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What is going on everybody would I pay Matt six
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Buns, Amian, Balgross, Majestic, and Salem, Hayton, Ziko, guys are so many.
What is going on?
How are we all doing?
living today, Tuesday evening, what's going on, people of all different streams, what
is happening?
Jesus, what's going on, baby?
Zahra's taking handouts from viewers?
What?
Will, please, what's good?
Guys, my brain is cooked.
Beto Fight, five month resubversive day, thank you.
Enforcin' what's good, but if I wrap?
Dude, we used to stream like extra long last night.
Jesus Christ.
10 plus hours I made food I saw some sketchy stuff at night messed up my
sleep woke up a little late went to the grocery store picked up the meat picked
up the fruits speaking which it might be apple time and then I had to get
chipotle because I was like I'm not cooking it I got double chicken at
Chipotle with a tortilla and I'm not gonna lie they made the Chipotle chicken
Extra spicy this shit is hot. It's hard to eat Bobby. That's up. Dude. I was just watching Lolo and humza go at it as well
That was crazy Lolo Lolo is putting belt to ass right now
Those guys are going at it. I don't it looks like they're just playing 51. Your ones. I don't know what's going on
Jesus
We keep watching Saturday skin. Tell me well
Zara was talking for two hours. I had a buff had a buff mages
My rolling alliance went forever is live. I don't know rare. What's good? No, they nerfed Lucian. I saw that shit
Yeah, Lucian's cooked. I don't know exactly what that means, but
Jesus Lucian mid-art next
Alec met three mother reset
He held a mage summit with Ziko and then oh
My god, should we watch the mage summit and see what the hell these people think is going on in the game
I can't even imagine
I mean, that's got to be some of the most ridiculous, just rage-bait bias, or it's got to be crazy.
Doing what's good? Make a rogue something? Yeah, maybe we got to get a something going on with Jerome.
Guys, I got a message from someone huge. Jerome himself messaged me.
He's trying to make a PDP event. We might have to figure out how to pull up on Jerome.
If anyone's ever wanted to smoke Jerome in-game, there might be a chance. We might have to actually terrorize
Jerome's entire universe on Friday. I don't know. It could be crazy.
Could be.
Guys, the one and only. I don't know. Jerome is a legend.
He said, doing it for other classes. They said, hey, it was a lock bro. When am I gonna do a summit? What type?
These guys get on so frickin' early, man. It's like, what are we supposed to do?
They said, Joe Rogan. No, Jerome.
Zara and friends want Ice Block to be a non-talent spell. I kid you not.
Guys, when you get multiple mage players together to talk about their class, do you just start hearing the most outrageous takes about the game ever?
I mean, literal insanity. Completely insane.
insane. Have you seen some of these baddies playing wow forever bro? What?
Someone was talking, Vett's trying to get hunters nerfed? Right as I start leveling
the hunter? Guys I got a cold brew from Starbucks, I feel like it didn't do
nothing for me. Jazmine's good, still these guys are crazy. Apparently mages are
unplayable how did mage become unplayable?
Dirk's the reason. Appreciate that.
We'll have to take a look.
Yo, we'll keep the mage council and maybe one more people are in here.
Like we got to see what they're talking about and see what they're saying.
Jesus.
Korean what's good?
He didn't deny mage is a broken but he said you only click two buttons and raid.
Dude, I'm seeing a ton of discourse about retail and classic forever and what's going
on here.
I just, I have no idea what's going on here.
I can't believe how much talk there is about it or just, I mean, I see a couple of tweets
And then I see they added a black market auction house to Wow.
Has anyone seen that tweet?
Apparently there's a black market auction house now in Gadgetzan or something.
And then they also put like a way to buy all of the most popular materials in the game at a price cap.
And I'm looking at the responses of it and it's actually hilarious.
There's like some people that see this as like a great thing for the game and others are saying it's ruining the economy
It's like in real life
There's people that just that like what's going on and the people that don't like what's going on and just complete opposite perspectives
On what it's actually doing to the game. I guess it's actually so troll
Go lot of what's good it
Yet, what's good it explain to the black market will probably pull the tweet up and what we'll talk about and see
Overlord add-on, I saw that too. I did see that.
Yeah, I guess I have to go ahead and close this.
Euryan, what's good?
See, it's go-to options type in contrast.
Crank the slider. Yeah, 100% contrast is terrible.
We do not like that.
We do not like that one bit, by the way. Jesus.
Boys, Whisper, please top race for lock for PDP, I don't know, if you're playing a warlock
that's a great class.
Rektrox, that's six month reason, you have a soda spell power, we reported it as a bug.
If all we got to complain about is Waffa ever changing the for blessed gamers, I'm gonna
keep complaining.
Guys, what?
We'll peep the mage, we'll see, maybe the mage has a point, or they kind of know what's
going on, they see something or something.
Yeah, I was having a ton of fun playing Monkey last night and you know my warlock finally logged off the game too
So I can actually log on dude. There was tons of people yesterday when the servers crashed. They got kicked off the game
He just couldn't play all day
Yeah, what's the people the mage podcast
Magi what's good? What's what's up with battle mage has that been is there been any advancements there?
Dude also I got a message
Which I can't, maybe I can't say anything about this, we'll see.
W Battle Mage? Battle Mage might be the counter to Hunters.
Great content, nice to have, opportunity to be in same server as EU player, love what you're doing, keep it up.
What a great message. Wow.
No, speaking of which, I saw someone said in general chat, when they were able to mute all of the Europeans, their gaming experience got much better.
Is there a way to mute regions, region-based players? Is that a thing?
Was Sabi the 926137? Or is that some meme or 7th stamina?
Collect books or palpult? What is this, an AI thing here?
Dude. Dude, it seems like there's tons of new items here. What's going on?
True stone.
What's up guys?
I'm a fan of the Europeans guys.
I'm glad we're all sharing this great game together.
Okay guys, I think this game is about to be insane
once it releases. Jesus.
Also guys,
we have a brand new Instagram coming.
We can become one of the Instagram
short form Clippers now.
We have our goat and your cat on that.
So we'll see if we can try to get some traction
in the wild streets. That'd be very good.
Skymiss looks good.
Yeah, we might need some links to the peek-a-boo clips on the gram
Seriously fall out peek-a-boo clips. Yeah, we can't
Wait, am I gonna command for it too?
There it is guys, that's the gram you guys are on instagram peek-a-boo clips. I should make that a command
I got instagram not everyone does but a lot of people do
No, I'm the instagram with the two dudes kissing was never my instagram
Um, but I, yeah, zero, yeah, it was just me.
It was, we're gonna start, guys, clipping, clipping has been the name of the game for
a minute now.
Okay.
Like you've got to be clipping this and clipping that in short form here and shorts and reels,
beef every summer.
Start popping.
So I'm talking about baby Jesus, hot profile pic on the Insta.
Uh, guys, I mean, maybe, yo, I was literally looking at my Instagram last night and I was
I was looking at pictures and I was like, bro,
I might need to start updating my grandma pics.
I was gonna ask my boy Jalen if there's any other,
if there's any pictures from the camera roll,
because I guess this is one picture of me from BlizzCon
where I'm assuming I was blasted.
Wait, let me see if I can find it here.
Dude, what's crazy is my phone is so buggy.
When I get new pictures added, it doesn't pop up instantly.
I have to like scroll hella far through it, which is dumb.
Why is that happening?
Is there no way to fix that?
It's ridiculous.
I guess I can't show you guys.
I'll have to figure it out.
You know, I have an iPhone 13.
Get a profile pic of your signing autographs.
Clip that hair.
What's spawning?
Did I get some treasure trade discounted subs
potentially here?
Are you kidding me?
Are we serious?
Let's get a rogue council going.
We might need to set up a rogue council then.
I don't know.
Start talking about what we think about the class.
I saw there was a bunch of discussion about shadow step.
If rogues need shadow step and cloak of shadows.
And I mean, they're talking druids or druids got some kind of shadow step now.
I mean, what's going on?
happening here. Gears what's good? Gear check guys I haven't really been
upgrading any of my gear. I'm kind of just low-key like leveling new characters
and new classes. I'm not really going for like a bis 20 setup hasn't yet. Get a
hundred twenty percent stealth speed yeah no stealth cooldown and we start
making shit up here. Grappling hook yeah something like that. Yeah fate damage
introduction too. Wow, TBC Warcraft Forever Bist List. How are people making all these
lists and everything? Dude, has there been any advancements about the potential dual
attorney? Is it really a million dollar prize pool and does anyone know what could be good
at level 30. I actually don't know. I was trying to think like, what some of the best classes might be at level 20. I feel like Priest is very good. Rhett Pally is very good. Mages are probably good too. Raul, what's up?
Andrew what's good?
Zarno's all the details. Yo, I feel like warlock it feels like every class can be good. Am I crazy for saying that?
I
Was watching was was on a rep rally so this guy must have put some thought into rep rally unless he's trolling and just testing it
And he's gonna play something completely different. I
Don't even know if was gonna play you I think whiz came I play the blizzcon champ. He's on priest
Elvin, what's good? Why are people saying Hunter is bad? What exactly is going on with that?
Is that just straight Hunter propaganda? Because after I logged on Hunter, I thought Hunter
is insane. I thought Hunter might be the best class in the game, level good. Like it does
Unreal damage it does more damage in any other class. I'm pretty sure
It's crazy
It's nuts because it feels like there's so much
Misinformation in the game, which is exciting right everyone has differing opinions on what's good, which means
That this shit is lively and that it's not actually there is no way to completely figure out what's going on
There's no way to tell maybe some of the boo-koo sweats might know what's going on right like Ziko and then I felt like those guys have been in pay-oh, right?
When you watch some of the the og Omega sweats like I was watching pay-oh, he's farming Mithril orange shit and doing all this crazy stuff
I
Mean I don't even know where these guys are a lot of the time in game
Wait are people fat finding more rare items in the game to farm for this is this real?
Your wife is playing. Who's that? Kid me? What's going on here?
Sweats are gonna sweat. Steffan, what's good? There's some secret tech from items. Dude, there's a ring off elites in wetlands.
Yeah, but what what are these books?
What's on the baggalls? I haven't really pissed up my rogue
I thought I would like to piss up like a hunter or something, you know
The prep that Ziko put it for OTK was yes beyond sweaty
Man, I thought it'd be fun to try to play in the dual-tree, but I did I could not sweat it out like some of these other guys
We just don't have the info. We don't the knowledge
There are random books everywhere and the attendee is sick item
Wait, where are these books? How do we get those? Rogue is bad at 20? I think Rogue is
actually one of the better classes at 20. Is Rogue not one of the best classes at level
20? I feel like it is. Sod Mage Barrage Guide tells you where to find him. Wow. There's
There's a new Archer road build?
Archer road build?
Talk to someone about that?
Is someone saying rogues are terrible?
Dude, this isn't, dude, see what I'm saying?
Look how different everyone's seeing the game.
That's insane.
My lock, I couldn't level it, so I started playing Hunter.
Hunter is insane.
Yeah, we might need to get a rogue discord call meet me summit and pale
Right, I mean because we're all actually playing rogue right all the other people re-roll to broken classes like Sabbath
So he's just a rep out and now that's crazy. Maybe we have to set that up
No Jerome. I mean this Jerome even main up anytime. I see Jerome. I'm not even sure he means
Guys, potentially massive PvP battle with Jerome this Friday.
If you're on the beta, you need to play Alliance and level up and gear up.
We might have to run down Jerome's entire squad.
Seriously, it might be big.
Oh yeah, Bob goes, well, Savage was always right, but he played Rogue in Classic for a while.
The only, okay, the one thing that maybe people could agree upon is that warriors are one of the worst classes of level 20.
Is that, is that a fair assessment? Is that something we can generally agree on? We can say, yeah, rogue is probably, or warrior is probably one of the worst classes of level 20.
20. I mean they're like you can't do anything on a warrior right it's just brutal. You can't attack
anything, you can't get on anything, you die instantly, it's useless in world pvp. At 30,
at 30 they might get a lot better because they can at least charge in but yeah even in duels,
warrior is not bad. I think warrior is a humiliation ritual but how fun is warrior in PDE right?
Warriors probably the most fun PDE class I think well yeah I think so I think I
think Warriors unreal in PDE I think Warriors is more damn as anything right
I'm pretty sure I want to try to make a warrior in level one and try that dual
wield shit I know what's gonna be insane it's gotta be you know I'm also seeing
people are playing a Melee Hunter build? So Melee Hunter, is that actually good? How does that even
work? You need to get your Bisk Enchant? 5 Agility Neck Enchant? 50 point damage absorb on chest?
Malignant Root? What is going on here? How come everyone has all the Bisk gear, man? Everyone's
I'm so sweaty.
It's a real spec now, they changed Rob 100, 15% crit.
Melee Hunter is good when you get windfury
because of wing clips, man.
Gotta be hilarious if they reset everything
when the whole 30 comes out.
No, I think you can add on to your character on the beta,
but once the beta ends, they're gonna delete everything.
Which right, they have to delete everything.
We need a fresh start, fresh cycle, fresh everything.
It's wild forever.
It's going to be the best game of the decade.
It's very possible.
It's very, very possible.
I can't believe how hard a lot of these people are sweating out for gear though.
It's crazy.
Am I making a mistake by not boo-coo sweating it out for gear and just like playing to level
up and trying to have fun on new classes?
Or are we being streamer brainwashed, and it's only the streamers that are doing this
disgusting sweat?
Maybe it's a streamer propaganda push here potentially.
Is the average player on the beta grinding out these disgusting items?
You know, I don't know.
I'm not.
I'm on my third class, or fourth class, I'm leveling, right?
That's true.
You're right.
reset once level 30 comes out. So this gear will not last that long. So I feel
like it's still got to be better to level classes and figure out what you
want to play. Right? You're right. That's true. Everyone on the beta is already a
sweat. There's like sweats on the beta. You're a sweat if you're on the beta and
then if you're getting the gear that's super bis, you're in an Omega sweat.
You're like the sweat of all sweats. And then if you're not on the beta yet, you're
you're definitely a more casual player.
That makes sense.
That makes sense.
Try exploring.
I mean, we'll see we're on a leveling grind right now.
What about people buying gold?
Who's buying gold?
Seriously, level 60 by November 11th?
No way.
I'm playing for fun, same.
Guys, who's buying gold on the beta?
It's hard for non-streamers to not fall asleep.
Streamer can talk with Chat while doing it.
No, the game is supposed to be relaxing and enjoyable and fun and a chill gaming experience.
Yeah, we might have to pull some clips and we might have to pull some of these tweets
of just the retailers classy to date.
Is everyone just rage baiting on Twitter though, I think?
Maybe they are.
I can't believe how many people are arguing about retail and classic and the difference between them.
It's unbelievable.
Is the early access on forever launch?
No, no, I don't think Blizzard is doing early access.
They're not doing early access, right? They would have talked about that or said that.
I don't like early access. I hate early access.
Not a fan of that at all.
Soda vs. Pay-O-Dool?
Let's see here.
There's early name select, and that's it, yeah.
Early access is dumb.
They do early access on retail, but on this game, no.
Early access would be super fried.
Yeah, isn't that sick, though?
They're not doing early access in this game?
They said that Mythic Plus participation didn't drop at all in Forever Beta Launched.
Who said that?
I mean, that's probably a pretty legitimate stat, because Mythic Plus is definitely an
interesting audience.
I don't know.
But I don't know.
That's probably not true.
But yeah, I mean, PDP participation on retail definitely dropped because of WALP Reverb 100%,
because I can really see the people that would be playing Arena are on here.
And there's not that many of them, so it's like, yeah.
Mythic Plus is harder to get into groups because of WoW forever, I doubt that. There's tons of people like Mythic Plus.
But I think, yeah, I see all my friends play in Mythic Plus and haven't touched retail since beta.
I think there's just tons of misinformation
going on, so, I mean, I would say WoW forever is very popular though.
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Chillus level 20.
S tier is Pallyhunter and Priest, A tier is Shamanmage and Locke, B tier is Rogue and
Druid, C tier is Warrior.
Why are people saying Rogue is bad?
This is crazy.
Soda will clap you?
I would smoke his ass.
We'll see how the payout did in the duel.
Any tips on dealing with spellcasters when puking is a rogue?
Just try to avoid them.
Yeah, just try to run away, and maybe someone else runs in, and then you gotta get in there
and get a couple hits.
Battlemage on launch?
We'll see.
Doing cheerlists for level 20 specs?
Dude, that's why there's dual turning at level 30s.
It'd be crazy.
We don't know.
We don't know what's gonna happen.
I don't know what's good at level 30.
There's no way to tell.
We have no CDs, it's bad.
Guys, here we go, we're watching Rogue vs. Mage right here, let's see.
It's Olympus member Captain Jack Sparrow.
That's a sick ass name.
This looks like GG's bro.
What does the Rogue do?
Oh, he ranged it.
Ice Lance?
Ice Lance?
Ice Lance?
Ice Lance?
Wait, Jack Sparrow?
Ice Lance? Wait, Jack Sparrow's on a run here. Ice Lance? Ice Lance? Ice Lance? Nova? Ice Lance.
So mages are actually like pretty bad, right? Like we think that class is not very good.
that they have them. Why did they give Mage Ice Lance at level 20? What are we, what are
they talking about? Is that not putting Mage in a completely different universe of how
good it is? Or am I crazy? That might be Mage Council propaganda. We need to see what the
Mage Council, the self-appointed Mage Council, what they think is going on because I mean
these guys have lost their minds. They've actually lost their minds. Too easy, they say, huh?
What the heck is going on? Coldflame Saber? Wait, someone already has the coldflame Saber?
Ben and Ziko called Mage bad and they made a several hour long video. Several
hour long video talking about mages are bad. I mean how much could they talk in
circles in that video? That has got to be crazy. That has to be insane. They were
able to talk about a topic that doesn't even exist and somehow speak about it
for hours? That is crazy. That's completely, that's actually crazy.
If it's themselves, there's a problem with nature, we got to see. That is unreal behavior.
Did they bring up some good points? We'll look. We'll look.
Do I like the double names? I mean, it is what it is. They're kind of cool. I think my names
are pretty cool how I have like two titles. A lot of you guys keep calling me cringe though.
Let's see here. All right, we have a couple clips. Let's look at some of these clips. What's going on?
Soda, Dueling, Payo.
So it's Soda using that new cheese build. Payo is super twinked out and what we could maybe say Payo is somewhat okay at Rogue. Let's see.
Let him have his Goroat.
Not gonna...
There's the Goroat into the evasion.
Okay, let's get that gnome racial out of the way.
into the back jump it missed uh-oh can I fake cast pale
all right
actually I think that's dual that's dual mother fucker grenade me so so does
spent 50 gold on this entire set up of gear to die in three seconds to payo
playing some playing an extremely weird build he's he's playing ghostly strike
which is what I'm pretty sure Payo's bill is terror so this so wait I thought
rogue was terrible what just happened was it a gear shoe good dual gamer didn't
think he had those he killed him instantly worst off worst off would have
been nice that would have given me the win but that is insane dad yeah I was
look at the gear yeah oh wait he's playing backstab build which is even
crazier shitty dagger to yes see let's see what happens around so to spam
kicking people out of the move what you saying no one's gonna spam kick out of
the kill guys yeah there's pop that he's kicking out probably crazy names and
people that are inactive, man. Okay, let's see, let's see again. What does he do? What
I was thinking is you open with Garote. Dude, they randomly buffed Garote on
Rogue, like a lot. Garote, I think, is now literally your highest damage ability. Weirdly
enough, so Garote is an insane opener. And then Garote is super good on high armor
targets because it's not not affected by armor or something. There's the Garote into
the evasion okay and let's get that you guys go see spikes and then he no
racials the roots and then sprints into the back jump at mist oh can I fake
cast pale all right
PAYO's character is pretty insane, right?
I mean, PAYO has some disgusting gear, we'd have to see a PAYO POV, but I mean, it looks
pretty rough or so to do anything.
With every cool that up, it looks like PAYO kind of just runs him down, through everything.
didn't think he had those.
It's classic WoW PDP as sweaty as retail.
Honestly, it's sweatier, I think.
I think it's actually sweatier.
Because a lot of the classic PDP,
it revolves around all these items and shit,
and these things you have to farm,
and all these professions, and buffs, and toys,
and weird shit.
It's so much there's so much other factors in classic TVP that don't exist at retail instead of it just being like
You know gameplay. There's lots of
Hours put into your character that that are very sweaty
Indulge very sweaty because there's not a ton happening in the duel, but it's just like
Just the gear you're wearing and like your profession choice and all your buffs and shit
That's where a lot of the nonsense is and there is there's a lot of RNG to in classic
So a lot of it is pretty cheesy. It's like if you find yourself trying to play, you know
Classic PvP and you're like man, this is kind of rough like it feels like I'm always dying or I'm always losing
That's completely normal. The PvP is not very
Balanced it's there's lots of like wow I won this and that felt good and others were it's like wow
I literally couldn't do a single thing and just lost and that's how the game was that's just how the game is
So don't get too upset if you find yourself dying, it happens.
I mean, look at Soda, right?
This guy begged, I don't know, 50,000 viewers every single day for like a week straight
for all the gold in the game, all the items in the game, all the buffs in the game,
all the professors in the game to lose the payout in a span of five seconds.
Right? So he did this, I mean, full begging mode day straight, I mean,
15-hour days practicing theory crafting to literally get ran down in five seconds.
So, I mean, that does happen.
Let's see, wait, what's Summit saying here?
Summit clip.
Pika's on his way.
Tell him to fucking form the circle and I'll beat his ass in front of all his friends.
Pika's on his way.
Tell him to fucking form the circle and I'll beat his ass in front of all his friends.
Guys, can anyone translate this? Can anybody speak ghost? I have no idea what he's saying.
Because I'm not going to say his screen is completely grey and he's running back already dead.
I have no idea what he's talking about. I'm not sure.
Running around ghost form in Red Ridge?
Because I'm looking at my character. I'm alive, full HP, healthy.
That is a little wild to say.
Yo, oh wait, Summon's forwarded.
Yo, maybe Summon's gonna be there.
Guys, apparently I got messaged by the one and only Jerome.
Jerome wants to set up a big PvP battle on Friday
and he's forwarded.
I mean, Summon's forwarded too.
Apparently Bobka might be there.
So, I mean, I don't know how many of you guys
are alliance on the beta,
but it might be time to show up
and smoke Jerome's whole squad.
I have no idea.
I'm not sure what's going on there, but that could be sick on Friday, so you need to level
up on Alliance, okay?
Guys, we can't look at any of these drone clips.
These are, these are, yeah, no, I don't know why, no, no, no, no, no, we're not, we're
not looking at that, that's, no, no, no, no, no, no, guys, no, Jesus, um,
Guys, is there any other clips up?
Yo, where's that clip of them?
Let's see here.
How come I can't find anything that I see?
I'm like, oh, I should like show this.
Yo, where's that black market auction house?
What's Scarlet Enclave?
What is this?
The Enclave instance portal is there as well.
That will be a very.
I mean, just looking at this guy,
I believe everything he's about to say.
And I think this guy is very fucking locked in.
Clear defining factor if they intend to use it or not.
and I actually have no idea.
The meeting stone isn't here either,
and it does appear to just be a cave right now
with the Scarlet Banner and-
Underwater?
We're now underwater.
So when we go through the cave,
we're in an underwater cave.
So very, very interesting here.
Luckily, I am a druid,
so we can just sort of swim through this.
Wait, is this an entrance to a new raid or something?
Bro, this guy's in completely unknown territory.
Where the hell even is he?
Oh, this was the last solid raid
and he found this in WoW forever?
Damn.
Okay, well maybe there's gonna be some fire.
I heard that, like I said, the retail team
as setting up a, they set up the first like raid encounter, whatever it is.
I have no idea what's going on.
What the hell is going on?
Maybe.
New war chiefs now, what is this?
OOOOOOOOH!
GOAL!
How is this guy always setting this up?
I'm gonna go all the way back to break all their ranks.
So they also are backing up and we eat them all in the front now.
Eat them all in the front.
This dude sprints in in bubble says he's gonna break the ranks and drops a
consecrate that's taking for two damage. Also I don't think Savix has reset his
damage meter once since logging into the game. It says he's done a million damage
on his damage meter. So this guy has never reset his damage meter a single time.
I don't know what that is. He's gonna break the ranks two damage consecrate.
look at that. No, he's not doing a million damage every instance. I can't
believe he sets us up and gets this low of FPS. I've never seen this low of FPS.
Hopefully, Savage doesn't show up to the big Jerome battle, otherwise, you'd have to completely smoke him.
Wait, let's see what this is.
Wait, here's a picture of the black market auction house on WoW Forever, apparently.
Have you guys seen this? They're adding a black market auction house to get some super rare items.
Death charges, people were like, this is not good,
or this is bad.
Is the black market auction house
completely fine to have in the game?
Why?
Because people were saying this encourages
gold farming and gold buying and buying.
But then like, I thought this was to like,
take money out of the game.
Right aren't you supposed to spend is this crazy people think this is a wow token foreshadow
Well, what would a wow token eat yeah, what are people doing anyways, right? It's like what the fuck
Encouraging gold farming I thought some people play wow to solely just try to farm gold and
Farm professions and just do shit like that. They don't even like to play the game
That's playing the game for them and they just sit on the auction house all day and do this and that
Like I'm out in the open world getting after that's not for some people. They love doing this
Where where is that picture of the vendor? What kids this one of the picture of the vendor that sells all the materials?
Those items go comprised of gold cap. I mean, yeah, I've never bought anything off the black market auction house
I never have money for it
Right
Guys, I couldn't imagine a WoW token being added.
I don't know about that.
That seems a little unheard of.
Black market auction.
I feel like this could be cool.
I don't know.
Unless you get some disgusting, the overpowered item from it, which I'm not even sure if that's
possible.
But even then, if you are someone who could somehow establish gold cap, that would be
crazy, right? You're getting gold from random people who are here struggling? What? Random
people. They are not random people. They are supporters of the community. They are strong
guild members. That's what they are. It could be a honey trap for gold buyers. Oh, wait,
I saw some people were saying that people that buy this would be listed as gold buyers
and be banned instantly. So this is a way to spot out those who are exploiting the system
illegally. They nerfed farming and shit as much as they could. Wait, how did wizard nerf
farming? Is it farming easier than ever with all the layers? What did they, how could they,
How did they nerf mage and pally AOE cap?
Oh, they nerfed mage AOE.
Mage sucks, you can't farm.
Wait, so you can't you can't farm anymore on mage?
Juices and that's up.
Yeah, I mean, Consecrate hits for one. I haven't really seen the AoE cap or exactly how that works.
AoE farming was disgusting, right? Didn't they have to change that? Like at some point, mage isn't shamed?
Guys, should we watch this major interview?
And I am slinging two waters, a cast.
Yeah.
We're gonna keep on casting two more.
This is the most mage shit I've ever seen.
We've got three mage maids of 25 years and they have the hunter tree pulled up.
This is the first clip I've seen in this interview.
This is unbelievable.
Like literally here.
None of these people even play this class.
I mean this is the most mage thing you could ever imagine.
This is the first clip I saw of this.
What is going on here?
This is, what are they even gonna say in this clip?
I don't even know.
Literally I am making 10 waters water and then I'm drinking two of those 10 waters to get back to full mana
Yeah, what is going on? You know, yeah, is there any quality of life in the layer?
So a lot of you know a lot of haters quote-unquote might say if you don't like mage just reroll and I
You know obviously there are years and they're trolling but that the guy with the not funny thing is I think
I think Venruki might not play a mage.
Honestly, if nothing changes for me,
what I'll do is I'll make a mage anyway for fun,
because I always play mage,
but then I'll probably just re-roll to a warrior to raid on.
Like weekly raids, I'll probably do in a warrior,
because it looks fun, or a Pali, because it looks fun.
And I think there's something really weird
about life-long mages just being like,
okay, well, the answer might just be play a different class
that looks fun, and it's like, that might be a red.
Every single one of these guys is playing mage.
What are they talking about?
I'm watching Ziko.
This dude's 15 hours live on his mage,
running around the wetlands.
I'm watching Zarr.
This guy's 15 hours in every day on mage.
The only guy not playing a mage might be even Rookie.
And he might have already made a mage.
I have no idea.
I'm not sure.
What are they even saying that mage is bad?
What are they even talking about?
To play devil's advocate, they're not complaining about class strength.
Are they, oh I haven't heard actually anything they've said, I'm not sure.
I've heard Zahra talks about how his damage rotation is not that many buttons.
Mage has been like that forever in classic though, right?
Lots of classes in classic have been one to two buttons.
Hasn't Mage been one button for all of classic?
And then even in, there's still multiple classes with just one button, like Rogue is like one
button too.
It was about the rotation that turned into class strength.
Fire below, okay here we go, they thought Arcane only has two button rotation, Fire
below 60 is useless, Frost probably isn't going to get outside of PvP, that's the TLDR.
I mean, I had a mage in my dungeon and he was out damaging me on an in-hand shaman and he was spamming arcane explosion.
They want Icewalk baseline for all three specs?
What?
I don't know, because hasn't mage always been like this? Am I crazy?
Zara was in Dead Minds earlier, outdamaging everyone by triple.
This has to be, these guys gotta be trolling, right?
What are they thinking?
I literally played Mage in Classic.
You just AoE every single pack and do more damage than everybody.
And then you never played Fire in Classic either, and then you never really played Arcane.
But maybe they're wanting to see evolution in this version of the game or something?
I don't know.
You can't AoE?
Guys, who are these people saying you can't AoE?
AoE is the highest damage in the game still.
The top damage classes are all the ones that are AoE in the dungeons.
You're maybe not hitting 20 mobs at once, but when you're attacking like 3 or 4 mobs,
yeah, you're definitely AoEing the entire time and outdamaging everybody.
Yeah, because don't don't arcane ages have why I don't know what level they get this shit, but they have arcane explosion and blizzard and
Nova and they get cone of cold. I think too, right?
Watch the first I want to watch the first 10 minutes because like I
In flame stripe and don't they get shatter combo on like all those spells
It's funny they nerfed AoE with the packs and the new dungeons, generally capped at
four mobs.
Yeah, from what I can see, the AoE cap doesn't do anything at all.
I'm not even sure how the AoE cap even works in the game, to be honest, because people
are saying there's like threat issues, which I don't think there's threat issues, they
just made it where if you're tanking, you would have to switch targets instead of just
hitting one gun. So I'm also confused on how that even works or what the AOE cap even is.
And then the thing is too, I think they try to make it where if you pull more than one pack,
your chances of wiping is like very high to intentionally slow you down.
But I don't know if that's because of AOE cap or it could be player skill here and there,
But I feel like people could still rip through the content really fast if they were playing with locked in players I
Played tank threats impossible to hold well
That's the thing threat has always been impossible to hold as a low-level tank, right?
It's it's just not possible because you can't do enough damage as a tank and every other class is doing more damage to you
So it's like how you know me or even even in classic Wow
That's how the game was if you were a tank and you have like people in your group that's spammed to a we's
They would be pulling aggro off you, constantly.
Zarya's doing deadline spamming AoE top of the meters.
AoE is still king in this game.
And the thing is, bro, I'm looking right now.
Zarya is top damage, but he's doing more damage than all seven of his group.
The biggest damage in this game is AoE, and not every class can AoE, and that's part of class.
Some people are saying because of the dungeon XP nerf, there's no incentive to do AOE packs.
Some people are afraid of becoming like retail, but the plus route clearing the boss is ASAP.
I'm sure they'll probably adjust the dungeon XP and the quest XP, right?
That's probably a given.
I don't think they're going to let people get three levels in one dungeon.
I don't think that's actually the goal.
There's a good chance they're going to adjust that, right?
There are tons of feedback about that.
But yeah, the AoE pack thing, like I think AoE packs actually will kill most groups.
Spoilers high Jollsense.
But low level tanking in Classic WoW has never really felt good.
That's why you normally wouldn't even play a tank spec if you were trying to tank.
Like warriors were kind of just tanking in classic WoW as arms, right?
You wouldn't actually be specking into prod at level 20, right?
But normally, well, you could, but it's not good, right?
And the idea is you're like just trying to do damage to full threat.
But I think tanks are going to like scale rapidly, right?
Because tanks at level 20 are pretty ass, like all of them are kind of bad.
Bears do it decently?
Yeah. So what is like a Druid tank to a good example?
What does a Druid tank do before you get swiped?
Like nothing you're sitting there. You can't hold threat on anything. It's like it's brutal. It's super
It's so so fried
But that's that's low-level classic. Wow. That's just how it is
So I'm pretty sure the best tank in the game is gonna be prop alley because prop alley they have both the shit out of prop
Hi, they big a I watched our play prop guy in person
They gave this class like six damage bones prop how he looks like sawed where it's like dude
If you are doing top damage, top mana regen, top tankiness, maximum AoE damage, maximum
defensive cool vows, Prop Palli is the hero class, for sure, it's got to be.
I don't even know what tank would remotely compare to what I saw.
Like it's crazy.
I'm going to beat people, Zeb.
Druids are so boring.
of Star Search or Star Ball,
Shadow Priest will be the king of Bee Gees.
Bro, there's not even Bee Gees out yet.
We don't even know about Bee Gees.
T-Star, what's good?
We need the road council,
we're about to make a road council.
Seriously.
Battlemage strap, what is this?
Not as a gimmick, as a very real thing.
And I'm trying to imagine as beautiful as possible, right?
Then I'm imagining myself, right?
I'm going up, I'm going to the priest, right?
I'm walking right into him.
Boom, I know by him.
He dispels it.
I swing my massive sword, right?
Boom, 32 damage, absorbed.
Then I get feared.
Into an elite crocodile in Strangleton Vale.
And then that crocodile and that priest
take turns with my asshole the way no one ever has before.
And then again, I'm waking up at the same place,
the graveyard, my screen is completely gray.
And I'm wondering why the fuck did I listen
to some dumb ass video and make a battle mage?
Then I'm imagining myself against the warlock, right?
And I'm-
Well, he's not thinking of it clearly.
The battle mage is supposed to counter like hunters, right?
Okay, he's already thinking of it incorrectly.
He's talking about mages.
He's talking about warlocks.
He's talking about priests, right?
And then what he's saying,
every other class is gonna struggle with that.
What about melee players that have to run into priests
and get feared on cooldown, and there's nothing they can do?
How about that, huh?
What is this other clip here?
He's talking about crocodiles and strangled the male.
Let's see, wait, what is this?
What are the mages saying here?
How can we spice this up to not make mages
ahead of other classes, but just to bring mages in line
with the other classes?
How can we spice this up to not make mages
ahead of other classes, but just to bring mages
in line with the other classes?
If they wanted to bring mages in line with other classes,
they'd have to nerf all their damage by about 50%.
They would either have to nerf their damage
about 50% per spell or increase the mana cost of their abilities so they can only press them half
as often. That would probably bring them in line to the other classes, especially in a PDE environment,
right? We'll have to say unbelievable. Oh man, what a thing to look. Yo, maybe these guys do
have some good points though. We have to see, they have the greatest minds of mage all here
together and if they're all unhappy with the class then maybe something is
different. I saw another thing too of people kind of complaining about
warriors, how warriors kind of haven't gotten too much and it's like I've always
thought warriors were the most insane class in classic wow ever. Like that was
by far the most fun DPS class. It was ridiculous. You would run in, do top DPS,
tank, it was crazy. So why are people complaining about warriors? Rage sucks.
There is a rage problem as arms because you can't tank as arms now I think at
higher level. Like I remember whenever you play warrior in classic it was like
you were you would run in sweeping strikes I mean you got whirlwind you got
all the AOE in the war, it was crazy.
Rage was normalized, Crit doesn't get extra rage?
Wait, is that a bug?
But, well, how does anyone know that?
That rage was normalized.
Cause I mean, technically, warriors level 20
always had rage issues.
The only way you didn't have a rage issue as a warrior
is if you're playing dual wield and tanking.
That would be it, right?
Checks our stream, hold on a second.
I have a clip here of Xar right here.
I'm looking at his damage meter here.
I don't know if I've seen this properly,
but I mean, we are looking at this damage meter, right?
This is one pack.
Xar is doing more damage than his entire group combined.
Let's just see, like he's doing 75 DPS, by the way.
Look at this.
Let's just see what it looks like actually.
Wait, they're wiping.
Yeah, I don't know what the AoE cap people were talking about is.
I mean, just look, this is Mage the whole way through.
Look at this.
There's one, two, three, four, five, six mobs.
Okay, look at the damage meter.
He's doing 100 dps.
It's all AoE.
I don't think the AoE cap even works for mages.
