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Hello, hello, everybody, and good morning. Welcome back to the Team Liquid Race World
First. My name is Aya. I'm here with Jatnus and Atlas. We've got a lot to cover this morning,
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at ggslash donate if you'd like to check that out. Exciting news this morning. Yep. Method.
That's right. Out of nowhere. Out of nowhere. Out of left field. Yeah. First world first in eight
years for Method. Any of the bosses? Yeah. Really? Oh right. I think they deserve their flower. The
last time was when they won in Eternal Palace. Right. Queen Izara. Yes. Wow. In a minute.
All amazing. All right. Well congratulations to them. I know that they are streaming live
right now but in the meantime we can take a look at our own boss progress and kind of where we are
in the race. You can see us on the leaderboard there we are three out of eight currently right
now with instant dollars and that Chinese Guild there was that still water still?
Not sure. I'm not sure. That's the new hot pot hero I'm not sure either but
it is method liquid ends of dollars and the Chinese Guild currently right now in the
the leaderboard and we're in Vashnik or maybe we're deep in the middle part of
mythic splits lost in the sauce as someone say yeah it seems like most of the top
guilds are choosing to do mythic splits even outside of the race world first a
lot of the top 20 have looked at the amount of time left in the week and
have decided that mythic splits are the play here and the interesting
question is going to be one will Liquid and Echo be able to add Vashnik
to their splits. And then two, how many splits are Liquid Echo and Method going to be able
to get done by the end of the week, right? How many characters are we going to be able
to get through these first three or four bosses of Mythic? Because, you know, the more you
can do, the more bosses and the more characters, right? You kind of multiply that together.
That's how much loot you get. And that's the main thing this week. Vashnik, an
11 pull boss for Method. Definitely an impressive feat for them to take it down. But hopefully
something that we can now replicate in our splits because it turns out the
strat on that boss is pretty, it's not very technically intensive. Method found a
very clever way to just ignore the hard part of the fight which is a great
strategy to use on any boss that you can. Yeah, I imagine they'll add it in
into their splits. Yeah. At the later part today I would assume they're just
probably gonna breeze through these first three in as many groups as they
possibly can you know secure as much loot as they possibly can and with
any leftover time they'll either do like some variation of mythic plus or spend
the time needed to get bashing down in their individual groups and see how
many they can get in. Nimrissa is the other question mark for me, it's still in
a very hard state and it's not in a particularly rewarding state. It drops
myth one out of six loot and its difficulty is much more comfortable I
would say to a boss that drops myth three out of six loot but it might still
be the best use of time towards the end of the reset for some attempts to
go into that one. I think, though, that, yeah, you'd have to do that after Vashnik. That
was something you could do then. But maybe it's better than doing the final
refinements of Mythic Bloss.
Yeah, it'd probably be like a spillover thing, you know, like they finished all of their
first threes, they added Vashnik into as many groups as they felt was feasible, they
went through as many of those as they could, they have literally nothing else to do,
they're like, all right, let's go fight the lair boss for a little bit and see if
we can get Trinket or something on the casters.
Yeah, that's the thing, the loot's so bad. It's only the Trinket is the actual
item you care about from there. And then everything else is just crest saves and crest syncs, which
are something, but if you're running enough splits that go 4 out of 8, it doesn't matter,
you're going to have crest syncs to use already.
How's your guys' own progression going?
Ah, touchy subject! Oh, I'm so sorry.
Yeah, we choked.
You don't want to talk about it.
No, I'll talk about it. My guild's a 12-hour guild, so we finished our raid week
last night and on our very, very last bullet for Rook,
we went at that point, 7%.
So big heartbreaker, yeah.
But it's all good in the grand scheme of things,
it doesn't really matter.
Missing out on the Wiltek loot feels kind of bad,
but we're not pushing progression by any means,
we'll just kill it next week.
We'll get the items we need, we'll coin it all.
But yeah, we were doing really good on the boss.
I think we only had like, on the seventh pull,
we almost killed it, and then by the 10th pull,
that's all we got in for the night.
It's a long fight.
It's like nine and a half minutes,
So you don't really get the opportunity to pull it much, but yep
Well, we threw more than double his hours at the raid. So we've been able to get a lot more done
We've done oolotech in three splits and now we are splitting mythic too. So
It's a weird one
It's there are a lot of people in my guild that are not we don't want to do mythic splits
I'm one of them like if it's close. We just want to fight the hard bosses and do some progression
This tier wasn't closed. We had six hours remaining in our raid night when we went into mythic and it's like
Let's just do the splits we can collect twice as much loot, you know, okay?
So for a guild like Pop-Tart corn dog, how does how do splits look for us?
It's gonna be we had three heroic splits and then we cut down to just two our best 40 characters for two mythic splits and
You know kill two or three bosses twice is better than killing
It would probably be three bosses maybe four with how Vashnik looks now, but only doing it once
more a little more loot by doing it the split way okay and then you're getting
your helpers from just Alts and friends and family yeah that's for the heroic
but then once we got down to mythic it's oh because you're doing mythic splits
yeah mythic splits are you only we're only doing two of them and we're only
doing 40 total characters so it's only it's mostly mains and then our best
alts yeah gotcha and you're upset about that I mean I'm not upset about it
I'm yeah you know to some extent you got our effect that like it's a
ridiculous thing to be doing. But we chose to do it. You can't be too mad at the situation
we're choosing to do it. I will say if every tier was textured like this, we would rethink
what we were doing here for sure.
We live in a crazy world where all the four fun guilds are not only doing splits, which
is like a newfound thing in the last year or two. People feeling obligated into doing
heroic splits, normal splits when they otherwise wouldn't. But now we're all doing mythic
splits together.
by a thousand cuts because every single step along the path is a smart one right? Yeah. It always
seems right to do the next little optimization and then you find yourself on Monday doing myth
exploits and you're like okay somewhere along the line something went wrong here but I can't point to
anything that we did that was wrong. It's like boiling a lobster. Exactly. Yeah. Because of the
lobsters. Well I mean what is the next step in this level of degeneracy then? I'm curious.
I don't know if there even is I don't know if it goes any farther than this this tier I don't think four hour shifts
But ah, yeah, the 24 hour shift. I'm working my way on that one, right? Yeah, I'm concocting a scheme for that
Okay, yeah, I work out the logistics a little bit, but yeah, that would probably be it
You know like someone playing during the nighttime. Yeah legally and and the players having all their mythic plus done
At a time where they are not actively raiding
Don't give them that idea because if they can be done
I feel like they'd do it. It's getting there. It's getting there. Yeah, THD already kind of has that hack with his
Only in four hours of sleep per night. Mm-hmm. Just I was in here that guy's character
Not only is more powerful than everybody else's due to sheer luck every single tier he pulls up
He gets every item he ever wants
But also he has that advantage of he's just doing keys while everyone else is asleep
Yeah, and he is not suffering for it because he doesn't need sleep
Yeah, it's like 1% of the population or something that just don't need more than four hours of sleep
I'm so envious. I'm so jealous, yeah.
I'm so envious. I feel like I'd get so much done.
But here we are speaking of him, THD, going in on a key.
Yeah, starting off with T.
The old murder row!
Old murder row!
I don't know if it's necessarily they're trying to power up their characters a little bit more
for these splits that they're going to plan later on in the day.
Maybe they need like a couple items, couple crest ends or something like that.
But I assume that's why they're starting with Mythic Plus.
You know having the power available to make sure that in Tomb Sentinels goes as well as possible
Yeah, is important that boss has somewhat of a damage check when you're going in with like these
You know weaker characters that don't have all of the loot that the potential names that they want to play have
So just making sure they make the damage check
Comfortably so they have more time in the week to do the harder bosses like bash Nick in splits would be good
Yeah, I saw him in a Ruby life pooled spam yesterday and going for a belt on one of his characters
Over in the murder row I wouldn't be surprised if it was for the freight runners flask for this character if it didn't get good
Trinket from its splits, but that's the interesting thing is they have like a priority list
They're gonna go down you know get thd lock j this item from murder row
Then once you've done that go on to thd lock f and get this item from this start dungeon
And you just go down that list for as long as you can do with the plus and at some point
They're gonna call like all right
Don't start any new dungeons often it would be if you're coming back from lunch
But you know, maybe they want to be faster than that or maybe be slower than that and then they'll say all right
Everybody don't start a new dungeon. We've gotten done all that we you know
The best stuff that we can with the time that we had and now we are going in to mythic
We know that two mythic splits have already been completed by liquid
The question is how many more they're going to be able to do and how many more echo and method are going to be
able to do because it would be a big advantage again if either guild if any of these guilds are able to do
more splits than the others. When you say to do you need in terms of like the
time constraints since it is Monday. Yeah that's the thing and you know Europe
of course have the reset for a little bit longer than we do a famous advantage
that the Europeans get in the race to the first. The longer first time. Yeah so
they'll get a little bit more time to do with the splits while we'll be stuck
in the second reset able to do progressions. Fabricated an extra day
day out of nowhere, out of air somehow, we just have an extra day in the week, how did
that happen?
Yeah, it's completely unfair, we've got to get this changed, but we're going to see what
we could do with this last day.
I think another thing as well is hopefully we're not biting off too much, right?
Make sure we've got a reasonable amount of stuff to do, make sure we budget in the
ability to still get done easily if there are a little bit more wipes than usual, and
make sure we can get to bed because sleep time today is probably the last day that
you can get a little bit over a full night's sleep.
Yeah, we also find ourselves in a unique situation
that has only ever occurred one time
in the race to world first prior to this,
which was just last year,
which is these players probably have
two potential mains right now.
Yeah.
They are probably operating under the guise
of we have entered mythic splits,
we went in assuming we're gonna do mythic progression,
so we invested all of the items into one character
and that was supposed to be our main
and then realized now that we can do mythic splits,
that there probably were potential characters
that we could have played assuming
that we had the resources invest them in week two.
So now they're looking at their character list, right?
There's gonna be characters that were potential mains
that necessarily didn't hit full heroic four piece
or what have you missed like one heroic item,
something along the lines that didn't necessarily
make it like a guaranteed main,
but now going into the second week
when you have the availability of coins, right?
You're gonna show up to these heroic splits
to spoil all or they're gonna do heroic splits on Tuesday tomorrow it's just a
non-stop freight train of splits in this tier they're gonna show up to these
heroic splits they're gonna spend these coins on multiple different characters of
the same class that we're just about as close to their main and if one of them
gets lucky and hits like the rare two-hand axe for strength and adji off
of cold all yeah which in off a coin is a mythic weapon right or the casters
something off of ula tech right if they hit these specific items on that
character they now have the option to swap to that character. And because
they're doing mythic splits right those characters will be stronger than they
would have been in a world where we did not do these mythic splits. So now we
enter Clownland. They're entering these splits with the intention of
gearing specific characters that are supposed to be mains but they don't
even know if they're mains until they reach the heroic reset and then coin
and then if they hit that coin then it's a good main but if they don't hit
that coin then it's not a good main. Yeah it's a great point though
Because there are some characters that have like 80% of the items they want, but the 20% they're missing might be super important.
And they get another bite of that apple next week, whereas if they had to do progression this week, it would just not be allowed to be a main.
A couple other points on that. First of all, if you're coining Heroic Ula Tech, it's probably a little bit less of a big deal because for the most part, most people coining Heroic Ula Tech have roughly the same gain from most of the items from it.
So that's not going to be a huge point of divergence for most of those characters
With the exception of like if there's one item you don't want maybe you crafted a weapon and you're trying to miss the dagger
Yeah on your role in which case a couple of tries to do that will make it very likely instead of only likely that you'll be able to
Do that but the coil altar is a great point because any strength adju users you say if you're looking at a coin on coil
Altar, it's like plus 12% if you hit the axe
Plus point two percent if you hit the belt. Yeah, they're like, okay
We could just try this a couple times right and then maybe if you miss on your first three potential mains
Your fourth just coins a little tech and crafts an axe or something like that
And that's your best way out a lot of different permutations of this for them to consider and probably not something that they had thought too much
About when planning for this race because it's such a strange
Convergence of situations here. Yeah specifically for the race world first guilds. No other guild
really is going to make this decision, but they specifically will probably opt to
not take the coin if the item shows up in their vault. If you are going for
killing the boss in week two, right, which is will attack the end goal, finishing
the tier in week two, there is no point actually coining it if it shows up in
your vault. The vault option will show up myth track. The reason why if you're
in a guild that's going to take several weeks to progress and there's
multiple items off of the loot table that you want, it's not a good idea
to take the item out of the vault is because when you earn the item it doesn't take it off
the coin loop table.
Right.
So if you coin it next week then you'll be in a spot where you could roll it again and
then you've missed an item.
Let's say you want Strength and Adjie, a famous example.
They want the two-hand axe off of Coil Dalter but they also really, really, really want
the trinket off of Coil Dalter.
If you were to take the two-hand axe out of your vault, show up to Coil Dalter
and then coin it and then hit the two-hand axe off of the coin, you'd feel like
you want to die.
So the better option is to take the coin, guarantee that you get all the items off the
loot table in the quickest amount of time.
But again, these Race World first skills are not going to do that.
So it's going to be a coin situation for the characters who don't hit off the vault.
It's going to be a, if you see it in your vault, take it, and then that's going to
determine their mains.
Yeah.
There are a lot of interesting permutations with it because there are some things you
could see that might be worth taking and then changing a future coin as well for this
is for a non-Race World first player, right?
Race World first players probably assuming that next week's vault is the only vault
Even though, of course, there is a chance we do go to week three.
But for a non-raced World First player,
if you're planning to coin a Heroic Ullitech
and you see a Heroic Ullitech item in your vault,
you probably still shouldn't take it.
You should probably take the coin and coin Ullitech.
But if you're a Strength Adjie user,
maybe it's worth it to take the axe if it shows up
and just move your coin off of Coiled Altar
and take the axe and then just hope you can get looted
to the Trinket.
You can use that as an argument when you're arguing for it
with the loot council.
Like, hey, I can't coin this, yeah.
You're telling them how to make them feel bad for you?
Yeah, well, you're saying, look, everybody else can coin this,
but I can't coin this boss anymore
because I got this axe out of my vault, you know?
You got to help me, please.
This is the only way I can get the trick in.
Please, Gil, please.
Yeah.
Well, now we find ourselves also in a position
where we've reached the ultimate evolution of Clownland.
As you're grabbing your red, shiny nose
and putting it on your face
and putting on your oversized shoes
and your colorful Afro,
you get to start to realize that what that means
for these players who do not know
what their main is going into next week is all of their potential characters need
to be main quality. So when it comes to crafting, when it comes to getting their
crests, when it comes to having their mythic plus done, when it comes to having
the question mark, question mark delve done, every single one of their potential
characters that might hit an item off of the vault and be played in week two
that they could pivot to needs to be fully prepped to be a mythic main.
Yeah, which I think it's probably overstated the amount of those that are
available to these players. I think for most players they probably have a clear
main yeah it is unlikely to change right two or three you know yeah some
people might have to and I would be shocked if like non-tanks and non-flex
players have more than two that they are really looking at being an option
unless they are somebody that's really trying to set up that coin variance in
their favor you know a heroic coil Dalter coining warrior it would make a
lot of sense to try and prep a lot of options for a THD you know he
probably doesn't have any crazy coin variance he's looking at next week
something that asks if they're paying for keys if it's an AFK key they are yeah
50k per gold and they're just gonna be the group finder and they're doing a
armor stacks as you can see right here yeah I was looking at this it was
interesting because we don't have a full armor sack we got a plate or when we
could have a cloth healer wait yeah cuz you're right yeah that is a liquid
helper VIP Steve Carell he's well-known he shows up with splits
Every well not every time but he notably showed up a lot last year and he owns
So I think you might be eligible to loot the flask anyways on that character. Yeah going holy spec
No, Steve Carell was in my keys all the time last year. So that guy gets VIP privileges
He is allowed to do whatever he wants even if you're not allowed to trade you anything you want him there
Also, also go to name. Yeah, Steve Carell. Yeah, very good. Yep
What guild is he in?
No idea. No idea. Yeah, I'm not that tight with mr. Steve. Okay, but
I love seeing them.
You know, great guy.
Someone's asking, can you explain the AFK keys?
Basically, what's going to happen is, trade offer, for a 50k gold player, you get to have
a liquid player AFK in your, in your, this sounds horrible, and it is, in your dungeon.
The privilege.
And you get to, yeah, the privilege, really, and you get to do the key, minus one DPS,
or depending on who it is, I suppose, and, and give them your gear.
Yeah, so they're doing keys on one account and playing a character on one account actively,
and then getting whatever items they need on that character, and then simultaneously they
are logged into a second character in which they are paying gold for an entire group to
carry that character while it's completely AFK, and now they're double dipping on the
loot and being twice as efficient with their time.
Which is hilarious and ridiculous at the same time.
Yeah, the strategy, you know, not, not the finest looking one in the world first.
But still within TOS.
Yeah, it is within TOS, you know, you're getting some gold out of it.
But you know, it's just carried offer.
Yeah, yeah, the people who are carrying their characters
are doing so out of the kindness of their heart and the willingness of their.
Yeah, and not a bad way to make some gold, you know, if you're sitting there
and you're like, hey, I've got two hours, I can make 200K by doing four of these.
And, you know, are you capable of having of doing a plus 10 with four players?
Yeah, yeah, that's something that a lot of people sometimes it makes it even a little bit more fun than doing it
Then just smashing it with all five players to get through these with just the four
I'm just looking at what's going down this tier in terms of mythic splits and yeah tabbed afk
Yeah keys and the potential of mainswapping. I have never been more grateful to have retired
This is a good
I think that the best year to have retired before might have been last year
But this is a good one to have
Eight days of splits into just the most degenerate things you've ever seen and on top of that,
I would be maining two simultaneous DKs who both do nothing.
Yes.
Yeah, that's also true.
What a great time to be.
Well, I think you'd get to play Blood on Vashnik, maybe.
That looks like it'll probably be good.
Firstly, you picked the worst tier to cast.
Oh, this is a great time to cast, because now I can just sit back and devolve into
degeneracy with everybody else, you know?
That's true.
I would say this is-
You've enjoyed your degeneracy.
Thank you.
On the casting.
I think that's my brand.
Yeah.
That's what I'm going for.
Yeah.
It's a bit of a trial by fire as well, because once you're casting the progression, that's
almost easier.
It's inherently interesting.
Trying to make this interesting is quite a tough job.
You're also talking to the guy who found the first two days of splits every single
tier to be very, very fun.
So I think I find a little bit of enjoyment in the mundane and the unenjoyable.
I'll make it fun for myself.
So I don't mind.
I love watching THD to hit to his 80th murder row of the season.
You know, this is what I live for.
Well, I got good news for you.
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reasonable first.
I got a personal moment last night of listening.
I had that 34 inch ultra wide.
Oh, what happened?
So, Ullatec has this one phase on Heroic where you just run side to side into these tentacle slams and split groups.
Yeah.
It's really hard to actually see, like, every single tentacle if you have your camera angled a certain way.
Yeah.
I was missing just about the difference of 7 inches of screen space from being able to see the side tentacles.
Yeah.
And sometimes I would just have to rely on somebody else seeing it and pinging it first, and I was a little bit slow in calling it.
But if I had that monitor myself, I feel like I would have been able to call it instantly.
That could have been the difference.
Mm-hmm.
There seems to be a lot of side-to-side stuff.
There is, yeah.
You really have to move your camera around.
Not only in the rain, I feel like in a lot of the keys, too.
Yeah.
You'd really be surprised at the power of an extra 7 inches.
Yeah.
I can't wait for this key to start.
I'm just like on the edge of my seat right now.
You know what I mean?
We have casters in the group.
We've got Steve Carell.
We've got Horo Horo on the Guardian Druid.
At any moment, this could be the quickest murder row we've seen TH2 of the season, and he might hit his cricket, and then finally he'll move on to a different dungeon that he spans for the next hour.
He hits the M-SIP during the bubble, during the 10 second timer here as well, that's just optimal sequencing as well, not much else you can do during those 10 seconds.
And yeah, he's not going to be partaking in the AFK keys, I think, because he's famously a one-account gamer.
Not somebody who, uh...
Oh my god, he's just like I got all 14 of his guys on the same account instead of having them on different battle nets
And which lets him multi box. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, he's a deeply frustrating individual to watch exists
Right, like he exists as a contrarian, right? That's his whole bit
Like he just wants to do something different and then stand his ground and just take pride in being different like the bull
Yeah, he's the only person I have ever seen in my life
find enjoyment in doing all of the things that liquid does like 20 characters
One at a time. He only plays one account. He will never log into two characters at the same time unless you like force him
To do so and he'll still say no, you know, he's probably sitting here like in these keys
I don't even know if he's doing the AFK keys. He might just stand his ground on that be like
I'm not doing it. Well, he's not gonna get much benefit out of it
No, he said that actually yesterday, that he actually does the keys with people because
he's a man of the people and he loves his fans, is what he told me.
So he will not be AFK in your keys.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, sure.
He can spin it as much as he wants in that way, right?
I'm just quoting, I'm just a messenger.
Yeah, I can respect good messaging, right?
You can turn anything a little bit questionable into something great, and THD is fantastic
at that.
But this guy, he sat there in level 20 characters one by one, last expansion,
or not last expansion at the beginning of this expansion.
just psychotic. There's no reason to do that. As opposed to what? Dualboxing it. Yeah. Dualboxing,
yeah. So you'd, you know, just mount up, you'd do the same quest on two characters at the same time,
a lot of shared credit. You'd finish your leveling in half the time. But this guy is so adamant
on playing one character that he doubled the time that it took him to level all those characters
at a time where we're leveling 20 characters. That is okay. And that's why I don't know
it went that deep. No, that's why he's the goat. Yeah. He'll, he'll actually mythic zeros
are also a famous example of this because the way that we structured our mythic zero runs for a
really really long time is that you would dual box them and what that means is you know you can't
put multiple characters in the same run that's not necessarily efficient so what you do is
you pull the entire dungeon in one pull use all your cooldowns you do you bust on like a really
really hard pack right yeah now you're weak for like the next two minutes until your cooldowns
come yeah tab like great time to tab over yeah do it again on your second account so then
you're just doing one pull at a time alternating between these two accounts and it becomes
way more efficient for the overall speed and the amount of time that you're getting your gear
he refused to do that
he would not do that so if you were in his group you did not get access to that you
were forced to be shackled to thd and do all the run one by one
i don't think i would play with him then
yeah but he's the goat so someone that force him
no
someone i told to cut it out no and if you and if the response was all right
you're literally screwing every single other person over dude
you know this is an efficient for anybody
His response to that would be something along the lines of it's fine. I'll just put all 20. Yeah, you know
There's no stopping him. He's he's actually a stone wall
It goes to show the command how valuable he is to the team because like, you know, if you were like
You know if anybody else they'd be lobbed if one of us were to pull some some something like this
You're at the casting TV that we'd be out of here instantly, right?
Mm-hmm, but THD such an invaluable mainstay of the liquid roster that he can get away with this kind of thing
He's an absolute beast we have famously this the story has been told multiple times
But it really shows you his resolve in how much you cannot stop them in we have a rule for a very long time during the race
Do not check social media tweet during the race
Oh my god
Pay attention to the race and put all of your time effort and attention into it and don't be distracted by anything
That might tilt you this guy just scrolls Twitter all the time he tweets all the time
He will not stop in one tier they find him a considerable amount of money and his response that was I don't care
I'm gonna do it again. And then they just realized they get it doesn't matter if you take a control
You could you could take away all this guy's money. He does not care. He will just be himself
I didn't know they find him. They actually find them. Yeah, geez and he did not care
Yeah, I mean not even a little bit
He's probably watching this chat right now because he's also got that that widget that he has yeah
That is computer at all times
He's got it in lots and lots of different streams so that he gets pinged anytime his name is mentioned
So if you guys spamming it up right now, you might just see him looking over the left of his monitor
which I did just see him do just now.
Oh my God, this group is fun-pacing.
We might be acutely aware of what's going on.
Wow.
Ooh, yeah, one phase.
Yeah, double arcane mage.
That's a nice way to make that one phase very easy.
Yeah, that is very true.
Double arcane mage.
And demonology warlock, which is apparently getting buffed.
Yep, getting buffed next.
Mysteriously, all three warlock specs
are getting buffed next week, which, OK,
Dimo maybe for some brave encounters could use it.
But yeah, it's already looking quite good in the keys.
Yeah.
Not being shocked by it becoming quite a powerhouse
spec.
test your getting rain of fire buffed is going to be nice and keys to that's uh...
kind of crazy as well that's back already look pretty good to feel like they're
tuning department has kind of gotten uh...
yet a bit of criticism over the last week
you know yet by in some sense
but also you gotta wonder do they just have like a uh... spin the wheel kind
of a situation you know
i mean look you keep you can criticize them because like the spectating spin
kind of off
but at least the normal rate tuning was also off and the heroic rate tuning
was bad, and also Mythic Nimerisa's tuning was very bad, so...
Yeah, it's not like a product of bad.
You know, there's a lot of different things they're working on, so at least they're going
to get some of them, maybe.
I heard somebody say that they got rid of this part for MDI, is that true, Dratnos?
I don't think so.
I think this is the version.
It's a little changed from the version that we got on M0, but...
It's shorter, right?
Yeah, it's like slightly shorter, and the door opens a little bit more quickly, but...
Yeah, the version the MDI plays is almost always the exact same as the live version.
I believe the magic zero version was that the timer would like fully complete, but now once you get five stars
Yeah, you're done. That is nice
I'm excited to hear you know the big the big booms of the blizzcon e-sports stage and now he's grabbing now now is
grabbing his cheese
It will be very funny if somebody were to like if it imagine there's an FBI that came down to like two seconds in this
life and one team it out of five second faster, you know cheese or dash
Yeah, yeah, yeah somebody from another game is walking by like
Yeah, I'm brutal for crap. What is brutal for crap to these days?
What has happened to this game?
I could go live on play overwatch.
I gotta go play classic. Didn't have these sorts of things.
There was no silliness in classic.
Yeah.
Absolutely none.
One of the reasons why we love THD so much is he's such an ethical player.
Yeah.
You know.
Yeah.
You can even see it in the small things.
He went and opened the door for the tank there.
What a kind of gentleman.
Oh, what a nice guy.
My pugs, you know what they do?
What do they do?
They watch me get my back stabbed into a million pieces while I'm opening the door as a blood decay
and I perk inevitably and then they just keep A-wing so I'm losing threat while also dying.
Yeah, dude the joys of like you're starting the gatherer of the pole and just you just see like
the giga arcade missiles you know triple barrage orb thing flying through
you're like I'd like to add more to this pack but.
And then they're yelling at you they're like why isn't the door open dude we want to funnel
on the boss it's like buddy yeah for me but he's not the kind of player to do
that no not at all yes yeah he's he's he's lovable in so many different ways
oh it's the mid boss m zip as well that's just efficient any standout pug
moments as a tank atlas I let's come a dump a little bit no I try to forget all
of them okay for the sake of my sanity and my self-worth so yeah they're
suppressed by trauma, it's all just a blur.
Any from you, Triton?
No, I haven't really bumped into keys yet this season, but in casting, raiding, or doing
guild keys, basically 24-7.
It was kind of funny to see you, it was like, you two and Tettles and Jet, and then somebody
else was already at the same time, on pretty much the same boss, so it was like everybody
was doing both like different raid comps in different discords I guess except for
you and jet palace but well jet was raiding with us yeah that's why I said
yes we're in the same way we're synced up yeah
temporarily though yeah he's just helping out right yeah we'll make you sad you
have to say goodbye soon it breaks my heart but yeah I mean I don't get to
see him very often you know this has been a long time coming but I wish you
could raid with us unfortunately he is employed and I live on the west coast
and our rate times are dictated by the fact that I get home at 6.30, which is 9.30 for them,
and then we wait for four hours.
Yeah, that is really late.
Yeah, people on these coasts are staying up a bit late.
Yeah.
He's a little epee.
He's an epee guy.
He's been an epee guy since day one.
Yeah?
You know, I value his sleep, and I wish...
He's not a night dweller?
No, he longs for being a night dweller.
He is inherently a night dweller, but forced into the shackles of capitalism
and bound by the scheduling of his employment.
So, unfortunately, he can't long term read with us.
Yeah, that is a tragic tale.
Nice thing he gets to do for a bit while he's here though.
It lines up nicely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a taste of the degeneracy again that he won.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, graduating from Raider to Helper.
On the one hand, it's kind of fun, right?
It's like you're doing the worst part of Raiding,
which is the helping, like the splits.
But you only have to do it for a couple of weeks, right?
Like you kind of get that exciting like,
yeah, a new patch.
Let's play.
Let's play with everybody.
Let's do all this like,
Rushing the new content and doing keys all day and then you kind of skip the entire part of the patch where
You know, no you log on and there's two people online or whatever
And you know, you're re-killing bosses that you've already killed every day
Although I don't necessarily think that helping is a boring no back friend by any means he's playing it on for you
He's having the time of his life. Yeah, I can be nice as well whenever you get to like
Do good damage as the helper right and like you know, be at the top of the meters
even though you're just there, you're just there just for just for a couple weeks.
Just for funsies. Yeah. I can't wait to help. I hope that's a possibility for me
coming next week, tomorrow even. Yeah. Help the liquid splits. Yeah, I've missed
out on my opportunity to do so this week multiple times and you know,
Tuesday brings a lot of opportunity in that regard. It's interesting because
like the question is do you do more helpers or less? Because there's an
argument both ways right on the second reset. The argument for more helpers
is okay everybody's more geared we can blast just a bunch of these with helpers right yeah we can
have 15 helpers in and do her a coiled altar probably still right the downside is that's going
to take more time and you just might not need that many right if you only need a certain boss
three times you just do that with mains you know and slam it out really quick no chance of failure
no organizational logistics time yeah and uh you don't need the extra tries
that the helpers afford you?
I do not envy Bubba and Dorvon, not even a little bit.
This is probably going to be their worst time ever organizing splits,
because what I imagine to be the case is, one,
they have a general plan of what they want to do for her exploits coming into week two,
but no idea what's happening with the characters.
There's actually no way to tell until every single person opens their vault.
So I can't imagine that the reset rolls around and they go straight into splits.
I'm going to say it now. This is maybe both to say, temper your expectations.
We might be looking at them logging in Tuesday and doing Mythic Plus until lunch.
Yeah, I mean, because Mythic Plus gets you the crests.
Yeah, it gets you the crests. It's an efficient use of time.
The characters are going to need the power regardless.
They don't know what they're playing and guess what? The analysts need some time to figure out what they're playing.
Yeah, there's no way to know until they get data from every single character that logs in and tells them what is in the vault.
Yeah, I mean I bet today what they're doing is a lot of
Trying to pre-plan the different permutations you could run into right, but even then it's not gonna be perfect, right?
But just getting a general idea of like okay
if one of the warriors hits an axe, you know it takes that it becomes the main and
Etc right those sorts of
Decision points and depending on what character hits what you know, they might just completely swap right
So there's no way to actually predetermine. Yeah a full group
You know, let's say where doesn't hit acts suddenly it needs the axe
Okay, you're gonna go do a helper run then you're gonna give them backs at the drops that kind of a situation
So we'll see um, but everything is up in the air and everything is weird. There is the other
interesting question next week of if you can float the bonus roll long enough into the raid
You could bonus roll mythic coil altar. Yeah, which awards myth 9 out of 6 loot
It's a very powerful place to go especially this tier you know for a lot of players a myth one out of six item in a
Mid six out of six item aren't actually all that different because
You're constrained by how many myth items you can get anyways and not by your crests
But for liquid running this many splits
There's a good chance that they will have places for their crests to go
Which means that then the myth one out of six items are losing some value because they will compete for that limited resource
That isn't a limited resource for as many other players
Yeah, and that would mean there'd be value in moving a coin to a mythic boss
And especially a mythic coil altar if you can but that would mean being down a lot of power until you kill the penultimate boss
Yeah, tuning, you know tuning pending that might be doable. That might not be it's a huge gamble
Like yeah huge huge huge gamble one you're gambling on the fact that you can kill the boss without everybody being full power
which historically speaking is maybe true to an extent but like the tuning on the second and last
boss is usually tight enough to the point where you don't even want to risk that let alone yeah the
boss is earlier than that you know it's all over the place as well right especially with week two
gear like it could be yeah it could be very easy it could be very hard yeah who's to say I mean
their tuning track record right now is looking pristine so yeah you know things are probably
going to be on track for one gear so week two should be super easy but even with that being
the case right like let's say you save your coin you don't take the item out of the vault when it
officially drops you only have a couple people planning on doing this anyways with the chance
of hitting a nine out of six item which is not to be understated it is a massive power increase
not only for hitting the item that comes nine out of six but you save so many crests yeah doing
that you basically have an entire week's worth of mythic crests that you're saving by getting
that nine out of six item over taking a one out of six mythic item that you'd have to spend the
the crest on to upgrade fully. It's huge, but then you hit a belt on a coin and then
not only did you screw yourself, because now you're making all the bosses leading up to
it harder because you were less powerful and you did not take a really, really good item,
and you didn't send your crest, but now you got a useless item. Well, not useless,
but like very, very inconsequential item. That's like maybe a bit of a grief. I would
be shocked to see anybody do it outside of maybe one that gets the go ahead to
to do so and it's probably gonna be a character
that's already maybe a bit behind.
Yeah, you could do it as like a, if you hit, you're in,
otherwise you're out on Uletek, right?
Yeah, like, like, hey, you're struggling a little bit.
Let's get you like something to power you up, you know?
We're going for a Hail Mary.
Yeah, exactly.
Maybe you get a touchdown,
maybe you just look like an idiot.
Who's to say?
Let's figure it out, you know?
That kind of a situation.
But I think a majority of the players
are gonna be told to take immediate power gains
that are like very, very secure and, you know,
a guaranteed path towards them being strong for the hard bosses in the ring.
Geez, um, yeah.
So in conclusion, like you said, I don't owe it and be...
No, we're in Cloudland.
Yeah, let's not get that.
Cloudland is a great term.
We are in Cloudland.
Real quick, Alexei, the person that is managing the keys.
Yeah.
New job for him.
Also, W, W. Alexei.
Need Temple or Veil plus 10 key, Leather Legs and Ring Traders, AFK run.
Search Liquid AFK and group finder.
Yep, AFK runs need an army of people.
Absolutely 50k per player if you'd like to be a part of that looks like the dry answer is also looking for a plate
Kingsrest key holder. I think I have that
Okay, get over there. I don't have a three. I don't I'm not 311. That's okay. I think I think it's like one three eleven play person and one
King's rest key holder. I guess maybe need both maybe
Let's see who who signs up. We've got a demon hunter
And I level 300 demon hunter. All right. Well, that's almost 300 or 311. That's almost play enough. Yeah
We'll see how how desperate they get here. Drainster's got one of the strongest mentors on the entire team
Oh, so you're saying I could completely break his key and he would be mad at me. There's limits to it
Oh, yeah, and he also has personal grudges. So maybe he's a crap
He's already had some adversity with the delve nemesis this
yesterday. The man is not, you know, what's it called? A stranger to adversity.
Yeah. Dragonriding and delve Nemesis apparently. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's a Holy Paladin player,
inherently. You know what I mean? Like this guy was built from the mud and
struggled his way through. It's weird because Holy Paladin, it used to be like
one of the kind of safe raid spots, right? Oh yeah. It's like for a couple
expansions, it's like, yeah, you had a Holy Paladin, they always got to play.
You had a disc priest, they always got to play, and then you had like three
other healers that were in all hunger games against each other for the last
year. You know what changed, right? They introduced the most disgusting thing
to ever been put in the game, the disgusting little dragon speck. That's
true, the present vokers. Yeah, it's kind of shoved the holy paladin to the
side in a way. It's an oppressive healing speck for multiple tiers now.
Invasive. Yeah, yeah. Definitely. Like an invasive plant. It's like a weed in
your grove. Yeah, yeah. It's like like honeysuckle. It just suffocates all of
the other native species in the area and kills them slowly.
Great tier to be a holy paladin right now though.
Yeah, they're looking pretty good.
Specs them great.
It's nice.
You've got this spell called Lay on Hands that increases
any target's health bar to full.
And you've got this spell called Flash of Light that increases
any target's health bar to full.
Oh, don't get a holy shock.
A holy shock as well.
Any target's health bar to full.
Exactly.
You've got a lot of different abilities
that do different things in your kit.
Is he munching or is he fidgeting with his beard?
I think he's chewing on the strands that
hanging out of his hoodie he's known for that. Oh yeah he does do that. Yeah no yeah you're
right there it is. There it is yeah chopping away at him. He's got those netlaces of like
chew toys if you have like a oral fixation. We just got to get Driny a bib. A bib? Yeah
you think? Because again he is a holy paladin player so it does fit. Okay I didn't know
that that was a stereotype of holy paladin players I thought that was more like a
ret paladin hunter thing. Uh I mean you can apply it to a bunch of different
with them the game it's not exclusive to them but yeah you know just something to suck at you on a
little bit while he's looking for helpers and fixing his UI. Of course I wanted to do a segment
maybe I still will where I matched dog breeds with players like the player team itself or the
classes. Well actually it could be both yeah like what would your any be? I feel like he's an
Australian shepherd
Yeah, or I mean he's like a little too
He's a bit golden retriever it's weird because like personality wise yeah, he's golden retriever
Yeah, like demeanor and like tone wise. He's a little bit of a black cat, so they're at odds with each other
You know what I mean? He seems like he's very like to himself. Don't talk to me his voice is really deep
He's a little bit monotone. He's not as like
Shalant as some people would say I feel like you need like a calm dog that like it like an American bulldog or
He's very beagle actually
He's right beagle would probably be the closest of you dr. Nia's hold on. You said he's quiet. Have you heard of beagle bark before?
Yeah, yeah, just get him worked up a little bit about the state of holy pub, and then you'll see the beagle come out
Wait, that's a good one great Dane
Great day. No, I don't think so. No, okay
No, great things just sleep all day, you know
That's true. That's true. They're a bit of like they're huge, right?
But they're maybe not as animated or
Active as a guy like Johnny would be all right. So wait, where do we land?
I'm going be eagle. I think it's pretty apt. Yeah, all right. Okay. Who's next? What about t.h.d?
Chihuahua
Yeah, I was kind of thinking chihuahua. Absolutely. Yeah spicy. I don't think you can get anything else compact
You know a lot of energy and a tiny dog. Yeah, loud big bark. Yeah, very loud. Yeah fierce
Okay, let's see
Who I think I feel like fired up is definitely a gold retriever
Yeah, gold retriever like an Afghan hound. I could see both. Yeah, he's got the Constitution of an Afghan
How and like, you know, not a particularly bright one, right? Yeah
They're stupid as dog.
Alright, now we're just being meat to Fard up.
No, no, no.
They're like, they're happy and lucky.
Well, I realize after I signed Afghan hand to him that they're the least intelligent
dog and so I feel like perhaps we should pivot because that doesn't seem accurate.
Let's go back to Golden Retriever.
He's Golden Retriever.
Yeah.
Fard up is very, very, very smart.
He does a good job of tricking you that he's bad.
Yeah.
Somebody who knows exactly how to play into a bit. Yeah, that's true
100% that's true. Yeah, he's also just like it's frustrating how natural
His talent is it's a like playing mage like he can press the buttons in a uniquely good order
But he can't explain to you why it's the right order, right? Yeah, it's like intuitive to him. Exactly
But then his soul he didn't you know, he doesn't he's not one of the players was like
I ran the simulations and have all the different procs and that's why I'm pressing buttons like no
It just feels right to press this right now, and he's right. He's a musician that doesn't play off sheet music exactly
Exactly. I mean we've all seen the video of him forgetting what he had in his loot box that week
Yeah, we've never remember. Did you guys remember the the tourgast visiting the legendary? Oh my yeah
he's just
Zoning in and out of TorGas trying to find the flesh fairy.
Okay, so perhaps maybe he's an Afghan.
He's had a few of those. I mean, I feel like it's a pretty standard thing now in the world where we play
so many characters and there's like UI changes every patch.
You're guaranteed to see a clip of FireDub clicking every single ability out of the spellbook at least once.
Oh, yep. It's already happened this year.
It happens every year.
Dude, on our Mythic Nexolley kill yesterday, I hit a slash cast Abomination Lim because I talented it,
but I had not put it on my bars.
That was a, that's a-
I did my first slash cast room forge.
Yeah.
I was like, oh, I don't have to do this.
I don't have to dig through my spell book.
I can just type it out.
It was great.
It was very good.
You'll ruin a Sanguination on if you're trying out blood.
I did my once a season visiting to the death knight.
I had a great, well, it was earlier on the broadcast.
Like, I think it was yesterday that day
before I was asking people casting with me,
what would you do if you had to come up
with a novel concept for a class?
You know, brand new class, World of Warcraft,
what would it do?
And I think one of Jet's ideas was a barista support type
class where you serve different kinds of drinks
to people and they do different things.
Was the prom silly?
Oh, you could do whatever.
You could do whatever, but you can't do like tinker
or barge or whatever.
Yeah, no low hanging proof.
Yeah, yeah, it's gotta be a new idea.
Not the commonly set kind of thing.
If we look on Wowhead and the, you know,
comment section of any article about this it can't be one of the ones that
would show up in that on that okay yeah but no one asked me what I thought now
I'm just gonna feed it up to you guys try to make me feel like you want your
concept thought of to be asked the question oh hang on wait this really
interesting things happening in the King's Rest Dungeon we gotta make sure
we stay focused on production is you want me to throw to break okay no go
Go ahead, go ahead, sorry, sorry, sorry.
Oh, he's gone grumpy.
I do really want to hear your concept out like that.
Anyways, so like I was saying, right,
you guys talking about typing spells made me think of my idea
that I already thought of prior that nobody cared to hear about.
So I'm going to say it right now.
OK, cool.
Imagine a class that's a typewriter spec.
You have to type out every ability.
Oh, that would go crazy.
Yeah, like depending on you typo-ing the ability misses.
Or certain abilities, if you typo or have
Improving proper gamer or something like that does friendly fire. Hmm. It's easy is your teammate, you know
Yeah damage to your teammate it bops a tank, you know something something along those line
Yeah, it's like you do holy shock and that does some healing or holy shack and you just put down like a
Housing and hear me out. There is no ceiling to the skill of this spec
Yeah, inherently tied to how fast you type the type or you quick the more powerful the spec is wow I
Like that you'd really have to get some foot pedal action though. Yeah, and like be able to move
I don't know. You have to have like the the full like stenographer set up right where you just are like giga optimized for words per minute
They have a keyboard that's meant to actually be fast. Did I say that?
Yeah, you did okay. Well, it clearly words are not my forte. I would suck at my own class
But yeah, the quicker you type
English is my second language by the way chat. Don't make fun of me. What's your first language? Farsi
Yeah, but I also
Exclusively spoke English from four years old onwards. So I just use that as a crutch whenever I make a mistake
Do you still speak Farsi?
It's a little tough to get some of the pronunciation right.
Sometimes I blank out.
You know, I don't really practice it day to day as much as I would like, but you know,
my parents speak to me in Farsi.
I respond back in English kind of a thing.
How do you say hello?
Depends on how you want to say it.
Say it like if I were saying hello to you.
Well, okay, if you were to say hello, which has a little bit more of an Arabic
origin to it, it's Salam.
But if you want to get like real traditional Farsi with like the original origins of Farsi,
it's got like a real twang to it.
Duru by Shoma, which is very formal. If you say that to like somebody, you know, you're gonna be like
With these different languages, you can always tell like the ones that are like the formal ways to say something
But if it's something you say often, there's always the short version that everybody actually uses, right?
It's like yeah, we got more than three syllables involved in something like hello
That's getting that's getting shaved down
Language has been very watered down with a lot of Arabic, you know, a lot of Arabic
influence. There's a big conquest back in the day. Some people just like, from a cultural
perspective like to cling on to the older words and speak like true Parsi, as they call it.
Got Parsi speakers in the chat saying hello back to you.
Yeah, we're a small minority. Persian gamers.
Oh yeah?
Yeah, very, very, well, you got to think like, you know, culturally, what your parents
want you to do. So basically, everybody is a Persian gamer is a failure to their
their ancestors. So, you know, we're the black cats of the family, we're the black sheep,
even, you know, odd ones out.
Okay, English is your second language.
Yeah, but English is my second language. Euphemisms and different sorts of different phrases, not my forte.
I learned Twist My Arm at 27 years old. I never really heard that often.
Ooh, yeah, it's fun, Indian.
I find it interesting that idioms have direct translations like that.
Sometimes, yeah.
Sometimes.
And, dude, the best is when you learn, like, some language has just an idiom that's
just completely different than ours for...
for the same thing.
What is it?
What is Twist My Arm?
Twist My Arm?
Yeah.
It's basically like a tongue-in-cheek way of saying,
like, oh no, please don't make me do this.
No, no, no.
Is there a Farsi version that's very different or not
in the correct translation?
Our phrases are just so unbelievably abstract.
Like, to say that two things are not related, for example,
I don't know the exact wording of it in Farsi,
but I can translate it to English.
You'd basically say that a fart has nothing
do with your inner thoughts. You know what I mean? The part has nothing to do with the
brain. That's one of them. There's a bunch of, like, they're really, really weird phrases.
There's nothing quite as literal.
I feel like idioms in English are like that if you really think about them, though.
Yeah, I'm blanking on thinking about a bunch of them. I guarantee you the Farsi ones
are a little bit more ridiculous.
We need some Southerners in here. Get Yips. Did you guys see that? They were all
doing Southern accents yesterday. I don't know why.
because of the snakes. You'd have to have been there.
So did you start that bit?
No, I think...
You guys started doing the southern one right here.
I didn't start anything.
That was a snake.
The snake was speaking.
Oh, of course. My bad.
Charles and Eugene. Yeah.
I had Eugene.
Yeah.
Jet, unfortunately, had Charles with him.
Yeah, yeah.
I was in a queue with Jet and the rogue didn't say anything the entire time and
then at the end, right before he left, he goes, tell Charles I say hi to Jet
but then left.
No.
Probably one of Charles' only supporters in this world.
Yeah.
Right, chats going through different idiom translations in their languages.
You can put your boots in the oven, but that don't make them biscuits.
That sounds Southern to me.
Wait, this is a fun bit.
This is a fun bit.
Direct translations of idioms from other languages.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Southern idiom.
That dog won't hunt, aka the planter excuse makes no sense.
There we go.
I like that.
Your in potatoes is a French idiom, okay.
Okay. But do you speak any other languages?
I speak a little French.
Do you actually?
Yeah.
Really?
Yeah.
Only a little.
I can't tell if you're trolling because of the way that you are.
I'm not, I haven't spoken, used it in a while, but I, I spent a year in Belgium, so.
Oh, I don't know French.
I'll put it there, yes.
Oh, wow.
I don't speak French.
Ah, yeah.
Wow, are you getting a language mug to your eye?
Yeah, you are.
I am.
How many you got?
Just the English?
Uh...
That's okay.
What do you got?
Yeah?
Yeah?
Yeah, well, what was that? I mean, what'd you say? So what'd he got? I don't know what that is
Aloy Matt
It's tie tie. It was a little bit of tie. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's it. That's it
So I've looked up a couple of uh nice Persian idioms
Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. These are just oh my god. Let's hear it. Let's hear it
All right, I'll give you just a literal translation in English
I'm not gonna pronounce all of them in Farsi
Okay, uh because that would be really embarrassing for me if I mess it up
But the neighbor's chicken is a goose. Can you guys guess what the meaning is that the neighbor's chicken is a goose?
Yeah, hmm be like
Maybe like it's always greener on the other grass is green on the other side like don't compare yourself to other people
How many person people do you know that's a crazy pull? Am I right? That's a hundred percent right. Let's go
What the hell let's go. That's actually shocking. I don't know. I think all my years in English class of like
analyzing the color of curtains
Oh my god, okay, that is actually crazy.
Okay, his bread is in oil.
His bread is in oil.
Yeah.
In oil or it's an oil?
In. It's in oil.
His bread is in oil.
Like his bread is sitting in some oil.
Maybe like, sorry, like he's rich
in not like material properties, but like life, you know?
Well, close.
You're fed, you're healthy and you're fed.
Yeah, you're very very close think of like olive oil and the bread sitting in it. Yeah, it translates to he's doing very well financially or living comfortably
Okay, okay, you're doing okay. If you get this one, I swear to God. I have no idea how you're pulling this look this up prior for some reason
Production is telling me about you. I rub soap on my stomach. I rub soap on my stomach. Yeah
Oh god, yeah, that'd be a weird production if you're helping or I swear to God
I rub soap
on my stomach. I rub soap on my stomach. Oh, production says his wife is Persian so he
knows it. That's actually insane. Wait, there's no one's cheating, no one's actually feeding
me answers though, that's not fair. Okay, yeah, you're rubbing soap on your stomach. Rubbing
soap on your stomach. Yeah, no way you got this, by the way. Maybe it's like, it's
like useless, like that's a useless endeavor. Like, oh, that's like, oh, dang it! What
is it? What is it? It means that you're eagerly anticipating something or getting
your hopes up. I have no idea. I'm so excited. I'm rubbing soap on my stomach. Okay, interesting.
Alright. I guess that makes sense. Like if you're getting ready to go like belly first down a
water slide, which is pretty exciting. Yeah, we've got a bunch of crazy ones. This is a fun one.
Yeah, Chad has some good ones. Like he couldn't pour water out of a boot if the instructions
We're on the heel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the southern one. Right. That's
the other stuff. The southern ones are very good. I'd say a lot of them. Hmm. There's a
lot that are just like so mean, but it's like, you know, well veiled. And we can do the we
can do some of your mama jokes. If we really I don't think let's stay away. I think here
on day seven, we're not quite that desperate. Okay. Get to like day 10 and we're still
doing splits. Okay. We can revisit that. I'll prepare that your mama joke. Yeah.
I will reopen that particular can worms bless your heart. Yeah, farce is also just like a very
Dramatic language at times too a lot of our phrases and sayings are just so over the top and usually they're
Said with like, you know good intentions like if something does something
Someone did something for you that was really nice and you appreciated it
It would not be weird for you to say I would kill myself right now for you
Uh for what you have done for me
I would literally serve a life of servitude to you forever for what you have done to me
And you'd say it over something small like somebody holding the door open for you, you know
I'm starting to understand
how your personality was structured
Yeah, it might be a cultural thing, but you know making a lot of sense. Okay. Oh, yeah
There's I feel like if I've met some more Persians, I'd just meet a bunch of other atlases. Oh, you know, it's a certain level of
What sort I'm looking for?
You have to have the capacity for the dramatic also, you know.
Being dramatic might be instilled within you culturally, but I think I kind of carry the
upper echelon of dramatization.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's nice that you propped a language that combos well with your inherent personality,
right?
Yeah.
The sort of multiplicative, multiplicative scaling.
Two set.
That's what we're going for here.
Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah.
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Frank has gone crazy, drunk with power.
Yeah, yeah. How was the, I mean, I know we talked about it a little bit, but you guys know it's your sneak friends visiting you.
Yeah, they had a lot of personality. I'm literally seeing Eugene right now just taking a little power nap over.
Yeah, he's been banished over there.
He's just been hanging out real quick.
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I think it was Kalamazoo that was saying that he saw,
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They haven't really told us that.
So.
I don't know, but most of them involve
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm not sold, but it's not us.
Maybe we get to do a presentation on something
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It'll probably be us having to give a PowerPoint
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Some very big, slices of that wheel
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Yeah.
There's a compliment, at least there was
a compliment, I don't know if that's still there
because they already hit it once.
Luckily on a block that I wasn't on, but that would be a disaster.
I could land on for very, very long time.
But how I'd have to lie.
Yeah, which I mean, I guess, you know, a lot of compliments end up being
lies sometimes.
So it's allowed.
We've also got a couple of story based ones.
I kind of just willingly have been tossing out my stories right now, but for free.
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Oh, my God, Goop is just getting absolute difficult.
Well, it was sort of difficult and then he had a lot of stuff to dodge
while he's going on.
Well, actually it looks like he's just got blue, green, blue, green,
blue, green, blue, green, orange as his colors here.
Let's see, though, starts off with star.
Oh, no. Oh, I think it's a weak aura tricked him.
Is this weak aura beaming him? Dude, I like the instructional little like tidbits
Like, hey, this is where you're supposed to go.
This is what you did.
Well, yeah.
I think he's getting tricked by following it.
Yeah, that's always fun.
Whenever you have a week or a breaking and like,
do you remember Firehack?
Yeah.
Like week or a troubleshooting.
That was such a great part of that fight.
You're just like, OK, everybody,
we have to go in one by one inquisition everybody
and see if your stuff's working properly.
because somebody doesn't have it working, right?
I'm so glad that there's been some level of effort
in getting rid of that with the game.
I'm glad, you know what I'm gonna say it,
I'm glad the Goop wipes there.
I'm glad that the add-on didn't work.
I think that bosses, you shouldn't be able to use
an add-on for.
And to be clear, the fact that they do still largely
work on it is perhaps evidence that the way
that Blizzard's gone about removing the add-ons
hasn't worked, but.
Well, they've got bigger things to worry about, like tuning.
Yeah, that's true.
The tuning has been something this year.
How can you worry about fixing add-ons, right,
when you've got to fix the second or third boss
or fourth boss on Mythic first?
And seventh boss on Normal, seventh boss on Heroic,
eighth boss on Heroic, eighth boss on Heroic again.
Eight boss on Heroic a third time.
Yeah, I suspect we'll be seeing some hot fixes.
Guys, we're spiraling.
We're spiraling.
We're in Clownland, we're allowed to spiral.
Yep.
Mythic Lair boss.
Presumably, Mythic Lair boss again soon.
Na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na
Alter fangs.
The dungeon.
Randomly needed like 10 nerfs as well.
Yeah, I'm not even going to criticize them on that one.
I'm glad that one happened.
Yeah.
The nerfs are the fact that there were nerfs at all.
No, I'm glad to have nerfs and I'm also glad that, you know, one key made
me feel a little something.
Yeah, it was fun as well.
I walked in there first time. I don't think I've ever clenched my butt cheeks harder
For an extended time. Oh, yeah, the the guys will like stack up and enrage on successful auto is uh,
That's a mechanic that if you don't know it's coming as a tank you are not going to play it properly
Mm-hmm, and you are going to
Yep
Me neither I was just seeing this thing on the bars going up. They're like, well, what's that?
Then I was looking at my release spirit button. I was like, huh, what's that?
I never see this button.
Hmm.
How did that get there?
What do you guys think of this one?
This dungeon?
Den of Nalorak?
Yeah.
Uh.
I don't.
I don't like it, but after having done it, it's not as dislikeable as I thought.
Yeah.
I still hate it, but just not as much.
I hated it in MZero Week.
I think the bosses are pretty fun.
Yeah.
don't like the long, like the trash section to this boss in particular feels pretty, pretty
miserable.
Really? I don't even think it's that bad. Cause like you can do it all in basically two pulls
and the mobs themselves don't pose that much of a threat, which I find kind of redeemable.
Dude it's just like I'm doing a, I'm walking a marathon in here to get to this boss.
It's a little slow perhaps, but I just don't like the first room more than this
stuff.
can be kind of frustrating. Jet has it down to a science parent. He's got it on a three-pole,
got it on turbofarm.
Yeah. Jet does more pugs than anyone I know in every aspect of the game.
Surprising me because the entire time he's doing it, I can hear him complaining about
the pugs.
Oh, yeah. You reserve the right to do it.
And he could be doing it.
Yeah, that's your purpose.
Absolutely. No, I agree.
If you're pugging, you're allowed to complain, right?
I just don't understand why a man with that many World of Warcraft friends resorts
himself to pugs.
You got to understand that subjects themselves to box. I should say playing something where you get to complain about it is part of the fun
Yeah, right is getting the ability to complain about something
Is a plus not a minus. I see okay plus also it makes you kind of like
The main character in
Like you're overcoming all odds despite how stupid everyone in my group is I have conquered what I needed to do
You're calling that a pick me.
A pick?
No, he's like a little.
Really?
No, not at all.
He's the most easily pleasing, you know, fantastic person of all time.
But yeah, he just loves a good old grind.
He'll willingly go into these things.
He does it every single season in every single form of content.
He'll go pug PVP and grind for like a specific rating.
He wants for a transmog.
He'll go pug keys.
He'll go pug raids.
He'll do anything.
You're actually, you're right.
Right is all coming together because he woke up this well. I was here. He came at like 7 30
I was like jet. Why are you here so early? He doesn't cast till 5 p.m.
He's like I got to get up and grind
He's talking about some PvP thing that he has to start some PvP arc that he's gonna start for the
The appearances or the mounts or something. Yeah, what's the illusion this season? I know cosmic last season was crazy
Yeah, that one was really cool. I missed it like venomous thing enemy. Yeah, oh
Yeah, it could be that could be worth the collecting. Yeah, there's a
a really cool PVP DK set too so I might actually get in on the PVP with Jet.
Yeah last last season I remember grinding it was like week one grinding 1600 for
the the catalyst charge was a was the thing to do last season. I'm looking hmm
Do a little solo chef. What is the rating do you know for the DK set? I think it's 21.
Yeah I think 21 for the full set 18 for like most of it or something yeah
usually how they do it yeah you're missing like the shirt or the tablet or
something and some maybe like the I know was the shoulders for the longest time
was like the last piece you got I think they made that easier though I think you
I think you get 1800 full set yeah 1800 yeah yeah okay okay so oh my god so
doable for a guy like me then yeah fantastic I'm not necessarily bad at
PvP but I do not have the right to say that I'm good in any way at all so I
can just get by chat somebody posts the midnight season to PvP rewards I
I can't find it.
1950 for the illusion.
Also, just within reach for a guy like me
to the point where I feel obligated to go for it,
but will be frustrated because I'm not good enough
to actually get it easily.
And then Tabird is 2100.
Yeah, okay.
So that's nice though.
Cause it used to be like the shoulders
were really high up there
and you couldn't get those
unless you went all the way near the top.
I don't know how you guys feel about it,
but I'm not rocking with the Tabirds.
I don't think they look great.
Yeah.
I never used a Tabird ever.
I like some of the like chain mail shirt Tabirds
Just they don't look like tabards and a lot of the transmigings I use them that just look like fair part of the
Armorset. Oh, THD is perked up. He's got a nice-looking item that
Bracer
Great item nicely done Steve Carell yeah
Yeah
He's a good luck charm to it seems like whatever group that he's in always gets good loop dropping in it
You know crafted bracers are a pretty normal
Expectation for people to want to get but you know you're never gonna pass up a socketed item
Especially if it's in a slot where you don't feel like the item will really makes a substantial impact
So yeah, he's got he's got two 92 braces right now
Which I think our pvp socketed bracers would be my guess
Oh, but he also crafted a weapon because he has a weapon crafted with his sparks. So
So, what he can do if he takes these bracers is he can move his other embellishment to a cloak.
He does already have a socketed belt, but it could go there as well because if you make a PvP craft, they can have a socket.
Or he could just put it anywhere else.
It's possible that he could play down an embellishment as well, but that's probably not worth it.
I mean, PvP cloak would be, I think, just a strict upgrade here.
So, my suspicion is that's going to be the craft.
Pretty minimal gain all things considered that item is not really all that crazy, but like yeah, it's still a double
I hope we do what a fun little surprise you have the mythic plus expecting to get like plus five on your
Random off pieces or something like that plus nine item levels on your off pieces and you got socket erasers
What a treat not bad at all
We got to take the small wins over here in cloudland, you know find any reason to be excited as we do an entire day of splits
Yeah, I'm curious how many we're going to do because, you know, we do need to get done
in the next 12 hours, basically everything, so Mythic Plus is good, but at a certain point
you've got to actually get all those splits done, right?
And the later you delay it, the more you're exposing yourself to the risk of like just
a random bad hour on a Entomb-Entomb sentinels in a split, and you're getting put in that
decision point of like, do we give up on Entomb sentinels in this split and go to the
next one?
Or, you know, what do we do?
I don't think they're going to struggle much with it anymore.
I don't think so, but...
The difficulty is just like seeing it for the first time, getting an expectation of what
the damage intake patterns are, right?
Like the red circle, the mythic mechanic that Vashnik puts on multiple people.
It's a little scary when you first see it and you're not used to using a defensive
on it.
It does a lot of damage if you don't clear it quick, but it's not asking the most
of you.
So now that they kind of had that set in their minds of like, okay, we got to
clear this quick.
Okay, if we get picked by that user defensive, that's already established.
They're probably just going to power up their characters a little bit, send a little bit
more crest, send a little bit more crafts, hit some Mythic Plus, and then make sure that
the wipe condition of the Berserk is no longer a problem.
And they're probably going to blow through those really, really quick, because similar
to how we saw on Witsbire last year, you know, like the first couple runs, sure, like
a little sketchy, you learn all the pain points of like what you can wipe to, and
then it becomes very standardizing and no longer becomes a thing you wipe to.
It's just, you know, if you, they take, they could take up to, you know, 1.5
or two times the amount of time you expect them to take, right?
You'd rather not have it be the last thing you do in the day
Yeah, I think you probably want to do it like after lunch rather than after dinner for instance quick little food buff
Everybody's powered up in the morning a little bit, you know, and then if it needs to take more time
You'd rather lose M plus time then you know lose the splits or be forced to grief your sleep schedule
Which I think is very much an unacceptable option today. Yeah
Did you guys have a lot of those on you yesterday? I didn't have any I had all the rest of the boss
but it was really, really good.
Oh yeah, those honey went fast, I think.
It was good.
The entire tray was empty, but it's on my god there.
Yeah.
I was rating, so I got there a little late.
That's valid.
I think a lot of people were grabbing seconds and thirds.
The garlic bread as well was not bad.
Lots of olive oil.
Yeah, very yummy.
