you're not really
learning, you just suck, so I disagree a little bit.
I mean, it just depends, you know, if you lose a game, like you have like a good,
normal early game, you know everything's going well, then you play one of the top tier teams
and suddenly from minute 10 to minute 20, you start losing by 10k gold.
I think you can learn a lot from that experience, but if you just lose the lanes and you kind of have to GG out in the 10, it's not really, you're not regaining anything, I think.
There's no chance.
I think it's over, like I don't really to explain how cooked we are if that's what we need to do.
It is just literally just done, you know, it's done.
Yeah, I think there's no chance. I'm like trying to imagine it, but...
I don't know, I cannot imagine Malik and I in this situation.
Just cannot do it.
I feel like there's too many problems.
There's too many problems.
Bro, communication issues.
Communication.
Bro, Malik in day two is gonna be like,
Man, our food is so bad, guys.
Cannot eat this food.
Yeah, it's gonna be so eternal.
I think we're gonna... I think we're gonna throw it at the overboard on like day three.
Yeah, I think maybe two of us survived. I don't know which two, but like definitely three at least will get thrown at.
The majority will not make it, so I can say.
So there you have it, the Pipsqueaks loving it, laughing, happier times, but they're up
against it right now in this series, one when you can see they're all gathered around planning
it out, but yes, a good comeback.
Richard, I have to interject here because they have one of the greatest analysts of
all time.
He did just leave the screen.
Yes.
But they have bonkers.
Alan Cook, another British guy.
I would say from the UK, I know him pretty well.
It's a tiny little island, we all know each other.
This guy is one of the most hilarious people you will ever see or hear if people ever have
the chance to talk to him.
Should take that off course.
Does he know what is a pipsqueaky bum?
He probably does.
I bet he heard that and said, wow, this Richard Lewis guy is hilarious.
This guy knows.
He definitely didn't listen.
Yeah, true.
They're not allowed to.
That would be a great comparison.
He's a great guy.
He was for Falcons before and now he's here.
Maybe that's why they win, because the other days I didn't see him on camera.
I don't see him on camera and today they're winning games.
Well, I mean, look, the stakes obviously
are a lot higher today because it's
for a place in the playoffs.
Yep.
You are just joining us.
Pipsqueaks have done really well to be in this situation.
But one win in that last game, they really showed their class,
showed that experience.
33, who I did criticize a little bit saying.
So they've done that.
I know.
I've awakened the beats.
He gets mad.
Yeah, when he's upset, he was mad, even in one of the content pieces yesterday.
It's like, oh, I don't know where this question is coming from, but nowadays,
Dota isn't as creative as it used to be.
Yeah, I know. Yeah, you can tell.
Just my bad, just some content, but it absolutely isn't.
Just putting that out.
It's correct.
But that's why he's like, he's like defending.
He's like, well, it's so much harder nowadays, which like there's some point to it.
But you also see that there's still some players who they've reinvented what
heroes are good all the time. Guy who only plays three heroes, thinks Dota is as creative
as he was back in the day. You know, it's like, come on, dude. Come on, Jenkins. Yeah,
come on, Jenkins. I'm a big 33 fan, guys. I don't appreciate this slander. I'm not so
famous. I want to dispute. He's one of my favorite guys to watch. I think he's very
hilarious in the interviews. I like how much of a Dota player he is. I think he represents
full on. He represents all of us really. There are two wolves inside of all of us. And one
of them is Timbersall and Pipsqueak has said no more of that. They've seen enough from
that last game. It has a high win rate. It was not so long ago that the hero was first
picked, first ban, and you know, incredibly high win rate. It got nerfed a couple of patches.
In particular, the spells early level feel very bad. Oh my God, it's win rate that high.
Yep, it is. Yeah. Yikes.
I mean, just like think about it. There's a lot of first, there's a lot of like tanky
stuff going on and also like healing so first of all timber is tanky himself
generally in a tanky meta you lack damage somewhere but he's both tanky
himself and he counters what is kind of good because he has pure damage he also
like kills when people get healed or stand still you know some winter
wyverns and whatnot so overall just very good and like jaykin said he's weak
early because that's what they did to his spells but if you get through that then
you don't really care and pip squeak here obviously banned out I think it was
them the band of the Colt, right? Yeah, they did not give it to them. They did. You want to give it to
one wins. That means with the one fewer bands, they are inclined to take it. Yeah. Yep. And
banning out the Timber as well. I mean, they can play it very well. Echie can definitely take the
Hero. Now let's see what I mean, Copy can, you know, obviously play his like Pangolier, Ember
Spirit's band, but he's got heroes that can pair really well with the Colt on the mid lane.
Now what can Malak play with Kaudal? He has played Beast actually and that's that's one of the
That's one of the good pairings in the off-lane
But here we go it is
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Favorite hero that's a spirit hero. Yeah the dragon loves to what he was a big hater of DK like two months ago
Yeah, but it's the build some magic. He loves top. It's the tops and magic you can just stop it there
It's true, but it's just it is a good hero. He's busy and hasn't lost on it
It's also traditionally so it's not that good against
Caudal per se like alone cause Solarbind is quite good against you
But you generally counter all the combos that he wants to be playing with you know whether it's like some storm and bird voids
Very like insert any other hero DK is quite good against all of them in the mid lane
You do well. You also lock them down with like early blink stun
I think something else that you know 33 might look for later down the line is also doom generally when people
combo up or buff a hero? DOOM is very good against those because well you just
delete the one dude that they like buffing up a lot so that's something
it's probably not but it's worth asking the question obviously we're looking at
this as a BZM hero the dragon but it could could it be well could it be
flexed into the carry? it could be a shat hero like I think there's only very few
carries that would play it like Skeeter or Shad like I think the non-hard carry
carry players can do it yeah I mean I could I could see it won't happen but
it could you know chance it's just even even when BZM got Sark picked picked
against them he still did fine in the way yeah somehow he's solo now gonna be
the ultimate counter yes I definitely didn't turn out to be because he could
learn often that much yeah yeah so I feel like one win is in a situation where
they've tested it so many times and they've passed all the tests so you can
just throw it out mid it's always gonna do its thing and its thing is very strong.
I kind of want to see where they take like one of their support picks because
so generally when you have DK he's a lot like Ember you just want follow up
damage into a spring stun later so insert hoodwing or something like that
but also when you see Caudal you much prefer to have heroes like a bane as a
five or a clockwork not only because you can chase the Caudal in the lane it's
It's also a lot easier for these heroes to walk into the triangle and check, yo, is he
stacking?
Where is he warding?
What is going on?
And like take over that.
So they kind of have to choose like between the two.
I mean, maybe they can have been five like a hoodwing four, but you need a nice mix and
match.
Yeah, obviously we saw clock get hit with some significant nerves to the cogs.
Still great cogs, but it's still, yeah, it's still great.
It's still really good.
the call on the beast was very good because obviously that is the one that they are gonna take out
do you consider techies to be a hero that can like
run around to the triangle and stop okay well i guess that answers that question i just love how it
pairs with dk it's super good some setup stun for techies to you know blast off in triple mine
feels amazing i guess it's nice like techies is not it's also like it is a range hero but techies
He has a fairly good HP pool, you also don't really mind going crazy, you have the blast
off to maybe get out if you do go too deep and later you give some more vision around,
so I think it's a very valid pick here.
Oh, this is interesting, because Storm might be on 0%.
He won once, I think.
He won once.
If I'm not mistaken, he did get his first win.
Oh, there you go.
And okay.
So he's 1-8.
It's a thriller.
We're gonna get undying as well
These are a bit sus supports to pick together though like well, okay, sorry
It's actually probably gonna be an offline undying. Mm-hmm. All right with undying caudal very likely could be aiming the decays
It's Malak. So he's one of the
Offlane undying enjoyers. I really doubt they would
Support duo with these two heroes. They're gonna pick a five next almost certainly
You're probably right. Like I think like just yeah pick your five and like maybe the 23 pick
You know something I do want to go back to when I see these two heroes pick together
I heard collapse say in the I think the podcast with cap
He talked about the fact that he doesn't actually enjoy this lane very much like well coddle undying is a very good lane
You decay over and over again eventually undying wants to like abuse the pressure that he's building
Yeah, coddle doesn't really help you kill he helps you set up the thing you're already good at which is like winning your lane
and willing them down, but you need killers or stunners and lockdown.
That's, I mean, coming from Collapse would make sense, but that's an incredibly good
point.
I feel like Undying eventually, number one, nothing beats him in lane, and number two,
he eventually shoves you out of lane no matter what.
So having another hero that does that just, it does feel redundant, and it's not like
he can farm the stacks the Caudal wants to make, right?
At least not that good.
So it's something that they need to consider, perhaps they do like it as a 5 because it's
good against 33s here at pool, but the support duo is very hard to execute.
No stun, no lockdown, they both rely on just being in one place.
And of course.
Any time 33 is unsure of what's coming next, and it's his pick, he just takes doom.
And we've seen this from other teams as well, no matter what, doom is going to have value
in the game. You know, he gets Lone Druid picked against him. That's a pretty miserable
matchup for Doom. But at least you can get like the Ice Armor Creep and you can be fine.
Where you can go jungle and skill more points and devour and get your farm that way.
Yeah, at least like for Pipsqueak, they should be really happy with this pick. Like Lone Druid
is like probably top one, top two matchups into Doom. They do need to ban Necrophos.
If you're now Pipsqueak, I think that's not something you want to give Chad. I also don't
I don't want to really play Undying or Lone Druid into this hero unless they know there's
a way that Shad can be the carry DK and maybe there's still the last pick but Necro is not
the match of Babylon I see here.
Yeah, Life Stealer as well.
I like that idea because even though I think Caudal is pretty good against Necro and Undying
actually does pretty decent against Necro in lane, it's just like Lone Druid bear plus
probably a core Undying in the game. You're going to have so much value if you can get
out of the laning stage. And it's not like it's... Nekro is also the type of hero that
can win any lane. If you're just last hitting well and he has a good support behind him
too, you can maybe get a kill in on the Undying.
So one win on the same line of thought as you are with the fact that Undying is probably
the off lane. I would assume if that is the case you're looking for like another mealy
five. I think Tusk is very good for like the lane itself right like you have lone druid
there's two units that can abuse the icy hands as Jenkins likes to call it actually.
But you don't really the problem is you lose a big aspect of Tusk saving against Dark Willow.
It's very very difficult.
Well it's amazing here.
Tell me.
Ogre.
Long show.
Honestly Ogre is not bad. I think like if you had puppy here we go this guy loves Ogre
like he's a bloodlust enthusiast with like long druid storm this guy will pull it out listen it's it
I've given up on the hero being picked five percent win rate increase and I haven't seen it yet
I'm just gonna keep waiting you need you need pop it in a tournament and he ain't here
Yeah, one from forty four percent to forty nine percent winner. I did it's one of my e-sports heroes heroes
Because I'll be like you they do take the Necro. It's just it's so interesting to me to see these games where it
The undying should be a lifestealer and an echo in lane, at least he'll do fine, especially undying caudal, but even still, they're so good in the game, like that risk is not worth to leave it in.
What other supports do you see for Ike that maybe we haven't thought about yet?
Because I see pros for most of the heroes I think of, but there's also cons, like the task with the aggression but you lose out on the saves.
First of all, Neely5's is already kind of difficult.
There we go.
This guy's lich is legendary and you guys love the lich.
You want me to talk about that?
Yeah, talk about lich.
You love lich.
He...
Your grandmaster.
That's true.
He can deny creeps again.
That's good against 33.
He doesn't like that.
Oh, against 33.
That is true.
Obviously, I don't think his old people just walk away from it these days because it's
It's not Herald through but frost armor on the bear always nice.
Yeah, it is good.
So, you know, I think there's there are aspects of this to like also as well.
Sinister gaze interrupts a lot of spells, you know, if you want to get them off the techies
counter actually.
Yes.
That's what people do.
It stops blast off.
You can stop the blast off.
That was what everyone was doing.
It was like Lich and Rubik were the two heroes to just insta interrupt the blast off.
So you know me?
I live a bit of Lich.
I don't hate it, but obviously it's not
Standard meta, but I'm glad to see it is the first lift game. We've covered on this is a good morning crew
I think this is a very good windrunner pick though. It is against undying and laying you should be see. I'm sleeping
Hey, he is meditating
Bro's asleep. He does look asleep. I
Mean, he's okay this game. Okay. He's all good. He's nervous. He's all good. I thought he had gone there for a second
But now he's good
um
Yeah, it's a good it's a good win runner game imagine being that relaxed
I respect it. He is honestly. He is that sort of guy like bzm is
Very special. I don't love it place in the playoffs up for grabs and you just
Five minute naps. No, see you after the draft. He wakes up. What have you got me? You picked what?
He got the deacon. He's like whatever guys. It's fine. Pick whatever you want around me, but we saw bzm
Um, he played this time. Did he win twice? Three times? Three times?
Man, I've had the idea four times. He's popping off with it. So.
And of course, there is that flexibility now with build half tops and popularizing
this new magic build, uh, which might be what do we see that here?
Or more traditional DK.
I think it's generally the tops and builders, the one that I like the most.
Maybe not the medium. It's easy.
And he's easy to go for the tops and build minus three. It's agree.
Exactly like just without that. I do like both drafts
I would slightly prefer to be one win kind of like in game one
But I think there's a lot of things that pipsqueak have going for themselves, you know, you have loaned with against doom
That's a big plus. They have good Roche capabilities also with loan and undying so you can give an ages to copy
But I do think they might struggle a little bit. They need to clean up the mid game the the
Difference here for pipsqueaky clean butthole or whatever it was that you were saying
I'm sorry. It's a time of great anxiety. Right. Fair enough. Is that they are not relying on a solo carry in this game, right? It's not just true. Everyone protect SF. And then he has to carry against Wyvern, right? They have like, they have loan drew. They have storm. He can carry the game. Even on dying is a pretty crazy scaling hero. We saw what collapsed it at TI with this hero, right? If you could think the octarin core, your decay stacks up. So I don't think we're going to be in the same series.
So I don't think we're going to be in the same situation where if they lose the early game
Or if they win the early game, they could just lose one fight and then it all goes to hell
Like they've always got somebody they can rely on in this game. All right
I'm gonna throw over to our commentators and of course I want Sun's fan and Cinderyn's opinion about this lich
Love it love this hero. What a cool hero can heal buildings at level 25, which will definitely see this game
Okay, I mean honestly the most underwhelming thing about him is the chain frost. I agree with everything that they said and I feel like
It's a cool hero. I'm not sure we're not seeing a little bit more cindering
What are your thoughts not something matter? Oh, okay. I'm happy to be asked at least
Maybe other people think it matters a little bit. We'll wait a little bit on that though. Let's kill
Three heroes these first but let's fucking socks as ecce will follow suit Malik
We shall survive, already two deaths for Pipsqueak, great start for one win, that's why you don't pick Lich, because you just die, I guess.
I love the hero, I don't think it's good this game, that's the TLDR.
Thanks for pooping on our parade.
So here's the problem, yes there are the upsides of you can put Frost Shield on the bear like they talked about on Storm, and you can stop Blast off with Sinister Gaze, I think he has genuinely zero other upsides in this game.
I don't think he's a good support deal with Caudal because now neither of your supports has any playmaking capabilities
And on top of that your offlaner is on dying
So you're looking at a game where laundry needs to farm eggs
Wow, okay good science
Insane hero if you go to the right
Keep going let's you can make it you can do it um I
If you ask me prior to this game
I think it's a major outpick in general here for one win and in the last game
I kind of like pipsqueak strap and they still lost in 35 minutes, so that doesn't go well, but laundry to do some magic
Double roots into blood grenade good stuff. Yeah
So here's what's likely going to happen in this game laundry it will need to farm eggs
We've seen this hero is only being played one way. He goes me all near into eggs
That is a 10 minute period where he will do nothing, but he creeps
If Storm isn't popping off, the Radiant are doing nothing on the map.
This time around, one win conversely to the last game, actually have active heroes if they want to.
They don't have to do a lot here, but I've also been very...
I think BZM's easily best hero of the term has been DK. He's going to get to play it this time around.
Seemingly happy to play against basically anything. They first phase this hero and didn't really ban for him either.
Wait, I mean, when you have cosmetics that cool, I would want to pick it every game as well.
Maybe maybe it's a bug cosmetic that isn't just the cosmetic maybe gives you more stats or so. Oh, yeah
It gives you a little flame aura like an emulation. Yep. It's like oh if I can't play ember
I can just play we have ember at home. That's right. Well, it looks like it just more armor
So it is a spear versus spear in the mid after all
Yeah, that's where you sit up. Oh, they're gonna kill the bear. Yes. They did. That is a lot of gold for Ari
Oh
He was ultra aggressive, so he just got too low. They don't even have infernal blade
Sundarin, why do you ask rhetorical questions? Oh, you're right. They killed it by hitting it. Of course there you go, of course
Drake looking at PC with his friend meme
You know that one actually do know that one
Actually, it's better than usual. Thank you
So yeah, Finlayne, like you said, DK versus Storm, off to a pretty good start for BZM is 33, eventually does fall in the bot lane as you can see.
A lot of heroes here.
Yeah, they've come in numbers.
R is here too.
R, excuse me, Whitemon's here too.
Shad is here too.
Okay.
I got there, I got there in the end.
In my mind I'm like, oh there's a Windranger.
There's a windranger while the windrangers here at minute 230. It's probably the support, but no it is the carry
Shazam has for whatever reason rotated here
Yeah, he doesn't have much mana either. I mean they really want to kill Rensy
I assume after we resummon the bear, but it's a little bit crazy
Shaz is gonna get gazed in
Is he just dead?
gets to the high ground
He's resigned to his the high don't understand what that was. Why isn't the techies going here? What's happening?
Why is that a Windranger rotation?
Well, I feel like maybe it's because they stole so many of his kills last game.
He's like, I'll just play support.
If you guys can take it anyway.
Well, he has 5 CS, so I guess he might as well be a support.
I'm dying 18 and 9.
Windranger 5 and 2.
I know on dying caudalus and oppressive lane, this is not the result, I think, that this should be in the lane.
I don't think you can lose it this hard.
hard. And while going bottom is only gonna make matters worse like you have to
make a game for yourself. Yeah. I'm gonna get the sticky bomb out into nothing.
No. This is the thing that I would argue Pipsqueak plus more
genuinely need to win this game is that the lane stage has to go well.
And bottom lane and top lane so far looking quite good. I will die though so
maybe that is not the case. He's gonna take an Infernal Blade off the
He's just dead double kill for 33 the bear goes with them. Well, the goodness for Pipsqueak is that top lanes going well
So they got one lane. Yeah mid lane is in favor of BZM. I think dragon knight is
If both players play really well DK should win this lane
So I'm not really too surprised with that one. Maybe not by this much though. He's him kind of bodying him
Just seems like BZM is an absolute god in the lane of this hero in this tournament
He played against the Slark, he won the lane, he's playing against Storm, he's convincingly ahead.
It's interesting to see how he feels like more of a lane-dominator on Dragonite than an OD somehow.
He's just really making it work between Breathe Fire and Solid Mechanics, just excellent laning from him.
So yeah, all according to plan for one win.
Yeah.
I mean, Shad has not had great stars to games in general, so this is probably worse than
usual, but kind of far for the course on some level.
And in similar fashion to last game on his Sven, I don't think this is a game that he
absolutely needs to carry.
That seems to be a common trend.
They've got DK, they've got Doom.
These two heroes can easily become the focal point of the game.
3 loves that. He's always been about that. When he plays the Offlaner, that's a trait
that he shares with Amar is that both of them love to be the hero that can actually win
the game from the Offlane. Saw last game 33 and the Timbersaw very much did that. This
game on Doom, easily a possibility too. You're playing in Storm, you get a key Doom. Could
be a game winner. Alright, we'll take some abuse here, but we'll be okay. He's got Tango's
He has Trank soon coming out. That is the bane of Lich's existence.
Trank will boots really suck to play against in lane.
All the harassment just going to waste.
So I think if you're Pipsquake, what you're looking toward right now is making sure Storm is happy.
You want to make stacks for him. You want to get him up to level six.
Then you want to play with him with Caudal and try to get something done around the map.
I think every passing minute that both teams just farm.
One when, in my eyes, do have an advantage in spite of being against Lowndry, but also, they will, in addition to that, have supports that are eager to make plays between Techies and Wellow.
So we might see the roles reversed from last game where it was Pip-Squeak making most of it.
That's the game that you were talking about.
He's still going to die though.
Yes, indeed.
The good news is if Storm gets Ags and Lich gets Ags, they'll have the Blue Hole and the Sinister Hole.
as we like to call it.
I thought we settled on Gazehole.
I guess we didn't.
No. I think that one's a little risky.
So is your face.
That is definitely true.
I didn't expect me to say that, did you?
It's just a matter of time to BD, kicking in.
Spending enough time with another person and they start to rub off on you
and the worst way possible is generally how it goes.
We're starting a new meme for everybody that's in chat.
BD, it's brain damage, you can just use it.
Sounds like body odor.
Well, you can have BD and BDO, I mean, honestly, one cause is the other.
You can add BD.
If you have BD, you're going to have BDO, 100%.
Mid tower.
Looks to be pretty good.
Looks to be pretty good.
Yeah, it's got, I mean, that's not a couple of BDs as well, with this issue.
This is not great.
No, the sergeant will bring it back, no repair kit.
TP from Undying, okay.
I think it's in onto BZM Mallet.
It is here along with Ike.
This looks like the kill onto BZM, so it is a nice pickup.
A custom, they're tier one.
Yeah, I think Mission Accomplished still there for one win.
That's good enough.
Get the tower, force the Undying to TP of all heroes.
It's gonna give some nice space to Shad, who, as we've established, does need it.
Is it going to be a gigashad or the shat GPT?
That's a really good nickname.
Shat GPT is a good one, Shannon.
So good.
I know you did that up right.
Yeah, that's good.
There's some viewers tuning in that didn't hear the panel, and you're like, oh, that's
funny.
But obviously, it should not give you credit.
Don't worry.
Gigashad takes out Ekki.
Yeah.
Just solo kill with...
Wait, what's that?
Wait, was that Focused Fire? It sure was.
Evan.
Why? The BD is really strong with you today.
It might have felt Shad just sound kind of British, doesn't it?
Oh, yeah. I guess so.
Speaking of Shad, he's out leveling Malik now somehow.
He's completely fine now.
This top lane is no longer a win, really.
So, a Kotlin dying Drew now.
In the meantime, they're losing their Bob Tower. Ari being annoying. Nothing more than that though.
He's alone here, just trying to contest the bear. Steal some experience maybe.
All right, level six. Yes.
Use that chain frost on the solo target. That's what it's there for.
If you see that, gets the dragon tail off since you're getting immediately cancelled.
Chain frost, not doing a whole lot. Get some creep kills though.
Oh
But down to tombstone copy joins the party as well and this electric board check to the eventual kill 33 wants some revenge though
Set on an infernal blade should bring him down
No denying to the creeps and they have coffee in their sights
Blast off not even needing this zoom. No good horse dead three overall one for one win
But that was the first and it looked like it was gonna go pipsqueaks way
but one win came in numbers.
It took them so long to kill Shad, like they had to run him down for 10 seconds
and in the meantime with Focus Fire he almost killed the Undying.
That's what I was saying, that's illegal if he gets that kill.
Almost did, but the team shows up and finishes the job and now...
Now they have you being up top.
Need a slow.
They get the important blade.
So this is a back-to-back test for the Undying.
Not good.
And they took the bot tower already with DK in the meantime.
Now there are some stacks here that they desperately need to get for their storm
They keep being spotted. Yes, he is
He's gonna get focus fired in front of play was not there, but he should be run down anyway
33s drums
Where's the Midas bro? Yeah, where's the radiance the Midas?
What else can you buy?
33 hasn't been as big on the radiance as as the Mar has but I mean the drums obviously great
They're necessary for the kill. They needed that extra burst of speed to get there. This is a nice steal as well
I think if this man there's just this is I
know it's 2k but
Looking at the overall trajectory of this game gets off the chain cross no bounces though
He just gets picked up immediately, but easy M and a bit of trouble now
Slowed up. Thanks to the coddle get prop back to the hiker try to TP will not get out with his life
So Pipsqueak able to defend, I mean, they got the hard camps, did one win.
I think that's kind of an even trade to kill DK there. You use a lot of resources, he steals a lot of the stacks.
It definitely doesn't feel great for them.
And yeah, numerically we've seen countless games be recovered from a position of like minus 3k at 11 minutes.
I'm just looking at the big picture of how these line-ups function and I in my eyes
Fifth Street's lineup has to win the laning stage
So they've lost twice over in that sense. This is not a regular being behind 2k
You're behind 2k with Caudillan dying as your one sideline the other one is with Lone Druid
two lanes that were designed
to
Absolutely pressure and crush the opponent both have failed to do so
Look at this. Yep
Another wave he wants to get very greedy. I mean this is what you do in pub games when you want to lose
You just stack waves for the opponent and then you pull the bear away and let the waves push bottom and get the throne
So depending on his mindset right now on rincey there is an opportunity here
Obviously in pubs you can't GG you have to wait until the throne falls unless it's a five stack game
He's maybe he's just playing too many pubs and he's stuck in that mindset or
Who's he stacking for? Is it for himself or is somebody else getting some of this?
Is it a question? This is very unusual.
Give all of it to Caudal.
That would be hype.
Oh, he's going to...
BZM?
Are you sick and tired of this bear?
It'll be the death of...
Oh, yeah, he has daggers, so...
Leipman respecting BZM will get him to kill because he does not respect Shat's GPT.
Well, Leipman got it, so good shot.
Yeah, he respected him speaking of chat these creeps
I think one one should play a fight with this wave
Bring your here bring your heroes protect the wave. This is huge like this is what's that 500 volt
Force the enemy team to take a fight to you that they probably can't win this is I mean
Yeah, it's cool to stack all these waves to try to get the farm you need to finish the job
They're gonna get dove in the time. This is back stabbing
Terrible if they die here at insults injury this cannot go wrong
But I think it might go wrong. Yeah, well, it's not allowed to that's what I'm trying to say here
TP
And they're gonna spot a power guy hits to the jump in 33 gets the doom on me and dying to start things out
Why mon is dead though shackles find this way to copy still has manner to get away
Meanwhile, you can see the undying eventually will take out 33 is gonna be the trade though a shad in the area
Yeah, then Mori lost two on the side of one,
when they're gonna lose the Dark Willow as well,
the Dragon's gonna have the last moment off to copy.
Not a whole lot of men are to speak of,
though they get their Ruth onto DK, BZM,
trying to finish the job on a copy,
the Bramble's gonna hit three fires enough,
it'll be a trade again for BZM,
so just a bloodbath, three for three,
and the Illuminate makes it a fourth, so one win.
End up, I guess, losing this fight.
Yeah. Probably kind of even.
Oh, what happened to the creeps?
Yeah, I mean, they end up all dying to the tower, I think,
but the kills themselves actually made that worth it for Pipsqueak.
Maybe it was a bait all along, Senator.
That's a very elaborate bait to set up for three consecutive minutes, but hey, it ended up working out.
Um, 33 maybe over 9, I think there's a kill, Malik.
Oh, goodness, Malik.
Everywhere he goes, 33 shows up.
He gets the tombstone down, and we'll get denied.
If he did force out his ult, I suppose.
Considering that the 1-1 were just up 2.5 to 3k, you gotta say that was a pipsqueak win.
And look at he level 10 caudal at minute 15. This is super, super good for him.
He's going to, I believe, complete his spirit vessel now.
So a very unusual item to see by any support, but caudal, since you buy it as a mid hero,
You can also buy this a thought a 405 white monster getting clubbered
He's getting what clubbered clubbered. That's the thing. Okay
That's what clubbering looks like. Yep
Okay, we might have more a little bit more of a game on our hands than I was expecting that sequence was actually extremely crucial
for pipsqueak still don't favor them, but
could have been a lot worse now if that bottom fight goes badly or down 6k now
you've equalized the game
oh it's easy I'm nearby so really gonna finish him off with the bed line I like
that a lot for BGM just back away immediately but Shad gets killed at the
top so it's a carry for Kerry another team's gone place looks like this time
They'll run him down.
No innate quite yet.
Everybody's just dying in different places.
Good luck observing this game.
Apparently we had four kills in four different locations.
Back to back, there was a successful chain-frost connection there for Mike.
He has the shard.
I'm not sure if that was even used there since it's all cooled down.
Close to a 50-50.
For now.
I mean, a lot of the time, Dota Plus will think this when the...
when the gold is even at 16 minutes.
There's no specter here to give it an 80-20.
Loves that hero like none other.
Oh, he's in with the haze.
Not gonna get it.
Good attempt.
Hoppy didn't really have much mana either.
Yep.
He has Kaisange though, so.
Shad struggling.
Although if you look at the lone druid,
basically the same net worth, so.
How are they tied?
Shad got five CS minute four or three or something.
went to the gate, died bottom, and still, he's down 45 CS against Laundryd, and he's down 300 gold.
Wait, what? What gives?
Must have gotten a killing spree kill.
He's 3, 3, and 7. Laundryd is 2, 2, and 3.
That's a lot more assist.
There's some Tower Gold. I'm still surprised this difference isn't bigger though.
I really was expecting Laundryd to be higher up.
Yeah, it makes sense. Doom applies to the undying.
Little toss in his life. That tempted TP looks like he's gonna be fine,
since their gaze not quite in range. That's really, really nice for 33.
They're gonna get the IM jump in, gets the fireball, and then it'll be a kill onto Lich now.
Gets off the trade front, so with his shard, and that just blows up easy end.
Very nicely done. Not respecting the Lich.
And Whitemon, it's up to Blast up to the 10, they're going to lose vision for a bit, but
I'll be in company, finish the job in the end, double kill for the storm.
Yeah, that looked really good when Doom was able to solo kill and get out and force two TPs,
but fortunately for the side of Pipesqueak, BZM went on an additional target,
and that actually made their TPs worthwhile.
If he doesn't jump the Lich there, that feels awful for Pipesqueak,
up two heroes getting no return on the doom kill or on the undying kill I should say.
Now they end up getting a decent trade.
Still looking okay.
So undying offlane by the way in this tournament is 0 and 4.
And DK mid is 3 and 0.
So either two records will be broken or none.
That's really exciting.
Yeah. Always cool to see flawless score lines for a hero, you know?
Well, Malak's 0-5 to start this, so...
Yeah.
I mean, making the heroes win rate.
Yeah, for sure.
I love this hero, though.
Oh, man, yeah.
Why do you think it's struggling...
in a tournament?
Yeah, I don't know, actually.
I personally think the hero is really, really strong, so...
But this timeline has just been...
backwards, Day.
Darkseer seems to not be able to win a game somehow. Bounty Hunter is ignored in drafts now.
A couple of big surprises in this tournament. You can tell the teams themselves also are surprised because they've been taking days to accept that Bounty Hunter seems to not be winning and same with Darkseer.
I don't know if you take damage inside Tombstone if you're doomed.
You should not.
There's no way.
You should not take damage.
No, there's no way.
Then he might have lived.
Yeah, I think he panicked. He must have came out really fast.
I think he misclicked with his hero when he was trying to micro the bear.
That's true.
Because that's at least something for one when they're there.
I can't remember if they changed it, but if you just right-click out of it, eventually
you come out, right?
Yeah.
So...
He probably just issued a move command there.
We've seen that quite a few times. I'm not sure why that's the case. I mean, yeah, I
don't know why that's the case.
Sometimes people mess up.
What would the alternative be?
You have to click the tombstone and click an ability or something?
It's kind of weird as well.
Click the eject button when you have to take the USB drive out.
That's right.
Make sure you remove your devices safely, everybody.
The most overrated thing in the world.
It doesn't matter.
Literally doesn't matter.
Why is it still a part of the system?
It's probably like if they remove it, people are like, oh.
Maybe like first generation USB had that problem?
It's been so long, honestly. If you have that USB and you're ruining it by taking it out, then
It's time for a new computer. Let's be real
That's the final test of your PC if you can't eject a device
BGM about to get games
Yep, not sure that's some members. No, no, I don't think so
There's a mine helping out a little bit with info, and as a matter of fact, yeah they get a caudal.
So it's wrapped around instead.
And these caudals are actually decently meaningful when he's this high level.
It's a decent chunk of XP and gold.
As you saw there, he gave a bounty of like 550 I think.
It's not bad.
Changing costs.
Changing costs for Shad, only bounce once.
Yeah, one win definitely won a pounce now.
Pounce now no coddle no chain frost which means effectively two heroes dead almost who and it's a double BKB timing
Yeah for one win now eggs on bear. Yeah, so he can just f off and fall away
No, not like he's been all that involved until now, but now the bear can choose to
33
And they are gonna get him
That's a six X kills tree big as possible fine. Oh my god the damage
Let's just melts. He's inside the tombstone, not dying quite yet.
And one more inferno blade does the job.
Oh, he pops the FB at the last moment.
Burns away anyway. That was really close, actually.
And they're going to get a free tombstone kill out of this as well.
Yeah, that talent generally might have mattered for that.
I think the power shall also collect them, maybe.
I'll tap this time on the throttle. Like you said, worth a little bit more than the other supports.
First ground does not get to the high ground.
Oh, Smolder there, he can pop his BKB for 33, did not want to do that, but still worth it in the end.
He's B Smolder.
He's on the top side, they want the brrrr.
He's gone now.
Now that we're talking about bears, of course. Did we mention this on broadcast?
The grizzly versus polar bear combo. Yeah, yes, you did mention that yesterday. Okay, sorry
You told me that two or three times by the BD really kicking in my toy. Oh
Malik dragon tail peran boy, he's not going anywhere
Starting to reach that midgame point of
Starting to seem a little bit similar in a way to last game
Now we're approaching that later portion of the mid game and kind of just one win
to me it feels like one win these mid games this is like the time that they
love to shine just regardless of what lineup they have they always draft for
it
got a is there a key item coming out for storm anytime soon does he have the
link it's now I think you just got it yeah because I was looking to see this
is still the hero I got my eyes on if you want to win this game is pipsqueak you
need to play around coffee. It's been a decent game for him. He's 9-3-3, which is usually
a great scoreline for the storm. But even with the Lincolns, can't feel fully confident
that he's not going to get doomed or vk-stumped. They have other ways of breaking it. Shackle
shot, focus fire. Annoying, pesky little animal will be killed here, as a matter of
You would think so.
You're not gonna hit.
Desiccrate does so much damage with Windrake.
Remove 50% of the base armor.
Focus fire is no joke with that.
I love how 33 always has a different creep.
He's like one of the few people that just actually leads the game.
Huh? Thanks.
Yeah, that's one way to put it.
He has been gravitating heavily towards Fireball like most dooms, but...
I do think desecrate is really good here.
Every now and then the BD will disappear briefly for him.
Oh, you think he has that?
Every single pro player has brain damage.
Sorry, GD.
There's no-
That's such a great blanket.
There is no-
That's a good motivational quote.
One of those with a very nice sunset background for your PC.
Every single person has brain damage.
Copy!
Able to zip.
Oh, they say that, they still find the Lotus Orb is applied though, the chain pops his fountain, they were zipped away in the end.
33 are gonna focus out on the Hector, instead the Blast off is there to get the two supports, Tombstone, not gonna do too much, they get the bear in addition as they're dying back up and running.
No bear for 50, so this is effectively F4v3 right now.
If I'm dying, didn't have that, uh, excuse me, innate, B4v2.
C copy, can they do anything about it though?
Trying to push the waves.
Check the shot.
That's a hard one.
Nice attempt, not gonna get it though.
And he's out.
Kinda close actually.
I don't think he could have broken the Lincoln's.
Ah, true.
That's why Shat's, Shackle Shot was, would have been kinda cool there,
tried to connect it from the creep onto the hero.
Time to get a Halberd BZM.
Everyone's favorite item.
Yeah, I think if he wants to break Lincoln's...
Orcid.
You would rather buy anything else.
You'd rather buy four staff.
Something can go pike with that.
Halberd.
Halberd.
So sorry.
I wonder how many buffs that item needs before it's relevant.
The last time we mentioned it in a cast, somebody built it in that same game later.
And then they lost.
Probably unrelated.
And that's the last time we've seen it.
I think so.
That game was...
Time to go through BKB again, you know?
Yeah, I guess.
It's a hard item to balance, really, it seems.
Alright, bit.
They're scanned out, so...
Pipsqueak, no.
White Monsignor lay some lines for vision.
Defense being mounted, Malik.
Gonna have to go in pretty quick.
Boss of Electron, blinks right in, puts himself in the tube stone,
zip in as well as Shad will snatch the Aegis,
so the kill goes the way of Pipsqueak.
Malik dies very swiftly.
Now on the high ground one way trying to turn this around they're gonna lose two supports. I guess they're just gonna be happy with this ages
Probably came for but not the kill
In terms of gold that is not really a dire advantage, but having the ages feels
Really nice trading two supports for an offline is okay ish, so not too bad
Poppy is going BKB as well. I am not a big fan of this and I know so we've talked
about this at multiple times now but it's not like you're far behind but I
think if he buys two defensive items I worry that we fall into the same trap
as last game where Doom and Dragonite are just too tanky and they don't have
the damage. I would have loved to see a Parasman in this slot and just really
You know believe in your own skill and the linkens to be enough and just you have to outplay here if you're going way too
Froschield you have tombstone save like there's yeah
I think if you get doomed you just did and I think you're also dead if you have BKB
I don't really I don't know if this item is going to drastically change his options in this game enough that it's worth
sacrificing damage for
I have a trivia. It's not really a trivia kind of
This was a thing back in the day. What is the first hero you think of with Lincoln's BKB?
Weaver very good round of applause for sender and everybody much. Yeah, good work beating the BD allegations
Live right now. No, it's gonna get jumped. I know that is BD in itself actually
Yeah, I'm not feeding the allegation. Sorry about that one wrong as well like the bear falls
Shat will take that kill
When this loan druid do something in this game, what does the bear have right now?
It's working on he's actually opting for a kb over silver edge
I mean it makes sense against Windranger, but usually we see the bear go silver so it can pose a kill threat around the map
map, but with this build they will know where it is at all times, that's going to make their
life a lot easier.
Surely, if you have Silver Edge, who does he kill?
Supports?
It's not just about the fair solo killing heroes, it's also getting an entrance point
into the fight that makes it difficult for the enemy to respond properly, or you know,
just even forcing something like a BKB or a key ability.
But this build, I think they're just going to see the bear, they're going to disable
33 damage rune, Malak again. That's who they want.
One man's nine. He absolutely melts.
And they even find the smokebreaker.
Ike.
It's crazy that the goal is only 1k, 11 kill lead with Doom.
And the overall feeling and the flow of this game, Undyne being this dirt poor, but that's faunal I suppose.
Shackle on the bear, no follow-up.
We'll just TP you out. Now the Zippin onto Shad has the ages though.
Copy, I mean doesn't provide that much death threat or kill threat rather.
Well, death threat as well I suppose.
We've got Bobby's defensive items right now.
We'll be able to dodge the gank.
Nice attempt there, maybe a lot more interesting if Ari has a ULs.
And then you can you pop the linkins there could perhaps blink yours the storm and then set up a kill that way
But yes glimmer
Another hero with glimmer on your screens is getting change from shamed down
Feels good. I
Only 11 levels away from being the heal buildings. Yeah hold on to your hats everybody
It does sound pretty obnoxious to play late game against a split pushing bear and the 25 lich
that might be very annoying I say might we still need to get that full five-man
lineup that interacts with towers that exists was it Ogre lich yeah used to be
Wyvern when facets exist free and protector triant so we lost Wyvern so
this three right now I can't think of any others right now off the top my head
buff towers hmm that's unfortunate isn't it yeah sure is we need to do that
yeah I love a tower hero that's right cinderant yeah very cool I feel like
We're missing one.
Oh.
I can open up the hero thing real quick.
Pick up the casting, please.
Hello, my man!
Agents expires.
Coffee is waiting in the tree line.
Not really sure if he's hiding or planting.
Maybe he was trying to break his smoke.
Which wasn't there.
Did you find your hero?
Still looking?
I did it very fast.
I mean, Jekiro does damage to the account.
Yeah, then you're adding Leshrac to Huckna.
So it's about defensive buffing of the tower.
Yeah.
I don't think there's anything else than Trant, Lich25, and Ogre.
That's too bad.
Give the people what they want, Val.
Every time we make a statement like that, there's always one more.
But I'm sure somebody will angrily tweet at us.
Yeah, that's right.
That's what they do.
I always read those tweets in very angry tones, even though they're very nice about it.
Son of a bitch.
So PZN, is this all heart he's building?
Uh, yeah.
Oh, he's got the Messerschmitts.
Hard on DK, hard on Doom. Starting to see a pattern here.
It's a great item.
Don't nerf it, please.
Oh, Shad's gonna take a full chain frost.
Oh my goodness!
My goodness, it's actually enough.
The copy was there for assistance, but 90% of the damage done by Ike gets away with murder.
Well, he doesn't get away, I guess, but...
Murders.
He'll take it.
Murders and Storm gets away, is what you were trying to say?
That is the Lich Specialson.
Now, you see the possibilities of this hero should be picked more.
What hero can you think of?
Support.
It goes 5-11 and can solo kill a carry.
Yeah, that's true at 34 minutes. Like it's very rare
Dragon Tail
Finds his way to the bear make different help out of a lich game. This is he is making you here look quite good
And he slows us there. Oh, good. It's white mon careful now. Yeah
BGM when you get rooted attempted TP. He's actually gonna go out. Okay, all right. Oh
33 will die. Oh that was a reaction and a half on camera. He was just shaking his head
head while having it almost in his hand.
I'd love to see him shake his head again if we can get a replay of that.
Hart officially online now for BZM.
2K lead for Pipesqueaks, they're definitely holding strong despite some of the issues that
they were having throughout this game.
Namely Malik's nine deaths.
Yeah.
Had it loaded BKB going for... Oh, he's going for the Crella's Crozier.
Interesting choice.
Yeah, it's good against Windranger, but it's good against DK, would you say?
So, especially this DK build, DK builds build a lot less around right-clicking.
I say that, he has an armlet, but I figured it'd be good against Hart, is it not?
Oh yeah, I mean, against the Hart it's nice, that's true.
That part of it is good.
You got double heart. Yep. Let's do him.
Now let's see if Riddensey feels like he needs to buy Hydra's Breath this game on the bear.
Would not recommend.
And that's kind of like one of the Parasma 4. Another attempt on to Shad's life,
attempt to get out to BKB and then take out Lynch, but it will be a trade thanks to that fair.
And so not able to TP out it seems.
Yeah, he pounded him with Desicrate, or excuse me, I'm Desicrate with Petrify, that pierces.
So this is probably the biggest reason now that we think about it why he got this is to be able to keep the bear in place, or at least a big part of it.
He's going to keep this creep the rest of the game.
That's pretty interesting.
Really nice against Lowndraid.
Minus 50% armor or base armor and the ability to stop BKB'd CPL.
So the Petrify, it's an auto cast, so you can choose not to use it.
It's an attack modifier that you would toggle on.
It's like an infernal blade.
Like Janata.
Or infernal blade.
Or infernal blade.
But yeah, Janata.
Very good center.
Yeah, that's right.
We're both right.
Why are you making a big deal out of this?
True correct statements.
It's just for you, it's fitting because you always make things more difficult than yourself for no reason.
I don't think that was difficult. It was really easy to do.
Like today was very cold outside. I might not vary, but cold enough that you would want to jack it.
And you don't bother checking your phone to see what the weather is because every other day it's been hot.
And you brought your jacket.
This was fine. I'm from Denmark. I was happy.
I was happy.
Okay.
I was just saying, it's...
Yeah, I mean...
You could do the easy thing and just check.
No, the easy thing is to do nothing and hope you're right.
That's easy.
But you're on your phone so much, how do you not see what the weather is?
It's mind boggling to me.
Because I don't have the weather widget on my...
That's weird.
No, but I like living life dangerously, see?
It's just an RNG roll.
Roll of the dice every time you walk outside.
I walk outside my front door to go for a walk with my dog and if it's raining, it's like,
oh well, and then I do the whole walk.
I feel so bad for your dog.
onion. I love an umbrella. Yeah, I was like, what am I going to change for him? See, that's
your problem. You don't think of your pets. Oh, that's the problem. Okay. Cater your
life. What should I do for him when it's raining, you think? Buy an umbrella. An umbrella
for the dog. Have you? Yes. That would be the number one way to show you a beading public,
I think, is to walk around holding an umbrella over your dog. You can attach it to the collar
And it has its own little baby umbrella doesn't matter where he goes. There is no way this exists
Have you ever seen that I have not I'd like to patent it that would be the most American thing
I guarantee somebody's done that or worse. They have I mean, yeah, it makes sense 5k lead for pipsqueak is this
Conversations getting away from us. There's a parax much jinx
Thank God some silence
Very close game not at all actually
Do you agree with this?
