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Hello hello hello everybody campers on nice
all right how are we doing here today stream good morning you played rogue like any a style
dungeon scroller like last year. Well you played a rogue-like tiny rogues maybe.
Poker is at three or four? I think it's pretty late they sent me a schedule so
today's a long stream no matter what happens it's a long stream because
apparently there's a loser's bracket so I have two poker matches today no matter
or what. And I'm playing wow until then. So, because it's playing. So here's the schedule.
And this is CST, by the way. So at 4.30 p.m., it's Pay Money Wubby versus Alexandra Botes.
obviously not me. After their match, it's me versus Tyler. That's at 6 p.m.
Um, CST. I don't know what time that is for y'all, but, and then the third place
match, this is the Loser's Bracket, so let's assume I beat or lose to Tyler, I'll
be playing again right after. If I win, I'm gonna have an hour and a half of
fucking nothing to do. I guess I can watch their match, but I don't really care.
Um, and then the finals happens at 9 p.m. So if I win
I'm gonna be streaming all the way until my bedtime
So you have enough caffeine and Adderall I might need to upgrade to crack. I mean this is this is tough
I'm pushing 33
This isn't gonna feel very good
Yo, I bet your bathroom is covered in pubes dude true
very true
So I don't know we'll see
Ryan called me this morning, and he gave me a breakdown and gave me a bunch of pointers here and there
And he asked if he he wants to fuck
Ryan is so funny. I already know this is gonna
Whenever we have like Thanksgiving and like the whole family comes over
We usually have like some sort of game on football basketball. I don't know
I don't usually, actually I do watch, because what the fuck else is there to do?
But Ryan is the guy where, let's just say the whole family's having a conversation
and there is something to do other than watch the game.
Ryan won't be a part of the conversation, he's still gonna watch the game.
And so he'll be having a conversation,
I'll be talking with my mom or my dad or sisters, whatever,
and you'll hear Ryan, YES!
Just scream, out of nowhere.
Just some...
burst of energy.
Out of fucking nowhere just because someone scored something happened or vice versa
You might hear I'm sorry fire because he doesn't swear. He doesn't cuss. You just have him randomly screaming
I bring this up because Ryan wants to come over today
To watch the game the poker match
in
the living room
Right next to me
So there's gonna be like a three-minute delay of me streaming this poker match
But you're just gonna randomly hear Ryan just screaming
Whether
So he also wants to be here to coach me whether based on whether I win or lose
So he's like all right, I've got some pointers for this person to Ryan Ryan's taking this really serious
It's a lot of money
Stream it to him on discord. I don't think I'd be allowed
I think with this much money involved
any extracurricular things you do would be looked at with a little bit, you know, tighter of a lens,
especially streaming to your coach live, right? Not going to happen.
Because the money's not a joke. It's a lot. Like the whole concept of the tournament,
I was talking with Garrett, he was the coach they assigned me. I got to have a one hour
session with Garrett Adelstein. He sells fucking poker books by the way. This guy's nuts.
And he gave me some awesome pointers. Honestly, I might have had the best coach. He gave me
a really good noob script, you know. He didn't try and teach me full-time poker. He tried
to give me the best pointers he could in an hour of practice time for a novice who sucks
like me. Actual noob script. And with this much money, that's what I want. I'm not trying
to become a professional poker player. I'm trying to fucking win. Anyways, Ryan solidified
all that stuff. I had a point that I was getting to. I don't remember what it was though. Oh,
right. Garrett pointed out that he knows the owner of the website and the one who's putting
on this tournament. And I don't know how he came up with the idea, but Garrett was like,
Yeah, he just had this idea to do an obscene prize pool with a bunch of really shitty poker players.
And so that's what it is.
Of course, I'm gonna say yes, and I'm gonna fucking go to it.
Um, it's...
$50,000 for just winning one match.
$75,000 if I beat Tyler won.
$75,000 more, so I'll get $125,000 if I beat Tyler.
Total.
I'm guaranteed $50,000.
If I win the whole thing I get two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, but I have to win two poker matches back-to-back
And I don't know where people get this idea that I'm fucking ex QC and I have ex QC money I
Do not I don't have shroud money. I've got no mixer deals. No kick deals
I don't sell any fucking merch now. I'm extremely well off. I am not broke by any means, but god damn it
Motherfuck he doesn't even need them. I want it
You know, I can, I've got, I've got the, my, in my opinion,
I've got wants. If I were to have three kids,
I want all of them to go to college.
I want to be able to, I want each of my kids to have their own bedroom.
Growing up, I'd like a new car every 10 years.
I'd like all the food to be well paid for bills to be paid a pretty nice house.
Now I don't need three Lamborghinis.
I don't need a yacht, but goddamn it, I cannot afford my life.
I want the money, motherfucker, it's gonna piss people off if I rant about this, but
I want the fucking money.
Ridiculous.
You're a millionaire, bro.
And guess what?
I cannot afford all of those things I just listed as a millionaire.
I mean, if I were to stop making money right now, I guess I wouldn't be able to.
Imagine us. Yeah, I know it sucks. I'm very happy with what I've got, but God I'm just so tired of people saying I don't want the money
and I just I
Don't know I have this is me the fuck off rich person problems. Yeah, I guess so I
Guess it's a bit of an out-of-touch rant, but I've got a set amount of money. I want to have in my bank account
To afford
Those kind of things and I am not close to it
there might be a bit of a delay with the stream by the way because I'm streaming to an extra
server that way when I do the poker thing and after my stream off you realize you're
going full retard right now sucks to be all I guess truth be told
of
No?
Khadim Demon Hunter's song cover.
I know that's how I'm getting paid
I've been dying, now I'm fighting
Don't talk to me
Don't keep, keep on
Dying is a vulnerable way
You'll wait up, up, up
If the blind get another 20-20
When you get me talking
All of us are open and free
Hahahaha
This is what Odysseus heard from the Siren
Hahahaha
Ugh, shit. Fuck that's good.
Well what I'm gonna do until
The poker turn have you seen this? Okay, fuck
We got more things are linking
They datamined possible future assets for a while forever that look retail is fucked of old-school Rimsgate
It's a game with a hypercritical community that throws a riot at the students there
It's solved the future the one pain opportunity to change it for the better put bluntly
It's okay to have standards. It's fine. You are
This is a 38 minute video and I thought maybe you timestamped some shit
Wearing this weird mish-man yeah, that's tough
It's actually a good video yeah, maybe it's a little good it's one of those things though that it's like I'm not gonna watch 38 minutes right now
I'm not
Like I have I I just have more concerns of like gameplay than I do the visual aspect
Well, that's a decent thing of a jig
We fly to TB while I do this I
Guess the visual aspect does matter a lot like I do want them to fix bareform in sky elves sky elves themselves need an SD version I
Don't care that much about
the the leveling zone of Sky Elves considering I just don't see yourself
visiting it very often if you are going to be visiting it quite often then yeah
I have a little bit more concerns like I don't like I wouldn't want the Barrens
to be very retaily but also new zones I don't think we've leveled in any new
zones have we aside from the starting area we haven't seen it yet we'll see
discord I sent some stuff did you
huh you can just go to them okay well there you go so it's like here we go he
he goes complaining again yeah but to be fair god I'm just I honestly just don't
want to talk 90% of the time I sit on my fucking stream playing well but aren't
we like in the beta where this is the time to complain I mean I can talk about
how great the visuals look but I'm not gonna talk about it much more because I
I don't want it changed.
This is complaining.
Like there was one video, God, I fucking hate YouTube shorts,
but my editor's been putting videos out of me
on YouTube shorts complaining about Druid
and talking about how bad Druid is and everything.
I swear to God, like Druid really is the worst leveling
class and when you say that, it's almost like I shit
in 80% of the player base is Cheerios.
Like I just ruined their life.
What, but I'm not wrong about anything I've said.
Nothing I've said is wrong.
But I get offended by it.
Like offended and I don't get it.
And maybe like they're in this assumptions position
that I want Druids to be the best class in the game.
Be cool, but I actually would the only I actually like that Druid is one of the worst
And I kind of enjoyed making it work
but I
Don't want it to be as shit as it was as of right now
Druid in classic era is the worst leveling one of the worst
I'd say warriors probably behind when it comes to classic era for sure
No early on Druid is worse than warrior
I guess you have self healing, but you're just dog shit
You're one of the worst classes at leveling right and then they nerfed wrath making it do I want to say
60% less damage
than classic era
and they nerfed rage generation so
Bareform just got immensely nerfed and they made it to our weapon or bareform scales with weapon
So as your level 10 bear form is dog shit
You need a really good weapon and then it can become stronger, but before that
It's it's just
Already horrible and then made
You got everyone should level a druid you really should level a druid and then you got this 50% buff to
They gave a 50%
Increase to the base damage of wrath
That is a lot
However, when you actually look at the numbers, 50% increase of zero is fucking zero.
People don't understand how bad it was.
It was horrible, like, unplayable, damn near.
And now they gave it a 50% buff, well, you're fucking OP now.
No, no, actually, I think it's still bad.
It was so god-awful that it's still bad.
And I'm like, I say these things, you shut the fuck up Druid man, shut the fuck up you
complaining Druid.
It's that bad, what do you want?
I mean let's just remove the class, I guess, remove the class, it will obey true true but
I actually think, like these people are fucking psychotic or something, I don't know.
Hold on, oh, okay hold on, you want me to just, you send me the schedule one sec.
One sec, one sec.
Okay, I posted that, and then you linked.
Oh yeah, here we go.
Feral is after finding out that Swipe does not scale with attack power yet.
This is a pretty fun post.
I saw this.
I actually thought it was real for a second.
I truly thought this was real.
And I was like you know what maybe this would be kind of cool
Here's an offhand swipe gains one damage for every 10 fishing skill
And then you have an idol while standing in the water when swipe hits an enemy
It has a chance to catch a fish based on your fishing level
Grizzly helm when in bare form the druid can fish without a fishing pole when shapes of the end of bare form the druid gains
150 fishing skill for one minute
This is just goofy.
Each time you catch a fish, you gain 25 stamina for one minute.
Fishing plus eight.
Little fishing build.
Um, pretty funny.
Uh, an example of Sky, Skyborne Owlbear from the community.
Why can't they do this?
I actually don't know.
Maybe they will.
Because this looks fucking perfect.
It matches the shittiness.
That goes hard, right?
This is so ugly
Well, that's the thing it matches the world like let's shine go should I log into my druid and go bear form and show you how fucking ugly that is?
Rank 2 lightning bolt is a scam same with wrath
Shamans are in a really bad spot as well
But the good thing about shamans and leveling is enhancement is really strong really strong right now
Um, but you should be able to level as Ellie and not feel like you're completely fucking brain dead for doing so
Or maybe not, you know, this is a question for the devs
Do they want it to be kind of like classic where you have to level as a certain spec?
I don't think they'll ever make resto or
well restoration for shaman andrew it and holy and
Holy paladin an ideal questing spec ever like that's kind of hard to do but balance
an elemental. Try to think of what else. Is just balance an elemental?
I mean protection is probably fine. I gotta get fire and arcane. You know people are just leveling
as frost. Holy seems cracked. Not gonna lie. For questing? For solo leveling? But my point is
and I don't think balance druid will ever be as good as feral simply because of the cat form
movement talent that in itself is busted at level 20 but let's just say you're at a quest hub
you're there already let's take the running part out of it balance shouldn't be so fucked that it's
better to auto attack than cast wrath like that's absurd to me that's my opinion it's honestly a
question for the devs. What direction do they want? Do they want the Wild West where you just
have to level as feral? You have to level as enhancement, um, or you're an idiot?
Are we considering end get, or like, are we considering leveling when it comes to balancing?
In Classic, it really, maybe it was considered, but the game was pretty solved and people knew
what the good stuff was. But this isn't classic. I know it's not classic, but it's for classic
players and what's the direction? I'm okay with knowing either, but it would be kind
of nice just to know what their intention is when it comes to balancing the leveling.
Not every spec should be a leveling spec. It kind of makes sense. That's fine. But in
It balance just isn't a leveling spec and that's just how it is
But then we're going to go into feral being awful as well because feral is a struggle until cat form
It's always been a struggle till cat form, but it is amplified with the rage nerf
It's pretty bad
Even cat form is dog shit at 20 is it I
Guess it hasn't really been tested that much
But my DPS felt fine and wailing caverns with good gear
Everything good equals nothing is good. Well, that's kind of how the game is gonna be at endgame
I saw a lot of people saying that you know should there be a hybrid tax in the game
What is your opinion on should there be a hybrid tax at endgame?
What I mean by hybrid tax is because you're a hybrid you're going to overall be weaker
than the pure DPS specs when it comes to rating. DPS wise. Small but yes, I agree, I think
it should be small. I don't think, and this is, oh you're such a druid, but you're swallowing,
I want druids to do less damage than warriors. Balance and feral. And less than roaks, less
than mages, less than warlocks. There should be a slight hybrid tax, but it should be slight.
It should be, let's say, Warriors do 100 DPS, Balanced Druids should do 95, assuming they
do their shit correctly.
But...
Well, actually, no, and that's it.
Druids bring 3% crit for their party.
That's...
And maybe there will be some things to root, or...
And fairy fire, you know, some utility here and there.
But if we're gonna, like, make...
But Druids have healing, so they should do, like, 25% less damage.
Alright.
Here's how this plays out, then.
i'm gonna bring a rate of thirty six warriors
and maybe four healers because i have to
because the mechanics of classic are so fucking simple
that it's just about the dps
that's what that's what that turns into
define hybrid
warrior is dps slash take okay hybrid is something that can
druids shamans
paladins
that's it
They're basically they can heal and stuff
Like a rep Pali is a hybrid I
Don't think rep Paladin should do as much damage as a fury warrior or an arms warrior. Whatever. It's gonna be the DPS
back
Should not do less
There should be minor
Priest shadow priest should do less damage. That's a yeah, you're right shadow priest should do less
But again you bring in a lot of utility your power would shields hopefully the mechanics
Ask for it. Hopefully that shadow priest healing is felt and helpful in some form
I
Just don't want to get to a point where you know you just bring 36 fucking wayers to every raid
No healing spells, yeah, but Shadow Priest is still kind of a hybrid because you can
powerward shield.
You're going to have probably the extra mana for it, and you also do a lot of AoE healing
with your damage with Vampiric Touch or Vampiric Embrace.
It does a lot.
Just don't min-max.
The game is so easy, I guess, but it's going to be one of those things where you're going
to feel useless unless you play those classes. You're just going to feel bad the whole time
because your hybridness that you're bringing in is undervalued and not actually helping.
So I'm just going to re-roll. No one's going to want to bring you. Cool.
Why would I bring this shadow priest that does 25% less damage? What do they bring that
this warrior isn't going to bring? I'm just using warrior as an example, but you get my
point. So that's my opinion on hybrid tax. I do kind of want it to be there, but it should be minor.
But I think it's one of those things where because the hybrids, well they're not hybrids,
and they really only bring damage, they should bring more damage. Slight, but something to consider.
And more damage is the most important thing as a DPS at the end of the day. So it should be
be Slyther should be there. Now fuck hybrid tax outdated game design. Like I said, it
should be minor. I think in a perfect world, again, you do 95 DPS and the pure DPS classes
do about 100. And I think mage should do less single target because they have so much AOE
capabilities. I just hope there's mechanics where those AOE capabilities actually come
into play feels like forever is moving towards wow alts with legacy system
supporting that which feels opposite to osrs do you think there'll be content
for alt's playstyle? I don't know. I have no idea. Who knows what they're going to do.
They got all the time, they have forever to figure that out, don't they?
What do you think about PvP damage scaling? No, no, whatever damage, if your Frostbolt
hits for a thousand it should hit for a thousand no matter where you go. I'd rather the game
be unbalanced slop to maintain that. I think they did PvP scaling before and it didn't
feel that bad in retail because retail is already at a point where I couldn't tell you
what my shit hit for. I don't know how hard my shred was doing because you're kind of
over-stimmed with buttons and your rotation but in classic it would be even more noticeable
because you don't hit a lot so if I shred I know my shred hits for 200 and then I
shred this mage I'm like oh it's a clothy it's good it's so it's for 80 it's just
a little off-putting so no I think that'd be horrible
hopefully they'll introduce a bunch of weird gear so there's infinite builds
like chess horizontal balancing yeah you saw that fish thing for druid that's
It's funny as fuck.
Hope's sent other stuff as well, hold on.
Did they take things too far?
Is this even classic anymore?
They got rid of the guy's face.
Is the change, I won't revert it, some things are sacred.
He asks.
Crit damage nerfed in PvP.
Is that intended, maybe?
Looks like because we don't have Brazil, Blizzard is building Brazil-like mechanics into the game and changing crit modifiers and PVP.
Could be a bug like Xaru says, but I think this is to prevent a lot of the one-shot craziness that happened inside.
But if Blizzard is trying to stealth nerf crit without comms, that could lead to a lot of people super frustrated.
Interesting.
Here we go. Hidden systems that make you not know your own relative power at any given time.
Yeah, that guy know how hard my start fire crits for so it crits that much less plus
how would that be affected by talents like increases the critical strike damage bonus
of corruption and your dots. A lot of casters have a talent like this. I don't know. Yeah,
maybe they have to do it because they have to doubt. You know what? If anything, if it's
not a bug and it's intended, it may not be the right choice. But I mean, as a PVP or that
makes me happy that they're trying to do something. I don't know if it's the right choice. At least
they recognize that it is going to become a problem. We're in beta, so I'm just not gonna
Yeah, we'll see. Just add Stam to gear.
Um...
Maybe, but I don't think people want to have well over...
Like to me, if you have over 10,000 HP as a non-tank, there's a problem.
Use a pet. Yeah, I need a summoner.
Are you mentally prepared for Tyler to bring up the only Vang's loss every hand during the poker match?
He is frankly a much better shit talker than anyone else in tournament
Well, we'll see
We'll see how I play we'll see what I do
They get these snap shod gel shells or whatever actually
What quest do I need to do? Hold on. Yeah, I gotta get these shells. That's right. Okay.
Dots can crit now, right? Yes, they can. And so can hots. Apparently, it's been a bug this whole
time. You're all the Heal Over Time spells have not been critting when they're supposed to be.
Kind of a big deal for us, Woodroot. A little buff.
I'm sure there's some things I can say to Tyler during our 1v1, surely.
I can bring up that, you know.
What's that fucker's name?
That just...
Never actually competed in LCS, by the way.
Couldn't get Challenger in Korea by the way, but flew over there.
How much was the plane ticket, by the way?
Things like that, you know, I can go in.
It's fine.
Calm down.
Oh, we'll see what happens, you know.
But I've got I've got a plan I'm not this I'm trying to actually win that fucking
I bet honestly Tyler's probably trying to win that fucking money too I don't think Tyler's
ever gotten any big streamer deal like Felix or Shroud or any of them so yeah he definitely
wants that fucking money and I don't blame him it's it's a lot
oh he actually has kids too it's true hey he has two kids isn't he for my thing
someone else I don't know I get all these streamer children confused I don't pay that close attention
how much time before your poker duel I got uh like five hours dude I've got a pretty long time
actually no I think I might have seven hours let me check again
Yeah, I got I have seven hours man. Yeah, it's a long stream
So I'm not really even thinking about it as much I reach level 15, maybe
My goal is to get level 14 and I'm gonna run ruins and then I'm gonna run wailing caverns
And then I'll probably be level 20 and then I might log into a new character
Sorry leveling something else
Do you think trolls better than orc for hunter for any reason why did I go troll I?
Went troll because I'm really only leveling these characters to like test out
this bullshit, or to test this bullshit out, but also get legacy talents for the level 30 dualturning.
And at this low of a level, there's not a lot of stuns in the game.
So the Orc racial is slightly worse on beta than it will be in life.
And the troll racial for Hunter, I think, could be pretty good.
With being able to freezing trap while in combat, 50% health is pretty fucking good.
So that's why that's why I went troll but if I was playing on the actual live game
There's no fucking shot in hell. I'd play troll over orc
Oh now it's good. Well, yeah, because there's no stuns in the game and
The stuns that are in the game are reduced like hammer of justice lasts like what three seconds
Ash lasts two seconds or three. They have extremely long cooldowns. Rogues don't have cheap shot, no kidney shot.
Trying to think of what other stuns are even in the game.
Warriors don't have intercept because it's minor. I guess War Stomp.
What else is there, stun-wise?
Concussive shot. Can't really proc and stun. There's no improved starfire going on.
Even minor stuns are not in the game.
Road gets both at 30. Yeah, but I don't know if I'm gonna be playing my hunter at 30
Like I said, I'm playing level 20 right now, and I'm getting to level 25 and then logging off probably
It's for the legacy tournament
Why 25 because that is
Okay, so there's a level 30 duel tournament that's being hosted the winner gets 50k
I
Don't think I'll win. I'm relatively sure that I won't I don't think true
It has the ability to but regardless. I'll do my utmost
In this tournament it is kind of unset as to whether or not legacy talents are gonna be allowed in the legacy tree if you get
The second tier of Legacy Talents, meaning once you've spent five talents, you will then unlock the ability to get a talent called Talented.
Legacy Talents are essentially a talent point system for your account.
This allows you to get one talent point, or each point of the Talented, the talent point, allows you to get one talent point early.
So you'll start getting talent points at level five, as opposed to level ten.
Of course, those talents will stop at 55, like you won't have more talents, but it's a pointless talent at endgame.
But for the dueling tournament, you're essentially getting five extra talent points.
So, I need to level up my legacy tree ten times minimum.
Every time you get a character to level 25, you get one legacy point.
Every time you get your profession to 150, a non-cret- er, non-gathering profession, you get a talent point.
So, in other words, I need to level just about every class to 25, and then I need to get
each profession to 150, and maybe even to 225 if I need extra points.
And you don't know if it'll be allowed.
This could be a massive waste of time.
Funnily enough, I think TIPS announced that you're going to have to make your character
at the same time as everyone else.
funny you I'm still prepping because you can still get these legacy points even
though they're doing this rule so the alliance Druid that I leveled is
pointless and then I rolled a horde druid and that druid is pointless
completely because I'll have to re-level another druid it won't even count
towards the legacy points I was referring to because you can only get each
class of 25 for one point once and I have to level a druid anyways literally
pointless waste of time
What about fun I had a lot of fun leveling my druid that's so true
The fact that I am killing this level 16 is crazy and I'm in green like my gear shit
I haven't done a single dungeon yet. I don't have any blues making the OP or any of this class is just fucking crazy
greater magic wand is OP yeah I have a level 5 wand
doesn't I mean it's still busted this is fucking crazy
you're casting Emily bucko it does no damage you're not good you're just retarded
Okay, so I'm playing the class awfully and I'm still fucking owning
This class is crazy. What are you trying to fucking say?
I'm gonna keep casting Emily by the way, I think the damage is really good for killing higher levels
Because once you actually get the dot on them it does its full damage all the way through I
Also haven't trained since level 10
So, my dots are pretty low level.
ML8 is rank 2 though.
Corruption is rank 1.
Do legacy points count?
Say if I have 2 accounts, wow 1 and wow 2 with beta.
Do legacy points appear on both or are they individual?
That's something we'll find out.
I don't know. Good question. I don't know.
You see Venruki's tier list? I have not.
For what?
Oh, I did finish the quest, yikes.
Alright, let's get out of here.
Come on, full crit.
VTubers?
You see Ziko's PvP tier, that's a little 30, he put Druid in A tier?
Did he?
I mean, maybe with travel form, and also he's a mage.
So mage is the one class that Druid really fucks over, at least at level 30.
through the whole game actually what is up three hours ago you know what I might
an hour and a half holy shit I don't see no tearless here two weeks ago
of ladies and g
Hmm, but a venerookie
My honest thoughts after leveling a warlock and wow forever
The people have such strong identity or class identity
They are probably going around like a warlock main will hear someone
They'll go into a streamer's chat and be like warlocks are not overpowered. They're trying to hold the line
Everyone's fucking the LARPing
It is not
Oh, here we go level 30 dueling tier list
If you guys know me for my retail content, you know, we make some of the best tier lists in the game
I'll actually throw up the chat here so you guys can check out what people are saying.
So if you don't know, Ben Rookie is a BlizzCon champion.
Well, I don't actually, I don't know if he's ever won.
He probably has.
But he's a BlizzCon competitor.
Very good player.
If you do, if you know, you know.
And if you don't know, you don't know.
But there is a level 30 dueling tournament coming up.
All right.
There was a lot of...
All right, so...
I'm curious what he thinks start with
What I think is the worst dueling class in the game warrior. I really cannot see them winning. It's warrior
I and I first of all guys. This is only my opinion. This is not fact, but I'll tell you why I think the way I do
Okay, so warrior. I think is the worst dueler in the game
Yeah, okay. It's where yeah
Don't think it's possible for a warrior to be
So many of the classes involved in this tournament. I think they actually just have no chance
Now it's depending on what the rules are if you can use consumables
And we also don't know if there's special items one thing that is a bit of a wild card here
Is there could be items that are good for dueling in dungeons that get added?
Like
Warriors could be really strong competitors when you allow all the consumes because they have like free action potions
Which this just make them immune to CC, right?
They're just raging fucking machines that you can't stop and they do more damage than anyone and their strongest weakness is that you can stop them
So I know there's a belt from wailing. They already had spider belt which removes one movement impairing effect 30 minute CD
Amongst other stuff like if I can't CC a warrior off of me, I cannot win I
I just can't do it and then you lose and everyone Omega Lowes, but it really comes down to like
10 ICC the warrior will say we don't know right from 20 to 30 with all kinds of exploration
We can do there might be new things with you know gear and dungeons a little random
Nicknacks that might be able to like give warrior an edge
But I feel like if I was a mage doing a warrior, I don't think I can lose
And maybe it's yeah, maybe those one shot me. I don't know
Okay, it happens so I would say warriors D tier down bad
True
Next let's do warlock a lot of people going into this tournament the student warlock was gonna be like one of the best level 30
Duelers probably would have put it a s tier I
Am gonna put warlock and I put an age here. Oh, okay. I
think
It has some problems. So at level 30 you don't have spell lock. Let me see before he talks. Oh, he does a spell lock at 30 I
Thought you got that with the hound at 20. No
You get the fell hunter at 30. It doesn't come with it. Oh 36. Oh fuck. I didn't know that
Let me see what warlocks get at 30
So the first thing I'm going to go to is I'm checking Feldom.
So you're going to get maxed out stamina.
Increase the effectiveness of your sacrifice.
I'm not sure what you do with the other points here, but let's just dump it in Fel Armor
and then you want to get demonic sacrifice. You want to try and get soul link, right?
You want to get this maxed out. Increase the effect of your succubus and incubus.
And all of this is kind of shit. I guess you always get pet damn and then you get fell dumb.
Let's get rid of this, get rid of that. This requires level 25.
You need to get soul link at this point since you've committed so far already.
You just have to maybe improve health funnel. I don't fucking know from here. Soul link.
bang increase your spell damage and your demons pet spellers by 30% of your
hmm and you got to get improved corruption for an instant corruption
this requires level 35 so this might be the build that warlocks play and then
you don't have improved life tap either this is eco shearless I'll look at in a
second. Okay, yeah, I could see this being real. Priest and S tier. Good day. The cap
is 30. No, because legacy talents. So if you don't have legacy talents, this is your level
30 build. I don't even know if you take SL. You might be better off doing a deep affliction
build and taking siphon life. That way you get instant corruption as well.
Let's see. I think you can beat everything as a druid except priests. You can't
beat priests. You just can't. Let me see. I lose to a hunter.
Paladins don't have a magic dispel yet so I think I can beat Paladins. It
It depends on, I mean, it really is gonna come down to, the Paladins just gonna melee
the fuck out of me.
I cannot run, because they have that judgment that takes away travel form speed, so I'm
just gonna be casting in their face with cloth gear on, or, you know, intellect gear.
They can't dispel moon-fired insects from, so I've got that going for me.
It depends on how much damage I do, because I have to get through a bubble, and lay on
hands, and all this other bullshit, I don't even know if lay on hands is gonna be allowed.
I think I can win though.
It also depends on how much damage do Rett's do, and they just fucking one-shot me.
Seal of Justice doesn't limit speed in this, does it not? Does it not ruin travel?
Uh, I don't know if I can beat Rogues.
Let me think.
I don't think I can beat Rogues. Rogues beat me.
Actually, if it's best out of three, do Rogues have prep?
If Rogues have prep, I don't think I can win.
Um...
Because they would win two duels out of three
Potentially I'd have to think or do they have improved sprint no they need prep
Hmm
Perhaps a ten minute cooldown, but when you do it so the way the duel works is if I get the rogue off of me
I win
Right just break it down to that if I get the rogue off in other words
I get him in a full cc of some sort. I win the duel. It's over the rogue has vanished which again
I'll fairy fire him, but it still removes roots
So all natures grasp him
Which will root him he will vanish it
I cannot travel for him away because he'll pop sprint for movement
So I cannot get him off. Maybe I could then war stomp and cast a root
This is why Taren is really better than Night Elf and that gives me the win. I just won the duel
But if he has prep
Actually, no, maybe I still beat rogue because even with prep with war stomp. It would give me a root an
Extra root that would get him off of me. He doesn't have PvP trinket. I assume. Oh
Spider belt no he has spider belt that removes one as well. No, I can't beat rogues
Can't be roaks
Yeah, you got that one extra removal it's over
Human racial human racial is a stunt drink it if he plays gnome. I do think it's horde only though, so I'm not sure
Come on it is so RNG with rogues. No, it's really not the I don't
Like, again, if the rogue is on me, I'm dying, slowly, but surely, I am losing, so the whole
duel is getting him off.
All that matters is getting them in a checkmate with getting them off of me, then the duel
is over.
Same with rogue vs mage.
As soon as the mage gets a polymorph on the rogue, the duel is over.
Um, that's just how it works.
Title charm.
Would we have title charm?
Maybe.
go thorns and then stack stamina. Yeah, that YouTube short really did a lot of, did not
do a lot of justice for bad players when it comes to how the game actually works. Titles
level 35 yeah okay yeah a lot of surface level wow gamers are definitely misdirected
uh yeah I don't know I'm looking here one two three four five no no not there
either one two three four five I don't know if they need dirty tricks critical
strike of ambush is probably important ghostly strike it's gonna be a
deserter spec with seduce angle spamming big hits with seduce no fell
hunter yeah warlocks might just place a deuce I could see that which is cool I'd
love to see warlocks play deserter but deserter has never really been that good
because you have to cast and all that with them on you so this is level 30
right so if we gave rogues five extra this is with prep with five extra points
but they just go deeper into sub
they take 5% crit spider bells level 31 no there's a spider belt and wailing
caverns that they'll have
NG, Nature's Grasp, Root, Bash, Warstone, Grenade.
Well, you can only do one of those, because as soon as you stun them, they're now on stun
DR, and all of the other stuns have become completely worthless because the stun isn't
long enough to do any follow-ups, and by the time stun DR is off, you will be dead.
So I think it might turn into a Zugfest of, I just War Stomp and I regrowth and I just
rejuve and I spam Moonfire the entire time and just try and kill them that way.
I don't know, we'll have to see the actual pacing of the game but I don't think I'll
be able to CC rogues off of me I don't think that's a good style and if they
don't go prep I definitely CC them off of me and I win two out of three
absolutely absolutely fucking Lutli because then they'll only have one
vanish actually fuck if they go improve sprint it's over they probably go improve
sprint because then they have a vanish and they have a sprint and they have a
spider belt that's three root breaks and they only need to win two duels
Or maybe I sacked the first duel, so I nature's grasp, right?
They get rooted, and then I war-stomp, I cast another root, and then they break the next
root, and now they're fucked for the next two duels.
Assuming they're not gnome.
I don't know, whatever, I'm theory-crafting, it doesn't matter yet.
Uh, let me hear their talent list.
Which is really annoying, right?
So a mage is going to be able to like freak ass in your face.
Your fel hunter doesn't have resistances anymore.
So you don't just have like an immune fel hunter.
The range on your fear is really bad.
You don't have death coil.
I just feel like Warlock is enabled much more closer to like 40, 50 than it is a level 30.
So I don't think Warlock will be tanky enough.
I don't think it will do enough damage to really be scary.
However, I could be wrong.
Snuts managed to make it to the finals last time.
I'm gonna put it in beats here
Belldom is insane being able to fucking void sack and get a 10,000 HP shield and then do it again same dual
Also the engineering was kind of crazy
Like you had a you had a a mithril chicken or dragon that was doing more DPS than anyone else
Death Coal is so necessary.
Snut said that he's gonna play Priest, says it all. Yeah, he's gonna play the right class.
Classic dueling, it is, yeah.
But, uh, yeah, even when Warlocks get Death Coal, there's a very good chance that people will have Trinket too, right?
Oh, one more thing I wanted to point out that I'm considering in this tier list.
Because this is specifically for the dueling tournament of what classes I will do well.
Every single person in this tournament will be Hoard, which means no one gets to play Noam.
Okay, it also means everyone will be a horde race which I think is bad for warlocks
I think it's basically multiple races on horde side that counter warlocks
True win
Maybe but I think it's gonna be tough orc and undead. Yeah
All right next up which one do you guys want me to do next?
Let's
Hunter could be up there.
Okay.
There will be very strong.
Hunters might be able to beat priests.
I'm trying to think. Hunters might be one of the best at 30.
Being able to do a 50% reduced healing, fucks over priests really hard, makes them actually have to cast spells.
Hunters have a really high amount of HP. They can trap while in combat
So they can easily like trap faint death and then first aid which in a dueling tournament their first aid is gonna be massive
Right so being able to get those first aids off consistently with freezing trap is nuts
And their damage is crazy, too. They might be the highest. They're the highest damages in the game right now
so
Now again, their only weak point is they don't have self healing if you dot them. They're having a bad time
Their health is gonna be slowly trickling down, but it but no they could just trap you faint death and just eat food
Even if you dot them
Troll regen on top of that. Yeah, again, like they can just constantly trap people. That's insane. Will they have scattershot?
All right, I keep looking at these talents. I could just listen to Ven, but I'm looking at this and I might disagree with him at times.
I think they have scattershot. Oh my god. Yeah.
I mean, scatter trap and then they get to faint death afterwards.
And then they're out of comp. Yeah, they're just gonna be eating constantly
Maybe they'll limit food, but I don't think it'll matter because the duel be over by then it won't last that long
Their damage is so crazy and then they take the crocodile
Actually, what do they take for a duel tournament if you have to pick one pet
Well, are you able to have multiple pets can you swap or do you have to go to a stable for that?
The croc has an MS it reduces healing by 50% if a hunter takes that they destroy me
I can't I won't be able to survive
Their damage. I'll just die. There's nothing else to it
And if I try and dead zone them all I do is line up a scatter trap for them you actually need to
Max range is just tank the damage
I guess I maybe I could hibernate the pet and keep the pet off of me
but will they have I remember at max level level being people were like why
don't you hibernate beans pet in a level 60 dual tournament and it's because he
had aspect of the nature or something and he specced his pet into having like
300 nature res so the pet was unceasingable for me
scatter only is a 15 yard range well that's why at surface level people like
just dead zone the hunter just dead zone the hunter that's what you should do but actually when
you're going against a good hunter and you know how the duel really plays out you actually want to
max range the hunter so that it's difficult for them to scatter shot you either way and sitting in
bear form is pointless because they'll just cast scare beast and then you're in a full fear and now
you let them eat and drink even more um the whole point is to try and rush them and do more damage
than they can eat and drink and bandage back up.
So yeah, they'll have scattershot that's horrifying.
Of multiple reasons. First of all, you have much more options with your pet.
The only thing that's going to be hard for hunters is I don't think you're going to be
able to change your pet. So this is the way I thought about a lot. I think that if hunters
could change their pet for every single person that they can play.
ABS here. Yep.
It would be a lot better for them. For example, you play a healer, you're going to want to play,
or you fight a healer, you're going to play the croc. If you fight a rogue, you can play the pet
That's the Psalms you can find a mage. Maybe you play a pet that has range damage
Why is that not a lot? Well first of all hunters can only stable two pets, right?
So you only have two pets. I guess three you get up you can have your pet and two more
But it's because they don't want people to go back to town and respect
They actually lock normally in these tournaments. They lock you into one spec. So you have to lock they get a stable with engineering. Oh
Oh
Hunters might be us here if that's the case
If that's the case hunters are s tier they can swap their pet and they can play the pet that counters certain classes
Yeah, no, I put on her an s tier just because of that
I can one spec for the whole tournament and it's a logistics thing right because they're using people to summon you to like a really special zone
So wouldn't make sense if everyone was going back to town after every duel
re-spacking, getting a new pet, etc. etc.
So...
Paladins might still beat Hunter, though?
Uh, I don't know.
It depends on Hunter Paladin damage,
because the Paladin's gonna cast Freedom, right?
And, oh no, then the Hunter will just Scattertrap them,
and then get Ranging in.
No, Hunter wins.
Ah!
No, it depends on the damage,
because the Paladin can just bubble the CC, right,
and just keep fucking going.
Can the Paladin kill him in that time?
I don't know.
If they could play all Pats, I'd put them in S tier, but I think because they, it's like, yeah.
I think they'll be, uh, they'll be A tier.
Um, yeah, because they do a ton of damage. They do a ton of damage, they got good control,
and I think against most stuff, they'll be really strong.
Paladin seem, or Hunter seem nuts.
What do you want to do next?
I don't think Ben knows about the fucking mobile stable. I'd put him in S tier.
