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Hello, hello everybody and good morning. Welcome back to the Team Liquid Race to World
First. My name is Aya. I'm here with titles and draft notes. We've got some exciting
news this morning, some exciting updates. We're seeing some Prague, not with us,
with other guilds? Yes, Heroic Ula-Tek has fallen after 60 attempts for Clearwater, a Chinese guild.
Yeah, now because they're a Chinese guild that means they had a pretty recent reset as well.
About 30 hours. Yeah, so they have gotten less gear than Liquid, than Echo, than Method will be able
to have gotten before attempting Heroic Ula-Tek. So it probably was on a little bit of a harder
mode for them, extremely impressive that they were able to get it down, something that took us
We kind of come in there and attempted it and then walked away
I've been like this is too hard and then come back and then
The part that was too hard was nerfed and then there was a new part that was too hard
And then we went away and then we came back and then that part was nerfed
Yeah, and then we went away and then we came back at the end of yesterday
It was still a little too hard for us, but not it was not impossible, right?
We're just like okay, but let's we'll not get this just yet
It seems like today we're reaching the point where we're gonna actually
hopefully down this thing on heroic in full splits as well so able to get all
that gear generated from this boss still not having to you know condense down or
send all of our resources to make this happen I do think a part of the reason
that it's so hard is because of the composition that they're running the
fact that they are trying to do it with such heavy splits means that they're
playing characters that maybe otherwise wouldn't be good on this fight
obviously if they ended up swapping into more arms warriors more Destra
warlocks, more devastation evokers, and you swap out these pranksters at the bottom of
the meter like the rep paladin of the Unholy DK, it would probably make the heart double
damage amp burn a lot more doable, but because you're trying to optimize for loot as opposed
to optimizing the comp, and you probably want the other characters' arms warriors to be
able to get their own personal Ula-Tek and not need to be in here on this one, it
kind of creates this weird tension where you're incentivized to try to play with a suboptimal
comp. But as a result, they're utilizing some of their dead characters that are obviously
still like 295 item level, and they're Vantus ruining them to try to help them get a little
bit of extra power.
Now, we do see the Vantus ruins, yeah, being sent by most of the alts, which is
a little bit interesting because Nimmersa Wavecaller is also a potentially very difficult
boss that might be splittable this week in, you know, potentially nobody's killed it yet,
but it might be splittable. I'm not, at least we were thinking that coming into the week.
Now it might be just not possible or worth the time. And so they might be thinking,
okay, let's just use this on ULTEC instead. But of course, yeah, if you use the Vantus
Rune on ULTEC, you don't get to use it on Nimrissa.
I mean, for me, I kind of view it as like this. We're at Friday.
Yeah. We've got it in our mythic at some point. Not like today, but like, there's
There's only so many more days until the reset happens.
It's great to have a gear up tier, but at some point you do have to enter Mythic.
And if N'Ressa Wavecaller, we assumed that was going to be similar to Chimeras in terms
of difficulty, mostly because it was associated with something that was similar to the Rotmiering
tier, right?
Yeah, it's got the Mythic Flex difficulty, it's hanging out there out in the world.
It's sort of the spiritual successor to World Bosses, Chimeras and Sporefall.
Much harder.
Yeah, it turns out that much like everything else this year, it procted.
rage and it's 50% stronger than you'd think it would be so yeah might not be
something the thing is as well like it might be possible to split it if you
throw enough time at it but is that worth the time it doesn't drop anything
crazy like it's not chimeras level loot where there's a trinket that everybody
wants there's a strong intellect trinket for casters but the difference
between getting one of those at hero 3 versus myth 1 is not that big it's
that's you know saving a couple crests. Also real quick before we get into our
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Last race, we had that kind of dead period during the myth
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We'll maybe see that again.
They amped it up a little bit also.
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Oh!
So up until the tracker says 15K.
I'm doing math wrong.
Yeah, that's it.
Yes.
Okay.
And then when our tracker goes to 15K,
That's when they'll swap over to work out logs and arcon.
They're adding it proactively.
Yeah, yeah.
Math has gotten a lot of us.
This tier, it's already been showing us some of the challenges
of math on that second boss there as well.
Oh my goodness, yes.
The IntuneSense knows.
Simple arithmetic.
I maintain the fact that that graphic is a little bit
difficult to see, the little orbs that they're green
and red, because they just made it one orb.
We ran a strategy where you just, if you had the two, you just read straight to the middle of the boss.
Stay still.
Oh, middle of the boss.
I-
Into the middle of the boss.
I just think it's a bit of visual clutter.
I feel like you should have just gotten one orb or three orbs or two orbs and not four orbs and
a certain number of them are green and a certain number of them are red.
Well, it's to really make sure that people who have red and green color blind
then color blind us are at a disadvantage here.
Oh, yeah.
Are at a disadvantage.
I thought you were going in the other direction and I was like, oh.
Yeah, no, you're right.
Yeah.
There's a few guilds that have people like that in their guild.
Last time we were talking about this and they said that they just make that guy stand still.
Yeah, that's neat.
You could take a second to the guys in 30 minutes.
So, you know, who cares, right?
Just a couple of people can plant and it's totally fine.
Yeah, yeah.
Who cares?
Who THG taking out some of those new verse pots?
Well, this thing's good.
And liquid luster.
They got massively up.
Yeah.
So during the PTR cycle, they were looking pretty good and they got nerfed in half.
And then it last week it got buffed by more than double so 150% buff
Are they worse than wreck so it depends on the situation the thing about this fight is it backloads when it gives you the versatility
Right, it's you click the pot and then like 20 seconds later. You're getting the versatility basically
Yeah, that's really good if you've got a damage amp that isn't on pole right because you can press it
20 seconds before the heart is actually attackable, and then you're getting your full versatility
During the actual burn so it's especially well suited to a fight like this
Yeah, the the problem of potions like that specifically compared to say something like lights potential is that they actually hit hit stat dr
penalties, so
There's like the first break points at like 1200 second break points at like 1600 for stat dr penalties
So the more secondary stats at versatility because it's versatility a lot of people are pretty low on exactly like cloth casters
Versatility versatility hasn't really been a good stat for warlock since a marriage or so where it was briefly their best stat
Yeah, Dima Dima was like he's first or something as a strange tier. Yeah, I think a lot of it was the
Do you remember the big tyrant? It was the big tyrant and it was the
Trinket that scaled with versatility where you'd run in and oh the blast yourself a tendril sage Swift
Yeah, use that thing ruled fellow Maloran the wait enough
There's some water the ones like that Bella Maloran is the dagger from Bellarine, but uh, it's something like that
Yeah, one of those ones with the apostrophe easy now, of course
All right, well if you're just mentioning it, we are standing in front of Lulutek right now.
There's also a second guild that got 2% this morning, also a Chinese guild.
We might see some more Lulutek kills in there.
The fact that they took 60 attempts for the first heroic Lulutek kill, pretty tough.
I mean this is basically going to be mythic progression, except it's not saying mythic
on it, but it's going to feel like progression here on this boss, which is nice, right?
It is being done in splits, so the characters are a little bit weaker than we will be on
Mythic, and then once we do kill it, we're going to have to kill it over and over again,
and an important variable is how many wipes do we take per split, right?
Once we kill it the first time, are we able to reliably one-shot it in all the
other splits?
But this boss is definitely hard enough that it is going to be, you know, for
all intents and purposes, this is race progression time now.
Yeah, I mean, this is in a normal tier.
This would be harder than like well over half the raid.
Yeah, this is I think sort of like heroic Lura was as well.
It's just heroic Lura came out after there was already nothing to do.
And so it wasn't as big of a priority.
And, you know, we had quite a bit of gear, but that boss was very hard
as well for a heroic boss.
And I think this one is a strong successor.
I remember heroic Lura whenever I killed her, I was like, oh,
Oh wow, this is like the hardest server boss I've ever fought and now I'm uh...
No, I'm not so certain that that's gonna be true anymore.
Yeah, I mean, again, this is a weak one.
What's the strat for our kind of guilds?
We're just bailing on this guy even though he's got like BIS gear and we're missing Curios, right?
We go and do Mythic, right?
Feel free?
I mean, what do you think, what is your guild gonna do?
We're gonna try and kill this thing.
Okay.
Instead of killing Nexali or whatever.
Well, Nexali, you know, you can take out pretty quick.
You do both.
It doesn't cost you being able to do that this week.
Like if you only do one.
Yeah, I mean, yes, but you know, you're comparing like something that'll take a couple hours, something that'll take 20 minutes.
Okay.
Okay, here comes the first heroic mechanic here. We have these coils.
So on heroic, you need to split the rate in half for each of these.
And then those three Rawlings are spawned from the eggs that started the fight.
You get hit by like any of the green mechanics.
You're gonna spawn those and they're gonna be bigger and angrier, but if you can get them killed by the coils
You can stand in in those soaks, and you just have to deal with the little Rawlings
So pretty important especially later when we get more eggs
You start the fight with three and kind of a little
Introductory difficulty to the eggs but coming soon. We're gonna be getting a lot of eggs spawning
First though the boss and the tail are gonna relocate here. Yeah
And a nice feature of Heroic as well is that you can't soak back-to-back group soak
Right because it puts a debuff on you like a vulnerability debuff
And so you're gonna see the them being separated into two separate groups for those so it's very relevant whenever coming out of the
Intermission because there's like a groups one two and three are gonna be soaking one set of tail sands and four fives and six
And the other set of tail sands. Alright, so you can see all these eggs being carried as well
Well, I think on Mythic you can't be close to somebody else carrying an egg while you're carrying yours.
So that's going to be a fun little twist for this fight when we get there, but at least on Heroic, that's not yet the case.
Space to dial in that is insane.
Yeah, that's going to be a fun one to manage.
And yeah, here comes those next set of slams.
So you really don't have to dodge too much before you do get those slams to clear the eggs.
Just a couple of those waves, and here come those soaks.
And yeah, like you said, you got to split the raid. You can only be in one of these sets of two
Looks like some of the some of the eggs are actually in that second sling. Yeah
So they're not just putting all the Rollins and they need to not focus too much on these because now we are gonna get our first damage burn
This is the rage of the shackled from Ullatech. There's loss after a brief windup
We do get the venomous heart targetable as well
So you're gonna throw a havoc on Ullatech itself and then switch targets the venomous heart because it is taking double damage
So, uh, Dasharalok, really good at this because you're dealing damage to the heart that's taking double damage,
and still dealing damage to main Ullatech, which is taking regular damage.
So you're kind of doing triple damage here to the boss's total health percent, 56% after the burn.
Okay.
That is quite low compared to the numbers we were seeing, you know, yesterday in some of the polls.
I think the best we've seen so far is like about 55, but I think that they were averaging somewhere around the 58.
So yeah, a little bit more damage this morning compared to where they were yesterday.
Now this intermission here. This is pretty tough. You're gonna you're gonna see players get tethered to
That's just like this chain that's on the ground and the chain whatever it gets snapped when we walk so far away from it
It puts a raid wide dot on the players the amount of damage that is taken by that raid wide dot is insanely high
That's actually been a yeah, like breaking it too quickly or getting too many stacks and the causing wipes
This is a big point of conflict with the healers. Is it just one chain at a time?
Like it's three total now. They this was the thing that was nervous over side. Yeah three three per side
I believe so it was time for one after another
So you all get tethered at the same time and then you're gonna want to do your brakes
It looks like they did a two-stack, and then they're gonna do a one
And the two stack is pretty scary here
You can see everybody's got that one stack and the health bars are moving
But it's not as scary yesterday when we were trying to contend with twice as many of those
that was basically the point that it was impossible to get past but now that it's
been reduced in half that it is starting to look pretty playable yeah and so look
at this now now they are basically clearing through the intermission
Ula-Tek is going to come back up out of the ground and at 445 ish Ula-Tek his
heart's going to be exposed once more having that kind of triple damage phase
that we were talking about earlier ideally you get these doom scales
killed off before that but even if they're still alive going into an
and the mission, it can be okay.
But I think that ideally for liquidlies,
they're gonna be killed off before that hard begin,
that it gets exposed.
That way you don't really have to deal with any of these
these deem scales whenever that triple damage
is gonna be happening.
And so yeah, here's it.
Here's gonna be, there's gonna be standing around here
for 15 seconds.
They actually were too fast.
Wow, that is a, it's rare that there's not.
Okay, yeah, it actually looks like, yeah,
the Ultec's going to emerge here.
So they're well ahead of the stage two damage check.
Now we're gonna enter another one of those burns.
You can see all those Destro warlocks dropping their infernals from the sky.
Arms warrior absolutely ascending on this phase as well.
Already on top of the meters so I guess nowhere to go.
But somehow still finding a way to go up as this cleave on the two targets is incredibly
impressive although I'm actually kind of surprised by how much damage the rat paladin
is putting out here.
Oh wow.
Third place on the meters and it's not like anybody's died to give him wings.
Check the boss damage though.
That's true.
Yeah.
After this we have to check the boss damage and that.
If we're high on the boss damage then we report that one, otherwise, you know, forget about it.
So, something that's actually kind of interesting about ARMS specifically is
Execute has been horrible for ARMS for such a long time.
I remember they went like expansions where Execute and Sweeping Strikes even was just terrible.
And now this expansion in this season specifically, Execute and Sweeping Strikes are just unbelievable.
Sweeping Strikes I think has 100% uptime or something right now where whenever you press like Colossus Smash or Warbreaker, whatever you have talented,
you get effective sweeping strikes and so you can, especially if you look at like
Mythic Claws a long time, near 100% uptime on it.
Now this intermission is a pretty fun one, you get to spawn a bunch of these ads
and you have to be kind of moving around the room, soaking every other coil
with your group. So this is looking good. One group soaks one three and five
and the other two four and six and now we enter that final phase
splitting the group into sort of three subgroups on these side platforms
and one in front of the boss and then it actually looks like the rest of the raid is all going
on to this left platform now and we're going to just be killing off these far eggs with
Destro Warlock, you know, targeting and blasting.
So there is a little bit of inevitability on this phase.
The boss is going to break platforms fairly consistently.
There is a burn that happens around the 925 to 935 marker where we get another exposed
heart.
The main difficulty is actually this mechanic that you're seeing on screen right here.
red circles. Whatever players soak them, then they get these spread green circles.
The issue with this big red circle, first off, the dot that you get from soaking it
from your friend is pretty dangerous, but these drops, these green circles that
you see on THD screen right here, they also do an insane amount of damages. You
see the raid dropping pretty low. They get sacked occasionally because the area
denial associated with them, some of the players that have those red circles,
they're just going to jump into the whirlpool, or actually a lot of times
They'll just let themselves get petrified and then they'll be taken out by whatever else.
But I think planned sacks has been the strategy that Liquid's been going for so far,
which is great because you see in the bottom right, two battle res that are available for those players.
Yeah, if we get to that third battle res as well in 40 seconds, we could entirely sacrifice one set.
But that's something you want to consider as you get later into the phase and there's less of these platforms available.
Now we're spawning another set of three eggs, but one of them is falling straight into the Venom
because it's where that platform used to be.
So it is going to immediately hatch into the fully grown Shrieker
rather than the smaller ad that you can get by breaking the rolling.
Safely, yeah, the rolling, so they are going to have to deal with that Shrieker under the boss, though.
So not the end of the world.
And yeah, we got our next set of these Soaks.
Again, doing these.
This was another one of the things that was nerfed from yesterday.
The size of these green circles that you get
was not scaling with raid size, and now it is scaling down.
as your raid size goes up.
Yeah, and that movement is really tough.
You get the platform breaker as everybody gets
those spread green circles.
Historically, the ranged DPS have jumped over
to the third platform.
Or at least some of the assigned ranged DPS
have jumped over to this third platform
to try to give the melee who are coming off the boss
a little bit more space.
Very, very difficult movement.
We did see a couple of people go down.
Some battle res were committed
to be able to get those players back up.
And now, look at this,
Liquid I think are having an absolutely fantastic pull.
The next damage amp is happening about a minute from now.
If they were able to get all 30 players alive
going into that damage amp, I would not be shocked to be CAKL.
We did have to use two of our three battle reses
on that movement.
A lot of players dropping low, again,
as well as some of the melee in a lot of danger.
We have two of those shriekers out as well,
so that's very scary to contend with too.
Some interrupts needing to land,
but even if interrupted, those are pretty dangerous enemies.
Everybody dropping so low, we've got another death.
That's gonna be our final battle res there,
going out on anarchy,
but we are going to have that final platform
and space to play in for the remainder of this fight.
So I think the next red circles we get
are pretty likely to sacrifice.
Here comes Uletek though, as we're gonna get.
Yeah, there's red soaks in a few seconds here.
So they're pre-spread for it.
Yeah, they're probably gonna pre-spread for it.
And now they are either going to jump in the whirlpool,
but more often than not,
they're actually just gonna stand off to the side.
If they don't get enough people soaking those debuffs,
they get petrified for like a minute, 30 seconds.
and so it's supposed to kill you off.
Ideally you would have their damage
be relevant for another 10 seconds.
But here is that last burn.
We are having the heart becoming exposed.
Once this heart phase ends in 15 seconds,
Ulotec will break the platform,
sending everybody into the whirlpool and killing them off.
They have 10 seconds to do 10% HP on the boss.
Is Liquid going to one shot this boss on Heroic?
The boss is taking triple damage effectively right now,
3%, but the platform about to break DHT,
getting off of the platform
so that he can survive a little bit longer,
the rest of the raid getting basically one shot by it,
and Ulitec going absolutely crazy on them now
with the quadruple quintuple lasers.
Yep, just blasting the entire room there.
Yip's gonna do it.
1% on the boss, I think, is a little much for a tank.
It's just Yip's and Scott.
Actually, it's two tanks.
Scott is dropping so low,
and the enrage, is it gonna take Scott out?
Yip's and Scott both.
Scott actually dies,
and then Yip's in purge for a couple of seconds,
and the boss takes them out.
That is gonna be so fun to see on Mythic.
And that is the most diabolical in rage
information I've ever seen.
It's so rude.
It's impressive that the in rage happens
about at the 10 minute marker,
but somehow the combat time for TSC says 10.19.
Yeah, he was able to live for a little bit
by jumping off early as well.
If everybody can do that,
they might be able to squeeze an extra percent there.
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We just saw a poll on Heroic Ulitec and,
what was that, 1.1%?
Yeah, I think it even got sub 1%.
Sub 1%.
When the tanks were trying to duo it at the end there.
Yeah, we almost saw another Scott moment.
Almost.
Almost, got another one.
So this is the part as well where,
One thing that you'll often do is you'll make your first kill of Split a little bit stronger than the other ones.
So that you can, you know, because you're going to be getting better and better at the fight as you do it more often.
But you have to actually be a little bit careful with a boss like this that you don't overpower Split 1.
And then there, you know, if you front load too much of your powerful characters,
you might actually run into a problem when you're trying to re-kill this if the damage check stays that tight.
Now, just because we saw a wipe at 1% to enrage
doesn't mean that they're going to continue being that close
as they get better and better at the fight, right?
Once you just get more practice, more reps on it,
that will generate damage.
Are you curious of the comp from Clearwater?
Yeah, what do they run?
They run a blood decay and a Prott warrior.
OK.
They have, let's see, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 healers.
They had a Presovoker, Holy Paladin, Holy Priest,
Restor, Shaman, Restor, Druid.
OK, the all of them?
Yeah, all the whole the kitchen sink arms warrior frost DK sub rogue Rhett Paladin havoc demon hunter
Windwalker monk and then an arcane mage industrial lock on marks hunter Devokar and an Ellie shaman
So not a bunch of arms where's not a bunch of deser. What they didn't does only your stuff stacking. Yeah, is this like 20 players 25
Well, how many one two three four five. I'm manually counting. It's five healers
seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 17, 17, 18, 18, did I tell that right?
18, okay. Yeah. Do you think that's a like an optimized group or do you think they're
doing a split situation? They're best geared players, right? They're their best players,
they're best geared players. Yeah. Coming in there. And I think that is definitely,
this raid has had a lot of really poorly scaling mechanics with the number of players.
Yeah, who let's heck launched and those coils were impossible on 30 player and not hard at all on 10
Vashnik did seven debuffs on 30 player and two on 10 and that was just absurdly, you know bad
Badly scale for 30 players way harder on 30. I counted wrong. There are there are multiple frosty
They are I was looking at this friend incorrectly. There's two frosty case two arms warriors
Three arcane mazes two deshaw locks
rocks. I think those are going to be the latest back to class.
No, a lot, a lot. Yeah, well, I didn't notice that it's, you know, it's not, it's not hard.
I'm doing, I'm looking at the article from Raider Rao, so I apologize.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, yeah, it's not the, it's not the log of them, but congratulations either way.
Do we know where they're streaming? I know they're doing like a Chinese race to
World First coverage, but I don't know if that's like an overall coverage for
that realm or if it's just one specific guild. I know Hulu was talking about it
on the Raider Rao read.
So, yeah, they do, NetEase puts on like a big production for like overall race rule first coverage right now, on Douyu.
Obviously, there's a bit of a bias towards showcasing the top Chinese guilds, but it is supposed to be something that is pretty holistic,
where they're also covering the liquid in the Echoes for example.
That's cool. I want to, I want the URL for that. I wonder if I can find it.
You said Douyu?
Yeah, Douyu.com.
Do you dot com slash g underscore wow all w of w all caps wait you have this memories
Okay, do you to come slash g underscore underscore wow all caps and then you should be able to that that should take you to the
Wow directory
Wow all caps matters case
Yeah, that's that worked. I got a bunch of kitten girls. That's that's your that's a feature not a bug
Those are your previous top-watch stream
Of course
Ooh, okay, wait, hold on.
Oh, this is the wow category.
Yeah, that's the, that's the right thing.
This guy's wearing a suit.
Very serious.
Well, that guy's probably casting.
Let's see.
Or is he just playing or whatever?
Let's check it out.
I'm gonna look at it.
Mmm.
Wait, it's fired up.
Wait, he's watching fired up.
See, it's a coverage.
Wait, is he watching us?
Hold on, I accidentally exited out of it.
What happened?
Well, yeah, all the Chinese guilds
have already killed the Latek.
Hey, you're right.
I'm just over there, it must be, oh my gosh, I got right here.
Must be the middle of the night, right?
It's like two hours or something, one AM.
Let's see, I don't know where they're doing it.
Time in Beijing.
They're like almost opposite.
Yeah, it's like, you basically flip the AM and the PM, right?
It's 1.30 AM in Beijing right now.
I knew it.
OK, so they're 15 hours ahead of us.
Wow, it's fired up.
So yeah, there won't be anybody still actively
raiding probably over there then.
Want to see what they're talking about.
I like I wonder if they're casting over it or if they're just
What are the vibes might be a rerun as well if it's a little the night there now?
24 hour coverage. Yeah. Oh, this is now
They're gonna get right now. I remember like whatever so this is the second to you that net ease has put on like a
Braceful first like large scale production. I know that they are doing like a really big event
I think it was pitched as like 24 seven coverage now. I don't know if that yes
247 casters or like what exactly that entails
That would be so fun to
Obviously, I like being here and I've heard it has this however. It would be so fun to be over there and check it out
Maybe when we wrap it up here, they could they could be glad to serve you
Have a good time. Definitely not dry begging right now
They have like a version of their blizzcon as well happening in like what over right really?
Yeah, so while we have our blizzcon and you know a couple weeks
I think that they there's like a the Chinese equivalent in like October. Oh my god. I want to go. We're there
Back the litch kick again. Oh my god. I want to go so much kinks last ride very popular character worldwide
What is it called does anybody know I did not know about this and now I want to go gonna make it happen
You got me excited
All right, well here we are pull number two have they done much optimization in terms of just like their strategy or
completing it or did they just have more repetitions at this point?
I think it's just, you know, run it back to it 1% better.
Yeah, be better.
Yeah, kind of let them think.
If we can hold those B reses and get the people that are petrified up during that damage
burn, that would probably be the difference as well.
High roll hits.
Which, it's a little weird because, you know, that kind of means you need to be perfect
with your battle reses, which is a very rare characteristic for a heroic boss.
Usually, you know, those are allowed to be used on mistakes, but yeah, and sometimes,
on a mythic boss, if you don't get to use your BRs for mistakes, those are often some
of the ones that are very frustrating to progress. Nexus Princess Kai Vezer was a good example
of this one where you couldn't use your BRs on somebody because it was like earmarked for
your tank already, because you were one tanking it, and trying to make that work and you
had to sacrifice your tank a couple times. So, yeah, this fight is one where all three
of those battle res is on this final set of red circles, those players could
each use a BRs.
In theory as well if they get those red circles instead of letting themselves get petrified
they just immediately jump in the whirlpool, immediately get battle rest and then they
can actually DPS into the heartburn.
It's the burn, yeah.
Are they still doing that?
No, because they did rather than get petrified because that allows them to save five global
something like that.
But the downside of getting petrified is that you actually can't hit the boss during
the burn.
Right.
But if you have the battle rest available you just sac instantly and even though
you lose some resources, you at least get the triple damage burn.
Alright, we are entering that intermission now after another burn on ULTEC's HP,
possibly a little bit lower this time. I think if they just do what they did last time,
this would already now be in kill territory, so just have to execute well.
I think that this is like also the damage check on this fight being so
tight for Liquid specifically has to do with their composition.
While, I mean, you look at the damage meter, you see Wolf Disco.
If they had like two or three arms warriors, they're really pulling out all the stops to try to kill this boss.
They would have easily killed it last couple.
I know they have some splits that do have more arms warriors as well.
So this might actually be a little bit of a weaker split, and then things might get easier as the attempts go on as we move into other splits.
Because, yeah, arms warrior, sort of is one and a half DPS in a lot of cases.
How many Ullatex do you think they were going to do?
I was thinking that the 10 were on the table, but I mean this guy is so hard that I'm not a hundred percent sure that number anymore
I'm thinking it's 14. Oh, you're thinking oh you're thinking that they only have two mains in this run or something
I think you're doing that you know one per character. Yeah, okay
I was thinking that there was like there were like four mains in this run well
Yeah, so it's a little tough you might not have to the full 14
But there are a lot of good items off of this boss very valuable ones to generate
Any guess as to how much this composition is gonna vary from the mythic composition
Oh, I believe we are class stacking this this might be one of the most class stack grades of all time
I'm in the final
So I think there's there are some arguments for like doing some two two two two two stuff, right?
Like to Destra lock sounds pretty good to me. I could see two arcane mages two subtlety rogues
I could also see seven arms warriors being. Yeah
That's the thing like the arms warriors very very very op right now
Why do we need it? Why do we need arcade?
Devavokers, two of those are good. You get two hunters, right?
Hunters marking the both eligible targets, very valuable, so.
Well, yeah, those people are valuable.
Oh, fire up ends up getting caught in a little bit of a blender there.
Waves coming at him from both sides, not able to adjust in time.
Alright, they only have one battle res remaining, which is, it's okay.
It's okay, yeah, but it is going to be, each extra battle res is probably an extra half of the percent of the boss' health
that they can do in that final burn, so it is going to be close.
really would like to save at least that one beer as so that we can get the best
player right you know the if the arms warriors about to get petrified at the
end we can see if we do save them I wonder if you could also sacrifice two of
the red circles and have everybody quickly soak the third all together in
the middle you do after then do the spread is the problem because so the
way this red circle works right is that player is going to get petrified if
it's not soaked before it expires correct and then everybody who helped
soak it gets one of these little green circles that they need to then
spread and on that final platform there's of course just not much room to do that kind of spread.
This is the movement that's really tough because you have the Planet Cracker at the exact same time
that the spread is happening. I keep calling it Planet Cracker because it shows a whole
wondrous ability. It's the platform breaker I think is actually the name of this thing.
And so oh okay everybody was actually able to survive. This is looking really good for
Liquid. This is where they lost three players last time. Nicely done as we are seeing them
adjust now into just two of these final platforms. Next set of red circles needs to get soaked.
This is going to coincide with the spawn of the next egg, one egg, and two fully grown Shriekers,
or what they're going to have to contend with here.
And those Shriekers can get moved under the boss, which is nice, but yeah, that egg
on this other platform where the ranged are, but first we're going to have to spread
all these green circles. They are so far ahead. The next damage amp where the heart is going
to be exposed is going to be happening about that 930-ish marker, and this boss is so
incredibly low. I think that last time, whenever they had that heart being exposed,
the bosses at like somewhere between like 15 to 18% and it's looking like it's
gonna be substantially lower than that already. Yeah this is definitely going
to be in range if they can hang on as that next spectral tail. It's gonna
just destroy the final platform. Bang! A way it goes inside the link and the
darkness and the AMZ is the raid and the final burn will be soon. We got one
more brief set of mechanics first though. They got what battle res? Yes we can
Battle res first we can we can get these players out and then one of them could
jump off and the other two can keep doing damage perhaps we have those waves
spawning the raid making sure to dodge while not getting inside the red
circles and the petrification is coming out now but here comes that damage burn
we basically have to get the boss dead inside this burn window I think
it's dead like the the bosses at 13 percentage oh my god four people ended
up going down it looked like it was one of those those circles that were on
the ground into taking people out with the rubble.
The battle res is committed as well
to some of those petrified people.
It looks like they still have one battle res even remaining,
but the boss is going to die.
Heroic Ulotecas fall in world second for Liquid.
Many attempts.
How many attempts was that to kill the boss?
So in total, I think it's about 30
that Liquid have used on this boss.
Although 25, 20 of those were into versions of this boss
that are no longer available.
that have been massive nerfs to various mechanics
that were mostly scaling poorly to 30 players.
So, nicely done.
We do get the reward of those three Omni tokens
in addition to powerful cantrip items,
items that give you a bunch of more stats
than their budget.
Plus, these are all Hero 4 out of 6 items as well.
So, they are high item level compared to
pretty much everything else
that you can get your hands on this week.
Alright, nicely done. We're going to get a replay as well.
Yeah, so here's that final burn, final platform even. Once again, we can watch how they, so
they're at 30 players alive and one battle res available here.
Yeah.
The red soaks come out and those players very quickly spread to the edges so that they
can avoid getting soaked down and thereby generating those green circles.
I don't really think they sent the battle res. Like, these players get petrified,
they end up getting killed off by the rubble that ends up spawning. I think one player,
additional player on top of that ended up dying they didn't even come at the
battle res they just like that was there so there's to be a rubble in the mid yeah
and yeah four total deaths and it looks like an onk maybe rather than a battle
res used on that shaman what were the deaths from so three of them were just
the petrified players going down and yeah I think one died to a rubble hit yeah
this is optimal for a ret paladin friend is it free wings yeah that's
right although hopefully wings is being held for that point anyways actually you
You know, if you're sacrificed every time, then you can pretty consistently get that wings.
Okay, so I think what we're most likely to see now is do it again.
Yeah.
Do her a cool tech again, hop on a new set of characters, and run it back.
And the question is how many we are going to do.
I think the answer is you do it on all your characters.
I think you do it 13 more times.
Yeah.
I think we're going to be looking at the comp.
I think the comp is going to be kind of something that's very important to take a look at.
The arms warriors, the Destra warlocks, the arcane mages, those felt like they were kind
of like the premium specializations on that fight.
So how many of those you're going to have per split might end up changing?
How easy or hard any individual fight may be?
But something that's going to stay true is that they have to 7 heal every single time,
which is ridiculous for 30 players.
Now I know that we did have some nerfs already to Hurogu to take yesterday, and I know
that a lot of questions are coming in today are are we going to see another nerf maybe to like the HP?
I think now that we have two guilds that have downed it that seems unlikely what do you guys think?
Yeah I continue to think it's very unlikely that that boss will get nerfed I think reset.
I wouldn't be shocked if in a future reset it does but a midweek HP nerf to a boss
even before it was killed I think was pretty unlikely because it was you know it's it was a
boss that people had been wiping to but it's not like anybody who was wiping to it.
Couldn't get more power by doing some other stuff first, right? Yeah, so I think that yes
It's very likely that we're gonna see that boss
Continue to be exactly this hard for the remainder of this reset
And I were talking about it like during a recap yesterday about like the thing that was actually notably absent on the Lotech
Whenever they nerfed it was an HP nerf and while I
Mean we're we're on week one of the patch
HP is obviously the thing that is the most susceptible to being outgeared with time
And so if they slam down a 5 or a 10% HP nerf it would have made it easier for these raceful first skills to be able to
Kill it during splits at the end of the day
You kind of worry if you're blizzard does it make it less satisfying for the overall player base or alternatively as well
Kind of like you pointed out Travis. Is it necessary? Yeah, I think it's not I think
The boss HP is in a good place right now
Like that's an awesome finish that we just saw and that is liquid at eye level, you know, 298
It gets outscaled heavily whenever you're 3-10, 3-15, etc.
Just a couple of resets, you're going to have so much more power.
I think even this reset, a lot of, like, I think,
consequence whenever they were pulling next Zolli and in Tomb of Sentinels they were something like 308.
Yeah, because they sent a bunch of the crests and stuff that Liquid are still holding onto.
Exactly.
I know that also I'm seeing a lot of comments from people that are kind of in this heroic progression guild
that they're actually really enjoying the difficulty.
Yeah, heroic is fun.
Yeah, the kind of like that they're feeling like they're progressing like you would see at the rate at this level
Yeah, I think you know getting to do progression rating is is the most fun thing you can do in Wow
And there are some tiers where you don't really have to do that in Heroic because it's just you know normal too
We're getting a little taste of it. Yeah, or LFR3 is the case. Oh, I see you're saying normal as well
Yeah, it's normal. Yeah, normal part 2
you. Yeah, the datification of raid. Yeah. Is it a SpongeBob episode?
Kippy. Where he's a he loses all of his. He's just a square. He's a
high and normal. That's what's happening right now. All right.
Well, we're getting another split going. Oh, I think hired up on a
character that's sending a bunch of upgrades. Oh, it's tech
Friday, baby. Yep. Tech Friday. Love to see it. Also, I
I don't know if we've talked about this too much, but we've got four guilds now at 4 out of 8.
If you look at our leaderboard right now, we've got 4 out of 8.
1 out of 8.
1 out of 8.
Excuse me.
4 guilds.
Did I say 1 guild at 4 out of 8?
4 guilds at 4 out of 8.
Sorry.
4 guilds at 1 out of 8.
Thank you.
That consequence, Dave Brink.
Literacy test in mid?
Does that say mid?
Yeah.
Mid.
Just mid.
I like that.
I like that.
Yeah, so first boss has gone down for them.
Yeah.
37 pulls, 7% lowest wipe.
I heard you peeping with them.
No, no, no, no, I heard Tettles, it was tossing some shade the early shifts away.
This is some lore that I need to be caught up on.
I got a DM, okay, so Dratnus may have described some of the people who were pulling Nexazali
early on as arriving in a lot of people in a very small car and whenever they showed
up their shoes were rather large and they had a red nose perhaps and then I
received a DM why are you calling me my guild clowns I said I would never say
such thing I'll try this on the other hand yeah and then they go I will be
refunding my dreadnest socks oh from the early shifts yeah right yeah early
shift the early shift player is this something that you know or is this just
a yeah okay okay I don't know which would make it funnier but that is that
funny okay well I also I heard the word that a clout being thrown around as well
hmm that they're only pulling for the clout I think it is fun it's fun to
run in there and pull the first boss right just do mythic progression and
see if you can kill a boss you know without getting all the gear first
without getting all your set bonuses without doing all these splits and
stuff yeah that's just a fun way to play the game but then sometimes you
do reach a boss where it's like man if we just had that 10 more eye level
right this would not be yeah none of this would be hard in the way that it is
for us right now I think that's the cool thing about the racial versus like as
much as we're rooting for the top yeah also rooting for everybody else exactly
I say rooting for the bosses the community thing I mean I feel like I
feel like you know your your kill counts from like what is just as much as
your own your own guilt does mm-hmm you work just you know let me not just as
far oh my gosh you know I'm saying this is that two arms or is it got wolf
Just going wall life both on arms.
All right, this is going to be a free one.
Oh my god.
Is there always going to be two warlocks required
because they're using gates to get across this stuff faster,
at least on Mythic?
Like, I think you probably hobble your way over there.
Yeah, I think on Heroic, you could get away without it.
I do think on Mythic, it'll probably be used.
Maybe not required.
What's the cool off ability to use gate?
Can you use it back and forth?
Yeah, you can use it on the way out and back in.
Yeah, OK.
Yeah, I think the first gate's at like 230,
and then the second one you're pressing at about 430.
So, it's a good way to do that.
We are again seeing a bunch of those Vantus runes committed here.
Yeah, so basically all of the characters that aren't main quality.
So, we don't know exactly how many mains are in this run.
Dreadnos was speculating that it's going to be like two potentially.
Yeah, I mean, so there are players that still haven't locked in a main yet as well, right?
A lot of players have like two or three potential main characters still outstanding.
And it's going to be determined which one is actually your main, based on which one gets a good set of ULTEC loot.
So there's probably what, 25 people who are Vantus running this?
Something like that, yeah. 20 to 25, I would say, people have enough confidence that they're currently playing something that isn't their main and can't be their main.
We are seeing some world markers go down. This is probably for the P3 platform assignments and red circle soak assignments.
They just want to make sure they can get a nice even split here.
Sometimes when you're running splits like this you can't just do the same positions every time because there's some people that swap between like melee and
ranged right on some of their characters some people are healing on some of their characters and then
DPSing on others as well potentially
So meet the case in this group. Yeah a couple extra DK's here right like anarchy for instance on a DK now
Was playing in a voker last time right so that's a melee versus rain. I shot was on a L
Sorry anarchy. Why do we have so many DK's?
are we are we planning on using watch you know for the splits it's just a case
well look we've got two arms worries in this split which means we can carry
anything through this fight but yeah you're saying and our people I was also
saying a shine as well okay also on a swap yeah are we doing that the funnel
plate here do we plan on doing the DK's I think that the DK it's just
these people that we have some DK's you know they happen to be in this split
I I don't think that they're especially being prioritized and they've
probably is more like if somehow the tech shows up and there was a hundred
trips that they needed.
Right. I mean, it's just, it's a question of like which characters are being
prepared, right? Everybody's got their four characters that they are bringing.
And that's already been decided a couple of weeks ago.
And those are all going to need to show up in one of these splits.
Yeah. At some point, uh, we do know there is class tuning.
So the class tuning roadmap was posted a week or so ago.
and we know that there's tuning that will be coming
on this coming Tuesday.
Exactly.
We don't know when it's gonna be posted,
but historically it's usually sometime on the Friday.
It's only about five.
Yeah, usually Friday afternoon or evening.
So there is a potential world
where Liquid does all their Rulotex,
then the tuning gets posted,
and if something big changes,
then there is a chance that like Echo and Method
will be able to react to that
and change their gearing.
and we might get a little bit owned on it.
So maybe it's a good thing then that the splits have been kind of slow.
Maybe, Al, but maybe it's the perfect speed where we end up just on the wrong side of the tuning
and they end up on the right side. But that being said, tuning after the raid comes out
tends to be a lot more conservative than the ones that we saw at the start this week, for instance.
Yeah, they learned their lesson with that.
Normally it's like a big tuning number for specializations like in this week, it's like 8%.
Right, that would be a large, especially a huge nerf,
and that would also be a very large buff.
You could do that to like Affliction Warlock
or something this week.
Yeah, Augmentation Evoker.
Well, Augmentation Evoker is a weird case,
because Augmentation Evoker looks bad on the logs
right now, but it's like, you know,
if Augmentation Evoker isn't great,
it's gonna be very, it's gonna look very bad on the logs
because nobody's good is gonna bother playing against.
Oh, of course.
What kind of changes are you expecting
or hoping for, maybe?
I think that they should try and be very light-handed with nerfs, so I think maybe Just Arms Warrior
gets a little...
I think Cap Dabber's.
You would hit Destro.
I don't think I would hit Destro, no.
I think Destro is...
You're going to summon Telemons.
Yeah, I think so.
I watched your guys recap video last night.
I think Destro and Sub are both good, but in a lot of cases they're good because
they work well against some of these fights, and I don't think they're OP in the
way that Arms is.
I think I would have probably nerfed them last week,
but I don't think I would nerf them this week.
Okay, it's kind of a question of,
so like what are you tuning based off of, right?
Like I think that historically they tune based off
of the actual performance of a specialization in the raid,
not that theoretical performance in this raid
while it is, it's just very two target heavy.
And so you have some specializations
that are exceptional performers on two target.
You have the arms warrior,
you have the devastation of ochre,
you have the Dester Warlock,
even in some instances you got like Frostmage.
I wish I would be trying to avoid nerfing as much as I could
Yeah, cuz I just think yeah some like some things are allowed
Some things are gonna be the best specs and it sucks if you you know just say okay everything
That's above average is getting toned down like that dude
That's a really unfortunate feeling for a lot of the people playing the game right so I would say like okay
If something is OP then we got a nerf it but if something is just good
That's that's fine like sex are allowed to be good
Specs are allowed to be great if they're just not allowed to be maybe as good as our arms were here
So all I'm saying is there is precedence with Hydra shot last year for marksmanship putter for the for blizzard to nerf
Specialization by 20% on a singular fight. Yeah, that was but that was the case where that spec was like doing 50% more
To image than everybody else on that fight. Yeah
Yeah, so I think I would go light light-handed on any nerfs and then I would do a lot more buffs
So I would do I would do, you know affliction and demonology for instance, I'd be sending upwards
I maybe had a assassination again with a little buff. Ooh, THD. Okay. It looks like a wife's been called actually here. Yeah
Yeah
DPS warriors just also generally speaking not allowed to be good Blizzard does not like it does not allow them to be good
DPS warriors. Yes DPS warriors was just got a thing to make them bad
Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't nerf arms to the point where it's bad
I think you could just you could take you know 3% off it or something and have it still be great
I'm impartial. I just
Blizzard's gonna do what they're gonna do
Yeah, but the the point is we'll probably learn about that sometime this afternoon or evening. Yeah
if although there's a chance we won't write the hatch has been kind of
There's been a lot going on
There's a chance that that has been pushed to Monday from instead of being announced today
Like it usually is yeah, but it was a considering instead of nerfing any spec that's over performing
What if they just buffed all the other specials?
Yeah, buff every... buff 35 stacks instead of everything one.
It could be mine, eh?
I think that sounds like a sound.
Yeah.
Solution.
And then let's just buff the boss's HP as well a little bit.
Yeah!
You just turn everything up?
Not all the day.
Turn everything up?
Yeah.
What is that picture?
That's Pentas winning a giveaway.
Yeah, Pentas winning a Skowt.
Skowt, that giveaway.
Yeah, exactly.
The lore on this is...
I think it was like Gamescom or something?
Like 2016 maybe?
Yeah, and Skowt tweeted out that he was...
like running a giveaway for anybody who found him that was subscribed to his Twitch and so Pentas saw him
that's just the guy whose face was there and
Subscribed on his phone. Yeah, so that he would then be eligible to them with
And then walked up and then that iconic photograph was taken. Yeah, one the
Maspath and it was a method Maspath I'm assuming. Yes. Pentas is also a notable like FSY member. Yeah
Yeah, yeah at that time as well fsy they were probably some of the biggest hate watchers of method
I know like generational hate watching so I like he did it for the bit
Wow, yeah, he really committed
I think that there was like a thing where like method and FS4 was beefing for a long time. It's gonna who he was I
Don't think so from the face like I don't think that I think you would recognize the username maybe but yeah
Not the face, but I'm not sure I this is like third hand lore for me. Yeah, I've never seen that one
This is like if you see Scott you ask him about the lore. Yeah
Yeah, yeah, there's any of the former rafters why people would be able to tell you better
Good to know good time to just former rafters wife. Yeah, yeah, you old old people
Yeah
So that's an interesting topic that we were kind of talking about a little bit behind the scenes yesterday is like kind of where
We got players from like our most recent recruits
It seems like predominantly European players as about 50% of the roster European nowadays. Yeah, so
Yeah, I'm curious conversely how many NA players are on echo
Many spin spin
That might be it
They got G casting for them. Not anymore. Oh, yeah, that's the JB. They got JB casting for them. Yeah
They'll be playing them. Yeah. Yeah
interesting although not a former Raider yeah so I think it's it's only
two our recruits this year are new players
yargie yeah we got cryptics returning this year I guess he's rated in the past
for liquid as well right yeah he wasn't rating last a while ago though wasn't it
kind of before all of this or am I not remembering the time right okay
Where you came from?
FSY, yeah, okay.
Where was cryptics in the meantime?
ID.
Sorry, go ahead, Drannos.
We've gotten a lot of people from Fatshark.
That's one of the main poaching grounds for...
Sorry, FSY.
It's a tough spot. If you're one of the best
non-race to world first guilds,
you have a lot of interest in collecting your players
from the race to world first guilds.
FSY method, I think.
Recruiting pool. Yeah
Hopeful for meco
Yeah, that's true. Double was on echo. Yeah. Yeah. Double was on echo, too
She was on method. Yep. While life I think it was also who was the last player that we got was on echo, wasn't it?
Who? While life I think I think so. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Who was the last player that we got from an NA guild?
Cryptics. Cryptics. Okay before that I wonder
Who the recruits last year? So Yargie was a recruit last year. Who else was new?
Yeah, fun graphic should make this. Yeah, I mean a lot of the remaining NA players are the people that have been here for a long time
I think it'd be really cool to see a graphic of all the players like when they join and and kind of like the history of
Timeline of their guilds one of those like snake. Yeah, yes. Yes. Oh, yeah, snake here as well
It would line up who me joined open vodka era bar anarchy
I think joined on mana for trade. Yeah anarchy was it was the one I was looking at the rate
I was looking through the raid frames and trying to see who was from when.
I'm saying this graph has titles coded.
Would this be a titles video?
Uh, the history of like the raiders, like the raiders?
Yeah, raiders.
Raiders.
Uh, it would take a lot of research.
It could be a potty sea episode.
We gotta get one of like the historian.
Every guild has their like historians.
You just gotta pick their brains for a bit and get a full history from them.
I know the lore of a lot of these people, but like there's, especially the more
European the the roster gets the less lore I have on some of the people the
more what oh you're paying your yeah obviously like the NA players it's like
oh yeah this yeah a lot of these people have you know before they were in ID or
something they were in a vodka or one of these other one of these guilds that
matches in PDG group was in on core right the the fire up was in vodka like
all of those like then the NA people it's like oh yeah I know where they
came from because it could only come from a couple of different places the
Europeans it's like oh this this guy could have been anywhere yeah just guess
that's FSY FSY is usually safe that yeah how many people come from part of
Pop-Tart corn dog I don't think we have any alumni in in liquid right now last
one was Timber Mall Timber Mall I have in the Demensius is Timber Mall back
with Pop-Tart no I don't know where where if he's rating I think he retired
Yeah, after after the menses. Oh, that was a tough tier. I was a very tough tier retire on top, baby
How was a pop tart corn dog and nerf doing what are you guys up to in your own progression? We pulled numerous a wave collar after
Careful assessment of like what we should be doing. We determined that that was a mistake and now we're gonna be
Sending crafts the crests and crafts and pulling neck Zolley
I think we might actually throw attempts at Sentinels instead of going and doing Ullatakaroa,
but I'm not 100% sure what the exact strategy is.
I am a sense.
Next all the pretty low value boss to do, but the ones after it, after you start getting
Mythic Tier, that starts being pretty nice.
It's just some good trinkets as well.
Ullatakaroa, the pieces are so good.
At the same time, we're missing Curious, we don't do splits, so the fact that we're
We're gonna be missing out on three curious, really frustrating, but if we couldn't kill this and we say could have killed in Team Sentinels, it's also a mistake, so like...
You guys only have one more raid, you do your Sunday and then...
Yeah, if you have something ever done, so we've got four more hours, but...
Yeah, I think Mythic Nexali, I think Tomb Sentinels maybe. I don't know, I mean, Heroic will attack, it's not gonna be that much easier next week, like...
Our comp also, we do not have, like, premium specs.
The tough part as well is this tier is like, you don't actually get stronger when you open your vault, right?
Because you're taking a bonus roll in most cases, so it's like, next week you don't even get that much stronger for Heroical Attack, so...
You know, if you're trying to coin it, for instance, then you gotta figure it out.
It feels like they're not really getting much stronger from splits, either.
Yeah, it's just like...
Well, because you don't want to spend like, all of these resources that actually could make you stronger now,
on the mains, although, yeah, if you look at the liquid splits, for instance, they have used
Most of their sparks, most of their crafts on these alts now.
What is your guys' plan?
So you guys are almost done with your splits?
Yeah, we've got heroic last two, we've got three copies of that to do.
Normal last two, we've got three copies of that to do.
And then heroic next alley, we've got
or heroic Numerisa, we've got three copies of that to do.
And then it's all hard stuff. So assume Coil Launcher,
guys and the numerous you're probably doing those what's the next plan are you
going the first you guys going heroic first I want to do her a cool attack
first I think the items from it are sufficiently good like they're really
good it's better than the better than the mythic next Ali loot and you generate
a lot more of it as well so I think that's gonna be our our plan it does
involve you know powering up the alps a lot there's a chance we'll have to
not be we might not be able to split it but I know we could at least kill it
I hope we can do it in splits and so that is the hard part
You at least need it dead by next week as well because you really want there's a lot of who want a bonus
Exactly because you want to bonus roll it and because if you're you know if you're taking a bonus roll out of your vault
You're not taking an item out of your vault
So you don't get this thing where it's like oh, yeah, we'll be stronger next week after we all take our vaults like no
You won't you'll be you'll be exactly the same power level after you open your vault
You need to kill heroic will attack before you get stronger
I'm trying to I'm trying to like reconcile the fact that I might just slam a two-handed weapon craft and like oh, yeah
Cuz I think a lot of our casters are a lot of people were speculating that the optimal thing to do was actually just like wait until you can
Bonus roll next week and bonus roll her over with tech and and like craft an offhand and you know
Maybe craft a main hand over top that I might just slam to my weapon like at this point like the the radius
It's so hard the important variable that a lot of us didn't factor in
Properly was how hard her a cool attack was gonna be right like given that this boss is a progression encounter
encounter this difficulty, you need the power to kill it.
Do you remember whenever nobody crafted legendaries for Castle
and Athria because they were worried that legendary tuning
was going to happen?
Yeah.
And then everybody kind of got trolled and had to craft.
This is kind of how it feels like that.
Yeah.
Do you're also when somebody accidentally crafted
the wrong legendary?
Oh, that was, oh, I don't know about the wrong legendary.
I know that there was the start of Dragonflight
when JB crafted an Agi Dagger.
I think that's what I'm thinking about.
Is Debbie crafted a Windwalker weapon on Accent
instead of a Miss Weaver weapon?
Well, he just played Windwalker, and he ended up getting bailed out.
It looks like this is not going to be a kill, by the way, for anybody keeping track on this
split.
We've got a lot of people dead.
I think this is going to make the damage check.
Well, we've got two arms warriors.
Hang on.
Maybe this is still doable, even with a couple people dead.
So we've got Dronako able to onk, choosing not to so far, Exile dead with Nobires,
and Nick who is a healer dead, but I think we're past the part where we need all
the healers.
I mean they're doing more stacks on the petrification here. I think so last time whenever they went to the second heartburn
The boss is like 17% with all 30 raiders alive now. It looks like this well
We've got a long time before that burn. Yeah, it's a 930. I mean man. I'll actually mean a little bit lower
Yeah, we're DPS is up there
As an hour and third that's Shaq there on frozen the igloo one of the characters he maimed in one of the previous tiers
But yeah, it looks like now everybody's starting to go down. Wow, this boss is actually a lot lower. It's calm. Yeah
There's a second hole for Heroic Ulytec for this group. I think so. I think this is a this looks second pull of it
See if anybody just joining us we're in heroic Ulytec splits about 30 minutes ago
We got the first kill of it and
Immediately logged on to the next set of characters to try and do it again. It is Ulytec Friday, baby
It is.
I think 14 Ulutex is the order of business for today, although I don't have that number
officially, that's my guess for how many they're going to run a bit.
We know one down star.
Very important variable is how many wipes per kill we are going to have.
Not counting all the progression before that first kill, right?
But starting then, are we going to be able to kill this with one wipe per attempt?
Zero wipes, of course, would be crazy.
That would be super fast.
But basically every time that goes up by one right every extra wipe per kill that you add
you're adding an extra like hour or two to today.
Well in the meantime while we are waiting for this next poll I do want to give a shout
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Well, how big were they like triple-digit multiple? Yeah, okay. Wow. Yeah
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for that I think I think Jack was asking for people's bookshelves and
was reviewing the books that people had so you want to do that we I don't know
how many of us are readers but I can but I try not to
you read daily basis yeah you read Sims it hurts my brain
yeah I like the the tiktoks oh or if they could make a book with subway
surfers in the corner I'd probably be down but I just get so bored
I think the kill has that feature oh okay yeah yeah log in
yeah the same problem in splits as well I need a subway surfers add on
yeah go over like over my damage meter or something
The days are specialty. Yeah, yeah, I'm stims. Yeah, exactly.
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Here we go. Pull number three for this plate group on heroic
Ooh the tech we've seen it go down once this morning for liquid and once
about two or three hours ago for the Chinese gold clear water this morning
they were both first on her attack and there's another Chinese gold that was at
two percent but it's pretty it's like probably two or three in the morning for
that I don't know are not still going many guilds that'll still be awake yeah
late over there I don't even know how to check if they're still pulling to be
honest because I don't think they show up on Raider Raider O it's like
manually put in there because I don't think they have competition mode that
Yeah, sometimes it can be hard to get access to all of them, all the data from over there, although usually the first few kills we've got pretty well tracked, but yeah, it's pretty impressive as well because basically I was like the first thing they did this reset, like that's been their first full day of the reset because they get it on their Thursday morning, which is a little over a day ago I think.
Let's see.
It's like 36 hours after the NA servers come up.
Yeah.
When the Chinese reset is, so.
We've got a lot less time to collect gear.
Still able to pick up that world first on Heroic Cool Attack?
Obviously the question always is like,
will this be a 3-Heroes race?
Will this be a 4-Heroes race?
What do you feel like the biggest barriers for that region
are in them having the potential to get first?
Because they've come very close.
Well, I think that they...
They're not quite there yet.
Or at least in previous years.
I think they don't try to get first.
I think it's probably the first thing.
Really?
There have been a couple of Chinese super guilds that have been formed,
but they are only formed for very brief periods of time.
You don't think they were trying?
I mean, I'm sure they're trying, right?
It's really hard.
So, okay, whatever I say they're not trying,
it's kind of like the prerequisite is
you have to have 100% of the best players in a region
in a singular guild.
They have had that for brief periods of time.
of time, you need that for tier in and tier out. That's probably the first limitation for the reason
that they're they're not able to achieve it. The second limitation I think relates to the reset.
Obviously the being 32 hours behind in terms of when their start time happens is a massive disadvantage
more so than the 13 hours between NA and EU. And so like I think that that is that is a
really big disadvantage but I think more than anything. Like they whenever they compete
for M-plus, for MDI, for live key pushing, they are exceptionally good, but they have to be able to
put that same level of dedication into rating. And actually a lot of their top players no longer
even do competitive rating, instead opting for just doing Mythic Plus full-time. And so they have
kind of like a different system in place for how their players play, but I think it's just
difference in priorities and even dedication level. I think there is a very tall hill that
that you have to climb. And the problem is it's not like Liquid and Echo are static targets,
right? Like if you compare how good Liquid and Echo are to how good they were two years
ago, both guilds are way better than the versions of the guilds that existed two years ago,
which are way better than the versions that existed two years before that. There's
continuous improvement happening at the top, which means if you were trying to catch
and overtake Liquid and Echo and you're starting from quite a lot less experience
in such it is almost a possible to do as yeah we are seeing another wipe coming
out here on heroic look like everybody got stunned I'm not sure what mechanic
that was that landed the 15 second stun on everybody there but something had been
failed sure HP doomscale coming from the other side of the room there so my
suspicion is it has something to do with that maybe miss the damage check on
the ad maybe yeah maybe an egg not deposited into that cauldron thing yeah
absolutely possible. Could be the penalty for failing that. Mythic today? I don't think mythic today is
super likely. Yes. If we see it, it'll be late. We've got a lot of rule of text to do,
and I'm sure they'll find some other thing to do for gear before mythic as well. They always do.
The rule of mythic is it's always later than you are hoping it'll be.
I think I found the broadcast, but this website doesn't translate. It just stays
in Chinese as the primary language spoken over there well yes obviously
that's I'm saying like I can't do the Google translate okay there's too much
synergy between you guys I feel like a third wheel I just I have a lot of
worldly knowledge oh do you yeah yeah I know the primary language spoken in
many countries tell us actually does you're about the Philippines you're a
big geogacer guy oh yeah yeah what is it you know depends depends on who you're
speaking to okay okay what's the primary one though probably English no
could be okay to call log maybe that's yeah great work thank you production
nice job are you kidding me say the production it told him yeah you would
after I heard it you I mean appreciate you also pronounce it agree yeah he did well
it's got a G in it it was yeah well I'm you're in the right track yeah you
the spear dialogue yeah tag along yeah one of those yeah I agree to disagree I
heard it both ways we're at Hong Kong so that was a British treaty port until
like 50 years ago right so it's right Chinese and 99 is when that ended yeah
that's yeah Kate's knees and Mandarin are both like a poor Chinese and that's
both of them okay that's like a poor that's also Chinese right it's
English. Yeah, it's like English. I know if you go there in the movie, if you look there,
the oh, yeah, you should know this. They have like four languages. All their stuff. Yeah.
I've seen videos of people like going on the public transit there. Because sometimes I get in
these YouTube rabbit holes where I get these these videos where people are like,
just going around a city on the different public transit. And in Singapore, I know that one of
the things they were talking about was like, if they do those announcements at the train
station it takes like four minutes to get through any of them because they just
go through all these different languages yeah to do the same announcement there's
a lot of different languages spoken there
apparently very hot there during the summer as well hot there year-round but
they got these big fans it's impressive it's impressive that they
invented fans well they got like big outdoor fan like air cannons that are
just like blasting the air to keep it moving that's typically what fan does
yes yeah but this is like on another level okay these are your these are your
grandma's fans right these are like industrial air cannons there's a brand
of fans that like the rasga the equivalent yeah exactly they're called
they're called big ass fans there's a there's a that's the actual name of the
brand and I think their logo is a donkey so if you go into like like a big
soccer indoor soccer facility or something there's big fans on the
ceiling. It's probably the brand of fan.
I love learning.
But not reading. Yeah. No, no, no. No. Well, it's a couple
words I can get through. But okay, which one for dog and
paragraphs. Yeah. Tldr. So titles. You're a big Geo
Gesser guy. Is it Geo Gesser? Or what's the
I was like geography. Okay. So Geo Gesser I there's like
weird matters with Geo Gesser specifically that I don't
like, I don't I feel like the meadows in that game kind
to take the fun out of it. Yeah, I like playing the game just based on the knowledge and guess
where it is. But I don't know where like all the Google maps. Yeah, exactly. It's like,
oh, there's an artifact in the top right corner. That's because of that dead pixel
from this camp, this car that was driving on this. They only have like, you know, they
also only have like 75, maybe even like 65% of the countries in the world covered.
And it's like, you need to have like coverage map knowledge. Yeah. Like they're like
analyzing the angle of the sun and I don't know. I think it's cool. I like watching
people that are good at it. I do too. But yeah it's intimidating to try and get
good at that. I think it takes I don't know I think it takes a fun out of it
when it's not just like I like the ones where it's like oh already have the road
signs here right it's like oh it's yellow under black on this post that means it's
this kind I like that kind of thing I don't like the one where it's like
metagaming the the Google car yeah yeah that's what I mean that's what I mean
yeah um so when you play that game that what is the game that you play
a lot. I've seen you do the one where you do like the map from you got like one country
and you got another country and you have to like oh yeah that's a good one. Yeah I saw
somebody do one where it was like you had to get from like France to the Netherlands
without going through Belgium and along the coast you have to do like this like world
tour around all around like down Africa. Oh, Russia. That is. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. That's
probably like 50 countries. Yeah. Are you good at naming flags? My girlfriend, I do
the flag doku sometimes. I am okay. Okay. At it. I'm really I was I'm embarrassingly
bad at it. I was looking at Fronk's guild and he had a little graph of all the guildies
and what country they were from and I think I got like three of them correct.
Wow, that's tough because they're probably just like European countries, right?
Yeah. Well it was stuff like to my defense. It was like, one I guessed was France, but
it was like the French flag, but it was like flipped. So it was a different country.
I don't know what country that is. Which one was it from? What country was that?
The Netherlands.
The Netherlands.
Then I'm scared.
The French flag confused.
Do not tell her about the differences between Belgium and Germany.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
That was immediately when I thought of whatever she said that.
I did my best.
Yeah.
Some flags out there, you know, could be a little hard.
Yeah.
The Swiss one is good though.
I like that one.
But yeah, the flag doku is a...
Big plus, particularly annoying.
It was a Cypress flag in there.
I didn't guess that one.
Oh, okay.
I didn't recognize it.
The way you can tell that Cyprus is it's an all-white flag, and it just has the outline of Cyprus in the middle of an orange.
I guess Lichtenstein. I was like, I see a tiny country on here. I guess that one.
Oh yeah, one of the 20 people in this country is in Tron's Guild.
They're very, very wealthy though. Yeah.
Don't play World of Warcraft, Graham. I've never met a single person from Lichtenstein.
Well, yeah, they live in a castle.
Oh, no. There's no World of Warcraft in castles? I guess I have their own, IRL, so they don't need any.
I bet castles would have bad internet coverage. I bet that would be a challenge.
All right, well here we go. Into another poll. Yeah, often the insubmission...
We're just not killed it yet. Go ahead.
So this is the side where we've got those tethers that need to get snapped.
They should be coming out here shortly.
And yeah, dodges while tethered. You can see a couple of...
So it's pretty hard to see, but there's that green line.
It's not on fire top, but somebody right near him has one there. There are those headers
Okay, they're pretty easy to see now and there's one snap to snap and then holding that third one AMZ inside the AMZ
And it's the other mage there looks like you're not going to be that is going to then get to snap that once that debuff falls off
Everybody want to make sure that we don't extend
The debuff because it's also relevant to the other side as well
It's not just so you have you have six in total right it's like three per side and then whatever either side snaps
that puts the people through the entire raid.
That is an awesome mechanic.
Yeah, I think there's half as many as there were
yesterday as well, which is
how many healers do they have in this run? Is that six?
Do you have two Holy Priests?
So there were seven healing the other run.
One, two, three, four, five, six, yeah.
Looks like six now. Two Holy Priests, a Restor Shaman,
a Holy Paladin, a Restor Druid
and a Presovoker.
Of all the specs that I...
And a Blood Decay, don't forget that.
And two Blood Decays even, yeah.
on this tier the one that I think I'm most regretting is rest or druid actually
that's back has been looking better than I was anticipating I thought even after the little
buff they got this week they were going to be pretty weak but they've been on top of those
throughput meters pretty often on a lot of these fights although much because Nick is the goat
and he's playing a decent chunk of them here as well there's also they're also one of the
like holy priests they scale nicely into 30 player raid sizes here comes that next damage burn
though on Ullatec. Hoping to get the boss down to that 40% ish range before we enter the next intermission.
Looks like the damage is chugging along here for Team Liquid. If you peek over at the damage meter,
you might get a little hint as to how they're getting the boss so low here. They've been listed
the help of two arms warriors and that class is somehow picked up stealth from the rogue to
dodge the balance that everybody else got. To dodge the balance? Yeah, the class
developers unable to see the arch warrior because they've appropriated
stealth ability from the road. Yes.
Manish. Yeah. Drop threat.
Redirected over to the frost death knight somehow.
Got a tuning on that. Dude, what's going on with us? Yeah.
You could go work rough logs if you look at the damage stack.
They're just 20% below everyone. It's like, it's insanely bad.
Oh yeah. I don't know if I've ever seen a stack that low before.
We got nerfed this week by the way.
I'll be glad you didn't play for us that night.
Alright, here we go. Last phase. Heroic Wool Attack, boss quite low.
We've got a lot of our resources here. We've got both of our battle reses available still as well.
So if we can just clutch out this phase, this could be the second heroic Ullatech kill for Team Liquid.
We start off with a spawn of eggs, each one on the platform that isn't where the boss lives, and yeah, pretty easily taken care of.
Getting that one in the back does require a couple of those range to swap over to it.
Now we've got these red circles.
So these players are going to get petrified if they're not soaked down in time.
but everybody helping soak them down is going to be causing a green spread circle
that they'll have to then all be able to spread out for.
Next spawn of eggs though while this is going on
and as soon as the red soaks are done you can see fired up and some other players
make sure to get onto those extra platforms be able to help out fired up mostly on egg
killing duty as an arcane mage is able to swap fairly easily around especially outside of his CDs.
Now we've got that first of four platforms getting destroyed by one of these spectral tails
And now we only have three platforms to play with for the remainder of this phase
Which means when the boss is spawning the eggs one of them is gonna land in the venom and I mean hatch instantly
If they can keep everybody alive, they have two battle res, so they have another battle res coming up in 35 seconds
This this should be a very easy kill for liquid. They've dropped down from the seven healers that
that they were running in the first run.
If they're able to get everybody to the finish line with six,
they should well have enough PPS.
I think that they're even gonna push into that last burn
where the heart is available at like 12% HP,
which is significantly lower than where they were
in the last run.
So this is looking really good for Liquid here.
We do have some more of these debuffs coming out,
and this is actually going to line up,
the spread is going to line up
with the platform getting broken.
You can see that tail coming down and slamming.
the melee DPS are bailing on that platform.
Actually it looks like one of the DK's
is gonna even just drop into that whirlpool
and probably a tank, I guess.
It's really cool.
Swimming?
Yeah, a little bit of swimming even.
Yeah.
Get your wet suit on.
Oh no, we'll just go.
Somebody get that guy, we need him.
All right, so still two B Rezes,
one of our three total that we got
during the fight committed there.
And we've got the next set of Soaks.
Couple more of these need to get done
And then the final set, we can sacrifice,
maybe even the second to last set,
depending on how we're feeling.
Yeah, I think that having the two Battle Rezes
is like so valuable.
It's a lot of flexibility here.
Dude, the boss, I mean, the boss is too big.
It's already in range here.
If they can just get to the burn,
that's all they have to do now.
Get to the burn with more people alive!
The fire up is gonna go down
and they are out of Battle Rezes now.
He's actually one of the people
that matters the most.
Yes, he's got a great burn.
I mean, look at the damage readers right now.
Those arcane mages are some of the top damage dealers.
That being said, the boss is still low enough
that they don't need everybody.
Yeah, I think you might just like straight up
just stack these people in the whirlpool here
and not to worry too much about it.
All you have to do is make it to that 930 mark
where the heart is gonna become exposed.
The heart is gonna be taking double damage
and Ulitech is going to be targetable.
Then the in-rage happens,
about the 10 minute marker
where the platform breaker comes out
and you just get dropped in the whirlpool,
but I don't even think Liquid's going to see that last platform break.
Once this heart gets exposed,
it's basically going to be put up or shut up for Liquid.
10% HP, a 20-second long burn before the fight ends,
and I think that they're going to be well into the second kill.
I think this is not even going to be close.
Boss, absolutely melting here.
Eight seconds left on the burn before it dies, even with players dead.
What's the loot?
And let's see what we've got here this time.
Oh, two trinkets!
Two venomous hearts!
It's BIS! Oh my god!
That's what I like to see, and we've got a couple of, it looks like the weapon there at the bottom of that loot table as well.
Oh, we gotta scroll it down! Yeah, there we go.
I think that's the very rare, right? The weapon at the bottom there.
It's literally, dude, I don't know if they could have got better loot. What is this?
Quite good, yeah. I mean, the problem is, it's like, oh yeah, the drinkers are good, but you know what, so are all of the armor pieces.
Yeah.
So are the necklaces, right? The Acurebane Reliquary would be a very good item to see out of this as well.
Well, the hat, this is a little helmet, too.
Yeah.
Nicely done.
Don't mind a hat.
Third heroic Lulatech kill in the world, second by Liquid.
That's right.
Liquid World 2nd and 3rd, which, you know, if you think about it, right, like in a lot
of Olympic medal calculations, a silver and a bronze is better than a gold.
Oh, is it?
Yeah, it depends.
It depends on how you're calculating it, right?
Right.
Yeah.
The vibes based?
Yeah, exactly.
If you're doing a little bit of vibes based, uh, medal calcs?
Yeah, yeah, it's effectively a world first
asterisk
Dula well look once they have world second through 15th, okay boss
I've gave reports from twitch chat that collapsed gaming got world third before this kill
Okay, what about it's over they are still second and fourth all right
Well liquid are gonna have to go into mythic if they want to get some world first then that changes the plans here
We've got mm-hmm. Okay
Yeah, they were at about 2% this morning and kind of everybody thought that they were going to get that world first kill on Heroic, Ulotec, but it was still water that got it while collapse gaming was at 2% and it looks like they are still so it's late in the day.
Wow. Yeah, they're going for that.
Three ish in the morning. I don't know exactly what to play, but.
So cool.
Yeah. Yeah.
Congratulations.
Servers are up.
Yeah.
Yeah, we're in the race to the first now. We're now in the thick of it.
Yeah, that actually is reminiscent of like limit back when they were limit right seven years ago eight years ago
They're just be raiding till the middle of the night. Yeah keep going
That has been one of the adaptations that you know as liquid has matured as a guild has been made is let's have a consistent bedtime
Let's not push this till the middle of the night. Let's not do these like 20 hour raids
Especially this early. Yeah, not until we're on an end boss that we think we're gonna lose if we get that for
I need to ask Max about this at some point
But I feel like you got in the sport science like super heavy
Yeah point and like because he talked about like optimizing your the length of your day
And there's like such a thing is like if your raid day goes too long
You end up having like regression in terms of your your actual performance and he says that you're also sacrificing well
Well 15 hours it feels a little bit tough
You'd rather do a 15 hour day
Then pushing it too long and have people playing a bit sleep deprived on the next day because you're basically
You know wasting almost wasting time more or less exactly Aldo, you know in the first couple days
It can be very fun to just blast but then you end up paying the price. Yeah later. Oh my gosh part of old vaults even old vault
Yep
Why is he doing this now? I
Think that gear on the I think he's gonna take a socket. Okay. Yeah, so I saw him do this but not take he took the socket
Then didn't actually use it. We'll see maybe he's just looking to see if he can make two pieces
Those were old tokens of merit.
Yeah, this is now the new one.
Yes.
From last week's last vault.
Yeah, this is the newest vault that we can have access to.
Yeah. And so these he can buy a socket with.
Yeah, but he, so what he did on his last character was he took these, but then he didn't buy the socket.
But yeah, maybe he was just checking to see if there was tier in there that would make him, you know, a set bonus or something.
Okay, now he's buying the socket, but is he going to use it?
Right, clicks it.
Oh, yeah, he's right in there. All right. So yeah, maybe we just swapped off it before he did last time
What did you do using it on that standing thing? It looks like anything that he will be wearing. Yeah
Yeah, so that yeah because that was like guaranteed alt. Oh, oh, I see. Okay. It's uh, this is making his alt stronger to make this kill
Easier. Yeah, we're just going for the Ulite kill. Yeah, we're all in the Ulite kill. Yeah, that makes sense
I mean this guy's gonna ban us from his wall, right? Like yeah, he's sending all the clothes. I'm seeing a
raid warning come out to join the discord
So maybe we're adjusting what we're up to now.
Maybe that was a fat finger.
Oh yeah, maybe that was just a macro being pressed.
Because yeah, I'm looking at the players here, and it looks like.
It looks like it was not a specific player.
It said, please join the Discord Happy Hill.
Yeah, OK.
Maybe someone's just lagging behind.
So if they're all 30 liquid raiders were doing something,
then they wouldn't be needing to do any of those, right?
Because they'd all be in TeamSpeak and work in stores.
I'm looking at the names here.
I don't recognize all these names.
But most of them I do.
And the ones that I don't could easily be alts of people.
So I think this will be another Oolitech.
So yeah, maybe somebody just accidentally pressed a macro.
Because yeah, I don't see.
I don't see any helpers in here.
I think it is another Heroic Uletech.
But yeah, I got a little tricked by that raid warning coming out.
Was Happy Hill one of the name of the split groups?
Yeah, yeah, it's one of those split groups.
But because they could have been pivoting to some other kind
of split, some helper splits.
But no shot there are going to be helpers in on Uletech
Heroic at this tuning.
So yeah, we're going to see another attempt at this one.
Let's see how the composition differs this time
around from last time.
It looks like more or less the same idea.
Got a couple of Mistreavers in this time.
Oh, OK.
So that'll be fun.
Looks like Toboh healing on a Mistreaver.
Smacked as well on one.
Love a man that can multi-class.
Yeah, Toboh often flexing between DPS and healer
in these splits, plays stuff like Shadow Priest
and then heal splits, Damage of Ochre,
and then can also heal on that one.
And yeah, it looks like a mystery verve is in here as well.
How many words we got?
It's like two.
So we got Scott on a front warrior.
But then we guess we're so we got Wall Life and Wolf Disco.
I I swear I've seen links disco like three times.
Maybe he's helping with maybe.
Yeah, maybe accent marks.
Yeah, maybe similar character names.
Maybe one of them is a capital I multiple servers.
Like yeah, well, T.H.G.
does it makes characters on really small characters.
Yeah, yeah, you got the link system on Draenor and on, you know, you'd really want to crush
go his his animals, all these different realms, Blackwater Raiders. Yeah. Are they server
named? Yeah, we don't see we don't want to end their hole. That is a realm. I think
one of the worst things, okay, not literally, but like something that I wish they wouldn't
do is when you make a new account and then you make a character they put you on an empty realm yeah, which I think
Oh, yeah, if it can be less I mean I get why they do it
But it's significantly less fun when there's just no people around when you're on a dead realm
It's very anti-MMO. Well, I think that like you don't really see too many people outside of capital cities anyways
Which are phased. Yeah, it doesn't matter as much anymore
But back in the day it used to be like a big thing where it's like the game
defaults to giving you a bad experience, right every single guide would always be like
Ignore the new player servers go on a full server. Now you just get phased and that's like the most important
Yeah, although you'll still get made fun of if you have a funny name at the end of your especially what that's
Long like steam weedle cartels. Yeah, the blackwater Raiders
Moon guard
They just they just sniff you out of the more peer
It's weird that crafting is still dependent on the server that you're on though.
Yeah, some server restrictions that still survive.
Server restrictions and action restrictions.
If you're like sometimes a server will be down.
Yeah.
Like we saw that with the launch.
Malganis I think was down last week.
Okay, so you're in Tic-Cop-Rus.
Yeah.
Maybe this is just confirmation bias for me because I'm on Tic-Tail.
I always feel like Tyke somehow survives like weird when like every server is down
It seems like Tyke is usually doing pretty stable and I don't know why that is often
Yeah, often it feels like we we get one of the we're one of the better servers, but then I remember I
Think it was like BFA launch or dragon flight launch
Dragonflight launch. I think we were one of the last ones to be like stable. No, I was one of the I I
Was one of the first people that was leveling in that area somehow. Yeah, you got the streamer priority queue
Yeah, no, I did activate the streamer setting.
So maybe that's why.
But yeah, I think these days often as well,
it's like, it's not necessarily like even the realms
that you're lagging on, right?
It's like sometimes like, it's like, oh,
you're connecting through the New Mexico server router
thing, and that one is down, or is like, you know,
under heavy load right now, and so like all the people
that are connecting through there,
randomly are having lag.
That's a good, that's a good conspiracy to add
your list. The streamer client. Yeah, the streamer client. Yeah.
Well, that's not a conspiracy. Well, yeah, that's just well
known. Oh, okay. It was Path of Exile that had the big
controversy about the streamer priority queue that they actually
did it. Yeah. So there was a season launch they had that was
like, pretty bad. And, you know, the servers had like massive
queues to get in. When was this? This was a couple years
go 2021 or something. Yeah, ultimatum league for which gosh, that was quite a while ago. Yeah,
that was forever ago. I'm going to count how many path of Exile League has been
a lot of the ones since then. And yeah, so what happened was there's like 100,000 people in Q
in front of you, right? And then they somehow all the streamers were able to log in. And it
turns out that they whitelisted a lot of the streamer accounts to be able to just like
jot the Q like shroud, I think was like on the front page, right? And so the reason that
they did this, you know, it kind of made sense, right? It's like a lot of these were
featured were sponsored streamers, right? So it's like the company was paying these guys,
you know, $1,000 or $10,000 to play the game on the launch. And then, you know, they don't want
them to just be showcasing sitting in queue simulator. But it's also like a competitive,
you know, season start where everybody is trying to, you know, level up as fast as they
can and, you know, be the first people to get stuff done. And yeah, it's kind of tough.
So is that worth like the ill will that they clearly got?
Yeah, and then they had like streamers like asking to get removed from it so that they could, you know, not get as much hate for the community.
Yeah. Yeah, it was kind of a double-edged sword, because, you know, like you said, you don't want a streamer sitting in a queue all day.
Right. I mean, it was like, definitely doesn't look good if you're getting streamer-friendly to that extent.
I think you should have read it. Like, that was, yeah. That was even like a...
Oh, I missed that then. Interesting.
It was good drama. That was good drama.
I guess I don't pay attention to pathways at all.
because all the rest of us were just sitting in a queue.
So we had nothing to do except for
doing these drama threads in different places and get mad.