No.
I mean, it's late game laundry.
It is winning a lot.
I feel like it's 50-50 still.
I'm kind of in that boat too, but don't underwrite the bear.
It is winning a lot of games this tournament.
Storm is not though, so this is the ultimate test.
Is the bear best or is the storm shittiest?
You wouldn't know anything about storms.
You don't check the weather app.
That's right.
I do check for bears though.
Standable Tier 2 taken out
Two and a half minutes on the Aegis core Shad. Oh interesting. He goes time to look home a one win
You want for Revenant's brooch by the way?
That's a lot of damage.
It's off the spear, but it'll still be a dead bear at the end of the day. Oh, I would think so
Matt, I would not think so. Did he notice Pettifold?
I used it
No, it was ready. Am I wrong in saying this goes through BKB? I mean it says pierces. Yeah, I think he could have done that. He must have misclicked, I think.
33 misclick? I don't know about that. Okay.
Yeah, it must be tooltip that's wrong. I don't know what's more likely of those two, actually.
I mean, it says pierces debuff immunity.
It could be just the damage. I feel like the petrified pierces too, though.
But then again, haven't we seen clips of people trying to BKB TP out next to the ancients and then getting rooted by it?
I feel like we've seen it. I don't know why I would say pierces with physical damage in it because obviously physical damage will pierce. Yeah
Doesn't really make much sense that it wouldn't work
BGM buys
So they have to be oh, is it fuselage?
BGM's 25 now. Okay, they're gonna reflect the stun
BGM's not gonna be too happy about this. Spirit Vessel applied them as well already at half HP
I'm turning it harder than that he gets the disperser eventually.
Roger, Banner in place. Barry, aggressive.
Yeah, Barry offensively plays position on that.
They're trying to buy time. The bear is knocking on the front door and they will go back to deal with it.
Yeah, the irony of Lone Druid saying that is not lost on me.
BZM will get roared and the bear will go away.
So yeah, BZM gets the defusal. He's going to turn this into a disperser obviously.
Obviously just feels like offensive tool to break Lincoln's and he thinks this is the best secondary utility for himself
Being able to break out of roots being able to break out of blinding light
Does sound really really nice to be honest
So I'm on board with this and he can easily slot something out. You just sell the armlet
I don't think that our item is important anymore. I mean he did kind of buy it semi recently
Yeah, didn't you buy that before the heart? I don't think so
I think he's had his inventory either that or he took it apart and then built it again or something thought it before octarene
and no
Yeah, you can take a full chain frost. Yeah, they just know yeah, I hope so
We watched the front. It was 20 seconds left. Oh, that's great. All right, fair enough
So get the kill on the left side the BD is kicking in right here
Well, it's like the TP's successful jail the counter strike legend jet lag
It's a copy, I don't know, I'm thinking about it.
33, I haven't talked about this but he does have the eggs do him almost sheevahs now actually
just sells an item.
Rancy, triple TP's, he gets the rank, Eric.
Haha, nice instructive gameplay brother.
Oh, it's a doctor.
Yep, he's got another.
He got rain trucks, not bad.
That's a good panda.
Great work.
Great work! Oh look at him! He's so cute! If only the design wasn't so fucking stupid.
Yeah, he's a good boy. It would be great, but look at him though.
He could use an umbrella on rainy days.
He just put it on the satchel there. Little baby umbrella.
Yes!
Okay, now he's very careful. He doesn't look that cute anymore when he does that.
That's pretty toxic actually. Split pushing with the bear and then using that voice line over and over is honestly just
Despicable behavior
Keep these lanes pushed at all times now
And 25 is huge by the way storm yep, he's got the overload attack bounce now. That's an incredible damage upgrade
Anyone else 25 aside from DK? I don't think so. Oh, Windranger just got it too, so that's the Focusfire Kill Advance, which is a nice talent, but I haven't really seen many fights extend beyond 10 seconds.
And this time DK took the other talent. Not the armor in Regent. Took the worm's wrath bonuses. So more elite and more magic damage.
And a doom is about to get the applies mute
Come on take the scores earth. Come on these late game talents on the dire or
nasty
How would you rate storms 25? I think it's one of the best in the game
Probably
Got it so hard because there's so many good. Yeah, obviously, but is your is your gut like okay?
This is top 10 like what's your first reaction? I feel like it's a top 10 town
I mean, I hadn't really thought about that one too much
It's really, really strong.
Very good.
Doom's got to be top 10. Yeah, that's pretty crazy.
The Scorch-Darth one, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, of course, yeah. The Pro players just don't get it.
No, they're dumb. They, they'll be D. They love Mute.
You like that one? I feel like if you're, if you're muted you shouldn't be able to use voice lines.
what do you think? yeah that sounds good fair looks to be dead
Mirage of course like being in game muted
just recently he just spawned one again
so when is it going to refresher is the real question
that's the best 25 town in the game not the unlimited of course
Frost shield heals? yes of course
it's good in the rare occasions that you lose on lich
Obviously this hero never loses in my hands, so I've never been to 25. Always win at like 20 minutes.
Okay, thank you so much.
Oh, they killed the bear again here! This could be big!
This is actually a huge moment of...
Oh, too slow!
BZM, you're so young, how do you not get that?
Yeah, unfortunate. It's kind of important. It would have been bet for 50 seconds. That would probably be...
potentially I don't know if they could even got tier three off of it I guess not
it's so weird looking at laundry's net worth to level ratios also stupid
close to 40k net worth he's level 22 how good are his 25 talents they're okay I
think the bear one is decent just like effectively plus 15% damage right almost
or not really you need to entangle them first but it's okay I take the
demolish this time this feels like a rat game oh does it yes because it's a
late game laundry yeah oh it's actually just we see honest pushing that never
works well let's not they went they went up here and like nah let's wait for
then to push and then let the little panda do its thing.
253 damage, they keep upping that by one every other patch.
Yeah, novel of silly memes.
We're on to you.
Oh, look, it's a Roshan.
Oh, look, it's a bear waiting on top.
Very sneaky.
What's the bunch of little meat in the tower?
So we have a couple of acts online now for BZM.
Who's the other one?
Was that Lich?
Yeah, we got the Sinister Hole.
That is really strong in the right circumstance.
This obviously also allows you to cast your other abilities during Sinister Gaze,
which was the last time Lich felt relevant was when you could do that without eggs.
You could just cast Sinister Gaze and Ult and Shard in that order.
It's very, very strong.
But now you can with the Scepter.
There's actually one of the most fearsome late-game supports when it gets to this point.
Flash golem in the pit.
Gonna get away with this. Illuminate actually might be spotted by...
They know on when.
Oh, she's already getting pretty low. Power shot.
We'll get the bell shot now.
Oh, ours in there!
Okay, very deep. A shot towards the focus fire.
Onto I, takes a chain cross, gets the kill.
Now we're gonna focus everything onto Ekki.
The chain-pump is still bouncing, by the way.
Now the root onto the windrunner.
Rincey destroys him.
Mallet down, running down BZM.
As Rosh just waiting to get picked off,
BZM finally uses his ult.
As that Agnus Scepter now can now traverse terrain,
slowing Mallet to a high degree.
He just cannot get out of the fountain,
trying to drop him to Cortex.
Onto the DK.
He can't go anywhere.
The storm spirit can't go anywhere.
They pop the linkage, can only stand his ground.
It's not going to be for too long.
And a continue on with that doom onto the undying as Eki will fall as well.
It's four dead for Pipsqueaks.
There's a five backer actually that will be the Nade coming through
as Rincey will take out Ari in turn.
Not going to kill this bear.
Something to TP.
There's some kind of psychic attack from five.
Malak is there.
Need to kill this bear.
There's the tombstone to save the bear.
Of course that works on it.
It's a hero now.
He's going for the ancient byther, the Variks rather.
He'll kill off the Variks.
He's going to get another one now.
So this time he cannot get back in unless there's a 5x situation.
Okay, cleaned up 90 seconds, no innate.
I believe the barrel is just spawned again.
Don't give BZM DK.
Look at that damage numbers.
It's down for 70 seconds.
Look at that damage.
Oh, you guys can't look at it.
12 and a half thousand damage that fight from Dragon Knight.
Not bad. He did more damage than the enemy team combined, by the way.
That is insane to look at, actually. I wish you guys could see it at home.
Unlucky. Valve will get on it.
Rosh is still up, but they want to take advantage of this
double death onto Undyne.
Oh, Gaze! That's a lot of damage indeed!
three jumps and they want to kill off the caudal. Focus fire applied and the dragon
killed that is down to death with the caudal. Turn and seek, things around onto the lich as well.
Terrorite holds him in place and just like that, it's three dead without buyback on hip
squeak. They can probably... It's going to be a two versus five. It may be still the
10th because of Storm. Just keep zipping back and forth. Well he didn't even zip to
the wave. That's going to do much. They're going to get this barracks and
certainly they're going to stick around you would think. Or they just go for the
Safe Roche. No, the fire's still up for Shad. They still have Doom again. True. So
33 looking for the opening. He's a Lincoln's breaker. The Y he does have AoE Doom, I suppose. It kind of just needs the storm to show
This is probably mega. It's like what do you do?
That's the ferret, the electric vortex on the copy. Lincoln just popped 33, Leonard goes for the AoE Doom into the blink
And this is definitely a dead copy.
Does have Bi-Bank this time around.
The bear is beating a shit out of Shad.
Shad GPT taken out.
33 in the meantime.
Still focusing on the bear, or is there the other way around?
Bi-Bank comes out from the storm spirit.
Trying to focus down on the white one.
We'll get that killed pretty easily.
33 on the run.
I'm trying to do something with this life on the lich.
They will kill off 33.
And now the attempted TP from BZN.
He's fine.
So it's not mega creeps.
It's two sets of barracks that costly hold, right?
Right that is lich and storm buying back, but there was no other play you get mega there a hundred percent without that, so
All right, they stay in it
But it feels like we're one doom cast away from ending this game if 33 gets on top of copy this game is over
Gaben still thinks they win a third of the time from this position absolutely loves pandas
Hugh doesn't other than other pandas
Alright, so Roche might actually go to Pipsqueeze. I don't think one way can do anything about this.
That's one benefit of buying back and holding there.
And you're surely putting these ages on this form. Need to protect them from the doom.
Oh, don't mind. Good attempt. You jump in the tombstone.
It's a bigger hitbox. A little trick.
Alright, we got Blue Hole, we got Sinister Gaze Hole as well.
That sounds worse when I say like that, it's the double whammy.
He's so insanely farmed on this DK.
He's about to buy the Aghanim's Blessing and then slot in a full Mjolnir.
And then what's left is the overwhelming blink to get him up to about 6000 HP.
Also level 29 on BZM.
So the 30 talent within striking distance will be another 12 armor and more region feels good
Octurine now on doom
Is it octurine and
Yeah, okay. He has octurine and the eggs
Surprisingly doesn't have a fresher yet. Yeah
What does he usually go for fresher I think in the slot well usually usually doesn't have the heart
Yeah, right, so that's the difference, but
Well refresher sharp for the bear doesn't need the old-fashioned way
It is a little bit bold of 33 to do this though if you have a bad fight now you can actually lose the game without buyback
But he spent all his gold
He's 2k away from buyback. All his teammates have it though except for the cooldowns on willow and techies.
Oh greedy boy.
That's all I do. No one to beat that.
I have a fight. Fear comes out. There's the zippin' onto the DK.
Copy, had the arcane rune.
Let's focus fire on the Baron. Looking for life number one.
Shack, you popped the BKB, but the tombstone's still there.
And yeah, Shack's gonna be regretting that decision.
I'm on a red sea.
The focus fire is still there on you, young man.
I'm just back away.
That solo repeal is insane.
BZM has dragon form now.
Yeah, they're baiting him, but can't bait him too much.
He is still technically not technically killable.
I guess.
Easy, I'm gonna show himself.
Okay, is there a need for that?
Get back up.
Sinister gaze onto only one.
It will be a technique that does not have buyback, actually.
And with the ages now, the numbers are on the side of Pipsqueak.
Yeah, stop getting a little bit low on mana, but Arcane Runes still active.
Two minutes on Aegis.
Gotta be careful now if your 1 win.
Yeah, I think you chill here a bit in all likelihood.
I don't think you're in any hurry.
I'm interested in why they want to defend the triangle so badly,
badly playing into Aegis, Cheese, and Refresher. I think holding high ground is okay. Like,
yes, you're going to lose some gold on the fact that they have that area, but the risk
reward of trying to control those two camps just doesn't really seem worth it.
Go to mid tower. It is still up to Pipsqueak to, you know, force something on the high ground,
and they've proven multiple times now that this bear can't just split push aside and get away with
it. They're going to kill it, so they kind of have to commit as a team to this move.
Yeah, this is a version.
Yeah.
Renzi wants to jump with a swift blink.
He's going to show himself.
He's got some nunny attacks for you.
Yeah.
Do they give this up 30 seconds on the techies?
Everybody else up though.
BZM can definitely slow this down.
Now the tier three in parallel to mid lane.
As he's going to get off the pier, they will get the tower.
They have to deal with this, they're right here right now.
Dragon Tail with Fireball on top.
Hey, we do have the ready, but coffee's gonna go in
and try to take out the doom,
but you can see the bear is just continuing
to count on these buildings.
They're gonna get left number one.
There's so much damage though to these buildings.
Tombstone on self.
Won't swiftly take that out of stopping the electric board.
Takes the bear on the other side.
Doing so much damage to the windrunner.
There's the change loss bouncing out.
They will get this melee rack eventually,
It's easy in front of keeping Storm Spirit at bay.
They do actually hold at the Roche Paner as well.
So technically, melee racks survives.
This one though.
This is the second bear.
But yeah, this is the second bear.
He does have a refresher shard if needed.
He's not gonna use it yet.
It seems, copy, getting pretty low on mana.
I had to aid this of course in 20 more seconds.
They'd love to wait this out if they can.
I was like, these are the only deal
They're gonna have an up when he's reviving as well.
Valica's gonna get in for DD, pop the BKB,
they have Duba three heroes,
practically what is happening right now.
They get the four step out to terrorize as well.
Focus fire right now, onto Ike, they kill him.
The Storm Spirit is dead without buyback,
so a brilliant move from 33,
as this is the third bear about to drop,
and that might do it.
A good attempt from PipSquid,
but it's too little, too late,
as they lose three plus the bear.
That's real bad. I think that they just caught them completely by surprise that Willow has that Blink hex.
A copy was not expecting this to be a threat at all.
An Auri with the potentially game-winning moment there, setting up the nice first kill and, you know, heads up from 33 to just A we do and get on it.
They have 70 seconds. No bear. This is a 52. This is Mega's minimum. This is probably thrown.
If they know for a fact that all these things are down the bear and these two buybacks is over like they can just go to your force
There's no storm buyback is one minute away. So if they're keeping track of time, they will know
That's the question though. Do they know exactly because you can easily get cold feet
And these are not without an ancient apparition. Okay
We're gonna show themselves and getting close to that 60 minute mark as well
Looks like they'll set up for the mega creeps in the middle of the night with camp damage.
This is a quick takedown.
100% mega creeps.
Can they get any kills in the meantime?
They're not going to bleed away from some of the pissqueak side and now the building
damage coming from the tier 4 perspective.
Mega creeps online, tombstone placed, should be able to clean that up pretty damn easily.
I'm not sure what that's going to do.
with StormSphere up at 30 seconds as the bear trying to do something with a lot of damage to Ari end of time.
There's the A that we do them again right on top of the Undyne but the bear is doing quite a bit to 33.
BGM's gonna have to help out. Finally get some right to damage on that bear.
Only one Tier 4 remaining. Looks like the Undyne will drop, does have buyback.
No ult to work with though. Both Tier 4s down, Ancient Exposed and with StormSphere coming back in 10 seconds.
Technically has buyback now as well. They will back away.
This is a good disengage.
I think they might have fiddled for more than they could cheer if they would have stayed and tried to take that fight.
I think they would have got wiped, especially with Doom on cooldown.
So, get what they came for.
I think, again, with the knowledge that we have, they probably could have ended, but better safe than sorry, I guess.
Now, fortification is still online as well for Pipesqueak.
And Storm has that double life, technically, with the buyback now, which might catch one win by surprise.
Well, I guess if they're keeping track of the time or not so much.
Some big lotuses.
Yeah, where's that block of cheese at?
14%.
It was about Shadowfiend's win rate in this tournament.
That's what they...
That thing, they don't have Shadowfiend on it, do you know?
Well, then the graph wouldn't be this, and it would be zero, obviously.
Bit of a rollercoaster this one.
Rosh, we'll see when he spawns here in just a moment.
One minute away. As the tier 5s come.
So Stygian Desolator for the bear.
Harmonizing for the storm. And speaking of the bear.
Jesus, dammit, there's a lot of dammit. Even an E on this for a shat. Just to stay alive.
And the focus fire will bring him down eventually.
It's just such a pain to deal with.
Disgusting, hero.
Disgusting, I say.
Oh, he got the audacious one?
Yeah. The attack speed on this bear is actually unreal.
100 attack speed neutral item.
Mjolnir, Swift Blink, MKB, and Butterfly.
I want to see an attack after Blinks.
It's gonna do it now.
Oh my god.
Oh no, I didn't want some TP'd.
Didn't get him on camera. I'm lucky.
Stygian for BZM.
We have to zoom blood right on 33, so the AoE game is going to be even bigger.
Double spi- triple spider legs for Pipsqueak.
Very interesting.
I feel like, isn't this the point where you consider getting Daedalus on the bear or something like that instead of uh...
of Mjolnir?
That Lich will fall it seems.
R.A. close to killing.
R.A. what did you say?
Buy a damage item on the bear like Daedalus instead of Mjolnir.
I mean I guess the wave clear is a bit of...
If you could just...
You have so much surplus of attack speed that
the equation for damage gets a lot better.
Obviously you want to hit the right balance.
But I think he has too much attack speed.
Comparatively.
Um, maybe he thinks the Mjolnir is too important for WaveClear, but I mean he also needs the gold, right?
But I would like to see a Daedalus if he can.
I'd like to see Fetch, please.
Yeah.
Underrated, in my opinion, but, you know, the way Loundry just played, not really an option, I suppose.
Alright, so everybody's got Tier 5, so we have a couple books of the dead, actually, as BZM and one win.
Well, that's a free ancient for you, apparently.
They're going to blink right in, but the focus fire, there is a fortification off, and you can see the damage on the quickrunner, he's already dead.
That's life number one.
Starting through with the AOE Doom though, it is enormous!
My God, this is so gross!
I'm so tired of this at this point.
And now, the Ancient Exposed, it should be more than enough damage to go through as they just focus it down,
trying as fast as the delay, but it's just not going to be nearly enough.
And that'll do it for the series as one win taken 2-0.
Man.
This was an entertaining game, though.
Yeah, that was a lot closer than I thought it was going to be after seeing the first 15 minutes of that one.
I thought one win would have that in the bag, but they do ultimately get there.
Man, that's tier 5 timing there.
Like, the Dazune Bloodrite plus the Deso and DK to finish the game.
That's doing it. It's illegal.
There's no way that gets to me that big.
Yeah.
One win, move on.
Oh, you didn't say my name. I'm like sort of preemptively waiting for it. But that's fine. So it's fine. They do move on. I mean look
full respect to pipsqueak
plus four they
Really made I mean certainly in that second game as well. They gave a good fist of things
But in the end what you're gonna do it's 33 on doom and with a de zoom blood right no less
Have fun. Yeah, it's a I think it's a little bit disappointing for them because they're they are doing very well
And I think pipsqueak, you know moving forward they shouldn't be there shouldn't be discouraged by this tournament
No, they're putting on like good performances
They're showing that they can go head-to-head but 1w feel like they're slowly
Calibrating they're still showing you know that it's not fully clean, but it's upwards every single day
I feel both games for pipsqueak. They got off to the the perfect start may have had you know their their early game is definitely really good and
one win I
I mean, once again, we'll always go back to the stand in situation you play with the team for such a long time
You're going to have you know, miscommunications the drafting is going to be a little bit different
But it does feel like as the tournament is progressing
They are getting better at figuring out how to integrate shad and how to play as a team
You know playing more of this like try core. I I love to see 33 back to the like
I'm just gonna solo carry the game kind of mindset because
because I do feel like even though people talk about him as this like crazy off laner that's doing these tactics to not really play the game,
when he can show his mechanical skill, like he presses his buttons the right way.
Even in this clip what you're talking about, Shad died like 25 seconds ago. He only now jumped with Doom.
Like literally this whole fight has been developing, he was just hiding in the tree line and I think this is overall like the sign of the best players anyway.
It's not like there's immediately needing to jump or needing to help someone. It's more understanding
This is my job in this next fight and I have to wait for this opening. Yeah
Yeah, not not getting like overly emotional and jumping
More impressive one. I think a little bit later when you know, they're taking the high ground pipsqueak and
He manages to get like a three-man doom somehow. It's still grouped up nicely for him. So definitely
showing utter mastery of this hero which we expect. Yeah and it's like similar to
and I think it's also just nice when you're seeing like different heroes pop
up again obviously the BZ and DK right it's been a it's been a big talking
point it's now 4-0 and just like seeing new heroes come up and yeah here is the
Ultra Doom which is like it's just a good like game call too like understanding
the storm has ages but when he respawns because you have AoE Doom obviously he
will respawn into the circle.
So you're then forcing them into answering and respawning.
They have to save him.
Yeah, and that's what Dota is usually about.
You don't always have to make the perfect play,
because sometimes, obviously, there's
the human equation that the enemy team has
to respond to what you're doing.
I mean, needless to say, their play
is very good on its own already.
I like the neutral creep selection
that he had this game, too.
I think that was really smart going for the purple one
against Longer.
He, you know, is going to be running the bear around,
and then trying to BKB TP it out.
I think this makes a lot of sense.
Like a lot of the other times on Doom,
you'll see the Dragon creep when they go for the item short.
Almost always because the fire lets you push creep waves.
The cleave lets you farm really quickly.
But in this game, he, number one,
he was gigafarmed already,
but then understanding that like playing into a loan druid,
it's just better to have this BKB piercing TP, disable.
So, what do we feel went wrong for Pipsqueak?
Is there anything you would point to in terms of, you know, team composition, draft, anything like that?
Not all that much. I think the draft is fine, is playable.
Obviously Storm has that little win rate. That's kind of where I'm at.
Yeah, I do think it's maybe not as much about their own draft because I think it's fine, but the DK is very good against this.
I think also Doom is very good against the overall caudal combos. There is a lot of counterplay to it.
And I think when you're not the most experienced teams,
Lone Druid is actually, like the hero seems easy to execute from the outside looking in,
but it becomes very complex understanding when should he rat and when should you fight together,
when should you be 4 plus 1, when does he need to join you.
So I think that can be a little difficult to like calibrate as the team within the game.
I mean bring 33 in, we've got our Hall of Famer guest, I believe he's lurking around in the dark, here he is.
Awesome dude.
Thanks for joining us brother, appreciate it.
Welcome to the couch. I'm going to apologize in advance for the size of it. It's that's what she said. That's what she said
Yeah, you've been doing that your whole life
Welcome. Um, so as you saw there, we we even gave you the MVP the standout player. Do you think you earned that in that game?
Uh, probably not but oh, wow, okay
Thank you trying to set you up for uh to big yourself up. Um, so look, uh, a serious question
I'm sure you've been asked this before
Obviously, you're here with a stand-in and I just wanted to ask a little bit about how you and the team reset expectations when you're using a stand-in when you come to these tournaments.
Well, I guess we've had a lot of practice at not having too high expectations recently,
so it's not really a problem.
But yeah, we just try our best and try to, you know, each player focus on themselves
and just try to improve and it doesn't really matter.
Standing or not.
Yeah, so I mean, what you really commit to that, like you say to Shad, like, just do
what you want.
gonna try and like you know kind of make you as comfortable as possible yeah
pretty much I guess I mean we've played with chat before actually in the the
first pgl not the first but it's been a while yeah so yeah we know what it's
like to play with him he's very chill so yeah we're just playing just another
game and for you how do you feel about I know this patch has been long everyone
once the update, we've had a little letter tweak.
How do you feel as patches for you?
Because I don't mind saying this to your face.
I think you've been on some of your more signature heroes.
You've been great.
I expect that from 33, right?
You are a legend.
But on some of the other heroes, it hasn't been like pasts,
patches gone by, where you're a bit more, you know,
it feels like you can play anything.
It feels now you've got to tighten it a little hero pool,
and then the rest of it might be a bit not so strong.
Honestly, I don't feel like that.
I think if I'm underperforming or playing poorly,
maybe it's not because of the heroes,
and it's just because sometimes it happens.
I don't think I have a problem right now.
I can play almost anything I want to,
and it's a bit boring that there's no new patches,
but overall, I feel like you can play almost any hero.
So, in that sense, the patch is pretty good.
You've got a favorite right now?
Favorite hero?
Don't seem to be, just anything but.
I was gonna say, it's a number.
I think I'm just.
Maybe Largo, or actually I've gone back to playing Earth Spirit after...
I have like, almost a thousand Earth Spirit games, but from 10 years ago,
and I haven't touched a hero in like 10 years,
so I've gotten back to playing it before TI, and it's been pretty fun.
You think it's a good offline?
Like, could you actually play it on offline, or are you playing it mid in your pubs?
No, I've played, like, maybe like 40 or 50 games of it on offline.
I think we played it even on TI.
It's pretty good, I think.
Interesting.
I'm just a visage.
I want to see you bring your visage back.
That was, yeah, no.
That was legit, dude.
You buy it.
BGM is always telling me I should play visage, and only visage, I don't know, any other hero.
But I don't think he means it, because the hero is dogshit, and if I play it, we will lose.
So, yeah, maybe next patch.
Thank you again, Spiggins, just a clown.
But I mean, my question, you're a very influential player,
I think, over Dota's history.
But I also want to know, what do you
feel like is your biggest influence on your teammates?
Like, maybe especially the newer ones,
with you now laning with Ari.
I don't really know, honestly.
It's hard for me to say.
I think I like to focus on the little things,
like maybe one little thing here, one little thing there,
one little thing there, and these things kind of add up.
So I guess something like that,
but it's hard to say just one big thing.
Yeah, I guess it's also different from obviously every,
every player is very different when you play with them.
Do you feel like there was something specific
with your work now with Ari overall?
I think he's incredibly gifted and a very skilled player,
but is there something that you feel like
he maybe had from older teams,
like habits that you didn't really agree with,
that you helped him with to get him more on your page?
Not really, honestly, it's been pretty smooth working with him, so.
Okay, no, that's pretty chill.
I got a lot of questions about the little things, but the producer said in my year only three questions, so I'll try to pick.
The first one was about Doom. I've been playing a lot of Doom on this patch. I think it's a really strong off-liner.
And I'm wondering, you went for the purple creep this time?
No.
We had some theories as to what your reasoning was. Could you explain that a little bit, why you went for that instead of the dragon?
Well, I couldn't find the dragon.
No, but usually you really want the dragon, but at some point I stopped looking for it
because I felt like the purple creep was getting the job done.
It obviously adds a lot of solo kill potential.
Like I think there was one time I jumped here and died and I think with any other creep
he wouldn't die like so quickly.
So it's a lot of damage and it's okay for farming.
Like the nuke, the AOE nuke, it's okay.
Obviously it's not a dragon, but it gets the job done.
I think you had something to do with like you can BKB TP cancel the bear. Yeah. Yeah
Later on I thought I probably would have swapped it earlier if it wasn't for that
But yeah, I can't say that one. They could be one time
I think I was supposed to but I fucked it up because the hotkeys and the yeah, it's a way far away
It's like on the yeah, it's like you have to like disable it and then if to remember to use it
Yeah, I thought but yeah, it was good for that. Okay. My final specific question is about starting items
I find the starting items right now to be really interesting. There's like Night Stalker for gauntlets. There's like gauntlet gauntlet branch ringer protection
Tango, what's your favorite starting build if you can get away with it right now? What's your favorite starting build to go for?
um
I mean, I guess the best like if you can get away with it
It's still good to go for the one the one like a two fairies like two fairies or fairy in a branch
But it's a little bit greedy because if you walk to lane with a wand and the enemy has four gauntlets
You might just get like beaten up in CS
so I guess a nice middle ground is gauntlets and a ring and then
Like you're so long is much cheaper. So yeah, it's a pretty nice middle ground
But if you want to just be as strong as possible, then yeah, you need three gauntlets and branches or four gauntlets and I feel
You need tangos these days to against a lot of lanes
Tangos come they come on the career. No, it's okay. They're enough
Listen, I think we've done it. I think we've hit all of the bases there.
Excellent questions. Andrew, we love those.
And look, I mean, to say it's good to see you in the playoffs.
We were worried for a moment. I'm not going to lie.
A couple of good early starts from Pip Squeak.
We didn't know if you were going to be able to come back,
but of course, that's what one win do, and that's what 33 does best.
So looking forward to seeing you later in the tournament.
I'll let you sneak out now.
Thank you.
No, I actually took him with all the best.
There we go.
Right, so you heard it here.
The greedy start with the wand and the two fairy fires.
Now griefing everyone's pubs, Andrew.
Yeah, I respect it.
Now it gives us all an A.
This is why I ask.
This is what he does every time he updates his off-gain
starting items.
Because it's so interesting.
If I'm sitting next to the guy that's making the builds,
I'm going to ask.
I need to know.
Because I'm going to go do this with my pubs.
I also love this response.
Well, you're like, so obviously you picked up.
You think it's so smart.
Bro, that's like the foot of your shit. So great stuff any final thoughts before we're gonna break. We're gonna get out
No, no, no thoughts on me. No, I should don't think right me neither. Who are you?
Who are you? Yeah, who am I right? Well?
I'm someone that gets the rest of the day off
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Just five, okay.
Five, yeah.
What is more satisfying for you then?
Still ages.
Still ages, oh that's true actually.
This guy's got a clockwork player so he loves doing that.
Still, I think it's more satisfying than the stacks.
I think for me, when you kill the enemy carry, when they TP down,
they just die one time, they TP down again, you kill them again,
that is a very satisfying thing for me.
It's okay, about the same.
Yeah, I think so.
We should.
What do you think is equally important to damage?
It's just easy to play if you have damage.
But if you don't have damage, I think the opponent can do anything.
What if you have no stuns? Would you rather have full damage or full stuns?
I would rather have damage than stuns because mostly I'm playing super.
I don't have damage.
I would say stuns is equally important.
I mean, if you have full damage and no stars, the game is a little bit tricky.
Yeah.
But yeah, if you have full stun and no damage, then you can stun that guy however you long,
but you won't kill him.
Yeah.
I think I do think damage is pretty important.
But...
But...
I put nine because I'm not a patch player and I'm a freaking patch magnet, a hope magnet,
you know, I'll just run into hope.
You need to be good at this here, I think.
You need to be more expert at this, to pick patch.
Would you rather have it banned, like primer ban, because you are a patch player yourself,
sometimes.
It's better to not have much in my team.
True.
I would agree to that too.
It's better to have much on opponent.
Okay, fair.
3, why are we so different?
Have we ever played with each other?
I think in the team, we need to be more...
We need to be...
I'll say...
Telling the truth about the situation.
Sometimes, Flame is good for the...
for the improvement to ourselves.
I agree.
Yeah, I think...
I think confrontation is quite important.
Yeah.
Sometimes, you need to be able to feel like...
interesting the truth.
Yeah.
Even though sometimes it's a bit harsh.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I feel like so far we haven't had that, though, because it's just like one month together now.
Yeah, I think so.
And then back in previous teams, we never really had that also.
Maybe that's why we need more.
Okay, so far we haven't had that, okay?
Okay, yes.
But you never know, it might come.
Who do you think is gonna survive till the end?
In our team, yeah.
Maybe Narman.
I think so too.
Yeah, I think Narman.
He's so huge.
He's like strong, you know.
Okay, I'm just imagining we are in some zombie apocalypse.
Yeah.
Okay, I feel like I'm probably gonna get eaten.
And I don't know if I want to survive till the end anyway.
Because you know, you need to do some nasty stuff to survive sometimes.
I'm just gonna let them eat me.
Okay, I'll shoot you before you become a zombie, okay?
That'll be a very easy one.
Welcome back to the final day of the group stage here for PJ Valachie season nine.
There's two more series coming your way because we already have six teams
Sitting in the playoffs. We need two more. We also therefore need to send two more teams home
Let's dive straight into it with our upcoming series
We got Convent of Stellarum and Nemesis going head-to-head here the best of three to talk all about it
I'm joined by TGov and Lacoste. Lacoste, how are you doing doing great?
I think this series is gonna be like very very equal and it comes down to skill
I think when it comes down to picks, we're going to need to see what's going to happen because both of these teams have been experimenting karaoke during EWC, during TI, he like really nailed the draft, especially at the first portion of the tournament.
So I want to see what he's going to be cooking for this one. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's I'm just upset with this series, honestly. Oh, well, both of the teams in the playoffs. I haven't said that actually.
I'm not sure if I've ever said
that actually so far. And then
last night about this series
again, like I really feel like
both these teams deserve to be
in the playoff the way that
they've kind of held themselves
kind of shape themselves to the
tournament. And I wish we got to
see a little bit more from them.
It is unfortunate that one will
have to go. But yeah, maybe the
best team that I want both of
them to win win. Yep. And one
of the players on the side of
come head to Salam that we are
the cost. Yes, this guy has been super stable and one hero that he had a lot of success so far at
Velakia is one ranger. They also give him quite a lot like they use this as a potential flex because
Omar does also play it and if you check the numbers on the screen every single time he plays the heroes
he has insane amount of kills like 13, 14, 15 in some of these games and I think this hero is also
going to get a good amount of priority in this round. Yeah, focusing our attention away from
them to their opponents, to their nemesis. That's plural, nemesis. And it is sigh.
Because nemesis is. I mean, English is my first language I can't help you. And it's
going to be Latin as well. It could be. It sounds like Latin. It does sound like Latin.
Either way, the team right here is green. With in particular a little bit extra focused on Moe
placement. But again, for land results, he never really gets further than top eight rarely
even gets top eight. So I think he's on the cusp of kind of reminding the world that like
he could be, you know, a mid laner to think about. But of course, he has to win this series
and kind of pretty much fix some of the results that he's had.
Yeah, let's see how he does in this one and how he showcases himself and his team as we
are in the draft we got on the radiant side, CVS and dire side goes way of nemesis with
them also having first pick and they went for the Lena.
Instant answer coming out with the centaur
as we are already into the second band phase.
Yeah, Conventus Tilarum.
I think they were having some of the issues
and the games that they were losing
with a bit of an off-lane problem
where they weren't able to achieve like DM.
I think he's having a pretty mediocre tournament
at the moment.
So I think they were trying to simplify in the series
that they played against their cold brothers
where they instantly pick his hero straight away, two times in a row, and the DM Center
probably one of his best, if not like the best hero that he really shines on when it
comes down to itemization. A lot of times he doesn't go greedy, he goes for Lotus Orb
if it's needed, Pipe as well, he might pick it up and also thrives on picking up the Agatom
Center and saving his course.
I mean, he looks so happy.
Yeah, it's his fourth mental game in a row now, I was like, yay! Can't wait to do everything
the cost just mentioned, woo, but not yet.
I mean, on paper, it does what you want against the leaner.
It's kind of the gap closed, the security,
everything that the cost has already stated.
It sets up your draft for other people to shine,
but you do need to kind of make sure
that you pick the correct fall position to enable Centaur,
because if you're first facing this hero,
and then you pick like a melee bro fall,
and now you're just pulling waves, it's just awkward.
Like you want to actually pick Centaur
to play into the lane, to try and fight,
to buy the Helmendom, to take the tower.
Yeah, there's a lot of good position 4s left in the pool.
They can go for Dark Willow, they can pick up Hoodwink.
Even, I would say, Techies.
I think Omar has looked amazing so far on the Techies.
And we are seeing these straight-up position 4s slash 5s
that are getting quite a lot of priority.
Marana, of course, one of the best ones,
if not the best position 5 in terms of the scaling
what Hero brings to the table.
Like, this is a Hero that deals, I would say,
a lot of hidden impact when it comes down to moonlight shadow, and also once you get to the agadem scepter, this sort of deals an insane amount of damage.
At least for Nemesis and the response to these heroes, we covered Nemesis against Yandex, where they lost in 26 minutes and 28 minutes,
and we were kind of shocked by Nemesis' performance, but they weren't really picking stuns, it was very, kind of like, we're going to win the lanes, we're going to outplay our opponents that you're against Yandex, guys.
Like, you're going to outplay them the entire time, and since then, they have, I think they've just found like a whole new identity in their draft,
because I'm scrolling through it, every single draft has like four plus stuns, multiple ways to kill heroes,
pick off potential, you got wave shove and like you're seeing it here as well, like the Bane, the Willow Leader,
you pick any two of those heroes together, you can kill someone through a smoke gank, yes, through some type of map play.
And they will need a beefy boy, they will need the blink initiator because these three ranged heroes, they need someone to go in,
so a hero like an axe could potentially work out for them, and these heroes are very good against Centaur and Marana,
what they want to do. These heroes are very maneuverable with the stampede. One grip,
one nightmare could cancel all of that. Maneuvering through the bramble maze also can be very difficult.
No, I don't mind it. I think for Coventus the Laramnir, they see these heroes and they're kind
of fine because you have Moonlight Shatter, you have the Centaur saves. If Centaur's not getting
the one jump, the Lotus, the key items, they're already ready for this style of play from Nemesis.
I'd be down for Ringmaster. I know that this hero is not the most popular one
I think it's a very good counter. It has been used as a great counter to Bane in a lot of these situations
They have a lot of single target abilities. So whoever gets initiated on otherwise
Hoodling seems fine like just the pairing that they have with the centaur ringmaster. However is I take your ringmaster
Yeah, and I upgrade it to the middle lane. Oh, yeah, he does the same thing, but he also deals damage
And you will lane against, well most likely, Alina of course, there is some flex potential,
there is still that good lane from?
Yeah, I mean back in the day you picked Alina and Snacker against the OD to try and beat
it, but I feel like as time progressed, OD just rushing to meet Teohama, it's not terrible
for the hero.
Yeah, he plays his own game up until he gets that, but I think he will also want the two
supports to play around him from early on to make sure that they can grab the kill on
I think they did pretty much the same thing in one of the matchups when
Day one or day two when they were playing that OD let me just double-check that
Yeah, that was actually the first game when they were playing against playtime where they picked OD
Against Lena as well
They had Spirit Breaker and Winter Vibrant who were kind of camping Lena in the mid lane
And I'm expecting to see the same thing especially with the combo that they have with this Astralint arrow
Yeah, how many times do you think the arrow will hit and how many times do you miss?
Oh, like what's the percentage throughout the whole game or the first like you can just be first ten minute arrow into
Spanish hit rate. It's gonna be two out of three.
Okay, yeah, no, I respect that you're an optimistic man
Okay, you've got quite a little bit of leeway with the arrow because
Anywhere that the arrow is on the thing and you've got the thing that's ticking down. You know exactly
when you make it worse for the pros that except they miss it you just said it's
really easy well okay to be fair I'm not a pro it's not easy for me but I would
imagine a pro they know how to do this they're called the pro for a reason I
agree okay yeah that we're on the same page we got a techies coming out as
well I mean it's really really nice I think from
commenters like that again every pick they have they've respected the pick-off
play of Nemesis and they've got okay now we have the save from the mid lane we have the
the mines for the vision from the techies and the disarm that's what I meant to say from the
techies to stop the kind of pick off damage as well so everything they have is like we will set up
our area of the map you try run into us we'll outplay you at some point. That's an interesting one I
do like this approach I didn't mention axe before but after seeing OD that's kind of a no go and
and this hero has 100% win rate, it is very specific, nobody's picking Brewmaster like straight away
that you can't just really get away with picking this hero early on, but on 18 in the last pick 23-24,
this hero really gets the shine and I'm looking at the damage that they have, this is not really an explosive damage
that can kill Brewmaster, maybe with OD ulti, but they need to layer a lot of these spells, one nightmare could also
just be like, nope, you're not doing that, then he has status assistance.
So very difficult hero to kill.
And in a lot of these games where Brewmaster doesn't get killed off,
if you don't have the tools to kill him off straight away,
Brewmaster gets to shine and he gets to split off, suddenly the fight is over.
Yeah, it just really nicely cuts through the noise of what we were mentioning
for Conventus, like being able to just find the Murana, find the OD,
find these heroes that just want to have better positioning.
It will just amplify your first three heroes to get correct spells off.
That is what Brewmaster wants to do.
He wants to collapse on the mid tower. He wants to press the map and if you can't do that
I guess a central who needs to farm Hem of Dawn plus one and OD that wants to farm hammer plus one like you have a
Very nice window of the game to try and punish them and I yeah brewmaster
He can do it just hit six TP to any lane go fight and brewmaster does also
Counter some of these picks early on like you're not probably not gonna be picking Necro because you have ability to
Make sure that he has a dispel whenever he has ulti on so want to see what the
ghost is going to be playing. There is Windranger still available for him and there's a hero
that he didn't play which I think could be very good that's tiny because you need to
have like right now they have no damage whatsoever to kill the broolings.
I think Nemesis will take that though.
Yeah potentially.
Because like for the character Nemesis they don't need to over complicate it. They just
need a hero to buy a couple cheap items and run into the fight. Of course physical damage
because you have big magic of leader. Of course they do ban out themselves.
Why do they ban other Doom on the side of Nemesis?
It could be carry Doom that they play.
I think, because what I said, they have nothing against the Brewmaster
and I think they are very afraid of this Brewmaster getting the split off
because it's just going to be too chaotic of a fight for them.
This is where the coach hasn't banned.
He's asked the player and gone, what do you want to ban?
And 90% of the core players will always say doom in this position.
So I don't want my hero to be removed, but I realistically against the brewmaster
He is the the key to nemesis success and doom is going to be like the number one counter to it
So it does make sense to to protect say blade
And they also have this now covered like we haven't seen much of PL
But brewmaster also deals relatively well with the PL with his this spell killing off the illusion
So I think Demesis they came in well prepared in this draft
Yeah, it's quite nice and now you have the the Terablade into center or terminator to farm very nicely into that matchup
He doesn't really care
He's gonna be able to shove the lanes in to ensure that your supports can smoke correctly
You know unless they find a carry that can really threaten the brew
I think the supports are gonna be freed up to go to that mid lane to try and help against the OD Murano combo
That will be coming into play from like minute four to eight. So I think yeah, then since they've constructed a very well balanced lineup and
Again, for Coventus, it's just survive the early rotations, understand the map state,
and it kind of feels like two lineups that just want to scale into each other and fight.
Like, this is not a draft where it's like, this team has to win by this minute.
It's just two evenly scaling matchups.
I don't really know what I want to see from Ghost and...
Well, back's against the wall.
You go for the win range, you're sure.
Okay.
But, I mean, on paper, you buy, you know, Maelstrom, BKB, you want a BKB, you just click, you know,
Jackie boys and press O you are going to kill terribly, but it just felt more like a casual
comfort pick than like the perfect pick for the draft.
Yeah, they are.
There isn't really that much teamfight on CVS other than OD Alti, Stampede, but these
are not like big teamfighting Altis in terms of control.
It's more about we're going to try to disengage.
On the other side, there also isn't really that much.
The big one is of course going to be the brewmaster Alti.
So I don't know, I'm kind of really liking this Brewmaster pick up on 18 that they decided
to run up their draft with and TB as well, something that OD is very bad against and
all this have been is dealing with the illusions and also dealing with any kind of summons.
So you're playing against Brewmaster, you're playing against TB as well.
So I feel like Nemesis, they have an overall better draft.
No, I know there's some
Times there's interactions where you can't split out of things
Can you split out of the underlord astral imprisonment?
Outworld developer. Do you want to be sure if you if you get astral imprisoned?
You cannot and there's an arrow coming. No, can you still split? No, there's no way you will be air
unless unless the air
It's one of those, one out of three that we mentioned, that's kind of a mess.
This is tricky, so there is a way that they can deal with this brewmaster, even though it's obviously a very good pick for them.
For sure, again, like, Conventus, their draft is about discipline and just respecting their hero's timings,
and if they don't respect it, Nemesis can punish them, so I think if Conventus is to win this game,
it would just be a very chill, hit creep, don't do too much, very kind of like calm game from them.
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That's usually not so rude. So
I just assume that she was
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going to have to hear the part
that she said that we weren't
Very insulting. She says your name second. She says we're not going to talk about it.
We are trained professionals here to bring you guys entertainment about this Dota game.
So of course, the way she did it, Cinderan, the reason I didn't know is because she emphasized my name,
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It's actually acceptable.
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Alright, into game one we go.