That's the only thing I disagree with him on right now I
Oh, I wanted to say I think the one thing about Hunter that isn't good
No self-healing playing Hunter in this tournament. I would 1 million percent be a troll. I
Think maybe I wouldn't
Know he might be cooking he could be cooking
because again there's not I guess rogues do have cheap kidney but I don't think
rogues are the most problematic for a hunter so going orc and getting the
stun duration reduction the value is not as strong I think rogues just lose to
Hunter. What do they do with one scatters? No PVP trinkets. Scatter-free
strap. What do you do? That's it. End of the duel. No blind. So because of that, you
need to worry about the classes you might struggle with. And the classes you're
gonna struggle with are gonna be the classes that have self-healing and they
drag the duel out. So yeah, having the troll ratio could be better. I think he's
cooking with that
cool
patrol but
the one thing about hunter that is really difficult is you don't have any recovery
so like
once your health gets low unless you manage to get a full reset with a trap and you run away and you eat and drink
your health never goes up
so in these dual tournaments what people do is they rush you down right
like a priest is gonna be like they're gonna run in they're gonna uh... you know put up their big dots they're gonna throw a nade at you
I'm gonna use fricking
Trying to take out that HP box and just everything and you just fall apart really really quickly
Oh, yes, I think sappers are gonna be able to have you really fast, so it's gonna be a race to the finish
What list is this this is what I think will be good in the level through 30 duals. Oh here we go. He's doing drew it drew it
Drude gets a lot of stuff at 30 the class become kind of comes online here
Pardon me. I should once I put it C tier
Yeah, I think I'm gonna put it C tier
Yeah, I
agree with this
better than warrior for sure and I think the main reason for this is
Druid damage has not seemed that good. No far Scott awful far that I've seen I
And it's hard for me to say though, it kind of depends.
I feel like most Druids that play in this tournament will likely play Swiftman and NS.
Really?
No way.
No fucking way do you play Feral in this tournament.
I feel like Druids, especially in this tournament, will be very susceptible to fear and traps.
So, like, I think it'll be very easy. I think even Warlocks will be the Druid, to be honest with you.
Because, uh, another thing that's very important to remember about this tournament is that
Feral will shit on Priest. No, you don't have Berserk, you don't have any of that.
So, let's hear- Here's Feral Druid vs Priest.
So, you don't have Pounce yet. You open on him and you're feared instantly.
And then you run 50 yards away because cat form movement speed and the the priest will cast a mind blast and then start
Wanding you by the time you get back to the priest. You are now half HP. Oh
Fuck I have to shift out you've shipped out a cat for me
You start casting a regrowth right in their face because again, they don't fear anything at this point
They're like, all right, I'm gonna regrowth. Well, you don't have any actual healing scaling in feral
So you regrowth for 100 HP
But it's okay. You've got the dot and the rejuvenate ticking dispelled by the priest
Fuck you go back in cat form. You are completely um at this point
Your health is still half and fears off cool down again. You're feared again. That's the end of the duel versus priest
That's it. That's how that actually plays out
You go against a hunter all right, I'm a feral druid I'm gonna open on this guy you get to him
You don't pounce yet. He's not stunned you get wing clipped and the hunter just walks away
Fuck you shift out you shift back in your wing clipped again. Fuck you shift out you shift in your room
You're wing clipped again. Fuck you shift out
Scattershot trap you're like, that's okay. I'm gonna pre bear form this freezing trap. His damage is gonna be low
He starts casting scare beast. Oh
Fuck you got two choices sit in bear form and then sit the fear the hunter drinks back up to full
completely recovered or you know I'm gonna shift out of bear form in this
trap because you can do that you take an aim shot dome to the face and you die
that's how that plays out you go against the rogue you start bear form
because their stealth is better cheap shot kidney shot you're in bear you're
half health still because fucking bleeds I'm gonna hit him really evasion and you
start dodge dodge dodge dodge duels over you lost grass
Nature's Grasp, spider belt.
What else is there?
Mage, okay.
Cool, Mage.
Oh, you can shift all the Novas.
I'm in cat, you open on the Mage, blink.
I'm on a Feral Charge, you go bear.
You Feral Charge, you got him immobilized.
You shift back into cat form.
You claw them for 50 damage.
And then the Feral Charge immobilization is gone.
And because of Frost Armor, you're slowed, and the mage just walks away.
You don't have a slow, so you shift out your Oom.
That's your feral life.
That's how it actually plays out.
Feral charge and cat.
Oh, it doesn't days.
Cool.
You you're next to them and they just walk away.
That's how that plays out.
Feral is a joke.
So you play balance.
You have roots.
Let me just shift out of cat form, cast a root, and then shift back in, and now I'm tapped.
Ice block, it's gone. No, it's just, it's not a good dueling class, it sucks. Sorry, it just does.
I don't think anyone will have a medallion, so there's no way to get out of a fear. If you're
druid and a priest fears you, you're just out of it. You're sleeping on druid? I could be,
I could be totally wrong, but I just, and once again guys, max professions and everything could
change how these go but one thing that could make feral be good is the net can
be really good or I would say the net in itself the engineering net is just an
insane trinket for all druids and I think they'll have it the gnomish net or
whatever even if it backfires you just travel form shift it I'm not I don't I'm
I'm not feeling super threatened by Druids, especially with how their damage is looking.
I just watched Soda's video, the damage is looking monkey to you, so I think they're
going to be maybe forced into playing Feral, and maybe that won't be good.
Okay, let's do Shaman.
Shaman I think is actually extremely good.
I think Shaman will be one of the top contenders.
Shaman's actually horrifying.
I put it in A. Oh!
I don't know about A tier. I might put it in B tier. I think they go, um, maybe. Let me look.
Uh, let's go to Shaman.
Okay, no, they can get mindfulness, so
I guess you probably just have to put points here. I think you play like deeper into resto than you'd like,
but you just kind of have to. You need to take mindfulness.
They can't go home. Okay. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm, you know, too druid-brained. You need to get improved ghost wolf
That's pretty much required
Increase the health that I don't care about that critical strike or intelligence
I'm not sure what's more valuable. Let's go. Whatever one of those you get this and you get that
You get reduced cost of your shocks and whatnot. This is level 28 already
Mmm.
Lightning Shield, increase your chance to dodge.
Tiger bonus of Rockbiter.
Wind Fury, you get two points there.
This is 31.
Okay, so now you have Stormstrike and you have mindfulness.
But you can also get earthbound.
Your earthbind totem immobilizes targets for five seconds. You could get this.
But then you're sacking a lot.
33, you can be up to level 35 because of the five legacy points.
Then you've got two points to play around with. This is what you have to do with enhancement. You can't get water shield. You need storm strike.
Maybe just toughness, you know, a little bit of stamina.
Hmm.
Improved Stormstrike gives regen.
You're right.
Okay.
So maybe you don't need to do this shit.
Maybe you can do deeper enhancement and you can get improved Stormstrike.
When you're Stormstrike you have to just gain 50% mana regen while casting spells for
15 seconds. It has a cooldown reduction when they dodge your parry, so that gives you a
lot of power versus rogues. Okay, you're right. You could do all in on enhancement.
And then you get flurry, then you get improved storm strike.
Improve your spell damage and healing up to 15% of your intelligence.
Do you think Mandem should add dual wield to classic enhancement shaman, or should it stay unique with two hand?
Gives you a chance to parry enemy melee attacks. Maybe you take this as well.
For one point that's like 5% whatever. What did you just say? Fuck, I have my durations closed.
It should stay two hand. I think, I think two handed enhancement is a very classic enhancement
shaman thing and they should balance it around that. As soon as they allow dual-wielding,
one's going to become superior to the other and the other becomes dead. And I think dual-wield
will always surpass it, so they should balance shaman to use two-handed. That's what I think
it should be.
Uh, it's a horrifying burst class.
Yeah, maybe this is the best.
If not, you go Ellie, but Ellie might go Oom, but Earthbound is so strong.
This just completely fucks over.
You just win versus all melee by having this, maybe not win, but actually what's the quote
on Earthbind?
I don't know. Either way, check the one I sent you.
Three weapons is with Rockbiter, you'll be running Winfury at 30.
Uh, is, wait, what are you talking about?
Gives a chance to parry enemy melee attacks, reduce all threat,
generated by your attacks by 30% while Rockbiter weapon is not active.
Okay, no, you still gain a chance to parry. My point is you reduce melee damage taken by like 5% for one point.
It's a chance to parry. The spear weapons is very good. Let me see your build.
You took one point and improved lightning shield and dead rogue?
No.
Either way, I just wanted to see what shamans would have.
I don't know what the actual build is, but it might be melee storm strike.
Alright, let's keep listening.
Really really strong.
They have great disruption.
Their mobility has been increased.
They're super tanky.
I think they're going to be good.
And I think they'll specifically be good against, I think the main advantage for Shaman is I
think they're going to be good into the meta for level 30 duel tournaments.
They beat priests.
There's a part of me that wants to put Shaman at S tier.
And you guys will find out as this tier list goes on, the reason why a lot of these classes
to me are in A tier is because I think they have a chance against what's S tier.
Priest.
It's priest.
Such a strong class man.
We really saw it in this tournament.
You want the end?
They have shears.
So really you might actually want the int the level 30 meta
So like we're gonna be twinking the fuck out people are gonna have so much stamina
That this really does come down to mana fights
Warrior is just not on the board
Self-healing classes are what win hunters can't self heal, but they can reset they can CC you and then bandage and then drink and eat
Warlocks have fear and then drain life. Druids have a lot of self-healing.
Paladins do. Rogues are probably not gonna be high up here. Mages can poly and
can reset. These duels just last fucking forever. And I don't think you're gonna be
one-shotting people with how much stamina they're gonna have. So really is the
5% crit better? It might be, but I wouldn't go all gung-ho and be like,
it's the best. You might like that 10% it. Also, I don't know how this scales. Is
Is it 10% increased int of your base int or 10% increased intelligence factoring in your intelligence gear?
I do think int is going to go a long way.
It's total? Yeah, I don't know. Again, just understand the pacing of level 30.
It's priests are so strong because they have a lot of self healing and they can wand.
At the end of the day, that's really the two things that make them crazy. Let's keep listening.
Their damage is high. They can make it that freaking nightmare
Paladin is s
Paladin
I'm putting Paladin at B tier
Maybe I'm putting Paladin at B tier. Let's just skip right to Paladin
I think my biggest problem with Paladin is they just get kited like crazy
They do.
Like, there's an old meme and adage about Rep Paladins, you know?
Like in the retail landscape, Rep Paladins are hitting you from 30 yards away, they're
on their divine steed, they're freedom, they're sprinting at you, they're throwing hammers.
In classic, they kind of have a hard time connecting.
They're very susceptible to crowd control.
Do I agree with B tier?
I'd put them in A tier, I feel like, but let me look, maybe he's right.
So, Rhett Paladins at level 30, let's look at the Rhett talent tree.
You're probably going to want benediction.
I think casters are your biggest issue, so I don't think you'd get deflection.
Critical strike, consecration, decrease the corner of your judgment.
I'm not sure what you take here, but I'm sure people will optimize.
You take seal of command.
This is big.
15% movement speed.
Again, that helps them a lot.
Identity spectra has reduced attack power, increases your attack power, mmm.
Gives your judgement a third of the units to return trumps into the mana cost.
That's not bad.
Eye for an eye is definitely needed.
What do you get and say holy and whatnot?
Voice of truth.
I don't know what you play in this you could take Templar's Bulwark when activated this ability grants you absorb that gives you 100% of your max health for 8 seconds
It's
Almost as good as an eight-second bubble
Holy shock, maybe you fucking right. I
Don't know if you play ret you might play holy shock
and then you also get the
Ooh 30% of your manor region not 50
You actually might play holy I think you guys are right
I'm trying to see how this plays out versus other classes though.
You lose to Priest with this build.
You don't do enough damage.
You need to be able to force the Priest to cast spells.
And if you don't, then they're just going to keep wanting you and their mana is just
going to be infinitely generating.
You don't you have a hundred percent mana regen while winding right so that's the strength of it
And if you don't do enough damage you don't force them to cast they don't go oom and you lose and I don't see holy doing enough damage
So you lose to priest
You lose to warlock
You lose to mage
Just because of polymorph and whatnot and that's how it works
Actually, maybe you don't lose to mage. Maybe with enough self healing
You can wither them down and eventually the mage will run out of water.
The paladin sucks.
I think I agree with Enrug.
I don't think Pali wins.
I might even put him down in B tier.
Oh, wrong one.
Oh yeah, B tier.
They can go out of mana.
I could maybe see, I don't know exactly what their damage looks like, but when I currently
fight paladins, I just get it ranged from them and they can never hit me again.
Ever.
He's not even considering the Holy Shock build, I think you do play Holy Shock though.
Leonhands also ooms you in this game, so it's like, if you ever use Leonhands, you're just becoming auto-attacker.
It is a full health bar though.
He said the damage is S tier, they do a lot of damage, but if they can't connect, they can't do damage, so...
I think they're a bit of a wild card, but I would put them at beats here because of that.
I don't think they'll win.
Okay.
Obviously we saved the the most controversial classes for last right RMP
The classic trio. Let's see what he puts him in. I'm actually like if I have to guess I think mage
Mage might be a tier
It all depends on the tournament rules because mages are so good at resetting and drinking but typically in tournaments like this
They limit the amount of water and food you're allowed to have because the duals just last forever
Um, and shit has to move on so may just kind of get nerfed just based on tournament rule sets
um
That would nerf hunters to to be honest I
Know I'm gonna be playing major in the tournament, but I would say may just probably down there with warrior
Don't know about that
I don't know about that
What I mean it it struggles. I'd probably put it. Let me think
Maybe he is right. Let me think. I think it might lose to shaman. Shaman can fuck over a mage with self healing and damage
maybe
No, I think mage can burst a shaman down they poly once they get the poly on the shaman they first aid back up
They start bolting the shaman from across the map doing insane damage and they have to kill the shaman with their counter spell
Like they've got their go and then if they don't kill them poly and reset
But I think I don't know if mage can beat shaman depends on the pacing
I don't know if they can I don't know if mage can be paladin. I think mage can beat warlock
I think warlock loses to mage. I
Think hunter beats mage
mage beats warrior druid beats mage
Priest probably beats mage. I think mage beats rogue
Okay, it may it may just I don't know if it's gonna do so hot, but it's better than warrior
Let's let him hear let him talk. I'm talking really tough to be a mage right now
Sadly, you know defense is limited
You know, let's see his chat
I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. I think I'm okay
I mean, he's a better mage player than they maybe he knows something. I don't know
Okay, fuck I think mage mage anything so here anything in eight year. I think that has a chance to win the tournament. I
Think mage is you baited me. I'm a doler. They're they're a dampener
The main strategy on mage and a lot of duals is just out living outlasting your opponents
You either outlast their mana or
You outlast their cooldowns and then you can just reset with Polly and drink
And you could basically do that indefinitely, you know cooldowns are really long. So like for example
You fight a rep howlin if you get his bubble you just blink away and walk in a straight line
He can never hit you you she foam you drink the full and now he's doing and you just blast
And now he just doesn't have a bubble strategies like that. I think are really powerful. I
Think Mage will be really good in this tournament. Okay
What do you mages have
Mage
So I
I think a weakness of mages is they're not gonna have improved counterspell. They can't. They need to get dint.
I mean, there's no way they play RK and they have to get cold snap, right?
I think it's just deep all the way a hundred percent frost.
So you get improved frost bolt, that's a given. You get frost bite.
You probably want permafrost. You need critical strike of ice shards. You need ice block. You need shatter, cold snap.
This is level 30 you have five points left you take Iceland to take fingers of frost
Maybe improve Nova from there
You need to reach where's reach oh, yeah, here we go increase the range yep, this might be the build for me just pretty fucking easy
Yeah, that's the mage build. I don't see anything else competing with it
Wand no mages. Yes, they have a wand, but they don't have any self-healing
Their strength is being able to poly and reset and then just go again
And they just start they get their frost bolts off. They just start pummeling damage. They get a cool down poly reset
It's just it's just really strong goes over and over but again in typical tournaments like this
They tend to limit how much water you have so that the duels don't last forever because there's too many duels to go through
Right mages get kind of nerfed by tournament rules a lot. We don't know what the tournament rules are going to be though
So they might have limited resets
You're at level 35. Yo my god. I'm an idiot. Oh
All right, let's keep listening now
Let's do I guess it yeah, okay, let's see let's do rogue. Yeah, I don't know where's he gonna put rogue actually
Let's do freeze. I'll put priest it asked here. He just wanted this. Yeah, it's disgusting personal opinion feeling is that
Priest is absolutely cracked
Like with how much damage we're seeing wands do which how much recovery preset on when did he make this video?
Wands did get nerfed
They did get nerfed. Wands were scaling with Spell Power until the most recent patch.
They don't scale with Spell Power anymore. But they're still fucking good. It's still insane.
The combo to be able to dish out legit damage while having 100% mana regen
is what makes Priest so strong. And Warlock. Warlock, you dot people and you just want.
It's free damage and you've got a hundred percent mana regen and priests also have a wand talent making the damage higher
It's just it writes itself here with how much damage they have with how much range they have
The mana regen is good. They've got offensive dispel. They could play shadow or they could play disc
I think they'll end up mostly playing disc
Mm-hmm. I think this is a very very very strong fuck. Do I even want to look at the priest talents?
I'm not even thinking about what they get. I just know that inherently self healing plus wand is insane. That's that's it. Oh
God, it's gonna make me sad. Okay wand damage snag it instantly
Your smite and penance. I don't think you ever press those buttons. So I think you care more about twin disciplines buffing your instant dots
Reduces the duration of stun fear and silence effects
Do you care about silent resolve? There's no blanket silence and Warlocks also have a blanket silence. Maybe for shamans you care?
Oh my god, they have penance. Oh my god, I thought that was- I thought pow-
I'm gonna say it. I feel like penance should be down here in replace power infusion. They should swap these. I'm gonna say it.
to say it, but I guess the 3rd turn of it doesn't really fucking matter.
Uh, let's see.
No it shouldn't.
No.
Just again, focus casting, prevent you from losing cast time when taking damage, increase
your resistance by 40%, by 20%.
I don't know if you care about modern DOM.
Honestly, I think you max out twin disciplines and then you get improved power with shield.
You take Inner Focus, you take Meditation, you will still be casting every now and then.
Chance to hit with Holy Spells?
I don't think you care about your Holy Spells landing.
I don't know if you actually cast.
Okay, reduce the mana cost of instant cast spells, that's valuable.
Oh my god, they have mana burn, holy fuck.
Are Shadow Priest any good in forever?
They are, but you don't play them here.
Not in the dual tournament. This is a whole different ballgame we're talking about.
I mean, you might go sh- no, pen- do you take penance? Yeah, you probably do.
I have to see how much healing this does for the mana cost.
I think for the mana cost penance might be insane. I don't know
You need blackout, I don't know if you need blackout
Maybe
Increase your intelligence so you take this this is level 30 you have five points and then you take blackout
You fucking take it all look at this
You don't care about reducing the weak and soul like you're not gonna get rushed down. You have fear you just fear him off you
Like the real goal here is to stretch out your mana and just want people and then heal and
A lot of classes don't have tools in this game to do insane damage yet and everyone's gonna have insane HP
I'm looking at shadow to see if they go shadow and said obviously Hydra would know better
than really most anyone else.
You could take the silence but again you're just going to out mana people and for the
classes that you aren't trying to out mana silence is pointless so you don't need this
first a rogue or a hunter or any of that.
mind one bubble absorbs a full set of warlock dots. Yeah. Well the good news is, uh, well
I don't know if it's good news. Do warlocks have a purge with fel hunter? Yes or no? Cry
baby chance through it isn't that bad you're right do they so if I was a good
priest I would be mindful of that and I would do rank one buffs before power
word shielding because otherwise the fell hunters just gonna remove the power
would shield every single time you would need to have a binding for like rank one
something or maybe rank one renew just as a trash buff to try and get purge not
at 30 you won't have fell hunter at 30 I thought you just don't get the kick at
30
but I was at level 50 they have it at 30 but they don't have the silence yeah I'm
not time with the silence. When do Warlock Pets get Purge in classic? Wow. At level 30
when you first learn it. Okay, so they will have Devour Magic.
That's a good idea.
Inner fire, Inner fire is not purgeable. Rank 1 Fort and Fade should cover purge. Yeah, Fade too.
Twilight Focus can be really good to have as well. I'll be honest. I don't know if you care about Pennants, guys.
It's just a button you don't want to press very often.
It's just it just interrupts your casting you'd rather just
Spam power word shield and just keep wanting and keep dots up and then just don't cast for a long time
And I guess penance can really top you off. Yeah versus hunters. You probably want it. Yeah, you probably want it
Maybe you just don't take blackout then
Twilight focus can be really fucking good
Or actually you just powerward shield and then you pen it so you don't care about this
You just powerward shield and then you have no interruption on your penance and then you don't cast again for 50 seconds
Hmm
Which pre-stratial you think is gonna be played
Undead
To stretch out their mana they can sack HP for mana, right?
That's that's the name of the game. I think
Troll I don't think so
I think shadow guard is
really good
But it's not necessary because the classes that you will struggle with don't care
About shadow guard
Hydra's making a troll then maybe I'm missing something, but what about for a level 30 duel tournament?
you're forgetting the 20% MS that's a good point they do get a 20% MS that's
gonna I think Hydra knows this is probably gonna come down to priest
versus priest so he's taking the 20% MS that's all it fucking matters man
God. Yeah. Look at Discipline Close Shadow Hybrid meditation in Mind Flay and Blackout.
Mind Flay fucks over your mana. A lot of you are not understanding that pressing buttons
is a misplay. You don't want to press buttons unless you have to. It just stops your mana
region. That's all it does. Just wand. Wanding is damage and your mana stays at 100% region.
So Mind Flay fucks you. You don't press this. Sounds boring. It is. This is a level 30 duel
tournament. It ain't balanced. It's garbage, but that's what we're doing. I think TIPS wants
do a real level 60 dueling tournament but we're just doing the level 31 for fun
and to hype up the game I guess that was what he said so yeah it is stupid as
fuck I just had one got nerfed no it got fixed anyways
they get pen and I want to hear what he says about Rogue has a really long range
there's lots of damage you get mana burn like I don't know man I like on mage I'm
I'm trying to imagine the wind condition. Also, priests can, they get silenced too. They'll have silenced if they play Shadow.
They're not going to play Shadow.
I don't know.
I think there's maybe a chance a mage could be the priest if you get Lucky Crits, Hunters as well, if you get Lucky Crits, Shaman as well, if you get Lucky Crits, and Rogue also.
That's why I put these, these four are in S tier. I'm sorry, these four are in A tier because I think they can maybe be the priest if you get Lucky.
But I think if you are a priest and you duel a mage, a rogue, a shaman, or a hunter, like...
Actually, I think shaman might be the most difficult thing for a priest to fight.
Out of all of those. I think...
Like if you duel a mage ten times, you're probably gonna win eight times, you duel a hunter,
you're probably gonna win nine times out of ten if you duel a rogue. I'm not sure. Like rogue?
Rogue probably has a better chance than that.
So we're on a horde so all the rogues are gonna play undead right so the priest is gonna fear the rogue the rogue is gonna
Undead racial and it really comes down to can the rogue kill the priest before fear is up again
That's what it comes down to
I think it's possible. How much damage did they do? I don't know. Rogues do a lot of damage right now.
I think they do do a lot of damage, but I think people underestimate how much stamina people will have in a dual-turning.
and the other thing is engineering so i think people are gonna have sapper
charges
is in a dual like uh... priest rogue is a good matchup where sapper charge also
hurts you
but also hurts the priest
but that's okay because you don't care
as a rogue it really just comes down to killing them before fear is up again
uh...
so sapper charge might be a benefit i could see a reality where
you do all the priest
uh... he fears you you will forsaken
Uh, you do tons of cheap kidney, sapper charts, blow the priest up, duals over.
Second dual, cause it's best out of three.
Will of the Saken is off cooldown.
Or is on cooldown, so priest fears you and the priest wins the dual, that's the end of it, GG.
Dual number three.
Same thing, rogue overall wins, best of three, right?
I could see that.
You can't learn goblin energy at 30?
Oh, so there is no sapper.
Okay, well, maybe Rogue's just fucked.
I didn't know that.
Are warriors gonna have their whirlwind axe?
They are.
Warriors will do a lot of damage.
Uh...
I do think they might still be D-tier.
I can only speak for Druid vs. Warrior matchup, and here's how it plays out.
I
Open up with moon fire from really far away the warrior intercepts to me I
cast natures grasp
he
Uses his engineer. What is it spider belt has a 30 minute cooldown to break the natures grasp and then I just go travel form and run away
And I run faster than him and he has no intercept anymore and that's it
That's the end of the duel.
No intercept, we'll have intercept.
I get it at level 30.
You can charge and intercept.
No, because that's why I would open with a moonfire from really far away.
I'll have improved, no I won't have improved range.
The Druid talents look like this.
And it's still, I'm not sure exactly what you're gonna do,
because I don't know the pacing of the game,
but this is really defensive.
Like I might have to go balance
so that I can actually damage priests,
and which means I wouldn't even have Swiftman.
But then I lose to all rogues,
and I'd honestly probably start losing to warriors.
Take a point away there.
Yeah
Like this is hyper defensive, I just don't think you can play this you sack too much damage I
Just I'll do no damage now
Spider belts level 31. There's a belt and wailing caverns. It does the same thing. That's level 16
Do you have dual spec if we have dual spec that changes a lot
Yeah, that's a big buff to a lot of classes.
RLT, full fury, full zug.
So what happens when you open on the priest and you're like,
I'm on a thistle, but they fear you in the first global?
Now what?
Resistant, yep.
Uh, yeah, dual specs level 40, so this might be what Druids have to play.
Uh, if you take away NS...
Honestly, Fuhrer could be good because it helps versus priests a lot.
to compete against wand so you need to try and get a lot of free damage with cat form
and then it gives you it's basically like
wanding essentially it just costs a lot of mana to enter the form then you get
nature's reach I guess moon glow oh you would probably want to get improved
gods and see now I have to sack swift mend
and now I'm gonna start sacking reflection so I'm not gonna have that
either
oh I guess I do have reflection still no there's level 38 yeah I have to sack
three points now look at that it's just not looking so hot and I don't really
gain any damage versus priest either
yeah it's just shit you have to go deep balance or resto you need reflection
you need this you might as well you might as well go farther into resto at
this point and just deep commit and then you get five points and improve wrath in
case you are gonna blast people and this is the build I just don't see anything
else being good yeah maybe more points and fewer could be good honestly max to
get out so you have full energy when you do shift into cat form could be all
right
but nature's focus is really good as well you keep going for level 35 talents
that's crazy you're really smart and good and talented and really perceptive
either way Hunter and mage so I think if you are a priest in this tournament
you're most afraid of rogues and shaman would be my guess and then everything
else I think you'll probably be pretty consistently a good mage I think well
like a good tactical mage I think will be difficult for a priest too but I think
they should win more often than not but this is classic anything can happen
Shouldn't the warrior be defriest? Nah, no shot.
And the reason why the warrior doesn't be defriest is because you don't get rage from shields.
They don't get rage with shields. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.
You don't quit your attack. You don't get any rage.
I just don't get rage, period.
Does mage eat rogue? Mage should eat rogue.
Mage can probably eat rogue, but I'm not... I don't know.
I think it's really hard to call exactly just because we don't know how much damage is going to be available.
Exactly, I don't know what we're going to be dealing with, but when I've thought about this extensively and talked to some of my, you know, my colleagues,
It's praised.
And fellow duelers, this is like, I feel like fairly accurate to the classes that are going to do well.
I agree with this list. As of now, this is what it does look like.
Alright, let's hear Ziko.
I think it should be moved up.
Hold on, Ziko is putting through an AT.
I think you can beat everything as a druid, except priests.
I think a boomkin actually can do... Maybe boomkins should be moved up.
No, not boomkin. You have to play Resto.
Boomkin just dies.
I think druid should be... I think druid maybe should be moved up.
I think Druid beats Rogue. I think Druid can be a Hunter.
I don't know if Druid beats Rogue. It's iffy. It really comes down to can I CC the Rogue off of me?
And in a prepped tournament where the Rogue knows they're going against a Druid,
and they are probably going to get the Belt from Wailing Caverns that removes an Impairing Effect.
And then they, I don't know what spec Rogue's going to play. Are they going to go improve Sprint?
Are they going to get prep? They're probably going to get one or the other, in which case I think Rogue wins.
You're the hard counters mage that's true usually it was warlocks that fuck you but with low fear range
Maybe you can beat a warlock
Maybe you lose the warlocks. I think I think I can potentially beat locks. I think I beat locks I
Think we keep them down
He really thinks druids a tier okay a shaman beats druid
I think Druid can beat Locke. I think Druid can beat Warrior. I think Druid might be able to beat Rogue. It's 50-50, you have to see.
Druid beats Mage.
Druid might beat Paladin, depends on the pacing. Druid loses to probably everything else on the list, and it's...
I don't think it's really even a comparison. Druid loses to Shaman, Druid loses to Hunter, and Druid loses to Priest.
Druid might lose to Rogue, might lose to Paladin,
might lose to Warlock, but Druid definitely beats Mage.
might even lose now probably beats warrior who knows we'll have to wait and
see you shouldn't think about yourself so the higher skill player like Pika or
Zaru could pull it off on a druid you're right you're right I suck anything
else on that dual tourney
How does Druid lose to Shaman?
Because if you cast Regrowth, they just purge it.
Sure, you get the instant heal, but the value you gain out of Regrowth is now halved because
of purge.
And if you try and cast a Healing Touch, they earth shock you.
And Healing Touch is such a long cast time that they're probably going to earth shock
it again.
And you have no other...
I guess you can rejuve and you can swift mend.
I've never had that before, so maybe Druid does beat Shaman now.
Especially with the reduced GCD, they won't be able to purge it quick enough.
Assuming they're in a global.
What it's gonna...
You know what it's gonna turn into?
This is gonna be autistic.
If I'm going against a really good shaman, the shaman is going to make sure they stay off GCD.
In other words, they'll know that I'm trying to go for a rejuve Swiftman, right? So they're
going to be spamming Purge even though I have no hots. And as soon as I put up a rejuve,
they're going to purge it so that I can't Swiftman because Swiftman is a .5 GCD with the talent.
So what that's going to turn into is I'm going to start using rank one rejuves
so that I bait them to purge a rank 1 rejuve, which means they lose more mana than I lose.
And then I'm going to shuffle in an actual max ranked rejuve for an actual swiftment.
That's what that's going to turn into. So now we're going to get an add-on that can detect
what rank the rejuve is that I've put up. That way they don't waste mana.
shouldn't you always use rank 1 rejuve before swiftman? no because uh rejuve or swiftman
does healing based on how much the hot is going to be doing so if you swiftman to rank
1 rejuve it'll heal up for fucking jack shit rank 1 purge I don't think that's how that
works I'll take this wand if you got one back sure
You won't spam in beta because you can't cast even though there's nothing to purge.
Can you purge while there's nothing to purge?
I didn't know that.
That's a big nerf to Shaman then.
Thank you for the wand, dog.
I appreciate that.
T.Y.
I see.
Purge and purge.
And you lose mana so they can purge nothing.
I appreciate the wand.
purge and purge and you lose mana so they can purge nothing I appreciate the
wand let me go sell also what is this one give to spell damn okay I need that
linden shit though all right I pretty much just jerked off on stream long
enough I need to run room actually no I should keep
questing let's get level 14 and then I gotta run RFC
yeah all right for ox head centaur bracers prouler claws let's do prouler
Claw's and Centaur Racers. Funny enough, the wand is cheaper in the auction house than
it is vendor price by 35 copper. There's a fifth... Wow. They're selling the wands in
the auction house for cheaper than if they were to simply just vendor it. That is a lot
of players on autopilot is what that is. You can literally just buy them and vendor them.
I would say classic players are also stupid. I think people like saying retail or classic
players are like bad or stupid because it makes them feel superior in some way
but the reality is is people are stupid and I don't really care where it is
they're all these people are dumb
and that's fine
can you put your sunglasses on I can't see you want me to lower the brightness
Thoughts on how bad warriors are right now?
Yeah, that's a tough one.
I think warriors should be stronger.
They need to normalize rage generation.
Simple as that.
Not normalize.
It already is normalize.
They need to do something for warriors rage,
and I don't know what exactly.
fuck warriors they had their spotlight see that's a really stupid sentence and
that's honest I've kind of see that's a problem inherently with the community I
think they're just have a lot of pent-up anger and they want to make the game
suffer so they feel better in this brief moment and that thank God you're not a
developer holy fuck
He might be maybe he is
You watch the peeka versus no hit your own PvP last night I did not know
But I mean and I think all the warrior players understand exactly why rage had to be normalized
It had to be and I don't think anyone with fucking
Any level of understanding of the game disagrees. It's just a little cooked right now, especially while leveling
While already being a class with minimal self-healing and
It's just it's a struggle
So I feel for warriors and I feel for druids, but obviously people are tired of hearing me say it
But druids also got completely shafted with the rage normalization because the only way to level a druid is bear form
So Druid's also got shafted.
Sucks.
And then you got the people saying, one through 20 doesn't matter.
It does, and you're stupid, it's annoying.
It's literally the first impression of every person who comes to this game.
It does matter.
It's not going to be par- it's never going to be perfectly balanced, but the gap at
which I see the classes have right now can be trimmed without affecting Endgame or anything
like that.
It can be immensely shrunk.
And people shutting down that conversation are terrible for the game.
Why does it matter?
Uh, because the gap is so big that it feels, it just feels bad.
It feels really bad.
Uh, Ferral, for example, though, inherently will always be a better leveling spec because of the movement speed gain you can gain from the talent tree.
Balance is not gonna have that, and that's fine.
Uh, Shamans right now have to play as enhancement.
Auto attack, like, Shamans don't have a wand.
So, auto attacking with a weapon is probably gonna be better for mana.
Uh, it's free damage, essentially.
You're not gonna beat that.
But you shouldn't be doing negative damage with lightning bolt.
Negative.
The fact that Ellie is worse than it was in classic era is crazy.
That's how balance is too. That's a problem with casters in that area.
Even with gear, you're just worse.
And then you got these warriors shutting down that conversation because they're just all focused on their class, but a lot of class are struggling.
Like warlocks are always probably going to be the better levelers because just having
a pet, same with hunters.
Hunters get a movement speed increase and they have a pet.
It's just going to inherently make them way better.
But there are some classes you could definitely bring up a bit without fucking them, fucking
up the game in the endgame or making them too strong in dungeons.
There's things you can do, I'm sure.
Woyers just mad that they aren't S++++ anymore.
Again, you annoy me. I think you have a lot of pent-up anger and need therapy or something.
Woyers have always been the worst leveling class in the game.
You're thinking about endgame. We're not even thinking about that.
And I, again, the discussion that low-level doesn't matter, I just strongly disagree. It does matter.
It's about the journey, except when it comes to nerfing my class or buffing them for leveling. Again, it's not about the journey anymore.
What the fuck up? It does matter.
They already gutted pre-slevelling with wand nerfs.
Did they gut it?
I feel like pre-slevelling is really fucking strong still.
It's the same as it's always been, yes.
It's not going to be as strong as Hunter, it's not going to be as strong as Warlock.
Just not gonna, but it's strong.
You got self healing, you've got insane wand damage which is damage for free.
So you pretty much go in, you dot something and then you wand it.
And you have infinite sustain like that almost.
This is crazy what I'm doing right now.
Wanting shit Jesus
But what the heck my fear not go off
Oh, oh, that's a health pot
And I am horrible at this class and this is insane
And then I can cannibalize as crazy as well.
I notice while leveling.
If you're going through like a bunch of humanoids, cannibalize is so fucking good.
The fact that you can normalize your health and like equalize it with Lifetap and then
cannibalize gives you health and mana, you can almost guarantee a hundred percent value
of Undead cannibalize so strong.
Troll is even better.
No, I think the cannibalize is overall more value considering it gives mana and health.
I guess Troll can be used anywhere, so there's the value there.
But that's just for leveling stuff, you know.
Jeez. Control can keep moving? No, they can't move while doing it.
Ah, I need more Shentar breakers.
It's channeled. Yeah
Canoblides on humanoid's only humanoid's only that's why I said a humanoid camp
It's just really good
Nice I think I have a coal car key don't I I do I can open that chest up there
and
cannibalizes a two minute CD
pretty short
and
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and
and
and Spoker.
Poker is not for another like five and a half hours bro. It's a hot minute from now.
I haven't used it once with my priest. Well, maybe you should start spending more mana.
health region for control normalize or is it tick based for the racial it's
tick based I think it's not like a slow steady it's it's kind of like cannibalize
where it ticks
and someone tell me which recent class to play I can't play well without someone
telling me how to play there was actually a reddit post of some guy and he
was just give me a brief description of you and let me tell you what class you
should play. I thought it was a pretty interesting read. It was fun. When I was
like, I'm a stoner. Troll shaman. It was fun. I love Taco Bell. I'm dead
priest random shit like that
a little bit of a drain soul here
you're gay and a femboy you'll gain druid
there was one guy who said he was like
extremely gay and he did I think he did say night elf druid
What was it? I think it was human male priest. I don't think it was Druid. Would wands get
worse at higher levels? They do, as they should. Wanding, I guess, is kind of just a crutch
for low levels to have an easier time with how much little how little mana they have
that's kind of an end game it's supposed to be damage assuming your oom completely tapped
it's not supposed to be a main form of dps uh but funnily enough it does stay a main form of dps
for a lot longer than i think it should i don't know how you fix it it's just part of the game i guess
around 40ish you stop using wands unless you're oom
yeah that's when priests get shadow form
it's probably a big deal
yeah
power infusion doesn't really change much
i think you still wand is it discreased
some suck from
to victory
All right, let's go turn in prowlers and I think I'm 14 and then it's an RFC angle
How do you feel about the wrath buff that came I'm noticing kind of a big difference thoughts are you I?
Haven't really played my druid because it's pointless
I have to level another druid later, so I haven't really gotten to play around with it
but when I just looked at the number it went from
like
base damage without any spell power it went from about 40
It's a 50 rank 3 wrath
One to eight leveling is better. I could see that sure and I'll feel it when I level a druid
It's 50% more damage on wrath. No, it's not it's 50% more base damage of wrath. However
Wraths damage
Scales heavily all your damage now scales with spell power. So improving the base damage of wrath. It still doesn't do dick for damage
Very different, but I think a lot of people that just see big number 50%
They don't know what it actually means. They don't look into it much
Wow 50%
But new wrath is fine for 1 through 10 cool awesome. Well, you know what that's a good fix
Hopefully it's good enough. I haven't gotten to play it myself
First thing I notice is going from Rath rank 1 to rank 2 while leveling, you actually want
to use rank 2 now?
