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09-24-2026 · 8h 10m
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Hello.
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Good morning everybody. Hello, hello.
Alright, and... Oh, Kim's already on. Excellent.
Yo.
Hmm...
It's a 2000 playlist? It kind of is. It's always has been. Good morning everybody.
Uh...
Early.
Very early.
If you're doing SFK or another Wayland caverns, I'm down
Well, I need to hit level 20
Gay skit so whispered me nice. What a gamer
There's a lot of things I need to do
That I had no fish
Let me think
I'm wondering where I should start I could do Wayland caverns really quick. We're not Wayland caverns. Sorry
bfd and get all the quests for that I
could just try and take four hunters and
just solo it not solo it but cheese it
my dog just fart oh oh oh oh get out get
out that is brutal oh that is that is
brutal out out come on dogs Jesus
fucking they're like God that was painful so there's a couple things I need to do
and I might just fucking level a different character I already started
leveling a hunter I'm playing that off-screen with Vicky but I could level
a different class I just don't know what it would be or I can keep gearing my
which I'll be honest I kind of want to keep gearing my druid for a bit at least
kind of try and get there yeah I think I start with some BFD here Warlock
Priest warrior all honestly all solid options but I'm gonna gear for now I
think it's a BFD angle because I need to get 20 before I saw the wailing caverns
are still through it. If you're doing tailoring, I got this. I'm not doing tailoring. What
is this? Oh, he's on his hunt. Look, look, he fears, he fears my pet, but he's appearing
over here. So it's like, where the hell is that's why I'm saying like, I have no idea
where the guy was standing because it was like, it looks like he's here, but he's invisible
or something and he's saying he figured this out with Shadow Meld, that's why that duel
was so fried, I was like I can't attack this guy.
What?
Oh my god, okay I see what he's saying so there's like a bug with Shadow Meld or something?
The priest is over here right?
But the pet just got...look at where the pet's attacking, look at the beginning, look at
the pet's attacking.
What's him saying?
Yeah, no, look, look.
How do you do that?
I don't know, weird.
Model and in-game avatar are in different places, yeah I guess.
You might find this funny, oh god.
this guy's guild, wait, this guy's name is Special Ompus?
And he spelled it wrong.
What is it?
Is this a main guild for Olympus?
I think it's also Olympus guild trying to bypass the Olympus Mute add-on,
so they don't want to have the name Olympus fully.
Crafty.
Are these guys making fun Olympus?
Are they in the guild?
What's going on here?
Jesus Christ.
That's crazy.
It's for VIP members, hopefully.
Fuck, that's funny.
But yeah, I needed to run BFD.
Does anyone want to go to BFD in the game, or should I start making a group?
I'm going to heal it, obviously.
Hunters in particular are the best here,
Because y'all can hit higher levels
Yeah, it looks like I'm making a group let's go to BFD or no slosh who oh
Never mind I got some BFD. All right lick on balls
Jet bandit geared hunter will go after this SFK. All right. That's three hunters. Then I need a tank
Anyone can work because I can give them thorns and it'll help them hold threat.
But I prefer like a warrior or a paladin. Paladin would be even better.
Oh, Stars wants to go. Oh shit, okay, Stars. We'll bring Stars in.
He's level 17? You fucking idiot.
fast as frick any paladins just so we can you retribution aura I feel like it's
gonna be better for threat holding let me look slash who through browser
Dungeons, Whaling Caverns. How do I... Can I not look for BFD?
The BFD1 quest needs level 18, I believe it.
There's a warrior tank, do I just take him?
How is gear?
Because BFD's AIDS.
This guy's name is I am gay.
This guy, he's in a guild called Gay Dudes.
This might be the fucking one.
I'm gonna invite him.
This might be solid.
Alright, uh, and then we are waiting on, didn't I invite a hunter?
scrunks for waiting for his BFD. Where do I take to B's knees?
Okay, let's take to B's knees.
Do we have the quests?
Okay, never mind work is calling re good luck gamer sorry
unfortunately
okay back to needing a tank we lost i am gay
enhancements are in go ahead replace well park
kia bada
right
if these aids
uh... omega aids
where are the quest from it
checking
available use the damp note dropped by a black fathom tide priestess I need to go
to Ashenvale this is gonna be a bit of a run for me so let's go crossroads and
start running actually let me do a little bit of begging does anyone have
any money they don't need because I can make two crafted this pieces but I need
money. I can make these healing plus 10 in damage but I need two small
lustrious pearls and then I can make these boots as well so I need five
small lustrious pearls. How much are those? 38 each. Yikes. Can I buy two of them
for one piece okay I can buy it I have 24 copper left but all right I can make a
piece something
I got you with the rest how much do you need three we invite gay skits out if you can help
me out otherwise I'm gonna go from school and broke
I'll take 15 silver.
That's almost one or half a pearl right there.
T.Y.
There you go dog.
T.Y. bro.
T.Y.
Is there any damage or a healing?
Hold on.
Three.
Uh, let me see the medium like armor and chance.
Is it damage and healing?
Mystic.
Spell power value by two.
Is there no healing?
there's not shit Ziko clip
so that yes guys so that ditched me he made me he made me roll TBC guys and I
told him are you gonna quit like usual after one month he's like no no no no
until only thanks to me but only things I canceled TBC I got nothing else going
But only things are canceled. I roll in a I roll in a this motherfucking lucha DST and then installed that force out of the game
quick and
Then he ditches only things three as well on top of it
Then I'm like all right. Well fuck playing TBC on an a so I'll play
I'll play on EU so I'll play on EU then I run into him at bliss calm
He ditches me at this at this calm
Then I make an alliance on beta
He's not wrong about anything. He just said he's really not
If you want to kick a random welcome BFD, I needed to
I don't know if I want to kick the guys at this point. They're running there. Oh
shit
Okay, let's get my three pearls to why
Was that snake there's a snake fucking there my man to why
Okay, plus three. I can buy my pearls. This is enough for the pearls. I appreciate it. Thank you. Fuck yes.
Blue buy three small lustrious pearls. Oh wait, didn't this presay he had them?
He might already have- maybe I don't buy the pearls.
Do you have pearls or gold? So I know if I should just buy the pearls. Fuck he has the pearls already. Okay.
Okay, he's flying here. Okay. Well fuck, what a medium armor kits like there's do I just
do stamina or I guess I do spell power. I guess I do spell power. I'm done with the
the beta? Uh, okay, sure. I'll take your gold, gamer. New WoW Debs podcast. Is that going
on right now? Oh shit.
Okay, hello. Here we are.
Wait, with Zarya you? What?
What the fuck?
Welcome to the very first wow forever podcast. So we've got oh shit
Okay, so it's not a live stream
All right, all right, hang on let me just enchant some stuff here
Loves our bis so I leave that on what am I trying to make now?
Boots
wisdom boots so that's what the pearls I need three more cured light hide can I
do that now I'm gonna watch that whole one-hour thing in a second but I am in a
group so I just I feel bad making them wait
Okay, so I need some salt.
Nice, ditch the group.
Ugh.
Oh, shit.
Bro, you just have everything. Thank you.
Alright, I don't go do that then.
Now I see the pearls and pristine leather.
Do I not have the pristine leather for this?
Yes, I don't.
Go buy that real quick unless that druid's gonna run over here as a snake with pristine leather. He's fucking flying
He's snaking around
Thanks, dog
All right fucking snake guy I'm unemployed
Well, you know what I appreciate that I meant, okay, so then the small luscious pearls are on the priest
Uh, oh here's gay skitso with the pearls. Nice. Thank you. Nice to make the boots.
So is there anything I need to make from leatherworking besides the helmet? But that requires level
20, so I'm waiting anyways. What's the best place to farm those pearls? Honestly, it might
be Red Ridge or something. Okay. Two spell power. Noise. Chest piece is SFK. Pants is
DfD I think that's it
Okay, let me make sure I have all the mats for the helmet one second the helmet requires
Medium leather eight I have that cured medium hide
How many of them
Two, so I have to go cure this medium hide. Okay, so it's too salt, that's fine.
Um, pristine leather four.
Okay, minus 15 silver, that's fine. Fine thread, small lustreous pearl four. Oh god.
Shit, it's fucking pricey.
Oh!
You have 16 from Snake.
16 what?
That's cured light hide.
So that's a little different.
And that's it. Okay.
So let's go buy some salt.
Cure the medium hide, and then fly over.
Do I have enough? Yeah, I do.
Alright, and then we're gonna run over to that fucking location.
Damn
Fine thread to
First podcast is up I know when was this posted seven minutes ago damn, okay
There's an alliance on the road to BFD. I'm sure there is. Is this good for you?
This pattern, that's what I'm currently using. I'm going healing gear on this
character over the other stuff.
How are you going to PVP with healing gear?
Well I was looking at the math behind it.
Let's look at the helmet in particular.
So the PV or the other spell damage helmet is increased spell damage and healing by 10.
No, increased spell damage and healing by 9.
This increases healing by 17 and damage by 6.
It's pretty close.
The healing is kind of nuts.
I think you squeeze more value out of the healing,
because it's not just healing, it's healing and damage.
Less damage, but close.
The boots, for example, increases healing done by 11
and damage done by four.
The other boots would be damaged by six.
I don't know.
I think the healing gear might be squeezing more value out.
Either way, I'm gonna run here.
Here's what I'll do.
While I'm running here, I'm going to capture this video so you guys can have this on while
I'm just running there, because I'm sure you guys don't care about watching me run to BFD.
Okay, here's the video, right?
So we'll go ahead and crop this motherfucker.
We don't care about any of the other shit, right?
All right, and then we will expand this to about here.
That's some awesome people here. We've got Josh Corbett count down to classic
Tim Jones lead classic designer. They're excited to be here. Thanks for having me Josh. Yeah, awesome. And we've got another Josh
Zaryu
Hey Josh, thanks for having me guys. Yeah, we were Tim. I'm sorry. You're outnumbered. We got we got a lot of Josh
It's a Josh again up in here. I
Don't know what to do. I'm outnumbered
Curious what they're gonna talk about
Mr. Countdown to classic Josh Corbett kind of emcee this thing for us and kick us off. So why don't you get it going Josh?
And do your job. Absolutely. Thank you, Josh. Look guys, I figured that we'd start with talking about, I don't know,
Oh, it's gonna get cringe real quick. Don't you worry about that. And the pre-show that guy,
they're talking in their ear saying, Josh, and I'm like, I don't know, they're talking to you either.
It's great. It's the world's worst who's on first bid.
But um guys look let's talk about what we're doing in game real quick just to get into this one
Um, I know that we've all been loving the heck out of this beta. You know, I've got a warrior to 20
I've got like four level 10s. I'm getting into everything. I love it. Zah you tell us what you've been doing, buddy. I
Been doing little else besides playing the beta. I'm actually logged in right now in iron for John. I should say that
Yeah, I see to make sure, you know, my options are selling check the mailbox, you know, it
is what it is, but I've been playing a lot. I've been loving it. My character is almost
full blues. I have like one, one green cloak. I still need the replace because Mr. Soda Poppin
is always like trying to get me to inspect his mentioned instantly how good I think his
gear is. So that's, I've got to catch up to him. So that's what I've been doing. It's
been a blast.
I think we're legally obliged to say how good is Soda's gear on this stream.
He made me say it.
Bro, you should come up and rent free gear.
I'm like, okay, man.
Yeah.
Wow.
Really impressive, dude.
Cool.
Very good.
Yeah.
Very good.
Now look onto the devs.
Like I was saying to you guys before we started recording, like you've been so crazy
because making this game, every role that you haven't had.
So have that character.
It's probably still more gear than his.
not so fast. What are you doing, Agrant?
Yeah, I've got a couple of characters going. I got a Druid, got to level 20 last night.
So we, hold on. So they are playing Druid. So they know how fucking fucked it is. He
should know. Anyways, fun. I've run all the dungeons. I snuck into Runes of Lordaeron with
an intrepid band of adventurers. I'm playing Alliance. I'm sorry for hoarding joyers, but
Yep, did Dead Minds did Hall of Fanes, which man, man, what a banger. So good. So good. But yeah,
I'm having a lot of fun also working on on dead Paladin now as well.
Right. So Tim, does that mean we can't like start with hold back our slings and arrows? And now we
can't accuse a grand of all the Paladin bias and now it's Druid bias or what's going on?
Druid bias, my asshole.
The short straw so that's all right
Yeah, I've been I've been keeping myself busy too, you know I on our internal alpha I I leveled a bunch of characters
I got a hunter to level 60
Played a hundred hours. Yeah on our alpha
So during the beta now, I've managed to get a human warlock to 20 have run hall of thanes
got my got my spell damage dagger and no I've just been really enjoying watching
people engage with the game I've I've run these zones so many times internally
that I know all the quests back and forth so I'm really excited to just like
watch people find rare mobs that we've placed in the world find quests that
that we've added sat down at campsites with people it's like hello fellow
gamers. How are you doing? Imagine what you'd like to benefit from this buff that I'm putting
down. How about we form a group together? It really talks like that. Yeah, no, it's really awkward
and cringe. But no, it's awesome seeing people engage with all these systems that we've made.
It's been a lot of fun. Cam sites are working. Yeah. People are actually like sitting, taking
the time to sit there before a dungeon, like, oh, make sure to get all your buffs. It's like,
Look at this editing. That's what they're supposed to do. They're actually doing that. So I'm happy with them
Yeah, we did this like internal study thing
It was like the first time we'd really had a large group of people playing and I remember whenever I was looking at
I was like on a GM account watching it. I was looking at the
Local chat and that one for us and it's like hey, I've got a I've got a sharpening stone here
If somebody wants to come put this thing down outside
It's like, oh, I'll be right over. I'll drop a fishbowl. It was just like yes, it's working and it's like this
It's a macro scale now, it's incredible.
It's kind of like a little microcosm of world buffs,
you know, everyone would gather together in Orgammar,
but now it's like, you got your little shanty town
in Goldshire now that people congregate in,
and it's really fun.
I've loved it, I've loved it.
We'll definitely touch on that again if we can later on,
but I did love Tim, we'll get to the first topic,
but I did love Tim's, you know,
sly little humble brag slash flex there.
Was he running around the office doing world first 60?
No, I was third.
We have some extremely passionate people at our company
who've like, I think, someone has like four level 60s
that they got on the alpha.
So keep in mind that Blizzard is always hiring
the best players.
I still, like they've got fucking Hoodrich there.
They've got Talbadar there.
They've got sodas, like people that compete in BlizzCon.
so i'd imagine they also have the same situation with their fucking autistic
speed levelers
they've got some crazy fucking good gamers in that fucking
company
like working there
probably cedar quay well yeah shout out to matt cedar quay's that matt cedar
quay's lead producer on diablo uh... diablo legacy
very good very good
guys
we'll bring up the first topic that i wanted to sink our teeth in to here on
this first episode
of the wow forever podcast.
Look, the sky born, we would be remiss not to lead off
with such a huge topic.
Everybody is discussing this thing.
Opinions are left, right, up, down.
A lot of people are loving it.
A lot of people have a lot of feedback on it as well.
It's been really hard to kind of miss this discussion
that's been going on and it really is reminiscent
of what happened many, many years ago
with the introduction of the draenei
and everything if you were around back then,
you'd be seeing a lot of parallels.
Agrand, if I can get you to kick us off and just say,
you know, I'll start with you because I believe
the Skyborne are kind of near and dear to your heart.
What's been your reception of all the feedback so far?
You know, it's kind of like this full circle.
Hold on.
Poof.
What's been the reception of the feedback of SkyEls?
What do we think he's gonna say?
It's just a blood elf remove the dog thing is I'm I'm on the side. I want the sky elves
I like them. I am happy as a druid player that I have a race I can play or another race
I can play on each faction
Druids don't get a lot of fucking choices. What I'm upset about is how fucking weak and pathetic they are
So let's see what he says
moment because I was just a wee lad, you know, just a normal kind of didn't work at Blizzard.
I was just a player. I kind of refused to call them Draenei for like the first year. I'm like,
no, they're Eridar. They're not Draenei. They're Eridar, you know, and so it's definitely a full
circle moment to see people kind of be a little divided on this. You know, it's one of those
things that's like, it would be disingenuous to say that we didn't expect a little bit of a little
bit of a divided opinions on it, right? But like, you know, I don't know, we have a really cool
story to tell the team really believes in it you know kind of the our narrative leadership like
Chris Metz and all those guys really believe in it and like it's it's one of those things that's
like it's easy to say trust me but you know it's it's it's gonna go in a really awesome place and
I think over time people will kind of come to understand what we're we're going with it okay
I actually trust well team we will love it's fine because
was giving the presentation on stage at BlizzCon,
and Grand was there presenting everything.
We were laughing about, oh, no, they broke the glass
and ripped out the medicine seal of approval on this one.
Tell us a little bit more about how that came about.
You know, there was initial ideas of playing it safe
and going with like, well, there's
the obvious locations that we want to expand our world into.
Like you saw my slide at BlizzCon where I outlined
different sections of the world, like Gilneas is on there,
Uldum is on there, Qualphalos is on there,
and those are places that we do want to go to.
But I think we've said that there's different types
of content that we want to make for this game.
There's the expected, the new but familiar,
and then there's the more unexpected
or exotic type of content.
And Metson really challenged us to not play it safe
with the Skyborne.
And we really wanted to put,
with that permission and guidance from Chris,
we really wanted to make it feel like a race
that truly belonged in the classic world.
And I think people are realizing that, you know,
after watching the deep dive panel that Josh did
and the found photographs panel
and then actually playing it on beta,
they can see like, wow, this story is really rich.
Who are these characters that have connections
to other versions of Warcraft?
And I think people are getting a little more comfortable
with the Skyborne.
I think when also just to kind of add on to that like I think whenever we started like when we were looking at what content
We wanted to do first. It's like yeah, I mean that's maybe that's a little hopium
Sorry to take away from the podcast
But any BFD gamers out there have done this on horde how many quests to give blue gear on horde side?
Because I'm looking at this and I just want to confirm I
See there's one and then I see two and you can't grab this one
So is it just two I
Had to okay, all right. Well, let's continue the video. Sorry
Like we could totally just check all the boxes right like you know
I think we've all anyone who's sort of been a classic plus wisher for years and years has all their sort of things like like what he mentioned
Like Gilneas Quothalas, you know ash Ashara crater or all these different things and you know
It's like we're gonna get to all that stuff eventually and we could have started by just checking all the boxes
But I think one of the things we realized really early on is like we're gonna run out of that content if we do that if we if we
Go too aggressively at it. And so it's like, you know, let's let's take a swing for the fences here like right out the gate
You know and and I think whenever you could sort of look at the this sort of entire tapestry of whatever everything
We've gotten a game. It's like a pretty small portion of it is the sky born
You know what I mean and there they have a starter zone
You kind of go you level the 12 and you're sort of done and that was important to us too
we wanted to make sure that it wasn't something that was really like you had to go there every week to farm materials or to
raid or anything like that. And yeah, you know, it's one of those things that that we really hope it kind of everybody ends up kind of
growing on them and they come around through it. And I don't know, like, like, like what Tim said, is as people, more people play
through it, I'm getting a lot more messages. So like, okay, you know what, man, I was a little skeptical, but I kind of get it.
It's like right and honestly it's it's okay if not
Thoughts on that
Cap cope I I don't think he's entirely wrong. I think he's I
Do think the Sky Elves people are not getting like if you think about when they first announced it compared to now
It's whatever like it's gone way down initially. It was just like blue blue bad blue
But then I think a lot of people are actually playing the starting zone don't care that much
They're like, oh, it's fine. Whatever who cares one thing that people are not
Very fond of is how they look and especially how the druid forms look
That to me is like the that that has not calmed down
everything else has
But just how they look in the art style
But like the lore and all that is, I don't know, whatever is how I see it. Either way, everyone is completely enthused.
I would rather there be people that are extremely excited and passionate or just like it's not for them rather than for them to be like, meh, I don't really care.
So having people that have extreme positions either way, like that's a good sign to me. Totally.
Hmm. Zaheer, if I can throw it to you and just say, look, I think Tim raises a really
good sort of key catchphrase there in terms of playing it safe. Mate, have you had the
opportunity to play through the Skyborne starting zone and did you get the impression that they
weren't quote unquote playing it safe with that zone?
Okay, Skyborne. This is a big one. So I'm streaming all day and I'm here in lots of
stuff from both ends. People love, um, hate, um, their opinions, this and that.
Fuck, I'm going to interrupt again. You know what? I can, I know Zaru is like the PG guy,
but I, I know he's going to like shit talk things, right? Not shit talk. Yeah, they'll
shit talk, but he'll be really nice about it. Regardless, isn't that kind of fucking sick how
the devs are willing to put a fucking podcast of Zaru going up, talking so openly about the,
I can't wait to hear what he says. It's gonna be a little diplomatic, but that is awesome. I love that
Let's see what he says. Um, I guess we'll go for like the the positive first like
What I really appreciate is that and you guys talked about this in one of your I think it was you a grand
I won't say josh because it's confusing
On one of your panels and you talked about the lower basis of wow forever
And it's like this isn't going to affect mainline
And this isn't going, any of the lower decisions we make here
isn't going to just shatter the world
and retcon everything that we've learned from Warcraft 3
or from going into retail.
So it's like, that is like the first really cool thing.
It's like, you now have creative freedom to do stuff.
And something like this shows that,
okay, we can actually just like create a story.
And you saw that you show this in original like
and drawings and like creating a really cool story.
It's like, that's why we're all wow fans after all.
It's a really great story.
It's a really great game.
So I think that's the positive side.
Here we go.
You know, just a,
here we go.
Come on.
There's been some negative with it too.
Come on.
I think the big one for a lot of people is the blue, right?
The blue kind of brings them to Kyrian.
It brings them to Shadowlands.
It brings them kind of like a little Shadowlands PTSD
of like, oh no, you know, retconning and this and that.
And I think that's where people are, you know,
maybe shying away is literally just like the blue visual.
I was actually talking to my chat and I was like,
what if they didn't make them blue?
And everyone's like, oh, that'd be better.
And I was like, really?
It was like the blue.
And then the SDHD thing too, right?
A lot of people play SD.
The world is SD.
So, you know, the HD model.
But I'd say that's more of like the negative side,
but as people have been playing it and checking it out,
I've been hearing it less and less.
So I think it is very similar to this drawn-eye situation
that you brought up, Countdown,
where it's like this knee-jerk response
to something new that you're not used to.
It's like, that's not, wow, Lore.
And then, Agrend, you brought it up.
It's like, well, actually, these are a high-born variant.
And this is how they got there.
And we can tell new stories.
And it's like, oh, okay, right?
So I think it's kind of settling in.
But I'm hearing a lot on both sides.
Me personally, I really like elves.
I'm not as big of like an ogre fan.
I think I always, I played a blood elf
for a long time on retail.
I've had a lot of like just blood elf characters.
I think they look cool.
So I was really happy.
But I definitely am like an SD character model insurer.
And you know, I do like high elves and stuff too.
So like I'm kind of like, okay, I see both sides here.
Right?
Yeah.
If I can frame this to you, so it's piggybacking off of that, but encapsulating it in this question,
sort of saying, throwing it to you at grand, that what Zayu just said is something that we're hearing
so much about fit. It's all about does this fit in this world? And so many people were expecting,
you know, oh, they're just going to rip off that, you know, they're going to send out the
high elves and the goblins or something that quote unquote fits in the classic world. Talk to us
about this decision and the fit. Yeah, you know, like, I was just honestly, you took the words
out, I was about to cut in with this, but like, no, the one of the things that we spend a lot of
time on is we have a really great lore team that has is essentially has encyclopedic knowledge of
all things, Warcraft lore, I bet they do. I spend probably too much of my time badgering them for
answers and clarifications and making sure that I'm not about to write ourselves into a narrative
hole and they were they were incredible for this and we we worked with them
super closely to make sure that this really was something that that if you
you know take the time to read the quests read the red lure books if you
can find them they're kind of hidden but they're there it's it's something that
we we wanted to make sure that we weren't just kind of throwing darts at a
wall to see what would stick this is something we invested a significant
amount of time and effort into making fit into the lore and especially what I
I mentioned in the Q&A the other day
that we kind of jokingly were joking about Thunderfury
plus the Windseeker.
But no, there are original WoW stories
that we really want to expand on.
I think that's the great promise of Classic Plus
is being able to sort of finish some of those unfinished
and how they fit lore-wise.
It's just the models.
All the Warcraft history and expand upon them
in ways that are exciting and give them
really satisfying payoffs.
And I think, again, I don't want to spoil it too much.
I think we've probably already kind of tipped our hat a little bit, but like, like where it goes,
I think it's going to have a really satisfying story to pay off. And again, I'm a lore nerd.
I'm a narrative nerd. You know, it's stuff I really dig. And I'm excited. And I don't know.
I think that's the best I can say is I'm really excited. I don't know. I think you guys are
going to earn for a ride. It's going to be like, don't be wrong. I care about the lore, but like,
I'm not gonna, I would not be upset if they added in Sky Elves, and they made lore around it,
like I just don't care, cool, awesome, it's just how they look. That's it. And the druid forms in
particular are the worst. The visuals and stuff like that, like, yeah, totally. But it's all pretty
fun. I think whenever we wrote it as well, like, I think it was like, we didn't really,
I don't think actually intended for the blue elves to be such a big part of it, but it's so
striking visually, that it's like, oh yeah, let's show a lot of blue elves. And it's like,
maybe that wasn't the right call, I don't know. So it's just one of those like,
maybe if we had a time machine, we might have done that a little bit differently, but I think
it's going to play out. Okay, Tim, if I can get you to piggyback just as we round this one out.
One of the bigger talking points on the Skyborne as well is the decision to make them,
you know, they have the ability to choose the faction that they play on.
So, like, tell us about a little bit about the background of the development.
I care about that either way.
What's there a conversation about, oh, we'll roll out two races and one's horde, one's alliance,
or was it always, no, we'll just do the one to save content for later and give them the split decision?
It's been slightly controversial, the split decision tree. Talk to us about that.
You know, I think, like, if you look at our team and you look at the history of the classic world of war,
team, we try to do a lot with very little.
And you can see that gradually over the projects
that we've worked on and had responsibility over,
like from Season of Mastery to the original
Burning Crusade Classic to Hardcore,
Season of Discovery, Wrath,
our anniversary servers, Season of Discovery.
We're slowly increasing the amount that we can add
add to the game with the resources that we have.
And so I think, wow, forever has turned into something amazing
and gigantic, but it comes from humble beginnings.
And I think it's, in terms of coming up
with the reasons why we would do Horde and Alliance
for the Skyborne, I think that there
was coming at it from like a class perspective,
I think part of the narrative that was really compelling
to us was that part of these people are divided
on their beliefs and the type of magic
that they feel comfortable using.
And we really thought it was compelling
to have that divide between these elves
that are more in tune with using arcane magic
to solve their problems and these elves
that are more naturalists,
that are more in tune with shamanistic side of things.
And so we thought that that was really cool to,
I mean, I don't think that that's ever been done
in a World of Warcraft before, is divide a race
and restrict the classes that they can be based off
of their, whether they're horde reliance.
So, yeah, kind of ran with that.
Yeah, when we are also talking about the faction split too,
was really important that we get a certain tone.
I think, I'll just be honest, when
I was playing through Missa Pandaria,
just sort of at a kind of high level,
it was always a little, I never really quite understood
the faction divide between the two Pandaren factions.
But for this, it's like really ingrained in the story
that these guys do not get along.
There's like one point in the story,
I don't wanna like spoil it, but there's one point
where you as a lion, you have to go talk
to the horde faction leader, and she's like,
oh hey, thanks for the message.
By the way, if we see you in the world, when we leave, we're going to kill you.
And like, we really wanted to play up that sort of like, you know, war and
warcraft kind of thing with these guys.
And that was something that was really exciting.
It also led us, I mean, it, obviously it's, it's useful for us to
offload the, the Horde, um, the wind shaper skyborne into the, the new
earth and ring area and, and Moolgor, but, and, and the Alliance into Dalaran.
But it gives us an opportunity to play up those factions too.
Like the Earth and Ring and the Kirin Tor weren't really that big of factions
with quests and content and reputations and
and attaching those reps to the Skyborne.
Really, it opens up.
We're always looking for opportunities to open up new gameplay avenues.
And if we don't necessarily capitalize that at the launch,
and it opens that up to future patch content.
So.
OK, I think a lot of finishing up on you guys either.
Yeah, I think a lot of the stuff of the Skyborne
when you start talking about it and you start getting into the lore
and you start doing the quest and you start like understanding it,
it makes like so much sense.
It's like, OK, got it.
But I think a lot of it is just like this.
You look at it, need your response sticker, sticker,
Shackle, blue elves, right?
Sticker, I think it's it's very easy
to just like instantly pick on and be like, Oh, you know, I don't like that.
And then, you know, it's like fair enough.
But once you actually start to play it, I think it does feel a little bit
different, which is cool.
Um, and I think a lot of it is just visual for people.
Like I said, with the Kirin, Kirin, the blue Kirin, um, zone and, uh, with the,
with the HD models, like it's just purely visual, right?
And besides that, like I think a lot of the lore and a lot of the story is
like really cool. And then, and the fact that they're high
alpharium. So it's like, yeah, man, I think a lot of people are
pretty happy with that stuff. And especially as you play more
if, if I can keep you rolling on that. So I'm glad you jumped in
because I was going to get you to finish us up on this one on
that visual note that you've just brought up. You know, I'll
tell a funny story again from pre recording. Zagi was asking
us like, Hey, guys, like, can I be honest on this podcast? And
we're laughing. You have to lie. Sorry, in the interest of
Can I be honest?
I mean, just in brutal honesty, Zahiyud the Druid Forms is something that a lot of people
are talking about.
Tell us what you think in all honesty of the Druid Forms.
Here we go.
Okay.
Great question.
So from what I've heard you guys talk about, I granted Tim, is that the Druid Forms, like
you basically like have taken it to your artists and you made them basically like make them
look less pretty and like make the edges sharper and stuff like that.
So it looks like it fits in the classic world
and you've gone back a few times
and you've done this process, which is really cool.
From the feedback I'm hearing is that they're still a bit
high fidelity for the SD world.
Like people still want it more like classic looking.
When I look at it though, like,
I don't know if it bothers me like a ton,
but yeah, some of it might be a little bit on the HD end.
Of course, the world is standard, like it has the classic assets, which by the way, man,
the lighting, guys, every time I'm playing every two minutes, I just, I literally just
stop running and I just sit there and I, like I've had moments where I just want to like
cry and I just see the, the like the light shining through the God rays, the water.
I'm just like, oh my gosh.
I'm like, I glaze it on stream every two minutes.
Anyway.
Yeah, I think maybe it does feel like a tad out of place,
but I've heard you guys talk about like you've already taken
it back a couple of notches.
I think people would appreciate like maybe even more,
but yeah, I think that's about how I feel about it.
Yeah, it's one of those things too.
It's like we're looking at a lot of feedback on that.
Whenever we sat out, you know, we did,
I did several interviews at BlizzCon with Jeff Parrot,
our art director, and man, he and I have spent
too many hours in calls talking and looking at pictures
and looking at renders and stuff like that.
And we really did try to downres them quite a bit,
like essentially get classicify the models to make sure
that the amount of like the texture fidelity really matched.
And I think if you look at it side by side, it does.
But I think really what a lot of the concerns are about
is like the geometry, there's extra geometry,
there's extra stuff sticking out of it.
And it's like, maybe that was something that,
that's something that I think we can look at
and we can take feedback on.
we're really taking a lot of that feedback to art.
Nothing to like announce or anything right now,
but it's definitely something we're talking about.
And I think too, one of the things about WoW Forever
is like when we first started developing it,
our sort of like, our interpretation of what like
the target art style was or target art fidelity was
has sort of changed over time.
And so like something like Skyborne,
that's actually one of the first things
we started working on.
And so I think as we've gotten deeper
into the development process,
We've sort of found that range.
We've sort of dialed in what the right kind of fidelity range is.
And it's one of those things that we're really excited about
for the future, because we know that anything else we create,
every time we create a new asset,
it's going to be closer and closer to really what that ideal is.
And again, the feedback and stuff we're getting
is excellent to help us really figure out what,
because you get spent so much time with it,
you kind of like get inured to it.
You're sort of like, you're like, oh, no, it looks fine.
But it's like, oh, actually, we do need to dial back
a little bit more.
That's awesome. That's the best part and and I'm no artist. Very good, Arton.
I'm no artist, but we our artists are getting better at making content that that looks older and
matches the the classic style. Like Josh said, it's it's been a journey and you know, it's we
do think people like underestimate it is hard or at least I would think it's it's harder to make
older looking models than it is to make like the retail looking models especially with the
modern tools that Blizzard probably has. It's actually more difficult. It's not as good looking
so isn't that easier and that's sort of like the not really the that's probably what a lot of people
think. That's just not how it is. I think it's genuinely harder. But yeah, I guess the artists
maybe learn that's cool. Surely they get in line if you all see that one reddit post with the druid
form for Skyl for whatever. That looks sick. I hope we just get that. That would be ideal.
Don't have the same tools that we had back in 2004. The technology doesn't even exist
anymore that the original artists were using. So we're going to continue trying to make
stuff better. We're relying on people to give their feedback on the beta and we'll do our
best to respond to it.
Yeah, absolutely.
That was just what I was going to piggyback on.
I think I listened to another one of those, either panels or interviews.
And I find that really fascinating.
It's like, when you tell an artist, like, oh, we want it to look like it was made in 2004.
But like, we don't have the tools that we've made it on back then,
because the software doesn't exist anymore.
But we still want it to look like that.
And like, the artist is probably sitting there, like, scratching their head, like, okay.
And then, so my wife is actually an artist.
And I was talking to her about this.
and she's like, that would be really hard to make it look like that.
But I think from a player perspective, it's like, yeah, guys,
just just make it look like it was always meant to be there.
You know, and, you know, I think that's what people of that, you know,
one is just so it cohesively fits in the world, right?
That's that's the end goal.
It seems tough to look to.
There was a there was a tweet that I read from someone who kind of did there.
There are artists that did their own rendition of what it like a sky born
bear form could look like.
And he was like, man, this is actually really difficult to do.
It's actually like, yeah, like to design down, you know?
Yeah.
Funny enough, talking about that.
Here you go, sorry.
OK, OK.
No, no, no, you go.
I was trying to put myself in the shoes of a class designer
because I think Mage is really fun, but I think it needs
like maybe a little bit of tweaking.
And I was like, OK, so if I'm the class designer, what do I do?
And I was just sitting there thinking, and it's like 48 hours later, 72 hours later, I'm still just like, I don't know.
Like, it's like, this is hard. A good thing I'm not glasses on here because like, I, it made me have a lot of respect for them.
Because it, it is taught finding just the perfect spell rotation and have it brainstorming on stream.
Like, do you guys have any ideas? Because I know I need something, but I can't quite figure it out, you know?
Yeah, so cringe. I don't think so.
You destruct ideas. It's harder to build them yourself for sure.
I mean, a lot of y'all just want me lost.
I feel like a lot of y'all just want us to already go on here and tell the devs that the game is shit and it's bad and it sucks and you should kill yourself.