Just like the series you guys just watched, if you were here from the beginning of today,
every game today is an elimination match.
These are, we're finding the final teams to make their way through both of these two and two.
Let's talk briefly about who they face to get here, or let's say who they've lost to.
So, Conventsus and Lauren have lost to Xtreme, who went 3-0, and they lost to Onewin, who
just qualified today.
Yeah, wait a second.
He's probably...
Okay.
Both of those series, they lost 1-2, so they haven't been clean-sweeped a single time.
And most of their series go 3 games in general with these players.
Nemesis have lost to Yandex who went 3-0, and to Gamer Legion who went 3-1.
They got 2-0ed by Yandex, they got stomped that series, and then the Gamer Legion one
was pretty close.
I think fair to say probably in terms of opposition these teams have faced to be in the score position and overall level
I think just probably pretty close on paper
I would think
And if that's the case then obviously if neither team has a clear skill advantage or overall tournament edge
Then draft is a lot of the times the deciding factor
And I kind of like what we've got going for the dire here just like the cost said I think the
the overall ideas and how good of a brewmaster game it is and the way their
heroes complement each other looks quite good. Alright, well it makes it a good brew
game. I think having this spell against, I mean they didn't even pick it into this
but as it turns out they will have this spell against Windrun which is really
nice if he's clutch on that. OD does not fare very well against multiple
targets. OD is very good against one target at a time, but you're going to be
dealing with brewmaster's plate, there's going to be terrible late contra
images. Objugation is dispelable. Yeah, true. They can dispel that. That's actually really
nice as well. And also, you know, as usual, if you have this big boy in the fight that's
going to do all this heavy single target damage, just cyclone him, you know, like throw OD
out of the fight. If he has to BKB just because Brew uses Split, that's already really nice
for you. So yeah, I just think there's a lot of nice upsides in this game to that Brewmaster.
And he's one of Saberlight's best heroes, so...
Yep, love to see it. Love me some brew, no doubt about it.
There's no bait bullying Lornoff at the moment, in terms of the harassment battle.
102 build here on the Lena, so just keeping his Dragon Slave stacks running and non-stop right-clicking Lornoff.
If it weren't for objugation, he would actually already either be dead or have had to go back to base or send out a healing salve,
It does help block a lot of the damage.
It does get a water room for now.
Yep.
See how much that will sustain him.
And in terms of the setup with Astral, of course, we have Arrow, we have Blast Off.
A lot of good stuns.
They've got very good carries for OD.
Yeah.
I mean, I was talking a lot of positives about the DireLine.
Obviously, the Radiant has good opportunities of its own.
Astral is definitely the ability worth highlighting, but you also have, you know, this thing I like to see when in these games is like having teams within the team.
It's like, Techies and Centaur can kill, Centaur and Windranger can kill, OD and any of the supports can kill, the supports can even kill together.
So, the reason I always like lineups like that is that it makes decision making in the game easier, because regardless of where your players are on the map, you'll have someone to team up with and get something done.
Obviously, looking at the big picture with team fights is equally important, but especially
when the teams aren't the best in the world, then simplification and more options is always
going to go a long way, because you're, you know, the higher the skill is, the cleaner
it is what heroes are playing with who, when, and how you're moving around the map.
I mean, plus the fact that you're playing with people that, I mean, these are all relatively
new teams.
Right.
That's what I mean.
I'm not saying the players are bad.
I'm saying, you know, these are new teams.
It's also good for players that are bad.
Sure, it happens to align, you know.
Yeah, maybe it's both. Maybe all of these players are bad and the teams are new.
We won't know until TI, right?
That's when everybody gets judged. Until then, everyone's a wild card.
That's right.
We're up 18-4 right now in the middle lane, 19-5 on Moe Bay, so very, very even.
Nice for taking the hard one.
Last off, as Moe Bay now can get run down, Astral, TP on the way.
Okay, the sticky bomb fairy fire, they cancel the TP, they know it's a loss cause.
Lornoff gets first blood.
I'm surprised Moebe stuck around there. I think he saw the techies arriving.
I think at that point you just have to sell that rune and go buy it.
But got a little bit greedy, thought maybe he could get away with it.
Not the case.
That is a very nice start to this game for Lornoff getting the first blood
and therefore pulling ahead by 500 gold already against the Lena.
great start to be sure in a match of that. As you pointed out, it's one of the harder
ones for OD.
Did I point that out?
Well, you said he was getting harassed a lot. That's generally what makes the match
up hard for OD, is if you are the one getting boxed out.
Yeah, but your CS was very even.
Yeah, I mean obviously objugation does change things, but generally speaking, OD doesn't
like playing in series like Lina or Sniper that just non-stop click you from range.
But now that he has a bit of a buffer, he's probably going to be fine.
Man, Winroner has been so picked this tournament.
Yep.
Oh, the carry's got nerfed.
Is it the carry of the tournament right now?
It's one of them.
Lone Druid, Winroner, it's gotta be the top two, surely.
There's a nightmare coming out from Norman immediately taking off.
This Panther will have to get killed for it.
Oh, no.
Okay.
At least Ghost survives.
That might have been a mistake.
I think Ghost could have lived.
Yeah, fairy fire, raindrop, wand, ghost did live.
Yeah, but okay.
Could have lived without Maronadine.
Thank you so much.
I'll specify it for you.
BD?
Yeah.
Heavy.
I mean, honestly, based on the last couple of days, I think it might be chronic for
you.
You have other chronic issues, so that's okay.
We'll see it all evens out.
We all have certain skill points in life.
What did you put your points into basketball?
NBA knowledge.
Counter-strike?
Maybe at some point in my life.
You didn't put all of them in?
No.
Just people were bad back then, so that's how I was pro.
I didn't put any points in the Dota.
I don't know how I survived in this career.
This must not be much competition.
You put a lot of points into belching, I think.
Oh, that's true.
And that's really cost me.
That's where all my throat issues derive from.
derived from. Yeah, but it does cause you a lot of joy too. It has been a net positive
in your life, I'm sure. That's true. It brings other people joy too. Oh, that's a mixed bag,
I guess. Now, if you're brainwashed by society, you know, then maybe not. But if you're a free
spirit and you enjoy life, and of course you're gonna love Belcham, who doesn't?
Freaks! God, that's actually such a funny way to put it. Ghosts getting harassed, first
The aircraft under the tier one.
Oh, they killed him.
Nice pick up.
Norman gets credit for that one.
Jack makes a rotation with the metas.
They want to try to kill off this tier one tower.
Yeah, good thing Maron already arrowed the Siege creeper.
This would look real bad, but now you can probably protect it with a rotation from
Funny Bomb Man coming from the north.
Yes, we'd like to call him.
Curtis here slacks.
And the TP from Windranger.
Oh, they're just relentless though.
They are underclap on the Omar shackle shot holds the brew in place not a lot of mana for safer line is another first panel find ghost
No follow-up though. So in the end it looks like about half HP taken off the tower
As Jackie will head back up to top to the gate. Yeah, does that feel worth it to you?
I'm not sure like send her just free farm to waves got level six
I think they had already made the rotation or they're already on the way when the siege was killed
Yeah, the DM is a full level ahead of Jackie now
Of the not to be mistaken for Jackie Mao, of course. Yeah, of course not
Don't see a rave kink
Thank God
You know, I think rave kink died with and these retirement
Why linked? Oh
It's an interesting theory
You can't prove it otherwise. I can't really prove anything in life
I live in the BD. Moe Bay gets last off, Jokun, with the Grand Bolt, Sandy's Eclipse coming out though.
It's Omar. Taser actually does activate when they kill off Moe Bay, Saverlight. Looks like they'll get Omar.
It's a single right click we'll do, but it'll be a thunder clap instead.
Oh, survival, never mind.
That's the blood grenade.
Oh yeah, right, it was the blood grenade.
Maybe an earlier Stampeet there and Omar could have lived too, I think.
Saber like just walked in and thunderclaped in might have been able to run it off, but...
By the way, still successful for the side of Conventus.
Up 1k.
And all three of their cores, nice and enabled, cannot say the same for Moby in this game.
And I think this is one of the, for me, the problem heroes of Dota when you rate it highly in your draft and you don't give it good conditions.
give it good conditions I just don't think Lena is a good hero if she has a
start like this. There's so many other mids I would rather suffer on than Lena.
Her recovery is quite rough, is heavily item dependent, and they just didn't
help her very much. It could be a pretty giant kill. Can they kill him though?
Samphie's not quite up yet. Yeah, they can. Nightmare? Okay, well they can
He's definitely killing if he can't move.
That was really sick.
Arrow coming in from the other side, so they want to try to do something about this.
The blast on his head, they will lose DM, but the game is going to be the trade.
Last moment, Jackie does get the Sunder.
Now Omar Taser activates, big disarm.
He'll get right clicked down eventually.
Alright, that's important for Moe Bates to get one of those last hits.
He really needs the gold on the Lena.
Already his tower is under siege.
Luckily for him, 250 gold to go for Lornoff before the Meteor Hammer. If he had that, this tower would already be down to a third.
He'll get some chance to defend it for a bit.
But yeah, who was the other player we saw? I think it was Analog on day one that we cast on Lina that got ganked twice, I think, and just never recovered.
Yeah, it was such an awful Lina game.
I think Lina's matchups in this game are also a little bit questionable.
If you're playing from behind against heroes like Centaur and Techies, they're just going to jump at all you ever find.
Gotta be careful, Panto.
Panto gets off the lead putt.
That's another one.
Heeeey!
He's burning pretty low, and that stamp, he will actually save him, it looks like.
That feels real good to get away from that one.
Yeah, this tower's still gonna die though.
One way or another, Saberlight will find it, has not had to pop the Primal Split as of yet.
Does that manifold actually right now?
Would you agree that Ghost has been the consistently best Windranger of this tournament?
Uh...
Uh, I don't think he's had like, not every game he's played on has been insane, but I just think his base, his floor is the highest.
Probably.
No, it doesn't have the best start in this individual game after the laning stage, but he's been able to string together some good performances I want to say in every game.
I can't think of another hero. He's played other than Lone Druid.
Yeah, and his pool has been pretty small this tournament.
Matchups for Windrain to this game.
Okay, I guess she's very good against Lena when she gets the items just runs her down in the fight
Terriblake is a double-edged sword. You you don't really do that much damage to him
But he also can't hit you unless he gets MKB at which point he gets very dangerous
Can't say the brewmaster matchup is great though. I think that's the roughest one of the cores
I hear Panto again.
Team script ready for Narmin.
Not going to use it on Panto in all likelihood.
Looks like the fed will be going to finish the job.
His saver light.
Looking for more.
Obturgation will do a lot of damage there from Nova.
You're already using Laguna Blade, Omar.
Blast off.
You can see the primal split.
Not going to be used to kill off Lorna.
Instead the supports might be the focus at this point.
At this point, I'd have to back away.
At the very least, I'll have to sacrifice
in the bane elemental and understand
he'd be used on the saver light.
No longer in that primal split form,
he'd just get locked down and destroyed.
That ended up getting really awkward for the dire.
They were so convinced they could go for this,
but didn't really manage to get off any fiend script.
Just the location of the fight was very awkward.
Norman was trying to walk around the pillar
and try to find a grip.
then he gets Meteor hammered and then Centaur TP's in so he can't grip again.
So a lot of stuns. It's hard to get those grips early on.
This tower is a goner Lornoff.
We'll grab the reward with Bouncy, if you will.
And this brings us back to 1k in the favor of Conventus.
Yeah, and I feel like every game that we give cast of Nemesis,
It's Jackie on top of the network and then nobody else nearby on his team. Yeah
That's not necessarily a problem if you do it by design, but I don't think this one was bite
No, the if you pick Lena to be six on that worth pick another hero like it's
I'll go out on a limb and say it's never worth it. Like if this hero has this kind of start
It's just not your best off. Here's your first pick
I'm gonna take a Laguna blade to the face, not quite enough to the kill, LSA does connect
and Moby will find it in the end.
This version of Lina, okay which version of Lina do you like better?
The one that has this insane slow burn innate, or the one that had spells doing way more
damage, just immediately.
Like what do you think is better?
I don't like either of them.
Okay, that doesn't really answer the question, but thank you.
Even.
Why? You have a strong opinion on the map?
I just thought it was an interesting change, right? Because Slowburn used to be one of the two facets, and people were picking it on support.
I'm joking, dad.
And the hero has been redesigned, so...
I missed the old fiery soul, so...
Which one was that?
Where you activate an ability and you get a tax, but you don't have to hit anything with it.
Oh, where it doesn't need to connect, yeah.
Um...
So I think...
The thing that's weird about this Lina is that the old one, people were complaining about the insta-gib, right, of her just popping all her spells and doing a 2,500 damage late game.
But now her ult isn't an ult, it's just an ability you're using.
Um, in a way.
It's more that until people... now Lina works in a way that until you get the spells, or some sort of block, her damage is just crazy early on between...
So, Slowburn does 64% additional damage of every ability you cast over 4 seconds, which
obviously if you can heal it through it or if you can block it or whatever, it's way
less damage than before.
But it also gives the Neuralina some timings in the game where her damage just seems like
unreal.
I don't know which one I prefer, I just thought it was an interesting redesign and separated
her a lot from, let's say, other Bersky heroes, right?
There isn't really any other hero in Dota like this right now.
But I think it is hard to balance this, uh, bit of a weird.
DM about to finish Lotus Orb, gonna be extremely good against Bramble, against Fiend's Grip,
Sunder.
Yeah, Sunder for sure.
DM, very, very far.
Top, top net worth on his team.
Guess the storm pan of Cyclones itself too, right?
Cyclones?
Yeah, you would think so.
It's probably the least important of the things, which is why we have the course highlighted.
Well, you say we, yep.
Part of the package.
So that means we share BD.
Probably.
Only 100 away from said Lotus.
500 for Lorna's dagger.
Oh, Samurai's almost on accident.
My goodness.
I'm starting at a good start on the brew overall.
Just 300 away from that.
Lornav on the OD.
Not to finish off a blink dagger.
We have anything on the dire except the axe.
AXE. Lena is going AXE first again. This is the same build Mobe did the other day.
Seeing a lot of Lena's favor the Kayasha, but Mobe seems to really stick to the AXE now.
The magic resistance of the Flame Cloak here is quite good against Techies in particular.
Somewhat against Centaur, also good against the Marana.
Not the biggest of deals for OD in terms of the Arcane Orb damage, but of course everything else is magical.
So I think in terms of defensive purposes is actually very good this game better than in other games that he's bought it
But as established he's already not looking all that great on the gold
But he's getting some space now
Oh, I stop with the mines Omar this hero is so good against willow
You get your shadow realm you just died to three minds. Hey, there's like no dodging this
There's the Mantis style for Jackie so that could have some good items lining with each
other.
I mean, Lena's a little bit behind on the Power Spike, about 1400 from the Axe.
Moonlight Shadow from CVS, Lornoff leading the charge with his blink.
They would love to kill off one of these heroes.
Nice finds.
Oh, Lena's going to turn right into him.
Astral, air, oh my god, a little overkill.
Well, I guess they wanted to get out quickly, it's the right lead.
The response is coming in right away, so just send it and back out.
Got the meta out, got two defensive TPs.
Now, need to do something with this Nemesis.
They're going to try to hit the mid tower.
There are 4v5 on the map overall though, still feeling confident Jackie that he can do this
GM almost has blink already didn't just finish the lows like one minute ago. He's got 2,000 goldsons then time flies
He is getting nice and chunky
Almost the dominator, baby
Farm it up. Yeah pretty pretty good item
Do you think at any point that item is actually going to get removed like Necronomicon?
Not necessarily permanently, but...
Ah, it's, I mean, there's always potential for it.
I mean, it depends on how the off-lane role is going to feel in this next big patch.
The issue with removing it is the heroes that largely have always depended on it, right?
Like the ones that such as, you know, the Lycans of the world.
Lycan, Beastmaster, that type. Lycan doesn't necessarily have to be as close to mandatory, isn't it?
It's just that seeing it on Centaur and Darkseer is not so inspiring, but having it on the Summoners...
I mean, maybe it's in a good place actually when it can be bought on all of them.
It's just the gameplay that it designs. I don't think it's...
I don't think it's that big of an issue. It needs a nerf.
I think conceptually it's fine to have these heroes be able to farm.
So what do you think is the problem? Is it that the creep is too good?
Because we've had multiple versions of this. We have the TI and the tournament before that, where everybody was buying Dawn.
Everyone and their mother. You had like three per team.
Yeah.
That was obviously stupid.
I think the stats that you're getting on the creep is probably a little too good.
Astral?
They missed the Shackle.
They did, but they haven't arrowed, so they're not going to kill them.
Die there?
It's not even close.
And now they know that there's a bane in their midst.
Nice slow, quick to stand feed, easy pick off, and that is a couple of nice kills for
Nemis or for CVS rather, to extend their lead a bit.
And Nemis is just love dying.
Good kills for them.
Oh, jump in, Florida, very aggressive.
He is alone though.
You hear Hammer Willman? Perfect!
He's in flips, Moe Bay tries to get out with that axe.
Damn, this guy's good. That was frame perfect.
Alright.
That was a macro.
Probably.
Now, it's one of those spells where you can actually, you can like train yourself based on being like,
okay, when the bar, when the stun bar is under this letter, you can start channeling Meteor Hammer.
There's very few heroes where I would say you do that on, but...
Well, actually we used to have a circle, or do this still?
Actually, it's looking at it again.
It used to be like a moving circle that would complete.
I think it's way more reliable to just look at the bar.
And at some point it also becomes muscle memory, right?
But that was just...
I genuinely think that was within, like, a couple of frames perfect.
Yeah, that connection's really nice.
From Lauren off.
Now I have to pay attention to...
the astral. Yep.
If there's a circle around there from a crazy.
Come on, use it.
Not min-maxing as much as he could. He could be astral-ing a creep, but then you don't have it if you get ganked right there right here
We'll follow him until he casts it
It's coming out. Don't look at anything else there is
Yeah, there's that there's this I mean the spinning enemies. It's you can't
No, I think it was before they put in the status
Effect symbol
You're not to be like a circular thing that would be like a complete sign like that hundred percent
You're not mistaking it for teleport right? No, no like the ring on that okay, because I remember you said
Use that to get the meteor hammer off on time
Smoke
It's broken dust onto pant out those gets the shackle into the focus fire
We did a damage get through this bridge can be hard they get the knife over the same though
Saber-lice a okay
That's tier two tower taking some heavy damage. It looks like CBS still want to fight though if the essence the stiller onto the Darth Willow
They hook stop. We're going to blade though.
We're going to damage the enemy. We're going to stab you to try to get away to grip right now onto the OV with a right click down from the meta.
It was way too much, but Lornoff does barely get out.
That saver lights can pop that primal, so it really wants to kill off Lornoff.
Able to get the blink in time though, as Omar will be the sacrifice.
So that's a one for one. A two for one. It just supports.
It's a good move from Nemesis though. They really want to get something done here.
It felt like step by step they were falling too far behind but leveraging the
power right now. Terriblade and Brumastor. You were down 5k gold, couldn't tell.
And that fight, just the the relative strength of the heroes right now is in
their favor especially. They probably made that call largely knowing that
Sanities was on cooldown after the Lena kill. They're like Terriblade is a God
when that spell isn't in this game. So it's the right read and they get the reward.
two kills in a tower not bad cutting in cutting away half of the lead that CVS have just found themselves
yeah was not not that big of a lead that would have loved to get the OD though it was very close to now instead
they're gonna have to kill him twice over next time as Lornoff is going to work on Rosh unless they
give the Aegis to Ghost I would like to see this one go on the OD though it's a better recipient of it
Especially because OD can save somebody else, except himself, so if you put the ages on
this guy and Windrunner gets jumped, well, kinda have protection for that guy too, and
there we go.
Now Lena picking up the blink dagger, Moby now, and now Kaya Yasha is next on the menu.
It's gonna be a while though.
of course
For once we see Bane, maybe they do this more often now these days. I don't know
I feel like we're seeing rushes of aggs lately. Yeah, let's go for the aether lens
This is the best lens here in the game. I think it's always been
That's why I was expecting it. I mean
Any time they skip it, feels weird.
Yeah.
There's two heroes in the game that I always want to have this item on if I can, and it's
Bane and Pugna.
Ooh, that was close.
Both heroes are so exceptionally dependent on positioning and cast range that it's such
a feels-good item.
It's like Mobile will gank any potential danger here, although he wants to go back through
with his team.
Cody would not be a great target right now, close to his tier 1 tower and his VHS.
They're gonna find Panto for now, he's gonna run it off with the Lotus, but running into
other Rift.
They're gonna burn a little bit of this and that'll be the Aegis down already.
Yeah, let's get out now though.
They will attempt it. Saberlight is going right into the enemy territory as Norman,
the death of Nemesis, and they actually do get away with it.
It's decent.
Ages for support.
And I mean, not just in ages. Four minute remaining ages.
Yeah.
It's a pretty fresh one.
I just love saying that, you know what it means, no, is there a meaning?
It's a German word, really, it means Knifesmith, Knifesmith, yeah, Messer, Messer is the German
word for knife, what's the difference between a Knifesmith and a Blacksmith, you know what,
I'll actually look this up for you is it just you only do knives like very
Targeted yes, so
Scotty up and running for
Jackie oh it was apparently also a famous German aircraft manufacturing company from World War two
Named after its the chief designer
Very interesting
But yeah, it's obviously named after a unique item in Diablo.
Oh, I see.
There's an axe called Messerschmitt's Reaver in Diablo.
Many Dota 1 items are named.
Oh, LSA, nice connection.
See ya.
Good find.
That's a big hefty boy, down and out.
How many items in Dota 1 were named after Diablo items?
Let's see, how many can you think of?
Those are Eaglehorn.
Yeah, so Eaglehorn was a unique bow in Diablo.
I mean, I don't know the names of Diablo, I just know the names they change.
That's Reaver.
Ogre Club.
That was not.
Is Lothar's Edge?
I think that was also a Diablo item, actually.
That's definitely something from Blizzard.
Yeah.
That might be the only runner.
Well, yeah, a lot of the heroes are named after Warcraft lore, obviously.
Skeleton King.
Yeah, that's a boss from Diablo.
Correct.
So many.
Such a dead Norman.
Again, inconsequential kills, though, not leading to any objective.
You see this gold leaf just kind of fluctuating, the graph looks funny. It's like little...
Hills and valleys...
No real progression being made, though.
And who's happier with that?
I mean, terribly, it is the hypercarry of the game, I would say.
He is really big now, with Mantis Scotty and almost the MKB, so...
I kind of feel like there's a very strong timing coming up for Nemesis here.
Ultimately, if we go the distance, I think Brewmaster inevitably...
It doesn't fall off the way he used to, but I don't think he holds up to, let's say, the scaling of the Centaur.
They get six-lotted. It still can be very strong.
It's not a game like... I felt like in the previous series, especially Game 1,
I just didn't really think pipsqueak had what it took if that one went late. This one either team can win in an hour
You know
Old Nigma love to go the hour mark. Oh, yeah, let's see if this
Conventus team falls the same conventions
Yeah, there might not be another team that has played more time down like 30k
Then Karouki's team. It's not because they lose a lot. It's because they just don't GG
What a great record. Most time spent suffering.
Congratulations.
That is a way to live.
You can't appreciate the good things unless you suffer first.
I mean that was the way that Mother Teresa actually worked since her end.
That's why she didn't want people to use painkillers when they were dying.
And then when she was dying, she did use painkillers. Interesting how that works, isn't it?
Riveting.
Yep.
My shadow.
Okay, vanish.
The astral is four-step.
No follow-up, though. And they're gonna back away, it seems.
This is gonna be a big fight.
As long as terribly connects so he's keeping mitsus to push out this way for the losers
But the rest of his team of smoke like they actually smoke to just spread out like what's what's the plan here?
I feel like he's about to get MKB and he really wants it. Yeah, he's got a common
Okay, yeah, so they're still gonna continue through with the smoke plate. I mean, this is nice little detail
Just keeping it making illusion make it less obvious that this place coming
Let's say it does hit up your gations gonna give him some time. It's gonna heat away
They need the fiend's grip. It's very important for these kills.
How does the axe work for OD? Does it dispel you as well?
Yes, you get a strong dispel. You get a strong dispel and an undispellable instance of objugation.
objugation so the shields are breakable yeah so you can break the passive but if
it has gone off you get the barrier and that is not removable considering how
much we saw O.D. and we'll see if we can get it back to you from Lorin off
DKB pop from Lorin off primal split now from Saberlight and try to walk it up
the four stat DKB is about to end can he get lifted he does while the BKB was
online Eric from Triumvirate took space DM jumps in they
to lead the Dark Willow to start things out and his primal split really didn't accomplish anything.
Now the Astrosphere from Lornoff into the Centaur stop that's the death of both supports now.
And this is just a bit disconnected, like you're using this primal split but you're
getting no connection from Lena, you're terrible, it isn't even there. I'm not really sure what the
idea was. If you want to go for that play and you get that setup on the OD with the BKB used,
you gotta, you gotta commit on it, right? You seem a little bit timid about trying to really finish
the job. If there was some sort of blink LSA from Lena coming out of that cyclone, maybe
you have an opening with Terribleight just wailing away, but off Jackie isn't even there.
I don't really think you have any point in looking for trouble.
Another two minutes, kind of a longer roast spot. It feels like forever considering the
Aegis was just taken out immediately. They're going to find Jackie in the jungle. Arrow
Star Storm more than enough damage, Saberlight comes in, but he doesn't even have Primal
Split, so what exactly is he going to do?
He does.
We'll use it to TP away.
I think it's killed the game right there.
Yeah, it feels like we have not seen Jackie really in a fight yet.
Yup, that's what they need.
And they're not finding it.
Because he is very farmed.
I mean, it's a 4K network difference between him and the next person, which is Ghost.
He is about 15-1600 away from getting a DKB on the Terrorblade and maybe that will make him feel safe.
But that's kind of what my- I feel like he plays very similar to Ami in the games that we have seen.
He's mostly just farming.
Yeah, he's a stupid farm, but it doesn't really matter if you're not putting the net worth too much use.
And at this point, 10k down, you're really, really relying on him.
This is just a massive generational divide between the supports.
Generational? That's a little extreme.
Techies almost has the combined net worth of the enemy two supports.
That's very unusual to see Omar is super far ahead.
What does he have coming out? He has a full side.
Wow.
So now his hex is complete. You're about to have a hex on the OD.
Just seems like smooth sailing honestly for CVS. I haven't really been threatened all that much and
If they if they're unable if they continue to be unable to find openings and it doesn't really matter then the terribly could be eight-slotted and
Yeah
Have to find an angle
Again pushing out the way, but they might be the ones to get John be a surprise hang on off actually
I don't think that Gryff is going to last, they can just tanner right out.
Ohmarr, wrapping around.
Ohmarr would be the perfect target, he does not have BKB, blinks the other way, now they're
going to smoke.
Yeah, they're scanned out on both sides, Saberlight farming a bit, he's going to be spotted here
with a sticky bomb, it's not exactly the target you want to go on though.
Aero does hit. And he gets hit by Keith the Bold as well, which is percentage-based damage, nothing to stop that.
He's gonna be found on LSA Laguna with the Terrorized. Lornoff saves him temporarily, but he's in a world of hurt here.
He uses a BKB, does the focus fire, he drops them.
That was actually close.
And now that he comes around onto DM, he pops his newly picked up BKB.
Silverlight will trade his.
Okay, finally a connection on a big kill.
Roche is up.
They take out Ghost and they might get the Roche.
That is a nice sequence of events for Nemesis.
Feels like the first time in the game really, but they are not going to get it for free.
they know I'm still primal split arrow oh good sidestep but maybe Lornoff can find
the back line he's trying for it he's got the sands
that's a good song on tattoo the LSA picks in his eclipse goodbye supports Omar in the
midst of all of this gets deleted Jackie that BKB trying to pursue Lornoff with
his BKB now but he is in trouble try to cancel this link that are constantly
Has it up now?
Oh!
That's it, ah-ha, Obdurgation.
Obdurgation's up the deep.
Indeed.
It's going to continue on, no LSA hits,
and this should be a kill now.
It's Pipe.
Astral's himself.
Blink is up in two.
It's not going to be in time.
It looks like those to the other side would stamp Eid.
It's OK.
Blink TP.
He's good.
Wow.
Obdurgation, baby.
This hero has been transformed with that ability.
That's for sure.
Used to have a cast point before 741E.
Oh, nice little tasty snack.
That's a dieback, by the way.
So really, that's kind of maybe a Roche invitation for CVS, no?
5v4?
You know there's no split.
I think it's, honestly, if they come in, I think it's just theirs.
This fight is really, really difficult to take for the Dire.
You can see them already heading on over.
Rosh just also half HP, so...
Has been softened up. I don't know why Jackie keeps hitting it.
Just making life easier for the Radiant.
Alright, power shot, scouting out three heroes.
Yeah. Yeah, Rosh Belch comes out.
Nemesis, it seems they do want to try to defend.
This is not happening. They have to give it up.
Yeah, there it comes.
All right, he just forgot this time.
Lornaff says, I am invincible.
I do not need this.
I am already immortal.
Okay, Omar looking for him.
Side steps a bit.
He's on his tail.
He's on his tail.
He's on his tail.
He has a feeling that he has left.
Meanwhile, Omar finds himself a brewmaster who'd love to make him use his primal split, but gets the blink rather off.
Tier 1, really.
Yep, I've been playing this side of the map all that much.
Falshivas, oh man, yeah, he is gigantic really big all three radiant cores and holding hands at 22k
That's impressive you don't see that too often no, it's it's a pretty good sign overall
There's some games where it's bad, but given the types of course they have I think all three of them being tied is completely
Okay, wouldn't be so great if one of them was like an alchemist obviously, but
This way looks good
He could hex him if he blasts off into him. Yeah, or just start with the hex from the high ground
Yeah, that's it sticky bomb. He's screwed. There's no defensive item
Goodbye
Big kill one of the seconds is godlike
With 322 CS meme number to mention it contractual obligation
All right
So, from your perspective, what do you... do you think Nemesis, the way they've been
playing this game, are going to break this one open somehow?
Like, I feel like we've watched the same game for 20 minutes.
They keep getting more items, but they're not getting the opportunities.
Their Lena is bleeding out of death here and there, and Terrible is not fighting.
Terrible is not really getting to do much hero damage.
I personally don't really see that changing until Lina gets really big, and while if he's the one who keeps dying, then it's not really inspiring me with a lot of confidence.
You can see Moe Bay is running for the Dagon, and then he wants to get Hex next, so defensive items unavailable entirely.
Every time this guy gets caught by Stun, he's dead.
I've been talking to BZM.
Yep.
BZM said you should pick OD. It's a better hero to not buy BKB on. Tower's gone. Ghosts. Nice and easy.
Oh, Scotty. Wow.
Yeah, he likes that on this hero. We've seen a couple of heroes pick up Scotty this tournament that don't generally do it as much.
Windranger, one of them. We've seen it a bit on Ember. It's obviously not like the first patch ever that you do it, but...
I think it's nice to see Scotty some more. It's a nice item.
Oh boy. Not getting the LSA connection there, Moby. A failed attempt.
Hikers breath!
Yep. Need some damage against the tanky set up.
I don't want to see it. It's a cool item. We just don't see it as often as I thought we would.
It means you don't have Pyke against OD and Windranger, which can become a problem.
I think the mindset of Jackie is I am so strong that Windranger can't go on with Focus Fire.
I'm just gonna overwhelm her.
And I think that might hold true for the moment, but Ghost getting one or two more items is gonna swing that.
Like, you don't really have much room to grow anymore, but he does.
He's got a full item slot still remaining from the Aegis and can still swap out the treads, too, obviously.
Just, I guess that's the same as you.
Saberlight. Planning to get a refresher doesn't really matter all that much if you're not fighting though.
Powershot will scout a couple. They're trying to find a Terrablade farming up top, but wrong team.
Shad is playing for one win. Saberlight.
Not a great target to jump on, we'll get some D-Words from both sides, looks like the Aegis
is just going to expire if it's on the port, do you think they got enough out of these
Aegis?
I don't really think it matters, I think as long as the enemy team doesn't have it and
use it to push high ground, that's okay. I mean, obviously it's better if they got a
great teamfight and used it, but they don't see a good opportunity. From my perspective,
they're not in a hurry. With their lineup, I think it's AOK. Saberline must be falling
sleep playing brewmaster and not using primal split for 10 minutes.
He does feel like the type that would get extremely bored very fast.
It's just like there's a subset of heroes in dota that just, it just sucks to play when
nothing's happening.
Like my short list as mainly a support player, on dying and warlock, when you're doing nothing,
it's just so boring.
Like your hero, the only thing they do is teamfight and brewmaster kind of falls in that
same category, right?
Like you're picking this hero.
He can farm though to get sure you can I mean it's not it's not like you're a slow farmer or anything
It's just it's not what the hero is made for you know, I'm in looking for the fiend script potentially
The power shop vision and now the stamp either kind of try to initiate you have this already
Cross into the ULs as Lorna goes in the back I want to kill off Norman gets off the fiend script
But does not last too long and already too dead for nemesis and again another fight that's just
I feel like these heroes just get isolated too fast.
Say the light, where do you think the primal split is?
Lornoff just drops the hammer onto Moby.
And now, the Terrible, let Paul alone blast off on his face.
The pure damage is too much.
Just such an easy fight.
It really did not break the sweat.
Look at the HP line.
Anastasys just have not been able to take a fight in any fashion.
Their supports die first, and then the formation is completely broken.
As soon as those supports are dead, if you see any additional targets you just blink stun them.
They all have connections, all have good spells for it.
Narmin, this is a dieback.
I think that's gotta be it, right?
We're getting at least two sets.
So I can like it.
Focus fire.
And we did?
I mean, I don't know if you would agree with what the panel and I thought that this was a good brewmaster game
I still really like the way it looks. They just have not found the fights
It hasn't really worked out in their favor and when you miss that 20-minute window
It's gonna start looking pretty bad. So just really outclassed in this game. I don't I don't strongly feel like this is an outpick
At the very least but just an outplay that conventions playing a really solid game
They've dodged a lot of the important fights for Brewmaster where Split gets used and you get no kills
Conversely all of their own moves have seemed to connect and at the same time they've also been more efficient around the map out for me
It's only been terrible aid for the Nemesis side finding a lot of gold
Now it's time for about to be time for a victory left last outer tower
Roshan 1 minute 20, if that goes to the side of Conventus, probably just going to finish the job.
I don't even think so.
It's a big win ranger.
Yeah, not much more room to grow.
So we're 45 minutes in now.
I feel like I've been cheated of a game.
Yeah, head away.
Like you see all this form and I haven't how much damage has he done this game like legitimately
that would be an interesting stat to look at because
Nothing's happened for Nemesis. Yeah, they've just
existed
The worst part is I think he might have done more damage than Lena potentially
These two cores have not really yep
Almost okay
15k it's more than I thought honestly
the thing is a lot of this damage has been has not led to kills so it's it's
gonna look better than it is let's say you do 2,000 damage here 2,000 there to a
centaur and an OD well it doesn't matter they're not dying
Lornoff's still the flawless game here, oh proccany E on disc, Lornoff wanted to get a direct hit
If Jack cancels, we'll have a BKB and scurry away Jackie, already using his BKB and meta, so for CVS, I think you just try to chill for the moment.
They still have stampede if needed to get away.
And again, this is so much used, right?
Yeah, Primal Splitdown, meta, BKBs.
Fiendscript 2, they've got to cancel by the shackle.
He got the shot off in the middle before the animation, so actually it was very valuable.
And yes, you're seeing a long hoofstomp. These level 25 talents are plenty on the radiant.
OD, Centaur, and Windranger all have their big talents on the dire side. None of them.
And then I pick it out. They can probably just smoke, go for a kill, and or just go for Rosh.
Yeah, you'd think so. I mean, dude, they have refresher on brew, right?
Yeah, so he has a second to play. He already used the refreshers, as a matter of fact, immediately after him.
So a little bit of a waste if you don't get to use the split-time.
The pellets will come. You have to take this fight. There's just, uh, I don't think there's any choice.
Even without grip, you gotta go for it.
Convents us our where.
Group up, creeps are in their base as well, so always have to worry about that.
Power shots, arrows.
There's the Huffstaff initiation from DM's.
There's the brew, ult, available as Joke, completely instigated with the hammer.
Saberlight has to use the BKB in retreat.
And your tier 4s are going down ever so slowly, these creeps as well, while this is all happening.
Oh man, another Huffstaff, actually he might have the damage to burn through him.
He gets off the accident into the Stampede and he's dead without my back.
Oh, no, okay.
Goodbye.
Nice knowing you.
Arrow blasts off though.
Ages for ghosts and this should be it.
You can buy back Lena if you want, but you don't have the Brewmaster.
So we'll be tough.
Terrorblade, last ditch effort is going to buy Daedalus now.
If the courier even gets to go there.
has been placed down. Scouting arrow almost hits actually wasn't paying
attention there. But Megas at the very least. And Lorna a two shot. Okay. Jinx.
Now the rest are coming out from Lorna up to another Sanity's Eclipse. Not enough
for a kill outright but they have the arrow. No, the BKB just in time for
Jack-A-Goyle. Sunders his teammate. Still the focus fire. We'll force him back.
Yeah, that Roche banner is a very good placement.
We're gonna get the magas.
And this will be game one in favor of CVS, looking much more crisp and on the same page than Nemesis, I have to say.
And there's another kill for a support.
Taking a page out of Kuroki's book from Nemesis. Not gonna call GG quite yet.
Ghost gets pounded on by Saberlight.
It's up to Bruelinks.
Now the right clicks should be enough to burn this
Aegis at the very least.
I'd say that, but the focus fire first takes out Moe Bay,
and Ghost is just healing up the ridiculous amount.
As there's so many creeps to work with, Jackie,
no target to stun her.
It's nine minutes to last moment.
Finally gets the stunner up on the Ghost,
but still gonna die.
And finally they call GG.
Basically a 50k net worth lead by the end of game for CVS.
I'm not really much to say about that, Team Diff just outplayed and they did a better
job in all phases of the game, I would argue, on Conventsus and make it look easy.
That's actually about...
Thank you very much.
That's what's been on Cinderance.
Team Diff, Cinderance says, and I couldn't agree more.
This felt a little underwhelming from the side of Nemesis and I won a credit CVS for
playing good and solid Dota, but they also got all the space and time in the world Lacoste
to make all those moves from there. Yeah, pretty much. We expected maybe a little bit of a faster
gameplay coming up from Nemesis when they were grouping around the mid lane. They also didn't
achieve much, but you could see quite a lot of mistakes being made throughout the whole game,
the way that they're checking the runes where they like, I think Lena sees the techies approaching.
She still dies that engagement getting caught off the map multiple times
I did like their draft a lot, but there's like something is lacking. They were not on the same page
So many times we see brewmaster going in using the split the rest of the team
It's like they're not on the same page when it comes down who needs to initiate when because it seems like very chaotic in a lot
Of these situations. Yeah, I think Kaila is the best way of describing it
The idea of your brew going in Lena can TP on she goes to the early blink daggers that you can TP onto the brew blink
You know, quick door for a kill, blink back, count light.
The concept through the limb system is there, the execution just never translated,
and you know, the terror blade, my guy just was on an island, he was just hitting creeps for days.
He has great net worth, you know, but ending the game 2, 3 and 5, all the economy in the world,
like, only doing 5,000 more damage than Alina that was dying eight times,
it's like, you can see that it just wasn't going their way.
And then for Conventus Valarum, I'll say the full name every single time,
they just full AFK hit, creep and happy.
when you look at all these clips, all three cores were even networked for the entire time.
They never made like any real blunders and phonemesis like Brumaster and Lina,
they were making these moves, they were trying to do things and they could never keep up with the
all core scaling and it then just become like terribly versatile. I don't know, it was, I just,
I do agree with you, I felt like I just watched 30 minutes of like the same game play within that
game. Yeah, normally you would say that. We've been watching the same game for 20 minutes,
It was 40 minutes into the game.
What else have you been doing?
No, it was definitely, we could feel the difference.
Definitely from a spectator point of view.
And potentially does that have something to do with that?
Maybe Nemesis wasn't comfortable with the draft that they were playing,
with the style that they had to play with these drafts?
For me personally, I think there is just a lack of communication
between the Terrabade and the team.
And also I think maybe Moby on the leaner.
not going for like a BKB or an item to be tankier.
The fact that you're allowing like Omar on the techies to just freely jump in, do what he wants,
like you can't have heroes enter fights and then be afraid of in like one and a half seconds.
And that's what techies does best.
Yeah, he has the third most damage from his team.
I think he needs to get more respect on this hero.
Every single time I watch him play, he does way too many things.
Like look at his items, these are like four items we're talking about.
techies with, you know, two support items also picks up a casual Aether Lens so he can keep the distance but also having Hex.
Like we've seen some really good performances coming out from the supports key or yesterday where he had 28 minute Wind Waker as well.
And you can't allow this to happen. You can't allow supports to free cast their spells in every single fight.
Not maybe. There was also maybe Omar's is really good.
That's one of the problems. Yes. So they will definitely need to put more respect.
respect. Yeah, we're gonna see how good he is on text. Yeah,
absolutely. Because he was the one who was getting the solo
kills as well. Of course, everybody realizes this is
basically another solo kill. Joe, he was getting caught out of
position as well. What I wanted to point out is nemesis
positioning. This is something that usually doesn't happen.
You we are not seeing the solo kills happen like post 2530
minutes. It's just way too many things like happening on the map
Like these things happening, happening on two different sides of the map at the same time as well.
It just feels like they have maybe been too greedy.
You talked about Terablate where he was just farming, maybe that next item that he needs,
and the supports as well, maybe even cores like we saw Mobey on Lina going for that extra bit of a wave,
not respecting the damage that can come up from OD.
I would just like to know if Omar is a scroll wheel Turkish player.
Because again, if you don't know, you can bind scroll wheel to the mine.
So when you jump in, he's go, and he goes, mind, mind, mind, mind.
But like, maybe he's just a clicker, but he's so good.
I just want to know, like, is he, you know, using the easy mode with the
scroll wheel, or is he just like that good that he can just press one button
three times whilst jumping through the air?
Maybe, maybe if they win this next game, we will have to ask Omar that specific
question. It's like, well, just this one question, scroll wheel, clicker, we'll
find out. But overall, I mean, it looks very good for, for CVS.
they had a smooth sailing they went through all the objectives and those
objectives went down real fast for example take off the Roshan yeah I just
I know we've seen OD multiple times but I just want to remind everyone that OD is
one of the best rush takers in the game right he does pure damage with his orb
Roshan of course scales as time progresses that's just HP going up armor
going up but when you have OD that's just pure you just don't care about your
scaling you know other heroes might take longer might take just clunkiness but
yeah OD you don't really think about the heroes of Roshan and Taker I think on
average but when you see it in the game like guys if you give him like 12 seconds in the pit
that thing is gone. Now for Nemesis they obviously are playing their fifth series here and yesterday
they did get a 2-0 but before that every single series went the distance can they do so here again
can they force out a third game to the series we're finding out after a break.
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Conventus Stalarum are a new team emerging into Dota 2 and I'm here to talk about that
with Mr. Lornoff himself.
So, I mean, first League, Conventor Star, cool name, where did that come from?
I just chose the name by our team was thinking what's name we want to like make this.
Just word clouded, just came up with some ideas and that's what came out?
Yeah.
Fair enough, that's pretty cool.
So, what's the story of this team?
How did it sort of come together?
I mean, I can say, it's probably not like our final roster, right?
Yeah.
It's like with this, like, you know, it's like play the tournament, so it's just like,
I just played a spot with the guys after the TI.
It's like, some people, it's who I want to play,
it's who I want to play, and we just make the team,
and it's how you go.
You've obviously played with Omar in TI, right?
So how did you want to play with Diem?
How did you know that he was someone you wanted to play with?
I just focused him maybe a little bit in his diamond.
Just a chill guy, pretty smart about the game,
so I was thinking he's a pretty good designer,
So I would like to play with him this season.
How has it been putting a team together yourself?
Has that been something which has been fun to do?
Not really, maybe like fun to do.
But you know, just like the work, the process,
you might like need to make it somehow.
What do you think your style is going to be like?
What kind of dota do you want to play?
I mean, I feel like our macro and team,
we will like figure out it, right?
Because I feel like we have a pretty close idea,
I don't know how you'll see the Dota 2 map right now, so I think we'll make it kind of clean for every course, in fact, no, yes, we will be trying to work on macro a lot.
Excellent. And looking back now on your time at the International, how do you feel it all went? Are you happy with how everything went down?
Maybe a little bit more like top third, Teri will be better, but in general, yeah, for sure it's good
I know why would not expect like we got to 5-6, so yeah, I'm happy with it.
