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LGD Gaming vs. MOUZ - PGL Wallachia Season 9 - Group Stage - Round 5 (2-2)
09-24-2026 · 11h 30m
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Kasyk Rasky Vica
Papparudi Rudi
Sai Jesus Shihudi
Udi Kugelyata
Kasyk Rasky Rada
I'm a little crazy, I'm a little crazy, I'm crazy
I'm a little crazy, I'm crazy
Ah, I've been a bit in my knees,
I've been a bit in my knees,
She is my carol,
My carol.
I'm sure you'll like it when it's sunny.
I'm sure you'll like it when it's sunny.
Ayy, ebede, de du karbu, u chai, rajya.
Ayy, ebede, de du karbu, zpre, tsum, aur, aksmese.
La, la, la, la, la, la, la.
Ayy, ebede, de du karbu, zpre, tsum, aur, aksmese.
to get some big fights together to grow the get a lead in fact
it's a good opening to start the playoff they'll come up back to you once the three of them
will take down the alicorn and the five and seven that's the combo they're looking for
ideally they want to get more than just the one jump
It's going to tease back in there. I've got the shackle and it's huge amount down in the face.
We get out of the three of them into the wall.
It's beautiful combos here again and again from Aurora. It's going to be another team wipe.
They've got the fuse.
Yep, they've got the sentry. Oh my.
They're going to try protecting the bike. Nice reaction, but it's looking a matter.
That's been damaged with too much.
Not the wrong reigns cancel
The swim of the high-come-ward and they're already pretty quick to get on other floor
Bye bye Vitali. Not a kill
Just more of the map in this game
Almost close
Just miss it now Vitali
at the front it's how does this fight actually look I mean it's a lot of damage at the moment on the
underlaw it's stolen infest is it enough with the results are it's gonna fight does connect with
the damage is still not enough it's just so much space all of the attention that we want to be made
to try and deal with the underlaw but it is not good enough
They have not finished off the barracks quite yet.
Whoop! Potential problems here for Somal.
The best so it's a lot of damage.
Let's see, TPs are coming in.
So try and run the BKB soon to be back up.
He's up there now if he needs it.
Does not want to use it.
They're trying to push it out of him.
But he will be able to keep his cool.
Doesn't have to pop it.
Kers is going to be used to hold back Army momentarily.
But Army ready to still chase them forward.
They're looking to dive into tier 2's.
Jump forward, Sumail's going to try and turn and help out with the Dragon Tail.
On to X-Temper, another random self-sumail, now has to put the BKB.
Armay's targeting the tier 3s, goes for Witt.
Takes Sumail, it's going to be a Sumail.
The Raptor does, cuts Sumail.
Get a double kill, Armay, the 2 has been dropped down under the 5.
They're going to get the 4 at them again!
Look at the Astral.
They still got BKB.
Gonna try and land the combo, but the BKB and he comes out.
He's out there at perfectly fine, Naman dies.
Amar able to safely retreat with the BKB, in fact, he's ready to go back in if they find some sort of connection, Jacky's getting kind of low.
She was watching from the side. Astral is not going to save him. They can step up, get the timber chain.
And these are scenarios that happen when you don't have follow. We don't have cash. Look how low these heroes are getting away.
And he will.
I'm not thinking about helping out.
Besides against him.
But he realizes it's uh,
probably not gonna happen.
Sax is gonna try and run.
But British, and off the juicer.
Found him.
Put the gun down on the got the juicer.
He's gonna step up pretty far for this.
Once I'm coming in from the site to try and help,
I'll allow Church unit to run.
He's just gonna chase down the terribly.
The call will come out from PMA.
The dune damage is done.
Kills off got the juice.
once in a while, they can clean up even more.
Showing the kind of differences, quite great.
You know the catch.
They've got the call off BMA.
And this, probably their final arrival here.
And it's starving for everything they can at Yandex to try and get something.
Can they at least get A kill?
They won't get him
The heels are coming out. They got a call up onto a mom
But again the further heels from Malady keep them all safe when she was looking for a rampace
I'm having he's what my tail is gonna get the rap page
By throwing two maybe the front of two on tolerance. It's just this guy gets the level 20 right there
They're gonna have these groups follow this up if they want it and there's a few script with they're only thunder
But they've got that upgrade on the Astro imprisonment to try and save this tiny
They've got the dust and they have the vision on him down to the beginning of the black hole
It's gonna be on the two but the most blunder bumped out the OD from the black hole and now here comes speed great damage
Saturday's a twin so get that kill of the techies avalanche in three heroes down on the side of Cora may get up for it
Stack for Jack.
The speed is gonna get the nightmare
Sun strike again not gonna be that much follow-up because of the bush
I'm gonna delay the big numbers on the other side with the impale you seem to
get some blocks they get the hex and fake they might just be able to kill
them with the supports it's gonna be close Jackie does find the distance it
looks like it pales common though they hit no it's close it's got available you
You can do it. You can do it.
Scan him, Paul.
Oh! Baby!
They've been the butler's welcoming the playoff teams to the restaurant.
What?
What do you like, Steven?
It's a tough game, a legion score.
Would you like to stop him with that, 90-chan?
All on to two.
Meteor's coming over to the left, Jack.
He's standing inside of the VKB.
They're going to get the puck as well. That'll do it.
3 is trying, the high ground advance 33 gets doomed right off the bat, arrow not going to hit
Rolling Thunder on top as well with micro strike down on to doom with the blast off, down goes DM already
Right clicks onto Panto, looks like he'll be chased down eventually as well
On the other side, you can see Lornoff charged up.
Hello!
And Roche is going to have something to say about this, beats the shit out of Lornoff.
Radiance Buster, go for it.
She's still looking.
Lasso, go for the lasso.
Niko's just going to be on the top of the bus.
Nice back you there, onto the wall there.
Beautiful combo from 33.
There's a little bit, we'll wait a little bit on that though, let's kill him.
Oh, crap.
He's gonna get brambled on the last one, on the three heroes, he's first, but a lich fucking sucks!
As Ekky will follow suit, Malak shall survive.
And that's the banner now.
Okay, it's Silver Edge, so he'll get pushed back, but he actually uses the event on Shadowfield.
Oh, Requiem's coming for him, Shad is just dead.
My goodness, outplayed hard as Ari just stuck in a horrible spot as a result of that.
Now the curse onto two, what a disastrous fight for one win.
They're going to buy back onto both heroes and try to fight this out.
Stay behind the team coming up front with the BKB.
XO is BZM just melt to the pressure.
Whiteman looks to be next.
My goodness, just a domino effect to toss back onto Shad trying to get the effect.
Trying to do something in this fight.
He's just going to get killed off again, it looks like.
It's a triple kill for Jackie.
to die back onto Shad and now 33 left to his own devices attempting to get out.
It's tossed back into the Shadowfeed corpse.
He says he'd be quick on that one.
He's stunned for a second of length.
The call comes in and this is going to be the neatest prompt to call for a second.
They caught him and called him.
They'll kill him.
4-2-3 gone.
I'm gonna buy back immediately and let's see the supreme it's on top of this act
But he's locked out via the charge and his pops here on the week after the call that connects
Can we get the kill here? Can we do the damage?
They're gonna go down the joke and they'll take out the axe
So now we've lost a couple of everybody's buyback
Groffin ends up dying. He's gone for two minutes
That should be it. I don't think they have the damage details available
Great push back on two. Snowball connects, Laura's punch is there and they are going to combine to get stuck in the boom.
It all falls apart for Mao's nemesis. They're going to take this game Gigi is called.
We have to scramber as well. He's called to... there's the blade.
And they get this kill on the axe. This would be significant.
No, at least get defiant and that is a seven-time spree and now her spirit's going to drop the magnetized
This might do a lot of damage just possible change the fight if they're not too careful looking for the terror eyes
And now can they get anything? No, and now gamer Legion stuck in a 4v5 situation
I just be giving things up with the double outlash thoughts again a lot of dead again
Call it don't save on the fraud but it matters not GG's called as LGD
welcome to the fans. It is PGL
season nine and we have reached
the playoff stage and you saw
how we did that in that highlight
package that you just watched
with your eyes. Also joining you
in your eyes. We've got analysts
that was good, right? Yeah, you
like better one. Yeah, it is
of course, Dom. He's back.
That's the cost. This is brand
name. How's the thumb for those
It's good. It's better. It's better now swollen. It's blue, but it doesn't hurt as much anymore
Yeah, he broke it in the shower and we we don't we don't ask. Yeah
We don't ask a lot of where it was none of our business what goes on tour stays on tour and of course it is Jenkins as well
Journey is how are you this fine day? Hello? Great to be back at the last walk. Yeah, that was post-ti
I was not here, but it's very exciting to watch and I'm really happy to be at one of these finally in the playoffs
We have some insane teams that would not normally make the playoffs.
So, it's going to be spicy.
There's not many tournaments like this in a Dota calendar.
Why don't we take a look how we got here, Andrew?
That's what we do on professional broadcasts.
Look, this is the tale.
You can see a few surprises along the way.
I mean, that's certainly...
Quite a few surprises, Richard.
Yeah, the big one, of course, being extreme gaming after reforming,
being 3 and 0 team and also to me I'm looking at teams that didn't make it I think the polar
opposite would be playtime who is 0 and 3 I think this team yeah I would expect them to
reach the playoffs for sure I mean they did look pretty tilted after their first defeat and then
they just sort of never rebounded but crazy you think a roster with that much talent wasn't able to
at least win a series I mean yeah it just didn't happen something was not clicking but also
glad for the Navi boys and Gamer Legion. I think these two teams they came so close so many times
to be in the playoffs and with the competition like this they definitely have a chance to potentially
get the best results in their careers. Not gonna say take the whole thing maybe Navi could the
Gamer Legion they still look a little bit shaky but I don't know how you feel about this Jenkins.
I was thinking about Coventus to Warram actually that's probably one of my biggest
I'm a little disappointed in that roster that they went all five days, and on the final
day they lost one to two to Nemesis.
So, it's like unlucky, you know?
They could have been true, but I feel like these guys are, for me, they were in contention
to win the whole thing just based on their players.
Yeah, I mean that last game was rough as well, that sniper game that they pulled, that was
pretty horrible.
Why don't we take a look at teams that have previously done it?
Andrew, you wanted to point this out.
Been there and done that.
Yeah, for some of these guys, it is not their first rodeo
being in a Wallachia playoffs or getting very, you know, highly ranking.
In a Wallachia, you know, of course, with Yandex winning one,
Four of our teams have achieved either second or first.
But then we have this other half of teams that either is completely new, which is LGD,
or for Na'Vi, it's been a very long time back when they were Na'Vi Junior, only Season 4.
Gamer Legion, they've never made playoffs before. This is their best performance yet.
Nemesis, same thing. They were a team last season. It was a different roster,
but I feel like the energy was it was still Southeast Asian roster, etc.
So I feel like it still kind of makes sense.
And then I wanted to look at these are the best playoff positions
as of late for these teams.
So Yandex obviously winning season seven Aurora very recently, season eight,
they got second so we can, you know, basically say like, yeah, this
this is a very good team and contention to win.
But for the rest of the teams, it's.
their placements are not the greatest right like I think extreme
gaming are placements are also like kind of inflated because at the first
halakia they came close they almost won that one and they lost the spirit 3-2 in
the grand final so they got the second place they got to fifth six places and
the they only were not part of one block here if I remember correctly but every
other block here they came in like 11 so their results weren't really like there
They're very consistently not getting like the greatest results that it's been a while since they got into that. Yeah
Yeah, so either we're going to get a repeat
win from Yandex or
Aurora is finally gonna win, which I feel like they've been close a lot of times
They're the one team that between those graphics looked about the same or we're gonna have a team that like
Barely touches playoffs in block. Yeah, finally winning, you know or brand new teams or teams who have never made it to playoffs
like basically this season, something interesting is going to happen. I'm not sure what the
least interesting possible result is because Yandex winning twice is pretty cool. I feel
like Aurora deserves it because they always show up in a Wallachia, but they never make
it. And then any of the new teams winning obviously is great for Dota, especially if
it's like a new roster of players.
I was going to say, especially in that post TI shuffle, it's good to get off to a winning
start. We can take a look at the tools that they're going to have at their disposal. Of
course, the heroes. This is a letter patch. It might be a little bit underwhelming for you at home,
but for us here in this tournament, I think we've seen some interesting developments.
Yeah, for sure. Like, people did not maybe expect so many things to change because it's
just a letter patch, but we are seeing massive changes. The big one, of course, is going to be
the brewmaster highly contested as a hero. Ember hasn't really been changed that much when it comes
comes down to the nerfs from Slythe, the same goes for the Erdspirit, his level 25s have been nerfed, but other than that the hero still feels super strong.
These are the heroes that have been picked more than 5 times, so there are maybe heroes with a higher win rate, but just wanted to check in to see how things are going.
And also Tusk, he's making the comeback. I think this hero is still probably one of the biggest fan, if not the biggest bit.
I love that hero. I feel like he fits into so many drafts. He just fixes a lot of the drafts as well
because his toolkit has been the same since forever. Maybe we removed the frozen sigil, but other than that this hero just...
Other than Ogre, he's definitely the best five position bruiser hero.
Agreed.
I was shocked to see that there were no changes to him because he was in every single pub.
He was already at least in A+, position four, position five.
you know, when you go play both of the support roles to a high degree of success,
I feel like that's when you have a really solid hero, especially for competitive.
Well, we can take a look at the other end of the table. I've got material here. I've got things I want to say.
Because obviously, I mean, look, there's one there that really is a surprise.
There's a lot of them there that I think a lot of people, first of all, expected Shadowfiend
to be more viable. We saw day one, day two that the hero was picked,
And then people realized it's not as strong.
He's not as oppressive as it was in the previous patches.
Of course, Storm Spirit being one of the few ones where he only got one W out of nine matches,
which is pretty insane.
He does feel like he is the weakest of the heroes.
We talk about the Void Spirit being maybe the weakest of the spirits, but the Void Spirit actually has a
Yeah, he has some wins because of Sumail.
But yeah, Storm is a sad one because he didn't even get changed to the patch.
like you know you think that a hero with such a low win rate got nerfed but it didn't uh darts here
of course that one that was where i was going we we couldn't talk a lot about that one and
okay i guess i have a question for you guys are you still on the train of people are not playing
it right and we're going to see in the playoffs when people start figuring it out that it's going
to have a high win rate again i think it's forced in a lot of these drafts where you feel like you
need to pick it up. First of all, it's not as strong as it was in the previous patch because
of the heroes that he's playing against, because in the previous patch you were playing against
Rao, you were playing it like this was the counter to Shadow of Chains because you have
strong illusion that you make out of him and then you have the aura so you can kind of win the fight
off of that. Now these heroes are not as viable anymore, so you're creating illusions out of
these Sven, like Sven-Tinies, which are like even Ursa, which are kind of the counters to
to Darkseer as well in the lane.
So I don't think he should be picked
as much as we are seeing him.
There wasn't as much techies either.
It was good, but especially in competitive,
there wasn't techies.
And I don't think even in pubs,
people were doing the techies taser tech.
They were skilling the Q and blast off
and not playing to dispel the iron shells
and things like that.
So yeah, you're right.
I think the meta has definitely evolved a little bit
where Darkseer very much so needs to be comboed now.
Yeah, agreed with that.
And I just think like the one of the things I always hate in tournaments is when people come to the tournament with this prescribed
Wisdom nobody can articulate why dark series the best and must be picked every single time
And they do it and it loses and they're like no it's still good
It was just a bad game and it sits there like the most contested era on the one of the lowest win rates and at one point
You just got to stop. Yeah, I'm saying it's just habitual nonsense
I know this is a common thing we say, but sometimes teams can be a little bit slower to maybe crunching the numbers and checking what's good.
Sometimes they need to be like, ah, one more game, we need to test it out.
Maybe because we are seeing only what's happening here in Prodota in scrims.
They might have a completely different picture where Darkshear would be like seven and one, and that's the reason why they're forcing it.
So we don't have the whole picture, but the ones that we are seeing right now doesn't really favor Darkshear.
Indeed. Why don't we take a look at the schedule?
Let's do it.
It's a delicious, delectable day of Dota 2.
Suck your life for us.
And also, of course, the best format, as I always say.
We recently brought this format back to CS.
We had a tournament where people were doing the double-elimigan
and all the new heads were like, what is this?
I have a CS question for you after the schedule.
No worries. Yeah, they use guns.
So yeah, it's you can see I mean obviously if you get knocked down by lower bracket you are gonna get that second life
Things aren't over and I'm gonna work our way backwards
You can just see we're gonna be closing out with a yandex versus one win. What a great game
That's likely to be I mean, that's crazy Aurora versus game of Legion. There's your rewards game of Legion welcome to the playoffs
Welcome to the big leagues now be versus LGD and of course
We're gonna be talking about extreme gaming the surprise package taking on nemesis and I'll just say as well
They gave us these lovely cushions if you can see them here. We can not extreme gaming
No, they gave us no cushions whatsoever. Nothing. So we were gonna be slightly by absolutely biased to nemesis 100%
So thanks very much for those. They are pretty cute and fine. So shall we do it then gentlemen lots to talk about with this series and
And I think we should start with Nemesis
and actually give them some attention
and pay them a little bit of respect
because I think what they've been doing
has certainly caught a lot of people off guard.
You see team Nemesis, they're just turning up
to make up the numbers,
but they don't play some really good data.
Yeah, absolutely.
This is like three plus two.
We have two standing situation here with them,
but it doesn't definitely feel like it.
We had Saberlight yesterday on the couch.
He was really praising Jackie how well
he's playing. He's like and the supports as well. He said that I've never had this in my professional career. Like I've never had the
supports rotate so much to my lane because
Like it's just different. He's like, yeah, I don't have to do anything and the reason why he doesn't have to do anything is because
Jackie he is very very aggressive as a player and what I wanted to show is his win rate when he has a blink dagger when he's playing his
that the win rate is 83% when
he's playing these long range
turrets of windrangers, some
shadow things that he played
earlier and the win rate doesn't
really fit them that well. We were
very critical yesterday about
their game one draft where they
couldn't really like play Dota. We
saw something else happen in the
other series where you don't
really have ways of starting the
fight as well. I think once
light paired up with that it would feel kind of very natural. I think this is the direction
in the series that I need to go for. Yeah and you wanted to highlight some stuff that's happening
in the gang that Nemesis is doing really well. I did yeah so not only is Jackie kind of carrying
in the game in the laning phase I wanted to look at how their safe lane plays out because they're
really really good so this is a techies versus darks here they also have a Sven lots of laning
mechanics going on here but they put the taser on the Sven and then he draws creep aggro on the creeps
So they attack him and then it dispels the iron shell and you can also see that he's right-clicking every creep
He's stunning and then the taser is popping at the same same time for the range creep just these little mechanics that are always getting
Them ahead he's constantly moving his camera to look where saber light has the creep wave
Is he dragging it into his tower?
Is he pulling to get another wave and he's keeping it out of tower range I could have I could show
So many situations where they're doing this where they're manipulating the waves, but just trust me
They do a very good job at always keeping it in front of their tower. They they're laning mechanics are absolutely amazing
This forces saber light into sorry
This forces the dark seer DM into a creep cutting scenario
Which of course you're gonna do on dark seer and look how they use the reactive taser
It's on this fen right now. Why is dark seer not surging away?
Why is he not surging away?
He can't because they're gonna pop the taser the moment that the surge happens and to me
that's a very good counter.
Before it was Oracle, it was
Enchantress, but now it doesn't
seem so as much, I think,
snaking. He tried to use Enchantress
as a counter to Darkseer. One of
those games didn't look too good.
I think techies like because it's
all the best one. Definitely.
You have this arm and you also
have insane amount of team fight
damage like we saw performances
from some of the better techies
out there. Omar as well,
completely nailed in every single
game that he played. So
definitely expecting more of this hero to be picked up as a kind of like just in general.
Yeah, I was I was honestly really struggling to pick clips for these guys or to show how
strong they're safe.
When he's because I would look at the end of landing stage, it would always be like
Jackie, not end of landing stage, but Jackie would be like 18 CS and the next guy in the
game is like 12 CS.
And this was consistent.
And I'm sitting here thinking how the hell are these guys constantly winning the lane
so hard that he's getting every single creep and he's getting kills.
And so these are just a few of the moments, but I guarantee you, if you go back and you
look at this Techies Sven game, he was like 17 and 0 in this game on Sven.
They did everything right.
Every little detail of laning, even the little stuff where you draw creep aggro right before
somebody's about to CS a range creep, and so they click it and it's at 1 HP and then
they get the deny.
Every single detail was perfect and man, you just have to like show up at a tournament
and be in flow state for this to happen.
And for that to happen to two players in a single lane
is really scary.
It's really hard for this safe lane to lose
if they have decent heroes.
Tall order for them today though, young master Jenkins
because extreme are back.
They have been looking very good, obviously 1-3-0.
Slightly new look line up and you look line up
with some familiar names to be clear about it.
But honestly, I think Zeal and JinQ have been the standouts for me.
Yeah, Zeal has been a part of the team, like he was on LGD at the time, you know, playing with these guys during the DPC.
He was on trial, but didn't work out well for them, I gotta say.
Maybe he at the time wasn't ready, but JinQ having one of the greatest, the most creative masterminds in the history of Dota, I gotta say.
And also having Baboka, who kind of did the same thing, now he's playing position 5.
So I think Baboka finally found a place for himself, where he's going to be able to play a bit of, like, less greedy Dota.
He was very greedy, like, in his Yakuto brothers, 15 different rosters that he was part of.
So I think that his hero pool is fitting in nicely with what Ame wants to do.
I was going to say that's what I wanted to bring up and I'll ask Andrew's opinion on it. I was very surprised because obviously crystal maiden bit of a mean, you know, I wasn't expecting to see it at this tournament out of all of the
fives I was going to see. Why is it coming into favour? I think it's not just Baboka that's been using.
She's very hit or miss for sure. You either have people who are relentlessly feeding and then you, you know realize, okay, that's why this hero isn't picked that much.
Or you have people who are insanely aggressive and they're getting a lot of kills.
And that's basically how you have to play her and how Baboka has always played.
Even when he was playing position four, the guy was a killer. I would compare him to like Mira where he's always out on the map.
he's hunting, doing some crazy
courier sniping with the with the
monkey King or setting up and I
think C. M. If you're really good
at positioning, not only on the
map, but in the team fights like
knowing which trees to stand in
where people can't. Jump you can
get the old off. You can get
multiple rounds of her spells
off. It's really, really good,
and he's definitely a
positioning player. I think
they're also one of the reasons
why she is making a slight
comeback is we are seeing a lot
They love to play behind enemy lines and Crystal Maiden, not the speediest hero, but she does have a way of stopping you with the frostbite low cooldown if the carry does have a kill potential.
You can grab a kill and punish the creep skipping.
Yeah, we showed you right at the start of the show, which heroes have been doing well.
And Brewmaster is emerging as one of the best offlaners, and of course we've got two great offlaners in this game that are probably going to contest the brew.
test the brew. Yeah, I think
this is a really good way of showing
what they have been doing. This hero
has not been popular at TI by any
means. Zeal being the master on the
hero, he has 70% win rate in his pro
career. This is how he made the name
for himself. Saberleit on the other
hand, not as much, sub 50%.
Six, seven programs. Yeah, that's good.
That's nice. They only played it twice.
Zeal didn't lose. Saberleit did have
that one game where he wasn't really
able to connect with the rest of the
team, but I also wanted to show the items that they have been buying and I think
Brewmaster players they understood that it can't just be around their ults like
you can't be one ulti and then don't have anything else to play. He's giving the
thumbs up of course. I think the Orchid build that people have been trying works
really well because you always have something to play for. We are seeing a
lot of these spirits coming up from the mid lane and then you shut them down
with this Orchid rush. Of course your Aghanim Scepter is going to be the key
item later on but yeah I think definitely in this series brewmaster is going to get contested.
Can I ask you a question about Sableite guys? Is that all right? Please. Okay so in previous
Valahiers particularly when he was under the pressure of being you know the liquid off-liner
and there was that big spotlight on him like all liquid players are in that spotlight you know.
I feel that one of the things that was happening on that team would be
they would either give him a hero he was super comfortable on but sack his game
and as a result of that he was always kind of playing from behind or they would force him to pick something that maybe wasn't optimal and
He would struggle on it. So kind of what's the temperature check with where he's been on nemesis?
Is he getting his comfort picks? Is he having more of an active role in this team or is it more of the same?
I think we some of the players when they are in different environments, they are playing with less stress
I think this is a good example as well because you know you are playing for team liquid
You are replacing 33 at the time. It's a some big like people have high
Expectations from you and then you might fall into a trap where you don't feel as comfortable
You are making slightly more mistakes, but I think in Nemesis as a stand-in
He is fitting in nicely what he is able to do and also looking at his heroes. I'm a big fan of this dead prophet
I think the hero can definitely be picked more in a certain situations against melee heroes paired up with the good position for
or this hero definitely has a way to come back.
And also, I think in the back of your head,
when you have a player who plays these, like,
weirder heroes, you definitely need to check
or double check before you pick a carry,
knowing that it can be punished in the lane.
Yeah, that's true.
He has some specialty heroes.
He can look out that are pretty punishing
based on, like, the current meta.
I'll spill some beans here,
because I think he would be totally okay with it.
I know that an issue that he had in the past,
and I've talked to Insania about this,
I've talked to Saber about this,
is he would play a lot of heroes
that are supposed to be left alone.
And it was a meta where people would leave
off laners alone,
but he would make a lot of calls to his own lane.
Like Saber would want to get active
because that's just the type of player that he is.
So I think having supports and heroes
that can play around him is inherently good.
He's we're going back to what he said.
Like he never felt like he said yesterday in Sainia.
Like he never wrote data to his lane.
So like he was probably making those calls.
What you're talking about right now.
So he's really good at making those calls, but I do have to say for his sake,
he is actively aware of this and he's working on it.
Like he realized that this is an issue.
Uh, he is going through a big period of like self improvement and self growth.
So it's kind of funny to me to see him on a team where his supports are just playing to him because this is something he was trying to work on, you know.
I also like this as well. One of the traps you see a lot of people fall into is if a hero is good and it's going to be contested and you kind of play it, but you've got an expert on it on the other team who's got this insane win rate compared to you.
Just ban it out. Just don't risk it.
Yeah, he plays it differently. Like we also saw the items that he did pick up on a brewmaster
Krelis, Krojiro, you don't expect this item to be picked up, but we are in tanking meta against these hearts.
A lot of offlaners are picking it up, picking it up even like prior to BKB if necessary,
and also against Necro who's still a meta hero, so it does feel natural to ban it out because Zeal,
he's just a different beast on this hero.
And tell me through this tiny in the first days ban, that's not very common.
Yes, this is what we talked about the blank initiators. He feels right too comfortable yesterday
He did have an amazing game that second game against conventus. The alarm it did get the band immediately in the first phase
Because they realized that's the massive issue
So this leaves a lot of good supports left in the pool and we were talking about and also ember spirit
I was gonna say you just take ember, right? Probably
Yeah, I think, well, Slark is still in the pool is the issue.
I think that's the only thing people are really afraid of.
So they go for Marana, which is another very strong hero.
I honestly, I don't mind the Windrunner has also looked really, really good.
here. Oh, here we go again. It's in the pool. It's happening. You're one of you're not one
of us Jenkins. I'm not letting it go, dude. I'm not letting it go. You do have to pick
the right heroes with it though. Oh, okay. This is Dom's wheelhouse. Yep. They opened
up once against Maus with Dragonite and they did win that one. I think this hero still
yet to be seen played from the off lane. I think there is a good chance that we are going
to be seeing it more to use it as a flex because this is a super strong laner and also beats
a lot of these heroes in the mid lane, especially melee ones, some ranged ones, but not that
popular hero but I would like to see for extreme gaming XM OD to potentially
I was gonna say XM is a rough player to pick Dragonite against actually out of all
the mids in this tournament I would not want to be DK against him because he can
he can also Viper yep right and that's that's pretty devastating we've yet to
see him play Viper hero he has played three heroes I mean to be fair they
They only dropped one game, so basically they played the seven games because they were a 3-0 team.
Do you guys think XM is the funniest mid objectively?
Most mids aren't funny.
Thompson's the funniest.
Val'Reen is the funniest.
But XM definitely up there with his hero pool.
We saw one sniper, he's not going to be probably a sniper in this one.
Definitely pickable.
Did lose that game.
Yeah, that was gonna do that sniper game. Yeah, it was not a good advertisement for no
And it was Lornoff sniper. I know that's a host
So tough one
Okay, now the techies is out I I could also see like
XM potentially picking up Slark as a counter to Dragonite and what we saw the exact same matchup it I
I can't remember who played it. It didn't go too well. It was
Lornoff versus someone else. Yeah, it didn't go too well
I think it might have been a bit of a issue not playing Slark in a long time
But later on like in the throughout the game. It was a really really good the stealing case region of course, but that's a good
I like later on Dragonite. He became way too tanky and then Slark fell off
plus l plus ratio he really screwed up the laning phase in that game and it's
it's it's really easy to do this I would highly recommend for anybody who wants
to learn about laying look at Quinn's videos he is the master laner and he
talks about every single little detail and he's very big on like if you screw
up the first wave because you don't draw aggro into your tower and you're
supposed to or you do draw aggro into your tower and you're not supposed to
because you're supposed to win the first wave by zoning them or something like that.
Literally, one little mistake like that on the first wave
can make or break an entire matchup where you go from 70-30 to 50-50 or even worse.
Especially against really good laners that are going to see,
oh, I have a double wave, I'm going to pressure on this double wave,
I'm going to get every deny under tower,
I'm going to use every spell on you under tower while you're CS-ing.
It's really punishing.
There's a lot of options for XM here.
The problem is the potential flex that we've talked about.
I don't think that Nemesis would first pick the DK if they didn't have in their mind that they could flex it.
Does the Techies ban enable a Darkseer pick here? Is it enough?
Absolutely. I mean, this is something that Norman plays extremely well.
He plays it, of course, from the safe lane.
I think Joachim is also a Techies player, so they can definitely flex this if needed.
So they would have like two options where they could choose the lane a lot of carries a lot of these melee carries
Don't like to play into Thickeys getting disarmed and also like the bombs. It's very very annoying
Thickeys is also like a
Zoning hero to like also a vision hero if you want to call it because you see bomb popping off
You're like, okay, someone's there. They're making a smoke plate
Back to you Jenkins watch it's bad. So yeah, it's bad. Yeah, you know, just unfortunate
Yeah, they can't pick it because it's staying.
Shouldn't be a mechanic in my opinion.
Doom? I mean, Doom has looked really good.
I rated this hero as a S tier offlaner coming into this on the previous patch.
It felt like in the pro level pubs, at least that I was watching,
that it was back and it didn't get nerfed at all.
And every other hero got nerfed.
I like Doom, but I don't like the greedy Doom.
I know Hand of Midas.
I like even 33 is not going to handle this anymore. I like the drums the blink BKB and then pick up what's needed
She was guard or agathom scepter like we saw yesterday like for Lincoln's fears against the doom and then he picked up the agathom scepter
So it's not that effective
It's just not necessary to go greedy doom anymore. If you get the agathom shard
Just watch collapse. Whatever collapse is doing. That's the right thing to do
You get the egg the eggnum shard you eat the ancient dragon you throw fire on waves you cleave camps
You're gonna farm faster than Midas octurine and then you're gonna be useful
Yeah, I like how 33 an interview the other day said like he couldn't find the creep like he
Why did it let that was let's get the ancient black dragon said that was I tried a couple of times
Such a great question. He was like yo you using the purple creep was that the you know for this matchup and
Unlucky and I just couldn't find the dragon. So the purple creep is good though
Yeah, it's actually not bad for farming and it's a lot of damage if you because you use the infernal blade
And if you still have the attack modifier on to you're dealing like
400 damage with the with the dragon thing you're reducing the armor by half and that's also doing like 200 300 damage
It's it's really really good
Supports on extreme gaming are strong, but these heroes like need to do stuff
I feel like these heroes will fall off if you are not having a mid laner who can play with them doom not a hero that plays
With these heroes really well
Maybe enchantress can make a rotation to the off lane through the twin gate
But other than that, I just needed an octave mid laner that can use this enchantress use this first siege creep wave
Ember is still in the pool like yeah, I mean I don't even think I'm not a big believer in this
DK owns ember thing anymore because ember is always going to get a vessel and
People aren't even really playing ember to lane anyway. You just shove the wave and then go jungle
Whether it's like their jungle or your jungle
Yeah, we love we love this hero here
Could be offline not not as an off and as an off lane he is
Zero and five I believe zero and six make it a six. There was one more game yesterday. Well, I hate to break it to you
But Nemesis
They they pick a lot of ranged heroes as their
supports
Of course, we've got mid undying now at the consider thanks to me kid. Yeah. Yeah, that's always an option
I mean undying it undying against doom
It could be doom enchantress. I would honestly run the enchantress and did the undying if it's a five
We also saw Luna her win rate is pretty terrible
14% win rate basically winning one game. A lot of times I feel like this hero gets
baited into being picked. I think this could be a very good Luna game
considering what she's playing into. She has a mid laner who can easily stun for
you and also with the blink dagger build she can also kill enchantress. She can
kill Doom pre-BKB. It does feel nice and in the end it's gonna be Ember Spirit
to hear that we called for since pretty much the start.
Imagine getting an 18 pick Ember on this patch.
That's really crazy.
But that's just how the draft played out.
They're a little squishy.
There isn't much going on with the two supports.
They're very single target oriented.
There isn't much team fight as well.
Like you have Doom, you have relatively OK catch.
But you still see they're going to be respecting this Slark,
as I said before.
Dragonite he can be played from the off lane and this would be I would say also a very good opportunity to do
So if they want to run it because you see enchanters
She is a strong laner but Dragonite and hoodwink another strong lane that I think Dragonite in this type of a lane
Even without like they have the last pick overall
So they could potentially you know get the very strong lane if they want to oh, they're going winner for sure
Yeah, it's taking out the Sun tool. Yeah, I take it telegraph. So yeah, I mean maybe
Nemesis have to know. Yeah, if they if they leave it, it's because they're
They're 24 pic it will be a five on dying in their 24 pic counters. I'm leaning more towards the links
I thought like clings maybe even Sven. I like the Sven suggestion a lot
I feel like Sven has been probably the best carry for me in the patch
There are you know these tiny is that they look a very very good, etc
But the sent to me looked way better. There he goes. You're right. It is all May
I need to think about the all may factor
He likes to play as weird heroes
Like I could even see kez I could see kez and I could see clings if they feel like they need a range hero
You need a hero that is potentially good against the undying in lane
Because otherwise if they pick something that just gets shit on by undying then it's gonna be an undying off lane and they're gonna struggle is
Is what about phantom Lancer is it I was I was thinking maybe not so much against the dragon tonight the magic
Bill Dragonite you're right because he kills the illusion. Yeah. Yeah. I was the close the old-school Dragonite
Maybe but it is gonna be amazed Lone Druid
First time this tournament for him
I'm thinking the the here that the lineup just looks a little weird
I don't think I've seen lineup like this in
in some good amount of time.
Like these combinations of the heroes
just doesn't ring a bell in my brain.
I feel like something is lacking at the moment.
It's one of the better offlaners against Laundry.
It's difficult to come up with something
that lanes well against LD.
I think that Abyssal Underlord
probably benefited the most out of a lot of the-
Underlord with Abyssal blade or is that his full name?
That's his full name. Okay, although you could go abyssal blade and keep them in the keep the sound fan the other day
He said Bane elemental
Something I haven't heard in like 20 years. Well to be fair under lord himself said abyssal under
He died when he was picked so that's why I said it
But it's one of the better heroes against the longer the damage reduction on the bear in lane and even
Just with if you go one point in aura like right-clicking the bear and lane
It has a very low armor. You can do some damage. The Q is percentage damage to the bear as a shitload of health
So it's pretty good and that obviously scales as the game progresses
It's just that Underlord did suffer from the letter patch. They
Reduce the A we on the agonims to zero
It doesn't it doesn't increase at all and that was a pretty big deal having like three pits in a team fight
where you basically cover the entire screen with pits. You can't really do that anymore,
but I still think it's a really good pick. I do like Nemesis Draft. It looks very
well-rounded draft. Super strong lanes as well. This Luna plus Undying lane, it's going to be very
good. You have Hoodwing plus Underlord. These heroes, I don't think they can really threaten a kill
on Laundry unless he's out of position. So I want to see how Extreme Gaming is going to be approaching
this, I want to see XM be able to play with the two supports because the Lone Druid and Doom
didn't really benefit from these two supports rotating, so I expect a lot of action to happen
in the mid lane starting like minute four, minute five. Right, well we'll see if you're right,
we can get into the action, the causes will brought to you by Sun's Fun and Cinderan.
Thank you so much, yes. You got me thinking of some of the old names of Dota one day, I mean
Epistleunder, not even the original name. That's correct. Lacoste knows this, of course.
Jenkins, he probably played League of Legends before that.
Pit Lord, the man, the myth, the legends. He was nerfed in this last patch. The Aghanim Scepter
got pretty heavy hand and nerf from what I remember. And I have yet to see it in this
letter patch, but I am excited because I think he's a fun hero, obviously a little over-tuned,
Especially with the a we increase related items that have been put into the game. Mm-hmm, but
You I mean I love seeing it because it means you're a really good game designer deep down in sites in there with every
10,000 terrible ideas you have there's one golden one, which is fiends gate. Good job
I mean, that's that's how it is. That's how life is Sharon. You have a lot of bad ideas. That's true
I say you and me. Oh, okay. I mean people not you specifically. Oh, actually thought I was gonna go the other way
didn't you? I did. That was a good idea. That's my one good one for the day. Yeah,
it's a pretty big nerf to Underlord to not have the increased AoE. Good Riddance
is my take on that. I found it very obnoxious to play against and the thing
the thing that makes the hero cool and fun to watch is still there which is
Fiendscape. Like that's what makes this hero interesting is making those cool
global moves that has not been removed. I believe the heroes been picked five times
to this tournament won two of the games so I mean that's not terrible it's not
awesome small sample size a couple things to think about in this game though
worth mentioning we're heading into the series one of these teams is three and
no out of the Swiss the others three and two a lot of the time this day of the
tournament generates some of the more one-sided series because there's a clear
favorite based on who's been playing well so far but sometimes there's also a
team that just takes some time to warm up like how many times have we seen teams
like Falcons for example go three and two in a Swiss and then all of a sudden they get really good.
I'm not saying that's going to be the case for Nemesis. I think expectations for them are lower.
But that's it's worth keeping that in mind for a couple of the matchups today that this is the
top dogs versus the ones that barely made it through. Also somehow the same team.
And we deny. Wow. Sorry.
The same team got 18 ember. So closing the second phase with the best meteor of the tournament
and then closing their own side of the draft with maybe the best carry of the tournament in Laundry.
Yeah, and it fits Ami's playstyle because he's like a fight.
Yeah, he gets to just farm, and on top of all of that, they get Jinkyu on his, in my opinion,
best individual performing hero, the Murana. So I think there's a lot of good things here for
extreme gaming in terms of comfort, in terms of what just seems to be hitting in this patch,
and I agree with Lacoste. Like in a vacuum, if you look at the radiant lineup, I really like how
it looks I'm just worried that the enemy heroes are just better in the patch and
then you kind of have to you know beat the numbers in this game it'll be a good
test I am currently not a believer in Luna we'll see if Jackie can make it
work he's had some very good performances at this tournament so far
it was like the hero just I don't know what's missing with her right now it
feels like the maybe the omni slash issue that all clips is too weak it's
It's definitely better than Omni Slash though.
Yeah, without question.
I don't know what it is. I can't put my finger on it.
But it was probably just biased because the games that we've passed have all been complete dumpster fires.
Or Luna loses, at least it's a tie.
The hero can be very good. OjinQ actually taking a beating here.
Oh, he's going to burn out.
Saberlight with the first blood on the Pit Lord.
He stood in the middle of a pit in three trees that not eat a tango.
And actually would have lived.
It's not going to mean time to get chased by a little miniature wolf, put down the tombstone. Wolf will get the kill,
but Bokun not trying to outrun the zombies, but will not do so.
It's not being a trade.
So about Luna, I think it's an interesting carry because
she has her old weakness was heroes that get up close and personal and just obliterate you like
something like, oh, Chin-Q actually getting revenge here, and they get jokun too.
No, actually, this is a Bush Black, so Hame will live a good side step from him.
Luna used to really dislike close-up match-ups like, say, Life Stealer or Sven, or even something
like Jugger.
But then she got Luna Orbit, and it got buffed a couple of times, and actually started giving
her a fighting chance against the melee cores.
I think her biggest weakness is playing against some of the ranged heavy hitters, right?
That's her bigger problem, and some of those heroes are quite popular, something like,
say Terrorblade is very good, we've had an occasional clinkz from a couple of teams,
I think that's a great hero against Luna. And still, a draw obviously, these archetypes
are not great matchups, so a TI where a lot of teams were playing draw and Terrorblade,
I think that was part of the problem, whether the hero didn't look so good, but in this
tournament, given the meta, I think her matchups are better. Lone Druid is kind of annoying
though I would say because you never really get to fight the hero yeah what is
their solution to longer exactly you're gonna see the pit with the firestorm is
gonna be a double proc now ginkyu does get leap off in time her damage still
jokin wants to keep right battle yeah this is gonna hurt jokin a lot there's
a bush wreck again but she will take it no for a kill though yeah so the problem
here for Joachim is yes it looks like a decent trade but you're outreach
resourced here given the healing cell so you kind of have to send out your own
all he is okay he's setting up his own cell to offset that something I think a
lot of players can learn from in their pubs is the importance of constantly
just ferrying out region if you're losing trades you don't do this you're
sent back to base which is way worse your off-laner needs you to be there and he
He has to keep fighting in queue because if he doesn't, they 2v1 this underlord back to base.
You're just forced to spend gold to give your offlaner a fighting chance.
Classic Loansword experience.
Yeah, Narman comes through the gate, wants to make something happen.
Savorlight and Company probably want to push under the tower so they can put a tombstone down.
But it feels like it might be a little orchestrated considering he's been missing for a decent amount of time now.
It's also not the easiest heroes to kill with that move.
Like Marana is probably gonna be fine and
Lone Druid has two fairy fires in the Lotus. I think
Oh boy stuck around too long put down the tombstone
He's a gold problem. They killed yeah 125 gold in Ame's bank account Jean Q kills Joakim and he's on to the next victim
Oh, this is not good
Yeah, oh boy completely wasted rotation. Yeah, that's from Norman
And that is rough. And now they know that the Luna is accessible down here as well, if they wanted to try something with the Ench or Fuboka.
Do you think it's surprising how they put their lanes? Was this what you expected? That they would put the Marana with Lone Druid instead of Ench?
The Marana with Lone Druid.
Yeah, because like, you look at it, if a Bokeh plays 5 for this team, right, Ench Lone Druid
sounds like a pretty good safe lane, but they are playing it inverse this game, using Q
over there.
I don't know, I wonder what the rationale is, it's just they think Ench is really good,
it's better against Undying, which I would probably agree with, because he doesn't like
fighting the creep, that might be the main reason, because I don't think Ench is bad
against Underlord Hoodwink.
So I think maybe they're just looking after us.
You've been saying less and less inch as of late anyway.
It's of a bokeh classic though.
I said that when they announced him as five.
I was like, all right, well, he's playing inch.
Didn't know what else he would play.
But yeah, he is on the inch train unsurprisingly.
Most known for his time as a roamer,
I think most people associate this guy with Monkey King,
with Ricky, Courier sniping, and then
Occasionally he would run out the edge as well, similar logic, just moving around the map, being aggressive.
So, he's very, very experienced on this hero.
It's always good to have a player like that. It's like, if there's a meta when you have Falcons playing, if anch was ever good, you just knew snaking would play it.
Like, if an archer should not be able to do this, probably.
It'll take some damage from Saber Lightning, but be careful.
He's keeping them busy, though. This is going to take a long time.
Alright, I don't get it, but definitely a hassle to do so.
Am I having a good time? So is the Jackie Luna though.
No, I haven't really talked about this lane, mostly because it's not particularly interesting in itself.
DK against Ember, DK should win, has the advantage of Refire.
To get a lot of slack with the Eclipse coming out, that's a kill on Aziel, nicely done.
And that is Jackie's...
Oh, he didn't actually get the kill.
It's always the supports. He's packing the supports.
Doom's about to crack level six here when he responds and TV's down bot.
And perhaps...
there's going to be some revenge coming out from Extreme Gaming the other way.
That joke of being an annoying presence.
See, Norman on the way as well.
Is the eight minute room came.
Saberlight took it towards that top side.
That's probably gonna cost him.
Denying it from Axan.
Oh, maybe not.
They actually go their separate ways as the TP will be successful as XM pretty much out of mana is going to have to go back to base here in a moment.
He has a, he left a run behind, so this is a bit of a tell to Moby that, oh, did he maybe not think about this?
Notice the run that much? He could get dove in the tower potentially.
No, we're not trying that, we're just farming.
Seems to be the default behavior.
Generally, this patch?
I don't feel that choice, go farm.
This mid lane is definitely going well for Moevae as expected,
but at the same time you're also not being overly oppressive to Ember.
So, I have the perspective in this patch that if Ember doesn't get bodied in lane,
the hero is just really, really good.
It doesn't really matter what the matchups in the game are beyond that.
It just seems to always have nice impact, Narmin.
Speaking of impact, we'll feed them a Tombstone probably.
It's negative impact right there. I'm not sure why it's 150 gold for zeal. Enjoy
Norman allowing them to farm in there with tombstone
So Jackie with a mask of madness man, it's gonna be next
Yeah, just standard bill if there's nothing really to me doesn't have to worry about like a shadow demon or anything like that
That, uh, feels like there's a couple of builds after this where you don't go as stat-heavy
necessarily.
Yeah, doesn't have to worry about anything like that, so it's probably just gonna be
the Scotys of the world and butterfly me.
I mean, knowing him, he's gonna go the full I am carry build, but I wonder if this is
a game where Axe is actually good.
I think it's an interesting approach to loan Druid, to buy Axe and play it with DK and
Underlord.
And again, he's been feeding it away.
It's not dead yet.
Savorite shows up with a firestorm and a pit, and he eclips again from Jackie.
He's not going to result in a kill for him specifically.
They will get the kill nonetheless.
They sent the whole world down there, and they do get the kill, but...
See the power of that fiend's gate?
Don't think Extreme are that bothered by that, though.
All of the abilities used for one kill, now they get to take some initiative.
initiative. I think this bottom tower is a foregone conclusion with the siege
with an inch. You need to be careful now on Jacking not to get dove. They're gonna
be very confident. Oh look, it's Narvan. Yeah, puts down a tombstone for that farm,
but the tier one tower this time is defending him.
Already four deaths on the end dying. You prefer sink support on dying or offline
these days? In what do I think is best or what do I think is most fun? What is
best. I think on average I like the five better, but I think it's really fun to watch
Offlane undying when it goes well. Yeah, like it's there's something satisfying
about it, but I think it's a bit hit or miss as a three. I think a lot of the
value that comes out of the undying when it gets sent into late game is this
tombstone save. Yeah. Which as a three, kind of awkward if you're up in front. Yeah.
All the time and they're actually focusing you
There goes the tower, Narmin is out. This is about as good as it was gonna go
For the side of Nemesis, it's good to not try to contest that tower defense
So it would not have ended well with eclipse and fiends gate and cooldown. So they just have to let it go
That's alright. That's a feel to give up on China, Cinder, and then immediately they start rocking out. I'm telling you
whenever I believe in that region they fail everything and I believe in them a
couple of tournaments and then when I abandon all hope then they have one good
tournament and then you start believing a bit again and then they suck for another
half year so it's been a cycle for the last two years if you're a big fan of
Chinese Dota the secret is to just give up no it's for you to give up it's for
the only one who has all I see yeah I mean let's see let's not count our
chickens either because we're only top eight for now.
We at this point.
Yep.
Smoke from Nemesis.
Only gonna find a Zhinkyu though.
Oh nice.
Push by timing there.
Everyone tower looks through theirs.
I think you could mount a Defender if you wanted to but I guess
Not really worth it for extreme.
Losing this tower at this point is also way less consequential.
Lonesome got what he needed out of the lane.
When losing the safe lane tower sucks the most, for a long it's like these early 5-minute rotations
with the siege wave where some sort of support comes through, gets the kill and takes the tower.
But 13 minutes in, he's top net worth.
His jungle speed is super fast, it doesn't matter.
As long as he himself doesn't die.
This is a very early mule near.
Yeah, you think that Nemesis needs to try to find him in that jungle at some point.
Yeah.
And they have no bait blink.
Obviously, the fiends gave from Underlord.
Yeah.
It's not going to be that easy of a kill, though, with their heroes, is it?
Unless Hoodwink is there, too.
Like DK and Underlord, he's absolutely getting his ulti off.
Nice shout out, Baboka.
Going to open it up onto Joka.
Zeal, we have to see the doom this game.
We'll get the support.
Does make them work for it.
Yep.
No TPs to help out though.
Aw, Jack. Abandoned him immediately.
He saw Ancient Creeps and he thinks this is more important.
They're on your own buddy. Goes to the Triangle area.
He's gonna pick up his Yacht now.
Yeah, that's in many nemesis games we've seen Jackie is top of the net worth for them, but this time not in the game
Meeting his match. Yeah, but the good news on me from my perspective is that he has teammates that are somewhat nearby
Yeah, where like we mentioned yesterday. It's not in the case this tournament a lot of games
We need to try to get away, but that's gonna be a tough one
But both got killed off on the other side of the map in the meantime be a trade for Norman
Jinkyu takes the tombstone and leaps away.
I guess that'll be the end of that.
I'd say that.
Moe-Brake blinks in with the dragon tail,
and they get the stun or the burst damage from Joakim, rather.
I guess that will be the end of that.
That'll surely be the end of that.
So, that doesn't punch back here from the side of Nemesis,
but worth keeping in mind is that these aggressive moves from Extreme
actually are kind of defensive in a way because they are the ones dictating all
the moves happening around the map and you know like you talked about how Ami
likes to play so his teammates are just keeping everybody busy he is
completely free and you kind of need to make the decision at some point here as
Nemesis are we going to respond to their plays only or we're gonna actually do
something ourselves and and get on a close and personal to Ami because I want
to say in these last 10 minutes almost every single move and the kills are
relatively even because they trade every time on them but they are not the ones
deciding the location of the fight and it's hard when you're getting pushed
constantly like this entrance is you know taking the mid tower by herself
bottom lane is pushing in zeal actually
The Eclipse comes out, destroys zeal in the meantime and Narmid somehow survived the regime queues
probably coming to finish the job but the bigger deal is that Doom applied to Jackie
Now that's gonna be his first death of the game, double kill for Jin Q.
So in the end, successful gank there from Extreme.
And again, they are taking the initiative. I'm still waiting for the Nemesis move.
And it's not because they don't have the tools like you talked about.
They've de-caped Link and Underlord Ulti.
I feel like this fiend's gaze has been ready for like four minutes.
I don't think this is not a winning recipe against Extreme Gaming. Every time this team
historically loses, it's mostly because they get outpaced. They're very comfortable just
farming and going late, so you need to bring it to them. Ooh, bit of a miss there on the
beautiful Shock Shooter. Thanks, Sam.
Harold. Harold does hit the Undying in the face. He's not going to feel it though.
Well, it's dead after all.
It's just more than the same though.
A lot of heroes in mid, and a lone druid on his lone side.
Yeah, extreme.
I mean, that's the thing that's most shocking to me
when people play extreme.
It's like, I know they're not, but it
feels like they're almost surprised
that they want to go late game.
It's every game is the same.
Dragon Tail, nice stuns, good stun lock overall.
How do they do that?
They need more of that.
They need to find that lone druid more than anything.
It's Joe film.
Oh!
He chased by a little centaur.
He doesn't give up, does he? I mean, it's not...
Obviously never gonna reach. He's just boxing him out, though.
And maybe he can stop microing it, because he's actually dying on a zero.
Who knows.
Looks like he's... Looks like he's fine. Probably okay here.
Yeah.
Zeus?
Like you said, regardless of who's dying on extreme, which is not that many at the moment,
I don't think the radiant lineup has a true counter to laundry 800 acts so once this acts comes out and he probably goes silver
It's the other thing what a silver edge game for the bear under lord and DK
Another one my wife's a good against under lord breaking out of your is really meaningful
Okay, it does a lot of damage reduction and I I mean I assume this works on the bear fully
I don't see why it wouldn't so
If you don't have silver I should have a lot less damage 32% close to him
But you just hit him first with a bear and he actually becomes very very soft
Very soft. Yeah, which is good. You know it is bear hibernation week coming up syndrome. Is it? Yeah, they have these voting
The bears vote well people vote on what the fattest bear is going into hibernation
Oh, that's awesome.
Interesting.
Check it out.
They're sure there really is a moment for everything in the US.
Like, that's incredible.
Who said it's the US?
I'm just sure it is.
I heard what it was.
It's a global phenomenon.
There is no way that they're not originating in the US.
It's a good thing, though.
Maybe it's a positive thing.
Find the chonkiest bear and vote for them.
Yeah, it's nice, too.
They've been doing it for over 10 years now, apparently.
There's been many winners.
One repeat winner. It might have a higher voter turnout in the US than the elections do.
Probably. Yeah. Well, you can do that online, so it's a little easier. Yeah, that's unfair.
They don't try to prevent you from voting. And they show you pictures, which is also very engaging.
Mobe will be spotted by a wild wing ripper. Can't really do anything about this though on extreme.
But again, you just get the feeling that they're chilling. You know?
kind of narrating to the piece of the game that yeah there's this move
happening here and there but hey here's a smoke okay and you can see I'm a on the
other side of the map literally all alone has he taken hero damage in the
last 15 minutes I don't know I don't think so but they haven't even tried
looking for really deal he's cool which lack misses but they should have a
damage anyway. Oh wait a second, the bear? Okay, he's doing all the doom before he dies
and that's going to be really bad for the radiant squad. Saberlight with the fire storm
trying to kill off this undying tombstone as Amé's bear does get it in the end. Still
has another life to work with either way. Now the burst damage at the moment. The doom
runs out but the impetus damage is too much for withstand. They get the root off the XF,
has the remnant up though as the bear continuing to hound and Armin looks to have his sight
said on him, Ame is on a killing screen now. It's a 3 for 1. Finally the bear dies but
now they get the arrow connection into the star storm as Jackie will get the kill onto
XM but it's likely going to cost him his life, gets a double on the way out.
That could have been worse. I mean you got a couple of, like you said, exit kills.
Hey look, Ame's hero showed up.
Man, I don't know why. Staying the demoral support?
I mean that would be one quality of life change is the bear gets a bunch of kills,
it just gets fatter and fatter and the hitbox increases right isn't that it that would be okay
on that thought norman a really good thought here for you when you say unironically that would be
cool it's just like the probability of it actually being cool think of okay there's a lot of mechanics
in the game you just got inspired by the voting for the fat I did that's why game design is really
good all right you get inspired by the most random garbage as we're gonna see a replay here yeah
Anything to delay the hot just keep going bro. Can we get more replays after this one?
This anything you want the fact that he was able to get to do a lot. It's very crucial that you have that Lotus speed
And a nice choice don't say I mean this may things a lot more difficult for decided extreme gaming, but
Ultimately they do break you out of that arrow hits. It's even easier, but they still chase him down
You're gonna see toward the tail end here XM narrowly dying as well as provoked otherwise this would have been a
This asterisk fight for Nemesis is not like somewhat passable, and XM playing super aggressive.
Maybe it goes in a little too far here, because I would have gotten a kill on Jackie anyway.
Okay, got two levels for the Luna kill. Not too shabble up from 10 to 12 there.
Now we have a smoke from Nemesis. Yeah, longer it's on the other side of the map though.
That seems to be the go-to.
I'm not gonna find a connection inside this triangle though
Wrap back around and they'll take out the edge
We get the break but seal jumps and gets the doom onto Saber light
Loads a lot of it too late
He's ticking away. I'm a would love to finish your job and that's tombstone save
Very good counter to the doom. He actually pops out a little early for no reason really
Ame's bear takes a fully clips and they will get it pretty good
They kill inch they kill the bear people come out of that too soon. It's used
Yeah
He definitely could have stayed in there for another second or two to take less damage. It's all good
Yeah, play the guitar on that spear that makes sense
Okay, that's a great idea.
Oh, I'm just hoping you'll forget.
I know you're somewhat curious.
Okay, yeah, I'm kind of, kind of.
Like, killing sprees for the bear or any hero, your hitbox of the hero actually increases.
So it makes you worse against things like Arrow.
Adds an extra layer to the game, right?
You get fat enough, the Arrow is just going to hit in a while.
This is such a trash idea.
Oh man.
You sounded genuinely like you thought it was a good trick.
Yeah, it is a really good idea.
Okay.
See, the thing is...
Let's make Marana better.
That's good.
The thing is, a lot of these ideas sound stupid.
It's about selling them.
I'm not good at selling.
I'm not a good salesman.
I mean, how many things have people thought they really wanted in Dota
because they existed for all time
and they were moved and nobody complained,
complained, even though they thought that they would be mad.
Mana bar is being gone, status bar is being attached to the hero's health bar, to see
how long you get stunned for, like, there's countless mechanics like this.
People don't know what they want, but what I know what we want is a big fat bear with
huge hitbox.
I don't think you've sold it better the second time, I don't think it made a difference.
just keep it up so you can go
you can try to take whatever order
and the break allows the right place to come
and take the tier one as well
another but both could take down
so I mean then it feels like they're doing pretty well
it's just the lone druid that's really a big question mark
and if they can solve that hero then I think
their strategy so far has been a-okay
my concern is just that they can't
we'll see is that a silver edge flying out
No, wait, is he actually going BKB with just Shadowblade in this game?
Wait, why? Isn't this the most insane silver game ever? DKM Underlord?
He cured up the silver as well now, so maybe he's weighing his options.
No question he needs both, but I would definitely do opposite order. All right, Genesis.
There's like first time in the game that they access the enemy triangle, 25 minutes.
Without a smoke, yeah.
Yeah, that's alright.
Butterfly almost there now for Jackie.
Shaperlight almost has axe as well.
See how good that feels now.
So Amni is going to need to get MKB at some point to deal with Luna.
Yep, most likely will.
This is a pretty strong timing for the Radiant to make a move,
But if they're successful, they can just take Roche.
They have an insane Rocheing lineup.
You have, ah, okay, I say insane.
They have a solid Rocheing lineup
between Undying and two right-clicking cores
in DK and Luna.
You take it quite fast.
DK, not really running a right-click build,
but he still does a decent chunk of damage
to Roche with Fireball and everything.
Underlord also helps, like.
Oh, they'll definitely be able to.
That looks like he'll be fine.
Oh, but they see these Fresh Mantas, so maybe they can.
Oh, he actually, they saw him.
Once they did, and try to stay alive,
Pops to Eclipse, he pour head,
just to try to dissuade them from going any further,
taking some damage from the impetus.
Get the pit of Malons, the Saberlight,
showing off that Aghanim Scepter now,
the indictment of the first Vaughn.
There's the Doom, applied to Jackie,
and in comes the bear for the kill.
It's a three for nothing,
and not a good fight at all for Nemesis.
Yeah, that's a good smoke.
That's the difference.
Bear smoke is finding the key hero.
Most of Nemesis' smokes have found an inch.
It's honestly one of the biggest differences between the two teams in this game is who do they kill with their key moves and...
Well...
That's a big one. That's gonna be a road.
See that. If Jackie somehow did not get spotted, they're actually thinking,
what if just got out of the camp running?
Tough left, but... yeah.
Oh.
This is bad. Get up, get up.
They said that after they died on screen?
I think that was a good conclusion from Saberlight. It's bad.
Hey guys, we have four dead. The thing is bad.
This is bad.
This is bad.
I'm not hacking in separate after Jean Q. And that's when the farm from Marana
starts to go a little crazy. And the damage in teamfights. It's no
joke. I did finish the silver. I'm now queuing up the exact items we talked about, PKB into
MKB. XM is going to Bottle and Illusion Room. It's actually quite decent this game against
Pit of Malice. Even late game that can be useful. Could do a clutch dodge of Dragon Tail as well.
I
Shed with a little bit of breathing room now with this 5k lead
That's a fast bear
655 moves beat down the river normal and it is going to find Saber light on this next camp
He's maybe in trouble good read maybe
Get off to go off to the left-hand side
Trying for it again
It's too late. I may not gonna get there
Get to work on the tower as a plan B. I suppose there was a second part of plan A.
60-40 according to our Lord and Savior.
It feels 70-30 to me.
Yeah, I think this is...
But it's also, again, depending on how this is trained to simulate win expectancy,
if it's using a lot of pub games, I think...
This is a, the dire lineup is better in this position in pro than it is in pubs.
I think in pub games they're going to make, Linger is going to make some critical error
a couple of times.
Is it going to include turbo games in this calculations?
That would be interesting.
I mean, it doesn't have much sample size after 30 minutes then, does it?
That's not true actually.
I know, I know.
It's called turbo but it really is sometimes 60 minutes apparently, which is kind of crazy.
No?
What is it?
30 minutes to your fives are 30. Yeah. Yeah. And usually they obviously end the game really
overpowered and strong items. As you know, I mean, the biggest thing is the ancient doesn't heal.
That's why Lich is so powerful. It's like a very big difference. I think that would make
almost no difference in Frodo. Yeah, probably not. Like, how big of a subset of games do you
win because you I mean, it would make it would make a big difference for Kuroki's teams. Right.
Hold on that a little bit longer. Maybe they call GG a little earlier. 30 seconds or so.
Yep. Very good.
Jyn Q opting for a Lincoln's. Very nice against DK. There's nothing really breaking it here,
aside from Lucent Beam, I guess. I saw it right by guess, but Undying is not the most
mobile hero and always going to be in position to do set Lincoln's break. Similar for A-Cone
shot it's like yeah but it's not like easy connections it's mostly Lucent
being able to deal with it. Some big power spikes here for extreme though.
Amit, BKB, Ember, Aghanim, Scepter now completed. Doom is pretty close to
finishing Sheeva's. He's another couple of maybe a minute and a half so the three
those aligning is pretty damn big. The game is 70-30 now. So good news for
Nemesis is they have some items coming as well. Garmin's dead. That's not good news.
He put down a tombstone that's more gold for army. Yeah what is the purpose
of this? It's like four times now. I think he actually put the tombstone before he
got jumped. I think he was playing to farm the wave and some neutral camps with
it, which when you are in that position as undying you have a problem. If you start using
tombstone to farm camps of 30 minutes, things aren't looking great, Joe. Trying his best.
This hero, I hate playing this matchup as hoodwink. It's so annoying. And you're seeing
there why. It's one of the hardest heroes in the game to land bushweapon. And if you
don't, it's just going to run you down relentlessly in the tree lines. Very, very bad matchup.
They gave it away on at the end of the second phase. They gave them ember. It's kind of
Crazy as me. I know they like to take some damage. We'll walk away
pops the BKB as
Mobile shows up in his DK. That's a bigger bear than when it doesn't pop BKB
So that one surely is going to win the contest, right? That's true.
It does not get increased though. This is bigger bear. I guess
Yeah, but this I don't know if this feels like
like, cheating? I guess. You're walking on two legs all the time. It's not really a bear.
It just has bear-like features, I think.
Bears do walk on two legs when they stress themselves against trees.
Dragon Tail. Zeal.
And he's gonna do the Nightfall. Saberlight shows up and maybe they can do some damage
to this Tier 2. So there's no more ages to work with.
This feels like their first move up here in forever.
Yes.
against the London. No. Maybe they signed a truce with Ami. They were like, we think you're good for
the scene. So we're gonna let you have some good games like you used to. Unlike a TI this year.
Yeah, that was painful to watch. Probably one of his most memorable stinker tournaments that I
can think of. I'm sure he would agree himself. It was not pretty. You know stinkers, that's for sure.
All right
Oh wait, oh wait, does not have a T.P.
The vessel applied
It's just gonna die
Offs the dragon form, trying to do some damage on the way out, but he is done though
Has the octorene, so we'll have that dragon form pretty much all the time
His body language there looked
Like despair
It's like...
I forgot to apply T.P.
No, it just looked a bit hopeless, like
I don't want to rig too much into it, but sometimes when you look at a player, it's like they're just done with the game
game. Be sure it's not just his face. Sometimes you have resting forfeit face.
That's very specific. I mean Nemesis have some good items on the way. Talked about
the Octodrine already. The Hurricane, it's not Hurricane, it's going to be
Hydra's breath for Jackie. And then for the Underlord, Shiva's about to be
finished finally so that was a big deal a we increase on pet
promise you down 14k now only has yet to die has yet to take hero damage from
what we've seen yeah he's had a very very easy lone-root game that's often how
it goes when this hero gets picked last for a team and yeah you're picking the
underlord it's a pseudo solution because he's one of the heroes that can lean
against it an underlords game I mean Saberlight did okay and lane it was fine
even got the kill but he's not really oppressive to the lone druid except if you make moves where
you can use fiendscape and that's the one thing in my eyes that's been missing this game is finding
those connections. I joke him here opting for a consecrated raft, it's pretty unusual here for
the hoodwink. Just needs or he thinks he needs more defensive utilities to try to survive the
Ember survived the bear does nullifier work against the
The barriers. Yeah
Takes all three off believe so
Not worth buying it for though, obviously, but
So Moe Bay
Inceptor is gonna be next on his list
And the items are just coming out so much slower, unfortunately for them.
I believe this is a Lincoln's on the way for XM very shortly.
That's huge.