And it's like, he's not doing that. What a fucking larpard glazing fuck.
And it's like y'all are fucking losers. Shut the fuck up.
Relax.
Plus, lost serious point before I move on to our second topic of the day.
guys, please, I don't know if you've even remotely considered if the sky born could be priests or not
at least, you know, hoarder screaming for another priest option. I'm being very, this is, this is deep
from my community, like screaming, please consider it, please consider it. Anyway, I will say, I will say
one thing I'll add to that, Josh, just so you is, I think I probably made a mistake narratively whenever
Because like the whole shtick with priests with the sky born is like there
It's actually priestly like like religion is bad to them. That's like the Alaketh cult are priests
Oh, and so it's like you know in retrospect. It's like damn. I should have
Maybe I shouldn't have met the matheus. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Whoops. But yeah, you never say never honestly like that's the thing about a video game
Yeah, yeah, like I hear you hoard I hear you hoard. Yeah
Very good very good guys. Let's move on to the second big topic, and I want to talk a lot. I'm gonna pause this
So the priests are complaining that they only have two races that they can pick from on the horde side, huh?
Only two can you imagine that I can't fathom what that must be like oh
You get to play undead one of the S tier races. Oh, that's one of your choices too weird. What's that like?
I have no idea. Anyways, talk off about of the tech that we're seeing in the wow forever
beta, which has been, you know, you guys have some lofty ideas, some lofty goals. We're
seeing some new things and a lot of it's really cool. Some of it's a bit wonky, but
hey, it's a beta that's literally doing what it's supposed to do and get people testing,
get it breaking and get people reporting. That's fantastic. Zahyuh, actually, if I can
get you to kick us off with this because I was really pleased to see what you and some
of the guys and girls did the other day on stream in terms of just organizing a really
big battle. Now look, I think it's fair to say that historically over the last few years,
classic WoW has, you know, somewhat struggled with large scale world PVP, but this one looked
brilliant. Tell us what you saw and did.
Okay. Lots of deconstruct here with the tech. So, yeah, we invited a ton of people on the
one layer, on Alliance and on Horde, and we just had a clash and action fail. We've kind
of wanted like this battle for action fail, season of discovery remix, and we just like
met at the two cities and clashed in the middle. First of all, it was epic. Horde did win,
We're gonna get into the specifics as to why here in a set is not okay alliance. Yeah, it was it was tough
It's not the point. We're talking about tech right now. I'm gonna need you alliance this way. Come on
Yeah, this is crazy. I don't know what happened. It was it was rough
regardless though
Okay, so
the battle itself had the least amount of lag for the
massive large scale group of people that we had there.
I was actually shocked on how it was happening.
So we've done this a ton in the past.
We did this on SOD, beta.
We've done this on like all the betas
where a bunch of streamers get together.
We invite like thousands of people.
Hopefully guys we don't ruin the servers
or crash the servers.
Sorry if we do, we try to have fun.
We stress, we were beta testing by stress testing, in fact.
So we get everyone together
and it was the least amount of lag ever.
So normally when that happens,
you press like arcane explosion and your hands just glow
and you can't do anything.
And we're like, oh, this sucks
because there's too many people and it's still kind of fun
but then everyone just kind of leaves
and it is what it is.
But this time, you know, don't get me wrong
that, you know, you saw low frames.
There was a lot of people that like literally thousand plus
or whatever, but there was like no like lag in the sense
if I pressed arcane explosion, it would go off.
And I was like, oh, this is the first time
I've ever had a large scale battle.
Grasp, thank you.
I noticed.
Wow, maybe ever, where I didn't actually lag.
So I don't know what the, like, how the tech works behind that.
But we were all like, I was on a call Savik,
Soda Poppin, Esfan, myself, a couple other people.
And it was like, we were all just like, how is this possible?
This is really cool.
I have a lot more to say about layering, too.
But I don't know if you guys want to.
We'll get there, for sure.
Yeah, okay. We'll get there. I've got it. I've got it. Hey, just rough roughly. How many people do you think so?
I'm gonna pause and this is you know, it's our it was the first content creator to go on here
But I need to take note and I don't think they'll ever let me on because I might be
I'm just not
You know right
But if they did
I'm gonna try and talk as little as fucking possible
Because the devs are there let the devs talk no no Zari's got some good points
You know you talk about it, but a whole I just I want to hear the fucking devs. I really do
I think I know it's hard to guesstimate. How many people do you think you had in that battle?
I mean it I would guess at least a thousand I mean we each had
So Hort Hort had five six raids we probably had
Was it actually like a thousand on the spot, I don't know
I'm gonna give him a spoiler. It wasn't a thousand but it was
A couple hundred at least yeah
Yeah, honestly, you know, this is one of those things that I think we it's one of those things we were hoping it would kind of organically happen
But we didn't like
There's still going to be a maximum amount of people you can have in a zone. That's just it just is what it is and
You know, you're gonna hit that number at some point
And it's like if we I think if we had gone out and said yeah, we nailed it guys like this is this is it go do a world PvP
You know, I think the first experience we weren't sure how it was gonna be
We really wanted it to be kind of organic so that we could get that organic data
Yeah, and honestly like you know, we talk about betas and stuff and when there's instability
It's like guys like we'll get more good data and six hours of the beta that we will in six months of internal like automated testing
Right and so you know seeing this stuff play out kind of how we hoped it would is is excellent and and you know obviously like
You're always like you kind of like twist you like you get kind of like
Like cross your fingers. It's gonna work and and this time it man. It's it's incredible. It is incredible
It's the best I've ever seen of any version of World of Warcraft. I've worked on I've worked on all of them at this point
basically so yeah really really easy. Are we allowed to know how many uh people are allowed
on a layer? Yeah here we go good questions are you get it out of them. It depends on the zone
because we have it configured per zone like we would rather we but it is per zone now. Yeah yeah
well it was he's gotta flip it he's gotta interview them. That was what would trigger a layer spinning
up. Get that info out there. If you hit a threshold of a certain amount of people in a certain area
zone, essentially, that's when a layer would spin out. We still kind of have that kind of a system,
but yeah, each zone, depending on the size of it, depending on where it is, if it's, you know,
likely to be a PVP flashpoint, all these things kind of go into it. Okay.
Just to keep you rolling, Granz, you know, another system that's come in that I have noticed that I
am very, very happy with, that I believe you've been very happy with as well as somewhat of a new
feature is the familiar faces popping up on your layer.
Oh man.
And like, you know, I've blatantly seeing the same names turn up.
And I, I, as soon as you guys said that on the presentation, I was just like, yes,
it's so simple and so brilliant.
Talk to us a bit more about how it's been working and your reception of that on,
on the Blizzard end at Grand.
So to explain, yes, there's a lot of layering.
It's one massive server.
But somehow the game wants to show you the same people
So it feels like you're on kind of a server, right?
So I don't but I don't know how it chooses who to show you whatever I
Don't know how it works and now I guess we're gonna talk about it. See I mean
You know you always kind of like hope it'll work out the way that you you you you think it will and
You know, I think the the first two days like three days of the beta
I ran into a guy in in Tyndall Grove, which was the like the Skyborne one through five newbie zone
I friended him to kill the the fly Queen or whatever and I saw him every
Probably six hours all through you know, Zephyrus then Westfall then dark
I ran to my dart Darkshire, you know, it's just like it's it works. It actually just works
And I think in a world where you are playing the game and you just be rolling like it running into your
your social circles, either the ones you've sort of
sort of got to social circles of people you've grouped with.
Kind of like we're e-dating.
Friendsless.
Let's fish together.
Good b-roll.
With the sun.
Alive and rich in a way that it never really
has been able to before.
And it's strange that we live in a world where we kind of do
have different server technology than we had back in 2004.
And we're always really worried about losing some of that kind
of community.
And it's like, I think we've actually managed to create
tool that is maybe the best most pure version of sort of that community building atmosphere and
it's, I don't know, I'm over the moon. Our engineers are actual literal wizards and they killed it.
Very good, very good. Tim, mate, if I can throw it to you, just on again, leaning into this whole
technical side of things. One thing, and I'd love to hear from Zayu on this as well, once you've
you've spoken to us, Tim, but one thing that has been noticeable from my guild and everyone
that I deal with in my community is the technical demand just that the application has on your
system. Whether or not this is a beta issue or this is going to be something that forever
asks of your computing requirements, the frame rates have been noticeably different.
Can you speak to us a little bit about the work that the team is doing on implementing
everything visually that, like Xayu said, is looking fantastic.
Different, by the way.
I cannot go into work.
He's a famous, this thing.
I cannot go in the entire city by computers breaks, and I have a 50-90.
Sure.
I mean, this is why we have a beta, and this is why we're going to run the beta for multiple
weeks, right?
We want people to get on there with different types of hardware.
We want to stress test our servers as much as possible, see where the performance issues
are and actively fix them. Like, I don't know if launch was a little shaky at first,
but we immediately were able to fix issues and get people online with less lag issues
with our European folks logging into the beta. There's going to be issues because there's
one beta, right? And everyone globally is logging into a single server that's not going
to be representative of how our live servers are architected, but even for them, identifying
issues that are causing performance problems for them, and solving those, and getting fixes
out, restarting our servers, and then people aren't experiencing those things anymore,
and they can go back to complaining about something else.
No, it's it's just we're actively every single day. We're meeting with, we have a meeting
at 9 a.m. Gotta hate 9 a.m. meetings, but it's important to have. And we go over everything
that's been happening on the previous day, make a plan for how we're going to address
issues that day and we are just, it never ends. We're constantly talking with each other
are on Slack on the weekends,
identifying and solving problems.
And I don't know, the game is gonna be
in a very, very good place
by the time that we finally launch.
Yeah, and to add on to that too,
like even today, like you mentioned frame rate,
like I think our engineers found an issue today
that was like, it was actually people toggling
certain settings on and off to test things
because people are like, they're playing around
with all these different settings.
And they actually found out that doing that
in a group with other people can cause issues.
And that's the kind of issue you'll, like it actually causes,
that's part of what causes your framerate
to decrease in cities.
So it's like, that's the kind of thing
that we like never really would have found organically,
because it's like literally people just so fascinated
with all the fiddly sliders that they're playing around
with them in a large group actually causes problems.
And so it's like, hey, you know, great beta,
doing it, mission accomplished.
So yeah, we hope to get more stuff like that.
Well, Guilty is charged here, Josh, that was the first thing I did when I logged in.
I opened the settings, I flipped everything on and off, and I wanted to see the difference
and all the sliders.
And then not only that, but then people are like, here's a script to turn your fog on
or off.
I want to see the difference.
So then I just started doing all these scripts and everything, and then I'm like, I'm lagging.
This is weird.
So if your friend makes that in the city, blame Josh.
are you not this challenge? Okay, that's crazy. And now it's my fault. It's just like now it's
like I'm streaming whenever I'm streaming, it's my fault too. No, so yeah, I think so today,
I actually had much higher FPS than I did like like yesterday, the day before. So maybe some
fix already went hot when live in a hot fix. So I'm looking forward to like, you know,
getting full frames and having that fixed. But like Tim said, I, you know, I expect that in a
of beta. It's not that hasn't been a big deal. To piggyback more on layering though.
Layering for it in like streamer stuff. I have like this like one experience and then
layering and seeing other faces as just like a player when I'm maybe like right now logged
in off stream or if I'm just kind of like questing by myself is like a completely different
experience. So like when I'm just like playing the game and running around I'm seeing these
familiar faces like you guys have mentioned like there was a priest that helped me on a low level
quest and and his name is like blue for some reason since I've grouped with him and I actually
think that's kind of cool because I'm like oh that's the guy that I already grouped with and his
name is blue instead of it's like a light blue instead of a dark blue or something and I keep
running by this light blue named like priest and I've seen him like 20 times and now I've like
done a dungeon with him and stuff too and like that's awesome never mind exactly of like growing
up playing on shout out to anyone on Gairithos realm originally. That was where I started.
And it was cool. It was cool. I still remember like some of the people from that realm and
you know, 20 years later. So it's cool to like kind of have that small surfer feeling
on a mega realm. So I think I think it's working. I think it's cool. As a streamer, though,
when I'm yeah, we go so hard until we like break the layers. So like we're trying to
to do that massive world PVP battle.
And then it's like, all right, the layer's full.
We can't get any more people on.
And, you know, but that's stuff that like,
these are streamer problems.
This isn't really like player problems.
So you're not going to run into, it's like,
oh, we have literal hundreds of people here
and we can't get any more kind of a thing,
or at least most of the time.
But when I'm out in the world
and I want to engage in world PVP,
I'm just like a normal layer
without forcing it against another streamer.
It's actually been really fun.
You know, sometimes I get owned,
but sometimes we're owning.
And it's like sometimes this is back and forth.
So from the PAP side of things, like,
I want to experience more, but it's been okay.
It's been kind of fun.
So pretty cool.
I think to surround it out,
there have been some average Joe things coming up.
But again, the greatest caveat that lives above
all of these conversations is guys, it's a beta.
You've heard from the devs multiple times,
this is the testing ground.
Like we know that, you know,
things are gonna come up that we can report
to these guys who can fix it.
That's great.
And I feel silly even saying it, but like the obvious things, and Zaru, I'd love to hear if you've seen this as well and your thoughts on it.
You alluded to maybe you had some constructive criticism for the layering earlier.
Definitely there's been a little bit of a disincentive to group with people because you know that, let's say you find like a rarer elite or something,
And you go, hey, mate, you want to kill this mob with me?
Yeah, sure, let's do it.
Group and the mob just disappears in front of your face.
But those are the growing pains that I'm sure you guys
are sorting out on the back end.
No, and that's a great example of an issue
that we really want to catch in a beta.
We want to make, obviously, like, nurture and protect
social experiences as one of our pillars.
We want to make sure that it feels good to group with people.
And if you're randomly getting sort of your world
refreshed around you, when both of you
are in the same place already, that's a problem.
And so that's something that we're, you know, that is as a bug where we will, we're going to endeavor to
Yeah, I haven't seen that. That's crazy.
Even watching like the payo clips where he's murdering people on the border of Duskwood and Elwyn.
Yeah, I saw that.
And you see, you see the person that he's trying to fight like fade in and out.
It's like we recognize like that's an issue.
We don't want PVP, World Organic World PVP to, to feel like I don't know if, if, if my opponent is going to disappear into another layer.
So we're taking those issues very seriously.
We're trying to come up with solutions so that that doesn't happen.
So that the illusion of you being able to,
for those phasing issues to happen, don't happen.
Excellent. Guys, last quick point on this, and then we'll move on to the final topic
for about the last 10 minutes of the show.
I'll just say it's been coming up.
Again, I would be remiss not to ask you devs.
Um, has there been any considerations are you this is near and dear to your heart any consideration of some form of classic UI toggle?
Great question
I've never heard you talk about this
Okay, my my stream is so tired of being more tired than you guys have me of me saying this my stream
like, sorry, shut up. We know you want the toggle. Like you're talking about anything else.
And I'm just like, but guys, only, sorry, I turned your stream on.
I turned your stream on twice today. Just randomly. I was going through Twitch and both times
you were like, so really sweet. Uh, unit frame would be really cool. If it's,
I don't know why it's a, it's a big deal to me. Like, you know, you know, we started the show
talking about sky born. Honestly, like some people are upset about it and some people like it,
it whatever. Like they don't bother me. It's fine. You know, like there's some things that
are a big deal for me that the UI toggle is a big deal. But you know, we always don't
give what we want. You know, yeah, it's anyway,
I'm just going to say like the UI for well forever, it's we want well forever to be its
own pillar. It's separate from classic era. It's it's separate from modern World of War
craft and part of what helps people identify immediately if you're not using add-ons and you're
watching someone stream. I think that's important. I like that he's bringing this up.
The UI having that bronze and weathered look might not be for everyone, but it helps identify
the game immediately as something different even if you're in a familiar location like Elwynn Forest.
So we thought that was really important and the beauty of WoW is that everyone has the ability
to customize their UI and so I think if it's not satisfying to you or you have a different
preference, it's going to be like it always has been. People will download add-ons and be able
to customize their unit frames, be able to customize their mini-map or their spellbook
or whatever and we're empowering people to do that. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Fair enough. I think
I think the UI add-on solution works.
I'm happy that my biggest problem can be solved by downloading an add-on.
Right?
That's cool.
My big, I actually like the new action bars and the new minimap.
I like the bronze eagles too.
I actually like the bronze theme.
I think that's cool.
Mine is the more retail unit frames and the cast bar.
I like my big too.
If those were more bronze-ified, like the other assets,
I think I wouldn't mind it as much.
But anyway, you know, I could download that, you know,
I don't want to be that guy.
It's one of those things.
This isn't classic.
This isn't retail.
It's not the same.
The firm, the fair answer from team, it's not classic.
It's not retail.
That's not to say we're not, sorry to grant.
No, it's not to say we're not going to take feedback.
Honestly, and that's the other thing too.
It's like, we want to get it to a place
where we're happy with it in the long run.
And it also accomplishes our goals.
You know, a lot of times whenever you're developing a game,
You kind of have to like, you kind of have to like make a priority level for what you kind of spend your time on and, you know,
the add-on solution does exist.
So that's one of those things that kind of impacts that calculus a little bit, but that's not to say we're not listening.
It's totally something that we take to heart.
All right.
All right.
Hey, Grand, I'll get you to kick off the last topic because I'm sure every listener wants to hear you go on a little bit of a spiel for this one.
I know I'm ready.
Here we go.
I'm excited.
Oh boy.
Let's talk a little bit about
The design philosophy behind the experience changes and how you have now we'd so much
into dungeon quests.
Here we go.
This is big.
We've seen it.
So, let me pause.
Right now, the way you level, and I was leveling a Hunter, you essentially, and it's different
for Alliance and Horde, but it's more or less the same thing.
You level to 14 and then you just start doing chain dungeons.
You go into RFC or Hall of Thanes into Wailing Caverns or Dead Minds into, well, the other
one or SFK into this and it's going to just keep chaining dungeons all the way up and that's
kind of how you do it.
It's a lot of XP.
A lot of people love that where you essentially are just, you know, chain dungeoning all the
way up.
i personally uh... viki was not happy with it why can i just question like
what you can but you're gonna have greens
and like shit gear your your weapon is gonna be half the damage
i don't know maybe there's an optimal like
swap where you do one and it's like that
we'll see what they say let's do this going into ruins of lauderon at seventeen
and a half and handing any question being nineteen and a half and all of that
stuff
people are this is a new experience tell us why you've done what you've done
Yeah, I'll start by saying this is another one of those maybe
changes that's a little bit of a sticker shock,
that when you first experience, you're like,
oh my gosh, that's so much, it's so overpowered.
And it's like, I think we were looking at charts today.
Yeah, oh, actually, I pushed my glasses up that aren't on.
We're looking at charts today.
Our analytics team gave us a report, basically,
of leveling speed.
And the average leveling time from 1 to 20 in era
is 20.4 hours, and the average in forever is 20.5 hours.
It's actually a little bit longer.
And that's literally fresh off the presses today.
We're just looking at that data.
So it's...
That data's not accurate though.
I feel like a lot more people are doing professions
and a lot more people suck at WoW Forever
than they do Classic Era.
Well, I guess sucking it while forever make them slower
But also figuring shit out taking their time
No fucking rested XP fucking with the stats and all that maybe that would make it faster. I mean again
It's not the leveling speed. It's what you do for that leveling speed is iffy
And the power scaling is it
It's one of those things that it actually does even out.
But to actually answer the question,
I think the big philosophy there, and Chris Deerhead's
a great person, we're going to have him on the show, spoilers,
at some point.
And we can probably talk about this again.
But the big intent was really to kind of get you in the world
and keep you in the world.
Like, we want you to do dungeons.
We want you to get those quests and have that ritual of,
I'm going to go, for Scarlet Monastery,
I'm going to go to Desilis.
I'm going to do the quest in the southern part of Desilis.
and I'm going to come back and talk to the guy in South Shore.
He's going to give me the bone bider quest.
That whole ritual of doing all those things is great.
But part of this game, this protective nurture
social experience, is you want to keep you in the world
as much as possible.
And so sort of like moving a lot of that experience off
of the kills and onto the quests really incentivizes you
to really want to do that.
You really want to do that, those quests.
You really want to do it at least once, maybe more times
for loot, but at least once.
And then it's not the most efficient thing to do.
And that's good and I think that's healthy.
But it's also one of those things
that we're gonna kind of like a bunch of things,
keep an eye on it.
It's like if it becomes something that's like,
man, I really would like to do more dungeons here.
I would like it if the split was a little bit different.
That's a vibe thing that we wanna keep an eye on
and make sure that we're sort of dialing in
as time goes by.
But for now, for more wrist sitting,
it's actually working pretty much perfectly.
Um, and so we're just gonna have to kind of keep an eye on it
All right
Yeah, yeah, great. Perfect. You were reading my mind. Um, okay
So I had a really cool experience where I was playing forever
And I was level 14 on a no mage
And someone in my chat
And I was in westfall and I you know started us in noem
And I someone in my chat was like you're leveling so fast. He's gonna bring up the mage
Like, interesting am I?
So I did my slash played and it was like eight hours
and 42 minutes or something.
And I was like, is that fast?
And people were like, yeah, that's slow.
That's fast, you know, that's way faster, way slow
or whatever.
And I was like, I want some data here.
And I was like, wait a minute.
I have a level 14, no mage on era.
So I logged over and checked my slash played.
I was like, let's bring out the data here.
I have the same gnome on era.
And I was like the same exact spot in Westfall
on the same exact null camp.
And I was like, where am I?
It was like eight hours, 47 minutes,
like within a few minutes of the exact same spot.
I was like, guys, look, it's literally the same play time.
And people were like, oh, okay.
And then what I actually did was I did the same AOE poll.
And I have some YouTube comment content on this
where I went in and I did an AOE pull of four mobs
on my forever, no mage at 14.
And then I logged over to Aira
and I did the same exact pull on the no major 14.
You know what I was just thinking what a fix would be
and I don't know if they need to nerf the gear.
I think this might just be kind of like a shock
that a lot of classic era people like whatever,
you get more blues at low level.
It is what it is.
And maybe it'll take away some gear dopamine,
but what they need to do is they need to bring questing
at low levels up with Dungeoning.
So maybe when you fully quest and finish an entire zone,
like say, let's go with Aberdeen,
maybe you get a blue weapon at the end of it.
Maybe that'll over saturate the gear,
but it's kind of already in there.
That's, again, they shouldn't have a fuck ton of blues
in questing left and right,
but just one piece of gear.
Like, hey, you know what?
You didn't do any dungeons,
but you fully quested this zone.
Here's this cool ass weapon you can get.
Because yeah, right now it's like what like questing I was leveling a hunter and I leveled this druid off stream to not doing the dungeons felt bad
That is a problem
That's where I'm like, I don't know about that. And so what's the fix?
You might just have to bring some of that low-level questing gear up slightly
That's my opinion. I'm sorry if this isn't as fascinating to you guys. I was nerding out on it, but I
did the same poll and the
On forever, it might have been a touch higher mana,
but it was very similar.
Like the pull looked very similar.
The mana was maybe a little higher on forever.
Quite at the end of the pull, the health was very similar,
but the pull looked, by and large, almost identical.
And I was like, because everyone was like,
oh, the forever is way easier, way easier.
And I was like trying to just alt tab
and compare between the two.
Anyway, I found this stuff really fascinating
the experience changes and like the difficulty itself. Perceptions are
kind of done. I think there's a lot of spell power on gear now is throwing
people for for a bit of a loot. Like it's very gosh. No, it's it's very
shocking. Spell power gear at low levels on tailoring and it feels good to
accumulate all that. But then you realize like all of your abilities have
been adjusted to account for for that spell power for the purpose of when
But for that, it's still upgrades now, like they actually feel very impactful for casters, which is awesome
I felt that when I got like the the the dagger from the fire elemental boss and Hall of Thames
So it's working. Good job, Chris
But yeah, I think people are just adjusting to being like, oh am I actually overpowered or is this the new norm?
And I'm actually at the same kind of progression path and and pacing as I was
if I was playing era if I can keep you rolling on that team flowing on from
this one of the other big things with the big design changes that you guys have
done with forever is obviously the prevalence of blue gear and how early
we're obtaining this stuff and how we're obtaining it you know a lot of
people are discussing this and and you've got all the points out that this
feels great oh my god all this power but also if everything is blue is nothing
blue and things like that. Talk to us a bit more about your design choices here.
Well, I mean, just to talk philosophically about just classic in general, like it's important
that there are certain checkpoints for characters and that you graduate to certain things. Like
the problems that you deal with when you're questing are very simple at first and they start
to open up as you level up. You don't really get movement enhancing abilities until you're level
20. That's when you get like Ghost Wolf, right? And in the same way, we want there to be a proper
graduation from like white gear until you get hit level 10, then you start getting some greens,
and then once you're 20, then you start getting some some blue gear.
We're getting blues at 10. This is something that we're going to tweak and play around with.
The fact that everyone is saying like, man, I'm getting so many blues. This kind of feels unnatural.
I didn't go through the proper progression of getting greens appreciating that I had a bunch of greens because I
I got more my four quests for Hall of Thames, and now I'm decked out in blues in in one single run and so
Playing through that seeing other people play through that
And experience that like we're gonna make adjustments
I think we're already making adjustments that you'll probably see in this next bill
They agree that it's too strong.
Of the beta where we have either clawed, we've changed some quests so that they don't have quest rewards anymore other than experience and gold,
or that we've moved some quest rewards on to others so that you only get one blue instead of four blues,
and really tried to match the pacing of what you saw when you ran Whaling Caverns.
I think like only one quest gave you a blue on that, or like the quest when you're doing Maradon.
you maybe got like two blues from quests.
And then so we really want to make sure
that the pacing and graduation
through the different systems of the game stays true
to how classic felt.
And this is something that we're gonna continue to tweak.
Okay.
Does anyone have anything to add to that
before I wrap this up?
I just thought that was a great answer, Josh.
Thank you, Josh.
Yeah, I was gonna say, I thought that was great.
Well, as a player, it's really cool to hear it, Tim,
because I was talking to my chat about this today,
and I was playing through Hall of Thames,
and I got some blues.
And I was like, the RFC equivalent of this back in era,
like you would mainly get greens,
and you would appreciate those greens.
So I had that same feel, like, OK,
you went from the white gear to, yeah,
first blue, and it feels felt.
And I am a big fan.
I'm a big fan of at least one incentivized
to just sit there and spam your same thing.
I'm running out of time here,
so I'm trying to see if he says anything new.
I love that.
I pause it, press, and then it feels,
if you experience what you want to make,
but that's about your entire 160 journey.
So I'm a big fan there, too.
I think, too, that's one of those things, too,
that we want to, there are certain changes
that are pretty obvious to us that we want to make,
but that's also one that we really do kind of want to let,
let the beta marinade for a little bit,
let the level cap go up and see how kind of that feels.
And so that's one of those things that, like I said,
We're going to kind of keep looking at it, but we don't want to make any super hasty changes right now.
And the other thing I want to say too is the I lost my train of thought.
That's okay.
I'll pick up the slag here.
I've been there thinking of that.
Guys, we're going to start to wrap it up here before allowing us to have these channel for
That's a great idea, Joe.
Respecking in the beta for the purposes of testing.
That's a great idea.
Oh, cheaper respecs.
And I have a very verbose community member who,
for some reason, wants me to ask if they could possibly
have the 255 character limit on bug reports extended
so they can write you novels.
But anyway, Zahiu, what would you like to hope for going forward?
What do you think?
What do you think I'm gonna say?
He wants to toggle his shit.
Overall, that like so many of us for like years
have been like, plastic plus hype, you know,
like this whole, like, oh my gosh, it's here.
And like all, like a lot of the big things are right.
Happy birthday.
I didn't get to play.
Wow, my birthday.
Happy birthday.
Forever, I love it.
Like I, awesome.
All right, cool.
Well, that was that everybody.
What are the key points?
They acknowledged the gear is too strong too early.
They talked about potential respects
in the beta or cheaper respects.
They talked about Sky Elves a lot,
but it was whatever.
Talked about the art and the difficulty of all that.
I think that was mainly it, right?
So, while I was watching that, I ran to BFD and we farmed a damp note
so we can grab the quest and now we're gonna do BFD. Let's get it.
UI and layers. They talked about layering a little bit.
I also hit level 20.
So, that's cool.
Was there an update?
I don't think there's been an update. My wrath is hitting for 30.
I fucking hope to God that gets fixed.
Um...
I don't know. Maybe they'll do an announcement.
When it's happening, is there even gonna be an update? Is that even confirmed?
No CC, just do damage. I gotta toggle my health bars here. Options, key bindings, or nato? Key bindings?
It's Jay, okay.
To level my weapons skill, I guess.
UI bronze, they want to keep it distinct.
Yeah, I agree with that.
I think a lot of people love to change their UI and you can get add-ons for that, but the
The downside of toggling is a lot of people will be toggling either on or off when it
comes to a UI, and the consistency will be shit.
I hate to say it, but I think the marketing of the game is really important, and if you
have all of your games looking drastically different, it's not good.
So to some people, when it comes to the UI, if you don't like it, because you really like
the classic UI, my response is legit gonna get used to it. Just get used to it. Or if
you're really annoying and you want to go download like one of those X-Purl add-ons,
ugh. God, those screens are so miserable to look at, I'll be honest. I hate looking at
those, but some people do it. Go for it. I just think UI changing shouldn't be in-game.
should be an add-on you have to go out of your way for. That's my opinion on it.
Next Pearl's the ugliest shit ever. I mean again some people like it and more
power to them go for it whatever but yeah it's fucking hideous to me.
I mean, I just don't like any UI changes that the most the craziest UI add-on I've ever
used was bartender for a brief period of time because I ran out of action bars.
I just didn't have any.
What is my spell power right now? 37's pretty low. 99 healing though. Damn.
That's pretty crazy.
Almost mana's wrath cost. 15 mana. Rank 1 wrath cost 4 mana. It's like actually nothing.
Did you see the 100 spell power ring you can fish up? Yes, but I don't think any single
person has gotten it I think it's just basically people noticing it and then
making YouTube shorts about it and then people coming in my stream and then being
like did you see this it's crazy but it's like not actually a thing it's just
people are just farming YouTube shorts people are retarded
Of course it has it, I believe that.
Oh, look at that!
Spike shell ring.
Uh, I'll be honest, I'm gonna need on that because I'm gonna use it for leveling.
Paladin should need on it too.
Uh, oh.
didn't. Okay, do you want? So do we need to do this area down here? What do we need
to do? Lorgous jet slain and...
Well the other quest is in the dungeon, right? Where is it at?
Over here. Alright, they know. Nice.
How long is the beta going to last? How much longer?
I think a couple more weeks. Like six or seven. Like actually five weeks.
I think tips announced the or talked about the
the dueling tourney on the classic cast podcast or whatever they say any details about that
or no.
$50,000 poured only.
Let me heal these cats, god damn.
Jeez, this is quite the pull here.
I'm like, oh, do you have any mana pots?
I'm dead.
I should have done a regrowth.
Yeah, Hunter's got to be killing the runners here.
That is a wipe.
Also fucking fighting in the water is miserable
Our goal is to kill as few mobs as possible
We do not care about the bosses all of the loot's been discovered
We do not care about killing the enemies. They aren't worth any XP
We just need to kill two bosses the orgas jet in the last boss. That is all we have to do
So just skip mobs when we can, oh yeah.
I blinked and y'all wiped, yeah we suck.
Healer diff, true it's my fault.
Quite the run back.
Yeah, not being an Idlef, unfortunately.
Aren't Hunter mobs as tanky as Hunter?
Yeah, maybe.
Gamer, what is the best to kill Olympus players as a cat druid?
Grave Shroud, not even a question.
Gay Shroud.
P.O. is legit raging. Why? At what?
Alright, hold on. Have you seen this bug?
Okay, so we're watching this rogue...
...or summit.
He opens on the sky, he gets noblin' into Polly and is layered.
And that way he's perishing.
shit I zoned and I'm a fucking sheep still holy shit guys I'm gonna go to the
action s see if I get some news from any character I used to be there's levels to
this shit guys, sick. Absolutely sick.
Sorry use era and forever comparison.
Oh yeah, here's the the major we farming. Yeah, I know the power
scaling feels fine. Honestly, druids are worse. They actually
They are worse than classic era that I can get in fucking to you
Do I surely I have a level 14 druid out there somewhere?
No, you're just bad
Let me finish this BFD and I should look at it I swear
I know mage like he did a pull of four on era then he did a pull of four with the nulls
on live or on forever and it was just the same.
I drew it's rough right now.
worse than Druid for leveling. I think Druid, or I think Wooyah is way better. I do think Druid's
the worst leveler in the game right now. I mean, pre-level 20. Which isn't the worst thing,
you know? It can feel pretty good to get your cat form, but that means you have to play Feral again,
which, okay.
Shaman and Shaman are in shambles with their base damage, yeah I saw, but at least Shaman
can melee and do massive damage, Druid can't.
So bear form is garbage.
Maybe we get a good weapon just like every other class, but you're still pretty fucking
garbage.
Druid's can melee.
Are you tone deaf?
I don't think tone deaf is what you're looking for, but Druid's can melee.
We don't have rock-biter weapon, for example. It's just a caster swinging a staff. You might as well be a mage
And then bear form is again
garbage
Thorns can scale, but you don't usually have that spell power. It's just 320. Druid is just very very rough
It's rougher than any other class
And I think everyone disagreeing is retarded.
And that's okay though.
That's true, it's suck.
They do for each one.
It's okay, you'll live.
Rogue is worse, I don't think they are.
Oh, Lickon Ball's DC'd?
I think he had the Waterfug or whatever.
He is gone.
Do I have a rank 3 regrowth?
I don't.
The other issue is, I think Druids get, like, I get a new rank of Wrath at 22.
You get Shred at 22.
I think you get a fucking Rejuve and a Regrowth at like 22.
So we're all kind of at a breaking point at 20 where all of our spells are about to get
upgraded, but just not quite there.
Rank 3, rank 3.
What Rejuve am I using?
Oh, I'm using rank 2 rejuve right now, the fuck? Didn't realize.
Fixed.
Healing touches, rank 3.
Nice.
Yeah, I'm good. Alright.
How much does my rejuve even take for?
43, let me see rank 2, let me see how much I gained by upping the rank.
Ooh, okay, plus 11 per tick, pretty good.
One is rank 2 moonfire, I have rank 3.
They gave Blue Elbs War Stomp and Shadowmelt, would you play it?
Yeah, I'd swap instantly.
Shadowmelt is so good now, especially for hunters with cats.
Okay, I still think Shadow Note sucks.
You can say a racial is good, but you also have to keep in mind, you are losing the other
racials to gain that.
That's how racials work, yeah, but I really, I'm at a point where I think I'm fucking
talking to a school of toddlers that don't understand that kind of stuff.
Dang, the fuck?
That's a legit ring, hello?
I'll take that.
If you need it, you need it. I don't care.
Did this fucking hunter roll on that?
Yes I do. A hunter, you don't need it.
I'm using that shit.