He's doing 120 damage.
No class in the game can do this.
Right, Hunter single target, Rogus single target,
Warrior single target, Breeze single target.
Arcane explosion is not A or E capped.
Is it only for tanks?
This is what we did in BC for mages?
I don't know, it's like, so our,
I walk through what they said, walk through what they said,
But mage is for sure the most damaged AB class of the game, right?
It has been for a long time.
These guys are complaining about PDP.
Were they talking about PDP?
I may just have Iceland's too now, which is crazy.
We'll see what they're saying.
They're saying I'm actually confused on what they're talking about unless I'm completely oblivious here
Which I could be totally oblivious
But I I don't I don't I don't see exact. I'm not sure what's going on here
What we'll see what they say does someone have a link to what they're saying
Or to where that even starts
Is it crazy or are people worrying about classes at 20?
Well, I mean, they played the demo, right, at level, like, 38.
And I mean, I'm not sure if the demo was a great representation of the game either, because
you know, a lot of the players on the demo were pretty new.
It seemed like, and they didn't have any talent set up, or any abilities on their bars or anything.
This is the video.
This is everything wrong with Mage and WoW forever.
The volume situation is insane.
Okay, let's see.
Alright, what are they saying here?
Wait, is this a mess video?
Is there not a VOD?
Is that Mike in?
Yeah, I can hear you.
What's up, man?
Perfect.
I haven't noticed.
I can barely hear you.
So the last time we did this was it like we did this like like what I need to get us some buffs
Yeah, we should go to Zara's Vaughn
Oh, here we go, we got a barrio. Let's take a look. Let's take a look. I'm not that hyped about so that's kind of my position
Probably go with something like these are good things are bad. Like this is the time to shine. Okay. Well, what's he talking about?
What?
Wait, I made a clip, our mage player is all idiots and he watched it, wait, what did I
say?
It's like the most one, that's my concern, it's like how do we add another button in
the rotation so we're not one button class?
Let's make mages a little harder to play here, they were literal one button andes.
Anyway, let's keep watching.
No, I'm talking about level 60, level 60.
What are we talking about?
What are we saying?
I'm saying the same thing right now.
That's the most disgusting thing I've seen.
Oh, this major ice lance made a death in this duel.
He literally walked down ice lance made a death.
I couldn't touch him a single time.
That's what happened.
Because major's got ice lance at level 20.
How did major's get ice lance at level 20?
No, it's different shirt, different shirt.
Has anyone even commented on that?
That's playing the game.
It's like, yeah, major's ice lance at level 20.
Oh, let's get bored. Let's see. So I was looking at talents.
I mean, I was watching a lot of Tsar, you know, before the game came out, and I've watched Tsar
through your crap of talents many times over, many times. Is he coming up with new builds now, or like,
what, what's... No time for GVD today, if we still may Reese's. Now with Henry, thanks.
Uh, SD840...
Legend. I got...
Zika now, I must be...
Bage Council begins.
I personally think Zika is gonna be re...
Technical difficulties.
I'll send it. Okay, here we go.
We need to pull up the logs.
Goodness gracious.
Okay, we can't even hear them.
Yeah, during Legion or yeah, yeah. Okay. I want to start off. Um, guys, this is Ben rookie and Ziko. They both don't need introduction at all. Okay. Um, then we might, you know, I'm a retail Andy, you know, some people might not know me.
Okay, Fenrukey, the legend of all this.
You guys know who Fenrukey and Ziko are, right?
Right, then, I mean, we all know, everyone knows.
Who?
No, don't care, who?
You guys don't know who this is.
You guys don't know?
Okay, guys, let's just say these three mages
are some of the best mages to ever play WoW
in the last 20 years, okay, all three of them.
And they've been die-hard mage players forever except Ven now plays more classes on retail
That's what's going on. That's it. That's a simple summary. I know them but not you
What?
North and that's up
Okay, all legends of mages
Seek a flag your ears the legend of all legend of mages venerate. He's actually one of the reasons. I mean to mage back in the day
And I don't know if I've actually told this story much actually I haven't told it a few times
But when I started playing mage again, I took a brief break breaking wrath and I came back in Cata
I I messaged a fan rookie for some mage tips and then rookie helped me out
So then thanks again, man
Always a dual we said dual all the time to actually I've been leveling a human hunter and it brought me back to the
And I like and then Ziko you got I mean a classic games you guys know Ziko. All right, mage legend
I want a cool introduction as well. Where's my story? Okay, I'll see Ziko
We all saw each other was going on family friendly for a second Ziko was
Like he was he was lighting enough 1v2-ing
All right before like before I was even a rank one player
I see goes way more og legendary than I like like yeah, Ziko's insane
He won tournaments, this and that, rank one.
Ziko, do you really need introduction, bro?
Good, he's gracious.
Everyone knows Ziko.
So some of the top minds of mage gameplay here.
Anyway, we're convening the smartest mage brains I know,
VanRookie and Ziko, to talk about the state of mage in forever.
Now, I want to start off with a little...
What do you guys think the state of mage is
before we can watch this?
I mean, I'm going to say this.
I'm going to say no matter what in any state of wow,
Mage is one of the best classes of all time, undisputed.
This class is just outrageous in every aspect.
It's been the best class in wow history ever
in any expansion, no matter what is going on.
It is viable in everything.
It is not just viable, it exceeds.
It sets unshasable baselines of what
is possible in this game, okay, all the time, forever, infinitely, right? It's crazy. We've
seen it with every single tournament. It's always there. We played classic. We saw what
Mages did. Mages are doing all the boosting, right? They're the ones making all the money.
They're the ones, they have the best mobility, walking around with blink. They're tanky.
They got the best CC, everything.
Most damage, most CC, the God's here class forever.
Infidely, and they portal people,
they can scam people, paying for portals,
infinite food, water, all the time, all the time.
We've seen this in every version.
So let's just see what, maybe something's changed.
Maybe something's changed, we'll see.
A little bit of disclaimer, okay?
Because a lot of people are misinterpreting this
as mage whining, and I want to assure you.
Oh, OK, yeah.
They're not complaining.
Guys, they're not complaining about the game.
They're giving a logical, non-biased take about what's
going on in the game as mage mage.
So guys, they're not complaining.
They're just giving some feedback.
They're giving some feedback, and they're giving them
respect.
That's OK.
I don't want that.
I don't want that.
Because I don't want the same thing, man.
People are like, oh, we have great three mage doers just
complaining.
No, OK.
I want to assure everyone, this is not whining.
Okay, I want to assure everyone that the conversation,
I want it to be constructive about
how can we make mages fun and interesting, not one button,
but we're not necessarily just saying
mages should be stronger.
In fact, we might even argue mages should be weaker,
but they should be more interesting, right?
So just as a disclaimer, this is what we like,
what we don't like.
That's fair.
How can we spice up maybe the rotation?
This is not necessarily just whining,
say buff my class, mages suck, okay?
So hopefully that makes sense.
Okay, yeah, it was spicy.
It's not that way.
Oh gosh.
No, joking.
I'm definitely here to complain.
Z goes here to complain, yeah.
So I mean.
No, I think for me it's like,
so I haven't even made a mage on forever.
So it's like maybe it feels weird that I'm here,
but I played a lot of mage
and the last like a few days since you invited me on,
I've basically been deep diving into the talents.
I've been listening to all
arcane, fire frost. I've been
listening to your opinions. I've
been listening to Ziko's
opinions. A lot of my friends
who are major players as well.
You know, people that are very
good at like a we grinding and
a we level I've been reaching
out to them. I've been through
your crafting builds, and I
think for me, one of the one of
the reasons I haven't made it
made so far is because I'm not
that excited about it. You
know, like a lot of other
classes. I'm like, man, there is
a lot to get excited about. And
for mage, I don't necessarily
feel that way. It's not like a
really, really strong, but I think they lost some flavor and what they gained, I'm not
that hyped about.
So that's kind of my position.
I feel very similar, like very, very similar to what you just said.
How about you, Z?
Well, I feel like, how do I say this in a non-complaining way?
We've lost maybe some inspiration about what the mage class could look like.
I mean the other class didn't get like crazy reworks, but like it just it
doesn't feel good, you know what I mean? It's like oh great we're gonna play
Iceland's mage again, we've done that, you know what I mean? We did it in sod, we
did it in wrath, we did it in cat-out, did it in mop, like we've done it so many times
It doesn't feel it doesn't feel like that fresh. You know what I mean? Okay, that's valid, right?
Ice Ice Lance mage has been the best kind of mage forever
Right shatter combo. I mean, that's kind of like the iconic mage
That's what mage is right? I mean ice lance. It's ice lance on every literally every single expansion is ice lance
Right, okay. That that makes sense, right?
They that that technically has been the most popular most powerful version of mage
That when you think of made you kind of just think of that right a frostage, right? That makes sense
So okay, all right. Yeah. Yeah, totally
I I completely understand I think like when there's places to add novelty instead of just doing the same thing
We've already done we should do that although I just to push back a little like pro
I've been trying to think like what would I do if I was in charge and it's it's hard
It's really hard to be a good class designer
And that's part of the reason I wanted to get you guys together because you guys are smarter than I am
Maybe we can come up with something that we can actually do something new with the rotation,
new with the class that actually fits classic, but it hasn't been done before.
So like maybe we start with Arcane, spend a bit of time there, and then move the fire
then frost, and we can, we can chat about Arcane PvE, PvE, and kind of go through all the talents
and stuff like that. Does that sound okay? Sure, sounds good to me. Yeah. Okay, so for Arcane,
I mean, the way I'm reading it right now, and like my big issue is Arcane Blast is added
to the game.
It's a new talent, and Missile Barrage is also added.
I think Missile Barrage is really fun.
I think it's a very fun talent, but the way Arcane Blast reads is every time you cast
an Arcane Blast, the damage of all your other spells is increased by 10, which means when
When you're at four stacks of Arcane Blast, your Arcane Blast is doing the same as if
you add one stack or zero stacks.
Your Arcane Blast doesn't actually get stronger, which means every time you're at four stacks,
you're incentivized to just missile with Barrage and Arcane Blast again.
So there's no reason to try to min-max how much mana you're spending.
There's no reason to try to get that fifth or sixth cast out, kind of like traditional
Arcane.
I'm curious how, like, Benaricky, how do you feel about this specific Arcane Blast?
is on. Ah well you're watching the Avengers meeting I'm not even sure what
did he just say so you cast arcane blast the damage when all your the spells
gets increased and the mana cost is increased. So he's saying arcane you
press arcane blast and arcane missiles is that what's going on?
He doesn't like how it's just arcane blasts and missiles.
Arcane blasts four times, missiles repeat.
I mean, it's, so, okay, okay, so mages normally are like never playing arcane, right?
Like everyone's leveling and they're kind of playing, like, what it makes you can play,
They play Frost when they're leveling or,
I swear when I look at mages and dungeons,
they just press Arcane Explosion and kill everything.
They just spam AoE.
So, I mean, if you've tried to spec,
like Arcane, it would be like a single target,
you know, this is more of a single target thing, right?
Arcane Blaster Missile only hits one guy.
So, I mean, having two buttons in the rotation is,
I mean, yeah, it's like Rogue, right?
You look at Rogue.
What was rogue rotation forever in classic WoW?
It was sinister strike and slice and dice.
And that was it.
That was the whole rogue rotation forever.
That's never changed.
It's still like that now.
It's exactly the same as that.
Yeah, it's still sinister strike, slice and dice,
and that's it.
It seems like they want you to use arcane blast
above other spells, obviously.
I mean, most of the time that's just gonna be missile barrage and like a PD situation, you're almost always going to do that.
But yeah, you're definitely missing out on a little bit of the flavor of being able to just, you know, burned through your mana at the end of the fight.
You know what I mean? The boss is 20% health and you want to dump all of that mana to get out as much damage as possible.
So you definitely lose out on that.
But I just, I don't really like arcane blast in general.
Like in PD, I think it's, it's fun, but like from a PDP standpoint,
I know we want to talk about both PDE and PVP, but...
No class has a complex rotation?
No, that's right.
Yeah, the point of this version of the game
is a simplified version of wow
that is much more laid back and casual.
So the rotations are not meant to be overly complex.
Tons of buttons, tons of filler buttons,
tons of stacking buffs.
It's like a couple buttons, maybe.
That's kind of the point of, that's how they want the game to be.
Arcane Blast just, I'm not that hype about it, to be honest, it doesn't get me excited.
I'm not sure they compare this to other classes because it's like what class has a rotation
where you're hitting a bunch of buttons, right?
Like I'm playing Hunter, I'm pressing Hunter's Mark in Arcane Shot and I guess maybe like
Pet Attack.
I'm playing Rogue, I'm hitting Sinister Strike, Slice and Dice.
I'm playing Enhanced Shaman, I'm auto-attacking and using Fire Nova, right?
Warrior at level 20 is, I'm not even sure, what are you hitting on Warrior?
Like, you're like auto-attacking on Warrior a lot of time, maybe you're hitting Sunder.
I mean, I'm playing Warrior, I'm at Warrior doesn't have much, right?
Maybe a Warrior at level 20, you get Cleave if you're tanking, but you don't have any
rage on Warrior.
Warlock has a couple buttons, right?
So I'll cast a couple of thoughts.
What else are we missing?
Like Druid?
I haven't even seen a Feral Druid or a Boonkin.
I don't even know if those exist.
And then is there any other class that we're missing here?
They are speaking at level 60.
I mean, OK, I guess they could say that.
But we're OK because we're talking about level 60.
So level 60 may be just only pressing arcane blasts and missiles.
Like Rogue would be the same rotation as 60 if you're playing combat at the most part,
right?
Arcane blasts designed?
Does, like, so what would Hunter have at level 60?
I don't know what spec you'd play.
Warriors got a lot of buttons at 60.
Rogue is the 2-1 rotation, right?
Mainly.
No one knows what's 60.
I guess we don't know what's 60.
should be like in this for mages too.
Currently.
I mean, I think it-
The rogue talents do actually suck.
I haven't listened too much about what they said,
but the rogue talent system at Endgame is terrible.
All the talents are actually awful.
Like they would have to remake all of these.
Like we've seen these just a quick aside here.
These are some of the most useless
Endgame tapstone talents ever.
Like this is like so unusable.
I don't even know what is going on.
And are rogues even complaining about this?
I don't think anyone even is.
It's kind of like, yeah, okay, it is what it is.
We're probably just gonna play combat anyways, right?
So it's just, oh yeah, you guys can't even see it.
Like this end game talent is rupture deals damage
and reduces the energy cost of hemorrhage or backstab,
which doesn't make any sense at all
because it would never stack up
if you're pressing the ability.
So you're saving like three energy or something.
This is horrendous.
And then like, yeah, I've talked about this.
Execute talent, which doesn't impact any talents
that you're pressing in sub for damage, right?
Stuff you're doing backstab and ambush
and like eviscerate or slice and dice.
And this has nothing to do with any of those buttons.
And then this one is super troll too.
It's like, it's somewhat a free ambush,
which it doesn't, it's like, you can press ambush
out of stealth, still costful energy,
some kind of a low chance too, super terrible.
And then this talent for a sass,
half the bosses or bosses like immune to poison and bleach anyways too so he's
going to work
on like actual logs and shit
and then this is like
you don't have energy as a road to use finishing moves like at all it's like
rows and auto tech class as well you can have the combat and then you just
did a strike so i don't know
we'll talk about the layer
let's just listen what they say they're saying arcane is boring
it's arcane blasts and missiles at sixty supposedly
for a PDE standpoint it's
I feel like in general, major rotation in PE is not usually that complex.
See?
The cool thing about it, the most fun thing I think about it,
because I've been PVing a lot, even with Arcane specifically, in BC,
the most fun thing about it is the mana management.
I think the mana management is by far the most fun thing because being able to
hit zero mana as the boss dies, that is the skill that's required about it.
you know, like you pop your early gem, you try to,
if you pop it a little bit too late,
then you're gonna get it back a little bit too late
and then you're gonna have some downtime
where you're gonna have to, you know, frostbolt or whatever.
So you lose that, I feel like, a little bit.
But I think missile bar is kind of fun,
but it just comes down to how much value it is to...
What does it even do?
Gives your arcane blast spell a chance
and your fireball frostbite spells a chance
the chain of duration of your arcane missiles.
Also, so your arcane blasts get fast missiles
and that's the kind of rotation that's on the coast.
It's kind of missile barge, because it looks like
just sending a missile barge anytime you get the proc
is probably going to be the best
rather than kind of spamming arcane blasts.
So yeah, I think it's okay for PDE.
For PDE.
Wait, this guy said the capstone talent on sub
doesn't disappear after using an ability.
How do you know?
I don't know maybe that's maybe that's how worse we don't actually know there'd be no way to know actually P
however I think there is a lot bigger issues with both arcade and fire and I
mean you guys know it as much as I do if you play a mage in PvP you have to have
ice-block like you're not a real class we don't have ice-block and for example if
If you want to be, let's say, a fire mage,
you kind of want to get MCS, right?
But you also want to get, like,
if you want to do Palm Pyro, for example,
but then you can't get Ice Block.
And I think it's kind of the same for all...
These guys want to have everything in Classic Forever.
They want to have MCS, Palm Pyro Blast, and Ice Block.
They want every best capstone in the game.
That's what they want.
That's their problem here.
Mages, I can't sacrifice my, see, they want everything.
That's where it is right there, that's the issue.
Now I just figured it out.
It's like, yeah, we need to be the most
well-rounded spec at all times,
when in reality of the game,
and in reality of WoW,
there's always a dominant PDT spec, right?
It's like, this is the spec that you play,
and if you're playing anything that's not this,
you are at a massive disadvantage.
And that's just inherently how the game works, right?
It's like you look at like TDC, every single mage is frost, right, generally.
You can play some cheese-ass build and try to one-shot someone, this and that.
Every single rogue is playing sub, every single warrior is playing arms, right?
I mean, there's just certain things that people are doing.
But if you want to try to get the best of everything, then, I mean,
you should have to sacrifice something, right?
I mean, Soda was in the chat and said,
it's buying from mage, he had mainline ice block.
I just I just think majors are so disgusting. Am I am I am I crazy here I
Mean soda also soda to
Also plays druid and he plays some broken form of druid where he's playing like healer druid and just running away from you
40 yards running but he kills you with dots
So this guy's playing some cheese ass class already, right? So the soda's not even playing a melee feral
OK, half the time he's playing restoration, dotting you and then rooting you and running
40 yards away.
OK, so of course he's not going to mind every mage having ice block, but anyone who has
to actually run in and kill a mage, it's like, bro, mage is the hardest shit to attack.
It's brutal.
Arcane, where it feels like you have to dump a lot of, like, talent there.
Plus, Arcane and Fire have never really been, like, you know, the best specs in the game.
Maybe in retail sometimes here and there they can be pretty good, but it's normally always frost less into frost tree to get ice block
So it just makes it like less diverse like if you got a ice block baseline
You could do like an arcane build where you got like impact or where you got like ignite or whatever, you know
You could do like a more Pompirah version that also has ice block. So yeah
Okay, yeah, I guess a lot to unpack here like so
So, from the PvP side, like, yeah, I mean, totally, like, I agree with both of you guys.
Arcane, right now, like, as a PvP build, it's just gonna suck.
Like, yeah, like, just cast Arcane Blast, and there's no, like, instant cast, there's
no barrage, so we can get into that.
But like, for the PvE rotation, I completely agree with Yusiko that right now, there's not
really any mana management, because you're just gonna cast 4 Arcane Blast into a missile,
Or maybe four Arcane Blasts into like a Fireball or Frost Firebolt, depending on how you want
to spec into a Missile, into four more Arcane Blasts.
You're never actually incentivized to utilize something like an Evoke, an Interfate, a Mana
Pot, a Mana Gem and kind of burn the mana like Arcane Blasts normally would because it doesn't
scale in itself.
So, like, I think the whole identity of Arcane is this mana-hungry spec that really wants
to min-max B-Zero mana at the end of the fight, like you said, Ziko, and Arcane Blast right
doesn't do that instead it's just very very very linear 90% of the time it's
gonna be arcane blast into missiles into more arcane blast into more missiles
which is two buttons so I was like kind of asking myself is two buttons
acceptable is it okay right and I looked at every other class in the game and in
fact there was no other spec in the game with only two buttons arcane and yeah
Yeah, yeah, really, I looked at every other spec in the game, everyone has three to five
and the only one that has two...
Well, I mean, combat, combat Rogue, right?
Sinister Slice and Dice, right?
Sinister Slice and Dice, right there, that's...
I think combat Rogue has to have one of these simplest rotations ever, right?
Like literally ever in Classic WoW.
You're literally just Slice and Dice and Sinister Striking.
Is he adding in exposed armor in a vis?
Guys, you don't press a viscerate very often.
Like you don't really do that.
Like a lot of the time you're just sinister, slice.
And like you get blade flurry and AR,
which is something, but I mean, they get cooldowns too,
right?
They get palm and is this arcane power?
So, I don't know.
I would say Rogue has definitely one of the simplest rotations.
Yeah, expose.
You don't really press expose someone else does it CPS loss, of course
If you kind of these we don't count fire blast. Yeah, you're not really press it. It's right
He miscounted the mana cost increase on talent it's seven up
Yeah, I thought yeah, I thought the arcane blast would own reading that too
It says the mana cost of arcane blasts increased by a hundred seventy five percent and it stacks four times
So that means it's four hundred
This is like a 1000% mana increase on Arcane Blast.
Isn't that the same thing?
The damage doesn't increase Arcane Blast though,
but the mana cost does.
It oobs you, but you'll dump it in missiles.
It's usually a proc.
So are they saying you wouldn't oom?
How would you not oom doing this?
This is an expensive cost spell.
You know that, son?
Is there a top that makes Arcane Blast not take mana?
Oh, really?
So I was adding a button on prop for their five minute board talent.
Prop Alley is insane.
Prop Alley is out of control good for Classic WoW, I think.
It's way, it's insane.
Like prop prop, I'm telling you, once you see prop Alley, it's like they've got,
they've got like five defensive cooldowns that are all insane.
And then they've got like five attacks and they're all AOE and they're just doing
board, it's crazy.
Prop Alley is literally a solid class.
Right, and I looked at every other class in the game.
And in fact, there is no other spec in the game
with only two buttons.
On that road, I would say anyone who's played a lot of road
would say that combat road is mainly two buttons, right?
Sinister slice of dice.
That I would say, if you've never played road,
that might not make sense.
But if you've played road in classic,
you say, yeah, that's about it.
Hunter, I'm not sure on Hunter.
I thought Hunter maybe the multi-shot or cane shot, right?
Okay, I don't know if Hunter changes much.
Vic, 11 to Atsubb.
When a Sass becomes a good spec, a Sass is also not very many buttons.
And yeah, yeah, really, I looked at every other spec in the game.
Everyone has...
Oh, yeah, so this Arcane Talon, this probably should increase the damage of Arcane Blast
when you're stacking it.
That is weird that it wouldn't.
Unless Arcane Blast already does disgusting damage or something, which could be the case,
but it definitely wouldn't feel good to cast an Arcane Blast with no stacks and have it
hit as hard as if you cast Arcane Blast and it costs 10 X to mana, right? So that makes
sense. That's pretty bad complaint, right? It's like pretty too old. I can do the same
damage with 10 mana versus having to spend 100 mana to do it. It's like, it makes sense.
It's 3 to 5 and the only one that has 2 is Arcane and Frost, in which we'll get 2 Frost
in a bit. And I actually talked to a Blizzard Dev and I said, what is the goal? What's the
goal with forever like are you trying to aim for a certain number of rotational
abilities and he said that two is unacceptable and the the goal is three
to five so like my big question has been what is the third button like we if two
is unacceptable from a dev standpoint okay so they said they want three to five
button rotations yeah I think that's exciting right I think three to five
buttons is definitely manageable for people. 100%. I think that could definitely happen.
Because those three to five button rotations too, it's probably an exaggeration on that number,
to probably be pretty efficient. You don't need to be hitting five buttons.
You could probably get by hitting one button if you wanted to. I'm seeing like in the rogue tree,
unless I'm misunderstanding how some of these talents work, which maybe, I mean,
three to five buttons could happen. That's very doable. I think every player can manage that.
I think I think it'll be completely fine, and I guess if what we're looking at is arcane blasts and missiles
There is no third button there
But yeah, I mean have they did arcane? I guess arcane have like arcane barrage
Do they just add an arcane barrage is that what they do in PVE?
What like what should be the third button? What should spice up arcane?
They get that instant barrage
That's always been the or should it just be a what's your button spec like or or should arcade boss change?
So mana becomes that like interesting thing, but like that's that's the thing that's a question
I haven't really been able to answer myself like I
Know that the mana is still there right 100% because we see the mana cost of arcane blasts is increased
Unless there's some talent that invalidates this which I don't think is true
But there is the man the minute it's still there
Right and those were all reading this wrong
I don't know, like, should it just be Baraj, but that's boring, it's like you said, Ziko,
it's already been done.
Like, do you guys have any ideas, like, what could be Arcane's third button?
It's got to be Baraj.
I mentioned, you go ahead, Ziko.
No, okay.
I was thinking Pyro, with the new hot streak, if you could get that, maybe Pyro as like
a filler.
like enough crits, you can mana dump with pyro spam or something.
So Hot Street only works with fireball, frostfireball, fireblast, and scorch.
Wait, why are they all saying you can't mana dump?
Are we missing something or did they all not read the talent?
Am I crazy?
Their arcane blast is costing 700% increased mana.
They should make it work with arcane blast?
So people, guys, three to five is not retail either.
Yeah.
What is this?
You're in the same plane, are you not?
Okay, this is central.
Yeah.
Yeah, that could, I mean, yeah, for PDE, that could be cool.
Arcane Mage in forever is gonna be like
TBC Arcane Mage rotation.
That'd be crazy if they were able to add something to it.
Or they could add Scorch as an execute.
For Arcane, you want Scorch as an execute.
Like, so for me, like thematically,
It feels weird to pull out something like a pyro in the rotation, but like, you know,
this is classic.
Maybe they need a new spell.
You can't be able to mix in that.
Some kind of a cane.
I mean, I think thematically it feels a bit weird to pull it out.
Oh my gosh.
Type spell, maybe.
I don't know if you can say something too.
I don't know if you had like a...
No, so I listened to your entire like one hour deep dive yesterday, listening off all
the specs and showing exactly what we're talking about.
In arcade lance, maybe.
Yeah, I also listened to you go through all of the things that happened in the Arcane form.
It feels like the obvious one.
That's what they do.
The Arcane Bowl.
But it's a bit too obvious, right?
Too obvious, yeah.
And it's just like with Frost.
It's like Frost doesn't excite me, it's because it's a bit, it's like Zigo said.
We've been there, we've done that.
I think something that would be really cool for Arcane, because I thought about it, is
maybe like a tempest like ability where Arcane would be the spec maybe deep in the
tree that actually has like a damage over time effect that was quite powerful but it had maybe
low uptime and I was thinking you can even add like maybe a cool talent with fire like an arcane
talent where like a fire blast crit extends the dot or like an ice lance crit extends the dot as
well so there's some synergies between the trees but it then actually has a lot of great ideas
because Ben has been playing the game forever.
And he actually can just figure out, like, you know,
this could work, this could be implemented in some way.
And he's got a much bigger picture
of how everything is kind of working together
after playing through every version of Mage.
You have something very unique to Arcane with instant damage.
Arcane's dot would be crazy.
Right now it's so cast heavy.
And obviously a barrage would fix that,
but I also think some sort of like single target dot.
and I would want it to be single target.
Because every spell is going to cast everything.
And I don't like how in retail, for example,
AoE is so unintentional.
I don't want that in classic.
OK, so adding an instant cast would help the PvE rotation,
but it would instant cast dot, single target.
But it would also help PvP a little bit.
So that would actually help both ends
that Arcane's struggling with.
I think for me, I love thematically how Arcane is that mana hungry spec.
It always has felt this way.
So I want Arcane Blast to be reverted to how Arcane Blast normally plays, where Arcane
Blast stacks on itself, so it feels really good to build this up and hit huge if you
can cast.
But if you cast too much, you go out of mana and then you're doing nothing.
I think old Arcane Blast makes way more sense than this one.
Let's update the Arcane Blast.
I had some people message me.
No, they're saying guys, on this talent, it says when you cast Arcane Blast, the damage of other spells is increased.
And the mana cost of Arcane Blast is also increased.
So you're not getting damage increase on the original spell.
It makes your other shit hit harder.
So you're casting this spell that is going to start costing more mana and it's not hitting any harder.
So it's kind of troll, right?
right? That's like if you're pressing sister strike and randomly on your fourth sister strike it
costs like 300 energy to do the same amount of damage. So it's pretty fried. Diaz,
so maybe that's a bug, but maybe they didn't think of that or something. Melee mage video said
what about something like a concher weapon where it summons your current weapon for 30 seconds and
it may lays your target with the current weapon impu and arcane blast extends the duration.
Like something like that is like completely new and like could be interesting. I don't know
Um like that death nice though or something. I would like the blood decay weapon. See? Yeah, like I don't know. I'm gonna
Yeah, so I'm trying to like gather as many ideas as we can
Or battle mage it
He did the melee mage so it makes sense. He wants to conjure weapon
Is he could do you have any ideas for like a third button or are you are you kind of in the boat that like
Let's just keep it at 2, like it's too fine for you.
I think the dot thing that Ben said sounds kind of interesting.
Maybe you can maintain it, like try to maintain it with the stacks, like with the damage increase
stacks.
That could be cool.
I'm not opposed to Arcane Barrage either.
I'm not entirely against it either.
Dude so this is all like, this full coverage is like end game rating and stuff too, right?
is not talking about just playing through the game. And we technically don't know what
any end game rating even looks like. It seemed like in this game they wanted people to like
have different gear setups and maybe even talent setups because like certain mobs might
just be resistant to shit. Like what if we get to end game and they're just like immune
to our game. This whole tree is completely invalidated. Like none of this shit even matters.
And then you just be forced into playing Fire or Frost. Maybe that's possible. Like
Like in Rogue, right? Like Rogue has, there's mods that just bleed immune and poison immune.
So you just like, can't do anything, which hopefully they don't have that.
You gotta figure out a workaround for that.
Arcane Barrage feels like it would be the, the best to have.
It really is. So like, Ziko.
It's like a whole new choice to be honest.
So Zika, you were talking about Ice Lands, like it sucks because that's like, you want new stuff.
But like, I was trying to really brainstorm, like, okay, for Arcane, let's not use Barrage
because it's, you know, we've already done that. Let's do something new.
But like every time I think it's like man arcane barrage really does make a lot of sense here, you know, it's tough. It's it's really tough
It is tough. It is tough for sure
I mean, it's either arcane barrage or like I get nether tempest maybe
Yeah, I didn't like nether tempest
That was like some amy doping some kind of uh instant in the rotation though
I would say instant I I agree with that like it would help with pvp
It would help with the rotation one of the ideas I had and I'm curious what you guys think of this is
We are playing classic while meaning like you could have you could press buttons from other trees like I
Don't know like in hand shaman might still use a lightning bolt here and there or like rogues
Even though their backstab or ambush spec might still press slice from another tree and double dip. What if fire blasts?
Oh, so fine. I never did like you won't enhance ever
Never am I hitting this though?
Fire is a spec, we're like Fire Blast.
Slice of Dice does make sense though.
You're actually only getting Slice of Dice.
There's every spec on the order as well.
It's on that eight second cooldown and it's instant
and it gives you something, like a reason to press
it is fire because you might get ignite,
you might get a crit, an entire crit chance.
What about for Arcane when you press Fire Blast?
It was like, for Arcane it was maybe a guaranteed
missile barrage, for fire it was a guaranteed
Hotstrike proc and for Frost who is it guaranteed fingers or something like that?
Yeah, could Blizzard actually do we think Blizzard would try to edit some of the talent trees before the game comes out?
Or even after the game comes out. Do we think Blizzard would like add spells and shit to the game?
I wonder if that's possible.
Maybe they would be willing to try to try to do things like that.
Oh, you're right. That did that happen with Rogue. Yeah, they nerfed Rogue. You're right.
They took the... Of course they could do that. They took away our best talent. I completely
forgot about that. They nerfed the road tree in combat and they didn't even tell anyone.
They didn't even say anything. You're right. You're right. It's very possible they changed
things that it's extremely possible. I completely forgot. Was that talent even good? Yes, it
It was so good they had to remove it from the game.
Wow, that was criminal.
They shouldn't have done that.
That's crazy.
That's very, very crazy.
OK, so it's definitely possible they
could make changes to classes that feel underwhelming or not
great.
And I know some people might be cooking these guys for complaining
about Mage, but this is good that they're bringing this up.
Imagine these guys get Mage buffed and changed,
and Mage actually becomes viable again.
So, we'll see.
We'll see.
To where in Arcane, you'd actually want to press Fire Blast
in the rotation to some degree.
So you could actually proc more Arcane spells.
And it's like, as Arcane, that would give you
like something else to think about
or something else to press.
It's like a Fire Blast
or potentially a Fire Blast equivalent.
I, guys, if you played me,
I feel like Arcane is like a Mage main thing.
I never really liked playing Arcane as Mage.
I always just, like I was not that into Mage.
So I always kind of just default the frost anyways.
So I think this is like,
if you're kind of messing with these two specs,
you probably are not like a casual mage.
You're probably like a,
you're probably a veteran who's played enough of this
to be on this side of the tree.
I wouldn't be bad because if you get bad,
Arcane Blast RNG would have a guaranteed trigger
for missiles.
It would help PVP a lot too.
You could like Fire Blast missile combo.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then a,
nobody likes the R word retail but uh whoa there's a button prismatic bolt as you know it's like
a proc you get that transforms your arcane blast into a prismatic bolt now i'm not saying they should
add that but one cool thing about this bell is it gives you a clear casting proc which gives you
missiles basically so you get a missile proc every time really reliably from that and it feels like
like it makes the spec flow nicely.
So the fireball idea, I do like that.
Like the-
The fireball idea is really cool actually.
Yeah.
Okay, okay.
Or touch, give us touch.
So designing a class is probably just a little hard.
Touch the match, I kind of like to...
Right, like these people play the game every day
for a living and trying to come up with ideas
is still something that's like,
wow, I'm not sure how this would work
or how this would go.
So we're trying to have people that just like work
the game who are not nearly as good of players as like you know maybe these
people mechanically but like they can definitely think about the game in like a
different way I couldn't imagine trying to add but I could never think of trying
to properly add buttons to a spec. Can't you mess up? Can I do that? That's actually very hard to do.
I actually haven't played with Prismatic Bolt. I think that's what it's called. It looks really cool.
Yeah it is amazing. It's really fun. My issue with it though is in a sense it's
still two buttons because Arcane Blast will automatically transform to the new
button and then it's giving you a proc to missile which is the same second button so it's still kind of like just two buttons still
Yeah, yeah, no, so you're right about that, but I don't necessarily want them to add for medical
I'm just saying that it feels nice when you use it you get that guaranteed proc
And having that same kind of option would be nice too. Okay. Okay. Yeah
No, I totally that makes a lot of sense like so one of the like I I don't know if you guys have talent trees open
But one of the paladin talents that I thought was really cool was on the holy tree
there's something called infusion of light and
Your holy shock and flash of light crits reduce the cast of your next holy light by 15 seconds
And the reason this was put into the game is to incentivize paladins to not just spam flash of light because it's your best ability
But after a holy shocking and flash of lighting enough you could do a holy light
So you have more than just one button your holy shocking flash of lighting
The only guy that looks fun,
how does that have a ton of cool shit?
They went hard on Paladin making this shit broken.
Like every speck of Paladin looks insane.
Rhett looks insane, Prott looks insane,
and Holy looks insane.
And I'm not, I don't know if they could even try
to bring this design philosophy into the other classes
because the game would get very solid like very quickly.
Cause like they, dude, I'm telling you guys,
I watched it play out.
I was like, dude, this looks literally insane.
Because they're like riding this line
where they're like becoming so,
there's just so much more you can do on a paladin
and fun little interactions that I think it's,
it could be too much.
I don't know, even there's the Holy Shock build,
Rep Build and Prop Build all look insane.
Like Dispel and Divine Favor and Freedom.
So Holy has quite a bit, but the idea is,
it gives you an actual reason to press another button
it's bad, such a challenge for fun, you know, whatever. And then it could be bad. I don't see how
but it's like, it's like hot streak. Holy shock. It's such a close spell. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Like it actually incentivizes you to press that next one. And you can do damage with it as well.