Looks like we're going back into Temple,
so I think that means THD didn't get exactly
the item he wanted from it that time.
the bracers. A nice thing to grab but not necessarily the targeted item here. I know
there's a lot of people that do want Temple for various reasons one of the
more popular keys and a lot of good loot you can pick up from it. Absolutely, so
that is kind of what they've been doing for the morning but in the meantime
between these keys we do want to give a quick mention to our apparel for this
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And not only that it is signed by all of the Raiders and they worked very hard on it on their signatures
And my favorite game is who has the worst signature
This tier who's is who's is really bad?
They're all kind of bad. No, and to to their credit. It's kind of hard to write on
Yeah, it is. I like the fired up one here over on the shoulder. Just ifu, you know
Oh, yeah, I get off on the side. Yes. Let's see. I like Max's which is a way over up there
All by itself. I'm glad. Max's got a little pit signature going right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's good
Yep, she's in the in the mouth of the dragon. That's good. The snake as the case may be saying with dry knees is huge
Yeah, she's trying to go on tiny there. Oh
Hopeful got signature signature it's cursive going on almost
Yeah, that's good. It's very nice.
We're gonna get some more flourishes into our signatures, I think, here.
Would you like more pizzazz?
Yeah, yeah, some like, you know, different weird interpretations of the letters and stuff like that.
The jerseys are really comfortable now, too.
Yeah, they are.
We've got some really high quality jerseys. They feel kind of breathable, but also a little bit warm at the same time.
It's very adaptable.
Yeah.
So, they're really, really cool.
The jerseys almost always have a really sick design on them, you know.
I agree my candidate from this set is the the mouse pad. I think this mouse pad it goes
Oh, I agree. It's insanely hard. Yeah, and I like that
It's mostly dark, but still has really visible art on it. Yes. Yes, you know, usually I'm playing in the darkness
I don't want super bright mouse pad that'll uh, yeah, be in my peripheral vision
This one is mostly dark, but also still has some very nice
Heart on it. So you need to cut me one of those
I always just swap out between the races on my favorite ones
Yeah, I think the last one I have on my desk that I'm using is the hand circle on which was super sick
But this one takes the cake I think for the cool yeah, so far. I'm on the de mensius one right now
I'm enceus. Yeah, yeah, but this one. I I suspect I'll be upgrading to this one as well. I
Wish it was in like a blank. I would take it in a blanket for
Yeah, I would not mind we gotta get we gotta get the TL apparel team on to some like imagine we get like a snuggie
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I'd be down for that. I've been begging for a blanket a team liquid blanket every tear now
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Those I have the like the swim trunks that you got a model. Yeah
One of the many Atlas images that exist on the break timers I think for those poses your idea did they
I know they were telling me to pose seriously and I just would rip that nice
I think in shorts like that you can't pose too seriously and take yourself too seriously in those
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Well, you're wearing the the trifecta shirt today, aren't you? Yeah, I've got the this from Demensius. Yeah, that was a good tier
That was nice. Yes, I think I have I have last year's winners sweatshirt on
on. What do you have on? I have on the DERP shirt from last year, where it has the sun
well. Oh, the DERP bigger shirt.
Yeah, spin it around with the camera. Get a little turnaround.
Oh, yeah. Oh, okay.
Oh, my.
Got a little smiley sun face. Yeah, that's nice.
And the little DERP guy right here. Yeah.
On the chest area. They had that logo before they stopped, started making the DERP
shirts for Racial First. It was like already a running bit. I don't know what the
origins are. Just a little derpy. That's all. A little derpy logo. Absolutely. I picked
this shirt out in particular now that we're in Clownland on Monday splits. So it was a
very intentional choice for today's wardrobe. I think it makes sense because we are in
Clownland, as I said. Doing murder row. Yep. Fired up in the murder row in a section
of the dungeon that I haven't personally played in myself. I was just going to say that.
They are they know there is like a
Yeah, like we don't have counts. I think mom or they do need to get I think this will be the last bit of company
And then they can go boss. Okay, this looks like yeah
It's just off to the side that makes sense the last boss the two mobs that are like in the boss room or yeah
I think maybe miss over here or just jump the idea. What's this gonna be? Oh?
Wow a little skip. Oh
Someone's got tech. I wonder who's tech this was
And our uh, yeah, okay. Hey, oh my goodness. Are they gonna meld skip this it looks like they're meld skipping holy
We are getting
Yeah, that was cool. All right, and now we get to wait for the RP
This is our politics permanently long. Yeah, I agree. I can't tell yeah. Yeah that that green bar up on the top
Right does look like it's at a hundred
What an incredible innovative route.
Yeah. These are the kinds of things that you would miss if you tuned out of the stream once
you heard the face of a splits thing.
I just can't approve of it as somebody who likes to just hold W and fight everything
in my path.
Same.
I could respect the innovation.
Yeah. And you know, as one of those things where I wouldn't be surprised if in high
keys you end up wanting to dodge, say, all the robots in this dungeon because they
do seem rather criminal.
Yeah, the robots and the warlocks specifically. Yeah, all the warlocks are so cringe. Yeah, the warlocks just slow you down
Yeah, cuz they you can't stop them from doing their dark pact and drain life. It's just like BVP
Somebody you got a custom jersey for beefy five beefy five really for the liquid Jersey
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Yeah, we got to get the gang back together
I feel like all the casters though have sort of over the past couple of days realized that this is gonna be more of a marathon than a sprint and
You know, we're trying to pace ourselves and make sure that we're getting our full night's sleeps
Yeah, I didn't have a packet of sauce on my desk this morning. I was concerned. Yeah, I thought I was going to bed before me
What?
Yeah, I was here until like one this yesterday
Which is uh is early for me that I went home
That's early. Yeah. What time do you wake up and what time do you go to sleep if you were not at home usually like
Three or four a.m. That's it and then wake up it, you know the crack of noon. Okay, respectable nice little eight hours
Yeah, and here here. It's you know, two a.m. To nine a.m. Type
So like that's like seven. Yeah, you know, that's so respectable. Yeah, you know
At some point when you're trying to juggle rating and casting and all this other stuff
You start looking at that sleep and you're like, well, do we need the eight hours for a couple of weeks?
We've got our friend the monster energy here to help
Fill in for some of that sleep. I'm just an epi guy, you know
Yeah, I mean I outside the race world first. I'm very highly prized my eighth hour, but I'm like
I'm gonna cut it a little I'm way more strict. I think with myself when I'm not reasonable
I mean I get less sleep, but I think I like think more about yeah
I could do this key, but then I would get less sleep whereas at home. It's like if I'm tired the next day
It's not as much of a right. I don't want to be tired when I'm on broadcast. Yeah. Well, that's again where monster energy
Right, you're right. I did have a monster energy. You just get to to premium me in the the sleepiness. Yeah
Atlas so many this morning was asking me about the monster energy rules. Yeah, they guys have yeah
It's a caffeine rule
Caffeine in general but you know monster is the caffeine of choice for people on the roster. Yes. What what was the question?
Just like, you know, are they allowed to consume as many as they want?
Do they have to have like a cutoff time?
It doesn't interfere with their sleep because we know the caffeine can interfere with your sleep if you drink it too late in the day because of the
Half-life. So yeah, as much as you want within reason, right? If you're talking like 20. Yeah, that'd be bad. Not great. Good night.
But caffeine passed I think four or five p.m.
I think it's four p.m. Is punishable by death. So absolutely not.
Okay, it's uh, yeah, what is your THD? No punishable by death you grab one of those and you're done for so even THD is not immune
No, also, uh, I hate to say it. You know what? I mean, he's quirky. He's just a guy you got to respect it
He does not have caffeine in any form whatsoever
He has no coffee. He's never enjoyed it. He doesn't drink the monsters all that much
She doesn't like energy. I saw him pop and wonder in the key earlier. Really? Yeah. Yeah, actually, okay
So maybe my perception of his change. He's always lifelong just been a guy like a no caffeine guy, you know
Maybe just drinks it before yeah, but anybody gets here
It gives off the illusion of never drinking caffeine
But really his first monster before anybody can see maybe but like he is the guy to just raw dog things and just
It's like I'm doing it. You know what I mean? I just lived up, you know, that's the HD
He he has the seat closest to the monster fridge
I can imagine that the experience there would be a lot like like golem from Lord of the Rings
It's like how how do you resist the temptation? It is right there. Yeah, you can't it is hard
Yeah, and that thing is always well-stocked exactly labor's
But I think the worst we've ever had it was vault of incarnates like that's that's when it was just like caffeine overdose
Everybody's going crazy. That's when we had a couple of European players notably slap that guy was like 10 deep before lunch
You know yeah, you'd go to his desk and he preloaded three of them up
And he just has them sitting there waiting to chug like one by one by one
I know Nick is the notorious monster head, like he's like a lot of them, but it's a very
well known thing.
Like the longevity of the race is really important, and you know, caffeine does have diminishing
returns one, but two also does cause sleep problems for you later in the day if you do
have it too late.
So there is a rule like after 4pm, like starting at 4pm rather, like you're not allowed
to touch it anymore.
Just like think of your health as a whole and make sure that you're feeling well
rested.
Yeah.
And you want to preserve the ability to use it as a gas pedal on the final days
as well, right?
You're going to build up a tolerance if you're having too many of them before then I will say though
It gets a little bit more lenient once you're pushing for like an actual boss kill then if you need it, right?
Yeah, and you know that you know
You're willingly signing up for the fact that caffeine will grief your sleep a little bit
Hey, if you have it too late in the day, but you need the energy right now and and we're working on the last boss
We're getting really close. Yeah, no one's gonna stop you from cracking one
But I think it'd be crazy if somebody's just like saying they're chain sipping them. Yeah, or you know, it's like, hey I
I gotta, I gotta get full energy for this murder row plus 10.
Well, I need to be full power for this one.
I could, I could also understand it, you know what I mean?
It's probably the crushing weight of existence probably hits you in here on your 20th murder
row of the day.
This is a good way to put it.
Energy drinks are IRL Vantus runes.
Yeah, sparing you.
You gotta use them sparingly.
I set up actually, do you guys want to hear something insane?
Yeah.
I'm saying actually in this environment and I hope this to other people what I do in my brain and people think it's weird
But I've set up a whole system of buffs in my head for when you're like for when I go on for when I go on my like insanely long runs
Mm-hmm, and so a dog is a stamina buff. Okay a
Runner's wave like somebody waving at me like saying hello back. Yeah, it's like a like a combat potion
Okay flowers is an agility buff like if I see a nice flower
A bird is a spirit, a spirit, I know spirit, but spirit, spirit or an elect, I think that's it, but dogs are the most.
What would you attribute a buff to, like a nice scent when you're running by?
Ooh, a nice scent, I haven't done that, like smelling some flowers or something.
Ooh, I don't know, do you want to assign a scent? I haven't done that. I'm still working out the system in my head.
I would go like CDR, you know, like cool that.
Ooh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, nice CDR, okay, I like that.
Like maybe you're popping your your your adrenaline rush and then you know you
Smell a nice flower. Yeah, it's a nice clone like what yeah by or something like that
Yeah, it's bakery like a smell of a pastry and then suddenly you're cool. Oh, you're all great. Yeah, okay
I'm gonna alright. That's it. That is no meta, but it's like honestly it sounds so silly
But it actually I think helps you like walk through life in like a really like nice way
What kind of buff is it if you're mid-run and have to poop?
Well, there are debuffs.
There are debuffs.
If I wave at someone and say good morning
and they don't say it back, then that is a debuff.
That is a bleed or something.
I have to dispel it.
So that could be one as well.
The mid-run Hershey squirts.
Yeah.
An enraged timer.
Wait, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's an enraged timer.
But it's fun.
Oh, so MC is in the chat.
You've been really under running ARC creation.
Yeah, it's my new personality.
I love that for you.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
I feel like it's a common trope of somebody around our age,
at this point.
Yeah, you get like four different choices of things
you can make for personality.
I'm ready for a marathon, which
is why I feel really cringe whenever I bring it up,
because I feel it is very trope-y, but I don't know.
I don't I don't have time for group sports anymore really with my like streaming schedule. So I just I was like, okay
I'm gonna pick everybody pick their life crisis of choice. Yeah, and that's mine. So um popular pick
It's like a meta pick even it is it is yeah, it's I'm a bottom player really at the heart of it
It's like the marathon or the half marathon
I feel like every single person that I know that does not have kids around my age picks that I literally did a half marathon like two
weeks ago. Yeah, I
I can commend that though. I could not fathom. I don't remember the last time I ran.
I'm gonna send you some memes. There's a whole category of like meme videos of they
call them big boys running. It's so funny. It's like remember who you are big boy and it's like
just videos of like Hulk running and like big boys and football running. Yeah, it's really good.
I'm ethically opposed to the concept of running just for how it makes me feel.
That's fair, and you know everybody always says oh no, but like you feel so good after like mile three and get run
No, dude. Oh you do. I'm a block in and feeling like I'm about to have a heart attack
You know what I mean? My heart is pounding out of my chest. I'm heavy breathing somebody feels like somebody stabbed me in the chest
You know what given your track record, maybe you shouldn't run actually. Yeah, I know. You should do that
Yeah, you probably have some undiagnosed like large heart that you don't know about. Well my dad thought we didn't roll this on the
I'm just gonna spill it right now my dad's out of the family actually has a history of horrible heart disease and all them died
No, 30s. Yeah, let's not do that. Yeah, let's not do that
Well if anything I should be doing it so that you know, I keep my heart healthy and I don't become a statistic within the family tree
But yeah, you know, I do a little incline walk. That's that's the extent of my cardio
I think that's perfectly acceptable. And I skip it half the time
We're not doing zones we're doing survival
You know vibes where we're going until I can't which is usually about the eight-minute mark
They call that party pace
Well, you I mean you're really into lifting yeah, tell me about that
People think that you know weightlifting means you're healthy if anything. It's just made me mentally ill and
More unhealthy than I ever have
Yeah.
Yeah, but it's your big.
Yeah.
Yeah, your big and strong muscles.
Yeah.
My joking mean is inherently tied to this act that I have to ritualistically do every four
days and my sense of OCD compels me to do it, otherwise I go absolutely bonkers, but like
other than that, yeah, I'm great.
So how are you joking?
I'm talking 300 milligrams of caffeine before I go into work out.
Oh, bro.
Okay, yeah.
I mean, pounding out of my chest, I got like a resting heart rate of 95, but like,
you know what?
Yeah.
My parents are like, he's so strong, he's so healthy.
He goes to the gym, he exercises, you know.
really got his life together. It's all falling apart.
Just a stunning endorsement.
Get in the gym, it's good for you, allegedly.
Real quick, we do have some pet pictures, but what's your, what's your like, I don't know,
what is it, what's the bench press, PR, what is that?
Oh, let's not talk about that one.
Why not?
It's pathetic, it's really bad, yeah.
Oh, relatively right. You know, I am strong, but of every single lift I've ever done,
that one is like the least impressive bike I've had.
impressive PR that you're most proud of?
Um, RDL's probably, yeah.
Okay.
It's a weird one.
I can RDL 420 pounds for six.
Holy moly.
Holy moly.
And then, deadlifting-wise, I've deadlifted 495.
And then on the hack squat, I do six plates on each side for about six.
That's like 620 pounds.
Jesus Christ.
And then back squatting, I've done 405 which is four plates.
And then hip thrusts, I've done five and a half plates.
I don't know how many plates that is.
I think that's like five hundred sixty.
Pros measuring in plates, that's how much weight you're lifting.
It's pretty good for a beginner, right?
Yeah, it's not bad.
Some nice novice lifting.
So if you were more athletic, what kind of things would you be doing instead?
Well, for a majority of my life...
That is the eight question you're not supposed to ask.
I'm trying to get to the clouds right now.
Yeah, you just said I'm not athletic, but whatever.
I play tennis for most of my life actually.
Oh!
So yeah, I was a big tennis head.
I played, it was like my life in high school growing up.
I play for 10 plus hours every single day.
So I'm probably doing that.
Is Ironic about tennis?
Yeah.
Oh.
Yeah.
You fucking wimbled him?
Zyronic is beast at tennis, dude.
Yeah, I heard it.
He's really, really, really good.
It always makes for a fun experience
when we play ping pong at these events,
because like, you know, for tennis
it comes intuitively.
And you can tell like he plays tennis
from how he plays ping pong.
He's by far and away the most skilled ping-pong player in the building, but he's not the one
to go play all the time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I had a point from chat that I'm trying to not let you get away with hiding the bench.
Alright, alright, dude, guys, okay, fine.
I have no shame in it.
I didn't even do it.
I benched 230, which is two plates and a little marshmallow on the sides.
And it's been that way for six years.
I benched the little marshmallows, so don't, you know, don't...
Well, don't make me trauma dump.
I will trauma don't to make you feel bad about it. That's my project. Oh man
It's my funniest thing that I like to do because like you know, I I do this little coy thing
I'm like, oh my god guys like I don't even bench that much. You know what? I mean, like, oh, don't bully me
I'm just a little teeny weeny. Just a little guy. You know what? I mean and people like eventually they keep playing on to and they're like
All right, dude. Just tell me what you bench and I'm like 230 and they go really
For like all your other lifts. That's so small and then immediately deadpan
I go. Yeah, but I was like paralyzed from the neck down for a long period of time with a rare disease that nobody else
Scott and I have to like climb back from being 105 pounds and I have arthritis and every single joint my body
Do you feel good about that now? And then they go. Oh my god. Where has this gone? I just go just kidding Tee he
I think you just did that to us. I think that's just what happened to us. No, it's not me
I was just relaying what was it was seen in chat. I personally, you know was that was being very supportive, of course
Yeah, speaking of support you guys have been sending in pictures of your pets for $30 with a link to a picture of your pet so that we can
Looks like that rock is on his back and he's hauling it up a mountain. That is a beauty patootie
Where is that it looks like Arizona
Does look Arizona
Maybe so cute is an automist in the chat. He knows how to strike pose for the camera, you know, like this isn't first rodeo
Yeah, very photogenic absolutely. Yeah, like when the show dog people like make sure they're paws are in the front
And their tails are upright and stuff like that
Do you guys know what I'm talking about? Yeah, okay. Yeah. Yeah, just make sure you're following. Yeah, of course
Well, we do have some more coming so if you haven't seen your pet don't worry
Maybe we'll be coming we're doing some splits. We're talking about weightlifting and we're gonna look at another dog bubbles. Oh my god
Oh, we got a turtle tortoise
Tortoise oh no
Yeah, one's in water and ones is this is a turtle. This is a turtle. Sorry bubbles if I offended you by calling you a tortoise
So sorry, but it is a turtle. Wow those things live forever. What a cutie-pity. Very sweet. Nice heat lamp. I
Like the pillow on the left the is it a
Hard time
figuring out what's going on my depth perception is not yeah, yeah
Yeah, it's just like I do this and I'm like I don't know what we're looking at. It's like a
Visual illusion. Yeah, you know, but I do see a turtle. I okay, whatever it is. I can see the turtle on the left
Yeah, it's almost like it's like down into the the water. Is it water? Yeah, I think it's in water
Okay, cuz turtles are aquatic whereas tortoises are land
Yes
Yes, I believe so. Yeah. Yes, so that's like a turtle tank
I think we need more more animals in this category that is a snake tear I'm
rocking with bubbles I think probably the most endearing turtle photo ever
didn't get it until now but we need a screenshot that turtle face and turn
it into a 70 viewmoat. It's so good. Tap me up, says Bubbles.
It almost looks like he has buck teeth.
He's doing it right, yeah!
Wow.
Thank you for Bubbles. That was a treat.
Wow, yeah. More turtles. More reptiles, please.
Great name also for Bubbles, I feel like, since I don't know, there's like, Bubble
Mickey Mouse.
Yeah.
And any Bubbles.
Yeah.
For an aquatic animal.
I think it's great.
What was the question in chat?
So they do mythic splits and that's why they're not pushing for more bosses. They've done some so I believe like would have done it to
three of eight mythic splits and
Method have a couple hours ago proved that the fourth boss is not only possible, but potentially splitable
Yeah, it might require a specific combination of specs
I think you're gonna want two death knights for that boss
Yeah, which they might not have access to in all their splits currently
But I expect that liquid will do some number of additional mythic splits today
at some point. Word on the street whispers in the wind is that method is
opting into doing less splits so their splits maybe less splits more bosses yeah
or might be a little bit more powerful in terms of like individual character
power yeah which you know liquid could see now and kind of get like a
reference of you know how strong do we need to be yeah that's gonna be the
the thing to check. Oh my goodness. Oh my god. We've got some here in the face. Love
the high ground. If cats can find their way on top of something, they will do it. Case
in point. Yeah, you can see the pathway that's happened here with the refrigerator sticking
out like that providing a perfect midpoint for the jumps. It's a very simple picture,
but it's telling a story. It really is. Yeah. Two cats perched up. They're like
watchtower or not the watchtower is the watch cards yeah yeah yeah like the almost uh like some
elden ring bosses yeah i have a high grout yeah which one do you think is sefira and which one
do you think is sage sefira is on well i know the answer but okay well are you trying to guess
i keep cheating well i i did not cheat on the persian idioms i did not but i did cheat on this
one I think it's left and right I think it's in order like names yeah it is
you're right yeah Saphira and Sage Saphira was a from is this like a book
like did I match these games these names go together I'm not I'm not sure I'm not
sure you never heard it no it's cool name though oh the from Aragon okay it's
from Aragon really I yeah have you read that yeah I have not countless times
but it's like you know a lifetime ago yeah I read I think I read it once but
when I was like half my age.
OK, sometimes, sometimes, yeah, very long time ago.
I think I read that one when I was like 10.
Yeah, so I guess it's more than that ago.
Oh, oh, my God.
Oh, wait a minute, we propped another animal.
Yeah, hang on. OK, I see.
Oh, meet Bunny. Oh, I was going to say that.
Bunny's just Merca have.
This is like a third bunny that I've seen
versus throwing cash at that cuto.
What a well-loved bunny too. Yeah
It does like the right half does look cat-ass
Yeah, I was looking at I was like I could see the cat
That ear the ear were starting me off. I was like is that like a hoodie, but yeah
I could see it is it's a bunny not a cat that makes sense. I love it's a little droopy ear, too
Yeah bunnies and cats make make fun friends as well because they
Like grooming than other animal for one of them is a sign of dominance and for the other sign of submission
Oh!
So they're like, yeah.
Just both very, having a great time.
Wait, I didn't know that.
That's very interesting.
Yeah, yeah.
It's just an infinite loop.
Yeah, yeah.
Energy, yeah.
They're both content with each other.
Yeah.
They're both like, yeah, they respect me as the top dog.
I get it.
Oh.
Oh, apparently it's all the same bunny.
Remember, it just keeps submitting photos.
I love it.
I am not upset about that.
Not even a little bit.
I like it.
I want to rub.
Do bunnies like their bellies rubbed?
That looks like a pet my belly pose from any other animal, but I don't know if
The bunny is doing that.
I'm not bunny initiated, but I find it hard to believe
that they're not confrontational,
but have many qualms.
Yeah.
They're like a qualmless peck.
Yeah.
If I had to assume, but who knows?
Maybe bunnies can get a little bit wild.
Oh wow.
Chat's still talking about weightlifting.
That is, this guy.
You see that message?
We've got some injuries, buddy.
Science, yeah, we're doing physiotherapy in the chat.
They're keeping it running.
I'm basically strong at anything in the gym
that involves my legs or my butt and then outside of that it's just all
relatively comparatively not as impressive but yeah the gym's fun yeah I
started going recently started really recently yeah I told you I remember
because I wore my converse I was like oh my gosh I feel like Atlas I have to
send him a picture of my shoes the Chuck's yeah my Chuck's classic gym
shoe yeah I felt very gym girl I felt like a bit of a poser yeah but you know
those booty shorts like the defi- oh wait hold on. We have a snake! From a great
username garage did nothing wrong. Oh my gosh! Is that snake like wrapped around
the back of a motorcycle as well? That's just metal yeah. Yeah dude imagine like
just driving down the street in your motorcycle and you just got a snake
like curled around the back yeah. Oh my goodness. Is this the first snake we've
had on broadcast or have you guys seen a snake before? This race I think. Yeah this
race. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very dramatic. Yeah. Hit in the
second range pose blasting the ceiling with the green beam.
Very sweet snake. That a corn snake? No, I'm not going to
pretend to know. Um, it's like the one that everybody has.
Hi, the Alaskan River Snake. Is that what it is?
Reticulated Python. You guys are so close. Yeah. What in
the heck okay I my guess was corn snake but I I'm gonna get laughed at for that
but I know they're a reptile enthusiast in the chat I like how chats just all
really on board with reticulated Python as if it's common knowledge yeah I don't
know whether I'm out of the loop or if we just don't make specialist no no I
know that psychosa has a is like a reptile girly and then Elbrewth is
also a reptile girly so my favorite game to play is Elbrewth is my
boyfriend. We go to the zoo and I will hide the name of the snake or the reptile and people
just know the full guvvy name. That's really annoying.
I'm not knowledgeable about things that terrify me. And I think snakes fall into that category
just a little bit.
That's fair. That's fair.
You know, I know the big three. I can point out a rattlesnake if you show me one.
That's fair. I like rattlesnakes. They stop rattling.
What?
They've evolved to kind of stop rattling because people will hunt them down.
But their rattles well, I saw one not too long ago and that thing really really really really liked rattling
That's good. That's good. Some of them still got it. You know, yeah, they haven't thought they got that dog
Yeah, they're falling off you know, yeah, I saw bull snake the other day massive
So I'm just not why you're not reading this to your Alice the fear of snakes
Fear of maybe splits. Yep
That's a good fear up the rate nights that you've done so far. How many of them have been splits versus
Does Lucid you split so you guys? Yeah, we do two runs. Okay, the answer is every single one of them
We are a heroic progression guild much like everybody else in the game right now. That is awesome
So yeah, we went in being like, oh guys, okay
Let's talk about playing if we get four out of eight mythic done first week like before the raid came out
Right. It's so doable dude. We could do this at all like numerous the wavecaller
It's like a one-shot like first boss one shot
Maybe the turtles you need to like think a little bit like one shot, you know, oh my god
Maybe you can like pull Vashnik we get in there like hi guys. Well first right didn't stop
We've done one heroic raid. Cool. Hopefully the next thing goes better
Yeah, you fell off her. I did fall off. That's why that's why I'm casting
I'm washed up. Yeah, it's I think a lot of people got reality checked by
Different I think everybody experiences it at some point on like Tuesday Wednesday or Thursday of just like ah
Ah, this tier is not one of those tiers where we can just count on easily collecting loot.
We've got to really fight for it.
Got to work for it a little bit.
Love that, though.
Yeah.
To an extent.
Yeah.
I think that in some places it makes a lot of sense, but, you know, Mythic Nimmersion
or Wavecaller probably doesn't.
Yeah.
Heroic Cool Attack, I think absolutely is great to have around this level of difficulty.
Maybe slightly lower, but around this level felt really good.
For week one, yeah.
Yeah.
I wouldn't be nerfed by gear a lot tomorrow.
I wouldn't be that surprised if the total amount of Venom sucking that you need to do in that
last phase was reduced by a couple seconds.
I think that would be the clearest disparity between what it feels like it should be and
what it is.
That's the last thing that I'm looking at that functionally just seems a bit too punishing.
Numbers are fine.
It's going to be nerfed by gear a little bit.
Over time the players get a little bit more powerful.
damage check won't really be as big of a concern starting tomorrow but yeah sucking down those
uh venom debuffs in the last phase just seems way too punishing like you miss a couple ticks
and the guy's just instantly dead and there's no fixing that that seems to be a problem.
Aliria! Oh my gosh I thought I forgot about this we got the the kitten version and every tier
they send an updated picture! So big and grown up! Oh my queenie! Aliria's all grown up.
I like that Illyria still is transfixed on something that fate is holding up and out of the frame.
They've got the same facial expression in all four pictures.
Maybe a little bit more ADHD kicking in.
Maybe a little bit, yeah.
There's a little tech bag.
Yeah, oolah tech really.
She looks so regal now though.
Wow.
Beautiful cat.
Wow.
I love black cat.
Yeah.
I love the ears.
Yeah.
I was going to say that she's grown into her ears, but I don't know if that's true.
Maybe so a little more growing to do.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Very she's going up, but not like out yet.
Yeah. Yeah.
Still working on that.
Yeah.
Some some black cats, I think some cats,
but you can really see it on black cats have like quite literally
like pattern baldness around their ears.
You know, you can kind of see their skin.
Yeah. Some black cats.
That's I think that's like a form of cat baldness.
My brother just another me.
Yeah. Yeah.
Very sweet. Love the pupils especially in the Ghost of Koresh patch.
Yeah.
Alright, well Shay, out of the chair.
Oh wait, was that him right there?
No.
That was not.
Yeah, instinctively, as soon as I came out of the chair, I turned around and looked around.
I always love Shay's character names. They're always just so obscure and hilarious.
He's on Angry All See right now.
Yeah, the warrior.
Yeah, I'm not surprised to see him prepping several warriors because it doesn't look like a particularly feral druid deer and it does look like a
An arms warrior here, and they don't have like a lot of water mains to be fair
When is it ever looking like a feral druid deer?
Yeah, Mirjusel was the last time that it was like really nice to have a feral druid on your roster
It was good on the next King Salvador for Joe mega, you know, he is leveling in a feral druid though
Yeah, he does I should say not only he's got the fuck yeah if they want a feral druid
it'll be him but also they might just have been on a warrior I think it's
pretty likely we've got Wall Life Wolf Disco also able to play the Warriors but
Shay an extra option as well if they want three or if they want Wolf Disco on
Warlock or any of the various combinations of things that might happen
here is Wolf Disco in the facility I think this is the first time he's been
here since he was here for Undermine okay yeah yeah so I guess not that
Longman unfortunately got the kill sniped away from him four pulls before it got killed
He was in for all progression then Cindy came in on a mage that I geared up last second
Mage was something on on galley wicks. Yeah, it turns out you could have done it with anything
Yeah, you know the mage was definitely one of the best ways to do that fight as easily as possible
Which yeah probably felt bad, you know knowing that the damage check is doable with you still in the comp and then yeah
It's popped out for something else, but
But that's how it works here, right?
You just thought it was the best thing.
Yeah, you contribute.
You just do your part in the race, and you feel fulfilled.
I think of all world firsts to miss missing those 47 through 50 of Gallywix.
Probably doesn't feel too bad.
Yeah, no.
It's all good.
But yeah, he's on his DK.
So that's something exciting.
We got DKs.
Yeah.
Can't wait to see what they do.
So it's interesting because Death Knight looks like it'll be pretty good on Vashnik.
Yeah.
At least to bring an awful lot of value to that encounter to let you death grip the orange ads over wherever you want
Now are you talking about blood DK or DPS? Either one would work for that particular job. Yeah, but blood I think is a
Probably the better overall class right now. Yeah, but next week. We do know that frost that night is getting some pretty sizable buffs
It's not bad. Yeah, 15% damage to obliterate 6% everywhere or something like that. Yeah
They're non-negligible, so the class will probably be in a respectable spot in the grand scheme of things.
Maybe not something that Race World First players opt into.
It's still considerably behind.
You know, what is the top dog?
Then you've got a combination of like, they're actually pretty good at the heart phase on ULTEC heroic even already, right?
The spec lines up pretty well against that.
Just the damage profile and on Mythic, there are extra adds.
We don't know what they do, like what they look like, yet in terms of...
They're little slimes, yeah.
Yeah, we don't know, you know, are they gripable?
are they stunnable, are they slow, are they fast,
you know, where do they spawn,
how fast do they need to die?
Like all these things are question marks.
And depending on the answers to those questions,
death knights could be useless
or they could be mandatory for managing
that part of the fight.
So having access to them as a race to world first guild
is very important.
For the rest of us, we can kind of see, right?
We can see, do Liquid use them?
And if the answer is yes,
then we have a little bit of time to actually prep them.
But Liquid need to be ready for whatever
That boss throws it then.
The other thing I noticed about the Ullatech room as well.
You know in that second phase when you go down one of the hallways,
the room is symmetrical and there is another set of two hallways
the other direction that could get used on Mythic 2.
So I don't know for sure if that will get used,
but currently it's unused space in the terrain on Heroic,
and whenever you see that little alarm bell goes off in your head,
I wonder.
But also, I feel like there's a lot of that speculation in Gallywix.
True.
And Amir Dressil.
yourself. Also like oh look there's all this stuff over here then it just kind of
was a little bit disappointing but maybe not this time we'll see. You never know.
Yeah we'll see. You know in terms of what the mythic component is to the phase 3
of the Ulucatech encounter you can infer that the slimes that they added in
are maybe gripable and to be explicitly gripped. You know like they have
pretty publicly said that they intend for grip to be a red buff that you
want, especially in the higher echelons of rating. It's like a design incentive for them
to make sure that you feel like you need a death knight and you're glad to have one.
So it'd be very odd if there wasn't something to grip after having made such a statement.
And then the dungeon journal itself, you know, it's like an ominous entry where it just says
that there's these small little slimes that seek out venom, which makes you think, okay,
well, if they reach venom, it's bad. How would you stop it from reaching venom?
Ah, I'll grip it.
It seems like a one-to-one kind of thing.
So it's pretty safe to infer that you'd
want grip in some capacity for that specific mechanic.
How it plays out, how many there are, where they are,
what happens if you don't do it, all that is still to be seen.
Because you might have one blood decay,
you might have one blood decay, and two DPSDKs
to make that happen, right?
It's TG doing twos.
Did I just see a arena?
Yeah, he's got a little bit of BP.
So TG on our second screen just did,
Yeah, I did a quick Tuesday game with the Drainster actually because when you win your first Tuesday game, you get a quest that gives you nine of the Heraldry items, which he has now, and that lets you craft 292 PvP pieces, which can be socketed with a PvP item that is purchasable with a combination of gold and honor.
honor you always need at least 5,000 honor and then you know there's 7,500 but
you can buy those off the auction house and there it is yeah that setting is
gonna mean that if he crafts bracers which if he's on THC lock J he probably
doesn't need to anymore because this is the character that got the bracers out
of the okay no he's on THC lock so yeah this character doesn't have the
braces that just dropped in that temple he was in earlier so he is gonna
pvp craft and he's gonna pvp craft into a socketable slot yeah it's a very very
quick power game yeah for an easy craft so assuming you just have the honor
banked up for the socket you can just go do one singular pvp yeah rated win you
get the craft immediately you get to add a socket onto it you get to put an
embellishment on it so it's like a decently respectable champion track
equivalent craft with a socket and if you don't care about the time as much
you can get it from an Epic BG win as well, which is a lot more, you know,
chill than a two's win potentially.
So, yeah, I mean, it depends.
I would say I, I was doing this earlier.
It's kind of like the thing where it's like I'm doing some other stuff
so I can sit in a queue, but I can't really do twos, right?
And if you are a lion's right now, I would queue as Horde.
I would talk to the recruiter and go Horde.
All I'm saying is like, it seems like in the Epic BGs, it's like
90% Horde win right now.
The Slayers rise, they just exert the boss faster than the Alliance does every single time I've seen it.
I don't know, I don't want to infer too much from the table size of like six Epic BGs that I've done across my characters,
but I think it's been, I think Horde went either 5-1 or 6-0 in the Epic BGs I played.
So funny because we have such a different experience with it back when I was doing the BGs last year.
It felt like queuing in as Horde was a death sentence.
It did get a slingshot the other direction.
Interesting, yeah.
If you got like a signed Alliance, because they do the thing right now where like you basically play as either Faction
faction even without being it. If it's in balance, then you felt like you were a
guarantee to win. Yeah. Yeah. So my theory behind this, it was always Horde
winning BGs for a really long time just because the PvP community was on Horde.
Right. And then they removed the like the faction like social restrictions. And I
think it kind of balanced out a little bit. But people started going Merc mode,
which meant that it was still kind of Horde. You went Merc mode and then you
played for Alliance. And I feel like the people were going Merc mode were
were better and were sweaty, which meant that Alliance was always winning. And now it's just
kind of like a free-for-all. I think it's just mind-blowing swing every tier.
You get a little sample of like the few that you do and you kind of infer for the whole
server, but definitely I'm not super confident. Just in my experience, I went, I hit the
Merc mode after like losing a couple and then I instantly won the next one and I was
like, all right, feel pretty good about this.
Yeah, I haven't done that in a while though.
Yeah, it sucks though because you know if you're your whore your whore do you lose access to haymaker?
Greatest racial of all time
BAM
It's nice little colt here and punch. Yeah, I love that thing
Were you just imitating that bang? Yeah, ah punch the colt here and the haymaker
Oh, I thought we're doing the uh, like the uh, the weak word sound bang
Yeah, yeah, that thing bang or bam, bam
BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM
I didn't use that one so no yeah, not a not a I don't either. Yeah, I use the ones
Honk honk the ones
Yeah, yeah, that's when I like a lot. Yeah, who had a rubber ducky didn't tell Bo how like a rubber ducky
Bound to something like pretty common in his rotation
I can't remember. There's been some really annoying ones to cast and like it's like a thing where it's like you you hear it sometimes
You're like am I going correct?
The infamous Ben, the Ben looping air horn. Yeah. Oh my god. Yeah
The bell noise just dong dong dong dong dong dong dong. TFC had one for a while as well
That was uh, I think it was on the Jailer. He had a looping air horn for something
I'm a big air horn guy. Yeah, I picked like one one important thing, and then I just make it. Oh, yeah
Boy me of course we've got quidado for those
The race to world last that Max was watching of Lura. There was a guild who's watching somebody who just had quidado
every single ability
About to happen. Was it mechanics that were coming in?
entire bigwigs every single like
Quidado
I mean you can never be too. Quidado really. Yeah, that makes absolute sense
Quidado
It was awesome. I think it wasn't Spanish-speaking guild as well or like
There is a lot of merit to having like countdowns in another language because it can you sometimes you can start tuning out for like
Oh, that's true.
Two, one.
So there's people in my guild who swear by, like,
OK, this ability is a Russian ability.
OK, this ability we're doing in Chinese.
I'm not going to out them, right?
But there have been liquid players in the past
that had the anime voice countdown.
Oh.
Oh, my god.
Japanese.
Oh.
Not going to say who.
No, say it.
Can I guess?
No, you can guess.
I will not confirm nor deny.
I will not give any hints, but it was a thing.
I had this pleasure of hearing it.
My guess is sang.
No, that one I will act. He's not one.
I actually will deny that one solely for the purpose of saying that saying
wants everything to be the state of what it is within the game.
That's true. He does listen to in-game music.
He's an in-game music for the boss.
Voice lines turned on.
He has immersed himself in hopeful, not answering.
Okay. Oh, here he pre-declared that he wasn't going to answer.
You're right. You're right. You're right.
I'm just I'm basing the tone.
I do know that Hopeful had a last time
to hit the the meet the playlist that he was listening to throughout the entire
tier was called girly pop playlist.
Oh, yeah, he's a girly pop guy.
He is a total girly pop.
It was like Sabrina Carpenter, Olivia Rodrigo, some Taylor Swift in there.
And as he's as he's just, you know, that's a man that coughs at it in his masculinity.
That's right. Absolutely.
We love a confident masculine man.
That's not a friend. And even more confident in his femininity.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. We love it.
Haters gonna hate? Hate, hate, hate, hate.
That is, that's king behavior right there.
In the wise words of Taylor Swift?
Bring flag? Yeah. Oh, yes. Exactly. Yes. Absolutely.
Grilly Pop is a universal term in my eyes.
Yep. Anybody can be a Grilly Pop.
Mm-hmm.
Gender neutral. Yeah.
Hopefully currently in Silver Moon looking another monitor.
I've seen quite a few players in Silver Moon now as well,
which isn't a good sign that we might be maneuvering away from
running Mythic Plus over and over again.
doesn't look like THD does have some tailoring orders that he is placing
and then he's going to craft for himself. Now a little bit of a grief here is
that he did put a fairly high commission on this and whenever you end up
crafting your own commission you end up just basically paying the consortium
a percentage of it. So here he's just lost 300 gold to the artisan's consortium
there. Question. Yes. Do you guys feel like crafting is a little bit
bloated and confusing. It's definitely a general player base.
It's not intuitive for sure. It's not. Yeah. I have to, because I know that I get really
overwhelmed and confused. And I can't imagine how it feels for someone that's kind of on
their own, trying to figure this out and doesn't have like somebody that already knows what
they're doing to kind of walk them through it. Because every time I've had to learn
crafting, I literally had somebody hold my hand and tell me how to do it.
I think that's things like, it's just another game system that you kind of
have to learn the rules of and understand and for a few expansions it wasn't that
right. For a few expansions it was trivial difficulty to understand how
crafting worked right. So was that a good thing that you have to like there's a
learning curve? I think it's good that it's involved you know like it is a
mainstay system in the game and there since the very very beginning and for
a really long time it became so unimportant to the point where it
felt like alright why is this in the game? Nobody ever did it. So yeah kind
of returning to a sense of you know they're in that sense of very
The high importance in crafting it's very wow, you know very RPGs and they found a way to give it a lot of power as well
Sparks and crest crafting is very powerful
Mm-hmm. I have a nitpick which I think the embellishment system like every expansion
They just come with 40 embellishments and like 38 of them are so bad
You would never use them. Yeah, and then the one that's the best is like boring as hell
But it's good. Yeah, there was that one season in Dragonflight where it's like we had Spork
You remember sport cloak and like that was like a really powerful defensive option or you could get a decent chunk more power
Offensively than you could get right now and like that was interesting and cool
And then I feel like since then we have never had an interesting embellishment decision
Well, even when they're interesting and cool or powerful almost like a weekend they get nerfed to the point. Yeah relevance
You know what I mean? Yeah, you're staring down 70 80% nerfs on these things. It's like, all right, dude
What was the point in even making it cool to begin with? Yeah. Yeah
So that's my gripe with it is the accomplishments feel really wrong. Yeah, yeah
Definitely is a lot different than how it used to work though when it was a
Little bit more prevalent like before it kind of fell off of it. Yeah, you just be you'd had you just needed the mats
Right. Yeah, you just crap need the mats now, but the math are a lot more
You know the quality thing is definitely like yeah, there's an extra layer to it
Yeah understanding how that works and like what you need to be able to guarantee something versus having to use your
ingenuity on it.
Someone's in chat all caps.
I want Larry.
It's back.
I made millions.
Larry.
Yeah.
Larry boy.
Yeah.
Infamous dude.
That guy was literally the savior of our guild.
Yeah.
Getting the Larry pattern was impossible.
So hard.
You know this person?
Who?
Oh, okay.
I thought you were referring to this person.
No, no, no, no.
Crafty or liquid.
Yeah.
Every single Larry.
Their character name was Larry.
It was getting the pattern was so rare.
He was one of the very few people in the entire region to have it.
And we reached out to him and were like, Hey dude, you can craft Larry.
That's literally every single person's piss.
much do you want for it like we'll give you like a book order and you can make all of our
lariants supplied every single lariat within the guild almost oh my gosh for the entire
tier was there a cool down on crafting that no it was just the price was set very high
because the recipe was very expensive okay I just didn't know if like how long it would
have taken him to actually craft all of that that's interesting that was my goat dude he
crafted like hundreds of these things within our guild nice wow I bet he still is a do
Do you know how much of gold did he make approximately?
It's like hundreds of K per graft.
But the thing is, it was a compounding effect
because we were publicly making it such a thing as like, oh my god,
Larry, boy, the goat.
So everybody in the community as whole was like, oh, Larry.
If you were on Ellen, you just sent a personal order, right?
Yeah, yeah.
He had a monopoly on the thing.
He was like the Rockefeller of the Dragonflight
grafting, you know?
Yeah.
Somebody asked me how I think of Final Fantasy 14's grafting
system.
OK, so I looked at it.
it looked too complicated and I said no thank you
it's I don't need my this
it's cool
but like yeah
I don't think it's more complicated it's more just like another system that I
didn't really feel like learning when I'm not like a sweaty player in 14
I would really like
well the Warcrafts crafting system to operate in this way where
it wasn't necessarily like a embellishment or something like that but
maybe a little bit more classic-esque in the fact that like
specific professions craft unique items that like might just be your base
and you know it is accessible
but like maybe you have to work for it really hard to get the pattern and it
eventually becomes this but might not be like a consideration for race world
first guilt. Yeah, you're thinking like a couple of weeks in like the general
player base is using this item consistently. It has a fun quirky weird
proc. You know what I mean? Yeah. You're not limited into like the
embellishment aspect of it where you're like and maybe it still uses the crests
as well right to make it tie into that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it's a
very powerful item that's established as your base has a cool unique effect
on it. Like everybody is standardized within that specific item but
Like you know it's not like a let's say like there's a two-handed sword like Lionheart execution or something like that
Has the same similar kind of proc all the two hand strength guys get that as like their proc
Let's give like casters like a ring or something like that and they has like a completely separate proc that like all the casters generally like
Something along those lines that'd be cool. Yeah, that'd be like innovative and like a little bit of a throwback to like the older version of the game
Which doesn't feel like it's just locked into this embellishment crafting system. That'd be that'd be I like that
Yeah, I remember there's been some
toying with like bosses dropping a specific crafting item or it's like yeah
you know we killed Ultec and we got Ultec's left scale claw and how we can
use this to make you know these new recipes and it's like a very powerful
item right but you kind of have to engage with the crafting system for it. Yeah you
earn the crafting materials from it from doing content in the game that's
very difficult and you get a reward that is fitting for what you have
accomplished. Yeah I don't know there's always this tension right
because there are people who like the rating aspects of the game but who do
not want there to be any like thinking about or grinding of crafting stuff.
Right.
And you're, and then there's people who want crafting to be interesting and
profitable and fun and its own mini game.
And almost by definition, every time you make one of those groups happy,
you're making the other man.
Yeah.
Well, let's even get like a little bit more into it.
Right.
Let's say the crafting item comes from mythic gulitech, but it's tradeable.
Whoo now all you get to make some gold yeah your item right like give it a weekly component
That takes a long period of time for you to get it for yourself first right yeah
The sense of investment and then you get the item and then now you can sell it to players who don't otherwise want to do
Yeah, go tech but can still get the basically you get to you get the benefit of doing a boost
I'm gonna bring a buyer in right yeah item and then you sell it off. Let's double dip. I'm rubbing my hands together
Yeah, don't mind if we do
All right, we're gonna let chat discuss that though and in the meantime we're gonna head into a monster energy listen in and we will be right back
Yeah, thanks
You got to become one with like the way of the things working like if you're you think like oh aro crit verse fucking quick blade bone
Yeah association
you know lots of fucking weird spec now that wants like haste or some dog shit
it made sense when muck was first mastery harmonious but you know not anymore
now we're just gonna play a little bit back to that I don't think muck was
like playable when it was stuck in the house every day
We still missing.
Sevi and RonaldLadikos.
They're standing over.
I think I was pretty gross and uh,
hasn't finished my dungeon.
That was the one.
We gotta do splits after a fucking
group break. Think about it.
I have the groups ready for set up all the ship to the next story ride.
Yay!
Yay!
Yay.
Good, thanks for the summon guys.
You're no problem bro.
I got you right now.
I'm here, you're good.
I have arrived.
You've arrived, Senor Jose.
Your name is Senor Jose.
How do you say that funny n letter?
And yeah, I think I think you're supposed to pronounce it. Is it just an or senior?
Sunlight craft
Do not fuck the R funny
They make you make the R sound like well no ours always like kind of rolled
What's up to be here right now with Scott?
Guys, today efficiency just in general, very important.
We have basically like an infinite amount of things today.
We will not finish today with being done with everything that's possible to be done.
So as fast as we can go, the more total stuff we can get done.
Like we'll usually get done with all of our splits being done with four out of
six, four out of eight, like doing Bashnik.
we will we can add scissorack and we can add the world boss and we let's just be
more punctual what were we doing again we were skipping skipping dinner right yeah
yeah no dinner lunch no lunch you guys can eat this loot for lunch
If anyone needs AFK boost as well, that can be set up during these runs.
Try not to maybe do it after tagging the trash and stuff.
I'm turning up the music for this boss gotta get in the rhythm
Mark said he was safe, care for a sec, but then he went in
Cared voice to 100
Oh, it's always at 100
That's crazy
Are there groups here for the dance for a sec?
Thank you for sending that up for a start, any?
Oh my gosh, yep, so I forgot to spec DB
I would have literally gone in with fucking
Falker it must be fucking some way
It's the you play which one do you play it's repos on swat right I
Don't actually know ever since the book fix. I don't think it matters. I like
Frozen talons is good. Yeah, they change this whenever you exterminate you only get one
You don't get like the free one don't muscle pull as there's bug
So I don't actually know which one's better anymore. It's pretty close. I think
I think before when you pressed reapers mark you got an exterminate now you don't
because it was bugged.
5, 4, 3, 2, 1, I don't have uh, never mind.
Wait, I'm sure you've tested the group summon group 1 probably?
Yeah.
Group 1 and the raid frames are in group 1 on the boss.
But we'll have to send 5 people down right?
That's just like the number you chose.
Huh?
You need to send 5 people or no?
seems to work we want to send less on some sets yeah okay you guys can do that
whenever you want but if we wipe I'm gonna scream we believe you suck I
Nick, are you holy or just you're holy? You're gonna go down on the next one with
angry Aussie, happy pole, Lipserino, and I need one basically it has to be Splat or
one of the hunters. We can just send search and it's fine.
Yeah we find out there. If I you want. Alright so no one else go down it's just Nick
backing up Zevi everything else is the same Zevi don't or KSP don't go down again
even though i think you might be able to cloak and do that just don't
okay add soon and then group two you're going down in five
now kill it don't worry group two you're down I agree also going down
That's around the other side?
I only think what...
There's like one over here.
I know earlier we said that uh...
There's another one.
Okay, there's almost another one.
There's another one here.
Oh, we should send four down on that one set that's always scary about coming up early.
Actually, that's the next one.
Yeah, all right, then you guys want to stay up on the next one?
Anyone make sense more than others? Bad down there or good upstairs? Some combo of that?
I like to do that for good luck to do whatever makes someone hit. It's not bad.
I don't know it is it's in 20 seconds yeah it is that one.
I want everyone soaking except for like honestly
just like the two hunters flat like even leaving all the range now when there's a
group down sometimes it's actually like the goals of pretty well so should be
yeah honestly here and across two hunters whatever mage isn't downstairs and
flat don't soak and everyone else so I think that's enough people to burn I
think this is hard yeah I'm trying I'm testing I was about to ask you it
does no damage amazing so okay you put the first soak on the close ones right
I think randomly a shine you're not going downstairs
One for your time group one go down group one go down a shine stay up
This is the one where if we kill the echo pretty fast. We don't want to come up, but maybe with four people
You don't have to think about it
Also one less person down here should be easier for driving to keep alive
Yeah.
Is that a rage beat?
I'm just trying.
Chillin this boss, chillin the end in here.
Kick, kick, kick, kick, kick.
And you can go now.
Coming.
Coming.
common
are you sure that's what you did to share
the front thing
it doesn't show so i went into it
all of them like to put you up in it you came up early on the ground
we came up and i instantly shifted to the go
yeah that means that makes it group two group two group two
group two go so all of you can be done before the burn by the way
uh... we should actually stop up here so they're like out of the phase when we
lost and bring
not like stop but like just make sure that they will are able to be done with
the ad in time
you need to know this kind of action i got you i got you
this guy stop it like five percent just stops up stops up stops up stops up
up
just kill ads stop please stop please stop please stop think about your
friends down there
but i'm back
think about me
wait there's no there's none for six more seconds
you care about me
What's channel?
Lust.
Early lust, lookie.
I was stuck for one second, I lost, fuck you.
Hey, I tried, if I didn't say anything, you guys would have felt real good.
Okay, she's about to start chanting, bro.
ULATE! ULATE! ULATE!
Getting a nuke on bot right now.
You interrupted me.
Dude, I really wish last night, uh, group, uh, one, I think?
Yeah, group one, go down.
I wish last night instead of ever looking at what the red ad did on Vashnik
We just did purple orange and had a council blood situation
That would be awesome. Amazing
Don't think many people would be very happy about that. I would not get bloods of a chef
Because of how cheesy it was it probably would have seemed really sketchy to do a stream as well like
Yeah, that's a really good excuse by an integer
Say a lot KSP
Invoke don't get kicked watch HP. We're like dying
What is happening to us? Why are we taking infinite damage?
Keep killing us. We keep killing us bad. Plus we have an h file and ads are going the mid by the way
Don't kill those ads CCM away
Don't kill them yet. We're stacking up the ad kill thing
man
Yeah, yeah, I'd do low key low key didn't know that was mechanic
It's a measure those as across the room down and that is rolling please knock them
I've got my script in a sec
Get a spell soon get a spell make sure you're not in the rain
The fuck is going on
we're getting blocked
everything here a good boss
can rage soon
is this group sketchy?
I don't know what it's going on
it doesn't look sketchy on the sheet
didn't like a million outscroach in the middle
yeah a lot of guys are in the middle
yeah
that'll do if that happens
I'm glad I got that.
Oh, nice.
That'll save us.
It's kind of weird.
Half of my PoV on this boss is downstairs.
I should probably open up a second thing.
Little tech awakened.
Dude, we were just in that phase, and we were just taking actually infinite damage.
Looked crazy.
Looks like something's wrong.
Yeah, we got up to 11 stacks of ADD death.
I have my trinkets here.
You got the fucking guy.
Yeah, the triple bait.
Nice.
Looks like it's actually pumping.
Let's do trash efficiently and be ready to pull the boss right away next one.
Before we lock it in I guess it's kind of locked in are we happy with the order?
i definitely like mushroom guy last
i'm happy
i'm happy
is anyone not happy?
i would like to address it early so we can all be happy
i park the same main, two teams on the road
we're talking
so you're main or main sand?
uh... no i have two mains
You can have two mains.
Happy full end, Eagle Scout.
What gen do you get?
Eagle Scout might be like a gen 5 or something.
It's pretty good.
Yeah, ranges from 0.5 to 5, I guess.
Yeah.
What are you at, 0.5 still?
Yeah, it's all 0.5.
OK.
And there's always another week.
No healing, too, here.
Jack died nice.
I almost died probably here.
Nick is so weak.
Legit, I don't know about priests with no target.
I think that's a good thing.
Well, big hole.
Is smoking more of a general EU thing, or is it like a Scandinavian country thing, or Eastern European thing?
Yeah, it's just like, US don't focus on that health.
It's like a scam?
It's healthy, or it used to be until, you know, the big mediathe.
That they think cancer is related at all. It's fucking wild the second you do your own research realize how healthy it is
Yeah, I've been doing my own research for a few years and like I've just bucked become ascended
Never stop
Swim bro up the stairs there's
Facebook and they banned me from Facebook for it, but so
You guys never think the same since they banned smoking on South.
We used to have smoke breaks in this guild, but we don't anymore.
So did you all just not smoke or did you just not smoke in the front yard?
No, we just smoke in the front yard.
I smoke in the bathroom and then flush it down.
Maybe some dead.
Have you ever seen Scott come out of the pod that's just fucking smoke close?
Yeah, I've been here for about 20 nicotine batches on me right now.
That's all over your chest, that's why you're shaking, Joe.
No, no, no.
That's what keeps the shakes down.
Dude, by the way, don't want anyone to freak out, but the monster shipment comes in like 30 minutes, 100 cases.
Oh my God.
Lock in every one of them.
2400 monsters coming in.
I hope there's a certain flavor there.
Yeah, each person has to bring in a box themselves, 100 boxes total.
Hello everybody welcome back from that monster energy listening my name is I am now here
as some new casters we've got camsons ironic joining us good morning to you both
good morning morning how we feel it could be better but
Yeah, oh wait hold on. Yeah, what's that? Wait a minute. We don't those cams
Oh, there we go, I got it feeling a lot better now. Yes, give us a great in just a minute here cheers
We're twinning
I got the peachy keen one this ultra peachy cream this morning. This one is the prettiest bottle
I think nice design the old trissur is beautiful the old trissur good
Yeah, I also heard that we're getting a monster shipment in today's very exciting the more monster energy
We love that that video last year when viral. I think I got like it so
Evan one of the videographers here producers
What what like filmed them unloading the giant crate of
Monsters off of the truck into the facility for race world first. I think I like five million views or something like that
They were running dangerously low on White Imps earlier this week.
Yeah, that's the Guild favorite, right?
Yep, we had an emergency shipment.
Yes, I've been selflessly staying away from those, because I know that's their favorite.
I don't want to ruin their day with the lack of White Monsters.
This should be good for the rest of the race here, hopefully.
Yeah, definitely.
But if you guys are just now tuning in, this morning they've kind of just been
doing, that's all they've been doing, keys.
I saw THD and Driny doing twos to craft the PDP piece, and I think that's pretty much it.
Oh, that kind of twos, not twos, keys.
That's what he was talking about.
Oh yeah, twos.
Two v twos, yes.
Yeah, you're so PDE-pilled, but you're twos, and you thought I meant twos, keys.
I didn't even know about the twos meta, yeah, it drops this like crazy mythic piece,
but yeah, here's THD after his twos win.
I think it's just one twos win.
Okay, this becomes so degenerate, they are doing things to gear up alts.
Yeah, they're gearing up alts to gear up their mates.
Yeah, for the splits.
I mean, in the different way than they normally gear up the alts to gear up the
man.
Yeah.
It twisted at a really good tweet.
Oh,
those of you who don't know twisted was a long time writer in liquid.
Also then went on to write in some dollars and now he's in Lucid,
which is kind of the new retirement build.
A lot of extra liquid writers there.
Is that allowed to say?
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
Um, he had a tweet today. I think it's not like a novel concept. People have been talking about this for a while
But he usually is like right on the pulse of it or he was saying at this point
Just let them farm heroic. Amen as many times as they want so they could just get their pre-buss and get into mythic
You know what six days of splits is kind of ridiculous. That is not
I'm preaching to the ears. Let them kill it on the same character over and over make everyone happy like I kind of hate it
No, no, no, no, but oh no, we love it. I mean don't you feel like it kind of goes against the spirit of the race world first?
No, they have already found a way to disband heroics. Yeah, this would just remove all barriers
It's more it's more equal for all actually. Oh, yeah, okay. That's that's true
Okay, well, I mean what would be the implications of that like are there any downsides?
besides it being
Yes, there is a very big downside
Okay, so I think you would have to put like blockers in place like make it so very rare as can only drop on the first kill
Okay, yeah, yeah, literally just be spam killing that boss until they get very rare as on every single member of the raid
That's true or remove very rare from the game. I know that's another solution
I feel like
Tim's I feel like you're like like the little devil on the shoulder right?
or
Do this?
Okay, continue, sorry.
Yeah, I think they would still want to do split, because like, you want to give yourself a
little RNG protection, right?
Like you don't want to be sitting there in a situation where you need one single more
drink at the drop from a boss and you have to kill it like five more times to get that
drink at the drop, that would be a pain.
It's probably better than what we have now, killing the bosses 16 times each, 14
times each, whatever it is.
It would kind of, I mean this has happened through the years, it would degrade the like fantasy of the game a bit, you know, I mean it turns it more, I mean it's already slid way into ARPG, Diablo type, loot grinding, and AWE machining, and that would just take it to another level where you're just like, okay, kill boss, reset, kill boss, reset, you'd probably find groups and group finder that are just like, we are only killing Vashnik, and then the leader gets his tier and leads or whatever happens, but.
Well, I see a comment in the chat that's a little confusing to me, because there's someone that says,
buy buy mid-raid walls, just farm to oblivion. It's not changing the gearing, like the end gearing that they're at right now.
I mean, they would just get to where they're at right now faster. The difficulty of the bosses would be the same.
It may be for other guilds that could farm heroic pretty easily, and then they know
of scissor-ack is a huge wall and they're like this week we're actually only
going to do heroic raids and we're going to hella gear up and we're not even going
to touch mythic that would be kind of lame because then everybody's turning
like every boss into some spreadsheet where they have to hit certain margars
before they even attempt a boss it's hard so that would suck but would feel
like a 24-hour period where you could farm heroic like I'm just cut off then
the dads would mall because they're working okay yeah but like on a Sunday you
know Sunday maybe you move it to Sunday yeah yeah obviously this would never
happen no yeah I don't know what they can do I mean that's the the removing
the lock-off from her because the like easiest way to do it that doesn't have
too big of an impact but it is strange and it does change you know something
that's been in the game for a long time, which is a weekly lockout.
I think something you and I both agree on as well,
and I think this would be going a step further,
is I think that the mythic loot lockout should be boss specific, not instant specific.
Yes, I would like that also.
The plugging reasons.
I think it's absolutely ridiculous that you can find yourself in a situation where,
let's say, and this is not really a world first problem,
but they could definitely take advantage of it,
but let's say like, you're in your mom and pop mythic guild,
let's say like, okay it's not mom and pop,
Let's say you're like in a top 200 mythic guild and you're the 21st player and your guild is killed the first four bosses on mythic
And you're sitting there like okay. I'm not seeing play with it like oh we need you for the fifth boss
And you're like okay. Well, I guess I just can't kill the other four bosses this week. That's cool
You can lock yourself to that instance. I that's that's so arcade that should not be a thing
I think you should be back and kill the other four bosses if it's in a pug or we're just with other people
And still be able to kill the fifth boss with your guild. It's ridiculous that you can't something else
those are cake that has nothing to do with the race will first or any of these
players I still don't understand I understand why it was originally there
but why LFR is like time-gated in the way that it is yeah that doesn't make any
sense I think going back it it would have been seen as like unfair yeah the
baby raid can see all the boss and stuff but yeah there's so many things
that we're so far past now yeah because you can do the follower raid it's not
Or is it also I'm in it along with Alifar. It might be with Alifar. It's not out right now
It has a text on the question that says coming soon
Because I get that like it's a product of its time like you're saying but like at this point now
It's kind of like just let you know let people get in there
Yeah, capitalism or mop me would be outraged that was the case, but at this point I kind of you know
I don't care you've grown as a person. Yeah, I've grown or the game just yeah, it's lost a lot of that kind of I
Don't know if you want to call flavor, but you know, it's it's less
People aren't out in the world as much anymore.