Do you?
Okay?
That's good.
Yeah, so to give you guys an idea, the scaling on Rath was kind of the same for rank 1 Rath
and rank 2 and rank 3.
The base damage of Wrath was so unbelievably low, that you didn't even care about it.
You just wanted your spell power, so you just used Rank 1 Wrath.
Even at max rank, you just used Rank 1.
It's better.
And it's also a third the mana, actually less than that.
I want to say one eighth the mana cost.
So you just used Rank 1.
I did not level.
That's cringe.
I'll kill four raptors really quick
Watching you spam rank one wrath and doles was kind of funny because it was better. It was more damage
Well, I don't think it was more damage. It was just mana efficient
Yeah, this is more optimal
Did anyone play test that shit? Well, we are right now
That's what this is
like it is completely cooked and then you start pointing out things like hey
this is really bad and people start getting upset motherfucker this is the
place to do it this is where you complain about how things are paid play
testing it kind of is I do think that in the modern world of gaming this is how
it just kind of has to be though. I would prefer we didn't have a beta. I really would.
I wish there was a team of a thousand people that play tested the fuck out of it in Blizzard.
And the game got tested that way internally. But that's just not how it is. I don't think
That's how it can be.
Let's get spam inviting.
Small indie company.
Yeah.
Maybe they could do that.
I would have preferred it.
It probably did. The beta is just a money grab. Maybe. I do think people see like a
million dollars for Blizzard and they think it's like a big deal, but they don't understand
a million dollars or honestly a lot of numbers in that ballpark range it's
actually fucking nothing to Blizzard for a company so I don't think they take
actual measures like that in I don't know how much they got how many players
there are in this playtest but it probably is a fucking drop I don't know
but the profit margins maybe maybe I'm wrong I'm just pointing out that I don't
think people they just see big number and then they realize they can't afford
groceries and they start venting about it but they don't understand that
Blizzard's a big fucking company they look at money a little different these
numbers are puny to them even though they make you sad and depressed the fuck
this guy's not ignoring and so what maybe it shows interest to investors that's
That's true, see that makes a lot of sense to me.
They gotta deal with investors and shit, it's AIDS, life's hard, whatever.
Either way, not gonna act like I understand the actual ins and outs.
I do wish there wasn't a beta, but it's kinda like I also wish early access wasn't a thing
in the world of gaming.
Early access is a plague, but I understand that everyone has to do it because now that's
the meta.
If they don't do it, the competitors do it.
And that's where we're at.
Like, people spend the money for it.
Early access isn't terrible.
It has its moments, but it's kind of an abuse system,
in my opinion.
And a lot of games tend to go early access, get their money,
and then start becoming shit.
And they never finish, because what's the point?
The game is so close to being done.
not enough is really going to be added to justifying
and things like that.
I think my ignore list is full.
How do I look at my ignore list?
I don't have an ignore list.
How does that work?
Oh, whoops.
I think this person is just spam logging in and out to different characters to be on stream.
Something Buzzer needs to fix.
Cause yeah, it's just going to be someone else doing it every other day.
Notice me.
Leotrix has a fix.
No, it's still a problem because it still makes an audible sound.
I'll show you in a second why Leotrix doesn't fix it.
The real fix to this is you need to be able to ignore an account, so when you ignore someone, it simply ignores their entire account.
That's the fix that needs to happen.
People that invite streamers are ill. They're a statistic. Statistically, someone is going to do it.
Attention's a resource, so it is what it is.
You know the person not the character exactly. Yeah
That's seeing any Raptors out here
RFC is there
Type slash ignore or the small window ignore this nasty now this guy doesn't talk about him. I'm gonna ignore again
I already told a dev about this, they know and I don't know when they'll actually add this but
Ignore this as the O then drop down upper right corner. Ignore this as the O drop down. I did this. Oh now it's here now. It's working
Interesting but didn't I have like 50 people ignored this morning or yesterday on this character?
Or maybe they delete spam deleting them. Oh, maybe
different character I was leveling this warlock on she missions the only character I played
and I remember getting spam invited the whole day yeah maybe it resets on log out the fuck
kind of design is that let's see here this guy's helping me limit test this see look
Stop ignoring how did he do this?
Weird no
Ignores reset every log in I have to ignore the same WLs in a day with their taxi shit
So watch this block
party invites
So we'll turn this on an LTP
You'll see what it does if this fucking freak wants to test it for me.
It's because Blizzard's new name system is bad. That could be it. The double name is a
new- it fucked over mailboxes for a pretty good amount of time, right?
Classic players not being annoying cringelords challenge level impossible.
It'd be the same on retail. The only difference is retail is you can ignore an
account. It's just people. Ignores reason every line I have to ignore the same WLs and trade
every day in their taxi shit. I can see it. Here we go. So here's the issue with LTP ignoring.
Little bit fucking annoying, isn't it? Now I'm gonna let this guy spam and maybe he'll
get some type of mute. Set to a new window. I'm still going to hear the audio. I can hide
system messages, but the audio still plays. Now I can control S that motherfucker, then
change tabs. But the only fix right now is to get in a group with someone else. That
That is the only current fix for streamers.
Sad violin.
I don't know how streamers will recover from this.
I'm still looking for raptors and I have not seen a single one.
Should I just give up?
I guess I'll get Ayachi's hide or whatever.
But I'm ready for RFC.
I think I have all the quests too.
Is this an edging playlist day or not?
I could do some edging.
I want to do some mosaic.
You think it's bad once you're level 14 you can just dungeon up to 20.
Yeah, I'm gonna RFC and I'm gonna run Wayland or Ruins and I'm gonna run Wayland Caverns
and I'm level 20.
I mean that's really what this is.
I know they said they want to nerf the dungeon loot but they need to also buff questing loot.
each zone when you if you fully quest the entirety of crossroads there should be a
quest at the end of it that gives you a decent weapon like a blue the one blue
they should nerf all the dungeon gear by a lot but if you finish crossroads you
got to really fucking spend some time and finish like it's deep questing hub
because right now you do it you're still gonna be walking around with a fucking
green or you're right let's start adding some reputation vendors I agree with
that little crossroads reputation some quarter masters so you reach a certain
level of honored by questing enough but if you're gonna buff things like
dungeons you gotta buff you got to keep them fair and balanced and all optimal
ways of playing otherwise you're forcing people to play a certain way right
now if you don't dungeon it feels bad you have to dungeon maybe that's a good
thing but love some question give them some gear for people that don't want to
actually dungeon at all I feel bad
I think I just took this guy's tag and now we can't summon it. I feel bad hang on
Get the tag gamer get the tag get the tag sir get your tag tag it does he not actually fucking care
It doesn't give a shit, okay?
You're like your pet stole it.
No, I don't think the pet counts as a tag, does it?
It does?
It doesn't seem like a real fucking person, I'll be honest.
So, whatever.
They added Ratchet Quartermaster.
You raging turbo lizard?
Ah.
What's that sound?
You had party invites off.
Well, unfortunate.
What do you mean?
Can you explain if I should be using delay weapons or different rogue police?
What?
be using the same delay weapons or different for rogue? Same speed? I think in all cases
you want slow weapons as a rogue. You want slow. Always. I don't think that's changed.
Alright, let's go to work. Fuck this raptor quest. Oh no, you do want a fast offhand,
But it's I don't think it's a big fucking deal. I think at this level you just care about DPS on your offhand
You just have what you have for your main hand. You do want to prioritize having a slow
Like if you have a 1.4 speed dagger offhand and then you get a cruel barb
Put the cruel barb on the offhand. It's 2.8 speed, but
You're gonna have a much better time leveling with that slow level
explain why.
Well, this is kind of a thing in the game. I'm talking to new WoW players, I guess.
A lot of attacks for, say, a rogue are instant attacks, and they're based not off your DPS off of your weapon damage.
So a slower weapon as higher weapon damage.
Sinister Strike is an instant attack. It bypasses the speed altogether and just instant weapon attacks.
So you want slow fucking weapons. On offhand you want a fast weapon because you'll get more poison applications
And that's ideal
It's just auto attacks. There's no spells that do an offhand thing
Now if you play mutilate
Mutilate is an attack that does both of your weapons now you want two slow weapons
But understanding that concept, you will understand what weapons are good at most times.
If you're playing Mutilate, yeah, you want two slows.
If you're not playing Mutilate, you want a fast offhand, and you want a slow mainhand.
You always want a slow mainhand.
But sometimes, let's say you have a really slow green sword, and then you loot like a
2.2 speed sword main hand, but it's blue and it's like really high DPS
You might want the DPS. You're just fucking questing man. You're still auto attacking, you know
And at that point fucking chat GPT it I don't fucking know it's gonna be hard to tell what's better
Well, it's gonna be laggy here. All right
Any gamers want to do some RFC?
Healer here, almost 13. Invite please. Alright. Got a warlock. Invite for our C, Hunter,
sure. I mean damn, 13 Shaman. You trying to tank, dog? 14 Warrior, DPS. Why don't you
tank. Huh? Why don't you try tanking?
Hold on.
We're full, all right.
Now I can share all these quests with you guys and at least you know share what I can
But one of them is a prerequisite.
Hopefully...
y'all grab that motherfucker.
Pfft.
Uuughh.
I think there's only four quests, right? Let me check the dungeon journal.
Quests.
One, two, three, four... Oh, I'm missing one.
Oh, it's inside RFC.
I
Curious comparing us or as you can take sex well. Wow. Do you have a preference or not bothered?
I don't really know shit about the tick meta of RuneScape, but I don't think tick should be a thing and wow
Now there was mana ticks when it came to drinking and that was fun, but it was like a minimal like sweaty PvP thing
But outside of any where and there's also energy ticks, but again, that's not I don't think comparable. I
Do miss energy ticks. I do miss water ticks
Like I think when it comes to your power bar, it should still be a tick rate rather than this continuous thing
My opinion not the biggest deal though
It is comparable. Okay. I don't know we're in skip that well
No, I didn't spend on level 14 point instant corruption.
What do I get next?
I feel like deep affliction is definitely the play, but do I get the hit rating or do
I get life tap?
Or improve drains?
No, I think I just wand.
I don't really drain life.
Yeah, I think I just max out suppression
and get that 5% hit rating.
And then amplify curse, and that's the build.
New Agrantree tweet about quest drops.
It occurred to me that I said, oh no, here we go, someone asked me earlier about how
quest drops in WoW forever and if we are changing that.
The short answer is no.
However, we did do something cool that we haven't really had a good opportunity to talk
about yet.
In the interest of our pro-social approach, we added a bit of under-the-hood functionality
to quest, to more predictability around robbing quest items to people who were grouped.
There's nothing worse than killing a million furlbogs and having one guy in your group
have 8 out of 10, but the other guy is 1 out of 10.
And wow, forever we've got something in place that makes it a bit more consistent that everyone
in the group will get drops evenly.
We are still dialing in the system, but if you are afraid to group on drop quests, I'd
encourage you to give it a try.
It's still going to take time, wait.
It's still going to take time, but like vanilla wow, but it'll be less of a feast for famine
and you'll definitely kill things much faster.
A bit of a grind on these drop quests are part of vanilla magic and we are maintaining.
But we can do smaller things to help it feel more natural and encourage grouping while
still maintaining the original design.
And that's our goal.
So I thought if you grouped up, the entire group can loot, say, a prowler claw.
But I guess that's not how it works.
I mean to me that change means nothing like I've questioned and leveled with Viki and
every single variation of the game and
I don't really give a fuck who gets the drop it doesn't like sometimes she'll call dibs on everything and she'll get 10 out
Of 10 while I'm literally zero out of 10. It doesn't matter
Yeah, I'm still I'm still gonna have to farm 10
It doesn't matter. I'll tell her, but like, that's babe, you're done. Anyways, help me
kill 10 more. I don't care. It doesn't matter to me. So it looks like that doesn't actually
mean anything. With randoms, it's a good change. Okay, true. With randoms, it is a good change.
I'll welcome it. But I do think it does make leveling, like, questing together still shit.
I agree that I don't know if group, like, dropping, like, if you need Prowler Claws,
it's for the whole group.
I don't know if that being a thing is ideal, because then the meta is going to be to never
quest by yourself.
It'll make group questing too fast, but I wish they could have, like, a client side
where sometimes it drops for you.
Sometimes it can drop for both.
but it not always. Maybe that'd be like a compromise.
Like basically it's just you. Maybe that would still make questing of the group
so iffy. You already kill faster in a group. Yeah, but you get less group XP.
Obviously you'd start questing faster and with the increased abundancy in
quests, it'd probably be the meta to quest group, or group quest.
It's not a higher drop rate, it's just that little round robin.
Yeah, I know.
That's why his tweet doesn't mean anything.
It'll take just the same amount of time.
It's good for randoms.
So let's just say you're with a random fucking guy and you're
collecting raptor heads and the random guy you grouped with got
12 and you got terrible RNG.
But now the guy just left.
He's done, so he's just ditching you.
Great.
Cool.
That's the only change to me that makes sense here.
Now that's not gonna be the case.
That's what they fixed moron.
Dude, you are so fucking dumb.
It's infuriating.
I fucking know.
That's what I'm ex-
D-
I know I'm explaining what it means and how it plays out. Oh my god
I'm gonna stop fucking talking
Jesus Christ brain dead
brain dead
Is it a lack of social skills is it rage bait is it a language barrier or is it intelligence barrier?
I have no idea at this point. I can't tell
One guy no a lot of people were typing the same shit one guy said that's what he's just explained
It's not one guy. It's like fucking ten of you. Are y'all even looking at the chat?
It's a bunch of fucking idiots. All of the above. It's baffling.
Dude, something is vibrating on my desk. I don't know.
Waiting on this warrior to get here.
You see how Blizzard isn't actually doing horizontal progression?
Some horizontal elements are good.
They're doing a mix and match of both.
Which makes sense, um, I just worry, like, what are they, this is probably three years
down the line, but what happens when the numbers get too much?
Cause they will.
We do a fucking stat squish.
And again, how do you make the game fun and interesting with only horizontal progression?
I mean, I guess you can do that with professions, but I don't know, I feel like it's tough.
Alright, here we go.
But I need to train Warlock spells.
I spaced out.
There's a Warlock trainer right outside.
current I've been trained in like fucking multiple levels here brah I know I'm stupid
lucky for me he's literally right here if he'll load give it a second or where is he
Actually is he uh over here maybe?
Here he is. I knew there was in this room somewhere. Demon trainer.
All right, drain life, I'll put his R. Yeah, that's fine.
Curse of recklessness, bind that to Y, health funnel.
Shift X is fine.
God, I cannot be an Org, it is so laggy.
Alright, corruption rank 2.
Alright.
Curse of weakness rank 2.
Chatabult rank 3.
I think demons can rank 2. I already have that. Alright, we're good.
Well, let's go ahead and reset the meters.
Oh, mechanical squirrel.
Let's see if I can come anywhere close to competing with hunters.
Maybe I should bring out an impa.
Actually hold on.
Do I have any books for...
Nope.
books for void walker. You can tap all you want. Alright, noted.
All right, so maybe I don't want, if I'm going to be able to tap all I want, maybe I actually
start throwing some bolts out.
Is Agony even worth it?
Well, I'm gonna make it worth it
Gonna make this fucking tanks life a living hell
Just a couple extra
Heal me now. Oh fuck
Yeah, I might actually die here
Okay, that's a health pot.
Okay, I won't do that anymore.
Sorry, priest. I just really wanted to attempt to top the meters. I won't do that anymore. I won't do that anymore.
Tap all you want guys. All right. That's my bad
You were um, okay, it's fine
You were low mana on that pool. All right, so what you're saying is I can do that again
That's what I'm hearing.
I mean is it really worth it because I just I feel like it's actually faster to do easy
clean pools and let the hunters literally just do all the work.
just have easy threat and just want things. You fuck everyone else's damage. Yeah, exactly.
So I'm just gonna be a good boy and I guess I don't even curse a Vagany. It's not worth.
the fact that it's rank 1.
It's emulate worth it? No, I don't think emulate's worth it either.
Yeah, I'm just gonna wand. This is my life.
We need to go this way, gamers.
excellent well you're completely tapped now it's poor tank feel bad for him yeah
what can he do I'm gonna have his weapon skill up
Maybe he's leveling his prod, who knows.
Got a green bow on this hunter.
Damn.
This motherfucker's got a blue crossbow.
Hello?
What are you even running this place for again? You're done! You must have ran it!
For fun? Ah, right. I forgot we played the game for that.
Okay fire shield actually does some damage by the way it's doing five reflect pretty fucking
good for an imp.
was a cloak in wailing caverns nerf the cloak in wc nerfed show overall I mean
it's gonna be hunters I mean I'm in a group of two hunters man and they're
talented and skilled and the best auto attackers in the game
I need to turn on the um, there's a setting I need to turn on here like I might be able
to just do it here options nameplates uh personal debuffs oh hey crossbow for the other hunter
Grats Gamer.
You ever gonna play League again? Probably at some point.
So what could have dropped?
He could have dropped a healing mace for the priest. Unfortunate.
Or a fist weapon.
Damn, the tank would have loved this. The fuck a fist weapon early, huh?
Kinda cool.
What do you mean unfortunate? Best case scenario? Uh, true. I guess you needed that fucking bow.
It's pretty good for you, isn't it? I think that bow might actually be best for you until
Uh, Venom Shrike.
Venom Shrike doesn't exist, sadly. Oh, does it not?
3rd kill, I got mine, you know.
If I was just, as a streamer, when I level my hunter, I'm going to find a bunch of druids
and rogues that want to do fang farming of the last boss.
I'm gonna have them stealth to the final boss, I'm gonna sit at the fucking bottom and wait
for them to kill it, and then I'll need roll the bow if it drops, and they can have the
boots.
So I fucked that.
Okay, I might even want the boots.
I gotta look to see, I think the 10 intellect is good as a hunter, since you get 100% AP
with int.
You do want an intellect stack, it's important.
I think the Fang stat's really good.
But I don't know what pieces you want to wear and what pieces you don't.
I think the chest is bad because it gives spirit and strength.
But boots are six and six.
Boots, legs, and gloves.
The gloves seem awful too because they also give strength. I think strength is
are worthless that for hunter in comparison I think belts maybe you want to wear four
piece I have to look the thing said it's pretty fucking good though legs are
good
Yeah
well don't use bane it's not worth it it's worth it if I get the full value and
look Bane is about to run out I got the full value I understand how it works
gamer it's worth it that's a hundred deeper a hundred and three damage for one
second at GCD that's more value
Now, right here I should not have bane.
Because this fucker's dead.
You're right.
There.
But I also have infinite mana.
See, on this motherfucker I'm going to start banning shit instantly because they'll actually
get the full value out of it. How much damage does drain life do you? Probably less damage
than my wand, right? I don't think I fucked with that.
I'm pulling them all, sorry, my bad, I shouldn't be doing this.
My bad, my bad's on me.
Imagine having to heal this.
You're coming from someone who heals dungeons a lot.
I do enjoy that, uh...
I really don't have to fucking do anything most of the time, it's really easy.
But I prefer a group that actually stretches my mana thin and clears the dungeon faster.
now tanking a different story but as long as we're not dying I don't fucking care
do damage.
Okay, well my threat's about to be cooked.
oof, spooky, little cannibalized, look at the value of this shit.
and combat cannibalizes nutty I saw a clip of a pallet and bubbling and then cannibalizing
mid combat. Pretty fucking sick. I think that's pretty cool. Crazy tech, yup.
Pretty good Cape
Make sure you loot the heart
Wow, look at those feet. I'll need that pattern. I'm a tailor
Kind of gears the tank have oof shit
Yeah, if the warrior needs I let him have it. It's strength. It's a definite
warrior angle here if he wants it. And he should take it.
Yeah, let the warrior have that. It's not even a debate here.
Oh, what the fuck, a greed roll? What are you doing? Why aren't you needing on that?
Yeah, give it to him. Well, that's just a misplay on your end, dude.
Fuck, I'm so used to corruption being bound to four. I'm so getting used to corruption
being 3 and 8, Agony being 4, or vice-versa.
Wait till you get Hellfire. You don't get Hellfire at 20, do you?
Didn't change it? No, I think I prefer getting used to it like this.
I think it's better.
Did he used to it rain of fire at 20? Okay
I don't think they'll wait to drop hardcore.
I don't know.
I actually want them to drop it later.
I think on their timesheet it was like three or four months into the game.
I'd rather they drop it a year into the game actually
Why once hardcore comes out it kind of
It changes everyone's perspective of the game in a negative way when it comes to like
The normal game is now kind of just like whatever dude you're playing normal game
Hardcore is where the real gamers are right?
That's kind of the mindset a lot of people enter and I think that's not good to have early on
Okay, we're doing a big pool here
Little spooky, I will lie.
And these hunter pets are just tanking out here, huh?
When's tips gonna announce we can make a new mains for the dual journey I want to play I don't know
I'm I literally can't play a druid until it's announced. I agree. I don't know
Tomorrow it might be tomorrow
But truth be told it's not gonna change much the real grind. There's two grinds to the tournament
Actually, no, there's really just one grind legacy talents
Everything else is just going to kind of be somewhat of a, I guess your main profession, like engineering trinkets and stuff like that are a big deal, but you can't really start that until 30.
That's when the engineering gets kind of crazy.
Yeah, maybe they'll just ban legacy talents, that might be the case.
So you played yourself doing druid first yeah, I fucking did I only did I level drew it on alliance
But then I leveled a drew it on horde and it was just pointless
Let me see how much train life does.
Oh, it's healing for 12.
That's a pretty good amount.
It's not bad.
Ooh, little robe of evocation.
Minus two spell damage though.
Priest, you can have it, Gamer.
All yours.
It's better for you.
I'm a warlock.
I like everybody's spell damage and stamina. Everything else doesn't matter.
Doesn't it give spell power? Nope.
Nope.
Your dots can crit now. Yes, with that intelligence, I will be missing out on .01% crit chance on my dots.
I hope I can recover.
I really do.
Spirit works for locks and spirit tap.
I will be in dungeons all the way to level 20 and I will have a healer.
I'm right. I'm right.
I'm giving that to the priest. It's no question. The value of that chest is minimal.
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Nor the whisper guy
Rich streamer you have so much money your life is having my life is so bad my life is held you think that's fair
Chad the streamer isn't your friend. He's a well-lit product. You are the product to this guy is a genius
He's he's whoa
This guy's got it figured out. All right, stop existing row, please
I feel like you just woke me up to the world.
The Matrix.
See it all.
Alright, stop whispering to me, I'm just going to hide that tab, let me rename this.
Don't listen to me, or you go in the loser tab.
It's flashing.
I framed.
Did you get drops from orcs?
I don't know if there are any drops for the orcs so we don't care.
I'm a psychopath.
I pulled more.
Good luck tanking.
A little bit of warlock tanking, pretty much.
He can just taunt his threat, freezes enough mana, bosses are a joke, hit it.
Maybe I should be cursive wrecking for the hunters, huh?
Probably good damage for them.
Ooooooooh.
I will be need rolling this here, dagger.
I don't know if it's better than the staff though that you get from the quest.
I'm not sure, but I feel like the instant dots might...
It's weird.
On the dot application I see the target for 2-4 damage.
So do I care about that, or do I care about the 8 spell power dip of the two handed staff?
It might actually be pretty good. Check your dungeon journal crest reward.
I know, you get the, um...
Where is staff of or- wait, where is it? Hello?
It doesn't show.
I actually don't think that weapon is good for you.
I think you genuinely go staff.
I'm not just trying to like get you to pass.
I think you, like I think you just mainly wand.
That's RFC, is it, really Kevin's?
Maybe alright.
Sir, my dagger. What's going on? Who's not who's who has not rolled here?
Bob's or is he what is he checking with the fucking guild here?
I wait slash loot
This is fucking waiting on everyone. What's going on? Oh
Just messin mother fucker had to wait here
All right, we put that on sick fucking dagger. So yeah on our harmful spell casts here the target for two to four damage. I
Mean it's actually just plus two damage to every
Cast obviously it won't take per dot application, but I do like double dot every mob
There's no off-hands, maybe there maybe I can auction house one with spell damn I think I can
Only cast not dots the application of the dot will do it
But yeah, I won't fucking plus two every dot tick would be stupid
Do you wish region with server tick base?
I prefer server tick base, yes.
I think it adds a level of depth that doesn't take away from anything, in my opinion, but
a level of fun depth.
Ziko says mage is their dog shit, are they really that bad?
In what?
In what, like what are we trying to do here?
Level 20?
Again, people like Ziko and a handful of others, I'm just going to be blunt, they're
probably better at the game than you and to a lot of surface level like new
wow players they can't fathom that a lot of wow players can foresee how the game
is gonna be just by looking at the future talents and looking at the spells
you gain at the class trainer that's like for you know it's gonna be gear
might change some stuff but I don't think it's gonna change it that much so a
lot of people kind of know what it's gonna look like endgame people already
know what your rotation is gonna look like endgame it's that's a really
fucking easy to tell I think a lot of mage's are looking for a bit more
complexity in their rotation
Frames or Gamar is unplayable
Yeah, if y'all want to do the under city dungeon I am down
Fire mage going to be cut by immunity's and raid again. I
Hope not I don't know
I don't know where the community stands on that, but I personally wish all mage specs
are viable at all times.
Or maybe, fuck, as a mage main, it could be kind of fun being forced to play certain
specs.
And rather than Frost is the best, or Arcane's the best, it's always gonna be the best, it's
just the best.
Arcane, Arcane, and it's like, I kinda wanna be forced to play other stuff.
there's some fun to that but I'm not a mage main I don't think I'm the one to
speak on that
how did I grab that question my dude boss mage is MC is iconic well what
happens when you know the game is a horizontal progression right so you're
gonna need to go back to MC you just have to and to farm that and then you
got to go to this new frost dungeon or maybe some arcane dungeon you're like
well I've got this dual spec and now you don't have a PvP build now you're
spending more money than the other classes in order to go to multiple rates
if you want to have a PvP build or something like that which could just be
how it is. Respects are one silver. You're right. They're gonna stay like that, aren't they?
Things to think about. I don't know what the right answer is. I'm not a mage. That's a
mage main question. But if, uh, let's say there's a nature dungeon, right? All the druids
now have to speck feral but they don't just use spell power gear right kind of
griefs things oh wait this dagger is better holy shit I thought the staff
was 20s okay well unfortunately that priest could use that dagger so it's
better on me thank you let him you have it
well if he's healing the staff is better because it gives the intense
him. Alright. Oh, I got to go back to this guy. Fuck, wrong way.
Breeze gets the 44 healing hammer in the RLL quest. Yeah, he does.
I'm late to the beta and started today. What faction has been better leveling experience free regardless of class, race, order, or alliance?
They've been the exact same leveling experience.
It really just doesn't fucking matter.
I do think people over exaggerate the Olympus people that's just, they just don't like
Asman, which is fine.
And the people are annoying, but you can just get the add-on.
But then you literally have to like mute half the server, that's AIDS.
But who cares, just fucking quest, it's not a big deal.
i don't know what's you're looking for what factions been better
works faster because of our l
i cast but who cares
what should they do to fix druid
to fix druid
to tough one
i don't know if they they can buff wrath a little bit more
uh... cuz druid's damage is lacking
but i mean they already kind of did fix wrath at low levels
maybe buff wrath a little bit more at lower levels and reduce the spell power
scaling a bit
uh...
at higher levels
reduce the coefficient of low level wrath by a little bit
and then buff its base damage
so that when you do get new spell ranks it's more than likely gonna be worth
using higher ranks. Just have unique coefficients with downranked. So how it worked in classic,
really retarded them to change how it worked. Well, it's not retarded them to change how
It's it makes sense. They want casters to feel good when they with gear upgrades
They want that they want you to notice your wrath does more damage
The problem is the base damage is so fucking miserable, and you don't actually get gear
until level 14 that
You're just struggling
Immensely struggling and it's just a little iffy so
So yeah, they just got to buff the base damage of low rank Wrath.
That's it.
Because you're not going to have spell damage gear.
Struggling is Pog.
It doesn't feel very Pog when it's like everyone is...
It's rough.
Dude, it's rough.
So I would do something like that.
I would mess with the coefficients of lower rank spells and then buff the base damage.
Invite me, I'll come help.
No, I don't want any 20s in the dungeon, boring.
I do need a DPS, by the way.
If any ROL gamers exist, when I go to Undercity, people who genuinely need the quests, etc.
I can DPS?
Alright.
16 Paladin, very nice.
The 50% buff wasn't enough.
Maybe it was. I haven't gotten a level of Druid since that change.
It was decent, but Wrath rank 3 is still worse to press than Wrath rank 2.
Typical, yeah.
Is old Twitch better?
I think it was.
Old Twitch was an actual hub for a lot of like-minded gamers and stuff, and now it's
just a fucking cesspool of retards.
Um, got a little too mainstream. Not ideal.
Sounds the same to me. Well, it's pretty fucking close.
But now a lot of like the memes and the Twitch community is kind of overran by
by Normie's on their phones.
Truth be told, it has an effect on the entire website.
So it's not as fun.
But just try and ignore it, stay in your own little bubble.
I'm excited about wow again.
Seeing wow do well on Twitch is really nice.
But it'll never be the same.
probably not. I don't know.
Okay, now I know what that rumbling is. One of my fans is vibrating. It's hitting something
something in there. Oh yeah, COVID was a thing during, was COVID a thing during 2019? I don't
even know the years. Uh, yeah, 2019. I don't think it was during launch though, was it?
The COVID pandemic timeline began with the first recognized case in China in December
2019. When did classic relaunch in 2019? August 27th. All right, so yeah, so COVID launched
late 2019.
Okay.
Yeah, I want to say COVID lockdown and like actually kicked
off was 2020.
COVID launch. Sorry, but you know what I mean, right?
It's a crazy fucking update.
I've never released it.
COVID beta was 2019 fair.
Either way, so yeah, I mean, maybe WoW forever does do more.
I don't know.
It's a good question.
If I had to guess, I think WoW forever will actually do better.
I do think so, but I don't... I wouldn't bet my life on it.
Can't wait for Covid forever.
HAHAHAHA! Can't shut the fuck up!
Oh, shit.
this is big fucking XP 5 in nice noise new risks I think I ding 16 yeah if I go to under
I did 16 maybe I did the pre-quest for wailing caverns already so that's good damn it my
hair turn my fan off blowing shit car in three seconds done troll five second 50%
sprint night elves retail shadow meld scalves 25 meter goblin jump and give
dwarves more damage reduction during stone form um if war stomp was a three
second stun here's here's where you need to you need to think like this would
you play tauren as a warrior if if war stomp was a three second stun or would
you still go work? I don't know. That's OP. I don't know, stunned reduction 20%. So compare
and if you're scratching your head at, I don't know which one's going to be more valuable.
If you're doing that, then the ratios are balanced. And then you're going to say, you know what?
Fuck it. I'm gonna play what I like the most. What looks the coolest and some classes obviously like
Undead warrior is just not gonna be good inherently because warriors can break fear, right?
Whatever that's just how it's gonna be
Because undead Rachel is really good
But you should have some more choices
Personally, I think
I
I would almost say you should remove planes running, or not planes running, the fucking cultivation herb talent.
That should just be removed, it's trash, and it should be replaced by something like Bull Rush.
Or some type of actual active that does something.
And now you're questioning, I honestly might still go orc.
Even though the Tarn Wyr gets another gap closure, it'll be really great versus mages and things of that nature.
But the orc stun resist is probably still better
And
Then troll racial
Troll racial is I think can be pretty decent for solo gameplay like playing
Hunter and warlock
specifically
But it does get massively nerfed and game because you're gonna have first aid
You could just first aid instead, and yeah, it's a little bit less, but remember you're losing a racial to have the troll racial
So it gets kind of nerfed
Tough to balance that and figure out what would be good there
Knight elf. Yeah, you could
Making Shadowmeld work like Wrath would probably be really good. I think that's a good change
Letting like Druids and rogues reself. I probably if they did that I fuck now
I'd have to play night elf holy shit. I have to go back
Yeah sky elf right now there's almost no reason to play it. It's it's horrible
They're worse in PvE and the PvE talents are so minuscule
The only person who people that are really going to look at their ratios for PvE are people like Alondo that are parsing everyone else
You'll be fine playing anything for PvE. It doesn't matter
Yeah, there's not even a good PvP talent for ratio for first guy elves they have that stupid slow fall
Which is trash?
maybe it can be great in some world scenarios, but
But it's not really fun to only be good when you have a massive hill next to you.
It sucks.
I do think a goblin jump, but RP-wise it's like a wind blast because there's sky elves
and they thrust themselves forward would be way cooler.
You could actually utilize that and it also is even better next to hills, right?
In your mind everything should be PVP focused.
Completely not true.
I do like PVP focused but I think you're just assuming because you hear me talk about it
that that's all I care about.
No, I think the PVE is going to be more or less balanced and fine.
It does push you forward fairly far on flat ground.
Is it enough to get a 1.5 second cast off though or something?
Nelf is busted in PvE.
I don't think busted's a word I'd use there.
No it's not.
Okay so compare it to Worstomp.
Worstomp I can stun and I can maybe get a cast off.
is okay. I do know it's one of the better PvE talents because crit it does really well, but
it doesn't scale with Wreck. It doesn't scale with Berserk. Rogue's pretty much already crit
everything if they play daggers. Maybe balance through it, I guess, but again you can also just
just get troll racial for the haste on casting. There's other options.
Is the humans 2% sword crit stack with warrior abilities? Yeah.
Pretty good. So again, these are all like 10% haste, 10% crit, 10% attack power,
Or like 1% crit, 2% crit passives and things. Like it's really, I feel like these knobs are not going to be that difficult to turn, to make it pretty fucking close.
So, like one guy saying I only care about PvP, when it comes to the racials, really your only choice is picking the race based on PvP.
Or, aesthetics if you're just a PvEer.
But if you're rolling a PvP server which more than half the population fucking does, your
consideration should be PvP based.
Not me.
Okay.
Cool.
No one cares about PVP, more than half the wild population picks the PVP server.
Every single time there's ever been PVP or PV servers, more than half picks it.
So that alone, you should pick your racials based off PvP.
You are wrong.
Why am I wrong?
What did I say that was wrong there?
I feel like I explained it very logically here.
I'm explaining, yeah, you can pick for PvE,
but I told you why it's not gonna be a big deal.
Y'all man, Max too much, just enjoy the game.
I mean, you know what?
You can live with that mindset,
But the reality is a lot of players won't live at that mindset.
They just won't.
They're going to want to pick the correct race.
And with, again, the utility of racials,
there is a correct choice.
I wish there wasn't.
I wish they were more balanced.
And it really wasn't a big deal, but there is a correct answer.
And if you just want to play for aesthetics,
then you play in a PvE server, sure.
But if you do pick a PvP server and a new player is like,
I like these Sky Elves, they're cool and I paid for them.
I'm gonna use it.
And they're gonna level their character up.
And let's just say they really get fucking into the game.
It's they're having a lot of fun.
And then you know what?
They do a little dabbling in PvP.
You know, their DPS has been fine.
They haven't really noticed anything significant.
But then they noticed, what the fuck?
This human just got out of my stun?
How do you do that?
Well, what can I do?
Wait, what?
Huh?
Wait, this Orc Rogue?
Why are my cheap slots, why are they so short versus this guy, huh?
I'm level 60, what's going on?
It's, it, that's what's going to happen.
And they're going to be like, well, shit, so do I just lose versus all is the only
way I can beat this class as if I'm the correct race.
The answer is going to be fucking yes, it is.
That's the only way you can win.
And like, well, what, what class do I beat because I'm a sky elf?
Nothing.
You have an advantage versus no classes none
That to me is not balanced
There should always be some benefit to picking a race and we can talk about even trolls I
Picked a troll warrior. I can never use this troll racial
Wait this orc warrior just has shorter stun duration and that that's the only way he can beat rogues. What?
You go against a gnome, you pick a night elf warrior, you're doing the same DPS as
gnomes at the end of the day for the most part, and then you watch this gnome warrior
duel a mage and he just breaks the frost out.
What the fuck?
Well I can shadow meld, I guess, but that's not the same fucking value of a root break.
So yeah, your decision should be PvP based, that's my point.
The only exception is if you're on a PvE server and you will be avoiding PvP like the plague
the entire time.
Not even dueling.
None of it.
Ever.
If you're even doing a slight amount and that rolling on a PvP server means you're gonna
do a slight amount, whether you like it or not, PvP pays decision.
You can disagree with me, but you're fucking wrong.
I'll die on the hill.
At this point, if you disagree, you're rage baying.
That's how I feel.
You can group PvP.
Okay, pick the right racial.
Unless your class is race restricted like Dwarf.
Well, I mean Druids have to pick four sages of shit, Sky Elf, Night Elf, and Tarin.
Some of the worst racials in the game.
So Druid life is miserable.
Uh, Dwarf?
I think Dwarf is just not ideal for PvE, but your PvP rations are pretty good.
Like again, you can remove Blind and Bleed.
That fucks over Druids, Warriors, and Rogues really hard.
And it's a damage reduction, which is valuable versus every single class in the game.
Pretty consistently.
But I don't really know what PvE benefits you gain.
Which is unfortunate.
some love there oh it's only physical okay well there you go dwarf needs some
PvE love for sure like dwarf hunters can't even use maces it's kind of awkward
Don't forget orcs also get a magic damage reduction. Yeah, the curse immunity. That's
a big deal. A lot of warlocks are going to use curse of exhaustion and try and like kite
you. Being immune to that is a big fucking deal. Orcs are good. Turn forever into retail
2.0. I think you're rage baiting. I think racial balance is a completely valid thing
to try and do. Or we can all be orcs and humans again, and the other races you'll be made
fun of for picking those. You can just go with that again. Fuck it, let's unnormalize
rage too. Just do all orc warriors and all human warriors. To do that, good ol' classic
era gameplay
no one wants guy born to be competitive yeah maybe i'm alone there the fact you
have to pay for it
uh... but i'm uh... again i'm i'm biased i i want sky elves to be good
because
it's finally another druid race but
i understand what people are coming from
Don't waste my time.