Like something like that could be really cool. Like of course we have Missile Barrage, but it's
still just two buttons. I don't know. I think for Arcane for the very least, reverting Arcane Blast
to make it feel like it's that mana hungry spec again, and then it is possible for classes to
to be too much fun, because normally when something is too much fun, it's very good.
Right, and when it's very good and too much fun, other classes start to feel a little
leapt out and a little behind, because they don't have as exciting a mechanics or a dissonat.
And it's a slippery slope, it gets crazy.
A touch of the Magi, another Tempest, a barrage, or even just like making Fire Blast give a
proc.
One of the hunter talents I actually really liked that was new is called summon hawk and
this ability is in the beast mastery tree on the right side midway down and it replaces arcane
shot or shares a cooldown with arcane shot rather and basically if you press it you can have a hawk
out and it does damage and if you press it again you can have a hawk out that does damage but you
can only have two hawks so after that you go back to arcane shotting which makes the beast mastery
rotation really interesting right because now you're you're managing arcane shots and summon hawks
Um, I think you're after that 10 get the baby. That's insane
Yeah, I don't know how hunter's gonna work hunter seems pretty insane hunter hunter is crazy right now
I hunter is just disgusting level it. I do more damage my hundred on my rogue a little 14 or something
You got that 10 gifted. You know one time about hundred that sucks. So is that lone wolf shit the lone wolf talent?
It's very bad for leveling, but I guess the end game talent because an end game your pet is not very useful as a hunter
It dies to like everything it reads like you can't really avoid it
So this is not a good leveling talent
But it's it's great for rating
Because yeah, the damage you get of lone wolf is like 20% your pet is doing so much more damage than 20%
It's something like that for mage could be interesting where you have a talent that shares cooldown with fire blast
that like maybe like an arcane barrage but it shares cool down with fire blast
you have to make this like choice of like if I have this then it kind of like
takes over my other spell I thought that was kind of cool design from the
hunter tree there's a lot of cool designs in the hunter tree
sorry what's made you to have hunter and rooves
yeah yeah
yeah we can all just play hunter instead
that's one option
I
Actually so far the idea that I like the most is the fire blast idea
Yeah, leaving in fire blasts for guaranteed procs. I think it's actually really cool. Yeah
Bad I think I think this is this is a little premature to talk about this in end game because we haven't actually seen the end game
We haven't gotten there yet
We don't actually know and then a lot of this at least what they said so far about the arcane tree and everything
This would not impact your your leveling experience whatsoever
or even like your PDP experience really, right?
Cause in dungeons you're doing mainly A.O.E spells
and in little PDP instances,
you're probably not expected to arcane
cause you're not gonna level as arcane, right?
It's just hard to level as arcane I think anyways.
Like G protection I think is nice
because it also makes a meaningful choice, right?
If you wanna double barrage
or if you wanna like stack four times
because sometimes when you spam arcane blasts
like it's kind of similar to the,
Is it maybe even the exact same one as in the season of Discovery?
It does have a little change.
You never really wanted to spam Arcane Blast.
You just wanted to Arcane Blast.
Like when you play the Healer Mage and saw you wanted to Arcane Blast.
And then as soon as you had enough stacks, you wanted to always dump it on a missile.
And sometimes you wouldn't have it.
And then it would kind of make it a bit awkward because you would have to keep
spamming Arcane Blast when you didn't want to.
So how far is the best rotation at such a level in this case?
Should we skip through the Arcane?
I mean, we've kind of seen what they said Arcane.
I think it's two buttons. Yeah, it looks like two buttons from what it is. I mean, and then want to maybe get a little bit of flavor
That's probably summary
Should we skip through the arcane can I get to the next three?
I mean these guys are talking for a while. I think I'm not I kind of like just play arms
Is it is it mandatory as a warrior to make all three specs viable and PvP?
The answer might just be no like just play arms and for mage like should all three specs be really good in PvP?
Or is it like dude just play frost like you're PvPing like I don't really know the the exact direction devs want to go
I think the the general consensus is like they should be okay, but there might be one that just kind of takes over right?
That's like yeah. Yeah, I I mean, I think that's our that's a really good question to ask
Is it ever possible where wizard could make multiple specs?
Super viable of GDP
I mean retail kind of has that on some classes, but generally that's kind of an
it's like an impossible ask like what one spec it just it's just always ahead of
the others it just is you can try to mess around with the other ones it's just
not gonna be as good overall but maybe you can kind of mess with it here and
there but yeah it's pretty hard to like like or like certain classes that can
like heal in DPS like that's like oh that's kind of a different thing right
because they're different parts of the game,
but like a DPS spec having like three viable PPP specs
is pretty rare.
It's pretty rare.
So like when I think about,
when I'm looking at the Hunter trees,
it does kind of feel like survival, for example,
deep survival doesn't feel like it will necessarily
be good in PVP.
So, and maybe people will disagree with me on that one,
but when I think about like a melee
that doesn't have a kick or a gap closer,
that that seems like it'll be really rough.
I mean, maybe there'll be situations where you can go to the warrior or something like that,
but not having the range for survival just feels like it won't be the best in PvP.
And maybe I'll be proven wrong on that one.
So I was trying to look through the trees and think about exactly what you're saying,
like, how many specs might be viable for PvP and what is just not going to be a PvP stack?
There's just no way.
Wait, they have a spell called Strider Kick.
It does damage.
Right there, that's a Strider Kick.
But I think my thing for mage is after playing a ton of mage on classic
It just feels like if you don't have ice block
And honestly a lot of times it feels like we don't have ice barrier. It feels like you're just you're super one-dimensional
You'll just die work what you can do. Yeah, like you're just dead
I guess my point being like maybe maybe that's fine in a sense like you know, we are
Yeah, you know you're playing classic after all like it isn't retail
It's not like every single spec has to be like this high performer. Maybe it's fine that we're guys these guys
These guys are sounding very logical. You guys were really not selling this property. They said, yeah, okay
If I'm gonna play different spec and then maybe
Maybe I am just gonna be a little squishier and that's how it is
Maybe I'll have like a lot of one-shot burst potential every you know five minutes and that's about it
That's all I got that's got that's kind of most classes in classic
Yeah, I think I think you guys were blown this out of proportion here these these guys these guys are pretty logical here
I think these guys know what they're talking about.
More pigeonholed into frost or frost hybrid builds for PVP.
Like maybe that's fine.
I think that when it comes down to that topic,
what I've noticed is that pure DPS classes
tend to have just one spec.
So like for Warlock,
you don't typically see like a lot of Dester Warlocks
running around, you know?
Usually like, it depends, you know,
in BGs or whatever you can kind of play.
It's the same thing with major.
You can like do some Pompire or fun stuff in BGs.
But if you're doing more 1v1s or small skirmish world PvP stuff,
then you typically want to play a Frostmage with Warrior.
You typically want to be a Arms Warrior with Hunter.
You typically want to be an LM.
Well, Hunter is a bit weird, because usually you
can't play BM as well.
But in the original classic, BM is more of a, I would say,
like leveling spec.
And then for PvP, mostly, people play MM.
So I think for purely PS classes, usually one spec is kind of fine,
like for PvP.
And for hybrids, they, I feel like usually try to make all of them better.
Sometimes they do a bad job with it, but I think their goal for
hybrids is like to have like an enhanced Shaman Bible and an Alay Shama Bible and
Boomkin, et cetera.
I just said that.
I tend to agree.
They're agreeing with everything I said.
I wasn't even a part of this conversation.
So I know exactly what's going on.
If these guys are all saying the same thing as me, then I know what the fuck's
going on.
So you guys should listen to what I'm saying.
A lot more.
I tend to agree.
With your Warlock example,
every locksmith in Siphon Life
is so linked with molten skin.
Every other spec probably won't even
hold a candle to that, and that's probably fine.
So with Mage, if we want to assume
that most mages are going to be frost or frost hybrid,
I think that's probably fine design.
The reason I ask is because
should we even have
a really deep discussion of
how do we make Arcane really good in PvP?
PvP or is it more just it probably won't be and that's okay. It's okay. Um, yeah
See yeah, I mean
Yeah, see
Sorry, I think just the bare minimum would be block baseline if they want to have fire and arcane
Viable are all in UV. I think and maybe you can do arcane frosts. Whoa
Yeah, I think the way I look at it is as a mage. You need MCS and you need
block like those are like you have to have those okay so let's let's chat about
work yeah let's chat about block baseline yeah okay no they're losing me
here but we're getting a little too mage brain here little too big block
baseline you know in step so Ziko's obviously a book who sweat PDQ right
like the most sweaty PDQ guys one of the best people that would play the game
your average player might not realize how important it is to have MCS you don't
MCS is it's basically a silence when you use your interrupt. So this is not useful
versus every single class. Like if a rogue gets blanket silence it doesn't do
anything, but for most classes this is very important. It's one of the best
spells in the game because silences like don't really exist on a wow like a
rogue can't silence anyone. I'm pretty sure it grows as a silencing classic, but
like Warlock has blanket CS with Felhunter and then Mage has blanket CS and
it's insane because it's basically an extra CC. It's like a stun on
on casters, basically.
So he's saying like, you can't play mage without this
and this, which is true.
Oh, Shadow Priest has silence, yeah.
But which is true, when you're trying to do
max competitive PDP, you need to have these.
These are like non-negotiables, for sure.
That's a big, that's a big claim here.
Like a big, a big idea.
Like, you know, Pali's got consecrate baseline
because it's part of the kit.
I don't know if any other classes got something
baseline as big, but like ice block baseline.
I mean, that would be, so a lot of players in the chat
are gonna be inside that.
Yeah, I don't know about that.
What do you think?
Blocked baseline.
Me, I don't know, that seems something,
maybe earlier in the frost tree,
make it a little bit more accessible.
See, even Venn's like, yeah, that's out of control.
Even Venn's like, no, that's too much.
Like, yeah, okay, yeah, maybe we can move it up a row
or something, but even Venn's easily like,
yeah, no, I don't know about that.
I don't know if we can get,
We just give Mage Ice Block on every single spec.
That's a little crazy.
I kind of wanted to, before we move on from Arcane,
I at least, just so it's not like a complain sesh,
wanted to talk about like some of the things
that the Arcane tree that are actually like buffs that,
you know, compared to how it was.
Oh, that's bringing some positive light.
There are a few things in Arcane tree
that are semi-interesting, like the increased range,
for example, and also your mana shield
isn't just on physical attacks, which is pretty big change.
Is it not?
I think it's, that went over my head
if it was not as well.
That's, I'm pretty sure, I tested it yesterday.
Well, I mean, at least on data at level 20.
It reads different, so unless.
What would the talent to mean?
If you have the talent, it does.
Even the nature to disagree.
Yeah, maybe I'm wrong on that then.
I'm not sure you're wrong on that, bro.
I think it's still physical, but I could totally be wrong.
The mages don't even know how their own class works.
Guys, you can ask me any questions about Rogue.
I will know every single answer to the word describing the spell.
I mean, especially talents that are updated in brand new.
I can tell you all the ins and outs.
I mean, no questions asked.
I need to look at the screen.
I would know.
So a bit of lack of class mastery here on the screen.
That is OK, though.
I was playing yesterday, and it seemed like it didn't work on spells.
But I think I could have been
I could have been a miss looking at these uncertain phrases here.
I do really like what I'm pointing to yesterday.
OK, I do really like though,
if I were to like what you're going at,
though, like there is some new stuff and, you know, like arcane geometry,
six extra yards on your arcane spells.
These these range spells are fun that give you longer distance on your attacks.
Those are fun because it makes tiny more fun.
And it's it's much more annoying for melee players.
But like Hunter has that.
That's awesome, but like that's really cool.
That's Counter Spell and that's Polymorph because, yeah, I put Warlock and they actually
got rid of range on Warlock, so you have Destructive Reach, which is really good for your spell.
Wait, what?
They nerf lock?
Offensive Spells, so it's only on damage abilities, but Warlock's actually lost range
on their fear, so they only have a 20-yard range fear, and I think Mage is going to have
36 yard range poly which what?
No way is that true?
Your cat I beat you in the dual wait
Locks wait how long was fear before?
What wait how long was fear before was it 30 or something?
30 probably
Dude, that's a big deal 20 20 yards is is is not much that so 36
So may just have a 36 yard polymorph
We need to nerf that immediately. I mean, that's that's gotta be out of control. Are we getting that talent? Is that 36 yard?
Paul are we serious? It's almost double. Yeah, we should probably nerf that 36 yard CS. Yeah
I don't know that, they lost range on Fear.
Let's pick it on Damage Fair.
That's actually pretty cool.
36 yards staff, let's get that.
It still will be very strong.
Probably still be the best duelers, but lower range on Fear is cool.
Dude, the biggest thing about that Fear range,
I think, is...
Well, I could be wrong for saying this, but
Fear is already kind of hard to land as a warlock with 20 yard range.
20 yard range, but it's very hard to refear somebody when they're feared with a 20 yard
range because when you get feared, you're like running so fast the other direction that
it's like, if you're not slow, there's a good chance you can like, they range your fear.
So that that that is actually a little annoying.
I actually don't agree with that.
I don't think locks are going to be good at all.
you.
Locks aren't going to be good at all.
Look at this back.
The Siphon Life Soling Molten Skin.
Dude, this is going to be broken.
I don't think so.
I don't know if I agree on this.
These guys have no idea what they're talking about.
I mean, all three of these guys are just so lost.
It's crazy.
What are they saying?
I mean, these guys don't know what they're saying, right?
20 yard fear, 36 yard.
we're saying warlocks are bad we don't know we don't know if manishield works
uh...
i can't like i could really say this i say i i mean i think warlocks gotta be
insane
it has to be good no way it lasted the monogatist
was just a slightly cloak basically
and now it's just uh... minus ten percent magic damage taken
i feel like the most frustrating thing for me
like uh...
he being as a small box was that they just resist everything
and now they don't, like you will just land all your spells on them and the pet I also
think won't have like basically passive cloaks, I think you can just kill the pet and I don't
know about this game.
Wait, Warlock might be terrible, unlike what Ziko's saying, if you miss what he just said,
he just said Warlocks are going to be much less tanky because they're going to have infinitely
less magic resist than they did before, so they will just die.
And the big thing with the warlock that fell under pet is immune to mages.
So now that pet is going to be, you could kill it, I mean, you can actually CC it, something.
Warlocks might not be very good.
See, but this is all mage perspective.
What about for rogues and melee?
Are warlocks going to be more disgusting than ever?
Yeah, you see, mage POV, it sounds like that's okay, we're mages.
This is going to be bad for everyone else.
I mean, I think warlocks are going to be insanely tanky.
It's, this is, from mage POV, anyone is beatable.
If from rogue POV, it's like, yeah, I don't know.
We have to really think about this.
on Siphon Life. I don't know how good that's going to be either. I think Siphon Life might
be overrated.
It's Siphon Life. It doesn't come online anywhere.
The other thing about locks is what Ben said as well. Like they lost Grimreach, so fear
is low range and me and Ben were talking about this earlier, but have you noticed this Zara
as well that before there was like a grace period when you're casting a spell on someone
and they walk out of range just at the end of the cast you still hit the spell that grace
period seems way lower or just straight up gone now.
So I think it's going to be easy to avoid fears like it was already kind of easy but
now it's like way easier.
Is that true?
So Warlock might just be terrible then.
Wow.
So, is warlock good or is it bad?
Do we – we could probably still assume mages are probably overpowered.
That's one thing I can take away from this.
But I'm just not sure.
I'm not sure.
I got the testing out on the dark lord while the test on the dark lord. We'll see
Whether I'm starting to think it's you that has no idea what's going on. I'm lost
Let's keep watching
Dude speaking of mage with with the range stuff arcane missiles currently is not going through line of sight
I don't feel you guys have noticed. Oh, yeah
I'm pretty sure it's a bug, so I think we'll fix it, but I thought that was crazy.
I was losing my mind the other day with missiles.
I saw that clearly, but it has to be a bug.
I don't know if that's a bug.
I think it is, but...
We don't know if that's a bug.
They did a cool change on Arcane Mine too, where they kind of baked it in with Spellpower.
Spellpower used to affect, I think it was on everything, like the crit damage, but now
they made it so it's only for arcane but they baked it into arcane mind so it's
do you guys read all the talents of your class because these guys are actually
like it sounds like they've read all the talics and have researched it I have
never read all the talents and I'm starting to think it might be worth
reading the talents if because that's what they're changing oh as I'm kind of
Not really sure what's going on.
Like you don't have to waste as many points or go like as deep in the jungle.
We might need, there might be things we don't know.
It's outtree, we don't know.
Okay, so we like arcane geometry.
Yeah.
Arcane mined bacon we like.
Mistle barrage I think we all really like.
It's just fun, right?
Fun.
This is just a fun proc.
I like fun procs.
So what we like are those three.
Let's give Rogue some fun procs.
Why don't we?
Why don't we give Rogue any good procs?
Any light up buttons?
Literally like all the other classes have some light up buttons.
It's not some light up buttons some fun rocks
Except robe
Repost doesn't count
Okay, repost counts repost pretty fun press right repost is very fun to press
things
Overall, I mean, I don't know if you guys feel a strong lease I do about arcane blasts, but
That's not stacking on itself
Basically means it's not arcane blasts like if I hit it once and hit it twice. It's the same damage
Like it feels what do you what do you think the reason they change that is because I go really like
Okay, so I think the reason they change this is because they didn't want arcane to be this like funnel spec where
Basically, it's like you're really incentivized to throw every inner bait into the mage
And like you just have this one kind of like, you know, like in Khorazan where major school blue portal and become this god class
well, I
I think maybe that's why. But my, my, uh,
if the problem is really like interfaith,
then I would be okay with making arcane blast read like mana,
like, like interfaith doesn't work if you have an arcane blast debuff, for example.
Like that would be fine by me. Like I don't, I don't care about interfaiths,
but I want arcane blast to feel really fun to hit like two,
okay, let's skip arcane. I'm done hearing about arcane.
Round of a subsea, the mess up, we've heard enough about arcane.
Show me the next tree.
I'm adding in something that, and I said, I like a branch of it.
You have to, you don't cast Fire Blast if I'm not mistaken.
And PvE is just not even worth the global, so you just skip it.
So you go back to Tama more.
So Tama more casting, it'll be Fire Blast, Fire Ball, Scorch, and Pyro.
Four buttons, woohoo!
So Fire Ball, Fire Blast, Scorch, and Pyro.
Okay, they're talking about fire now.
I think fire is actually like in a decent like rotational spot, but that doesn't mean
it doesn't have problems and you know that doesn't mean it's like perfectly designed.
So, Zika, how do you generally feel about fire right now?
Like the hot streak redesign, this and that?
Fire and PvE, I think the most fun I have when I play Fire and PvE is rolling Ignite.
I think when you can just roll like a really big Ignite, that's when it's the most fun.
So I think that's the main thing that I care about in PvE.
I don't even care about how many buttons you have necessarily.
I think having four buttons is nice, but I think, for me, fire is always about rolling
ignites and also how it interacts with other fire mages, because sometimes ignites rolls
off of other mages and sometimes it doesn't, so I don't know what they're going with this
time of year.
Oh, why only ignite?
I think that's when fire is the most fun.
I think they got rid of that, right?
Yeah.
You're good at this for yourself now?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's just for yourself.
I think rolling ignites is the main thing that I care about for PDE.
P.P. don't get me started. I have nothing positive to say.
Oh, fire's bad if you think.
Like, actually.
Yeah, fire's bad, right?
It's bad.
What about you, Ben?
Ah, yeah. What's Ego saying? I mean, both just to reiterate what both of you guys are
saying, it feels like fire kind of has the most depth.
Fires are YouTube shorts back. Jackson Tate talks back.
One of the most fun builds to me, one of the only interesting builds to me seems like some
some sort of frost fire hybrid, especially, you know, with the new frostfire bolt.
I remember you used to play like an elementalist spec in PvP.
You lose out on a lot of like super good talents, but I think it's just like a fun PvP build.
The elementalist build is really nice.
And I think the addition of the frostfire bolt makes that really nice as well.
So it would be nice.
But yeah, I think, I don't know how much, I guess the new Hot Streak is kind of cool.
They're gonna talk about Frost too.
You discovered, just to have clarity,
it only works on one charge, right?
Because the way the tooltip reads.
Wait, it's only one charge?
I believe it is one charge, yeah.
Yeah, so it's like, you're not gonna just stack up
Hostrick and spam Power Blast.
You have to actually just,
you have to keep building it up.
Aziko's not happy.
Okay, so my, so I think fire is objectively
Fire is objectively the most interesting rotation of the three bills in a PV scenario, right?
Here's my problem with fire. What's the issues are?
Hot streak is
In my mind, okay, essentially a dead talent till 60
Your non periodic critical strikes with fireball fire blast scorch
Grant hot streak hot streak reduce the cast time of pyroblast stacking up to three times
times. So you can only get a 75% cast time reduction on Pyro.
So if people haven't seen the new Hot Streak, you get a 25% faster Pyroblast time stacking
up to 3 times per crit with Firebolt, Fireblast, and Scorch. So it'll be 25% quicker, 50% 75.
I don't think you'd almost ever use it at one stack. Even at two stacks, it might be
kind of break. Even at three, it'll be very exciting to cast. The problem here is in classic
Wow your crit is very low. So if you're like level 30 doing a dungeon, you might have like 10% crit and let's keep in mind
Forever is not about endgame rating only. It's about the the journey the experience
So when you have a level 30 talent like hot streak and you you're very excited, right?
So we're talking things like sweeping strikes for a warrior
You know like a lot of classes kind of get that thing that comes online right at 30
rogues, what is it, blade flurry?
I guess blade flurry might be a little higher, cold.
I mean, you know, sweeping strikes is blade flurry
on a 30 second cooldown, is that crazy?
Warriors have a blade flurry on a literal 30 second cooldown,
that's what they have.
So I mean, this is where we can't really compare anything
here, this is where it's like, yeah,
like this is just classic wow.
This, what we're even talking about here,
this is just kind of straight classic wow,
Mainly where it's like, yeah, this is kind of a little weird.
This is a little clunky.
This is not super great.
I mean, like really exciting stuff.
But for fire mages, you get hot streak.
And the reality is with 10% crit chance,
on a boss, at level 30, how many hot streaks
will you get stacking up to three times
before that boss is dead?
And the answer is mathematically zero.
Like you actually won't ever get to use it.
Zero.
at level 40, at level 50, at end game,
I think it kind of works.
Once you get 20% crit, 25% crit,
like you're gonna get those rolling crits
and it's gonna kind of work.
But when you're low level,
AKA the majority of the journey for the majority of the-
What's the cast time on Pyroblast?
How long is that cast?
Is it like a normal three second cast
or is it like a literal five?
Six second cast time?
If it's six seconds, that means...
Wow, so if you, let's say on a boss, you get one, you get one hot streak proc.
Realistically, maybe you get two hot streaks.
So then you get a three-second cast.
I mean, so you get a little bit, you get a little bit.
Player base?
Essentially dead when you're grinding mobs in the world. It's dead the mob will die before you get it a
Proc when you're in a
Yeah, for the boss well like come bosses. It's a whole separate talent. So if you need come boss to activate hot streak
It's like okay. Yeah, you get like one pyro with Kim. I see your point. Yeah
Yeah, and I'll put an end game if it's anything like I mean what does subro get?
What is subro get at level 30?
Is that prep? Is that what that is?
Let's take a look.
Let's see level 30. Oh yeah, so it's prep.
Prep or hemo. Which, I mean, if we're trying to
PDE as a rogue, we know this is completely useless, right? Prep ain't doing
shit for us. Hemo ain't doing shit for us in PDE. This is great
and PDP is huge. It's unreal PDE, but in the
dungeons and then here it's like we get we get mutilate to so if you're holy shit
so if you're trying to play a sass you you are pressing sinister strike for
bro when you actually start to look at the talent trees in classic you're like
yo this is cool like there there's literally like if you were trying to
PD your level you go combat there is literally no other chance you would play
Anything else and be remotely useful, right? There's just crazy because you can't mutilate to level 30
So what are you gonna play sinister strife assassination tree all the way up? That's crazy
That's so fried
Fixed poison believe me bosses. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know how they're gonna fix that either
So I don't know but I guess I try to look at the trees the levels like I classic while it's just not really
It's just not meant for that. I think I don't know
Let's see here, you just respec it 30, late flurry 6 fire in the end, late flurry 3.
Right, it won't be till later.
I think like my big issue is even if this was instant cast, which it's not, like Pyro
is a 1.5 second cast, even if it was instant, it would still be kind of a dead talent until
your max level in a raid.
Wait, why do you say Pyro is a 1.5 second cast?
Or the answer to that is no this is a missed opportunity to make into a fun level 30 talent for the majority of players just playing for the journey
What are you?
I feel like for
leveling and
Dungeons, oh he's saying fully stacked up fully stacked up
Yeah, fully stacked. Wait, what's the stuff like that?
The only thing that would enable it maybe is wake of fire
Like wake of fire feels like it has really good synergy with hot streak when you're like just questing or doing dungeons or whatever
That feels like it would enable it quite a bit. So wake of fire is the other talent. I don't like so the reason I don't like wake of fire
Is because so it's very similar to like remorseless attacks for a rogue or if you play a priest
It's very similar to
Spirit tap yeah when you get that killing blow you get extra crit now
There's a few reasons I don't like this the first is that in a dungeon scenario right where we want to benefit hot streak
How often are you gonna be able to snipe a killing blow with fire blasts in a group of five like you can?
But you know if you've ever played a priest or a rogue, you know, it's it's kind of hard to always
Take advantage of that because you have to get the killing blow right do you have?
I would assume because the other two you do, but maybe I'm wrong
See I don't I think he's really I don't know if he's reading that right
He I think that's not not accurate spirit tap you have to get to kill the road one. You don't have to get to kill
It could be honest with you, but I know it's a
Snipe the kill I thought I thought it was just if you kill it then it works. I don't know you tested
I think you have to get the killing blow, but I don't think you have to get the killing blow with fire blast oh
Right right not with fire blast, but you need to
Okay, that makes sense. I need to know you need to deal with fire blast. You guys like
My mistake my mistake
I just I'm just saying like getting the killing blow in a group of a warrior and a hunter and a rogue and a mage or whatever
When a warrior else like execute as a mage it's just gonna be really challenging
So like in a dungeon, this might be kind of more dead, kind of like how a pre-star was Spirit Tap,
where like it's really hard to get a Spirit Tap value in a dungeon.
You have to like try to snipe it with like a Mind Blast from like a warrior.
Yeah, it's tough to snipe it. I was sniping in a lot of pre-stars.
So it's tough to get the value, although you can.
So that's why I don't like it in a dungeon. It's gonna be kind of dead.
Now you might just think, okay, for solo plays it's really good.
My problem with it with solo play is that mages are mana intensive.
of spellcasters, right?
So fire drains your mana very quickly.
So if you're a rogue and you want to take advantage
of remorseless, you have energy.
So you can easily kill one mob and get value
of remorseless on the next mob.
But with a mage, if you get a kill with wake of fire,
you need to drink.
Like before the next mob, almost every time,
you don't have energy.
It's not like you're getting spirit tapped
to give you mana backs.
You don't need to drink.
I mean, 20 seconds is a good reason.
Mages are in the spot where like I got
kill now I probably need to drink before the next one so it doesn't really flow very well so I don't I don't like
Wake of Fire for a multitude of reasons so I think they should remove it or
Completely redesign it probably just remove it and then with hot streak. I don't like it because I think it's pretty dead until
Endgame so I would like hot streak and wake of fire both changed
But the rest of fire I
Kind of like do you think so?
So you think the reason why HotStreak isn't great
is because you're not really gonna take advantage of it
until you get three stacks.
You don't see a world with like,
you'd cast a Pyro Boss with one stack or two stacks.
I don't see a world where when you're leveling,
you're gonna get like two crits on the same mob
and then still wanna cast a Pyro.
If you get like-
Yeah, you can like open with a Pyro,
but I guess it doesn't matter with the short duration.
You can take a cast on,
doesn't really matter in that situation.
So with a 10% crit chance, when you're leveling,
how many casts do you need to get two crits?
Like, are you even gonna be able to get two crits
before that falls off most of the time?
It doesn't proc off of Pyro either.
True, yeah.
Like, with a 10% crit chance-
If you open with a Pyro and you crit it,
you still don't get outstreet from that.
With a 10%-
It's crazy about street proc-tile Pyros.
That was gonna say, just like,
It seems like the only way to enable it is Wake of Fire, but we don't like Wake of Fire
because it has the problems you mentioned.
Right.
Like Wake of Fire enables it for leveling, but it has a host of other issues, so it should
probably be gone.
And since you can't enable it with Wake of Fire, I think Hot Street is essentially dead
because like I said with the chat, it's giving politicians in the chat.
But if you have a 10% crit, and the time to kill a mob is 10 seconds, or time to kill
a dungeon boss is 30 seconds, or the time to kill...
Is that ever-proc'ing?
Like what if you have a 10% crit chance and let's say the boss fight is 30 seconds long and
let's say
the cast time of our fireball is about 2 to 2.5 seconds, which
hypothetically in a
perfect world we're getting about six or seven fireballs off
Including the fire blast if we're talking 10% crit that's 60
that is 60% chance plus two instance and
And it tends to be if you throw in one Scorch and we can find that time if basically on
Every single boss fight you should be able to get one pyroblast off
That is the math
You will get one pyroblast which is all you need
That's it
What are the chances you're actually ever using this it becomes almost completely nullified
think
very low
So I think
I don't think it works currently outside of like endgame endgame endgame stuff when you get like close to 30% crit
so
How would you want wanted to be redesigned just?
Requiring two crits or I think two crits probably makes more sense
My big worry is that it becomes too strong at the endgame right like it becomes too strong in a raid
where you're just spamming out pyros left and right.
I don't mind pyro being instant
if you can get all three crits.
One of the ideas that I had is that,
and I think they introduced this to retail at some time,
but consecutive fireball non-crits.
Ooh.
Will increase.
Increase your crit chance with fireball
or increase your crit chance potentially overall.
That means if you're spamming fireball
and you don't crit, you're banking up some stored crit.
So a very mini tiny combustion baked in the fireball
so that you're at least working
towards something every non-crit.
Like maybe that's the answer.
It is actually interesting to look at classic forever
and then like reading into the talent trees.
Cause I feel like if we looked at the classic talent trees,
there would be a lot of talents
that just don't really make any sense
and they're not very good.
But I think that's kind of just the game.
So I'm not sure, even if you look at the rope talent,
you're just gonna be like, wow, this looks terrible.
I think that's just the game.
Because I feel like if you start actually trying to tweak
all these talents and try to optimize certain things,
yeah, it quickly changes, right?
I think a lot of these talents are supposed to just be,
yeah, that's not the best talent.
Because I mean, this is the longest I've actually spent
looking at someone talk about talents, and it's like, yeah,
a lot of these don't really make a lot of sense.
And if they made the talents too good,
it would look like retail, where a lot of your talents
are useful, even on retail, a lot of your talents
are not useful still.
So making a fully useful, optimized talent tree
is an impossible task.
Overall, but especially in classic,
I think it's gotta have that layer of clunkiness.
And cause all specs do have these clunky talents
that are just like not that great, I think.
you know about the someone has mentioned this in the chat I've seen this in game
but I've looked at it too much but the revelation in chat I have seen that yeah
yeah is that something I'm gonna be like so the basically chant reads permanently
enchanted melee weapon to have a chance to trigger revelation when a non periodic
spell fails to critically strike revelation grants 100% crit on your
next spell cast revelation chance to trigger is diminished as your critical
strike chance increases so I don't know how often like that kind of thing will
proc or you can actually play around but it seems like it would be good for fire
that would be very good for fire so we have a solution right here we had a
weapon in chat that'll give us 100% crit chance wait this weapon in chat is
probably insane what when a non periodic spell wait no this is a caster
Unless this could be used for an enhanced shaman, I don't know, cold blood weapon enchant?
This is the kind of thing that like, maybe could be a talent for fire, like that's awesome.
That's insane.
Like that Enchant owns.
I talked to a dev about this one and...
How many devs is Zor talking to?
I think Zor might be on the design team.
This is everything, everything.
He's got a dev for this, dev for that.
This is insane.
Yeah, as you get higher crit, he might be a step the effect in what you might be working for blizzard leveling
It wouldn't really be a game, but still like that's cool. Like I think it's really cool
so I
Somewhat someone in my chat brought this up and we talked about at the beginning right where it's like Zars connected
Is it okay that in classic WoW there's like one spec that's good for PvP and that's that's normally Frost, right?
I said is it okay that fire is not like a great leveling spec because I I think most of us
Most of us are just gonna play frost to level yeah pretty much no matter what very fair
Yeah, um, I think that's completely fair like you've got maybe just concede and say well fires the endgame spec
Arcane is gonna be you know, maybe also
level is for us like maybe that's the answer but I think there could potentially just be more on
the table here so to go back to my suggestion that I had with Arcane is to bring Fire Blast into
the rotation because right now in classic era like when your PvE is fire you don't Fire Blast
it's not worth the global so instead Wake of Fire could maybe read fire or maybe this is just
just baked in the hot streak.
Fire Blast gives you a guaranteed charge of hot streak.
Now all of a sudden you have a guaranteed way
to get at least one stack.
And Fire Blast is meaningful to press again.
And it helps the leveling experience
because you can get more hot streaks.
And it also helps PVP because maybe you can actually
use hot streak and PVP, whereas before it's a dead talent.
So, fire blasts generating one hot streak charge
is the best thing I could come up with.
I don't know how you guys feel about that.
So where would that turn?
No, like, it seems like.
Probably just building a hot streak.
Like, you know how it reads fireball, frostbill,
have a chance, it would just be fire blasts
as a guarantee.
We've heard the arcane, we've seen the fire.
Fire's not this, arcane is not this.
Do they talk about frost anywhere here?
Let's get to that frost tree.
We kind of heard what they have to say.
Fucking freaking Incent Pyrrho.
Yeah, right now you get three crabs in Karabasca.
Incent Pyrrho, obviously.
It's three of the king.
Um...
Incent Pyrrho has a plan you pray about
not so that you could actually, uh,
you know, do frostbull, ice lands, and missiles.
So like that, you know, kind of gives it a third bind a little bit.
Okay.
But if you're just frost, it's just frostbull.
Hey Pete, I started watching when they were talking about our king beach.
Since then I got it in partner, then got married,
had three kids, they're just about to start preschool. I got a divorce and lost the kids,
the house, and the animals. I've now fallen into a depression and I've started drinking heavily.
I finally chewed back in to get my mood up and they're still talking about arcane.
Guys, they're not talking about arcane, they were talking about fire. Okay, and now they're
talking about frost. Guys, this is a deep dive. Guys, this is some of the best minds in WoW history
coming together, okay?
This is like, this is like that fortnightly
wherever it comes together and it's sitting at the table
discussing hot topics, okay?
This is a mastermind class, okay?
That's what's going on when listening in
on what they think is going on.
And it seems like sometimes they know what's going on
and sometimes they don't know what's going on.
And sometimes I like what they say
and sometimes I don't like what they say.
Overall, I'm enjoying listening to what they have to say,
right?
Now let's hear what they say about Frostmage. This is the last spec.
Nice lands. The Avengers.
This feels a little too simple. And once again, you could say just don't play Frost in a raid, but assuming they want it to be like, okay, what can be done here? What could make Frost somewhat interesting? Should there be...
I have a couple ideas, but maybe Feneruki, I don't know if you had any ideas first.
Yeah, I don't really have any ideas for what they could add to Frost without it being Frost's
perfect spec.
I don't know, Frost's perfect spec.
Oh, they should have frozen ore, but Mages are already so good at AoE.
Frozen ore.
I don't think they could have strut AoE button like that.
It's a little sod-like.
I feel like it might break the spec.
Yeah, it's a little sod-like.
I don't know if it seems like they've found a nerfed Frost AoE.
I can't help but feel like for Frost in general, you're pretty much always going to be playing
Missle Barrage, like when I was messing around with the builds, in PDE and PDP, you'll probably
always just play some sort of frost arcane hybrid.
You'll always have Missle Barrage.
Is that okay?
I don't know.
It does, like, Ice Lance in general, I know it's such a powerful button.
It's really good.
It's good to own, but I think it was a really boring choice in my personal opinion.
Ice Lance is, I think Ice Lance is out of control.
I can't tell if I'm, well, actually I can't tell.
Iceland is out of control, and we are seeing the effects
of this already.
Can someone find the dual clip of me fighting the mage
where I got Iceland to death and couldn't do anything?
I mean, at level 20, it's already a disgusting spell.