If the paladin wanted it, then yes, you can take it.
I told you yesterday, careful aim.
Oh yeah, you do have careful aim.
Forgot about that being like your main talent.
Oh, this guy did the bookshed. I gotta do that too. Yep.
Have you seen the Undead of Warlock with touch of grave S.L.S.L. Affliction build?
Uh...
Well, you can't have S.L.L.S.L. I don't even think they can have either or.
Not right now, it's 6, oh so basically, you're talking about a build potentially at level
60.
Okay.
Also, Doddstone Procket, I think it's just the application of them, right?
Yes, they do.
Just the application.
are very firing things. You going horde or ally and release? As of right now horde potentially.
I'm hoping for racial changes and buffs to the worst races somewhat. If we don't get
Racial buffs, a micro alliance, but I really am just looking for a reason to go hoarding.
It's the worst race, Sky Elves. In every variation of the game, Sky Elves are the worst.
Maybe not hardcore because of the slow fall. I can see that being good.
Yeah, I might do the books today.
We'll see.
Seems miserable, but we gotta have to get done.
You gonna play an attorney? I plan on it. I mean it's it's oh god I don't know if
legacy talents are gonna be allowed and if they are that means in order to
compete you have to level legacy talents at least to 10 you need 10 legacy
points otherwise you're missing on five talent points so that means I have to
level my hunter to 25 I have to level a major three other classes to 25 and then
I have to level professions the 30 no it's 25 that's when you unlock the
legacy talents
What's on the next town?
It's essentially a talent system for your account.
It's a talent, or an account talent system.
I don't make a third druid. I don't think I'd get legacy talents for that.
You have to level each class.
And then I gotta level each non-gathering profession.
So alchemy, not herbalism, but leatherworking, tailoring, blacksmithing.
All the fucking bullshit.
Each race, did you get one for each race?
I don't think so.
I think it's just class and profession.
Whatever's man, I burn me bro, I don't care.
You get two if you get a crafting profession to 225.
You get two for that?
Oh, you get one for 150 and another one for 225?
Okay
You hear because of the question which ones
Two quests they give blues
I have to kill a lorgous jet and I have to kill the last boss. I get blue pants and I get some shoulders
Mainly the pants and then after this I'm going to go run
Well, I'm going to get cat form
And then I could do wailing caverns. I need to farm the offhand and then SFK and
Yeah, I need the chest from SFK and that's pretty much it
Well, then I got to farm those books what necklace do you use on board?
Actually have no idea
Do you get both from the book or do you get only one?
The other option is a Spell Power Ring.
I'm gonna have to take the Spell Power Ring.
Either way, I gotta do that.
Okay, I take that for 20, alright.
Yeah, I don't know how this book thing works, I'm not sure.
Po is whining to tips about the Horde only thing.
Why?
I should have talked to you and from now on I'm gonna talk to you about this stuff.
No, you're 100% right.
I sincerely apologize to my friend.
I should have been a better friend to you and I should have called you and taken your
opinions into consideration.
Okay, but Drew, there's a thing.
Like I'll be honest the only way I can make it to the moon is you need to change the name
That's it does the only way super good. I'm not doing it again
I maybe you don't care, but I think this is the only way you can make it fair
So you get what my point. Let's see like B.S. Sheeran. Yes, you know is level 30 right now
He is level 30. He has gear. He has the voting mining and ensuring me by re-rolling
I I lose all this thing must be okay. We have you have like one week. Yeah, but still
So to be honest, talk about the people that you cannot talk to or whatever you want to say, but the only way that you can make it fair to everyone is by making, do you get what I mean by that?
Like you make like Teio O-T-K Tournament.
New characters, new characters with a naming convention to make sure people are registering new characters. I'm with 100%.
So can I have a can I have like a answer about it like today because if you tell me the thing
I might just we roll now, but even I think I think I'm not trying to I think it makes sense
I don't I don't want to do my my little bitch even though I'm doing it, but does that make sense shot?
But I don't even have to ask the chat I can just ask you because you know
Tipsy is really smart. He's intelligent. He's a good guy. He's my friend and what does he always think tournament forever?
And you know usually that I'm not a piece of shit right now. I'm not trying to act like you know
I'm just trying to it's will be fair
He's upset that it's hard only but like who cares just make a horde road
The tournament's level 30
I'm almost fully geared it's been a day
Like actually I re-roll to horde carry it's been a day not even I played for what six hours maybe less
Who fucking cares?
And it needs to be Horde only I think for like the dueling because it has to be one faction
in particular.
And Nome I think it's plus 15 to engineering.
So they would have Nome's death ray and basically if you're not a gnome you can't play in the
tournament so that kind of sucks.
You can duel opposite factions.
Uh, apparently it causes issues.
I don't know.
Remember there's a lot of issues that was caused
When you do all the other faction when it comes to like
Presenting it. I don't know you have to ask him
He doesn't fucking invite me for the fucking podcast after ten years
Should I read it with the line? Oh wait someone says pay you shut the fuck up. Wait. Sorry to solve. I need to shut the fuck up
All right, whatever
This is the necklace? Okay.
It's level 30, bro. I know. It's like, I think it's more of just a fun Mimi tournament.
But it would suck if, like, if they do a level 30 tournament right now with the game as is,
no changes or whatever, I'm not competing. It's a massive waste of time. Priests just
win. I'm not gonna, I mean, maybe I could level a priest, but there's no point in playing.
You can't win as anything other than Priest. Hunter beats Priest? I don't think so. At
At level 30, I think Priest beats the fuck out of Hunter.
Maybe the reduced healing on the pet, but I don't think so.
Mortal Strike pet OP, but he just fears it off.
Like just fear when Mortal Strike only has 4 seconds left because it's a 6 seconds CD
in the last 10 seconds and then you just heal back to full.
The damage is really low.
It's a very slow-paced game with everyone having so much HP and the wands do more damage than anyone else on top of that.
And they regen mana. No, Priest is gross, nothing beats it.
Even at 30. Unless there's some crazy level 30 gear that we haven't seen, which could be the case.
No, Priest wins. It's not even... it's an unplayable tournament.
You have to be Priest. There's nothing else to it. Nothing can beat it.
Hunter wins every day against Priest the fuck.
You're wrong.
I'll argue with you.
You're just wrong.
Juan drops off at 30.
Juan's scale with spell power right now.
No, you're wrong.
Instead of arguing with a bunch of fucking dumb fucks, uh, again, if Priest isn't nerfed,
I'm not gonna play in the tournament, because again, I'm not gonna waste my- it's a waste
of time.
I'll go ahead and level 100 and go play in the tournament.
Go ahead.
Good luck.
More power to you, seriously.
It's out crying.
I mean, I'm just explaining, so when I asked if I'm going to play in the tournament,
I said yes, I would love to, but I'm not going to if,
if and then I continued with my if. Y'all are so annoying. Jesus Christ.
I'm not sure what he's talking about.
He's just a little bit of a bust.
He was at a wand, what would you say then?
I'd be busted.
I do think wanding is pretty OP at low levels.
and I'm scaling with spell power it's kind of nuts. I'm pretty sure in like the classic era 19
swing meta it was rogues hunters and priests and priests were really good because of wanding and
that was before they scaled with spell power and now they do it's kind of nuts and also they made a
bunch of spell power gear in the game that is obtainable so it's two things really kind of
to go in their favor. Plus people have again insanely high amounts of HP when
you're tweaking at these lower levels like 20 and 30. This shit does not matter
in the live game. They really just doesn't, but we're in 30 tournament if you do
that. Yeah the Twinks having self healing is overpowered,
Wounding is overpowered, and Priest can do both. Warlocks have self healing, but
And it's not as strong as Priest.
And Priest also has that instant fear.
It's just really good.
What are we doing to turn him into beta?
Why?
I don't know.
Fuck it.
Maybe it just doesn't happen.
Okay.
for fun in the 2019 classic wow beta there was a level 30 dual tournament and
I think it had well over like a hundred thousand views it was great
promotion for the game oh my bad Jesus Christ y'all are getting clobbered
Jesus, this guy hurts.
That was wrong Lux, wands work too, the character info doesn't change but you actually do more
damage with wands thanks to spell power, what the fuck, yeah your wands scale with 30% of
your spell power, something like that.
pretty insane. Any plans to stay Horde? As of right now, yeah.
Shadow Priest will be insane with the wand kiting. I don't think Shadow Priest is gonna be that great.
It's all about just disc, specking into improving your wand damage, and again,
and the self-healing is what's overpowered.
Mind play is a waste of a button you're better off just
wanting and saving mana and keeping your mana regen-ing.
So Shadow, I don't think would be good at 30.
It's all just disk.
Tenants?
Nope, not worth hitting.
Whole level PVP is such a fucking joke.
It's actually a meme.
It could be fun, but it is a meme.
Like, every single button you press is damn near a misplay because it stops your mana from re-genging as a priest.
Just one.
Only cast buttons when you either A have a lot of mana to spare.
Okay, the hunter just pulled all of those guys from the back with his pet.
So this might be a white. I don't have seeds. I don't even have B res trained I
don't think. Yeah the hunter's an idiot. Who's the spider pet? Jet bandit. Oh it's over.
It's a run back.
If only I had a fucking B res, I could have B res the palli or some shit.
Royastery Savage is dueling people in Priests for winning by just wandering and fearing out
of four duels he only won one time versus Edo and had to use all CDs but he beat
him. Paladins or undead paladins in particular are the only class that might
be able to beat a priest and the reason being is they have their paladin weapon
which is 26 DPS and it seems to proc every other hit. It is an insane weapon.
It is absurd and they're undead so they can break fear and they would need lay
hands and they would have bubble so they can actually force the priest to
genuinely cast healing spells and actually go that's the only way at level
30 I don't see them winning unless again Paladins get some new brand shiny new
busted fucking weapon
Hunter wins easily.
Oh, rage baiting.
Shaman have Purge? It does.
And that's pretty big.
Shaman's can be really AIDS vs. Priest too,
but I do think the Priest still just wins.
Everyone's health pool is so high
that by the time the Priest really needs to heal,
he just fears him.
And then they can wand the tremor before it actually ticks.
Or they can wand the tremor and then hit fear instantly.
I think a surface level retard would be like, no, Shaman's immune to fear.
They have tremor, but they don't know how it actually plays out when a priest is like
going against the tremor gameplay of the priest knowing about tremor totem.
That shaman still gets feared.
What about Rogue?
At 30, they have most of their kit.
They don't have kidney shot.
I don't think.
I think kidney shot is, what, 36?
Or is it 30?
They have Cheap Shot at 24.
Oh, they do have Kidney.
Ooh.
Yeah, rogues are horrifying.
You do realize it's as much the player behind the class as it is the class, right?
You can win with whatever against whatever.
That's Rage Bait.
maybe at max level when the game is a lot more balanced like druid is not supposed to
be warlocks in classic era at 60 but unless I'm going against snuts or like someone who
really knows their class I'm gonna win I'll win every single time in an actual legit duel
But at level 20, low level, it's not going to be like that.
You could fucking actually put a monkey on the keyboard
and have them hit Wand, and they would beat me.
Their Wand hits for 100.
My Wrath, maxed rank, hits for about 50.
My Wrath costs mana, meaning it stops all mana regen.
The priest is continually regenning mana.
Now I could go cat form, but I'll go oom every single time I press cat form.
And then I'll have to shift out and heal back up.
I have no plus healings, so the heals don't do shit.
The whole time, the priest is just pshh, pshh, pshh, wand it, literally.
Just wand and hit fear.
Not a lot of skill expression at low level, and that's fine.
Skatform get better at 30? No. Druid Feral is garbage and I think it's actually going to be worse in WoW Forever than it was in Classic Era.
There's also bad in Classic Era.
That's not possible well Druids don't have nurturing instinct which basically makes your heals actually scale with your agility and they reduced the actual healing output of everything.
So, in order to make your heals do something, you do need a pretty significant amount of healing.
Feral's probably won't have that. Maybe there will be some PvP gear.
But, like, if you NS heal yourself, or if you do a regrowth or rejuvenate to Swiftman, it's not going to heal you pretty much at all.
And the initial issue with Feral was that
You don't have any slows and people can abuse the fact that they can make you spam shift over and over and make you go
pretty fast
That hasn't changed. That's still the same exact way
We'll see set bonuses are a big deal. The gear stats are a big deal
Maybe it'll make Feral really good
Maybe there's gonna be a set bonus where it makes your claws slow the target that way like if you claw someone
you don't have to spam shift to keep up with them, preventing you from going through.
Maybe then they'll all be good.
Oh, I think I went the wrong way.
But I really get annoyed by the, dude, it's level 20, relax.
I'm like, I'm telling you how it would be currently with the talents and everything
we have seen how it will be at 60. It's really not that hard to see it. Maybe it is for a
lot of other people, but it's really not. I'm fucking lost. I have to repeat myself over
Over and over and over again, yes.
Streaming, I guess.
What's your tier list for level 60? I'm not sure.
Um...
I mean, I wouldn't be able to tell you exactly every class and how good it'll be.
I can tell you what classes are not viable.
Again, I know Feral is not going to be viable based on what I see so far.
Warlocks are weird, right? Getting the 20% reduced range of fear is a huge fucking nerf to Warlocks. It is massive.
But I don't understand, or what I'm not going to know is the pacing of the game. Now Dots can crit. That's a buff to Warlock damage.
Maybe people will have more stamina to compensate, so it might be the same pacing overall.
We're not sure on having SLSL in classic has never been done. It's just been so link and that's it
So they have SLSL
potentially
but I
Think they're gonna be lacking a lot of damage if they go that spec
Like they won't take any damage. They're basically warlock tanking, but they won't actually do any damage either
So maybe it'll be pretty evened out. I'm not sure
It's Soul Link Soul Life or something?
Soul Link makes you take 30% less damage and then Soul Life is an instant dot you apply
that leeches HP.
So they just run around taking zero damage, just putting up a bunch of instant dots on
everyone.
It's the best spec in TBC for PvP.
In fact, the only viable spec in TBC for Warlock is insane.
They also have that Molten Armor.
They take 8% less damage. I think it goes up to 10, but you won't have the talents for it.
And then drain life. Yeah, they do that as well.
No fell armor.
Again, we get there. I'm not going to.
We don't know how it's actually going to play out when it comes to the damage that people dish out and stuff.
but there are some utility weaknesses of some classes that have not been changed in any way and
therefore the class is bad or the spec is bad because
There's a weakness that hasn't been fixed and you'll still be able to abuse it
Yeah, Shadow Priest is looking pretty good.
Like Shadow Priest's weakness in Classic Era was they go oom, right?
They're pretty fast to just completely run out of mana.
But they fix that.
So now Shadow Priest don't really go oom.
Curious to see how that plays out.
small fish just line inside your hand.
Goodness gracious.
Fuck, I don't have the mana for this shit, man.
Oh my god, is it another wipe?
Ugh!
I gotta start marking things with Skull.
To be fair, I'm pinging him up.
Hunters, we gotta lock in.
Like y'all are the damage here.
This Zug one guy kill him next guy kill him. It's so easy it really is and then I only have to heal one target
Because then he actually has threat. I'm marking things
I'll start putting skull and X had enough
Almost done
Did you watch any of lyrics while streams? It was great to see him enjoy himself and well. He usually comes back in place
It's pretty cool to see. I really hate did he changes UI?
It's like a Guild Wars 2 UI he always plays it's
Or it's like a Diablo where it's like this globule of health. It's so fucking hideous
He only changed UI with Guild Wars 2 1 and I don't think they have it for forever, so we didn't get to do it this time good
Good
I don't know how strong Paladins are going to be. It depends on the kind of damage they
dish out. That might be a more even matchup. I would predict Paladins shits on lock simply
because if they're undead they can get out of the first fear and they can also bubble
of fear so two fears removed the next fear is what two seconds long because
there are dr's in wow forever and then the warlock just dies before he can go
again maybe he can void sack and then fell down and then void sack again and
then he can fear the war or the paladin for full so it really just comes down to
Can the warlock survive all of the fear breaks until fear is off the air?
And then once he gets a full fear in the Paladin, he just runs the opposite way of the fear drinks and eats back to full
First AIDS maybe things of that nature and the duals just over
But again, can the Paladin serve that hard will he do enough damage?
It's going to be best of three, I would hope so.
to basically when you die you got to walk back 20 minutes in this case yes I
don't know how long the run back is for Alliance I think it's the same yeah it's
It's just his aides.
Okay, hopefully we don't have respawns. I think we're good.
Nice, thank Jesus.
If you have any legacy points, I found the quick and the dead used to be useful for a single point. Glad to see you're enjoying well.
No, I don't think you get legacy points until... I don't think they're activated yet.
Oh, they are at 25. Press Y. Well, I have Y bound to something.
I don't know how to look at it.
Talents?
This feature becomes available when your first character reaches level 25.
Okay.
So, like I said, they're not activated yet.
They changed it.
Well, why is it great to fuck out?
What are you talking about?
Alt Y, okay, I...
Like, what do you, what do you want me to look at here?
I guess you can spend points if you level your professions technically to 225 or 150.
Yeah, I think a lot of people are upset about like level 30 dual tournament and how it's
not fair that they have to start over.
Dude, you got a level like five characters for this fucking dual turning.
You have to actually level them and then you need to do your fucking professions to, well,
you need at least 10 points minimum.
is better. So it's like, dude, everyone's pretty much just fucked. One's level 30,
like five days, I think.
Okay, I think this druid might be pointless.
I think I'm going to have to re-level another druid for this tournament.
I, yes.
I think people are whining that they want all characters to be made at the exact same
time which I guess makes kind of sense just I'm gonna blow my head off I
leveled an alliance druid I've leveled a horde druid but now both of those
druids are gonna be pointless
But why? Because people want, for the level 30 duel tournament, you have to make a character
at the same time as everyone else. And you have to have the same last name so your character
proven to be new blah blah blah. It's all points. The $50,000 tournament. What do you mean?
For level 30 beta? Yep. There was also I think like $100,000 tournament for level 30 beta in
classic era as well I'm just I'm I'm looped at this point I'm just so fucking
looped I need to find something key bindings targeting target markers yeah
these didn't save
Yeah, I'm logging out after this BFD and I'm just gonna get on a different character because the Druids are pointless to play right now.
If we're gonna do the whole half-to-remake, I'm just gonna wait.
Snowpoint.
I'm already here, so...
I fucking pulled.
Do you have D&D different in forever or the same?
It's about the gear I think got buffed.
All the gear got changed.
There's a couple different quests with different gear.
But it's overall the same.
All the mechanics of the bosses got a little bit more dangerous but not by much.
Same difficulty it feels like.
We're only struggling because we're level fucking 20.
You know everyone here is an idiot, but...
Alright, I mean Mark, I spaced out.
Skull X Square.
Ooh, we don't have a purge. These renews are dangerous.
It's fine.
Dude, that guy is still running by the way.
Look at Skull.
When does he come back?
Hello?
Bro, what?
Dude, he's still over there.
I'll be honest, I think we just started killing things.
Leave it.
I'm still in combat.
Okay, hold on.
Let me report this.
A mob ran away in BFD and never came back to us after fleeing.
We were stuck in combat.
Yeah.
Yeah, alright, let's start pulling.
It's gonna bring the entire dungeon, it fucking might.
Nice report.
What mob?
I mean, I don't think it matters. Maybe it does matter that it's a twilight acolyte, but I'm sure they'll be able to tell and it was in BFD
You don't think they have like notes and data as to exactly where I am in BFD when I submit that bug
you guys are correct you should log into the beta you should put in a bug report y'all
I got it.
Alright, he's still- I can't drink. He's still over here.
He's still moving around.
Oh god, I forgot we have to clear the entire boss room too with the Summoner's guy or whatever.
She kills skull first.
I'm still in combat, I can't drink.
Wrath is a joke, it's so awful.
I should stop pressing the button altogether.
I just let my mana regen for healing.
Even though it's 15 mana, it is not worth hitting.
All my thorns are doing 13% of the palli's damage.
Wow.
All right, we did it.
What the fuck?
I got a 10 slot bag.
Hello?
All right
Just out there it's locked what class do I level
Shaman maybe
Priest I just fucking make a priest honestly
Okay.
Rogue? You're a rogue.
I'm dead paladin don't you like new things it's undead paladin still considered new
babies when the game releases again they'll be new but on the bay everyone's fucking
play this on new. That's a me. But I've never leveled a pallet and maybe I try it, like actually.
I'm really not sure.
Play Pally, you need to see how easy it is.
Dude, it's gonna make me so sad to level up Paladin and just see how fucking crazy they
are at leveling.
It's gonna blow my mind, I feel like.
Oh my god, the fish are beating me from under the fucking floor.
But I actually have healer threat.
I'm being eaten by a fish.
We gotta drop down.
Oh god.
Big taunt, thank god.
Alright, y'all need to focus on killing these guys up here.
Oh my god, they're all fucking getting renewed, they're healing so much.
Oh no, it's a wipe, it's a wipe, it's a wipe.
It's a wipe.
Ah!
die he's dead oh we don't have a purge for these renews they're healing so much
it's crazy
Gamers, I have nothing left I can do.
That is it.
I am completely tapped.
Can we kill this skull?
we can do stuff here. I mean, fuck I could use some mana. Oh, bubble on the
Pally nice more renews by the way he's dead I have
some hots on him but, yep, shit.
Yeah, we're struggling with the renews. We're almost done too. Rebirth? No seeds.
I think I get rebirth at level 20. I haven't trained yet.
report them up hitting you through the floor I don't know if that's necessarily maybe it
is an issue actually uh fish hitting us through the floor in BFD in room before last boss
point it out I don't know if I could be fixed because z-axis is a thing like it's
needed otherwise a lot of there was something being abused in 2019 when it
came to leveling and LBRS I forget what it was and I remember they fixed it by
basically bringing in z-axis damage
But... it's because you guys are really low level for dungeon.
Uh, yeah, you're right, sure.
Whatever.
DPS needs to repair.
We're at the last boss team, it's right fucking there.
We don't have to deal with any more renews once we get through two different packs and
then it's just the warlocks and it's pulls of one at a time, it's very easy.
You don't even have to do the fucking candles, we don't care, it's right there.
Do we have a white bow you can use? I'm not even kidding. It'll be good enough.
Oh never mind. My bow is still fine. Thank God.
Yeah, we should have brought a priest or a shaman.
offensive purges would have been insane. I didn't think it was such a big deal but
clearly those renews heal for like what? 2000 or something? Nuts.
Supply after this dungeon? I'm logging off.
It seems a lot of players want the level 30 dual tournament to be, you have to make your
character a specific time.
I really am.
So basically this druid will not be able to play in the tournament, in other words this
druid is officially pointless.
There's no point to this druid for me.
So that means, I don't even fucking care about the BFD anymore.
I'm just finishing it because I know they need it.
Ziko will go mad.
Do you think I'm not upset?
They want all the characters to be made at the exact same time.
I think Pao was complaining to TIPS on his stream and then other people were complaining.
I think they're upset about the six hour fucking head start
of a five week situation.
And I think it's fucking retarded.
Um, but I'm not going to play the druid.
If I have very well, me may be wasting my time.
So I'm logging off.
I'm going to go level an all the street.
Be told the more annoying thing for this tournament is if
legacy points are allowed, you have to level five alts to 25.
probably more Charles deleted to reset legacy talents
I'm just not gonna play in the tournament at that rate I'm just I'm good
like I'll we'll see but I'm so fucking over it
Good news is I do want to level other classes, so you'll see what I make, and it's guaranteed
not a waste of time.
No shit, plane's running works in the dungeon, interesting.
This gulf drew it.
Ugh.
Jesus Christ.
I've got four hours before Ryan wants to coach me in poker.
Speaking of tournaments, yeah, I think I have to go against XQC in a 1v1 poker match soon.
In like two days or something.
And Ryan is very adamant about coaching me.
He's gonna clap you.
I mean, it seems to be pretty fucking RNG.
I know poker is like a skill game, but when it's two nubes who don't really know how to play,
it is gonna probably come down to a lot of RNG, at least for our skill ceiling.
And we'll see.
It could also come down to Felix is bored and goes all in, because he just wants it to be over.
The winner of the 1v1 gets $50,000.
So...
Kind of a big fucking deal.
That's nothing for you?
You are- you have no idea, my financials.
I think you've been looking at XQC's $100 million kick deal and thinking everyone's got that.
that that's asinine
excuse me shits on that true I would like to have the fifty thousand
fucking dollars you're literally a billionaire yep you're right I don't
I mean should we jump down and kill this fucking thing here or can we skip it let me see if
aggro's. It's not aggroing. Be careful of this thing down there.
Oh, it was concentration that pulled it from below. Interesting. Okay.
Yeah, we don't have a single kick either.
We're actually being out DPS by the renew.
Look at this.
I guess I can go war stop it and hope it doesn't resist.
Oh my god, can this thing fucking relax?
Okay.
All right, we're done.
Now it's just easy mobs.
I don't even care.
They don't heal.
It's a joke.
We're fine.
I do think they have a mind control, but whatever.
Nice little bit of soap cloth, that's good money.
Can I show pet health bars or something?
Display pets, oh nice, okay cool.
I wish I could move the pets next to the hunter though, so I know who's pet it is.
Why does it matter? Because I key bind targeting the pets.
So, if I want to target Davee's pet, I just hit my binding for party member 4 or 5 again.
And it goes to their pet.
But I don't know whose pet it is, so I don't know the binding.
Maybe I can edit mode?
Maybe, hang on.
party frames
I don't think I can put the pets next to them. That's annoying
Let's start saving mana here.
You just got mind controlled
We go P really quick.
That fucking hurt. That was a mid piss cancel. Not ideal.
that's how you get a UTI, sick.
How many more do we need to kill?
There's a pull of two, alright.
How does Druid's Healing heal?
Pretty good.
You know, just keep up regrowth, keep up rejuve.
It's weird.
I guess reflection is a really good talent for Resto, but most of your healing talents
are pretty worthless until you get to the fourth row besides reflection.
When you even tranquil spirits trash, improved rejuve I guess, and Swiftman is obviously
good but that's really deep.
I mean Balanceru it gives you more.
Nature's Glendor increasing duration of Moonfire and rejuve by three and regrowth by six.
pretty nice. But if I'm healing dungeons, because it's not really hard, I'm gonna
spec balance. If I was like genuinely just healing dungeons all the way up, I'm
not gonna spec rest up. I would spec balance. Having insects warm as well as
Like bonus damage? Yeah.
Win the Warcraft 3 campaign?
Well, I do need a level every all five classes to 25
and it's probably ideal to do it now.
I don't know.
There you don't, I do.
I might even be better to level every single class to 25
to get all the legacy points possible.
And then I need to get...
Well, I need to get 10 legacy points, so I need to get professions to 225
Or 150 I don't know how expensive that's gonna be
All right boss is easy just kill it he does an AOE sleep to everyone in melee so be ready for that. That's it
Who dares to stir up my meditation?
Just sit and melee, you're not going to kite him.
Stop running around, there's no point in running around, you're not going to range this guy.
melee and just wait until someone else gets threat.
Don't tell me what to do. Alright, my bad, sorry.
He just sit here, yep you have threats so your just gonna sit there.
All right, good job team, easy.
Block value of your shield, wow, okay.
Passed that for the Paladin, all right GGs, I'm not even, oh let me loop the head maybe.
sure both quests are done ready for turn return fuck the rest cba
paladin doesn't even need the sword because he has his Pali sword don't care
one more boss skipping all right what about the hydra don't care
Alright, leave party, log out. Let's see here.
Oh man, what to play, what to play. Is it an undead paladin angle?
Priest, or even warlock. It could actually be down for lock too.
Two.
Hmm.
Paladin to prove a point.
Lock could be fun.
I actually have no idea.
Shadow Priest, you don't play Shadow yet, you play disc and you just wand, it's busted.
hmm I already have a hunter I'm not making another hunter I got shooter
Mcgavinator I'm playing off-stream that's a sick name by the way
might be an orc warlock angle we're undead at warlock
Oh, I just said DC cut.
Fuck.
Patch?
Oh, maybe the patch?
As soon as I stop playing Druid, imagine they buffed the fuck out of Druid, imagine.
I just played this fucking scuffed ass piece of shit, leveled it three times, and then
they fucking killed myself.
Is it that bad?
It is.
No realms available?
Oh shit.
Servers are down.
Who got that?
I don't know why I'm going around here.
Servers are down.
You grab some chips.
I got it.
I got Gorditos, basically checks mix, but better.
The chat's dumb. Oh, wow, really?
Look at this.
Baldur's Gate 3, Act 2 expansion.
What?
It's a mind obviously but...
oh shit big dragon huh
Whoa, 500K views, huh?
Awesome.
Okay, maybe one day we'll play through Walter's Gate again.
You beat BG3? No, we got to Act 3.
We probably got halfway through Act 3.
And then we stop.
You beat Divinity 2?
We did.
You watched the wild podcast?
We did.
So BG3 is great that everyone stops playing it right around the time they could finish
it.
It's so great that everyone stops playing it right around when they could finish it.
I don't know what you're talking about.
I don't get it.
I saw a little someone using this little T on Greljord. Yeah, pretty cool.
Let me use the DPS increase. I don't see it being a big deal on PvP.
Maybe with Berserk versus a Preacher Lock, it could be insane.
I saw some people calculating a, um, Feral drew a DPS build and they were saying you
might not even take berserk. For DPS. It may not be worth it. We make like a pure DPS
build here. Let's take the rail charge. I prefer this.
Huh.
Maybe he just don't take fear, honestly.
Yeah, at this point, what level is square?
Two points left.
Oh, we need the hit rating. Chance to hit plus 4% you need that.
Now it's like a 3 minute cooldown Berserk or 2% increased damage done.
This is like a DPS build for Feral.
Maybe you don't need naturalist?
You do something like that.
Now there's no way you don't take Berserk.
You absolutely take it.
That's gotta be better than 1% damage.
I'm looking at what else you might want to bring as a DPS.
I think that's basically it.
Maybe you bear weave Mangle, but I'm not sure if you do.
I don't know how hard that's actually going to hit.
Six-second Makle seems strong.
The issue though is going bear form.
Your energy and cat form will not be regenerating
while you're in bear form.
So you are pausing your energy regen in order to go bareform and mangle.
But, I mean, we just don't know how much critical strike chance
druids are gonna, or feral druids are gonna have.
They're known to having the highest critical chance out of any class in the game.
Feral druids.
They usually have the fucking highest.
Uh, that may not be the case now.
People are gonna probably stack more strength and whatnot, but...
If you had 40% crit chance, I don't know if Berserk is worth it, legit a 1% damage increase might be better.
I'd have to do the math, I don't know.
But it's just, Berserk's a little weird.
It depends on how long the fights will be. Yeah, that's, yeah.
Still, it's funny that it's even debatable whether or not you take this, that's insane to me.
Fear immune is good as well. Yeah, depending on how many fears are in boss fights, that's
That's true.
What is this?
I don't think this can be correct, no way.
is built. What is this? Is this a tank builder? You don't even have- what is this? No thick
hide but you take a natural reaction? No natures reach minus 4% hit, minus 4% crit.
What do we- what do we- PvP? This is not a PvP build either. This is awful. What is this?
This is a grok build.
It has to be, yeah.
I mean I don't know a feral PVP build will be kind of weird so
You gotta take those.
Do you need ferocity in PvP? I don't think you'll be getting off as many shreds as you'll think.
Like, Farrell drew it PvP, like, you're in bear form most of the time.
You're only ever cat-formed versus, like, priests and warlocks.
not versus rogues not versus warriors not versus rep paladins mages are gonna be
novying you so much that you're gonna have to fill charge in bear form it's
gonna be really aids getting to them your damn well not gonna be fucking
shredding them you'll never show you their back
uh
Maybe vert no, I think bear form might be better versus other drew it's no cat forms probably better
Hunters bear form you prefer charge you're gonna have a hard time getting damage on them
Yeah, I don't know it depends on how good cat forms gonna be but
But imagine you take heart of the wild over
crossity then you got to get improved bash and you got to get feral swiftness
you don't need feral instinct I don't know if maybe they kind might be insane
like legit you might just play a bear
let's just not get that yet you're gonna need mangle bear form
You probably want shredding attacks, you need primal fury, you need this.
Okay, those are your feral talents.
Maybe you max out Frosty.
I guess you take this, you'll take this.
The issue I have here is, I don't even know if you care about Swiftman, I don't know.
This will be determined on how much plus healing you can get on your gear.
It might heal for fucking nothing.
I bet it's a lot.
I bet it's not.
All the...
Something is better than nothing?
Not true.
could just sit in that one
and died
uh... we have a base healing of everything has been reduced so without
plus healing
the swift man may do fucking nothing
let's assume it's good
if we're assuming it's good
You're probably going to want reflection and then one point and then you want swiftment, sure.
Now you have four points to spend.
I mean, you could get insect swarm instead.
And you can get 4% crit.
4% hit rating.
Reflection is useless.
You're right, it actually might be useless because you're going to be like bear form and stuff. You're not going to be...
Ah!
It may not be that good, you're right, for a feral druid.
Casting us means in combat?
No.
When you cast a spell, your mana will stop regenerating.
This will allow 50% of it to keep going.
It's not just, you have a regen in combat.
I mean at that point you might want to just get ferocity maxed out.
This is probably your PvP build.
I don't think you take Rend and Tear.
You're not always going to have a bleed on the target, so you don't want to be dependent
on that.
No NS?
Well, you can't get NS if you want Berserk.
Like, in order to get it, you'd have to go...
This would be your build.
Maybe swap part of the wild.
And yeah, maybe that's better.
Maybe that's better.
That's not much healing you do.
NS is too strong as a big CD.
It is really good.
But remember, in classic WoW, if you NS healing touched, it's basically lay on hands.
I don't think that's going to be the case in WoW forever, unless you have a lot of plus
healing.
i really think it might do a thirty or health
healing weapons what
may have maybe swap to a healing weapon
and then u ns healing touch i could see that
and maybe that would be enough to make it be strong
and weapons are a big fucking deal
So yeah, you're gonna do a lot of weapon swapping so you can rejuve into swift mend and then swap back
Yeah, that's the feral build I don't think feral is gonna be good. I think it's a bad speck and PvP
You're looking more at balance as per usual. I don't think that's changing
Balance Resto. You're gonna want nature's focus. I don't think you even care about your, you
want reflection. You also want NS. It's level 54 and then from here I don't think you care
about Eclipse and PvP. I don't think you Starfire at all. You just don't ever get those opportunities.
I mean realistically, maybe you do still take Starfire, or maybe you take Eclipse. Maybe.
But I just don't, I don't know.
Something like that, maybe.
Brambles or overgrowth?
This could be good.
Increase the amount of targets you can root, but I mean, you lose a lot by taking that.
Actually, no, you could take that instead.
I'd probably play something like this, yeah.
I would then take improved entangling routes.
Yeah, I'd play something like that.
I mean, you could just take Genesis.
done by arcane and nature spells or you just take increase oh periodic damage by 1%
I don't know what's better periodic damage and healing is also really good part of the wild
also a good talent to take here right and prove oh brutal impact is huge as well
Yeah, I would probably drop that. I would drop Genesis. I would try and drop
something else as well. I don't know if I care about nature's grace that much
anymore. I prefer brutal impact I think. Might at least do four points. Yeah. At
At that point, you might as well get fucking Feral Charge as well.