I am always on the winning side.
I guess I wore the blue pants.
Troll Druid.
Troll Druid, assuming the racial stayed the same,
is your trolling if you pick that, actually.
It's horrible.
I mean, I can shift out of form and I can troll racial,
or I could just cast a regrowth.
It's not, Troll's not a good race for Druid at all.
Boomkin, for the 10% haste. I guess that's the PvE thing, I guess, but I don't think it's that big.
Hmm, Druids do a lot of casting with Wrath Starfire endgame, so it'd be a decent PvE
ratio, but you'd have more fun with the crit.
Night Elf, and Tarn, Tarn doesn't get shit for PvE besides the hit rating.
Haste on Hot Ticks is big.
I don't think Haste helps you with Hots or Dots.
It only helps you with cast speed, so.
Training at level 16 spells are fucking right, let me go do that.
It does in Wrath.
It's cool, it's not Wrath here.
i think dots are forever going to take on three second margins
this guy wants me to check his gear all right
all right
enchanted for agi
all stats
very cool gamer very cool agility seven
uh... he doesn't have the four set for the three set
i don't think this belt's correct i think you're better off with the belt of the fang
the strength is worthless
and then you get the foreset so that's incorrect your ring is shit
uh... i think your cloak is wrong get the brotherhood cape
no you got the whatever
vertitude's amulet there's probably a better weapon as well
well ten AP nine stam is
not bad but i think you'd have more fun with the uh... nine ints
for some type of int weapon since you get the talent that makes a or inst scale
for a p
right chest though it just is good
the poll arm from dead mines
yeah it's like nine agi four and i think
i think you have more value out of that weapon
definitely not
i don't know
uh... member
or at all ever you have a hundred percent a p from intelligence
and i don't know how these hunters are going but intelligence might be good
What a value from that.
The fuck did I just train?
New life tap, that's it, huh?
And water breathing, whaaat?
I
Need to sell I got a shell bad
How are there already gold sellers dude, how do you think man?
All right, you enable class color name place for friendlies by the way, I know it just
trips me out.
If you could pick three racials for any race, what would they be?
If you could pick three racials?
I mean, I don't know.
Like to have in real life or...
It's hard coming with balanced racials.
I don't think it's that difficult.
I think the biggest thing is, again, keep the PvE rations tuned how they are with the
10% activation of some variant of stat, so haste, spell power, whatever, and then you
have your passive crit or haste, whatever.
PvE rations are easy, and then the rest is just utility, and they need to be of equal
strength with being able to trinket a fucking stun, whether it be giving you the ability
to get CC. So again, Sky Elf's getting a massive burst forward allows them to get a cast off
and get away from someone. War Stomp is strong, it can allow you to get a cast off. I mean,
undead can remove fear, gnomes can remove whatever. Orcs just have reduced stun duration.
So it's just CC capabilities, that's it. It's not that hard to do, I don't think.
Do you know if Terry's a list of working add-ons at all?
Uh, there's add-ons what? Yeah.
Shadow Protection. Oh, fuck.
I'll shadow protection um hmm do any of these do damage
or do they just have stamina on them it does seem weird to have race things that's a direct
counter to some classes. I think it's fine. I do think that's fine. I just think every
race, there should be a situation where if you see a Taren, some classes are thinking,
oh fuck. Exact same as what you see as an if you see an undead, oh fuck, but no class will
ever see a Taren or a troll or any of them and be like, oh shit. And that means the race
This is not strong enough.
Or dwarf?
No, if a rogue sees a dwarf, they will say, oh fuck, and a druid would say a feral druid
at least, and warriors, yeah, warriors would be sad to see a dwarf as well.
No, there's moments for it.
War Stomp stun is clutch.
Let me ask you this.
Do you think it's more clutch than just removing a kidney shot?
I got banned.
Nick, did you actually buy gold?
Nick, please tell me you're rage baiting.
Are you trolling or are you actually dead serious and it's important I want to know if if they
actually detected that you bought gold that is I'm kidding okay okay he's just kidding
I was I was gonna say you know what I'm glad you limit tested it I would be really happy
that a gold buyer got banned it means they're fucking doing it um but you're just trolling
Alright.
Alright, fuck it, I don't have an offhand, I'm on my way, guys, sorry.
Do we have all the quests?
One, two, three.
Uh, let me check.
Quests, you have it, you have it.
That's a crest inside the dungeon, that's the head from inside the dungeon.
Okay, we're good.
Yeah, we have it all.
Chillin'.
How bad is troll warrior compared to orc for PvE?
Honestly, troll might be better than PvE.
No.
Orcs get the crit with axes, right?
What do trolls get?
Passive-wise.
5% to beasts, bows, zerk and heal, okay so nothing for warrior DPS, you're better with
Orc. Go Orc.
You always assume that the player is good enough and can actually get leveraged through
Is it hard to human trinket stun?
Is that just too much of a challenge for people?
And what's more difficult to utilize?
Simply removing a kidney shot or utilizing war stomp appropriately?
So, I mean like the worst racial is even harder to use.
In general, yes. Okay, maybe. They might not even have one of their bar.
should be told, sure.
So Taran got 1% hit, are we going to skip that?
It get 1% hit rating, and maybe that's pretty, that is really good.
It's a really good passive, and it's 5% health, but human shrink is better.
Now on PvE, tanking is Taran, not bad, but you do get 2% crit as a human warrior if you're using swords.
I think that might end up being more value depending on how much damage is taken in PvE.
I don't know if it's going to be a healing issue or just a threat issue when it comes to raids.
I bet it's a threat issue.
But we don't know the challenge of raids though.
All right, I mean, we're all here. We're all ready. We'll skip everything we possibly can
What are we trading here?
All right, I'm a pirate first time here
All right, I'll just fuck. I gotta bind stuff options
keybindings
Target markers one two three four five six
Well, a little bit of damage there.
Any quest to share? Oh shit. Yes, sir.
Too low of a level. Bob, you are level 13. How? You need to be 16 for these
quests. Okay, this is a low level dungeon.
Like you were third you're almost 14. Did you not turn in any RFC quests like
All right
I should not cast my god
There's my seer doing 4% of my damage dang
There is a boss through this window by the way, so we're gonna jump over to the left
a lot of people are saving the dungeon quest yeah they want to like w key to level 30 instantly
oh it's cringe but I mean that is probably ideal to do for the dueling turni just w key
everyone at 25 can be done with it.
Yeah I mean again I see why you do it if you're going to plan on entering the dual
I get it, but if you're not doing that and you're just playing the beta, I question you as a human being.
There's got to be some level of insecurity that you have or something, I don't know.
says you I mean I'm not doing it
I got I should not in the late holy fuck
any taunters there we go
Well, there's a spider lake.
Pretty good weapon there.
I gotta re-lock.
I gotta re-log.
Totally disagree, I wanted the USFK at level 20, but why would I turn in the quest before
level 30 is available?
It would be stupid to do so.
No, that's fine to, like, that's okay.
I get having some quests to not turn in, and if you don't need the reward, sure, I guess
It's like whatever but that's because you're not go you're not going out of your way
I'm talking if you're going out of your way to get a bunch of pre-quest learned at level 20
What do you do like it's not a speedrun strat you're not practicing speedrunning
You're actually just taking away practice for speedrunning
So you're
screwing yourself over
It's just some level of you need to be 31st for some form of awkward insecurity on the beta
If you're doing the PvP tourney, there's now a reason to do it. I understand that makes sense
But if you're not playing the PvP tourney and you do that, it's just weird
Mid maxing is fun. That's really it
Yeah, maybe they're just stuck in that mindset and they just can't realize
It's you're gonna hit level 30 in like five dungeons, not even three without doing that
Just kind of crazy
Thank you for ruining thorns for all druids did I
You did.
Do you mind? Thorn still scales with spell power. It just doesn't snapshot.
I'm relatively positive that was a bug.
Not how that was supposed to be.
It was also snapshotting with Retribution Aura.
That also got fixed. I think it was... yeah.
It's definitely not a bug. Tons of things snapshot. Like what? What snapshots? Eureka
doesn't snapshot. Dots don't snapshot. Healing spells don't snapshot. So, nothing snapshots.
What is snapshotting? Best example I can give is, let's say you have a, the next spell you,
You have a Eureka, the next damaging spell you do does 10% more damage, right?
You put it on your dot, the entire dot gets the 10% bonus.
That would be snapshotting.
Or you do, let's do the night elf racial.
It gives you 10% crit and you put a dot up.
The dot will have 10% crit the entire duration.
But then the night elf buff falls off, the dot no longer has the crit, right?
That's because it doesn't snapshot, and that's how it is.
So, you basically take advantage of buffs to make dots or hots more powerful for the
whole duration.
I like snapshotting.
I wish it was in the game.
I like it a lot.
Again, I think it adds a level of skill to a rather simple fucking game.
It's really not complicated.
There's not even a lot of ways you can snapshot in this game.
They remove snapshotting from classic they did.
So if I pop a trinket that gives me 200 spell power and I put a dot up,
when the trinket falls off the buff, the dot will also lose that spell power bonus.
I'm sad to see that gone.
So is the flasset for warrior gone?
Yeah, it is actually.
that for where would not work.
It would be honest with you, like that's something I am glad that's gone.
Warriors having the farm healing gears cringe.
I don't think thorns should snapshot either.
I think feral droids having to farm spell power gear is cringe and being like required
to have a solid thorn set and if they don't they get bullied.
I think dots and hearts should with a trinket things like that
I think as a say a feral druid if you were to swap to a healing weapon and you cast your regrowth and rejuve on someone
The regrowth and rejuve heal over time effects should have the benefit of that heal or the healing weapon
That would make feral druids actually viable in PvP maybe or more viable at least
who would promote hybrid gameplay, but right now if you do that you swap to a healing weapon
as a feral droid and you put up regrowth and rejuve and then you swap back the regrowth
and rejuve basically don't do any healing unless you keep the healing weapon equipped.
i think it's cringe
you have a thing about the other classes
we have warlocks
and their dots you know they use a trinket and they put up a full row of
dots, it doesn't really matter anymore. Shadow Priest as well, same thing. We need dot class.
Whatever. Now you dot and then use your trinket. Yeah, actually that is what you do. Because
Because the dots don't tick for 3 seconds, you actually want to fully dot someone, and
then time the trinket to where it actually ticks.
You want to use the trinket when the dots tick.
It's a little weird, but that's now the optimal way of doing things.
Why does hybrid get free spell power from Talons, but Druid?
You're talking about Feral?
I agree.
I think it's really weird that Feral's don't have nature's grace, or whatever the fuck
it's called.
Share your thoughts on mages?
I think mages are in a weird spot right now.
I think their rotation is too simple and dull and boring.
There's a level of complexity they could add to that.
I think ice block.
Bear with me now.
Should be some level of obtainable.
Do I want this?
Hold on.
Those are pretty good, but if you want them, Bob, you can have them.
That was great.
I don't like that right now.
I'm in PvP mode, I'm sorry, but I don't think this affects anything.
Right now you cannot PvP as anything but Frost.
I think even if they made Ice Block Baseline, you still should PvP as Frost.
It'll still be better because of cold snap, but you're just, you're not, you literally,
you can't even have fun PVPing as fire or arcane at the moment.
So maybe something needs to be done to where those specs can get ice block a little bit
easier.
They'll never have cold snap, obviously.
And Frost will always be better just inherently with the slows that it does.
And then the rotation needs to be a little bit more difficult.
difficult but more fun, more excitement thrown into it. Is that how it was in
classic? Yeah, it actually kind of was how it was in classic and again we're not
remaking classic. I think we're doing things a little bit different right now.
Mage lost cold snap? No, they didn't. You just have to go deep into frost for it.
Only Frostmages should have ColdSnap, which will, again, Frostmage will always be the best PvP spec.
But if a Mage wanted to have fun playing or PvPing is fire, you know, give it a try, they can, but it won't be as good as Frost.
And the only way they can actually have fun is if you give them some variation of Ice Block, in my opinion.
So either A, make it easier in the talent tree to get it, or B, make it baseline.
line. I don't know, baseline might be a little too much. That's my opinions on mages. And
yeah, PVE, they need a more fun rotation for frost. I don't think frost bolt and then
ice lancing when you get a fingers proc is enough. I don't know how you do it though.
a lot of majors don't like arcane either
they're not excited about the play style of it
why though
uh...
this is our you question or event questioners eco question but
i trust all those three guys have a pretty good opinion on the status of
mage and
a lot of people listen to say those guys and be like they don't understand what
it's like to be a bad player they do
they're thinking just about the end game min max no they're not
they were also bad they remember what it's like to be bad
they also know it's like to be good unlike everyone else talking
so they've got a better view of the game
sounds again for three people blizzard
uh... what is three people we can also go to just about every other player who
who actually played mage in classic and they share the same opinion.
So we can make the game for the people that actually play the game
or the people that just fucking type retarded things in like a twitch chat.
Those are just three examples.
Second one's more fun. Just fucking stupid. I'm just tired of this stupid arguments.
Second option, we get retail, wow. Well, the second option, what ends up happening is
every time you talk about, like, a mage class and what to do to make them better, you're
completely outnumbered because everyone who plays the other classes starts- starts spew-
no, no, don't give them that, no, no! So then, mage basically gets nothing. And then we
move on to the next class like Paladin, same thing. No, don't give him that! No! So, basically,
you're outnumbered whenever you're talking about an individual class, and now every class
has fucking nothing. That's what ends up happening. You talk about rogues. No, don't give him
that! That's good, okay? I mean, fuck, we can just have nothing in the game? It's just,
it's just stupid
yeah but for real fuck rogues
i mean they are annoying class i understand
i have to sit like the full cheap kidney i gotta sit every fucking variation of
cc a rogue does
but you know they should be able to play the game and win
every now and most of the time actually
rogues just inherently are really good
with stealth in world PvP situations. That's how it is.
Now giving Rooks Cloak of Shadows and Shadowstep, now we're gonna get into the discussion of
people not understanding how that affects, dare I say it, PvP. And does it affect PvE that much?
Not really. I read one comment. I was saying that Feral Charge Cat form isn't a big deal
in PvP or PvE and one guy went on this massive rant on how much of a DPS increase
feral charge cat form actually bring I'm like dude shut the fuck up shut the
fuck up whoo so giving rogue shadow step not the biggest DPS increase and it
completely it makes the it makes rogues the best class in the game in PvP not
even a question it's disgusting all very it's like giving warriors charge in
combat rogues are supposed to be CCable they also CC the fuck out of you but
when you finally get them locked down they're having a bad time giving them
shadow step you can't do that anymore prod gets that I don't think they do they
can charge in defensive stance but not charging combat
Oh, they do not using whimsy fin delight is the reason I'll do crazy damage feeding and
Whimsie fin delight that is
Eating whoppers and itchers for turns is better than what's a crit for other races. Yes, I do
But it also depends on how difficult it is to gear at endgame
Do we not know where to go team? Are we lost here? Do I need to guide us a little bit?
Because I'm on autopilot debating with toddlers. A little bit of lead? Okay, I'll be honest. I
don't know where we are either. Just role-playing. Wasn't paying attention. Fuck. Follow me this way.
Where the fuck am I?
I sure as hell don't know where that crest is, uh, for the quest.
And then we gotta kill the Baron.
Kill this fucking guy.
Okay, I see now, this way team.
Go this way.
It'd be a good idea to do a charity sub-a-thon for the forever release.
Maybe a sub-a-thon, but it might not be a charity.
It might go to my bank account, but we'll see where I'm looking.
We will see.
Oh
Okay, I check my bail. Oh, you can't
He's out here for the dual tourney. I am potentially I'm still I'm I'm prepping for it, but I'm debating
I am waiting to see on like just rule sets. I want to see the next balance patch and what things look like
I want to see what level 30 pvp looks like because right now
It feels like a waste of time to go in as any class other than priest
That's kind of how it looks Druid is not looking so good at 30 typical
Okay, we're looking at some crazy shit here
Big pull
Do you think we'll get another scarlet crusade raid I never did if you're a insult
So no idea if people hated it or liked it
Ow.
Big bop.
Our tank has gone down.
Uh-oh, GG.
My bad, that's on me.
That pool was wayyyy bigger than I thought it'd be.
Hey, how's our priest full mana?
Hey, how do you get full mana?
Oh my god, he fucking leveled.
wait they've got this dude that was the most tactical ding ever
oh oh priest goes down Pally hunter they're low Pally has res don't let the
Pally go down we can clip him hunter we clip please we can just kill it holy
Holy shit!
Oh!
Incredible gaming.
Solid.
Go in the tourney and sandbag, drew it for buffs.
i don't think the devs and i don't think they should care that much
about low-level pvp
if drew it is the worst pvp class whatever man
i would just care more about the actual leveling experience and it is what it is
especially level night level thirty
tweaking
uh... people are going to have obscene amounts of stamina
priests are going to have ones that they shouldn't have at that level
uh... is what it is
now you could make the argument that
you know maybe blizzard should balance pvp at low levels because
of twinking and
can they balance it without taking away balance at end game
if they can share why not but i'm not gonna
whatever
it is what it is
it's making actually that popular no that's why that's why i'm kinda like
do cares
prioritize balancing endgame
try to thin the gap of every class it shouldn't be as much of a gap
uh... leveling
example shouldn't be disgusting hunters shouldn't be discussing and we're shouldn't
be shit
at leveling druid shouldn't be shit at leveling
they're going to be worse some classes will just be worse it's natural
but thin the gap more than classic
and focus on balancing in game
that's what i'd like to see happen and whatever happens from there it's the
wild west balancing
uh... breaking points
things like that
druid's good at leveling
it's
uh... well we'll have to see how cat form is
cat form might not be good
uh... leveling like it used to be
one to twenty is a little bit rough
i think they buff wrath so maybe it's fine now
and maybe they'll do something to buff rage because it's a problem and then
barefoot will be better too
one to twenty is easy as a druid
Rage bait!
Who the fuck?
Okay, it's over.
Oh, I just stood in the fire, too.
I was looking at the mobs.
I'm an idiot.
I forgot.
I literally just took a bath.
I wasn't looking.
There's damage taken.
Yeah, that Flamestrike did 40% of my health.
Maybe they've got it.
Oh, Flamestrike.
Don't stand in the flame strike, don't, uh, be better than me.
How did we pull these three? Where did they even come from? How'd that happen?
It's a white.
Tanks down.
Pallies down.
Full white.
Boss is also level 20, and my group is level 14 and 15 across the board, damn dear.
Not ideal.
True it is amazing 1 through 20 because you have self-heals.
You're right.
I'm wrong.
So true.
As if you noticed the fewest of I'm trying to avoid high competition of grouping due to class bloat
Not a lot of warriors believe it or not not a lot of rogues
Honestly rogues and warriors I've seen very few of
but it's it's a skewed number here you're getting a type of player in the beta these
are people that you know they're already big wow fans they've played probably every iteration
of classic era and they're wanting to play something new warrior has been played so much
in classic era that I just don't think people want to play it. They're like
avoiding it like the plague, because they've already done it a thousand times.
And Warrior also got kind of screwed over with their rage normalization on top
of that. So when live actually goes out I don't know what it's gonna look like.
everything else has been it feels like an even spread paladin is completely
overrun there's so many paladins I think that might be the hero class of
classic
rogues the fucking same most classes at 1 through 20 are the fucking same that
do physical damage at least no hunters are slightly different with our cane
shot and pet scaling yeah rogues are kind of the same but I feel like you'd
rather be a rogue than a warrior just get completely fucked with the rage
normalization caster's all got kind of nerve but they get you know actual
dopamine from gear now no crest sad
you think boom can be good for lele what you get to have spell power so feral
will just always be better and there's really no way to fix that barrels get
20% move speed or 30% move speed at level 20 and there's a lot of running at level 20 maybe
planes running druid balance could be better I could see that okay looks like we are too
low of a level we are pulling everything in the fucking game curse of weakness okay our
our tank just died instantly. Okay, a curse of weakness across the board there.
God help me oh easy Jesus Christ
Is that warrior low level?
He is level 14.
Baster is nerfed.
They're nerfed early game.
All of your spells do less damage than they did in Classic Era, but they all gain a lot
of damage through spell power, but you don't gain a lot of spell power until later.
Does that make sense?
Later being like level 14 doing dungeons.
And there's also more spell power gear, yeah, but you don't really start activating it until
you start doing dungeons.
If you get lucky.
No, not if you get lucky.
Well, we'll have to see how they nerf the quest dungeons
Because they did say they want to nerf it
But all the like this dungeon for example at the end I get a 26 spell power weapon. That's guaranteed from clearing it
Also, there's some really good crafted gear. Yeah, you're gonna start getting it early on
So yeah, level level 14 through 20 depending on what you quest and
what you dungeon and things like that around that range is when you'll start
getting a little bit stronger. On Horde, Alliance gets other good stuff as well. I
leveled on Alliance. Even Staff of Westfall, despite it being a healing weapon,
it's a lot of spell damage. That's guaranteed. Assuming you do that question,
Pretty sure you get a weapon as well from Hall of Thanes guaranteed spell power.
You get a wand from Thanes? Fucking even better. You shouldn't be hitting buttons, you just fucking wand.
Gamers we still need to I need to grab this we need a that crest and the last boss still
How do you feel about the armor professions first alchemy and enchanting
The armor I think if you're leveling you are trolling if you do not go either tailoring
blacksmithing or leatherworking, as of right now. And I think that's a problem. I think
alchemy and engineering needs some like actual more love when it comes to leveling. Now end
game, sure, not a problem, you know, and you know what, maybe that's a case. Maybe it's
just fun to craft your gear and that should be what you do while leveling. I'm okay with
that actually I'm okay with that but let's say we weren't okay with that alchemy and
you want to do alchemy and urbing the problem if you want to do an alchemy urbing thing
it's like you might as well just hit 60 and then level it and that is where I think it
shouldn't be like that. And what do you do? What do you give them? I don't know
what you give them. I don't know if we should give them too much gear because
that's just a profession thing with tailoring. Maybe some self-leveling
potions or something. They already have some bind on picked up potions but they're
not that good. And then engineering, you get your grenades but are they really that
big of a deal is it I think I'd rather just have the gear xp boost potions I
think that could get a little out of control I don't know if they should get
xp potions but either way something to think about maybe a movement speed
potion a movement speed okay maybe nades are OP for AOE leveling you mean for
And while you're getting boosted in wetlands by a 60 mage, I don't think we give a fuck
about anything going on there.
That's...
That's a whole different ballgame.
Let's kill this.
Kill these.
Kill these.
Kill these.
It's kind of a slippery slope because if you give them like grenades and stuff that do
too much damage and they're bind unpicked up, they need to be pretty cheap and easy
to make, but also not overpowered. I don't know. I'm glad I don't have to balance that.
It seems tough. Personally, now that I'm thinking about it, just leave Leatherworking, Tailoring,
and Blacksmithing to be biswell leveling. And if you want to do Herbalism and Alchemy,
you can. But if you want to min-max, just swap at max level. I think that's fun. And
Maybe there will be really cool alchemy trinkets or engineering trinkets that you get to make
really cheap higher level, but we haven't seen them yet.
What would you pick for a priest, palering and enchanting?
Not even a question.
Shaman, leatherworking and skinning.
Wow!
Cold Spire Staff, 13 Spirit.
uh... i think you can have that gamer
i think i care more about the ten in ton this staff
or maybe i do like the spirit for life tap
i don't think i care that much
you can have it
you won't stand for tap i think you're right yet take it
right we got to find this dumb crest and there's like a campfire as well and
i don't know what the fuck it is
i also don't give a shit about this character
we get twenty and i don't think i'm gonna optimize my gear i'm just gonna log off
time is it yeah three hours till poker ok
go back chance explore the grave
you talking about
I look on top of the tower
this
or inside here
is where you complete a frightened request frightened request
killed the extra pack okay
I am so laggy.
Okay, oh my god dude
Yeah, you're right. I didn't realize that was right there. Holy fuck
All right
Well now
We just got to find that crest
need crest and
I don't know how to spell chimney
What's chimney don't judge me I think it's right here
Uh, let's wait on our priest.
Actually let's kill everything around us.
Don't click that yet.
He clicked it.
Okay.
All right.
Well.
ballsy
Okay, very ballsy here
Tactical level up by the hunter
Okay, we got more spawns. Oh my god
I mean lay on hands community fear of course
of
the
Oh, we didn't get to drink. I don't know if we did. Oh fuck
Trying to do some cursive weaknesses here
I don't have any, maybe I could craft one, but yeah.
Spam drink.
Fuck.
This shit is cooked.
I'm tanking. My chest is broken.
Help me!
You gotta kill this fucking sca- there we go.
Fuck.
Dude, this is ridiculous.
Oh, our priest is drinking? Okay.
Curse of weaknesses.
Cross the board.
Priest is gonna get full mana.
I can miss dodge parry miss
Ow
Where's the fucking boss?
Oh, here he comes.
Pantam? Uh, ow.
Okay, I might need to watch my thread here.
Play this shit slow. Oh god.
Do I summon a void walker here?
I'm doing it.
I don't know if it's the right call, but I did it.
i don't think drainlifing is a play
I can't hit him.
Easy.
Oh!
Talk about effort.
ooh good ass sword very nice
what would you run for world pvp 3vx outnumbered amount of enemies like what
three-man team would I play in world PvP? Is that what you're asking?
Uh...
Well, I'd play Druid, so I'd play with classes that would pair well with Druid.
I'd probably take a Hunter with me.
Honestly, maybe Druid Hunter Rogue?
No, I think rogues tend to just fucking die instantly.
And they're not.
Druid Hunter Mage is what I bring.
I play Druid Hunter Mage.
If you're like outnumbered, you need a mage to be able to actually kill large numbers of people.
The Hunter does pretty good burst and really good peeling.
And the Druid doesn't need a lot of peeling. It's just a very versatile mobile healer.
that can help follow up damage with like moonfire and sniping kills but if you're
playing any comp at all it's just two three mages I'm not even getting like
you's only mages have the capability to kill tons of mobs
Druid is a really good healer in the world though.
The fact that you're like able to be invisible and you're highly mobile, you're able to
run for like five years, it's a pretty good healer in the world.
Not pure healer?
No.
You just need NS and SWIFTMND.
And then the rest is just Dan- oh, I guess you also take Feral Charge, but in World PVP
I wouldn't get Feral Charge.
I would probably just go deeper into balance.
Again, G will still be best for PvP?
Probably.
Probably, but I don't know.
You have to see what the other professions bring.
I
Shares of the shield I think we got it. We're good
You know, they're two crests that you're supposed to loot. I was just one
Just the one. Yeah, I think we just leave. We're just walking out now. We're done.
What would it take for you to play Feral again? Nurturing Instinct?
If you gave Feral a nurturing instinct, I think you're still kind of fucked.
The only way Feral can be considered good is if they reduce the mana cost of shapeshifting immensely,
where you don't need to sack lots of damage to be able to shift and or give
druids a slow which I don't think they should do.
Feral is a slow. Yeah you'd have to reduce the mana cost of shape shifting and
then you would have to increase the give them nurturing instinct in their
talents and then Feral might be decent.
I was just curious what type of three-man comp with excel in world pvp especially when
outnumbered.
Um, yeah, uh, when outnumbered, I don't think rogue fits the bill.
Rogue is just like the assassin for one guy, but in a big, large scale fight in the world.
And maybe you could just like burst someone down instantly and then
vanish and do it again, I guess.
But I think you want a kite team.
So I'm not kidding.
I think Druid healer might actually be the best if you need a healer.
So more balance druid because you can like heal and kite and then hunter and then mage
That's actually a really fucking good comp. That would own
Very flexible
Priests would fall you would just you might just die in a stun
Druid could also die in a stun, but you've got a lot of pretty good answers to get away and not get caught
You don't have a magic to spell yeah priest would be good for that paladin would be really good to just play a holy Pali
Just being able to bubble and be immune to literally everything while dishing out heals and no one can stop it
And then having two mages just blasts so holy Pali double mage would be sick
shaman
Shaman might be decent, we'll see how good Riptide is, but I just don't think they bring any...
They don't bring as much as a Druid would.
To World PvP. Druids are really good in the world.
Two Hunters and one Druid, yeah.
Earthbind can be good, but it's pointless when you have a Frost Trap already.
You ain't got the answer, Sota.
Okay.
You're right.
You can also just fucking play a warrior and holy Pally warrior and then, I mean, fuck
it, double holy Paladin warrior.
That works too.
That's miserable to fight against.
Triple Mage.
But if you don't want a class stack, I mean triple rogue is also good.
I don't know.
Tomlin has a purge.
Yeah, but we're dealing with Lara like being outnumbered.
So I'm thinking like a 3v6 or something along those lines.
In my experience, you're either A going to have to class stack cringe like triple mage them down or you have to do extreme kiting
Hunters are good because they've got really good long-range damage and then mage is good because they've got crazy AOE and good CC and control
And they have ice block too, which is just strong
Warlock
Tab dotting can be really good. It's a lot of damage, but you'll just kind of die as soon as you get grouped up on
Do a try spec tournament teams of three of the same class each spec once
So one feral, one balance, and one resto druid versus like, I think triple rogue would still
be gross.
You'd have so many blinds, it just doesn't matter what spec they are.
That would be funny.
Just to see it.
How do I get down there?
Thanks for the gifted sub minecraft wow crazy you should repair I should do that
Where is she? Hello? Light's justice. Okay, you laggy ass game, hello. What? Ooh, healing
mace, whoa. Okay, 7K XP, not a big deal.
of
Feral should not do as much damage, but it should be close like if a rogue is
doing 100 DPS I think feral should do maybe 95
PVE it should hmm I disagree I think I would prefer the utility of hybrid
classes being more useful, so the innervate actually being useful. The battle res actually
being useful. Honestly being able to root and hibernate should be more useful, but your
damage should be less than a pure dps spec like a rogue.
Now if those, if hibernate and root aren't really like a thing and you don't give a shit
about it, yeah the feral should do as much damage as a rogue.
Tell that to rats.
Rats should not do as much damage as warriors.
They should not.
Same concept, I think 95% but there should be some other types of benefits like I don't
I don't know. What do Paladins bring to Raid other than damage?
Rep Paladins. I know they bring buffs, but you don't...
I don't know if that's really going to count, because everyone gets the buffs.
They heal a fuckton? Okay, sure. If they do a lot of healing, like, actually...
I don't know if they do, though. Like, Shadow Priest, they just do damage and it's passive healing.
That's what they bring, I understand, but I don't think Rep Paladins do.
So, off and cleanse, yeah, they bring a cleanse, sure, you can bring in, have more cleanse
mechanics, um, that is a big deal, actually, yeah.
But again, make it to the point where it's actually useful to do these things.
If we are in another situation where it's optimal, and I know not everyone's optimizing,
If you allow it to be at some point everyone's just gonna play a warrior because they're the most valuable
For a rogue or just pure DPS and the hybrids are just worse
Because the hybrid tax that they're paying is pointless
This feels bad it just feels awful
I need those gloves
Oh, no, I gotta buy this shit, right?
I gotta pick this shit, here we go.
Oh, my god, it's a respawn timer.
What did I get it?
I think I got it, nice, get on.
Okay, and now I need to buy Toxic Skull Cap from some motherfucker.
Tinker class, leaked on Reddit, dude, no way.
Actually, I hope to god not.
I just don't want to deal with a tinker.
I don't want them to do any classes in this game for like years upon years.
Where do y'all see this shit?
Oh shit, I needed that, thank you.
About next one for me appreciate it
Years literally years I don't know new class for at least like two years or more and
Even then let's just reconnect in two years and see where the status of the game is
If it's getting kind of stale and it's a little bit boring sure let's do a new class, but
Rule will reconvene then let's not add a new class
That's how I feel on that bullshit. Who the fuck do I talk to? It's some...
Some girl walking around. Where is she?
She is.
Guy that only plays Druid by the way.
Do you think adding a new class to the game wouldn't affect people that don't play the
class?
You gonna go with that?
It's fun.
Flying mounts are also fun.
Why don't we just add that, huh?
I'm down for flying mounts, dude, me too.
Like, what?
I don't get why.
Well, I don't get it.
Just add flying mounts to the game.
Give me flight form.
Oh, I see what I'm supposed to do, right?
I'm supposed to go out and leave, okay?
Let's make a retail.
I agree.
Fuck it.
Bring in the jailer.
Dragon writing.
some dragon writing. Let's open the dark portal. I agree. Let's just go to TBC. Fuck it. Let's
go to Shadowlands. Like we know what's gonna happen. Let's just go there and let's fly
there why can't we have some portals let's the town but only for druids and
sky born true
speak quickly what do you require
well what I go over here I see and as dude garrisons I think that was an
Untapped resource garrisons were cool people just didn't understand but now they'll get it
Fuck yeah, you have to pay for flying $99
So now I got to do wailing caverns
Oh, and I got to train my 18 spells
Noice. I think I get a new Curse of Urbane of Agony.
Okay, no offense team. Besides reject Olympus, I think you guys might be too low of a level for wailing caverns.
I might have to split here and get some new people.
GG's gamers. Bob's or GG's.
Jimbo, you're 17. You can go. You're level 15.
Level 20 tank I beg WCK as a hunter
Okay, 19 19 rogue sure rejected Olympus. You mind tanking gamer. You might have to perm a tank this
For healer doesn't matter. I don't think you can do most of the quest Kenny
Wait we don't have a healer. Okay sorry Rogue you got to go. Bye bad. Any healer's priest here. 19
priest nice. I fucked the prequest and just go to Wayland Caverns there's nothing else
to grab. I'll grab the quest for everyone. I can heal. Oh, Alice, you able to heal?
You logged in? Might be a little too late. Mother, this FPS is giving you the plague.
What do you want me to do about it? I can re-log, but it's just cooked. It's just gonna fuck
up again the the towns are I'm surprised it hasn't gotten fixed my stocking
exchange was well I mean I don't even remember that but also I still need a
level 20s searing pain curse of the elements at level 20 is that normal new
demon armor new emulate rain of fire new shadow bolt damn wait warlocks eat really
good at 20. They have a lot of high rank spells. Alright, start that out of here.
It's a non-PVP, or can you explain why Hunter is so good?
Range damage is king, and they can freezing trap while in combat, which is just really
good resets. So let's say a rogue is just beating the fuck out of you. You can just scattershot
and then freezing trap and just walk away. And then put a flare on them just to fucking
put salt in the wound. So even when the frost freezing trap breaks they're just stuck there
and cooked.
If you're really good, you can use Cheetah for 30% move speed.
If you get hit with Cheetah on, you get dazed, so you have to be really careful with how
you use it, but a rogue can't do shit.
If he'll throw his dagger or throwing weapon, you can easily just swap.
So you've got good movement, Viper's seeing completely decimates priests, here's draining
their man and they can't dispel it.
And you have more range than anyone else.
So if you're really good at max ranging people, you can hit them while they can't hit you.
So that's good.
And your damage is disgusting.
Not to mention the pets that you get in forever are fucking nuts.
You have a crocodile you can get, which is 50% healing reduction.
The only other class that can do that is warrior.
And it's the only reason all warriors kind of have to go arms is for the MS.
Rogues, wound poison, you're not ever going to stack it up to five.
So no other class can do it.
That might need to be trimmed a little bit.
50% reduced healing on 100 is nuts.
You can also get a bird, which can disarm.
The fact that you can disarm on a pet is kind of crazy.
If you can imagine a rogue opening on you
and you can disarm them while you're stunned it doesn't really matter
that's nuts
amongst spider has a five-second route
yeah that's pretty crazy
if five-second route may not mean much but usually when it comes to hunters
your best your win condition is to rush them down
and
basically
lock the hunter down to where they just take a lot of damage and die and they
you get out of the freezing trap or whatever and then
you kill them before they can freezing trap you again
to be able to get someone off of you for five seconds it adds up
hyena has a
nine second fifty percent slow
hunters are scary and again their damage is higher than anyone else that
shouldn't be slept on it's insane damage and it's
parking range
so in range damages king
so it makes hunter so good
can't you just root the pet?
as a druid, sure
but in general it's pretty fucking good
I think it is because I don't think it's going to be that hard to balance the PvE.
I don't.
So when it comes to people's concerns, it's not PVE.
It's PVP because they're worried about that.
So the people that do care about it
are being a little more outspoken.
Yeah, you're real knowledgeable on coding and that of the like, well it's just number tuning.
Am I wrong?
Let me see where everyone is.
Are there any quests for Wailing Caverns and Ratchet besides that dumb bottle shit?
I know there's Leaders of the Fang, you collect the hides, and then you have a quest to kill
a bunch of like, it's a kill quest. Is there anything else?
I think that might actually be it.
Raptor heads for a bag? Oh, there's that sizzle stick. I need that.
Let me check the journal, yeah, let me see.
Quests.
Six whaling essence obtained from Ratchet.
Okay, so the whaling essence and the port, glowing shards inside, okay.
Okay. I'm running grab ratchet quest really quick. An alliance quest? I don't think it
It is gamer but okay.
Maybe you're right, hold on.
Grail level 13, follow raptor horns.
Oh it follows after raptor horns, yeah okay it does have a pre-quest.
Alright fuck that, I'm not gonna get it.
How hard does this hit for?
Searing Pain.
Maybe Searing Pain is actually really good damage because of the fact that I have this
Searing Dagger.
I think it actually might be good for me to spam this.
Oh, causes a high amount of threat, maybe not.
Interesting.
Okay.
Would you recommend your chair?
I would.
uh... it's very expensive but it's really really nice out of all the chairs i've had
i do spend more time on this chair than i do any other fucking spot on planet earth
so
it can be a good investment
but it is like
fifteen hundred bucks
I also hate those gaming chairs. They're part as a rock. They're shit
Complete dog shit
I also hate Herman Miller chairs.
They are extremely uncomfortable unless you sit in them with good posture.
I don't sit with good posture.
I have my legs up like here's my fucking knee.
I just don't sit like that.
I know myself.
So it's my issue with Herman Miller.
That's the point I know.