I mean, what led you to that point at TI now, do you think?
You know, did you think it was like strategy, gameplay, clutching up?
Because all of your games just felt so exciting.
Strategy, I would say, I think we have pretty good hero understanding in the time, right?
So, yeah, just here understanding was really high, and I think that's helped a lot.
And also our macro was just fine, it was a pretty strong macro team, I would say.
Maybe some other team was anyway stronger, right, that's why they got to the next stage.
But for us it was mainly this.
And you obviously still have a very strong drive to compete, right?
I mean, where does that come from for you?
Do you just want to be the best mid-laner in Dota?
Yeah, I would say so. I want to have pretty good dominate season.
for myself, you know, like, dominate, like, one season or two seasons in Dota,
it should be, like, really, like, interesting for me, I would say.
And also, when we're, like, being on LANs, it's a pretty excellent experience in life.
So, yeah, I just want to, like, work on it.
All right, well, we spoke a little bit about DM, but what about Omar as well?
You know, he seems like, again, kind of similar to DM.
A pretty chill, friendly guy. Is that what you like about him?
Yeah, you know, Amar is just a pretty, like, chill guy, you know?
I like to play with him, you know?
And yeah, I just like saying, let's play hard for the next season, I like to play with you.
I think it's pretty special about it.
Yeah, you're pretty chill, you know, DM's pretty chill, Omo's pretty chill, you know.
Do you need a little bit more fire in the team?
No, the point is, I think, you know, we always have this fire when we play,
like a fish shawl on scrims, you know, we just work it.
It's anyway like in Dota you always have some energy, right?
And not really, I feel like as long as your team can be more chill together, it's actually really good, in distance it's really good.
And how does that come across in communication? Do you feel like you can always just bring up any problems and there won't be any bad bloods?
I cannot say right now, I'm not sure.
I don't have time for that either.
I mean, it's not honestly like a lot of new team coming right now.
I would say maybe like Yandex, really interesting.
But it's like, you know, happens to your team.
Happens to Yandex because right now it's hard to say, like,
do they will be like really strong or not, right?
Obviously, Amar is a really strong player, right?
So, they might play good, but who knows.
And maybe, like, Team Liquid will be pretty interesting, but it will happen to them.
Yep.
Alright, good stuff.
Finally, what's your expectations for this event?
What are you hoping to achieve here?
I mean, hard to, like, not really.
I never have expectations day by day.
So, yeah, just live life day by day and prepare for the game.
So, you just want to play the best you can?
Yeah.
Whatever that takes you?
That's how it goes?
I would say it's pretty good house and I would say it's for tournaments.
I would say so as well.
Alright, well, thank you so much for coming to talk to me and best of luck.
Have a lot of fun.
Thank you.
Thanks.
Always good to hear from Lornaff who was on the winning side of the previous game.
We're going to find out if they can do all this and therefore punch their ticket to the playoffs
or maybe Nemesis will force out the third game to the series.
I'm here with T-Gav and Lacoste.
Let's focus on what Nemesis should change because obviously last game they didn't really play the game we were expecting.
Let's assume it was a warm-up game, you know, first game of the day.
This time around they will be able to play their best Dota.
What is their best Dota? What does their best Dota look like?
Not the one that they play against 1W. This is where they look the best.
This was their first series actually, maybe like a little bit of a surprise as well because 1W at the time was still, there still are trying to find things out what works for them, but this is where Nemesis looked the best.
Game 2 and game 3, with that profit plus Tusk pick that they did have from the off lane, they were the ones that did have Techies in game number 2.
I don't want to see if they're going to be swapping things around, if there are going to be respecting the keys, because this hero has just been a menace in every single game that I've seen CVS play.
And also like Nemesis, they have heroes that want to do things, like they're made in offline, historically, are more not sacrificial, but like they're volatile in a sense where like they want to get a lead, they want to go crazy, they want to go do things, and they tried to do it in the previous game.
They were just met with just a brick wall of defensive tools, counter play and maybe
that's what I'm trying to look at.
You need to try and enable nemesis aggression, enable the fact that you have players that
like you go tiny with link four stuff from the mid lane, you've got Saberlight who was
happy to throw himself to the wolves, right?
Like just go do more because I honestly still like I forgot that even a game one happened
because it's just like it was just a trance the entire time.
It was just waiting.
The inevitable was kind of set.
Yeah, I want to see something different I do I do like the fact that I'm still in the same trance
I do like that they still believe in the idea. I did like their draft a lot in game number one
It's just the execution wasn't there. I want to see, you know, maybe some changes
I don't want to see the exact same draft. This is not like puppy. We're talking about that's going to be running five same heroes
three times in a row if needed, but
I want to see something more from yokan because I think he has been
having a bit of a rough tournament he has been dying left and right in most of the
games unnecessarily. A lot of the times you would see him on a different part of
the map just dying he buys back he dies again solo after that the enemy
position 3 and it's just not the type of a play that you would expect from these
professional e-gamers and Nemesis I feel like they can play much much better
they can play much faster I'm not sure if they have not woken up correctly today
day or what's going on but this this first one was just a complete stomp yeah
essentially they already changed it up with the OD being banned MOBA is like
yeah no I don't want to lane against that so that's the first change that we
see this draft because other than that the only thing that changed of course
is side but the pick order for the teams remains the same so that's why we still
have a very similar draft now previously Nemesis they did also bet up the
earth spirit just like this one but the other one was the clockwork so that is
the odd one out that is still left in the pool. Yeah, I don't mind that at all. I think the clock
ban is just some some casual ban that doesn't really have much purpose. We didn't really talk
about it in the previous game, but there's so many strong fives that if you were worried about
the potential like windranger plus one combinations, hence why you ban clock, it's like if it just felt
a bit empty. I think I didn't really kind of clock that in the first one. Conventus the learn.
I like this just having tiny we talked about tiny in the last phase that it's
gonna get contested for a good reason so they change the priority a little bit
and now with which doctor you will always have something in the lane against
center especially early on nobody's gonna be tanky against malediction
throughout the whole game it's an insane ability it doesn't have much win
right this hero has a very very low win rate that people have been forcing it
But I also feel during EWC, during TI, people have been trying out Witch Doctor with some
of these carries that are not so strong in the lane because they benefit more from the
heal.
We're talking about Spectre during EWC, this is a very potent combo, because you need something.
He kind of replaced Warlock in a sense, and Tiny, I don't think he needs any kind of that
stuff, because his HP pool is so massive, he has great HP regen as well, that's an extra
thing on top of it.
But a lot of damage, a lot of burst damage that they have with this Tiny Lena and Witch
Doctor combo.
Yeah, it's just three heroes that they have to do things.
I think the main thing is like, your carry will happily join the fights with the Terrorblade.
That takes like team understanding of when to make the Terrorblade part of the aggression.
With a Tiny, you have to just be part of the aggression.
Like you're forced into it.
It's also, yeah, it's just a short cooldown on top of that compared to Terrorblade, compared
to brewmaster that they'd have in the previous game because you have brewmaster he uses split
there it's like you know what we don't have it we are not going to be joining a fight so
it does feel like they are trying to screw things up with heroes that they have.
The reason why I see witchrota have just such a low win rate is he is exceptional in the
lane through either going for maledict aggression, heal for sustainability like you mentioned
because warlock's not very good nowadays but when you enter the mid to late game.
It's pain.
You are.
the suffering you show yourself for a millisecond like an ember slight chains a pangu squash
buckle a techie sneezing you just disappear from the fight right his ulti also you can't
channel your ulti like you see this alti going off for like half a second immediately get
stopped this is not some like legend arc on gameplay of like I've got my blink ads by
bkb my aether lens you know you're not getting there but that aside which doctor in the correct
hands with glimmer and shard and ways to kite you can still have impacts through just surviving and
like baiting out initiations. The problem is you need to have that good lane, you need to set
yourself up to have that economy because if you don't you are just going to be a free target for
any any hero right now in the Coventus De La. I'm just to kind of snipe you and kind of put you back
to the base. Yeah, depending on which direction they want to go, Coddle could be good if they want
want to play through Tiny. I don't think they're lacking stuns. It's just that
his supports might be a little bit of lackluster setting things up at the
early stages if you go for like another hero like Karl, because Witch Doctor is
not a hero that can easily move. Let's say he TP rotates, he needs to have full mana
to use his Maladik to use his cast on top of that. So maybe something else and
this is gonna be a good way of stopping things. I wanted to see him being picked
in the previous game on 18, but after they picked OD, it was just a no-go.
This time around, I think he's going to be having a much better time, and it also stops
some heroes that Ghost likes to play, because this is the Blinkblade male buyer.
It's very good against Centaur as well, before he gets Agarim's, which he gets relatively
late in the game.
So no Windranger this time around.
Honestly, I could still see them going for it.
Really?
They're still winning on the hero, right?
If the axe is finding the winranger then like the techie doesn't like his job or the sentel doesn't like his job
Like I could see a world where they just don't care
If anything it's like a deterrent towards like the kez and those type of heroes
I'm not a big fan of like kez
I think we've seen some really mediocre kez performances so far in the tournament and
Blade mill just destroys that hero. No, yeah, I'm saying don't pick it. Oh, yeah
Yeah, I don't want them to pick it. No, I love the axe. Don't go. Yeah. Yeah, cool
I was thinking no, maybe maybe we go Sven
It's here to carry matchup is not that great against tiny. It's good against axe. You don't really die
She's like all the way to like three more. Yeah
You know like MVP is like they try to create the LVP yeah, Norman's gonna have a rough one
Watching be like Dodd like that'll be that'll be high. I mean that is which doctor in that show you ever go like 10 4 and 17
Or you're like 212 but there you don't have anything in between that on the hero
There was an earths about as well. The earths has been
Rising in stock like tomato and like the return of like the earths of specialists
What position for would you like to have together with the axe on the off line?
Because we talked earlier that we haven't really seen if you felt the impact of Joe. Yeah, I'm down for some hoodwing
Yeah
Every time this hoodwing gets willow
it maybe even like a rubik just to have a bit more of a defensive capabilities if
you're leading is getting jump lage from the game having a shot could be quite
nice yeah but the hood ring in the willow gun band as I would imagine expected
also by nemesis it is by the way nemesis is are you checked it comes from
Greek it's a Greek word I guess if it was Latin it would be nemesi I'm thinking
I'm still thinking about Caudal if they like lowering the cooldown on a lot of these heroes does feel good quite a lot of spam
They don't know what they're gonna be playing against
Okay
There's a double meaning
Talking to these heroes, it's okay right just throwing cogs into a pango pre-roll
Try to eat some of his mana or up centaur as well
I feel like it's more of a comfort pick than like this is objectively the best pick for the draft
If anything it does subscribe more aggression and everyone has to go like there is no single hero nemesis
But after one item AFKs and that could give hope to the team that they're gonna sync up and do more things on the map
Which was fully lacking in the last game. Okay, both of their support have a 25% or lower win rate. That's worrying
Yes, the numbers aren't looking good
But our job is to try and make it look better right now and the win rate is even worse for the soft support
So we can't even hype that up stop showing these stats production get rid of them show something positive
Please show like an axe win rate or something or is that better actually?
I don't even know. What's the best win rate on these heroes?
Probably tiny
And that is the chance of them winning this game
Well, this is going to prove that stats do lie actually.
Amen.
Yeah.
All right, one more pig needed here for CVS.
They are looking for a hero for Ghost and it will.
Oh yeah, let's look it in baby.
One more time.
They don't care.
They try to block it with this axe pick with a lot of stuns and everything.
Just doesn't matter.
Ghost has been obsessed with this hero and I can't really blame them.
Like right now.
Look at that win rate also.
win rate compared to, and we just saw the win rates of the heroes on Nemesis, the numbers
speak for themselves and I'm not a big fan of this Clockwork, Last Pick overall, I think
they put themselves in a position where this Last Pick doesn't really do that much, it's
not that great of a Clockwork game either, you're playing against Marana, it can be a
bit annoying against Pangolier, against the Centaur, good against the Stampede, but not
What's the strongest laner with Axe if you want to, because you didn't know what your
didn't know, quote unquote, because they just pick Windranger as the last pick no matter
what, I would prefer if this was something else.
I just, like, for Nemesis, execution is key, because I think the same type of game could
occur in this one where if the initiations aren't clear, the counter play for Convent
of Stellarum, even though it's not as robust as like the OD with a, you know, a banish
and I've combo break you they still have the tools to you know jump the back line
Oh save let's jumped in but the lean is not there now the lean is gonna jump by
the pango and all what's happening like ghost is ripping through like you need
to just play very well on emesis that these heroes will make mistakes these
heroes can easily you know overplay their own hand and after game one I'm
expecting that to happen at least once or twice so they need to make sure that
early game is good enough to give themselves the insurance of making
mistakes yeah what does that game plan look like I think their game plan should
They just go go go the way mouse plays Dota
I think they just need to go in and try to make stuff happen because I think again
They get outscaled in the late game. Just kill everything if it moves kill it
Lichy anything
Does Nemesis have ways to deal with that? No, I mean then this is a message. That's what they're doing
That's the CVS has ways to deal with that. Yeah, I think so. I think they can't we just end the game quickly
They moved yeah, they they have good lineup to stop this aggression from going through
Okay, but it's who'd at least be then an active a game. It's gonna be an enjoyable one made extra enjoyable by Sun Sun and syndrome
Thank you. She ever yeah, this should be an interesting one Nemesis, of course
Have their backs against the wall
They are
They're gonna lose this game. They are eliminated
We're CVS trying to not go three games for once in their life. We'll see if they can achieve that
Have they actually done that every single day? They'd have it to they too old yesterday, but not on our stream
That's right.
I would like to see Nemesis put up a better fight though, feel like last game was not it to say the least.
They go with the Lena mid again, which I appreciate, but he better deliver.
Yeah, this time he doesn't have to worry about the OD, but the lane itself wasn't really the problem.
It was all the surrounding factors of ganks and rotations, and I have the same sentiment as I did in game number one.
If you're playing Lina mid, you need to play to her strengths with supports.
You need to get her the runes. You need to gank her lane.
And not once again allow
Convinces to go and gank. I think Mobe died twice in lane.
Mero, nice dodge.
Save her head. Almost turned back into it actually. That would have been funny.
I think maybe
I'm not really convinced that this Nemesis draft is more stable than the last one.
The good news is their carry this time is a tiny instead of the Terriblates.
so I think he can take more initiative and that's what we want to see from them, right?
The last game was just a little bit of a mixed bag of, yeah, we have a really farmed carry
and you know, a couple of supports that really want to make moves, but then you still had
a weak Lina and it was a little bit all over the place.
Need some more consistency here.
Well, speaking of consistency, Ghosts pick Windrunner again, so.
Yeah, riveting stuff.
Can you actually look this up for me?
Has he picked anything other than Lone Druid, Windrunner?
Well, he's played Windranger six games, and they've played how many games?
Two, five.
They've played eleven games.
They've played Windranger a half.
I know he's played...
We've watched him play Lone Druid at least twice, if not thrice.
I don't think I have a fast way of looking this up, but there's a website you can go
to at any time.
Okay, what's it called?
Dotabuff.com.
And then what do I search?
Ghost.
Okay, let's see if that works.
There's Lorna working on the pango this time.
See if he can have a similar impact on the game as he did on the OD obviously a much different hero, but
I guess the main thing to look for from him is
The main negative I guess from the nemesis's lineup from his perspective is the clockwork can be extremely annoying against the pango leader.
here. Okay, so he played Viper, one game, Necrophos, one game, Kez, one game. Okay. Fair
enough. And Shadowfiend, one game. I think that's Shadowfiend. So he's played four of
the heroes once each, and then, eh, Windrangers is better, and has pretty much only played
that. I see. Yeah, he did play Viper yesterday. Yeah, I thought they might pick Viper here
against all these melee heroes.
I was...
I think the problem with Wibendrum is that position one would be
your ceiling only goes so high, I would say,
but maybe that's not as true these days, is Omar gonna get hit with a stick?
Will live?
Will not?
Still has Malavik, apparently.
And it's the old...
BD. Baton switch.
Sure.
There's Nemesis with a 1-0 start here, Saber-Lite doing his best to harass Ghost actually off to a decent start in terms of the CS, 14 and 6.
I believe you go Blade Mail this time on the axe, right? Surely.
Even against Techies syndrome.
Yeah, I mean you're definitely getting the item, it's more about the order, if you want to get blink first.
I'm just gonna bring it up to the last axe beside the knuckleblade.
Yeah, I would definitely say you go blade melee, especially against Windranger, you just want every little bit of damage you can get to try to kill a rocket.
Or not, okay.
A little bearing here, but the barrier of course helps, but he is taking quite some of use.
We'll still survive though.
This is a difficult lane, the rocket almost got him, yeah.
This is a much easier time for Moe Bay than last lane, this is a D.
Close call on that one.
Luck grenade though, from Jokum.
This is very important.
He's off the cogs, another one coming, not gonna hit.
Although Moe Bay is the one to die to Omar and he gets to deny the rune as well.
Rocket Flare misses on Lornaff.
And he will secure the water rune.
So quite the turn of events here for CVS.
Yet again, just better, right?
Like, they make the same rotation, but theirs leads to the kill and theirs leads to the water rune.
And it's a bit of a, you know, if Clockwork is a different hero there, maybe that's a different story if he's like a ranged form.
Arrow does hit with the help of that power shot.
And this is going to be a dead axe at the end of the day. It gets off the call. Attempted TP actually might be able to get out.
Very nicely done.
Heads up play from Saber-Line.
He's spamming his own voice line.
Yeah, he loves that.
Let's see if DM can have a similar performance on this Centaur.
You were saying that they should be banning the Centaur potentially.
Yeah, I, after, with the sample size of the games we have in this tournament,
I think it's better to give DM his enigma, honestly.
And I know that might sound crazy because he's one of the heroes he's renowned for,
Personally, I don't think he's been showing the best performance on that hero as of late.
I think a lot of his games are just not impressing me compared to other players on the hero,
but his Centaur looks very stable.
It's also a lot easier to build a lineup around.
I think Enigma is a lot more restrictive in the types of 4s it needs to play with, the
types of carries it gets to play against, so much rather just get rid of half-men, half-horses.
How dare you?
We can go to the CS though, this time for the side of Nemesis, safely going very well, in particular, Jack Voiz is just kind of free farming.
42 CS minutes 6 is very good.
Keep working here from Lauren off of Mars here, but can they kill him?
Stop again! He's going to get the Laguna Blade off right now, with that shield crash, he's mitigating all that damage.
There's Lorna burning, but will survive as the arcane rune is well.
Feels like everything in the mid lane going away of Lorna just by a hair.
This is the difference in this game is, again, Lena is...
She's not left on an island because Clockwork did try to help on the 4 minute rune,
but just unfortunately didn't quite have enough to kill Lorna,
but then on the 6 minute rune she's left alone and she will get killed that time.
And if they keep finding success with it, they're not going to stop like,
Stop like O'Marrow, keep going mid every two minutes, blasting off the Lena on the rune and killing her together with Pango, and it's only going to get easier now that Pango's six gives them way better counterplay.
Oh, and they are going to try as it looks for the wisdom steal. Pango.
Pango's really early too, by the way.
You'll typically see them come at this stage, and they're just going to chew it up.
That wasn't an interesting idea if they brought Pango, but not the case, DM.
Yeah, he's in a 1 vs 2 to try to secure there with some shrine, but now Panto joins the party.
Looks like Darman's gonna bite the dust as a result.
You gotta be careful with using double-hitch when you're a Malavik, dude.
Very true.
Saber like getting some good armor from that call.
And top net worth, as usual, is Jackie.
is Jackie and like you said, I do like to see him on a hero that is in a way kind of forced to fight with your team at some point.
I just, I genuinely think that this tournament and this patch Tiny's just better.
I know that's an oversimplified way of looking at it because obviously there will be individual games where Terrible is better, but if you're just,
I'd say you'd had to first pick.
I would just take Tiny every day.
Malik, onto DM.
We might live here, all along with that tree throw, that was necessary.
He is done.
Pop him there.
Alright, we're gonna take the arrow.
We'll survive.
No bank.
Gets an InvisRune, let's see if he can set something up with this.
It will be spotted, but...
Desperately needs something to go his way as he has had a rough series so far.
He has a better start this time than last game.
at the very least
Relatively speaking to the field
centaur is
furthest to the bottom so a
Significantly worst start as well. It's time for DM. So conditions for nemesis are at least a lot better than they were in the first game
They also kind of got away with I would say the clock ax lane which isn't necessarily the strongest but
But considering Saberlight is almost a thousand up on the center, it's a mission accomplished
from Joakim.
And then it's just a matter of, can he keep...
This is where, you know, you just leave Axe alone, like just let him farm.
And keep playing with Moby and look for picks, like see if you can find an angle, see if
you can threaten somebody.
Oh, Mara's gonna be spotted here.
He has a sentry though, so Moby can't quite...
They're active, mate.
A quiet early game. Yep, unfortunate for MoeBank. Can't make good use of that in Dizerant.
We'll get some farm in the jungle in the meantime though. Dude, he'll happily take an Invis rune and not use it over dying on the rune a third time in a row.
You think so? Yeah, that's a tough call. He's probably happy with this
in the
Relative sense none the absolute one like you said obviously getting a good power room finally would like to do something with it
But techies was on the ball with the century
Tiny versus Windranger by the way we saw last game the terrible late versus versus Windranger, which didn't really
It almost felt like the two heroes close didn't interact the whole game
This time it seems a lot more likely that tiny and wind will be going at it
And that is a very interesting matchup. I think it's quite double-edged in the sense that
Tiny wants to get Silver Edge later, and getting Silver Edge done Windrunner feels extremely bad,
because your move speed is capped at 200, but at the same time,
she's also one of the heroes that has overwhelming single-target damage.
She can actually kill Tiny in the stuns that they do have.
So, a lot is riding on who gets the right initiation and who has the better information available.
So, Clockwork is a nice hero for that.
For both of those factors.
Ten minutes.
Yep, it's real coming.
There'll be a regen from Bobay. Not too shabby.
Is Omar- is he dead?
No.
What, Grenade?
He did waste his south though.
I actually don't think he needed to use it.
I'll let him know after the game.
Yep.
It's an angry tweet. An angry X. Don't ever say that again.
Joke, I'm not quite level 6 yet. It has had pretty decent impact on me so far.
Stampede. It's DM using it to get out of dodge. Malik, not going to be enough. He will be in fountain.
He doesn't have a helm of the Dominator, but does he have a creep yet?
I don't see him with a creep so
Doesn't have the ability to pull waves right now. Oh, this would be a cool move though Omar going through the gate
together with ghost
But at the same time nemesis are making their move to mid
perfect timing
Now if they were to kill pango with this that would be a
two-for-one special dodging and killing
Looks like everybody is reading the map quite well so...
Both will come up empty.
Yeah.
Evens out, waste of time on both sides.
Yeah, I think this is still better overall for Nemesis though because they get position
on the mid tower.
And Lornaugh does not seem aware how he is.
He's a sloshbuckle up wide, Luzuna Blade, Atalanche toss, easy kill, nice pick off for
Nemesis.
Finally get something going for Moe Bay. He won't be the one to get the last hit, but
Kill in his lane
If you're gonna take the tower away from him with Norman
Cores are
It's really unfortunate
Why?
Why would she say that for our four-boy Shad?
There's always white mom stealing something. I think the conditions in that were a little bit different though
like Lina really needs this every bit she can get I know she's thorough
network this is not nearly as bad as game one but yeah it's definitely bounced
back it was a going a different build this time interestingly last time we
went double null into travels this time he's going round boots Kaia into then
travels a lot later I guess it's just a consequence of having a better laning
stage that he thinks he can greet it up a bit more.
Other Kayak intermittently.
Ghost, Saberlight's level 10, load up.
Saberlight pursuing hookshot misses though, and that should be the end of it.
Well Saberlight's really fast.
Pits up the call actually.
Blast off the try to help out, or he'll have to sacrifice his life to keep his one runner alive.
He will do so.
More reinforcements though, Lorna.
It's off the rolling cut and Saberlight is dead soon, surely, and a Swashbuckle, very nice placement, gets the double.
So Ghost of Iance, DM on the guys again, and he's having a really rough one.
Yeah, they're shutting him down hard with this Witch Doctor, Tiny Lean.
And good on them, because from my experience in watching the tournament so far,
Witch Doctor has like 20 minutes of relevance, so you better get value out of it.
You know, it's interesting, in the last maybe couple years with which Doctor, his least important skill is his ult.
Can you say that that's accurate? It seems like in a pro game it seems useless most of the time.
It's very hard to use.
Like, who do switch a Rue? Sure. You're dodging stuff, it's not damage necessarily.
Who switchers should be his ult?
That would be interesting.
I'm the shard is
That why not send her in Omar gonna be killed
That's Louise not experiment who do switch a roulette nice of stomp war stop, I believe is called actually
So that's one of your few good I'm gonna be thinking about this the whole game now. I like it
Let me know what you think I think it's give me some feedback that you want
At the end of the game though, you need time to think how many people would miss death ward like the lower-level players probably love it still
I mean they can buy it
That's true
Would it be the axe version? Yeah, you just you get the skill. Oh, well, that's a good question
Should it be this should it be the shard now we get a crazy axe then I'll be a crazy shard
If you could just buy Deathlord and have Voodoo switcheroo from level 6.
I don't know, I mean, you just balance the numbers right?
I really like this idea, I'm going to send an email to Gabe Newell.
Mm-hmm.
3K lead for Nemesis and you can see Lornoff has a diffusel with the haste rune, they will
smoke up, they want to get some action going, I feel like they've been playing a little
little bit passive considering their lineup. They have such aggressive heroes.
If we try to equalize this game, Jackie would be an incredible target.
They pop the dust thinking there's somebody there. Saber-Lite will be the kill.
It's not the blade, they're doing quite a bit of residual damage, but it's going to be a trade for the techies.
Rolling Thunder coming, Jokun's going to get stunned initially, Narmin, a nice old bro.
He's going to get shield catched, still healing up those.
The LSA hits from Obey, losing, or not a whole lot of mana though, is the stampede used in a defensive manner.
I actually have a second idea for which one.
Okay, go ahead.
Quite a melodic was the ulti, and it was really good.
It's kind of boring.
You think so?
Yeah.
It's a pretty cool spell for like comboing with teams and stuff.
Yeah, but that's more high level.
Oh.
alt that's cool
another idea for which time
what if you start at the game with permanent visibility
and then he gets death ward on level five
that's Ricky
great hero, very balanced
out of mana already
these bowling balls
pretty annoying
2004 was a good year for gaming Shannon
The death ward, Ricky.
And that's a dead witch.
All of Warcraft come on, Narmann.
Oh, maybe denies himself.
Surprise even go for it.
Thought he could get away.
Shadowblade on Jackie with the Echo Saber, walking towards a BKB,
and then going blink a little bit later than I'm used to seeing.
So kind of an earlier BKB, I guess.
Um...
I'm trying to think what the most normal build is. I feel like it's a mix between this and then the silver first.
I...
Given the game's day, I kind of would like to see him just grab the silver so he can threaten Windranger before she gets BKB and kind of play ahead of the curve that way.
But I mean at this point he's already committed with the Ogrex so he is going this way.
He can always go S and Y instead.
Yeah.
Everyone's favorite.
I mean Tiny is one of the heroes that actually can...
Those were the day like when he was I guess he's still kind of a carry, but there was a period where he was the carry
Yeah, SNY part of the build very cool. Yeah, it was the facet patch, right?
Don't it was with insurmountable, which is now as innate. I think you would go both and then you had like 50% status for system
That's awesome. It's so broken
So nerf it said deleting. Yeah, well, it's just a name now
Well, that's too much of an error.
Okay, well, you can't have anything.
Nice. Love that little corner there.
That makes no sense.
A big part of playing Pango at a high level is knowing the geometry of that.
100%.
You kind of need a lot of games of experience to just find out where the edge is on.
How many players play with different terrain, would you say, generally?
Oh, that's a good question, actually.
Because I think for Pango, you almost don't want to.
Maybe on some other terrain it's easier to tell with water.
I'll have to put them on the Narmand, that's true, Jackie.
Finds his way over, gets the Adelanch into the top,
we'll get some cover along with the Stampede, they finally kill off Narmand.
Is Larmand gonna live here?
Hookshot in two, saver lights call, likely the death of the Marana.
Oh, 50 HP, so one for one.
He only survived because he got a Lotus in the Lotus Pool.
So close call, but yeah, and something went for it.
Imagine if Narmand had Shard, or if his ult was staying alive for a few seconds longer.
He also would have done a little bit of damage to Pango, which would have killed him too.
That's true.
What is he often to try to get here?
It's going to be first to solo press and then to shard, I guess.
A savorlight jumping in.
How many chops is that?
Three chops now?
Isn't it one?
yep one chop that's right the icon looks it's it's very small yeah between the two
and we established yesterday you have a little bit of ocular issues so that's
right and a little bit of DB yeah our BD yeah exactly dead brain not gonna clip
them though.
5K lead in a very different affair than the first game.
Seems like Nemesis are just calmly playing the map and finding farm on all of their cores,
whereas this time around, the Ventus are struggling to really string things together, much leap
into the cogs.
Alright, Jokum.
And off he goes.
The roundabout way to get out.
I'm telling you.
Kuroki's teams, something about them.
They like to go three games, finally.
That is their go-to.
What do you think Ghost will play in a game three?
I think Windrunner, probably.
What do you think he'll play if Windranger's banned?
I guess Lone Druid, then, in that case.
Okay.
I think they'll find a way to bug out the game
and pick Windranger when it's banned somehow.
That's true, that's possible.
I heard Kuroki has connections.
I've heard everything is possible if you believe in it.
enough you can do anything that's bullshit very inspirational sports star
quote doing something that almost nobody can do just believe more bro it's not
the genetics at all Norman gets the shard from the tormentor that is a huge
boon for him oh boy well moonlight has got plenty of time left on it so he'll
see Jack first. Don't really go for it. Instead, save her light. Shackle not gonna hit. Ow.
Yeah, gotta be careful with that. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Ghosts. Jackie hits
him with the arrow. Oh, that was very close to disaster. Call onto the Marana, she comes
back in for more. It's off the lead.
Jax does hit with the arrow, as Norman Dunn-Takuto's Switcheroo will use it to stay alive.
Power shot a little bit late, and now the toss comes up.
They do get the kill off of Norman eventually, as Savorite comes right back in for the kill
against the chop. Double kill for him. Will drop for it though, but still a 3 for 2 in
favor of Nemesis. Why does nobody ever hold Shadding Quirk?
Jackie hounding Lornoff and then discuss children. There's no way he's still hounding him
But Lena though, it's a different story. I think it's over now is rolling Thunder
For Jackie and once the BKB comes out you're like
All right, essentially forced to be could either that was definitely unnecessary, but he doesn't know
But there's no reinforcements for Pango
So a bit of a mental game there
I
They've mounted a 6k lead so a good game coming out so far from Nemesis. They bounced back from that
Underwhelming performance in game one and they need it because this is an elimination game. Yep
What do you think the win expectancy is of this game right now?
I'm gonna say 65 35
It's 53% for dire
What?
Do you feel that way just trust gaben just trust him. What do you think? I think it's wrong, but
Gaben
He knows
You know something
Okay, goodbye. Yeah, he's online to play in this game. Finally
Start after those two quick death now is on a killing spree
It's often not to finish the kaya part of the ashokaya first because BKB so maybe trying to line up for some specific timing
for the whole team
How do you communicate that as a team I
Uh, I don't know how much...
Did you guys even do this back in the day?
I mean, this is definitely... The game has changed a lot since in the last 10 years with like item overlaps and stuff.
Because I think it was way less inherently natural for heroes to combine timings since the amount of farm and the distribution of farm back then was so different than it wasn't necessarily a thing.
But the way you would communicate it now is, first of all, if you've played this arc, then archetype a lineup and scrims a lot, you kind of have an idea of when you are strong.
strong and then you're building for that moment inherently. But during the game, I would imagine
you just gradually say, hey, I'm this far away from this item, and then someone can be like,
okay, we're close to wait for three PKPs and then go smoke, for example. And then somebody just has
to keep a little bit of overview and it can be anybody and it can be anybody that calls how close
they are to stuff. The thing I have a problem with sometimes in these pro games is when a team
makes a move where it looks like they haven't talked to everyone about it, that is supposed
to be a part of it. So like sometimes we see a smoke when the carry is 300 away from BKB
and I'm just like, why? You clearly haven't communicated this clearly. That's where you
see in something like TI when you get toward the top tier games, there's like a very clear
line in the logic of, okay, we just picked up two or three big items, now we smoke, and
especially a team like Spirit has been very good at finding key moments like that, Joe
Kup.
He did.
See, Monai's Shadow will do the trick.
Yeah, that's interesting.
I never really thought about that, but yeah, it does make sense.
I feel like it's something that's kind of hard to keep track of in a lot of cases as
as well, which makes it even more impressed
for the top teams that are able to,
I mean, yeah, saying, let's wait for three BKBs,
that's a little easier than,
okay, I have Scotty in this amount,
and then I have this item in this amount.
Yeah.
And then changing your item build,
maybe building, like you said, half an item,
to be able to align something bigger
with the rest of the team.
I think something to think about, if you,
oh, hang on, let's see if Omar gets out of this,
he gets a nod.
If you think about any real-life skill,
Like, let's say swimming, right?
When you get better at a skill like that,
or running, or biking, whatever it is,
the better you are, the less brainpower you use
on the mechanics of it, because it's just muscle memory, right?
You just know what you're doing,
you don't need to think about,
oh, I also need to do this and that.
Dota works the same way,
where when people are really high level,
some of the things, I think ghosts might escape this
just narrowly, some of the things at lower level
where people spend maybe a lot of brainpower
thinking about how they're moving around the map or how they're casting their
spells or what items to buy or like am I doing this or that in what order the
more automated it gets the more capacity you have for more complex stuff
right so I think it's only natural that when you get to higher level the
communication and the energy you can actually start focusing on aligning
timings talking about bigger strategic decisions how to counter the enemy
lineup what is our next idea how far behind or ahead do we think we are
Should we buy it damage or tankiness should we you know all those ideas can
Kind of come more naturally when you don't have to think about basic stuff
So yeah, that's
It's pretty evident when you watch high-level players that some things just they don't need to think about how to push waves or stuff like that
You know
Yeah, it's impressive the same extent anyway
That's what a lot of brain rot does to you.
Focus on one thing.
Yeah.
That's why you don't watch anime while you play.
Well, I think Envy used to do that.
Explains a lot, of course.
I remember he would always listen to music while playing pro games, and then there was
a tournament where he was not allowed to use in ears because of the risk of like cheating
or whatever.
was a struggle. Rolling thunder from Jocum.
On to Jocum, rather.
Seems to be the recipient of this very consistently.
Imagine not being able to play a pro game where you have to communicate with your team without being able to listen to music.
Very strange.
Some people just need a little bit of over-spinulation.
I guess when you're the only one talking, it doesn't matter to you.
He never listened to his team. He's listening to the music and telling them what to do.
All big TVs. Hope's not from DM. There's a call from SaberLine. It's not great.
Meanwhile, the boss is getting really low. He's gonna have to BKB in Retreat and I think the fight might just be over for CVS, but I don't know if Lorna forgot that message yet.
The Lena Special. C-Hero sent them back to base, either packing or dead.
Ghost will get to pack this time.
Nobody dies.
But yeah, that could have been an interesting moment for Conventus, but
given that the X just called a Centaur with no game.
No, there's another call.
Same again.
Take your target to LSA with the Maladek. He is melting.
Goodbye.
It's a Centaur with a heart, by the way.
He doesn't feel like it.
I mean, surely this is a game you go pipe, like, come on.
So much magic damage.
On Centaur?
Yeah.
And then you don't scale.
Well, you're dying with heart.
You're also dying there with a pipe.
You die a little less fast.
That's true.
You also die a little less fast with other items.
You want to die less fast there?
I'm such a pipe hater.
Buy a E on disc if you don't want to die there.
It's like the only item in the game I'll save in there.
Maybe be if there was a little overlap.
That's a pretty good arrow, but the heal's coming up from the witch doctor.
And though, looking for a cheeky little steal, maybe?
We'll have vision in three seconds with an arrow.
Jumps in.
Very nice time.
Time's up.
Get Hookshot, though, and Jackie gets the Aegis.
That was actually very cool.
Damn.
But Nemesis, on top of it, 10k lead in the driver's seat.
Got a harpoon for Jackie.
He's looking really good.
AC next on the list.
Finds a little Omar.
Yoink!
Yeah.
This hero has been banned a good amount against Jackie for a reason.
Believe it was banned game one, no?
Not sure
Based on this performance it seems to be a good idea to run it back if given the chance
Lorna you can have an e on this so worried about the burst damage understandable. Yeah, but he could also buy pipe
I'm all right fellas
It's not really a pango item. No, it's also not really a centaur item anymore. It's not really an item
That's a big kill, 75 seconds, huge kill for Nemesis.
And they can do building damage with this Tony.
Oh yeah.
Okay.
The light, they find themselves and Lorna, nice hook stop on to several, this is without
a win run though, you still want to fight apparently.
You're gonna be able to take out the witch doctor, Omar ensures that Lorna's just getting
right clicked down into oblivion.
What was the point of this fight?
Expediting the game.
Well, that's not the Karoke style. I don't know if he's gonna be happy with that. Yeah, they're gonna get a stern talking to after this
guys you could have paid
DMs like should I go in captain? Oh captain. Oh
You'd think
Centaur would do bonus damage when you toss him
That is two units because he's huge. Oh
Tossing Pudge should be a one shot
Just be a gravity coefficient on the spell.
The last good idea was the witch doctor one.
I agree.
Look at this one, it's funny for me.
Like a single person laughed in the world.
I didn't know that.
I don't even have that emotion left.
Laugh is an emotion now.
Apparently.
See, that was funny.
You still have it.
That's good.
got the bd now
if i laugh at you for having bd
is that
shaming
that says that he wants that
offensive
no it's okay
you can laugh at me
i get it
but you have bd do you have anything anyway so
just laugh at me
it's all good
can i trust your judgment on that saber light getting close to the heart now
Now it's offensive.
You can't even trust what I say now.
18k lead with 21 kills. Just a methodical, gradual increase.
Okay, that's a lot of items lining up, but not for the same team, all of them.
Oh, it was for the same team, Crimson and Witchdog.
Okay, so they just got Crimson, AC and Heart at the same time.
All right, let's go it's go time
Jackie it's a mine. There's the initiation arm to ghost again
Dead immediately and just like that the fight's over
Yeah, pops the stampede, but he is stun lock and killed
Delicious horse meat is on the menu boys
That was an outtake from Lord of the Rings
What saying delicious horse meat?
That was an outtake
They ended up with just meets looks like me spec on the menu boys
Although I do like the idea of the orcs thinking the hobbits are horses. I think it's pretty funny
Oh, no, I laughed it's back am I becoming human I am become human
This is gonna be a set of barracks at least it sounds like something in a I would say what are your hobbies?
I like laughing
Laughter is my hobby.
Alright, that's one set, next set.
One, two, three punch, four, five.
What comes next year?
Eight.
That's correct.
We skipped six and seven,
so it took time to react.
Very good.
Yeah.
Good answer.
We're actually going to get two sets here.
Yeah.
Tiny things.
Which Dr. Desperately trying to take a melee bear.
It's going to use a greedy neutral item,
so it does five damage.
Oh, Joe, come.
We're doing a blade,
the least hand though.
So, as the rolling thunder cannot be activated, now it finally does, inside the Cods, we'll go for the TP, should be fine.
But still, two sets of Barracks.
Aegis about to expire, but Nemesis can probably just finish this game pretty shortly.
They need that tier two. Looking for Lornoff maybe.
You know, I mean, honestly, the ghost kill will be the biggest again.
There's a Death Ward, I forgot that was even his ultimate.
Ultimate it went to the siege creeps instead
Useless useless all it matters not 80 sec no
Saved her life at those takes a tumble karaoke says do not gg out or you are kicked
You shall not gg out until the ancient is at 5% HP
Oh Dm has been kicked
As we're going to the game number three. Yeah, this was just very easy for nemesis feel like
the game. It's not
inherently obvious in either
game. Why one team pulls ahead
as much as they do, at least
from a drafting perspective.
There's just these two teams
are not both playing to their
absolute best. And this game
Nemesis has a great game in
game one. It was CBS. So I
feel like Game three could just
be anyone's feedback. It can
second game because it was very different from game one and I think Lacoste you already kind of
you know foreshadowed it by talking about that last pick well maybe win ranger wasn't the best
pick here yeah it felt a little bit forced what she was picked into there's axe as a counter she
deals insane amount of damage to herself back to blade mail a lot of stuns every single hero does
have stun available uh she was dominating the cs chart I don't think they were playing the first
like three four minutes of the lane that well they are playing two melee heroes
however but they managed to get some stacks going they managed to get to
relatively good timing on a blink bag or plus play mill on axe and then they just
hunted them down like you have your off laner you have your safe laner this
time around who wants to play aggressive same goes for the mid laner we said this
type of a draft they need to play aggressive and so they did in this one
yeah I mean they just identified the fact that from lanes they can do things
sure the axe and the clock plane it didn't you know it's not an explosive combo it kind of just
existed but mainly the witch sorts of tiny you know it did its job bottom it stopped the centaur
from just auto-pulleting the entire game preventing this you know brick wall that naturally you play
behind and I just love that the end game items as well on the the witch doctor is like big fan
solar crest he's got the essence ring of course from the neutral item like he was a tanky boy you
You know, he was able to just withstand some of those initiations.
But yeah, Nemesis, heroes I can kill, heroes I can lane, team looks good.
Yeah, it was a lot more smooth.
Of course, the game number one, it did feel like they were all on the same page
and knowing what's what needed to happen in this game without being like
disrespectful to Nemesis.
It's like, this is the simplest fall of Dota, which is like heroes
I can like go smoke, get kill and like there's nothing complicated about these
heroes. You know, it's like these are the type of heroes you want to give like a new
team on the block because they're going to be able to play against any team and if you
get the correct item combinations on your heroes, anything's possible. And like in the
previous game, they just didn't execute on it. It was a bit too hard with the Terriblade,
but with the Tiny added to the mix, it was so much easier because Jackie, it's like,
he has Blink, he has Silver, he's proactive and like, I think this type of team with the
stand-ins, let the players shine on the fact that they can just mechanically kill any player
in the game. Don't over complicate it with like big picture tier one Macrodota. Yes these are the
like he kind of nailed it in this game with standard atomization of course in tiny you can't
really do too many things with this hero but it's all about when he joins and how he's approaching
these fights getting multiple solo pick offs as well and also I think coming into the third game
we are going to be seeing something similar that happened in the second game you did mention that
that Terrablade. It's a little bit slow. I don't want to see these long cooldowns.
I think the heroes that he had quite a lot of success with, you know, Kiz, Luna, Sven,
these type of heroes that joined relatively early on, these are the type of heroes that
I want to see him play in Game 3.
Yeah, I can see a lot of Nemesis even like first phase the Tiny. Let's say, Lina's
band, you take the Tiny, you can flex it to mid to carry until the entire draft. That
is the type of drafting I want to see from Nemesis, where it's like, it's not meta for
other teams, but in your moment, in your like single game to survive this, you know, get
to playoffs, just lock in what you are best at. Don't care about the tournament.
No, and when everything clicks, it does look smooth. For example, a fight that happened
around the 21 minute mark for Nemesis, did feel like everything just moved the way it
should. Yeah, and like prior to this clip, just like 10 seconds earlier, the wind ranger,
she'd used her ultimate on the axe, realized she couldn't take the fight, so she kited
back. You know, she was also like following the tiny, uh, for, you know, some good minutes
and with invisibility trying to like track like can I get this kill and the main thing is in these moments
The Windranger if she goes into witch doctor there was the essence ring
There was the shard he was jumping away
Clockwork was able to conch disengage the tiny doesn't care about focus by any point in the game
The axe had a blade mail and then Lena was playing so far back never really was a main target in the important fights
So I thought I I kind of agree with you. The Windranger pick wasn't oh my god. It's the Windranger is best for the draft
it was more like we're five and one boys let's go six and one baby you know it's kind of like
we're just picking it for the vibes yeah they picked it for the stats yeah as we saw on the
side of Nemesis you don't pick things for the stats because if they did that draft wouldn't
have existed but it did exist and it did win all the stats and all those heroes go up a little bit
so congratulations to them of course they want another win let's see who takes game three and
the playoff slot that is up for grabs after a break.
Your chair evolved this is secret lab Titan
Well...
6.
Nice one.
8.
6.
A little more.
6.
Oh boy.
Up next.
Roads.
ake.
I am.
Six.
A little more.
6.
Six.
Alright.