Maybe Thickhide?
Now, that's a hybrid.
Holy shit.
This might be legit one of the better PvP builds.
sack the improved entangling roots and go with Genesis here.
I like this, this is cool as fuck. Looks ass.
I mean you stack damage and healing, right? So your damage is gonna come from
moonfire and insects swarm primarily, and then you're gonna spam wrath.
Assuming you do get to spam cast, but you don't really get to do that in PvP very much.
Druid's entire thing is
If I can get the target off of me, I win.
So like Rogue vs. Druid, you're calculating,
okay he's got a vanish left,
so this fruit's gonna get broken,
he's got a gnome racial left,
this fruit's gonna get broken.
Okay, I'm not gonna be able to CC him that way,
so how long on sprint?
Okay, when sprint runs out,
I'm just gonna travel form a way.
Once you get away, dual's over.
Damage doesn't even matter.
Mage is as well.
Once the mage has, CS is down, the dual's over.
Priests in Warlock are a little bit aids, but you don't really cast first then you sort of just dot and run away
Maybe priests you do cast but
Shadow priests kind of just beats the fuck out of Druid. There's not much you can do I
See you didn't calculate for cloak of shadows there. Yeah, fuck if they if rogues had cloak of shadows
It'd be the most broken class
the game is down for a few hours new build on wow forever beta it'll be down
for a few hours while we work on it oh okay a few hours they say god fucking
damn it. Warcraft 3. You want me to start Warcraft 3 and then log off after one hour? Pass.
I'm trying to see what else I could do build-wise, I think.
Yeah, I think this might be it.
Swiftman and NS is kind of crazy. With a lot of spell healing, oh my god.
I don't think so. Why would you ever go cap form? Aside from using dash.
Do you have travel form? Exactly. It has dodge.
Okay, I could see the dodge being good, this flat increasing dodge by 4%.
Okay.
Dude, I could see that.
Still whining? Yes, I'm whining. That's what I'm doing right now.
You're whining about me whining, how about that?
How much armor would this be?
3 additional base armor per level so that's 180 plus armor per point of defense.
What's your base defense?
300, so 240 times 3, 720 armor, plus 180.
So 900 armor is what this is.
How much is that?
900 armor, additional in bare form.
It's beyond 300, but you won't have any defense.
With this build and PVP, you're not going to have any.
So...
Oh, that's not correct.
It's excess defense.
Okay, hold on, three additional armor per level, so 180 plus two base armor for each
point of defense skill beyond five times your level.
So that's 300.
So it would actually be worthless then yeah, you're right. Let's hear you soon. So you'd go there
Feral instinct
Hmm
Yeah
You can also sack frail charge. We'll see how badly it's needed. I remember I always wanted that frail charge in classic
But the problem is you didn't have enough damage
You would just get like a priest and warlock are now off the kill table
Because you won't have the damage to drain their mana or anything
So you had to point put these points into vengeance and stuff of that nature
So you might not be able to take that other stuff
in a dual tournament I don't know we'll see take genesis over wrath of all your
damage periodic well wrath it's you're you you probably start casting wrath now
that it's cheap you'll have your moments I think you'll get more value out of
improve wrath than Genesis either way that's probably someone somewhere along
this bullshit is the PvP bill Ferrell's a joke I don't think you play for on PvP
You're wasting your time otherwise.
You only get Moonken Aura for PvE.
Well, getting Moonken might be the play depending on the pacing of the game.
So example, if I'm dueling a Rogue, it may be in my best interest to just sit in Moonken
form if I have it.
And that might be overall better than getting an S. And just spam Moonfire and rush him
down before he can do anything.
Is this ignoring open world pvp?
No. No, I think the build I did before is not ignoring open world. I played that in open world.
In open world, I like speccing 4 1v1s.
Now in bg's, like if I was doing raided battlegrounds for example and I've got like healers on me, I'm probably gonna go moon conform.
Because you got a healer. I don't need an S.
Moonken plus thorns? Exactly.
Like there could be some optimal situations where it is best to just ZUG.
I hope this isn't the case because it's kind of boring, but it's optimal to just do damage.
And don't play defensive. Just ZUG faster than the other person.
So.
Yo Soda, you absolutely have to watch this old video of Drunk Nick running a dungeon with his fan, pure comedy.
You didn't link anything. It's moving even worth it, it's 10-3% crit chance.
It's the armor, and it's also Omen of Clarity gains 100% increased chance to trigger. That is a lot of clear castings.
And Starfire is expensive. So the whole build is basically
Starfire or Wrath and then Starfire and Wrath and Starfire. Wrath does not take clear casting from you. Wrath doesn't really cost any mana
So when you get a clear casting it's pretty much always going to be dumped into a very expensive Starfire
They are increasing 100% crit chant or 100% proc chance is kind of nuts
Are we getting an update? We are. The devs said they're updating the game right now, so we're going to see their first patch.
Omin can proc off melee, so against Rogan, can't you spam moonfire on auto attack? No, because... oh now you linked it.
No, because when you moonfire, it resets your auto attack timer. So you should just spam moonfire. You'll have a better time proccing clear casting off that.
Oh, wasn't this like Nick it's unhinged while playing with Esfan? I've seen this. It's cringe
change. Think. You know, that's right. Yes, Finn. Can I ask you a personal question?
Yeah, what's that? It's a bit devious. Okay. What are your thoughts about cream pies?
All right, he's drunk.
What about this year of build since Dott's can crit now?
Uh, that.
Well, oh, horrible.
This is a Zug build like I was talking about.
So, here's how I see this.
The rogue opens on you, cheap, into kidney, and you're already half HP.
And you're like, oh, I'm gonna start doing damage now and you just start
Moon firing and insane then you're dead
That's the end of the duel
You're gonna if you're gonna play through it in PvP you're on the back end always
You are always losing the entire duel the entire time until you're not and then it's a
The rogue literally cannot get to you. He's out of cooldowns. He cannot do anything to you
But the entire time he does have cooldowns
You're just dying
And you're trying really hard to fucking live
That's it
It's not that serious. Just play the game. Well, this is playing the game.
What about versus a Paladin? I don't know how this is going to play out in this expansion, or wow forever,
but in classic era, the duel would never end. The rep paladin didn't do any damage, and every bit of damage you would do,
would do, the Paladin would just cleanse it. So Insect Swarm and Moonfire. So the only way
I found that I could beat Paladins is, first of all, if they're playing Red, they're fucking
retarded. So to take advantage of that, I would put up Rank 1 Insect Swarm and rank
1 Moonfire, and they would dispel it thinking it's a max rank, and they would end up spending
more mana than me. And they usually never even picked up on it. But I never really dealt
with someone that wasn't falling for that.
And it'll also take five fucking hours regardless.
It was a miserable duel.
And I don't, you can cast on them,
but as soon as you start casting,
they start meleeing you and you lose health quicker than them.
And you kind of just fucking flop.
You also end up having to heal, which spins a lot of mana.
No, I, Paladins are, I don't know how it's gonna play out.
Now that they do real damage on top of that, I just don't think you win.
Um, I don't think you can kite them.
They have that one judgment that takes away movement increases, right?
You can't even root them.
They can dispel it and they have freedom.
It's really not a lot you can do.
You kind of just lose, actually.
What about this?
I think it's better than the other build.
This is a really good build.
You can get a lot done with this.
Oh, this shit's strong.
What is this?
Vulp's leaked me a bunch of stuff.
Let me mute my music.
Okay.
I found a hidden mage profession.
Okay, okay, new recipes, research, all the research.
I'm luck research.
My name is Farmer Farms, and after reaching level 20 in World of Warcraft forever, and
spending over six hours traveling all over Azeroth, I knew I was going to be in for a
wild ride, because this adventure starts all the way back in Season of Discovery, when
The mages were forced to scour the entire world to unlock their riddles, level 25, and in
some cases, level 40 or even 50.
And after spending 6 long hours doing this, I completely understand why.
As I traveled into higher and higher level zones, I was forced to corpse run, spear res,
and pray that a polymorph would land long enough for me to actually pick up the book.
And the worst part, a lot of the old information from Season of Discovery was extremely difficult
to find since all of the old guides were updated since the Rune Vendors were released.
So I went through everything I could, pieced together a route, and eventually managed to
collect 19 different books.
And some of these were ridiculous.
The first place I started was Altrack Mountains, and this one was actually one of the coolest
discoveries right away because apparently the way the game is coded now you can interact with certain
items from much farther away than you could in classic wow so I was able to stand outside the
tower look okay reached the found some new around these new enemies so what is this you do
cloak of hermitic bliss move speed reduced by treason so naturally I left it equipped after
After I left the water, I died, I released, and I tried to change my cloak and couldn't.
Because apparently you can't change your equipment while you're a ghost and somehow I'd forgotten
that.
Now keep in mind, I'd been awake for almost 16 hours at this point.
So naturally, I made the same exact mistake.
Twice.
I ended up dying four total times before I was able to find the right angle to loot the
scroll.
Tell you how happy I was that spirit res is a thing
Because without it, I might still be in lock mood on all this cadence is gonna make me blow my head off until we reached the badlands
And this was one of my favorite locations of the entire journey
This is an area where very few people have probably explored let alone at level 20 and
Honestly, I think Blizzard may have intentionally decreased the agoradius of some of these higher level mobs to encourage
exploration during the beta. And if that's what they did, I'm actually really, really happy about it.
Because being able to sneak through these areas that would normally be completely inaccessible makes the world feel enormous again.
But then we reached what was easily the most time-consuming book of the entire journey.
I spent over an hour trying to get this one. That enemy was nearly 30 levels higher than me, so I had one strategy.
Polymorph, Hope, Loot, and Run. Except for Binwork. Over the hour, I was only able to land three polymorphs.
And every single one broke within five seconds. Sometimes I was within half a second of looting the book, so I managed to get a friend to help me.
Only to discover, we were on different layers. Even though we were literally the only two people in the zone.
make that make sense and unfortunately he was on alliance and i was on horde so i couldn't force
lair him over to mine eventually got close i got incredibly lucky my first four polymorphs missed
and then out of desperation i cast a frost nova and it landed i ran in and i was finally able to
claim my book one book one hour over 30 deaths worth it we'll see soon enough next we went to black
rock mountains and ironically these two books were some of the easiest ones to get which was a nice
change of pace we also discovered a brand new npc named iqthar orchvery but there was another
discovery here that i think could become a pretty big deal it appears to be impossible to take the
I just want to know what these books actually do
I understand he's running around collecting books. I get it and it's a it's because he's low level I get it
Hey Polly, whatever. Is this the neck and ring shit or is this a mage thing?
Hidden mage profession ten books for a neck. This is the book for the neck
There's two different necklaces one with four agility and six stamina. Oh
But the real reward comes when you turn in the next nine.
Have a cool book speech with me, guys.
Have a cool book speech with me, guys.
Turn in the next nine.
I want to see the six in six stamina,
while the other one gives you four spirit in six stamina.
But the real reward comes when you turn in the next nine.
Have a cool book speech with me, guys.
OK, OK, new recipes, study.
Study.
What does that do?
Research.
Oh, the research.
I'm on research.
This is the one that was for light fetish.
Holy shit.
OK.
Holy shit.
OK, OK, OK, OK.
You unlock the brand new.
Interesting.
Some mages need light feathers for this.
Cool.
Called research.
And if you're not familiar with the system, don't worry.
Nobody is.
This is brand new to World of Warcraft,
let alone World of Warcraft forever.
Back in season of Discovery, the system was much less refined
and players had to figure out which scrolls deciphered
into which items.
He's buying all the feathers.
I've discovered something really interesting.
I've opened over 100 level one requirement scrolls
and another 100 plus level 15 scrolls.
And from what I've discovered,
the research ability appears to scale
with your comprehension level,
meaning the higher your comprehension gets,
the better the loot you can get from research.
And research itself is a one hour cooldown.
And easily enough, all you need are light feathers
in order to do the cooldown.
From my testing, it appears to give two items,
but that's only the beginning.
because I still haven't figured out everything the system can do.
And there are still books out in the world that I haven't collected.
In fact, you might have noticed that I turned in only 18 books,
and that reason is that the book that I collected closest to Blackrock Depths
was actually turned into a completely separate NPC,
which raises a really interesting question.
What happens when we start turning into higher-level books?
Because if I were a betting man,
I'd wager that some of those later rewards could be significantly more powerful than the Necklaces,
maybe an epic quality item with no level requirement,
maybe a brand new ability,
or maybe Blizzard has something completely different planned,
and that's exactly what I'm going to find out.
I'm going to spend the next few days gathering some friends,
tracking down every book I can find,
and pushing the system as far as possible,
Because while this isn't season of discovery, Blizzard has clearly found a way to take some of the best ideas from S.O.D.
And transform them into something new for World of Warcraft forever.
And if this is only one of the hidden systems that we've discovered at level 20, I can't lose.
Alright. Interesting.
Okay, part two? Oh, part two.
Five days a week.
And even then...
Volume warning, volume...
Today marks day three of the WoW Forever beta.
And while leveling up my mage's comprehension skill, which allows us to decipher these mysterious
scrolls, I received a message from a good friend of mine, Shine's Lights.
The previous day, he had discovered something absolutely insane, while deciphering scrolls
has made-
Use on Blade of Silver Lane to create a powerful weapon, the Scroll of the Saber.
So with his new mage-reserv-profession, I guess, they can get this scroll.
Silver Lane is the guy they were freaking out just at the intro, so let's skip to that.
of early game gear and collapsed parts.
Assume the most up, entire dungeon.
With, to see if we could find the sword.
And after clearing the entire dungeon, nothing.
No hidden weapon.
No clickable object.
No obvious quest.
Nothing.
At this point, we started wondering
if we had completely misunderstood the tooltip.
Maybe the blade of silverling
wasn't actually inside Shad of the Keep.
Maybe it was somewhere in the open world.
Maybe it was part of the quest we hadn't discovered yet.
Or maybe we were just wasting our time.
And during that break, I figured,
why not keep deciphering scrolls?
Maybe I could get my own scroll
if this thing was connected to.
Shine's lights had done it.
It'd become the first person we knew of
to actually obtain the weapon, blade of silverling.
Our theory was correct.
Get back into Shadow Thank You, I immediately got back into the game, rounded up the group, and we headed back into Shadow Thank You.
Reset, kill Silver Lane, but now we knew one of them would not be the lowest damage class in the game, besides they were even then, more of a small...
Oh my god!
They're okay.
The weapon we had been looking for, and honestly, that was already an incredible discovery.
But then we used the scroll to Saber and combined it with the blade of Silver Lane, and there it was.
And this brand new weapon was called Cold Flame Saber.
Okay, so yeah, here's the Cold Flame Saber. I've seen this. This is pretty sick, by the way.
Increased damage and healing by 32, which is a lot at this level.
Melee attacks deal 100 fire additional damage against frozen targets.
That is fucking cool.
I wonder if it's going to be worth melee weaving.
I don't know if it is, because you'd probably rather just Ice Lance, right?
leveling probably. I mean, maybe, maybe a different class. I don't know. It scales the spell power. Oh, so you think it'll do more damage than Iceland's?
Maybe. That's pretty cool. You should see Ziko's clip on this. Well, how? How? How could it's
level 21. No one can use it yet.
It's funny, his reaction.
Uh, okay, well, fucking show me the clip. Maybe I can find it.
Alright, twitch.tv.zika for the windslash videos.
Clips.
Um...
44 hours. It might be seven days. Uh oh.
Well, here's a cold flame imagination.
This might be it.
Not as a gimmick as a very real thing and I'm trying to imagine as beautiful as possible,
right?
Then I'm imagining myself, right?
I'm going up. I'm going to the priest, right? I'm walking right into him. Boom. I know by him.
He dispels it. I swing my massive sword, right? Boom. 32 damage absorbed. Then I get feared.
Into an elite crocodile in Strangleton Vale. And then that crocodile and that priest take
turns with my asshole and then again I'm waking up at the same place the
graveyard my screen is completely gray wondering why the fuck did I listen to
some dumbass video and make a battlemage and I'm imagining myself against
the warlock right and I'm walking up to the same shit no it's like it's flavor
whatever it's fun but it's trash. Alright, whatever. Cool. I'm glad it's in the game.
It's kind of cool. Um, alright, close those. What else we got?
I want to ask you a question. Does this asset look like it belongs in vanilla World of Warcraft?
Wow, forever is a visual disaster. No, of course not. It's new. That's not what
I mean what I'm asking is it looks like I
Feel like it's just gonna be a bunch of shit. I just I already know what he's gonna say
But people just like hearing it
Yep, the druid forms look bad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah future art whatever
It's a yeah video
But hold on wow forever tier list which classes feel the best for leveling I don't know who this is mobile
I'm curious to see what they fucking come with.
Let's start off with easily the most popular class in the beta, the Paladin, or more specifically,
the Undead Paladin.
The amount of these has been insane and I can't really say anything about it because
I was one of them.
The Paladin was the first class I leveled and it was a lot of fun.
This class just feels exceptionally strong.
You clonk down mobs in no time at all with your judgement, holy strike and an auto attack
or two and you don't ever really seem to run out of mana or even get low on health either.
And if you do get into a tricky situation, you've got heals, bubbles, bops, and all that utility to keep yourself alive.
Plus also the addition of the one hour buffs with Blessing of Might or Wisdom or Kings at level 20,
which aren't anything to complain about either.
Honestly, when I was leveling my Paladin, I ended up playing all three specs without even changing my talents.
I tanked in Rage Fire Chasm, I healed in Ruins of Lorda Ra,
I went full DPS ret in Wailing Caverns,
and I had a blast in all three of these dungeons and all three of these specs feeling very useful
and very impactful with my utility and damage. In terms of how the class actually feels, it feels
very complete and definitely stronger than it's ever been before in classic or vanilla versions
of the game. It's more engaging and it's very quick. I think the only real times I actually
died were when I overpooled a million murlocs with low mana and no bubble up or once or twice in
rage fire chasm with my friends in a 1am dungeon run. Now I'm not sure how the Paladin will scale
into the later levels, but for now it's definitely up there with one of the best all-round leveling
and class experiences that our team has had so far. Next up we have the Hunter, and if you've
played one in the beta already, you probably know exactly where this is going because they feel
ridiculously strong so far. They do. A lot of that comes down to your pets because once you tame it
at level 10- Hey pause, did they buff Arcane Shot or something? Because I was leveling a hunt, I
I got to level 10, so I don't even have a pet yet.
Arcane Shot was just clobbering.
It scales on AP now, I mean, but even without it,
it's just insane.
Oh, it scales with AP, not SP.
I mean, even then, wow.
It was doing some serious fucking damage.
A zero AP, I guess maybe because my base stats
are agility and strength or whatever, but wow.
leveling experience just completely takes off. Pets now actually scale, you'll barely
ever have to feed it and it will always stay happy and it absolutely pumps. This naturally
also means it holds threat very well too so the whole experience just feels incredibly
smooth. Apparently cat pets in particular are doing some crazy damage right now and there's
a good chance that maybe a little bit too much. But regardless of whether the numbers
get changed at all throughout this beta cycle, the actual gameplay of the Hunter so far is
fantastic. You send in your pet, start shooting, barely even need to worry about taking damage,
and then just constantly keep moving from mob to mob as mana issues are no way near as bad as
they used to be in classic either. There is very little downtime or danger, and you can comfortably
tackle difficult quests that other classes might struggle to do. The good questions for this class
in WoW Forever are, how is marksmanship going to feel with lone wolf? Are pets just going to be too
strong to even consider taking lone wolf? What about survival? Is melee hunter going to be viable?
There's really a lot to look forward to in the later levels for these other specializations,
but for now, for first impressions, Beast Mastery for leveling specifically is definitely the way
to go. Next up we have the Warlock and this is a class that a lot of people have been excited about
with all the changes, the dots being able to crit and some really exciting new talents. Now if you
were looking forward to the class in Wild Forever, I can safely say you won't be disappointed.
Affliction feels amazing, and you can have some insane uptime when you get into the swindlethings.
Yes, levels 1-10 with your imp is a little bit of a grind, but it doesn't feel too bad,
especially if you get a decent early want. But then once you get level 10 and pick up your void
walker, this blue bloke is basically an unkillable threat machine. So from that point onwards,
it just feels easy. Just like hunter pets, demons feel so much better in WoW forever so far,
and these really help train the power lock's biggest trait when it comes to leveling, which is uptime.
Pets, Darts, Wands, Drainz, Lifetaps and Repeat.
Once the mob gets a bit low, send your pet to the next mob and let your Darts and Wands finish it off.
Let your pet build aggro on the next mob, apply your Darts and just keep repeating this process
to never really have to stop. If anything does go wrong during that process, you have fear and
health stones and drain life, so it's actually pretty difficult to die on this class from level 10
onwards. I'm not even making a world lock.
Not necessarily clapping mobs down in a few seconds, like a hunter or a paladin might be
able to do so far. But in terms of its leveling, its uptime, its pricey for life, and its-
I feel like it's gonna be so satisfying to get level 20, and then get decked out, and
have insane spell power. Putting up a full row of 100 SP or higher on someone and just
I gotta see the patch, are there no patch notes yet?
Are they gonna nerf Wand?
Because if not, that's crazy.
Playstyle, it's undeniably effective, and the WoW Warlock so far just improves on what
was already a powerful and underrated leveling class.
Now next up we have the Mage, and honestly there's been quite a bit of a debate so far
about this class in the beta, but really there's still a great class to play.
They have the best air we damage in the game at lower levels as arcane explosion can take
out entire packs of mobs in a few clicks.
They still have solid CC and control, they have food and drink and polymorph and all
those fantastic tools that they've always had.
Now the main reason why a lot of people think that mages are significantly worse is the
nerfster blizzard and air we leveling with the nerfs to improve blizzard and permafrost.
Dungeon mobs are also giving far less experience now and the XP is more tied to the quest from
dungeons rather than actually clearing mobs inside them.
So yes, AoE mage farming in the open world for solo leveling is worse, but in dungeons
AoE damage is still very useful.
And although you definitely won't be soloing dungeons like you're used to, they are still
a fantastic addition.
You shouldn't be able to solo dungeons.
And with that being said, Mages feel very powerful to level.
They still pump damage and they still have an amazing amount of quality of life abilities
throughout their journey from 1 to 20, with blink and blizzard amongst a plethora of skills
available once you reach that level 20 beta level cap.
I think the leveling journey for a mage in Wild Forever is just going to be a bit different
now and that's okay if you like the more traditional way of leveling.
Imagine having to quest in Dungeon.
I just, oh as a mage, oh no, I have to quest now in Dungeon, I can't.
The class still feels great, the talents are solid, the new scrolls you can use are a nice
extra fun form of flavour and realistically with the talent options available across all
three specs, they're going to be a great option to play.
is a DPS class at higher levels.
Okay, next up for our final A-tier class we have The Shaman.
Now this has been a really interesting way to do it,
but deep back and the general perception so far of this class
has actually been a little bit all over the place.
That was saying I was over exaggerating, Drew, and how bad it is at leveling.
In particular, obviously it was very good early on for the level.
You're still running around bonking things with a big clunker,
dropping your totems, and throwing out shocks.
But some of the changes in WoW Forever have really smoothed out
That's a massive melee hit, 173.
And the biggest thing the Shaman has going for it whilst levelling though, is just how ridiculously versatile it is.
Whilst levelling, as enhancement you can DPS dungeons, but also even heal them, and even do a little bit of tanking when you need to too.
Or some weird combination of two or three rolls, all at the same time.
But these are of course easier, lower level dungeons, and it'll probably get a lot trickier as we get towards higher levels,
where you might need to commit to one spec more than the other.
So you're probably not really a tastingly dedicated warrior or paladin tank later on.
And Blizzard has been pretty clear so far but not for a while but isn't simply carrying
over the design from Season of Discovery.
Now as a shamer though you have heals, ranged abilities, melee damage, weapon enhancements,
totems and an answer for lots of different various situations.
So versatility and utility is your thing, this class is still a top option for you to
go for.
I do think the concerns that some players have over the elemental shaman are valid.
but realistically the only show I'm not viable for is a leveling up in the lower levels anyway
until historically around level 40 and beyond.
This enhancement just doesn't have the same manner issues and has a much higher uptime
throughout the lower levels.
Now while we don't think the Shaman has felt quite as blatantly strong as the Hunter or
the Paladin, it's been really solid, flexible and most importantly, fun.
Next up in the beta we have the Rogue, which is a bit of a strange one because I think
there's actually a big difference between how strong the rogue is and how exciting or
not so exciting the forever changes feel. In terms of damage, the rogue feels fine.
We've seen rogues pumping in dungeons, killing mobs quickly, and generally doing all the
things you'd expect them to do with their slippery kits and heavy CC.
Energy regeneration feels fine, you've got great single target damage and once you start
getting more of your toolkit, you've obviously got vanish, evasion, sprint, sap, gouge, blind
and all that usual rogue good stuff. The problem is though that compared to something like
Paladin, the Rogue doesn't really feel massively different. A lot of players, including myself,
just feel like, yes it's the Rogue, the Rogue is good. Which isn't a bad thing, but it's just not
had the same glow up as some of the other classes so far. If you already enjoy the classic Rogue,
you're probably going to have a great time again here. And there's a lot of talent changes throughout
the specs at later levels that could be really fun to experiment with. It still has the fun additions
to the leveling journey too, like lockpicking, pickpocketing and poisons, but we have seen all
of that before. So purely from the leveling we've experienced so far, the rogue is still solid.
It feels plenty of damage, it's got pretty good uptime, and it's fun, it just hasn't quite
blown us away yet. Next up we have the priest, which is probably one of the least fleshy classes
on this list, but don't mistake that for it being bad, because the priest has already been really
solid so far in the beta. In the early levels, you're still doing a lot of what you'd expect
from the classic priest. You put your dotter, cast a few spells, get out your wand, and watch
the mob slowly die whilst your mana regenerates. It's simple and a little bit boring at times,
but it's typical priest gameplay, and that's okay. It's not exactly revolutionary,
but it definitely works. The priest glass is very safe, it's efficient, and because you've
obviously got access to healing and shields and plenty of utility, it's quite difficult to actually
die unless you're really pushing your luck. And then of course you've got the massive advantage
of being able to easily jump into healing when you go into dungeons. Priests can easily heal
these dungeons very comfortably while still having enough downtime between heals to wand and
throw out damage and actually contributes a surprising amount. Discipline also shows
that the priest is out dpsing the druid. Where something priest is a class that's only going
to get better as the level cap increases. It's probably not going to win any awards for the
fastest 1 to 20 leveling experience, but if you want something safe, consistent and incredibly
easy to find groups with, the priest has been in a very comfortable experience so far. The real
The real major question is, how is Shadow going to shape up in the later levels?
It looks like a lot of fun with a lot of improvements and we cannot wait to try out more.
Moving into the last two classes in the Sea Tier and Sniper with the Druid.
Now although the talent trees are very interesting with dedicated cats or bear talents, more
engaging balance additions and some really cool new restoration abilities, fell everything
itself so far up to level 20, we haven't really scratched the surface just yet.
I'm gonna be honest and say that the one to 10 Druid experience is pretty miserable.
Laugh and roof-side.
Yes!
God damn it, yes!
Somebody said it!
Holy fuck!
Got right into it, the fucking truth!
Thank you!
Don't hit hard and instead just basically inconvenience the mobs you hit with them.
And typically thorns and melee attacks actually feel like they do more damage to get to level 10,
unless you get lucky with some early spell power gear or potions from Alchemy.
Once you get level 10, Bear still feels a little bit like Luster, but then starts to take some gear on your way to level 20 and get a lot better.
However, with the rage changes, you don't really get quite as much and can feel starved at times, which leads to poor threat in dungeons, especially if your DPS are pumping.
There are some really fun thorns builds going around though, which I'm sure you've seen by now, and the Bear at least really starts to get more enjoyable at level 20, once you've got some nice items under your belt.
Cat Form is only just unlocked at level 20, so it's hard to really dive into too much of that just yet.
But the single target definitely seems nice, although the lack of energy regeneration is not so nice.
But again, that's a level 20 Druid thing, not a wow forever Druid thing.
There seems to be a lot to look forward to for the DPS Cat Druid later on at high levels, even with the removal of Power Shifting.
The Balanced Druid could also be a much more fun option around level 20 plus, and Resto feels great in dungeons so far, so there's plenty to like here.
The Druid is still a fantastic, flexible, and versatile class, as it always has been,
but right now for this opening level and journey, it is a little bit hit and miss.
It's definitely not doomed, and I'm sure it'll feel much better as the levels go up,
but the early levels don't feel that great, especially if you started with something like
a Paladin the first time around like I did.
Okay, finally, we have the Warrior, which has always been a trickier class to level,
as they just aren't really designed for solo content, and this tree is largely still the case.
Although, let's be honest, you can't really beat rolling a warrior in a hardcore, it just feels right.
Now the warriors do have a get victory rush at level 20, which should make leveling beyond 20 far
more enjoyable, but of course we haven't had a chance to experience from that. And from levels
1 to 20, it's pretty much the same old warrior game. Despite the changes to talents, nothing really
is that new or exciting in the early levels, and the changes to rage generation being normalized
definitely make it feel a bit naff. Big two-handers can't give you the big crits for more rage and
more rage dumping and instead it plays a roll around rend and just plonking mobs down slowly.
Now back before in previous versions of classic WoW, the bigger crits you got, the more rage you got
and it just turned into this addictive keyboard mashing gameplay that filled warrior mains with
enough dopamine to make rolling on an item 25 other warriors in your raid needed feel worthwhile.
Now protection from the other hand is really quite intriguing. It's actually a lot more fun now
especially compared to arms as the new talents give you much more rage if you are tanking enough mobs
in a dungeon. Now I don't want to be all doom and gloom though and hope is not all lost for the
warrior. I'm sure they will still get better with levels and gear and maybe even a lot sooner than
we expect especially with all the crazy items you can get now from dungeons and professions.
They're still likely going to be a powerful DPS class in the end game but for now the level is
specifically here. One thirty print unclean with a one in terms of how the class feels,
the changes and the quality of life, we will have to put them at the bottom for the time being.
And that just about wraps it up. Remember guys, there's not a video telling you what you should
play, it's simply a reflection. This person sounds like they're trying to be a little more positive,
but I think they're a gamer. Top comment, one through ten druid is Z tier.
The chat was saying I was wrong. I don't know, they were disagreeing with me. Who do I listen to?
Interesting though, regardless
Fuck is this the warrior problem Alondo two hours getting right into this first. Okay. Oh, here we go
Here we go. This is gonna be everybody's gonna cover over like
The rage issue before I watch it. I bet it's gonna talk about in classic
And this is why warriors were so overpowered is whenever you do like the harder you hit the more rage you gain and
So as warriors got more and more stats, they basically would infinitely scale
Kind of breaking the game and then you throw in the world buffs too and how much they benefit
kind of crazy
Obviously that needed to be changed, but I think all of the warrior mains of classic you're basically
balancing them or toning them down so much that they all feel horrible. It just
feels horrible. So I bet that's what he's gonna talk about.
Things first, we can go ahead and admit that Warrior is the best class in the
game in vanilla while they're by far the strongest DPS. The meta in vanilla is
stack Warriors and stack the classes that help the Warriors. So if you're
Horde, you bring shawmans for them, both factions bring Druids and one Druid, one
Warlock to debuff the target and they kill everything for you because they just
do way more damage than everyone. They are the strongest EPS, even without Bisc gear.
Common misconception is that warriors do low damage at low gear, but they are just very
over tuned in vanilla. They do the most damage without gear, they do the most damage with
gear. A lot of this is because of rage generation. The way they generate rage and vanilla is
pretty crazy. It's basically, the more damage you do, the more rage you get.
Oh, this is autistic. He's showing clips. These are four squawks. So what you do is you summon
your stupid chicken it's an engineering item and this chicken every time it
attacks it has a very small chance to buff everyone in the raid with I think
5% attack speed so the entire raid uses a squawk this little engineering it's
party not raid so his entire party he got four squawks I think this is the
number one parse in the world does he also have his roots from the night of
starting area? Is he even trying? I don't see the roots.
Whatever.
More you can use your abilities.
Once again, they're the strongest single target, two target,
three target, four target. And not only that, but they have
like strong debuffs through Thunder, Demo and Thunder clap.
Like no one else in the game is Thunder clap. They're the only
applicator. Unless you have Thunderfake.
Always have Thunderfake.
Keep scaling to the bloodthirst. They have strong crit scaling
through Flurry and Impale. They have a positive feedback loop
with their gearing and their scaling. Like I said earlier,
more crits needs more Flurry uptime. Crits generate more
rage also. The more flurry at time you have, the more you hit, the more you hit, the more
rage you generate, the more rage you generate, the more you can use spells that proc flurry,
the more damage you do, means you generate more rage, and it's just a feedback loop,
right? This got out of control with world buffs because they gave you a crazy amount
of crit and AP. It made it so that warriors are just way better than everyone else. Warriors
and vanilla are strong without world buffs, and they are out of control strong with world
buffs. Later on in TBC they nerf rage generation and they increase boss armor.
So like in vanilla WoW when a boss is fully debuffed it has like really really
low physical damage reduction like maybe 5% meaning like every hit you do is
basically ignoring all armor. That means you just have a ton of rage like you can
attack once and get a full rage bar with a one-hander on. And this is a bit of a
problem because in solo content and group content you're gonna be fighting mobs
that have way more armor than raid bosses because in a raid you're gonna
have you're gonna have other warriors helping you sunder you might have a
a rogue using exposed armor,
you're gonna have a druid putting up, you know, fairy fire,
you're gonna have a warlock putting up Chris of Wreck.
Suddenly that boss with 37, 81 armor or whatever
now has like 400 armor.
But when you're in like a dungeon
or you're finding like a single mob,
you're not finding a mob that you're just doing like
30, 40% less damage to,
you're getting that much less rage,
you're pressing like no buttons
and suddenly you're just like completely weak.
This is why warriors are like historically so weak in classic.
It's because like you don't have the support
to generate that rage to press your buttons.
They've recognized that that's a problem, right?
Warriors were too strong in vanilla when supported and by themselves. They were like very weak
The forever devs know this and they've known it for a while
They've known it like back in the sawdays
I think we can all agree that worry was too strong in vanilla and that I needed to be toned down a little bit and forever
Blizzard response to this
What why did he zoom in on the rogues out DPSing him?
Or is it what that I needed to be toned down a little maybe he's trying to zoom in on this
Both of their response to this is to completely normalize Rage, so they make it so that all hits, all crits, and all glances of a weapon type will generate the same amount of Rage.
This means that if you have your best and salt legendary weapon and a grey weapon and they have the same speed, you're going to generate the same amount of Rage.
You're going to generate the same amount of Rage if you have 100 AP and 5000 AP.
This means that you don't get Rage from parries or dodges or misses, and this is like off the bat, this is a bit problematic.
Like it's fine to have rage normalization,
we'll get into that.
But to have it to this level with no compensation
is a bit of a problem.