And the Bear's going to have Disperser next.
And Ag's already half done, I believe, for the Doom.
And we're going to have a little bit of engagement here.
Light Shadow, XS is going to remnant out.
Amé's Bear is going to work.
There's the Doom.
Again onto Jackie just trying with all his might to run away with that BKB.
KB it feels like most of the fights have been like this. Stop all the fights that come there.
The arrow just tap, completely death. Ame kills off Moby. Gets the savor like kill as well.
This is not even remotely close. Infernal Blade is burning out. Triple kill for Ame.
And now the buildings will start falling.
I mean, this is, what's this? Two sets? Mid and bottom are open. You have low and druid.
One buy back on the Lord isn't going to do anything, and they do have waves connecting
bottom soon.
It's actually going to be a little long, maybe they'll get a little backdoor protection
for a couple of seconds before mid gets there, but yeah.
Left with the Fair just doing its thing.
Wave inbound.
See the Reef, they're a very decisive move here from Extreme.
I love the way that they're using the edge to just try to break into fights.
He's just in the middle of the river, sees the DK, pikes him, fight breaks out, you have no element of surprise on the radiant team and immediate doom onto the Luna just ruins his fight.
Unlucky for Saber Lane.
Yeah, that was pretty unfortunate.
It didn't look like that Arrow was intended for him, just randomly TP'd into it.
Two sets.
Just gonna be uphill battle for Nemesis now.
Another despair clip understandable. They just lost 15,000 gold in one minute
It's rough not doing with eggs
Yeah, doesn't get any
It's a panic on there
He's did he switch it up from the fusel then I take it. Yeah
It's a pretty tanky bear 5000 HP
17 armor
Nice attack range
Right now, this is our smoking, feels like a last-ditch effort, scanning up, but they're
scanned as well.
Movi in the dragon, it's a full-king nice stuff coming out from the pit, onto three.
Not a whole lot of follow-up, this Narva just gets destroyed by Armey.
Now the AOE Doom, with the congregations up to deep on the jackies, able to get the four
staff away.
It looks like he's going to drop anyway.
Saber-Lite next on the list is Zeal, just catching up to everybody, so letting this
fair, go to town as GG's called. Game one to extreme. Nice performance. Think fair to say,
at least for me, the expected results. They got a really good lineup. They are the favorites heading
in. And I definitely think, you know, some signs of life from them. It says it wasn't like they
rolled over, but they did never connect onto the launch rate in a 38 minute game. It was never the
target. And I think a couple of adjustments in the drafting phase could make game two more interesting.
Army 10 and 0.
Richard.
He's back, Sun's fan.
Almost as if he never went away.
Yes, a bit of a rough one there for Nemesis.
And Cinderan, as he often does, hit the nail on the head.
It's like they just weren't able to shut down
Army's lone druid.
I was going to mention what Cinderan
said at the start of the cast, actually.
I really agree with this idea that Extreme
got all of the best heroes in the game.
And I think Nemesis had a pretty good draft
in terms of against Extreme,
but they simply had all the S tier heroes, right?
And you can see why teams are banning,
you know, Ember Spirit, for example,
or they're banning Lowndrude.
If not banning it, they're like hard countering it,
picking the Viper as the position one or whatever.
Yeah, all my best game did amazing.
The hunting that he was doing with the bear across the map was so annoying.
This guy was in the right spot at the right time.
He killed like four tombstones in that game or something.
Like this dude was, he was on one.
It's a little early maybe for Nemesis because it seems like they haven't woken up properly.
Quite a lot of mistakes in the laning stage.
Like the first clip that we showed immediately showing some of the mistakes the way they played that lane.
Hoodwink missing some bushwhack as well not getting a return kill as well. This is supposed to be like a strong lane
You have hoodwink, pit of battle is firestorm. Keep them inside almost for the full duration
With the blood donation be able to get some kind of a some kind of a kill
But seems like they definitely misplay that one and also red lane
Again, like we are seeing some of these quote-unquote counters to ember spirit
But this earth doesn't care about it
He's always gonna get the farm no matter what. He builds his spirit vessel insane amount of damage and then he makes the rotations happen to
Both side lanes and keeps getting very active. He has been involved in like one in three out of 30 kills
It's just so much in the game, man
Like you can't you can't just soft counter at mid if you're gonna let it through especially to 18 pick where
With an 18 pick, that's this that's the strongest pick in in the draft for that draft order for a reason
you get the the bands to protect Ember and not that they even really needed it because
it was a it was a DK mid. But you know, talking of 80% win-right heroes, Longer looks like
an amazing hero. The nerfs really didn't do that much on the patch. And Aume looks like
an expert on this hero. Like, I mean, the build was stock standard. The the gameplay,
You know, he knew his strengths.
He just kind of free farmed for the first 10, 15 minutes of the game.
The moment he picks up that agonist scepter and he's got the maelstrom, he's just hunting.
Like he was a menace for these supports.
And I feel like that's the modern loan to root is that you are not just this
like split pushing rat who can take towers.
You are a hunter.
You have a bear that's running around the map that is going to the back camps,
finding a support and killing the support and nowhere feel safe on the map you had just random tombstones being dropped
There was a time there were mobile didn't bkb TP out why it looked so silly to see that
There's a reason because he thought on my spare was on him and that would cancel the bkb TP
Right. This is the fear that he was instilling in them throughout the whole game by just having the bear in those annoying positions
They didn't have the best heroes to hunt out the bear you have this
Underlord that can maybe go through the twin gates, but someone needs to set it up
And I think also with Dragonite and Underlord who can be the one who's setting it up
They don't have enough damage like you need to bring plus one support
Otherwise, you're not gonna be getting the kill anyway, and you're also
Forcing our rotation showing three heroes on the map which does allow
XG to potentially strike on the other side of the map. Yeah, so we take a look at what happened over the course of the game
20 minutes. Yeah this fight at that point the game was kind of even and again
another missed bushwhack from Joakim which does allow Doom to get the Doom
onto Dragonite. A little bit of a save is gonna come out, Tombstone, a Lotus Orb
comes in also relatively late and they're fighting in this area where like
Luna should be able to clean up potentially but look at the way that
HG is using the fog like they're going up to the hill up and down they have the
high ground advantage Luna's gonna get like more than maybe they should have
gotten in this fight where she's gonna be able to stand her ground and try to
deal some extra bit of a damage she pops the glaives and she's gonna be ready to
clean up some of the kills but other than that it just doesn't feel like there is
that one easy option for Nemesis to go in because you are playing against Doom
he's always gonna counter your strongest hero in this case this was gonna be like
dragonite at the time and Luna as well throughout the whole game she just
suffers like you see the itemization she keeps the mask of madness she doesn't
go for satanic because she can't heal so she just wants to be able to deal more
damage instead of lifestealing because it doesn't work and the doom just takes
her out and it kind of a follow-up stun and it kind of you know any spell
pretty much on top of Luna without a BKB she's gonna die during that doom
duration and I think we're gonna see an example of this I know what you clipped
that 26 minutes. Yeah, this was this was really rough and unfortunate just a
little bit of a misalignment on who they're going on and where you know the
pit actually stopped people from running into Jack boys here he puts himself in
a position where he gets easily doomed up the supports are separated on on the
left as well yeah and they were not on the same page you saw like saber light
He's ready to go in a bit of malice here runs again to the low ground
So they have high ground advantage and also moonlight shadows running
They have sent a word available on side of HD
So they know that they can't really see them and Luna loses vision goes back to low ground
And then the clips doesn't even deal damage. We even played the comms from that. It's like
Yeah, a bit of a rough one but look nemesis are better than that
They've shown that over the course of this tournament. That's just probably one of those games to forget
Extreme are looking very good, but Nemesis can get back into it
And so with that said we are gonna take a quick break and we will see what happens in just a few moments
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I don't know if the score is good or not, but I think it's normal to play in a 4-0 game.
Basically he said that dying in Tormentor is very normal, so he disagrees.
So it's like zero.
For me, dying in Tormentor is fine, but sometimes your team is one to kill you, you cannot really change anything.
For me, I don't want them to bring it back because the midlaners just keep taking the courier, so it's not good.
Yeah, you too, I agree.
He agrees, so yeah.
I think we can discuss it and then we can talk about it.
If we can win, it will definitely be great, but it's very difficult.
SinkQ said, it will be very good if you win with us stunts,
but if you can, then it will be really good.
It's hard, but if you can win, it's good.
For me, stun is necessary, so I don't agree, yeah.
Night, because, for both of us, because nobody really argues.
Yeah, it has to be everybody's signature.
If you believe that, you believe anything.
No, I do believe it with the extreme, guys.
I'm sure no one flames that we flame each other on the panel all the time
We were just literally doing it there while while you were watching that segment
That's why they swap us around all the time if you know, you know
Anyway, Nemesis let's set it up
They gave us these lovely cushions that you saw earlier today. So we really want them to do well
We've got the cast the bias going on
But they're just gonna have to do better than that and I'll come back to your point Andrew
which of course was Cinderella's point.
Four out of the five heroes that Extreme had
are probably the best heroes here at this tournament.
And it doesn't really matter how you draft around that
if you're gonna give that up, I think.
So hopefully a bit more thought process goes into
not just what you take, but what you give away.
Yeah, that's why I said that we don't see these heroes
together, it just looks weird,
but these are strong meta heroes
that have insanely high win rates,
especially Ember Spirit.
This hero in the first stage,
he has 62% win rate,
the one picked in the second stage,
which he was picked this game on 18,
has 80% win rate and only one game
where he was picked overall as the last pick,
100% win rate.
So the further, like the later you pick him in the draft,
the better the hero is.
That's how Dota works most of the time,
but this is a very, very good example
of what the hero can do,
because you could see the writings on the wall after seeing Mironovic, after Enchanters,
we said that they needed a hero who can play with those two heroes, and that's what they
did because the laning stage went pretty smoothly, especially the lone druid lane, where they
got way too many kills, and the bottom lane, arrows just do, like, you know, doom, standard
stuff with the rotation, grabs a kill, gets level six, gets the doom, pretty easy, pretty
telegraphed and scripted the way they played.
Yeah, I agree. And honestly, this can work on some patches and for some teams to basically
pick a bunch of B tier heroes against a bunch of S&A tier heroes. If you're specialized
in the heroes that you're picking, I feel like Luna is just very uninspiring as a carry
in general. I would be more inspired if it was like, whoa, anti-mage, you know, something
Okay, maybe not anti-mage, but like maybe I was Angelful spirit. It's like F tier. Yeah about buff
He did yeah, five percent or yeah
I vengeful spirit or something that like Jackie boys has been playing a lot in in his pubs that that looks really good same with
Norman on undying it's
This year is always gonna do the same shit, you know, I would really I know it was banned
But I really much rather see him on his techies or something like that something where he is
is clearly popping off with it in the current meta.
The problem is that he's this S tier,
but you got what I'm saying, right?
It's like, if you're going to give away all the S tier heroes,
you better get something that either makes a lot of sense
in terms of the draft synergy,
or it's stuff that you're insanely specialized
with like how Falcons used to drive,
or it doesn't matter if you're giving away S tier stuff,
you're getting the things that you're really good at.
And the last draft just wasn't that.
Agreed. I think as well, you know, like the heroes
that can't play from behind. Like it's just miserable to be on a lunar and you're just getting
battled like that. There's nowhere you have to do anything. There's an issue. Like if there was no
doom in that game, I think she has a pretty, like I would say 15% higher chances of winning that game
if that elf laner is something different. It's just that one doom takes you out of the fight
completely. Also, like Joakim on this hoodwink, it didn't look too good. Missing a couple of spells.
This is this kill shot hero after all and also consecrated wraps as an item
That was that was crazy. What was that? That was crazy bad. I don't know
I actually like it makes no sense to buy that item. This is the off-laner item
Maybe you can buy it from the mid lane on certain heroes
I don't even think it protects you from the bear or anything like the bear you rather go scepter, right?
Hmm the wraps does nothing the bear will do enough damage to kill doesn't do anything against the doom
like it doesn't do anything against like pretty much any of the heroes.
He's not getting doomed, yeah.
Yeah, he's just not it. I don't know. I also don't think that even if he bought different items,
the outcome would still be the same, but also not an item that you need to buy in that scenario.
And this seems like they do believe in Dragonite as a hero. So we'll pick it straight away.
I have been like something that the Jean Q did on Marana is we are seeing these
Like sage mask he did have two of them at the time like even before turning that into urn just to have the mana region
We have been seeing a lot of like during ti to sage mask and dying from the offline
We saw 33 with the three sage mask on enigma as well
just trying to buy less items like less consumables to spend the money on and
have something to be strong at all time. Yeah it's always really nice when you
can turn your efficient early game items into something that's sustaining you
later. We're also seeing that with soul ring components. Yes. Like if somebody
wants to go brace your soul ring they go three gauntlets and then bring a
protection and you're using all of your items and something just feels so
complete about that where there's no point in the game where you're weak because
You're not wasting money on region wasting money. I say if you're greedy, it's a waste of money
I think I was didn't 33 said that was the optimal
Yeah, if you yeah, you can get away with it send the tangos out
Yeah, and you're basically spending all of your gold on stats which makes sense because a hero with you know
80 extra HP because you're spending that money on stats is
You know, you don't have enough nukes to kill that hero a level one because of that 80 HP
So it can be worth the sending the tangles out on the career is is this a replay?
What are we doing here? It's pretty much the same heroes except for ember spirits
Sure, they can find another one like any of the other spirits will do the trick
We saw insanely good performance yesterday from some male and void spirits
This hero also plays well with two of the supports as well if they want to be running storm spirit
for extreme gaming that also works and
And this time around there is no OD ban. We wanted to see it in the previous game and
I think this might be it for XM if he wants to run it even Viper against Ursa. It's very good. It's very good against Dragonite
So I'll be looking to close out the phase with hero for XM for either Viper or Bode
I couldn't use the Ursa, we talked about how good them are when they get these Blink carries.
Yeah, they're way better for sure. Ursa DK is super nice because man, if you stun anyone, they're dead.
That's a really nice thing. And DK is always pushing lanes as well.
And Ursa loves that because then heroes have to show in lane to, you know, counterpush them, you can decay stun into Ursa, jump them.
And I like this as well. This team, to me, at least in this tournament, just feels so much better when they have two ranged heroes,
and then their carry is a melee guy, and mid being a melee guy, sure, that's fine, right? Like some spirit, some jump hero.
Like this looks like they're successful drafts to me even Saber being last pick is
Remniscent of a lot of their wins in this tournament
And yeah, the Viper and ODD mentioned both looking really good
They do well against winter wyvern who of course will be protecting from physical damage and
You know Viper OD both doing a lot of magical damage
And they have something in mind with OD. This is the hero that takes Roshan relatively easy 15 seconds in
Roshan's pretty much gonna die and if you can steal that from Ursa
I think teams have gotten better over years of playing against Ursa
Especially with the addition of the Tormentor where they are the ones 20 minutes in going for the smoke play maybe getting a pick-off or
Collecting the information on the map going for the Tormentor immediately if they have the damage to do so again
OD, one of the better heroes out there to do these objectives, and if you can steal away from Ursa,
it feels very, very good because this hero realized this is pretty much the hero to have the ages
and then control the map go for these aggressive plays. Especially against Doom. It's like the
number one way to counter the heroes. You just respawn. And I think like Pango is the other
hero that XM has been flying. I don't think you can do it. But they're going to go for...
This could still technically be on my Slark, but I would actually say it's less likely right now.
Yeah, and they also don't have the overall last pick, so they will have to show it. I think
this is the hero that we talked about during the previous draft that it's still good against
Dragonite. We talked about the matchup. It is just a recap. Tell us why.
It's very very good because of these early levels like Dragonite can still play this lane
I we've seen it only once so far, but throughout the game. It's very good against the Slark
He can like these heroes don't really have much mana
He builds into the fusel blade and also stealing the region from these heroes is gonna feel very very good
So I feel that the lockdown that they have
Slark is more than fine problem is they have no tower damage whatsoever
That's why they banned out laundry it because you can't really end the game with these heroes
So looking at what they have right now seems like it might be a bit of a longer one
Unless we're gonna be seeing something from our made that can speed things up
Is this the game for the off-lane DK well will we see it here that that's what I'm thinking
Can Saber just pick the off-lane DK and then they have an absolute last pick
Like imagine if they pick something that completely dumpstered a Slark mid, especially
if Extreme picks in a way where Aume is going to have to take that hero to the safe lane
on the 23 pick.
What if they pick something for Nemesis that will go mid that will just dumpster a Slark?
Like lean us out, OD, oh they're thinking that is actually an option then.
That's so funny.
OD bands are so different like what else would would entirely shit on a
Slark mid? Leshrac he hates to play against that hero. If they can bang it out I think
some male played the only Leshrac at the last TI he did play it from the carrier
role I believe. I believe they lost that game as well but this is one of the
counters to Slark. Bring Blitzee back. What is that again? Say that name again? Who?
It's been a while. What do we want for Ami? If this is going to be Midslark, which we
assume it's going to be, if we think about the heroes with high armor, TV definitely
comes to my mind. I don't know how Ami feels about playing Morphling as well.
There's a DB, there's one.
It would have been really good against Ursa DK.
But I feel like they need something else.
They don't have a stun.
Is it greedy to go Spectre? Is that insane? I mean I guess I would give DK a free line
if they wanted to do the swap and they're already thinking about it.
I think it needs to be something that can potentially pressure the lane, something with a stun.
I don't know if we have that hero.
Okay, but there it is. It is a hero with a stun. It is a hero that is good in the lane.
Oh, this is smart. This is smart.
This monkey can also go to the mid lane.
Yeah, so now like, and if DK goes off lane, then Monkey can go safe lane.
Yeah.
Like they have options. Both their Slark and their Monkey can go safe for mid.
And they can pick whatever is best. So now it's it's it's hard to throw the DK off lane, but
You also don't want to put it mid
I think I'd rather go off lane DK here and then and then bang out the Leshrac
Leshrac like even Queen of Pain. I feel like these heroes can be very good
There's only one real big ability that you're afraid of and that's do I know Queen of Pain's not
Dehero right now, but I think it could be very good with the AOE spells against these three melee cores
What else is there necro is also well, that's there's doom. Yeah, the doom enchantress doom makes it a bit rough
You'll be no would have been sick, but mobile is just too good at it at the first phase it I
Feel like wherever this dragonite goes. He's not gonna be having that good of a time
But he's going mid whether he's going off lane
What's the lesser of two evils in your opinion, where would you go?
I've output him offline and pick a different mid
Okay, I'm curious to see who picks what because so it is gonna be Moe Bay on Viper
Which is one of his best heroes
In fact, remember when he stood in for another team and he was like only playing Viper. Yeah, that was really funny
Yeah, we probably should have guessed that one. So it will be DK offline played by Saber light
And now whoever goes mid against the Viper, which looks like it's gonna be XM will struggle
The Viper-Sarc matchup you'd think is kind of okay for Sark because he can press Q and take off that really
The Viper is Q, but it's it's not like that. You know, you're still taking a lot of damage
It's costing you mana every time you do that and then Viper clicks you twice and
You know you're back up to like two three stacks of that. I don't know guys. I'm happy. I see this Slark and
God, this is gotcha, pig, you know, I'm gonna destroy you in the lane and then he has to like this is XM
We're talking about who has to suffer against Viper. This is what he does to other players. We're kind of happy about it
Oh, I see. Yeah satisfying. It is that's that's funny
Maybe he's like some expert at it what you need to do against it though because he's always the Viper on the other side I
Don't know how you play this matchup
You might need to be dragging the creep wave like something that Ember does.
Try to drag the creep wave behind the tower because otherwise it is very, very difficult.
And these are three melee cores into Dragonite, Wyvern, Ursa, and Viper.
So it feels like, I don't know, I feel like Extreme Gaming overcooked with the draft that they have.
I think so too.
Which will have, which tends to happen with Extreme sometimes.
And Offlane DK is not the worst melee hero against Monkey 2.
Because you can stun him and walk away. He also has like a hoodwink with him. So you've got the double stun
You can cut waves. It's fine. You're always okay
Putting a bad matchup in the off lane because you can always cut waves and kind of roughly 50-50 the lane
So I think Saber will do fine. What about composition beyond the landing stage though?
Yeah, I don't think there's much composition for extreme gaming
It seems like a bunch of random heroes on one team compared to the other side which does like even the other draft
the game. The draft isn't
like very delta like so. I
think we're in for a treat. I
think this game is going to be
very fun because it's not
traditional offlaners. It's
not traditional mid laners.
All right, then. Unconventional
draft will throw you over to
the sidelines to ask about it
because we can get some nuggets
with Nomad. Thank you, Richard.
Yeah, I'm here with Mr Arthur
from Nemesis. Firstly, Game
number one didn't go your way.
Do you feel like in that
I feel like I'm not really so concerned about the draft.
Maybe 18 and a break would be good, but we also were happy to play DK into it.
So that was part of the discussion.
And long drew it, you know, we kind of did our research on, I mean,
he doesn't really like long drew anymore, but I guess last week long drew it
just a bit too much.
So yeah, we respect that it this time.
Fair enough.
And then game number two, obviously we have the Slark and this monkey
king coming out against the DK, meaning as Link counters wherever it goes.
So was there much of a discussion between Moby and Sableye as to who's
going to take this hero.
Yeah, of course, you know, he's a flex boy,
so we definitely were discussing a bit about that.
And Saber is just like, I can play and do anything,
like super chat.
So he tanks it against us, man, monkey,
and then we get like a green hero against the Slug mid.
So we're happy about it.
Let's see how the players are.
Let's see indeed.
Thank you very much, Arthur.
Good luck in this game as we send it over to our castes
of Sunspawn and Cinderan.
Thank you, Nomad.
Yeah, this, I agree with the panel,
and it's going to be an exciting laning stage
to watch with these weird ass heroes in mid and safe so what are your thoughts
syndrome what I was like your throat before you speak sorry sorry rude excuse
me don't want to hear that disgusting flannel I'm so sorry my question was
just it was this was this necessary I guess is what I was thinking like picking
Slark in that spot especially our our framework in this tournament so far we've
We've seen one Slark against DK, which with BZM on the DK, and he won the lane.
So I don't know if Slark even counters DK that hard, or if that was just a one-off.
That's the first thing.
The second is, one of XM's best heroes was in the pool.
OD was in.
There was also Viper, if you wanted to run that into DK.
So perhaps what they were thinking was, we want a mid-hero that can initiate something,
and Slark obviously has the pounce to try to get things started, but it comes at a cost,
right?
the flex and that's exactly what Nemesis take advantage of, putting DK off lane now.
As a result of that, he'll be laning into Monkey King, but I think that lane is playable,
actually, for Saber-Lite, so as far as I'm concerned, these are definitely better conditions
for Nemesis than game number one.
Now we'll see if he's able to survive the laning stage.
Saber-Lite's perspective, as we already see a bushwhack on that bot side, Ami is going
to get re-fired down, so not only can Saber-Lite survive, he can get first blood on Ami.
Look at these creeps. How many of them will die before he tepees in so far one?
It's not gonna be that bad
A single creep lost two creeps. Yep could be worse for Ame. I mean still just getting the first blood down there
It's already really nice for mss
DK the one to grab it even better. This is going to be
the very fast boots here for Saberlight, which might not sound all that exciting, but it
is a very good item against Monkey King. It makes a huge difference to get this early.
It's a lot harder for him to try to bully. Speaking of bully, XM has been watching Mal
Rean's replace, and he's pulling the wave. What if we just don't lane? But unfortunately
for him, he's not now reigned so he didn't do it very well. Maybe he gets a do-over.
Also there's two sides to this, it's also about Moby making the right adjustments. And
well, he has XM not successful with that attempt at some shenanigans.
Yep, 14 and 7 versus 8 no start and it's probably only going to get worse once Augusta Viper
is level 3 already.
This lane is unplayable if you don't pull the wave and he didn't manage to.
So I think he's going to try again on the next one.
If Almobe's on him, this is good stuff, this is what you want to do, it just has to pounce.
Brought the wave with him though.
Is Mobe going to be able to connect the next wave?
No.
Okay, so maybe this is not what you want to do.
I actually thought he was going to be in time, but this does make a pretty big difference.
Now Slot gets a full wave. If Moby would have copied what he did the last time around
with bringing the next wave over to the right-hand side, then we would have had another just regular
lane situation in the river. Now, they both get to lane a wave against a wave under the
tower, or between the towers, excuse me. Laning in 2026. I mean, this is Apex human evolution
right here really cool stuff previous level if you guys enjoy 1v1 this is not
the lane for you in this game this is a 0v0 that's right it's a PvE yep
I wonder if this is smart for sure it's like this is supposed to be by her
winning right so if you draw on even a single or two single waves that's already
good how's the match of Ursa versus Monkey King is gonna pull that thought
Narmin got pretty low Jackie's gonna try to turn this around to zeal pops the Lotus
But now has to run away as the scorched earth is doing work. Narmin gets off the cold embrace
This Jack is gonna take a star storm a double to the face and he's dead
So both off lanes finding kills here
How is Ursa into monkey king
Let's say it's one of the more interesting matchups
Historically, Ursa is very good against MK because you just jump him and kill him in the ring.
But ever since changing of the guard has been included as a part of that ult, you can kind of kite Ursa during your ulti.
So, I think a lot of it comes down to who gets the better setup.
Monkey King Mido's itemized specifically against Ursa.
Oh my, there he is.
Watch back into the dragon tail, save her life.
Won't find the kill, just trying to get out of range of this.
Jin do stack one more right click would do for Ame, but he's actually going to bounce for it and he gets it.
Good ol' juicy lifesteal, doesn't have his balance from the 15 though.
Speaking of pounce, I think Slark hasn't got to see us the last two minutes while we've been looking at other things, so...
Back to normal.
He's going Midas, very good.
Yes, let's pick Slark mid and rush Midas.
This is definitely what they were planning for.
Yeah, that basically means that they're...
I mean, we know that Omni's not going to get involved early on, so they're going to be very slow.
slow he might actually he's playing one of his most active heroes okay I'll
believe it when I see it's insane but Norman stars are finishing up on the
right over it is enough with zeal getting another kill yeah this one courtesy
of the chain lightning creep his army trying to stand his ground gets bush
whacked those saber light we'll give him the jingoo stacks eventually we will
We'll hide under the tier one.
Sure they don't kill him, but he has to go back to base.
That's already not all that great for the DK.
XM.
He's close to level five.
Yeah, he's almost there.
Small bay level six, of course.
That's no big deal.
We can't just kill him.
Pretty soon here?
Oh, yeah.
We need a plus one.
There's always pounce, so...
It's not that easy, but y'all don't have to kill him.
Just keep bullying him, keep farming yourself, all right?
Nice CS there from XM.
I'm gonna celebrate every individual creepy man just to get here and what is he at now 16 and 3 versus the 36 and 19
Yeah
Somewhat the equivalent of laning against huskars something like ember. Yeah pretty much how it's bound to go
Pascar would not have been a good pick with a doom in the game
Yeah, Joakim on baboka Joakim is not gonna win this at all. He's actually just almost gonna die here
Yeah, he's sticking around as long as possible
Oh, he's dead.
The wolf?
Oh, lucky.
That's right.
Click on the male.
OK, so Boboka gets the shrine, Saberlight.
Now with the help of the alpha wolf,
going to try to finish off Boboka as Jin-Q kills Norman
off camera.
He does get the stun, but I think Boboka is dead anyway.
Space?
Yeah, sure.
He's losing a wave and tower on Saberlight, actually.
So this is not as bad as it might seem for Xtreme to spend the time on that.
There were a lot of creeps in the tower that he couldn't connect with while chasing down Boboka.
And now, in spite of getting first blood done here, Amisahib had a full level onto the DK.
Oh, yeah, that's a good comparison.
Thank you. It's outfarming the mid XM.
How did XM do 456 damage to this game?
Probably just got backed.
He got a couple of swings in, I suppose, with some...
I have to think for a moment what that's called nowadays.
Jinkyu level 6, and that star storm is hurting.
They have owned this top lane so hard compared to what I think is the expected outcome, and
that is playing a very big role here.
Having such an early level 6 on Marana and Doom, and you've got both Wisdoms, the tempo
in this game, like you said, maybe I won't get involved so much, maybe they won't even
need to.
I mean, he won his lane, unsurprisingly, attempted TP, he's fine, he's good to go, takes the first Viper Strike of the game, I do believe, so wasted rotation from Moe Bay.
Slark gets to lane, look at XM, he's so happy.
He's so happy that he leaves the lane.
Yeah, well, and he's like, wait, I can hit creeps.
Yeah, he'll miss a CS here.
Oh that sweet sweet solo XP no denies I
Wonder if Midas is actually
More gold for him than buying an item with mono regen if he's gonna be playing so much in the jungle and spamming dark pack
Maybe would have been better to
Get a component that has somebody build Midas syndrome. Yeah, not this hero though
It's fine. There's two heroes in Dota that the limes go
It's funny to see somebody random by Amidus.
Right.
I did not like an inspector, for example.
There's two heroes that it's consistently good on, and that's the two heroes that multiply it.
True.
Mark Warden and Ogre, of course, Narmin.
Again, going to be sacrificed. He's died a lot this series already.
He did not have fun on dying in this wyvern game. Not much different.
Ooooooh!
Jinx.
So, Jackie again. Not quite there in time.
I said Jackie, Saberlight rather.
He's just seeing the position 1 DK.
Saberlight is off to a 2-0 start, ends up in the bot lane again,
and is Ame going to get his Jingu stacks, and goes to his government,
and it is Zeal.
Oh, but Ame got a little bit of damage.
Jingu's not enough to keep him healthy, surprisingly enough.
And now, Jocum's going to get burned down.
But Zeal, they're going to get two core kills, so Nemesis is finally something going their way.
Alright, Savorlight is the saving grace, it seems 3-0-1 for him so far.
Yep, doing work on that dragon knight.
Mobey is 0-0-0 by the way. As Jackie is going to be found, we'll have to pop the Enrage to stay alive.
To be fair, that's a pretty standard Viper scoreline at 11 minutes.
But considering how much he's moved around.
That's true.
You could argue he actually wasted a lot of time.
Not Jackie.
Yeah, no on range.
Uh-oh, they see the creeps movement path so they know he went there.
Yes, not loud enough, on the catch up.
It's slightly slowed by Ame, well, her shock to the low ground.
That was not a great jump.
Arrow hits, of course it hits Viper.
Armand is just everybody's food this series, it seems.
I mean, I don't know what you've been instead, but I...
ZinQ is super, super good on this hero at this turn of it.
In general, he's always been a good Murana player, but he has definitely impressed me the most out of anyone.
Just individual skill, his overall spell casting, and it speaks for itself how much they've dumpstered this top lane.
Like, this is not supposed to happen.
Only two games play from in both of them were stellar performances.
Now Jackie getting on on.
Well, got a couple TP supports.
Classic Baboka and just oppressive, taking space away.
ZL, looking for a doom.
We'll get it off of Moeba.
Got a strike onto two.
Do we have to follow?
Oh, it's the arrow again.
Yeah, that is the deck of Moeba.
Jokam, I mean, they don't need to chase XM.
Using that ult to get up to a respectable amount of HP.
Saber like getting blocked by JinQ.
the dragon finally steps ahead but he's gonna get slowed and this is a killing
screen that's gonna be put to an end. Oh XM gets it. He's ahead of Ursa now.
Oh boy and he's got the Midas so it was the correct choice in the end. Okay
that's interesting to conclude after not using it yet. What do you mean he's
he's used it? Has he? Yeah. He has two charges. Doesn't it only come with one? I
I never buy this item. I think it comes with two.
Does it come with one?
The fact that I don't know that for a fact says a lot about the state of this item.
I genuinely, I almost exclusively disagree with people buying this.
Like almost always. And the stats speak for themselves too.
But now that you know it comes with tea charges, maybe you should recalibrate your brain.
I'm not positive you're right.
Why wouldn't it? What else works like that? What comes out cool down when you buy it?
Well, it's not cool. It has one choice Jesus. That's effectively a cool down
Go, you know what? Why don't you quit out of this game? You're not of any use anyway. Make a demo lobby
Make a demo lobby and just do it
And then you can gloat if you're correct
Waiting for you to disconnect. Yeah waiting to find the button which apparently is gone. That's not easy
Alright, well, you can't figure that out, you won't be able to figure out the minus here.
You're safer now.
The stream with the 3K lead.
There, you might be right, honestly.
Oh, you're coming around, you're just always making me question myself.
Jesus.
Yeah, it feels like it too.
Really?
Yeah, to me it does.
I mean, I suppose.
Maybe 73.
Be fair.
That's quite crazy though, but it is worrisome that Slark has the same net worth as Viper
now.
Like that is not good, to say the least.
Movement being made here from Nemesis, Xen knows he can be seen.
Such a ridiculous passive to have.
Well, Nemesis is going to group up to try to get this Tier 1, but the Moonlight shot
on that from extreme looks like they may want to fight.
XM is going to show himself.
They know exactly where they are.
Yes, they do.
Arrow, okay.
Not an invisible hero, not bad.
Meanwhile, X, or, oh, may rather, has the Battle Fury and is going for Aghanims as the second
item.
old-school bill yeah what would you normally see a lot of the time the
second item would be like Manta sometimes BKB I think in rare cases you
could go like butterfly or Scotty second but yeah acts is definitely not the
normal build so it's cool to see suppose we also don't get to see much carry
monkey king in general so yeah any build is kind of interesting at this point I'll
I'll take any new hero in the game to spice things up a bit, felt like the hero pools in a lot of the positions have been pretty static for a while.
I can't say the rest of the lineups are all that interesting.
And it's Larkus, you know, a little spicy, but starting to become a mainstay in some of these matchups too, so I think it's cool.
So it looks like XM will just pick along in standard build after this Midas, he's going
to Fusel, and then...is it Silver Edge he's got queued up after? Shadow Blade and Lincoln.
This is a good Silver Edge game.
Yeah, it's very good.
Okay, Viper.
It's, by extension, it's also a good Axe Doom game.
Now, Jackie's spotting, Black Sea and Rage.
It's just a couple of supports running around, being a nuisance, GenQ's gonna force a TP out.
Nobody shows up, and a single leap away to safety.
It's quite telling about Xtreme's overall read on this game, how their supports are playing on the map.
Like, very aggressive in the enemy jungle.
They feel safe out here.
Yeah, they get the Sharpshooter on the edge, but Junk is gonna take a full star storm from Jin Q.
Blubons doesn't die!
Blubons doesn't die to anything though.
So they're about to continue to chase, but okay.
Oh, Ally dies.
Supply for a strike.
They get the trade of supports.
It's five, man, this is heroes here.
To get a support tradeoff in the meantime, Slark is completely free down bottom.
the
if you would have asked me
at five minutes what the odds were a slark having the same net worth as my bird at 17
, say that's pretty damn unlikely yet to deal with that 1200 more games in the last five minutes for the slard
This is starting to look like a stomp actually like that 80 starting to yeah
I mean at the time when it was when it said 80 20
It's like a 2k lead you still saw some potential for plays for nemesis, but these last couple minutes have made things significantly worse
And now Slark actually gets to play the game for the first time
XM now has an item
There'll be a nuisance for Jackie
This is how they're going to play the map now.
Slark is going to try to box them out of their jungle together with Ench and Marana.
And Monkey King can connect if he wants to.
The jump hunt is a zeal.
This would be a nice pick up by first strike.
This is going to cost them though.
It's not going to be an easy disengage.
Somebody's going to run into some sort of trouble.
They're extreme.
Actually, they're just playing keyboard ammo.
Nobody to be bottomed.
Well, if they find the Ursa...
Oh, wow. I really thought they were going to go for a fat step on Slape there.
All right. Well, Ursa does get gone, huh?
Not for all of this time, sir.
Yeah.
That kill looks to be the sacrifice again.
Okay.
But that's the bigger kill.
Yeah, so that's the bigger kill.
And that's the looting too.
So, in the end,
they'll probably get the better trade.
Even though Doom is worth more right now,
just,
we've talked about how Ursa just sucks ass at coming back into a game.
There are definitely times in the game where trading one support and one carry for the opposing carry is a good trade
because some heroes just inherently are way more dependent on pacing.
I'm not saying Doom is their carry, it obviously is just too...
That's for the sake of the argument.
I kind of feel like with Ursa it can oftentimes be that way, that slowing that hero down just makes it feel miserable.
I also don't think Ursa's matchups in this game are that good.
Um...
Yeah, I was gonna ask about the monkey king.
Slark is a tricky matchup, because if you don't burst him, he can kind of kite you, defuse all you, burn your mana.
Monkey King is a mix, so...
This is a nice move, they're gonna be spotted though.
First, it gets hit by the arrow.
It's gonna slow down Rosh even more.
High as Jokah.
Okay, they're gonna get the cross off, but Jokah still burns.
Saber like to see the other side with the dragon tail.
They kill off the doom, and now the Monkey King comes into the fray with the Wukong's command.
turns into a soldier, he's gonna focus on Moby.
Another arrow hits as Aame is gonna be able
to clean this one up, and now the jump in onto Jackie,
dead again, and save her life.
Well, he'll get out, but this is now a free Roche for Extreme.
I mean, I like that attempt, honestly.
It felt like this game was slipping away.
This makes it worse, of course.
I don't think that's the way to do it,
but I do like that they wanted to try to get Roche
at this point in time, but they have to get a kill first.
I don't think that was the way.
like brute forcing that
when you play against some heroes that interact with the pit very well like
doom, marana
even slark can kind of just jump in with dark pecked on and get free
information
it's uh...
another little bleed out here from ginkyu
one silver lining for nemesis is roach was not taken because it turned day
yeah
so maybe i'll maybe get it now i can still get it that's a five head play
You see that? That was even a good curse from Norman. This could have been even worse, but like, they're also not, to be honest, they're not really covering their bases.
I don't think you roche like this. If you're gonna roche, you need people on at least two angles here to break out smokes or scouts.
The fact that Doom just gets to open like this into the fight, not really all that inspiring.
This is the, when fights break out like that, it feels like a team that is like, alright, we have to go roche, and then you're not, it's not like,
It's not deliberated enough how you're planning the play.
The more I think about it, the more I think you're right about the Midas.
Yeah, I think so too. I didn't think about it much more because I knew I was right obviously.
The more I think about it, the more I think I'm right too.
It would be really funny if I'm wrong.
I hope so.
that you come around to it and then we're both wrong I have occasionally bought
minus and I don't remember using it twice right away as the thing I don't
think it's ever worked like that but I could be wrong
you I would guess in the history of this game you might have bought minus more
times than I have even though I've played the game because I've played more core
than you of course a lot of the core here is you play don't play minus that's
true Centaur rarely buys minus I have never been that big of an enjoyer of
this item and in the current I decided it's been through a lot of iterations in
the history of 302 I think the current version is one of the worst it's ever
been I think the 3xxp please the stats kind of support it too I think that
item just has a negative win rate on almost all heroes and a lot of this
game states that is being bought in and pro it feels like an active
desperation rather than a you know a primary choice not this game no I mean
Actually, in this game, it wasn't active destruction.
Kind of. It works. It's like I got screwed so hard in lane, I'm gonna buy Midas and it didn't work this time.
That's what it's for. It did work this time. That's how it should be, though.
Save or lie, ooh. No vision for the cancellation. Wouldn't have been that big of a kill anyway.
You can hope that the teams come around to picking Ogre or Arc Warden, and you'll see some more Midas, maybe.
Arc Warden is a mess.
In the right hands, I think that hero I like the design around the runes. I thought that was kind of cool
Mm-hmm. I feel like there's more to explore there
Yeah over
Should always be the best of buying might as why not sure I don't mind it. I do I do think I
Do we think our coordinates playable here?
I mean we does anymore. You need you need it's probably a hero
We need a specialist to need someone who's actually motivated to play it
So real sick though
There's not very many players that I would associate with a hero. That's the thing though like who comes to mind Topson
I feel like if you can play tanker
It feels in the same vein as an arc warden
It's like a softening or Mipo
Hybrid is our quarter
Yeah, I can see what I see what you mean. Oh, this is bad. Maybe save her light
It's gonna get slowed by the enchant accent with the power to pop the DKB and TP
That's probably the least bad thing that could have happened, Joakim will be bleeding out here at one kill.
That's an arrow.
It's just time to arrow by Shinkyu, of course, learning the hero here.
They should start banning Murana.
He misses the arrow immediately.
Classic.
So far, I mean, extreme.
I was skeptical, Syndran.
Nemesis has looked a bit shaky, but when they've looked good, they look quite good.
stream, maybe it's because of TI, maybe it's because of just China Dota not being particularly
great the last year or two. I thought this was an anomaly. My 3-0 group stage, but they
actually look quite good.
They're backing it up in the series for sure. I appreciate that they're willing to pick
different things as well, because I feel like that's been kind of their Achilles heel in
in the past maybe, being very predictable, both picks and play style.
It's true, it's cool to see the Slark Monkey in here that does inspire some confidence in a potential good finish here in the whole tournament.
I also just think Ami just looks better with XM, I have to say.
It's just, there's something about their duo that just makes things work better.
and out of the pool in China, the offlaners that you can take, I still personally find XXS to be
the absolute best, but I believe he might be taking a break, but if you're looking for other
options, Zeal is a pretty good fit, because he can play Sacrificial and doesn't have to take a lot of
space. Nice find here on takes. Alright, excuse me. It's like, it's a little bit reminiscent of
Game 1, right? Like Nemesis, yeah, you find these picks here and there, but you never get the big
ones like it's not you're not changing the trajectory of the game at any point really
their biggest win was the first two minutes where the slark was being crushed by viper but
all the good things since then have been overall extreme favorite this one has been would get
Stunlock with the help of the Bushwack, Ame staying alive to get the Wukong's command off of the DKB.
Jingu stacks as well, Saber-Lite, okay, turns into a soldier.
Any reinforcements come and gets broken, and finally the bear shows up to finish the job.
And Jackie also roached.
Yes he did, has the Aegis.
That's really good.
Zeal has Doom, they still want to fight apparently, looking for Saber-Lite.
They get the Doom off, and nice purse to slow them down.
That's nobody taking the brunt of the damage with this impetus and it goes Jackie boy to kill off XM
Our carry is dead and they have Roche let's 4v5
Yeah, we've seen this a couple of I just had to say something nice about extreme guess so I thought honestly that was just kind of
be
you know
For that I saw both actually
should learn my lesson that was very unnecessary and
Good piece of news finally for the side of Nemesis who haven't really had anything to write home about that's the first
That's what I was looking for an actual game-changing move
I have a lot me and they get rose simultaneously and then they get gifted two more kills
I mean that feels great three so I know that roche was like half HP and it moved to the north
Why would you not just force it just taking it away from Earth is such a big deal?
Because you had time yeah, I definitely had time. I think that was definitely an option for extreme
I'm buying a lot of time here. Don't think it jumped to the right soldier though by going up here
I think going to the left might have been actually giving him a chance to get his primal spring off
either way
That this follow-up fight is yeah, why questionable you barely have any information. It's a half HP DK and
This is obviously a great curse which sets things up and a nice follow-up onto the Slark who didn't get anything off
That's the really cool thing about catching Slark in Curse, whether he's the target or
somebody hitting, is that the duration is so long that Dark Pack expires.
And then you can get a guaranteed follow-up.
Tameha?
Force-sat is BKB.
Okay.
Oh, he's Savorite, but well, they see me, too.
Okay.
But while they see me too.
Okay, who comes to man?
It's the Jingu stacks on Norman, who just simply blinks out after the cold embrace,
and now he's stuck in a horrible spot and burst to death.
Gets on the Jingu, though, the last one with a boundless strike, turns into a soldier,
still alive, turns into a tree, and bare man takes him out.
So another death for Ame, and all of a sudden extreme,
Okay. Making extremely bad choices. That's why they're called extreme gaming. Extreme, uh...
A moment of polarization. Oh, look at this. There has to be a tourmaster nearby, so you might as well kill it.
Alright. Now you're just pre-dumerating.
That's 7,000 gold in two minutes for Nemesis, and they still have the Aegis. This game's not over yet.
It was 80-20.
Yeah, sure was.
Oh, it was 90-10, but it was also 80-20.
Yeah, thank you.
It's still 74 though.
I don't know if I...
I...
This is like 55-45 to me now.
Maybe 60-40.
Obviously the thing you can't account for is
like the team's read on the situation.
You can look at what is the...
Just the numbers breakdown.
But how do they perceive the game state?
They obviously don't have access to this. They don't know everything that we do here.
And I'm gonna die twice back to back.
Thanks for the question, like how's he going to adapt? Is he going to keep looking for fights?
Is he just going to default to farming in his next item now?
Is he changing his build because he died twice? Like now he's still going to defuse Lensha Disperser,
but maybe, you know, things were going well. He would have another item by now.
Yeah. Has been overtaken by the DK Saber on his top net worth again.
Look how much Gold he got in the last 5 minutes. 4.3k. Same for the Ursa.
Radiance.
We've seen this before. The evasion is insanely good this game. Slark and Monkey King feels very nice on the DK. I love this choice.
Very, very good. And he goes Shiva's next. Nice.
Offline DK has some interesting options, of course.
The Bastard's there for Jaxi Boy as well.
Just needs to get that abyssal blade to try to blow up Aume or XM for that matter.
Pretty hard to avoid.
Aegis expires in 15 seconds, let's see if the fight is going to break out.
Grieves completed now for Jinkyu on the Murana.
And yeah, they will indeed be looking for a fight, but Slark is showing.
I don't know if he gets the Viper Strike successfully, but see the Shadow Dance keeping
XM relatively healthy and I tried to get the blink orchid surprise XM was very quick though
Saberlight with the shield rune very tanky
leading the charge
We'll find the bokeh try to go for Zeali make him use his BKB
They break them so not too difficult to kill
Looks like I may want to fight those armors again gonna get the cold embrace such an annoying thing for money
he need to get through. Finally he'll do so.
On the saver line as well.
Okay, he's trying to stay alive. He gets bashed up by Jackie.
Climbed into a soldier at the last moment.
Finds his way to the other side, but he still goes down to the fury
so I have Jack going now on the run.
I can continue to chase, gets cursed, but it's a solo.
Well, that's too long. Two for three at the moment.
Two for four.
I'm about back for that, too.
That's a pretty good result for the side of XQM,
especially considering how Ami got caught up in a Harry situation.
situation but yeah as you see big damage on his way to the grave and XM will reap
the reward of a Lincoln sphere into blink almost getting both items here.
Lewis Curry must have died with the Lincoln's on it or it's just going on a
long trek to get to him whatever it is that item will be arriving and that will
make his life a lot easier against something like Viper who wants to blink
Orchid him, now he has to use Viper Strike first, and then while if you get Orchid, he can't even kill you because he didn't ult you against the Dragon Tail.
This is an exceptionally good Lincoln's game. Curse is also super nice to block.
The only real low-quality spell, if you will, that they have to get rid of it is Acorn Shot or Splinter Blast.
And both of those are on supports that really want to backline and be patient, so...
It's a nice pick up.
Go back up to a 7k lead for extreme.
Yeah.
But, see Savori still leading the way in CS, or for net worth rather.
About to finish that Sheevis.
There is the Lincoln's.
Do you like the blink on Slark here?
The blink on Slark?
Yeah, he's buying blink over Silver Edge.
When we were talking about how good Silver is, I'm not convinced that Swiftblink is a better choice.
Per se?
It gives him some more options, obviously.
With Swiftblink, he can blink to initiate and shadow play.
I would think he'd go axe before some of these, though.
Yeah.
Just gotta sell that Midas, you know.
and
maybe that makes his item below the weird that you have this might as sticking up a slot
, get your money's worth of the
dispercer
the choice instead
It's off the enrage. Arrow's coming.
Oh, Narvao is close.
Sairly gets out. Pushback right now onto the Marana.
There's the Wukong Slamad. A beautiful battle of strike onto two.
Junkham maybe gets saved temporarily by the Wukong Slamad.
Or by the curse, rather, from Narman, but he's going to die shortly after.
Again, Narman just forced to cold embrace himself, getting some SS shift stacks for XN.
And this is a disastrous fight for Nemesis.
They're going to lose Saberlight. And now Jackie Boy, the last one up,
As Ami will continue to chase but can't get any more slows so they will back away and be happy with a 0 for 4.
It feels like Extreme decided to lock in a bit after some throw-ish inanigans there in the mid game and now things are looking quite stable again.
That was really clean engagement.
You can tell something about Nemesis's line-up, we haven't talked about this all that much.
It gets really awkward for them if they get jumped on actually in these fights.
Because their lineup has very high formation requirements.
Just starting the fight casually out like this.
Running in with the Slark, splitting the heroes up, just makes this fight play itself.
It's so easy. As soon as this Doom comes out and the Monkey King ring is used, the fight's already lost.
And this is what a Slark can do when he has net worth.
He can give a lot of information, cause a lot of chaos.
And the dialing I'm kind of pointing at. When things start splitting up, Salarck is going to run down your supports, somebody's going to get doomed.
And also, a little bit of an X factor in these fights, but Boca is actually dealing a lot of damage on the Ench.
Yeah, thanks to the free head.
Yeah, thanks to the free head.
Really tanky cores, but then you got pure damage from Ench.
Yeah.
Just ripping through them.
It's got drums and pike, and he's just auto-attacking in these fights most of the time.
The MKB is complete, just needs his courier to send it out.
And now, this will be the Silverage for XM.
Oh, Conjure's Catalyst with Timeless, that's great.
From Marana.
Moe B.
Okay, well, that's, Norman is not going to live, but at least they get out their Viper.
Don't cold embrace yourself, don't give a stack.
He will do that, but it gets a little bit of time for Saberlight to join the party.
He will kill off Garmin regardless.
This already looks pretty bad. You need to get back to base immediately.
Oh, Arrow.
That was actually pretty close. I think someone's thinking about it, but...
I mean, now packing quite the punch is Saber-life, gonna get caught up by XM, drained of all
his mana.
He can't use his BKB.
He cannot.
And he's just taking all this impetus damage, turns into the human that he is, will actually
run away.
Zeal just a little bit too late with the Sheevas, but extreme not in any huge hurry, they're still Roche, which they will go for now.
Should be uncontested as well.
I expect Ame to take this, and I think both of them are good candidates.
I wouldn't mind seeing it on smart either, considering how they're playing the fights. XM is very much just getting in the fray, but the upside to putting in a monkey king is he's likely going to be sieging with his eggs, so...
It's on me. He's taking the ages.
Well, he's had a couple of attempts and hasn't managed to quite yet.
He did it correctly this time.
Well...
Alright, that went right over your head. It's all good though.
No, he'll figure it out.
I mean, I already did.
Oh, you just didn't want to say anything.
No, I don't care.
That's fair. Who cares about TI?
Yeah.
Zeal, half HP already.
He's gonna get away though.
Save or light, gonna get back.
There we go.
Get up, maybe in time and Narvan's just gonna die on the outskirts along with the squirrel.
DK, next, three dead for Nemesis.
This is the beginning of the end, I do believe, of this series.
Pretty much so.
You're gonna have to buy back here if you don't want to lose at least a lane.
Yep, that's Moran all right.
Good damage. 15 under damage from two spells onto the live run.
And we're piling on the soldiers. Look at all these beautiful golden monkeys.
Okay, trying to mount the defense doesn't really have much in the way of backup. It's just Jackie Boy.
I need the supports here for sure.
Mortification's gonna delay.
Um, and the Duocon is commandable by enough time to at least get the powers.
Oh yeah.
Because there was backfill protection.
And the glue.
They're not gonna finish the job.
Wow, they didn't even get the lame yet. That's surprising.
I think it really safe it seems.
Did they use the Roche banner already?
Yeah, put it on.
Thanks for hunting.
Man, we just need a supporter too, then they can just go again.
And they'll get the support there.
Guys, Jackie boys providing some nice stacks on that.
S and Schipzer XM, first comes out, only under the solo target again as Mobe.
Sucking a horrible spot.
Right as he gets aggressive, he just gets bursted down though.
Double kill for XM as Jackie.
Not gonna be able to pursue the Slark any further.
Zeal.
He's not having Doom for 20 seconds.
Taking a lot of right-click damage from those fury swipes and here comes Amé.
Joining the party, gets off the balance strike.
There's Narvan trying to get his way back to base as he gets off the cold embrace at this time on to Jackie.
And actually I'm going to get a lot of S'shift stacked there as the Murano arrow coming out
and the AOE Doom to likely end this game.
As they're going to bring Savileight down in the fountain, can they get the full team wipe? Yes.
And with that extreme, we'll take this series 2-0 and it was not that close.
No. It looked promising for a little bit in this game for the side of Nemesis, but ultimately, just outclassed, I think, fair to say.
Some interesting pivots in the draft this time around though, but extreme just better today.
That's right, Richard.
Yeah, I love how those two are completely oblivious to what they did.
You nearly cast a curse at that game.
You literally said,
Extreme are just better.
And then Nemesis started coming back into the game.
Like, we all saw it. We all saw what you did.
But in the end, Extreme were better.
They were right.
And couldn't even cast a curse to the game.
Yeah, very weird draft coming out from them.
A lot of these shenanigans happening.
Who's gonna go where?
XM playing Midslark against Viper.
He knows ins and outs like he also knows what to buy what the build he picks up boots of speed early on
Drags the creep wave buys a healing cell because you know how much harass he's gonna be getting from that Viper walk
He's trying to do so drags the creep wave under the tower and that after that
He feels more than fine and also Viper
He doesn't have a lane to go to because he's not pretty much laning against anyone
So he feels the need to do something so he goes to the side lane and then Slark just say you know what I'll grab some creeps
I'll buy hand of Midas and I'll be good to go did he did such a good job at when Moe they went to a side lane
he
was he took the opportunity to
tank the tower for the catapult and
Bro your slark right this hero gets like a hundred regen if you step into fog
So he just kept hanging the tower running in a fog taking the tower running into fog use the catapult got the tower like 20%
If you're a Slark versus Viper mid and you can get the tower to 20% HP because Viper has to go help a side lane
You you are counting your blessings brother like you are phrasing Gaben for that opportunity
Where you have a Midas and you can still have that impact he played really well on us. I was really impressed with XM this game
I may try to make however the game more interesting did some moves the classic on it
when he feels that, all right, we have, because a lot of times this team historically is not in the
driving seat 15 minutes into the game. A lot of times they're always playing from behind.
I think that's one of the reasons why a lot of the times they throw the lead that they have,
but the lead was way too significant. And also JinQ, like he was all over the place,
him and Bobokka. Bobokka playing his enchantress slash position four back in the days and he was
playing it now just playing the same hero from a five position and I love the support duo. I think
this is a bit of a wonky draft. I don't think many players and many teams would be able to pull off
this kind of a stuff. Yeah. I mean you can see on the screen we're giving the text mainly because
of how he managed to come through what should have been a losing lane not only unscathed but
but somehow kind of ahead.
I mean, it was like really masterful play by him.
But I definitely want to talk about the Moronner a little bit.
I think we're kind of getting to that stage now
where it's like, do you even want to let that through anymore?
I don't think so, because he was doing so much.
And he seems to be finding the newer build,
like newer build where he picks up Erne,
but he also goes for this time around triple Sage Mask pretty
much one goes into Erne.
And then he had two other ones.
And if we look at the comparison between what
Chokam and Genki were able to do in this like first 10 minutes. If you look at the items
He has absolutely nothing. He's very low level at the time. He's like level four Marana is level seven and
Like yes
It's like all right
We got a feeling in there to look good the hero damage more than double and then fast forward to 25 minutes
Like you can even feel more difference because there's like one item on hoodwink
and there's the full Yule Scepter on Marana, great against Ursa, great set up the arrow,
and the hero damage as well is insane, and the hero levels pretty much he was keeping up with
some of the levels with the cores inside of him.
And the Syrin Sigmit neutral just to pump it off.
Yeah, just a casual.
Yeah, why not?
Everything's going perfect for them, so yeah, I mean very impressed with it 300.
I was, I'm not gonna lie, I was a little disappointed with Yokem's performance in these games.
I'm just going to be completely frank. He had the consecrated wraps game one. That was a pretty big grief. Some of his deaths in this game were
Uncharacteristic like very unusual and to compare on the other side you have Jin Q
Possibly the best four position right now. That is a sub diff
Yeah, absolutely and we might get to him more about that because we can go over to nomad now for the winners interview
Thank you, Richard. Yes, I'm here with mr. Zeal from extreme
So firstly a fun series very convincing from you guys. What do you think the deciding factor was in this series for you?
For the forest is just like we have a very good preparation against them
We did like some mock graph and we felt like most of the time we came out ahead if things go to plan and
Things actually went to plan so yeah
Always good when that happens. You had three heroes which you carried across both games, the Doom, the Marana and the Enchantress, so which of those do you think was the most impactful in the series?
Definitely, Ench was kind of useful and I was just like getting carried in the game one, he was just owning the lane, you know, yeah.
Well, I don't know if you're getting carried dude, you were doing all sorts on this Doom, you made this Doom hero look amazing, and what was the secret to it, to a good Doom performance?
Actually it's just like I think just far more and eventually get get your items and get the perfect jumps
Then you do well
Just get the perfect jumps. All right, excellent. That's very easy to pull off there
Well, there was also that interesting mid lane matchup as well in the second game
Were there any concerns about the Viper versus Slark?
For us, it was definitely in conversation. The DK, we knew Saber could have played on
Postery and we were thinking about them picking Viper or OD, but XM didn't really care, so we
just played through and he just farms. He just let all Bill Midas and kill Wards.
Get by Midas, kill Wards and that's it. All right, well, congratulations. Good luck going
forwards and yeah that's a look at the rest of all of you great handshake love
that right CDs woman even needs to get out of here that's not true this is life
to knock this down if they saved the entire segment now zeal what a what a
cool cat man loving what he's been doing in this team and very humble you heard
him and I'm getting carried brother let me tell you that's not true we hear that
more and more. Saberlight did say the same thing yesterday on panelers like yep I didn't do much,
I got carried away by Jackie, carried by Jackie, carried by supports as well. Zeal,
very like I think he has improved so much and also one thing he said in an interview is XM,
they were talking about OD, they were talking about Flipper and XM said I don't care. So like this
is the mentality, he's going to be doing his own thing, he's going to be able to get out of these
tricky matchups because he knows these matchups. Usually he is the one who's
putting the pressure on others with these type of picks so good to have him
back on the squad. Final call from you before break. Anything upstairs?
I agree with him. Love having Axe. I'm back. He's probably my favorite midlaner to watch
currently so it's great to have him back and I like seeing him on the other side
of this situation as well because now we know he can do it. He certainly can and
know that we'll be doing it a little bit later on in the tournament. We're gonna
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So promise is kept it's LGD versus navi. Let's start by talking about this new look LGD and
What we've made of them. They've had highs and lows guys. They've had ups and downs
Chills spills. They did thrills. Yeah, this is a theme that like apart from the first series that they played at Valakia
Which was to one every other series has been either to oh or oh and two so seems like once they
They crumble easily, I would say, in some of these situations, maybe they need a little bit of extra time when it comes down to losing.
We had an interview with Snake yesterday, he was talking about him being the guy that is having to have all these talks, him, Bulba,
and of course, Smale being the more experienced players on the team, who, you know, it's not easy to lose.
that's one of the most difficult things in Dota,
especially if you like keep losing,
how to find something because,
let's say you have an ideas coming into the tournament
where your ideas are working,
you come to the tournament,
suddenly your ideas are kind of shitty.
It's like not working,
so you need to fix something in the spot.
And they had some like very good performances.
I think it's a male yesterday
when he was playing that voice bridge,
pretty much single handedly winning the game as well,
playing the Earth Spirit in that game number one as well,
just making sure that he's all over the place,
very active as a player as well.
And I want to see if he can replicate that today.
Andrew, I've got to say, I could be wrong.
You're the expert.
For me, it's sort of felt like Sumail has been,
I don't know, like these are some of his signatures,
but they're not necessarily all of his signatures.
Who's that devil on his shoulder?
Oh, that's actually, that's Bulba.
And he's upset.
What is he saying?
He, for some reason, there's no Storm Spirit.
That's all ball but keeps getting banned.
You know, I didn't see in the ban list, but in reality,
whenever this team has Sumail and he's on a spirit hero,
I would actually expect him to be playing Storm Spirit
at some point, it's gonna come out.
I mean, they do much better.
Right at the moment.
Sure, you, but it's Sumail, come on.
It's Sumail, it's different.
And there's going to be situations where it's good.
It doesn't have to be an actual spirit.
I just wanted to highlight those
because there are other heroes that kind of play
like the spirit heroes, you know, Queen of Pain,
not really hero right now, Puck.
That's another one of these heroes.
And it seems to me like whenever this team has Sumail
on an active middle laner,
and they have the supports on damage dealing,
long-ranged kind of poke caster heroes,
they do a lot better.
When you look at the undying's
and the bounty hunter games that happened,
that. It wasn't great. And it
just seems to be like this is
the style that fits them. I
think there's enough middle
laners that exist that are in
this archetype and enough
supports that are in this
archetype that they genuinely
could shoehorn it in every
single game. It's just that
some drafts call for. Okay,
this is a perfect O. D. Pick
Yeah, maybe it is, but then
you're missing that archetype
the last couple of years.
And, uh, I mean, I think
I mean, I think if they
play today, eventually as a
team, if they stick together,
which I imagine they probably
will, I think they should
develop other. Yeah, it's not
that one. Well, I just told
that one. Perfect. It's divine.
You this guy could last one
season. He could last like
the entire year. You never
know. Um But yeah, I mean, I
would I would like to see them
like develop more play styles
and be able to play the
I think you can just do the rest of this tournament with this large pool of heroes that fits that archetype, because there's a lot out there.
So there are opponents on RV, a young, talented team. We've talked a lot about all of the things we like, and by the way, this is like they're something like 8th Valahia, but only their second time in the playoffs.
It's not usual territory for them. So we're expecting big things from certain players, and Got the Juice is one of them.
Yeah, he's got that sauce.
Always was a big fan of Got the Juice when he came into the scene.
This guy has looked very, very stable.
And he has been breaking some records so far at Valakia.
Like you can see the Lee Stets, which is always one of the big factors,
second on that leaderboard.
And also last hits per minute, so he does farm quite heavily.
Playing a hero is a deal, quite a lot of tower damage as well.
And if you look at the heroes that he has been playing so far at Valakia,
He's playing a bit more traditional carries rather than meta carries.
He is playing his lone druid, the terror blade, even banged out one faceless void, the nature's profit.
These are the like traditional old school CIS type of carries that they like to run.
Maybe Phantom Lancer is missing from the list, but everything else does fit in.
His team really talks him up too.
But when we asked Niku, who on his team, if they're free farming, is going to carry them,
He said if my got the juice is free farming
We got this like it game is in the bag that this guy's gonna this guy's gonna one be five
I was just told these free farming headsets at the moment
You just missed it off camera, but they had to replace it
I think he just was big manly arms just broke smashed the headset
They just smashed the headsets pieces, but we're we're fixed that these getting his coffee in
Certainly gonna need it today. Is it okay?
Just briefly before we get into the graph to talk about the carry the carry matchup
What's up with me?
One of the bottlenecks in LGD is the form of wits.
We talked him up massively on day one
as a player to watch.
By the way, that's still true, guys.
It's not that you become bad overnight.
But I do have to say,
he's had some very dubious series here,
some very dubious performances.
His cares comes to mind,
where he got absolutely annihilated.
It was very, very bad.
He's had a nix, sat on top of him the entire game,
couldn't get into it.
in two of those games actually.
And it does feel like he has pretty high win rate
on this hero in general, but so far at Volakia
didn't manage to get a single dub on the hero.
Plays the different heroes in general
compared to what Got The Juice is playing.
There is like Windranger, there is Clinkz, there is Tiny.
I'm a little surprised that Got The Juice
hasn't played Tiny so far considering that we are in meta
or you are countering this Darkseer in the lane
So you don't get to be in the seat of Sarah ever again.
People have won.
No, it's coming back.
There's going to be some themes that are going to be like, you know what?
It's the best hero without him just gone.
Didn't even get banned.
It's the best hero in the game.
Grow up.
Yeah, Ken has been an increasingly hard hero to play.
It seems throughout the patches.
There were a couple of patches where honestly, it was just not okay.
And it gets banned.
I mean, that's the Niku respect. Yeah, it makes sense in this
Matchup of these two teams because Niku will play it got the juice will play and wits will play it and dude
I could even see Sumail banging out a case if he absolutely had to definitely his kind of hero that seems like his kind of hero
And sent our respect damn dude, I mean PMA is
One of the best and also for Navi
when they look bad they look so shit like they don't belong here and when they
look good it's like all five players are like boosting five accounts in
party queue you know it's it's really really crazy how polarizing their games
are they had like that 18 minute game with undying mid yeah and then they just
stomped one win in the last two games yesterday despite getting stomped game
one yeah PMA has been very stable I was looking at some of the averages at ten
minutes how much farm the offlaners are getting slightly offline bias here because I do love my
offlane and the average yesterday I believe has been 3.7k at 10 minutes and then the vibe you would
expect him to have slightly less compared to others he was sitting at 3.7k and the PMA he was
almost at 4k so relatively big difference in terms of like delaying what they're able to do how much
they're getting out of the lane, but it also does depend on the priority that they are getting,
because I do feel that PMA, a lot of the times they will pick his hero slightly later in the draft.