I know that's the point and I know I'm not going to do it.
So I'm not a Herman Miller fan.
We should just wait. We should wait. It's no point.
You're hell bent on fucking up your back.
Maybe I am. Huh?
Okay, I don't think he's guys in my group and I'm following him.
Let's run back out.
You don't like them chairs because you have stage 36 scoliosis.
and
mouse, globe, globe, mouse, globe, mouse, beach, globe, mouse,
I just put a tungsten cube on top of my computer.
I'm hoping the weight stops the vibrating because it's making me feel like there's a
mosquito in my room at all times.
I don't want to open my computer while I'm streaming to fucking find out what it is
Think it actually stopped it, I think I got it
It's probably a fan. Yeah, I think it is too, but again the wait fixed it. I don't hear it
It's gonna take me eight minutes to get there you want to place no good not just take your time just run it's fine
Why do you own a tungsten cube?
Because my chat bought one.
Uh, I gave my chat, like,
a thousand or two thousand dollars,
and I said buy anything on Amazon,
and I just wanted to see what they would do.
They bought a tungsten cube. It's five hundred bucks.
It's actually kind of surreal holding it.
It's really heavy.
I think also, it sells for more than when I bought it.
so tungsten stocks have been increasing maybe I should be a tungsten
collector
and
show it on camera and see it
and fuck my
I don't want to mess with the hand
I put it in the perfect spot here
This is it. It is puny.
But it is really heavy.
Or how fucking small it is.
Maybe you can like see the weight with me bouncing it around.
I don't know if I can visually show you. You have to kind of feel it.
Just say the weight. I don't know.
I actually don't know how much it is.
But it's just weird that it's so dense.
It's like 8,000 pounds, something like that. I'm just fucking ripped.
Cough, cough, cough!
Nss, nss.
I'm going to give you a little bit of an example of what I'm going to be doing.
I'm going to give you an example of what I'm going to be doing.
Translated it literally means heavy rock
Pretty cool
Pretty gosh darn cool Wow
By the way, did I think I didn't turn some question
A lot of pots to why
Oh, yeah, I gotta turn this in outside.
But maybe I stick with the Searing Dagger.
Eight spell damage.
I think I like my Shearing Dagger.
Pretty good.
I also have to go to turn in a fright and whatever yeah there's another quest turning
you're right which gives me pretty good wrists or the knif to stand offhand I don't have
anything better man that's what I'm working with
It's a druid, enjoyer, but not a druid autist.
I think I'm going to level a druid third after at least ten legacy points.
I'll suffer a little less.
It's not that bad.
I mean, it's, it sucks, but it is just a few levels and you do get through them pretty
fucking quick.
I mean, your first class should just be whatever you're going to main.
Despite the leveling difficulty.
Plus, I think Drew had got a little better with the wrath buff leveling wise.
Leveling pretty quick is two whole days.
I think the average time to hit level 20 is, I looked it up.
time to hit level 20 classic wow it's 20 hours that's average I think it'll be
even faster and wow forever though like there is a average level and wow forever
speed but these are a lot of people that are just they're not even trying to
level because they know that 20 is like the max so they just don't care and
they're just doing professions and I do think you hit level 20 the average will
be like 15 hours and wow forever maybe less
Exploring yeah, you mean slower? Maybe?
The average is the same there will always be people doing professions and others I think it's amplified
in wow forever as opposed to retail no I think the stats are skewed I think you
level faster and wow forever
by a lot actually like 30% faster something like that I think these stats
here that I'm looking at how it's 20.4 in classic era and 20.5 and wow forever I
think this is wrong I think it will be faster by a significant margin to do
Wow forever on actual release once everything's like all the people have an understanding of the professions
They're not sitting there reading all the new talents. They're not sitting there
They might still do it a little bit, but they damn well didn't do it on classic wow era. It should not
While forever will be faster
Unless significant changes happen
I
Wanted to be faster. Okay, yeah, I don't fucking care that much I
Don't want it to be that much faster
There is a point where it's just too fast
You should do SFK and BFD runs for the Warlock 14 Sam and Pant, don't care.
I'm hitting level 20 after this and I'm logging off and I'm gonna make a new class.
I'm thinking Shaman or Paladin or Mage or Priest, maybe a Warrior.
One of those classes.
a rogue? No, I have no interest in a rogue. It's one class that I actually have no interest in.
All right, what I
Why are you not interested in Rogue? It's my favorite class.
Well, I don't like how cooldown dependent they are.
I like a level of consistency.
That's number one.
And number two, I feel like not really anything is new with them pre-20.
So, pass.
What's new for them after 20 decent amount?
I mean mutilate looks pretty cool.
There's a couple of sub talents that look pretty neat.
Combat looks pretty boring and bland, but I've never really.
We just had someone DC.
a lot of damn here. I'm blasting for a warlock kind of weapon is this Hunter
half at that blue bow to keep it up with a fucking Hunter keep doing these big
pulls here. You're probably soul stone by the way. As it works.
I make a little health stone.
I've never played WoW, should I try WoW forever?
Sure, why not?
You want to play WoW?
Now's the time to do it.
I mean, I don't think there's a better time to do it.
It's the only time that it's not completely solved.
There are some things that are kind of already solved-ish
just because we can see all the talents and stuff like that,
but most of it's not.
A lot of it's also undiscovered.
We don't know how much it's going to change things.
It's the most unsolved wow will ever be
And again even if it's all two cares just fucking play log in gamer
I like how you think they pull the rug out and change all the talents before release.
Unlikely.
Unfucking likely.
Maybe there will be a massive change that they do, but I mean, the play styles are probably
set in stone.
That would be amazing. I don't know, um, like, so mages don't have fingers across, they're
just gonna kind of April fools us by baiting. Well, now they have to replace it with something
else. So you expect them to have came up with multiple different rotation types while trying
also keep it like classic feel doing two times the work I just no this is
ridiculous not happening
What time's poker? Two hours from now.
I think there's a match between Wubby and Botez in 23 minutes.
The winner of that is, well, they go on to the finals.
And the loser goes to the losers bracket.
Yeah, Bota's actually played poker.
Apparently she's won poker in tournaments or won money in like poker tournaments and
shit.
So not ideal for me considering I'm a complete fucking noob.
not really ideal for anyone.
The way I'm kind of seeing it is I think Bo-Tes just auto wins.
Um, what does an auto win, but my only chance of beating her is to just get luckier
Like way luckier, I think that's kind of the case for everyone going against her
Is what it is
But could be Tyler think I got a shot at that in the try and that's seventy five thousand dollars. I went
She's a butt plug
what if they check my ass then what
Uh-oh.
the pool we've got here.
Okay, Anibalize, how long till the match?
Two hours.
I
This is 75 plus 25 or plus 75 it's plus 75 so I won 50k from beating Felix
And I win 75k more so like 125k total if I beat Tyler today
So total 125 thousand dollars I win kind of fucking crazy
So yeah, I do want to try and win that
If I were to beat boat as it's just probably just gonna win it is what it is
But if I did win it'd be plus another hundred and twenty so like 250,000 total
So you give us anything if you win?
I will not.
That will be going straight to my investments.
And my retirement fund?
That's exactly where it's going.
It's a fucking loopy.
Well, there you go.
Was it noticeable?
Did you miss me?
When do you plan to stop streaming forever?
I don't know.
I don't know, we played League together, he didn't bring it up.
Every time I enter an instance, my game DCs.
That's weird.
What are you investing?
I have someone who does it for me.
And I do low risk investing.
Or it's not low, it's like,
They showed me one of those like noob charts for people that don't know shit and they were like how risky do you want to be it was like
It wasn't low risk, but it was like low medium. I think something like that
Some of y'all maybe have had those kind of like investor meetings that I've had
And yeah, it's like one of those low medium things
And it's yeah
Imagine not going high risk. I mean, it's no point
Me like I guess but again, I'm just trying to get to the
The good old I'm good. Oh
Oh, no, I need I
Something came up. I got to pay for this. I'm good
Kids have their own their each their own bedroom kid wants to go to medical school got it
It's just maybe I kids my kid is successful and smart
Please, uh, paid for, handled.
And then everything past that is just not that necessary.
Kids confirmed?
Oh, he knows.
Oh my god, leggings of the fang, you lucky dogs.
Make sure you loot their gem if you have the quest.
if a kid wants to become a wow streamer I don't know I don't know about that
well thinking about raising kids right now just like I don't know how the other
streamers do it like I don't know how Tyler does it I guess he's got Mikaela
It's like you sit there and stream for eight hours at it's R.E.U. as well.
It seems like such a time sink having a child it really does.
I'm sure they'll say it's worth it and maybe it is I don't have kids but god it
seems like a massive time sink it's crazy.
Any sleepless nights, yeah, I mean, I'd imagine.
Cane plus nine star firepants
If you're explaining it like a time-sink, maybe you shouldn't have kids. No, you're right. I definitely shouldn't have kids right now
You're absolutely correct
But, if I were to change the mindset and be like, you know what, it's kids time.
No, just do it?
Okay.
Alright.
I'm prepared to come over and act like a massive man baby so you can do a test run.
Okay, sure.
Wake me up in the middle of the night, too.
A couple of beta testing of the child.
Ah, fuck.
Jesus, dogs, relax.
Just barge through my doggy door.
Okay, our paladin's having a rough time.
Oh my god.
these rejuveners getting some crazy value
we're splitting our damage a little too much here
Is it worth emulating?
Ah, 2 second cast for 73 damage.
I think it actually is.
Yeah, if I get the full emulate off it is worth hitting.
I've been maxing a 20 dungeon, it's not that hard.
Three buttons.
I like seeing what's worth doing.
Just go Destro.
actually could be pretty good. Just shadowbolting people. I think you also get a new rank of
Shadowbolt at 20. So it's gonna be doing some serious damage.
That's how I checked. Destro was Wrath at times. I hope Destro is actually the
best spec for PvE for Warlock. I might actually play a Warlock if Destro is
legit a spec that people play. Oh, I love Destro being good. I hope it is.
I think it's such a cool speck
Destro's boring as fuck
I mean, I feel like it's all boring as fuck and that if you're gonna go with that route
Like instant conflags and instant shadow burns are so cool
It's so boring to hit Shadowbolt over and over.
Alright, it's so boring to just keep up three dots and then hit Shadowbolt over and over.
I mean, you do still dot management, I feel like, as a desk droke, it's not as much.
But yeah, you're keeping up your emulate
You're incinerating because can flags still take your emulate away so you'd have to reapply it
Havoc seems awesome too
That town seems so cool
Afflicts the target five minutes causing the result of all damage done by the warlock
To other targets to also be dealt to the curse target. So I
I think it's cool.
Just gaining that extra cleave.
No shadow fury has me a little worried though.
I don't think you can really play this outside of raid.
Maybe succubus pet helps you out.
Yeah, no shadow fury is iffy.
That's why there's dual spec.
Yeah, I guess.
I like Destro and PDP too.
All right, this is a very big pool we're gonna be a little scared here
Make sure we get some dispells on those sleeps on the paladin. He's yep. There you go
Put some curses up.
The boss reset by the way.
How?
How'd that even happen?
about cobrack and drake dog didn't they both play deestro and vanilla they did
and I don't know about cobrack he was like he came in later but remember they
were going against really bad players everyone was extremely clueless back
then in 2004 nowadays like players are a little bit better so you play deestro
So you kind of just die, you can't get a cast off, it is what it is, it just feels bad.
You could just hit the sin dot.
Look at that slither cord, huh?
I mean, that's a PvP item
I'll take a need stab at that
New belt it's the spider belt, but it's obtainable at a lower level
So in a level 30 dueling tournament, I think we're gonna see a lot of uh rogues wearing this and warriors
Maybe even paladins
Actually
Like they have freedom, but you usually get abused they'll probably still want this belt for when they're fighting mages
No magic to spell 30 minute CD it's all takes
Utilities King
Do you see people are farming the timber mall rep for the trinket?
Yeah.
Fuck, I didn't even think about that.
Oh shit.
Are you able to get the furloughbog medicine pouch at 30 you are?
And AGM. Oh my god.
Blueboss. Oh my god you're right. T.Y. Gamer.
Fucking right. I didn't loot the gem.
World Wind Axe, yeah, Warriors have World Wind Axe, but the class itself is just kind
of cooked.
Warriors have never really been good at dueling, and I don't know how you can fix that.
Maybe they spec Fury and they get the immobilization removal.
I think they can get that.
Preserker Rage removes immobilizing effects.
Maybe that could help them out a bit, but I don't think it does enough.
Sony did.
Sony did well when the rulesets were in here.
The rulesets were literally adjusted to buff warrior and make it a viable class.
They were allowed to use free action potions.
Warriors can be really good when you allow everything in the game.
They can get up there.
They're gonna be scary.
How are you going to farm Timber Mall rep at a low level?
Well, this is a streamer advantage, but I think what you're going to have to do is I'm
going to need a fuck ton of level 30 stream helpers on hunters in particular because hunters
can hit higher levels, there's no glancing blows for them, and you basically kill Timbermaugh
in a massive fucking raid of hunters. That's hella cringe. It is. But if others do it,
I have to do it, right? It is how it is. Maybe they ban it. I'd be okay with that. Ban it.
should be a massive, if I did it my way, I would have a massive list of banned items.
Because I don't need to see how this shit plays out. But then again, you know, a lot
of other players that don't know the game at all want to see things played out and no
rules, everything allowed. I mean, yeah, I guess. Here we go, though. That's what that
means.
I don't think they're gonna have that.
The damage on your Undead Racial?
Actually curious, yeah.
Red racial has been 4% of my damage so far.
That's pretty good.
that in that extra four percent end game now you're right.
You're absolutely right.
on a warlock where you get a fuck ton of stamina gear.
Um, it'll be even stronger for warlock since the damage is based off of your HP, right?
Compare that to 2% crit.
So humans and humans have to wear swords to get it.
Okay, we've lost our pallet in here, not ideal.
Fuck.
Dude, I'm sneezing, oh shit.
Dude, I have fucking shit cocks.
Hello puppy hello puppy oh hello hello puppy boy oh my gosh
that's pretty gay well true all right yeah your dogs
are you growing out your beard or are you just being lazy?
I'm being lazy.
I need to trim my beard it's fucking awful.
your laziness
You're spamming this link. What are we linking here?
That is Louis
I'll just give it to you, I love skipping.
Okay.
Interesting.
She's taking everything?
What the fuck?
Uh oh.
Well, let's try not to stack here. Oh, I'm doing a lot of damage, I will say.
Don't sleep me. Will it forsaken? I can't waft this shit?
Oh, you got to heal this guy, I don't blame you.
didn't give me a charge, huh?
Is he still Soul Stone?
No, he is not.
The dogs are behind me.
Hippie Kota and Louie, all three of them.
It's a zoo in this house, it truly is.
I'm not going to finish that quest.
For this one, how much do I need?
How much do I have?
Yeah, I need 13 more deviant hides.
It's just not gonna happen, I don't think.
Do we trade hides? No you cannot.
Cemetery is cooked, jesus.
You can skin them. Yeah, but I'm not skinning
Are you still rocking your Razor Nog and what sort of keybinds do you do to it?
Meow.
I do still use Razor Naga, but I would not...
I would tell everyone to not use one.
Or any mouse that has a bunch of buttons on the side.
I think binding things, you can have one binding on your mouse, which is fine.
But everything past that is just kind of making you dependent on that mouse
from there on, and it's not a good call.
so what okay no by all means but then you're using a fucking MMO mouse for
shooters it's just not ideal I recommend not maybe two bindings sure it might be a
little out of touch because I've only ever been on a razor Naga I don't know
how many buttons your mice typically have
Ah, 6 Agi and Damage and Healing 7.
I will use that, TBH.
Um, but the buttons I put on my mouse are...
Hold on, let me...
We still need to kill Lady Anacondria, by the way.
Oh my god, fuck.
I have my bindings for target myself. I can show them in a bit. Let me kill this fuck first. She's at the start. Yeah
half his chatter just boss copy pasting each other's messages it's true absolutely right
Oh my god.
Okay, down goes our hunter.
Yikes.
Oh god.
Big bop? Okay, I'm smiting.
Or searing pain? Fuck it.
Massive pump.
Damn! 45, actually this weapon kind of sucks.
The maze is just better. So, unlucky. Shit item.
So, my bindings on my mouse, this is cringe, but who cares?
I've got this Razor Naga here, right?
You've got all these buttons.
And so, this targets myself, and then this targets party member 2, and that targets party
member 3, the back button.
That's for Arena, since the game is mainly 3v3 oriented.
Even if I hold SHIFT and hit those buttons, it does the same thing, but it targets the
enemy team, party 1 through 3, obviously worthless and classic.
And then if I hold CONTROL, it does the same thing, but it sets enemy targets number 1
through 3 to my focus.
And then I have this bound to 9.
This is where my regive goes, and then SHIFT 9, so I can hit it while on form.
poison is shift 8. Uh, D-Curse is shift 7. Funnily enough, nothing is bound to 7. 8 is
usually like my kick binding if I ever have a kick. So, counterspell, kick, pummel, things
like that will be bound to 8. I don't really use 1 through 6 on my mouse. I only actually
six buttons and then I also bind my forms to scrolling up and down on my
mouse if I hold shift and scroll down it's travel if I scroll down it's bear
if I scroll up it's cat if I shift scroll up it's moon can form control
scroll down is aquatic form and control scroll up would be flight form
What's my bindings?
Shift 9.
Again, it's my mouse button.
Psychopath bindings.
You want to get more psychotic?
So the problem with having cat form bound to scroll up is let's say I'm fighting a
Hunter and they start casting scare beast on me. I need to shift out of cat form
There's no spells. I want to press I don't want to hit read you for anything like that
So I need another key binding for cat form
another one and
Because if I scroll up, it's gonna take me out and put me back in right
So the binding I use are my alternative alternative binding for cat form is control G
My alternative binding for travel is control 5
And my alternative binding for bear is control V
I think I might have just not given a fuck at the time and I was out of bindings and I just said fuck it
I just made that a binding and I just got used to it. I guess
Would not recommend and I'm not really big on alt modifiers
I got all my alt modifiers are like well actually I got a couple so you know I
can target one through three on my mouse yeah I'm like I'm hitting my mouse
right now one through three in order to hit party member four and five it's alt
one and alt two
Little fucking cooked.
You get used to it, though.
Fucking awkward.
Cancel for macro?
Sure, you can make it cancel for macro, but you still have to bind it to something.
Now you can see I have my demon skin my camera's covering it, but demon skin is bound to alt Q
Mark of the wild would be alt Q and thorns would be alt E
Alt was the last modifier I threw into my rotation, so never make fun of Grayson's out six ice block again
to be fair alt six is like an insane binding for something as
as regularly used as like ice block.
Like, again, most of the time I shift out.
I'm shifting out by pressing one of my healing spells, like rejuve.
It's only under the conditions that I'm going against either a druid that is hibernating me
or a hunter that is scared-beasting me, and I don't want to rejuve myself on top of that.
So it's under very very particular conditions
Or I'm going to honestly my weirdest binding is the fact that travel form is control 5
Because there's a lot of times where I have to shift out and in and do a lot of weird gimmicky shut shit in classic wow with travel
5 is cooked, it's control 5.
That is probably my most insane binding, because I do hit my alternate, again I can hold shift
scroll down to go into travel or to go out of travel and back into it quickly. I
can do that but yeah the alternative binding is cooked.
All right. Oh I won those gloves I didn't realize.
Alright, we gotta go grab the escort.
I use a skimitar basically in aga and your bindings are cooked
Okay
I used to use a skimitar for a long time. I don't
I think I stopped that I went back to the razor in aga because my best buy that was near me wasn't selling skimitars
They were only selling razor nagas
That just pissed me off
I mean, they're all the same fucking thing, honestly.
I don't think Farrell should have been isolated damage, but jump between enemies and Boomkin should control terrain like creating a minefield.
Do you think that would be a good change?
What do you mean?
Oh, Farrell should have big isolated damage, but jump between enemies and Boomkin should control terrain.
Uh, I don't know about that.
Control terrain?
What are you going to bring back Cataclysm shrooms?
I think Feralze are going to have higher single target, but balanced is better multi-targeting
with multi-dining and stuff bring back symbiosis no they don't need to bring
that back it's okay how difficult was he get to use to the side buttons I don't
No, no, it's been a long time.
It was a little AIDS.
I remember, like the time I started using side buttons
was when I was trying to push for rank one in Cata.
And I really wanted to keep on targeting my teammates.
It really was difficult to get out of the habit
of just clicking the frames.
Like that was not fun.
It took a while.
your single target should be really strong or maybe you're I mean if you go blade flurry
right? Your two target damage should be really strong.
Rooks should have more button suppress other than center strike, slice and dice and eviscerate.
Don't you? Have more than that. Adrenaline rush, rupture, expose armor, vanish,
paroding mid-fight, blade flurry. You have a pretty good amount of buttons. Kicks.
Especially with the fact that you can swap targets, kick, and then go back to your main target and
still have your combo points. Sunder is greater than expose. Okay, take expose out, whatever.
Adrenaline rush is full combat. Okay, let's go to what is it?
Assassination
You have venom you've got slice and dice. I don't know if you use rupture
Mutilate as your actual combo pointer. I mean that's already more buttons than most other classes
What do you what do you want? I feel like rogues have a pretty good fun
DPS system, and then you're also weaving in vanishes and garrots, or maybe ambush since your assassination.
Two buffs as combo point finishers feels bad.
That's it!
And then you're stacking five deadly. Maybe play sub then, or go combat.
someone's mowing the lawn poisons and bleeds crit now assassin should be good
I think so too I think it's cool
Is Rogue still have the poison pool that proxmen are enemies on retail?
No.
It's three leveling busted class, I'm actually a hunter.
I have a hunter, it's level 10.
I was kinda saving him to quest with Viki, we're playing off stream.
I think she just got level 10 and then we had to go to sleep and today I think is a
really long stream so we don't get to play tonight either but tomorrow I might log in.
Mali Hunter is looking juicy and forever. I don't think it is.
It's just kind of sucks that Farrell has very little ways to scale bleeds.
Retail hates strong.gameplay. It's always shred-bite gameplay.
Uh, I think RIP is gonna be worth using now.
Uh, but you're right. It is kind of just how it is.
I mean, RIP is also worth hitting at this point.
So, and doesn't RIP scale with your AP?
So does RIP?
I think both do, in general.
I think this is the slime pool.
Yep.
You know what I wish they would add?
If you have the full fang set as a druid and you show up in here, you can commune with
some type of druidic snake god and someone a unique boss.
Uh oh.
I don't know what that boss should drop.
That's up for a different debate, but I do think there should be some value outside of the snake form added.
Then I could sit here, selling snake runs, or snake summoning, I don't know.
Drops a wow token.
Yeah, the snake set is essentially worthless on live.
No one's gonna get the 5 set, you can't transmog it to be a snake.
Um...
The only, again, the only value is to farm it and then sit in the city as a snake.
Oh, this guy's immune to shit? He's just immune to everything, the fuck?
Guess he's immune to shadow. Alright, searing pain. I'm gonna pull threat. Good luck.
I'm not pulling thread I guess.
It's a fucking loser. Ah, I'm pulling threat.
Ooh.
Interesting shul- my god. Seven Shadowdamage Gloves too.
Interesting drops here.
Minus six silver.
Minus six copper.
I don't know if these are better than the encrusted shoulders
The ones you literally just turn Jesus fuck dogs grab this fuck this with this old read that all right
GGs gamers GGs
actually I'm just gonna hearth out of here no I'm not
her class who would you say is the most who would you were the most iconic
players. Wreckful Rogue or Swifty Warrior? Probably Wreckful Rogue, I think is the most
iconic. Uh, I mean it depends on who you ask. I think probably Wreckful. We'll give
it to him. I think Wreckful with his PvP video reached beyond like the WoW player base, but
Swifty was pretty big in the WoW world. Especially during a time where it was impossible to be
known in a while like you can only be known on Warcraft movies YouTube didn't
even exist yet. Shard quest from boss. Are you talking about the glowing shard
that I have in my bags? It's okay calm down relax. 50 band video maybe you're
right. It's a tough one.
It is a tough one.
Oh, meant for each class?
Oh, Wreckful Rogue.
Swiftie Warrior?
Yeah, it actually is probably Swiftie Warrior.
It'd probably be me, Druid.
Mage, I might go Vertny, I think I just died here by the way, it's fine.
Lay on hands, okay.
I mean, Vertny might not be, yeah, Vertny might be iconic.
I don't know, Mitch?
I don't think Mitch, no. I think I would uh...
I don't think Ziko, is R.E.U.?
Again, I'm thinking like, I think Vrtany, a lot of y'all just don't know Vrtany, but he was a very iconic player back in the day and that lasted a long fucking time.
It's the same with Swiftie, on Warrior.
maybe maybe I'm just kind of living in an nostalgic world and it didn't
actually impact people I don't know Ben Rookie down goes Ben Rookie yeah that's
big they just tough there's a lot of options to pick there
warlock I want to say snuts but I don't think snuts was like that big during a
lot of like other like Drake dog is another vert is it's a vertni situation right
such as just known I think like now for all the classic tournaments he's won and
he also played in blizzcon and stuff we're not talking about who the best is
though right that's not what we're talking about I think I'd go Drake dog
Priest, it's Hydra
Shaman might be Seidu. I don't know a lot of shamans out there
It's actually a pretty underplayed class I think
Yeah, I might be Seidu I think
Pre- I already said Hydra's Priest, what else is there?
Hunter? Ooh, who do I pick for Hunter?
I feel like Hunter doesn't have a whole lot here.
Braindeadly? Maybe?
I don't know. Crip? No.
No? Bean? No? Homer J? Yeah, he's insane at the game, but I don't think he really surpassed,
like, outside of the private server community. I don't know. I actually don't know. Joanna?
Joe Anna leveling guide. Fuck, imagine that. Yeah.
Paladin? Yeah, it's gotta be a Thien. It's a Thien on Paladin. It's not even a question.
What are the classes are there?
Hey, that's it.
Hey, that's it.
S-Fan?
No.
Not S-Fan.
Again, like, this is so recent.
Yeah, I'd go with Thien.
What about Bajira?
I think Swiftie was more iconic than Bajira, and I love Jackson, but yeah.
I think the only one that's a little up in the air is probably Mage.
I think Mage can be debatable.
And there's another class, Shaman.
might be a more unbreakable as a shaman maybe but no I think CD surpasses that
yeah that
and oh yeah hunter hunter is the one I don't know I don't think there's any super iconic
hunter names out there there's a lot but to the level of the other classes I listed no there's not
they're either just big in the private server community or they're known hunters now but it's
such a small timescale
jelly beans
i don't think so
hunters fucking suck that's why i do have the players in the iconic list i just
lit they all suck
they were just
good at the time or they're just known iconic players
like a theme was literally just trolling.
You spoke how you wanted to feel excited about Walford to be good, do you feel that way so far with Forever?
Yeah, no again what I'm excited. I mean I already liked Wow
I'm just excited for other people to be excited it makes me happy
I like when the world is cared about the game just all of a sudden becomes fun
But you know it's level 20 beta I'm not gonna pretend like I don't know what the fuck this is
is I'm actually paying to banatize test the unbalanced game right now. That's what this
is. I don't care about that. I do. I care about what other people around me give a shit about.
You know, if I do anything cool in the world, I won't be completely overwhelmed with a wave
of who fucking cares.
Oh my god, Leroy.
Dude, you know what? I might have to- you're fucking right.
Leroy, I think, might be more iconic.
But I don't know if Leroy is an iconic paladin outside of just an iconic name.
I don't think anyone cares that he was a paladin at the end of the day.
Athene is the paladin, right?
I think he is, okay.
Alright, I mean, he is up for debate, I guess.
Good
Wow Hobbes, I don't think Wow Hobbes was as known as the competitors or people he's being compared to
Wow Hobbes at the time was like deeper internet knowledge of Wow stuff Hansel
Now Hansel was I think he had a YouTube shining moment in like cataclysm and stuff
That was pretty much it. I fucking know all these names. I'm actually such a loser
Congen is warrior. I never heard of Congen when I played classic. I
Didn't learn about Congen until mop when he beat me in view count out of fucking who the fucks this random Swedish guy
It was so mad I was so happy I was like number one in the wild section for the first time ever and then I got beaten I
I
Didn't know who the fire like really this many people care about PvE
That's that was essentially my reaction and he's actually the sweetest guy ever. There's one of my favorite people to hang out with a dream
Turns out no one cares about PvP and retail you're right. I was in my bubble
To be fair though, on Twitch at the time, the only thing that was cared about was PvP.
I mean, the entirety of class or cataclysm was just PvP streamers all the way down.
So you can imagine how my world was just PvP.
Even on Twitch, it was just, and then again, no one watched PvE.
the tables turned. Or they tabled.
Didn't buff your fellow whore with what?
A druid you mentioned is gigawashed. Name another druid. So true, based.
I
Iconic druid of course not myself
Hmm
I mean I can think of different names
I just don't know if they are like Matt like there's hoted there's so there's soda not me different soda
He played in BlizzCon and stuff, but again, I don't think they reached like these crate like I could have said pukes for mage in that case, right?
Supa teas again, no, I don't think so
Been poiké
Poiké's a pretty known druid. Yeah, that's a good one
But again, I don't think
It's not a work. I just hate that a lot of people might take this as who I'm saying the best players are it's not what this is
I don't know who else if the fat cow was really big that was a big motivation to me
But I don't think it was that popular streamers right now are PVPing in Wow
The biggest thing holding forever back is going to be the developers not giving a dumb
Retail devs have sabotaged PVP for years
Yeah, it's true
I mean, also the community shits on it all the time too, they just, I hate PvP.
Some of that, and maybe I'm wrong, but I think a lot of that is people just hate it because
they fucking lose a 1v1 and they just get really mad, their ego is completely hurt,
and their answer to it is, I just don't care about it, so it's like I didn't lose.
And maybe there might be a little bit of that going on.
But also, you know, most players don't play for PvP, especially not initially.
But yeah, you look at what people actually watch on Twitch, it's mainly PvP stuff.
Whether you PVP or not, that's the advertising your game actually gains.
In the current world of 2026, that's super fucking important.
And it sucks, but it's reality.
So you should care about it.
It affects the game.
And if you let the game die on Twitch, the game slowly bleeds out.
Less people can care.
It sucks, but I tell you, it's actually how that kind of stuff works.
So yeah, PVP does matter for everyone.
PVP is neglected in every MMO, not just WoW, because it's fucking impossible.
Like Final Fantasy, I have no interest in playing Final Fantasy because I think the
PVP is just a massive sleeper fest.
I've been told I'm wrong there, but I just haven't seen anything.
It's so bad.
Yeah, I don't know.
I didn't even know it had pvp on it. I don't know. It's been a huge turn off to me
Go to worse 2 pvp isn't bad. I never got deep into it
But I remember I really didn't enjoy I did not enjoy the class I was playing
But I was locked into it and I also didn't like this
executing mechanic like when you down someone you had to cast like a 10 second
channel to execute it's like being downed in fortnight it's weird I don't I think
they got rid of that though regardless I don't know it's a long time ago I
probably played five expansions ago
well as you leave trisfall go to the barrens level 10 I left tears fall
glades is trash maybe recid XP or some sweat can optimize the zone but just
looking at the map I thought this sucks I left I fuck that dude you're having me
run like five years to Africa to kill 10 random humans wrong as hell okay speed
levelers can fucking prove me wrong now the taran area this place mogor is
fucking crazy good big fan of this and I'll be honest I'm also a big fan of the
troll orc starting area undead starting area I wasn't into it
when I do poker in 45 minutes I'm so not mentally ready oh your sitarine
I think Moldgor is actually one of the best leveling spots when it comes to like speed
Here's fall I would concede it might be second to a speed level or if they actually optimize it
But I think Moldgor might be number one
Is it clear
Okay
I
Brilliant I oh what the fuck is that?
Duck sauce hunter no, I don't think so duck sauce was kind of a
Dude he had his wave. I wouldn't say that's iconic for hunter
Two to two to two.
Tyler's practicing poker.
Is he actually practicing right now?
Let me see this guy.
He's in league.
What are we talking about?
all right level 20 like a glove I'm not gonna turn this in yet because I don't plan on playing
this warlock I'll turn that in later all right log out GG hit 20 next character
Maybe I should watch that poker match actually.
Maybe I shouldn't start a character yet and just wait.
Let's vote Bo-Tez live.
Okay.
Ace Jack.
Yeah.
Ace Jack
Wait he beat her let's let's chalk that up to luck. I would have gone in with your two pairs wall
You had to it was so late
It's best out of three by the way
Oh look there's our fucking table Tyler for soda poppin look at that that was I mean yeah
I mean you haven't figured out you saw the card so I feel comfortable talking about it
yeah I wasn't sure if I should hunt it down I thought I had enough of the chip lead to
go for it and I got lucky all right where's Wubby we go again pay money Wubby I'm hitting
register our mark the fuck is his background I came into this tonight
saying I need one win and I'm satisfied okay thank you all right is it one one
or is it one oh you know him
yeah Doug pull the fucking professional poker player is her
friend okay yeah what a heartfelt moment here
Add near the repertoire when you're in another
It seems like you're going to be added into the repertoire this is your poker debut
Stream I'm gonna pause it. I am done with wow for the day everybody. I am locked into poker. I could win
Well today I could literally win
200 thousand dollars assuming I win two poker matches in a row
Is how much I could win
today
So I'm gonna watch this match
Or I could win nothing. I already won 50k, but yeah
I'll be on wow tomorrow
But wow is done for the day
either way guys this is
Whoever wins this well, there's a losers and winners bracket. That's fine. I'm gonna one be one one of these people whether I win or lose
I close out and you get two shots to do it
So I want to watch this certainly aggressive, and I don't have time to make a character already ballooning up here
And Boat has one now to pair the cards jump there, so I was like, yeah, I don't know what to say, but we got it
Everything is correct now. Now it goes a poker place right near iron for shame with a couple of other guys
Of course he does of stuff going on. We got people live
We got a boat has started the double ace cards that are on delay. We got cards live. We have ships
we've got that's really all these gave up pocket aces but we have to get it right
and sometimes it just takes time these things take time poker streams are like
a fine bottle of wine I don't need to read his chat have to be 21 to play all
right two pair here for Wubby bottom two I imagine we're gonna see him bump it up
But he could slow play got options. Nope, we're bumping it up
She called that she calls that she doesn't have anything
Botez with the bet call
Wait, I feel like we've seen a lot of this spot for Botez
She's got a not very good hand and face. Does she call that or she folds? She has nothing for wubby
She folds okay
One of the best hands you can get in koga
But I feel like we've had a lot of these situations where Botez has
a
pretty weak hand against mid-raised and what about chatters cheating but it's
when it's my turn to play i'm streaming to a server right now so my stream won't go offline
but i'm going to have to set a three minute delay to my stream so
yeah a couple pretty weak hands on the
four for botan pocket two for wubby who needs to win one of the next two matches to take it down
botan has to run them both back to back is it best of three or is it best of five now
the finals.
He's still best of three.
This best of three. Okay.
4 2 suited versus 8 7 off suited.
Go test checks.
I can't tell what they have to like look to see what they have.
No one has anything do that.
And not that much for Boathead.
Of course, you can turn some straight draws.
A six gives her an open ender.
Ten, nine, four all give her gut shot straight draws, but she makes a prudent lay down on
the flop despite being good.
You know, the thing of poker sometimes.
What the fuck they're going to profitably bluff you.
Right.
Sometimes they're gonna bluff and you're gonna have to simply fold. I
Know that from playing with Texas Mike
Ace King for Wubby here on the button. Oh my god for you flop
He's gonna raise
Okay, that makes the call. We take a flop. Oh
six five a
Very nice flop here for what I'm kind of going for Wubby. It'd be kind of hard to get paid though
You got top pair top kicker
I want Wubby to win because I think he's an easier opponent than Botez.
I tried to flip the flop, she does, we take a turn.
And yeah, on the Queen, it's going to be hard to find too many Morch chips in this pot, I imagine.
Maybe he can get her to call the turn, is it possible?
Sexist, well, Botez is like good at poker.
She's the only one in this tournament who knows how to play.
Turnfold gets away from it.
So, yeah.
And that's going to be it.
I'm also sexist. Let's that's true, but that's not my reasonings here
King ace again Jesus for Botez
Swapping positions here on these big pre-bop hands. What he makes the call with a six
Queen jack five a
Broadway straight draw here
Otherwise, oh
Thanks for the gifted subs. What up? I'm studying my competition. I'm cheating
You can kind of see Wubby style a little bit.
He's being pretty selective with if I'm going to play,
I'm going to play it aggressive and I'm going to barrel some streets,
which I can appreciate.
And then we can see Boataz is kind of fighting back by calling Wubby
in a lot of these pocket parathrees with some weak hands,
some strong hands like with that seven four hand she had earlier.
That was a big pot.
So yeah, we do have a match of styles going on here.
And I kind of expect to continue to see that.
Wubby betting and raising in situations and then Boat has sort of playing defense
Everything I do five teams that direction, but again poker can obviously swap situations pretty easily
Then everyone has a shithead hands so often change
If the right the right runouts happen back to this hand just king high vs jack high
But who pair of jacks does she do anything until the turn Boat has turning a pair of jacks
She calls that's the turn Boat has now calls
Okay, she wins this oh
No
It's not she fold does she fold she has a better hand does she fold she calls it's over
She makes the call
And a pair of Jacks will win
It's exactly what I'm talking about Wubby to be fair your biggest deals was making XCC fold with nothing most of the time
I think I had better hands than Felix when I played
She correctly decided I think it's got luckier have it makes the call wins a big pot
And now has a healthy chip lead here in the second match
First game for sure second was close well again, he was beating me in the second game
Until I got that insanely lucky straight that he all in Don and then he just rage bet
So I was losing when we had
Fair hands in that in that case
6040 here in terms of chip stacks
So I'm not good at this game. I know I'm not good at this game
Oh shit, you can get a straight with a king
But she loses she loses if it doesn't get a king right or a 10 slash Jack
Oh, she loses
Go Wubby
Surely he doesn't bet with two twos though. He has to fold her
Check sit boat has bluff. She calls it over bloody check calls
Was that brilliantly played or was that stupid wow I would never go in with two twos versus that you lose to every other
Pair in the game
That was just a beautiful hand he got value with pockets
He was with four over cards, and then the river came he said I make more if I check call this
What a play. I don't think I would have made that play. That was a very nice read. He didn't even
think about that. He's like, this is a bluff. I call. If Wabi was coaching pair of six versus
a pair of twos right now, I wish he had the I'm so bad at seeing what you actually have without
it telling you like here and here. I feel like due calculations and by the time I fucking realize
what's going on, the fucking hand is over much to river to I'm slow in that hand.