So interesting. I feel like Path of Exile
for a long time did a really good job of building up.
Yeah, they do.
I think they still have a lot of good community sentiment.
Generally, that one is just a, you know, we all
We all make mistakes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We all have our ousies from time to time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It happened.
They had pretty good rapport with their playways, I think.
Yeah.
I think they've built up a
What about New Zealand, I think, right?
Yeah.
Small, well, perhaps not anymore, but small studio, smaller.
All of the game designers in the country
are concentrated into one building there in Auckland.
Yeah.
All right, we're entering the intermission once again here.
56% is actually a little bit high.
A little higher on the boss than we would like.
But I think it should be OK still.
Yeah.
They absolutely smoked the boss last time, right?
8 seconds to spare. Yeah, they're six healing again. So I think that that like that again the first deal with seven healed
And that's I think one of the reasons that it was super close
I think that yeah six healing it's really gonna be about making sure you can get all 30 Raiders
Wait to the finish line to that last right that's at about 9 30 mark
preserving battle res is a huge deal and a big resource that if it's possible to save them obviously you saved a lot of damage by
Keeping those battle res is do we have a target eye level by the end of the week?
Or has that been kind of thrown off with everything that's been going on 310 through 12?
So you can be in full 311 with just farming every item possible from M plus without spending any crests anywhere, right?
Yeah, but they're not doing that. They are not doing that
But I think by the time we're doing mythic progression, we're gonna be seeing like the mythic mains are probably gonna be on the order of yeah
Like 315. Oh, you think they're gonna be in a little better. I think by the time we're at the end of the week
Yeah, because I think about right like the mythic mains are gonna be the characters that got handed a bunch of hero three and hero
For loot from these past these last few bosses
Yeah, and by the end of the week, you know, they'll probably have spent their hero and myth crests on
Various upgrades and crafts right so I put the only myth piece that you can even get as a craft
Yeah, well until you start killing mythic boss
Well, okay, I guess I guess you're I was assuming that you were talking about like right as we're entering mythic
So yeah, they might be a little bit lower when they're killing mythic nexali, right?
sure but like by the end by you know sunday when they're progressing mythic twin fangs
i think it'll be age poorly 350 i think on sunday at 327 pm when they're pulling mythic
twin fangs for the for the fifth time they'll be at eye level 315.5 oh how many seconds you said
the time you didn't get well yeah 327 well it'll be the entire minute so entire minute okay yeah
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If you think about it, right?
The race to world first at this race,
it's going to be over.
It's going to take several more days, right?
Yeah.
Twitch sub, $5, something like that?
Yeah.
Inflation six.
Yeah.
It depends on what currency you're paying in and stuff.
But if you average that out, dodging ads for the next,
say, 10 days, paying $0.50 a day, that's going to work.
Cheaper than the Netflix subscription.
Well, almost anything is these days.
Dude, yeah.
They keep raising their prices.
$18.
raising the prices and not letting you share a password anymore.
But at least you get to watch, you know, one new season of your favorite show
every three years when they make six new episodes and then they cancel it.
And I'm like, why does nobody like this show?
It's like, well, your actors have aged seven years since the last time here.
You've changed who the Witcher is.
You've changed. Did they do that again? No, they do that once, though.
Oh, OK. Oh, my gosh.
I haven't mapple gifted a five pack of sub. Oh, wow.
Ace W's apple.
I haven't. I haven't.
Well started watching House of the Dragon yet because I kind of forgot everything that happened in the previous season
That's what I don't know if I care anymore. It's yeah been so long
I mean the problem is like game with owns wasn't good because it was set in
You know Westeros, right? It was good because it was like it was well-written
It had a telling
Yeah for a time it had like a compelling, you know kind of you don't always get what you deserve message
They're really cool and like
Not something you see a lot in fiction and I like House of the Dragon. I think it's good. Okay. Well, I'm not saying it's a bad
No, I just the gap between seasons for me is is
difficult
Yeah, the first few episodes, but I I fell off pretty quick towards the end of season one
I was like, what am I doing here? I like the little
97 kingdoms. I thought that was a really nice. Yes, very cute. Yeah season seasons of watch
It was like really light-hearted until the very last episode and then they're like, there is the violence
there's the violence from this universe. Yeah, it felt like, again, just like, you know, compelling
characters, behaving rationally in their, in their world. Very cool to see.
Well, I've been watching Silo. There's a new episode tonight. Oh, yeah. Silo, my experience
with that was I watched the first season and then I, this is going to go against things I've
said earlier, but then I read all three of the books. I'm reading the books right now.
Yeah
The audiobook so it doesn't count. I don't worry. I wasn't using my brain too much, but yeah, I was like, oh, this is really cool
That's gonna make you a worse world of work. I'll play if you're not careful. Oh, I'm actually I'm big on the audiobook meta
That's my not my favorite way to consume
You can do almost anything you watch the Chipotle. You can yeah, you can walk you can
Drive yeah, you can play video games all the playing video games
I usually like watching my YouTube videos instead of listening to my audiobooks
But if I'm in a particularly good book, I'll do that instead.
You'll audiobook and play World of Warcraft?
Yeah, it's not because I don't know if my brain could do that.
I like having multiple screens of visual stuff going on, so it's a big sacrifice to be doing
like audiobook instead of a video for me.
But if it's gross enough and something I will.
Something kind of my...
I can't even really drive when I'm listening to audiobooks.
I can barely drive without it.
Exactly.
Like if I'm driving and I don't have anything I'm listening to or doing, it's
It's like, gotta start swerving wildly
to make things interesting again,
otherwise I'm gonna get too bored.
Or listen to music and podcasts,
but I think audiobooks take more concentration.
Gotta make it interesting somehow.
Yeah, yeah.
Almost hit a pedestrian.
You know, spice things up a little bit.
What am I gonna do here?
Be alone with my thoughts?
That's not allowed.
Absolutely.
Why would you want to be alone with your friends?
I'm part of the reason I don't like shower.
I don't want the internet to consume.
Exactly.
I have a, actually, I'm gonna get flamed for this
and I don't care.
I have a phone mount in my shower.
Nice.
What?
I'm in my shop. That's good. That's on life changing. Yeah, it is life changing one of those
It's life changing. Yeah, I'll link you the I'll give you my Amazon affiliate link. Yeah, oh
Dratness is out here with the call the void compelling him to the insane stuff
All right, the call the void is coming for all attack right now as the heart is going to be exposed here momentarily
The boss is so unbelievably low. They're all 30 players alive. Yeah
This is looking great. We even have a battle res for one of these sacrificed players on these red circles over
You can see that does land potentially actually there's gonna be able to melt this boss
Gonna be a little bit closer than last split, but definitely still on the kill here
And there it is liquids third kill of her a cool attack. What's the loot?
What is the double-trick it double-trick it double-trick it double-trick it?
Wiss. Oh another very rare at least.
Little wiss. Wait, was it the very rare? Oh we got the AcureBane Reliquary, that's nice.
Okay that thing's good.
Necklace, yeah, and then we've got the uh the dagger, right? The very rare dagger is that?
What that one is, the Breath of Corruption?
I can't imagine anything else is valuable here. I think that the most valuable stuff for the
AcureBane Reliquary like you were calling out, and then the-
Just all those, all the Canterbinders are all, they're all good. I think that they're all nice upgrades.
I think it's that trinket. I think it's that little text heart. That thing is insane for melee.
It is, but you know all the casters are looking at a lot of these other like a lot of people are thinking about coining this boss.
But that means you get myth piece. I don't know.
Coining this boss on heroic?
No, well yeah, because you got a myth one out of six piece when you use the coin on heroic.
But even then, you know myth one out of six, hero four out of six, those are the same thing pretty much until you put the crest into it.
How many make the Crests can you farm this week?
So you can get 100 Crests per week, and then there's, I think, 50 total that you can get from one-time sources.
Yeah, 20 from the Crack and 30 from the Nemesis.
30 from the Nemesis on question mark difficulty, which, uh, it's not as hard of a Nemesis as, you know, Kavesa.
I'd say it's probably not quite as easy as Nolei as well as, but it's, uh, definitely very doable.
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The first couple of races I was here
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This is just like a one of the hoodie or one of those sweaters. Yeah, yeah, I don't have a match up, but
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Health mode self mode. Yeah. Yeah, I will say it's a good look the with the combination of like putting the
Caster headset like
You got to kind of look like a,
it's like wearing a baseball cap backwards.
I forgot that it was on my head like this,
but it's so much comfier if I put it,
if I put it down like this.
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Hey, we have a question for you.
How do you have Link's disco?
Do you just have a bunch of different realms?
It's a secret, he said.
It's a secret.
It's the same character.
It's the same character.
Oh!
Ew!
What does it mean?
So that means that they get less loot.
They're doing 29 man runs or something.
29 unsaved characters.
Yeah, you just have one arm's worry
to throw the rest of the raid on his back
and move the, you see,
carry them through a bunch of kills.
That's why I was saying when I saw Link's disco
multiple times, I'm like, mm.
Why is there, why are there multiple?
Yeah, it's one of those things that would be good to keep a secret if possible, but
they're, you can get added by the writer I have a summary of it anyway, so.
I mean, yeah.
Yeah.
The, the people that you want to keep a secret from are other Racial First Guilds who will
be able to immediately determine what you're doing.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Dude, it's one of those things that I remember whenever we were casting for Echo, this
happened a lot where they're like, shh, don't mention this thing on podcast.
And it's like, dude, the Racial First Guilds, they're, if they're looking at
this with their eyeballs with their eyes open they know what you're doing
can't be too careful that all's it was always something like kind of random you
remember when now there was like the sanctum of domination thing yeah we're
so honest right yes where he was like solo tanking off the other side yes
putting the rate in a 19 and one and then we just like weren't looking at it
for or they weren't looking at it yeah yeah I can't remember I think JB said
they really got don't talk about it and JB's like bro we can see that they're
19 people over here
Yeah, I remember it was what the undead cannibalizing the spirits on fire act as well. Oh get that mana back
We have another that was another secret another state secret
Both guilt we're doing I'm telling or yeah Jaina swapping to troll
Oh my god, you buff to fall off you I remember I remember yeah being told that like whenever like right as the
Entirely the method roster was like swapping to troll
They're like, yeah, don't talk about it.
And it's like, they're going to notice.
Bro, they can see that your entire rate is troll.
Like that was not even hard to decipher.
Forgive me.
They have eyes.
They're all going to install T Morph hide it.
And then somebody posted a reddit like hours later that
everybody swapped of the method roster swap to troll.
Like it wasn't even like hidden.
He was hidden for a time.
Yeah, as one of the one of the stronger race swaps
we've seen is like troll for Jaina which was fixed there's fixed pretty quick
but for a while it meant that the dot would fall off of you entirely when
otherwise it wouldn't that was on the I think it would fall off earlier or maybe
you get less stacked there was like one spot where you would get to drop it if
you were a troll and you wouldn't if you weren't oh yeah I remember it was
like something to do with the ice wall right yeah it was really big because
that was a nasty dot and trolls got like naturally shorter dots on them and
that was just enough to make it fall off there dobblin on KJ's off of
I think there's a couple of specs that need to be specific races on Razagith.
Like Void on stuff.
Razagith that helped, if you were a free-stair paladin you did not want to be a tauren.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
That was a...
Well, everybody else kind of wanted to be a tauren there, but yeah, free-stair paladins,
you wanted a little mobility if you could get your hands on it.
Someone in chat is bringing up the troll bait about wargons.
Oh yeah, warg... all fours.
Oh my god.
Yeah, well that was...
Were people actually switching to Oregon though to copy the shreds?
Not the other fields obviously, but just like the I don't think so because I I don't think anybody like knew what it was doing
Nice people said that it made the ball roll faster. So
Sticks or something like that when you contact it was like it was insane
Like I don't even understand how Scott came up with that bit. It's got that's such a Scott coded Bay
I feel like that's good hashtag all fours, right? Yeah
Did I just call us pedestrians guys? I'm one of you. I'm I'm also a pedestrian. Oh
My god, this tier two subs I got gifted resident pedestrian. Whoa. Oh, yeah
Don't say that often they tall they tall TV. Thank you for the gifted tier two subs. Oh my goodness. Yes
You've just provided five people with ad for reviewing the racial first. What other insane racials were there?
I think there was like a your tank wanted to be dracier for galley galley. Yep. Yeah
Yeah.
You're a pro warrior.
My pro warrior is still a little jacked there from that.
What was that?
Void Elf on Demencia was pretty good.
OK.
For what?
You could like Void Elf over the expanding rings in P3.
Yeah.
And also just you got some shadow resistance, which is good against all the damage on that fight.
Hmm.
Yeah.
I think also pocket picks.
It's not a ton of racials that are just like ridiculous.
Yeah.
I remember the first season.
No, it wasn't the first season of MBI.
It was one of the seasonal affixes where night elf
just like completely negated this.
What was it called?
Five Nelfthes.
Yeah, like prideful reaping you could.
I think it was reaping that I was thinking about.
Oh yeah.
It's like night elves are still.
Yeah, I'm into this part of the pride,
but I couldn't imagine Nelfthes.
There was the-
Yeah, you yelled at it.
Awakened season.
I remember when you had the four mini bosses as well.
That was a fun season.
Yeah, you could-
That was such a fun season.
You remember Freehold where you'd have your healer
just go and run laps around with all four of the minibosses
while the rest of your team killed the n-boss.
Was it the echo team that invented that?
I don't remember who invented it.
I think they perfected it.
I wouldn't be shocked if it was perplexed, but...
Oh, I think it was perplexed.
Somebody's gonna have like a vivid memory
of Zamok running around in the old Zamok.
Yeah, like do the figure eight around the...
Or the bubble boy strategy and Cathedral
and the legion season, you guys remember that?
It only worked once,
because then I think Blizzard nerfed it.
So one of the TVs took control undead, one of the ads,
and then it just kept bolstering, I think.
And then it just became this crazy pet, basically,
throughout the rest of the dungeon.
And they kept saying, bubble boy shot, bubble boy shot.
We didn't know what it meant, and then we saw it.
We're like, oh my god.
Yeah.
I mean, there was Warlock and Arcway as well with that
haste buff that was really, I mean, Warlock.
Yeah, some of the things you could do in Legion with spell
steals and stuff was, wow.
I miss cold with spells deal with that broken thing. I've ever seen also a demon ology warlock on the last boss of black
Recall'd where you would like double scale because you got a you got a health and damage increase
Oh, yeah, and your damage scaled with the health of your pets which scaled with your health
So you were just like absolutely murdering that last boss
Yeah, I feel like that there was so much fun stuff with that. No, there's that was awesome
Yeah, a lot more controlled these days the experience my experience at the start of Legion
I was playing arms warrior back then and the way arms warrior worked was you're in your major cool down
You could just press every button without a costing rage and you had
Focused rage and hamstring that were both off the global cooldown
So you needed to press both of those every single global along with your other button in order to
Because you still counted as spending the rage for the purposes of getting tactician procs
So you would just press your battle cry and then you would just like smash your face across the keyboard
Or if you had a bunch of macros that would like cast those buttons for you and
And uh, that was a little silly yeah Legion was a little silly
It's fun though
My favorite expansion
Yeah, I think it's a lot of people's yeah, I didn't realize it at the time that it was gonna be my favorite expansion
But looking back at my favorite expansion now
In fact, I think it took me to like shadow lanes before I realized that it was my favorite expansion
I had a lot of great raids as well. Yeah, I'd hold. Oh my goodness. What a bang a raid
They held my first raid ever.
Croesus, Star Auger, Elisand, Tychondrius.
And then of course Gul'dan, what a fight Gul'dan was.
Dude, that was a, that's one of the very rare fights where you had a capped number of ranged dp fights.
Yeah, it was a melee stack fight.
Yeah.
Because they couldn't get targeted by a bunch of the bad stuff.
Looks like the wipe's been called here yet, right away.
Maybe something went wrong there.
Oh, the lust.
They lusted early, maybe that was the problem.
because they had less stun pull.
I think that Nighthold has like,
my thoughts on Nighthold is like,
that has the best trinkets all the time.
Oh yeah, I was talking about this the other day,
but Convergence of Fates,
Draft of Souls, Whispers of the Dark,
Yeah, that trinket.
Some all timers.
Was it the on use thing, or was it the stats that it gave you that made them all time?
What was with the Dark?
Whispers of the Dark was like, you gained,
it was like ridiculous,
200% haste and CDR
CDR for seven seconds or no
It was like for 14 seconds and then you lost a hundred percent haste for seven seconds
And so it but it was a it was also on a point seven rppm
Okay, which is like like you would get one proc every two minutes or something like that
Wow, but the proc was like just ridiculously over budget
And so you would become just god mode for the 14 second window
And if you if you proc while you were inside your cooldowns it was just over you like rank one parsing and then you lost haste
haste that you already had?
Yep.
Or you were like really slow?
Yep.
You were like 0% haste.
It was terrible.
That trinket, you're actually negative haste, funnily enough.
So as long as you were timing with your burst window, then
well, yeah.
It procted a good time.
Yeah.
The proc was the haste buff.
But it was so over budget.
Exactly.
That it was worth it.
It was fun because it was imbalanced, right?
It wasn't fun because it was a balanced trinket.
It was fun because it was so over budget
that you didn't care that the downside is
like insanely high variable 0.7 or PPM trinket.
And then there was convergence of fate
in draft of souls, which are-
Yeah, so convergence of fates gave you
cooldown reduction on your major cooldown.
And it was like a, it was somewhat variable as well.
It was like you'd have a proc chance
to give you five seconds off of it.
And that was happening multiple times per minute.
So you would just be hitting your cooldown
like way more often than pretty reliably getting it,
you know, maybe 30% faster or something like that.
And then draft of souls, which was an all-timer.
that was a melee one.
You would just, you'd press it
and you'd like root yourself.
You'd turn big and purple and you'd be going
and you'd be shooting all these purple bolts
at the target area.
It's like the precursor to Boone of the Ascended,
except draft actually scaled with your offensive CD.
So if you pressed it while you pressed it off the CD.
It scaled with any damage multipliers you had.
It scaled with an wholly DK mastery.
It scaled with arms warrior and fury warrior mastery.
I just remember recklessness got pressed
and then you pressed the draft
and you just went to the moon as fury warrior.
Yeah, as a Fury Warrior, I saw her play in Fury Warrior on Gul'dan, and you'd like charge
in, you'd hit recklessness, you'd get the full rage, she'd proc your like frothing berserker
as well and get a damage bonus from that.
And then all of that would work on your draft of souls along with your enrage damage bonus.
And you were draft of soulsing when the boss would try and knock you back, and draft
of souls gave you a knockback immune too.
So you would just be, if the first one targeted you, you wouldn't have to get
knocked back too.
It was the absolute joy.
They did not try to balance those trinkets and instead they went with the opposite
approach where if everybody has an OP trinket that's great you don't you don't
complain about it either yeah there's also the chrono macanomaly trinket that
gave like an insane amount of haste yeah season I don't remember the name of it
look like a stopwatch it's all I remember and there were M plus trinkets
they were pretty OP as well that you can get back then to some of the like
memento of anger Bota that would give you stats when people died as well that
was like a hidden effect those are those monitoring yeah the muscles drink it
I miss the Horn of Valor
That thing was OP in in
In real nightmare, then they decided that that thing no longer was gonna be good
No, it's like a minute 30
But I remember like the notable thing about it was the resources to use 20 players with Horn of Valor to be able to like cheese
Ilganoff's burn phase. Yeah, and they won face
So then they nerf the Horn of Valor and they like I think they also changed how the Ilganoff burn even worked because of that
And then of course unstable arcana crystal. You had to get from a world boss with a gym
I was up once every two months with her gym. Please call IDD
That that drink it was just
Crit mastery hasten versatility
It was stupid because it was
660 item level, but it was better than 710 item level trinkets for pretty much everybody. It was so over budget. Yeah
You'd see somebody rocking up with a 685 Titan Forge version of it and you're like I hate you
I remember in season one of Legion as well, there was like a world quest trinket that was insanely broken, the Devil's Sword Shock Baton.
Oh yeah, the Shock Baton!
Yeah, the Devil's Sword Shock Baton, and I just remember looking at somebody who had like a 685 Titan Force Devil's Sword Shock Baton,
it's like, bro, this guy is playing a different game than me, he just rolled gigabits off a world quest.
That was a good time.
time. That expansion was unbelievably broken. I've never been more painfully addicted to
World of Warcraft than that expansion. I played so many hours. That was ridiculous.
I missed it. I missed off souls. I missed her.
Yep. I want them... They haven't brought it back because of war reasons, right?
What, ma? Yeah. I think that they don't... I think they said on the record that they
don't want a dungeon that is that short because... Really?
Yeah, so there's like this thing with dungeons where people have a tendency to try to do the shortest dungeon all the time, and they don't want like...
They make it all short.
At 24 minutes, it's like A typically short, right? Like that's the shortest dungeon they've ever made, and I think that they've set on the record that they don't want to make a dungeon that short ever again.
Interesting.
I wouldn't be shocked if that's also the reason that they don't bring it back is because they don't like the concept of what it means to have a dungeon that short.
Yeah, it's tough because like when Ma's Souls was current, at least in the start of Legion, that was like the only dungeon everybody wanted to run, right?
right because it was the fast way the most dungeons for our you could do was
mobsles plus two spam in BFA freehold did the same thing yeah people only ran
freehold over and over and over again Heartland's loaded dice were back oh
that was a good trick it to you but yeah since then they've been tried to
average everything basically 30 minutes yeah just nice I think because you
don't want there to be outliers on either side right if there's a dungeon
that's way shorter than all the others then people spam it and if there's
dungeon is way longer than all the others you just it feels like such a chore
every time you have to go there right Legion Legion had this thing where there
was Archway and halls of valor which are both 45 minutes and then you have ma
souls which is conversing 24 minutes and so I think that there was like insane
imbalance I think you can in theory bring back ma today with like most of
the dungeons being another boat in there and you know add some time to it
that way yeah but yeah they they did in the middle of the expansion they
added extra artifact power from the longer dungeons and they made ma give
less to try and sort of balance it so that you liked doing all of them equally.
You stopped farming already.
Like after the first season.
Yeah, that was the problem.
It was a bit late.
But if that had been in at the start, then maybe.
They probably needed to like give dramatically less AP from a plus two and more from a
plus ten.
I actually remember the real hack wasn't even farming maw.
The real hack was farming quarter of stars because quarter of stars had like two piece
set bonuses on like hands and braces or something.
That's right.
There was like the strand of the stars.
Oh, that was the Arcway one, the Strayon of the Stars was like the Arcway one with the Trinket
You're thinking of like the Leather 2 set right now?
I was thinking of the Leather 2 set that gave you a mastery bonus and that thing was like ridiculous
And so there was actually a lot of groups that just instead of farming Maul which was the shortest dungeon
They would farm Port of Stars which was first off I think a little bit easier and secondly
Have insane high rolls if you got like Titan Port of the Leather 2 set
Yeah, those were some good dungeons
You guys played Legion Revix at all?
I played a lot of Legionary, like yeah. Got all the cosmetics. Remixes just don't do it for me
Yeah, I kind of feel the same way but the time I started playing it also everything was every everybody was really overpowered
So whenever I would join a group or something. I got told to stand at the beginning and just wait there
It just doesn't feel like I mean it's just not fun anymore. Yeah, it's like I already played it
I would rather progress through it the original way
I'd rather play Legion Classic at that point. It was just fun to be able to like solo everything
You just go in and like you just get upgrades from anything you do and
You know kind of like ARPG style blast. I think that's what it I think that's what it was for me
It's like it's just felt like an ARPG. Yeah, like like I was playing some version of World of Warcraft
I just had so much nostalgia for Legion that I was I was down to go do that
yeah
get to read redo like the raids even though you're kind of
Nuking them even you know even on the first day
Like mythic emerald nightmare mythic emerald nightmare day the first day was like a little tough
But then everything after that was yeah, pretty you could join these groups that were super overpowered for them. I
got my
Mount from I don't think it was night hold. It was the
Like oh my gosh, I was pretty good was called
I don't know I got a mouth that I was wanting from Legion that I didn't get and then I dipped. Yeah, that's fair
It's like the dream
Something dream we've I don't know. Hmm. Yeah, bird that was iridescent looking
Ooh, wait for somebody to chat to tell me what it is the dream we've something dream we bird that was iridescent
Yeah.
That's the information to go off of.
Someone will get it. I'm telling you. Just watch. Watch chat.
The bird.
The bird, yeah.
See? Violet's bowing.
There it is.
Oh, the, uh, the AOTC one from...
Yes. Yeah, yeah. AOTC.
That was the Argus AOTC one.
The Argus AOTC one, yeah.
Yeah.
That wasn't nice.
Cause I didn't do Argus.
I see, yeah.
Argus...
Argus mythic was, uh...
Argus heroic is the freest heroic boss of all time.
I know. That's why I was so stupid that I didn't get it.
Yeah, but then Argus Mythic was so cool because, oh man, just seeing like the red side spawn.
I think that that is the most like, like gamer adrenaline I've ever hit is like killing Mythic Argus.
It was something about that fight was it had really good tension at the end of the boss for pretty much everybody who ever killed it.
Like you were never just like slamming the DPS check. It was always like, the boss is enraged, it's just your tank.
It's at zero point.
Reminds me of sludge fist, right? Everybody who's killed sludge fist killed it when it was like slamming into that last wall
And you're just like barely getting over the enrage. Obviously not everybody
But most people got that experience on that boss, which was really awesome. Yeah like that
Very fun way to kill a boss. Stupid thing about Argus though. You wanted like 10 immunities on that fight
Yeah, and you were the pre-immunes that so
So, a little history lesson here, in Tumasargeras, there was a bunch of soaks that you could immune
profitably and trivialize some fights.
So after that Blizzard was like, oh, let's make these mechanics that you can't immune.
But what you could do is you could immune before the mechanic came out, and then if
it would have targeted you, it doesn't happen.
So then on Argus, there was these chains that would come out that you'd break them
and it would do huge raid damage.
But if you were immune when they went out and it tried to target you, it would
just remove one from the fight.
So you'd have your DKs, and if your DKs AMS at the proper times, they get AMS like 1,
2, and 4 of these casts.
You could cloak like 1 and 4 as well.
Yeah.
So you could just get a pull where you just got like none, or you get a pull where they
all go on people who don't have amnesia, and it was like 20 times harder.
Yeah.
And I think that everybody who added immunity pressed it on like the fourth set.
And it was like, it was very frequent that you had basically just like zero chains
going out.
All right.
Last burn here on Heracle of Tech.
We've already got five dead this time, but the burn did start at 10%.
It looks dead.
low as long as our top DPS players are able to stay alive here yeah this boss
is gonna go down let's take a look at the loot from this one. Trinket?
We got here. Reliquary? Yeah another Reliquary. Looks like it's other just
other cantrip effect. Not bad? Yeah not bad at all yeah I mean liquid from a
boss that has been there was posing a bunch of challenges for them having
a pretty good morning all things considered trying to farm the oolotex was that the fourth kill?
No. I believe that was the fourth kill. I think there's a one shot in this group as well.
We're starting to get the the wheels nice and oiled here. Everything going smoothly.
A bunch more of these though still to do of course. Yep. Do we think with how well this
is going there's room for helpers? No. I feel like the damage check on this fight is like
incredibly tight and you have to basically have everybody alive throughout the entirety of the
That's like while they did have like five people dead there. They were 30 players alive for 98% of the boss
Yeah, to the point where that allowed them to even have enough DPS to be able to meet the check
I think that like maybe next reset there is the possibility of
Ulitec being done with helpers, but I just don't think with the current amount of gear that people have
It like if it could be done with helpers it'd be done with like five helpers
And at that point you would rather just run a 30 player liquid split
You're not you're gonna get a little bit additional gear out of it
But if it costs you a ton of wipes or also like since he it's just not that worth
What are you accomplishing with the players that aren't in that split then that you you know the raiders that then are not in as
You know do they go what do an M?
Blusky can you get it some value out of that?
I mean I guess maybe but it's pretty small and you don't know how long you're gonna have before you're needed
What does the what is the rest of the week look like then just so this after the ula-tex are done?
Maybe we could go Mythic. Maybe we could do Mythic Nimbresa and see what that is like and see if that's something that Liquid will be able to do a few Mythic splits of.
We have seen a bit of Nimbresa.
Yeah, the other option is to go in and do some, we could do some mythic plus and
gear up mains that way, you know, there are upgrades from M plus, but I think it,
I think it would probably be more likely that after all the heroic
Google texture done, if there's not any more characters that need to do heroic,
like first bosses of venomous abyss, which I don't think there are,
then it could be time to go into mythic venomous abyss.
Which could be that could that could be today. I think I think they probably need to do about 10 more heroic
Ula-Tex. Yeah, so that could take anywhere from, you know, three hours to six depending on how many wipes are involved.
I don't think there'll be any detrimental wipes. Yeah, I mean, it's a hard fight of the day.
Two poles, two poles. Exactly. Yeah. And they are, they're getting better every pull, right?
like right, you know the muscle memory is improving as long as they've designed
the splits well and the characters are all about as strong then I think it should
be all good it should be pretty smooth sailing from here all right well between
poles here we are gonna head to a monster energy listen it
I think we should only seven heal personally if you feel like you're like basically if you
look at the six heel comp and you're like, I think it should be a seven heel.
But if you don't look at it like that and you're like, this will probably work, say
you want to say something good because I think it's less about like, here's my point.
The like wombo combo deaths, like when people are dying during a lot of raid damage, I think
there's a very high chance that those deaths happen with seven or six healers specifically.
It's just so much damage at once that it's more likely someone not having a personal or something that it is like raw throughput, honestly
It's it's after the wombo combo where it's a throughput thing. I
Think this group is fine for six
My name is jeeps lava Sam smacked
There gonna be yeah, yeah, yeah, no you're right. You're gonna be a tuning nuke today think about it
Yeah, yeah
Well, they're changing today would be it would be announced for Tuesday, right?
Yep. That's right.
But I mean, that's when basically when we start doing mythic.
So it's basically what the hell wrong?
We got mythic split.
So they made that in a rope.
Well, our official hierarchy.
Artificial hierarchy.
Fucking just fucking change everything.
Yeah, yeah.
Hello, big.
Everyone run to the red.
Let's go.
Let's go.
Let's go.
I'm flying in now people there and I'm full flying from so many people are sitting up
great sometimes I slammed a mute real quick but here's the one thing that I'm going through
in my head like I feel like I could be right I feel like your moonkin is your druid buff
on this fight I think like moonkin is the one thing about we haven't talked about a lot
of mythic or maybe you guys need to be reminded is that every time eggs are out they need
to be, there's a 5 million shield on all of them that needs to be broken before you can pick them up.
I feel like Moonken, and Moonken can use their CDs on that in P1 and still have their shit up for
the burn because they have variable cooldowns. Like I feel like you're at least playing one of those,
not to mention last phase eggs and stuff like, I feel like.
Is that better than Destro Block 30s?
For killing an entire room.
Bro, I can't do that.
Destro kills one, right?
Yeah, one.
Well, how much HP are they going to have?
I guess you could assign split cooldowns in the last phase and have each Deathstroke kill
a neck.
I'm just feeling like, like Nudikin seems like such a safe bet, but I don't know if you
play Munkin this week.
And my thing that's bothering me is like, if Scott isn't going to be playing Guardian
on this, then like, you would want to have him, you'd want to have the Munkin in on
week one to get gear, and you would want to have the non-Guardian in on week one
to get gear.
But I don't know if that makes sense for Coyle altar.
That's what's bothering.
No, I think, I think we'd get his trash on Coyle altar.
So what do you even, you know what I'm saying, like you don't even get a good coin on Reclare or a good vault.
They don't need to be getting me for a year, yes. They're just going to be a hero, one king.
You just get the other level of people a year.
And then do you not get Scott?
Just not the Guardian.
But then Scott's not getting a vault on the character, he's playing it.
Does Scott like kill early bosses on Naun and Guardian or something?
Yeah, he just gets a coin.
make good tank on the good boss if I have to re-kill and go on this.
Another thing too, I don't think, I don't know if you play Shatterpreast week one
and I think you play Shatterpreast on this boss potentially for last phase.
Also Dev seems like insane for this boss, like maybe like all should be the best damage during
the burn of any class right but like the besides maybe warrior but like I feel like Dev actually
does the fight like I think this the progression on this boss you're going to be fighting a lot
between like what is killing the boss's HP and what is like able to make you
consistently progress like if you just go triple warrior quadruple warrior off the
bat to kill the boss you're just like not gonna kill eggs and P1 you're not
gonna kill eggs and P2 you're not gonna kill the ads in the last phase like I
think it's like a you have to find a balance and I think that's gonna be like
dot classes that are just not good for the rest of the raid basically the
other hard bosses yeah balance as well
I'm gonna get chops and then if we're playing a shadow priest would you want to play a healer priest I?
Guess we don't know enough about disc yet cuz like yeah, yeah, I don't know and then that's another week one week
Too weird that it's just strange man. I
Think I mean what they're doing pre-tier is that like you're you're weak to care that doesn't do my think would still be similar gear
To your week one character
Everything everyone shut up shut up. I'm getting word that the TL streams on me
Nice.
Oh, that's good.
Perfect.
That's sick.
Nice.
Targeted.
you
you
I didn't mean to ping you, you got me.
Let's get mad when we get pinged.
I'd turn off ping on players bro. Best decision ever.
You can't ping players.
Yep. I can only ping ground.
That's probably good.
Can't ping units or players just ground.
I heard people gonna ping me when I lost.
Might lose your left click doing that, watch out.
Alright. Oh what the fuck.
Oh, it's because I didn't...
Oh, uh...
All good.
I was wondering why the fucking notebook camera was actually like stunned.
A little warm.
Yeah.
I just put on a hoodie.
Really?
I'm going to put on a hoodie too.
I'm going to black it.
The king of the world.
Can you just buy it?
It's the hottest spot.
Can't take off.
Yeah, you're a spot.
Is it like the room still feels cold for you saying?
I'm feeling great right now.
Yeah, well like if you didn't have the blanket you would be fine like when I left out my
left arm I gave blasted I called there.
Can you tell us some ancient wisdoms?
It looks like there's nothing bro, there's literally nothing on this fucking bullscrew.
This bullscrew about in the tech is a banding, yeah, I don't know, yeah, something like
I'm in the low off position.
I feel like I control all of you.
Someone by Nex Valley, the sole quarrelor.
You guys, Pecker, getting excited for this?
Yeah.
What did you just say, KHT?
I don't get it.
My Pecker is excited.
Respect to your Pecker.
I just got back and knocked out the guy that had cons on.
It's my bird at home.
My mom sent me a map, what did you guys think it was?
Knocked him the fuck out.
Respect.
Respect, bro.
Apparently it was Coy that told him to stream it.
You think I could leave that, by the way?
Keep muted, buddy.
We just can't mute now.
Fuck it.
Just fucking stream everything.
Yeah, affects it eventually, but yeah.
I caught that.
They caught me and you're talking about Bruno's there as well, right?
No, I guess we're there.
Watch Waves.
So we did the, we did the fake comps on Brewer, we were unmuted.
Yeah.
Oh shit.
You think they caught us talking about Flyer Mage right now?
Oh wow.
Yeah, you know the name.
I mean, Brookes has unmuted for a few years.
I'd be nice.
I have unmuted just for personal reasons.
So also last pull like the thing that sort to work perfectly right seems like it looked
like it did all the groups seemed like they made sense.
I mean it be as Jesus it be as Jesus get your eggs.
There's two actually I said by the way like every single time these eggs spawn relative
to the boss you should be prepositioned in the same place.
And then we can use those positions based off logs and when we do mythic you can
just be assigned the same spot so no relearn.
know. My position is where the tail is.
I'm hard to know where to go. I was told I'm muted.
You guys want to do a learning, so it's responding here. You guys want to do a learning pull in
the last phase and soak the last three things and just spread out.
But that's what I'm not happy.
No.
Hot.
Hot.
I'm going to full damage.
No heals.
Friends would have been nice at home.
Just buy a big rig.
I think I'll go for the big rigs.
Thank you Alienware.
Thank you Alienware.
You know we're allowed to take big rigs on them this time.
You gotta give them out.
Okay.
Yeah bro, how about you fucking cast, buddy?
So the things will be a little desynced, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm trying to figure out which side I'll get it first so we can get it rolling.
Actually maybe that's not bad because like we can just start.
Okay, healer stuff's gonna be like a little early this pull I think.
the normal. Oh, actually one is extremely delayed. Yeah. Okay. Shack and lip break.
You guys are personally in three, two, one now. Impact and wall life break. And then
after this it's going to be a Zevi single in two seconds. Go now.
I am very sad right now by the way that's fine okay it's okay splunk it and
saying yeah but it's gonna put my deep breath at all everyone everyone dunk your
shit
Yeah, maybe one of us in the mid and rescue me.
Okay.
One up, I can group.
That's fine.
Thank you.
So if we keep those hats up for fun along the back.
It's actually a bad phone over there, so.
Okay, sorry.
Thank you.
Got some pods.
thoughts yeah
intense
epic move
Scott can innovate to
sorry
thank you man
I can't split them bro here you go
I need it more than I do good luck
Yeah.
I remember still cleaves and in common.
Yep.
Retard.
We got a lot of the lock in group.
out
we scale and execute
okay
pick up your eggs
listen to calls
speak about rallying
I'm using rally
no
orange
okay and rally is falling
like blue
blue guys
egg rice
I didn't even see that guy's name please.
Watch HP, last hit.
Nice. Rebuff him.
We have to run across so crazy.
Yeah, it's very RNG in this face.
Definitely a lock-in moment.
Hey, Egg's here.
Really far right egg. It's melee are doing it anyway doesn't matter
Maly make sure you kill that egg red soaks in eight seconds melee you have to already be back in melee in five
So make sure you have killed that thing
Good everyone get yours look at your groups look at your groups look at your groups
It's in in your text right now. There you go. Make sure you're in your soaks
New eggs are spawning make sure you don't get hit by the eggs
Okay, range for swapping to eggs now, need Jesus on eggs here. Literally full hit eggs
whole time. Waves are in six seconds, everyone spread in three, two now spread out. Spreads
are going off in three, two, one, finish eggs now. Finish eggs on the right need help. Waves
going off, everyone watch waves. Everyone watch waves, finish that right egg, need Jesus
on the right egg. Watch waves, watch waves, watch waves. Watch waves from the back.
waves from the back. Good job. Okay. And the platform's blowing up in five, four, three,
two, one. Now, new positions. New eggs are spawning. This is just ranged left and back.
Melee are close. Next red soaks are in 20. Wombo combo will be after this. Who is rounding
the Wombo combo? Good. And then everyone else is saving for later.
Thank you.
Can you give me a skyline?
Hey Red Soaks are in 5.
Make sure you're in your groups.
Be pre in them.
Do not miss a tick.
Good. Hit the eggs.
Nice. Waves now. Dodge waves range.
It's going to be middle left, middle left.
Stay together. You can't miss a tick.
Yagi.
Good. And we're spreading in 30.
Watch right from the back and spread and big a we three to empty the bag
Nice and resin nice good the monocle waves rebound. Yeah
Red soap position now
This is the last one. We actually do have the fight and this is a we're giga killing Shriekers when these eggs spawn
Getting your soaks
Healers the next like 30 seconds is whatever is left
watch range watch range good easy I'd rally whenever you want to hit the egg
and then after that everyone's killing shriekers we're spreading in four three
two spread now and now watch HP here this is giga
watch was watch waves finish the shriekers it's from the back guys kill
All the shriekers kick, kick, kick, kick, kick.
Nice.
And watch waves from back, Maley.
Nice.
Finish the shriekers now.
On the boss platform below, who can AMZ this?
All the other AMZs.
This is Eshine.
Everyone in.
It's going off in three, two, one, now.
Stay in it for the dots.
Five more seconds of the dots, and then we're home free.
This is definitely not free, by the way.
We need to lock in.
Hey, Red Soaks here are getting the outside.
You guys are suiciding.
All right, that was our monster energy listening, and we are back for the end of another heroic
Ulitech kill. This time around, I'm still Dratnos, but this time joined by Jet and Atlas.
Hello.
Two old dogs.
Hello.
Still being taught some new tricks, though.
Yep.
And still young bucks at heart.
That's right.
The spirit of youth lives within me forever.
Yeah.
Or at least for another, you know, five to ten years.
Yeah, it's slowly fading. It's like a light at the end of the tunnel that you
slowly see collapsing, but it's shining bright for the time being.
Speaking of shining bright, how do we like the five different firebrats coming out of
ULTEC that are also coming right from everyone's face?
Yeah, the laser.
Yeah, absolutely very cool, but wow with a flashbang.
You gotta angle your camera so that you can still see your feet as well.
I think someone at Blizzard is a Godzilla fan because it reminds me of King Ghidorah
from Godzilla, the five-edit dragon with the big wings, you know?
Get some insanely cool visual.
He, the Ghidoris three-headed, but you know, same vibe.
All right, we got a voracious heart dropping this time.
Then a couple of weapons as well.
Oh, we got a plate cantrip.
Yeah.
That's a big one.
A couple of them.
We got the pants.
We got two chest pieces.
Watching these runs and seeing what's been dropping
specifically on heroic when the plate classes
seem to be just going bonkers at this entire rate.
Every single one of these heroic olitex
that they've been killing has had basically
almost all the things that they would want to drop off.
They're getting the cantrip pants,
they're getting the trinket to drop,
they're missing the neck, which is a little unfortunate.
We've seen a couple of them,
but not very many of the, yeah,
the in-game battle areas.
Unnormal, I think, right?
We saw like a normal kill that had like three necks
or something like that.
Yeah, which is kind of like,
it's like you don't want a chant track like that.
You want that to be on the hero track for sure.
You know, I had a question yesterday
because I noticed that there was,
in one of our raid yesterday,
we saw a ring also drop
with the same effect as the neck.
Do those stack, do you know?
The poison reduction thing?
Yeah.
It's not against most mechanics. It's like the standing in the puddles type thing and like the outdoor world poison
It's not not something that I think you need to like cap your poison resistance like it's 2005
Yeah, but yeah that effect it's not that that's not the main reason those ones are good though, right?
It's like it's like the other effects on them like the the stat proc on the here been reliquary is the really valuable one
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getting waxed.
I'm not sure which casters yet, but I know some people have opted out.
I'm willing to game.
I'm an anti-waxer.
You're an anti-waxer?
Okay.
So I don't really want to partake of that one, but you know, the painting stuff
was fun yesterday, the Bob Ross challenge.
Yeah.
do is with the Bob Ross. Yeah, yeah. I'll at least do it. We'll see if their casters are
down. We're at the hopeful fire dub blindfold cooking challenge right now, right? Yeah, we're
approaching that one. So at $10,000 total raised, we'll have hopeful and fired up,
reprise the viral cooking sensation that we got last race. I'd like to see what they actually
cooked this time. I feel like the pancake was a nice intro, you know, for them to get
to cook something, but let's get something really complicated for them to do this time.
maybe whip up one of those like sauces kind.
It should be like a, you know, like a Great British Bake Off.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, good thing.
You know, nice little challenge.
You get, you know, Paul Hollywood up there judging everyone.
That would be pretty cool.
Yeah, also in addition to the the milestones that we're working towards,
there are some incentives.
So you donate $30 or more.
You can get your transmog, pet or house
shown and discussed on stream. Great time to do that is before we get into
Mythic. There's lots of opportunities now. I'm not gonna say it's
not thrilling to watch THD log on to his 12th warlock and look at his
character screen and wait for the raid to form, but this could be a
good time to take a look at some pets, some transmogs, and some houses if
you're feeling charitably inclined. $250 as well if you got the big bucks. We
will spin the Wheel of Chaos once more. Lots of powerful options on there.
There's a good shipper as well push-ups is one of the things that's on there
I know you guys are both gym enthusiasts, so yeah push up off a bit out of the push-up game though
Well, yeah, yeah, you're at the point now where you pushed down the earth
Yeah
I just become sedentary yeah exercise an afterthought that's right
It's hard to find the time to do anything other than eat sleep raid and cast
I've seen a lot of transmogs and pets, but I haven't seen any houses. It's hard. It's hard to you know get a good
Submission of a house right it's a lot higher effort to take some nice pictures. Yeah, well markets tough. It is everybody's renting nowadays
That's true. I'm also curious how much the community as whole
Kind of interacts with housing. Yeah point, you know at least for me personally. I thought it was super cool
When it first came out, I went and made a little jump puzzle.
You know, I was really into it.
I tested it in the puzzles.
Yeah.
It was, it was, it was a good one, right?
Yeah.
It was good.
Yeah.
It's not bad, but I just fell off with the housing.
I haven't felt compelled to ever.
Well, because there's not as much like seasonality to it, right?
So like, oh, there's new decor, but like the fundamental
experience is the same forever.
Yeah.
Yeah.
For me, I tried to turn the exterior of my house
into like a dragon, but that was like, you know, you,
you see people get like really creative with their houses
and like doing all sort of crazy stuff.
And I don't really have the patience to, you know, like,
rotate a piece of decor and like, yeah, clip it into a, you know,
another thing a certain way to, and, you know, I was like, whatever.
I think my house right now is like the exterior is just like a house
floating on a rock with a dragon head coming out of the top.
And that's really like the most I did before I gave up.
Yeah, it's hard with the, the limit to how many you could do
in the exterior as well, right?
It's like, it's so restrictive.
But yeah, I've been having fun with it.
I've made like the exterior of mine,
got a decent amount of decoration down,
but then they came out with the new house sizes this time around.
So I kind of want to tear it all down
and use one of the large house settings now.
I saw that you can like share blueprints now, right?
Yeah, that's going to be big for making it a lot easier
to kind of save your progress in a blueprint
and then tear it all down and import from people.
Yeah, hire a contractor.
Yeah.
Yeah, and I think it's new.
It's new as of this patch, but I'm sure there will be a nice, you know, community
exchange of blueprints that you can pick ones up from.
So make it a little bit less intimidating to get started.
Whatever you do, do not visit hopefuls house.
If anybody has access to that thing.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
What a waste of time.
That guy made just in insanely long hallway.
It's just one straight line from the entrance all the way to the back.
And it's a maze that just loops like kind of in a serpentine pattern.
And you keep going and you keep going and you keep going.
like five minutes later, you're like, okay, what's at the end of this?
And it's just like a room that basically says, congrats on wasting your time.
Yeah.
I think last race, we went around the liquid neighborhood and, uh,
and went into a bunch of different houses.
I don't know if you've seen like Seng's house.
It's, uh, so impressive.
Seng's is insane.
They're shacks even.
Shacks are one of the coolest houses ever.
He put a lot of time and effort into that thing.
Yeah, it's, uh, very cool.
Maybe we can reprise that.
Maybe not this race, cause I bet a lot of them are the same as last
race, but you know, in the future, what we could see if the updates
have been made and people have added new stuff to them.
Especially once they've got some time in the off season
to play around with the blueprints.
Because there's some people that, you know,
the WoW season's over, then boss dies.
And they're like logging out, and they're logging in for raid.
And then they're staying logged out
and playing like whatever other game they're pro in,
with Brawl Hollow, or Path of Exile, or Old School
RuneScape, whatever the case may be.
Lost Ark, THD was in too for a while, right?
They've all got everybody everybody's great. Wow.
But most people in liquid are also great at least one other game.
And often the offseason will be filled with that for them.
But for some people, you know, the wow, they'll stay logged in.
They'll do M plus, sometimes very competitively, sometimes in the MDI even.
Yeah, we got a lot of TFT heads in the guild.
Oh, yeah, TFT. That's a big one.
Yeah, Nick, Zevi and Scott pretty frequently hop on every single new set of TFT.
Nick's frequently in masters or higher.
It's pretty unfortunate because the last, like, two TFT sets have coincided with a wow
patch, which always sucks compared to when it's, like, mid-patch that it comes out.
Well, not for nothing. The last set sucked, so not much to be missed in that regard.
The one before, at least, was in a pretty dead time, so I'll hold a grind out a bunch.
Are you a TFT head as well, Alice?
I like playing every now and then when it catches my attention.
Like, if there's nothing else to do.
Yeah, but like, you know what I mean? I wouldn't say I'm a TFT head.
If I see a Alice turn on a stream and discord, it's TFD. I did usually TFD, you know
I'll play like a couple games a night
What's your favorite set?
The numbers are hard because see I'm not enough of a TF not enough of a TFD
But it was like two or three sets ago. Lisa was a legendary five cost to have the family set
Okay, yeah, Vanderbilt. Yeah, there's a set 16. I think that one was that one's probably my favorite
I know that's a hot take like not like that was a lot of fast nine comps
It was a lot of
Stale yeah for sure, but I found a lot of amusement out of that one. So yeah, whatever they do the ones that are like
Rude terror based right where it's like the default and that one that was like the arcane one as well
Where it was right when our game came out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good time
Yeah, I basically just used tfd as like a way to wind down before I go to bed
And then some days I haven't had enough struggle, you know, right?
So like you one game up and I know I'm gonna get pissed
And then I choose willingly to play a comp that I know is contested and I put myself in a position where I just get furious
And I go to bed mad and that's just the way I drive myself for the next day
Yeah, you know I use I use the anger to fuel my my next day of productivity
Use the rage to become a corporate weapon the next day
Honestly sometimes too I just feel evil like I will just completely sell my entire board and fully contest someone else's comp
Even though they have like two augments tailored for it and one of them is a champion augment
And I'll just roll down all my gold and steal all their champions before they can hit
Just for the sake of like pure grief, you know, yeah, you just pick somebody you're like today you are my enemy
Yeah, I'm going eighth, but I'm taking you with me
Is it at least like somebody who provoked you in some way like somebody you absolutely not period no
You just pick somebody randomly and I wanted even yeah, okay?
Well, I see I didn't I knew there was something happening to me sometime in my lobbies
But I couldn't explain like what is the type of person that is doing this to me like what what have I done to anger you?
And it turns out just this could just happen. No just run into an app
I'm rolling down 60 gold for fun at a time where I have no need to and I'm buying all your champs, and I'm not even playing
That is a powerful stratagem
Yeah, it's usually the cash out comps, you know. Oh, yeah, I'm doing a cash out comp
I'm selling my whole board. It is fun to contest like to grief the people on whatever fortune comp that they're on this time around. Yeah
Yeah
Yeah, he's fun. Yeah a ram even oh a lot of air and heads with the guild
Yeah, ARAM's a nice one because it's like so low commitment easy to just fire one up
And they really revamped it so it's gotten crazy. It's like
Yeah, they've got augments in there now as well. Oh, it was super super super fun time
Yeah
Absolutely one of one of the best ways to spend some time some free time between the tier
Of course when you're within the tier not often quite as much free time
You see the ARAM sort of tone down a bit even when somebody's like not actively doing something
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All right, so I've got some good news and bad news. I'll start with the bad news. It does look like normal
Very normal is where we are at
Once again, we're back into splits and I want to help. I was supposed to sign up for one of yours
But it's during your other groups that I can actually sign up for no
I'm on this casting shift and the next casting shift in Atlas tree my my win Walker monkeys was waiting to help
Yeah, I mean there's a good chance it'll be over by then
How many we have at five all that's done right or four at least five. Yeah, five or six maybe okay
So yeah, taking a little bit of a normal break. It looks like normal coiled altar
into ool attack is gonna be the
order of business here and they've split into helpers as well. It looks like 10
Raiders, 20 helpers is the ratio here. So that means they're able to run three of
these simultaneously. Yeah it's hard to stay engaged when we go from heroic
Ulotec, fun, and boss. We're figuring things out. It's exciting. It's tightly
tuned. People are invested and then we're back into normal. But it's a
Productive necessity, you know, we're here. We're still hype. Yeah, this boss has big ticket items and everybody's super excited about the possibilities of what could drop
Strength and adjuvant gets on the table yet again. I think that's the main thing is
Zulzhansky team technique from this boss and then
Omni tokens potentially from Ulotec to make the splits stronger right? Yeah to make heroic Ulotec stronger
We get a bunch of Omni tokens off of these splits and that makes a bunch of the split characters
into two-piece or four-piece havers and that makes the next set of heroic
cool attacks easier. Was that the good news, Dreadnose? Yeah that's the good news
is that these bosses do drop items that'll make us stronger. Okay that's what we were
looking forward to there. Yeah, okay, the good news was gonna be pretty thin,
because I was not trying to hide it a little bit. Yeah, it's a bad ratio of
good news to bad news, but we still have reason to be excited.
That's right. Lots of reasons to be excited, so. We have what, how many
items? Boss drop 6, 8? It should be 6 and then 9 for rule attack because of the
Omni token. So 10 or 7 if you get very rare from both as well. Well we have
one reason to be sad which is that we are normal but we have six unique reasons
to be excited which is each individual drop. Yeah exactly each each of those
and then potentially a seventh as well so six or seven items that could drop
from this boss if you get that very rare. Yeah I've been getting pretty
lucky with the very rare. It's almost to the point where it makes you
question if they actually are very rare or maybe these guys need to go and start buying
lottery tickets every morning before they start their day.
Just depends who you are, right?
Yeah.
Some people have way more inherent luck compared to other people.
There's people within the guild that almost consistently feel like they play their first
character and hit every single item they ever need.
DHD comes to mind.
That guy almost every single tier just goes, haha, brain my first run, got everything
I want.
Adam's higher than everybody get you know this guy is just consistently lucky every single yeah, and then he invents this great
Bit of humor where he'll be like oh you guys don't have that
The most insufferable thing of all time
He's the guy who likes getting on people's nerves and being contrarian having a reason to say something that's gonna get on your nerves
yeah, it's good that's a
Important part of the tapestry of the guild absolutely THD comms. I mean he's you know sometimes he's white noise
Yeah, that's that's just the way you got to treat it, but he's he's endearing and we all love him absolutely
Yeah, he's so good as well. That's uh, it's almost impossible to dislike somebody who's that good. No, you just have to tolerate it
You know, yeah, it's again one of the pros and cons and he's got one con and a lot of pros
Actually, maybe the part where he doesn't clean his clothes that might be another con. That's another pro. That's innovative. No, he's a genius
Yeah, he's ahead of his time. It's efficient with his time. That's for sure
Do you think in 400 years people are going to be, you know, do you think we'll stop to shower or clean our clothes?
That's a good question.
We'll probably have a well-masked self-cleaning clothes.
Yeah, probably.
I don't think we have a need for clothes when we're enslaved by the robot master.
True, true.
Actually, yeah, it's 400 years, four years.
Yeah, I don't think they want to spend the time or effort making sure that we're properly...
Maybe in 400 years we'll be able to leverage the alien technology.
as for now we use it for our laptops and our PCs. Oh yeah yeah they're
presenting partner alien there. Exactly, yeah. But maybe one day we can leverage it
into something like self-cleaning clothes. T.J. already ahead of the meta there
though. The AOE washing technology. Yeah it's it's a psychotic thing to string
together in a sentence but if it works for him it works for him. Yes the
The idea is if you got one dirty piece of apparel and four or five clean ones, if you
throw them all in a pile and kind of mix it up a little bit, then the cleanliness of
the five clean pieces of clothing will transfer to that dirty one and they'll all be mostly
clean.
Yeah, it's A.W. cleaning.
The clean ones, A.W. clean the dirty ones.
Exactly.
Man, ahead of his time.
What just happened to them on Boomi's screen?
Ooh, I have no idea what he didn't tell them.
Yeah, looks like one of the other splits is wiped on normal Coil Altar,
not the one that we're currently watching here for THD, but...
One of the other splits has.
Yeah, maybe knocked off during the phase push or something.
I have no idea.
Oh, you would know that from experience, right?
Yeah, that happened.
The first time we pushed out of P2,
it was like, you know, first, second pull or whatever.
We're all caught by surprise by that one.
Yeah.
Even though we knew, like we knew in our brains it was coming, but you have to get killed by it once.
Yeah, of course.
Oh man, Padre, if he was still playing the game right now.
You had to find ways to fall off, huh?
Yeah, that would get him often.
Was that something he was, uh...
He's notorious.
He's notorious. He's not got a single tear without falling off in some sort of cartoonish way.
And every single time he would make a very, very exasperated noise while it happened to the point where you could not ignore that it happened.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, that's you gotta be careful like cuz sometimes you can fly into the radar a little bit if you're if you die and you
Kind of say anything and you you don't explain why right so he's too animated as a person to ever feel like I missed it
But then everybody kind of knows that you messed up and you know a little more danger getting benched to double-edged sword. Oh
Some players out of someone good death. Oh coming in fell off. Right. Yeah, I'm that
Looks like we got a couple people dead now
You don't need everybody alive for normal coil Dalter by any stretch
You do need to not all die. The damage check was actually crazy day one on this boss
But then that was because it was over tuned so
Product of about a hundred million healing or something like yeah, right? Yeah
I have a hundred million extra HP compared to where it as now. It was just an ungodly long phase
People are not hitting that little tight section where you're playing with them
We can eat yard radius and everybody's clumped up and there's bombs and ghosts and orbs all at the same time
So they no longer have to deal with that anymore, but also, you know, the helpers have a lot of gear
The rates been out for almost like a full week at this point
The item of along the raid as a whole is probably like 10 to 12 higher than exactly getting a week
The power of the helpers has gone up. Yeah, the helper scale infinitely every single day that passes up until a point though
we are reaching the point now in the weekend where the availability of helpers is dwindling and
and these raids start to get to a point where they might be a little bit tough,
particularly especially the last three bosses.
Yeah, although at least I think we're done with all our helper heroic activity for the week,
so that does mean it's a little bit less of a challenge.
The heroic ones are really the notable ones that come to mind where,
you know, you're coming in on splits on a Friday and you're looking at something like
heroic small drone, which is already hard with helpers.
Yeah, I think if you could imagine a universe where like twin fangs drop a good drink,
We would be having a lot more trouble because we'd be trying to split that with helpers, but luckily
Just has hands yeah, like it has a very real damage check if people die on that fight early you will not make it
Yeah, and if you're in any guilt like mine, you know gotta use all your beer as on your stupid tanks, so oh, yeah
Oh, yeah, we had a little bit of a battle. Oh, I had to put a diaper on yesterday, dude
Oh, no hands left and right. Yeah, that boss is so aggravating. It's actually the most aggravating thing as a tank
I don't know if you've had this experience.
Have you done it on a Prott Warrior?
I've done it on, no, I did it on Brewmaster though.
Okay.
And Prott Paladin.
Okay, well, yeah, they made a paper.
Yeah, that was fun.
Yeah, Prott Warrior pissed me off so bad because these waves are just the worst thing
imaginable depending on like the lineup of the soaks.
And so the three tank soaks spawn in a randomized pattern.
And there are certain patterns where the waves are a complete non-issue and you
have no issue getting to your circle whatsoever.
There's a certain pattern that happens on a specifics part of the platform where every single wave is directly flying right through the tank
So yeah, and it's the worst thing on the plan
You have to like sneak into the tank so but if you miss at the entire rate
It gets almost one shot to the point where you fall behind on healing or the wave completely runs you over and gives you like six
Stacks and half a second you die to the poison
Yep, and then in the case you want to leap into it last second to avoid that you get no path available
And then your leap doesn't go off and then the tank so it goes off anyways
I was getting so mad I was I was there so on my paladin I need like a defensive for every auto attack
Anytime the boss is about to auto attack me. It's like okay. Yeah, do I have something for this because if not I could be gone
This could be but I'm at 95% HP and my life is flashing before my eyes here one auto attacks gonna take me down to 20
And then you know also trying to move around as a prop out of your heart correctly, right?
I'm just there. I've got my divine steed and that's my that's my one way to navigate around in those moments
Where you got to get to the tank soaks sounds pretty tough and then on my DK's on the other hand it's like
It's complete payphone right? Yeah, I press that's advanced nothing's knocking me back. I can just go wherever I want
Yeah, the DK privilege is real in this raid. Yeah, it's so nice
I'm looking for right now. I'm planning to main a blood DK. I
Really hope that when we see liquid walk into mythic they're playing blood DK's and I
because if there's no blood decays from the race world first guild then I get
this like paint in my stomach that's like uh-oh I made the wrong choice maybe
I gotta swap my main here and then not only do I have to play something else
but like I have to play like a slightly undergeared something else for the
rest of the week yeah I think it's looking good though yeah I think you'll
see at least one yeah maybe in some case you might see two but I think the
second tank is like pretty flexible you can run like quite a few good ones
probably really good then it's Vendence DH is really good guardian
Cause you need to get the buff in the raid somehow, you know, so there's a couple of good options
So I think I think one a is like blood and then one B would be like three or four different
Yeah, yeah lots of viables. I would be shocked if there wasn't a blood decay in the raid. Yeah music to my ears, man
I'm when I play my brew master do you brew master?
It's like I take more damage from the initial hit and I have a massive stagger dog
It's like I thought stagger was supposed to mean that I took less damage up front
I was completely shocked when I I swapped the tank and farm last last raid last year
When I started up my guild some of my friends and I walk up to voracious
You know what I mean? Like yeah second boss avoids by her
complete joke
For for a state of comparison between the harder bosses and the easier bosses and you walk up into the tanks oak
I'm voracious on your wind walker and you don't have too cool
Like literally hold to a kid up you get one shot on the second circle that is shocking like I'm 290 item level
Why is that doing that to me?
That tank is made of paper.
They need to do something about it.
It used to be a pretty consistent brick wall tank.
Yeah, Brewmaster used to be like, you were not getting one shot,
but you might need more external healing.
Like, that was the trade-off you get.
It's so weird because last season, Brewmaster's pretty solid in keys.
Yeah, at the start of the season.
Yeah, I mean, even after some of the nerfs,
like even late season, I would play with Brewmaster tanks.
And I honestly didn't have too much issue with them,
especially in like a dungeon like Skyreach,
They're really strong and they can kind of naturally, you know
If if there's ever a time that your tank just falls over. It's those
Bleed stacks on the auto tax. Yeah, and they just kind of naturally like can have a drop drop with all the dodging that they do
But uh, yeah, I mean I didn't feel too bad in keys, but then for whatever reason and raid, you know
The bosses have big hands. I guess
Doesn't matter how many drinks you're in you start feeling it eventually
That's a very, very humbling experience, log into the, log into the Brewmaster.
Yeah.
In terms of class balance though, when it comes to like tanks and healers, which people don't
necessarily talk about all that often.
I feel like this is, this rate is one of the few options or a few times when there's
so many options of what's good.
Yeah.
Usually there's some sort of glaring obvious like, oh wow, this is so much better.
There's literally no point playing this, et cetera, et cetera, right?
You're looking at Blood Decay, Vengeance, DH, Bear,
Prott Warrior, Prott Pally.
All these things have some sort of unique aspect to them
where you would want it in the raid, and they're not so...
And Brewmaster's a great buff!
Yeah, and Brewmaster's a great buff.
So you're looking at it and you're not upset about
any of these options being played, and you feel like
you could flex any of them.
Yeah, especially on the healer front too.
I think there's only really one bad raid healer,
and that's Miss Reaver now.
I thought Restergerd was going to be the worst,
but it's actually pretty decent.
I've been very impressed with it in these splits so far, it's often the top or second
top.
Yeah, and then both pre-specs are good, though I think disc is going to obviously edge it
out, edge out wholly when you go into the mythic raid.
And then Prezavokar, I thought that there's a really decent chance you might see a double
Prezavokar at some point.
Me too.
Either that double Prez or double disc, both of those I think are really strong.
Restoshamen, I think is also really one of the things that I said that they
they were missing as they really needed more Rift-Hide healing to deal with some of the
raw damage, which is exactly what they got going on between last season and this season.
So they're in a good spot too.
So really, yeah, tanks and healer balance pretty good.
DPS balance?
They're not so good.
It also feels bad.
I bet for Russell Shaman players that historically have been complaining that Spirit Link is
like an underwhelming button to hit, and it's basically their only sort of standout
Utility or a standout like button that feels like they have an impact and right this way
It's great for spirit link. It is yeah, it is fantastic
Everybody is stacked up and there are massive hits going off 24-7 on all these bosses think like oh
It's like when you're soaking these tank slams from the spectral coils that the
Tail spawns those things are chunking people you know what I mean
And basically everybody is stacked for all the major portions of damage think like the tethers in p2 or even the
the stacked component to the Damage Amp MP3 where everybody's getting hit by the pulsing
rate damage of the boss while the heart is out.
This is like one of the few, few rates we've seen where Spirit Link is actually really
high value on a lot of these fights.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
I think it's also nice playing Restor Shaman and your Totems will just cast your own
healing for you.
You drop a healing stream and then you cast Chania.
healing stream has that nice little poison or nature resistance. It's like a 3% nature DR or
something, some small percent damage reduction against nature when people get healed by the
healing stream totem, right? Which, you know, you think about it like that's a devourer kind of.
Pretty much, yeah. They have a devourer too. You're pretty much constantly throwing down totems,
so yeah, pretty decent uptime. If the damage is nature, which it is, under the deck.
You guys know Fresno-Shonet-Silvan's ancestral vigor? I think they do, yeah.
Yeah, I think so.
It's a very underrated bit of addition to your health pool as well, especially on bosses
where you're taking such large hits in succession in short periods of time.
It could be the difference between life or death on a lot of these fights.
Wow, Ulotec.
Oh yeah, okay.
Of course, this is normal.
I was looking at that for some reason.
I was like, oh my God, they're smoking it.
But yeah, it's normal.
Yeah.
37%.
Way lower.
If only.
Yeah.
heroic we're looking at like 55 being a good number for the boss at this point. Yeah, this boss has a
crazy amount of HP per a heroic and boss. Yeah, even considering that you know liquid is doing this
entirely in house with all their own raiders you basically have to play clean otherwise you will
hit the berserk. I wonder what farming this boss is going to be like because it seems like most
of the damage you do to it is in those damage and phases and in p3 it's at the end of the
fight right yeah so does this mean that like in farm you're basically going to
always see the like vast majority of the encounter and then oh yeah in the
for a while end up killing it until it's significantly nerfed yeah more than
likely well at a certain point the first two damage amps you get to do you might
be able like once you're doing like 20% more damage like maybe you just kill it
in the second damage amp yeah or get it low enough that you can kill it near
the near the start of the last phase rather than needing to wait for that
last damage amp. But yeah, I think for a lot of people it's going to be like, oh, the first week
we kill this we're going to barely kill it during that last damage amp and then the next week we're
going to kill it midway through that damage amp and then the next week we're going to kill it
at the start of that damage amp and you're still going to have to do the whole fight the whole
time. Yeah. It's going to be interesting for sure just even thinking of the mythic mechanics
that are available in this fight that last phase is going to be absolute chaos. Yeah. There are
some alarming mechanics in the dungeon journal and of course on mythic the end bosses not
not always have all of its details revealed by the dungeon journal either.
Yeah, it could list like what happens, but the sequence and how they play out could be
something that is vastly different than what you would imagine.
And sometimes you get some bonus mechanics that are undocumented.
Yeah.
I think there's one in the dungeon journal about the egg holders not being able to
be near other egg holders.
That's right.
Yeah.
So every single egg that you pick up the entire fight, you cannot touch another
egg holder, which means when you are soaking the spectral coil group soaks, all
The Egg Holders have to get in without touching each other
when you're dodging the waves,
which we assume will be significantly harder mythic
with harder patterns,
and none of the Egg Holders can touch each other
during that as well.
Well, I saw a nice little add-on there for THC
that was saying wrong target
when the heart was available to attack,
but he was hitting old tech.
Now, I've been told that add-ons were gone,
but it's like a pretty powerful one there.
No, they're arguably more back than ever.
People will always assume that in a world
where add-ons have been restricted,
that the gap between the top-end players
and the low-end players will shrink.
And that's their intended design philosophy
when it comes to that, right?
They don't want people who are a little bit more casual
to the game and don't have the resources
that these guilds have in terms of add-on development
to feel like they are at a disadvantage
or feel like they're missing out
by not having access to these.
But when you put it in a world where, you know,
you're getting the people who are the most dedicated
to the game who will find workarounds
for the specific fixes that they implemented,
it actually makes the gap even bigger
than it originally was.
You'll see Liquid pull up with these add-ons
that you are just completely shocked
that what they're doing on these fights
in terms of solving mechanics, even in a world
where the computational aspect of, let's say,
like former recours is completely gone.
Think like, as small as this one is,
which is just wrong targeted,
it's telling you that you're not targeting the heart.
But the one on Doom Sentinels,
which is just the second boss of the raid,
crazy add-on in terms of the gameplay implications
on how powerful it is.
It's telling you exactly which mob you're within range of
to get the dot of,
and it's giving you a little swipe on the circle
that's telling you when the next stack is coming,
which means that you can effectively both
without ever having your stacks get to the wrong count
on either mob and you're totally safe for the fight.
Yeah, and exactly like you said,
it used to be that an add on like that
would be a weak aura that everybody could get
from Wago, no problem,
But now it's, you gotta go through some arcane ritual
to try and get access to one of these ones that are.
You gotta find a real good friend within one of these
guilds that's willing to sacrifice their entire
livelihood to give you a little something like that.
Yeah, or you wait till the end of the race,
you know, you pass for them,
and then at the end of the race,
everybody's celebrating, everybody's jumping up and down.
And that's when you walk over to one of those computers
and you send yourself a little Discord message
on it with the whole file, the C drive.
Yeah.
Not that I've, you know, where you win a race, you have a little celebration, you butter someone up.
Yeah.
Then they'll get you, you know, they're feeling good. They're feeling a little charitable.
The amount of races that have, within an hour of the kill being claimed, there's been a DM from me to like an analyst that's like, hey, congratulations. Now.
We've been friends right yeah, I consider as close personal friends
How do you do this week or huh?
How does this mechanic work?
That's one of the perks who a lot of loot be traded. Yep. PhD is the loot holder in this split
So everybody rolls need and then trades to him
And yeah, we'll be able to get a little bit of a
I mean, so the thing is the main value item here like the trinket on champion track is okay. Yeah
The cantrip items on the champion track are also sometimes okay, but they're usually side grades ish
Mm-hmm to the hero track, you know here are three pieces, right?
Slightly better, but not hugely. It's mostly the omnitokens generating extra four-piece. I think yeah
I think I'm normal the the on the tokens are really the goal here
It's especially with the way that as soon as you fill your four piece
You can just keep unlocking more and more catalyst charges, right?
because I mean the
The tier comes with standard stat allocation, but they're obviously not the way you want them to in the catalyst
The way it works this this season is that it preserves the stat of the gear you catalyze including cantrip effects, right?
And so really what the goal here is like you get your four piece soon as possible so you get the achievement
So you can start collecting more callus charges then you start
You know
Catalyzing the pieces with the stats that you actually want including the cantor effects like the plate legs that you get off of this boss here
And then you can actually you know get a real like Besson slot set up for this race
All right, well, after that exciting normal kill, while they form up for what'll likely
be the next set of normal kills, we're proud to do an Alienware Analysis segment here,
Atlas.
What have you got for us to take a look at today?
So we have a vod of one of their heroic rule of tech kills.
We're just going to break down some things to look out for, a general breakdown of
the fight, what to expect throughout the phases.
points of the fight, difficult parts of the fight, and maybe a more analytical approach
to understanding what's going on when some of these things might not be as clear on screen.
Okay, so this is one of the heroic kills that we saw?
So this is one of the heroic kills, yeah. It's a little bit into the pull, so it's not
just as they pull. This is a long fight. So we're allowed to skip around a bit.
We can skip around a bit and point out some things that are going on. So
this is after they've dealt with the first Submergeable Tech. She comes back up.
up. We've dealt with one set of eggs. Important to note, there's always this tail here. We've
seen it on normal. We've seen it on heroic. Both the Ulitec boss itself and the Gore-Rattle
tail itself, they both share health and they replicate damage to Ulitec. So any two target
that you do to Ulitec herself and the Gore-Rattle will do boss damage as a whole effectively.
When we get these eggs that drop down on the screen here, they come down in giant
patches. Each individual player will have to grab one and ferry that egg around.
There's a bunch on Heroic. And mind you on Mythic, this is something where these egg
players cannot touch each other the entire time that they are carrying one
of these eggs. This tail will do a sweep. It'll do a big raid hit to everybody
that's outside of the circle and definitely kill you if you're within
the circle. And then the boss will cast these caustic waves that come
across the room and getting hit by any of these waves while you are
carrying an egg will spawn a really bad at. You do not want to have the egg get hit by
any poison abilities within the fight. It will prematurely hatch that egg, fully gestated,
and a viper will come out, which picks one target, dives on them, and gives them an unhealable
healing absorb. So it's basically a death sentence sequentially to a bunch of different
players. Now we have these spectral coils being cast by the gore rattle itself. So
notably on normal, every single person just gets inside each one of the soaks.
It does a big giant group hit, and then when the egg players specifically get hit
by the score rattles spectral coils cast,
it will hatch a weakened version of those eggs themselves,
which gives you the small little adds
that you see up here on screen.
It's specifically that interaction that spawns these ads
in a weakened state.
On heroic notably, these two tails cast very quickly
in succession and you cannot soak both.
You get applied a debuff that makes you unable
to mitigate the damage that the spectral coil would do.
So you need to split up into two separate groups,
one who soaks each tail, and then you'll have egg carriers
in both groups and you'll see these little rowing spawn small little adds.
They put a stacking poison dispel on the tanks that actively have threat.
It's not necessarily all that scary on heroic.
Something to look forward to on Mythic is there's a time limit to kill these adds.
They will go completely berserk if you don't kill them quick enough.
Getting so much haste at the point where that dot becomes unhealable on the tank.
And then we get Evendem's Heartburn.
So, Uletek will channel this ability called Rage of the something.
Shackled, I think?
Rage of the Shackle.
Yeah, that's right.
And she'll begin a sequence where she's channeling a large amount of periodic raid damage.
You can see the raid frames here.
They're taking big hits of raid damage on Heroic.
On Mythic, we assume this will be even nastier.
It'll be really scary.
And then you get a crazy two target damage amp on the heart and normal damage on
Uletek.
So, Cleave classes here are shining.
If you look at the meters, you know, Warlocks, Warriors, Windwalkers, Archaemages, these classes
that thrive in these sort of stacked damage amp phases are really going to pop off here.
And then after you get two of these heartburns, you then go to these sides where you split
up the raid 15-15 on 30-man Heroic, and then you deal with a mini-adphase.
So this notably was the biggest pain point.
Yeah, prior to today, when heroic wiltec felt killable, they would get to this phase and almost immediately die every single time.
So, there's a few mechanics that will break down what's going on here one by one.
First is the main ad that you're dealing with, is this Doom Scale Warden. It's on the sides.
This warden will then activate these eggs that you see down the hallway, two at a time.
And then if the eggs complete their gestation and cash, they will then spawn the bad ad that you don't want to deal with.
So you are concerned with killing this Warden in time, but also making sure that these eggs don't hatch
Now what this Warden also does is he has a tank kit he has this thing called I
Think it's called grasping venom and he'll apply tethers to players prior to today
This tether was the scariest thing you've ever seen on a heroic boss imaginable
It put out six or eight tethers. I think it was
maybe even more than that honestly.
But snapping it puts like the stacking radar on the raid.
Right now as it stands,
snacking one singular tether alone is annihilating them
to the point where they have to commit multiple healing
cooldowns through put, defensives, all these things.
And there's three sets of them
that they have to snap individually on each side.
Prior to today, they have to snap them in sets of two.
Right.
You were watching the raid frames yesterday and wondering,
oh my God, they got to P2 and almost instantly died.
What happened?
It was then just snapping the tethers
and the raid damage being unmanageable.
Now they have reduced the amount of tethers by half, so before I believed there was six
and there were snap commemence sets of two, three separate times, now there's just three
tethers per side, so you just snap one individually, you heal up the dot, you wait for the dot
to fall off, you snap the next one and then continue until all three are gone.
So as you see they get to P2, they're all hitting this warden, they're eventually
going to move their way down the hallway once the warden decides to teleport and
and then activate these eggs.
And then here we go.
The eggs have been activated through writhing gestation.
They start cleaving down the eggs
and making sure that the eggs die in time.
There's a small little kick on the warden,
so you have to make sure to kick that.
If you do not kick that, you instantly die as well.
That's awesome.
And then these Rawlings come out
because you have killed the eggs in time.
These are the small adds we are not concerned with.
And then this is also something
which isn't necessarily the best game or angle.
It's firedups looking entirely top-down.
But Ulitex spontaneously will appear on either side
and then rain a bunch of circles down at your feet so if I correct me if I'm
wrong but
with this uh... tool you're using you can't swap up you really want to i can
swap p o b unfortunately i doubt it gets much better
uh... okay
that's what it's the deal with uh...
this mechanic specifically when it comes to all these circles spontaneously
spawning under your feet and
so frequently
is to go top down yeah
uh... but
you you have a tell for when it looks like it's coming and she's on your
side
and you'll know how to react to these
uh... appropriately but it is very fast like these circles you have seen
right i can go back in the tool of it
they spawn quick they drop quick and if you get caught by a single one of these
you will die
uh...
so this word now has applied these others to these players right you can see
these green tethers
you're going to be the mouth on this side yet they haven't had on that is
basically telling them who is that
and all which i don't know that
well that must be something else to know for a little bit
it's it's a uh... creative tool that they've managed a graphical bug of some
yeah some the game somehow has put this on their screen but i don't have that i
don't know what's happening there but it's telling you who's on what side it's
telling you who has the tethers who still needs a pop you know you get to call
this person goes and pops
and once they have popped you get to see the um...
duration of the dot and know whether or not you are safe
so if you look at the right things right now right the one stack is kind of
destroying them, a good bit. It's a hefty amount of damage. Now just imagine that this was doubled
and they had to do it three separate times. Very scary.