A lot of the times you'll see this Centaur picked up on 18. He has also been very successful with
the Darkseer early on, and it also depends which team they have played against, because maybe Hukori
might not be the best example. You could have picked anything against them. It seems like it
It could work because they have been on a bit of a different level
Yeah, I agree the the type of heroes the PMA likes to play too if you're picked them later in the draft like something like a centaur
You just drag creep waves and get
Insanely gigafat right so it does it doesn't make sense LGD goes for the laundry, which is the most picked carry for
both teams so it makes sense to snag this one and it seems like the hero is
the same as it was in the last patch maybe a little bit less devastating in
the laning phase but this bear that's running around the map hunting supports
especially a squishy support like hoodwing it is such a menace it is so
hard to deal with even killing the hero doesn't seem to have that much of an
impact the successful strategies we've seen against other ones to kill the
bear. Viper, Slardar, things like that are good. The Enigma actually looked quite good
the other day.
You need to find a way how to lane against this hero. Enigma being one of the best, if
not the best laner in terms of what he's going to be able to get out of the lane because
not many heroes can square up against that lane and go toe-to-toe. Throw in any kind
of generic position five in the mix with this Laundroid. You're not going to have a good
time. Especially if it's an ogre. Oh yeah. A lot less the bear. Maybe this is the stratus is it?
This is it. We're gonna get my ogre game finally. I have to say the lich picks have all been
diabolically poor so I'm a little bit disappointed. My hero puddle of two not being wrapped.
Yeah it's too bad. Well it's not really. As an off-lane player. It's good. We like this when
the lich players are upset. I mean the support hero pool is just, oh they're gonna go ember.
Yeah. Yeah. And I was hoping for this because I mean like we again we we haven't really talked
about it but what an insane skill mid matchup here you've got the student versus the master
it's like so cool. It's LGD has something right you don't ban uh under oh no under lord like who
who gives a shit, right? I get it's good against Lone Drift, but not that much.
You don't leave Ember in. Every draft that I looked at,
Navi Banslark, into pick Ember, every draft in this tournament,
LGD is not stupid. They can look at Dota Buff and see the exact same thing that I did.
It's very simple. The question is, what do they have against this Ember?
Because in theory, Ember should be losing quite a lot of these lanes,
considering that he is picked relatively early on in the draft.
I like this a lot. This is the hero that we did talk about earlier in the previous series because
What the hero can do? It's very good against creep skipping and it's very very good against
All these spirits coming out from the mid lane
So this is gonna be the combination between two of them
We've seen yesterday what you can do with the void spirit not the most popular spirit out there
But does get the job done and if you're if he's off to a good start he also builds into spirit vessel
So a lot of these thank y'all flanners are not gonna be feeling as thank you
I'm I'm I'm really
I'm really curious about this to leave in the Niku Ember
Let them do the sark band into Ember pick and then you just go with the void spirit
It's just pure confidence. It is it is really confident
Yeah, and it's saying to me that they think we'll just get a normal mid laner that honestly
Loses lane to Ember not by a huge amount
It's like 55-45 or something like that.
But still, Ember does very well in this matchup.
You can't take off the Flameguard, it's impossible.
And they say, okay, well, CM is enough.
The CM root against Ember, really, really good.
Maybe they just deal with it in the game
and they like having these heroes.
I mean, I did say it myself, right?
This is the research that I did for LGD.
Whenever they have a Spirit mid,
you know, a hero that can just go in and set things up
and they have two caster supports, they do really good.
I would expect, let's see,
What are the other casters that are still in the pool? The willows out
Sunson Marana's out Sunson Cinder and yes, of course
What else is there?
Bane would have been a pretty good one
Yeah
Like rubik against Bane timber that seems pretty good to me
I don't know if I believe in that hero
It could be okay
Just for this game because you have lifts you have like spells that you can steal from timber
But I don't think they're gonna be having timbersaw issues especially in the lane like you're playing against the double
Triple root from crystal maiden and the bear
It's insane amount of damage coming out. Your support is gonna be hoodwink, but
Techies is still in the pool as well that that's pretty and you can see how much of a man is this Timbersaw has become
It could be like dark willow as well if they want to not expand never mind in the band
Yeah, I'm just checking if your guys are paying. Yeah
Good job
Keep it up. Yeah, this is another counter to doom and another counter to spirits
I like what LGD is doing here quite a lot of ways, but they have
Very tanky heroes heroes that are relatively difficult to kill and also caught a lot of counters
This is Navi like you have
Timberspanner on your team who that's his favorite hero we're talking about DeVy
and then there is Timber on the other side so you know how to counter it do
win rate keeps going up that's a it's a very good hero and it means that LGD
also sees like a lot of potential good picks for the four position and we were
able to mention a few of them wind actually would have been very decent so
So I like that ban, it doesn't mean they can't get it themselves, because the Eulichor has
played that as a four position.
I'd be okay with some casual lifestealer for Navi maybe, Sven would be again my priority.
I love Sven as a response to Doom, because you are a BKB buyer, you're the one who is
jumping in first, so you don't care if you get Doom, the damage you're still going to
go through, so you can still kill a hero and then disengage, and there's the stackies that
you talked about. There's still like some stronger 4 slash 5 left in the pool. Wyvern
being one of them, but it doesn't seem to be that good of a game potentially for it.
So yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't Wyvern into like Timber loves if somebody's just standing
still in a cold embrace. You get all of your damn all of your pure damage goes entirely
through it, but it is a good hero.
I
What all right listen, you know, it's a hard hero wasn't picked much but ring master
If like this hero very good against timber saw great save against Bane
Would you say it's good against timber because timber has all like ground targeted
Pure stuff. It's like percentage base damage. That's what I'm thinking about
Interrupting his stuff when he tries to you then tries to use sure and really good against Bane as well. Yeah
That rubic would have if they're baiting a rubic pick with the bang timber picks
So now there's not much left
For the ranged heroes the techies rubic were literally the ones that I was thinking about I mean
Ringmaster and SD come to mind. Yeah, I mean both have not seen huge success
In this tournament
It could be a lion. I think I'd be okay if you just well that's like that's a lion
Cockle would definitely pick it probably first pick it's right away. It's that good. I
Like that idea a lot better than the
Save heroes just because I feel like it's more aggressive
I would bring masters a nice middle ground between like aggression and then you also have to save
SD is it's too defensive
with these heroes, it feels like you need a little bit more kill threat at that 10 minute mark to run around with the Void Spirit and go for kills, and Lion is honestly perfect for that.
Or Shadow Shaman, if it wasn't, you know, dog shit.
I was thinking if, like you mentioned Shadow Demon, if they want to have another way of
dealing with God the Juice, because we saw like the priority that he gets when it comes
down to farm, he can take over the game.
So having another anti-carry ability on top of Doom could be pretty big.
Okay, Grimstroke.
Grimstroke.
Okay, leash mechanic against another spirit.
I don't think I've seen a single Grimstroke so far in the tournament.
And it offers what you were saying with the SD.
It's an anti-carry, right?
You can, if they go for, bro, even a PL, which by the way, I'm very excited to see.
This is cool.
Even a PL, if you can get an illusion of him with the Grimstroke eggs, eventually it's
very strong.
And I also like that Navi still, despite the really good drafting coming out from my boy
Bulba, they still say, okay, well, you know, PL early will be fine against Grim, and then
later on, we're just gonna be, like, we can deal with it, you know?
When we were talking about Gattidjus's hero pool, I say PLK.
That's the one that was missing, and it does seem like it's a very good game for it.
They don't have many ways of dealing with it.
Well, I was gonna say, I'm surprised we haven't seen more of it, actually.
Yeah, not much has changed about the hero, so it should still be very, very pickable.
And looking at the Grimstroke in this one, I would love to see a bit of a different item build,
because he is playing position 4 with a little more priority to put in his Q with the stroke
just to have that extra bit of damage against the PL and the illusions, it can be very, very annoying for PL.
At least early on until he gets tanky.
Yeah, I think he should definitely prioritize the stroke in this game.
We have a similar draft to, I believe, game 1 of the last series where I look at Na'Vi and I see
There's a lot of S tier heroes here, you know, Timber, Ember Spirit, even the supports are really good.
They have pretty free games on these heroes other than the Doom, and it's a really good PL game.
So I just think like if LGD wins this, then they've solidified that they are very good at this particular type of strategy
because this looks like the rest of their drafts, right? So I'm just excited to see how this plays out for them.
Because it could mean a lot for the team going forward.
going forward. Yeah, for sure. One thing that they don't have on Na'Vi is ways of hunting
down the bear and killing it. You have Ember Spirit, maybe Hoodwing, but Timbersaw and Phantom
Lancer not particularly good at doing so. So I want to see how many times they're going
to be able to kill the bear, especially post-Aganum Scepter when he picks it up.
Yeah, I mean, what happens in a late game scenario? Who's better? The PL or the lone
druid?
It could be like the scenario where Longerwood just goes and like goes for a different type
of a play.
He goes for a little bit of rat action, but I do like PL in this matchup.
If they're just fighting, PL for sure.
But Longerwood will kill supports.
He will not put the Baron fights and he will push towers.
It's a different play style.
Right.
Well, we've talked about the draft.
We've got one of the master drafters with Nomad.
Now it is the mighty Bulba.
That's right.
I'm here with BulbaNator and we're going to talk about this draft.
I mean, last pick Phantom Lancer.
Do you guys have the tools to do with it, do you reckon?
It depends on how the lanes go.
I think we do.
There's some interaction with the Grim and the Peel
or something like that.
But yeah, it's usually Navi.
He hasn't played Peel in a while.
So I like looking at his pages.
So I'm not sure.
I think if he gets too farmed, probably not.
But I think it depends on how the early mid-game goes.
All right, and also the first Grimstrike pick
the tournament coming out from you guys what makes it good here uh the most of the fours were banned
and it was just about like Theo finding one of his uh like good heroes that was good in the game
i think it's a decent grim stroke uh game but again it's gonna be like anything can happen
based on the really game so all right so um give me a confidence percentage how how how sure are
you in this one?
Um, let's watch some good Dota.
Like, I don't know, like, I think 60 for us, because Witt's got his lone druid.
It's like, he loves the hero, so I'm feeling good on that.
And some of those white spirit, so yeah.
You going to specialities?
Let's see your guys cook in game number one with Sun's Found in Syndra.
Thank you very much, Bulba.
Very not confident.
I don't know what that was.
My boy, Bulba, LGD, yeah, picking some interesting stuff that Grim's sort of the first that we've seen, on our cast at least.
We get to see Long Druid again, which is a real joy, of course.
But the other side, Navi picked up PL, which I have not cast in a very long time, Cinderella.
I thought it was going to be one of the, not one of the bigger heroes of this tournament,
but I definitely thought we would have seen it more than one singular game at this point.
It seems like a very strong hero in the right hands and in the right type of game, and this is one of them.
I am very confident in Navi's ability to win this game if Gautadjus gets to play the way he wants.
I don't really see a single PL counter in the overall draft.
The panel is talking about maybe you can outplay it with some clever map moves with Lone Druid and trying to rat it out,
but there's like a limit to how long and how well that works,
Especially when one of Navi's heroes is actually one of the best in my eyes against surviving Lone Druid, which is Timbersaw.
Both the lane is playable, and later in the game, we've seen even atrocious starts from someone like 33, dying four times in lane,
who still ended up top of the net worth and being super tanky.
It comes with an asterisk of you could get doomed, but if he gets doomed, there's a lot of other heroes that can step up to the plate in this draft.
So I really like what Navi have got here. I think it's a very stable lineup for the patch.
LGDs I think requires very solid execution to pull this off.
So what percentage would you give?
This bonus at 60-40 their advantage.
Yeah, he believes a lot in Wix's launch route.
I get that.
I totally understand.
He's a strong hero.
He's a strong player.
Based on how I've seen these two teams play
in overall level of execution and how I read the meta,
I would say Navi are at least 60-40 for me in this game.
Maybe like two to one even.
Just, Ember Spirit seems ridiculous in most of our games, it's just the best mid-hero.
It's Niko's best hero at the tournament.
You have one of the strongest off-lane picks in the Timbersaw, and you've got a good peel
game.
It's just a lot of really major upsides for your cores.
You will be on the receiving end here though.
It does get the Timber Chain away.
And again, worth noting, even if he has a tough start, the hero can recover.
When you talk about this Ember Spirit being a menace in this patch, in this tournament,
Void Spirit feels like a mid that you pick when there's nothing else to pick.
Well, Samel's making it work though.
So far, yes.
I do not believe in this hero at all.
And I'm trying to remember, was anything changed in this last patch with him?
I don't think so.
I mean, very few heroes got buffs.
This last patch was almost exclusively nurse, and Void Spirit, one of the heroes that might
have deserved one, a buff that is, but no unchanged letter patch.
See what Simail can do with it.
Bobo was talking about the Grimstroke vs PL matchup, which is a little bit interesting.
Obviously, Stroke of Fate can do a ton of damage if PL has a full army with his agonims.
Need to watch out a little bit for that.
However, Grimstroke's defensive tools against PL leave a lot to be desired.
some supports that have like a mobility spell or some sort of a we stun all you
have is ink swell which peel can counter play anyway with doppelganger and it's
very hard to silence the right one. That is big. Yep. He gets the first blood, sets it up with the
bush whack. Nice detail here, the wave pull, it was a good attempt, didn't quite
fully pull it out but still snaking is going to be taking some experience here.
This means the waves don't get to meet close to the towers or some mail, it's
gonna lose all of that experience when he responds.
Thanks, well, on Divide to try to get out of harm's way.
You know, look, we're getting blocked, though,
by Goth to juice.
Gonna take heavy damage as a result.
Don't wanna go for another spirit lance here.
We'll just go back to farming.
So what's the build on PL these days?
Oh, looks like I could just look at his quick buy.
Most of the time it's Treads, it's Treads, Manta X,
and then you can go different routes.
Sometimes we see Scotty, sometimes we see Bloodthorn, sometimes we even see in a very specific set of games you could see at the EKB.
Well, that's an amulet for us.
That makes well as not going to do too much here.
Also worth noting that Riddies is a big Grimstroke enjoyer himself, so he won't know this matchup in and out.
One of the few players we've seen actually, he might among, I don't know if you would consider Navi a tier one team of last year.
They had good tournaments, they had bad tournaments, but let's say it's tier 1.5, I think that's fair to them.
In that range and above, I think he was probably the player that picked Remsterved the most out of anyone in the last season.
So he should know best.
He should know best indeed.
Is Hoodling not good enough to ban?
It's picked every single game.
Oh, it's got like 50% win rate, so it doesn't...
I personally think the hero is really, really good.
But there's also, you know, you need to choose what is the worst of the worst.
There's a lot of good heroes in Dota right now, and yes, I would agree, Hoodwing is definitely sometimes worth a bam.
But then you're just leaving in some of the other strong burst stuff.
Snake King gonna force out the doppelganger, got the juice.
Nice aggression there.
It's going to be just five Sumail though, you know, one versus three and her spirit pursuing
TP's coming, Sumail's going to burn down, so Snake King late again, but he gets some solo XP again.
You can't leave him out to dry like this. This is not really a winning recipe.
You do a little bit of pressure up top, boxing out the PL, but you lose your mid in the process,
who's already, you talked about Void Spirit, I mean, this is the fruits of their labor,
will be this tower being taken down in six minutes. That's very good, but we got a nightmare set up.
That's four members of Na'Vi divide super dead. So here's the problem. Void Spirit is just worse
than Ember, I think that's fair to say. The lane in essence 1v1 is kind of a draw if both players
play well, but now one of them got a lot of pelvis we're going to see PMA taking down here by the
alone. I would argue Void Spirit is significantly worse when he's losing that
Emperor. That hero is so dependent on hitting specific item timings and
playing at its peak. A lot of the time Ember just offers like good
utility even when you're having a rough game. So now that some mails died twice,
it's a fight over the wizards trying to buy, shows up, trying to force Niku out.
See the TP is coming.
He's just gonna run it out.
TP does get cancelled.
Oh, Sumail!
Oh, Niko was being greeted by Sumail.
He gets the Astral Chef up and he needed that desperately.
Maybe Sumail actually predicted.
He knew where the remnant was and predicted that obviously he was going to lose that wisdom fight.
So while he only has one place to go then.
Like you said, he needed him with open arms.
That is so important for the game.
This actually puts Sumail ahead of Ember, ever so slightly, and brings him back.
He's back! Sumail's back everybody!
The king is back!
Every year it's the same thing.
A little stacking action here from base, going to...
set things up nice and easy here for his Ember.
It's funny how, regardless of meta,
Snake King will still be picking the same couple heroes
every patch.
I haven't seen Chen yet, but Crystal made it.
Nice snack.
Oh yeah, that's the male.
Oh yeah, that is very tasty.
Dave's getting a vision, but it's a little bit too late.
Niku, trying to force them out.
It's silent, stay for a minute to follow.
Riddies joining the party.
Looks like Snake King will be the one to have to die,
Well worth it. Give this kills with PMA. Oh, they both wanted it actually
Tried to last it with side of fist, but PMA says no, it's mine. I
Think putting that kill on timber is probably better to be honest, so
Make sure he gets to recover as well. These will make even more stacks
Make sure these ones don't get stolen though
That's a early game overall from LGD up
1k across
Mainly the cores that are holding that advantage.
He was looking a bit rushed to be a bear.
Of course he may have.
Onto some mail.
With the ink swell, not going to proc because Niku dodges it.
And obviously, Lowndrid will just be free farming, right?
Let's not speak of him.
This is not why Tim Grisso is good against this hero that he beats him in lane, because frankly almost nothing does.
It's more, against loan it's quite valuable to have heroes that can take a beating, to put it simply.
And that can farm jungle because you can't really lane very well, and Timbersaw fits both of those boxes. It's quite nice.
It's funny how this hero has just not gone anywhere in the last six months.
Regardless of Nars on the pack.
I was pretty stacked here. I mean I would argue Lone Druid got nerfed less than a lot of the other carries that were really strong
so it kind of makes sense that he's still sticking around. Based on the games we've seen, one of the most nerfed carries really seems to be Shadowfiend.
It's hit him hard.
So now with the Invis, we'll see where he wants to go with that eventually.
Yeah, also his build, let's have a look.
So going Vessel into Jules, it looks like.
No Shard, Q'd up.
It's surprising, this feels like one of the heroes that just always buys it, but he might
just grab it without putting it in quick buy obviously.
And then the next item seems to be a Yasha.
This is just, some players like to put like five items in their Quickbuy and some put
one.
But we can't really see all these thinking.
Hope you have a nice change to the UI, you know.
Along spectators to see the entire Quickbuy queue.
Yeah, yes, so?
Just clicking the plus button.
And would it be infinite though?
What if you queue everything?
Just to troll the audience?
Just takes up the whole screen?
Yeah.
a UI nightmare. Just pile them on top of each other, that's fine. Days, running into trouble,
easy copes and mail. One of the best inkswell targets in the game for sure. Also has the
bear later if he wants. Can't really steal a soul vine, you can do double doom. Snaking
is kind of close to six. If he gets six they could steal the ancients. One of the unique
things to Crystal Maiden as a support is her ability to actually farm camps, which is unsurprisingly
probably why snaking likes it so much. He loves to farm.
Yeah, we'll just block it for now.
I hit now on the mid tower.
Yeah, Witt's joining, so wants to push this out.
Okay, he's level 6 now, so a sharp shooter at the ready.
We're not going to actually try to truly defend here.
So far I have yet to see PL join anything, which is not a huge surprise.
It looks like the tier one will go their way as Witz gets credit for it.
Luzion run for Miku.
This is a very big stack now being taken by PMA in the meantime as well, but invasion
is on the way.
got most of it taken out. They could steal these last couple and kill him, that's not
bad. Yep, he's very low, thanks to the creeps, actually
rooted him as well, Ashe will step right on top and TMA dead.
Not going to be PMA much longer after that, that was actually pretty unlucky.
That was a nice swift move there, again from Sumail.
I think the Prowler literally got him killed. Yeah, sometimes...
Farv on the Dreamer. Sometimes you're unlucky.
recovery from Sumel. Got killed twice in a late night's speech with Owen. Second in
net worth. This was what we were expecting not to happen when you have
that start on Void Spirit. So a very nice recovery from him and the team doing a
good job combining. He's making Void Spirit look good I have to say. Yep. Big
part of it of course credit to the supports of LGD recognizing that they
have to play around him and having good spell casting. Leveraging the Theolokor
Grimstrup quite well.
As all of this is happening both carries are completely free farming.
So that is the one thing that's mostly alarming I would say for the radiant team is it just gets there?
Let's say three or four items things can get
Difficult nice save on the bear
here.
Sankai is the choice for PMA on the Timber, PL about to finish the mantle style, and on
the other side already talked about that spirit vessel on Sumail into the eventual ULs.
What's that?
The Lyscoing Radiance on Doom, I haven't seen that for some games, but against PL, feels
really nice.
It's not as good as it used to be, but it's still solid, and if they're overall read
the game is that they can be greedy and just farm up. I don't really agree with that, but if you
do want to play that way, then Radiance is definitely the way to go.
Almost has it already. 15 minutes, not bad. That feels really good.
If you can get away with it, why not?
But yeah, it is significantly worse against PO.
The blind on the AoE just absolutely killed that hero, and I think it made me older and
gives me a nice, oh yeah, I see the stuff, look at snaking's face, very, very focused,
yeah.
I had to press a lot of buttons during that, I want to get the sequence wrong, yeah that's
radiance for the fly.
I guess Ney is about to pick up his shard, shockingly.
The farming item on the hero will be Sni-King's item of choice.
They made Shiva's worse against illusions, Radiant's worse against illusions,
and Neon are worse against illusions, right?
Yeah, why do you think I thought PL was going to be picked for this tournament?
It's like the hero just multiple countersite got nerfed, and other carries got nerfed,
and still, we've only seen it one singular game.
But you know what? Just like a lot of the pro teams, I thought that Darkseid was going to be the hot shit of this event,
this event, and that he has been the steaming ship of this event brought up.
That's right.
Thank you.
Silence will follow him, but he's a-okay.
Can't say the same for Riddies, though, although the Aether Remnant missing.
Another bushwhack.
Some days into the sharpshooter, Snake King taking the brunt of that.
He's gonna attempt to walk away as the Ever Spirit's gonna get the Searing Chains, and
one brain set makes the jump.
So by the time he does cancel out the Fade ult immediately, and that's gonna be a
double kill for Sumail and yeah we I mean we always talk about the double doom
as a possibility I feel like we never see it hey we got to see it yep
snaking dying was not in vain and he gets tipped by the other king
4k lead
oh this is a grace is he actually in trouble
They're meant to follow with the ace, so it's actually stun lock, and that was gorgeous.
Damn, that was picture perfect.
That being a kill is really, really good news for LGD.
Alright, with that radiance, it's actually not going to get killed, but it does take an absolute being.
6K lead for LGD all of a sudden.
Yeah, I'm not expecting this.
This is a very good start.
ready does not have beans grip with shows up in his true for be careful with
that chockroom is to male joint party though it's the actual onto to and that
is another well effectively a double kill to go down for Navi
snake he's actually gonna live here chockroom does finish the job eventually
and now oh this is not the juice gets rooted and destroyed showed up from the
gate I believe. Just ran into all of them and died for nothing. And now, adding insult to injury,
this game just got very hard for Navi. Very strange to see him make the choice right now,
like you could either go immediately when you get the Manta or farm your axe and then look to get
involved, but he shows up very inopportune moment. I think the snaking shard caught him off guard
That's an ALE frostfire, right? So in theory very good against PL.
This matchup is actually playable for Maiden nowadays. It used to be impossible.
Well, I say that. You still had freezing fields, but it was still very bad.
But now it's actually, you know, Crystal Clawne helps a lot.
Is that what it's called?
Yep.
And yeah, you can use it to farm.
You can pull camps together and farm them. Unfortunately, he's fighting some mail over the CS, so...
Yes, so he's gonna have to yield.
Snaking never yields.
You saw the argument with the great swindlemelons from back in the day.
Hmm, iconic.
That's right.
I would like to think they've matured a bit since then.
Probably not, at least one of them.
Now one of them's not a pro player anymore, so that's when you start to mature the human being, you would think.
Sorry, realize there's more to life.
It's a bane, killed off, so Sumail, racking up the kills now, 7 and 2 start for him, as
the ROOT will apply to PMA with the Frostbite as well, and he can't go anywhere, needs that
load as badly.
What is he building right now?
They're actually just getting home.
He's going for the BKB first.
Total outplays all over the map right now from the side of LGD, very impressive stuff, and
bodes well for not only this series of balls for the rest of the turn, because they were
a team that was a little bit shaky in the Swiss like they look one they look one
wow let's try again they look good one series and then the next is like and
what's really going on but maybe they just need to find their mojo figure out
what their heroes are and what type of plays they want to make what pacing
the fact that there's something they do it again they're gonna go for the bane
easier kill Phantom's a brace on the end description another frostbite to follow
BKB does have the BKB to retreat, but they get nothing out of that charge.
Look at this atmosphere build.
BKB burn is not what you want to buy on this hero.
That feels really bad.
He's not even upgrading into Vessel.
Damn.
Very positively impressed with LGD.
And it's not like, aside from, you know, the death from Got the Juice down bottom, I feel
I feel like it was a little bit of a head-scratcher, but I don't feel like they've just completely, you know, made like crucial back-to-back errors non-stop.
It's more credit to LGD doing very clever and well-executed plays.
And here's another retina frostbite combo again. He does not have DKB into the fear. They actually have so many ways to lock these heroes down.
Pop that SS ring and try to get away, but another A can retina, he will greet him, and he'll have to go back to the grave again.
Is this DAC?
Sumail, 0-1-2 and Lane, getting shut down.
He was more than 0-1-2 though, sure.
Yeah, I think that storm game is one of the most memorable games of Dota for me.
He got absolutely smashed in Lane, and then he went 10, he got beyond Godlike in the fall in the 10 minutes or something.
Yeah, that was one of the few games I remember. That was something else.
Mimicking the old, the days of old.
Obviously the game has changed a lot since then. Back then you could,
some of the times if you were good enough, you could kind of do it by yourself.
But it doesn't really work that way anymore.
He's dead.
Oh, misclicked on the vessel.
Yeah.
Hit by that stroke of fate, all over the beautiful fear timing, soulbind connecting them.
And the sharpshoot actually does kill off the bear.
Still alive.
Is the Timbersaw of the Aether remit just enough for some bail?
He's going to get rooted now.
Still has it assimilated to try to exit.
Looks like he's fine.
You can divide during the party now.
Yeah, Crip on cooldown.
I think we've seen Dubai use a single ult this game, maybe?
He's just farming. Like, he's playing like a mar.
He's doing quite well.
Yeah, I mean, scoreline's not impressive, the only one, but...
He's got a BKB, and, I mean, he's getting blinked next,
so that's probably when they try to push the envelope.
Don't. I mean, why get involved if you don't have to?
This is a way more efficient way of playing the game.
If your teammates are owning this hard, just keep farming.
Get huge.
Feels good to get carried, huh?
Oh, yeah.
That one's not even really going to get to be involved much yet.
Devai has done his own fair share of that in some of their games, though.
We cast an Axe game of his earlier in the tournament.
Very good.
And that's the sign of a healthy and a good team is that all of the cores can step up when,
depending on the game and whether the lineup is built around them, they can all deliver.
Um...
Yeah, just uh, what a landslide victory this is turning out to be I actually
I'm very surprised that they made it look this easy
And especially after that first few minutes, yeah, you'd think oh
40 start for Nombi. Yeah, 40 start ember is doing well against Void Spirit. Yeah, he's gonna pick up earn
He's gonna make moves around the map. They're gonna get more kills. He gets vestly keeps rolling with it with the supports, but no
Well, especially Sumel and Theolicorn tandem have just been finding non-stop successful
plays.
Sumel didn't even bother with the Eul's, by the way, he went for Kaia, Yasha.
Yeah, now he's curing up Eul's.
I'm at the...
I mean, Q'd that up very early, actually got the shard as well beforehand, so just taking
the momentum in stride.
Another BKB.
The problem with this is, Navi now have BKB Ember and BKB Timber, do they have any damage?
Like, are they able to realistically kill these tanky or radiant heroes like the Londred
in true form or the Bear or Doom?
The fact that we have the Bear, I've even seen the Bear.
As the Aghanim Scepter, Mjolnir, Shadowblade, Silver Edge, very close.
Just a demon edge away.
was it called demon edge in total one yeah so that's the only one that stayed the same
of the the secret shop components I was plenty that didn't know I meant like they made the
big ones like measure schmitz river eagle song and eagle horn mystic stuff is still
called mystic stuff sacred relic okay that's true all the boosters I didn't mean all the
Okay, just the expensive things.
Ready?
Burning?
Fine.
Yep.
Smell.
A little bit of a statement there.
I don't think he himself believes he could kill him at all, but...
I just want to put pressure on him.
He didn't have to invest much.
Just a single Aether Remnant and a Spirit Vessel Charge.
It's kind of a more exceptional version of what Xtreme managed to do in their game with
Loan Druid on Aumei, and this was an overall first pick.
This Loan Druid has not received pressure when they want me in this game.
You have to get the Doom first, I think.
That's the PKB, we'll remnant out.
Yeah.
Like, ultimately with this type of game, you don't even need kills anymore.
Like, if you just keep pressuring them and forcing them back, you're out farming them
so hard between low and druid void spirit with shard doom with radiance as long as as long as
navi aren't getting kills they are not going to win this game
divide going to be going for the sheba's now so i keep talking about these items that were
nerfed against illusions he's buying all of them yeah they're still just getting me on her after
that he's still good they already have me on there on the bear so they have all the nerfed items
It doesn't matter though, if he is not in fighting shape.
What does he have now?
Concoct the juice.
Manta-Aggs.
How good is Aggs, by the way?
I know it's picked up second every single game.
It's like a very cookie cutter.
It's kind of hard to see the impact at times.
It is very strong.
You get more range when you find some Russian.
You create illusions really fast, which obviously is a big damage increase
both for farming and for fighting.
He's going to go for the Scotty next for the extra stat, still an ultimate orb away though.
And then the left orna as you mentioned earlier in the game, obviously, one of the few heroes
I think of that is just almost a must buy, P.L., the two that come to mind, and then
the high ground.
is for another minute for Sumail.
I'm already a towered half HP.
Sumail has the damage rune and he puts it to work on Rady's face.
They will burst him down, but it's fine.
There was 30 seconds left on him indeed.
Tower dead. Sumail is going to use the 8th Remnants as cover as the bear goes to work.
We'll be arranged barracks and not sure what they could do to actually defend this.
Jumping from Sumail onto PMA, jumping from Divy as well, looking for the Doom, does not
use it, fakes it, and now the BKB charged down for PMA.
How many dooms has he actually used?
Has he used one?
I said he used one, but I...
He got the double Doom.
Oh yeah, that's right.
And then...
That's one cast technique, then?
I don't know if he's cast.
I don't think that might be it.
But yeah, it's just been a super easy game for him.
PVE
Might as well have gone Midas cosplaying as Diablo
V Diablo VD
Maybe that's Diablo 5. Maybe you play as Diablo in that one. That would be sick. Well, I say that I could care less action
So sick. I've never played the game. I've played it. Yeah, which Diablo's did you play just to okay?
I could never I mean, you know me. I can't get into RPGs for some reason. I wish I could
I'm
Did you not play computer games when Diablo one came out? I did Starcraft what a game though Warcraft and Starcraft
I loved worse Diablo one is so iconic to me. I
Like the other Blizzard games. Yeah, that's fair
I'm sure love this valve game that we're casting mm-hmm
No, hello, I'm Lancer
the juice
Mjolnir on the bear, the male wing is on the wings right now, Snake King, okay, well he's not done yet, he's not out yet, he's not going to slow him down, he's in trouble.
on the correct target, and there is the second doom of the game.
Down goes PL, Riddies as well.
Squirrel, dead. And hey, there's a Tormentor here.
I forgot that was an objective.
Let's kill it and get a free shard for our teammates.
That shard will go to...
Divide.
Oh, wow.
That is...
Talk about a greedy girl getting rewarded even more.
Yeah.
I can just go and eat an ancient if he wants.
Not too shabby.
Fortunately Wich was just killed the Black Dragon.
The Blacks been playing with the speed on the entire game.
Because this force be here...
I'm sure he's fine. I'm sure he's just fine.
Almost has to be, he just has to be here.
Yeah, it's not getting easier.
Nope.
Let's see how much Falcon, Snake and Constrike into this team.
In terms of how long they're gonna play the map for. Hmm. They did go for a fast first set of racks
What do you think would happen with the game if the time in between the ages expiring and Roche spawning was lowered
But it's speed up the game. Yeah, it would right? Yeah
That'll be something to look into but it would
Yeah, I mean, Dota is always in this eternal battle between how much should you reward the team that's ahead and how much of a chance you're to have it coming back.
Because we've been... I think it's one of the most difficult things about balancing multiplayer games of any kind is that you kind of want to feel like you can still win, otherwise what's the point?
But you also don't want to feel like it doesn't matter to build an advantage. So, like really, really tricky wits. Being chased by a bear will live.
Miku about to finish his aggro scepter.
Great.
See if he can get to Yuzza before this game ends.
Better get something going to buy.
Oh good infernal blade with the congregations of the deep.
Yuzza's doom as well. Attempted to TP back.
He's not going to heal in the fountain.
And yeah, nowhere to go.
Whatever someone saved me nightmare takes up a little bit of damage, but he takes out nonetheless nice try though
But he immediately just ran over to Riddies to get one tick dodge, but
Needed more than that
We've cast a lot of one-sided games this turn a very few of them who reached the 1k gpm mark lead
We're there at 31 minutes. That's true beans grip though. So now caught off guard
Finally something. Yeah, it's been 20 minutes. It's been 70 whatever years of this she says in Titanic
70 years since Jack died. I let him die on that
Whatever it was that painting they were on
something I
Thought it was just a random life. Oh, maybe it's way
Yeah, there wasn't room for two. I swear
My ass was too fat for a second person to get on.
I was so thick that's why he fell in love with me the first time.
So you have seen Titanic at least?
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah, I was about to say weren't you impressed with the movie reference?
Yeah, that's actually...
I thought I was talking to a normal human being there for a second.
Yeah, I know.
It's kind of refreshing.
Don't worry.
We'll come back down to Earth again.
Have you seen Odyssey yet?
No.
That's unfortunate for you think I've read it though. I don't think you know in high school
You don't read books you told me that you don't do anything you don't watch movies
You don't watch TV shows you don't read books like what is wrong with you? I eat food jump in
divide
Divide doesn't have to do but they saw so much damage nightmare to try to save the PL
It's off the top of anger. There's a soul by the PL still dies though, and they're dropping like flies
PMA with a BK but they're able to take out the support and Sumail up and running now.
Not even needed though.
There's a triple kill for Wittz on his bare PMA.
Does exit the premises.
Well, PL is a perfectly balanced hero.
It's going to 50% merit up to this game in the tournament.
There's Charmander just walking at him, good bye, 32K lead.
This game is over now, we don't have to stay here, we can go next game, it's okay.
Karoke in the back saying, you guys are doing great.
Keep it up.
Okay, but throwing the towel, you have a bad game?
GG's off.
There we go.
Capital GG, don't think he feels that way though, it's LGD, looking extremely crisp
in game number one.
Yeah, this is one of the more impressive performances I've seen from any team in this tournament.
I just, I really like how well they identified.
Alright, we dropped the ball a little bit on Sumail.
Let's immediately go and play around him heavily with our two supports and just kept finding.
Sumail's back, Richard!
Some say he never went away. Obviously did retire for a few days, but whatever.
Yes, it was a very good performance and I love what Sunderin said there.
Little bit of, you know, apprehension about Sumail, maybe not the greatest match-up,
one that he's slightly going to lose.
The support had his back, able to get him back into the game, which he took over,
and this was the opposite side of the Navi equation.
Yes, Sumail is just playing with so much confidence in this game.
I don't know why, I don't know how, but sometimes Sumail looks like the, you know,
15-year-old prodigy that we saw forever young
I want to be
What was the term that he was the 15 DCA?
D.A.C. D.A.C. D.A.C. back in the day before my time, but back back in the day
Like when he was camping the remnant mid it's it's just so stylish dude. These are the
huge advantages you can get by simply having
mid-diff and
There's an irony that it's Niku, the youngest player in the tournament, one of the highest skilled players in Dota currently that he's able to make this play against.
You know, shout out to all the old guys out there. Sumail's really repping us hard.
Yeah, he really is old, 27 or 26, wherever he is right now, because he started so young.
But the way this game opened up is they killed this tier one tower in the top lane relatively early on, six or seven minutes in.
Doom did the pave with his life afterwards, but it did open up the map quite a lot, allowing them to get another angle to find this Phantom Lancer, which they did.
And another game of Laundroid where other four heroes are kind of playing together until he is getting the farm.
Like we have seen that in game number one in XG series, where Amei completely stomped the game when he came online.
What's doing the same thing? Because he had two supports who are very aggressive.
They set his lane for success playing Timbersaw in this matchup where you're like,
this is something that we mentioned. You're playing basically in triple route.
You're playing into Frostbite, into Rude from Longdruid's Bear, into another Frostbite.
It just makes it impossible for you to play the game.
And he was on the receiving end for a good reason.
I also think that he could have slotted in Lotus Orb instead of that Kaya Sanja,
just to have extra bit of survivability, great against Doom, good against pretty much
Spirit Vessel or anything that he does have.
But Sumail, he was the one who popped off after having a couple of those deaths, decided
to say, you know what, I'm just gonna go and take over the whole map.
Can you tell me honestly, if you see Lone Druid Crystal Maiden, this is the lane that
you're up against, and you see a Vessel Carrier Mid?
You're like, yeah, it's Timber slow time.
Why would you lock in Timber?
That seems like someone made the call and had confidence when they said it, and then
everybody else shouldn't have listened.
Because I think that they thought we are going to steal this Timbersaw because LGD potentially
wants to grab it here.
A lot of the times it doesn't work well when you're stealing picks from the other team
and then you end up with a draft like this.
Do you think there's a world where they wanted the PL preemptively?
They're like, this is going to be the game.
And the one but they thought oh shit. They look like they're gonna pick timber here. We gotta take it from them
It's the vibe. He's gonna divide timber. We can't play the PL. This is the one
Yeah, essentially. Yeah. Yeah, I think that actually is a plausible
Scenario, I mean we can take a look at how it went down and it was the Somalia show at the end of the day
Although I think which definitely needed this game, but didn't have much to do because
because Sumail.
This guy, so basically there was a fight at the 7 minute wisdom shrine.
Sumail TP'd.
But then, or maybe somebody else TP'd and there was like a TP cancel.
And Sumail just went to the remnant mid, waited for Niku to come back to the remnant.
Somebody clicked, I don't know if it was him or one of his teammates and said, he has no mana.
So, otherwise you just remnant again and then you get outright.
But like they made that call or Sumail clicked and then he camped the remnant.
It's just something you don't see in every game.
It's like one out of every ten games that an outskill like that happens,
but it sets the entire game up for success.
And then we can look at 18 minutes as well.
What's the game of all?
Yeah, this one was, it's just these little micro plays
to, you know, for efficiency.
Was this your clip with us?
No, I don't think it was.
But I can, ah, here it is, the big creep wave here.
Yeah, I wanted to, I wanted to look at this.
I think there was, this is when he was farming the creep wave.
There's always a fight on the creeps.
But I really liked that Wittz was doing the thing, you're dragging with the bear.
It was Satanic that I saw doing that with Lone Druid first.
It goes obviously like the S tier Lone Druid players, but it felt like something that
other LDs just weren't doing. This hero has such a high skill cap. I hate this,
it bothers me to say it because I hate these LD players, they're like the worst people,
they're worse than SF players. They are here like, they hit you once with the bear and laying,
you can't lane against them, but honestly there's so much that you can do with the bear,
Especially at the point where you it doesn't attack. Yeah, the the reason why helm of the dominator seems like
OP item on certain heroes after all these nerves is you always have something to do you basically have another hero that you
Can utilize rag the creep waves get some extra farm iron shell
Denied the runes and stuff like that. So you will always have something you have those extra units like we've seen when beast master
Was meta where people were sending boards from the mid beast master to the side lane just to have that extra bit of slow extra bit
damage so they have a kill threat stacking for themselves so there's always something to do
unless you control like one hero spirit break I click charge here we go you know but it's not that
high skill hero did you voice line that's the voice but yeah some of these heroes definitely have
way way higher skill cap and it definitely shows in the game definitely does so now be up against it
we will see if they can turn things around after this break.
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9, 6, it's not coincidence.
What is it now every time you to come water?
Minutum water room the minute for water room in the five minutes six minutes seven so I think I don't leave me
Yes, go double meet with I know after two minutes because I need to speak before I can play tiny
You can play your hero
Just come to me. I mean, I think it's situational, but most games you should come
It's six but the other way so I turn it in its night
So we agree together.
Oof.
Four. Two.
Okay, I can explain.
Every time I'm not playing stun in matchmaking, it's impossible to play, it's zero dopamine.
You cannot kill anyone, all you can do is FK farm.
And Niko has four because he can FK farm, and I cannot FK farm.
So it's more a fun game for him and I don't have any gameplay, but you can win still.
To be honest, there are half of mid lane heroes that are not, like, no door for me to play
because they are like, blinks stun almost, and I don't like it, but there's like some, like,
NPE, like some of these heroes that you just farm, but you have no stun basically, that's the only reason why you can't fight.
But you can only cannot kill, so it's like, 55.
Yeah, but I enjoy to play heroes without stun, and sometimes in part there's some dude saying,
Or we cannot win because we have zero stuns.
Like, like, what is your pick?
Why do you pick this hero?
Like, why do you have no stuns?
That's so boring for me.
We can win any game.
Nine.
Nine.
I can explain.
Okay.
Nine if it's against.
If it's Niko with me on Husker, then it's zero.
Yeah.
Always the same for me.
When I'm playing Husker, I enjoy playing Husker, but when you play against Husker, you hate this guy, he's playing Husker.
Because you know, it's so, so blank and blank to play against.
It breaks the game.
Zero.
Zero? You don't like to talk about a person in your life?
Yes.
I'm anonymous in our team.
Well, it's kind of true.
I like to talk about life stuff with the boys, so it's not a problem for me, it's also very fun.
Seven. It's always hard to blame other people because you feel bad in pub and you want to
say some toxic shit and after it you say something toxic you like feel
refreshed like the diff. Also maybe if you're wrong but you still like start
first start playing first then everyone thinks that you're right. Yeah also you're
in like a higher position against the guy who is who maybe was right. But overall in
life and in Dota it's sometimes it's healthy sometimes it's not. In pub it depends on the person.
You must do it.
In the pub, I don't know, maybe most is true.
One.
Four.
I would like to be on Mars once, if I can come back.
But for whole life, no way.
It probably is like, you should always play in this space, what's your name?
Now I think maybe it's cool to have a bootcamp in Mars, imagine a bootcamp in Mars, like if I like one year to Mars, just like play some like bootcamp.
Maybe it makes sense, it's nothing except Dota, it's Red Hills and Dota, the only thing that you have.
But overall it's not good, I wouldn't go.
I think it's just depressive, probably, it gets super depressive.
So, you know, I decrease it. It's two. It's two. I hold one. Okay. Not zero. Not end of the world. Not zero, though. Yeah. Not end of the world.
I've been the trick with that question. I'm now happy to announce PGL Mars will be happening in 2027. Just kidding.
the only time we can hear Mars is in these type of content videos because it's not it's not a hero to be picked right now
unfortunately yes anyways back to you like the two players that you can ask that sort of question again actual
they thought about it response oh yeah I every time I change the score that's how much you thought about it every time I see a
see a Na'vi interview, I just want them to win so badly. These guys are, these kids are,
they're good kids, man. They are very good kids, wholesome kids. And as I said, remember
they are the youngest team in the tournament, one of the youngest teams in that tier one
that they're growing together, developing together. You saw that they've got a good
relationship. So yeah, a lot of, a lot of people are pulling for them. And obviously
as well, the Na'vi brand, man. Yeah, but the kids got schooled in this one because
LGD they had their number. I think what went wrong with the previous draft is
The first three openers that they had hoodwink ember bane
This looks more than solid that you have pretty much one of the strongest
If not like the most picked support of the tournament with the hoodwink you have ember
Super highly contested hero super strong hero in general bane another lane dominator
And then it kind of went wrong with this 17 timber pick because there was still
one more pick to counter it even though like he saw as you said Lone Druid
Chryslam Maiden there was also Void Spirit on top of that plus they had
another hero to pick and they picked Doom and then Dreamstroke on top it's just
literally playing into five counters and there was a bit too much for PMA to do
anything in that game. I'm really curious about the hoodwink ban what is
that they're trying to pick that Huda Wink is good against? Timber. Are they just worried
are they really trying to ban all of Yolokor's heroes or something because they think that he's
shade at bounty hunter and he's going to pick BH or what I mean the Crimson Stroke was really good
last game yeah I feel like the banning out of Yolokor is uh that's uh there's Dark Wellow still
available there are a lot of these position 4s that feel very very strong at the moment even
win range that can be flexed, not talking about the first pick overall, just talking about the
heroes in general. I also feel that these teams, they come prepared to a draft and then you see
them losing to Lone Druid and then giving respect only in game two. Like this is a hero that you
need to address early because it will take over the game. One of the few ones that has
Yes, I win rate on the hero. Okay, which doctor was in the biggest losers at the start of the day
But Navi they make it work somehow. So Marana is still available for LGD. I don't see why they wouldn't
Go for that. It doesn't reveal much
You know if if you're
Marana against a witch doctor, you're pretty happy he can never really cast you or
or maledictive, if you do get maledicted,
you just leap away, you can always arrow
and interrupt this ulti.
I'm very curious about the witch doctor first pick.
Yeah, you had way better options.
Like witch doctors impact in the early game is massive
compared to any other hero
cause you're gonna be zoning out these melee offlaners.
Problem is they can't pick the range offlaners.
Like there is no Necro ban at the moment.
This is the hero that could potentially come out
You you drop off so quickly with this witch doctor after 15 minutes
You don't even feel like a hero your ulti never goes off in a team fight compared to Marana. So
Navi, I
I'd like to see
Like something that this hero is good with because I think you are giving away
Quite a lot of more quality and good heroes or just to pick which doctor. Yeah
Yeah, I agree
Who is a good combo though?
Who does Witch Doctor like?
Pacels Void Witch Doctor is something, at least for the game.
We saw Darkseer as well with the cask, Maladict on two, three heroes maybe that you could
pull in.
This is very hard to pull off in a fight, especially a Witch Doctor.
This is a relatively poor hero, sure you get some extra bit of a gold from Grigory, but
a lot of the times the impact of this hero in the post-laning stage is very, very minimal.
My theory on Witch Doctor, at least since he's been quite bad, which has been a lot of patches now,
is that a lot of teams like to pick it against specific offlaners that tend to play a lot of the melee tanky guys
that do not want to play against Witch Doctor, so it's kind of like a preemptive thing for Thvai,
and it forces him to pick a hero like Enigma, for example, which would have been great.
Necro, as you mentioned, Death Prophet, which he hasn't played yet, but I imagine is fully...
As an off-laner, you needed to test out a couple of these ranged heroes, because in the previous patch, you just couldn't lane in this one.
It's also very miserable playing against some of the heroes, but yeah, Witch Doctor definitely being one of them.
And also the other side, I think they want to focus with the Voodoo Restoration to be able to secure the lane,
forgot the juice, because he didn't get to play the game, which Doctor fixes a lot of these issues.
example, I think Ursa is a good example. He needs extra bit of a heal, level 1,
level 2, even level 3, just to get to that early stage because he gets harassed
quite a lot. So we could maybe see something like this happening. I think
it's more about got the juice because he can't take over the game rather than us
being like super aggressive. It's more about stabilizing the safe lane and the
why? He had a pretty good game in the previous one. He did build Radiance. He
did go for BKB and she was completely countering what PL wants to do and yet
just also to add right dark sea bounty hunter the best the best heroes in the
game of course on day one no one even cares about them anymore they haven't
looked good the counter the counters to them do exist also some of the players
that we have here in the playoffs are not the players that enjoy playing those
heroes other than you know maybe Soxa, for example, but you know on these two
teams like on LGD for example they are going straight back to two supports that
deal a lot of damage that stand in the back that need a hero that can go in for
them which does make the offline pick a little bit weird because sometimes that's
the off laner like Axe would have been good for example but this team usually
usually does it with Sumail. He's the guy that's getting in there.
Oh, that's a really weird support to you, Ofer Navi. I gotta say it's very slow.
It's a very low damage coming out at the early stages combined with Doom.
I'm okay with Doom because like, like I think we've seen Doom win all of the
games so far today. Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, I think that's right.
And you need to match the aggression. You see Marana, Dark Willow.
These are some of the strongest supports in the meta that can easily rotate to any lane
and make sure you are getting the kill, quite a lot of control.
If they decide to pick up for the mid lane, any kind of a setup, there's still Void Spirit,
if he wants to go again for it. Any kind of hero that goes in does feel very, very nice.
Right now, they don't have any ways of starting the fight other than Moonlight Shadow, so I would
like to see that hero as you mentioned that goes in some yeah like stunner type of a hero
they can get that from safe lane of this wind ranger like we've seen the off lane wind ranger
we've seen the mid wind rangers as well so still flexible wow into rubik doom and witch doctor
man that's crazy that like witch doctor i wish you could see dom space everyone
Yeah, it's the same situation as happened in the previous game. There's a lot of counters, Rubik, of course, stealing the pure damage, spells, doom.
Very, very good against TimBee in the lane. I think you are going to suffer immensely. So they need to find a hero that is good against Corvin Ranger, that is good against Timbersaw as well, Gut the Juice.
So we're talking about the heroes that could potentially build into some MKB and maybe threaten a little bit more in the laning stage against this Timbersaw.
If it were another patch, I would say Gotha Juice TA is really good, but it's just not been a hero for a long time.
I think it's a good match up into Windrunner.
I mean that one goes both ways because early on Windrunner is physical immune essentially
and she can do a lot of physical damage through Lifestealer's Rage.
However, as the game goes later, Lifestealer loves to build an MKB and he can also infest
her with the Agatom Scepter.
She can't deal with that easily.
She can't be mobile and run away from you.
She's not good at kiting you.
It also does fine in lane against timber if I'm timber. I'm totally okay playing into a lifestealer
But maybe not so much if it's lifestealer plus witch doctor that that's where it's a bit rough
Hmm
It could be good
OD game even dragonite. I'm looking for mid laners for lgd something that can set up the rotations for both of the supports
Pango is a good one for Navi. I think the heroes, like they have no abilities that can kill Pango
other than focus fire. This is the only ability that he would be afraid of when he uses the rolling
thunder. Both teams are looking for a mid that can do stuff. And Voker also is not bad for Navi.
like he's a hero that can get act semi-active I mean he has stuns in fights
there's not really great Sunstrike setup there's like so many mid laners are
banned out right now Puck just hasn't worked for teams and also LGD has the
24th pick so they can hard counter it Lena feels a bit greedy but maybe in
also along those lines. You can't undyne because you don't see the matchup.
No, I think it's very specific. It has been used as a counter in the lane for
Art Spirit. And Navi, they need to decide. I'd be okay with the
Star Spirit now that the puck is gone, now that the Dragonite is gone as well.
It's a good vehicle for lifestealer so that they can jump in choose the target choose the back lines
They want to jump and kill it from hundred to zero there are no saves other than terrorize maybe on top of a hero
Not a traditional Niku hero by any means but
It is like the only thing left though
But they do go for invoker
Okay, now this here. I know midlaners
They liked the theorycraft lane counters to invoke her
like they they think that it's very abusable in lane
so puck voidspear are like the best ones pango is also very good
a lot of the good ones are out actually
nature's profit does well against it
yeah i was thinking the same an active hero
around the map
i think whatever they pick they will not have too much team fights
going on inside of LGD
very single target oriented abilities
some of course AoE with Timbersaw but uh... they need to focus on like one guy
that we are not
in the meta where it's like big teamfight alties and Ingma gets banned a lot of the
time tight hunter not really a hero at the moment
have a full minute to think about this one
could storm be in consideration? Storm is good as well
because obviously i know it's not doing too well right now
There's the only spirit Sumail hasn't played as of yet, this tournament.
Because it's Sumail's spirit and, yeah, it is quite good against Invoker.
Like this hero is so annoying at running around and split pushing and casting multiple rounds of spells and fights.
And if you can just jump him, it's really strong.
I do like the natures though for just giga-upping the tempo of the game.
Because it's pretty greedy on the side of Navi.
It really is. It's a lifestealer.
Okay, I didn't mention that earlier
But haven't seen this matchup
I would love to see the two the reason why I mentioned it as well when I thought was talking about the supports on Navi
Which are low damage heroes you have lifestealers of their damage in the first 10 15 minutes is very very limited
So I want to see two supports like leaving the lanes from LGD because you have self-sustainable
So, safe lane and the off lane, Timbersaw wants some solo XP, Windranger wants to get to level
6, start to play against that Invoker as early as possible.
This is a hero that can't really defend themselves and if you have Witch Doctor and Rubik rotating
or TP rotating, being there in the mid lane, I don't think they're going to be able to
achieve much.
Like you, first of all, these spells don't deal damage.
They're on relatively long cooldowns compared to Murana, compared to Dark Willow and OD,
they have the setup for so I think LGD in this one they're going to be playing as early as possible through some mail in the mid lane
Yeah, I would I would echo that sentiment. I really do think the combo of OD plus willow OD plus morana
Very strong. It's one way to turn OD's like insane lane dominance into a lot of kills
And then you know, you can get the meteor town meteor hammer and turn that into a lot of towers
I think there's a lot of play options for LGD here and they have really good lanes as well
Yeah, it's a little bit perplexed about the Timbersaw and where it's gonna go. I mean, I don't know if it's just a
Think it's okay and the vine needs a bit of comfort again, you know
He's gonna suffer level one level two no matter what and then I think the aggression when the supports move
He's gonna be getting those solo levels playing against the Leicester. He's gonna be more fine. Okay, right?
We'll see how it pans out for now. We go back to the sidelines for another nugget from Nomad. He's interviewing CY
Thank you, Mr Lewis. Yeah, see why so what was the last thing you said to the boys before you left that booth?
Like I just tried to give some ideas about how their game will go like maybe like tell them to think about the lanes and talk about it and
Like for example how it will go in nighttime like what we should watch for a bit and like how we maybe want to play
Yeah, that's kind of
Did you have to give a bit of a pep talk after game one because that didn't really go how you're expecting I'd imagine
Yeah, a little bit I think like of course there was like a little bit of emotions
You know like about after you lose such a game like you're getting kind of stunned and we also didn't expect to I think like that
Hard maybe so of all like sure something went wrong, but we don't really have time to you know look at it right away
So for now, it's just about resetting getting a new draft. There's gonna be a new game depending on the rate this time
So it should be a different game, you know regardless. So let's see how it goes
Yeah, get that bear out of there fuck that guy
I mean, obviously you are significantly older than everybody on your team that yep
I mean, is that coming to play though? Do you give your experience to them and stuff in situations like these?
I mean, apart from the fact that I'm being reminded of that fact sometimes, yeah, I do think it comes into play because I think, like, now they have a bit more experience than when I came to the team also, so they're a bit more calm in general, but you can definitely feel like they're young, you know, sometimes they like talk a bit fast, a bit sporadic.
Um, well like, maybe I'm just a bit more laid back, like, just take it easy, like, breathe for one second, and you know, like, don't need to like, come up with everything in one second, you know, so, yeah, I try to at least, you know, use that.
And, uh, how do they remind you about the age gap? What do they say to you?
I mean, it's mostly Nico, but he says some shit like, uh, I don't know, just whatever it's for old people, you know, like, I'm old, like, I get reminded this is quite a lot.
I don't know if I'll do it.
Alrighty, well good luck in this game.
Number two, we'll see how it goes for you guys.
We send it over to our castles for this one.
It is Sun's Finance in the ring.
Thank you very much.
Yeah, VMA.
Great interview with draft daddy.
That's right.
He's not going to be too happy with this.
Daddy's not happy.
Well?
VMA.
No.
Luggernae, Deolacor gets the first blood.
He's bringing out the belt after that one.
Sumail on the OD this time.
Versus Niku's Invoker.
Yeah, it seems like the panel were on Navi's side for this one, Cinder.
And how about you?
Was that what you took from that?
I'll be honest, I don't listen to them, so I just took a 50-50 there.
That's fair.
Well, that's actually not fair.
So what did they say?
I think they were likely to do that, I didn't, I wasn't, I don't think they were fully convinced
either way that it was going to be a clear advantage.
I think they really hated LGD's lineups when I got out.
What they liked was that LGD are going to move their supports to mid to help to mail,
and I think that is exactly what they should be doing.
Especially based on game one, this guy can pop off clearly, he's still got it.
The reason it feels like such an obvious thing to do is that Timber and Windranger both
Don't mind playing 1v2s as long as they have their bases covered, which you can do in the first couple waves.
Invoker is often times really helpless against getting ganked, and you have the most obvious setup ever.
You have Astral into Aero or Astral into Bramble.
So regardless of who comes mid, it's very nice high pressure play.
I am personally a little bit worried for Navi in this game.
I was clearly very wrong in game number one, where I thought they were going to win also a little bit based off of power levels, right?
right they came in three and one but with that number they don't have balls
that's true with that game one performance from LGD coupled with the
heroes that they have now and the fact they can kind of play a similar fashion
I really like them here okay and I think the dire line up is maybe too greedy
doom invoker life stealer is a lot of non-action yeah that's just was the old
cross wax invoker I could see it but invoker is exclusively played Xort
right now in prodota so who's doing anything and one of the sun strike kills
coming from exactly you don't really have the most reliable stun you have
cast which is not that long of a duration telekinesis is probably the best
it's not great centaur on doom at some point yeah it's not reliable so that
you kind of just have to you just have to clutch it when heroes are running away
it looks like device is just constantly maladicted because of that purple
Oh, here.
Chakram on his hand.
Yeah.
Guess he was good at predicting.
That's right.
That's right.
Will ahead.
The Alucord will live though.
And Riddies taking heavy dip.
I say that.
Riddies gets the kill if I suppose that was with a blood grenade.
And then divide.
Now he'll be happy with some solo XP at the very least.
Had a TP back really, really early.
Does not have a TP now, but getting a decent amount out of the lane.
Yeah, tons of XP.
It's alright.
Doesn't have to have a great start here on the Timber, he just has to float the lane and
get something going.
Obviously, Witch Doctor is very strong in this phase of the game at dominating in the
laning stage, so it was never really going to have that fun of a time, but neither is
Doom.
He has 9 CS, playing against double-ranged heroes that both have nukes.
Not fun for PMA, and Rubik just not, like he's just not the hero that's going to solve
that problem.
I believe Maladik is on him.
He's purple regardless.
He's trying to dodge a Sun Strike that's not being thrown.
He's dead either way.
Radies, by the way.
Radies is 2-0 on Witch Doctor in this tournament.
You were disgusted by the paint.
I don't think the heroes are first pick.
I've seen you so disgusted with anything before.
It's like Marado's right there, you know?
But anyway, he's 2-0 with Witch Doctor so they haven't lost yet.
And that means that the hero's 28.7% win rate across, I think, 14 games is largely due to this guy, otherwise it'd be like 10.
Yeah.
Sunstrike's gonna be dodged, but this Maladict should finish him off.
Still not.
But Riddie's showing why Witch Doctor is so good, Syndra.
That make a big mess.
Maladict, very, very strong.
I mean, when Timbersaw was picked, the analysts were a bit puzzled.
That was one part I did listen to in the pregame.
That was indeed kind of strange, picking it into Doom, not knowing the carry matchup.
The hero is clearly doing very well in this tournament overall.
He might just be dead again.
Now, again, going to be enough.
Riddie is absolutely destroying in this top lane.
30 seconds on the TP, that's 15 second downtime.
Did you just stay in base and wait or make the walk of shame and start to walk?
You definitely walk.
The waiting 20 seconds is way too long.
If it's like five or maybe anything under 10 is okay, but it's also, you know,
you're losing the opportunity to have the TP for something else,
whatever that is TPing to safety or maybe seeing it quite cool play somewhere.
Having that option is good.
Now, this is definitely an atrocious start for DeVy, worse than PMA's of last game.
Kind of predictable though.
Yeah, P.O.L.A.Core, nice dodging of the brambles. Might still end up dying if you get Sunstrike here.
DeVy has joined the party though. Sunstrike's not gonna hit.
Doesn't need that.
P.O.L.A.Core still gonna die to Malodik. It's Riddies. On a mega kill streak, DeVy would love to get that gold.
Doesn't have Timber Chain quite yet though.
He's a level 3 timbersaw chasing a level 5 witch doctor.
That's kind of crazy.
And Riddies.
Well, 5-0 start. Has all the kills so far for Navi.
Yep, he's getting nice and rich, Sunstrike.
Okay.
Clean hit, good job. I just heard the sound.
Oh, it's a siege creep. Well done.
BZM would have missed that.
Not paid on BZM. That's funny.
It's all fun and games with Dota, Shannon. This game is about having fun.
Yeah, that's what they say. It's what all my pub teammates are like, just enjoy yourself.
While we go rake here.
That's the TP, but still level 3. Oh my goodness.
He has nothing.
He cannot TP back, obviously, so missing a full wave.
I understand this lane match was hard. I feel like this it cannot be this bad
They must have screwed up somehow like willow can pull waves you can skill timber chain instead of two points into warling death
Which I feel like that is actually uber greedy when you're losing the lane or and they're taking the wisdom shrine
Straight up just terrible for divide
I don't know what do you think the rationale is between that I'm going to in rolling death was you really struggling that hard with getting any CS
because I think a couple of his deaths maybe could have been avoided with chain
there you think so and yeah if nothing else pull the wave
now like again oh boy maybe you can't pull the wave against witch
structures will I would think you can survive though it's gonna be fine here
it's trying to dodge the Sun Strike finally looking for a movement now is
the all the core and it brambles not a no damage though not nearly
smell didn't have sanity is ready oh oh my god wow that was so
awesome you holy shit that was sick so clean I think it was filthy actually the
opposite of playing good god device having he has been dumpstered harder
than I've seen anyone get dumpstered in quite a while yep somehow net salmon
net worth as the invoker with all the sunstroke what the how
does it yes some else 52 miles 52 and 33
ready to five and oh same net worth what is happening
I know this is an OD favorite matchup of some else taking this kid to school
honestly that is absolutely crazy 55 and 34 denies
yeah I can't remember the last time I've seen this many denies in a hero in a
Okay, so who's more dumpster than the timbers?
Invoker is level so you can jungle
Man that's crazy
And we'll Sumail gonna get some help now from snaking. He doesn't need it. No
Can have their game because Invoker just gave up on laning
Yeah, so they might just be able to pressure that tower for free for an extended period now already has to maybe a hammer on Sumail
Nine minutes hammer
Not bad. It's kind of like pub games where people like go in
And in the meantime
Divy has a nine minute brown boots. Yeah, why don't this is not like the other no
He's resigned to the jungle probably the best that's where the level two
Whirling death will three now will come in handy. I suppose he's gonna be interacting with a creep live in a moment
Because that means he's beginning to be mal-addicted.
Well, Lich Doctor isn't here this time.
They have other plans.
I understand, and I shackle on to two.
Focus fire to Riddies.
Looks like he'd be finished off as the Doom though.
Finds his way to Wits.
He's just gonna get run down.
Oh, good.
Trade from Navi.
Ooh, that second star zone for Snake King, though.
I mean, you might as well turn it to a core hero now for Snake King.
You traded two supports for a core,
But I think that's very worth it for the side of the LGD. They ended a mega kill streak on Riddies
Snaking got so much gold out of this
It's gonna be closing in on our cane boots as well as I believe in urn. No, no actually never mind. See Mel has haste
Heading towards bot they would love to kill off PMA get stuck in the brambles heading towards the right side
Snaking pops a fairy fire to survive though
Well, this is just a matter of time.
A little bit of vision provided there from Sumail.
He's just going to pop that Sanities.
And he gets a TP back and won't miss too many creeps either.
TP's made.
OK, is he mal-addicted?
No, he's just purple.
The open wounds is also purple because of that cosmetic.
Very confusing.
That is very confusing, actually.
Bramble now on today's.
He gets Shaq.
I'm not sure what he's doing here, but he's dead.
He's dying here.
Yeah, he's dying.
Focus fire now on the building.
Tier one tower as well.
PMA, TP's in.
Sun strike is going to be dodged.
He's going to leap away.
Moonlight shatter now for some invisibility.
That's great enough for them to get away.
It wasn't for devised lane.
LGD would be destroying right now.
Yeah, this essentially is a kind of even game in terms of gold, but the distribution is whack.
Out of whack, yeah.
So...
You both are still strong, I'm...
The hero doesn't recover very fast.
Yes, I'm the lane is this bad.
So...
So, what about which Dr. Carey?
I think the question here is, now that the laning stage is going to start breaking up, what do Navi do on the map?
But this is my biggest problem with their lineup, is inherently you don't have an obvious hero to play around when Invoker loses its lane, DOOM is going to farm.
Life stealers, this is one of the most AFK carries in all of Dota for the first 20 minutes.
Like, the hero is just not good at anything else than laning and hitting creeps.
So, like, occasionally you see a bit of an infest gank or going through the game with the map.
He pops an octurgation, like he's surrounded, and we'll be killed off, that is gonna be some
rough course Riddies gets to kill, 7 and 1 on the witch doctor, and you asked why did
they pick him.
Well, he needs to win the game as well.
We'll talk when they win the game.
Very little though, because then we'll go to the panel, but, you know.
So he has 7 of the 8 kills for Navi, hilarious.
I mean, how well would you say this hero's scale is farmed?
I feel like the problem is farmed, which Doctor is playing off of Death Ward, but the spell just isn't very good in Pro Dota, so...