Wowhead kind of solves things, add-on solves things.
It's less big open MMO exploration.
So this person said the story mode is only time-gated one week,
but LFR is time-gated the slowest.
That's really weird.
Because if you go by the logic of why LFR is time-gated,
you think the story mode would be like last.
Yeah, I mean LFR does have tier.
Yeah, it slows down the acquisition of tier but the whole reason people like me that LFR is
Was originally released last because like you said it's like the baby, right?
So then you think that story mode would be even slower than LFR
I guess do you get anything from story mode just completing that quest?
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It's huge.
Yeah.
He probably just needs an itemization, item level on a ring.
He might just have like a 298 ring from last tier still.
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guy this group's looking a little sketch right now sometimes they kill it
about here you'll see them something like half the rate will die into the ring
because they know oh they're super chill on time that was okay not a chill because
is the thing is the boss is already said 10% the enrages and until that second
boss frame hits a hundred energy oh the guy at full health yeah that's that's
the little ghost that possessed them all they're just starting to move up
Quickly no, they're fine. They're chillin. They're chill still got this one
What happens when you kill the other two and leave this guy alive, but a lot of help absolutely nothing, okay?
He just walks around so it's kind of chill. They all get over the ring
Still just a four bad. Yeah, they're chillin. Okay. I just this is like the furthest I've seen them get on this fight
Usually it's dead by now, and I didn't know how tight this check is. It's nowhere near the sentinels. Yeah, they're fine
Yeah, but you cannot live through
I'm a twin sentinels like this. They're just gonna kill them all equally anyways.
Okay, I haven't read this entire opinion or idea, so it might be cooked.
Would you like to talk about it or should we skip over it?
It's not a novel puzzle.
We have time.
We had a great idea the other day. Wow, she'll make an official race world first buff that goes away if you enter a mythic instance with more than five total heroic raid ideas collected throughout the raid.
out the raid it would put a lot more guilds in the race at least so there's a
couple things wrong with that number one we did that yeah like 10 years ago that
did they people didn't really do fought more than five hero exploits oh I
think with the buff I was like what was that okay people just didn't have a
concept of doing that many splits yeah and the other thing it wouldn't get
other guilds in the race I like I'm sorry to say there's this like weird
concept that people have going around that they think that the only reason
these guilds are the one competing is because they can do so many splits not
these guys are like literally the best players in the game they're so much
better than the average player even the average like high-end mythic raider yeah
that like it's there's no comparison I mean think about the passion it takes
to do all these splits and play this much the people with this much passion
and the debate around this long aren't just there by accident they're very
good because there are plenty of people that can play at this level but can't
play due to all the other degenerate stuff that comes along with the race
runners. It's not it's not always a World of Warcraft skill thing it's just a
mental capacity thing as well. Yeah, it means I are old we've been through many
guilds and you would just not believe how good fired up is. I can tell you as
someone who's been in like every single like level of guild and climbed all
all the way up the ranks, like playing with someone like THD or Fired Up or Lith, I'm just
saying that because they're older I played with them, it's just, it's crazy.
They're really good.
I think they just don't make mistakes.
No, they don't make mistakes and you're used to just everyone around you just constantly
making mistakes.
I really like Jack's idea of putting someone in, like they do on the first pitch in a
baseball game, like putting one of the casters or somebody in on the first pull.
Oh, of like the end boss?
Of the race role first. I think, I don't know, I don't remember his exact idea, but I think that would be funny and also I think it would be a good way to visualize the difference between these players and other people.
It depends on the cast here.
Depends on the, maybe not Cal, okay, put me in there, put me in there. You'll see it real quickly.
No, I'm pretty washed. I mean I can get pretty decent if I'm like slamming a bit for a season,
but you do, I mean that is something that like they have an advantage on getting better
is you do get better if you spend more time playing and they play a lot so you are just
naturally going to improve. So I've lost a lot of that.
Put a chatter in there.
Yeah, but if you weren't geared and you went on on a later boss, you would kind of just explode also
Yeah, I'll give you a 20. I love a behind
Oh, what is that what?
Bandit man. Oh subs. How many is that?
Which is zoomed in 10 that's impact. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. You banned it
I don't gotta get people ready for mythic. You don't want to ads right now ready for real mythic
Yes for real mythic. I guess they are in mythic right now. Oh, you forget what's happening
Yeah, I noticed this morning method speaking of the mythic they got bashnik yeah heard some things
About taking the boss in one spot
Congratulations to method of the first world first boss kill in seven years
That is really I didn't realize that it wasn't any first world world first kills. It's been a long time. Yeah
I mean liquid
Like really well they'll get you know, it's kind of the middle the instance of this start
some kills and they're you know NA reset so the EU they've got like all the
people who are going in there and mythic while they're doing splits and stuff like
that and then when splits are over the first people they're over for is
liquid so then they get kind of a clean up the mid raid and then it's only the
end bosses which method hasn't been competitive on getting a world first in
a while so it makes sense but it is kind of fun to see yeah it was it was
Eternal Palace if I remember properly that was the rate that they put their last
world first in. Wow. That's what they won. We swept Nailotha. We killed every boss first.
Okay yeah. Ever since then it's been split up for them. Alright I just want to remind
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well so definitely check it out. There's a lot of POVs also. We're gonna be
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if you want to kind of see how that works because there's also information within those POVs
of kind of like what you're playing.
Yeah, it's kind of like the VOD tool we use up here on desk sometimes. Now, of course,
like you said, it is only the mythic kills of the bosses. Yeah. But it's really useful, right?
You can take a look at one character POV. Let's say you want to watch THD's POV,
watch it for the first two minutes and you see something happen to another player
at the two-minute mark and be like, Oh, what did the impact do there? Yeah, click on his
his POV, it swaps over at the exact same time stage in the fight and you can see what
happened to him, so it's really useful for that practice.
It's not just like the YouTube videos, you can get like kind of in-depth information,
also our mind chat.
First thing, boss kills should be uploaded by the end of the day.
Awesome.
Yes.
Very exciting.
Very cool.
The book says, do they have a boomkin rating by chance?
That would be Goop.
That would be Goop.
There he is.
I am Goop.
I don't think he's in this one.
Slashed of that devastation of ochre. He's been playing those two
Kind of kind of split half and half between the two is splat on a boomkin right now for this
Split it does look like that. Okay. There's one right now. Yeah
That could also be a feral druid. I saw him casting just now, but that was also trash
That was that range. So who knows I'm trying to look for his character. Oh, he's just got pinged
Thank you whoever pink splat. I was looking for him. Yeah, he looks like he's in the star
form. Yeah, girl. Okay, okay. Splat, Oogle. Oh, wait. What? Oh, no, nothing. Yeah. Yeah.
It's just green and got a little rest of flash, but I think it's a trinket or something. Oh,
it means splat owl. From where's from Denmark? I believe. I'm actually not sure where he's
from. I'm just wondering where Europe is. Yeah, that sounds, Denmark seems right,
I'm not sure. Yeah. Oh, he is from Denmark. Okay. Okay. Danish
Very cool. Oh, yeah duck because I heard Frank and it's black talking in there
They're native tongue. I thought for a second that they were choking, but turns out they were just they were just speaking Danish
Yeah
It's I'm sorry, it sounds like they're swallowing their own tongue
does it not it's a lot of like guttural words I haven't I haven't heard them talk
to each other so I couldn't give an opinion yeah I'll get that there's like
some weird dessert I think Frank is actually raider right now otherwise I'd
bother him but there's some dessert that sounds like the most it does not say
it sounds made up right this is a raid I like to see here what we got yeah like
the double mage yeah like the double warlock
Uh-huh. I like the vengeance demon hunter. Uh-huh.
Well, uh, let's I guess cut it down. I'm not gonna casters everyone's coming in. It's the arms warrior. It's the rogues
No, bring us the casters
Yeah
I was looking for logs and arcane mages seem quite good all you hear about his arms warriors
But at least on heroic logs arcane is cranking
Which is really funny when you consider some of the things that screenshots that were posted from the mage discord from
from a week ago.
Is this some dooming?
Oh, yeah.
I think, so, Porum, one of the, like, the mage dev dudes
in that discord, I think there's a screenshot of,
if you're a mage, if you're an arcade enjoyer this year,
just consider quitting the game and starting a family instead.
I mean, he could still be right.
It's just that everybody has their 4Ps and their trinkets.
Something else may come online,
and the mage is just good in this middle-gearing phase.
I'm sure but
Lot of two target stuff, which I wouldn't put our cane is like a good two target spec
But maybe it is now you think it'd be frost but it's like to target damage him. He didn't say that. What did he say then?
Said what? Oh, that was copied and pasted from the repel and discord really?
Propaganda no way you're better than that's ironic no way man. All right. I'm apologies to pour him. I'm sorry
Apologies, I'm sorry
Now it's gonna get clipped out of context and I'm gonna get angry DMs from people
Oh, you know what you could believe that a mage would do that they're coming after you I can hear them
I can hear the pitch no they are not camps. They are always complaining always I
I
Feel like I'm with you and you can clip this you can come after me because I'll say it to your face if you're a mage player
I feel like y'all are so used to being
Metta or at least very close to meta that when you're just a little bit
Just a little bit nerfed.
You'll get really upset.
So I was showing me the screenshot here.
Let me see?
I can't confirm.
You're going to have to put that into some sort of model
and figure out if it's photocopter or not.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That looks real to me.
Looked real.
That is text.
Yeah.
And that's across the board for Raiders and Mplussers
and PVPers.
Now listen, what else do mages have?
They're glass cannons, and if they're not cannons,
They're just glass and that really sucks. So oh no giving back the personals. I'm so sorry
You guys have so many personal no not anymore you have tons name them ice block best personal in the game
They don't even talent that okay fair enough. There's someone in chat that says I owe them money
I don't wait. Okay. Okay explain
Explain explain yourself. I want to know I want to know how I
I want to know as well.
I am so curious.
I don't know.
I just saw somebody say it.
Huh.
Wait, what's?
Oh, man.
That's weird.
Because you want me money too, actually.
Oh, no.
Hold on.
Who was it?
I'm still waiting on it.
It was like it was a name that started with a key.
Unfortunately now all of Chad is saying it.
They're getting washed out.
Okay, actually.
He's turning off the track pad up here.
Or you can just turn it off.
Yeah.
It's really annoying.
Like really annoying.
You guys money too this guy's out of control
Where is it? I know a marksman hunter is at the top of the meters on this spread to target boss
Which is also very annoying Jack. Can you stop typing? I'm trying to scroll for like give me like two seconds
Everybody halt hold
Saying no span away
Here yeah, wait, that's ironic voice that guy owes me money
Well, tell Thomas we've got a body with the mythic mechanic on it.
What happens?
Where's this for?
Oh, his friend's over there.
Another body, maybe?
Just chilling.
Okay, just don't touch that dragon.
Just hang out there.
Oh, maybe they explode on edge of wiping.
Yo, yo, Porum, I apologize.
I was propagandized.
I thought that was a picture of you. It was a
Photoshopped picture from Red Discord. I apologize. I apologize. That's sexually toxic. That is my fault
Whoever made that is it is porum in here. He wasn't yes. You okay?
What came fast?
How does he feel about arcane mage now in this current moment? I'll be loving life loving it
Did you find it fun porum?
Thoughts porum
thoughts. I'm having fun with it. Moving while Missiling and AoE Missiles is kind of always fun.
I'm kind of, dude, Mage is so weird this expansion because I remember I logged onto my Mage to level
it at the start of the expansion and I'm like, wow, none of my buttons do anything. I don't want
to level this character. And then I just didn't. So it's still level whatever last expansion
level was. Oh, I see. I see like the beginning like level one or something.
But like looking at the way Blizzard now I kind of want to level it now.
Yeah, I think Frost is pretty good for rework. Fire, you know it's Fire Maid still. Balance aside, it's, you know, what you're getting with it.
Yeah.
And this new arcane, I've said it a couple times, maybe a little too simple, but it's got some of the pieces, you know, it doesn't have arcane harmony anymore, but the salvo can kind of feel like harmony and arcane soul is always fun.
The harmony playstyle was starting to get boring.
It was kind of the playstyle for like, it felt like forever.
Yeah, but I like that when you ailey missiles and get a juicer barrage and that that is still in
It's just kind of a different
Through a different way
Yeah, that's fair
It's kind of exciting though that arcane is uh, I feel like when arcane is good. It's it's more like a pocket pig situation
Oh, okay. Yeah, the game is just in balance if arcane majors on the table
Okay
Have you decided between fire and arcane? I know you kind of were switching back and forth on your major class
I just did I think I did fire because we're like doing a lower key. I just wanted to mess with it
Okay, but yeah arcane is just very strong and
Okay, no those kind of doesn't have a downside
You just play the same fire or arcane arcane
You play the same talents for single-target an aoe and do basically the same. Yeah
So you okay, you just single target something and then stuff comes in
Yeah, just gets folded into the missiles. Wow, that's the barrages and it sounds bougie
Maybe I should switch to Stark.
Which is something I don't actually like.
I do like different rotations for single target and AWE, but you'll take it sometimes.
How do hunters keep hitting away with it, by the way?
Yeah, I don't know.
He's destroying right now.
I feel like I have only seen doom and gloom from hunters leading into this tier, talking
about how bad their class is, how horrible it feels to play, just a terrible class.
And then you get to UL attack and you look at splits on the venomous heart damage
Who's topping the meters? Wow, that's crazy. Wow. There's not even particularly close. They're just absolutely destroying everyone.
Can somebody at Elberth and Chat please?
What are they, Marks or PM? Marks. What is it about them that makes them so good at their heart?
Apparently it's M plus hunters. They'd like you to know.
Yeah, they also just have the best raid buff in the game. Just 3% damage all the time.
And they don't even did it. It's just crazy. It's crazy
The hunter I haven't mess with my hunter in a while, but I can only press it on one target. I shut up
They took my survival spec away a long time ago, and I'm still mad about it. I
Used to be pretty in team with hunters
Maintained it for a bit, but hunter people or that are just like the class what it can do and
But I'm on the little loss of the hunter now and
And shadow priest I feel like I need to get caught up because shadow priest also seems very strong
Yeah, I was thinking so everyone's talking about it's like a three target or two target damage amp kind of tier
Yeah, there's a lot of two-target stuff in the last three bosses and then the last two have damage amps
And the last two have damage amps during execute with two targets, which is warrior and shadow priest
And our game mage used to have execute. I don't think it's there anymore
But it's just kind of interesting that they're like good at damage amp good at to target and good at execute
And then the last two bosses have all of that
Turnabout hunter still oh
No, I just the warrior at a priest. You know, you know, I'm not letting anyone get away
You know who also getting away with it too again. It's time in a row warlocks
Yeah
We're still executing shadows. I'm still executing all those days. So okay. I will say it's not like it's more like a
It's not that great. Yeah, it's a really good
But like dude, did you guys watch Kalamot?
If you go back and watch the day the day zero recap from titles and dratnos
Mazzy comes on it's it's it's criminal that we're lucky to get any bop. No, you got to do it better
Run one this year weird you don't even have to go watch the first recap this time either because he does it
every time. So go back and watch any video early in a tier he's complaining and then the
warlocks end up being good anyways.
Yeah. Alright, I'm done.
We're good. We're good. No, that was fun. That's enough of going. You don't have any
more gripes against any particular classes? Well, no.
You know what I'm actually really happy for? That they finally have a good tier?
Rhoads. It's been a while. But I think that class is nuts right now.
Yeah.
No, they've been kind of in this weird spot where like people meme on them for
a trophy being terrible and not good enough to warrant a raid spot. I think it's been
a while since Rogue has been really good.
We have two PvP brain. Yeah. They're always good. They're always going to be a key. Part
of the holy trinity. But yeah, no, you're right. Been a while for Rogue's. Yeah. Yeah,
that's always like when the tier starts and everybody's expectations just get thrown
all over the place.
you like to keep seeing people miserable
not miserable disappointed you know everyone comes in and
like it would be funny if on the attack there's like one arms warrior
uh... which i could actually see happening not like
because i know something
think that's going to happen but
there are a lot of like good specs
and you have an idea of what something's going to fight on all the
mess up the game i think
but
you know the best walks the shadow priests the hunters
Arcane mages are they that much worse than an arms warrior? I'm not sure but I could see a
More balanced spread of stuff and not like four arms warriors
So
When you guys are streaming
And somebody comes in your chat the kind of new to the game
They're like hey, I just started or like I just came back. What class do you recommend? I like to generally go for the like
Do what you think is fun and then go from there or do you give like a quote-unquote real answer?
Yeah, that's like a hippie answer. The most fun thing to do is to own.
Okay.
Well, it depends. I feel like the most fun thing to do is, you know,
what you find fun, what you're first learning. The way I respond to the person that depends on the number of different things, number one,
knowing like involved with the game I am because if I'm like, you know, high mythic plus focusing on that,
Yeah, I'm not gonna give them much time. I'm gonna be like, oh, yeah, just play Hunter or mage. They're almost okay
Fair enough something like that. Okay, but like if I'm not doing anything
I think if I'm just like grinding TFT and like I'm in between turns. Yeah, I have time to like break it down
Okay, I'll be like, okay. Well, let's think about it. You know, have you played any other MMOs?
What did what did you play in those games?
That's the closest comparison I can give you in this game if they haven't played another MMO be like, okay
Do you want to play like a pet class? Do you want to play caster or melee?
You know, give them the options. Okay. Do you want to be super competitive or do you just want to play something?
that you think is fun.
There's a lot of different things that you can choose and it's like it's really hard
to personalize it without getting all the information from someone.
That's really true.
Or that's, that's fair.
Well, like if they're like, I kind of want to play mage.
I would say learn Frost.
Yeah.
Because it's, I think, the most, it's got a lot of globals and beginner friendly.
Yeah.
And it's not that bad.
And it's like decent and all in raid and mythic blasts, questing, you know, it
can kind of fit everything.
The frost is never going to be bad.
No, it can only be kind of bad.
It might be not meta, but yeah, exactly.
The worst it's ever going to get is just in the middle.
But yeah, I wouldn't set double cloth bracer.
It is.
That's actually, that's cool.
Like I would not recommend someone start playing as a fire mage.
That might be the most useless boss loot I've ever seen.
Yeah, TG looks a little, TG looks disgruntled.
He's got a couple of worlds.
The thing is, the reason that he would have been doing PVP is to make a pair of PVP bracers
and put an embellishment on them, which is just going to be better than those bracers.
Let's see what the plan is in this group, because they've killed their three bosses
that they've done in every other split that we've seen so far.
They are moving onwards, and in the past this has just been to kill the Lieutenant.
that's the word I was looking for for a chance at BOEs.
Maybe we see them go ahead and move on to Vashnik.
We know they were pulling it off stream last night.
Yeah, Max said in the spotlight last night
that they would do,
we would see Cizerak and Vashnik today on stream.
Okay, so we could early look at that here.
We'll see.
That would be exciting.
I did see some Cizerak, the off-stream poles
and the boss looks sick.
Cool, cool, cool.
How did you pick your first class?
How did you how did you land on the class? Oh my god, I mean man's ironic. I actually know the answer to this crazy
So I started playing at the very start of Cataclysm. Okay
The people that I started playing wow with were the people that I played Counter Strike with back in the early
Oh, like it's late CS Source days
I played on a gun game server back in the day and they started playing wow and I was a big RuneScape player at the time
So when I started playing wow, they were like so in RuneScape
What do you like about the character you play in RuneScape?
And I'm like, well, I kind of enjoy summoning.
I think it's a really cool idea to have this pet that kind of helps you out with things.
And they're like, OK, so you want to play a pet class.
You can either play Hunter, which hits things with bows or you can play a warlock that does spellcasting.
I'm like, OK, spellcasting sounds way cooler.
Yeah. So that's why I started with Warlock.
OK.
Can you almost got baited into being one of those people?
Almost. Oh, a hunter?
Yeah. And then no, no offense to anybody who plays Hunter.
There's none in the building.
Or lives of someone who plays Hunter or.
No, I make fun of him for it.
And he's in fact not playing Hunter this season because he I was laughing earlier because he was very beside himself all last season
And then in the transition to this season with how how bad at Hunter's a bit in M plus he's more of an M plus sir
So he's a he started leveling an LA shaman. Okay, and he I think he decided he didn't like that
So I think he's moving on to
Something else. I'm not sure. I'm sure he'll chime in in go on to DPS. Yeah, he wants to do
Um, but Kam, you're more of like a multi-classer, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Or would you consider yourself, or the omniclassor?
Forgive me.
How did you?
Well, I'm more end up in that.
Okay.
So I made my first guy was a warrior.
Okay.
I played, I got the free trial at a game stop.
You get like level 20.
Right.
And I just made a warrior because it was like, this seems the most neutral, basic.
You know what I mean?
Like, yeah.
What race was it?
Uh, night elf.
Okay.
I'm a warrior.
Human warrior.
I'm even more boring.
Okay, no, then I played some other games because I wasn't you know committed to us
I would probably play more Halo or something like that, okay, and
My friends were then re-rolling
And on some server and I got I bought the game. I was like, I'll try mage
I just want to try like the other side and I thought it was so cool that you could just spam your spells
because any other game where you play like a caster like
like oblivion or Morrowind or something, you have like mana and you can do like one spell
in your oom. It was just like wow you can just keep fireballing or whatever. I thought that
was really cool, so I stuck with the mage.
Okay, cool.
The stick is being targeted.
Oh, I thought we were being targeted.
That means they are in reset.
Oh, I thought we were being targeted.
THD is swapping Demo, which means they are going to be pulling Vashnik.
Okay.
We are in.
Oh my gosh.
Alright. Chat locked in a little bit of progression here for Liquid. They pulled
the boss last night a little bit.
They were just kind of testing to make sure their strategy worked, which I think they were
pretty happy with.
We saw Method kill this earlier.
Did you watch that kill?
No, I didn't.
I didn't?
I did.
What did you think of it?
It looks fine.
They had a lot of pretty big chunks of progression towards the end, so I didn't really see any
like crazy pain points.
How many bullets do we know?
Oh, I don't actually know.
That is a good question.
Fortunately, I have the laptop here.
we can go ahead and check using the Race to World First coverage tool over on Raider
Idle. Let's take a look.
Oh, that's true. They did cheese. I don't know which part, because I only caught them
towards the end, so I didn't have a chance to see them develop their strategy, but they
did cheese completely circumvent one of the mechanics.
The whole fight, maybe. Yes, so you're supposed to take this boss around the different
corners, giving different abilities, but I guess you can kind of just hang out
at one of them and I'm not sure for how long if it's the whole fight but I get the damage
amp is supposed to be the punishment for not doing this is intended is not very strong and
one of the corners I guess is very tough. Yeah. And so you can deal with it. Chat saying
they stayed in red. They just stayed in the blood at all. They just did shadow and
fire the entire time. Apparently. Yeah. Um, any worries, any concern about that getting
Hot fakes so that they can't do that probably next week. It'll get changed. Yeah next week
But it could also just stay this way because sometimes when a boss dies Blizzard just goes I guess that's just the boss now
Yeah, because it's kind of unfair, but I
It's unfair to poor Vashnik here. Yeah, I know
Gonna be seen in there like a form and then the whole
Rest of the tier the boss is kind of this weird
weird half boss. It's happened a lot in the past where a boss gets cheesed a bit and then
it just kind of stays that way.
Yeah. Also, WowGram is the chat. Hi, WowGramma.
Yo.
Hello, WowGramma.
Hello, my goat.
I still have my card in my wallet from her last BlizzCon.
Oh, she gave you a card?
Yeah.
Like a business card?
No, so here's what it was. If you met WowGramma.
Yeah.
And you got a hug from her.
You get a card that says I hugged WowGramma.
That is so cute.
I love wow grandma. She's great. So nice. Nice lady. I remember hugging all those people blizzcombs. She's gonna get sick
Let's protect wow grandma. We're protecting her. She's our Betty white
Boonton was was helping her out a lot. Oh, yeah. Yeah, she was in shot earlier also. Was she yeah, she's casting for method. Yeah
Absolutely, yeah
We love it down a few markers. I don't see anything over there in the green
method I this is a message to you you should have wow grandma guest cast on
the race trolled first because you can do it since you're remote this is my
plea to you method get her on there get her on a guest cast that would be so
cool I'd love to have her here in the building I think that'd be amazing just
to have her for a day but your local yeah yeah I think she's yeah other side
of the country but but method has the opportunity to do it so I'm gonna put
that into the universe? Yeah, well, looks like they're going over strats stuff. Okay,
as they look at the boss here, maybe we should go over how those boss works a little bit for
chat here, camps. Absolutely. This one I unfortunately I don't know very much about. I did on normal.
I know that you take it to the different alter things, the fountains and it gets new
mechanics. There's one that's like a soak. There's one that's an add. But I don't
remember off the top of my head. Yeah, so in general, I'd say the biggest change
from heroic to mythic is the addition of the malignant tumors so the general cadence of the
boss is the same as it is on heroic and normal right the boss has an energy bar when it gets to 100
it casts a vibe which targets the two closest fountains spawns their ads and gives himself a
stacking buff based off of which ones he uh which ones he uses it on on mythic difficulty
whenever he casts a vibe he spawns a bunch of tumors around the room the only way to kill
those tumors is with the waves that you spawn when you get that cross mark on you.
So the people who get those waves need to spread out around the room, hit the tumors
with the waves, clear the room because if you don't clear them they blow up and you die.
So that's pretty much the main difficulty change on this mythic.
And the tumors are every fountain?
It's all over the place.
It's every time the boss casts and buy bugs.
So it's kind of a coordination check, but of course, you know, when you get into the
later parts of Mythic, the bosses tend to do a lot of damage and have higher HP bars,
so that's probably going to be something they'll contest with.
I have to see what the plan is.
Are they just going to do the exact same thing that Method did and stick with these
two fountains the entire time?
Probably.
I heard the boss is hard and then they got killed and so I imagine
the if we're gonna want to call it the cheese strat
Is significantly easier than doing it like quote-unquote as intended the pull timer comes out
So we're gonna see exactly what they're gonna do
Check this game. This is not uh, this is still a split, correct
This is still a split. Yeah. Well, you can't you can't stop doing split bosses pulled though
We are in combat with Mythic Vashnik. Here we go bosses in the front of the room here where the purple and orange
Mountains are
Shadow and fire
See if they stay here the entire fight
Yeah, they're starting here that in biob is coming out in seven seconds
We're just gonna spread these out as if it's normal first set of waves
Significantly fewer of them on mythic in a 20-minute compared to the 30 we're used to seeing here
Is that first in bypass and you can see your first look at those Malugna tumors all around the room?
they're not targetable, you just have to hit them with the waves. You can kill off these shadow
oozes as well, still need to soak. A lot of those spread out around the room. You also have these
burning venoms off on the side, they're going to CC one of them, grip the other one in on top of the
boss and cleave these down one at a time. When they die they explode for a dot damage on the
entire raid. Of course when that first one dies they'll grip the other one over in a little
bit. But of course the big thing is these tumors. The next set of waves here need to
clear as many of these as possible. They're going to position around the room to try to
knock down as many of these tumors with those waves they haven't you have to
look like yeah they did pretty good I guess it makes sense to have less of those
waves on players because I think if everybody got them you probably just
clean the room on accident we've got like three of them there kind of around
the boss one back there by hopeful so if you in the background all their
mulled at totems instead of tumors there were tumors the first time I
did the boss they're totems now they went from like little oozes on the
ground the totem so it's not a tumor it's not it's not a tomb I'm not sure
this next problem coming out they kind of stand right on top of some of them so
we've cleared all but one of them you can see there's one right there's a
suggestion to you by the fire there could be some over on the green side
if they flipped around oh it looks like they got them all and they just explode
if the time runs out oh wait did they just like line of sight that they
jump in the explosion a line of sight okay so yeah that's what happens if you
Don't clear them. Oh, so even if there's one or two of them, it's over there were two and they blew up
First pull 70% not bad. I thought maybe they'd get like a dot and it wouldn't be too bad of two
That's no that was pretty brutal
I'm just gonna have a little snack between poles here as we
Discuss what just happened
Okay, so they they get three sets of the froths they're like waves to clear three sets of waves of resets
of the the groups of the groups that they need to totally hit the totem lanes of groups okay and so
What are the the purple in the red they had the ads going in they had some soaks?
Would which are from the fountains themselves?
Clearly the big news you bad news is your son's or any other mechanics or just the mechanics that come from the uses pretty much
Okay
Yeah, it's honestly like a lot of it looks like it's gonna come down to clearing totems, not too much totems
but
As long as they do that, I feel like they're gonna be pretty chill
Yeah, I
Wonder what the boss is out there. We've not updated yet. They were two minutes in
So I guess the two-minute mark is when the first wave of totems guys
This boss like it seemed pretty cool max tweeted something before the tier
about sweet if like he's like a vashnik is the wall boss and I'm gonna
Ascend into space
Good or bad. I'm not actually I think we've had some fire max tweets this year
So he's just going full out on Twitter telling us how he feels
But if you're just now tuning in we just got our first pull on
Vashnik and got about to 70 percent
And just as a reminder as well. This isn't really a full. This isn't like how would you describe this?
This isn't a real mythic progression, even though it is.
Yeah.
But we haven't, there's a lot that we're sort of holding off on.
This is still a split, we haven't,
there's a lot of gear that we still haven't like crafted and used or pressed on.
And used our rolls on, like there's still a lot of untapped potential.
Yes and no, in these splits, there are going to be a lot of characters that
have said crests and irons and stuff because they want to make this
close to being as possible, but they're going to be like maybe four or five
potential mains in the group that will not have sent all of them here so those
are the people that are going to be the beneficiaries of all the loot and then next
week they'll be able to craft with the knowledge of the gear that they already
have. I guess my point is we're not going full throttle on Nashnik at the moment.
Yeah yeah I think if they went full throttle they would be probably on
twin fangs right now. Yeah because of the time the splits have taken and they'd
be very powerful. Yeah they I'm sure they have an idea of like which
main which one of THD's warlocks is most likely to be main but then I bet if you
just low roll in one mythic split and high roll in another then they're just
swapping you know they've got spreadsheets on yeah and priorities of
characters they kind of are a bit flexible on the old season
some I used them on a little attack okay some maybe even on twin sentinels
I'm not 100% on that. Yeah, and some may on this or scissor
rack. Okay, we'll have to see. I mean, again, it's also near
the end of the week. So they probably will end up ripping
that as well. I mean, this is right. So yeah, go starting
to spread out in the middle of the room to try to clear as
many of these totems as possible. It's hard to count
them. If I had to guess, it's probably somewhere between
20 and 30 of them to use in a great spot here to hit a
whole bunch of them. Like he's gonna hit three or four
of them with that they cleared out a bunch with the
initial set of waves. Take a look around the room pan
around there's two by moon there's some really far ones close to yeah yeah that's
actually kind of annoying that's not helpful like pretty easy to get I think
you get that with one person it's kind of messed up making them like do geometry
I was gonna say like how do you make sure you're not oh I mean obviously it's
really easy something's right next to you but like you could easily overlap on
some of them like nobody's taking care of another one I think it's kind of
one of those things where as long as you are hitting two of them with your
with your waves you're probably out there's enough there's the second set of waves going out is the
room clear i think it's clear yeah it might be clear did those waves get slower they did seem
very fast but maybe that's just because there's so many there's so many probably it yeah yeah
they're just gonna stay over here and get this wave again looks like they cleared them and then
we're into the second phase second and bobcats goes out this is the next set of ads that they
have to leave down it's the same concept as before cleave down the shadow ads so everyone
can burst them down. We've got these two fired oozes as well. The burning oozes that they're
going to CC and knock over to the boss. You don't want to kill them at the same time.
That would not be ideal. I think you can just banish one if it's to get too low.
What are they fixing it on the pool? All the oozes are trying to run to the pool
in the middle. Right, what do you don't want? If they get there you probably die.
Okay.
Hope will try to line up.
There we go.
Hope will miss them.
But maybe he'll snipe one, nope, he's just gonna miss that also.
But they have two more imbibes, or not imbibes, froth cast, go.
They can clean stuff easy.
Like they're people pinging, imagine whoever's gonna get that soak is gonna hang out over
there just in case they get the next froth.
They can maybe hit all three of those totems.
They look like they could be the right angle.
Definitely two.
I hope he's gonna try again here, he's gonna go for this easy dove.
Yeah, that's the trouble.
Nice.
Nice.
There he goes.
Very good.
Geometry complete.
Yeah, if we could get an angle, we could see more, but from what we see, it could be
clear.
But some of those far ones do seem like you have to like intentionally take them one
at a time.
Oh well.
I don't want to repeat.
They're down, yeah.
Yeah, they're down.
They're down.
They're down, yeah.
They're down, yeah.
They're down, yeah.
They're just doing this little sequence mechanics over and over when you should be kind of rotating all around the room and getting a lot
like more things
Mixing it up and then you know your spread's not as good because you're kind of getting funneled to one side
They can kind of pre-plan for all the frosts and the totems
These are a lot of the mental energy out to just sit over here
The boss is pretty low actually
Yeah, they're being less they're almost four minutes in the boss is half dead
So from my understanding part of the problem with doing the same two fountains over and over again as he keeps
Empowering his abilities that he gets from the fountains even more every time you do it
And I think I think that uses actually get more HP as well could be made up could be fully made up
Not gonna look at a log to verify just gonna make it up. Maybe someone in chat will say I'm right or I'm wrong
But as long as you're able to kill off the ads like
This is totally fine
Part of the problem with running all the way to the blood platform is it's further away than the other two
We are in a very narrow, I saw some triangle here.
And that run across the room and having to do Soaks plus clear totems at the same time
is annoying enough to where we're just like, okay, let's overindex on add damage
and making sure we're healing off these healing absorbs plus dispellable debuffs that you have to deal with
by going through these two totem, these two fountains all over and over again,
that we don't really care about going to the blood fountain.
But you can see they're kind of starting to get overrun here.
overrun here. Now we do have five players dead so it's going to take a little bit more time
to chew through these adds. But for concept, obviously we saw that it works for method.
It'll eventually work for Liquid as well.
Yeah, I know for sure a negative of staying on one side is the boss gets a damage amp.
That could be why they're starting to lose people. Snowballing and also the boss is
just getting a little more powerful every wave. I think I saw like the boss with
a score stack.
Yeah, unfortunately.
Yeah, it's kind of, I'll call it a shame because I was a bit excited for this boss.
I kind of like bosses like this.
We'll choose here on Adventure Bosses.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, once your adventure starts, I think you're kind of locked in a path.
But I mean, this has happened before, right?
When you think about the history of raid bosses, every time you're given a choice
to deal with a mechanic, people will always find the easiest way to do something.
I think the most famous example of this is the world first kill of initial Rodin
back in the day.
You chose your phase by either killing the Lightning Orb or killing the Blood Orb, whichever
one hit the boss, that's the phase you got.
It was kind of designed to where, okay, you're supposed to do the Lightning Phase, then the
Blood Phase, then the Lightning Phase, then the Blood Phase.
The Blood Phase was so hideously overturned, it did so much damage to the raid that, I
believe it was Method at the time, that got the world first.
They just said, we're just going to do Lightning Phase over and over and over again, because
we can't live through the Blood Phase.
It just worked.
Yeah, I think there was something that was not supposed to work like a stacking damage.
I think it may have been similar to this where it was a stacking damage happen.
It just wasn't like strong enough to deter you from doing it.
Yeah. And you know, if Blizzard does want to change it, they would have or they're still going to on the reset.
I just wonder if this happened because it was done at night in the U.S., like the middle of the night.
And so it maybe wasn't seen that this was happening and it was already dead. It was really the same they woke up
what I
Guess night now. It's Monday now. We have passed the weekend, so I
don't know what time
Pacific it was killed, but I have to imagine no one was in the office
It was at like
730 or 8 okay in the morning here was why oh like the raiders were
No, like no one at Blizzard was there. Oh
Yeah, it may have been my topics in their face
Yeah
Coming in. Oh
Many bantas how many three they're just zapping the boss. Oh, I saw something in the bill bank
I saw zaps at the boss
Something someone comp swap
I
Know hopeful just released maybe
Afford it. He's gonna go rip it back. Yeah
Yeah
Kind of surprised to see the Vantus already come out on this boss. Yeah
To me
Cizarak seems like the DPS check
Okay, but maybe the Damage amp G strat requires them to kind of turn this into a
kind of a sprint. Yeah, does anybody know how many Vantis Runes method used on this?
You can find that out. Ooh! I believe. I'm a raider, I am. Are we... so we're straight up
yulinking what method did, correct? Yes. Do you feel like... because, you know,
obviously this is different from method compared to last tiers for them to sort
of jump ahead like this. Do you feel like it was an unfortunate boss for them
to have the opportunity to do that, something that you can choose so
easily and then adapt as your own.
You know what I'm saying?
Like I feel like they would rather it had been like
then to be able to get a hat on a boss that was more
something that you had to get through kind of slowly.
You know what I mean?
Oh my God. Oh my God.
Oh, it's beautiful.
Oh, it's the monster brick.
Oh, the fridge instantly.
And a dog.
It's been a lot so much flavors we got.
I see a lot of white.
A lot, a lot, a lot of white.
Actually, maybe almost all like 90%.
Yeah, we've got the reserves.
Ooh, the orange reserve.
Somebody was talking about that yesterday.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Strawberry lemonade.
We got the blue, red, white, raspberry one.
I think it's blue.
Yep, there's a number.
All right.
Wow.
Wow.
That is exciting.
That's how many.
Oh, hey.
Hello, Cody. Hello. Hello, handsome boy. Yes. Stay away from the
caffeine. Alright, Cody. Alright, stop. Stop putting the
camera on it and stick that in the fridge. We need that. We
need that monster. Cool. Cool down for the raiders. It's
fantastic news. Are you saying you wish method got a
world first on like a more prestigious kill? No, it's just
just like a boss that you couldn't cheese, I suppose. One that you had to like, that
was more of a slow progression.
I mean it would be definitely more impressive if they gilded it without cheesing it.
Yeah, well I guess I'm trying to say like, there are bosses that are harder to take the
strategy from another guild and implement on your own whereas this one was like kind
of a one to one copy paste if you know what I mean.
Yeah, no, I know what you mean. I don't think it's that difficult to deal with,
you know, like it's...
Because I'm just wondering where Method's headspace is at. They're like, ah, dang it.
I'm sure they're happy they got a world first.
Yeah.
Looks like we did not talk about it earlier. The last time they got it was in Eternal Palace. It was Queen of Jara, so...
Getting that out of the way is probably a huge sign of relief for them. Obviously, they'd be a lot happier if it was an in-bossed kill, but...
We're hoping that that's not the case.
Yes. Yes. I know. Certainly not advocating for that, but...
I kind of curious, did they end their day after that? Does anybody know if they're dead?
That would be a really early end. There's no way.
Yeah, no constant time.
It's dinner time over there, right now. 7 or 8 p.m.
So they've got a few hours left on their day yet, so...
Yeah, they're gonna be happy, but they have, you know, just like us.
Gotta move on. Jobs to be done, splits to be done, characters to be geared.
You know, it's funny you mentioned that though. There are definitely some good examples of bosses in the past where
the boss has been streamed and killed very quickly.
Yeah, then the other guilt just cannot recreate. I think the most famous example of that was Oganoff
Yeah, that one camps mm-hmm where we just kind of went in and yellowed it killed it in 15 poles
That was actually a famous one because that was the first tier that max was out of the radio. Do you mean dr. Gath?
No, oh, yeah, I trust a guy. Thank you. Thank you dressed again the boss before you enough
where max was
He was that was his first year doing the 21st man out of the raid raid-leading and then he's like
I don't think I can do this. I'm just gonna come into the raid on my blood decay and place markers
Yeah, and we like you'll load it and killed it in 15 bowls or so
Yeah, that was a weird this like
Method took like 70 or something. It was a lot. It was close to a hundred and they they just couldn't recreate. Yeah
I don't I don't know why and we didn't we had no idea why yeah. Oh
Believe that was probably a ton of exploding it's usually that is okay
So yeah, it must have been the previous wave
I'm trying to
That's a hula. I can't find where the bank is for anything is
But I'm pretty sure there's a spot maybe it has to get updated as they log off or something
But yeah, somebody in chat did say that method went and did some mythic plus after that kill
That's for the point we're gonna end the day and not a high note. Yeah
Really plus it's a good thing of like you've got a little time before meal
Maybe the strat, people, the analysts want to talk, and they don't have to focus too much
on wasting the raiders time pulling the boss while they figure things out.
You can always go do some mithic plus, especially if you need crests on your 4th character so
that it can do decent damage in a split.
This is hopefully not the norm in the next race to world 1st.
I'm going to shout out a friend here.
So there's someone in chat who's asking a question who says, I'm curious what
integration is that shows nicknames on raid frames instead of actual in-game character names.
So that's an internal guild tool. It's part of the liquid guild atom that
is not public. Nobody else can get it unless you're a raider in the guild.
However, there is a solution for people that want that for themselves. If you use
northern sky raid tools, Relo has pretty much recreated a lot of the functionality of
the liquid guild tool just on his own. And if you want to use that nickname function,
you can use it on your own in northern sky raid tools. It's very, very useful.
Like if you have somebody that just has the most ridiculous old names, but you want to
just see what you know them as on your raid frames, that's what it's for.
It's very useful.
We can set it up nice.
Yeah.
Relo has been doing God's work with Northern Sky Raid Tools.
Relo and Rav, two of my guild members, they put a lot of work into that at all.
Would you say that's essential alongside Alice Mirror?
Yes, 100%.
Ooh.
Write that down chat.
I don't have like a need for that kind of thing. I did download it when I did Groglora.
He also recreates a lot of the modules you see on stream that Liquid uses. Like so for example
whenever Liquid did Lura and they showed off their little radar aura thing that they did where they
typed the numbers in chat and it showed up with the markers in a circle. He recreated that in a
couple days and put that on an SRT for his own guild to use. Really, he's just making
things that make it easier for his guild to progress and putting them in a public add-on.
He's like the Robin Hood of World of Warcraft. Yeah, so you're not going to get the liquid
tool. You're not going to get the thing that they use because they want to keep all that
private for a good reason. But if you want to get the next best thing, Rilo puts a lot
of work into it. Don't they release that after the tier though? No. No, the private
They do not release okay. No, they would do a week or a yeah
But all right P
All right, P
I've got to keep got to keep that tech secret
What's he actually had some the line coming up straight up and down the screen is that just during the froth so that they can cut out or
orientate
It was like a big blue line that went straight from his character
Up the top. It's like on his screen. Yeah, we've seen people use them for to try to line up
Yeah, like a soccer boss like another totem explosion there weak or a non weak or a
Yeah, I mean we goers are back at the game. I don't know if you noticed
Somebody made it somebody made a dungeon pack in me chorus and that's making the rounds on on x to everything app
It's unsurprisingly the add-ons have won the war on add-ons once again. Yeah, I don't think they just won
They have completely destroyed
the opposition. They don't even talk about it anymore. The history has been rewritten, nothing ever
happened. The add-ons were always the victors. Yeah. More questions in chat. Are they doing this on
their actual mains or are they still trying to do this on split characters? So this is kind of
what we're talking about before. Without Svark, you can't really like change your comp at all.
They're locked into these 20 characters in this run. So yes, they're still on a split character.
I do believe that they made their last three splits a little bit stronger,
or they tried to bolstern them up a little bit so that they would be able to potentially kill Vashnik and Cizerak in these groups.
And of course you have to remember this is the first time that they're actually pulling this boss for real on these characters,
so it's going to take a little bit of progression for them to get used to the positioning to kill off the totems,
so I expect them to wipe a little bit to this boss, even though somebody else killed the boss,
you have to let the individual raiders kind of get used to how to position the waves.
Yeah, but I met that I think was about 11 poles. So yeah, they're coming up on a similar time
They had a pretty good one earlier, and I don't know how many splits method is
Doing so their characters may have been a slightly more powerful
They wouldn't have killed it for liquid if they were slightly more powerful, but
I'm surprised is
Liquid gonna take a certain path like if they were to get this down or they're gonna go back to mythics mythic plus or what is what is their?
Plan after this are they gonna continue to eat mithics blitz? I think it depends on
How many more they have planned for the rest of the day? Yeah, and how strong those groups are I?
We don't actually know how many things what's their planet I'm doing, but it is the last day of the week
Yeah, it is Monday. You need to
to start worried about just getting things done and maybe not getting all the Vashniks
dead.
Yeah, we've got about 10 hours left of this reset unless they want to go late, but I doubt
that.
I mean, say they kill Vashnik right now, we're 30 minutes from lunch, so maybe they
just go do some Mythic Plus, but I do think we're just going to see a lot of Mythic splits
today.
Yeah, some bashings and scissor-act, but
Like I you know ideally they kill all
What is that five of the bosses in all six splits?
But that is a lot of work
This is what for
Or does I miss will be honest with you? Yeah, so
They're either in four or five of six and then the first three have bashing it to go kill
So important to mention the item level of this group is a little bit lower than the group that Method killed it with. Method was somewhere in the mid 308s according to chat, I believe I saw. This group is 307.7 so about an item level lower. That item level is not going to make the difference though if totems are once wiped.
Now the totems are not a gear check at all
Little aimer check. Yeah, see there's one over by circle here, but they completely missed. Oh, yeah
this is
gonna be ugly
That is actually pretty punishing and
Hey
You can look through what it looks like. They're not a nasty, but no there. Okay. No the second the totems like reappear
I was like, oh, okay, that's not the function.
Alright, this is going to be pull number 11, the pull of that method.
I was able to get it down on.
I think there are about 20-ish percent?
Before, that could be totally wrong.
It was early this morning, but I do know they were taking, like, massive chunks of health off on the boss at a time.
Yeah.
Actually, you have a laptop. You want to check it on Rainer Ayo?
Sure.
Correct me?
Shall we? Let's take a look at the method.
13% says Obi-Wan, but I am kind of curious what their rate of progression was.
Methods?
Counter-graph.
They got the boss to 40% on their third pull.
Okay.
And then took just small chunks of it off every pull after.
Yeah.
32 on the fifth, 13 on the sixth, then killed it.
Doesn't have the ninth pull here.
Nine.
Yeah, you can see there were 308.3, so about a half item level higher than what this liquid group is.
What is this background? Wait, that's so cute.
That's whatever they have set as their background.
Wait, really? I love that! Little drawings.
So who was background, I guess?
No, no, this is methodical.
Oh, the method background.
That is so cool!
This is like looking, if we go to Liquid.
I'm not sure why it shows those first.
We have the scales on Liquid.
Oh, I'm going to be so honest.
I think Method Monks us a little bit with their Raider Aero background.
We need to work on our Raider Aero background.
Yeah, that is so cute.
Here's Liquid's poles on this group.
So, you know, they've got a big chunk of progress.
Pretty much all this is, is every single time they clear a set of totems and get to the next in vibe,
they're going to make a big chunk of progress.
Looks like they're getting about 25 to 30% of the bosses HQ per in vibe.
So, we'll have to see how it goes.
Of course you have to do, the oozes will have more health every time the boss does the imbibe, so you have to focus a little more damage on those.
But you also get a little funnel with them too.
We'll have to see how it goes.
Also I do want to clarify, just to scale back quite a bit for a lot of people that are worried and make statements.
Nobody's slacking, nobody's behind, everybody's kind of on their own path right now.
Looking at the leaderboard at this point in the race is fun and you can't infer some things right there, but you can't infer
Anything about who's gonna win the race this early?
So to say that echo is slacking is no no we kind of rude, but definitely not accurate
I mean echo method and liquid were on the leaderboard at all yesterday. Yeah
Yeah, we're next D for days. Yeah
D up there as well. It's over. It's over. It's over GG
streak broken. No, I mean, there's just that goes probably
now the action might be doing more splits and liquid. I think they have more
characters and they've just got so many chores. I mean, the winner of this week
is whoever comes out of it the highest eye level on Twin Fangs next week. Yeah.
Yeah. That is that's the winner of week one, but we will not know that for a
a while. And some of that, at this point, even RNG, they're doing so much prep that RNG
kind of gets smoothed out, so you can't just be like, that kid got lucky. It's like, no,
they just, they worked harder, they worked faster.
They found a way to circumvent RNG.
Yeah. Can we talk about how disgusting it is that not only did THD decide that he
wanted to completely recreate default LVY and LVY?
Yeah.
did the snot colored raid frames that LVY has too. Yeah did you do that in
Ellismar UI? Yeah, that's the Ellismar UI. Doesn't LVY have like much of the
same capabilities or did they kind of fall behind of what Ellismar has? So I don't
actually know. That doesn't sound like an insulting question. Ellismar has been
kind of working on a whole bunch of really useful, useful modules and has
actually been working pretty closely with the liquid raiders to get them
functionality that they want. That's cool. So it makes sense for pretty much
everyone on the guilt road swap to it. Yeah. It's just very well optimized also. Yeah. The
optimization thing I feel like is kind of a little bit over over talked about. Mm-hmm.
The problem with the optimization thing is like the worst part of LVY is their rate is
their nameplates. If you use all default LVY with LVY nameplates, yeah, your FPS
is going to be terrible. But if you use like default LVY, but you use like play or
You're not going to have that much less FPS than the Ellismire UI, but there definitely
is some optimization still in Ellismire UI that makes it very strong.
Very powerful.
Maybe it's because I don't have like a big Alienware PC with AMD, but I got a ton of
frames when I swapped over Ellismire.
That was one of the things that Kevin said when he was talking about swapping over
a atrocity UI too from LVY to Ellismire UI.
But Kevin is using Ellismire UI?
Yep.
Now, natively, on Ellismare UI as a baseline.
Oh, OK, I see, I see.
I couldn't tell if you're a PNL physician when you said Kevin
like that.
Yeah, I'm cool like that.
I know him on a first name basis.
I said the word Kevin, so I just think that my brain was.
Yeah, that's atrocity, a former liquid writer.
I know rank one players, and it's not a big deal.
OK.
Go, Kevin.
That's a atrocity, by the way.
I mean, atrocity UI, the number one, probably the number
one most used UI, swapped over to Ellismare.
And the reason he said he did that is because when he initially looked at it and swapped
from LVY to LVY, he didn't notice that much of a change in FPS, but when he went on the
lower end machine, he had a laptop that he'd tried it on to get a ton more FPS.
So it's better for more people that way.
There was a guy in one of the splits that was lagging because he couldn't get the
add-on to work on his Mac laptop.
Geez.
They found out he was rating for a Mac and it was like, oh, I can't get it to
work.
No one can troubleshoot with him. I guess the same smack. Yeah, I used to play world of warcraft on a Mac. It was not it was not fun
Miss would actually kill them it's been a slime it's both a very quick and it wasn't time for the new totems
It is lying
But it's nice to see one boss over and over being pulled though
Oh, yeah, so I'm like progress being you know chipped away at you like this more raceful first
S yeah, we're not a meat grime like yeah, yeah, they're on trash they're on a blouse it dies
You switch to some other group. They're somewhere else kind of disorienting green splits. Yeah
You're right disorienting. Yeah, it's like what split is this what key are they in it's just like what level is the key
What level is the split especially this time? What character is this? Yeah, you couldn't be like well
It's almost Friday and that's when they're done. It was just like yeah, I don't know. This is gonna go for I'd love to see
Someone should make this website. This would be hilarious. It'd be useless, but it'd be funny to see like a web graph of
Like teach take TG like what characters fed what and led in to what and kind of like
You know because they're they're gearing their alts. Yeah, you're their alts to give their alts
Together me like it's it's this like whole you know just slew of
Yeah, you could watch like the evolution of the THD, which is exactly yes. Yeah, it's cold like a family tree
Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah, that would be nice. I mean, that's what the analysts are doing
Uh-huh, but we don't like we can't see it in real time. That'd be cool
So it says wow client has an update. Don't restart
We're getting some hot things stuck in a queue. What does this mean? It's so funny that they just hot-fixed. Oh, no
something to talk about as well as you know, there's gonna be a thing for later in the day sure but
We did have our class tuning notes back on Friday,
and those will come into play tomorrow.
Sometimes they let things kind of simmer over the weekend,
and they might add one or two extra lines
to the patch notes on Monday evening.
So like for example, last week on Monday,
that was when Rep Paladin got their 6% Orabuff Added in.
So we might see a little bit of extra tuning come in
this afternoon, about probably three and a half
or four hours from now.
Yeah, we might not they might they might feel like they nailed it on their first pass on Friday
But it wouldn't surprise me if there were a couple forgotten classes that got a little bit of a nudge
Yeah, like like I'm holy
That doesn't count
Dude imagine you you see a change to patch notes and you see
Horn of winter now we're
What would it do? What would Horn of Wunder do?
I would be excited.
Or you're like asking me to like-
What would the buff be?
I can just make it whatever I want.
Yeah, yeah, what would it be?
What would the canry buff be?
I get full-rooted power.
No, it has to be a raid buff.
I know, but I'm included in this.
I get full-rooted power.
Oh, 2% haste.
That would actually be nice.
And then at 2%, yeah.
That's, I like that.
I was gonna say, I was gonna bump it up like 5%,
but yeah, 2% haste buff would be great.
Just to sew, not decaying.
I mean...
I guess. What would you make it?
I don't know. I mean, the haste would fit.
Yeah.
The others, but it doesn't seem very decay-like.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
I do and I don't like the gripping rate buff kind of thing.
Because it is fun.
Fine, frost resistance.
Frost resistance, yeah.
Imagine. Imagine that's what they get.
I've got it. Alright.
So, I still get full rune power.
And, it can proc, and I get full rune power.
You have a chance, a very high chance, for each member of your raid to summon their own personal ghoul that fights for you for 30 seconds.
That sounds a little OP, Aya.
Exactly.
Okay.
Okay, well, how would you make a balance?
Trade offer.
Trade offer.
I'm willing to hear you out.
You get exactly what you want?
Yes.
Warlock gets original dark intent back.
Okay, I'm willing to accept your terms.
Okay, do you remember what original Warlock darkened Ted was?
No.
It was like a 9% self buff.
Okay.
Actually, there's a 9% buff to you and one other person.
Okay.
Okay, what about- you guys still have that eye anymore, do you?
I have Killra on.
I have Killra still there.
I thought they got rid of it.
No, it's still there.
Okay.
I thought they were like, hey, it's too- it's like useless.
It is pretty useless.
Actually, new trade offer.
Oh, okay.
New trade offer.
Okay.
All right.
Yeah.
Trade offer has hit the desk.
Okay.
Delete demon hunter.
GASP!
Give Dimo Warlock's meta back.
No no no no no no.
What?
No.
So you hate me.
So you hate Shaq?
Is what I'm hearing.
Actually.
He can play something, he can play Domi.
Oh.
Wait, oh no.
Oh no, you've riled him up.
Oh I don't like this.
Shaq is loving it.
What is this Dimo?
I love this little shakey mo.
Deal.
It's deal.
That's funny.
That's funny.
Okay.
As I knew you were the best.
How can we just, what can we share?
Can we have shared custody of demon of mera? No. No, you took it.
Demon. I didn't do anything. You have a demon hunter. I took I know,
but I didn't do. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Hold on. Warlocks. Did you hear this?
He has his own demon hunter. He's a hypocrite. Seize this man.
It's mine.
Listen, I'm the person who had the rank of the betrayer and the Warlock
discord for like three years.
I have no class at home. They hate me. Or love me, depending on...
Why did you get labeled a betrayer?
Because I swapped to Mage and Legion.
Yeah, I would do that too.
Somebody asked for Death Coil.
Absolutely not. That's just pure selfishness.
Should I make a hot take?
Yeah, let's hear it.
They should fix this boss and just say sorry.
and let method be the kill and just go,
this boss is just gonna be this way, deal with it.
You don't like the cheese strat?
No, I don't like the cheese strat.
I wanna see this fight, I wanna see it in real life.
Yeah, yeah, I'm with you.
I mean, I bet if they fixed it,
they would just go do another split
and actually pull this boss who would see it
till next week, which then they would like,
hyper over gear.
Okay.
I'm a little disappointed in how this turned out
cause this boss seems like it could have been pretty cool.
Maybe the totem stuff's not actually that fun.
That seemed frustrating to kind of just have one totem up and then you insta-wipe
so maybe fix it and then make you be able to live through one totem? I don't know, but
this fight seems like it could have been pretty cool. Yeah. Dude, Cams, remember Moonwell Chalice
demo back in the day? When pressing metamorphosis, snapshot of your mastery, but it actually
tripled it. So you'd press Moonwell Chalice, which was a non-used mastery trinket that
you press metamorphosis and you speak god mode for 30 seconds.
Yeah, that's the meta.
Good times.
It's just so far gone.
Good times.
All the demon hunters are doing it, Shaq.
Did you remember, remember throwing a thunder demo when you could like press doom and then press doom again?
Yeah.
And you just had this doll on the target that lasted 2 minutes and 15 seconds.
That would crit and every time it crit it spawned an infant, you had infinite demonic fury.
Yeah, that was pretty fun.
they just said in meta and press soulfire and do a ton of single target damage
so good
somebody says to check my twitter mentions for something on elos where you are but i don't see a mention
i don't know if you meant
i don't see one sorry go ahead
i was excited for this but i see nothing
yeah i miss doom
i miss just
is it even a talent anymore?
you haven't played doom in so long
there's
a weird like
Doomguard version of doom where whenever you demon bolt a target it puts a 22nd doom on it
Okay, and then when that expires it can spawn a doomguard that does doomball volley, but it's not like old doom at all
No, that's right. You can kind of like tap doom a bit
Are we talking about things that we want to bring back to the game? Yeah
We're just kind of reminiscing to be honest
I'm trying to think. I liked presences with DK. Yeah
I like their stances.
KS wave.
KS wave is great.
The old hand of gildan with the stacking dot was so fun.
Oh dude it was such a skill cap because you had hand of gildan and then you'd cast two fillers
or maybe three if you were in lust.
Then you'd cast your second hand of gildan and then while the hand of gildan was in the air
you'd swap it into metamorphosis so that the dot damage from the hand of gildan would benefit from the metabastery.
Yeah it just felt nice.
It was a little wheel.
It was a little rotational thing we did.
I don't think we want to take away, like death and decay is just awful.
Power infusion that actually just give it to only me.
Oh yeah, that was a pretty good clear, they've got those two, that one's gonna right between
them.
They've got three, three, 15 totems, just one over there by the red fountain, and maybe
four totems left.
I just noticed a Yipz demon here. Yipz Goose.
Yes. Hopefully cranking on the meter, I think that's important.
He has been. He's there for...
Well, let's give a refresher and chat on exactly what they're wiping to and what this fight is like.
So we're on Mythic Fashion Week if you haven't noticed. This is the first little progression boss we've had in a little while.
Probably the real first progression boss we've had in the entire tier for Liquid here.
They pulled a little bit off stream last night to see if their strat worked.
Method killed it earlier today in about 11 pulls.
Essentially, the main mythic mechanic we're looking at here on Vashnik, every time the boss casts in Bybe, you'll see a whole bunch of these malignant totems spawn all over the room. They're untargetable.
The only way to get rid of them, Kansas, is with those frothy waves that they spawn. We get targeted with that possibility.
Yeah, I'm looking for the timer right now. It should be soon. Yeah, okay 15 seconds. You see they're everywhere
So they kind of to just line up the first one waves clear a bunch of them because you know
They're just all over the place
They're just accidentally hitting a few and then it's about like the second and third set where they could start
Targeting and making sure they can get like some of these ones far away. You can see them line up
Kind of a yellow a bit on this first one. Oh there you can see THD knocks in there
I was a little generous with the hitbox.
So now they've got like five over there to the left,
three over to the right,
and they're just gonna probably kinda be pre-positioning.
Like get these soaks,
and now start thinking about this next froth
that's coming out really soon,
and like who's gonna get each one?
He's kind of positioning by this orange line here.
He'll get that, there's someone over there.
Red, nice, he gets it, he's just gonna stay red on it.
She moved to the left. You can get both. Yeah, there you go. Nice. It's just but someone else also
Splat got it. Well, I've got it as well. I think they're clear. Nope. There's one over there by moon
No, here in vibes. Oh, what happens if they don't clear it?
You're gonna find out. We'll take a look. Okay, cool. Yeah, boom. And then dog. Oh, they're okay. Oh, no, they're not
And then also
We are just like method cheesing circumventing a pretty
big mechanic in this boss as well.
Yeah well okay so it's not necessarily circumventing your cheeses, it's vastly overstated with the
cheeses here because you're making the fight harder for yourself by not swapping and just
doing a real strat.
The deal with this boss is just like it is unnormal and heroic, every time the boss
casts a vibe, yes I'm not think it spawns the totems but it also buffs the boss
and his abilities based off of which altars that you're imbibing.
So they're just doing Shadow and Fire the entire time, which means the Shadow and Fire adds
and the mechanic the boss gains from those is powering up as the fight goes on, making
the fight harder and harder.
You're not spreading the buffs more effectively by doing it this way.
So you're kind of making the fight harder for yourself.
The question is whether or not this is harder or actually having to run all the way across
the platform to the Blood Altar is harder.
And it looks like just dealing with the same two mechanics over and over should be
Slightly easier, but they're still gonna have to figure it out a little bit here. Yeah, I think the blood arc altar is just harder
That's why they're they're choosing these two to do and then yeah like having to run across the entire room
Not only is it a ton of movement a ton of damage lost
It also kind of shuffles the positioning and right now
They kind of have all got their spots and when they're going to pick the froths
And they have to kind of adjust as things do or don't get hit
But yeah, having to like sprint across the room and refan out also more damage loss also just like kind of more to think about
maybe I
Guess they'd be over there by the time the imbibe
started so the totems would have a similar kind of spread on their side, but yeah that
they've given up
Some things that may be easier and pick things that may be harder, but they think overall this is easier
Yeah, well, so I'd just like to say when I use the word cheese
I'm not at all using that in a negative way.