Yeah, look at that. Maybe they did two then one there.
Yeah.
They did a little double stack, right? Because there's the one stack and then
a little bit more of this. I think there was a two stack.
Yeah. So once you have killed the Warden, you see him die here, the last remaining
eggs on the side are now available. There's a bunch towards the edge and then there's
There's one gigantic one all the way off here in the back.
Running over the egg will pick it up and the goal of this now is it starts a timer the
second you pick up these eggs to then drop it off at the crucible that was at the beginning
of the platform when you started the phase.
So you can see here he has a timer on him above his head.
They're going to take these eggs on over to this cauldron and tossing it into the
cauldron will then spawn more adds.
There's one big add.
There's a bunch of the small adds that we saw prior.
The big add doesn't do anything considerably notable.
It has a kick that you need to make sure that it doesn't go off.
It has a frontal cone at some point as well where it's like a long cast, you have plenty
of time to move out of it.
And then once both sides have finished their side and dumped the eggs, they meet back
up in the middle and they start the next phase.
So P2 very scary in terms of ray damage intake.
That's been the big point of failure for them in the last couple of days every single
time that they pulled up to this boss.
Now once you finish off these adds, you get another separate phase, Ulitec will reemerge,
and then you get, I believe, one more Damage Amp coming soon.
So Ulitec pops back up, you get the Rage of the Shackled, you get one more Damage Amp,
and this is where you're really looking for a killable threshold of HP on the boss.
The last phase is incredibly difficult.
If this boss does not take enough damage prior to this point, once she finishes
is the end of this cast.
It's looking a little doomed.
So you get this damage up one more time.
We're at 40% totally killable.
Anything under 50, honestly, is totally fine.
Above 50, you're not looking great.
And then she goes into her intermission.
So intermission is, again, another sequence
of these spectral coils coming from these gore rattles,
except there is not anything to hit.
So we're picking up the eggs,
and then notably, these tails
can spawn anywhere around the arena.
You'll see they have pre-placed all of these markers
so that they can call which group goes where.
and sequentially they keep spawning over and over again.
So it's something like a split group situation.
You have half of your raid go to the first one that spawns,
half of the raid goes to the second one that spawns,
the ones that got hit by the first one
then go to the third one that spawns,
the second half of the raid goes to the fourth one
that spawns, and you play this little dancing mini game
of making sure that you all make it to the soaps inside.
The small adds in this honestly not a big deal,
you know, on Heroic again.
There's no pressing need to kill them.
They do a stacking dot on the tank,
but it's a non-consequential.
On Mythic there will be an actual damage check
to making sure that these ads die in time.
And then once you have soaked all of the spectral coils,
which is time-based, Ultec will re-emerge out of the middle,
split the platform into four, and then re-teleport
to one of these four platforms, which you can see which one
she's going to pick based on the bubbling
in the acid that happens prior.
You'll see here there's a little bubble,
animation that happens here,
and it's telling you she's going to that spot.
She does this frequently.
Every single time she submerges she'll make this little
bubbling animation to let you know which platform she's planning on going to
next. Yeah, you can see the ping come out there as one person sees it and then
everybody else can get over there. Yeah, so once we're in this phase there's a lot
that's happening. The concept of the phase is it gets progressively harder as
the play space gets restricted and then you get additional ads every
single time that she snaps one of these platforms and breaks it. So you
start with four, you play on that platform for a little bit and then
she casts something that shatters the platform and it's no longer
available play space for you anymore. So first things first, she's gonna
spawn these eggs that drop down on each of these platforms. Same concept as all
the other eggs prior to this. They have a cast called Riding Gestation. They need
to be killed before this cast finishes. If not, you get the bad ad. That is almost a
dense sentence for specific players one at a time as it casts. So the range
will swap off. They'll hit the eggs on the back. You'll appropriate some level
of split TPS. You'll handle those and then they spawn the small ads which
are not a threat. Now the super scary part of this is this specific
mechanic here that spawns these red circles on players and then turns them
into a conduit that people need to soak. When this activates these players will
then start leaching health from the players around them and the other players
who are soaking them are basically extracting the poison out of their body.
Right. If you do not do this the person who gets this debuff is dead. So
what they'll do is they'll split up different groups of people into these
different debuffs, soak out the venom from those players so that they
get to survive and then based on what they soaked out of these once the debuff
expires it turns into a spread. So you'll see there's a text on the screen
that says spread in three two one again provided by the game clearly and then
these players will then spread and this spread will hit you as hard as how much
you soaked out of the player. If you under soak the player these spreads will
annihilate you so you need an even split of these players within and then
And outside of that, there's the waves that travel throughout the room.
Not only just from the boss, but there'll be a couple spectral ones that travel in randomized
patterns from the back as well.
And then when she casts circling prey, the spectral coil will spawn in.
It's not targetable, but it will annihilate this platform that she's currently on.
So you have until the end of the cast to jump off of this platform.
If you are on the platform when it finishes, you get one shot.
And then she'll resubmerge, and then you'll start that again one more time.
The difference though is every single time that she smashes one of these platforms,
She will submerge, she will reemerge somewhere else based on the bubbling.
And then after that, she will then cast a separate thing that spawns an ad that will come down
from this section here of a destroyed platform.
So you get sequentially more ads every time she spawns or destroys a platform.
And this new ad that you get from this BlightScale shrieker now has a kick.
So you start off with one kick, once you destroy one platform you move up to two
kicks you then you go up to three kicks and once you're on the last platform you
no longer does this anymore you have no concerns for this so you have an added
layer the ad itself does a good bit of rate damage as well it puts a dot on
the entire raid you can see it here it takes down pretty hard in the last
couple when you have a few of these out and then you know you rinse and repeat
you get the same mechanics that you've been seeing in this phase you soak
the circles you work your way through when they are fully soaked you get the
spreads and you'll see liquid opt into something here once they work their way
towards the last platform. They sacrifice blue players who end up getting these
soaks because the rate damage is so high on heroic and heroic is tuned so high
that they opt into making sure that the majority of the rate is safe right and
then they just expend the DPS that are dead and not soak their debuffs because
they know that to make the damage check and they'll just send like a battle
resident they have it available on those players. That's like the very last set
of red circles when they're on one platform. So we'll skip to it here you
You can see, you know, there you have the text on their screen says no soaps.
These players, you know, are being healed through the damage for as long as they can.
They get petrified when they, when you fail to get the venom out of them, yeah.
Yeah, so they're not soaking them, so these players will die at the end of their debuff,
but they have some level of time to still keep hitting the boss until they do and
eventually end up dying.
This part you can very clearly see, right, leading up to this, the amount of rate
damage that's going on here is extremely high and having spreads on this last
platform, going into a damage amp where the play space is restricted and the ceiling is
also crashing all around you, just makes for a hilarious, hilarious overlap where they
don't want to even risk it.
It would feel horrible.
You spend nine minutes getting to this point, right, and then you just have that overlap
hit like a few people, they all die, and then you die to the damage check.
There's no point in sucking these.
So they hit this last damage amp, and this is how the fight ends.
You get to the last platform, you play through a little sequence of it, she does
a damage amp, and at the second this damage amp ends, the spectral coil slams down
on the platform.
So notably, you know, this is your last little straw.
You did enough damage, you make it through the damage amp, you do enough damage in the
damage amp and you kill it.
Important to note, if you did not make it quite that clean and you had to play a little
bit more time, the thing that one-shots you is being on the platform when that spectral
coil gets off.
You can go take a little bath.
You can go take a little bath.
Swim in the pool a little bit, enjoy the fresh water of complete, disgusting acid
that's surrounding you.
It will kill you quickly.
Yeah.
bit more time than just a straight up one shot and you've seen the tanks kind of like live for a
good bit. Probably immune in there as well for a little while. Yeah yeah yeah it's not an immediate
over. The boss will then cast a channeled ability that does kill you but it's not immediately over.
There is some time afterwards to kill it. There you go. Yeah that's basically heroic
ulotech. You know a couple pain points. P2 is very scary rate damage. There's a bit of coordination
check in terms of making sure that the kickstone go off but that's relatively not that scary.
It's mainly just making sure that nobody dies and you have enough damage.
So something that we'll see, you know, as they're curating these groups together,
is making sure that there's a balance enough comp of classes that do damage on this fight
to the point where the damage concern isn't really much of an issue.
Notably, you know, two target and damage amps, a lot of these classes
are not going to be balanced equally, you know.
You're seeing certain ones of these classes just completely dunk this boss
and then other ones are very far behind.
So just making sure that they have balance comps will help them get more consistent with the tech kills as they go on.
I wasn't listening to any of that. Can you say that again?
Absolutely not.
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Yeah, I want to go back a little bit to where you're talking about about the damage profiles
I think that's one of the cool things about ULTEC is it has a bunch of different damage profiles within the fight, right?
Yeah
If you're a spec that's good at
Execute like arms warrior, you're gonna be really happy at that part of the fight, right?
If you're good at two-target cleave like arms warrior
You'd be really good at that part of the fight, right?
And then there are some specs like arms warrior that are just good at the rest of the fight to single target
Yeah, you have the single target the birthday we so
You know different specs get a chance to shine at the different parts of the encounter
Yeah, there's definitely going to be more of an emphasis even on the classes that don't shine on heroic that will shine on myth. Yeah, right
Oh, you also have your class that can is very tanky can handle like a lot of big damage hits like arms warrior
Then you'll be doing pretty well in this fight, too
Yeah, somebody with access to safe defensive stance or ignore pain would be pretty happy
Yeah in those parts where you're kind of just doing the intermission and there aren't ads to hit
and you're running around maybe a heroic leap to get you into the coil soaks as needed.
I've done some digging in the dungeon journal itself, specifically for mythic changes.
I think there might be something to grit.
Oh!
Yeah, yeah, it's ambiguous, but my gear is hooked up when I read it.
Yeah, so there's a mythic ad in P3, these little Venoms, or Slimes rather.
And all the dungeon journal says is that they seek out Venom,
which means that they are a movable ad that will fixate towards something likely
and start working their way towards it.
I imagine it's like the middle of the room or something like that.
Or maybe the players that have the venom on them or something?
Or yeah, maybe the players that have the venom that have been calcified and they're being soaked.
So there might be something, hopefully, maybe this is cope,
but there might be something to grip which would make me even more mad
that there is something to grip rather than there is not something to grip
Something to grip because then that completely invalidates my crusade against blizzards hatred of DK's and not giving them a read buff
Yeah, well, I think one thing's for sure is if there is something to grip on that fight
We got to give arms warrior death grip. I think it's the only
You know, I'm not warrior did have a death grip
They threw a chain yank yank
Yeah, the meat hook. Yeah. Yeah, so let's get that. I mean, yeah, you already a precedent so might as well
That's time also DK DPS is just in a sad state of affairs right now, you know, yeah, they're hitting with the tanks down there
Yeah, to give you even more argument as to playing a blood DK. It's a safe tank. It does pretty decent damage
And DK DPS is looking pathetic. So if there is grips on the last boss, I wouldn't be surprised to see blood decagues
Who's we played for that? We are seeing a normal split here that is not just called alter and Ultec. It is actually a normal
Vashnik
Split this guy drop
that people.
Oh, I think it's complete ass.
Yeah.
I think tier is probably what we're here for.
Yeah, probably.
It would be my suspicion.
The other right, like there's a okay tank trinket.
This one's gone.
But on the champion track, I don't see that being particularly compelling for anybody.
Yeah.
There's a staff, but also on the champion track, who cares?
Tanks these days just play DPS trinkets.
Yeah, we want the same ones that all the strength that you've worked off with
the last two.
We're past the days of having trinkets like the one off Nizoff.
It's like a 90% VR absorption skill.
Notably though, they did actually, shockingly,
they made a good tank trinket this rate off of the turtles.
That thing is actually good.
Yeah, if you felt compelled enough to use it,
which most of the tanks don't necessarily need with good play.
But if you felt like you wanted to use it,
or maybe you wanted the cushion to play it,
that thing isn't bad.
Which they struggle with for some reason
pretty frequently in making good tank trinkets.
You think of things like, you know,
Machimba's Ritual Bandages or something like that,
gives you like a absorb shield per one melee.
Yeah, that's never ever been good. Yeah, but you know, they they every now and then they make a couple bangers
The mizalaphtang trick it was unbelievably op almost and this one is pretty good
Yeah, yeah, you guys remember the there was like the diamond as well that sort of gave you like a flat or like a building up
Shield no with that from no Therians where there was the one from
There was a lot of Zara lore that everybody's like wearing into the next season. Oh a good one. Yeah, it was a good one
Oh, it was a good one. Yeah
Diamond there's like an opulence tank trinket. Hmm, but I think mostly it's been cheap death trinkets
So the other time trinkets that will wear. Well, that's just like, you know, OP proc. Yeah
It's just so powerful. It's a lot of having one of those in a couple seasons now. Thank God
Yeah, cuz it's always like just a no-brainer auto
After where I'm in your heart do yeah, and that but then you got you do get to see who's not smart
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, people they're like, I'm not gonna wear that the sim says it's bad
Okay, I remember when we were doing Jailer progression
I had to come in and thank the boss because Scott had an emergency and
I was really nervous going into it because one I haven't tanked right like it and boss in forever
Secondly, it was my first time tanking a race to world first and boss as it's being progressed
Which is just like completely unique piece in terms of tanking and third that thing had a reputation of one shot
Like there was the gift of echo or I believe it was either echo or method pulling up
I think it was Mara's actually he threw a catch smash on it before it landed and he got meleeed instantly one shot on the pole
So I was like super nervous. I was like, okay. Yeah, I'll just go out there giving my best shot
You know what I mean, and I did not have a cheat death trinket
There was the fate scribe one that was super OP right and we went up and pulled it and on the first tank combo
I got one shot and then we stopped what we were doing and then went back to normal of
The fate scribe raid to go kill that boss so I can get a normal cheat death trinket
which is one tier prior on the lowest difficulty imaginable just to get that drink.
I did get it and then I put it on and then I felt comfortable and I took it off one pull
and I got one shot again and then I put it back on. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that boss that had the
big gavel. It was like a three second swing timer. Yeah. And just it would take you out when it
connected. There were some specs that just could not tank the jailer for the first like month
that it was out like you you rock up with a prop halogen and they're in for a world of trouble.
Even his normal melee is working, terrifying.
Yeah, and then the ones who throw the big mace at you as well from far away and just absolutely
murder you.
I like these bosses where the tanks are just quivering the entire time, you know, Demensius,
Notorious.
I've never, Scott and Yipz are the two best tanks I've ever seen play the game and they're
so capable and when it comes to like min-maxing their survivability versus damage, fantastic
at doing it and they're so stoic about what they do.
Yps was shook on that boss playing a blood decay his voice was like quivering and sometimes he would stop speaking mid-sentence
Cuz he got caught off guard by how much damage he was taking. Yeah
I was playing a brewmaster monk on that fight and that was back. That was back in the good days for room. It was like
Completely payphone compared to the blood decay because you could transcend the novice and the thing about being a tank on that fight is
Most people could dodge the like could avoid the vulnerability from the novice
But the tanks couldn't because you had to be on the opposite side of the boss
So you had to take a two-stack and it was hard to avoid the three-stack
but if you're a true master you could like transcend over the part where two were going and just
Completely trivialize that part of it and then got to use all your defenses just on the auto attacks. It was much much easier
When do you guys think we're going to mythic so
Yeah, I mean earlier where there was like copium was like oh, they're on heretical attack like it's the heroic end boss
That's the last thing you do before mythic bad news
There's more normal splits to do and the reason you're doing more normal splits is you're trying to power up your characters more for more
Heroic Ulytex that are gonna have to happen after these so I
Suspect that we will be doing this for the lion's share of today
Yeah
I think we're wearing up characters in a bunch of these normals and then going back doing a bunch more heroic Ulytex
And then it'll be dinner time and then we'll come back
And I'm sure there'll be like some layer boss nonsense to do or some mythic plus to farm
Mm-hmm. I think mythic first thing tomorrow morning is my that I'm I worry that might be an optimistic prediction
Yeah, I'm thinking like after lunch
Or depending on the state of affairs after dinner tomorrow, which is after dinner tomorrow
So like after dinner on Saturday. Yeah, it's just a crazy thing to think about
We used to live in a world where we're reaching man boss on Saturdays
Yeah, like we're working on the penultimate boss. Oh, no, it was hard. We didn't get there on Saturday
Maybe we're looking at like a Sunday and boss like a Monday and boss, you know
And then you had a little sneak peek before the reset
But now we're we're staring down the barrel of you know what it's the week's almost done
Guess what we got looking forward to after all of our hard work Nimrissa wavecaller. Yeah. Yeah for all
We know that boss is still bugged here. Yeah, who's do you see even say it's bugged?
Maybe it's just intended to one-shot you. Oh, yeah
maybe it's
It's supposed to be for next year.
Yeah.
We're able to get to perform the gear from that one, yeah.
Who knows?
The tuning this time around has been kind of all over the place.
I wonder if it's easier on like Mythic 15 rather than 25
as well, because I think most people that have been doing
Mythic Nimeris, I've been trying it on 25.
Yeah.
Well, that is crazy.
I would not be surprised if the same tuning,
like scaling mishaps that have plagued this raid
have also affected that box.
I was saying this earlier.
I wonder what Lutec on Heroic
is like with a 10-man raid.
I bet it's a blast so one thing that is true is you know those green circles in the last phase
Yeah, one of the hotfixes they did to it makes them bigger in smaller raid sizes and smaller in larger raid sizes
So it didn't launch that way the first version of this fight that we were fighting earlier this week didn't have that tech
But that is at least a good way for that to scale to still be relevant in 10 player content, right?
Yeah, to make it a bigger green circle around you because of course there's just less people in the same place base
Yeah, most of the other stuff has been like scaling really really favorably towards 10 player
My question is just about like the raw amount of damage events that take place because you know in a 10 player raid
You're expecting it to probably be two or three healed and
Especially on that fight where you kind of split up the raid problem. I gotta be two
Yeah, probably a two-heeled boss
So then you know, I can't imagine the damage is that crazy in a 10-man raid
And especially, you know, one thing I noticed near the end of last season with the bonus
roll system is that people were making these like life-blinded Vanguard groups that are
just for re-rolling and they were just doing it in 10 man raids and it was like very very
easy.
So I wonder if it's the same way in terms of just like the scaling of the damage that
the raid takes.
I'd be curious to know and I'd be curious to know if there will be 10 man heroic
cool tech groups that are just forming just for the sake of bonus rolling as the
weeks go by you gotta hit the golden ratio it's two four nine
ah yeah the classic there's some inscrutable
uh... you know comps that I just don't
I still to this day don't get two four nine it's a great ratio
there's uh... two three six yeah two three six yeah that's uh
do you ever get the quirky ones like the really really weird off number ones
no I've never got any really weird off number ones I've gotten some
inexplicable 30-man raids where clearly like the leader is just inviting whoever
and you know that just signs up yeah thinking like oh we can get six pieces
of loot to drop I'm sure that this was gonna go over really well dude the math
people do in their heads as well where it's like oh I'm gonna get more loot if
I invite more people they're gonna roll on they're rolling on night yeah
getting the same number of a loop for person it's like it's better if you
You can get people who are going to pass on stuff, sure.
And if you're a smart raid leader,
sometimes I've seen raid leaders where it's like,
huh, there's only one cloth wearer in this raid.
That's interesting.
Interesting.
Yeah.
That's quite a warlock, and I invited 12 warriors.
That's a good tech.
Yeah, that is a good tech.
Honestly, that might be the key to success in this raid
specifically.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I did that in under mine, actually.
I made a normal mode pug on Tuesday
of the release on my DH, and I did not
invite anybody on my token.
And then the God saw my deceit and decided that no tier tokens would drop that I needed.
So you got to bring back classic loot rules, dude.
HR.
No.
OK.
Yeah.
I would love like a SR runs and stuff like that.
But without Master Loot, it doesn't work.
Yeah.
So HR, SR, that's like hard reserve, soft reserve, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So like a hard reserve is like only you have the rights to whatever you hard reserve.
Soft reserve is like you get a every person in the red gets like an X number.
like let's say everyone gets two soft reserves, right?
So like I can soft reserve the guillotine trinket
and then the two-hander.
That means that I can roll on it,
but then other people who also soft reserve it
can also roll on it.
But because you only get two soft reserves,
that means that you don't get the roll prio
on other loot that you did in reserve.
Yeah, it basically buys you the opportunity to roll on it.
You can expend your soft reserves on individual items
or you can double up on the same items.
get two rolls on that item and then everybody who soft reserve that item
rolls for it and the one who rolls the highest actually gets the item if
nobody soft reserves it is completely open. Yeah that's pretty standard now in
classic was what people do there's like a whole website and you go to you pick
your two soft reserves then the loot master imports that sheet into like
their add-on and that way like when the add-on the loot add-on sees oh this
item dropped these are the people that soft reserve now you can go ahead and
roll so it's pretty cool fun little mini game you know every week you're like
oh what am I gonna soft reserve this week yeah and does the loot master get
to like hard reserve something for themselves or the way they want to you
know how dictator like they're yeah yeah yeah if they want to hard reserve
something they can one thing that was fun that we did in our classic guild
was inside was we would hide this soft reserve so like because like and usually
you can see what you don't want to mediate about it right where yeah exactly
because you know you're a change you would change what you would do based on
what other people would do and then there's this then I'd see an incentive
where you'll everybody's trying to wait till everybody else is submitted it
yeah exactly yeah it's fun a little social dynamic you know where you hide all
the soft reserves you show up for the raid and right before you start you
unshow them and lock it yeah and then you just look at your friend you're
like dude are you a psychopath why did you put three hard reserves on a belt
Like as opposed to a big trinket or like a weapon or something, you know
But the interesting thing is is that what what I notice is like the loot spread of reserves is a lot better
When you actually hide the the soft reserves it's weird how that it works the psychology behind that
Yeah, because everybody's kind of trying to predict what other people will do and get a nice like
Medium value one rather than going for the one that I think everybody's gonna contest. Yeah. Yeah
It keeps kind of kind of keeps everybody honest. I like that a lot
I miss the days of sod I
Hate bringing it up all the time because I just sound clingy, but wow what a fantastic game
Well more of that one there the joy of casting splits, especially
I think we got a special permit if we're casting splits on a Friday
We can kind of say whatever we want, but yeah one thing you'll learn is every caster has their own
comfort
topic that they can just like spew some like verbal
You know nonsense about her 30 minutes or an hour and I have dreams of sod. Yeah, I'm not even kidding
like I when I have had a tough day and I'm
Subconsciously seeking comfort. I dream of doing scarlet enclave with my friends. Oh, yeah
Bring me back dude
If you thought arms warrior was OP in this version of the game
If you saw arms warrior
You saw arms warrior in a sod with an ashbringer and the scarlet enclave set bonus. It was crazy
They're just ripping off the tanks. They're dying every pull. Yeah, so the the set bonus in scarlet enclave was your whirlwind
Which in saw in classic is a nine second cooldown
Every time your deep wounds ticked it reduced the cooldown of whirlwind by like point three seconds
But there was no cap on it. So if you have targets, oh my god
We you would have whirlwind up every global and whirlwind did a ton of damage in a we so and on top of that
Ashbringer was just like it leached it did the damage proc and leached health from mobs and then gave you a
Ridiculous primaries that stacking thing based on yeah, so in a way you were just like a blender of nature
Yeah, you were like you were dude like cleave whirlwind cleave whirlwind. That was like your gobbles in a way
Yeah, so fun all the classes and saw it were so fun the gearing process
Amazing like it would you think of you know RPG character progression?
it's the panicle of all of World of Warcraft's game modes in terms of what they did to make you feel
not only like you're playing with the community as a whole, but excited to go back and do old
content for people who are lower geared than you. There was always an incentive for you to go back
and help people. And then there's that sense of like small scale community where you have to do
things in groups together. So like you get the social aspect of like specifically trying to
play with other people. Oh, it was so good, man. And the classes were fun. You'd boot up
another character and then you just, you had a good old time. You could play that thing
I think it was so much fun.
Classic plus better be that.
Yeah, something along those lines could be all that and more.
I yearn for that until they announce what it is.
It can be that in your head as well.
That's true.
It's whatever classic plus whatever you imagine it to be for now.
Cliff Wow says this guy's still talking about sod.
I will talk about sod until the day I die.
I'll be on my wedding, you know, giving my what's it called?
I was my vows and I will vow to love my wife as much as I love sod.
Well, you know about as much as much as much as I am a child of women and I love very deeply
So I would like to romantic I would like to love her as much as I love the thing your spouse
Can never get you an ashbringer. I don't think no actually I think once you get married you
Can play on each other's accounts and it's not like a countering anymore. Oh, that's true
That's what I've been saying this week. Okay. This is gonna be completely unhinged. Yeah
I think that what liquid should do in order to win the race more reliably is
They should make a good guilt like one of the non race world first guilds
And then every liquid Raiders should marry one of the players in that whole and then what they do is you bring them to the race
World first and then you know all this time where we're sleeping if you have a spouse
They can play on your account while you're asleep and grind M plus right now
You think about we're talking about like oh when do you do all this M plus time your spouse does it overnight?
While you are sleeping at the race world first and bang you've got all the all the crests
You've got all the n-plus gear, you know
They could farm myth crests on your alts and you could craft mythic weapons on your alts to make
Ulutech heroic easier, right? Yeah, it's there's a how does it work with children?
Is it the fall in the same category where there are lots of planners surely?
I think so. Okay, I'm adding another layer onto your plan. Yeah, so now we got ships going
Yeah, we got spouses playing at different hours of the day. So there's constantly someone awake now
Now you also have children with the designated purpose of making them race world first raiders.
They spend their entire livelihoods training these guys to then take over when the inevitable
age kicks in and you are no longer able to play.
And then you start just a race world first breeding factory, like a continued legacy
of your family tree being completely predicated.
Right.
If you're good, you become a raider and if you're bad, you become like the helper
that does the M-plus on the account overnight.
Exactly.
up the mantle of like you know fired up having his kid and he's just training him to be the
world's best mage from now on and then you know he spends his entire teenage life exclusively
only playing World of Warcraft while his parents are both taking their shifts in the
race world first and then once you know it's of time you know you then pass on the mantle
and then your kid ends up doing that.
Yeah it's like Viltrumites but for World of Warcraft we're cooking with this we
gotta we gotta we gotta do a good I'm just saying like you haven't seen them do
this yet but the next time they lose a race and they're looking for ways to optimize for the next one
mark my words you're in like a us you know five through fifty guild expect to see a strange offer
are you single and looking to raid how dedicated are you deploying the game at the hours of midnight
to 10 a.m. I mean there are a lot of guilds are you got most of my girls up at that time zone. Yeah, it's a
game or hours
They all mum to stay away from the rating eugenics program
Yeah, it's yeah, they would be hard to find a buyer
But what you what you get one one guild interest that's all you need
Or you could poach a few people from different guilds that'd be a lot harder than just taking a guild wholesale a great, you know
questionnaire set of questions on that one. It's like name, age, how long have you been playing
World of Warcraft? Do you like long walks on the beach? What's your favorite kind of music?
What's a radar IO score? Any special interests? Any alts you don't like?
How flexible are you to like a messy living space? How flexible are you on playing Guardian
Druid versus Brot Warrior? Take a screenshot of your bags right now.
I know a lot of people who would instantly fail that test. Oh, yeah fired up with some item from Dragonflight in there still
Thankfully, I use a bag out on now that just kind of like categorizes everything
But I always wonder like what you know, it's like the Homer Simpson meme where he's like in his underwear
He looks very fit and then like the back of all the fats all tied up like that's what my bags are probably like right now
absolutely
Yeah, those bag out on stuff away definitely make it look prettier
But then you scroll down and it's got like legacy as a category there
Do I really need these on garage tier tokens here? Yeah, you never know
Do you know who's notorious for just having items in his bag for no? Oh my god. No reason at all fired up
Yeah, unsurprisingly, you know, you'll try and trade him loop during splits sometimes and he's like oh my bags are full
He opens it up and he's got tier tokens that he hasn't opened from two expansions ago sitting in his bag
Yeah, do you guys do like a pre-patch spring cleaning of your bags?
Yeah, I do. I'm too OCD to not have a sense of direction with everything that I own.
Yeah, I just you know every so often I'll just because what my some bag I don't do is
they'll categorize like mostly like it's armor slop that's like in my bags and
it'll categorize it according to like if I have it assigned to a set which
I usually am good about that so like I'll have like a set for every spec and then like a PvP set so as long as
An armor pieces in those categories is safe
Anything that's just in like the armor or weapons category like the generic one. I'll just you know right before the patches vendor everything
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I'm optimistic, man.
I think the first four balls are going to follow.
I just think it's going to be a standard rate.
You know, we've off.
We're off to a slow start, but I'm looking at, you know, 12, 13 days.
It's like, yeah, okay, splits took a day longer,
but does that mean that Mythic is this over tuned as well?
Probably not necessarily,
because a lot of the tuning has come from the fact
that it is scaling weirdly for the players, right?
And Mythic is a lot more of a easy target to aim for.
You know how many people are gonna be in there.
This is my fork in the road meme view of the rain.
It's either going to be sunshine and rainbows,
where it's going to be similar to Narbar Palace.
I think the first four will be really easy
and the last four will be quite hard.
Or the rain and thunderstorm and terrifying lightning
of Vault of the Incarnates
where each boss is like impossible
because there's some kind of bugger overtune-ness going on
and then they need to wait for it to be fixed.
And that happens like three or four bosses in a row.
There's another disaster case
where they're just all too easy.
Oh, yeah, seven days splits and then one day of progression. Yeah. Okay. Why are we doing this dare? I say
Mythic is usually a little bit more polished than the 30 man heros. Yeah
Which is a dangerous statement to be bringing up, you know, but I
Assume that the majority of the first bosses will just kind of fall over and then they'll reach a
Complete wall that seems maybe a little bit out of reach that gets smacked down a bit
I'm thinking, you know, maybe
Maybe Cizerac, maybe Coil-Dalter, might be a little sketchy.
Coil-Dalter and PTR was kind of hilarious,
so we'll see how they deal with that one once I get to it.
That was an awesome mythic test.
I actually, I think the most fun I've ever had PTR
testing a boss was mythic Coil-Dalter.
It's tough to make those two boss bosses.
Yeah.
The duo bosses work well, you know.
Having individual mechanics coming from each boss,
that kind of interact with each other
There's always a tough feat to design.
So can court notably complete slop on PTR.
Still Legion Generals?
Yeah, still Legion Generals.
So Legion Generals was sleeper at three boss fight,
and it was the gargoyle was just harder than either
the general.
Yeah, yeah.
Also the guy that is piloting Draven,
like you could never account for him AFK'ing
in the fight.
He could miss, he could crit as well, that was it.
He would drop an ad off of the platform.
Yep, that was a,
Man, thinking about some of the new generals makes me appreciate every other boss so much.
It did make for hilarious moments though, seeing how unbelievably bugged the Wicked Blades
could be.
Yeah, the Wicked Blades.
It's just funny.
Weird pathing, hovering in place.
And you got the priests that masked the spells and then died in the APT.
Twitch chat is just flaming them every time.
Oh my God, Nick, this guy sucks.
He's dead every pull.
Yeah.
That's a good bit.
impossible to mitigate as well. There's no actions you could take that would stop that
message getting posted every uh, every fall.
Alright, for anybody just joining us though we are in another normal split. 10 liquid
raiders, 20 helpers, and it looks like they're farming a lot of normal Vashniks in particular
for tier.
I need them to slow down.
Some twin fangs as well.
I need them to go back to Ultec
I need I need a break. I need Atlas G is yearning to make an appearance in these splits
If I don't you want to make sure they don't finish all the normal before yeah
Yeah, if dude the one tier after I retire if they don't let me do at least one split with them
I'll be so heartbroken. I'm sure that there will be splits next week that you can purchase. I know but it's not the same
It is not the same. It's not the same
That's what they might even get some helpers in for
Harder bosses as well. I would be shocked
I think next week will be a lot more about the bonus rolling.
Sure.
Yeah.
I think when you're reaching week two and you're seeing heroic splits on the menu.
It's about getting it done super fast.
Yeah.
You look at that and you're like, I don't even care.
Like, I don't want to do these to begin with.
Oh my God, why didn't you hit your item the first week?
I hate you.
Right.
You know?
So I doubt they're going to do anything that makes it even possible to wipe or less
efficient.
If anything, they'll probably just go in with the comfort of knowing that they
don't have to stress about the damage amps.
or image checks on the last two bosses, but I would be shocked to see them do it outside of Guild.
An interesting thing is that this time around,
main characters don't actually get stronger when we open our vaults in the most cases, right?
That will be a very weird feeling.
You're taking your bonus roll. Like, alts probably want to take a bonus roll,
but I bet in Liquid we'll probably take the item instead for the immediate power for the splits.
But for most players, you're taking a bonus roll on most of your characters out of most of
to your vaults this season, so you're going to not power up on Tuesday quite to the extent
that you used to.
I wonder if it really is like a difficult technical limitation to make it so if you have an item
it will just be taken off the bonus roll list, right?
Because I mean, imagine like you, like for example, like Coelthalter has like a bunch
of good loot, right?
And you, but your vault has one of its items, right?
It makes sense to be able to just take it.
Yeah, and if you bonus roll it next week,
you could both roll the same item,
and that is a bit of a disaster, yeah.
Yeah, and then you can take that item off of the loot list
for the next bonus roll on the following week.
Right.
Yeah, it's pretty, I think, hopefully,
I imagine this is something that'll be fixed
in like a .5 patch or something, right?
Uh-huh.
That it's not something they can just hot fix.
I don't think it would fix everything
with bonus rolls in the vault,
but it would fix some of the worst feeling
that people are gonna have this time around.
Cause right now it's like very parasitic, right?
If you take one bonus roll from your vault,
all your future bonus rolls get better.
And if you take any item from your vault,
all your future bonus rolls get worse.
Exactly. Imagine the feeling of it shows up in your vault
and you're not taking it because you don't want to waste
the opportunity of coining it later.
And then you show up week after week after week
and you're coining every single item except that
and never shows up in your vault again.
Oh my God, I would crash out.
For the most part, the good news is if it's the best item from that boss, you could just
take it and move your bonus roll somewhere else.
In a lot of cases, if you removed the best item from Ullatec or Coiled Altar, it might
change where you're going.
Now you're like, okay, I'll bonus roll Mythic Turtles or something instead.
Real bad day to be strength, Adjie.
Yeah.
You're looking at Coiled Altar and be like, give me everything.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, the tough part for some players as well is depending on how quickly you
make it to Mythic Coiled Altar, you could just roll the same thing on Heroic
at Myth 1 out of 6, and the next week you roll it after having upgraded it to
mid-six and now you're rolling at myth nine out of that same boss.
That makes for a good question that if you are going to bonus for a coil alter
maybe you hold off and see if you can kill it that week and then just drop it
there and get the nine out of six. Yeah if you can get to that boss early on mythic
although you know there are a lot of scary looking bosses between you and
mythic coil alter. I'd say for most people it's not a concern but maybe for
these guys it would be right. Yeah I don't think it's really a concern for
liquid either because I think coil alter dying next week is almost a given
Yeah, so they can definitely plan to bonus roll it on mythic. Yeah, but everybody else is like
Yeah, I imagine the question is seven week week 14
I imagine the question is gonna be like who needs to bonus roll
Ultec, that's that's really the only bonus roll. I think most people I know are currently planning on a doing that over
Yeah, cool. Oh there's like yeah arms warriors. Yeah, I'm holy DK's
maybe blood decay is that kind of stuff. I have a bone to pick with whoever's
running this split. Uh-huh. Massive bone. Why are they moving the boss? Oh, yeah.
Oh man. Alice has perfected this boss. The former rape leading of splits in me is
getting irrationally angry seeing this. What are you guys doing? You want to just fight
the boss in the in purple orange all the time? Yeah, like the basic bit of
this boss is he empowers himself based on where you position him in the
room, right? You don't want to empower the same altar over and over again.
and when you cast them by it does a bunch of damage
and you keep empowering the same one.
But normal doesn't hurt.
So you can actually just keep them completely stationary
at the beginning of the room and just leave the fun little funnel
ads right on top of them and not have to move
and worry about these split ads.
Whoever's leading this one,
they got this guy moving all over the place.
Okay, hear me out.
This is closer to the exit towards Twin Fangs
than the entrances.
So by doing some of the movement during boss combat,
they're shaving some seconds off after the boss dies.
But is it more efficient than standing completely still?
That is a good question.
I mean, we've got enough death grips to bring the orange adds over here.
Personal beef.
He's going to get cleaved down here, and it's close.
It is close for sure.
Completely unnecessary personal beef.
The best kind.
The most fun kind of beef.
He's leading it.
Is that Zevi?
Oh, man.
I have to have a word with him later.
How much do boss strats get to be dictated by the leader
of a specific split versus, you know, passed down on you from max or the analyst or whatever
that's like and decided by everybody where it's like, hey, here's how we're doing normal
Vashnik and splits. And here's how we're telling the helpers to help.
I think there's a general plan for most of the bosses that have like points of failure.
Okay. But when it comes to something like normal Vashnik, you can do whatever you want.
Yeah, it's pretty much up to you. And I was leading my splits. I would basically
just do my own thing. And I had a record, you know, going for I think five tiers
in a row of the fastest splits.
Wow.
Yeah, not to toot my own horn.
It was just a matter of fact.
But yeah, you just find innovative ways
to shave off a little bit of time.
My splits would finish sometimes like 20, 25 minutes early.
We'd just go like hang out.
Sounds great, man.
That kind of a thing.
Let's go, T.H.G.
Your splits finish fast?
Yeah, you remember you were in my split once.
Yeah, I know.
But I'm part of Pebble.
Don't know.
You're talking for your breaks.
You see what they're doing on Vashnik?
You guys doing this?
They're already in our normal round, around the room, man.
Oh, we just sit in one time.
Yeah, you sit at the beginning, right?
And you don't move, yeah.
Yeah, that's our group, Pebble Dunk.
Pebble Dunk.
But guess what?
You know how I came up with that shred?
How?
Well, I could see the whole room because of my Zenis.
Really?
Yeah.
There's a 30 brought to you by those specific ones?
That's right.
I was like, why would you go that far
when you could just sit right here?
True.
And that's what the Pebble Dunks did.
And guess what?
With my Zenis at tl.gg slash zenny.
If you use code RWF, you get up
25% how much is that up to 25% 25% oh my god it is a crazy deal you need to
save those pennies for zennie oh yeah no better use of your penny than spend it
on some zennie that's right there you go and what are you up to jet not wearing
any zennies that's for sure I think that's a mistake holding me back yeah
I mean this whole desk this whole day we know I get these guys some zennies
This is a complete crime, I have them on my desk actually, I don't have them on right
now, but the next time I show up to cast and you're coming up to do the good word of preaching
the word of Zennie, I will make sure to have them.
That is great that you at least have them on your desk, ready to go at any time.
I would literally never go anywhere without them.
But, but, yeah, it is a big mistake to be here without them.
Fill me in again, what's the code?
Uh, RWF at teal.gg.
And how much percent?
Uh, 25, up to 25% off.
Ridiculous.
At teal.gg slash Zennie with the code RWF.
Yep.
Wow.
Yeah, so my dread knows you're here too, man. I gotta get I gotta get those any's on yeah. Yeah, he needs them
We're gonna go get lunch. It's gonna be great and there'll be more split runs guys huge content
I know everyone's hyped at the bottom. TG. How many more?
normals
Yeah, keep it real. No, actually, do you know I'm trying to get them I think it's four
Yeah, okay, good save the number after five. I don't think that's happening. No just put it in an official word
they'll understand. I'll try. Yeah, I'll try. That's a good word of heretical tech for a little bit.
Yep. Yep, and the Y in the Y's words of CHD. Yep. Yep. All right, so the Raiders are now all going
to lunch. In the meantime though, we are going to check out some of your pets and transbogs
thanks to your donations. So up first, we have Flynn, the dog from Fate645.
We'll get to take a look at momentarily we've got some cats now
Oh, I've been waiting for some cats
Here it is. Oh
That's like a professional grade photo shoot looking that is yeah. Oh, he's so polite. Look at him. He sits so still for a photo
He's so well behaved. Now. Is that a small dog or a large ornament that we've got?
Oh, I'm trying to try to I think it's a larger. I'm using the car for reference
It'd be weird if they had a super miniature car, you know
Yeah, yeah, but how far in the background is that right? Yeah, I question it very well could be a gigantic dog in a gigantic ornament
Yeah, can't rule that out very very much a possibility incredible
Thank you so much fate now
We have some others as well that we can take a look at to again tl.gg
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On stream up next we have Corvo the cat
we can take a look at
from a
Mavalith let's see some cats. Yeah
Lexing some cats. I like seeing the the strange ones like the non-standard animals. Yeah, the off meta animals too
I want to say some orange tabby got an off meta one coming later. I won't spoil it, but uh, ooh
We've got some cats on the way first
Here is oh
That oh
That one's got a, uh, what an absolute gentleman.
What a gentleman. Yeah. Oh my God. No funny business from Corvo at all.
Incredible.
He manages like a robust business. I know that.
Just dapper, dude. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah.
Very, uh, very polite looking cat as well.
He seems like the kind of guy that would cold call you for, uh, one of those little sticks.
Yeah, sort of, I get some middle management vibes, you know.
He's got he's he's selling some some some shoes some mittens your cats make too much noise
That's what he opens his cold calls with he seems like a bit corporate
But not so high up to the point where he's like out of touch, you know
He's he's in tune with the spirit of the company itself
He's like the pleasant cubicle co-worker you look forward to seeing every single day
Yeah, like a good boss, you know, yeah
Yeah, he's out the water cooler like complimenting you and asking you how your weekend's going
Yeah, it's lapping up some water from the bowl. That's right. Yeah
We left Corvo incredible. I've got a 5 a.m. Meeting with my my food bowl
Yeah, and now you get to as well
Yeah, we love Corvo. I I'm so glad that we're getting some cats on the broken. That's good. Absolutely. Yeah, here is
We've got midnight and Ella here for Tina
Yeah, it would be weird if the one on the bottom is midnight, right? Yeah, I think midnight
I've got a deduction from the fur color on hunt of which one might be midnight
Yeah, which and then by the process of elimination I figured out which one Ella might be as well
Spiritually, I feel like these two cats aligned with me and jet very deeply. Oh, yeah
Mm-hmm. I see you guys in that exact pose also often in the cast of room. Yeah. Oh, I'm really thank God
It's in a separate room where nobody can really see it. Although it is a transparent fish bowl
Yeah, thankfully with all those full-length windows and door like last doors. Yeah, we'd be cutting up in the back
Yeah, we're sorry. No shame. No shame. And then I know I yeah, like super super company look like you know best friends as well
Yeah, though feel like I assume midnight is taking a little bit too much of the
It's not like like there's open cat bed space there that Ella could go into. Yeah, but yeah chooses instead this
picture reminds me of
This is gonna sound a little weird, but it's a TikTok or it's a Twitter video of a cat
That is being recorded as it's smelling the feet of another cat with its eyes closed
You've got an interesting for you and then and then and then the cat opens his eyes and realizes it's being recorded
And then slowly pulls away and like looks away from the camera
It's maybe the funniest like short-form cat video I've ever seen in my life. That is a high bar
Yeah, there's a lot of strong funny. It's so funny
I can't say I've seen that one.
You have to find it.
Are you somebody who's able to find these old, like, ticktocks or short form videos and then
send them to people or do you just, like, remember them and hope you see it again someday?
A little bit of both.
Problems is sometimes a lot of them just, like, disappear off of the place of the earth
and it's kind of hard to find.
Oh!
Alright, here's a penguin.
Oh!
This is from Indica and certainly a real penguin, Steve here, Indica as well, who
donated a hundred and fifty dollars as well I know it's a totally real penguin
but what is that real penguin made of I'm sure it kind of looks like yeah
Legos but I that's a visual like the texture of it is like an optical
illusion yeah yeah this penguin and they do that to blend in in the Antarctica
Lego store not to roast you but he needs some lotion in his life he's looking a
little dry he is yeah a little bit well it maybe been out of the water for a
while. Yeah, the penguins, I've seen some documentaries where they have to, you know,
cross the glaciers and stuff to get to the water. Yeah, they're funny though, guys. Yeah.
It's got some interesting feet, too. They're like purple little hot dogs. Yeah, they are. Yeah, I think that might be pretty
realistic. I've seen, they've got some funny feet. And some happy feet as well, I've seen as another
documentary about penguins. Not as business dressed as Orvo was, but kind of has the same
meaner you know yeah similar vibe I don't know if you guys are like feeling that as much but he
seems like a business professional hmm yeah no nonsense in this picture from him yeah I'm getting
a little bit of you know maybe some hubris or a loofness from the maybe it's just the upturned
beak yeah it's like he's turning his nose up like he's got a secret and he's not gonna tell you
what it is yeah he's like you know he's aware that he's English right a little cheeky yeah
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so there's been some of our pet donations, TL.GG, slash donate $30 or more.
We'll get a pet horror transmog shown or discussed on stream as well as housing too if you want to
go to WowHousing. But here's Rio from LevelClap. That's a good username as well, LevelClap.
I like that. But yeah, here's Rio with the orange bandana as well. Living adventurous. Absolutely.
Real looks like a bit of a wild boy, you know, like he he behaves well. Oh, yeah
Oh, I doubled that on what I just said. Yeah, he looks like he likes that fun
Yeah, it's a new bandana as well there not in like a mischievous way that like, you know is disrespectful
But he's he's got some energy to him. Yeah, he's got a little bit of character. Oh my god. Yeah
This charisma. Oh, yeah, this is a dog who knows himself, you know
Mm-hmm. He knows a good run around the dog park, you know and so polite and happy in this pitch
Also, what a diva is that his lashes or is that his ear behind him? I think it's lashes
I think that might be the tail part of the ear
From this angle it might yeah, it might be it looks like he's just got
Maybelline on you know is that another been another new unique bandana or is that just a fur?
That looks like cloth. No, that's his look, you know. Yeah, he's a bandana fan.
Oh, that's an action shot. Yeah, the LeBron James of Dogs. If you don't know, LeBron James was the Michael Jordan of basketball.
Yep. Frank is gonna come over here and be you up for saying that. Yeah, you can't make fun of basketball near a Danish man
Who thinks that he's American?
So I've learned it's you know
Touchy subject with that guy
There's the after a nice hard one hard one game there just throwing it in when B is long and wrong and you know it in your soul
Oh, he's smiling. He's laughing. Oh, you're procted. Yeah, he's getting a little flustered drawn thread the name plates are flashing red
Yeah, well I play tank now I can handle the threat. Yeah
Atlas is 5-4 and see now he's just lying because he's mad
that's good yeah yeah so uh Raiders is still on lunch we do have some uh further content
though that we will be providing you during this lunch break as well one thing also that
we might uh you might the eagle eye to money might have noticed we've got some paint brushes
and a palette that are spawned in in front of us as well mech chameleon we've got some
more 3d printed mecha chameleons that we have you guys any mech I haven't hit one
yet. No, I've done a fair share of painting, but I haven't painted one of these yet.
Okay. Do you guys go to the Bob Ross? Yeah. I've only come one of the Mecha Chameleons.
Have you seen? I've seen. Yeah, they're remarkable. I mean, Jets is just the
yeah, it really captures your stand up. He's for sure. Oh, oh my God. PhD cat.
Wow. This can be an iconic, iconic one from last race. Yeah. Yeah.
that THD cat. That's a great name for a cat, THD cat.
Yeah. Also a diva of a cat. You know what I mean? That almost thinks like with its pose.
Actually very evocative of THD, a spirit animal connection I could see with THD for sure.
I do like the pose, the relaxation in front of the poster.
Yeah, nice background as well, a little bit of the bricks
as well.
And you'll see Atlas sort of looking around a little bit.
What are you guys?
I'm trying to figure out where we're going to put that.
And my guy is doing a funky little split.
OK.
So I'm trying to find a good place to paint this guy.
Mine's in like a fetal.
Oh yeah, see, this is one of the metaposes.
That's the classic, really.
I guys get freaky with it, you know?
That's one of the like stylish showing metaposes, yeah.
That's why I was looking around.
I was like, where in the world do I get
to fit a guy who's got these splits?
Yeah, that's tough.
There's not an awful lot of...
I'm trying to find something that's...
We can adhere it to the wall if you want.
Like we can stick it, I think.
We have sticky material.
Okay.
So you could put it on a wall
and try and match the wall,
but it is a hard thing to do.
It's not an easy task a sticky thing would be fantastic for me my guy you have lucky your own palette. I don't we're sharing
Yes, sir. Okay, no worries. You don't have to apologize to me bud
I
Have to find a really creative sticky crotch situation for this guy. I think okay. This is what I'm gonna do
Let's do a little bit of the blue
Okay
I'm gonna see if I can guess where you're gonna place this by the the color choices that you're going. Oh, yeah
We got one guy just I just realized us now
We got a guy showing off in the middle of the set on top of this lamp. You see this crazy guy up here
Oh, why didn't you notice see that thing? That's the thing with mech a chameleon is you know?
But I guarantee you most of chat did not notice that that was not just like part of the land not the single amount
But yeah, he's just in plain sight. Yeah, that's how you hide
I've been here for the hours and I haven't seen and then you get a lot of thumbs up at the end when everybody
When you get to like laugh at all your friends for not seeing you so when you're that well-hidden
If you don't have any black paint, you can get a glob of black paint somewhere.
There, see on the screen if you look where I'm pointing, just down at the front of the table.
There, we've got one hidden in the grass. That was mine.
I'm getting it. Artistic contribution here. A little bit less I'd say.
Well done, but yeah, you're starting off with a little bit of blue on yours, Jack.
I want to go for a darker blue, but I think we're getting the black paint here soon, so.
Yeah, you can always do a little bit of blending on the palette.
We've got, I think, water in that cup as well if you need.
Yeah.
I'm not an art scientist, so I'm not 100% sure what the best way.
What are you guys, do you guys have any background in painting anything?
I took intro to art in high school and I got a C minus.
Oh, yeah, this is a traumatic story for him.
Yeah, well, we've got plenty of stories, but, you know, not a time for right now.
But the short version of it, yeah, is they just graded us an intro to art on how
good we were, and guess who sucked?
It was me.
It's kind of unfair because it feels like intro to art should be you should be expected for it to be introductory and not know
What you're doing right? Oh, absolutely, but she was so unbelievably mean to she would look at your hard work and be like this sucks
You need to do better. I expect more of you
We have a bonus color procking here perf the little brown perhaps. It's black a little black. Okay. Nice. Oh, I use too much black though
This is happening. It's interesting. There's no mistakes. There's happy little accidents when you're doing
Yeah, I'm truly conflicted. I have no idea where to start
Oh
Little bit more blue. Let's put on a little a base coat of some color. Yeah, I think that's what we're gonna adjustments
I think we're that's what we're gonna go for. Okay. Let's adding a little bit of green a little bit
I got the blue that I wanted. Oh
To have with a beautiful navy hue there perhaps going for a couch hide
Somewhere maybe the wall
I'll issue that I guess I'm gonna get paint on my fingers. We're just fine. That's okay unavoidable
battle scars of the artist of course
you know you don't have to actually do the whole figure as well you just have to
do the part that will be visible from the angle you're gonna hide it at yeah one
of the things in game that people often do is they just paint from one angle and
then they're blatantly obvious from a lot of other ones yeah exactly so I'm
trying to get like the fringes of it yeah so that way it's not
immediately obvious and I will need to stick it because I don't think this
work otherwise yeah we have some like uh like blue tack or something yeah for uh for that purpose
tape even might uh might suffice they're not too heavy a nice little 3d printed mecha
chameleons you know it'd be so clutch right now if someone could grab a napkin where the
brush is dry off oh yeah here you go they were one step ahead of you yeah even better than
i could have anticipated they're already here thank you i wonder if the uh these mecha chameleon
figures might be the most 3d printed items of all time like since the games
come out I bet I bet they're up there oh is it like a big thing that people do
these three I've seen a lot of like hidden mecha-chameleons out in the world
ever since the game kind of blew up yeah that's the water cup right yeah that
was water okay I think I'm pretty much done really wow yeah I mean you you're
just you're fishing with your painting that's for sure it's not efficiency it's
more like I just play things fast and lose you know yeah well when I think of
fast and usually there to dry and then we can hide it once it is dry trying to get paint on our
all of our furniture yeah a nice navy blue curled up guy mm-hmm though now i'm looking at it from
this camera angle i might i could see a spot where you could put a little more yeah perhaps yeah
but it's tough because you kind of have to hold the the wet parts to get access to those parts
you know what i'm gonna do i'm gonna leave it here and then i'm just gonna paint it from this
single so something they don't teach you an intro to art oh yeah all right Atlas
what are you up to over there so I've got a base layer of black and then I've got
a little maroonish brown thing going and I'm trying to hit like a little uneven
distribution of both okay I'm not gonna say where I'm putting mine good that'll
be up to you the viewers to search for but I'm trying to hit a specific shade
and uneven distribution so that it actually fits where I want it to.
And yet you're adding to the currently un-painted sides of yours,
make a little bit more from all angles.
Yeah, this is actually working out pretty well because you're moving around
and you can do a little inspection.
Yeah, a little optical pattern.
Yep, go ahead, yep, take whatever you need.
Yeah, I think your pose Atlas is one of the hardest to succeed with there on the sky.
Yeah, this guy's doing a funky little move, so I gotta find somewhere fun for him.
You already decided or you're gonna...
I have a very, very good idea of where this guy's going.
Okay.
I just have to actually try to put him there and see if it works.
Okay.
And I might tweak it after.
I think I'm good.
Alright.
That probably takes a few minutes to dry.
Yeah, Atlas holding by one leg, although soon we'll be out of places to hold the figure
when you actually need to paint that leg.
Yeah, I might have to go with the Atlas or the jet tech of keeping it on the pallet.
Yeah, I'm gonna figure out, much like jet, I'm loose and open to flexibility just
like this guy.
But I'll figure that out once I get there.
That's a problem for one minute from now.
Yeah, future Atlas would love to love to solve that one. He's great at those sorts of problems.
No, I don't know about great, but he's gonna accept what's given to him.
Yeah.
He's zen about the possibilities.
Might throw some curses to past Atlas along the way.
Oh man, we've we really got a lot.
This is going to be a long broadcast, given how long these bosses are taken.
I can go through each and every one of my ridiculous stories of the curse throughout my time here.
The curse.
Oh, are you not initiated?
I don't I'm not familiar.
Okay, so I live a cursed life. I have been subject to maybe the most horrible excruciatingly
hilarious situations anyone could ever fathom. And throughout the course of my life, I've just had
disastrous things happen to and around me all the time. I look forward to getting the compendium.
I've lived a fun life. And here's the fun part, there's always room for more. Yeah.
Something horrible can always be waiting for me. What scale of curse we're talking about
My ears is like paralyzed from the neck down randomly getting a rare disease school shooting, you know almost dying during birth
I see so there's a real not like oh
No, no, this is some real shit. I see my sense of humor is exclusively forged in the fires of trauma Wow
This guy's a fucking downer says this I am chat
That's good.
I take it with a smile. Okay, alright.
Yeah, I nearly don't except for that last little bit of the leg.
Well, here's the thing though. This is my base layer. So...
Yeah. Oh, you're going to add... This is just the start.
Yeah, this is the test run of where... Do I have to place it now, or are we...
No, you got time. I've got time.
Let it dry.
Yeah. Let it dry and then...
So, I don't realistically think that my mechomelion guy will be entirely dead.
I basically think that my Mechamilion guy will be entirely done in this segment.
Okay. Are you on the next shift?
I am in the next shift. So in between the two, I'm going to fine tune it.
Wow. And then you're off the shift, but yours should be dry pretty soon, so.
Yeah. Once it dries up, I'll all stick out. We'll need like a little sticky thing, I think.
Okay. Awesome.
Yeah, our set's going to be full of these by the end of the race.
The last finishing touches there from Atlas on his.
Yep. And this guy can dry for now.
All right, let that thing dry and we'll come back to it later.
In the meantime, we have one more bonus kitty here.
No name, but cute.
Oh, got a little jersey on.
Yeah.
Very nice.
Oh, yeah, I was about to say, is that a Ram's jersey,
but I couldn't tell.
It's the St. Louis Blues of the NHL.
I've detected with my keen eye for hockey jersey.
You're familiar with the St. Louis Blues, Dratnos.
And it being told to me by production.
I was just about to ask, who's
favorite player on the St. Louis Blues? Jordan Bennington.
And your second favorite? Okay, now we've run out of one
that production knows. Well, regardless, no name but cute is in fact cute.
This is my second favorite player on the... Yeah.
...Kitty. He's got like a kind of serious demeanor to him.
You know, no funny business around. Well, that's the thing about hockey players.
They're ready to start a fight at a moment's notice. Oh yeah.
Much like... Absolutely. The cat.
The humble cat he looks like he is ready. He's an enforcer. Yeah. Yeah, this is what it was like you you do a
Unfair check on one of the teammates and he's gonna come to get you right
He looks like he's used his litter box and his displays with the state of it being unkept
You know, he's looking his owner being like I have done my duty
Go clean after me or you know, I can see the bottom of the food bowl, right?
And it's like yeah, I'm happy about this. Absolutely not my food. No funny business around that. He runs a tight shift
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I'll give gift gift. Okay. Me too. Me too. Oh, if you're a jiff guy, yeah
I'm not nor my fan of the peanut butter either neither. Oh, yeah
Okay, no
Justin's peanut butter, right? That's what I like. I'm just not a peanut butter. Enjoy your penis. Not a fan of the butter
I'm a guy who likes butter as well. It's weird. You'd think the combo, but no
I'm a guy who likes peanut butter itself, but not peanut butter flavored things. Hmm, you know
You know butter flavored things are an abomination. It's just too much. It's an overwhelming flavor to be putting in things
Sounds like your palate is just not good. No, I just like delicacy in my life
I like something a little bit more salt. You got a little bit of a delicate tongue. Yeah. Oh, oh, yeah
What sorts of flavors do you like that?
Coconut's exclusively banned in most flavorings for me. I'm ruling out the things I don't like to tell you what I do like
That works.
A strawberry flavored thing is always nice.
Always nice.
Who are you going to be like?
Another band one.
No, no, no, no.
Fruit flavored things are fantastic.
You know, that's my go-to.
Anything fruit flavored, I'm a solid approver of.
It's hard to really say.
A nice caramel.
Ooh.
Fantastic.
Maybe a sea salt caramel.
See, that's like a stronger flavor I'm more settled with.
That's sophisticated.
Yeah.
something with richness, but not to the point where it overwhelms the other
flavors in it. I want things to be enjoyed in their parts. You know, everything
has a place. Peanut butter's problem, I'll go back to peanut butter specifically and
migrate with it, is no matter what you put with peanut butter, you taste peanut
butter. Right. Yeah. And that's just rude. Overpower. It's obnoxious. Yeah. Give a
little room for somebody else to shine. It insists upon itself. Yeah. And it
insists upon my tongue. And I don't like that. Unless I'm specifically trying
to have peanut butter then. Oh yeah. Let's get it. Fantastic. It has very
few complimentary flavors that work well with it you know jelly a jam a jelly a
honey oh peanut butter and honey fantastic but you have the right textures
for peanut butter to work hmm but this the strategy of us talking about food as
everybody's coming to lunch and then walking past us we got the food going by
makes me very hungry it's on my mind yeah you know
good lunch dude looking forward to a few more minutes on our break time I'm not
picky with anything I will eat anything and everything enjoy all flavors pretty
much yeah yeah well I guess the like jackfruit maybe is like a little weird
but it still tastes good I think it still tastes good the texture is very
weird that's like the people use that as like a pulled pork replacement right
for like vegetarian yeah yeah it's like a meat alternative for yeah oh it is a
very it is a very meaty fruit I mean it tastes good yeah ever have jackfruit
tacos they're delicious no but I can imagine it is they're so good yeah it's
like a very moist texture you know kind of like stringy and pulls apart a lot yeah
like pulled pork yeah it feels very gamey too yeah it's great yeah that's good
yeah if you just start thinking of it as like a meat plant maybe that'll help you
think about it as like a meat yeah root you know yeah yeah but in general I'm
not picky about anything yeah I try you know recently had to we had to try and
dodge the lettuce to avoid the outbreak.
Well, there's a new thing to dodge every week.
Yeah, it's nice.
You've got a little bit of mind
to paper with the various items of food that are
contained with things these days.
At times, you saw blueberries.
Yeah, blueberries.
No.
You get death.
Ah, I love blueberries.
I wonder if I love them enough to risk immediate death.
It's close.
So good blueberry pie.
Were you guys ever particular about your food touching
when you were kids?
Nope.
Like, uh, oh, putting them next to each other that like they could not touch and you had to like eat them separately
No, no, I don't want you. No, no, that's right. You
Just me neither. You need me neither. Yeah, I guess I didn't eat veggies as much when I was a kid
Of course, my palate like just has gotten, you know more and more open to like all kinds of foods
Yeah, as I got older, so I don't think against tomatoes. Oh, really? Absolutely no go as a kid
Yeah, I like ketchup, but yeah, I did not like raw to especially raw tomatoes, but even like cooks
Really? Oh to this day grapes make me nauseous. That's a full one
My mom when she was pregnant with me would eat pounds of grapes every day like giant
She think you went through your entire lifetime consumption of the grapes
I think my
Probably 95 percent of the nutrients I got through her and the local cord was from grapes
So I don't know what it is about them now, but like red grapes make me nauseous if I eat them
Okay, so you didn't have the grapes this morning
I'll pick every other fruit around it except grapes. Okay, so the red ones are bad. The red ones are bad
The green ones are like, okay, but I don't I'm not thrilled by them
You know, I'm not excited to have a great but like if it's there and screen great on fun with it
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Oh plastic literally plastic black temple preset with the artifact categories are fact Zalatap. Yeah
I'll give it a 7 out of 10 just because this is one of my favorite sets. It is a nice set.
Yeah, but you're you somebody who won't ever give like above a 7 or an 8 for a full set. Yeah, yeah, see but I'm but I'm not like as
Harsh it yeah, it's all you made it. It's just you want to leave the top scores exactly the true
You know combinations you have to respect the classic, you know, it's a great set. It's yeah looks fantastic
It's very put together, but at a certain point. It's also played out, you know
I mean this was not though. This one is like not as popular as it used to be
I mean it holds up. It does nothing. It's nothing flashy. It's because there are a lot of good presets
There are so many good ones recently as well. Yeah
The thing about the presets recently is like they all share the same color palette
So you can mix and match so well. Yeah, like the dark purple ones from the last few tiers and then why back into like
Aburus are so they're so interchangeable if you want to use that shoulders of one honestly helm of another the cool part
about this is I feel like it kind of like
Like a lot of presets follow this motif with the hood and then like some kind of halo effect
and then the shoulders have like faces on them.
It's like you see a lot of presets that are like this.
This is this was the blueprint.
This is a nice one for sure the the book combo as well with Salatapp I think does pretty
well.
I'll give that one a 7.
Yeah.
Yeah I think it's 7 solid.
I'm gonna go with an 8 as well.
I like always giving the higher grades than my co-casters so that people like me more.
Yeah, it's a good manipulation that I did.
Yeah, exactly.
I'm happy to degrade the integrity of the rating scale for ephemeral popularity.
Oh, here's the thing.
It's just an individual preference, right?
It's an individual rating.
Absolutely.
You can seem like you like them more, but I'd say it like I would.
Props for being honest about it.
Yeah, no true.
Also, props for metagaming it to that.
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Or could be green donuts. Whoa. Whoa
Never be in the middle between both bosses if you don't know you're doing you will most likely just die
Reinsided yeah red side second I just take over the split completely
It's my control inside for the green lines here. Careful the green lines. They will kill you if you stand in them
Everyone spread on the edges red if you so go to the edge to be against the wall and then go back out after
Yo green side, let's spread out a little bit for the intermischee
Yep, red you can also start spreading out a bit make sure nobody is near anyone be very very sure you're spreading
We have a lot of time to do this if you're a 3 1 count your green orbs
If you have 3 or 1 you're not moving at all do not move at all to under the boss to slowly go under the boss
You have a lot of time
Mogar you can move forward a bit go to the boss nice yeah yeah threes and one slowly connect threes go to a one
Jax you can talk no sir yeah you guys can meet up with the boss yeah yeah yeah
alright remember every time we do that be in a mission we have like 400 minutes
don't stress about doing it quick you'll check yo president they saw trying to
split us apart. Yeah I know I legit saw. It's been like this since like day one. Yep,
so 1984. Red side, goodness oh. Yeah bro. If you're ever searching multiple mushrooms,
most likely proper defensive, they do hurt quite a bit. Or take it slow.
Careful of the green lines, a lot of green lines on the green side here, don't get randomly
clapped up.
Lots of lines on the other side too, but your puddles along the old ones.
Green, we're going to nuke the sed, and then we're getting an intermission soon,
So, you ready to start spreading shortly?
Alright, everyone can start spreading. Use the room.
We have a lot of time to do this. Nobody move at the start.
Fred, don't be near anyone.
Okay, now, two, start moving slowly, very slowly.
Don't run through anyone.
Okay, three's and one's. If you see something, you can go slow.
go slow connect three is connected with the one
the pinks oh that's fine if you if you have that big ass orb go to the corner where the
pinks are does everyone go to the corner don't don't hit each other don't hit each other but
go to the corner no the mage and the dh can connect nice okay good thank you everyone else
else just go to your ad stay on your side yeah completely fine wash lines wash
lines are lost inside the game on the red we're gonna soak the we're gonna soak
the puddle here and then we'll go into the cubby drop it against the wall
careful the green lines never be in mid for no reason between both bosses
Red around the wall here, red.
Good.
getting another red soap we're going to put this one against the corners the
wall corners. You can soak this and then we'll all spread along the wall. Green
slap the side down, slap them down. Red we can spread around the wall here and
then we'll all go back in a bit. All right we can start spreading on red. Just
take up the room and use the room. Be very very slow. We have a shitload of
time to do this. Tears will move first. The reason ones don't move for
at least like five, 10 seconds to stay still.
Two's only moved next to boss.
The reason ones don't move, give time.
The reason ones can slowly start if you're near each other.
Very nice, good, perfect.
Right, we'll just fill up this back area first
on the first side.
You're always standing on the same side
of the car, the both of the car.
Nice, green, get ready to nuke the ad.
A lot of soaps, careful.
Second pot.
Make sure they get sucked up.
HG, can you arrest me?
Be arrest both?
Yeah.
Remember the second pot.
Watch HP, watch HP.
A lot of green lines here, Kara.
Red side is a personal here, he's defensive.
Green we're going to nuke the ad.
It's the last scary time of the fight on the red side if you get low, he's like a hellstonger, but...
Yeah, everyone spread, make sure nobody's near you.
Take it really slow here.
Two's first, you can start moving.
Three's and one's don't move at all.
Two's and one's, or three's and one's don't move at all.
Why didn't I get one?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Okay.
You're just across. You're fine.
Nice.
Nice.
Now we kill boss.
Okay.
Yeah.
Red we're going to soak.
And we can just grab it somewhere.
in the soak and we can just grab it somewhere next to the wall preferably, but it busts'll
die.
Try to get in the soak here, go go go, drop it against the wall, hello, hello, at the
high one, blood.
That will go on green.
Good job, Al.
Wow, that's a big hit, right?
Let's get a lot of trash here if you want the rare wall and then hug the left.
Good job.
Yeah.
Yeah, we got a nice little let's see Hunter shaman evoker piece.
You need.
Oh, no need. Legit zero needs.
Or.
Isn't that a bank tell you that from Bob.
Oh, I don't know.
the unexpected.
The expected, as Nick says.
Yeah.
Nick, you're a legit third smart defender group, brother.
Who's the first and second?
I think I'll tell you.
That sucks.
It's nice to be you, Barrett.
Make sure to nuke the behemoth here.
This is going to get real awkward real fast.
Oh, yeah.
That's getting real awkward real fast.
That's fine.
We're just going to the top.
Run to the top, pop your speed boost, we're going to the top and having fun.
Oh, we've been here before.
Yep.
We've legit been here before.
Try to be on the side of the doorway and not the stairs.
You don't really get knocked down the stairs again.
But also, if you want to go flying, the case help grip shit into the group.
We got a lot of extra shit coming up, but that's fine.
We've been there before.
Been there before.
The group best gets this, by the way.
Just, oh, no, that's not good.
Not good.
Don't even think about it.
That's not fun.
Don't even think about it.
Defensive, defensive.
Everyone live.
Good job.
Or pop some stunts, pop some stunts.
You can't remember.
Any time you got a grip, you can grip one of those guys up.
We got a couple totems on the way down, is that Joe?
Heather's spitting on someone coming up, right?
This is Joe.
The main thing is that we should never
fight at the bottom of the stairs.
That's how we get all this stuff.
Then some people kind of ran up a little early.
Get hit by a wave you get sent to trash. It's like a big knock
I'll get on fighting the totems right now
dang
The five million speed totem
Yeah, I mean that's all right
Fighting two moms in the last boss room
Alright, we'll have the totem killers do their job.
Holy shuck, you got moves there.
Yay.
I really don't think they're themselves with the trash.
Agreed.
Office immersive usually.
defensive nope not a bad stunt it not a bad one there really good chaos nova oh
wait there's only one beach oh no there's let them drill but he is the
bower so obviously is that a range color that arrange you I was trying to give
credit anyone that did a green green-looking son there good job yeah
probably not the
Truddle in if you get something you can delete it or sell it. Yep
Don't reset your in this case we still know
We're gonna start the fight
I'm going down don't don't go in there mate. I'm swimming. Oh
You're a frog
I could break and call you taking damage.
Thank you.
I think everyone's here.
Should be good.
Yeah.
Yep.
Yeah, we are about to go guys.
Just remember on this fight, the main thing you want to do is every a couple of people are going to get a little like X on them.
That's green.
You want to make sure none of those lines.
Holy.
Good night kid.
You want to make sure we can rest.
Make sure none of the lines are aiming through the boss, and then everyone else will go under
boss to be safe.
So you'll see it right here.
If you have one of these, get out and make the boss safe.
Don't aim any line through the boss.
Everyone else be under boss, it should always be safe.
Okay, nice.
And now, DK's, if you can help grip the orange adds, the Venoms that are far, everyone
else we're going to hit boss.
Nice, and soak these, soak these green things, this is going to happen a lot this fight,
we need to soak all of them every time.
Get these reds in, get these reds in.
Get out with these greens, get out with these greens, everyone else under boss, aim
the lines away from boss.
All you gotta worry about.
Pull Rathopena.
Okay.
Did you like that shit?
Yeah, it's really good.
I realized that was a loon like five seconds less than I thought.
Alright, soaks, soaks, soaks.
After this, we're gonna do a big move.
Oh, yeah.
Here's...
I probably got some updates that I can...
Thank you.
Yeah, we're moving.
Ooh.
So...
We're gonna get green lines here.
Get ready.
If you get one of these, you're moving away.
Make sure none of them are aiming through boss, everyone else under?
Okay, we're gonna get some nice little red.
You got Talonman max on that class?
You need taunt check?
Yeah, everything.
We are about to go over to purple.
Decays if you can help grip the orange over.
I'm gonna mark one.
Yeah, try to get x all the way over and the other one you can keep it there for now.
Go stun her.
Oh, just grip one of them just only here.
Yep, good. Okay, sops, sops, sops, a couple of far ones.
They changed the red voln on this to only three seconds.
Yay.
Designing the boss right before we do it.
Okay, get ready to get it. If you get the green lines, you want to move away, make the boss safe.
Everyone else under?
I'll bet Leif, but it does not work.
That was a nice resource.
It's annoying as fuck.
job scared by what okay we're gonna do yeah but i didn't have to wait so i'd
circle oh mine works yep the fucking way this
so it comes were you on top of the did you have the wave
to see yeah all right doing a little move here
we saw it without the lines that's going to line out everyone else under
Make sure the boss is safe. Don't aim any through the boss.
I love facts.
I think I want to see if you can stay next to someone that doesn't kill you.
Yeah.
There are the puddles on the ground.
That works under P.
No clue.
Okay nice dude.
All right when this happens we're going to have range go to the ping and kill red.
Everyone else follow the boss, hit boss and cleave these down.
Alright, nice.
Soaks, soaks, soaks.
Okay, we're going over to the reds to keep these red circles under, boss.
We can get DK grips on the reds.
Nice.
We're just day-weeing.
Get the greens out.
else under, make sure boss is safe, all right, we'll be able to be as just us in
group one and then everyone's so we're gonna do a move after this.
Okay, we're moving, and then we're going to get the green, green lines here.
Get ready to run out, get out, make the boss safe, everyone else under.
After this, get close for the reds, good.
Careful the puddles under us, puddles, puddles, stand in them, we're good.
Okay, we're going to have DK's, I'm going to mark one, it has to make it all the
way, the other one can be like halfway.
On check.
Yeah.
Boom.
There's three second ones.
Boom.
Okay, sex, sex, sex.
All right, spread with these, get out, get out, make the boss safe.
Okay, after this, we're going to get a set of soaps, and then after the soaps, we'll
do a move.
Soaps right here, moving after.
Okay, moving.
Okay, this next one is going to be get out with these, get out these, make the boss safe.
Everyone else under?
Care for puddles?
They know we're good.
Now get ready, DK's, you're going to grip the orange ones over.
They're pretty far.
Try to get them as close as you can.
Nice, good job.
Everyone stack up.
You can pop all defenses here.
Pop everything you got left.
depends if you got left here. Big damage, walk your health, get out with these circles.
Nice, make the boss safe, everyone else under.
Good job.
Hey.
Hey.
Hey.
Yeah, Res for Drnaco.
I can do.
Bum-bunny.
Oh, yeah!
Click there.
We're going to click that.
We're just going to go.
Yeah, don't need.
Don't need.
Don't need.
Everyone jump.
Yeah, I don't need no need everyone jump and jump down
More fun to click it stress. Whoa. Yeah, it is kind of
Why have we put that every run oh
We need to give the other group a chance to still be in the running. It's legit fun to click every run. Yeah, that's true
Yeah, is your cold hands reset nice?
Nice.
You literally got something to do.
It's like a little break.
Yeah.
Let's try it.
Oh, everyone can take this.
Walk over it and then go.
Hey, someone had a problem with the circle.
It shows up sometimes when people don't have it.
It was showing without the debuff, but it also showed like the wrong time, like it was
too quick.
Yeah, I'll check that.
I get teams that work on it.
I think on the very last set it up in a me as well.
Yep, same.
It's like, if you get ticked by it, maybe it's cause yeah, it's like, if you stand on someone, I think that gets it. It goes, but you get like tank PV like I never get debuffed, but I'm getting the circle of people are on me.
Like the timer of it.
up some of us keep them moving. Yep. It's going to be a two target fight mostly. And
if you ever see a box near you, you want to don't stand in it as it's spawning, but when
it's spawned, you can run through it and it will give you a bleed. I don't have to
take more than like two of them usually just go for one or two every time.
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for the Team Liquid Raceful First, and we just got to $10,000, which means that we
We will be releasing the video that we filmed earlier this week with hopeful Shaquib and fired up
Did either of you guys get to see a little preview of that? No, I haven't seen it yet
I'm very excited
I had the pleasure of watching them while they were filming it and it is it
I don't know how they topped last years if you guys saw the one that they did last year where it was just hopeful and fired up
They they made it worse one of them was blindfolded
hopeful literally had a gagged his mouth
and
Then Shaquib had like big headphones on so if you guys want to see that trying to film trying to cook something
basically tune in to the end of this segment and we will be playing it during dinner.
So thank you guys for helping us get to $10,000.
Also, donations are being matched by raid bots as well up to $7,500.
So there's still some rest at XP left on the raid bots donation matches.
And then after that, I'll be a Warcraft Vlogs dash Archon.
Yeah, we've got some great incentives along the way as well.
We've got the big milestones we're working towards, including
Caster's leg shaving at $30,000.
But there's also individual rewards, right?
If you donate $30 or more, we will show off your pet transmog or wowhousing images on stream
at some point.
Yeah.
Correction, is it shaving or waxing?
It's waxing.
Sorry, waxing.
Waxing is not nearly punishing.
Yeah.
I know it's going to dodge responsibility here.
Yeah.
We're inflicting more pain than just the normal shaving.
Okay.
It'll be fun.
We're going to be doing that.
Has anybody volunteered it?
Obviously, I can't do it because I don't have any hair on my legs.
I'll do it.
Well, that'll make it easier for you.
I can start growing out right now.
Yeah.
I don't think that would be as exciting.
Okay, so you're doing it.
Yeah, and this is gonna be quite painful for me
because of...
Oh, gosh, yeah.
Not a hairless leg.
Can we zoom in on that?
That's a decent amount of it, yeah, here.
Keep you warm in the winter?
Yeah, and in summer, unfortunately.
Yeah.
Alice, what about you?
You shave your arms for your tattoo, right?
I do shave the arms for the tattoo,
but I'm opting out of the leg shape.
Opting out of the leg shape.
Leg wax, even.