6.
A little more.
3.
A little more.
A little more.
A little more.
6.
A little more.
6.
6.
6.
A little more.
Or 9.
Or it's just the worst 6.
But it doesn't matter, it's just 9.
I think it's 4.
Because I think for support player it's
just a superior
scenario when you can steal stacks.
Maybe when you're playing some phoenix or
takis, maybe
chen if you have good creeps.
If you have an opportunity to do it.
It's really good to just go take like 5x stack.
I can't go.
If I send niko shaker and you just go and turn him with triangle.
Thank you, guys.
You don't like bad people?
No, I think it's really hard to play a game really fast.
I don't like bad people at all.
I could agree with you, but not in the patch with Gates.
I always give you opportunity to save your mistakes.
I mean, yeah, but it's anyway really costly, I would say, really costly.
It costs 100 gold.
And also a lot of time, a lot of time, a lot of pressure.
I always carry TP to defend Wisdom Run for support.
Don't waste TP to mid.
It's 8.
I think 4.
Because you don't lane against Pudge.
Maybe.
Madness.
When you play position 5, when you play against Pudge, he always hook.
Your carry always gets hooked.
You can't avoid it.
It's inevitable.
And it's also Pudge is like super big save.
He has big, big control.
He can turn.
So in Pudge it's a pretty imba hero.
Of course, imba hero, right?
Yes.
And when you go Siege, hook?
No way, even.
Okay, yeah, then people should not take Pudge in competitive for sure.
Yeah, no 9-class on tournament, it's good.
Yeah, I think 4 is good.
Sometimes Pudge is my game, it's pretty fun.
Sometimes.
You will put more when Pudge from smoke middle hook you first way.
Yeah.
It's a nine after it.
It's a three after it.
I have a man.
I didn't propose to X.
Okay, I have one because I like to play in Haskell.
Last pick?
Yes, last pick and it's not good to play in Haskell.
Bad people.
I don't usually, when I'm playing support and I have to go middle in pubs, I get huskered by enemy mid player.
For example, some people like Queen, like I see how they like to destroy support players at middle,
and they're not even picking fair much up, they're picking husker to destroy you, I feel bad after it.
But it's not usual for me to go middle.
When I play support against Husker, it's kind of okay.
Like I can, for example, you smoke to middle, kill him, or just kill him in game.
I'm not meeting him at middle, so just...
Understandable. I love to play on Husker, so one.
Okay, I will say 9. I will beat Wolf 1x2.
Wolf, so 1 against 5, in lobby. Wolf so hurt him.
If you go against Wolf in real life, I go to 5.
You go first, don't you?
Yeah, I go first.
It's not going to be one of the biggest factors, but you go in, guys follow me, and everybody
checking, what's going on, so go together, you go in, and everybody just runs around.
You gotta have that mid-laner confidence that you can beat anything and anyone that
comes on your path, including a wolf. We want no problem. No problem. And nine,
Lornoff says. He's not aware that the playoffs content is actually bringing the animals into the
next season. Next time. Yes, rather than panting across from him. He's a 10.
Lornoff's potential final. If he doesn't live up to his own words. Lady Gator style. Yeah,
I mean, that would be sick. You know, if you, you know, you're a lifeline in the tournament,
is your mid laner actually, whoof. He can be like an mid one-meat one, but real life wolf,
I don't know about that one.
That'll be a tough one for sure.
Alright, let's focus our attention on Game 3, coming our way.
Everything on the line for this one, because this is for one of these teams,
the final game they will play this season of Volagia.
It is the third game of the series, last day of the group stage,
and playoffs begin tomorrow. Both teams took a game so far.
And I'm wondering if there's one team in particular that has inspired more confidence Lacoste than the other.
I would give a slight edge to Conventus Delarum, but I also want to see something slightly different.
They did play Centaur two times in a row.
It got answered immediately in the second game with the switch doctor pick.
He didn't get too much out of the lane and also Windranger last pick.
So basically their first and last pick did feel a little bit forced to me
So I want to see things that are slightly different
Basically, they had the four out of five same heroes in game number two
Sure, you won the game
But also the other team is also gonna make the adjustments and team nemesis did make the right adjustments for that one
I think nemesis even though they made the right adjustments
I feel like they are a one-dimensional team in how they are able to win out games
I agree and because of that
I think strong drafting teams even if they drop a game to nemesis should be able to overcome their kind of momentum that they might gain within it
Hence why they were able to know they weren't able to be out game a legion even after winning game one
They you know beat one win in game one, but then I should actually beat one win two one
Sorry, I miss read that one, but the point still stands their drafting is
Potentially gonna be there down for the third game. I think Kuroki. He's gonna read this aggression and go, you know what I'm just gonna make
I have all defensive heroes if you run at us, you just die my lanes will be stronger like you will struggle about against it
There's one hero that I want to see. I don't know if Panto plays it
There has been quite a lot of this is something that the end explains a lot
It's been dazzle plus natures profit as a combo basically the old school combo with a lot of units people use this with naga sarin with
PL in the lane
It's very, very good. It's strong. It's speeding up the game during EWC, during TI.
They did pick good amount of Dazzle. So if they want to adjust things around,
I could potentially see this maybe be the route and also Nature's Prophet as a hero.
The Lorinoff already played it from the mid lane. They can use this as a flex because Ghost also does play it.
Yeah. I mean, as much as you're talking about the Dazzle, I think Tiny also saw the hot hero.
like it was second phase picked it was in last phase banned so inverted actually game 2 game 1 there but
still in this game it needs to be respected a lot more i would like to see nemesis first phase if
it's available but then the likes of croaky as you already see here he has looked at this hero and
gone you know what i wouldn't even let you entertain the idea of this hero i just got rid of it
straight away in the first phase including the lina now as well which is another pick that we
We play two games in a row now.
That does mean a couple of the heroes that were banned in the previous two games will
be making it through.
For example, Winter Wyvern is still in the pool.
The big one's Ember Spirit for me.
This year, it's gone, it's so big it's gone.
The hero that has been ignored, which was the Timbersaw, and I'm not expecting, I'm
I'm sorry to rush for the hero, but we had a stellar game earlier in the group stage on the hero
So maybe something to consider later on for nervousness
Again the main theme of this game 3 is
Convent us
If they really want to go for Centaur they can normally they pick it on 9.8
This would be the first time they'd ever first picked the hero of rule
And so I don't see it here. Of course, there would be some instant response on like a lifestealer or something
And the game gets difficult
Winter Wyvern. I don't feel like you can go too wrong with this hero either.
Best five in the in the batch?
Yeah, looks very strong. Even after the nurse, the hero was way too OP.
We did overbuff it, like having overbuff it.
We used her, Geoffrey, to save her in the process.
We as a community, you know, maybe we were saying this hero has not been picked in a very long time.
What's the next batch?
Well, not soon, because we just had one.
Is Underhollow coming back?
It is, it is.
That's cool. I'm happy about that.
to lie on the broadcast. Anyways, Wyvern, nerfs in terms of the HP that you get, especially
early on at level 4, it stayed the same, but it's all about that early level because it
was a little too high. Like having Wyvern in the lane means that enemy can't really
play aggressive, they don't really get the kill because at level 1, level 2, you just
don't have enough damage to go through all that tankiness and this is a bit of a surprising
Even though it has insane win rates so far at Valakia, Brewmaster first phase, I think it's going to give them quite a lot of options to decide how they want to approach this issue.
Yeah, I mean obviously you're going to pick the win range if a ghost first.
Yes, that's it.
Countered.
We did see Brewmaster, his only one loss this tournament was two games ago.
Yeah, he was, yeah, it was say Brewlight, it was him who lost the game.
I I think doom needs to be addressed as well
That's one of the best counters to do master probably is the 12th band
The only band never says I'm available to but I think because why this first phase pick
It's a very strong laner, but it doesn't open the door for offlaners to still find farm right with the arctic burn nerfs
Depending what their carry is your brew masters your enigmas your centaurs like they kind of look at why even though you might annoy me when you
Hit level three, but when I'm like level four or five on my offlaner
I just don't care about you. And that's maybe why Nemesis just promote brumaster towards an instant pick here
It's like after seeing Wyvern they probably think okay
We can't kill the heroes anyway
So we'll just pick something that is good for the game against this hero and it is brew master because brew master is not really a strong
Lainer it doesn't provide you with that much damage early on this. Yeah, but he's just he's just there
Yeah, the previous two games in the second band phase the earth spirit was banned consistently in the previous game
He was also joined with with the OD that we saw be very successful in game one
Both are still in the pool and if you guys are saying well dooms gonna get banned out at least one of them will make it through
Yeah, I'd be I mean they have the pick out of the phase on an emesis
So if they want to take Earth spirit for themselves if it doesn't get banned
This is the hero that
CVS probably wants to get the hands on having the silence having the stun having somebody that can play the map easily
easily, great against the Brewmaster. It just feels very natural pickup for them, I would
say. But then again, you need to start respecting the OD a little bit more. This hero is super
tanky in the first game. We're watching the game. It's just like he has 3000 HP with no
real stat items. Plus also he has this new ability, like newer ability that does give
him shield, which makes him even tankier.
I don't even see...
Nobody's even an Earthwrit player though. I've double checked and he's only played three competitive Earthwrit games
The last time he played it competitively, I say that loosely. It was 10 days ago and I believe a
German national like tier three, tier four league
Where he played for holy based
And he went four and nine on the hero
From from mid lane, so not a good sign, huh? Not a good sign. I actually it might I don't know even it's like a national league
I don't know which one which country it's from but that alone it being that low down on the tears. I am
Skeptical. Yeah, I probably is part of the reason why CVS felt like it was comfortable to let through they've been out of DK
It was followed by a ban on the OD by nemesis themselves leaving that doom that we talked about still in the pool
But it is life-sealer that CVS will prioritize first and if they wanted to they can have life-sealer and
Centaur
Yeah, thanks for the fact that you see the brewmaster like there's no flex in this hero unless there's gonna be like some
You know we're setting the matter today, which we shouldn't be doing
That's why you can't take the life stealer. You let the drop progresses. No fear Nemesis will take the doom unless they're gonna play some carry
We you want like counter-aggression then you kind of have three heroes that do it very nicely through just sustainability
Last of it, if you gank him he'll buy time through rage and fest, spearbreaker with bulldoze, with his planar pocket with a shard
where we'll have to eat some single target spells down the line, currently none really in play as of yet.
But of course winters cast.
They have low damage, but they are going to be very annoying to kill, with all how tanky they can be.
Yeah, it is damage over time, like very slow when it comes down to damage. Same goes for Nemesis so far.
They only have two heroes, but I can already see them prepping for potential Darkseer to come out on 18,
especially if Nemesis, because Lifestealer is gone, which is very good against Darkseer.
Tiny is gone as well, which is another good hero against Darkseer, so I want to see
how they're going to be approaching this issue. I think Sven might be
one of those heroes who have explosive damage. Later on, it does fall off against the Lifestealer,
but you will need to have something. We saw a bit of a... I think Jackie has an interesting hero pool,
heroes that he played, playing this Ursa, you did mention Tamato, who loves to play
the hero, but it just doesn't feel that it might be good for this game.
We're going to bang out Necro, this is the first Necro that Nemesis is going to be playing
so far.
Yeah, then you'd like to think that they're going to keep it between mid to carry, they
don't just sort of lock it into one roll as of yet, but if it is just the carry, when
you see Spiritbrook in the 4 position, he doesn't play pressure in lane.
of wave pulling for he might get level 2 if he gets level 2 advantage on you he might charge and annoy you but
realistically spirit breaker is not picked to auto win lanes
The only caveat is that the doctor that of course mentioned is like the best partnership princess so like he can play the lane
Everything else is there prepping fire. It's they pick techies for this potential
Okay, that's why I'm out on the 18
There's a lot of mini mind games going on right now because you make an illusion out of necrophos
Which is very good you mentioned planar pocket, which is going to be very very good in this game against each side
Yeah, so things though. I've not really seen spirit breaker players like rush it straight away
They've always gone like save strong BQB then go back for it
But if you can't get it early enough
If you just save one core in any like deciding fight around that 20-minute mark 15-minute mark
It is honestly, you know game winning. I think it's very very underrated
Then don't forget you can't eat utility
So if you press it on an enemy hero you stop four stars and glimpses and all this stuff because you will then consume it yourself
So yeah, really have to keep that this hero has quite a high skill ceiling on that one spell everything else
He he ha ha I press you know George
There's one hero Phoenix for DM that could maybe come out it builds into spirit vessel
Unless they want to be picking earth spirit for the mid lane they played it once they lost
But it could also be the off-lane laner
Oh, Lorinoff bringing out the big guns. So what makes this a good sniper game?
Okay, let me be present. Is this a good sniper game?
There's two layers to that question first of all
Does your team have enough front line and protection to ensure your sniper can a click the entire time at the moment?
Yes, they have that
automatically done
Is there any reason for sniper and picking it not really not really
But if you are looking for like blind sniper mid pick, that can play into most of MoMA's
heroes.
I think it's fine, because if you want to put the necro mid, sniper will farm.
If you want some random little jumping based mid laner, sniper will headshot them.
So I feel like it's just kind of preemptively going, try and pick your hero pool.
We already have our sniper here.
Okay, we got a couple of off-laner bands coming out on the side of Nemesis.
They already removed the Centaur, so we will see DM play something different in the series.
On the other side, we are most likely looking for a mid-laner.
They can still flex the Necro potentially.
Not expecting it per se, but we'll see what mobile-
Yeah, I think this is just a safe lane Necro with Clockwork.
They see Spiritbreaker, one of the weaker laners out there.
similar to Nick's assassin position 4, which means that even with the last pick coming
out, I don't think they're going to be able to get this off lane going because you have
one losing lane no matter what.
Yes, if you're going to lose your lane though, and you already know that, you still can go
for the doom on Ventus, you doom Nekro or Pru, you're happy, even if the lane is going
to be rough, you have a spirit breaker in your lane, but if you're already pulling for
minute zero. This is also a very slow lineup from CVS. This is Spiritbreaker, Lifestealer,
Sniper. Sniper depends how much he's going to be able to get out of the lane.
It's a lot. Yeah, a lot. I should have liked this first one.
Then we're on that one. Because pretty much against the Necro techies lane,
or Necro, Plot Clean, whatever it's going to be, most likely the techies,
you just want to either full shove it into your opponent so that it's like,
you push my way right to the shores, or you just accept your fate and just pull everything.
I just don't know if the
Okay, they do ban the Phoenix
He has played it so far in the tournament. So it's still some respect there
Is there a word where you just go like a like a like it or something and then you just pull away the wolves and spraybreaker
Eventually get home lane. Yeah, he's fooled out lane
I thought this needs they need some demaggio. They need some silence. They need to do anything to stun
Yeah, there's a lot of things that I want to I want to do that's number one
I know the lane is difficult, but I think in the game. I would like to see the dude
I think the lane is gonna be difficult no matter what
With the other one that we mentioned immediately so creating an illusion out of this, but it's not a I
Just feel this necro. He gets go shrouded no matter what I see brew master
That can't get the split off because they have no control whatsoever
And in these type of games, they are willing to play a longer type of a game, Necro with the multiple heals, having the Stekies as well, Cogs burning their mana, because these heroes don't have that much mana to start with.
And they also have relatively good gap closing against Sniper.
But the other side there in the fights. I think there's so much defensive capabilities and chaos for Coventus the alarm that
Like the darks is going to hit some two three men back. Q. I'm spirit. Rick is gonna hit a charge
Sure, the brew find the backline, but sniper nowadays you'll have you know the hurricane pipes to shards
There's also your ways to disengage that I think nemesis
They do get this friend to be able to play and just free farm into the Sven
It does push necromancer to the mid lane and I haven't really seen that
I've never seen this matchup.
I'd like to think that
Necro should hit a couple creeps early on.
Slip or eventually hit like level 3-4
and then be able to stand his ground and then bully back the Necro.
Yeah, I want to see Omar
going to the mid lane and try to put a little bit more pressure,
try to surprise him there, maybe get a kill,
try to get this sniper going.
They did swap things around on Nemesis.
They picked Sven, which we also talked about
that it could be very good now,
especially with the Darkshear that did come out
having this overwhelming damage. Looking at the combo from Conventus Stellarum, you did say Vacuum into Charge,
maybe there's going to be Winter's Curse on top of that, but if they're the ones getting the initial jump with Sven with Clockwerk,
I'm a little worried for Conventus Stellarum.
But I'm actually worried for Sven, because if you don't get the jump, you are fighting into a Sven where you're running into BKB-pissing stuns and a Sparebreaker,
the cold embrace to Winter's Curse, I think it supports you, Conventus Stellarum, if they have great positioning,
No matter how well Nemesis is playing, if Jackie ever waits for BKB, and he now is trying to fight with Godstrem,
with no BKB into like Radiance, Lifestealer, who's on top of him, you can't, the one we want him,
Sniper's able to disengage, the Surge as well, I can see the Kiting being a really cool thing to play.
With the Brewmaster being picked up so early, and we did see Savorlife playing in Game 1, and it did not look too hot,
do we feel like this Brewmaster is going to have a lot better game than Game 1?
Especially considering you were picked so early, so potentially he's countered.
As long as he plays through the Necrophos, I think between Sableyte and Murmey, the two stand-ins,
if they're on the same page, I think there's purpose, but if they're not doing the same things together,
not utilizing their heroes, I think they can fall flat quite quickly personally.
Yeah, I do agree. I mean, this is a slower hero. This is not a winning hero in the lane as well,
so I think we're going to be having a slower entry to the game.
Maybe if Spirit Breaker manages to push this aggression to the mid lane, which forces enemy supports to go there as well,
and then the game opens up completely where you have your off-laner,
Brumaster getting some solo XP in one-on-one situation, but it's kind of hard to tell who's going to benefit more.
And with the Spirit Breaker normally, are we expecting active mid game because of the Spirit Breaker?
We better. It'd be disrespectful.
you know, you're not going to
be able to do that. You know,
You know, you're not going to
be able to do that. All the
spirit breaker players out there
if you don't charge and do
something exactly because I
kind of feel like that spirits
sometimes been lacking a little
bit in this year. You can
cancel charge. I know you might
not know that guys, but you
don't always have to connect
on the charge. Hopefully, oh,
monos. I hope he does not
because that means we have a
lot of action coming your way
right now Game three coming to
will be eliminated from the tournament, and I have to say, props to Kuroki. This is a hilarious lineup.
Sniper, Spirit Breaker, Life Seer. This is going to be fun to watch, I think.
Yeah, it's quite an uncharacteristic combination of heroes, right? Obviously Spirit Breaker Dark Seer
is a standard, and you could put Life Seer in there, sure. But then having the mid-laner be
Sniper instead of, say, you know, high-tempo Spirit-type hero with the Dark Seer, or something
like a tiny or pango that they were in last game. This is different. Interestingly enough,
he ends up laning into Necrofos, which I feel like this is a significantly sniper-favored
matchup, and Nemesis chose to lane-swap into that. I hope for their sake that I'm wrong.
If I'm right, I think this is kind of a death sentence to Necro then. Like, why? Was this
that bad of a Necro carry game? I think he's looking? Okay, maybe they're too worried about
getting dove by dark spirit break I know that's intimidating for net crow but
you have clockwork you can cover you you can TP techies and counter dives with
that or go through gate but as it stands it's going to be the Sven bottom they
are giving the best conditions they can in this game to excuse me to Jackie and
he did well on tiny last game it's a similar archetype hero right melee
strength hero that hits really hard and has a stun so he's warmed up in that
Yeah, this mid lane is going to be fascinating.
This is level 1, by the way.
This is when Nekro probably has the easiest time, I would think.
Once that creates level 3, this gets way worse.
Already Moe Bay is, uh, another shrapnel.
Gonna have to skill go shroud on him.
He did skill it already.
Yikes.
That's fine.
I mean, I don't think you get much out of Heartstopper in this lane anyway.
That's true, I guess.
It's kind of whatever.
Now we'll take him has been leveled
Not back up the ghost ride again
Still taking the right place is already pops the fairy fire
Lauren is one of the best players in the world at this hero. So he knows his limits very well
They can always activate take it's gonna be really dirty once he gets headshot. I mean, do you go headshot level three?
I think you go 201 and then you start getting hatched on you know, I would think so maybe he does go a value point now
It's
Fair everything talking about it. Yeah, keep in mind when it comes to sniper his innate keen scope
I was talking to fogged about this
how
this
Second okay, this this obviously it gets you more attack range the further you are from the target
So now that he has a point to take aim he's just he's just giving himself more damage effectively on all last hitting and on all harassment onto the
Necro
And this obviously starts coming into play even further when you get something like a dragon lands and with assassinate
Because the assassin it uses your attack damage plus a bonus amount of damage so the further away they are the more it should deal damage as well
Last off storm hammer combo on mark. He's gonna try to run this guy
Mary does connect, but he does fall to Jackie boy
It's that first blow on the span not too shattery at all for nemesis
Great start for him they did pick him last so looking for some return on investment
DMs able to get off to a better start than last yeah
I think I mean he already is and this lane is also it's way easier to play than what he had to work with before
Nice little shell tech here
I don't remember what the exact aggro range is in Dota if it's 2,000
But you can you can put a shell on the wave and start running away
And they will aggro on you if they can see you even if you're quite far away
This innate is it feels so good, but it goes off. I have to say it's insane quick with us so good
Especially in late-game teamfights when you level up from a kill. Yeah, you just heal like 15 hundred
Okay, we're gonna try to turn this around Narmint
I have the taser though taser is really good against this lane
As long as they're finding farm though, I think Dm will be happy
Yeah, but at the same time CVS, I mean
Darkseer notorious for being able to kind of solo lanes or just go jungle and then you just put an ion shell on spearbreaker
And he's suddenly a huge threat across the map. Yeah, you have options. You can also just farm with it
Give spearbreaker a shell and him and farm a neutral camp
He can be your helm of the dominator until you get helm of the dominator.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
Really good stuff.
Back to the mid lane.
I mean it's pretty close on the CS.
I'm just saying well right now.
Yeah.
This is quite good, I think.
I believe he did have to buy a salve early on, but after that he has bought a bracer to
help him sustain.
It's not a very common item to see on necropos, or I mean sometimes I guess.
This is a hero that can benefit from buying fluffy hats.
You've seen builds with that.
Most notably for me, there's one.
Most notably for me, when Skidder played the safe lane,
he liked to go double fluffy hat and not buy other stuff.
Because the one thing Necro needs more than anything is HP pool
so that he can guarantee that he gets off Goshroud and his heals.
And here's the charge.
Yup.
Clock is here as well.
It's a healer from Clock.
Yeah, nice cover.
Cancel that.
That's great.
So a big thing against Necro, actually,
He's having a hero that doesn't give a lot of stick charges, because he obviously gets added benefit out of them with Ghost Shroud.
Sniper casts a lot of shrapnel. I think Moebase should definitely... Okay, he is curing one up now.
Could have argued for buying that over the hat in that lane, I think.
Ooh, barely tapped. Yeah, that was on the edge.
DM, first death of the game.
Yeah.
Obviously, left alone is Omar.
He's doing well, though. This is fine.
I think you can leave him now, on the Spirit Breaker.
Last time you said that, he TP'd in and died.
Well...
Darkseer's a different beast. Just cut waves, bro.
Just don't lane.
Just cut.
At least Spirit Breaker should feel freed up.
If he sees a good play on the map, he can go for it.
If he doesn't see anything, he can play with the Darkseer and help him farm.
Both options are fine.
Storm Hammer.
How far is it gonna be able to get off the charge?
Don't go to the cocks.
This is very annoying.
He is very awkward and stuck inside the pit.
That is actually a bowling alley right there.
And Jackie, he's got a killing spree already at 5 and a half minutes.
Really impressive.
Six minute power rune is about to come as well.
You'd think Nemesis had the advantage to secure it.
Six is on the mids, so both assassinate and Scythe now unlocked.
It makes it a lot more appealing for either side to really try to activate their mid heroes.
These are mid heroes that are not going to make moves for you.
They want you to come to them or they are going to hit creeps for quite some time.
I'm charged.
Decent pressure.
I think he'll be okay here.
It doesn't seem all that likely, especially when you can't hit your attacks.
Very fun.
Okay.
Playing the odds.
Yeah.
In his favor.
He's got balls, so I'll give him that.
I mean, he had to not evade, and then it had to be a bash.
I think that was a pretty low probability.
Combining both, which would have made it all the more fun if it happened.
Narmin.
There's still pseudo-RNG in the bashings?
Yeah.
I think almost every chance-based ability in the game is pseudo-random by now.
There's gotta be an exception.
Trying to think of what is true random.
There's something, I think.
Even the runes, you could argue, are pseudo-random.
It's random what side they spawn on, but the same one can't spawn twice in a row.
That's also changed
at some point.
What is true random, actually? I always ask these questions that break your brain and then you just go Google it.
Well, neutral camps also can spawn twice in a row, the same one, right? They also changed that at some point.
Normalizing the game, struggling to find a chain, I'll be honest.
I mean, I don't think you can...
Uh, maybe the amount of illusions chaos knight. Was that a thing?
Well, that isn't the thing anymore, right?
No, he always gets three now, but when he got a random amount, that was true random. I'm pretty sure.
So that's pretty sure.
I'll... believe you.
Maybe the stun duration and the of CK stun? I think that might be true. I think Chaos Bolt is true.
Yeah, that's true because it's a huge range, right?
What about attack damage?
Yeah, that's also true. True random and attack damage. Yeah, that's true.
So every hero has true random.
That's right.
No further.
We got it. We figured it out. We cracked the case.
Nice calling.
Yeah, very nice from Joakim.
He's warmed up after game two. Already did well in that one.
looking to continue his dominance on the Clockwork Goblin.
Looks like Saberlight's going for the Orchid again. Very cool. Very good against Lifestealer.
So Saberlight went ag's last game, right? And who was it we saw go Orchid? It was Fade yesterday.
Oh, that's true. It wasn't Saberlight.
But I think two or three Brewmaster games have been played with Orchid.
Very good against lifestealer, very good against Wyvern, and of course against Darksealer, so a lot of upside.
And it's that if you don't go orchid, you're never a threat to lifestealer.
Now, when you unlock that item, you actually become a possible killer of him with any assistance,
so it changes the dynamic of how lifestealer plays the lane quite a lot at that point.
And here it was all about, okay, I'm just going to keep farming waves and you guys can't kill me anyway,
but suddenly having that tool can be very useful.
useful for sure and some I mean it's not it's completely free so if you if you
shut down life stealer you're having a really good time as netizens also forces
him to get manta which is yep you never feel good getting manta on life stealer
even though it's good with radiance rather go for the rather get something
else most of the time yeah we're not great read here yeah save it like wasting
some time did they have a word no they didn't it's just a map read I believe
To pack that brewmaster, stop showing top, Lornoff playing it. Very safe here.
Now it becomes a game of chicken. How long does he think Saberlight wants to wait? No longer.
Alright, Saberlight regretting his decisions now.
That was a lot of wasted time, but at the same time you boxed Sniper out, so kind of both of you got no farm.
farm mobile in the neighborhood okay I want to steal these stacks oh my
yeah he's on all pretty soon here buddy assassinate me right wonder if you could
have he doesn't have a skill oh okay I was like maybe he could have forced a
split but can't do it without the ability oh it goes far pretty well 2.5
K in the bank for that upcoming sacred relic he's 2k behind spin already it's
Sven's on another level, you know.
Well, I'm just saying we've seen some Sven games this tournament where Sven is like fourth or fifth a net worth of 15 minutes
So that's not one of those
He is going to be enormous this game
He has a couple of problems like the panel highlighted spirit breaker and wyvern
I do think Sven can have a good matchup against lifestealer when he's fun enough though
God's friend comes out last off connection another kill for Jackie
He has all of them. Yes, he does
For no what a start for nemesis
Specifically on the chef spin is that the French then I just went
I can't even say like a tongue twister with one word
Maybe that's your BD. Hmm
He's got his Echo Saber mask of madness.
We're going to see how fast this Orchid comes out for Saber, obviously he's been wasting
a little bit of time trying to find a kill, but when he gets it.
Alright, if you don't find kills within it, it feels pretty bad I assume.
I mean, it's yes and no in the sense that it is a good just
Now in the area. Oh Mars probably dead to flock here and take home. Maybe they can talk
Nevermind he's okay, so they're in hold your horses now the cow maybe not so much a nice blast off from Norman
Bolden, Bray is on the lifestealer with the Reaper's side. He's just fine in the fountain.
Kanto dead, Omar as well.
He was not fine.
Nemesis. My goodness, collapsing from all sides.
Yep.
They are winning the early game against Darkseer Spirit Break here.
And you can understand why Conventus are tempted to pick Darkseer 21% win rate or whatever it is at this point.
27 maybe.
It is tempting.
Can't resist it.
I think they do have good heroes with it, but so far a very bad start.
And Sniper's not going to pull you out of this mess, that's the problem.
I kind of like, I liked the Sniper pick and I liked the Darkseer plus Spiritbreaker combo,
but I don't like the combination of everything.
I feel like this lineup is a little bit all over the place, and there's more cohesion
in what Nemesis side are bringing to the table.
So individual performances have to be solid here.
Interesting for Moby, by the way.
A very rare build.
Yeah, no radiance.
Rushing Ewells to deal with Darkseer Spirit Breaker.
Kind of cool.
That's very cool.
It's gonna have to boost the travel here pretty soon.
Curious what he wants to buy after the fact.
I mean, you're not going radiance now, surely, right?
Just like Lotuses, and I think you still go radiance.
You still go radiance?
I would think so.
Okay.
brumester isn't so you just got to have radiance I guess I I just think when
you're running brumester and necro if neither buys radiance it just feels like
wasted efficiency especially when you're winning early I think you can get away
with it now maybe his mind today's well I'm playing mid and I have Sven carry I
don't want to be too greedy but honestly you guys are doing great and you can keep
farming I think it's not really that big of a concern that you're gonna get
rolled. In particular when the mid-error is playing.
Well that is going to feel bad for you, a lot of Jules first.
God's strength again. Omar is going to get saved for the time being, but it looks like both supports from CVS's side might die.
This kind of looks to be next, re-persite, goodbye.
And a tier one tower, Jackie. See this is why I love seeing him more involved with the team and not unsung terribly.
just sits in farms and loses eventually.
Yep.
Very active the last couple of games.
I mean, you might be right.
I hope they might end up not dying Radiance.
He's curing up the shard now.
This hero is just maybe the best Radiance hero in the entire game together with Spectre.
We'll see what he decides after.
If his carry wasn't a mega hard hitter, I think it would be a complete miss to not
I think you can make a case in this game for not buying Radiance
Depending on what it comes up with next it doesn't necessarily feel bad the thing you talked about buying yule's first and then going
Radiance that it feels like a waste because the yule's is just good like its value in this game
It's going to allow him to buy Radiance and not die four times on the way
it offers utility when he tepees into fights and
In his ultimate six lot build in this game. There's probably a wind waker anyway, so he doesn't waste the gold down the line
either I really like this idea of buying the UL's first here but see his line of
thinking shard complete or purchase rather nothing quick buy for now what
else do you buy Shiva yeah Shiva she the heart Shiva heart eggs without radiance
is that a thing I mean maybe why not maybe it's okay he's going consecrated
wraps for now it looks like a full-on full-on lighting
nice shot to the creeps looks to be dead
gos will take he needs extra five hp is it five now the radiance online for him
16 minutes what's that i think it's 10 maybe when you kill a hero
wait where does it say that on feast oh yeah that's right
for hero kill 10 yeah okay massive hp increase
as jackie will be getting a tower by his lonesome and his lead continues to grow there's the
horkin reveal cold embrace is available yeah and he doesn't need to use it does have the
radiance just to make this a little bit more annoying so with the rage we'll get out of the
tp as well and here's spen coming in we'll beat down the wyvern
the reveal not exactly what they had planned but they'll still get a kill anyway
looks like there'll be a support trade across the map though
assassinator long enough with pike into maelstrom pretty standard sometimes you
buy the maelstrom first sometimes you buy the pike first he's gonna buy grenade
after I really miss the magic build from this oh yeah I thought you're gonna say
deso I missed deso yeah deso and sniper no no the magic bill was so
interesting forget what they changed that made that garbage when you say
magic bill do you mean the condo one or yeah that was part of it but it was
doing that before condo as well briefly I believe trying to remember what this
even was I don't remember anymore I mean acts was definitely like one of the first
items you purchase. Yeah.
I felt like he was less one-dimensional now it's just okay you picked a carry in
the mid lane then. Yeah pretty much. Hook shot with the Orchid trying to deal
up with the Infect, but that is a dead Wyvern and now Ghost does not have an
infest to get away so has the rage though. I'm trying to go on top of Saberline.
Nice charge up to two from Omar with a never strike into the assassinates that they've all
run and they've all been throwing alive and that's going to be a kill on to the life stealer.
It's a blast off beautifully done from Karnan on the high ground and then Lorna on the run.
It's a hurricane fight, should be fine.
There's that Yule.
Darkseer, not so much.
We'll go down to the right, picks up Jackie Boy.
It's a four for one.
Sassane not nearly enough to pick up the Sven.
The first couple of kills were without god strength by the way.
used that for the last couple swings on the darkseer and still more than enough damage
and nice healing done there from Moe Bay. I had my doubts about this lane swap. It's
worked out great. Sven is mega far ahead. Your Necro is tied with Sniper. I think that's
fine at 19 minutes, even though Necro is in Torsley and a lane dominator and a very fast
farmer with radiance. Moe Bay is showing a different take on the hero here in this game.
That's very cool.
Assassinate will live.
Rocket Flare, if that would have hit, that might have killed Omar.
It actually would.
For sure.
Save or light.
We'll go for creeps.
Yeah, it's split if they go on him.
I mean, the thing about Necro that I've always loved
is that you can, I mean, one exception to this
is that radiance is basically every game.
But every other item, it feels like you can make an argument
for something else.
There are options.
There are so many builds.
It's almost overwhelming when you're playing, like what do I go for this game?
That's definitely my grasp of the era.
It seems like Hart is his next plant, so he is playing fully into that tank mode.
I have time to get five items and then Radiance as your sixth?
Well, I guess one upside to not buying Radiance is you're not giving a wall illusion, or that we didn't talk about that.
That's kinda nice, I guess.
Neither of them buy that, you make DMs game worse.
I wonder how much of a thought that was, though.
I might have played a role might even be a big part of the decision because he wasn't having a good enough games to absolutely run it
If you like to hear us still farms pretty damn well even without radiance anyway
It does but there is a there is an order of magnitude to this
So like you said consecrated wraps hearts gonna be next
probably aggs after the fact, maybe an upgrade to the ULZ.
Barks here going Shiva.
Gonna go for a smoke here on CVS.
The problem is Sven is, oh, I mean, he's just an item and a half ahead already of Ghost.
So if the fight happens near Jackie and he gets to swing a couple of times, the fight is already done and dusted.
They have to either go on him or be very quick with the Wyver.
They can kill him off. That was a 5 man move though. That's 21 minutes. But they get it.
DM has his Shivas. That's a pretty big power spec for him.
Almost Daedalus on Sven. Almost Daedalus on Sven already. It's 21 minutes.
Yeah, he's filthy rich 70 320 CS minute 21
First blood certain I mean the first four kills of the game or his that helps a lot
Thousand away from the Daedalus
It's gonna get smoked so they're not happy just sitting and farming
So it seems
Yeah, there's no reason to absolutely enforce a defensive play style even though they're doing well like this might as well
But they still get the reefer side now the hookshot onto the life stealer what a disastrous fight for CVS
It's not even close now. They're gonna fight or an all likelihood the end with the Surge away
Was gonna get stunned by the primal split and that's for dead in the blink of an eye nemesis
Absolutely dump stirring right now. They're getting smoked
And actually ends up being a crucial error there from Panto to get cleaved to death on the high ground
Means they don't have access to the curse afterwards and that was very very necessary there
Now it's without Daedalus.
Yeah, it's only going to get worse from here. Let's see the replay.
So how fast did he die?
So Cole Embrace.
Oh, he's staying to attack him.
Ooh, that sucks. I mean, in his defense, that was probably a max range cleave,
but it's a very costly error. Imagine the situation with the curse.
You know, they got a nice back wall, could have maybe killed someone next to Sven.
Instead, you get absolutely nothing.
Assassinate back in live. They're trying to take out Norman. They should be successful with the charge at least something here for a while
10k lead already
That's a shame we never really got to see the CV. I mean not yet at least the CVS lineup
Come together in any way
Let's have a sniper that hasn't really gotten off to a particularly good start
Life stealer we've seen so many times we haven't really seen it.
If that's bomb they haven't really gotten aggressive with the ISL.
Spirit breaker.
Yep, stats don't lie Shane.
Yeah, Darkseer stinks.
Darkseer stinks even more than the two...
Well, I say that, never mind.
He didn't stink more than what I was going to say.
He stinks.
What were you going to say?
No, I was mixing things up in my head.
Don't worry about it, it's over.
Okay, that's the brain damage?
Yep, it's back.
At least it's intermittent for you.
good with some self reflection that's very mature of you I love self-reflection
actually Norman is joking excuse me in position for a hope shot not gonna think
about it just yet my ghost having to go this man ta yeah orchid basically
forcing it which means it's gonna delay his other items that he would normally
want to go for, which it's not an axe apparently, it's an AC. Makes sense against the Sven,
but it's not good against anybody else.
This is okay against the Split. It also helps Sniper. There's some added benefits to putting
minus Armonia on the heroes. I really like that choice. It's just so far behind. I don't
think there's anything wrong with the itemization of the Dire. It's more about the lineup and
the way they've played the game just haven't really worked out shot again
yeah he's good good play sir and another one maybe tomorrow yeah he doesn't have
charge no way out of this one
yep for dinner Norman will be the second place gets the blast
okay it's not bad he is dead assassination so death pulse could have
reached him you might have lived there okay that's a lot of mine hasn't fast
ghosts Jackie's gonna try to connect oh pops the God strings well actually didn't
account for the tagger on Panto there
yes it's good for farming so you know he'll be fine he'll live still three
and a half minutes on ages still feels like yesterday that eternal in we just
started popping god strength just to farm every game and not fight with it for the first
20 minutes, just farm stacks with no Tidehunter.
There's been some very interesting times in Dota.
It's funny how that and the same logic with Phantasm became a thing.
It hadn't been that way for a very long time.
People were like holding those abilities in case of a fight and then ultimately at some
point they realized, well, we're kind of in control of whether we fight or not a lot
of the time. So we can just choose not to and farm more.
Phantom.
Where they are.
Savorite.
This is not necessarily all that great showing your position here because if they get a single
just a blink of an eye, Sven can kill the Wyvern and open the fight completely so they have to be super cautious.
And you can see very timidly running from top to mid, not really grouping up for any
sort of fight out in the open.
It's just too difficult, especially into Techie's mines.
That's an added layer of difficulty here.
CPS looking to potentially defend but it's a tough, tough fight against his Aegis.
His blinks from both sides come to fruition.
Move a heart into Shiva, so he's doing what we expected after the Radiance non-purchase.
smoke from nemesis, they want to probably try to use these asages in some fashion
god strength back up of course for jackie
save her life, find the cow, hookshot will hold them in place with the orchid
it's pretty fast though
might just have to settle for buildings
buildings. Alright, that'll get the cow. Pops a dodge train for him. Hold embrace, delays,
de-manageable. I say that. What, what? Wait, what cancel? Maybe he's creeped out. If he
was charging out, I'm not sure. I do like the choice of not reapering there a lot though.
That was a clean kill, but it's way better to hold the cooldown. The stack is so irrelevant
versus having the ability ready for a follow up fight to push way more threat on the map
by keeping the cooldown intact. Jackie looking but not finding.
Unless he was looking for trees, they found plenty of them.
Dagger now on clock, okay.
More catch as if they didn't have enough already.
So blink clock, blink Sven, blink.
Brewmaster, wouldn't mind seeing a blink on Necro next, honestly, after the Shiva.
I think he can go overwhelming blink this game and it would look really strong
against this type of lineup, just get in there, you know?
The more you need to waddle through shrapnels and stuff, it's just
might as well get up nice close and personal, you're so tanky.
For all intents and purposes, feel a little bit like a checkmate this one, like you're just
mostly the games of this tournament or rather in this series have just been
One team gets ahead, has control, and the other one kind of can't fight back much.
It gets infinitely worse when you're against Techies' mines, then you don't even know where you can go.
So if we're trying to find a solo kill, he's getting charged.
Yeah, but that charge is gonna connect on cogs, so...
Nice placement.
Yeah.
Uh-oh.
Saber-Lite?
Yeah.
What's the Orca-Donta goes, but he got Rage off first.
He already used the Manta.
Oh, nice credit.
Alright, good choice there, Saberlight to crit on that last hit.
Nice escape from Omar, Shadowblade into sneaking behind the back and teeping back.
I think this is just a wait for the next Rosh type of situation and then try to finish the job.
But CVS, do they have a way, I mean they do have shrapnel to give vision in the pit and they have back wall.
Which, I mean, the Svenolution's not crazy.
And in the company they run into this tormentor creature that they forgot existed along with the rest of the pros.
Jackie's gonna connect. Well, awkward. And the Cod kill.
you're talking about awkward times in dota it made me think of I think I've told
you like this huh travels through a necro I like that yeah that's good over
the Shiva's getting this first do you remember a game I don't know if we were
casting I was definitely casting it where black was playing now sorry wait
What is this again? I do remember this story. I don't remember what it was about. He he bought drums
Oh, yeah on Naga side never used to charge. He never used a single charge. They never fought. They got six items
He sold the full charged
Drums to buy something else and then they fought after that's what though that used to be like. That's crazy
Yeah, well you could also argue that's what black used to be like
Not the game, but true Jackie gets a freebie on the spearbreaker. He loved his creeps. He did. I'll tell you that from my own experience
But you want a team of them? Yeah, we played in miles together. Oh, yeah, that's right. It was a big farmer
It was quite the combo having black carry and quick for mid it was we loved creeps
Excuse me quick for offline. I saw him break his arm in a arm wrestling contest for a moon duck event
Yeah, that's character development. He got involved in a fight. That's good. It's on video too. Yeah
Never revealed. Hmm. Pretty crazy
Hope he's doing well
We haven't seen him for a long time now. Good good event
Hope his arm recovered
Maybe got into wrestling. Yeah, that sounds like me. I think if there's anything you get inspired by it's breaking your arm
You're like I want more of this right I can do better. That's brain-manish
Omar back wall onto a couple of heroes we can see Jackie boy looking for more gets the harpoon on the DM
Needs a crit. Yeah, you get no stop. Yes. He doesn't need a full embrace again delays the inevitable. I
I say that, makes it a little awkward actually.
Surge is back up and running, but the rest of the team dying as Saberleid looking to
finish the job onto the sniper.
The hook shot from afar, O'Gorn is dead, but still doesn't have it.
DM did eventually die there, and now I'll buy back onto the spearbreaker.
This is looking very, very done.
But of course, this is an elimination game, so it's the one instance where a Karoke team
Not calling GG Ridaway is understandable.
Not calling GG Ridaway sounds like I should just give up every game after the draft.
Oh, it's an elimination game.
I guess you guys can try to play it out and see how it goes.
Jesus.
This one wasn't pretty though.
You can blame the draft as much as you want.
I feel like it was a combination of multiple factors.
I mean, every game in this series really has been quite a pitiful display from the losing
It's like they lose for a couple of fights, they kind of feel like they can't do anything
they farm, they lose more, they lose more, and then they lose.
Not really all that exciting to see, no real punching back in any of the games.
Is there a critical mass timing though, is the question like, can Conventus get something
going?
solve the problems, because we've, again, to reference this, when you're behind and
you buy tankiness, the game gets really difficult to swing.
The enemy heroes who are winning are inherently getting a lot of stats from leveling up, and
then they're also going to buy tankiness.
You see, the Sven has satanic, and the Necrophos has heart and everything, right?
So in order to turn the game, you need to kill these heroes to get a comeback, but your
You're snipers buying BKB, your life's to the bot Manta, and then AC, like, how do heroes
die in this game?
It's one of those cases where it probably feels really bad, but I think sniper instead
of BKB, it has to just buy Daedalus or something.
Otherwise, this is just a guarantee that it's going to go bad, right?
Yeah, that's true.
Just telling the enemy team, hey, we can't fight you for 20 minutes.
What do you guys want to do?
Well, we want to take every objective and your base.
How about you?
No.
Savor life.
Not going to be in the pit it seems.
There's a bit of a wrap around just from Panto though.
Solo mission for him.
Likely to end in death.
Let's get the blink off when the hookshot finds it.
Hello.
You can re-brow.
Okay.
That is 1.5 times his health that that crit was.
Pretty good, pretty good.