And I don't know what other paths you have. Like, yeah, you can always play some sort of utility game.
Got the Jews. That was a nice prediction there from Sumail.
Got the Rage away.
Divya wants to go in, we're pretending to want to go in, but there's a witch doctor,
I'm pretty sure he has PTSD at this point of the game.
Okay, Divya's level 8.
Can I guess that's true?
And he has Kaia, he's kind of back, he's 700 ahead of Invoker.
That's absurd.
So how are they not up by more?
The Doom effect, maybe?
Um, Doom is having a very good time, comparatively, and Riddies is also ahead, but, oh yes.
It's kind of pretty even across the board, man, Niku is in struggle town.
He's walking back to base without boots.
Kind of a microcosm of his management.
Riddies can be 7-1 on Witchdoctor, and he's still only 300 above Dark Willow.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
Another stolen wisdom shrine, got the juice, nags it.
Yeah, you're guaranteed to be able to BKB TP out in this game.
So our Rage TP in his case.
So there's no risk really.
Until Witz gets Basher of course.
Yeah, you'd love to see that.
I would.
I think everybody would.
Yeah.
I mean, it's a guaranteed bash.
Don't knock it till you try it, Syndra.
Nope.
Let's make him take out the Trash in mid, and he might be Trash himself soon, but
Nobby is not going to pounce to mid with the damage rune.
He has Sandvies at the ready.
They still have Glove.
Going to go for the 9, no, we're going to go for the Banish instead.
It is stolen though from Daze, and this is something the panel talked about.
Again, one of the very few moments that I was listening.
And this is a good Rubik game in terms of steels this hero sucks to play OD into it's one of the
Ruffer matchups Astral is such a good spell to steal
It's also for them that's a guaranteed sunscreen set up that's what they were missing right yeah true
Quick reward from Riddies as he is making his way over with days to cover lifestealer.
Again, awkward time for Navi here in terms of making anything happen, but the good news
for them is they don't necessarily have to.
I think as long as all their cores are farming, the big picture of the game is still solid.
Yes, Invoker is having a terrible time, but his other two cores are off to a great start.
And I would imagine they themselves are confident in the late game here.
We've got Doom against either OD or Timbersault, which is incredible, and Voker becomes a late
game beast.
Life stealer, his carry to carry matchup against Windranger is a little bit awkward, but I
would say he's one of the better carries against OD because of how much uptime you have on
immunity.
That hero is all about pure and magic damage.
So yeah, it's probably okay.
It's gonna go Manton, nice to learn.
Not necessarily an item you have to buy this game.
Just brambles, that's kind of it.
That's a little surprising. It's good for farming though.
I just...
He's a carry player.
Yeah, only one thing on their mind.
Sees those dollar signs, and hears that clinking sound.
Well, if you're basing it off of sound effects alone, you'd be seeing more anti-mage.
Yeah.
So, who's gonna make the first move?
I mean, who wants to?
Who's comfortable in this situation?
I guess Navi.
I would like to see LGD do something when Sanity is on.
Okay, well, I said the unforeseen Sunstrike set up.
I was wrong.
If you miss it, it's not, but they'll spend the doom instead.
PMA says, well, if you can't do it, I'll do it by side.
Maladix and a deathmort.
Doesn't have a TP.
This is kind of a pause.
What kind of Maladix is it?
He's dead.
That was kind of close, but.
Whoa!
He had a raindrop delivered just in the last second.
Big plays.
It's on strong.
Oh no! Not again! Not again!
Goddamn!
And with that, Goddamn!
With that, Niku has overtaken Timbersaw, who is now the bottom net worth of the course.
Wins the toilet bowl.
The porcelain throne trophy goes to Niku, who's now going towards the BKB.
Man, that feels bad after surviving such an epic fashion with fairy fire.
Probably felt really good about himself.
You buy fairy and raindrop and then you still die, so now you just wasted 300 gold.
Yeah.
So, yeah, that sucks.
Let's see what this is.
Oh, delicious.
Oh, divine.
Oh my god.
Oh my divine.
Yes, really great.
I'm going to call it facial animation.
Yes, he is very...
He's good. He's good on camera.
Whether they win or lose.
Days.
Yeah, taking full battle on it, looks to be an easy kill.
The only course going to dodge the tornado, gets casks though.
Another sun strike, but the save for now.
Likely just going to be cleaned up by the witch doctor and got the juice.
Now the chase is on snaking, gets off the leap.
I guess that's going to break things up, so one for one, just a little mini engagement.
okay moonlight themselves what's the plan here is this just to ward or get out
on the map because they are not grouping up at all
I think maybe it was to give wits an opportunity to find a solo pick on his
winter goodbye doomed up now just wanted some farm man
Gaze is going to get there with chock him up his own now.
Riddies, take that again.
Nine kills? Serious?
Dude, I'm going to just walk someone and cast him to 10 kills.
He wants 10 kills.
Oh, that's so funny.
There's like the dumbest killer for 38 magic damage from the cast.
PMA doesn't even have a single kill right now.
Oh that's hysterical, that's so good. I don't know, they're correcting that more than anything so far in this turn of events.
The dumbest kill.
He's gonna get Cursed Crown. The Banshee comes out. From Sumail, the Crown has really good. Now I've picked on the two as well.
That's the LGD now on the run. Sumail pops the Octavation. But now he's stuck inside of a corner. He's just gonna get right clicked down.
This is not looking good for LGD all of a sudden.
No, totally different team from Game 1, not really finding the opportunities, and maybe the key is Samail is not on a Playmaker in the same way.
So, he's not on a Playmaker, the Timbersaw lost his lane horribly.
Which means I've been focusing a lot on Navi, well who does stuff?
Could say the same on LGD's side if Samail doesn't get activated.
What do you really have to work with?
to work with. It's kind of this awkward game of not too much happening, but Navi are definitely
getting the better of it when it does. Starting to build a pretty big advantage, especially
the win expectancy was extremely lopsided here.
Stick a fool in it, stick a fool in it!
I'm actually going to put a Torb on him, so I can make it stuck.
Nobody in the game has a shard.
So it will go against the floor.
Well actually, how rich is Riddies?
Not enough.
Even richer.
So I'll switch a rou.
I'm going to dodge some stuff with that if he's clutch.
Arrow or Shackle Shot. Terrorize. LGD for Rosh. This is a big part of the reason why you don't see that many 20-minute torment for take-downs.
The other team has a Rosh'ing capable lineup. It's very telegraphed when you go to the torment because you hear us disappear for so long, and the other team can just take that trade.
Now, whether you think this favoris one team or the other,
if you didn't go, neither objective would have been taken, so...
Overrated snaking, but Hunk is just running in the straight line.
That's right. That's how you do it.
Wow, Divai ran in the straight line as well. Divai's like, why does it work for me?
Carmon, you just do it.
Tier 2 taken out, 6k lead for Navi, but the moment gets an Aegis now in Sumail.
It's really hard for the OG to fight though.
Their heroes just don't kill Liceyler with the exception of Windranger.
That hero is a major problem, he's way ahead of everybody else.
Might have to get creative, might have to wait for a hex.
That's far away.
Sumail doesn't even have a Q'd up, as a matter of fact he's tying up a Parasma.
Get some more damage. I do like that he's itemizing offensively though.
They catch Sumail again. Ockers, I check. Has been activated though.
Sumail, gonna get some help from his team. Definitely blasts into the Sun Strike though, that is life number one already.
I'll be burning extremely easily.
Take the win and leave.
So now the very long downtime between Roche potentially spawning.
So Navi no longer have to worry about that second life, and they still have Doom, they
didn't use much.
They're going to catch out snaking.
That is a very good steal.
They could somehow find some stray arrow here or there.
Need to key kills.
That's a good Sun Strike setup.
Yeah, if you actually hit it, just hit an arrow.
That's all you gotta do.
Let's see, Witt's obviously has the Mjolnir,
BKB's next, but very far away.
And Samel, you mentioned the Parasma, and Divy has the St. Kaya BKB.
It'll be Hex next for him, so that will give them opportunities to kill Gathadjus.
This does mean it's not going to be this ultra tanky Timbersaw that we saw from 33 yesterday.
You're fine during BKB, but afterwards you're extremely vulnerable to Invoker, to Witch Doctor.
I got the juice, check, they're not gonna hit.
Oh, this is awkward.
They needed that.
This is real awkward.
It's like P.E.O.L.A.Core is going to be the sacrifice.
Not how it was planned.
I can accept or pick it, forgot that you said notice that.
So even with the nerf, seeing it as the third item, I feel like that is not going to be
the...
It's really good against Windranger.
being able to offensively infest her.
If you do it during windrun, you outlast her, it depends on who you are.
Bad news, son.
That's respect right there. He definitely didn't need it.
But maybe Nightfall learned it from Divine. It looked like the old man.
Yeah, man. Man, everywhere he goes.
Oh, he does dodge the Sun Strike. That's because Sue Mail puts him in another hole.
The Journal Blade on top of him.
Look up, Dr. Juice wants to finish the job. The focus fire is on Dr. Juice to find his dead and the infest into Sumail.
Going into his side of the base though. Dr. Juice is fine.
This brushes it off.
Thank you for looking for an opening, but...
...they'll settle for the kill on the timber.
Good to see Naby...
...recover after that first game.
See what I was talking about in the interview just clean slate. We don't really have time to look at the replay
Let's get new heroes. We go again with Van Laundry and let's see what happens. Yeah, that was a big help
There are sunshine combo they go. Okay good save from some mail it only delayed inevitable
Close Marana midair with life stealer
He's got long arms. Yep
Wait for it. Wait for it.
Alright, what do you have to say about the Witch Doctor now?
He's owning. What can you do?
Still hasn't gotten that 10th kill. Very elusive.
I think it's understandable that I'm not too optimistic about first pick Witch Doctor with the hero's overall win rate this tournament when it gets picked with more information, but Ritty's just...
100% win rate for them though.
Yeah, he's 2-0 until this game and the lane that they had was just so easy.
I think maybe LGD are partially to blame here for not doing anything about that.
Like picking such a massively losing lane when perhaps there were other options available.
We talked about the questionable timbersaw.
Like you were already against Doom and the Witch Doctor.
You didn't know the carry match of yet.
Might have been a different option.
Riddies tanking up too low.
Gonna have to banish himself.
It starts on Riddies, but the Infest brings it back to full HP and now Sumail has to try to run away
but the depth we're doing a decent amount of damage, still maledicted by the way, and that is the depth of the mid laner
for 50 seconds, which means Navi can start hitting buildings.
I was about to say which game do you think was the better stomp, or the bigger stomp rather. It was game 1. Yeah, but Navi are
Making an argument that that was a fluke, making a case for it with this game.
Yeah, they don't need ages to go high grounds. They just need like to like suspect some buildings of Divy.
Doesn't matter where Divy is. An enemy will be on top of him.
Yeah.
Burnado and the Sun Strike. Not quite enough, Divy.
Actually, I'm going to look through this.
I say that. Watch for another Sun Strike, actually.
PMA just kills off the holocore and then his courier the top lane is not
bees and we're still a minute away from knowing when Roche will spawn okay
There.
Banish.
Snaking.
You have died.
You have died.
Snaking.
You have died.
Snaking.
You have died.
You have died.
Good effort though.
Spent some time in another realm.
Yep.
Thinking about life choices.
Got to see the world a little bit.
That's good.
I'm not sure how much you're seeing in another realm.
Got to see the outworld.
True.
Whoa, look at the group!
Hmm.
Do you think game 3 will be close?
Yeah, sometimes when we have these series where one team stomps, the other team stomps, and then they kind of figure it out,
at the same time there's also series where every game is just like, okay,
somebody in each individual game just has the right idea and gets this
uncounterable hero or this excella whatever becomes important in that set
game. It's very difficult to call in this series. I kind of have a vibe that these
two teams will not be playing a close game today but it would be interesting.
See that's a pessimistic viewpoint, Cinderella. It depends if you're a fan of the
team that wins. Probably happy to see them do well.
Can all the core, the human ward or whatever Dark Willow is?
Oh, PMA. The link's in. They're gonna get the kill on the snade. The Doom applied to Witt. He will get back to base.
So the Doom does not result in a kill, but got the juice still hitting buildings. Roche is up BT-Dubs.
No comment. I'm not going to say it. I resisted the urge this time.
Okay. Is there a male? A male, I'll have your guy check.
Got the juice.
He's got that alacrity.
If I call for Rubik and OD have an astral, it just feels like you're hearing that noise all the time.
Yes, indeed.
Whooo!
What do you think? I'll call for my astral.
Pretty good. You could be a voice actor.
Now to stop for the PMA.
There's a male already super low just getting eaten up by Dr. Juice and surely that does it.
which follows suit Gigi's call, so Navi evened it up.
Even though Invoker was super low net part of the entire, his sun strike fucked him by,
I mean, that's some of the most entertaining go-to we've seen.
He got a couple of highlights in the game that he had nothing in from the landing stage.
Yeah, I mean, what is there really to say that this was not even remotely close in a very unique game?
game. That's right, Richard, unique just like you. Thank you, dude. Yes, a very unique
game indeed, as Cinder and put it, uniquely bad if you divide. We'll talk about that,
no doubt. But I mean, I got to feel so sorry for Surveill. Yeah, he had 35 denies at like
eaten it since the game. He was destroying me. And it's not even that bad of a matchup
for Invoker. Like it was just a straight up out skill, Sumail. His laning has always been
incredible. And you know, the king is back. But he's just sitting there watching. He hears
triple kill and it's like there's only two heroes in the lane. How is it a triple kill?
Yeah, it was on a cooldown. Like they had to walk back to the lane. We talked about what
What they need to do with the heroes that they have, release some pressure from the side lanes
and then play through the mid lane, the problem was they were feeding so much that their TP's
are on cooldown constantly and I think everybody experienced this where you put yourself in
a situation where like you died, you TP and then you missed some of the timings, you don't
go for rune, you don't check the six minute rune, two supports are not playing through
the mid lane, whoever's supposed to stop, he stomped it solo pretty much, looked with
relatively early on but these these early deaths it's been way too many of those well I mean which
doctor was on what five five zero like seven minutes yeah okay I'm gonna do one more segment
where I'm negative and I'll be very awesome about ready switch doctor because he's definitely the
MVP that was giga Chad first pick yeah but god damn it you can't do this you can't feed first blood
B level three and B two zero one on Timbersaw. You can't do this. And like the thing is I'm upset for divide because I think he's a really good player when he's playing well. He's got the sauce. But it's these like oh and seven devastating losses that people.
Oh and seven. It's oh and seven. Oh as well. So basically you did not play the game like you haven't killed the hero. Yeah. There's an O there. You're kidding.
It's nothing, nothing happened. We did the disagree with the switch knocker first.
I think they also fell into a trap because we saw, again, 17 picked.
Third highest damage in the game.
Yep, because they just kept coming to his lanes like yeah, we do you have enough? No, like they just keep getting another portion after portion of beating and
Why isn't he timber chaining away? He doesn't have it. He hasn't leveled if you went through the greedy build
While being three levels below the witch doctor. It's
It's crazy. It is really crazy and
It's almost a two-greedy greedy build coming out from the vibe no timber chain on him. It's almost disrespectful
It's almost disrespectful. You can't do this boy. So the Navi are good and and they will lose game one devastatingly and they'll clap back against a team like one win, you know, they can they can do this.
So I don't care how game one went. You got to respect these guys. Are they're going to clap you. Well, yeah. And clappings occurred. I mean, we're going to take a closer look at what happens to divide.
This is the start of the nightmare, I guess. Yeah, it's been a couple of those very easy to pick and choose
For our video editor because there were so many so he couldn't like just skip couple of those because
It's just been like over and over he comes back to a lane and he just keeps dying
He could have also pulled the lane you're playing against a light stealer witch doctor as dark willow you can pull the lane
This is who hit so many of these this game. Oh, dude
Yeah, and he was on the receiving end like he looked what he was standing
He was just way too afraid to come closer knowing that the supports might come
But the supports kept showing in the side lanes and they just kept dying
This is why he got stopped by Sumail mid because he's spending so much time looking for Sun strikes
He's not even looking at his lane too much. I guess I'll deny this. I guess I'll deny that
Yeah, and ten minutes in we see the massive difference last hits
67 and
37 denies compared to only 23 last hits on Invoker, but he was still doing
Aok because he was getting some of those skills. He was getting some of the assists with the Sunstrike
He was hitting them blindly and as we said it has to feel bad
Like you have this type of a start you have no supports to play with because they're too busy on the side lanes
And then you are playing OD. This is not a playmaking mid by any means
This is like one of the
best things that I've seen in a while.
Davai, he puts the items in there,
he sees that he's gonna die to malediction,
gets fairy fire, gets raindrop,
survives because of it,
and then he gets hit by Niku's Sunstrike.
Even went into the trees by accident?
Yeah, look, they also use the scan
and then pretty much 6D chess type of a play
coming out from Niku here.
Davai even gives him respect, gives him a fit.
He was about to slam that desk.
That's the classic, but that's his whole thing.
He's got jump scare.
That was like a legit five nights at Freddy's,
like Golden Freddy, he knows, he plays these.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he loves it.
Jumping out at you and scaring the shit out.
I don't think he was angry there.
I think he was legitimately just like rattled him.
So yeah, Niku did an amazing thing.
And shout outs to Castile, of course,
our wonderful video editor who found all those clips.
Thanks for capturing that.
21 minutes as well, I think,
is the last thing we want to take a look at.
Yeah, let's take a look.
I think we wanted to look at
the first big item is
Consecrated wraps and the way
he was playing was he was just
a body for his team. He's
walking in and he was focusing
on healing, getting out as many
casts as he can off. It's an
interesting way to play the hero.
People have tried like blink
dagger ether lens to try to get
which doctor spells off because
you have to be really close to
cast them and ready solution to
Like I will just get in close and if they go on me
It's not gonna be worth it and it's really cool because a lot some cast of spells
But he's also tanking spells for his team using this network that he got we saw it on a hoodwink earlier today
And it it wasn't the losing game which doesn't really that make that much sense, but here on which doctor like he
Pretty much said let's wrap it up boys with this item. They are ready to close it out
So they did right. Yeah, they need to concentrate on the wrapping it up
I'm wrapping this segment up dude you've been out of control. We're going to break. We'll see what we can do about him
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It's game time here and I'm with days from Na'Vi and we are gonna look at some rhymes,
some riddles.
Um, any interest in rhyming?
You're a rap guy?
Uh, kind of.
Kind of?
At least we'll do a lot of rhyming.
All right, do you sing along?
All right.
Do you sing along?
Yeah, of course.
Oh, perfect, perfect.
All right, we'll be getting through this no problem then.
We are gonna show you some hints.
They are going to be rhyming, hints which refer to either a hero, an item, or a ability.
and you have to tell me which one it is.
It's as simple as that.
But if you do get stuck, which you might, you can say hint.
You have 10 of them to use up to three per question,
and they will reveal some letters for you to help you out.
If you really can't get it, you do have a skit.
Got it.
All right. You ready?
Easy. Yeah.
Easy. All right. Perfect.
Well, let's go.
His hair is long.
His hammer is mighty.
When trouble comes, you'll feel his golden, lighty.
Omni night.
Perfect. There we go.
Straight away into the next one.
When I limp into battle with a great big moan, I can double in size and take your strength
on a loan.
Who am I?
Well, it's Niko.
It is Niko indeed.
It is Undyne.
I'll give you that one for sure.
I'm the biggest guy around with the highest strength gain.
I'll throw a rock at your head if you come to my lane.
Who am I?
Rock.
I mean tiny.
Oh.
Too many letters.
You can use a hint.
Primal beast.
Yes, you are right indeed.
It is Primal Beast.
Can I use someone going into the void when they reappear two of themselves they must
avoid?
What am I?
I need a hint, yes I think you do.
Oh, this type of hint?
Yes, yes, yes.
It's not even a hint.
You got one more hint.
One more hint.
Alright.
So it might be an item, right?
Into the void, or a spell, when they reappear two of themselves they must avoid.
spell creates two of the hero.
Alright, cool, let's go by it.
When Pyke alone just isn't quite doing enough, buy a shard and escape those fights that are
tough.
So it's a spell and it is a shard spell and it helps you get away.
Shard spell helps you get away, this is a hard game.
It's a tricky one.
You've got eight hints left in one minute.
Okay, one more hint.
One more hint.
Up to three per question, do you want to use a couple more maybe?
Yes, for sure.
Alright, let's get them all out. Let's get them all out.
What?
Ah, it's Windranger's Shard, right? I mean not Shard, Windranger's.
It's not Windranger.
Well, do I lose if I'm not gonna...
I can help you a little bit, okay? It's Sniper's Shard.
Sniper's Shard, okay.
Sir.
My daughter, like...
Like something like...
I'm not cool, like I'm never playing Sniper.
of grenade, concussive grenade, let's go, next one, next one, next one. I strike foes
down with a blast from my tip, but no one seems to build me anymore. RIP. What am I?
Yeah, I'm gonna be the worst player, like the worst gamer in this type of...
You can't get it?
It's always hard.
The hint is, you've got 15 seconds, one hint.
What? D?
What item? Blast energy from the tip. Come on, you could get this day's.
Dagon, okay, Dagon.
Yes, take on him, one more, one more, four seconds, let's go. An excellent use of a thousand
gold if you want to be strong taker, so I'm hold. Awesome gold.
Yeah, we'll take it, we'll take it, that was inside, that was inside. Alright, Agra, good job.
Seems like I got the record, it's like the worst one in this game.
I think you did really well.
Looking back on disruption, how do you feel about that one?
Disruption would have been...
Yeah, this is the one you couldn't get that you had to skip when I used someone goes into the void when they reappear to themselves they must avoid.
That's a good one.
I'll take that. Yeah, yeah, I think it was tough. It was really difficult. You had some hard ones in there
But you did do well no moments. I thought you're gonna get on the roll, but in the end it wasn't quite enough
All right, well nevertheless, thanks for coming to play. Thank you. Good luck in the rest of the tournament. Thank you so much. Cheers
Welcome back we're all tied up here not literally of course
I mean the series although maybe we have to Tyler cost up, so he's not gonna bombard you with terrible buns
We're gonna get into the draft pretty quickly
So what have we learned?
first of all
Let's go with no timber on 17 in three four counters game and also doom so far today
He did win four out of four matches, so maybe give him slightly more priority
I'd be okay if we start like even first phase in this hero considering that at the start of the day
He was sitting at the 50% of the stocks definitely have risen and Jenkins back to you
I mean, especially because even in the second phase people are picking doom when they I don't know what I'm laning against
I don't know what I'm playing against they pick it, right? It's like, okay
Well, how far can you push this concept? What if you give an entire draft to play against doom and it still has impact
Then it starts feeling like one of these supports that people are early picking, you know, the morons of the world that always seem to have impact.
Yeah, I would say the only thing that I've learned in these two games is Timber still sucks ass into counters, and picking into counters is insane.
and the other thing is that I think LGD if they're if Sumail is not mad at
Divy then they're good and that's that's the question for me because you know did
they have the talk did they laugh it off I feel like laughing it off is the only
thing you can do you know where Divy owns it and he goes yeah I just fed I was
played like shit you know Lamal and then Sumail's like yeah yeah you did yeah you
did because because it's there it's in the open everybody saw it everybody knows
what happened. Yeah, some camera like we have videos of it. The question is how does he handle
those receipts being aired out like that, you know? Oh dear, I hope and they've got the receipt
for Divy. So they can get their money back? Yes. But no, I mean look those games can happen to
anybody and sure he made a bad situation worse. I gotta say, I mean it is pretty tilting as well
Well, that Neku's hitting you with those sun strikes while you promise they flies, you know?
They also didn't really have ways of setting up those sun strikes.
It's not like they had any kind of stunts.
And what do you think called for which Dr. Ben?
You want us to say it?
Yeah, go ahead.
It was a lie.
You think?
Yeah.
Or Sumel.
Or Sumel.
Yeah, I think it could have been Sumel.
Damn, the Earthspear makes it through.
Yeah, I mean Sumail has looked incredible on this hero. It is a very good
I am the best player in the game and will therefore 1v5 type hero and on top of that
With good support pairings you can run around the map terrorizing everything. It doesn't really lose lane too much
How does it play into ember?
Because by banning the witch doctor the ember is now available and I think if I remember correctly from
previous days have not be lost when they got Ember?
I think they lost once.
Like once?
With Ember?
They lost the first game against LGD.
Oh, there you go.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
And before that, I think they lost two.
They lost one to Yandex.
Yandex picked one.
And they lost three in a row against Aurora and Hukori.
With Ember.
Yeah, with Ember.
And they always banned Slark and then picked Ember.
Or they picked it in a scenario where the enemy mid was revealed.
was revealed. So, it's definitely a scenario where I think they probably will pick Ember.
And you don't need to ban Slark in this one because there is an Earth Spirit. Even though
we heard 33 as well talk about the off-lane Earth Spirit that he did play once at TI,
there is still something to it, but I don't think this is Indivis' hero pool.
Yeah. And come on, you're going to ban Ember here if you're LGD. You see Moron already.
looked and seen all of Navi's drafts where they do this exact thing I feel
like it would be quite a bold move to let it through here Marana Ember is the
I mean you may have been putting on a clinic in the mid lane maybe he wants to
make a statement you know yeah he's one two out of two lanes so far yep that's
not even a win that's just like complete complete and stomp yeah I don't
of Earthspear can do that to an Ember. I feel like that one's a pretty big wash.
Oh, they're afraid of the Ember coming, or the Huskar coming out. Interesting. Okay, there's the
dude, the priority. Yeah, that's what we like to see. So now they have something knowing that the
hero can do well no matter what you always select. It's very difficult. Like we've seen in all of
these four games that we've seen today and in the last couple of days when Doom goes in and just
uses it on one hero. It's just completely nullified. This fight is 4 versus 5 pretty much.
It's also difficult for carries and mid laners to pick their heroes knowing that this is coming,
like this is coming for you. And the longer the game goes, the more difficult it gets because
he can get Shiva's Guard, bigger AoE, AoE Doom, your Lincoln Seer doesn't work. One of the best
scaling cores in the late game, like especially once he hits that level 25. I can't believe that
That was part of his ability back in the days.
It just mutes items.
Yeah, it did not have to reduce the, you know, just to nullify the healing so you could actually get some heals going on.
That was something, but removing the item components was pretty big.
But also the break was on 25 as well.
And now you get that with the eggs, which makes it pretty crazy strong.
You got a Marana here, right?
You already have.
Sorry, Ember, Ember, Marana.
I really feel like one of the better answers to Doom,
at least in the early games,
Ember, he's really hard to get a Doom on,
perhaps with like an Urspirit silence,
so you're less confident picking it.
And maybe they wanna,
they'll probably wait to 18th pick the Ember
if they're going for it
because you know that LGD is not gonna take it
with these two heroes.
Just kidding. Oh, right.
Now with the Lena pick, I would love to see maybe a melee position for even though they do play Marana from position four and five.
So I would like to see maybe something that can make rotations to Lena's lane.
Some kind of a tusk.
I need to say it.
The day's Tusky loves to play that hero.
And now I would love to see some gap closing heroes that are good against the life stealer against Lena.
So far, Witt didn't place Sven, but that could potentially be the hero for him.
Just looking at the supports.
For LGD, it's almost always been these ranged heroes. A lot of them are taken out. Same problem as last time.
So they go, this is why we're seeing Rubik, because so many fours are getting banned.
I think Bulba even mentioned it in one of the interviews
That there just wasn't much left
the olacor I
Mean Rubik stealing Marana era. We saw the effect of that last game Rubik stealing Lena stun
That feels really good as well
And then when Navi picks the dog shit Timbersaw into the worst possible matchup. They'll have Rubik
I'm gonna I swear to God, dude. Thank you camera. I'm actually done. I'm actually done
It's such a bad timber game
What would you go for them you think in I mean the centaurs centaurs out centaur would have been sick. Yeah, so that's a no no
And they're already prepping for potential darks here. You have enchantress you have uh to them
So they go for axe. It's a vehicle for life stealer
So you have ways of insta killing pretty much any hero on the map with the blade mail
Even though it's not the best blade mail game when you think about doom
This earth spirit. I'm talking about the right click damage that you are dealing to yourself
We still don't see the carry for wits
I mean, I like this a lot because of the other heroes that you have like the Belina having some setup stun for her
She does all the damage that you need like you said the life stealer and fast bombs
Marana arrow from long range. This is a game where I would love to see
Early blink like earlier than blade mail. I guess yeah blade mail doesn't do much
I think you can get super active in this game and and punish like the doom for example
He has a really nice supporting cast around him to get a lot of kills
something that dusk looks very very juicy for Navi the ban out bounty hunter
but I have not been impressed by this hero at all you did say that they're
willing to rock Alina in a pause for and Marana in a possible so they could play
a different position of five if they feel like it I'm just thinking if there's a
better option that they could choose from from position five cool because it
doesn't seem like there is much going on and they like need I'm gonna still say
maybe something like a lion could also be good again having extra bit of a bird
damage but we haven't seen much of lion I mean axe tusk is actually a pretty good line even
though it's double melee like slowing somebody with battle hunger throwing down the shards using
the icy hands as a super effective. They can they could use Marana as well because you are
going to be playing against Enchantress in the lane. So you have the arrow against the creep
and they might run a different position five. There really aren't many left in the pool.
There's Winter Vibrant, but it's not that good against what they have. You have Spirit Vessel,
you have Doom, so you don't really get the value out of it.
I'm looking at the Riddies heroes that he's played. It feels like Marana is probably the
one for him, and they do go for the Tusk. Yeah, that makes sense to me. It's a really
good pairing with Marana too. Like if they run Tusk Marana at any lane.
Yeah, it's a very strong support duo that can get kills in any lane pretty much, playing
around the mid lane, one snowball, one shards. Not so effective against the Earth Spirit,
but it could potentially be a setup. I also want to see if these lean us, because we haven't
seen it. I want to see a point in LSA just to have that extra bit of a stun. It's a setup
for Arrow or somebody to get close for the snowball to connect. I'm still down for Sven.
I feel like they can get away with it because against Axe, it's very, very good in the game.
It's good against the lifestealer because you do farm a lot like you can't stay one item
or hop an item ahead of lifestealer in a lot of these situations because this is not the
hero that farms that quickly, especially early on.
Just looking at the picks here that are good against Axe, I see Spectre.
That's an interesting one.
It feels a bit greedy.
of them are banned. Necro would have been really good. It's good against the other heroes as well.
It's also a question of what what does wits want to play?
It's a carry doom. It's a carry doom. Okay, actually that's pretty good. This is good. It
it's a very good hero against axe and lane. I remember this is something nightfall would do.
Yes. He would play the carry the carry doom into axe. The idea is you can eat a creep if he battle
Hungers you that's not the greatest thing in the world because it's such a long cooldown to devour creep
But you can do it and the big deal is like you can run into acts with it with your W and manfight him and use
You know scorched earth and everything and you can actually kill him
All right, it's like you're not dealing that many right clicks to him
So he's not gonna spin on you too much. You just outdamage him and not regen him
So I like this a lot and then it gives them the enigma which is obviously very good against life stealer in lane
lane. Even if they, Marana or Tusk, neither of these heroes really solve the enigma right
in lane. They almost want to bring heroes to him early and kill him.
They have a lot of good tools. They have a lot of these like cheap things where Earthsford
can pull you out, Rubik with the shard later on, can whoever gets an issue, it's very good
against Axe in general. And this last pick, Enigma, they're also giving priority to DeVy
so that he can have a good lane playing against the Lifestealer,
as you said, one of the better matchups against the Lifestealer,
where you don't care too much about it.
And also, no real, like, we talk about some mid-game fights
with the Blink, BKB, and Enigma, there's nothing to stop it,
unless he, like, misplaces it,
and then Tusk finds an opening with the punch,
maybe acts with a call, but that should not happen.
That's a hard thing to do.
Yeah, so it seems like it's a relatively easy Enigma game,
very free entry to the game and also in the mid-game fights, they should do more than fine.
So I'm kind of digging this LGD's draft.
And this is probably Devise's best hero as of the last month or so, even over the Timbersaw.
I feel like he's had some crazy black goals on Enigma.
You feel that that's a factor?
Yeah, for sure.
Because I think the spectre of the last game loomed large over the whole draft of the witch, Dr. Bannon, and everything.
Absolutely, yeah.
They've sort of prioritized him, which is interesting.
Yeah, I think so. He's got to get that confidence back.
You know, show the world that he's back to Divy instead of Divy Lama.
You know, he's always proving he's grown as a man,
since of course the child that he had, it's very important.
Indeed, yeah. I thought you were...
Yeah, but also Navi, they have a very strong draft.
I want to see how much they're going to be able to get out of this X plus Tusk lane,
playing against Enchantress and playing against Doom Carry, which is a strong laner.
So with bringing out one of those, he did play it before as well.
And I want to see how that lane is going to be matched because it seems like
they also have the upper hand in that one.
All right, we'll get into the game.
Alas, Suns, Fan and Cinderren.
What do you think of this classic piece of Bulba drafting?
Now there's no storm spirit.
So are we sure Bulba has any say in the draft anymore?
It's really the question we have to ask ourselves.
I was getting to this game number three between LGD and Na'Vi.
Winner of this goes on to face extreme gaming loser into the lower bracket. Who's it going to be Cinderant?
Curse the team now. I mean this one's kind of tough to call. I really really like this last pick enigma pivot from LGD
I think it's very clever. I'm not personally the biggest fan of carry doom
But I just think the trade off here is just too good to pass up on you get to buy on his enigma
He's going to actually get to play the game this time most likely on like last game
And you got some mail onto Earth Spirit this guy
I think the difference between his void spirit game and his OD was quite stark not like he played a bad OD game
It's just maybe this team's recipe for success is
Some male playing aggressively and taking charge in the game and some heroes just lend themselves way more to that
Earth spirits one of them can make a lot of moves and he's looked good so far
And the hero is beastly. What is it 70 something percent win rate?
Yeah, I think it was 72.
Not too shabby.
Maybe it was 77, actually.
It was something really high.
And what about the Lena?
Because we've seen some Lena games
where you were not thrilled with the pick,
but mostly because it didn't mesh as well as you would
have liked with the other heroes that were picked.
This is a really good Lena draft,
if they play it correctly.
Lena is exceptionally good with Tusk.
It's a very nice pairing.
Lena wants to have a melee four that goes in
and sets her up for success.
She also has two heroes that can rotate on mid.
So if you really want to pulley some mail, this would be the game to do it.
Either Tusk and Moran can come in any spell gift since a kill.
And yeah, this major upside here, of course, Niku gets a chance now to strike back onto some mail after that game too, where he got completely shut down.
This is obviously a very Lena-favorite lane.
That's great. Being a melee hero can only dream of tying.
Here's Lena.
Yep, some mail.
Off to a pretty good start with the CS though.
Obviously very, very early on.
Yeah, the Doom is now a position one when it was originally thought to be a three of course and we've seen
This hero feels like you can play any money. We haven't been seeing support Doom at all. No, that's been a while
But I feel like this here could be played anywhere. It just feels like it's always potentially good
Because there's so many creeps now you can get that like if you're carrying and you still go for the black dragon
I suppose
I would think so. Yeah
Just the best farming creep in the game, so it should be even more important when you're playing position one
And lame probably hoping to get either the monoregion aura creep for himself and inch or the chain lightning harpy
On today's this is not all right tag team pops the fairy fire
more right click damage from snaking and this is a snaking special as well the enchantress
typically gets very far and we saw this early in the series as well where the other series
ranch was picked and owning it up with hurricane pike previous series that was baboka playing
it for extreme gaming snaking I still I believe still has if it's not the record it's probably
second of highest win streak ever on a single hero in Prodota, they've won 21 inch games
in a row with Falcons before he got stopped at some point.
I consider him an absolute master of this hero.
I think it's his best hero of all time.
So that's a good hero to have him on for a game three.
Yes indeed.
He knows the ins and outs of this and one of the things I think he does better than most
players is he's really good at getting farmed.
I think you need to recognize that Ench has timings in the game where it doesn't necessarily do as much
like it does very...
You can do early rotations through the gate with creeps and it can put pressure in lane,
but there's also a time to just move out on the enemy side of the map, start taking space away.
Every camp you farm that they don't get is like farming two camps in relative swing.
And if you die, well, they probably have to bring three or four heroes
because you've got untouchable and maxed out heal.
So it's just very oppressive when played on the map in that fashion.
He takes full advantage of it.
I will say, I feel like Navi do have good heroes against the Enchantress.
He has the magic damage from Lena obviously.
Black Stealer with Rage. Even Axe.
Is that okay?
Yeah, it's alright.
I think Marana when she gets Axe also has some serious kill threat.
A lot of magic damage.
Yeah, she can always kill the creep.
That too.
Snaking, getting on out of the tag team.
Which is gonna try to keep them at bay with his big fat body
The snowball will get right through them and that's gonna be first blood for the axe mr. PMA on the board
Going zero to one build. I haven't seen many access to this. It's mostly been either one one one or zero one two, but
Maxing out the hunger early so male this would be if they could somehow finish the job
Never gonna hit but they managed to box him out, which is already really good here
Sumail, clever play here, he picked the creep wave between the towers so his own
wave dies to set tower and this is all just a full-on loss for the Lena. She was
starting to pull ahead significantly but now this mid lane is actually getting
equalized. It should be in time to get the flag there, he will. But 18 to 2 against
26 and 8 with two more creeps coming Sumail's way, not too shabby.
Top lane devised winning, unsurprisingly. This is one of the life-sales worst lane matchups.
Enigma, you can't do anything about the Idle Ons, and his support in Riddies also can't really kill them.
So, this is why they last picked it. I recognize that.
It's good to see them have some flexibility, because last game picking Timbersaw into so many things that already sucks for him.
And then seeing it play out exactly as everyone predicted, that is a bit worrisome from a draft perspective.
But of course, a lot of these teams, very new in terms of being formed.
Now the Nala, classic snaking move through the gate.
Got the juice, is not going to be enjoying himself right now.
And he's got the Ogre creep as well, pretty damn good.
He's got the juice, but not the wave losing it fully.
Sumail, and he got on.
Not good timing there.
LSA, he probably doesn't even have it leveled actually.
DragonSlave doing quite a bit, he will walk away.
Yeah, still going for the...
Alright, when do you get LSA on this hero normally?
Um, there's sometimes you see Lina's go like 112 or 211,
but a lot of the time they just don't skill it until level 8.
Sometimes even level 10.
They're all like hard.
Not a fair fight.
Just wanted to get the room, but it is bottom, so it's a male.
We'll get the shield room.
Oh, that's a nice one.
Makes him basically unkillable mid.
Even on Niku hits level 6 the ganks are going to feel unappealing.
You saw in that previous attempt with Tusk, Sumail actually misplayed it a little bit.
He kicked him away but didn't roll fast enough, so he got stopped during the roll and in spite of that he's still going to die.
Yeah, Poppishield's in the Poppishield run now.
He's going to have so much damage, and despite all of that extra HP, he still dies.
Well, he can die if...
Cinder and Curse strikes again.
That exact spellcasting sequence does leave him vulnerable.
He didn't have the kick for the tusk, the tusk waited on the high ground and couldn't get the roll off.
So yeah, okay, he is still killable with Spelldron cooldown.
Should have maybe mentioned that's a little asterisk to save my ass against the Lawyers, but it's all good.
The Lawyers are not happy with you.
Looks like an even trade on Wisdoms here as the mid tower will inevitably fall here.
Riddies will claim that as the Marana of the trade is the top tower already being taken by the Enigma.
Now, Lifestealer getting bullied out of lane is one thing, but that Hero of Jungle is pretty damn badly compared to some of the others.
This is not going to be fast, but it is his best option so far.
Forgot the juice, but his Road to Recovery is going to take quite a while.
Very, very far behind to do him all ready by a thousand.
Good news is Axe is having a phenomenal game.
PMA is looking great in this one.
Top net worth right now.
Riddies, puts down a ward and will die for it.
Nice attempt saving the leap to try to get across, but...
Let's see if they're gonna play around some mail again.
This is a little bit reminiscent of game one, where he gets fully pardoned by the enemy supports,
but then his team brought him back in the game, and he got the solo kill too.
And he can get still run again.
So, Nanchain gonna take a Laguna though.
Will die for his efforts.
I
Said the days just walk past the room. I mean it wasn't up yet
But yeah, he walked across to try to box him out and he found a way around I guess
Smell too good the king is back as they say
You think it's a contractual obligation to say that every game it's like either we are the panel say it
Old memes never die. Where did that come from anyway his tweet
King back to mid he tweeted that when he returned to one of us has nicknamed even made the king
I don't remember that
Like Prince would have been
Because he was so young back in the day. Yeah
Just wanted to copy LeBron James. I guess you can be a king at a young age. That's true
I'm fierce as a teepee. I think even without the stun. There's no way he lives there
But he's dead.
Might as well go for the next target.
GMA would be a really good one.
He's a top network in the game right now.
Attempting to TP, but the Inferna Blade will cancel it.
Arrow dodged.
Huge.
Man, it's a big, big kill for Sumail.
He really needed that.
Now it's not looking all that bad.
He's 1,000 behind Lena, but this is a nice recovery for him
after a bad start.
Divy trying to find an angle, but it's
right on the top of a dire ward.
So this is not going to come as a surprise, but even if it doesn't
I don't still be pushing with the drum
Arrow divide side step. Oh, it's called done
And now this tower is dead
And make my special take the safe enemy safe lane tower minute seven and then take the mid tower minute ten
Not many heroes that can do this
Snaking will show up with a tomato and steal it of course snaking special. He needs more farm than everybody. I mean I need gold guys
New gold so I could be nice and fat and play in the enemy jungle
Nice try from smell but quick enough on the leaf has the illusion rune will pop his magnetize on today's
Seems a little bit like a stretch arrow hits and that should be the end of it
Not sure about that. What's in the meantime?
He's pretty low, does not have his ult for a while.
Nightmantai's still going apparently.
Alright.
Okay, let's zoom out.
We'll proc him again.
We're gonna try to get this kill on him.
Lina, it's a two versus one.
He could get a pretty low-guess the Laguna Blade.
Astumel in the tree by the arrow's not gonna hit.
More reinforcements arrive.
It's all five.
That's serious space, and they have to use infest,
and he almost killed Lina and the Marana.
That was a very strange sequence of events.
So Mel is like, we're a team?
Team?
He's definitely saying space right now.
Yeah, Mel gonna take an eternal blade.
Get off the blade, Mel.
Ten seconds undo.
Just a punch from Daze onto the Rubik.
It ends up being a very easy kill, but a black hole out of nowhere.
Arrow's gonna hit on the backside though.
Into the top of the chop, so the Vi will die. Oh, yeah, do not lean up. I think the walk that off. He's fine
He's actually gonna come back for more apparently
That feels really bad. That was your strong enigma with a good beginning keeping bottom cleaning off the decent black hole
But getting cancelled in it and dying himself
Total waste of time even getting a stack onto the axe
And the biggest winner at all of this
It's not on your screens for the last five minutes.
Mr. Lifestealer is chilling up top with the enigma leaving.
He finally gets to fully lane for a bit.
That is very good news for the juice.
2400 into his sacred relic.
Aside from the doom,
how is there lineup against Lifestealer?
I mean, obviously you have two things that go through, technically spell steal.
That's a fair point, like they actually only counter it with long cooldowns.
If those are not available, it kind of can't die.
That's not enough damage.
You have an Earth Spirit silence, so you're going to kill him that, probably.
So yeah, it's a pretty damn good life stealer game aside from those, so needs to play around it to buy.
Back up to pressuring here.
Gollum will crawl back into his cave precious and he will start farming some
hobbits is what is life stealers pretty must be sacred relic right my precious
relic yeah that's so I mean you don't build anything else feels like you can't
go the armlet desso anymore my precious quelling blade with going for
radiance as well it seems and he's 3400 in carry doom very standard probably
gonna see harpoon not do that I would imagine I'm supposed to be able to stay
on his targets you can well push out mid wave they just more like shadow not
really finding anything with it though
how's the Roche potential for LGD feels like taking it they have idle on that's
it yeah I mean chantris is good for slowing him down I guess she can tank
Their line is pretty bad, but killing it's going to be a sort of rushing that is I don't think their line of itself is bad
And neither teams go to Roshan. It's actually going to make for a pretty weird game in that sense
It's a little bit better for Navi. I don't answer the best. They're pretty good, but
It's the only thing they have
He's in enemy territory right now. He's gonna get called for his efforts.
Dars Storm as well gets dunked.
Theolokor also stuck in a corner.
Blair Witch style.
He'll actually face his enemy though and got the juice.
It's gonna give him nice injection of gold towards the sacred relic which he just about has enough for.
Yep.
So we've seen Device Blink, obviously the drum of endurance looks like Shard will come
out first for him.
And then the BKB of course.
Yeah, pretty standard.
I don't think there's anything in this game that is out of the ordinary which makes sense
because like the way these lineups interact and the heroes that they've drafted them with and against just
doesn't really offer much creativity. I mean you could potentially have gone orchid on enigma
if you wanted to get funky against lifestealer. That was one option but I don't mind this. It's
reasonable. So male with the damage rune as they are smoked up right now.
93 advantage for Navi but the network basically even. There's the Radiance for
one team. Lifestealer just a little bit behind about 650 gold. See this smoke's
not gonna reap any rewards in terms of hero kills unless Niku comes out of the
base. It's pretty telegraphed right? Like the
The idolans are pushing mid, there's a siege creep, multiple enemy heroes missing, so Navi
not going to get caught by this one.
They're going to lose their triangle area, though.
Would take away.
Niko a little bit too scared to leave this area for the time being.
But now Navi's smoking up, so if they could find a connection to Mail, it might be in
their path.
but got moonlight as well if they want to make this really difficult to deal with
and redirect a bit divide would be a good call
i would get the jump
deli core over nice block there from dais arrow also gonna hit
not to be another freebie for navi
now to slow down onto snaking call as well to bring him back into the fray but divide gets the
Malifas under PMA, now they're rolling from soon mail.
Magnetize applied, late mail already been activated as the doom is applied now to the
tusk, so that's going to be a death of the support.
Try to TP out, but you can't heal any longer, device still there.
Jumping in has the black hole, if you want to use it on the lean, it might not even need it.
Finally going to do so, no save in sight, needs to tusk it off the Laguna blade though,
so they end up getting the trade.
I've got the juice with the rage away, PMA barely living with the roll in.
Sumail. See the infest keeping PMA alive.
Finally gets the radiance.
At the end of the day, two for two. Kind of questioning PMA's choice to run down the
edge there. I think that was pretty optimistic, especially considering you already threw out
the arrow for the first kill. So if you get the call on edge, what's your follow-up and
when nobody can connect, like that's the one ability that could maybe do something, so
they end up overplaying a little bit, they bleed out their Lena, which is a pretty big
kill.
At the same time, it could have been worse, PMA himself survived on like one or two percent
HP.
And now they've got the juices radiant, this is when things start heating up in terms
of farming speed, and of course has the option to fight if he wants to, or then fast.
Some good and fast friends, Axe, of course number one, but also Tusk with a Smoke or Moonlight Shadow, could be pretty good.
And then we're going to blink North, oh do they have this reed?
The guy's already blinked. Yeah, he's dead if they see him.
Nothing to be happy with anyway, on cooldown, easy kill.
Another dunk for PMA on the Axe, and it's number three to his name.
It seems like LGD are trying to cover DaVai with theola core, but they don't know which side to cover him from, so he was blocking smokes from the right, but...
Alright.
Both radiance wielders just gonna run away from each other?
Yeah.
There's no need for hostility here.
Do not.
We all just want to farm creeps.
That's fair.
the
got to use is going for the man to build into acts
and withs it'll be a blank coming up pretty soon he's going to have to get a new creep I would assume that some point here
doesn't he does have a short circuit over the black dragon he wants
these are really any other consideration
I'm trying to think if there's some sort of cool synergy with something else with his teammates.
I mean, Time Warp Aura for Enigma.
Yeah.
A bit of a stretch, I think.
Probably just go for the dragon.
I think that's the greatest attack here, the prowler, because he's the only one really doing that much physical damage.
Spell, he might cost him, he's just stunlocked, nobody else nearby, I'm not sure what that was.
But that definitely hurts LGD.
Diolokor slowed to a crawl, and doomed, this is just a domino effect, even to my coming in, they still want to fight, despite not having their Urspir,
Rosh is going to get involved as well. Diolokor going to tick out eventually.
His PMA will survive so too dead for LGD
Honestly, if they don't drop anymore, which they will
Snaking will be the third that this was a really bad fight. I mean you lose some out surely you just exit
There are four on one and Roche gets the kill. That's uh, oh
I didn't realize that coordination. That was pretty funny
But I mean still a good sequence overall for now. They would have liked the final kill
but they'll take it. Not bad at all. Yashakai now for Niku pretty standard as well. We've seen
some Linus Rush X, I think it's mainly been Mobe. I think this build personally for me is better,
it's more stable. During all downtime it's more impact because you have move speed and you have
more, you have the value of the Kaia early. But yeah, this from Sumino. I got, you got a question
now. Like they were just not together to make that move and they end up paying the price
Witz in some really awkward in-between here. It has to do him to run and then gets tossed by Rogue
which might have actually been good for him.
Yeah, that's a pretty blink.
Oh, speaking of Witz, uh-oh, that is really bad.
It's a male.
They're trying to go in again, 4v5. This time it might just be a support trade,
Our support killer, rather, to trade for their position, one Doom, a Navi.
Again, the network lead is not anything crazy, but does feel like they're getting the better trades on a consistent basis when they fight.
I mean, they're 1k up and they're playing in scary Doom and Enigma, so these two heroes generally generate a lot of gold early.
It's a quite meaningful advantage, I would say.
It's a matter of continuing to play the map aggressively, taking advantage of combos with Axe in particular.
Axe plus Lena is a kill, Axe plus Marana is a kill, Axe plus Lifestealer probably also a kill with Infest.
So there's a lot of options as soon as you push out the waves and LGD starts splitting around the map,
if they're not together as a unit, the jumping is easily favoring your team also because you have Moonlight Shadow.
So a really big part of why Marana is rated so highly.
She's a good laner now after she got Celestial Quiver.
She has some of the highest damage in the game for any support when she gets level 20,
and has eggs.
And she has a Metroversal Old, not many of those in the game either.
So, it's a very, very powerful hero right now.
In the past, Snake King was playing this hero when I was a bad laner.
They were still picking it, the Murana that is, because they valued Moonlight Shadow so highly.
Now it's just a no-brainer.
The hero is crazy good.
I
Would you do chose it though they could have let them have the witch doctor
And then pick Marana themselves, you know they would have yeah
Can't beat that wish I mean can't can't deny the stats hundred percent win rate for Navi 28% for everybody else
Actually lower yeah
Man Ted got to be finished now forgot the juice
Yeah, there's a couple of good things to mantle up here. Malphys.
He's gonna align with Nika's BKB. Oh, actually, they're gonna have double BKB.
Lena acts, and then the life-saving mantel. This is big timing.
And on the other side, a recipe away for BKB on Sumail. And Divy, what did he just finish?
Oh, he finishes BKB now. Yes, that's good. Yep.
And a recipe away for Wix's BKB. So they can wait a bit for the two recipes.
They'll have big timing as well.
They have two black hole cancels during BKB.
They've got Punch and they've got Call.
Both of those heroes have blinks, so these are not guaranteed black holes
if the right spells are still available with Direcide.
See if Navi tries to get a fight going with this power spike.
Divy, they're actually not gonna go or they're gonna try to get aggressive before this point. This gets really offward
Yeah, Tormentor, they're gonna be really low once they kill this. Run. Run!
Faze gets it and now the jump across the mail against the three heroes, but you see the black hole hitting two cores. That is huge!
Attempted TP though from Axe. Is this gonna be successful? No.
Oh, yeah, it is for act but not for life stealer.
They only used two heroes there last time.
That could have been, even, I mean that wasn't great still.
Yeah, this is why I always knew the Heralds were right.
Just don't do Torm.
Not worth.
Sure you get the kill and you get the shard, but this is not worth it.
Like you got the shard onto the tusk, you lost two heroes, now you're going to lose
a tier one tower and all of your waves are going to get pushed.
So when you respond, you need to start out by counteracting the BAP pressure, it's not
looking all that good.
Theolicor with an interesting steal to say the least here, has Cthulhu.
Oh, he gets it off the two heroes, LSA to follow, trying to counteract it something,
Niko, but he does get off the, oh, Theolicor dead.
And PMA getting extremely low with that spirit vessel, Niko.
and an LSA to try to get some space.
Call up the last moment from PMA.
He gets fast to save him.
And now they're going to turn this around on the snaking
and said gets chopped to the ground.
So two supports dead for LGD.
And it's a male.
Getting tossed on, getting dunked on.
Three dead now, and it's not over yet.
Divy slowed up by that battle hunger.
Another LSA, and another punch for the road.
Four for nothing, Navi.
Genius play from Navi to go for the Tormentor to die
bait LGD to push mid so that they can get four kills with Black Hole on cooldown.
All of it plans to perfection. Next level plays. Yep. That's going to be a shard now for PMA.
BKB finally on WITS. This is part of the, oh let's see the replay first here, so beautiful call.
Like this call into double LSA, Laguna down, Theolacore taking him out of the fight. So
Mael tries to get the roll off, Niko blocks that. If he also hit this LSA, it would have been even
They might have killed Sumail too, but still a nice overall result from Na'Vi.
This is one of those situations. I mean, the Tormentor play made sense because they realized they were going for it.
It ended up being pretty decent, but then being out on the map when you're this close to two big items.
Yeah.
They just got the BKB on Wits after this fight, this one here. And then Sumail, he's still finishing his. He's 150 gold away.
Yeah, I agree a hundred percent. I think it's just bad judgment when you've already used your BKB black hole for the Toronto fight
You can't also you can't have it all like you chose to win that fight and take the box here one great
But then you can't just like oh, we're owning. Let's go mid two
Gotta pay your respects to what?
Opposition is able to pull off when you can connect on that tower and I agree a hundred percent like you're close to BKB
Take it easy like chill for a moment get your items wait for next black hole if you need to
It's not like now we're threatening to do Roche or anything like you can you can take take your time
So well, there's the BKB now for some
Yeah, you may infested the black hole against her targets now would be incredible for Navi, but
Let's dodge it for now although he's redirecting. Oh boy
It's gonna show himself on the way there's the call the infest bomb arrow
Goodbye some mail so much for that BKB and they're gonna steal the wisdom shrine as well
snaking on the run takes the Laguna blocked off by the shards and
dunked
And now Navi starting to gain some serious momentum
About 500 for finishing eggs on life stealer now. I love watching PMA play eggs. It's really good at this hero
Maybe his single best hero, I think?
At least, in terms of consistency I would say so.
He's just always delivering solid performances.
And in contrast to the temper saw he had in game 1, I think it's very rare that he gets
shut down and lane entirely.
Like that seems to be harder to do against his axe.
Also probably helps not playing as tough matchups as he has in the past, as he did in that game.
Is that a... that's a completed axe for... got the juice now?
Can't use that if he's doomed though.
More black hole.
That's right.
I think there's actually a case in this game to be made for maybe not buying axe for that reason and just really standing up hard.
But the flipside is if you do survive, it's huge to have.
Going again, Sumail with the call, and another death. My goodness.
He's getting everything off the map now. If I get rolled on, Tusk is very aggressive.
There's going to be more initiation coming from the axe here pretty soon.
Kill off the Rubik. I think they're going to be happy with that and back away.
The LGD seemed a bit stumped.
It's hard when your main playmaker keeps getting jumpy, like Sumail has been hard counter at this game.
Bad lane matchup, lots of rotations, Axe keeps jumping him. He is 1 and 6, a pretty rare scoreline for him.
Stark contrasts with Royce Britain game number 1.
days trying but unfortunately yeah can't touch this days is dead though
nice little d-word for radius we'll get away safely lgd they need to find
something I mean they need to be the ones to jump it's been all aggression from
Navi and now we have the smoke we have black hole doom is up see what they can
get out of it
hmm I don't know how much I like what's going she was here I think if you're
playing carry doom you have a different responsibility in terms of damage output
I'm a little bit worried for LGD going down the stretch here that if he doesn't
have any, you know, hard-hitting items, then yeah, you're gonna doom and you're gonna run
at heroes, but are they actually going to die or not?
Having something like Harpoon AC makes the hero a lot more fearsome in the head-to-head
with other heroes.
Yes, I understand you're not gonna win a Manifide Against Life Sealer, but maybe against the
other heroes you pose a lot more of a threat that way.
A little bit worried there's too much overlap here between that and Blackhole when you go
to Sheva's Cans, right?
Yeah, it's basically...
You're playing Offlane though.
Yeah, exactly.
right now. And part of what made the hero so good as a carry for a short while, when
we basically got picked overnight, we started seeing it run by, especially Nightfall, played
it the following day. He got 66 damage talent on level 15, that will not be level 20. This
Rosh is going to be scouted. It's not going to be a free one for LGD. Daze goes in with
the punch arrow coming as Wix is going to pop his PKB, but you put a better target on the dude, the Black Holon, the Tudo, these are huge kills if they can get that, they get the kill onto the axe, and the life stealer dies shortly after. What is happening right now?
Navi on the run with only two alive, the Doom applied still, the magnetized is going to tick him out eventually, and that is a huge fight for LGD. They lose their Doom, but it's for four heroes.
Yeah, that is as good as that's never going to get for LGD and I think maybe a little bit of a miss there
Tusk is going into the fight onto one target
Then you do a blink call off on the enemy high ground, but you don't see enigma
So that counterplay from device as easy as that's going to ever get in a game like this
Just wait for them to jump you away. Okay, they're gonna stack up their life stealer and their axe
Cool!
You can see that black hole, you can see the replay here, so Witt's going to get opened
on by Daze, and in the meantime, off-camera, down to the left, they're going for this
blink call play, but they only catch the only four, and I think maybe some may open.
Devion accounted for.
Easily is going to turn this fight around.
And that's all of Navi's lead gone in the blink of an eye.
They were doing so well.
of the types of mistakes that you can't afford at this level.
And the king is back, as they say.
Their rush line is pitiful, they still can't kill it.
We're going to find a tusk in the river.
Should be able to clean him up.
Well, actually the snowball was on the two eclipses nearby.
It ends up working out.
Now the infest bomb on the way.
way yeah I mean they didn't kill rush like you said so maybe see if Navi
tried themselves or if they look for a play now they know now that there's no
doom and black holes so this is what we talked about who's killing life so now
yeah I mean doom is up in 13 it's been long enough it's actually crazy it
feels like it's not been long enough for that to be ready again but it's only 50
seconds from black hole as well they are going like he's not laying for slowly
The juice in the pit, midnight pulse is going to be very annoying to deal with snaking.
Okay, there's the pump of PMA, and they're going to get to the high ground.
No, four stops away. BKB now.
They're not posing that much of a threat without the black hole, but it's still a delay tactic.
Yeah, that BKB was unnecessarily melancholy.
That beautifully pulled it back with the grip and then kicked into the left.
Divy panicked a little bit.
The juice wants to finish off this row.
Snaking's going to walk casually in the pit.
We'll dodge the LSA.
They're gonna have to go in here pretty soon if I had some black hole very shortly they're gonna be able to get the roast
Dr. Juse gets the Aegis he's doomed up so it's gonna cost them one life already
He could have EKB, he could have been in the high ground some day, he was gonna live through it though
And they go on top of Dr. Juse, can I ignore him for now? Actually no, he gets the Infernal Blade, pops the Manta
And he's surrounded, there's no teammates nearby, gets off the, oh the big call coming in from two
But the black hole at the last moment, it's time for them to catch the tanks and the toss
The toss, they've already lost two for LGD though, making all three cores dead.
Looks like the Lena will pay the price, but price was worth the admission.
It's four dead for LGD, it cost them the Aegis and three buybacks.
Oh, you're right, it is costly, but man, if that black hole somehow doesn't get cancelled,
imagine if did I had his BKB still.
Yeah.
They got cancelled by a snowball, they win that fight so hard if he still has it, but
days with a clutch counter play keeping hope alive here for Navi and what could
have been a complete travesty of a fight.
And we're back to pretty much even and now there's no ages in play so...
I keep an eye on this in the replay so first of all this is vintage snaking
inch. Just walking into the pit giving vision if I die whatever I need to set
my team up for success. They get to kill the axe, he has buyback though and connects back.
This looks so promising right now for the side of LGD and if it weren't for all these
buybacks, they would have killed. Just cleaned up really. But this moment right here, so
infest, buying time, the call, and imagine this black hole with a BKB. Like that's just
the fight is done and dusted. Niku, look like he might survive here but heads up play from
all the corkets in there steals LSA and kill them all for a trade.
Yes, it's turning out to be, you asked if this is going to be a stomp, nope.
Yep, that's right. You were right again.
Well, I don't think I said anything.
I think you said it wasn't going to be a stomp.
I was just trying to be contrarian. I guess sure, I'll take that.
Good job.
I just love to screen with you.
Do you think this is good camera work?
Yeah, this is very good.
Okay.
Is the cameraman okay?
Oh.
Everybody okay there?
Oh, Oz.
Well, it looks like we had a little bit of a lag there for like 15 seconds because somebody
was actually going to try to go for the Tormentor and the Tormentor doesn't know how to react.
Big mistake.
Crashing the servers.
Mass disconnect.
Navi had enough.
Yeah, that's right.
So who would you rather be at this stage of the game?
I mean, I would rather be Navi specifically because I feel like LGD's problem is there's
so much pressure on widths and divide to the liver in this game. If they don't get good
ulti's off, or if they somehow fail, then I just, I think the fights are going to get
really, really tough. Especially Doom itemizing like this. Damage becomes a concern. So just
to be clear. And even if you do, like, let's say we get
to 50, 60 minutes, right? Let's say you kill Lifestealer and X with a black hole. Yeah.
If they have a buyback, and there's a, let's say you're fighting over a big objective,
or you're sieging the base or whatever, you can just bring numbers that way, and then
refreshers is the only item on the radiant that allows them to go again.
There's nothing else.
It's a pretty unusual lineup in that sense.
It's very rare that the carry doesn't scale in the traditional sense.
And that's not because Doom can't do it.
It's because which chose to go for the offline build, which is good for now.
It's going to get harder and harder.
So you're going against Enigma Doom late game.
That's bold. That's bold.
Yeah, I mean, they have the same issue, right?
These heroes almost never play together.
Are you disconnected as well?
I mean, my creeps are walking in place. They're having fun.
And there's no disconnect button for me.
Nope.
What do you think about that?
I think that's a bit of a shame.
And you have to stay in lagland.
It's unfortunate.
I am getting server updates though that people are disconnecting and reconnecting.
In your game you are?
Yeah, it's just not saying that it's paused for me.
Oh yeah, you're right.
Same for me.
Elementor broke everything.
What day is today?
It's a weird one.
Is it Tuesday?
No.
That's what I was checking.
No, it's not.
Alright, they say go and ready.
Okay, I can't wait to see if my game unfreezes.
Doesn't matter though.
They're still...
I wish you guys could see my screen.
Everybody's standing in place with their attack animations going up and VFX.
They're not moving.
That's awesome.
Shard for Riddies, pretty inconsequential here.
One more leap charge.
It's one of the weaker shards for supports in my opinion.
One leap charge and some celestial quiver which becomes completely irrelevant later in the game.
Who was it between?
It was between I mean life still has the worst shard
Yeah, I think it's literally the worst shard in the game no question I think that one's gonna get reworked
It's literally just a net worth injection. That's what it is. You're gonna rework that one. It's so bad
Especially because at this point like he's never using infest on a creep anyway, so it just doesn't do anything. Yeah
So they got the 50 50 I guess
How would you do this?
Try to think of if you could redesign this idea as a shard still.
But you obviously can't say when you infest an enemy hero then this really happens because
then you have to have aggs before a shard even does anything.
Just scrap it.
Yeah.
What they were trying to do was make, uh, what's that hero from Han?
He jumps into creeps, he pops out and daggons you.
That was his whole game, gameplay.
Sounds like old school, terribly, but shadowbly daggons.
Or the nine class specialist we call it.
The armlet.
Yeah.
God, that was so funny.
That game that I forgot which tournament it was, was it at Raleigh?
Yeah, Raleigh.
He tried for like forever, but it never had.
No, it was terrible.
So funny.
Very enjoyable to watch.
Navi clinging on to a 6k lead Gabin's giving them
68% 68 really. Oh, maybe that's outdated. This might be an old graph actually that I have says it's 37 minutes minus an updating
72 to now. Yeah smoke from LGD
Yeah, see if they can get the right entry into this fight once again got a few patient with the black hole
It has to go on to the life steal event or do must connect every fight
I'll be able to not getting caught get out just fine
Days gonna get some good visions as well. Yeah, you'll see them gating now. So now you have the choice
What do you want to do?
Well, you stuck around a little bit too long
Congregations of the deep look at this pitiful doom baby. Oh, don't blackball. Don't do it
Yeah, it gets out it's it's quite telling that tusk gets to live there. Wait, how are their idol on there? Wait, what?
Malifas. Oh, right
That's the that's the short. Yeah, it's one of the best shorts in the entire game. It's so good
It's effectively a turn sure
It's almost like buying Midas on enigma, but it's good
This could be a big pick off Niku
Yeah, this is going to prompt us to counter initiation with PMA.
The AOE Doom comes out, it's on everybody right now.
Lancelot's not dealing up at all.
Now the Black Bull hitting three heroes!
That is the dream!
They're going to kill everybody!
You said they needed to land these spells.
Well, they landed that shit out of it there.
Yeah.
Not wrong about that.
Day's still alive somehow, not for long though.