Leg wax.
These legs are on display a lot,
and I can't deal with the shame
of walking around with them on the leg.
With the one rectangle of, yeah.
That's fair.
Fair.
Reminds me of a 40 year old virgin.
Yeah, he gets just like nipples waxing like I'm not doing.
You don't want to look like that. I think that's reasonable.
All right. Well, should we should we volunteer somebody?
Maybe on the behalf.
Sure. Well, we can do a little boy.
I think it should be something that everybody enters into willingly.
Consensual waxing. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I'd like to claim also my mech chameleon has officially been hidden on set.
It is visible on this shot right now.
Do we both know where it is?
I know where it is.
I cheated a little bit.
Yeah, I know where it is.
It's well hidden though.
I was impressed.
It's one of the better hidden ones I've seen.
Do you know if Jets is somewhere around as well?
I believe Jets has also placed somewhere.
In front of us or behind them?
It's somewhere in the shot, right?
It's somewhere in the shot.
I'm not going to give any hints.
I cannot be liable to tell you where it is,
but that's a fun game for the viewers to figure out.
Whenever you're on this shot,
see how many Mecha Communions you can find.
We've got several of them now around the shot somewhere.
We've got to do it better.
But Ironic says that there's one right in front of us, too,
that there would be a really obvious one right in front of us.
I found Zyros, yeah, in the last shift.
I'll leave it to you to find it.
I don't want to spoil the surprise, but it is actually maniacal.
It is a crazy, crazy thing to do.
And I did not notice it the entire time it was there.
Is it this?
Yes.
Yeah, that's a good one.
It's right on top of the lantern.
Wait, that is really good.
Yeah.
That is really good.
Looks like a lantern handle, very, very nice one.
Yeah, he chose not to not to blend in but in fact to sort of add to something that's the best way to do it
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that is really smart. Okay, your eyes just pass over it. Yeah. I found everybody's but jets
Do I get a hint? No
That's the fun in it. Yeah, I got any days to find it. You're right. Mm-hmm many days
Yeah, we know his was blue somewhere. So it's dark. It's dark is blue. Oh, that's a hint. Okay. Is it on the floor?
could be
It would feel cheap to put it on the floor. It would. Yeah, it'd be dangerous, right?
It's like pretty likely that it's gonna get kicked around somewhere. What else is dark blue, though?
Hmm.
Hmm.
Could be anywhere. Well, we have more to paint also for every thousand dollars.
There are more little guys that we can paint for mech and chameleon. This is the best one.
This is my favorite. Yeah, that's one. The monster bottle.
But we can do more of those for every thousand dollars if you go to telnetgg.com donate.
Also, um, I've been told that it's behind me somewhere back there somewhere
I saw it a little warmer. I found it
But I knew where to look I heard him talking about where he was gonna put it
So there's literally no idea Kalamazee
Oh, I see it
It's in the box
It's right there. It's on the horse. It's on the horse. Yeah, that's a good one. That is a nicely hidden one
Wow nice color match
Okay, I think we have a little breakfast with the the lunch there, but that's when he came in lunch was really good today
It was as nice was a beef bulgogi with rice
Mm-hmm, and then there was a big tray of roasted vegetables and by the time I went over there
They were all gone. Yeah, that at the end of uh, you you miss it. It's gone. That's how the lunch works
And it's uh, what's that good? Yeah, but the vegetables I feel like I'm surprised that they got taken
There is I believe takeout tonight as well. I think tonight is the it is yeah
order food. So I think yeah, very exciting stuff. But Chef Josephine
always cooking up delicious meals for the Raiders here. And that means that they
will be getting back into the splits soon. So kind of an overview of sort of
everything that's happened early, early this morning. We had the world first
Uletek kill on heroic from the Chinese build still water. It was a clear
water. One of those still water. I've heard of both ways. Yes. When I
first thought it was just a bunch of Chinese characters. So but
Congratulations to them and then we got some will attack her old kills as well. And now we're moving Alice back into normal splits
Yes, which I hopefully
Want to see them stop doing yeah get back into her old cool tech. I'll say this every single time
I want to be in there helping them. I want one run final by wind walker to make an appearance
And they just seem to be blasting these out and not giving me the opportunity to kind of looks like your little mecca chameleon guys
Oh
This is like if you know after in the mecha million after a couple minutes the gate the rounds over right so if you haven't found it by now
Here's where it is. He's gonna slide down on the log
Yeah
Trying to get my finger look at the back of the frame. It's very hard to reverse
He's gonna watch up on the branch, but there's no other way to really hide him in there. Thank you
Well, yeah, yeah, and then something you were saying before we win live Alice was like the vibe of the guild is a little bit better
than you were expecting?
Well, I don't know better.
OK.
That's subjective.
You know what I mean?
By now, when you're looking down the barrel of Friday splits,
the psychosis sets in.
You're expecting these guys to just be hooting and hollering
and making all sorts of crazy noises.
You know how they are as a group.
They're just a ridiculous group if you may.
And they like to have fun.
We heard our first audible noise from them the entire week.
Yeah, right.
just now before we got on cast. Yeah, which either means one of two things. One,
they are in the dark depths of despair and they are not having a good time. Or two,
they're very focused on what they're doing.
I think they're locked in because, you know, the weeks that I could think of in
the past where there's been long amounts of splits, it's often been just
because like there's a lot of prep to do, right? There's just a lot of
bosses. There's a lot of chores to do, that kind of thing. Yeah. You
know, the heroic weeks as well, where you just are doing stuff for so
long. But this time around, there's more time spent in splits because the bosses are harder,
right? Because the actual content is quite difficult, even on Heroic. And that, I think,
means that it's not the case of like, we're super bored, we're super dejected, you know,
things are, any of those sorts of things is like, yeah, we're focused. We're trying to get through
these. It's probably a necessity. They have to actually focus for their splits,
otherwise they go bad. Yeah, now we're into the normal part. So,
oh wait, no, this is Heroic. So we're seeing Heroic scissorack now.
Okay. So a little bit of a different thing than what we had before lunch,
which was a bunch of normal spam.
And do we know how many helpers it looks like 1515?
Yeah, 1515 seems to be a sweet spot for making these pretty consistent.
And isn't that differing a little bit than what Echo is doing?
Yeah, I think Echo were doing 10 Raiders, 20 helpers.
So a little bit more aggressive, a little bit more rewarding,
yeah, but also a little bit more difficult, more potential for things
to go wrong, depending on how they're set up.
Yeah, they also do have the two extra characters compared to Lissandra, because from what I remember, 16 characters and Liquid is doing 14
So they're looking at a substantially larger pool of helpers that they need to pull from as well to get their runs done
And what are the implications of that? Because I know it's having a lot of die-hard team Liquid fans concerned
Yeah, I think as a general rule of thumb the European player base of World Warcraft has always been a little bit more talented, so
So it's been a historic thing for a long, long, long period of time that, you know, European
players usually reach the higher echelons of the game a little bit more excessively.
So there's plenty of great players in North America that have been in the liquids, but
it's helping us with our runs.
But usually they tend to get pretty good helpers, you know, in their runs.
And I doubt their runs have been going too difficult for them to actually accomplish
their goals.
Interesting.
Yeah, a lot of great players over there.
Do you have to compete with method for split helpers in a way where liquid is a little bit more uncontested in the region?
That is the one benefit for sure only having one real race will first skill competing in North America
Is you get the lion share of all the people who are willing to be available to help you with your splits?
Also, there's like the fun little mini game of price gouging each other
Yeah, you see method post their helper announcement and you know for example to say oh
We're giving 300k for a full correct there and then you get echo being like alright
We'll get 325 K come to us and set them up that then they do a little arms race until one of them stands their ground
Yeah, they just keep raising the prices there has been there have been some price wars in the past
Yeah, especially in the tiers where the helper where there was like unexpectedly high demand for helpers sometimes happens where you just really need
A lot of gear there's a big thing and the personal loot era right and you know helpers looting the items themselves
Was the thing and they had to give it up to you and trade it to you
Yeah, so that then you moved the back then you would you pay them when they traded you gear
Yeah, right. It'd be like yeah every item you trade us is 500k or a mill or whatever the number is
For these heroic items because you don't want the situation where like if you just paid for the run
Then you'd have people who are like, you know, maybe if they get that and they're like it
Maybe I keep this like starts speaking to you like the one ring, right?
And and you didn't avoid that by yeah, it's impossible to avoid a little bit of that. Yeah
But yeah, it's a lot better now at the Master Looter.
Yeah, I feel like every single tier there's always just a couple fat actors, you know,
going in with the express purpose of trying to grief the looting system.
Does it work though?
Sometimes.
Sometimes.
I feel like, at least in my time as a player, there's always, you'd always hear one group
one time be like, this guy stole the piece of gear, like he turned off that on and
didn't forfeit his gear and make sure they're not paying afterwards because he highlighted
the terms.
or don't anybody get that kind of thing but it rarely happens I mean most of the
people who sign up and actually help liquid in their rates they do so out of
the kindness of their heart they're genuine liquid fans you know let's
succeed so grateful that we have to like such a large fan base of people so
willingly ready to help the cause the cause of the liquid dynasty any noble
helpers you want to shout out anything you can tell us about them yeah I've
got a couple of goats that I recognize every single time clearly you know
front-runner Lucy Priest. He notably leveled 12 characters and helped us with
Gallywick splits. He was in every single run. He showed up. He healed our heroic 30
minutes, but it was entirely in-house. He was the only helper that we
brought along with us. That's crazy. Even last year, you know, he, at a time where
I couldn't do the 20 characters that everybody else was doing because I was
busy at work, he leveled up a bunch of his characters even though he was
employed as well to fill in the runs that I couldn't make. So that guy is
my go. That guy is always there doing a great job. We love Lucy. My personal
favorite is spooky death he plays an age he's there every single tier reliably
he's always in the top five on the meters in some way one tier I believe he'd
like be fired up on a ball I made note of that I was like oh my god this guy's
like goat yeah but he pretty consistently shows up there's a bunch of
other you know goat adjacent guys that have very questionable names that I
might not say out loud but you know they're celebrities within the liquid
splits you see their name and they're they're hard to forget and they're
there every time no are these people because because I I imagine like the
crossover of people that can play at that level like Spooky and Lucy also
have their own raiding guilds that they're in I would imagine yeah doing
this but like that and giving up their lockout yeah sometimes it's an alt
right like sometimes yeah if you're helping in the middle of the day and
you only raid you know three days a week at night or something like that it
can be pretty feasible yeah but like the people that have that available at
that skill level yeah yeah I mean there's a good amount of capital be
made from these splits. That's true. That's true.
Players that have the availability to level these characters, maybe they just level up a couple of characters exclusively with the purpose of being in liquid splits and that's how they're paying for their sub.
Which I somehow didn't realize that that was a thing that you could tell.
Yeah.
People were just kind of sacrificing their normal heroine.
Yeah, no. Jet would frequently help out instant dollars in their splits.
Yeah.
The availability of characters to do so and every single tier you'd leave with like a close to over a million gold every single time.
Cool.
There's a very efficient use of time to make some gold by doing this, by helping out the people that you love and also maybe funding your own game time.
He's helping you guys this year, right?
Yeah, he was in both of our runs. We don't have the availability to pay people, so we're just basically banking on friends to help us out.
We got a couple banger helpers though, like former mid-winner players that have since quit the game, but like they just have the time.
Yeah, you know, it's like a one-week commitment, right?
Whereas it's, you know, months to actually be in a rating guild.
Yeah, Bromisud, if you guys know, that guy, the old, old school player, he came in just
topped the healing on every single boss that we did.
So, yeah, our helpers have been beasts.
When was the last time you played, I wonder?
Oh, it's hard to say.
It's been a long time.
It was midwinter, was it like when midwinter died or before that?
Yeah, we played for like a little bit after.
Okay.
Because that was like sepulcher, right, was when they...
Yeah, somewhere around there.
Maybe?
Yeah.
Before that?
The other names we'd recognize?
Oh, I'm trying to think notable players that came specifically to help us.
just like friends specifically within our friend group, you know, because you guys
have like a kind of a new old dog guild, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like former
players that either played in liquid or instant dollars or mid-winner and you know
we either quit the game or don't have the availability to raid like even
instant dollar hours or something like that and we're just like okay let's play
for like 12 hours a week, you know what I mean? Yeah. We still like the game. We
still want to play the game. We're not gonna put any PTR time into it.
We're not going to do like the most research into anything at all
But like we do want to play with our friends. Yeah, just kill some like post nerf one bosses, right?
But like still the very hard versions. Yeah, exactly
But it's hard to really I'm blanking right now. Yeah, I feel like more so
Most people won't really know these people. It's just like specific. Yeah, you know as friends
I forget if you've said
Yeah, we've got two helpers
Actually, we've got yeah two different sisters of players that are in our guild that are helping us as our
29th to 30th
This time around what we do is we give helpers like the mount at the end of the tier from the end boss
So that's that's a good trade off and you know any of the other boss kills that they happen to want
So they're sisters and players. Yeah
Bringing the girly pops got the the family we've got actually various like family various brothers sisters
One of our kill these mothers as well. We got a map to every tier
It's cool. Yeah
Yeah, good source of the
In some tears you need more helpers than others as well like this year. We got 28 on the roster
So we only need two helpers, but most tears were usually a little bit more
We usually need a little bit more helpers because we have a little fewer hear me rostered players
I got a crazy crazy pitch and it goes off of an idea that we were just talking on broadcast prior to this on the last
shift. This is going to be a surprise. I think I know the one you're talking about. Yeah, so we
brought up the concept of like a race world first breeding grounds. Yeah, right. So we're
specifically tailoring a program in which race world first players explicitly get married to
somebody of similar skill level and caliber, right? Somebody good in like, you know, obviously
there's not a whole lot of race first players out there, right? But like, you marry somebody
in like a, yeah, you find another guild that's like a us 10 us 20 guild, and you just
marry somebody in that guilt so they can play your character overnight because you're
allowed to do that under the Bnet terms of service, right?
Yeah, right.
You can play your spouse's account.
As long as it's family.
Okay.
So you marry somebody who can then play your character overnight and grind keys for you
while you're sleeping, right?
Yeah, so you're making shifts basically.
The Raiders go in and do the rate during the day.
The spouse takes over and does the keys and maybe some of the splits like during
the night.
So basically you get like a 24-hour coverage throughout the day where you're maximizing
time and power on your characters.
Right.
So, and then the next evolution of that logically is to then have children.
right and the express purpose of even having children in the first place is
not as a culmination of your love but only for the sole purpose of passing on
the mantle when you inevitably retire from the race world first and you are
training them only to be a race world first raider the moment they're born that
is their purpose as a human being so you're getting them on the game early
you're making them play the same class that you're playing right it's a
one-to-one swap so you're you're basically turning out a factory of
race world first players now in a world where we are looking for helpers
Obviously they need some level of experience.
They need to work their way up.
As they're acquiring the skills that are needed
for the race world first, you use them as your helpers.
Right. Okay.
Right?
So now you're just like, get them out of school for a week,
right?
Yeah, exactly.
They've got a little family obligation.
We've got a little vacation to be going.
You get to save a little bit of gold
because you don't have to pay the helpers
necessarily as much as long as the race world first
guilds feel like hanging out the community
is definitely an honorable and great thing, right?
But like with the honorable sort of notion
that you are training the future fired up, you know what I mean?
At least you have to capitalize on saving a little bit of gold in the process of doing
that and giving it in the training grounds to be able to hone his skills to do so.
Now some might say that childcare costs might end up being more than the gold would
have been in terms of how much value is required, but the math on that's fuzzy,
yeah, it could be either way.
You're sacrificing something in the short term for the long term benefit of establishing
a family, a dynamic, a legacy of like a specific household that is known for
dominance in the race world first. You can even pass on the name right like the
fired-up name. Yes. It could be like this is you know the new I'm fired up
right like this. Yeah. It's no it's not associated with a person anymore it's a
title right yeah a legacy yeah. I'm fired up and it's like how we have like
an attorney general right or like a governor right exactly that does like
You're filling a role of governance.
It's an office.
Well, I have a few questions.
Yeah, go ahead.
Okay.
So what pool of players are we picking this, the people?
Well, honestly, it's what's available, right?
Yeah.
We're...
Best available.
When we're first establishing a system like this, we can't be too picky.
You know what I mean?
The willingness of people to not only marry race world first players, but also dedicate
their entire livelihoods and their future children's lives to the cause, I bet that
pool is a little bit small.
So at first we're going to have to go with what is available to us, but not without standard.
You know what I mean?
It still has to be efficient.
You can't marry off these first players to somebody and then have a child who does
not live up to the name.
It has to be somebody of caliber and there has to be enough resources to support
such a system.
So, it really depends, you gotta have a little bit of loose guidelines on the fact that that
is gonna be something that is gonna take a couple generations really to be solidified
and work through.
But ideally I think we're working with long term the goal is somewhere between top five
to 20 world.
That would be really good.
That would be fantastic.
That would be like the pinnacle of what you can really expect in terms of the Race
World First breeding grounds.
Right.
It's a good strategy.
I think it's going to take a loss in a race to world first before max would really consider
instituting a program like this, but next time they lose one which you know, it's been
670 days, I think so actually I think Daniel it is that number six or 71 days
Since the last time that they hadn't been the race world first champions. So I think you know
The next time they lose though if ever happens again
We'll be looking for ways to optimize and it's at that point. We'll hit him with the proposal here's what to do
Yeah, so I have another I have another question. I just wrote this out there
Yeah, go ahead what happens if your you know if your kid gets to a certain age and he says you know hey dad
I think I want to be pro in another video game. Oh what then how every every parents nightmare, right?
Of course. Yeah, um could you only want the best for them, right?
I think that's a matter of personal, you know opinion on how you handle a situation like that, okay, so
So individuality is important, having a life goal is important, and not everybody necessarily
fits the mold that their parents want for them.
As the son of two immigrants who came to this country, I'm cast into the mold of Dr. Morgan
Engineer.
That's an established sort of sense of guideline for my life, and it's been hammered into
my head as a kid.
And maybe I went a bit against grain, and I'm the one with tattoos in my family.
It's very rare for somebody of Middle Eastern to set to willingly choose to be the first
of.
I'm the first to be a professional gamer within the family, right?
So like in a lot of ways, I was a trailblazer in my specific family.
That is not what we're going for here.
We are going to rule with an iron fist.
Well, we can obviously be like, hey, how about one of your 14 alts gets to be whatever
class you want, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You can have, you've got 13 mages, and you can have a rogue.
also could just be like almost like what was that movie with what's it Theo
James it divergent you I think it's called divergent so like they the premise
of the movie was basically that they get like categorized you know throughout
their childhood into like these distinct little roles within their society okay
and it's based off of like a personality test that they adhere to when
their children and then they get cast into the specific role and then they
have to live their life that way. That is their official job within society that they live in.
So we could then establish maybe a bare minimum age where we kind of enforce a similar thing.
You've got until five to figure out your life. You know a little rum springer. Yeah, take five
years. You've learned how to add. You've learned how to speak. You want to play World of Warcraft
or League of Legends? Take your pick. And if you choose League of Legends, we disown you and
toss you to another willing family who's able to take care of you and support that dream
for you to play the video game of your choice, but if you choose World of Warcraft you're going to
live a life of luxury and we're going to make sure that you have the resources
appropriate to make you embrace the World of Warcraft. A little bit like economic coercion
and the great American tradition. Yeah. I have another question.
Maybe I'm like reading into it. I'm just going to throw this one out there as well.
This is, I mean, sounding to me a little cultish? No, hopefully not a little cultish. Yeah.
No, okay. I disagree. I don't know. It's not necessarily cultish. It's just like
the means at which you want to acquire greatness right something's got to get
the right okay so the part where you know if your kid
um wants to play another video game they get excommunicated that's not just
communicated Jesus that is that is harsh i am
nobody's saying that no loving family given to a
an environment which they would thrive in in flourishing
right that is more suited with their wants okay this is a positive thing
Yeah. So not excommunicated. No. They would have a loving relationship with their former parents.
Obviously, those are, you know, those are the parents of the child, right? There's a unique bond
there that your blood relatives are sacred to you. It's just that your blood relatives are
more concerned with winning the race world first. And you did not fit that. So we have to give
you up so that you can go live your best life, but we can win our best race world firsts.
I'm not following how that's not ice communication, but sure well, they can visit you know Thanksgiving
dinner, you know, unless there's a race around there, they're invited to the races,
you know, like they can come hang out every now and then.
Everybody will kind of look at them and be like, that's a shame you weren't up there.
You know, you had so much potential.
Yeah, right.
Kind of like a XD1 athlete being drafted, but then like they got injured right before
the season came out.
Like they're still around.
Everybody's still cool with them.
We love to have them there, but like they're just not a part of the club.
What if I'm like let's say like I'm a kid and I live on this compound or that's a good idea write that one down right that one
Okay, compound. Yeah. Yeah, that's so like efficient cost-wise. Uh-huh if I
You know not completely sweet. What if I'm just like curious about a new game?
You can dabble you got until five. Okay. Yeah, but after that five five is we'll give you a six month period where you
Have the flexibility of making your choice within those six months. Okay, maybe you get sent to like a different
correctional facility
Let's just say, you know, to steer you the correct direction.
And if you still choose to go against it, after the correctional facility has had its way with you.
Then, yeah, you have the freedom of leaving, but, um, yeah, the five, five-and-a-half, some around there, you got to make a choice, you know?
Look at this boomage just standing in the well in the middle here to make this more interesting.
Give itself some more healing to do. He's getting other people to come in here as well and just get rotated around the middle of the room for some extra healing.
yeah this is a routine thing yeah this is when the splits real kick in yeah start
doing fun stuff like this reminds me of that or like those like pools that are
like a lazy river mmm yeah yeah well you got your your donuts that you can float
on down in floating around this might even has those yeah rotating around it
yeah that's nice okay yeah the old board healer special look at boomie as
Well, what are they doing? He's just taking extra damage so he has more to heal
Yeah, so that it's slightly less mind-numbing okay, bro wants to pink parts. Yeah once again a little bit more HBS in there
All right, that should be the last right boss of this split that they do I mean they could do a numeric
But see they're mostly saved to the other bosses
The only bosses they're unsaved to on most of these characters are last three which they don't do with helpers
Yeah
This one did drop a soul coiler ritual vessel. So that might go to boo me
They don't do the last three with helpers, but just imagine a world where the training facility is really exactly
That's when we could do we could do helper splits of oolatang exactly 17 year old
I'm fired up junior just steps into his role and then suddenly you got way more loot on the right
It's a genius idea.
We just need the funding and support of the community.
We need a pilot program.
Yeah.
We need an overwhelming amount of people
that when we are faced with a certain negative crowd telling
us that there are unethical applications of this program
that could violently be misused that speak up
in defense of it and say, you know what?
Atlas, Dratnos, and Jet were right.
That's right.
They were cooking with us.
There are ethical applications of this.
And we need this in the race world first.
And we will sign the petition.
Because really at the end of the day, they probably just shouldn't be questioning it too much.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, just kind of following.
Having the openness to opposition kind of opens the room for the children to do so as well.
And we need to lead by example.
Right.
Yeah, of course.
There's always people.
I can question some rules.
Oh, yeah, it'll be very, very, very strict.
Yeah.
Yeah.
For everyone.
So, live by every day.
Yeah, you know.
That everybody will listen to.
You have like it much like homework
in a normal school education system.
You have homework within World of Warcraft.
We're gonna have quizzes for them.
We're gonna have daily mechanical challenges for them
to keep up with their ability to input keys.
We're gonna have social gatherings.
Very important for a sense of community as a whole.
We'll have social first breeding grounds prom.
Oh, like that, okay.
And even then we kind of,
once we establish it, right?
and we get like a good sense of direction
and foundation set.
Like this prom could even be the starting grounds
of keeping the future generations going.
You might meet the love of your life
who is also a future race for the first baby.
That's right, then we're getting
to multi-generational territory here.
Yeah, exactly.
A lot of work to be done in this regard.
Okay.
Just need some higher ups to one point of our idea.
Just a little bit of funding to get it started.
I have another question.
Go ahead.
say a pro from like another game is interested in this program. Do you allow new players?
I think we need an initiation ritual, maybe not a ritual, but like, you know, a ceremony,
right? Yeah.
Because again, not a cult, but no, yeah, some way to induct an outsider upon. Well, they're
not an outsider. Right. Yeah. A future insider. Yeah, like, like, like, like Faker
is looking to marry fired up. Yeah, exactly. We've totally fine. As long as the merit
is equivalent. You know what I mean? Right. We're not taking a lower tier NA LCS professional
to marry THD. Right. We got the cream of the crop for the cream of the crop. Okay. So who's
our leader? Well, maybe leader is a bad word, but yeah. Yeah. Our grand oracle. Yeah. Our
matchmaker. Is that, is that what you're going for him? Yeah. It's like a tough burden,
you know, to take upon yourself such an important role and no doubt it would come with a lot
of stress. I willingly would do so, you know, for the proper compensation.
Oh my gosh.
That's a sacrifice you'd be willing to make.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, for the good of the community.
They collected.
I've put a lot of thought into this, you know, I've spent countless hours basically coming
up with like a roadmap for this. It's not something that I just foolishly toss
on broadcast, you know.
Thank you for your sacrifice.
I'm going to give you the moment.
So I don't think necessarily a lot of people could, you know, pull this off. So I
I would be willing to uptake the burden of that as long as,
I don't know, like I'm 10% of every pro salary goes my way.
I feel like-
That is generous.
For me to say, the rest of their lives, you know.
I feel like it's just a very, very small ask,
but very necessary.
And then obviously, you know,
Dratnos and Jett, my co-founders in this
are equivalent to all of my holdings.
So I'd also see 10% for each one of them as well.
We can set up a Trinity type leadership.
Structure, yes with it. We're like a council. Yeah
I like that. Yeah, this is starting to sound pretty doable. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No again again
We're working on the pitch then the next race that we lose
Max is gonna get an email. We give him a little bit of time. Yeah, right a little bit of time to cool off
We're working on the infographics right now 10 to 20 days later
Email hits the inbox and you know it's convenient. We already all wear the same clothes
That's right
That's part one and a lot of groups like this have to resolve that after being formed, but we are already there
Yeah, they already went to teal.gg.rwf.
That's right, and you can too if you want to get more likelihood to be able to join,
to be allowed the opportunity to get an invite to this.
Here's the most amazing part of it all, right?
The Waste World First is such a fantastic spectacle.
Like everybody is so excited for the broadcast of the Waste World First.
We wait six months at a time, right?
Everybody's hype. We get our hype videos dropping on different kinds of social media.
Everybody's looking forward to seeing their favorite players after months of preparation.
And really, it's a spectacle of the production that makes such an event so magical, but there's
a large gap between events in which there's basically dead content that's not necessarily
as thrilling as the race world first in terms of the watcher's perspective.
So here's why it's not just a verdict, it has a lot of verticality within our business
model of how we want to do this breeding grounds.
We now can expand into different forms of entertainment because now we can spend the
six months leading up to the race world first as an almost reality TV series like a tryout
even.
Yeah.
We can host it American Idol style.
And this will be making money in a few years time, not costing money.
Yeah, exactly.
So basically we need the investment of a few million dollars to kick this all off,
but then eventually it's a largely profitable, multi, kind of like Marvel honestly.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, exactly.
The liquid cinematic universe will be started by this.
Yeah, the LCU and the LBU, the liquid cinematic universe and the liquid breeding universe.
I see, yes.
They will coincide like a beautiful Venn diagram of love.
Right.
Right, because this is not soulless.
We're talking about profits here.
We're getting a little bit lost in the plot.
Well, it's just important to sell these sorts of things to the suit, right?
Of course, we are not concerned.
We have no profit motive here, but we understand the world we live in, right?
Very materialistic world.
Yeah.
Convenience of profit as like a byproduct of what we're seeking
But ultimately what we are concerned on is the success in the race world first and the success and love of these players that we hold
So dear in our hearts. No, so speaking of profit, what are we addressing you as now?
One of three Grand Supreme leaders
We cannot more titles either as well
There's always room to add more.
Yeah, I could wear a lot of hats in this scenario.
So could jet, no, so could jet, right?
Quite literally, I think.
We are also open to, let's call them followers of the cause.
If anybody wants to get in early,
we'll make sure that you are compensated appropriately
and give you a role of responsibility
within the foundation.
Tryouts available in the group finder right now.
If you want to help us out with our splits,
we are always looking for people.
So do check them out in the,
you usually just search liquid in the raid section.
You'll be able to find these different groups.
We do need a couple more helpers for some of these final normal sorry
Yeah, for some of these final normal runs that we are doing got a normal coiled altar brewing here boomy looking for one more
Oh my goodness, it's brother boomy. Yeah, leather character chocolate here chocolate here. Yep. We'll walk on the front flesh
Well, he's also looking fresh
Excellent and it looks like we've gotten our group this particular group filled out
I'm going to be off to the races once you get summoned, but yeah, American Idol, you know,
make like a Keeping Up with the Kardashians sort of series with it, like get an inside
look at the love life of some of these players and how their children's lives are going.
We can make movies, we can make shows, almost honestly, if you guys have ever watched the
Boat Boys, it's kind of like a vault-like enterprise, you know.
I think a great company to model oneself after, yeah.
I mean if you think about the success and how far the reach really got that's what we're going for yeah
I think the next step really we should be we should be putting offices on very walkable sidewalks and streets
All across the country so people would you know that our presence is there?
Oh, yeah, yeah, the goal is you know integrating all of society as a whole yeah with every single person on the planet into our plan
Yeah, I mean
What more noble of a cause than you know bringing together all of humanity from all sorts of different backgrounds cultures and
and sharing a common goal in winning the race world first.
But not a goal.
No.
Just to wrap up the idea session.
No, I don't know why you keep asking that as well.
I'm just making sure I'm on the same page as you guys.
Yeah.
OK.
If you're not on the same page as us,
we're going to have to find a way to get you on there.
That's ultimately the goal.
Everybody needs to be on the same page.
So we can just convince people.
Yeah, with no subtle ominous undertones.
No, no, no.
Just love.
Yeah.
I feel slightly different now, actually, just sitting here
with you guys.
That pleases us.
I do.
I feel better.
Yeah, I feel relieved.
We are warped by your words.
The council is pleased to hear that you are accepted.
Thank you.
Thank you, Fair Master Atlas.
I like the ring of that, actually.
Yeah.
I could see that going to your head.
No, no, no, there's no e-gummas at all.
You should see the, no.
This is a self, again, this is a self-defect.
This is a self-defect.
I'm doing this for the players who I care very deeply about,
and I want to help them in the way that I can the most
as somebody who's now retired.
You just love people so much.
That's true.
Selfless act, really.
Absolutely.
Okay.
This is all very exciting.
I'm excited to get this started.
Right?
It's a lot to look forward to
in the next couple of years.
Again, we are looking for investors.
We just need roughly $50 million to start our ideas into fruition.
A small drop in the bucket when you think of the size of the returns.
Yeah. Also, just keep in mind,
even though we are looking for donations for our plan of world domination in the
Royce World First, our partner UNICEF is also looking for donations.
They are our charity partner for the event,
and we are still on our way to reaching our charity goals as we are
getting along.
That's right, TL.gg slash donate, place to go to help there.
Yeah, and if you need donations for a cause,
it'll just be my personal PayPal for now.
Okay.
All right, we'll definitely check those two out,
but in the meantime,
we're gonna head to a monster energy listen in.
There's an orange ghost, make sure you're facing it.
You gotta hit by the gloom bombs,
need to pick up three beams of light,
world of concert make sure you can get the things that way
you know pick up you're gonna get
under the boss with these manuals
and then the same thing
crossing to the other side
cross other side
make sure you're aware if you are fixated if you have an orange ghost
try to get it to the middle before you look at it and once it's in the middle just there at it
get out of the raid if you get one of these circles
look at the ghost if there's an orange one on you
out of the red with the circles out of the red
pick up your souls if you have one of the circles dodge, eat, eat on the ground
a monk shack through, you need to pick up ghosts
there's three beings with light
around the middle probably
we're enough to uphold, right?
yeah, the ghostly spawn, the ghostly spawn
Underneath, oh right, right. Underneath, underneath the boss now.
Break them up and then we're crossing again.
Can you put a ring down near the edge?
Okay, we're going to stop crossing.
Is to stop the boss halfway?
So, keep that in mind.
Yeah, just keep your guys safe, keep your guys safe.
Okay, and we're all going to hit Zul'Jay now.
Dude, that knockback is a bonus.
don't need this so your spirits if you got spirits look at the place of what you might need to sell
all of them suck it except for maybe the hunter I can't tell Tobos debuffs are actually so small
I didn't even tell which one of this yeah if you still have a ghost heart and you try and bring
it's just like phase one removing to the edge you knew the edge of the room it's
going to do frontals towards the middle again.
The frontals coming soon, make sure you're behind the boss near the edge now.
Don't be in front.
Watch your feet. Watch your feet, their circles.
You don't have to worry about these orbs. We're going to do the MCs under the boss soon.
Let's make sure you're right under the boss.
Don't be in front. Don't be in front of the boss. Just break these MCs out and then we're crossing the room after after the broken out. We crossed the room now.
Just like phase two. Pay attention if you're fixated by a ghost.
Try to get it to the middle before you look at it.
You can look at your gusset, look into the middle to stop your gusset,
and then don't be in front. Make sure you're looking at your gusset so it doesn't move.
Don't be in front of the boss.
Let's go again.
Oh, get it! Oh!
Careful, you might have been refixated on.
Oh nice. Oh my god. Alright, kills little Jane guys.
Oh my god. Wait, do we not want to? A bit more on Malakras. Don't even try it out.
Let's walk to Skull. Walk to Skull, guys.
And kick instantly.
Clean.
Any holding right now?
Yeah.
I actually kind of nuked my frames because of that, you know.
Just tried to fix them and made them way worse.
Respect.
You didn't see any straight lead, like every split, brother.
Yeah, even mid.
I guess that's a nice like soothing voice.
Thank you. It's not good for my play.
Not good for your play? Yeah. Yeah, it's rough.
I got this one.
right everyone knows them down
they couldn't even hear me we were just talking to ourselves everyone else
says it right nice bro
guys what's your favorite muscle flavor in the shirt in the red shirt
I don't know.
Respect.
I don't try to live Hawaii.
She is actually looking for.
You don't know.
These eggs.
Oh, handsome.
Good calm.
All right, everyone check with group hearing groups one, two and
going to be going left on star in the intermission in groups four five and six you're going to be
going right on on double checkers group you're in any time these eggs people are going to have to
periodically pick up three at the foot three two this is what they look like three people need to
pick them up on full here need one more in mid nice yeah tail is forming it's to the left
Make your way over to the tail on the things.
We need two soaks here, first one on the right,
second one on the left.
Just move between them.
After the first one goes off.
Look at this.
OK, let's move over to the left.
Then you now move away from the tail
back to the main bus.
you guys lost the stand right yep big boss is going to do some waves now we're going to dodge
left also the left there's also waves coming from the tail be careful now we're going to dodge right
okay eggs are going to come from the ceiling don't stand in the swirlies but pick them up
after they grow up. Every single leg needs to be picked up. They're spread all over the
bus. Also going to do waves again. It's really important if you're holding in eggs and not
Okay, by the way, we are dodging left.
Remember, away from the tail as well.
Then we're dodging right.
Good job, over to the tail now.
Few more soaks.
Same thing as before, move left
after the first one goes up.
And in 20 seconds we have a diamond gem so you want to hold your cooldowns, you can
raise a mild warrior.
Remember hold your cooldowns.
Also going to do a big cast at the end of the cast we're going to swap our target to
the venomous heart and swap everything.
And swap, hit skull.
Hello everybody, welcome back from that monster energy.
Listen, we are still doing splits.
We are on Ulotec right now.
Things definitely going quite a bit better yesterday
or than yesterday, Dratnos.
Yeah, the splits, the normals moving along smoothly,
which is nice.
The heroic Ulotecs earlier worked out well.
So what we're doing now is finishing off
all these like normals that we were hoping
we wouldn't have to do to become powerful enough
to do heroic splits this week, but we need them.
We need all these four pieces
so that we can do the heroic split.
So this isn't even a split to make any main stronger.
This is split to make alt stronger
so that then we can do the splits
that make the main stronger,
which is the heroic Ulotex spam.
We've done, I think, about five of them.
So about 10 to go, ideally,
to get all of the potential loot
from that end boss on heroic.
But yeah.
The funny state of affairs to find ourselves in
and where the heroic boss is so tightly tuned
that you actually need to fully distribute
all of your normal gear
and then still make the damage check.
I'm still on my Zenis, by the way.
I have to get my break.
Yeah, I've got my shades on.
It's been a crime of me to have not worn them until now,
but I have precious little pairs that you can ask for.
And you know, THD will inevitably come back
and do his little sponsor segment for Zeni.
Yeah, you gotta make sure you have it.
It's always at lunch.
So if you're ever on that shift that goes over lunch,
you always bring your Zenis.
I like it.
And he'll compliment you instead of berating you.
Yes, you can go to kill.gg slash zenny use the code RWF or up to 25% off also you didn't
hear me word that it's a bit of a DPS increase.
Yeah, not surprised.
Yeah.
Does it is it working for you at least do you feel it?
Um, so my shades are a little green tinted and this is a very green room, so I'm surprised
honestly that it has somehow made the visual clarity of this room a little bit better.
Yeah.
If you'd believe it the the slight little shaded tint actually makes for a lovely
experience right.
out the overwhelming greenness. Yeah, it's green, but like it's green that I enjoy now.
Nice. Okay, bruised tinted glasses or green tinted glasses. That's the case with me. I should say.
Interesting. All right, there it is right there, till.gg slash steady. But we are doing some more
splits and it looks like maybe splits for the rest of the day. Or do you guys think that we'll
be seeing mythic at all? I think splits for the rest of the day. Looks for the rest of the
day. Gaslight me. I don't want to hear that. Yeah, unfortunately, I do think that at the
earliest we are looking for mythic is after lunch tomorrow okay yeah I think the optimistic is
maybe a little before then but I think that is optimistic I think uh sometime tomorrow is when
we're hoping to start mythic but there's just so much gear that you need to be able to do
the gearing up of heroic gul attack so and you know you obviously could run in there on mythic
could they kill the first four bosses on mythic with what they have absolutely yeah but it's not
a race to get to four out of eight first, right? It's all about getting to eight out of eight first
and there's going to be a lot of power left on the table if they were to cut these splits short
and do those heroic ulotecks less efficiently. So that is the name of the game. It is punishing
though. It feels awful to be on day four of the race to world first and being a normal difficulty
split raid still. Yeah, it's soul crushing. You know, I bet the players are a little bit
that upset maybe or feeling a bit worn out
with the splits at this point.
Because the hope was we wouldn't have to do these ones, right?
These splits don't generate any power
for our characters that will be in on Mythic at this point.
These just generate like four pieces for the alts
that will make it so we can kill Ulotech on heroic
more times and generate more loot for Mayans that way.
But that is not a particularly exciting experience
to be in these runs because there's no items that can drop where you're like, yes, that
makes my character better for progression.
It's a unique state of affairs too because we haven't had a raid like this in a long
time where the loot off of the last two is just so overwhelmingly important compared to
the entire rest of the raid.
Usually, you get in a raid, sure, like the last bosses have unique items that you
definitely want.
That is a design goal that you would like to have.
Important bosses, important loot one to one, very good for the game.
You're looking at the bosses loot from the first couple, you know
The trinkets are a little bit underwhelming the jewelry is all a little bit underwhelming you look at the last boss
And it's just irreplaceably good gear on the last two on every single slot that they basically drop
So we're almost obligated to have to spend as much time as possible chasing these items that you know
You won't replace for the rest of the race
This one's normal. So yeah, mostly the Omni tokens is what we're looking for
But yeah, I guess some of the trinkets could be potentially still useful.
They make the alt characters better, but the mains are going to want those on heroic for sure.
They are still like big trinkets to get.
They're big power increase.
And there might be some characters that have one champion trinket and the rest of their stuff is good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like the if you are missing just that one piece, but you've got the very
rarest off of the other bosses.
And none of the stuff is making or breaking the main at this point.
Yeah, this is all it's all short term power.
for the splits to make the harder splits easier.
Well, something we can do in the meantime, if you guys would like.
We have been given a tier list, and we have been told to do a tier list of the race world firsts.
True. Yeah, let's get into it.
Let's get into it.
We're going to be ranking the different raids, the different races, the race world firsts,
and see which one of these that we have near and dear in our hearts.
Okay, which ones we have? Do you want to read them out first?
So, it looks like the oldest one we've got here is Old Deer.
Okay.
I think this is a very sensible starting point.
Yeah.
The first in Liquid's involvement in it.
Yeah, it was back, of course, when they were just Limit.
Yeah.
But this was the first one that was broadcast by a team that won a Race to World first, right?
Yeah.
Back in the time.
The first method that was starting the stream is because prior to Old Deer,
There was a race to world first, but it was a very very different thing right the top few guilds wouldn't stream
And they wouldn't even release a video of the kill until like five guilds had killed right now
unspoken rule five kills
Particular boss and then suddenly everybody was available to post their video if you broke that sacred rule everyone looked at you and discussed
Yeah, and then it throughout Legion there were some like Chinese guilds that were streaming
Yeah, you know, maybe World 4th progression World 3rd progression. So that was often how we saw the first
kills or the first mechanics on mythic right I remember seeing killed Jaden's
P1 for the first time from one of those things. Yeah I think so and we also saw
Argus the red sides for the first time from that too so that was very cool but
yeah then Uldir was sort of when everything changed when things started
to become televised although the skill didn't stream until Eternal Palace
Right was the first one streamed because both old year and battle desire lore were the competition was streaming
But yeah, we weren't it was a competitive disadvantage at that time to stream
So the first two tiers that we did battle earlier and then battle does our lore we did not stream
Which lets us some funny funny community perceptions of who we were as people
Yeah, you know, there's the the famous sort of disdain for limit in the first couple of years
We thought we were like rude and try hard and like just these rugged people who
Because everybody's favorite streamer was in that one at the time. They were the only streamed, right?
Yeah, and then meanwhile, you know, we're still the goofy same old people that we were and then we turned on the streams
They're like, oh these guys are a little dumb, huh? Yeah, they're a little silly. Yeah, everybody thought they're not evil
Yeah, they are strange. Yeah, but it was like the boogeyman, you know
It was at a time where only one guild was streaming a lot of information coming from our end was
as cheeky little one liners while we were raiding.
And maybe it could be taken definitely
in an egotistical vein, you know,
as somebody who's going for the race
for the first time trying, but it was all in jest.
It was all like a little poke at fun
while we were going for the race.
And it was a different world back then.
But now we exist in a world of streaming everything,
so, you know.
Any one liners that stand out to you?
What was that?
Haven't heard of it, please.
It was like small little things
like an old year battle of the Zallor
when we had a lead on a certain boss
or something like that.
We would just do like the little copy bosses that like
Twitch chat would put like first to the moon, first to Goohun.
That's what jumps to mine for me, old deer.
Stuff like that.
That's a limit thing?
Yeah, or like quick little sneak peeks at bosses
that we killed first, I think notably in Battle of Bizarre Lore.
We had a couple of those when we killed Stormwall Blockade.
That's fine.
Which kind of like messing around a little bit.
But you know, sometimes your favorite fan
of your favorite guild kind of gets a little zealous
when it comes to defending, you know, just a little the competition.
These things happen, you know, any fun, any, uh, fan fandom could sometimes take it
a little too far.
It's just passionate about the people you know.
So, uh, Uldir, the first one here.
I'm all look back on this really fondly.
Yeah.
I think, uh, so the race, it was really cool because historically up to this point,
what happened was the U.S.
servers came up first limit or BGG or whoever at the time would go through
and would kill the first like four to five bosses world first and then method would roll up and actually kill the hard bosses always first
Or you know some other European guild right they'd be fighting with Exorcist or briefly Serenity, right?
One of these other guilds over there and you know it was always like NA gets the world first on the first few bosses
Yeah, and then EU overtakes European wave. Oh dear
Didn't have that we didn't win that one, but yeah, we did re-overtake, right? Yeah
The Fed of Devourer went to Method First, but Mithrax was, or it was Zul, right?
Zul maybe went to...
Zul was killed by Method First and then...
And Mithrax was...
Yeah, you guys.
And so it was like, oh my goodness, First to Gohoon, right?
That's where First of the Moon, First to Gohoon came from.
Just to contextualize this race a little bit.
So we were not streaming when we were playing in Limit at the time.
This was our first time ever going for the Race World First.
It was a completely unbeknownst thing to us what would happen in terms of prep,
the decision-making we went into it,
it was just like completely new territory.
Prior to this, it was a five-day week raiding guild.
It would raid somewhere around like 25 hours a week,
somewhere around there, it's like five days of five hours.
And we were sitting around being like,
you know, what if we just went for it?
So there was like a pull within the guild and it's like,
hey guys, are you interested in doing this?
Like this is something we're planning on doing.
Everybody was like on board,
they all wanted to go for it.
And then we just went in, like guns blazing,
like no idea what was going on.
Completely first time kind of a thing.
And then we're blowing through these first few bosses
and we're suddenly being like,
Okay, we are good like the skill is there. We're doing great
We get to fed a devour and that boss was so comically overtuned to the point where it was impossible to get even more than a minute into the fight
There were some ads that you had to kill they had way too much HP
We basically lusted and used every single cooldown in the entire game on that and then we killed one set
but there's seven sets to kill and
It's an impossibility right you have to kill the boss to you, but we're only hitting ads
We're not hitting anything else. So we got stonewalled on that for two full days straight like pulling the boss done work
Go to mythic plus, you know, do we have nothing at the time? There wasn't much benefit from M plus anyways, you know
Yeah, it was always the time. Yeah, so we're basically sitting there communicating back and forth
It was the official response was just swap to the ad squigger
Which is a hilarious thing to have heard and then eventually the boss gets nerfed and gets in a killable state
So for us it was very frustrating. We were at a position where like oh my god
We're doing so good
But then wow how frustrating we can't progress and then the boss gets nerfed and then suddenly we are an even playing
Ground where the advantage that we built up to this point does not matter
Yeah, from that point onwards then method killed Zool the next boss
Right ahead of us while we were doing our little dance with the sleeping schedules
And then we got to mithrax the second last boss we killed that one first and we got to go hoon
this in terms of like scale in the old race the world first and the race world first that is now
completely different worlds but made for an
Incredible experience if it was streamed from both sides
It this was like the closest race world first that was not streamed of all time
They went to bed assuming that we would win
We went to bed assuming that they would win and then we both kept waking up and you're like oh my god
What the hell we wept on that boss at like point three percent maybe
Fifty times like that's an exaggeration a lot like a lot a lot
It was sub two percent over and over and over and over and then we made famously the decision to stay up all night
I wasn't even in on the boss. I was staying up until 5 a.m. Just doing vocal stims and adlibs to try and keep people awake and
They stayed up they couldn't clean it up
But it was a very consistent right night of getting the boss super low went to bed and then
Method killed it when we woke up and then when we look back on our decisions that we made every single one was wrong
Yeah pattern was wrong like our breaks as well
Well, we extended our lockout instead of
re-clearing the Nerfantas runes in our face as the reset hit.
So we were a little bit off damage.
People were playing the wrong talents
that would have just killed the boss on our good pulls.
We had our comp all wrong.
Literally every single decision you could have ever
made was wrong.
Although, I will say, if you'd won,
you could imagine a universe where a method are like,
oh my god, streaming lost this race.
And then the race never happens after that.
The race might have never been streamed again
had the boss.
And it was completely a shocker to everyone
watching because a completely unknown guilt that nobody cared about at all
almost won the race on the first time going forward. Yeah while making all those
mistakes that you just listed. Yeah I'm gonna put this I think this should go up
an S tier. I think it's an iconic race. I just heard. It's the bosses themselves
weren't necessarily a spectacle by any means. This existed at a time you know
where people were seeing the boss for the first time from method streaming but
not seeing anything that we did until we released our video after the fact.
Right. So I think just from the fact that it got streamed for the first time and people got to see live what people were doing on the bosses and just makes it a cool race. Yeah.
Alright, so after all, dear, we moved into the Battle of Dazaaralor. We got our second ring of Azerite armor. Oh my goodness gracious. Okay, yeah, here's, here's a look at some of the loot that dropped on that normal, although nothing too important here. The very rare dagger was there and the necklace as well.
But mostly the Omni tokens here.
Yeah.
I bring up some characters.
But yeah, let's talk a little bit about Battle of Zarlor,
because so this year, I remember this tier started off
with you guys all going Alliance for the War Mode, like great,
because the Alliance had the War Mode called Arms.
Yeah, it was a weird thing where one faction got a loot
benefit compared to the rest.
And this was at a time when guilds were not
investing much in the race world first whatsoever.
We swapped our entire guild to Alliance,
because we knew that this quest existed.
And you all had to be the same faction, by the way, back then.
And we all had to be the same faction.
You could not raid cross-faction.
So we all swapped to the exact same faction, which was Alliance.
We remade our guild, which we named.
This game is bad.
And then we swooped up that piece of gear.
And I don't believe that method knew that that was a thing.
So we had one little extra procedure over them.
Although method had the expulsome shuffle
to be able to make all their characters really good,
really fast, that you guys did not have that tier.
Yeah, ended up being a very interesting race with Jaina
being this boss that you guys had a different strap than method on.
Yeah. Yeah. The entire raid fell over until you got to Jaina. Every boss was non consequential.
None of them were difficult. You got to Jaina and she was pretty, pretty hard. Yeah. Um, and we opted
for a different strategy when you got to be three. There was an ad that would spawn and this ad had
notably a couple of mechanics that weren't necessarily threatening by any means, but it was
annoying to have around. And then the boss would basically soften raid, you'd have
ramping, raid damage, ticking, there's a dog that's stacked up 20. If you get 20,
turn to turn ice block. And what Metha did is they looked at the values of the
ad health and the boss health and they came to the conclusion that they could
just burn the boss right before they died. And we were looking at it with a
completely different lens. We were doing it as intended. We didn't think
that burning was possible. So we were killing the ad one and two
specifically planned on intentionally ice blocking half of our raid and then
breaking them out and then having that half break out the other half of the
raid when they got ice blocked as well. Turns out mechanically pulling that off
is insane. Yeah like every time you got an ice block she also aimed an ice
lance at your dome right so you have to like get broken out fast enough to dodge it.
Yeah it was unfeasible for you to actually do that in time for what that
wanted. Very common thing with these mythic bosses is you look at the
dungeon journal and you can immediately tell what they want you to do and
and you can immediately tell that it is not possible and you need to do it some unintended way.
It reminds me of like Kura Grim Totem where you look at it and it's like
there's no way I can kill all four of these adds in these different areas, right?
Even think relatively recently, like last raid in Beloran.
If you're looking at that and you're like, I'm not doing the third phase of that, that sucks.
I'm doing two eggs.
Yeah, we'll make it work that trust me, it's the best way.
I've looked at the numbers, I could do some math.
Yeah, I think in terms of this particular raid though, it's relatively not that exciting.
The boss itself wasn't cool the most notable and humiliating thing of all time was method killed the boss
Yeah, and then got their reset and we have still not killed the boss and they went back in and killed it again before
Yeah, they went for world first and second
Technically claimed the world third they killed it twice in our face before we got to also
I'd just like to add some context for somebody that may have missed it that is
Method before they split off into echo and yeah
This is so this is of course a lot of players now from that killed in both rosters
Yeah, but the guild that woods turn in daco
and method sort of reforming and but now there's horse players that have gotten to both
from there.
A bit of a fracturing there, but they were all basically under the same guilt at a time.
So yeah, I would take this like a C tier one.
I don't know, it wasn't a disaster, but it's not necessarily all that eventful.
The bosses themselves left a little something to be desired.
There wasn't really much of a hype moment when it came down to the gilts, the
resting it.
So I would agree with you, I put it in C.
All right, after this, we now have two races in a row where you guys lost.
One was close.
not as much. We moved into Azhar's Eternal Palace. And in this one, you guys, this was
the first time you televised a race to world first.
Very controversial.
Teaming up with pieces as well, right?
Yeah. We shared a space with pieces at the time. We had a few of their players in our
venue. We had some of our players, and it was in London.
And you were casting that, right?
No, this is before I was a caster. I had become an avid viewer of the race to
world first via like Twitter following it over the Vuldeer and Bodd battle thriller time, yeah.
Second minor content for me. Yeah, it was a blast to follow. Yeah. But I didn't really watch too much of
the method stream because it was kind of opposite of my sleep schedule at the time, so.
This uh, this raid's a fun one. It is on paper the only raid I have ever played a single class
other than DK as my main. Yeah, I played a warrior in this raid, which was uncharacteristic
of me. Um, it also was a very controversial rate in terms of what happened, especially
on his jar. Yeah. So a lot of drama there. It, I, this one, honestly, this entire rate
was the weirdest experience for me of all time. I found myself on a class that I did
not play normally. Uh, I just played it because it was good and we needed to. And
for whatever reason, I was doing healing assignments and cooldown callouts on orgasoa
As somebody who did not have an add on that track, any of the cooldowns of them.
You're just vibing in it?
Yeah, so that boss was really, really hard on tanks.
And this is the time where Max was still playing the game.
And he handled all that stuff himself when he was playing with that boss.
He basically said, I have too much involvement going on.
I need somebody else to call cooldowns.
And nobody spoke up and I was like, yeah, I'll do it because I used to,
I used to raid lead stuff back in my, uh, uh,
former guilds prior to this or at least help with calling out stuff.
So I just basically started workshopping things in my head of how to call
healing cooldowns without tracking them.
and our rest of Druid player at the time refute.
I screwed over every single one of his trancasts.
He did not get a single good tranc.
I called it every time 100% of the time
at the worst possible time.
Oh no.
Peace.
Sorry refute.
My bad.
But yeah, it was a weird grade.
Again, a lot of the early bosses
kind of just fell over unceremoniously.
They didn't really get too difficult until the last two.
Limit at the time.
Pulled ahead on the second to last boss.
Again, it seems like a common trend.
Zekul innovating a one-tank strategy on that boss which was really really cool to see
and then we got to Isshara which just left probably the worst taste in people's mouths until Razaga
eventually ended up happening. For those who don't know that boss
had a bunch of really intricate mechanics that were very frustrating to deal with
but notably her intermission going into the last phase was tuned to be impossible.
We reached that boss first. We hit a complete wall on the intermission.
The ads would berserk at a time which was unfeasible.
And then after spending basically two and a half days stuck in the intermission
and still making it through while the intermission berserked
and finding innovative ways to do that, it got nerfed at a time where I think we were asleep
and the method pulled into P3 after equalizing the time spent on that
did a really good P3 strat, got it efficiently down very quickly
we ended up losing that race.
So that makes three in a row now.
The first one, our mistakes being sleep management,
decision making, and the reset.
The second one being strategy management.
And the third one being getting nerfed at a time
which was out of our hands.
So we left this rate bitter.
Like we were not happy.
We were very angry.
Because you feel like you played good.
You feel like you did a lot of things right and...
And fix all the things that you did wrong.
Yeah, exactly.
And actually innovated something that would,
well, spoiler, be a really big deal
in one of these future ones, but the 21st Raid Leader
when Max was out on the pool was when that was first done.
And people took note, like, that was pretty good.
That worked pretty good, yeah.
Stay tuned for that show, making an appearance later
in the race before first.
Because at the time, Srype was Raid Leading and calling
inside a method, right?
And Skow as well, and over on that, like you guys
was Max and that.
A big sentiment within the guild at the time
after this race ended is like, do we keep going?
I think there was a lot of drive from the first race
that made people think, oh my god, we can really do it.
We get into the second one and be like, okay, clearly
we messed up, but that was a fluke.
But then you lose three in a row
and it starts to really sink and it's like,
is this a waste of time?
Are we getting frustrated?
We're not accomplishing our goals.
Like, what's the point?
You know, kind of a thing.
And eventually we got sticking around
and started working out.
So where do we wanna put this one?
I don't know, I think Azara was like such a disaster.
I'm kind of inclined to go down to the D tier
on this one. Yeah, I mean, it was more of a spectacle in that you were actually
streaming it and that was cool. Yeah, that holds a special place in my heart at
least, traveling to London. In terms of like people seeing us for the first time
getting to know us. So I wouldn't necessarily put it down in D. For me,
this ranks just low C. Low C. Also, I'm a very biased person in terms of
ranking these things. Like my enjoyment of these races depends on how we did
in the races, right? And that was in them. So no one is here to tell you
you are yeah this is we can rank them however we want we we were we're making a
tier list we can put them by whatever criteria we choose great because I'm
gonna selfishly pick some stuff that makes no sense great all right so after
this there was the actually before this I think was Crucible of storms right
it was right after his crucible storms yeah so Crucible was a mini raid yeah
very cool very bad timing it released like a week before an MDI yeah people
from all the top guilds we're playing in.
And so a lot of guilds did not take this super seriously
to play fully.
Limit at the time didn't even go for it.
Yeah, you guys got your kill on Vesselskabal
and then just like, we're out of here.
Yeah, this was the only raid that I did not participate in
whatsoever, I was in school full time
and at the time I gave the premise of I'm in school
and I'll try to make every race that I can
but odds are I won't be able to make it.
This was the only one I actually could not make.
So my involvement of it was literally zero.
I have no idea what happened in that raid whatsoever.
We had a bunch of different weird tank things going on too.
Trail was tanking.
Max was playing a Havoc DH.
You know, we had a big swap up.
A lot of people were playing specs and classes
that they normally don't play.
It was a weird, very caster having kind of raid.
But also surprisingly, two boss raids
and both of the bosses were just nuclear difficulty.
Yeah, that was so fun.
It was such a great raid too.
just such a shame that like those bosses existed in such a weird structure because they were
great bosses. But yeah, the timing of the release and the fact that it was like a mini raid and it
was so close to the other two raids around it made it very difficult for a lot of guilds to be able
to compete and play in it. But it was very cool because it was when we got to see pieces
take the world first there. Ellie Shaman's supremacy as well. I played Ellie Shaman this
year and they were so good on that last boss. It was fun. You were doing like top damage
And you got to onk for value and then get summoned to a dungeon where you could reset your onk. Cool. Yeah
It was a weird little mini game
You basically have to do a constant cycle of zoning out going to the dungeon where Mirzand
Yeah, you reset your cooldowns reset your onk and then go back because that was part of the strategy
Yeah, I can't put this anywhere, but like I'm obviously as a race like it was I was really cool that pieces got there
This is the when they picked up. Yeah, there's there's some fun in seeing different guilds
Yeah, actually win the race world first not even just like contend but win
Yeah, and that was that was really cool to see but I don't know it was strange because it's not as much of a race as the other one
Yeah, put it in put it a B. I'll let you guys write this one
I could see not ranking it or putting it in D because it wasn't a real race or whatever
But I'll put it in B. I thought bosses were awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's a nice neutral place for it to go
All right, so the end of battle for Azeroth Nailotha the waking city
This was the first one that I was casting and that was really cool.
This was the first time I cast anything as well was the Nileith of Brace to World first.
You were casting MDI before that?
No, no, no. I was casting MDI after this.
Okay.
That's when I got the chance to do those things.
So yeah, I got Max basically took a chance on kind of trying to get me into cast this
the Brace to World first and was very, very grateful to get to go there and do this.
But yeah, I remember everybody was on site. This is the first time we were all on site somewhere in America
To do this race the world first even a bunch of the European players. I remember now was there in the in the pit
Yeah, that also notably was the race that I sneezed on my friends's face
Eric man. Yeah, he's waiting our guild with me right now
I never forget my first time showing up to one of these events being with my loved ones being with the people that
I've been playing the game with for a couple of years now at this point and
You know, I have a habit at home. I get a sneeze
I turn to the left my walls right there and I did the same thing without even thinking it sprayed this guy's smack
In the middle of his face in the middle of our best result though
And he just looked at
It was during a boss damage amp, right like like one of the burns of the boss before he goes into the last phase
And he just turns and glares at me from the side of his eye and then he goes, uh, Atlas
just sneezed on me and I'm like cackling, laughing, falling out of my chair, like still hitting
a blit as I'm like dying.
And I'm like, I'm so sorry, but like this giant mist hit the sky in the face.
You can see it in the clip.
Yeah.
It's visible.
You know what I mean?
Like I sprayed him down and we were just both flying, but it devolved very quickly
after that.
We wiped the territory.
I want to, can we, we should pull that.
We should pull that up now that we're here.
It's always hard to find this. Yeah, that'll pop back up. Yeah, someone link it the rate itself 12 boss raids again
One of those boss or raids where not much happened in the first half of the raid or the first few bosses
The big real shift in it happened on trust again, which is a hilarious little meme and
That was the last boss that Max has ever played inside a raid. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So at the time
We had now tanking for us. So he came in
He was with us in the pit on site, he was raiding with us, and he was not feeling good
that day at all, like unplayably so.
I think he had a stomach issue or something along those lines.
So Max just came in and filled in for him on that boss and tanked the boss, and it
was the most YOLO situation you've ever seen in your life.
He had no idea how the boss worked whatsoever.
Nobody in the raid did, only THD did.
THD was the only person who somehow understood how the abilities worked in that fight.
The dungeon journal was a mess.
It was just like ad slop kind of a thing and teach you to scream big damage coming and then everybody like how do you know that?
He's like, I just know you know, you'd all pop your defensives and live
I think the funniest thing about it is max raid leading the fight was just making it up as he went
Yeah, just randomly toss market be like, I guess we're just killing this blah blah blah and then
Method at the time got to that boss and they were studying our vaude
Analytically, they're like they seem to go here all the time. I don't know what the reasoning is like they go here explicitly for this
We should do the exact same little do they know they don't have our comms, but we're making it up
We have no idea what they're doing. They got stuck on the boss for an extremely long period of time
I think in the entire race to world first's history
That is the single biggest
Pole count gap between the two guilds that has ever existed in terms of scale and it's just like a meme like we weren't
We had no idea what was going on. This is back before comms were streamed right as well
Yeah streaming like you would stream the race you'd have the casters
But then if somebody was streaming on their own channel it would be completely calm. Yeah
Yeah, it was all have the technology of a monster listening back then. Yeah, so it was like a really funny race that that race
We had a very sizable advantage the entire way through it was not it was I remember that one was a
And but at the time yeah, the chatters still thought limit was gonna choke right
That was the thing we had a joke to the several of the previous races or it looked like it if you weren't in the know
We had a legacy of joking, you know, it was expected of us like we're gonna get to the last boss first and just mess it all up
Okay, here's the this clip. Oh my god. All right. Oh boy. Here we go. Oh geez. Oh
man, oh
Just right in the face. I
Felt so embarrassed
Yeah, yeah, well, that's when I saw him looking at me when I realized my crime. Yeah, it was not good
I felt so bad
Yeah, look at that.
Top of the meters.
Look at that.
Where's Eric?
Um, nowhere to be seen.
I think it was just, he was playing with the debuff.
Yeah.
He had a disease that somebody needed to dispel.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't know what to tell you.
Yeah.
Um, sorry, Eric.
I, uh, unrelated.
I'm going to swap spots here for the rest of the shift.
Maybe, uh,
Oh, no, no.
I go left.
Oh, you go left.
Okay.
All right.
Well, you can always compare that.
It's always a recurrent joke.
Every single race that we've ever had where I've swapped my seat or somebody
has swapped the seat to the left of me, they go, I'm in the blast zone.
Lip notoriously has been in the blast zone for multiple races now and he willfully he willingly says that he loves being there. Oh
Yeah, he's he's on him before. No, that wasn't one and done. I've never done that before again
I think if I ever did that again, I would probably need to be put down
Yeah, that's just not a thing because Eric is one thing but lip you can't do that
I'm if anything I'm glad it was Eric because he's like the most kind-hearted
Understanding compassionate person of all time. So like I would hate to sneeze on now, you know
He probably would not be as
I'm trolling or I also griefed now is introduction to North America
You did what I griefed now is introduction in North America. He came over
He well, he's booting up a character. He swapped regions, right?
So you had like a really really poorly geared character and I was like hey dude welcome to North America
I'll take a key for you. We went to Waycrest manor
I'm tired pig room and wiped us like seven times in a row
My bad, dude
Yeah, so I kind of mess with that guy a little bit, but I do miss him.
Um, anyways, back to Nailotha.
Yeah.
So, this raid, a lot of bosses, a lot of them were kind of cool.
My favorite was when you guys despawned Maza.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Everywhere.
That was a lot of funny, funny, funny moments coming out of this game.
Yeah.
So that one was, you guys were on track to kill it with an unintended strategy.
Yeah.
Where you just like didn't go to the intermission room.
Yeah.
And just tanked the enraging damage that the boss was doing that was supposed to
secret mythic room, and Blizzard panicked and despawned the boss for everybody on every difficulty
in North America. Yeah, so the boss had a secret mythic phase, you take this portal, go to into
a separate room, and then they put a mechanic in place that was like a punishment against it,
which is the boss starts pulsing away and it hurts, like it doesn't feel good to sit in it,
but there's no stacking or ramping components at all, it's the same damage over and over, so
we're like, you know, we're feeling a little crazy, what if we just stood out and
He'll do it for a bit and then went to it and then we sat there for like 30 seconds healing through like
What if we just don't go you know and then yeah
They saw that happen live and in our faces despawn the boss and I guess they didn't have like a button to just want
Despawn for us every single person who was pulling the boss at that time had their boss disappear
So we screwed over everyone
at that moment really funny a
Lot of just really funny moments about that mythic phase in general like it's not in the dungeon journal
And that was our first time in a race ever dealing with something like that and we were just throwing crackpot ideas at the wall
Mainly me I was just
Insanely weird shit into the comms and just being like, you know what?
What if we just do this we had this like running joke that Magni would load up the cannon
Yeah, blast this off this yet such a ridiculous amount of HP for it to just be like a hundred to zero burn in the last phase
We're like surely at like 20% you know Magni and mother load up that was always the meme
It was like it's 20% and then you got 20% is like it's 15%
Yeah, yeah, but even prior to that when we went to the the mythic phase which was in the chamber where Magni and mother were like
RPing yeah, I was saying crazy shit like walk up to the the console that they're at and use the extra action button
Use your neck on the console to charge the cannon
You know and we tried that seriously and then figured out that's not actually how you're supposed to do it
Yeah
There does it be despawned for just a random guild. Oh, yeah
Here's a here's a clip of a random build getting those off the spawn and they're
fit right this thing boss that's really funny okay did we win yeah the
captions keep going I guess yeah it was really really funny yeah I was on this
boss for like 210 pulls of it and then sat myself because we needed a little bit
boss damage and DK was like topping the meters but it was horrible at doing
boss image so yeah this was the mages with masterful and it was an
infinity stone setup you needed masterful on all your gear you needed the
font from last year from Eternal Palace you needed like PvP badge to go that
was your double-on use setup so you could have like a huge combustion and
then you needed the like bracers from Mechagon Workshop and you'd collect
all of these things along with the right essences the lucid dreams thing and you
would just go absolutely crazy with your combustion and you could just put a
huge ignite on his off also blow up both of the ads that were next to him in the
history of the race world first that might have been up there there were
more OP things down the road yeah but up there with one of the most
glaringly OP specs that has ever existed absurdly broken yeah like my
guilt hired a mage from another guild after they killed it to kill that
boss literally spawned in on a character called contract mage
Also, this raid was the birthplace of a lot of long long long standing liquid bits through so if you ever heard of horse gang
That came from Daza it was the first group that went down and did the psychist phase. It was the few in the proud
I was an horse gang
We did this ad split up phase and that group had less people in it
So we were holding it down. Yeah an elite screw. Yeah
So now anytime you know you have split sides or something like that and one is doing significantly better than always gets brought back up
But yeah, it was our first raid winning. Yeah, that's I would buried the lead a little bit, but you guys won
It was a win. It wasn't close as well. It was like two days or a day and a half before Method killed it and
Yeah, it was you know, I remember that like they're just the floor shaking in that place
Oh, we were going crazy. Yeah, bananas. We were just screaming the entire time because we couldn't believe it
Also, just hilarious little anecdotal tidbit.
We had our first broadcast with Complexity on their training facility at that event,
and we had somebody from production run face-first into a glass door and leave an imprint of
his face on the door in the middle of one of us, one of our poles on one of the harder
bosses of the raid.
I forget who that was.
And that made for a really, really, really funny moment.
They were really embarrassed, too.
Baris do I remember the casters had to get told to stop talking about it because
It completely wiped us like we were in the middle of a great pole and then we just hear long and then Max
I'm such crying laugh. He's like I need a minute. We can't we can't pull
They're like, hi, what happened? He's like, I just watched this guy eat shit
Was it the door to the the building or one of the rules or side doors
There's a long hallway that stretched down the right. Yeah, that would lead all the way back to the player lounges
Yeah, that one has this transparent glass door that for the most part was open almost at all times because people just use it as a
Walkway for whatever reason it was closed that day and that guy's face first into the thing
It's funny. That's what a pigeons used to do on the back door in my house. Yeah when we had the glass door closed
Yeah, last night or yeah back to making I loathe dude
This is all here where you guys like went to bed
Oh 10 p.m. One night and we filmed you guys walking out of there
And then we like turn the cameras off and you guys all went back in and kept playing with the secret phase, right?
Yeah, and that was that was the first like go dark moment
And you know everybody in chat while we were all casters talking about it. The whole chat was like I just
Hooded them. They're still in the rain or just trying to you know, or delete those messages, you know hide it
It was it was a funny funny funny raid. Yeah a lot of bugs in that raid, too
That we ended up getting fixed. Yeah, I I missed the the chai tea machine. Yeah
Yeah, that machine was nice. Oh my god, did you ever go for a chai tea?
I went for the hot chakis from that. Yeah, well, I remember you would like slide it halfway through the little spigot so that you would get double chocolate.
Oh, yeah, that was the meta choice. Yeah, I missed that thing.
I'm gonna put this one here. This is an undisputed S tier for me. Can't go anywhere. Yeah, I'm gonna put it in A.
You're gonna put it in A? Uh, yeah, just on a personal thing. I think me putting an S is like
like ego hanging fruit, you know, I'm putting an S for you then I agree. I think in terms
of me ranking these, I also care for the spectacle of it. And this one wasn't close. It was a
close finish. All right.
Kind of like it was nice that we won. It was a big, you know, consequential moment for
us to continue doing the race. It was very validating. It felt fantastic. I personally
am just going to put a I'm totally except you're ranking the best though.
Now, yeah, I think I think a close finish should be a prerequisite for us here. I
I think that is indisputable for me.
So I'll put it, I'll put it in a reluctantly.
All right.
So we moved out of battle for Azeroth then into Shadowlands and even equally
as good expansion and we started off with Castle Nathria.
Yeah.
Now this raid was cool.
Yeah.
It had so many great fights and Stone Legion generals was also in that raid.
Left.
Yeah.
That was fun.
Shimmy down.
That was fun.
Okay, so you guys got to council of blood and turned off your streams and we're like we're gonna pull it a little bit for like an hour
Yeah, just to see what it's like, but we don't want to give these strats away and then kill the boss
This raid just had a lot of memorable moments. So council of blood was a three target council fight
Yeah, it was very very very late in our raid day
But this was specifically a boss that we cooked up a week or a and a strat for that we viewed as like a potential advantage
For us a turning point in the raid
So we're like hey, I know it's late in the day. Are we cool with just turning off the broadcast for like two hours?
I promise we won't kill the boss. We're just gonna go make sure our stuff works like pinky promise scouts honor
You know what I mean? And the first pull we got it to like the last phase and we're like
Do we kill it do we not kill it? We actually had that talk
We're like, okay, should we not do it on stream and just show up in the morning and one shot it
That'd be great right and then we just had this poll and I remember in the middle of the poll
They just go nah kill it right yeah, we made sure that there was a recording of it
So we did kill the boss. It was not on stream
The only person that ever had any sort of recording of the boss itself was wolf disco
And he in this infamously had a moment which was embarrassing for him
But he took a gateway to the middle of nowhere. He took a backwards gate
So the official video of it involved him just flying backwards and not doing anything
But yeah, it was it was really funny. We didn't expect to kill it
We did end up killing it it was like pretty significant advantage when we looked at what echo or what method was doing at the time
They were I think this is when they this is the first year where they were echo now. This is the first one of there
Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, that's right. Um, yeah
They they were not on the same board as what we had and what we had was a pretty good advantage
So give us a nice little step up not really all that consequential in the long scheme of things when it came to this
Raid but made for a really really funny moment
Yeah, I think this is a pretty cool finish as well
It was also so it wasn't super close
You guys did win by a decent chunk, but yeah, it was quite close
It was very close the cool part as well like it wasn't a close very finished
But it was close up until you guys won and then I think that kind of there's this effect where when you win a race
sometimes the
That is you know at 1% now
Plates and can't kill the boss. Yeah, and that very much happened there
So it doesn't look as close as it actually was I've been trying to say in terms of the race world first
this was the first time as a player I was sitting there and
and feeling terrified that anyone could win an end boss.
That moment of back-to-back locals.
What was really cool as well is you guys both had
different strats for the last boss.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
That's the last time that an end boss has been killed
with two very different strategies
for how you attack the phase two,
where there's like a add spawn
and you can go in any direction around this room
to do them.
So it's like a long, long, long-standing bit
and it's just been true in the race
every single time we have ever done it
and it makes no sense.
When we choose to go a certain direction,
if it's counterclockwise or clockwise,
Echo does the complete opposite.
And it's just like a vibe thing.
Like we have never shown up
and outside of just strictly copying somebody's strat
out of necessity, because that's the only way it does work.
If you're given the option, they will go one way
and we will go the other.
And it's just based off of like what we prefer.
And Syrus and Atheris was no different.
You know, they did a different ad P2.
They did the exact mirrored thing that we did in P3.
It's funny, because it's like a mirror phase.
So it was just really interesting to watch.
And the fact that the race was so close,
it made for like the first real spectacle in terms of like,
you could pull up both streams at the same time
and see them at the exact same spot.
I remember I was super stressed during this.
It was during COVID.
So we didn't have really a large scale event
where everybody was in-house together.
We only had like a small one of five people.
I was at home.
Remote casters.
Yeah.
I was at home, I was in on this boss too.
I remember when we won,
I like threw my headset down,
started screaming and pounding the desk.
My parents thought I got injured.
So they like ran up and we're checking on me and be like, Oh my God, what are you doing?
I think thd's video of him winning was the best because his parents came in and said,
hello. Yeah, it was so cute. Yeah, they're like, can we come in?
The sweet. Yeah.
This rate holds a very, very, very special place in my heart.
The last boss just insanely cool.
Yeah. I mean, Sire is such a great fight.
Oh, great, great, great fight.
So I'm kind of curious because here, obviously we have like meals and stuff
and you guys are going to sit down there and kind of talk strategy.
How did like when you were away from your keyboard,
what were those moments like during that three years?
It was difficult.
I think this is at a time where we've kind of tried
to standardize breaks a little bit more with the guild,
like we've established the mistakes that we made
in the past in terms of doing that.
So being at home had its own challenges,
like making sure people synced up on their food breaks,
like intermittent breaks between making sure
we're on the same page, making sure everybody is like
adhering to the same sort of habits that we would want
and like an in-person event that are easier to enforce
when everybody's together.
But yeah, it felt a little bit isolating.
I'm not gonna lie.
Like it's definitely the only one, you know?
Like you're the first thing that you're thinking of
is like going and celebrating with your friends,
but really you're, you know, all together.
You should have a home in your room.
Yeah.
And then you got like the sad little loner feeling
of like the people at the event themselves
like getting up and celebrating with each other
and hugging each other.
And you're not necessarily capable of doing that.
Dude, it's like the Europeans that they're
buying themselves like on the couch like,
Hey guys, hope you're having fun over there. Yeah, it's it's sad to honestly when you like watch back the kill videos
It's it's sad to see the people who are at home just kind of celebrating amongst themselves and be like yeah
We're so happy yeah
But there's always a few people within the guild that like put their heads up back on like checking with those guys and make
Sure that they're all taking this night here. I've been feeling involved as well
What did you do for food and stuff at home? Yeah
I have the luxury of my parents at the time were cooking a lot of homemade meals
So I just would take leftovers and stuff like that, but I I mean I was definitely skinny at the time
Okay, I was like 120 pounds under 10 pounds something like that. So my metabolism did not demand much of me
And I wasn't really eating all that much, but it was difficult like having
The expectation of the catering from the event prior going into like making sure that you have substantial and well-timed meals
Enough at home was difficult. So it was a lot of like, you know frozen stuff heated up
Mm-hmm
For me this one goes in s like just I think it could go to
Thematically really cool the bosses really cool lore at the time really cool
The spectacle of it how close it was really cool Christmas time
Yeah, Denathria's had like
And I know complexity sent all of the casters like a little like goodie box a little Christmas goodie box
Yeah, sweet. There's like a candle in there. I kept it for a long time. I didn't want to I didn't want it to
In terms of all of the end bosses they've ever made since our time doing the race world first
I think that he has the most aura out of sure. Oh for sure still does and just an iconic nickname. Absolutely. Yeah
No, not that one. Not that one. Oh, yeah
We dubbed him as double dick Donnie
He was just
Like Ian
referencing that. Like subtly referencing it at one point after you guys won.
Two of those things and when he swings the tanks you feel him.
Yeah, that was good. Dude, he would teleport behind you as well and just like one shot you down.