So as it stands now, a Fury Warrior,
you will basically only be able to
blurt there somewhere when I'm on cooldown.
You're almost at the point where you can't.
Like when you first hit 60 and you spec Fury,
you won't be able to use your two buttons on cooldown.
You'll generate like 400 something rage a minute.
And to use both of those,
you need like a little bit more than 400 rage,
something like that, we won't get too specific.
The, this means that you're basically,
you're never pressing Heroic Shrek or Cleave.
If you do, it's bad, like you don't want a roach or a kikli over your actual buttons,
and it hurts arms even more.
Arms won't even be able to press Mortal Strike every time it's up.
You'll just be AFK most of the time.
So you're going to go from one of the highest APM specs in the game because you have an
off GCD ability that you use every swing.
You have butthurs to use, you have whirlwind to use, you can fill with hamstrings.
That's gone.
You can't press buttons anymore because you don't have the ability to generate rage anymore.
This is like extra bad when we talked about Sunder and DemoShout and Thunder Clap earlier.
Now if you're applying debuffs, what you should do, if you don't have those debuffs up, you
should be doing them.
It's going to absolutely destroy your rage economy.
And to top that all off, the rage you generate from taking damage is like almost halved according
to calculations.
So all things considered, they normalize rage completely and they didn't give us anything
in return.
Now if we compare it to future expansions, let's start with Cataclysm, which Cataclysm
is where they first normalized rage for warriors in the history of the game.
But in Cataclysm, your crit still generated extra rage, and there was also a passive like
the talent was called Blood Frenzy, which made you just had a chance to generate extra
rage on auto attacks.
You could charge in combat and execute didn't just dump all your rage.
You also had cooldowns like deadly calm, deadly calm was like a two minute cooldown.
When you pressed it, nothing you spent cost rage, so you could spam, you could spam all
your buttons for the duration of that deadly calm.
The cost of Mortal Shrike was lower to 20 from 30, 30 is egregious by the way.
And slam became like the filler that you use, it didn't reset your swing timer anymore.
It was like another button you could press to dump rage.
You also had access to things like Battle Trans, it was a talent that propped off of
like Butt Thirst, Mortal Shrike, and Shield Slam, which would make the next spell you
cast that cost more than 10 rage free.
Sweeping Shrike's rage cost removed and it was moved to like a one minute cooldown.
And Herald Shrek and Cleaver reworked to just be an off global cooldown button.
Your swing timer didn't matter, you just pressed it, it cost a lot of rage, it was
Inefficient to use so it was high-rage cost for like kind of low damage, which it's fine. We'll get into that. Okay. I'm gonna pause
And I'm just gonna what I'm thinking. What is the cooldown of Paladin's holy strike right now?
12 seconds 10 to 12
Okay, and blood thirst is like what a six-second cooldown
Whirlwind is like I don't know a six-second cooldown
I don't know if you could even the DPS. I guess paladins have judgment as well
But you can see how paladins have judgment and they've got holy strike rep paladins
We're just gonna compare these two classes and then you have warriors with blood thirst and whirlwind
Unless the paladin shit is just gonna be hitting way harder
I don't know if warriors should be able to hit blood thirst off CD and whirlwind off CD
unless we make the pallet and just hit five times harder or something, you see what I'm saying?
Like, how do you even this out to where rep pallet is using these two? Every class should be
somewhat, it shouldn't be crazy differences. So, but I understand how will your feels awful going
from classic era world buffs to current, and then the leveling experience looks even more miserable.
What is the fix there?
I'm not sure maybe increase the cool down of blood thirst and
Then increase rage regen a little bit
I
Don't know but that's my instant thought is I thought of holy strike being a 12 second CD and then judgment
And those are the only two buttons rep hallways have damage wise unless I'm missing something and
Then warriors have whirlwind and blood thirst. It's two buttons. But sure you can dump into heroic strike, but you shouldn't
How do you make them even?
Seals brother
I guess the yeah the paladin does auto attack and then they have their like seals doing a little bit of extra damage
But with that even out a six second cooldown bloodthirst to a 12 second cooldown holy strike. I don't know
I don't assuming you get it off CD or whatever. It does a lot. Warriors also have impale which is a bleed
So there's different things going on, but you see
Okay, I've spoken my thought process. I could be wrong
Whatever, let's keep listening. I also have the ability to inter rage on like a 30 second cooldown
Which would remove the cooldown of her or check and leave like her or check and leave like a three second cooldown
They're shared, but they're just a pure rage dump and that was a way to get rid of your rage if you had too much rage
I've also had battle shell you press battle shot to give you like 10 rage or something
But that's kind of minor that was the compensation for rage normalization and cataclysm
So they gave warriors all of that so you could actually play the game
You know you had all these things that you either had something that was free to use or you had something that would help
You generate rage and that way rage was normalized
So you didn't need every buff you didn't need every debuff to be able to play your class and you could actually play the game in cataclysm
Now in forever we get none of that. We don't even get critical strikes generating extra rage
Which is that's kind of crazy. I'll talk about that later again after cataclysm
We get miss the pandaria where they actually remove. I believe I'm not a hundred percent sure
I'm like 99% sure you don't get extra rage from crits and maw similar how it is in forever
But mortal strike became a generator
So instead of spending 20 rage to use mortal strike mortal strike was free and it gave you 20 rage
I'm not saying we need to do that
But this is just an example of compensation that wars were given with regionalization
He also had things like colossus mash which were free and then you have like low rage like overpower was like a low
rage ability, they changed stances and mops of battle signs. For example, when you were
in battle, you had 100% rage generation from autos, but you gained no rage from taking
damage. These stances, you could switch between the stances off global. They shared like a
small stance global, but you lost no rage. It was purely a rage thing. Berserker signs,
you would generate like half as much from auto attacks, but you generated a ton from
taking damage. So there was like this little mini game you could play on boss fights. If
you really understood the boss fight and you knew when damage was coming in, you could
go berserker stands for that extra rage. Also, you could use charge and combat again. There's
a bunch of expansions. I don't really remember everything from all the expansions, but you
can, you kind of get the idea here, right? Rage is normalized, but there's other things
that make the gameplay more dynamic. Even in retail, crits still give extra rage, like
a little bit of extra rage, and they also like proc, like an attack speed proc, kind of like
flurry. Arms, your overpowers are free, so do strikes is free, and you get like free
execute procs through seven death, and then like every once in a while you'll blade storm,
at least a slayer, you'll blade storm, and like during blade storm, you, you can't use
any spenders, but you do continue to generate through auto attacks. And forever, we don't
have we don't have any of this we just have auto attacks there's no way to
scale it through gear there's no free spells there's no procs you're just
gonna auto attack and you're gonna hope your auto attacks land so you can press
bloodthirst every once in a while you're not gonna have any rage to use like
cleave or whirlwind basically I say zero gear scaling but hit will scale up your
rage a little bit and then we haven't seen any haste on gear but haste with two I
think and this is basically turned warrior into like vanilla while frost mage
but you have to be in melee range and you don't press frost bolt you just auto
attack you just sit there you press your one button you get a big powerful
upgrade you know what if there is haste gear what if warriors are now not crit
machines but they're fucking haste machines I could see that it is level
20 again a lando of all people would have the foresight on what warrior would
look like at 60 there's really not a lot of buttons that you gain you can see it
And if you think they can't see it, that's because you're stupid and you don't know the game at all
You should just listen to someone like Alondo on this
Because they would know
Interesting though everybody knows when you hit level 30 you get your whirlwind axe now you're suddenly you're hitting a mob
You're getting 60 rage. That's gone. The rotation is like completely scripted. There's no variants basically the only variants is oh
I missed two attacks in a row. This is gonna delay my blood. There's by another however long
It's just gonna feel bad the little minigame that fury warriors played with your rage bar. That's gone too
You don't have enough rage to play with in vanilla TBC
You would make sure you didn't rage cap, you know, you would play your heroic tricks include so you didn't rage cap
You never wanted to rage cap
But you also wanted enough rage to be able to bloodthirst and warlin on cooldown. That's gone
That was one of the most fun things to me at least that's gone
You just don't have rage anymore and that coupled with the fact that you don't really gain rage from taking damage
Even if you did, bosses, at least in Classic, weren't really designed like how they are in later expansions where like,
for example, like Saffron has like a pulsing damage or that's really rare and vanilla while.
Not always that that can change in forever. They change out healer's work and stuff.
Maybe they add that, but even if they do, you're not generating much rage from taking damage.
Now after I've said all that, you know, you might be thinking, oh, rage normalization is the enemy.
It isn't really the enemy though.
It's probably the correct thing to do and I would be shocked if Blizzard backed off of this.
I think they're pretty intent on normalizing rage.
I think it's good for long term like the long-term health of the game
They're not gonna have to constantly look at warrior and do this and do that because warrior got this item now
They do so much rage there. They do so much damage because they have infinite rage when it's done. Well, it's good
Like I was saying earlier, you know how you're weak in solo content and group content like much weaker
Like obviously you're gonna feel stronger everybody can buff each other but warrior
Specifically you were so weak by yourself with rage normalization
You're not gonna feel as weak and like I said, it's gonna be easier for them to tune
Big example of this was in Sod, when they released the Nomuraid, they gave bosses a
ton of armor baseline, and that like disproportionately hurt warriors because now warriors would
do that boss and they had no rage.
So if they want to do something cool like oh you know maybe we want casters to be stronger
on this fight, we'll add armor to the boss.
It really screwed warriors over because now warriors can't press their buttons.
You're just gonna auto attack, you're gonna get like too rage, you can't press your buttons,
the casters are nuking the boss while you sit there and do nothing.
When they normalize rage, we don't run into problems like that anymore.
You'll always be able to press your buttons and play your class.
Speaking of sod, here's a quote from aggrin.
I'll just read it out loud here.
Warriors, Rage is a problematic mechanic because more damage equals more rage, equals more
damage equals more rage at infinite.
This is going to become more problematic at 60 as well, I've done all of this.
If we had to do it over again, we'd likely have normalize rage.
You don't get extra rage when you do more damage such crit.
By the way, this was two years ago when he's talking about sod and this is currently what
we have now.
We'd like to have normalize rage at the start of season and focus on major changes to their
gameplay to compensate. Now this is the problem. They haven't given us anything to compensate
as far as we know. Like I said from Cataclysm and Mop, they gave us a ton of tools to compensate
in forever. We've gotten nothing. We've gotten normalized rage and nothing to compensate.
So hopefully, you know, maybe we're- So it's level 20. So again, we can see the talents that we will
gain. It's there. You can see what happens after level 20. You can go to the trainer and see
what spells you will gain after level 20, and they don't get anything that he's referring
to compensation. I fucking hate the people saying it's only level 20. It's so stupid
and annoying. This point it's range made to have something secret later, but you can't
see the gears now. Okay. Do you think there's going to be gear that will fix this problem
on its own entirely. Maybe a set bonus, but what about by level 30 or by level 40? Should
we just ignore the entire one to 40 experience? I don't think you're going to find an item
that increases rage generation by 300%. You're not going to get something like that. That'd
be bis end game. So again, I think you're all fucking wrong and annoying.
Well, it's looking pretty brutal.
We're not going to be able to really press any buttons here.
And then I wrote some notes down for the specs.
Protection actually, protection's looking pretty good.
They were given some tools to compensate.
Shieldspeak is rage on block, I think they always had that.
Shield block, baseline blocks two hits, so you don't just spend a talent for that.
And it costs 10 rage, so shield block is basically free as long as you're getting hit.
You press shield block, it costs 10 rage.
You block two hits, you get 10 rage back.
That's great.
There's a talent that gives you rage when you dodge or parry, so if you're avoiding
the boss a bunch, you're not just gonna be screwed.
Cause like there are times, for example, in TBC, if you get like too tanky, you haven't
ever reached to like hit the boss, you can't use your spells, they don't want you to like
not to.
I'm really curious to see what they do to fix this, because yeah, you can't, we don't
want another ad infinitum, warriors scale and just get fucking ridiculous.
But how do you fix something like this?
Without over bloating the warriors, like he gave a bunch of cataclysm and mop spells,
but like you can't bring that in.
Classic's supposed to say simple, so what do you do?
You don't, again, he was saying, giving him these tools,
but you don't want to overblow the class.
The class is supposed to be simple.
Classic forever is simple.
I'm not sure, I'm really not sure.
Defensively because of that,
but this will help when you get like bad luck.
They have the focus rate challenge,
which reduces the spell, like all spell costs
by a flat amount, offensive spell, so like Sonder Revenge.
They buffed revenge like hard, like skills with AP now,
has way higher base damage, has a high threat modifier,
And the most important thing is it costs 5 Rage, 2 with Focus Rage, and you can kind of guarantee it through Shield Block.
You press Shield Block, you block, it procs your ability to use Revenge, you press Revenge, pretty decent threat.
Shield time is 20 Rage instead of 30, like the other caps on Talons.
Once again, those Talons cost way too much Rage.
And Prott Wars are tanks, so you're taking damage, you're taking way more damage than Fury Wars and stuff.
So you're gonna be getting more Rage that way.
Prott also has no incentive to play outside Beast Dance, so you can charge in Beast Dance now.
The only time you would leave Defensive Dance is like if you were gonna Mocking Blow something, realistically.
Or maybe like you can retaliation or recklessness or something, but that's not really a problem here.
So you don't have to worry about like, for example, arms wants to be like rending and stuff
and they probably want to press Whirlwind too if they have the rage for it.
And then one like thing that could be kind of problematic is like, once again the rage is normalized.
So if you walk up with no rage before a boss fight, you swing on the boss and you get dodged or parried
and that boss will now run to someone, you know, maybe it's Taunamian, we don't really know if bosses are going to be Taunamian.
You have like no way to get that back since you're not getting hit for revenge.
This is just like, this will be solved later with like expertise and stuff, but it doesn't
want to think to look out for. Arms I think has hurt the most by far. Now this is all assuming
that they care to make arms a viable PvE spec, which I don't think there's a reason to believe
that they aren't because they added things like the slam talent and you don't really want to be
standing still and slamming and PvP. So arms is generating like Rayless Rage than Fury, like almost
50% less rage, I think arms has another ability to spin in swiping strikes that costs 30 rage my crazy
He looks like he's getting a diesel on a rage that's like attacking for like each second. I'm saying random overpower calls. Hey, what that was a pretty good amount of rage
on this one pool
I believe that they aren't because they added things like the way what do you start with which?
I don't think there's a reason that they aren't because they added things like the slam talent
You don't really want to be standing still and slamming and pvp. So arms are generating like rayless rage than fury like almost 50% less rage
I think arms has another ability to spin and sweeping strike. Ooh
Okay, I can see so
He missed he's generating like 15 rage per swing
Each swing he's got a pretty slow weapon. So that's 15 rage every three seconds
And that's assuming you don't miss
Mortal strike cost 50 you have to apply rend
You need to mortal strike every six seconds.
It's 13 rage, not 15. I'm just again, basic math, whatever.
Yeah, it's not enough to play the game.
It costs 30 rage, which is once again, that's a lot of rage.
That's like attacking for like eight seconds or something.
Ring and overpower calls require you to be in battle sense and you,
generally if you're DPSing you want to be in berserker because it like lets you use world
end and you have 3% more crit.
Arms doesn't have flurry, which is like, flurry is the best talent in all three trees.
it's by far the best DPS talent you can get and it also increases your rage gen. I assume,
like maybe there's something weird with talents where it doesn't, but we can assume that it makes
you generate more rage. Another problem is Mortal Strike has like zero scaling, it's just like flat
weapon damage, which I mean it scales with AP technically but not very hard, like what their
scales much harder than Whirlwind. Like I was saying earlier with the PvP, it's kind of,
when you're making these changes you always have to kind of think about PvP. Some people try to
write PvP off as like this thing that no one cares about. I don't think it's true in classic,
I think pvp is pretty important to the game and I think as a game developer you can't just outright say we don't care about pvp
So I think they're gonna have that in mind and a huge problem with arms as it has mortal strike
Which is like a 50% heal reduction and if they're tuning around mortal strike
They don't want warriors to be too broken
So their damage is gonna be lower and I think a way to fix that is you shift talents around you like you maybe you play death wish and
And you rework slam into being the spender you reduce the amount of points you need for bloodthrill stuff like that fury
I talked about the little mini game of like, you know, making sure you don't rage cap, but having enough reach to but there's someone on cooldown
At its current value, you're basically like unable to but there's more on a cold or if you are it's like you're barely able to
Proc sure can cleave. You'll never have enough rage for them
And one of the highest AP inspects in the game is reduced to like if you're lucky you'll press two buttons on cooldown
We're just kind of turned into it like like a mage and even the majors are complaining majors went from one button and vanilla
And you know I watched this little thing the majors are like, okay
Well, we have Iceland's but that's just two buttons and arcane is just buttons
I think the complexity is a bit too low for the rotations not that you need to have complex rotations
But this is a little bit too far in the in the wrong direction
I think now this is a one of my biggest gripes as having recklessness now recklessness is a 30 minute cooldown
That oh here we go. This is when his pars brain is about to come out
I am gonna predict he's gonna talk about how
Now, recklessness kind of sucks because all of the top parsers will just be warriors with
recklessness up.
And that's it.
And all the top parsers are just, it's, which is true.
It's kind of fucking annoying.
I'll be honest.
Just take recklessness out of the game.
All together.
It gives you 100% crit for 15 seconds and makes you take 20% more damage.
I think it being a 30 minute cooldown is completely unacceptable in the year 2026 when you're when you're in a raid and all your friends are popping their cool cooldowns and you don't have your button up you just like sitting in the corner okay but if you lower it too much
Warriors will be one-shotting everyone in PvP all the time.
Like it's just oh wreck I'm dead instantly.
That's it.
Oh here we go let's listen to this guy.
Just hoping, you know, just wishing you had your buttons.
And it also quickly devolves into like,
oh, okay, I get to have fun on one boss this week.
I get to pick one boss to press recklessness.
Maybe, maybe two.
You know, chances are you press that recklessness,
and you know, maybe there's a really cool mechanic
that crowd controls your character randomly.
And now you just, you got your one boss of the week,
and John Blizzard says, mm-mm, you don't get to play this fight.
And like, just imagine how bad that feels.
We've all been there.
Any warrior player's been there.
And also I think it leads to tuning problems.
Like, if Warriors seem to be good without Rek, then how broken are they going to be with Rek?
Season of Discovery addresses this.
They addressed it pretty early, even like, I think Rekklesness was never 30 minutes in Saad.
Rekklesness was 5 minutes in Saad.
I think it was a 12 second duration and only plus 50% crit.
And I much prefer that.
And an argument people are going to make is,
Rekklesness being that long of a cooldown is important because they want every Rekklesness
you press to like be really memorable for the journey to level 60 or like the journey to whatever,
you know, whatever your goal is.
Like I don't completely disagree. I can see it as an argument. The problem is, you get Wreck at level 50, like you're deep into the journey at that point, and Wreck is such a long cooldown that people are going to be like way less likely to press it because like what happens when you press Wreck and you don't get to do anything with it.
Like what happens, you're really thinking, oh, I really want to press Wrecklessness on this mage, but if I press...
Yeah, okay, I agree with him just nerf it and make warriors scale to where rec is a five minute cooldown sure
Like I I was if you made it like a 100% crit chance every five minutes or maybe like
dare I say
I'm even warriors kind of have rec they have berserk and that's a three minute cool down
But barrels don't hit as hard as warriors do they just don't it's recklessness and he just sheeps me
I'm gonna uninstall the game and I don't think I'm the only one who's like that
Like I think people are gonna be really hesitant to even press the button on a 30 minute cooldown
But once again, there's few feelings in the game worse than pressing a 30 minute cooldown and then getting no value from it
Like I I just press recklessness and frostbite propped on me and then made step the way and shep me what now or I
Press recklessness and then the guy just one shots me because I'm taking like 38% more damage or whatever because it's
It's multiplicative with berserker stance and deathwish and all that.
Choosing when to press your button creates more stress than the value you actually gain
from pressing the button and the feeling you get from pressing recklessness, in my opinion.
I talked about the taking extra damage, like normally when you press wreck, you're going
to do so much damage that you might just pull that around and die with your 30 minute cooldown.
That feels horrible.
And another thing is retaliation and shield walling forever reduced to 15 minutes, which
I still think is too long.
Like one of my favorite things about SOD was retabbing 5 minutes.
It lets you feel like warriors are bad at leveling, right?
One of the coolest things was every five minutes,
you got to feel like a real class.
You know, you could pull two mobs
and press retell and live.
I think retaliation is a really cool ability.
And you never really got to use it in vanilla
because you always want it to wreck basically.
Shield wall is also 15 minutes and shield wall is also,
there are talents for shield wall to be four minutes
in protection, which is, that's great also.
And one other thing that people like to overlook is,
we don't really know how raids are gonna be designed,
but let's assume they do want us to maybe
prog every once in a while.
If they want us to progress raids
and you're playing a warrior and wreck us 30 minutes,
How bad is it gonna feel to like press wreck and wipe?
And now for like the next 30 minutes are kind of worthless.
Another question I have is like why people wanna talk
about the Warrior Class fantasy and the journey,
but like why does it have to be tied
to a 30 minute cooldown
when no other class has a problem like that?
Like even, I think lay on hands was reduced
from one hour to 20 minutes.
It's of my opinion that most people would agree
to have a weaker recklessness on a shorter cooldown
over a 30 minute recklessness with 100% crit.
But once again, that's an extremely opinionated thing.
and maybe not everyone's gonna agree on that, obviously,
but this is a big deal to me.
I hate being worthless outside of my wreck.
And to wrap it up with recklessness,
like the decision to press wreck
is never as exciting as the fantasy, like in your head.
Like a lot of the times you press wreck
and you do nothing, like, you know,
and vanilla while every auto attack you do
still has a 40% chance of glance.
Even if you have 150% crit,
40% of the time you swing, you'll glance.
Glances can't crit.
Like if anything, whenever you press wreck,
like more often than not, your wreck is gonna feel weak.
And that makes it like something
that people are really hesitant and anxious to press
instead of a cool cool down that makes you feel stronger.
And I just don't want to do a 30 minute cool down.
If you look at retail, wow,
which obviously we're not trying to be retail,
but their longest cool down is basically three minutes.
And I don't think the developers,
even the three minute cool down,
30 minutes is just like, it's so baffling to me,
especially since they made it five minutes and solid.
Yeah, I agree, warrior was too strong in vanilla,
it needed to be nerfed.
The rage normalization is a good thing if they do it right.
And right now, I don't think they've done it right.
Let's say that the current iteration of Warrior right now with its rage does the most damage,
I would gladly do significantly less damage to have a rotation that I can actually enjoy
pressing my buttons.
And I just end this with some suggestions.
It's really hard to make suggestions because you have to keep so many things in mind.
You have to understand that the majority of the player base is not going to be trying
super hard on in-game raids, and you have to keep in mind PvP, you have to keep a ton
of things in mind.
So this is just some things that I've suggested.
First of all, let's make Wreck of 5 minute cooldown, just like Sod.
Make it give less crit.
You can make it give like 20% crit, 30% crit.
I don't care.
Just lower the cooldown, lower the duration, make it weaker if you want.
That's fine.
Honestly, they could remove it.
I agree with that.
They could make Wren generate rage.
So they had a rune and sod season of discovery where you're Wren.
Like 3 minute cooldown, 20% crit chance.
I'd be cool.
That'd be sick.
Yeah.
That is so strong.
But you should have it for every boss fight.
Let's make it retail.
I don't think that's very retail.
I mean, and there's also, again, the argument, and y'all can hate parsing and all of that,
but it does suck that you're, it's just all 30 minute cooldowns.
It sucks for everyone.
It's dumb.
Just play Retail.
God, y'all are annoying.
Ticks gave you rage, and it actually made Rend like a rage positive spell, so like it
cost rage to use, but it generated more rage than it cost.
So like for example on like PAX, you would multi-dump Rend and then you would like have
other buttons to press.
They could also just straight up make Crits give generate more rage.
I don't really know the logic behind removing that.
If their whole talk about like making your progression on your character slower, I find
hard to believe that you're gonna reach a crit mount that's gonna be crazy. They
don't even have to make it do double, like they could just make crits generate
five more rage or something, like depending on your weapon speed. I think
they can make deep boons generate rage, I think they've done that in retail and
some other expansions. I like bloodsurgers an idea. Slam is really horrible, I
don't think they really know what they want to do with slam. Slam in Vanilla
WoW is a button that you never press. A lot of the times, like when I was rolling
a ward, I wouldn't even train slam. It's basically worthless. There's talents and
arms that make you what do you slam for your chat man.
As it's still a 15 second cooldown of blood surge proc like some sort of free slam like in Wrath of the Lich King
that would be cool, but it would have to be instant and like not reset your swing timer. They could give you
like a medium length CD generator like in Dragonflight, there was something called Skull Splitter, maybe
some other dimensions. It was just like, you do a little bit of damage, you generate some rage, they
could do sudden death, they added in Wrath of the Lich King to let you use and execute at any HP amount.
They also added this in solid, but Execute was tuned so poorly and it dumped all your rage that you never actually used it.
And finally, I mean, they could just make you generate more rage for auto attack, but I don't...
Surely they've had a lot of time to think about this. Maybe they don't want to do it.
Yeah, that's my thoughts as someone who's played Warrior.
Interesting. Okay.
Interesting.
I can't tell if the chat doesn't play WoW or if they're intentionally just make WoW better.
I don't... Dude, I don't know.
It's very, very dumb across the board, close that.
Oh, yeah, this is the best wand built or priest built.
In case you wanted to copy this.
Make sure you guys take a screenshot.
You don't want to forget this.
This is if you're playing priest.
This is what you do.
You got it right here.
Got it?
Okay, close that.
Interesting.
servers are still down, by the way.
What is this?
Forums, maintenance is underway.
September 24th.
Surely they're going to fix a lot of the memory leak issues, right?
I feel like that was Pryo number one even before balancing the game.
Okay, you literally cannot go on Orgammar right now as a Horde player.
You can't go on Org.
It's bad.
Everyone's in Thunderbluff.
Did you read the top part?
No, I didn't.
Did I miss something?
What am I missing here? A couple of hours? I already knew that.
what why are you acting like I didn't know that already so why are you asking
if it's up well because it's actually been has it not been like an hour and a
half I guess it's not a couple hours sure cool
The fuck is this? No, I don't know what you just linked me.
A couple hours equals four, and I'm not playing today. That's it.
You think there is a chance the Neva leveling as a prot warrior may be faster than arms?
Specs seem strong and with pulling three to four mobs you might actually have enough
rage.
That would be an Alondo question.
Can I ask him, who would know?
There's going to be another only thing.
There will be when a hardcore server is released, which I don't know if they've given a date.
I'm still kind of like, I don't even want hardcore anytime soon.
Maybe I'm like in the minority, but I really want the game to marinate for a bit before
we start like because once you start doing hardcore classic it really kind of
just comes like dying in the world feels so stupid and like the the normal
game starts feeling worthless and I know it's not but it doesn't it just
doesn't help so I almost want them to delay it a lot more like maybe a couple
raid tiers? Like let's use classic era terms. Maybe like after BWL releases around there,
but whatever the Wild Forever version of that would be. So like a year? Honestly, yeah,
I'd be okay with them waiting a year. But he said this winter, I'd rather it be even longer,
but that's not up to me. If it does release this winter, how long is that? That's soon, isn't it?
late winter fuck as late as possible
yeah I'd have to start putting things together
I mean kind of
a lot of stuff's already been put together for the we were gonna do TBC
only things but I stopped it I just didn't think it would be good
and I was right by the way fucking
some people were like dude we did a hardcore TBC
Who streamed it? I'm like, yeah, you're right. You guys streamed it and it's a bunch of legit, no-lifing, wow-sweats.
Bored as fuck doing... Like, you want me to do this with Tyler1?
How many times did you all fucking re-level?
You stupid fucks.
Like, no, it's a terrible viewing experience. Miserable.
Absolutely awful.
You guys are even doing hardcore on a game mode that is meant to last forever.
True.
Let me call Ryan.
I need to see if I am doing what is today.
Okay.
I think I do have poker practice in like two hours.
message and make sure. Poker practice. Yeah, I know. Not very exciting, but it is a $50,000
tournament and I just have to beat XQC. That is all I have to do in a 1v1. So, Ryan's freaking
out as he's an avid poker player and it's he just he just wants to fucking give me
knowledge he wants me to win so badly Tyler one dropped out dropped hard on
his stream with dumb shit like poker don't go the same route Tyler one
dropped hard on his stream with dumb shit like poker. What? What does it even mean?
Oh, okay. New add-on for multi-monitors.
Damn!
Hey Soda, I'm 12 and I stole my mom's credit card to donate. You're my favorite streamer. Do 67 plaza
This is fucking sick, man
I mean, you can't really do this as a streamer, but for everyone else this is awesome
It's called offhand
There you go chat. It's called offhand if y'all want to use this. This is cool
It looks like it's got your map and your character sheet even your chat on the other monitor
I don't know how I feel about the chat on the other monitor. I feel like my neck would start hurting
Honestly my neck is starting to hurt just looking at this I look at my bags a lot
Maybe the map being here is okay, maybe fucking put this monitor I
I don't know, maybe some people would love this.
I can see myself getting kind of annoyed.
So pretty cool.
How do you do that?
How do you put this in an add-on and wow, and how do you decide?
I guess it makes like your map a-drag-able and it just drag it to the other monitor?
I don't know.
Weird to me.
This guy was linking his shaman build for what again I don't even know what this is for
Water shield. What does this do? Increase your critical strike damage of your stuff.
There's a chance after any accuracy your next fire or whatever.
Loses the mana cost. Increase attack power by whatever.
However, this has to be PVP as you're not even taking Flurry.
Yeah, you don't really need Maelstrom weapon.
Huh.
You take Mindfulness as a 50% mana regen at all times.
Kinda nuts.
Healing Wave Reduction and Cost.
Huh.
Increase your spell damage and healing by up to 15% of your intellect.
Hmm.
Elemental Weapons.
What is the storm strike 8 second cooldown? Alright. Interesting.
Looks poop. I don't know.
I would be concentrating this hard at poker. Hey, what's up, Ryan?
Yes, I'll text him on my way. I might be a little early if that's okay. Early? That might not be okay.
We'll see.
Why are you grabbing mana shield? Yeah, I don't know why he got mana shield and why we got title focus
I feel like that's six talent points I can go elsewhere for sure
Oh hit chance nevermind that's pretty good. I didn't see that last part
Improved fire nova could be big too.
Like you could sac water shield and then you could sac 1% hit rating and you could put
that in improved fire nova.
I could see that being really good.
Oh my god, Earthbind.
Your Earthbind totem immobilizes targets for five seconds.
You need to have that.
How do you not play with this?
You'd have to sack this hit rating and you gotta figure it the fuck else.
You gotta figure it out elsewhere.
Yeah, it's kinda nuts.
Hmm, just play Alley it was better in classic.
Maybe if they fix the scaling on lighting bolt and stuff.
Where are these patch notes by the way?
You should really get this add on so all the zoomers watching can survive classic leveling
experience link.
Subway Raider.
Let me just type it in myself.
I don't see it here.
Sir, I ain't clicking your link here.
It's called Subway Raider, no space.
I guess it's not on WoW forever.
Hmm
Oh
How are you defense Alondo?
What is this audio what the fuck what I hear myself?
All right, it is not acceptable to to be hating on theory crafters on how to make
the game feel better that is what a beta is for that is literally why we're
playing the beta as long as it's analytical and you're not crying saying
off my class I suck which this is not then there is nothing wrong with valid criticism
of how can I make my class class feel better if you are the guy saying oh warriors finally
nerf and they're crying you're you're missing the point please go sit in the corner and
take a timeout and for the rest of us we can continue having a conversation about how the
game can feel better I'm frustrated guys I'm frustrated there's so many
Man, I just, I'll tell people to kill themself, like, for Zarya, you just can't just say that.
It feels so fucking good to just, tack, those who deserve it.
It really does, and he's just such a PG guy, man.
Telling you to fucking go in time out.
Any of you, I'm having a conversation on how I can make, uh, how we could,
how we can make mages, uh, have a fun rotation, and people are like, oh, go cry, you're a mage.
Oh, he's right. He's absolutely right.
Just say a slur, bro. Come on. Let it out.
Just one. Just say it.
Uggh.
A Zaryu slur would go so hard. It would be sick.
Oh, shit.
I do hope I get invited to that wow podcast like Zaryu did. That would be fucking tight, but I just don't think that's gonna happen.
um yeah no there's a reason for it too
what is this
plastic glasses I'm feeling things look at the water look how beautiful this is
it feels like the vanilla that released back then it wasn't before but if they
like we did it that's why it feels amazing
amazing
this is insane but oh my look at this
it's like
oh my lord I didn't think it would be this
God there's so many people.
Okay, this is actually looking good.
This is looking really good.
This is nice.
Look at the lights!
Look at the lights!
Look at the lights!
Look at the lights!
We're being pulled by the camera!
They are there!
That makes me so happy.
That makes me so happy.
I'm literally tearing up a little bit, guys.
I'm feeling things, you guys.
Interesting.
Twitch, you fucking fucks.
Am I nothing to you?
is you're not is you're not just a five second clip of positivity from my stream
two seconds of positivity at the minimum is it that fucking hard to find it in this channel
there's gotta be some positivity somewhere there is seven eight hour vods bro come on
saying good things here and there
Boom can build please for PvE. I mean, dude, the shit's not hard to do yourself. I'll be honest. Is it that hard to make a build?
Are y'all just that fucking used to being sheep? Jesus Christ.
Okay. Well, you need this. No doubt. This is PvE. You're going to want the man I'd imagine. You need the hit rating.
Let's get the duration in sex warm max this out. You need this maxed out. You need eclipse maxed out
You need this maxed out. You need that you need this
simple
And then from here
You're looking for bonus damage on your bullshit, right?
Reflection would be really good to have you need reflection. So we max this shit out. This is damage. So we take that one two three bang you got it
Nothing else matters here. Oh, maybe a heart of the wild for an extra bit of intellect
That's it
Oh, you could also take Genesis that's also a play
Intelligence is just max mana
10% int isn't that big of a deal because you're gonna be weaving in mana potions or whatever you probably go Genesis honestly
Honestly, you don't need this
No, all damage plus 5% this is damage of periodic stuff. So Genesis isn't that big of a deal
It just buffs your dots by 1% int gives crit how much crit
I mean
This is really what do you get rid of here?
What do you sack?
Because I don't see anything you sack
Hit rating crit crit
So you can sac reflection
But I mean are you gonna be that manis are starved I don't know maybe moon canora is enough and you don't need reflection in which case
Again, you don't need Genesis you prefer naturalist here
But I don't know if you need heart of the wild like y'all are saying it gives crit I don't think it gives that much
I think you're better off with a build like this
You need the roots. We're talking DPS and RAID. Yeah, if you needed the roots for, like,
hey, we need our balance druid to have this, then sure, take it. Here you go. The range
is not needed. Well, it's 4% hit rating for two points. That's needed. You don't need
Starfire. Yes, you do. The balanced fluid rotation now uses Starfire and Rath. So you
do want to improve Starfire. This is correct and everyone disagreeing is wrong. The only
thing I would make an exception for is we're not sure how mana-starved you'll actually
be and you may not need reflection but I think you will and in which case this is correct.