No, it's just a way for them to make the mechanic more reliable for themselves.
Yeah, they're just doing it as you would think as intended you're supposed to go around from fountain to fountain
and that's what the designer wanted.
And that's why they put the negative in on staying on one, but the negative is just not strong enough.
But sometimes that can be a cool thing with rating.
Yeah.
As you can, like on Ulitec, there's a Serpent Bites,
which are those red circle soaks that they get in phase three.
And you can sack them and they don't explode.
So they, you know, you can pick,
we'll take the difficulty of kind of slowly losing a player,
every one of those, or saving a battle res for that mechanic,
over soaking it.
And you can kind of just choose what's harder.
I like, I like that.
This I don't like as much.
Yeah.
I'm seeing this question for multiple people in chat and it kind of seems kind of crazy
to us for them to think about it, but if you're somebody who isn't that intimately familiar
with the kind of the workings of the race, I guess it makes sense to ask someone else
is the cheese outside of the TOS.
Blizzard is like very close with these guilds.
They have a Rastal World first disc earth where they have like instant communication
with somebody at Blizzard that can get things fixed.
If there was ever something that one of the guilds was doing that Blizzard was not okay
with they would be told instantly they would say stop doing that or we'll reset the boss
interface or worse we'll just ban you.
So I promise you this is all above board it's fine.
Yeah something that wouldn't be is like say you took Vashnik over to a fountain and
stood in a specific spot and then he just didn't spawn totems or didn't spawn ads
or something like that.
would be a for sure no way you can do this and people wouldn't you know it's
uh you know it when you see it yeah I think yeah like first for example I
think something that's interesting is old year was kind of pre that kind of
communication with Blizzard remember that strat we did on mythrex where you
still on top of the rock to spawn yeah all of the ads on top of the rock
they probably wouldn't be okay with that nowadays no I don't think they
would ban for that.
They would just tell us not to do that.
No, I think if you do something that makes the boss just skip mechanics straight up or
bug out or like, you know, stop doing mechanics, then yes, don't do that.
But if you are just using the mechanics as they are in the game and it just happens to
be easier in a way that doesn't seem like it's intended, then that is all fine.
kind of kind of the fun of it because you'll see some guilds. I mean it happened with method.
They think of something different and they do it and everyone goes oh we didn't think of it that
way or we didn't think it'd be easier and they start doing it. I mean usually because of the
way the resets work and liquid gets to all the mythic bosses first you just see the other guilds
kind of copy their strats but back in the day you would watch a video no one saw streams
It was like videos weren't released until five guilds had happened and you'd see
different guilds and different strategies on mechanics and then everybody would kind of switch
to the one that was like oh those people just had a way better strat. Yeah, yeah that's just the
nature of the race. Yeah, which I missed that part. Yeah. But even in today's age say we got a
global release the strats would just get yoinked to insta so you'd see like a couple pulls of
some of a different strat, and then everybody would just decide whichever guild has the
easier one.
THG Banish, you can literally run them up on the side there so it doesn't move at all.
Ah, it doesn't take damage also.
Yep.
No chance of the overlap there.
In a while since we've seen Banish be so useful.
Yeah, it's going to stay there until he recasts it, or runs out there, he's going
to recast it to remove the vanish, now it can be gripped in.
My Scott on the DK there, and they'll cleave that down as well.
as well at the same time we have our plague frost going out first set already went out but
totems we have left are in a nice tight spot near the boss they've actually left a couple of just
easy clumpings available for this this should be an easy clear
my wonder if that was intentional or just kind of no one ended up in that area
all right DHD it's kind of easy easy double double right here
yeah you can see that big blue line didn't seem that useful for the mechanic though
Yeah, but we do have three deaths. Oh, there and there is one so
Well, they're going in the puddle because the easy clump didn't get cleared. Oh, that's crazy. They thought it was too easy
Well, sorry, that's castricers. I thought it was easy. Well, oh, no
If it's just gonna jump up and down on it
Okay
Why not throw it in there? Yeah, I think even the nature of that being very sick so pass fail
Yeah, I mean it's still hard with the the cheese
Anything where you just instantly why for not doing a mechanic adds a lot of difficulty
Yep, Chad Ling is ironic. Chad. I'm not the only one who hurt it that way. We are one in the same
One of those earlier in the block T
I'm getting a grow up.
Alright, poor champs isn't even there.
Alright, we're going to go out nice, nice production.
That's great.
We're going to go on a pull number 16.
Into Mythic Vashnik.
I mean, Method did get it down in 11.
So, world first in last pulls.
That is something.
Did the fire under them.
Feel like I don't know how the mental the Raiders is but
Like shooting guns
People being weird in chat. It's a little I'm just gonna address it guys
I'm not hating on method. I was in their chat this morning sharing along with them when they got
Vashnik down I started the beginning of this morning saying congratulations to method there is absolutely nothing wrong with cheesy of us
We're doing the same thing right now.
No, people are being weird about the word cheese.
I think it has a negative connotation where it doesn't.
It's not! It's like, dude,
cheesing is like a part of world of work.
I feel like if you can cheese something, you've won.
Yeah?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Nothing wrong with all cheese.
You don't like cheese?
Cheese is delicious.
Yeah.
That's your favorite cheese.
Bree.
Bree is good.
I love Bree.
Yeah.
I'm more a fan of like a sharp cheese,
like a sharp white cheddar.
that's a good one. Camp's favorite cheese. I'm not sure. Yeah, lately it's cottage cheese.
Cottage cheese. Yeah. Yeah. Provolone good on sandwiches, Gouda good on sandwiches. Yeah.
My favorite thing to bring to a party is, and it's super easy, you get a brick of brie,
and then you take a little bit of jelly. Yeah. And then you take what those pulverate croissants
You wrap it around it and then you bake it.
Yeah, or if you have a friend at the party, you say,
hey, can you preheat your oven?
And then you get to the party, you bake it for like 25 minutes.
Then you put it on some crackers or something.
And it's fantastic.
It's delicious.
One of my favorite things to get is an appetizer
at an Italian place.
It's some good, fresh burrata.
Oh, yeah.
Yes.
Delicious.
So good.
Cheese is so great.
Cream cheese
My grandma used to yeah do this thing you know that chipotle sauce that you can get it's like blueberry chipotle
You get a Costco
Just to have it at samples and not at salad anymore. But cream cheese plus that sauce
And then you dip it in like a wheat then. Oh, yeah
Cheesecake also go to yeah, but here we are on the pole number 16 at
60
Seven percent.
What were you waiting for that?
No, of course I would never do that.
I thought you weren't able to read it.
No Cabs, I would never do that.
Yeah, no I would absolutely. I'm extremely mature.
Now is there a way that they can somehow just line up
these frosts so that like it just
sends like a kind of they don't have to aim them
so they can just sweep a side and then go line up
the other side and kind of send away to sweep that out?
So funnily enough, this was like the first strategy that my guild and I tried on PTR,
is if all of your guys just lined up together, right and your waves were diagonal, they would
just cover a whole little grid.
But with only five of them, I don't know if you have enough clear space to do that.
Would you hit each other also?
No.
Maybe I'm not.
Because you're lined up like this?
Oh!
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So they go diagonally after my character, rather than to your left or right.
I got you.
Trying to make it like a nice wall of them. Yeah, that makes sense shoot across the whole room
That does work, but I don't know if there's enough of them to make it clear the entire room
They need to get the clear here with this set of frosts. I don't see any totem
So we might have made it through this in five as well
She's spinning around. I don't know if he's looking or just DPS a now as we get further and further into the fight
Every time these vibes come out as get more HP
Except if you throw them more and then of course the mechanics that the boss gains from these alters gets a little bit stronger as well
also from the shadow altar he puts a healing absorb on several players and that healing
absorb will continue to get stronger it'll also spawn these voidsons these purple voidsons
whenever they go out as well it also puts out several flame dots on on players in the group
which will do pretty pretty decent dot damage to them you need to dispel them that every time
you dispel them it does great aoe damage so that's what these little flame motors you see
going on, that's them dispelling those dots. They have to make sure that they do them at
the right time, otherwise they could just kill off the raid. Fortunately, Lip got run over
by...no, that wasn't Lip and Shay. Got run over by Waves there. They did a nice little
wall, I don't know if that was intended. They did clear a lot of them, there were only
a couple totems left. Okay, we get one more set of froth, there's one far one by the
purple marker. Yeah, way out there, that is not a great spot for that one to be
He's pinging himself maybe saying I'm gonna go get it or he's saying I'm getting the one right next to me
He did not get he did not get it did not get a froth. Oh
Oh, I can't tell fire up look at it
No, he didn't
There may have been one at red we'll find out soon here see five comes out huge hit a damage three two one thing
Okay, they're good. They're good.
Alright.
A couple people today.
I'm just skin of their teeth.
Nick is back up.
First time seeing a vibe number four, we're in new best territory here.
Honestly, if you can clear on this set...
Yeah, boss dead.
I think the boss just stopped.
Yeah, I think so too.
Maybe the last in vibe is gonna hit really hard.
New best.
Clip some people out.
Knocked on wood, don't worry chat.
Yeah, kinda spreading out.
Maybe we'll see another wall come out.
I don't know if that was intentional, but...
Oh, do we all have the same idea?
It looks like they're just kind of doing this big line wall sweeping.
It's not bad, but they're missing a few of them.
Yeah, but they get enough of them that they can have one.
Oh, but you see they have a lot of them.
You see the markers that they have placed down?
It looks like they are going for that kind of strategy.
OK.
Now, those markers have been there.
They're going to have to send two over to the purple side to get these sets.
Oh, yeah, there's a lot over there.
I don't know if you can hit all of those with just two.
There's also a ton over by the fire altar. Can we get the clear here? Everyone needs to pay attention to their spots.
Let's take a look around the room. Clear to those two from the close ones. The purple side is clear. Is the concession here as well?
There was one by the orange mark. Oh no! No, no.
Oh, purple looked pretty sketchy and they were able to get them all.
Just one and bypassed number five.
AMT, it's gonna save them!
No, no, no. The knot does way too much damage.
They're trying.
They can look through for a little bit.
I've got some. Not gonna be enough.
Guys it's 200k damage every 2 seconds for a minute.
Yeah, oh it's with pole saving damage.
Yeah, they're kind of living.
Like you can kind of live through it but like not really.
Ignoring the add for everything to the boss
but they're going to be going down at about 13%.
That is the new best on pole number 15.
So making significant progress here but
yeah it just kind of looks like getting those
orbs down is the top part here.
So is it just a coincidence that I brought up
them lining up in a wall and they went over they've been doing that the whole
time because those markers have been there the whole time they've been
pulling maybe they just decided they would do it it kind of kind of bit them a
little bit there because I think there was someone with one of the waves just
standing on a marker and they didn't hit anything yeah it's a little weird do
we have a mod of a chat doing some points gamble I'm feeling some points
I've seen a few of them right now unless it's active
Maybe I'm not sure. I apologize if I missed it, mods. I'm gonna go very hard workers.
I want some points. I'm feeling hungry.
Oh, one sec.
You know what?
You don't have to serve us a little two-second timeout.
Oh, like, I don't have the slider. I need to install 17.
Yeah.
This laptop, one sec.
Just give him a 10.
A little bit of a ride.
Or give him a 10 and then undo it.
Yeah, no, I need to get 17 so I can get the slider.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Click to drag.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
One sec.
Also, we need to be able to see the emotes on this.
Oh, I was gonna say we're getting close to lunch, that's like we're getting it.
I do like doing the wall for the first clear though, because I think it cleans enough of
the room and then you have a lot of time until the next broth that you can kind of ping things
out and coordinate and talk to each other about who should go where.
But then it's always the like roll of the dice of, okay, THD was standing over there
by circle to clear it and he just didn't get a wave.
It's kind of a bummer.
Somebody asked, what is the cheese versus what was intended?
So the intended strategy is to move around the room
hitting each altar.
So like you would start the fight by doing shadow
and fire in the front,
then you would move to like where the purple marker is,
the shadow and blood, then you do blood and fire.
And you'd move in a circle around the room
spreading out the buffs so that the ads
wouldn't get empowered too much.
The abilities the boss would do
would get empowered too much.
from what the Blood Altar is, it's so far away from where you already are, and there
was a problem in testing, I'm not sure if it's still active, but it wouldn't surprise
me if it was, where sometimes the Totems can just spawn literally all the way across the
room.
Yeah.
So like if you're running from the Shadow Altar to the Blood Altar, and you get
an unbibe cast, it could spawn a Totem back at the Shadow Altar, which would
just be miserable to try to clear, so it makes sense to try to stay pretty centralized
in the same spot in the room.
Gotcha.
What's going on here?
You guys are doing right here.
You guys are watching your guys' prog on a Vashnik.
Oh wow.
In the split run?
The only problem is I kind of have a hard time seeing everything.
Oh really?
Yeah, it's really tough.
If you watch the last pull I hit a big snipe across the roof.
Oh yeah, the one up there.
That was me?
Yeah, from all the way down town.
Who else but THD?
I did those with my Zenny's.
Oh, so you're saying if I had Zenny's,
I would have been able to see you do that?
Yeah, of course.
With your Zenny's, you can snipe them from downtown.
Yeah, okay, so before I get to this boss,
what should I do?
You need to buy some Zenny's,
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I uh, I feel like uh, a little bit a little bit outnumbered here on the glasses gang
Yeah, you need to get some classes over here. I know I actually I non-ironically do need glasses
I've been struggling this year. I think my vision got substantially worse this last year
What type of frames I don't know. It's been a while since I've had glasses
I had ones like yours. They're like aviators kind of
For like my reading glasses because I'm either short-sighted or nearsighted. I don't know the difference. You're both
I might be both. You're both or I'm both. No, you're both. I think I'm both nowadays. Yeah, but I remember growing up
I had to do eye exercises
Because if I was looking at something up close one of my eyes would like do that
Yeah, yeah, so sometimes it still does sometimes if I'm really tired you'll probably see my eye just like
Yeah, you ever seen that video of that kid who's like drinking water and the mom's like use both eyes and he just
That's me. I have not seen that video now. Yeah. No, it's just kind of good to let it wander sometimes
But how often do you guys get your prescription? How often do you get prescription checked?
I just did so I can order news anys
Okay, and the time before was I get these
Like Nia Lotha around them. Oh, oh, so it's a wine. Yeah. Yeah, you're just that is me
They're on the way right you're new Zenny's. Yeah, they're on the way
I hope I put the order in you're supposed to get it done every year, but I also do it like every five years
Yeah, it's pretty bad. There's a lot of things that you're supposed to do all the time that people don't like you're supposed to get a
new mattress every two years. You're supposed to clean out your water heater every year.
I don't think people do that ever. The entire time they've lived in a house. And then they
wonder why they have bags of mine. I saw a video of it the other day. It was really gross.
Somebody cleared out their hot water and there was just like a bunch of white stuff in the
bottom of it. It's just like minerals probably. Everyone knows you just turn the mattress
around and that makes it good for another like five years. Yeah. And then you can
flip it. There's a lot of angles. Yeah. Okay. Do you ever, when
you're like playing WoW, sometimes I'll do this like if I'm
playing for a long time, I kind of like look through the
monitor. Yes. And like, it's blurry, like I'm not actually
like looking at it. I just kind of zone out. Maybe you have a
cross eye like me. Maybe like a lazy, like a, could be.
Because I could feel kind of good. Like your eyes kind of
like, it's kind of nice to relax like that. Yeah, it is
relaxing. It might be because I didn't know that's what my
eyes were doing for a long time. When I felt that
feeling of like relaxing my eyes and I filmed myself I'm like oh god
can you guys like purposefully blur your vision if you want to like to get
something and just blur it yeah apparently that's not a very common thing
really it's like a 10% of people can do it like a magic eye weird
yeah so I had a superpower when really it was my mom telling me you're not
going to learn how to read unless you do these exercises but all along I was
special being able to refocus your eyes
manually is not something you're supposed to normally be able to do yeah
Oh, can you make the thunder noise in a year?
Yeah, that's also pretty rare thing.
Oh my God, I'm so cool.
I feel like I have human superpowers.
I can wiggle my ears too.
Can you guys do that?
Nope, absolutely not.
Can you do this?
Yeah.
Yeah, I can do that.
I think that's hard to do.
What other stuff?
What is another weird ones?
What are you doing?
Oh, the four leaf clover thing?
The four leaf clover thing?
That one I can't do.
You got to do a little bit of prep for that one.
I just look dumb trying to do it.
A lot of people questioning the thunder sound, listen if you don't know, you don't know.
What can I say?
It's like, okay, I'll describe it and you tell me if this is what you mean.
It's like when you have a really good stretch and you feel kind of like this noise,
I can do that on command also, not just what I'm stretching.
It's kind of like, it sounds like the blood is rushing in your ears a little bit.
Yeah.
I think that's what it is yeah, but what do you mean like when it's like a
I don't know kind of like flex back like I'm stretching my ears. Yeah. Yeah, you kind of like
It's like almost like it's like flexing your ears. Yeah, it's really weird. It sounds strange, but
Yeah, I don't know
The other weird things as well, uh-huh a Fantasia
Being unable to picture things in your head. Do you have that? No, I'm a five
Yeah.
Have you seen the image?
There's a very, like there's an image describing a fantasia of like five images, one, a zero
is somebody who literally can't picture anything.
Okay.
A five, like you can picture the apple, you can change the color, you can spin it around,
you can do tricks on it.
Like you can imagine everything.
I'm okay.
I can make that apple spin.
Ooh.
Does that mean you can draw really good?
No, I'm creatively very stupid.
I feel like it means you have the potential to draw really well.
Cause you're at the other end, like you can see it in your head.
I can see it in my head.
Yeah.
I'm the same way.
What level are you?
I don't know.
I mean, I couldn't see an apple and spin it, but I'm not seeing it.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
It's there, but it's not.
I feel like if you can't do that, it's got to be some sort of like NPC.
Hey, stop rotating me.
Stop it.
No.
It's called the other one is the internal monologue.
Oh, yeah.
People don't have one.
Fired up doesn't have one.
That's crazy.
That's literally enlightenment because his monologue is said out loud
Yeah, he speaks it out loud
Perhaps I
Don't believe anybody who says that that they don't have an internal monologue. Yeah
Me neither. I don't know how that I feel like that'd be so boring inside your head. It would be kind of nice
Actually, it would actually very nice. You just don't have any thoughts. Yeah, no thoughts just vibes. Yeah, you're just flowing
Did you just try and convince yourself they had superpowers when you're a little kid?
No, not really. Oh, that was just me. Mm-hmm. I
Was definitely a vampire. Oh
Yeah, yeah, cool, which part
What do you mean living forever? Like I was yeah living forever
lived in Forks, Washington
Super hot I
Was like the Sun it hurts my eyes. Oh, I'm so serious right now. Did you live in Washington? No
That's a twilight thing. That's a twilight thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Forks Washington, the place with the most rain out of any city in America. Yeah.
I found like online chat forums of people that also thought they were vampires.
I'm so stupid. I was a young impressionable teenager.
I was so convinced. I'd like go to school and be like, nobody knows that I'm a vampire.
And so, did you think you got bit one knife?
No, I just, I don't know.
I just, I guess so, yeah.
Maybe I was one of the lucky ones I was like born to be.
And you guys, have you guys taken the Reds R test?
Yes.
I'm so neurotypical, it's boring.
I don't understand.
Okay, I don't know how to, you're just like one of us
and we're all so neuro spicy, I feel like.
I don't get it, I got like a 20.
Yeah.
For those of you who don't know,
It's like, that's a test for determining where you fall in terms of like, uh,
yeah, it's basically an autism test, right?
Where you, where you look at the spectrum, essentially anything below 70 is like very
neurotypical.
Yeah.
No signs.
I know how I have a lot of traits.
So I'm, if this wasn't obvious to everybody else, have very bad ADHD and I have
auditory processing, so it's awesome.
Um, but I took that test with Teddles.
Teddles was sitting next to me.
I was like, I don't think I think I have some traits that are on the
spectrum, but I'm not really sure I have it.
Like the first question, I get stun locked.
I'm like, okay, well, what does this mean?
Like, there are certain situations,
I think it was like, do you feel bad for people?
And I was like, okay, but like,
there are certain situations where like I wouldn't.
And Tuttle's turn to me and he goes,
I have got news for you.
I got bad news for you, or good news for you,
depending on how you look at it.
Yeah, yeah, neutral news, so.
Yeah, one of the questions is-
Jury is still out.
One of the questions is something long lines of,
do you take things to, ah, face value.
What's the word for that?
I think so, literally.
Like literally, do you take questions literally?
It's like, well, do they mean this question literally
or all questions literally?
Exactly.
Someone said that, I was like, oh.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, yeah.
I know a lot of mine, I scored really high
on like the sensory ones.
So I thought sensory things,
like I don't like touching paper.
Yeah.
At all.
Yeah.
Oh, what did you score?
Have you taken that one, Tim?
No.
Oh, fun segment for next block.
Oh, I don't know if I'm gonna be categorized.
That's fair. That's fair. You want to be free spirit. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I don't want to influence is coming.
I don't want to fit in the box. No, that's fair. The record. None of this is negative. Yeah. No, not at all. Absolutely. No, this is not a negative
point before anybody twists my words again. I hate that. Especially method. No, no, I love dude. Roy been I would die for that
woman. She's great. I love her. She is my queen. They love all girlies. All right, well, they got about 17 minutes
left here on the clock, and they are going to be taking their lunch break.
And in the meantime, we're just kind of yapping, answering questions in
chat. Yeah.
Any burning questions chat now you've got our full attention, not that you
didn't before, but we need to fill time.
So help us out in the meantime.
We'll just stare at you.
Contemplating, we could talk about other weird human evolvements.
like like wisdom teeth got mine do you still have your wisdom teeth really I
don't know I don't when we're taking out I still remember the crunching sound
ooh what does that mean that's how they remove your wisdom teeth they like
crush the two were awake yeah dear god oh Dennis did you go I was knock me out
I don't want to remember any of this. I just took the local anesthesia. It was chill. It was really uncomfortable, but
Did they caught her if you like I don't they cauterize anything
We've never been awake when they do that you like taste your own
I'm pretty sure it's very normal to be awake when they take your wisdom. Oh, maybe I went to a weird dentist
We don't want to deal with this girl while she's awake
Maybe if they're like a really badly and grown you have to be yeah under I just weren't grown in yet
So I don't know if that's like particularly bad. I'm not entirely sure. It wasn't fun either way. The healing process was like, let me see.
Oh, oh, yeah, you got a lot of tea. Got a lot of choppers.
Okay, got a couple questions from Chad.
Okay, let's hear it.
What's a feature you want to see implemented into WoW that you've seen from other modern MMOs? I have one off the bat.
Yeah, you go, you go.
Legacy movement from Final Fantasy XIV.
What does that mean?
So, typical WoW in WoW.
Okay.
When you press your WASD characters, I'm not talking about the pan, I'm just talking about
forward, left, back, right.
Your character stays facing the direction that you're pressing.
It stays going forward regardless of what button you press.
Legacy movement, Final Fantasy XIV, you press left, your character goes left.
You press back, your character goes back.
That means you're always moving full speed.
It might sound like a pain, but with Legacy movement, when you press to cast a spell
on the target, your character auto-faces it.
I want legacy movement. Wow.
Very nice.
I like that. Okay.
All right. Chat talk amongst yourselves on what feature you'd like to bring in.
Wow. We can table this conversation because I think there's a lot we could
talk about here, but in the meantime, we do have a special video for you guys.
How do you guys seem?
Kalamaz is a rain so far.
Meet me.
It's PVP.
His PVP arc.
No, I heard about it as it was happening, but I've not seen it.
Okay.
Well, we're going to watch a little bit more of the 1v1 and we're going to
see the duel that happened in the Alienware 1v1 PvP Caster Tournament. Let's check out.
No, Jens are slapping in here.
I want to put a quick piece to follow in.
It seems to me that we should have it thrown out.
Keep in mind, whoever's done the most damage after 3 minutes wins.
That's not like he's dead.
Come on, come on.
Call on the event.
I don't know what you're thinking about, Jens.
That was shitty feeling.
This is crazy, I can't believe I'm not like, I'm like, I was like, wow!
I'm like, wow!
We're feverish twins.
We're feverish twins.
Worst drill.
I'm at the Alienware girl with our mirrorless Eve.
Hello again.
Hello.
I don't know if my mind is working, but hopefully it is.
Hopefully we're going to see what it is this time.
You've made a new part.
I'm the last night you were working on this part.
Tell me about this part.
So we have our three turtles right here.
No way affiliated to ninjas.
They are not ninjas.
in any way I've found out.
Bumps, good Bumps.
We got the main one, the main lost explorer
with a fish in his mouth, because that's what they do.
And then I've kind of just got the colors blocked out
or the tones blocked out so you can see the form
taking shape.
Interesting.
So wait, so you do the shading first
and then you point, you do the color after,
like on top of it, and it kind of comes through?
Yes.
My stream, Sonya, my stream said it's a lot
like a coloring book.
make it like a coloring book. Interesting. Is that like a specific technique to murals or this type
of paint or I've never heard of that. Yeah. It's actually something a lot of painters do. Oil painters
do it a lot. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. It's like an under painting that you do for all the tones. And
then you don't lose your space. You know what's going on. Wow. I feel like I'm learning so much.
I wish I had these techniques in our. Last time I done that. Very cool. Okay. Yeah. Finish
This little guy over here as well, right?
Yes, I did.
You want to come in?
You want to take a look at this guy?
Yeah.
Really, she was incredible.
She was very fun to do.
Yeah.
I got a little bit of her magic aura going on.
And then I'm doing the blocking in of the two Golem guys.
Yeah, that's interesting.
Yeah, did you see my girly pop quiz that I did yesterday?
I did.
I was teaching them a similar technique
where we have the lip liner first.
So lip liner, right?
And then the lipstick.
The paint, yes.
And then the gloss.
And then the gloss goes on over top.
On the top.
Yeah, so wow.
Everything's girly pop, I think.
I think it's girly hacks.
It's a killer.
Right?
Well, how have you been enjoying it so far?
How's the stay going?
You finally going to do the fun stuff.
I'm so excited to actually get into the real bits of it.
So yeah, I'm really hyped on this.
I've been wanting to do these guys for a long time.
Yeah, I'm excited to get into the thick of it.
All right.
Well, you're still streaming as well.
I'm going to make you shout it out once again.
Are you live right now?
I am.
I'm live.
We're real detailed in the painting.
It's quit sweating me.
If you ever remember it, like, forget.
Just remember.
Just quit sweating me.
I'm coming over to my stream.
Socials on everything, so.
Quit sweating it.
Yeah, if you want some fun, IRL, casual content
kind of behind the scenes of the race will first,
come on over to Eve Stream, watch some art.
And in the meantime, we're going to head to a break.
Thank you guys so much, and we will be right back.
Wee!
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Pretty comfy, huh?
Isn't it funny that people wonder if THD is awake or not during raids?
Obviously not.
He's actually microdosing naps in his chair.
Sitting on a soft supportive memory foam seat really makes all the difference, you know?
But he's not just sleeping.
He's somehow optimized recovery for the race.
And the trick is getting the four-way lumber support on this thing just right to keep my posture ready.
So it's not even a nap, it's a cool-down. Watch this.
It's so awkward when I'm trying to call Combs in the raid and he's asleep.
Like at least for Klein or something.
That's one of the best parts of the chair.
I need to be one of them chairs.
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I wish race started already.
Hey KSC, what are you doing out here?
The race started.
I love race so, so, so, so much.
I love only the glasses as any could help me see.
I just think it's weird that race started all of a sudden.
I was thinking, what if we killed the boss
and ended the race tonight?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Don't do that.
Oh, please.
Oh, please.
Oh, please.
Oh, please.
later is like really easy to just make sure you have a
like when you're lining yourself up look at like the ones far away you're
hitting like the closer the last ones are the center the best chance we have
of getting home.
Oh that's that was just a thought it's the mowing the long stride where it's
nothing to the actual stack super close on the first set you go five as
close as you can to the door on the second set you go five as close as you
can to the coffin and it just hits everything in the room but it
doesn't.
okay basically basically if they spawn if they didn't spawn as far into like past purple as they
do you could do is then you close that and that's it, and then we're going the lock and fucking hit
let's be in this fucking home literally my break could not be in the fucking
this one is so boring actually i just hit the boss i don't get plague cross i don't have to
to do anything I just hit the boss. Oh by the way, no one will mention this, none of you guys on the pull are saving your cooldowns for the ad spawn, right?
No, it's not the most bro. Cause you lose a CDE at use from when we're killing it. Who is holding? The first ad's died.
What the hell is that? The ad's are completely relative.
Hold next to P on beyond that one as well.
The way it's set up is just like...
No no later set it up for here.
Like adds need to die on this fight for sure.
It's going to be a good one.
It's going to be a good one.
It's going to be a good one.
Bro, bro, bro.
I'm holding that up but I also can't send it between so it's like...
It's good, it's good.
Alright, uh...
Is there any check that we do?
This boss is a little RNG but we can uh...
I think as long as you guys are 5 in a line and specifically you're aiming at ones far away from you, I think we'll have better success.
I like success.
I also think realistically everyone's getting better at it.
Is that just the first set?
That means 10, 15, 5, and 9?
Correct.
After that it's just all mechanical.
Which by the way more often than not can actually be gained from the middle to hit them.
It's just more obvious to everyone which one you're going for if you move out to it.
Also, I think I'm gonna calm like when we get bad totems, you know. Like if totems are like, if there's a melee, if there's melee totems, I feel like it might be good to have melee go out on the first set. Actually, like if we know they're never gonna get clean from the middle.
I don't know if that's a bad idea though. Waves here, it doesn't matter. Don't hit the boss.
And buy.
I'm getting soaked soon.
There is one melee one on Perk, but I think you can hit a lot of the Perk ones from the
middle.
If you're, it spells in purple dwarves here, by the way, if you're on Star-ish for this
five in the line, you can hit the ones past Perkville you should aim for this.
Okay, and play front now.
I feel like it's more important to have more people close to the middle of the back of the
room, right?
Yeah, I'm not a fellow like people who are the ones who are so close to the middle of
the room.
should go mid here and aim far. We need at least two people to go diamonds.
Ready to aim it.
Ready for a red vine?
How the fuck did we do that?
Okay, that was a correction.
Did we do nothing?
Hit for the free AMZ.
Okay, Armageddon soaks here. We have a shitload in the center. Do we have like one shitty melee one at diamond?
Like just take a look at where they are now
Everyone should know where every totem in the room is right now plague for often 10
Okay, plague for often three two one now
Five in the line
I can't think about it.
Do we still have the shitty one in there?
There's a couple like 20 year olds too.
There's one on both of them.
And then all the way over there was on the left.
Okay, are there five exactly left?
No, there's eight.
Okay, play cross is live.
Everyone know where all of them are.
At least two people need to learn.
It's great to be a pop-up as such.
Yeah.
Most of us out there are not faithful Jesus, no one knows.
Are you mad for that?
Just up here.
Okay, this is just nothing we should do.
Nice.
I'm gonna die if you don't spell him.
Nice.
And then we're getting new dispels in 2 seconds here right now.
Plague Froth in 10, everyone, if you don't have a purplup, everyone look at the totems.
Plague Froth in 3, 2, 1, now, 5 in the line, aim at far ones, especially if you're at
then the line mark
there you go, you're gonna hit trying
why did you do that?
red's trying, red's trying
you're going in the line
you just went off the line and you did that
it's the first line
Armageddon so it's you're gonna need two at orange
there's so many of them
we need like two purple, two orange
this one has blue, this one has orange
one person gets blue
and then two purple, two orange game
There should be dates on each side of the game.
Two purple, two orange, and one red.
Hold on.
Okay, you guys.
This is just in top rally on this, but we need to be top.
Just in top rally, but we need to be top.
Okay, going up now.
I'm with him
He does that he's on
Next one is aimed to rally all their kisses
So
Okay, he got some in the same guys you guys healers close in the doors
Someone needs to be standing like that. Yeah, if someone hits at the edge you can get a plate problem three two one
Okay, keep going. Armageddon so it's in 5. New dispells in 30 healers.
One constant. I'm fine with what she has to do though.
Make sure that next linejab gets to us. That ad can't touch the mid, make sure it's
no noxiousy. Good. Okay, playcroft in 10. We need one person
can do perp is one under the losses and one on one person orange two people
purple ish one under us there's one look at the other one on the side of the
boss there oh we got a guy it's good if I don't have the time
yeah yeah you're good hey then everyone get ready for this in five and ten in five
and ten it's the darkest rally everything at the end of game
okay everything in everything in nice and then you cc orange
these two of them don't matter right just five in the world
I got to tell you that the sacks go high, it gets too fluid, probably.
I mean, we just need to dispel more before they invite.
If you dispel, if you hold 2+, for after you invite, it's just like so hard to recover the HP.
Because, I'm sorry, this train happening.
Well, I'm the first person.
After the second fraught, we just need to group up as fast as possible,
and get at least 3 of the debuffs dispel before they invite.
and then you only have one after
or you chain reaction behind the entire fight
okay
really good uh
play process, but here's what I was talking about on the ERG1
because I've seen Mephibi will do this
so when you go in the line
everything should be on the correct angle
I mean you guys tell me if this is wrong
but like
At least if you're in the line, you're not gonna hit any of these people
But if someone's lined up here, and then I guess trying to move into it after but like the line is like this
Yeah, I mean that you can't have to always have the line so
I think you just need to move forward like you should have just moved into the line like instead of being like offset
Like you should have moved towards that wall
Cause you can just move towards that wall
No couldn't you, let me draw the trigger
Let me hope that I can get the angle right
If you're still in line it's hitting them right?
If you move directly forward
and you're then in the line right?
Yeah
That's what I'm talking about
That can crazy shit bro
I think on heroic it shot like on the floor
yeah
yeah
I would mess with them
doesn't sound like that
with ult or you can do it without him
yeah
should have wades
there was a set of totems there that I have literally no clue how it was solved
that wades played them
yeah
yeah
pretty cool check
here's a cur one check
yeah
I don't fucking care.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
No fucking way.
I gotta fix the full timer.
Shit man, it's so bad.
Yeah, I don't even think we can do this.
Yeah, it's probably big weeks.
Okay, wave's going out.
3, 2, 1.
Now.
In broadcasting.
Okay, Armageddon, so it's happening now.
Paraphy, scan for me here.
Ooh, that's actually really good.
Whoever is the plague cross closest to the center of the room here, make sure you get
the two on Diamond if possible, and the rest of them, we didn't get any shitty spawns.
Keep in mind the orange ones.
Yeah, the plague cross is in five.
If you're on Star-ish, aim towards the diamond ones.
Okay, waves here. Watch the lines, guys.
Waves.
Okay.
Nice. There's just a couple over by
Arch. In the middle as well. So, you guys should put a gate over in your
orange because after the plate cross, we're on the gate under because we need to get under for the game. So, this is the thing we need to work on.
Like, after this next plate for us, we need to get back under the boss to be alive.
live
don't forget the one from the boss play cross coming out now there is some of the
boss here yeah
give you both of those
adaptive get under under get under make sure you just make sure you're in
I'm ready for getting this one.
Okay, I'm by him now.
Yep.
Got the last one.
Okay, are we getting soaps here?
Three, two, one, find a soak.
Okay, uh, diamond is kind of insane here,
but you can definitely line up a bunch of them.
Someone with the circles in the middle has to line up diamonds.
Okay, plaguefroth's in 10.
diamond so the close people know a lot to look for it everyone else get in your regular spots
like three two one plague froth now
delete boss on you scott yeah you can tell that to make sure in the line
lines on boss care yeah watch lines lines lines nice
uh we cleared nothing so
You can get all of these in the base.
There's an unbiased one in the base.
Mostly entrance boss and purple are so spread.
I think base have to be so abided.
Like two people.
Yeah, diamond, two people with diamond.
One try to go entrance maybe.
Are there any to worry about?
Not far.
Can we get back quick?
I might get killed.
It is going to get killed, it is going to get killed.
Deadbabs arms off.
Getting cooldowns.
Alts on the spot.
Okay, and Vibe here.
3HP down.
We're kind of low, but we're nice, good.
That was the 3rd try.
That was a miss file?
Yeah.
Okay, this is Armageddon, so it's coming out.
We have one shitty melee one on purple that we'll have to get with the second set.
Everything else can be hit from middle, I think.
One there, hopefully.
Okay, got it.
Good, Blink.
Hey.
Yes, okay, play cross and ten by the way after these watch watch HP if you have the perps
We've only have it
Okay, so here's a lake prop like for us right now play for us right now and for far ones
Watch what's going on three two one Dutch lines
Okay playable
can someone get the orange one plus one of the ones in the center and then the
other person who seems to get the single in the center and then two people go
diamond the one person needs to get far orange plus cleave one more and then we
go have a couple go diamond plague for us now
it's good if you can talk right on this okay and then waves going off three
two one dodge guys
I
Yeah, I missed that was the one I was
It's like that's really important to find out for two
I don't think the first years were definitely with bad right like anytime we had a lot of stuff
I feel like if there's ever like exactly four bad terms like you should like I don't find up it like two to each
Yeah, like there always is to like on this so you could never hit one unless there's literally five left so one person
needs to
Line themselves up
With this already got the two right for a yard. Yeah, so one person is gonna hit this one
And then that and then one person needed to go here
What actually happened?
I tried to hit the wolf
But yeah, I think you guys just got to take the easy ones, you know, like I feel like I feel like
Number one thing should be like, okay
I have one shitty one that I got to get and you could always get to there's never a scenario where you cannot get to
There's a spot in the room to hit any two ads, right?
You have the line here in the line here
I feel like that's the easy one and it just allows someone to pick this like you being the like
Think of it this way if you see yourself running out and you're the first person out here
You know that you are most likely
Responsible for the farthest ones but the one here that actually lives is this and like if you don't in this scenario
You don't get this one. No one's gonna get no one's gonna hit this unless it's by accident because yeah
If you're getting to you might just want to ping the two you're getting because in that case you already did shoot
Too it was just not the two that Drani was expecting
Yeah, I'm getting like
like, it's rough, yeah, good luck with that.
Easier to ping the one that you want the other person to do if you can communicate that to
them rather than the two you're doing probably.
Yeah, that's all.
Don't early pull.
Dude, I honestly think if we get a bunch of totems that are past diamond or circle
that will not get cleaved from the middle, that sending, not doing five on the one
the first one and sending one melee out is really value one because you know the
middle can't hit them and every all the four people in the middle now all have a
more value line to take you know what I mean because there's there's more to
choose from so like you probably end up getting rid of more of them
Inbind?
Like, I think a melee should go take care of Far Diamond here, personally.
Like one player should go Far Diamond.
And then the other four people go in the middle, but don't try to aim it at Diamond,
David at the rest of them
Diamonds beautiful
But not all three though. You all right. You can only get one
Like cross
Get all three
They would dodge dodge dodge
Getting one out also makes it easier to dodge this one on the boss
who people go orange here who people get like near mid and then oh yeah so that's
pretty there's like six right there's six totems of five people yeah just
pre-spread around them
good dodge dodge dodge dodge good and but I get close now for healing
I think purple should be chill from mid here actually, it's a nice line.
Good, soaks into these, nice new debuffs are coming, and adaptive, we have dispels plus
healing absorbs plague crossing 10 know where everything is get to your regular
spread spot
good play crossing three two one now
good going off now dodge
one person can get the two at diamond one person can get the two at diamond
here easily. One person can get the ones by X.
No, I don't think that there is. And then one person can get mid, one person, is there any orange?
I don't know if he's backing up, he can just one orange. Yeah, one person goes orange, Natty.
Someone, one person gets the ones at X, one under boss, and one at Diamond.
I have to delay this time. One needs to go Diamond here.
Yeah. Get under.
Get under for healing.
Okay, and then we have adaptive infection soon.
This is going to be dispelled, full ceiling absorbs after these soaks, quick to get the
one behind us.
Anyone?
Anyone?
Anyone?
Nice.
plate brotha 10 circle of fire if I need to see other side of the ring puzzle
yeah one melee
present waves
take a three two one dodge
dodge dodge dodge
I think there's one person that can get orange
This is really cool.
Yeah, it's chill.
One person is getting orange.
Get soaps here.
Is there an enter to a chat?
I can only look where I can see.
Someone under the bot.
All right.
Welcome back to the team liquid, the venomous miss.
Rates to world first.
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Dr. Ratnose, Dr. Ratnose, Dr. Ratnose, Dr. Ratnose.
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So he's drew that.
Good afternoon.
As they say in your culture, good morning.
Yes, GMGM gentlemen.
We have some more.
We can call it Vashnik splits.
This is also like for a world third.
We have not killed Vashnik yet.
We're trying to split this boss, so...
Split progression.
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Yeah, let's focus in on this, because this is actually kind of the farthest into the fight that they've gotten.
The white point for them was on the next M5, because they missed the totems.
They actually kind of limped to that point as well.
Of course, the thing that's really been causing them an issue,
We heard them talking about it in that monster energy listening just now was
Making sure that they are a lot more active about getting far totems because they're a lot easier to just randomly accidentally hit if you have someone
Standing on that far purple marker
You might incidentally hit one of the ones that's underneath the boss, but it's very unreasonable to assume
You're gonna hit something far without purposefully aiming for it
they have a line of world markers down the middle of the room and the idea is that the
Shape of the shots is gonna cover a lot of space
naturally with going there as your first set and then on the second cast you
can actually go and surgically clean up whichever are left over with three DPS
players dead this DPS check is going to be rather tight and it still might be
possible I mean the DPS check on this fight is not that crazy but with the
deaths I think it's going to be pretty close this next imbibe is going to
be absolutely brutal and we may have lost a raid CD as well with one of
these players well up to see they've got they've got the important players alive
they've got two warriors they've got two ages hunters cooldowns and she up soon
here all right we're chilling and we didn't have any totems up we would be
permanent if we had totems up yeah last through these oozes that are now buffed
by five times the shadows so they're gonna have a ton of HP healing absorbs
from that shadow debuff are gonna be massive here as well gonna be a lot
of stress on the healers especially at the as they have to start dispelling
those flame dots as well. We're getting through these shadow ads. We might actually just keep
one of those burning noodles as a permacy seed off on the side here.
And both of them are just a permacy seed, yeah.
Yeah, sub 8% here. It looks like we're going to be able to finally get this boss down.
We just have to keep an eye on these debuffs, make sure we don't run over the raid with
the waves.
That's right, yeah. We just got to not lose focus here. The world third in sight for
Team Liquid. If we can just get the last few percent off of this boss, we are
going to have these next couple totems, but they don't even matter. The boss should
dive before the next set of mechanics as long as we can get all these soaks on this cast that should
be the last significant mechanic of the fight here we're gonna have a plague for us but I don't think
we're gonna need it 1% on the boss don't let those uses into the middle a death grip is gonna
prevent that one from getting in there and the boss goes down there it is the world third kill
for team liquid and we've gotten rewarded with our customary piece of tier and some shoulders
a belt? A staff actually, which is terrible. Yeah, the Winged Channeler. Yeah, Mythic
Staff is, you know, obviously everyone has their eyes set on the Ulitech Dagger plus
a crafted offhand, but Mythic Staff is a pretty big crest safe. Yeah, you know, the Dagger
plus crafted offhand strat makes a lot of sense for a lot of players and a lot of guilds,
but you know, in Liquid when you're running these Mythic Splits, being able to get
your hands on that staff instead might allow you to shift priorities around. It
It might allow you to say move a coin to Mythic Coiled Altar instead of this next coming reset.
Looks like the reward for killing the boss is logging out and going to the next split.
That's right.
So that was our third split for the first, that was our fourth split.
But the first three only killed three bosses.
And the third split progressed this boss for a little bit.
And then they swapped in here.
Yep.
Okay, so while, basically we have two splits of four of eight Mythic, correct?
I'm pretty sure this was the third.
No, it's the fourth.
We talked about this with CHD last night.
They did three of three yesterday.
They did three of eight yesterday.
OK.
And then they went into their mythic plus to the night.
So we have two more Vashnik splits, essentially,
and three more full splits, I think, right?
Well, we don't know how many of them are there.
We're assuming, right?
There's going to be some extra splits of Vashnik,
I would assume.
And they might be able to go back and kill Vashnik
and some of those earlier splits as well.
I think that's pretty likely, yeah.
So we'll have to see.
And the loot is, you know, it's not bad.
It's 3 out of 6, right?
So, from Vashnik.
I don't think they unlock any extra lieutenants
from killing Vashnik, unfortunately, though.
Yeah, it's neither Vashnik nor Cizerak unlock lieutenants
because you just jump back down to the Twin Fangs.
So that's a little bit of an unfortunate,
it feels just fortunately rewarding, right?
You got one boss killed,
you got three lieutenants on that first boss.
And then the next two each unlock a lieutenant,
but then you don't get any new ones until you kill,
I think Twin Fangs.
Possibly, yeah.
There's one going to Twin Fangs.
Is there any after Twin Fangs going to Corl Arthur?
Yeah, I think there is one.
Yeah, one between Twin Fangs and Corl Arthur.
There's not one going to Twin Fangs, right?
You've already cleared that whole area.
Yeah, I don't think there is one there.
Who do we know? We're just masters on the deck.
It's funny that it's one of those things where it seems like it doesn't matter,
but it's a lot of BOEs that you can potentially get.
And they're not, of course, always bind on a quip.
If they it's weird of it like if it drops for your armor type
You can't trade it unless you have higher I level in that slot
But if it drops for a different armor type and you loot it you can train it somebody else in your raid
Yeah, very strange rule this time around see cams asking if the kill was 328
No, the timer started when we came back to broadcast. So yeah, I was here till like eight minutes ish
our counter timer a little off, but
Yeah, we're a little bit of time before the the enrage was gonna happen
But we can take a quick look at the replay of that kill while we wait for them to form up the next run here
See how it all went down
All right, we're in and I mean again
We talked about the strategy kind of ad nauseam for the past hour hour and a half or so of the last shift because
They essentially saw a method did something made a lot of sense. Yeah, we'll do that too
We'll just stay in shadow and fire the entire time
But that comes with his own set of problems like we were talking about right
you keep stacking up the boss buff from those shadow and fire altars, makes the abilities
from those altars more dangerous, makes the adds have more HP, so kind of spend a little
more time leaving those down, but really the biggest problem for them was just clearing
totems.
Yeah, because if you miss one totem, you get two sets of froths to kill each totem,
and if you miss a single totem, it is a wipe.
They do spawn all over the room, but another part of the reason why we fight in this
area is if you're trying to fight anywhere near the blood all over on the far side of the room you
get an even wider range of totem spawns so absolute disaster to try and make it happen over there
I'm not surprised that everybody has just figured out a way well the method figured out a way
to do this and everybody is agreed immediately yep that's better that's much better than doing
this any of the intended way yeah it's like for some reason even if you had the boss literally
by the blood altar on the far side of the room some of them could spawn where they're
are standing right right exactly which is like why would you try the catastrophe
like I don't I don't understand what was happening with this boss in theory and
the tough part is they also retested this boss it's multiple times right
retested it but I think this one is gonna go down in the the catastrophic
L column in terms of everybody just absolutely cheesing it as it looks
like we didn't actually quite have the replay there we had a replay of a
little bit of them standing in front of the boss. Not to worry though.
We're seeing that a handful of times more, very likely. That's okay.
That was one of the most sad things that we were seeing here.
But here we are back live to even equally as exciting instead of standing in front of Ashnick.
Standing in Silver Moon City, KSP here on a Devour Demon Hunter.
One of the classes that for me personally, the stocks of this spec has gone a little down for me over the last few months.
Why is that? Is that due to vengeance being pretty popular?
Yeah, so a vengeance has kind of been a little bit of a sleeper pick that's maybe been rising a little bit in possibility
But be it's just like going into this year. I was thinking, okay, you know play a couple of DPS DHS
They're very durable. They do high damage and that's also true
But their specific damage profile seems kind of weak for at least to attack heroic
Hmm seems like they're not they're kind of out shone by several other specs there
Now that might change on mythic mythic often features a pretty different damage profile and asks different things of your specs
You know, they don't really have an opportunity to do the luraseed carrying thing that made their leechy, you know tankiness
So valuable as well
But if none of that changes, I do think that a devourer would be maybe one of the specs
You could shave down and you're just on one demon hunter instead of you know, the multiple of that. Yeah, cool
I think we actually have that replay now of their bash that kill here. So let's take a look at that briefly
I was a little confused right now because I wanted I wanted to trust what I thought and what T.H.G
told me but also wanted to verify so I went and checked and it doesn't according
to radar I know they've only done three kills of each boss, THG said they did three yesterday.
I see maybe he was tricking you. Maybe there's one that's being untracked.
What's what I'm saying? What happens is if you're running this many splits there will be
somebody who always logs but even they might not be the person who's in on every level
split right if you're running 20 players so that could be the culprit as well but yeah my
understanding was that this is the third split that we have just watched down
Vashnik for the first time but it might be the fourth either of how many we don't
know we have until dinner and then after dinner and then we probably want to get
to bed my guess is they probably want to get to bed a little early tonight
because this is the last night of reset one and if possible you'd rather get
some sleep during reset one and more wake time in recent to you never know
there might be some late-night chores they have to take care of that's
So it kind of depends on the individual person if they have some
Some question mark question mark delves to go kills some cracked keystones to do although they can do that
That's true. Although again, you'd rather get up this week. You'd rather get up this week. There's some numerous of poles
I wouldn't mind saying it's still like possible. I guess I mean
I don't think from looking at the numbers numerous is impossible
But I do think it is a harder DPS check than this boss
Yeah, which is crazy
Vashnik drops myth 3 out of 6 loot if the fourth boss in the raid on the dungeon journal and yet
Nimrissa, which is like a lair world boss is
Is harder post nerf post massive nerf theoretical community-based question here?
If it guild clears 8 out of 8 in the venomous abyss, that's what I'm saying kill Nimrissa
Do they win the race to world first? No, that's a good question. I I what I hope happens is
There's a different winner by both metrics
A different guild killed Zulitek first versus kills 9 out of 9 first.
That would make me so happy. We would get a debate for all time about who actually won that tier.
I think it's probably who killed Zulitek first because, you know, if you look at like our leaderboards, for instance, it's all out of 8.
But I also doubt that it'll be a different winner by either metric, so...
This has actually happened one singular time in the race before back in Heimahl, where Paragon killed Epirator Margot first, then went back and killed the Butcher.
Now they killed the butcher before any other guild killed markok anyways, so yeah, they were the winners regardless
It was like it was the closest we've been to that changing who the winner would be
Yeah, that that year was inside the same raid
I feel like it makes a little bit more sense if it's inside the same raid
Versus if it's like a separate raid, but still yeah, I mean you could make the argument that it's all part of the same tier
It's a layer boss. It's still counts a little different. It's mythic flex sizing instead of mythic 20 as well
I thought that quit we did have a few years ago we had the soul hunters boss that was there
was oh yeah like oh this is the optional boss what happens if they don't kill it before
dimensions of course that ended up being nowhere close to relevant yeah and you really wanted
to kill that boss the optional boss that had boots and here yeah sure was it actually
kind of put a finger on the scale there by adding it to the Hall of Fame achievement
I think you needed to kill all the bosses including that one so even though it was sort of optional in the sense of
You could move past it and pull the later bosses in whatever order it was still a required part of getting that achievement
Which also this tier Nimris says not it really was an optional when you look at the loot that it provides
Exactly. Yeah, it was the baseline loot and then the three pairs of boots on for the two pairs of boots on top
And it had work was really as well right for a team 100. Yeah, it was a very lucrative boss to kill extremely good
Yeah, so you kind of had to kill it for the loot
It was also easier than the last one.
You would be forgiven if you've only watched this tier for thinking that the first six bosses didn't drop any relevant items,
but back in the day they actually made good items on bosses that weren't just the last two.
There's a Gebos bag from Turtle Island Explorers when they called. Yeah, that's true.
That is true.
But at the same time, if you are able to split in the risk of this lockout, you do get C-star access, which is pretty big.
That's about the same as a bag of four casters.
Almost. Missed. So again, this is the replay we're watching here.
Right.
This was a kill to be, uh...
Spoilers!
Not a spoiler, but they did almost wipe there.
There was a soak that was covered by three purple swirlies kind of far,
and heroically saved by actually that devourer Demon Hunter that I was
bad-mouthing a few minutes ago, so...
Yeah.
That was one nice thing they do. Shift.
Shift might be the most broken movement button...
Oh, no, it is.
...ever invented, which is crazy, because we're off the back of hover being created,
which was the most broken movement ability up until...
Which was KJC initially, which was stolen from us just to clarify.
Yeah, of course.
Continuous.
Yeah.
You gotta get my stabs when I can.
I gotta get my stabs in when I can.
The devourer was basically stolen.
Literally, yeah.
Devourer stolen.
Havoc was stolen initially.
Lost KJC.
Our classes have actually been here in class, every expansion.
They make new classes off of what Warlock has done.
I won't say Warlock had pulled off a little bit of a heist this year.
I was coming into all those strong classes earlier.
I just want to say Warlock players were complaining about how bad they were.
They look great, and also all three specs are getting buffed next week.
Okay, well, two of three specs getting buffed next week isn't going to change much.
Instruction was like five on the rate.
I think people are still higher on it, and they probably are.
Instruction's probably the rate specs still, yeah.
Yeah, like the last two bosses that we're probably going to crank on.
I think like Lost Explorers and Team Sentinel, they're solid there,
but in the Patrick fights, we're still diabolically terrible.
However...
Oh, no, the war is over.
However...
The war is over.
When Mythic Plus comes around next week, Team Melody's probably going to shred.
Dude, why didn't THD do demo keys pre-buff?
And that's a massive buff landing on demonology tech.
Yeah, demo was already disgusting in keys.
I saw those buffs go out, and I'm like, wait,
this is actually probably going to be like S tier.
I don't think it'll be brought in main comp for high keys
because demo you tell me.
Yeah, it's a flex buff.
Speaking of which, wow, there was a addendum
to the class balance that was posted a little bit ago
that we should maybe take a quick look at.
I don't think it's going to be too relevant
for the race to world first,
but there have been some additional red snow druid buffs
added to this one. Rest of Druid getting a little bit more into the buff page. If you
look at like... Is it the Everbloom or is it something? Here, if you go to the...
This is the most recent one. Yeah, so if you look at it in the news post, this one will
say just the changes. Yeah. Ah. Man, here, we can look at this after the replay is
done. Sure, sure. Perhaps. I can hit the Apple event.
Alright, nice, nice, nice. Is it only Rest of Druid's getting buffs here? Or is
it anything else? Yeah. There's some PvP changes other than that. Rest of Druid's
the only key changes added to the tuning which yeah we'll take a quick look at after we watch the
end of this build so here's that final imbibe inside that amz everybody dropping super low and the
adaptive infection is the other really scary part now because when you keep buffing the same altars
over and over again the the adaptive infections are also getting stronger in addition to all
the adds getting more health too so a huge amount of extra damage for them to chew through here
that's part of why the arcade mage is going absolutely crazy there you can see all those
those arcade missiles, just pumping into those oozes,
the damage done, looking absolutely ridiculous
for that spec.
At this point in the fight though,
they're not gonna hit the next and five,
so they're not too worried about clearing it,
but I'm just trying to not hit the team with their waves.
You'll see Shay leap out here to get far away
from the melee pile, drop those in a safe spot
where nobody will get hit,
and I was pretty much it for them.
It took them a little while to learn totem clears though.
But the thing is it's learned now,
so by the time they get here in other groups,
most of the players will have a good idea
of what it is they need to do with it.
Right, and this is definitely one of the mechanics
where if 15 people know it,
you can carry five people who don't, right?
There are some mechanics where all 20 people
need to be experts at it.
A lot of mythic end bosses are like that.
Not true for totems, right?
As long as most people are good at it,
you can cover almost all the work
and one person could just miss
and it'll probably be fine.
But that was world third kill from Liquid.
Here is the addition to the class tuning
that is coming tomorrow, which is this resto change.
So rejuvenation are getting 15% more healing
And Everbloom, 48% of the Lifebloom final healing was 40,
so a little buff there as well,
a 20% buff to Everbloom healing more than last time.
So yeah, pretty cool there.
Rest of Druid, one of the specs we've seen very little of.
Across the total Mythic Splits
that we've seen from the three of Liquid, Echo and Method.
I believe we've only seen one Rest of Druid
across a total of like 13 runs or something.
So yeah, it's just the one rest of your I think from echo in one of their splits
So I definitely expect that it's already got some changes coming in next week
This is an addition to a bunch of other stuff that's already happening to them
But it was kind of hard to figure out whether that was all buffs or nerfs
Some of it's like some of it was like rebalancing and moving power
Definitely M plus buffs, but I don't know the net change in raid
And it seems like it will now be getting even a little bit more
You can see actually we have a rest of drew as you spoke second extra drew
seen here in the rain. You have some reaction to the additional tuning coming, but also perhaps
this was just always the plan was that this would have the Ardru. As you can see there aren't,
at least unless behind the Shine's frames we've got any other druids hiding,
that might be the mark of the wild. I think it's the only mark of the wild in this particular
split. Yeah, I would assume it's probably a warlock yet there. We're going to hide behind
those frames. Yeah, that's a good question as well as where are you getting your mark from
from this tier.
Right.
Mark of the Wild and Mystic Country, the two big question marks of like, a lot of these
specs suck in different situations, right?
So like, which one are you choosing?
Yeah, Boomkin seems to get might be sort of powerful on certain fights.
Yeah.
Farrell is unfortunately just in a world of its own where it was right on the bench.
Restos interested with the buffs obviously and Guardian's been discussed a lot as well,
but the question is like, I mean, what gets the comp you're looking to bring
also?
Do you have a Farrell debuff this tier?
We do not have the Farrell debuff this tier.
Wait, you don't?
I think it would be good on Cizerac, but I don't think it would be good on
any of these other fights.
What's he playing this?
Is he playing Ellie Sherman?
He's one of our arms warriors.
You say what is he playing because you know who it is.
I don't know who the one Feral Druid player in the top building is.
Literally.
Yeah, he was playing it on Lura and was very unhappy about it.
It was crazy because Feral Druid, we thought it was going to be good going into last
tier.
Then they buffed it.
Then they buffed it again and it was actually still bad after all that.
I think it was not bad for Lura actually.
It was bad on every other fight though.
I think it would be good on scissor-rack and battle in every other fight
Okay, so catch up here. So we've seen basically three splits currently. This would be split number four
I believe correct. So yeah, so one split has cleared four bosses including Vashnik the other two have cleared up to Vashnik
I believe and this is a fresh split starting at Nexali
You'll have a two sentinel thoughts explorers and Vashnik remaining as well
So a total of I guess technically five bosses remaining across the four splits
But obviously, you know, that's to be determined with all lands and there's a big question mark as well of
Do we try Nimbus?
I'm getting to the bottom of this. I'm... THG's in a mythic bluster right now. I'm DM'd.
I don't know that.
This is important information.
He's in a 10 murder row. It's fine. We can see over here.
He already has Flask too. That's just like his 8th alt looking for Flask.
He doesn't have a lot of alt. He's on THG like 8 right now for anybody.
Wanting to keep track of the THD progress.
Is this mythic split number 5?
Are there any Flaskers in chat by the way?
Last night I got my flask. There are 14 runs.
Mr. Lucy traded it to me.
I walked into Alter of Fang,
because maybe I'll keep my luck and get my vial vial.
First run, open chest vial vial sitting right there.
I'm done. I got them both. I'm done.
You got it. Big W, big W.
There you go.
We're out of our murder road jail.
Yeah, it's always fun to see which dungeons
different people get entombed in each season.
I remember, gosh, what was it in?
It was missed a tyrannocyte jail back in over the beaver
Yeah, the changeling the changeling for a lot of people
THD was in a dungeon for something. I think it was in
Theater pain prison. Yeah Ruby Ruby. Yeah, I think that was Zyra while you were in on some lead generals THD was
HD and wolf is go for yeah back in back in Castle Nathria
It's always weird when some trinkets some past expansions come back and they're sort of mediocre
Like get a coup for example, this patch, I've never been correct.
That is... there's a lot of things that I'm sad about this patch.
The one that is the saddest for me is that get a coup is a bad item this patch, like...
That was an iconic King's Rest drop.
And it's not even like... it's like 20 eye levels behind every other weapon. It's such a shame.
I think at that point, like, just remove it from the loot pool if we can't have that one be good.
You know, when I first met you at the... it was Milotha race.
Yeah, the first time I met him he was at his computer. I walked in he only opened my vault and tell us behind him
Don't ever doubt me again. Well last time he might have lied to you again
discounting
Dratos week one cracks a mythic get it to with gushing wounds on it
I hate you and walked away. This is it was like it was back when you only got one choice for your M plus
And gushing wound was super rare too, right like yeah
Yeah, it was not another bet like I would have liked to Twilight Devastation or Echoing Void, something like that.
I think it was like Gushing Moons, especially week one, week two. It was like, it was low budget so you could fit it in really.
Yeah, you could. One rank, I think, right.
Yeah, and you could also like, you could go into a PvP battleground or arena and the Gushing Moons was super OP there.
Yeah, there was something so satisfying about the initial Twilight Devastation.
Oh yeah, yeah, across the room.
So for those who don't know this, this is the corruption system back in BFA. It was super cool.
You get these items, they'd have these corruption effects on them, and then they have corruption, which was a negative stat.
So like, something with Twilight Devastation 3 would have a very powerful Twilight Devastation 3 effect,
but then it would also have like 40 corruption on it.