That's a full team wipe for LGD.
And what can they do with it?
I mean, you've got to continue yourself with it there if you're a Na'Vi too.
You get the opener and then you're kind of just stacking all your heroes on top of each other.
Like, what did you... what's going to happen?
Oh, what a sick setup, though.
Maybe the AoE Doom caught them by surprise.
I think that was the reveal of it.
Yeah.
So, you give them... cut them a bit of slack on that, but...
And even afterwards, right, they're AoE doomed and they were still...
They have like a good two or three seconds to spread out.
You can see the replay here, Niko obviously being the opener.
Not the ideal way to start this fight, but they get the call of Simeon, they blow him up pretty shortly after.
But this Niko walking... I mean, it is also just a beautiful angle to be fair, it's really nice.
Yeah, I don't know. That's a bit of Call of A&B, that was a great play.
And a little bit of a mistake at the same time.
And I'm being a 5 for 2 here with days coming in and trading.
So how much are they gonna get out of this team wipe?
They get the tier 3.
We're going to get this set for sure.
How much can they put into this second set of barracks before people are up?
I think they get two sets here.
There's no buybacks other than the life stealer who obviously will not expend it here.
This is the thing about a Nigma Shard, right?
You pay 1,400 gold, it gives you four Idle Ones on your Malifests if it goes full duration.
And those Idle Ones are still just push and split.
And then you also already have your Demonic Conversion, so super, super strong shard.
And the reason it works like a mitis when you're jungling, you can just maliface a creep
in a camp and then you have so many, I launched this farm way faster, push lanes faster.
So, very effective.
By showing up.
Yep.
They picked this enigma for a reason, he has to hit these and he did.
Two sets of barracks now for LGD.
I imagine the win expecting to swung slightly there.
Just a little bit.
Maybe.
A smidgen.
Alright, infest bomb with PMA as the initiator.
Who are you hoping to find? Doom would probably not be that bad of a target, but Witt's is
Sniffing it out. I say that he went far left.
Oh, there's the call.
He's on the wrong side of the tree though, but they do get the arrow.
And that should be a kill. It was enough.
Hundred seconds for Witt's on the sideline. Two minutes until Roche is up though.
So he'll be back for that, so maybe Navi a little bit unlucky in that aspect?
Yeah.
Let's turn it to one of hell of a game number three.
Number one of this face is off against Extreme, loser into the lower bracket.
Got the juice.
There is Black Hole, but I don't think you can do this without him.
But they do have a lot of damage apparently. Nobody to save them, so just like that, got the juice, is turned into juice.
As days with the BKB in retreat, little drinking buddies. That's a lot of damage on the impetus.
And he's gonna take out eventually to that magnetize. They're not done yet apparently. This is without a doom.
That's your carry, by the way. Three kills.
That's unacceptable in a 5v4 situation, surely. Right? The enemy carry is dead, you leave Lifestealer on an island, he just doesn't think he can die.
He gets jumped and effectively just solo black hold and that is good enough. LGD also credit to them for going for that, right? Like, you're...
Yeah, I was skeptical.
It takes some balls to take that chance and pace off in a big way. Going for it, got the juice there.
Snaking. Is this just AC? Are you kidding me?
Classic snaking inventory on Edge.
he does a lot of damage even as a flares boda he's not that far from BKB now yeah
so he's basically turned into another core that's good we talked about how
maybe they're lacking a little bit in the single target damage department with
this doom build well not a concern if edge can just kill the heroes with their
doomed that's true closest widths to 25 quite some ways to go no he has it never
mind it's on my game is still bugged so for me he's level 22 yeah we can't see
any of the items the server had to pick on.
Okay, this is now just going to get the pullback on his day.
He's going to jump right in onto Niku.
The Eon just procs already and now Wittz goes in,
but the BKB is still locked, so he can't get the stun connection.
Dubai looking for a potential opening will have to back away though.
Yeah, you're going to live with your disc BKB, but was that really...
How much time did you buy?
Maybe you had to do that, actually.
They're going to get the range barracks via these Eidolons,
So just a single melee barracks between mega creeps.
I don't know what the other thing would be.
LGD.
And LGD.
Sure.
Yeah, that was, maybe that was actually necessary
from Niku.
I didn't realize they were pushing that fast.
If he doesn't go for that play
and essentially take attention for five seconds,
maybe they have the megas.
If LGD get this rush,
the game is pretty much gone in dust at Niku.
They spot him.
It's extremely fast.
Select some males gonna do this. He's gonna try.
Niku's a lot faster though. Forces out the BKB.
Reinforcements aren't trying to come. Magnetized right on top of him. No more BKB for him.
Another roll. Not gonna fully hit him down the infest onto Niku.
Guess we'll do the blade off though.
LSA stolen by Theolokor.
Doesn't look like they can finish the job.
Actually got out of that. That is crazy.
Now magnetized down for a full minute.
It has arguably the best 25 talent in the game for some mail. It's very very good
Taking enemy outpost control as a divine rapier now. All right all in or Niko rape your Daedalus
Getting like a truck with this right click Lena, but doesn't matter how much damage you have when you're caught in a black hole
Indeed, so cannot afford that.
You saw this disc for that.
Oh, they're just gonna get this off?
And they have to push out the lane so it is hard to defend, but this feels like it's just a matter of time, man.
And this is pathetic.
At 47 minutes.
Navi has so much time to come down here.
Look at this!
They're smoking, so they are on the way, but I think they will finish the Roshan time.
As the Aidolon's helping out great.
Loosing the race through a snail, Navi.
The ages for Whits, and they're gonna get a lot of goodies.
Navi's still gonna try to fight though.
Yeah, Hail Mary.
Whits is gonna get opened up on it again.
As that ages, pops the Shiva's.
Congregations of the deep.
Looking for the potential connection now.
Onto PMA gets the call, it's a single of Euros.
You can see the buy.
Ready to go.
Sumail jumping in on Daystil.
That became the active, snaking.
That is not the target you wanna go for.
Right when it's down from Dr. Juicy,
gets the infest off onto Sumail.
He's in no-man's line right now, thought he'd be there, the black boat's on the 2, tough fight, and Stalker's not gonna have it!
Now to 80 we doom, Lina had a lot of trouble!
Has a load of supply, continue to right-click and Sumail is just getting shredded!
Nice job with the positioning, but they do kill Akniku in the end!
And the Divine Rapier on the deck, picked up by Wittz, and that should surely do that.
I mean, there are several heroes dead, though, but they should be able to get these Megas.
Yeah, they can buy back to defend this, and probably LGD will choose not to.
Yeah, that was just some serious standing and believing. Look at the damage from Enge there, 3.6k on the out of snaking as well.
So yes, you do get...you killed the Enigma pretty fast with the Lena rapier outside the black hole, but the damage was already done when Lysula died.
Bye, found what he needed to.
Snaking.
Much faster than taking the Barracks that rose.
There's one buyback, snaking the back away, and there's a fest on days, so LGD will reset,
and how close are we?
Interesting that Divide has not opted for a refresher at this point, I mean, was that
third rush or not?
I think so.
It's one it was, where's the second one?
Maybe a second actually.
This is such a long fight and so awkward too, like this missed arrow from Riddies really
sucks because you had two chain stuns coming in, Lifestealer opens up on snaking which
is hopeless, he redirects over, then he has to infest because his rage is running out,
he's kind of just surviving for the time being and then Kvai just waits, he's like, okay.
Yeah, he's been on point.
He gets shredded by the Lena but it kills everybody else.
Yeah, it's good enough.
Look at it, look at it, let's just go to town here, by the way.
is more or less soloing the lean-on and Sumail almost lived through that too super super close
so we get back into live and it's not an easy kill snaking eats a lotus he is so hard to kill
right now infest on top of him finally they bring him down as the infest stolen from rubik
Sudo safe now, yeah
Look at that from got the juice it's buying the blink on my sling on your computer center our computers
Don't work. That's right
He's muscle man
Blink on life stealer though, and we're looking at items for like 30 minutes ago like why do they not have?
But life still has a dagger, so he's going to be
looking for any opportunity he can to not get black hole or to get the jump like
this is it's pretty simple what it comes down to if they kill enigma first I
think they win the fight they don't and they get kind of and they lose if they
use all their life stealer abilities trying to go on other heroes and not
killing them then the black holes just the the finisher you've got to gotta be
be real careful here well now octarene for divide if he sees the enigma for even a moment
he can just blink infested actually and that would be a pretty interesting way to start
the fight because then he can abyssal him after and maybe you build something around
Yeah, potentially.
It's a little different.
Yeah, 90% less.
10 minutes have been a whirlwind.
Nothing short of a catastrophe for Navi in a game that they were statistically favored in.
I mean, whatever rain of salt you want to take it with, I do agree that they were in a winning position.
But big plays with the two black holes between black hole and doomhole.
You know LGD smoked up looking to finish this game not many buybacks remaining if any for Navi
Gotta keep these lanes pushed out constantly though
I mean how good is doom or divine on doom would you say?
We don't really have I mean
Would you want it on like inch the spell amp for I guess yeah, that's true. It's best on inch here
She's way most she's the most tax good in our team. I think she's pretty hard to kill. Yep
All right, Roche banner available snaking it's in his backpack though
There's two CG you think you'd want to place it here. Yeah, sure
Still in his back. We're not
Lotus can take a little goon up to the face double battle under as well
Well, it's so fun to watch Snake and Clay Ench in these situations, because if he's
other heroes, he's just so egregiously out of position.
Yeah.
But, I mean, the melee barracks is already almost there.
Finally, the Roche banner comes out.
I should have just reached on it.
All right.
Well, I'm almost done now.
I mean, he can just finish this himself, Snakey.
okay mega creeps all right I mean are they cool I would ask you for close to
anything that makes a difference from Navi but you can't click on anything
nope well Lena's getting rapier again okay 2k away from that one so not close
and the other heroes don't really have an opinion right now about whether
they're close to anything. Acts with 5k. I mean what could act by, I mean,
refresher, I suppose? I mean that's still 1500 away as well.
It's nothing really. That's what you want. You want these items to deal with the
black hole. You want discs, you want the wind wakers, but it's too little, too late
at this point now the mega creeps have reached the base so lgd i mean if they
want to play this extremely safe they can just wait till next roach it's a
minute and a half potentially spawning
okay just making a shift yes he's going to take an arrow he's taking a lot of
damage and he says not enough to save so he does fall and it's a male using that
magnetized. This is not exactly as designed by LGD, I'm sure. The end is
going to prop from PMA, they get the taunt on device, it's off the black hole, on to
two, make it three, and they all walk into it apparently. My goodness, the buyback's
coming out full force from Navi, but Life Stealer does not have it. And now the
pressure on two, two male, gets telekinesis, but chopped to the ground,
Wits looking for an opening. You see the impetus going to work on the PMA. They're just going to call it as LGD.
Win this series in three games and it was an exciting game number three.
What a sad last fight for Nami. The Life Sealer tries to walk up behind Enigma to cancel the Black Hole and then he
just gets sucked in because Enigma has Shivas. Oh man. I guess this blink must have been on cooldown or he could have maybe blinked
I think you can definitely abyssal behind the uh, I'm sure this is wonderful to watch for the audience. All right, here we go
Yep, it's got to feel real good for LGD. Top six secured
You knocked down a team that was three and one in the Swiss and you did it with a rather
Uncharacteristic lineup between doom and enigma. So good stuff device back
Let's not go too fast and no but a good game from him and a good game from LGD
And Navi are probably going to be feeling a bit sore about that one.
They were in that game for a period of time.
Oh, it has to feel bad, man.
I feel like Navi is always in this kind of situation.
This time around, they get to the playoffs.
They lose that first B03.
There is a second life in the lower bracket.
But a lot of the times, they will lose the second one as well.
It's just the same story.
They were so close in this game.
The Y managed to pull it back with some insane black holes.
And a night and day difference,
what he was able to do in that game, too.
I don't think we can even say that he played him or so because he was a 0 7 and 0 and in this one
He completely nailed it every single black hole on point three four man black holes even yeah
And we're in the playoffs now. So this matters a lot whether a team can we talk about the word resilience all the time
right this is what it takes to not just make it to the playoffs in a tournament but to actually
Win it and to have a game that quite frankly was embarrassing for divide and for Sumo
He had some insane performance, and they can just mentally reset, they're cool, it happened, laugh it off, go into this game, they trust him with the last pick enigma.
They have their 17 year old genius up and comer playing Doom, so that way Divy can get his enigma.
And guess what, he takes all of that pressure on his shoulders, and he absolutely delivers.
This guy is so good at hitting those clutch block holes.
It is insane. You watch other enigmas and you think I wish it was the vibe
Yeah, also what gives me hope coming further into the tournament is
him having such a
Such a weird game too where I think a lot of players would not be able to recover
But he manages to do so in such a massive style also kudos to
ISM Bulba or whoever made that call that they're gonna be playing this doom in the safe lane
throw this enigma to the off lane against their lifestealer where he's getting quite a lot and seeing that they have no abilities that go through
debuff immunity so kind of free enigma game in a way where if he gets to a point to land that black hole and I think
having two melee heroes who run in and who create a lot of chaos like doom and earth spirit
Does give the vibe just enough time to land these perfect black holes certainly helps as well when
Snaking just turns into a core. Yeah, yeah, that's also the
the kind of having a position five seeding the high ground getting the mega creeps as well and also
dishing insane amount of damage in every single team fight going for ac we were like watching the
game it's like what is that attack speed does he have moonshard now it's just the casual hyperstone
that he turned into ac for the rest of the team and it just fell yeah there's the look of that
graph wow yeah i mean when i said they were in it i didn't even realize it was that much actually
Yeah, I mean LGD had it or not Navi had it and LGD was just able to bring it back with the the clutch plays and
They picked to clutch which I think is really cool
It takes it takes a lot of confidence in your team to to do this and especially after game 2 and how bad that went
The recovery is what I find to be the most impressive even in that like
like big blockhole by the portal,
Divy Shadowblade did it.
That was the Shadowblade reveal.
And I think that was also the Doom Agathem Sector reveal.
That was a very important fight.
And it was very different from how he clutched
all of the other team fights,
which I think is really cool.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, he was very, very patient.
And we got to give him credit
because he just completely nailed it.
And we talk about Timbersaw being his most played hero.
And then this comes through.
also a lot of these fights where you have a lot of damage on the ground. You have earth spirit, you have
doom coming in with the radiance, AOE doom on top of that, midnight poles, all these like percentage
based damage and fighting in these smaller areas in the map, especially the one in the triangle.
It's just way too difficult and if you get caught inside of that, you're just dead.
Well, we can talk to the man of the moment, Davai is with Nomad right now.
That alone, Mr. Devine, first of all congratulations on that series, any doubts at all in that
game three, because you were a little bit behind at one point.
No doubts, you know, at that point we were just locked in.
I think we realized we were a bit behind maybe, but you don't really think about that when
you're locked in, you just focus on finishing your items and winning the next fight.
And is that what it's all about, hitting those timings, you know, you knew that when
you got to that certain point in the game the black holes are just going to change everything
yeah and it must be nice to have the support of your team behind you i mean even moving the enigma
and the doom around where the doom was initially i imagine picked sort of as a as an off laner like
it was in game one but then switching it up what was the communication like they're in the draft
um probably just a little bit for enigma but it was okay to play the doom and he he played
pretty good do about what's saying so he can be proud can the approval himself to be very adaptable
and i wanted to ask like a sort of broader picture about this team what direction do you feel like
you guys are moving towards you know what style of though do you think is suiting this team at the
moment i think it's hard to say because it's a bit of a max like me and sumail i still have like
like the habits from Nygma, right?
The snaking has his complete, has his Falcons vision of the game and then he has his vision
from LGD and which just, he played on other South America teams so it's honestly too early
to say.
I think right now we're just focusing on, you know, playing individually well, laning
well and so I think it's totally to look beyond that.
Well, it's certainly working for you.
Now, do you hate to bring it up but that game too is pretty tough for you.
I mean, what was going through your head in that game when you're really starting to struggle?
And how did you recover afterwards as well?
I mean, in the end, I definitely misplayed, but there were also some things that were just up to faith.
Like the Wildering Ripper, like, hurricane me into the witch doctor.
He killed me once.
He got like a super lucky Sun Strike twice in the base.
You know, that's dying three times like that.
It's like, you know, at that point, it's like, all right, whatever.
This is just like some curse game, you know, like, it's fine.
This is just the challenge, you know, to see how well I can reset from this.
So, yeah, I tried to reset, but I did a pretty good job in Game 3.
For sure, just go next. And you certainly did an amazing job in that Game 3 for sure.
I mean, people will fear your enigma. Absolutely.
Someone else that showed up in Game 3 as well. I mean, everybody did, but snaking on this enchantress.
Was it always a plan for snaking to sort of come through and be that right clicker to sieve the base with this AC?
I think it just happens when the game goes late on edge.
I mean, he doesn't say, like, oh, guys, away from my league
and I'll be super strong.
It just kind of happens.
You know, he knows the hero so well,
so he'll always scale in it.
Absolutely.
Well, congratulations on this.
When I'm looking forward to seeing you play more in Wacky
and good luck in your series tomorrow,
that'll be a fun one to watch.
Thank you.
See you guys tomorrow.
We will.
Yeah, so I mean, look, I'm able to reset.
A little bit of code going on.
They weren't looking some strikes, bro.
Like, whatever.
I mean like just whatever you have to say to get yourself into that game three and of course with his t-shirt
He did prove that it lives with inside you two wolves. Yeah, they're two
The other is the enigma from it. Yeah, absolutely. I mean he's right in calling it cursed
I think like unlucky is one of these ideas as well that you've seen in like these top level pros where they just go
Yeah, that was unlucky and it's just it's a way of coping so you can move on to the next one because sometimes that's the best thing to do
Yeah, it's a defensive mechanism that we all do in real life as well
But I also like the way they describe the you know different ideas that did happen coming from different teams
So there's something that they still need to polish but the team that is very very good to watch and because it's super fun
All right. Well, our thoughts are with no means well
We hope that young team don't have that lost too hard and can bounce back in that lower bracket
It will have a second life. That's it from the morning crew
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We're going to put in Sheba, Tegu, and Kezu,
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What is that? Poetry, riddles.
Riddles? Yeah.
I think I've never played it before.
Okay, alright, brilliant. This is going to go really, really well then. I'm excited for this.
Oh my god.
Basically, I'm going to read you a little rhyme. Okay, a couple of sentences. It's going
to relate to either a hero or an item in Dota 2.
Oh, and you need to tell me what it is. If you get stuck then do not worry because we're gonna give you some letters to help you out
Okay, so if you need help just say hint and we'll give you a hint if you really can't get it
You will get one skip through the entire thing. So use it wisely on your wife
I know only once only one skip you get ten hints for one skip. Okay, okay?
Thanks. All right, let's go. All right, let's get into it. Here's your first riddle
It's built into yules and solo crests for early game speed. It's simply the best
Willis
It's absolutely correct. No, you're not absolutely correct is indeed win lace. Let's go
You'll know my name if you've read Shakespeare. I dance around fights with my ethereal sphere
Who am I what the hell is Shakespeare?
What the fuck is that?
Would you like a hint?
Give me a second. Let me think. Yep. Who am I?
Okay, so this is a hero or it can be an item or it can be a hero. Yeah, it's an item right here, right?
One minute forty-five. Okay, it's Mars for sure. Mars? Yes, yeah. That is not correct. No. Oh my god.
I can base it by the spear.
Yeah, that's alright.
That's alright.
Let's go for the next one.
I'm the biggest guy around with the highest strength gain.
I'll throw a rock at your head if you come to my lane.
Tiny?
Wait, wait, wait.
Look at the letters.
How can it be tiny?
Okay, I need a hint.
You need a hint?
Alright, let's give it to him.
You get a B. Does this help you at all?
Bristub.
No, it would be a lot more Bs, my friend.
play this hero. I play this hero. Yeah. Yeah. Primal Beast. Hey, there we go. Yes, indeed.
That is Primal Beast. Let's go for the next one. A minute left. We've got to this item
closes that gap between those you hate used by fishermen of old to put big fish on your
plate. Half of them. Very good. Yes. Half boom. Straight away. Excellent. Now we're into
it. Let's go. Next one. I strike foes down with a blast from my tip, but no one seems
to build me anymore rip what am i okay this sounds like an item but yeah yeah good start
last quickly do you want some hit you've got no hint hint hint oh that one that one excellent
yes let's go next one i've arranged support with a big long stun i'm a fan of the moon
definitely not the sun who am I one I hint hint yeah that's it use those
hints use those hints mirana yes exactly right good job let's go for the
next one we got 10 seconds left this item based on the king that wanted too
much famous for his greed and his desire to touch what am I okay hint okay no
way of no time come on you can do it all the kids all the kids all the kids all
that I don't even know what is this you don't know what it is let's have a look
at it see what you missed out on it is hand oh my god minus that's all right
That was a tough one, but you did pretty well there.
You got a pretty decent score.
Really?
Yeah, I think so.
I think you got about five or six.
And it looks sucks.
Listen, I think you did pretty damn well.
But either way, are you going to go home and write
some poetry now?
Are you inspired?
I mean, OK, so I watched similar video before,
and I thought it was easy.
But if you play by yourself, it's kind of hard.
Yeah, yeah.
It can be tough.
It can be tough.
When I look at the video, I was thinking, oh, why
this guy's so stupid?
It's obviously easy.
I think that's pretty damn good. I think that's going to be a tough school to beat. Okay, so well done. Yes. Good job. Thank you. Thank you
Yeah, he's got a great score there for sure
Let's see if we can get a great score today as well as we're here for the second half of the day
So we're still in the upper bracket
Everything's nice. Nobody's getting eliminated and we got two series to take you through today
I'm your host Chiefer for that one, and I am joined by Kezu and Tegh of Kezu. Welcome back to the afternoon
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It's true. Richard was starting to annoy me by continuously talking about Pokemon, Pokemon, Pokemon when we were here.
But now it's a welcome back brother. We missed you.
Exactly. We're in the Dota Dota Dota Dota. So we're back.
We're back and we're going to dive straight into it because we do have two series waiting and two teams actually already waiting to go pretty soon.
So we're going to focus our attention first on Aurora.
Aurora has had a little bit of a rocky road, I'd say, TGov, maybe not completely unexpected with the roster change and the stand-in as well.
the players. They're not
confident in the stand and as
well, but they made it to the
playoffs anyway. No, they did,
and I think they have found
their form based on, of course,
skinny is here. Pull what he
wants to play and store. He's
just getting so much more
confident in the mid lane. I
think the first couple days
Stoica was like, Oh, I've not
been on land for so long, but
I'm an online player, and then
it's like, wait a second. I can
be here. I can belong. So I
think story comes just getting
so much more confident and. Yeah,
like I said, Skidder finding
his groove. Yeah. And with that
players who should not lack any confidence whatsoever, Kazim.
No, absolutely not. Especially if you look at Mira and Skeeter, they're both their two-time TI champions.
I don't even remember if we've ever had it, but you have, first of all, double TI winners, you don't have many of those.
Now them doing it in different teams and then combining their overall skill and knowledge, first of all, that never happens.
And at the same time, I think they're two of the most underrated TI winners.
People are always like, no, Skeeter, whatever, he's in Falcons' place, a couple of heroes.
Whoever talks about Mira, like I always hear people, he's just like, this guy's a normal player.
I don't think Mira's a normal player at all. This guy's good. Yeah. So put some respect on their names.
Yeah, it's showing too when he has the heroes that he wanted in a game that looks good. He looks amazing.
And I think that is the consistency that we're looking for for Mira in that sense.
For Aurora as well, they also want to play the macro game very well.
They want to make sure that they are maybe abusing some vision there.
Oh, yeah, like he also he talked about, you know, Mr. Stojkovich. I think he's looking a lot better
But I also like the kind of pairings they go for you see a lot of Nick Selena Nick storms first
So like a lot of map and like picking you off and even in other games right there's a night stalker like in Marana
So they definitely are looking for you know
Just making it a little bit easier to see you and play the map and I think that Stojkovich with his heroes
He's flooding in very well
They're just explosive and when they enter the mid game like all these heroes that you look like if they ever get that
that initial initiation, they will get a kill, they will have number advantage, and they'll
try and take the fight after. It is just scary, the type of draft that they have once they
get into the mid game.
And in the top eight, it is game religion that will be playing here, and that doesn't
happen very often, so we have to put some extra spotlight on them and their performance.
And maybe in particular, two players that have been playing pretty darn well, I'm talking
about RCY and I'm talking about Fade.
Yeah, they've got some pretty nasty heroes that I think you need to put some respect
on.
You know, it's not that often you do see game religion in the playoffs, but most importantly
to me is kind of the OD, like, they've picked it every time they were able to, and the only
times they didn't pick it, it was banned in every single game.
And RCY, he has a different take on this here, he doesn't go meteor hammer, he goes Yasha
Kaia into pike, and Fade as well on his brewmaster, he just completely snaps us in two games,
And then the RCI Invoker, you've got to respect these guys.
For sure.
They are the type of players that are, you know, when you think about the North American
region, they are the two players, like, you know, they're the, you know, carrying it to
some degree that the new players on the block, they're the ones going to try and push their,
the boundaries on their heroes.
And I don't mind them.
I think they just need to be elevated.
Honestly, the thing is, well, it's like, if game 8 League was ever to expand, I am excited
to see where RCI and Fade go.
Because they are, like I said, they are the two players, I'm always just like, oh, wow,
are like the guys from the region but they're not expanding of course they are in the playoffs so
keep it up lads. Yep and they are doing well let's see how well they do here as we are in the drafts
of game one of this best of three we have Aurora on the radiant side gamer legion on the dire side
first pick going the way of gamer legion who is waiting for the last two bands to come in from
Aurora before they pick what they want nothing too unusual so far anything in particular we
we should keep our eye on in terms of that opening phase picks or bans related?
Overall, just for game relation, I would be a bit surprised if Aurora leave the OD and
the Invoker's very open. Obviously, you can create a plan. Picking these heroes on your
very first pick of the draft is not super common. Maybe they do go for it because they
do love them, but I would expect Aurora, you need to have a plan for those.
Realistically, on first pick, I think they're just going to open up with Bigham's hero pool.
It'll be the Willow, the Bounty. Of course Bounty is already banned out by Aurora, but I feel like Game Legion, one first pick, they're slower to enter the draft compared to other people, like they just like throwing one support into the draft and going, yep, let's see what happens.
A couple days ago when we came into the tournament, it was Darkseer that was the hot and happening and his win rate is abysmal so far here at Malachi.
He's also kind of disappeared from those opening bands and disappeared from a lot of the games.
What's the deal with that hero? Because I believe it's still good. Why isn't it that good?
It is still, I think, a very good hero. It feels maybe like a tasteful second-phase hero,
where you see two, three things, maybe like a weak position five, a carry that you want to clone through the wall.
Then you want to go for it. But the main problem we've had in this tournament is people have defaulted the helm of Dull into Sheevers
and they keep trying to play this type of dota when you can go hemodon loaders, hemodon pilot.
You can do anything you want on the hero, but I think it's like pub meta and concepts really made the hero feel a little weaker because people just copy pasted.
It must also help that during TI the hero was picked a lot.
You know, you had a couple of weeks, people loved the MMR.
So when you watch TI and you go into your pubs, you have every secondary off and you're spam clicking, Darkseer and playing it.
So you just see it in like every pub and like, you know, starting with the trial in and killing him first and getting better at like what picks you want stuff like that matters a lot.
Also, I was incredibly wrong. I said they're going to slow into the draft of some casual big man.
Like a willow and I was like, boom.
Because the other thing is like when you think of fate, you need to think about as enigma.
I didn't put it on my graphic because it's banned every time people play against them.
But now it kind of slipped through.
I mean it slipped through for a reason because I think first of all maybe you're right doesn't think they're gonna first pick it
And that's good as heropool. He doesn't want to play into enigma half the time
But he doesn't want to pick his you know laundry into it profits win ranges like is he gonna be forced into an elk game?
Probably like yeah likely maybe there's the tiny as well that could be an option is gyrocopter dead
No, I think okay. Yeah, sorry. Let's guess it's dead. Okay, but it could be resuscitated
You know, like, it's like on its last breath.
I think some of the South American teams earlier in the tournament have played
Gyaracopter. They're not here anymore.
So maybe that's not the best argument, but they're realistically into Enigma.
It's at the moment, it's like tiny out.
Sven is fine.
Sven, yeah. And then you don't see the, I mean, I love the era like a year and a half ago,
where it was like Dawn, Conquer, Gyarra.
Like those three were like the big ones, but I've seen none of them are played in
And we saw in the previous game, and it didn't really work out the way they wanted to, it looked hype though.
Arubic, of course, is the steal, is that something for Aurora? We should keep our eye on steal.
Is that, is that ban worthy? We see Gamer Legion take a lot of time to ban out the Lina in this phase.
Yeah, I guess that's just going off like the overall like more map play heroes, right, with the Lina and the Ember.
Obviously like the Storm is still available. Also, Aurora are the only team I think that have won with this hero.
with this hero because Storm has also looked like absolute shit, if I'm going to be honest,
he's like one in eight. But Rubik is, it's always possible. It's looked good in a couple
of the games. It's not like the counter to Enigma. I think that sometimes people believe
it is, but it's good.
Yeah. I mean, I think Aurora, they have so many options in the, in the four role. They
can still go for the next if they want to because the carapace into Enigma is still
then sets up Stoke of the play or something. Whilst Wyvern is quite a reactive support,
having a really kind of polar opposite in the four role helps just kind of cushion the
style of play. I mean there's still Marana as well if you want to just go on. There's
like so many options. I think you know supports are actually just in a really good spot at the moment.
Ever since Tree got nerfed to oblivion they're like wow there's so many things.
Three in a second all those heroes. Yeah Tree was always banned but alas.
Well let's take a look because none of the heroes that we really talked about that could
potentially counter Mr. Nygma got banned out so all of them are left into the pool and that means
We're gonna get a little bit of a closer look into what Aurora thinks is the best to deal with the Enigma
and they start off simple without giving anything away with the hoodwing.
It actually don't care about the Enigma in reality.
It's just like, one of the ways to do it with Enigma is just respecting his timings.
And like early on it's like, have Eidolon's play on Catapult Wave, try to take tower.
So you either can bring a really strong roaming support into that lane, you try lane him, you get a couple kills.
And now it's like the Enigma has like blink drum, no towers taken.
You can't really find black holes because the enemy already has gold. It feels a bit awkward.
I think the Vite nearly whooped into that in the previous game, but then he recovered beautifully and obviously they clutched up.
It's just good, I think also, I would like Aurora to think about the fact that the problem with Vindigama is that it's not that easy to shut this hero down.
I think there's also reason Gamer Legion didn't try to bust out multiple bans on the carries.
I think the Tiny, Sven, Alchemist, they're all somewhat similar. I don't think banning two out of the three really accomplishes that much.
And if you're a Rora, I think just try to think about the fact that you want to play towards this enigma if you can,
like later on after like minute 5-6, it will be super good to slow this hero down.
Now we finally see the enigma, well, just took a minute, a little bit of time.
Just had to get there.
I mean, it wasn't targeted. This is, I mean, okay, if you take the enigma away, that's like, it could be any team.
Yes, ever. It's in this entire tournament.
These four heroes, I mean, again, ignoring enigma. It's like, yeah, the most common ones I would say,
especially in the research of the drafts because they fit in any style the Dota boss currently doing the drafting not the teams
There we go a little bit more flair out of to the mix with the brewmaster coming out
I mean brewmaster again it rises in stock because of the supports we are seeing but if you're leaning into the
Wyverns the marauders the hoodwinks like Brutus sits there and goes like what are you really doing to me?
But you might bring like take like 10% of my life 20% of my life. So then I bring back a salvo my courier
I'm full HP again. I don't care and yeah, I think WS and these other offlaners will get to utilize three to its
Yeah, I think also that this double pick is quite good. Obviously we had already touched on the Sven
It's like quite normal. I think to understand it's good against Enigma
But Brumester counters or like covers him for like a lot of the matchups
Obviously Sven is in general good against most illusion heroes, but not against TB and that's a hero that you could be thinking about
You know against the Sven, but then that one's kind of covered
They also banned the lifestealer themselves on the end of the second phase, so it's a pretty nice double pick from them
Well protected
Hero for sure
Well, what can my boy RCY cook with because at least if I see brew master
I mean from what I've seen with the invoker players
They don't really care what the hell they're playing against. They just like late game will get there eventually anyway
But if I'm brew I'm quite happy to play against invoker. I'm gonna dive his ass minute like six to twelve continuously every time you have
I'm running through this guy unless we can also kill the carry
So I would like to see if game religion have like some calibration of what they respect and what they don't respect
Yeah, I kind of feel like they need from the safe lane like some tiny some plops that can really stand up front
They go for the lunar eventually can become that but maybe not as early as some of the options I was mentioning but
At least we'll free-farm into the brew master that win rates ugly. Yes. It is
Wow, don't look at the wind right now. It will be fixed after this game by fixed
I mean it could go down. I don't know if I want it to be going up
But yeah, it's like a hero that can stand her ground into some of this initiation
You have damage reduction you itemize to deal with the Sven you can lane into the brewmaster like it's okay
But you know that's about it Luna never really excites me enough never goes out. Wow. What a great pick
It's just like sure you're just kind of getting to the next hero
Yeah, it's like decent tempo. I guess it would be nice if they can take a mid hero
because what Luna gives you too is night vision is a quite underrated aspect of the hero
But so far your heroes don't really use it like that
Well, you have like no off-lane bad writer who would jump with some lasso or some you know a mid hero like a storm
That's gonna jump in and then like you get the supports and get them killed
But that is something I would like them to think about because currently a Luna is it's good
I would agree. It's not think that's like too exciting
It does make up for Enigma being semi-slow perhaps early on and you can't play together
You know Enigma's gonna buy drums
You don't really mind joining fights on the Luna, but I wouldn't call this a free Luna game by any means
I am looking towards RCY finding a hero that can have confidence it again
I like the Invoker Bandit from Aurora even Brewmaster like you said can collapse on the tower having that
I like that liquidity having a little bit of extra buff onto Luna will go a long way
But after that you just need a hero that can initiate pretty much like look at two mils here before and good
I see why can you copy one of those please I just want him to just jump the backline
Loona's eventually do buy blink daggers to be able to follow up the niggle will have blink as well
Well, the fun part is that we just saw the hero pools of both of the meds and all of the heroes that both of them play are out
So we're gonna see them play something new today. Yeah, that is true
So it's a game of Legion all like one pick away from doing five range two is in a draft
Which is true extremely rare in competitive data, too
Yeah, I could see them going for heroes like a
A lot of the pangoliers and shakers I think slot in somewhat well into most of these drafts
like we've seen already a lot of the mids are banned out so you have to look into like your next tier of heroes and
Both drafts pretty much them the way though. That's played right now
You need a three-man ball like your side lane has one to chill
So you need a mid hero that brings your two supports to you that they can play with sanking shaker pango
Voice spirit. I don't know just like your casuals. I like the puck for game of legion
I know it's arranged here as a five range and we're having the curse kind of get put on to them
But they were the DK ban already, but then you're banning storm
So would you in sick ban store if you're picking puck? I like it's like the lockdown of Aurora
It's very disjointable. It's very easy to kite around
You got the pango still burned out
Okay, they just take the voice for it. So they do just look too mongo. Thanks mate. You've inspired us. Yep
Kind of did look very good yesterday.
Yeah, like Thessal, Yashakaya, jumping backline, getting kills.
Like, any hero that can force Brew to split or send to BKB, that enables the rest of GamerLegend to feel really good.
This is of course why Spirit Heroes have always been good in pretty much every single patch as their ability to just poke a really, you know, critical spell or item usage.
Yeah, like I think that poking is not only good against like even the Brew and Descend, but it's also like really nice for your Enigma.
Thing that wants to like chill, so you slowly have other people just work for you, like Lunas Nightwish and Moonlight Shadow, the Pogs from the Void Spirit, so I do kind of like that one.
I want to see where Aurora take this, because we've seen a couple of other heroes like you can, Slowdown, Void Spirit, you know, if you want to like bust out some Monkey King, but I think Soikovic does play this hero, and like we've seen, he has to bust out like something new.
And you should be looking at either a hero that slows down the Void Spirit a little bit in the early game.
Oh, yeah, it's that little man
I mean into the mealy here is slack will always just look good
Mm-hmm, but you can't really argue with that support rotations don't I think in this matchup
Will and morana rotating to mid will feel more aggressive than Aurora's heroes that will play more under kind of a reactionary standpoint
I feel like story comes I can like this thing with the slack versus mealy here
it feels really good in the first like six minutes or so but then depending on the rotation that you
can either really lose your game instantly or you cut apart yourself so if you're not a Slark team
you can hurt yourself by picking like the hardest counter if you're not ready to play on like Slark's
game. Is it a Rora Slark team? Well they are now I guess but I'm checking now. I don't know I'm
gonna say no because I feel like Stoikov hasn't played much Slark. Skeeter is also not really a
Slark player. The last time Storkov played Slark was in 2022. There's a Desolator in his inventory.
He has Corrosion Deso SMY. I mean he's gonna have play it in the pub. I think he must have.
If you're a mid laner worth your salt between TI and now you have practiced it. Oh no if you
want MMR and you're a mid laner you just don't pick, see enemy pick Amber then you go Husker,
Monkey, Necromancer, then you just win on morale. So it's yeah you'd like to think he's played it
And on paper, it makes a lot of sense.
I'm just looking towards Aurora.
Have they respected Slark?
Do they know how to enable him in the mid game?
Of course, I think with the Brewmaster,
it does simplify that, because those two heroes naturally
want to do things.
Yeah, together.
Yeah.
So is Phaedonigma going to pop off?
Or is he sufficiently countered?
I think he should definitely be popping off.
He should have a pretty stable early game.
And then it's more about this game, to me,
looks a lot like execution.
Like both teams have night vision now with the Luna
and the Slark.
You see a lot.
So it's more about how you initially enter the fight.
Can you win in the Brew Split and the early God strength?
or do game religion get to like chill for a good black hole?
Yeah, yeah, speaking of chilling real quickly, you mentioned earlier T that there's a lot of
ranged heroes on the side of game religion. Does that mean that Winter Wyvern is very sad with
their ulti? No, because all she cares about is cancelling black hole. As the game progresses,
it's like if you see some epic three-man black hole just cancel it, force the enigma to go to
Lincoln's and then you play on that. So yes, ranged heroes are spooky, but anyone next to Luna will
die and enigma wasting black hole will cancel it. So the Wyvern's got a very good job this game.
Yeah, but an easy-ish job, it doesn't matter that there's not a lot of melee.
Alright, so who do we favor for this one?
Is there a clear favorite coming out of draft?
Because we are mentioning positive things for both sides, which is very nice.
I would say my favorite game of the legion.
I can't really put strong stance, I think, on it, because Slark mid is still...
I don't have enough info.
Every second day I see a new matchup of Slark, like Slark against DK.
One time he loses, and then the next day he ults Rostan, so I think there's a lot of variance
when it comes to the gameplay.
And we're going to find out how it plays out.
Before we do, though, we are going to check in with Coach KP with Nomad.
Thank you, Shiva.
Yeah, Mr. KP.
Interesting last bit here, going for the Slark.
We see this often as an answer to Ember, but how does it work versus Void Spirit?
My stand-in wants to play Slark, I pick Slark.
That's it.
All right.
Okay.
Not too much from you then.
Has he been playing this hero a lot?
I imagine.
Is this a well-practiced one, or is he just seeing all the people go and go, ah, how hard
What can it be?
He's never played it before in his life so don't worry about banning it guys in the future
like just let him play it.
I'm not sure I believe you but I mean what is the guy like?
How has he been to play with?
How's he been standing in for the team?
So I played with him in Leviathan back in the day like 2024 so I kind of know him quite
well.
He's kind of quiet but he's like talented like you know he has his moments so you gotta
try and find that spark out of him you know and I'm the one to do it.
You're the one to do it.
I like that confidence.
confident do you feel about this game number one every game is 50 50
we know you don't all right well let's have got some action on the screen right
now so let's jump over to game number one as mirrors just go that's a crazy
fight all right let's go with our cast is only pixel and fun like you can't
much there no one in KP yeah we already out of three kills coming in the dick of
the first blood Aurora that mirror getting that on the hook wink but in
return game a lesion do get themselves to kills back their way there's already
something to talk about RCY's not lady mid so he's not you look at the switch
Yeah, dodging the matchup, they're putting the head off the phone, so it's a double dodge, right, because the enigma versus the span in the wide range, you can lane that, but it looks like it's a double dodge, so this looks like a very terrible lane for the Slark.
I mean, yeah, this is a brilliant switch.
I like this a lot.
In terms of the matchups that you're forcing, this seems like a Slark mids.
Well, they're not the worst nightmare.
There's obviously other things like huskars and such, if you ever found yourself in that situation.
Sure.
But against an enigma, it's kind of close.
This is just not a matchup where the slot is going to do anything that threatens the enigma and eventually
The enigma should be out CSing you pretty hard. Yeah, and I'll control in the runes
Yeah, you can just send an eye line you can do a lot of things. This seems good brain. I like this one
I'll play Void Spirit. It's not like it's something that's never been done. It's been done
Not the best no, but it is though something you can do to be able to decide these type of matchups
So this is cool. So so I thought that considered Aurora
I do think that they're the better team right looking at them versus game religion and Skeeter
he is playing his best one of his best heroes. That's the one thing that I'm looking at.
From him here in this lineup of Villechia so fine when he's got his hands on his classics fed
the games look to be in pretty safe hands and overall what I'm looking at is the only big
answer for him right it's it's the enigma right the enigma has to be able to get the backpoles
later on to get the control otherwise Skeeter could go crazy speaking of Skeeter though they might
I'll put the old Caster Cursed there, he's dead.
Oh well, well, maybe some highlights
were skeeted down the line in this game,
but getting caught out there, killed off.
Two minutes in.
Just stepped up a bit too far,
beats multiple different kinds of controls, gets killed.
He had a wave behind the tower for himself too,
so I guess he just went for that one extra deny
and got caught by the call of the stuns,
so, painful for him, nice little Caster Cursed.
Bam, mid lane, let's see how Stoikov does.
If Stoikov does well, that could be a big indicator
of what the game could be.
CS at the moment is alright, but it's pre-level 2 Idols. Now the level 2 Idols are there. Should have the damage,
Fade should completely destroy him in CS. If he doesn't, someone's gone wrong.
Exactly.
Like you're not putting the Enigma mid to sort of just trade in the situation. You're putting in there to make sure this Slark mid
regrets picking Slark mid.
Yeah, you're there to stomp him and you're there to just get your voice through to better match up. Across the board, yeah.
It looks really, really nice. Now Top lane, this is the one that I think could be a bit volatile.
I think there's kill threat on both sides. The Luna's not the most protected because he's got a Murano also
So and speed could kick it first in a lot of these situations too. So very close that it's a very strong
Oppressive lane that Aurora has gone for up here
I'm lucky to see the rise of the brewmaster
I know some people were saying for a bit. It was like a daddy hero sure some off liners have been nerfed
This sort didn't really get any buffs in particular
But it's coming back and I do like to see that absolutely and it's
Something could be spooky for some of the teams right because it is a hero
Unless you would say otherwise that I feel like not every offlaner can play right like that
There are offlaners here on good teams, but you would just never see picking up a brood. Yeah, it could be incredibly disruptive
It's always been one of those like like dogs. You're right where it's like the king of team fight
You completely control team fights and we already seen the result of the bit stuck up
He's getting pushed all the way back to the base these are the lines. Yeah, this is this could be an early tower
That's big. Yes. Well, that's not they were for the first two minutes trade farm beyond that
It's it's wrong. It I will see where stock of guys from here, but I mean what does he go from it?
You just have to take it on. There's no way you can just stop xp
Yeah, try to drag aggro sap xp
Rotation when fade overextends. I think that's the whole fear up
Baiting speed a little bit here. It's modern but getting faded himself. It's up drop to lose some beams try on the head of mayor
I guess the kill speed's fine. I can just look over the quick reset denies to neutrals
I've seen Mira die like this quite frequently
Little bit of a funny one big them nice brambles might actually protect nice fine. Let's get a calm
Quiet in range in time and it's lit this late swap is genius because I'm even liking it
Sure, you're seeing the void spirit struggle in terms of last hits a little bit, right?
But getting the barriers you have ways to protect yourself first of this fine. Yeah, so he's fine
He's chilling shouldn't die either
They will find a chance to punish him so it's like they're dying earlier comes back into lanes
I would push aggressively the WS and strike whilst they knew that speed was not gonna be back in time to help out
Curious to see if this switch up doesn't change things in terms of right now
The Void spirit isn't gonna be like that very early level six. You're gonna be playing more around like an enigma level six
I wonder if that's gonna change the dynamic in terms of yeah movements because the Void spirit
He's the setup when you look at the rest of their heroes, right? They have they need a setup Marano willow
They want somebody that's getting that initial grab. So wondering what kind of effect that's gonna have not for sure because that is the question
right is that
kind of
Struggle that you're gonna have with the voice pair because the lack of levels
Does that is you know get outweighed by the fact that you're putting so much in thinking about having such a good time in the
Name I would say like that would be better, right?
Because otherwise the voice there would probably be fully shut down
Sure, in this situation, but it just sort of depends on how much is this going to have to make this adaptation just in terms of what your team does as a lineup, right?
Yeah.
It might still be rough.
Tomorrow, see if it can survive. This time should be fine, but still heavy pressure being put on by Kallori and Mira.
And now, they could just lane like this, right? You could just actually keep this kind of tri-lane oppressive versus the top side.
Yeah, just turn the tomato, turns the lane.
Yep, and just leave Skeeter in this 1v1 versus the Void Spirit.
He's very low level, sure, thanks level 3 versus level 4 Void Spirit, but he should be fine to just chill down there and get the farm.
Mid lane though, they have to do something about this because it's a catapult wave.
Amira? Come on man, they got the drink.
Wait, what? Okay.
I'm close to maybe even getting Tomato.
They are out of spells though, so Tomato should be fine now.
He's fast, he's got Treads of Windlays.
He's gonna die. Sade had the catapult still alive, so the fact that they're doing this die top,
they really wanted to get the skill, because they're sacking their tower, and Mir's just gonna die again.
Yeah, she'll have a turn indeed. And keep tomorrow safe, get him involved in a kill.
He glyphs the mid wave too, you can see Stoikov, he's trying to drag the creeps off of the tower
to get the catapult to get hit from this. He will be able to at least finish off the catapult,
but the mid tower, it's 250 HP.
Yes, Tau's going down.
Yeah, so the choice for them was to try to pressure Tumato.
It didn't end up working.
They ended up giving it a kill and they lose the tower.
Bottom though, bringing three heroes, they'll be able to find R.C.Y.
Let's get this.
I see that's where they're going to get the symbol later, up to Tumato.
Tumato!
Oh, it's going to be fine!
WS, not so much!
The giant's coming in.
He's dead and Tumato surviving.
A couple of times now where they're trying to push for aggressive plays against Tumato.
worked earlier but last two times it's it's hot in them. He dodged the bushwhack as well
from the north so he would have died if it clipped onto him very nice little moves. Kayari
will be able to sneak in and steal but at the same time Faco's in takes his own or
takes the opposing one. Look at the chance to kill a Kori down on the bottom side.
I see why Ambignum. Nice for him. I see why he'll be very happy to get involved in those
extra kills to get that six a little bit earlier.
What's going on at this is what's what he's stealing tomorrow's farm.
It happens.
Here's my kind of mid player.
All right, there we go. That's tomorrow.
He's just the kill.
So you won't mind the fact that one of the Crete ways of disappeared.
There's a lot of just head up to the top and farm that he's got three kills.
I mean, Fade's massive, yeah.
I mean, yeah, consider as well in that top lane
how much they were trying to dive him.
Only getting them once, three, one, and three.
He's looking like a pretty hot start here for game of legion.
Like, Tommado, it was literally just individual play
from Tommado to Raios.
Just like sidesteps.
He cuts the tree from the hood when he has Treads Windling,
so he's speedy to disengage and get those beams.
He's really well played by him.
Even though he's even really struggling this tournament,
so far the lane, not too bad,
even though it's a very impressive lane.
And they're gonna try and dive top again.
I'll see if Fade wants to head up there, for now he's just going to take away some of the farm from the triangle area of Aurora, but obviously level 7 has the drums done, has Blackhole ready, so it could be a potential threat for side lane plays.
This enigma is going to be a big problem for them early on, that Bruce Blitz is going to be one of the better answers, but you can even kill it early. If you aren't this big, you just drop the hole on it with the idler like, oh yeah, kill Bruce Blitz.
Absolutely. And I think that's the thing that Aurora's got to be concerned about as well.
She's looking at Fade on his enigma. This guy, he's grandmaster too.
So when you give this sort of enigma player this sort of start, you say,
hey, you're going mid, you're going to go against this, like, absolutely destroy him.
And when you have this sort of inflated level of gameplay, when you're on a hero that you're so proficient on,
you can be an absolute nightmare.
Do you see what he's doing? Speaking of proficient, he's cutting the three-way pressure in the top tier one.
While Aurora's trying to push it to another creeps, and he's actually gonna get the tower himself. Oh, yeah
This is this is big. I mean, this is good. You know tomorrow. He's chill now because he's hitting the jungle anyway
He didn't want those three waves top
Customers will finally get punished for hanging around this position of the map. So it's big brain, but it's high-risk high-risk
Yeah, that's a good one.
Tomorrow, the Bruce splits there.
He could just be killed by this here.
How many sticks does he have? He has 10.
It's going to be close.
Does he get any help?
No.
Oh, I don't want to press this. I just felt that he was dead anyway.
Yeah, it looked like it.
They also take damage when they land, right?
So he took that 75 damage from the Cyclone.
Yeah, I guess we're still the same.
And then just didn't get it off the floor.
He was throwing up in the air.
and speed. Also to be found.
Alright, that was actually quite faithful. I liked it. I liked the idea from Fade.
But that actually hurts a ton of the momentum that they were building up there.
How's Mitch considering he did have to use the Black Hole and...
He did.
Doesn't get anything with it.
Hold on though.
I'll see why Vignum ready to make moves,
knowing that Skeets has been left on his own down here,
whilst the attention has been drawn elsewhere.
A nice and chaotic game. 16 kills in 10 minutes.
Oh, it is.
And the fact that, yeah, Fade, if he got the Black Hole off,
pre-Shadow Dance, probably killing him.
But the fact that Shadow Dance will cast at the same moment,
That's a play there from Stoikov. He's recovering. It's only one K behind an enigma. I'd say that's that's not too bad for a Slark
Not by any means
Pressure at the bottom side RC white
Standard build just gonna go to vessel playing them in from the off lane. He's very far. He's actually right behind the enigma after all this
So that is pretty much mid lane experience.
Yep, the level's fine right?
Yep, they left him alone for a while.
Same level's fine, sorry.
Yep.
Tamato though, he is the one that, yes, his gold looks good.
He's also only level 6.
Both of the carries are extremely low level.
6 on Luna, just hitting 7 on the spanner.
They both have very good ways to farm, of course, in the jungle with left alone.
Well, let's see how much time they do get in that jungle, WS.
He can try and catch him in the combo with the burst.
They catch. Clips drop down.
That's the nice thing I asked for Tamato too, as the Luna.
He can just show up a little bit more, right?
Whenever he has the clips, he can show up for one of these fights for the spandex.
I think for Skeeter, it's Jungle, Jungle, Jungle, until he's got the blink dagger plus one.
Oh, Starko!
Nice!
Very nice pounce there, catching speed completely by surprising the trees.
That's a freebie.
Take that all day.
Okay, thank you. What's your next hit that you want to go for here? He's going to go
to bearing build into the drum or into the sharp plus blank. So, kind of standard from
what we see. The bearing, we're not seeing as much. So, that's a bit of an interesting
one that he wants to go for. Yeah, especially as he's going all in on it when he is playing
it from the mid position. Yeah. Didn't sort of switch it up. And as you say, even when
kind of maybe even more utility than we've been seeing somebody off in an interest. Very
true. That's actually quite an interesting one. Mira is getting brought down here from
this damage. Yeah, I haven't seen the bearing in a while. It's quite a heavy
commitment of extra gold to go for here. I'll see what. Ready to dive in, finish
your core. Nice. Continue to push Skeeter back, try and slow down as far. Three
cores looking good for the side of Gamer Legion. Enjoying the way that they're
pressuring. Sure, they've hemorrhaged a couple kills here and there. Right, we
can see Fade overplaying his hand a little there, but nice responses so far
here. WS is gonna rush the agonims this game. No reason to go for like this
Orchid that we do see some of these other games are in between just wants to have that very strong split
It is a split that can die this game though
I will say it's not one that you can just run into a Luna run into a nigma
There's quite a bit of damage that will be going through these broolings
And there's gonna I guess you'll have war cry right so that's one thing we can factor in later
I'm trying to survive. Yeah, quite a bit that that will be
Yeah, let's say game religion have some great moments just to be able to fight and pretty much
fight into them every time right now on Aurora. Aurora is fight condition right
now. It's Brewmaster. So yeah, game religion. I've got a bit of edge here in this
early game with these switch-ups.
Waiting to see what RCY wants to go for next. As we saw Yasha Kaya from Sumail,
is he gonna go for something a little different this game? Probably not. It's
He's probably just going to be dishearded to standard.
Aurora?
They have Bruce Split.
I mean they would be happy to die for Fade.
He is fast.
I'm going to get the chance.
It's time for big number to get the Shadow Realm off.
He's dead.
Mera.
I'm going to brace.
I'm going to do too much to save him on that big.
He's probably dead.
Many Idle Ones.
Okay, they can't go for the move. They didn't bring the brewmaster either. They were just
looking to catch the enigma off guard, but fade in the right position this time with
the speed from the kobold cup.
Yeah, I was trying to think of an extra reason why he didn't want the brewmaster. That's
right, usually it's like a person something very slow, but isn't really that nice in your
room? But, let's not go.
Quite enough to kill him up. Very close.
Wow.
He actually survives all that fair.
Cool, something to hold back with the Black Hole was.
I knew that Kaori was around on the Wyvern.
I haven't seen anyone do it in so long, but is this an agonist Void Spirit game?
Because my concept that I'm thinking of is if the Enigma Black Hole is a target,
he just needs to make sure that the Wyvern can't catch.
It can't stop it, right?
So, I could see an argument for it, although it's not a popular pick up anymore.
It's also not horrible versus Slark and versus Brew, right? Getting these multiple silences.
True, true. But would you rather see him go for that than just kind of go for like, yuls?
I'm not sure. I mean, we'll see what he wants to do. It's up to him, right?
Every time he dies, it hurts that much extra because he is the mid laner rather than off-laner Nygma.
Must be a bit more careful.
Yeah, I'm out.
It's WS.
Might be able to force the split out of him.
He's very tanky.
Ah yes, you're right, he only danced a half HP and nothing else being thrown his way.
Stoikov.
Aurora is regaining a lot of momentum in these moments, set to these kills.
Skeeter now showing up to the fights actually quite early here, catching up in terms of network.
Level 11 for him, how's the Luna doing? Also 11, so they are matching each other pretty much exactly.
But this Slark is starting to do some damage.
He's having a game.
He is.
He's absolutely having a game at a story top.
He's definitely going to dive tier two, finish off speed.
I mean, I thought he was going to have a tougher one.
He is definitely having a much better game than I think
Game of Legion would have wanted him to.
And he's quite elusive in this game,
as if you look at it all right, not the easiest
type of ground stuns to apply.
It's the black hole, right?
That's sort of the big way of bringing him down.
But that's what we say.
Someone's got to deal with the Wyvern.
Yeah, that's what I'm wondering.
I'm waiting to see if what RCY does want to go for.
Because he's gone for the shard to farm.
I'm curious if it is going to be a pivot.
because I see I don't think I've seen an axe voidsperd in like yeah two years
yeah he's gonna be yours it just makes a bit more sense sure it's gonna keep
him alive
axe is great down the line but yeah more expensive
I just wondering provides a bit more assistance in multiple scenarios
absolutely I just yeah I do hope that he and I imagine he will write he will
use this to just try and take the wife and
it's out of the fight and disrupt that counter play with the curse
They caught a 10.
These are painful deaths as you say they're at it all.
The first 10 minutes or so was looking so good, but these last five minutes.
Another one for Stoikov picks off Pignum.
These are big, big kills.
That's something you want to be giving to a Slark when he's driving on the nighttime.
Two days, still three minutes more of night that he can run around with.
I mean Stoikov's pretty much about to overtake the farm of Vade.
Look at the build he went for too on Stoikov. He went for Blink.
He went for blink so he said I'm just going super aggro super right now. Yeah, blinks fantastic here
This is literally looks like you're build Owen. I would have maxed out W&E and then not
He did at least max his dog
That's why he's able to actually play a game of dirt too. There you go. You're learning. Okay. You got take note take note
But no, yes, so caught doing very well in the scenario that he was put in a fake
Dominate the lane, but as you say fade the house
He's been caught out three times in some pretty rough spots. All three of them really were pretty rough spots
Yeah, and it's hurt his game massively to the point where indeed this slug that he was set to counter
Only 18 minutes early into the game. The slug is now at the same point as the enigma and it's for the enigma game
Right, we do have to mention it was a first pick enigma, right?
The big one is tomatoes been caught
because there's always there's a bkb black hole stop there's yeah they have
ways to deal with it pretty effectively this is uh it's gonna be tough now for
game of legion it's even on the numbers are only 14 to 13 less the one cake of
difference but you can very much feel like it seems like a game where the
early change up was like all right that was cute fair play now what now because
the now what it's feeling like Aurora might have that covered a little bit more
And when you're an off-lane enigma, right, dying two times yourself, that could be okay.
But when you're an admitted enigma, it hurts that much more.
Those three deaths that he has, they are extremely painful, because he also was super high level.
So the amount that he gives up to the side of Rory is quite brutal.
And Skeeter isn't his element.
Tamato though too, he is, right? He is probably one of his most comfortable heroes,
but as you've seen, the Sven win rate in comparison to a Lunar win rate,
Sven just looks so much easier to play right now.
Luna, more of a risky choice. Both teams gone through portal. Stoikov is there for him.
Defeat. And he's going to drop the black hole and that's the solid fight.
Atchish and two big ones, both Stoikov and Khor. So there's no counter play.
I'll immediately go for TP out after that. Short, they'll lose big none.
But very much works out. In-game allegiance favor there.
Getting the chance to get the perfect black hole, really, right?
The Wyvern plus a core that's exactly what fave would be hoping is going to be walking into his range and that time they do
Good timing to get the fear connection at though
No
If he doesn't get the terrorized I think he might get cancelled on the whole really quickly there
So pretty much perfect synergy from the two of them. Well tomorrow looking for solo play
Welcome to hoodwink I'm up hoodwink you hide in the trees
They might be out of cleaning up. There we go. So tomorrow look at the last laugh. Oh
Ooh, just getting big on the last left.
Got him.
This guy steals his wave, steals his kills.
You know what?
It's mid and Igbo might be getting a report at the end of the game.
From tomorrow.
Kari, getting some vision for the team.
Tomorrow we'll walk right into him.
So they'll probably expect there's some type of vision in this area now after that move.
So if you're game a legion, what do you need to be doing in this sort of position?
Is it indeed a case of you can't really slow down? You do want to keep the pressure on?
No, I think they can chill.
You actually, as long as you sort of just aren't feeding these kills across the map.
Yeah, don't have her to big kills on your nigma. I think just...
You're fine if I'm off.
Chill, 80 seconds. Yes, he's gone for the shard build, so he can't play to pressure lanes with these extra idoluns,
but don't look for a head-on fight until you're black hole.
I mean, does he need to be this deep on the map?
Or is this sort of a fine place to be right now? Or is it risky?
This sort of area is okay.
Yeah, because he doesn't want to take the Luna's safe farm area.
Void's third showing top.
One of the two cores has to be on the bottom side.
His summons are probably the safest ones to do it.
Skid.
And Osvaldo from Skidna.
Are you sure he's there to help out?
Yeah, I'm looking forward to see how that matchup is going to be, too.
The Sven versus that Luna.
That big right click with the Warcry that helps the team.
And then also the Luna orbit to counteract things.
Kyori.
Oh, very nice one for Fade.
Ailons.
not only gets the kill but also tanks the curse just being dropped on him in an
effort to save himself so no curse for 90 that goes back up in 30 so they'll
have about a one-minute window where Fade also obviously with his blink dagger
could look to make a big play and I mean you say that they could sit back but
that's sort of when that's got to be tempted to go right if you got hold you
know there's no curse I wouldn't mind seeing them smoking up around Fade and looking for some big play
They thought much better than they expected, whenever they have pull they want to take this fight.
It's just how far they want to force things, that's different.
These last five minutes felt much better.
Gets himself back into a comfy spot, seven and three finds himself four kills across the board.
Do they have a smoke out upon them?
Speed is bringing one down.
So this is speed does end up joining because yeah, there's going to be a very tempting black hole opportunity here for the next 40 seconds.
There's no curse have to be ready and wary of what pay-or-e is they're gonna make the move on
It's a pretty good take about a get very nice even more time in which that they can look to make plays 30 seconds
No, why then still I'm in the black hole at the ready fade to the jump pair from Stoikov
Thank you. It could look for the counter play. See if you want to go he's gonna see what further advances
But through it, that's enough, he's the 2-core, jumps in, is there 4 of them, though there is not!
As both RCY and Faye die, I mean you can see...
He should have ditched it.
You can see why I did it, I'm like, you know, ah, I would have gone for that, it's all 2-cores, there's no Wyvern, let's go, let's black hole, right guys, come in with the follow up, uh, guys, anyone?
I, I, he should have, he should have super ditched it, that's your off-laner, you gotta ditch your off-laner this time around, right, it's not your mid, bad point spirit this time, so...
If he has Luna coming in, you go for this play.
I need to get a plus one.
You can do this, but as you say, hit without a follow-up.
Save your body syndrome.
Sometimes does come into play.
And there's no follow-up whatsoever.
Yeah, all could jump out with the Dissimulate.
They're going back up to the high ground for RCY.
Costum costed both of their lives, and the Black Hole put on cooldown.
And Aurora now didn't use anything, right?
They used God's Ring, sure, but that's a whatever.
But they can look for the fight themselves now on this level 3 Ferusplit 2 with that axe, speed.
That is a lot of stacks for Stoikovs.
Fight.
Good save there from Fyme. Comes in. But I see why.
Stoikov!
Stacks are building up.
Ease!
Baby just gonna kill Fyme again!
Yeah, both of them.
Oh, dead.
Oh, dear.
Oh, speed.
He's gone!
Oh, that. I tipped the man for sure. He said he wanted to play Slark.
He wanted to play Slark. He didn't necessarily want to play into an enigma mid, I don't think, for the laning stage,
but he got through it, he dealt with it, and he's absolutely having much more impact right now than Fade is on his enigma.
And now they can go Roche because he has 90 edge.
And now that mid lane, they can find the catch on the R.C.Y. again. That was, I mean, an insane sequence.
sequence after five minutes of good stuff in religion it's five minutes of
complete devastation as they lose back-to-back back to back RCY on the
enigma that's yeah it's just a match the GPM without a fade
sure so much damage but given the couple of fights at this pace and he's going to
be likely to take over on that front as well here Stoikov and now Kari after all
that has the blink dagger finished for positioning as well he's even blocking
the camps of Tamato. Wow, that's very annoying.
Keep little play coming in. Very good, deep aggressive vision as we do see from Aurora now too.
And yeah, Black Hole. Cool down for 20 seconds, and it has a set for faith.
This is not a game, or it's a free BKB game. He can't just go BKB Black Hole.
There's going to be the Wyvern there every time.
Mira!
We'll go down. Nice play from the supports, but Stoikov's in.
Always hungry Stoikov in for some action back his way.
way the dust has been put up now.
Oops, TP outside.
Yeah, I tried to go for it blind before they had the dust set up onto him and does not get fortunate.
We're stopping the TP.
It's a game of legion. They'll live this time.
I'll see why he's got his eyes on Skeeter.
But obviously, Trojan, we can't really make the go.
There's nobody around to back him up.
Skeeter is gigantic now.
Daedalus, look at his inventory and then click on the loot as in this story.
That's pretty crazy.
Like, it doesn't look like Tomatoes so far behind now at this point,
but it looks hard for Tomatoes to fight him.
I mean that's the thing right it's looking like the Luna is not gonna touch this fan
No, at this point they need the black hole on this fan, and they might be the black hole on I all the cores right three cores
I'm pretty devastating now at this point on the side of Aurora how much damage they deal and we're gonna say good black hole
It's gotta be the best one with that so far was one where there was no one around so
See if they could do it again, but this time with the team
Ready to jump feels harder and harder for him. I feel like this out of game
It's just harder to execute, right?
If the Aurora's thinking approach these fights,
much more simply.
Absolutely, yeah.
The team fight became legion.
You have to have RCY finding the Wyvern,
finding Glory at the start of the fight.
And he did, by the way.
He changed the build.
He was going Kaya after Yulce.
He's gone for the X.
Yeah, I figured so.
Because it's that important, right?
That is his job.
He must stop this Wyvern at all costs.
Stop Wyvern?
It just, he's preventing Groove.
There's multiple different ones in it.
It felt good for him.
Brisklet used.
Can they disengage?
Cleanly on the side of Gamer Legion from this?
Not fully.
All kills, no, Stoic called.
Look at this wing pan up.
WS is scouting.
All right, R.C.Y will do the headshot, keep you out.
Dyer's middle tower, it's under attack.