Imagine this spell when this gets higher level.
Mages are going to clap people.
This is about to be outrageous.
This is going to be ridiculous.
I mean, this is this is they got they got told this back this has to be scaling crazy and
Crazy that's not that that's what the addition to frost was even though. I know it's gonna be good
Ziko
Yeah, I think it's just arcane frost
It's gonna be arcane frost right like I don't know I don't know if there's a way to get arcane blast into the rotation, but
Yeah, it's
Just frost with nacelles
I don't see what what other button could be worth pressing
So maybe we'll battle made maybe we'll battle major and weave in some auto
Put us in the melee group with the wind shield no, I don't know
See cuz so I was chatting with you at blizzcon in the Sheraton lobby and you said something that I thought was really cool
You said that frost in vanilla. Wow a lot of your damage comes from like Kona cold and
Now that you have ice lands in a Nova
You're always just gonna press ice lands because it's so good, right? So the speck gets
Gets minimized from okay, should I should I shatter with a fire blast or a Kona cold if I'm close range or a frost bowl
You know and now it's like I am just always ice-landing because this button is so good
So you kind of the specs actually just simplified from so they buffed mage so much by adding adding isolance
That they invalidated the other ways to play mage and now you're supposed to just press isolance. So they made it even
That's what it was an era and people said I don't know if you guys agree with this too, but frost in
Classic wow is almost like a mid-range spec and the sense that like against a warrior
you can dead zone them against a hunter you can dead zone them against like a lot of classes
You actually an era want to utilize kona cold because it's so powerful and
With iceland's it's not going to be that way anymore. You're just going to run away and spam rank one frostbull in iceland's right
um, I think
I think I I totally agree with what you're saying like uh, it felt like a decision before where you'd have to if you wanted to
Shatter this kona cool does a lot of damage right if you wanted to shatter you had to kind of commit
Go in and tremendous or send you had to go in and yeah, I want to take you even one step further, but
One thing I didn't realize this until talking to one of my friends yesterday who's really into a we he's obviously bummed out about the blitzer
Change, but I didn't realize that you can't actually conkite anymore. There's downtime in your cone of cold snare, which is like pretty devastating
When I was asked it was it was still a hundred percent uptime unless my math was wrong
ten point it's a ten second cool down of the ten point five second buff so you
could like barely always keep it up but I could be wrong
that's that's crunched it's six seconds it's six seconds baseline and it gets
buffed by three thirty-five two seconds yeah it's buffed by two seconds so it's
eight seconds buff uptime they might have changed that from what I played so
mages now what they're saying is cone of cold used to put a slow on you where
it would last the entire duration until their cone of cold cool down is back up
now they're saying there's a two second gap between the cone of cold slow and
then being able to slow you again does this change anything
I gotta say that just doesn't doesn't do shit I mean you still can't touch the
age they can still just ice snow for you they can still I mean it doesn't do
anything maybe for the AOE for the AOE grinders it does in the PvP realm I mean
I don't know how much that matters I don't know it feels like that's not that
big of a PvP but in the AOE grinding that is a big deal that is a big deal in
a week running that's that's a good change for that because we all know
major AOE grinding is disgusting right it's a joke major should not be able to
pull the entire zone, grief all the leveling, and make 10 million gold doing it, right?
Come on.
Let's get rid of that.
And no class should be able to do that.
Okay, that's fried.
It's completely fried.
Just get rid of it.
So when I looked it was eight seconds getting buffed by like 2.5, even in Dungeons Mages.
Well in Dungeons Mages are still doing more damage than every class in the game with Arcane
Explosion.
with Arcane Explosion as part of the AoE cap, but something's up with the Arcane Explosion
damage going on. It's very high.
Yeah, so it'll be a two-second downtime in Cone now, which is like...
That's really unacceptable, I think.
Yeah, that's like insane.
Yeah.
I think that needs reverted. Because that's kind of like how the entire mage class plays.
I don't think... yeah, that would be tough.
Are we just on different pages here?
I mean, all three are unacceptable.
I mean, they were just talking about how they don't need
to press this button anymore.
They don't need Cone of Cold.
They have Ice Lance now.
They want it all.
They want Ice Lance.
They want the slow.
It's crazy.
OK, that's fine.
Mage players versus non-mage player.
We see Mage Fighter, Mage Player.
We see the difference.
It's 33% of two seconds.
So before permafrost used to be one second per talent point.
Wow.
So you would have your consulow and then for each second
it would buff by one second.
But now the way I understand it is permafrost is like 11%
per point of the actual snare duration.
So if it's a six second duration,
it will be buffed by another two seconds from permafrost.
And for Implizzard, it's 1.5 second snare.
So with permafrost, it would get another 0.5 seconds
if you have three points in it.
But before, it would be 1.5 seconds in there,
plus three seconds.
Oh my God, wait, that's huge.
They're nerfing the Blizzard slow.
Wait, that's way different.
The Blizzard AoE slow took like a three second hit.
Okay, that's actually a big deal.
Because the Blizzard slow is what every mage used
when they're trying to kite to like do anything.
That slow is way more insane than the Kodakold.
And that's big for the AoE kiting shit.
That's crazy.
Oh yeah, that's big and hardcore as well.
Dude, that's a great change.
That's a great change.
I didn't even think of that.
Yeah, okay, in hardcore, mages were way too overpowered.
It felt like they could save,
They could single-handedly save everybody from dying,
and now they might all die in game.
That's great.
That's actually sick.
That adds a lot more danger.
I mean, they still have Nova and a bunch of stuff,
but that's still great.
That's very great.
That's exciting.
That's an exciting change.
Maybe not so great for majors in TDP,
but for hardcore, that's exciting.
There's a four and a half seconds there.
So the Implicit has been nerfed.
like the slow of implicit has been nerfed,
but also the duration, which is even worse.
Well, so they changed the draft, even more than half.
Yeah, if that stays, I think Kona Cold Slow should go.
Our mages actually not very good
with this newfound information.
Mages might not be very good.
Ah, maybe, maybe mages are not that good.
We'll have to see, maybe they'll have some ideas
on how they can somehow buff the class again here.
Let's listen eight seconds how it was maybe I think and then so you can keep up the uptime sure how it is an era that
That's crazy. If that's not the case because that's yeah, keep
That's brutal. Now some people were saying it goes up with ranks. It's not true. I'm looking at it
So it's six seconds always so well and that like little changes like that might not seem like a big deal
But that's a big deal. It fundamentally changes how they display like that would be way way bigger of a nerf than the blizzard change like
Like, by a mile.
Like, that would be, that would be like,
catastrophic for Mage, if that is the case.
Wait, maybe, maybe this code of pull is a big deal.
Maybe this is, maybe this is that extra step
that you need to kill the Mage.
That's that warrior hitting you
in that two seconds or something.
I don't know, maybe it's the 100 back here.
Maybe it's the road catching up.
We'll see.
That's what's happening right now.
Yeah, but we'll see.
And PVP for the record.
Like, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
And PVP and punching.
I mean, honestly, it's needed, though, right?
I honestly, Maze has been so out of control for 25 years.
They've needed to dial this shit back.
Okay, we've said Maze is a 2050 class in classic WoW, right?
They have had everything.
They've got to dial it back.
And this is them dialing it back.
And this is great, this is very great.
Maze, people will still play Maze.
This is good.
This is very good.
mob kiting, rank one cone of cold, kiting is kind of the whole build.
So that went over my head.
I think the build I played, it was 8 seconds, so that's insane.
Okay, so for me, if I'm going to talk about the PvE side of things first, I still feel
like Frostbolt Ice Lands, if you're deep frost, and then you can maybe go missile barrage
if you're going to add in that like a third button from arcane is very very simple right frost bolt frost bolt frost bolt
Iceland's frost bolt missiles frost bolt frost bolt frost bolt Iceland's I would love a reason to cast frost fire bolt
Can't be someone gave me an idea to like bake it in the winners chill
So like when you have five winners chill stacks, maybe you can shatter them with frost fire bolt
That I think would be awesome. So once you get enough winners show up, you're really incentivized a frost fire bolt
I think that would be cool to use the new button
I think the fire blast idea giving you a fingers of frost could also be cool
So making fire blasts worth pressing for all three specs
I
think
Farmer farms the the guy that was I was chatting about with mage stuff about me. She had an idea where
frostbite would work on mobs that are immune. So if you go in frostbite and PvE, it would
actually hurt a boss because it can't freeze the boss, it's immune. It would actually hurt
it, kind of like deep freeze and wrath. I think that would be kind of cool where you could
actually get value out of frostbite on a boss and you're fishing for these chill effects
to actually just get big spike damage on the boss every frostbite. Kind of keep it thematically
frozen as well.
Yeah, no, all right, we're coping here.
This is like when we said the mobs are immune to bleeds, right?
The subtree is like completely based upon having a bleed up.
Same with the assassin tree, where it's like the boss could just
be immune to poison, and then you're just like missing half
your class.
They're not putting any of that in.
I don't think I don't see them doing that.
They have to adjust that for a lot of classes,
where it's like, hey, yeah, I just can't hit this button.
Or I just like, for rogue, it's actually
like way more fundamental.
You like some some mobs are literally immune to poison
That is crazy. How can you play a sass with no poisons or the subtree? It's like I can't put my lead up
It's like dude it actually erases the tree does rogue have one of the worst PDE trees
Is that crazy to say?
Chase that's up. I think rogue might actually have one of the worst PDE trees in the game
And it's crazy. I don't hear any rogues saying it. And they took our best talent away. They've already nerfed the rogues talent tree.
Change your rotation though. That wouldn't do anything.
Yeah, I guess not really. I guess that's still really...
This is crazy.
There's gonna be three buttons no matter what, or even two if you're just deep frost.
I think, yeah, a reason to cast Fire Blast, a reason to cast Frostfire Bolt would also be really cool.
to be really cool.
Yeah.
I think there's any universe people play deep frost,
fire and PvE.
I think we got more obvious one is like you played deep fire
because you get so many good talents.
I think fire, fast.
Cause ice bear, it's like, what are you gonna do
with ice barrier?
Actually you will want a winner's chill mage, probably.
It's winter's chill.
No, it's only for you.
I think they changed all those effects.
So it's only for you.
Oh, you're right.
You're right.
Yeah, so I think the fire-
At least we get that benefit.
Yeah, like all, all those kind of things are just for yourself now.
Yeah.
You don't have to like bring a man to just have to say chill bot, you know.
Damn, that was my ticket before.
Oh, the frost made Jimmy the loot.
Yeah, I think the fire hybrid would just simply be better.
Like I can't see a world where.
Oh, I mean, maybe the math works out to where I'm part of the beach panel right now.
It's so funny like there's so many things like, oh, maybe we could just get like, you know, something that allows us to use frostfire bowl that would be, you know, super good. It's like a thing already exists. But we just don't want, you know what I mean? Like, there's no reason to borrow from it.
No, I mean, like, you could just do like a brain freeze problem like that. That's like, yeah, I thought about that.
That's a no brainer.
But it's like, are we going to have an Iceland and brain freeze? Like, it's a bit.
Yeah, that's a lot of work to get orb as well. Indeed, we're chillin.
Bro, it's so crazy. It's like all these guys have played detail for and there's this is constant idea of like we need to preserve the idea of classic WoW and it because it we can't we can't make it to retail like and it's like all these spells exist on retail.
Retailers like yeah, we've played the game with these these like five extra procs and five extra buttons
So you're constantly having to be like wait a second. No, this is this is too much
But we think we can't we can't have a lot of extra buttons. This is this is not good
It's it's like it's like every conversation like retail has actually addressed all these like yeah
Well, we have a we can add this or try this and it's crazy. That's kind of like the arcane barrage
Um
Thing it's like almost too obvious like brain freeze would fix frost in a lot of ways
But it's almost just too obvious like we've done that before sod had it, you know, you have this in kata
Do they talk about you know, it's like it's just been done. Okay, so we've seen frost. Okay, we they talk about
Freeze and I feel like one of the the issues that mage has is a lot of spells power is just baked into talents, right?
So you have like all these different you fire your frost you have arcane
They all have like their unique a we with arcane explosion and flame strike and we might make a panel
Maybe says so many damage buttons, but it feels like there's no reason to press a lot of those exactly
What if we made a road panel with pale having any useful input at all?
I mean does that guy know anything that's going on
Like what just I don't know
So with with other classes, it's like you might be incentivized to use all of the buttons you already have maybe mages don't need a new button we just need reasons like like winners chill giving you a reason to frostfire bolt I think could be cool like it's fire built in what if frostfire bolt thaws out winners chill and and does a ton of damage so when you get five stack winners chill
You actually do you want a sauce fire bolt to shatter it and melts all the ice away and does a ton of damage like that
I think would fix frost it gives you a third button
It's like we can't put people in the pens anymore
Pretty much yeah, you know because if you couldn't do it blizzard
And then you get it off. It's a it's a very nice change the pet changes up the pet move
You can move your pet like maneuver it around you can move it in the opposite direction and run away to like insta dismiss it
Obviously all the pet abilities like they got a lot of cool stuff
For shot summon Hawk yeah, I look at a lot of these the melee the new brand new melee build and survival
In an yeah, I'll lens bro. I can't hear the gear scaling to you don't have to stack spell power anymore for our kancho
Oh, yeah
Your pet also gains stats from your stats, I believe
So we might see drum do that soon. I'm surprised room doesn't have a clip of doing that
Like a lot of lot of cool change a lot of quality of life
I'm online on my name and I am slinging two waters a cast
I am making 10 waters that I am oom and then I am drinking two of those 10 waters to get
back to full mana.
What is going on?
Is there any quality of life in the lair?
Is that true when maids are saying you make water and you have to drink like 20% of them
to make more water?
Grouting to that sub?
I mean honestly, that's fine.
You should have to do that shit.
I mean, right, like I said, this class is so out of control,
so long.
I mean, Blizzard literally has to come up with ways
to slow down this class because they literally
speedrun the game.
It's ridiculous.
Like, this is, right, this is total nonsense.
You know, a lot of haters, quote unquote, might say,
if you don't like mage, just re-roll.
And I, you know, obviously they're haters and they're trolling.
But the not funny thing is, I think Van Rookie might not play a mage, honestly nothing changes
for me.
I'll play a mage anyway for fun because I always play a mage, but then I'll probably
just re-roll to a warrior to raid on.
Like weekly raids, I'll probably go in a warrior because it looks fun, or a Pali because it
looks fun.
And I think there's something really weird about life-long mages just being like, okay,
well, the answer might just be play a different class that looks fun.
like that might be a red flag right that might be a red flag it's like the
class should be interesting enough to feel compelling to play in a specific
use case and I think right now we're we're definitely pretty shy of that
right I'm already little ten on my hunt to killing red models I'm chilling out
Hunter I was thinking warrior a palli if mage gets nothing like it's like well
maybe warrior a Pali might be more fun you've got it you gotta try hunter dude
What is insane? Who are people saying Hunter is bad, by the way? Are those guys playing the same game?
I'm going to say another thing, too, guys. The fact that this game has been released, there has been more misinformation than ever about what classes are good and what's bad.
It seems like we're back in the golden age of when classic was released and no one has any idea what's going on
Which which is incredible, which is great that there's there is that many people that just can't figure out what's actually good
Because yeah, I'm thinking like yeah, no this has to be broken everyone's telling is terrible and this and that it's like guys
This is great. This is exciting. So you can you can kind of play whatever you want and it'll be okay
I from what I can tell every class is good. I haven't seen anything where it's like. Yeah, this is really a playable
I'm gonna play marks probably marks just seems
Dude lone wolf looks so cool baseline aim shot sniper shot marks looks fun
Yeah, yeah conch shot. Yeah huge range. You can trap in combat like oh my god. Yeah
I might have to win some hunter might be gone box man ship hunter
their council next week then.
Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
Maybe next year it's going to be the hunter council.
Did he just say next week they're
going to make a hunter council and say
what's broken with that class?
What needs to be buffed?
So these guys can just log on and act
like they know what they're talking about, about anything?
Yeah.
Is that what's going on?
You know, like, yeah, people want
to meme about you know.
Like me?
You guys think I don't know what I'm talking about?
Wow
Mages that's crazy. I think at the end of the day
They're very crazy fun in their own unique way and I think a lot of a lot of mages what we're feeling
I was are not the problem forever came out and we we actually kind of got just got nerfed and in a lot of ways like and
The rotation complexity is not quite there and you don't really have the slows. So it's like, okay. Well
Maybe I'll just play something else. You know, it's wow. That's that's brutal
Yeah, but we got we got range on arcane spell like the things I'm most hype about range on arcane spells missile barrage and
Fingers of frost. I'm not really hype about it, but it'll be good like Iceland's
Yeah, well like I mean depending on how much damage it does
But it feels like frost is just gonna be all about spamming rank one frost bolts fishing for frogs
That's basically how that it's gonna work rank one rank one and then missile barrage or Iceland's and rank one rank one
Yep, I honestly don't think it's gonna be that week to play mage
on the higher levels, because I looked at the scaling.
I don't know if you guys have seen the scaling required
like the spell power to hit as hard as you would on 60
with zero spell damage.
I did, yeah.
I did a little bit, yeah.
So for those who don't know, in Classic Forever,
they have nerfed the baseline damage of spells,
and then they have added better scaling with the spell power.
There's also more spell power so at 60 for some classes like I was looking at shaman
Looking brutal for shaman. They need like I think the median was like for chain lightning
Yeah, it was like 700 nature damage
Yeah, you hit as hard as an LH on my wood with zero spell power at 60
Obviously, this doesn't tell you like the full picture because you have lava burst
You gotta be some stuff gotta be doesn't tell you like the full picture of how hard you're gonna be hitting
But for Frost, the scaling is actually like very good, like I think it's like 75 spell power or something
median to hit the same amount at level 60 as you would with no gear. And obviously because there's way more spell power in the game
on the gear here, you're gonna be able to like hit go way beyond that. So we got to look at a list here.
What are they talking about?
What are they talking about?
Reddit here?
We have a Reddit post.
Wait, hold on a second here.
Okay.
How much spell power each spell needs to match WoW Classic Damage in WoW Forever?
Okay, so what does this say?
So this is how much spell powers needed to hit WoW Classic base damage.
What does this even mean?
Okay, so let's see how they explain this chart.
What does this mean here?
We might need to see the post.
What's he saying?
What the fuck is going on?
This terrible fucking picture.
Since base damage of each spell is reduced, he made a chart comparing damaging spells
across Mage, Warlock, Shadow Freese, Balancer, and Ellie Shulman to see how much spell power
is needed to reach their base damage in Classic WoW.
Here's how to interpret the graph.
Each bar shows how much plus spell power in WoW forever a spell needs to match its WoW
class of damage at zero spell power at level 60. Okay, TLDR short bar equals good, long
bar equals bad. So this is saying that shaman, okay can someone explain what we're looking
that here. So, from what it looks like, Shaman requires the most amount of gear in the game,
700 plus bonus damage on their gear to do the same damage they did in original Classic.
Is that what they're saying? Is that what this is? Minnau, so why is the, so this mean
number here. This is how much damage they did at 60 with no spell power. Is that what this is saying?
The dotted line means nothing.
That's the average of these, oh that's the average of the bars. Okay so this dotted line doesn't mean
shit. Oh okay so the whole bar is saying for a shaman to hit as hard as they did at level 60
with Urshok in old classic. They need 600 spell power to do that in WoW forever.
So Shamans theoretically, well we don't know how much spell power is in Endgame, but it looks like
it looks like Shamans aren't going to do any damage at all. Like this is crazy,
unless 700 spell power is easy to get, which maybe it is, I don't know. But what this list is saying
is mages are going to be out of control.
If a mage has 700 spell power,
they're gonna hit 20 times harder.
Oh my God.
And the biggest thing is this list doesn't show Ice Lance.
Wow.
Ice Lance is so broken of a spell,
He couldn't even put it on the shark.
So Ice Lance might literally one-shot you.
Yeah, it might literally one-shot you.
We don't know.
It could actually complete.
It might even delete your character.
It's so strong.
We have no idea.
That is ridiculous.
And then Shadow Priest, they need 70 spell power
to do as much damage as they did at 60?
Bro, people have like 70 spell power at level 20.
What?
They might have more than 70 spell power, level 20.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Is this even accurate?
I mean, this might be out of control.
So this is all, everyone's freaking out.
Everyone's stressing out when there's no need
to be worried or stressing out, because their class might
be insane.
They might be ridiculous.
Tell John to do something. We don't know if this is even accurate or not.
Let's see what they're saying. I think
Mange is probably going to be a good class scaling wise that it's hard, but yeah, I don't know how
excited I am about playing Proc Simulator basically. Like you're just trying to sheep someone and then
send a Frostbolt and then spamming around one bolt to get, you know, Miss on the Rage and
figure the Frost and play around the Ice Lens, even if it's hard, even if it's strong, I don't know.
I guess that kind of backs up the conversation is like I don't think any of us are concerned that mages are gonna suck
Like I think they're gonna be fine. Yeah, like like I think we all agree there like they're gonna be fine
This isn't about that. It's about how do we make them fun?
Because right now it's yeah, it's gonna be very so that's their argument guys
That's what they're talking about you guys have have misconstrued their words the entire time
They know mages absolutely broken. They know it's the most overpowered class in the game of the last 25 years
They know it's unbelievable, they know it's ridiculous, they know how outrageous it is,
but their issue is that it's can they make it more fun to play?
Right, that's what it is, that's what's happening. And I don't know, it seems like they might have
some good points. I think they're probably about to wrap it up.
I don't want to be a doomer, but I'm pretty concerned. I'm pretty concerned that it's
we're going to be playing a one button kind of mage deal here where
doesn't sound very fun. I agree, Ziko. It's like spamming a fishing for
proc, sending the proc, fishing for proc, spending the proc. It's all right, you know.
So I agree. With all the new Zars developer friends, what if we see a
complete remake of the mage tree? Is that possible? We see a new remake the second
the game drops. Brand new tree. Maybe there is some change as possible. Kazunia, they're
that 5-githing. One month before launch guys, we've seen it before, they changed the rogue
talent. They removed the combat talent because it felt too retail like I'm assuming, and
they replaced it with some garbage. They killed combat rogue for no reason and gave us this.
You guys saw the talent before, I posted your take as a short, Closer we'll see it, okay,
perfect.
Perfect, perfect, perfect.
Yeah, so I mean it's, I guess we'll have to see.
Are they about done?
It also kind of feels like that will be the only viable PvP spec as well.
So it's like, if you don't like that, it's kind of tough to pick up something else.
Yeah.
But if you are PvP-er.
If you are PvP-er.
Maybe you could stop on Pyro.
I think Payle will enjoy that.
True.
All right, well, was there anything else you guys were thinking major overall specific
specs, PB, like anything, anything at all?
I mean, I think I, I, one thing I haven't, one thing I haven't looked at, like, is there
something that I'm missing here with like, I know, um, uh, like I said, I played a lot
of class, I haven't played a lot of the, the newer stuff with season of discovery.
So you guys will know this better than me.
So I'm genuinely asking and maybe some of the people in the chat are wondering as well.
Is there anything with like this new mage profession that might add power we don't know about, or something interesting we don't know about?
Is that a chance?
To me, what it seems like is their very, very flavor. Like, it's, they're really fun, exciting flavor items.
Okay, should we call it on the mage meta? I think we're good.
Help some of these crime guys. What are we talking about here, man?
What? What? What's happening?
Wait summits what?
Three hours, right? I think we're done. We're done. We're done
There's a PvP worth 30 feet north of you. Let's see guys. That was a great video right czar
Ziko and then that was a great video. Okay. That was not nearly like you guys were making it out to be people were just freaking out
That was a great video
That was great. That was three hours of watching that that was insanity
that was that was my brain is rotten I cannot lie I might need to stand up for
a second and take a breather that was crazy that was unbelievable what the
hell is going on we need to take a break we got to take a break
Bro, I'm ignoring you
You see this I log in the game I got this bozo spam inviting you
Wow
Guys low-key some of it if someone wants to take my bill
You should use use this build guys. I think this is the best bill on
Rogue I could be wrong
Right. I could be wrong. I'm probably not wrong though
But I think this is the way to go you gotta play repost play repost this shit cranks. How could it not be good?
We mean that's hardly a bill. It's this against melee. This is your only option
This is it repost is too good
Right that's what you got to do
Okay, let me get some water what's up
guys what are people saying what about level 30 where are you gonna go with
this build that's a great question I'm gonna go I might go somewhere down to
I don't know, we'll see when we get there.
Can I stress test other bills for some data?
Guys, I have tested the bills for data.
I've seen the bills.
I mean, I can give some logic and consensus and theorem,
gain theory, strategy theory, synergization theory.
I can give lots of different deep theories here if we want,
here if we want, but I just, I'm kind of, I'm kind of here on repost. Wait, Wiz says,
what spec do I go on Hunter? This class is completely broken. Wait, is Hunter OP? Soap
was in your talking shit. Wait, why are people saying Rogue is bad at 20? Soap says, hey,
so one of my chats, a really big fan of you, and he only follows you on Twitch, and he
said he would only follow me if you gave him permission. So can you say yes, whatever I'm
I'm not leaving.
Duel some people.
I'm hearing a lot of people are saying that Rogue is actually a bad class at level 20.
Is this true?
Possible.
Wait, Ziko wants to duel?
Should I smoke this cloud?
Okay, what's, okay, let's say stand up.
We're doing a shaman. What do we want to do?
What's the best case scenario?
Let's go for a sap.
Kill the totems.
And let's go for a reself now.
Reself.
growth it missed okay why don't I have a sweet time we're on
okay hold on there I might be able to break out potentially here down Spanish
it's DR let's go for the bleed you're because I've gone crazy I'm going to
go after him now we have no choice we have to win here full damage full send
go back and out now
what are you doing that right do you see that that's what we need to do we
need to run in and kill him I won cuz of your kings is this the most busted
class ever he's saying are we serious that's what we gotta do guys that's
that's what it is okay you need to get in there as a rogue honestly as a rogue
you need to run in and attack them and just run just run them down and if
hopefully they get scared and stop trying to kill you and you just run them
over best case wait I got a Polly Challenger right here putting on whizzy
oil okay he's got perception up careful
he sees me
Got him.
Got him.
Do it.
Do it.
Do it again.
That's got it.
Not sure. Try and kill him a little bit.
I've got to cut out. We've got to eat some food. We've got to reset here, guys. This is looking...
He's drinking in a duel? Are we serious? I don't like that one bit. I don't like that one bit.
Drinking in a duel? That's a little weird. That is a little weird. Okay, well, I guess I guess I'm
Somebody get in there, try to go for a Goroad or something, let's see.
He's never going to expect us to open her.
Goroad.
Killing him.
Rubika.
Rupture.
Get out of Conchrake.
Throwing out him.
I have Boku Bleeds on him.
I'm throwing out him.
He cannot heal this, it's too much damage for him.
Just throwing out him.
Goku bleeds on him.
I'm throwing him.
He cannot heal this.
It's too much damage for him.
Just throwing at him.
He's healing again.
He's almost done.
He's almost done.
We've got him here.
How is he running so far?
Jesus Christ, I'm odd, I'm odd.
I have to evade here.
I don't evade here, it's on cooldown.
He's blood, he's blood, he's blood.
I'm cooking him, he's completely tapped.
He's got zero mana.
Spacey him.
Just a master to your hiding here.
A master to your hiding window.
Why am I missing these throws? How is he regaining mana so fast by the way?
He's on him, he's on him, he's on him. We can go for a couple trades here.
Whoa, careful guys, careful!
Vanishing, vanishing, vanishing.
We still sapped him full, sapped him full. Eating in his face, eating in his face, have to.
Whoa! A victim!
What?!
No, how broken is Pali?
How broken is Pali though, right?
Oh, he's full best, look at this.
He's beyond full this. This is crazy.
He's got full enchance and everything. This is outrageous.
Strengths... Are we serious?
Wow.
Miracat from Pigebon News. Are we serious?
Okay, so we got...
Look at this guy, he's got rough copper bombs, are we serious?
I'm walking up, big rope, don't drop your bombs on us, kick his fear.
Oh, here cap, he's...
Ahhhh!
Hot!
Kick that!
Hot kick that
Killed his pet
Oh, Locke's have 20 yard fear, he can't fear me.
His pet's dead, his pet's dead.
There's nothing he can do.
Kicked him.
I'm walking him down, right in his face.
How can warlocks fight back?
They can't fight back.
They can't do anything, man.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Rickette might be kings.
Ha ha ha ha.
Hey, that was a close duel.
I thought it was over and stop playing. Are you kidding me?
Oh my god, this clan needs that again.
Give me one more, guys. Ziko wants to go again right now.
Alright, new strat versus Ziko, bruh.
New strat.
We're gonna sap this guy right here.
I'm gonna instantly open with a groan.
Go crazy here.
I'm not gonna kill Seri Totem. I'm just gonna run down the whole time.
Kicked him.
Pulling energy and pacing cast again.
Stone Floor?
Kicked him again.
Up from now on Stone Floor?
He's trying to run.
Kicked him.
He just can't come back, right?
How does he ever come back in his 40s too low?
He just missed his fire Nova.
He just got to walk him down guys.
Swayce of what's good.
Yeah, dropped a tremor.
That was a aura.
Malignant.
Yo, what is some of this gear?
How does it even have so much HP?
Oh, this guy's full base too.
Wait, he has Aerudite's Amulet?
This guy has a sweat!
What do you mean I'm a casual larpher?
The roots from an easy quest in Wetlands to kill with one mob?
I see you don't use Slice Nice, is it intentional not worth it?
I mean sometimes if I'm feeling Slice Nice I'll press it and sometimes not.
Is the gear out of control for a classic experience?
No, I don't think so.
I think people figured out in classic WoW how to get all of the blues in the best gear.
They figured out it all comes from dungeons, so everyone was spam-dungeoning anyways.
This is just what the game is now, right?
People have just figured out how to get gear and what you're supposed to do,
what professions are, what stats you need, right, where to go.
So it's like that that that part of the game is never going away when I have a druid challenger benzo dirko
Benzo dirko
Here any's are out of control. I'm in a 1600 health in bear form
The game is a little too easy no
No, I think the game difficulty is perfect
the game I see a lot of discussion about the difficulty of this versus retail and
everything and I think I think the game is is perfect 30 seconds on Pika what
does that mean I'm going big rope big rope
pretty numerous this can we get a rough strap or no is there a chance to get
I'm hitting deep backside here. Maximum auto is landing. Repose got it. Repose again. Dodge
Ouch, rupture, sprinting in him, sprinting in, he's going nowhere, kick him.
How close, how close, Jesus, so close.
isn't saying you know it's a little time people are used to being 20 to 20 um
guys I think the gameplay difficulty of classic the game is not meant to be
extremely tough and difficult right it inherently classic wow was never a hard
game what you can make the game a lot harder for yourself if you want to you
can you can not have all the new gear and play without any gear like everyone
back in the day and the wrong talents and maybe not train your spells and you know playing with
people who've never played before right you can do that but a lot of the people playing the game
they've played this many times many times over right like there's gonna be new players like a lot
of what makes WoW difficult is is your teammates and you might be the teammate that's making the
the game difficult. But at the end of the day, the gameplay is not the most complex,
it's not the most technical. It doesn't require lots of APM or lots of knowledge, but that
is what makes the game hard. The casual WoW player is not on beta. Most of these people
on the beta have played this many times over. Are there any of you on beta that have, I
Like, I don't know how many times I've played WoW Classic.
It's been a lot. I've almost played WoW my whole life.
So you gotta think, like most people that are playing the game,
this version of the game is not meant to be a ridiculously difficult, brutal experience.
If you want it to be, just don't use any of the new gear.
Try to play with all brand new players, and I promise, the game will be very difficult.
Very difficult. It will be as hard as it was back in 2004.
But if you're playing with a bunch of sweats then yeah the game will not be as difficult.
Yeah.
Ba-da-da-da-nail.
Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-da-da-nail.
We got Benzo again.
We're going druid again.
Oh, by the way, I'm going crazy now.
I'm going Scythe nice here.
He says I'm dead?
Wait, am I?
Wait, am I? Re-post?
Okay, group rope.
It's very close.
It's very close.
Re-post again?
Nooooooooo!
Slice nice has to be bad man, there's no way...
Axel to match up?
That was a close duel.
We have a priest?
Okay, okay, let's see what we got, you guys think I need a priest?
Guys we might need to make a hunter, I think hunter might be the class to play, I don't
know, hunter just seems kind of it.
I'm going in, full fear, no outs.
Wait, I'm literally dying here.
Mind flay?
Walk him down, walk him down, walk him down, big damage.
That's an evade, broke the shield.
They're oom, they're complete oom.
They're zeroed out a minute.
It's over, it's over.
Wait, what?
Wait, that thing ooms you.
What is that?
Jesus.
Don't you mind if I tell you?
Yeah, I think people are getting the idea of wow classic kind of confused.
This game is about just enjoying yourself and having fun.
It's not meant to be a super sweaty, kind of brutal experience.
If you want to play that version of wow, it's just going retail.
That's not the point of this game and why it was designed this way and what it is storm that's up
Plus especially because you can you can adjust the difficulty yourself, right Toby
And a 20 gifted baby some W's right now for Toby, that's crazy
Jesus wait who just told me
I'm oiled up. Wait, Warrior wants to duel?
Toby, you were insane for 20 gifted subs.
Holy.
Alright, how do we beat a Warrior in a duel?
What's our best strategy here?
What's happened?
We've got the sap. Let's try to hit a growth to the side, maybe?
I thought crippling, I thought crippling, we're lit.
Drawing at him?
He's trying to go toe to toe with these drawing weapons.
I've got a massive HP lead though.
What's he gonna do?
He's in a tough spot.
He's trying to run, got a reself, saffin full, go to the side, Jerika ruptured it, he's
crippled, throwing at him, he throws the ball, he hits, self throwing at him, he's
He's dead.
He's 19 HP.
Downish him.
One point rupture.
Yo.
Is Warrior...
I'm gonna give some real feedback right now.
Warrior the worst class in the game of level 20 in PvP
I've got to say yes
Yes, it is
Guys warriors cannot charge a cup at level 20
They literally they can't do it
Oh man
whoa whoa this guy no racial whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa this guy's retail too
Jesus he's going crazy on us
he's crippled with rupture on him he's taking a lot of damage I don't know what
can he do
Gousham? Rupture him?
Oh my god man. It's guys, it's so tough to be a warrior. Run it back again? Again
versus the warrior? Wait my thorn weapon is breaking. I'm doing too much to thorn
weapon man whoa whoa he's got a whoa he sees me whoa
You got him?
You close?
Retail?
You're a frog man.
Let's go on, let's go for the kill.
Let's kill him.
Smoke him.
What?
Is Warrior one of the most broken classes in the game?
Did you see that?
I literally have him disarmed and he's killing me?
Are we serious?
Yo, I might make a warrior immediately.
Wait, yo, this is a- oh, it's Hunter!
Potentially the most broken class in the game right here, we don't know.
22 spider so hunters are actually bugabusing using pets higher level than themselves
If you guys didn't know that's possible
ridiculous
It could be some kind of frozen trap on the ground is still quite
There just right there we see that frozen trap on the ground. It's gone. It's gone. It's gone
It's not gone it's right there
What
What do you just spray tonight now?
I can't not him.
I have to go for a kill.
Three posts.
He's disarmed.
What can he do?
No Rachel the Root.
Add two.
God!
Jesus, man.
Okay.
Is Hunter not that good?
What?
This guy's full base too.
Look at all this gear.
Maybe Hunter's not good.
What's going on? How does everyone have so much gear?
Maddie, okay.
Wait, the Druid wants to do it again. Guys, okay, we need a new game plan. How do we beat the Druid? Oh, this is a Paladin.
All right, let's go for a new strat here.
Bro, you're not gonna be able to stop me.
Are you kidding me?
I'm running it down.
I'm lodged.
I'm just gonna keep running it down.
That's it.
I'm going for the kill.
Where's he?
He's lagging all over my screen, man.
Guys, I'm in trouble.
What are you gonna eat?
We got to eat here.
He sees me.
Bro, what's he gonna tell me?
He bops offensively.
I resisted.
Guys, I don't have any food.
I've gotta walk him down.
I've got minimal food here, 58 health per second, I'll pop it, it's actually big.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait!
No!
That's a close steal, man.
That's a close steal.
It's a close duel.
Oh, here we go, we got some dry porpoise guys, we need some food, like this is crazy.
Oh, this guy keeps remaking characters harassing us, I have to report this guy.
Wait, I can't report him.
Guys, should we level up the hunter?