And the amount of corruption you have would cause different bad things to happen to you in combat,
including, you know, if you had too much you'd be getting like,
thing from beyond would spawn and it would run at you and if it hit you it would slow you and there'd be a big
Eye spawning on you that would blast you for increasing damage each time it ticks and the more corruption you had the higher
The radius the circle was the greater the magnitude of the slow
And if you were above like 60 corruption you just like took more damage from all sources. It was sick
But the the payoff was so good
Then you had a lost rat where you couldn't die. Yeah, if you died the whole rate
We have it cut off a corruption. You can't go past 29 here or we hate you forever
Not allowed to play too much on some of those fights
But yeah, the Twilight Devastation it would it would spawn just like a laser beam in front of you when it procced
And it would scale damage based on like your max health and your burst
And if you were a tank that thing would just do it would like one shot packs in a plus 15 key
If it procced and you were all in on Twilight Dev
And it would just be this like laser that would just
wind back and forth across the battlefield.
They eventually nerfed it so that after it hit five targets,
it started like losing damage and shrinking,
and after it hit the 10th target, it disappeared.
But for the first like month,
oh my God, that thing was so satisfying.
I would just run in on pull and I'd pop meta or vamp blood
if I was on one of those tanks,
and just hope one proc, because those increased your health.
Yeah. And then if it proc'd,
it would actually full one-shot things.
I have a core memory in Nyalotha
standing behind you while you were doing Shadhar
and one of your splits you're under blood and you're like dude look at all this corruption here
I have I'm like yeah just put it all on yeah, and you're like okay sure and then you have like a hundred and eighty corruption
Global of the pole you prock and I that is the size of the entire
And of course because you have so much corruption it keeps propping things from beyond and more eyes and you die in like 10
Yeah, that was I think Shad are my guild had a tradition
Yeah, all putting on full corruption by the end of that season
You know the other one that season was infinite stars. Oh, yeah, like that was the sim bait one
It was really actually bad in most real-world cases, but the best thing it was good for it
Was this like damage proc that needed to keep rocking on the same target to actually do good damage
And so in anything other than pure single target
You would lose a lot of value because it would prop on extra targets and not be stacking up fully
but on Mott the
Oh God boss of that rain. Yeah, it had a intermission where it reflected magic damage back at you
when you were hitting it and so if you had infinite stars fully stacked on it
you had enough corruption of it you could just one shot yourself with an
infinite frog it was so fun to try and do that. I'm just
tiering into Mott playing infinite stars please watch me I'm gonna die my health
is yoyoing around. Yeah that's what you just said here we go. Here we go. Stars,
frogs, tyrants, gritty. Oh I died. I'll get next week. That was awesome. That
tier was so awesome to farm with all the all the different
corruptions and then of course there were the stacked corruptions which
sound boring but if you liked like masterful and you were a fire mage haste it made you so OP
take me back yeah you had a talent called blaster master back then which whenever you hit your
fire blast it gave you a bunch of flat mastery you could stack it up three times and then that
was also increased by your masterful you could run like 72 percent increased mastery so you would
just have these giant ignites that'd be ticking for 400k and the bracers too right yeah and then
your bracers would reset your fire blast charges oh the memory of lucid dreams would be giving
you have oh yeah you would have to on you shrink it's rolling because of azure's
bond to power and the badge from PvP mm-hmm yep that was a well that was the
initial build and then then we ascended and started using a world vein
resonance resonance did spawned the crystals world vein major I was on for
like two weeks before took off and then I made a video on it I'm not claiming
this like I loved how world being like gave you consistent damage but it was
much more fun playing with like the big blasters like infinite stars or yeah lucid dreams going as
well laser beam was sick too what was that yeah uh oh gosh 45 second laser beam that you could
channel in front of you oh uh the font of font of iris yeah there we go iris that was really good
sick yeah bring back corruption let's go that was that was i think the last time that gearing has
been like super interesting in this game because you could see what was good for corruption and
And some were different in different situations, but that's like all the true of trinkets and various stats and things.
But the thing that was really interesting is you can't say how much corruption you should wear in any context, right?
Like, it'll always say put it all on, but like, what is actually the right answer in any given situation is an open question.
And reasonable people could disagree on it, which was really fun.
It's like, non-mages, you wanted to stay typically below 60, if you were a mage you could go as close to 80 as possible.
80 was when you started taking increased damage from all sources, right?
Oh, yeah, 60 made it so that a thing from beyond hitting you spawned the eye, right?
Yeah, and then 40 was where the eyes started and 20 was where the things started or something maybe the other way
Yeah, yeah
It was a yeah, I keep talking about this because it's another like wow core memory of just
Being in a high-end key pushing group where your tank your healer your rogue game and hunter are all running full
So they are absolute trucks. They shouldn't ever die to anything. Yeah, but then you have this mage
Who's running full masterful has extra corruption. Yeah, nothing is happening
You're single targeting a boss and you look at your mage and their feet set on fire
Yeah, what did you caught to and then go to their POV?
They've got three things from beyond they have no frost frost Nova charges
They either block is on cooldown because they already removed their ID buff with it
It's like dude. You're just playing a completely different. Yeah, but you can't see any of it
I remember, I was playing, I played a little BM Hunter
towards the middle end of that season.
And I remember doing like a high key push to Oldagore
and just like, I had to put on like sub 40 corruption
and 30 of it had to be avoidant
so that I wouldn't die to that last boss
and, you know, all the good specs in my group
were able to have fun.
I was just there like, yeah, I'm in my poverty gear.
Hear me out.
Toldgore returns in S3, but it's revamped
given the current revamped older dungeons.
I think it'd be a banger.
I think Toldegor is the last outstanding BFA dungeon to not return, right?
I think so.
Yeah.
Because we just got Temple of Throne.
Kang's rest.
I would want Toldegor to come back to the Sanguine.
We haven't had Shrine of the Storm either.
Shrine of the Storm would be cool.
Oh, no, keep the thing away.
Don't keep it away.
No, no, no, no.
Shrine was underrated gem.
Uncultured people do not like Shrine of the Storm.
Shrine was cool.
True Mythic plus cultured players loved Shrine of the Storm.
Yeah, because it's so tactical and precise.
You could like cheese things.
But like when I was plugging that no way that was no way like key. Yeah, it was do you remember that?
There was like that bridge with just unkillable mobs that yeah, you would like dance the water on third boss fourth-washing man
Do you remember your azhara staff in that room?
Whereas told to go you frock azhara staff and something from two stories up above you has been aggro
It's gonna drag everything with it. Yeah, that was a JP cannons. Was a JP in the cannons?
Who had like the everyone did the yeah, man. That was just the strap back. Oh my god
Okay, so there was this this weapon called divers folly that you could get oh gosh
The eternal palace and when it procced what it would do is it would start storing your damage that you dealt over the next 15
seconds and then next attack after that would discharge like 5% of that to 3 targets
And what you could do is you could fish for a proc on a cannon and then hop in one of those cannons and shoot
And you would get all of that damage stored into your diver's volley
And so if you propped it right you could get like
30% of the boss's health and stored into a diver's volley and landed on the boss just like start the fight with a huge damage burst
Felt very much like a wad ring thing. There's so much good tech in that dungeon though
like spell reflecting the bridge ad before second boss yeah that was a good
one could kill that very quickly back in the enshrine yeah enshrine yeah and the
the boss the jacuzzi boss I think there's a good reflect there too oh yeah
oh you could just you're probably top damage on that boss yeah there were
several dungeons that expansion where a problem were top damage that was the
expansion before spell reflect showed on details yep and so there was some
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Oh yeah. W Blood Elves. I endorse the Blood Elves. Sure, I actually have zero Blood Elves
characters, but you know, it's fine. They both face my heart.
I remember when I made my first character, it was a Warlock Blood Elve. And when I started
getting into more competitive rating, I had people make fun of me for playing Blood
Elves because it didn't have any damage racial spectrum. All it had was Archangioris.
have the base crit it has now. This is back in the top.
Okay, but it's an old Torrent though, right? With the mass silence? Or is this an older version?
It's an old, old, old one.
Is that not mass silence?
It gave me resources.
No.
For a warlock, it gave you nothing, it gave you mana, which is useless.
Yeah, okay.
So I still have to troll for Turn of Thunder and never look back.
Hmm.
I stopped the void elf when it came out initially.
Remember that thing about void elf, the ratio that was spoiled?
About it being the same as the ring from Arcway?
the damage increase on it?
This is like a weird thing that many people call it.
The ratio was spoiled by Blizzard.
Remember the ring from Arcway?
It increased your damage to a proc by 5% or something?
Yeah.
And the ratio was spoiled in a way where it sounded like it was the exact same thing as the ring.
So it seemed like it was being a really good race.
It went to squab to it.
And then it came out and it wasn't that way at all.
And when people already squabbed to it, all you had was some subpar damage proc
and the little void-off blink that was out there.
I remember you being mad about it on a stream, Zyro.
I remember that.
The Void Elf blink is very good.
It is to be fair.
It's good.
I used to have been on Argus.
I think it was very good on Dimensius even recently.
That was a nice race for that because you also got the Shatter Resistance which was
actually the damage on that fight.
We've also gotten some pretty cool Void Elf tech showing off in the MDI in one of our
workshop seasons.
I believe it was actually the liquid team that used it to go through the wall and
skip a whole bunch of the RP trash before the Machinist garden.
So that was pretty neat.
That works.
Is it long enough distance to do that?
Oh that's sick.
You get to the top of the bridge and you can just run through it.
That's pretty cool actually.
So the next time they bring it back, which will be for like the fourth time, you can keep that in mind.
Yeah.
That's very cool.
Interesting.
Alright, so...
That's for THD.
Turtles.
I'm feeling two Gebo's bags here.
That'll be good.
I'm feeling...
We've actually seen two drop so far at least in two of the runs we've done.
So if you can double that for
massive
I think this boss low key was not as hard. I thought it would be either based on some of the changes they made like
That they changed it so whenever you pop a box it puts a raid wide dot out like after last testing
I concluded on PTR and there's some rumor going around as well that like you can't stack any of the bosses
I think it spawned by THD
The Dungeon Journal changed its wording right but it wasn't a functional change in the behavior
Yeah, we got tricked by this as well, but it's definitely
the same way it kind of was always tested.
As long as you don't have all three of them too close,
you are fine.
But yeah, the bleed is not actually that important.
Even a three stack is taking everybody for like 30k every tick.
It's mostly because you don't have to pop them instantly, right?
You try not to roll more than like a three stack.
But the main thing is the upfront damage of each pop
is pretty sizable.
So the healing check is non-trivial on this.
We do have the bosses getting shielded for a little bit there.
It can be hard to avoid that.
and it can be hard to really min-max and stacking up all the time.
Bigger is the radio.
Yeah, those are big pops at the same time, but everyone's still alive.
Yeah, I mean, you're on a limited time to be able to find the fish in the box as well.
But if you don't, the boss just arranges one of the adds and basically wipes you.
So the pops up pretty quick.
Ooh, that's a bit of a...
Okay, okay.
Network down.
We're chill, we're chill, we're chill.
Did you guys end up getting the stunters?
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
How many holes?
11, we're splitting it as well, but...
Okay.
Yeah, it took a little bit.
We almost killed it on our second pull.
It got to enrage.
at like 2% or something and then found all the different ways you could wipe on the way back to killing it.
Did you Vantas it or no?
No, no, no.
No, okay.
Holdin' on to the Vantas.
Okay, we held Vantas.
I was thinking, let's hold Vantas in case they nerf Nymrissa, which...
Hmm.
You know, you might be forgiven for thinking like, why would they nerf Nymrissa if you haven't watched that box.
Yeah.
It's like so bad that I thought there was still a possibility of a Monday nerf landing,
but I think that'll probably be on the reset.
That would be my guess now, but...
Yeah, now we'll get to pull the trigger on it on maybe in Tomb Sentinel.
I was gonna say, Sentinel is probably harder than that, I assume, right?
Yeah, well, what we're gonna do is go into another split, and then after we've done this in the other split, we'll see what we do with the remainder of our time.
But, getting some in Tomb Sentinel could go kinda crazy, but extra items.
Although for me personally, if we do manage to kill four bosses, my great vaul gets worse.
Because of heroic items being pushed out?
Yeah, like if I can roll the axe from heroic, that would be really nice.
and each vault slot that fit me rather than heroic is making my vault my chances are that worse
I mean realistically like 95% of the time I'm taking a coin anyways but it does get
slightly worse to kill more mythic bosses for me personally
I'm so disappointed in the vault this season like I'm still pumped for it but like
yeah like there's no way you're the hype behind it because you know you're taking
your coin almost every time barring open like a really niche m-plus trinket or like a jam
for that next week for casters or I guess it acts for you right
Yeah, there's a couple of... I don't think there's any items that could show up in my M Blush Rose that I would ever take, which is a shame.
There are only a few items from Raid that I would take. It's like none of the ULTEC items.
It's literally just either of the good items from Coiled Altar because I don't want to coin that boss because it has some landmines.
But it is something where there are really good high rolls from it, so...
Would we take Flask if it showed up? I don't know.
I don't think so.
If you have one out of six, I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know. I think you take...
So, for casters in the dungeon slot, I think the one thing you would take is the weapon from Alter of Fangs.
It's a cantrip like Jamfraze. It actually seems higher than Jamfraze at max myth, unless you get 9 out of 6 Jamfraze.
Which of course you can't get until the tears over anyway.
Exactly, right. It's like pure haste. Besides that, if you have no flask and don't want to be in prison for a week, I would consider flask maybe.
But besides that, probably not.
I mean, you're giving up a ULTEC item on the myth track by skipping your bonus roll right there.
Yeah, as long as you can kill it, but yeah, exactly.
Yeah, if you can't, okay, if you can't kill Lulutek Heroic,
uh, then I think absolutely there, you know, take a flask out of your vault, that sounds like high roll.
Because if you can't kill Lulutek Heroic, you might be bonus rolling, Mythic Plus, if you miss, so yeah.
My advice applies to if you can kill Heroic Lulutek, but you don't even have to kill it this week.
If you can kill it next week, then you should be taking that bonus roll.
Yeah.
Which is another boss that might get tuned as well, so here's the thing.
Sometimes boss tuning for the raid doesn't get posted on the reset, but it gets done on the reset.
But sometimes you won't figure about it until like 5pm on Friday, so I would actually...
If you think you're not going to kill Heroic Gulletech unless they nerf it, I wouldn't take your vault until, you know, at least like 5pm on Friday, on Tuesday, so that you know if they've nerfed it or not.
Because I think they might. I think Heroic Gulletech is definitely a candidate for a nerf.
Yeah, it's a little frustrating to have it come up with a solution for you boss goes down. No bag though. Unfortunately. That's really the main thing
I think we're looking for here
Mmm. Yeah, so we do have a weapon which those can sometimes be good and some are completely useless early
Helm is pretty rough. Unfortunately, even heroic looks like Helm's sim hired myth one, but I mean you win some you lose some it's okay
Hello everyone. Hello, try not to get the game
We're all leaving
I'm having a good time here
It's a weird race because it feels like we're in mythic progression, but at the same time we're
Not yeah, we're on the cusp of it though, but tomorrow brings more hero exploits
Yeah, so like we're really not at a point where we're seeing them throw everything they've got at a boss, right?
I'm like they're trying to do medium hard stuff with underpowered
But all right, come on. You're ripping. Oh, we go for you rip it
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That triggers our um, our roll.
I'm gonna rip this, I'm holding on to it, I got it tight.
I hit my arm off.
That was good though.
It had some feet on it, it's a speed, okay.
What do we got?
Snake hat, jail.
That's you, that's you.
That's me.
That's you, yep, yep.
I'm gonna go into snake costume.
That's, okay maybe it's Zyro.
I can't wear it because my glasses.
Maybe it's all of us. I'm gonna see you spot it. Yeah, but no no no no no no no no no no no
I'll put it up. Come on. You gotta help me tie it on the frog. Don't leave me
Okay, like take the hit. Oh my gosh. Is the headset coming off or staying on? Yeah, just take it off for a sec
Wow there is beautiful
Nicely done
A little bit of a little bit of ASMR
Can you hear us Kalamaz? Is that your ears that he's got it on? Your ears are here. Okay
Frank, I think you don't want the I think you want to take that up and off again
Okay, all right, no it worked it worked. Okay, we have here by the way is this Charles? Yeah, that's Charles
Yeah, Charles. Wow. I can sort of hear myself. Yeah
I
Feel the tongue look on there. It's like felt right it's like an actual snake tongue
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And then like lean down a little bit
Kind of like the liquid logo a little bit, right? It does a little bit. I can't see yeah the side angle. I could see it
Yeah, okay perfect. I mean in the sense that it's like the profile of an animal. Oh, yeah, like my shirt in the snake
Yeah
I did. How long did I wear this for?
You got to wear it for the rest of the day.
How long did you wear your suit for though?
For the rest of the shift.
Okay. Well, hopefully it'll be as lice.
Anyways, they made Duke-Cams do Edward Monster Hands one race.
That's good.
You took two cans of Monster and just duct taped them.
I actually remember that.
There are definitely worse things that we could have done.
That's good.
I miss the spine. I mean at least we dodge the compliment title slice on that on that wheel. That one is a real whammy
You know, I just realized both the green spots are like
Punishment for me that the other green spot in the wheel of chaos is push-up competition, which
Nobody's supposed to you're the only one who wants to do that. That's what I'm saying. Well, I don't want to but I will
I'll do it. I'll lose but I'll do it. You won't lose. You're strong. I've seen you in the gym
You're benching like 640 before you came out here, right?
I mean on a slow day, you know.
Yeah, okay, obviously.
When I'm deloading.
Yeah.
Okay, okay, okay.
I'm proud of you.
I'm proud of you.
I'm proud of you.
I'm proud of you.
Mixing this up, that's kind of messed up.
I mean, yeah.
Is that okay?
Because we're both on the MDI and like top 20 guilds that were the same person.
Yeah.
A little messed up.
Well, we're all the BP5 at heart, so.
That's right.
We're all the BP5.
I know you and Tiddles have been leaving early the past, but well, I left early.
Well...
Kalamazoo left early last night as well.
I did.
Yeah, around like 12.30.
Wow.
I might have been scrolling tick-tock
at four in the morning and bedding in, but it's fine.
Dude, it counts as sleep.
As long as you're in bed, it counts as sleep.
Yeah.
My battery began to be charging when I hit the sheets.
It's like, all right, we're just sort of, yeah.
It's a real high-five all right again.
That's the important thing.
I think we all kind of realized
like this race is a marathon, not a sprint, right?
We got to pace ourselves.
Yeah.
A lot of races you can just go hard every night
and like, OK, we'll be good.
This one?
Look at Boomi, oh my god, hitting the crazy eye rub.
He feels the same way.
Double barreled eye rub as well.
This race is going to be, it has the potential to be a long one.
I don't think it's a very high chance
it'll go to a third reset or whatever,
but I mean, it's definitely a possible thing,
a lot more than it has been any,
I mean, race in sepulcher, right?
Yeah, I tell us when we were talking about this last night
when we were doing one of our recap videos
and we had it at, I have it at 90%
that it dies in the second reset still.
You can't correlate too much, like, oh yeah,
Heroic Ghoul attack was way over tuned or whatever,
Mythic Nimbus is way over tuned.
That doesn't necessarily correlate with Mythic Coiled Altar,
Mythic Ghoul attack being over tuned.
Those are a lot more, I would say,
carefully calibrated, typically.
And also Blizzard is able to live tune those
based off of what's been going on so far,
and they do, typically, over the tiers.
So, you know, there's a chance
that things will go deep into the second
or into the third reset,
but I think it's still much more likely than not
that this can end next week.
You're looking at an ideal world for me tuning-wise.
Cizerak is like a 40 or 50 full boss.
Right.
Not necessarily the hardest boss,
but still a decent DPS jack.
Twin Bangs is kind of a king-to-a-sludge-fist style
encounter where the DPS jack is actually pretty tough.
You can see it.
Yeah.
And then Coiled Altar is like a...
I want Coiled Altar to be hard.
That boss is so fun.
It looks very cool.
mithrax or uh that that level of visual. I'm okay with that with it and ultec both having like
250 300 portals yeah that'll be sick. I think those two need to be very cool in particular.
Wait so how many portals for corral altar? I'd be cool with like 200 for that one.
If you get a 200 pole corral altar and 300 ultec we're here till reset I think at this point.
I think it's very it's very close. It shouldn't take too long next week.
Okay so I mean on Tuesday there'll be hero explets probably not to the point where it's
all night maybe it's like they can get done with their splits on Tuesday and then
yeah Wednesday get to Coil Dalter, Thursday progress it, kill it Friday and reach ULTEK
and then ULTEK you know phase one Saturday phase two Sunday push for the kill on Monday.
What if like Zorak or Twin Fangs ends up being a wall?
Yeah, well then we're in a different world.
Yeah, when's the last time we had a non-end boss week two walled?
That's just out of these sticks?
Well, Hollandris was...
Oh, we had that only one.
Halters did die on week one week two did have like raglan
Snakes from undermines six was a week week one boss. It was all wall
Yeah, but it's really week two
We haven't seen them I'll be I didn't think Vashnik would die this fast
So we have seen half the bosses base with diarrhea and there are some poles and so Zorak
I think it was as well
So do we do pole pole predictions this tier?
I wonder if we could see what those were because I remember submitting a form
But I don't remember what I predicted on everything. I'm curious how it's lined up like I wonder if I put one one one one one
For the first few because different tears were it's been one one one one
Near more palace, they will eat one one one one
150 yeah, the difficulty curve of that deer. I went one one one for first three
Okay, well for fashion it was pretty yeah, yeah, it's a little close. I think method got it in 11. Yeah
Hmm, I think this is the rec was
20 something
Back to me what I predict I definitely
Let's just say there were a certain
Combination of digits that all of my predictions featured except for the first few which would be a six and a seven
I'm not I
No comment. What is the combined pole amount you begin to worry about a third reset?
I think it has to be like over
800 to not 800 to not be possible for them because you think about next week, right?
They're gonna have six days to to work in there depends on whether there are bosses that have faster slow wipes
Right now if there's a boss that you're almost always wiping to enrage for instance
You imagine just literal patchwork where it's like yeah
Oh this is taking us 10 minutes and we're just trying to beat the enrage. Mm-hmm. That's one thing whereas if it's a boss like
Lura where your first 20 pulls all cost you one minute each, right?
Kill Jaden where you're gonna throw 100 pulls at the first minute of the fight
Right those you can accumulate pulls a lot more quickly, so hmm not quite just the pole count
But I think as long as it's around that you know high three-digit count we can still do it next week four digits
Third reset. Yeah, okay
There all right. I think around a few seven hundred
It does depend how long we spend doing splits next week
Like if we can if we need to be gearing up still on Wednesday or Thursday
Then first of all, I think that's maybe very bad for us
But second of all I think that is also very bad for our chances of being done in the second reset
Yeah, but I like the thing about doing so much gearing up this week
Is there just shouldn't be much value in most gearing up next week, right?
Like you just slam 14 her a cool text 14 her a coiled altars and then get into mythic that kind of thing
I mean if you're doing 14 14 split that's over a day. I'm pretty sure just coiled altars and dual attacks
Oh, okay. Just for yeah, I think it's just because I don't think they need a heroic anything else
Maybe you can do the three Gabbo attempts.
Three Gabbo splits or something like that.
Because you aren't splitting Mithic's week.
No, you're splitting Mithic's week.
Well, unless Nimrissa is splitableness, and you're good, for sure.
That wouldn't take that long, I would assume.
No, I don't do that if it gets nerfed.
Would you even do that for one of six Mith items, though?
I mean, Seastone's pretty good.
But it is one of six, which has been a problem, too.
That's tough, actually.
I mean, if you were short on Gabbo's bags, you might split Nimrissa to see if Caster gets Seastone.
I believe C-Stone's the cat or drink it, but Gembo's is everyone, I believe so that could be an angle you take, but yeah, it's a bit of an odd crest hump.
Yo, can I ask a question though? What's up with SimDPS this tier?
Like, my guy's named for like 155k, and then like the rogue in my guild sims for like 220k.
Yeah, rogue?
Well, he's simmin', that's what they're doing.
You know, hey, man, you know, it is what it is.
But then I send my guy a few targets, and that goes up to like 300k, and my two targets literally doubles.
Even though I have only 60%.
Don't look it out, watch it, that's it. Those will be pretty scary.
Weeep.
You get to a point where you're just like, you know what, it's his life, I'm just living it.
Alright.
Who's the snake? That's Charles, he's been on our set a few times this week.
It's me, oh I'm back on camera, that's me.
He inhabits some of our casters.
I'm attacking Jacks, their brain energy.
Is that Chad or is that Atlas in the picture over there? I can't tell.
uh i think this atlas i believe that's atlas very nice saying hey y'all
yeah you can tell it's atlas because he has aura yeah ah yes okay around him
i don't know why jetz has has his teeth out but they're all phenomenal works of art
he does have teeth he does but not in that sense yeah not that few he's got a couple more
Are we going to invite Charles to the next PC5 meeting?
Sure, sure, sure, yeah, sure.
There's a five in the name, but it's not exclusive.
Yeah.
Yeah, it happens to be five of us, but any of the other casters or, you know, caster
snakes, whatever the case may be, are welcome to join.
I mean, Aya always leaves early.
Yeah, but if she were around, she's absolutely welcome.
Yeah, absolutely.
We're going to try to get Atlas and Jett in there.
We're going to try to break them at some point, but...
little mathematical disaster here.
Oh, so this is technically survivable
if you run incredibly far back and drop in the corner.
They're gonna die.
So it looks like it's unfortunately a tank as well,
there's one of them.
And the red soak laying on the other.
Oh, that's so unfortunate.
Yeah.
Womp, womp.
That's probably trouble.
Well, I wonder if they can sack him.
He has a soul stone here possibly.
Maybe he can just get up
and soak on him as well though.
Dead.
Couple of green things exploding.
Four dead, five dead, six dead.
The room is still feeling.
Seven dead.
Definitely worrying now. We do have an ink available from impact. It looks like he's holding it. I think that's a good decision
Yeah, I think this is falling apart at this point
Do you guys know about this boss as well when they go into the intermission if there are different health totals?
They'll just the one that's like that. It doesn't it doesn't go down. It just brings it up. It's like a cobra
Yeah, so it's very important that you actually keep damaging them equally
Otherwise, you are gonna run interesting rage that is part of why this boss seemed so hard
with the Enraged Timer on the first few pulls as they weren't optimizing that but
once you are aware of that it becomes a lot less of a nuclear DPS check and
then once you bring in some more locks and shadow freeze some moonkins those
sorts of specs the boss is absolutely melt it's kind of messed up because we
got I and Chad saying what we haven't invited her to the meetings of the
beefy five you've been invited every single time you just always leave early
And we always leave you a token of
Yeah
You guys are all having sauce packets on there.
You need to feel like you're a part of the group.
You need to have one of the avocado salsa packets on your desk.
Front and center.
Well I heard she got parmesan and red pepper packets from the pizza night.
Oh yeah, let's get them.
That's a breakfast add-on.
You're always welcome to stay.
I mean, Dratos has morning shifts too, but he stays.
That's right, that's because I'm passionate.
Yes, so you're claiming a no-pash.
That's right, that's all that.
passionate the accusation I'm leveling right now yeah do you explain the the
patch passionate yeah that's it I mean it liquid has this as well but it's you
know you got when you got players that are interested in gaming right that are
like excited to raid if you ask them like hey you know how many bosses you
guys want to farm this week they'll be like all right when you ask them like
hey you guys want to just want to do two lures this week they'll be like
yes right and this versus no patches when somebody's like let's just log
out cancel raid oh I meant like your
yield like short shortening optimizing
your vocabulary short words but we do
yes we will like to shorten words but
sometimes people don't know what you
meant right if you say pash it's unclear
what that could mean passion fruit passion
fruit passion you know is it passionate
all different things might be pash so
give us an example you would say like
that's low-pass short for passion so
that you're explaining what it means
which helps make it a useful
abbreviation yeah yeah or like
sometimes you'll just you know
abbreviate things so like for example my order from Taco Bell sometimes I'm going to CGC right yeah, you know that is yeah
Cheesey Gordy Crunch. Exactly. I got it. You know that's silly
Okay, well you can also do there's some meta evolutions as well. You could do long for right you say passionate long for cash
That helps you again explain what the
Oh
abbreviation is
For optimizing every way of life. That's right. Abulary in-rate out-of-rate
monster optimizations. Are you guys up for taking today? You are actually. Yeah I've been
I've been piercing this uh... Blue red. I've got a green head.
Yeah. Take a little drink. Do you want to take a nice uh...synchronized sip? Sure.
Yeah, alright. Down we go. Oh, oh, oh, oh.
Mm-hmm. Oh wow, refreshing.
Crisp. Mine was a little warm.
But still very good. They were delivered. I think this morning
Yeah, it was not even this morning. It was this afternoon. We got like a hundred crates of monster in the delayed shipment finally found
Yo, we got John monster in the chat. Whoa, was that sound?
That was a crisp insular
Come on. How does it feel to permanently lost any chance of ever getting a monster sponsorship on the contrary?
I very sponsored me directly and they sent me to my house. That's what I've raised
Wow
I'm okay. I asked for three cases of bad apple and I got three cases of bad apple. Wow
I am hoarding the bad apple next delivery John monster. These are all phenomenal
He's making a little bad apple. I'd be an even better mood, but it
What flavors is like green apple or it's it's like a jolly rancher like a green apple jolly rancher with the apple juice
It's so good. It is so good. That sounds like so sweet
I know I know. What did you get there on it? I got the mean bean. Oh, that's a good one too
It's the uh, what what's happening? We're giving Charles some bling. Yeah. Oh, let's go Charles
Oh necklace. Oh, is it a choker or a necklace? What do you have here?
A little choker for Charles
Yeah, he's like getting constricted right there. He's
Well, you know the shoes on the other foot or the the choker from the other neck
Okay, okay. Okay. Okay. There we go. Hmm. I got the mean beam. It's the monster job of the vanilla flavor
I think you're just a
I've gotten over the course of my life now exclusively monster zero
Ultras from those shipments.
It's been so nice.
And you actually go through them too.
Yeah, that's the problem is like once they're in my fridge,
they start getting consumed at an alarming rate.
It's a it's tough.
I think you've cut back a bit on monsters just race compared to previous ones.
I try to pace myself so that I can keep it as a as an option
for when things get crazy in the final days of the race.
Yeah, I pace myself as well.
The thing is, like, they send us so much of it that I just have I know
cases of monsters stacked up in my office
that I'm probably never going to get through, because they keep sending me more.
I'd be just suffering from success, I guess, what do you do?
Well, you know, always eternally grateful to John Larker, though.
We are indeed.
Yeah, it's not a problem at all.
Yeah, I don't know, but steak is too lobster-y.
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
That's exactly.
Well, we're also eternally grateful to Raybots.
Speaking of Raybots, our friends at Raybots pledged to match our donations up to
$7500 this race.
We've reached that milestone.
So, as a thank you to Raybots, we're going to play Guess That Sim!
Now, the rules are simple, we'll see a sim with very little info.
Okay, we have to guess that sim.
Alright.
Or really guess the DPS.
All characters submitted a sim, and that's what we'll be guessing on.
Guess that sim, so we're guessing their DPS in a prism.
Yep, whoever gets the closest wins.
Alright.
Lock it.
Alright, so what do we got?
Alright, deadnose, oh well, okay.
Hmm, I wonder what this sim says.
That knows. This is a...
Why is he up here getting his stem?
That's a 10 boss target stem.
I'm okay with about...
Uhhhhhh...
I hope I remember.
I know blood does a lot of damage.
What do you think of my number?
Ooh, and I like that. I like that one.
What do you got? I'm not changing mine.
If that's what it is, I'm not too far off.
Oh yeah, go ahead and delete that, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, I'm ready.
All right.
Ready?
Here we go.
Yes.
Is it reveal?
Oh, okay.
One, six, seven, six, seven, six.
Okay.
I've got 670K.
And I put 743K.
I can't remember it being 743, but it would be very funny if I'm wrong.
I don't remember it that clearly.
Oh, wait, I thought it was one, but, okay, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
Hiding that it out loud the ten boss targets for me. I can't see you. I am scammed. I have been scammed again
What do we got show it?
717, okay. Oh, yeah, you're closer by the room. It's what I said, what do you mean?
embarrassing to miss that one. I know oh my gosh one for me now. I hope they don't do your guys and submitted ones
Okay
Cheating that's actually a huge number for it. It actually is
This is a very cheaters it's coming out of CDs. Yeah, but still it's about okay. Okay. All right. Oh, we got spray tan
This is eyes on holy dick. Oh, yes
Now spray tan is highest character to 92 just got a Gweed on in a heart
What is her weapon is it thunder fury she trolling us go like
It could be, I don't know actually.
I think we're about this area here, check one out.
Don't show yet.
Why are you looking at the camera, look at your own phone.
You gotta think before you do this.
Why are you looking at the camera?
Look at your board.
I didn't promise to not change mine, hang on, hang on.
I've got this.
I'm gonna go around here anyways.
Alright, I gotta change mine now because they're gonna be like, you know, but
No, I went 134.999.
Is that a Thunderfury you have on?
It is.
Did I catch it catch the Thunderfury?
I literally, I promise you, I did not know.
I just saw the icon.
It is.
It's actually Thunderfury.
That is insane!
I caught that!
Maybe some adjustments.
Pause.
The only reason I caught that is because my rat warlock finished them if you're a year.
You're gonna have it in my bag.
Lots smaller.
I knew the icon.
Lots reveal.
Bang!
Alright, 77,777k.
90k.
95,000.
Ooh, I'm in the middle.
Okay, alright.
Yeah, we got a little Zyrus sandwich here.
Okay.
Ooh.
The big reveal.
How we doing?
What do we get?
What do we get?
7,000!
What?
This is nice.
This is nice.
I mean-
Okay, okay.
Weapon from Classic.
Alright, nice.
What?
Is it that bad?
Yeah, but you're wearing a one eye or like a 20 eye level weapon.
I guess so.
I guess I'm pretty strong as to her weapon damage.
It turns out the weapon is an important part.
And actually, if she's playing on Holy, Thunderfier is a one-hander, so she can't
use those.
Oh, that's true.
Well, okay.
Beast.
Wow, that's a good job.
Good job, good job.
That was a nice, good misdirect.
I initially thought like, oh, it's, you know, five minutes, one target,
this is just going to be a standard one.
Okay.
Yeah.
So who got that point?
We was right.
No, it's, yeah, it was me.
We got a buff on holy.
We're kind of good.
Should we work together?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You guys want to call it a little bit more interesting?
I give us the next one.
All right.
Jet W arms warrior arms warrior one target 10 minutes, one target 10 minutes.
307 307.
I think I have a pretty solid idea of what I'm going to put here.
Do you have four-piece? I think he has four-piece.
Uh, no.
I'm gonna be happy with...
this stuff.
That was alright.
What'd you put, Zyro?
Are we helping or no?
You guys corroborating? Yeah.
Okay, I guess not. Alright.
He's playing it close to the chest.
I feel like you're out of this.
Might have the same number to be honest.
No, I doubt it.
Alright, let's see what we got.
I've got 1099,999.
I put too low.
I put 125, too low.
It's execute path work, do you guys catch that?
There's an execute path.
Oh, I didn't see it, no.
It's probably going to be close.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Mine was 225.
All right, let's see.
225,000.
Look at that, look at that, look at that.
Whoa, OK, OK.
I hope I still, let's see.
Let's see how we're doing.
225.
I'm going to be low.
I didn't see the exit.
I think I'm right.
167.
And, yeah, 189.
Jarvis unveiled numbers.
Wait, he's also...is he Colossus?
Is he supposed to be that?
Oh, he did go Colossus.
Which I think has better execute single target.
Okay.
I think.
782k!
What did he do?
Wait, what did you change your number to?
225.
Oh, so I won?
Yeah, you made Zyra win.
Let's go!
What did he do?
What is the issue here?
How did he get so low?
Is he able to take a weapon?
It might be
It might be the class because shouldn't be that bad of this
I mean, it's time I guess this drink is refined. No, it's not that bad. Yeah, his eye level is 307, huh?
It has to be like a
Maybe the weapon is a one-hander
Could you imagine that I mean maybe well, but he probably
No offhand. Yeah, that's what it is. Okay. Okay. Well, yeah, there won't be an off-hand because somewhere
Yeah, yeah, yeah, wait I'm getting baited by chat
That's a one-handed dagger. Is it a cast or dagger? Apparently that's a dagger. Oh, yeah, the crafted two-hander to me
No, that's too much. Okay. Chat doesn't even know anymore. I see
I don't know. Ask Jet what he did because I don't know a low number. Maybe just the execute APL isn't very good
Yeah, yeah, okay. If you look at the number of execute casts and the number of mortal strike casts, okay?
You can see that the executes not double the mortal strikes which it should be at least double the mortal strikes to be doing optimal damage
So that is that's bad. Hmm. Hmm. Someone who's had says no colossus smash
Yeah, maybe talented out of that to mess with the cost smash damage. Yeah, yeah, that would be that'd be a good way to do this
I'm tricky tricky tricky tricky. Well played. All right, so that's point for for Zyro. Yeah. Hi
Kalamazzy is playing too
Let's do that.
Here's a look at the next one, Kalamazie.
Oh, here's your chance.
Do you remember the number?
That's all of our status codes.
I think I do, yeah.
I've actually got a lot of upgrades,
so I can't tell what's what.
I don't see anything weird.
This is just normal, Patrick.
Five minutes, one car.
It could be a little tricky, though.
A little tricky.
I'll call her test, bro.
I'm going to say you're around this number.
Yeah, I'm going to guess twice your actual parse
number right that's a good way that's a good one you can probably your sim is
probably quite a bit higher okay I think I might remember but I don't even know
actually hmm okay I'm gonna go a little higher I'm gonna I'm gonna change what
you put my down I got my am locked in because I'm locked oh these are an
eraser on the back that's better than my crossing out of all these guys
Okay, all right
150 152 is what I put
150 and what address put 139. Oh, it's a little low. I can taste a little low. It's a little low
I sure
I just discovered you get a raise. I'll put bigger next time
Oh, wow, right, I thought I was actually lower than that by a bit. Okay. All right
Point to Cal or Cal much older high straight. Yeah. Hmm. That's a older sim because like yeah, I got flash recently
It's older sim few days ago. All right. No, I don't worry. I'll write a big number this time. It'll be very visible
Okay, okay. It's next one
Yeah, because oh here it is Sam's mage
five minutes one target I level 292 Sunfury arcane
Yeah, I didn't look correctly.
You see that flask he has on? He stole that from me in the key I carried him in day one of the patch.
That is rude.
Yeah, he's playing his character anymore.
Very rude.
He already quit.
Now Arcane, is something tricky here, right? Five minutes, one target, patchwork.
Hmm.
I don't know actually. What do you put here, Chad? I have more on my shirt.
What do you put here?
Chad, what do you put here?
89k, yeah. I don't think Chateau's either at this point. Let's go!
I don't think he has any tier.
I don't think so. He was saying he wanted tier set. He's too high a tier level.
Oh, he's at 292. Get a level.
There you go, there you go, there you go. I think I got it.
Okay, I gotta redo my whole thing. Sorry.
We're on limited time here, is Iroh.
We're really not.
Yeah, they're doing mythic splits.
You got nowhere else to be right now, buddy.
Take your time.
OK, OK, OK.
I'm ready.
OK, I'm ready.
Hold on.
129.
0, 0, 0.
136767.67.
OK, OK, OK.
I also have 129.
Really?
OK.
There it is.
Ooh.
Kalamazoo, we're either getting half point or zero.
Let's see it.
Us two.
One of us has to go up, and one of us has to go down.
Oh, okay.
I'll take the down.
So we're both very close.
I'll take the down.
Well, I mean, sure, I'll go up.
It's fine.
Okay.
Show us the number.
What do we got?
Yeah!
No!
I think you lower that thought.
Well, I know our king sims low,
but I didn't think you would sim that low.
Interesting.
Actually, before you get a new four piece.
New four piece is a huge buff for them,
even after the nerf to it.
I was robbed.
I was robbed.
Yeah, just, yeah, just tacked fast.
I guess so.
Got to seize the day.
I would actually guess low.
That's fine, it's fine, it's fine.
Me too, but I figured it out.
Yeah.
All right, Jarvis next character.
Oh, gosh.
GTV Teddles.
Dungeon about 45 minutes.
Well, this is Teddles.
How many times do they come from dying in the run?
Is he wearing his tearset as well on this ride?
I couldn't tell you.
He's got a fang.
301.
I'm going to go, that's terrible by the way, it's not great, it's not bad in Mplus when
I understand actually.
I'm going to go with like something like this, I think this is pretty reasonable, I'm thinking
for people who don't know what a dungeon route is, it kind of simulates, yeah, it tries
to send an Mplus key, it'll do like a five target pull, yeah, it'll do a little bit
Everything lost for three minutes into another like a target pull for two minutes. It kind of goes through a random thing. Okay
You're ready. Hang on. Hang on. Let me
In between your single target and your a oe sense. Yeah
Okay, I'm ready. Okay three all right two
unveil
I had two thirty five one low on the oh
I have lower than either of you. Where are you? Okay? I have
have 167. Okay, that's accounting for deaths, obviously. Yeah, I mean, this is, I've seen
in the dungeon, so I may be underestimated here. It's 190. Okay. What? That's me, right?
That's you. Oh my God. Dude, what? All right, bang. What are you? Dude. The Sim guy.
There's no show. Last one. But the last one counts for what, three points? Last one
counts for 50 points. Yeah, I've heard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that kind of unfair,
it's gonna be it counts for as many points as cow this counts for 67 points
all right guys I already preloaded my number by the way let's see it
sire on hmm wow I think I remember what the number is great that would go
crazy man after my own heart of 40 seconds 10 targets yeah love that I'm
gonna be honest you're on the same brain cells up here all right hang on
writing my number all right and hang on hang on I'm making nice block letters he
did okay ready ready ready three two one point one mil it's a little over one
mil close to one point I put six five you could be closer than okay all right
I put one zero seven eight thousand you got six five K you might be closer than
All right, I'm not kids. Let's see it. Let's see what we're doing one point one mil plays you have one zero
A lot, but it is 40 seconds. I could be off
Try this is blood decasem for seven seven yeah, my blood
Sure, it was getting close to a mill
You're in your char how down plus that as well, but it'd be a really good pump fake if char how down plus was the name of a bad town
The points there are like wins. Wow ding ding ding ding ding ding. Wow. Good game. Good job, Mr. X. Good job.
Wouldn't be the first time I stole a game show from Dantnos by uh, yeah
Little technicality the best way to win. Oh in the winter
I got a crisp monster. Oh my goodness. Give us a crack
All right, I already have my open monster, but yeah, sure. Why not? Why not another chapter? Yeah, let's hear it
Here we go
Ooh, ooh, maybe a little inaugural sip.
Wow, that was good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was good.
Nice, nice.
This is the strawberry lemonade, by the way.
I haven't had that one yet.
I should try it.
No, I don't know.
No.
I brushed my teeth a couple days.
No, I'm good.
He's banking toothbrushes or toothbrushes.
He's banking on swale.
I don't know what to say.
That's disgusting.
Oh my gosh.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, well thank you for watching.
That was the Raid Bots.
It was.
Sim competition.
Yeah, Raid Bots can't sim competition
crab against it.
That's right, that's it.
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Yes, that's Sim.
Ta-da!
At least we only had seven sims.
Which cast your slack?
Yeah, hang on.
It must have been Atlas, right?
Yeah.
Unbelievable.
That guy.
Do you know what interesting thing is?
Atlas this tier has formed a new guild in the radar IO description of that guild. It is 12 hours
No overtime
Do you want to guess whether their raid days include monday?
No, I don't
And do you want to guess what he's doing right now in the cast of monday? Are they raiding? They're raiding
I I saw that guild form. They're like, uh, buggy bro. Everyone there is phenomenal and all friends
But I said there is no chance. They say three days a week. No chance
It is the tale of the oldest time itself
There are a lot of writers in that guild that are extremely full of passion. They wiped it. Yeah
I get like a 1% last night at the end of the raid night. Oh, okay
We have an ultra quick bonus round for no points. This is Atlas and Sim. I think
I'm gonna be smart blood blood DK. Oh, it's East mode. Okay. No, no, this is beast mode. Okay. That's the the German
Yeah, the German. Oh
Understand, okay. Got it got it. I see
The blood decay? I'm gonna say 78k.
I'm gonna say 110.
I'm gonna say 90.
Oh my god, it's 78k! Wow!
I actually drew a picture while we were doing this.
I wanted you to guess what creature it was.
Do we have to guess before we see or after?
After. I thought you drew a dog.
Congrats, Kalamazoo for no points.
Alright, show us the picture and show the camera the picture as well.
lizard it's a lizard dog might be a gator i don't know if we can enhance but i mean
there we go what do we think what do we think i think this is the uh the trash
mob the alligator dog and after you kill uh after you kill
in tube sentinels that's my guess final answer okay
zyra what kind of dog is this no it's a dog it's a dog yeah a dog is that a
char-hound it is look at the talons to clarify those
Those are kneecaps right there, kneecaps, a spiky tail, and back armor.
Wow.
And teeth.
Oh yeah.
Yes, this is me trying my best.
There we go.
Thank you, Raider!
Oh, we've...
Phenomenal.
All right, well, it looks like while we've been doing that exciting content, you haven't
missed any exciting content here as they've been wiping to the Intune Sentinels in this
split.
thing when you run mythic splits you are running as many as you can do you are
not running as many as you can do easily or funly yeah problem with splits is
anytime you feel like oh yeah this is a breeze that means you're running too few
splits yeah so they're probably gonna struggle in one or two of these splits we
saw them not having the greatest time with fashion it but again the learning
curve has already been done so if they do end up doing that boss and more
groups and this actually should be a little bit of an easier vashnik comp
because they have two blood decays, which means they'll be able to very easily control the uses.
Now that's not the hard part of that fight, but it is a part that is nice to trivialize.
Yeah.
I'm really interested to see how this race ends up shaping up, because we have all of the guilds kind of doing similar things,
but also doing dissimilar things at the same time.
They're all doing the myth exploits, but Echo has notably decided to do all of their splits at 2 of 8,
and they haven't even attempted in Tomb Sentinels in any of their splits really yet.
Of course, Liquid has been doing three of its, and they're split. This is split number five according to KXG if you can be trusted.
And this will be their fifth and two sentinels kill. Right. They might go to the Bastion account afterwards.
They might do another myth exploit. We're not quite sure yet. And of course, you didn't see Method go for that very early Bastion at CoA, one of their splits.
I'm not quite sure what their split situation is yet. I've heard that they didn't even finish their hero splits.
They do do as many ULTECs as Liquid or Echo. I think I heard it was like three less than us, and
And probably even more or less than Ekko, I'm not sure how many Ekko ended up doing,
but they may have been able to do a little bit more than us.
I think it's actually really cool seeing them do that.
Like just saying, hey, we've had a chance like a world first here, why not?
Just go ahead and get it.
That's pretty sick.
Yeah, I think, you know, anytime you have kind of a couple of interesting options,
Yeah, go for it.
Choose something different than Liquid and Ekko do, and maybe it's the better play,
right?
It works out because trying to do the same thing as Liquid and Ekko is a very
It's very hard to win a race to the world first by, you know, doing the exact same thing
as Liquid and Echo, because that means you have to do it better than them.
Very few people.
You know who we need back.
I'm just thinking about it.
The community needs them bad right now.
We need the overtime police back.
And they're probably who ran that account actually.
But yeah, I never knew either.
I think you do know what he's gonna say.
No, I genuinely don't.
That sounds like a frog pit, but he has said multiple times that's not them.
He's also said that he's not Azeroth Wage.
I'm not sure I still believe him in that one.
That's one of my favorite Twitter accounts ever.
Is it active now still?
No.
Haven't seen it in a while for a while now.
No, no they're not.
We had the overtime police used to, they used to like report when somebody was going
over their raid hours.
I'm being told James Marcus from InterSinctum ran overtime police.
The magic is kind of gone now.
Yeah.
It's like living who Banksy is.
I don't know who that is in the first place.
It's similar how it's how it would be.
Okay.
Hmm.
We have a frog, if it's in a boat, frog stare.
That's good.
That's good.
It's really good.
So this is indeed split number five.
That means we have four remaining Vashniks, and is that actually it?
And then we have many additional splits.
Yeah, if there are more, whatever, right, sure.
We just have Vashniks on the table.
Interesting.
None of these splits have failed to do Intune Sentinels or Lost Explorers.
This is one of the more time-intensive Lost Explorers, Intune Sentinels, splits we've seen,
but I think this is to be expected for a boss of this difficulty.
You know, it's not the world's hardest boss, but for week one characters, right?
Like, look at each character in this raid. Each one has probably received an average of like
five hours of gearing or something, so far this recent. That is not a lot of power.
It's been very efficiently used five hours, but they've had to divide their time among so many characters that none of these characters individually or that's wrong
Right, they've used the highest
throughput increases of the you know mythic crafts when they can or the heroic crafts when they can't those sorts of things to make these characters better
But they are still rather weak in the scheme of things. Yeah
I guess overall if it is indeed like let's say this is the last one I do
We're not sure right they actually hypothetically could come together into like more of a half
You know mythic Nymrissa? Yeah, Nymrissa has power there. They have no restrictions on. Right. You're not limited to like, you know, 4, I mean 16 helpers.
And you're never saved, right? So you can do whatever combination of characters you want to that boss. You can even, I don't know, but I think you can do the thing where you play the same OP main in all of your runs.
You've got a little bit less loot. You know, it's a little bit less time efficient. But we saw in Heroic Ullatech that that can be a powerful way to get over the finish line.
finish line if you have somebody who's like you know I'd say warlock's crazy for
that fight and just THC has like one warlock that's ten I levels over the
other ones you can just have him carry every run at the cost of you know 20
percent of an item yeah you're like a 20 man raid and then have like yeah your
five past characters that just carry everyone boomkins or shadow priests
things that can kill everything else in the room for you unlike sport father you
can't coin that multiple times because we don't want to weekend yeah that's the
I think once we got points, we'll be able to.
Or would you want to have a six-mithic here?
Yeah, that's probably not.
Well, I think when you're pointed, it'll be six to six.
Well, that's true, actually, yeah, because it's a mythic boss.
But it still has some, it has some, like, minor landmines.
It's got, yeah, it's like a shield and, yeah, some other off pieces.
The Trinket is nice, but you'd rather just get it awarded to you
and use crests on it than waste a bonus roll.
It's quite unfortunate.
Trinkets, this tier are pretty rough for casters.
Oh, mainly too.
Oh, is that the case as well?
Yeah, for me, I have two good trinkets, the one from Coil Alter, the one from Mule Tech, and the rest of Paul Sack.
That's unfortunate, because Alter is like landmine hell.
There's so many landmines in that boss.
If there was any Monday patch notes tuning, it would be trinket tuning, because what's the deal with trinkets this tier?
And the thing is directionally, they've already moved every trinket in a good direction, right?
They buffed all the bad ones, they nerfed the good ones, some of them, they nerfed Gebos by 30%,
and yet still it is a dire balance situation for Trinkets.
Also the numbers of Trinkets are so bad.
Yeah.
I think it's super cool when they Trinkets define a tier as well.
Like Balloros from Fyrek, that was so cool.
That was fun.
You know, everyone is popping their Balloros at M+,
the whole group's taking damage, the package is getting nuked, super cool.
Bosses lose raw percents on pole.
That was so sick, man.
Bring it back to those times.
Yeah, when there are some super iconic Trinkets that you really notice,
you know, having on your character, because, yeah, this tier it's all kind of little parocks or little stats.
Yeah, but there's stuff like...
There are a couple of on uses that are interesting, but they mostly seem fairly low, but some of them might be very good on Ula-Tak, right?
The fawns, the Hexalord's steaming idol, those sorts of trinkets are going to over-bore their sims in the real world in a lot of those cases.
I would even prefer just having regular stat sticks.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's like, give us a couple of stat sticks as an option as well, and then, you know,
Rather than using a boring trinket that is under-tuned, we could at least use a boring trinket that, you know, we can see a nice percent upgrade when we equip.
Yeah, I'm sure. I'm down for that.
Yeah. Yeah, it's not high on my list of gripes this tier, but that's because that list has gotten populated by quite a lot in a pretty short time here.
Okay, we have another distraction coming in a couple days, right now.
Ooh. I do. I don't know if you'll be partaking early.
What's the distraction?
my tactics. Ooh, yeah, a little TFT set.
Might come in Wednesday morning and play a few games.
I'm not going to do that, but I'm not going to do that.
I don't know if you were a TFT official in auto.
Yeah, I played a couple of the sets a lot,
and then a lot of the sets a little.
What is TFT?
It's an auto-battler.
So yeah, have you played a heartsome battle?
No, I haven't.
OK, so you basically recruit a bunch of you.
Have you done Magic the Addering drafts?
Yeah, a bunch, yeah.
So it's sort of similar to that in that you're kind of like constantly drafting a team.
But you're drafting from a shared pool.
So if I take, you know, a bunch of Caitlyn's out of the pool, you're not going to be able to get any.
Or even a fewer of them to grab.
Okay.
And then there's units cost different amounts.
And you're building up a team.
If you can collect multiples of a unit, you'll get a more powerful version of it.
And they all have these different traits that synergize with each other.
So much like in Magic how you might want to make like a red black deck or whatever in team fight tactics
If you've left a bunch of enforcers they'll all activated red black. How little you know about current standard
Burn is actually bad right now. No shot
It was divided by three cards and they banned two and now it's just the same thing with not a big storm
Storm was on the modern base, but sort of it's a spot. It's like Ruby amulet storm right now, but it's sort of mid
That makes sense, okay. I haven't played it before but I've seen it and it looks interesting to me, I might take a look at it.
What do you think about the new pin and deck?
That's Rift Bound?
That's Rift Bound.
Oh, I don't know.
I heard the game was taking off a lot too, actually.
Yeah.
It was very cool.
Barcelona recently, they were packed there.
Yeah, I heard the temperature problems that they had were not great in that whole, I've seen some stories.
Yeah, Rift Bound's a game I'd like to get into, but the fact that you can't play it on your computer is like...
There are some.
Yeah, but like, there's not just no official client I can play.
I'm over it.
One of my ex-raders who actually quit playing WoW to play Riftbound competitively.
He was part of the Challengers TCB team.
He just got picked up by another organization.
That's cool, W, yeah.
Yeah, it's cool.
Some of my old Magic friends have gotten very into Riftbound.
A lot of them I have, too.
Yeah, they play Magic casually still, but the competitive edge is not there as much.
I guess not higher than it is, but between pro-tour and casual local play, it's not existing anymore.
I see, yeah.
That's cool though.
Maybe we should look into it.
I'll watch you play when I come back.
I'm talking about Ross, but yeah, Prismaticism is a really good player as well.
Yeah, a little TFT.
It's cool.
As well?
Yeah.
Yeah, game's cool.
I would say the biggest problem that does have is approachability.
It's very hard to know what's going on until you know what's going on, and
And that process takes a lot of time to kind of understand the basics, but if you're curious
and you're willing to throw like some brain power at it to try and figure out, it's very
fun.
Mr. Corey Burkharton, chat.
Yeah, I heard about that.
There was a riff bound qualifier like in Minnesota and it had like a, I think a modern side
event that had like 18 players or something in it for magic like riff bound to stomp it.
Wow.
Yeah.
I want to check it out.
That looks pretty good.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
Modern, modern is a fun format.
I've played a little bit of that.
Yeah, I stopped when the ring was around and they banned it and I never came back
But I had some points when it comes to magic like I constructed just isn't my thing anymore
I'll do drafts with turns. That's kind of all yeah, I love drafts. It's really all I want to do
Limited it's a fun format depends on the set though. Yeah, I've always been there. Oh all has been partial to limited
Just fun to have something be a little bit. Yeah, it is it is it is
Ember and Commander was EDH back in the day when it first began playing that like locally.
I lived in Florida. They started like in Port St. Lucie area, I believe. It was so fun.
And now I have these Commander bases like it's just cool. I want to play something a little more competitive in a sense, but
I don't know. It's too confusing to me at this point.
One adaptation I've liked from the way they've been doing these Intune Sentinels splits, not to interrupt our after-podcast too much
is they've actually been leaving like a little space in these red puddles
and then the tank when the debuff is expiring is going and dropping in there.
The way that this mechanic works is it has that code where if you drop a puddle in another puddle,
it will spread and move to be really annoying, but if there's even a tiny little free space,
if you drop the center of that massive tank circle in there, it will not move, right?
It's like fire, right? It's similar to fire, yeah, but it doesn't have this code where it's like
the total surface area needs to be equal to the certain amount. It's just the midpoint of
the circle has to be in an empty space. Interesting. Okay. Yeah. Does that work for the mis-paired
addition mechanic? I think it does. Yeah, although, you know, it's obviously a bit of a catastrophe
if you end up getting any of those. Right. In theory, you could do that. There as well, but
of course you're never planning to get any of those math mishaps. Well, sometimes it happens,
you know. They don't teach at the Florida. The curriculum is more faced around with,
you know, other things. So we're getting there. We're making strides though. Alligator
Yeah, yeah drawing. You know, I'm a great artist if you saw a moment ago. I did I can't see that. Yeah
Mm-hmm. I do my best and that's all it counts, right?
I don't know if you saw but you know one of our competitors that come that are also doing their own live event over
Over then they're venue over in Europe. They have a little a little like magic
Yeah, sort of sponsored segment over there as well as a little jealous when I saw that. Oh, did they like the gathering?
Yeah, yeah, like their venue is uh, I'd also heard, you know hanging out for that kind of stuff, right?
Yep, that's cool. We need to get our own Magisklet. We need to do like a Caster Cube or something.
Somebody brought some cards a couple of races ago. Yeah, that was cool.
I was going to bring a Commander deck this race, but there's no time to play Commander as well.
Yeah, I think you brought a box with him and we were going to...
It was like if we had time we could do a draft.
I have like an old cube that I could just bring. That's mostly proxy, but it's actually like Power 9 and everything.
I could bring that to like Lizcon. That'd be cool.
Yeah, that'd be cool.
You know, yeah, maybe I'll dig it up in my closet and bring it
Yeah, I think one of the biggest misconceptions as and teams that was gonna fall here momentarily as well
I think people think the race is like one big vacation. It's super fun. I love coming here
But man, like you are working all the time like it's constant work
Almost everybody here is if you're raiding and casting you have no time for anything else
Yeah, if there are casters that are raiding that have a little bit more chill and can do a little bit more fun stuff
But for the most part even they are working, you know, I mean you are
You're working yourself for the bone right now. Yeah, I know so you're reading every night
You're casting in the morning every day. I remember when I did that when I was writing an instant dollars back in
The first tier of all to the Incarnate Dragonflight dude. I was like two hours of sleep to every night
My sleep recovery was in the red
It's we're busy. Yeah, we're at these races. That's what I'm saying
I we've all been respecting our sleep a bit more this last week or so like
Maybe I could have been a little earlier and skipped the bell or skipped some pizza tonight.
You know, extra hour might make a difference on day 85 of, you know, cool attack.
But we're here to blizzcon anyways at this point, so yeah.
We might be.
I mean, regardless of all that, still having a thought about this is the most fun.
The most fun events of the year for sure.
Yeah, even a bad race in World First is still better than a good regular day.
Oh yeah.
I mean, dude, we were just vibing and having a 3AM muck bag of pizzas and taco pepola
a few days ago.
Yep.
fun indeed.
I'd be, you know, honestly, I'd be chill with Big Gear till it's gone.
Yeah?
Yeah.
It's getting close to, if we're here a couple more days past our estimated, like, leave day,
I'm probably gonna stay.
That's a long time.
Well, I mean, yeah, but the real, who knows, right, we're not jumping to the conclusions
yet.
I think we're close enough to her, it might be need to be considered a little bit.
Yeah.
Possibly.
Yeah, there are four unkilled bosses.
At least, at least one of which will probably be hard, but probably multiple.
Well, there's also people in the guild right the liquid. Yeah, the MDI team right there boot camping as soon as they're done here
I bet it's like one day off and then lock in and every day that there's still pressing mythic is one less day of the boot camp
Yeah, yeah, so
They probably want this tier to last not as long as we're thinking you might
It's still very hard to tell as well like there are some poles on Cezor
I think from liquid I believe I on the board says I can't see the number
if it's like 80% to believe roughly, give or take.
It's very hard to see.
Is it 60%?
It was 60%.
I believe that, yeah, that's Azorak, I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, that must be, because that's a 100-pole boss.
Yeah, the big question has been,
is there a wall boss like Azorak?
Is that a 80-hundred-pole boss?
How is Twin Fangs, is that a 100-pole boss?
If there's a wall boss, and let's say once again,
cool, all there is 200 poles,
we'll text 300 maybe, the wall boss being 100,
taking a day or a day and a half to kill,
that is the big question mark in,
okay, how far is this gonna run?
So I've pulled scissor hack a little bit, because Michael, we've killed lost explorers, so we were able to get scissor hack and we had to go kill the B.O.E. Lieutenant that way anyways, and then we had like 10 minutes left to raid, so we pulled it for those 10 minutes, and it wasn't like, like we were making it through that first intermission, you know, with the expected set of mistakes, but it doesn't seem like it's got a crazy amount of incoming damage that'll kill you.
It does seem like the tornadoes are very one-shotty and, you know, those will sneak up on you.
So if you were getting hit by those on Heroic, you're going to die to them on Mythic.
But other than that, it seems pretty chill.
Honestly, it seemed kind of more chill than 30-player Heroic.
The problem is I was running some numbers on the DPS check and it's...
That's a question mark, right?
Yeah, you meet quite a bit of... and it's a pure single target.
It does have a burn, but during the burn you are being moved around the platform by the winds,
and so it's going to be tough to deploy your full damage in a lot of cases.