Not many core kills happening for Gamer Legion
to the side of Aurora either right it's a lot of support kills they've been able
to find throughout the game they are losing their players alive
They're going to be able to go for the attempt here onto Skeeter but
not going to happen gets interrupted the turnabout there it's a double kill
for Skeeter as Mira ready to make sure that his spend does not fall
It's a dream of having the blink dagger also on this support hood link
getting able to close that gap if he doesn't get there at that moment Skeeter probably just dies
I just a little bit short on the gold for that BKB fade, so I didn't have it yet for that play.
And right for Tamato, he did go more of a defensive route with the build.
He went for Masked Madness, meant to into BKB rather than go on the aggro build. His damage was not there.
He's a set up, but he's taking it.
Actually half the damage, it doesn't look like it. A bear coming through, the brown wolf doesn't matter.
Maybe with RCY jumping in, they're still trying their best to kill off this brood.
He's alive.
Hold offense comes in, maybe a shadow round hit, that will do it.
They do get the kill, but it's going to cost them both of their supports as again, Stoikov.
Having Speed's number every single time chasing this Murana out of the fights and killing them.
Stoikov's really running the show.
Getting so many of these grabs, six, two, and nine.
Been able to do an insane amount after Laning first that Enigma in particular.
and Skeeter now get insane separation between him and the Luna.
For Tlami, Tamaura, they go to the defensive route.
I've seen a couple of these players lately, right? They've gone for straight butterfly.
It sounds silly, right? But if you had that damage on top, they would have killed Skeeter.
That's true, because maybe you do have to kind of go all in and just play for the idea that Nigma will get that black hole.
Maybe.
And when they do, you do get those kills.
It's tough. It's a hard one for Tomato for sure. Yeah, I mean now he needs to go butterfly needs to have that extra damage
But now there's gonna potentially be that next item for skater next two items before that
I'm gonna hunt him down at the downtime of this black hole. It's painful. And you see how that many answers
Stalker
Auto the chase
Should be fine though tomorrow Storko tries his chances in the corner of the map. Oh my there's left the WS is right here
He does have BKB TP, he's just gonna go for the TP straight out before they see him though, so,
Tomato able to get away.
He's got the night vision, so we'll be able to at least see the brew.
Speaking of the brew, oh god, how do they take this final and get the Legion?
This is gonna be the real test. AC's finished up for brew, level 4 split,
pretty much everything that they need coming together.
BKB's on the way out, 18 seconds till Blackhole.
So, they will have the BKB Blackhole likely.
to know what he or he is.
Already they're going to reveal him to jump on Bignum.
So game of legion, they'll get some information from that.
What do they want to do with it?
Fade, he's tagged by the distiller.
They do see that BKB now.
I'm going straight for it.
They're going to try and force out a reaction.
Mike just accepts his death and not
press E for the cooldowns.
And that will indeed be the case.
Hard for him to find these angles.
They have to have pretty much perfect information.
And they're playing versus a Slark who's just jumping
past everything, giving all the info.
Stoikov has yet to have his head recovered incredible in this game.
That whole top sequence where he kills the Enigma plus the Murana.
Pretty devastating.
Off to the high ground.
Mr. Murano ready to come back and defend.
Probably not wants to get the, the butterfly done at least before he returns.
He's still short the money for the Talisman.
And his rat's gone.
I'm not able to find any of these catches after Aurora sets up for the pushes to
game religion unable to connect with everything hey yeah now at this point
right it's all the pressure in the world on tomorrow and if they can execute
these black holes versus multiple counters last game we did see the vibe
do it but he wasn't playing into these you know me give you Pearson counters
like the Wyvern much different this time around. Much harder for Fade to get those
types of setups to get the comeback here. And you have the armor now at this point,
right? Warcry with level 20 talent, now he's 24 of course but always want to
point this one out. 22 armor bonus, they have AC, so even more armor bonus and the
majority of the damage now at this point from Gamer Legion, it's gonna come out
from the Luna. So they're gonna have a ton of ways to mitigate that too.
They're gonna try. This is the timing that they've been waiting for. Not one. Not to sort of come at them at this kind of deficit 12k. They won't wait for that. They will not hope to be in this spot.
Because how can they do something with this?
They gotta get an insane connection and if it's a 5v5 fight, as I said, the execution has to be literally perfect from the...
Aurora is just so much easier to execute themselfs against a space roll.
As long as the Wyvern is just in the backline.
Ignum.
Little awkward.
awkward. We'll build the TP out. Full Ockfarin now too for the Slark as we do see Stoikov
on absolute menace in these fights. The savestown is going to be pretty insane. Yeah. It doesn't
have depth shroud. I was about to point out the same thing. He's like, I don't even need
it this game. It feels like a very good depth shroud game too but prioritizing his own aggression
rather than defensive capabilities you could buy it next if you'd like to
again another smoke game religion feeling desperate to finding connection
to pick off
is it enough for them to turn it into a friend of a rose and they could go rose and temp the team
fight and just have a position to jump. Stoikov, nearly getting a pounce on to speed, but it'll be fine.
It's just hard for them to start it and Mira is going to be respawning pretty soon.
They do not look confident to do so. They're just going to smoke again and look for a potential
nother grab so they can look for these 4v5 fights. Stoikov on the front.
I'm just going to jump into the illusion, dive back down.
It's going to be the buyback as you come out from here.
Split, it's on tomorrow.
Mardus could be on a back off for now as the WS will continue to chase him.
Full retreat here from game, Elegion. Bignum will get left behind.
The rest of them will manage to escape the split.
Over to the side, guys. He asked why he's caught.
Has the ULF to try and jump away.
Pats is ready, waiting for him on the way back down. He's gone.
They just can't disengage.
WS just literally blinks in their faces, he's like you can't kill me, pops the split, just goes right through them, and now that rush, that's gonna be Aurora's.
Looking impossible for game, it leads you to find a team fight in their favour.
At all. And yes, Gida, having another one of those games from him on the Sven, where he's looking untouchable, he's just that far ahead of anybody else in the game.
Yep, we see it there, right? Jumps in, gets the double clap, they try to go onto the front, but it's a stark, so he gets the dark pecked off.
the door packed off I want to fuck this doona I'm fucking them guys yeah there
we go he literally was WS very much feeling themselves there with how much
it's just able to chase them out of the fight that was a good one I think Aurora
probably entire team feeling pretty good about their position right now has
been quite some time since I feel like we felt anything from the side of game
religion hit right about 15 minutes or so all around that bottom side right when
they did the black hole tried to save RCY it was kind of this consecutive feed
afterwards
and Stoykov he's on the prowl he sees camps cleared he knows the lunis here
We'll be able to evade Stoikov's movements.
Okay.
Base push, likely going to be coming in around us.
Just on Skidda.
They need a big black hole.
This guy's in, monkey-eyed.
All right, man.
Didn't have anything to help him.
They just have to sit back and watch him die.
That's...
Yeah.
Yeah, nothing.
Yeah.
I didn't have anything to help him they just have to sit back and watch him die. That's yeah. Yeah nothing. Yeah
He's got no buyback big thumbs down dead as well. Well, this is awkward
Okay, well might be the beginning of the end I might just be the end
Bye back on speed
Again by the way guys, the plus one second stun from this van, that's the reason he gets these kills again.
He really likes taking this talent.
Worked out there.
On to the next.
What a vacation, but can they even...
They gotta at least try to put up the fight.
Looks like he's trying to finish the axe before anything on Faye before looking for it, but...
I want to see at least an attempt to fight before the game ends.
And one more black hole at least.
at least try
you have to wait for everybody though
but bangers are inclined
okay well
i'm tough on it
really all got downhill ready for that landing place onwards
pretty much
and ever since
i'm not able to reclaim any sort of control on this game
just a lot of deaths for fade right
those are seven deaths
simply because you are just really struggling
And that, yeah, honestly, that whole bottom sequence, they both die, then top, they both
die.
It was a pretty absurd sequence that they had in just five minutes.
I think they lost it in five quarters.
And Storkov, on the mid-slot, only died twice.
He looks good.
And was able to bully numerous members of Game of Legion multiple times with these aggressive
movements that he was getting away with.
He does look quite good on the Slark.
I was actually trying to look up more of the stats from it, I actually forgot to continue, but he does play it quite a bit.
Yeah, they'll definitely bring it that out again if there's some sort of melee era that these spirits are in the middle lane.
As we're seeing it, it doesn't matter if you do switch things up and try and put a tougher counter against him in that lane, he will recover.
Pretty crazy how much he was able to recover in this game too.
Bash turned out for WS, Skeeter and KB. Final strike coming in.
Yeah, I agree with that. Tamato, definitely need a rapier in order to come back in this one, but he wants the satanic first.
But I think there's honestly no way he comes back in this game without a rapier, so...
We've got to try something.
Where's Kaori? Look where he's standing. You've got to try something, but look what the supports are.
The supports aren't even on the screen.
Come on, at least one more black hole.
At least try.
Are we going to get something tomorrow? It's going to try.
There's the black hole. It does allow them to take out the spend.
The one spot the throw is dying.
And it is dead.
Game over.
As Aurora will take this game one, Game of Legion, they have something at the beginning,
but it, you can feel it drift away pretty quickly and you can feel it never coming back
after quite some time in that one.
A rough one for Game of Legion, a very good look here for Aurora as they'll close up Game 1.
It looked very cool for a bit there, putting the enigma in the mid lane against Slark,
But the confidence that we also heard from KP is like, if my mid laner wants to play Slark mid, I'll give him Slark mid.
I think T at the very start, he talks about how at least a couple of days in, especially historical, has looked so much more confident here on land.
This was the epitome of it.
No, 100%. The way that he was doing for on the map, to have the respect of a game against me, they can mid.
I don't need to overplay my hand, get what I'm given, vote back to base, reset, come back.
And then he goes to the Fuse with Blink Dagger.
I had the double jacket, sorry, but the Blink on Slaakley is on this patch.
It's not been bought once on LAN yet.
And you know, there's one like Chinese like online qualifier game that I graduated building.
But you know, it's a very, very old school build.
But in this game, jumping onto Morana's and Void's spirits and just having that instant
pounce is quite effective compared to the likes of going acts where you might be able to miss it.
So, mad props to him.
Like, he just commanded this game after that laning phase.
Yeah, and it's just nice.
Like first of all as I stand and like we've talked about how he's building his confidence like over these days
not also he calls for his hero he goes for like a
Unorthodox item build, but it's just like making it work
This just feels great for him also everyone else in the team
They should feel great because they just played good and clean dota if I'm game religion
You should try to brush this off a little bit and be in terms of that guys. I think we didn't really combine our heroes
I don't really think we played too well because personally, I don't think this is like a huge drafting issue
I think they have more an issue of like where heroes need to be what you want to do next because I think after like 10 or maybe even 50 minutes
I don't know if game relations did a single good play like together as a team
It was all Aurora from like 50 minutes to the end
That is the problem when you do lane swaps because I think the mentality
Changes in the player where it's like fate goes to mid
But like even though he's laning mid after the laning phase
He still should probably gravitate towards the bot side of the map
Yeah, I see why can still they go back towards the mid part
You should still swap back to your original roles after the laning phase, but for some
reason Fade had this mentality of like, I'm a mid laner.
He's running into the enemy triangle, he's running down bot lane, he's running everywhere.
It's like, bro, take a deep breath, you're a nigma, you've got a luna farm, you don't
have to do all these big picture things, just hit creeps in a closing map way.
And he just kind of died, so unlucky.
Unlucky, but lucky, well, no, skill for Storkoff and the confidence shown through on his slack
and well-deserved MVP for this one because I think we roll maybe a little bit worried for him after
having to lane against Ligma. You're like, okay, see how that goes. If I'm going mid on Enigma
against Lark, I'm double downing before the game starts. Like this is supposed to be like you have
a free game going and I think this is kind of what happened a bit to Game Religion and what they
still need to improve on is a little bit of the macro. You also talk about their map play and
obviously it's not something you fix from one game to the other but throughout the road of the
season they have to do better. I believe we have a couple of clips from Stoikov having a grand old
time. Oh yeah because his laning stage it's not like he's bottom of the network by a lot in this
clip and it's like if you see fate here he's trying to push the top tier one tower but it's
first of all this is also the area of brewmaster and you're in the enemy triangle it's so easy for
you to get killed here like even if he maybe kills Stoikov in the first phase because he doesn't
press his ult he would always die in return. Now here's a secondary kill at 50 minutes Stoikov
gets us to use the blade and I think that there are just other games where if it's played very
cleanly you maybe don't have a sword that can go you know rampant here on this type of movement
but because he's in the right place at the right time and he understands yo this guy's overplaying
they get a couple of nice skills and I think from here on out he kind of just commanded the entire
game yeah and it also kind of proves the idea of like even if you don't have a hero that you play
competitively often like when you play it in pubs or your team respects it like sort of clearly
has gone other players are doing it I might not show it in my pro games but I'm ready to bring it
to a game if I need to. So that also puts like even more kind of class to his name,
but he's willing just to throw heroes into the mix.
Well, a lot of praise going the way of Stoikov, of course. But let's put that aside for a little
bit because if we look at this game the longer it went at some point, you're going to rely
on your core as TGov.
Yeah, this was a major problem for Game Legion as well because they had that Luna in the carry
role and she was farming top shoes, didn't okay, but all of the clips that you showed,
She was never like translating her damage into it even in the highlight clip at the start of the package
She's putting down an ultimate onto
With the black hole but not getting a kill onto the Sven and like Sven picked up blink instantly ran through the jungle and killed tomato
And the end of the entire game the hero damage right now
321 salooner luna finished with 12 000 hero damage
Lower than the willow the marana the enigma and the voidsburg set her own team. That's everybody
correct yeah that's no good signs we did so see the ultimate that he tried to
get through a big method that would have that would have put him up there if
it did hit 24,000 net worth 12,000 damage that's quite bad the goal to
damage ratio here is like yeah that's definitely something else like you
pick an 18 Luna you want to play aggressive they never really got together
it felt like that's like a few mistakes maybe like it shook up how they were
communicating and feeling within the game but Aurora like we showed like
Skeeter after this is his best hero I think especially for the steam and
He has a good lane, he can make good moves, he buys blink, it's clean.
It was a very clean win for Aurora, a very, very fun win as well from a viewer perspective.
Let's see if they can do that again, or if Gamer Legion will put up more of a fight in game number two.
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Why?
Why?
Why?
Why?
Why?
They stand out the most in the games.
Yeah.
And I guess, like, other roles, like, more early game to begin,
I'd say.
Hmm.
Let's see.
Yeah, I guess for me, the ninth is I play carry and, like,
you start buying, like, rapiers.
I mean, I like the, it's kind of like, you don't get many times,
there are many times, right?
And if it's like an important game, it's kind of like,
just something you've never played before.
Like, some minute, 80 minute game against some good team,
game tree, you know, it's like super hype and then like every decision matters. It's so fast, right?
It's like, uh, it's a different game.
I mean, for me, I'd say like, I only have like a couple, like the sands are the most so
Definitely get 6-10.
I usually play very meta heroes.
So I feel like they'll ban like two heroes usually.
Last one was like, people would ban Andruid,
and then they would ban Nessif.
And then from there, they'd...
So it's like below 5.
And for me, if you like, this guy was a Senorian player against, like not a lot of people understood
how to play against it.
It's like, you just can have a vision like, you know, work pretty much, and just healing
towers really good.
Makes it pretty hard to play.
See, when I agree with him, he's super strong, but I also feel like out of the imbas of last
patch, I would have preferred to play against Triant.
Like I feel like he was really good at laning, bashing and stuff, but for example for me,
someone long drew it could just solo win the game, where like Triant is like, he's not
going to win you the game, it's just kind of like make your life easier.
45 to choose, to like some S wave, some long, really, some 3M, I would choose 3M, something like this.
My favorite, like, try playing as a hero.
It was just too hard play. I played like 10 screams, at least 5.
Playing as a hero, and all these moves.
Easy to execute and high impact, right?
I guess I just started playing with the guys, I just got to meet you guys,
but I feel like people are not angry or anything, but definitely because
I think most Dota players and these team is non-exclusion, it's like you communicate bad.
I feel like people just talk over each other and they'll be like,
I think you're wrong.
So it's not really aggressive, but it's not really good communication.
Well, I can say, like, online, it's like, bad attitude.
I mean, I've only played online, right?
So when I got the bad stuff, I was like...
Yeah, I'm not winning this.
And if I could bring speed, maybe, you know, like if I'm allowed, like a plus one, I can see it.
Yeah.
Big Naut is a big guy too, maybe I can like send him to distract.
I don't know, maybe I can send him to distract.
I need a guy to like distract the wolf, and then I'll hit the wolf, but I'll feel like I'll do no damage, so...
With Peterbush, I would say I'm like, the bait, Peterbush, destroy it.
You mean the bait?
I would say.
Like if we two, we won the wolf, there's a way we're winning, I feel like.
We're not gonna win.
Yeah, we're not gonna win.
I do hope that the communication got a little bit better over the last few days, of course
this was recorded before the group stages, so maybe tomorrow being so brutally honest
about that, you know, they helped them step it up a little bit, but I do want to touch
upon something else because Aurora and Gamer Legion both of your head to head, they both
have a lot of time with a team.
They've had slightly similar
slightly different rosters,
of course, but they had the
exact same results at T. I and
over the year. That is not
something you would expect
per se because gamer Legion
they've had a little rough time
with the tea. Yeah they have
ever since they got picked up
by the game Legion org. They've
unfortunately kind of tier one
tier two events, that's
including land and online have
been able to break quite often
online tier 2 event where they may have believed the fourth place, so it is, again, very good for
Game Legion right now to be in a position of finally overcoming the odds of them, you know,
not escaping the group stage. The game one didn't go their way, but I just hope for their sake,
they can kind of recalibrate, find some answers to the problems that Aurora had, because you
don't want them just to kind of peek throughout this playoffs, like you want NA to at least hold
their own for a little bit longer. They want them going for that clear communication,
and to propel them forward.
Yeah, hopefully, Tomatos and Mark said it's quite blunt as well
during the after-game one now to help.
I hope so, because I would be looking at him, right?
Like, with what you just showed.
They're not in the playoffs that often,
but Tomatos had a longer career.
He's played in OG, he's played in TSM.
They've had like top twos and top fours at LANs,
even if it's been like throughout many years,
but still, he's got the experience.
You know, he's played in those higher-caliber teams.
But in the last game, he was at least missing
when it comes to the gameplay.
So I hope now, like, you know,
you have this little break from game 1 to game 2, it's no problem, it's a B3, you can
lose some games, but try to show it a little bit more that you are a team that belongs
here in the playoffs and that you can win, because obviously they are capable, but something
in this last game just didn't come together, so use this break, come and clean, try again.
The scary thing as well, like four game legion in draft, that skitters hero pool is always
just so bland and generic, that you don't want to ban it, but you know it's coming.
You don't really want to waste a ban on a Sven, the tiny, these random heroes, at least
early phase. I feel like in second phase, you're always going to get access to them on a war,
at least one of them. And that's why he's able to do so well.
Yeah, he's just, he just gets the job done always.
Yeah, we got a little bit of a change up. We got game religion on the radiant side this
time around. We're on the dire side and we got a Largo right off the bat. Now, this is a flex
pick for game religion. Does deep size come from my panel? They know it might be mid.
But that was only him for now.
Only me. Yeah, just to be clear. I don't want to go underneath the don't put me in the boat yet
We got a also an incident or the world rather the lago was the answer on the on the necker there first pick for a roar
I only sigh because I think lago is a good hero when it responds to something and you activate something on your own team
So I don't mind it into the necker the problem is like are they gonna try and follow this necker into the end of the draft?
If so now the lago has to be mid to offline flexed the entire time so far statistically
I see why one-on-one on the hero only the one played it on his team as of yet
Which worries me that is just a default mid pick which that's why I sighed as I if they flex it sure if they're just putting it mid
We know fate can play it too. Yeah, but like that just that he hasn't played it yet. We know that it's in his wheelhouse, so
Because I do the hero makes more sense
I think from the offline right like most of the heavy spell damage heroes
They are from the mid lane. They're the ones that you want to buff up
You can just play from the offline like and I'm still not sold like I think mid Largo obviously it can work
But yeah, it is a this is one of the heroes that needs the most hero combinations in a dota 2 competitive game
To actually make work and have purpose
But it's also an extremely greedy hero where you want to hit like level 12
You want to have Sanskai, you want to like a Aghanim, then you want a BKB and Sheevers and all that.
Every time you get an item, you can go to fight, but you also want another one.
But you don't want to just AFK it, you want to try and do things, and it just creates so many like little complex moments within the game
that I think one of the only teams that makes it feel reliably good is actually Onewin.
When 33 gets the correct draft, he can show the top of the hero, but other teams, they just pick it by kind of by default
don't get all these little motions, like the strong lanes, the hero combinations that
Kendra is talking about. I hope to see the combinations, but it's just difficult to draft
here. I guess that's maybe the short version of what we've been talking about.
I can see, overall, I think there's purpose with Largo against Necro. Obviously, Necro,
generically speaking, he sucks against magical damage, which is what you have yourself and
what you amplify. And then, well, the physical damage, generally, Necro can be good against
it, but you can purge that. So, you know, they can definitely build on top of that.
And Aurora, they play a lot of Necro, I think it works very well in their team, just also
by the nature of Skeeter's Hero Pool, where he's generally the melee guy, he will run
around, he will jump first for you.
And when you play Necro, sometimes you lack that in your draft, but for his Hero Pool,
it's always there.
Well, we first have Windranger, not nearly, not a lot of magical damage coming out from
her, so that's not particularly a combo, I'd say.
No, but it's just more skirmish to throw into the draft, right?
If it is your 4th position, you're going to have Galeforce at minute 15 to push heroes back,
then the Largo is running at you.
So it's a lot of just annoying things to think about in a fight.
Two elusive heroes as well, both playing on movement quite heavily.
The Ranger of Wind running in and out, Largo of course with moody bonuses.
So you do need to consider that Aurora won't have a bit more lockdown to try and deal with
these kind of just quick paced heroes.
Yeah, I think that the Flexflick is quite good.
Even an early Vessel against Necro is up there.
I think that Windranger is also a pretty okay carry, like with Largo, she builds Mjolnir, she has a lot of attacks that go out, you can buff up the damage overall.
Interesting, because I think this is a hero that isn't played as much, he very often has a very good impact, I think SD is somewhat underpicked in a way.
I think especially with heroes that are looking to most likely get Vessel or Perch in the game, or that you need to like all in, Necro is definitely a very good combo with SD.
Yeah, complete forgotten and Kairi is the one playing it. So it's actually a five position Shadadiman
We're not looking towards mirror playing in the form
It just enables the the safe lane in regards to just sort of protecting your carry. You have disrupt
He is still looking at I just double-checked his builds in the one game. He played he just rush blink dagger
Mm-hmm maximizing his ability to kind of turn around a team fight not trying to do anything too crazy on the hero
He's a blink enjoyer like winter wyvern first item blink sd first item blink
He doesn't like the smaller items.
And he has a poison endure as well.
Because I know at least in position 5, SD was balancing between are you maxing the destruction,
are you maxing your dissemination, or are you going for, I think honestly poison was
ignored for a long kind of stint, competitively, at least when facets were introduced or still
in the game.
Would you pick another support at this point?
Would you go for Mira's hero?
Yeah.
There's a lot of options still in the pool.
You could go for Mira's hero.
I think the Nyx is something that could be looking at.
Ooh, there it is indeed.
I think he hasn't lost yet on the Zero.
And also, when you think about how they picked overall,
like they enjoy like the closing the 18 phase
with Stoichau's Heroes.
And this time around, you know,
Delina is still in the pool.
Definitely something you could be looking at
if you want to.
Fares very well with the Nyx.
Nyx also fares quite well with Skeeter's Heroes too.
You know, like Blink, you pick people off later.
You have a 1 plus 1 kill combo.
You're pretty happy with that.
No, why haven't other teams picked up on the next assassin?
Because we have seen Mira add so much success, but that he's the only one who plays it.
That's what I hear.
I think there's with the centaurs and the kind of the big offlaners, I think defaulting range picks feels quite nice.
You just play a strong lane that you don't need to do anything else.
I think your fall position really wants to play Nix.
Like, if the meta demands that you have to play it short, but I think in a meta where Nix is not at the top,
fall players don't want the hero, you know, like, I guess that's a weird way of describing it, but...
I think Mira, how slow the early game is for Aurora, how kind of, like,
strategical it is through, like, setting up Stoikov.
Like, Nix is a strategical hero.
So the way that Aurora plays, it makes sense.
But, like, if you were talking about, like, LGDs and Navis,
I wouldn't want to see them play Nix.
It's, like, too clunky to hear for them.
Main question that is here right now.
Storm Spirit, do you want to play Largo into it?
Like, in the mid lane, it's...
Yes.
I think there's Largo should go off, though.
That was so close to a 5G.
He was like, that's the best side.
Welcome, brother.
This Largo should go off lane.
OK.
I guess we can also see Aurora will show the 23 pick.
And then it's like, because if you have a really good off
lane pick, then I'm OK if the Largo goes mid.
Largo only goes mid if he gives a big W to someone else.
OK.
Because he is in getting a W on his own.
We have for now got some bans coming out
to protect that storm spirit coming out from Aurora, which
again, Storkov is the only player this entire world
that has managed to win on the Storm Spirit and when he did it looked very good.
Yeah, Aurora's entire lineup, it looks very, very scary.
I think they do invite Game of Legion as very small window in like the laning phase
and the early kind of map movements to try and break them.
But I feel like they're very comfortable as the game progresses.
They have no issues once they stabilize the game.
Game of Legion, Dazzle and Edge is profit.
The combination that we saw from Yandex in the same flame, really, really potent.
Of course, you put the Trients and then Dazzle kills them.
You get big damage, you don't care.
The side lane from Game Legion, as long as Lago is off lane and not, you know, griefing the game mid,
you are going to have just a very strong line up to enable RC White to have a good mid last pick.
Please don't put Lago mid, and then they're going to have a good time.
Yeah, I want to see overall how they're protected. I think something else...
They also need a stun on Game Legion to be fair.
Like, their entire draft is lane and tempo into...
Oh, Stoiko, Stormsphere, how are we killing you, brother?
They do have some problems there.
There is still no Flare against Band Out with the Lycan.
Lycan quite good against the supports and you could buy the Nullifier later against the Necro, which is quite nice, so I don't mind the Band.
The only hero to be picked if Lager does go mid is Knight.
I was going to say Nightstalker, but like SD with ult does kind of hard counter to Nightstalker,
but like the blink and the silence during night time with your heroes could be enough to like tempo the game.
I think Nightstalker is definitely playable. I think just when you look at like the overall composition of like game religion,
the way that you want to play Nature's Prophet anyway, this guy wants to go to lanes where you can actually do stuff.
You want to open up the early tier ones, enemy safe lane, enemy mid lane.
Like you don't want to play with heroes that kind of play backwards on the map.
You definitely want to skirmish all the time.
So I wouldn't mind that.
But of course for Aurora, they need to show first anyway who goes where.
Yeah, do you have a preference on if that Necro goes against the Dazzle
and the Nature's Prophet?
Those two are forced together.
If he levels Shroud, he can go off lane.
Great.
I would probably prefer him to be off lane.
Thank you.
If he plays the Dota 2 game, he can go off lane.
I mean, there are some players in this tournament that are allergic.
Allergic to leveling the one spell into like level four or five or level it after having two deaths is like
You have this the spell that makes you like something just like dying
Yes, but they also win their series. So that's what it is
We have got a tiny coming out so it will go offline and he does play the 32 game
And it will be the tiny for the man on your screen. Well, the man that was on your screen Skeeter
Yeah, well rounded lineup from Aurora. They've just got ways to eventually deal with the pressure
They have kind of strong lanes that can survive and will eventually get to the items
And I'd like to see game Legion try and ramp up the tempo a bit
You don't want to sit back and wait until like 35 minutes to try and you know out fight Aurora with this type of lineup
You do have problems the game progressed. So it's go go go and find a hero that can slot into that
Is it the... I mean I don't... please just put Largo off then into the Tiny.
It's like your Largo will just free farm.
Yeah I'm having a hard time finding a mid hero that I like that gives you lockdown but it's also good for the game.
Okay, Largo's mid, Doom can be you.
And does the Doom...
Yeah, Doom's okay.
...warrant mid Largo.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's very good against Tiny overall.
Like Infernal Blade kind of owns in. Doom obviously is a good spell in this game.
I mean in most games Doom is good. It's just hard counters most heroes.
heroes. You're playing it into SD, which is a little bit annoying, and Nature's Prophet can cover
like for your kind of slowness, because you know, he's going to open up your tower, he can make some
moves, so I don't mind it. So no sigh required? I mean a semi sigh, I think. The thing is that the
Doom pick is so good on paper that like whatever, there's a mid-lager, like as long as fate performs
to his hero, it's kind of the equivalent of like when the divide picks up his enigma, and then
And suddenly there's like witches having to play the carry doom, right?
It's like same kind of logic here.
It's like the doom on paper, very, very good.
So as long as the paper forms, I don't really care what RCY is playing because he's meant
to just enable Fade who's like kind of the pseudo carry in this game based on his toolkit.
So I think the game of Legion, they struggled in the last game based on map setup.
Where to put their heroes, why are they making these aggressive moves?
Now it's like, it's a lot simpler.
It's like you have Tamaru who TP's into any fight, he's not an AFK Lunar.
You have asked people who wants to run into the map, fade when he has Doom, like, I need to press Doom.
Like, for game legion, the heroes kind of play themselves, and they need to be aggressive.
I do think they eventually might run into some problems with how Aurora can kite and pick off and be really obnoxious,
but, yeah, I think Fade, he has to have a much better game on this Doom compared to what they did in the last game.
Yeah, because if you look at Aurora anyway, like, this is how they win a lot of their games.
They're playing Nix with a pick-off guide, they have that with the Storm, Skeeter as well, eventually on the Tiny, he's got a blink.
So I hope that Game Religion even draft the side that they talked about the correct things after Game 1,
because they need to sync up together, play quickly.
I agree with you. If they're behind, they're going to slow bleed out on the map.
That's just how it works with Nature's Prophet.
You need to play fast, open up the map.
If you don't, they're going to get picked off on a two-minute cooldown over and over against Nix,
and they're going to take the L.
Does that mean also that if the first 10-15 minutes are not successful for Game Religion?
Is it game over? Do they have a way back in?
I wouldn't say it's game over, but it becomes quite difficult to play against a diadraft if you're not opening up the map.
They're gonna look at RC Wine and go, ugh, I wish it was any other hero.
Because my mid laner can't gank, he's just a bloody frog.
I hate mid lago guys, I'm sorry.
I don't think they could tell yet.
It's some terrible invention from like earlier in the year that...
The first time I saw...
It's just grief, so much like...
No!
Sorry, she first signed your time.
No, no, no, sorry, one second.
This is so many mechanically gifted mid laners, and then suddenly they're playing a bloody frog, like, whatever.
first time I saw him play it was against an earth spirit mid smashed it yeah
that's an earth spirit there yeah well it's a different spirit but you know
still a spirit he can smash this bird in the fight we don't know you right and
glad you guys I'm just reciprocating the handshake yeah I love the handshake
sorry I thought of the coaching to you I'll be real but we are waiting oh we're
waiting the coach to to come out and he has come out so we're heading up to
No matter who was standing by with Nangu-Syam.
Oh.
Yeah, indeed.
I mean, firstly, what are the vibes like in the booth right now?
Have the boys been able to recover after game number one?
Yeah, I think we weren't feeling any bad vibes.
We were just trying to figure out the puzzle.
Right.
The focus.
Well, what sort of conclusions then, loosely,
did you arrive at after that first game?
What lessons did you learn?
Well, it would have been nice to think about burning the brew.
But at the end of the day, I think we were happy with what we had.
We just didn't execute well enough.
And talking about execution, in this game number two,
Aurora have a very pick-off-heavy draft.
How are you planning on dealing with that?
Awareness, and I guess striking first.
We have the nature,
so it should be a draw for you early in this game.
All right, Magusu, thank you very much for coming to talk to me.
Good luck in this game as we jump into it
with OD Pixel and Fogged.
Thank you very much, yeah, ready to go here.
game two to see if Aurora can get the 2-0 or game alleging can push this to a game three,
but as we had the panel and T, you know, give us very heartfelt talk about the end there,
it is a mid-largo. We've not, it has, it's one games, you know, RCY did win with the other day,
I think, against Pipsqueak plus four with a mid-largo, but-
Did we cast that one? I think we've never casted a Largo at one.
I don't think we've, I don't know, yeah.
I think we've casted only Largo losses from the mid-lane.
Yeah, it's it's a choice here from these teams. They do love it
Maybe it's gonna be amazing this game
I hope it is because I want to see something that I've not seen before and that is yeah a lot of kind of dominate from the mid
I think they just have to play yeah besides just draft things right they'd like they just have to play it's stupid to say this
But they have to play a lot better a lot more as a team that last game first 15 minutes or so they did okay
But it fell apart so quickly and I could definitely see some lack of like just team work coming together in comparison Aurora
They were making moves together Skeeter getting involved everybody doing something well for game religion
It was just like one or two at a time one or two at a time, right?
It wasn't this whole type of synergy
So I just want to see them play more like a team speed a little carefully
You know you've got these triads. She'll be fine. And yeah, just aggressive
I think that's the name of the game for me when I see this lineup when I've seen Yandex play it
You have to play incredibly oppressive win your lanes
Thanks to pick up the map with this nature's profit and be very confident with it.
And to give a little bit of a balance to the hating on mid heroes, you know Storm's been sure.
We did see the other day that Storm had an amazing game.
But before that, we weren't the biggest fans of this all, at least this was a hero that questions were still had about.
When it came to can this spirit sort of rise to the levels of the other spirits in the patch.
It did the other day, but we have also seen on days before why a lot of teams won't touch the mid storm.
I've never really hated Storm though, right?
It just feels like something was wrong with it, you know what I mean?
You're like, you're like...
You should have quite Lago mid-thing.
Yeah, exactly.
It's just like something was wrong with the numbers in terms of damage for some situations, you could tell.
But, Stalkov looked, honestly, godly.
He did have a great game on a d2.
And when I do look at the Storm Spirit...
But Stalkov, why on his mid-Lago?
He did.
When I look at the Storm though, this game, look at the stuns.
Yeah, it's what you're looking at the Doom and a shackle shot, and that's kind of what you're looking at.
And those are... you can dodge shackle shot.
Do me as an animation you have very good ways to play around until later on so I would I would say store
This looks like a pretty s tier storm game is that with the next assassin for him to hunt in the mid game
So my concern really for my biggest concern for the side of our gamer Legion is how good of a nature's profit carry game is it?
He's versus tiny a storm and a next they're gonna be hunting it. It looks tough for tomorrow
Which picked into that next assassin so clearly they don't
Care too much about the next being able to make those set-up plays onto him.
Mera almost just dies in one heal bomb. I think the reasoning is because they want to smash the lane, right?
It's just the concept of it. It's just a mid game. If you don't smash the lane, yes, you're gonna start getting caught in speed.
It's a nice heal bomb on the WS. WS saving the skill point though has big heals.
Get another death pulse out and a blood grenade down onto speed.
Oh, Mera.
He's trading.
Pretty effectively, he's got Lotus.
Oh, the Tampon is going to be able to bring him down first. First blood here for the safe lane.
You have to get to an advantage in this lane though as we've seen the NP plus the Dazzle.
But first the Necro, Necro has ways to play around this as we say.
Skilling the W, S-22, and now a rotation, Kaori's here.
A little bit of a surprise one for Ely, not one that Tampon was going to be prepared for.
Sets up to get them to kill. Can't pick nothing.
She's going to be able to mark out the power shot so won't be able to punish WS.
WS heads up move there from Kory and they chase him out at all. His poison is starting to stack up
He's really careful that's on this does the stuff ready for Mara
Big num would try and run away WS falling low lives
But he's gonna be alright and Cory yet turn it up that rotation pick it up a double kill
That's a place so besides the nettle having ways to of course heal versus the only physical damage of this lane and dodge the damage
If he kills tree, it's also and that regen starts to come in pretty rapidly for WS as you see there
Already looking good in the lanes. Mid lane, Largo's doing okay but Storm is completely trading versus him since he's that range and has the remnants.
I think because that time to strike wasn't deep when they were trying to do so down there right, but against these necrophosers what kind of level 4 onwards unlikely to be able to kill them with this kind of nature's profit does will do us.
Yeah, just super heads up rotation really back to the Orianna top. It's kind of blocked by these illusions, they'll take a bit of extra damage but should be just fine up here.
Yeah, it's just very smart rotation. Kory, it doesn't even hurt Skeeter at all. Left in that 1v1 for a moment, gets pretty much every single one of the last hits.
Didn't have a little bit of a look over to the mid to see if they can mess around with Stoikov before he hits the 6th.
WS, they do get the refresh of the poison there.
Oh, there we go!
I mean, that's why they like to do it, this Dazzle Nature's Prophet Duo. It's a lot of burst!
I miss seeing Dazzle with these summons.
An old-school thing, I guess, is so old-school.
I mean, how we backlunting, they toss you through the brood mother with the Dazzle.
Just the big burst heals.
Such a big throwback.
I'm glad we see more Dazzle, though. It does look pretty good.
Tomorrow again.
Okay, we're ready to get it.
I'm gonna set him into the stun.
He's gonna try to teleport out,
I need to do so. WS gets the last hit too. He's gonna heal a lot.
Oh, Kuri's getting healed. Ducky's up to deny or try for it, but speed actually ends up still getting the last hit onto it.
Healbot comes out to Mera in return, so they're not going empty-handed again, allegiance. They do clean up both supports.
Good trade. Good thing that Big Nym shows up. Will be able to get himself a Lotus also too, but Tommado dying out twice in the laning phase.
And I was already kind of mentioning before to you, right?
Like, it does look that there's a lot of things to collapse on this nature's profit in the mid game.
He's TPing mid, getting active, but Storkov's hit 6.
And that's Mato.
Okay, he's alright. Oh, jeez.
I was thinking TP'd pretty deep in mid, but...
It's always a risky TP right when you're the carry next to profit trying for those early plays.
His net worth's pretty good though, in the NP, but now has to make his walk down.
Bottom doesn't want to use the TP just in case of things, but he's not ahead of the net...
He's not ahead of the net route.
It's actually just dead even between the two of them and I think every time I've seen the Dazzle plus NP they've dominated the lane so this time not the case
Now WS should be tall and look at this Kiori
Shadow Demon is like he's a bane. So if you don't double check the wisdom
He can just steal it away from you. So good thing the game religion is sending the double heroes over they know
Oh, there we go, there we go, there we go, there's a freebie.
Oh, mind that.
Nice, they'll be able to get themselves that wisdom.
I'll see what, getting some damage onto the mid tower.
It's just been left alone, Stokov refueling in the base.
Momentum will be the name of the game, I think, for game religion.
Don't want to see them really slow down too much in this game.
Splitting up is going to be kind of the worst thing for them
when they're playing versus this Nyx, this Storm,
potential early butcher travel that can come out from the neck row.
There's going to be a lot of plays around the map.
Top, they go for Skeeter here.
Alright, just to play a safe game with the TP out.
Notice that there's a high chance that
Tamada would have been looking to join that.
Very heads up TP actually.
Power rune coming out in a few seconds here.
Stike all will just shove the wave in.
See who gets lucky. It's going to be bottom or top.
They're bringing the doom, so they want to go for this kill onto the storm.
Open the backdoor.
He's through.
That's okay, Sack though.
Sacking the Nyx assassin for a three-man rotation, you still get the rune.
I think they'll take that. Stoykov also backs up, goes to the jungle.
Okay, yeah, WS. I quite like this. I thought he played after Boots of Radiance.
I actually like the Boots of Trouble because he's got the Nyx.
the Knicks right sure you're not gonna be able to TP super easy near him but he's
it's so fast that he has it so he can defend towers even early
yeah this is one of the faster ones I think we've seen oh yeah I don't think
we've seen any of the ones that is tonal good bots before the radiance have we
don't think it's pretty rare to we have this by round until we're not first in
watch all the necroforce games so Megan needs some of the other ones but uh yeah
What situations?
Oh, speaking of the earth.
Shut up. Who do you use in here?
Well, he has the Shroud and the Heal off,
but not as they do manage to bring him down.
What situation do you indeed go for the Pots first,
rather than just getting the Radiance online as soon as you can?
It just tells me he wants to be a little more active, right?
Because they've got a ganking lineup.
They've got Tiny, they've got Storm, they've got Nyx.
It is a very ganky lineup rather than a teamfight lineup, I would say.
She do want to get something out of the ganks then, because if you're not ganking before you got the bots and then the radiance, you would have rather gone for the radiance into the bots, right?
Or maybe it's just that he got it so fast and he's like, you know what, I'm just meeting, I'm gonna be all over the place. They do lack some tests.
We'll see what sort of moves we get from WS.
I'm always fine with seeing bots early when you have Nyx.
Sure, the Nyx is in level 6, yeah, it's gonna be harder from the setup always for these type of players, but...
Speaking of the Nyx again, RCY, he's going for him.
One more leg.
Something mirror might be alright.
Of course he's going to be at a hold back.
I'll see why.
Mirror's okay.
He's able to get around that tree line.
He's not enough to kill him.
Power rune.
Bottom.
It's going to be down bottom, so Stoikov will be able to have his hands on that again.
He wants to go for Alusaki's.
Not too fast.
It's just an embiss ring.
Not the most explosive for a storm.
Tomato getting to chill back now.
Pressure on multiple different lanes.
He's not even playing the lane versus the neck row. He's just jungling it up to get that item timing
How hard do they want I think they want to force this mid tower pretty hard on game religion
I don't think this is a lineup as we said that wants to really slow down too much
Want to be applying the pressure with the MP rotations. They want to try to dive Mira
Shut up
Give it a spot on them. They're trying to
They have to take it looks like it took a little too long
Tower should fall though.
Top, Fade also looks to be in a defensive positioning, so he shouldn't get caught up here.
Boring new year's around, but he'll be able to sneak away.
First 10 minutes, pretty good.
Coming in with that pressure. This is what you wanted to see with this nature's profit lineup.
His last game, they just kind of stopped doing stuff. It felt like after that like 10 to 15 minute marker.
So I just want to see them to continue to be active.
be active. And be careful how much you do split up is the important thing. They do have
very good ways to disrupt some of these kill threats that Rory does have. He can stay around
a little deep on the land on his own. Completely alone. That, okay. There wasn't really much
to stay around for. No. But he stayed there and it was a very free set up there for Stoikov
to kill him off with the help of Mera.
Because speed's not even close.
So I think the important thing, right,
is just not to get split too far away from your team.
As we said, Aurora's lineup is all about the pickoffs,
at least in this early game,
until they start to get these items coming in.
That's a pretty brutal death.
Speed.
Trying for a bit of a bait there,
didn't have fade by his side.
Power rune, Mera will find it.
All in the meanwhile Skeeter quietly farming Echo is pretty much done and then he's gonna
look to get involved a lot more with the blink and it's a pretty it's a pretty scary game
for blink looking at a lot of their heroes right pretty fragile early at least the three
of them sure do them in Largo quite tanky but the rest of them he wants to dive yeah
ready to go here with the dink quick toss though Keech fade away from Skeeter still
still will be able to close in, but time for them on.
But TP's to come through.
If you really want to ensure they get this kill off the back of the doom, they should
manage to do so.
He's going to tick down low.
They'll get Corey.
They'll will indeed finish off the kill with the doom.
They'll turn over for WS.
TP's over.
He's got the ghost shroud and the one.
Get quite the heel off.
Great angle with the shackle off the creep.
Further TP's coming in.
He'll turn with the sight.
Then he dropped down.
Get the sight.
He'll backstab back up falling though.
And now it's ToyCombie.
He's got mana left to get back under the tier two.
I'll see why thinking about diving him. It's a tier 2. He's still got man at a
play with Stokov so they cannot finish that kill. All in all though they hit the
three of them. I like it. It's a very successful group up and go once again.
Sure they lose the doom but he got the job done. Got it under the tower, got it
landed down on Skeeter and made sure that they could set up for a fighting
game allegiance favor. There we go. Liking the way that they're moving right.
These moves they're gonna get all three tier ones now, three 14 minutes can look
to continue putting on that pressure too. Just keep playing fast. Sure you don't
Do them up, but your lineup is about impressive team fights because if you do look at our roars
They're fighting as a 5v5 is a lot weaker until they do get some items online
Like the way that they surround them
Getting the poison touch to on the two of them
That's quite important because if KOR maybe gets a disruption perhaps a bit of a stall out to kill this this tiny
Could have been a difference maker
Perfect time for them to go for that though
I was WS with this build, doesn't really pose too much threat when he turns up, you know.
I mean maybe I'm just a Radiance Rush lover, but I see this sort of situation, like if
you're the Necrotipian in, you probably would have had it right instead of the Bot Scald.
He would have at least attacked the Relic, right?
My opinion is still a bit short of it.
Probably in hindsight he shouldn't have even turned up, right?
And just farmed, and they would have had the Relic finished up, but yeah, tough to call
that.
Easy to call for us from the hindsight, but for them, right, they wanted to defend the
Tier 1 and try to ensure that they could protect Skeeter.
still have a pretty good timing on it but I know what you mean. I do get what you mean.
I think if you ask some players they would have been like why the hell would you do this?
If you ask them are he probably would have been like that would have been great.
Wait nothing. Essentially a solo kill there.
A few times now they've been out of cashcow already.
And Skeeter, they'll force him away as well.
Better than last time while they're keeping the pace.
This is much better than what we saw from Game of Legion in Game 1.
And to be fair, you know, maybe that sort of switch-up that they ended up doing,
even though it went well in the lanes, maybe that did just kind of mess with the whole vibe of the team
and how they wanted to play, because they were suddenly having two people in different positions that they were not familiar with,
or at least haven't had to do, I don't think, in any of their other games, that sort of last-minute switch-up.
So, back in sort of their standard kind of form as a teammate in game two, things looking much better.
So I caught long tip, he's got a regen running.
And a side to make quick work of speed.
Now, RC Y's dangerous boots, uh-oh.
I mean, does lick off the regen, but that is a big hemorrhage.
It's a dangerous area of the map, right?
This time, you know, RC Y, through his credit, he did have speed with him.
Right, guys?
Now, at this point, even with the two of them,
a ward can still very easily deal with him.
Barton Fates gonna drop the team down.
He wants Mirrod dead.
Hell, hell.
I think, yeah, they have to be very decisive about how they do make these moves to the
Largo, because as we see, he's very vulnerable on the map.
These deaths around this mid-area, definitely going to stand a chance, and I see why he's
momentum is the mid-Largo.
Yeah, they can't make too many mistakes, it feels like, with this draft into what Aurora
has at the moment.
Because, Tommado, I'm sure he's going to be kind of calling them for them to calm down
a little bit, because he's on a great game.
The farm on this nature's profit doesn't get much better than this, Tommado smashing
it so far.
That's the other difference in this game that they have compared to last time, right?
Tamato can get involved.
Last game is a Luna, multiple fights, he's just having difficulty or joining, or maybe
doesn't feel like he wants to.
He's an NP, he's just enjoying it.
He's looking much better, and so far into a lineup where there could be difficulties
for the Nature Prophet, but so far with this advantage that he's got, he can absolutely
itemize for them.
Tamato here, 5, 2, and 7.
I do want to see the early BKB for him, though.
Lance into BKB, he's playing versus three different heroes that get right on top of him
and burst him.
It does have ways to protect itself, I think that's something important to point out is
speed versus the Necro.
Speed needs to be very good with this positioning on the Dazzle, because he can stop the Reaper
Sights, he can prevent quite a bit here as the Dazzle.
Radiance is done, WS.
Still a pretty damn good timing for him.
Absolutely, yeah, so still the second highest on the net worth.
Yeah, and it's soon going to start to accelerate pretty quickly here.
So let's see what the next move is going to be for Gaming Legion, how they want to try
to apply this pressure.
I think I did see Faye by a blink dagger, so not going for the shard build, not looking
to be that farmer on the doom, he wants to get more aggressive.
Yeah, he knows how important his jumps are, it's kind of him and the shackle shot.
He's got it Largo in the mid lane, right?
Largo just going to run in and sing in the song, someone's going to start the fight,
so he has to be the one to go to blink this game early.
Otherwise, free spell casting for Aurora.
Aurora, starting to get to the point though, whether they can actually fight in the 5v5s
also, because I would say their teamfight is a little bit weaker if you just look at
them on paper, but once they start getting these items together, that makes up for it.
They've got the blink on the tiny, Kaisan Storm, and they've got the radiance.
Ready to play, and obviously the big catch would be finding Tomato.
And Tomato is very vulnerable pre-BKB.
I'll see why.
You wanna see him?
Gonna try to quick-buzz
Hazel, gonna put him in the follow-up
And he heals our speed but not enough to save himself
Doesn't manage to allow RCY to get away from that initial jump
And then you're being betrayed between the support for in-speed
One for one exchange
So if you can get more in-game, you can straight-up the wall
Skeeter, that foul, the jump
Click on the way to be TP'd
Oh my god, the hero is trying to keep Skeeter alive
We'll be able to turn with the side-down on a paper
Skita, Aurora, not done with the fight yet though.
And that rewards RCY.
Try and run, the stone comes out, Shackle will not latch on a WS and Stoykov as they
can push on forward.
Get the double kill for WS.
This is going to be the difficulty now for game of legion.
Now that WS does have that box and the radiance, any time they try pushing into Aurora and
this Necrophos can turn up.
He can turn the fight around pretty easily.
And he is a carry.
This Necrow from the off lane this game, he is truly going to be able to scale so they
They got Skeeter which looks great right with the way that it was all going down
But they have to factor in the fact that Aurora has triple scale in course these three heroes do scale into that late game
Just in terms of yet right click prowess etc. So
Nice cliff we did see Aurora he bot's then they tried to kill the creep off
But he did boot use the blitz to be able to sure make sure that it stays alive
Looking for the link ins next on the storm. Let's go. I call looking for that extra protection. Can they find the kill here?
They've got doom
Too deep.
Yeah, not gonna go for that anymore, beyond the tier 2.
Split second from him getting the blink and the stun into the doom, they could have almost
had it there, but WS.
Just a little too quick.
Well, Mira has 8 deaths this game.
He's done this quite a bit when he does play the Nix's Assassin, he tanks the brunt of
it from his team, so you do see 13 of those kills that they have are on the supports.
And he does tend to win these games, yeah?
Right.
3-0 right now as he looks at Mira, they do always win when he's on it.
His Nixx has looked quite good. He tanks a lot of the ganks and he still does a lot even when he does get killed in these fights with the carapace.
Absolutely. That KDA can be misleading.
Alright.
The LEM is very hot.
The Tamato shows himself.
I'm not just turning immediately. I mean this is going to be the difficulty rising ages profit.
If you turn up these plays, you better be sure that no one else is allowed.
There may have multiple ways to get the jump when you all three go.
Whether it's Storm, Bull Lighting in, Skeet up Lincoln on top of you, with WS closing the gap with the Shard.
They're gonna jump you and kill you, Funkt.
I'm not sure I feel about this. Tamato went for a kill.
Oh!
Oh!
I guess, I mean, versus the Knicks, and you can see the reasoning.
You want to get the silence on him, but then you gotta see him coming up, so you gotta be having detection down already.
But, like, I can see the reasoning, versus, honestly, the Storm, the Knick or the Knicks.
There's reasons. It just, this makes him super vulnerable.
But you are the carry right?
He is.
Like that's the thing when you go for these sort of walking builds.
If you're not able to survive as the carry,
there ain't no hero in Aurora going to care about being silenced.
Alright, let's see if that pays off.
Fade, we'll find a solo grab onto Kaori.
Is there a neutral for him to deny onto?
He's going to try.
Let's get it.
Two kills?
It's going to be sort of a question of how the moments go from between now
and when Tmata has the BKB.
It's always a big question if it does end up paying off for him
and if he can find any of these little grabs.
They're going to go straight into the rush, so he might be able to play with an Aegis.
So maybe that would be the benefit of having him.
That would make a difference actually, yeah.
That's going to be huge. Tmata can get the Aegis.
That pretty much lets him get away with his aggressive build.
Okay.
Don't get me wrong, right? You look at him and you're like,
Good Orcid, but if you just get the interest pick up, you'll see a lot of times.
They start trying to play him, but they're out of pick at the bottom.
If the Shadowgrave comes out to pick them, jump forward from Fave, but got the gym still on cooldown.
There it up.
But if the Savage's play comes, he'll miss the stun.
The Orcid.
One of the two, and the champion Orcid onto the stop.
Alright, do it!
So, the Racer, Stoikov, kills him off.
He's like, they have an Orcid.
Definitely did not expect that one.
If he's not on the right, there we go.
Absolutely worth it there for the tomato taking, Racer.
gets a huge kill, gets himself the Aegis.
Orchid is probably the most high risk Hyrule War.
Like a game can go immediately downhill after spending this much on an Orchid,
but especially when you're the position one,
but Tamada, getting away with it, getting the kill, getting the Aegis,
almost certainly will keep him safe until he has the BKB done on top of it.
In fact, he might even think about skipping the BKB even more.
I said let's do it.
Full bloodthirst, let's go.
Maybe the pike in between, but I doubt it.
It might be tempting.
It might be tempting, but...
It's like, guys, I'm getting away with it.
I don't need the BKB yet.
It's best when it works.
Four minutes of ages.
When it works, right, just like that, right?
Yeah.
When the storm zips into you, it feels that much better.
Did you just find the X-Pedrox?
Because they haven't seen it, right?
I don't...
I think they... I thought they did.
Because they had killed him when he had it.
I mean, like, when he went top, so...
And I guess it's just a bit of a risky move from Spoikov.
I there is some element of save probably the disruption but still he went pretty deep
He did he did not respect the fact that there was an old kid in the game if I had seen it
Well wait for the Lincoln's for the next jump in I was I'm like sure think okay
So we were mentioning also right the lack of disables on the side of gamer Legion that might be an indicator why tomorrow did this right?
He's like guys. We have like no real stunts and catcher stone. I we need this extra element for me. So all right
Already showing it does pay off
eight three neat
He's being claimed, Aurora now more on the defensive posture until they do get the BKB
finished up at least for the Tiny.
They just have a much better game this time from Gaming Legion.
Much better macro movements, but still hemorrhaging some of these kills, especially for R.C.Y.
You know, a few of them that he did have hurt.
Speaking of R.C.Y.
K.O.R.I.
somehow finds his courier with majority of the components of the agonims.
So pretty much been done, only was 300 gold off having the point booster, so...
Definite delay on the axe.
Small things, well I say small other things to point out.
It's 24 minutes and Mira has a greater healing lotus.
That's a lot of the lotuses that have spawned at this point. They've got one on the storm.
One of the best ones to carry it too.
Keep eyes on that one for the next move potentially. Of course,
Doom will prevent the land at healing if it is on one of those targets, but...
Could be a difference maker too
Yeah, Lincoln's very close for a story coach of 500 gold. He will probably wait for that BKB
So he's gotten away with it. Yeah, complete gotten a good kill
Yeah, pretty much all it was but I'd say he's tempted to not buy it
You know, I mean if you if you've gotten away without the BKB so far. Do you really need to buy one now?
No, you don't exactly there's my man
There we go, I love it
Now no BKB though.
Nah, he's gonna go to death some day.
It's a slasher too, like when you do look at it.
I thought you might actually just replace the wand anyway with the BKB, but either way.
Smoke up Aurora, looking for the fight.
And PA just over two minutes, but not everybody has disengaged out of this area.
Hading them.
We'll be able to sneak himself away.
Tier 1's still alive.
Both of them, right? Mid and bottom.
It's allowing a lot more opportunities for GamerLegion to play on the map, and for Mirateff's difficulties to find them and pick them.
And we got full bloodthrown. That's got to be the fastest bloodthrown we've ever had.
Probably one of the only ones we've seen at this point. No one's really buying it this early.
They're setting up for the D, so I call if the Lincolns is there, but they have ways to break it.
They do. They can call with us.
He's gonna play force, just to get away from the tower before further TP's coming.
I'm still gonna try and jump forward. We'll see Stoikov.
I see a fighting fade off the side, they're gonna get the Colt, they've got one of the two in the fade, he's out, great cut's in!
The save will be there!
They'll get him out of the side, Mirastille has a lot of the stun off towards him, Stonkov's still got a lot of the zip for it!
He's sure that they can bring down Vayne, out of the speed, a great toss for Skeeter, in on top of Tamar!
Uh oh, he has no BKV, I'll win.
But he's got a bloodthorn early on, there's four.
Ah, there's three, there's only gonna be outside, there's one of them.
And it's my kind of build, folks.
But uh, yeah, he's uh, uh, dead, uh, three dead on Game of Legion.
I was hesitant to go to Orc if it worked. I'm very, I'm super skeptical on the bloodthorne.
I don't know. Okay, but that's a lot of momentum they just lost.
From their biggest hero as well. Tomato listens. He was in a great spot. He still is, you know, second highest on the net worth.
But uh, a risk is called a risk because it's a risk.
Yeah, that's, yeah, definition of it indeed. I think just go back now farm the BKB.
They still can take fights if he had it, but that...
I'm almost like that hurt you.
Certainly 4k jump up in a barrage for Aurora.
I think they lost.
Any game where Game and Legion did have that momentum, they had that lead, and they needed it.
I think they lost literally every bit of momentum that they had after that.
Because now you look at them, you click on the Nature's Prop and you go,
guys, we can just haul in them for the next five minutes until they have the lead.
I forgot the heroes to haul in on them.
They really do. They jump in. They have probably some of the best to do so.
Well...
Speed, good luck with your positioning, you have to be perfect to protect the safe from the...
He's gonna try and save them all.
He just needs to damage the Tamarot, don't show up today, BKB.
Like you said, you know, you can see the appeal of the Bloodthorn after the Orcid, but the Orcid was already greedy and then he like doubled angst on the Greed.
Which is, again, if we're setting it for risk anyway, but there's always...
Even more so at risk when you're doing it at a point where when the enemy calls, have picked up their BKBs and their Lincoln.
Suddenly, the chances to play with that full aggression are limited.
Nice dodge.
Watch.
BKB off and still trying to fight back.
Okay, that's what BKB itself is.
Let's not be able to finish leader off.
Skeeter is perfectly fine.
The game continues to crumble for Gamer Legion.
If the NP wasn't into so many counters,
like, just literal hero counters,
yeah, I don't know, whatever.
I don't want to keep harping on it.
That's if we're going to hurt them
for these next few moments as Aurora.
They've gleaned everything on.
It was 2K lead for them.
Now it's up to a 6K plus experience as well.
as well. It is difficult for you to show on the map now until you do have it. But when
they do have it, I want to see the fight. BKB with Doom, BKB with NP, get the BKB on
RCY and look for that engagement. It's leveled up so much more now because the Lincolns
is done. On top of the Lincolns, Stoyka now has a Witchblade. That was his only death,
was to that Orcid reveal.
I'm likely to be happening again the items they've been able to build up
WS now at the fourth heart. He's massive on the neck before it's a great time here
We'll jump immediately after the mark
We can get over the zip because he's going to go up four since we have a grave himself they put the bkp
He doesn't kill any of them, Skeeter gets away with a fragment of HP.
Nice disrupting save from Kaori.
Yes, he died in for more.
Only getting the Nyx assassin there, only getting Mera.
Did they end up using the healing Lotus? I think they did.
Stoykov and so pumping himself up as well.
I don't think it shows the damage recap. There's another catch.
That's rough to get caught there. 70 seconds dead here, Tomado.
That gap will continue to grow between M and WS, WS just zooming ahead.
K, already dropping the voice line. Starting to feel very confident in these last few moments.
Guys, I will kill W, best hit just chill, just chill, okay?
I'll kill it up.
Alright, he's playing Broomaster again.
Yeah, WS is very confident with his calls.
It was last game and we're seeing again why it can be this game.
game very much you know you can see a play out in that fire out had WS was
indeed sort of keeping them controlled and chasing the back of the tier two
while the rest of Aurora kind of sought themselves out behind him so WS with
some strong cool strong plays this game this series. And Aurora truly
understanding their draft now at this point WS walks in gives info the storm
jumps to down to every fight and this time not even the down road will find the doom here is on him and it's looking rough. Yeah it's snowballed out of
control now. They had something going at the start. More so than last game as well.
Yeah, I'm a legion, but again it's not really going anywhere now. It's a tough game for Skeeter
in terms of maps that he was against, and now it's just really falling apart. Fade also having
a very tough game on the dooms. Not that farmed. Some of these dooms that we have seen have been
incredibly farmed. This one might be one of the poorest. He did have to go to Link to sacrifice
himself because of those Argo things. That was close! Literally lives because he's on
strike trides I think. If he was on edge I think he dies. Oh my god. Why, BKB ain't
even protecting him now at this point. Yeah, wow, Fade has really fallen off a cliff in
this game. Level 16 compared to like 19, 20, 22's of all the rest of the course too. Just
really having difficulty finding entrances now. And perhaps for me and you another game
with the poor mid-largo. I don't know, maybe it's us. Maybe it's us.
Destin's kind of cursed these poor mid-largo players that when we set sights on them they
just don't seem to have a fun time. No. You know, his KDA is not bad. He's doing his thing.
But it's just we've seen RC1 be so much more flashier than pretty much any of them in here.
There's only so much you can do running around as a frog.
Oh, fate again.
Now at this point, right, when map control has fallen apart, you've lost your towers.
Mira just has entry to everybody, and there is always that follow-up.
I actually thought WS was going to do it decently, like, relatively early boots of travel too.
I feel like he could have, with Mira, so they can look for the double plays, but doesn't need it.
Just going for the walk-in, team fight items.
Brush time.
Now what's the next big pick, really?
Actually, Tamato has to go even more aggro now. Yeah, I like this.
I saw Q'ing up some more defense. I just go full Hydro Breath.
Mag you need to have just as much damage as possible.
possible
And so I got to making the storm work again 7-1 and 12 versus limited disabled see dive once first at the orchid
And that looks like it might just be the only one
Here that we've seen struggle
Mira toying with them
Goes through the fakes goes through the portal they pop it does they pop a scan
Getting in their head.
Now it's gone.
Hosing in on the base here Aurora.
Radiance middle tower is under attack.
Spoke up here.
Get him a legion medicine if they can catch Skeeter.
This would be a really nice one if they read the move, he ends up going right, so he reads it.
They did know that they were playing on that gate from earlier, right?
When Mira was doing the fake through plays, he knew exactly where they were positioned.
Look where the lines are drawn, so they're actually expecting them to have checked that top side.
Mira's gonna go check it out.
He said, don't worry guys, I'll die again for you.
I have 10 deaths, if I die again, it's perfectly fine.
He's going to check it out up here.
Even give them some more.
It's a nice sneaky one using the quality blade to cut the tree to put it in that position.
Aurora's macro game, just better.
Throughout both of these games as we've seen.
There's the boots travel too.
Now WS can't start to port in onto the Knicks and look for the duo solo kills.
And they do see RCY and he does not know they see him he has a gem, but that's sneaky ward that was just placed. Oh
no Largo
Farewell my friend
The gem at least gets returned to the base and she does die there the dial to T.P.
Yep, some small, very small server lining.
Speed.
We'll go now.
Yeah, Makro reached just Mira.
Knew exactly that they were going to do some type of plan up there.
Gets the ward up.
Prepared for the team to go for the snag.
And yeah, the backup plan does not seem to be there for Gamer Legion.
Favre looking for something here, WS, just runs away, rejoins his team.
They surround them top lane.
We're ready to take that final tier 2 away from game religion.
They start knocking on the front door, they've got Aegis for another 2 minutes.
Don't see how the team fights work for game religion at this point versus how tanky everybody is now on Aurora.
They pop a banner, they pop a cliff, they're even keeping the mid-wave alive while going
for this push.
Could be the final fight.
See what we can do, Dan.
Can they pull together a team like that?
24k down.
I see why.
Sing your song.
Let's see what we can do, Dan.
Can they pull together a team fight then?
24k down.
I see why.
Sing your song.
I'm just starting to sort of start to go in here.
I'm just going to control one of the Storm.
That's the Aegis out.
Raxagon though.
Different round two, they do get the start with this destruction coming at the goal.
He comes in with the save.
So he can't able to zip away from any potential threat of a doom.
K.O.R.I. I think that's like the third or fourth time he's been able to bail someone out of a potentially dangerous scenario.
And they just get the Rax for free.
Well I said for free, it's their ages that was expiring though.
So they can back up reset can look to play it safe if they want to for the next rush, but I don't imagine they will
Can look to close this out quite soon
WS with ridiculous levels of farm 33,000
Might get the one K himself
Yes, I'm gonna get close
Absolutely massive on a Necrofoss. An Necrofoss right that was first pick.
Yeah, that is true. It was a first pick one. How much she's been able to get.
So many extra pickups as we said. Taking out the Raxx. And Scotty now for the storm continued to get the growth.
Skeeter went for the AC earlier just to have to push. She doesn't need to have the data less.
She wants to just be able to siege. At this point they know they have more than enough of the NP.
And for Gamer-related Engine, yeah, just not too much growth to motto.
He had to go for the pike for the fight, and then now he's gone for the crit, so didn't
get to go for the Hydra's Breath.
Fade looking for an angle to go for Skeeter, but I think I've seen Fade at the same net
worth also for 15 minutes.
Hasn't been able to find much of anything.
I think he's had Blink, BKB, Drums, and Shard.
Yeah, since that like, what, 25 minute mark or so.
They just sort of wait for Aurora to come towards the base again, or can you try and smoke out,
catch them, split up?