Mine's locked back on my memory.
Uniquely kinky voice line, you know?
Yeah.
You just, what a man.
Yeah. That was a heck of a fight.
Yeah, this one easily goes an S tier.
And also, at least from an emotional perspective as a player who sat through this,
one of the times which felt even more validating. It made the last prior race
win feel like it wasn't a fluke. We are good enough that we can win, and winning
back-to-back became a meme within the guild. We named our general
channel on our discord back-to-back. Now it's back-to-back-to-back-to-back, but
we're adding on every single win, and that was the start of that.
Alright, so after this, things got a little bit sketchy. We moved to the
Sanktive of domination from high to low. Yeah emotionally speaking the the revenge of echo
Insangtive of domination so this tier had a really fun feature called shards of domination
Yeah, which was a gearing system that was similar to set bonuses if you took all the worst parts and made them worse
and also removed the cool parts of functioning with your class and
At the time nobody really knew the best way to optimize it which would be to have a bunch of mirrors of your class
Play the one that actually got it set bonus and so ended up being the case that you know if any if either guilt had done
That they would have won by a lot
Yeah, but neither guilt did and we ended up with this really incredible night of Sylvanas progression
Where you guys were heartbreakingly close to a kill there was a white the boss ended at 45%
Which everybody thought it'd be 50 at first and then they ended up being 45
There's this poll where echo got at sub 50 and are like shocked
It's not dead because it's right in range that they got a sub 50 and it doesn't die
One of those moments where we datamined that actually does 45 and I don't I'm not sure if they missed it or something like that
Yeah, I remember that morning that they were about to that echo was about to get there
That you guys knew because I remember being in the hotel lobby and hearing about 45 percent. Yeah. Yeah weird weird tier
I think
Just from like a standpoint of someone being bitter about the tier. I'm biased very negatively
Against this one for multiple different reasons
This was one of those tiers where DK was just ungodly OP, like super, super, super strong.
Moon kid is a venthyr moon kid, oh my god.
Yeah, but based on our dummy testing, it wasn't doing all that good in that one, so I didn't get any showing of anything on any boss.
I did eye of the jailer for the weapon, and then outside of that I was subject to just nothing.
So I didn't really get to participate in this, even though DK was broken, and I think it was a bit of a miss from our guild in terms of that.
So that felt a little bit bad for me.
The start of domination acquisition was purely RNG,
which felt absolutely horrible.
And the amount of power you got from it was comical.
It was like a 20 to 30% DPS swing
if you got the good one versus like nothing.
So that felt very, very frustrating.
And notably a lot of the bosses were just complete jokes
and were cheesed.
And that felt really bad.
All the early bosses got completely plowed through.
KT, the second and last boss,
infamously got cheesed.
and Guardian of the First Ones after Sludge Fist, one of the greatest
patchwork boss. We didn't talk about it in Castle Nathria, but
absolutely incredible single target might, and then Guardian of the First Ones fell over.
Complete slot. Yeah. So a lot of the raid felt very, very underwhelming. Granted,
Sylvanas, amazing boss. Yeah, especially the last phase. What a, what a beauty boss.
Like one of their first times ever making a real spectacle of a fight with an important
work after so it felt cool doing the fight you know what I mean yeah on normal
heroic it was a little bit boring but on mythic it was crazy mythic was a lot
faster pace as well you didn't have spent five minutes in p2 my favorite
moment from that here was hippo hippo scream yeah pieces when pieces got
world-third after getting their fifth and they beat method and bdg to the
boss dying and yeah that was a very loud yeah yeah yeah all the time one of the
Notable parts of our progression on this fight to that also was deeply frustrating was we had a poll where it was killable
And we were deep into I remember this whole we had one of our healers DC trying to DC
Yeah, actually nor a DC nor a DC right on our bus pole which felt horrible it granted
You know there's so much more of the fight left. We're still dealing with some of the stuff on the last platform
Dude could avoid for sure but that it was like 2 a.m. Yeah
You guys got this poll and this was this awful time in progression where you are getting better at the fight
Slower than you're getting tired. Yeah, so you're just you know that like it's it's getting worse
Yeah, yeah, and you're hitting the wall and you have to go to bed
But you know if you go to bed you're gonna lose. Yeah, and you went to bed and you lost
You know, what can you do? Yeah, this this rate for me doesn't necessarily stand out all that much
I think that a majority of the bosses were pretty underwhelming or just completely
setting to even see the state of how they were compared to the last boss.
I think the gearing system left a lot to be desired.
I think in terms of the spectacle, it was kind of fun to watch the goats side to side and being so close.
So that's a very redeeming quality.
It's like objectively, it sucked to be on the losing side, but objectively it was a great finish.
Yeah, maybe there's one in that one.
You watched for like eight hours, you guys almost killed it.
It made for a cool race, you know, but from a personal perspective, very frustrating.
Yeah.
these personally to deal with so I don't think I'm very suited to rank this one I'll leave
it up to you guys but not my favorite.
Yeah I think either.
It's redeemed a little by the ending being really fun to watch.
And I do think that at least saves it from D tier.
I wonder if it saves it from C tier for me.
I think maybe not.
I'd be happy with C tier for it.
It skirts the line.
Because it doesn't have great boss fight.
Payne Smith-Razznail was a great boss fight and then Silvanus especially B3 was
good.
Yeah.
Fagecrab is awful, like it was this mechanic where it's like, oh you can have two people in and it moves right
Or one person in and it moves left and you just always move left and all down. Yeah, yeah, so yeah KT you you ignored the mechanics
Yeah, yeah, C is as high as I can go for it. I think yeah, I'd probably put it in like mid C
You know what? I mean if we were ranking it somewhere, but
Definitely a lot to be desired for that one for sure. All right after this
It's time for sepulcher of the first
So this is your first year under the liquid banner. Yeah, that was
Yeah, I wonder if they were like what have we gotten ourselves into here. Oh
I don't want to spend too much time on this right
It was a 27 day. Yeah
Justing like disgusting nobody in our guild was having fun. We were so tired
We're in Foxboro at the time. It's like negative 10 degrees every single day
The the food had issues in was cold the rate settings that issues we had maintenance problems
There's bugs on the bosses
We had a really think one of the coolest tied with the coolest moments of all time in the rest of first to me
Two tanks soloing yeah mythic anduin from like 5% to 0 which made just for like an insane spectacle to watch
Really high moment, but granted
We had a horrible time after that and and that's nothing but part of like poor play and maybe a little bit of murder also
Like who's prepped for a race that long right?
We didn't yeah
Nobody knew at the time you had to be ready for a race to go yeah, but into the
Little bit of bias out of it. I think this is one of the very few times where echo played
Insane like genuinely insane
they always have this capacity to climb back into a race no matter how far behind they are on something like this and
And the emotional high of killing Anduin first, which basically was for all intents and purposes, an end boss, right, in terms of difficulty.
For them to then show up on the words of Dredd and Rhygalon and play so good on those two bosses was insane, let alone the Jailer.
The gap on the Jailer from Echo compared to Liquid at the time, nuts.
Like that was a completely different level of skill that they had over Liquid.
playing that like the start progression on day 14 of the race or whatever and be able to play at that
level was ridiculous. True grit coming out of those guys, like major major kudos. It was a boss
that played to the strengths of what that guild is specifically good at and the absolute biggest
weaknesses of Liquid as a guild and what they're the worst at and a lot of the frustration and
burnout of that tier left for a bad experience but again one of the coolest raids in terms of
of the bits that came out of it.
Oh my gosh, so many bits.
The Laundrous bits, the Jailer bits,
these little bits made for a really, really interesting time.
I was thinking of End Boss Rain,
I'm waiting for a good period of time.
A lot of memes coming out of that.
There was a lot of memes coming out of all the early bosses.
And to give it its flowers, the Raid had cool bosses.
Yeah, it had five bangers in a row, basically.
Well, I wouldn't count Lord Dread,
but Laundrous, Anduin, Raigalon, Jailer,
all had these incredible, I mean,
the difficulty on them all was absurd.
Rhygolin was so cool. Rhygolin had this cool thing as well where both the DPS check and the HPS check were impossible
And you have to find a way to do them, right? Yeah
So one guild, five guild, one guild, four guild, and it was like can you either find the healing or the damage to somehow do this
And both guilds were able to without that second legendary, which was absurd
I mean doing that without the double legendary that came that was available next week. Yeah was ridiculous
Did you forget about Dunkin' Donuts? Yeah, what was your experience with that? Yeah, it's strange. Everything about that, everything was strange
They were so mean everything, but then they were randomly really nice to like a few select people
Yeah, I just stopped getting coffee
I think I sustained myself
There's a smoothie shop in that mall because I didn't really get to catering that often because it's
The food would run out every single
A lot of smoothies every single interaction I had with somebody who was a local there felt like an inhuman experience
Yeah, it was free
It was like a simulation. Yeah. Yeah, it was surreal for me
So this race I was casting for echo and it was absolutely surreal because we were just in this like
Gamer hotel in Hamburg, Germany, and I was just in there for like a month straight, right? Yeah, you know sleeping in there
The event was in there. Okay. I was gonna ask you go house
22 days in I had somebody getting tased outside of my hotel
Yeah, there was a football game that they had in the stadium next door and they all got insane
Yeah after the game they're all violently drunk and we had people literally banging on the door screaming
This guy was just 2 AM, you know, and we're fed up.
We're losing at this point.
We're upset at the state of the race.
Right. I feel burnt out.
As you know, this guy just bang on the door, like, ball 502
for like an hour straight.
And then somebody tases him and he falls to the floor
and it was just a nightmare.
That was also before there was laundry figured out.
Oh, yeah. Oh, no.
You had to find a time to do your laundry at a hotel
that was a 15 minute walk.
Well, you know while and your guys schedule was a lot more rigid than mine. Yeah, and I struggled. Yeah
That was really hard to do crazy moment the employee who worked at the place that was hosting us was down when you held in ring during our mythic
progression
He'd all sing everybody's latency because it was set to have all the main with channel the single download
Yeah, that was just ridiculous
Things happening left and right corner of despair don't miss it
This one goes solidly in detail for me and not even because we lost by such a substantial margin just everything about itself
Yeah, I don't know. I I have very fond memories of this one because like good for you, Dr
No, I'm not just because I was over on the winning team for this one
But like just it was just like such a different thing than all the other races
I feel like I came out of that race a different person that I went into it
And that was that was kind of cool. But yeah, I'll put it I'll put it in detail at once
But I will say just to be personally this one. There's that you can probably
the most memorable one.
I'm going to mess with the stipulation that I am biased to every single one of these.
I think that getting your perspective on the Octuralists and all these races a bunch of
times is your first time doing this.
It's really nice hearing your side of the story.
Yes.
Poker, thumbs down.
Also, we skipped my gavel run three weeks in a row, so double thumbs down.
The most broken weapon to have ever been put in the game.
People didn't want to pollute their vaults with the Jailer heroic loot.
Did you ever go back into the back rooms of that place?
Oh, it was bizarre.
There was like 10 year old expired starburst there. Oh, no
I'm in like cuz I had a computer that got set up but I never used it because it was so far away from everything was like
You went to the back room and then in that back room
There was a background and then there was another back room in that back room and then for some reason
I could see into like the cod practice room from that room
Which was also really strange. Yeah, this because this was before the Alienware shame facility was built, right?
This is when it was like under being renovated here. Yeah, it was like being ready yet. Basically. Yeah, so we had to find somewhere else
and it ended up being Boston.
Crazy circumstances surrounding that raid.
The castles were also right next to us with a spotlight on it.
I remember the...
I apologize.
You guys just get yelled at to be quieter, right?
Yeah.
And it was like these really tall stools where the desk kind of was a little splintery and
there wasn't really anywhere to lean on it, so I ended up just kind of sitting there
like an owl.
Yeah.
This for just for eight hours.
I saw some clips through you guys of like, I saw cams eating a banana in the funniest
way anybody's ever eaten a banana.
is the funniest clip I think ever from any race. Yeah. Have you seen that? This one?
Oh, it's good. Yeah. It's a it's a glorious and cams did a night show. Um, and they would
have a different theme every night. And this one was a film noir theme. And cams was just
like, I know, Kalamazoo was this like bartender guy. And then I don't know, cams wrapped
it up by meeting with an odd to show it to you. I'm not explaining well, but it's
pretty funny. All right, we got to speed run the rest of these if we want to get
done by the end of our shift so we got it let's try and do a two minutes for the remaining races
give our spiel and give a ranking and come conclusion all right so after shadowlands
we went in to dragonflight and we had the fault of the incarnates which uh was another Christmas
raid uh in fact it would have been a new year's raid if razziga had not been nerfed so on Christmas
eve morning yep the uh santa arrived and nerfed that loss by so much that it died the pull
afterwards for Echo while you guys were still asleep.
Yeah, long story short for those un-initiated.
The raid itself was cool. The boss was leading up to it, very cool.
Enjoyable experience, relatively painless outside of Korok.
It was literally impossible and the response after he gave feedback to it
was just ridiculous. They took a hard stance on that one and
lo and behold the full day later they were like, you're right.
So then they changed it. It was just wall after wall after wall
reaching these bosses that are just straight up impossible
and felt very frustrated to do that nerfs.
Razageth famously has an intermission that's an ad phase,
just straight up impossible.
The intention was splitting at the rate 10-10
and not really worrying about the ads too much
because you have a boss burn right after.
We sent 20 to one side.
We lusted it, used our pots, every single cooldown,
just barely after multiple times of doing that
was able to do it once, ever.
And then stuck on that for a really long time,
just basically sitting around wasting our time waiting for nerfs.
Yeah, it needed to get nerfed by like almost half
Yeah, and then you shut the next phase that one needs a nerf you shut them the next phase that one needs a nerf
So, you know, we get to this very frustrating period where we were gotten a period of
Deep frustration with the entire raid as a whole and then famously get to the last phase
Which you know is just way too unfeasible in terms of the health values that were presented with and how long that phase went for
And then they end up nerfing it while we're sleeping then echo kills it literally in one pull when they wake up deeply frustrating situation
I personally
Wasn't as affected by the nerfs as much. I think it's a little bit overblown in terms of like how mad people get sometimes
It's so out of your control that I can do yeah, dude
That sucks like what the hell and then you just move on like it's it's it's there's no point in being that mad about it
You know, but again one of the most ridiculous things that happened in the race will first and really long time and I got personal
gripe with this
Tier in particular. I have never been screwed on the more in my life
Um, DK was OP as hell on Razageth and they wanted me to play and I was unplayed
Because of your gear? My gear was so bad dude
And then there's a trinket that was like just about your base
And it comes off a dungeon with three items on the loot table
And I spent an entire week spamming this thing with helpers to eat trade me it
I didn't see it one time. I collected like 20 belts. Yeah, so I just never hit my trinket
I came in for a few pulls at it complete ass damage and then that was my experience with Razageth. So
So, deeply frustrating detour from me personally, but again, heavy, heavy bias because the state
of how we lost definitely affects that.
I think it's fair.
Yeah.
Not a lot of reasoning.
Just the tuning catastrophe as a whole.
I think even if you take the bias out of it and you're looking at it as an objective,
you point from what you want out of the race, it sucks.
We've forever given the team with fan-based anxiety about sleeping, when you're going
to wake up.
True.
Yeah.
That's really fun to deal with.
What happened in the next raid? Oh, yeah, let's talk about it. Yeah, Sarkarath
So this was Aberus the shadowed crucible
One week to the last one week to that we've had yeah
Super super fast a lot of the bosses kind of like fell over. It was a relatively easy raid all things considered
Last boss was sick like really cool in terms of how the fight played out and the way the mechanics worked
But it wasn't necessarily tuned very difficult
Famous moment where we turned off our streams
Going dark going dark on this boss. We got to a deep part of p3
That was a pivotal turning point in the race in terms of our strategy for it
I remember being in on the boss and
Seeing what echo is doing and being like they're doing it all wrong like this
And it caused bombs for them down the road five minutes from now
We ended up with a really really really good p3 strat capitalize on it played really well, and then we
Did a little pump fake we went to bed and we're like alright guys
We'll see you later tomorrow and then showed up at 5 a.m. Yeah the next day slept like two three hours
Oh, yeah, right back in there and tried like just turning competition mode back on being like oops
There's 30% of the boss's health enjoy seeing that one, you know
Horrible move in the grand scheme things took us way longer to kill the boss
And it should have had we just slept because we were just so far ahead at that point that it would have been
Throw not to do that learning point for us, but we did end up winning the race
I'll tell us this one in a like I think the raid was cool
I think the bosses were cool. I think the spectacle of the race was cool a lot of cool moments coming out of it
We're the teams right back and forth, but nothing particularly stand out at that
Yeah, a bit too quick as well too much ratio of splits to regression from for my taste yeah
I think we got in a mythic on Friday kill the boss like a date. Yeah
All right, then we have a miradrasil the dreams hope
Starts off with the fun reputation exploits the seeds. Yeah
A lot of drama surrounding going into this raid, a lot of drama surrounding the last boss,
a crazy viewer experience, you know.
I think one of the real first crazy, crazy head-to-heads you've ever seen in a guild where
anything could be decided by a pin drop, honestly.
Like 1-2% for both guilds repeatedly.
Oh my god, yeah, the fire axe split screen, and it went for like a day.
It was like a full day of both guilds up 5%, because the end of the fight was just
so hard.
8 people carrying seeds, if they were hit by any line, it would wipe the raid.
That's right.
Yeah, and then they have to dodge, every single person has to dodge for the entire last 30 seconds of the fight.
Yeah.
And that was so fun.
And Tindral also being just a crazy ass second to last boss.
Absolutely ridiculous, yeah.
So really, really fun raid in terms of the boss design, even leading up to it, even though the prior bosses all died really quick.
Small drawn, insanely cool boss.
Tindral, very cool boss.
itself very cool boss maybe a little bit to be desired in terms of like how the fight played out
but at least from the spectrum perspective it phase one was sick yeah very very very fight the seeds
mechanic and yeah that was that was really fun just just like a very very cool fight randomly I was
raid leading B3 that was interesting um and we did lose this tier it was a pretty heartbreaking
scenario it felt pretty bad but I don't hate the raid I feel like the viewing experience was cool
I think there wasn't necessarily any gearing problems that were very frustrating and I think it made for a cool rating experience
So right me. Yeah, where are we putting it? I put this one in like low a high B
All right, we'll throw it up in a tier. All right for a mere to sell what we got next
All right, then we move in to the war within
Narobar Palace. Hmm. This is the first time I was personally here at the alien training facility. Yeah, yeah
This is a welcome a cool cool place to be for that one great start. Yeah, it was an awesome race
Anshark was such a what a boss what a boss crazy boss. Yeah, I think
I mean, this is
There've been a lot of great bosses over the years, but Anshark was something special
Yeah, it's a spectacle of a fight. Yeah, well insanely hard. I think this is sure
This is when they really cranked up the difficulty knob in the race world first
Not only just for like that boss, yeah all the bosses
It was so fun as well
And I think this is the the most I've gotten to progress like a world first version this fight
We didn't kill it on that on that version, but we kill we got it. We were entering P3
Yeah, we made it through P1 P2 of the pre nerf version and
Wow, that was that was something else to be able to sell because they have great rate to be a DJ player
Oh, yeah, brooch. I was having a time of my life
Really really cool raid really cool mechanics satisfying to play my class the race
I think was a great spectacle people were enjoying the competition between the two kids
I was a little bit less close at the end than you would have liked
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like a photo finish would be really cool
But I think just everything leading up to it made for fun viewing experience
Same little mini-game of like the guilds are close. There's a fun little mode game where Liquid takes the second last boss a little bit early
Kivesa, you know low light in terms of tuning tuning
But from a viewer perspective one of the coolest bosses they've ever designed from a viewing perspective
And to play it once they once they made us you didn't do the one tank thing where you had to use all your beer
As is on the tank. Yeah, I think it was a pretty fun fantastic play as well
But yeah that particular part of it any fight where you have to use all your beer
Your essence to save a tank. Yeah, it's just sucks because now one death and it's over small with very frustrating with
It's small with for an otherwise great fight. I love this rate
I think it goes and has to your personally for me
I think insurrect was one of the most fun bosses I've ever had in my life despite it being the low light
I think that my professional career ever in terms of personal mistakes
I killed the shit out of us and then did it again. Um famously got told to unspec abomination. Oh
Shame took that one off my boy
Oh, yeah, just just an insanely cool fight webblades was just one of the coolest mechanics of all time. Yeah, all right
All right, three left liberation of undermine. Mm-hmm. This boss or this raid was cool up until
Stomatically sick one of the coolest ones of all time jazz music playing fun. Yeah bosses weird little quirks sticks was a train wreck
Absolute shit when our bandit was kind of cool. I think longer was sweet swatts rock monger was great
Yeah
Mugsy was sweet Mugsy was really cool
It was cool except for the part where the like ignite spread thing was so powerful and important
It had its gimmicks like buggy. Yeah, but even from a player perspective
I've never seen a raid boss do that to raid frames. Yeah
Such an extended period of time watching what the healers were going through MP3 was hilarious. Yeah, genuinely
No, well as a player to it's like that wouldn't happen to me, but Viki was so unplayably bad though
Yeah, it was not dude right at all, but do you remember the the bug?
Callers where they were just a different position. Yeah, yeah, very very frustrated. That was that was yeah
Gallywix is like a hidden dungeon journal. It's like, oh my god. What's this doing? I think it's so cool
It's an entirely no dungeon journal fight and then it died in like five hours
Looking down the hole in the center of that fight being like, oh, there's gonna be like a secret phase
Like there's like arrows down there something's gonna happen when they go into the hole and then it just flopped over
Yeah, yeah, it left a little something to be desired that emboss was too easy for what it should have been
I believe yeah, but overall luckily mugsy was nuclear difficulty. I
Lo be
What I'll give it, you know, there's some redeeming qualities to it
But I just don't think the tuning of the rate was was proper
I think it left for a very very bad viewer experience
Yeah, like I got stuck on mugsy and we just want to kill the Galliants before they even got to pull the boss
That feels horrible, but we did get the THD like
Yeah
They may have funny bits but in terms of comparing it to these other ways to where like the viewing experience and the player experience was so
High that one. I don't think anybody walked away from that satisfactory or satisfied with ending of it
And even the players themselves were like what a cheap one. You know, yeah, like it didn't feel like you earned it
Yeah, so but that is quite a contrast to
Mana for Joe mega man if we're to mega. Yeah banger banger for sure absolute banger cool
cool lore implications, very very cool bosses. Some of the most visually spectacular fights.
Did you play with in-game music? Uh, I don't. Okay, you missed out on Dementia's.
In-game sounds. Dementia's just got like this choir that's
just like yelling in the background of the T3. Just a sick overall raid from top to
bottom. He even met early bosses even though they're super easy. Yeah. Felt fucking
good. Portrayed for Varaz was not. Oh yeah, Portrayed for Varaz was turned up to
11 yeah, that was crazy. Um that
Knocks it down a little bit in my mind because I'm like what the hell yeah, what's that doing here?
Yeah, but the demon hunter council boss, although it is like council slop. I I thought was cool
I thought it was a good council
Yeah, just it could be worse and but like visually and lore-wise say what a way to introduce a new spec as well
Yeah, yeah, especially that's that way
frackless complete mother. Oh god
We we choked bad on that boss like really bad our strat was asked and we just copied what echo did echo did a great
better yeah but just the fact that like you can have a boss entirely solved prior to the
great coming out from the course that's not good but next king salazar fantastic boss so cool very
cool insane aura very cool concept very fun way that it played out very fun nickname and we got
another one as well with the end of the tier having just back to back oh low pulls yeah echo
one percent yeah echo point classical yeah that was one where i was like i wish i was wearing a heart
monitor my watch kept being like hey you seem a little stressed out today also one of the
selfish moments for me one of the coolest moments for me where I just come in off like top ropes you
know lip gets a little sick can't play I'm just in out of nowhere and then I feel like I played
pretty well on that boss so it was like a nice little hat on my back for myself yeah I was fine
but that last phase was something crazy super super cool boss super tense insanely difficult
that one easily has for me and has nothing to do with how we performed but rather it was just
Yeah, that was an incredible race for sure and then March on Kelton us the most recent here a few months ago
We've come full circle
This was tough to make yeah, so it featured a month of prep
Yeah, including mythic splits after the voidspire fell over on mythic and you had a full half week still
Yeah, to do more content you're like, I guess we'll just do four bosses on mythic and
Big thumbs down to everything up until you got to Bella
You know everything left a little bit to be desired, Voice Fire was too easy.
Although the concept of Voice Fire was really cool, the bosses are cool.
You know for easy bosses, they are fun to play to a point.
Is it a tuning miss?
Yeah, tuning a little bit off maybe.
The fact that we split it so many times just made for a really weird experience, like
never before seen kind of a thing in Racefield first, which I guess is unique.
Not in a good way though.
Yeah, but not in a good way.
I think viewers tuned out.
You know what I mean?
It's like, oh, why are we doing it?
Nothing to do. It was really low. Yeah, I don't envy the casters
It's like what you guys gonna do, you know, yeah
A lot of bits that we did. Yeah
But everything about that was kind of wack alleria is like a secret fight, you know
Yeah, it was cool. It was cool the concepts that they had in the fight were very cool
It was just too harder. It'd be great like yeah, that's fantastic, but it was a cool fight
So um
That one gets a thumbs up for me just like tuning this which doesn't really matter because and then Laura's oh my god
Bellarin insanely cool fight insanely cool concept very satisfying to play as a melee player and then Laura's just like you know
Oh my god, banger after banger after banger after banger the hardest P1
I think it has ever existed on a boss of all time
Spectacle of the fight in P3 P2 P1 even the secret phase secret phase like a whole line moment for that to even happen
Yeah, so this one ranks very very high for me
I don't know if it cracks s
I think high a would be a good place. I think it's like just on the cusp of s but like high right for nilode
Yes, I think from a viewing perspective
This has got to be the coolest one. I mean the lura experience of like the secret phase reveal
I mean there were articles written about that. Yeah, and the LA times here. Yeah. Oh, yeah
Yeah, right very cool. I think so too. Let us know chat
What do you think and that's actually gonna wrap up this casting block
That means we were all done and we are gonna go on a break
But in the meantime let us know in chat how you would rank these raids yourself
Maybe some personal experiences from you how it was as a viewer for any of these tiers and in the meantime
We're gonna head on into a monster energy listen and we'll be right back
Oh, I think it's fine.
Good vibrations today.
Ah, yes.
Yeah, Grig should be up. Need one DPS pedal down.
Or a team tree, sorry.
One DPS team tree, but also pedal down.
Alright, we can...
Not many people in here yet.
As you zone out you can just come back in we'll do the first pack and then we'll do a big skip
You really pulled through on these last two bosses like against there was three bosses in here like against all odds
You think about it like Sentinels
They work I mean that's just how that's how we got to do it man
You can't be called by having a full mental breakdown.
With how slow the first grouping went, boom was legit fucking mad.
Barred up wouldn't stop yapping in the pro lab.
Yeah.
Ryan was fully against us, had no faith.
I saw someone did to pull the bus.
Okay.
He was driving full slow.
Everyone dismissed.
He was looking at us, his rex screen being like they're wiping huge smile on this face
to be pulled through then they wipe literally slam desk okay well you know he was dragging
me out of the channel right at various lines to make sure that I don't kill one thought
then have you left one you guys saw the check yeah don't kill one sir this one this one
keep it up hey everyone stop then stop then you have come again up damn
don't go legit don't go legit don't go up stop
you think yourselves masters of what's this girl
we will know we will know if you kill it by the way
hold me but bones crumble
are you trying to kill?
we don't want to kill
The coils still have with our even stone got a memory
I'm legit flowing right now. You buried me with your idea. Yeah, sure. Yep
Pebbles is actually in the way like all kinds of shit. Yep. No trash skip except first boss
I mean, it's just a matter of first boss, yeah. First boss is a lot of univ.
Look at this skip over here.
Everything else is pure fucking brute force.
Fuck it.
Welcome to the Red Apples.
Yeah, welcome to the Red Apples.
I'm gonna have another guy throw a fucking...
...with this save on first boss.
Holy chat, bro.
Oh wait Mer- Wait Mer- Miss, can you hear me?
I don't know if you're in this room or not.
Okay, yeah. Uh, we are only doing this boss and then...
Yeah, I think we're only doing this boss. I don't know, did you just join?
Were you someone that we just invited?
How's apples?
You been here? Okay.
Go to the edge if you have to see both.
Hold on one second, let me just call this.
Don't be in front of the boss here, there's gonna be a line, don't be in this.
Yeah, we're doing this one and then we're done with this group the rest of the fights
I think we're doing them all with the guild eats. We're gonna like combine the groups
Yeah, but I think it's the group though it
We're doing normals like we're finishing the last two
Yeah, we're doing the game and we're getting back to the line here. Do not be where the line is a bunch of marks
Everyone watch out hunter
Yard hey, it's just soaking one early soaking one early is good. That's actually good. So yeah, I thought we're gonna try this rewind it
Yeah, that's all that one. Hey yard save the group with that group
Yeah, just testing it.
I mean it is good.
We're gonna get a massive
massive frontal here.
Don't be in front of the boss.
Everyone count the 5 and 5.
Hopefully your top is right now.
We're dead.
Don't be in front.
Good save, girl.
If you can save by moving out.
Good save, Red Ness.
Save the group.
I'm gonna call one guy that has been MVP this run one person that has been MVP you will
get 200k extra last ball all right that oh that guy's insane yeah fuck it
across we're going to this guy look now start counting from five when you're
done counting you want to be out of this frontal
get out!
bang!
D-Rest
oh fuck we don't have
uh we'll get you soon
breathe count to one
there's a lot of shit
over here
i think i'm gonna
go
dude
that's what we're gonna do bro
I
Know primary pebbles do not leave any fucking people behind you will be getting rid of your music be first-class
No one else. Sorry, by the way
The weapon again
I mean, you know what it is right?
I think it's hidey so they're shaking something up
can't believe
the way it went
I think this kills me now
no middle is safe we try to
oh
you can always
you're not losing health
you're not losing health there
I'm telling you
we're still in middle
whole fight
we had Drani test it
and then we kicked him out the group
you gotta get into the way do you ever get
let's make sure we get a trinket too
yeah there's like a boost
yeah boom
we're just gonna see how it's going
yeah that's a good point
oh nick come on let's go to the crest
you have a plus one over here
on the right side it's still off
scissor I gotta get to take a shit
oh we're going straight and I'm gonna
straight and I'm gonna
We're going to be a pebble.
They made me the last coil.
You're living seal round her prison.
I suck.
That guy looks over and there's a shrink on our screens.
No, who let me in?
Oh, bro.
See, that's not for the Japanese guys.
No, he used to be a pebble, right?
What's a pebble always a pebble, bro?
Yeah, true.
I mean, some of you can now say you're a pebble.
Look, you have to less.
We'll move to the top of the hood.
Proud to be a pebble.
Yeah, I'm toning.
I'm literally toning for a son of a...
Bro, why?
I don't know, but sometimes I get a flashback, like,
oh shit, this time it requires a ton.
Oh, so...
Oh, so that flashback would be fucking wrong.
Yeah, flashback would be a wrong.
Just mad.
Don't be in front, don't be in front.
Do we have a toned spiral?
Yeah, I got you.
Yeah, thanks.
That was all me.
This is gonna be the late damage here.
Watch your health, watch your health.
Pressure relief?
Nah, stay steady.
Yes, yes, yes, it's a strat.
Oh, it's the no-smart.
Strat is no-smart on this, but...
Strat is no-smart.
Yeah, you're up with some golden arrows.
Damn, man.
I like golden arrows.
You're healing. God damn, guys.
Oh, no change, bro.
Suck it up.
Oh, nice.
Amazing work, everyone.
Well done, well done, well done.
I trade me and then we're going to the old heroic,
like, most recent one.
We're doing numerous
Yes, give me quick
All right, thanks for helping guys
Literally head-on desk
Yo, boom, can you please give him five bucks?
Come on, boom give him five, if you give him five then
The dude breaks it for five
He's just smiling, he's actually having a great time
Now that he's pissed off
Oh my god, he's really pissed
We have to wait for anyone from this, but for the Nemesa
Yeah, you guys just have no metal fortitude
I think we just deal with this and they do it first.
I mean respect, respect to that guy.
Who has our name, Ressacre?
and
ideally it's like seventy four seventy two seventy three
Hello Lip, I have accepted your invite.
Hello, Peadle.
Yo, Peadle, Peadle, don't bet in the queue.
Wait.
Ready to log in?
Yo, what guest should I get a meme on?
legit going someone to save 30
yeah you can't go home and save
no someone to save
bring some cloth check
yep sure
okay this new weak war is like the smallest techs ever
what is this circle coming
oh my god
bro it's so
the problem I have with fixing the ores is
I gotta fix it on all accounts so I'm not gonna take it
Come on, let's go there.
We'll just hit the fucking dry scoot.
Nice.
You hit that today, Shaq?
Yep, might as well.
We need any helpers, alright, we follow.
Alright, let's check.
Oh, we're going to have to replace some people if we have to go normal.
Just keep in mind, guys, if you guys are on the channel, then...
Then, head up.
Or did he have to think he was using something?
Of course I need to set it to heroic, so we can go inside.
Oh, it was there.
Oh yeah, pastly to someone.
I don't think we need to find Jailor.
Oh, I have Lee.
Oh, big boom.
Is anyone on the instance?
me
I don't want to do it.
It would be on a recipe.
Thank you for the sub.
Okay, I'll just make sure you're unsaved
The everyone type of hot in the chat, okay
Be me
Yeah, I'm good for good. I'm good. I'm not more than that. I'm not more than that
Yes, let's get ready to attack the trash legit right here brother
Why did it become enisted?
It's because he promoted me.
But I think we have enough people anyway.
Where do we now?
Fucking EU.
Well, I know how to fix this.
I love that you can't make groups mate.
He is the leader now.
I'm right. That's the way to look at it man.
How often do you guys do it?
I will not shit myself for any of you.
Exactly.
Come on, Goop.
Join the fucking brotherhood.
No, we didn't know.
Come on.
Legit, disrespectful man.
In the TSC, you do like one every two days.
Whoa.
What? Was that someone else?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Nice bro.
Usually, unless it's on me already.
but uh yesterday no poop so today poop
we will summon
today we need one more person
I think in a couple of no bad is our group
yeah I'm saying not to is
with couple what couple locked no that is
oh let's see here now
Brunkter! Can you hear me? Brunkter! And Nostoxo!
Let's put him after the sticker.
Yeah.
Nostoxo is whispering me. He's probably here. Yeah, he's getting it.
Hello everyone
Yo, yo, uh, do we have anyone from our group missing? Where are we all here?
I feel like we're missing someone but we're missing
I don't know
Is everyone here from our guild? It looks like we've got
We're loading 14
We supposed to have 15
Yeah, we're missing
I don't know. Oh, no, we're not we're not missing anyone
This guy's got up in group one.
Oh, that's true.
Alright, up in group one, yeah.
Number one.
Collins on that, too.
Okay.
If you're a pebble, type one.
Pebble.
Budget pebble, right?
Yeah.
Nice.
One DPS pebble down.
We need a heals.
One heals.
If you want to, then you should have your respects.
Oh, guys, I just saw something else in Team Tree.
Oh, man.
I scooped you, fuck this.
Oh, yay.
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Or on patch notes watch. It's about that time. It is
Blizzard said they were gonna be doing
Class tuning every week for the first four weeks of this patch
Usually the notes for the for the patch go in on Friday for the next Tuesday and
And five o'clock on Friday is about when we're expecting them we're 20 minutes past that so I think in the next 30 minutes
We should be expecting whatever tuning notes are gonna be for next week. What do we expect?
You should go to the more definitely buffs
Listen we have the warlock desk on cast you know all three warlocks here
We're kind of hoping for a flitching buffs warlock does have a bunch of the worst specs in the game right now
Yeah, that's Joe actually is very strong right now. I wouldn't be surprised to see that
probably just not touched at all. Fluxen needs buffs though, but usually like in
the middle of a race tier you expect them to bring up the underperformers. Not
not necessarily nerf the outliers unless they're like really out there. Like arms
might actually be too out there right now. I could see that get hit with like 2 or 3%
nothing too crazy though. The best thing they could do is nerf the sweeping
strikes damage conversion. That makes sense. Which is like I sweepy strikes copies
95% damage it could be lowered you know if you think about like sure there's like
you're not really an opportunity cost at all for putting a sweep really even like
pressing the global for the base belt is like a half global so yeah so I mean
yeah I could see you know maybe they get it down to like 85% something like that
I can see that happen feel like a full orb up would be a little bit you know I
I mean their single was really good if for sure. It's like you know top five, but it's not OP
You know in my opinion, I think it's the pure single doesn't really need to be touched
Okay, sir. In the past like Destra locks they have nerve Havocs modifier as well, which like copies 70% 60
I think it's like 70 now, but I'm not even sure it is it changes all the time
But yeah to like less than the amount of cleave we have one not really hitting our single target
Which to be fair is that we're good in the first place, but yeah, I can see that happening actually
It was really funny you mentioned that because three weeks ago they did a tuning pass right before the tier right and they specifically said
Destro is two strong and new targets or nerfing the haddock modifier from 60 to 50
But they compensated by buffing its single target by like 5%
So like it seemed like it was a net neutral with them just buffing its single target for no reason
Which is funny because their single target is like hilariously bad. It's still pretty bad
Yeah, but just weird with a lot of fights this year
I mean looking at ULTEK for example the tail is active for a good portion of phase one
You're cleaning the heart a bunch base three years eggs to cleave you're doing like
1.5 times amount of damage to everybody else unless like it's that cleave with a warrior cleave so on and so forth right so
Very unique damage profile this year
If I'm sub roads or I guess Rogan general
that's back in Bunker. I think that
Even though they're so good single target, I don't know if you'll see gills bring more than one because
because they don't really have like such an insanely unique and useful niche that would warrant to bring multiple when there are so many other causes that are applicable.
The warrior, the rock.
It's so good at just burst damage, right?
20 second burst is really good for it, so it could be good on the heart even though they like don't be in the most from 2 target cleave.
Yeah, I mean I think you're like almost guaranteed to see one for sure.
I think that for that one specific part of the fight, they're really good, but there's so many other elements on Blue Attack that you could probably see multiple range DPS, there's a lot of spread damage, not even just warlocks, you might see like Moonkin for example, you could see, I mean for sure you'll see mages, mage seems to have, they're still got that massive arcane mage burst.
Two hunters for hunters, mark likely on both.
Yeah, exactly.
I think like whenever a fight has you split sides it's like an easy way to like prevent you a team from like classic or
Yeah, well, they're just joining us here. We are getting back into mythic or heroic splits here
Not my thinking yet. You're assuming this boss might be split at some point. I'm gonna think I
Have a feeling that might not happen this boss. They're just that way called. It's very hard on mythic
However, it's still worth on heroic decent good trinkets in this fight are solid some
And off tier pieces can fill some holes, do you ever take?
Yeah, I mean, I think as far as mythic splits,
I feel like it's not fair to make an appraisal of that
until we see if it works as intended, you know?
Because a lot of guilds just pull it a couple of times.
I think you were looking at it last night, right?
Where like a lot of guilds pulled it a couple of times
and then just left because every pull was like,
you'd cool down through the first AOE,
then you have nothing to live the second when you just get one shot.
Yeah.
And if that hasn't changed, then, you know, well, there's no point in even going in there.
It's quite odd, because it feels like almost even like a full main raid stack, which
struggle a lot at that point in the fight, too.
And it's literally Friday evening.
Yeah.
It's like it's Wednesday afternoon, it's Friday evening.
And I do sort of wonder if it's more of a, yeah, no one's like, oh, I'm here,
so Blizzard's not going to touch it until Monday, or post-ituning coming in May, like
this evening, to Embrisa.
But yeah, it's hard to say with the demos bag nerf coming in a couple of days for the patch went live
The C stone trinket from the Marissa sort of like an equilibrium. I think bags a bit better still, but there are yeah
It's not I could say
Chimera shrink it right? Yeah, everybody wanted but it's castors are in a weird spot where trinkets is here sort of awkward
Yeah, they're really not that great. I don't think it's just castors
I think across the board most trinkets feel like they're really yeah pretty bad like either giving the same or even in some situations less
Secondary stat that on these trinkets gave last especially key key trinkets as I have one
You know plug my guy through the drop demizer, and it's like yeah, you should still keep the voracious heart on from
Gracious, I'm like, okay
I mean even the crucible from the world the world quest like the renown vendor. Yeah was good
It was beating up most my trinkets like last year. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's our found the buff at the 295 right?
That's it's gonna help a lot. Yeah, it took a nerve though
But I mean like it's not beating up mythic trinkets, but it's nice like bridge stopgap, I guess to get other effects
But yeah, a bit of an odd tier. Yeah
Trinkets are no odd situation. I think if you're a strength adge guy, you're probably pretty happy because the trinkets at the end of the raid the
guillotine and the voracious heart a
Second veracious heart trinket is weird after we got one last year that we love voracious hearts, I guess
But those shukits are pretty solid, you know?
Uh, and I think that they're in a good spot and everyone else is kind of like, eh...
That's fair.
I-I-I-I-
When you mentioned, like, everyone's like, eh, it triggered in my head
the conversation I was having with someone last night about bonus roll coins.
It's coming week, a great vault, and what I'm gonna do.
And I've reached a point where I'm just pretty much like...
I don't really care.
I-I'm gonna coin, like, one of three bosses.
We're livin' on vibes and what happens in the vault on Tuesday,
and whatever I coin, I'm gonna just build the rest of my curing around that.
Like if I coin ULTEC on heros, for example, and pull like the main hand,
You're getting the drink dude.
Oh yeah, exact. I know I'm going to believe me.
But if I do pull the main hand, at some point, I'm just crafting an offhand.
Otherwise, I'm probably just crafting a staff.
But if my vault's got a one hand, they're gonna be there for killing heros.
ULTEC is weekend, or Monday, maybe you take the weapon.
Mmm.
And you can make an offhand, and you're down 90 crests.
It's still like this insane what-do-you-do kind of thing.
And I'm at a point where I'm just like I don't like here anymore. There's so many numbers
I've looked at I'm just ready to coin something and be over with it
Yeah, I mean
it's too much math and calculus and probability and
all those things to
Keep in mind, you know, sometimes you just got to go with what your heart tells you to do which is to
Go after the first shiny thing that you see the big snake them. Yeah important the snake
Yeah. Speaking of that, we did see Hero of Uletek fall off the team liquid earlier this morning slash afternoon.
I was talking to Hula a little bit on break. Did you guys hear the high level they killed it at?
Yeah, it was like 298.
Okay, a 290? I think it was 296.8 or something. That is diabolically low.
I imagine they used quite a few Vantices on characters, you know?
So that probably helps.
Instant weapons on character, but that would contribute to that level as well.
Yeah, that's actually good news for other guilds that the boss is within reach
even though obviously the quality of player on liquid is going to be higher than most guilds
if you've been farming mythic plus all week it's really easy to be in the mid 300s maybe even up
to 310 if you get a little bit of heroic loot too right now which means illitech should be
within reach for a lot of guilds by the end of the week. I still think that the HP is a
a little high for a heroic boss but I mean I think a lot of the changes to the
tethers and the accommodating for the raid size did a lot for it. I mentioned
this in earlier today is like I wonder what doing a 10-man little tech feels
like. Yeah that would be. I know like they recently made the circles kind of
scale with raid size so like if you're in a bigger raid the circles in
p3 is smaller and then if you're in a smaller raid they're much bigger
But like usually, you know damage also scales because you have less healers and you're ready to deal with it, you know
so I
Wonder what that's like because my experience last season near the end of the season when I was on my mystery
We're trying to get the lifeline Vanguard trinket. I mean I wasn't doing a mythic raiden on that character
So I couldn't do it on mythic
But I would join heroic pugs and these pugs basically were like just doing the boss because you could skip to it, right?
They were doing the boss just to bonus roll and so some of these raids would have invite just like 10 people and just go
You know they don't care about there
They don't care about the number of items dropping because they're just there to roll it and it was really easy
I don't know and I hadn't done like a pure 10 man raid in retail. Wow for a long time
So I was kind of surprised so now I think about that especially since we're doing the bonus roll system again
Right from the get-go what some of these bosses on 10 man would feel like
Yeah, just splitting oolotek 5 and 5 for the intermission seems really odd.
Like I'm sure they've reduced the amount of tether, is it going to be a heroic wait?
It seems like it'd be, I think it's still 6, but it's still 6, so that's like, but then
I think you're right.
That's a lot.
Yeah, but I think the damage would, it's relative I guess, less.
It would have to scale down.
Yeah.
I mean you have a perfect split, 1, 1, 3 both sets.
Yeah.
That's chill.
Yeah, I guess so much.
Yeah.
Yeah, I guess so.
Yeah, math a little hard for me.
I'm not going to do it too much.
I haven't noticed that.
Divide by two would be five work like that. I think honestly, I was adding up to one one and three
Okay, it's the US education system for you there for you get three tethers on each side, too
I imagine they would go on DPS, right? Mm-hmm. That's usually how that goes
So I didn't sleep all last night need a little bit of slack the bloods to not flowing fully will your soup score?
You track that
I've been waking up a lot that the hotel decided to be very nice to me and power wash the concrete outside my entire floor this morning about 11 a.m.
Why I have no idea I woke up and I saw water
I heard the sound of water like splashing outside my door. Yeah, is it raining?
No, that's all water coming down from the floor above me, and I'm like
It's it's somebody overflow their room
That's all the lobby about it, and I called them like oh no, yeah, they're just power washing
Yep, that would be me above you by the way. I'm right above you. I got a 79. That's pretty good
Eight and a half hours of sleep. I was in bed for 11 and a half hours though
So I think you only eight and a half hours of sleep on 11 hours being in bed
I got a lot. I was I was I was doing scroll in a bit
Hmm, and then I decided to go sleep around 3 30 ish
Okay, I felt that I was on the edge of a tummy ache last night before like rolling over what sleep I was like
I can't I can't tell what's cooking right now. Am I gonna be in trouble? Am I okay?
You're always on the edge of a tummy. Well, we we ordered the bell last night late after you
Missed glad I left early so I would have been on the edge of a tummy. Yeah, you would eat
Yeah, just say too late the word Taco Bell. No me and Alice had out as soon as the clock strikes midnight. Why?
She's out is and we well, I don't know about Alice always wakes up late, but I wake up early
You gotta be around at like 1 to 2 a.m. for the bell I wake up around 8 and then I head out at 9
You know clock right in 9 9 not a 9 to 5. It's like a 9 to midnight, but
Does anyone know what that is because it was happening earlier
I had the fault of Liz UI the dog that is I don't know. It's like big is it does big debuff so
Yeah, it's probably big debuffs. That's amazing
Classic PVP add-on cheese
So you're like more than a person jet like you get up around eight for I'm like an eight
I'm like an anytime person. I I don't have like a I'm not the type of guy. That's like I
Get roused up, and I'm like grumpy or like not not energetic or anything. I can I can handle anything
okay
I hate my eight hours, and I'm very good at like
like immediately writing my sleep schedule.
Like I can, oh, cause like I, you know,
in the wage cage has me having a standard sleep schedule
and then on the weekends I'll stay up late
and then I have no problem.
I have no problem, you know, on Monday getting back up
again.
All right, well, W.
Yeah.
I mean like the, I need,
anywhere between like three and four and a half
to five hours, I'm okay,
but I'll be tired later on in the evening.
If it's like five to seven, I wake up in that time frame,
I'm just in trouble the whole day.
So it's like, anyway, hold on, are you,
you took them on like AM?
No, like raw hours of slow raw, yeah.
Basically like a long nap,
or like I need like eight to half, nine plus hours.
I can't do like six or seven hours.
I wasn't trying to joke actually,
I was being serious,
like I'm actually serious right now.
You have like a band in between where like,
Yeah.
Yeah, okay, I see.
It's weird, that's saying the same thing.
It's like a sleep cycle thing.
It must be.
Like, do you take magnesium before you go to bed?
I do, yeah.
Yeah, you know.
Do you get crazy dreams?
I take melatonin and I do that sometimes.
Oh, I get like crazy dreams on magnesium.
Not crazy, but just like,
I'll actually remember my dreams.
Hmm.
Or for a little bit and then I'll forget them.
Usually I don't remember them at all.
It's always weird that you can recall
vividly what was happening when you wake up.
Like, later it's all gone.
Yeah.
Like randomly I'll be chatting in Twitch and someone will be like yeah, I was thinking of this it triggers my dream like we go
Yeah, it's still there didn't go anywhere. It's like that. It's just not readily available. Yeah. Yeah, exactly
So looking at the mythic bosses are dead right now we've got four on the board
So I'm gonna tell me that a fifth guilty song killed a boss
Yeah, what's the early ship doing well, okay
So they said I heard that real shift has two different teams in the guild
Oh, they got a relationship to win and to take out team one apparently and wiped it point seven percent
So I think ships one is up pretty soon again, too. Okay, but yeah, so four or five guilt's taking down nexali
My question though is who's gonna be first take down turtles being the the lost explorers consequences ready
I think pretty soon again here actually I believe is that the boss they went to turtles
So they went to Intune Sentinels, they saw the first Blood Soak, and they saw the Dot, just hit everybody for half their health, twice and kill everyone, and then they went to Steternal Foss.
Steternals was like 30% though, with four pulls, so I think it's probably doable.
Yeah, probably does pretty quick.
It is a little concerning for what Sentinels may be.
I mean, getting a Devil's Bag Week 1, and getting that nearly, the table is massive as well.
Like it's in a kind of just like a mid trinket now after they nerfed it
I mean like there are some decent equip base trinkets out there at sim high if you have the myth version of them
Like if you're comparing myth m plus items and myth read items
I think the void orb marina seems pretty high
But like getting a myth requires you to coin it or get at your vault. You're not coin dungeons, right?
Not for a long time. Yeah, the devils are still pretty high up there for casters at least
I mean all of the trinkets seem pretty terrible. So even like a mid-level trinket for casters is
is acceptable and you know it's one that's early in the raid so i think it's something you
want to get made dude i hate to say it but like as the heroic splits get further and further into
the week i feel like the reality of them maybe just doing like first four mythic splits in the
past couple of days here gets higher and higher that's actually a really good point
uh honestly have like such little time left of the week yeah
hmm that's a really good point actually i didn't really think about that much
I mean the question is how would you do that right like would you send there would you send like a
How do you even know what's splitable? What's not unless you wait for more guilds to kill bosses?
Yeah, that's the that's the part that's tough. Can you really do first four?
Maybe you could do first two or three, but four seems like it's pretty ambitious, right?
It would be something you would have to
You would probably do what they did in Void Spire where they cleared it in like a theoretical main group first
And then if it was easy enough and the next boss it seemed too difficult
You would just go back and split and probably do the thing that they did in Void Spire as well where they have weak one
man's and weak two man's. Oh man, her heroic achievement
One hit through. We opened Pandora's box last season. Yes
Yeah, I am a little curious if we're going to see in addition to class tonight if there's some way to it comes in like if they're going to hit will take it all if they're going to hit called alter at all, which I don't it needs to be hit, but it like we killed alter last night in like 15 inch poles.
Like, we killed Alter last night in like 15-ish poles, it feels more difficult than what it really meant for bosses to do, but it was like a fun encounter, right?
Yeah, I think in theory, Ulythite probably should be nerfed for like the wider population, not really for these guys, because obviously they've done it now pretty easily.
But, what I do, I think Blizzard will do it now. I don't think so. I think they probably were waiting to see if a guild could kill it,
And they and a guilt did kill it right before like what even went in there today and so now
You know, they're just gonna let it be
Probably won't see a heroic low-tech nerf until like after the race is over sure but yeah
I you know that boss is you know
You usually go have a little bit of trouble plugging the heroic end boss with this
I don't know how you can plug this
Heroic end boss at all. I just don't even see how it's possible
Yeah, it seems very difficult. The world-first kill was claimed by a Chinese guild. I believe their i-level was 3, like 3-0-4, but declare, I guess they mentioned, they, the guild that killed Ulytac the world-first was not a CE guild last year either.
Yeah, they were around 3-0-3, and 3-0-8 was, I think, the i-level of the world-third guild.
Yeah, maybe that's why the boss won't get nerfed really at all, because it seems like it's very influenced by gear.
year right which makes me wonder how mythic is going to go I feel like that
fights looking at how it is structurally I don't know it's hard to
convey what I'm thinking here but I feel like looking at how the fight just
structured like compared to Spice and Shrek and Shrek or Demancy is even like
Lura I feel like there's just not as much room for innovation on that fight
compared to those that makes sense maybe I'm wrong it's basically how the
fight structure, have platforms built. I could be wrong. The fight seems super cool,
but even Max was saying, and I think when we listened in a few days ago during a Black Knight
spotlight that there's not a whole lot more in the journal on Mythic, which is scary because it
typically means it's like Tindall. Things just start flying at you out of every direction
really fast. You don't know how to handle it for a while. Yeah, I do have like this feeling
like this is going to be one of those fights where it's kind of a root force numbers check.
Especially, you know, like you said, if there's not much more in the journal, then what it is is probably frequency and then like quantity of mechanics and, you know, what the boss is going to throw at you.
I mean, who knows? They've found pretty creative ways to, like, make you think a fight's going to go a certain way in mythic and then totally turn it on its head.
So it's going to be a wait-and-see approach.
I think wait-and-see is just the defining phrase of the last few tiers.
It always is like for week one you're almost always in wait-and-see mode
But I've been waiting to see what the loot is here trinkets. You want trinkets?
I see double C stone in my future
This is normal as well right that's 10 champion crasters this
That's normal. Yeah. Oh, well, it doesn't matter. That's fine. That is durable
Where the patch notes blizzard I'm yeah chat we need y'all's help as well to be on
Popfix change tuning notes
Watch if it comes and it's posted spam it in chat. I'm refreshing on my phone as well. We need to know we know ASAP
I need my affliction buffs
Well, they could buff that by like
20% you still wouldn't play it. I think it's more just a we didn't have to I okay I
Don't want to like
We gotta get a 40% buff, man.
I feel like we're at a point where there's just some specs that they probably know the tension,
but there's no time to fix them all on the patch cycles we have right now.
With the cadence being low.
Oh yeah.
I think it's just true.
I could be wrong.
The question is like massively half-baked between all the changes that went in last PTR cycle.
I like the version F we have in a lot of ways.
I think...
Just careturing me.
But there are some things that change towards the later part of beta
that I think were steps back, we had an early alpha.
And unfortunately, it's one of those specs
where the tree is split in AoE or single target,
and those specs are just never what you want
in an M-plus setting or a competitive setting for the most part.
You want to have accessible profiles in rating your M-plus.
The specs that are good can do good AoE,
as well as good single target, right?
There's very, very few times you've seen a spec brought
because it has insane AoE.
And really never for just pure single target, right?
Look at the meta specs.
There was like Dash throw in Shadowlands.
There's other examples.
I'm sure I'm just, you know, spitballing here, but like having that limitation is a problem
both for M+, for rating, basically every after the game.
And it feels like changing between me, but we just haven't gotten the time to do it,
just based on maybe capacitance, I don't know.
I think it's frustrating in general to see people complain about the state of affliction
when like it really hasn't been in a good state for like 10 years now.
Since the end of Legion, it's been bad, like, it's not like...
I agree.
It's not like it's a crazy idea that a Flixion's in a bad slot needs to be fixed because they've
been trying to change it for forever now, we've gone through like four different versions
of a Flixion.
I remember when they first put Darkler in the game as a cooldown, like the Express
playstyle was you put a bunch of unstable Flixions in the target and then you press
Darkler to extend them all.
It just doesn't feel good.
It's a dated cooldown.
Think about like Dimo and Destro, they dump their shards in like two or three globals.
Meanwhile, Aph is like you're just spamming.
You have too many shards and it doesn't feel like you're doing anything when you press them
all.
Exactly.
Yeah, it doesn't feel good.
I thought maybe it would be a cool idea to explore like a channeling option, like
a channel shard dump that like-
We had that for one build of Alpha in Shadowlands.
Oh yeah.
It's Shadowlands.
What was it?
The decimating build build?
It was some ability that wasn't even rapture.
It was literally a three-shard ability
that you would channel and would flare your dots up.
It was around, it was for the first build of Shadowlands,
it was never seen again, it was rapture.
It was something like that, maybe, I don't remember.
I was thinking more like a channel type spell
that just did like one shard every take or whatever.
What if Dark Harvest used shards
instead of generated them?
Yeah, something like that.
There was something in PvP like that,
a few patches, like it was well.
It wasn't death embrace, it was like something death.
But yeah, there's definitely a different average you can spend it.
I don't...
I think Rapture and its last form, during the end of Man of Portrait Omega, even like
under mine, was probably the best version of Rapture after we had.
No, Castle of Naphthaery was the best version of Naphthaery.
Okay, sure.
That was pretty good too.
It was a little over-tuned.
But I mean, I think the problem is that Desert is just too afraid to make Dot Passes
good via their Dots.
It's tough to tune around DotMesh class, too, I feel like.
Like, is it tough or is it just being lazy?
No, I don't think it is, because, like, once DotSnapShotting was removed, I feel like it became super easy.
Yeah, I agree. I think that was like...
But then again, like, uh...
No, I agree, actually, because, like, the last time that Dot damage was, like, really powerful was in Battle of Dazar Lore and BFA.
because then like you have that you had Warlock, Shadow Priest, Moonken, Ellie even
you know with spread flametrocks and Igni's potential Azurai traits all that
was really good but now it's like your dots are not like really what do damage
they support what does damage yeah yeah exactly you're they're like enablers
you put up the dots and then like you press some other spell that then in
some way like transfers the dot the damage on your dotted targets it's
It's really weird.
Yeah.
We'll see.
I have hope.
It might be a 12-2 angle.
I don't want to be, like, glass half full.
I hope that's the case.
But at this point, I mean, I knew about a month
and a half ago, like, we're past the point where
changes are coming to this.
It's just more like, we have to wait for 12-2?
Or whatever.
And hopefully, just something happens at that point.
But yeah, I would like to see UA go back to being
multi-target and not a shard spender.
I'd like to see the duration of the dots go back up
like what they were traditionally with like 24 second agony and like 18 second
corruption I'd like to see a new shard dump that's not like something
spammable and like annoying like it should feel good to dump your resource
it shouldn't be like oh I'm pressing UA and then like I get shard blocks I gotta
keep pressing more and more and more and you're like come on you know I'm gonna
say something alarming hmm I'd rather play soul effigy F than this F oh that
That was low-key a good version, F. I don't care what you say.
Ooh.
People hate it.
I'd rather play Siphon Life, Soul Effigy, F than this half.
Okay, that's a rough one.
Let's get to a side of here, is that right?
Let's get to a side of here.
Okay, I don't want to be glass half full aware.
I think it's important to be realistic, though.
Like whether it's a class you like or a raid-tuning or whatever, I mean, like, yeah.
I think this patch is great.
I think this raid is super cool.
I'm gonna be honest, it's been relatively buggy and sort of laggy, right?
as good bones I want the game to be as good as possible I think there's a point where you can be like
passionately critical of something and otherwise or just be rude and being rude in the kitchen anywhere
right but at a certain point after multiple patches just like I will I'm just along for the ride yeah I
think yeah I think affliction is one of those specs they just don't know what to do with
this have haven't known what to do with for a while but you never know you could always uh
change anything on a dime like what happened with warrior I think warrior
was in a state last patch even though they were really good was extremely
unfund to play and had a lot of problems and just a few small changes just
completely turned around and it's probably the most fun it's been in like
a really long time what are they the training with it they shuffled a lot of
talents around and then they basically the biggest issue was the rage economy
and like how much funneling you needed to do good single they got rid of a lot of the funnel
there's still a little bit of you know benefits funneling forever in battle and uh that one talent
blood surge i think that gives you rage from wren's that those still exist but um
the biggest is you just get so many more sudden death procs which is like free executes
rat on its own like fix the rage economy problem with that spec and yeah so that's gonna
really good spot. Slayer is really good. I think they just need to find a way to make
Colossus fun to play, and then Arms will be perfect.
Okay, that's pretty cool. I feel like it's been a while since we've seen Warrior being
strong in a raid setting.
Yeah, Sylvanas.
It was, wasn't it actually? Yeah, with Dom Charge and stuff, right?
I brought three Arms Wars, even though Sylvanas didn't have an execute. That's how you
know this fuck is really good.
Interesting, yeah. I mean, it's probably like Demon Hunter hasn't been as strong
as... I feel like it's low-key just not been as strong as we anticipated on
beta it was up and down devour was really good during or beta ptr really ptr is
really strong you know they got nerf I think have it was good for a patch they
got nerf I feel like they're just sort of not really like I think devil back
for now I think devil be pretty good it's not gonna be like the most OP but
I think it's in a good spot it's just like a good spot tuning wise let's not
talk about how it plays which is kind of a it's kind of an abomination if
you're gonna ask me but I think the numbers look good I walked by Shaq's desk
saw him running the little drop the miser and the numbers on his guy look
pretty good he's in the almost 180k dps sims yeah it's pretty solid you know I
think I think it might even be a situation where it's like I think it
depends heavily on the type of copy run but like for instance in the split
phase on, on Ulytec, on Mythic, can you really afford to put all your magic guys on one side
with only one demon hunter on the raid? It might be like a two demon hunter raid just
because of that.
That's true. But don't forget also, Vendance is actually really good.
That's true.
Vendance is a really good speck on this raid. Interestingly enough, we're watching
a Vendance DH player right now.
Yeah, true, true.
Making a rare exception from playing as Monk, also on that default UI for the
most part here. He's one of the people that still don't have L's where you
want it solved.
He just rocked the default UI.
Well, it's like him and yips for a long time just rocked with all UI
I think yips is even on it on a list mirror this point. Yeah, I think he is he's on that E
Mm-hmm. That was mirror UI. I mean it is just that good to be fair
so
Have you guys killed heroic royal author in your region?
No, I think I might be able to on Sunday. I haven't read it yet. So we'll see
What do you guys do Saturday Sunday Monday? Is that normal for you guys? It's the first week thing. Oh
Okay, I mean mainly cuz tell is doing all the splits right good, so you can't really write in the other days
That's fair
Yeah, I can't imagine how him and bubba felt this year with like just the amount of
The amount of like uncertainty thrown in the splits here waiting that they're having to wait this long to kill little tech to define mains
But I do wonder how much we actually have left as far as books are concerned or ice chores
I
Think that we will be doing splits until probably after lunch tomorrow
Okay, that's like
splits or chores
splits
Okay, so outside of splits. I mean what do chores entail?
I don't think really anything well they have to get cracked ski so I'm done
Yeah, yeah, they got a good question mark question mark for them for the uncraft crests
Well they can do both of those like anytime really, because it's not like a weekly thing.
There are people who still probably want to farm some Mythic Plus, just maybe that'll
happen.
So probably like a post-dinner.
Okay.
There's that, I mean parking them back to what you said earlier, does that influence maybe
the possibility of Mythic Splits if Sunday rolls around like they're like, okay it's
lunch time.
What do we do?
I'm kind of unsure about the likelihood of them doing keys, simply because, you know, previously you would do keys and do like an 8 box, because you could pull a myth piece of gear out of the vaults, but now you get myth gear out of the raid vaults, and you especially like, you know, could use an item from the last two bosses of the vault.
but then you got the bonus roll tokens right most people are probably just
going to take the bonus roll out of the vault too so like really
the vault might not be so important that you spend the time doing keys maybe not
until uh you know you get to those like mid raid vault walls where like oh we
need to like eke out some more gear so let's go you know into
method dungeons and get whatever last bit of upgrades we have left
That doesn't necessarily have to go this week, in my opinion.
Yeah, it's fair.
Yeah, it's a very weird situation for this tier.
Oh, never mind. I can't imagine like
I could wake up around the race in the morning and oh, Mythic's here, but we're splitting it.
Yeah, I can imagine it.
We were there last.
I mean, I guess I don't know.
I don't think disappointing.
It's just like all right, you know, I mean when do you start seeing actual like heart with the car bosses come up, right?
I I think consequence rate tonight. I assume some of the girls
I think literally tests for me right tonight as well. I'm not sure about daybreaker mid or early shift
I
Vengeor to gas you see a couple more bosses fall before tomorrow evening
But I was he Vashnik, but that's the boss. I'm really interested to see if it's over two or if it's like a wall
Or just sort of free. I was the concessor. I could be the first potentially hard boss in the raid. Yeah, that's what I
It's like damage check or like yeah mechanics as well. I mean if you tested that boss on mythic
You could fill up the room with sludge on the ground like really quickly and give yourself a tough time dealing with the intermission phase
Hmm that was the first boss we tested every single PTR
Mm-hmm a ray test and I was barely wait for it. It's like like barely wake like it's so boring
No, no, no, I was like, I got a bad half an hour.
He was waking up at like 2.30 PM.
It was just so rough for him.
It's really, listen, listen.
I've listened, listened.
I've tried to explain to my father as well.
He's like, he's like, you're going to bed so late.
You're like, listen, man.
I'm like, yeah, but I still go to bed and sleep for eight
hours like you do.
It's like I worked the night shift.
None of this makes any sense.
You just got to see your dad and then do a money
spread in front of him.
And then he'll be like, alright, alright son.
What money?
Alright son.
We don't get paid for this shit.
He spends it all on his car.
No, no, no.
Yes you do.
No, I don't.
No, I don't.
I don't.
I don't get a lot.
Every month without fail, he's like, do you check out this new part I bought for
my car that I bought myself?
I even saw the car one time when I was here, okay?
Alright.
Now one time.
You've been waiting to.
No, no, no.
Check out this thing.
If that was another spoiler I got from my car guys.
No!
It's so cool.
Oh my gosh, okay, you guys are killing me. You guys are literally killing me. I'm pulling my hair out right now actually like
He's killing me
We got to see a guy in Turkey
I have no car. Yes, you do. I have a bicycle you have car
It is a nice car. It's purple. That's actually come to say really? Yeah, mm-hmm
You're only leading to the warlock thing.
I think it's just cool. It's like a midnight like voodoo purple or whatever.
voodoo purple.
Yeah, we got it wrapped like we got it wrapped ago.
Okay.
I can show you a picture of Jet somewhere.
I can find it.
Yeah, it started off as like a...
It's like a...
Yeah, I like to have that car. It's sort of fast. It's nice.
It's cool.
And then it became like, we could do this.
Oh, now we could do this.
We did this and we could do this.
You just keep spiraling.
You know and then now it's like well, they can't leave drive the car. It's watching all the tubes. It's just too much
modification creeped
He's just spiral
His car is the kind of car that like
He starts it up and it's so loud. You're like, all right, man
Did you really need to be that loud I?
It is it is a built M340. Mmm. Wow for a non-car person. That's it's being filled here
Yeah. Anyways, so for those who don't know, we are raising money for UNICEF this time around,
which you guys can also donate to if you'd like at tl.gg slash donate, and we have some pets I need to look at while we're in the middle of day 10 of splits here.
And I just to clarify, the pets are all amazing, we don't give them ratings, we just say how cute they are.
Yeah, of course. They're all 10 out of 10s in our hearts.
Some of them are even 14 out of 10s.
I mean yeah, pretty much. Pretty much.
much but you know I might have some some opinions on certain creatures but each
fan of snakes snakes aren't you know oh I was looking at mong sorry yeah we got a
we got a mong we got okay also animal a demon hunter very likely yeah we're
looking at I think that's part of it's like the Sylvanas said I think that
like you know the oh promo set that you could get how do you get that that's
It's like a hidden, it's like a, I, I, I Heritage Maw, right?
I think it's, no it's not Heritage, I know I have it, so it can't be from the store.
Okay.
Cause I, I, I have that set.
I don't want to trade it close.
I like the little purple, the hints of purple.
My car is purple.
So anything that's like purple shaded, warlock, upstair status, purple, at least
a 7.3.
Okay.
I'm thinking like 7.5
Yeah, I'll give it a 6.5. It's like a pretty decently constructed set
But I'm not you know nothing like screams awesome to me, but it's so get to good set
I kind of like it the shoulders are from Antwerp. Are those the Antwerp's mom shoulders?
I guess I don't know. I'm at 8.2. I what do you think?
Yeah, turn the sucker around
Yeah, yeah, boy don't boy don't even nine. Well, it's pretty high. Okay. Hey boy five
Super good that that's like a B
Plus or be a B average of Florida. That's passing. It's good
Yeah, nine more flies a B. No, eight point five. She said to change eight point five. Okay
All right. Yeah, there we go. Very nice
Whoa, okay. Gosh, this looks great, dude. This is like the that's the backpack from
Shatterlands you either get it like off of a rare. There's like one other way to get it
I think I think so yeah under and the fish start from where those from fists are from
Cargath play fists and what the wad rate the first high mall from high that is very quiet
So I believe this is from moose the trans one with vile fumigators mask grievous gladiators plate great
Oh, dude. I didn't realize she'd cheat over is grave and tragic pauldrons
He's oozing or ooze frame to the mad alchemist. Yeah, I can champions chest guard antiseptic soap dressing
Which is actually not seen here, but it's like it's like sure right okay and forsaken champions tabard
I think the antiseptic soap dressing is from like the DK starting quest a million years ago
I think it's hard to get very cool. Okay. I'm Mr. Moose. Yeah, this is like a nine nine out of ten for me
I like a very good. Yeah. Yeah, this is all like I think my point was I'm gonna say
It's really good plus. Is he a dead? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's sick. You never see undead out there anymore
It's very cool 9.1 that that's a high school. What's the difference between a 9 and 9.1?
Now it's like you're you're sort of unsure if it's like an 8 9 or 9 1
Like crossing the 9 barrier is like, okay, this is like some serious stuff
Yeah, 8 8 9 and below they were pretty good, but like something's a little bit off
I think for me the soak dressing is a push above 9
There's a bit of thematics in there. You can't even see it, right? You can't see it, but it's just part of the set, right?
Okay, and that means you are a passionate mauger. It's also really kind of just feels-based, you know. Yeah, yeah
I think it's a little better than a knife, so you got to give them an extra couple. Yeah, maybe I feel something. Also, Montt's time out, Juno, for one second. Oh, thank you.
But thank you, Moose. We appreciate that. That's very nice. Once again, teal.gg.search donate if you'd like to see your
or a pet picture which we can admire, $30 or more, be sure to attach a link in there
somewhere along those lines so if you see it, here's committing pet pics, your C drive link
will not work.
But this one here looks frost magic ED.
That looks insane.
I should put a lot of work on this.
This is a...
Frost magic?
Yeah, this is looking good.
This is a...
I'm not much of a house expert, but you know, I live here, I'd be posted up top.
Oh, sure.
You know, this is very cool. I mean this is so sick because you can now share housing patterns
I believe in game and copy of his houses and the house that I would copy 100% this thing is sick
Yeah, it's a pretty nice house. It's like very silver moon-esque
but like
Has a bit of mystery as well because it's in the middle like a warped island the housing area for
it almost reminds me of like
little mermaid like the structure of the housing but it's not underwater walk
through of the house as well but I'm not sure oh play that yeah for us magic
maybe figure out what play it we can do that we also have just mango bubble
$50 that's nice yeah thank you Mr. Bang we appreciate that yeah so yeah very
love of the game very very cool idea I think so what I know we have about
$2500 left being matched I believe yeah and then once we hit that I believe
Warcraft Logs well I'm matching there I think yeah the first 15,000 those donated
to the street is being matched which is which is incredible yeah so basically if
you guys are donating like X amount you basically donating twice it's being
matched by our partners which is phenomenal so if you guys are feel
little generous offered great cause being set no hot dogs hot yeah it is hot
wow get them dogs a water bowl very nice
in the soundboard really yeah it's not a bear the Sun it's like actual dollars
and actual yeah yes we have about I can barely read that $2300 left remaining
it would match my rate box which is very very kind indeed did you could do
the quick mass if we roll that on the on the wheel what yeah wait what are rolling
the wheel for well every $500 we roll the wheel oh I didn't even know that
actually oh yeah so how much we need we need like what oh like 22 I'm on put the
total what's half of that though because I'm on double it'd be like 11
Close these eyes
I don't know if they remember what it was. You're really close.
You can see his chest.
Just try to like, just try to like, test people.
Just try to like, move up and see the move up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, just $1,500 will get matched.
Just work as a quarter of the check.
You can go to this here.
Yeah, I'm gonna do it.
If Juniper was $500, we'll match it.
Do you know?
We'll match it?
No.
Will.
It's not one big family here.
Oh, okay.
So it's not one big family.
Yeah, okay.
I don't know.
Oh, wow.
That little RPG face looking cat.
hat
what do you call these few lines
uh... like the short hair furry kind of
the pattern like... oh tortoise right?
i don't like the tortoise... yeah that sounds right... oh very... that's so nice
very very unique look
i like the eyes like greenish like blue
i've had a cat before but i like a cat like that
my very first cat was like this black and orange
What was his name?
Pluto.
Wow.
That's very nice.
What are your current cat's names?
Saturn and Eo.
Hmm.
Oh, so we've got the celestial body's theme going on.
Hey, what is Eo?
It's a moon.
Oh, okay.
Very cool.
Oh, Sandy's so nice.
I love all kinds of animals, including you, Jed.
All kinds of animals.
I appreciate it, Ed.
My favorite.
I should feel like I should have done that picture of one of my animals.
Yeah?
He used to have a dog named Forrest. He was very unique. He was my best friend for a long time.
He perished.
He lived on my heart.
It's okay. He had soft, fluffy, curly hair. Sort of like cams, but you know.
Yeah. If there's one thing I think of when I think of cams as fluffy, curly hair.
Well, I mean he had long hair in older races, remember?
Yeah, that's true. He was sort of curly.
What the hell?
Somebody in the chat, actually it's pronounced Io, no, my cat's name is Io, it's not Io.
Yeah, that's right.
You wouldn't know that, bud.
That's right.
It's a bit of a spin.
What is this?
Oh, what a mod.
We got, I know the helmet is part of the, it's a shop set, it's like one of those
like Nubis looking sets, I forget what it's called.
from a Legion remix it's like one of the
Sargeras sets the red okay yeah the
back looks like is that from Shadowlands
no no it's not I don't know what that's
from actually it could be a shop thing
maybe I'm not sure I don't want to say
that and then and then you just I was
like a blank tabard you got going there
looks like a blank it sort of holds
it's set together though honestly no it
doesn't you don't think I'm gonna say
It looks really bad
Okay, I mean to be fair if you submit your trans walk jet will give you a real answer as to how he feels
He's not gonna hold back. Yeah, so what do you I think if you got it?
I think you fix up the tabber this could be like a six and a half to seven
But you know the because of the tabber
This is from Denver scuba. They're like one of the biggest donators from the past four years. Oh
Yeah, wow, you're such a bee driver. I think it holds together well like I said
You're such a beast oh, but you didn't submit a beastly mug
Okay, well, so this is like a five for me
Okay, the back was from a beard or so by the way. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that makes sense
Yeah, he doesn't know where it's from. We can't give it over. Yeah, I had to do you know
Yeah, of course I did I just want to say it was you're so the gear turning okay. I think this is like a solid
73
73
The green eyes don't totally match like any else for me as I missed it that throws me off a little bit the Tabard
If you made it a darker shade of gray to match the shoulders like the loincloth thing that you're wearing maybe it'll work
The Tabard's not supposed to be there they're saying. Oh, it's not supposed to be there. It's it's it's all right
Well that then you were it's supposed to be a blockchain vest is supposed to be oh
You okay that little what I'll give you like a six and a half for the intention behind it
Okay, okay. All right. Yeah, you got you got little you got thrown under the bus now. I'm sorry
So what's your final rating? It's point five not six
Said six point five six seven dude
You said seven point three. Do you know the relevance of the number 73?
No, are you in tune with with twitch culture? It's like a ten-year-old reference at this point
I mean I was watching twitching just in TV. I don't know it. No
Why does it only the real RuneScape players would know?
I don't play child's games.
I don't play child's games.
I play World of Warcraft.
I'll give you a solid 8.
I think it was a good effort.
Alright, cool.
But also because you're in Ellie's Shaman and I know you're in pain with how that
spec plays right now, you need to pick me up for sure.
You don't like how it plays now?
No, God no.
With no DRE it feels empty to play.
Oh my gosh, baby.
Look at his face.
Wow.
Hito cap but not so many of the body that's actually really unique wow they
built different I like this creature a lot he's got a mask oh yeah that man
actually yeah very nice very cute we don't rate in the animal so they're all
ten tens in our hearts but this feline here is giving but I resonate with this
The loaf is a little off though. It's a little off kilter.
You can take both paws.
So the loaf rating is a little low, but still I love Vinny.
We can rate loafs if you want to, sure. I'd be fine.
Whoopspsps, Vinny.
That's fine. Sure.
There we go. If you guys want your pet or trans, or even like your house feature once again,
to.gg slash donate is one of your units.
If you're matching up the first $15,000,
honestly, if you donate, I got live updates on right now.
I can see it, and or read the comment you leave, or get your pet up there.
If you put a picture of Teddles up, we'll also, we'll read that shirt.
We'll read Teddles.
Basically a pet, it's fine.
Make it work.
Okay.
It's okay.
Yeah.
So I'm going to be honest, I don't know where our class tuning is at.
I'm wondering, it's an hour late.
I literally is.