And that's it.
Now do feral.
Oh, how exciting.
I already did feral.
Resto, you're probably going to be an insect swarm bot.
So someone in the raid has to have insect swarm.
Produces the chance to hit by 2%.
This is a debuff that you're going to want to have actual perma uptime on.
So unfortunately, and I feel like they should change this,
you need insects warm as a healer.
You're gonna also wanna get nature's splendor.
Nature's reach, yeah, and then,
do you need improved wrath as well?
Genesis is also really good,
but improved wrath is good for fishing for clear castings.
Just throwing a wrath out there, right?
It's dirt cheap.
Moon glow maybe you don't need moon glow because you're not going to be moon firing
I don't think moon glow is going to give you a lot of value
Anyways, now you go into rest-o
um, natures focus you might as well 1, 2, 3, you don't need 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
If you're going to want to NS you need reflection, you're healing, so gift of earth mutter
That, this, max that, natures swift
Uh, will you be casting tranquility?
I don't know if you actually cast this or not
Man, it's pretty fucking good and then the crit and regrowth could be good
I don't know like what your role is gonna be in raid, but critting on regrowth is pretty sick
How many points you have left for left?
You max it out
You don't care about tranquil spirit not worth the points
I don't think you care about subtlety this is probably your resto build
Yeah, this is it
Part of the wild once again, I don't think it's worth it
I mean, I guess you could sack the crit and regrowth and then you could go into you know like that
that. Sure, but depending on the fights, 10% interest isn't that big of a fucking deal.
You're not shape shifting at all. There's no tree forms. You don't care about this.
You don't care about your, you don't care. Yeah, that's it.
Improved regrowth and nature's grace could be a build later. Yeah, that was a build at
At one point, instead of getting wild growth, you would, what do I sack here?
All non-periodic spell criticals give you increasing your spell casting speed and reducing
your, so basically this is a regrowth spam build.
Essentially, regrowth becomes a flash heal.
This is usually the highest healing per second you can dish out, but you go um really fucking
fast.
I don't think this is the play.
I do think wild growth is really good.
But it depends on the pacing of the game.
I'm working on it.
Doing my best here.
Doing my absolute best.
I'm working on it.
I'm working on it.
I'm working on it.
I'm working on it.
I'm working on it.
I'm working on it.
Am I absolute best?
Yeah
For veils draws. I mean, we don't know what bosses there's gonna be we don't know how long the fights are
We don't know how man a hungry people are gonna be
Those are things that are to be determined
Duck your video is gonna be stupid. Let's see it. Oh
Shit
Four days ago, wait, this is fucking fresh. Fresh off the press, man.
This is the first-rate ration, or FSR. This is a case of FSRs from 2024.
Case weight, 29 pounds, nine rations, TTI freshness stamp, looking good. Circle in the
The center is a nice, light red, outer circles a darker red.
Date packed, 11th day of 2024.
Inspection test, January 2027.
Yeah, that's a lot of them.
The newest packaging.
Vacuum sealed, maximizing the space.
cool white chicken chunks and 40 grams of protein that's the big one it's like a
chicken bowl they got rid of the bacon sandwich menu one now is updated
honey barbecue beef sandwich and a pepperoni sandwich look at that alright
so there are all your menu yeah look at this ration has had the manpower time and
money put into it invested to improve and perfect upon it and this is the best
version of it. It weighs 3 pounds 2.7 ounces or 1436 grams and it contains 2,800 calories.
Nice little hiss. Nice hiss. Strong packaging. It's even like puncture resistant. It's
the best outer packaging yet. Looks like the same material as USMRE for 2024 as well.
She just fucking remembers those things.
Tougher package.
More efficient vacuum sealed inner components are also sealed.
This allows these outer pack to be utilized.
Wow, look at that.
Vacuum sealed packaging.
It's a new way of doing things.
This is like the size of an MRE.
Vacuum sealed within vacuum sealed.
That thing.
It's awesome.
We got a ration inside of a ration, accessory package, snacks, everything is in here.
Look at that, another package inside of a package.
This thing's like...
They keep it, they keep it on, given.
I mean, damn, my ears.
Unbelievable, official packages. All the snacks.
Geez, get that off of there.
They give you cigarettes?
banana nut desert bar, a nice high dense calorie, 230 calorie component, military energy gum,
100 milligrams of caffeine per piece, five pieces in a pack, arctic mint flavor, tropical
punch beverage base, this vanilla dairy shake, not bad, nut raisin mix with pan coated chocolate
discs in a very efficient, smaller pack. Less packaging used, less wasted space, 350 calories
in a single thing. Not bad. What's this? Maneys. Got a habit. Especially if you're low on water,
Stuff like that helps you put the food down and let me spoon essential.
Teriyaki beef stick, you get two of those.
That's pretty nice.
Those are eight grams of protein each.
Seven grams of fat, 110 calories each.
And then a mocha flavored furstrake bar.
is 110 milligrams of caffeine in a fruit grain energy bar accessory packet. This is a nice
morale boosting accessory packet. You can't go wrong with matches. You have three moist
tablets instead of just one. I remember it's a 24 hour ration, one for each meal essentially.
And if you're on the go that now did I hear him correct? He said mayonnaise
Isn't that something that just won't stay good. How does that even how does that work?
Mayo lasts a long time
Really I thought mayonnaise I mean I might be wrong, but my mom would always yell at me if I left the mayonnaise out because it's gonna go bad
But I don't know maybe those stupid once it's open unopened it lasts a long as fuck like ketchup
Okay
All right, so even if you like close it back up the oxygen squeezed in there and it's curtains
All right
All right
It's gonna be nice. So once it's okay. I see that's one day
toilet paper
Sensual aid
Keep you just one of those it's burning none chewing gum salt
sugar
Creamer and the most important part bills brew freeze-dried coffee
Okay, so here's the name. No cigarettes? Part of the ration. We just went through all the snacks.
And filled French toast, shelf-stable, honey barbecue chicken and bread.
Oh, filly up, that's for sure. Quick, easy, on-the-go foods. But then you get this.
cinnamon applesauce that's nice with multi-diction enriched the white
chicken chunks that's where you're getting 40 grams of protein and has a
nice gas on the bottom so you can stand it on its own we have to make a little
Chicken Bowl. Here's a bag. Zip lock. Waterproof. Tough. Tough. Oh, look at this.
Puffy Purpose. Pepperoni Pizza Cracker. Those are pepperoni combos. Pretty much.
cheese-filled pretzel and then a bagel of plain unbelievable amount of food this
thing is well equipped better equipped than it's ever been before
fantastic menu here's the weight chicken chunks ingredients look at that simple
ingredients 210 calories of mostly protein 40 grams a lot of vitamin C
Interesting. That's amazing. Still taking up more space and waiting since the first time.
DG, thanks for the ride, dawg.
Not bad. So let's first start off with breakfast.
Okay, for breakfast, we're gonna be starting the day off, Ray.
Let's get this sat-on to a tray.
Nice. And kids, first start off by checking out some coffee.
And this little cup of coffee will get you moving at the beginning of the day and really
better than just about anything else.
I'll be honest, that looks like a shot.
I would not sip on that.
You have to stir it a little extra with this.
Roll up that motherfucker and just get it down.
Room temperature water.
Okay.
Plain bagel.
It is espresso?
Okay.
bagel. It is espresso? Okay. Dang. That's not bad. Listen to that. Bagel with no scoring
at the center or anything. Let's check out the vanilla fairy shape. We find it's best
with less than they say, six ounces,
four like five, four and a half.
You gave it a bagel slap test.
You gotta slap the buns.
One ounce, but you probably pass on that.
Gosh, it might be good for that French toast and bagel.
I wonder what would happen if you added mayonnaise to it.
And you might be able to make like a cream cheese.
Yeah, let's do this, you add mayonnaise.
Oh, his tinsom's kicking in.
Oh no.
What are we doing, Steve?
Oh god, okay.
What are we doing, Steve?
It's out of the creamer.
What the fuck?
It's out of the salt.
What? Okay.
I need the sodium anywhere.
Okay.
It'll be a good dip. It's not a perfect frosting, but it is looking pretty good here.
Maybe.
Take your time, get it all out.
It's still pretty strange.
Phil French toast.
Smells like Cinnabon. Shell stable.
Look at that. Butte. Butte.
A little bit shiny.
Slap test.
Dense.
360 calories.
And then, now,
military energy dump.
We're just going to
just get one of these.
I just puked.
Saved the rest for lunch and dinner.
In between the day.
Whatever you need it.
Teriyaki beef stick.
For good measure.
Look at that thing.
Great color. Looks normal.
Perfectly fresh.
Grayson natural farms.
Independence Virginia.
Just under an ounce.
Of pure goodness.
It's not savory and it's not overly moist. It's just right. It's not like
greasy to the touch
That's great
The nice
Tuck of chicken
This is gonna be gross. I feel like look at that. Moisture comes and it's not needed
Rounds off the meal
Processed, but not too bad, hmm, melting your mouth soft, almost spreadable, okay, not
quite, but, oh wow, look at the texture of that white meat, 40 grams of protein right
there, not enough rations with components like this, just pure meat, that's what you're
gonna need you could trade up for this and really avoid carbs if you wanted to
for a day now I'll use for the first I know I'm in the wild section so I know
I've got some Steve novices here if you think this is bad you have not seen what
Steve tends to digest this is fucking nothing three days of combat spearhead
Admissions you're probably glad for the carbs. Wow the chew and savory salty flavor
There's just running with salt and chicken flavor, but it's like a chicken broth savory. It's very simple
And it's just delectable
I mean it does look disgusting I'll be honest, but it's already stick it's just the watery chicken is the beef six fine
Something about that watery chicken is gross.
It really does look like cat food.
Got all these good meats.
Bagel.
Be a real morale boost down in the field.
It's thick.
It's decent.
It's moist.
Spread it.
Vacuum seal.
It's huge.
It's still normal.
Chicken trunks.
It's a real bagel.
It's very salt.
And bowls.
Imagine if you could leave that pack out in the sun and warm it up.
Little coffee to follow up.
Bill's brew is made for room temp. It is versatile and smooth. Yeah, still has some real coffee flavor to it.
Oh, look at that. Look at that. Look at that pudding. That is...
You're gonna eat that as is? It's just mayonnaise. No, no, it's a dip. It's a dip. It's a dip, bro.
This salt and that fat-free mayo. Sometimes I drink ketchup, by the way.
I just drink it. That's what he's doing right now.
dairy shake that stuff on its own you make a frosting and it is some intense
strong and sweet flavored vanilla frosting but then you do it like this and
it'll smooth it out and it is like the secret recipe that's unusually good
it's worked out better not even expected the mayo you can just barely taste it
but it offsets this in such a way that you can actually use that mayo now plus
the salt. Steve! Getting the sodium you're gonna need. Oh there see that's
that there that's right that's correct keep dipping it. Yeah that's fine this is
normal Steve. It tastes like a donut. It tastes like some kind of like Bavarian
cream donut. That's what it tastes like. Bavarian or Boston cream filling has a
slight salty acidic regulated undertone from the mayo offsets the sweetness and
Slightly unnatural intense vanilla. I think I use Gordon Ramsay like describing with this fucking slop
Check this out. It is an MRE. It's not a five-star restaurant. Not much filling like where is the feeling? Oh, I see some look
Just barely get me, but hey, it's a bread item with flavoring and
well extra
sugar and fat and richman
And that is as good as you'll get for a substitution of your Cinnopon fix for out in the field.
I'm telling you, all you need now is a latte, a tiny espresso cup or something, maybe an umbrella.
This is gourmet field chow, cinnamon clusters with cinnamon filling.
Great flavor, it's not overly sweet, but the frosting, let's see.
Hmm
It tastes like just an exact replication of some
Pay five or six that's a lot of debt Steve donut and coffee kind of sure you don't want to just fucking take a spoonful
See if and raw dog some more mayo because it's looking like you do bad. Oh
That cold coffee is
Better than hot coffee. It really is it's refreshing and just what you're gonna want and need to start your day off, right?
And you probably wouldn't even have the time to eat all this like this Europe move
Look at that stuff
So the filling is on here. We got here. We got here. We go. This shit Steve is a weird guy
This might get sensual, but it's just how he is
Toast filling
Cinnamon caramel
The soldier will be compelled to eat with food like this.
Nice big gulp there, solid.
2,830 calories or so, just over 2,800 for the ration.
Yeah, you're going to want to consume every bit of this thing considering it's about 1,100 calories lower than 3 MREs.
Meg energy gum.
Mmm, it's like mint cotton candy flavor.
That sure was a fantastic and filling meal.
In about three or four hours, we'll come back with lunch.
Okay, now we're back with lunch.
There it is.
Get the salad on the tray.
Holy shit, that was fast.
Thank you.
Stristered off by.
Look at that finish, Jase.
Tropical touch.
This stuff.
Whoa, we're spilling it.
Smells like intense Kool-Aid.
Whoa, we're spilling it.
Smells like intense Kool-Aid.
Ooh, look at that redness.
Oh, yeah, that might need a little bit more water.
Let's look in like an acidic potion.
An oka bar.
Look at this.
Nice list of ingredients.
It's got cornstarch.
Wow, look at that.
It's like a fruit bar and a multivitamin, essentially coffee flavor, glycerin.
See your reflection in that thing.
The roper.
What was that, zoom?
What was that?
what was that okay smells like a coffee shop pepperoni pizza crackers
oh those are kind of good there's it looking pretty good I said at first these
things parkour may we're the little pizza flecks of them just brimming with
flavor. This smells like cheap Italian food. It's awesome. It's like tomato sauce and salami.
Honey barbecue chicken and bread. Let's listen for it. Here it is. Cheese. Hope it's got a
silica packet in there. Oh yeah, it does. We'll be all ready. Gosh, it smells like...it's like if
If you walked into a gas station and you were really hungry, look at that.
Sauce at the top.
I'm just seeping through this.
It's true combat ration of food right here.
It is a meal of meals.
snacks you'd want if you were out of water park and it's hot out and it tastes like a
crunchy pizza bite shelf-stable with pepperoni and tomato sauce I bite into
that show the inside oh rip it oh fuck with that it is better than ever
perfectly even moisture content to the breath there is no oddity is perfected
here. A sweet, mild barbecue. That's good stuff. You wouldn't need a whole bunch of
water to put this thing down. This thing's brilliant. I mean, for being
affordable, easy to source, that fruit drink is intense. Now let's say water it
down a little bit, Doug. The mocha first-rate bar. Okay. Prunes, dates,
braced crisp, maltodextrin, caffeine with a light cocoa, unrivaled quality to the
flavor. Firm chew, delicious, easy to eat on the go. Light malt and undertoned
with cornmeal with, again, date and prune.
It's like a fruit bar with grain and chocolate and coffee.
And keep you awake, too.
Okay, now we're back with dinner.
Not bad.
All right.
Dinner time.
It's down on my tray.
Nice.
Okay.
Nice.
First shirt off by checking out that Teriyaki beef stick.
This is your meat for dinner.
Ate the rest of it already.
That's okay.
I'm still kind of hungry, see that's the thing about this ration.
Raisin mix with pan coated chocolate discs.
What do they just say?
Nut raisin mix with M&Ms.
Everybody knows what an M&M is, pan coated.
That's no big deal here.
deal here. Is there a hiss? Hey, you see this little package? It's a little more
difficult to open. By saving money on excess packaging, it makes it a little
more tricky to open it.
Nice. Okay. Airplane food, but it works.
Eleven grams of protein right there. It's a good portion of your nutritional value for
this meal. Chocolate, banana, nuts, a dessert bar. That's providing...
Where's the dinner? This is all just...
It's got to be in that bag in the north, right?
11, 7, 4.
22 grams of protein in this meal.
It's round enough to be just enough, really.
This is a little bit broken up.
Oh, no.
It's like a cream cheese fudge ball.
Oh
It has
A nice smooth aroma of banana cinnamon applesauce and hands with malt adhesion
What the fuck that's your hydrate applesauce. Okay, and carbohydrate
better than the manatees. some of the best apple sauce you could ever get. is it? it's
like a strong cinnamon flavor. prevalent and notable. i mean it is like, gosh it seems
like they add extra cinnamon to it. It reminds me of YouTube tube food, cinnamon's apple
sauce could be for higher altitudes. This even. Some sort of mountainous environment.
You'll still be able to taste it. That is just unbelievable.
Have you seen his videos where he eats some of these from like a long time ago?
Yeah, I have hazelnuts in there. I guess they could probably tell you that'd be for good
measure. They call them Philberts. It's kind of like a name, but it's a nut. Okay. Hot chocolate
banana nut fudge walnuts. Hmm. That is so outrageously good. It's a wispy, sweet, slightly
granular finish. Hmm. Smooth banana flavor. Slight crunch from the walnut, but not much.
The stuff right here is like gourmet shelf stable fudge.
He's got to be like a history major or something.
That's just a light milk chocolate M&M.
That's a master reason.
So it's better than snacks you get at the gas station and in multi-dection to that applesauce because those soldiers
Marching around all day now you got this
The way you compose is himself is so great
You gotta get these calories down. I mean nutritionally. It's very close to the C car
It just has more bread a little bit extra. He saved the nuts of it
not for the chewing gum
I'd have one piece for after breakfast or lunch
The one piece at the end of the night. There we go
2024 first straight ration
Better than ever wouldn't experience
This is Steve 1989. I hope you like the video and I'll be coming back at you with something new
They're old. All right, cool. Oh
Oh man, I missed it.
I missed it.
Hey, Chance, would you please do the new classes survey on stream?
I'm sure Blizz would invite you on their podcast then.
Uh, new classes survey?
What the fuck what are you talking about?
Fuck even is that
Do why is this keep getting linked what even the fuck is this
In the break they're ill, you won't like this
For some money, call one at a time
Caps luck, it's all trash
Not an NPC, I've been the boss in this role
Snatched those MPs, say I've been running the show
Right before you came, made a mark
But it took the door
I was fine, I was free, I was winning
All my screaming, you gave me two OP
I was looking right, GG
Fuck it easy
Fuck it easy
Low HP
Fuck it easy
Talk shit, hit me, talk sick, kiss me
I hate this, I hate this
Fuck it easy
Left, right, freeze
Pop, rock, re-oop
Tap, tap, tap, drop down back
One, two, three
Ah, you call me home
Girl, you get me wrong
Please don't leave
Type of song Spotify gives you after you run out of free skips
Type of song Nickelodeon makes about a show of teen gamers
Create a very catchy gaming song clearly a shot at AI
Straight into Netton E who's planet who the fuck is this who is this?
Who is this? Is it a league player? I don't know who the fuck this is. I don't know.
The editor spent time making TS look good. If Hollywood made a song about video games,
Let's keep hearing
Okay, very cool are the servers back up
No, oh
God
I'm small business too the one thing I try to do is not have my jingle suck pretty good stuff
In fact, this was the first and last take improved by Jack Black Jack Blacks awesome
He's a cool guy
Uh, okay hold on.
Vulp sent me some link.
Lol, what is this?
Finally, a low poly prairie dog
is in forever.
Here.
Oh shit, it's so fucking ugly.
It looks like a drumstick.
P.S. One Hagrid looking at us.
Perfection, that's actually great, and then you link full survey.
Now we would like to ask you your preferences for a possible new class in WoW Forever.
We are testing multiple ideas that have come from many different places including from
prior survey feedback.
If a new class were to be added in WoW Forever, what kind of class would you want it to be?
Okay, well, looks like that's gone.
I don't know what I would want.
I really don't know.
I don't want anything for a while.
The fuck is this?
The most disgusting influencer campaign of 2026?
This looks like shit, whatever.
Bard?
What I want to deal with Bard,
I mean, Bard is like an extreme buffing class, right?
Like that's kind of what you do.
I just don't wanna be in a situation
where Bard is required, right?
right just the way the class works all together it'd become a required class in
a lot of different content and not a lot of people would really want to do that
role but it depends on how they do it right like Aug of ochre exactly so and
that's what Bard is as you buff other people you play this music and shit and
then it becomes required so I don't Bard as a from a lower standpoint sounds
really fun but from a gameplay perspective sounds fucking miserable. I'd have to see it obviously but
there shouldn't be a single new class for like a year in my opinion. Minimum.
Dramas are also kind of like that. They kind of are but yeah I guess with Winfury Totem
but your buffs aren't really much stronger than just other like you could make it to where Bard buffs are kind of
miniscule they sort of just passively
buff people
Depending on what they're doing like this song just kind of buffs and it's essentially the as strong as
blessing of might from Paladins or maybe you're playing the healing Bard and it does manner region just like you know
blessing of wisdom or maybe you're playing a tank Bard. I don't maybe they have something like that and
It just does one buff and that's all it does and then what are the actual buttons look like what is the rotation?
Is it energy-based is it rage-based? Do they bring in a new type of power bar?
Mana I
Don't know. What does that look like you play a song. Do you think?
The song should be like dark and darker
where you got to hit those fucking keynotes or
or honestly evoker from retail where you got to like hold the button and charge it and I don't think people like that in classic.
I think the gameplay of that is shit.
Rhythm game it like again I think that in actual practice is miserable.
S C P overlord I've seen this energy base support okay and energy base support I'd be okay with
or I mean what specs would you even have is barred I guess you would just go to Dungeons
and dragons and look at their three different builds and then there's tinker
tinker would be a little tough because it's a lot of engineering things right
I don't know how that would play out 2dps and then one healer and probably be
ideal there is blade what it different barred specs what are they
College of Swords, so this could be like a tank build kind of Valor
No, a College of Valor's tank College of Swords, maybe like a melee DPS
And then College of Dance, which one of these should heal though
Maybe they'd be like College of Song and it's mainly just support and healing
Yeah, I don't know. It's tough. I don't know. Bard. All classes are so difficult to bring
in because now you have to deal with three specs. Just don't do classes for a while please.
Bro, I don't need someone dancing on me to give me HP. I know. I don't know how I would
look. Death Knight would fuck. I would be okay with a death knight. Like a DK that is
dumbed down from Wrath of the Lich King because you have to have less. No one has a full Wrath
rotation. That's too much. So you have to dumb it the fuck down and balance it out in classic.
I'd be okay with that.
I'd prefer a Death Knight over Monk.
I'd prefer it over Demon Hunter, any other class.
I would prefer that over Bard and Tinker that people are asking for, personally, about no
class.
I'd usually leave it as is.
I'd be okay with that.
shadow hunter
or a moon warden
moon warden could go pretty sick but that would be alliance only one that i guess
you could have
sky elves be moon wardens
unlike that
spell blade
spell blades are tough
uh...
maybe they could do something around it but isn't their whole thing
they're like or spellbreakers
they're immune to magic
i guess you could give them some type of anti-magic shell but that might just be
really fucking annoying to deal with
necromancer
necromancer i'm hesitant on because i don't want to deal with a thousand pets
he honestly i don't want another class with the pet period
uh... it's i hate
having to deal with multiple targets
and as the shamans with their four totems are annoying enough
as soon as warlock started summoning more than one pet
awful beast mastery hunter summoning three uh...
gross i don't want to deal with that
necromancer is the dk but squishy
maybe
which doctor
which doctor could be pretty cool i could see some fun
build variations with that
like just throwing different flasks at people
of course doing like some curses and bains and whatever
and like a
alchemist type build
sure
siren is the answer chance
range siren
range dps with spells that
that are audible. Yes! Yes! You throw audio at people and it damages them in real life.
And the meta is to play the game fully muted. That's a great idea.
That's a great idea.
You need a class that Taryn can play?
Yeah, Taryn, don't really have shit.
I became a gamer girl at China's 24-7 cafe.
Is this the girl that I watched?
My first sale, I did it.
What is your salary?
It's almost the same.
A few weeks ago, I visited this insane internet cafe in China.
I rented a gamer girl to play with me.
I had a private room with beds, a limited buffet, and a game on a 5070 PC.
All for a very reasonable price.
But this raised a lot of questions.
How is this so cheap?
And more importantly, what do the girls that work here do all day?
Now to answer these questions, instead of doing it through a boring interview,
I decided to come here and work a day myself to uncover these secrets, but I can't do this alone.
So I'm back here with your favorite guest,
Shammy.
Hello, New Jamio.
Okay, I'll watch this another time. I'm not in the mood right now. I just cannot fucking be bothered.
Blow my head off.
How much longer till these goddamn things actually go up?
I'm still waiting. Please, what is this?
Okay, alright.
There's this brilliant K.
The death of educational content on YouTube.
Well yeah, continue exposing these frauds.
Tales of the Past 3.
This is an old classic.
This is a banger.
When shadow comes to claim our souls, some must rise to light of old. Names and stone, spirits of legend, deeds unknown yet never forgotten. These are the Duranin of honor within you.
You're gonna hear it in Ventrilo?
Oh
Never seen this
What the fuck?
Yes!
Do what?!
Nice job!
Well done, Jaina.
Now make sure we remain here.
Something!
You're strong!
I smell demons coming.
I need you to cover me.
What the fuck?
I'll kill you.
I call upon you.
What the fuck?
How old is this?
18 years ago, oh god.
You never seen this?
I actually have not now.
So, he did not only kill you, he decided to turn you against us, then I shall glad you
rest, my friend.
Make him pay for his harm.
Ready?
And...
Ready?
Go!
I
of
the
That was... that was some pretty nice fight back there.
For a human, of course.
He's still alive?
Yet he seems different.
Yeah.
Hmm? While Frostmourne turns the wielder into a death knight,
corrupting the soul within, the Ashbringer has the ability to reverse this effect.
I guess Arthas was able to survive this. I think he should take him with you.
What? There's no way I'm taking more than his head with me.
It doesn't matter anyway. Look, the summoning is almost complete. This world, our world, will end.
You heard what he said.
The sword you're wielding is a key. Use it.
You will be able to not only undo the sunken, but you might also be able to release the soul of your dear friend, Yemo.
And how can you possibly believe he would be telling you the truth?
That's not the point.
I believe it's worth trying.
And from what I've heard about you, Lady Proudmoore, you should be able to teleport
everyone I've saw you safely.
Let's stay and deal with this.
Huh.
That determined look on your face reminds me of Grom Hell's Scream.
If this is what you want, Blazer, I will honor your wish.
But there has to be some other way.
There always is.
But after all, it's a good day to die.
Indeed it is.
Oh God, it's so criss.
Octar Ogar, Blazer, Yemo and yourself will live on in our hearts, and your tale shall
be sung amongst the Lokvadnod of the Horde.
Sounds like a flan, brother, just make sure to remind them all how handsome I was.
Not the best, guys. Good boy.
Eglater, what's the use?
I think you can talk. You've got my heart, Jack.
Dreamer, come on!
Let's bubble it.
Oh, that was it.
Okay.
What the fuck?
September 2026, Montreal and George St. Pierre walks out of retirement for one reason, dinosaurs.
Look at this crowd. Half of Montreal came from the A.I. as fuck.
These people know they're held deep from their mercy.
Brock Lesnar in the UFC corner.
He's already yelling in the fight is 20 minutes away.
I love it nine years away 45 years old.
He says paleontology is his first love and tonight the passion fights back.
He looks like he never left the real velociraptor 2 meters 15 kilos feathers and
this crowd is chanting for the feathers.
Right.
Shit.
Swift feet.
That's what the name means.
Watch its feet.
It's going to try to pin him like an eagle.
He's fighting a chicken and he's using a jab. That's discipline. Most men would just punch it
He is hunting it and there's nowhere in this cage to hide
That's the best takedown of a dinosaur I have ever seen
It's on its back and a wrapped on its back as a turtle it can't do anything
thing. The referee stops it. The balancer raptor has been rendered extinct. Look at the
crowd. Every one of them wanted the feathers and they got the feathers. Watch him catch
it. Keokash in hands. Wrestler slam 20 years in two seconds. One down. They get bigger
from here. Oh, shit. Thick headed lizard. 25 centimeters of solid bone on top and head
headbutts are illegal. If 200 pounds of skull long legs, you can't hit the dome, you hit
what's under it. That's a headbutt. That's illegal in every commission on earth. Take
a point. Right. A stirred warning for the headbutt and the packet cell source does not appear
to be listening. Body kick. It's got a dome on top and nothing on the sides. Oh, right
in the body, the dome to the liver, he's hurt, he's hurt.
Get it off!
The horn went and it doesn't care,
it doesn't know what a horn is.
Stop trading with it.
If the bowling ball on legs make it miss,
it lifts the head, you hit the jaw.
Understand?
That's a real cut, 25 centimeters of bone did that,
it only takes one more.
Round two and now George knows exactly what it's got.
Oh, to the side.
He's winning back kick right in the ribs!
What is that?
Oh!
He's down!
It lifted the dome and he hit the jaw!
It is over. George St. Pierre
has sent the Paco Salasaurus
into the paleonation.
Look at the timing. The dome comes up.
The jaw comes out.
He made it two rounds for that.
He bowed to it!
He knocked it out and bowed to it!
That's the most George thing I've ever seen.
Just hit it.
George.
Prototeric this.
Herbivore, 120 kilos, and its skull may have inspired the Griffin legend.
It's four-legged low, 120 kilos.
That's not a herbivore.
That's come in with a beak.
No!
You can't double leg something with four legs.
It's already sprawled.
It was born sprawled.
It bit the glove.
That beak shears tree forns it'll shit a hand.
A puzzle he has never had to solve, an opponent with no legs to take.
He's got the back, body locked on a pro seratops.
Where is he going with this?
He suplexed the Griffin! Brock Lesnar's losing his mind!
And the referee of Shuttax has turned over and turned off.
The judges are checking the book. There's no scoring criteria for a suplex seratexian.
Seventy million years ago a raptor couldn't finish this fight tonight. George did it sat down. It's done. It's grazing time
Watch the tail and Killosaurus Hell Creek 66 million years ago armored from the eyelids to the tail club. Oh shit
Bony eyelids armored cheeks a club on the tail. There is nothing on this animal. You can hit
He punched the armor. He punched a tank that hand is gonna be sore in the morning
The club swings at shin height. It evolved to break a T-Rex ankles and George lives down there.
A tank with a hammer and no handle anywhere on it.
We have a situation that the launch raptor is looped, the pacilosaurus is looped, the referee calls time.
He caught it again! Second time tonight! That's the most experienced raptor catcher on the planet.
It's behind us. It's right behind us. I'm not scared, I'm a wrestler, but it's right there.
Brock Lesnar is on the apron, the referee wants him down, and the Ankylosaurus has its
club up.
Nothing rattles him.
Two loose dinosaurs, a lebney on the apron, and he's kicking the one leg that isn't armored.
Oh, the club, he's down, George is down!
Get up, get up, get up!
It pins you and it hammers you, that's how it kills, get up!
Dude, dude, dude, dude, that just tripped me out.
Look at his hands, look at the way he grabs it.
No, he can do that.
No, his thumb, look at his thumb, it's fucking reversed.
It's reversed.
It pins you and it havers you, that's how it kills, get up.
How do they do that?
I don't get it.
It's found a way off the fence, but he is not steady.
He's back on the leg, the inside of the front leg has no armor, that's the only target on
this day.
No!
That worked on 120 kilos.
This is 250 and it's both into the floor.
Oh!
He flipped it! He flipped the tank!
It's a turtle! It's a 250 kilo turtle!
Hit the belly, that's the only soft thing on it!
Call it, it's over.
Call it, it's over!
The tank has been rolled and the tank has been stopped.
It could be AI, it could be, I don't know.
Look at this, the dinosaur people are crowd surfing in T-Lex costume!
Hook the leg, hip under, use its charge, cattle trick.
One more and it's the king.
Ladies and gentlemen, a juvenile
Tyrosaurus Rex, nine years old,
500 kilos, and this is the fast one.
Look at me, your mind.
The juvenile was the sprinter.
The adults couldn't run.
The teenagers hunted for him right?
And what?
Look at George.
He's smiling.
He came out of retirement for this exact moment.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, jam, jam, jam on the nose.
It's like it's a heavy bag with teeth and the last fight of the night is on
Upticks to a team Rex get up George's the foot is 500 kilos
Somehow he is up somehow he is still in this fight. There's an update. Okay
Body kick to a Rex. He's hurt and he's going to body kick
My game's up, Katie.
That's the round and George survived a T-Rex round.
Brock Lesnar just slammed the stool.
Breathe. You're winning.
It can't run anymore.
Kick the leg, then you take it down.
The doctor's checking that arm.
This is why you came back.
Go take its head off. Go!
Shoot!
Its corner is six-man in a garden hose,
and it just ate one of the men's hats.
Fight!
Round two.
Rock told him something and he nodded. I want to know what it was.
The calf kicks. He's chopping 500 kilos down one shin at a time.
Superman punch! It's down! The Rex is down!
No, it's up. He walked away. George, it's not over. It's not over.
Oh, the single leg! He has taken a Tyrannosaurus Rex off its feet.
He's riding it, he's on the back of a wreck, hooks in, hooks in.
The arm is under the jaw, that's the same choke that finished Bistling, it's tight.
The choke is tight, it's a bird, it needs to breed like a bird.
It is over, George St. Parane has submitted a Tyrannosaurus.
George, you.
He did it. Okay, the game is updated. I'm opening.
Let's see.
Ugh!
Surely there's some patch notes. I don't know.
We'll see. Can I even log in yet?
Are the servers still down? Ooh.
Whoa, we got the drop-down box here now, huh?
That's kind of new.
Still down, unfortunately.
But my game is updated.
Wait, you missed the best line, did I?
1863, American Civil War, hard attack, oldest, whatever the fuck.
I mean, I don't know. Surely any second this, the server should be up.
Idea for new class.
A night elf mohawk?
I'm Mr. T, and this is my night elf mohawk.
God, T, there's no such thing as a night elf mohawk.
Shut up, fool! Like I was saying.
My mohawk storms through mighty forest on its frost-saber.
My mohawk.
T, it's a warrior, not a mohawk.
Well, maybe Mr. T hacked the game and created a mohawk class.
Maybe Mr. T's pretty handy with computers.
Had that occurred to you, Mr. Condon, send the director.
I'm Mr. T, and I'm a night elf mohawk.
What's your game?
World of Warcraft.
Let's try it for free at WarCraft.
I found this pod in history!
A human face is off against a six foot tall robot!
What the fuck?
Dude, I'm scared for you!
I got scammed at a $500 restaurant in Miami and they look as silly and foolish.
After I booked my non refundable $500 they wouldn't even pick up the phone because they don't speak English and I'm over here
Just all excited. I'm rolling a monthly something like I'm gonna be the next keyfully off this
I booked a $500 20 course meal with wine pairing first off they start you with a shot
That's when they had me out. I'm over here really thinking it was gonna be something
It didn't even taste like it was no alcohol in that shot didn't they gave me this nasty ass or bae
Then the lady gonna come to ask me she said oh, I said no, she said no, do you want me to take it off?
I said oh take it off the bill. She's home. I know take it off the table
Look at the fuck up my face.
Then she gonna come back and drop this little truffle ball off and say,
We suggest that the best way to enjoy the course is to take small bites.