They want to try to, but uh oh, Kamado, BKB, Lotto, TP.
It's too hard to get out.
Yeah, sure, they want to, but they don't have an Ex-Assassin.
They don't have that same type of heroes to go for this type of setup.
They have a mid-argo and a dazzle, so it's just a much more defensive type of posturing.
And baiting them.
Very dead.
What's up, guys?
Why don't you just...
You're closing your Reaper.
Oh, that's just me.
No, this is not even worth it.
He's like, I will only Reaper the NP.
Or a core, I guess.
80 seconds, can wait, can take any fight, or at this point now, far too strong.
Do not lose these kind of games.
Yeah, just looking at the level disparity, right, besides just the gold, 2018-22 on
the course compared to 27-25-25 of them hitting these peak timings.
Oh, and a dream for Stonkov.
All right, this is where you take the fight it's got the arcade. He's got the DD and damage whatever you call it
And they pull together a defensive game elite
31 30 K go behind
Davis is done. It's gonna step up in the right click
He's got to be able to stand his ground and turret for a very long time in the fight
Has some big HP pulls to get through
Aurora, looking to get the sneaky jump.
I see why I might get changed on.
Oh no, how could he pop you?
Oh, you got a BKB jump.
That feels pretty good.
I'll have to do something.
See what?
Gets his runes licked off.
The hold a little longer. The racks will fall though so there's another melee that's claimed.
Bro, it will be a bit of a longer spawn.
Aurora might just linger in the area for the fight.
Mira just waiting right outside if anyone does show.
Come on, WS, farm that little bit more. You're so close to having 1k.
1k per minute.
What's he at now 945 it's continuing to grow pretty quick so he is likely to hit
that point.
There's a roach coming up in a minute and a half. Yeah they'll probably just play to
save.
The emiles is on the way out. They find themselves outside but the base is
already getting pushed in and nobody's showing so this could be pretty scripted.
Skeeter gonna walk in front of Skolakov to protect.
Skolakov will reveal, and he jumps away.
Aghanim's was finished up from Fade just then too, so they would have maybe had a chance to bypass these Lincoln's, but nope, Aurora.
Very aware.
Skeeter might jump here outside. Two heroes did show for a second.
big note careful very bad trying to get the lanes out
the
Look at the war two, here a deep one.
Oooooooh, and tomorrow he's gonna be cameo.
WS is under the dude.
He's gonna turn it down on him, but the disruption comes in.
Can they finish him?
They can't. Nope, he gets out.
It was a decent effort, but they couldn't kill him.
Asked him why he's trying.
He is deep.
He's just running into the five of them.
And as BKB has come to an end,
As the dude is caught by the 4-6 they get the shackles onto the boat for them.
It's enough to help them pop the storm.
Can they get much more? They do get there, so alright, a couple of kills.
It was Aurora diving toward the fountain for that play and they will lose two for it.
It's going to push them back. It's going to push them back. Get them an extra minute to hold here, game of legion.
Ho ho ho ho!
There's certainly something.
Considering that down 31k gold right now.
Yeah, you'll take that.
Aurora will probably go, alright, let's just wait for the Roche then.
If they're gonna play like that, we're not gonna go for the dive plays again as much.
That's the beauty of climbing the Dazzle at least,
when they're diving your base, you're gonna get the free spell cast.
They're gonna smoke and look for that Roche.
Storm, 60 seconds.
Can they, I feel like you just go into the pit and try for it, right?
You can take a pretty quick with the damage.
I think you just kind of kind of YOLO at this point.
Now they just TP in on the NP and just go for the rush and hope you can get it in time.
They're gonna try. I mean they will kill it.
Oh Kaori!
Let me carefully get by back of course if he's dead he's dead for a long time.
He's got teammates coming over.
I don't know if they're gonna be able to save him though.
Kaori!
Trapped in the tree and sees a gong.
Well CWS jumped forward and resigones to Tamarid.
Tamarid's getting loosed and he tries down his ground
and he'll up with the attempts to finish up the Roshan.
I'll see what we're trying to do there since we're waiting to monitor him and finish the Rose.
Get the pick up.
He's got the Aegis.
Now the chase continues every game of Legion.
I'll see why I'm fading off top of Skeeter.
Do they have vision? I don't think they had enough close enough.
I'll see why we're back in play.
They'll pick up the rest, backline Mira.
They might still get Mira on top of this.
Slow down upon him.
Spike Carapus not gonna save him.
Fades in with the jump.
Absolutely signs of something here.
They got the Roach shot, they get the Aegis, they get a couple of support kills.
Stoikov has respawned, can they all disengage?
Looks like they should be able to.
Not bad.
Yeah, pretty crazy that they're getting away with this, whilst they're as behind as they
are.
Tamato grabbed the refresher, I think, and popped it immediately.
Okay, yeah.
I think he was just trying to make space in his inventory for the Aegis.
At least it's something.
Big purchase is still coming out Aurora. I think a Wind Waker is now grabbed from WS
who has an extra way to be able to rinse himself out. The Hex pickup though from Bignum is
going to be big if you can get a good connection. So you do see it again. Yeah.
And good sort of cool front tomato. Had just got the safe down, picked up. Doesn't waste
any time trying to chase outside of the pit. This point pretty much ignores the fact that
WS is there and is just focused on finishing the Roche,
healing up with the Satanic and ensuring that they do get those pick offs,
knowing that the rest of the team can easily hold back the remainder of Aurora,
especially considering Thor's the storm.
He's already dead, does not have any chance of playing into this Roche-Han fight.
Thank you, Alphoris is actually kind of important too, right?
It was preventing WS from just riding into the pit on top of the Nature's Prophet.
I didn't even really consider that one to protect, so...
And Big Num now does have a hex, so some extra forms of control.
But with all that damage right, it's Tomato.
He's now has that secondary life, has the 25 talents as well.
Skeeter I think also did just pick up a full satanic though and storm that with a full
agonim so still some more growth that we did see from Aurora.
Shaking up a little bit though.
Is Aurora, do you now just point for that Aegis to expire, I guess you just don't want
to take any risks?
Unless Mira finds a pick off, right, you just have a Nick's assassin, it's up to him to
look for those picks before they go for the base push, and I'm sure they're telling themselves
right now, why didn't we just play it safe, why'd we dive for the fountain, why didn't
we just go for the Vrosion, play it super safe.
Still in a very comfortable spot.
35 soon they're gonna all die to me
I think
Feeling confident in hitting that level 25. It's no far off at RCY. The damage does go up quite a bit and he does have the conjurers
He didn't sound the most confident either in fact he said I think at the end of it
If he had just said the first sentence then we would have been very confident
Still not easy by any means for this Largo.
Now Ron is just going to full chill here.
Yep, just waiting for Aegis.
So that Aegis expires on Tomado.
Only 100 seconds.
They're getting close to level 30 and he is getting close to 1000 gpm too.
Still very, he's been inching on it.
can game a legion make do something before the ages has gone of course they'd like to
but the fact that the double right two lanes are constantly pushing in the next assassin
is scouting on it it's just hard for them to get out it's impressive that they were
able to even get over to that rush bit after the sequence so they just hope for the base
defense hope that tomorrow can get to that next potential rapier that would be the way
way for them to turn it.
Final minutes so...
25.
Longitude. He does have it.
Damage has gone up dramatically.
Have to keep him alive
as well, so speed.
Does have two lives. How's the buybacks actually looking?
The majority of them have it. Just the Windranger that doesn't.
Gonna smoke up. How long on the Aegis? Still 30 seconds.
Only 30, so not a huge amount of time to try and strike whilst they have the second life on Tamada.
Maybe trying to catch them off guard around a power rune.
But Aurora not caught off guard. Very in position and ready for this move.
Scan comes out Mira will break the smoke
And the player comes in, will be furred up in the air for now.
He'll want to heal himself up with the Saint-Teddy-Kannau.
An avalanche comes in again, takes Tamano out.
Aurora and the surround speed.
And I'll see why to clean up the team-wise.
If they weren't at such a deficit, to be honest,
you could see it kind of coming together there,
but the fact that there are 30,000 behind,
Bi-Vax come in, Stoikov gets the cleanup.
Because that damage from the Largo
was definitely starting to build up.
for the heels, but yeah, just too much for them to go through.
I've got one more fight left in them, but I'm not sure.
This is a first-person battle, big number.
But that shows we get back into the action.
Storytime?
Number four.
It's the Portex on the move for them.
Tomorrow, we'll try a force fight to save them.
They'll be the Grave Mountain to RCY.
As the Grave will come to an end, RCY might be no longer the heels.
It's a lot of heels, actually.
And Aurora is overall their macro play still looking very solid when they do want to take
these fights. But yeah, the
first 20, 25, 30 minutes or so
of we're looking a lot better,
just, yeah, some of these fights
have to be very decisive when
you're going against this triple
scale and core in WS.
An absolute space in this game.
Yeah, absolutely owned this game
here on the Necrophos. The first
pick Necrophos as well. 17, 2,
and 14 there for WS.
We got a couple of gyms from
that one. We got to just chill.
I'll kill them all from WS when
we had a fantastic game, but
maybe my favorite is they're all
all get an eye to me. I think guys. Absolutely inspiring. Um, well, this is why I don't have
the frog guys. I'm gonna put it out there. It was almost good. Sure. Um, yeah, so I feel
like you're gonna glance over that. Yeah. Anyway, next. So I think props, the game of
Legion. I think the early game, they understood the motions that need to go through there
because of clutch and their heroes across the mountain, putting these little partnerships
play, but the problem is because Dota is such like a wide map with so many options to play the
game out now that you can't simply just like tempo your way to a win unless you're a Yandex,
you kind of feel like you hit a brick wall and let's be honest, RCY, he had two or three random
deaths in the mid lane when he was by himself. There was multiple fade rotations that didn't
click on dunes and Tomado was a little bit like Lackaster I think in that kind of mid game,
so between the three cores they all hit a brick wall. I can't really do my job very well,
How do I really do it? Let's just wait until we hit level 25 on the probe.
It's such a weird mid game from Gameriz.
Yeah, because I actually, so Aurora played well I would say after maybe 20ish minutes.
I think Gameriz's early and mid game was actually quite good,
but they still have this problem where in some moves they're like overusing one guy.
I think Fate is like a little bit on the farm, there's a highlight earlier where
like he jumps into a lot of heroes and he's like 500 gold away from BKB, maybe 600 gold.
If there's one move he had not joined earlier where he just gets to farm
two waves and a camp, then you have a BKB and you can make that move together.
Tomato also, that Bluffhorn is one of the worst carry item choices I've seen in this tournament
and usually I'm quite impressed with Tomato. So I think still you know that he's standing in or
he's like the new guy for the team so you know they need a little bit more time but what I want
to focus on I think Aurora it's really coming together. Like Stoikov and Skeeter the way that
they're slotting in currently it just looks really good in every game apart from like was it day one
It's just good, but the thing is like when you look at like they're doing the same thing every game
It's not as if like every games like a new identity was like wow
Story comes doing this and now he's gonna do with that
It's like no he is playing a storm or a leaner
Maybe the slack is the caveat to all of this but like he has his hero pool skitter has his hero pool
They know exactly what they're doing and they are just being just an absolute
Menace the entire time and yeah, of course as you see from the the graphic WS on his offline necrophosite
He was the two carry in this game ending with 49,000 net worth 17 to 14 on the hero
Like he just took over the entire game
And I think the problem is there was no point where game a legion with the early aggression
They reliably shut down here. So you can see from the graph like it was just a constant up trajectory
There was no down points. There's no stalling out his game. He was just insane on the necrophos
Yeah, and maybe even more insane. He was overall first pick you'd imagine that at that point
game. And I think the game
is really important. Game
religion has something that
will. Yeah, Humber's
gameplay a little bit. He
leveled out at level three,
but he did play the door.
Again, he did pay the door to
game. Yeah, but they still
like fresh at him earlier, but
I think eventually they did
just kind of fall flat, and I
would again go to the fact that
in my opinion, it's a little
bit more gameplay related than
draft draft can make it easier.
Of course, but game.
Allegiance will have to work on
their overall mid game and how
to use their heroes. Yeah, and
of course, we didn't even touch
game and still has a 100% win rate on his next assassin here, this Valakia also has two
rings to his finger, it's Mera who's standing by with no man.
That's indeed one of the two-time winners in this team, I'm here with Mera.
So this new team coming together, do you still feel like you're just playing like very good
individuals or a thing starting to match up as a team?
Not really good, because we had a lot to do, but we were trying to find this energy, so now we're just playing as a player, solo, I think it's not really good, but we still have a lot to do as a team, but it's so far so good, I think.
For the first tournament?
first woman absolutely I mean you guys looking better every time we see you
what's it like playing with Skidder though because you guys have been against
each other for a very very long time he's been your enemy on that stage more
times than you can count so what's he like and maybe how is he different how
you expected I mean he's on the same way that I mean like expected and he's
He's a super nice guy, he's super amylic friendly, and he's amylic open-minded to listen to my amylic ideas or to my comps, so it's super chill and nice to play with him.
And yeah, that's a bit different from the other.
I think, um, I mean, like the carries cost like the carries are, I mean, like usually so I mean, like self, I don't know, self, I mean, like, not the var.
They just like listen to them like themselves and skitter is different in this way.
It's so nice to play.
Seems nice and sounds nice as well.
Um, and then another one of your teammates WS as we heard in the comms, um, very vocal in the fight.
Shall we say some certain choice words there?
Um, is that what it's like all the time with this guy?
Unfortunately, yes, he's super emotional guy, he's screaming and yelling,
just to go, go, go, kill those guys, but not this word, but something else.
He's always trying to chase the opponents and stuff,
and then trying to find balance to these emotions that gives them energy.
and then we like dive and die, you know, sometimes you need to find balance for this,
but it's fun to play for sure with this guy.
He definitely seems like a fun teammate, that's for sure, yeah.
Well, all that fire is certainly interesting to see and, yeah, finally, my last question,
you're Nick's assassin, you haven't lost on this hero yet, you make it look amazing.
Why aren't other teams picking up this hero?
Last game, maybe, I mean, like, not so amazing because I mean, like, opponents like were super ready for this, so it's, I mean, like, propped to them, they, like, put good, I mean, like, centuries, and they just were, I mean, like, waiting for me for my spots, and it was hard to play, really.
It was, I think, I mean, like, my, I mean, like, worst game on Nix so far.
But, like, overall, it's like, good hero, I started to play it because, like, I got, I mean, like, item from TI.
Yeah, and now, I mean like it's like, the milk playable here for me.
If it's purple item, it's much better.
I see, so you can only play Nyx.
More damage, more like everything, you know? Yeah, just this one.
I see, so you can only play Nyx if you have the expensive TI item.
Sure, sure, of course.
Alright, well Mira, thank you so much for coming to talk to me.
Best of luck in the rest of the tournament.
Looking forward to seeing you play tomorrow.
We'll send it back to the panel.
I don't even know where to start playing next. It started playing next
because he got free. And to be honest, I read it. That's cool. I would say I understand. It's also looking good. Even his worst game
apparently still win. His new carry is very open.
He's got a lot of ways to say that.
Yeah, so maybe I don't know who's referring to but I think it's the idea of carry players being open-minded like he loves that in skater
Not about other people. Yeah, not at all. Not at all. There's no recent ex teammates that you know
Yeah, no, no back to you. That's not from we know. No, no, I wouldn't know
No, and it's also good to know the WS, you know that the snippets that we heard that's not an anomaly
That's just how he is. Yeah, that's just every third sentence
I write that because like the team's like falcons. They got so used to like the comms must be like go back like
Discipline don't have emotion like we need to perfect two words two words done
And then like you hear the thing do is like, I'm fucking kill them. It's like, oh, I like this
I want more of this guy. That's good. My main concern with that is that if the game is not going well
And he's not doing it doesn't it completely change the vibe of the team, you know, we fucking love
I'm going to be a little bit
more aggressive. Oh, yeah.
All right. Well they did win.
They got themselves to owe.
They stay in the upper bracket.
Don't worry. Game religion is
not out. We'll talk more about
them, but we'll talk about them
in the lower bracket and not
today because it's time to make
space for two more teams that
are also in the upper bracket
and still have to play against
each other is Jannex versus
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This is the first round of the
upper bracket and it is not
really something that I expected
to see in the first round of the
I'm not sure if you're going to
get a chance to get it. If you
were to ask me a week ago, but
after seeing some of the
performances of one win, it
makes sense. They do make it
top eight, but they scraped by
Yandex on the other hand, three
and O easy breezy. Only one
game. A little rough could be
potentially because there was a
Mars in the game. But overall,
we got ourselves quite a treat
because I think Teg of this is
this is some some cool history
with the teams as well. Yeah,
for sure. I'm just a bit
I'll repeat it
I'm really surprised. This is very cool. No, it's just like what why are they here?
Like of course, you know one win with Chad
You know having to fit into the sub like hasn't really worked out as well as maybe other standings could have gone
But yeah, I think just I'm yeah. Wow. Why why what what surprise you guys more?
Is it just one W being here because yandex isn't that surprising?
Yeah, this thing is I will answer this because you know you can all they copy the answer
I mean, we've seen shot standing for this team before when they were still thunder and they did do good. They did okay. They were maybe not a zero or a three zero team, but they weren't this rocky. And I feel like this time around, it doesn't just come from shot the rockiness.
The fact that they have a stand in short, that is a handicap, but it's more than that. It has to be more than that. I would agree. I think shot is a bit of a scapegoat right now.
maybe for the community when you look at them, because pre this event, even pre TI during TI, they still just looked average.
And when you look at the team, the roster, what they have, like they're meant to be a team that's like, they're fighting for grand finals, fighting for the trophies.
And I think ever since they've joined onwind, they're kind of like, yeah, like, okay, they're a team, cool.
But like their daughter doesn't feel as inspiring as the likes of the Yandexes and insert all the other teams that maybe are on that kind of ultra tier one level.
Yeah, and like the thing is like their supports need to do better because when you're playing against Yandex, like the thing is,
You need to step up your gameplay.
If you've looked at this tournament and what this team is doing,
they beat their opponents in like no time.
Like sure, they won against Maus, you know, they drop a game, something happens, like whatever.
But the thing is, when Yandex get the heroes that they want, you know, like some nature's prophet with some dazzles,
the amount of time they take to win a best of three is like a joke.
And honestly, when you just overall think of how long the games generally go with like,
you have 50 minutes for a game here or a series takes four hours,
They beat two teams that are still here in under an hour in a best of three.
This is incredible.
I've heard that turbo games are last longer than the whole series and for Yandex in series.
Yes.
It is insane, especially, I think, more maybe towards the Navi side of the setup,
because Navi has a bit more kind of tier one experience.
We're about to fight against Yandex, but yes.
Yandex with the right draft, with the right form, they break down the map so beautifully
that if you are one win, you cannot have a day of instability.
You cannot have a shadow on a spectre going by.
You're going to have BZM on a playmaker that can't get kills.
You can't have 33 playing the side camps, but not scaling.
Like, you need to play your best dota against Yandex.
You really do.
And we touched upon that support that they have to make the moves,
but a lot of it also has to come from maybe that mid lane.
And that is maybe where these two teams are most even
if we look at Shira Junior and BZM.
Yeah, for sure.
I think Shira Junior is here for so far in the tournament,
is quite small with only four heroes,
but all four heroes are big playmakers.
the Earth Spirit, the Earthshaker, the Monkeying Sand King. They play their mid, sometimes
they have winning matchups. Otherwise, it's half an item, go crazy, run around the map.
And I think that is going to be the key piece of the puzzle right now for one win to try
and take the fight to Yandex. What is BZM going to play? He found some form of DK recently.
I think it's like 4-0 on the hero. He has dabbled with the Shaker and the Earth Spirit,
of course, but I think if there is a mismatch in tempo from these two players, that could
be the first undoing of one man. Like they need to be ready for the speed in which cheer
junior sacrifices himself on the map to make opportunities happen.
And it's also like generally just how it is right now, right? Like you mid does so much,
but it's not just them. They need their supports. And this is why I generally think that today
one win has to look to step it up with their subs, you know, white mon and Ari, but also
others. Like maybe you can have some heroes that look more into the smith and that also
help, you know, 33 showing up to the eight minute rune and just being there. But when
comes to heroes this is one thing I do like 33 is I think he's on like a upward trajectory again
on playing heroes where he can take over games his timber his doom and at the same time when you
play against yandex either timber needs to be banned or you need to take it yourself yeah yeah
Amar has shown that uh it's back it's back on top with the hero because the necro foes in return
on the side of yandex with its potential there too very nice response picked the timber so if it is
is going to be a carry Necro into the Timber, you just follow it, and even if it's not,
it's just a mage casually playing it in the off lane, you are just going to throw up the
game, be a thorn in the Timber's side, like if you join the fight on half HP, Necro will
just instantly kill you for your Scythe, so just a lot of like management required between
the two heroes. I would say that in regards to the bands, against Yandex, these three
bands, like you have to do them, like with bounty hunter, I think certain teams just
can't play the hero, obviously with Scythe, you have to, so it is quite interesting that
some of the better heroes that we've looked towards going, maybe you let them through
against Yandex, don't even question it, you need to let through all the other shenanigans.
And with this being the first time that Yandex picks up the Necrophos, this Velakia, is there
any play in particular that sticks out? I know it's a flex pick, but is there anybody
that we'd want to play the Necrom?
No, we just saw what WS could do with the hero, top net worth taking over the entire
game like if you have an off laner that can sit in his area of the map farm up
every wave every jungle camp and just pretty much be like just explosive
through farm that's what you want to mark to be on it's also it's one of his
favorite heroes I think also what's nice for them is because their second pick
obviously towards the end they always have ultimate choice if it lanes against
the timber they'll also be incredibly happy so I think it honestly just
depends on what these guys can get their hands on because when Amar gets some
24 viper against Navi he makes him GG out in 18-19 minutes if he gets a
pick like that he'll swap it up ain't no problem. No 100% is a treat to have that ability to be
flexible but as long as your supports and your mid create opportunities you can be flexible. I think
teams have tried to flex and oh we can beat the Slark with the Enigma we can flex this to that
it's like but if your foundation of your draft isn't stable, flexibility is like the worst thing
you can do. So for Yandex of course coming into this phase you'll probably see like the hoodwinks
and these type of heroes to just provide a little bit more stability to light up.
I think even like maybe some Windrangers could be quite nice if you want to like,
we saw it in the last series right, there was a 13 pick Windranger, it can be your carry,
it's quite good against September if you want to have that, it can be a good 4-2 also for
Saksa, he's very you know good on this hero and other heroes that are still open that we also need
to keep in mind is like an Ember Spheras. Oh yeah, I mean that's why the Slash is banned, yeah.
Then now it depends, so wondering what do they want to do you know against the Ember, I think
something they've tried before it's like we've seen the OD into the ember I don't think it beats it
hard enough so there's like other options Jiro Jr will also want to show us the monkey king
maybe that's something you want to do yeah I think normally in these scenarios they put the like
bees in sometimes defaults to like the shaker just like the mean doesn't really match up I don't
think I like it though I could see a world where he's got like blank kaya no big kills and he feels
a bit disconnected from the game I mean the main thing is I think Yandex has responded to Timbersaw
with two cores that don't really care about Timbersaw. They have ways to kite back, ways
to just eat through the initiation. It's not like, wow, the best Timbersaw game.
Yeah, they do go for the techies, which they've played quite a lot. Whitemon is, I would say
it looks like one of his better heroes in this tournament. He had a game on Ringmaster where
he looked a bit uncomfortable, even though just a few months ago he was like one of the
best ones on that hero. So I like that they do take this one. And I think just generally
when you think about Ember obviously he will have a lead up stun you know whether it's
some the dragonite or some monkey king or the earth shaker that you mentioned which
honestly I think it would be okay or at least I don't have one that like really stands out
more than the others but they also might just wait for it to be picked on 18 pick some are
a hero here that makes you feel more chill I just want to see ari on a hero that can
like pair with the techies or that you grab both heroes together okay they don't want
show it as if yet I guess the problem for Ari is like the only hero that I want
to see him if I win ranger or hoodwink but they're not like wow in the point of
draft they already see the ember so there's I you know what museum take the
DK that you we know that you want to lane into yep we'll see what cause coming
and then we'll you know 50 50 one of the support that I was gonna go for
also that you do have just two beefy boys into a necrophos if the game does
prolonged, BKB usage and positioning would be very important.
Ooh, early Rubik.
I'll say early, because I kind of feel like there's nothing spectacular to steal yet.
It's decent in terms of like, just you just have follow-up damage, which is nice, like
stealing some pure damage or brief fire, stuns, techy spells, taser also, like, I don't think
it's decent here.
I don't think it's even about the spells though, right?
Like, one wins initiation, it's like, oh single target, like the Timbersaw is the jump
on the guy, the DK is the jump on one guy.
Rubik's List is shard, you list them out, the fights now, pretty much over for one win, the initiation and BKB usage will already be half used under a single Rubik's List, you pair that with like a witch doctor hill, a glimmer cape, fable damage reduction, the one win might have damage problems if the supports are in the right place at the right time.
You also got Ember can remnant back, of course, Nekra Force has insane healing if he's not
perfectly locked down.
So one would need to make sure that when they find the hero they actually kill the hero.
What a shaz hero here, cause it's a bit annoying.
Like if you make it too easy, like if you pick some melee guy, this Nekra was just gonna go off lane
and lane into you.
So maybe you're looking at more like some hybrid type carry, maybe his Windranger, I don't know.
Yeah, it's current here for you see from the tournament. You don't want any of them right now like you don't last it
You don't know where you want Viper. No, you think it's back there. Yeah, none of them
Is that it's their chance of all no, it's just shut yeah, that's scary Viper
So into Necro you you can you beat him in lane pretty much
That's how it's gonna go
But the thing is that they can flex that also you're playing Viper into Rubik which is not that great if you ever
give away Viper Strike, actually all your three cores are just gonna cry. So you gotta be careful with that one.
Isn't that considered to be a fairly easy spell to steal?
You need to always cover it with Netotoxin, at least in the game, so yeah.
It's gonna happen though.
It will happen, that's the problem.
It's not as simple as like OD where you can press like a passive, right?
Like you have to press another animation, there's gonna be a window and of course Rubik players.
Look how?
Yeah, that's what it means.
But I was like, sure.
We saw the hero grid of Shad.
None of them were inspiring.
I wasn't a fan of Viper, just the scaling aspect.
But of all the options, it is the one laner,
like has me mentioned.
But surely, like you said, Nekor just goes carry.
You find an offlaner that can survive it.
They are banning out the Windranger that either a ma
could play offlane or Watson could play carry.
He's very good against the Viper.
So Navi utilized that
You need to think I guess also like first for Ari out of phase
Could see some heroes like maybe tusk. I think it's okay for him
I mean they already banned the hoodwink of the other range guys that he likes a lot
I mean just having follow-up range damage is always great into the DK
It's actually a very weird position for him because he's often the guy that plays like two and a half heroes
at the very very top level and they're all gone.
Because he had a period where he played Keeper of the Light like a lot, is that still an option?
The Cottle Band, the Windranger Band, the Willow Band, they're like the big heroes he plays.
Of course I think Tusc is like the best of the melee options available.
I'm more interested how Yandex starts this game because when you have Witch Doctor of Maladict,
Rubik Necro, there's an easy chance of Blood Grenades that you just start into the Viper when the waves meet.
You get a kill now suddenly vipers like seep him back to lane you have level 2 advantage on the neck or he gets shrouded
Maybe the lane becomes a little more playable in that regards. Well, they even ban at the lion
I like that like that. That's a that's a step in the direction of how else can they make this game uncomfortable?
And a lion a shaman one of these type of heroes. Yeah, shaman's still in the pool. So, you know
What's stopping you from picking it?
the guy you're asking it yeah can I have some trust me people don't like when
you suggest shaman you see the guy's so low moves in the pool I think Tosca's
okay if they pick shadow shaman you're the go to you so I'll rest my case for
20 seconds and we'll see what's up I would like a bit of map play lockdown
from him like anywhere he goes he can't set up kills with the Viper the timber
techies must eat it like there's this cool little avenue to him to play the
game. Maybe this is where he whips out the Nyx assassin.
Oh he does have the Nyx assassin. First one can play it. Outside of me.
Yeah, yeah. First time he plays it. Yeah. No, because it on paper, into these heroes,
Nyx assassin is very good. On paper, Mira has made sure that it's got great win rates.
Yeah, he's like, this hero's good, Ro. Oh, does he have the purple item?
Was there another purple item for a support player?
A Shrupter.
Yeah, he doesn't play that, so he's fine.
But I had to do it the hard way, you know, if we were actually doing the percentages.
I didn't just get gifted it.
Yeah, you had to go extreme mode.
That's extreme mode, yeah.
But still, very impressive, if you have the purple items.
Yeah, at least here the cool part is that if you want to try to go into the mind of Amar,
he's one of the most interesting players when he's given full last pick,
because he doesn't care about, I don't need to be the blink stun, I don't need to be the teamfight.
Robo pick whatever he thinks it's good.
That's why it's also really hard to actually call his pick.
But you say that, like, what if he just sacrificed himself on Watson and just goes like,
Give me Terranblade.
I will wait in 35 minutes. I will scale.
Yeah, I think that's fine.
To be fair, the thing is, Amar doesn't really sacrifice himself.
That's a great point, though.
Watson, what he has to like, tell him four times.
Is Shadowfiend not still good against a team or so?
I heard that Cinder instead, like, oh.
It's a classic lane counter for sure.
I just don't know.
not good enough you want to also have something that's more impactful in the game
yeah
i'm just trying to look through the heroes to see if we can get into ammar's brain
because i'm currently unable to enter
i'm not finding the the ammar hero
yeah i'm looking more towards the watson hero but yeah the problem is
will amar sack himself
okay so we're just gonna be
just gonna be chilling
place on the corner bottom lane against the
the viper
that's what it is
harry does have the purple item
yeah i'm i'm i'm not surprised yeah that is a clear reason why are they are
the three purple items in a game on the side of one win
now we know how this looks like that doesn't look like it sorry guys we have
uh... we have a little bit of a ring here we can see the sets preemptively
that looks like a purple hat thing
i think that's a default item
Yeah, I think it's an attire, but even when they do have the same colors. Yeah, they have two big purple items on the side of one
When that aside though, I think yandex they did pick up a really nice last pick and clinks is the hero rising in popularity
Yeah
In this game with how like clunky one would will be when the fights having to fight into like the barrage and the skeletons and the death
So all this random stuff like they will get chipped down very nicely and yandex
They have all the tools to kite we mentioned which doctor rubik being supports that have that in spades
Ember Spirit can just jump back, and Marv with the correct itemization doesn't really care about the game once he survives the lane.
So I think for Yandex, it's just get to your item timings, understand that one win want to bully you early on.
And yeah, it's going to be a really enjoyable back and forth game.
Yeah, and also I think for how one win have won games in like the recent days, this is very close to comfort when it comes to them.
Easy, I'm on a Dragonite. 33 Timbersaw has destroyed a couple of things in the last couple of days especially.
So I think they actually have a pretty good showing with the draft now just
Do they also have the skill in the game to hold up against yandex because they're by far the best team here
Yeah, chat has to kill in the same to be clear like he can't just be like happy to go even like if you're picking viper for the necro
I will see these like minimum one to two kills and then you translate that into something in the game
Like don't just afk farm like be an aggressive hero
It sounds like the drafts played itself out in a way where the series is the have a challenger and one win
and you've got Yandex, we'll just stand there and wait for their timing and win.
We're going to find out who takes a game one of this best of three series, but first we are going
to check out Nomad because he has a coach. I do indeed, I'm here with Mr Excel good from Yandex,
so firstly can I ask what was the conversation like around that last pick links? I mean we were
just going over our options, we could play Nekro like Puro, so we were thinking what we can go the
the best. So was there a lot of back and forth between Amar and what's about that?
Yeah you can say that. There was a lot of options. What do you think is the best?
All right and what's been the sort of planning process with the team been like?
Has there been a lot of differing opinions or do you kind of lead the show when it comes to
preparation and drafts? I mean there's not so many opinions. Amar just came in the team with his
is more of a blurring, obviously saying his opinion, but for now we will work like before.
Mostly me, Malady and Saxon. Somehow like that.
All right, and who should we be watching in this game? Who do you think is going to have a great performance?
I mean, hopefully everyone, but watch out for Malady.
Malady, which Doctor I like? Thank you very much, Mr. Excelgood. Good luck in this game number one with OD Pixel and Fogged.
Yeah, let's have a look. We have certainly seen some witchdoctors get a lot of these early kills right well earlier today, right?
I want this witchdoctor was it really he's getting like five kills or something in the first ten minutes
Some of these witchdoctors do pop off especially in that early game, but here we are at this timber and indeed
This is one of the heroes that yeah, which doctor seems to be getting through quite a few times against yeah
And looking at his items right? He's already expecting to be versus double melee lane. It's gonna pull away values. I got the boots
I'm gonna maledict chase you with boots blood grenade if you do try to pull waves
Ari has gone for the wind lace route
So the speed will definitely be there for the witch doctor to keep up with him if he does try to pull waves
Because this is not a lane that they're gonna want to play honestly by any means
Arrasement on the timber will build up first from the clink
Yeah, just a very strong well-rounded lineup again from Yandex and I'm actually liking to see more rubik
Because half of these rubik games I'm looking on like this might be the best rubik game I've ever seen
There's just like a billion spells that look amazing every game. Yeah, there really is.
I mean, pretty much what any of the spells from at least the last four on that row at the time,
I mean, Timberguide, I guess, is less appealing really to grabs, unless you get what, the Shackrum?
Shackrum's amazing, and the Warling Death versus DK is amazing.
Okay, that's true. So even if it is a pretty good, across the board, you really got your options open
as a Rubik in these team fights. Well, on the other side, I think the power is going to come
really from just securing the length and how much these supports can do afterwards.
I don't really have the most confidence in the Viper is my real biggest worry.
Shab we did see him struggle on it the other day.
If he struggles early there's very little recovery outlets for himself.
Yeah that is true, yeah that game's coming back to me now that was not the great.
And I think that-
Well, you know, like Shag can't pop off like this is something that he does,
he loves this, he's loved it. I assume he loves to carry Viper because I've seen him
and many times in his career, but yeah, something that he likes to do.
I just think that's why they went for the Clink's last pick though, right? That is a pretty
sad matchup, by the way. You can't do anything in the long term. The game goes on. 33 takes the
Maladik, he'll take a heavy beating of damage, does end up putting the point of reactive armor
to try to withstand it, Ari will pull the wave and show that he blocks the camp.
Maladik just grabbed a range group though, this is clever, does this work?
I mean, a good attempt, that was actually pretty cool.
He might actually get the range of the enemy.
He does?
Yeah, he does.
He's going to be able to get his range back off that little play, bring the range crew
for that.
Very cool play coming out from them here.
Bottom late, I think this is maybe why they did go for the Viper though, right?
They're trying to ensure that he does come off to a good start versus Necro, because
most traditional carries, as we've seen, do just suffer versus, so perhaps that's the
case besides Shed liking it.
Let's just see how he does end up doing in the lane.
Because on paper it looks to get shipy pretty decent, but a lot of these times these Necros just end up winning the lane anyway.
A couple of pauses coming in here.
Yeah, how are you gonna get kills down here?
Because once the ghost shroud comes into play, oh, that's true. You're absolutely right. Your attack just doesn't make a big difference.
Oh, okay. Yeah, you're dead. You should be getting kills down there. You should be. Yeah, that's so. Yeah, yeah. This looks
like it should work. It should work now. It's just the socks also can kill skill lift so you can prevent the blast offs
So there's back and forth in way that this lane can't show the pain on who gets more aggressive
But I mean yeah, if you're getting the poison attack stacked up and what was able to take off the ghost route
Then you should kill him. Yeah, the viper should absolutely destroy the necrofoss on those early levels
This is the volatile lane to look at it's a right
Ember should build a farm versus DK DK also should get stuff out of it
Tom is a clear win for the witch after clean so I think bottom probably the one that we look at because this is the one
Where it can't go bit back and forth in terms of who outplays who
And over all the techies has looked very solid white money, but leave we did see the stat line was it a 4-0 from him
I can't remember those 4-0 4-1 either way. He's looked very comfortable on it
He might even just get sox here. He's here too already. Sox that was not too beforehand to get the lift off
No blood grenade though for white one for the extra chase
It's not so with the jukes. It's got a salve.
Another bomb. Offs no more.
Offs no more.
It's not so it should be fine.
Okay.
Now more.
They get some freedom of last hits.
Blood grenade used on him there.
That was a little weird.
Wait, I'm missing the reasoning as to why you used that there, but...
Now, unlikely that Shalper's ever going to be able to connect with that play.
Yep, and now they're both just controlling the way it is best as possible.
Looks to get Will and then inevitably push into Shad, and then I'll make sure that White
Mike can also get the Lotus.
I'm not right.
I don't think there's much...
Like, the other lanes shouldn't really have too much happen in them, right?
Topically, we could see some kills if the Timber and the Nix misplay the lane, but they're
just kind of creep pull. Click shit free farm and then DK vs Ember's free.
But surely this doesn't mean if Shad and Whiteman aren't getting kills down here.
Is that a problem? I would say so, yeah. It doesn't feel the greatest in particular
vs Necro then. And we'll see what sort of buildup Shad goes for. I imagine it's always going to kind of be
these what mage lads, dragon lances. You can't really get a direct farming item when you're
playing as safe lane Shad, safe lane Viper? No, it sounds pretty punny. I'll strip,
I don't even know what you get, right? There's not really much, so...
I think the mage there just fits, and it's versus Necrol Emperor, right?
So it just... it suits the game very nicely, with what he's playing up against.
There's just not really farming item that you can go on the hero, sadly.
It's a fighting hero.
I'm low on the spells, and, yeah, she's turning up and dominating the early fights.
Make this work from the carry position.
Water Rune exchange.
DK coming with the slight edge versus that Emperor with the denies.
I've actually really been enjoying these DKs. I don't know about you because you look at the build and you're like
What is this? But then you look at the damage at the end of the game
You're fully crap. He's doing like the highest damage in the game with these shards, octorines, shivers, whatever it may be
It does look pretty interesting in some of these games
Yeah, I guess yeah, if you're saying we're seeing that sort of high number damage from these DKs
Yeah, that does allow for kind of having something like the vibe in the safe lane because what out of the two
you'll probably see the Dragon Knight be the late game harder hitting.
The hero that's going to scale a bit more than the Viper?
He's weird. He's just a weird scaler because the way his damage functions with the builds that we've seen.
We'll see if we get a variety from BZM this time around because we have seen some radiances, right?
What to see. Amar seems to not be satisfied with the bottom lane.
Now that it's been put in this position, White Mutt has controlled both camps.
He's been able to get some pulls off. Chad has good lane position. Amar is just jungling.
Yeah, I guess he's absolutely respects the fact that they could trip him up and get him killed off with the use of the taser, and if he turns up to the lane.
And he's gonna get, I mean he doesn't jungle fantastic right by any means, but he's gonna be able to get the neutral item as first team at a pretty early time as well, so accepting the fact that he doesn't want to feed in that lane.
And mid lane's been pretty close a little bit of an airchair for BZM. I imagine that's what's most part expected in the DK versus Ember matchup.
Yep, I don't think that one's changed too much over time, right?
I think for most of the time it's been like this.
I'd maybe cheer up if it had a couple more DCS perhaps.
But yeah, you just brief fire him and then you have like a 20 base damage advantage on these DKs, as we've seen them do, for a very long time now.
DK form is up.
Gotta be some good pressure onto this tower. If it was a little sooner from Whitewine, maybe they'd get the kill.
It's gonna be around the power rune.
And also around this catapult.
So some fair bit of damage they're gonna be able to get here.
Connection is stunned, Ari. Won't stop him from getting the fill up though, so it does
have the shield to return back to the lane with.
Malady though. They want to die for him, they're thinking about it, but the ember is going
to come back.
Yeah, can't really blast off into that.
Taser popped. A lot of different things this Taser is going to trip them up with, right?
Be careful how you do play versus dispelling your own flame guard dispelling the ghost route
There's gonna be a lot of functions that wipe on can
play versus here
And so far the timber saw got away with the lane right didn't play the lane so got away with it
Almost level five for him being picked up without even having a point in the timber chain
They just manipulated the lane and getting sacks out this point for our eight
Just don't be interested to see how everything kind of comes together for one win when it
progresses from the lanes because it does feel that just across the board scaling the
three cores of Yandex are quite a little bit better than that of one win so gotta see
one win get some sort of early advantage.
Yeah, some tempo definitely going to be needed the rotations from the Viper, the DK running.
I think BZM just like every Dragon form probably has to be used to hit a tower in the early
game to get themselves to that advantage point. This is nice. Walks in, it finds a triple stack
medium camp. Might just be able to finish this one off here. Sox is walking over to assist with it,
but the majority of it hasn't already been taken.
Wipe on.
Catch him in the river, get him to blast away, but Chiro Junior, put the bremins to
chase whip, and he'll continue with that extra one to secure the first blood here.
And now maybe a second.
Easy end.
A heavily outnumbered, it'll turn with the Dragon Tail to hold back Chiro Junior, he'll
be able to live getting the first blood here, very slow a start, but then one that doesn't
feel that Gandex are gonna be too fussed about this is a chill start for them
she'll start for the DK too and looking at their sorry for the effort and it's a
very good experience
if you was able to get the malediction down on a BZM
BZM look at pretty damn good
maybe he can bring Jirijun into that when he can
nice this battle
will still die but making the best of a bad situation there getting the killer against Jirijunius
sax is gonna be healed up
he's fine
just the one for one between the mids
making the best of the worst but now Watson's starting to swing all
for RE. This is a very early move, although this is expected, but looks like they will be just fine.
Reacting. 1k lead now for the side of Yandex. And yeah, looking at the Ember. Oh, and I'm just
looking at the Vessel game. This is a nice Vessel game versus at least two of the Corsair,
but it's the Viper, not as much, but very valuable pickup when he's going to be able to have it.
Had a pretty good timing here. See how much shad moves. I do think that we will maybe just finish
It's just the main player first before he starts getting as involved, but like if your Watson's gonna be turning up the fights early
Right, I want to see the Viper try to turn up too if they want to get try to get some type of tower advantage in the early game
Can they find ways to turn up to the fights before Watson has the death so when this place is turning up with the desolator
Even the Viper he's not gonna be too happy turning up when there's a click with the death so in and these sort of skirmishes
He'll be the scariest hero because even versus taser and all that you have ways to play versus with the burning barrage
You can still just have attacks come through it
Bottom tower looks like they do want to go for this here. They have dragon form again available
Flip is popped they're making their own move on the flip side with you see Malady looking for the ancients. Are you found?
getting on top of the supports they will likely lose the tower it looks like
here in this they want to TP in spades so a trade
right about half the way to the goal for BGM's blink dagger and Amar by the way
he's doing the same thing he's doing pots yes did last game so the bots before
the Radiance. A little bit slower this game of course, but we'll be able to show up.
For last game if it goes on absolutely still doesn't matter which order you get these two
and WS ended up being insanely farmed on his Necrofos going for again the same, the bots
before the Radiance. And looking at the game for the Necro overall, there's some things
to trip him up this game. There's some good chain stun that they do have, the Nyx, the
He's the DK plus mage layer. It won't be I don't say as free for him this game
But he also has distractions so he has an emperor that's gonna be leading the charge
He has damage reduction that can come from fadebolt that always has to be factored in as well
See how that all does come together a very slow game though, and I feel like for yandex. They're fine with that
So this and I think yandex is like all right when he gets 11 minutes not a lot's happened great news for us
Yeah, when they're so saying to each other right now because it just looks so good on paper the deso versus a majority of these heroes
They do suffer versus 33 will be okay. The melodic doesn't look like it's gonna be able to pop them
I'm not quite level six of malady was six. He actually solo kills him there. He was about eight experience off from having it
Just gonna be a question if maybe we're underestimating this carry Viper
the shot is gonna hit this kind of early timing with the mage slayer and be able to find the
opportunity to have huge impact in the fights.
I see it versus the other four heroes, it's just the clicks right?
That's the one that's the real big concern how much can build a strength by throwing
it.
Oh that's one little cap for it there, there we go, Validic.
Sure they got him but who get one of them?
Oh watch it, he's got no hits in it, is it a shot?
That's going to stand his ground again, sportsman.
We'll see Amar and Saxon turn up to try and help Watson.
Ow!
Now Watson's gone.
Shad, and why I'm on doing it going down,
but Shad, at least there,
but to bring down the enemy carry on the way up first.
But the numbers immediately cheer, it turns up.
He already has vessel.
This Ember spirit is quite large right now.
Not even going for the phase boots first.
Usually you do see that.
He just went straight for it
because of getting all these extra kills.
I need that blink dagger on BZM
So you can sort of have a chance of matching the movements of Chiro Junior.
He's close.
And they do at least, it looks like they might not get Watson for a second there, so it's at least good that they do.
I think if he had the healing Lotus in his inventory, maybe he actually ends up living.
He had it in his backpack. Signs of being brought down because of it.
Well in the meanwhile, 33, he's disfarming.
He's keeping himself in a good position. He's actually ahead of the Necro after all these moves.
Good ol' Grijen rune.
Back some usage a little bit there.
There's smoke time from Cheer Junior,
whilst he continues to stay aggressive with his vessel charges.
33 is a pretty much free grab for the two of them if they're too soon.
I don't know shit how many of them here is right. And he is always walking off of that ogre.
Might just get him caught. Well there's certainly going to try and dive
on a little bit and that should do it versus a Maladik. Nothing to do about that right now.
As Ember is going to run the show, not easy for them to bring him down. Sure they've got some
changes on it, but you have to execute it very well. They do find the bottom side though around
the wisdom. It's a nice play there from Ari. They do have the blink reveal. That's a good reveal as
well. Slowing down that radiance timing on Amar. And look at Ari, he's blocking the camps. He knows
He knows this is where Amar wants to farm when he probably does respawn, so one for one exchange, matching the movement.
We have to get the trade on the Wisdoms.
And his white moment will take that away from...
Mm-hmm.
...Yandex and the Chirijunia, take it away from movement.
They were giving it to the Rubik, and then they're like, hmm, let's keep Enable and Chirra.
They're giving that extra XP. He is very high level at this point in the game.
Same as the DK.
Very even so far here in this early game.
Looking for the mid tower too, BZM being incredibly active as you said, trying to match all the moves from Chura, now beating on the mid tower, smoke coming out, Yandex.
Ready to go again, and Watson, he won't even be that afraid of turning up if any fights happen around at tier one now that he's got the Dexar done. They're gonna see 33!
That again.
Certainly is.
See why, Mom?
Maybe see if they can fight back.
Good jump forward, good damage on to Wars Malady,
so they'll find at least a witch doctor,
immediate remnant and a TP though.
Gets Jira Junior away from any further follow-up.
Saksa could get brought down though.
Tries to stop the blink.
He will.
Ari hot on the trail.
White despite carrying some of the returning Chakram.
Doesn't matter though.
Dragon Tail's still there for BZM.
Lianpo supports.
BZM active, as we said.
Hits mid tower, he sees they're making a move, an instant TP to react.
Sure.
Doesn't get the setup onto the emperor there, but gets return kills and will be able to take the tower.
So reacting accordingly.
Got to lose a game on his DK, BZM.
Can't go for the tower too much here though, Malady will instantly TP.
And here comes Watson, the death sow, it is done.
So BZM has to be pretty careful, he will blink away.
Oh yeah, he knows something's up there, did up the sentry down.
Split second timing that that was placed there too, that was very close to him getting caught.
even on the numbers Shad made slayers done all right he hasn't had to actually show up as much because
I know yeah BZM is definitely feels like BZM is going to have to do a lot though yeah 33 having a
tough time turning up any action with how they have to count us for this Timbersaw and then as
for Shad just sort of a question mark when we see the Viper kind of fit into the whole picture here
for one win. Yep, how powerful is it really going to be versus all this? Is he going to turn up and kind of clean up or is he going to get cleaned up?
As you said, versus four heroes, very good. Just that clink that's the biggest concern. And we could say to the Rubik, if he can get the steals, if he doesn't end up stealing the ult even once, he can't just ruin you as a Viper.
Literally.
Blinks up in a second. He's okay. So
Falling a little short that means they don't get the kill
Malady with the Maladik this
Can't be doing those
Museum will be very happy and very fortunate to sneak himself away there the little bit of extra movement speed that he does have to
Quicken the wind lace all those little things coming into play versus mark
Chase potential is going to be pretty crazy though from cheer junior right is going to go for this aggressive build the vessel straight into the agonims
Not something you see always grabbed just immediately as that secondary item
They're pretty bold to do as well against line. It does have a couple of stunts
Probably not afraid to dance around them
Maybe just feeling like he can kind of incinerate the back line right if he does get to this good timing
He is deviating
BGM
They enter to the jungle
Hey, dude put a stop to the death wall
He'll be taken down into the mallardy to now
Oh, Cheetah Junior turns up and ready to look for more.
It gets the stun.
Oh, they're going to be able to kill him?
He's alive.
And PCM living?
The Lotusers.
How did they give him?
I mean, the Balladik ticked down.
He didn't do enough to kill him.
He survived.
I think three.
How many Lotusers was it that they passed him?
Two, three?
I didn't get to see.
It was at least two.
Whatever it was, it was enough to offset
the amount of burst damage he was taking
from each of those Balladik ticks.
Oh, my god.
He lives.
He's focusing against the stun.
And I agree.
He set him up onto Watson, picks him up,
he's got him.
Oh no, what a sequence.
Massive moves from them here off the back of what started to be a move
the Yandex themselves were trying to make,
but it's turned around, they lose three arrows,
and then on top of that, they lose their carry on top of it.
That was beautiful.
I cannot believe he lives there, that is insane.
Goes mid, now gets the tower as well.
We got to see it again.
Because the Maladik comes a little bit after some of the damage goes in, but then he heals a lot and gets a full stick off.
And you get the slow, it fist onto him.
As Chiri, he went with the vessel down on a white mod, trusting that BZM was just dead.
It was not the case.
You know what I think it maybe it was too?
A mage slayer that reduced some of the damage that was coming in as well.
Yeah, he had to get some hits and on the way to talk to Ryze.
Yeah, I think that was.
That would have absolutely limited how much the Maladik was doing with each of his ticks.
Each and every little thing.
BZM alive.
That was pretty sick.
Radiance is done. Watson does have the Deso timing still in a good spot, but a 3k lead now after those moves.
This is where Woman made it to 5.
That is a really strong steal that Sox has been able to find here.
As I said, all the techie spells are amazing. This is a very good aggressive one that he can look for kills with.
Deso stack acquired.
10-10 though. Super close here in this beginning of the game.
with the game. Auri also is going to have one of the faster blanks I think I've seen
on the Nixx.
Absolutely. I'm just getting that kill on Wattson. That's pushed him very close to getting that
pick up.
And that could be one of the key ones that lets them get an Ember kill, get a Necrol
kill, right? Because he can blink Carapace into a Necrol pulse or into the Flameguard
very early when they don't expect it to. Keep eyes on this Nixx assassin for him to keep
setting this tempo for the team. BCM also, right?
Yeah, they won't keep going.
The fact that he survives like this, he's now top 2 net worth, his BKB is going to come at a pretty good time.
Yeah, but the BKB wants that out, they will not be killing him easily.
And the BKB also for the Timber, probably next going to be coming out after this Kaya Sange.
There we go.
Smoking up.
And ready to keep the tempo going in their favor.
Amar, chilling, farming, Radiance is done.
So you can see the direction that Yandex wants to go is just sit back, they feel they're scaling.
Or win once more kills, and it's around the wisdom as well too if they can't find it.
Yandex seems to be more aware and more prepared this time.
More in place, they see it fresh.
He's here.
Off the job.
Amar is going to go in deep.
Let's see if they can burst through 33.
He's up there through Amar.
They can.
Oh, God.
But immediately the combo comes out from Watson in return as he picks up the double, taking
out both supports.
And they get more.
Looks like they'll settle for their wisdom.
I think the blink, Amar did not expect it, right?
The fact that it's this early, but B-Zem shows himself.
He's getting back to what he's trying to play.
She's shot here trying to help out, but he's just turned them and wants them still around.
He's got a lot of physical damage to go.
Shat's dead.
Oh no.
Oh, they were getting momentum in that fable moment, but just like that, they lose, they
carry 33.
He does step it up.
Save your buddy, Cedro.
It's like being in the vessel.
He'll tip a chance away from this.
Okay, there is a warning.
I mean, they're looking to not lose either BZM or 33 there, but still losing, shot, they
carry a little unnecessarily there.
My goodness.
Save your buddy, Cedro, really coming into play there.
He's like, I'm going to protect you.
I want one more wave.
God, no.
Shad gives his life for BCM.
BCM now does have EKB for Symmetric Protection.
Good surprise there, until Mar.
That was the blink, right?
Otherwise, I think Mar might actually live
because he gets to stick off,
but the fact that Ari just gets in his face
for this none, it's enough.
But Watson, we're seeing his damage.
That happened before, thanks.
BCM!
Oh my goodness, he's dead!
What the heck did he do?
Oh, he jumped him for that!
Oh, okay, bro.
I mean, he lived super low HP last night, so he felt that there would be a chance he could throw it again, but no.
That was awkward.
He really wanted that illusion room.
And now, wipe on.
Are they going to be able to chase him?
Ooh.
Some lunders.
Yeah, BZM getting his carry killed down bottom and then getting himself and his techies back in action in the mid.
He's going to calm down a bit.
He's had some of these games. It's been very up and down for him.
That was a brutal sequence.
There's a big momentum starting to be game Watson turns up and gets now 10 desostacks
Because what he gets two three four kills right afterwards. I mean he'll take that all day
As we said the clink's truly the realest carry in this game
Hey really is it and obviously his time passage now a mile in the necrophos is not gonna be too far behind when it comes to
being ready to scale and ready to
Be an extra carry force in the later portions of the game
So then you might want when they have to be careful with the state that the game is in
And Amar might just slot a BKB in early because it's a very valuable one as we can see this game versus all this magical burst
Yeah, next
Look for another aggressive move here. Soxa has Carapace stolen
This could catch them off guard as well
Smoke up on the flip side. I'm gonna play around their BKB timing because we said easy M
He did use his and die immediately, but it does come back up now
And this is them kind of getting shot aggressively involved now
That's the vibe up because he have the man to done. I think he does
Yeah, he's sending it bottom toward the portal
Should have a good shot of catching a mar if he sticks around down there. We'll see how cautious a mile plays
There is a century on the right side so
Looking like he should be pretty dead. He's found him
Are you the only
What is the first thing to take them all out?
Good connections.
Do the Yandex want to try for something?
Four burst is fine.
Looks like they don't.
They'll fall back.
It's actually already just looking for more.
Just wanted to continue sequencing these kills.
They have good pick off with the techies in the nicks.
One win.
Even though they have given up a couple of these kills,
playing better than I actually anticipated them to match up
the index in his first 30. It is an early Ori at the draft that they have gone for and
they do not have the gold lead, so that's always just an important thing to be looking
at here. But keeping their 3 cores in a very good spot. Sorry. Being very annoying too,
just the scouting. Level 12 already. Level 2 Vendetta's online for the next iteration.
Okay, and Shad, he's gonna go the anti-heal route.
He's gonna go the Scotty after the Manta.
Absolute benefits there, versus the Necro.
And they will be tanky at the least.
The three cores of the side of one win will continue to get that tanky.
Just how much damage the Klink stun is.
Are they gonna be able to get tanky enough?
That's really the question.
It's a bit of a different build we do see from Watts in this game though.
this game though he went for the crit he's feeling like he also needs a bkb
because of the gap close not gonna be that agonist that we've seen most of
times yet from the clicks might take some time
which I can't blame him right the next the early blink that Ari's been able to
grab it is tripping them up
setting up again around the roach area Chira does find himself an arcane
And as you said, 4IP did go for the BKB rather than the AGS, because there's just a bit too much control.
Don't think they can play without BKBs on the index.
They keep setting up these mines in the area too, they could look to control that like you were saying, the rush.
They are level 2 mines as well too, so that much quicker, or that much more damage that he can actually apply.
Alright, time to scout again, see if they can get a catch.
It does have the shard as well now too, so easier access points to find some of these heroes.
They gotta be quick with their fingers on the side of Yandex, if he does go for the Vendetta hits to get the BKBs off.
They're set up for the rush now, looks like they can do it freely.
It's gonna dock pretty quick, and the bombs are already prepared.
I don't think Yandex expected this, so they're fast and they can make it.
They're still gonna try and fight.
Cheerijunia.
Is there not some more Shad?
That was all his remnants.
Shad has the Aegis now.
Plus there's a bit of a time to hide.
He tried to go for a fast go drop down the deathboard, take the Aegis out of him.
He keep 33, look up to his mileage, but a lot of damage is being done with this deathboard.
In fact, 32 bucks.
And he's gonna try to TP up, but make it away.
The Slap is coming to cheerijunia to take him down.
Watson has BKB now. Yeah, Chelsea.
They might have the number of shots, but they're still looking to try and push up them off.
They've been strong around Watson.
Watson, all together with the TPL.
Everyone will not catch him in time.
Chere Jr., though, on the other hand, will be taken out.
Why are we coming in with the best bet to hit?
To take out a fourth kill.
They get the numbers there, taking out four of them.
Amar did not get to play the team fight again.
Chate stunned to death before he can get the BKB off.
It was essentially a 4v5.
Literally got nothing off on the Necrophos.
I say 4v5 4v6 right because of that Aegis
You need to play pretty nice even though they do lose the Aegis immediately fighting strong
Hey, it's not on your screen, but on the top right you can see it on the mini map
BZM gets the blink stun from the DK to get the follow-up with the tech or afterwards to at the Knicks
heads up from BZM to
Know that yeah Mars gonna be trying to sneak in from such an angle because if they don't kill him
Honestly, they don't kill a more than start of the fight there.
This fight could have probably been disastrous.
Already, it kind of goes so-so.
Exactly.
Watson's still cleaning up some action, getting out alive.
They're taking the Aegis immediately away from one win
moments after they pick it up.
So it definitely is important for them
to do these type of plays, right?
They have to remove at least one of the targets
at the start of things.
That was their Aegis fight.
BZM, BKB is on cooldown for 12 seconds.
The rest have jumped forward, as he said, and DKBs aren't cool that far and what's he doing on the side?
He's giving them a side damage from what's down the death row from Maladine to take him out, BZM.
That one is not worth it unless they connect with more.
They're gonna try it with a jump form from Whitemon.
Big Burst is well behind, it's time to get the BKB off.
Shad is gonna try and kill him off.
He's down!
If they BTPs not gonna get him out, the damage is done.
able to ensure that they continue to get these trades in favor of themselves
killing off a ma there and both teams point very fast though they're
responding to each other almost immediately it's 37 37 kills in 29
minutes 33 and it's DKB he's gonna have to use it it's Trump break away from
cheer junior it'll be okay both teams just matching each other's aggression
Yeah, it's very close here, but is that good enough for one wins lineup?
That is the question and that's the test of the minutes past the test of the
getting enough are they getting as much of a leaders you'd imagine their lineup
needs to have against Watson's Gleaves who still sits there very safely in the
top spot. He's still looking pretty good and he's
still got a lot of growth that Daedalus plus the eventual agonies will come out
that's gonna hurt a lot on versus them but so far not too bad from the side of
one win by any means. It's like on fast pace they are right? Just like immediately
like ooh they make the move top sure they get the ruby then they die but then
boom they show up with like two three more and get the trades afterwards too.
And just not really letting them all have a good time. As we did save the start
this was a lot harder of a Necro game in comparison what we did see that last
game. But it should be the case for us, especially when it's like a first pick Necro.
Yeah. Imagine the teams are gonna have some pretty good ideas of how to play
against that. They've been truly making him struggle he's even buying some
Magic resisted in between because he's just feeling too much of the pressure of the burst.
R8, we'll get found this time.
I'll have to get some good actions this game with the voodoo switcheroo and the death ward.
Some fair bit of damage coming out for him.
Gem, BZM, he's got it.
We're looking to keep on their aggressive posturing here.
and Daedalus was finished, Chira also agonized, so big core items coming out on both sides.
I think the Sheevis was also done for 33, so still matching each other in terms of timings.
Both teams are very ready for any of these fights.
And next though, with this timing, they probably want to start a fight themselves
rather than having a market deleted before a fight starts.
So trying to find the catches, which is not as easy for them in comparison
versus a Nyx and a DK with the blink stun.
It's up to Chira to start the fight, or I get Soxa now at the blink.
But ideally they do look like they want to have that fight start for themselves.
Power rune, BZM, waiting on top of it.
Oh, Soxa!
Oh, stop!
Thank you for that jump there for BZM.
Both teams knew they were smoked up.
Both teams looking for the initial grab.
Initiation's gonna be crucial to look at for this game.
Especially in these tense moments right now for one win.
Attention up towards the top lane instead.
Let's chance. Let me chance. Farms continue to look pretty good. He's not falling behind
his other two cores, keeping himself ahead of the two opposing cores too. So far, pretty
solid shunned from the Viper.
Alright, Amar. What's he buying? Consecrated Raps for that extra bit of protection for
himself. He's very close to having it.
in month.
Fight out for him.
Opening stuns there.
What the fuck?
Up in time though.
He comes out.
This is going to be fine.
Can they chase?
He gets Timber Chain Stunned.
He can actually fully disengage on Sox and Upto.
They really wanted to push forward for this kill.
Just a little slow on the Chain Stunned.
He didn't get the Carapace pre-pulse either, so he didn't get the secondary stun that
they maybe needed.
He is scouting though.
He does see Amar immediately, so he's like, alright, this is our target, guys.
got no BKB. So BZM tiping down near the wasps was out here. See, they're kind of split.
He's mounting tip down.
I don't think so. He's taking a hell of a lot of damage here in Cheerio.
They put the BKB down, but he's still going to fall very low for the Malathics.
Further back up comes in as the Mars ready to bot's over.
I think he survives. It looks like he should.
I know it's my life, it lasts enough.
Oh my god.
The Maladik.
And he's coming in for number one ASR, he's gone.
Oh, he actually just died of that one.
Forgot about the duration talent too.
It is enough.
I mean, the Maladik, this one is crazy.
If you start to take any damage for it, it doesn't matter if you're keeping it running
or still very likely to die.
That's why he held it for so long.
And now here comes the push.
It's been closed for so long, the one next to us.
One time when they split up, that was the problem, one win, there was two heroes showing top, two went for the plate bottom, Gandex was that much quicker.
It has been close in the numbers, but it has just felt that there's always been this level of volatility from one win slide up.
Things don't go smoothly the whole way through for them. They will feel the wrath of the Watson Clinks.
The damage that he can provide is absurd. All it takes is one mallet and a couple swings.
Has that taken a set of racks yet?
Just off of that move.
I think that sort of goes to show how close or not close the game actually was.
One fight like that, a Rax gone.
It's just an opportunity taken I think on the end right?
They saw them fully split and DZM again though, just jumping a bit too far forward from his
team, gets caught out.
Did they recover the jam at least or no?
I didn't get to see if someone got it.
I'm blind.
Or was it stolen?
Okay, they did recover it. So at the least they didn't lose their gem out of all of that, but insane momentum now gained for the side of Yandex.
Full items being picked up now at Lings as well. And something I did want to point out from Amar by the way that he's done majority of this game, he's turning his Radiance off.
So he is making sure...
Yeah, he's not going to get double characters. I think that's even what happened up top is that he did turn the Radiance off when it did initially get gone on him too, so some heads up plays from him to stop Ari from getting changed stuns.
Can't make another mistake like that on one way or another.
Absolutely not.
This game is just going to completely collapse.
That is already one step massive for Yadavaks.
That's also now finding the steal on the shotcrum.
Have to play it perfectly from this point on and even that it might not be enough versus
this clink by any means.
That's awesome, having a brilliant time on the farm, just an excellent position, don't
catch him, he'll kill every single one of you.
And Chira's looked very impressive on this Ambride, the hero in general throughout this
tournament has looked quite insane, but just playing around, being able to get in and out,
8-3-11 compared to VZM's 4-4 this game.
He's got a bag in Q'd up.
I love it but he won't do it.
I'm calling him out on that.
He's just curing it up for the memes.
He won't buy it.
Hey, cast range for the melodic.
I want to see it.
He's just teasing us.
Cast range for the melodic.
I'm down.
He better do it.
Better not bait us like this, curing up the good ol' dang on winch, don't tell me.
He better buy it.
for a lens and a chasm stone so he gets bigger ballad into more cast range anyway.
Nah, it's just kidding.
I mean, he's not going to probably end up buying either one.
Maybe he does buy the dragon though, whatever.
Looking for another grab down bottom.
They already have the Rax, but they have two, they have tier two's on the other sides.
So it looks like they're just looking for a battle.
Chira, dragging the wave.
Got another one left.
Going to get a big hit out of this.
Gadi is finished up, Hart also for 33.
Ari trying to give them this information.
They do see where the courier is coming from, so they know where Watson is.
The Yandex is very ready for the fights themselves, another Lincoln's picked up.
Naughty.
Being sneaky.
So, Jani, are you ready to start coming in from the side?
trying to break it. Okay. A blink.
There we go. Great.
It's been maledicted.
A lot of pushes up forward, then if we have to continue to get out of here,
Jax tries to fight back, looks towards Watson.
He's hitting Watson.
It's decent damage, but not enough to take Watson out as Watson's able to keep his distance back up with the BKB.
Chira comes back.
A lot thrown out there, only ends up with the two supports dying.
One win able to get the reset there, the heart regen kicking in versus the Maladiks massively.
BZM now also going for hard himself, so they're just trying to counter Maladiks.