But that was the first pot with Wubby in the pocket too, is where we saw sort of a flip
position where Botez was firing your Rizzo Bluff and Wubby was going for the check call.
Smooth brain, stupid and fat, okay, I'm doing my best here, relax, oh, uh-oh.
Pocket Kings for Botez, he gets a walk, you never want to get a walk with Pocket Kings,
it hurts the soul.
What is a walk?
The other person just folds instantly, doesn't even play.
Unfortunate.
Let's see what these guys are talking about.
Let's listen to the players for a sec here.
First game.
And that one, I was like, no, I'll never see those again.
Okay.
It's a big bet instantly pair of eights
Okay queen ace first pair of eights he just needs a queen or an ace here and it's GG
Queen or an ace
Come on Wubby come on Wubby get the fucking luck on your side. Oh god
No
Barrel the turn
She's still good with her pocket eights like no pair can beat her. It's oh
No
Now she can be scared of the jack, but oh
Man
Was he what's straight
What's straight is he talking about even Doug's confused? What are you talking about? What's straight?
But the five, but that would have been a straight for everyone.
Right?
Am I crazy?
Oh, he's lying to her.
No, she would see his hand.
Wubby was no longer chasing a straight of five.
Everyone had the straight.
It was on the board.
Okay.
I'm right.
I feel smart now, but I know things club in his hand did not have the
first race can be a one to see Wubby consider jamming the river.
I want to really put out a tough spot. Just pocket eights there. I
Actually don't know how it would have gone, but
We're giving him a shot to win that one that said if he got called it would have busted his tournament life. He's cooked here. I
Guess it seems like a prudent enough
Give up. I think you should jam you got a club. Why not? You got you got a place in poker
You got to take some swings, but what he has been doing that today in his defense
And it's good to occasionally be given up with some hands. You might want to fire. So I think it's fine
Blinds are now six hundred twelve hundred they keep going up
Boat has three don't want ship lead in a nice pair of eights wins. He wins this he wins this he wins this
He still wins this it's over massive bet all in by be all in please somebody tell him
We'll see how this goes
Can she close it out? Oh, she bet she's locked in
The river here on this forest rate
The previous spot to bluff a jack or a six to the street call it call it call it please call it Wubby
Please please call it don't fold here. It makes sense to bluff here. I like this play
He might be scared. I'd be scared of an ace or a 10
Fold it's so scary guys. There's so many hands that beat just a pair of eights here
He called no default down. Oh, he folded no
I don't know. I'll be no.
He does decide to let go of the
pair of eight. I don't play him
one bit. There's some again
sometimes in poker, you have to
make a reasonable fold and risk
that they just bluff you and
that's the game we play. It's
the unfortunate reality. The
game we play.
Back call here on the flop.
But as in the lead here with
bottom pair.
He's thinking about making a move.
Well, she wins this.
There's no way he gets an ace.
He's thinking about it.
He has to get an ace to win.
Check.
Check?
Don't bet.
If she bets, you better pull.
But with a lot in pair and a straight draw, she checks it back.
He has to get an ace.
Oh, that's over.
There's a six.
Let's check.
Now, this is one of the worst hands
lovey can have.
This is a very reasonable spot to go for a bluff.
Oh, he's checking.
Check it, though.
He's going to check it.
but that checks it back any pair of five will win
mind that either
wouldn't have needed to see me a little river stab but
is he's getting blood
it's a reasonable decision to be something crazy can happen
okay open the button here from both us
Wubby calls, taking a flop with two not so hot hands,
but that is a hot flop for Wubby,
flopping a pair and a flush drive.
He takes the lead and takes it down on the flop.
Seeing a lot of flop leading from Wubby
and some of these-
Blush spammers.
Wubby's got some various moves, some leads,
some check min-rays, some bet three bets.
Seen all of those today.
What is the queen jack seven flop now?
Wubby bets the nut flush draw to straight hands where Wubby has fought
first draws we don't we did not get to see if he would have gotten there Wow I
guess we'll never know
I
Seventy-two here, but has
Just fold it. Oh, he bet
She calls here and a flush draw and a gutter. We have a flop lead and a min rays
What will Wubby do now? I can't imagine he's folding. Are we gonna call we're gonna raise
Maybe a 10 happens and then he gets a straight my god. What's gonna happen here? If a 10 drops Wubby can win
He calls we take a turn or a heart
Oh
Okay, now it's cooked
GG
All right, one one let's get
I feel like I'm in middle school like my hand is up teacher. Can I please go to the bathroom after the lesson?
That's totally fine. Alex, take your time.
Alright, so Wubby. Yeah, that's the 1-0 lead. You were you were there you were knocking on the door. Beach mouse.
What went wrong in that second match?
Um, I think it was a combination. I'm sure everyone is gonna tell me what I actually did wrong, but I think it was a combination of more sloppy play and just bad cards.
I
This game is pure fucking luck webby all bullshit. Don't let them try to lie to you
Don't let these professional poker players tell you it's skill
They made a deal with Satan for bonus luck IRL
That's how they do it
I said this before I think it might have been the first match, but I think in one of the hands
You raised the flop as a bluff bet the turn as a bluff and fired big on the river as a bluff
And I was I was talking to the chat. I actually think that's the first time in this entire
Is that terrible no that's good that's how terrible off that was a really nice big you you
Three streets and you really I'm just saying I don't think I've seen that yet in this tournament
I gotta I gotta give a tip of the cap. You know, that was a nice hand. You really went. Thank you. Thank you
Maybe I need to which and no, no, no, Alex you missed it
Oh, I don't know. I forgot it was a long time ago. There was a
You know what when you said we were friends on stream, I guess I lied. Oh
There you can't take that back. It's already been said to the game up. Let's go lock it in
You plan again soon. I play after this match
There one one so the winner of this wins and then it's me verse Tyler
And then depending on whether I win or lose I either play again right after if I lose or
I have to wait until nine fucking p.m
What did she just say what did she just say
You said you're gay. What?
Final match.
Semi-final one. Winner moves on. Loser stays home because they're gonna be playing in the third and the third place match later.
So, time will tell as we get this thing fired up shortly and we go into the action.
Cars are briefly briefly reversed. We'll be fixing that shortly
And there you have it shortly is fixed
Okay, what are we looking at here King 9 9 10 Jack oh
Come on Wubby come on Wubby you beat that
Yeah, there's a bet
Flawless, flawless production on my end guys. I got you. Don't don't you worry. Here we go. Okay
We now have an ace on the river. Oh, man
Really tough spot now for botas
Scary flushes in straight is in
Flop top pair but not a great situation 10 beats you ace beats you clubs beat you queen beats you
Seems like maybe she calls but she does end up making the call and a very
value bet from Wubbe kicking us off here willing to go thin to win sometimes you got to go thin to win
Especially if you think your opponent is making light calls. They're not a believer
You got to show them the good word. Oh now she has the ace
This hand goes both ends way the top pair no value
Yeah, this guy's a jack four spammer. Oh, okay, we're folding insta
pair of fours versus nothing
Fush draw here and it's a two pairs on the board go along with his eights in the lead. Oh my god
Oh, come on. Wubby, I would like to see doesn't have an eight. There's no way, you know, you should know she doesn't have an eight
I would like to have seen a raise
There's nothing that beats you
You block some cards. You don't have much show in M value
But she goes for the check raises now she's gonna hit it raise and what be with the bet three bet who
Bet three betting a four on the turn she fold. Oh, Gary stuff. That is a scary proposition
If Alex has a four you're chopping if Alex doesn't eight you're dead
Also, she's bluffing you can just call and maybe give yourself a chance to win another bet on the river
I want to like to see what just just just for once just for one hand be like whoa, let's just slow down, you know
Let's just slow down
Day four again. What is happening?
This guy's like the the Ricky Bobby of poker champs. He's just you know, if you're not first
He's just like you don't have to drive that okay two shades of trash awful hands. Well, he has and it's gone
Fold spammers goodness
But I would have liked to see a call there. I think I think calling if
Boat has his bluffing you could win more and then if she does have an eight you don't have to lose everything
So yeah, I could have been a good play there
Okay, para queens versus nothing fold it okay, he bet I would have checked alright with this hand
Boat has does have the best of the middle pair check calls pair of fives
And you still lose to every other pair on the board. Wubby every pair on the board beats you
This is getting a little scary. Oh
We'll check call the turn. Oh
Just fucking give it up. Now the straight gets in any ten makes a straight
It's easy when you know the cards. Yeah, but every pair beats a pair of fives on that board
But you're right, it is way easier when you see both
five is on that board. It's so, so, so bad.
Sure. I'll be made fun of when I play.
Ace, nine suited now for Wubby.
Re-raise, but Jack.
Oh, we've got a hand here for Wubby.
It's for the check call. I really like this from Wubby.
He's giving his opponent some room to bluff.
And now we're going to take the betting lead again.
We briefly did.
And I have to say, I've been in Botez's shoes before.
It can be infuriating when you can't even get a chance to bluff.
You're playing someone so aggressive.
You got some weak hands.
You want to make a move.
You don't even get a chance.
You're just being forced in these terrible spots.
She has queen high.
Her check calls leads the turn.
She's gonna call, but she's just drawing dead.
It's over. Come on, Wabi. Get her in.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She folds.
She folds. There's no way she doesn't.
Just queen high for Boataz.
I hope she doesn't call this.
Get away.
There's no way she calls this.
She might think he's saying he has a three,
but these matches are way more random than that.
You're not gonna move the queen high.
She does not call the G-folds.
She's the time bank.
She's taking her time to think this over.
What will she do?
Okay, good fold on the river
Good lay down the right play
Got away from that one she can re-race make him full but he would just call it he has a pair of me
I guess she wouldn't know that. Oh, yeah
We take a flop both players the clubs both players are gonna miss
mmm
rainbow
That's what we're gonna do. He's gonna bet and Boca's gonna go for the check fold.
Quite a reasonable decision. A check fold. What is a check fold? Is it when your opponent checks,
you just raise the pot and make them fold because they probably have nothing?
open call top pair versus bottom pair or you check and then fold okay so okay she
bats you check and fold to any bet okay six on the turn he leads another
classic wubby hand boates has had enough she's raising and wubby goes for the fold
Wubby is an animal
You check if they check and fold if they
Really going after it in the last he's really gotten some good hands. Come on Wubby. He's got an ace
This seems like a man on a mission. He is here to win
Chips or lose everything Alex has gotten shit fucking piss-worth of hands
Putting boat has some really tough spots deal. I wouldn't have any other way. Come on. We'll be that strategy yikes
When your opponent doesn't make hands, you run them over, but the downside to that strategy, when your opponent does hit some hands, it gets very expensive.
So we'll have to see how this continues to evolve as the match moves on into the...
They really are fold spammers. I mean, just, I guess, it's probably smart to just spam fold, but this is a level beyond me. I just play.
I just play other one we'll be taking on soda pop and shortly
winner of that
We'll face the winner of this in the grand final today
For a quarter million first, what are we doing Tyler? He's watching to look at this guy
Yes, we're here all fucking day man buckle in
Real money real
Viewers, let me get my notepad hang on
And the funny thing about poker is you kind of can't hide your mistakes
Everyone can see your cards and if you play them badly then everyone gets to laugh at it
But luckily for them
The bar is low let me read my notes here. I'm not reading these on streams at all
It's a bluff. Little does she know she actually had the best hand
We are still neck and neck here match tide one one vote has fighting back was down a little bit
Fighting her way back though
Raises the button
Takes it down queen for juicy and
Why do the cards flip back over hello, I can't I see
He folded a queen for no
What does most of oh ace first ace
10v4 up against ace for for Wubby and a pretty disciplined lay down
I have to say folding ace four to three bet really
You might not know this that's actually a very good play
You're supposed to fold a lot of your weak aces to three bet for many years
He'll thought that that was not the case you have to call with an ace to three bet not true very poor
What is he talking about? You're gonna constantly be dominated by better ace X
So that was a nice
Fold there from Wubby pre-flop
Very sharp really good fold the fuck I would never fold an ace. What is this poker theory bullshit?
This is a noob tournament. He's just making sure he knows the ins and outs is it not
That's a it's a white man
Questioning poker math, I don't know the poker man. That's the point
Very close unbelievable
Parasix is
Parasix is
Okay, we're betting here. Well, thank you for gifting more subs and Minecraft randomly gifting for it. Thank you club WTP
Let's listen to the players to see what it's like down there. What the tension is like. I will say though even on the hundred. I think that that would I might be even too much for I roll with some cool people pair fives pair fives.
I roll with some cool people
Paraphys Paraphys
That's fair
What about you? I know you're you play poker you buy in you do your thing
You're gonna keep going is this gonna catapult your career focus on your game. I'll be stop talking
I've been playing poker still I think if I did win I would probably use it to put back into content
I will keep playing poker regardless what happens, but I feel better to keep playing
Fair fair
All right, let's meet the tab
Kind of cute if you win, what will you do with the money? Oh, if you win, what will you do with the money?
Oh, no, we know you
That's not what I want to hear what I have talking yo when I take your money. I'm buying a new Lambo. What up?
It's your boy. Oh
good one Doug but oh how I wish I was back to this hand 9600 chips Queen
high for Wabi sucking good sucking like a good hand oh Ryan's here hang on indeed
checks it back and he will win the jack plays we're keeping it neck and neck
anyone's ballgame we're just waiting for that first cooler to set in and someone
to take a take a little bit of a bad beat see what happens
nine six here for Wubby he's just gonna fold a bit of a tight fold there on the
button from Wubby folding the nine six I believe we played four deuce on the
button earlier. You'd think nine six would be. It'd be good enough for a, for a flop.
I would think perhaps, but regardless, he does make the fall. We have a raised call
here. Ace 10 flops, giant top and bottom. A monster on a board like this. You really
can't have better hands on this. Can't clean three bets. Ace, Jack three bets.
Mouse all the sets be the mouse and wow we I think we check call that the turn and
both of us mouse the seller or you have something kind of you're facing a weird
line mouse beach beach mouse oh she decides to raise here if she decides to
go for it it will be just calls needs a king doesn't get at nine on the river
now that card might look a little scary but it's really not there's no way she
He would have eight seven King Queen probably would raise the turn and just goes bet fold on the river.
Well, he is not afraid to try and get his value.
That is certainly for sure.
He's been all over getting his value.
Beach, Mouse, Ace, Beach, Beech, Mouse.
Finally on the turn, and then they're rolling the river back to this hand.
We've got a kill of the fives for Boatess, and the lead trips now on the turn.
Okay.
Mouse, Beech, Mouse.
Now, let's see if Wubby gets cute.
If Wubby gets cute here, it's not gonna work.
It's not gonna work.
Boatess, that's the turn.
Let me call.
We take a river.
Queen.
Kind of a tough card to get paid on now for Boatess.
Bets and Wubby pitches it into muck. I was just putting Ryan on the TV. He wants to watch
How are we looking?
Sometimes people get a little too fancy with their good hands. Usually when you have a good hand,
you want to just bet and get paid. That way you can make sure you can bluff
and you don't let that pot stay super small. Check, check, check. He dropped me. No, you don't want
to do that. Ryan is going to play instead of you. Yeah, I didn't give him my wireless mouse.
Poker is best I got him now. He's in when you pick in the front door
Well, hopefully that's not happening in a home game because that would be pretty scary
But generally you want to go right in through the hole right into the front door that is where poker is best played
Okay, we have
Once again nice roughly equal stacks
Is Ryan your green warm tongue for the evening? Who's green or worm tongue? Roughly equal sacks
We're taking this all the way to our second match
Okay, I didn't know that was his name
Yes, yes, he is
I've never known his name platform to platform chop and stuff down people are losing arms
the lightsaber duel of the tournament because it's still just neck and
fold my lord anyone can do it it's all the way down the wire all in sir all
the way down the wire guys a set of threes now for botas huge oh shit
Hold it.
What does Wubby have?
He has nothing.
He's Queen High.
Oh, he called.
It's not that.
He's just Queen High.
He's drawing almost dead.
He is now dead.
There's no river where he can win.
And he's firing the turn.
Finally, Wubby's nonsense has landed him in trouble.
Oh, he's got a bet more.
Oh, deeper, deeper in.
Okay, maybe she folds.
She calls.
Bo-Tes makes the call.
Looks pained.
No need for pain.
Reva kind is good
What's that stuff I understand why he raised at the end I get it, but God yeah, it was a little too good for me to fold
You know, I don't blame you
Oh, come on Wubby, it's your turn, baby. It's your turn. She's gonna go for some straight or some other shitty shit
Come on. Wubby. Wait seven eight nine ten. Yeah, it was pretty good. Oh, no. Oh
Wait, no way
No Jack no Jack
Old man coffee saying we're locked in said to you from some of the most popular streamers
Come on Wubby. That's why I come on Wubby. Actually, I'm here because I'm contractually obligated
Back to this hand Queen 7 Queen 10 7. We're all in with top boat
He went for the whole enchilada
Whoo damn, okay?
I don't it's a big one
That was too much enchilada
We could have gone for like maybe a couple of street tacos and that that was that was way
Holy fuck these hands are insane
Someone on the board has something insane every time bottom of the fifth gonna have to hit a home run
Okay, thank god only got two more hours to work this
We're gonna end it now
Like you don't even see hands that good on tables of like fucking six plus people every hand
I we're getting them every hand with two
I'm not sure if you're going to
get that.
Jesus.
Here we go.
They call.
They call.
They're in.
Let's get an ace.
Oh, that's scary.
Parajacks.
Technology.
She calls.
Not good.
You don't have anything. You are fucking cooked bro. You have nothing. You have nothing. You have nothing. You have nothing.
You have nothing. You have nothing. It's another three of a kind. How?
Sorry. Oh, I could have delivered that better and I could have. It could have been better. There was something there.
Alright, back to this match. Lubby is getting chipped down. Botez. I think she river trips there.
Boat has gotten the upper hand here 140 Cape ships wubby down to 60
Kind of be feeling the heat
Lines are big 2400 he's gonna raise gonna raise it up
It's gonna raise it up
87 do's
Gonna bet the flop and get a full Amy and much need a pot had the best of it
But you know what at this point beggars can't be choosers
You need every single pot you can get your hands on
Or else pay what money Wubby will pay his money to Botez
Pay money Botez
Para 10s on her and she wins this no way he gets the Queen
He thought she did but that she takes it down. Thank God
Blinds are getting pretty big here guys
2400 big blind
I
Got about oh, come on. What we use the pocket jacks. Here's the time what will both let's keep her locked in
I want her to get something. She feels good
She folds here makes the check call don't scare her away. Dude. She's gonna fold
Bet on the turn. Yeah, okay. Just can't imagine you just have to let it go. You have five high
You've just got a straight shot. What can you really do other than fold there? There's really no choice
J4 versus 5
Then another fold with a jack four. What are these folds man? Am I crazy?
We're going to turn over to players for a second jack four is not great, but it's jack high right it's decent
I mean, this is always going to end with the most likely apparent, alright, I guess, but
whatever.
Uh, nice, by the way.
Harris Six versus Wubby, you don't have fucking anything.
You have ten high, Gamer.
You have ten high, you are on crack.
You can have it.
Okay.
Thank you, thank you.
I have this terrible habit of whenever I leave my desktop, I need my mic and then when I get back, I forget to unmute it and the number of streams I've had where I don't realize for 10 minutes, a painful chat back to this one.
This one the action is looking like it's gonna come to a close shortly the blinds are getting big
These are some of the biggest blinds. I've seen yet in this tournament
1630 200
We've got about 18 big blinds effective 16 big blinds effective
Bobby is cooked he's he's definitely fighting an uphill battle right now. It's a very steep hill as well
Okay
has a pair. I mean, Wubby wins this ace high. Okay. But does he
hand here? Check, check ace high will win. Hey, he didn't win
shit. Wubby just needs one double up and he'll have the
chip lead. Botas just needs to have one all and go her way.
She wins the match. This is it. This is it. We're gonna need to
to make shit happen here. She calls it, baby.
Oh, that's why we don't win three bet.
All right, it's over here.
10 on the turn.
Oh, that's crazy.
Oh, that's crazy.
She's got the one thing you're scared of, Doug.
Maybe he draws a queen.
Oh, no.
Oh, and he's going to all in here.
He's going to all in.
He's waiting for bait, I think.
He's going to send it.
He's hoping she calls, but he doesn't know.
Then again, maybe he's thinking about her having a king.
We're going to think this over.
Maybe not.
Is it a big one?
Come on, now.
Come on, now.
It's her turn.
I face out.
I like this.
I think I think well first up what is I don't think I can get out of this so let's do it I
All in
Good hand
And gg
That's good
That's fair that's so fair. Yeah, you have to fucking guess it by the way
Who would have thunk it to me with the king or 10 and then that other fucking god
Really genuinely scared me. I know I know good game though. So even if I beat Tyler
I know you can fucking go to get my ass beaten
All right, it was fun, it was let me call up Tyler here. I'm gonna turn on my stream delay everybody, so
Give it a sec three minutes, and I should be back and you will have a three minute delayed chance
So it looks like Tyler's doing the same thing
you
you
you
you
you
you
He just really isn't answering, is he?
Is this the wrong discord?
Am I confused?
by a buddy hope you find your dad look yo really well pens gonna be in the kitchen yeah they're
They're crazy. They're on crack.
Okay, and then...
What is going on here? Where is this guy?
Oh, now he's calling me.
What's going on, man? You didn't want to answer the call?
I want your excuse see what I'm not excuse see bro. Okay. All right. That's fine. You can you can now
Okay, no, what's different about you? Why don't you tell me the details?
No, no, you're right Felix didn't care about the money I care. I know you care
I'm not gonna do that. Who knows maybe I'm also gonna have kids
What the fuck you you think I got a mixer deal or a fucking kick deal like these other freaks
Fuck no, I haven't this is 75 grand on the line with this one be one
It's it's actually public for this event. I'm not alive. I think this might be the last fair match of the tournament
Wait, how?
Oh, this is a pro poker pro
I don't know why they thought David invited her to be honest.
It feels like bad face and bad face.
And low key, her cards were kind of juiced by the way.
Hey, don't shoot the messenger.
Sorry, I was reading my notes on you.
I studied by the way.
Oh, cool, sir.
Like, bro, wow, you studied.
You got a notepad?
You take notes?
You want to share?
I don't want to share notes.
Towered.
You probably have this guy's a beast, that poker.
Bro, everybody's saying I'm like six out of ten.
I'm good.
going on. Ryan what are these I mute them I'm like you can't hear me.
You set your stuff up Rawly. Okay, my man all right all right I got it. Got it.
All right. All right so hold on what is the website we're supposed to use to
like share our screen. Hups.onrender.com. Oh, my man. Okay, that brought it up. Yeah,
this has to be in Google Chrome, apparently. Yep. I'm a Firefox main. So it's kind of
cringe. And now I don't have a password. So I can't even do that. Do you want the password?
I can send me the password if it works for me. I hope it does right
That's for the the website it changed it on me, okay
Well, maybe yours is different actually no it worked. I'm in we're good
Okay got my camera on
No, okay. Yeah, so I'm supposed to have my own that was a password for you to join in I'm supposed to have my own
Gotcha, but they need to send me my password
Uh, I did message them and I said I need my password. I'm waiting. Okay
What the fuck I can't wait bro. You're so bad at poker
Why do you say I'm a whole family watching last time you my brother's in the living room with
My brother's he's literally in the living room. You're on full screen. He's watching. He's a poker like he plays religiously
How cringy they invited you then I?
Mean, I don't know shit dude. I don't have a fucking play poker
Yeah, I got both has both has like has won legit money in poker games. I know so I
So I've been streaming YouTube videos on it for like two weeks. No, bro. She's won 400 grand in one sitting
What?
Yes, and one sitting a poker. She's one for her. She's one more than what we're doing like this isn't even I've known that's ridiculous, dude
I know it's crazy. Okay, so I need them to send me my password. I don't know it
Because I yeah, I can't share my screen yet. Maybe I scroll up maybe it's in here
You had the right one it's the same okay, but I hit that it didn't it didn't save can they just send me it again
Can use oh wait, I think I might have gotten it. I might have gotten it
No incorrect
Well, he's that one was
I have to remake it. Oh, apparently it is that one that I sent you.
But why did it have us both join? And it bugged out. It was weird. Okay. Facing that. Like
it works. I'm in. Continue to room. Okay, I'm in here now. Are you in here?
Hello. Hello. Yeah, I'm in here. I don't see you though.
Good. We shouldn't hear each other in this.
Oh, you're right. We should hear each other on Discord right here.
Exactly. So we're supposed to be in different things, but you're in here.
No, no, no. We're supposed to be on this same screen.
Are we?
I was with Rage.
And we were both, we could both see each other in this.
Okay, well, I'm sharing my poker screen now.
Hey guys, you're in the right place.
We're good. Okay. Yeah, all right. We need to get your
Tables up, I think you're good
The title you need to get your your screen
All right
I'm a little nervous. I won't lie. I know you are too you can pretend like you're not but I'm nervous as hell
I am I am my heart's actually pumping for this
I'll tell my guys bro. I actually do all these tournaments all this shit
This is this the hardest my heart's been pumping for any of these by the way 75 line and it's just 75 grand
It's 75 K and it's like it seems so easy to win like it's like we're both shit at it
Yeah easy for both. All right guys. We are now live in the main feed as well. Oh, what's up? Yes?
Freak soda pop it. He's trash
Yeah
This guy thinks he's gonna win. I had to get him ready for this because I told him there might be some light shit talking and
You're you're starting it off about three seconds into the stream with some shit talking so the over one
Thank you for that Tyler
Anyway, welcome guys. This is our second semi-final match between
Soda poppin and Tyler one today. We are gonna be playing for a spot in the grand final of poker champs
Here's what's at stake. They've already both locked up $50,000. If they win this match, they guarantee themselves $125,000 with a shot to win a quarter million. If they win their final match, should they lose here? They do have a consolation prize. They will play a third place match to win $25,000 coming up after this.
Only 25K.
Okay guys, how you feeling?
Great, I was built for this and board for this Doug. I've been I've been practicing hard all week for this one moment
And you said the finals is today, right? Yeah, it's today. We'll see you there Doug
We're playing down to winter today. You won't see shit there Tyler
You're gonna be playing a wubby soda 100% you're playing wubby. No, I've already practiced for boat as I'm already
I'm not even I didn't even practice for this one because I'm worried about the next game not this one
Bro you're not gonna you get a life by the way
What no that's not true. That's absolutely not true
You try to get you fucking flew to Korea to try and do well in the game that you main and you failed and had to play back embarrassed
That's not related. I got dead on you piece of shit. I know that on it just doesn't matter
I was this is a matter of like skill like ceiling right and you clearly reached it
Never the lower dog me. It's sort of having playing games like 15 years
I feel about every single game we've ever played ever in our entire streaming careers and today will be no different Wow
Not true. It's not true
Okay, well, let's take it to the streets guys. We will do the same format as before best two out of three
You're gonna play all three and then we will do a post game interview afterwards with the winner and the loser
I'll see you guys after that. Good luck. Have fun
Okay, I signed up register pussy like you're the one be in the cow
Rest of your history. Rest of your history. Rest of your history.
Okay, I'm buying it right now. Oh shit.
Here we go. Here we go.
Okay, I'm like fucking my heart pumping a little bit of this.
Here we go!
Who's got the button first, huh? Look at that. Look at those icons.
Why do you buy a shit game? Do not fucking fear.
Give me good cards.
Did you ask them to put you as big tonk of tea, by the way?
That's what I signed up as. Yes.
Interesting.
Okay.
Alright, let's do a little bit here.
rolling I think I call that oh I'm thinking I'm thinking I'm
money every single game that I'm getting a high court just resign I got a pair
right now I'm gonna be honest I got a pair did you sir yes sir yes sir yes sir
yes sir make this one a fucking email but hmm actually on a pair
I'm listening to your words. I'm listening to your words
I'll give you a little hint. I got a pair. It's not a high pair. I got a pair
Ain't a fold that you take it we get the first one. Who is he?
All right, oh come on
Come on
You're a folder, aren't you you don't actually like playing do you I know I actually don't fold very often gamer
I do not
Jesus
I mean at some point you had to get cards to play
But I'm saying
You cards to play and if they don't even cars I do I spoke with so much folding
But it actually is even the big ones
It's actually just spam bullshit left and right
Yep, kind of cringe, and I feel like you're gonna line up with the cringe
How I mean to be fair after volume being oh, is it me?
It's you if you're after volume volume that that's all both has did hold every bad hand and it works
They're here, I'm thinking I'm thinking is what I'm doing a little bit
I don't want you.
A little low bit?
It's a low bit.
I might call it a low bit.
You're gonna check, aren't you, pussy?
Fucking cowardice, motherfucker.
I'm just eyeballing the situation, bro.
Go ahead.
Oh, wait.
Gotta follow.
Hey, coward.
Gotta follow the notes.
You're using the phone now, aren't you?
You're the phone.
I gotta follow the notes, bro.
What you have no notes, I don't believe it
Hmm we'll call that
It's a little bit. You can join that fold me
Get some time here, what's thinking about
All that I
Mean there's no way right I
Mean there's no way right somebody here has to have a three kings right surely
Surely somebody who has three kings. Maybe an ace?
Somebody has to, right?
Oh, no way. No way. No way. No way, bro. No way.
Fall in.
We'll check here. What do you let's you do the bet?
Well, I have some thoughts I wish I could say out loud. There's no way.
I
Sessions so really on in the match
What did you have watch this body be six your stomach by the way, you had a nice it's fucking nothing
sick I
Hear my goals up
What are we doing here a little bit of a bet?
I don't know how so the dealer and you know, fuck you
Fold that
On the on the real though, do you feel like your hands are actually trash right now? Are you able to say that?
No, I can't tell you anything. Okay, this is too much too much money. I just I fucking can't I respect that I respect I respect this
coward
I feel like my hands have been shit almost every time
Like it's not even let's play good luck
Let's play. I agree. Okay, so that's an abnormal bet you think bro. You don't think that's a bit weird
Is it a little bit of a bad debt from you, huh? Is it?
We go
Check huh, yeah, it's a little bit deeper in there
What is a fucking boat has gambit every time I get my cards I almost say them out loud
I want to see here like commenting my thought process I know my streamer brain yeah
I'll play. Okay, we're playing. Not coward is like the other fucking hands. Motherfuckers
playing hands left and right. We love it. I think I might check here. Go ahead and place
your bet a big one small one check bold okay I'll bet some on this hand hmm and
you it's not much to match no see the what's it called the flop it in the river
for the fold you're actually a pussy you're actually a pussy you're the
put you actually did I'm getting I'm getting straight off sheets every single
time by the way I don't believe that okay now here you very clearly have a
hand do you think so I think I have a hand
I think I'll raise you much
you'll. Okay. Raise again. You should write. There's no way this to change anything, right?
soda. I'll be right. So, yep.
What's a suit called?
flush.
Breathe here. There's no you got two diamonds in your deck.
I don't know what I have. Could be anything.
My cards are just so...
Okay.
Yes!
I had to throw lobby on it.
I was bluffing on my ass.
Sorry, bro.
Were you?
All yours.
I had to absolutely bluff.
Let's play.
Did not get two decent sized hands.
Back to back.
Hmm
Come on devs thinking man
Could just start roping your ass to piss you off you impatient fuck. Oh
I said come on devs. Sorry. I'm like I'm at the developers. All right, okay
This time I might you know
You got a big lead bro, just come on. Let's throw down a little bit.
Really? Up 20 grand?
Were there shibbles? You want me to play the flop?
I didn't like what I saw. I wasn't feeling it there.
I'm not reading my notes. I'm kind of like, right to you in here.
I see.
Oh, fuck, okay.
Oh, it's me. Oh, I don't understand.
You really like 2.67, don't you? I'm gonna raise you.
Well, wait, is that not normal? The guy told me to do 6.7.
I mean, Felix is doing the same thing. You both have the same coach.
Sorry, it's actually what it is. Oh.
Interesting. Very interesting.
What do we think of here?
I think a little bit of a bet.
Are you fucking air-humping? Is it?
Eugh! Eugh!
I was like, yeah.
So you like that three, huh?
Okay, if I wanted the three, would I like the three?
Well, what would the three even give me here?
Can I have a two pair?
Oh, it's me. Holy fuck, I keep fucking up this timer thing.
I'll call it. Let's see what happens. Okay, what do you have motherfucker?
Oh, hike dude!
I don't have a hike heart! Bro, I'll be honest!
Dude, I have to track every time!
What are we doing?
I literally sit here and hold every single time.
We'll play no poker.
I just give up, bro.
I gotta do something, bro.
Lou, you just start practicing for Wubby, I'll be honest.
Oh, bro, I'm gonna win.
The fuck?
Oh, yeah, guys, by the way,
They don't mess with that back in for sure. Holy fuck, right? I don't know who this dealer is, but they're on crack
Take it
I'm reading I'm reading I'm reading
I
Now be honest, I'm still thinking about that ace that was almost as bad as the meek of Parsons trade
Well, I just put it. I mean Mike is soft soft ass motherfucker. I was a
It's bored, I don't know what to say, bro
Okay, all right, I don't have to fold that handy early right away at nothing on the fucking river nuts on the flop no draw card
We just oh
Check instead
Man
Can you play poker like Tony Romo drives?
Okay, now you're trying to tilt me or something. I'm already tilted, bro. Leave me alone. Are you?
What a hand!
It's 6'7", 6'7", 6'7", it has to be. You wouldn't react otherwise.
Hey, welcome away for this one, baby. Props. Let's go, let's go. Play where it lies.
Okay.
Yep.
I can't tell if you were just roleplaying.
I mean, even if I was lying, bro, it's 3,000 chips.
See, I don't think my numbers are different.
I use BBs.
Yeah, I'm a BB main.
I don't know what BBs are.
So you put eight BBs down on the table.
That a lot?
I mean, I have 153 BBs.
I'm going to fold.
You can have it.
What'd you have?
What do you think I had, Soda?
6'7".
I can't tell you.
But what a cloud of fold.
Watch the bottom.
Fuck.
Oh, I've been bracing the wrong amount every time.
Think I'll raise you again.
Okay, we're in.
Hey, play the poker!
You wanna play the poker?
Yeah, I'm playing poker!
Alright, we're playing poker here.
We're playing poker this time.
Uhh, yeah, let's keep planes of poker here. We love planes of poker, don't we?
You sure you don't want to fold this one so it'll pop it?
I'll check it, I'll let you bet.
I know you're doing it.
Thank you.
Mm-hmm.
Ah, oh, it talks out.
What?
Holy...
It changed nothing, by the way. Let's go.
Yeah, I'm gonna check it. Go ahead.
So if you check, I can't go again either?
If I check and then you check, it's over.
But you can obviously raise once I check.
Ah, I have to call us the second one.
What do I got? I wonder.
I have a feeling you either have a two.
Or.
I'm going to fold.
Actually, actually a good fault.
Finally
Finally you had fucking nothing man fuck
You had nothing you bluffing freak. I know it
See if you want to play this hand I don't know if you want to smoke
Okay
Didn't think you'd call, but we will call back
Yep, they're looking pretty good for me here
How about you?
What's that I'm looking too hot for you over there, huh?
You don't know that bet so much at the start. I mean it's looking really good for me here by the way extremely good
Like best hand of the day good. I'm just saying I've been honest so far soda you haven't I think you've lied every time you've said shit
You gotta fold that good fold good fold there
Crumbling our way soda
You have my fucking utmost use and shit hands I'm getting TBH
Okay, so are you okay? So who went first here like mine already says 400 I mean it's not complicated Tyler
It's really not complicated
Oh
Okay
Call those okay
And the flop is
Is it cinema
OK
hmm
holy peak
holy peak
powered
One of my lessons. Nah.
It's like even us, I feel like we haven't been folding literally right with a card to hit our hand.
No, we're not pussy. The other, no, we're, we're, we're-
I know, right?
It's actually crazy.
Every single time.
No, I was throwing up. Even the game started lagging, they would fold so fucking fast the game was struggling to deal with cards out again.
She just fucking got those. It's crazy.
You just bet 2.67 unbelievable.
Hmm
Oh, you're going my pot says half the pot. Yeah
Hey
Wait, so do you know by heart what each like winners thing he is like straighten all that I
Struggle rolling I struggle a lot
Okay, I'm gonna use the color thingy. Yes. I had to use even with the color thing
I didn't realize I had a flush one hand. I had no fucking idea
Oh
Got a hand here. We got a hand. Oh, yeah
My sack I would too though
Who I say that oh we both got some hands here, let's play
Oh my god, I can't believe it
Okay
Howard Howard is motherfucker play me
Big hand big hand that fold it
Fuck.
There.
Okay.
Um.
I'm playing wrong the whole time, apparently.
What does that mean?
Nothing.
Oh, it's a three-button game.
It's like the same amount as League.
here like eights maybe maybe somebody here does like a all right I'm down as
well I have three of a kind yeah you got it I believe you
I do believe you great by the way I do believe you
It is somebody didn't have the eights did they
You're a liar and a snake. No, you'll see bro. You'll fucking see
You'll see every fucking time. Have a game too. So let you know the three minutes have caught up
I'm looking my chat and they're already typing pussy one. So whatever. It's thrown it out there
I mean why some folding yeah, you're just like a pussy. It's embarrassing
Actually, and the hands I am winning it's just you getting buffed because you're trash
How do you know you haven't been getting bluffed? I'm just not you know letting people know things
Called that crazy. What a misplay. Well, no, because I've been fucking I've actually been raising when I know it's a rock
I've been
Kind of trolling. I'll show you
Thank you
Yeah, wait a minute, okay, the plus is going up. Yeah, baby the baby crazy. Nope
Okay, so if you start and I call you have a chance to do something okay gotcha
I'm down to play this one. Let's play it.