If I want to get more than two, that's all I can do.
And when I tell y'all basically every course was that size.
So at first I'm like, okay it is 20 courses, maybe these are just the hors d'oeuvres.
But even the wine brand was micro.
I'm like, did I misread? Did this say wine tasting?
Then they brought out a bouquet of flowers and told me only orange ones was edible.
So I said there's no way that's it. I said that's the only thing I can eat.
I don't know how to eat this, sir.
I know you fucking and the crazy part is I pulled it out earlier, but I said oh this this must be the sauce
It got to the point. I said yeah, I might need to go ahead and fast this little sorbet
When I tell you every dish I was getting maximum two bites y'all it genuinely got to the point
I was in there trying to eat the rocks. I was so hungry. I was already confused about how to eat these dishes
Then they serve in finger foods
I think the starvation is making me even more confused in the top of the all off all of this shit was nasty
The best tasting thing was the wine, and they ain't even give me enough of that to get drunk.
Then here comes the main attraction. They put chocolate over your hands.
You wash your hands with it. You can try it if you want.
Then they put coffee grains on it to exfoliate your skin when you mix it around again.
You can try it again. Then they wash it off.
I'm not gonna lie, I did have my hands feeling smooth and soft.
So now you think, oh, here come the main dishes, right?
Dude, you're looking just as silly as me.
And as it got closer to the build, this is all I heard.
I
Started thinking damn Josh you just wasted $500 you did not have it generally felt like they were playing in my face
They had me in there eating chips y'all. There's no way this was serious. That's fucking sounds Jesus. I said good finally some meat. They
Gave me one lamb chop y'all and next we moved on to dessert. This was called the lick me
They said the way you should enjoy it was by licking the plate and it just started to kick in how silly I must look right now
But I still spent $200 so you best believe I'm finna get to the bottom of this.
I just felt like this had to be a humiliation, Richard.
It was like the dishes were all about the display.
Why is this on a scale?
They would give presentations when they pulled out the dish and I couldn't even understand
what they were saying because they weren't speaking English good.
And they ended it off with this.
I'm just confused why anybody would want nitrous oxide and antifreeze all over the
f-
Alright.
So apparently the servers are up.
Are y'all sure?
Are there patch notes?
Can someone link them?
God damn it, waiting all fucking day.
Please, God be not fucking with me.
Connecting.
Treating server info.
Okay.
Alright.
The servers are in fact back up. However, where are the patchnotes?
Did they change anything?
I'm gonna log in, let's see.
Wrath minus 30 damage, imagine.
I'm literally gonna hover over wrath instantly because it's such a problem
53 to 58 is that a buff what was it before I think it's the fucking same
game. Okay. No thorns still snapshots. Let me see. 15. Yep. Thorns is still scaling.
I don't think there were any changes.
My talents were reset.
Mine weren't.
Let me go see if it's cheaper to respect,
because that was something a lot of people were asking for.
Thorns just changed.
Oh wait, it's 14 now.
Oh, shit.
So they nerfed thorns.
Let me put on more spell power.
Oh, okay.
So it does actually ping.
So they nerfed thorns.
You cannot snapshot it anymore
Yes, you know it's 14
Fuck let me let me log out. Let me go look at my other druid really quick
So I feel like I'm more familiar with my night elf druid and how hard wrath actually hits
Fuck, I think I need to restart the game altogether.
Turn off the bag on so it doesn't air.
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to turn all the ovens off.
Where's the link for patch notes like actually I don't know so my wrath is doing oh it got
buffed that's higher it gained about 10 damage it was doing like 80 before cheaper respect
That might be the case. Someone sent me mail.
Stormwind Auction House and Alliance Auction House. What the fuck?
Got talents?
No, my talents are still the same.
They haven't, you know, undid it.
Hunter Auto is fixed.
I'm assuming Wanding also got fixed.
Maybe the talents themselves are slightly different.
oil's got nerfed oh you're right the oils used to do 15 damage or 15 spell power and
healing. Now they do eight. So those got toned down. One energy.
But where's Mangle? Whoa.
They changed Mangle to something called primal bite.
and then blood frenzy over here okay hold on shit we got those actually things
that happened okay hunter auto-shot is not fixed okay let's start with the
rest oh and spells all the same I'm just gonna I know what it all is so I'll
know if it's different. Same, same. Okay, all same there. Same, same. Okay. Yeah, Primal
bite is definitely new. Okay. Racials? Oh yeah, let me check the racials here. 10% crit.
Dodge chance increased by 1% and movement speed 2%. Did they have that before? Was it always
dodge with it? I actually don't know. Yeah, they did. Okay.
All right.
Hold on.
Okay, that's the same 1% same.
Okay, everything seems to be the same, uh, aside from Primal Byte.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, oh, cause your Primal Byte, it's the same, don't mind.
To strike up the three targets, remove its cooldown, increase the chance to generate
combat point, move.
Okay, so Berserk is the same. It's just Primal Byte. It just got renamed. It's not Mangle anymore.
Pallet and Talons look different. Eureka is nerfed to 10%.
Damn. Get fucked. You check Thorn Snapshotting? They fix Snapshotting, yeah.
New Shatter-Freeze Talons or OP. Reduce the mana cost of DP by 50%.
30% targets that die while DP is active spreads it jumping to a nearby enemy within 10 yards for the remaining duration
It's like I've seen that before my crazy
Cat HP. Oh, yes, it's so cooked. Yep. You still lose HP while in cat form my frames are miserable
New set bonus rod menders
Oh
Army Q okay, hang on your healing supposed to be chance to play rock-manning restraint
All right
So where is this Rotmender's gear from?
Dungeon Journal. Let's go to Ruins of Lordaeron.
Okay, so there's a new set like Rotmender Pants.
Interesting.
I don't see any other Rotmendr gear.
I only see two pieces.
just take two pieces for the tenant yeah oh here we go patch notes name change
from mangle to primal bite damn yeah they up the spell power or damage of
wrath thank god
Rune engraving? Okay, hold on. I have like this food and I'm trying to figure this out right now.
I'm starving.
Whoa, Rune engraving. Engrave your belt with the Berserk Rune.
Huh
Sod runes are we sure about that I
Don't think I like that. I don't want to do engravings. Well, why why berserk what is happening here?
Hmm.
Weird.
I don't know how that engraving might be a bug.
Okay, Primal Bytes changed.
Primal Fury got changed.
Huh.
Yeah, it's a bunch of- they just changed the name from Mangle to Primal Bite, but whatever.
And then Wrath got buffed.
Multi-shot.
Uh...
Strider Kick.
I think they changed the variable name from Mangle to Bite. It shows everywhere. Yeah, I see that.
Engrave helm hot streak.
What is this engraving shit?
Okay, they buffed hot streak.
Now the buff lasts 20 seconds up from 15.
Okay.
I mean, no one can even have hot streak yet, can they?
It's a bug.
Yeah, I'm ignoring the engraving stuff.
Okay, Paladin.
Wait, did they buff Paladin?
What?
Wait, what?
Cool Down changed from 12 seconds to 10 seconds?
Wasn't it like the most S tier class right now?
when it comes to leveling we're trolling right and more damage looks like
that wasn't changed oh the base weapon damage yeah what is it okay maybe they
nerf them elsewhere applies lights vigil to a target no one can use lights
vigils yet so whatever increase that generated by your holy attacks by 60% as
opposed to 90% so they got a threat nerf talents increase all damage by 2% wait
do they take crusade increase all damage dealt by 2% increase by an additional
2% against demon and undead targets before it was 1% so that
that's a buff another one
removed oh category change from talents to uncategorize okay maybe they just
remove the town altogether increases the damage or critical strike if you're
holy shock whatever holy power stuff
oh reduces the cooldown of holy strike by two seconds
wait rank one reason to quote on holy strike is this another buff
but also removed
i need to see a tal a pound and talents
Category change from Townsend Categorize. Let me see. Wow, forever.
Let me find a Town Categorize so I can kind of visualize exactly what's going on here.
Okay, so you just don't have this anymore. They removed this Town altogether.
So by decreasing the cooldown of Holy Strike by two seconds, then they removed this.
So now it's just baseline. So it is a buff.
Read your chat, read...
Oh, here we go.
God, wow head fucking sucks.
Well...
Okay, corrected an issue and now read you can land critical hits. It wasn't critting before. Just another fucking ner-
True, it sucked by the way.
Corrected an issue, tranquility can now land critical hits.
We don't even have tranquility yet, so
it must be testing that on some other server.
Um, Wrath base damage,
Wrath base damage has been increased by 50%.
Wow.
That is a massive percentage increase.
To give you an idea of how much more damage it does, I'd say before it was doing like
75 to 80, it's like plus 10 damage.
It feels like it's a 10 damage buff to Wrath, which is kind of iffy.
Compared to the rank 3 one I'm using.
Thorns went out dynamically, updated its values based on the castor's spell power.
The castor cannot be found or is too far away.
Thorns reverts to its base values.
Okay.
I was curious how they would deal with that.
Mangles been renamed to Primal Byte as signature debuff has been removed, so the former name
no longer accurately represents the ability.
All talents refer to Erebsing Mangle have been referenced to Primal Byte, whatever.
Sure. Fixed a bug where Feral Charge Cat could be cast on allies. Sad. Whatever. Pets.
Burious Hall of Attack power bonus reduced 40%. Sonic Blast ability now properly available
to Bat Pets. Okay, 10B still longer works on beasts that are higher level than the Hunter's
level. So no more level 22 pets, huh. What if we already had them? I don't know, any
100s want to log in and tell me what's gone or happened to their pets my pet is
still level 22 I kept it looks like if you already have a 22 pet don't lose it
because you're not gonna get another one abuse early and abuse often okay I'm
I'm still lagging like crazy, by the way.
A talenting out-of-alone wolf will no longer cause the hunter to have minus 4% damage while their pet is active.
What a weird bug.
Corrected an issue, and now Lacerating Strikes can land critical hits.
Shrider Kick now increases moves by 30% for 3 seconds.
Okay, so a little bit of mobility for survival hunters, they probably need that.
Arcane missiles no longer checks LOS on each missile, just once at the beginning, okay so
basically how arcane missiles has always been.
If someone casts Arcane Missiles and you walk behind the pillar, Arcane Missiles will keep going.
Wake of Fire buff duration has been increased to 30 seconds, it was 20.
Not sure what that does. Hot streak buff duration increased, ignite no longer, double dips on percent damage, increased modifiers.
Okay, Retribution aura will no longer snapshot like thorns.
Fixed a bug causing flash of light cast animation to not play at the end of the spell cast
Fixed various issues with consecration fix an issue where consecration would fail to apply its increased damage effect on some targets
Fixed an issue where consecration z-axis wasn't functioning consistently that happened in my BFD today. We pulled the fish from below
Fixed an issue where consecration could pull targets vertically above or below the cat. Yeah, okay
holy strikes percent damage per rank changed they upped it by pretty decent
amount at the end of the day 10% this increases holy strikes damage at all
points while leveling and increases how much it contributes to your rotation
early ranks of holy strike didn't always feel like an upgrade when purchasing a
new rank and we wanted to adjust that okay but you overall buffed it so it's
like kind of weird. It's the best class in the game right now, but with priests. Fixed
a bug with Echo of Justice, causing it to have higher than intended chance to activate.
They nerfed Holy Threat with Righteous Fury. Holy Strikes cool down, lowered to 10 seconds.
It was 12. Improved Holy Strike has been removed from the talent tree, even though there are
sometimes cases where talents feel required by classes, like relentless strikes for rogues.
one that reduced the clonin of a core ability so early on in a healing talent tree made this
feel like a talent that was required. So we've removed it and made it its behavior baseline.
So it's a buff.
Uh, holy power increases the critical strike chance of holy strike.
Vengeance now activates off of non-periodic critical strikes. Vengeance maximum sex lowered to three was five.
Vengeance. Isn't that protection?
Wait. Hold on. Weren't the Paladins playing Seal of Command?
Like this was the build you had to play at max level, right?
So you actually couldn't take and prove Holy Strike.
And now they just get it.
It's level 20.
It's just kind of annoying.
I know it doesn't matter to people, but it'd be ideal to attempt to have somewhat of a
level playing field in the leveling aspects of the game.
Obviously, it's going to be a little bit of the Wild West.
level so much more important but it is a buff which to the strongest fucking class is weird
weird I did noise the fuck out of me actually um sacred arbiter now increase the damage
of holy strike by 20% it was 10% what the fuck is sacred arbiter
okay so that's like down here so they buffed it there as well
twist of light now a discharges the mana cost of seal spells okay priest
corrected an issue and now renew can land critical hits so that's a priest buff
Power shield can now always overwrite an existing power shield on a target that does not have weak and soul
Okay, it's a fix
corrected gnome priest correct an issue with now contingency plan can now land critical hits
Okay, so that's a priest buff for gnome
Confounding flash now as a cast visual the casting visual is now more wholly oriented
whatever
Night elf starshards now correctly gains resistance to spell pushback from the twilight focus talent. All right
Darksack provides no longer breaks crowd control that breaks on damage, Darksack provides school to...
...correctly displays the mana gain from the ability with spirit.
SAP now correctly flags the rogue for PvP when using a target that's PvP flag, makes sense.
Lightning Bolt, damage on ranks 3 and 4 increased to make these spells always upgrades over previous ranks, despite changing cast times.
Okay.
Swap the positions of Elemental Fury, Row 3, and Elemental L'Arcy, Row 6 Towns.
Critical Strike damage increases early on in the trees and are for exciting other specialties,
but it's not exciting for the core spec while leveling, since they don't have enough Critical
Strike chance to really appreciate it, so we're moving one of the better Towns for
Ellie shaman functionally earlier in the tree to allow them to feel like they're getting important progression moments
Yeah, okay
Intercept this affects enhancement shaman's critical strike damage or spells
But we will use this room created to add more to the enhancement shaman in the future
Okay
Lava burst stuff we don't even know Lava burst looks right now
range of the farcier row seven no longer increase the shaman spell casting speed
okay pregnant issue rip tide can now land critical hits looks like healing
hots weren't able to crit so they wanted to make him crit warrior or actually
void walker sacrifice on scales with 10% of the warlock spell healing life tap
has been updated to correctly display the amount of life converted okay and only
Let me state that it scales with spirit.
Interesting.
Sunder Armour, corrected the threat values on all ranks, including a small increase of
Thetrin from attack power.
Swap positions of Bastion Row 5 and Focus Rage Row 6.
We wanted to give players Focus Rage sooner to smooth out progression, as opposed to more
damage from Bastion.
What is Bloodthrill's chance to activate increased by 4, 8, 12, 16 and 20%?
What is Bloodthrill?
Okay, no one's played with Bloodthrill yet, so...
Oh, shit!
Change Eureka on every class to a 10% discount on mana, rage or energy.
from 50% thank fucking god oh skip slam improve slam now reduces the cool down of slam by 1.5
or 3 seconds interesting human change will survive visual okay it's a visual whatever
parring cultivation now as a player level requirement for each or for every herb the
The level required is equal to the herbs level to pick divided by 5 herbs that require higher
than 300 herbalism skill to pick can be cultivated.
I don't give a fuck.
Touch of the grave no longer breaks CC or activates from spells and abilities that don't have
damage.
This means the shadow of pain activates on cast but will not on periodic damage.
Distract won't activate it.
You can't pull rogues and druids out of stealth with distract and it activating.
The cooldown manager.
Whatever.
Additional classes will become testable for the future updates.
Okay, whatever.
Gamepad support, whatever.
A handful of guns and bows are not correctly consuming or using ammunition.
They've been corrected.
A number of quests have their rewards updated to be the correct item level.
Okay.
A small number of early caster rewards have been adjusted.
They nerfed wizard oil.
Wands no longer gain any additional damage from the user spell damage.
might be the biggest change I've seen yet.
Thank God.
Y'all, I mean, if you look at the DPS of these wands,
They are higher DPS than any other weapon in the game.
Because they're not supposed to scale with anything.
That's why their DPS is so high.
And they're not supposed to be more damaged than actually hitting fucking spells.
But they are.
I don't know.
It's insane to me that that was even a thing and I see people are just like, no!
You're so dumb.
Are you kidding me?
for zero not just zero mana but also a hundred percent mana region because
you're not technically casting spells fucking ridiculous what else do we
have gamepad support whatever did they fix the shape-shifting bug sometimes when
you like power shift out of Baron back in nope it's still bugged I'm in bare form
right now and it has all my wrath spells all right hello but you're here in
person I thought we were gonna call over discord okay all right no it's fine
He's doing in person. Okay. Let me let me let you let me finish reading these notes
I
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Beach mouse beach beach mouse
Mouse.
Beech.
Mouse.
Beech, beech, mouse.
I'm about to be done here.
Let me skip this.
Mouse.
Well, let me get you a chair.
Okay.
Wait.
Wait.
Wait.
Are you doing like a...
I think you are.
No I'm not. Holy cow. What is going on?
What's up fellas? Good to see ya. Oh my god. Okay.
Oh I guarantee you didn't get me any food. Look at this. He got barbecue for himself.
I swear. Damn well I was coming over. Got himself
But I'm done. I read through the passion. Okay
Nerd stuff, okay. Oh
There's a lot of barbecue out in the kitchen you can just grab
Hmm
Let's see here
Where'd you get the Rariki from?
I don't know.
It's a Riki question.
Is there anything else I missed on here?
I think that's mainly it.
I think Druid is still complete utter dog shit by the way.
like it's a horrendous, it's horrible, and Paladins just got stronger, and they're the
strongest class. I don't get it. I understand low level doesn't matter, but it's just weird
regardless. The FPS is still garbage as well. You don't know how warriors feel. I would
I would argue I think Druids are worse at leveling than Wiers.
At least from 1 through 20.
So your rage issues? Druids use bear form.
So...
Now, 50% increased raft damage is good, but 50% increased from zero, it ain't that much.
So our rank 1 raft did 10 damage, now it does 15.
Our rank 2 raft did, what was it, 15 damage?
Maybe less?
Now it does 20.
22, whatever.
still shit plus spell power yeah spell power is there like my wrath for example
hits four and this is a twinked out I don't know if I can get more spell power
than this Druid and it's doing about a hundred I mean I guess that's decent
maybe. Rank 3. 91 to 96. Well, let me put on my deep spell power set. I already have it on.
So here's the actual set I wear. 86 to 91. I am missing 10 spell power,
so the ring from the books I could get. And then I'm missing...
thing. I think that's it. There's really not much more spell maybe five on my shoulders
I could wear if I get the Magisters mantle. Let me see if it's in the auction house.
Is there any way I can get this 22 gold over to Horde? How would I do that? I don't need
this gold black market auction house yeah I guess I'd have to do neutral auction
house but someone would just snipe it and it would just be gone wouldn't it or
maybe I buy like a bunch of gloves oh my god I have to list things for dirt cheap
or no I would just list something that's worth nothing but jack shit on my
horde tune and then just buy it on this character right oh yeah you're right
it's easy okay well hold on there's one pair of shoulders
there we go magicians mantle 45 gold for these by the way my god let's check
some weapons here 31 gold for that
Hmm.
Look at fucking world chat.
Or trade chat.
Let me see if they fixed the auction house before.
There's a lot of items you would try and look up
and you couldn't see what, yeah, it's still bugged.
Can't see what this actually gives
Night Reaver
Shadow Fang I'm just seeing if they changed any of the numbers on this gear
Yeah, they are fucking crazy. All right
Trim I'm gonna go ahead and log off World of Warcraft for today. I will be on tomorrow and I'll play around with that patch
As I said, I have a poker tournament. I think in two days, right, right?
It's not tomorrow is it? Yes, okay
What's your little well counter? I don't have a little well counter. Yes, you do don't act like you don't don't act like you don't
I know you do. I don't I don't think anyways, so tomorrow
I am 1v1ing xqc and the winner gets $50,000 and the winner plays
Next I don't know what you can win though, who do you think you play?
If I beat Felix, who do I play?
I couldn't tell you.
I already have the answer.
The answer is Tyler won.
So I have to beat Felix.
What happens if I beat Tyler won?
Felix you won $50,000.
If you beat Tyler you win $125,000.
Move my cam over.
Here we go.
Scoot over, get closer.
No, no, no.
Okay, well, I did a one-hour coaching session with
What was his name?
Adelstein was his last name
Garrett Adelstein actually downloaders by orders book you ordered his book
All right, let me tell you right now if you win this tournament you're gonna buy ten copies of his book and give away to yours
Okay
Well, so I did a one-hour coaching session Ryan watched it and he said
I thought he was good and Ryan gave me some really good advice and Ryan wants to do his own coaching session
So Ryan, how do you want to do this?
Okay, so go to the other monitor for this
What is it called what's the website?
You want some food?
Okay, I got this. I'm eating this barbecue. I'm starving
Club WPZR.
That's right there, yeah, you had it.
Yeah, you had it.
I know it.
Don't watch your sleep with what you had.
There you go.
This is what you have to do tomorrow.
All right, I'll log in.
Mesh phone?
Yeah, I got it.
Good.
All right, two steps.
OK.
What?
Uh, maybe.
Yo.
Leaked yep true. All right verify location blah blah blah allow
Here but yeah, it's not meant to be a dual-person microphone
I'm loud y'all can hear me no matter where I am let's be honest. Yeah
Yeah, I need my phone.
Upshadow Dino, good to see you.
I recognize a couple names in here.
It's hadn't been that long, I guess.
OK, it's still verifying location.
Is it?
Yeah, let me know.
What about your phone?
Didn't ask for a?
Well, I put a code in.
Oh, you did?
OK, get to your good end.
OK, hold on.
Poker practice with my brother.
Yeah.
OK.
Try again.
Yeah, problem.
You didn't move me to move the camera camera, both on me.
I can see the camera mom both on it.
Forget.
Uh, why is it not verifying my location?
I don't know.
This could be a problem tomorrow.
I'm glad we're doing this today.
I'm not retired.
No, I'm still an attorney.
Answer is one of my clients.
It is not father son.
All right.
I think I'm in.
Y'all have seen me before.
This is more recently than Black Jaguar.
Okay, hold on.
This is a World of Warcraft viewer base right now.
Oh, okay.
They are very confused with everything, but wow.
I promise.
Oh my God.
I'm pretty sure I can show this on screen now.
Let me see.
Yes, I think you can.
Yeah, okay.
Okay, so what do I do?
Okay.
So, let's do this.
Let's do, and obviously I don't know this website that well.
So what I would like to figure out is,
go to tournaments.
Uh-huh.
middle. Top middle. Let's uncheck everything. Okay, and then go to, let's go to no limit,
hold them on the left game. No, I'm going to hold them. Okay, but where? Okay, sit and
go in the middle okay and then let's go buy in low buy in low and here we go
Alright, let's see what we got here.
But how do we go to Heads?
Heads.
Scroll down a little bit.
I don't see any of them being Heads up.
I'll be...
I'm just telling the website that way.
We're going to figure it out.
Let me figure this out. Let me see what we got here.
I'm serious. Sit and go.
Don't let me hold them low.
That's okay. Scroll down some more.
No, that's all you can do.
Okay, that's all right.
Eight of eight.
Um, okay, scroll back up.
Why are any, there should be some heads-up matches here.
Uh, I guess no one does that.
No, I mean, they had to be there.
Okay, go to, uh, click on, um, mid instead of low.
See what happens.
Unclick low.
There we go, there we go, we got some now.
Okay, all right.
Six, how many chips do you have?
How many chips?
You have a thousand chips.
60 chip
Let me see we got here. There's a 15 chip as turbo. I don't really want turbo
Well, they're all turbo looks like turbo is how fast the blinds are okay, okay?
Let's do this one here 15 chip heads up for both of them. Yeah
Oh, that one away you were too slow, sorry, okay, yeah, yeah
Register. Yeah, but hold on. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, go for go for yeah. Yeah
Okay, I in
I'm waiting for one other person. Okay. I think right
Yeah
One guy said we don't look alike. How are we brothers? Yeah, they don't know it's adopted the most or they don't watch your podcast
No, she's generally watching your podcast your wow players right there's got here. We got a joint tournament. Yeah
Okay, so we're using this as a learning tool, okay, so you were on the button here, alright,
so what did Garrett tell you to do when you're on the button?
That's the most important thing is you have the button.
Always read.
Yes, correct.
I like this.
I like this.
There they are.
Oh, there you go.
We're already there.
Okay.
Alright
Here's what I want you to start doing you don't make a decision. Where's your clock you have a clock someone?
I don't see a clock they fold they fold it. Yeah. Yeah, okay
They think you're playing a bot. I don't know. Okay. Okay. All right. Here's your clock. Yep
Okay, but I just want you to every time I want you to make your decision when the clock hits five seconds
I don't want you to go fast when you have a good hand slow when you have a bad hand
Okay, every time when it hits five seconds is when you make your decision
So this is pretty decent. They go first though, right? They go first. That's easy of the button, okay?
I probably just call. I'm okay with that either call or raise here. Yes. I'm okay with either one of those
Didn't wait till five, but okay. That's all right. Oh my bad. That's right. That's where I learn
How much they just bet about 1.56 big blinds, so they're doing a set of money to the big ones which which I don't know
We'll learn that okay. What do you think you're?
I think you call okay
Yeah, they might have a king or a ten though.
It could it could it could oh, it's over.
Not yet. Now now we're on the. OK.
They're betting a fifth of the pot.
You have two pair.
There's a lot of things that can beat you.
I think you can go ahead and let it go now.
Hold. Yeah.
I'm losing now, by the way.
You are. You are. It's early. It's early.
I got to go first.
They do.
Thanks. We'll just check here.
I'm waiting. Yep. I like that. Good.
I'll practice my waiting. That's very good. Very good. Yes.
Now, when you just call the flop,
I mean, when you just call it before pre-flop, what do you do on the flop?
When you just call the pre-flop.
Yep.
If you just call the previous turn, what do you do?
Check. Yes, correct.
Always check. Let them make the decision there.
Okay. You have absolutely nothing here.
I fold. I think so, yes.
I raise 2B, but I have to wait for the 5, so I don't have to wait for the 5, so you're
at least 10.
Okay.
Okay.
Uh, trash.
Trash, but...
It's a cheap.
Yeah.
It's cheap.
I think you can actually raise them here.
What?
Yes.
Raise?
Yes.
Okay.
I think you can actually raise them here what yes raise yes 75% 75% what the why
Make them fold there's a paired board there the odds of them having something are very low very low
Okay, it's not just about what your cards are. It's what they have to you got to think about that
Okay, and now just like that we're back to you
Nice
I hit this
I never thought about the fact that yeah, there's a chance on the board. I mean, yeah, you can't beat me harder
Yep, I having a three. It says matter
Check. No, they checked you're gonna make a little better. Let's bet quarter of the pot on the block
Yeah, I
Think Garrett wants you to bet what a third of the pot on the flop and two thirds on the
And turns and I don't you're right here. I'm sorry the flop is the first three cards
I apologize the turn is the fourth card the river's the fifth card flop turn river
Oh big hand here, so let's see what they do first. Oh, they
Sight me yes
Lena wants us to say hi to her by the way, what up Lena? Hello
Okay, you gotta get another good answer. We're gonna do here. I'm gonna raise. Yeah
There you go, you got it again. Okay, now we got a little lead now. We got a little lead. No, we do okay
It's really just feels like it's all about the blind it is it is that button is huge. Yes. Yes
a queen I mean
I call it
Yeah, cuz they have the button they have the button
Oh
What are you gonna do? I'm just called honestly. Do I check? Yes, you just call you keep the same. They don't know you're good
or not okay let's just call them here chance you got two pair if we just
called on the street what are we doing on the next street we're gonna check yeah
now we come in for the kill how much do you want to raise I mean do I just I
go 75% or even more okay because we they can't beat me they cannot be I mean
they could have six seven oh they call let's see what happens on the river now
two pair would beat me I guess okay there are things that beat you but I think
We're ready to go here. So let's bet 75% again. Okay
If over there we go, yeah, come on come home. Yeah, I mean Paris pair Queens. Yeah on a board like that. I
Like the blinds actually kept kept kind. I like the blinds
Okay, you're on the button. Yeah, exactly. Um,
Unless it's the absolute worst hand then you can fold it. Okay, the blinds doubled in power. Correct
They just raise here. You don't have a great here. They raise pretty good
I said we go ahead and get rid of this because your high card is for here
We're suddenly we're still we're double their stack right now
They're pretty much dead. No, no, no, no, there's yeah, there's a lot of things and change. Here we go. Let's see what they do
Okay
Old yeah, let's get out of this one. Let's get out of we don't want to play big pots when you don't have the button
The button is the most important thing. Yeah
No good.
Oh, now we got lessy.
We're under better same race.
We always do.
Yep.
Give it a simple.
Yep.
Nothing too crazy here.
Like that shit.
Okay.
Like that you waited.
That's good.
Okay.
The button is so important because you get to act last.
They have to make the first decision.
Yeah.
So we're just abusing the button.
Correct.
Yes.
Yes.
Do you think Felix will abuse the button?
Felix had a coaching session, so he learned some stuff too.
I'm sure.
Did you watch it?
no comment. Let's get out here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Check for is not right. Oh,
especially out of position. They have the button and you have the lead. So why give
them chips right now? No. Okay. But I am kind of giving it to us by folding. Yeah.
Well, someone looked for Lena Lena. I don't want to name Lena XO Bruno or
something in chat and gift her a substitute to watch ads. Okay, you're on
the button. What are you doing? Yeah.
I
May find her she keeps telling me she's seeing heads. I just need one of you
And they raise we're gonna call this one on the button. We'll call it. Yeah, okay
Thank You shadow Dean. I love you, too
Okay, this is not a good flop no, this sucks ass we're on with our table to our legs. Yeah
Yes, don't get don't get
Okay, he's high
Cax no, she cannot yeah
Lena XO Bruno or something like that or Bruno Lena there it is they have one of those. Yeah. Yeah, what that one? I was like, it's right
Lena I think that's it. Yeah
How do you get some crappy as well just give it a sub. Thank you so much as well appreciate that
Yeah, we're gonna let it go again. Yeah, and now that now when he was having here
They're trying to abuse us a little bit, so we're gonna fight back
We're gonna wait till we have a hand to do it, but they're fighting back a little bit
That's okay. Can we just take it and pretend we can yes we can
This could be a great hand
No
Why does jazz you want you to move your cam
Uh, he's in the right spot. I think it's the best spot. I can't do anything about this. Is there anything over? No
I thought they're on the screen, but oh, man move it over here or move it up here
Yeah, yeah, there you go. I can just go here. Yeah, you nine
Lena you should be having to deal with the ads now
Your cars suck
I'm building luck stacks for tomorrow. That's fair. I like that. I like I do like that. Okay. Oh my god
This is horrible. Yeah, what do we do when we uh, we bought we bluff. Yep. No, no, no, no
We just called the last and we're out of position. What do we do?
Yes, correct.
Wow, we might all just get us right here. Let's check it again and hope that they bet.
Now we're gonna raise them. Let's raise them 75%.
Oh, that's not good. Okay, we need a jack here. We need a jack here. That's not good. Okay, we're gonna check and just say good luck to you.
You got this one.
Six high by the way. Yeah, they got it.
Oh, it's over.
My bet we try to do some cool. We tried to bluff and they caught us. Yeah, and now they have a lead. We're okay
Only time when we get where we got to think about it if we get less than ten big ones, okay, we still have 20 big ones
We're okay
Let's then tend big
No, we'll have more starting out. I'll show you. Yeah, okay. That's all good. Okay. We're crawling back. We're crawling back
Daniel it's all about position we had the button on one of them didn't have a button on the other
We need to flop here we need to flop here something
Oh man, you really like that. Oh my god, okay
We want to bluff here's the question
No, we're not gonna call we're gonna raise we're gonna follow the shoe decision
Okay, we're gonna raise
We're gonna raise 75% or we're gonna fall one of the two
Who helped scared me a little bit that one scared me a little bit, okay, we got the lead now
We got the lead now. Okay, I really do. Yes, and the blinds are up now. Okay, I
Love suited connectors
Spends a little bit. We have a little feel of how this opponent plays. I think they're a little bit passive
But we haven't seen a lot of their cards at showdown. Hey, what are we doing the button? There you go
Wait for 10 seconds. That's right. I like that. I like you get in it. You're right. You're at my back to Queen
That energy to start kicking in so on here, right? Yeah, one of the button we call it. He says very minimum race very the
Yeah
We had a fob Lee cheese. Yes, we got a lot of go. We got nothing. Yeah, yeah
Let it go. We're about even now. We're about even 20.5 to 19.5
Yeah, we got the ace here do what they do
But I'm calling that right um, I'll be honest with you
You could just call. I don't like calling here because your opposition you could go all in here because you have ace high
Seven
Oh god, they call that's not okay. No, we're okay here. Oh come on
Come on.
Come on.
Oh, we got screwed there.
Oh, they got us.
They got a pocket.
Three hours of bank call.
Okay, they got us.
They got us.
Okay, so we lose.
We lost, we lost.
Now, the good thing about tomorrow still
is it's best two out of three.
So, yeah, no matter what,
you always get a second answer.
We actually, I don't mind that play.
We made the right decision.
I'm not saying there's a horrible call by them,
but okay, let's find us another one.
But it's gotta be two.
Was it like calling with the Jack four?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Here you go, 15 chip on there.
You got that, that's it right there, again.
We're registering.
Yeah.
Fine, yeah.
I play a lot, you know, Bandit.
Yeah.
There's a lot of poker.
Yeah.
OK, so you've got the beginning safe.
You've got the preflop stuff down.
Yeah.
You know what to do.
Here we go.
With preflop.
There's some moments where I'm out off script.
Like, example, what you just did there was very off script.
Looks like you're dead.
Kind of does.
Yeah, they gave me my icon. I just noticed I just yeah, yeah
Okay
This is trash. Oh
You got a bet though. You have a gut shot straight draw if you're an 8 mix so what would you do here?
I would say 25 to 50 percent
I
They call hey, you're right. I do almost have a stress even hate
Now if we're gonna bet it's gotta be there's gonna be 75%
Why?
Because there's more in the pot now. We want them to go away a
Small bet less than sit there. They go for a small betting just all I understand, you know, I see yeah
I didn't have anything correct, but they didn't either
Okay, remember it's not just your cards.
Yeah, at a position I would just check this.
And we can catch them.
What do we do if we just...
Oh, pre-float?
Pre-float?
We check.
Yeah, correct.
He's checking too.
Good.
Yuck.
Okay, now remember, when there's a paired board, there's one like to bluff.
Because he probably doesn't have to check.
Yeah, 75%.
I think we'll just check check here back and hopefully check I think he could have I think he's got a six I think he's got a six
He got nine ten. He had a straight draw and he didn't get there. I like it
Okay, so and we see now. He's not bluffing. He's punching air right now
And we see that he's not he's not being very aggressive. So we know if he does if he checks he didn't have it
What's that?
No?
OK.
OK.
So we're on the button.
What do we do?
Raise.
Yeah.
Oh, he's got that bottom of my butt.
Mhm.
He got a big win.
Yeah, everyone.
You got a big lead.
5-8.
Yeah.