Alright, so they got Aegis again, and Roche Banner on Tiled Bash, or Lifestealer.
Needs to get the hell out of here.
The chase is on though.
Yeah, he's on the side of the spare breaker, gets the charge off.
Oh, that's like that good ol' meme.
There's no time to explain getting here with the space cow.
Did you see the SFM?
Yeah, I did.
That's the best SFM ever made and didn't even get top three in the SFM contest.
That was a travesty.
Good attempt.
Close call.
He's out.
This is going to be important so they have a 1% chance of defending.
What is the percent chance right now?
8?
You're kidding.
Gaben loves Sniper. 8.
Sniper on the high ground.
8% there's no way.
Sniper on high ground.
This is like a 1% at most.
It does feel that way.
Kind of. 1% is very little low, Shannon.
You gotta look at the positives here.
I think Dota plus has a great advantage.
Tell me when you find them.
I think it's a it's what the one expectancy of Dota plus is based on a
survey where they take a center screenshot to a thousand Dota players
across all skill brackets and they say how likely do you think this team is to
win and then it just adds them up and averages them
He's falling down. Can't even get a lowly clockwork. Not looking good for CVS.
They're about to have their last stand in all likelihood.
And there's not much to go outside of your base, because there will be a lot of mines in the triangle.
That is inaccessible. Play the right-hand side here with DM.
It's so weird seeing Darkseer suck almost every game. I can't I cannot believe it
Somewhere lyricals crying it's it's just so weird like clearly
This is a consensus that a lot of the teams had with the heroes so good, but it's just not winning ever almost so
Lift up the sniper with the primal split doing good damage to the building since lifestealer was trying to get through him
Backs away, charge coming out, saver light will back away now.
Look at the range barracks, I mean Jackie focusing on the top.
Ages for two minutes.
Yeah, they'll have another split before ages expire, so...
And they got refreshers.
Yeah, refreshers, so technically they'll have another two.
That's probably when they try to end it.
Crazy this patch.
The world is theirs, they have 90% of the map, yeah, so.
Looking for the Abyss of Blade for Ghosts?
There's no damage, like, are we buying damage on anyone?
Daedalus for Sniper, there it is, it's on the, it's queued up, but it's a ways away.
It had to be that instead of the BKB, I'm sure, it just had to.
The life stealer I see I think is okay. That's like a hybrid. That's at least damage, right?
What?
Yeah, it feels bad he couldn't go for an axe because then he'd want a Daedalus or something to that effect.
I guess you never buy deso on lifesteal anymore.
I do think there's games where it could be good.
I think like armlet deso must be good.
The question is if you can ever buy deso after ratings, I think.
Is that a thing?
Or no.
I doubt that.
Because I have a hard time justifying Deso over radiance on that hero.
Such a big part of its output in fights is just being close to stuff.
So a lot of the time Life through is on a target and then there's like three other heroes
in the vicinity just taking burn damage.
Deso needs to do a lot of damage before that kind of compensates or it needs to be super
important you kill that specific singular target.
Ghost, yeah.
It's a great job.
Well, of course did have a thousand ping that storm hammer might have hit so it's worth a try
Time for us to get the barracks. It looks like that should be a freebie in the meantime. There's a fight going on Jackie
Oh, please go apparently. Well, all right. Well, that's 80 seconds without your life stealing that should be it
That was definitely worth defending for it's
It's what's the word what's what's Richard Lewis's favorite hero?
It's over. Oh, that's right
Store hammer.
Boom!
You can barely reach that spare breaker.
It's lowering off.
Gonna have to walk all the way back to the fountain
and think about his life choices.
Why did I listen to crew?
I would like to think
Lorna suggested the sniper himself.
For sure.
Ancient is both now in last ditch effort from CVS
without their right clicker.
It's lowering off just using the BKB.
You can see the ancient is what they are focusing on now.
Jack, you're just looking to finish it right there, right now.
Gigi's called as Narmin.
Triple kill with Pines.
Triple kill, all right.
And yeah, with that, CDS eliminated here at Malachi at 9.
And Nemesis looking a lot better.
Yeah, it's super cool for Nemesis as well.
Look at them.
Obviously, very, very happy.
We heard the storylines of Mope.
He's only made top eight of this tournament
once in four attempts, I think it was.
this is a team playing with two
standings and they're top eight.
That's great. Thank you,
sender and let's go to Sheaver.
Okay. Thank you very much,
gentlemen. Yeah. A lot of cool
things talk about in regards to
nemesis as they get their play
off a spot. I think the main
thing we want to talk about,
though, is going to be Jackie on
his fan. I think Teg off this
guy had so much fun playing this
one. No, it was just insane.
coached by Kuroki the draft, but then you see a Darkseer, you get a Sven. My
guy's like, free fom, thank you very much, runs around the map, gets the kill,
you'll save Blightland, brewmaster popping off, Yokam on the clockwork, just
hitting Korg off the clock, off the Korg on the spirit breaker, doing absolutely
nothing, the cow will just butch it from like minute two, so yeah Nemesis, they were
just cruising through this game. Yeah, it looked very, very good. I do like the
adjustments that they did make, especially for Jackie, game two, where they were
able to get tiny for him. It got immediately banned in this one. They also make a little bit of a
switcheroo. They do put Moebae on the mid, on this mid Necro, who doesn't do that well.
First two, three levels, but then he hits just Necro and then Jackie, he starts with triple kill.
He's able to like, this was beautiful on Panto, dies to Cleave. I don't know if he expected this
one to happen, just, oh, I just killed a hero. But I also want to go back to like the way they
They drafted the way they itemized as well.
A big fan of this, Yulcifer, that Deco picked up.
It's great against the Darkshear,
it's great against Spiritbreaker as well.
It does allow you to not die immediately
because their damage on Cromentus' alarm
is also very, very slow.
Yeah, I think also just Cromentus in this game three,
they underperformed them so many different roles, right?
It's like Ghost of his lifesteal
was not getting infested off and dying.
You had Panto, where Cursed just didn't reforge,
and PacForged, we've seen Cursed from other players
in this tournament so far.
you can see how much it means to
nemesis and fair play to the
lads again with two standings.
We already mentioned that my
life in his career. He's only
ever made, I think playoffs one
time Atlanta of four in
Valaheus. He's never broken to
top eight. So it's like this is
his best result out of the
lahia. You know, 75% of his
competitive career is at
Valahia. So I mean, you never
died in this game. I mean, we
give a lot of credit to Jackie
and we'll give some more a
little bit. But my way playing
I feel like he you know he got maybe thrown a little bit of a curve ball because we were talking a lot about a necrophose
Maybe going towards a safe lane, but my way played it and it worked out really well
Yeah, yours is the main thing right as you already said it's like if he goes for radiance
This game could probably be very different because you're playing on the back foot. You're waiting
You know in sync with save like he's running through the map and doing everything
But when you see the yours, it's like he knows what he wants to do and of course Jackie
We've already said it like so many times like this then performance
You do it one time and then the rest of the tournament people will think about this then because like this was just an absolute
It's very hard to replicate this and also for Jackie as well. He's probably gonna be like it's not as good as that performance
but
for this one you can't ask for anything better and
I feel like coming into the rest of the tournament into the playoffs with the double Lynn
Having those like second chances while having the second life for Nemesis
I feel like these are the type of heroes that they're gonna be looking into making sure that Jackie's feeling very comfortable because he can definitely carry the team
Yeah, and he feels extra comfortable because he was a roll-ass pick and someone was a roll first pick and therefore maybe might not have felt as comfortable
But it didn't show in Saber light and he is joining us right here. Hello
Welcome back on my panel Saber light. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. I'll give you the left one. I did hurt my finger
Hello, hello. Nice welcome to the panel. What's up guys? It's your boy panelist Saber light back on the panel
I'm excited to be here as a player. Glad to have you. How are you doing?
Yeah, great. Very, very grateful to be here in the first place that Nemesis invited me.
Yeah, I was kind of sad playing Pumps at home, but here we are at Valakia, owning once again,
that's the stuff. You take the original members of the team that they're sweating right now,
seeing the performance from two of the stand-ins, you and Moby? No way, no way. There are the
goals anyways. Like honestly, I don't, I can't really take much credit for this team's success,
because I think they're incredible, like all of the players, I mean you saw it, Jackie
is a piece, that guy carries me every single game, he plays, timing is like 18 an hour
or something shit, on Sven the same, yeah, I mean and the supports are also incredible,
like I have not been gated to this much in my life, in my life, I swear to God, Aiden
would never gait Insania and then on my VP team it was even worse, I was left to the
dogs. So this was a nice change. I'm wondering, because if you're coming in as a stand-in, do you
have any goals you set for yourself or expectations that you want to reach with the team? The goal
is to to Aura farm a little bit, get a good placement for the team obviously, but also for
myself. Because yeah, I mean going into this season I feel like I couldn't really find a team,
And I have a suspicion that people just kind of thought that I'm bad, so I came here with a revenge.
Yeah, a lot to prove. Do you feel this post-TI season is a little different compared to the other ones?
Do you feel like it's a little bit more chaotic and slow compared to other ones?
Yeah, it does feel like that. It might have been because of Falcons' disbanding and those guys kind of dissolving into other teams.
And everyone wanted to poach them and then it messed up with the other plans?
Yeah, it's I don't know this season feels weird for for many reasons. So
That's how I felt as well. It felt like there's not much going on
You saw a couple of roster changes here and there but I haven't really seen
Many twitter posts like they never know. Oh, gee. They're also planning something as well big for today. I believe
Today I believe so very specific
Oh, yeah, you introduce yourself as panelist Saberlein
Would you say that paneling at ti and in general made you a better or a worse player?
I would say a better player, because it was like an experience to add throughout my career.
I think above all else, it kind of reminded me that I really enjoy playing and that when...
Oh, I said everything!
Let's unpack that a little bit further.
Is that because you use for panelling, you know?
Let's go a bit deeper into the game.
I don't know, it's just not for everyone.
Right here!
like I'm watching the games and I'm talking about them I have to be nice about the players but then
you know I'm just thinking damn I just wish I was in that game clicking buttons instead
but no obviously paneling it here was was a great honor and I had a good time there but
being a player is still even more invigorating and now you can spam your own voiceline that's
right that's right at TI I had to convince other people to like use it on my behalf
Yeah, but here I just spent but now people can't buy it anymore. So what's even the point?
Yeah, but we heard you that you earned a lot of money that you're like in top 300
Coming to the bank account yet, it's I see it's pending. Yeah
Well, I wish but maybe next next season when I
Know it's fine, it's it will be for the team bundle
I was scared you were like downplaying yourself, come on.
Me too before the half a milli from the voice line.
I don't know, that's a bit convincing.
No, but yeah, I have some lines cooked up for next year.
Hopefully those sell as well as this year.
As a player bundle.
Yeah, of course.
Say a bundle.
Yes.
I do have one last question.
In game one, it felt like you were struggling to kind of connect your
cores to make moves, but in game two and three, it was like beautiful.
How quickly it happened?
What was the biggest change you made from Game 1 to 2 and 3, to be able to achieve that aggression?
So the Game 1 reminded me of our Game 1 against 1-win, where it felt like...
I mean, overall, this tournament feels like we are a really good team, like surprisingly good.
I cannot believe how well we're playing some of these games, especially the ones we win.
But then sometimes it kind of doesn't line up with our heroes, and it feels hard to make moves.
So in game one, we just don't have a way to start the fight.
Like it's only me on the brumaster,
like blinking in and using split,
but then they just kite with some speed.
So it just feels really, really hard to do stuff.
But then now we had Jackie on the stunner
and you see how that ended up.
And it was very solid.
I will have to say in most of your series
that you played this tournament so far,
have gone a distance, have gone all three games.
What is the thing that you feel like has been lacking
like the common denominator for making that the case?
Um, I mean, to be fair, the other teams that we've played have been very strong as well.
Like, I don't think we can really expect to, to all one win or even game religion.
They're like, they're very solid teams.
So sometimes it lines up and sometimes, you know, it lines up for them.
And now it's more practice as well with, with, even with the standards.
So you've got to get as many games in as possible so you can, you can grow together.
That's true.
That's true.
Yeah, it's good.
Well, part of the plan.
Congratulations on playoffs.
Very cool.
Looking forward to seeing Nemesis play there.
Thank you for being a panelist for a short period of time.
Yeah, me too.
It's been real.
Thank you.
Thank you very much, panelist.
Thank you.
Thank you, panelist.
It's going to make it real now.
I'm going to win the tournament.
You're on the flippity-flop, I guess.
Bye.
Adios.
We are going to move on because there's one more team that needs to be having a playoff
spot.
Will it be Maus?
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that is going to be a newly built team. Is it going to be mouse? Is it going to be LGD?
And that's what we are going to find out. Both of these teams, fresh roster from the start of this
season. So you'd think maybe they're on the same level, but I think maybe there's one team that
we have a little bit more expectations of talking about LGD in this case Lacoste, because I feel
like this is gathering of players that we would expect to have a pretty high baseline, but they
they have not yet shown that. Yeah, absolutely. It still feels like they need that sauce that
something is missing. They need that extra bit of oomph to be able to play against the best teams
right now. Sometimes we are seeing a bit of a misplay coming on from the safe lane. Sometimes
it's the off lane issue, but it does feel like something is lacking. Maybe it's the new team
and sometimes the honeymoon doesn't come straight after it's formed. So we'll have to see. A lot of
problems that we have seen so far at Valakia, but this is not going to be like the easiest
matchup for them, Maus. They are also looking very strong, but they also beat the teams that
might have not been doing so hot. They beat... Pibbles? Yep. Pibbles! So cori. Sorry. That's
so good. LGD, because obviously both teams here are 2-2 in the groups. LGD has beaten Yakult,
and for some reason I wrote down LGD, which... They beat themselves, yeah.
I forgot who they had a 2-0 with.
A two-word game, a legion, but for me, just LGD, it's, I think, a matter of maybe even respect.
I think they respect each other too much in regards to, like, wits during the roster of Snake King,
you have then, like, the vibe with, like, it just feels like they're not playing their games
and why we enjoyed their dota in this pre-Ti season, Ti season. It was just kind of like,
on this team, they're like, holding themselves back for some reason. And there's something
that they'll be unpacked at
some point, but yeah, it just
feels a little weird that this
team isn't doing so well. Yeah,
we definitely have high bar set
for them. That's for sure on
the side of mouse. Maybe the
bar is a little bit less high
because all the players that
are playing for the squad, you
know, their history isn't as
decorated as the history of
players for LGD, but a good
basis for any team that is
fresh starts with the macro
gameplay, and I think if we are
I think you you have got a good read on that. Yeah, it's been like that ever since mouse as a team has
Came back into the scene with the same coach that they have this team has had a bit of a different approach
This is how they won one of the blocky as as well
And if you look at the number of stacks per game, they are almost the last team
So they're not focusing on the stacks or focusing heavily on the lanes and making the plays on the map comes
In contrast to LGD gaming who is a bit more methodical team
You know that there's going to be a lot of stacking and if you look at the average win duration, especially for mouse
It's go go go. It's pretty much 32 minutes for LGD. It's 38 average minute on
On their wins, but it does feel like they will need to go kind of all in and if they miss that window
Mouse they tend to lose the games. That's kind of always been the product of mouse teams
Yes, we have a multi-faith coaching them over multiple years now a couple years at least
it always feels like you need like this Beastmaster, this Enigma, this like clear a piece of the puzzle that you amplify
And if you don't have that they do crumble under like late game scrutiny
How how good are your players and to be fair?
I think his project in Dota is harder than most because he's always had to build roster that have European players
But aren't on the tier one teams. Yes, that might be on the tier two
Yeah, it's like mostly rejects players that don't get picked up by tier one organization
so he has to build it from the scratch.
A lot of the times it does need slightly more time
because you have to cycle a couple of players as well.
And we do have the draft ready
and seeing some of the bands as well with us.
We did have the graphic the other day that, you know,
he might be slightly late to the party playing this loan druid,
but it's never too late,
considering that the hero is still super strong.
I believe he was still undefeated on the hero
in his professional career.
So no no real surprise that most decided to ban it out. I have no idea how good mouse is bounty hunter is
But I'm down to call the bluff the LGD can't play after we saw them play bounty hunter the other day
It just didn't feel as impactful as other players feel a core
Unfortunately, it wasn't able to maintain like the low-deaf bounty that has immaculate vision and kind of macro
So yeah mouse, they are calling the bluff
It's like get through the for the band phase and
Let's see if I would do you wants to try it run it back. It didn't look too hot
That's for sure and that's tend to be that way when bounty hunter is in a losing game
You kind of switch to just soaking up all the gangs and maybe killing some careers
And then you end up the game with zero 15 trying to amplify some of the damage for the team
But it's just not happening and LGD. They will give priority to this Earth spirit, which I would definitely agree
with considering the performances that they had in that bounty.
No, I like it a lot, but it does open up for like a doom response in the off lane, one of the better counters.
Yep, well there we go.
Actually, question.
It's not frequent that we see Houdwink be moved up to priority in terms of a first phase ban.
It's a hero that we see so frequently because it doesn't have that high priority. Why here? Why this series?
It could just be a respect towards Morellus, right? He's only played four heroes, four ranged heroes specifically, and of the four, Hoodwink is the most stable willow you could argue is equal.
So maybe it's just a respect thing, it's like, please try and play your Rubik, your winrangers, but yeah, maybe something to maybe bring back into conversation later in the draft where it's like, did you need to ban the Hoodwink?
Like, is there really any big purpose other than respect?
Well, we got the willow is still banned out as well together with the OD in the second
phase here.
So this is now kind of how your question evolves a bit where it's like you pick us for it,
you know they're probably going to pick doom, you've already previously taken hoodwink,
then you ban willow, you are really forcing Rallos into a kind of a difficult fall position
spot.
Uncomfortable position potentially.
Potentially.
Yeah.
And moves.
as well has very low hero pool like it's only four heroes as well but some of these heroes have
been banned out the one that stands out the most is winter wyvern that gives you good laning stage
not so potent against earthwrit and the game he can easily close the gap spirit vessel by your
insane amount of magic damage so your heal isn't going to be doing as much but they will have to
decide like he's also which doctor player and the dazzle player which i would be okay with if
If 4-2-3 wants to play that nations profit, that we've seen the combination between these
two heroes, because when somebody will need to, you know, maybe give it a bit more go,
have something speedier, considering that Doom does tend to be slightly slower, and
they will take the Windranger for themselves.
Yeah, the Targon Rallies is back, so you know what, if you pick my hero please, they're
going to keep pick banning, and I'll have nothing left.
Yeah, that is still the boundary on the back as well.
It is really cool though, when you see a graphic like that about the hero and you just see it in like all three core roles.
Who played it off?
PMA for Narvee.
Narvee.
Narvee.
Narvee played it.
No, Narvee.
There we go.
Into the Viper.
So far our mouse has only played it once in Morales on the position 4.
So that's cool, either way.
that maybe lgd feels comfortable enough to let their safe lane considering they know what
wits and snake king will lane in. I like this a lot. This is a lot of damage on the ground.
Like you enter a fight and there's going to be some bombs tombstone like random decay hits,
magnetize going to spread spirit vessel damage. It just feels like in a longer fight you are
losing these fights. I mean interdume as well just being able to hide inside the tombstone.
As long as you don't miss click jump back out like we saw earlier today, it is very very good.
And I think for LGD, one of our critiques was they were struggling to show how to
utilize their players within the draft. And Earthworm is so good that Sumo can go you know what
I will soak up the first phase, Divai gets more information, he gets a later pick. Again I think
yesterday it would have been like they tried to do Divai in the first phase which can work
but didn't. So now they're going back to divide C4 heroes, hopefully your lane, then we'll pick
your hero. Yeah, I think Centaur definitely comes to my mind. You have Doom on one side,
this Windranger can be potentially carry as well. 4-2-3 still hasn't played it as a carry,
but just in case it's a hero that does extremely well throughout the game, never gets focused
fire pretty much because Windranger would just die to it to retaliate damage. Then give me the
the witch doctor to pray him to be then throw me the doctor put some melodic on that I'm
okay with that I mean he is one of the few ones who loves to play it and he played it
multiple times they've been right and doesn't do him any justice he did win one out of four games
it is worrying me that soon I was talking like where's this earth spirit going all right brother
your hero's picked let's should we still respect the option of having to start having the undying
going off lane? It's 0-5 in the tournament and I don't think I want to see it off lane.
No, it's just a no. Everything it can do in off lane, it can do as a 5 and in this game I see it
because you want to try and shut down the doom lane and you want to save with shard. I don't think
you need to promote it to core. 5 seconds remaining. Also divide on dying, I don't think that's a
a combo I've never seen.
It doesn't strike me as his hero.
It's going to be clinks.
I'm a big fan.
If we're talking about like more stuff on the ground,
agonimceptor clinks, this is just going to be very chaotic.
Like this, this, this, which doctor post laning stage
just dies for random crap that is on the ground?
Like, I don't think he gets to play the game.
Yeah, you've got stones flying left and right,
tombstones, zombies, bombs and arrows and little scouts and dude.
Yeah, lucky the PCs here at PGL are immaculate. There'll be no FPS drops. They weren't struggle
But if this was a pub and we're playing at home
All right, let's see what's coming our way then for the last two picks
It looks like we still need a hero for the vine on the side of LGD
They are the team that has to pick out of this band phase and then overall last pick will go to the side of miles
which most likely will be a hero for 4-3, but as mentioned the Windranger could still be flexed.
Yeah, I was kind of hoping for, we already spoke about Centaur, I think that's like a reliable pick,
even the Timbersaw to follow, but outside of Pango, like the Lichens and Beast Masters
could be quite obnoxious in this game, but you should more.
Yeah, they were giving more than random stuff, yeah, they were giving me some of the Dominator
on top of that to make them suffer even more.
It's like one of the better counters to Doom is playing on pace, taking on objectives.
and like Wind and Witch up to supports, they need to be the ones running into the map,
smoking themselves going for kills. So if you want to have them to like run to a tower,
where the tombs are down, all this mess that we've mentioned multiple times now, it's like,
it's just weird to have to play defensive into this stuff. You want to try and force it out,
disengage, and it wants some cool down, then you run back and fight again. So yeah,
I'd love to see a bit of tempo from Divy on your flame.
I mean there's Darkseer, there's Centaur, even Axe can work, all these heroes that jungle
really well, that can creepscape, you are playing against Witch Doctor.
If he had a different 4, I'd say that maybe there would be a chance that he picks a ranged
offlaner, but these would be my big 3, one gets banned out.
And Davai hasn't really played ranged offlaners.
played Necro, but there is Doom on the other side, so that's a no-go.
There was a hero that lain well against the witch doctor earlier on in this tournament.
LeeJoon, come on.
Any chance?
I don't think I've ever seen the Viper that hero.
That's too bad.
Yeah, Axis stable. He's already mentioned the creep skipping capabilities.
When you look at the first four heroes, the tempo that I wanted from the zoo heroes,
it would mean that your lockdown is a lot lower.
So it could be a bit more volatile for this team.
So taking an axe, it reduces that volatility.
You can play a bit more of a combat game.
You're also protecting yourself against the potential kez or whatever.
I'm down for some like Sven just bang it out.
Like we've seen in the previous game what Sven can do.
You're playing against axe, you're playing against the Klink.
High armor is going to be very valuable for the rest of the team as well.
Just to bust it up.
I'm thinking like he can kill the tombstone sure like he's good at stacking the damage and some of these heroes as well
Does have something in the lane does have heal
I think Ursa is only playable if you have either wyvern warlock or witch doctor in the lane because at level one level two
Even level three you're getting harassed so much. You just don't feel like you're a hero
I am really interested to see how LGD has kind of prepared in like in laning phase practice the 2v2 is like
If you're against witch not to pass really aggressive carry
What is like the defense mechanism here?
Like are you pulling the wave do you find a way to like kill the witch doctor when he steps up too far because this is a
Type of lane that I also could just be like for an Owen and he runs away with a game
Or is it I never got any kills where actually having a decent game
Why did I pick Ursa so the lanes are really important? I think it's also Ursa into Tiki's
He gets one blast off taser. It's such a valuable item against there
So first of all he gets disarmed. Yes overpower gets dispelled
And if you don't have overpower you don't get to play the game because you you don't have the damage
I think in these first couple of levels Urs is just gonna suffer
Quite heavily and then we have the other lane where you have undying plus clings
Which is also a very obnoxious lane for boom to play into which I feel just by having these picks LGD
wins at least two lanes by default? No for sure and then you pair that with Earth for making the
rotations to even put that even further into problems for mouse it's like yeah the lanes if
they don't go correctly for them the comeback is difficult. Earth's a doom of very farm heavy
side lanes and Pangu can't do everything by himself and maybe that's why they pushed the
Mirenizant of the four-piston one ranger because Winningdon doesn't want to play a stable game like
she wants to play like behind some pocket of aggression, throw some spells out so yeah I'm
really looking at the side lanes to find a way to get through them on the final mouse.
a little correction over there. There is still a witch doctor so as a melee offlaner it's going to be
quite annoying for him to play as well but I think Tiki's can't trade battle hunger on him as well
which does relieve some pressure on her so I want to see like that lane is going to be my go to
to see how much he's going to be able to get out of it. Don't level over pal just go for max jump
just keep jumping. We're going to find out because best of three will be played inside which one
of these two teams will go to the playoffs. Let's see which team has the better start of it with
Ody Pixel and Fogged. Thank you very much Eva, yes. I can see how this one plays out. That last
pick Ursa coming through, some of them we haven't really seen a huge amount of, but we have seen
it do well. Do you sort of see why they ended with that here, Fogged? Or do you have doubts about
the carry being the Ursa here in this situation? I'm not sure why it's the, because I can't see
the reason why it's like the actual best pick for them here, because like there still was quite a
a bit of other heroes left for them, but perhaps it is just about they want to come out and just be
very hard for skirmishing. They wanted something that secures them the Roshan,
you know, something these early objectives, but I really like what LGD has this game on.
It looks very strong, covers all the bases, lanes look strong, teamfight looks strong.
We just have to see LGD play a bit better. Exactly. It was no problem. They were just all over the
place. You know, I critiqued about some of the itemization from the techies in particular. I want
I want to see Theo, you know, I want to see some like you all distiller.
I don't want to see these octeree.
That's true.
We have got him on it again.
So it will be interesting to see what the build is because there's a large
chance, right, that it also went that way yesterday because the game was
already falling apart.
Right.
He's kind of like this game is kind of tough.
I've got to go this octeree rush to try and prolong the game.
So yeah, we're interested.
We'll sort of build up a few of the core wants to go today in this one.
It's a small nip pick.
And then also the other thing would be, I just want to see which play better.
I think he had a rough day.
I can get involved, bro.
And you can do that on a clean try.
You can.
And I want to see him play super active.
And they showed on paper, looking at the lanes, right?
These lanes should be very good for the side of LGD.
The mid lane, the airspirit.
We've seen this matchup versus the pango.
Quite a lot skill matchup.
But we see the airspirit's pull slightly ahead.
Axe techies versus Ursa.
This one is probably the more volatile one.
Bottom, though, should be pretty free.
Cleanse and dying versus the doom plus the winranger.
They're going to be able to get fantastic trades.
So I really do like what they have.
However, on mouse, what they do have going for themselves
very good early skirmishing if they do well in their lanes.
So I think that's the key to look at for them.
Absolutely.
And that's another thing as well
when you consider this matchup.
Coming into this tournament,
you would expect LGD with their lineup
to easily be the favorites in this sort of matchup.
But the truth is, you know,
Miles, they've come up with some pretty impressive showings,
even managing to take a game off Yandex
right earlier in the tournament.
So absolutely no push over at all.
And yeah, from what we saw from LGD yesterday,
The mouse might be a little bit of a challenge for them.
So, we'll see how this one plays out.
And you'll see how these lanes do go.
In particular, I think, Dio,
I'm expecting a much better game from him, too,
because playing versus the Ursa,
it's just natural as the techies to be able to counter him.
Yeah, Taser is just,
honestly, it's a very good Taser game.
Playing versus even win ranger support,
you've got things to dispel Ursa,
you dispel plus disarm versus the overpower.
It is pretty hard to play Ursa, I would say,
in this game overall.
That's why I'm kind of shocked why it was fully picked,
but we'll see how comfortable 4-2-3 is
as the game does go on.
And now, sort of the bottom lane going to look,
because we have the Doom for Boom.
That came out as the first pick, right, this draft.
Has that, you know, do sort of CLGD's line of
react to that in terms of what they picked?
You know, did they go for sort of the heroes that don't care about the Doom?
Yep, I would say so.
Yeah, they have the Undying, so they can Tombstone save the Doom target,
show you can't heal him, but you have ways to reset and get away.
The lane is just very strong.
Clinkz plus the undying versus these two the only way that mouse can do well down
years of pulling the lane you can't play the lane honestly
and obviously undying you know we've seen an off-flame we've seen a myth we've
seen a support is this the bet what's your preferred position from what we've
seen in terms of the ways to play the undying right now five it's five some
games you can still flex it to the three-row I think it does have that but
hey nobby showed that you can also I mean they did that's good that game
That was a pretty hype showing in deep of the mid-air.
It can work in all roles, but definitely with varying success rates as some of the other positions haven't been too high on the win rate.
Boom. Taking quite a lot of damage. Your snaking is still only level 1, but you should be just fine.
And who's going to... Oh, so Tombstone in particular, right? In this game.
It's not the easiest game to kill Tombstone again. We've seen quite a lot of those.
Sure, Windranger can sort of in a way, but sometimes it can be a bit dangerous for you to do so,
and Ursa doesn't want to use his Overpower on it.
Maybe he might have to in some fights as, boom.
Pretty dead. All right, first blood for Wits.
I mean, Morales has to be cautious, does have the Windrun.
I mean, Snake's got another mango, he still has a skill point save too,
so he can't just go for the solar play if he wants to.
I mean, this is a very chill start for Wits here in the safe lane.
He might okay, I was gonna say might just be able to find another one
It looks like a really good clink setup game as long as he doesn't get gone on top of which there are ways to do it
Right with the hang on the earth set it looks really strong this game the summons in particular can be devastating for something like the pango
I'm gonna see what he does with it right because yesterday
I think some of those cares games right he also got a good start
Yeah, the game just didn't go much, you know didn't go many places after that
In terms of where you know to take it
I think he just, I don't know, there's something shaky, because pre-Ti, which was, honestly, I was looking at him, I was like, damn, this guy's definitely gonna get picked up by a team, because he looks super comfortable.
There's just something in these last few days that he's looked a bit shaky, so I just want to see him perform better, because he's playing a good hero in this game.
Yeah, and he's having a great start, and down on the same flank.
And natural build up this game, right?
Deso, Shard, Aghanim is pretty incredible this game, if he does want to go down that route.
Playing versus the Eris, then playing versus the Pango, Theo, and Moose, they're trading.
I think the air should be fine.
Yep.
Malaga to the moment, not enough to kill him.
Pops the fairy fire midair, doesn't sure that he survives.
Sumail is doing, I mean, he's smashing this match.
He really is.
We've seen some people in the pangos do a little better, but not this one, 25-8-17-1.
It is a big base damage advantage for the Ceryspirae.
I have to be careful now, Supreme.
And look at, Sumail's got a bludgeoning.
He might go for some solo play.
And this is absolutely kill potential, but yeah, Supreme's got to be super cautious now.
with the way that someone else got that early lead.
Yeah, just continue. I really like the lane startups as we kind of anticipated from looking at them.
I mean, look at the lane already.
Yeah, that's quite the number here to see 4 minutes in.
And even though, so I think the concept of the Ursa was, we're versus Axe Knight Witch Doctor,
I hope to shut him down in lane. It's not happening at all.
Oh, my God.
A lot of damage there to 4-2-3 catching him and calling and getting a few spins off.
It just looks, I don't know, it looks like a hard Ursa game to me.
Just continue to look at things. There's silences.
There's tasers. There's elusive heroes. There's an axe call.
Yeah. I mean, yeah, there's five minutes in.
I don't think LGD could have wanted more from their lanes.
Witt should be alright, yeah. He's got stick charge and verify it.
I am going to try and chase him down.
We'll be able to get a bit of a heal off.
And he's fine. Living on the edge.
But they won't quite be able to finish him off.
Power shot.
I didn't want to try for it, I mean they're trying to look for an angle maybe.
You gotta give it a shot right, level one not gonna be enough now.
No it's not enough.
Yeah.
So which will be fine, but yeah, all three lanes, they're gonna be happy with this sort
of stuff.
So let's say, other days we've seen them have a good opening and slipped away from them.
Today a fantastic, or at least a fantastic opener and around the power ruin, Sumel's
already 6th, Supreme not quite there yet, so Magnetize is at the ready, if he wants
skill it he doesn't skill it because he wants to secure the rune. It actually spawns top as he
rolls bottom to prevent supreme, so Theo's just gonna have to take the rune.
My bottom lane waits. This ton doesn't have as much to save him. Constantly being kept very low by
the turrets, he's living in pretty risky territory down here. Anybody got a salve or something to
bring? Now he's snaking might have to, you know play that snaking could do here, he's actually
could die, force to cease the surge, right, and then bring some regen down here. I think I would
even like to see something like that, because I don't want to see... I mean, Wits could just die
at any second. I mean, if they snipe Wits, yeah, that's... it's gonna kind of get this lane in
a bit of a better situation again for Boom. So close. Smells coming down, looking to break that.
Maybe even looking to contest the wisdom here, even though they're very low.
to the
other power shot which will do to
the minute is going to be a few word
but they might be able to protect that you would seven minutes
they're bringing the which the
bit of a tough spot does have to TP. They don't have anything to stop it. So we'll at least be able to bail out of that one.
Miles, sure they lose too, but they do kill some men in return, and they do manage to keep that shrine of wisdom under their control.
Pretty even kind of exchange coming out here, right? Because it's two heroes that drop, but it's a pang overall used to at least get their wisdom.
So I think they're happy, but I think LGD is also like, you know what, that was still pretty okay for us too.
It survives, keeps these out. We get the wisdom ourselves, and our axe is in an incredible position, even though he was
quote-unquote counterpicked right because it was the Ursa witch doctor to deal
with and shut down this Ursa or this axe early, Divy is getting away with it.
Having a very relaxed time top. It's not gonna be easy for 4-2-3 to...
So stick around if the plus one gank comes in to help Divy out. Could look for
kills against this Ursa. Power of rune tops, we'll be able to grab this one.
Yeah I would say the kill threat on the Ursa it's always there right the silence
that can come in from Sumail from a tree line?
Absolutely, yeah.
Either sort of techies or the air spirit, and you're going for a kill on this air, sir.
Well, for hunting the Klinks, I would say quite a bit harder, right?
They don't have the easiest gap close.
Yes, yes, kind of the rolling thunder coming from the...
Sort of across the trees, setting up for the doom to close the gap.
Until they get a blink or something, definitely harder to find.
Is she gonna be miles making the hit first?
He's gonna go immediately for the TP out, but the damage is far too much with the swipes and the maledict.
So now Deb without a TP...
That's rough, I mean, and then that came as well at a moment where it did look like LGD were considering bringing either some male or Fioricoa up to the top lane.
They didn't, Maus did bring a plus one, and it's gonna hurt the Vi big time.
Yeah, I guess Theo was more focused on just getting the stacks, but he has Taser up there every time with the Vi. The Vi will survive.
Yeah, plus one might have gone a long way there for LGD, but...
And he missed both.
Didn't happen.
Well, one flopped, but he missed the other one.
Oh, whoopsie.
Placed a time there.
Boom.
I'm not going to be able to stick around for this Lotus.
Against the two of them.
Well, I mean, that was a pretty big sequence there.
I guess the fight down gets disaster in a good spot.
And the three's going to be happy.
Good play. Connection.
Kick back Sumail.
That's Frames.
Let me get the rolling thunder off.
He's got a haste.
He's rolls away.
No rolling thunder for the next aggressive move to respawn, Sumail.
See how hard he wants to pressure with this haste,
and he's going to be level eight as well too with it.
I mean where you looking to go? You just sort of sitting mid, looking for the dives.
Can you look towards these side lanes? Because things are starting to calm down on the side lanes for the benefit of miles it feels.
Both the doom and the urge, so they're kind of happy with how things have quite ended up quite a bit there.
I think they want to open up mid. Keep playing around the power runes, open that up, get the vessel.
Then you can look to move around, because it has killed third everywhere.
Well this will look to hang onto this tower, but might get set up onto the blast off set set for the roll.
Quick and easy kill there around the mid, and Samus can be very fast and make more happen.
If it moves up it was the bottom, but already which is taken down by the Doom of Boom.
Morales, he'll be able to back off, so despite Samus quick TP after getting the kill mid,
he won't be able to find anything in return down there, and they do lose their carry.
A bit surprising that they can just walk up and get the Doom onto him like that there.
So, not respecting it, even on Agi treads.
On top, device pretty far up. Moves hiding in the trees in case divide does approach.
Cersei's now getting away with quite a bit after getting that kill. He's gonna have the battle fury potential at a pretty good time. He's top down worth after that.
He's on track for kinda like a sort of 13-14 minute battle fury.
Mid lane, Theo. He'll be okay.
Bit quieter from LGD after doing, dude, just so good in the lanes. It's just, it's too male, making all the moves. He'll find the catch.
So if I can finish him off the silence is not gonna last long enough so awkward
What's the tree's fine as the already if he feels threatened?
Magnetized spread didn't actually connect very well either there
So Mel wanting to trace more but actually can't collect the connection
I mean they're still trying to push on a bit up top
Won't be able to go right up until the tier 2 so
That was still a stack or so though to my
Got a nice stack here to clean up
That's beautiful I think Boom for me is doing it
Even though he's bottom of the course, he's doing better than I thought he was gonna be doing on this doom
I thought this lane was gonna be incredibly difficult for them to turn up to every time versus this clink Sun dying
But getting that kill was huge
Even though I said bottom of the course
I just I thought it was gonna be him just getting bullied out all over a place instead
It's them being able to put some pressure onto this bottom tower once again. Maybe that's us ready for
Won't be able to juke around the tree line. They'll be alright this time. It's not the greatest of cats as we were saying
Stacks are being formed, so that looks against the priority for Thiel, level 6 has now been
hit.
Oh they want to go for boom here, big Ossamel's in, should be a pretty easy play to set up,
Samael comes in with a combo, drops it down onto boom, they'll get them off the tower,
bring down the doom, 4-2-3, trying to get back over to the other side of the map with
the twin gate, but the jump forward there from Thiel, the goal will stop that, 4-2-3,
no where to run, tries to turn and bring someone down, moving but with the body gloves coming
He won't get any of them. Sumail gets the double.
Maus, overstand the welcome a little bit down there around the tier one, not respecting the potential for LGD to turn up and still have this very strong presence around Sumail's Urspher.
I'm just looking at Sumail, looking and running the show. Triple kill, he is. I'm just leaving my camera on Sumail. He's literally everywhere. 5-1-1 looking to set that tempo for the team.
He's the one to do it right now. That's the area you need charging him first, rolling him first.
and again look immediately through the portal again it does get scanned but he
uses the inverse to try to be sneaky and set up with this play. It's not gonna
catch him. Divy now did go for the blink I think he's been doing this every time
where he goes for the blink first and he's gonna be able to have a pretty good
blade mail timing now. He gets some crazy stacks. I was taking those away from Miles over in their jungle now cleaning up a massive ancient stack.
It's gonna be a very very fast blade mail blink dagger timing so to sort of having
jump forward and lead here, LGD, 2k advantage. And there's one of those heroes that you can solo kill,
you know, if he does have the pre-fury swipes prepped up with the overpower, I mean, sorry,
if the overpower's there, you can absolutely go for the blink blade, milk claw and kill him.
So back to business, LGD. Absolutely, getting that tempo back that
we're starting to show very early this game. Yeah, it's just much more natural and easy for
them to make the moves without blink daggers, right? Air Spirit just rolls in while on the side of
mouse will be needing a blink dagger relatively early supreme probably
defusal shard plink something along those lines otherwise the game I feel like
the game could slow down into dangerous territories they have to be able to
respond versus LGD because LGD is gonna look to fight at all times in this
draft
defusal is finished up Wits also has his death zone out on the opposing side he
can turn up to some of these fights himself I kind of would like to see Wits
now starts showing up too because he's the building taker right so he could just
shop and hit the mid tower instead they're just gonna use these three at
the moment should be able to bring it down safely anyway I say that TV's
coming in no sir they can get a kill out of this should be able to go for
snaking and drop the tombstone he's still getting kicked back to safety he's
gonna be alright I keep him alive now gd's still considering maybe they
themselves want to get back in on the fire the tombstone will be
taken out that is heavy rotations though to protect this mid tower and it's in
the night territory already so 30 HP they should be able to secure it divide
blink blade mail is done they could probably just smoke and look for the
Ursa that's a super fast timing set all three cores in fantastic position on
LGD very much a threat to the Ursa carry for two straight just as I said I
don't feel like it looks like that easy Ursa game versus silences disarms
Tombstone saves, let's see if they do find them here, they put the ward down, doesn't
it be a step ahead, looks like it's going to be fine, yeah they don't want to go deeper.
LGD though, at this point I think they are very ready to take any fight that comes to
them, just have to watch out for the angle of the rolling thunder, I think that's their
The biggest threat at the moment is if Supreme can find those angles.
What's a bit hesitant to hit the top tower for a second here.
Snaking will do it.
There we go.
Power run.
Mid lane.
Looking for Theo.
He's good damage with the death row.
He's gone.
Yeah, Maladik's on him.
Mid lane, looking for Theo.
It's good damage with the deathmove, Ivy's gone.
And Maladik's on him.
Similar to look to get the refilled out, regen for him.
Slow paced, 7-4.
It's even though they do it these timings, is not...
He's farming.
He's not falling behind, yeah. 4-2-3.
I mean if you and if you can get away with the blink BKB on top of the battle fury before the action really kicks off in favor of LGD
And he's gonna be alright. He's so that has to really worry about that cool
But outside of that I think they're getting away with quite a bit here
Yeah, I think the moves supreme is gonna be able to finish up the blink dagger before he dies again potentially too
So yeah, they're dodging the movement. It's nice to hear of LGD
And how can LGD speed this up even more?
Yeah
Looking yeah, I think they have killed third anybody they find it's just they need to get by strong right he with this blink blade now
They need him kind of at the front of things right?
Would you want to see some out who goes in first on these are we have the air spirit roll forward?
And then he acts looks for the that the follow-up jump or which that depends on the opportunity, right?
If the sumail sees some supports you can always go for them if device sees a core he can go for them because he kills them a
little easier
But it doesn't matter either one can do it
Again, move one connect though, looks like they're still continuing to drive and everybody
on the side of mouths is chilling back, farming, not getting caught.
They might, I mean they might be able to get triple blink timing on the side of mouths
now.
That's looking like it.
Boom just the fervor away from it out of the three of them.
Which would be huge because as we were saying, a bit of lack of jump to get on top of this
This tank, you're gonna top of this clink, start the fights themselves.
LGD looking for a play, boom.
Can't quite go for him.
That's too speedy.
Nice, now not quite close enough there to roll in.
A bit of passive play.
It's unable to get those connections.
And now on the side of mouse, I think you can smoke up.
You can start looking for these moves up.
Nobody blinks.
Yep, Supreme has his, can look to start pusing toward the backlines.
Does have to be a little careful, as the pango, since he is playing vs. this clink's high physical damage, you can't just die in a call.
Tense moments here.
Techies bombs might reveal this smoke soon.
Okay well, 4-2-3 will take two or three of them, have to pop the Enrage, so we should be aware of the positioning now.
Neither team connecting really, 7-4. One of the lower kill count games I think we've had.
An important series for both teams, so...
...being careful with these aggressive plays.
Any itemization that we do see? Alright, there we go, look at Theo.
I hope so this game when you're playing versus a doompango do like it quite a bit this game
Sumail standard, and I think for what do we see for the clanks? I imagine just quite standard as well to pike
FOM so good for us, but I say standard I pike into our dragon lengths
And then I like the agonist a lot on clanks personally
So see if he does want to go for that because even if you do get doomed as long as you get the army down, right?
You're gonna be doing your job. So see if he does want to go that
I can't believe it's only 11 kills. I think this is the fifth smoke I'm seeing now
Are they gonna get the connection this time from us?
And now another smoke the sign of LGD
Yeah, I want to say that there's only going to be like one or so left on each side if even that they might be out of smokes
Don't not seeing anybody with any extras, so
Do you want to set up for the torment there radiance expecting it they're like, okay, maybe Ursa's doing Torm no, okay
Just both teams dodging each other not on purpose either they're both looking for each other
And is this sort of slow down worse for one of the lineups would you say
Who does this hurt more? Nothing's kind of hitting right now.
Not too sure to be honest with you, because I like the scaling from L2D.