Like the latest I've seen a post from Blizz is like 9 30 Eastern,
which was like right about now 30 minutes from now.
And that's sort of late.
That's pretty late in general.
So it's been, ooh, okay.
Oh, so we got the wings from the Del Voss from this season?
I think that, yeah, it's from the question mark,
not even the question mark question mark.
I think it's just from the first question mark.
So it's very accessible.
The two-handed weapon,
one of my personal favorites back in Chattelands,
Japis from Mythic Health is Us.
Yeah, and then we got,
we even got a couple of pieces from Sanctum.
We got the shoulders and the chest,
I believe it's like almost an entirely the sanctum plate set except except the boots the boots and
Think the gloves. Yeah, the gloves definitely are not for sanctum
I don't know where their friends and arms warrior named floor magic. So this is frost magic the same person who done it
Oh, yeah, okay. No, and then and then you got like the the goth blood off
Skin, baby, you know the red eyes and the I wish you know, I wish I could get the red eyes by themselves on blood
Yeah, that'd be cool.
Well, so why are most like the highly rated mobs we have, Blood Elf or White Elf?
Uh, okay, my opinion, okay, no, look, legitimately my opinion is because those characters have
like really good proportions for like how the armor is sized, so they always like look
the best in that armor because they're a lot of, you know, like Torren, Orc male characters
specifically.
That is true.
They look ridiculous.
The armor pieces are ridiculously sized.
Sometimes human mail is on there too, but a lot of times human mail can make it look good.
I'm impressed with this.
It's good.
Yeah, it's good.
I like this a lot.
8.5 out of 10.
I think 8.7.
8.7.
I think I don't like boots that don't have that many 3D elements on them, and gloves
too.
That's why I can't give this a 9 or above, but 8.5 I think.
I like it a lot.
It's good to be clear like Jen. I think your scaling system is more kind of like the one by pizza reviews
We're like anything over and eight is really really good for you. Yeah, that's what I thought
Yeah, I mean if I give a 10 it is the best water scene of my life. I don't think any of the world will beat it
Yeah, I never even 10 of my life the coloring is all good. This color scheme is good for this set. It's very solid
I like it. It's also plated with solid
Yeah, it holds yeah
Like the joe is hungry rating system. Yeah, exactly. Wait, do you watch those too? I've seen them. Oh my god
They're so good.
You spin my food for no reason.
I love the spinning of the food.
I think that's going to be me when I get older.
Like, just going to like,
fast food restaurants.
How far you'll have fallen by then?
I've been falling from both, brother.
You'll go from
casting and streaming and
YouTubing to
being in your car, your purple car
reviewing food.
It's a ramp.
there's not really purple
uh... suddenly red next to nothing
uh... okay
like a matte red
yeah yeah
that sounds nice
what is that picture in chat?
what are you pulling up?
gosh, that is not me
that is you
that is sinister
but that is...
I'm glad it's the emoticwitch
why are you surprised when people use it?
I don't know
I don't know
yeah, couldn't get someone in fashion
So I don't give it that much.
Yeah, I thoroughly uh, I like cooking.
What's your favorite thing to make?
Oh, that's a terrible question to ask.
I mean, I typically eat rice and meat three times a day at home.
Yeah, I'm not talking about like what you make normally.
I mean like, what did you make that you wanted to make?
I've got a really good sauce that I make.
Okay.
No, no, no, hear me out. You're gonna like this. You're gonna like this.
So, I concocted this recipe probably about a couple weeks ago,
saw it on Instagram about a month ago, changed it a bit.
Hey, you get a whole like, what do you call it,
like a bushel of cilantro into a magic bullet?
Or you put in soap in there.
Why are you putting soap into your mouth?
It's not soap, I don't have the gene.
Cilantro, cilantro, two jalapenos, a lime,
and four cloves of garlic with fat for Greek yogurt,
and um what's the other one uh it's your recipe it's sour cream low fat sour cream
oh these are the best cilantro garlic lime jalapenos also you've ever had in your life
that sounds pretty good okay what do you do with this uh chicken potatoes anything almost basically
okay yeah a little bit of like chicken broth and thin it out it's so good it's so good
yeah the most fun i had making a dish was uh actually this is back in during the castle
and that there is when we were remote.
I made a Libyan dish that was like a pasta
with like a braised beef.
Libyan dishes is like, Libyan dishes are interesting
because they're very influenced by Italian cuisine.
So there's a lot of pasta dishes,
but it's like Middle Eastern flavor.
That sounds good.
It's not really good.
It is really good.
Unfortunately, at one point I ruined it
because I was like, oh, I need to add
a little bit of salt and then the salt cap came off
and it was like, I don't know,
I'll just want to hit the pot.
Yeah, yeah.
You know what's funny, there's actually a hype train running around to the Triton now.
It's not even the top of the hour, but at the top of the hour we will indeed be running
ads.
It's just sort of part of how the stream is and everything, but with the hype train
being in chat, are there any primers in chat or gifters?
Gifters, well dear one subs also help, before she adds our part of the race as well
as every basically to put your name at this point, and if you sub this early to
or give somebody some right it is prime value on your prime sub you get the whole race
splits are over I'd say within a day or so might be lying to you there close though no ads for entire month
any primers any Oilers listen or allowed to make things up as broadcasters right like yesterday I thought I overheard
one of the raiders saying they were done with normal splits so I just presented it as fact to the
to the broadcast. Turns out I was completely wrong.
It's good to make stuff up.
Yeah, it's good.
Yeah, like I heard Echo is doing 20 splits.
Yeah, I believe it. They probably do 24 actually.
Yeah.
I also heard if you sub to Team Liquid, it'll proc class-tuning faster.
True.
Which we really need to see here. Really, really need.
And Xyro, we'll get them off if you sub.
And anytime you gift a sub, the mods will time out Juno under score a shot for one second.
Oh gosh.
Is it purgated sub or like purgated sub?
Purgated sub.
Oh, okay.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
That's a good one.
That, yep.
There we go.
Okay.
A lot of some beer.
Thanks for the crime canonize.
Thanks for gifting the sub to me.
Wow, look at that.
Oh.
Anonymous gift.
Four warlock and sub.
Thank you.
Four warlock.
Thanks, sir.
A type train level two.
Wow.
Bang.
We got a pretty big record of high trains here.
Where's this train going?
It's going right to...
Taco Bell.
We're leaving Moth tonight.
Yeah, you got, LivMoss has to be on cooldown, right?
Well, it's a daily cooldown.
If we hit livify high-tree, we will livoss again,
and I'll post pics on Twitter of us living moss.
How about that?
That is absurd.
Lvify train isn't even that high.
That's like, you know, solid 20 bomb?
That's it.
Kalamazzy and I are in a discord with a bunch of chatters
who watch all of the Wild Twitch streams.
And one of them was like,
oh, you should try this taco shop in the area.
It's really good.
And I responded, that's crazy.
Anyway, Kalamazzy, Taco Bell tonight?
Yeah, I think we got talking about that night
Like it looks great, it's a it's a food truck I think but
We can go talk about the food here in 10 minutes crazy like what I'm hearing is insane
Yet you need to say late live moss bro. No monkey DWSR. Thanks for the gifted tier one sub to echo e-sports. Wow
Let's go follow you on Twitter by the way. Oh, I haven't checked. I thought they'd follow me
It's okay. It's alright.
Well, you went to a little...
A little left out. I left them. I'm sorry.
I live here. Without Echo, I mean the race is nowhere here.
For seconds it is.
Yeah.
You know, let's be honest here.
Alright.
Paul, look at that. Prezipover.
Thank you, Mr. Audi. I appreciate that.
Wow.
I feel like you might see two of them.
They do a lot of damage.
That's like another thing people don't realize.
Which class?
Prezipover.
Oh.
They do a ton of damage as a healer.
Yeah.
Yeah, I feel like the only guaranteed slots right now on the healer front are like definitely one pres definitely one holy paladin, right?
One disc also.
You think disc is broken enough to be like the slot?
Yeah.
Okay, so then that fourth healer slot is like, I mean,
The fourth healer can either be a double of priest or pres, I think both of those are equally likely.
Or to be a rest or shaman if we don't run Ellie in this boss, which is also possible, I think.
Because I think Ellie's pretty well on this one.
Yeah.
I mean, I think basically the fourth healer spot if it's not a double could be whatever buff is missing
That's I think the rest of your it's a little bit better than I thought it was gonna be I thought it was gonna be the worst healer
sadly, I think
Our fellow miss weavers are you getting the short end of the sick this year getting some gifted subs in the chat more
Got a little train Juneau. Yeah, look at that another gift. It's up to go method five more gifted subs from Dashel
Thank you for a little more train my zeal gifted a sub to method sonic the edge
We're like
Lipmoss chat, can we get some lipmoss and chat lipmoss long channel lipmoss to sonic the edge
Strong in the moment. Thanks for the prime. Thank you. Look at that in the moment getting that max crime
I the whole month with no ads lost calling me for the
Uh, it's not the Torchy.
Well, I don't know who it is, but Grats call me.
That's a known entity.
Okay, perfect.
Thank you, Colin. It's a little bit of a hydrate.
LivMoss, LivMoss, LivMoss, LivMoss.
All right, what do you got?
Tell you, it gives it a sub to LivMoss.
Yeah, I'm just getting sensory overload from all the LivMoss.
Not reading that gift.
That one's not getting read out loud.
Talking about sponsor yet?
I wish it sponsored me.
I'd dump about a grand if you're racing to home.
they need to respond to me at this point you know what you really need yet is to
stay until actually hold on pause hold that thought yeah that loot yeah that's
pretty good right that's two cantripelms yeah plus the rare weapon is that rare
weapon or is that something else that two of them uh no that's not the rare
weapon isn't the the oh like a bright green yeah the rare ones from yeah
That's not the one they want.
And then the top is the trinket.
The strength adju trinket.
Okay.
Well, Kalamazoo, your 24-7 channel has a sub now too.
Oh, wow!
Thank you, Kalamazoo, for the fucking appreciate what I get.
Do you still have that running button over there?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I can remote into it right now if I want to.
It's great, yeah.
Mm-hmm.
You know, something's gotta pay for the lift, Moss.
Yeah, like I was saying, you know, the later the race goes, we tire a Taco Bell,
and we shift like pizzas and sandwiches.
That's the night you really want to be here.
That's where it gets real.
The problem is it seems like you guys do this really late.
Yeah, just shift your schedule back a little bit for the race.
It's going to live a little bit, Jed.
Well, when you think about it, shifting your schedule back
a couple hours is kind of just the same as living on the East Coast.
So you're not really doing anything differently.
That's true.
Yeah, I could adapt to it.
I'm not sure if it's worth adapting for the sake of an extra meal.
Well, you just cut out the brakes.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I realized that I never know what my last meal's going to be, so I think I'm an offer
to miss a eater.
Yeah, first food, I mean, I don't care if I have to eat, I mean, I guess I guess I
never know what your last meal's going to be.
Exactly.
The world could just end, but if I got a full stomach, I'm already taken on.
I'm hungry, I'm in trouble.
It's not good.
So just keep that in mind.
Food's offered, yeah, I could eat.
I could eat, yeah.
I'm going to be hungry, I could eat.
Yeah, killed him in the next one, so.
Got more donuts here as well.
Coupe to force.
At least a pet picture, I believe,
which you haven't gotten to yet,
but hopefully soon we'll get there.
With a $30, think about a $30,
which is being matched, that's $60 in a sense.
Veni, VD, V2, and $30 as well,
also being matched.
Thank you guys for two $30 donuts.
I think Frostmagic was in another $30 as well.
Might have gotten that out.
No, we got that already.
We got that with the black and white one
that we got that was sick.
Just two of them, Frost.
I couldn't be wrong.
The other one was that.
Perfect, there we go.
Thank you guys. Very kind. Very kind indeed.
So where are we getting marked from this raid? Marked for a while.
Either Guardian or Boomkin I think. Oh, you think so? Because we're talking healers.
And I mean... It could be Resto maybe, but I think that's the least likely option.
I mean, most likely option is Guardian. And then, you know, Middle is Moonkin.
Okay. Because Moonkin would be good on these last two fights.
Don't know about the rest of it really it I mean I guess it's looking good on coil altar
I should be fine. It wasn't bad. It was to target is decent. So it should be fine. Yeah, it should be okay. Okay
But this last boss, I think it would be where it would shine
Yeah, it's interesting. You're gonna want two hunters for the last boss we assume for like heart
Go to cleave you want your slew of rate buffs, you know, missing touch chaos brand all that stuff to you, right? Obviously I
I mean
How does mark is still like only one target at a time right?
Like the rocker or I've trained might be running out here. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Nobody else sub for the next minute
Please let it run out. Let it run out. Zyrus. I'd let it run out. Don't do not sub. We'll read. I
Hope the one else I'm saying you're just scuffed. I
Don't want them to that's true. That's true. Yeah. No
Oh
What are you doing all sub for Juno band that's go for it. It'll happen trust me
Oh, by the way, there was another there was a trade offer put in by a gamer chop in the chat
Okay, if you gifted you get the time on pedals. Oh
That's a good one. That's a really great property bomb. Yeah
That was active in the chat. I feel like off out of the casters like you're the most active and then like I
I don't know who else really Aya
I'm here sometimes
It's like you and Aya and then I don't know who else
That all types a bit
But not much
He's a free spirit
He just like floats around randomly
Yeah
He also had three monsters last night
And I can see him just physically shaking from the couch
Really?
Yeah, I wonder what that's like man
I'm like immune to caffeine
I mean you've been drinking too much over here
Are you more...
I only drink the teas
The teas don't have that much
that much yeah okay the rehab yeah the rehab zone have as much caffeine okay
about it did the caffeine I can stop whatever I want
can I take a stop I don't want to oh gotcha gotcha gotcha perfect
that makes sense how much caffeine do you think though I think it's like half of
what a normal energy drink is how much do you guess like 80 milligrams 160 oh
that's a twice that okay I just wait in the well well okay so then energy
drink sir how much like let's look at the same sugar I'm not gonna call this by
the street names I'm gonna refer to it as the standard monster that's a
classic yeah where where would I see bottom bottom it's like all the way
It's very bottom here.
160mm. Wait.
It's the same? I thought it was less.
These have the sugar, like two grams.
So this has a lot more sugar though, right?
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know. But I thought it would be half the caffeine.
Someone lied to me.
Just half of it. It's half the caffeine.
No, it's okay. Like I said, the caffeine doesn't affect you.
So I can't tell the difference.
Is that because of pre-workout?
No, I actually don't even take pre-workout anymore.
I just don't you know get yourself psyched up on your own for the workout. No. Yeah, I get psyched up on my own really
You don't extend free to work out or anything. No, no free work out at all. I tried stem-free elastic month or so leave the race
Actually like game changer. It's just so expensive
For like, you know, honestly like
And it's like a placenta effect, you know
You just think yeah doing something to you, but it's not right right yet that that effect got me once too. Yeah
Yeah, yeah, so anyways, uh, yeah
That's actually that that's actually
Yeah, that's that's from the og limit
Is to say that oh
Gosh
True fire. I think that was a true fire there. What I think he was one of the first people to say
I'm the one that said it. I'm the one that always said it.
I would always bait people into correcting them.
Okay.
See, someone had to become pasta-perfect ODL added it.
Placenta effect.
Sorry.
My new one is when I see the color Magenta.
I'm like, Magenta, isn't that the guy from X-Men?
I don't watch those movies.
Oh, yeah, they dropped the helmet on.
Yeah, all right, all right, uh-oh, it's gonna drop the puddle.
That's fine, that's fine, it's okay.
I will say, it's like, in Team Chetnoles, we hadn't really seen it on Mythic outside of
like, Constance pulling it, compiling it to their stream.
I'm surprised the math mechanic in this fight is such a pass-fail.
Like, is that a full fail?
But missing the mechanic, like, not colliding the right orbs?
It's like a very large carry-dial effect for early boss.
that I mean it's just a wife it's not even like an area denial you just wipe
if you don't do it right and I think it's funny that it's like in heroic boss
too yeah yeah yeah it's well I mean you should be punished for not knowing how
to add well by the way this is another thing that tell has been
stressing about is this boss in particular because he's been thinking
about okay do I actually have to give helpers a test to make sure that they
can actually make it into the raid so we actually made an app okay you made
a web app that actually, like, you can click the correct one that you're supposed to go
to based off of your marker. I don't think he's using it, but, like, these are the kind of
things that they stress about when they go into these splits is, like, what are the potential
pitfalls that we're going to go through in these splits with so many helpers in the
group? How can we minimize those risks? And, I mean, this boss has still wiped them
on top.
Yeah, well, I mean, I think the biggest issue is actually all jokes aside, it's
not really the adding part. It's, like, people love to use movement abilities,
they overestimate how much control of their character they have while using set
and movement abilities. Those collisions caused by using them are
really like the primary contributors to all these wipes.
And if I'm not mistaken this is another one of those bosses where if you like
flicked to somebody or shadow stepped through people, you do run into them and
that can cause an explosion as well. I mean if you're like an evoker and you
use hover, you know if you play an evoker you know that using hover
and moving are picking a direction in your directional keys at the same time shoots you
in that direction you don't just hover in place yeah so there's like a lot of lack of control
evokers don't have much control demon hunters tend to not have much control warriors even it's
very instinctive for you to just charge a guy that leaves your melee range and these bosses just
run to the middle like at supersonic speeds you know so you can catch yourself doing something
like that now me I have control over my warrior so I have actually never missed
this mechanic up so I got that going for me but I've seen it done I've seen it
I've seen a couple of charges and errant movement going on so yeah it can happen I
think you know you gotta get you gotta hands up you got to pretend like
you're channeling onto power from internal palace and just sit there and
wait you know observe the situation not everything needs an immediate reaction
you know and then once you do a quick little quick maps you can figure out
the mechanic and then you're good to go
someone just threw something here what is that you I haven't had your TV one I
see one right there wow it's crazy it's almost like I just threw it at you
and then looked away I have had it's blue what do you mean well well well I'm
I'm just testing you, Jet, keeping your toes.
Yeah.
So, we haven't talked about it a whole lot, because of Mythic not being a thing until, you know, next Friday at this point.
So, for these first few bosses, I made some pretty bold predictions.
What's your prediction?
What did you do?
Your prediction?
One, one, and three.
And the one...
Exactly.
One for this boss, and then three for Turtles.
You guys remember what you guys...
I don't remember.
111 for the first third.
Did you?
No.
Have you guys pulled it up yet, like at any of your ships?
I don't think so, no.
OK.
I guess we'll see whenever we actually get in them.
I think it's probably no point in talking about it now.
But I'd love to surprise myself.
I don't know what me of the past put for those pull counts.
I don't remember.
I think Monday night, I just filled it down in about 15
seconds.
Yeah, yeah.
I think I was like at the gym,
and I got the ping that like here, put in your pull
counts, and then I just put them in real quick,
I mean I feel like based on the last few tiers the first three bosses being 1-1-1 is a pretty solid prediction
Yeah, I do feel like they're one shot next to Ali. They have probably one shot for Poland
Yeah, they were big on that one at the start of the week
Yeah, I thought that boss really could be really tough because they changed that fight a bit
Based on the last after last PGR testing for when you break a box. It's not a player debuff
It's a whole raid debuff.
Yeah.
Everybody has a dot on them.
They either break them fast enough to find the fish to basically interrupt the cast of the main boss before it enrages.
If the dot actually hurt a lot, it could be a really tight HPF check, which you often see fights like that just cranked and erased from a first level.
But consequence, it's got to 30% in three bowls.
Yeah.
So I balance the case.
They're also very guilty, if you're wrong.
But I think the human signals might be the harder boss.
Yeah.
So you never think about the fact that the turtle boss is basically just a good glorified snickers commercial
Explain
The way
Boss is like presented right is you open a tomb and a evil
Troll spirit comes out and he basically like possesses the trolls right and when you feed
Or not possess of the turtles when you feed a turtle of fish the turtle becomes friendly for a moment
You're not yourself, you're taking a gig, that's like you're not yourself when you're hungry, here's your fit for your sneakers.
And then they get possessed again so you just gotta keep feeding them, but you know, it goes.
That's how I am too, quite often.
Yeah, I'm possessed, the color of fat.
Gotta stay in that anabolic window every three hours.
No, I don't know about that.
That's it, that's what Rich Piano said, whatever it takes.
Worked it well for us in peace.
I named it before he passed away and now it's like a shrine.
Yeah, you gotta keep that name chippy.
Yeah.
Man, oh man.
So what else are you playing this patch, Jet?
You have your warlock warrior, right?
Which I actually haven't touched my warlock this week because I've been in key jail
in my warrior.
So I need to get back on that thing.
But Warrior Warlock, Blood DK, Rest of Shaman, Hawaii Pallae, and Demon Hunter, there's a
lot of guys.
There's a lot of guys.
I mean, it's not like I'm playing all of these all at once this week, but like those are
the ones, you know, once I get everything going, you know, you have a lot more time
to do that.
Right.
It's a little frustrating though, because one of the allures of playing so many alts,
especially early on in a patch, was like the excitement towards opening your vault
every week.
That's just kind of gone now because the best play is always to take the coin.
Yeah, but like for me realistically like I'm not gonna do
last two hundred every week on all my characters.
Okay, that's true.
So I think what I might do is just you know fight the bullet.
Well, you know I could still take the coin just never use them until like
I have a lot more free time.
I guess I could always do that.
So yeah, you're right. It is kind of lame.
What item do you think would pop in your vault to make you
You pause, uh, hold that thought, wowhead.
Wait, glass tuning is on the way possibly.
Wait, what did that mean?
That doesn't mean anything.
Oh, you just, you just baited us?
They're just saying things.
I know, I've got a picture here of some massive warlock buffs.
I'm not trolling.
Send them to me, in Discord right now.
Just take my phone.
I don't see anything in our news channel.
I don't know.
I see mislead curiosities no longer grand Beliera experience.
Oh, man, I'm so glad I did that last week.
God, that's a lot of big numbers for now.
It actually is, holy moly.
And it might not be enough.
We're back.
Oh.
We're back.
Is this a leak?
Are we leakers?
I don't think it's a leak.
I wouldn't say that.
That are a lot of big numbers.
Even for demo, too, it's usually a min or two
from what I had to update on pixels
when they first get posted.
So they're likely up right now.
Oh, class tuning incoming.
EU forums.
Here it is.
Bring it up on the laptop right now.
We are in.
Yeah, so Xyro pull up and scream for you quickly.
I've got it.
So we're looking for class tuning here,
as well as boss tuning possibly.
But yeah, there is a, until it gets pulled up,
UA 15% increase.
Black and red.
I got a Kalamazd.
Here we go, lock it, lock it.
So, DK.
Only frost getting buffed.
Both frost and unholy were significantly
underperforming, but.
Frost is OK.
6% all ability damage, 15% of BluDroid.
Seems like a pretty reasonable buff.
Seems pretty nice.
OK.
Demon Hunter Havoc buffed, they don't think they were a little behind devour, that's fine.
Probably needs a little bit more than that buff.
Vengeance, which we were already talking about being good at, 24% effective.
This literally does nothing, because Mastery's horrible.
Okay.
Maybe trying to bring that in line a little bit here.
They buffed the Mastery for Vengeance.
Oh!
They breasted it interesting.
A Bresto drew in more buffs.
They got buffed.
Oh!
They doubled the tear cell duration too.
So we were talking about what brings the Mark of the Wild buff.
Right.
Maybe this could bring Rester to a place where it's just like your de facto
marked with a wild buff.
Oh, they're buffing present dungeons, that's impressive.
Prez, you got dungeon buffs, okay.
Interesting.
We have a hunter, slight buffs as well.
Uh, any marks changes?
No marks changes.
I think they're not going to merit the good stuff.
Yeah, I don't expect to see any nerfs.
Right.
Like we were talking about before, we expect to see severe underperformers buffed either
by a significant amount if they were like way near the bottom.
High?
Or slight buffs if they're in the middle.
The thing that I'm surprised to see with a poker, no aug buffs.
I think that one of the worst specs in the game right now.
There is. Yeah, it is.
Yeah, there is one line for warlock at the very bottom that is scary.
Oh, yeah, we'll get there.
We'll get there because we got the warlock desk here.
No spoilers chat.
We're moving slowly here on purpose.
Frostmage buffs.
OK, so frost buffs are interesting.
Does any of this matter for two target
cleave, which is their their main thing that they're good at on frostmage
and why you played over a game, Mitch?
I don't think these are huge.
Mm-hmm. So you'll probably still see them playing our game. Maybe frost will be better on like
Any spread cleave fights. Yeah, so maybe that choice there brew master monk
I don't think this is gonna move the needle comp wise. Yeah, I don't think so as well
But it is nice there. They're basically paper retribution already got a 6% or above last patch as well
No, oh set bonus buffs. What do you think about this? I?
Actually haven't played much much rat this season
You might hop on woody's for a little bit not not really been been healing on that guy
So stuff to say all right. It seems like it's good so event we got a note main event here
Notice that all of these notes are relatively short. Okay, but where you go down. Yeah, it's almost like we've I've said this the past three months
I'm PTR and it's finally here. Let's see how big these warlock buffs are oh
Longer than everything for just let me read this real fast
We're increasing the throughput of Affliction and Demonology by primarily focusing on single target tools with a secondary focus on multi-target kit.
Additionally, we're considerably increasing the damage of Warlock Demons, so that they have a large contribution to overall throughput.
This should also be a bit more of an agro-concerned service for the play.
That's interesting.
That's actually wild.
Notably noteworthy in just the Felt Guard. I don't think Felt Guard was an issue for Demo in all but the baseline pet for Affliction and Bester.
I didn't see that.
Yeah, that's 350% that's a lot. That's a lot. Yeah, that's 3x damage plus some actually 4x damage plus some so
Main pet doing a little more damage. It wasn't a big part of your damage. It was like two or three percent
So this is like eight. Yeah, so it's about a 5% overall buff to your character alone right there
Affliction we were talking about how far behind that wasn't you were joking like a 20% or above wouldn't be enough for it
Right. This is a lot unstable affliction main spender
Unfortunately, it just didn't seem like it was doing much before, so 15% of nothing is still nothing.
I don't think that's a lot. Black and Soul damage being buffed.
Yeah, Helcaller is really far behind in single target for Reflection though.
It's basically unplayable. They need to buff it with a fell line, but it's fine.
This is the new hero talent.
Yeah, it does like 4.5% and I think it's not bad. It's passive damage.
Same thing for Shadow, that's also part of the Apex talent system.
Agony and Corruption being buffed, so they really are focusing on spread cleave here.
They really want to make your sprint clue as better.
And then Hellcaller with their buff, which makes a corruption for that.
So those are pretty significant buffs.
If I had to like ballpark a guess, looking at these numbers, literally making it up.
It's probably like 10 to 15%.
Maybe closer to 20.
If you factor in...
With the pet buff, it might be closer to 20.
With the pet buff, I think it's like...
I don't know if it's 20.
I'm gonna say 15.
I think it's probably like 10.
It's hard to say though.
Either way.
Random guessing.
Totally made up could be completely off, but I'm gonna say it's 10 to 15. It's okay. Okay. We love making stuff up
So affliction
That's that I don't think it's gonna change anything for the race. I think you're still looking at mainly right
Let's look at demonology though because this is still like a pretty solid spec right now good to your bonus pretty solid
Oh, Dextro. Yeah, it's main focus is
Stacked cleave is where demonology is really good right now. I don't want to show that stop. Hey
Yeah, so demonology main fillers are buffed. I think that's good. I mean, they're not a big portion of your damage
even on single target, but this helps a little bit there. Wild imp damage by 20%.
That's like the main source of our damage. It's one of them. Yeah, it's definitely up there a
good bit. I mean, Thuglar by 20, which is interesting. It's not like the 350 buff that other pets got.
Wow, those Demobuffs are pretty nice. Demo might be an S tier dungeon spec now.
The Apex buffs are nice. Well, I'll give it a second. The Apex buffs are nice too,
20%, and Dreadstalkers are pretty low, so it helps a bit there too, and M plus and single target.
But I think the Destra line below it is actually pretty interesting. I think this is one line too, right? Yeah
Yeah, all right. Oh
Oh, baby, oh, baby
So Destra was in this interesting spot where they already have a in like stack cleave like they are
Diabolist even the Hellcaller Destra look pretty strong in mass AWE like on the high end
It's the best back for walking plus. It's one of the higher
heavy AoE output specs in the game before this buff. That's a prorate potential to have to
run a fire. And it's already neck and neck with your other main damage dealer AoE. So...
Now, okay, the important thing is, obviously we're excited about it for Mythic Plus. These
are like both of those demonology and destruction changes are like, okay, wow, this is really
good for AoE. For Demo, it's a lot better for their single target, but they weren't
really that good on single target before anyways. I don't think these changes really
have any significance for the racer world? You were already considering running probably
two Dexter locks for pretty much everything? Yeah. Based off of how good they are on Cleve,
but also it looks like on Militech, you kind of need to consider for the game. You probably
play... Yeah. You probably didn't even know you had a first boss in Vashnik at this point
probably. Probably. But the biggest implication for the racer world first year is the pet
buff, the 350. That does affect Dexter. That's just the buffed average. And it's
probably a 5% buff in single target, roughly. And I mean Dexter all three lockspacks
need help in single target. Destro sims for like 230k and full bis gear right now. 5% buff would be another 10k dps.
Warriors and subrokes are simming for over 260 in max gear. So I mean it moves the needle a little bit.
It helps a lot. Of course it helps you on cleave to single target and gives you a little more cleave.
I actually didn't look at the warrior changes. Okay, okay. So here's the thing. If there is an arms change here, I'm expecting it to be nerf.
But it's only a prod change. Okay, so that changes to arms or fury. Just a prod buff.
Oh, okay. That's nice.
That's a little magic damage.
Okay. Yeah, that's good.
So like you mentioned, I saw a lot more.
Are there any dungeon changes or anything like this?
Let's see.
PvP, who cares about PvP?
Let's score out and ask all that.
Well, that's a lot of PvP nodes.
Okay, that's it. It's just class 2.
No dungeon changes, no rate changes.
Interesting.
All right.
This is reasonable. This is what we were expecting.
Yeah, it's what needed to happen to buff the outliers.
Yeah.
I know Rhett was really looking to bump up the value of their tier.
Their tier was really bad.
So that was a good change for Rhett, too.
I wonder if we'll see lip hammer in the right then or maybe lip DK
I'm excited to see what numbers look like after all of those changes because obviously we don't have like a good reference for a lot of those
Classes like what those changes aren't you just DM me from his desk. Yeah
I mean
Dude affliction with those changes on like stacked to target cleave or on a fight where there's like potential
I'm thinking Twin Fangs. Affliction during testing was really, really good. It could be really good.
Yeah, on that fight in particular. On which fight? Twin Fangs? I mean,
maybe like the thing is that you just spam C to corruption on that fight. Yeah,
but the agony and corruption buffs could make a difference. Yeah, interesting.
That may haven't fixed, makes that fight pretty solid if you ask for two, but it's possible.
Yeah. Interesting. It's really interesting. I think they expect those that many like niche
changes. I didn't think they would buff Demos. I didn't think so really. Yeah. I mean they nerfed
it. I think it's going to be a really good key spec. So they nerfed Demos 80 by 20% about a
month ago on PTR. Diabolos demons. The Diabolos demons. Yeah but like the Apex buff is interesting
because it's not just single target. Your Apex demons. Yeah that's right. They stole
a whole shadow breeze spell.
Good.
It's interesting.
Shadow Nova, right?
But like you mentioned though,
a minster, yeah.
Minster from one of the demons.
Bigger thing here is that there were no nerfs to classes.
Now, that might happen later on.
The race is over, possibly.
Oh, for sure.
But during the race, they typically
air them inside a caution and not nerf classes
that are like pretty strong
or might need some, get some later on.
I mean, road single target is like really absurd.
Arms didn't get nerfed.
I mean, I think it would be,
There would be absolute bedlam in these guilds that have spent all the, not even just world
first guilds, but like many, many guilds that just spent all week gearing up their, you
know, top dogs, only to see them get knocked down a few pegs, right?
So I think that this is typically what happens with the second week tuning.
Yeah.
I mean, I am surprised I'm trying to contain my type in here.
I got a video to record with the shifts over to my next shift, but it's okay.
We'll rip it out.
do you know but yeah I mean we see it happen a good bit I don't think like
we said I don't think it changes much as far as like what you see in the rate a
whole lot but the biggest thing for like Locke is that it's already good it's
already good. The Desherau's Cleave profile and the pet buff will help on certain fights
like if you've seen I don't think it's the Locke session like if you've seen
the fights where you have the Had a Cleave based scenarios like Cleave like
Desherau's really good there. If you go to the Patrick boss it's like there's
tank and there's me so I'm a little surprised they might not they didn't hit
like havoc tuning a bit but havoc like the spec or the spell the spell okay yeah
because I was saying the spec also needs a little bit more than three percent in
my season or above for havoc it was a three percent or above yeah yeah okay did
you get okay I think I know the answer to this question but did any of you
you guys watch any of the MDI last season at all?
Was it like the finals?
Uh, yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
I think it was interesting because the devourer, so last season devourer on Holy Bog was like
just the medic thing that everyone played.
But in the MDI specifically for speedruns, Wallife was playing Havoc in a lot of keys.
Because it was more consistent, like two minute slam burst on every meta you hit.
Yeah, yeah.
It's still really bursty on two minute CDs.
So like it's good in certain situations still
Especially after devourers have taken some nerfs and I guess havoc it's a little bit of a buff
I don't that that could be a situation where like if you do need to run a DPS demon hunter
Maybe meta burst on the heart phase will end up being better on
Possibly whoo pre ramp like devourer versus. Ah, you care on both of them. Yes, okay
But it requires tougher timings. Yeah, I mean
Devourer's burst window is way shorter than Havoc's because of this build that they run with Void's Guard.
But I think Havoc plays Eldracky now in the raid.
So we'll see. I don't know. I'm kind of like a little bit of a doomer with Havoc because you see what goes on with like Moonken and Feral and like Elyon and Hance where like one spec has to be a lot better than the other for you to play, you know.
Sure melee spec and
Now that demon hunter has to contend with the ranged spec as part of its kit
it's like the melee spec has to just be a lot better and
It's not really the case past two seasons
So maybe the 3% I'm wrong and the 3% is enough, but I don't really see a world where
You would play it unless you just I think dungeons
Having the two-minute burst one is a little bit different because you know you can pull around pull downs and
And at a higher kind of key level, you know, the poles are like a minute plus and then again, you have like, you know, you go through the cycle, whereas devour is more of just like a sustained kind of damage or in an overall dungeon damage scenario.
In the raid like this, like it's really like the damage and phases, but you know, how often we really get three damage amps in like a 10 minute flight, right?
right yeah so i think if you're playing devour voids car is gonna be very bursty
it might still lend itself better to be playing that spec over habit
interesting
and i'm pumping mythic man i was pumping now i'm like i'm pumped man i i want to get in there
i want to see this man i think you play a flitching on turtles now too probably yeah i could see
that they're not all stacked the problem though like that's for having to feel like that still
You don't have to play the seed build, you can just play 3 target, start the seed build.
I don't think it's good enough. Maybe?
If the 20% agony buff and a 15% corruption buff?
Yeah, but 20% is 0, still 0.
Aging and corruption do a bit.
With the habic fix that came in, like the ability, mayhem, and improve habic,
with that fix coming in a few weeks ago, I feel like it's just really a patchwork-destro fight
that you can just like cleave passively with.
me out now. You play Affliction, you bug your wither to be 99 stacks on all three targets.
They fixed that sadly. They fixed that in a day and blacklisted all the logs. Don't worry.
You find a way to do it anyways. We keep those in our back pocket until we
freeze, I don't know. We're blitzing on the horizon, we gotta kill a boss and get
out of here, okay? It's nice of them to not fix the wither bug for Destro, though.
I mean, yeah, sure don't bring their attention to that
Wait, I picked you would be insane if your guy blizzard and you didn't know about the havoc thing until you listen to this broadcast
Well listen, fellas wasn't bugged for like 10 years. It definitely didn't disconnect you sometimes when you hit the ground at the wrong
Yeah
Man no issues on our end
Smile
Was that by our fix actually no no no, I literally I'm watching it happen right now
Absolutely not it happens at a valor with theirs, which is essentially just a fellow rush, but it's hard to flourish. Well
You win some you lose some
You some mention. Oh, they didn't feed the fishing time. Look at that
Yeah, that's all interesting
So basically, I mean the mechanic of the fight you should probably just listen to find the fish
I don't think the one on heroic. Yeah, I don't know how hard it hits
They got it didn't they? Okay. Well, how did like three people just well the raid was getting nude for a second
Three people died. I believe you can feel her when he's being defeated afterwards
I think so, but it'll tick for like a rage damage. So you do a pretty yeah
Yeah, I mean there are a lot of liberties in this group. This has to be a rope, right? Yeah, this is a rope
Yeah, so they're often to basically pop the first one of the first mechanics here
Which is like the mushroom over the fire wave effect here as a warlock you can circle it
But you cannot demonic gateway that no to clarify for your own ray group do not try that
Well gateway just counts as you running from one gate to the other really fast
So the time yeah, you go through anything you will hit it all no all of the time
If you go if you go through anything you will hit it
It's like axes weren't hitting on coral altar when you get it through them
I could be wrong though. I could be wrong now
You know you yeah, no, I definitely got hit in testing doing right. Hmm. I tested with you didn't I? Yeah, you there
Yeah, so but there's a don't know this fight
Basically, we're talking about is like empowering the boss like there's these boxes in the ground that spawn in you have to run through them
and find a fish on the floor and
When you find that fish you select one of three bosses which basically
D enrages him and makes them friendly and
And one of the each boss is like ultimate you the one here is like the fire bombs with the mushroom pop over
Other one is like a fire frost pool you just sort of like drop and clear opposing debuff splits the third one is like a I think it's a
Spread the spread split cleave, right? The three like large soaks across the raid. They're like picking shoes. What?
Angle you want to go for this boss, which ones you want to deal with and not
There's gonna be a defined best way to do it
Which is likely we're sitting here the mushroom fire patch first and likely to split soaked second, but the same time
You know heroic typically dies a little faster than mythic, so
Wait, oh, okay, I think for some reason out there to sit heroic dice quiz faster than normal
It's updated on our leaderboard yet, but XT has been pulling the boss and they've gotten some pretty low attempts on the turtles
So we go cool that boss pretty soon here. Okay, wait, I was
Are you on Turtles?
Uh, yeah, XT.
Yeah.
So I don't know if that's...
People are telling me Turtles is very low for XT.
Oh, how do they do that?
They can make it low.
Yeah, apparently a litterboard is just...
Yeah, okay, okay.
That makes sense.
Chat says it and I trust them implicitly.
Point one, two on Turtles.
Yeah.
That's like the big question this week too.
Is what bosses are killable?
Week one by like Hall of Fame guilds?
And like, like what, so looking at Manaforge or Mega, like I doubt many expected this injury to be like a loop pinata, right?
And Guildswalk didn't really just farming like tier and stays and things early on.
And Lumethar ended up being a much harder boss than Soulbinder, which was third in the journal, right?
So the question is like how many bosses can you kill if you're like a, you know, mid to your Hall of Fame guild, right?
If you're able to kill four this week, thank you. Two items in your vault.
Hold on, a second blue post has hit the broadcast.
Oh, hey hot fixes to dungeons and raids here if you want to bring this up on the laptop in a little bit here
Okay, it's a new classes. No, this is not any further class tuning. This is just dungeons and raids. Okay
In general, let's see
big big things
Lulatech adjusted the caustic waves from the gore rattler
So they remain above the floor of the main platform apparently they were going under the platform
Okay, okay the tooltip for volatile purge no longer contains an error, so no no major things for oolotex here
lost explorer bug fix
Final system to inflict less damage than intended. I guess that's the
The enrage cast on that fight
Okay, Vashnik reduced scaling for adaptive infection. Okay, though. This is actually stuff that happened yesterday
Okay, if these are yesterday yeah, I got made in bed chat
oh
Big for Mythic Plus or is this this trinket no longer loses its sacks at the end of it with a plus and gather which one
Huxlords dueling idle. Yeah
That's wait always losing sacks what a boss guy that's okay. I thought it was out of combat. Okay. Oh, they nerfed alterer fangs
Yeah, yeah, you know this dungeon. I really did not think was that bad because a lot of people's
difficulties
Came from like playing with psycho tanks that don't know how to do the pull
Yeah, or the first boss the meat piles with like the oh, yeah, they don't know
Well, they actually I did notice that like one of my most recent altered groups that I did that they did like
I think all these are also already in
Okay, like a lot of spell effects are updated the
Meat piles are more obvious that like you shouldn't be at those I noticed like Zuljan's
Little line that you soak has like a special like green effect alongside the red line
So it's a very obvious like okay. Yeah, interesting. Okay. So this is a pretty nothing burger then. Yeah, all right
Okay, so I mean a bigger thing to note that there was no with that nerfs coming in it was a drug fixes
That's all yeah, I'm no nerfs though. The health saying the same yep
So it's actually interesting seeing bliss day there. I think it's the right call though
Yeah, the important thing as well it just in case you're unaware chat is typically the way this works is these bug fixes
These these changes and bug fixes. These are usually intended for Tuesday. So
So, right.
There's a world where Ulytec is a marathon Tuesday, which I'd be surprised to see.
I would have, I guess to pin, they'll probably wait and see how many kills kill it this week.
They could announce it Monday as well.
They could, yeah, they could also make updates to these changes on Monday.
That was where like the red palette and 6% aura buff came from.
Yeah.
So we could, we could still see more class change changes like last minute buffs to
some classes that are underperforming more than they thought.
I would expect to see all of them get buffed as much as I don't want to, because
I don't expect it's terrible right now.
It's literally no reason to play it over Dev.
We'll see though, but for now, I think in general, I think this is a pretty reasonable set of changes to Class of the Day from the Performing
So a bit of an update as far as the Mythic leaderboards going, it looks like, if you're here consequence, daybreak, mid and literacy tests are all not reading tonight, unless they're adding days, which, hey, passion prox happened
XD is the only golden top of its rating, and yet a 0.1% wipe on Perkolan Explorers with 14 poles.
Average eye level of 305.9.
So, assuming that seems low, that's... I have to admit it a little bit, yeah.
I mean, consequence was 308 when they had their 30% wipe yesterday.
Albeit they sent some crafts, what I heard.
Daybreak 37.45, midden test that I'm not sure and say.
Even early shift. Well, they were pretty low actually, 297.73.
That was, you know, not worth going on there.
So, hmm, yeah, I mean, it could be there's not something to upgrade yet.
I mean, like, it is one of those things where if you can actually kill, like, explorers easily here
and get mythic Gebos back at week one, that's massive for vaults.
That's massive for two bosses being, like, dead in your vault for a guaranteed max myth piece, right?
I mean, you can't superdive to a coin.
But if you roll a max Gebos in your vault, it's probably just what you're looking to coin for a lot of classes anyways, right?
So, maybe.
Hmm.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't even know what, like, I still don't know what I'm doing, man.
Yeah, you know, right next week.
Nobody knows. Nobody knows what they're doing.
Nobody knows anything. Does anyone know anything?
No one knows anything.
I know stuff.
What are we playing this to here?
We don't know. Everything's been thrown into disarray.
That's what I'm buying.
I'm trying so much, man.
He had so many goods.
Crazy post right before the tear about like oh my god, we're screwed. Yeah
What are we playing who's playing what no one knows anyone knows?
I think the ID still doesn't know who's playing what warrior specs
nobody knows
Just don't want to play it or is like a no, they don't know who they're
Just show up and proc passion that works. You know, yeah
I'm down for that. I thought I was only watching my raid this year until like a week ago actually,
now we have two, which is good news for me because BlizzCon is coming up, but I don't
want to raid during BlizzCon if I can avoid that. But it might be one of those nights
where I'm raiding for three hours in the middle of BlizzCon. Have you done that before?
bring you know i mean that's not well we'll see okay loot give us back this is like when you
go on vacation and you bring your work laptop with you you know i mean it's a little different but
like i don't know man like what if like what if we're on a fight we're like a lot double walk is
really good like twin fangs didn't they just won't have a warlock for the members have gifts on
them now that's from under my oh yeah I guess they had some that's funny that's a classic yeah that's
that's the good old the sticks bad turn speeder on the bomb oh man that also reminds me you remember
the the jpc dragon on the tindrel so that was a good lift yeah he even went for the right play
eventually he's like i gotta turn around and go the other way but it was too late yeah yeah well
With that being said, it's dinner time.
Sandwich night, I'm very excited.
Also, because I'm pretty cool for everybody to watch
over our dinner break here.
We hit our $10,000 donation goal for UNICEF.
If you wanna donate again,
tl.gg slash donate.
So we're looking at getting towards.
We hit our 10-day goal.
We have our casters.
I guess it's like our dueling tournament that we had.
It's a little interesting because we all chose...
or it's that's the tin that's not the tin kiggle i think the hopeful fired up cake
cooking video wasn't it oh oh the hopeful video yeah oh it's even bad okay perfect so
this is hopeful and shak fired up hopeful fire and they're making a cake right well they made
They made a ping, so background.
Okay, last race, so sorry for crossing the road,
the raiders were done with everything they did
in week one, because they couldn't go
into March of Keldonass, that we had fired up
and hopeful, live on broadcast,
could the pancake on strike?
I remember that, and it was a fantastic segment.
So our 10K donation goal was to play a video
that they did before the raid,
this time of them doing the same thing over at something.
I think Shag is also on the ball, right?
So were you blindfolded this time?
No.
So hopeful.
You were blindfolded again?
OK.
So far it was blindfolded.
Hopeful's giving instructions.
Hopeful's something is like a baker extraordinaire.
So it's a little bit of like a, he's got some mouth.
Yeah, but I think hopeful can't speak.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So this is going to be perfect.
So we're going to head to that.
Split a video for you guys to watch
while they're having dinner.
We're going to swap caps as well.
Myself, Mr. Jett.
This is Aaronic.
Thank you for hanging out with me.
We're going to have some dinner.
We'll see you guys for the new shift for this.
Cheers!
Whoever feels like it?
Us.
Us.
Not him, he's, he's, let's have him stay quiet.
What's over there?
What?
I don't want to scare anyone,
for anyone that, for anyone that can't see right now,
the oven is on the other side of the table.
Okay, let me know if I know if you knew but the oven seat is always in the back to burnt mainly hopeful because he's right down the oven.
What do you mean? Oh, are we starting?
Don't make a start us up. Start us up.
Hello?
May.
you
you
you
you
you
you
you
you
I think we're gonna be kind of guiding the whole thing.
It's you're probably good.
Whoever feels like it.
Us, us.
Not him.
He's having to stay quiet.
What's over there?
What?
So I don't want to scare anyone, but the oven, for anyone that can't see right now,
the oven is on the other side of the table.
Okay.
So let me know if I ever have to clutch it and then say, okay.
But an oven's heat is always in the back, so we're gonna get burnt, mainly hopeful,
because he's right on the oven.
Wait, what do you need? Oh, are we starting?
Yo mate! Yo mate, start us off, start us off!
Mate!
Are we good?
I think he's the only one that can read it, no?
Let's get everyone!
Today we're probably gonna be baking a cake in an oven instead of a grill.
We're raising $10,000 for UNICEF and we're going to celebrate that.
Thank you to everyone for showing up.
Wait, should I be looking at the paper?
Let's restart.
Let's restart.
Let's restart.
Okay, we're going again.
Give me the paper.
Okay, wait, let me finish my part.
Let me finish my part.
Today, I might...
No, I will be joined by fired up and hopeful to my right.
To make things a little bit harder for us.
I'm going to be deaf, fired up's going to be blind, and hopeful mute.
Hopefully, it might be the only guy with the recipe.
Also which camera should I be looking at?
Because there's about seven of them.
That one.
Both of them?
Okay.
Okay, perfect.
Mate.
Mate, it's the camera right there and then to the left a bit.
Mate, what are you trying to hold?
I don't know.
I can't see.
Okay.
So what are you going to want to do?
It's 12 o'clock in the camera.
The other one's at about 11.
I love it to your left. Okay, that's good. 12 o'clock right there. There's a cam in your face
Okay, so hopeful what are we thinking?
Read us the recipe. Hey, hopeful's paper seems to be color-coded
I can't jump there in your throat
I mean a cake is it a cake or a cupcake?
What do we go around am I being spoken to?
Get the tray out.
Get the meat?
Woo!
Yo, man, I'mma get the tray out.
I'm still here, by the way.
I'm just coming around.
OK.
So, mate, oh, you want the tray?
Show the camera what we're going to be cooking.
Show the camera, I hit 12.
Yep.
OK.
Oh, it's triangular.
32?
3,200?
325.
OK, plus of that 50, it's a cake.
It's not present here.
325 oh my god, it's right in the middle. I know there's no
Let's put the light on so the camera can see
I have this feeling it's not on there we go
How long do you make a cake for um you bake a cake for how long it says
We're making a cake
Let's bake it
Let's keep I'm gonna turn off the lights. So it's hidden for now
We do now I'm just an all right up right up. Okay, that's gonna be for later. So hold the ball for us
Hold the ball. Okay, that's me. Okay, so you're gonna want to hold this yeah based on what hopeful saying you're gonna want to hold this
Really?
Okay, go
Should I put the ball on the table? It looks like from what he's saying is it under me?
I hear you.
I hear you.
What about hope?
No.
Okay.
Okay, so.
Is it open?
I can open it.
Is it like this?
Yeah, so open that up.
Not too hard because it might explode.
Uh, mate, you might not want to do it like that.
Oh.
I should open this?
I'm sure.
Oh, mate.
Hopeful wants me to open it, but I feel like.
I got it.
I got it.
Okay.
How about you go for like the, um.
Where's the crevice?
Mate, just open it with like a scissor style.
Okay.
Okay.
I got it.
I got it.
open it with like a scissors style is there scissors now that might not be okay
that works okay so now you want to drop about half of it about half of it
give or take how much hmm the whole thing the whole thing okay drop the
whole thing in okay you got it in mate okay let's be very careful next time
on the drop off in the bowl why there might be some left in the bag by the
Sorry.
Okay.
Can everyone hear well at home?
Hopefully.
There you go.
Oh, it does the bow.
Yo, the oven is on, don't stress.
The light's just not on.
Is it all out?
Okay, mate, let's,
you can throw the bag in the garbage.
Mate, I'm gonna give you a table spoon.
One cup.
Mate, one cup.
Give me a cup, one cup.
Okay.
Okay, mate.
Here we go, show the audience how to do it, and then you'll do the four of these.
What? It sounds like...
It's a...
Yes, the four of these.
Excuse me, we need one cup.
It's the one that is not very well, it's off the wedge.
So we'll go with the feeling.
We'll get a little more in there.
Hello more. Yeah
We're making a cake
Okay, we've got about a cup and a half. No we want one cup. Yeah, we want one cup. Okay
right
Are we really doing the icing on the oil? Are you sure we're putting oil in it?
Really? Yeah, read that part. We're putting oil. Okay, so
Oh, about that much?
Mm-hmm.
OK.
May, I'm going for it.
What are you doing?
Is that an hour?
OK, thank you.
Mm-mm-mm.
You're saying mm-mm.
Do you want me to put this in there?
Again?
Another set?
How many?
One, two, three, yo.
Three?
Give me a hand, Lord.
OK.
3, give me a 2.
Okay, I can hear you, so just tell me, what is he saying?
He's saying, mm, he's not.
So, about 1 cup, 1 quarter cup.
1, 2, 3, 4, quarter, half, half, quarter, mm-hmm.
How about we put the butter in?
Quarter, mm-hmm, quarter.
Okay, mate, you take the quarter cup.
Yeah.
Okay, so another one in there.
one quarter one you want a smaller one order quarter quarter quarter oh just a
bit okay and what do I do with this what do you do with it do we mix it we'll
hold it right there okay three of them okay mate take one okay so I'm gonna hold
this next to you so we're okay we're gonna use this one so that's an egg so
what you're gonna want to do is you're gonna want to crack it yeah you can use
your hands and kind of just go like this where's the table no not the table
you want to really use your hands and just slam it in half my hands yeah that
works okay that's not bad at all oh right here man in the trash can nice I'll
meet do another one while you're waiting on my hands man I'll get to you right
here you do that one wait hold on do that one too do that one too we need
are you good I got you okay okay so you're almost there you're almost there
okay you got it oh that's tough I can recover I can recover okay next one try
to put it a little more deep. Let it go. Well done. Okay. This one, try to put it a little
deeper in the bowl, so it's not all in the same spot. Because all the eggs are in the
same spot of the bowl right now. Okay, I can go deeper. A little deeper to your right.
Right. Okay, perfect. Perfect. This is a bad crack. And you okay. It's it. That
well done well done but it's all in the same spot stop stop dropping everything on
the ground okay put it yep go nice any napkins you actually get a bail out you
actually got bailed out right there yep we're about a minute what do you want
me to do it okay mate so pick this up with your hands and what you're gonna
You're gonna want to do, you're gonna want to go kind of like this.
You're gonna want to go like this a bit.
Oh, ew.
Right here, mate.
I showed you how to do it.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Okay, don't move like that.
Okay, the ball is here.
You just got to whisk it.
So just go like a little bit.
Like this?
Okay, mate, let's go at about 40% speed there.
Like this?
Okay, yeah, that's not bad at all.
Okay.
So make sure to get all the edges here because there's a lot of flour everywhere, okay?
And if you let go of the bowl, I'm not holding it
Okay, very nice very nice get the edges a little more
Okay, am I am I whisking shown the ball shown the ball?
Okay, mate, let's go a little more in the deep bowl. Yes, that's perfect
You sure there's enough liquid in here?
Mm-hmm.
Okay, mate, I'm not gonna lie.
I can go quicker.
That's good.
That's good.
No?
Mm.
Hope, what are we thinking?
Mm-hmm.
Hold on.
Mate, I'll finish it out, mate.
There's really...
Okay.
The edges are really doomed a bit.
Mm.
I'm sure.
Yo, mate, it is looking amazing.
I think I'm just speaking to myself right now.
Okay?
Mm-hmm.
Mate, it was actually not bad.
What do you think? More?
Mm-hmm.
Just a little more?
Mm-hmm.
Okay, mate, a little more.
Okay.
I can hold the bolt.
Hey, how's it looking?
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Looks good.
Okay, mate.
Just make sure to twist it so it doesn't, like, get stuck and freeze.
So you just want to move it a bit.
Yep.
We got a new bolt.
Oh, this one's a little quick.
Like this?
Oh, boy.
Am I doing it?
Mm-hmm.
Okay, what are we thinking?
Mm-hmm.
butter really? This is actually good because I'm on a
he's on a no sugar, no salt diet is what he's going to say. May it is unsalted butter
which actually fits my diet of no salt and no sugar for the since 2018 so this is quite
nice for me I might be able to taste it. Oh I didn't know.
Okay.
Hope I'm fully following what you're saying right now.
The whole thing with the paper or no.
Mm-mm, mm-mm, mm-mm, mm-mm.
Ooh.
Yo, is it just me or is it like it's like half melted?
Mm-mm, yeah, that's good.
I'm talking to myself.
Okay.
Mm-mm, mm-mm, mm-mm.
Perfect.
Mm-mm.
Yep.
Okay we got the powdered sugar coming in.
Ooh, two cups of this?
Wow, okay this is gonna be a sugary cake.
We'll get a little extra in there?
That's about a cup, maybe a little more even.
Let's put a little more.
Okay, this might not be the easiest thing to take out of a powdered sugar bowl.
That's good.
Mate, we got the right amount.
Make sure that's not freezing.
Here, if you wanna lick the sugar up.
I don't wanna lick.
Nice.
This is some absolute banger,
gym playlist going on in my ears right now.
Oh, you don't want the whole thing?
How many of these?
Only one?
Hello, is it a vanilla cupcake or no?
Mm-hmm.
Okay, we'll add a little extra then.
Mm-hmm.
We're making cupcakes.
A little splash?
Okay.
A little splash for the taste.
Yeah, I got you.
Okay, no time, in there?
The whole thing?
Mm-hmm.
Two of these.
Let me know if you-
That's it?
Really?
Let me know if you need-
Is that, yo man, did you lick their sugar?
No.
Okay.
Go for it.
I'm good.
Mate, I think, hopefully it's gonna tell you
it's pretty solid right now.
It's not freezing?
Oh my God.
Okay, I hold.
Okay, here we go.
We're coloring it.
Okay.
Is it to our liking or very specific?
Okay, mate, take the green.
You can drop that.
You can drop that.
In here?
No, I'm not.
Okay.
No, no, I meant drop that right here.
Green.
Don't spill it.
Okay.
You take the blue.
So we'll each add.
So, mate, here's your bow.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Green, however much you want.
Is that under me?
One, two.
Stop it.
Is that enough for you?
Okay, nice.
Okay, so it is going to be a heavily green cake.
Wow.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay, okay.
I'll go.
Am I adding a lot of yellow?
Okay, hopeful barely.
No.
Okay.
Okay.
you
Okay, go for it.
I'm good.
May, I think I was going to tell you it's pretty solid right now.
It's not freezing?
Oh my god.
Okay, I hold.
Drop.
Okay, there you go.
We're coloring it.
Okay.
Is it to our liking or a very specific?
Okay.
Take the green you can drop that you can drop that in here. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. No one okay
No, no, I meant drop that right here. Mm-hmm. Okay. Here's your green. Don't spill it. Okay. You take the blue
So we'll each add whatever color is open
So mate here's your bowl
Yeah, you're good, okay now drop a little bit of green however much you want is under me you're good. Yeah right there
Where are you feeling?
You're good?
Is that enough for you?
Okay, nice.
I hope it's the blue.
Okay, so it is gonna be a heavily green cake
from the look of it, but that it's fine.
Wow.
Okay.
There, wow.
Okay.
I'll go, I'll try to make it look not too green
by adding a lot of yellow,
cause hopefully barely added blue.
Should I add more green?
No.
Okay.
It should be a good mix.
Yep.
May get the hand out from the licks.
Okay, so you wanna cut up the butter here?
You wanna cut up the butter a little bit?
I got that.
Maybe not you, mate.
Okay.
Apparently you're not doing much today.
I don't.
Okay.
I can hold something.
Okay, so let's give an update.
Okay.
Let's give a quick update.
So it is looking very thick and now there's hope is there enough cake. I'm not gonna lie
How's it looking I don't know I am not sure this is gonna be a cake. I'm not gonna lie
Okay, I
I think I just heard Frong say that's the process.
You want it all in the same spot?
More?
Got it.
Hope, what are you checking your phone?
Okay.
You'll need to get 10 seconds of watching your phone
since you did it.
We're mixing it?
Oh, I forgot what you meant.
Okay, that's how you do it.
You do it. Something bad happens.
Something bad happens.
Me?
Mate, apparently you have to do something crazy right here.
Okay, I can save it. I can save the run.
What were you doing that for?
I don't know.
Okay, so you're going to take this.
Hold on, not yet, not yet. You don't want to touch this part.
Let me get everything off of this.
And then we're going to put this right here to let it rest.
Alright mate, take this.
Take this.
You're going to want to drop it in my tray.
No, I'm not. I don't think so
Really? Yeah
No, have I dropped it?
May apparently I have to do this point you
May you hold you hold the train you hold the train and keep it still okay, let me know if I need to move it
Oh, wow, it is not going to, okay, I might have to use a different tech.
Hold on here.
Hold on.
Oh my God, there's some green on it.
This is not going to work at all.
Oh, it works, it works.
Okay, mate, hold on.
Hope, what are you thinking here?
You want it all or is there too much?
Oh, it's already turning green.
It's already turning green.
We haven't even mixed in the green yet.
Yo, this bowl is about to fall out of my hands.
Okay.
And...
Cut.
That's good.
Okay, the movie's over, I think.
The movie's over.
Okay, no, we're good.
The song was over, at least.
Oh.
Oh, hey!
You said, oh!
I heard that part.
Hello.
That's good.
Okay, mate, you're going to put that in the oven.
So now it's going to be hot, so you can put it in the oven.
Okay, mate, you're going to put it in the oven.
Okay, mate, you're gonna put them in the oven,
so now it's gonna be hot, so you're gonna do a ritual.
Where is it?
I can do that.
I've always, mate, just pass over the cake over the table.
Right here?
Mm-hmm.
Thank you.
Okay.
Thank you.
Let's close the lights so nobody in the audience
can see yet.
Oh my God, this could be a burning sensation.
Let's turn it this way so we can see in the camera.
All right, here we go.
And then all up in the light, here you go.
Perfect, 30 minutes.
30?
Time management was amazing.
Okay.
Three.
A little more.
Time good?
A little less.
Mm-hmm.
Time?
Mm-hmm.
This one or this one?
Mm-hmm.
The time?
I mean, time.
A little less, are you sure?
Mm-hmm.
Perfect, about 25 minutes.
So we were a little too quick, apparently.
Oh, you were too quick.
Let me see what I can do here.
Let me close this up right here.
Oh yeah, forgot about that.
Okay.
Mate, no way.
Oh my God, were you not stirring this thing?
Were you not stirring the green?
Give.
Here we go.
Okay, stir this, play it up for your wall.
Good.
Okay.
Okay, there's definitely a little blue missing.
By the way, hopeful put like a dot in there.
We can add some blue.
Yeah, that should be solid.
All right, what are we thinking now?
I'll get the edges.
Mm-hmm.
Oh.
Wait, this is actually kind of work.
It's looking more like brass now.
Is it good?
Venomousy?
Mm-hmm.
Theme of the raid?
Hope, what's the next step?
Mm-hmm.
Let's not worry about that.
Let's not worry about that.
What color is it right now?
I mean, it's not too.
It's a.
Oh, I'm speaking to myself again.
OK, so there may have been a misprint error.
The green river aiming for is...
You
We're on Saturday and I want nothing more than more splits.
Atlas, I heard you asking in breakfast,
you know, if we could see Mythic today.
What was the response to that?
I had Gupta maniacally laugh.
That was his only answer.
And then Impact chuckled under his breath when him, maybe.
So it's looking like it's a possibility,
but they are feeling a little bit cynical about it.
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I think those take stand up from the beginning of the race
Yeah, so I
It was it was a lot of you know respectable, but maybe a bit generic
Mugs coming out of the pre-section a little bit. Okay, so we had some great up a bit
We had some great pet pet pictures though. Oh, we finally got some cats on on broadcast
I'm not only that but like very respectable business casual cats business casual cats. Okay, so no like tuxedo cats
So it was like well, I think I think we're gonna tie board not not not fur, but an actual tie
Yeah, yeah, so when I when I take my doctor the groomers they always send them back with like a little tie a little bit of data
It's so cute
All right. Well any any any housing submissions anything cool like that. I didn't see any of them
Okay, yeah, it's hard. It's hard to get good pictures of your house and stuff
So anybody wants to send it in feel that GG slash donate $30 or more pets transmog or wow housing
pictures, yeah anything like that all welcome. I'm pushing this so hard
because also you know charity is great raising money for you to have it's great
but also there's not a lot going on right now. The readers are doing splits they're
gonna be continuing to doing splits for probably most of the day. I talked to
THD a little bit but let's first talk about these incentives. We went to we
got to $10,000 we got to see that video with Hopeful Shaquib and fired
up and now our next goal is gonna be are you smarter than a fifth
greater and I'm a little nervous about that also what fifth grader like in what
timeline because I feel like fifth graders now I've had kids I've had AI kids
yeah I those kids don't say a chance fifth graders when we were fifth graders
I don't know yeah everybody was much smarter back in our day yes back in our
day yes everybody that is our age is just smarter the thing about the are
you smarter than fifth-grader thing is they just have obscure knowledge on
niche facts that like you otherwise would never ever learn and then it's
laying onto that your entire life then you have a fun fact to tell people later
but you know it's not common knowledge. No. I got quiz on Medici today
randomly and I had to pull that my eighth grade history knowledge out of my
hat. Hmm. Yeah there's like something that's like you have no idea what that is.
Yes I do. So maybe Medici will be on that quiz
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It's literally a school in a box with all kinds of school supplies for an entire classroom of children
$160 will provide one recreational kit which includes a variety of balls boards games and toys and
One of my favorite parts, but it was also kind of like bittersweet depressing was when you got to go
Like look at all the ads for back-to-school supplies and then go shopping with your mom before school
I found that super exciting yeah, I hated it. I wanted summer to never end. Oh, no, I loved it
Yeah, I but also again, I was a bit OCD so like I got really really into the
Organizing my notebooks to the appropriate colors and having the proper tabs in it and the folders for all of it
And I was making fun little color coordinated
Segments in my and by here for all these things. Oh, yeah, all of mine were just loose papers in my backpack
Oh my god, yeah, one of those kids. Oh, yeah, that somehow doesn't surprise me
Yeah
Did you like when you were like did your homework to was it like hold on one second?
You're like getting all of the paper out of the backpack and you like found a crumble. Yeah. Yeah, but you did it in the end
Correct, you know
No
Give or take more or less. I was a type of student that was doing the homework between class periods
Yeah, I would I would do this sometimes you get the one where it's like it's a short homework
And you'd sit in the back of the room
Yeah
You guys lived a life of chaos. It was it was a heart-pounding action. Yeah, it was it was fine
You never did that Alice
No, so it is if I if I want to play video games
I had to finish my homework first so I
Believe I got home and immediately cranked that out so I can do what I wanted
You had invented the the lie about your homework being done. No, I was I was a very very very goody-to-shoes
I see I see yeah, so I was I coasted right in the middle. I wasn't like yeah
I mean, I wasn't gonna try and get anything crazy about it,
but like, you know, if I knew I could get my homework done
at school tomorrow, and I can't play my computer
at school tomorrow, so the math was obvious.
It's a pain in the picture for you guys.
My mom dressed me up until like eighth grade.
Oh, wow.
No, I was like seventh grade.
Seventh grade is when I started breaking out of my show
and doing my own personality
and became a little skater kid, but yeah.
I was the kid with the roller backpack
in middle school having it just get kicked
the entire time.
No.
I had a little bit of baby fat in my cheeks.
And they got you a little bit of a walk.
No, I got bullied real hard.
I was tiny, I was like tiny, tiny.
So yeah, I was very goody two shoes by the books,
like a little pathetic, maybe, you know,
easily taking advantage of that kind of a thing.
Okay, did you get bullied, dreadnose?
No, not really.
Really?
That's so surprising.
Ha!
What the hell?
What the hell?
Can you explain in what way is that surprising to you?
No, no, no.
I'm allowed to say that.
I know, I know, I know.
Because I'm not horrifically bullied at all.
I'd like you to elaborate,
like what characteristics about me
make you think that I'm especially believable
so you're kind demeanor and a bit along with everybody you just think oh you
know he's
so kind hearted
uh... they know that he wouldn't strike back type things that what
that was that i'm gonna assume
unassumed that's what you meant
he's such a green flag of a person that somebody you know it would look
and cause the maximum amount of pain to be specific to be honest so that's
kind of bullying works right tall poppy syndrome
this is such a tall poppy such a beautiful flower that doesn't surprise
somebody wanted to to pick I see I see that's it but uh you know what I'm gonna
change subjects here because we're doing our first pull of the day very
conveniently for me and I'm a fan of this boss what do you guys think yeah I thought
it was complete slot before this raid came out and yeah I did not enjoy the
concept of it whatsoever the concept is in like what parts of just it's like
mechanic vomit at times but getting to play through it a little bit there's
redeeming qualities there I think it's grown on me it's getting a little bit
more fun as things have like kind of played out throughout the raid I like
that there's a damage check on it randomly on her way it kind of makes
you have to optimize a little bit I like the you know varying distinct sense of
mechanics coming from each one of the snakes that make you play the fight
differently. I'm for sure not going to like the mythic version, at least from my perspective.
I think liquid doing it will be fun to watch, but I think this would be rage-inducing for my guild.
Yeah, there's a, even on Heroic, there's a few elements of RNG
that I find kind of annoying about this fight. Like the tank stonebreaker mechanic here
can either be nuclear difficulty or not difficult at all based on which order it
comes in and where the waves are. Sometimes you can have a wave that's just absolutely
like bisecting the soak that you're going to do and leaving you with a very small space
that you can stand without getting the poison dot. And then sometimes it's easy, sometimes
you just get to stand in the clear soaks the entire time. And then also for me, one of the
big things is the intermission. It is a very different experience if the laser is spinning
towards or away from the direction you want to travel and I'm a little bit worried about if this
fight continues to be a DPS check on Mythic I could see that easily representing an extra percent
off the boss if you're able to just get there and plant versus having to go the long way around
or having to wait for that laser before you move so those are a couple of potential gripes
that I have with it also the the tank auto attack range I could use a little buff in my
opinion like a little farther before it hit you with the giga damage you're out of range
thing.
Something you're noticing though, at least when it comes to the laser and the intermission
being a little bit RNG in your experience with it, the position of the start of the
beam is dictated by the tank who has aggro.
So if you're playing something like a leap tank that has really really quick snap mobility,
there is the option to immediately recognize where the second snake traveled to and
and then leap to the exact opposite corner
and then make everybody not have to move at all
the entire time.
Yeah, you just make it kind of always pretty good.
Yeah, and you'd have to be a little bit careful
with their position.
So yeah, that might be good if you have a leap tank,
although I'm not sure.
I'm not sure we will have a leap tank in this area.
I guess a vengeance even hunter could be an option,
but both vengeance even hunter and prot warrior feel great,
but they both bring raid buffs that you're very likely
to have from your DPS composition.
So it's a little bit less.
It doesn't feel great to put your eggs in that basket.
early. We're also probably looking at, you know, perhaps a prop palette being played. Yeah, this fight on Mythic features like 14
kicks that you need to get on these different ads that spawn. So the way it works on Mythic is like right about now you have a bunch of
little ads starting to spawn up near the snakes and they all need to get kicked. They all show up, get kicked once and go away and
there's 14 total of them that will spawn. So pretty much everybody in the raid needs to get a kick. If you've got a prop
Not Pally though, they can take care of several of them, which makes it a lot easier and you
can completely control a few of the spawn locations.
When you say weed, do you mean lucid or liquid?
He means lucid, right?
When you're saying, like, weed?
Uh...
The community as a whole.
The wild player base.
The wild player base.
Would that be you, Switching?
Um, yeah.
No, I meant specifically liquid in this context, actually, when it comes to, like, a prop
paladin being played.
I think, just in general, this is maybe the only boss that kind of lends itself to that class, making an appearance.
It doesn't seem particularly all that thrilling outside of this.
And trivializing the kicks, which is a big, big point of failure for a lot of these guilds that were blowing this boss onto the PTR testing,
would help make it a little bit more consistent.
Yeah, my guild is prepping both of our tanks or prepping a prop halogen, specifically because of our experience testing this fight.
It's like, well, we're probably not going to main it, probably, but...
Yeah.
We would like to have a geared one so that we can use it on this fight, which is a pretty big commitment for one boss
But it seemed like it would be really nice
Although I wouldn't be shocked if it ends up not really mattering
The laser minigame though, even if you don't play a leap tank, it creates funny dynamics and situations where you feel like
You might want to be helping your raid
Maybe you cheat to one side and you think that you have a good idea of like oh
This might make it a little bit easier for everybody and then you end up screwing them twice as hard
Yeah, if you've ever had that experience in any of your heroic runs, I know we have personally in Lucid, but
Like this one for example, you know great position for the start of the beam
But you're gonna start to notice it really start to creep up on the right side here once they get situated and then they're hitting
So it threads. Yeah, it's rather far so you can see it fired up being pushed a little bit from it
Actually gonna blink over the rest of the raid able to cheat a bit to the side and avoid that one
Now we're on the final section, but of course boss HP nowhere close to a worry here for liquid
We were talking about this being a DPS check and it was on Tuesday
Mm-hmm, and it was sort of on Wednesday. Yeah now. We're here on Saturday
These are yeah, a lot of these splits have ults that have already crafted
You know staves or we've got characters in here that are main quality now that are you know 305
Those sorts of things exist on the roster now. We've got two arms warriors in this raid as well
So you even got yips dual boxing in there dead character the entire pulse 29 man
Impressive. Yeah, is that somebody showing up later something or a hang a chore done or something. Yip's is dual boxing
So he's got two characters. No, I know but like
Yeah, they might just be missing a guy who knows maybe he's still asleep
Somebody sleepy that missing the first boss of splits does happen
Have you ever had any particularly memorable, like, somebody being asleep in the race to
world first?
Oh, so many.
So many.
I mean, notably the ones that not frequently happen, but like if it were to happen to anyone,
far enough, you know.
Yeah, sometimes he does fall asleep.
We've specifically, for multiple races now, given him an accountable roommate to wake
him up.
Really?
Because there was a couple instances when he first came to these events, he would
kind of like sleep him through his alarm and we learned that he needs a buddy.
So who's his buddy now?
I don't know who his buddy is now.
I think it's C.O.R.I.?
That's the most I can say.
I was gonna say like, oh you get Shaq, they're such good friends, but it's like no, Shaq cannot be trusted in this sort of thing.
No, you can't put them together because then they have like a negative effect on one another.
Yeah.
They're like a toxic relationship.
Well they're like staying up till three like giggling and having their sleep over.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I can't remember if it's fired up that has C.O.R.I. as a roommate, or if it's T.H. as C.O.R.I. as a roommate.
one of the two.
Is THD not responsible?
THD?
So no, THD is the most responsible to the point where it's almost annoying.
He shows up here at like 6am, 7am, super, super early.
The guy needs four hours of sleep, so.
Usually around like, I think 7, because I can't hear really early too.
Yeah.
So I think it's like, it's really like 7.30.
And then Sang is, it's like usually.
Sang very early.
Yeah.
Usually Sang arrives like shortly after THD.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Now THD will just like show up, open up a Twitch chat, catch up on all the memes
that he's been missing because he needs to be in a loop at all times.
Yeah.
like IRC Client where it's got like 20 different Twitch chats and any of them light up if anybody
types THD in any of them.
It's great.
You can summon them.
You can probably summon them right now.
Yeah.
You can summon certain channels.
You can summon them too.
He told me he did.
I learned some lore from him this morning that he really likes doing keys with Australians.
I guess they'll be awake when-
I guess they'll be awake when-
He's right now and also he says they're really good-
Yeah.
That Australians are better than an average.
And he did a key and got his ring this morning.
Ooh.
something good this morning?
Not bad.
Yeah.
And then you also told me that there might be a key session later today.
Yeah.
That was the response I heard when Mythic was brought up.
And so I was like, oh, Mythic Plus?
Yeah.
Which is not what I wanted to hear.
I love Mythic Plus.
Lots of joy to be had in Mythic Plus.
On Saturday, the race to the world first, I do not want to watch Mythic Plus, but
I fear we might get to.
Somebody ask.
Go ahead.
Can I throw in a bomb of potential scheduling for a day?
Yeah, please, yeah.
A nuclear little fun fact that might or might not upset the masses.
Yeah.
So we asked them, what's the odds of Mythic going today, right?
And then they did this cheeky thing of like, well,
we still got a couple more splits.
We might do a lot of Mythic plots, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Now you know how it feels to be on our side of this one.
Yeah, honestly, it's not that bad.
I prefer this over whatever they're going.
Over being on the split side, yeah.
They said, you know, we got a couple of Heroics to clean up, totally makes sense.
They got a few Heroic Ullitacks to clean up, and Cold Alters and Twin Fangs totally make sense.
They don't have all that many of them, and they're like, all right, cool.
So like after lunch, Mythic, and they're like, maybe it's like just a bunch of keys, right?
And that totally makes sense too.
There's like a available window of time where they're going to want Crest upgrades
from the Heroic Track items that drop off of Mythic Plus at three out of six.
And there's a couple other pieces of gear that are going to need to be upgraded
and they don't want to spend the Crest on it.
So that's a good use of time to power up and not give away too much on mythic specifically when they end up
You know steam rolling through the first few bosses and then I heard whispers in the wind and rumors and
Potentials and a serious consideration for mythic splits. Yeah. Oh my god
I made that my stream title this morning as a joke
Yeah, the the problem is
All right, it's Saturday. If you imagine that we get through most of Saturday still gearing up. It'll be Sunday
So we'll have two days left in the reset
How much value do you get out of trying to progress the raid on mythic? Mm-hmm say
Cizerak is the wall for instance
And that's going to take a lot of work to get through and maybe liquid will be able to kill it on Monday
For instance, but maybe not Sunday
How valuable is that compared to say doing the first three bosses if we assume those are easy and splittable and
and doing them seven times and being able to collect an extra six times 12.
It's like 80 pieces of loot from those, right?
From those first three bosses being run in six additional splits.
It's starting to get very tempting.
Like, it's very annoying.
It's like because splits went so long,
now there's an incentive to do more splits.
It's a little bit of a different reason than we saw Mythic splits last time,
which is because we ran out of progression to do.
And this time it's like, because there's so much progression to do and we have so little time left in the reset,
it might be worth doing the Mythic Splits, but it is a scary thing to be the first guild to commit to Mythic Splits, right?
Because in a world where like, you commit to Mythic Splits and then Echo go into the raid and like,
Cizeraxe 5 pulls, Vashniks 8 pulls, Twin Fangs is 22 pulls, and then they're pulling Coiled Altar and you're just sitting there like,
Hey, all our mains are saved at different lockouts.
You feel exactly like somebody who would use that tone of voice, right?
Like we're just there having a very bad time.