Okay, play it.
Wait, how come?
Oh my god, wait a minute, what?
I'm going to do this.
I'm going to raise by six seven there.
Like that snapper, by the way.
What was that?
My dogs breaking in and out of my fucking room for the doggy door. They're going crazy. Oh
My god, I think I understand the game now. Well, you took your time didn't you?
Well, I'll tell you what I do understand that right there
Understand that right there
I call
Nothing!
You don't watch this, Bob, by the way?
What did you do?
You don't watch this, Bob, by the way?
What did you do?
I had nothing every single hand.
I wasn't even fucking you, by the way.
Every single time I won, it was nothing.
I had a high quality.
Dude, you just got skill gapped.
It's embarrassing, really.
I guess so, bro.
Sad apathetic.
Unbelievable.
Okay.
Well, I think we fucking queue it again.
Hopefully we get some better cards this round.
The funny thing is, shit happened to me the second time I saw it.
Man, that sucks. If you lose this one, you're eliminated entirely.
No, I go play Wubby.
Well, I mean, from, you know, the actual Winner's Bracket, you know, the fucking Loser Bracket,
embarrassing at first adjective, by the way.
Well, let's see what happens here. I'm anticipating the same cards, bro. So it is what it is.
Unfortunately, this is a game of luck, not skill. So, that's about... Let's run it up again.
I mean, I'm hitting register. Here we go, register.
Developers, let's try something here, shall we? Okay.
Oh
Finally
Talking about my reason hello, I'm talking about early we'll start being it. It's it's learning game by game basis
I think I choose the winner
My lot to say that probably not like it's already locked in. No, I think it is a scam. I should be told
At least when I lose that's how I feel
But I usually don't lose so it might not be
No, I haven't I am very suspicious. I have not lost a game yet
it's early bro it is early we're doing this shit again early are we we're doing this shit again
Tyler I'll tell you slowly get a lead I get shitty cars because you're really running my luck out
the fucking out of the well hold on let me read again I don't like calling it is
a pretty boring thing to do but folding is more bitching than calling and you
tend to fold more so you're like max level bitch it's fine I got a god squad
here bro so I'm gonna pull that up I will yeah champ I've absolutely will
all the same is broke I'm getting nice hands now are you actually I am
Actually
There's no way right go raise that there we go absolutely good call I miss
Let's go I miss click yeah my bad
Silence I think I'll raise that again
We got here
What do I have, Tyler? It could be fucking anything!
Let's make this one quick, then.
Make it quick.
I think I'll raise you again.
Yeah, let's make it quick, Tyler. Go ahead, raise it again.
Make it quick! I don't care, bro. I don't care. Let's make it quick.
I'm gonna call.
What's the deal?
Uh, wait, I can't bet anymore.
I
Can you not wait all in
I said, bro, good bit of email congratulations on your I'm a guardian destiny. I'm all in as well. Let's see a fucking challenge. Oh smile
Gg Tyler I still got a place what what the fuck you got crumbs
Wait, how come I got any money?
I mean, what are we thinking about here, bro? Can we move?
Can you fucking move?
I'm thinking about something. I think I'll raise yes
Everybody what you do bro, I am still getting trash card. I promise you by the way if you go back and watch this
Bond it's actually nuts. I think what you really have to do is just spam full actually every bad hand, but it's so fucking miserable. Oh
You sure you want to match me
I think I'll call that let's let's see let's see what you got in here and King, huh?
Yep, well
That was pretty quick, but you're still in what is happening. What the fuck's up?
Let's see what you got I
Mean
Yeah, I said to make you go all in with whatever okay, here we go we're playing this hand
Oof
What a head
No, it's over there times the charm so trash
Hey, seriously poor guy for bitch man, I'm sorry man GG
So you just got
Yeah, I do one I beat soda and every game ever but you beat me in a while
People make money and put her and I win
Yeah, you're mad we have an interview
Congratulations soda poppin on winning and advancing to the grand finals
poker poker poker let's go baby I will say the ace king king 10 I think that
was a tough spot you probably didn't have to put in the seventh race in the
flop but that was gonna be an expensive one but the queen five Tyler you got to
walk me through there buddy what so we're playing in a tournament we're
playing on stream for the content we're sitting here folding 80 hands in a row
which virtually is what I guess poker is you sit there you fold fold fold fold
So unfortunately I dig a little bit bored there folding my fifth consecutive hand got
to play it at some point right streamer here right unfortunately.
So poker will be poker.
Yeah, we did it for the content.
I will say there is a lot of folding in poker, but you can pick your spots and that one you
picked right into a full house.
So you hate to see it, you hate to see it is what it is.
You hate to see it, but I appreciate you trying to make it fun for the fans.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, he lost like a dog
Yeah, you played very well, so he wasn't doing it for the fans. He just got lost like a dog
Hey, everybody go play some poker skill
This is professionally
You would beat my ass with his cars, wouldn't you
Yeah, I would
I don't know
I gotta probably move on before I say something I shouldn't guys. This is a
Gas we love poker over here. Don't we Doug?
A bit of a crash out when I lose
Tyler you still have a chance to win some more money. You can come in third place 75 grand. It's still 20. It's their place game first
What's up? It's a third place game first
Yeah, you're gonna play next you're gonna play let's go let's go
is the scheduled time slot, right?
Is that right?
So we have 45 minutes to play?
Tyler, in 45 minutes, you're going
to get to play one match if you win.
You win $25,000 more.
Does that sound good?
Yeah, it does.
Nice.
Perfect.
We love to hear it.
And so to pop in.
Later tonight, grand final match.
Yeah, like in like two hours and 25 minutes for 15 minutes.
Yeah.
Sounds about right.
You are going to have a shot at a quarter million
for your poker skills.
I have a question for you, sorry, powder.
Yes, sir.
You play so many hands like you you you played I watched you play nine four off three times in
this tournament you play three views off seven three off nine four off what's your thinking with
all of these so easy bad hands you play so my brother Ryan has been coaching me and also Garrett
Adelstein has been coaching me and you know he gave me a noob strat so I suck right and he said
Garrett was going on base basically just always just bet two off the rip we're not going to
dive that deep into it. I mean sure some examples here and there but mostly just play everything.
When I have the button, I should just hit two. But also a couple of notes on you Tyler,
maybe you'll like these. You don't lie is on my list, which is surprising because you started
lying. I'm honest bro. I actually can't play all about this either. I'm not an honest man.
I absolutely am an honest person bro. I'm honest as fuck. I have caps lock on this notepad. It says
don't let him in your head.
So I don't think I did.
When he checks, he most likely doesn't have anything.
Again, you just don't lie.
And that was really all my notes.
Now maybe I'm playing too many hands, Doug,
and you can probably rip apart every decision I've made,
but my notes are pretty coordinated to be noob friendly
since I do suck.
No, I don't think it's not that bad
to play really bad hands
because you just have to be one guy.
Yeah, but it's notably different than every other player in this tournament like no one else has been doing that
It's well. I think that comes down to a level of cowardice. I
Think when you fold you admit defeat it's pathetic and sad I think though I've been saying this
I've been calling you you're the Alan Keating of this tournament. I'm not you know poker
I do not all I know is the jack for meme and I have a couple notes here
Shitting on the Dallas Cowboys that I made sure to say a couple times
How can Tyler be tilted about the Cowboys with all those Super Bowls they've won lately
Okey-dokey hello
Hello, hello, hello, am I live?
Sorry, I don't know if the the delay was still going or not. I have no idea.
Um,
yeah, I fucking won. So $75,000 added.
Easy fucking game, by the way. So for those of you that got to see everything,
you got to see both hands I mean how bad did I play Ryan well I just went and
celebrate with Ryan during the three minutes while y'all are catching up
Ryan's so fucking pumped he's so happy I felt so he's so proud made me feel so
good not bad hopefully some of my fault dude there's one hand I really want to
know what Tyler had I'll be honest I gotta know what he had I feel like he
he's acted like he didn't have shit but he did
Let's see if I can find it in here.
Is it the queen, queen hint?
Maybe.
I would only recognize if I saw my hand.
Maybe I can go to the VOD of here and find it.
Let's go to YouTube and just scan through and I'll see both hands.
Because I got to see my hand, otherwise I won't recognize it.
And yeah, I'm not going to play for a bit.
I might log into WoW for a bit or something.
It's a lot of hours.
I don't play for another two hours.
Can I load YouTube, please?
What is going on out here? Hello?
I'm loading it. This is the link y'all just put. Just give me a second. God damn.
Is this Google Chrome? No, it's Firefox. What is happening?
Dude, what? Is my computer bricked?
I will a couple things
Firefox got gels I mean I have to use Google Chrome for whatever screen sharing is like going on it has to be done in Chrome
Which I don't usually use
Uh, wait, no, I sort of, nobody has raised more than minimum.
Yo, what up?
No, we're not delayed.
We're live now.
Yeah.
I was going to go through the VOD here.
Yes, please do.
How awesome was he?
How that great did he do chat?
Yeah.
I am so proud.
I'm so happy.
Oh, 75 grand.
Yes.
Yeah.
We absolutely fucking love this.
Oh my God.
Uh, I was your notes.
You did great.
Yeah.
This is a big one here.
Was it?
I'm ready to see.
I wanted to go see like was he lying a lot of these times he had an ace five. Oh, yeah
I mean, I had a pair of Kings. I think I won this one, right?
Holden style, no, but he had nothing
There's just no audio in this I don't hear shit, but I guess
jam when they hit a good I don't know what seemed a bunch or it's needed to use hey
why is this a good hand for some of us yeah it was happening why is this as
muted as it can get it's not muted first then my headset must have turned off
your headset must have turned off no streamer no streamer chat no yeah now
No, you're okay.
You check, you're gonna hear something.
No, it's not.
King eight is gonna hold up here, Tyler.
Why would he call that?
He pays off the difference.
The queen five hands.
Just as high.
That was when you're not gonna believe what he had on this.
You didn't see what he had.
I can't remember what you had.
What are we?
What are we?
I was very secure in four.
Ever since you avoided some, you avoided some disasters too.
Yeah, you got lots of those.
We played no poker.
I don't hate it. I never got pocket aces.
This guy is bitching about his games one time and he had a set of eights one time, too.
You avoided some disaster. He had. He got some big hands. You just started practicing.
Oh, I remember this. Oh, oh my God.
Guys, by the way, talking back in there.
Hey, man, this is a great opportunity if you to tune up for your third place match.
Yeah, I didn't have your son on my head.
I had you too.
Once I didn't hear your joke.
Oh, yeah, this is now though for Tyler, but nothing to be had there.
Have you seen a chicken for soda, Bob?
You want to grab a chair?
No, no, no, I'm going to write a letter of this takes on Botez in the grand finals.
There you go.
So right here million up top.
You like this one here?
You're going to raise the King.
Do you want anything today?
If you want to poke a pair of.
He's just you know, he's all we're all excited.
We're all excited.
That's OK.
I like that.
I like the discipline laid out.
How we doing? Let me let me get these dogs. Oh, I'm in the wrong chat. No, I'm not chat
I wish I wish I wish it live live stream myself watching. I was so high
I would do it. So fun. My god. I'm watching out in his little
Who you think wins this one who you got?
He actually got real lucky to stay alive late. He should have been dead three hands before it ended. Oh
Yeah, true. I was I was so
with the jack 88 I
Think that was I think that was a good tip the tip came through
Bluffing on a pair of work although
Your opponent is gonna have to tank to think about if they want to call threes
One wonders about the effectiveness of that bluff
Well, let me just pause so now stream
I'm not gonna be playing for a bit. There's gonna be I don't even I don't even think is it it's Wubby versus Tyler
Correct. They haven't even started yet because our game ended so that should end it fast
You'll probably be playing in about 30 to 45. Yeah, well, they'll be playing. No, no, they're gonna start now
They're gonna start right away. I don't start till nine. Oh, is that what they said? Yeah
It's that you might start earlier though. They said you might start I don't they're not starting earlier
Oh, I don't know they they said in the call with Tyler that they're yeah, they're starting. Okay
That's what somebody said. Okay. Yeah, so our with that being said they will not start ours earlier
I've never taken Hatterall in my life. I am naturally high. I was laughing all the time. I don't drink. I don't do I drink a little bit
I don't do drugs. I don't do that. I'm just I am so excited for my little brother
I told I told him you're like the guy at Thanksgiving that's just watching the game whatever game is on and you're just out of nowhere
No one else is watching
So you see a Ryan in the corner just that's me. So that is that's Ryan
So you can imagine him in the sunroom and the the character we got going on in there
Let me keep watching these certainly put it off
What do I have here? I had that shit here.
Oh, I was going for a straight game.
I was going for eight or four days in the straight.
So you made a good back.
Tyler just has ten highs going to let it go.
Tyler really didn't need to lose up to big pot with that is high.
I think maybe concern is opponent is trying to run what run a bluff on him early.
He bluffs a lot.
If I remember this, just some.
There was one hand where he had nothing.
He made a big thing, you know, and I was like, OK, I didn't I didn't hate it.
You know, you don't know.
The buffs are the fun part of poker.
Yeah, I think Tyler took notes from his last game and he started lying because he, he did not.
You told me he wasn't going to lie at all.
He didn't lie much.
He didn't lie much.
No, he didn't lie much.
No, he did not.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
All's are great.
Thank you.
Rise up.
Life's a little poker all about is getting out there and making some hands and betting
into your opponent to make them call.
So that's the bread and butter of poker is just good hands getting paid.
So that he lied a lot he lied a good amount. It's all okay. It's just the truth. It's the that's what it's all about
What is happening here, we have a re-race before I folded that car
What a big pot you can let us and taking it down. We are now
We're now getting to no man's land
We are
This guy's getting good heads. What is he talking about?
He got you dumb, because if a king comes on the flop, you're dead.
Whatever the deal, Brunson's saying.
Yeah, you're going to go.
Yeah, so you're re-raising.
We're re-raising four deers.
This actually is how I used to play heads-up, believe it or not.
This was my old style, until we knew that it was bad.
Open in a straight draw.
Hey, if I'm not a bluff, why not?
We're in trouble.
We could get really in trouble here.
Now, if the queen comes and you make a straight and he makes a pair, you're going to win big here.
But I was like, we're in trouble.
This is a bad situation for me.
I'm happy the way it worked out.
Okay, I don't know what happened. I'm so
A lot of money going in this straight draws
Tyler has what gave me the what did I win this place? What happened better king?
Oh, I lose better straight draw better every smart you your downship. You said, okay
What's that?
It could fire again. He checks
And now how will Tyler play it will he better? We check and kind of awkward to bet
He checks. He does have the best hand board paired. Oh, this is where I was at. Did you have the twos right? Yeah. Yeah. I was asking if you had the twos. Yes. Check though and Tyler will win this pot. He's going to bluff this river.
Oh, Charlie, I fold here, right? I fold you. Do you think about it?
What do I got? I wonder.
I have a feeling you either have a two or...
I'm gonna fold.
Tyler is bluffing.
I give it actually a good fold.
He's bluffing, but he also had a better hand than me.
So to pop it at once to call.
Fine, but you had fucking nothing, man.
Fuck.
You had nothing. You bluffing freak.
Paramates yes, you got a great hand here. We could really got in trouble
He did re-raise raise didn't think you'd call
Yes
What he says though.
Okay.
What he says.
True.
How about you?
Oh.
What's so weird.
I was looking too hot for you over there, huh?
You don't know that.
That's so much at the start.
I mean, it's looking really good for me here, by the way.
Extremely good.
He's not lying.
He says it's looking good for me.
Exactly.
He was trying to get my head by.
This motherfucker was just telling the truth.
He didn't know you had the notes.
So little.
Yeah.
Best hand of the day, good.
I'm just saying.
He said best hand of the day good. It's actually
Straight up telling me actually exactly, but like I think he's trying to like, you know levels of it, right?
You haven't I think you've lied every time you've said
And then he argues saying I'm not lying he's just even more truth. I really do that. He's actually just beyond honest
He's a good fool. It was. Yeah. He's just a good guy.
All right. Back to some commentary here. Yeah, that one. King, Queen,
Earth, King, Nine, Hand was interesting because Tyler was bluffing with King High and Soda had the
I got a great read on it
But his hand wasn't good enough to beat Tyler's blood
You almost caught him and you had the king nine and he had King Queen
You thought he didn't have anything when the two came on the river. Yes, and you thought about it
But if you called he was bluffing, but he's bluffing with a better hand
He had King Queen so if I re-raise he would have folded re-raise possibly. Yeah, possibly, but I still like the
Yeah, okay
So what can you really do you know you're kind of stuck
Oh, yeah, this is some two three four five six
Everybody has a coach just not everybody has a coach as good as me
Who that is a massive straight she has nothing
So they're getting some value with his straight Tyler calling with just King. Hi. What are we doing?
I'm scared chat
Brett in the river. Oh, no
He raised me on this Tyler
Tyler don't don't do whatever we're thinking here. Don't thank you
The good full time I was worried he had a flood what what wins straight or flush what
Flush beat straight this full house speed flush
Okay, cuz I had a full house one point. I was like he might have a flush, but I actually don't know what wins
I was wondering, were we waiting for you on the ace?
I was like, what are you doing if you fall in love with me?
Because I didn't know if flush wins.
And I was like, do I ask Tyler?
But wouldn't that?
I was like, no, not.
I don't know.
God, I hope you're watching this very slowly.
We didn't need to do anything more than just let that one go.
Throw it in the muck.
Move on.
No.
Tyler just had a queen on the hand.
Again, you won't.
We need to have at least a little something to do some floating,
at least like a touch, a taste, I had no taste back to this 49 offsuit.
I think he's got 10, five offsuit.
I know, but you don't know.
Yeah, it's fair now for Tyler.
We're going to take the lead and sort of pop with nine for which I've seen sort
of pop and play nine for offsuit in this tournament at least three times.
He thinks he's like nice work.
You're born in 94.
That's what Doug said.
He looked, he looked right now.
Watch him.
He's going to look up when you were born.
He's like, how does he see 32?
Look away.
He's born in 94.
That's why he plays nine for it.
I I just that's so that's why he said I'm playing too many hands. Yeah. Yeah. I see
I'm not gonna change my shit it is what it is. You know how that is not true
What year was soda popping born
This is scary
It's possible. It's possible. He was born in 94. Oh
Maybe that's why
94 that my friends
Got smart you you didn't go crazy and re-raising in you just I just I was here. I was thinking I had like a pocket
He's still ahead, but you flop the flush on percentage is wise you're ahead
He's ahead in the hand, but you yeah, but the next two cars. I'm looking good
It's just kind of sad when you're old enough. We look he folded. Oh
Looks like he was born in 94 to me
Getting too old man seen too much shit King I fluster I will take that down
Players having a good time enjoying some poker enjoying themselves on club WP T goal
Look at the smiles. I should say
What's this hands good? Yeah
I tell her we'll hocks in 100% gear change from laughing to
Gold look at the smile
That was a crazy lock on that was intense when you get a text from the girl
And what we'll sort of have an ace nine. He's gonna go ahead and min-raise
Limp min-raise
Call yesterday we take a flop. Oh
So I did he have the eights here
I think he I think he bluffs me here boards is good. That's a good tip. I like that tip hard to hit paired boards
We have a very large bet and sort of a call from Tyler. He's floating
He's floating with nothing.
Take another shot, please. Take another shot.
Oh, let's listen. I got it here.
I think I re-raised here, right? I did. I almost didn't.
Oh, it's by the big bet.
It is.
He's got a right.
I didn't have the ace, did they?
Ace.
Oh.
I wish you're a liar and a snake.
No, you'll see, bro. You'll fucking see.
every fucking time
have a game too
so let you know you're sitting here with 3-7
I think you guys are never attaching pussy 1
I think I phoned this shit
no I don't think you did
oh no I play this
unless I'm remembering
it's like a pussy it's embarrassing
bro I have nothing every hand
actually
yeah
and the hands I am winning
it's just you getting blocked
I have nothing every hand actually
pocket queens
oh now
this is when he starts lying huh
Yeah
Big hands trap he bets here and I fold right. Yeah, he bets I fold I'm out
By the way, so the pop
Poppin hands
Everything.
Everything.
Hey.
Find someone who loves you the way you are.
Oh, this is good.
So then, what's...
He goes first. He calls with Queen 5.
You have Ace, Queen. I think you're going to raise pre-plop.
Yeah.
Raise 3x and you're fine with that.
He calls.
I'm going to go ahead with commentary then we'll move back off it.
Bang. Oh, I'm...
Nothing beats me.
Yeah, what is he even what is he even going for?
This is the worst hit of the tournament and the only way he wins from here is if he gets
two queens back to back I mean or 4-8 or 4-3 so he needs two of the correct
cards and it's not even two queens you have a clue so he's just why is it
exactly why is he called watch it gets worse channel what yeah oh it's just
disgusting you have a full house here right yeah it's everything you can't be
beaten I can't hold on but I was scared that he might have two diamonds and I'm
doing the math just flush beat full house so this is this is why as I wasn't
sure what are we doing oh no what are we doing my dogs breaking in and out of
my fucking room for the doggy door they're going crazy
oh my god I think I understand the game now well you took your time didn't you
that on the river. Oh, big pot.
I'll tell you what, I do understand.
That's what you're doing.
What are you doing, Cole?
Because there's nothing that can beat me.
A-7, but there's no way. I mean, there's no way.
You're outfalling this in a full game, much less heads up.
But it is so, okay.
And you're calling 23,000 to win 117. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay. I see. Yeah.
It would be statistically just insane.
Call
He had so many things what is he talking about it's it what the French toast
Okay, let's make it quick
Okay, hold on. Let's this game was fast. Yes. I mean, I Jesus Christ. I'm gonna go for it this hand and
He just did it into a boat which
It's not gonna work Tyler is playing right now if you want to watch you know that one's because yeah, of course of course
Ryan's writing notes. Yeah, I can watch I can watch
Boat has this game actually or not Boat has it's Tyler versus
Okay, all right if it wasn't a boat you would have to be very scared
And it certainly could work. I'm cheering for I want Tyler to win his losers
I don't know what we too well. He's cool, but I know Tyler better. So I'm cheering for Tyler
But again, I think I would have preferred to see it with a straight draw or a flush anyway
The cards are reversed here. Look at he a trip. Are you a problem did not fold trips on the flop? I folded there other way
By the way, so to pop in three deuce, I'm telling you this is this is the Alan Keating of poker champs
Who's Alan Keenan?
I never saw a hand like this.
This is heads up. He's gonna play more hands.
Okay. I love that. Here we go.
Here we go.
He had more chips.
Been in there with legitimately every pre-pop pulling out of the sun.
Alright, we got a couple big hands here.
Ace-king for sort of popping. King 10-2.
You raised. He re-raised.
You come back. I think you re-popped.
Okay.
Tyler, could we see a big pot develop?
We are on our way. Raise.
Okay, so we're no offense, but this is the dream situation and if the cards are flipped he gets your whole stack
Yeah, this is very unlucky for him. You have ace King. He has keys
So what we both have pair eyes, but I've got an ace
So you've got him drawing so thin the only three cards a deck to help on our tens so and again
If it's flipped you play it the same way and he gets all your so he got rings. He got unlucky here very unlucky. Yeah, okay
This match could end
This pops 12 came out Taylor is leading
this match is already on the line.
Life support, been raised.
I'll tell you one thing I would have done.
Okay, go on.
So I raise.
It could be fucking anything.
Because he raises again.
At that point, that signaling he has something big, I would have liked to see.
Just watch.
Wait, what do you mean by shove?
All your shove.
All your shove.
We'll make a bigger re-raise.
Well, you said, because he has something big, I should shove?
Yeah, because you know you've got, you know what I'm saying?
You've got the biggest hand.
But what if he has a pocket aces?
Congratulations.
It's just like on the other one.
He's got one or two hands that could beat you.
You can't take that risk.
You have too good a hand to fold.
You're never folding.
OK.
Again.
OK, let's make it quick, Tyler.
Go ahead.
Make it quick.
I don't care, bro.
And now all you do is care.
He says, I don't care.
But he really thinks he's got it.
Of course he does.
He's got top pair.
Yeah, he's right to think so.
I'm going to call.
That's it did
This pot is
Again, I'm scared that he could have three of a kind
And he could but in this situation especially now that there's a hundred and fifty two thousand chips in the pot
And you only have 47,000 left that's worth the risk. You know I'm saying
So it'd be one thing if you had you know, if y'all were both had a it was the first hand of the tournament
You know, yeah, but at this point you've got 47,000 left. You ready to put that much in yeah, we gotta go. Okay, okay
I said, bro, I'm gonna be an email
Let's see
Well, so why did he get more here because when y'all started the hand he had more
Look, he went on him as you only call him. I see I see so that's why it extended there
What what the fuck you got crumbs he had a hundred and one and then I took some time I raise he folds
Next time watch this one. This is a very interesting hand. Okay, you're dominated here ten king versus ten six. You're dominated
This is flop just fuck him
When I knew that at his position, I thought if I didn't know for that amount of chips you gotta go
Yeah, let's go. Yeah, but I was thinking my head like if I was in position
I'm only playing something if it's really good
And I was also thinking maybe he just has to fucking play it
So that's why I was like maybe six times good enough ten highs pretty up there. I'll call that. Let's let's see
Let's see what you got 10 King, huh?
Bro, but what happens though, but watch what happens watch what happens, okay, so you've got him down in here, right? It's over
Now look at the board you have you had sixes full of tens at this point right here, right? Yeah
Yeah, now you have tens full of sixes. He also has
Yes
See pretty quick. It's not over. You're still in
Another crazy hand for him, but I got the ace high
And I went with a sign
He's not happy. Okay. All right. Why don't you watch them for a little bit? I'm gonna finish my notes and then we'll talk
Okay, all right
Okay, okay, let's go to the live match here. Let's see what's going on
Have they started is the game over? Oh the game is over who lost teal one lost
Okay, just a thousand shit pot this
could have been over I
Think that this match is it gonna last a long time. I'm thinking limps. I'm thinking check folds
This next match. This could be an hour. Maybe two hours game to match. Come on Tyler. Come on Tyler
I'm cheering for you. What do you guys think?
Here we go. OK. OK.
Pocket fives pocket fives.
Ace, I've suited.
Oh, did he just fold?
Really? He could have.
I guess it is scary.
What the fuck?
Are we just looping here?
What is happening?
Press live.
I feel like I am in the live zone.
Am I not?
Oh, my.
98% What is what are they worth flipping?
Oh, they're changing the camera.
Oh, oh, oh, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, we know he has seven eight nine
He doesn't have a flush. He doesn't have a straight wrong
He doesn't have a straight yet pocket ace is I think takes this
He does not have a flush
Wait Tyler wins that Tyler wins that
Come on Tyler big bet
He ain't got nothing he folds
He calls for what?
For what?
For fucking what?
What do we what do we call in there? What do you have?
Pocket rockets my guy
Wow the nine pair I guess I lied
Oh, what might be baiting what's happening players and we'll take it back to the commentary booth here everybody
Paravates
Versa will seven eight nine ten Jack and match here in the third place match second leave whatever leave Tyler
Flee
Oh my god, he has it. All right. We have it. Hold on. What a flop straight. No, no
No, instant all in no, why would we do that? That's a is that not crazy?
No, I'll just leave Tyler leave let him waste his straight
Tyler don't Tyler don't Tyler don't touch. Yes
copot
Fold that was a tough one guys. It was a tough one press live bottom left. Okay, click some some way to end there you go
I want to listen to you guys first like let's turn it back on. Let's tap it. That's an insane all
My ears just got blown out with how loud you claimed you were lying. Do you remember that? I I remember that
So I'm lying. We're little liar pants
XQC fell for it, but XQC literally told me to go all in there was the banter involved
Okay, hold on oh
On the board nice
Big Lord it's like a when you mess up
That's a win for me
Okay, two nine offsuit three three five offsuit Tyler two shades of shit
Play this pocket ace is very aggressively in that one hand where Wubby had nine eight and nine
The loose aggressive image can't work for you when you hit hands. Well, just don't believe you
Call you down pretty loose
I think I would like to get a re-raised there pre-pop from Wubby, usually these suited connected
kinds of hands.
You want to make a move, look to bluff some later streets.
But if you do call, I get to check for that fault.
He had hold on.
Parasix is here.
We're an interesting hand developing a pair.
It's something Tyler, but he's scared of a pair of Kings and a pair of aces,
but he should do something here to turn a straight draw to four or an eight or.
Here you go.
Do you still a little something and Tyler is going to take the lead and lead into Wubby.
And when the pot right there.
When the pot right there on the flop
Don't try this at home kids. Mmm seven nine suited versus nine ten. This is home. All right, ten nine
Yeah, they're both gonna play
Because I really do like to three bet the nine seven suited and that's a close that's close to a straight
But we also got two pair if I was like, I think I'd rather be Tyler here
No need to three bet
Oh, oh, oh, we are all in call. No way. No way. Don't give him the straight
bang
GG, baby. Give him the money
You wonder what I would get out with you. I know what
We did well. You think I like I'm good at life here. No, no, I we're on the same wavelength my guy
I think we're in the same boat. Just stop rocking it. Let it go. Let's see what happens
I just I feel Doug's gonna be one. Did he just tell me add to pair? I feel like we didn't get to hear it
But he literally was like dude, I got to pay you should fold and and Wubby just didn't believe it
Yeah, I'm here now
These are my moves this one I do and he can't handle the heat and he's losing
Well, it's one one. It's all time. It's all time. He's trying to reverse psychology,
but he's just straight up telling the truth. It's funny. Okay. So just you're giving me
advice right now. Well, I mean, you want me to lose?
You can take that.
Oh, his coach's name was rampage. Yep, that is that. Your name's Doug. Tyler, you want
to see, honestly, I will go all in this first hand.
this is 25K old coward Tyler one that's what they call him like I know what
streamers have too much money but like this is no joke what what kind of money
do they have are you kidding me let's get the $25,000 and then let's interview
whoever got their ass kicked to make them feel bad all right guys I'll do it
I'm in I'm in there Tyler
He has kick money true kicks actually gives so much money. I
Don't shame on kick. Maybe I should
No, I think as streamers we deserve respect, so it's kind of unusual
I'm coping okay, what it's a big reaction
Let's do a little call
Let's see. I don't see shit. I don't see shit deaths. Come on. Doug chop chop. You know what I mean?
What do they have? What do they have?
There we go, there we go, there we go, there we go.
He was so honest. Oh, Tyler's got the Paranimes.
Paranimes versus King High.
Folding. Oof.
No, no, he didn't have anything. The cars were reversed. Okay, we're good. Good fold.
What? What a hand. What a hand. No, but I said it first though. What a hand. I said it first. So there's nothing really.
Okay, guys, we are now live with me, you boy. DP in the house.
I'm just going to put this straight here on the turn for Wubby gutter gutter though for Tyler Jack comes he will move into the lead does not bet on the river from Wubby how is Tyler going to play versus this bet.
Let it go.
Okay.
I wasn't even watching that I'll be honest.
I'm just I feel like this could be very very very long match. It just it's got it's got
For nine painstaking lymph folding the button. I hope it's a long match. I'll be honest
I'm kind of not ready for my finals yet. It's Tyler. I'm sweating mentally
And in fact, he does move in the lead flopping a four
I will be played this with his king high para fours versus nothing king. I
hmm
Then again Tyler's got a low pair so it's kind of iffy
We get a call taking a turn
Very spicy turn flush draw now
For what be king I flush draw both players turn gut shots
Blast draw or check calls. Okay, so Tyler's got the winning hand
I always got the best hand he will win unless he decides to fold on the river. There we go. There we go
There we go leads
With King high cool interesting
King hi
What do we we got going on here? I
Mean does he care anymore? Oh, we got a mere match jack for both players mere match right raise men three bet
Men four bet call
This accept that you lose. I'm hoping I get lucky cards, but you're not wrong. She's definitely a better poker player
Again, it's more aggressive probably gonna win this one five on the turn
Check Tyler do he checks it back
Well, they're both over here. We go. There is there's playing for fun right now. They don't even know it
Hey, but they're playing for fun. Tyler Ray is colorful. Everything's in play. I
Could say it doesn't matter I think
Yes, he does. Chop it up guys. Chop it up.
Even ballgame. 100k stacks each.
One bit with Wubby. Got the queen seven suited.
Let me see something.
Tyler tried to fold which is not good. Usually we want to not open fold
I feel like she might be watching me watch this to hear my thought process
No, she's not all the tips here at poker champs like that strategy. No, she put that on her screen and she does she's studying
She's studying
Probably watching me. Fuck you Alex
It is nice the software does give you I know you're here. That is nice
Nice. That's why I play in club. She watched you watch. Yeah, I need my software.
Brian's watched hers. The checking is free.
Think a lot of sites. Think a lot of sites.
It has happened a lot throughout this tournament where players have tried to
fold the checks and then realized that no, they can in fact not fold.
It's good. It's good. It's healthy. Good for the game to take your free turn guard back
to this hand. We have a pair for Wubby in the lead up against King high for Tyler. He's
going to call the fucking river only card in the river that could help him. Here we go.
Here we go. Do something here. Tyler do something. He's already in little deep. He's going to
fall instantly. I think he's playing poker. We have a min
raise on the river and a snap call from Wubby. That pocket was
Tyler's way. Chipping up a little bit. Fireworks could
launch at any time. All it takes is someone to get a parent
and open under and that's all she wrote. Oh, couple of hands
here pocket threes. You know, it one of the things that really
Confuses me is the suits changing on the cards because if it's a feat of their cards, how can the suits change?
Yeah, I don't know the feed is just being weird the tech support team. How's that possible?
Double-nines complaints
Oh my god, that is
is when he checks, he bats, he's got a pocket pair.
We got live poker table, but we're streaming online.
All right.
Back to this flop, 998s.
We have King High for Tyler.
We have pair of threes in the lead for Wubby,
but it can get scary with the pair of threes.
And Tyler's just gonna fall as King High.
Interesting way threes was getting some value,
if you bet there, but.
Isn't Alex Spotez, the lady your mother eliminated
first on the streamer dating show about you linked?
to get counter maybe it rolls off I don't remember you're just playing the board don't
know where you're watching right now the ability don't care jack five king eight nine three
dudes flop here who's ready to get ourselves a winner in this match what are these guys
laughing about let's listen in 910 think I shit you're winning Tyler they're
taking this one slow it's crazy mmm terrible timing do it come on Wubby do
it lose the base three-bit call I do I want to lose no of course not I'm
I'm competitive, but I'm just having fun.
Are you having fun?
It's a weird flex, bro.
This is for what?
You're more got real quiet.
Wow, you must have something to consider.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I respect it.
I respect it.
You know, he folds, he folds.
Oh, he doesn't do now.
Take it.
Yeah, he folds.
Wow, big fold.
Incorrect.
Oh
Big incorrect full wide
We're playing poker poker champs
You know, that was actually
playing like
catchphrase. Yeah, a wonderful
time. Do you want to hear it?
To learn how to play poker.
It's a man. That's good champs.
You can use a good hand. So,
do you hear me? Santa? That's
something I say outside of
this. No, I'm like a stream.
Yeah, what's yours?
Well, we have an exciting board here, huh?
You look at the board and you're like, no.
I fold.
We don't.
Mmm.
Very weak check.
I'll match you.
Can I hear it again? Was it words or was it just sounds?
No, but...
Check, check.
It's not in the chart.
What is that bet?
Take it.
Absolutely a considerable lead. There's no way we lose now.
They fall over the straighter on a fuss try there for Wubby.
Wow. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. OK, we're playing.
Oh, really? We're calling.
Same suit, but shades of shit on the board.
Tyler, get out of there.
Get out of there. Yep. There you go.
That is shut.
He's scared to play.
Shut this guy's.
Scared.
Oh my god, yep saying I got I got this hand all the time in my last year in my first series that I won
You remember the games you won if you would okay. He's got a pair
Tyler's winning. I have a memory. It doesn't even know he's a pair of twos if it two flops. It's it's horrifying
But it won't every word come on Tyler play that shit out. Nope. No, no, no. He checks
We're paying plus two, okay, we're hitting it.
He's still in good shape.
We're checking.
He checks again.
Oh.
Don't fall for Tyler, but again, nine in King are horrifying.
I fold.
Yeah, I fold.
And Wobby gets the bluff through.
Can't do that.
Can't do that.
Can't do that.
That would have been a good time for the catchphrase that you had.
What is the fold I think that's I think it's a very fold sounding catchphrase
My beat people
It's more of a victory speech
Then we're six seven spammers
Let's talk with Ryan. I'll be a bad king. I gotta check the notes guys
What did the notes say?
Hmm
So what you got like Queen three offsuit
What does that even mean bro?
It's pretty clear what that means take it
I should cookie now by the way, I'm like squinting at my notes
Yeah, blinds increase
to do it now. Lines are up, might need glasses. Poker is up.
We're ready. Hey, I'll take a limp in here with a six.
We'll be going to check. Oh, two peri now.
Are you saying we can't fold anymore? Is that a new rule?
It's a pot. All right.
I'm scared of two big lines.
I don't use these.
Oh, that's incorrect.
Check the notes.
Mouse, beach, beach, mouse.
What's in those notes?
What do they say about a tie on a 3-line plot where we are on them?
What do they say about that?
Beach, mouse, beach, beach, mouse.
Nice.
That's a big pot, wasn't it?
It looks really can't do that.
I think there were two whole big lines in there.
The notes helped in that spot, I would say.
It was all notes in fact this pot is basically worth the same now
These 10-7 both players missed the flop
I
Just had a weird lock-in moment. I don't know what happened
You're making cranes over there, dude.
Okay, this is what I'm going to do.
Tell me what you need to do.
Okay, so you want to play?
Yes.
Okay, I'll join you.
Is that a folding joke?
Hold on.
Holding.