I think it's not horrible that it's slowing down for them either.
Through the portal, they are coming.
This is awkward.
Skating a bit awkward. Giel of course is going to die. They do get the Tormenter, but they're both rather low.
Which just needs to bail out. Let's make you die.
They're going to get the dust on him. He's going to try for the team.
Rallis goes straight for him knows that he's going to be there at the edge up on the high ground
Set set for four two three to pick up both for those kills
So GD they might have got the tormenter for four two three to carry us if a mouse picks up a couple of kills
And maybe I know actually I mean it's a no no there's actually if you can get to this type of points
You can be pretty terrifying. He is getting away with way too much. You're just top net worth
I'm going to get the support. The BKB timing is going to be perfectly fine
It's only about a thousand gold off it.
I actually might take that back, right?
Because the Earth surface is the clinch matchup.
Once you get BKB basher axe, it's going to hit him alive, so...
What does he have left from execution though?
Tombstone save.
Now we'll be able to protect a vine from a lot of the deathwater.
Milotic damage, so...
LGD backing action on the top lane.
Clean up by Supreme and Luz.
Yeah, these deaths from...
These deaths from Wits really hurt, the two of them.
Did look like a game where he was going to have a lot of freedom
freedom to those blink daggers come out now they've come out there's that gap
close but see how he wants to itemize to deal with it he is gonna go for the
axe anticipated that but that might need the pike just needs a way to reset
since they will be getting on top of them zoom out still with the pretty much
flawless game BKB soon finished up for him
it definitely feels that the game has been a bit quiet for a for divide and he
would have hoped for, right? He got a pretty crazy blink blade mald timing, but only one
month through, they obviously were as a team very actively trying to find action for him
to get involved, but were not able to find nearly as much as I think he'd hoped for with
that sort of very, very fast start in the early two items as an axe.
Supreme, if they can find him here, would be an amazing kill. Sumail does have a hangalong
in him, but they're not going to go for it here. Mid lane, this looks a good easy one.
Everyone got the bottom of their Alice.
Time for Roche.
Taking this away from the Ursa lineup as well, pretty big.
Perhaps that's also why they went for the Tormentor, right?
Like they do it well, but also taking that away from Ursa is pretty huge.
So if they're able to take away both of them, that is gonna hurt for 4-2-3 quite a bit.
BKB's done for the Ursa, but...
Do they actually want to go over there? I don't know if they have time to make it there.
It's difficult to get here, especially when there's attacks in the game, right?
Yeah.
And approaching this roche pit is never going to be easy.
And it's always going to be a full HP roche because of the undying or so.
I'd rather let this one go.
I'm just going to say the Samael or Witz.
Think Witz, yeah.
Think of that Witz take it.
They're even struggling a bit still, right?
So, Nixomal feels very safe.
Yeah, absolutely. With that, DKB picks up now.
I'm just going to drop down the Doom.
Should do it. I certainly will do his Maladict as well.
Snanking's going to be going down.
Hey, as soon as he respawns there,
I have a small thing I've got to look for, right?
No Doom.
Feels like a very crucial one for Malus to have for these fights.
But I think Boom was like, you know what?
Dude, nothing's happening.
I know it's coming to my lane. I might as well just Doom somebody.
And he is getting away with some good farm on the Doom too.
has done the build that we see pretty much from majority of these dooms.
Yeah, top three net worth after not a super pleasant early learning stage
against the undying and the clink, but he wouldn't be able to tell that now.
Yeah, he's done quite well for himself.
LGD, I would expect that
they're really trying to get as much achieved with this four minutes of ages on wits.
Yeah, especially now doom being cooled down too, right?
So I imagine they're gonna look for some type of play here
It's awesome now, right? It's a matter of how much pressure or how deep he wants to doubt because he's really just the most
Active one on the map to buy as you said a bit quiet. I look at the boom down water
He's ready for it. He certainly is
No, the chase becomes a little more awkward BKB's delivered
Mid lane they're also setting up for the potential play divide and which are waiting for somebody
They will evaporate pretty much anybody they do fine, but no one's going nobody's falling for this
Nobody's headed over the war of the mid lane, so much for that to reveal farm the wave
They see top the word that they have placed has not been de-worded to the Ducey supreme. They could go for this pango
Devices to fit scared of which angle he wants to take they're going with two male now counter spoke coming in from mouse
They find divide before he finds them. Oh
My god, they're gonna walk right past each other. They are in the bombs now at this point supreme's a bit afraid
Snaking now has the blink for the save for that target that gets jumped for me to do more of the rolling thunder in the Ursa
Super close on the numbers here though mid lane they see the power shot do they want to jump fat
Seems to be ready for the rolling thunder to help
catch Morales quick ghost after my snake. He's gonna buy him a bit of safety against
all this physical potential, still gets caught by the shackle after and will go down and
the little Samuel is caught by the Doom. He's gonna go for the TP out but he's gonna take
a lot of damage. He's dead. He sadly is. Won't be surviving in the fountain with the Doom
upon him. That was a beautiful bait play there. Morales actually ends up living and they might
even get another kill out of it. 43 and boom are ready to continue to jump in at five more.
Get the chance to bring down Thiel, because they do lose Brim for this.
But there's no real fault for Defy.
He's dead.
Which the last one left alive is pushing forward, but he's got to be careful against the three of them.
Obviously feels safe, because he has this Aegis.
Well, Mal's outplaying them there pretty beautifully.
Nice bake play.
Supreme gets the angle, gets the connection.
Snaking with a good reaction on the Ghost Scepter, but isn't able to get the Tombstone off.
Isn't able to protect himself again.
Erse is able to crush these heroes.
He's just massive. The gap between him and Witze is just continuing to grow at this point of the game.
Witze, the Klinks, cannot keep up with the farm at this earth with his battle fury.
Witze is going to have his axe done soon, so then he's going to feel even safer entering into the fight,
so not really having to worry about too much of any of the lockdown.
Then he can just get the axe off during the call.
He'll be able to actually protect himself to not get chain combo, chain stun, and silenced.
They have to find sort of a perfect call and spirit silenced combo to stop him from getting either the BKB or the RLF.
And perhaps now at this point too, it's like
Not giving the ages to Sumail ends up hurting them quite a lot there, right? Oh, they won't be able to get the gem though
So they do take that one away from moose
Yeah, we're still having ages Sumail dying not having ages perhaps, you know
They might regret not giving it to the air spirit there. Yeah, you can see when it dropped
It definitely seemed like they were considering like who who's the one to take it. Yeah
If he, with that situation, he maybe should have just ran in and tried a little bit more aggressive at the start of things there.
That's bad, because Divide, he wanted to back in. He went back in.
Yeah. A bit of hesitation again, LGD.
So very close game on the numbers.
He's getting away with the loss.
He's getting a bit too much, I would say.
If he can get to that, if he can get to the Basher, I mean right now the Agonis is going to be fantastic, if he gets to the Basher, that's where the Clink's matchup becomes very hard for this Clink.
And Doom, it's back up already, so...
It puts the sequence of their fights nicely here on mouse.
I've been finding some good dooms as well, Boom.
Taking some mail out of the fight that last time.
Even though he BKB'd and tried to TP to have the overpowered ready at the mine up
bottom, I'm gonna get the setup at the shackle.
Boom will follow up and he'll be happy to drop the Doom down on this rolling thunder
there.
They're coming with a save for now, but the tombstone is going to be taken out, and he's still likely to die here.
Indeed, it's Devai will fall some out.
It's looking to try and push for a kill, and it's trying to get the magnetized guy, but Rolls-Rove is straight into 4-2-3.
So 4-2-3 just turns, tears him apart.
Samel's gone.
They're going to try and fight here, 3 vs 4.
It's looking at 4-2-3.
It's a lot of damage, not enough to kill him, but 4-2-3 is able to escape.
shot down by the squashbuckle. So they try and fight again LGD but then just not
able to come out on top. They kill the two supports of Maus but all three cores
of Maus survive. Which had TP the whole time to join bottom
very fast. He came very late. He doesn't get the clean up kills. I mean a moment
soon and he would have absolutely killed 43 right. We saw how low 43 did get at the
end of it but they couldn't quite kill this us. 43 gets to live again.
Yeah, Miles is just playing a little bit better and which is just there's he's turning up to the fights
I feel just a bit late again the secondary time he had to be the whole time his team was making the move
I was watching him
He said yeah, he would have absolutely gotten the air so there if he showed up even like a one second earlier
So just again seeing a little bit of quietness from him. It's not as aggressive as I want to see him posturing
Now 43, I mean he's been able to play this very chill right in terms of when he's been with the team when he hasn't
I haven't even seen the taser be a problem for him really in this game. He's not really beautifully
The thing that I thought there was gonna be much more disruptive for him just hasn't been the case at all
Yes, I picked looking very nice at
Game plays out and in that last fight I did want to point out a supreme nice rolling thunder coverage
So you could prevent anybody to protect the tombstone because you could see snaking was a help me
Don't let them hit this as much but unable to do so does get the chance done it
smoke again looking for a cat if they have all five heroes you can see their damage coming in
I just want to see wits being there as they can get kind of a jump with the call or you can smell
getting the other stun wits is there to line up the damage they'll kill pretty much any of these
heroes in that lockdown with the damage output this clink's might be able to find supreme here
this would be a massive one and this is a clean and easy kill she mouse though mouse and not afraid
Maybe try and find some element of LGD's LGD back off from this.
Oh, are they going to be able to do another scenario around the Tormentor?
Oh, this Tormentor was a bit risky last time.
Are they going to get punished again?
Yeah, already Boos ready to jump on a divide.
They do finish off the Tormentor to get the shot for some out.
Can they look at us?
Most of them are.
Don't get out just in time with the rest of the TPs.
Okay.
Get out.
Well, not Scott 3, of course.
They do lose divide, but they do at least get themselves a Tormentor.
And they're taking some risks.
You see a lot of these tier 1 teams, they just ignore the tournament a lot of times too.
Ooh, seeing some aggressive lines being drawn here from Theo.
Crit now finished up for Wits.
Every time there's an axe call or an earth spirit roll in, I want Wits to be there just
a bit faster so he's there with the ball.
He killed Amish, exactly.
Incredibly strong right now still on the clink.
4-2-3.
I guess the Ghostseptors and some of these defensive items are bothering him before he wants to go for Baster, so can't blame him to go for the Nullifier here.
That's very close to it.
So likely we'll wait for that before they look to go again. Also
See having in mind the upcoming roast time. I'm surprised how far I'm snaking in this game
You know, I think he's like died a bunch, but it's actually only three bets
He's getting close to some of these course. So now isn't a giant both the support sir
It is a farmed on LGD. I guess the tormentors do assist right?
You do get that little extra gold for your team too, but they're quite rich on these two supports embarrassing
These things absolutely do matter in these in these team fights
Since you look at the two supports, right, the team fight from the two supports of LGD is much stronger than a witch doctor and a win ranger at this point too, so the bigger and bigger they get, definitely problematic.
And Theo's just got me good luck getting to this Roche pit. How many mines is this? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17. There's like 20 mines in this area. So difficult to bypass.
That does mean that they are set up around the top side.
Exactly, they had to take this roge before it does move and as we can see on the respawn
there, are they going to have to go like a 30 second window?
They do kill it absurdly fast.
They do.
They do.
But they have to be straight in there ready to go at 34 minutes 30.
So maybe someone just has to sit, I mean they go to the mine right, so they don't know exactly
if they're spawned.
Maus.
If they have a smoke, they do. Let's see what angle of approach they can find since this.
The mines will reveal them, so they can jump.
He will be spawned right away.
That's another buyer to reveal.
Hi!
Very well.
He's made the jump in the mid, but the net falls down and I'm gonna try a PKBM rod.
He's taking a lot of damage, so you will have to use the tombs to keep him safe.
Over in the river, boom!
Does get focused down by Wits.
The bombs.
Look at the support on top of that.
Taking down Morales, Divide back in with another call.
Pretty low, Sumail.
Follow-up damage onto Supreme, but Supreme zoom in away.
He can break the safety of the tier-2 tower with him, ready to dive him.
Snaking a Sumail jump in to finish off the job.
Find a third kill from this,
and with that should be enough to easily allow them the space to get this Roshan.
Snaking to me.
Sure you killed him, but Ceasar's third comes back immediately. Divide jumps in, almost dies.
Oh, the two-star-
Oh my god, that-
Oh my god, that-
Did that-
Did that roar get insane?
Oh my god, this is a-
Is that roar and slam at the same time?
It's gonna be close, but they should be able to-
I mean, it-
It's gonna be-
Now, Witt's gonna clean it up.
He's gonna start moving right.
He's gonna-
So they will be able to hit that time and get the roast downmosses on the top side,
get the Aegis secured here again for Witt's.
Full Daedalus.
Now on the clink so he's still a problem you saw the woman that fight trying to run in and find any target the
Skeletons just rip him to shreds. So still gonna be an answer. They start to find an answer for the clinks
What's now showing up to these fights a couple of these times feel now gonna go for octuring this I'm alright with
I still would prefer something else, but I'm fine with it when he's got disease
He's just gotten he's got his other items already the four stuff was the yields of the important one so
I do ways like a hex when you're playing resource.
He still can change the build if you'd like to.
Going through the portal, mouse.
Trying to catch them off guard here.
Now playing into a bit more difficulty as well into this ages.
LGD, what can they find?
A lot of focus around the mid.
Snaking, Lotus now finished, some extra protection, could reflect the Doom, could reflect quite a lot of things actually.
Pretty solid Lotus game, reflecting some Shackle shots even.
And the bombs all set up again.
Snaking news, he's going to plant a set up on a Snake King.
This time we're not at that ceaseless dodge available, so he's out for 70, so in a decent
minute where they won't be able to make a play with the Aegis as a team, LGD.
And 4-2-3 continues to be very lucky in one of his Ursa.
Still looking pretty solid on it.
Top tower, not quite falling.
They want to try and fight here, Mouse.
It's difficult into this high ground.
They still find the shackle and the cast.
That Maladek down on the divide.
He's in trouble.
He's gone.
Up to the side, so Mouse still going to dive in.
Flies the connection on towards Morale.
Up to the side Sumail still gonna dive in, flies the connection on towards Morales.
Big damage from Witt's coming into 4-2-3 but he has the Enrange.
Will be able to chase a little bit of a theo-lacour looking for the Ursa.
He's charging 3-2, fuking around, they get the setup here with the Yule's coming down into the damage of Witt's.
4-2-3's gonna tick down low, they've got it.
He was doing very well but you can see how difficult it for it to miss to just get on top of any of these targets.
Especially without Basher, they do end up kiting into Sumail, had shield thrown in this fight to the doom, there's next to nothing he pops in right afterwards.
So even though they lose divine snaking, they get a great cleanup fight just from the angle where they can attack from.
That was a very sort of difficult scrappy position to try and run into LGD from.
Looking for Wits.
It's just boom leading the way, no immediate backup moves.
I'm not sure what they were going for there.
You're playing into an ages clink, so you don't even have your earthstone.
Yeah, boom making that jump before there was really any backup.
He did have the witch doctor with him, but even then, it's a lot to try and throw in at the clink, as you say.
Still has an Aegis.
One fight and the game is blown open.
Burst of dead for such a long time.
They're going to get some damage onto the tower there, but up to a 9k lead after just that moment.
It was sitting pretty much at 1-2k for the entirety of this game, but now they can pick up all these next items.
Wits finds himself a regen.
Yeah, we're going to see that daughter probability really swing forward here
That can do some big damage the base which it's
It's the tip. It's just the execution is much harder for mouths to take these fights right from LGD
They can just roll in with Sumail and which just drops the army and the natural like team fighters come
Yeah, which gets a free position to play from in these fights. It's over me and the support
You're just way stronger as we see techies push on dying their team by contribution compared to win ranger which doctor way way higher
I can keep this going, still a minute with the Aegis.
Oh, this is awkward for 4-2-3.
He doesn't have the gold to eat his Aghanimus right now, but he wants the Baster, so he's got no boots, Ursa.
Never feels good.
Lows.
So they want to try and time the play out of the base here around that Aegis expiration, 30 seconds.
So they're self-wits about to hit 25 as well
Stabilizing their position here very nice the LGD. Yeah, you can see Mao's now they're posturing probably thinking
How do we take that next fight?
Need to all in a target
But it's just difficult to all in these targets when snaking is there with the tombstones a lot of the times.
Or if it just takes them so long to bring down one of these targets, as we've seen, it took them a while to bring down the Vi.
I've heard close-having multiple Linkens. Yeah, I mean snaking is literally a war.
Look at his net worth. He does this a lot.
Link, Lotus, Linkens, Doom.
Good luck getting the booms off on the right target and it might still get reflected push. It's coming in.
She's defortification.
Has her 25 on clinks. Mentioned that the other day the strafe talent with agonims is insane how much damage it does on the fights.
And there's that other Lincoln's.
Triple Lincoln's.
Good luck getting these spell combos off.
Now seeing what they can find here, they want to go for the smoke from the twin gate and try and attack here from an angle that LGD might not expect.
coming up the bottom line the biggest smoke wrap around ever yeah up to the
twinge through the twinge a up the bottom line
to you
don't find him
watch out for the bombs oh my god for us
tanking quite a bit be careful of them too there we go
Sumail's ready to fight with that.
That's a bot.
Won't be able to fight the opportunity.
So the techies gone and a lot of his mines gone as well.
Played out here by Maus.
Good luck to play it, Cho. Wait for that.
Secure the next Roshan in particular if they want to play it like that.
Since they're playing versus the Doom, they have the triple lincoln so they can't just look to do that.
4-2-3 looks to kill the skull. Okay, I'm gonna get the tormentor since we don't have great space to get outside.
We'll go to get that for the team.
Cash Money
How's the itemization for Morales didn't really get to mention him too much this game
Cuz just feels like it's been a very quiet one for him you all is very good
This game also if he's able to get to it, but he has very slow that these items are coming out for the subs
Moose has big dreams
That will be fun to see
Are you not too far away?
I think he's died.
He's kind of about half the way there.
It feels like he just dies to all the things that happen in the fights then, right?
There's gonna be a magnetized pulsing skeleton shooting all over the place.
Mine's too, so...
But if he doesn't die...
That would be cool.
He can find the angle.
Snake...
Way too tanky.
They're gonna go all in on him, though.
Jumping over the nullified, rolling thunder, snaking.
He's into the tombstone.
But as soon as he's out of it, he's going down surely.
The ghost steps down the hill,
buys him a bit of protection.
Makes them use quite a lot.
But he does end up dying. Ready to get back in immediately on the game though.
Looking for 4-2-3 here. Damage from Theo LaCour.
Jump from the back.
Match is dead.
4-2-3 still able to run.
Simel trying to chase in with the roll forward in the sheavers, but won't quite clip onto 4-2-3.
Actually able to disengage. I thought they'd lose somebody because how long it took them to kill Snakey,
but they do get the disengage. They want to go back in.
Smoke up from Maus.
Not a lot, I mean nothing was really expanded on the side of LGD though, I guess just the
tombstone plus the fleshglobe, the tomb is back up in 40.
Malz do have the doom itself ready to drop.
Okay.
LGD ready for the fight themselves.
This could be a big fight either way.
It'll be the beginning of a comeback here for Malz if they can get the jump or really
their device seem moralistic, they're gonna send somethings up.
It's just too dangerous to fight in this area, they know the bombs are replaced already.
Always the danger of playing versus techies when you are behind.
And Roshan is going to spawn, they're going to have one minute to kill it.
Snaking potentially, it looks like they're trying for a sneaky kill.
Catching mouths off guard maybe, but not going to be the case.
is up I don't know if they had a bomb in there I don't think they did so I don't
know if they know that that was spawned immediately someone's got to go check it
all righty it is up that started immediately now not likely the mouse is
going to be able to get hit this time they're having a lost few times so hard
First the bombs, just the coverage is there.
Push, certainly gonna be coming into the high ground now.
Around this third.
Aegis, 4LGD, wits.
Ready to take care of once again, seeing as he's the one that's gonna be sieging.
Give him the refresher shot, I think.
It's very good on, it's good on either one, right?
You can give it to the airspirit or him, they're amazing, so.
Maybe he just buys his own before it.
Sumail now having his own agonims. Another technical save versus Doom.
Between that, the Tombstone, all the Lincoln's, the Delotus's, there's
there is a lot to make it very tricky for Maus to find the jumps a bit hopeful.
Another, yeah, it feels like the Wolf are getting homework. How do you execute these fights on the
side of Maus? Good luck Doom. He's got the agonims at the least here, so we'll have that AOE Doom to
provide but they do have a way to get it now.
And Pio's got one as well so they're gonna go for the five... wait five
Lincoln's. Oh he's got one queued up. Okay. Yeah, but he's got it queued up.
So everybody wants one. It's a very good game for it right even playing versus
these diffusals any of these little spells they said before the shackles
right there's a lot of good spells single target spells to block the
The eventual abyssal, of course for 4-2-3 that he's gonna get.
Bander at the ready, double siege bottom, and the push is going to come very hobb.
We've seen how much damage wits can do to the buildings.
Okay, I can just drop it all down if you'd like to.
And if you're just going wits ready to step up.
We'll pop a very early glyph.
All right, everybody throw your linkings on him.
Good luck, welcome to the high ground, let's drop the army.
Try for a poke.
43's in.
So, pull in a heal.
Can't get anyone over to the banner though.
Well, the buildings are dropping.
Lotus Lincoln's, pull them away.
Rax is 4th and 3rd, full set, gone.
Cannot stop the push of the clink to...
All the creep wave when the ban is up.
Who's nearly as his axe though? Ready for the big place!
500 gold!
Gonna need some type of beautiful connection. You're starting to really feel just...
much more difficult for them to execute any team fight at this point.
Theo's changed the build by the way. I don't blame him.
They could be...
Oh, but I'm gonna do a flink.
Probably not, because they could... I don't know if they need one or not.
He can just go for anything else and it feels good too.
Game could end very soon. Two minutes left on this Aegis still.
4-2-3, she's consumed the axe, he has his phase back in his slots. Gonna try and get the jump.
The shackle's connecting.
Falling thunder. It's getting burst low. That's gonna be him not the one. The Aegis is gone.
Gone too.
Just wants to get a good opening of a turning device. Enough to bring Morales down. No, Morales will take out here to the damage.
He'll buy back immediately, boom, getting shredded here by the damage of Wits and he can't get out of range of him.
Wits takes out, boom. Snake, he's ready to dive the base here as it's 5 versus 3 now.
There'll be a buyback coming in from Moose.
Wits really has to be ready to try and stop them from diving in.
43 tries to get the jump pump to Debye.
Second Army's now is too much to deal with, but now Roll 4 comes in for Sumetal.
43 puts the PKB, tries to stand his ground, hitting into Sumetal, Sumetal's out and turned into the Stonefall.
Debye gets another huge call on a Moose.
Adam to Supreme. Supreme cannot finish the buy on his own.
He's off to the side, runs trouble with the backup, comes in from 4-2-3.
He's gonna get set up in the air though by the Yields, Samuels ever to roll the way.
It's just half the last two of them, and Wes is destroying the ball. GG's called.
Zell GD, they step it up here today in this game one.
Took them a little bit of a time to get the ball rolling in the early game, but once they did, they were pretty unstoppable there, folks.
Schumann played incredible. I think he was pretty much the full dictator of this entirety of this game for the side of LGD, finding every single one of the grabs.
A little hesitant though, like you said. The first 30 minutes, I thought they were going to be quite a bit more proactive in terms of aggression, so there is that positive to look at from Maus, but LGD overall, making it look, in the later stages, pretty easy, the way that they could find their fights and get their scaling.
Absolutely, yeah, which, coming into his element in those last few moments, finding the right times to push and get involved to close up this game one win.
LVD take this game one and it wasn't the smoothest game of all time, but it definitely was exciting back and forth and that is due to both teams having good moments within this first game of course starting with LVD they closed it out, the cost very smooth.
Very smoothly indeed. We said that there's gonna be a bit of an issue then running into this like massive chaos that is happening on
LGD size with the tombstone. I get we are in the tanky meta every single hero like even the supports
We are seeing undying with 4000 HP and they need to commit pretty heavily if they want to be grabbing the kill and
It felt at one point that it's pretty much Ursa doing all the damage where doom
He's doing the target a little bit of a follow-up and then Pango rolling in they need to invest pretty heavily with a lot
of these things, they need rolling thunder, they need doom to be able to kill their heroes.
On site of LGD, they can reset multiple times, like Ursa does thrive in these lower cooldown
environments where all of his undercores also have low cooldown so that he can reset multiple
times.
And also for LGD, their identified Roshan being so important in this game, they got the
first two edges and with mouse, when they did have a decent platform to play on, they
survived the early game under the LGD equation, they dodged quite nicely in the mid game.
only mouse was able to get their hands on like a single mid game ages. It could have been a different
story but LGD utilized that wonderfully and kind of cruised into the later portion of the game. I
feel like there were like 25-30 minutes onwards LGD hit their stride and that is a slight concern
for LGD that after such a good laning phase it took them what 15-20 minutes to understand like
how to convert that into a true win but it doesn't really matter at the end of the day. It's like
they got the win. They still won for improvement in this roster but yeah I think that the late game
was the treat for what? Yeah the early game wasn't like the first five six maybe in seven minutes
it was pretty clean the advantage that they did have of course due to the strong side lanes that
they did pick for themselves but then they made a couple of mistakes and all that early advantage
that they did have was kind of nullified and I feel like this team with the time is just going
going to keep getting better and better because they are still, you know, these are a lot of
experienced players. You have snaking, you have some mail as well with a bit of like
even Teolikor is an old school player at this point with
Let us down there, right? Yes.
Oh, the Teolikor, because like where's his Lincoln's? And I was in his quick buy, but
you can see here, everyone had Lincoln's and LGD. Teolikor late to the party. You know,
he's only a couple of components deep. The game has lost another five minutes and maybe
they could have had the five Lincoln's to just to try and annoy boom a little bit more
on the doom.
Yeah, a little respect there for Boom's Doom.
Indeed, the MVP of this game goes to Simeo on the Earth Spirit,
which I don't think he's going to get his hands on again in this series.
It was something that I felt like Maus could deal with for a little bit,
but it's just so much effort has to go in to be able to withstand it.
It's the hero that does so many things.
Like you saw first couple of rotations, what he was doing,
like even trying to contest the first XP shrine.
It wasn't as successful as maybe they wanted to because Mouse did manage to punch back at the time.
But this hero, once you get the ball rolling, it's way too much chaos.
Like, he rolls in, uses magnetized with the shows.
They don't have any ways of dispelling things other than this disperser that was built on Pango,
but he can't really disperse everybody.
So you got to either commit with a BKB or just die, which we have seen support from Mouse.
Like, they chose that one and it wasn't a good one.
No, there were a lot of moments in this game that were pretty cool.
One is from the early game, TGov, where...
Which was not cool, Sheva, you're getting...
It was cool. What, for who?
Negative, because I don't want to talk about how you do here.
I feel like for mouse, the reason why they're struggling
is just some of the weird plays they're making.
Like, at 12 minutes, not even on, like, a catapult wave,
Doom's randomly hitting a tower of Windranger.
The game is, like, somewhat stable after the laning phase,
but you've now dragged your Ursa through the Twin Gate
to join your Pointless Tattoo on aggression.
Then someone goes to the gates and kills the witch doctor from a game that was like, oh, ladies are scary to
Oh, we can breathe and then like why are you hitting this tower?
It's like you've just griefed your entire game and then it's like after that major props to master because that tier one tower
Terrible, but then they they dodged they didn't die divide kept running around and not finding anything
But that tier one tower was like
Yeah, this is the other thing you see this kind of stuff in pubs even like they maybe there was an idea where
Ursa connects maybe they weren't expecting that there's going to be like this type of a read but
they gave him good like 25 seconds because it's seven business days yes yes pretty much and
he also didn't have doom available at the time so a bit of an awkward play is coming up from
mouse yeah and it was nice in the in the bottom right corner of the map and we are going back to
the bottom right corner of the map gentlemen gentlemen's agreement they said we are gonna
fight here boys doesn't matter what happens but the lgd i like the fact that they understood
what needs to be done in this game. We've talked about Roshan's and also 20 minutes in,
straight into Roshan, into this Tormentor area they go. Some of them are going to be able to get
out, but even with these kills that they're getting, it's still a big, big W for LGD because they
did manage to kill the Tormentor. This is something that Ursa wants to do immediately after maybe
like 30 seconds after they respawn. They go for Roshan, they take it. Ursa is a type of a hero that
that relies on killing the Tormenter, getting this from his team, killing the Roshan and
playing with the Aegis, and they understood what the assignment was.
They did, and we're going also back to the Offlaners. We talked a little bit already
about Boom's Doom, we talked a little bit already about the Vy's Axe, we're going to
do that a little bit more.
Yeah, and this is why I kind of got a little upset with the early emotions that Boom was
doing with the tower, because once they stabilized the game, look at the Vy 1, 1, and 2, it's
25 minutes into a game where an axe had like a free lane farmed like a bajillion stacks and then they never allowed him to find a
Kill like to me. I was like wow mouse there
They're reading this map beautifully that it feels like they've overcome LGD
They're gonna show us what they can do now the earth is online
but it never really converted into anything else and
But yeah, I gotta say that is my biggest positive to mouse like they're like 15 to 30 minute mark of this game
probably it's maybe 25 minutes. It felt like they really knew the assignment.
Yeah, they had a strong mid game, the game's back and forth, miles look good,
some people might say how do they look shaky in those moments as well,
goes both ways I guess, Lykov.
Yeah, absolutely, there's still a lot to work on but they do get to dub in the end,
like this is the team that, you know, a lot of people have high expectations for a good reason,
I think they really nailed it with the draft in this one, maybe the execution wasn't like top tier
level that you would expect from the players that they do have on the squad, but it got the job done.
It did. Let's see if they can get the job done again, or if we're going to see now that the job
done. We are heading to a short break. We'll be right back.
The human body was built to move, not to have to test get one singular posture for 12 hours a day.
It's time your chair evolved. This is Secret Lab Titan Evo.
Ergonomically engineered for you, gamers, hybrid workers, artists, and in your every move.
It's game time here, I'm here, we're snaking from LGD and we're going to find out how well
he knows his riddles. Do you like riddles? Do you like poetry?
I mean, I do like puzzles and riddles, so let's get started.
Alright, that sounds like a positive sign. Your first one's actually a yes to that, by
the way, so that's a good start. Let's get into it. Basically, this is Dota Letters and
we are going to be giving you a little rhyme and it's going to allude to either a Dota
hero, a dota item, or a dota spell.
And you need to tell me which one that is.
You will see some letters on your screen.
If you want to see those letters revealed to you,
then you can ask for a hint.
You have 10 of those to use throughout the game,
three on each question, and one skip.
I just need to say the words, right?
That I think it's suggesting.
Yeah, yeah, you just need to say whatever hero.
Our hero spells, lore or something.
Yeah, I think you'll get it as we get into it.
Are you ready?
Yes, let's get started.
All right, let's go.
When you're trying to run, this spell makes you stuck.
Without a dispel, you'll be cooked like a duck.
What am I?
Hint.
Yes.
Searing chains.
Yes, exactly right.
Let's go on to the next one.
When I get into trouble and need health and a hurry,
just press this button and grow big and furry.
Grow big and furry.
I hope you have this one as a spell.
I get in trouble and need health in a hurry. Press this button and grow big and hurry.
Time walk? No. What is it?
Oh, do you want another hint? Yeah. Yeah, let's go for a second hint.
You've played against this hero a lot recently. You don't know that you do have your skip.
Grow big and furry. What makes you turn big and furry?
I'm not thinking of Ursa and Rage, but I don't know, I don't know.
No, you don't know it, you wanna skip?
I'll use a 13, I'm already used so many hints.
Alright, third hint, third hint, let's see if it helps us.
Treat, try...
Fudge, skip, skip.
Alright, skip it, skip it.
I don't know.
I'm down to his true form.
When it hits 25 and you're in need of a neutral, for a mana-hungry hero, this would be fruitful.
What am I?
When it hits 25 and you're in need of a neutral.
Uh, oh god, man, I dropped.
Yes, exactly right. Let's go. Let's go.
We got some answers to pick up here.
Built by Nekor Alcan, Lifestealer.
3-0.
Yes, exactly right. That did not take you long.
Come on, let's go.
This item closes that gap between those you hate,
used by fishermen of all to put big fish on your plate.
Exactly right. Let's go to the next one.
I'm the biggest guy around with the highest strength gain.
I'll throw a rock at your head if you come to my lane.
Who am I?
Is there a rock?
Oh, Primal Beast?
Yes, exactly right, Primal Beast is correct!
An annoying spell and AOE inhibit hitting you on the head
with a reverberating rivet.
Hit?
Yep, this one is a spell.
F is so many layers.
I actually don't know.
20 seconds left, I've hit you.
Hitting you on the head.
With a reverberating rivet.
That is the biggest clue there.
Reverberating rivet.
9 seconds left. Is it Largo's W? What is it called?
Yep. Yep. I don't know what it's called.
Oh, I'm not going to get there in time. Frog Stomp.
Oh, yeah. Frog Stomp. Yeah. Yeah. That's rough.
That is rough.
You do. I felt like you didn't want to use the hints because you just wanted to get it.
Oh, I thought I'd change the strategy.
I only got five. Yeah.
Yeah. I got stuck on Truffar wasting too much time.
Yeah. You were stubborn.
You didn't want to give up on. Yeah.
There was some cost fallacy right there, you know?
Definitely, definitely.
But hey, Flies not bad.
And when you hit your stride, you were quick.
Like I thought you were going to set some records today.
No.
Yeah, the speed bumps were too much.
Yeah.
Well, I tried my best today.
Not the best, but it is what it is.
It is what it is.
Naking, thank you very much.
Thank you.
the next one. We'll see if
snaking can win his game of
Dota in the next one, as that
is what he's about to do. We
are going to watch LGD versus
mouse game two coming your way.
LGD took Game one and mouse did
have moments of hope. It has a
lot of strength that we saw
throughout that game from them.
I mean, it's a little bit of a
little bit of a little cleaner,
but it all starts with the
drafts. I'm here with T gov and
the cost T. Where would you like
to see mouth take this one?
Honestly, I kind of want them to
look at wits and make him be
uncomfortable. I feel like he.
Second guessing himself more on
this roster compared to when he
played on play time because on
play time, I felt like he was
always a main character. Yes,
there's no pressure. There was
zero pressure, but like in here,
it's like he's taking some time
that you can hear in the cast
to join fights, but you know, I kind of feel like if you are mouse, just put a target on
which is back and just full send the aggression towards him, like making buckle under the
pressure of playing on this team.
Yeah, and also when it comes down to heroes that he was playing, for example, this Kez,
he felt uncomfortable on the heroes.
Well, you know, like you praised him for some of his previous performances, but definitely
team related rather than this being hero player combination related.
But also looking at the, like we all talked about, which teams Mouses managed to defeat.
They defeated Hukkori, they defeated the Pivils, but they also did a game of Yandex, which
a lot of teams for a good reason are thinking that this is the strongest team and they might
be taking this Valakia, but also I'm looking at the heroes that they played that one because
I see Enigma, I see Clanks, Clanks is definitely the big one because this is something that
can't speed up the game and seeing what happened in game number one with the clink
so it was able to do with the hero might be a hero that does get slightly more priority
on the flip side i knew have to mention that janek played that game with the mars
janemaw it was a mars pick which one still not a hero yeah unfortunately
but you're right there are definitely things that they can look for that will make them maybe a
bit more comfortable it's also the reason why we see enigma being banned out in first phase
We do have the dark willow coming out first for LGD for this one. They once again banned out the hood pink this time going for that willow straight away
So that leaves them with a little bit more ban potentials later on as they did feel the need to ban that earlier
I mean if you have a relish like two games in a row, you just don't have access to a best two heroes
That's like that's rough. But a bubble is like, you know what? I'm gonna make sure this guy just is not having fun at all
I respect it. I think some teams you just need to look at the players and go
Can they play more than two three heroes? If not, why not just enter a draft against them and try and play against it
Supports are playing only four heroes
each each of them and the I feel like
Maybe two of them are considered to be ban worthy
Otherwise like you don't have to ban all of them and put them in a position where they're limited hero pool is gonna put you in a winning spot
which kind of did. Again, we are seeing this witch doctor that does well in the lane relatively well,
and then afterwards, it's just 4v5. I'm kind of getting the similar vibes from seeing Silencer,
where he is very obnoxious for a couple of levels and then nothing.
I mean, there's a reason why RNG-based heroes don't always hit competitive though, right? Like
Jordan Ogre in your team, where you might hit a stun, but it might be like two or three stuns.
Jordan, a witch doctor, where you throw a coconut, but it could bounce to a creep,
to a hero, right? It's like there is this volatility around it, but at least for Moos you see his
heroes like the, sure the common ones that matter, the big ones, Dazzle is a flavor hero of certain
teams. I would like to see this type of route, but when you pick the Keeper of Light, it does
complicate things. I don't want to see Keeper of Light and Dazzle Keeper of Light wyvern, right,
as a support duo. Good question, did Moos actually only play four heroes so far? Yes. Okay, cool.
Looking at the Beastmaster as a band, I think this hero is definitely pickable, especially
with the Keeper of the Light pairing.
This is something that a lot of carries really hate to play into because you don't have
the sustain.
You're just going to get outspanned by axes, by this light coming out from Keeper.
And also, I think Pango might be band-worthy as well.
They're probably going to be looking into a hero, either that or Tiny.
They don't have the pick out of the phase, so Mouse can definitely grab one of those.
want to have some kind of a mid laner or safe laner tiny in this case which also can be flexed at
mid lane that is going to be utilizing that chakra magic. Yeah but again I will really repeat myself
here with keeper light you are one wrong pick away from your draft just being complicated
because of the lack of lockdown the fact that you're forcing yourself into this like
tempo utility game where the keeper light wants to push people forward so they need to make sure
that the picks are just ensuring that you know forward thinking style of play like I want to
I want to see the Kez carry with a Tusk support and then you're now fighting around doing some silly shenanigans, your mid is like the pangor that you mentioned, like I want to see Skirmish if you pick Keeper Light, you're not just ASK farming.
It's a little bit of an odd one, unless they want to be getting maybe Timbersaw for the
Y.
This is the hero that comes to my mind straight after seeing Luna and seeing what the Y, this
is his most played hero, so to me this makes sense.
Otherwise, maybe there's some scrim info that they have.
I mean, he burned out in the final phase.
He burned out Luna and Lifestealer, then to pick the Axe.
So it's like the Axe is central.
I think most of his like stable blind pick pool you don't really want the Lunar or Laster against it
but we've lost a list in the pool they would probably pick the vise here on 18 and then protect it there
still fun great options I get I love the Timbersoul idea I think because you have
Cottle you can just pick it you buy Lotus you don't really care you have a dispel now to get
rid of the solar bind I'm also taking some time 50 seconds of reserve time left for the second phase
burn. Yeah, unusual. They still burn out that
thimbrosology we've talked about. And we got the undying straight out of that one.
I would prefer if this on deep side. Yeah, like we talked about the stuns like you need
to be able to keep them in place, keeper of the light undying like you are heavily committing
to a team fight with your full tempo. Yes, but I might be okay if this is some like maybe
depending which direction they want to go. Look at the stats and then I'll finish that
sentence. Yeah, okay. Offlane. I don't want to see offlane undying. Never mind, even with the combo,
maybe just put it in the safe lane. That's the support, correct? Yes. Just to make sure there's no
carry. Carry undying now, I think. No armlet to Equisaber. Oh, that's got to note, you said
I'm back in the conversation now, but yeah, you have Kotal, you have undying. It is, you are
screaming at LGD that we are going to play through lanes and we are going to, you know,
We're just snapping early Roshan with an undying, we're gonna try and just have immense amount
of heals against you.
But with no stun, no wits, actually lock heroes down and-
Everybody can just run away from them.
Yeah, and again, now three more picks from us to try and fix this problem.
But I will be bewild- I will be angry, actually.
If I see only one stun picked out of the next two heroes, frustration will be very visible
on this panel.
Is that wits' Windranger then?
Yeah, I smell can also play it
There was like one particular game where he legit rushed
Hydra's breath as his item. I think it was like I
Can't remember if it was a ti or if it was some tanky boy probably
We had those issues, but I want to see
Something to keep them in place because this type of the draft doesn't really work. It's a lot of healing
imagine keeper of the light with his holy locket with the illuminate heals soul
rips on relatively short cooldowns and this is a hero that we wanted to see so
at least it's something that's gonna be from the safe lane I assume and then
now we're looking for potentially an off-lane or even though they do see carry
to carry matchup
I mean the stable pick is you just go for the central here and then you have your
time you're sent to or you've got multiple ways but it is before I'm dying okay and I know we've
seen Nico doing it a couple times but on dying mid and for the mouse supreme doesn't do that they
only picked it because they saw an earth spirit and Nico was like I can land against the earth spirit
I'm happy there wasn't really anything else behind it I mean if anything like mouse they're just
trying to take the fight to wits and it's like we're gonna just put such a big hero in front of you
that you have to defend yourself and we'd I know I literally said before the
job that I want wits to feel more pressure early on undying he does that
he he can fall off in certain games but he will be able to like stand his
ground and through a lot of spells at the carry the ring most is very nice
into the bane of course being able to save with the escape act always
mitigates the scaling of the grip is a little bit more control like one more
for control please boss good it's also the I'm a total is that completely out of
the question it can be but it's a pretty place it you know yeah no don't worry I
don't want to see I don't want to see like many complications coming up from
mouse now it looks good you have this besides for drops of through the roof
Yes, ringmaster. I've been falling for this hero. I feel like this hero is a little underrated problem with the hero is he is like all of his spells are skill shots.
So if you miss your abilities, you're going to like it exposes because very great. Pretty much. You need some kind of a setup as well.
So I think tiny is going to be fixing that issue. He loves heroes that go in first and there's good amount of magic or mixed damage coming out.
Keeper of the Light can amplify some of that damage with the Solar Bind,
percentage-based damage for the later portions of the game with the dagger.
It's a 6% max HP once the daggers are maxed out, so it's got a lot of damage coming up from him.
But for Oji, I kind of like the idea of just the Necro being the offlane for Devai, right?
Like, you see the Tiny just slapping him in that lane.
Like, Devai is just going to free farm, he's going to be a menace to deal with,
and then brings the supports to have freedom to make their moves.
I kind of like it. We don't often see it in the offlane role, but in this draft,
it is going to be quite a nice little option to be fair the flexibility of
their two cores like wind like you said wind could be carry mid necro could be
any three coral but realistically wind carry necro flame is where I'm sitting
right now I'd be okay with some like maybe even invoker that could come out
I'm looking at invoker maybe dragonite that can come out for LGD I like invoker
because you have a Lackardy wind ranger you have Sunstrike set up with both
supports it's with Bane it's kind of guaranteed to land that soundtrack but
the Dragonite would be my other choice because I think the damage on Maus is
very very limited it is a hero that can just hold his ground with Necro with
two supports with the saving capabilities I think that Necro would be
unkillable. Well that's why the Dragonite has been banned out and we'll see
where LCD will take this one and if Sumail is playing the hero that
bell picked last or if there's any... So Bruce, ooh, a rare Void Spirit joins the fray. I have been
told that this is the worst of all the spirits.
Played against the occult brothers, they did win that game.
You've got to just be very good old boys, right?
Yes, you know, so people say it's the worst one, it's because they're projecting, they can't play it.
Ah.
Um, no, it is the weakest of the boys, but, no, I mean, in this game, you have the Earth Spirit
Band, the Embers Band, you don't really want to pick the Storm Spirit based on just win rates of the
tournament, Seymour has played already. His job is find the backline. When Tiny and Dying
are always looking forward, you just want to go, alright, I can stop this guy from hailing,
I can stop Muge from having good positioning to enable the bane. It's just an information
based hero to allow other people to shine.
They're listening, Sheaver. We talked about Clanks, that it might come out as a response.
They had success against the Andex and also what happened in game number one. 4-2-3, they
I felt the feel very comfortable on clinks in that series and not the best hero against
like Necro, but it's and Windranger, if we're talking about like the matchups, maybe not
so much against any of the heroes to be honest, because you have Art Willow, you have Void
Spirit, their control is pretty much tiny, all of these heroes can use their abilities,
whether it's a Ghost Shroud, or a Windranger using her Windrun.
You're really silly.
It looked like two and then I looked at the rest and then it didn't feel as good anymore.
I'm taking that back.
I kind of look at the clean since I...
Unless you...
I want to see him win the lane basically.
Somehow step up, try and put a lot of frown to Necro.
And then through that, you have to think about the mid lane.
Like when you have a tidy the voice for it, whoever gets the 6 minute rune, 8 minute, 10 whatever,
they will dictate most of the game.