Crappy hand.
Well, let's see what he does.
Oh, that's a big yes.
Yes, exactly.
Yeah.
I just realized what his name is.
What does that mean?
All up in you.
Oh.
Oh.
Hahaha.
Hahaha.
Oh, shit.
OK, call.
No!
You got the button.
Oh, I do.
You're right.
OK.
OK.
OK.
OK.
OK.
Here we go.
That's pretty good.
On the flop, what do we bet?
I'm going to.
I would bet.
25 or 50.
It's your call.
I was going to 75.
Nope.
Nope.
That's on my own turn.
OK.
OK.
I
Wish I'd done less. No, no, no, no never apologize for winning the plot. Yeah. Yeah
We kept em in and gotten more
By the way, you and the UNX you see you're gonna be on comms tomorrow. I'm gonna be talking to each other while you're playing
It's gonna be great. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Oh, this is fun. We hit this though. Oh
No
I guess I'll be shit talking all the time.
You checked? You checked? What did we do?
Uh, we raised.
Yeah, well you won't need 20 or 50.
Okay, I like it.
No, I should have done 25. I'm just gonna fold again.
It's okay. You don't have anything changed.
Oh yeah, he's hot. I don't want to pick up the men.
For what? He might get your card on you. No, win the pot.
Take the chips. Guaranteed win is better than, yeah.
Win the pot.
Unless you have like the absolute, like, you have a full house or something, you know?
Yeah, no need to keep men.
Okay, fine.
I
Think five
Every other hand you're gonna have it every other hand. I know but yeah, he never has it. Yeah, I'll have it next hand
He call you up. Yeah, you
And what is on the board? Yes, you do and there's a pair of boards. I'm correct. There you go. What are we bet?
I did read rapper. Yes, see see don't tell my hour. Okay. Yeah
I
Queen to
It's a min race you can call it you go with just yeah, don't get at it don't get crazy here, but yeah, oh
My queen what do we do though? We just called yeah, yeah
Oh, yeah, I like
I mean, just call the last one.
Yeah, exactly.
There we go.
We got him here.
I think you make a little better.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I like it.
Yeah.
Let's go.
Oh, this guy's getting.
It feels like Ryan's teaching life lessons through poker.
Oh, this is fun.
Oh, this is fun. We have this though. Okay
I'd be I feel like I'd be miserable having to constantly call here. Wow. Okay. He went all in he's impatient
This is a Felix trip. Yes, but you only have Queen high so let him have the two let him get away. Congratulations
Really?
You're still up 34 to 15 you still have a double his
I feel like I need to be on his position more so I know what I should do if I'm there.
Every other hand you're his position.
Yeah.
Yeah, he's full.
Yeah, we hit this.
He's probably going to go all in, right?
You could full hero your race.
We've been races been good for us.
I keep racing.
Yeah.
But he's going to go all in again and just keep scaring me.
Yeah.
There we go.
He's just farming. That's okay. No, he's not you're still up huge. I know I'm up huge but he's gaining so much
You're still up 33 17. Okay. Let's keep an island you're up 16 right now. Okay, you found oh
Let him farm you here, please
You just call we're gonna rate when you raise a little bit here. Let's go 3x. This is the one we want to keep him around
But he does okay, okay, no flop please no flop. Oh
Mama, okay, what did you do last hand you raised but we're still let him
Check let him take it. Okay. We want this guy to mess up. Oh, he's checking. He's not liking this. Yeah, he's scared
Okay, now we're gonna bet a little bit. Maybe 50. 50%? Yeah. Mm-hmm. Okay.
Ah, we wanted to pick a side. That's right. That's right.
He's still getting drained. Yes. Yes. Look at his eyes. Yeah, you can see it.
I'll be honest with you, this is when he's been taking a minute. I would just fold this. Okay. Because you know if he writes you're gonna fold some of them.
Don't even get another half line.
I
Sounds like I'm just spam folding till I get the perfect hand. Oh, not exactly. No, no not spam, but yeah
Okay, there we go. We got a right back. We're good. Thank you, Bism
Mmm, okay, like this. Yes, so I think right here
Yeah, do that that see what he does and if you raise we go all in here
You got a nice I think he's gonna all in I think he's going. Oh, okay. I will take it now. You're up 37 to 12
right
Hey, hi king, that's fun. Yep. This one you could I think you can call this
It's up to you, but I think you can call this. Okay. We're going with it. He's got I think he's got a little bit
There are two, we're good.
It's over.
We're good.
That's three, come on.
That's a three, go.
Yeah.
All right.
All right, here we go.
Damn, double two.
OK.
So go to this button here.
Up here, see if you can go to that.
Don't leave the table yet.
See if you can go to that.
OK, that's great.
OK, leave table.
I want to fix one thing for you.
OK, let's get another one going, and we'll, yeah.
Get another game going?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
OK, so.
There's one, they're ready to go.
Yep, it's ready to go.
There you go.
Oh, I just heard.
I
Click on this up here
Settings
Deck I
Want this this one here. Yes
And then get out of yeah, okay now you get all the suits and you're gonna see that you
Diamonds and hearts don't look alike and clubs and space
I hit this one, right?
I have to deal.
I can also change the color of the table, right?
Yes, you can.
That'd be simple, or should I be fancy?
I like that.
What do I have?
We're going to make a little stab at this.
50%.
We're going to scan a little bit.
We'll stab it. There we go.
That's the most important thing, Numbles.
He said, thanks for using me to gambling, Soda.
I may have lost my savings, house, and family,
but at least I still have chip.
What? I was going to even see what you were thinking.
Oh, don't raise your phone, right?
Colorful. Yeah, that's fine.
Oh, OK.
OK.
There are six is yep. What'd you do? You called last week?
I'm not transition your opposition. Yep.
He's gonna bet here. We're gonna have to call.
All I think you have to. Yeah.
I like that you waited.
Just called last stream.
We're gonna have pocket air shit as possible. Or we could have a
screen ace King. Yep, check.
obviously we'd love it six on the river we love a king on the river I think
gotta call me again we're in too deep we are we are we're gonna bet I'm
worried you like a big better we're gonna see all some small numbers on them
they are way he is yet yeah yeah I don't think he has a 70 that's a good river
for us and six or seven yep hey hey nice nice Elena so here's you're gonna
love that one yeah yep please check please check don't make me call a big
better buddy don't make me call a big oh gosh and we're just ending the game quickly i think
you're in he's he's been the third of the pot i think you have to call him he's got a he's got
pocket eights he's got pocket eights who he has who's got nice that's a good cause he played well
he played well it's better that's a bad that's a bad board for us we got we got unlucky that's
it happens okay now we're on the back end we're getting on not yeah but it's early we're still
we're we're talking this is good okay so stick to our stick to our plan really still
Oh, yes, you're torquing him.
Okay, hitting the button.
Yep.
Here we go.
Nice.
Now we're back, okay?
No 75%, I can't pay a little bit.
Thinking about it still.
I like it.
Yep.
I'm not sure what to do.
Okay.
I screwed it, I'll just do this.
Call it.
How do you know I'm not, Red River?
Don't like that.
Really doesn't have a three.
I don't think he has a three.
Oh
Wow now that's interesting doing my strategy he is I think you just go all in here chance
Okay, we lose lose lose
No, we got him we got him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, and just like that. We're even look at this just like that. We're even there we go
That's what you don't think
We could have lost that we could of course yeah, we stick around
50 grand we would just do this fair. That's it. That's not losing though. It's you're not winning. I was nothing about that way
I feel like you'd be mad at me though. I will
Yeah, you're not enough you're not on the button. Oh, he's got the button. I thought I had it. It's okay. We had to pay attention to stay locked in
Okay, there are threes. Yep
Yeah, yeah
I mean, just check, right?
I think so.
Yeah, try to keep small pot here because you're out of position.
We don't want to play big pot without the button.
Insert joke here, but the D is the most important thing.
Okay, all right.
Right in that down.
Oh, man, this is the lowest pair you can have.
Surely he just doesn't have anything, right?
Check.
Check.
Let's check.
See what he does, whatever.
I think we got this.
I think we got this.
He had something he would have bet.
He's got it.
We got him.
We got him.
All right.
We got the lead man. I know it. Hey, we got the lead
We were down
Thanks dad you think you would bet on this yeah, thanks dad why though not about what you have is about what he has
He checked he showed weakness
Oh, yeah
Blinds increased there's the hand jacks for a good hand. I got a call just for Garrett. We got a call one time for Garrett
Okay
Not the best flop
Yeah, it's awful check. Mm-hmm. Yeah, we just we just called on the on the previous straight. We're just we're checking
We got nothing here. We got to let this one go. Congratulations.
The only reason I would have bet there, because it's a paired board, and there's a good chance he has nothing, but I don't think it's worth the risk there.
Okay. He could have easily had a king.
Four king. We raise.
The bet.
Ooh.
He's gonna check. What are we gonna bet? We're gonna raise 50. Like 50, yep. No, 25.
No, 50-50-50. I know you don't want to lose him, I know. I know, but let's...
He's gonna fold. Okay, that's okay. We'll take the pot. There's six big blinds in that pot,
Chance. Okay. Oh, he called. Okay, alright. Okay, that's okay. Not a fan. Yeah.
He checks. Let's check one time and see what happens. Just make him feel like we actually have nothing to say.
Exactly. Let's see if he, we want him to bet him over now.
We want him to bluff the tower.
I would love for him to bet four big blinds.
I wanted to bet four big blinds right here.
Go ahead buddy, bet four big blinds.
4.25 big blinds, exactly.
Okay, we're gonna bet a little bit here.
Ready?
I like it, yeah.
Pretty nice.
Me easy to fold.
He'll be calls with a nine.
Oh!
He'll be calls with a nine.
Call me with a nine.
Oh!
Wow, that surprises me.
He played that weird.
Okay, he could have got a lot more money from us.
That really surprised me.
What the fuck?
What did he even have?
He had a king.
He had a bigger picture.
Oh, so we, I see it.
We can call this.
This is the last time we can call.
Cause we're getting them 10 big bucks.
Yeah, we're in the gutters.
We need to do this one.
Exactly.
That's a good flop for us.
Oh, we need to, we have a pair and we have a straight draw.
We'll check.
We gotta make the money back here.
Please raise.
Okay, okay.
Go ahead and take a stab.
Okay, let's check this.
Yeah.
I hope he has a 7.
I'm hoping he has a 7, but I don't know.
He checks he has a 7.
If he bets, we have a decision to make.
He's got 7 or he's got 2 diamonds.
Yes, he's got 7.
Good.
Okay, we're right back.
We're right back.
Are we?
Yeah, it's within the margin of error.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, every seven hands, they go up, yeah.
Yep, you got it.
That is a crappy flop, we're gonna take a stab.
Are we?
We have to, we have to.
We raise pre-flop, yep.
There we go, you got it, okay, now just like that,
just like that, we're almost even.
Okay.
You gotta be willing to take stabs at spots sometimes.
I would call this yeah, they're close they're gonna have card you can call this
Wow in order to yes, yes
Okay, check me checker time
I'm gonna check again
We got if he best remembered mid-ditch to make three they're gonna oh gosh
That's so small chance. It's either it's either raise or fold. I
Think it's cold, but then we give it okay. We can represent at three and I call we hit the straight, but we're gonna let it go
I'm sorry. That's fine. Yep.
Whenever they need me, Eddie. Okay, here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Yep. Yep.
Once they call when you have the highest pair on the board. Top pair. Top pair. Yep.
More than that. 70.
75. Yeah, I like it.
He's gonna fool Shirley.
That's fine, we'll take it.
We'll think about it, Jokey.
Take your time.
Oh!
Oh, does he have pocket aces?
No, he doesn't have pocket aces.
He's not that strong.
Let's just check it here.
What if he does?
I mean, we're in trouble if he does.
We definitely checked that.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
Oh, now that's not a bad river there.
Please bet now, Jokey.
Wow.
OK, I think we're going all in here.
OK.
If he's got spades or if he's got something better
than this, he's going to be great for bluffing noise.
Oh, that's good.
We have to leave.
Look out, we have to leave.
31-19, let's go.
Massive lead.
Let's go.
Not massive.
It's not because they can change the 1-1.
Here we go.
Let's see what he does.
Pretty good.
OK, yep.
All in.
All in.
Okay, take it steal it from him. He wants calling call. We got a safe. There we go. Thank you
Shall we he really did yep?
Oh
Don't go over don't read you're normal race
And like spending all my luck stacks right now. That's okay
I think we're ready for this hopefully oh yes oh what I ever all later it's
the same thing it doesn't matter oh it's a classic no way oh man come on that's
alright it's alright it's alright he's that leader hey that's it that man and
played itself that he and played itself congrats oh we're okay we're okay that's
gonna happen and that could happen tomorrow you got to be prepared for that
All you can do is make the right decision. You made the right decision.
We've got to fight back now.
We win one all in hand, we're right back in the league.
So when people say poker is a bunch of RNG and...
There is some. They're not a bunch, but there is some.
Seems pretty fucking RNG to me.
Right, yeah. Especially on hands like that.
Okay, now we're at 10 now, we gotta be careful, okay?
This is either all in or we don't do small bets now. This is either all in or we go.
I see. Okay.
I'm fine with that, yeah.
Shit, I fold if he does anything.
I think he got a bet. I think he got a bet. I think he got a bet here. He got a bet here, 75%.
Yeah, trying to scare him out. He could be trying to bait me though.
He could be, and if he is, congratulate him. We got it, there we go.
There's a lot of chips in that pot, you can't let him go.
You know what I'm saying? Because we were going to win 10-high. We weren't going to win a showdown.
You had any pair you could have checked and the hard to get showdown, but you couldn't there.
I think it's just a straight fold here, Chance.
Either a fold or a call.
Let's do a call, see what happens.
Let's see what happens.
I feel like it's really cheap.
That's the first time we've ever called for the big minus.
If he knows, this is the difference.
He takes advantage of it.
He's got it.
If he's smart, he knows we have nothing.
He should have raised there.
We run like a little business.
Okay, here we go.
There are sixes?
Yep.
And there's a pair of board.
We're going all in.
That's what you're going all in here.
Yeah, if he has a 10, congratulations.
Yes, yes.
All right, we're almost back.
Plus 15.
Why does it feel like the numbers are like they are because the binds are going up. So that's a number of big blinds. Oh, here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Let him right if you raise. We're going on.
All in.
They were just going to get 1515 is not if you raise the six whatever you just want to take you and say take it in right now.
Like that we're almost even 21 it seems like when you're at the back.
Take your two cards and would you go all in and get exactly. Yes.
Okay, I think we can go back to our regular to know our regular to here. You got a king and you have any of 18. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
Okay, we hit the middle pair. If you flip checks, we're better.
Praise. Um, I think we just call here and see what happens. Okay.
Okay, all in. Middle pair is good, not great.
See what he does here. We're in a rough spot here.
He keeps betting we're in a little bit of a spot.
I think he's got it here.
They pulled, yeah.
Yeah, you just hold it here.
Alright.
Just call and see what happens again.
They're shooting.
Why are they shooting?
It doesn't suck, does it?
You can't make a straight you can't make a straight eight seven to be one thing eight nine to be one thing eight ten
No, no, just call
Hold
Yeah, I agree. It was it was not our best call. It was not our best call.
Alright, okay. One double up and we're hit on.
Back seven.
All in. All in with this? Yes, you only have seven big ones.
You only have seven big ones. He's not making a decision. Make him make a decision.
He just calls it. He doesn't have a strong, we've noticed when he just calls on the other button, he does not have a great hand.
He was trying to see it cheap
You all inning again, are you folding I'm trying to take it I think I'll end I think I'll end here
You're suited if the actors
You can't just raise it because you have enough big ones if you remember when you're under ten big ones
It's either all in or full
Yeah, this match been going on the blinds are really high now, so there are a lot less blinds available
You know, you know, yeah, let's see what he does
Okay, we're ahead. Oh my god. That's crap. He got real lucky there. Okay, should it straight up aren't there is some no
This is beyond some right? No, no, no. This is ridiculous. I agree. I agree. We're
having a moment is but the key is you got to win enough small hands early that
you can withstand a couple of those. Okay. All right. Here's what we're gonna do.
We're gonna let you do one now. I'm gonna sit back and just watch. Okay.
I'll give you commentary afterwards, but I'm not telling you what to do
You got your chips in with the lead there you made the right play
There should be some water yeah
I'm trying to find a weak supply of water.
What do you mean?
They're so big!
There's a smaller one too, that's it.
Oceanics, this guy looks like he games.
He curves.
How?
Uh, I'll be there with you.
I'm thinking fold because his hand is shit and I don't have to dee.
The only reason I would have called it, he made it so small there was only one more big
blind.
You could have gone and saw a real cheap one.
That's the only reason I would have.
But look at the size of the race too.
Don't just look at the race.
So now right now, look, there are 78 big blinds because the blinds are only 25-50, okay?
So 40 plus 38 is 78 big blinds, right?
Or 80 really, there's 80 big blinds.
Just keep that in mind, okay?
Oh, I raised here.
I said I would do commentary after the half, but I'm doing commentary after.
I didn't tell him a few during.
Uh.
Night King High is there on the board.
I feel like it's a 25% raise.
I like it.
I like it because the pair.
I like it.
Yes, because it very rarely he's going to have something there.
I've reduced the chance of big time.
Love you too, man.
This is a fun game, but you guys definitely just.
All year.
Don't hold the button.
I like it.
And he just made a minimum.
Jack high is good. I think I've 25% bet
Calls
No way he has shit. I have Jack high and he probably doesn't have the twos
so
50% increase
Slowly raise that I know you're judging me
You gross but I still have Jack high you could have double diamonds, but I doubt it
Really he doesn't
75% that's a bet I went here
Good chance. Oh, yeah, hi is not good. I space out. Yeah
I was thinking I had a pair of Jack's no you did not have a pair. No
No, I'm down.
I'm down.
I'm down for the record.
Okay, okay.
I know, we gotta lock in tomorrow.
We gotta lock in tomorrow.
I had a pair of Jacks.
I don't know why, let's get back in front of him.
Jacks love that hand.
They love that hand.
And now I look like it.
If somebody just turned out like an idiot coach right now,
like, is this what you taught him?
Yeah, that is not what I taught him.
Yeah.
I don't know why I thought I had a pair of Jacks.
Oh, this is pretty good.
I can get a straight out of this.
So let's check.
Yeah!
Why?
Did he?
Yes, take a stab.
Yes.
I'm stabbing at it.
There you go. Yeah, the last trap problem is you took a stab he called and you kept stabbing
I'm like chance. He's wearing a vest the sabbing's not working. He's wearing a vest
Okay, at some point when you realize he's got a vest on you got to drop the knife
clean to I
Mean I think I just call here. It's cheap
Okay, I've got good stuff here
Why is it good stuff? What do you have because I could open in the straight draw? Yes, correct
There I just need to tell her what do you do when you call the song?
Yes
Thank you, Narnia when you call on the floor when you just call you a pre-fault for you. Oh, okay, so we got a straight
I don't want to lose him
25%
We'll call that chance has three brothers
Wow
Okay, I'm really gonna scare him away here. Maybe he'll think I'm bluffing if I do it too much.
I like that. I like that. I like the 25% on the turn. I like the 75% on the river. I love that.
That's all. Thank you, Holden. Let's go.
I'm sorry. 6th straight. Yeah, it's a 6th card straight. 7th card straight.
How many did Jack think he used?
We just hit this button.
No, it doesn't retire from the rep game.
I think this is a check angle.
Take a stab.
Take a stab with a king high.
I do 25.
Ball.
Gross.
Very gross, but he probably has a pair.
I'll do once.
You're the best.
Yeah, I wish I could see his cards, and I didn't use tomorrow you could get a string
after one.
The big hand.
Let's do an honor of Garrett.
You're out of position.
You do not have to be.
Yeah, so I think I just call this dude.
You can call and it's just a one big one. It's just a very minimum right
How do you know I'm older blue Albus
Once again a checking
Force. Ew, duck. Gross. Maybe he doesn't have a pair though.
Possible. Let's check. Let him do it.
I think I call here with my pair of Force.
Alright, with that 2.6 and do 11, I'm okay with that.
I think he's got you, but I'm okay with that.
You know how we get the river.
Hey, how are you?
Oh shit, this hand is crazy.
Ace-Queen.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Take your normal race.
Don't let him know how strong you are.
That's good.
Oh, that's great.
Right?
We love this.
This is good stuff.
Uh, what if I checked here?
No.
What?
You gotta make him pay a little bit.
Okay.
Yeah.
Give it easy.
Yeah.
Calls.
Okay.
Only check if you have like two pair, three pair.
I mean, sorry, two pair or three.
Like that.
Whatever you got.
Have a baby on me broski
What is a baby? Oh
Big big baby is a big one. I call this there's a king on the board chance
You had top pair. You don't have top pair. He might be baiting me. He could be I think he's baiting me
Okay, all in let's go in. I think we had a much left. We had about I don't know. Yeah, he got the king
And now we're
He's not he's very out like very unhappy. I forgot how last small how little short sec we were
Always gotta keep keep track of your big ones here, okay?
He's he's tilted at this point surely yeah
Yeah, yep.
I agree, I agree.
Check.
Happy again?
Mm-hmm.
Gonna play for free?
Yeah, I'm serious.
Yeah, what a man.
Congrats.
We just made it back.
Let's not give it right back to him.
I
Mean I think I just oh, it's you you have the D. Oh, I do. Yeah, all right. Sorry. Sorry. We can't space tomorrow. Okay. We got lock-in tomorrow
Would I be crazy to yes, yes, yes, there are two diamonds on the board other stuff that happened
Did you check
Yeah, that's why you said I said do I check and you said yes
You said, would I be crazy to check here?
Oh, but like, you know, it's like, it's like,
give me two seconds, but I don't actually mean two seconds,
right?
Uh, what am I?
Let's raise, let's raise.
Okay, okay.
We didn't know here, we didn't know last time.
There are three cards in the, in a coin,
or four, right?
Yeah, I have gold.
I would have lost one money if I was.
Potentially, potentially, we don't know,
you might have folded.
Fuck it, fuck it, fuck it.
Okay.
I think he's incredible.
Really?
Wait.
Okay.
All right, I'm not supposed to.
No, no, no, no, no.
Here we go, here we go, here we go, here we go.
Yeah!
Don't you do it, don't you do it.
Don't go three, no three, no three, yeah!
So we win.
Did I have a pair?
Yeah, no, he had Ace, now you had Ace, Queen,
so you got a bigger kicker.
Okay, let's go.
Yeah, let's go.
Okay.
Wow. I just took his hand.
Follow me and it's like that.
This guy's tilted. I call this.
Oh, he's so mad. He wants out of the game.
Oh, okay.
If I get the AC fucking, he quits the game for it.
Or spade, or spade, or date.
Oh, we have so many outs. It's okay. We're back to even basically.
We're up a little bit. We're up a little bit. We're okay.
Damn.
That's how it goes sometimes, you know?
You're gonna play Ace-9 all day.
This is kind of trash, and I don't call this, right?
I think I'm gonna hit this, play it.
I'm not gonna re-gear it, you have to play every jack 4, but not now you don't.
I mean that falls down.
He's going crazy all in here.
He's a little tilted, he's a little tilted, yeah.
But we'll catch him, we'll catch him.
He's winning and he's doing that.
Yeah, yeah, we're even.
No, you're even basically, let me look at it.
But now remember there were 80 big ones born out there's only 50 because the level up, okay, and it's about to go up again
Yeah, you have a straight draw you had a 10 you make a straight it's a small blind very small bet, sorry
I
Thank you palaces. No, I'm checking. I'm checking. Yeah, that's what I would do
If you're gonna bluff him you want to bluff him with the race not a check
Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, one to six. Yeah, you're getting good odds
Jack hi
Before you thought Jack I was really strong. I did I mean is it worth calling that? I
Would call just see what he has be honest with you that morning. You're not gonna win, but I just want to be asked
Okay, he's been small. Okay, I'm glad we didn't get crazy and try to raise him there. That was worth it just for the information
Now there's 37 big blinds because the level just
Well, that's that yep, cuz you still have a 15 so you can still do it
Remember we get below 10 is what easy to go on or not. Yeah, we know this. Oh, this is crazy
Yeah, what's the fuck you got a bet here because you lost?
Are you right?
Man, I said want you to slow play that because a910 a lot of things come after beach
You want to end the game?
Also good. I mean I call this. No, I
Might even raise it
We called that okay expensive already and it's shit
Uh, let's check.
Oh man. Oh man, he probably has a pair.
I should have done that. Maybe I just all in.
No, I'm gonna fold.
You would have gone all in there.
I would have just tried to take this. Maybe I don't think he has an ice.
But it's okay. It's okay. No, no, no. Yeah, the problem was with the pre-flop.
This is shit. What if I just hold here?
I'm okay with that.
Look at your blinds. You're down to 13.
You don't want to be splashing around and calling two or three big blinds.
Leave yourself with just less than 10.
Okay.
You're already all in?
Look at that.
All in here.
All in.
Yes.
Healer is kind of slow.
I think we hit this.
Still not below 10.
That's trash.
That's bold.
What a good match.
Now that we're down to 40 big blinds our total 80 to start. Yeah, it's like 100% increase
Back maybe I play for free. I don't know it's shit
Back I have nothing
One do I call that?
Get your stack, look at your stack though.
You got nothing, you got nothing, chance to let it go.
I don't know, I hate to give it out, but then you should have gone all in prefront, really.
With that?
Yeah, I know it's not a great hand, but you got to still, you got to still do some pop.
We're going to be all in here.
There you go.
That's right, one double in your back, one double in your head.
Um, two, I mean fold, am I crazy?
Fold here, this sucks.
I think it's all in.
You got a king high, you got a king high?
King high, all in, see what happens.
Yikes, yikes, it's over.
Oh my god.
I'm very, very, I'm dead, I'm already dead.
Okay, we're gonna do one last one. This is the last one we're doing. I'm not saying a word even after the answer
We got some bad cards and he was a better plan that was he was a he was a decent player was he was yeah
This guy didn't look good
I think DJ sees
DJ
fancy
Pretty good. I like this I'm going to
I'm going to check again.
I'm going to check again.
If I get a queen, that could be good.
You don't have shit, so A-
What do you have, Chance? What do you have?
A-tie!
You have A-tie? Do you see all the blue cards out there?
Oh, I have a flush!
Oh my god, okay, you're right. Oh
Holder check
I didn't know I was looking at others that's why we have the colors up there. Yeah, I was looking at the colors
I didn't even look at it. They're diamonds chance. There's five of them. Oh
There's six of them now. Yeah, what if I just all in and he just thinks I'm bluffing
Oh
Okay, the 99 okay, so you had a flush hit the last cartel. Okay. Yeah
Hey we raise
I
Hello the house
No one knows the chair not me just let them know
74 suited all
And then check on a call always you a pair of sevens, but regardless I check what do you have there sevens?
What do you have? Oh two pair
You know what you I didn't I didn't see it. Holy jeez. What is the problem now though? He could have a flush
Yes, see that. That's a lot of diamonds there. Your two pairs not great
Also, by the way, it says right there. What you have my super see what it does say. Yeah, we call he probably has it
It's over
I don't know what I should do here
I feel like I do a bet, what a bet, it's unlikely he does it, I think he's got it going.
I don't have it, I think he's going to raise you, I think he's going to raise you.
But he might think I have the diamonds.
It's possible.
It's possible.
It's going to be like, I don't have it, I'm just going to lose.
Oh my gosh.
Seeing how he waited until the very end to do it, he's got it really strong.
He's going to ease it.
Okay.
And I really want to know.
You're okay.
I can barely get the lead on it.
Wow.
That's a very big bet.
I'm going to fold.
I agree.
Okay, instant gold.
Okay.
This little bit of bet, calls.
I card nine, you duck, Rose.
I would have taken a stab on the flop just for the record okay yeah remember that's not about what your cards are think about what he's got to be thinking you know he checks the flop
it's so fast it is it is yeah and you got to keep your concentration well you played 24 hours and wow how do you not you got to stay alive
I like it.
3-5.
Got a position.
Yeah.
He's got a button.
Thank you, love.
Ew.
I have a pair.
I don't.
I do, because the board cracked.
Yeah.
Okay.
You can turn your brain off playing while he's in.
I know.
I'm not supposed to talk.
My bad, my bad, my bad.
Take your time, Princess. Goodness.
Well, that's annoying. I think I fold.
Okay, with that. Even if you hit a 3 or a 5 on the turn, what are you trying to get up?
This is shit.
Okay, next level's up. Let's go.
Okay, look how bad your hand was, but you took a stab at me, you know what I'm saying?
Yeah, you got scared.
Yeah, and now we're basically...
Three, ten, okay.
Keep call, play that.
Okay.
I always check here after calling.
Check this.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
I
Don't have a countertop microwave any more hundred grand. Nice try
Um
Could have a queen
I like that. Yes, keep it small because you're out of position
I mean, I'm just gonna let him do the bedding I was adopted circles
Think I call this
I think I'm good with it. Surely he doesn't have feedback loop, no.
Surely he doesn't. Oh god, he could have two clovers as well.
Good, he could also have a jack. It's straight.
Oh fuck. Check.
Right, he doesn't have a jack.
I mean, do I call that? I actually don't know.
I don't know, god no.
Hold.
Yeah, it is low, you, all right.
No, no, I didn't, I'm not mentioning the clovers, like, you know, got to keep them locked in.
710.
Oh, I think he meant it small.
Okay, love that.
Do a little bit of a raise.
There you go.
Light and back.
Ooh.
even it's simple. Nice, we're in, that's okay I think I still do a little bad here.
There you go, that's down, one more in the vest.
I guess this is no limit. Hold him heads up just like the tournament will be tomorrow against XTC.
Do it. Time to turn it to 12.
I think four o'clock, I've got all those people.
Oh, it's pretty late.
Okay, thank you.
Yeah, we're fighting back.
I think it's 21 hours from now.
What are these, Ace?
I'm getting some hands out of here.
Okay, I think I'm going to let him play.
I'm going to call.
No.
I'm going to raise.
I got a position made a very cheap problem I should have done more I lost my percentages
they weren't there.
This is kind of garbanzo, but I'm still going to do a little bit of it.
Like that.
Cold coward.
Please, cold. Go away.
Oh.
It's going to, oh, what the French?
And when someone waits like that, that means usually they got it.
He's got something.
You think?
Yeah, I do.
And they do like that, that's acting like, oh, what am I doing?
And then he's all.
But careful trying to, I know you like to keep people around you don't want to lose
them, but careful with that.
So now it's okay to win the pot right away.
Yeah.
A-squing you should have taken it down right there.
Yeah.
Back six.
Okay, potential flush angle.
He checked.
I'm going to take a stab at it if he's wearing a vest.
There we go.
That's three win.
They're going up against it, look at your points.
Ooh.
Oh
Hey, I mean, I think I raise yeah, hold on remember last time you did you made it so simple to use the slide all exact
Yes, yes, go all in. All right. Let's do it. Let's go. I can call. Okay. There you go
I'm gambling here, and I'm we got the club. We got the club. We got the club. We got the club
We also have the job. We got the club. Yes. We're good. Yes, okay
Not game, but yeah, we got a huge lead now.
Yeah, that's why you don't want to, you know what I'm saying?
If you have a way to flop, I don't know.
You know?
Ten.
Nine, ten.
Space.
Hello.
William.
William, how?
All of it.
All in?
Yeah.
He's just, let's just call the game right there.
Okay, yeah.
Okay, yeah.
Oh!
Okay.
call the game right there
okay
okay
we're back to you
damn
hold
no no no
I
Shit second angle again he bet that it's old
Okay, we do a little bet here he had nothing right mm-hmm. Let's do a little bet
Maybe he'll just fall. Maybe he's in there. You're too bad. I mean, yeah, sorry. Yeah, but it's shit. I agree. I agree
But you have something you know, yeah, we're about even
Okay, okay.
One, two, three, four.
Yeah, three to six.
I'll take a little shot.
I like the taste.
Taste counts as one in this game.
I didn't know that.
Oh wait, he did things.
Ooh.
Okay.
I'm okay with that.
I'm okay with that.
Ah!
I thought that was him.
What the hell does he- does he-
What does he have?
He has to have a pair of something.
He doesn't have anything.
Me.
Yeah.
I mean, do I call that?
Careful.
Now you're not attending lines.
Remember, you're basically all in or full.
I would have called that if you weren't here.
That's okay.
That's okay.
I wouldn't blame- it wouldn't have been a horrible call.
Yeah.
I'm in the oh you could just call here to your 10.
It's cheap.
But he's going to get it not to be cold.
He does.
At least he didn't raise it to in the heat, you know.
Something.
Yeah.
You got to do it.
Yeah, that's all in that.
Yeah, he's got it.
More than likely I would.
Yeah, there you go.
He's full. He didn't even bet anything. He had a really bad coin.
Wanna waste this one? Yeah.
This is shit. I probably fold. No. I guess I hit this.
You're both ten, are you?
Yeah, that is.
Can I see what happens?
Yep.
Could be a minus two angle though.
Yep.
Ooh.
Ouch.
I'm gonna check with the dog.
Hold.
Okay.
Nothing to be gained.
Please give me two good cards.
Yeah, we take that.
I just all in here.
And play.
I just will send it.
Good enough.
All right.
Ooh.
We lost again, right?
We did.
We did.
But hey, no offense to Felix, but these are any play on here is better than you guys.
Because they play, they play regularly, you know what I'm saying?
You guys don't play poker regularly.
So if I were to try to go on some wild site and play whatever, I wouldn't be good
because I don't play wild.
Yeah.
But this is a this isn't a game of no it is a game of yes, it is there is luck involved in the short term
There's a lot of luck. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So are you done with your stream because there's some things I want to take off stream?
Well, I think I'm done. Okay. Okay. All right stream
GG's Jack good to see you all appreciate you. Hey look here. Look at we've already discussed this
RNG is gonna happen tomorrow. It might help him. It might hurt him, but don't be too hard on him. Okay? Let me do that
I'll be hard on him. Okay, but all I want him to do is mark tomorrow is remember the things
I've taught him and make the best decisions possible
That's what I want to it happens and like that happens where he gets in with a check
You know as you see calls him with ten five and a ten hits on the flop then hey
Congratulations, we'll take it in a second. Congratulations fifty thousand dollars. Oh, yeah. Yes. Yes, it's not gonna feel good either way
Ryan, thank you stream. I will be live tomorrow. I will see you guys. Oh
Okay, he's getting his fucking
You printed it out?
Oh yeah, I got it.
He's the most lawyer I should have ever seen in my life.
Oh no, I got some more for you.
So I have a client that I'm going to try to meet with for a few weeks now,
and they keep not waking up, and they ask me if I could just break into the house.
They want you to break into the house because of the call and they don't answer.
That's what I do.
No, you're for streamers. Yeah, exactly. Please just break into my house till I wake up. 4 p.m. Eastern. So 3 o'clock our time. So
20 hours from now chat is the tournament 20 hours from now. Okay
Okay, uh, and I've got all the information we're gonna go over it. What you need to do to get ready to get ready to get in.
All right stream. Thank you all very much. Uh