I want to see what you do.
Wow.
That was a really great joke.
That was so good.
That was such a good joke.
I feel like a lot of people might have not gotten that.
I didn't get that for a while.
I don't know.
I'm gonna make you pay. Wow. All right, but back to this hand. Not much going on. We got a top pair versus top pair and a raise here
Tyler snap call from Wabi. I'm there's no way you do something liver. You're gonna go on you want to end it back to league
What's the cool down?
For what you tell me
Works, I don't that's so that that check is so cheeky
Well the check makes it so you have to give me information first
Yeah, that's well said. I'm sorry. I didn't play the form of it because you just go check that makes sense
Like yes, you have to give tell me what you want to do and I get to read that
40 chess guys
200 I do the texture of the armrests at the table rat
checks it back. Oh
Nice kicker. Oh my god. I thought you had fucking two pair. No, we had the same
We had the same pair and then you had a better kicker
Are we here? Are we here?
Don't tell him.
But I brought this over here.
Just in case.
Just in case.
He wins. We're going to celebrate.
All right. So yeah.
Long.
Okay.
What did you think I said?
No, I don't know.
Something to look into.
What's going on audio wise?
Aniside is great.
Oh, no, no, no.
I don't want to be commentary.
All right, let's meet the players should have done that earlier and get back in here.
All right.
Pocket threes for Tyler.
He's going to just call.
Blinds are up to 1200 now.
So certainly raising quickly and we have an open ender for Wubbie on the 655 flop.
Okay.
Pocket threes for Tyler are good, but for how long?
long goodness gracious how long are those three good well they might be long
wow longer five on the turn really one of the best ones you can hope for I
mean what the fuck does what do you even have does he have anything why
would he call this what does he have for hi right hold on he couldn't have called
it's for hi what the fuck is that what are you doing what's going on yeah
straight draw? Yeah, there's trips out there. Okay. Rep quads. Oh man, if he reps quads. Oh man,
if he reps the quads. Okay, that could have been an epic epic. He's hoping for a straight. Well,
epic, epic hand. But crazy call against repping quads. And I think that that's a pretty fair decision
to not rep quads. Repping quads. It's, it's thin. It's a thin one. It you really don't have quads
and people tend to not believe you when you're up quads and at this level, my personal fear would be my opponent is shaking with excitement because they have trips.
I have three fives.
I can't fall at three fives.
That's legitimately could happen in this tournament so.
Rep quads at your own peril.
But not what happened here. All right.
Hmm
Ten seven queen six both missed the flop
Tyler wins with Queen here, but he's probably scared of that King
Okay, we're betting a little bit just a little bit
King for juice
Okay, how are we doing just repping quads mean buffing? I don't know. There's a lot of lingo. I'm just not following
It's all under one feed
Well, I guess whatever
Fuss draw now for Wubby. I guess a gutter for Tyler who has the best hand technically, but it's going to be hard to put too much money in with just the gut shot straight draw.
I think that's the turn.
Now what's Tyler going to do? Tinking it over, mulling it over.
making cranes they say however hardy word that making cranes
that's excellent that's an excellent excellent excellent saying
open under now for how are they still going Bobby King I think Tyler takes this unless he gets
This is get some crazy unlucky hand about the full pot.
Take it down.
I could get behind that.
It's a good hand.
Good spot to bet.
We'll get bored.
Maybe.
Tyler with a slightly less than two to one ship edge here.
But it's tied 1-1 Tyler could legitimately get third in this thing. I mean he played a couple of wild hands, but oh
Oh, hold on 50 K. Does he play this close this lead out? He will win 75. Okay, he puts it. Okay on
70 K here. I
Mean they really just have a high card each but Tyler's got them. It's still somehow good
That's the turn what will Wubby do with a straight draw he calls and
Bricks a thing is good. I mean Tyler wins that. Oh, we're betting more kind of weird
Tyler's gonna know way he stays no way he stays be gonna do
fold
Tyler extends his lead
Things he was bluffing and I guess to be fair he was but he did have the best of it
Little wins his turning he's going right back to blackjack days. I don't think so. I
Got wow forever
Oh hold on here's our cards there we go Tyler's got the winning hand here he takes this oh wait ten jack
Oh, the Jack is looking kind of scary here.
Eight, nine, ten, ten, seven, eight.
Oh, now a nine is scary.
Once again, the best hand.
Tyler's had the best hand quite often in this match, but hasn't
it been monsters?
Tyler wins it.
I card hands for Wubby.
Just sitting there praying things change.
Hope he's not counting on anything.
We'll be time enough for counting
When the deal is done do a big bet there Tyler come on you can finish him off here
Actually, hold your seas he's gonna
Hey, both checks okay, we're in there. I guess it's fair. I ain't here no bell
We've the third place match now and coming up after this the grand final soda poppin burst boats as in the finals
Should be a fun one ooh
Ooh, Tyler's getting some fucking hands.
Tyler, buddy, up against a piece of shit.
What?
Oh, I was talking about his hand.
I was like three. OK.
Hello. How dare how dare someone infer otherwise?
What did it? What did Wubby do to this guy?
Some people, you know, chat.
All in.
Fold.
I like that fold with six three.
I think you could fold 6-3, and I think it's fine.
It's a fine thing to do.
In fact, I would, dare I say, recommend it.
I would recommend folding the 6-3.
is King King. He's on the turn.
I always got ten high.
Wubby's got nine high.
Ten on the river.
He's getting melted.
It takes it down.
Kaka, the fuck?
Three to one chip advantage now for Tyler.
Blinds all the way up 3200.
I'm honestly kind of shocked we've gotten to these high blinds.
I'm pretty shocked
Insta-fold I thought at the speed the velocity that these last two matches were going I
Thought we were gonna have a pretty quick one, but it's really managed to turn into a bit of a battle
We'll be hanging tough three to one chip dog
I always gotta do a double up one time then they even stacks double this shit Tyler just check and fold check and fold
It's away from 25,000 bucks
Tyler's checks and folds bro stack him one time to win get a little respect around here for Tyler
Get a little respect chat. I'm so tired. Somebody's got to get a little respect. I'm not supposed to be live this long
32 years old bro
Zero stream delay or can they cheat there will be a stream delay or has anything. Oh, he's got a pair three
Oh, they both have a three now. Wabi's kicker will play the jack does play in this situation. He bets full pot
Wow
What a ruthless value bet this in an energy drink
Ruthless value bet I've been drinking it like this late into the day. I've been drinking it too cooked
I had two threes bro
But you had a high car
Oh my god. These hands are bad. Let's be honest.
They are pretty bad.
What are they talking? They've got some crazy hands going on.
It hurts, dude. It hurts.
I think I was going to say, bro, is she just getting a little lucky? Look at you.
Let's see. Let's see.
Hey, but if you bet anything, you have something.
Let's go ahead and mute this.
Alright, 2-1 chip advantage now for Tyler.
Blinds keep going up 4800 chat 13 big blinds.
Oh, we've voted queen.
No, it's queen five off.
He had queen five off not suited.
We just we just had a glitch in the matrix.
I call here now.
We have a raise
King man suit it gets it done these boys wait you're tired for the magic in protest this is gonna probably better
Honestly, I have to end if I just sitting here quietly. I will say this who will
Raise call 20k in the middle
No one hits anything
Well Tyler buff the flop he does that should be good enough and it takes it down
I think we're on the ropes now.
This match is a $125,000 match.
This has been the longest match of the entire tournament.
I don't know how it's possible.
This match is literally for $125,000.
Honestly, I would have taken so much money against that,
that these guys would not have had the money for the tournament.
But yet, here we are.
didn't someone get the nice hundred big wine level is that a level 36 okay I
thought I was not gonna say but maybe I'm just crazy
regardless we're at 64 this one's for 25 yay this is losers bracket we have a
all in by the way oh we got king queen this should be it let's listen to the
players. He calls that, surely. He folds. Oh my God. Too reckless. Heartbreak. I'm leaving
the audio on. Does he not call that? Maybe not. Maybe when you're that far ahead. Maybe
be stupid all right oh my god oh oh shit come on baby come on baby
hey here we go bro oh start it you're not out we're just eating
one of the odds bro I know it's I'm saying right now we start as in the
game yep you got a fucking ace huh yeah
all in now the planes are so high we'll just leave the audio one for the ride if it wasn't
clear the ride guys really down to what cards you get dealt now that's where we're at dude
actually bro holy shit come on pick it pick it pick it pick it pick it
I'm not going to play it.
How do you feel here?
Not going to entertain it?
Nope, not interested.
Oh my god.
Wait, you're actually just not going to play a hand if you get God mode?
You're going to see me do two things.
hold all in
Hey, well welcome to the show
Oh, oh nine eight all in versus jen three and oh
Oh
It couldn't read the board
good game good game guys guys guys guys the reactions you both made on the jack
river was one of the saddest things you both simultaneously screamed out one
enjoy one agony. And then you both saw the other person.
Your emotions switched.
Oh, that's a little bit of a weird duck.
And then it's a day.
Oh, baby.
I can take that thought overall. That's whether to say the
fourth. Let's go. Let's go.
Get it, man. You made the podium. You got 75.
It's better by one whole number.
Finish. Congratulations, Tyler. Wobby. No dice today, man. No
dice today.
That's okay. It was fun. I mean listen us both mixing up our reactions at the end if either one of us are walking away feeling proud
I think that's a level of delusion. I'm not ready to
They call you big T for delusional
I'm just saying that makes me say I'm delusional a little bit.
He admits it.
True.
That was a fun match.
I was most surprised just to see how long it went.
I think that was officially the longest match so far.
Was that third match there?
You guys did it.
At that point, is it just coming down to who has better cards?
More or less.
Huge fold with King Queen or Wubby went all in for 40 K. Why did you let that one go?
So I read my notes. I was like, okay
I'm really all in it here and my highest and what if you get one pair and I don't get any pair
Just King I just lose bro. It's losing. I don't know
Let me get any sense. I just hard excited. I
had nothing like you guys I'm gonna turn my stream off
Because I have to turn on my three-minute delay
So my stream is gonna be a whole lot of fucking nothing for three minutes because it has to build up
So I'll be right back. You'll see future me or yeah, you'll see future me in three minutes. Good luck. Thank you all appreciate it
We're back
you
you
you
you
you
you
and you both rockin away with
some money for winning. So
congratulations. Fun games
today. Thank you. Thank you.
Shout out to these guys. Set
this up. Appreciate you guys.
Thank you. Club WPT gold.
gold. Hell, yeah. Hi, yeah.
All right, we have one last match.
The final, the grand final of poker champs.
Bo Tez taking on soda poppin.
That's me.
Marvel's quarter million up top for the winner will be back soon to play down.
I think they both actually really earned it.
I would say they both were, from my opinion, the best players I've seen so far in the field.
I'll take that.
This is at the stage a little bit.
Bo Tez, obviously a background in poker, with the odds-on favorite coming in, has played
a lot of poker.
And Soda Poppin, maybe not what you would expect.
He has not dropped a single game yet.
He is 4-0.
No one has, I don't even think he's been close to losing one.
So we have a steamroller and sort of pop and coming in against what you would expect me up too much.
Now I'm gonna lose.
And that's coming up to you for you next after a short break.
Father on break?
I wanted this money.
No, you don't.
Four streamers.
How have you been?
Zero clue.
A flush beat of a house?
Yes.
Overcooked.
Today, the thrilling conclusion to poker champs.
I don't remember the last time I've been this nervous.
The final four play down to a winner.
Let's fucking go!
Who will snatch victory from the jaws of his teammates?
What is it, Fluff?
I'm little here.
I don't care.
I'm sorry to excuse you, sir.
I'm actually shaking right now.
I don't know how to move my feet.
Oh!
I don't know how to move my feet.
How do you feel, E-Money?
You tried getting my head.
So we just kind of set the table here for you guys
and your viewers.
This is poker champs is an eight I'm gonna call it
Influencer stream
Every single
I think I think calling her is a power move right power move
She answers
I
You would van are you guys ready to jump this poker here? Yes? I am
Yeah, I guess I guess so
Or maybe maybe not answering the calls of power move and just leaving me on fucking and hold
That's crazy
So, if I have a queen and a king here, what would I have?
I got a straight.
Oh, okay.
You don't got that.
Okay, yeah, keep that against me.
One more time, come on.
you wasn't three of a kind beat a two pair
What are you trying to say you have here?
I know they've gone bluffing.
Did you just pay for extra time? How did you get extra time?
Tell me what you had in mind.
I'm not going to get extra time.
I'm not, you know.
is just a bot I guess? What is going on? What am I doing here by the way? Am I just waiting?
Huh. I mean, I'm here, I'm in a call, I'm waiting for her to join, I'm just AFK. Oh,
there's a bad one update.
It's quiet. I'm the only one here.
Hmm. And it ended.
Hey, we call again. Hello, what's going on?
Okay, she said few minutes.
Okay
Well, she just has to call me apparently she's like taking time awkward
All right, I'll let me have Kay
We're not live I'm my stream is hey are you guys on a call together now oh now she's calling me yeah
Yeah. Perfect. Perfect.
Hello, hello. What's going on?
It took your time, didn't you?
I was telling you, congrats on your big win.
Well, you too, Alex.
Yeah. So I didn't answer because I didn't want you
to have the power of me calling you.
So that's why I like that you picked up as soon as I called you.
A little eager if I'm being honest.
You're alive, everyone. We are alive.
Welcome to the grand final. Congrats, you two.
Good job.
Feeling good. Feeling good, Doug.
Yeah. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Let me unmute Doug.
About this, uh, this exciting high stakes match.
He's unmuting you.
I am you to do.
I apologize and I would like to apologize by reminding.
Well, what are you?
Well, Doug, what are you doing?
Alex, were you like, what's going on?
You had all the time in the world to practice.
It's not like I watch your lesson with Garrett or your match with excuse.
You see, that would be crazy.
Oh, really?
You see my match with Tyler?
Um, yeah.
Well, that one I watched live.
Ah, okay, I see.
But I appreciate that you actually took this seriously, like, you studying...
It's 250 fucking thousand dollars!
I know, it's a big deal!
I don't know what kind of stream of money, pay money...
I don't even care, bro, or Felix, like, dude, I don't even care.
My asshole, this is ridiculous.
This amount of money for poker noobs, yeah.
I agree, I agree, and everybody's been like, yeah, I'm not that nervous,
or I'm only nervous on call.
sweating since yesterday and I appreciate that you're on the same page.
Absolutely. And fuck you by the way, because I know you've played this game and you have a lot more experience in poker.
So fuck you. I'm going to start with that.
As you know, it's anybody's game. So.
All right. Hold on. Hold on. Doug, Doug, would you say that your career is based on luck?
Sorry. Wait, what? Is that you asking me?
Yeah, I'm asking you because she's saying it's like it's a matter of luck the whole game. It's anyone's game, right?
And I'm saying, you know, is your career based on luck?
That's what she said.
Just throwing it out this, whatever.
No, no, it's a long run.
It's skill day to day can be luck.
And I will.
I want to give you guys both a compliment before you get into this.
I feel pretty confident and I think you two played the best poker of anyone.
I saw me a man.
I think this is the finals that we deserve.
I think you guys have the best grasp of the game and obviously you hit the
right hands in the right spots, but you both deserve to be here.
And so you even lose a game.
True, but I went against two intimidating. She did lose to E-Rob once which is weird, but I did have two of the biggest idiots
Just throwing it back to back. I did learn about an hour ago that a flush does not beat a full house. Oh
You weren't joking. No, I
Really, I sat there ever in the call button Ryan was watching and he's like, what were you thinking?
I was like, I wasn't sure if a flush one or not. I had no I actually didn't know
Now I know because if you beat me, I look really the ego is so minuscule here out of this grand scheme of $250,000. Well, 125 because we already both
won a lot. Yeah, no, this is this is huge. I think you win. By the way, the headline has to be streamer wins quarter million doesn't know flush loses to full house.
house that'd be a great I might be one of the you know in percentage wise I'll be one of the
richest poker players in the world just based on flat percentages of people who've played
100 true okay we're ready over here once again best two out of three if uh you both win one we go
to a third match we'll do a post game interview afterwards to congratulate the winner and of
course need a loser so let's fire it up guys we're ready to roll all right let me have fun
Oh, I gotta find the game. Where is this under two? Oh, and I need to get on the right scene, too
Yeah, same I've admitted it. I'm not gonna lie. I mean if you're a human being you're nervous here
Where is this crazy to not to pretend you're not okay? I registered it says poker champs final
Don't say our names poker champs for final or finals. That's us. Yeah, cuz they cuz they cuz they didn't know who is gonna win
You know, I see well the other ones have I guess it makes. That's all right register. I mean good luck
God speed to just making sure
shows up on OBS
On the right corner
I just go to the no share share your notes with the class absolutely fucking not I
I would really appreciate that. I'm kind of new to this mmm. I see
I'm just adjusting my
Go ahead and fold that instantly
Nice good to see you learn how to fold. I wasn't sure not that I watched your games
It's true. I never fucking learned a fold that instantly really good at the fold button today
I feel like you're folding more than I do. What's happening is what it is
Hmm
So what's the story behind your little cat
It's my logo
I actually paid $10,000 for a logo and it was so shit that some random viewer drew some shit in paint and I liked it more
And that's been my logo
Damn so minus 10 K
Yeah, at least you locked up 125. Not a bad day. Exactly, exactly.
Take it. OK.
Wait, this is you're folding way more than any of your other notes.
You have don't mean fucking anything.
Did you are you adjusting your player?
I'm a stretch changer.
OK, I'm you for in five minutes, then I saw the rest of your matches combine free.
You never know what I got.
You never know what I got.
Check. Checkmate.
OK, OK. We're going to check here.
Okay.
Little raise.
It's valid.
What the fuck do you have?
Did you change the color of your, your shapes?
Like with the board?
No, I should have done that.
I'm sure I've done that.
Let me see if I can do that.
Maybe after this hand.
Oh yeah, that looks better.
that maybe after this hand aha oh yeah that looks better
okay fuck it fuck it
interesting but
I have a weird feeling you had in there.
So there's a coward.
It's fine.
It's right in that down.
Let me check my notes.
Yeah, that checks out.
I'd rather be a winning coward than what happened to Tyler one.
But you are losing so far.
I'm starting out there's forever.
No, it's true.
It's true.
You've got a lot of big lines next to you.
Are you using chips or big lines?
I'm a BB main for sure.
Okay, nice.
Okay.
Okay. Wow. You have a huge lead. Do you feel good?
I feel fucking good. Yes, actually. I'm taking a screenshot.
Okay.
Wow. More money if the rich get richer.
That's true.
Is your brother watching? He must be.
He is in the living room watching on the TV. Yes.
My family is also watching and they'll be sad.
Well, you know what?
That's how life goes.
You know, wipe your tears with 125,000 fucking dollars.
Yeah, likewise, right?
And that goes really far in Texas.
Check here.
Reasonable.
I was really impressed how often people folded with the worst hands.
What do you mean by that?
I'm being sarcastic.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I thought there was some tech.
I mean, you know this better than me.
No.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
A big race.
You notice the small things, huh? Okay.
Well, three BBs in there again.
You're a greedy man.
Okay, I want a little check there.
Interesting, you checked so you don't have diamonds do you?
Hold it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. You're a disciplined man.
You like what you see?
Are your cards, are the cards you're looking at also green?
Are they?
At least one, right?
at least have one. I gave you the best price. Yeah, I fuck that shit. I couldn't have made
Did it any cheaper, even on the Texas budget.
Are you doing what Garrett would do here?
Fuck if I know.
I hope so.
I do be hoping so.
We'll raise here.
Okay, nice raise.
I'm trying to not tell you fucking anything Alex. I know you're picking apart my words. I feel like you studied the rhythm friendly conversation. I'm sure you fucking are. I am not like you have time and tells you know, I actually might have timing tells and I might I don't know what my tells are.
I'm not like you have time in tells, you know, I actually might have timing tells and I might I don't know what my tells are excited haven't played this game.
What you're doing so well.
I mean I haven't you know what I'll feel good even if I lose to be honest.
That's valid.
You
Did you watch my games? What did you learn?
Alex, I didn't watch any of your games. I have my brother who watched everything and then fed me notes.
I wouldn't understand what I'm looking at if I watched your games. I really wouldn't.
Well, your father's really sweet.
Oh, he's the best. I love him to death. The fuck? He folded instantly. Okay, all right. It's whatever.
I had decided while I was listening to your answer.
I
Fold
The blinds are going down see and I everyone always tells me what that means
I know what it means, but like I don't know what the fuck to do with it
Right, right
Okay
I'm going to tell me one card sure no absolutely not.
I wish I could put like sunglasses on I guess it doesn't even matter you can't even see
me god in game in IRL poker would stress me the fuck out it'd be so bad it is it's
really stressful in person.
Like after role play.
That actually could work.
Hmm.
You're playing really well.
Okay. Take that.
Nice hand.
Hmm.
Let's have something good in there.
I must.
See you at layout, okay.
Take it.
Thank you, thank you.
Okay, yeah, why would you fold with the button there?
Actually, I can't tell you I was about to you almost got me.
Interesting.
Like, can't you just hit check?
Am I crazy?
Or do I just not know things?
Um, no, I have to call us.
I have to put in at least point five.
Okay.
Oh, there you go.
And then that.
Yeah, exactly.
It's okay.
Take it.
Thank you. Thank you.
Take it.
Wow, why are you folding so much?
Oh, yes, not enjoying what I'm seeing.
Just you look like an all hands
enjoyer from what I saw.
I usually am, but maybe I'm just playing fucking horrified.
Now you got me second guessing myself.
This is the biggest stakes of the entire game.
I know I'm feeling the same.
I'll call that.
Alright.
Check.
Hey, what do you have?
you have my first time I see your hand oh pew two pair yeah six seven two pair
undead okay okay you played it slowly you checked with a two pair goodness
gracious I was slow lady what can I say
I have to risk one more big blind to play with you here.
It is a tough decision.
One BB.
That's a big bet.
Make a decision.
I will.
I don't think I've ever seen extra time, ever.
Do you know how to enable it?
I have no fucking idea, it's okay.
I don't ever go that far.
All in.
Good luck.
Oh my God.
I mean,
I had nothing.
And I also had the nuts so no, no, I respect I respect
He's gonna yell at me he's gonna yell at me. I know good game Alex good game well played game god fucking damn it. Oh
Okay, I don't know my bow. He's gonna yell at me. He's gonna yell at me. Oh
He's gonna be proud of your you see honestly you studied a lot for this
I think in poker you can't control chances much, but you put in hours
At least that's how I've been thinking about it because otherwise the stakes are so hard.
Hi, I feel like I'm gonna pee myself.
Yeah.
All right, do we just go to the fucking next game?
Is that it?
I don't know.
I think it's dug time usually, right?
Yeah, you guys can go ahead and just go into the next game.
We'll only pause at the end of the whole thing or stop.
Okay, okay, okay.
Yeah, we go into the next one.
All right, next game.
Oh my god.
Oh, my God.
Poker champs finals.
I know, I'm clean.
It just takes 10 years to load.
All right, I'm in.
All right, I'm getting in there.
Join tournament.
Good luck.
Well, honestly, I don't mean that.
I don't know how to play.
Yeah, I know you fucking know.
You're a nice guy,
and I hope you enjoy the 125K,
but I haven't really felt like you.
I know, I don't fucking like it.
I like this arena setting.
It would be cool if like chess or poker finals were actually played in something like this.
With a little fucking crowd just cheering for us and shit.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Well, absolutely maybe.
All right.
You're taking a lot of time on a four big blind pot,
but I respect it.
Because it fucking matters.
It does matter.
You're so right.
Fucking ridiculous.
I just do what the cards tell me to do I try you know I'm just gonna try to play like the computer against you just that's literally I've
It's literally, I didn't fucking work, did it?
Not for me.
No, honestly, trying to play like a computer
against these guys broke my brain.
Wow, we took it with one blind.
Feels bad man.
Mr. Soda Poppin, what would you like to do here?
That's pretty expensive, but I can't let you get away with getting me off with just one
big blind every time.
Whoa.
Little more expensive?
Yes, it is more expensive.
You don't know what I had no but you won however way you played it
I feel like you actually, I shouldn't tell you.
You thought I had the jacks?
I feel like I may have folded the best hand there, but I don't know.
I'll be doing VOD review even though it doesn't matter anymore.
I'm doing the same shit at the end of this.
Check to Mr.
Poppin once again.
I'm not going to do that.
Come down to RNG. Let's see what happens here.
Or whatever the fact.
I was hoping you were going to bet.
I was hoping.
I know, but I thought I had the best hand.
He's are doing this check spamming you fucked me up with the last time
Yeah, I'm a chest player. I like to check
You know the one thing I bring over oh
Good one it just fucking hit me
And you're a psycho so you like constantly getting into the aggressor we both have our stuff here
Is that psycho I don't fuck I think it is but what do I know
What do you have? Oh, I know we're not done yet. Oh.
I think you got it. I feel like you have a small pair.
I do.
Yeah, small pair.
Well, we each have a pair.
Yeah.
I don't have a pair.
You've taken the chip lead again.
I did, and I'll be sure to fucking lose it later, I'm sure.
you
Thank you for watching!
Thank you for watching!
Who what did you have what did you have you'll never know you'll never know either
Take it
I'm returning it nice.
You will eat chocolate.
I side
Hmm
I would imagine Vicky and Ryan is the only people in my house, is it?
It was nice that you got revenge on Tyler.
I true I heard Ryan scream earlier on that all in I did and you beat me like on a three minute delay
Okay, I'm fucking hit the same button, all right, all right, all right, all right, I'm
Really tough decision here.
Is it?
Oh, what'd you have?
No, no, no, no, no.
I feel like you're dissecting how long I take with my shit all the time no it's
That's true, it's true.
That was, I shouldn't have folded so quickly.
I gave it away.
Beach mouse, beach, beach mouse.
What the fuck?
What do you have?
what do you have? What do you
have? Oh, my God. If I if there
was a spade on that river, I
would have been. Uh yeah, I was
scared of that but yeah, that's
I don't even know if I played that hand well enough. I feel like I could have gotten more
out of it if I knew what I was doing.
I think he sides it really well.
Okay.
We're getting blinded down quick.
Yeah, it's dampening us.
So, I'm going to go ahead and take a look at this one, and I'm going to show you how to
Nice hand.
Numbers.
Who knows.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I needed a little something there.
OK.
I
See what you do, okay, what'd you have what'd you fucking have oh the pair of
Oh my god, that was terrifying.
I didn't think you had the actual aces there.
Oh my god.
Oh god, that was really scary.
Go raise.
I'm fucking lucky god fucking damn it. What do you have? Oh?
Oh, yeah, God damn it just didn't get what I needed there
No, you had had a lot of draws
Thank you. Thank you. Just means I had the best hand, but I'll still take it.
Oh my god, we're blinded down.
I know. Numbers are just tanking us.
They are. Well, there's two big ones for your effort.
Wow, two in a row.
Feels good, huh?
True, it does. Thank God.
Something scraps really.
Yeah, it feels nice.
Little bit.
Okay.
A little bit.
Okay.
Okay. Interesting.
A little call.
Whoa.
A little bit
I don't know if this is right. I think you may have played me. Wow. Parrots god fucking damn it
Okay.
I
Withering me the fuck down here gotta do what I gotta do
Just literally said.
You're gonna make me go all in with this.
Oh, you're going to make me go all in with this.
All right.
All in.
Oh my god.
A little bit of a two pair.
Wow.
That was very sneaky.
Nice hand.
and
comments.
Interesting.
Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you.
I could use it after that last beat.
Okay.
My goodness and all in angle, huh?
Fuck it. Fuck it. What do you have?
You had two pair. What did you have? I had a flush. I had a flush. You're a fucking
flush! I did. I did. Thank you for calling. I really appreciate it. I'm afraid you might
have a full house. I'm so bad at the fucking game. I'm so fucking bad at the fucking game.
You know, it's never over.
Oh my God, that's half my money.
That is half your money.
That's a big, big one.
I mean, look, man, if you want it that badly,
I'm gonna have to let you take it.
So, I'm going to go ahead and start by taking out the paper and I'm going to take out the
paper.
I'm going to take out the paper, I'm going to take out the paper, I'm going to take out
Thank you.
Thank you.
Motherfucker. Fuck.
I think maybe who knows.
I
You clawed back a little bit still fucking awful down here in the gutters, but it's your little
Hat avatar. No, that's bad. That's actually my face IRL so
I mean, all in.
Oh, Titty McFucking Muffins.
Ah, fucking cocks.
I thought you would fall for me having an ace.
Good game.
Oh, it's just, I thought if you had an ace, you'd have the nuts, so you'd play it a little
slower and just like let me bet into you.
Yeah.
I really thought you would think I had the ace there.
I guess I bluffed too fucking much this game.
I bluffed so fucking much, Alex.
I should have.
Okay, do you want to know what my strat was against you?
Yes, actually, I would love to fucking know.
So I realized that you're doing a lot of things,
like betting into the aggressor.
So like if I'm the pre-flop razor,
and I decided that I was just going to play extremely tight,
play what I had, and like eventually you'll keep
bluffing into me and I'll catch you in those spots.
I don't know what you said now that you learned why you got your okay. Well, I was basically just trying to catch
Let me fuck up. Yeah, let me fuck up. Well, you want to am I also fuck you Doug
My my strats to you were because you should have the confidence to beat me you're a better player you wouldn't take risks
So you know what I was gonna do
Well, you wouldn't and if I do really big bets you will not risk it on some shitty random hand and I think that
And you were right
You were right
So I think you probably bluffed me off a lot of stuff, but then I also got paid off when I had it
Yeah, I guess but that's why I made so many dumb fucking bluffs as I was hoping you would just not want to risk it
Because again, yeah, I know you're better at this game than me and I know you're more experienced
I thought maybe I could
Again, why why risked an already one game essentially, right? That was my thought process
There was something what else did we wrote remember? Go ahead Doug. Sorry. I think the first in the first match soda
You had King five
You bet on ten nine deuce the term was a seven you bet and she raised
Walk me through the decision to go over the top all in versus that raised with just nothing to scare her
Literally, I literally my brain. I'm fucking bad Doug. I'm fucking bad at this game. All right
I'll say it proudly. I suck ass in my thought process, which was wrong clearly. I
Tried to bluff. I thought scare her the fuck away. She probably I don't fucking know man. I
stressed out that's that I I didn't want to talk during the call because she's picking up on
things man
Well, I'll tell you this you're gonna walk away from this match with a hundred and twenty-five thousand dollars
You can't be all that that you're not wrong. You're not wrong. I did not expect to win this
If you gave me a coin and you said you have a 30% chance to win and a 70% chance to lose
And that's the whole game. I would flip that coin. I would take those odds
That's about the confidence I came into this match with I believe you know you could you had a way
But you were doing a lot of smart things you were finding bluffs. So first off, you went crazy on paired boards, man
Would it were you planning on just on any paired board bluffing? What happened there?
Yeah, I was told to do a lot of bluffing versus paired boards because it is extremely unlikely that they have it
That worked for you in pretty much every single spot. I saw you for the whole tournament
Whoever gave you that tip that was gold. I think I think it might have been Gary
Barrett and Ryan that both told me, no, I don't remember someone told me and that really cemented in my brain when I saw anything on the board.
I'm like, okay, I can, I, if there's two eighths on the board, I just cross that off the list of possibilities and I can use it to try and bluff that works until they have an eight because it is still possible.
Uh, yeah, it's true.
But you, you flawlessly executed that you ran some big bluffs.
You, you know, the, the, the King five may be a little ambitious, but I
think that's fair.
A great approach to the game and obviously nothing to be ashamed of
with second place and winning so much money, but congratulations to our winner.
Alex Botez, you were, I would say the odds on favorite coming into this and
you managed to win all three rounds in a row
to become our poker champ's champion.
Congratulations.
Thank you, Doug.
I really appreciate it.
You managed to beat a bunch of people
who had never played poker before
after playing poker for six years.
What's it like to stomp noobs?
This would be like if LeBron James
swung down to the Y and said,
what's up guys, we're playing some pickup.
I'll play one on one.
Look, I've played in a lot of positions
where I'm the worst player.
I think I deserve my chance to not be the worst player.
Is that fair?
That is fair.
How many fucking tournaments were you the worst player?
Was it for $250,000 though?
That's a good opinion, his voice, Alex.
I mean, like, do you want to go play some WoW?
And I don't know, you always want to put $250,000 on it?
How about that?
I see what you're saying, but look,
But what it's worth everybody always says poker is just gambling.
So like this is, you know, a little bit of a nod to the poker community.
It's fucking, it just, there's a lot of luck in it too.
And that's what makes it beautiful.
Is that anyone can win any day, but in the long run, Alex Botez grinds you down
for 250 K that's really, that's really, she fucking did it.
Good job, Alex.
You're a horrifying player.
Um, it was scary going against you.
I won't lie.
I mean, truth be told, if people didn't tell me you were a pro and didn't like say, I probably would have played better.
Honestly, I was horrified the whole time.
Pro is the wrong word, but the term is fair, you know?
Sure, sure.
I wanted to ask you, there was a hand where you had King-6 and it was Ace-King, I think 9.
Uh, check raised the flop with middle pair and a bad kicker and then got three bet and
decided to call the turn was a 10 and, uh, so to have an open ended straight flush draw.
He had a Jackie of diamonds.
He could have a queen.
He could have hit a seven.
He could hit diamond.
He had a massive hand.
He bet two thirds of his stack on the turn and you ended up check calling there.
And I kind of wanted to get your thoughts because when I saw that hand, it felt like
you're putting yourself in such a bad position.
Why did you feel you needed to call in that spot?
That's fair, actually.
And I was so relieved when he checked on the turn.
I guess I had just seen a few of the hands
that he was bluffing with and thought
that he could be doing that there also.
But it was probably just a misplay.
Like, occasionally, I would get a feel or a vibe from our call
or his timing and something like that.
And I think I just felt it there because otherwise I
was pretty much playing pretty passively.
Oh man, we got timing tells.
We shouldn't have let you in this tournament.
What were we thinking?
I'm gonna play.
Don't say that.
Don't say that.
Don't say that.
No, we're complaining.
We have someone in here like,
well the timing, technically when he took 18.4 seconds
on the turn.
Well, I was waiting until 27 seconds to make my raise
every time pre-flop when I remember and I tried.
That is a good strategy.
I mean, it's smart.
It's just, that's above the rim play.
And then one other hand I wanted to ask you about,
You made a crazy call where Sota was bluffing with Queen 7
on a board, I forgot the exact four,
but it ran out two to a straight and you had just an eight.
Yeah.
And he barreled big on the river
and you decided to call, what made you call in that spot?
Again, there were a few like gut feels
that I knew are technically wrong,
but just honestly felt very correct there.
I don't know how to explain it other than that.
Oh, so you're saying he had a tell?
I don't know if he had to tell them.
Did I have any tells that you can think of?
I'm actually curious cause I was really insecure about even talking to you the whole time.
I'm not kidding.
I'm, I, there were times I would have bantered with just about anyone else.
I was genuinely like, do I like say interesting every time I have something good?
Do I check really fast?
Do I literally, I overthought every single click of my mouse.
In your previous games, a lot of times when you had the good hand, you were more
chatty, that's something newer players tend to do. I didn't think you were doing that as much
quickly. I also like sometimes you would raise or call faster and sometimes you would take your
time and I would try to like assume if you're taking your time either you don't have it or you do,
it's more polarizing, but I don't think there was any anything crazy. I actually think it played
pretty well. I appreciate that. Again, I overthought everything. I was really insecure the whole
fucking time it's tough to play like that by the way it is tough because you
have to have some confidence in yourself like it's a tough game you have to go
for it in some situations I mean I clearly went for it you know I did some
stupid ass shit I went for it when I shouldn't have so maybe maybe honestly
I had too much confidence in some shape and broken weird twisted way I don't
know but GG I did my best and I appreciate the opportunity by the way
because yeah that's a lot of money this shit was no joke I did the best I
I could, my brother, Ryan, he, I mean, I've got pages,
Botez, you have, you have an entire page here of notes
on this piece of paper.
And then I got a whole nother piece of paper here.
This is for Tyler one.
And then I got a whole nother page here.
This was for Felix and just an overall notes
for just in general that Ryan helped me out.
Garrett was a great coach.
It was, it was a lot of fun.
I appreciated the opportunity a whole lot.
That's awesome, man.
That's awesome.
It was great to have both of you guys.
And I do want to say one last thing, Alex,
I thought you played phenomenal in this tournament.
And I think what really set you apart from the field
and all the things I saw was you were the least willing
just to do something completely retarded.
And I think that was,
Yes!
Yes!
That was my far and away your biggest skill
was like you had no moment in this tournament
where you just spaz the fuck out
and just put it in with nothing.
Most of my strategy was don't spaz,
wait for them to spaz.
That was what happened.
You executed, you drew up with the X and the Nose,
and went out there and like,
we're just not gonna spaz the fuck out.
And that was like, that was the perfect strategy.
Thank you.
Honestly, your commentary on the match was like,
I watched every single match and I also prepared for him,
but you're so funny.
You're like, wow, I'm glad they got away here.
The guy has like two cards that are not connected,
low cards, I'm like, oh my God, this is hilarious.
I appreciate that, I appreciate that.
All right, guys, that's it then.
Thank you both. Congrats again to Alex Botez, our champion.
Soda Poppin, our second place finisher.
Finisher, big scores for both of you, 250K and 125K.
Thank you for playing.
We appreciate it here at Club WPT Gold.
Appreciate it. GG's Alex.
Thank you so much, Doug.
Appreciate it, Doug.
Thank you, Club WPT Gold. Use code Doug.
Hey, you love to hear it.
You love to hear that.
GG's everyone. GG's. Have a good night.
GG. GG.
Oh, okay.
Well, I'm gonna turn the stream off from here, guys.
I will potentially be live tomorrow.
Probably will be, we'll see.
But there's a little bit of an awkward delay
and I'm not gonna turn the stream off
and then turn it back on.
So just gonna end it here.
Let the three minutes pass.
GG's everyone, have a good night.
Peace out.
See you next time.