Yeah, it's a big gamble for sure, depending on what you view the difficulty of the
raid overall being.
Right.
Exactly.
They kill too many bosses and too many bosses are able to be killed.
It's a massive, massive loss.
But on the flip side, if some of these bosses put up a little bit of a fight,
let's say Cesarak, for example, it takes way too long and maybe that
It might be like the last boss that you killed this week.
Having the availability of four or five,
maybe separate runs, all doing the first three on Mythic
and spreading out that loot onto a bunch
of different characters gives you so much long-term power.
And it's a way, way, way better decision.
So it's ultimately just a gamble, you know?
What do they want to commit to?
What do they feel like is the best use of their time?
What do they feel like is a safe way
to secure a win on the race?
Exactly, which is, of course,
gonna be their decision-making much as we may suffer.
they uh... i mean they're suffering too don't get a twist to the tough part is
as well
is all right they say they make the decision to get the splits now that
pushes back with the progression and it's not the tuesday it is a past
tuesday because
tuesday's gonna roll around and guess what
heroic coil balter and her legal attacks are very much still going to be
worth running next week
a lot of coins are going to be spent on the rules might be spent on
her legal attack
there's a chance that in liquid in particular
It's going to be worth holding them for Mythic Coiled Altar,
because there's a good chance that'll go down next.
One can hope that we'll be able to die next week.
But I've been, I was theory crafting this a little bit
and I was thinking, wow, you know,
if you run Mythic Splits this week,
you can actually do some further delaying
of your main decision.
If you have a few main candidates,
you might potentially be able to delay a main
until after the vault slash bonus roll section
of next week, based on what you get there.
You know, if you've got some characters that have like your bonus rolling Ula-Tek and there's
two great items and one pretty good item, or your bonus rolling Coiled Altar Heroic even,
and there's one really jackpot item and a few pretty good items,
you might be able to get multiple bites at the apple if you set it up, right?
Yeah, it's an interesting proposition, for sure.
I think it kind of gets a little bit difficult when you consider how good the last two boss loot is on Heroic,
and how irreplaceably good those items are.
Some of the main decisions are going to be completely dictated by that, but let's say you have like a couple options
And yeah the availability to do mythic then yeah, you definitely get into this weird weird spot where
It also comes out to like time efficiency
You know exactly like you don't even want to go into mythic splits with the availability of multiple characters being potential mains because
That just kind of dilutes the mythic split process and imputes your position where like you're
You're kind of not valuing the items that you would get from the mythic
Exactly it sort of has to be somebody you have to kind of get unlucky and just be like oh, man
We just got a lot of plate good right splits, right? I guess we're gonna have a couple of
Strong plate characters on the same account. Yeah, the whole purpose of mythic splits is not with the express purpose of increasing the amount
Of options that you have it's just making the options that you have collected and dedicated your time towards stronger. So
You know, I I hope that
They do mythic splits just for the bit
Yeah, that would be fun and entertaining for me, but I know from a viewing experience it would suck so bad
Yeah, uh to feel like we're not getting any cool or interesting bosses done this week. Um
It'll be weird. Yeah, it's uh, it's funny as well because I do imagine you're working at blizzard, right?
Yeah, and you know after last race you're like, oh man, whatever we did it made them do mythic splits. All right
Let's do it a little bit different this time. Oh, man, it was the you know, the rate is too easy
We got these mythic splits. You're like, okay, let's crank it up a little bit
And then it's like, oh the rain's too hard. They're doing mythic splits. Come on. Yeah
So what's happening here?
This is a really weird analogy, but there was a period of time
where I worked at a rock climbing gym,
and I set my first rock climbing route.
First one ever.
Saw a guy go up to it.
I'm short.
This dude starts and just reaches up
to pretty much the finish.
I'm like, oh, I didn't think about that.
Let me re-route that.
Yeah, that's it.
You've got to think about ways that people
are going to cheese things, because they will if they can.
I'm sure that's a very.
Lesson from a very common game designer experience. Yeah, what you were then, right? Yeah, it was the difficulty of the route
We didn't we didn't have grades
Yeah, because they vary so much between yeah, like Jim to Jim so the owners concept was kind of like it's
Stupid to grade routes
So you hear somebody say, oh, I did a v3 like that can be so many different things
I've been going to different different countries at different rating systems. Oh, I bet like in like the Netherlands
It's like all was really inflated because they're also tall there. It could be yeah, they call that tall man beta
Yeah
We need a rock climbing. We won't we got a lot of time one of my best friends loves rock climbing
She goes all the time natural at it
And I've only ever went bouldering one time in my life
And I remember leaving afterwards and my fingers felt destroyed those are the first things you got to build up your ligament strength and your
Fingies. Oh, yeah. Yep
And flexibility surprisingly
Yeah, a lot of flexible hip flexibility is really helpful as well
I mean, there's definitely some like really weird moves that require you to have crazy like knee flexibility hip flexibility
Oh, yeah, anytime it came to latching a hook on my foot up around a corner
I was just not able to do that whatsoever like a hill hook. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, those ones make my
Hammy's cramp, too
I don't like that's crazy called like a figure eight where you you grab something with your hand
And then you put your leg around it and it kind of like locks you in there and lets you climb up on yourself almost
It's freaky it goes deep like pulling yourself up by your bootstraps kind of thing. Exactly. Yeah, it's a metaphor for life
I see. I see. Yeah, there's a lot of analogies. I could bring a couple of questions from chat for you guys that I wrote down
Okay
First one is for Dr. Atnos. Dr. Atnos is how it's dressed
I see they were wondering how long it takes after getting their wisdom teeth removed to no longer feel pain
Mine was pretty quick. I I got my wisdom teeth out like a year or two ago, okay, and I
Don't know they kind of just like popped out. It's all
Yeah, they're just like, you know, I had some pain meds from it
I don't remember I don't really needing them like I took them for a day or two and then are you serious
I was it was show where they had they grown out or were they still they were like starting to hurt while they were in
So yeah, they're pushing against the other the other teethies. You're lucky. What was your experience Atlas?
I took out three of my wisdom teeth. I still have one one. It's back there
Yeah, it's in the top right and it's just getting real crooked. So I gotta take it out eventually
It's not pushing against any my teeth none of them are impacted any
Movement of that teeth in particular, but
It sucked because I got all three taken out at the same time. Yeah, and they were all out
So basically I was just it was like a normal extraction. They just pulled it out
And I got three holes in my mouth, and I can't chew on any side of it
Oh, yeah, like you had to use the little like squeegee thing to get food out of it every day
Yeah, well, oh, yeah, I had to do that. I wish I had a squeegee thing, but unfortunately I just use a toothpick
Oh, bro. Yeah, it was not great. I was like send you home with one. No
They only removed three of them. Well, they didn't want to do all four. They're like, ah, he came to chew anything
I'll leave you one teeth
Yeah, that's why we have to get them removed.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it didn't really make sense.
But anyways, I was digging around in there with like the toothpick
and let me tell you, you're just scraping around on like raw gum
line and there's just an empty hole in your mouth.
It's like nails on chalkboard in your mouth.
So that would feel particularly great.
And I kept eating food that I knew damn well that it was
going to cause problems in that way.
So that made for an interesting, like, I don't know,
two, three weeks of just pure hell.
But other than that, it was chill.
It wasn't too bad.
Really quick process.
I think it took me, yeah, I think like two or three weeks
of pain, it was like a deep pain too, I remember.
Cause mine hadn't grown out yet,
they were still like in my jaw.
So yeah, about that, if that answers your question,
what are my other ones?
What are the unsung, this is for Atlas,
what are the unsung heroes of the guild
that don't get a lot of like screen time protection?
There's a lot.
Arissa handles basically all of the guild thing stuff
finances and things like that he pays people out yeah make sure the guild bank
is constantly stocked if there's like a beery or something he's like immediately
on the hunt for it across all these different servers shout out my boy
party Pete you know he's the liquid guild crafter that guy is just working
night and day constantly making sure that he has like I don't know countless
characters making sure you can craft for everybody
yeah it was so random yeah party Pete I was like well it took me a second to
registered also just like an insanely or a field name yeah yeah yeah or a field man
also yeah yeah this makes sense very charismatic yeah you hear party Pete and
you're just like all right we're ready for yeah you know yeah there's also a
really creepy dude there and I was like party Pete I'm gonna hide behind yeah
he blocked creepy dude so yeah we got Malia she's the you know talent
manager not talent manager but manager side of things yeah in terms of like
like would kill them like liquid the organization in terms of making sure
the players are taken accounted for.
Nada is our performance coach.
She's the one making sure that they'll
have the supplements that they need day to day,
making sure that they're good on their hydration,
making sure that they're doing healthy habits.
I think she's constantly, I see her constantly running
around with like four water bottles in each hand.
Yeah, and they're like clinking around.
I tell you, no, she's coming.
No, she's coming.
Yeah, exactly.
No, she works really hard.
You can see her sometimes, long brown hair.
the player games
now for subbies
you know everyone at team liquid staff themselves
um...
zack, franck, you know
olivia
everyone here just really puts in a considerable amount of work that like
goes unnoticed for the most part
especially when you guys are just like watching the stream
watching the players kind of like do their thing it takes a village to make sure these people are
comfortable and in good position to just focus on the gameplay and not have to worry about other stuff
so
there's a lot of unsung heroes you know
Um, and they don't necessarily get as much screen time as everybody else.
Yeah.
And then there's also like some kind of in the analyst crew.
Like, do you guys still have a Uri?
Yeah.
Uri, who else?
Who are you?
Uri, Bubba, Telegon, um, Lummel, huge one, Lummel.
Dude, Lummel's been just stepping up like crazy the last two, three races.
Oh, has he?
Yeah.
So I think you believe, I believe he got made an officer, uh, within the
guild.
He's just the most proactive person in terms of constantly thinking of ways to
improved fights and not only that personally reaching out to players and
Pitching ideas to them of how to optimize things for their class and I wish I had someone like that
He has a very very deep understanding of the game
And I don't have a deep understanding of every single class in the game
Which is you know a necessity for an analyst to have and a lot of like the suggestions that he gives might seem a little
Bit crazy, but he's like fielding even your opinion on things that might seem unintuitive
Or he's specifically seeking things that you wouldn't think of and I think that's so essential like during
race you know what I mean you might be so sure of yourself and be like oh this is
definitely the right idea but like have I even considered an alternative that I
have not thought of before yeah I remember specifically on Demensis he was
like asking about double on use when it came to Frosty case and you know DK's
were notably doing crazy amounts of damage on that fight and he was like
going through and cross-referencing Echo Vods and he was like looking through
like specific damage amp timings and like the flexibility of both of these
trinket options at the time which there was two crazy on use trinkets
for that raid and then he would even pitch it to the other classes and
found apical uses for rogues to use it and then rogues ended up doing that on
that fight and they made the brogues so much more powerful so the guy is just
like very in tune with the spirit of the game and he's not only good at being
knowledgeable but good at presenting it in a way to the players that doesn't
make you feel criticized you know yeah which is also important he has a big
sense of tact like listen I know this isn't something you have thought of
necessarily but like let's put it in a way that makes you feel like you're
excited to try it you know yeah what a nice guy almost a great guy because he's
super into like health too right because I think yeah yeah you fitness journey you
get a big fitness journey yeah a lot of weight he looks great yeah okay awesome
yeah it's a lot more than the people that you're seeing on your screen right
now we help so much yeah they we have you said he's easily believable that's
true. Yeah, I'm experiencing that now. I appreciate how true it was, but now I'm starting to see the
patterns. Oh, no. I think those were all of my questions. There was one that I feel like we kind
of have talked about, but maybe we can go at it in like a very much more basic understanding of the
race. It's always the question of why haven't they pulled Mythic yet? Why are there guilds that
are in the top 10 on the leaderboard that are in Mythic and where not? And it's just,
It's they're still optimizing. They're still optimizing. No one's really behind yet
I think even like XD is still optimizing. It's I think they just went in there just to see is what I heard
Yeah, so I mean we can we can kind of do this from first principles, right? Like yes. Yeah, let's explain why
the race looks the way that it does and
The answer is okay. The first few bosses tends to be
Really quite easy in the scheme of things, right? Like even on mythic difficulty when you compare them to an end boss
The first few bosses are nowhere close to an end boss in terms of difficulty.
Yeah, so the race world first is almost all about the end boss the end boss and any other potentially really important bosses along the way
Sometimes there's zero of those and sometimes there's two or three
You know sometimes there's sometimes you get sepulchre the first ones and there's four other important bosses besides the end boss
But the race is really all about becoming as powerful as you can for those later bosses
and that involves farming as much gear as you can.
So we see the first few days of the race to world first.
These days are split runs from the race to world first
guilds where they will have 14 characters
and then they'll run the raid on heroic 14 times.
And in fact, kind of more than that
because we'll even enlist the help of helpers
from the community to further increase
the amount of heroics that are run.
And then what we'll do is all the loot
from all of those kills will get traded
onto a few characters and those characters
get the equivalent of like seven weeks worth of Heroic.
You know, if you're just in a regular guild, right,
you get one piece of loot per week,
well, what if you could just get every item
that dropped for you in a raid night?
You'd be like, this is great.
But then everybody else in your raid would be like,
ah, but then what if you just did that enough times
that on your alt runs, you didn't get anything,
but then your main got fully powered, right?
That's the idea behind running all these splits.
And it means that you don't really go into Mythic
until all of that is done
if you are a race to world first guild.
The guilds on the leaderboard
aren't raised to world first guilds right now.
Those are all guilds that are rating, you know,
five hours a night, maybe six days a week, five days a week.
Maybe some of those guilds are even rating less than that.
Some maybe more, but those guilds, I think,
mostly are ones that are rating less than that even.
And the other guilds that raid a lot
that aren't raised to world first guilds
are also doing splits, right?
Fat Shark, yes, instant dollars.
Also are doing this gearing up process
rather than going in on Mythic
because the gearing up is so valuable.
And the thing that is different this tier
is that it's taking longer.
Everybody needs more time because mythic or heroic coiled altar heroic gulatak involve a lot of progression
You have to actually learn and do those fights
You could be like hey, let's just do this on our mains only and you could kill those bosses more quickly and get into mythic more quickly
But then you'd have less loot and then you'd get to a boss that's hard
And you'd have less loot and you'd be like oh, I guess we're waiting till next week now for a lot of guilds
That's that's a very reasonable thing that happens right you get to a boss
You're like, okay, I guess we'll do this next week and everybody's like cool
See you guys next week and if you want to go play some league and you're like, no don't play that game
But I'll play another game with you if you like right
But then in the race world first, that's not that's not an option, right?
We'll wait till next week to do this is like last resort disaster
You're rating 60 hours a day. You've got to find a way to use to use that usefully
so that means getting the full power when available and
That means doing all these splits and waiting to get into mythic and because this tier
has taken more time of splits due to bugs, due to difficulty, due to server instability than usual,
we are in splits for longer. Usually we would have gotten into Mythic yesterday sometime, right?
Sometime on Friday is the average Mythic start time when you have a race that doesn't have a
heroic week, right? There's no week where Mythic is unavailable and you can just gear up.
Usually that ends up being the Friday when we can get in, but this time around it's Saturday
and we still haven't gotten into Mythic and that's why the specter of Mythic splits now hangs over us
as a potential option, which is sort of the corollary to this. We talked about this a little bit
an hour or so ago, but because it's taking so long to get into Mythic, there starts to be this
idea of like, well, we've only got a couple days left in the reset. Why does well get more
powerful? What if instead of doing Mythic progression, we just did the easy bosses on
Mythic, even ones that haven't been killed yet, right? We assume Mythic and Tube Sentinels
is probably not that hard, right?
It's being pulled right now by the guilds
that are choosing to go there
before fully powering up, right?
Before doing heroic Ullitech
and getting all of this power, right?
But we assume Liquid probably could kill that
in a split raid, and then so we could do that.
If there's only two days left in the reset
by the time we zone into Mythic,
you know, that gear might be more valuable
than progressing with full mains.
So that is why we do the splits,
but we're not happy about it.
Do you feel like they're here to stay then?
Yeah, splits are pretty unkillable.
No, no, no, no, no. Myth X splits.
Oh, myth X splits? No, that's...
I hope not.
Myth X splits are something that happens when something weird and wrong is going on.
It's a product of the circumstances of what your time has been spent doing.
So, you know, last year they were simply a product of the fact that the raid flopped
and then the second raid was not released until the week after.
So what are you going to do from Thursday until the next Tuesday?
You know what I mean? You have all these different raids that will go into the Void Spire.
And since it was easy, you might as well farm up the gear from it and you have the time to do so.
Right now we're entertaining the idea of Mythic Splits. Simply as a product of
Splits in general took so long that we don't have as much time until the reset
that we normally would have to progress the really hard bosses and get them down.
So it's like it's an efficient use of time to get a lot of player power by getting
a lot of Mythic gear onto these characters.
Do you feel like...
The race to world first ruins your enjoyment as a player for the rest of the like the season
Like do you play well after the race? I know you guys come back for farm
But I feel like you you're kind of circumventing a lot of the time-gating that a lot of other players have to progress
Yeah, and you're doing it all in basically a week
I think I know there are keys, but yeah
I think it depends on your mentality of like, you know what you enjoy in the game, right?
So anecdotally speaking
from my perspective when I was a Race to World First player,
I enjoyed playing the game immediately after the race was done
because I found the gearing process to be rewarding and fun
itself. Like there's a little dopamine hit of making sure your character is all powerful
and I like the concept of doing farm splits. You know what I mean? I was
what we dubbed him to go the high passion player. You know, you were the backbone
of like what the splits were built off of. It was like he lived saying.
and then you know we'd go in there like raids done sure a little burnt out and
tired from the raid finishing amazing take a couple days off guess what we're
doing 20 keys a day you know like power up the characters so that we have a
backbone for splits to even happen like the characters are strong enough to do
it and we do that cheer and tear out and I found that process a little bit fun
because like you know playing with people who are enthusiastic to do the
same thing as you in that regard kind of motivates you to want to do it
and then also it kind of it is fun gearing up the characters in farm
Even though you know they might be mirror characters and you're collecting the same items that your main already has it feels bad
When you don't have them on certain characters. Yeah, but to an extent that level of character progression and powering up is enjoyable
I know I don't share the same sentiment as a lot of other people within the guild
Like there are a few people within the guild that absolutely hate playing the game the second the race is done
Yeah, and they show up the farm purely out of necessity. Yeah. Yeah, you know
Their characters might be a little bit behind over the farm period like they get fed all the items
over a period of time, they might just like enjoy playing a different game. You know what I mean?
It's totally healthy for them to take a break from something that is so mentally draining over such a long period of time and go enjoy
doing anything else other than this.
So there's just like different mentalities regarding it. Yeah, and some people genuinely just love playing the game no matter
what it is. THD saying, you know, those guys will log on and find an excuse to do anything within the game, trail, notably, you know, like,
Yeah, these guys just love the game for the game's sake and I think they're maybe in a minority within the guild
But yeah, it's like a spectrum you get a varying level of involvement from people after the race is done. That makes sense
Yeah passion can sometimes be like contagious as well or yeah for the lack of passion
Oh, yeah, you know when everybody is like under geared and it's gonna be really hard and nobody wants to play
He's like, okay, let's just log out for this week to a fault though
Yeah, you know what I mean notably when you think of like passionate players that make you excited to play the game
I immediately think of boomy like that guy had it was boomy and it was James when James played
They had such an infectious love for wanting to play the game that it made literally every single person around them want to
Play the game to boomy very very notably that guy came in hot
Then I think now he's like learning the cynicism after having done a few races. I'm like, oh this shit sucks
I mean, yeah, he's still a driving factor of like actually people
feeling like they want to play the game and feeling excited about things. He's a
very very very positive figure like behind the mic at any moment where you
feel like there's some level of praise to be had he's the first one to be doing
it. But again to a fault sometimes you know what I mean I think when our
guilt started to get a large portion of European players they were so
passionate about the game and they might be a contributing factor as to
why we ended up with 20 characters at one point you know what I mean.
They love the game so much and they're so willing to like keep trying and getting better and doing the absolute most the point
We're like all right. Let's just add more characters. All right
Let's just add more characters. All right
Let's just add more characters and you know like they have the willingness to do it and then everybody else is just groaning
You'd be like, ah, dude. What do you mean 14? Ah 16? Ah 20? Come on, right?
So it was a balance you got to try it's a double-edged sword
You don't want to burn out and you you might have not even burn out yourself, right?
But you got to make sure that the least passionate players don't end up burning out
You know getting washed up becoming a cat that kind of thing. Well, my time has come, you know, I mean
I know that in
My own experiences like the times that I look back on when I was truly burnt out from our also times that I felt like I have
Less had less of a social circle. Yeah in the game as well
Because we all know buggy bugging is miserable. I'm gonna get old as miserable not having like an anchor point in
World of Warcraft. I mean obviously it's an MMO. It's the whole point, right?
even at that, at any level, I feel like the social aspect of World of Warcraft is the whole thing.
It's a driving factor of me playing the game. I can't bring myself to pug stuff.
Not even from like a frustration standpoint of like, oh it might not go well, I just have no drive to do it.
Even if I have to. Let's say I need to do my weekly key right, and some necessity.
If I don't have like a group of people I know and I feel like I'm sharing that social bond with them while doing it,
I just straight up won't do it.
Yeah, I think we need to level in somebody else's key that I'll never see again.
That's me, that's me. We need cams or trying to pug it. A key, a 10 yesterday. Nobody wanted us.
We both had twos. Nobody was accepting us.
Yeah, I was in a key group with my guilders, like, we had one, ten, two nines, and two twos.
Oh, right. Burden.
One of the nines was mine. It was because of that Omnium Folio bug where I ended up depleting my key because of the thing where you were just pulling the entire dungeon.
There's a folio depleted it.
Yeah, but the folio...
That's gonna be my excuse now.
Yeah, it's a good excuse if you got a nine in your bag this week and you're like, there's the folio.
Admittedly I have a nine, but it's just because I stepped straight into a ten and didn't even consider getting a ten myself. I'm an 11 key.
Yeah, you gotta start with the 11, but...
It was a nice rough start to I was like oh dude keys first time cool
Let's pop into a plus 10 altar fangs and I've logged into the patch at all
Pulled the first room didn't even know what half of it did it got annihilated. Yeah, like surely
I can pull these two packs together. Oh yeah, maybe maybe that's the universe telling me then that I'm not ready for a tank
Cuz I don't have any I have no well it's that dungeon is just they nerfed it a bit yesterday
Yeah, it's a lot less bad good
a lot of them have really hard hitting the temple temple wiped us on the last boss because on it too
because we weren't absorbing somebody missed the
absorption at the end.
Yeah, that's true.
Two!
That seems insane to me.
They nerfed the...
They gave us a little bit more time on that soak at least
to also this week.
I just feel like it should just maybe hurt you a little bit.
I'd love to keep.
Yeah.
But...
It was funny too because, you know, keys have been a
guinea for a couple seasons now.
Like it's absolutely free.
I don't know what they did.
Tens on the very first day used to be really hard.
Like they would hurt...
Like medium to quite hard to and then there was that one season where they were nuclear, right?
Yeah, or within season one where it was just like doing a plus 10 in those first few weeks was
absurdly tough. I'm thinking dragon flight season one you step in
Yeah, that was it. Knock Hood and then you're getting blasted out of
Yeah, so like these keys required at the very
Beginning like a lot of attention and like some level of effort for you to not actually complete, right?
Yeah, and then for like a couple seasons. They've just been a joke. Yeah, he's an especially yeah
You walk and pull the entire dungeon. It's like, okay, whatever
And then I remember that being the mentality when I step into this ultra fangs
I was like, yeah, I can't be that bad the keys have been easy pulled two packs about one shot and half a second
I was like, okay. All right. I'm missing something here. Like I need to
Then I figured out that the mobs that I were pulling had like a 300% attack speed
So buff on them that I was completely unaware about yeah, and I learned oh, okay. I got a kite
Yeah, there's also a lot more like interrupts. He needs you this season a lot more of those things that you know
You basically got to stop or else it's gonna be a disaster which
Feels a little strange because it feels like they kind of intentionally reduced that last season
Yeah, and now it's like and it's back. Yeah, but then they didn't give healers their interrupt back. Yeah
That's your once again is like if you try to pull if you tried to pull three packs
Together ever you would just never be able to get the kicks in two packs requires everybody to kick
You know, it's it's a paradigm. There's frozen cons to it
But it is like one season since they explicitly were like we're gonna try and make it a little bit less bolt-sloppy
You guys ever do a key with a shadow priest yet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
It trivializes the kick the portion of it those things do freak damage in keys. Okay
Yeah, it's because they're for their kick is on a pretty long screw. They better dude. They're wiping out packs like crazy
I remember I did keys with a hunter group at the beginning love my hunter players
Massive respect to you guys. Well, like, you know things would die at a standard pace
And then I got my next group with what was it arcane mage shadow pre-harp and DH dude
I pulled the entire dungeon it exploded in two seconds
I've done some like the difference
I feel the most is the arcane mage in the group because you just do like the first boss of murder row and it's like
Oh, this was a one phase this time. Uh-huh. That's nice
So I wonder what was different you're like pulling these back to the priority mob
You're like wait, where'd that guy go everything else is still here, but like yeah, I banish it. That's just gone
not bad
All right, so
For anybody wondering what exactly they're doing it looks like it's heroic twin fangs coiled altar splits is what we're watching right now
I was I was catching a little bit of the echo stream earlier before I started my
Shift here, and I saw that echo was doing helpers on heroic coiled altar interesting which
which seems really hard.
I only watched them setting it up.
I didn't actually watch them pull,
so I don't know how many wipes, if any,
that was costing them.
But that seems really bold and impressive
if they're able to make it work.
It'll generate a lot more of that really valuable loot
from this boss.
So I'm curious how this is going to end up working out.
I'm curious if this ends up being a week
where Mythic Splits happens, if it might actually
be worth it to say let's actually do Splits a little
bit more slowly and do more Helper Splits, right?
get even more heroic loot generated.
Cause you know, we're doing 14 characters in here.
If we could get helpers in,
we'd sort of effectively be doing 28.
Did you see how many helpers they brought into CoD also?
It looks like, you know, 10 to 15.
So, able to do the, like a double simultaneous run of it.
EU master race of the players.
Yeah, I don't know.
I was looking at it as like, I don't,
I don't know how you do the DPS check
on this boss with helpers, but if they're,
I guess if you just got some crazy helpers,
you can make it happen.
I think you can make the DPS check pretty manageable
As long as you don't have people die, I think that's really the big portion and the point
of failure of it.
It's not necessarily that there's like a super, super tight DPS check in terms of meeting
the rage on Heroic.
It's just that things could go so wrong.
And so quickly, too.
And we're able to get the helpers all Ventist, which does help to the Ventus Room.
It's a nice way to get over the finish line.
This is a huge boss for them to be able to sneak out more splits on it.
If you can get every single item that you want off this boss onto your plate
and then Agi people, it's a massive, massive deal.
It's funny, because like,
full attack, everybody has good items from.
Yeah. Coiled ulter, it's like,
there are some people that are like,
there are no good items for me for this boss.
And then there's some people who are like,
my three best and slot items come from this boss.
Yeah, I'm looking at a loot table of five items
and three of them are never getting taken off
no matter what. Yeah.
It's a strange texture of loot this tier.
And then there's just no items
from any other boss or dungeon.
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And we are currently once again doing splits
Shug it along here
But the finish line is inside the finish line is inside. Can we say that yet?
No, we can we can say that I
That says they can I don't want to falsely attribute a number. So I'm just gonna loosely
give some guidelines of what I think is there based off of what I heard and
breakfast this morning. They said like five or less is what is remaining in
terms of not only these last three on heroic but like the little techs that
they need to do. So you know I doubt it's gonna take them really that much
time. I could see a world in which by lunch we are done with heroic spirits.
or shortly thereafter, not very much long after.
So not to feed too much hope, you know, but we are approaching the finish line in terms
of what liquid is playing in for Hero Explodes.
Yeah, the Hero Explodes, the finish line of Hero Explodes, not the finish line of starting
Mythic Progression unfortunately is, I'm sure there will be more to do after the
Hero Explodes.
I'm almost certain that the second that Hero Explodes are done, they're going to
go into a segment of Mythic Plus section.
And really spend an extended period of time making sure that they have at least a good framework of mythic plus gear
So that all their gear can get upgraded for free
They might not do all of the mythic plus that they're gonna do in the week
I imagine it'll be like a segmented couple of hours, right? You sort of get a priority list. Yeah. Yeah, here's your biggest upgrade
Here's your second biggest upgrade. Yeah, like just go down that list as much as you can
Yeah, the items themselves from mythic plus are really really not important
They don't care for them particularly, like at most people might want specific pieces of gear to catalyze since the catalysts...
Yeah, the status allocation of some items.
Yeah, like their tier doesn't have the best stats on it right now, but since they have the four-piece, they have unlocked the ability to farm catalyst charges.
And the catalyst now preserves the stats and effects of gear that you put into it.
So, you know, you might have a piece that's crit mastery under shoulders or something like that and your real best stats are maybe hastemaster.
go find a mythic plus ace mastery set of shoulders catalyze it now you have more
ideal stats which makes your character a little bit stronger they might be looking
for that at like most out of these mythic pluses like those are like the
things that they actually want jewelry pieces notably you know that have good
stats on them but they're not looking at trinkets and being like who I want to
trinket from the mythic plus those things are all there's like two that you might
ever want right and master just never ever consideration which it's tough it's
a very strange tier in terms of the trinkets because almost all of them
you just look at them you're like no I don't want that yeah and then you kind of
like you've got you've gone through the whole list and it's like well okay I
guess I'm gonna have to wear something I don't want to wear yeah so they'll
probably do like a extended mythic plus section for a bit chase after those
items and then reevaluate based on like how efficient people have been and
being like okay well let's just step in a mythic at this point you know what I
mean and then see whether or not they'll probably have an extended
conversation during this time while they're in mythic plus between
leadership and like are we gonna commit to mythic splits like are we not
going to commit significant splits, have any of the guilds gotten anywhere notable on these
bosses and you know can we get a preview, watch some of their boss and see how doable
these bosses might seem to be. You know right now notably XD I believe has Cizerak available.
They have killed the Turtles which means they can go pull Cizerak which is going to
be the boss if any that kind of dictates the difficulty of what they're expecting
in the raid, I think.
If there's going to be a boss that might prove a challenge,
their first real challenge, it's that one.
So, you know, there might be a little mini-game of like,
hey, XT, how you guys doing?
You mind if you go Pulse as Rec for like five pulls
real quick, give us a little sneak peek at that one,
see if we wanna do that or not.
And if it seems ridiculous and the numbers seem ridiculous,
then they might opt into mid-explots instead.
That's something we really haven't mentioned yet
this morning is like, sometimes they are,
like you mentioned, taking information from these,
because I remember doing Stepple for that was a big one.
Like somebody was messaging, I think, dino nuggies.
It was like the first guild that pulled.
Yeah, getting that information on these bosses.
It's often something that Liquid have to do
with like the mid to late bosses,
but sometimes the mid and early bosses,
you can get information from other guilds
of what they look like.
But yeah, there's always been this thing as well
of like going into mythic and like slash targeting
as many of the bosses as you're able to
to see what health pools look like, right?
and then pulling them once to just see as many mechanics as you can
and get some damage numbers so you can see what those look like.
Yeah.
Anybody from XD streamed in?
I believe they have some people streaming.
Yeah, they don't.
Day Raid, I don't think.
So they wouldn't be in there right now.
Yeah.
Somebody was asking earlier.
The big concern for Cizerac specifically
is, one, there's going to be an element of some sort
of damage check.
We're expecting that out of a single target boss.
You're going to need damage optimization.
You're going to need classes that
are specifically good at that kind of damage profile.
But more importantly, in terms of doable-ness,
it's the damage values that you're taking.
I heard a couple of the players a little bit concerned,
reading the dungeon journal, reading the data-mined values
of how hard things are hitting on that fight.
It's like, are we just going to get one shot?
You know what I mean?
And if we aren't going to get one shot,
we get really close.
How hard is that going to be for us?
Is that going to extend our amount of time
that we're going to need on progression for that boss?
And if they view a pull from, let's say,
XD pulling that and they're just getting annihilated from the damage intake.
They might leverage to choose to do mythic splits instead because they know
that it's going to take some time learning how to survive that fight.
Right. It's a it would be very valuable information to have because again it's
it's a scary commitment either way right either committing to doing or not
doing mythic splits. Liquid will have to make that decision first right
before echo or method will have to just because we've got that
disadvantage of starting earlier right so we have to decide earlier what we're
gonna do. Yeah and it's also twice as scary because once you have made the
decision there's no going back on it. Like you have put mains in a separate
group and screwed their lockout and effectively removed yourself from the
option of doing other mythic bosses. So it's something that they have to go all
in on. So before they make that decision it's probably gonna be a very
very informed one that they make. Yeah there there was some discussion of
mythic splits of Nymrissa, but I think that is off the table in terms of like,
it just seems like it would need to be really easy to be one wing and it's not
that easy. What pieces are on Nymrissa that would shrink it? There's a really good
intricate, the tide stone I think it's called, and there's a haste vs. ring
which for the most part not many people want, but again jewelry is not
even like from a stat perspective it's not necessarily the biggest deal that
It has bad stats.
It just gives you free full Hero Track Upgrades.
So the items drop one out of six myth, which by itself is not really all that thrilling,
but it does give you the option to save your Heroic Crests, which is a big deal.
When you're in week one, it's more of a big deal honestly in week one than it is week
two.
Week two, you get additional 100 Heroic Crests, so you have the availability to upgrade
your gear a little bit further.
If you're able to save some Heroic Crests on week one, that means that you are guaranteed
to upgrade all of your items that are in Hero Track to Max Track by week two.
So it's more so just not necessarily like, oh, this item's really, really good and I
want it as a mainstay.
It's like I can equip it and I save some crests.
But yeah, that payoff is a lot smaller than, say, Chimeris was last year.
Yeah.
Hey, this has to your chest, mythic and best in slot.
Drink it for everybody.
So let's split this thing as much as we can.
It's like, hey, if it made sense, like if this thing was easy and one-shotable
And you know we could do it in a couple hours. Yes. Yeah, but it seems like Nemrissa is not that it seems like Nemrissa is
Something that is probably more effort than it is worth to to go and kill
I actually wouldn't be surprised if mythic Nemrissa might be the one of the later bosses to die this year
I would not be shocked either. I think that's like a
Afterthought kind of yeah, it's cuz like maybe you like get to coil the alternate. You're like, let's go killer
Yeah, exactly like and it's not that you it's not that it's harder or easier
It's not that it's harder than twin bangs necessarily. It's like it's much less worth
Yeah, and yeah, you wing down the raid you have to kill it in order to secure the world first all the bosses have to die
Well, that's an interesting question because like everybody's doing out of eight, right? It's the venomous abyss
I bet if you got a out of eight, I don't know
It's it's an interesting question doesn't risk a count well the world first this tier you get in like a kind of weird spot
Remember in high-mall when people yeah, those butcher count but you're yeah, but that was inside the raid
It was in a different raid. Yeah, I don't know how technical do you want to get I I include it? I hope I just hope that
There's a different guild that wins by each metric and then we can have
That'll be so fun. Yeah, this is so off-topic
But I love that every one of hopefuls characters is like something full like redeemful happy full humble
And then one of his mages is lil truck. Yeah
That's I'm I am gonna make up that that she keeps influence. Yeah getting to him
Yeah, let's be creative this year if anything I wouldn't be surprised if Shaq got on his computer and made that one
Oh, yeah, I could see it. Yeah
Yeah, of course hopeful famous for some accounts here sharing so I would rise if that had happened when it be beyond
He's also got cowboy Sam. That's and bus driver Gus. Oh, well, okay. Yeah, yeah bus driver Gus is like an infamous one
What's that? What's the?
What are the the accolades for?
Uh, Gus was his main for a little bit. I see. Um, so you know, we would always say like he's driving the bus
And then when he was in the keys and with me and he died, he's like buses crashed
Did you think your bus driver?
Did I think my bus driver? Yeah, actually yes when he was in our splits. He's like don't forget to thank your bus driver
Yeah
Okay, yeah, bus driver Gus is a
Iconic character that that is very chickey, but coded
Mm-hmm. Do you think it was that that was intentional or that's just oh Gus Gus came from people's heart. Yeah, okay for sure
That's that's that's within him. I like that. Yeah, not all the names are you know necessarily shack adjacent
Yeah, yeah for a while. I had a pretty big influence on the character names within the guild
You can spot them out and see which ones they are all the dumpies. That was my doing. Okay. Yeah
I'm trying to think what else lip has some ridiculous ones that seem like they may have been influenced by you. Oh, yeah, I've
I've corrupted lip-spray. I think I
I think he's gotten significantly more, he's always had the potential for brain rot, but I think I probably amplified, like a subwoofer, you know what I mean?
I really amplified the brain rot within him. He's been irreversibly changed for the worst. Thanks to my doing.
I mean, he did start, he's always been very shy, and he did start actually talking to me last season.
Was that also your influence?
No, I think he just has a social capacity.
Yeah, yeah, he's coming into himself. He's always been he's like he's not necessarily shy. He's just soft-spoken. Yeah
Yeah, I'm not shy. Yeah, he's very quite comfortable within himself and a very confident person within himself
Yeah, I mean he's never had any reason to not be he's the he's our put the foot down guy
You know, yeah, if there's ever any major decision like let's say, you know, you're pulling heroic boss with helpers
Yeah, it's taking a few pulls take cold altar for example, right and
You want to kill the boss, but at a certain point, you're also recognizing that it's not
as efficient as you want.
Somebody needs to put their foot down and be like, this isn't worth it.
Lips to put the foot down guy.
You hear a lip say, he'll give you a count basically.
You'll give a warning, I've got my eye on this, or something along those lines.
That's when you know he's paying attention to it.
And then about one pull away from me, he goes, I'm about to put my foot down,
and then the foot comes down, and then you're leaving.
He's like that about every major decision that comes to a point of frustration. He's like the frustration
Vibe police the frustration vibe police. Yeah, and everyone respects it. Yeah, when he puts his foot down
Oh that foot is down. Oh, no, okay
And cuz you know when lips when lips foot is down. It's serious. Well, what is that quote? I don't know what it
I think it's Shakespeare. It's like there's there's three things a wise man fears
And one of them is, uh...
He's just walked right back.
I go.
Lip, I love you.
Well, I've done a wall down the top.
He's done his wall in the top.
Dang it.
Yeah, no, he's on a mission.
Listen, we didn't see the front of him, but he was smiling.
Oh, was he?
Okay, good, good, good, good.
That's my twin.
We love you, Lip.
All right, well, we're going to head into this ULTEC pull with a Monster Energy Listen In.
I'm gonna wake up till I see if we're fresh today so I was like what the fuck is wrong
Oh good Nick. I mean we need those days for you Nick.
Nick showed me his sleep stats like this was like three years ago or something for the
last six months before we did progression and he averaged like 11 hours and 45 minutes
and sleep at night.
I don't even know how that's possible by the way.
I actually do, if I could sleep 10 hours at night I have the time to and I would do that
like outside of the race but I actually can't.
I just wake up.
I would never admit I got the vaccine bro, it's a legit embarrassing thing to think about
I did my own research afterwards, basically.
Who's healing by the way?
The Sinyin and Tabor are both on DPS.
You saying?
Yes, I'm going to go this way.
I did my research a bit.
Did you on the 7-Hail?
Yeah, left can go.
I'm going to put it up in the lower right corner, I'm going to try to get the wrong guy
Yes, I don't think I've been
It could be a good, just having a heal
Yeah
Who else would have to heal?
I don't care
Yeah, I'm going to heal
I've got a good chuckle out me mate.
Thanks man.
Take your time.
Go check your gears, you'll be done in a little bit.
It's not easy for me, it's just popular.
I will rally and permission. Good luck, O.
I'm sure it falls down.
Azurnak go saying to stop pulling early, that includes running into eggs.
Probably okay.
So if you don't pop these eggs on like the upcoming soaps, when do they pop?
Do you know?
Can you hold them?
You can hold them I think forever.
I'm pretty sure I carried an egg from this until I got hit in the cauldron.
Wait, really?
You gotta fake a gate or be able to skip the drinks.
Yeah, you have to be able to skip the drinks.
But if you go across, yeah, you can dunk in the cauldron.
So, it's grouping only, sorry.
Can you read me when you get a good globe look?
You mean last phase?
Thank you.
No, no, no.
my friends are better than you
preferable if you say no sir when you're talking to him
yeah
that's enough so hard when you got the no sir
oh you don't think it's a bit entitled
it's just a bit of businessy
don't do that in business bro the fuck
I bet we shelf you mate. We'll shelf you until the new quarter, like...
Yeah.
I'm gonna put the fuck up in the fucking idea of fridge with nibble on them later.
Yeah, that's my big bone run up.
Bring that up in the next update report.
Wait, wait, wait. Focus, focus.
Can't work.
I think we need to sink on mage.
You have time to do.
I got...
I got pushed back by me.
Thanks.
For you.
Hold on.
you really do that for me pick up an egg I don't want to but I kind of wanted that one
city
we've seen that
they're right
going right
I don't know how to deal
and we're going left
and then we're going back to the tentacles to do the soaks
oh this is the big way timer still hasn't changed right
We have to back down.
Kill the bad enemy.
By Percy here, yep. Two big hits.
Nice boss for Amp.
Hot.
Bro, you get a crazy warning when you're targeting the guy.
But I literally need to target Gula Tech sometimes, like this is my fault.
take
Wrong target just on my screen. How many you're walking?
Am I going this side? Yeah, well one two three
What's up
Nope, if I did we'd be chunked
I'm not resting here because this is...
Oh I don't have the second studio...
Oh I didn't get like a live...
You do a bigger part of it?
Oh no it's just the way it's supposed to be.
Hold on, can I actually do this in time?
Might be beast mode?
I did, okay. I can see everything.
I think.
Bit soon.
One more warden's way higher.
Okay, uh, KSP Trill Break.
We only did a one stack, we did not break KSP, oh ok, we'll do Exile and Wall Life in
5 seconds, Exile and Wall Life now, personal if you didn't before with the weird thing,
Dronacko and Hopeful you're both going to be late, we're going to do one stacks only
though, Dronacko first, go now, I'm going to chill out for this, just have a little
sketch in the moment. Yeah, I feel bigger bags on this side.
Hold full, wait a second, just go.
Big big big, so I'll get it.
In the middle, meet in the middle, call the rescues if needed.
There's no rescue zone, so I'm just gonna jump in and jump across.
No, just preach to go over and grip him.
Just do whatever.
That's the OG rescue. Never forget.
Never forget. It's just you have to imagine
I was under the ground and Riven script me through the floor and save the pool
Did you do the same thing I did CDs I'm thinking what do you mean you search 30 seconds ago? No
Oh
No, that was an accident, but what did you do?
You're just so spend a dimension
You're muted for a bit by the way scroll. Yeah, I'm sure if you normally double top
Yeah
Every seven healing. Yep
Okay, this is a lock-in moment
I was told to heal the boss insane healthy right now the boss is
It's literally 6% higher than normal, very looking very amazing.
Probably we're down to 6% on May.
It's official bug.
Yeah.
Actual locking though.
I think that was hope's fault.
You can't speak.
He just did.
And I'm happy you did.
Love hearing it.
Okay.
This is a 1, 2, 3, orange.
4, 5, 6, triangle.
1, 2, 3, square.
Or wrong 456 square 456 square one two three's moon 456 is skull
At least we'll be healthy, but I don't know if we have the damage to kill this guy, but we'll find out
And at the spawn I'm done poison well someone is missing from the roster here
Okay, your red circle thing, it will assign you to a soak, you always follow it.
It's going to be the same the whole phase, it's not dynamic, right melee yet.
Red soaks in 5, look at your groups, look at your groups, be pre-stacked with your
group.
will spawn during this you might have to sidestep look at the green circle in two
one look at it now on the rehealers on the healers good finish eggs here
spreading in three one spread yeah we'll have to look at that right right yeah
Yeah, good news is we're overindexed on healers.
Watch waves.
Getting a bad edge.
Yeah.
Okay, kill the bad ad platform break, big AWE in 5, 4, 3, 2, AMZ shine, 1.
Reswolf.
Reswolf.
I'm dead.
I too.
You can't rez, Zevi, don't try to take it.
Okay, eggs here.
range back and left and then red soak positions
a range look at your markers look at your markers
dealers like make sure you lock in on that we had someone die last time
Here are six people on this side.
Can we just go up here one more?
No, you can't add people after they get a double stack.
Watch waves, watch waves, dodge waves together.
Maybe this should ground me if you want.
Watch from behind you.
Spread out, the healer's gonna die.
Just spread here, this is wombo combo.
We have two reses, get up goop and lip.
We're pretty dead I think.
The bosses are pretty good.
Yeah. Alright, so we have to fix something about this group. Even adding a healer would not be enough, or removing a healer would not even be enough damage.
No, it won't.
Oh, well.
I feel like that two healers that are like DPS that are healing would normally do a lot of damage, so...
Well, we can't fight, I feel, right? So, let's see.
Oh, I am.
Yeah, I think Saint goes back to PS and maybe we.
Come back from that monster energy listening. We just saw a wipe on Uletek, which I mean
at this point in the race, it's kind of weird historically, but considering the difficulty
of this boss. Yeah, yeah, also not surprising.
It's funny because it's like they've all killed it before, but the split still needs to be really strong to be able to do it.
So we heard there's some discussion like, okay, we're missing this check actually by quite a bit.
Even dropping a healer is not going to be enough to make the damage check on the boss.
So going to have to swap around characters.
One thing we saw them do yesterday was have a main that was already saved in to help the splits.
Yeah, Wolf Disco's a warrior.
That meant that they only had 29 unsaved characters,
which means there was a 20% chance of losing an item
from each of those kills as a result,
but it made it a lot easier to make that damage check.
I think today they're trying to do it
with 30 unsaved characters, of course, for more loot,
more optimal, but that might be something
that they have to consider pulling the trigger
on doing once again.
Yeah, difficult scenario that they're in right now
because the two people that they would want to DPS
that are on good classes for the boss
are currently healing.
Right, you know, Sang would do a bunch of damage on this boss and you heard him say,
you know,
I would do a lot of damage, but I'm stuck healing right now, but this is such a healing
intensive
boss, the point where they can't really sacrifice that.
It looks like they did just swap him to Dev.
Yeah, so they might be doing a little shuffle, somebody else might be healing
instead. I can't imagine they would underheal by any stretch of their imagination.
Yeah, I think
seven and six are both numbers of healers that they played with on this fight.
Thank you for reversing the order.
they were on 7 and now it looks like they've gone down to 6, but going to 5 would be really
tough because you'd only have 2 on each side, or 2 on one of the sides, and that is pretty
prohibitive given how much healing there is to do there.
They also could have gone from six to seven.
So, oh, sorry.
I think I upset him.
All right.
Well, tell a GG slash donate.
We're almost at $15,000.
Your donations are still being matched as well.
And that means that we are closer than it looks.
So if you'd like to see the next donation incentive,
are you smarter than a fifth grader,
we can maybe do it by the end of this casting block
and then make the next group of casters do the quiz.
Oh boy.
So that would be tremendous timing.
I'm not sure who's next.
Are you next?
I don't believe so, no.
Oh, OK.
I don't know.
I'll break.
I think it might be like me, Zyro Teddles, something like that.
Stratocetizen Zyro.
Yeah, I remember Zyro said that he is interested in doing
the Are You Smarter Than a Fifth?
Well, yeah, because he wants to show off his mathlete skills.
But I think that's reasonable.
But something else we can take a look at,
because you guys have been sending in your donations
for your pet pics, $30, and we can look at your pic.
I also want to give a quick mention.
I don't know what's going on with Imdre
if they changed something,
but I'm getting a lot of like gallery links for Imdre
that just redirect to the main page.
So if you're gonna send an Imdre,
make sure that you're doing it correctly
because I think that's happening a lot.
Not sure why, but here is Luna.
Aw.
On her little pink blankie.
We got more cats.
Yeah, more business casual cats.
Oh, this is just for me.
I don't know what this means, but I'm very excited.
I feel so honored.
I like that she's got a little bit of a feeling.
Because I mentioned wanting a tuxedo kitty yesterday.
I see.
So this was sent in for me.
Oh, my gosh, I'm so honored.
Thank you for showing me Luna.
Wow.
I do love tuxedo kitties.
Do they have any personality traits
that people attribute to them?
I know that cats do that.
You know, like orange cats have the stupid stereo.
Yeah, yeah.
The helicocats are spicy.
What's the tuxedo cat stereotype?
I'm not sure. I'm not cat initiated that deeply.
They're just posh.
Someone says they are fancy.
They're fancy?
Someone says they are sweet babies.
I think that's all cats, so...
Somebody asked why he looks like he's judging me.
That's a cat thing. They do that.
It's not necessarily a judgmental look.
You know, more so than...
I think that this is one second after somebody said,
Yeah, and to get it to like look over, you know, yeah, it's like why are you calling my name? Yeah, like here
Let me be a little diva give you over to the shoulder look. It's like a what?
So you say you're not cat initiated initiated, but you but you like cats you I do like that
So specifically I had a deep deep deep deep phobia of cats for almost my entire adult life
Did you get attacked by one or something with one of your curses? No
But my friend did I went over to his house to watch you go and he was unaware of his cat sleeping on his lap
We both jumped up and screamed at what was happening on the screen yeah, and the cat dug its nails in from his wrist and ripped up to his shoulder
Yeah, so just blood everywhere. Oh my gosh. It's an area. I got hooked under there. Yeah, ooh rip then you get deep
Yeah, so it was really really gross, and then I was deeply terrified of cats
I got really anxious whenever they went around like my neck or okay
And the thing about cats is they can sense that and they will yeah, really then sit up magnetized
Yeah, yeah. Luna would never do that. My collard roommate had a cat, you know, so.
Okay, head over a little bit. No, that cat was the devil. It would come and
nip your ankles and scratch you and run away. It knew what every single person in the household
hated and would do that to entertain itself. That's... And I was usually the first one awake,
so it would come and just scratch my ankles when I was cooking breakfast. Okay.
So, yeah, you know, classic Atlas story, just the deep fear of cats from the horrible
life circumstance. But, then I dated this woman who
who had a cat and very early on in a stating she was like I got a surprise
and come over and you'll find out I was like oh my god how exciting this is so
fun can't wait to see what it is and she's like notice anything different
about my room and then I was looking around and you know there's like cat
toys sprinkled around and all the stuff but her roommate had a cat so I was
like yeah now you're playing with Jerry for like a little bit you got her new
toys or something she's like not quite look under the bed and there's this
tiny little orange cat and I remember I looked straight at it and the words
that came out of my mouth was this is the worst possible outcome to her having
the size but that cat single-handedly fixed me like it was the most adorable
sweet cat it just cuddled 24 her name was recessive gene because it was a female
orange cat it is attributed to having a recessive gene but her name was genie
that's really cute yeah she's a sweetheart I have the opposite story
kind of with my boyfriend. He hates cats or sorry dogs big cat person was never a
dog person. I brought home a puppy and the first thing he said to the puppy was
why are you so ugly but another besties are probably cuddling right now
watching the race first. Yeah now he's a big dog person also. I feel like most
men are usually the people that say oh I'd hate to have that and then the
ones who love the deepest. Yeah, absolutely. Like one week is
having the animal. It's like, it's everable. Yeah. He is a
seven pound toy poodle and he is a mama bear for that. Oh,
there's Jeannie. Yeah. She's she's got a crazy sassy look on
that one. Yeah. What a cute. This was apparently at a time
where she was cuddling up with her and then pushed her to
the side and said like I need a little personal space and
Jeannie is a very, very sassy cat. She's very
spiteful and very sassy. So she's like oh, you don't want
cuddle me fine I'm gonna go cuddle the wall. Oh my goodness. Wow she's got her own
merch line as well. Oh yeah we're gonna get a collab going with the next
world first apparel. Love the RBF too. Oh she's purring while making that thing.
She's the sweetest cat of all time. Like she does not know how to bite or
scratch. She just comes and cuddles. She loves like being a little scarf cat and
being around your neck. Yeah yeah. She loves a crevice. She's a goofy one.
Yeah, she's got the orange cat, you know
Snake surprisingly long. Yeah. Wow. She does the thing where she sees a crevice
She just like slams her head in it and then fully dives in. Oh, we call that spelunking in my household
Really? Yeah a word for it. Okay. Yeah, perfect. It's very apt sort of a description for it for sure
But it just it's bizarre
She'll see like a crevice like in a bed crack or something and you'll see the thought enter her mind
And then she just full dives with her head in it and then just my god
That is
Wow, she's a cutie pie.
Wow, I'm getting to get their own little slide show.
How sweet.
Did she like, I feel like cats always like the,
we call it the magic triangle.
If you're sitting like this on the couch,
they want to sit right here in between your legs.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
So cute.
Now just kidding, she's a cutie pie.
My boyfriend is in chat saying one of our cats is in jail.
Oh.
And then he's, oh, he is a mega criminal.
What do you do?
So, so, so we have a little treat jar
that we put in one of our cats thing is is he's a criminal. I call him a criminal um and he just
he's always getting into mischief and doing these he shouldn't he knocked over the treat jar that
was glass that normally isn't a cabinet it must have gotten a lot better something um and it
cracked all over the floor and then uh he was freaking out last night thinking that they ate
a bunch of treats with glass in it so yeah there was a bunch of glass and treats and vomit
last night but they're okay for now don't worry okay we're keeping an eye on them okay did we
We just got a 250 donation from an anonymous viewer, but it's time for the Wheel of Chaos.
Oh boy.
Alright.
Frank, would you like to do the honors?
He's away now.
Oh, sorry.
Frank brought it over.
Yeah.
Frank brought it over, but Travis wants to spin it.
That's the worst thing anybody's ever called me by the way is, Frank.
I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
I had him my eyes on.
Yeah, he loves that right now.
He's giving people, oh he just flipped us off.
Oh no.
No! That was- Oh my gosh!
Oh my goodness!
Just keeps hitting it. Alright.
Here we go. Ready?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do it, do it, do it.
Let's get something fun!
Let's get a game!
That's so fun!
And...
Oh, so close to spinning it again.
Quick maps!
Okay.
Not it.
What are we going to do?
Okay. 44 times 12.
That's bad. No, she's funny.
All right, so it's 440 plus 440.
Are you trying to do it if you put down that board with me?
Five. Oh, yeah. Okay. Let me show you.
Five. And then there's a, so it's basically plus 88 on 440, right?
So 528. Okay.
So how do I do a two upside down?
Is this the way you make a two?
No?
I'm fascinated by how your mind works.
Two. And now I've got to make an eight upside down.
That's easier because it's the same shape.
Sironic guardians in the chat there did you do it 528? That's my answer
With one second to spare how we do how we're feeling
Yeah, that's a two by the way. This is a two. It's uh, you might not like it, but that's a two you did it correct answer
Ruff thumbs up. We did it. All right. Nice. Okay done
All right for $250 you can make us spin that again, and there's all kinds of fun. You can get thank you
Frank all kinds of exciting results from the yeah
chaos he put that board down with spite yeah he did he was he was hoping to get
me he thought he got your real bad with that one and yet you have conquered them
yet again yeah nicely don't he G oh now I got he did get me in the end though
because now I've got green chalk on my on my fingies hmm I'm glad I haven't
very impressive that was impressive yeah it's okay it's good 44 times 12 right so
you just do 440 is the 10 yeah and then you have two times 44 yeah I
always do it that way always always fun to see how different people do
numbers in their head everybody's got a different process I would I would have
written it down and done the like yeah I don't even know if I remember how to do
that quick math question for you is that the transitive property or the
communicative property or the I don't remember the third one you know what I'm
going for I know the transitive property the problem is I've used it so
much as a meme in my in my field comms where it's like you just kind of use
that as like a explanation for like anytime something transfers in any way
to anything else. So I don't actually know what it is anymore. Yeah, but are you smarter
than the fifth grader section? Yeah, we're going to get on there. I'm excited. I'm excited.
So if you'd like to see us get there, get to teal.gg slash donate. We're going to be
taking a look at your pet pictures as well. I think we've got a few more coming in, but
in the meantime, we're still progressing through these will attack splits at the
moment. A little bit more smooth as well than we've seen previously. This one's
going pretty nicely. Hopefully I don't cast it first.
Yeah, we may have a new comp here a little bit.
Oh yeah, they were adjusting a little bit. So Sang moved to Dev. Sang's on Dev.
Yeah, and he is top of the meters right now. Going crazy on the meets. Yeah, Dev
has a really nice...you can basically mass disintegrate anything in front of you
and it's very easy on this fight. Like, look at the way he's positioning right now. He's able to mass disintegrate
both of these targets by standing right there and aiming in that direction.
I think it's one of the most fun interactions they've ever put on a class in the game.
Watching these guys hit the perfect angle on it.
I remember when we were doing, what was it, heroic Intune Sentinels.
We had our devs stay in the middle and somehow find an angle to hit the two adds that are 40 yards apart.
Yeah, it's impressive. You can do it on Twin Fangs as well.
You can get like the adds and the bosses.
Yeah, it's a fun little mini-game to try and find little angles for you to make it work.
Yeah, and because of the size of the hitbox,
I think you can get the fire breath on both of them as well,
if you're able to position it correctly.
So saying absolutely min-maxing all of that while carrying this egg and dodging all of the waves too
So not an easy feat. Oh, I say that and I immediately curse them and we spawn one of the vipers
That is the bad ad and that means they are gonna have a little bit more pain to contend with but just one of them
Not the end of the world
They're able to get it under the boss and hopefully cleaned up without any deaths resulting at least but
That is a that is the danger of course whenever you're carrying one of those eggs if you get hit by anything
That can happen. We're into the venomous heart burn here. This is the first one of the fight
This is the one they already they already lasted like 20 seconds ago
And it'll cover the end of this and everybody making sure to be able to send their cooldowns into this very important
Stop to my damage inside the three venomous heart windows of the fight this time around
They're able to get the boss that 55% on the boss. Yeah, pretty good. That's the range that we're looking for
That's a good push so real sleeper pick on the meters by the way that is just
Granted, a lot of that damage is probably complete ad slop, killing off the small adds that don't necessarily matter,
but you know, on a fight where they do matter, think of this boss on Mythic, where those adds do have to die in a set amount of time,
otherwise they overwhelm the tank, you're going to want a class that actually does something substantial to them,
and Windwalker looks like it's doing a hell of a lot of damage.
Is that what Charles is going to be playing?
Yeah, it's almost...
...probably Windwalker.
...surely, yeah, he's pretty much locked in on the Windwalker every single time.
You know, he has the flexibility to play other things for sure,
But you want to win Walker player and notably the people who did play when Walker prior to just it being trill was boomy
Who's now swapped the healer and Zevi who plays when Walker?
Randomly while he is healing and smack to plays when Walker when he is healing
Remember liberation of undermine all the yeah, that's randomly swapped it when Walker for fun because it was so beat dude
That's your head so many healers swapping to DPS because you also had the like rest of your it's playing moonkin and
Holy free-sling shadow on the various fights to one arm banded stick
I'm trying to think if there's a single healer on the roster that did not play DPS on a boss
I remember Nick played boomkin. Yeah, that'd be played when Walker smack played when Walker
Triney
Yeah, there's right. Yeah, I think trying to play right for the splits, but not necessarily any of the mythic bosses
I swore he did for a mythic boss. I think we we thought about it
Okay, maybe maybe it was like a couple of holes
There's heavily considered and you played it for a couple pulls. Yeah, and then we're like, yeah, all right, try and sir
Well, you're saying practically, let's save your ret dreams for yeah practice. We're talking about just liberation on your mind. Yeah
Yeah, he has certain. Oh, yeah. Yeah
I'm trying to think did the priest play shadow on bandit?
Oh, I think priest was a mainstay. So that one's kind of hard to swap. I see I think that might have been the only one
Yeah, and my guild we had a holy pre or healer priest playing shadow on that fight
We're here to get out of fight also a product of a Zevi accidentally crafted an agile. Yeah, yeah
It wasn't it wasn't like an intentional choice of being like alright, Zevi
Let's get you on Windwalker right now. It's like oh he crafted the wrong weapon sent all of his sparks
Oh, no, the wrong thing. Well might as well get good use out of it. I
Got our next burn here. How low can we get the boss?
This is the last burn before we're then gonna have the intermission thing and then the last phase
boss down sub 40% out of this burn is good certainly in range for a kill this
time around. Yeah sub 40 is ideally the threshold at which you want to get it
you're aiming for about 8-ish percent per platform that she breaks when you get
the burn at the end in execute and that's your deadline to have the boss
dead by so it looks like it's killable granted the last phase again is a
huge coordination check the soaks the red circles that go out on people
require a certain amount of players to be able to soak them and the spread damage
that follows afterwards is a very very scary overlap of raid damage. When the
platforms break you'll have these big ads that come out that put a stacking
dot on the raid and once we get to about three of those ads being out on the
last platform it is super super scary for the raid. Yeah it's a very very
dangerous phase and it is about to start right now. The boss emerging from
middle breaking it up. There's such a cinematic start to the phase. I think one thing they knocked
out of the park this year is this fight's visuals, the stunning nature especially of this last phase.
Cannot wait to see what it is like on Mythic, but long time to go before we get to see
anything on Mythic I fear. Yeah it's a far way away. We've got our aspiration set on the
the potential of mythic splits instead. I hope we're wrong about that. I hope it's a
but I fear we're right. Well I'm excited about the prospect of you know mythic
tortolins for the fifth time. Oh wow that is something.
Something good but it's something. Surprisingly that boss considering it
it's like a bit boss you know what I mean yeah they got the fish bit they've
got a goofy little it's whimsy you know it's very whimsical fight it it is fun
yeah it's a fun little mini-game you know it's stacking them up and leaving them
down what's the mythic mechanic on tortollans it's like a few so notably the
boxes that you have to soak in order to find the fish on heroic and normal just
puts a bleed on you when you pop it on mythic the second you soak a single
box it puts that bleed on everyone an entire rate so you cannot just plow
through all the boxes. You have to sequentially pop them and wait for the dot to fall off.
Whether or not it's a strategic advantage to do a bunch of stacks at once versus just like
a couple periodically, that's going to be seen by what liquid to decide to opt into.
But that's the main notable one. Finding the fish is a little bit harder. So can the boxes
a little bit harder? You need to be more coordinated. And then secondly, during the ultimate
where you step on the mushroom and bounce over the fire wave, instead of there being multiple
mushrooms there's just a singular mushroom now. So everybody in the raid has to sync up going over the
firewave, which really is non-consequential. It's not that big of a deal. You just have
somebody camp down, you all stay next to the one mushroom. Yeah, anybody who's done Anzurek,
right? It's a very chill version of the Anzurek, you know, popping jump thing.
Yeah, so. Crazy amount of damage from that tail slams. Oh my god. Absolutely. Three people die
right now in the road. It's an overlap, right? The wombo combo with green circles
is what they've been calling that. Yeah, you have green circles plus the dot from the big ad,
which that dot hurts like really, really, really bad. And then that tail comes slamming down and
it does like 60% of your health without anything else going on. So going into that load, not
having a defensive up, not having great cooldowns for it up, you're instantly dead.
Ooh, the egg nearly spawning on them. They're pretty easy to have missed that,
but they pinged it so they would know not to be standing. The egg landing on your head
does hurt. We've got one of those bad ads now casting. Actually, we should have two
right now yeah the double stack on everybody so you can see that dot wow
such a long dot as well it's like 30 seconds it lasts gonna be crazy in pain
here the the ramping healing component to this phase is just absolutely bonkers
and then you know you're thinking of what's on the fight on mythic and you're
starting to get some really really scary territory of like how is this even
feasible to heal through last platform now boss HP looking quite good there on
14% yeah they're in a great spot right now I think pretty reliably they can do
10% of the boss within a burn and right now the burn is a little bit away so
they're setting up for a kill here they're gonna sacrifice these specific
sets of debuffs it's not worth soaking them this part of the fight is
incredibly sketchy the players are just gonna do DPS while they're alive while
that duration of the debuff is ticking down and once it's zero they just die we
sacrifice those and then we just go into the last final burn of the boss
This one might be a little bit close. They have a few dead. Yeah, if you dead
Hopefully the high damage players at least aren't that typically the case in these splits right is the players who die tend to be the ones with less health
Anyways, which are also the ones doing less damage. But yeah, the venomous heart is absolutely getting melted here a couple seconds left on that channel
No problems for team liquid. Let's see what the loot ends up being. We want to see some next and we want to see some trinkets
We've got a trinket. We've got two daggers it looks like mm-hmm, and
Is that another one of the trinkets there? The other trinket?
Plate cantrip, legs, which is good.
Not bad?
It...
For every single run that I think I've watched of them kill heroic rule attack, they have had plate panch drop and a trinket drop.
I think I'm good luck in the plate category.
Yeah.
I don't know if it's inherently tied to the fact that I was a plate player, but every single...
When you were in, did you have good luck as well?
Hell no.
Hell no.
Hell no.
Hell no.
Hell no.
Hell no. All of my...
Universe knows.
Yeah, the karmic retribution of my bad luck is now being sprinkled on to the runs that I cast.
Oh, no.
Oh, yes.
Oh, yes.
We love this.
The bad luck?
Yeah.
No, no, good luck.
Oh, good luck.
Oh, I misunderstood.
Okay.
Oh, this is fantastic for them.
Okay, okay.
The play classes are standout.
You're thinking, you know, warriors.
I mean, look at what they're doing.
True.
That's true.
You want them to hit their items and it is dropping for the most part.
Yeah, especially now that we know there's no nerf coming to Arms Warrior on the next reset, which
I'm so the class tuning has been announced for anybody who missed it a couple of buffs landing on some of the underplayed and less
Well-performing specs, but nothing happening to arms warrior, but we have another submission here. We have rookie
This one's in from saying who sent in a hundred dollars as well my god towards our charity goal
again, we are recording UNICEF this tier, TL.GG slash donate right now being
matched by Raidbox as well. Oh true, true, true. Big thank you then to say and who's
hundred dollar effectively turned into two hundred dollars. True. Towards UNICEF.
Yeah, that's enough for those one of those school in a box and a few of the
colored pencils on top of it as well. Yeah and it's almost enough to get us
to, I think we're gonna be really close to fifteen thousand dollars. I think
we're gonna be around fifty dollars left if I'm doing my math correctly. But
Thank you so much for rookie rookie so cute so cute a mischievous look you know
the like in the best way possible absolutely he probably howls those dogs
like to yell those dogs just literally yell it's not yelling let's reframe
that it's singing you're right you're right they're singing yeah come in a
little sing a little song yep he wants a belly rub for sure but thank you so
much everyone that has set in your pet picture so far with the young like
We're trying to set to the GG slash donate $30 plus a link to a photo double check also if you want to be really helpful. Double check that it works. Yeah, we're getting in. If it doesn't, we'll get in touch with you and make sure that we figured out. We won't skip over you.
Don't you worry.
All right, saying yes, swapping on to another guy now.
Using the Argentina port to get back to town.
Let's keep that guy on dev. Yeah, he swaps the dev and the boss instantly dies. That's the secret to success
Looks like we've got a transmog appearing. Oh
Your tech going now as well. What is that?
Is that a hat or helmet? Is that a this-tier staff? It's got like snakes on it. It's got a crazy crazy
I wish jet was here to really
That might be like a Legion artifact. It's so interesting. It looks like an anthraki. It does
It is a little spider-esque as well.
I think it's the Destruction Warlock Artifact.
Yeah, it's got so much character to it.
Yeah.
Okay.
I don't necessarily know what appearance that is, maybe like the PvP variant of it.
It's got a lot going on, you know, the Saphons are garrous.
Yeah.
And it's got a nice little purple theme to it.
Yeah.
What are you guys feeling about this one?
I like this, yeah.
Nice combo with the undead, the helmet is, I think, clearly a different set than
the rest and I think it works.
Yeah, it's a standout piece.
I'm going to criticize the helm being a little bit stand out.
I like a bit of cohesion in my mocks.
Either one of the two things, either completely no cohesion
whatsoever, a random assortment of just the most ridiculous
things, but thematically, the vibe has to make sense.
If it's not matching, or custom tailored and unique,
not just slapping on a full set of the same items
that come from the same set, but some level of shape
that would be better.
I'm going to knock it down a couple points just for the
helm being a little bit off in this way.
But it is a very distinct look.
I like the helmet.
If you look at the top of the pants,
there's sort of a color connection there with the helm.
That works well.
And then we've got the shoulders that
have got a little bit of the pink and the purple.
And then the trim even matches with the bone
that's showing through of the undead.
So I think it's pretty cool.
We've got these different parts where maybe the purples
and the pinks are a little bit slightly different tones
than each other.
But there are through lines.
and there are connections between these different pieces so I like this one a lot.
I would have liked if it had the prowlers midnight mask from the trading post.
Oh yeah, the strong one.
The black one with the mask actually on I think it would have fit this set a little bit better.
I just have not to you know no pun intended but fully pun intended.
I got a bone to pick with undead males always having their little knees out.
Yeah.
You gotta put those away.
Like I would say it's showing too much skin but there's no skin on those things.
You know what I mean?
Like it's indecent.
Like let's get you in some longer pants or longer boots.
One of the two.
Fair enough.
a fair criticism. I'll give this one a seven at a time. I like it as like a whole. I've
just got like a couple things that are knocking me down for me. I've got a point from chat
that I think is well taken here. Atlas says this with his shorty shorts on. What's not
to love? You know what I mean? And what's not to love here about this character? Yeah,
you're basically in that same log. I'm not getting exposed. I'm exposing myself.
I'm claiming my power, and I'm loving the only where monitor is
Very aptly placed. All right. I
Think since I haven't given my thoughts, you know, I think it doesn't match super well
They tried to make it purple, but the purples are kind of off. We got a little pinkies
We've got like some maroons. We've got some purples or some blues, but it's close
So I'll give it like a six six
I'm going to go with an 8.
An 8?
OK, yeah.
This was Topsoil of the Black Harvest
is the name of this character as well.
That's kind of cool.
The name is Topsoil?
Yeah.
That's cool.
That's really cool.
That's a good name.
As an undead, I feel like also.
I'm giving a 0.5 just for that.
An extra 0.5?
Yeah, having good branding is really important.
No, I agree, yeah.
And that one's from Saucy Hot Pocket.
So thank you for your Transmog submission.
Absolutely.
I think it a very good one.
I just have kissable Kyle on the mind, you know,
yeah, nothing ever compares.
Nothing, nothing will ever.
Well, I don't want to say nothing will ever beat kissable Kyle,
but he really set the bar in terms of the Transmort competition so far.
Who was our guy last year?
Dratnos that we all loved.
What was his name?
So many.
I don't know.
It was a guy that kept coming back like three times yet.
He did several different transmots.
He had a great name too.
I can't remember who it was.
Yeah, the Junkler.
The Junkler.
The Junkler, dude.
The Junkler had the best mogs and then the fact that they were named the Junkler made it even better.
Alright, that guy needs to come back. I'd like to see his mogs once again.
I like how Chat instantly knew.
Oh, they knew. It was a running joke.
That guy's a diva. He's really claimed his space.
I know you guys think that you guys only have the only bits at the race. We have our own bits.
We have our moments.
Oh, I know you guys have your own bits.
I'm not completely out of touch with what's going on on this side.
Yeah, you get to many tears.
You were in fact completely able to just ask the answer.
I was hanging out a lot.
You're in a lot, yeah.
Question for you then, Alice, actually, speaking of.
Do you have any favorite casting bits, like from the broadcast?
Or does the guild have any?
Because I have a feeling they think we're not very funny.
But I'd love to know if they like any of our bits.
I don't necessarily think that's true.
I think that's funny from time to time, to being humble.
Yeah, personally I did like cams after dark show, but specifically when you dress up as alatath. Oh, yeah
Yeah, I liked the when you when you guys did the key depleting like thing the trial. Yeah, that was good
That was fun. Did you watch that one Alice? No. Oh my god
It was one of the after-darks and uh,
James was the judge and then I was suing titles for depleting my key.
Well, it's an apt person to say for depleting your key.
Yeah, it was uh, that was fun.
I'm trying to think of my favorite guild bit.
What's your favorite guild bit, Dronos?
Hmm.
Over the years.
Hmm.
Hmm.
Like from this guild?
Yeah.
Hmm.
Hmm.
Do you know any I know there's so many yeah, I mean the you know liquid basically invented humor in the rating scene
CEOs of North American rating no one even knew what bits were yeah until until young dip hit the skip and
Yeah, that one's low-ranking it is
But my guy has a bit where we
Big fun of that one. Yeah, not being all that funny. Listen. It is funny, right?
But like people bring it up as this iconic means they have like yeah, it's it's really low-ranking. Yeah
It's low hanging fruit exactly it is a bring it up and up it and it's not it's not funny
It's one of those ones where it's like it starts becoming it's funny the first time you see it
And then you're like, okay, that's not that funny and then it keeps getting brought up and you're like, okay
It's funny again. It's like the back around
Are them what's what are some what are some highs for you then atlas?
No, the floor is full of dry notes.
He has to, he has to, I'm, I'm not, I'm not letting him get away with it.
Not helping me, uh, me dodging.
I'm putting you on the spot.
Yeah.
I feel like all of my favorite bits have kind of hit the, the young dip, hit the skip
fate, unfortunately.
Where they get overdone.
Yeah.
I don't remember.
That's the fate of all, of all comedians.
That's why it's a moving target, right?
You gotta keep, gotta keep reinventing yourself.
Yeah, refreshing your bits.
Yeah.
Stailness.
Max ignoring dry knee is a good one.
That's not even really like an intentional bit.
Yeah, he plays into it a little.
He does play into it, but I don't think he's intentionally ignoring Johnny, right?
No, there's no beef.
The first time was definitely an accident.
The second time, he might have been like,
oh, I ignored him last time.
How funny would a beef I do it twice?
Yeah, but then he did it two times last year.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So there's a total four of us.
Holy Paladin players, you know what I mean?
They're easily ignored.
So you're which we've got a Paladin transmog.
Ooh, this one has so much better.
This is the Holy Paladin.
That's the, uh, the Holy Paladin artifact right there.
That is so cool.
This is, okay, so it is like a lot of the sets together,
although I think the shoulders are different
than this T2 recolor, it's the HD T2 recolor
to use a lot of letters and numbers in a row.
But they fit.
They do fit really nicely.
And the tension to detail.
They slapped in a cape that also fits very well.
Very nice cape.
It's not obnoxious, it's got a good shape to it.
It flows well.
It flows well, it's not grabbing too much attention,
but you know that there's a cape there.
really enhances the silhouette of this character.
If they found themselves in a situation where they got dropped out of a plane,
they could use that cape to kind of slow their trajectory down.
It would be functional, but also stylish at the same time.
Absolutely.
Yeah, this color scheme ever since,
I think it was TBC that these recolors came out for the first time of
these original iconic sets and
the purple palette in one I think was by far the winner of that exchange.
like that was a huge selling point of running Shadow Labyrinth or whatever to
get that blue item that had that transmog on it. I'm loving this set. Yeah, I like
this. I'm gonna give this one like a nine I've done. Wow. I'm also gonna give it a
nine. I'll go with an eight again. I'm an eight? Okay. Yeah, I like it. I think it's great.
That's fair. I've mugged my character that several times. Yeah. I think it
also had a really nice combination of the shoulder and the cloak but it is
also one that I at least I've logged into a character with that that type
mug so much that it's lost a little bit of novelty to me going back to liquid
bits yeah let's let's hear I'll feed a couple I've got a few okay don't worry
oh yeah nice of course there's the the hopeful getting banned yeah yeah a lot
of a lot of a lot of power behind that one one of my favorites which is not
quite as much of a liquid one but just when you do you know about M&S the
shack iconic iconic yes or those are no M&S Monday night squad is a half
Pug run that especially back in like Dragonfly was was super active yeah on
Mondays it would be like Shaq and fired up and then a bunch of random combinations
of you know helpers friends in ID friends and all these various guilds that
would get together and we would clear the raid up until it got hard and Shaq
would readily be entire thing through raid warnings yeah and if the
Invariably it starts off with all right team. We're going to the first boss first
I can hear the yeah, and then he would spam the raid warning there
It would keep going until it really like wiped to something and then and boss with like a split group scenario
We'd have to assign people certain things you just put in raid warning to do what makes sense
Yeah, and if it doesn't make sense don't do it. Yeah, and yeah, it worked alarmingly well
I think during the fated season we killed Sarkarath on that like mythic Sarkarath on the yep
an M&S. In Nair Bar Palace we got to Kai Vezel and gave that a few tries. My evoker,
Durek Dave, was healing that one. We've also got a three-pole limit, so we get
to a boss where we know it's like M&S is not clearing it, right? So we'll give it
three good chances. If it doesn't die, we're out of there immediately. Everybody
keeps up the heart. But it was great in an era where, you know, you have all
these split characters and maybe look what doesn't do as many runs as
needed to gear up all your characters. M&S was always providing. It was a great
time. And we also had a grandfathering system within M&S as well.
If you show up to the run pretty consistently you got labeled an official M&S grandfather and your spot was basically secured
We had a lot of people like in that program Lucy notably honestly one of the main say M&S grandfathers
Okay, that's how I made a name for himself and found his way into liquids was
Interesting okay, Lucy Lauren locked super fun. What else you got any more?