Is that what we need to do?
It might be time to level up the hunter.
I think Hunter might be the class we need to check out.
Seriously.
Hunter's always been the best tool if people are blind.
Maybe my gear's not that this.
All right, what is it maged on I mean we saw the mage council. They're saying that they're uncertain of the future of mages
They don't know how good it's gonna be
They can't tell
Starfall another druid I will do one last go for starfall. Okay, wait
Is this person gonna try to play their class and not sit in the air for more games? See how it goes
We're training toe-to-toe
I'm sure you this
Bit-kick mist!
Trying to throw it, I'm walking him down.
What? What is-
I'm doing crazy damage, I have full lead up. Big lead.
Trying to stay up, stay on him. Let's go, let's go, run him down.
Starfire being casted?
He's got a new game, right?
Ask a game.
There's no way to live.
Jesus, close to the little, close to the little Starfall.
Actually, it's all got in the end.
Stack up that rest to xB.
You see the deck in ring?
Payo got?
I did not.
Is Payo using some gear exploit?
That was a good dual Starfall.
Okay, let me see.
Guys, I got Rogue, Dark Lord, Peekaboo.
characters badass and then my hunter high noon peekaboo sick ass character as
well so sick chills right actually though she is hot
shadow priest shadow priest will probably be better as time goes on you
can't really be a shadow priest at level 20 it doesn't quite make sense
God, I fucking got to eat my Chipotle.
Guys, so far the most fun class I've actually played is Hunter.
I think Hunter is sleeper.
John, do that bygones, appreciate that very much.
I think Hunter is sleeper OP.
It's sleeper OP.
I need bags when you're guilty.
We need bags.
Guys, can someone sit in my group here?
I might need someone in my guild to sit in the group here.
This is unbelievable, bro.
How do I have these people doing this?
We got Tim Hortons. Perfect.
Ten streamers are calling Hunter Sleeper OP?
Guys, it's Sleeper. Okay, it's Sleeper.
I've got my pet Stripes.
Level locking it's Staff of Sore and Rock?
What?
That's insanely this.
Yeah, Strikes is a tough ass name. What do you mean Hunter is boring?
Dude, how am I already level 15? I'm about to go to Runes of Lord Daron.
Okay, should we go hit Westfall?
I just, if you guys missed it, we completed Hall of Thanes last night.
Got Ultimate Biss. Look at that. Calibrated Blunderbuss.
Cape, bis, legs, bis, belt, bis, gloves, bis, everything from the dungeon is bis.
New boots and new chest, everything, crazy.
Keep what's going on?
Guys, how is Hunter born?
I just did HOT, got some nice legs at HOT is fire.
Ten gift, they can give you some bags?
You might need to figure out some bags then.
Terry, that's a crazy name.
I
Spectant a marksman 5% crit chance, and then I'm 1% into ace from Debbie aspects I'll go man sir
20 gifted subs
Wait, how is everybody dropping all these subs guys these dubies right now, please. Thank you very very much
Guys today. I did a quick life package of polo instead of getting a burrito
Why don't I have storm and flight that?
I did white rice, black beans, double chicken, sour cream cheese, tortilla on the side.
Hunter says, Albin Willman, sir, thank you very much my friend.
I will play Hunter now because of that. How about that?
You're talking 50 subs, John? What the hell is going on here?
Donations, wait. What's going on here? So...
I see $3 on PayPal from John.
John, thank you very very much and wait
Wait $50 from Cody
Dude also last night. I got a donation from Cody again for $50
Guys get some W's right now for Cody worse. Are you Cody? You are insane. Okay. I saw that last night too
I'm sorry. I missed that because I don't pay pal open this man Cody is insane. That's it
it. Japoli's on Cody for the next days. Actually, dinner is on Cody from the grocery store.
I went to the grocery store. I can't remember how much it cost, but I'm pretty sure all
my dinner is on Cody. That's fire.
And I was in a 20 gifted sugar daddy. Yeah, I got, I got, I got, I got that. Why is everybody
dead in here? What was this, uh, summit in his crew or something? Jesus Christ. Ridiculous.
Wow! Freak, we need 300 beef.
Quarter of lights, I don't know.
Where's the go baby, that's crazy.
Yeah, no, we're ripping. Thank you for the gift and we are so bad.
That's right, sub C zero ads in the stream.
Jai Wretham, that's up.
You say Hunter is OP, you contain a level 22 pet?
I saw that, it is overpowered and broken.
Dude, they made the chicken at Chipotle very spicy, I don't know what happened.
Lock it up so I can have that mortal strike in 100% up top with 50% of your ceiling.
Swasiv, 20 gifted subs up, but Goosey did not tell me, why did everyone drop a sub,
man?
Swasiv did not 20 gifted that, boom, man.
But Goosey did not stop too.
Yo, I thought that mortal strike thing for 100 pets might be good.
It's potentially good. Maybe not versus everything, but possibly good.
Possibly. Jesus, man. Faded is a day on some.
Spider root is bis. Bro, the spider root is not very good versus gnomes. They just gnome
racial out of it. That's the thing in classic. It's like everything is good into something,
but you've thought you've failed to others.
Or should I almost miss it?
Alaskan that's him.
I'm gonna say thank you, right?
John, ten get their subs up.
John is running a trade on every single person here in the channel.
That is ridiculous.
That is absolutely ridiculous.
Kid me?
Dude, we just got another $50 donation from Michael.
Michael, you are insane too.
This is crazy.
That might have been a record.
We took a tram from Iron Forge to Stormwind that had to be a record amount of subs and
donations in one tram ride.
That was unbelievable.
I can't tell who Michael, whoever Michael was in the stream.
You're a legend.
Thank you very much.
Wow.
Justy, did not sub-preciate that.
Some more reaction content you're calling.
Yeah, we might have to.
guys what's up with this dual tournament are any of you gonna try to play in the
dual tournament what's going on John remind me get you some bags bro
Jason's voice is deep like the of this I need him to sing a T pain song now bro
What? WORRORISTS! 50, 50!
What the...
50, 40 subs?
There's some W's right now. Jesus!
Yeah, meerkat. Maybe side-up. It could be lit.
Maybe we need the... the other pet, not the Succubi?
First of all, I have to go to 100 trainer. Where's the 100 trainer?
The class trainers don't show on the map. I swear it's Dwarven District, isn't it?
50 subs, of course, is ridiculous. Jesus. Guys, we are almost in range of hitting
runes of Lord Daeron into dead mines, into whaling caverns, into full vests, and then
we can start trying to cook on Hunter. Okay, seriously. We've got more subs in one day than
18 months
Well, I mean that's
They say comparison
No point. No point to do that
Thank you. We're supposed to book less us. Okay. Well, I think the sub count one stuff is there's too many stuff
It's lagging my whole system
Eagle eye eyes of the beast and scare beast these are pretty kind of useless spells. No
your eyes of the beast I can help you run dungeons guys we'll see we guys I
can't run dungeons or level 20s we got to we got to play with people that are
like you know me or cap what is that even what the hell is that emo kidding
me that's me catching a pass in real time yeah that's big that's big big big
Little six on the hunter. Okay. All right
Double hunter. We'll see we'll see I think I gotta go to Westfall. We gotta go Westfall
We gotta get a quest quest five going on. I'm freezing cold
What's the best rogue counter an opener and PDP I
Don't know man right now when a rogue opens on you all they can do is either ambush you or garoche you
or an attack to his finisher strike so the thing is just fight back as fast as possible
I'm leaking again, bro. This memory leak shit is crazy
To cure
You're looking thick, solid, and tight thick, can I get a key guys, what keys?
Are people still giving out keys, is that happening?
What?
Yo is someone testing our new builder now, does he think it's bad?
Hey guys isn't it funny, everyone's going crazy off level 20 characters, I don't think
he gets doomed when the game hasn't even released.
I think, honestly, everyone is blowing things out of proportion and taking it way too serious.
Way too serious.
It's like, we're here to test the beta on an incredible version of the game that is slightly
evolved, it is okay.
Every class is good, every class is viable.
I mean, I would say that the only real issue with the game is it's too dark at night.
That is the one thing that everyone is agreeing on out of everything
That's that's literally that's it. That's the only that's the only real problem of the game
So I've been reporting that every night I've been trying to get that fixed because it's getting it's getting out of control
It is it's just yes, just the brightness at nighttime. It's just brutal. Yeah
Yeah
Toby the next year too people are saying streamers are ruining the game
What?
Who says that?
I like that, Terry.
I like that.
Get the torch from the cobalt.
I mean, I'm not sure how to do that.
Oh, wait.
Yo, we got a new ranged weapon.
Should we test it out, see if it's any good?
Oh, my.
Wow.
Wow, the gun sound is fire, is it not?
My gun skill is 6.
Oh, that's insane.
Hunter is so broken, bro.
Does Hunter not have hit chance on guns?
I have not missed a single shot.
I'm trying to level the guns, so guys, at 15.
Bro, Stripes go so hard.
You just missed, guys, because I'm testing the weapon skill, and I'm getting a moving
target, that's why.
Ammo's bug is not getting consumed. Low-key though, some parts of what made Classic great
are the bugs. So I'm not going to report that. But apparently it looks like I'm not using
any ammo. Yeah, probably not going to report that. Just going to let that be. That's fine.
Don't mind that. Yeah, that's probably a new feature, yeah. Probably a future. Yeah, makes sense.
Can you stick your tongue out and roll your eyes back?
Yeah, you're taking 10.
Fellow Hunter, enjoy your event.
Yeah, Hunter, I've been hearing Hunter's not very good.
I mean, we'll see.
We'll test it out a little bit, see if we can test it.
See who's maybe viable?
Possibly, we'll see.
I've got it, I've got to see Hunter in Worldview B. I just...
Gilded by for 10 gifted subs? Are you...
I ain't fucking that guy so fast. That might even be the fastest Gilded by I've done in the whole way.
That is crazy.
No, that's not RMT.
Ebo, that's up.
Guys, Hunter is sick. Hunter is the most fun class I've played so far.
Castro!
Blessing the channel with 10 gifted subs.
That is beautiful to see right there.
Jesus.
Dude, we're at 211 subs, the 21,100%.
Oh my goodness.
Jesus.
Thank you very, very much.
Smartfellerfartsneller.
G invite for 100 gifted.
Are you guys just making things up?
What's going on here?
What's happening here?
This is crazy.
I'll leave my guild right now guys.
Why are we all not in the boot guild?
This is the best guild on the server by the way.
Hey there.
Have a good day.
Hey there.
We're back in Westfall.
We've made it.
Wait, why are these all grey mobs by the way?
40 gun skill by the way.
We gotta look for oats.
I'm leaking, but I gotta re-log.
Be my friend at the end.
Wait, there, it's not got oats.
Man, Hunter just feels so powerful.
Dropped you a donut with Skrubbler.
What?
$100 of Kyle!
What is going on?
Skrubbler, you already sink that $100.
Bro, all these donuts,
we might have to literally hit a 24-hour banger.
Should we actually rip a 24-banger tonight?
Why am I lagging so bad?
It might be a 24 angle it could be it could definitely be a 24-banger
She invite at Adderham you're gonna be online you're trolling
W Kyle that's right right guys. I mean this shit's just going crazy
Do this many people enjoy the hunter gameplay
Wow look at Westphalian
Look at Westfall. That right there is flaring up my astigmatism. I shit you not. I literally...
Let's turn that fog off. Yeah. Dude, my game feels like it's gonna crash the second I turn off the fog.
Okay, let me get my quest.
Man, these hotspot zones are just a little laggy.
Commander, remove fog. I'll turn the fog back on.
I forgot. We had to go to Sentinel Hill and grab all the quests. I'm used to being told
exactly what to do and then I just do it. But now we kind of got to think for ourselves
Ghost is on the out and playing for us.
54 guns killed by the way.
No, no, no.
Let's go here, the killing fields.
This.
the killing fields, this...
Dude, another part about the Mata 2 that I'm really excited about when the game comes out
is I hope they can fix the FPS issue because I am literally noticing this FPS issue like every
second I'm logged in. I can't wait until they fix that and then it's like I forgot
Wow, it's even like when it runs properly
My FPS is cropped constantly, bro. It's like I'm not gonna re-log every 10 minutes. It's like it's crazy
It's insane they haven't fixed that I'm sure they're trying to fix it, but it probably requires a massive overhaul
Feels like retail FPS retail FPS is also shit. I don't know what's going on
What it what is this clip summit react what's going on?
You're so it...
Oh my god, the show you guys.
Dude, sometimes I swear I say some funny shit.
Sometimes it is funny.
Oh man.
Ultra sweat mission to get books.
Guys, everyone is ultra sweating out for gear.
I can't believe it.
I'm sure people will have some kind of strategy on how to gear,
but right now I'm checking out the levels.
I'm experimenting with classes.
is I'm seeing what I'm gonna play. Back that's up. I can tell you for certain Rogue is good,
Hunter is good, Warlock is good, Shaman is good, Priest is good, everything is good.
I think Warrior is very good too, except in Worldview Theory now. Dude, literally every class
is good. Anyone saying that every class is not good is completely trolling, there's just no way.
How is Rogue good when they have no way to heal?
Well, lots of classes don't have a way to heal.
That's why when you have your HP bar, you sometimes have to play aggressive then.
You've got to try to run in, and yeah, you're going to be dying too,
but the other person, hopefully, is just dying a little bit faster.
Did I get all the quests?
Dig with me, Lisa.
That's why I play Priest.
Yeah, Priest has tons of healing and tons of damage.
Okay, I'm going to go up here.
a little lost here hold on
Westfall is dog shit bro Westfall is one of the most iconic leveling areas in
the entire game undisputed
More of my buffs hidden
Which I play play a hunter yo some congee water. Thank you
That's actually huge
Something crazy
Actually didn't really like dirt are leveling dirt are leveling sucked and the night all study zone sucked
Night off zone is the worst leveling for sure
It's like similar time. It's just feel so bad
A bunch of damage actually pretty bad.
Did I just get some out of there?
Dude, this Westfall Sun is crazy.
Why people hate non-mages?
What's wrong with them?
There is realistically nothing wrong with mages.
Xarger sparked a discussion about mages at level 60 in the endgame and how they might
not have the most complex rotation. That's the best little the end, but mages as far as I can tell
and like every aspect of the game are going to dominate and destroy and crush people and they
are insane. But at level 60 maybe the rotation is a little sus potential. That's that's the little
As is tradition, that's right.
He's advocating for class change.
Is every class going to want?
I mean, I think he's just causing, making some discussion, right?
I wouldn't take it too serious
We have major majors in PDE are still gonna do crazy damage. What do I like crazy damage?
Right with living saw we saw him in a
Wait, why don't I have a quest for this this gyro golden spring did I miss something?
Yeah, we're there saw my dead mind still more damage this whole group combined, right? It's like major just fine
Yeah, everything resets when the game goes live.
Chat, put your rent- I think my render scale is on 98.
What's the best pet?
Uh, I- I use a cat. I think the cat does the most damage.
I'm not sure if in PvP the cat's the best, but I think people are also over-contacting the pets.
Just use a cat. Damage is crazy.
They look cool
Morning that's up
I miss the quest wait, where is the quest?
Yeah, apparently there's a hunter crocodile pet that gives mortal strike
Which is super good and
And there's also like a spider pet which roots people. That's also good
You also get a board that charges people for a second and hits hard
Yeah, board could be good
People say that no one class being taken while forever is reptiles
I think Blizzard has made reptiles intentionally very powerful and
And it's kind of a hero class of the of the game
Like that one of their big points in the trailer was like the undead Paladin paladins are getting a lot of crazy shit
So if you pick a paladin that class will for sure be insane every speck of Paladin
I think red tank healer all of it
I didn't need hands, could be sick too.
Yeah, definitely missed a quest, I'm not sure where, but...
How to teach the pet new skills?
You have to like train your pet by taming other pets and stuff, it's kind of weird.
You should google a website called Petopia, and then as you level up your pet, you get new rates.
It's actually important to love the pet, because your pet does a lot of damage.
Seems like I painted the ass.
I mean, kind of, but it's kind of just part of the conversion and shit.
So many new hunters have no idea about pet skills. Yeah, it's kind of a weird concept.
They said, they said doing major A.W. Dungeons is done by hunter-souling bosses, isn't it?
I mean, yeah, maybe mages can't, like, pull entire dungeons in one pack, but mages are
you're still gonna do more A-R-E damage than like any other class of the game I think.
Filiac, can I tell?
I'm surprised like more mage players wouldn't say that, like, are any of you playing mage
or is like nobody playing mage?
Cause I feel like any mage would be like, yeah, I'm just pressing arcane explosion and
killing everything.
yeah they could be gatekeeping it or something or underselling it it's it's
weird right
i i i because mage is still an insanely good class
it's exactly the same as before actually
silver though it's a
my boyfriend is playing a mage medium or an increase in daeji is so fun yeah
that's a great combo
No more huge roach. I think they're both good.
I kinda look like human.
I want to make a human warrior for that crit chance for the damage.
I haven't seen a mage around yet? Yeah, it's because they're all higher level.
Every mage is already max level, full dis.
The mage is the one that actually bypassed the level cap.
I don't know how the wait-to-play mage won't release, yep.
Mage was the hero class in classic.
I mean, yeah, that's what some people seem to not understand.
People are like, oh, warriors didn't get changed much, and it's like, dude, warrior is like
the most insane class in classic WoW ever.
It was crazy.
And I think the most fun damage organization, it was doing more damage than any other class.
It was ridiculous.
So I think people seem to forget that some classes just dominated the game forever, so
they've tried to bring other stuff up while not nerfing stuff that was already good.
And like the downside of War is like, yeah, War is always not great at PvP, it's like
a little 20-inch hit.
Or in World PvP, War just kind of sucks, you can't hit anything.
I'm going low wolf now.
Low Wolf is a pretty bad talent for Hunter.
They would have to seriously buff it or something.
You can play it, but it's really not great.
Your pet does way more damage than 20% damage increase.
And then your pet also tanks for you and shit.
So it's a weird talent actually.
It's pretty weird.
It's supposed to be good in like endgame raids or stuff where your pet just dies all the time.
Right, cause imagine trying to level without your pet taking aggro and shit.
You can't even use your bow.
At 20 it's the best talent. How?
Shout out for it's gonna be great.
You don't even have taunt on?
Yeah, I don't have taunt on because it takes focus, so my pet can't do like a claw, so
with my pet does less damage. I'm scared of battle mages plopping noble with every auto
and ice lance you. Yeah, the mages could be underselling the battle mage power. It could
be the direct counter to hunters right because you just run into the hunter they
can't shoot you out of the mages are acting a little weird I don't know how
to explain if I'm peeking at the kind of hunter to run out of ammo in the middle of a raid well
technically there's a bug right now where hunters don't use ammo it's infinite so
that would not happen
What do you think of energy no longer ticking up it's completely fine totally irrelevant to the game
Human arms what where there's a lot of fun we're safe
running hardcore at some point? Yeah, I'll definitely check it out. How do I turn around?
Just hold down like A or D or hold down right click and then move your mouse.
There's no reading. People are tilting over energy ticks. Yeah, I didn't understand the tick
argument either. I think some people kind of lose their minds a little bit on this game.
I think they've been playing too much
There is a chance that some people have been playing wow every day for like 15 hours every day, and it's completely fried their brains
Right very very real possible
I don't even go up there.
Anything that's up in the neighborhood?
Some people are going to be burnt out from the beta.
I don't think so. If you know yourself and you're going to burn out, then you definitely take breaks.
There's not really a rush or anything, right?
You level the beta, you get to 20.
There's a lot of people that are doing this mid-maxing stuff, and you don't really need to do all that.
Well, you actually don't do any of that at all, but I think people are just checking things out cuz it's gonna do
Nice
You're not going to do all that on the main game, people have both unique level 20 cap
that will never happen again.
Um, yeah, I mean maybe, I don't know.
Why is this mob chasing me?
No?
Wow, look at that.
I melted in combat from Choptagra.
I went 5 in crit chance and then I'm putting points into deathly aspects.
Hope does not let Rogues do so now. It's like a random threat drop.
You should put 5 into the 100% attack power increase.
Yeah, I don't think that talent's that good.
Because this this gives you 20% attack power as intellect, which I have 27 intellect
So it gives me like five attack power
And five attack powers is not that good compared to like if I got 30% ace on my attack speed
Yeah, I mean even in a hundred percent, I think it's probably not that good.
I'll take the ten percent haste.
We'll test it out though.
Well, Chats, go BM. Yeah, BM used to be the spec, but it's so nice you're streaming this.
I was so close to playing it, and I can't risk it with my dedication to my job and family.
The occasional arrogant watch is better than good enough.
That's a sell-per-unit. The game will come out at some point, so you can play yourself.
Wow, so.
Hunter beats Wands if they build stamina and hit 1500% HP.
I'm pretty sure Hunters are hardly.
Like if I'm thinking of the best classes at level 20 right now, I think it's Priest,
Hunter, and Pally.
I think those generally would be the best.
Adrogh?
I don't know if Rogue is, I mean Rogue is good.
But with full gear and everything, I don't know if Rogue is, maybe Rogue beats Hunter,
I don't know.
Everything seems kind of good, like it's hard to tell.
I don't know if Shaman's that good.
Yo, why does Feral have that Feral Leap spell?
What's up with that?
Is that a bug or something?
Why do they give him that?
It seems kind of weird, right?
I feel like that's like a retail spell.
And then Ferrell already had a bunch of mobility stuff.
Ferrell sucks, it doesn't matter.
I mean, it might matter as time goes on, right?
Is Hunter going to fall off an end game?
No.
Hunter's insane.
Getting in this in Classic WoW really falls off.
Everything kind of just gets better.
Literally, right?
Yeah, there's no falling off in WoW.
You definitely just get stronger as time goes on.
I don't think it fell off, I mean it's good for what it is, but I wouldn't say classic
while raiding is a great representation of balance, but this version of the game is different
too because I think they're trying to make everything a bit closer than it was.
Dude, Hunter did not scale past MC?
Guys, I think when people are saying it like doesn't scale, I'm not sure what that even
means because like, like any class could clear all the content in classic, you know?
You weren't like, you weren't like, yo I can't do this because I'm this class.
And technically no version of WoW is like that.
You should be able to do everything in WoW on any class in any version of the game.
But I think some people are like thinking of like, parsing or something?
I mean I'm not sure.
They're saying they couldn't talk for years.
I mean yeah, that's just how it is, right?
Some classes are just weak for damage.
And perfect world, every class would have the ability to top the meters in a skill-based
universe, but that's not this game though, that's not even like really retail, and every
class just has different encounters where they do better.
When fights are so simple, that's the thing too, there's not a lot of a, I mean even in
general the idea of parsing is really dumb and I think it's like super toxic and it makes
rating like, the way parsing is, parsing is based upon so much factors that aren't even
like relevant.
It's like you need to have a bunch of buffs and you need to be getting like the external
buffs like PI, you know, innervate, and then it's also based upon how good your team is,
right, because how fast the boss dies, so it's less tough time. And then when people are
trying to parse, they're like completely ignoring mechanics most of the time. So it's like when
you're trying to chase these parse numbers and shit, usually the guy you're chasing has
the entire raid funneling to him to try to give him the best numbers. So it actually
just makes it like, oh my god, and then usually it causes more wipes than anything because
you're just like ignoring everything, you're not kicking anything, you're not switching
the ads, you know what I mean? And it's all nonsense. It doesn't actually matter if you're
parsing slightly higher. Because it doesn't actually prove that you're better than the
person or anything. It's not even like a balanced... like your raid comp matters too. It's like
so... I don't know, parsing is really chill. Especially in classic WoW, it's not like a
parsing game at all. That's like all super retail mentality stuff. And even in retail,
super annoying. Didn't I try to farce by not pressing Sunder Armour? No. I was naturally
the highest damage dealer in the raid and someone else was pressing that button for
So we're not going to waste the bill when he's like that.
That's why.
Yeah.
It is fun.
It is fun.
Yeah, it's fun to like see your numbers pop up on a damage meter, but like generally
the people that are making fights successful and shit are the, it's like stuff you can't
track on the meter, right?
like someone doing the mechanic properly or you know someone someone like you know get the spells and
you know people actually doing shit for the raid like setting up sunders setting up the arbor debuffs
and like those are the people that are that are impacting the raid
why are you everybody tank i don't know tank tank is not really my style
Yeah, Sunder Armour is for the Zars, right, yeah.
Parsing's a state competition with Svetlars.
I'm surprised a lot of people are talking about the difficulty of Classic WoW and it
seems like it's more popular when Classic WoW is not meant to be this super difficult
game.
Like, back in the day it was super tough, right, everyone didn't really know what was
going on and then even when you log in now like a lot of these people know what
to do like they have they all have the best gear they know where to put the
talents they don't hit their buttons it's like it's pretty different now I'm
not even sure if any video game company could really make a game that's
considered extremely difficult right the most the most difficult games
inherently seem to be the ones where you're playing against other people
Except like there's also games to like where you can adjust the difficulty yourself like elven ring right you can make that game
As hard or as easy as you want kind of like it. Wow, right?
You know it wow you could make this game already you could just play without getting any new gear and
You know you could do all these self-imposed challenges
It's hard to make a difficult PD game yeah, it's very tough
And then like what's difficult to some is different to others
And then like I think I always thought like one of the hardest parts of wow is not necessarily the content
It's the people you're doing the content with
I don't know if a lot of people just like seem any like forget that or something but
Or they just always play with like a group of people who are like super sweats like always
Because literally even doing a very simple task in wow becomes very difficult when you're playing with new players
like it's it's hard to even get people to like whisper you back like even
even speaking English to people in the game is hard for people who don't play
the game all the time because they might not like be using people all the time
they don't they don't know that they can't find a whisper on the screen
they're not like they can't it's like just basic shits becomes much harder
large group coordination dude large group coordination is massively difficult
It's it's crazy. Everyone's like
Yeah, large group coordination is nuts. It's nuts. I try to gather people to do something and wow
It's extremely difficult like it met like there'd be times where I'd be going to play like a wow tournament
And I'm literally sitting next to my teammates that I play with I'm sitting shoulder to shoulder with them
And we like can't figure out how to get the group to start playing the game
And I'm really sitting right next to the people and we're just running around like the the building for like minutes trying to figure out
How do you can start playing and it's like dude?
As we can do it
I mean as I got so many people that are trying to do stuff, but I that's kind of different though
Like when you when you have to try to get a coordinated group of people
That's why like 40 man raids. They have to make 40 man raids like super
you know very very even in even in 20 man raids in 10 man's they can't look
like some kind of ridiculous mechanics on people just so hard to get you to do
shit
This one punches and saves.
He kept popping with three full raid groups, yeah, Savik's got it down to a size, that's
crazy.
Might be easier with Vega servers?
Nah.
Well, I got my first ace proc.
Well, the ace proc is so much damage.
Did I run out of hard for off of that? No.
I want to play the game and see what the game is like without having to play on hardcore.
I'm surprised they even wanted to release hardcore so fast.
I was like, dude, we haven't gotten to the end game, we haven't seen anything, we have no idea.
idea and it's like everyone's like work because we're gonna be like leveling and
playing right and then they might release hardcore and then it's like what
we're just gonna ditch our character like halfway through and be like okay I'm
just gonna try to do this I don't know and plus two it's like I want to play
like multiple characters and it's like there's no way we will level multiple
characters and then like that comes out
Is people only interested in hardcore?
Yeah, I don't know. Hardcore definitely blew up over a while,
because I swear hardcore was kind of non-existent.
I hope they only do 40 matches or so.
Yeah, the 40 matches are probably like one boss race.
I wonder if there's petries in this game or anything like that.
I'm not.
Is Pika 35 plus?
I'm 40?
Is this all my childhood music?
No, I'm 28?
Only things about 40 minute raids?
I think it's fine, man.
40-man raids are just so tough to fill.
Like, it's just crazy.
I don't know, some people racy too.
Trying to racy it is so obnoxious, like, it's crazy.
Trying to actually invite people and figure out what's going on again when it's the same place is tough.
You got to really be locked in as a rapier.
I like to always just join Raze and not have to do anything.
I just like show up and play it.
Whenever I have to start inviting people and dealing with that, it's like, this is so frustrating.
Yeah, 40-man scheduling is impossible, and then yeah, loot's tough and 40-man's too.
I wonder how the loot's gonna feel in this game.
seems like they're giving out a lot of loot. I didn't like the gearing in
TBC. It felt like in TBC you didn't get any gear, like ever.
Strip it takes a loot. What?
I did six hard-core molten cores not getting a single piece? Yeah, it's like dude.
Then again too, it's like when you really try to think about it, the gear
doesn't really matter that much it's not like you can't clear it without the
gear but it is nice to like try to chase the new gear but it's not technically
the end of the world if you're not getting here but
I need a water sample.
PvP server.
It's CriJaff watching someone get handed six pieces while doing less than you for the
raid.
I mean, that's how well it works, man, that you're not always going to get the loot or
get the gear.
And then if you think about it, maybe that person needs the gear more than you, too.
Right?
You guys ever think like that?
Or is it, no, fuck that.
Let's give the gear to the people doing things.
Nah, I need it more.
No one needs gear more than me.
If you have an issue with the loot system, you re-lead it.
I look for you guys, I'm not a loot goblin.
I'm testing out the items for you guys.
That's why I'm like, yo, I kinda need to get the Iris first, because I need to see if this is good, and I can tell you guys if it's good.
Serious, guys, because I've like, I'm crazy for saying that.
Like, I'm the guy leveling all these characters. A lot of you guys are sitting here at LARP, and like, you can play the game.
I'm sitting here chewing the game all day long, every day.
You can put in hours testing this build, testing that build.
There's already gear drawn by the Discord one month before release.
Yeah, the gear gets crazy.
It looks like when you press Arcane Shot and it's on full-time you get like a ghost auto
attack when you Hunter's Mark.
Like right there I auto-attacked and you don't hear it.
So it's like this little thing where you can get an extra auto.
Right there, getting ghost auto.
Where you don't even hear it.
My talents are out here, five in lethal attacks for the crit, and then I'm going with deadly aspects.
Wait, crit first? That's good!
Crit is insane!
Crit's one of the best that you can get on like every character, I'm pretty sure.
What was the skill best in 16?
I don't play that every one.
What about range?
Whatever skills best for your fun ratings.
There you go.
I think people should just focus on trying to have fun and enjoying the game.
Well, maybe that means, you know, playing the best thing you can.
Whoa! Scope!
Little Danberg, thank you very much, baby. Ghost Otter right there, by the way.
Put Taunt.
Taunt is actually a DPS loss on the pet.
I'll check that.
We don't want to put Taunt on the pet because it takes 15 focus,
And that could stop our pet from getting an extra claw off so it is a substantial damage loss
You know we could we could make you argue it well if the pet holds aggro big back into the auto attack off and that's nonsense
I will always find the auto attack
Just can't stop
Lacking a bit
Juicy, get us up.
What will counter Hunters and PvP?
Hunters get countered by it if you can run on top of the Hunter and they can't shoot
you with their bow. That's the biggest counter to Hunter because then once you're on top
of the Hunter you just start cooking them and they can't do too much to fight back.
That says a melee at least. Yeah there is survival hunter now, melee hunter. I wonder
how good that is. Well in there it should all be good. Yeah maybe, it is probably sick.
I think they tried to buff that class. Like it felt good leveling it. Potential of a melee
mage. Honestly, melee mage? That sounds kinda crazy. That guy was so excited making that
video I don't know I don't know what to expect maybe he's on to something I don't
know if I would see melee base becoming like the meta though
There's Shalma getting wind figure at 30?
What?
What can I even delete?
Just cut it a bit, huh, but so...
I thought it's 32.
Winfiry and Storm Strike?
Goes out of there.
Nice.
My mark, is it doing auto attack?
Hunter's a lot of fun.
When I press what I'm doing is I'm pressing Hunter's Mark and then I press Arcane Shot
and then it shoots.
So it's actually getting like an extra auto attack when I'm doing that.
Yeah, because they change how the weapon type works.
That long-tipped attack there, right?
Dang, by the way, 16.
No, I'm not exploiting. What I'm doing is I'm starting my attack.
We'll go to another point here.
4% chance of getting haste.
Is it out of there?
It's nice to have this shoot timer here.
because basically once the bar gets full you want to stop running and then
you're going to shoot them so then it helps with kiting so you can like get
more distance and still maximize your damage
Whoa, it's easy to rare.
Can we just literally like 1v5 that? Is Hunter not crazy?
How disgusting is Hunter?
No blue unfortunately.
Damn.
I was watching on YouTube where your stream music is fire. I'm tapped in, man.
Why did Blizzard ask us to sign up for the beta that has to pay 60 bucks?
I don't know. I've had a ton of fun playing the beta though.
The shit's been crazy. This has been the most hyped up beta I've ever been a part of in my life.
So technically, I've now been a part of WoW history, and we have all been a part of WoW history if you're playing too, or if you're watching.
Guess who knows this could never happen again ever in the history of Blizzard.
Right this might be it for the next massive big release unless I mean
potentially maybe a release could be bigger is maybe like new retail
extension maybe. Maybe that's possible but I don't know it seems like it's probably a stretch.
Just I reasons what were your channel for the library's two weeks ago. I think we're after like 500 years or so
So now yeah, things have gone crazy
So we're up we're definitely up
Whoa
Check out what's going on in Darkshire. We'll power level it right now. We'll see.
Yo, it's almost time for Rudes of Lord Garon though.
And then we can actually start to try to figure out what's good in PvP for Hunter.
Or if Hunter sucks, like everyone's saying.
Yo, we need to farm that bow from Wailing Caverns.
Oh my god, how disgusting is that bow?
That bow's gotta be crazy.
Show us the bow, yeah, if it drops.
Can I come for RW?
Guys, we can't have level 20's carrying redunctions.
We gotta have authentic runs here, man.
That's our status getting carried.
Mmm.
Don't join? I mean, we could, dick.
That's why I'm worth just ripping and getting the XP.
Oh, here we go.
Oh, well, I got a proc.
Dude, this haste proc is insane.
30% haste is like a bloodbust.
I mean Hunter damage is insane is it not like what are we talking about who is saying
Hunter is bad!
What's that pull for?
You get disarmed on Hunter? It doesn't even disarm you.
It doesn't even disarm you bro. You're still shooting them
Crazy
Wow
Just imagining being a rogue and pulling like four of these, it's instant death.
Kind of want to put my pet attack macro on my arcane shot, too.
That's one thing about Hunter, there's like a couple things you can do to like micromanage
your pet to do it a little faster, trying to get it going the right way quicker because
the pet commands are kind of lagging this.
Nice.
I'll try this, bow, bow, scroll, pet attack, yeah, pet attack is this.
This is a level 17 hunters bro.
Well, I need to turn this question, bro.
Wait, really, Eric?
I'll check that then.
What, I'm changing?
Target nearest enemy map, I want one button leveling.
I'm good, I'm good.
I'm enjoying the Hunter leveling more than any of the class.
Honestly, this is going to suck once I get off Hunter and I'm like, wait, holy shit,
this is brutal.
levels at light speed. It's not even close. It's the fastest leveler in the
game. Honestly, yo, since they nerfed mage A.R.E. leveling, do we think that like
one of these world-first levelers gonna play? I wonder what the new best level is.
Is it Hunter? Is Hunter gonna win first to 60?
Oh, Torrent Hunter could be crazy.
They nerfed Avery leveling by making mages like can't kill all the mobs now, and they
nerfed the slows, which was actually great.
Like mage mage are not happy of course, but I mean that shit was hella dumb.
Like we're all grinding our asses off in class to try to level up a mage, just pulling 20
murlocs and getting a great kill here.
right that's pretty fun
but that was definitely out of control right
Groobo with Dungeons might be an honor.
Well actually they nerfed Dungeon XP.
They tried to stop Dungeon Boosting too so you're kind of forced like quest and play
the game.
What the fuck is my pet going?
My pet's dead.
No!
Wait, why's my pet- Ewing?
What's Ewing him?
My pet died.
No!
Wow. That's the first time my pets ever died.
How do I resin?
Press pad, baby.
Pulled 15 Merlux, pulled the entire boat, and lived.
Jesus.
Let's see my guy.
All right, he's good, he's good, he's back to life.
Damn classic is dead. Wait, did everyone already stop playing? Am I the only guy on this shit?
Has been signed off wait what wait who's in the wild section still Summit s-fand
Sheesh.
Take damage, by the way.
I peeked you.
Do you enjoy Hunter?
Can you take your character's armor off?
What?
Wow, category is pushing 50.
Guys, how old is everyone in the team?