We have a traditional, you know, two playmaker mids who want the runes,
who want to break the side lanes.
I sure I think the clean spirit is kind of like a
Sure, but it's good. It ties the draft together
It brings the most supreme tiny who can play with coddle they group up together
They have insane amount of heels coming out the insane amount of you have ringmaster
You have keeper of the light with the holy lock at clings. He eats one of the skellies
They are deceptively tanky on this mouth side. So we've seen the stats on the off lane on dying 0 and 5
Yeah, yeah, it might be 0 6
Yeah, yeah, that might be like high chances. I could not tell you who's been in this game off the game one
It's like someone might use a spell correctly. What needs to go well for non dying to have a good time and as an off-laner
Why hasn't it succeeded?
That's basically it so don't make it good
I think it's one of those few heroes who can like one big one bad item decision can to make this hero
Completely fall off the cliff. Hmm a lot of pressure that may be on boom to make sure that that item progression is stable
is secure because mouse if they don't win this game they will be eliminated and
that would be not a good thing for them we want to see a third game but of
course LGD does not want to see a third game and they also want to win this
game because that means they can spot in the playoffs let's see what's gonna
happen with Audi Pixel and fogged. There we go GBS game two time here and can you
see something a little bit different right we're getting a voidsprit coming
out last from LGD they've done it before but some of the not really a lot of teams
are looking to do. Sumail on it, of course, we can expect big things. Were you surprised
to see or just sort of see why Sumail would have made the call for the void spread this
game? I can see why. He wanted a backline jumper, right? You see Ringmaster, you see
even like the Coddle. These are super fragile. Some of these squishiest backline heroes, so
if he can just access to get to that backline, he can kill them almost instantly in the start
of the fights. A lot of different items that he can go for this game that are very good
too. I think they just wanted a Vessel Buyer in particular, which he probably will go since
They're playing versus, you know, tiny high HP, undying high HP and multiple sustained heroes
So I think he just wanted that right someone to start the fight without a blink dagger since they have a necro as well
So it does feel like it ticks all the boxes. I quite like what they have again on the side of LGD
I was
Yeah, I really like they had in the last game took them a little bit to execute it this one. It does look strong again
snaking
Looking like you might give up first blood is snaking caught in the river
up trying to give it to supreme I'll be able to do so supreme getting to start
this game with first blood and I think that's like obviously great to have for
supreme but overall for their lineup I want to see them come out of these lanes
with an advantage you're picking doom are you picking the undying coddle we've
seen this one struggle quite a lot this tournament it's also every game right
the call the undying offline in particular but with the car 0 and 5 it
was 0 5 yet and one of them was a coddle and dying game so see how they do in
this lane map because it does not feel the easiest. I think we're else is just dead.
Oh. Oh, actually it's the fairfire. It's gonna be fine. That's the sound of the ready as well.
We'll be able to survive here. That's to be very careful though. This is an incredibly strong lane
that they do have on the side of LGD. Even if it is into this undying, it's a lot of just
poke and harassment that comes in from the Windranger. And difficult for you to always get
the decays on these two. That does not sound like good news for the undying at all. You know what
We're not seeing this hero winning the off lane.
Bottom, he out. Not winning the trade versus Moose right now.
Might just die. He does.
Alright, he's the one there for Moose.
I've seen this one go both ways too.
The way the ringmaster versus the willow harassment comes in.
Divy also potentially could take a bit of damage here.
Moose is playing this lane nice.
Love to see ringmaster. I think I mean the cost in the same vein with the way how much we like this hero
It's just a hard hero to play overall, but versus Bane you have some natural ways to play same thing versus metropos
Skateback's gonna be
Pretty clear when you want to cast it
Mid lane 2 male is dump steering
11 3 to the 5 and 1 right now sure there's a couple creeps coming in but still already at this point
That's an amazing start when it's the time you got the first blood
That's very true. I mean, you do of course have some very nice animations and
with the pulse to get the CS but Supreme would have suddenly been helping
for a little bit more on this guy. So that was just trading with him pretty effectively here and getting the extra
12, 5 to 7, 2 and that's the time you got first blood. Alrighty.
And top lane we're already seeing the result of the Bane Windranger.
Double ranged heroes poking undying. Undying likes to play mostly versus a melee carry.
Spamming the decays even a strength hero in particular of course being the dream
This came not the case. I
Do think they have the work cut out for the moment because that's the thing in terms of the overall game
It's not a game. Yeah, does the undying have rights? It's gonna be tough in these fights. Yeah tombstone
They have a lot of ways to address it
Almost ends up finishing off moves. Yeah, it feels like they have an insane amount of answers to the undying
There's high magical burst, natural spirit, vessel, buyer, way to focus fire him as well.
And just a Necro, right? Necro in general, playing versus two cores that are strength.
That Heartstopper in these teamfights is absolutely going to be relevant.
Kind of surprised that they did pivot this much with their draft this game, wanting the clinks.
They keep sending the Tiny to mid lane, sending the Undying to top.
to top. 8-4-2-3 just really did want to play this on Divide. It's taking big damage but
has heals. Does he have enough targets? Close! They got it! He dies. So getting the kills
at least there on this bottom lane mouse. Some things elsewhere just looking pretty
the mid lane, not a great situation that Supreme's in.
Supreme in this matchup, he decided that when he got the first blood, he bought a wand.
So that's a bit interesting to me. I'm sure you're going to get some of these sticks,
but that doesn't feel like the most valuable one to trade.
Sure, it doesn't feel like your stick's filling up, right?
Yeah.
Against the void spirit.
And you see, Mel's just playing it very beautifully here as the bottle refills as well too.
Top, they'll take the runaway as well, so Supreme doesn't get a fill up.
These are very most here 14 to 26 both. So now did run the show the last game
Has opportunity to do this game as well to this not the best catch for a spirit as well, too
When you look at things
It's the tiny and then if ringmaster can't set up the spouse, but ring it
You're getting jumped in a lot of situations when you're playing versus these spirits
So it's very difficult for you to land your abilities freely
And divide did die once but I don't think you should die a second time down here go shroud
I hope he puts the point in it for pretty much guarantees his survival down here
Yeah, what's not feeling any pressure whatsoever versus the Sun dying at the moment
Morales will start to stack but snaking I imagine he's gonna look to block these stacks
Don't let them just yeah thrive off of it
Very easy for him to do as well pain
What are the best heroes versus coddle to be honest you can just walk at him
There's not much coddle to do to threaten you in the early game
Put them again, they're trying to stun their ground to trade, but...
...2-3 is taking quite a bit of damage each time they do try and go for this, and I'm saying now that the levels are in for Devide, it's not as likely that they'll be able to successfully push for a kill.
No, not an easy lane for 4-2-3 at all. Sure, he's got 30 last hits, but he's being kept very low. He had to buy a raindrop. He's bringing extra regen too. Well, Necro...
...I mean, he just has built-in regen, of course, too, so he'll be able to out-efficiency him in this lane.
Yeah, you're not harassing Devide out of the lane now anymore.
Even though they've got three kills, you can see that they're completely crushing the lanes at the moment.
And here comes Snake, he's seeing a low clink on the bottom lane.
Does get the heal up with the death pact.
Can they get some sort of angle? They are stepping away from the tower here.
They see some trim moves.
They've got the ward too, so they see exactly where the clink is.
Well, those are gonna be at the ready.
That's 4-2-3, he's in a fair bit of trouble here, we have to get a bit of safety inside of the box.
Nice heals.
And I'm looking around to get back under the tower, Moose. Unlikely to be as lucky to, don't get dropped down Moose, still dies, Boom.
But the snaking was some amount he's rotated over. On top of it also has to control the drag back, Boom.
And that's the core undying.
Undying and miles don't get any kills out of this they lose two is possibly three
The by dropping down the tips on to boom as he knows that they're gonna be bringing down this undying double kill for divide
Nothing from that move I
Guess feeling I mean almost like that. He's desperate in a way. He's not really getting much in the top lane either
He tries to make this move
That is really grim Owen
Perfect rotation from snaking, they get all the benefits from it and more.
They kill the tombstone too, right?
So three kills plus the tombstone, plus forcing TP's and a courier.
So that's pretty much like 2,000 or 3,000 gold game in just a few moments.
And Witz might even be able to get the wisdom.
Oh, he's close.
That was very close, nearly pushed off Morales in time.
Might still get the kill.
Boom.
Can he help Morales out? He cannot.
So it's doesn't manage to steal the wisdom, but does get himself a kill
Oh, this is this is a concerning start when they picked they picked undying to dumps there to win lanes
It's not happening. I clings as well too as a hero that likes to play with the lane when they've lost all three lanes
I mean it does feel kind of like another off-lane and dying and another what what is going on with the teams this here in this position?
It's now
It's not looking great, Samel on the other hand, he's looking fantastic here on his mid void spirit one zero two, cleans up another one, but
Yeah, just it's
Surely at some point it's got a stompfog
Doesn't look that strong and with the skill build he's went for too, right?
He went for the tombstone build rather than the soul rip, which I've seen a lot of times
They do prioritize more in soul rip early so they can use the chakra to its most benefit
I mean, is this just something that's been crazily strong in high-level pubs?
I mean, yeah, it went to I, so that's one of them, right?
So, it is incredibly strong. You just have to be very specific and very comfortable with it and in good matchups.
This is a hard matchup for this Undyne.
He's gonna get saved by the box.
Not for long though, he still goes down.
Turning up again, even with the carry here, moving up to the mid 4-2-3, but they are unable to kill anyone.
They have very little catch and control versus super elusive heroes.
even the clink's turning up, you know, Lacoste did say it at the end there too, when you look at it,
every single hero has a way to kind of dodge and play around the clink. Even Bane, sometimes these
five positions can, you know, just die, right, because the clink finds you. Bane isn't one of those
heroes that just dies if you find him as a clink, either. So phenomenal start right now for LGD.
The Vi's gonna have a pretty early radiance this game. Sumail, super active, even carrying a dust,
He wants to kill the cliques again
How do you even sort of start to turn around this early game?
Who do you look towards on mouse?
What is your greatest strength in this early game?
I still pretty much have to turn up to every single one of the fights
It feels like to stop some of the pressure, but he could just die because he's playing versus Necro.
Oh boom
It's not getting any funner for him up here.
You know that last game was you know for 30 minutes kind of close overall
Yes, this is dangerous
Trying to turn for Snake England. Snake has got a lot of back-ups, Sumail.
Making another rotation down to the bottom lane, takes our moves to side-down on a 4-2-3.
Getting outplayed, outmaneuvered all over the place.
I'm likely one of the faster radiances we do see in that off-lane.
Sumail just cruising, running the show. This is before he has the vessel.
Supreme unable to match these movements.
As we said, he was the tiny who got the first blood, and Sumail is just outmaneuvering me, outlining him.
I mean, it really is. It looks like you did. I mean, this is, you know, kind of coming
into this tournament, right? When you source up the lineup and you know the potential to
these players, there was a little bit of this, there's kind of expected, right? It's like,
these guys, we know that they can do this against some of the teams that haven't had
as much success in the past. And here against Malz, this sort of outcome in the first 10
It's kind of like, well, how come we've not been seeing more of this from LGD?
I think sometimes it does take teams some time to mesh together.
That last game, even, it did take them a little bit to build that kind of momentum,
which it felt like it was going to come sooner.
Because DeVy, as they said, I think he was like 1-1-2 in a pretty early blink-blade mail game,
and he didn't get that many kills.
But either way, able to accelerate this one, they're hitting the shrine.
They just look very confident with these heroes in particular.
That's what I'm seeing, at least.
Yeah, all lanes getting completely destroyed, 6k lead at 10 minutes does not happen to us.
Yeah, and especially when you're running a lineup that has sort of the greaider elements like this
Necrophos offlane that's going for this radius of course, and it's going to be there. Pretty record timing for Devai.
And these stacks that they've made, you know, the Cato Morales did spend a lot of time stacking those ancients. They're spotting it right now.
They don't have the best ways to steal it, I would say, on the side of LGD.
They probably would have to bring like all five and even then it looks weird for them to contest it, but they can fight around it.
And that's the vessel already finished up, as we said. An amazing vessel game.
Yeah, bring sometimes this hero if you do fall behind, it's similar to Invane, kind of the disruptor, where it's hard to use your abilities properly when you do fall behind.
I'm watching around the mid.
It's just, it's so slow that this boy's gonna come to succeed with a stun.
As soon as someone shows to get the jump for supreme, he's there with the counter play,
but it's just not enough burst to threaten some ale.
As you jump away from the four of them, and he's the only stun, he is the only real control
Cher Moons has ulti, but again, it's incredibly difficult to land this one versus Void.
They stay. Maybe they can set up for him here.
He's gonna be okay. I mean, he's living.
They knew that they had to sort of hold back for chasing for their support kill at the time that it was giving for Divide to connect.
Divide, the Radiance is done. Can go to the natural build up into travel and shard, Witt's playing just very confident up top since there's not much control and catch for him.
7k lead, continues to grow in power rune, it's going to be there for Sumail again.
Nine mouse, they're like, okay, well at least we can farm the ancients, we've got two suns,
so we'll be able to clear that one out.
What are the rough or early games I've seen from them?
And dying again, as you said, potentially looking at a sixth loss in the offlane.
I mean, it's very likely.
I mean, this is the thing, right, it's tough as well when you're this far behind,
behind and you've got two cores right the undying and the tiny both wanting to
go this blink dagger first build even when the blink daggers there it's it's
like does it get much better they don't have great damage yeah you're jumping in
and then what it's a very difficult spot the mouse has found themselves in now
they know that the lanes went pretty miserable and now there's just not
much they can do they need to just wait for supreme to have a blank and then
and just hope he can make a ton of space with it,
and the clinks can give some information with it,
but yeah, these timings are going to be very, very slow.
And they might not even have the damage
when they get the jumps.
Very unlikely right now.
I don't think they will.
Unless sort of full two, three is perfectly in position
to lay down the damage, and even then.
Void Spirit already having 1600 HP.
Tiny combo.
Not gonna be enough.
It's gonna need a shocker plus another one.
Best early game I've seen from LGD. At least I think we've casted it as well too.
Just really decimating good movements from the supports.
Taking the boxes to another block in the camps, so even preventing the extra farm.
That really seems as well that the Samael Void Spirit was a perfect answer to the Supreme Tani Mid.
Absolutely destroyed him in the CS.
It's that attack speed, right? You could see it. Every single time Tani is swimming,
he was able to get like two or three swings against those extra denies.
even though it was a first blood piney we're gonna try for some years before
supreme has the blink dagger done though still turn to shore maybe feeling
desperate because they don't want to lose their wisdom they might actually be
able to steal the wisdom to four two three is sneaky
yeah yeah ten K down but couple of shrine of wisdoms going their way here
14 minutes. Yeah a little something does not feel like it changes the state of the
game by any means though. The blink it's done as you said not super easy for them
to connect with the kills. Sumel, damp damage.
I think if you could try and save him, but not gonna be able to come out with anything
in time, suck.
Yeah, Moose can't walk up, he knows he'll die if he does show himself.
Just no real front line at this point, even though it's a tiny undying where supposed to
be tanky, they're just not gonna look at versus the super fast radiance, the vessel.
LGD
Truly destroying this game shard about to be done also for divide. I was the perfect Tommy right 15 minutes to have radians
Port shot on that grow. That's the dream the literal dream even though you did die once that's been the only one
And if they're lined up right they don't I mean yes, they have a vessel buyer from the Cotto you could say but he's too poor
So not gonna have one to be able to purchase that
first the net crowd moves
Dead again
Yeah, as you said, this is the LGD that we are anticipating to see versus some of the
teams.
Looks like a pretty smooth sailing for this game.
If they manage to somehow let this one slip away from them, then that's going to be quite
something when they have such a lead at this early on, point of the game, 15 minutes in,
over a 90% win probability here according to the plus.
And it does feel like their heroes answer very well.
I'm really curious to hear from how it's like,
why they did want to do this full switch up, right?
I thought they were even flexing, cuddle mid,
but they full switch things up.
They put tiny mid, they pick a clink,
to get this clink.
They throw the untying off lane,
and it just feels like,
was this the best move you could have made
with these cores to put this on paper?
It didn't look like it in practice right now, we're seeing it.
Because that's the thing,
even if it was a little bit closer,
say this 11K disadvantage was like a 2K disadvantage,
It still feels like it wouldn't have been an easy lineup to play.
It does feel quite difficult and yeah, these undying off lanes just not working out.
Blink is done, but he's a support at this point, right?
A blink with max tombstone as well.
It does feel like it.
How's 4-2-3's Deso looking?
It still aways away.
They're going to have to look to moves, make moves though.
When he has Deso, they already have the blink on the tiny.
I want to see them kind of just sounds weird but move with these two to try it for some easy pick offs to make some space too but I
Don't know it looks so hard to kill any of these cores
Supremes gonna try to buy
Jump in they have the combo, but the sleep's there
And the grip locks down supreme
Device fine and now miles they're gonna suffer don't lose moves
Supremes gonna get fouled, Scythe's there ready to finish him off. They just couldn't make the play.
Yeah, they would have had him if it wasn't for Snipe, but Snipe reading the play perfectly gets the save.
He can just frame, right? Just one frame for Dubai, allows him to get the ghost shout off.
And then there's just no one at the touch. Yeah, then it's just completely over.
It's absolutely over there, when they're trying to make that move.
Great read from snaking. And looking at a skill build too. He knew this is coming.
He already won the lanes with one 2 build from his brain sap and his infeable.
Just goes for 4 points in nightmare.
Gets that extra cast range.
Taking out the right shale of wits.
One of the more one-sided affairs.
And the one move the mouse tries to make gets answered.
So now they're probably saying, okay, well now what do we do?
on a lot of options for them.
Samara now has the Aegis.
They're going to be ready to just continue to run at mouse any time.
They're going to see them out on the map on top to fly.
He's chilling, knows he's got staking by his side if necessary.
Yes, Nace is hugging him. He knows he's a guy.
This is the only one that they maybe can't kill.
It's very prepared for it.
Four, two, three, Deso's done, but it's very late that he's been picking it up here.
And just you have teamfight overall, right? Looking for Maus.
Choe, you've got Tombstone and Wheel, but with this deficit, you just have no damage for follow-up as we're seeing.
And Wits is just chilling, right? Wits is having... He's like, great job everybody.
I'm gonna just play Windranger, completely frayed. He's gets to go Mjolnir.
He gets to even go for a chill Dragon Lance rather than going for like BKB
Doesn't feel the need to rush that. Don't blame him
So now making all the space
Both games
Yeah, I've been great series on his spirits here tonight and this time doing around
On one of the ones that we I get to see a lot of the men's feel confident to pick up snaking. They will find him
and they turn it into more very difficult for them to look for Sumail but I
mean we might have to try but now I see a shield he's got he just keeps
connecting
all cores of LGD continue to farm uninterrupted as they they make these moves
around the map divide just getting absolutely massive on the necrophos
they've got great information behind bottom too they saw the clings they saw
the ringmaster, Sumel wants a kill. They'll be able to TP out, at least able to survive
here but Snake King is setting up a trap on the game. If Moose goes through he's going
to get caught. He's got 4-2-3 with him and Snake King having all the info. 4-2-3, he's
going to be able to run. So they're up to just sort of sit back and settle here for the
side kill on moose. How hard do they want to go for this play up here? This looks dangerous.
Snakeings at the ready to protect the Vi. The Viper's in front of him. He has to try
and go for the burst but it's not enough. He can save himself at this point. Just gets the
ghost shroud off. And now the tombstone. Nick, let's kill it. That's going to be a tombstone kill
and an undying kill.
It's a tough one.
It really is.
It's...
You know, dying off lane continues.
Yeah, it's a tough way to go out maybe on this series for miles.
This game two...
I mean, game one, definitely saw some hope from them.
But this game two, they got the first blood,
and that was kind of it.
That really was.
You have to win lanes.
If you're playing undying off lane, it has to win the lane.
It has to feel the pressure at the least here, just not the case, even TP's bottom when he's level 4 it dies and gives Tombstone, that was the worst case scenario for Boom.
And then the concerning thing is, his other two cores are about the same net worth as an Undying that lost the top lane pretty rough.
Yeah, a real tough one for Supreme, I honestly somehow just crushed him in the mid-matchup even though he did get that first blood.
I don't know if they got anything that they're closing in on next.
Not anything, mate.
Not really.
BKB's a while off for Supreme.
I feel like you can't buy BKB.
I think you have to go aggressive because you're just so far behind.
I think the BKBs aren't going to save you at all at this point.
Let's go, Barry Grimm.
Another one coming up here for Somal.
Very likely.
I see that actual steps about being used so I won't be able to chase him for Morales.
David by Sumela Gem, so he can always take out all the wards.
Is he just running around the map, right?
He's going to take out the wards and potentially find the Clinks as well.
Now, Wit says, Fulcrum has the BKB pretty much done on top of the Mjolnir.
And he got to go for the Dragon Lens in between too, so it's super nice for him.
Clinks is up here, 4-2-3, trying to find some sort of area of the map that he can feel safe in.
Heal the court, knows someone's in the trees.
He's got him.
He'll be able to catch moves, which will turn up.
He wants to try and take the kill for himself.
He'll get it with the power shot.
And Somal, and he's playing around with Supreme once again.
Supreme trying to get Somal off him.
Astral snap's going to be back up in a couple of seconds
if Somal wants to dive this, he can get the kill.
He certainly will.
Knows that there's absolutely nothing that can threaten him
even up at the tier two of the enemy side.
Somal looks like he's smirking a little bit in this lobby.
It's a rough one
Pretty pretty much honestly, we did have a I guess we had a short game
I read a 19 minute game we did that game was also a seven minute game
Let's be honest with you that can get it but before the lanes even finished
It might not be the most one-sided game about it, but definitely probably the second. Yeah
4 to 20
17 K lead and
GD
They'd like to find the clinch, 4-2-3's getting a little bit of space.
I like what he's doing.
He's farming in kind of these risky areas, but he's getting away with it.
He's getting some money, some progress.
I like that he's at least pushing the limits, right?
He could just be farming in safe positions.
He's cutting creep waves, so he's at least making it annoying.
Slightly annoying for the side of LGD.
That's really all it is.
It's like a bug on your arm.
Divide.
Manta already finished at this point.
He's just untouchable.
Boom, jumps.
Link in
Drop the tombstone down. He's dying
He's gonna get the heal off will be able to hide in the tombstone, but moose has already gone
All two three trying to do some damage to woods does a decent amount
Not bad, you know boom does actually survive gets away off the tombstone is taken down
They're thinking about re-jumping, but the rest is coming here comes to me
Oh, yes, now he's already gonna find four two three straight away off to the side of the fight four two three has to go immediately for the TP out
Well, Supreme's still sticking around, just in case there is some sort of angle to go in on this.
He will try to sleep again, he's going to be there to protect Whitz, Shackle comes out and returns, Supreme.
He tried to go for it. In this position, he kind of have to.
Yeah, but doesn't happen, Snake King, more than ready.
I think he has enough HP to survive it anyway, to be honest, with the heal from the Necro and Strike Trades, but either way, Snae, getting the save.
Just way too far ahead. Way too prepared for the moves. Decent damage as you said though.
He didn't have the win run after, so he was getting quite a bit there from the clink
split. Yeah, just the fact that there's this far ahead. Boom. Careful.
He'll show himself for a second. Sumail. Does find the D-word. He gets to go for the
fun build of this game. It's got the witch blade, the kaya yasha. Oh, Morales. He's gonna
haste. That's probably gonna save him.
Well, Samel's gonna keep chasing just in case. Snake's trying to cut him off. Couldn't quite find him.
And here's 4-2-3, right? Pushing the envelope, trying to find these opportunities to get this extra farm.
Not too bad for him. He's getting closer toward the Agadims
It's a massive mountain to climb of course, but one step closer for him
Oh as Morales, I think snaking has found him
He's been slippery though. He is. He's taking them all to try and find him up there
That's got moves of fortune tree by a side but some house actually gonna get the jump first of all onto 4-2-3
They missed the wheel. Snacky's gonna try and turn with the grip
Does end up dying.
Somayo, can you get the cleanup against the three of them?
They'll split.
And they might just be able to get out of that.
Scythe comes in from the side to take out Moose.
And they're going to still fight 4-2-3 to the other corner to fight.
So the fight will get the double.
They're going to kill Mouse. They're able to take out the pain.
But still losing two and losing 4-2-3 who have been doing its best to try and find some sort of way to recover this game.
Do we actually have the technology for something really quick?
Do we have a heat map? I know we haven't asked for it once this tournament, so I'm sorry to do it
I believe we do. Can we get a Sumail heat map on this game if there's a possibility for it?
Because I think it'll show up the whole map right?
If we can it's I don't know if we can't so I'll go down for either way
You guys can see what I'm talking about right?
Like he's been literally everywhere getting tips from his team too so yeah
It's been quite a treat to see from him this game because he's bottom appears top goes mid right? It really is everywhere
If we don't have a tech it's fine
Parasmo super in two so even more damage it's gonna be coming out
That looks all right to me so now one spot they hasn't really been in his own
jungle other than that it's been everywhere yeah I thought you meant the
enemy base I was gonna say yeah but indeed doesn't seem far off it never
has hit those two the two sidecamps the offlane camps I like it
Good man.
Okay, we can get rid of it now, I figure.
This is blocking the whole screen. Boom!
Gets inside his tombstone.
There he is, his dead again.
I mean, surely, when a game goes this rough, when you play the offline and dying,
it's gonna put you off playing it again for a little bit of time, right?
Yeah.
I know I need sort of a slight on boom just just having to find himself in a situation where he's playing against this lineup
It does not he's like you can't be having fun. No, it never feels good to play this hero from behind
Yeah, it's a snowball hero for a reason. Oh
God, what have I done to us? We have no mini map. I'm so sorry everybody
I mean you it would blame some out for making all these
To a he map
Divy, Shield, Running Throat, he has a full heart. They do not have the damage from...
They didn't even before, especially with the saves from snaking.
There we go, now we can see again, thank you very much.
But again, if Maus make a comeback, this would be their biggest one.
Yeah, biggest one of this tournament.
Maybe even biggest one of the year.
I don't know, we had some crazy 30k comebacks at TI.
But this early on when they've been that you know
Later in the game, right?
So much burst from some now trying to get him out of this
Look at the Lotus in the solar peel. They've got good saves
They do pop flash golem
Anticipating a fight, but they'll just wait they're gonna smoke and look for a different angle
Yeah, it could be one of the biggest comebacks, one of the biggest throws of the year, you
might be honest.
This game turns around, that would be a wild, as everything very much pointing towards
LGD, probably going to be able to close this up in the next five minutes.
Devices to be able to walk up and see him, he's got the BKB TP, and he'd be able to close
the gap snaking.
GRIPS THAT!
That's a pre-
He's gone
I just, I don't know
I just, I'm really curious to see why they did pivot like this
when it's in a-
when it's in that one in the game
It just feels like the-
the one of the massive Necro games I've seen
Yeah, it does feel like they made the game a whole lot harder
Especially off the back of the fact that we saw in last game
You know, it's not like Maus are unable to kind of
stand toe-to-toe with LGD
They gave it a pretty close shot
in the majority of the-
the early game into the mid-game of Game 1
Right, because when you look at our paper
If you look at him, he's off the neck of his clink, so he's good versus physical, and versus two strength cores.
Snakey will get brought down, 4-2-3 is able to get a kill.
I mean, that would be the thing, isn't it?
If this game turns around, it's probably going to be large in part down to 4-2-3.
So if he can do this on the clink, he may be one of the greatest carries.
Yeah, true.
If he can turn this one around, down 28-6.
He's doing 25k lead.
He's doing more than I thought he would.
When you consider the scenario that he's in, it's not terrible. It's not terrible at all what he's managed to find out of the map.
He's level 19, he's got at least one or two of his core items.
If he could get the Daedalus and the MKB on top of this Ag's Deceville, he's gonna hurt.
And he can hold a little bit on the defense.
It will be him versus the world.
He needs to play pretty much the perfection if he does want to try to turn.
It would be a true 1v9 situation.
He would have to do it to perfection, not sleight, but has to be perfect.
Speaking of that, Roche, LGD, ready for the fight.
Sumail walking forward, jumps instantly straight up towards Boom.
This is going to be there.
Confirmed down on both of them to find which is ready to move in.
I'm driving the focus fire onto Boom.
I'm taking down, now look towards Moose.
Pick damage though coming in front, 43W.
It says to step back a little bit, but Grif's there.
Snake King finding the key target has to lock down on the clink.
And Supreme?
They're probably going to be able to get all five of them now.
Never mind, PKB's up.
Supreme likely to be able to save himself with that,
but the rest of the four of them dead.
Supreme can't jump in.
He was looking like he wanted to.
I think something stopped his blink dagger
when he was trying to get the jump onto Witt's there,
but yeah, can't actually find the angle.
Witt's hydro breath evaporates boom
quickly into the rush.
Yeah, most confident I've seen LGD play as well.
Because they did have some games where they just stepped back and played as aggressive.
This is not one of those games, Sumail. Truly in its element. 11-0 and 12.
When you see this, right, it makes you want to play Void Spirit.
This is one of those amazing skills.
I mean, it's a super fun era to play. I can guarantee it's going to make Sumail want to play more.
Yeah.
If they do indeed get the win and continue here at Valakia, there's a high chance we'll see more of the Sumail Void Spirit going on in this tournament.
Yeah, when you're looking at it on paper too, right?
There's like only one disabled form, so it does look like a pretty damn good game for him.
And that one disabled form was his matchup in the mid, and he's like,
guys, don't worry about that. I'll keep Supreme in a held behind,
and he certainly has been able to kill him off yet again.
12, 0, and 12.
30 KB, 32 minutes in. We're hitting that 1K already.
What's...
Well, who's 4?
He's gonna try and out my boom, but I gotta get out numbered, yes, again.
That's boom, and moves, go down.
Tier 2 tower on the bottom lane. Also to be taken out, they're taking out all Tier 2s now.
Have to close it up, get the buys in.
And we've latched the shackle completely, but they don't need to.
The fortification.
One of those situations where on the plus side, because you're having a bit of a rough time, you're not dead for too long.
too long so that'll be backed up relatively soon to try and hold the defense here on the
high ground nice overlining now.
This bottom racks and taken away is LGD.
I can do whatever they want right now.
I can stick around the base they can head back see how safe they want to play it.
It's sort of a lead. They don't need to be safe at all. It seems to close this one up
Snaking even a split second from catching the clink stew there
All right final hurrah toss back under tier fours with the clink speeding on people. That's your hope
Do they really want to try out the way stay gonna attempt to be has the
Aegis, and I'm gonna be able to get the ones to himself gonna be there and to buy some safety
for supreme on the tiny
I won't force them to back off a little bit, at least for some type of reaction.
Can't get anything out of it though, which no hesitation, just pops the BKB disengages.
Maybe we can get that Daedalus.
I think you get the MKB.
Then maybe you kill one of them.
I think you get the MKB and you get a Rampier.
I guess that's what you do, the extra price I think, can be over finishing off the full day unless you're right, alright?
He has to go for the win, Ranger.
And then maybe you're killing someone.
At the start of these moves when LGD's jumping on you.
It's a big baby, though.
It's a big old baby.
Since he is the only damage dealer also on your playverse being, they can't just, you know, throw you absolutely everything onto him also.
Yeah, if they, indeed if...
Anytime they catch and kill the clink, they fight so.
Yeah, there's nothing else to say.
Nothing outside of 4-2-3 right now that's gonna threaten LGD at all.
Trying to do math. It's almost two of the heroes of the side of LGD, all of the net worth.
Of the side of mouse. It's pretty close.
Back to the push in the mid, still a minute and a half left on the edges, they'll clean up the rest of the mid racks.
Boom nearly dies just to the poke. It's not even a commit and he almost does get brought down there
100% win probability has been hit 41,000 lead
4-2-3
My snaking of the ghost is there
The sleep onto him somehow jumps for us to pull back with the red and caught by the fall
4-2-3 dead outside the base
Supreme will fall and I'll cut him with a double buyback. They did kill snaking
So not empty-handed, but not with much more to write home about as they'll lose boom.
He does have buyback. See what they go for here.
4-2-3's been caught outside in the base. They'll finally tap out.
They've had enough. GG's called. LGD taking this series 2-0.
And coming in with one of the bigger stops that we've seen at this Palakia so far in this game too.
They can do it for they can turn up and just absolutely cross your team for a minute zeros
It seems they were the better team you could clearly see it both the games right?
We could see some strike back there from miles at least in the first one
But this one an out draft an outclass and look at two male. Yeah, it was a two-male show
Absolutely. Yeah, we'll certainly be seeing more some out voids brown show and the rest of this tournament 14 0 15 LGD
Take the series to zero against miles
Yeah, we said this void spirit is the worst of the spirit unless played by a good player and guess what smells pretty decent tea
Decent my guys that came for a reason look at him. He's driving the map. He's killing everything me a la costa nine
That's the correct English we sighed when we saw mouse's draft. We were like, where's the stuns?
Where's the earth? Where's the mmm and they had none of it because LGD. They just
It was obliterated and it was kind of a sad one to watch.
They had no sauce. It was a bit of a dry one, I gotta say.
They didn't have much to work with.
First of all, Tiny, he's the only stun.
He's the one who gets the first blood, but he still gets obliterated in the lane.
Oh, but I'm so good at it.
Here we go. Got it out eventually.
And it does feel like they needed this Tempo Belt.
They needed to win the Offlane with this Undying plus Caudal combination.
The offlane, they killed Necro once, but that was just an early kill, the Vi still had a very good timing on this.
Radiance continued to farm up, and I think this fight shows that how tanky he is, the rest of the team, they are behind him and they use pretty much everything.
Unable to get the kill and then Sumail with these early rotations as well, just setting up the tempo for the game.
Yeah, I feel it's just nice to see Sumo return to this type of dominating performance.
he was creating these type of
scorelines, like the 16 one
voice for it against your cult,
for example. And then he kind
of like he faded away a little
bit. He went a little quiet
against XG Navarro. And today
he's like, Nope, here we are.
Here I am. I'm ready for the
playoffs. And yeah, it was just
a really, really scary game from
LGD. It was fun to watch him at
D. I when he was playing carry,
but he does belong that a
mid lane. This is where he
really thrives, and you can
definitely see the team that
and you can definitely see, like people always talked about him being the lane
dominator, it does show definitely skill check, the tiny in this one didn't have
much to do with and then completely dominated the map like with his
rotations early on and very nice kill participation as well coming out from him.
Yeah, it could only be 0.05% better in my opinion but it was extremely nice.
Back to you, Shiva.
I'm thinking really hard by the 0.5 could be that better than then they would be
0.10. No, but like you just removed it like that. I didn't mean like a literal better. I'm it more like
There's room for point zero five to be
Change plus minus in this scenario minus. Thanks for making me explain the joke shiva. I'm sure
Wonderful interview was laughing as well. I
Hope they're not listening right now. That's for sure. This is comedy on the broadcast
Thanks for laughing the cost. I do think it was
I almost feel like it was that we we saw great progression from LGD. Of course in the right direction
For miles it kind of felt like this game number two was a little bit of maybe an implosion
I don't know if this was it was this just a draft though
Like can they just you know brush it up? We saw on the chairs. There was nobody left there almost if I was on mouth right now
I would just be like this draft was just so bad that like we just have to blame it and go next because if you blame
other stuff. You're then going to have like weird like pointless conversations about map
movements and things that don't really net you constructive feedback. Like you have picked
Kotl. You randomly picked Undyne with no real merit. You flexed things around. You picked
the clink into multiple clients. Like it's just a bad draft. It happens some days.
So just bad draft go next. That's it. Or well, they don't have a next there out.
Yeah, go next tournament, next qualifier, like next happy memory. Like right now,
just forget this little bad memory. But with these players, keep your heads up, look for the future.
For happy memories. Yeah, and pursue your career. It's fine.
Snake King is, I would imagine, has some happy memories from this series and he's joining us.
All right, now it's Snake King. Congratulations on the series. How are you doing?
Thank you so much. Obviously, we're happy that we made it to playoffs. I think it was a,
we had a good start and then it became pretty bumpy. We went from 2-0 to 2-2. So obviously,
when it comes to elimination it gets a bit nerf racking I think for some of the newer
players like Witze is very young he's 18 years old so I think we had a pretty good showing
even though despite all that. I want to ask you about your new team obviously it's been a while
it's been three years since you were on a new team and it's been even five years since you even had
a new laning partner so I'm looking forward to hearing from you about that process has been like
for you? I think it's it's been harder than I imagined because I think I have been such a custom to
like my old teammates and everyone's play style and how they think about the game how they talk
and everything is new at this point like I literally have five new teammates I have four
new players and a new coach so it's like this harm is a lot about learning about each other and like
what we should be doing for each other and how to play for each other's strengths.
Yeah, and you guys' team is obviously very diverse. Regions diversity included there.
How did the team come together? Or rather, maybe even who put the team together? How did this happen?
I think it was mostly Boba and Sumel. I think I was contemplating either taking a small break
and just playing sub-plotters and waiting to join a good team, or if I have a good team
I join, and then they were already in contact with WIT, so they got N-Divy, and then they
talked to me, and then I thought the O was a pretty decent option as well, so then we
just decided to give it a shot, and I was happy that LGD gave us the opportunity as
well.
And then you have any expectations going in?
Is that something that you guys talked about, or is this just obviously the first tournament?
Just see what happens.
I think it's our first tournament as a complete brand new team with, like you said, many different diversity backgrounds.
So I think it's just a lot about gelling and like meshing and there's not really any expectations coming to this.
You know, we're just going to try our best and see how far we can make it.
Yeah, you started strong and then you had to win pretty much three series in a row when things don't go too well.
Like who leads the conversation in this team?
Um, I think on this team, it's mostly me, Simone, Bulba.
Like people have a lot of like like we have the most experience and the most opinions about the games and I think other people are pretty willing to listen so I think the dynamic is going pretty well so far.
And then going on to actually do you think some of the newer players on your team like the like not say no like divide theoretical and wits do you think they have a like potentially too much respect for you guys where it feels like they're playing personally it feels like they're playing a little bit more reserved in this tournament where on their previous teams.
They often were like the star player and like making these crazy plays, but at least in OGD
They seem a little bit more tame in this tournament. Um, I think it's it might be it's due to respect
But also it is due to I think the format that I envision how our team doing
Because I just want to give us more structure because I think more of the South American players, especially teams
I think they are very have a lot of talented players
But they don't necessarily have the good team formation and structure on how they should be playing the game
How should they be talking to each other and I've been trying to instill instill all those values
I've learned throughout the years into this team
So I think there's just been a bit of a learning process
For them and I think in the long run it will work out
Well, I think right now like when you're in the learning phase
You're gonna just fumble a little bit and mess up a little bit here and there but that's all good
You know, we're in it for the long haul
Yeah, I would say like your roster is probably like the most exciting roster that we've seen in like recent years
Like having all the players together like we don't often get that
So, thank you for being on the team and creating this opportunity for us.
Following that, now you're in playoffs, hopefully you get invited to more events.
But if you are to play qualifiers, do you know which region your team is going to be based in?
Will you be in China for Pajuta LGD?
Are you a European? Where do you land in regards to the team's base?
I think there's not really a base these days.
We will just be playing qualifier wherever it's convenient.
If we're in Europe, we should just play European qualifier before back home.
We probably should consider playing South America, because we have two South American players,
and maybe we'll just fly the Vi out and play on SA server.
If we're in China or LAN, then we should play the Chinese qualifiers.
I think it really depends on where we are given that time.
That makes sense. Thank you very much.
Alright, Snakey, thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us.
We're going to let you go back to your team so you can prepare for playoffs tomorrow.
Looking forward to seeing you guys play again.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
And this is, I mean, this was an exciting game.
I think for LGD, this is also the type of game that they needed.
Yeah, it's a morale booster as well.
But it comes down to, you know, them starting very strong.
Then they're like, oh, are we going to qualify or not?
The mouse is definitely a team that can cause the upset.
This is how this team has played.
They have very chaotic drafting, very chaotic gameplay in general.
So I think this is a sigh of relief for them as well.
also coming into the tournament, big boost when it comes down to other players as well.
Newly formed team, he talked about the newly new members of the team in terms of like them
not having that much experience.
I think this really works for them.
Of course, first time playing with the team, getting top eight immediately.
I think this team is just going to keep getting better and better.
Yeah, I just feel bad for him, I'll be honest.
He's the first Falcons that can't go player that doesn't have to observe.
Oh yeah, he's not that lucky.
I think that's just major props and respect to snaking because like he didn't choose the easy route like he could have easily gone. You know what? I'm just going to wait for like my superstar team. This is a very, very strong team on paper, but it's still one that you have to craft. You have to put a little bit of like attention to a lot of attention to yeah, yeah, but like if they if they achieve a lot of
Like he could have easily gone, you know what? I'm just gonna wait for like my superstar team
This is a very very strong team on paper, but it's still one that you have to craft
You have to put a little bit of like attention to a lot of attention to yeah
Yeah, but like if they if they achieve it if they become a staple like top 16 top 4 team
It is just further proof that like the likes of snaking he can't go to any team and make it
So I think I think puppy try to do the same thing with team secrets like once they stop being at the top like we got a
give him respect for what he tried to do. He tried to build multiple rosters. He could
have easily joined pretty much any team, but he wanted to build something different for
himself and the snaking is kind of doing the same thing again, but probably with slightly
more to achieve, I would say, considering that they have quite a lot of consistency with
the players that they have, some newcomers as well, but definitely a team that a lot
of people will be cheering for.
For sure, and luckily for us, we got to see a lot of them games because they made it all
way to the final day. We can take a look at how their journey through the Swiss bracket went,
and how the journey of every team went through this Swiss bracket that has come to a close,
but it is LGD that comes out on top at the end of the day, and um, took together with uh, with
of course a lot of other teams there as well. We got one win and Nemesis also today making it through
also with that, eliminating three more teams. Biggest standout of this bracket, T.
I'm just enjoying the fact that we have like this regional mix within the playoffs.
So I think that's the big standout, right? We've got North America.
We of course have, you know, China rocking up through XG, the LGD, Asterix, Org.
But no, I think I'm just, I'm just liking the distribution of teams that we have.
And I'm still very, very happy that XG is a 3-0 team.
I think they are, like, I'm so excited to see what they look like against Shandex,
because to me it's like they have the most unique identity and to beat Yandex you have
to be a team that plays their game. You can't be like trying to beat Yandex, you need to
be like Yandex can beat us. But because both of these teams are 3 and 0 it means they surely
won't be facing each other in round 1 of the playoffs I would imagine. I rigged the bracket
Jesus. No I don't think you did. Let's take a look at the bracket. Damn it didn't I. You
for you guys we got extreme gaming on the very top and the index on the very
bottom of the upper bracket all eight teams start in the upper bracket
let's see extreme gaming nemesis, navi, lgd, aurora, gamer legion, yandex, one win
that would be one by the way that bottom one that i was not expecting this
earlier on definitely not but one win they seem to be struggling with
some of the things but it's going to be very interesting i'm looking at the
match-ups and I would say for me I would choose Navi LGD Gaming, like the most interesting one
because Navi finally they get into the playoffs as well and LGD Gaming we saw them today quite a
lot of fans that they have because of the players on the roster and I feel like Navi I might even
gonna give slight advantage to Navi in this one if there's not gonna be too many shenanigans coming
off the judge rafts. Undying mid. Yeah. Undying mid please if it's like the later version
of it. The only version. The second game with the first one.
Alright so what do you look forward to when that is matchups team?
Oh god I'm about to matchup. There you go. XB versus Nemesis in the first round. Then
there's Navi versus LGD. There's game of Legion versus Aurora and then there's Yandex versus
Onewin. Well done Tegel. Thank you very much. And look it's even behind me to play.
I think the one that I'm interested by is actually Game Legion Aurora.
Game Legion have struggled to escape most group stages they've ever been in.
So now it's like they're in playoffs, they're against an Aurora that has been levelling up.
But like if there ever was a time for Game Legion to go look at North America,
you know, the region deserves a qualifier slot once again.
This is the time to do it in this event.
And I think that's just gonna be a fun one.
Yeah, probably it's not coming back, but Game Legion, glad that they managed to as well,
got into top eight plus also having the second life potentially that could get
them further into the tournament so we'll have to see team that also finally
gets there and really happy for the boys. Yeah let's see if they're still happy
at the end of the day tomorrow because that has been it for the group stage thank
you so much for your thoughts during this time but we're gonna dive into the
playoffs tomorrow we have four series coming your way as you saw the schedule
already. 10 a.m. is when we'll start and we're in Bucharest time zone in Romania and 9 a.m.
a little bit before that of course we'll talk about all the things that will happen tomorrow.
We'll see you then for more Wallachia season 9.
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