Shaq streamed himself spoiling like some movie or something once
I don't know about movie, but one of my favorite bits of all time, which is very recent is the quick piss off bit
Where he goes to bait you into spoiling the word all of the day and then it's specifically a word that has absolutely
No letters that match and then it goes and baby
Yeah, I was relay it was like yeah, yeah, yeah today's word. Oh is relay
And yeah, oh my god a great clip from last race if you want to go find it
It's on Twitter if you just scroll up the liquid guild Twitter until you find it
Yeah, I I've been starting my wordle with relay ever since
There I've gotten a lot of wordles in two as a result of the strength of relay
That's what it is. He spoiled chronicles of Narnia on Max's stream at Max's house
Like I think you just streamed on his own and didn't tell Max or something. I don't know
So, very Shaq, Shaq Nanagans.
Yeah?
And Nigmavu, man.
Yes.
All right.
So what are some of your favorites that Alice?
That one ranks up there, top three, easily.
Just because I was in a separate split and I heard him do that,
and I was like, oh my god, what the hell is happening over there?
Underrated, but also aptly rated at the same time.
Weird little dynamic there.
But any sort of flying that involves
Drainie kills me.
Like actually kills me.
It's overblown, but it's like in and out.
You know what I mean?
People overrate it in terms of how good it is,
but it is just good.
It's hilarious how much he struggles with dragon writing.
And specifically.
I'm starting to feel bad for him.
Well, yeah.
But also he's a good sport about it.
He knows it's hilarious, you know what I mean?
The clip specifically on Demensia is where we were
learning P2 for the first time, everybody's dead.
And it's just the Drainster on his broom,
and he's flying through in what
looks like a mount that is debuffed and going super slow and you see Nick literally crying
laughing falling out of his seat. I remember seeing that clip and I was crying laughing
at that. Nick could not contain it. And then he ends up flying so bad that he dies is the
funnier part.
We um, during that tear during the morning show we had a compilation of drying and dying
and like making mistakes, flying mistakes on dementia.
We had like a bunch of memes in Guild that people photoshopping his face onto like a jet
fighter pilot, like Drinster in the air and it's like he's crashing the plane and Drinster
on the ground and it's like the meme of the guy with the vein popping out of his head
and he's doing like 500 IQ plays.
That's great.
Yeah, you can't trust that guy to be off the ground, but on the ground he's an absolute
monster.
That's a good one.
Or I was like, speaking of flying, but it's JPC on Facebook.
Oh my god.
I feel like most guilds have had some sort of scenario where they had somebody do that.
Is that on sticks when you're just circling the bomb?
Some good ones there for sure.
Super low key one and very obscure bit but a personal favorite of mine because I've just been perpetuating it and it's just a total lie but it's so fun to me.
Impact prior to people like kind of knowing about him at all was this mystery figure, right?
When you first joined the guild like obscure player very low profile, but just an absolute beast nobody knew anything about him
He wasn't really coming to the events. Nobody knew what he looked like or anything like that
And he's very soft-spoken. He doesn't ever speak up too much, but you can tell it's him when he's speaking, right?
and
I just for fun was
Spreading the lie that he's this mystery figure who wears all leather
Yeah, oh, I'm speaking of lies that I perpetuate about people JPC going to Harvard. I did that one, too
We actually is that Harvard though. Well, yeah, like you kind of manifested it. Yeah
I was it's still a bit if he's actually going I feel like every now and the same way that people conflate the fact that they call
Me a doctor when I'm clearly not it's the same way that people do the JPC at Harvard thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah
But yeah, I'm gonna come clean. Yeah, Jay
Dude.
That one, uh...
My version.
...shedicated a little bit.
What else you got?
What are some other top ones?
They're tough.
For a while we were good at creating, like, boss nicknames,
but then they really started getting a bit cheap, you know?
Yeah.
Like, Double D Donnie?
No king rules forever.
Yeah.
Some things you can't top.
Yeah, sometimes it's cheap to try.
Sometimes you just apply the same formula to other things
and it doesn't hit.
Yeah.
So we're kind of getting into that territory a little bit.
really come up with a cool name for ULTEC now at this point.
I wish there was like...
Leetea, but I feel like that's too...
Yeah, Leetea, see what I mean.
That's like Formuleic.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm like, do the same thing over and over again.
Yeah.
It's not really fun.
So, I don't know, I'm trying to think about like actual standout bits.
There's always some new bit during a tier, you know what I mean?
Yeah.
But I feel like for a while now, we've kind of fallen off our big game.
You guys have, yeah.
No cool name.
Fanos and Rooking rules forever.
I'm waiting for...
Yeah.
Waiting for some good ones.
so that I can adopt it into my own humor
in a parasocial manner.
That's usually what I might go to
and then repeat it forever until they die.
That's right.
Yeah.
You too can help the process of...
Yeah, you too.
...of bit recycling and composting.
Yes.
So you know what a bit recycling.
People are calling it UwU.
UwU attack?
I don't like that.
We have the power here to make the nickname right now yeah segment. Yeah, but I don't have the creativity
You know I've applied myself in other ways. Yeah, and I'm I'm spent for lying about your friends. Yeah
making up lore oh
Hopeful with the blink, but it looks like he's still got hit by that caustic wave
Right before I love the expressions. Yeah, I
He's one of the most fun players absolutely facial expressions and reactions to things especially his own mistakes
Looks like the boss is getting very low already, so they just need to survive even like half the rate through that heart
They're gonna be well ahead of the check this time. They've got nothing to concern themselves with here
They're just gonna spread out these three circles and sacrifice them and they go into a majamp and the boss is unbelievably low
So it looks like they've figured out to play the arms warriors in the arcane mages to make the boss die
You can see they've got five mages in and three warriors and
I'm a little bit worried that mythic might look sort of similar to this
Yeah, here comes that final burn phase the AMZ needing to be vacated as the waves are traveling through it
But that shouldn't be a problem. The boss is already dead on my screen. Let's see what items we can pick up this time
As down it goes
Time to loot the chest
Oh
Three trinkets don't mind if we do
Maybe not and that's kind of bad actually probably because they're probably not that many characters actually need it
One's usually great, you know, you're usually really sad if you don't see at least one.
The second's often good. The third, like, who's gonna equip that thing?
Well, most of these runs are basically split for armor type, right?
So when you're getting into these last boss heroics, you'll have one to three mains,
each one of these runs. You'll have a plate, you'll have a cloth, you'll have a leather to soak all these things.
And they're kind of spread out to the part where the curios also get evenly distributed to make sure everybody gets as much heroic tears as possible.
So you're thinking of who that trinket is good for, right? It's strength and agi.
So at a bare minimum if you have two drop you're happy like you're gonna have one other man in there
Like a rogue and a warrior can both get it and at worst case you might have like two of that specific type in at some point
It becomes an inevitability. So you're not necessarily mad about three trinkets dropping. It's probably pretty good
You would like a neck. Yeah, you want the neck like people with the trend transmute that third trinket drop into something else
You probably would yeah, we haven't had many next drop though. So no I haven't seen that dude the one thing
I've learned is crazy is if you have two people on the same Bnet
But like different wow accounts or whatever that are you know able to play together you can trade warbound items between them
Oh, that's crazy. So one of the one of the players of my guild who one of our helpers is his sister was able to just a
Warbound neck drop for her. Yeah, she's able to open trade and get that top character. Yeah, absolutely crazy funnel
Here's that oh my gosh. Yes. Oh
Oh the piss off clear. They probably find the sound. Yeah
Oh my gosh, I hopefully I have the lore right to but I think a team liquid employee that has nothing to do with social media
Normally like just made that for fun. Yeah, and sent it in and then fantastic editing
Please crack me if I'm wrong on that, but that's what I heard actually so funny
Fill out those grains kills me like it actually kills me every time I see it
Oh, it's Heather one of our editors. So that that's why the editing is so good. That makes sense
Just did it out of passion
Mind you he did this like
With no buildup at all. Yeah, it was just
dead silent in there split and then he just spontaneously had a light bulb go off in his head and he just decided to rip it
Who do you think is the funniest person on the guild? That's probably a hard question to answer
I feel like it would feel at least for me. I feel like Shaq. Everybody has different kinds of humor
Yeah, you know what I mean
There are people within the guild that are genuinely hilarious
But like their sense of humor is less so in the bits and the ridiculous and more so in like witty things
Yep, and then there's Shaq who thrives in just being deadpan and very basic. Yeah, so some people just don't find Shaq funny at all
Like they don't get it. I
Cannot imagine not finding him funny. Yeah, he's he's got the type of humor that you're like damn. I wish I was that funny
Like it makes you mad
Maybe that's just me though. Yeah, it's
The humor in him is that he's peculiar
Yeah, so you have to be in on that bit to like understand the sense of humor to begin with but if that's not like your cup of tea
you might not necessarily find money. It's really it's really hard to say who's
the funniest. Everybody's funny in their own different ways. Yeah, that's true.
Which is why the guild works so well. A bunch of peculiar guys. Yeah, there are
some that are a little more low-key. Sometimes you'll notice as well there's
somebody who speaks maybe once or twice per day or something like that, but
it's always quality when they do, right? Yeah, I think in terms of like
consistency and outspokenness, Scott ranks very very very high. That guy's
consistently funny
yeah don't think he's funny
no not a fan
no
nope i don't like sarcasm's not your forte
i uh...
you know it uh... it goes over my head every single time
skill is you realize that i got all with a hundred percent skill is
that i got debated
uh... and then i look stupid
so he's not funny and i wish you'd cut it out
do you think it's a reflection of scott not being funny or you
It's probably me.
Yeah, I worry that if you don't find Scott funny, it's the indictment of your own.
No, no, no.
I'm definitely not.
He's very funny.
I just, I am very gullible.
I'm too pure of heart.
Yeah, you believe in the way of the world.
I do.
Why would anybody lie to me?
Well, that's how we got J.P.C. at Harvard.
He told me that's all.
So how we got impact and leather.
He convinced me that somebody got kicked in the head by a horse because he convinced me
that John Blizzard got kicked in the head by a horse.
I was like, what?
Are you serious?
Yeah.
I think Scott's hilarious.
No, he's really funny.
So funny.
But I feel like also he's like a slow burn.
Yeah.
Like it takes a while to kind of figure out his, like the way he operates.
You gotta warm up to it.
Yeah.
But then what happened is like it had a cool down period because I haven't seen in my a
well in a long time and I'm being slapped in the face with with his sarcasm.
You know who's insanely funny within the guild and it's not based on necessarily anything
they say but just purely their laugh.
Okay.
It's Sinny.
Really?
That guy has the most heartwarming laugh of all time but it's got a sprinkle of evil.
Like it's such a hilarious time.
I love when that guy laughs. It makes me laugh every single time I put the smile on my face.
I feel like I wouldn't be able to recognize it because he doesn't talk that often.
No, he almost exclusively just laughs.
He does speak, you know? He's got little quips here and there every now and then.
One of those more reserved players who doesn't speak very often, but when you laugh, it's
unmistakable. I remember, I think maybe it was you that told me this. I don't know,
Maybe it was Jet was saying that when cams was on the go. Nobody knew that he was funny
He started casting and they realized that he's he's definitely not yeah, he's very to himself and very monotone and deadpan, you know, yeah
Yeah, just hearing him talk about the monster drinks and low quips that he throws in there
Yeah, suddenly, you know is is hilarious the
Last year when they made the the race hersel video if you haven't seen that it's absolutely incredible
It's like the the Nathan for you guy cams just perfect like his sense of humor lines
up so perfectly with that I feel like he should be a stand-up comedian I think
it'd be good at it yeah we did one of those ones for the night show he did
stand-up comedy yeah cams is great hilarious hilarious guy trying to think
Oh, also sleeper pic. Yeah, Larkas hilarious. Really hilarious hilarious guy never had a conversation
He's very cams ask in the way that like he gives a very very you know what? I'm starting to realize
I also just made stuff up about him
I'm just thinking yeah, yeah
I said that he was the son of an estranged billionaire and he's like Batman because didn't we had him in a in a
Documentary and we put like a very cryptic like shadowy figure. Yeah like yeah, he's one of the mystery men of liquid
Yes.
He doesn't come to the events, he's my friend.
So if he has like no online.
Nobody knows who he looks like, right?
Exactly, yeah.
So I just, for fun, was like, oh yeah, he's actually just
a really, really high profile son of a billionaire,
and that's why he doesn't show his face.
OK.
You know, he basically serves as a philanthropic human rights
activist that's one of his most renewable characteristics.
And he just kind of reigned with it.
I asked him if he was OK with me just publicly putting out
there, and he just laughed, and was like, yeah, dude,
whatever, sure.
But he's really funny.
He's got like a hilarious sense of sarcasm and like a very deep monotone voice that like the delivery kind of hits whenever he's done something funny.
Okay.
Also got a hearty laugh as well.
Yeah, that's good.
Well, if you were in chat right now, let us know what your favorite guild bit is or any from this tier in particular.
In the meantime, we're going to head to a monster energy listening and we'll be right back.
Do you want someone to do the PI's run? Or is it like just being close to the bottom?
I think it actually would be easy for one person to just figure it out. Like just coming to the run, you're one job as you craft your character, you come in and then you just say, you PI this guy, you PI this guy, you PI this guy, or it was for getting set up.
I'm getting anarchies.
How good is PI for arms during the end?
It's probably mains and then we need to figure out like the next it's like it's also when Walker
I know specifically during lust when Walker does better with PI than most other classes because like they get diminishing returns from it
But when Walker seems to some higher with it
Yeah, yeah during when Walker sees very very good
Is that much like difference in strength in the characters even like mains because they're like not crafting right?
That's a very interesting thing.
Yeah, my screens are kind of in a funny spot.
If someone has a really good character, maybe you can say another one.
Otherwise, you're just like, on top.
Windwalker.
Is that a good dream?
Someone do it.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Someone come up.
I mean, a mailbox.
in the fucking media man
bro i love that he's just like fucking kame kamehame being this guy
we've been here for fucking years
yeah we need some settings on this
okay okay
he's like a dog shaver
he doesn't look like he's kamehamehawing he looks like that like
reddit meme when people would say like science silence
corporation or whatever and it's like the hydra with the beaming eyes that's
what that's a lot of people are are you 15 years old
yeah i got a big ramp
Yeah, I'm sorry I'm not here
I'm gonna try to
Less having it be one side at a time and I just want the melee to get done right away. Healers. Do you care if you're?
last
Hey wolf and shaga
I'd be good if anything, because you
boom your tobo who matters and does waiting boom okay tobo, tobo, tobo, tobo, tobo, tobo, tobo, tobo, tobo, tobo, tobo
and whenever you want
the camera angles of that ring were just
it's fully amazing yeah
everyone kill the bad end
popping ascendents
I can res interhumable really, res interhumable really
Should just cut the cat first before we go
The big ad yes, yeah
How long does it take until it casts it's like something, it's like 20 plus seconds
It's really long
What is it's other cast dude, just rate damage?
Hey, when it's high on time
If it does a lot of rate damage
Like it puts a dot on everyone when it spawns
permanent that I'm gonna get the height probably not
go back to the long way
permanent on the A.K.A. Y.T.
I guess playable then
if we have a permanent on the rest of the map
that's the center of the town
this is a lock in moment
lock in moment on the block here
let's get in the healer and rain for more LBs
target the heart, no hopeful
Uh oh, it's a fish!
You can actually dip in the ship.
Yeah, it's nice, right?
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
It's nice, right?
It's good, it's good, Ted.
Make sure that strikes in here.
That's right, we're fucking massive.
I'm going on recharge.
10% now.
Okay, this is actual, like healers are just sitting in the middle healing.
Everyone else, make sure you run to your thing.
in moment who's doing the first rally I'm back tomorrow grab your grab your thing
one two three skull four five six X on a little present answers actually that was
the link moment one two three four four yeah four five six square I think is a
red thing one person show you it's very far orange orange four five six
orange watch HP watch HP live live live no die oh we can res
Nick and we have to do it down to dps and hope it works
We can res one of them in two minutes, and we have to play perfect
Like we didn't have everyone make it to that so great. That's what happened. Yeah, I had to help flutter over for
fucking gone
All right, this is a actual lock-in moment
If we do make it to the enrage there right kill eggs here
We can step off the platform and look for like she's like yeah, yeah
You're in a race. I was trying I did not pay attention. Yeah, how many people were we have two people dead as long as they are spread out
They should report
They're fine. They're fine. Everyone soak your thing. Everyone soak your thing. They should work as long as everyone's in right away
Go to melee DK go to melee
He looks like you're gonna just give it to you
You have to go to me unless it's already
Hit the egg
Hit the eggs spreading in three two one now
Yeah, that's perfect. We have just enough people
And big damage here
Finish these eggs eggs in the back for sure watch waves watch waves watch waves watch waves all the eggs need God
Bad at in the front left just get it in
We need names you here lip if you can everyone in oh
Oh no
Okay, so we have
What kind of thing did we have one of the links for for mamba range here
Hit your pile, hit your pile, hit your pile, hit the egg, yeah, in the back, and the left.
Re-resing at 10?
Uh, I don't know, whoever's bigger.
Hard left, hard left.
Okay, hard left range, hard left range and healers, don't miss a tick, you cannot miss a tick.
Predigin 3, 2, 1, now.
And wombo combo, all CDs, 3, 2, 1, boom, and spread, same time. Boom!
Fire is up a lot. I don't have any time. There's a
Roman Africa
We have to sacrifice someone it'll be
Res me now Jack range sack goop sack goop sack one ranged help healers one ranged help healers
We already did it. We're good. We're good. We're good. No one else the rest of you don't get a debuff
Don't pre heal the warlocks from the Larkis here
They won't be able to get spread, everyone else spread?
Nice, and let's finish the Shriekers now, watch waves, watch waves.
This is looking fucking solid by the way.
Finish the Shriekers if possible.
Platform break in 10.
I don't think, nice.
Top and ultimate.
We're gonna have to do that again, it's running.
Uh...
It's looking hard yet, it's looking hard yet.
No!
Uh, okay.
Don't soak here, these guys die.
They're fucking luck, guys.
Heal me!
Hey, watch wave.
Nick.
Heal me!
This is looking good. This is looking good. Watch way
There it always seems like back middle of the platform for range is always safe from those waves
It's like they converge in the middle before you but if you stand back mid they always go around you
Could be hard lying though
All right Valley in effort
Get off
I think this group does have the damage to 7 heal we want to, but it would be tight.
I guess that's really bad for holy.
The speck is just like the fucking boss goes away at the hardest feeling moment.
I feel like this is like the only way there, right?
Yeah.
I think they'll fix that for mythic though.
Yeah, probably.
I'll just never go away
The good game play
That wasn't the I think the intermission would have been easier to heal I I did have a I could have saw this wrong
Like you know because we have healers
Not like they're just sitting out and healing during that phase that act and it takes 40% of the raid
them to minimize
The like a we from soaking those things in every single one
I don't think everyone made it to the second was it the second one of 123 or the third one of 123
It was like really far. I don't think four five six second one
Yeah, it was well as no
I think it was the one before that because I watched four five six and we were like 20% going into that soak
It was the one before that just like turbo newt everyone
you do my true and we start with one guy calling each yeah I think one guy calling
each would be nice also I think this would be annoying to set up maybe but
if like if everyone bound their ping like one two three bound their ping to
regular and four five six bound it to like the danger ping or something I
I think it would also be sick.
You should see like...
It's like green and red good.
No, green is terrible.
But it's green not bad.
I think blue and red is good.
No, green is green in me.
Alright, and we are back from that monster energy listening.
We're liquid. They did wipe on Ulitec, heroic.
Causing a little bit of pain, but they were down a couple of players for an extended period of time.
It sounds like they're just working through some of the potential pitfalls with Ullatec Heroic.
But I do feel like this composition is a little bit better.
I am, of course, your host, Teddlz, and I am joined by Dratnos and Xyronic.
How have the splits been today? Are we coping yet about Mythic today, Dratnos?
Yeah, there's lots of different types of Mythic that could happen today.
Just none sound like the kind that we're wanting.
Mythic plus?
Mythic plus.
Okay.
Mythic splits.
Oh, splits!
No! Please, no!
Yeah, okay, so here's the here's the thought process behind mythic splits to catch up you guys and anybody joining on stream that
Missed us talking about this in the last block the theory is look
We're gonna be done with her or Google text and stuff sometime in the next few hours, right?
Then we've got mythic plus to do round out our gear at that point
There's gonna be like two days left in the reset
How much value are you're gonna be able to get out of mythic progression?
Versus can you run the first three bosses like six times and generate a bunch more mythic items?
Is that a better use of the remainder of the week?
I will say I don't think it's ever the wrong decision to just like send your 20 best characters into mythic and try to progress
As far as possible the question is only like is it slightly more optimal to go for gearing?
Which at first first a slightly less optimal decision. Some would call that a wrong decision sure
I think it's it's more just like I think that the
Doing mythic splits can end up taking way more time than it's worth in the potential down
Yeah, the downside risk is that you just lose the race over it
I think there's a very real possibility that we see what you're talking about like a mix of the two like where we saw
We saw in voids by where they send one group in right one main like theoretical week one main group into clear bosses
And if it seems easy enough then you can think about doing splits, especially if you hit a wall they sent so many
Vantus runes and crafts and stuff like that on their their second their third best characters to try to kill
Horokul attack well
Maybe they haven't sent them on their second and third best specifically maybe it's just been the fourth through 14
I've seen 26 minutes is in a lot of these runs
So I mean it but you shouldn't need a vantus rune to kill mythic lost explorers or mythic and tube retinols
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Those things just send us an image of them and for $250 we will spin the wheel of chaos
There are some really nasty ones on there. What was the doctor at this bit? We spun that one time
Yeah, yeah, I came and gave Kalamazoo a little checkup, the shift afterwards, because I think you guys spun that while I was in my raid, so I came out after and helped the medical advice.
I was giving Kalamazoo some official medical advice, yeah.
Well, so he is having this issue where I think his parses were migrating to his hair color a little bit.
Oh!
Yeah, I was trying to help him resolve that one.
I didn't want to give him any food advice, like stop eating spicy things two hours before
going to bed.
That can't be related to his tummy aches.
So talking a bit about myth exploits, I want to move us back in that direction.
Echo, they have done a bit more aggressive on their 5 out of 8 heroic runs where they
are running 10 mains to 20 helpers or 10 echo players to 20 helpers.
I was watching earlier today as well, I didn't see them pull but I saw them setting
up a Heroic Coiled Altar with helpers as well.
So potentially a lot more items being generated, especially the Heroic Coiled Altars are very
valuable.
You're talking about a lot more items being generated.
I'm thinking about their second and potentially third best characters.
Would Mythic Splits be more available for them, do you think, because I feel like right
now we're kind of at a point where both Liquid and Echo have a bit of tension
where neither of them really want to be the first guild, they're kind of posturing
against one another.
Yeah.
Neither of them really want to be zoning into Mythic first, but somebody's
going to have to make the first move.
Well, you know, of course, there's just less time left in the NA reset than there is in the European one.
So, liquid probably have to make the call first of whether we're going into a mythic progression or mythic split thing.
I don't think you can really send 20 mains in and then still get much value out of mythic splits afterwards as well.
You could maybe get a little bit on some potential other characters, but I think the thought process is going to be like, look,
there are literally, you know, after today, there's two days left in the reset.
How much value are we getting out of progression there right is it time to just pull the trigger on some
Some splits instead it also kind of depends on the scaling of some of these earlier bosses
Right because you have to remember the skill level and the preparation for liquid is certainly a little bit higher than
Well, maybe a lot higher than some of the guilds that have cleared mythic bosses already because when you go back and look at her
Okul attack item levels when guilds killed it out of the first three kills the other two guilds that killed the boss
They were 305 308 when they killed the boss liquid split when they killed it was 299
So maybe they could get some value out of the mythic splits
But I think if you do want to do mythic splits
You probably want to kill four bosses three or four bosses not just the first yeah
I think three is the number that maybe four. Yeah, maybe Vashnik depending
Cizerak I think is the one that people are looking at are like, okay
That's probably not something you can kill in a split this week
Yeah, it is it is interesting because I do still think that
that it's very rarely going to be like a bad decision to send your 20 best characters into
the raid and try to clear as far as possible, but the potential downsides of...
I mean, you generate like 28 extra mythic items by doing mythic splits.
It depends on how difficult the mythic is.
Yeah, it depends on how much...
But that's the thing, the downside of mythic splits is that you lose all that progression
time.
If it's only two days of progression time anyways, that's a lot less of a downside,
right?
much smaller downside than it would be in a regular tier so the reason it's
different than a regular tier is we've spent now we're probably gonna spend an
extra two days in splits than usual so instead of having four days of mythic
regression in the first reset we're gonna have to available to us yeah
because historically even with the heroic week the penultimate boss is
already dead by the time the first reset rules around yeah like it's dying
on the Monday it's dying usually Monday of the first reset is or Tuesday
Wednesday the second one. Yeah, that's exactly boss goes down and it's
This tier it seems quite unlikely. Yeah, if it coiled alcher is going to be dying on reset one just because we haven't stepped foot into mythic yet
So this is I think pacing probably the closest conduit is this of this is liberation of undermine right where sprocket monger
Lockenstock, which was the fifth boss of that tier was that was the last boss that was killed on reset one is killed only by
Didn't get that on the first reset
wouldn't it have been better in liberation of under mine?
Well, the stick's progression week one was very valuable.
That was useful, although I guess they did nerf it on that second reset, so that would
have been a sub-time they could have saved.
There wasn't particularly great loot off of those first few bosses, although I guess,
yeah, because the thing this tier that's really nice is you're kind of looking for
somewhere to put your myth crests into, especially if you're crafting a two-hander.
Yeah, if you're crafting a two-handed weapon, that's 80 of your myth crests.
You still have another like 70 this week using the one-time sources.
Next week you're getting another 100 and you're not getting another craft.
So you need like two myth-track items in order to be able to fully utilize your crest over this next week.
Now you'll get one of them from using a bonus roll on Heroic Ulyssac,
but the other one, you know, if you want to get one on everybody,
is gonna need, you're gonna need to get a handed one from the raid.
And of course, if you get enough, then maybe you don't bonus roll Heroic Glutech next week
and you're looking at bonus roll Mythic Coiled Altar and pick up one of those myth 9 out
of 6 items from that boss instead.
So the opposite side of the conversation that we're talking about with Mythic Splits
is like one of the main value propositions when it comes to Mythic Splits was the
thing that they did back in Voice Fire in Martyr Kelvanas where they did the multiple
main swap, right?
Right.
So week one, the value of the Mythic Splits is that you can get a character
high enough item level that week two, you could get Hero of the Dawn, juice that character
entirely, use that Hero of the Dawn achievement on your second and more important maim to go
ahead and do that. If you can do that, that's still incredibly powerful. You're gaining
probably two to three item levels on a character. The question is, is there enough time left
in the week for them to actually properly present that?
I don't know if there's enough mythic pieces to pass around. Yeah, Hero of the Dawn
is a lot trickier this time around than it was last time. You need a lot of loot handed
to a character to make it possible. Hero 4 out of 6 items from these last 2 on Heroic
do help, but you're basically playing with 11 or 12 total upgrades that you're going to
need every other item track. You can upgrade 4 slots and you need to get handed something
everywhere else. Myth 1 out of 6 doesn't even really help. I guess it sort of does,
It's 20 crests. Yeah, you still need to put crests into a myth one out of six item to I
Get there. I don't know. I don't know if here with the dawn is like really I think it's probably
I mean maybe if you do mythic splits make some of that on the tables. It's just tough
I
Think the way mythic splits are gonna work this time is a pretty different from last time because I don't think it's gonna be
The case of swapping mains. I think it's gonna be a much more standard
Split style of let's make some splits with yeah, your four mains and 16 alts and put all the loot on the mains
And yeah, I'm not sure you can get value out of doing it the way that it worked in voidspire
In voidspire
There was just a lot more mythic gear to go around and it was fire
They kind of had to do it that other way because all their man's were saved to the friend that had killed the crown of the cosmos
Yep, I think also something that was unique with voidspire was a couple of other things
Vantage rooms were way more powerful than than they are right now and
The fact that you could have a second main was incredibly valuable
Whereas I don't I can't imagine that you would want to juice a character that has like four mythic
Scarry's one with the fighter. Big overlap. Platform break plus circles.
Bang!
Everyone lived.
Alright.
Yeah, boss HP, looking pretty playable as well. 22% here. So they should be able, if
they can keep everybody alive, to get through on this one. You can see on the damage meters,
a little bit of a hint as to what we might start seeing on Mythic as well.
Triple Warrior.
Three Warriors on there, two mages as well. The previous run I think had like five mages.
that spec is really really good for this fight those heart burn windows especially
if you can optimize properly for it it's it's even better than you'd think from
the Sims because you can like precast the surge on a little attack right before
the heart spawns and then at the first global on the heart you throw the touch
of the magi on it and absolutely ascend well especially this last burn
when it's an execute yeah they have that massive barrage damage as well I
think they're gonna send even further they're gonna be right there
with the arms warriors yeah this is gonna be an impressive showing as we do
You have one death now, two battle res available, one being committed there, and the last platform
is where they're going to have to play the remainder of the fight.
We got a little bit of mechanics, but not as much here.
It's going to be the burn very soon here in about 30 seconds.
First we're going to get another set of red circles.
These ones are sacrificed.
There's not going to be any room to do the spread that we would get from soaking
them down.
So, just no realistic way to do anything other than sacrifice these players.
They have to get out before they become active so that nobody else gets the circles around them.
And now a dodge of a nice wave. Empty spot in the mid. That's exactly what we wanted to see.
And now the final burn begins. Boss already almost at 10% HP.
The Warriors and the mages are going to absolutely melt the venomous heart here.
12 more seconds to do just 5% of the boss's HP. It's not going to be particularly close.
down goes the boss, 4 seconds still on the clock before that final platform would have been smashed.
Let's see what we can get.
Trinket.
This time around.
Oh, no very rare.
Oh, we got the trinket though.
Yeah, we got the Acura and Relic hurry.
Oh, that is very important.
That's about as good as it's going to get.
Yeah, and that's the thing we've been unluckiest on so far.
So those, I think, are the ones that we are most happy to see every time we can.
Yeah, I think the guillotine technique ended up being the slightly more premium trinket
for the melee DPS but I mean that you want that and this one yeah you really
want both you're you're looking for as a melee player this year is the mecca is
not a very rare item no the very rare is the the dagger yeah okay yeah you can
get up I think in these like 30 player runs you get upwards of like 10 pieces
of you can get 10 items yeah you have the six guaranteed plus the three
curios and then you can also roll a fair items are extra pieces of loot yeah
Yeah.
So, yeah.
It's a lot of loot.
It's a lot of loot.
Yeah.
I mean, you could get 40 items if everybody gets a Warbound piece as well, so.
True.
We love our movies.
That's a lot of items.
Then think back in Classic, you'd have 40 players in your raid and the boss dropped
two items.
How far we've come?
Yeah, and then someone would loot them themselves and then leave the raid.
Yeah.
It's interesting that people still want to play that version of the game.
Well, Classic Plus is coming soon, so that's gonna...
Is it Classic Plus loot?
be? It can be whatever you want it to be until they announce what it is.
Alright.
Alright, we're going to be swapping over to our next characters now. Looks like THD
hopping onto a character that does have a two-piece in his bags. They'll be able to get...
That was a reason that we've been doing all these extra normal and heroic splits that we were hoping
we could avoid, is that we just needed to get these set bonuses on these alts so that we could actually
actually do these heroic gulotex splits. It is such an absurdly difficult heroic end boss.
Somebody just tried Schrodinger's classic.
Schrodinger exactly.
Exactly. Thank you.
All right. Looks like also whenever the Raiders go to lunch here in a couple of hours, I
think it's like an hour and a half from now, we're going to be doing our $15,000
Which is the are you smarter than a fifth-grader challenge?
All right at two so that's when they're when the Raiders go to lunch. We will go to
Are you smarter than a fifth-grader land Zyra? I know you were excited to be on during during that one
I don't know about excited. It just like seemed like something I could do well
And I have made made a comment during the last blockers like there wants to be on that so we can show off his math
Leap skills guys
I'll be good at math, but I think every other subject for like smarter than a fifth-grader like I
I don't remember. I think we had a lot of subjects covered between the three of us.
I think it was geography. Yeah, geography, okay.
And I've got common sense and, you know, general street smarts.
Capital of Washington State.
Uh, Olympia.
Wow. Okay, you're right. We're good. We're good to go, actually.
Well, there was a Twitch, like, smarter than a fifth grader show for a while,
and I remember watching that, and there were some surprising questions
that I was like, I have no idea what this is.
Yeah, I'm trying to think what subjects I would be good at.
I don't actually, I don't know what I,
I think I'd be okay at all of them,
but I suspect that a lot of the fifth grader knowledge
has left my head at this age.
It's crazy how bad I have a simple arithmetic.
Okay, I do the simple math,
but I think Zyra could be better at that than me.
Sometimes you go a little too fast, right?
And you like, you just kind of get an answer stuck
in your head and you can't think about
how it couldn't be that.
Yeah.
And then.
I feel like just generic history you would be good at.
Yeah, yeah.
But I do better in an environment where I can like play on the play the judge and okay
I try and do like a try and explain how my answer was actually so like if it's multiple choice
Then I don't get I don't get to like
Make the argument afterwards if you really think about it fifth graders nowadays are also using a that's true
Yeah, if we're if we're graded on the curve then
That could be an improvement for us. Yeah, we should I think we should be allowed to use
Well, I mean back in my day when we took math test
We weren't allowed to use calculators because our teachers would tell us there's no way you're gonna be walking around with
calculator in your pocket when you're older. Yeah, it was crazy. Whenever I got to Calculus,
that was just not true. They just gave you a graphing calculator because they said,
you don't need to graph this parabola by hand. You're never going to need to do this.
Castor Desk, what programming language was named for a poet's daughter?
Well, is this, is this a riddle or is this just like a trivia question diver?
That sounds like that sounds like trivia. Okay, I know programming languages. Do you
Do you guys know poets by chance?
So it's probably not something like C, C-sharp, C++.
It's probably not like Python.
It's probably not Java.
It's not JavaScript.
It's Ruby.
Ruby?
OK, I can see it being Ruby.
That could be a good one.
That's probably the best answer.
That's the only one that makes sense to me.
We've got people in chat saying Ruby.
Yeah, my beautiful daughter, SQL.
You fell again.
Yes.
Thank you.
I think if you're a beautiful daughter, SQL.
Maybe I was named after UlaSakSwater.
I thought it was Rust.
No, I don't think so, Team Liquid.
Yeah, I don't know.
It's probably got to be Ruby, right?
Ruby sounds like the most reasonable answer to me.
It's not Lua. I don't think it's Lua.
My chud, son, Rust.
I was an Aida. I don't even know what Aida is to be honest with you.
Yeah, that was that was a that was chat humor not maybe I don't want to take credit for it.
uh that was good
oh man it's atta apparently okay named for lord Byron's daughter lady of love lace
okay cool cheers cheers again
what is this i'm looking i'm looking it up some object-oriented program inspired by pass scale okay
Yeah.
Wouldn't we, like before the race,
when we were talking about donation goals
and stuff a couple of weeks ago,
I remember Jet posted a screenshot of you and Scott
in DMs like five years ago,
before you like really knew Scott,
and he messaged you, cheers,
and you were like, okay.
That was before I knew the answer to cheers.
Yeah, it was none taken.
Oh man, good times,
times back in the day.
Oh, gear nut for another heroic will attack. How many do you have to do?
One or two. I think I've seen four so far today
I don't want to say that with too much confidence
But somewhere on the order of four done so far today five done yesterday
14 characters means like at most there's maybe five more to do but maybe less
Maybe we'll try and be done by lunch that might be the goal here. It's crazy because whatever
This boss launched semi-unkillable state now
Now, Liquid seems like they're pretty efficient, it's like 50% success right now a days.
Yeah, there was one a little bit ago where it's like, oh man this split is bad, we need
to change some things to make sure that this one actually can do it.
Oh, like the character's in a different bag.
Yeah, it's like, oh we're gonna miss the DPS check here, we gotta, you know, switch
somebody around, and they did that and then they killed it.
Could that have possibly been due to the fact that Nick accidentally overslept an
hour today?
It's possible, I was wondering who, so in some of the earlier runs of Twin Fang
Gold Altar, Yps was on a second character, you know, dying on Poles, so I was wondering
who was the who was the sleepyhead? Yeah, I was walking to the video at a nice bright
11am, and I see Nick there, I'm like, wait, what? Did Raid start late today? He goes,
oh no, I just overslept my alarm. So, checking on Raider Raido, I see that we have eight
kills of Heroku Latak. Okay. I don't think that's counting the one that we just
So, like, three or four minutes.
So, okay, yeah, nine total.
So, it might be nine total.
Five to go, perhaps, if they are going for one on each of their characters, which I would
not be surprised if they are.
That is the most optimal way to do this, and...
Well, so we lob, links, this go.
Yeah, links, it seems like they're not using just that one character to help all of
them now.
It seems like they just have enough geared characters and arms warriors and arcane mages
to be able to make this happen.
The Vantitrion trigger is still being pulled here on a lot of these ults, which, you
You know it does mean that they're not going to be able to necessarily use it in a mythic split or a mythic nemrisa,
which were things we were thinking the mythic nemrisa were thinking.
Yeah, it was something that was on the table on Tuesday and very quickly we got reality checked there
about the total difficulty of the heroic raid in general and then mythic nemrisa as well.
I think the longest logged pull of it is two minutes and one second, at least as of last night.
I had a minute 58.
Yeah, minute 58, not bad.
Right around there is when everybody is dying on that boss.
Now does that mean it's impossible? No, no, no, no, we don't we don't really have a great answer yet because liquid can probably kill
Yeah liquid most guilds
Haven't chosen to try it yet and a lot of the guilds that have haven't you know really seriously been like
Okay, this is a good use of our time. It's like oh, let's see if we can do this
Oh, it's a little bit harder than we thought and it's not particularly rewarding. Let's go somewhere else
We went and pulled it
Realized it was insane
It has like pretty bad one out of six myth track loot except for a trinket which is pretty good
But like it you know there are other trinkets that are also completely acceptable
So that is a boss that it's middle of the raid difficulty and the loot is not that good
If you're not running splits this season the trinket situation is in shambles if you're like hey
I have to get my trinkets from M plus. It's like a dude. I don't know you maybe maybe just where last season's
Yeah, keep that veil goers on for a while because the
The trinkets except for that murder row one which is okay are all just awful. Yeah, okay
I actually have a really important update of that people. This is not really an update. It's just like a PSA
So this is a weird bug that hopefully blizzard can fix soon
One of the bit one of the members of my guild mumsie went to craft craft a mythic piece on an alt
Oh, yeah
As you do for the splits right and then they canceled the craft because the person wasn't crafting it and the myth
Crests went to the mailbox, but they couldn't loot the myth crest out of the mailbox because they were already capped for the week
So they just lost 80 myth crests on that character.
I feel like this happened on expansion launch where you would craft and sometimes just like
Not get the right item level from the piece of gear or something ridiculous, right?
Yeah, I think somebody in my guild has this bug as well as a
Very very frustrating one. Yes, so cancel your crafts cancel your craft is the PSA. I believe yeah
Stay safe don't lose your crests. Yeah, be careful out there
But imagine if it was a positive crest going.
Yeah, there have been those in the past.
There was the, um...
The sparks.
You guys remember the ring craft and then re-craft to get the crest discount?
Oh, that was good.
Yeah.
Oops, I got the wrong stats on this.
Let me just re-craft this five minutes after I ordered this.
With what optional reagents?
Yeah, different missives this time.
Yep.
Thank you.
That was a good one.
I wonder if that still works.
Nobody crafts rings anymore.
They fixed that after, I think they fixed it in Dragonlight.
I think it's been fixed for a long time now.
I used it more within.
Okay, so I...
I think they fixed it after, maybe it was more within season one then.
Maybe, maybe.
Yeah.
They got fixed a hot minute.
At this point, like...
Yeah, it's always fun to, you know, 20 crests here or there.
You're probably gonna be able to get away with it.
400 crests, you're getting banned.
You gotta find the line somewhere, like which of these are exploits
and which of these are gonna get fixed at some point
but are not exploits, because they're not big enough.
It's so funny because WoW players have this
brain-eating worm that just says optimize.
Yeah, you must optimize everything.
Cam's was literally in the back room
asking questions about what he's supposed to do
with his gear, and I go,
dude, I don't know, I'm pretty sure you should just play
for whatever is the most fun in the immediate.
He goes, well, that would involve me
crafting a weapon right now.
I go, yeah, and then you just craft a weapon.
Like, no thoughts had empty.
You don't have to have that bug that goes optimize.
We must optimize everything.
I mean, it is important, I think,
you're in a high-end guild where you want to be like, look, don't do anything before
you start fighting hard content, but you got to realize like heroic rule of tech counts.
That is hard content.
Yeah.
You are allowed to spend a decent amount of resources to make it so you can kill this
boss.
Like you don't have to wait until week four of the patch to use your crests and sparks.
Like you should use them now so that you can kill more bosses and get more items
that way.
That is optimal as well, even though it might, you might be like, oh, I wish
I've done something differently in a few weeks time right yeah, I feel like very rarely or
People going to get punished super meanfully by making slightly suboptimal decisions with your hearing like the worst thing that you could do with your gear right now is
Crafting in a slot that you're likely to replace in some capacity
pretty pretty
Like yeah pretty in the near immediate future
Or potentially using crests myth crests on a slot that you're also likely to replace
Yeah, even if you use Herotcrest on a slot that you're like literally, obviously you don't use herotcrest on a slot
They're about to craft over like they'll do stuff like that
but
People people end up like waiting so long like if you want to make the most informed decision
The best thing that you can do is craft three weeks from now after you've seen multiple vaults and have more resets worth of gear. I
Think that too many people kind of get lost in the sauce a bit, and they don't focus on just like playing
Yeah, what you need to realize is like the optimal decision is
is often you have to figure out how much you want to discount future power versus today power right like are you willing to give up
3% power this week for
1% more power in three weeks time right yeah, and the answer that question is it depends right like you have to make that decision
There are numbers where the answer is yes, and there's numbers where the answer is no
But the right thing isn't to just look at it and be like oh
I might be 1% weaker in three weeks time therefore I shouldn't do this thing the answer is you need to you need to be like
All right, yes, I think it is worth it to, you know, drop 3% power now and gain 1% power in three weeks.
But do it deliberately, do it with intention, and don't just do it because you don't want to feel bad in a couple of weeks time.
Well, there's also certain things you can do from like a guild standpoint, right?
And this is normally like a higher end guild thing, but like, let's say one of the things you're holding out for is,
okay, I'm not sure I want to craft a staff this week because what if the dagger from Ulitec drops?
Right.
If you're in a high end guild, you probably know who that dagger is going to get.
Yeah, exactly. You can do it as a team. You can figure out, like, okay, this person's getting this item, this person's second priority for it, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, so like, if you know you're like fifth in line in Pryo for that item, and you're probably not going to be courting that boss, you're probably okay to craft this item.
We determined in our guild, like, the only bad decision was to not craft this week. Like, that was like, oh yes, the only bad decision actually is to just not craft at all.
Yeah, I mean, there are a lot of different options this week that I know people have been considering. Some folks considering delaying the craft.
Oh, that's a viper.
Viper.
Next week, yeah, one Viper.
You wiped for that?
OK, so Petriang Sting is going to go out.
He's going to jump Petri-V.
Petriang?
100 to 0.
Yeah, there it is.
It looks like it's been saved on Shack, though.
He's not dead, OK.
Yeah, it looks like maybe there's like a large healing absorb on it.
Yeah, it's a massive healing absorb.
OK, but yeah, nothing else going on during that,
and now they're able to get back over to Ulitec.
Viper taken care of.
But yeah, not great.
Shouldn't be prohibitive for them being able to kill it on this pole.
As they've all gotten stunned that's gonna be a problem. Oh
Hmm, so it was not funnel. So I think was that stunned because the ads were still alive during the
Like did they live too long is that was that what happened there? Maybe I don't know actually
That was tough. That's a nasty one probably because the Viper spawned so it's set in motion a
Cascade of problems. That's okay. That's just is probably an egg that somebody failed to pick up
We just left on one of the sides and then eventually hatched.
I also like how if they're not targeting the heart they have the wrong target, the angry,
like the upset hopeful picture.
Yeah, that is a great one.
Oh, the one with the frowny face.
Yeah, where he's like so upset with whatever's going on.
Yeah, you know the one.
Oh, yeah, the power infusion one.
Yes.
Well, if you guys want something equally as nice as power infusion, you guys can
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Yeah, this is the this race jersey. I think it's a nice one. We've got the
Lulutek line art. I think the line art style is so well. I'm always a big fan of the hoodies
That's the that's always my strat is get it try to get as many hoodies as possible. You should collect in hoodies
Yeah, yeah, I have like 40 hoodies
It's tough. It's like I like that. I like the odd on them, but realistically, I'm not gonna wear any
I've got so many already.
What are you going to do?
The hoodie is the go-to for me.
I think the mouse pads are my favorite to collect.
Look, my mouse pads, sometimes get so spilled on them, it happens.
And they get kind of grimy and gross.
You can't, well, at that point you have to throw them away and get the new mouse pad.
And thankfully, every tier, we've got a new mouse pad available.
And this tier's one is really good.
You can see it's kind of hard to make out there in the very bottom left.
You can see that mouse pad.
It's this like line art, but it's white lines on a black background
That's what it feels like to that's actually how I feel when it when the first sip of monster energy hits my tongue in the morning
That's exactly what happens on my vision
Yeah, the desk out of the bottle left is insanely cool. I actually like that art style
The t-shirt in the top middle is also a big big favorite of mine. You were in that one the other day
Yeah, yeah, I got to I stole that as well. So I hope that I hope that was mine to steal
I hope mine did mine too. It is now mine
Unless I get very yelled at I will be keeping that one now
I was looking at the shirts they gave us and I'm like, I didn't have that one in my collection
Yeah, thank you don't mind if I do
That's how I felt with the Winners merch last time. I was on the desk whenever Liquid won and I just had the Winners merch, I was like, this is it.
No fun if we do.
I don't know if I was supposed to keep that, but you know, it's now currently in my house.
You know, if it's really important, they'll let you know, and otherwise, you know, that's forgiveness, not permission.
Exactly, it's a t-shirt.
Yeah, that's TL.GG slash RWF. That's the spot to go for all your Team Liquid apparel, hoodies, shirts, custom jerseys, and much more again, the mousepad.
Big winner. They've been out of here with the Jersey designs lately. Yeah, I've been loving them
I like the I like the white. I think the white is like a
Big favorite of mine. I like the I really love the like black line or black
Background white line is that yeah that goes crazy. I think
Something that's nice about the TL apparel is that gamer apparel has a tendency to kind of
Be from a bygone era. Let's say where it's like the it's like a tar and it's like
don't talk to me I'm gaming right and it's just kind of corny graphic t-shirts
or whatever what doesn't kill you gives you x stuff like that right but the
tl apparel is stuff that you won't feel uncomfortable wearing to the grocery
store
and he discount codes for that site no I don't think they're gonna be discounting
something they just released sorry bud I pause my game to be here that was the
That was the iconic classic, yeah
That's like that's like peak middle school graphic jersey things you guys are talking about. Yeah
Yeah
We're gonna get TL to make a version of those for next year like a you putting you know like ironically, right?
So I paused my read to be here. No mom. I can't pause it. It's a multiplayer game
That would be a good line to put on a shirt
Maybe you should stick to your day job.
No, no, no, look. That would go crazy. I bet that would be a top seller.
Probably sell equal amounts to the Kalamazee THD face t-shirt.
How did that one sell?
Poorly.
Oh, really? No?
Just as well as you'd expect.
Sorry, Kalamazee's artistic interpretation of THD's face on a t-shirt.
Yeah, it was beautiful.
It was, it was a work of art.
Sometimes the thing about art though,
great art is it's not appreciated in its time.
Like Van Gogh, nobody liked any of his art when he was alive
and then once he died, it all started to get popular.
I suspect that the THD face art
might undergo a similar evolution.
I have it on good authority that there are some tribes
that are scattered out throughout the world
that now have THD's face on a T-shirt.
Similar in a similar vein to wearing the-
It's a paid-jerk super bowl one from that year
where everybody thought they were gonna win.
They overprinted all those shirts and they were like undefeated.
The 07 Pats?
Yeah, they got it to the Super Bowl that they lost.
That's OK.
They won it back when they came back against the Falcons.
It's all good.
17-1, baby.
You can't be talking bad about a founding member of the BV5
like that live on broadcast.
That's right.
He's still asleep.
He probably is still asleep.
Yeah, you can get away with it.
He's going to show up at like 3 PM
and be like, oh, stop it.
No, I think he's on the next shift.
So he's got an early shift for him of the two instead of the five.
Yeah, he was saying last night, he's like, oh, I got to go to bed early.
I've got to be in at two, not five.
I'm just sitting here having to get in at 10 every morning.
Like, well, OK, you have subjected yourself to this.
Historically, you haven't had to get here at two every morning.
Treadness, for some reason, it decided that any day that ends in Y.
Got a raid, baby.
They are raiding on it.
Got to try and win by BlizzCon.
Although at this rate I think it's like trying to win by Christmas and we're still going to have to raid 7 days for that.
This is looking like a generational tier.
The 7 day a week raid schedule is going crazy.
Here's the thing, once you're raiding 6 days it's like, what's one more?
What's the 7th at that point?
What's the real difference between 6 and 7 when you think about it?
Right, exactly.
Both of them instantly hit DMO by the way, when that happens.
Yeah, chat's going to fill up in 3 seconds.
With that one as well
Did we change our six seven emotin chat by the way because it used to be the frog and
Then on my on my phone app. It's it's the cat doing the emote. Oh, oh, which one is it right?
I don't know
I often find myself on these like unlogged in twitch chats where you just see the emote name and you just
Don't know what it actually looks like. Yeah, I know Ben for the longest time would always have that in the stream
We're just like you have people managing his treatment adding the emotes, but he doesn't actually see any of them
Oh, yeah, that's me. That's me most of the time. Yeah, you really don't see them
Yeah, you just see the word so he doesn't know what they what the emote. Oh, why are you guys saying?
No, you know like he understands what's going on, but he just doesn't actually know them gotcha
Yeah, I think he just uses chatter, you know and like doesn't actually have seven TV installed on it
Yeah, there's a I have people who like will just add emotes to my channel
I do see them as the difference here, and I just show up and I'm like what what is this?
Yeah, hopeful has actually the most cursed 7 TV emotes of all time which ones he got
Is I'm gonna pause because I don't want to say it on broadcast. I'll show you later. Okay, I know exactly what you're saying
It's probably okay to say. Oh, please. Well, I don't want to say no cuz you didn't say
interesting, that's okay. You can tell me later. They're cooked. I
I know there was the time where there was the meta of Joel the fish there was in increasingly long-winded situations
You've got Joel teaching a son Joel how to spin while wide Boris walks by yeah, I was a remote. I
Think we still have that one. I noticed that gamer gamer chop was removing some 70 vmotes today
I'll have to take a look and see if some acceptable ones were removed from the channel
Oh, yeah, I mean if it creates space for new ones as well, you know, yeah, I'm change
I'll have to audit those. Some might need to be added back, because I noticed there was a Joel variant that was removed.
Yeah, sometimes it's tough because it's great emote, you liked it, nobody used it in six months.
We've got a limited slots for these things. Keep it moving.
I don't know if you have limited slots for 70 view.
I don't know about limit, we've got a thousand slots.
Yeah, there's a lot of emotes out there you want.
Oh yeah. Joel but my windows XP is crashing, that's classic.
I think TFT has by far the best 70 view emote.
Yeah, that's the best emotemate a game of any guys by cutscene. I think oh my god. That's a cutscene is so good
Cuz it's like such a relatable experience the first time you play TFD
So if you were playing when they added that first cutscene death, yeah
Yeah
I was like not a fan of the you know
Obviously it's like frustrated to get killed by the cutscene
But then because everybody is so mad by it's like, okay, I gotta get myself a cutscene thing
It's just like it's just so funny to cause people to react that way. They're just getting increasingly longer. Yeah
You know, it's funny because I've actually gone the other way with the meta
I actually don't like using cutscene once because like I can't do the end of my turn
Yeah, you get you get stunned for a few seconds. Yes
You cutscene yourself. Yeah, well some phone percent this burn should be easy as long as we don't randomly have everyone
Yeah, a little cosmetic cutscene for Liquid as well as they're gonna absolutely melt this thing
It's gonna be some 10% before the burn starts. This is not gonna be anywhere close to close
The most that they've done is like 16 or so. Yeah, this is just all kinds of over here
This is gonna be the fastest, I think of their splits in terms of getting this venomous heart killed
20 second burn window of which they're gonna use barely half. Alright show us a dagger. I
I don't even know if they want the dagger well, I mean it's pretty late, but like oh my god there it is
There it is. Yep, it's and the acurean reliquary and the venomous art double heart and it looks like a chest piece as well
Always a good thing to see is that I think it's a male chest piece
I think this is about as good as it could have been. Yeah, not bad. I was like double. Oh the bow as well
Right. Okay. Yeah, this could be a really good hunter
Infusion as well that bow on heroic is better than a mythic crafted bow
Yeah, that that bow I think is 15% damage gain or something just like absurd. Yeah, it's a
That is a top 10. Don't mind if we do moment
okay, that's
The question is sometimes you get these great loot pools and then it's like oh
That guy already has a main and you're like won't want that's a that could be a bad that's the mythic split guy
Then yeah, you know it does help it if they do mythic splits, which
I'm hoping it's all a Psyop, you know, a Pumpfake, trick the other Guilds thingy you're about to go into Mythic Splits and then bang, work first.
That's what I'm hoping, but I think that might be some cope at this point.
That was an insane loot pool. I don't know if it could get much better.
Well, I deserve for such a clean and fast kill as well.
Double Trinket, very rare dagger, bow, chest piece, necklace.
necklace and a gearbane reliquary yeah which is like wow that necklace very
powerful it's changed from the version that launched this at the start of this
week dude at the start of this week that was a crit necklace with a crit proc and
now it is an all-stat necklace with a it procs a random stat and then drains
your other three they brought back the arcana crystal on yeah it's a yeah or
pride as the the like overstat budget necklace thing although I guess doesn't
have the shield defensive component that made pride has so good oh my
bring back legion bring me back to pride I'm in I mean I'm bringing back legion
that I've never been more addicted to World of Warcraft than I was in Legion
pride as was that really just something dude I don't know something about that
entire expansion while there was stuff that was like really cringe I think
artifact knowledge especially whenever at first launch the fact that I leveled
three days late I was always behind one level artifact knowledge that was dumb
that's tough but there was like it is genuinely like there is no more
Addicting feeling than Legion for me. Yeah, it was just injected straight into my veins and I was like, oh, yes
Eight more hours every single day. I wake up. I'd play eight hours and I'd be like tomorrow
I cannot wait to play World of Warcraft tomorrow. I cannot wait to play eight more hours tomorrow
I am having a good time. The thing about Legion that I remember most is
After Emerald nightmare right before trial of valor. Yeah, I think it was right before trial of our might have been right after
It was like it was like November ish
There was this like general community sentiment that there was something wrong with the legendary drop
Yeah, it's like I got my fourth legendary and I just can't get a fifth one
What's going on blizzard, but there were a couple people who'd gotten like their fifth and sixth legendary
So like no there's nothing wrong here, but then there was a blue post
It's like yeah, there was something wrong with the legendary system
That's significantly lowered your drop chance of a legendary past four and everyone was like no way
They actually bugged it that was so so the people that had the fifth and the sixth one
They benefited from a positive bug on Legion launch.
Yeah.
If you leveled quick enough, and then you started doing N-Zeroes immediately,
you would almost like first boss you killed get a legendary drop.
That was hotfix almost immediately on expansion launch,
but those legendaries didn't count against the BLP.
Yeah, it was like good luck protection.
Yeah.
You were pretty likely to find your first and second legendary,
and then your third and fourth, you were okay,
but after you had four, it was very unlikely you would get another one.
Correct.
And that was very frustrating if your first four legendaries didn't include a best in slot one.
Even though there were parts of the game that were frustrating, and I'm sure from like a min-max perspective, it was kind of annoying.
I really just had so much fun because it was new, it was novel, and it was like really...
That stuff part is like, if you re-release that exact same system today, I think we'd have a lot less fun with it because I think we would be playing it pretty differently, knowing how to optimize it.
Yeah, it was pretty frustrating.
It's tough because I just had so much fun, but at the same time, everything was broken.
I think that's kind of the important thing is, because everything was so broken, it felt like you weren't, you know, really worrying about, like, trying to optimize the entire world.
We also played very, like, games differently in 2026 than we did in 2016.
I mean, there were some guilds that were playing, that were already playing it pretty optimized back then that were, you know, had a lot of those people had a...
Fragments did keep leveling a Demon Hunter until you got anger at the half-giant.
Elite Demon Hunter. Level a new one, because you can only have one. Level a new one. Like, it was so stupid.
Yeah, that was the sort of thing that you had to do if you were, you know, going for World First back then. Super seriously.
Yeah, then they got rewarded with Emerald Nightmare, which died at 21 hours.
I will say, I did almost quit over having to farm my weapon to 54 right before Nightfall.
Oh, yeah, because otherwise you got one shot by Croesus.
I had to do that in a pug. Like, I joined a new guild and I wasn't really integrated into the guild at all.
And while they were farming 54 in their friend groups,
I wasn't really integrated into the friend circles.
So the thing that I'd have to do
was I'd have to farm mob souls in LFG,
and that was, I almost quit.
That was bad.
I think it's always an important sign for a guild
is if somebody new joins,
are they gonna be able to get to do any mythic blasts
or are they gonna have to plug it?
That's a useful litmus test.
My guild's actually been making a lot of use
of the new Discord Guild chat integration.
Oh, the Guild chat Discord integration.
Yeah, that one, even though they install flock cameras into your Discord,
we use it a lot in terms of being able to get people integrated into our Discord.
Yeah, to log on as well, if they're somebody's around, but not online.
Like, hey, can anybody want to do a key?
I ain't given Blizzard my info.
We all start typing in our in the Guild Chat channel for Mythic Plus now, because of that.
Maybe I should, maybe I should connect mine.
There's still a few holdouts in my guild that haven't connected their accounts yet.
Yeah, there was some Warlock who was asking people for Meta-Plus runs in the Naio.
Hey, this guy, I literally typed over him because he doesn't have his thing linked.
I just typed the exact same message that he typed like 20 seconds prior.
Sounds like something a Vade wouldn't do. He would definitely not connect.
Very holdout.
Thoughts?
Yeah, yeah.
Well, that guy doesn't trust the system.
Yeah, who would?
That guy's opposed to the man.
There was a season where he didn't do MDI because it was an in-person finals, right?
And he didn't want to go to it.
Yeah.
That dude will not be seen in person.
Love him, though.
Historically, whenever I asked Avae, like, why does he need to do the MBI, he always says
kind of the same answer.
No teams are good at, like, that ask him to join are good enough, and he would only
ever want to dedicate time to a team that is going to win.
Yeah.
I respect it.
Which is completely valid.
Avae, of course, briefly in this guild, and then, even after he was not in this
guild, he was back in for Lord's of Dread.
Just whenever he thought he was out, he was back in.
Just when I try and get out they pull me back in did he shows up sporadically. He was also written in a meter, so yeah
Yeah, the crazy thing about evade is like he's someone who's so good at the game that I'm pretty sure if you ask max
Like I think evade actually has like an open invite to the guild
And if he wanted to he could probably only do like four or five care
Kim and bit him and Ben are him and Ben are kind of a couple yeah off where it's like
It's something like you don't want to you don't want to do 14 characters
But you also don't want to join the guild and be like hey
I'm the guy who gets the special don't have to do the alt pass. That's why he hasn't taken him up on
Yeah, he just doesn't want to feel weird about being the only guy that's a little bit. That's I mean that's
The reason that him and Ben aren't playing yeah, it is like they see the amount of characters and they go
I'm happy when not that especially Ben given that he's also the best in the world at path of exile and able to just you know
Anytime there's no overlap between the two the lore apparently there was lore where he was about to come back for void
Spire and then they then he got told 20 characters and he goes. Oh, oh god
Absolutely not good luck with that. I'll cheer for you
Hold the sidelines again. Get me out of there
I'm gonna he did a sponsored wild stream when when midnight came out
And he was on the game for three hours got halfway into the first zone and all right sponsor stream up log out. I'm out of here
Back on PUE. It's funny because if he
Most right when the Mirage late came out, right? So that was a that was a good league
If you joined the if you if you join back in the guild him or yips could reasonably play both tank or DPS
Yep and being on every single boss consistently. Yeah, like 100% those
There's so good every single spectrum
Yeah, yeah, yep. So I first saw him as a warlock back in Legion and then I have a jara
I saw a clip of him. He was a pretty popular youtuber back in Mista Pandaria playing feral druid in arena in arena
Yeah, and he got like 15,000 subscribers on YouTube,
took a, actually joined the OG limit
and then took a break from the game for a little while, right?
Yeah, then in Legion,
who was on his warlock in Ivajara,
just doing his fish and then he just like,
his eyes go wide.
He's like, my fish.
And he just like runs away.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
He had fish in the oven
and he just forgotten about it and there were.
So presumably he like started smelling it.
It was something about like the way he said it.
My phish, and then he was like literally just like,
you can hear like the nose, like it's railing out as you go.
Oh, speaking of the ups, by the way,
we have an update to the,
to those who've been following along,
what he currently is.
Couple days ago, he woke up and said, I am the hot dog.
Okay.
His discord name also has been, I was the window update.
Today he fell out of the window.
Oh.
And lip has also had the window closed in his face,
according to their discord names.
Okay.
If you're keeping an eye on the window, Saga, there's a lot going on right now.
That is good to know. Thanks for the update.
Yeah, the chat needs to know.
A couple more Vantage Runes being used here.
So I think that was their 10th rule attack that we just saw?
Possibly 11th?
Something like that, yeah.
So now we're looking at maybe 11 or maybe 12.
Remember, 14 characters, the number here.
So that's probably the number of rule attacks as well.
We could be closing in.
Success so nearly in view.
Yeah, I asked a close affiliate of the guild how many more will attacks and the answer was I don't know maybe four
So maybe yeah, we're right on pace. I think
so I
Guess the question then is if this is the last of the heroic splits
What next because certainly they're not going straight into mythic
There's certainly so much horse they need to get done beforehand, right?
I think mythic could happen. You think so mythic plus. Yeah
It's a mythic difficulty
If you think about it, it's a plus or the mythic actually.
Yeah, it's even more.
You know, you're doing these bosses on M0 or you could go do Murder Row on a plus 10.
That's way harder.
Alright, it's time for the Poll of the Day, brought to you by Next Gen America,
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You guys will be voting between Ashbringer, Frostmourne, Thunderfury,
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Dratnus, which one is your favorite out of all these?
Interesting, so for Frostmourne, you can't actually use in-game, that's like just Arthur's weapon.
There's Shadowmourne, which is the one, the axe version that you can craft,
that got some of the same power. And there's the two, the FrostDK artifact weapon, which is like
the bits of Frostmourne, which are both great as well.
Is this Ashbringer or is this Corrupted Ashbringer?
Ashbringer is like a really cool weapon.
Yeah, I'm assuming this is like pure Ashbringer.
Okay, I think yeah, like Legion ret artifact Ashbringer. Yeah. Yeah, I think I'd rank Ashbringer is my top choice of these
God, they're all so iconic. I mean even theory has the particle physics when you like spinner
It does bro the the MDI players, especially the Chinese
It's under fury ballwork
And then we have a tie. Oh wait what frostborn and warglaze of Azanoth. Oh, wow
Wow.
That is crazy.
Are we going to do a runoff?
A lot of Wreckful viewers there.
What do we do?
With the Warglaze of Azanoth voting.
Yeah, I think we're going to runoff.
All right.
Yeah, so we're going to be voting between Frostmourne and the Warglaze of Azanoth.
That's right.
Which one did you guys pick between the two of these?
Ah, between...
Okay, I'm going Frostmourne.
Okay.
It's iconic.
I think back to the Wrath cinematic where you've got to, he just like hits the
pose with the Frostmourne.
The T-pose.
Yeah, it starts aura farming in the middle of Northrend.
I think Glaives, I think the classic, like, wreck full screenshot that everyone uses in their profile pic.
Dude. What do you do? You got to break the tie.
I'm a little defrost for the...
I bet the Blizzard Cinematics team, whenever they made that cinematic all the way back in 2008,
were definitely thinking, oh yeah, the Lich King, he's mogging all of the people.
He is aura farming right now.
He is definitely sword mogging everybody.
It is crazy out there.
He's a
Yeah, Scourge max thing. Oh, it's really close
It is unbelievably close 51% to 49% 101 to 97
Oh my god, he's trying to get it.
It's a game where the Warglaives of Azenoth chat is voting. You've got about 15 seconds left chat
These are these are really cool. I've heard the the wreckfuls like the wreckful profile picture is an iconic one
Yeah, it's just classic. It's a classic. I mean now the Warglaives
are very special.
Bro, he PVP with the Warglades on, like, in Tarath of the Lich King just for Aura, absolute
victory just for Aura.
It's within three.
Wild Frostborn with the last second.
Frostborn ahead 135 to 192.
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That's right.
Also, Garrosh for Warchief.
Get him back in there.
Things have only gone downhill since then.
Zul'jin is my Warchief.
That was a good time.
Yeah.
War Chief still. Yeah, that was a... that was also a good era. I mean listen. What's
a bad era? Oh we got a Viper again. That's like... I think the council we've got right
now is uh... I'm kind of over it. You're anti-oligarchy. Let's get a dictator back in charge
of the Horde. That thing's interesting once again. Listen, some would say Sylvanas was
not a good War Chief, but remember the BFA cinematic that was gone when she hits
the For the Horde and the Banshee's Cream? Yeah. That was so sick. That was the
the only good part of the shadow is that it was probably the best for yeah the
that was the BFA in Joe yeah yeah oh you're talking about the yeah when she
when she went away that cracks the crown at the start of the shadow and
shadow that's why I thought yeah yeah no no no BFA where her versus and doing
right and it would hits the for the Alliance and like Rez's people yeah
bubble yeah she hits the banshee scream for the horror that was sick
Chills yeah, it was sick. It was sick. I miss full gen bring him back bro. Mm-hmm
Full gen not to be confused. This is old gen right or is old Jan or John or a different one that we've got here in Zuljara the
Leader of Zuljara's forces the renowned track that we grind in this tier
What's going on with Slovanos by the way we kind of like just saw her ma
She's a well though. We saw her for two seconds in the March of Caledon us. Yeah, and now she's gone again
Like she's back in the mall. What gives she's back in the mall. Yeah, she took a break from her dailies and we saw
She was at the cry of the cosmos wasn't she as well. No, that was Eurya. Oh, yeah, but she showed up in the
And March on Caledon us briefly
Okay
Yeah, like Zaltath was about to get Eurya and then she showed she showed up sorry forgive my ignorance
Why are people mad about the war right now?
Because I saw people really really mad about it and to be more important. I think I don't know. Yeah
I think there were some people that were not happy with the Zuljans character arc and you know demise here in this raid
What spoilers I think also the
The fact that they're sort of this you know, we're in this like saga supposed to be an overarching story in this this patch much like
11.1 feels like a pretty
side-questy type thing while the fate of the world is, you know, in balance and in the balance,
you know, Zalatap's out there doing important things that we should be trying to stop and we've
got to go do this instead. Yeah. Personally, I don't care too much about the lore. Just put
the boss in front of me and let me kill him for loot. That's been my favorite. What the snake
in the bag? It's just weird because I feel like the the lore heads have been really mad
about the lore for a while now.
Yeah well the problem is if you're getting the information about what lore people think from Twitter
Yeah.
Imagine if you only got your information about what raiders think from what you read about the raid on Twitter, right?
Okay yeah, you know what?
There are a lot of well-adjusted people who enjoy the lore of the game
and they are not posting on Twitter.
You can't be well-adjusted and post on Twitter.
That platform is a rage bait.
Yeah, a pure rage bait. I love it so much.
I cannot escape.
Dude, it literally just makes...
Reading that plot reading Twitter for more than five minutes at a time makes me incredibly upset. So I have to turn it off
I love it. I like it's like going to the zoo man. You just see all these all this. It's like it's so interesting
Oh, I deleted it off my phone and I only ever use it on like in browser
And I if I never used it in browser again, it would probably still be too soon
He's got a maximum as your whimsy maxing, you know
You just got to curate your feed to where everything you see makes you go, oh that's kind of funny.
Yeah.
I can stuff I'm not looking for all the time on there.
Yeah, if you're using the 4U algorithm instead of the following algorithm, it can be a little bit sketchy.
It is egregious, yeah.
Yeah.
Alright, so we saw them reset this pull a little bit in, or the previous pull.
They got a viper.
With this split, yeah.
Oh, yeah, they spawned a viper, so that was a...
It's for funnel.
it's for funnel it's good it's funnel for lemur disco yeah no arms warriors on
the meter just yet but don't worry he's ramping yeah we'll fix that soon is that
troll also on an arms warrior get to this to this run we're at troll troll
wolf disco I think she might even be on a warrior as well oh it's sad day for
Feral Druids everywhere. Shea is on the warrior.
Yeah.
Yeah, Shea, Trill, Atlas Wally was in the guild.
All occupied this kind of spot where it's like,
Hey, I'm the Windwalker main. Hey, I'm the Feral Druid main.
Most tiers I go up, do splits, and then help.
So we've seen Wall Life, Impec, Shea, Trill.
Who else has a Warrior?
Oh, Wolf Disco, of course. So there's five players that have Warriors.
Yep, that sounds like a good number of warriors to have access to I
I mean looking at the damage meters on this fight
I could see a world where you actually run five arms
You should always make Scott reroll. Yeah true
or yips
Yeah, it's over
It is uh, you know
Stranger things have happened look
Nothing can usurp that time that Zevi accidentally crafted the wrong weapon on his Mistweaver
Monk, and then the guild just decided that he's playing Windwalker in on every single
fight.
Yeah, and then he topped the meters too.
Yeah.
That happens in my guild as well, it's like whenever we make a healer play DPS they just
always do top damage.
We're like, oh yeah, these guys are just better than us, we're so glad they play with
us.
Despite not getting...
It's not like, tasty.
It's just, by the last time he's done that too, right, because Zevi has played
healer but then swapped to DPS. He did it on Jailor as well. I played Moonkin on Jailor.
I don't know where. Yeah. Liberation of Undermind had a lot of this where you'd play Moonkin
on sticks and you'd play Shadow Priest on Bandit and of course Miss Reaver swapping
a Windwalker for Mugsy. A lot of opportunities for those healers to really flex on everybody.
Who was the healer that topped DPS that tier? G. Shield's Moonkin was in my guild
I'm sticks. Oh putting everybody out in the dirt. That guy is really good. I'm not. Yeah
Dude, what is hopeful doing right now?
He's just doing like
60k more than everyone. He's on he's on an iconic character local singles in your area
Local singles in time. We must have some uh some fairly under geared arms warriors in this run is all I gotta say
Like where were those warriors at I guess we'll see that maybe starting to show up on the eighth and ninth right now
Yeah, maybe during the during the burn. I can I can see like on a on a side monitor that we have
THD is literally just like not showing the correct slots
And he says he's only showing top seven and then always show yourself right we do not see Limer disco and angry Aussie
The players that's gonna be sure
That's gotta be sure
Wait comes the next rage of the shackled cast
So this is a very interesting
Mechanic as well for 20 seconds. You've got the venomous heart and the venomous heart and Uletek share damage
And they're both targetable and the venomous heart is taking double damage. Oh hopefuls getting PI
I would explain it. Yeah, it's a good time to PI an arcane mage
Let me tell you this is where they shine dude the boss. I'm seeing a warrior starting to show up
But yeah, why seventh right now 38% of the boss coming out of that heartburn is insane. They're blasting
Yeah, that Arcane Mage is doing something incredible. The Rogue playing assassination as well, not subtlety and still near the top.
Oh my gosh, the car- XL has a rogue named Binz Rogue.
Yeah, yeah. He's got the like, the big names.
He's got Binz Rogue, he's got JP Clone. That's one of his worlds characters.
That's a Kiryu Chopper.
Kiryu Chopper.
Yep.
Jungroen Fan.
A big fan of Jungroen. That guy has broccoli here.
Did I remember last year coming into the raid, Exile was insanely addicted to Valheim.
He was like, stream-sad.
Oh, yeah.
He was like, he was so mad about how many characters that I'm doing because all he wanted to do
was log out and play Valheim and he just got subjected to M0.
He's had like 15 runs of hardcore Valheim and not really gotten that far in any of the
He literally went down so early and just lose everything.
That guy is kind of a master of all games. He's also really good at Final Fantasy.
Yeah, he was doing Kefka with Seville and a few other world players.
Yeah.
Nano.
Obviously very well known in Path of Exiles as well.
Yeah, very well known as the second best Path of Exiles player.
Yeah.
But you have heard of me.
Yeah, unfortunately the gap between everyone else and Ben is a little bit too large.
He is one of the few people that can beat Ben in events.
He has, and he has won it.
Yeah, he has beaten him.
It's literally just been exile and I think Steel Mage won one.
Yes.
And that's kind of it.
In Path of Exile 1, Path of Exile 2, Exile, I think maybe better than that, has definitely played more of it.
Yeah, unfortunately Exile was unable to win either of the two races in Path of Exile 2 that it was able to play for.
Yeah, there was one that was like yesterday, but of course he was busy.
He's busy doing this.
He's busy now.
So he'll have to probably...
We got a Viper in the back here.
He was in one race.
Worrying.
Oh, did the Ed get hit by a wave?
Yeah, it got hit by a wave seconds before it was killed.
And I think that might mean they can't get it killed off rather quickly here.
It's loose.
It could be in some trouble.
I think?
Yeah, maybe it's already gotten that cast off.
It just petrifies people, right?
Yeah.
Okay, yeah.
That was like a single target petrify.
Yeah, alright, so we're okay.
All good.
Maybe.
But I mean, there's so far ahead on boss damage, even with two dead.
I think it's so feasible here. We're gonna get one more battle res here in 27 seconds. Wemer disco and angry Aussie are
Yep, we're showing up. It's fine time. The Warriors are unlocked. We're in execute
Yeah, angry Aussie right now, you know near the near the bottom of the meter
But that is of course for when you translate that to Australian is the top of the damage meter. Yes. Yeah
Good point. Yeah
So yeah warrior, not as a nerf it at this point. Yeah, I think the meters
Oh didn't get that didn't quite get
So that is going to be a thg dying and getting instantly resed
Considering whether or not you should be taking it at this way. Oh, are you permissed on it's it is a like one minute?
This is the reason to take this right. Okay. Yeah, it's persisting through death. Oh my goodness. Yeah, he's just he's dead and that is evil I
Know who designed that mechanic? Yeah
There is one particular developer who is very, very fond of things that CC you for extended
period of some time, that is their bit.
Having a loss of control effect in a raid or a dungeon boss is infuriating.
That is tough indeed.
15% is the mark we want to hit to see a good chance of a kill and I think we're going
to be significantly below that as long as most of the raid can stay alive.
This isn't like boppable, right?
No, I don't think so.
Yeah, I can't imagine we can bop out of the stun.
Just use every man for himself.
Yeah.
That'll work. Probably not.
Try it out.
Imagine you show up in PvP trinkets with his boss.
Oh my... No, I cannot imagine PvP trinkets are terrible.
Why did he just decline the res?
Look at him, he stuns. He's dead and stunned.
You would still be stunned if he took the res.
It's on debuff, it's on him for another 2 minutes on the top right.
I think that, is that the sated one?
Oh that might be sated, okay.
Yeah, yeah.
It's sated up.
It's done, it looks like it's permanent.
Yeah, it does look like it's permanent.
Here's the amp.
Alright, 11% as we start the raid to the shackled.
So, it should be killable here, but we have lost Shea, that's one of our warriors.
That's not a good sign.
Nick down as well, that's a healer, it's okay.
Anarchy and impact also though, down.
3% though, they're still well ahead of this damage check.
All good.
4 seconds left.
And they're able to still smoke this one by half. Everybody been alive. This would probably have been their fastest kill as it stands
So one of the faster ones the loot no very rare pretty bad actually two fonts of venomous rage
Triple chest. Okay, the font of venomous rage is an interesting one, right? That trinket
It doesn't seem especially well compared to the really chase trinkets
It's still fine, but I think it actually would be really good on the Damage amps here. Sure on
on all of that okay if you think about it what are the best tickets i can have
for
the coiled alters burn
will attack spurn
the font probably overperforms it's him somewhat dramatically yeah i do think
this
loot it's double hat triple chest is like all you got a full house right
just a lot
that's what you never want to put her hand as your as your little all
that's all yeah that's
will call this a wash and i'll move on to the next one why you do what's
right if you don't just let's this could just be your loot for the week
You could, if you're doing all attack once, you could get this loot and somebody else could get
Very rare necklace necklace
Trinket trinket trinket trinket
If we kill the boss in one of our two splits and see this loot, we're gonna be really upset
Yeah, really mad
That's an if we kill this boss because that's not looking like a
Oh, it's not