Guys, how old is everyone in the chat?
Okay, I'm 28.
I'm feeling the most youthful I ever had.
This is already eating chicken breast every day.
Wait, wait, wait.
Is the average age of people in here over 30?
Is that what's going on?
Wait, some of you are definitely older.
I'm 36?
Wait, does this mean like people in Zars chatter in their 40s, 50s average?
What?
This is a little ridiculous.
What?
How are you guys calling me Unk then?
So a lot of you are mid-30s and not calling me Unk.
Huh?
Oh, that's a lot here.
Got a proc.
Going crazy here with the haste.
You're an aggro please.
Strike, don't die.
Beautiful.
No, Sastana, please!
Where's this lag?
No, my pet died again, man.
How?
damn ripstrikes again on the floor
shit is no joke out here man
no joke out here Jesus
I've almost completed every single quest here I ripped Westfall up bro
your pet sucks bro no strikes is actually going crazy
Are you like 24? I'm 28 years old. I'm a grown-ass man, tax-paying citizen.
Yes, that's up.
How is Warlock? I got to level 6, but Warlock has lots of potential. I've realized, I said this
earlier, there's tons of misinformation and misconceptions of what classes are good,
And a lot of people have no idea what they're talking about.
So I would say, literally, any class is good,
and every class is fun right now.
Some might be a little better than others at PPP at level 20.
But yeah, a lot of people are tweaking,
like just straight nonsense.
I'm reading.
Except Maze players might have started
leaving the delusion of, wait, my class is maybe not that good.
But they've successfully confused the masses
by talking partially about level 60 endgame reading and then partially about PDP and there's
a lot of weird propaganda going on here.
I want to get into retailPVP.stop going outside.
Really you just have to start watching some videos. It depends like how motivated you are to but I mean you definitely watching videos
This is big
It's actually hard to play retail for lots of hours because the game is so mentally draining
So actually if you if you had to pick between playing retail or this you would play retail a lot less than you play this
Yeah, dude, retail kind of turned into a game where it was really hard to be on the game
for a lot of hours.
Classic WoW, it's really easy to be on this game for a lot of hours.
It's a lot slower, and sometimes, yeah, it gets a little maybe not as exciting as other
times, but it's much easier to jump time into this game.
retail it's like no you you feel the time you're playing quickly very quickly
Venom strike just dropped yeah I need that strike that shit is this yeah V is
another eventually taxing game you feel every game on the legends where it's like
your brain hurts your back hurts your neck hurts everything hurts I'm trying
to focus on the screen. You have to go inside the slit too. So in the case you're pushing
hard to grow up ready and build up a bit of busts, chill, not even. I don't know, I find
it very hard to chill doing anything on retail. This is the most chill gaming you can do is
playing classic wow I'm pretty sure unless you're playing like Animal Crossing
or something I don't know any game that's like this especially from a
streamer POV like this is my favorite kind of streaming to do by far out of
everything. RuneScape I feel like is also not nearly as chill as wow because
it's so sweaty and it's so it's so like Tism shit like you go watch the RuneScape
triggers they're like six ticking their shit and five ticking their fishing and
it's like super click-intensive shit it's like dude and there's like none of
that and wow it's just it's uh it's just not like that at all yeah
I need a couple oats.
We may excuse you.
You hating, though, bro.
Get some bags, bro.
Boy, I do have bags.
I got piss bags, by the way.
Yeah, RuneScape's not it.
It's always trolling.
People compare, wow, RuneScape.
It's like, dude, I mean, it's just a different...
It's just a very different, different game.
I mean, it's like, what are we doing?
The only real comparison is talking
about that horizontal progression.
That's about it.
Why is Soap not beta testing?
I think Soap has been shooting a bunch.
This game won't have horizontal progression. No, they're trying to implement that. I don't know what that even means.
I have no idea how they plan to do the endgame stuff.
But I'm sure they've put a lot of thought into it on what they plan to do.
And I'm sure they're getting feedback from people and they've got Xar on it, right? Xar's talking to all the developers.
Xar's on first name basis to all of them. Probably has their phone numbers and shit too.
shit too, so we don't actually know. We'll see what Xar comes up with. RuneScape is 75%
vertical. I don't know how RuneScape is, I have no idea how RuneScape has maintained
relevance. Yeah, I haven't actually looked at anything in that game. I just, I just,
I think the RuneScape player base is just, they're, they're, they're like, such a diff,
like a different species of people. I guess they like watching a lot of
RuneScape content creators, but like the RuneScape content creators are actually
all psychotic individuals. I mean they literally they post videos like killing
killing this boss 5,000 times. Loot from killing the boss 6,000 times. I
I stayed in Lumbridge for three years straight,
leveling to 99.
I didn't leave Lumbridge for 10 years.
I've never moved.
And it's like, I tried mining coal all the way to 99.
And it's like, what?
And so those people take so long to make one video too.
And it's like, they're just not normal people.
They're just not.
They're there so the idea that like that is for everybody is crazy
very crazy
Was okra needed god damn it okra was needed for the quest I
Spent 8,000 hours for me this yeah, it's like so crazy
So I don't know where the horizontal progression comes in at all, or how they've maintained
all the same gear sets or anything.
Just happened to drill a string, yeah?
On the vibes.
forever in two years. Yeah we'll see what wow forever looks like as time goes on.
Blaze that's up. Why can't I loot this guys? What's going on here?
Just keep spamming it.
This quest turned it won't be used.
I wasted my Oprah.
Got it.
Wait, who drops Oprah?
Is it the Harvest Watchers?
Just from the get go, I've never understood anything before it's all to progression.
Yeah, I don't know either, I have no idea. I'm not even sure what that means.
It's like a New Age term in gaming.
It's got a little like, yeah, horizontal progression, vertical progression, diagonal progression.
It's like, yeah, yeah, something.
It's kind of horizontal like MC to VWO. Yeah, I have no idea how any of that works.
This hasteprock is so insane, by the way, this is the mode, oh, there's Ochre.
horizontal progression is where games go to die in the least less content.
Well, they, I think, Blizzard is going to put a lot of effort into trying to evolve this
game, right?
I think they've had some of their top minds on this for a long time.
I think they've seen kind of what's up with retail what's happening with classic and I think Blizzard had to make a move with all the classic expansions, right?
Like how they can't just keep re-releasing TVC and wrath and we can't go play vanilla again, right?
They've done it for since 2019 repeated that cycle seven years straight now
We've seen hardcore right hardcore is absolutely ran its course. We were playing fucking ultra hardcore
You know, that was one of the worst spaces of my life
You know when I was walking on this game, and I'm playing hardcore again, except I can't see my health bar or my action bar
So that was that was a very very bizarre time in the gaming world. That was really weird
Do you guys not remember that? I mean dude, there is no there is nothing left on those games. It is it's been done
It's been done
So it's like imagine imagine they didn't have anything and they actually said hey
We're gonna go to wrap again, and then we're gonna reset back to vanilla into TBC. It's like row like the wow franchise itself would be in big trouble
They'd be in huge they'd be in big trouble, and they didn't have any plans to retail. Yeah, no
This is not gonna fly. This is not gonna work again. This is this is bad
the gun doesn't be sandwiched bug right now
I killed level one. It's nice to play wow not lose all progress with concept patch.
yeah we'll see I have no idea what Blizzard's thinking. I'm excited to see
though. I'm really excited that there's a chance for new people to play the game.
I think the biggest problem with WoW too is that there's just not new players coming to the game
It's just like it's so hard to get new people into the game
And if there's no new people coming in that means people are just slowly dwindling away
And it's been in a state of dwindling away for very very long time
What is this?
I genuinely appreciate everything you do for the WoW Streaming community. Every night you go live, I notice my negative gene falls perfectly into place.
The same playlist for the past three years, the same vibes, and the same peak of experience. Absolute consistency.
Some people search their whole lives for peace. I just opened your streaming and heard the same song I heard 947 nights ago.
If the turtle haven't exist, I can only assume it sounds exactly like the playlist on Reef.
Guys, who are some of these insane yappers?
You know why I listen to the same?
Dude, every streamer listens to the same music.
Okay?
Or they don't listen to music.
Do you know how many streamers don't have music?
Go watch any of this for them.
No fucking music on.
They sit in dead silence all day long.
It's ridiculous.
It's insanity.
I always have music playing.
You've seen the flow since only 3 years old?
I don't know how some people are flow-
Zara hasn't turned on music on his stream in 10 years.
So do no music, nothing.
Can I get some Oprah? What the hell's going on here, man?
Got it, GG's.
Wait, I need another handful of oats.
Wait, I'm about to turn in every quest in Westfall, by the way.
Does Zarr go like music? Yeah, he posts music on his Instagram.
You guys notice how dry Instagram is now that Zarr can't work out with his neck injury?
Now he doesn't post any shirtless highlights or anything.
Ridiculous.
always put music on those highlights. What, neck injury? Zars had a bunch of neck pain
for a long time. You guys know that, right? That's why I like to sit here. I don't know
how he injured himself, but he basically can't work out. So this is basically time for me
to catch up in the fitness place. You know what I mean? It's kind of like... she only
told us recently? Yeah, I know. I guess she has vicious neck pain. I don't know. I'm not
sure I can compare pain or anything, but I don't think it's as serious as like my thyroid
issue or anything like that or some of the stuff I can't tell you guys about, but I mean,
something that he has to deal with. Bro, I need one bag of oats. I'm going to find it.
You have nothing wrong with you except a bitchitis.
Oh, that's actually not true. I've had a major thyroid issue.
Just carried wild content for too long. It hurts his neck. Okay.
I guess, okay. We're coming up in the wild space.
Evolving on... Wait.
Right there. Got it. That's mine.
I don't think we're going back to League of Leg.
I don't want to think about that.
We've got a long time on the beta left too.
Dude, that's why some of these guys that are, I'm like, how are these people even grinding
know their max level character this much still I guess I haven't checked out too
much what the other people are doing but I was like bro I'm ready to level
something else like
25,000 percent.
Short PTR, no way.
Everyone's talking about these books now?
So there's only a pair of...
Yeah, why are none of these guys playing multiple classes?
I feel like I'm one of the few people that's leveling a bunch of shit.
That's how sweaty these guys are.
I'm playing every...
How are you?
I'm actually testing it out, guys.
I'm in the field getting real information out here.
Thank you!
Jesus Christ, I got a vaccine.
Wait, let's see, hold on.
That's sweaty.
Bring it back, damn hoes.
What?
What?
What is going on here?
I'm taking three brain employers through SRK tonight.
Alright.
You guys have been suffering from pretentious status for years.
Gifted subs seem to ease the pain.
Wow, that's what we think of.
You know what it is?
It might be time for some food actually.
It could be Greek yogurt time.
It could be apple time.
I bought a new bag of apples too.
When's the next sub giveaway?
Should we set some giveaways perhaps?
Mouse food, Jim guys, I haven't been to the gym in a month. I gave up the gym
I gave up pretty much everything in my life to sit here and play Wow as long as possible every single day
It's been great, but I think my sleep is actually not that good
I'm like so drained after the stream that I can't even sleep properly
Bro, you look hella small, stop eating yogurt and apples.
Okay, this dude just said I look small, quit eating yogurt and fruit.
What are some of these people talking about, man?
That's an insane thing to say.
Let's get rid of this.
Let's get rid of this.
Hello?
How are you?
Yes sir.
Well we just completely terrorized Westfall. Use that streamer check and get a
private chef. Guys I don't know how much money it's making the private chef but
that's that's ridiculous. Maybe Zara's looking into a private chef. Soap on
twenty-four seven. You looked a little bigger than soap at the Lizcon.
What? Huh?
It's hard to get a neck upgrade IRL. Yeah, no, Zara's trolling.
Hey, wait up, you're really fast. What's going on with you?
Ooh, not so great gear. Yeah, these quests feel kind of invalidated after the dungeon loop.
Well met. Need help? Hello.
Hey there. Well met. Need help? Can I help you?
The dungeon loot is too bis.
Need help?
What's up with this guy, man?
Any John Blizzarders? Guys, John Blizzarders done so much for us, man.
Can I help you?
Oh, my friend.
Be careful.
P.G.F., one of your channel's heard your feelings when you did it? What?
I was like...
Yo, Stripes goes hard. What a tough ass name.
Guys, follow the stream, man. Seriously, it's something easy to channel, too. Thank you.
Okay, I need to eat a little bit of Chipotle, get some water, and get some Greek yoghurt.
That's some thinking. Greek yoghurt. I've got fresh fruit.
Your cat's named after our gas station?
There's no gas station called Stripes.
You are like Summit but on Adderall?
Well first of all, I'm not on Adderall, I'm an all-natural streamer by the way.
All-natural streamer.
Zero stimulants whatsoever.
I went to Starbucks, I got a small-sized cold brew.
No tip because it was in a grocery store, I wasn't an option.
Well met.
Greetings.
Where we did anything?
Be careful.
Let me dig here.
All natural and small, and no tip, or what is this, emote?
Guys, I'm not any peptide or anything, okay?
I'm an all-natural streamer, guys.
Imagine I do get on the saw, so...
We might be actually banging out 24 hours constantly.
We'd be hitting 24 hours streams twice a day, maybe.
What can I do for you?
Yeah, my gear's too nasty.
Alliance.
Two Nasty.
Yo, is it time for potentially some Runes of Lord Daeron?
It could be a potential Runes of Lord Daeron angle.
Wait, do I have a quest in Lakeshire? Oh, I do.
Runes of Lord Daeron?
For BIS?
You can't do 24 hours streams twice the day only has 24 hours. Not the way we're doing it. Not the way we're doing it
That's right every class. We just completely terrorize the zone, bro
Great work everybody
Oh, I realized I figured out where to put that quest. Hold on.
Actually, let's just dip, I think.
Is it time to go Runes of Lord Daron? Actually, I need a ride.
I have been to Stormwind multiple times and I never got the flight path.
How?
What is your name?
Safe travels.
How is that possible?
What can I do for you?
I can't fly to...
See you later.
I'm hurting to Aberdeen. I'm out of here. Named after my friend Jason W.
Foo down. That's actually faster anyways. Let's say I'm in Aberdee right now.
Dude, so we go Runes of Lord Daron and then we look into Wailing Caverns into DM.
And then do we decide if we need to get our hunter more this or no?
Can someone potentially explain it in a way where anyone can understand is
Hunter good in PvP
Does anyone know I
Guess what to find out what the test that theorem
Yeah, we'll test that theorem of what might say we meet okay another thing too
We have to farm whaling caverns for this there is one item that I will actually farm and that's the bow
From whaling caverns
Second to last boss technically third to last boss right Venom strike is
Beyond this
It's beyond this it's a it's a non-negotiable down for willing cowrens if you give me fang
guys I like I said on the current gear drops and the current status of the game I will be
trying to prioritize some kind of looting funnel to test out the gear to the
fullest effect so I can extract all power and see and then we can start to
distribute loot to the rest of the people on the team.
Kyozadios, invite all gearers yours. Why is there a business for level 20? Look at
some of these sweats, but look at Payo. Payo's on another 15 hour stream right now. These
guys are boo-koo sweats. They're boo-koo sweats, man. It's crazy, man. It's crazy, man. Maddy,
Give it up for you, son.
What class is next?
I don't know.
I was thinking Warlock.
I'm excited for Hunter, though.
I feel like Hunter has potential in World PvP.
Right?
I was like, what's good in 20 in PvP?
Something with range, something that does crazy damage.
Hunter checks all the boxes.
And we have stripes.
Wait, why does this guy have the same pen as me?
Hunter actually the best class of wow it very well could be
Zero tackles by the way, where's this going juice
Dude what did this guy just say he he no need to say that that word
Jesus
You're pretty strong when I was leveling it. Yep. No, I'm not on the wrong boat.
I want to be toxic and cheesy. What class should I pick when it launches?
Maybe a rogue? Potentially? Potentially a rogue? Perhaps.
BUDDY, just take the boat from there to Wetlands and South Shore. Why are you going SW?
Okay, I'm going to Stormwind to get the flight path and to get training for Hunter, and then I will relocate to Ruins of Lord Daron.
Is that cool? You guys eye with that? Is that eye? Or is it not?
There's no rookie patting. This is the fastest patting. You guys can eat this.
Bro, I can't even see in Tears Fall at night what is the darkness in this game.
Don't worry. I've been talking to my Blizzard developer friends and they say there is a fix coming soon for the darkness in the game.
Not to worry. Lots of people share that same concern. It's tough to see the game and I've got my people on it.
on it. Yeah. No, I'm not. Yeah, I'm not larvin. I'm not larvin as are. No, guys, I've got it.
I've got a team talking about it. Yep. No, guys, you know, we do have motion, actually.
No, no, actually we do have motion, guys.
Real talk.
Zarpin.
OK.
Let's get this one.
Stop what's up with this clown man Homer J?
Level 13. It's gonna start leveling
There's a little 19 with deviant fish
Ladies and gentlemen the vice face of wow vice face of wow I
Think it's good time guys. I'm leaking the incident to get the second I get in the city
Jerome is getting locked in. What's Jerome saying? Be thankful that someone like Peek-A-Boo
is watching out for us and getting the correct changes made to maximize the player experience.
Get on Dark Lord Peek-A-Boo right now. Before your name is Dark Lord Sid and Claire, did
you copy my name? Is everyone doing Dark Lord to their name now?
So the poppin should not have got MMO streamer of the year.
I mean yeah, the guy's a clown, right?
Am I getting some McDonald's? No. Uh-oh.
Go get Whaling Caverns, though. I will.
But we have to go to Rune's, we'll go to Daron first, hit all the quests there, boom.
Then we can decide is it Whaling Caverns, is it DM, what do we want, right?
Get the FP, I'm on the way to get training and flight path.
We go back to the boat, circle back, fill up the ruins of Lord Daeron, and go crazy.
That's it.
We did, we did, uh, Hall of Thames. That was a sick dungeon.
Oh my god, I guys I shit you not I just got a message
from John Blizzard and he gave me a couple keys and I'm also going to say
to I told you I had Blizzard developer friends and we've got we've got Blizzard
developers all around seriously I just got more keys you guys believe me now
You guys believe me now? Yeah. Yeah.
Immolation Trap, Raptor Strike 3, Maw Boost by Dash.
Multi-Shots level 18?
How OP is Hunter, though? Actually, this is out of control.
Beta is amazing. Keep it up. Thank you.
I have a gift for you there's someone super Asian singing a gift for me what's going on
Where is this guy?
Let's go to the Finaster.
Arcane shots scaling up AP is OP, does it?
on Rogue? Very good. Whoever has also started the propaganda that Rogue is not good is trolling.
Rogue is very powerful, especially at level 20. 49ers and that's up. It's one of the best
classes in the game actually, that said. How so? What do you mean how so? Pao said that Rogue is the
worst class. Guys listen whoa oh thank you very much thank you very much I'll go
plus five and join the boots very good very very nice guys why would payo say
rogue is the worst class in the game when he's played his rogue every single day
for 20 hours straight. If his class was bad, would he be doing that? No way. Three gold?
Thank you very much, my Asian friend. That is insane. He says, remember, you're better
are you wow that's a great statement right there that I mean it's true it is
true guys rogue is definitely insane at level 20 shorty
that's up anyone saying rogue is not insane 20 has to be trolling gotta be
trolling
I'm not getting any handys.
Streamers besides people who do this thing where they act like their class is bad so
it doesn't get nerfed don't fall for it.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Yes, I will bring back Sean, yes, at some point.
Yeah, there's no hand he's going on here, guys.
Wait, can I get...
How many quests are in Runes of Lord Daron for Alliance?
Is there any chance we get to level 18?
Probably, right?
Zorz says major is empowered. No, that's not what they're saying. They're saying they
They want to make the class a bit more fun at level 60, which is a bit weird that we're
thinking about raiding down the line.
Not too sure about that.
In games like this, streamers should be banned for getting carried like this.
Yeah, and in streams like this, people like you do not deserve to speak for the next 10
minutes, minimum, saying things like that.
Jesus.
What was I saying?
Yeah.
Yeah, I think I didn't say no by the support latest time for yoga is
Major underpowered at 20
What? No
That's also we have to stop this nonsense of my class is bad at level 20
The only people that could actually even remotely attempt to complain that their class is bad at 20 are warriors
There is no one else that can say anything about that warriors if you want to play a shit class at level 20
Go play a warrior and go see what it's like. Go try to world pvp on warrior. Let me know how it goes
Go watch show back play warrior
He's got multiple clips of him doing world pvp not a single clip is he is hacking a single person
All he's doing is running away and dying and being trampled by all the horn or the alliance
That's every clip of show back on warrior
No one's playing warrior at level 20 world pvp
That is because warriors are bad.
Warriors are bad at level 20 because they cannot charge in combat so they cant hit anyone.
Yeah people talking about level 20 balance is crazy.
Hey, we got Rex by a mage today. Yeah, mages are broken and they have a high... I mean, it's just crazy.
Oh, thank you. Thank you.
Ah.
They scale Boku though, I don't know.
We don't know, no charging combat is instant Gigi though.
favorite class of our hunter for leveling rogue for everything but rogue is also very
good at 20 I'm not sure why anyone is saying rogues are bad at 20 that's that's also really
troll because a lot of classes can't do very much at level 20 but rogue is good at 20 because
it does a lot of damage and you can kill someone with your evasion. That's it. Why are you talking
about 20 balance? I don't know. People are fried. Wait, do I sit on this boat again or no? Yeah,
the road kit works decently at 20. Go to the right? Okay. All right, let's let's set up
a group for Lordearon. Guys, I need anyone for Rune of Lordearon. Can you message me
or level 2? I'd like to make this a competitive run. We need some low levels in here. We need
to see our levels here. We got 16. We're all 16s right now. Triple 16s. Level, we've got
to get at least 16 guys. 16 priests. Let's see. Hey, we can hit Wraithing Cabin. We
You should have formed for shit.
Rets the best at 20?
I don't know if Rets actually the best.
Rets good though.
Should we get another warrior?
Wait, we need a tank.
Let's get this guy a big punch.
Let's do it.
What's the best at 30?
We don't know.
There's actually no way to tell.
Like, level 20 PDP is pretty trolled.
Everyone kind of has one button and you can't really do much and CC is pretty insane.
So you just shouldn't take it too serious.
And then if you're trying to actually duel people in this game, you need to have your
pool bounce.
It's very hard to play without pool bounce.
Let's see how this goes.
I'm going crazy on him, I miss.
Hey, I got him!
Jesus!
With all that lag too, huh? Kidney?
He copied my strat. You see how I meld first to try to start attacking him?
King's Diff, he's saying.
Oh my god, look at this guy's gear. He's completely bis too. He's fully bis.
Let me just grill his ass like that. That was easy work.
guys we need to get to lord there on I'll wait for you guys at South Shore
this LL I have no gear what town speed the towns right here five crit and two
into this. I think this is the best build in the game. I think so. It's very up
there for potentially being the best build in the game. Very on there. Get the
wolf pet? I don't know about that.
Go one lower. 100% attack on our intellect. See, I think this is a bit lower
value here. I can't quite see the value in that. We have very little
intellect. How'd you come up with this build? Extensive
geographic. I'll stop and assume all my Hunter friends, the Hunter devs, seeing what they
think and we kind of came up with the plan that this was the most optimal build for going
into Runes of Lordeeron. Yeah, so I'm doing lethal attacks here into, yeah, deadly aspects.
Agility versus stamina. I mean, guys, I'm going to give a quick tip here. One of the best
stats you can get in PvP in this game is stamina.
Wait, should we switch boats right now?
Do you go to the Ruins of Lordara?
Yeah, basically every class you're playing, you want to have as much stamina as possible.
The damage stats don't do very much as raw HP, right?
Long you stay alive the more damage you can deal
Do we stay on this boat or no
That is a pro tip
And it's intact I seriously not everyone knows I'm gonna get something
Whisper so the ops can't hear you yet the ops are they're listening
They're lurking they're looking and searching they're wondering what's going on
Deadly aspects got to go.
What?
What do you mean?
Got some codes cheapo.
What?
Guys, I'm dropping actual tech for you guys.
I mean, who else are you guys going to listen to besides me for this peek and key information?
The mages that say their class is bad?
The payo who says this class is bad?
So, let's see here.
I'm the only non-buyer streamer that's right.
We'll have to make a road podcast soon.
Recess NS7.
Raise how you dropped the trade secrets for free.
Thank you.
How you liking the beta?
I made up. I'm loving it.
P.G. Boyz is the best music playlist in the WoW section.
Another enjoyer of the music. It's a little crazy how that works.
Play some K-pop. Okay.
This one's blown up man.
That's fine.
the day we made it people are guilt
quitting over this huh I'll get one key
if you turn it off
Jesus, guys, my bad
My bad
Get scammed!
Huh?
Guys, I mean this is fully numb
Hmm.
Gimbalozo.
Dude, the tortillas at your point are so gas.
You could just not get a burrito,
just get a bowl and then you,
one bite of the bowl, one bite of the tortillo.
I don't want to be a bad person.
I don't want to be a bad person.
I don't want to be a bad person.
Ambiers the goat thank you. I was at 20 subs
Now we're really fucking back we're back on classic Wow back on classic forever Wow forever ripping
To pull a I'm looking skinny
No women it's perfect
I'll be there in a sec guys.
Hey Pika just wanted to say thanks for being a great male entertainer.
or excuse me to come back to the game.
Our team's almost here, guys.
Okay.
No, they're whispering me that.
It's time to get that yogurt.
Let's get that yogurt.
Let's secure some games.
Let's get after it.
Has Chipotle changed the game again by bringing out some fire?
I mean, this is great.
Yo, gooey, and that's up.
Guys, look at that.
Two cups Greek yogurt, one goes triple zero, wild berry flavor, honey flavored granola,
blueberries, banana.
Fuck, dude, last night we streamed so long, I've been letting my dishes pile up, I have
my other bowl of yogurt here from yesterday, and my chicken and eggs.
Fuck.
I've let my dishes pile up.
I had to do them tonight.
God damn it.
You know one thing that's crazy is that the dishes never stop, ever, it's fucking crazy.
There's always more, there's always dishes.
Fluky, did I sub?
over. Ridiculous. Ridiculous. Big back. Guys, I'm eating zero fat meals they're calling
me Big Back. Sardaco, what's good? Okay, it's a quick life hack. Keep your spoons in the
Fridge and then you get a cold spoon, man
Open wide fatty
It's just gained secured
Guys, I'm properly fueling my body for these 12, 15-hour streams I'm banging out daily.
Look at the other streamers, look at PAO.
This one of that clip of what PAO is eating?
These streamers are eating straight sloth.
I'm sitting here having high-quality fuel.
That's why we're bringing top-quality entertainment.
We're doing shit differently here.
They made soft music cleaner, Gus.
Gus.
Have we all not seen Payo's keyboard, by the way?
Look at my shit.
Clean, clean, minimal grime right there, you see that Z key, that stop attack, you see
that F key, that's my ward, that G key, that's ping, A and D, that's how I kite, I mean right,
One and two, sister, it is.
Guys, it's my mom's keyboard.
Yeah, it's my mom's keyboard.
She gave me the keyboard.
Am I gonna buy another keyboard?
Yeah, maybe if we set up a subboard or some shit,
we could try getting another keyboard.
My mom gave me this keyboard years ago.
Integrals, there's some.
Yes, I am splashed by the NFL.
I will point at the Denver Broncos.
Yeah, Jaylen Waddle, yeah that's my guy.
I was there, yeah.
No wide receiver, that's what I played.
Backup, I'm back up wide receiver at Jaylen Waddle.
Yeah, I told you guys, when the NFL was trying to find people to do their sponsor, they had
to find the most athletic guy in the WoW section. They picked us, right? Wait, how's everyone
phased over? Guys, I'm leaking. Let me hit a quick re-log. Quick re-log. Was Zara busy?
Guys, Zara's not professional athlete capable. He's 5'6". You can't show me a single professional
athlete in any sport that's 5'6". They don't exist.
Guys quit making up names man. Lock it guys, I'm part of the NFL.
Whether you like it or not, it's been done. It's happened.
This is it guys. We're getting towards the end game
of one of the best classes in the game, Hunter.
Let's roll.
Squaw, roll out.
Rise against this fire.
One of the greatest MMA fighters ever is 5-3.
That's not true.
Guys, yo.
Wait, why are we on an empty lair? Where the hell's the team at?
Is there no one playing the game anymore or something?
Is this shit dead?
Cpt run man
You guys good yo quit quit attacking quit attacking just run stop hit just run
No
Jesus Christ, it's a death trap. What where is everybody just don't don't hit don't hit don't hit
Just just eat it just take it take it for a bit
Jesus Christ what the hell is going on here?
It's ridiculous. Normally when I'm running through here, we have 50 people with us.
The game might be dead. This is like hardcore. There's gonna be a nightmare on here.
You know, one thing that's different in WoW forever is I feel like they nerf the aggro range.
Right? Like in classic WoW, you're pulling that every day of the week.
100% like there's no chance. They definitely changed that. Has anyone
even complained about that? I don't mind it, but that was definitely part of
it.
Summit just complained about it, kills him out, get three soaps, thank you, HC on low
key dead there, oh it ain't low key, it's high key, dude we would never run through that
shit are you kidding me, you think we would run that on hardcore with six mobs killing
I guess you're in a guild, so I can't invite you.
Not surprised I've been on some dead layers, can't really test much with 20 cap.
Bro, there's tons of layers, man.
Left to sing.
Toad of a le-de-de.
Every Larry and West Hall in the same?
Most athletics streamer they ever should.
They need to raise the cap.
In time.
In time.
Man, what a 6-0 in old Dalaran ruins.
Did you guys know that as WoW progressed, this place actually became one of the main
central cities of future expansions?
Yeah.
And not only that, there was multiple versions of this city floating in the sky, yeah, and
multiple timelines. Watch out for this. Watch out. Yes, look at this aggro range. This is
an eight level mob up. It's no spoilers guys. I'm just kind of breaking it down.
how good is the route the route of Lordearon though look at that water damn
it looks like real life
if you macro every single range of ability with auto shot you'll cast a ghost
auto shot like the punnings board not exactly not exactly but that's all right
Can we get quests? Yes, of course we need quests. Wait, have you not done this before? Solo white meme?
Is this first time Runes of Lordeer on run?
Jesus, our tank hasn't done this before. What?
How's that possible?
I'll have to take it slow then.
Are you actually 6'2", 6'3", in my specific running shoes, yes.
Employee tank?
Yo, honestly, now the employed jokes and the dad jokes make a lot more sense, because
a lot of you guys said you're mid-thirties, no.
I had to mute the general chat, because, yeah, a lot of, a lot of, there's no, um, like chat
tricks is going on in the game. Look at that water tech. Jesus man. I'm unemployed dad.
I mean there's different ranks in the game right. Like a lot of the classic players are
unemployed people right. The super sweats right. The payos right. The S fans right.
The Zars people like that. Sitting there sweating out. Grinding out the gear. 20 hour streams.
And then me, I'm part of the employed ranks, right?
I'm not doing all the crazy super sweaty stuff.
I'm working every single day, 10 hours-ish,
maybe sometimes give or take a little more,
a little less, the lunch breaks.
So we're kind of on different layers, right?
We're competing in different leagues, so.
Guys, I, yeah.
Guys, I'm gonna go rogue. Rogue first, obviously. Rogue is an Omega-biss. It's stupid-biss. It's dummy-biss.
Who's about to log six hours on a weekday? I'm just getting started. The flabs get warmed up.
First of all, six hours is actually a good amount of streaming too, especially doing seven days a week.
Six times seven is like 45 hours a week.
It's pretty good. Watch out.
We got to lock in here. What is this guy's name? Don't shoot.
Lock in, lock in, lock in. Where's our team, man? Brampton's going right side?
Back here stripes.
He'll up.
I'm not sure because Zico could stream 20 hours.
Yeah, I don't know how those guys are doing it.
I'm not sure.
But I always say everything in life is a marathon, not a sprint.
except if you're actually a sprinter.
So it's OK if some people can get us a couple more hours than us today.
What about the next day?
And the next day?
And the next day?
And the day after that?
And the day after that?
And then the day after that?
And then after that, right?
So eventually, we will surpass their hours at some point.
No, I don't keep falling behind.
Whoa.
Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo.
Yo, play it slow, play it slow, play it slow.
Fight these clowns, fight these clowns.
I'm giving this guy the straight hunter treatment.
Level 20 warrior getting clapped, by the way.
You see this?
Hunter's the best class in the game.
I don't wanna hear it.
It is, it is.
Hey, hey, sit your ass down.
I'm killing all of them.
Any healers, any healers.
I just did 67,000 damage in that fight and we killed almost all of them.
I don't want to put the blame on anyone, but what was our healer doing?
Where was Grampton in that whole exchange?
That was ridiculous.
Okay, that was one of my first PvP experiences.
Hunter is insane.
The main issue we had was a positional error.
We were getting hit from the back, from the sides, and from the front.
Now I need to see exactly who's targeting me so I can actually stay at range.
That was not good.
Let's run back.
Luckily Night Elf runs back extremely fast.
Also if I dumbed the mid-fight, that would have been huge.
That would have been very huge.
Dude, low-key, this is OP, look how fast you run as Night Elf.
And they actually added a facial expression to the wisp.
That's a blood elf.
That's new as well.
Okay.
Brampton hates us, or he doesn't give a shit about us, that's okay.
New strat.
I don't want to say every man for himself to run inside, but let's try to run in his group.
Let's all rest together at the same time and walk together, or run together inside.
Okay?
Is that true?
To these mock trouble mud
In the Santa time
Oh man, it's gonna be tight getting in guys. It's gonna be very tight guys. I'm not gonna lie to every man for yourself. Good luck
No, no, please!
God, you got him.
Oh my God.
Oh man, these guys are about to make me log on my main.
I'm about to log on my main and come back here.
Yeah, this is getting a little out of control here, I'm about to get on my main.
Oh my god.
It's impossible.
It's impossible.
I can't.
Jesus Christ.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
CBT spawns in at least 18 times.
Yo CBT didn't even get close bro.
Yo this is bad, this is bad.
We have to get in here.
Guys, how about this.
If you're a horde stop killing us for a second.
Archiever just said I followed some guys and now I'm stuck inside the dungeon but I'm not
actually in the dungeon.
Bro, try to walk to the front. Are you trolling? What?
Huh?
I can see the entrance.
Tell me our guys that stuff. There's like an invisible wall.
Can you try to kill yourself in game?
Potentially?
try to try to just try to die in the respawn worst case
The hero has to die to the hoarding corpse walk. See yeah, you have to die in game
Because that's that's the only way
I can get in here
I get it. Look at these clowns at A.R.E. Spamming. All these boo-koo sweats.
I'm alive!
Oh my god, I made it!
How the hell did I get in there?
Every single player on Horde could not kill me.
I took on the entire server.
That was with 50, 60 guys at once, and I lived, and I got in.
So everyone should get in here.
Let's check this quest out.
What's he got for me?
Wow.
Wow.
What do we want?
What do we want here?
Is it the slain baron signet?
Is this the way to go?
Bum-ba-da-da, bum-ba-da-da, cloak ring sword.
I actually don't know.
There's nine stamina on this sword, which is huge,
but also five stamina on that ring.
You want the ring speaking as a hunter?
Is that our angle?
Two, nine, two, da-da-da-da, ba-da-da-da, da-da-da.
You don't get hit as a hunter untrue rings are harder to get. I'm thinking ring
I'm thinking ring forever changes. What is this? What the hell is this?
this. Forever changes this hunter. There's a business for hunter. What is this? Dude,
how did these new websites just emerge and everyone randomly decided to start using these?
1600 murlocs online brawlers hood is bis
Aero-dites amulet is bis impaling harpoon is bis Cape of the Brotherhood
serpent shoulder two to go Westfall
stag hide
minor recapobulator
sustaining ring malignant root
Fang duty-bound deviant scale gloves a full fang
Venom strike
Wow.
Wow.
Wow.
literal this list is crazy
did i feel like as a hunter in pvp we need stamina
Check my Rogue's Bist, guys, I don't believe in Bistless personally.
Okay.
It makes, it's no biggie.
It's no biggie.
I'm telling you.
Look at Big Fudge, man.
This guy's locked in.
Guess all three.
Hi, people, I got a quest I can share that offers 10 KXP.
No exploits for me my friend. Nice CVT way to make it in.
We need to find the crest on the wall. Yes we do.
Let's look for that crest.
Yo, Justin, they have that $5 donation, I appreciate that, man.
All right, guys, here we go, Runes of Lord Daeron.
It's time to go book.
Respet.
There's a lot of strikes.