Who's these hearts? The question is who's better kitted out for round two?
If they go straight back at it.
There's two more remnants on Chira.
Echivies, many of them on cooldown here, he's yet to end.
Chomp! Chomp the dragon tower that Linkins is there for Chiro Junior.
Retreat!
And out of town by the stands, they have to lift up.
There's a lot of damage once again, we'll break away with the timber chain.
These hearts are sustaining them, but which doctor's coming back up to pierce through those hearts?
It's a pretty interesting itemization that we've seen.
Sure, it's popular now with the heart, but versus the melodic, you're absolutely seeing the power of it.
Absolutely. If you're able to back out momentarily with the fight, you're going to get that chance to,
not only survive, but get yourself into a position where you can enter back in for round two.
And Shad was able to do a decent back into Watson.
He traded decently with Watson.
It actually was better than I anticipated it to be.
Definitely had to make Watson think twice about his positioning.
When Watson has the axe, that'll totally change, which is coming pretty soon.
The one win. If they can put 33 on the front like that, we are showing that they can't
put up a fight still. Prophet, Pendulum, Heart, etc. All these different tankiness to be able
to deal with the Maladict. Alright, looking for the angle again.
What's the move to the huge catch?
It's got the linkage though, it's not easy, it makes the impact.
Trying to lead in, Saks having a tough start.
He has a mix of self awayhacks and safety.
Don't fall from 33, over towards Marvin.
Marvin's having a jump out.
Over towards Saks.
Fnish is going to get put down to half HP.
Should be able to kite out the fight.
No, heal up.
That's not the thing that's going to kill him.
There's too much damage.
Won't be able to deal with that one.
That's 33 out of the fight.
Armageddon swiped up to the side.
Shad.
towards the fighter of Shad. Surrounded, Chirojune is staying on top of the man with a BKB.
What's the ready to bring in the physical damage to take Shad out?
BZM's trying to find a bar, but the heels come in. The BKB's back up for a bar.
He can't live. BZM has to go to the BKB team for a way. He'll make it.
But Ari's left core up on the high ground. Chirojune in with the remnants.
Now take out the four of them. These are such high skill fights from both sides.
You can see one win trying their best to kite, get inside, find a way to get on Watson,
but he's able to kite himself, distance himself to the backlight and just fully turn it.
I actually need to see damage numbers from him.
Yeah, that's to be anticipated, 8,300 from the Qwinks in that fight.
He did pretty much the majority for his team.
A nice attempt from one win where you can feel they're pushing their limits to try to go for these plays.
And then running up.
Damage scaling of people more now from what's with the Hydra's breath.
Completed it.
We'll see once again.
Look at these HP pools, they're massive on both sides.
And here at the top of terms there's like kind of total amounts of HP, about 15,000 HP as a collective on one way.
The Yandex is having to get through, but they do manage to do so, just the nature of the fact that they do have that better scaling damage output when it comes to the physical damage from Watson's clinks.
And maybe Witch Doctor's broken, oh and I don't know, this Maladict is actually just owning, that's a 4000 something HP Timbersaw that still just dies from 100 to 0 essentially because he gets caught in one stun.
that's just for the the heels adding up over time from the necrophos the damage adding up over time from the clinks
Especially on top of that Maladik
It does mean that any drawn-out team fight at this point this moment in the game 40 minutes onwards
It's difficult to see one man coming out on top unless they really can get the jump
immediately blow up these key targets
It feels like it's got to either be the clinks or the necrophos the start of every one of these fights
Otherwise, they just do not stand a chance in a long drawn out team fight and maybe for aria
I'm not even kidding you. Maybe you just killed a witch doctor
I think you find a way to stop him from getting these angles because he really is the one that's it's crazy to say how much
Damage he is doing it by the way. He did go down to in fact. I see he's leveling up as well
I'll be ready to go. It's it's not just the it's the cast range and the burst you ate
My teammates when I buy it first. I am all right, Owen. Well, he's not mid
This is true, they did set eyes out for the witch doctor, and now he's got the 20-tongue.
That's the best one.
And that used to even be crazy about Kudera, that's nerve that one.
They did.
It used to be like very insane, right?
I think that tuned it down quite a bit.
Still, feels amazing to play with.
Smoke up, level 25 starting to get hit, also Chira conjures catalyst, just picked up between
that fight too and now it's his Aegis Watson. He even switched the build again by the way
on Watson. He was like I don't even care I'm not going X I'm going Hydro Breath now.
It's so valuable this game against these high HP targets. The detray, the timber, even to
an extent the Viper because of this stat build up that you're going for. The Hydro Breath,
it hurts. I think you get an idea of like the way things
are in each team fight too where you saw there the first fight. He's like you're standing
You've talked it over to the fighters a little hard and then afterwards you said never mind
No, it's not
That's the key do not let maledict hit
Kill Malady and don't let Maledict hit
Have a level of daggon keep him calm
For the gas range this time you won't miss
BZM, level 26 is hit. Almost 25, also for 33, so some extra scaling. Yeah, I legit think
I think killing the witch doctor, he doesn't have buyback either, so if they do bring him
down it could be decent. I'm just hard to buy pass the front line. As we are seeing BZM.
Chats, got a little bit of movement.
Some left hood hits onto him, but need to save there for Saks.
PZM still trying to make the jump over towards the mid.
Not it.
Get the Maladiks off this side, PZM.
We'll be able to step away from the beauty switch room.
The turn in was Maladik.
Pretty aggressive for that plate.
Haze with his life.
That's Maladik out for 80.
How hard do they want to chase?
I imagine they want to go pretty hard.
How hard is it?
Good angle is my cover, but...
...a couple of hits from Watson and Arie is dead.
still have to respect his cliques also the 8th can lift Soxa not letting him
get a stun off you can see they wanted to chase forward with that witch doctor
dead but unable to still into age is too difficult nullifier not for Watson
you also won't protect you and on discs won't either if you do want itemize for
those
shad now gonna go for his damage item I was waiting for which one it was gonna
It was gonna be Butterfly and Crick. He's gonna go to Daedalus.
And now, so we'll go to the X. Level 25 also hit for him with the strafe.
Witch Doctor back up in 20, and still ages for 30 seconds. He's blocking up.
This is gonna absolutely destroy these buildings.
He's gone. Doesn't mind if he goes down the once with the Aegis resetting soon anyway.
Banner is down as well.
He's back for round TP. He's having to put the BKB to step back.
Actually they could have. They were trying to hit a bar, but they could have hit the banner at least there.
I guess it's not going to matter perhaps anyway, but the banner is alive.
Back up. Malady also back in action. TP's over to the outpost. Ready to join here if they do want to go for continued siege.
I wonder if they're trying to click the banner and Amar was standing on it and didn't let them hit it or something.
Cause that is what it looked like for a second there.
Cause no way you expect to kill the Necro there.
Now they do have the banner alive for this push with the double counter still.
Ari, trying to find angles, lift.
Ooh, another stun.
Oh, he's got the dachry there.
Side, that's Shackborn!
He's spanked.
He's dead for 90 seconds, no buyback on it as he's short on the gold.
He's spanked his bolt for the crit.
That might just be game fucked.
I think it is.
Nice.
The Andex.
They could take the top set of barracks.
They're still at tier two, mate.
So maybe enough breathing room for one wing
to have another shot this game.
The Andex is understanding exactly what they need
to just kill a target.
Socks are with the stolen dragantail.
I didn't see him having it.
Just telekinesis and dragantail and Maladix, and shat's gone.
Yep, nothing to save them.
Way too much damage coming in at a mark.
BGM.
Try to jump in, but he's gonna try to destroy him!
Look at the BGM, he's surely far too late, he's gonna take down Solo!
As BGM's gonna be dying like the 33,
they're all maledicted.
Lightly dead outside the base.
They all died of maledict, yeah?
Oh, I don't know if we've got who's gonna get through next time, especially if it's available for maledict.
Having a great company finish with Max Level down, you're not quite...
He's fun to follow rescue.
Well, yeah, he's cool!
Yandex taking one!
this hero versus these taking course actually looks insane. What are you
supposed to do? They itemize it with arts to try to reach it through and
they're just like guys put dead in one spot. And they're just a great cause with
it right? When you have like the ember and the clings these are two heroes that
are gonna be guaranteed getting damage on top of whoever gets caught by the
Maladiks and I mean even a lot of the times Maladiks didn't even use cores. He
would do his own with Deathworn, the Voodoo Switcheroo, a very impressive looking
game here from Yandex and one when they managed to draw the game out but it
never really looked like they had the means to close it up. Yandex, take game one!
You know, I've heard as a criticism for Witch Doctor that, you know, it does great on the lane
and then kind of falls off. I think Maladine managed to solve whatever issue the Witch Doctor had,
or at least it looked amazing in this game. It was a very back and forth game, which
credit to one win we weren't expecting it to be that close for as long as it was chosen.
No, there was a lot of high-skill stuff happening, I think, from both sides. One win.
We did like the draft, you know, going in. I think they held on very, very well to this game, even here in this highlight.
They're still, like, pretty much somewhat even, but I think towards, like, the latest stages of the game, Yandex were, like,
just showing perhaps a little more, like, discipline and, I think, also clutchness around some of these plays with Madaldy's performance on the witch talk.
And I think Saxa, too, maybe a little more hidden, but he also owned this game.
Yeah, I mean, I feel like after the game progressed, Yandex just had simplicity. Like, how do you win the game?
Okay, you set up a hero in front of Watson, you get a right tech tier unit,
it opens up the initiation every single time to make sure Malady or Saxo have that entry.
And then for one win, like, with the Viper carry, I get that clearly giving Shad like heroes he wants to play,
but like, you know in the back of your mind, if you haven't got your Shard, if you haven't taken an agent,
if you haven't like whittled down some tower and like shown your authority in the first study,
you are at the end of the day. Just a Viper. You're not some epic clink,
Terribly Sven faces avoids type hero that takes over the late game like you really just disappear
I think like a woman they did a very good job trying to be as loud as possible
I just
That's that's that's the thing. Yeah, yeah, that's very good comps and I hope it was in that
I hope it was truly
This fight like at all this chaos and he just like I won't take a five
the first time we saw the
team. They looked too hot.
You next did look very solid
in this one. They had a plan.
They stuck to the plan, and we
also saw their first
performance on the necro foes.
They had not played it before
and they did well. I think the
nice thing as well, like even
when the graph shows it like
they're not just steam rolling
the game the entire time in
Yandex or again, props to one
win. And also it's like a Mars
playing an offline away. He
had to pay more sacrificial.
you win me the game, I'll just survive and be a bit more of like a, a sacrificial blob.
And I think it just shows the dynamic that Yandex can create with this team, how scary
they will become, because it's not like you have to see a mark, not top net worth.
And yeah, across the board, got to talk though, this day, and I don't want to hype up Dagon
as a, oh my God, you should buy it.
But in theory, it's kind of cool.
Yeah.
It's kind of cool.
Yeah.
But for which doctor cast range is cool.
Yeah.
But A for lens, you buy it and then you just kind of go, what else?
why not go for a dig and get that cast range and if the game is going well you can go higher.
I do feel like this was such a steamrolly game. You owe it will look good, but this hero,
one of the few that can actually buy it and it doesn't look ugly. And it makes sense with the
Maladict. Yeah. No, it's good. Curse, you're done. Exactly. And that's for real. I'm a fan. And also
Malady like this guy, he does cool shit. When you see him perform like this, you can copy this,
But just mind you you got to be good so most of the people they can do it and win. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and we we saw obviously
There are the beautiful graph just just there where it was fairly even for a long time
But there was one moment where it did start to did heavily towards the annex and was around the 40 minute mark
What happened? There's a lot of cool things first of all that happened is fight like Janix have a high ground ward
And while Amar ran in he turned off his radiance
We couldn't get stunned like by Ari on the next and I think what they're doing so well
In fact, both teams played incredibly well, but you can tell at least a little bit that one when they're overstepping quite a bit
If a few of these things had been a bit different, you know, if there's no lift back from Saksa
They're not gonna, you know end up that deep within the team fight and Malady
He found like all these fights and I think it had to do with their move on it
He gets all of these good Maladyx off even a more like growing deep into the fight
He gets off the side and they're just kind of playing on their limits
And I think you can slowly see from this time onwards that just these dragged out fights
They're not good for them if it starts with a melodic
It doesn't matter if you timber if you're DK you're gonna die out same also
Necrophos the longer the game goes the higher HP you have people just keep trucking you down slowly but surely and if those things aren't doing it
Well, then you have Watson to back you up with all the physical damage
So I think just the longer this game was gonna go it was always gonna be easier for them
It's also the fact that yandex they respect this immensely from the game as well
I'd like to mind like which doctor going for a holy locker that you don't always see by additional time the way that a ma
Like you said turning off the radiance all these little things build up to the point where there isn't enough lockdown on one win
Yeah, so it's like they have to get the kill really quickly or you will get outplayed in the longer fight
And I think 20 to 30 it felt okay for them
But when you said when 40 it's like okay, we just don't have the items there's no hexes and pistols and no way to actually go
This is my kill. Yeah, and then we had another moment happening
And that was pretty cool a little bit of Rubik action coming out from Saxon
This is just clutch like earlier
he steals a DK stun and then Shad is just slightly out of position and honestly this should they have a 10k lead
But it's like these little moments when this Viper dies without Vibeck the game ends and it's not like some
Some crazy smoke they're going around, you know using all their R buttons
No, it's just I have a stolen spell you make a quick call you find the one little moment lift the K stun
Game's over, but we learned one really important thing guys
Oh as necrophos you can cast your ultimate
Yeah, when the 4 HP
Yes, because by the time you press it and then they take damage they will still die the man of necro players
You see in time. It's like concept of time. Yeah, it's like I have to hit it when they're on this life
No, no, no when you're here and your team is a team they can do it too
So please use your scythe earlier on necro. And sometimes it's just nice to make the enemy players stop moving
You know, it doesn't stand so good
We saw our users ultimate sometimes without getting that kill at the end because you know
It would help the fight benefit the team, you know, that's all good. You can do that too if you want to
We are gonna also take a look at a comparison
Why are we having this awkward comparison between a mid and a hard support Tegav?
I just wanted to show this comparison 25 minute mark
White one had the highest hero damage in the entire game with
13,821 second to that was the ember spirit and also kill participation white one was number one in the game
Ember was second. I mean the main thing here is 25 minutes into the game
You're playing through your techies to be your soul damage
And I think at this point like the Timbersoul was on like 20% kill participation
Yeah, like 4,000 damage and it's like it's a lot easier to play through a core because like any minute someone else will go
Okay, thank you now. Let's get the kill but with a techies
It's like if you have one bad death if you have one bad initiation if he's your main damage source and your tempo
It disappears by ember mission mis-initiating. He's gonna have a BKB
I was worried that the stats
showed that White Moon was doing
the heavy lifting and there
wasn't like a Timbersaw there
or a Viper there to fill some
of the shoes.
Yeah, there definitely was a
little bit lacking on that
department for one win, but
again, not a bad showing for a
game one. Game two is coming
your way very soon and we are
going to find out if one win
can get that one win.
Team Yandex have made a
shakeup and I'm here with said
shakeup. How's it going?
I'm going to move on to the
next one.
I'm going to move on to the
next one.
I'm going to move on to the
next one.
I'm going to move on to the
with said shaker, how's it going Amaya? Looking very different.
I'm good, I'm not used to this but it's very exciting and fun to see.
Yeah that's what I wanted to ask actually. Has it given you a new sort of perspective to play now
that you're in a different team?
We're definitely not seeing the same people for 5000 more years.
I'll definitely miss them the more it moves out, but I'm very excited.
It's like a very, finally I get to see something in New York.
Yeah, I mean I'm sure with so long and so many tournaments with Falcons,
it sort of becomes like family where you know each other so well,
you love each other but also you hate each other at the same time, right?
Yeah, because we saw each other more than our families,
So it's like at this point, I probably know about him more than his family here at this point.
Like I want to punch him at this point, like get the fuck out, you know?
Yeah, for sure, for sure. So yeah, coming to this tournament with a new team, how's that like?
What's it been like in the few days you've kind of been on Yandex?
I don't know, it's still weird for me. It's like playing scrims and it's like I'm still not really processing.
So it's just a very, very new, but I'm very excited and that's what drives me at least.
Absolutely. Do you think you're going to change yourself a lot to fit in with this team
or has the team said they want to kind of fit your style or is it kind of somewhere in the middle?
To be honest, it's really hard to say. The only thing I can process is like,
like skitters here, Meldin is this, now it's like a full different, now it's actually hard.
I just try to play how I used to play. It just moves on time.
Yeah, absolutely. Well of course you'll be seeing your ex-teammates at this tournament as well.
You've got Snaking playing on LGD and then of course Skitter over on Aurora as well.
So what's that going to be like playing against them?
Well, obviously, first, both these teams, very good choice.
They're two times TI winners, no doubts.
Playing against them, the only thing I care is to fuck them.
I came to the tournament, I'm no problem last place,
but I wanted to be even last more than them.
Every time I think of Yandex, I'm mostly thinking of Saxa, to be honest.
So, is this a player which you've wanted to play with for a while?
Saks is like one of them probably to humble, obviously I want to stay humble but he's probably the most
best insane laner right now that exists. I hope he stays with me and not a grief and I don't
grief obviously but it's definitely a big factor and the other factor is from the
original Tundra Esports. So I went from Tundra Esports to more Tundra Esports players so I can
and I've sticked to the whole how they play the game.
I see, I see, always staying with it inside the original Tundra OGs.
That's very interesting.
Well, I mean, you've already mentioned some of your other teammates,
but there's been a lot of shuffles going on.
Which of the teams are you most interested in seeing how they perform,
which of the new teams that is, who have formed from the shuffles?
Well, the most interesting one is I want to see
how Malrin is going to lose every tournament.
When his team is revealed, and I beat him, and I'll tell him that I was right, it's
the same as LGD and Aurora, skater against naking, it's the same battle, who was right?
Because they are the two times TI winners together, they've played together for like
the longest, so it's the better skater against naking and me against Malin, who was right?
Alrighty. Well, I'm looking forward to seeing you play in this tournament.
Last question. Do you think there's any underdogs at this event?
Any of these sort of smaller teams that you think could cause a bit of an upset?
Okay, so first of all, I think,
personally for me, playing against tier 2 and tier 3 teams, it's harder than tier 1,
because you don't even know what the fuck is happening.
You're going to just pick some, like, five most random heroes and it's actually a bull construct.
So I believe 3 or 2 teams are going to do something that I have no idea what it is.
I'd be more excited to see you playing on Yandex Amar.
Thank you so much for coming to talk to me and good luck.
I'd like to see you tonight.
Thank you.
You know, if Yandex does win game number two,
then that would be Skeeter on the other side of Amar in the matchup.
And if LGD manages to beat Extreme Gaming tomorrow,
then the match after that, and also again, nice manners to beat Aurora, then the match after that,
Amar gets to go up against Naking. So all lines up pretty nicely, but it does all start with
winning this series. Of course, so far they're on the right track, and we see Moon laying a pretty
strong foundation here for the draft, very vocal, love to see it coming in with the plant, always
a good thing, and I do think we should focus on one win because they have not got that one yet.
I think it goes along the lines of guys when I pick Viper, I want you to be happy, okay guys?
Like, don't be upset, like the Viper, we should have to be in a good place, all right?
Just simmer down, no, realistically, um, I think, we were really kind of spoke to good lengths
that one would have an early mid-game to play into, they're just missing that one little element
and be it a way to, like, even the Russian, they get the Aegis and the Viper, but then they instantly lose it
like, of course, as Celeros was like, if they could maybe take the Aegis and a clean away reset go again,
maybe the game is different. Of course it was such a competitive back and forth that
yeah, maybe you could focus more on gameplay than draft, but you can make it easier.
Because at the end of the draft you said the main question was going to be like,
can they execute what they have? Now that you've seen the game in action, is it
a draft that they need to adjust on more or is it gameplay?
I would lean more on the gameplay side, but even then I don't think it's like they got
bodied at all. I think it was very small specific moments where it's like,
I think some of the fights that they even lost, it's not that they played poorly.
I think it's just that Yandex will make you like that.
You need to take that extra step or be like one second faster
that a different team that would give you those one or two seconds to think about,
whereas Yandex, they don't.
So a little more clean less, a little more clean,
and then maybe look at one or two heroes different.
But I think that's it. There's nothing more that needs to be done.
Well, even with the witch doctor and Yandex, because of that being in the game,
Malady sacrificed himself heavily, being level two at like what, minute five or something?
Yeah, like, forever.
He was running around, but because of that, 33, he died multiple times early on.
He had to take a slow entry to the game.
And like, when you have a DK mid enabled by Techies,
you have a Viper that's, you know, threatening the Necker.
Like, if you're off laner, just has like, 10% better game,
that could create the whole kind of tempo and way in which you just sweep through a map
and just skirmish non-stop.
But I think the Witch-Shotter just did a perfect job at just stabilizing the game
to buy time for everyone to feel like they could, you know...
Yeah, he also just ate one wins reserve time
Gapping for like 40 seconds. He's still yapping. I'll buy for you give give a break
No, he wanted to give a speech before explaining why he banned out the witch doctor
Hold up guys. Give me three minutes
This is why which doctor first base is needed. What does it leave in the pool that we normally see banned out previous game?
We had the
Still banned out earth spirits is the one that I was gonna mention after that. It's already picked up
this is a chosen poison they'd rather face earth spirit than the witch doctor
that speaks a lot towards my boy the doctor because CJ's earth spirit is a
very damn good it was already good at TI I'm sure he's played even more pubs of
it yeah 78% win rate I think enough said so yeah so my boys with one win what
you want to do about it.
The spirit battle.
How does this go?
I would even say that both are just very happy.
Then it just depends.
Both kind of do very well on the lane.
They're going to build similar items with the vessel into BKB
and keep scaling.
So there's going to be a lot of 3v3 skirmishing battles.
So I think the supports now is actually what's the important part.
It's so refreshing when you see these cores.
Because like I just said at the end, it is the supports that bring it to life.
Will there be a techies on one side?
They're going to be a Marana, the Willows, the Hoodpinks, all of these heroes amplify the mid so much that the runes mean a lot.
I have a question.
Question up.
If you are one win, will you still ban Slark out of respect for it being so good against it?
Because we know that's a pleasure.
I'm scared if you need to.
You got to be led through.
I would probably let it through, I don't know.
I feel like you let it through and then you're the team that goes,
But so how could they make it work? I guess you would have to do like some
Earth Spirit with Darkseer but then again Amar doesn't really play that but I
guess you can go the next level and be like yeah they can always play Earth
Spirit with any range here Amar plays. It is a thought. It very much is a
possibility. I'm very curious how they rate it because that's really gonna be the
telling one. This is the type of thing where it's like you if you're too afraid in
the draft, you start banning things on a motion rather than logic. And right now, like you
have to apply the logic that Ursprit is one of the best mids. If they are sacrificing
it for a slug, then we're going to get something else in return and say, I don't know, I would
like to think that you don't ban it here based on draft setup. To be fair, though, support
Ursprit with like the, uh, like Aphelion, Shard, ads, all this stuff, the amount of like random
kiting you can do in the fights and saving, it is pretty cool. Just getting there is difficult.
leave it in yeah they they have the same two opening it's like the fusel bed is
absolutely nothing right now okay at least the necro is taken out this time
around so you know your timber is gonna have a bit of an easier time like later
throughout the game even the witch doctor which I think where some of his
like biggest problems overall in the last game anyway so good adjustments there
at least in terms of the bands.
I wouldn't mind if we saw the return of like the the Dazzle formality, bring back a bit more
sustainability in the fights, kiting your Earth for it. When he jumps in into like Ember and
Timbersaw, you kept this area getting blown up. But now with the Dazzles, okay, he's going to
rush like Lock It Blink and he'll keep me alive. So I don't have to think about these items. You
can even be a bit greedy over itemization as well. Like Kaios and Vessel before the BKB, if
if you have the Dazzle, but...
No, Dazzle's good. I would send it, for sure.
Even against Ember, you know, like you get some physical armor,
you get like slow heals against his poking.
It's super good.
If you want to be really toxic, you can go like,
I mean, Dazzle Techies or Dazzle Shadow Demon
is where I'm sitting at the moment,
just so it's like two really impactful supports
in the skirmish and the fight.
They happily run to runes, they contest them,
they bring a lot of life to the fight.
fight. I'm so ready for this. I mean, yeah, woman had to be the team. Oh, I'm really curious
to see what they have what they do with the Earth spirit though, because that's kind of
unprecedented. Yeah, I'm really interested about like the next couple of days because
also with the techies you mentioned, if they don't take it, one win will surely scoop it
up. Why one has been owning on this hero. It's super good with the two guys he's playing
with as well so yeah and then later one would need to be aware it's gonna be a
pause for earth's bird you're gonna enable him with Amar Amar doesn't play
your most traditional heroes so don't open up to some razor viper on 18 please
don't this not just be like slot carry and you're not overthinking the draft too
much could be maybe because of the timbers and then it's like you have
slot bane in your safe lane you try and threaten the Timbers all there you give
you're like 18 picked or more to give it more like stability to your life because you are kind of going down a very
Wind lane run around the map skirmish start of play
I'm just I'm just excited to see whether you hear it's good
Let's talk should be good now like usually against timber it is like some like in terms of laning
It used to be like somewhat hard or it can be but with Shiv. I think you just destroyed this guy in the lane
So yeah, it absolutely can be the carry
I don't I probably will see a more play off lane us for it
But the tree is like 33 has been playing off lane us for a lot of his pubs. He also played it. I believe at TI one time or something
You know, it's like if the teams were switched
That's where you see the creativity of the other it's like but here. It's like a mark probably ain't playing it
It sucks to play in the earth for it
That's the one when just kind of going down the path of let's pick the best heroes for all our players in a straight line
So, yeah, he's the only remember 33 get your timbersaw hoodwink. Yeah for Ari
I mean you can't really complain about that though, right?
You never can.
For the last two years where HoTwin gets picked for the four players, you can't complain about
it.
It's just very, very stable.
And I think this is the most interesting pick in the draft right now is, are we going
to pick white ones here or here?
Like a ringmaster in the five position to have that save against the bane.
Is techies no longer good?
It's okay.
You have some like ground stun into the Slark, you have the mines to scout him out to stop
him from running around the map.
Okay, they're going to run him.
They are really giving Shad light. Okay, you're gonna see every here in the game. What do you want to play Shad?
That's a lot of pressure. Yeah
All right, so 18th pick if you want to keep it ambiguous where is
Earthspear is going you go for your offlaner at this point in the draft, correct?
Yeah, I mean, I think they can just slot in the VIPers
They won't like this guy will just call for his hero and I think you can make it work if they want to be weird
I think you can like look at
Doom, like Doom is good against the two cores, am I right? So not that one
Like I wouldn't be opposed if they just slept in a Mars here here
I think out of the heroes that you would like to lane if the Earthsburg is the four that is you know
Then I think this should be a Mars pick
It is the clink
Okay, so then it's yeah, I'll split to four, slot to mid, clink to carry
And everything that clinks in the last game, it will just be doing again this time around
Mm-hmm like the moron is not gonna have to waste the leaps to disengage from clink's initiation
And would say have to scurry away and then timber ember these like wait. Oh, oh, what did we forget?
Amara's plate slot offline
The true, but there's no real purpose. Yeah
We're still at the deduction of
But it was like clink's is very good
Why the fuck's it's not good
It might just go into the mid lane. It is the only hero that is that good against Ember that he trashes it.
I said that sentence if I didn't already have a police.
If you did not really like yeah, I wanted to go mid. I don't know why I'm asking where I should go.
I haven't double-checked just for the fun of it.
Yeah. How many games of spirit and more hands.
I'm going to go with the same as it's enigma zero.
Yeah, correct. Zero.
We do have supports being banned out.
Grim, Wade, Wade, what is happening? Why is there a Grimstroke ban?
the game. They're expecting
Earthbeard mint. This is 33.
That's in his head because he
doesn't. He doesn't. I call
full cap. This is a viper or
razor picked out a phase on 23.
I would agree. I feel like that
is the trajectory that's going
to go. Um. But you know, it
got it. Maybe the grim stroke
would be especially good.
That's not going to happen.
I think that's a good one. Maybe
the Grimstroke would be
especially good. Maybe that's a
Mars hero. I do like the Grimstroke
conceptually just for the fact
that you have like Slark and
Earth. It naturally just want
to jump into a lot of fights.
You have so binding to Tim
but I'm like it on paper. It's
good, but it is some. Just
bad some things that we think
are good, but we'll see whether
here is going a second. Well,
if it's five for all razor, only
I am thinking you well first of all it's a Mars so you're already thinking some of those
Yeah, well, let's see. They they truly believe that
Maybe there were some scrims that were unawares on for sure. Yeah
Always true. I mean, I'm so happy right now. It's how the drafts go
It's like fuck. I can't wait to play hoodwing into some people have that as their focus face
I am myself. I'm uh resting surface and focus phase is great at grumpy. Yeah, right?
You know people have that let's see. Let's not judge people. I wasn't judging. It's not a fact
For is just a range for
Like they didn't have to overthink it on one when these double supports. It's just a bit left field
But you really would have to assume like what?
Why would you think that slot just randomly goes off like this and I don't know you don't see the carry. Yeah
I see
Okay, so hold what can we cook here? I need some I need a gigapig from Chad. How about
Need a good lane into a good game
Stop telling a story we need heroes Kelsie. Good buying time. What does the hero need to be able to do?
I cannot find the single hero Chad plays in this tournament that wins this lane right now
TB like okay, so summons or illusions would be insanely good against the tri-core
There's PL TB in like an older matter. I think some players would have busted out brood carry
I don't think he plays this, sadly.
I think he's got the juicy dabble of it, but...
Like, Naga, TB, PL.
His current pick list is not to go near,
so I think we need to do something new from Shad.
A PL? Yeah, they do go to PL.
So PL...
It is a insane PL game, once you break later into the game.
Of course, you do need to balance the fact that, like,
jumping onto the Viper into the toxins can be a little weird,
but you do by Bloodthorn, so you can, like, rip them apart that way.
It is Shadow the Big Boy carry.
like, we wanted to see him on a different hero than Viper.
I...
You know, if I'm Shad...
Yeah.
I'm gonna be on my Phantom Lance, I'm gonna be, you know, you're chilly,
or at least trying to chill, you're just farming.
But...
My gosh, the game can be decided before he even gets to say a single word in his game,
because that mid lane is gonna potentially be atrocious.
The Klink speaks out the Timber like we saw in the last game.
Sure, there's no witch doctor, but Bane can also be as annoying,
like, night-marrying the Timber chain and just keeping him in place a little bit longer.
longer, then you have the Slark into the Ember. Pretty much for Shad, if he is to win this
game, he has to like mute his entire team. He has to ignore all comms and go, guys, I
am joining when I have like Manta plus one, maybe Manta plus two, I'll join the fights
I want to join. You do not call me to any of your pressure, because I need to win this
game with my atomization. And if at any point he feels like he has to help his team, and
he ruins his farm pattern, I think Yandex final is going to be very happy. But it is
a PL that can take over games. We have seen Arme showcase the strength of the hero. Shad
need to be army. I'm just worried that because because he's been a little bit of the scapegoat of
the squad and I feel like this is one of the position where he is set up for his like he he's
set up for both to be honest I think he can shine in this game I'm not saying it's easy because I
think even if they stabilize their lane they might be a slot that's showing up because he's doing
well made it like they can kind of bleed like into his lane but if they can hold and if wipe one can
put on a good performance they pull some cans if they make time he will win this game later okay
like nearly auto beats these three
cores after like 35 40 minutes.
Primitively community please
Twitch chat, Reddit, whatever
if Chad does lose this game,
if they lose it's not Chad for
I think the draft has made him
feel like the main focus of
please do not blame Chad.
Don't blame Chad.
You can blame the coach though
we're heading over.
Thank you very much Shiva.
Yeah, well, um, okay,
maybe I mean this is a really
interesting draft coming over
in Yandex.
Um, those two support bands at
the end were you anticipating
anticipating the switch up to the core or were you just making sure those heroes didn't get picked?
We were anticipating that they wanted to put Slark middle and would a bit of
Georgina gonna play offlane or they're gonna pick a viper. We had discussions about the viper
but we felt like if they take viper that's a big hole in their draft because reddit told me
random Lancer was OP all right well I guess we'll see if reddit is right that's
in here did they have like no answer to this hero here they answered they can end
the game and win three lanes effectively which is what they're going for it's a
very aggressive approach random Lancer if they managed to do that then we lost
but you believe in the boys right you're gonna pull out a win here right we
We just need some OG magic, cosmic chaos, delay the timings, and eventually, Ana PL will carry.
I mean, Shad GPT, PL will carry.
Shad GPT, let's see if he can get it!
Tyler jumping to game number 2 with ODPixLandFold!
There we go, he's trading with the action!
Looking to see if they get that first blood!
Fairy fire!
By the way, they got Quad Bounties.
Oh!
Yeah, Dex got Quad Bounties.
Yeah, that's...
Got another kick slow
Are they gonna get this kill?
Hang on it's not where I did them
Looks like he's okay. I think he's okay. Yeah, my mom is not gonna keep chasing
So won't get the first blood and as you say with that distraction
Yeah, I'm next to get the four bounties to stop game two. So look at the what they're doing in mid
They're dual-laning the slark there if you want to do this matchup fine
We're gonna dole in you we're gonna put the pressure on you with the extra hits
So this is something people have theorycrafted for some time see if that theorycraft does work that does mean that Watson
Complete free farm and for 33 he's gonna be completely sacked with this
So see if that does end up working for him when you do look at it on paper
It does look similar in a way to the game we had the other day, right?
I'm a playing the PL completely owned but he had to get to that point
He had a very free game pretty much the entirety of it and leading to that point and it was up to that
Yeah post 35 minutes when he kind of decimated the game. Let's see if they can make it to that 35 minutes
Because it does look like Dandix is looking to apply a ton of pressure by dominating at
least two of the lanes.
Well, actually, they're looking to dominate all three lanes, right?
Because even looking to crush top, because, sure, an appeal game on paper as the game
progresses looks good, but the lane is definitely not easy versus Viverr's Spirit.
That's going to be fun to see this as well, right?
Some sacks of Spirit.
I mean, just this sort of era in this position, not something we really get to enjoy that much,
because every time it's been picked up, you've got all the mid-players fighting over it.
Exactly.
It's kind of okay in the 4th position too. It's just OP in the mid lane, right?
Because we did see for some time some other players trying, and it's like,
like, right now.
Saksa, shoot time, return!
Amar also taking a ton of damage here, but he's okay.
Yeah, Shad, he might end up taking a lot of damage himself.
Yeah, he looked ahead at the tree, so...
Oh, for one, but...
Hey, Jando's getting a hit first, a first blow up to them.
And I do have to be honest, like, you know, are he starting mid?
Sure, trying to help out, but I don't know how much this changes the map to him.
I think that this Slark is still just gonna be fine.
As soon as you have level 2 ship, Ember just can't really play the lane.
Yeah, I think it doesn't really make too much difference at all.
So, I mean, we'll have to say, maybe it will, but I've seen this match up a lot, even when they give him an advantage.
And as soon as that level 2 ship comes out, he just keeps using it on you.
So every single time you walk up and it hurts.
He's able to control pretty well around the runes too, because he gets the boots early, so you're very fast to contest versus Ember as well.
He's going to have, as expected, a very good time management matchup, Chiragini on the
slot versus M, but you heard it from Moon himself, right?
They're looking to cause chaos.
They're looking to just be kind of all over the place with this game to make space, that's
all what the name of the game is.
Space for PL to get to the later stages.
I think Kepler, Chiragini, but he's prepared, has a sound for the ready.
BZM, but it actually is helping them, so, okay, not going to completely zone off, usually you do see them just off the lane at the level 3, so he's getting a bit more out of this in the anticipated.
Because of the move from R.E. Bottom, Maudi gets to sleep, do they have the damage?
Watson's scared to step up, R.E. is going to get trade with them.
Oh, we'll get R.E.'s carry out.
I'm going to be able to play for R.E. a little bit.
He's got a brain step with the mango, he'll have to use the Lotus to push him away.
There's a nice Bane lane. Look at this. This can freely walk up for some nice acorn bounces though. Duke come in, has a sleep with the mango.
He goes down in 33, actually. Just get faded.
Kills on both lanes coming in against the cores.
They're looking to smash the lanes and already absolutely doing so. As we said, the Ember was starting to do a little better, but at 99, Chira, crushing it.
And let's see what Soxa does with his movements too, right?
Shirt doesn't want to leave the Viper too much in the top lane, but absolutely can't
make the swings to kill these lanes even more if he wants to.
Another one from Malady down there, but a win the fight against Darcy in the mid, Chirra baits
in BZM.
Well that was very close to the point where Chirra would have actually felt strong enough
to pounce in and threaten the life of BZM.
It's getting pretty scary for him in that mid-match up.
Yep, he's going to be able to get this water rune too, get the protection BZM, does at
at least get the fill-up if not able to get any secured CS really.
Lane's already being broken, Ari's looking to try to help things out here with the movement, Soxa.
Like it broke down, he was looking for a neutral deny, and he gets it with the stick charge.
He's been quite nuisance up top.
He is annoying, that was a blood grenade he just suspended to from wipe on.
Bottom 33 dead again.
Oh, this looks really rough.
Like sure, the P-Op game on paper, you really gotta make it though.
It's 3K, leave pre-5 minutes.
And not to say that they don't have nothing versus PL. Sure, they don't have a lot, but
Clink's if he gets big enough at some points, he can wipe these illusions.
And with this sort of star, he's probably gonna be big enough.
Yeah.
Cause you can even change your itemization. You don't see it anymore, right? But there
is the potential where you just go these desso into Mjolnir's eventually on the Clink stew,
right? Sure, it's not as great as it once was, but if you are that big, you can start
to adapt the item builds. A very hot start here for the side of the index, Amar. Getting
to do Amar things. Wipe on, I think it's just that. Good communication between them
two. He knows that he used the double leaps to go for the attempt to kill. Then controlling
the CS here versus Shad. Ember is jungling. Timber is jungling.
He's coming across to be annoying here for BZM.
This looks really rough. He can just block some camps, right? You know that this Ember is going to be jungling.
I'm just going to take away the XP as well. So they have two cores jungling already at this point.
And Shad might be close to.
Yes, he might. Yes, he might be.
Is this lane any... It's not going to get any more fun against this Viper.
No, because nobody wants to go up there either. The two supports if they try to contest them or he'll just kill them
They got to help BZM somehow okay, so they'll swing the marauder over to try to push malady away, but now the rest of the index is here
BZM and stole both of the last hits on the neutrals
He just set and stole his neutrals, and then the mid comes across and also kills him so
BZM early game experience here going from rougher to rougher
I
We've seen some stumps
My goodness this might be one of the better ones
What 19 minutes well that game was over that game was over at like the 10 minute mark, right?
Yeah, the Navi one in particular we are talking about but this is one that I would say they do want to accelerate in similar fashion
And do have ways to kill buildings fast you can itemize for it, right the viper can go shard
Can't just look to end the game with a clink's death so early too.
Absolutely something I think we'll see Yandex go for.
And speaking of Yandex, wisdom time.
Yeah, that would definitely take that a one win set almost certainly without the luck tree of getting theirs whenever they want.
Nice micro from Shad at the least, does end up juking them with the illusion, doesn't end up dying at top.
I think the two supports on one end just have to hug each other.
I think you have to play to hope that Yandex overextends and then the damage that comes between the three of you is going to be enough.
Because you can't split apart so much anymore at this point when all three lanes have lost
All right standing strong treads double-rape man
Always have the protection to of Soxa if he does get too far forward Soxa can't just pull him out too
So I like the support Earth spirit even though you don't see it as much you do have a save
mid
See what one trying to help
My fist gives a bit of safety for BZM, but he's still dead.
And now Whitemon.
Uh, he's... well, is he gonna be fine?
Yeah, he's gonna be fine.
I'm gonna tell you two.
And Whitemon, he gets a kill against Dari.
Whitemon might still get though if he's got a leap, but if he gets connected, he might
die.
If that pounce hits, but...
And he's being careful, Church, you know, knows that he's getting quite the leap right
now.
Doesn't want to throw it away.
He knows his limits.
Think all of them do at this point.
net worth on Watson in comparison to the rest of the course.
Baldy, he wants 33 and he's got a 1.3 brain set.
Oh, and this is a shellacking indeed.
Might be on track to be the biggest stone we've had.
Yeah.
Like, yeah, 7K leader, 8 minutes in.
I don't think we've had anywhere close to that sort of leader.
Up here this quickly.
It's only, it's only, it's 1K per minute.
Have we had a 1K per minute 310?
No.
We're not there yet, but it's getting dangerously close.
The way that they set these lanes up, they're just getting this Viper last pick.
It's seeming beautiful.
Here we go. Easy.
We've got this last thing.
Bring everybody.
Yeah, they should get a mile.
Oh, Saks, it does a lovely little pull of a kickback,
but not enough to save, and the whole team turning up for that one moment.
All five of them.
And they almost lost BZM out of it.
Nice try there from Saks, they're getting the save.
These are moves you just have to make when you're at the step
and you have to bring the squad like my Malady to.
A bush whack.
Fun change.
BZM, careful.
4 heroes here chasing the bag.
Slice coming, careful.
Can they get Malady? They will get him.
Nice bounce back.
But now they may pack.
As T-Junior is able to take one of them.
Jutsu is going to turn up. Doesn't have a lot to fight with at the moment.
T-Jura is ready to head over to wards him.
See if they can finish off Saxa.
They can. Can Shag get out?
Nobody blocks with 33.
Trying to keep Chad safe, but he won't.
I'm going to kill them all.
Double kill for T-Junior.
Oh, Timber Chain in time from 33.
He even predicted the point of the Timber Chain, almost caught him in between it.
I've seen this in my games before.
Slark versus the world when he gets to this advantage, the ship.
You think you got it, but you don't.
BGM shows up to the lane.
Can't even go for the power rune.
Let's see if he does a slight steal.
And monster is going to do a rev-in steal.
Oh, nicely.
Little fancy there.
You can feel the desperation though.
Five heroes porting to top to assist their PL.
And the fuse of time is going to be brutal from Chura Junior.
Some good versus everybody, especially when you're at this type of an advantage.
Top to pressure towers through, catapult in the mid lane, and another potential kill.
Light one will actually be okay.
Just kidding.
Get slept and pulled back.
Got the snack at the chair.
Ah, he saves his bro, tends to give me more XP though,
cause it's actually level 6, hopefully compared to a level 4 Murana.
Easy M, I have to be cautious there, but it's still cool now.
So get very close to the point where Malady will have level 6.
He supports potentially, can start solo-killing cores.
Once is ready to get super aggressive, he knows the white one's low.
Oh, he's seen some, they know where he is.
Goodbye.
He'll get to arrow the catapult at least,
stop some of that push.
There's no glyph though. They're actually hitting a tier 2 at this point. It's 11 minutes in, there's no glyph to push the creeps off, Watson pushing the limit.
And Shad, desperately trying to find a place to farm.
I think this is the poorest I've ever seen, 33.
I clicked on his inventory, I clicked on him and I was like, wait, I clicked on the wrong hero's inventory and then like, wait, no I didn't, that's 33's inventory.
Alright, his face boots were coming to be fair, but still it looked pretty grim.
Up.
That looks pretty dead.
Dodges some damage, but now Ari comes to assist and he also might just go down.
The Amar Viper, when he gets off to these type of starts.
And he'll do it here setup, but you're a junior to come across take another kill. Oh, these yet next guys are pretty good
We've seen them do these sort of stumps before
You can hide they're trying right they're trying their best to break with chaos, but it's not worth it's actually hurting them more
In fact, they're perhaps responding to some of these moves. Everyone's just dying BGM shows back up
He's got no revenue slap he's any we'll get back in the base
still damage with the Mcintyles, the right flicks from Amar, he'll throw a dip, it's always good old buddy, BZF
you know, it could be as good as a PL game as ever, but if you have no cores and you're alone, I don't know how good of a PL game it has to be for you to try to be able to bring it back
Deso done. Timing's going to be absurdly fast.
They can hit you two very early.
Ari, with this Enviz, looking to set a trap. Watson also looking to set a trap for Shad.
I don't think he can get Shad so low.
He's got plus coming though. Softs is on his way.
This local break. Ari's Enviz will break it, but Shad, I'll tell you what, he's done a pretty good job of really making it happen so low.
They know which one it is.
to a shot. He's dead. On to the next. 33 nearly time beyond the tower. Holy quality. Sacks
over the road forward. So it's going to be a clean up 33. They're trying to kill this
slug with the pallets back up. Cheers, you never hide in the trees. Once he gets the
triple rampage, he might get an ultra. Can he get the rampage? That rampage is quite
That might still be one up, but still an ultra kill, 13 minutes in, not too bad.
Yeah, not bad. Not too shabby. Not too bad at all. Not too bad.
Aw man. Yeah, these guys are disgustingly good, and the way that they do counter picking away...
Yeah, it's crazy that he got this Viper.
The way that they prepared the draft, it did catch them slightly off the guard there with the way that they positioned this Earth's period as the 4th position with the pivot.
pivot and the slot they tried right they tried to do the dual a mini event to
shut him down didn't work
Chira an absolute monster all right five minute more again
here we go
and sure they get him off and he got a decent amount of damage out enough to ensure that 33 came down with it
big brain from Chira blocking the sniper now hurry it's not over yet
Anniversary are with the brain sap Watson's already looking towards shot does get out with the moonlight shout out my saxa
He's in and prepare for the dust the kick won't hit though because the science can not the slope
Shots still able to retreat
Well, they five bandim they got him, but they did not out get out scuff free
33 might get overtaken by a bay in terms of net worth a BGM having to go first I can go scepter oh
Aw, and this is the item that you have to do versus the slug we've seen, like four players try this.
I don't think any- I don't think I've seen an Ember beat a Slark.
What have we actually seen one? Since TI?
I think I've seen them all lose.
They even tried doing the side lane Embers, and that lost too.
Yeah, that's kind of funny actually that they haven't done that since TI.
I guess they sort of saw what happened there, they're like, yeah, we-
we have to just accept the mid matchup, we're not running safe lane Ember.
If you're going to just pick the Ember, you just cannot be playing vs. Lock, it's just the hardest counter.
There's just nothing you can do, it seems to be.
Every time for some of these supports, just try practicing the support and take a move of it and up.
It's not that it's bad, I'm just going to try to say something about it.
The Grip comes out, the Barrage. Shab will at least kill Malady.
But Watson with the last laugh and 33.
He cannot find any farm. Shows up in the mid.
He's got the fight. He's queued up.
Oh, who's that?
Who's that?
That was quite slow there by Chara.
I think he saw the amp damage and he was like,
Oh, never mind. I want the amp damage.
I guess so.
Yeah.
Shite.
Barely can protect himself for his Watson on the ground.
Cindy's getting very close to him just dying solo to the Clint 20 shells.
No space on the map.
Deep aggressive wards.
Yandex showing no mercy.
Chirra, looking for the flank. Doesn't get the pounce connect.
Very nearly does get that.
They have the silenced follow-up if he does get it, they probably do get the kill, so...
Everyone on the side of one went hugging each other to look for a move, but they are actually
getting flanked on. They see all of them.
Get the push back in the arrow!
Ah!
On and up to fully lock him down!
We've got to shout it ourselves!
Whitemon!
Taken out here by Watson now!
Godlike!
They're just 17 minutes in with the clinked!
Well they'll hang on past that 19 minute early GG.
Well GG though he did see the other day but who knows how much longer.
This is painful.
Can't even get the cat kill on the chair when you land a 5 second arrow.
That baseboard that was placed quite a few minutes ago for Malady.
Spotted them all moving down to the area and then it spots them on the high ground.
30 kills.
And in the meantime, Chira, find a freebie.
33.
Which one does he buy?
He does buy the blink.
Yeah, there's no hope.
There's been no hope for a long time.
It just kills everywhere.
Tip off the socks.
And he's having a great time.
You know, Sax is like, he's actually
going to place Mercer for it, which is the same.
It's just something that's been a luxury for anyone outside
of the mid-roll.
Because it's always the mids that are getting it.
But Saks again to have some fun here with the support, I have spirit.
I think it's good. I do think so. It's just so broken in the mid lane.
Yeah, that is like if you get it as a team, you're putting it mid. Unless, of course, you have Runa put a Slark against an Ember, then you'll certainly do that instead.
Very much so. So, during here, Yandex.
Then we see Chirro after Defusal goes Mage Slayer, he's going to reduce any of the extra damage. This could be like a final smoke or a looking to get Chatshark, Chatshark something.
Five Chirros hugging him.
Give a shout, good.
Sorry, yeah, I'm walking in there.
It's a walking in there scenario.
Sometimes the games be like this.
Walking in there.
That was a good one.
Yeah, well just gonna accept the fact that I'm an ever-
Bottom 33
Also dead that Chad trying his best to micro
35 kills 20 minutes in I think we've seen kills that high ready from team especially over this sort of
Disparity here in the two of them keeping it at that lead. Whoa. That's a lot of bounty
What looks like they haven't been on their side
Bounty's white month. That's the most gold they've gotten
And that might actually be like a noticeable dip on the graph as it progresses right now
No, you don't even see it, they're too far ahead.
Valady looking for a solo play on Tbz, but now Woss is turned over.
He's going to clean up the action.
It says thank you very much.
24 desostacks already at this point, it's only 20 minutes in.
Valady dodging the damage.
They're going to get him.
Surely.
I'm going to get him.
What's with this triple kill?
Okay, they're gonna get all this right. Yeah, they're gonna cool it.
Oh, well.
Yeah.
Early night for us.
Yeah, for sure.
Everybody, what time is it? What time do we get some dinner at some early hour?
8.20.
Nice. Not bad.
Fresh folks still out there.
That's true, actually.
There we go.
Nice little juke play.
Dodge is a good amount of that damage actually.
It's the same thing again.
Yeah.
So clean up.
He's against it.
He's off.
What can you do? It's just one of those games, you know?
Games sometimes feel like that, so we'll go next.
At least they know. It's never going to be arguing or anything in this type of game.
You go, guys, you know?
At least we get some more refs for the game.
I don't understand what the hell is he doing.
That's a banger. That's a level 25 one.
That's got to be one of the 30 or 25 one. That is a banger.
Pike, Manta. Yeah, I got everything.
Lots of Nugget and Bean. Merciful, he has full aggons too. They're looking to close this pretty soon.
Is this Socks or Soloing?
Looks like it is.
That's the sort of that.
Oh no, Revenous at the ready!
That's 5.
Maybe for the Decrosion.
Oh, I can be easier. I'm not giving up.
Let's try it.
Try to get 1.
Thank you!
some colds. They'll get flicks. They'll get another. They're gonna get ballads. Okay.
Maybe a mark. Oh, sheer takes the arrow. Just kidding. Yeah. But this is what they should do.
Five minutes. They'll get a kill. I don't see this pretty oppressive.
EZM though. Taunting his way back to the fountain. Come on, even like body blocking with the
man that what the heck was that those truly bullying cheer it's just standing
behind him to block the spells to but they get Watson they go that's too bad
we got the money for those are you 33 33 yeah so two back Watson you're not
gonna be out of this one with zero that's my friend you do have the one so
cheer is gonna be a cop I've zero deaths competition between the cores on the
side of yandex and now the questions you index do even go for the Roche why not
They can't if they wanted any point. Yeah, they can just look the bush. Especially if there's an amplified damage right outside
I can just for cheer up
Very quickly take that here with Watson coming back into the game. Actually, I think he's down bottom wants to deal with the way down there
So he won't be around for Roche
Yeah, probably one of the
Earliest times you think to get max stacks on a dessonant gamer go to I think so right? Yeah
I think that's I've never seen 30 at 20 minutes. No, I think it's got to be the fastest
Do we have a stat line for that?
So he might have died there, but that might have been him going for like the maxing out the stats right in that fight that he was doing.
So he was just going for breaking records and what's the matter? I think he probably has.
In terms of maxing out your DeSso stats.
I want to say, yeah, because who else would have done it? It would have been like a TA, right?
A super early, in old days. In old days. Not now.
Not now. It's going to be the fastest.
Into the rush. Don't worry production. I was just messing with you. If you guys had that stat, I don't know what to do.
Obviously not.
He's up at the time. He's going to represent how fast things are going down for him.
Two minutes faster than the previous record, this axe picked up, and it's not even some sort of like axe rough, that's just the crazy thing about it.
I still got everything else online before it, and it's still two minutes faster than you'll see it from anyone else.
Yeah, I'd like it.
Time for high ground. First they're looking for kills, now they see BZM for a second, they want to make himself or more.
Soxa's in, he also sees Shad.
They know which one's the real one, they'll find Ari in the backline.
Socks at his toy with the PL1's team connects.
Chat.
He's very dead.
Let us know how that's never gonna work.
Hey Socks was just baiting him completely.
Yeah.
I'm stunned for 33.
That's gonna be the big item that he goes for.
More stacks for Chira.
That's true.
We'll allow him to live a little longer before the inevitable death
when this locks around.
I think they can kill him through it, as well.
I think you're right.
Yeah, they just know the right thing.
He's going to keep hit.
All right, here comes the push.
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I like how Martin didn't even buy a shark this game.
He could have bought a shark, and they could have actually
just pushed even harder.
But he just goes for an aggro.
So a bit of bullying from the mark.
He could end their misery a bit faster.
He just wants to jump and look funny.
I want to see if one went, can they pull together one sort of 5 on 5 here for the defence?
Zero building there, oh no I don't bring up that one.
Mark, gonna get the ult down on a 33, the Griffiths world, 33's gone.
Death for 45 seconds, no buyback, I think the pass forward onto Shad.
He's out without buyback, left eye in 1 by 1.
How did he not make it?
Gigi is caught in what was...
Not necessarily the quickest though, but Death and this one are my biggest.
Even brothel, because of how quickly they got the lead.
Cause I want a 7k gold lead by 8 minutes in.
It was very reminiscent of the Na'Vi game that we did see that Yandex completely buffed.
We just completely destroyed them in as well.
So, whoo! Well, they tried to get the last big PL, they tried to make it work on paper.
You can see, yeah, perhaps it could be a good PL game if they get to that point,
but there is no game to be had. All three lanes lost and, yeah.
Yeah, that was a rough situation there for a moment.
Not an easy game for them to play through.
Yandex! Looking great! 2-0 for them!
Yeah, maybe...
Maybe the Slark should have just banged out.
And then we would have had actually a conversation here.
Because to be fair, this game, it played out in a way where our fantastic commentary duo
basically covered everything that you can say about this game because there was not that much
to be said about this game.
No, there was nothing to be said about this game, Sheba.
I think we honestly could just show up the playoff bracket.
See you tomorrow.
It's been a great day.
like you did ask in the draft should they consider the slot and it was like well you either don't ban it and you become the team that wishes they banned it
or you call the bluff and you don't care. Guess what? They're the team that discovered.
Hey! Starts to complain the desperate fall like he did back in the day. Suddenly everything's gone you know to shit.
There's two things that really surprised me about this game. So first of all that when you lose like this it feels you don't know whether you should laugh about it or feel devastated.
Devastated I don't know what one women are doing right now, but I hope they're laughing
I hope so too because this is really tough. They also did zero building damage
I don't know if I've ever left a game or if they ever left the game where they did zero building damage
She's now a couple days ago. We saw life stealer hitting the town
See what? Yeah, that's 38 damage
What a juice what a goat
I think for one win the fear that they should found is before the PL pick everything they went for our
are staple heroes that they like to play in other drafts and other days with, like, okay, cool, they've got 33 Timbersaw, they've opened up with the Arihut, everything is really solid, but the way that Yandex has become an extremely scary team, is they look at what you have and they go, okay, who can break this the most, is it from my mid lane on Cheridunit, is it from Amar getting a last pick, or is Watson gonna pick out the clinks and then you put Amar or Swear, I think Yandex is willing and very ready to outplay you in the draft to make sure that they have the better lanes, and they are not a team that makes mistakes,
And they close out the game.
That's important.
At least it's a tasteful loss.
It's like taking it with fun, obviously with Amar, they're good buddies.
He's laughing.
He has to try, I think, to laugh.
And also like to go back to the whole Slark vs. Ember thing.
I do agree, but also deciding to ban double support in the last phase
to give Amar the most obvious last pick, Viper or Razor,
is also somewhat of a joke to me.
Sure. No, I can agree on that.
on that it's like maybe in that discussion someone's already had like this conversation of
like clearly someone was so adamant on the set the set of the flex that they had a bad
misread so whoever that person was they just maybe don't talk as much we also heard moon say
that they did talk about viper they just they just believed red they could win this lane i think
if we do like if we played this matchup we would song them too that's a problem for them
And that is a problem with our ranks here boss.
I mean I'm just saying.
I'm just after that good point.
Cause like also, so, but anyway like all the things aside, I think Yandex are, they're an insane team.
They have the fastest wins ever. Like even this game at minute seven or eight, one win no in their mind.
They know this game is cooked.
They're just staying in it so that they're not the laughing stock when the series is over.
But Yandex, you guys are freaking good.
Let's not forget though, it's not Shad's fault guys.
You heard it here on the panel before the games like it's not Shad's fault.
you have to have lanes that
win. They had nothing. So
please. It's not Chad's fault.
It was not. Let's be real. It
was ready for the current moon,
so they. Were you ready to take
that karma? Yeah, I think that
a great game, and I think maybe
Malady would have probably
preferred to play the first
game over and over again rather
than the second because he did
seem to have a lot of fun on
the witch doctor, but we're
going to find out what Malady
Yandex versus 1-1, one of the most anticipated matches of the day.
It was meant to be exciting. Game number one certainly was, but game number two, what happened?
I don't know what happened to them. I think they just crumbled.
They thought that this Earth spirit will go to the mid lane.
In this case, they picked Ember spirit and then they won Slark, which is a completely awful choice by them.
So, yeah, I think that makes the game boring, because they decided to give away the Slark.
I mean, that was a crazy outplay across every single lane, essentially.
Yeah, you feel like it was just an outdraft then? There's nothing they could do from the start of that game?
I feel like, yeah, they got outdrafted super hard, because they're laning Ember Spirit into Slark,
and they're laning Timber into Bane, Klings, and Timber on top of that lanes solo.
for some reason hudung is just, I don't know, sucking for ember mid.
That's how it goes sometimes I guess, but game number one, much closer, much more exciting,
but you could say, you're kind of the MVP for us I would say, you're popping off that game,
even pulling out the daegon, is this something you'd recommend to all which doctor players out there?
I don't know, I was just playing game yesterday, and I was playing Dazzle and about Dagon,
And I thought, damn, this item sucks.
It's a dog shit item.
Don't ever buy it.
I just thought in this game it would be funny to buy the Dagon and press Maladik into Dagon.
Well, I mean, we are sitting in the waiting room to do some work, Navi had some wins
with it.
You just had a big win with it.
Jack and the Hero was being slapped on until now.
Yeah, which doctor?
I don't know.
It's not slapped on, I feel like, because stat-wise, I would say, which doctor has, what, seven
wins and 20 losses so yeah I'm trying to make a balance for which doctor to make it at least
like I don't know 10 victories 10 victories all right I look forward to seeing that but uh
in general no other team is really able to crush teams like you guys are no one in this tournament
is getting as quick a wins as you guys are what what do you think the difference is between you
and everybody else at the moment well because everybody else suck they absolutely suck I don't
don't have anything else to say. You don't have anything else to say. Okay, fair enough.
Well, you do have a series tomorrow coming up. What are you looking forward to doing
in that one? Do you think it's going to be the same result?
Yeah, my prediction is 2-0, maybe 2-1. We're going to beat who we play, Aurora?
Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, if Aurora, maybe 2-0 even. They don't have Nightfall, which
was their biggest weapon.
I think that's a good point.
All righty. Fair enough. Both
predictions and bold words
coming up from Malady here.
Let's send it back to the
studio. You got you got a lot
of malady in these interviews.
They're amazing. Of course,
another win in the books for
which doctor making the stats
look a little bit more decent
justice for which doctor was
gotten and overall it seemed
like he was a full confidence
guys. I feel like I'm watching
like a prerecorded slacks
Weird and like funny and like the neck you never know what the next sentence is gonna be it's like gonna be serious
It's you gonna bring a smirk or say something completely outrageous. Natalie. I love you. This guy is amazing
It's just incredible. I mean just the way he carries himself as well. He doesn't even react to what he's saying
That's what both of them do so well. They can say the most like he knows shit and then it's like
Yes, they suck
Oh, that's amazing. It's like you have to do a little bit of a double take. Yeah. It's like, did I hear that right? Sorry. Yeah, we did hear that right because he's like
two oh two one maybe we're facing Aurora. We take a look at schedule. They are facing Aurora at the brackets rather and
Oh wait, there's two Aurora and then it's a two one. He's downgrading it. He was like, we're going to win two one or two one. Oh, those.
What I want to know actually who's the Q1 team because if he's saying that someone out there can take a game from them
Like he's clearly already in his mind like we're not gonna be flawless here, but it's not Aurora
That's at least what we've deduced so far. Maybe XG maybe feel like he might respect China after all
Yeah, I would imagine so I would imagine so I mean so far
Yandex is looking like the strongest team here and we thought maybe
One win would be able to do well, but based on their results in the group stages. That was a bit shaky
Now that we've seen everybody in round one of the playoffs, who do we feel is the one that comes closest to this team?
Because we knew going in that this was going to be the strongest team here.
I didn't expect it like before the tournament, but from what I've seen now, I think I would put XG in very strong contention.
I think Aurora, maybe if they had their full roster at the moment, I would put them there.
But with standing, I think towards the end of the tournament, it can be difficult.
I would go, I think XG and Aurora are identically same level,
where they might just to like they'll lose the index but in like a 2-1
situation they'll learn from that and best if I hope she's not more
competitive I just don't think LGD have it in them right now they seem more
shaky little shaky little scrappy little volatile and against the index like you
can't even have one mistake so yeah I think Aurora XG that they're the two
final like survivors that can truly maybe go up the index in my opinion well
we'll see in the bracket where they are and what our odds are for having them
I'm going up against Yandex because both of the teams, the team just mentioned, they did make it here in the first round of the upper bracket to make it to round two of the upper bracket.
But today's results, I think we already knew that Navi versus LGD, because it was going to be the closest of the day.
And it did also deliver.
Yeah, I thought honestly, I had Navi as like a slightly higher favorites against LGD.
But again, we see this with Navi every second day.
They are very volatile in terms of what happens.
happens. I'm just very afraid for all the teams that I mean already when you face the
index, it's tough. And Amar hasn't played against his X teammates yet. I feel like that's
a new level of, you know, fire under his ass that he's going to pull out in those games.
Yeah, for sure. I mean, also when you look at XG in their bracket, I've just read us
that coming here, they beat Pibbles, Conventus, LGD. They haven't, and then they'll play
LGD again. So they haven't actually had to play up against Anurora, a Yandex, maybe a
one win if they played a little bit better, drive a little bit better. Like there's like
three of the big teams that they haven't had to go again.
So I'm like, hmm, I hear skepticism a little bit.
I'm worried cause I was so hyped for them.
And then I just double checked the teams.
I'm like, calm yourself down.
I know army is kind of popping off on PL,
but I think if X used to be LGD once again,
it is scary that their biggest test
is in the top three kind of series.
Yeah.
And their first test we were seeing, I mean, I think also,
I mean, I know they faced LGD already,
but I do think LGD has learned.
step it up. They are doing a lot better than what I did when they first came in.
And I feel like that is something that extreme gaming has to also respect in
this one.
It's going to just be an absolute bias series. Like XG vs LGD, I still give the
edge to XG, but like what you just said, if you find a bit more room for
female confidence to divide, like they do have the tools to put on a show.
It's just, of course, XG.
Yeah, let's look at the first two series here, though, because we know that
Aurora Yannick is coming tomorrow at the end of the day, but the first two
series are lower bracket. Nemesis Navi, game religion, one win.
Kanzu, what's standing out to you most?
I feel like the second one, because game religion to me, obviously they're always shaky, but
I think at the same time, like one win, one in one of the games, they look so good. And
then in the second game, I feel like they should have had the fastest GG of the tournament.
So I think in that series, literally anything can happen.
So overall today, what do we feel about the level of Dota that has been played? We know
that LGD is on the up. We know Aurora. I think I want to say also on the up we've talked a lot
about Stoikov today about how he seems to have found his groove and the other teams we should
keep our eyes on that definitely have found their groove because I know for example Nemesis is also
playing with two standards. I think Nemesis are falling short a little bit of the playoffs. I think
they're very happy to get to the playoffs. I just don't think they're ready to put on a big run.
I'm just really happy to see the XGs of Aurora and LGDs like to see visible improvements because
Because we cannot sit here and lie, like Yandex is going to be the best team in this tournament, they are going to be in the grand finals, they probably currently look like they're going to like 3-0-3-1 it.
So no matter what, I want every series to see those three teams I mentioned to have progression, and if they are, I'm happy. And all three are showing progression.
I want the Navi lower bracket run. Like these boys, they're so weird and so volatile, if they can get their stuff together, I think especially in this tournament, they should be able to do it.
Like a top three, you know, through the lower bracket, I'm ready for it.
Well, their road starts tomorrow because in the lower bracket they are and the lower bracket will continue tomorrow
We'll start tomorrow rather we'll be live at 10 a.m.
Actually, we'll be live before that because we got a lot to talk about what's coming tomorrow
But that talk will not be happening now. We have tomorrow. Thank you so much for tuning in today
And we'll see you again tomorrow for more relax. Yeah season nine
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