So all that averaging out I think it would be I think like running my numbers
I was thinking it was possible to do it this week if you were ready to throw some time at it
But basically nobody is nobody has decided that's a good use of time because everybody knows
Well, we're just gonna get to next week anyways
And we know next week we'll have way more gear and I think I think with the current tuning of the MAP the health value on it
It will be quite easy for race world first skills to kill it next week
I wouldn't be surprised if it's like a 10-pole affair because much of the difficulty
Would have landed in beating the interage in week one and just nobody is going to try that version of the boss
Yeah, hmm. Were you sitting with Banthas for instance? You kind of were? Yeah, I was I was kind of revenge
Which are a smaller deal this year than they were last year
There's less versatility than last year and of course
It's a smaller percentage of everybody's stat budget than it was last year too
So that's a little bit less a big deal like you know Ballerin was like 5% right with Matthew damage came from Vengeance or something
Right. Hmm. Interesting. I was hoping that boss would be like a wall, but at the same time being twin banks looks to be potentially really challenging cobwebs.
I think in another universe where Ultec Heroic isn't as hard as it was, we would have gotten to see a day and a half of Scissor Act this week, and it would have been sick.
But yeah, I think the second reset of gear is going to trivialize it.
Hmm. Yeah, I just don't see that boss being that difficult. What was the DPS calculation we could not do?
like a hundred fifty hundred eighty maybe and depending on how you're you're
looking at it how many yes you're you're fielding that's I mean it sounds pretty
free if you're looking at your damage and most classes yeah the damage isn't huge
I think it's a 30% damage and and also it's at an awkward timing and also you're
getting blown around the platform yeah technically if you're playing the
wins perfectly you can kind of just stay in the middle the entire time yeah
yeah so you know if they have it optimized they're not gonna lose that
much downtime the only really consideration is your casting your cast get
cancelled by the knockback you know if you're not somebody that's be a DK you're
fine be a rogue be a DK shadow step and just death advance things you're fine a
big deal we've got to move it all which which DK is gonna be doing that the ones
they bring in for over for us to work only I actually don't know like yeah
they're not like great in single target it really depends I mean is that
enough to justify not one of them during the damage amp if they hold for it
I mean listen, you saw Spray 10 Sim earlier. It was 7k.
Yeah, that's true. Yeah.
She might have used that talent build that I gave her for the cancer duels actually as well, but I mean,
that's fair. That's fair.
See someone asking about MDI price pools in the chat.
It's interesting. So we did like group stages, right? It was 30k per group stage.
Yep.
And then the finals were, was it 180?
Yeah, it was something something like that. It was one idea for the finals
I don't remember how much blizzcon is. Blizzcon is 300 split between four teams. Wow
That's a 250 or 300 split between four teams. What are those two? Okay. Yeah, so you get a huge chunk of money like just for qualifying for blizzcon
Hmm, it's all it's all out of money. Yeah, plus, you know
Tickets and flights to blizzcon not bad. Yeah a little hotel the EU players. That's that's why I could amount to quite a sizable chunk of the prizes as well
Then of course AWC is similar pricing as well. Yeah, they put a lot into it. Is that occurring at GlitzCon as well?
Yeah, there's like it's like MDI one day, AWC the other. Oh, that's very cool. Okay, something like that.
That'd be cool.
How much you pumped for GlitzCon? I'm always excited for it, but like with the end of
midnight
Sort of on the horizon that we'll know what happens. We know what happens this tier, right?
I assume we'll hear about like the last patch of midnight.
Probably a good bit about last height and maybe even pass there
Well, we were talking about this a little bit earlier last week, right?
Last height and if they stick to their 18 month schedule last time it's about a year away
They really talk about I mean, I think I think they'll announce last night. I think they'll like not oh, yeah
I feel like they're not gonna have any like in-depth stuff about that. I think they'll I think they'll have more than
I think not quite a lot of last night and stuff like the thing is it's like
Oh, yeah, it's a little bit further out
But they will they will pull ahead a bunch of stuff to showcase like with Shadowlands where they showed off like
Bastion and stuff and it's like that was the only thing that was anywhere close to ready to show off, right?
But you you do a little bit you over polish the first bit and show that off someone in chat mentioned still announced the next remix
Maybe dryness will stream again. Oh, yeah
Yeah, there are several I might I know people are saying shadow lines remix
And I think that's a good idea like shadow lines if you could play it just without any of the covenant restrictions and stuff
And there there's a lot of cool storyline there that was missed
Imagine if they like removed or bows and just smashed the continents together as well
And you could actually like travel around in them as well. Yeah, but I'm
Advocating and I know that this is also like more in-depth than either mop or legion imagine a combined
TBC wad remix where you can like extraction button travel between the timelines every place. Oh, yeah
Like port to the one-on-one spot in the world
Yeah, maybe there's a couple spots that it just that are portals between the two timelines and you're trying to like
stabilize or like, you know
Re-re-weave the timelines back together or something. That'd be cool. Actually. Yeah, because the thing about what is that it?
There's a lot of really cool stuff there. The stuff that is there is really cool
There's not a lot of stuff right sure and the thing about TBC is it's old as heck and there's also you know
Some areas with empty and what are you saying?
There's someone in chat saying something that's a little bit weird. Yeah
What are your thoughts about the fact that to have a chance? I think you mean to say in the MDT
You think you mean MDI you actually also need to be a raider due to loot locked inside the rates
Well, that's just not true because when you qualify for the MDI all of your characters are on a tournament right on the tournament realm
Vendors will have every single piece of loot that you could ever need from the and you don't need to
To qualify for the MDI you go on the tournament realm. Yeah, and then there you got access to full gear
There's a there's been a few season where where like initial qualification comes from live
But recently it's always been you you sign up as a team you do your time trials on the tournament realm
You do your competition on the tournament realm no gear needed. All you need is like an active sub
Yeah, no, it's honestly depending on the level you rate at it can be a buff or a debuff, right?
You know if you're in a guild that is braiding
There depends on the season right because sometimes you're like your raid schedule griefs your MDI
and sometimes
You being done quickly means that then you have a bunch of free time to practice for MDI and also a bunch of great friends
From a really high-end guild so yeah
But you know in the in the past some of the best MDI players have also been high-end Raiders
But we've had we've had some teams that are incredibly powerful that have just been known for being with the plus players most of the Chinese teams as well
The over there the meta is typically just be m plus only for a lot of the high-end m plusers
There are some people that do raid and also do high-end plus
But a lot of the high-end plusers there are exclusively high-end plusers
I mean all the naysayers in chat that are like oh man
I could be as good as these raiders if I spent the time on it go try it through the do the MDI beat them
Yeah, they're happy to shoot. I mean teams that have kind of a shot up out of nowhere miss out
Yeah, I dig Natas. Mm-hmm, and you know they didn't have a race world first players when they started
But you can better believe several of them are now on race world first teams
People have seen how good they are. Yeah, the second people realize. Oh my god
The players on that team are absolutely disgusting. They picked them up very quick
Yeah, Yarkie doing in liquid hearth jackson echo. Yep a bunch of really good players on those teams
Yeah, it's interesting because of the teams that are making it to blizzcon in the MBI
We've got a Chinese team right big lucky who don't have any race world first competitors in there
Although Henry formerly Henry used to be used to be used to be a raider in in liquid back in
Baud my boy broken shown. Yeah broken shown and tattered shown the
mage warrior
Extraordinaire. Yeah, we've also had Supremes. Yeah, excellent writer and a lot of tears as well has been on the top Chinese team
Yeah, but then of the other three teams you've got dignitas players in liquid and echo
Manageria's players in echo and liquid who of course have players in liquid
So it's it's actually funny like dignitas really want the race to be close
Because they have players from both teams so they need both teams to finish around the same time
Yeah, of course manager and liquid it would really like their team to win
buy a lot. If you're curious about the liquid team it's Yipstanking, Bumi Healing, Wolf Disco,
we've gots, or other DPS. Is it a Shynan? Yep, a Shynan is one. And who's our third?
Yeah, the fifth guy. Who's our third? Chat? Yeah, I know, but I'll leave as an exercise
to... You don't know. Tell me right now. Of course I know, but I'm just quizzing
chat. I know, because I watched them all last year. Yeah, me too. It's not Puff,
I was told last night, but I forgot yeah fire up played in MDIs before under the liquid banner
But ever yeah, this particular liquid team he is is a slightly different configuration
Yeah
I knew that obvious. Yeah, you're just testing chap. Yeah. Yeah, it's very important. Thank you channel toes. Yeah
See, I think they are just staying here bootcamping as soon as the race is over
I think they have an air BNB there saying I haven't spoke to anybody but actually we're
trying to sneak into that if I'm saying wasn't there some weird thing that happened this
season where Boomi was unable to play in the cup with Liquid but he is rejoining them
for BlizzCon I believe.
Right.
Right he's rejoining them.
So I guess Sebi's healing for them though.
That would make the most sense to me.
I made it up and stated it as a matter of fact.
Boomi of course able to do any role on any spec you throwed him that guy is
You could tank if you wanted to also
He's one of the one of those players who you just know will always be great at everything
You tanked for my build in the Narbar Palace
Wow
Yeah, he was our second tank of velocity for our first tier together
And then he very quickly realized I do not have time to do all the alls liquid needs and also raid in another guild
But he was ready in both. Oh, you see what?
That's a high-pash. That's exactly what a high-pash player is
Yeah, he's an analyst for Liquid and also, you know, run management velocity.
Is he radian for this tier or is he just 21st manning?
Syro.
Uh, telegon 21st manners, he's actually reading this tier.
He's ready.
Okay, he's always ready, right?
He's always ready, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, he's always been an analyst for Liquid.
Right.
I think Splicar was just first-raised, I think.
What an event to be thrown into, holy shit.
What an event to be thrown into.
I just want to let you know I attack you.
That was me.
broke the pyramid.
Oh.
Toxic.
I will not let the Doro pyramid go through as long as it does.
You're already choosing hatred.
Why?
I've been doing it all day.
He chose hatred this morning when he got up.
OK.
All right.
On the panel before this, I was just
airing out all my grievances against the classes
that have been under-representing their classes
for so long.
Hunters, dooming and glooming coming into the tier,
hating their life for so bad.
Wow, that's crazy.
Hard of Ullecek.
They're topping damage.
That's crazy.
Warlocks.
No, no, no.
That might not even be a Warlock and the Raid comp on the Day Zero, Dratonus, and Tettle's
redaptive.
I sit out on some fights to copy, and there still might not be anything.
Yeah, that is crazy.
That is crazy.
I feel like of a handful of fights, you might not.
If you can somehow get by on Cezor, because out of Warlock, I don't think you can play
a single one.
I don't know where the least points at.
That is probably candidate number one.
If you don't get to work on Cezor, you do not play one there, right?
I feel like it would be useful.
I feel like they were rather good on that one.
That's what I'm saying, but I guess you could use a gig in certain spots.
Yeah, I don't think you use it for the wins. I think you use it
Like when you do the mythic mechanic the first time in each up phase which uh, yeah
Yeah, well, I'm sure we'll get to see some scissor up in the next couple days
So I don't want to spoil how that looks but I'm pretty sure it will be like tank combo
The boss makes the orbs and then you stack for the mythic mechanic and gateway and resolve it on the other side of the room
And that will be the way to the way to play that one
Possibly, yeah, I think I can see it.
Yeah.
Hmm.
What's the other thing I was interested in is the hunters, because hunters have been
definitely OP in some tiers where they thought they weren't going to be.
The way that I knew this tier is I'm working on making the tier list for the raid specs, right?
And usually whenever I post, like, here's what I think, and I try to ask my guild to help me do my work, right?
The hunter player in my guild will be like, no, no, no, you have to move down a tier.
You have to move down two tiers, right?
We're C-series at best.
year at best. This time around I had MM and A and he was like, okay, move it a little bit
to the right within A tier. That's how I knew. That's how I knew that MM was actually going
to be really good. It's like, yeah, that's, that's back. Can't even justify putting it
down a tier.
Hunter's mark is just so bad. Like they took the, on the PG, I didn't even know what they're
doing. Like who is the class Dev on Hunter? They made me able to Hunter's mark everything
in A to E, but now it's back to one target again. Yeah, complain more, man. It's
crazy. You have the best buff in the game.
Yeah, it works on multiple bosses as well. It's a very powerful
Very powerful raid buff. That was me pretending to be a hunter by the way. Just so you guys I'm not a hunter
I look upon them with disdain
Especially from an era where they used to have the worst defensives in the game. They don't even have that to fall back
That's a thing. It used to be super squishy, but now they are
One of the I would say it's not even like above average. They're either one of the white good when it comes to defense
They're not a devourer demon hunter, I'm not trying to argue that, but often times they are in the top like, I don't know, quartile of defensiveness as it comes to DPS specs, which is pretty good, of course death knights, nobody's ever killed DPS DK, but aside from those, Hunters are definitely way up there.
And honestly, Hunters being good is probably one of the reasons Ben doesn't want to come back to the game, because that guy looks upon Hunters with the most amount of disdain I've ever seen from anyone back in his day of World of Warcraft, they were always the first ones on the floor.
That's right.
He hates them.
Yeah, I mean they're the equivalent to meeting players in the BOE, which of course, he does not like, do not look at the mercenaries, don't count.
That's different.
Yeah, that's different entirely.
That's more like duo queueing as a solo player.
Yeah, that's okay.
Alright, so we are into the Vashnik attempt section of this split.
They did wipe, I believe once already in this split, but we've got another pull going.
And this one, this fight shouldn't be that hard to split because it's not too numerically challenging.
It is mostly about understanding how to move and survive and hit all the totems with your lines,
and then also having a composition that murders those high health purple spawns that you get towards the end.
Here's that infection coming out. Here's going to put three big healing absorbes on some players.
So, Boomi dropping incredibly low. They actually lost one of our mages there as well.
Actually, that was a shine going on in the LA Shaman. But he can just awk and get right back into the fight.
We also lose another one of our players. Yes, we did, unfortunately. So, we have an awk and a rest.
And you don't need everybody to get through this fight, but of course this early in the fight, you would like to get everybody's damage still, but you know, if we lose two or three people on the next and vibe, it's probably okay.
We can maybe still get through the rest of this one as we will soak going unsoked and you can see three people reacting and grabbing it.
You have to make sure this next froth hits every single totem left in the room.
It looks like it's gonna stick here four at these four
Who's gonna get the entrance one? I think that one is gonna hit as well actually I'm soaked
Oh that pit one miss is one of yeah, they think the red marker one might not have been hit but maybe it did
I mean you're purple right there in the front. Oh, yeah, there's the one rating. Uh-oh. Well
Maybe you can go through
Zeppertzky else committed here, but unfortunately lose half the rate
Yeah, it's a 500k initial fit. Yep. Plus 200k every two seconds for a minute. Oh, yeah
In addition to the normal like imbibe
Yeah, that's good boss design.
Just hit the totems guys.
The one that spawns 100 yards away, get that one too for sure.
Just run over there, phenomenal.
Blink, one blink.
For the record as well, that mechanic is the one...
The big reason that this strategy is so good is that
that mechanic gets way harder if you're trying to move the boss in different parts of the room.
It does, yeah.
Speaking of boss, Jed has arrived. Hello boss, how are you?
Charles, what the hell man?
What are you doing?
I'm turning up and it was zoomed in on the snake
I don't know
Say something man
Well, I'm sick and tired of you
Your head's too damn big
So I've been on Kalamazys nice
And comfortable, little boy
Listen dude, uh, we, we, I thought we had something going on man, we were, we were getting, you know, we were best buds, we were rooming together.
I, what, it was, did I do something?
Well I just need some space. I need a guy that can really speak to me and reach my heart in a way that you just never could bud.
Your friendship is just, it's just surface level.
surface level surface level what are you talking about man this is this is too
much bro I don't know if my heart can take this well you are never much a
strong stock you know you're always a little bit timid and just I'm tired of
And I'm tired of the abuse of the beatings and all the things you say to me.
You know I've got a sleep talking problem Charles.
I'm not talking directly to you man.
It's just, you know I'm always fighting guys in my dreams, I'm always fighting guys.
I'm tired of it. It's waking me up all the dang time. I'm just tired of being roommates.
And this Kalamazoo guy, he's always buying me Taco Bell. At first I was kind of sick
of it, but I kind of like it now. I really like it. And you know what? I'm looking
to live moss. I love living moss. And I'm tired of everything that you're putting me through.
So I'm sorry. It's over. It's over. I'm like a sailor that's been out at sea for too long.
I'm finally making port and getting my land legs back. So you gotta, you know, you
Yo yo that song how goes you lever John and lever you know that one what are you
talking about man you know what forget you buddy this this friendship is over
oh I'm sick of it well
they said it was close everyone that was that was incredibly sad yeah I feel
like I just witnessed the end of something beautiful.
Or to start something great.
All right, we're back in the middle of action.
Attempt number three, for this split.
Oh, my goodness.
I do like this hat to be fair.
It's nice.
It's good.
I think it brings up my personality a bit more.
Yeah.
I was wondering if it was the tacos,
and then straight from the horse's mouth right there.
Yeah, if you think about it.
Right in the snake's mouth.
The snake's.
Snakes are probably really good at eating burritos, right?
It's basically snake-shaped.
Oh, yeah.
Just goes right in.
Yeah, I mean, they can dislodge their jaw.
Oh, yeah.
It's like me eating Taco Bell.
I've seen you do that.
Yeah, I see you and Charles just have a lot in common.
Exactly.
So much to talk about.
There are some sinister pictures of me eating that pizza,
but if you had to go on stream, it is real bad.
Yeah.
Hey, how much did you say your pizza cost?
Uh, well mine was like 50 bucks, but it was good.
It was gluten-free pizza.
Yeah, they...
$10 more for...
It's terrible.
That is tough.
You pay way more, and the pizza just tastes like cardboard.
They're good now.
Oh!
Yeah, but I also got a lot of meat on there.
Lots of toppings, about 10 toppings.
Yeah, that's where they get you.
The topping.
I just got like a chicken Vesto pizza.
Ooh.
What do you buy?
Yeah, usually if you order just like one of the named ones, right, where it's
Like instead of like create your own usually you're getting a much better. You add more to it
Then you can add more to it. Yeah
That can be good tech the best tech is if you have like a couple ingredients around like you stay some of the chicken from lunch
For instance, then you throw that on the pizza. That's what I'm saying. Oh, yeah, here. Yeah
Anywhere where we're like where specifically is it inside the building? I'm not gonna tell you
If you're using like chicken that's been left out for eight hours
It'll be fine.
Chickens were out, they were out in the fields for like years and they were fine.
I'm sure it'd be fine for, you know, half a day in a kitchen somewhere, it's much more
sanitary.
Yeah, there's a lot of like food safety rules that aren't really needed in modern day.
That's right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know.
I left the people to try a ground beef out overnight, apparently I had to put
them in the fridge.
Actually it was fine, no problem.
Yeah.
I had no problems.
Yeah.
This guy wondered what he was doing.
Have you ever, you know how they tell like, make sure you have your kid
like eat sand so that they got exposed to all the different things.
Drink water from the hose.
Exactly. Same thing goes with, you know, if you want to be able to enjoy a lot of different
food from a lot of different circumstances, you can't just be scared of a few hours out
warm food.
I feel like Ciori was about to like ask us a question.
Yeah, they heard the topic as like, I'm out of here.
Yeah.
Let me walk through as quickly as possible.
right past our expected though so oh I see something in chat sandwich love we
don't talk about sandwich love anymore the creators of sandwich love would
like to leave that in the past it had its moment in time let's let's let's let's
let's see pink dogs lie fair enough it was beautiful when we had it but let's
leave it a minute what other form of dogs sleeping for lying down what's
Sleeping dogs lie. What do they stand with me? Is it a lot?
Well, what kind of saying is that I don't know. I just said something man
Let's interrogate every choice of words you've made over the last hours
I'm a little hostile right now. Yeah, I'm a little hostile that lost in the EPS friction concept
That's probably the snake sap in your brain right now. Yeah
And your head constricted a little?
Yeah, well it comes with the territory.
It comes with the job.
Yeah.
The top line in our contract is you will be ridiculed 24-7.
At least I have that.
I don't know if you guys have that.
Yeah.
Well I understood why you instantly thought you were like, well, are you doing that?
You guys are getting paid.
Yeah.
No, they pay me in food.
That's still my number one line of my contract.
Yeah.
They pay you in food.
Okay, that's fine.
I'm sure.
Yeah.
I see, I see. Yeah, Farfa, we are doing Vashnik splits right now. It's actually four of eight splits right now.
Yeah, in the meantime, we have had a... So there's three total guilds in the world that have killed Vashnik, but not the three that you might expect.
Liquid, Method, and Evolve. The guilds have got it. Evolve actually picking up the world second there. Liquid with the world third.
Our leaderboard shows boss health on Czzrak, which method I believe are hiding any pulls that they did of that from their page right now.
So Liquid showing up in first, but we did get the world third on this one. It was Method who secured that world first.
But yeah, this boss is being killed in splits by Liquid, Method, and presumably Echo at some point.
They have quite a bit of time before their reset, another 24 hours or so.
Whereas Evolve, I assume, killed it with an all mains raid.
I responded to the car for specifically because he's one of the echo casters. Yeah, maybe I can give some information for some information
Maybe trade offer
What's the plan over an echo tomorrow? You got any inside info buddy?
You want to hook us up?
There's no they've only done two of eights right now presumably they're gonna do two sentinels and probably Vashnik splits
Yeah, I so I was thinking about the sequencing of this like in the one hand it does make sense to go to
2222222, sentinel, sentinel, sentinel, right,
vashnik, vashnik, vashnik, do that kind of thing?
Well, it just sort of makes sense to sequence things
easy to hard, so that then wherever you stop,
if you have to stop early,
you have gained the most possible value.
But the downside is that if there are players
who are in some splits but not others,
they can't as easily run M plus
as if you run an entire split all the way through vashnik
and then the next one, right?
Because the way we're sequencing this right now,
for instance, anybody who's not in on this split,
like THD is able to be doing Mythic Plus right now,
whereas if we were doing six and two sentinels in a row,
nobody would have time to start a key
because anybody could be in the next split
that's about to fire, so.
Okay.
I do think that the liquid way
is a slightly more efficient way of sequencing this,
but it does open them up to a little bit more
of a disaster case if one or multiple of these splits
end up taking an hour to kill a boss,
and then all of a sudden it's like after dinner
and there's still a lot of work to do, could be tough.
Yeah, we will see.
I have some bad news.
Our ship is coming to an end.
Some good news is that we're gonna head to a monster energy listen in and when we come back from that
We'll have a whole set of new casters here for myself. Is that ironic?
Dr. Atma? We will see you all in a while.
Good night!
And now plague for off is in 10 seconds watch your feet and identify where a lot of the totems are get pre-spread plague for off coming out in 3
2 1 now
Going off
Okay, Armageddon soaks coming out soon
one burp, one orange, one boss
there's five, less maybe, right?
it's only three, I only see three
holy fuck that was a smurf
one burp, one boss, one orange
someone could stand here and hit
we don't even need to hit that right
just like literally claim a totem and it's gg
yeah, just call burp and orange and then boss will be sorted
orange
what?
does anyone say purple?
That's what we did
That was what the- oh, mint?
Back up, and you can do the AMZ in 3, 2, 1
Everyone in it?
Let's see, you can do the early dispell
Inbivin 2, 1, now
Probably just don't mark me
Are we holding for some?
Armageddon 6 here, big AWE in 3, 2, 1, now
Melee, there's a bunch of weird ones Melee
You're a god if you get them all but if you can hit, if you can hit, no, soak soak soak.
Nice KSP, Rishak.
Plague Froth is in 10, watch your HP if you have a purple absorb.
Okay Plague Froth in 5.
3, 2, 1, now.
One of you should go a nice.
Watch Plague Froth now, dodge dodge dodge dodge.
Okay Armageddon, Armageddon soaks in 5.
to the first one
Okay, we need like three people on orange one on purple and one under boss, right?
Is there anyone under boss?
Is it just one person purple everyone else orange one person needs to call really far
But Blake for often three two one now
We need one purple one purple one purple
Nick, you are a fucking goat, by the way.
Okay, get up by the boss here, get under, this is gonna be no AMZ on this one, by the
way.
Actually, it's all...
And Vibe is in five, this is no AMZ, no rally.
Oh, we just... are those the five's efforts?
You guys are using them on three and five?
The plague cross there were fucking excellent. That was really good. Like the first set was
so good every time. Uh, no, so I don't know exact, so sorry, I don't know about how long
it is.
Yeah, what did I do? 3 and 5?
Okay, yeah. So all three of the okrs, you guys will zepher 3 and 5. That will actually
really help.
3 and 5.
They are zephering 3 and 5 and the healers are zephering 4.
Also 2 done.
2 does 0 damage, I don't think they should even use the global slow key.
Could be wrong, I don't know how valuable a healer global is but I'm pretty sure
like you'd rather be healing and getting the dispells off rather than pressing a button when there's like no
That's good
I'm still getting I'll call when the plague for author going off because I think that's helpful for dodges and stuff
I just I'm getting used to like new UI
Is there a hearty feast or?
Dude, something fired up had as a text when the plate dropped responding that just feels
like something everyone would want.
Loki, I don't know if that's like something you turn on or if that's a reminder he said,
but it's like very, very good.
I think it's an honor to turn it on.
And then the speculative lips.
Example number 100 of everyone should start with everything on and then turn them
off I don't know what's called just look through it and turn it on before it just
does what do you say I just gotta go a capital I sleep in chat to make it someone
I can have good some stuff I don't even think it's the plague it's waves I think
who knows whatever that doesn't really say the hearty maybe the spread
countdown does it I don't know so it is that one nice so does the spread countdown
and the like when the waves come out that's a different one that's a lot
I'm looking for it doesn't matter it doesn't matter like when the waves shoot
out how waves time is yeah yeah when the waves shoot out is not like people get
hit by waves a lot I think that stresses healers out when it's already
pretty stressful. What are you or mastery journey? The five minute so and by the first
one's kind of like just to get it on close I'm pressed it is a is a five
minute by five or four. It's the second last one. Oh that's probably good.
We'll see how healthy we are in five actually. It's like in the last group we
had like rally AMZ this this oh I guess we'll still have rally on five maybe it
should be chill all right let's game plague for us are great we have to like if
we're running into the problem on this boss we're plague for us are really
consistent and we have to shore up the other stuff that's an extremely good
problem to have.
Yay.
Yo, hey.
Yo.
Yo.
Yo, hopeful.
Yo.
Do you have a 10k recently?
Wow.
Wow.
No small talk.
Blake Froth coming out.
Please don't talk to your coworkers.
Blake Froth now.
Okay.
Please don't talk to your fellow players.
Plank for us now.
Okay, and Bibb.
Okay, Armageddon soaks in three.
I would like that timer to be accurate
instead of the second one before.
Okay, get their soaks here.
I can get the four one.
And we're getting purple absorbs watch your HP here
Okay, and plague froth is in five pre-spread for plague for off going out in three two one now
And the waves are happening in three two one now
Think we're gonna have a lot of totems left pretty sure respect
You can do orange one person can solo purple one person can get the two next to boss and then we just need three people on orange
So three people orange one get the two like closest to boss now
Another person's gonna get the two like right next to that and then their person gets far orange
Everyone here needs to get to this one
Watch
Maybe someone else are we there just the one on perp right or was there multiple
I got a bit of a brain likes
Well good, we're good.
That was I mean, this is how I knew we would have a lot personally
Like if I'm watching a puv like I feel like do you guys tell me you guys are in the fight tell me if I'm wrong
If I was on the set no set before this
Okay, when I see this
right like I don't how many is flat hitting here one hitting Dallas I was
getting a bang because I was another person that but then he moves like
actual like Omega faster should just take another step back if this is just
just just for reference if this guy's is ever you where you're basically hitting
one or zero where this is a white like this can happen you guys have to hit
more than this who had X here I want to see the angle you took and why you
went all the way to the wall.
I just made it just like kind of met up and then yeah,
think it was just like,
it was too far from the others.
What can I look at like completely fucked.
I would look at this as like one of you skull, one of you
decks.
I kind of thought that he would honestly get them but then
they moved far but I could have reacted to him moving
far as well.
And then that one was clear too.
Yeah, I think two people basically hit almost nothing
there.
All right, let's go.
which are post homes guys just one one person on each marker generally speaking and then you
just adjust slightly it's really that's all it is identify which marker is yours the name
These play cross don't matter going out three two one now and by
Armageddon soaks now, and we're soaking now.
Oh, I think that fingered something.
No, I fucking.
Okay, purple absorbs plus orange.
Okay, plague profit in five.
Make sure you know where you are.
Identify your marker in three, two, one.
Which marker are you?
I'll go Muley, I'll get him back down.
Watch the prank, Frog?
We have people off the line there, that's why you died?
Don't know how you left the full...
Did you die, right?
Yeah.
Did you die?
So what caused that death?
Another thing we talked about in the previous group, and maybe some of you did not know.
There's a reason there's a line.
If you go off the line, you kill someone just like that.
There we go.
So you aim within the line of the markers.
So like this.
this line. When one of you goes off here, what happens is you just shoot one directly at someone
who's not really looking and like you guys are doing the hard like these people have the hardest
job. If you have a plague for us, you have the hardest job. You are trying to make us not wipe
to the totems, right? What you don't want to have to think about is like dodging a plague
for us from right next to you. You're going to get hit. It happens every time. That's why
we're in the line. It's impossible while you're in the line for this person, hit this
person for this exact reason, right? But what's the best place to go at this then? Because
I was kind of like hitting nothing or I was just walking up and down like the guy above you is supposed to hit the ones you walked to you see
You walked to something and then you you hit like look where's the lumbel thing lumbel show your description again
This is don't move it or wait. There's a previous one
Let me see my other slides. Yes
There they're like notice
Yeah, okay. So like notice how if you move off the middle
Yeah, put them in the middle
This isn't going to work.
Yeah.
Okay.
I was showing down a box just because that's the box you're supposed to be in.
You guys are, if you guys are lining yourself up, yes, you stay in the line.
There's nothing on scope.
Cool.
Move all the way up to triangle to try to aim far and hit something.
But if you move off the line, think about where all these lines are coming from.
Spot.
Don't move your screen.
Like there's a line here.
There's a line here.
Okay.
Move, instantly move your screen.
So like here, here, here, here, here, like this, right?
Roughly like this. So if you're moving like you're this guy and you're like, okay
I'm gonna go here you're like all this shit is getting hit by accident
Right, so like you're not even you're not even hitting anything good
You're just hitting more totems
So like you just use the line if you didn't get a lot of spawns on skull that can happen
But still move along the line don't kill people
I had pulled up us that's fine. We can go we see we got more use of this
It is not it is not an easy mechanic.
It was just weird.
It was just weirdly RNG.
How long do you know?
Never mind.
Pretty deep breath.
Yeah.
I would make it hard to dodge the waves, but I had a suggestion.
I guess to try actually making more things hit in a line.
What are we doing?
I mean, it's not necessarily, like maybe nothing's broken, but.
Every wipeout is so far has been someone doing something wrong from the way we have,
but it's complicated. It's not like you're stupid. It's just, this is,
it's not like we're wiping to RNG, honestly.
Like I feel like almost every single time something, RNG makes it harder,
but there's like basic concepts that are still like not quite hitting.
Watch the, uh, watch the things right near melee.
Okay. There's one melee one on diamond. Honestly, oh no, there's two. There's two. Melee needs
to get both of diamond here. Who's getting that soak? Nice. He's trying to talk to you.
He's got a big froth in ten.
He has karma, he's fine.
Okay, spreading in four, three, two, one.
I should go here to get this one.
I'll go.
Okay, going off now, Dodge.
Did we hit that one at purple?
Okay, so one goes purple, two goes orange.
Someone can get the two far orange.
Someone can get the two close orange and then we have two people get the stuff over there
like by purple.
One person goes for purple, one person close purple, two people orange, one person float.
Everyone is responsible for two here.
You can ping that if you want to.
Other person's responsible in.
That person's getting both.
They should be getting it.
Should be getting it.
Okay, good.
I wish I could ping and drop markers, bro.
actually be so much easier to communicate. Everyone is looking at every single one. Yeah, get in now.
You can already, we're sitting in ANZ, there's no better time to dispel.
Who's the fourth to spell? Is that like intentionally? Okay, are we getting three, two, one?
And we're soaking.
Adaptive infection, here comes purple absorbs. Here comes purple absorbs.
If it's the middle, you can just always play that.
And we're getting spreads, plague frosts in five, pay attention.
Identify your marker.
We're going five in the line here, five in the line, five in the line, that's fine.
Hey, we need some help over other side of orange on this one after, and we need like
two people diamond, maybe three.
Can one person get everything in orange there?
Uh, if you get someone both, yeah.
There's one entrance, one entrance, and then double, double, right?
Okay, so one person orange, one person entrance, everyone else diamond.
Everyone else diamond, one person orange, one person entrance.
Ready to go. Go now. Go. You have time to sparrow.
Under ward.
Good job, Drennaka. That was hard.
All right, get ready for the imbibe now.
Let's just make sure you talk, then there's a...
This is just three, so it's just as efforts here.
Just as efforts here.
Make sure you're top another raid.
Going off in three, two, one, now.
Good.
May lay a diamond.
We'll definitely have a lot to get.
Hey, adaptive infection going off.
Dispells and purples.
Watch absorbs.
They're pretty top though.
Okay, we're getting plague froth and six plague froth identify your spot
Five in a line we're doing five in a line. We'll fix diamond after thank being here is not good
It's safe for us, but it makes it so like so one person people can't be on top of us one person can sell diamonds on square
Okay, one person souls diamond on square one person goes far in your orange
two other people go close orange and then is there any closer than that
directly on circle should also one diamond everyone else orange it's
communicate it's in four seconds one diamond everyone else orange
I'll get them oh you got it okay orange
hey watch here watch dodge dodge dodge
oh it dude it barely missed it was lit up to
It might still hit. This one might still hit.
Yeah, it might still hit.
Get ready, get ready.
This is the healer of okers.
Healer of okers.
This is, yeah.
The DMZ.
Resmet.
Res both healers. Res both healers maybe?
Rip one when you can.
I think it's over. Yeah. Practice the plague for us for fun.
The only reason I think it's bad is because it just we just cover a bunch of space that
a green guy might want to go and makes it hard for them to look. Obviously it's like
safe for us to like dodge there. I just don't know how good it is to like stand in the middle
of the totems. Maybe we just like pick an open spot or something early. We can just like
find like an open spot where they wouldn't go. I've noticed the more you guys have the
boss in the middle the more like no one's getting hit by a tank right there. Yeah that's
yeah that's that's is a nice thing. What's the bad part about it? I'm just saying like
if we're stand if we're stood here when they go out like the green people can't
see the totems. It becomes hard for the people to see the totems and like line
up where they're trying to go, like the people on the line, that's the argument.
Um, what's the reason to like, risk it with just one clear four?
We had like three extra people for luck nothing else.
Uh, just because someone confidently said you can hit all three from this, but
also we did. But no, we didn't. Someone got it from far.
Yes. I mean, I'm pretty sure I died because that, because I'm pretty sure
okay just look stop to a little yeah sorry to that is that why we died to the
a we do we not have enough CDs there or did we stop playing the game because
we thought we were right being I stopped playing it for the second stop for a
couple of wills okay
because we could rally there and just like the next one you got me food for
four or five there.
I can put my name there if we want to.
Wait, we're really getting five, right?
Isn't that the five minute thing you said you were using?
That was at 430.
That was way earlier than five minutes.
According to the Coulton manager.
First commenter.
Let's check that.
I mean, I can make it. I mean, I think that is on. I can just make a work. I thought it was at five minutes though.
Let me see if that's, I mean, we could AM five and just be extra safe. It's just hard to tell if we died because like we stopped playing the game.
Wait, did we even rally this?
No, we didn't.
I thought I saw it rally on the front side.
Only smacked died, he was at,
let's see.
It was a chin reaction because I didn't get to spell.
I mean, we were like,
I'll put it in there.
How did smack die?
It's actually 100 B.
I don't think that's right.
Right?
You're imbibed going off in 2, 1, you're 100% HP, and you die.
Well, I die with the buff and get chain reaction.
Well, Max not in the Raker, right?
Max not in the AMZ and stuff, so he didn't get Zephyr and he's not in the AMZ, so he just gets fucking dead.
Yeah, I mean, people are 1 HP, I couldn't move.
Yeah, yeah, I'm not saying that, just that's why I think.
We'll have aim there too, so we'll give it more chill.
So on the last one, all we're going to have is rally in AMZ.
Is that even enough to live?
I'm still darkening the last one, so some people live.
The darkness is totally RNG, right?
I know.
I don't think we live the last one with aim, but doesn't it have like four Zephyrs as
well?
Both with four or three Zephyrs?
It's triple Zephyrs.
That's nothing to personal.
Yeah, but Zephyr, it's super RNG.
It's not smart.
If you use Zephyr twice in the raid, the third person using Zephyr, you can
just go on the same people that doesn't do anything.
They can hit the triangle formation, but...
So do you want me to put it on 4 or 5?
That scared me right there of 4, but it's possible that we were stopping playing the game and I don't want to overreact to it and we want to live 5.
But if we die to 4 again, you will move it there. Put it on 5.
Roger.
Alright, let's go again.
Dude, I can't wait for the rest of Shaman Epic link moment on this boss.
I do agree with KSP though.
I think we should have, like anytime there's three
in one spot, we should just always send two people there.
One person can always confidently get two.
You should never ever miss a double.
That's like, it's too easy,
but a triple is like kind of RNG too.
Some are not possible.
Okay, we're spreading here.
And in 5 and 5, I feel like these first plague frosts could be like a little bit more safe.
Just make the bus safe then.
Purple has a million and there's zero on orange.
Am I looking at that right?
Yes.
Sick boss.
All right, get ready to do purple absorbs plus a
other shit.
Nice, plague, froths and five.
Identify where you need to go here.
X is juicy.
Skull might want to move somewhere else, basically,
or move up in line.
What the purple frangles?
Move your subtract.
I'm going to pass to you.
We have no one on star here.
This is going to be pretty tough.
Be care.
We need to send GZs purple, so did we not do.
One entrance, one star, three perp, yeah, yep, yes.
One entrance, one star, three perp.
Star can also cleave some of perp if you move correctly.
Okay, spreading in three, two, one, plague for three perp.
Okay, and going off, Dodge.
Hey, get ready for this. This is a the day is Monday, the location, the Alienware training
facility in sunny Santa Monica, California. The content on screen liquid gill doing lots
of splits, including fashion over and over again. Me, the host, titles joined by Atlas
and Jet Jaguar, former GM of limit way back in the day. Monday, Monday, Monday, Monday,
truck jam the mental at an all-time low it does not feel like Monday and I'm
taking a look at leaderboard we are four out of eight mythic have you guys been
feeling so far about the content that we've been seeing today I think that
this is my first cast yeah I woke up and I saw that method had somehow killed
bash Nick and then whatever I further analyzed it this guy is gonna go down
in history books as a cheese boss yeah it put a smile on my face seeing them
come up with something that you don't interact with the fight basically at all.
We have been due.
Oh, that's so nice.
Oh my gosh.
I was, that is like the first time that they have killed a boss world first since Queen
of Shara.
Oh, okay.
I thought you were going to take it to like, it's been a while since we've seen a cheese
boss just be left the way it is.
Look, all I'm saying is this is not the worst I've ever seen.
No, I think for a boss that struggled to find identity throughout the PTR testing
Cycle and then had some sort of weird strats going on and heroic and it felt like a little bit difficult at times with you
Understand the flow of the fight him getting an unceremonious end in this way is the most fitting thing
Okay, I'm I'm thinking we maybe rank some cheese bosses of all time. Okay. I got a sign for us. Yep
That's our guest strategy on Elginoth. Yep. The star
Fate scribe Rojo and Vashnik. Okay. Oh
Okay, okay. How are we ranking it though? Is it like like the most cheese boss like like the most satisfactory cheese?
Like you know or is it like the best tasting like we're talking about like some like little seasons deep deep deep dish like a lot of cheese
You know you remember when that Russian guild
Transcended the add-on star auger out of the room and broke yeah, that's fantastic cheese. So that wasn't cheese because they got banned yeah, but
Yeah, I didn't get away with it the cheese is the most impactful thing that you could get away with that also nullifies becatex of the boss
I think for some background, we should explain how this is being cheese because I'm sure like it looks like something's happening
But not much is going on here
So what's going on is basically as it as it was discovered by method the most effective strategy for this fight is to do it a
Way that is unintended and the unintended way is to just tank it on the orange and the purple side the entire time
And you face tank the amp on this side
It allows you to just you just stand here and you out here with I'm sure it's been talked about before but every time he cast some vibe
He picks the two closest
Fountains to him and then he activates the slimes from them, but he gets a stacking buff on himself
For the ones that he activates yes
Is a huge giant upfront raid hit along with like Raid rod damage and he gets various effects from the different ones
But turns out if you just keep him right here
You can just deal with it. Yeah probably easily the ads get more HP every single time
He does cast this as well, but as long as you have them under control, it's totally fine
So Katz also requesting that Kelth is odd from Senkuma Domination gets out. Yeah, that's
On some on some real shit right there. That's a very hot take death
Take that forget that that cheese was dank that thing was 500 years fermented and finally aged
Yeah, that was a very impactful cheese on that boss. Yeah, ah
Let me think I think for me
I think we're like we should establish like what you feel like is cheese for me
Cheezing is like completely nullifying and intended
Like approach to a mechanic. Yeah, which is why I think what a Teddles asked me this earlier this morning after the method kill
And I kind of said that I feel like fate scribe is like one of the biggest cheeses
I don't even know if that's cheese, or if the guy who made the fight was eating some
like hallucinogenic cheese, you know what I mean?
His numbers were a little off, but like the intended like way, you know, they're like
you're supposed to like do the different directions, right?
Yeah, but if you just stood on it, it's so obvious.
There was enough time for it to fully rotate into the slot.
Yeah, of course, of course.
I don't know if that's really chea-
Here's what I'm thinking, right?
Okay.
I'm thinking of Scenarius.
That's like my prime cheese boss.
Like, he spawned all the adds everywhere, right?
Sure.
And then you just get a tank to pick up all the adds
and go sit in the corner,
with three healers spamming him the entire time.
Mr. Stasi also probably falls in a similar category.
Oh, yeah.
I wish we cheered that boss.
That's more cheese to me, you know what I mean?
Oh, the old Okadaf also got cheese with the Horde of Valor.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
There's a lot of cheese,
although the cheese potential's high,
You know all over the place. I guess I gotta I gotta approach it from my own personal experience with those older bosses
I think the scorn is probably my number one like most cheese fight now
It wasn't that bad during the race
Yeah, a little bit trolled during the race and then as it went down the line for not racial first skills
This strategy that evolved it to oh, what if we just put our entire rate here at six tanked this is
Is that what people did?
You didn't take the Ciscar in the morning, but now that you've brought it up here, I think that one takes the cake.
Really?
Yeah, you literally, you like six tanked it, your tanks ran out into the fire, and you just hit the possible.
Yeah, yeah, I think that one was crazy, because like it was total, you were cheesing everything.
You're cheating literally.
That is, that is some dank chees, uh-oh.
Boom.
Oh dear.
Almost one, but then we lost.
Hold on.
Almost one.
Hold.
No, man.
Hold.
Oh, yeah, he's done. Oh, that's so sad. Oh
Well, dang
Early deaths. Yeah, it is it so the fight is being cheese. It's still deadly. Yeah, of course
It just because you're teasing it doesn't mean it's free
You're just choosing to make the difficulty something entirely else. Yeah, I mean
You know like the actual pull counts for this boss
Considering the cheese, you know like what 11 pulls for method. Yeah, I'm pretty high pretty high for a cheese boss
I think this is the sixth draft. I mean I woke up and I was looking at it like wow like
I think that people often almost write off method is like, oh, this would be really hard for them to win world first
They haven't really trail trail blazed paths in a while. Yeah, like actual progression
Whatever you talk about them like that is a strategy. Yeah, yeah, they actually innovative the strategy
They haven't had an experience in the race world first at least recently where they have to show up to a boss first
And come up with the strategy for it. Yeah, that's a unique skill
Yeah in terms of what you need to win the race world first. They've been kind of just like a little bit behind the entire time
But it's a big moment for them to actually pull up to a boss first and come up with the thing that everybody decides to use
Yeah, where everybody's doing the methods right now make props a method on oh, yeah
Steply I don't know if this boss would have been killed this week, especially not no
I actually I think it's killable
I don't know it's just annoying like the blood the blood side is really punishing and then yeah
The other difficulty is really the fact that you kind of have all the tumors or totems as the players will call them in closed space.
It is very random where they spawn, but it is within a range, I think, of the boss.
So if you're just going around all over the place, I think it makes it way harder.
You have to keep in mind this is within the context of them already doing the splits in the first place.
Like they'd probably pull this boss a few times and see like if you couldn't do the strat and see like hey
Well, this is gonna take a while
they're just probably gonna go do their three out of eights then they'll try the world boss again and
Probably spend to the they're not doing that. I think this boss dies in splits in a world where you don't cheese it
It's just maybe not as
What sort of looking for consistent there they're probably gonna spend like a lot of poles per split to the point where they won't kill
many of these, if they were to actually do the entire fight itself.
Yeah.
But, you know, this is relatively low execution demand.
It's more of like a throughput demand than anything, like people need to be good with
their defensives, they have to play safe, they have to be good with like health stones
and health pots.
They're pretty aggressive with the dispels.
That's what I know, that was the difference between some of their earlier pulls and
their actual kill was that they were pretty slow on the dispels up until like
a point where somebody, I think, said he was like, we just need to be dispelling
faster.
Caster two-hander boss like this is the fact that this is available this week is a huge deal
Yeah, the gearing purpose. Yeah, especially now that we're splitting it
You know, yeah, like the value of potential gear across these groups is incredibly incredibly high
So I'm curious to see because we haven't seen it a little bit
We did like the caster pull prediction count right at the beginning of the week
And then we saw what the first couple of mythic bosses were when we were casting together titles on that
Yeah, I don't remember what I put for for
uh, what's his name?
Dashnik, but I feel like I'm close. I feel like every time I've been up here
I have yet to see that being posted, so I don't remember either what I did. Yeah
I I did tell them so I didn't predict that they would wipe on the turtles, but they didn't. It was what 19 pulls for
Liquid to kill at the first time. I think so.
Yeah, yeah, I've been
I feel like that's a guessable number.
Yeah, I think so. I think that's a I think a lot of somewhere between like one and 25 is probably the
Those are probably the band of what you would guess one being Roshanon and then 25 being like your average fourth
Yeah, and then you know 200 being the next the brick wall
It's hard to predict the fourth one, you know, you never know what you're gonna get either impossible or just kickwalk or cheese
Yeah, I think I think last night before
They were you know thinking about this method stack strat
Scott was saying he doesn't know how guilds outside like the top five would even kill this boss. Yeah
Which now I see how I wonder if Blizzard's actually gonna come and fix this on the reset and then like completely nerf the butt fight
In the ground, they've had a precedent of like fixing bosses that somewhat are engaged with in this way before you know
At worst it would probably come with like a compensation nerf if anything that that's usually something they do
Like they fix the you know the cheese strap, but then they give you a little give me it's like okay
Yeah, you guys have to figure out a harder fight now, but we'll maybe make it more. Yeah, if they okay if they fix it
What do you think did you I think they reduce the number of spawns of the totems right? I think they might reduce
I hope of the red ass I think the range of which they can spawn around the room
It should be can it should be relative to the boss. It should not be relative to like what's being empowered. Oh
Oh, dang.
Like that is, I think, a really big deal,
because if you saw on screen right as they wiped right there,
there were the malignant totems on the opposite side
of their orange skull.
If you just have the spawn relative to the boss,
way more chill than them spawning 120 yards away
from the boss.
It just seems like there's a few of them that kind of spawn
like at the halfway mark.
Yeah, really, really.
Like entirely too far.
Yeah, so having those a little bit more condensed
would probably be good.
I would imagine there would be some sort of health nerf on either the adds or the boss,
one of the two if you were forced to do the fight.
How does the red add would probably get a health nerf?
Yeah, like the red add and the boss probably, not like a substantial one.
Yeah.
Somewhere around like 3% on the boss or something, you know.
The precedence for them fixing fights like this, especially once they've been killed
with an alternate strat is like, oh, we're gonna gun this guy down and make sure that
he is not a hard fight.
Like, we don't want people to feel like they lost something that they could have taken advantage of
and otherwise now have to fight something that is ridiculous.
Yeah, but also, let's keep it real. I'm totally chill with them not doing anything to it.
I'm trying to think of Mistress when they fix Mistress if they nerf her.
Like a compensant or...
I don't think they did because we killed her, unfortunately, the normal way that you're intended to kill her.
So yeah, they probably just so we're like, okay. Well, we've already seen it done this way
But then like everyone else that's smarter than the world or
US first skill is doing it like this cheese way, so we're just gonna fix it and leave it as it is it
Whenever they reworked the scum like they didn't even just like oh patch out the bug
They like almost completely reworked the boss
Yeah, and then he was significantly harder than previous and then they nerfed him straight into the ground to like the week after
I would walk her looks so fun to play it is great I just watched him rip a point
eight second channel this yeah conduit conduit gives you those super speedy
fists it's really awesome I was playing it in the court author is great I now I
do miss though the spell effect that you won't this is what I was talking
about by the way where these malignant totems for some reason they are 85
from the boss. Yeah. Luckily, you can just have a muck kind of fly over and do that to them.
Lose 15 seconds worth of pups. Yeah, but like it's weird, right? Because like they spawn this far away
because they're intending you to eventually work your way towards there.
You know, like the goal is between this boss's cast is you're slowly inching it
him across the room and you're getting him towards the next altar. So it looks like a priority system.
You clear the ones close and then as you're working your way to the next altar, you clear those
before they pop, but you know in a world where we're not moving you just end up in a situation
where you're sending people super super far for no reason. Well if you like say we're moving them
constantly clockwise or whatever, they're still the ones that get spawned behind you. You'll get
to them eventually but also like oh this is really annoying. Yeah it is annoying but like you know I
can see the design intention there with why they do that. Yeah the intention makes sense.
But yeah it's just a major major grievance when you're not doing that because it feels like
it's uh inconsistent or not inconsistent it's inconvenient for just the sake of annoying you
you know yeah but if they were walking around the room it wouldn't feel as bad
but it's just something you gotta deal with you know you pick your battles you decided to
choose the fight so you gotta deal with that sort of annoying thing as opposed to dealing with
the annoying ads and the annoying red circles that you have to serve that just trumped you
for your entire health bar
yeah where where mythic splits i assume they're gonna you know finish up their
Vashniks hopefully in all of the groups that they have planned and then with any leftover time
We'll see them either go into what I assume would be Nemrissa wavecaller like a full main 25 man
Nemrissa, I think they try to split it honestly
If they can kind of get good enough at the fight to split it even like two or three times
That would be kind of beneficial for them. It's just free loot. But like yeah, yeah
Maybe I feel like that fight is insane still. It's scary
But right this is kind of like the hyperbolic time chamber almost for dealing with the damage intake of that right?
So you'd rather kill it. It's one of things you definitely would rather kill it to not so like if you have to bust out all the mains to even attempt it
Completely fine. Yeah, is this their last mythic split? No, they got quite a bit
So this is their last one through Vashnik and then they have to go back and kill Vashnik in the groups that they started with them today
Oh
Whatever that was like three three or four ones of their second Vashnik so they got four more
Yeah, yeah, they've got a few they've got a little Vashnik got ahead of them
They get that I mean this this fight doesn't seem like it's a pushover either no no
It there's again. It's being cheese
But there is some level of difficulty in the fight and you will see them wipe in just about every group
You know a little bit to make sure that it goes down. It's not a free little gamey by doing the cheese
Yeah, so hopefully, you know the consistency of doing them all back-to-back will make the later runs a little bit better, but
They're still gonna what a lineup. Oh my god. Oh
Oh, that's so nice!
Oh my goodness, he's gonna get a fifth!
Oh, dude!
Tana's going across the room, hold on.
Wait, pause, pause, hold.
Oh no, that one's missing.
Oh my God, no.
That was filthy though.
That was the most satisfying thing ever.
Mm-mm.
I think I'm all alone.
That was just fantastic.
That's a smile on your face.
The only problem is, is they have 75% left on the boss.
I think the damage on the boss is like not real at all.
But I think they're berserk like a minute left
when they kill the other two.
Yeah, then pipe casts are so far apart.
It's mainly just actually living.
Once you get to the later cast,
which becomes a problem.
Like he is so buffed at that point that you're really terrified.
What are the premium specs on this?
Like what are the like the oh yeah this makes this fight much easier. Is it like a tank?
It's nothing really in the...
Yeah, nothing.
No, I think the tank does nothing on the tank.
No, nothing stands out. Like as long as you got a blood DK in the group to like grip things and DPS DK is unserviceable.
Like you're counted like chill. Nothing is threatening.
Damage-wise, nothing is like a concern to them.
You're complaining during lunch that is the most boring fight he's ever done.
Oh, yeah, I don't know what's wrong with this this boss. It does zero damage to tanks like literally zero
The debuff that he puts on you does nothing the application does nothing his mailings don't do anything like a bug
It almost feels like it feels like it should you can take multiple stacks of his debuff and be totally fine
Like you're not supposed to get meleeed while you have the debuff
It's a big fizz amp on you sure and if you'd have like two stacks on you and you taught right
You're gonna get completely clobbered, but oh wait hold on pause. Oh
Oh man. It's crazy that he stood there to watch.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh you gotta know if it hits dude.
That's the whole purpose of the whole thing, you know?
Yeah, yeah, they were saying that Trill has a good eye for the angles on this earlier.
Yeah, that's probably why they're sending him afar every single time he gets there, you know?
He's hitting the hard ones, but...
So what is the premium spec? Is it like Presovoker or something?
Yeah, no actually yeah, I mean Presovation of Voker just has a crazy healing profile for this fight for sure.
sure as constant coverage has some sort of healing event for all these gigantic
sources of damage. Oh, Presovoker is just unbelievably broken. Yeah, it's very
impressive. It's supposed to get buffed by the way. Yeah, they're buffing it for
keys, but like those are, you use those spells in the raid too, so I don't know what the deal is.
I'll be honest as well. And the keys, they're kind of good, they're actually
by far the highest DPS healer. Yeah, yeah, their damage is actually insane, so.
But in terms of like what we actually want on this fight in particular, I
I mean, the Windwalker does excel, right?
It's really good at these low target counts that cleaves.
So it handles these ads really well.
They get a lot of health as time goes on.
Rogue, no surprise there, Rogue is crazy.
It does a crazy amount of damage.
The Mage is doing well.
A lot of it's just like, you know, pad slop.
Yeah, there's a lot of pad slop on this boss.
Like you need to make sure that those shadow ads die
and then these burning venoms are a complete non-issue.
Like you can just have a single blood DK,
hold them hostage and never let them reach the middle ever.
Yeah.
So you don't have to ever worry yourself about that.
It's mainly just making sure that the Shadow Ads die in time
because they do actually walk a little bit.
But again, you have so many stuns, knockbacks, things
like that, as long as people are aware and have a pulse,
like they won't reach the middle.
The damage on them isn't a concern.
Oh, look at this.
Wait, this is the Link's Disgust,
but that's the Wolf Disco main.
OK, so we're hoping for some good items for him off this one.
Yeah.
But I don't think there's anything that good.
I mean, there's a ring, but I
don't know if the Warriors necessarily want that ring.
What ring is it?
I think it's the Crit Mastery one, the super heavy Mastery one.
Oh, yeah, I don't know about that.
Yeah, it's like super heavy Mastery with a little bit of Crit.
I was going to say if it was high Crit, it's still pretty good, but...
Yeah, I don't think it's anything...
They're like a Haste Crit class.
I mean, there's tier, right? It's a tier boss.
Yeah, it is a tier boss.
It's high Myth Tract compared to the other bosses.
Yeah, you're looking for plate tier, I guess.
Yeah, so you're just looking for plate tier,
a couple little off pieces in there, that kind of thing.
Yeah.
But, yeah, significantly more emphasis on Caster Gear off this guy for sure.
Yeah.
You know, the big ticket play guy is in Tomb of Sentimals, that's the one that they're looking for, that one is the one with the two hand strength weapon, that one's the one with the strength trinket, so that's the value for them.
Look at like the premium specs for this raid are going to be the mages and the warriors, so figuring out a way to get those guys as juice as possible. I wouldn't be shocked if you run like three and three.
Let's find Devavoker's good too.
Yeah, I mean Devavoker's really really good, it's a target count of what they actually need.
Dev is also quite strong, but yeah, I think that like arcane and arms Oreo would not be shocked
That's the stack. We have a real sleeper coming in though in this right in terms of evoker specs
Randomly aug went from bottom fragging to suddenly finding some of the value again. August pretty good, too
Any fight with a damage app augmentation evoker is strong
I think that the other thing that people just don't know is that aug evoker is like completely changing
that the gear, like their gearing situation, because they last season they were like a haste-crit class,
you know, they loved the crits for the duplicates to, you know, double the, all the buffs that they got.
They're also critting Evan Might as well, which is completely broken.
But now they're like a precious base spec, a few other things change that I'm not too familiar about,
but I know they're switching to like complete mastery gear, which is why like this first week,
You're not going to see them do too well on like the workup log statistics,
but that's just because people are, most people are, you know, running old gear, running old tier.
What is, is it, it's current award? Yeah, they're putting current award and they're gonna,
now like the precious targets matter a little bit more. I think like before,
you could just kind of yolo them and you would do like 95% amount of like the potential
that you got out of that, but now the tier is focused a lot more on that. So it's pretty good.
It's pretty good. You just got to change your style up similar situation with the wind walker actually because like if you look at when Walker logs earlier in the week
They were really bad
So I'm guessing the tier situation is like a lot better for this week because you can well trill died
But you know, I feel like while he was alive. He was doing a lot of damage. What you are testing like on Twin fangs
Well when Walker was doing like pretty good. Yeah, I assume it's a tier thing
Right you were able to run the this season's gear and actually do quite a lot of damage
Let's see what drops. Oh boy
Play tier play to your caster weapon pass it over the links disco. Oh, no
No, that's a lot of your red is plate plate your color. I believe it's red. Yeah, well, we got played here at least
So that is that male. Oh, are those male belts? Oh, yeah, but I mean plate tears really really good for Wolf's warrior, right?
We want the big ticket items on the Warriors, so yeah, I could be worse male belt. I'm not
I'm not certain it could be much worse no you definitely don't want doubled up like doubled up items is you know
Yeah, you want doubled up weapons that could be lit
Yeah, I want doubled up trinkets that'd be great, but like not the office. Yeah, I didn't get work with the next run as the THD main run
Hmm. Oh and that one's blessed. Okay, so that one we could see some big loot. It's not even good
But that guy gets lucky every tier, so it's guaranteed to have some crazy a drops.
I'm telling you right now.
Yeah.
But, yep.
Look at that present hooker healing.
It's totally chill.
Yeah.
It's totally fine.
It should be like that.
Yeah.
Little sleeper specs, Shadow Priest.
Oh yeah, true.
They do a lot of damage on some fights, especially the last boss.
Yeah, Shadow Priest actually does a considerable amount of damage to Ulu Tech in the heart.
Think it to do that. It's because they avoid form is like a perfectly lines up the full duration of that
That heart when they have good burst they give PI and you know, you do want burst within the heart burns as well
So yeah, it could be really good. Who's to say yeah
I feel like a spec that's been like sleeper really good march on ship on her. Oh, yeah, dude
Yeah, yeah, yeah off double hunters mark really really good
Uh-huh like pretty much every fight. So if you think that 100 playable you probably think that to
fire up his lily just on some electric scooter just riding through the
venue he actually just kind of passed by like jigsaw on a bike yeah every
single person I've seen ride that thing looks like they don't have any control
over so I have ridden that thing it is incredibly hard to control it just
what takes takes you away it accelerates so fast yeah it doesn't look
like it's easily going back no this guy no he's actually hitting that
No, I had a good thing though.
Wow, very controlled speed.
He is probably the most controlled I've seen on it.
Out of every single person I have seen on it.
He's like a savant with that thing.
Yeah, we've seen not on it.
She does not have any control.
No, no, she doesn't hit things, but she looks like she's going to.
But anything can knock that back over.
Oh, but yeah, anyways, I was gonna say,
I feel like Barcership is one of the most low-key smack
that I didn't anticipate being really strong,
Then it's just like all the two target fights looks really good on double hunters mark seems like it's going to be super valuable
And yeah much every boss as well in a way that you were either going to run zero you're going to run to so it has good cleave
It has good burst, you know even just in Koroko we'll take ourselves
And within our guild our marksmanship hunters were considerably higher than every other spec
Yeah boss damage plus heart combined so it's kind of crazy. Yeah, they snuck their little two target back in there after I got nerfed
It's crazy because they caught a 14% nerf on the PTR, like one of the last couple patches of the PTR
Then everybody left that spec for dead. Everybody's like, oh that spec's gonna be terrible
You can't take a 14% nerf. That's like a too big of a nerf. Yeah
That's so good. I guess it needed the 14% nerf
You can never count out the 100 players and also 100 players is
So like I said about not I have not having control over she's just slammed into a wall
Yeah, oh my gosh the THD main
Yep, this is a big one
THD somehow allowed to play the OG once more
I don't really understand how the OG is his main every other season it feels like well most of the time
Whenever he enters these tiers what he does is he ends up playing his
May or OG as like the first character and he just has this intrinsic luck about him that his first character hits everything
I feel like it's either OG or A right? Yeah, it's one of the two. He takes the beginnings, you know
I think one tier ever
He was playing Jay at one point. I think that might have been last year when we were doing the leapfrog thing
I think that was the last tier. He had two main quality guys
Yeah, well, his his main OG one hit everything the first week and had every single item
but since we existed in that split world, oh he had to choose the character
it was the staggered raid so he was told to spend all of his crest on that character to kill it so that the second character could leapfrog it in the second
that was the heroic crest down conversion thing on the mythic
yeah yeah yeah so selly yeah yeah you don't see that again from them this year
no they got they got patched out no really yeah it's not a thing anymore but they
they very well could have leapfrog characters going into week two
I'm thankful that they got patched up because that strategy was horrible.