It's just fine.
Don't worry.
What's your main star you do to the channel?
Normally, I do mainly play a rogue, but I'm testing out some other classes in this beta.
Do we have any buffs we can utilize here, potentially?
I can't enter.
Brampton!
You gotta res out in front, then walk in.
This guy's tro-
Brampton, you can't get the d-
dead again?
I did?
Well, you can't like walk into the dungeon,
you know what I'm saying?
While you're dead, you gotta res then try to run in.
It should work.
This happened to one of my party members? I think they're resing wrong.
It is kind of buggy, right? That's okay, just one more run back, Grampy. You got it.
Yo, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! Who's pulling, bro?
Ding, by the way!
Got the aspects 3.
Guys, let's wait, let's wait, Jesus guys, quit, quit ADD-ing, plenty of time.
Somebody told me I killed you and you still got in.
did not kill me. I did not die. Idiot. I'm not buffed! Wait, is there any other buffs
I need an aspect of the hawk then what not buffed IRL either guys how much
What's the damage we about to do? Wait, it's rope? Broken or something?
Milkman, you know what's up? Nelfrasial is usable in combat. It goes on a two-minute cooldown.
It's not that great, but it does... it's okay.
You're pet applies MS. No, my pet just does big damage. It's 12 for granted, man. He's
on the east coast. Nico, with him there, Rhyssa. He worked 299 subs today, Jesus. Hey, this
runes of Lord Daeron is a successful run. We can maybe give out some beta keys. I love
As I said for the late night real ones
Hmm
On average how much gold so I so would you have on each you by the will tend to a little
Me personally
I'll have about 5 ish gold by level 10
I've got 11 right now, so I'm averaging 5 gold 10 levels
Tell us what's up. What a KC?
Welcome Brandon.
Mm-hmm.
We go guys every day.
Terry, is that viable?
Are you kidding me?
All right, let's get it.
Alright guys, let's go for a full clear run.
That peekaboo dam, by the way. Jesus.
That peekaboo dam, it's no joke.
It's hunter a little ridiculous. Is it a little over tuned? I mean, we know it's not quite
mage level over too but look at those crits those crits
it's not quite mage level over too but it's like is it is it a little nuts
I can't believe you guys told me the haste was bad I swear like I don't know why I listen
to your guys builds how come more people don't just listen what I have to say about the game
Some people just be like, yeah, you know what?
I think this guy knows what he's talking about.
Yeah, I think this guy's got this figured out.
Yeah, I think this guy does this for a living.
I think he's on to something here.
Nope.
That never crossed anyone's mind.
Wait till I actually start acquiring.
Miss, too.
Jesus, guys, hide back, hide back.
Drinking.
Mm-mm-mm.
Should I try to get a little melee weaving going in or what?
For the culture?
That's a good melee right there.
That was crispy.
that one.
Yep, Haste Brock again by the way.
Look at my, this hasteprock is so much better than 25 attack power!
What are you guys talking about, man?
I'm doing a disgusting amount of down drop.
I'm high APM-fars of this shit.
You guys see this?
I'm getting crazy.
This is high APM shit.
I'm running.
I'm putting up surf and stink.
I'm dropping emulation traps.
I'm hitting A.B.
I'm melding to get distance. Jesus, man.
Oh!
I will take those, ladies and gentlemen.
That is bis for Hunter.
Very bis.
We know. It's got a Jody. It's got intellect.
It's a Hunter item.
I'm taking it right now. I'm putting it on.
Beautiful.
Yep, that's got to be better than what I have.
Got to be.
Yep, that is this the game
Perposition with the gun to
Missing zero auto shots
Beautiful
We're skipping backs BRB, where you going?
Bro is loot goblin-ing in beta?
Sun's crying.
What? Time to lock in.
His son is crying. He's got a way of K.
Okay.
Playing with literal dads, dad gamer.
See guys, that's nothing. This game is made for dad gamers too. It's crazy.
Duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh.
Da-da-da-da-da.
I tune in and immediately witness a classic experience.
This is crazy.
I mean, we can take it.
If Big Fudge wants to take the reins here, we can pull it back.
I'm down to give it a little active here.
Yes, he just goes.
This.
Look at that Hunter damage bro.
The emulation trap does 80 damage. That's not bad.
Look at that. Another ace park, by the way.
Bobby instantly dies.
Forty-five DPS. Oh, we're back. We're back. We're back.
Where to now? Let's keep clearing the left side.
Yo, what about the shield on the wall? Should we look for that or no?
I'm going to kill you.
Silence.
Oh
Hunters man
I
Case proc
It spawns at different points.
The shield does spawn at different points.
I just don't know where it's going to be.
I thought it was near the start.
That's so crazy.
Oh, I got it. Bloodhound is taking him.
That's big. Ooh, duty bound!
Yeah, I guess the auto-controller.
Dude my damage is just crazy.
Jesus.
Oh, sick enough, huh?
We'll just run around the outside and see where we end up.
Quest here on crumpled paper.
Whoa! Godly, Godly, Godly, shit!
That's dark.
Dude, is using traps in combat SIF?
I feel like that's SIF.
Yeah
Just make sure to look these insignias man
We're gonna have to find that shield though that shield is such a big XP
But it's not actually the end of the world we get the shield and on
What's one of regardless?
Oh, I can't see shit. Yeah, it's a little tough in here, right?
There's a lot of bombs in here.
This place is getting a little sketchy, huh?
Well, I'm booming, they're just on me.
I can't do anything here, I'm out of mana.
Farquad, that's him.
We gotta do the fire here in a second.
We'll find the fire.
Okay.
Dude, Hunter goes crazy.
Dude, Hunter goes crazy.
Damn.
Scribe the lebracers, huh?
A ball, do you like some?
I think the fire pit's like right here, right?
We'll clue this area and then hit the fire pit.
Why gunner for bow?
This is the best weapon I can get right now.
Ink.
Ink coming guys.
Ink coming.
It's gauntlet.
Holy shit, holy shit lock in guys lock in
Try to drink, try to drink, instantly.
I
Think serve man here big fudge don't I bet it you guys bet it just strikes is taking one, too
Holy shit.
Dude this gauntlet is actually crazy is it not?
I think this gauntlet is actually over tuned.
I won't be honest like that. There's no way
Right this one's actually pretty tough the mobs don't stop and it gives you like a zero second grace period of trying to drink
I'm like they got the towel back back. I'm not gonna lie. It's still going by the way
come on
Overtune?
Probably.
That's low key.
Overtune, is it not?
Look how tough that gauntlet is.
We're going boog on him.
I'm sweating out here.
Victor, guys, there he is, there he is.
Bruh, fire walkers!
What is that?
Warrior bis?
Where's our bis?
Nothing?
Am I going crazy on him like that?
It's a little crazy, you know?
That's a little ridiculous.
Wow.
You guys, great work.
Way to lock in there.
That shit is dicey, dicey, dicey, dicey.
We're cranking, baby.
Fuck that's up.
I wonder what the best way to actually clear this dungeon is or if going in a big circle
was like that.
Guys, I thought that quest is for the boss or something.
I mean, we'll get there in time.
Let's just keep going around in a circle, let's just see how it looks.
Alright, we'll just keep hitting circle and we'll make our way back.
Well, why don't I auto cancel it?
You see that?
Auto cancel again.
What is that?
I almost had a base water man.
BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM.
My autos cancel again there?
Oh, we're almost there, be short.
We're getting close.
Big damage here, cool guns are up.
10% crit.
Big damage here.
Haste proc with the crit up Jesus. 60 DPS by the way.
It's be sure
mm-hmm
Going crazy here at haste proc.
Maximum damage.
I'm elder there too, mid fight, dropping threat.
Kite back.
Kite inside.
Ace proc again.
Wow, I can't use that?
Probably got some...how insane would this be on Hunter?
Wait, what's back here? I haven't even seen this.
I've literally never been in this corner of a dungeon, I don't think.
Let's check this out.
No crest.
Let's take a look.
Nothing's back here.
I think the crest is probably back at the start.
We'll check back at the start.
Get there soon.
to spend. Can I just go to the top of the tower? Really? I don't see once we get there.
Anything back here? Nope, no hidden loot.
I can't smile over there with so troll
Chris it looks good
Big pack here holy this is a big pack it's like it's patrol or something
I'm going to drink up, wow handsome and good music taste, thank you very much, Jesus, engineer
good for hunter, very good.
What a nasty pull for us right there.
I guess a lot a little bit there.
Wow.
Dude, I swear every class I play is so satisfying in PvE, it's crazy.
Like Rogue feels not the most fun compared to Shaman Hunter, it's like I'm enjoying
them both more. Dill looks good. But we get multi-shot of AT-2. That's an insane AOE.
I mean, everything's gonna get better.
Played Druid or not is not bad.
I mean, Druid is the touristy of not being good levelers, like under 20.
And then they skyrocket.
I don't think anything needs to be changed. Everything feels completely fine. It feels
literally just like classic. Am I crazy? Does the game not feel just like classic?
I've seen 60 DPS.
Damn!
Whoa, that's up?
Hunter DPS is insane.
It's very crazy.
It feels just like classic, I mean, yeah, that's why people are saying, like, oh, this
class seems a little bad.
This is a little, it's like, dude, it feels just like how classic did that.
That's the point.
It's like, maybe as we level up, we'll notice some differences that they changed.
But I mean, how much of a difference can you make in the first 20 levels?
Right?
Except for Pallies, yeah. Pallies looking pretty insane.
Which way is full?
Da-da-da-da-da.
Da-da-da-da-da.
Leeroy thought something.
I swear we just went in a full circle but we missed bosses.
How the hell is that possible?
Time to go back to the start.
Let me get them here, let's see.
Being able to maungu spike and raptor strike someone is insane.
Oh, gollum here, gollum here.
three
three
So fast
And I built a 10% curatial deathly it makes a substantial difference
How to pop that show right now actually
Best case scenario you can pop the curatial before you use your spells and then you have like your ace Bronco
But I think it's worth just pressing it on cooldown
I'm doing 60 DPS bro, like this is crazy, this is a lot of DPS, right, I mean we're hitting
a shit, look how many buttons Hunter's hitting, Mongoose, I got Naze, I got Raptor Strike,
Emulation Trap, Pets, Pet Macro, Auto Shots, Arcane Shot, I'm going crazy here man, Hunter's
got crazy buttons.
Why not work on that?
Damn.
Wow, Scepter the Abandoned. Are you kidding me?
Yeah, wait till I get multi-shot. Multi-shot is going to be insane.
Okay, I guess we're just another boss?
Ways it up here?
We're looking for the crest, I think.
Right here.
Got it, baby!
There's the crest!
Donal, what's good?
Okay, where's the last boss?
CBT knows the way we'll follow CBT he knows what's going on wait how did you know the
crest was at that tower you kidding me CBT is his initials yeah sure it's gonna
My pet did not pull there.
Look at the hunter damage though.
Jesus.
Catch your spectre, my spectre.
5% crit, 3% in this.
I think that's the most damage you can do on hunter.
Cause the crit chance is insane
and then the haste proc is huge.
I think the haste is just so much more damage, like I don't have any intellect, 31 intellect
That's five points.
Maybe if five points it could be a little better, but even then 31 attack power?
The Baron!
Nice.
Beautiful parrys down.
Hey Sprock
Look at that I'm saying the haystrock is doing 60 PS
What is this clock here man know this
Where is all the this that man
All right, I'll greet it
I'll greet it no loop. Oh head of the Baron guys. Move the head with the head
This talent right here is deadly aspects where you have an aspect of the Hawk active what you always should it's your damage buff
Your auto attacks have a chance to give you 30% increased range attack speed
So this thing is insane
Yeah, I mean you look at the DPS of you right you see this I knew more than the whole group combined almost
We don't have to sim it, yeah, maybe we can run a sim on what's better.
Whoa, guys.
Got my creep up up right now.
Who's down by the way, ace buff.
off and I don't grip off dropping 60 on their heads right now.
What's crazy is I can't imagine world pvp on a hunter like right you're sitting max range
terrorizing everyone.
It's crazy and they say Hunter's bad I don't know who's saying Hunter's bad I don't know.
Alright, let's turn everything in.
As someone that will, the Warrior Hunter is brutal, Hunter is insane.
Warriors the worst class in World 3B.
Guys, we're at 313, so it's been at 31,300%.
Jesus, man.
Yo, if we turn this shit in and level, should we try hit wailing caverns for the BIST bow?
I think we need to start the BIST farm of the bow. That bow is actually, it's a non-negotiable. It's a must-have.
It's an unbelievable must-have. If we hit 18 off these Westerns, we are going to be so strong with multishot.
Our damage is going to be illegal. It's going to be like double, maybe. Who knows?
Maybe even triple.
Maybe even 4x.
I got the gun from Hall of Thames.
Wait, so if you're a horde, what do you do for range weapon?
Do you not get this gun?
Ooh, I think here...
This is definitely...
More damage, but I think I should just go with the rain for the stamina.
five stamina ring it's good
fan of is all the quests in SW wait are all the turn into stormwind
Reno that's up RFC
I'm gonna turn it we go turn in storming we dig we hit 18 we go way the
caverns that's it. GG's.
People are saying you're gonna wipe the group or I'll have full faith in you. We just had a little trouble getting it in first.
But once they figured it out, we were good.
Why am I an Aubergine by the way?
So just chill.
I
Malignant Root get this ring. What is this OP ring by the way?
Why the quest level 22 I think they're scaled a lot
Heavy copper mall to monstrous clear. Yeah, that shit's insane. We need some weapons kill
How's the pet damage?
Large.
High.
Very good.
Powerful.
Hunter Cranksman.
Where do you get the best pet?
I don't know.
I'm rocking the cat.
Where do you get the fist pat?
I'm rocking the cat.
Put the smack down.
Oh.
And this and this.
Chill.
You can table pet two levels higher than use a hunter.
Yeah, can you train it though?
Like, I gotta figure out what pet to get.
My 100 pet just lost his claw for mobility.
Yeah, like the shit kinda bugs out.
Like, is this like 54 training points?
Oh, I should have the pet trainer.
Well, I don't know if I can train my pet to do anything good.
Wait, so I'm actually missing a good amount of damage
because I don't have a higher level pet.
That's rank three everything.
Coral, banded, banded, wait, that's Biss.
Skyward Pets are bugged.
Get the Mortal Strike Croc. Is the Mortal Strike Croc that good?
How many classes even have that much self-fueling?
I'd like the Croc would be good versus like a Druid.
But I don't know.
but i don't know
i don't even know if the spider pet's very good
what do you think of lone wolf?
that's pretty bad
I don't know what class to play, everything looks fire, every class is fire bro
that's why I'm, this is my fourth character I've leveled, I'm like, I actually don't know what I'm going to play
I'm pretty sure I'm in a main road
but I would like to have some of these ults
Yeah, Lone Wolf is bad.
Trap high, I'm not.
Why is Lone Wolf a thing?
I don't know, has some Hunter grinding?
Lone Wolf is good for raiding.
Because in raid, like, Hunter's pets are always dead anyways.
So this allows you to do something without having a pet.
Take this, and uh...
The serpent that shoots lightning, I don't know, I don't know the best best.
Yeah, maybe low low for burst lightning.
Right now Hunter just seems insane.
Hunter, Hunter is on a different planet right now.
Jesus.
I never raided classic, healers be letting the pets die?
Well honestly it was kind of impossible to heal the pets because there was like 40 raid
frames.
But the problem is like your pet would literally be instantly killed by like a boss's AoE.
It was unhealable anyways, like instantly one shot.
Like they didn't really factor in pets when they were making raids.
I might get 20 books in the ring, I don't know, it seems kind of sweaty.
People are sweating out hard on gear, man.
And I'm just down here like leveling, testing shit, feeling things out.
Hello, how are you?
Tankpacks peaking, by the way.
Safe travels.
Zara's better.
Who is this clown?
What?
There we go, depth aspects again.
This and this and a multi-shot by the way and this.
Chill.
Class squares attracts 20 min maxers.
I mean yeah this is just the beta.
I think once the game opens up like a lot of this stuff will be, the game will be flooded
with a lot more people instead of just the Omega sweats.
Wait, what, it's got something? Wait.
CBT, how did you get stuck there?
What just happened?
Yeah, if I know what you want.
Aim shots, share seed or multi-shot?
Yeah, I don't know if aim shots are even worth pressing, I have no idea.
Dead Minds guy should we go for Dead Minds or Wailing Caverns? I kind of want to see Wailing Caverns for the Omega Biss.
For the Stupid Biss right? Wait where is this quest turned in?
Where the hell am I?
Oh, this my whole life.
Me up at night?
How do I get here?
Wait, is this in the keep?
Oh my God, are you serious?
Okay, let me get training then.
Ooh, aspect of the hot 2.
Surfing sting and multi-shot. Jesus.
That's a huge, huge rank up.
Multi-shot. Oh my god.
That's disgusting. Fire several missiles hitting three targets. Whoa. Giga Winfury, two golds
drop. Thank you very much, huh? Okay. Okay. Wow.
Boom, boom, boom, peep the stamina, the bros got 1900 HP, is that balanced?
See guys it's all stamina game, how do you beat someone with 1900 HP?
God damn it, I just skipped the pet trainer, are you kidding me, I'll run back to that
I'm just going to try to understand this one. It's not that far.
It's hardcore going to be easier with all this crazy gear.
Hardcore looks like there's some aspects of it they're gonna make easier but other aspects where it will be harder
Like they've changed the aggro range. It looks like there's more gear
But like they've also heavily nerfed how good certain specs are like mage
But I thought mage was saving all these people in hardcore if shit was going wrong, but they've heavily nerfed that now
They've affected mage slows
So they can't keep things slow nearly as long or as slow and that's a big deal
I almost just dug off that.
Yeah, the dungeon quests I think are getting too much XP and the dungeon mobs get too little
XP so they're gonna try to probably strike a balance between that.
This shit needs to come out already.
I want to play, bro.
I know what it's come out to.
We need this to come out.
Never had this switch going on in beta, especially in a wild beta.
I'm hearing lots of great things about the beta.
Yeah, some people are saying that Dungeon XP is so low they don't want to run it with
their friends or something.
I don't know.
Maybe they'll adjust the XP a little bit.
I guess we technically have no idea what Blizzard is even thinking needs to be changed or what's going on.
I mean the beta's still pretty new, right?
I can't learn anything from my pet, that's it, he's capped out.
Best friends.
I like that.
We're going to STD or Asheville.
What's the best way?
Running STD.
Oh yeah, that's why running through Struggleform wasn't as bad because they nerfed the aggro
range of mobs.
Maybe that's bugged.
I mean, I don't mind that they reduced the aggro range, but for hardcore that definitely
changes things a lot where it's not nearly as dangerous running through
Underlevel areas.
There you go.
It's only for the data so people can explore.
Oh, wow, that can make sense. Is that even true, though?
Game looks crazy at night. Yeah, it's a little dark.
Winning caverns since like three hours? No, no, no, no.
We what we just got to get there getting there's the hard part I think oh
My god duty bound leggings this dang by the way 19
I'm almost end game man
Am I going to duel in the S-Fan Tourney?
I have no idea what's up with that Tourney.
That would be sick to play in.
That would just be sick to watch.
I guess we'll see what the rules are, what they say, who knows.
I like to watch those tournaments.
I would like to play in them if it didn't require so much, like, annoying shit to try
to get all the items.
I got it because I just, I don't know, I'm not that into that stuff.
I like the dueling though, and I like seeing other people do it and watching.
I'm going Westfall and I'm running there, am I trolling?
People are buying gold for it. No, they're not
I'm around through STD
You can paint skills on accident
Whoa, which I didn't realize that
That's a that's kind of weird
I don't think anyone's actually buying gold, I think that's a meme.
I'm pretty sure that's a meme, right?
Alright, we're going to Dustwood.
Dustwood's straddling forward to Wailing Caverns.
Time is money. I got a job. I can't just grind it. Bro, you're breaking TOS. You can't be doing that.
Want to turn to the dust-wood quest for the neck? Low key. Should we just hit it? We're here.
Tarnished lock at five stamina four spirits not bad
Guys well don't be licking illegal websites here man
When are you gonna actually get some furniture?
Well bro if I do get furniture I'm not gonna put any furniture in here this is like my gaming space
And I still have no desire to get any actual furniture or decorate my place at all
Last night I laid on my couch a little differently, and I was like holy shit. I've never made this angle. This felt nice
That's that's and I was like shit. I
That's the only thing I figured out if anything. I was like I
Literally zero thoughts crossed my mind to try to decorate my place
I don't be looking at anything right now. I'm laser focused on
grocery store
chicken Greek yogurt fruit
steak
eggs and sourdough bread and
Then the second I get done with the stream I go I sit on my couch and I watch YouTube and then I bring out of my phone
Once I lay down in bed. Whoa, whoa, whoa
This guy's hiding stitches
Where's he going?
How about a car for a woman in chat?
Guys, there's no car giveaways ever again.
That was a one-time thing.
That was it.
That was it.
Unless there's another girl that comes along who, you know, it would make sense at the
the time but I just even then it's just doesn't make any sense. I spent a month in jail. I
got out of the perfect time. Welcome bro. That's what's up. Alright we're back. Yeah it actually
is the perfect time basically. Bro you are hilarious. I mean yeah I mean yes that's what
it takes. That's what it takes. How do you have so much gold professions? Farming, playing
auction house selling things this and that yeah
guys it's not it's not handouts and begging what is wrong with some of you
people saying this shit it's not it's not RMT it's not anything like that
You don't, dude, Terry just messaged me, you don't play no auction house, what?
Terry, Jesus.
Alright guys, so good, Jesus.
He begs for our money to use it on a girl?
Because I have not talked to any women in a minute.
Alright, like I said, I've been so tapped into the online giving universe, I'm nerd
that kid constantly. I'm like trying to remember to stretch and this and that and
stretch out my hip flexors and you know like my I know I'm sitting down too long
when my knees hurt from sitting down it feels like they're straining it's like
what the hell is going on that I was married not even landlord guys I don't
know what the landlords up to but landlords in a different continent
she goes your if she ever goes your house Tuesday on a couch in a gaming PC I
I mean, women understand? It's like...
No! Those stripes! No! No!
I lived!
Oh my god.
Why did stripes go down though?
Okay, that guy might be bugged. How did I bug him out like that? Did you see that?
My meld does nothing to
Strikes is my pet imagine that was hardcore but that's hardcore. I would never even remotely run that way
Jesus I was close we lived
Get a standing desk. Hunter is insane. It's a great class.
But I was not getting a standing desk. Alright, standing desk is a terrible trend. It's ridiculous.
How many of you guys are using a standing desk right now?
No one's playing wow on a standing desk.
Do your job.
That's what I'm saying.
The watcher's not doing shit.
Guys, if you're using a standing desk, you better be subbed.
Okay?
Because if you're someone that's buying that, I mean clearly you're employed and you're
doing some sweaty shit, so get involved.
And if enough people sub, I can also get a standing desk as well.
Now we'll join the ranks of standing desk.
Why are you doing that, son?
I get paid $14 an hour and barely afford to live, let alone spend money on anything.
Yeah, um, you know what? I'm out to get this guy sub right now. That's a good call.
That's a good call. Get that guy sub. What the fuck? Murder in that five, get it?
Why are you guys, you guys are the ones laughing. What is wrong with you people? Jesus Christ.
All right, welcome. No more ads. Don't pity me. I didn't say that.
Jesus Christ, what is wrong with him?
Alright, well now we're tapped in.
Now we're boo-boo tapped in.
I got the net baby.
5 stamina, 4 spirit, yes sir.
I'm almost 20 bro.
All right, baby, it's time.
We roll through STV, go straight to Whaling Caverns.
What are the chances we get the best ball in the game in stuff?
Dude, did you guys see that the inventor of League of Legends is playing WoW and he got
the set on Druid, the 5 set?
So Riot Trinivir is sweating down on this game.
Should Riot employees be allowed to play this game?
I don't know.
What are they taking notes?
Keep it tabs?
What are they?
It's a little weird right for the right of them. Oh, it's like are they thinking I
Don't know what's going on with that
Take some notes doing some stress that is a
Little wild yo, I actually got asked by the League of Legends
Marketing team they said hey can we use one of your clips in a potential advertisement?
And you know what clip they fucking linked?
They said they want to show the world display
This is what they wanted to show. Look at this.
Yeah, so, I mean, that's what they were fucking, so they're gonna fucking troll me.
but this was a big zigz moment for me, I guess I was filled
and if you guys don't know what zigz is, I was trying to jump the wall
and I was going to kill this guy and dunk him but instead
I missed and I couldn't get over the wall and then my bomb missed
and then my team is fucking spam pinging my cooldowns like I'm gonna die
without pressing my shit so that was I mean I think we lost that game
by the way by badly so yeah
Yeah, so that's just pretty disgusting.
Pretty disgusting is what that is.
Jesus, man.
Close the toilet, Pepperdum.
Mm-mm.
Bow.
Teddy.
Max level is 20.
What I rather play leave your ultra honestly we played ultra hardcore I would be down to start the trend for ultra wow forever
That could be sick
The hotties play wow not lead true
Are you and Mary gonna play wow together to I have no intentions of talking to Mary or doing anything with her so
No ultra please that's what skim to a month later
was that's the input those kinds of challenges like ultra when they release hardcore that's
That's why we might need a wafer hardcore, I don't know.
I beat Ultra, I got the 60 on Locke on Ultra, Xar never hit 60 on Ultra, he couldn't handle
it.
Dude, what's crazy to me is I've played four characters now, how the hell has all these
other streamers stayed on one character every single day all day long?
What did they even do?
Whoa!
kill that kill that kill that
I'm in there
I'm clapping his shit am I not
GGs
Yo guys guys help help help help
Get this man in the group, guys get her!
Play safe, kite back, kite back!
Oh my god.
Yeah we all got into her all the fucking die to these wolves and shit.
So ridiculous.
Guys, everyone good?
Benzo?
Benzo, kite out man.
hide out man wait he's gonna get help him I clapped his shit to who's that
Hey, Joe again! Go, go, go!
Howdy!
Hunters, by the way!
Hunters! I'm killing everything!
Come on, come on!
Whoa!
There's a ton of them!
He's got red sickness. He's got red sickness.
Get these ogres off me, then.
Kill this priest, kill this priest!
Get me there, get me there!
keep me up get these ogres off this man turn around turn around turn around
turn around everyone turn around keep taking them keep taking them JBR you're
good bro get this guy in the group right now
How are they so fast? They're all so fast! Guys get these ads off of us! Where are these
guys going? Shit, what the hell is going on? I'm about to just say we should kill the ads.
I keep just everyone run
Oh my god, yo was I popping off there multi-shot does crazy damage
I got red sick as hell CBT
Oh
Shit
Beautiful we're rolling
Dude hunter is gonna be so nasty and WPVP. I can tell you man. I already know it
I know you wouldn't you wouldn't tell you why I'm not gonna tell you why you would tell you why
You would say why
I'm not gonna tell you guys
You guys want to tell you
Okay, I'll tell you I'll tell you
Look how much damage I just did in that last fight without hitting without being anywhere near to one now imagine I have aspect of the cheetah
I'm gonna be running at Mach speed
I'm gonna be Usain bolting in and out in and out in and out while maximizing DPS output
Nothing's beating them
Nothing is gonna be able to compete
Wait till I get my bow for whaling caverns the this it's done
It's done
Rampton's getting eaten alive by this tiger, guys. Just kite the tiger, don't hit it.
If you hit the tiger, it's gonna release. Just stop attacking.
No hit. Let's run.
You know, the pink system's actually fire, though.
Is there a better gun than the WC bow? No, the WC bow is BIS.
You need to get the WCBO.
I'm going with the WCBO right now.
I'm staying up past my bedtime.
I have work tomorrow.
I'm literally gonna show up late tomorrow
because of this shit.
That's how important it is.
Shit's no joke.
Oh no.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You guys like that?
Guys, there might be some new people in here
that think I'm actually employed.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Chase these guys chase these guys chase these guys. Let's go. Let's get some speed boost
I'm about to engage. I'm about to hard engage it get in get in
Hang on the way. Hang on the way. Let's go. Let's go
There's our team here. How are we getting killed on the way here Brampton get the hell over here, man
Brampton quit attacking the mom hitting you. It's gonna it's gonna go away. I promise
Keep going, go Google, charge in! It's Campbell! It's the same guy from before!
One second within 100 yards, I'm gonna scare him. He's blinking out, he knows, he knows.
Keep chasing, keep chasing. Watch this, slash console, volume, fog, zero.
So yeah, that's not got much better LOS than we're getting trapped.
Yo, circle, kite back, kite back, kite back.
It's cable!
Are you fucking kidding me, by the way?
Are you kidding-
Our mage players, some of the dumbest players on the planet.
Did you not see what this guy just fucking did?
This guy blinked into the middle of 10 of us and kills us all with Arcane Explosion
Spam.
And mages are saying their class is bad.
Was that not the most disgusting shit you've ever seen?
Could anyone even tell what spec the mage was?
Was he fire, frost, arcane?
Could anyone tell?
Could anyone fucking tell?
Dude runs in and 1v9s us.
Jesus Christ.
Mage players are on the most delusional arc right now.
It's just crazy that just happened.
What even was that?
That was unbelievable.
He was frost because I heard ice block you can't ice block at level 20
Nava mages need a buff yeah, or we're gonna buff the mage council came together and said their class sucks
That was insane
It's raining hella hard and stormy in STV
Jesus Christ, why is it raining so hard?
Is this a little overkill in the rain?
Blizzard?
What the hell is going on here?
This is a little extreme.
What are we up are we up guys don't die don't die can't back back back let me
rest let me rest and there is
is the coast clear guys push up so we can rest push up so we can rest
walk up walk up walk up I'm up I'm up I'm up I can't see shit it's so stormy I
can't see anything
what's up with Blizzard and not being able to see the game man can't see my
screen at all. Oh my god stripes just pulled, stripes just pulled. Crazy damage by the
way. Holy shit, I'm cracking this guy. Look at that damage. Oh man. Big, big, big. Stripes!
Okay, we're good, we're good. Hunter damage, by the way, is crazy. Hunter damage, by the
way, is insane. Is it not? Wow. We need to get some loot ASAP here. We need some this.
behind us guys they're behind us don't let him flank don't flank just keep running
keep running don't stop yeah the pet average is fried they're all aggro on
pets
get this guy to the group hey we just layer
Am I going to abuse the Crock-Pep for it's change tomorrow? Nope.
Are these tigers bigger than normal or what?
Looks like they revamped this shit.
Yo, do not let this guy live.
Yep, that's easy clap, got him.
Wow, it just stopped raining all of a sudden, we're in Florida.
Finally, that rain was obnoxious.
That was a little too much on the rain.
That was too much on the rain.
What is the best time to press multi-shot as a hunter?
Does anybody know?
Does anyone have any input or intel or insider information
on how to optimize the hunter ability usage for that spell?
It's also at 3 to 31 subs today.
She uses 33,100%.
That's crazy.
Guys, I'm not talking on three plus or more mobs.
I'm talking on in the auto-shot rotation.
Is it after auto-shot?
Is it in the middle of the bar, does it matter?
Right after an auto.
Okay.
Not in the middle.
Cause it's a cast time.
Damn.
when the tank has no threat.
Why is Auto Shot a 6 second cooldown?
Is that psychotic?
No, you can definitely still clip autos, I swear.
After over 40 auto in the middle is bad. Okay
Hey, oh, whoa, we got action we got action
Look at that damage
wait this oh my god help help help up
guys guys guys guys oh my god nobody died keep running keep running healers do
things guys die get aggro so we'll do something
Jesus Christ, they're so...
No stripes!
Oh my God, stripes are real!
No! Stripes died!
JBR died. Oh my god. We're getting picked off your bad.
Rampton's dead too. Everyone's dead. This pet aggro is cooking us. It's got to be the
pet aggro. It has to be.
Does multi-shot start your auto attack or no?
Does multi-shot or arcane shot hit harder?
take this yes basic is worth multi-shot hits harder wait that guys this stupid
gorilla is still attacking we're dead to the bruisers by the way oh my god wait
are we good
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Arcane shots of- Oh, you- guys!
Can I get a roast, anyone?
Thank you.
What the hell is going on here?
Guys, I didn't hit anyone.
They just targeted me.
Get FPV, get FPV.
That's a minute, 30-odd guys.
Appreciate that.
Yo, low key.
When the boat is about to leave, let's just murk whoever we can.
Right as the boat's about to leave.
We're gonna take somebody out here payo style, you know what I mean?
You guys remember that hey, I'll kill the Aussie in here. How talks it was that
I don't I don't know if I have a I don't think we have a lot we got no locks we're cooked
What's over here?
There's belt level 60 gear, damaged undermined supply crate.
There's level 60 bits that cost 75 reels.
Wow.
It's odd vendor.
When you're putting chat on the screen so I can full screen, a lot of people said they
like seeing the stream without the chat on.
Do we need to bring the chat back perhaps?
Can you serve it?
with clips too. Wait, maybe that's big.
I lost the met sub. Ooh, okay.
JBR?
Oh, these guys are dueling. That's crazy.
when your rogues get distracted I have no idea
should we rez up the pet
so messed up mad max hit the water you're gonna die miss the boat
damn look at booty bae bro the goblin on the island milk rush
I wonder what you'll do, man.
Guys, is it yogurt time?
That took 40 minutes to get to Booty Bay.
That was pretty fast, man.
Back in the day, you should take it a lot longer.
of
the
death
of
That's my door, that's my door, you kidding me?
Hey, get him off the boat, get him off the boat!
Yo, should we kill this guy right here, in the front?
Let's mark him, let's do it!
Guys careful careful watch the watch the watch the guys kill that guy
What we still be give me some meat right now did we get him
Oh, you're chasing down the level 10 to kill him?
CBT is so toxic.
Wait, kill all these bowies.
Kill all these bowies.
Hey!
Guys, in here, in here!
oh man we are so toxic kill them all kill them all wait they died on the
moving boat what happens wait do they get coached or no every horn fly on the
shit got killed oh my god dude do they get to rest fine oh my god yo good shit
wait let's see if they rest
They're gone.
I can't see nothing.
Beautiful.
These clowns bro trying to cheese us like that.
And of course there's still fishing by forever.
If you're looking at not all right now I've smoked you like a dead off for a seven foot
infarction without checking in.
You guys must not understand how I'm moving on the hunter.
You guys really must not get it.
That's all right.
I'm his funny friend.
Yeah.
We'll class on launch, switch up wipe.
Rogue?
Perhaps?
Guys, who's playing Nades, man?
Nades are terrible right now.
Nature's might be one of the worst blasts in the game
Yup anyone can get blasted I like that
I'm leaking FPS too, it's bad.
Yeah, guns aren't using ammo right now.
Bro, I'm listening to the stream from working, it sounds like GTA.
Bro, I'm trying to get the bispo in the game right now.
Okay?
The Venom is Viper.
The Stingiest Snake, whatever it's called.
The Toxic Anaconda, what's it called?
strike. There it is.
Are we raiding Summit?
Summit better hope he doesn't run into us.
Holy shit. Wipe the floor with those goobers.
Whoa, whoa, whoa!
Yo! Yo! Ow! Oh! Oh!
Dude!
Pay attention. Everyone get your...
Okay, here we go. This is our first taste at WorldPVP.
Oh, I'm out of range.
How are they so fast?
It's the Torta guy!
Oh my damage by the way!
Level 13!
Big multi-shot!
Oh my god!
Hunter damage by the way!
Hunter damage by the way!
You see this!
Level 13!
Kill that, kill that, kill that.
Kill that, kill that.
I'm on. Someone treat me a mana pot in group. Anyone?
Hunter. Back off, back off, back off.
Yes! Treat me again, treat me again.
So, anyone?
Kite back, kite back, kite back, kite back!
Put soul traps!
Wow!
Great trade, great awareness on the mana pot trade, Jesus! What? Great awareness! This is insane!
Guys, keep running, keep running! Why do you guys just have mana pots on?
guys this is not streamer boys I was going crazy it was I thought I did
have the damage tell tell me on any other class you could do exactly what I
just did you can't you can't unless you're lying
great work team time to take the caverns
Guys, wait till I get that aspect of the cheetah.
That aspect of the cheetah.
Yo, he's rising, he's rising.
Yeah, he's scared shitless now, that's what I thought.
They see we're pulling up.
Guys, quit hiding the horde guard here. Just run from the guard.
There's a lot of piss here potential
Bro, is the pink system actually so fire?
They killed the guard! Holy shit, they killed the guard!
How did they kill the guard?
A lot of piss up for grab shirts, a minute 30.
Whoa! Guys, look alive, look alive!
Wow, these guys just got clapped.
There's Warden coming somewhere.
Where are they? Yeah, show some things guys. Where we at?
The multi-shot action and watch me watch me watch me
Care me guys. Care me push push push push push push push. I'm dead by this by this
Please!
We just got layered!
What the hell was that?
We got layered out!
Some dude, I invited a group.
I get layered out, killed and layered back.
And then he's gone.
How the hell is that possible?
Can I get a res?
Yo, dude, there's something wrong with the layers.
No, there's something very wrong with the layers.
That's insane.
Bro, that's unheard of shit.
That's actually ridiculous.
Joe, you are a fucking clown.
You got me killed, by the way.
Get in there, get in there, get in there.
Alright.
GG team guys, we gotta get in the raid, we gotta get in the raid.
For the group.
I gotta kick over the group.
We're back guys, we're back.
Let's wall up what's happened.
Let's roll.
Damage by the way I'm going poop now
He's got luck he's looking at a lot of on fire right now on torches ass right there
Guys, how do we get into the dungeon?
We need Venom Strike bad.
You know, if we get Venom Strike, how disgusting is our damage going to be?
Is it going to be a little ridiculous?
Dude, low key?
Why don't I just make whatever the best class is during that phase of the beta and then just play that in PvP?
Right?
What are we doing?
Why don't we just play whatever's good?
Put some clothes on then.
What even are you gonna already am?
Everyone pull up!
Yo, I'm leaking a little bit, I gotta re-log, yeah, we gotta re-log.
I have 1900 HP on my Hunter, bro, you are a boo-koo sweat.
That is ridiculous.
Bow, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow.
Re-log.
How bad is this leak?
It's bad.
It's a very bad leak, but I have my guys that wasn't working on it.
I'll give you more updates soon once they tell me.
We need extra water.
Brampton I appreciate it, but I'm like six Melonju's and two pots.
Damn!
I like it.
I like it a lot.
Hunters are doing 70 DPS of multi-shot by the way.
This is outrageous.
Look at the damage, bro!
Hunter goes a little crazy, huh?
Old spot I think, I read.
Appreciate that.
The tank is loving this.
Yo, how is a hunter?
Do you not instantly pull aggro pressing multi-shot, by the way?
Like, what do you do?
Wait, I'm going to snagging them from above.
After getting worried to 20 hunters like a different game, I mean, look at this glass,
right?
This is just insane.
Looking forward to the boss now, Hunter is not born at all.
Hunter's just straight blasting them by the way.
Take his loving this by the way.
Just can't hold threat on shit.
Just can't do anything about it.
about it I mean look at Hunter bro look at the damage the second you get some
AoE it's like oh my god it's crazy
How is multishot a six-second cool-down that is so broken?
The arcane shot hits harder than multi-shot too, it looks like.
Yo, Stripes is dead!
careful guys, careful, lock in lock in
we're so fucking dead, tell me we're not wiping guys, tell me we're not wiping
land kicks
I'm alive!
I'm alive!
Should I try to fight it?
I can fight it?
Bro, try to get here.
I'm trying to hold him off as long as I can.
I'm out!
Oh my god!
Bro, I have never wiped in Wailing Caverns.
What just happened?
Holy shit, that was one shot me.
What?
No!
You are such a bitch.
You are insane.
If that guy killed me, I would have crashed out if that guy killed me.
Oh my God.
What an idiot.
It's unreal.
How disgusting would that have been if I died there?
Dude, that was... that was rough.
That was tough.
Bro, multishot lowkey might be ass.
Multishot just pulls thread off everything and pulls aggro and just gets you killed.
I can't release until out of combat.
That's actually bad.
That's some retail shit.
I'm not sure.
Oh, in case it was a boss fight.
Bro, pulled everything in the brooch out. Bro, they were already pulled. I was trying to fight it.
I don't have anything. I can't do anything when it happens. I have no tools, right?
My cat didn't pull those you know what actually pulled the Raptors screech for teammates
There's a taking fault.
Mm-hmm.
Now it's that blue rocker's up.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Now it's that blue rocker's up.
Mm-hmm.
Wow, you're all grown up now, Luna, what's good?
I thought I haven't heard from you since 2013.
You playing well forever?
Guys, is Logic actually top 3 in the rap game right now?
Real talk.
Try out the good read.
Why are you all saying no?
why are you all saying no?
let's get it
why am I missing so many attacks?
you said I hold off my multi-shot?
now I go
it missed
snake-eyed kaleidoscope
One agility, one strength. I mean, that's not bad.
That's not bad, right?
I'm gonna take that axe.
I'm gonna need that.
Logic is a cornball.
How do you guys hate the longer run up?
I'm gonna walk in, man.
It's not gonna uphast it. I think the five stamina is worth more.
It's actually good for what my PBU said, though.
That guy's just slept.
The logic just bites Kendrick and...
Bro, I saw apparently some guy had the name, if you can believe this, Kendrick No Marv.
And he was a Black No.
That's actually the first dude to name himself after Kendrick, maybe ever the history of anything.
That TikTok has five already, I saw that.
What's wrong with no being black?
There's nothing wrong with that.
A lot of you guys are trying to paint me like I'm racist or something like that.
I see a lot of you guys' names on here, I'm saying.
I just can't smile out of there.
God, what a working mistake.
Can't throw them again, I'm lagging.
I'm lagging bad.
Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh.
You're my eyes, man.
Whoa.
What did we just said to, whoa, whoa, whoa.
How is Jack Karlo?
I'm about to go crazy here, big burst, big burst.
Nope.
Guys, look at the damage I'm doing.
Goddamn.
I'm just popping off BLASTING by the way.
Dude, the raptors they scream and they pull extra bombs. That's what they do.
Look at that damage, bro.
We're stuck in combat by the way.
Is he pissed out or is Hunter strong?
Well, it's not, it's more or less a combination of things, but I'm basically, there's lots
of little things I'm doing in the rotation that are causing me to do these things.
Let's run around.
Peek-a-boo I have a small, extremely serious, completely professional request.
I'm going on a date tonight and for some reason my dumb ass told them I'm a mod in your chat.
So now I'm standing here with absolutely zero mod powers and a reputation to maintain.
Can you please make me mod just until tonight?
I promise to abuse my powers responsibly, ban absolutely nobody and carry the sacred
title of mod with honor and dignity.
This is not a request.
to cry for help. Ms. Landoria, I feel like you will, I mean, I feel like you're trolling.
I'm reading your chat history. I think you're trolling. I think this person's completely
Yo, you absolutely fucking not. You're not getting mod. No chance. My team is pulling without me!
Hell no, we're not giving out mod.
Can Stripes get down there or what? Is Stripes just gonna spectate?
Look at this angle I'm taking, bro. This is crazy.
I'm BLASTING by the way!
There we go!
Third DPS guys my pet wasn't there and I started late by the way
Guys we need that bow the most dangerous sting something like that big
Are you a board player or a softy?
I play both sides.
50 gifted and you help me out?
You're not dropping 50 gifted.
What are we talking about?
That was a terrible use of my Mexican blow, right?
Man, Hunter just pops off bro, it gets crazy.
Well encountered the savory fish for the bow man.
Danny Burr what's good?
Happy Tuesday man, Hunter is insane.
I can't wait to see you in PvP, bro.
I'm pretty sure you should start every encounter with Arcane Shot.
That's when you start with Arcane Shot, it cranks.
Being triple-trip by the way.
Manapod add two.
Big damage trip by the way.
Case proc.
My pet is slept.
How?
Pop it off here, big damage.
80 DPS by the way.
80 DPS on Hunter, and we're saying this class is bad.
The level 20 hunters, people peeing in ashore with water come to us, and yeah, Hunters and
World PvP is just disgusting.
It's so much range.
Look at that, man.
I think they sleep second highest threat.
No, it's insane.
Is your DPS meter bug or are you pulling off top numbers on every class?
Our rotation is just a little bit different.
Our positioning, timing, everything.
Some mechanical brilliance, one might say.
Guys, is anyone in the chat from Toronto?
Is there anything cool from Toronto?
We got some cronies in here.
How are so many of you from Toronto?
Is it worth trying to visit Toronto?
Did you say Toronto?
You say Toronto? Yeah, I got Tim Hortons messing with me, actually.
Remember to choose my word. You guys seal all those Toronto slings, right?
Yeah, man, come to Toronto? Wait, this guy's even brampton, man. Is that a Toronto thing?
HAHAHAHAHA
Jesus Christ
You're a grub. What have you taught Toronto?
Yo, I swear some of the dumbest people look like they give you from Toronto. Am I crazy? Every time I see these people on my Instagram Reels, they're barely speaking English. It's ridiculous.
Oh my god, triple ulti shot, by the way.
Oh my god, Haste proc, by the way.
Why are my shots cancelling bro?
AB there isn't Torrent better for pvp?
What?
I'm playing Nidale.
We got major vibes on Nidale.
Cross-starchers, not great.
Shadowbelt can't be used in combat, it's a nice threat drop, actually useful on Hunter.
It kind of works, not fully though.
We're in the wailing caverns, the best item in the game, the bow.
Brampton is what Toronto wishes it was.
Who's you think that rape?
Get a pot, add two.
Don't just do every single fight. I'm going crazy, though, no?
Shadowmove is now usable in combat, and it has too many cooldowns.
Play a knock OP class for once. Every single class I log on, people say it's OP. Why is that?
Play Warrior? Yeah, I might. I will play Warrior. I'll cook on that class next.
two
two
Uh oh.
Guys.
Hey!
Up!
What?
On what?
How?
How is our healer getting slapped?
on what how
how is our healer getting slept by the way what what is going on
how could i keep dying on hunter is this class terrible
I'm starting to think this class sucks!
Am I just not allowed a fresh moldy shot or something? Is that why?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Wait till 20, faint death, wait, do you have faint death
at 20 or is that, cap, W Brempton thens?
Put on some Cascade, man.
30, yeah, so people are just making shit up again.
I don't know if it's like they play the game.
Why does a lucky shot miss half the time?
Yo, we just pulled the boss, by the way.
Am I doing real damage here by the way, holy shit.
Leggings of the fang.
Short sort of the bandit.
I'll take that.
Is leggings of the fang better than what I have?
I can't actually tell.
Duty bound is so good though.
What if 5 set fang is good for hunter?
I'll read it.
I'll read it.
It might not be that good.
Maybe set bonus is bokeh on it low key.
10 attack bar, 10 alert, that's actually very good.
Huge mistake.
What do you mean I have nasty legs?
What do you, what?
Look at my damage bro.
You think I'm struggling in the DPS department?
I don't think so I'm dropping diabolical numbers
Check your this list guys relax don't have don't don't be tight to this nonsense. What's your business at level 20 on the beta?
It's ridiculous
Completely ridiculous as if there's no such things as this list unless I say it's this
What do you mean false?
Well, I need to take the beat out seriously
Keep a little out of control here.
Cryolytic and every sub was up dog
Getting back to back crocs on quick shots, man, these shots are fast, say that much.
Look at that step back hiding bro, james hard and shit.
You have the spatial awareness of a doorknob?
I have no spatial awareness, you know League of Legends, right?
I mean, Master Tier 500 and OP player in that game, I'm 80 carried.
It's all about awareness.
Should I talk about my last ass next?
I mean, let's just look at this kitey, bro.
can we do some damage? what the hell is going on? where is the team? look at this man!
Bro come back I ran from the entire team guys why was no one following up this is
Crazy
Ghost auto by the way
Big damage you by the way look at that haste
Ghost auto again.
A lot of ghosts are sitting here.
Damn.
Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
Facti-da-da.
Don't really mind, I'm fine with the ring now.
Okay, down, big one shot.
Oh, my pets look like, where's all my damage?
Look how noticeable it is when your pet is literally not in the fight, it's crazy.
Your pet's 50% of your damage, actually. It's crazy.
STOEY!
Thinkin' about Raid?
Guys, we're getting raided by every single person
as we're on a late-night bender once again in the whaling caverns.
We do this, by the way.
Kidding me? Don't know what's up.
What's a fun caster? Everything.
There is not a single class in this game that is not fun.
Everything is fun
seriously
Doc was good. It's not he said she could take you in a duel. That's
It's very crazy actually
First you guys saying major is bad there's a bit of pollution going on in the game right now
I mean people are talking about this list. You know, I mean so people clearly I'm thinking
Not this song yet?
Oh should we switch it up?
How about this song?
Should we K-pop it, we could.
That GGE is a banger right now.
On large, I might go rogue, I'm definitely going to go.
crazy guy so
There's no music playing, you kidding me?
Yeah, I like the multi-stream though, I like that.
Did they wrote on having Shadowstep as a problem for Rogues?
Guys, Rogues don't need to have Shadowstep, guys.
How come people are trying to make the game more retail?
this is crazy. We got to keep the game separate. Guys, you want to play retail? You know, where
we all have more abilities and this and that, and it's much more fair, we can do that. We
can go on retail and go down to do that. But if you want to play classic, yeah, we got
to have some shortcomings. For some reason, majors are the only class without shortcomings,
though it seems like, but they still believe they are having tons of them.
I'm trying to maintain the threat here.
Mom's just resetting, whoa they're resetting, they're resetting.
Oh fuck, we're dead, what's going on?
Stop the sleeps guys, keep the sleeps, keep the sleeps.
Focus up, focus up, focus up.
How are we dead?
guys obviously it bugged out keep playing keep playing we're not dying here
we're not dying here
What are we doing we're looting while we're dying
Use deterrence for once. That's my auto-shot key by not deterrence.
That's what happened there. We've got to kick the sleeps. Someone's got to kick the sleeps.
These mobs did a weird reset earlier. I'm going to report this bug right now. There's a game
breaking bug in WC right now where the mobs and boss reset and it just wiped my entire group.
Everyone, everyone started arranging and had to log off for work and now I cannot get my
this. Please fix this.
How many, how many bugs do I need to submit before things start getting changed?
Matter of fact, I might start messaging some of my Blizzard friends here and just telling them how it is.
Let's get a little bit out of control here, and I'll have to talk to the devs about it.
Okay, I'll talk to the devs then.
That's fun.
Guys, I did take the...
By the way, I need to log off for work, actually.
Dude, no you don't.
Dude, fuck your job, man.
It's fine.
It's one more hour waiting in the cavern, it's almost over.
Right?
One more hour.
It's 11.30.
I got Colin sick.
Dude, I have to go work tomorrow too.
OK, I'm out here late night.
I got to take some meat out to ASAP.
Now my dinner's going to be cold.
That way you lock in.
I got six hours.
OK, how about this?
We try to kill this.
We try to see if the boat drops.
Maybe we run it again.
Dude, I'm like a speed demon moving through the cabin
this how are you wiping and wailing caverns
Get guys, this is boss content.
How are people asking these stupid questions, man?
Look at those kiting mechanics, by the way.
we need to kill the shambler dude the mob is reset and we like something went wrong
guys I don't have any interrupts or damage or something our healers got to not get slept
our Granted man's living to sit back or we have to see who the sleep is being casted
on and we have to stop the sleep because when when the mob is sleeping our healer our healer
can't heal us because he slept and then when the healer gets slept and he can't heal we
are dying faster because we're not being healed because our healer got slept and that in turn
would cause someone to die our tank and the tank will be dying because he's not getting
healed because the healer is getting slept right and then when our tank dies they go
on the next day's threat which is me and then I die and it all ties back to the first thing
our healer got slept and that's why we can't get any heals.
It's crazy.
Guys, I don't have a kick.
If I had a kick, I would.
All we have is CVT.
We need CVT to land these kicks.
DPS loss?
It's not just a DPS loss.
We're losing our lives.
We're losing much more than DPS.
It's a life loss.
Dude, our big fudge has worked tomorrow.
This is no joke now.
This is fucked up.
This is not just, this is real life loss now.
Our actual lives are on the line now.
We need to get serious.
I've got work tomorrow too.
I'm doing mid-37.
He can't even remove the dragons.
They're griffins.
They will not move them.
They're bald eagles, actually.
I gotta feed the kids, exactly.
That's all right, we're running back.
We're running back it's good.
Whether, yeah.
Back to the remedy.
My weapons broke. Jesus Christ. Switching. One in sword at least. Sound mid-maxing my
gear completely. My shit's broken. It doesn't matter. I'm still getting it done.
You see they're cracking down on racist double names?
Yeah, it's been about time.
It's very upsetting when I see people
with disrespectful names like that, man.
I don't like that shit.
God, map was forwarded.
What's wrong with you guys?
Yes, some of you guys are so smalls, man.
Back to the-
Justice!
Four-strength, four-agility sword.
Right when my shit breaks.
That is what I'm talking about. That's big damage.
That's actually insane, by the way.
Nice kick, CBT, I saw that one.
to be home.
Oh, fat pole, fat pole.
Walking crit.
So they definitely nerf this Meilary bullshit outside of their port.
Lowest ever rate rate.
Guys, what is this guy saying?
Relax your Belfort.
Jesus Christ.
Christ.
Heads up? Oh yeah, I can't have any music on any multi-streams. It's just not simply against the law, but it's simply...
I'm out of drinks.
I don't even have two level 20s.
So I'm playing all day, every day since release.
What are we talking about?
This is ridiculous.
This is bad.
This is bad.
This is bad.
This is bad.
This is bad. Anyone?
Thanks, Samus.
Ooh, that damage!
Passive deterrents, Keck, I don't have deterrents, I don't have slow trap, guys.
Gonna be fine.
Pop that elixir.
Wait, why did I pop the elixir so late?
I got my haste proc.
I can't believe you guys told me this haste proc was bad.
Is it bad to have 30% increased cast time or 30% faster shots out of your weapon?
Who pulled by the way?
You guys almost pulled this venom wing.
just cropped three times in one fight by the way oh tail spike oh guys I take that
Actually wait I already have a weapon wait maybe it's why it's why it's why
I'm just gonna stay here.
I'm just gonna stay here.
Guys, that actually wouldn't be a good one.
We're even popping off crazy shots on Hunter.
Little skip strat?
Wow, we're speedrunning.
Okay.
The buff is proc'ing almost every fight.
Yeah, it's insane.
And people are telling me I had the wrong talent setup.
How are you gonna tell me I've got the wrong talisman?
Ridiculous.
See, now it's not broken now that you said that, man.
See now it's not talking now that you said that man, see I said it to myself.
Wait I literally just got one of these.
Terry are you kidding me?
My alarm just went off?
Bro wait, are you supposed to like be asleep right now?
Wait what is happening?
Get a proctor's reference thing I have no idea.
Imagine an 80 attack card, it wouldn't be 80, it's gonna be 36 attack cards.
It's 8am!
Wait, you like didn't sleep at all?
Whoa, this guy's up in- this guy didn't sleep!
This dude's cooked!
Supreethin' that stuff, this guy's a lot, dude.
You know this guy's gonna have an ass day, oh my god.
Yo, how worth it is it to skip sleeping?
and you have to go to work for whaling caverns. I'll be straight up, bro. That is...
Nah, that's a fucking... that's terrible. That's... oh my god. I don't got a job.
Wait, bro was LARPing that he had a job?
Oh, he's European. That's why.
oh what the hell I see then wow okay I a sign in a contract today that's what's up
yeah you would never hear an American talking like that that's that is crazy
Yeah, that is crazy.
Don't jump.
I jumped.
Made it.
Look at these crits.
Triple crits, by the way.
low in hunter skill
wait is it 8 a.m. for a lot of you guys right now
you are locked in bro, respect
You guys are insane by the way.
Yes it weren't well, there's so many heroes in here.
Lots of it, you little beans.
Yo, yo, get ready, get ready, get ready.
Lord Serpentis.
This is our guy.
This guy drops the best item in the game, in the entire game right here.
This guy right here.
Lord Serpent, these.
Let's get it.
Man upon ads, I'm going too crazy.
Give me a proc.
Come on, give me a proc, wizard.
Get it
Manifold add them won't you crazy give me a proc. Come on give me a proc wizard
Come on boom boom boom
Wait, are those this? Wait. My this? Wait, that might be my this?
I hit greed, I hit greed.
I'll take gloves.
High-key could be this.
That could be this for arcane shot, right?
Trans-ball threat. Alright, man. I'll take it easy.
Guys, why did we not get the bow there?
CVT needed the gloves!
CBT. Yeah.
Watching threat, watching threat.
That pan pan is like too gold in no way.
Yo, whoa
Our tank just got one shot what the hell happened you'll get a killer tank that shield man
How do we not get anything, no?
You need that, my man!
Hey, get that guy that shield, seriously, man.
Solo white man is crazy, man, tanking that like that.
That was brutal.
It's been 30.
last boss? One more, there's one more boss. And that honor damage back to back
Rocks there. Come on, man.
I don't know
This man used to PVP bro, I'm doing this for PVP.
We're gonna have to keep coming back to Caverns, we have no choice.
Caverns is way too busy.
I had to take the meat out bro.
Sunday morning banging my head.
Bro, I had to employ the issue, it was fire.
Double chicken was cooking today.
Let me go take that shit out, actually, otherwise my dinner is cold.
I'm going to throw it out on some steak and bread for dinner right there.
That's what we got.
Hopefully this one's going to bang.
We'll see.
Think in 500-ish degrees, 3 minutes 15 or so aside, cook it off heat.
Let's see.
We're going to lift.
No time to turn back, I ain't got no huh.
I'm here, team.
Yo, onk.
Who thought you were...
Look at that damage bro.
Ooooohhhhh.
Those are lowkey nice.
Yo we're gonna need to get a stamina set man.
Hey like an Hunter, Hunter is insane bro.
Action is such a crazy class.
Everyone blazing wow forever doesn't even play Retailer Classic, bro I played all versions
of the game.
I'm very excited for WoW Forever.
Dude, WoW Forever is like one of the last few chill games out. It's crazy.
I think so, Terry. Agility stamina, I think, is this.
I might need to level some professions.
When does it come out?
Four weeks or so?
This is one of the few games they announced at BlizzCon that's coming out soon.
Dude, was anyone expecting Blizzard to announce that some other games were going to be even
close to coming out?
Or was everyone thinking 2030, 2029, and this is...
I mean, that's kind of insane, right?
I think so, Terry. I'll have to see. The 2030 Starcraft announcement was insane. Would
that game low-key be fired though? I thought that game has crazy potential. Like, the cinematic
That was insane for it.
But I mean, 20, 30, dude, I'm going to be 32, 33, some of you guys are going to be like
40.
Are you guys still going to be on Starcraft by then?
I mean, probably, right?
What else are we going to do?
Is some new game gonna come out that's gonna captivate the world? I doubt it, right?
group full of unks only the right MMO has a chance
bro I have no idea what a riot MMO could look like I actually don't know I don't
think anyone knows what a riot MMO could look like either
Because if they make that game, it would have to be like something we've never seen before,
right?
I mean like how the hell would it even look?
with all the characters and the lore I have no fucking clue.
I
Bum-bam
Jordy why I you don't have to come in here and tell us that you're not into the game, bro
That's okay
You can just not play the game and you did play the game you let you level two characters to max level you played more than me somehow
Right, I'm only pay to win. Well, well these not exactly a paid win game
Yeah, we just not paid when there's such skins
How much footballing I remember I'm going crazy
I'm into the game. I just don't think it lives. Going to Twitch chat and spreading
complete nonsense about the game would not help anything right just just go to
Twitter or something do that be one of the bots on there already you want to be
one of the people getting spammed downloaded unbelievable what's up with
that oil on the Merlot what for strength guys I got nobis again nothing on this
Press play to
Guys hey everyone with the glowing shard. There's some business there potentially
Dude that was a fire when I can't really get the bow man. We serious
Guys, there's no such thing as streamer loop by the way except for czar czar actually gets true
Right we've all seen many many many czar streamer loop moments. It's crazy
Bracer Fist, the shard QL was that.
Ruped us on Sass, I have no idea.
Right now I'm playing combat and that's the best road spec.
Wait, is there any chance we dinged 20 off this shit?
They did use Zard, Pooks at BlizzCon.
Guys, Zard, if you watch Zard now, everything he says, he's talking about how he's talking
to the devs.
It's our actually talking to this many devs is it is he talking to the fire dev
The frost dev your cane dev. He's talking to the hunter devs the road devs
I mean he's talking to the to the the classic devs. He's talking to the retail devs
I mean he might be talking to the CEOs. I mean the shareholders. I have no idea. He might be the board meetings
We don't know what's going on here
Who knows what happened was it HQ right? This is this is crazy man
Wait Terry's in the group you want to reset and run for bow no chance we turning plus we got turning plus
Ted I got no bags face where even are you guys Terry pulled up he's here
Double bandit rain is crazy.
Okay.
Okay, okay.
Okay.
Thank you very much, Terry.
Guys, Terry is the goat that is our treasurer of the move, Guild.
Whoa, whoa, hey, hey, blockhead, there's people here.
Hold by, guys, please, hold by, man.
What the hell's going on here, man? It's ridiculous.
Guys, that's not stream or loot.
Okay, that was Terry coming in, dropping off a care package.
Terry could've lived that for anybody.
It just happened that it was me on the street.
Yo, my last telepoint, I think it goes into pathfinding.
Is it worth sacrificing 1% crit for a better aspect of the cheetah?
or no wait wait yo get there get there get there
dude you know what i want swiftest bots i need i need whoa there's lots of them there's lots of them
throw me guys throw me
god damn i'm popping off here
We got damage.
I'm just straight turning them down bro.
Wait out here guys, out here.
He bubbled, he bubbled, chased him, chased him, chased him.
Beautiful.
Jesus man.
Another one right here?
Oh, some warrior guys, don't worry.
Oh my god, some of those guys in the game.
Oh man, I'm spitting for this guy.
Jesus man.
Hey my seesaw, my shot time reset but it didn't go off.
Jesus.
We'll take it. Beautiful.
Dude, Hunter and PvP has to be so crazy, I swear.
There's no way. I don't know who...
Dude, I'm hearing people are saying Hunter is bad.
I swear, I don't know if we're playing the same game.
People are saying Rogue is bad now.
Warlock is bad. Mage is bad.
What is going on?
Everyone's saying everything is bad.
People are losing their minds on the beta, guys.
losing their minds. Big time. Everything is bad. Unreal. Warrior is actually bad though.
Okay. Warrior is the only class that can complain. Warrior is the only class that feels like
a classic glass just completely useless
wow and pve warrior instead yes not pv worst-class pv by far not close
i don't know why
are you better than zaru in virtually every aspect except when it comes to
I don't know, salad eating contests, kale eating contests, something like that, maybe changing diapers potentially?
No
I'll put it apart. I'm gonna bet you'll be a memory.
Hello Peekaboo, your three order are ready soon. Thank you for service. I got people
larping as Asian people like I'm buying gold. This is insane guys. I don't condone any RMT or
gold buying or breaking TOS. I'm completely against that shit. And if I catch any of you doing that,
you will be guilt kicked and banned from the stream permanently. And I will report you myself to
some of my GM friends at Blizzard.
Seriously.
Grandmaster, they're that 40 by 37.
Welcome back.
How much have you spent on the beta?
I mean, I've got multiple accounts. I'm trying to do a thing.
I can't even bring you guys top tier cutting edge gameplay.
Right?
Terry, they don't know what's going on.
They have no idea what's happening.
Meet your agent in the Storm and Oxygenus.
I have no agent.
Jesus Christ.
Is this all talk or what actually? Yes, I would guys. I'm trying to keep Azeroth clean. No bullshit
Why is this guy's name dickshot? This is reportable too
Kidney he's got venom strike
What is this segmented spider leg
What's up with this dude's gear?
Richard shot.
Dude, we had this one guy from the stream.
real name is Richard and he had some dumb ass name in game where it was like
something dick and it was like he said his real life name was Richard and
Blizzard suspended him for his name and he went in here went on a rant so he was
gonna sue Blizzard for like for not respecting his his name and he was gonna
like send in pictures of his ID he said some troll ass name forgot what that was
So that guy was hilarious.
Haven't seen him in a hot minute.
It's some stupid in-game name, because Richard, technically,
the name is Dick for Richard.
Like, that's a real name, which doesn't make any sense.
How does Hunter feel?
It's playable.
It's partially playable.
And it's not anything too crazy from what I can tell.
but I'll do some more testing here soon.
There's some more testing soon and we can get a better,
you know, better analysis,
better idea of what is going on.
So right now it's a little up in the air, yeah.
Get the croc for 50% MS.
See the crocodile modal strike pet
doesn't strike me as that valuable, right?
And I mean, is there a lot of healing going on in the game?
I don't know.
Unless the crocodile is doing this damage.
We want feral leveling till 20 on Druid sucks no matter what that's just out is that's the Druid experience
Because what happens is once you get to level 20 Druid becomes way better
Because you get the you just go in shit and move faster
Mythic sim wild forever tierless guys, how are people making tierless?
I'm surprised so many people are saying all these things and it's like this is this is unbelievable
9 hour banger, love it, as a New Zealander viewer.
Thank you Cricket, I've been trying to work overtime man.
Been trying to get after it, get it done and make shit happen, you know.
DING!
20!
Grat CBT?
That's insane.
That's very insane.
Yo!
That's insane. That's very insane.
Whoa, hey! This guy's trying to get me!
No, Strikes don't die.
Are the Ratchet Guards bugged?
Oh my god, Strikes died.
Is he coming for me?
Did you see that?
He attacked me.
No, that was crazy. He was literally trying to kill me. He swung on me first.
He tried to turn it into a quest.
Do we think that guy was trying to harmlessly turn it into a quest and he accidentally right
clicked me and swung on me?
I cooked his ass.
Oh my god.
That's what he gets.
My warlock is not bugged.
I can't believe we just gung 20.
We've made it.
We need to level up our pet again.
Our pet needs to get leveled up.
Am I all lucky for not getting a bait invite?
It could be tomorrow, man.
It could be tomorrow.
Bait invites, I'm gonna go out on business days, business weekdays.
This guy's harassing.
Yeah, we just gotta ban him.
I don't know.
Well Banna made potential undamned, but yeah, I don't know.
Friary.
Is Alliance faster than Ward?
Alliance is pretty similar, I think.
The worst starting zone is Night Elf.
By far.
It doesn't take massively longer.
Actually no it would.
The Night Elf zone is definitely the worst.
I got out of there in similar times with my other characters, but I'm playing a Hunter
and Hunter's OP.
Yep.
So the Nelfthstone is the worst,
and then Durotart, honestly, is not that good too.
I take dead.
I take dead.
Where do we hand in the glowing shard?
You need to go to Ratchet of Brampton
and talk to the guy next to the Flightmaster.
He's right next to that little hut,
and then tap and examine it, and then you run here.
where we're going. You basically run back to the dungeon. The Blue Elf Zone sucks.
It's way too long. I've actually heard the Blue Elf Zone is the best leveling zone in
the entire game. It is completely set up to get you out of the game at level 14. It's
streamlined. It's the most retail-esque leveling process where it doesn't involve a bunch of
running and a bunch of nonsense or prior game knowledge. Whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold
Hold up, hold up, we got action, we got action.
Like there's a lot of them, yo, he's baiting us, he's baiting us.
This guy's a boo-coo sweat, he's got 1,500 health.
He's got double my HP.
Yo, this is bad, man, this is looking unturnable.
This is looking really unturnable.
Where is anybody?
Are you guys f**king kidding me by the way?
Are you guys serious?
All of you snipers!
It's 20v1. It's literally 20v1. I can't turn my question.
I don't know what I'm saying.
Yo, Chibiti!
Nope, these guys are all sniping.
Look at this layer, we need to layer out.
We need to switch layers, this is unplayable.
20 people here, that's what it takes to kill a hunter.
seriously they didn't have every single person there's no way we've got a
layer switch this guy's so inviting I layered I layered
I'm good
What is this?
You just trolled the shit out of me.
I'm on this garbage layer again.
Yo, okay, the layering is cooked.
Yo, okay, how are we switching layers on no cooldown and it randomly switches when you
invite someone or join someone or leave. I just spawned into this layer. Do we
think they're gonna fix the layering?
He'll invite for that save? Bro you are level six. Not to get this guy to kill. No
they're gonna have to fix that. There's no way.
We go straight to Darnassi for a Talbar Mantle.
I have the perfect Hearthstone for it.
We'll class the most in Drowbaugh, like Rogue, like Hunter, like Warlock, all of these things.
Weird my first cap was named Stripes.
That's a pretty great name.
That's a pretty great name, I'll tell you that much.
Yeah, we gotta get training.
Dude, level 20 is so big for us, aspect of the cheetah.
It's crazy I have 600 health and that hunter had 1500 health.
I like the name, bro.
The pain below, just I suffocate it.
The fog is on, man.
This is our hunter trainer in Dornassus.
Or tell Dressel.
Look at this chick's name, Tiny Boat.
Nice view, isn't it?
It is my sir.
My yacht is pulling up in a second.
I can take you somewhere nice.
What a hear a joke.
Why did they call it an Xbox 360?
when you play it, you turn around and walk away.
I've never heard that one.
This guy is talking about 20 year old Joe's, this chick, right?
And then I just said to her, my yacht is pulling up.
I can take you somewhere nice.
I'm in their name is tiny boat and I said my big-ass boat is about to pick us up like I own the boat and
She didn't get it
Maybe Fendi era maybe she maybe she knows
Like your name it's it's powerful
Slashpoint so I got two chicks next to me right now. It's crazy
What do you mean, L Larker?
Well, this is like me at BlizzCon on the couch.
Right?
Nice kitty.
Slash Pet Stripes.
My boat might be tiny, but my soul is gigantic.
Yo, alright.
These, these, this is, I gotta get away from these people right now.
This is not good.
We should have even started a conversation here.
This is bad.
This is definitely a misplacer.
I'm stuck here now waiting for the boat for these people.
I mean, what are we doing?
Like, I can't go anywhere here.
Where's the boat, man?
Go, I'm not gonna jump in the water.
See, like, sit, man, this is obviously a dew, right?
Core deck prime is a dew, right?
Lil Senya, this is, this is, this is, I don't know,
could be either, or Nermsperm, obviously a dude, right?
My boat has arrived.
You're all welcome aboard for a 10 silver fee each.
You guys ever try to start putting a little anchovy
on the boat?
You guys like that?
This guy's an Olympus Ex-ai, bro I've heard that Olympus Guild has 30,000 members, is
that true?
You guys think there's not 30,000 people in the game?
I thought there was millions on the game.
Why do they keep repeating this terrible joke?
I gotta go up.
Give me off the spot.
How was that Xbox 360, guys?
I heard that joke literally 20 years ago, like.
I
Messed up and ventured win seeker idle and now they might counts brick winning your account is bricked
The people explain to the joke guys those that don't get the joke when you say why do you call it an Xbox 360?
Because when you play it you do a 360 and walk the other way
That's the idea is when you do a 360 degree turn, you're facing the same way you originally
started at.
If you did a 180 degree turn of a count, it's going the opposite direction.
For those that don't know that, maybe Europeans don't know those metrics or something.
But yeah, that joke came out back when the 360 was new.
So that's like an old-school meme.
Yeah.
Oh, we need some this here.
We need some this here.
Ha ha ha ha.
No, you're not stupid if you laugh.
you're just you're just understanding the joke.
Bye bye.
Gonna change the entire side of your 20.
I'm about to go learn some new spells in a second here.
here.
Hey guys, watch off and on for like maybe three or four years, actually I don't watch
it, just click.
I think you're not having any decorations for this long, it's a bit psychotic, not even
one.
I can't believe how many people comment on my setup.
That's Tal-bar, by the way.
Intellect's down to MP5 as a Hunter.
Biss.
Very Biss.
Hold on.
Hunter trainer.
Oh!
Aim shot.
New Arcane shot.
Aspect of the Cheetah.
Distracting shot.
Disengage.
Dual wheel the freezing trap and then pet come on come on guys. I mean, what are we saying?
Oh man, this is big
I don't know if these are even even in the bar.
Was that everything we got?
Aim shot?
Is aim shot gonna be good?
Wow.
33% movespeed with aspect machina.
My god
How insane is that
Where's the pet trainer oh
You're right 37 I can upgrade it even more I can have another point in this too
My pet can't learn any of this, let's figure it out.
Alright, we'll have to get the pet all updated instead of tomorrow.
Our hunter is now 20.
We can start acquiring this and actually see what this class is like in PvP very soon.
But for now, we have to call it GG's.
Thank you all for insane, insane day on the channel.
The subs, resubs, news subs, and get the subs to everyone being here all day and night
long.
We're back tomorrow, around 3PM, maybe a little earlier,
but for now, CGs, and I'll see you guys tomorrow.
Peace!
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