Yeah, it's just gonna come down to what's in their vault and what if they take a coin,
what they coin between their characters and then that'll just become their main for a week too.
So it's still very in there. There's no guarantee on which character is being played quite yet.
Yeah, I see.
In theory as well, there's some people that could have two mains or like you have two main quality characters.
You could Vantistrin do different bosses. We saw that a little bit last year and that would be...
Oh yeah, that'd be a little psycho, but I could also...
Look, Vantistrin is worth about what, 3% damage?
Yeah.
If your character sims within 3%,
There you go.
There you go.
I mean, you log on like a...
Lock it in.
And it's a bit better than that as well, because you also get some DR from the advanced turn.
Yeah, I'm dubbing at Clownland, that's what I've been calling it.
That's where we're at right now, with the state of the raid, the state of the splits, the state of the tuning,
and the state of them having multiple characters that they can just do basically anything with,
where we're all up in the air, regarding every single decision we're making.
So...
Is it possible you're punished by this?
Like this doing mythic splits like this?
Only if QldAltar felt killable this week, which I'm going to keep it real with you, not looking good.
I think the only guild that could have really tried to punish in quotation marks like the mythic splits would have been Ekko and they're not going to go.
Well, Talcana method, they killed the Vashnik first in the splits, you know what I mean?
I am more like
Okay, sure
More just like that. So it wasn't going to try to kill a little drama thick whereas echo if they like all end on it
Yeah, it would have been different. I just think that you know
When you're faced with two days left of the raid week and you have twin fangs and coiled altar in your way
And you know the the major major benefit of killing coiled altars
Not only the loop but also getting to see what the last boss looks like before the reset
That's really the reason why you want to push to progression instead of doing splits
It's just a tough feat to kind of like ask for I think twin fangs is gonna put up a considerable fight for these guilds
It's gonna take a few pulls for them to actually get through the kick coordination
Let alone like the damage check or anything else that is required of you of that fight seven stacks of the acid be rough
Kills you I'm gonna think which if any single person ever gets hit one time with the way it's an immediate like there's no
Resolving it whatsoever
So it's very punishing and that would probably take them at least like half of the day like
Optimistically, you know if they're playing well damage check on a file like that as always
Yeah, those kind of fights they lend themselves to having pretty tight damage checks. Yeah, but you know opting into doing
What is it six mythic splits at this point? Sure is a considerably less daunting task for a much significant or a much more significant
guaranteed payoff
The amount of items that they're accruing on their characters right now is increasing their week to power in a way that is
Unheard of outside of just last year
They they I would assume are getting two to three mythic pieces of gear on every single person's playable characters by doing this
Have a pen comment down the chat. Who is the guild of all? I
Don't know the ball and I I've seen them around. It's not the first time but
I haven't seen them that often, but also I'm very out of time.
I think they were like World 15 to 20 last year.
I think it was like 18 or something like that whenever I was looking last year.
I mean, if you're like not a guild that splits a ton, I think 4 of 8 is like a very
good goal to chase after, especially after seeing what method is doing here.
We have an interesting decision though, after they finish all of their bash nicks, if they
are efficient with it and have leftover time, what do they go do?
This is the guild that JB used to be in, on EU, they actually performed quite well in
Manaforge and Mega, AJ used to be right there as well, if you guys are familiar with him,
he might still actually be in the guild.
JB doesn't right there anymore?
JB is back on NA, I don't know.
So JB was the problem the JB was the problem. Yeah, and now now this guild is a world second. Okay. Well, not interesting
Not driven though interesting set of coincidences there
Yeah, very very good
Yeah, it's gonna be interesting what they do after the Vashniks, you know what they opt into yeah
They're either faced with numerous wavecaller or they can go practice his rack
I don't necessarily know if they're gonna kill sis rack in their splits. That seems kind of like a bit of a reach
But there is a merit to at least practicing in a little bit. I think based on time
I there probably won't have that much time. Yeah, I would imagine either they just run out of time and do some
Mythic Plus or they go do Nemrisa maybe in like two groups three groups try to split it
I mean try to all main it. I don't know killing it has some sort of value right. So somebody asked
Just a tsh about numerous and he just laughed them.
Well yeah they nerfed the raid damage of that fight by around 40% is a number and lo
and behold her raid damage is still crazy.
Yeah, they're saying too the damage check is really high.
Yeah, yeah.
Like having to kill the mythic specific adds that are guarding the packs just have a
ridiculous amount of HP and then you need to kill the murlocs while you're getting
bombarded with unbelievable amounts of raid damage.
So yeah, I think like they are three minute wipe the boss is like 68% or something
like that.
Yeah.
Yeah, a little nice minute lair boss. Yeah, could be super super fun. That's cool. Yeah one out of six myth track
Yeah, I think that's probably the most criminal thing about it the the gear that it drops is just
So bad for how difficult it is that it feels bad to even go and do it. Yeah
It's funny very funny boss funny tier funny funny tier we're in clown land. Yeah, wait. Oh, so this is a fresh one
Yeah, so this is their last remaining run that has to go all the way through Vashnik.
So we have the potential for a lot of big items here across a lot of different bosses.
Oh my god, steak is premium tonight.
Steak, mashed potatoes, carrots, and Brussels fries.
Oh my gosh, premium steak.
Oh my gosh, that should be so good.
And mashed taters?
What's taters precious?
mind if I do. Is that Charles or is that... No, it's Smeagol. Wait, Smeagol became Southern?
Well, I wasn't trying to do his voice. Okay. Well, you're kind of hitting the Charles there a little bit.
What's Tager's precious? Potatoes? How about them Boilum, Mashrum, Stickum, and a stew?
Anyone? Anyone? No, I get it. Yeah, I get the reference. You know, I just don't really have
much to add to it. I don't do a good enough impression to replicate it or even try. Chat
would just roast me, so I don't want to engage. My impressions are few and far between, I can
only do a few of them, and that's not one I'd specialize in. My talent points haven't
been spread that wide.
Yeah, actually, my Charles voice is like, it's a little bit taken from my Zaris impression.
My Zaris impression is funny because it doesn't sound anything like him, so I
I just do a Mickey Mouse voice.
I miss it.
A Mickey Mouse voice that just curses a lot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We've established I can do a decent Kermit, but it takes us a considerable amount of effort
for me to do it.
A little Kermit.
And sometimes I start off real bad and then I'll like warm up into it, you know.
I'm not sure if I can get the voice.
Tough one.
It's hard to hold the voice in that one.
Hey, Miss Piggy.
No, I don't think I'll hit it.
Well, we're back into some medic spots.
Huh, I don't think that...
Hold on, it's also really, really hard when the...
Look, I'm gonna close my eyes.
Hold on.
I have to, like, kind of move the headphones off my head
to hear my own voice.
Hey, Miss Piggy, would you like to come back to my place?
Well, we seem to be finding ourselves
staring down this collie the sword for once again
as we go into liquid six foot of the day.
No, see, I can't do it right now.
That is not like...
I'm off, no, I'm off right now.
I'm not hot right now.
I'm not hot right now.
I'm not hot right now.
Yeah, I don't think I can...
If you if you watch the last liquid dock, I did a decent serviceable one there, but yeah now I'm a little off
I can do a good go for me gorsh
Yo
Yeah, the hard part is saying other things, you know gorsh Sora. Yeah, we got to get the heartless
There's a clip of jet with you if you want
Jed, I think it was the Nyalotha race and you had to do a British impression and
It was very good
Sometimes it's good sometimes it's bad
Like sometimes like if you ever seen that episode of it's always sunny in Philadelphia where one of the characters
Like he does a good British accent in his like head in his delusion
But then he like at the end of the episode he tries to actually do it in real life and it's completely messed up
He's like
Storpe chore Lee this game has gone out long enough. Ah shit. He realized he messed it up. I
Can do an angry Donald Duck, but I can't do anything else is Donald Duck
A little bit of like the I
Don't know what accent this would even be would it be like a just like a cocky accent
Hey, mate, we're doing some split runs, mate.
Yeah.
Back again with Nescali, this whole coiler.
What is this nonsense?
In it.
Oh, we're pissing off a lot of people right now.
We're pissing off a lot of British people right now.
Now they're all asleep, bro.
Nah, there's got to be some late night ones, you know?
They got to be up right now.
I'm trying to think of other impressions
that I can do.
I'm really orc THD is this some kind of heartless
Jets Jets goofy is iconic we used to have a soundboard of it
For a good minute. Yeah. Yeah, isn't it the the line he the line he says when
In Kingdom Hearts 1 when you win like a match in the Coliseum. Yeah, who's not bad, huh?
Oh man, we should hit like an entire Goofy cast.
Hey it's Goofy.
I can't wait to see what drops in this split.
Okay.
The varied Mickey line is also from Kingdom Hearts and Kingdom Hearts 2 when the spoiler
like a rock lands on Goofy's head and knocks him off for a little bit and they like think
he's dead.
I actually do have a decent force comp, hold on.
Well it seems that they have teased the Vashnit boss a little bit.
What?
Dude, it's actually so hard to do a single impression with these headphones on my head.
I feel like I can't hear myself and then I go way off.
That's not sounding like a good accent.
No, no, no, it's actually impossible.
I can't hear myself whatsoever.
It does sound like, you guys have to take,
it sounds like a, it sounds like a,
it sounds like fog horn, leg horn, like a,
I've gone for like three accents now
and with on all three so bad.
So I'm sitting here, dude,
I'm sitting here saying that I'm good at impressions
and I've shit my pants three times in a row
so no one believes me,
but I promise you I'm good at impressions.
It's, the acoustics are all bad right now.
I can't hear myself
and it's making me really, really do a weird
little funk to it.
I'm just not gonna try again, you know, okay, you just can't leave it be no no the impressions are funny when they're bad
Yeah, you have to like keep doing them
Yeah, just come into the bit a little bit
Yeah, no, I think I'm I think I'm tapped out for now those who know know you know
Those who have been privileged enough to hear my impressions know that I'm good at them
Yeah, oh, yeah, Frank's got a crazy Obama one. He only spams one line. Let me be clear
Yeah, let me be clear and then you go like all the way goes like Michelle then he says I'm Barack Obama
But it like he doesn't sound anything like it. He doesn't see you immediately type Michelle
I would say I'm a good Barack, but I can't do it right now. I'm
Got a lot of heat on me right now a lot of critics. Yeah, gotta gotta lay low for a little bit officer watching. Yeah
Yep
The sad part is is even if I hit a really really good impression
I think people could gaslight me into thinking that it's bad. Yeah, cuz I have a bad little streak going right now
Can you hit a Magni impression?
Magni or Bran I'm better at Bran
Both are good. Oh, I championed and opened this to me. I'm at a bunch of trouble
I have an impression of old Wayne
I would have a question of Wayne, like right after he takes a really long puff from a cigarette.
He goes,
Yeah!
Ha!
That's a good one, right?
That one's good, right?
I can spontaneously do Arnold falling down to Sarah Caste for like half a second.
Yeah.
You know, like he just got surprised a little bit.
yeah that one
i could do a good uh... troll when it you know the definition
uh...
well that's really good
really really really good
that was amazing
i can also do a good troll, Amani troll from ZA, their death animation is different
DAAAAAAA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That's actually good.
This might be the best one so far.
Oh my god dude you're so good at trolls.
Yeah.
HAHAHAHA
The DA is insane.
Yeah.
I think I do Stormwind Guard.
King's Honor friend.
King's Honor friend.
Can I help you?
Can you get the Orc Beyond?
What is the poop?
No more.
Job's done.
Job's done.
Job's done.
Oh dude, yeah.
Job's done hits.
Yeah.
So that's a classic.
Try it in true.
Job's done.
Yeah, like I can do good, um, Malphirian and Hurtson.
I must protect the wild.
That's like Malphirian if he was a geek.
That's literally the line that he says in Hurtson.
I know.
He is a geek too.
Let's not get that to us that he is a loser.
but like, you know, he sounded like a little pathetic.
He got bullied in school a little bit.
Well, you know, Malfurion, he was kind of a dork.
Yeah.
He is like the OG loser of WoW, considering how powerful he is.
Well, is he a loser?
Because he got like the biggest night of fatty out there.
Yeah.
Anyone's a loser, it's his brother.
What?
His brother?
There's no way.
Dude, his brother's like a...
Oh, Toronto.
Oh, Taranda.
Why must you, why must you choose my brother over me?
That's how he sounds.
Yeah?
Yeah.
He's not his scars or anything like that?
No, no, no, no, no.
He goes to, he goes that direction later, but like at the time he's like, oh, please
pick me, Taranda, please.
The other one always sounds like he's out of breath a little bit, you know.
Yeah.
Just like he ran up a flight of stairs, he's like, I will do what must be done.
I think a lot of voice acting recently is kind of like that. There's a lot of pauses in between words
If we are to beat
I think the audible breath thing is so real. Yeah, for sure. There's like those really weird pauses in between words
I don't really like it
Can you do a good Arthas?
this the city must be purged now I can't I used to do so many Hearthstone ones
like from season one season two Hearthstone yeah but I can't like remember
a lot of the car lines obviously like the most iconic one everyone get in here
Yeah, that's great.
That was eight-voice slug of all time.
That was great.
Yeah, that one's like the most iconic one, right?
Or, like, there's that car that's like a goblin rocketeer.
It has charge, you know, and she goes,
I'm flying!
Bro, I think if this casting thing doesn't work out, I got a great career pivot for you.
It could be a voice actor. Yeah, that would hit.
Can really hit some high notes too.
Yeah.
Kind of impressive.
Yeah.
I'm trying to think of some more.
I'm trying to get.
Listen, we've got to make this interesting, all right?
This is the third, or not third.
This is like the eighth next Zolli that we've received.
And yeah, we're trying to make content out of nothing.
We're hitting impressions until it dies,
and then we're locking in real quick,
getting excited about loot for about 10 seconds,
and then going back into it.
Dopamine.
Yeah.
Oh, speaking of, we're about to walk in.
We're about to walk in.
All right, what do we want?
Healer trinket?
Healer trinket, for sure.
Why is the week we're talking about what I got
No, that's not the end dagger. No plate double plate though double plate. That's like that look the end dagger could be worse
Who's the plate so I need to know
What about black wing technician I think she does
My work is paramount.
Leave me alone.
That's actually so close to the actual voice itself.
Oh my god.
That way to say it.
Oh my god, that was so good.
Aw dude, what did they...
Maybe goblets are your specialty.
Oh, Floodgate. The second boss.
The duo.
I can't remember what you said.
We always used to say something crazy.
I can't remember.
Ha something like that
It's like three little successive screams something like that. Yeah, man. What was it? What about a
Squire attend me ready, sir
That's the hurt zone the Argent Argentinians a squire
You guys ever do the first boss with the voice lines one. Yeah, she hits it titles
No, oh you need to turn it on she it's a crazy chant when she's casting in vote
I have I have voice-ins on I don't have them like no
She's like throwing her hands up in there like this you go. Oh la tech. Oh la tech
Yeah, oh la tech like over and over and over again the entire time. It's sick. Yeah
What else we got in the tank
Trying to think the cards I'm trying to go back and think about the cards
Those are the ones I used to like I would just sit at my desk anytime a card would get someone I'd just say it
No one is there to hear me. I have a lot of quotables from League of Legends, but like, you know again
I'm hot or I'm cold right now impressions, and I'm usually on a good day
I'm still like awful little I can't remember what the told to go or boss, but the one with the barrels
He hit the
Oh dude, siege a Browse, behind the tentacle.
Help! Don't let this beast eat me! Get this thing off me! Help! Help! Help! Help!
This guy's toast.
Oh man. What a great game.
It's game rules.
I can't believe people don't play like uh voice lids on. No voice lids are good man. They're good for like performance reasons too. Sometimes bosses say stuff for like specific mechanics.
You ever just talk to a dwarf NPC? Aye. Fancy a pint.
We don't really have many other characters that have like fun little voices though
Yeah, Magni I mean I think that guy is iconic
Champion they're mining us right from the world's open wounds. I used to stop to it. My my biggest problem is
Yeah, that was really good. I'm having trouble remembering some lines
Mm-hmm. Uh, cuz I used to do so many in night hole like the high botanist
I used to do so many oh my god the bot bot is like spammed voice. Yeah. Yeah, I can't even remember. It was like a
I think it's been like grow right or something. Yeah, yeah, like a bunch of stuff. He had like
Can you sound like a nerd?
That was like the thing that was funny because he had like all these like serious lines
But he sounded obviously supposed to be like a nerd like that's no they were going he's a botanist. Yeah, they're going for that
So like he sounded very nerdy, but uh, yeah, I couldn't remember
I can't remember some some of the ones that I used to do
That part was insane. Yeah, dude, you had a good Draxus. I feel like you'd be a good Drax
You face Draxus every Lord of the Burn. I could do Draxus, but I think I don't like doing those kind of lines
these kids to yell it's like teachers too much on the yelling yeah you like the
more like sinister I like I'll not know what I like is it when you yell too much
dude you can't like you know inflect and have these like certain you know
qualities of the voice yeah it just sounds like he's just screaming
that's like that's all he's doing
We're not yelling all that much.
Yeah.
It would be fun to do a, I am God King Skolvald.
No, I have proven my worth, Odin.
It is I, God King Skolvald.
Oh, I hate that guy.
That guy's so stupid.
Yeah.
Can you do a good Sylvanas?
No, I can't do Sylvanas.
No, she does the little raspy thing to you where she's out of breath all the time.
I can't do it, so I pitch that up, but I will not be attempting it.
You know what I mean? That's out of my forte.
Okay, good Caggar.
Good Caggar.
I think he seems riding dirty doesn't he?
Yeah.
Oh no, I'm in a wheelchair.
That could be like one of Kakar's lines.
No.
Well, okay, first of all, it is a...
What was this information that he's in a wheelchair?
Well, like, actually...
What was the category line on the Kil'Jayton fight?
He was like...
They're not Kil'Jayton.
Arkham on fire.
He was like screaming out the burning legion, right?
Oh yeah, he has the line in that fight.
He has the line in the Gouldan fight.
Oh, I think I'm maybe confusing the two here.
I don't even remember what even is the line of the goldene fight.
CatGugger gifted a magical wheelchair and he's just sitting in it out of kindness.
He doesn't really need to use it.
Oh really? Yeah.
So he's just a plight.
He's just being nice.
Yeah, it's like getting a sweatshirt that you don't really like Christmas.
Yeah, you know, like a potential sweetheart gifted him a magical wheelchair.
Oh my god, what about iGammon will save us?
Yeah. Potential sweetheart, you know?
Gammon?
Gammon?
iGammon will save us.
Not bad.
Not bad.
Can't get a good thrall
Thrall?
Yeah
That one's tough
That one's tough because his lines are so boring
Yeah, it's also deep
Yeah
Yeah
It's really throaty, the thrall, please
Yeah
Oh, you'll know this one?
Yeah
GORIANA! GIVE THEM HELL!
We're messing with Blackhorn
Yeah, that's a good one
I go
Oh
Jet mm-hmm, can you do a good one somdi one somdi that one's tough. Hmm that one's a tough one
I don't know there's not like a line of his that speaks me like a really good
Okay, he's a really good voice like he's a sick character
But yeah, there's not like a line from him that sticks out to me try this one right here
I remember the gas level on it's like
No, no, okay, there's a line actually of his that I did used to imitate
You come to spend some quality time with one
That's good. That was really good. I
Was almost going to work with it. Yeah, you were it started. It started off dwarf. Yeah
Wait, oh someone in chat said that was good. Okay, dude. I've got my confidence. Yeah, maybe I can do impressions
I just remember like Yasma at the end of a toddler being like, there's a what are you doing? Oh
They go say as you like pulled the boss, you're like what is going on?
God.
What are good Bonsambi quotes?
Like he's not going to do that character.
Well, what I got to do is I got to revisit like my Hearthstone cards and just find the
ones that I used to do and come back on the next ship and just start rallying them out.
I have no context to the other.
What about a turtle that was made it to the water?
A turtle that was made it to the water.
Who the hell is that?
Who the hell is that?
I could not imagine that was right.
That one's not really right.
Yeah
Tartan has made it to the water
What's up?
The cycle of life can be cruel
Aw dude
He really can
What are some one zombie quotes man?
This guy is this notable but doesn't say anything notable?
I can't remember what he said
He kind of just says the same kind of stuff all the time
Yeah
Oh, Boomi's frames are so funny when there's a bleed on there
Yeah, and this boss bleeds the whole raid, so it just turns all red.
Yeah.
Ha ha ha!
You know the shield goes between you and the enemy, right?
That's a good boss on me.
Yeah.
Hmm.
Hmm.
I'm trying to think of some ones that I'm like...
You got any Xalatath ones in your bag?
No, I actually don't. I actually have a lot of
things like that because she just stops, she never stops yapping at my keys, man.
Dude, yeah, she's literally just always on you. Always wanting me to like feed and
all that. Feed! Feed!
What is the actual thing that she says though? It's like way
more erotically charged than just, you know?
She says like a bunch more
Well named this boss you will show the proper respect
Is
Goofy are the lost explorers. No, it's it's it's goofy cosplaying as Taren Gorfie
It's way more fun to just do boss books as goofy
George I am my scores
You are not prepared
Yuck!
Yuck! Frostborn Hungers!
Gorse, I think this entire city needs to be parked!
Chad, we need to hurry it up and get out of bed.
Rain clown man!
Somehow it splits into the plastic way longer than we thought they were going to.
We've propped impressions for two hours.
What?
It could be a long horse.
We could be fighting them.
So we'd call us who's doing a tru-
Wee!
They might have written on the truck.
You just beasted on me because I was about to do a Mickey boss impression.
Really?
Yeah.
I just stole that from you?
Yeah.
That's actually my bad.
It's okay.
Now go ahead.
It's time for another experiment.
I can't wait to see if Kebbo drops his bullet.
see if Cabo drops his bag off this boss.
Why did he have to say this was your Barack Obama impression?
Well, it's Mickey Mouse doing a Barack Obama impression.
Oh, OK.
Oh, oh, oh, Michelle.
Well, I can't clarify.
They smoke that boss.
I think they just started their raid.
I remember.
Wait, who?
ID.
They just killed four of eight.
Oh, check it out.
On the leaderboard.
yeah they killed the um...
they killed the entomb sentels after eleven attempts which is actually kinda insane that fight did so much damage
yeah
what was their split situation
i think they did five splits
five i think
that's a lot
that's a lot of splits
that is their their go-to their go-to is five
i wonder if uh... oh i'm not signed in on my phone
that's so big
Do you think that artifact power, if they brought it back with Solvus Blitz?
Nope.
No, sir.
Nope.
Absolutely not.
They might, what they would do is like, calculate a certain breakpoint of leveling their, you know, like whatever artifact item, like if it existed during the, you know, the neck, and then they'd be like, get to here on all your guys.
It would probably, would it not reduce the number?
It would reduce, for sure. For sure it would reduce.
Yeah.
um
because uh
It would be there would be a riot if you had to do this man. You know what artifact power would do though. Mm-hmm make me quit
Probably be right out of it. I need 10 pulls
On on bashing it. That's there we go 10 10 10 good pulls. They're not they're not doing any mythic splits, right?
There's all man. No, no, it's all means. Yeah, so they're gonna they're actually just gonna start pulling scissors
Oh, oh, oh, oh
Oh turtle disaster. They were just
They were so
They had so much hubris during lunch. They were like this boss is unwipable, and they're actually probably not gonna wipe still Scott Scott died to the ring
It's okay. It's actually this boss is unwipable unwipable. Oh, it's definitely very white. Well, they think it's unwipable. Well
They got close
Well, they said it is unwipable. It looks like it's unwipable. Yeah, it is a little on there
They're still very far away from the rage as well. The bosses are shielded
Hold on. Don't worry.
Let's see you back.
Let's see you back.
Let's see you back.
Give me the bag.
Gebo, Gebo.
Pass it over.
Boom, man. It's nothing.
No, Gebo.
Tank trinket and a shield.
It's absolute garbage.
Tank trinket and a shield.
Gonna split with no shield tank.
Well, what tier is that?
Blue one. Is blue one cloth?
I'm confidently gonna make it up that it is cloth.
Okay.
I have no idea.
Mouse over it. Come on.
You know you want to...
That was quick. That was cloth.
Oh, it's absolute garbage.
Well actually, hold on, yeah, the shield could go to a...
A holy paladin?
A holy paladin, that's actually not bad.
Or an elemental shaman.
It is...
Oh, do you even consider that one?
A restoration shaman.
Or a restoration shaman.
Okay, so we've got multiple different options for the shield.
I forgot people use those.
But...
Yes?
I can't imagine that as like, particularly valuable.
I think that like...
No.
Mythic offhands in particular are not...
Uh, a super high value.
Yeah, all things considered to the tank trinket itself,
you would look at it in a vacuum and be like okay well like the tanks aren't
gonna necessarily want it right but you can very well just give that to a DPS
player and let them save crates crests so it is good because they have had a lot of
plate drop off the first boss they had helm drop which is a good item that
bootstrap which is a good item now they can give the the tank trinket and
it'll save them crests in the long run this could be potentially a good plate
seed they're still gonna kill in tomb sentinels and in tomb sentinels
drops the strength two-hander yeah so this could be a make-or-break
plate split well interesting enough is why I think all the tanks actually
want like the DPS trinkets if you want like the key and stuff like that right
yeah they don't actually want to use tank trinkets although this is this leap or
hammer hard to tell I think it's leap I think it's the one with all the funky
characters right yeah yeah if it is leap you have to hit it with the right
cadence though it's yeah yeah like that I think we get a BOE mob here next right
Fright maw yeah fright maw the big old dog
Yeah, here's your entire group. I don't know if it's fright maw or fright something, but I don't maw sounds right
I feel like the first word is definitely fright. Let's find out
Oh, oh judges on cooldown. He's that big dog. It is fright maw the dog. Okay, right maw. That makes sense
I got feared off this platform last night. Yeah all the way off to the left
I mean this guy's a shiesty little doggie. He knocks you back and he fears you. Yeah
Apparently there's this island over here where lip is going to yes, and there's this slime that you could activate it walks around with you as
Your friend for the remainder of time. Oh, really?
I'm not really sure what it look at this Wow the tech
No, I don't know what it does, but it was a 60 minute buff and he just follows you around
I wonder if it's for an achievement. It's probably an achievement
But he needs a hero. He needs a rescue.
You know you can macro pings by the way? This ping reminded me of that. You can macro pings to abilities.
You can do like a self ping and then type the spell name to like ping yourself.
Looks like who he's trying to rescue him.
So like if you're a pro warrior, you can do like slash self ping spell reflection
and then macro it to spell reflect. So you tell your group that you're reflecting a cast.
Yeah we'll spell themself.
Yeah man you guys didn't listen to any of that.
But yeah, I'm locked in that's a little tidbit for chat. Oh, he might fall down there too. He's going for it though
Look at him. He's what he said
It's like
My ears don't work. Oh Nick's coming over now. Oh smacked. It's coming over now boomies range is too small
Get someone anyways, you know anybody gonna be oh my god. We gotta be we go go back go back
It's
Play BOE. It's a great plate seed. I'm telling you this is the plate run. What are the stats though? Goodness. Who cares dude? It's mythic gear
Plate gear. What are the... could still be bad. The plate run that was promised. It could still be bad
We've got three pieces of plate gear and a trinket. That's actually really good as well because so these BOEs are actually
Bind on pickup
They will they will bind straight to your character and not be tradable if they are your armor type
So the fact that boomie got a different armor types BOE means that it is in fact tradable, which is much more valuable
Yeah, I mean, you know you think of what you want to leave a mythic split with and you're looking at like one
Two mythic items like if you're unlucky
I mean two is good once kind of unlucky. I mean zero is just like, you know
You got completely screwed like three or four is like wow you had a good run
We're already at four. Okay. What the what track does it drop at?
uh... the daily yet one out of six
it's hard to let it is in the red
yet but it's that's totally fine one out of six means that you're guaranteed to
save all of your request upgrades to that all come on it's it's not bad come on
my it's not bad
that's a bunch of a lot of it's not bad
is this the txt block name
run as well
who allegedly
the cloth here's not been
I guess there was a cloth here token, which is actually not bad.
Yeah, he's uh...
And he had an empty hacker, I mean he's not the worst.
It's serviceable, he's still got Vashnik to kill, he's still got 2% to kill, so there is still a redeemable quality to it.
That's the beauty of splits, there's always the potential of more.
Yeah, yeah.
Not only more runs, but also more gear.
Oh, Lordy.
Lordy, we're coming up to a tough boss here.
Oh, yuck!
The first DPS check of the split.
I can't do the groupie anymore.
I'm just gonna go away from that and just reserve my impressions for Mickey doing a new bomb impression
Let me be clear Michelle. Oh
My fellow Americans. Let me be clear
We have walked up to him to him sentinels and we're hoping for a strength to hinder
Now I don't like the face you're making yeah, you don't like that one. I think AI has gone too far
Yeah
As do we far you know what else has gone too far the state of the race world first when it comes to split
I'm I'm in like I agree with that lock in on that one. Yep
Is this even I don't anything's as fixable right I think this is just some reasonable first off. No
Unfortunately, we are not going to get away from that and something else. We're not gonna get away from is Chad's copypasta
Echo and ironically thinks they can win the race against THD a man who has a daily intake of 450 grams of pure lean protein
Feeding his bulging muscles and 200 billion brain neurons, the electricity this man generates from perfectly executing his rotation with 100% uptime is enough to power the whole liquid facility.
Who does Echo have?
Jinji, don't make me laugh. I think we all know who wins this.
Hmm...
Not bad.
We've had better copypastas in our day though. I feel like that's really low hanging fruit. I'm not gonna lie.
Chad, what do you guys think about procking a pop-up raid?
Oh, here we go, dude!
Oh, here we go!
I knew it was coming man.
Hear me out, hear me out.
Ah, Jesus.
I'm just going to say about that.
Your S thoughts.
You look at a Guilt's Raider IO page, and they say things like no over timing.
Yeah.
We're always going to have fun.
Yeah.
These are our listed raid days.
Okay, the second one there was crazy.
Tuesday, Thursday, Thursday.
What do you go and think, whatever they have a pop-up raid day perhaps, to kill
Heroic Oolitech?
Oh my gosh, as you can see on screen right here.
Rock! Rock!
Rock!
Rock!
Rock!
Dude, come on dude!
You see that? I think it's like the sixth line on the screen.
Come on, dude!
Come on!
Come on!
Alright, can I defend myself a little bit?
Of course, no.
Alright, here we go. We are 12 hour a week guilt.
We have three designated red days of four hours a piece.
We have finished our red day yesterday
yesterday in our 10th poll it was like at the end of our raid day our very last
poll we went that 0.7% okay right our raid's done for the week okay yeah I
finished my first casting segment and I have five hours until my next one okay
am I gonna go do a temple for five hours or altar for five hours until my next
shift no absolutely not I would want to die if that was the case so all I was
thinking was okay listen people are at work or something people aren't gonna
be around whatever what if I do a little pop-up raid and then any of
my friends who want to come will come, right?
And I'm expecting 10 people to show up, right?
We're gonna go 10 minutes with a tech or something like that.
Maybe I got like a curio, I don't know.
Something a little light.
Something a little light.
Stop typing zero over time.
It's not typed, that's a screenshot.
Yeah, okay, okay.
Stop making it big!
Oh my God, okay, anyways, anyways, this is a popup.
This is a pug for all intents and purposes, right?
We're not handling loot the same way.
It's all just free rolls.
We're just playing the game to have fun
to pass the time.
And if clerical is like that, why not?
I send a little feeler ping out to see who's going to show up to it.
Turns out, turns out, 24 people within Guild are just sitting around waiting to play the
game.
And we can't be helped, dude, we're like all recovering addicts who have otherwise come
from a setting in which we play the game in a degenerate way where we're constantly
online all the time.
May I ask a question on the floor?
Is Judge Lippis-Hams available to arbitrate this?
This is some coping.
Okay, but here's the part.
the part where he gets a little bit lost in the sauce. We end up going in where we
pull Heroical Attack, right? We have a bunch of friends that are just there, you know,
Jett is not our friend apparently, so he doesn't want to come. He just said no,
absolutely not. We kill it, we roll off all the loot. I don't hit anything except
Trinket, the Font of Endomus Rage. Fantastic things are happening. And then
Evade, oh my god, this guy just goes, uh, what's the first boss? Mythic
Mechanics? And already I'm like, I'm out dude. He was in the raid? Yeah, he just
Did you guys pull next Ali? Yeah, that is hold on dude. Let me get there
They didn't he just he just entered the raid by himself and was like what was the first mythic mechanic and then everybody
Everybody everybody just started following him in and then we ended up pulling the first boss and killing the first boss do
Now to the floor. He's judge liquid man. I'm an arbitrator in the case
versus
RIO posted hours.
The claimant here is claiming that Atlas of Guild Lucid
is claiming that their guild does 0 overtime, 0 PTR,
and grades a very strict Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday
schedule according to their Warcraft Logs page.
Tuesday, Thursday, Sunday.
Tuesday, Thursday, Sunday schedule.
According to their Warcraft Logs page,
not only do they zone into ULTEC and kill it on Heroic,
but also kill Nexali on Mythic on Monday.
Welcome to the floor, Judge Liquid Cams.
Thank you, thank you, Teddles.
So I did review some of the documents that were sent in.
Do I not get an open statement?
No, that was...
No, not in this court.
Okay.
This is not precious.
Okay.
So I reviewed them,
and I do like the argument of a pop-up raid.
Yeah.
And I do agree with that.
But I've been looking for pugs all day long.
I sit right next to you and I got no invite.
Guilty.
Oh, can't!
Overtime.
Overtime?
Yes, if I was in there,
Then I could verify that this is a true rule.
How come every single thing that requires me to have some sort of judgment or someone judging
me, the PvP tournament and this, is entirely based on the premise of bribery?
Your honor, what is the punishment?
Brock took five bucks.
I get next week's couriers from your guild.
Glad to be known.
Claiming Curios from our guild.
That's the punishment?
Yeah.
We're going to have to do some overtime to make that work.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
So that is retroactively this week not overtime?
If the same stipulation applies to next week's?
No, that's the punishment.
No, because you're trying to get out of this through some sort of loophole.
That's not true.
Okay.
Well, can I also just clear the air a little bit?
have updated our information based off of the crimes that we've committed and we
have a bullet point that says overtime sometimes and then parentheses
recovering degenerate shit okay that will be good moving forward yeah but as
it has been committed yeah that's totally they don't get a retroactively
absolved okay I'll see what we can do about the car guys see you tomorrow okay
See you tomorrow
The zoning at the back is actually so funny dude. Yeah, he just left the charge everyone followed him shut up, man
You're like all evade he just zoned in and we had no choice but to join
Trash it was just clear the boss it was in combat and we were fighting it
He forced us to zone in and he forced us to kill the boss and target and then take the loot
And we took what was rightfully ours. He forced me to loot that plate helm that I was very happy
I'm not gonna lie did it hitting the plate helm. That's my best that felt great. Oh
Man, okay. Well evade official message in our discord says the best rate schedule for me is whenever I feel like it
That was his response.
What did Dacer say about this?
Oh, well, you know, we've all been making jokes about how it's a slippery slope, right?
Because our expectations are just, you know, we're playing in a casual guild.
We're not requiring people to spam it plus 24-7.
You don't have to, like, be max geared or have any rush to do so.
Like, you just show up playing with your friends and have some fun.
But you know, it is a slippery slope.
You just start adding a little bit here and there.
And now the slide just has full on grease.
you're launching off of that thing catapult style almost and honestly it
feels like you went to like AA and after the meeting somebody just has a keg in
their trunk and then you're just all meeting up and having a little drink
yeah yeah I remember before this guild was made Kevin was talking about like oh
man it sucks that there isn't like a guild like Encore used to be you know
rated like a very small amount had a lot of players and then now you see why
Why those guilds don't exist anymore because playing the game just freaking owns, dude.
Dude, we just can't help it.
It's just fun.
We just have a lot of available time right now and we want to play the game.
I mean, that evade quote is so real.
The best way of time is whatever I want to.
Yeah, whatever I feel like it.
But we try to adhere to our little 12 hour, you know.
But pop-up, what's wrong with a little pop-up?
Pop-up never hurt anybody.
Well, the term pop-up rate is also dominant.
Yeah, well it came from sod you know what I mean you'd like log on you got nothing to do
You know why not just throw up a little pop up black wing where the Brad term from ID?
Yeah, well a little quick little pop-up raid. Yeah, it's it's tough
You know what I mean? We no longer have a slippery slope gone right now. We just basically are freefall might as well
I'll just say a little pop-up progression little pop-up progression. Yeah, but it
Okay
Look everybody was on anyways
If if you went into that raid right and you didn't have the purpose of it being like a scheduled normal official
Mandatory raid we did the raid without a druid buff or a muck buff. Okay. Wow. Well, I guess no
I guess I count for anything. Okay. Well, let's guess it's a pop-up rate if you didn't have a druid buff. Yeah, that's what I'm saying
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I feel like it makes it a little better
But I've got the raid buffs dude like come on. It's not that serious
judge cam says rule to me that's fine yeah you've been ruled yeah I've been
having so much fun casting people have been asking me all the time it's like
are you having fun casting you feeling like you know it's an enjoyable thing
I'm like yeah it feels pretty natural to me I feel like I'm having a good time
that time is passing by not this shift dude I'm under fire the entire time all
your impressions are ass you're doing overtime oh my god nobody said that
about your questions about yourself I know I've been reading chat every
single time I've done an impression they just dot dot dot that was the
that was the first mistake is reading chat
yeah no no I chat is full of intellectual scholars 500 IQ everybody and there's a doctor
you know
Alice really did just retire all so that he could do overtime rating that's true
see dot dot dot there it is wow yeah you can take the player out of the race world first but
you can't take the race world first out of the player you really can that's what you really can
look how many how many race world four more face world race world first competitors do
do you have in your guild?
Former?
Yeah.
A lot.
Like, Rating and Liquid, or like Rating Incidental,
or Rating and Midwinter, because we got a lot of all of those.
RaceWorld First is up for interpretation, as you might see it.
You were the person who probably has the most say
as to what it classifies here.
I would say people who rated seriously almost,
like seriously in the context of being a guild that's
pushing ranks very seriously on a world ranking scale,
almost the entire roster has come from a background of that.
That kind of caliber or experience, you know what I mean?
I for what have not shocked that this was a,
this pop-up rate has occurred.
Yeah, I'm not shocked at all.
Also Jet got invited and Jet goes,
all right, I'll show up to your pop-up rate
if I can roll on your loot.
No, no, no, no, I, well,
they wanted to allocate the loot evenly
as if we would have done during a raid and i said that is ludicrous this is a
pop-up we're just re-rolling all
that was my stipulation i said i will not go up unless that's the case
jet did finally say i'm gonna show up and take all the loot
but little did he know that was the established norm of what the spirit of
the pop-up will listen i remember uh... you reading out a comment from kevin
that's like
well jet just said in i'd be discovered that he's going to come in and take
all that
Yeah, and as you know, the response to that was, I don't care.
That was the second part of that sentence, but you conveniently left out.
Alright.
Twisting the facts a little bit, you know?
Spinning the narrative a little bit.
Are you having fun reading, Atlas?
Yeah, it's super, super, super fun.
It's weird though.
Like, it's really weird. It takes a really big sort of...
mental reset for me to show up in these heroic weeks
and feel like my character is good at not having every single item off of Heroic equipped
on every single slot.
So you're having like retool mentally like what it means to have fun raiding?
Well not even fun, but just like what is expected, because I went from playing DPS and having
almost every single piece I would want out of splits to I have a pair of boots and I'm
a tank so I have nothing to look forward to.
That's a big switch up, you know?
Like I'm not going to get loot and I didn't get loot.
I'm over two.
I got no potential there.
I mean, even if you're playing DPS, it's kind of like with only two splits. It's a little bit of a crapshoot. Yeah
Yeah, so that that's been a little bit different, but I mean I was so burnt out after the last race so getting
The availability within my guild to outside of Papa Braids does not play the game. He's been really really nice. Yeah. Yeah, I
Get to have a social life outside of the game, you know, that is we play World of Warcraft
We don't have to lie to one another
That's a self-report look hey, I live a well-balanced life. I'm out there
Yeah, I live a well-balanced life as well. I log into World of Warcraft for eight hours a day every single day and have a good time
Me too. I just lie about the
Part of your job look I'm bowels and how much fun I'm having
You know guy like me I update documents for a living and this guy fills bottles. I don't fill the bottles
I drained them. Oh, he drains the bottles. I'm draining those a drains of bottles. Yeah
I'm draining those bottles and do things with bottles you couldn't even fathom. Yeah, yeah bottle boy
That's my official role and Excel spreadsheet hates to see you coming. Oh, yeah
Actually, I hate to see Excel spreadsheet coming
but
We're not we're not here to trauma dump about our jobs now. We're here to trauma dump about other things
Yeah, like a overtime rating and
Mythic splits can we also not use banned words like that over time job job. Oh, yeah
Sorry, sorry.
It evokes a bad feeling.
Job and work, band.
Oh.
Almost there in reference to something.
What does Alice do?
Alice is a doctor.
I'm not a doctor.
I'm not a doctor.
Alice is a doctor.
Every, I always find it so amusing
reading random comments of like what I do
because it progressively gets more involved
in some sort of serious thing that I am very much not.
Like someone said that,
I remember reading this comment randomly,
they're like, dude, he's like an attending surgeon
And I have no idea how he manages to manage that during the day and do race world first
print.
Is he attending?
I was like, dude, what?
Like, when did that happen?
I have a bachelor's.
That's all I've got.
Like, what's going on?
Bachelor degree?
For a time, I was trying to get into dental school, but you know what?
I failed.
I did not accomplish that.
But then they go wild with it.
They go, you know, he is a dentist.
Like, he runs his own clinic.
He's got a little 8 to 5.
He runs his own clinic.
Yeah.
actions in the morning and running and doing.
Call yourself a microbiologist.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm out there playing with the dirty stuff.
I would definitely not call you micro.
Yeah.
I think you're kind of jacked.
Are you flirting with me?
No, no, no.
I'm just saying how it is.
OK.
Well, thank you.
But what I'm working with is definitely micro.
Oh, yeah.
That thing is teeny tiny.
You can see it.
Little diseases and stuff like that.
I hope that's what you're referring to.
What?
Uh-oh!
Math problem!
Oh!
Red alert!
Red alert!
Red alert!
Two less, two! Math problem, four!
No!
GG, no.
The problem is, too, once you mess it up, once one person messes it up, it's like four
people messing up.
Yeah.
It's jover, it's jover.
Can we set the record straight on what I actually do?
Yeah.
Go ahead.
So that we don't do this like old doctor spit that.
I feel like that's stolen valor, you know what I mean?
People are setting me up to be something I'm not and I can't live up to their
expectations.
Yeah.
Okay.
I just make sure that hospital water and air is like clean like people sample that and then they bring it to us
And then we just process that and tell them what's in it. Yeah, if anything, that's all I do. Yeah, huh? Yeah
a lot of bottles
Yeah, a lot of bottles
But no doctor
There's no there's no doctor. Oh, and not even like in water. Not even like a PhD
air and water
That's so funny. No, no PhD, just a bachelor's.
But you do save lives, right?
Um...
I would describe you as a life saver, yeah.
Directly, yeah. I would say that you do.
If you were to make that fact, Mr. Fantastic, and stretch it to the highest extent that
he's capable of stretching to, then yeah.
It's like pretty inconsequential stuff, but like, somebody's gotta do it.
You know?
Yeah, you're a life saver.
Okay.
Yeah.
Like a first responder.
worker. They're actually not dead yet. I'm surprised that they didn't wipe to the left.
How is that not a wipe? I don't know. I think they're going to run out of space here on this
next phase. Yeah. Because your space is normally not super limited on this fight, but with the
messed up math problem. I'm also pretty convinced that they're going to miss the damage check.
Yeah, the damage check. They're 50 seconds away from the enraged. 50 seconds is one
on each yeah they're screwed a little bit toast you hold on little a little a
bit messed up here Atlas equals Aquaman I see what they're saying nice I could
talk to some animals they don't understand what I'm saying well Aquaman
specifically talks to fish okay others marine okay yeah yeah there's there's more
than just fish in there marine creature yeah yeah I can't talk to fish
though that's not my forte do we know what JPC is coming back he's at
Harvard.
I say let's get the record straight on me and I'm just spreading lies about him.
What do you mean coming back? So, fun fact, I tried getting him into Lucid.
I desperately tried recruiting him over and over and over and over again.
And he was kind of non-responsive, like a little bit. There's the berserk. We're dead.
GG. I tried recruiting him. He was a little non-responsive.
And then he's like, eh, I don't know, man.
I think he's just too locked in on old school RuneScape, you know?
That's like his thing.
He probably doesn't like...
About six months ago,
Shyn was trying to recruit and play Warrior.
Really?
Yeah, he said, bring out the JP Charge we need.
Oh, the JP Charge.
I don't even think JP Charge ever hit max level.
I think he's level 10 forever.
Bring out JP Charge we need you.
You would love JP Charge.
Yeah, I tried getting James to play.
I miss James so much.
You have no idea.
His attitude towards just gaming in general, but like...
...excious.
Yeah, exactly.
I 100% agree.
I feel like he is the guy that you always want on your roster because he just makes everybody else around him also have like
Infectious desire to continue to want to be the best that they can be
He's just a he's just a wholesome hearty guy. I miss him so much, but he said no so great
I don't think he's coming back if he's not coming back for Lucy who does zero overtime. He's not coming back for anything
You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, that's right
He came back for with the plus for a couple for season two the war thin what there was a bit
I didn't see that, yeah.
There was a very brief moment where he even came back to Liquid and he was supposed to
play.
Oh!
I don't know if that's a very well-known fact.
Oh, I didn't, uh, was unaware.
Oh, yeah, I got the juicy detail.
He was on DK.
Was he, was he on DK too?
Yeah, he was, he was just doing Mythic Plus on DK, you know, he found it fun,
he was getting Mythic Plus at the time, but I think his intention was, you know,
he had a little bit of FOMO from what, I'm just like, spilling his secrets now.
He had a little bit of FOMO watching the race and being like, oh my god, I really,
really want to be a part of this again and I kind of missed that and watching
that was super fun.
Came back to the game and this is a part where we have escalated really in terms of what we were doing character count prep-wise like
We're doing 14 characters like spam split raids all the time like doing keys outside of that
And then he wasn't necessarily like on the same level in terms of involvement and desire to do that
And he willingly said you know what?
I actually don't have enough passion to match what you guys have done now and where you guys are at
And I don't want to feel like I'm under servicing people or being disrespectful
This is the Ben at the beginning of midnight thing where he heard about the amount of voidspar characters and he goes, ah, never mind.
It wasn't even like, you know, I don't think I could do the prep.
It was more so he didn't want to be disrespectful to the people who are actually trying really hard
and making them feel like they're overworking for something when he's being catered to.
Even if we told him, like, you know, you could just do less characters, dude, we just want you to play.
He would feel like that would be...
Well, it's not consistent with the other 29 people to roster.
He feels like he's getting special treatment, right?
Yeah, you feel like you're doing some level of guilt and you just have like, you know,
the guilt has changed a lot since I've been in it and maybe I can't necessarily keep up
with how the infested people aren't keeping up with their character.
A raid warning for Malarkis.
Yeah.
Mark.
He's AFK.
Is he ever going to show up to a race?
No.
No way.
Well, he's the son of an estranged billionaire and he's like a super famous philanthropist.
He's got a lot of heat on him, you know?
Yeah.
You can't have eyes on him like that.
I don't want anarchy to show up to our race too.
That'd be fun.
Burn cryptics as well.
That would also be fun.
We should get as many people as possible.
All of them.
That's my...
All the people.
Getting to see smack was really cool.
In an airbar palace.
Oh, I was about to ask if he was here.
I remember...
Was that the cheer that he got like, insanely sick?
Yeah.
And he got all the healers also insanely sick?
I don't...
I think it was Driny that got everybody sick.
Okay.
But it wasn't smack,
but smack did get insanely sick.
All the healers got insane. The entire healer room was just like ground zero. Yeah, they were all sneezing and coughing and just having the worst time
Yeah, they were. I remember that.
And we haven't seen him since.
Who from midwinners and Lucid? Oh a whole bunch of boys. A lot of boys. We have DT.
DT is back?
They're quit right? He's a warrior player, isn't he? He's a warrior player, then he's tanking with me and then Evade.
So I have to tank and now he's back on DPS warrior this tier. Gotcha.
Bromicide helped us with splits this tier, but he doesn't read with us youth
Played with us briefly for a little bit euphonious and then his work scheduled didn't allow for it. So now he's gone
Lich was playing for us for like a little bit back salute bro
salute is
Not our guild right now. It'll be broad night every night
I don't know if he's gonna handle the overtime, you know go through
I got a lot of Minimotor boys. I'm trying to think. Markle is on the gil, if you guys know him.
I'm just gonna pull up the roster. He's off the top of my head. It's hard to really remember names.
Or quotes.
We got a lot of boys though.
What did Minimotor die?
It was a minute ago.
Does that feel like sepulcher or something?
I think it was either that raid or just before it was it was one of those two yeah
okay I believe I've worked is ever it's been a while but I can't it's been a
little minute how do you see offline members in discord like it doesn't
really show it I don't know that's a really good question all right well there's
a couple more mid-range boys that I'm definitely forgetting check up the pop-up
raid roster yeah check up the pop-up raid roster you'll be some pop-ups in
there we're back on a team sense knows the first hard boss of splits what pop-up
pop pretty real gear check yeah I don't think this will be a gear check but
But then again, the Blizzard Devs probably did not think adding to 4 would be that hard
of a mechanic.
You know what?
The missing mechanic of this should have been like more combinations.
Is Kenny Loggins in your guild?
I guess there's really so many characters.
Kenny is not in the guild.
We have a different Kenny though, but not Kenny Loggins now.
Yeah, we do.
One of the greatest Kenny's out there.
We got Kennelt.
One of the greatest Kenny's out there.
One of the greatest Kenny's out there that you can ask for.
July 21st of 2022, so that was after Supporter.
Yeah.
That's what they packed it up. Looks like there's a regular article with that date on it.
One of the goats, dude. One of the longest standing.
Turkey Uno took over the GM of that guild for a while, right?
Keeping it moving.
It's really funny because I played with a guy back in the day in this super, super unknown guild when I first started playing the game.
And his name was also Turkey, and he also played in the age.
And people get those two confused all the time.
Yeah, although nobody knew the turkey that I played with I
Think I knew the turkey that you played with as well
Yeah, I think I read with them. Yeah, that's right
I forgot we have an overlap in our that is it. Yeah in our comeuppance in our in our guild cycle
Those good old what does dog think days? Yeah, then I go dive night. Oh, yeah, I can I
Played a part in that unfortunately. Yeah
Yeah, yeah, whatever whenever you're one most important officer leaves
as it turns out it's not for you.
I don't know about most important.
I'm most dedicated maybe?
I don't know about most dedicated.
I spoke a lot.
Look, it all went downhill after that.
I had opinions.
I had opinions and then I went to join Encore.
I had equally important opinions.
I had equally important opinions
and I also played important killing that guild too
now I think about it.
None of the group killed that guild, bro.
Yeah, I know, it was actually passed on to group.
It's entirely his fault.
Yeah, group caught GM and then kept it alive
Well, Dearest, does everything that happened after you were gone is on him?
Yeah, it was like the guild lost both of its legs and an arm was bleeding out for the next year and a half.
But guess who ripped off the legs?
Yeah.
I was a leg and Kevin was a leg.
Who was the GM of that? Mero?
Mero. Mero was the GM, yeah.
Holy Pally is such a funny healer. Every spell is just a lay on hands.
It's kind of sick though, you know?
It's a it's a fun little playstyle. You just see the person that's the most in danger and decide to single-handedly see them
They decided to make that spec real good too. Oh, yeah
It's good dude
I want to see Dranster on the class that he thrives on doing the things that
Well, you'll get what you're asking for you're gonna get what you're asking for
Drining on a holy pattern is actually one of the most incredible spot healers
You've ever seen in the game this guy is hyper aware and so fast that's saving people. It's crazy
Sometimes he's like bought me as a DPS and I didn't even realize I was going to take the damage
It like happened in the exact frame that I started getting it
He's great. So Holy Pound being good and him finally getting to play and thrive is fantastic
An easy recruit. Yeah
Yeah at a time too where we were kind of like, you know
Not off of them necessarily but being like, you know, what can Driny play?
I think he joined us like the rest of shaman initially for like a little bit dude the dry need lore about the joining easy from TM
Shawd mail is so funny
The mail is is some crazy because yeah, I just wanted to play more hours. So I got I got mail
This is my time
This is my shining moment. We got a couple easy recruits even in liquid now lip famously. Yeah, that was also for me
See, okay. Yeah, King fly. I think
King Fly was too.
Yep.
Not a boys.
Team Heat.
Yeah, the Team Heat people.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's right.
Wow, they got shooters everywhere, huh?
Even in the chat.
Look, they stay grinding RuneScape now.
That's where Team Heat lives and does.
There we are.
DOSU also famously rage quitting when his UI broke one day.
He would have such a bad time in midnight.
Wait, he...
Whenever he retired from the game, he quit because his UI broke?
No.
came back to the game but there was a period of time where he logged in and his UI snapped
and reset and he just quit the game.
During Antwerp's farm.
He said of remaking it.
Which you have to respect, but also imagine mid-line launch, it's this guy.
Tried convincing him a couple of times to play classical, almost got him.
It was so close.
I think he showed up one time and was like, ah dude this sucks.
We really just didn't get anything going after first tier.
Very little motion.
Yeah.
The dedication just fell off a cliff.
We're really meant to be a sod in TBC Guild, that's like where we thrive, though even this
time around the TBC, the TBC thing was bad timing this time around, I think, on the anniversary
launch or whatever.
Yeah, yeah.
Not even bad timing necessarily, but also it gets played out once you get like the anniversary
of a classic that all of a sudden comes up.
Yeah, anniversary.
It was like two weeks before Midnight Launch 2.
Uh-huh.
Yeah, that exists.
is just they just kind of it just doesn't hit the same because it's they added
like they nerf the raids and then they gave you dual-spec and like that was it
nothing fun or cool you know like why don't do something for somebody film
guys guys somebody's guys somebody's water get out of the H in the hole guys
potentially incredibly hype moment coming up this boss what are you and we
want a strength to enter strength to enter strength trick it straight to
enter we're on an incredible plate run right now also we want gear for
I think his main warlock is in here. So anything that'll be useful for him is good
But let's see it strength drink it and it's leather the neck is big. That's a really good neck
Almost almost an ear place that we make
And it has leech
So that's a big neck
Nice. Yeah, this is a plate seed if I've ever seen one. Is that a cloth helmet?
I'm not sure I can't really see it
He's got a little chop-off there, you know.
They are bracers.
Oh, those are the gigabits bracers for clotheys?
Yeah, but also it's like...
T.S.H. has a crafted embellishment in that slot.
Yeah, he's got the crafted embellishment in the slot.
He looted even socket bracers on one of his other rollox off a dungeon.
It's famously a crafting slot for most people.
It's a pretty low-budget, high-effective craft slot to get an item of what really
doesn't matter on it since it has less stats.
So not really a big deal, but that neck is big.
It's probably one of the biggest items they can get coming out of these splits that they're
looking to actually target.
Are they not going to all be wearing the AcureBrain Reliquary?
So they got really unlucky with their necks.
Oh, okay.
Sure.
I'm not sure if they, I don't know what the exact neck situation is, but just from
an anecdotal perspective of watching them do their heroic Google text, I feel like
I casted a bunch of them, they almost never saw one.
even talk to them at lunch they're like yeah we got pretty screwed by that dude
look at his frames just debuff slot 3 debuffs yeah yeah these these worms have
just like an aura around them and not a good one it's a stinky one next boss is
gonna be big though yeah big thd weapon yeah it could be a good weapon boss we
haven't really seen any weapons yet we have we've seen that we've seen one
stick. We saw a stick on the first kill. So we're working our way towards getting a lot of
sleep. Yeah, they got an int dagger that dropped off this too for the split. A lot of people really
want to craft offhand because at least for average Hall of Fame rating guilds they want to craft
offhand because they want a bonus for the ULTEK main hand. So I think that dagger would probably
be more valuable. I can't imagine that's a premium for a race for ULTEK that's trying to
down mythical attack by the end of the next ID.
I think anything, I don't think you can make any loop decisions off of heroic or mythical attack.
Really, or heroic for that matter since you know, any craft of weapons will be better than that.
Yeah, let's go with that one too.
Yeah.
The K-trip effects are just so OP that
it does drive your decision if you're trying to clear up for like six weeks, seven weeks, eight weeks maybe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
A lot to be seen in that regard, but you know, this split all things considered, not the worst, it could definitely be better.
They got a BOE already too, which is pretty good.
They got a BOE.
Might get another one here.
It was stacked on the same armor type as all the plate that they've been getting.
Yeah.
So whoever the plate soak is in this run is really happy.
They would have been through the roof.
What's the ratio? 416?
4...
Main 16 some around there. Yeah, you usually just put one of each armor type in there. You don't really double up on many things
if anything you like maybe have somebody's
Potential as like something to soak, but yeah, you're looking for like one cloth one mother
This is the BOE mob right shriek coil. Yes. All right, so shriek coil
We're locked in right now for potential incredible moment as we could see a
BOE drop from the sky another BOE again
The BOE's are a little bit weird if you loot a BOE that is your same armor type
It is locked to you, which is unfortunate if you blew to be away. That's a different armor type. You can trade it
Nothing
Nope. No, it's all
It's all gold. Oh 35 minute break
Yeah, it's the end in
After that, they're gonna come back for this fashion it and I don't believe
They have more full splits to go through anymore. Okay. Yeah, it's just like a vashnik golf. It's just that okay
I believe so
Yeah, I think he actually said his main is in run number six. Yeah, so this would be the last full run
And after that we're just gonna be blitz and bashniks, and then if we have time maybe
Nemrissa or
Scissorack bra, either one. Yeah, we don't know. Well, we might know we don't know
The dinner tonight is a feast as well steak and mashed potatoes carrots and Brussels sprouts. Oh, yeah, it's a great meal. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah
Yeah, Brussels sprouts, criminally underrated vegetables.
Yes.
Dude, I feel like that's my favorite vegetable.
See, okay, you know why they're underrated is because they used to be bitter, and then
they managed to selectively breed the bitterness out of them.
Well, yeah, also people just kind of boil them instead of seasoning them and baking
them a good bit.
Yeah.
You know, a nice little crunchy Brussels sprout with like a little balsamic glaze
on it.
Fantastic.
Yeah.
But yeah, they're pretty great now.
It actually happened very recently, why are you looking at me before I walk in?
You have a commanding presence, it's hard to ignore you.
How's the split going for THD lock?
You know what, I don't think it's going well.
You dropped an Intdagger, but I mean Intdagger not very good, that's one out of six myth,
that's not very good.
What are we looking for a Faschnick for you?
Two sticks, let's get some sticks.
Okay, two.
THD, who's the plate soak in the run?
I don't know.
Dude.
It's probably Impec Warrior.
I don't know who's higher on the meter than Cranks.
I have no idea.
Okay.
It's probably Impec Warrior.
He's high on the meter than Cranks.
We were talking about it and it looked like it was a really, really good plate seed.
Outside of the fact that the water...
Every run's a plate run.
Yeah.
That's fine though.
Waters are great.
We want that.
Yeah.
But I also have something else that's great.
What's that?
Zenny's.
Tell me more.
They're on my face.
You know about GG Slash Zenny.
how much damage did they give you up to 25% and how much and how much and how much is the
discount up to 25% that lines up oh my goodness we've got our WF at the about
GG says any an affordable steel even oh I mean everyone's it's always trying to
steal my zenny's if I leave them on my desk for just five seconds it will try
I just keep taking Atlas's Zenny's as well.
That's what I keep saying.
Well, they're just so fantastic.
How could you not?
Yeah, it's all those things like designer glasses, way too expensive.
But Zenny's, if you go and check out their website, they're extremely affordable
and TGT has a fantastic code for you.
That's right. I love my Zenny's.
Get your Zenny's today.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right. I love Zenny's.
Zenny's Zenny's Zenny.
Put our WF up to 25% off.
Lock in! Hey, you're Zinny's today!
Just at the Zinny Zinny Zinny!
Deal, deal, deal!
Mic Drop and everything!
Mic Drop!
That's good.
Thank you, bud.
Unfortunate for the main character.
Really fortunate for anybody who needs some new glasses, though.
I think I look forward to THG's Zinny Drop every single day now.
I think these glasses I'm wearing right now are older than some of the people in this building.
Oh my goodness really old I remember since I was a kid my god and your prescription hasn't changed not real well
No, no not really hasn't doesn't change much. Okay. It's changed a little bit. He's just accepting
You know the lens changed out so
While the Raiders are going to lunch we have some transmogs to rate
You guys have been donating some money to UNICEF at TL.GG slash donate and some people are linking their transmogs as part of that
If you donate $30, you will also be able to show off your transmog. This is Zul'Jarimi?
Yeah, my goat. He submitted a mod earlier in the pick as well. He's got a bowlwork of Azenoth, the most iconic shield in WoW
Mm-hmm. And then we got I see that furious gladiator shoulders furious or maybe it is
The one season after that. I believe it's furious. Yeah, and then we got yeah, I see see gloves
helm chest
The belt is something else. I actually don't know what the belt is from and the legs
Those look like where's that hat from the helm is I see I see one. Okay. Yeah. Yeah
I actually don't know where the weapons from either, but it looks pretty old the legs might be from old Dwarf
They look like old war legs. No, they're not the same color as the old war set unless they're like not the set
I unless there's some like offset. I don't know. I actually don't know the boots are also part of the
ICC at interestingly enough those boots
Yeah, you can only get that color on normal difficulty if you want to get the
heroic color of those boots they don't exist in ICC and they put them in the
game in if I remember right violet hold Legion version that's insane
gov yeah I used to be a big fan of that red set and it was so annoying that
their boots never got put in the game until like way later because the heroic
version of those boots take on the DK set. What was your rate? I'll steal a 1-10. You guys are both
plate enjoyers, right? It's a very classic warrior set. I don't like that the likes don't match really
at all. They probably do match better in-game with some better lighting, but in just the model
preview when it's like a black backdrop it's kind of probably harder to see it a little bit.
They are like a little off, you know, yeah, but I can also respect the fact that he didn't go full set
Like he's going for a little mix of matching thing going on here. Yeah. Yeah, I can respect it. It's really like a
You you'd see this guy in like a wow machinima video or something. Yeah, you know like in a wow
Trailer you would see like random characters and stuff like that. Mm-hmm. Yeah, like the NPCs running up to the ball like a
Yeah, you probably see this guy, you know, I'll give it a seven and a half
I think he went for seven there. I think we went for something there like he has a good idea
Maybe it's just like a little bit. I think you're probably gonna five. I feel like it's like an average quarter mug. Okay. Yeah, I tell
Oh, hello
Hi. Oh, you're so comfy. Hello. Welcome. I get the lint roller ready
This is an insane proc proc the dog. Hi. How are you?
You know what you're doing?
Huh?
Oh, you're so cutie.
That's a big dog.
She's looking all cute like two to the side.
Whose dog is that?
No idea.
She's new.
Yeah, she's a new one.
No, second appearance, actually.
Oh!
I was here for the first one.
When was she here last?
Wednesday.
Ooh, the dog is here.
Maru.
Yeah, Wednesday?
Okay.
Yeah, we spent some time on the...
We spent some time on the...
Aw.
It's a he.
Yeah.
So it's some time on the...
Hey, Mario.
On the sofa.
Hey, Mario.
Who's a good boy, huh?
You're a good boy.
Hello.
Hello, Mario.
But we did have to, uh...
There was a lot of shedding.
Oh, okay.
There was a ton of shedding.
Mario's just really kind of stood over me as if I don't exist.
Not as much this time around.
Thank you. Fair amount. It's a good boy, Mario.
Alright, we got another Mog up as well.
Atticus. This has a Troll, Zendolari Troll Restoration Druid.
Is this leather?
It's a Resto Druid.
Uh, yeah, it is leather.
Oh, this is leather because the helm is like...
It looks like the rogue tier, so it's just like a, you know, lookalike offset piece.
That's the rogue helm from Sepulcher.
I actually really don't know where the rest of this is from and then the helm the helm is or not the helm the weapon is
Merciless body or weapon or something like that. The tier shoulders are from
Gosh, I'm trying to remember
It's from like a recent battle. Let's say it's like Mana Forge or something
Mana Forge? Okay, that's probably why I don't know because I didn't play that scene. I think this set is sick
I just don't it looks I'm not rocking with the weapon choice
You know the weapon in the offhand weapon matches. This doesn't look like a druid to me
Well, this is a lot of leather that's like off-piece
Also, yeah, like I feel like a helmet is like so anti-drew it. That's a rogue helm. That's why yeah
I mean that's totally fine though. I like no it looks really really
This is a 10 out of 10 for me really really I like it a lot even with the chest not matching like one to one
It's not it's not even like is that even a chest or is it hidden?
I mean he's got his nips out actually. Yeah, it's just stand over the tattoo. There's not even a chest
Yeah, no, this is a 10 out of 10.
Okay, well I was gonna critique it, but if he's got his nips out, then that gets a bonus.
No, no, this is a really sick set.
I'll give that like a 9. I think that's just a uniquely cool-looking character.
You see that in the game, you're like, hold up, this guy's cool.
Yeah, I would definitely... this is a head turner.
Yeah, this is really cool.
Actually, I haven't seen most of those pieces on a single character ever.
Yeah, but...
Beast, 9.
Beast.
That's a 7 probably?
That's a 10 out of 10 for me.
My only point missing is the weapon choice.
I think you could like have a little bit of something else going on there.
Apparently those are near more polished shoulders.
Oh, yeah.
I remember there was something from War Within.
I couldn't remember what the set was.
Yeah.
Because those shoulders to me always looked like a shaman set.
Oh, no, Zool Jeremy got done dirty.
That was the wrong transmog, by the way, that showed up.
Armory didn't update.
The armory is so weird, man.
Yeah.
I just don't understand how it works.
Somebody made up that the armory shows the first slot in your transmog.
I don't think that's true.
mentality okay character I'm CC'd step bro I'm
Step bro the mechano fireman this this thing looks demonic. Yeah, this thing looks so
Is the helm like a store helm? It might be yeah, or it could be a set home
You see there a store helm or a trading close. I feel like yeah shoulders are Legion remakes. Yeah, it is Legion remakes. Yeah, I
Mean this is the weapon is the artifact weapon. Yeah, I meant weapon. Yeah, I
I mean this is sick. Where is that hat from? It's either a store. Yeah, I think it's either store or trading post
It's one of those I think it's a trading post on because they used to have that one in like an ice version of it
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they put on the yeah on the trading post. It's got it knows. It's always hard to tell like what the
Chest and legs are especially because this is a diaper gnome. Yeah, but I mean he doesn't even have the diaper on
You know, what's it's on? Look at the toes. Yeah, it's underneath
I don't know if the belt is part of
Yeah, he's got a little cog on his feet. It's a cool theme though. You look evil. Yeah
It's really evil this looks like the kind of thing that you'd seen your nightmares and it's gonna bite your ankles and you'd be pissed
Really good name I think
Yeah, I'll give you a nine out of ten. I'm giving this another nine. Yeah, this is fantastic. I think this is good
I'm yeah, I think I'm also at nine
I think it was like a normal gnome instead of like a mecha nomen get 10 love the shoulders too
I think the shoulders are fantastic. Yeah, this is like a
all-time or PvP character. Nightmare fuel character even. You see this in the game.
Nightmare fuel. Yeah.
I always get better mogs on the thing whenever you're on with me. Really? Yeah. I think they're
like showing off for you specifically. Just the best at the mograting because he loves to
appreciate a good trans-mog. Yeah man, I really like when people just try to stunt, you know?
Mm-hmm kissable Kyle notably
What a guy it's played the best armor tight for mom. Yeah, I feel like leather's up there
No, no, I think that there's up there. I think cloth and plate over at two vests then leather and then
Then the Titanic a power gap male this one's played tycons total mysterious total mysterious. Oh, I just yeah, okay
yep shoulders
Challenge mode well it could be John or it could be the recolour from the what's it called?
The order halls can remember the order halls recoloured. Yeah, but I didn't do me some mods. How do you feel about draenei?
Female draenei are sick. Okay. I like female draenei. Yeah, I mean did all draenei can be sick if you have a good mug with it
I think life forage draenei look really cool the eredar draenei look really cool
Oh the order hall shoulders don't have thumbs. Okay. Yes, this is John's mode. Yeah
And then the that's the doom hammer artifact appearance. I
Couldn't tell you the rest of this. I mean the rest is just kind of like rag tag pieces from about but it kind of works
You know none of it's like super super off. I'm not gonna
Be too critical because you just you know, this is what you got to work with as a male character
Yeah, this is just what you get so I'm not gonna be like oh this looks horrible
I doesn't look like an Ellie shaman though. This is a
Yeah, because they're holding an off-hand in the other hand, I guess yeah, what would be more elemental to you titles a
Shield a
Shield wielding a shield really I do probably not the two man
I think is actually what it was like a little bit off. All hellish almonds are relegated to shields, huh? Yeah
I don't know. I'll give it like a seven
Again, you know, if this if you're comparing this to play their cloth mods or even leather mods
This would be way down there, but male users you're playing this game on hard mode
dude the the set from
Missa Pandaria, I believe it's thrown with thunder with the mask that one. Yeah, that's my fear
I think that that's a really good shaman said like the wolf head. I think that those are my favorite. Oh, yeah
The wolf so I'm yes, so said looks really cool. Yeah, I played an enhancement shaman through all of Cedric
I never got the wolf set the one they brought back with mop remade
Super high on that one, but it's cool cuz it's rare. Well, not so rare anymore
Well, it's fair enough that I didn't get it. Well, you could have you could have got it
Oh, thanks, and then you would have gotten it easily. Yeah. Yeah, those are I think really cool
I like the three problems. I was talking about the emirgisl set the emirgisl shaman set
Specifically the blue variant of it looks super cool
All right, cool. Thank you. Thank you guys all thanks for submitting those trans logs
You guys have been donating to
Oh, we got a set up we got a set up rating you got a
Little wow, I like the ultra wide, you know, I like the background
Backgrounds especially the Alienware 34 inch ultra wide monitor. I'm really on that recently
So yeah, I approve of that one within the setup. This thing is fire
We got a foot pedal setup in the bottom there. So I know I don't think so surely not right or the heating pad one of the two
Oh, okay eating that. Yeah, maybe it's a foot warmer. Yeah, it's cold down there kind of bees like a basement room basically
I mean, it's clean, you know, it's it's it's got everything it works
It's got it's got everything you need got a lot of screen space
I'm hearing it's a foot warmer because my feet get cold. Oh, of course. There you go. That's valid
That's good. This is good. I love the triple monitor setup here
Nice little triple monitor setup. You got a nice little headset holder things are intentional
You have the little not the stream deck thing, but like the you know what I mean like the
little button thing on the side preset. You get the triple monitor set up and you
get the ultra wide which is actually ultra ultra wide. Yeah I feel like ultra wide is
normally take up so much of like your desk space that that's like the only
monitor you can ever have but I mean I feel like this is done really well. No
you're setting up your space well you know you've made you've made the
space work for you in a well in a good way. Is that PC on the ground on the
right? No it's on this little shelf. It's on like a little shelf. Okay PC on
the ground is criminal if we ever see that that's instantly points down. How do you feel about Wi-Fi? I think that my PC here in the
classroom is on the ground so this guy's on Wi-Fi yeah well not anymore no no
not this guy not this guy oh well is that a guaranteed fact I mean you have the
Wi-Fi antennas right he's got the antennas but what if it's also wired that
would be impressive that he figured out what he get that one nine I'll give it
right I'll give it an eight and a half okay not bad clean you know you know
a lot of screen space potentially design I really like that that's yeah I
I think that's a nine for me.
Yeah, it was good.
It was great.
Great even.
Oh, wow.
10.
Ha, ha, ha, man.
Hold on, I mean that's a cool room.
We gotta figure out what we're looking at here.
Yeah, we gotta break this down a little bit.
Can we zoom in on some of that art on the wall?
I mean, this is awesome.
That is sick art on the wall.
You know, they've got the triple monitor set up,
they've got a lot of extra space on the desk.
Nice lighting.
They got a liquid desk mat as well, looks like.
Ooh, love that.
And the PC's off to the side, not on the floor.
We also love that.
Yeah.
They've got really cool lights.
I mean, plenty of desk space too.
I love the wall art.
I think that that's the thing that really ties this
all together.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a very intentional space.
That is a nice little setup going on there.
I'll give that a 10.
Dude, he's got the Xyro side monitor.
Oh yeah, the vertical.
I used to do a vertical monitor for a while.
I'll give it a nine.
I got sick of it, but it wasn't bad.
Yeah, I'm also 10 on this.
This is fantastic.
I love this wall art.
I feel like this really just brings it together.
Yeah, I could have done it in 9 and 1 half.
I think the...
Do a bit of a zoom.
I would have liked...
All right, guys, and the Altar of Fangs.
Oh, my gosh.
I think his desktop background is Silver Moon
on that top monitor.
Yeah, that's the central area where North Mars is.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that is so cool.
And this guy's signing up for Liquid Splits on the...
Oh dude, yeah, okay, alright.
I said nine and a half, now it's a 10.
Yeah.
Well, a big Blizzard Entertainment fan, then.
Look at all these posters.
What a beast.
Absolutely beast.
That's a six out of actually.
That's what I'm saying, like...
Pretty cool, it's pretty cool.
I think for a while, I think it's hard to have
a bunch of really cool wall art in a way
that ties an entire room together,
and I think that this guy did.
Yeah.
It's got a nice theme, consistent theme.
It's a really good idea.
Yeah.
And a warm-looking room too, you know?
It looks cozy.
The color grading on this photo is very warm.
What's on the top right?
What is that?
Those drapes?
It looks like it's almost a divider to the room.
It does look like drapes.
But it does look also, they look like blackout curtains.
It's just blackout curtains, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
So maybe it looks like maybe like a divider to the room,
but I can't imagine that that's right.
No, it's probably just, you know,
they've set up intentional lighting in their room,
and they don't want outside lighting to be as valid.
That was sick.
Cool.
That was good.
Those are two really cool stuff.
Yeah.
Thank you for sending those in.
Oh, we got a third one.
Oh, we got.
This one's cozy.
What's this?
And we have like a console station on the left.
Yeah.
We got what is that?
You can see like an N64 switch.
Console station.
We got.
Oh, a custom keyboard too.
Yeah.
i think it seems pretty chill
this is a pretty chill situation and look at you can tell this is right next to the
bed too
so you know you want to get cozy
you can drop right in
and uh... you know get all this is a i mean this is a really good use of space
just all things considered
i like uh... what do you think about the console setup here
it's pretty cool i mean uh...
it's all of this very compact like the console
Yeah, a little console station and then having the little, uh, what game is that on the monitor?
I can't tell.
You can't tell.
Somebody just slammed, I know that Ikea bed frame.
Yeah, insanely called out.
Yeah, I feel like, uh, if I took a picture of my bedroom, there'd be like a lot of Ikea furniture all over there.
Sing it with me!
Nine, eight and a half.
I'll give it a nine.
It would be an eight and a half without the console station.
I think it bumps me up a little bit.
I think it's really good for like the trying to make the most of the space, but anyways today
We are joined by the queen of radar dot IO hula hoops for the
Raider IO recap welcome. Thank you very much
Can you raise up your mouth a little bit?
Bang we good. Yep. Okay, they don't hear you awesome. Thank you for the enthusiastic introduction. I actually have a very data-heavy
We are going to get to that in a second.
I do want to start with the leader board of course, we have some mythic kills from some
other guilds.
So we do actually have a top 10 leader board to worth looking at.
So I'll do a quick around the world so everyone can get caught up on what's been happening.
So that's the top 10 up there.
Of course, you can see liquid is on top.
Evolve is second.
And then Methods, because there are those of the instant dollars
did get bashed up.
So we've got four guilds at four of eight.
But I'll give it a quick round of the world
what happened last 24 hours.
So Echo, do we don't see them on the leaderboard?
We've seen a lot of questions.
What's Echo doing?
Did they implode?
They've been just doing lots of two-ball splits.
So they did do six splits on the first two bosses.
They haven't killed the third boss yet, but when they come back in an hour, probably around
there, two hours, they'll go right into their six times third boss.
Okay, a day for them.
Yeah, they've got a lot of three, four, potentially five bosses coming up.
How have they been doing on their heroics and what's their gear trajectory looking like?
I don't know their exact item level on these ones, but they're looking pretty similar
to Liquid.
Okay.
The three kills are pretty on par, in terms of gearing.
They did four splits of the first three bosses then they went back to their original their first split group
And that's the group that went in and got the world first Vashnik does hype in with only 308.3 one item level in nine poles
So very impressive for method for method bringing that out like kind of out of the woodwork
Advanced they've just been in splits in the first two bosses. They've got three split groups. Oh, okay
Evolve as we talked about they got world second Vashnik in ten poles. They did three heroic splits
No mythic splits. 309.17 item level on their kill on Vashnik. They did two pulls of Surak and then they were done.
They were World 22nd last year. They're not a nobody guild. They game.
They're I think kind of similar in scope to like the projects of the world where it's like a bit lower hours, but like one of the top end European guilds.
Yeah, we were watching some of their streams like, okay, they know what they're doing.
they're doing yeah like AJ, MDI champion, rated in that guild I think he I think he
rated in his is recently his last year I don't know if he's still rating in there
this tier I don't believe he is but he definitely was
JPEs right there as well oh well okay yes yes yes that's that's why that name is even more familiar
Phoenix another EU guild they got world's fifth sentinels did 11 pulls and
Vashnik got it down under 20% they were at 312 item level so they did not
do any splits they have one group one heroic kill of everything straight
into mythic full gear well this is really hard for that really and then we
have over in in China Zhongzhou so the little hot pot guild they're fully
focused on their splits not a single warrior has gotten the trinket which one
the hurl the hurl cool attack not a single one and no warrior has a trinket
weapon combo they've gone all of them not a single warrior that is very
That is not good.
They did get World 6 in Tomb Sentinels.
Okay.
So they have gone into Mythic now.
They're making it work.
That's them on the leaderboard.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah.
And then Identity, they finished their Herald splits.
Today is Mythic plus Farm, probably about an hour ago when they started out to prep
for their Mythic splits.
They did kill 5 times 1-3 bosses in splits.
Gotcha.
Mythic.
J-Sug, they finished their Herald splits and they're going to start Mythic splits.
They're not sure how many they're going to do.
For an NA, Instant Dollars, they got Vashnik about, what time is it now, about an hour and a half ago?
So they did get their World 4th Vashnik, 10 pulls, 307 item level, with their doing, they did a group 1 split that they killed boss 1, then a group 2 boss 1, but back to group 1 did boss 2, 3, 4.
So they might go back with group 2 and do 2, 3, 4, but that's kind of how they've been progressing.
So they've been gearing, it feels like it's a gear up tier, basically, everybody.
Pretty much, yeah.
do want to give a quick shout out to my friend in instant dollars turbo oh yeah I've been told
that if I don't give him a shout out I am a terrible friend so I'm like you're welcome turbo
and then XD unfortunately XD's been struggling they spent all day yesterday wiping on Heroku
the tech oh so they got it when they first heard the raid today but we're hoping that
they'll be able to come back and get more of this with sun and start at reset in full stride
I saw Dreddus was hate watching them earlier.
No!
Dreddus, why?
No.
Oh, that's that's...
He was doing like a seance, a prayer circle for them to wipe.
Prayer circle.
Oh no.
That reminds me of like sometimes Lorgoch would show up and like with streams and like
the end bosses and be like typing in all caps, wipe.
Oh no.
That's sportsmanship at its core.
Okay, now so I want to get into some interesting data because we've talked about in past
So this race is breaking records. It's the longest this the longest that the longest this yes
I've got some interesting data about pole counts across races
So I've got a couple slides here. So this is actually we looked at we looked at a lot of past races
But I averaged it to the last five and this is how many poles per day
The top three gills have been averaging out or doing during mythful mythic Prague
So no more splits. They're in mythic. They're progressing
Okay, and this is the last five rates. How many poles they do a day?
Muck you have tons of caveats here different bosses require like 15 minute boss
You're gonna have fewer poles versus a three minute boss if you run out of power and do a ping-pong turn it middle
The day you're gonna have fewer poles. Yeah, so caveat on that
There's a grain of salt, but I figured if we go back five tiers, we get a good average, right?
And actually they're they're all pretty close
Echoes a little little lower, but there's some raids where they're higher. So like I mean midnight
they were the highest last year in terms of poles per day during mythic progression. So this is
an interesting kind of idea. So I took this data, I said okay if they're averaging, the three guilds
together are averaging on 78 poles per day in mythic progress. And then the next slide we will
see how many poles remaining at the 78 poles per day average, how much longer is this race
going to last once we get in. So if again we have no idea how many mythic
poles are remaining once we get into Prague this is a very weird race but say
once we get back to you know where progression is the boss five six whatever
it's going to be however many poles are remaining that's roughly how long this
is gonna take yeah so I'm really hoping it's not a thousand because then
and your tweet will be correct, we will be here till BlizzCon.
Oh, look, there's always a chance, but I would, I'd be shocked if it fell.
I'm going to guess it's a little lower than that.
So yeah, so here's just an idea of like how many pulls we have left.
So from this, then we look at the next slide, which is, how many total pulls did it take
the three guilds over the last five raids?
So we've never hit a thousand.
We got close a couple times.
But that is total mythic pride.
Niravar was close.
that random hey we've done half the raid already right I did so what keeping that in mind I was
looking at undermined to because that was a we've done half the raid yeah when we go back and reset
we one shot those first four bosses yeah we've done them already we got more gear and then
progression actually starts however Gallywix was such a nothing burger yeah but I felt it wasn't
an accurate comparison because I don't think Ulytec is going to be a nothing I think Ulytec is
going to put up a a very large fight so I mean that but that's kind of where we've been at
We've had a couple that yes did get close to a thousand poles and this is once mythic Prague starts legit
In the second reset the narrow bar one is crazy
So so if we think it's you know, Mana Forge difficulty on the back half as well
Then it's probably going to the third reset even
Potentially that's if though if the back half if the back half of this raid is gonna be as difficult as all of Mana Forge
I mean because Dementia's like 350 from memory and then I think Salazar was like 120 or something. Yeah. Yeah
Yeah. So it's going to be close. I think that the importance of that data is it's actually
going to be quite close in terms of whether or not the third reset is going to be looming.
If the rate does make it to the third reset, liquid's going to be a pretty steep advantage,
yeah? Yeah, for sure. Oh man, I'm shuddering at the bottom of a third reset rate. Yeah,
I can't. I think it's unlikely. I would say it's probably, I would guess it's
about 10%, but that's a complete guess. Well, I mean, where are you guys kind
thinking in terms of like how likely it is to make the third reset.
I feel like once we get back to, I mean, depending on what happens tonight, but once we get back
to say Cizerak or Twin Fangs, I think we've got 400 pulls left.
Yeah.
I think the moment that we see Twin Fangs, I think we'll actually tell us a lot about
how likely it is to make it to that third reset because you probably need three really
big bosses to be able to even get to that 600-ish pulls to unlock the third reset.
Also, I have some questions about like how the tech is going to be because if you have done heroic
You know that the all the difficulties back loaded like super back loaded. So a boss like that
typically
Doesn't get like it does. It's not a pole farmer like yeah, Laura was Laura was just a straight-up pole farmer
Where you were just spam wiping over and over again at P1 that's gonna, you know, that was actually me later
But it didn't really, you know the 550 poles or whatever it was. It wasn't like oh, yeah
Yeah, yeah, this took all yeah, so I think it depends on how what tech is going to be sure yeah
So that I think that will really where it's going to dictate all of that
Yeah, my my my best gas based on what we've seen a heroic what we know from past grades is we're looking at another
400 pulls once we get back into Prague, okay, which puts us at I totally already forgot the data in that second slide
But I think four or five days sure
All right, that was the Ray Ray oh recap
Can you get some W's in chat for Hula for bringing us all of that data telling us that the third reset, you know possible
But unlikely we're gonna be throwing it over to a quick break
You can see the Raiders only have four minutes left on their break before dinner is over
Jed and I are gonna go scrounge up some food though. I heard that steaks on the menu
So we'll be right back right after this break
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It's so awkward when I'm trying to call comms in the raid and he's asleep.
Like at least for Klein or something. That's one of the best parts of the chair.
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Which race started already?
Hey, can't see. What are you doing out here? The race started.
I love race so, so, so, so much.
A love only in the glasses of Zenny can help me see.
I just think it's weird that race started all of a sudden.
I was thinking, what if we killed the boss and ended race tonight?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Don't do that!
Oh, yeah!
I don't even have a video.
Alright, is anyone new?
Yo, but I watched all the polls.
Did you watch all the whole Stripix?
Why? Did you guys just fly? Every single one.
Actually, the one man thing, I just...
How do you determine which one to fly?
How do you determine which one to fly?
Boom!
You figured it out?
You got like 5 seconds once you get it, bro.
So you just kind of gotta go...
You just stop moving and if someone else is moving, you don't move.
Excel, wouldn't you be low as prior?
If there wasn't anyone to step to.
Nice.
Oh, there's one change.
We have two warlocks, right?
I think there needs to be a default gateway.
Like, okay, there's one on the left.
There needs to be a gateway out to Diamond to help melee 100p.
I can go horse and be quick.
Yes.
I mean, if you're the only melee picked, which is going to be true most of the time,
if you get it, you will be going to Diamond.
And again, Diamond, don't move your camera to HD.
If you're watching my stream the ones that matter on diamond are anything to the left of this
Anything to the left of this blue line. Sorry. Yeah, like anything
Anything around here has literally no chance of getting hit from the middle everything over here
can be hit on accident from like star and
Triangle and ranged again if you just to reiterate
There's like basically one person each marker if one marker in particular is like super ass like for example
Let's say there's nothing on Skull.
Like there's literally nothing here, nothing here.
Skull's a terrible marker.
You guys can just like scoot up on star
and like one can go here, one can go in between triangle,
one can go on triangle.
Like it needs to be a little variable.
Like most sets, one on each marker works,
but sometimes like a marker is actually useless.
Like if you ever are doing,
I forget the PV we were looking at.
If anyone ever like gets off the line
to try to like cleave one down next to you,
you are for sure on a marker that is relevant.
3rd PUV in a rail in this fight, lets fucking go.
Can they just take my discreet shot, I don't know if the import is not working for some
reason.
Do you see that Twitter DM?
No, I did not.
What was it?
Back it up as soon as you can
Goal oh
Goal go make sure you have Vantus. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. I have same for the tech
Oh, that's that
We need to we need to bang this boss like four times
Yeah, always ready to check for your sister or bang for bank
So cryptics cryptics your AMZ one and four you don't have to do it on one
Zyps you're doing two and five impact you're gonna rally on five with Shack and KSP's darkness
Driny I'd like you to AM5 actually no Driny AM4 ZEVY link five which means you can also link to ZEVY if you're
I'm still frozen.
Good luck.
I'm still here for Edna.
Zevi, Zevi, line line line line line line line line line line line line line line line
number three.
So line what?
We talked about doing line on the first one just for like easier dodges.
Same with the end of the D5.
Oh yeah, I was not in the last one.
Okay.
Oh.
I'm probably dead.
You're alive, King.
You're alive.
Oh, he's got a heal.
Amazing.
Okay, and get in here.
This is infections in three, two, one, dispells soon.
Everyone start looking at plague for us. I think every markers
like pretty chill here actually.
Melee get ready for perp here. One needs to go to perp for sure
even if there's five ranged.
Speak plague for us.
You able to hold judge. Yep. Oh my god. I think I'll
there are still waves on my screen. You might have been
lagging.
You're having a great time again. So it's here big a we in
three I need to look look through HD okay so two people need to go orange can
one do diamond no two diamond two orange one one like on moon one moon two
orange two diamond one moon man
why am I kid play other close for you I get close it close and this is gonna
going to be the second one. This is going to be, yeah, Yip's AMZ and your links, Eddie.
I'm going to grip them halfway along where we are, all the way around the suba.
Okay, this is going to be Armageddon's Soaks, Big Awee in three, two, one, now. Okay,
in the soaks they're landing soon and purple absorbs plus the spells right now okay plague
froth and ten start identifying wait the make sure you purple you get the ones to the left
of the thing okay spreading in three two one plague froth i'll just take a next time we'll
take a two step so i'm gonna take it with the boss no one's on fire at all do you
I don't hear you, but you didn't hear me.
We can't restrack for a while, just keep going.
I'm getting six.
Okay, I don't have the best thoughts, someone tell it.
One purple, one orange, two in the red.
One entrance.
Yeah, one purple, one orange, one entrance, two in the red.
Which means star.
You ready to get it off there for him's?
Hey, dodge, dodge, dodge and get it.
What?
This is the third one.
It might hit, it might hit.
Just get under boss.
Okay.
And get ready to, this is just, this is nothing here.
This is just fucking being alive.
Going off in three, two, one, now.
That dispel was spicy, I respected though.
Rizzing shack in a minute.
Armageddon's here.
Three, two, one, A, B.
Okay, new dispels are in five fuelers.
Okay, adaptive infections now.
Good, plague frosts in 10, take a look.
There's actually very little need for melee to go diamond here.
We should actually do five in a line.
We should do five in a line here, five in a line.
Right now.
Okay, and dodge.
Dodge, dodge, dodge, dodge, dodge.
Good. And get stacked up here.
Okay, one person can do square.
Actually, we did all of them, right?
One person goes orange, one person goes far diamond, one goes left of X, and one goes to square.
And then we have a floater as well.
Spread yourself out. Go.
I'm going to take double your scots so I can do the grips and you can move boss.
Get in for heals after.
Dodge dodge dodge dodge dodge dodge. Get in for heals.
This is four. This is going to be Yps AMZ.
We can rush back. No, it's cryptic AMZ.
Cryptic AMZ. Cryptic AMZ. And get in it, guys.
Get in it. It's all good.
I need more mastery. I need more mastery as well.
All res. Sure.
All the 30 spell after.
All the fourth.
Get one of them. Nice. Watch KSP here.
Good armor getting soaks now.
Big A we in three, two, one.
One now. Yeah, yeah, it's fine.
One's in the red squad.
Uh, no.
New infection here?
That's a second, so I give you an instant.
Yeah.
We do need one melee to go diamond here, by the way.
What's your health?
Trouble on me.
Try to heal me.
Mark, my Jesus.
We're good, we're good.
Plague Frost soon.
Guys, look at your lineups.
Plague Frost here.
One melee to diamond.
Okay.
Okay, and going off in three, two, one.
Now.
Dodge, dodge, dodge, dodge, dodge.
a bit under the last spot now.
I'm a second pot.
And armor getting soaked soon.
Where is the soak?
We need like one diamond.
One purple.
Yeah, one purple, two orange.
I can't really see.
Left of axe.
Needs one more.
Yeah, left of axe.
Probably.
No.
Soak.
We might be okay.
Yeah.
Don't need to go for one.
Spread here.
If you have nexilabsorber,
putting stuff. I'm teaching you both. It died. It's fine. Keep going. Okay. Everyone
gets stacked up here. This is going to be your first time. This is Rally, AMZ, and Spirit
Link, and all of her keys here. Use it now. Going off the three, two, one, and two.
I don't know why I gripped here. We're not killing these, by the way.
Yeah, we're not going to grab them. Banish both of them.
You have to banish the one in the group, so I'll just banish the dispel again.
No, he's banishing the far one.
I'll just first.
New infections here.
We just have to do these dispels correctly, right?
Without a healer.
Watch your health.
You know me.
You're a rallying pick.
I'm going to have a banning, but I'm just going to blow up.
That's bad.
Okay.
Keep going, keep going, keep going.
Just spread these out.
These don't matter.
Just don't die with them.
Just go on.
Going off in three, two, one, now.
Watch, watch, watch.
Yeah.
We have a long time. Make sure the burning items don't go in, tanks.
Armageddon's here.
We need them away from the middle, if possible.
Make sure it's soaked.
Yeah, soaked here.
Two minutes, it's all in there.
Okay, and then it's spread for Plague Froth?
Spread for Plague Froth. We have 20 seconds.
Going off in three two one now
Okay, just like hold the dispel right just don't dispel. Yeah, just a boss
We know this in five just yet just ready there to use every single CD in three two one now give every external to tanks
Every external to tanks
One job oh we fucking take that that was a fucking nightmare
I
Think my sound driver crashed was that the one where trill was DC on the pool
Well, we would have been able to heal
a few more people that song driver feel the song driving okay dude honestly low
key I'm really glad we killed that but if we would have wiped a dronnie being
dead because we missed that soak with literally nothing happening that would
have been I don't even know where it was look around it's like someone must have
like stepped out of this in the water did someone or were completely blind there
was something on heroic where it showed it wasn't
I mean you couldn't see the explosion where it's right here. I'm right. I'm watching right now
Okay, so we're just saying a soak
one two
In is it this one?
But where's the fifth soak?
See where the reticle comes from the right, but it's on the right like the right one maybe
me there's nothing by blue like so it's this one right yeah we should not send
that to them right look at my no look at where I'm because isn't that circle not
being such you there you're not even that's so that's a that's a good
I think that might have been a good one, but we didn't get to run one at first.
Running?
So, can you do what you can to run first?
Wow, that's actually insane that we killed that, that was so sick.
There's also this run's loot.
Also trill the bad boss, the real boss is at 1% and he goes, we're behind.
What the fuck?
We were behind the time, but it's still...
Yeah, we killed the cast. The cast went off, bro.
Furgatory soon. I'm ban audio, can't die.
I posted this runs loop minus Vashnik and then I posted last runs loop.
So look at the latest trade string, so like NRKYYYPS.
Logging back in YYPS.
The Trillim's heavy.
We'll do that loot and then do the other loot and then we should be able to get it in.
Two boots dropped in this, so one should not go to me.
Two boots.
Vashnik Drop boots.
Oh, which one would you rather have?
The bigger ones.
Vashnik boots.
Just a hand.
I just lip-logged anything.
Three of yours boots.
Which one do you want to do on here?
the Vashnik ones and then the trade string is the one that goes a lot. Yeah, I see.
Let me find another one.
Oh, of course, black space.
Yeah.
Hello.
Hi.
Hi.
Fuck you.
Hi.
I know.
Fuck.
I know, you and you didn't.
The one I hit by just running out.
I'm sorry I just saw it.
I just saw it.
But it just fucking landed.
I don't know, like what is going on there.
Oh yeah, I saw you run out of the divo and it just fucking, not even the line,
even the line but it was just yeah that's good for the next round I mean it's like you can
call us mech you can like that in this channel I was like the only one we got one shot
uh no diva you have sacked up for some shit no I thought he went 100-0
were you soaking too no I was just in one fuck it
What are we highlighting right now he's talking to chat your chat
Hey chat he's got this group United Kingdom
Square
is this group? United Kingdom. Is it my media? Yes, there's a group. United Kingdom. Thank
you, Mark. Thank you so much, Mark. I just want to say something bad happened to you.
You're close. User disconnected from your channel. All I appreciate is so much on that
boss. Building vibes. Yeah. Yeah. What do we think about double disk? Fun disk
this run. We can go down and chat and talk about it.
Another one.
Is that the next one you guys?
Yay!
I feel like I have good Euler input.
So it's definitely by the way it definitely wasn't
the like that one going off.
That one hadn't even hit the ground yet.
It was a just completely invisible.
So there was no animation for it anywhere.
We're supposed to get five every single time on that one.
We only got four and the fifth one nowhere to be seen
and none of the four that we could see actually even hit the ground before we took the raid damage
so it was just completely invisible so we blew our brains out.
Well we tried our best though. Dude imagine you fucking imagine you one percent wiped to the
fucking invisible so oh my god what a lock in. Well then we would have wiped if my GM friend
didn't replace my Ventus with the correct balls. Wasn't that funny hopeful? What's the goal
with that left on the day to make him feel that was a horrible thing to us UK is fucked
the UK fell the UK just fell the real talk by the way if we ever don't see a fifth soak
we have to just like spread the fuck out that means that's like hope we get it feeling
right yeah I mean I saw one spot in the wall and heroic so no so it's it's definitely
not what I just said you don't do that you just personal if you ever see four you know
you're taking the damage you just have to the people who are soaking basically just need
to personal or they need an external everyone other rooms like a different phase it's like
the center that's spawning there I've seen them straight up in the wall and heroic and
you couldn't soak them like when people in the middle they were in a different phase
I mean, that's a weird thing happening on this boss, like, THD's POV shows this perfectly.
THD, like, was not going to make one of the same.
And then it just ran, it just worked.
But it just, like, it just, like, went invisible.
Like, do you remember exactly how far away it was?
It was the second one.
I ran to purple on a second plague frog.
Yeah, that was a hard one.
Like, you're not making it there in time, but then it just fucking...
It's the one for this, I guess?
No, it was not me. Yeah, it was a it was a white I should we should have wiped it.
Just I think it like maybe allowed it that gave you grace for your momentum
and it like would have hit it if like some kind of lag happened.
I think it does momentum.
There was one to them set where I was like six yards away from hitting it.
And it let me get it free.
I was like 10 years horrible.
What you mean on that one?
I said, yeah, bro, because it was seven years away.
The game felt bad for me and like David me they hit because I was like so bad.
I don't think that's it though right because there's someone on the opposite side and it works like Pacman if you guys are old enough to know that it comes like back through the wall from the illusory
I know it's the next one yeah I thought I looked and I just didn't know
By the way that one that I called where we do five in a line we literally hit every single one of the room except for three of them
me this guy fucking right what the fuck really there's oh my god you teach you when the fuck
did you do it it was that's cool right yeah I mean look at this look at this someone explained
to me what the fuck just happened he's trying to line this up it's going off in one it's
going off right now. So like this is the wife, right? And it's
just, it just disappears in his face.
The one that you stand inside also didn't hit it. So that's
good.
It's because of the
because he's on your move, right? Like it's written, the
animation is not actually done playing before your, so that's
why people miss probably as well, because you move right
after it goes off. And you think it's fine.
I don't think that's
I think I know the reasoning, grok.
Yeah, it's like when you aim your line at home and it takes like three extra seconds
to light up, just the same time.
Yeah, no, I agree, I'm not sure.
When he's sun completely still and they start fucking disco lighting, like, yeah.
your debuff is client-side and you can put them on their server side.
Yeah, thanks Mark. Like actually.
But this really what happened right? Like it's just shooting before it actually
shoots. The graphic has nothing to do with the actual projection.
and this is like an amendment right actually have we thought about maybe it's
just my GM front yeah you show do you show timer on your on your yes above
It is
Is this I don't know if I did something like I could do something better, but it was weird
I should maybe move on top. They would be clear. What were you supposed to do?
I'm just playing I'm watching just clear free behind me. Uh, I
Didn't clear one look. Oh
What's happening? Uh
Maybe this line would have been better maybe I don't I
I mean they're all lit up, bro.
What?
The middle one didn't get hit?
What the fuck is this?
What is wrong with this game?
There's a crazy one that's looking at you for some purpose.
We cleared it from the far.
Yeah, I think they don't play that.
Yeah, I'm on Mark's.
They're all three lit up.
You're telling me the fucking middle one.
Yeah, it's me on the other side.
Mark is on the other side.
Is that the one? It's closest to the wall so it's going for a headset?
It's directly in!
It's literally got it.
I could not point at this even any... it's right there.
I don't see it.
I don't see my B.
The left one missing here, you can argue why it's just a small hitbox.
Alright and welcome back from that monster energy listen in
and it's time for the Unction.
I am joined by two old Jet Jaguar and Cams,
and today we've been doing a lot of splits,
but we've conjured up some content.
We're gonna be talking about the history of Limit,
and I think that with Jet Returning,
it's no better time than to talk about the old.
The beginning, the beginning.
Okay, anything specific or?
I think we take it from the very top.
How did the guild form?
For those who may be only familiar with the guild as they currently are, Liquid, right?
Yeah. Well, once upon a time there was a guild called Blood Legion.
Okay, the one, the Riggross Guild, right?
Yes, the former number one NA guild.
Yeah.
And within that guild, there's a man named Truefire.
I know him. Yeah, he's a melee mechanics lead now, right?
Yeah, he needs an Ael's Freckle.
Yeah okay.
And him and a bunch of people in the guild, they were not very happy with how things were
going in Blackwrap Foundry, they were getting very burned out from World Forest Rating.
And so he was like, I'm going to make a guild, I'm going to make this guild from people
that I know and fortunately I was able to play with a lot of people and a lot of
guilds because prior to World of the Dream release, the game Wild Star brought together
quite a lot of people who were interested in trying rating in that guild.
Wild Star, that was the Infective guild, right?
Or that was the Infective game, right?
Well, yeah, that's Infective came from that game.
So from there, they met a lot of people from a lot of different guilds.
Rossum duality which is where Max is from, nightmare asylum, where were you from?
Whatever Rossum.
Okay, you were from WTO, yeah.
And so he, you know, that was a good networking opportunity.
And then around the Blackout Foundry time, during Prague, they were sick of it.
So and then during that time, Blood Legion basically gave up, you know, they basically
died.
When that happened, there was a sort of like a little throwing feelers around, hey, you
know, would you be interested in making a guild?
This is normal.
It's like, I feel like this will always happen and nobody ever actually formed the guild.
Yeah, yeah, they're interested in making a guild, like I'm going to maybe make something
a little more casual from their vantage, right?
Because they were World First Raiding Guild, Blood Legion.
So casual for them was like, oh, you know, five days a week, five hours, 25-hour
raid schedule, with a day raid on Tuesday.
I'm just so says standard very standard for like a cutting-edge guild and so we kind of came together and made it and the goal at the time was like we've we made top 20 world like
That'll be great because we had a there's a girl called ascendance you killed that had a similar radar and they didn't really well they were kind of like I want to say like they were like that that's our guess of that era.
And where where they you know they weren't like a strict area to go and they were pretty high ranked so we were like oh you know we can get there that'd be great.
We started, we made the guild pretty, or like we waited until like a lot of people in these guilds
either their guild to hide, which is the case for Nightmare Asylum and Blood Legion, or like in case of
WWE and Duality, like they waited until we finished our prog. And then we all came together, we made the guild
and pretty much the rest is history in terms of like the formation. You know, there was a lot of,
We really I'll say this true fire really put his
Iron fist down and said we are naming the guild limit. I really like that guild name a lot of us did not like it
We were not fans. We were workshopping. What what was the mother names?
The one that was like fairly popular was elephant herd
That was a pretty popular name and
Unfortunately, he was like I don't want a meme name and you know he was like I like limit
What was the lore on the Bald Eagle American flag edition of the Archimonde kill?
Okay, because I remember a lot of people got mad about that but I could not figure out why.
The Archimonde story, it's a funny story, okay? So we never expected to get us first
Because midwinter, you know, they were a better guild.
Yeah, let's not talk about this.
They were a good guild. They were in some ways a lot better too. They're a better guild in a lot of ways
But we tried to play a lot of mind games with them.
So there was a guy in the guild in midwinter who used to be in WWA that I rated with.
So that's how I knew him.
Shuttle, we were like, oh, you know, how are you guys doing with the boss?
How's it going?
Of course, he was not trying to leak anything because we were hot on their tail.
We were probably a few days behind them in terms of Prague.
So then I decided, this is something I did.
i photoshopped a log showing an arkham on kill that was like
ten minutes deep into the boss at light and the boss at like thirty percent or
something which is actually like a crazy like that
scrazy bad
uh...
of course i'd linked it to just him no one else
there's no one you could probably tilt harder yeah i can imagine the yeah yeah
and then he decided to spread that
on his own of course
and
He basically, you know, it kind of caused a lot of tilting.
I think, I don't know to what extent,
because I think they like, I don't know.
I think I had a conversation with the adventure people
that have blessed us on about this once,
but that was so long ago I don't remember.
And, uh...
Maybe you can't just speak up.
Yeah, Archimonde was very rough.
Yeah.
We tried a lot of dumb things in P1,
instead of just copying method.
Yeah. Their video had come out.
And it was the thing where it was like,
we can't change our strat, we're so deep.
and then it just was not going well
and we would not switch and...
You guys were on like a time with two,
like I remember that was like the real reason
why things kind of blew up.
Cause didn't you guys have like a couple of people
that were like going to work for Blizzard,
stuff like that?
I know.
Like St. Haldee, wasn't he one of those?
He might have.
I know someone who did for sure,
I don't know if I can say the name.
Maybe a couple of people, yeah.
And then at some point, I think it was just like,
We're going to take a break and come back with more rings.
Yeah, yeah.
This is so brilliant.
Oh, yeah, because the ring RNG was ridiculous, that tier.
As far as I remember, you guys had a time limit, basically,
to where you could actually finish the tier at a reasonable
time.
And then you didn't make it.
We like to joke that the Photoshop tilting thing
had a big part in it.
I feel like it didn't really.
It doesn't seem like it anyway.
But yeah.
So we ended up claiming US First, which was totally like we didn't expect that to happen.
Yeah.
We actually, okay, our real video, we have a real video with like actual music.
I could not find the bald eagle American flag would, but I remember it was really controversial.
I don't know why, because I think it was controversial because it was like, you know, it was our first
tier as a guild and we probably appeared like a bunch of jokesters and like really annoying.
And I think it was around the rise of a certain figure in American politics.
Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, that's like 2015 maybe.
No, no, actually earlier.
It was earlier. I think it was 20.
Maybe that was the word. No, that was that was 2015.
Oh, yeah. Okay.
Okay. Maybe that's why.
Yeah. I mean, but like our U.S.
first edition was like just for like a joke.
We actually didn't even I don't think tags even thought that that would be the more popular video.
We had like a nice cool video with like sick music.
We use like the interstellar soundtrack and everything.
it was actually epic man and uh...
that was the era of cool kill videos and then unfortunately
the uh... bruce princine i'm proud to be american
stuff
i don't know why i still don't know why it got like so controversial i don't think
midwinter also kind of had a like a
i don't know the right word
or other fan base or something like the people that i just like kind of
like them
yeah and
their aura also the problem is that there was another problem we had where like
true fire was from blood legion but read the reality is that a lot of people from blood legion
when the guild fell apart they only like helped us with our first few brf raids just to help
us get the guild going like i remember like adel and shoulks these are like ancient names people
like that uh daviria like these guys like helped us set up the guild okay iapeto that's another
a big one like they helped us with our first few raids but after that like you
know they pretty much didn't play with us at all but I think a lot of people
don't know that and they thought we were like basically like a blood legion like
rignaros revolting guilds they and well these are very controversial guild if
oh that's if you know any of your writing history blood legion was a
very controversial guild back then well I mean yeah rignaros oh yeah the
rigorous era of moth where he would like okay he spawned off like this
era of raid leader where for some reason they believe that they need to be drill sergeants
as well and that is terrible.
Yeah, yeah.
Let me just say that is the worst version of raid leader of all time where you get screamed
out.
Yeah.
So like I think a lot of people thought that we were like that guild but in fact we,
I think our guild had a very distinct identity of their own and we were really were like
a melting pot of a bunch of different guilds.
When you make a guild like that, the worry is it gets very clicky, because people within their guilds know each other, so let's stick together.
But all of us pretty much got along very well.
So I think a lot of people didn't understand that about us.
Really, I don't think people knew much about us at all until the streaming era, Race for War for Earth era.
Zyro was like the only person in the entire guild that streamed for a while. I remember watching his stream on Legion Launch and
He's in like some 10 dark heart that get for like three hours like yeah, like grind up. It's like that
Yeah, yeah, it was like the only streamer back then and so
you know people didn't know much about us and
I think when Zyro
Zyro got a little bit of a little insider to how we are, but I think max of streams
during BFA really took off and
And that's pretty much how that went. I mean much of Legion was like
All right. All right. Well, I got some questions about Legion. Yeah. All right first of foremost the doys incident. I
Was not okay. I was not reading
There for that. Yeah, I was there for that. Yeah, I was not reading that to here. Okay. Yeah, so what happened
I remember that would that was like a massive like
Controversy this time. I'm forgetting the boss. I think it was just Argus
there's a healer sitting, and this is all just, you know, conjecture we think happened.
Wasn't it like, did they, did they like figure out?
Maybe somebody figured it out. I think to this day he denies it, but...
Could maybe go SC or A.
Yeah, a healer was sitting and happened to know the IP address of another healer in the raid,
and did a little denial of service attack or whatever the DDoS stands for,
and it made him lose internet and it's like,
oh, you've come into the raid.
And I think he got the kill, I can't remember the specifics
of it, it's been so long.
So, back then, Jeef, who, a lot of people nowadays
really know him from ECHO.
Jeef is not the DDoSer, by the way.
No, no, Jeef is not the DDoSer, just be clear.
I'm just setting up some background info.
So like, people probably know him from ECHO,
but he used to be in limit at the time.
He was a healing officer,
And something that he liked to do, he started this up in
Tomb of Sargeras.
He liked to have the healers in a separate discord and
overlay the discord comms over.
Back then we were using mumble still for voice instead of
like this.
We used to use discord for the chat and stuff like that.
But he would like to have the healers overlay comms over
the raid comms so that they can speak to each other and
communicate.
I'm doing this I'm doing this if you like watch any Tomb of Sargeras kill video from healer probably probably like if the comms are
Enable you'll probably hear that like double coms them like double calming and like communicating. I'm healing this
So I'm person external in this guy stuff like that. So he liked to do that
So I think this DDoS attack happened in the healer discord
Like I think the rumor is like there was a link that got sent to one of the healers
And he clicked it and then that I think it was like what do you think of my cat or something like that?
Yeah, the crypto
And then that had like an idol a scraper. Yeah
Okay, the other question that I had related towards Legion was the bands. Oh, yeah
So look at band twice and to miss our gear is and then still got us first
Once I'm too much. Okay. We got band in
Triloveller
I think I think it's got band twice. There's two two bands. Yeah, there were two bands
I thought it was like the band for RFT, the band for Band-A-Vating.
Yes, yes, yes. There's also another band in Trial of Valor.
Oh, yes, we talked about Hellia as well.
Okay, so we can go backwards. So let's do the Tomb of Sargeras one.
Okay.
So back in those days, and this is not just our guild, like a lot of top guilds of this,
they would do a lot of RMT-ing, basically boosting, right?
So they would boost for real dollars, and a lot of times Blizzard back then would
blind eye to it, but what they really didn't like was like piloting accounts.
Yes.
Yeah, so...
Like, I think we all know people who paid for college with like, CM sales.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, there are people that even worked at Blizzard that currently work at Blizzard
that used to raid that...
Look, if Blizzard didn't ban you, you know, it was kind of okay.
Yeah, yeah.
But they did not like the piloting stuff.
That was like what really was an issue, and so there were a lot of bans.
I never piloted anyone, so I never got banned.
I never got banned.
Yeah, me and Cams were squeaky clean on the piloting thing.
OK.
But there were a lot of people that got banned.
And so we were like, OK, what are we going to do?
Like, we can either give characters, transfer them
to another account, and then have people fill that out.
You want to artifact knowledge, right?
Yeah, we wanted the artifact knowledge.
Because Legion had an insanely powerful
Batlet Protection System for like,
being able to gear up alts called artifact knowledge
and it was like account-wide, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Well, it's not that account-wide,
it was that like they don't wanna grind up
a fresh character, it wasn't account-wide back then.
Oh, actually I know.
Yeah, it wasn't account-wide,
but we had alts and stuff
that were like, we could have people play those
and that happened and then that was the second ban.
And at that point, we were like...
New accounts?
No funny business, no accounts, cleaning our hands of all this.
We're just going to have to do this the old fashioned way.
And we've been pretty clean since then.
Do we just like to...
I remember being surprised that we got US first just because we had...
I still cannot believe that you guys beat easy.
Oh yeah, yeah.
I cannot believe that you guys beat easy that time.
Yeah, yeah.
So like after the second wave of bands we decided to like, you know, just make
new accounts, level characters.
That's okay.
Can we make like a week off or anything?
Yeah, I think we took a week off to do that, because not that many people got banned, it was only like a few people, but they were like key people.
It's ironic you've been twice!
Yes, it's ironic.
Geith, one of our healers, like, I don't think Max got banned.
There was like a shadow breeze.
Yeah, there were a handful of characters.
It wasn't like our whole raid, if that was our whole raid, like, tier would be over.
But I think the fact that we took a week off,
we leveled the characters, or those people level characters,
and got their artifact knowledge
because there was a catch up.
So you get reasonably leveled back up again.
That was enough for us and then got US first again
and that was maybe one of the most insane things
I've ever seen.
That's a very sad indictment on the US rating scene
back then, that that was even.
Look, possibly.
The US rating scene, that could happen again, probably.
But okay, well, maybe not, but US second.
Yeah, that was pretty rough for them.
Not so rough for us, I guess.
If ID got banned and the Pop-Tart corn dog was going for US
second or something like that, and then
ID had to remake new characters, that could absolutely
happen again, I think.
But the more interesting one is the Hell Yeah Band.
Because that one is just like, that one's not
unethical, but just from a competitive standpoint,
you would say it's unethical.
Not really from like you're making money, real life
money, awful boosting, which is wrong, obviously.
The Halia ban was interesting because back then we, our guild did not have like this mode of communication with Blizzard at all.
Um, sure.
Also, look at this line on the screen, it just...
Yeah.
Yeah.
This reminds me of the, uh, Soccer boss.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, that's right.
That's reminding me of Soccer boss.
That's pretty funny.
The blue line.
Anyway, uh, what I was to say was, okay, so the Halia thing, we didn't have like a mode of communication with Blizzard back then.
I think only like really the very very top guild said okay, so like method they they probably had a blizzard guy midwinter
Probably the blizzard guy, right any exorcist were also on top right then. Yeah. Yeah, but I think the exorcist
I used to talk to their GM every now and then and like to but I don't think they had like a
Person to talk like that kind of a statement as far as I know
But so we didn't have a guy to talk to a blizzard. We
We did something on accident in PTR, I think, and then we tried it again on live, and it
worked, which was that Helia has a mechanic where she will breathe across the platform.
She's a stationary boss, and then you have to like soak these heal absorbes.
They're different in the first phase, they spawn ads, but in the last phase they're
like heal absorbes, you have to soak.
And it pretty much like forces you to go to certain parts of the room where there's a lot of room denial
and like it's very dangerous to be out there because of other mechanics happening.
And so if you found out that if you suicided your tank during the breath cast,
it would cancel the breath but she would just not cast the breath anymore.
So that was great.
Yeah. Yeah. So at first we were like,
Like, okay, we need to report this somehow.
One of our tanks, not Max, but our other tank Risen, he literally made a Twitter account
with like zero followers and tweeted at Watcher like, hello Watcher, I would like to report
a bug on this boss, please respond, like something to that effect, right?
Like we never heard anything back from that.
And then, you know, our Prague was not going super great.
And then we saw that Exorcist and From Scratch killed the boss.
Yeah, From Scratch.
I remember From Scratch killing it like that.
They were French E.U.
Guild back then.
When they killed the boss, we heard that they did this bug.
And we were sick of the Prague at that point.
We weren't built for that kind of raiding at that point.
Everybody's kind of looking at Nighthold.
Everybody had a date for Nighthold and everyone too.
Yeah.
a hard stretch of like artifact power grinding and stop the whole expansion.
Actually you know, I think we would never, we would have never made the call to exploit
that boss. I think if we had made a hard requirement to max out the weapon, which we didn't actually,
we didn't have that requirement. And so we only had like five people with the full thing
and that was 5% damage. We actually, it was kind of crazy that we never...
Oh, that was the 32.
Yeah, that was 32. That was the 5% damage and healing. We didn't make that a hard
requirement for this raid, because we kind of didn't take it that seriously going into
it.
And to be honest, I think if we did have that, we would never have been in a position where
we were like, insane.
Yeah.
We would have not been in a position where we were tempted to do this.
So how that went was like we saw, okay, World 3rd and World 4th of Helia got killed
with this exploit.
So we were like, okay, let's just do it.
And we did it, and then like a week later, we got banned for a week.
That was a simple GG.
And Midwinner killed it and got US first.
That's true.
Did you release a Bruce Springsteen exclusive edition of the Hell You Kill?
It was actually probably a bad thing to happen because it helped keep the Guild alive for one more tier for Nighthold, which a disaster.
Did I remember?
Slow, painful.
The Midwinner S&F merger, the middle of Nighthold, just for Gold Ed where S&F releases this post saying,
Hey guys, we're quitting and then you see like one day later on like a different website
It was like the entire guild's progression got merged from midwinter and S&F into a guild called solace
Yeah, that's all I was a little good one boss
I was a little sore about hell yeah like the legitimate way to kill it because when I watched the method video
It looked a lot like the strat that I proposed
For us to use to kill hell yeah that all there are healers said worse. It was dumb
When did you quit raiding in limit, Jeff?
I did.
There's two moments.
I quit after Tomb, and then I quit for good, like after Baud, Battle of Dizarra.
After I came back in BFA, actually it wasn't even like raiding right away during Prague
and Old Deer, but we had like a weather situation, some people's power went out,
And it was a warrior.
We were like running a mostly castric comp on Mythrax.
And back then, key gear was like really good because it's just all Azerite.
There was no tier or anything like that.
And older didn't have like six trinkets.
So my GH was very geared.
There was a, there was Azerite that was specific to Oldeer that was like really good though.
Yeah, yeah.
But that scaled with the, like laser matrix, yeah, it's scaled with the zone buff.
So the first couple of weeks of Prague, it wasn't that good.
So you could run Azurite from Dungeons and it was pretty solid.
But yeah, my DH was very geared because I was just doing keys like the whole time while
they were doing Prague in the early bosses.
And then I came in on Mythrax and me and Trill were the two DHs just busting it up in there.
It was good.
Mythrax is a notoriously bad boss for Bayley.
That Inferiority I think has to be the worst melee fights of all time.
Yeah, yeah.
It was a pretty tough.
I think Vectis and Zekvoss were the only really good melee fights because you had a lot of
cleave on the stack cleave.
But yeah, Fetted Devourer and Mithrax were really, really rough for melee and I think
I was...
Me and Trill were like, we might have been the only two melee in there, we didn't have
any battle shout.
Oh no, we had a rogue, we did have a rogue I think or two.
So there were not many melee being run during that loss.
But yeah, so I came back, I played in Old Deer.
It was actually funny because there was one day on Mythrax where Max's alarm didn't go
off and he didn't wake up.
What was he playing then?
Tank.
Okay, he was on Tank.
Yeah, yeah.
And he was playing DK for that boss, I think.
Anyway, he didn't wake up in time so I had to tank Mythrax for a little bit as
a Vendors DH and it was not fun.
I remember you guys got World First Mythrax with that rock strat.
Yeah.
But you guys would like stay to the rock and like spawn all the adds on top of that.
Yeah, that was a little bit of a yank from Method back then.
That was an OP strategy.
Because they didn't use that specific rock, but we did see them use the terrain to mess
with the spawns.
So then we were like, okay, can we do it better?
So that's what the rock strat was.
What ended up going into the Extend incident?
Okay, so we had some really, really low, low, low percentage wipes before even the
lockout.
And we were like, okay, we had to make a tough call because we thought that we could just
get up and then like in the morning and then just kill the boss right away.
The problem was, it was a lot of debate because they were nerfing.
This is back when Blizzard didn't nerf during prods.
They don't really do that kind of stuff anymore.
Bans this rune.
Yeah, they nerfed.
There were a couple things they nerfed.
They nerfed Affliction Lock's inevitable demise as a trade and they nerfed something
with Arcane.
That was the OP-Drain solo, right?
Yeah, the drain life one, yeah.
The drain life one, yeah.
And Nerf, one other thing with Arcane.
I can't remember exactly what it was.
It was the big enough nerf that our major went fire for the execute,
which actually should have been the call from the beginning.
We probably would have killed it on that Monday.
And but what we didn't realize really was the Vantus Rune nerf
and how badly that would affect us.
Because that, I think of the,
Azurite trade nerfs happened, but the Vantus Rune one didn't.
Like we would have gotten it for sure.
Okay.
So there was just a lot of nerfs happening at the time.
It was probably a bad gun.
We were also sleep deprived because we slept for like four hours, I think.
And we wanted to get up really early to like just extend and kill it as soon as reset happened.
But yeah, I mean the nerfs to the Azorite Trace and the Vantus Rune nerf, that was a big part of it.
Again, we also made like bad choices.
Like we ran a Holy Priest instead of a Disc Priest.
Even though, like, I don't know what the rationale was, but disc was just better, both for healing and for damage.
I remember salve in that era being insane, though, from the whole deal.
Yeah, but like, the thing is, is disc, even though, like, it was like a ramp healer,
and G'Hun last phase was all rot, like, it was still, like, more, you know, it's just for that one phase alone,
it was just still the better healer.
And we really didn't jump on the disc train until, uh, EP.
Okay, the low actually like sub 1% right like yeah, it's like right there. Yeah. Yeah brutal. Yeah, that would uh
It was like a point one or something crazy old. I'm telling you man. We had a disprice. We would have gotten that on Monday
It was it was rough. Yeah, I think like
Obviously in hindsight, it's like why would you ever extend, you know?
Federal but we got so close
that we just were like we could just wake up and kill it because also yeah
methods still within their reset yeah and it was like they could kill it yeah we
can kill a week one they can kill week one yeah exactly yeah did you guys
actually told a Fed devourer have you tried swapping the ad space yes yeah so
Fed of Devourer was like insanely over tuned and the way it worked on Mythic
was there like small ads and then there's like a big ad the big ad not
killable. It really wasn't. Alice will have a better idea because she was actually in for that, but
it was straight up not killable and we were like telling them because at that point we actually
did have like someone at Blizzard we could talk to. We were like, hey man, this thing has a lot of HP.
Not even just a lot of HP, the most HP ever. Yeah, the most HP ever and they were like,
one of them was like, are you swapping to it right away? That was like one of those.
I don't know of like the full context because I wasn't the one talking directly to them,
But it is kind of a crazy thing to say.
I mean, you know it's messed up because method,
they stopped raiding altogether.
They went on to do keys.
So we did the same thing.
And actually, I remember it was funny,
because when they finally fixed it,
like we watched the method streamers,
they just all started rushing back into the raid
to kill the boss.
But yeah, that was also a very memorable story
from that tier.
It's probably good we didn't get US First,
or not US First, World First at Kahoon,
because that was the first tier that Method streamed.
And they may have just gone never again.
Look, the Raiders say that?
I think Skow was seeing dollar signs
that he would have put in different ways.
Yeah, he was, but that guilt has fallen apart around Skow
many times.
That is true.
The Raiders have more power than one individual.
Yeah, I mean, I remember there was a lot of debate
about the streaming thing even in bot.
And that obviously never ended up happening,
But back then, the Raiders really understood, and especially
after what we saw on Mythrax, any little bit of information,
you can tell you don't even, it's not necessarily even
a copying thing.
It's like you see someone do something,
and you're like, we can probably do this in a better way.
And that's a huge advantage.
So a lot of people were very anti-streaming.
I bet there's probably at least one or two people
each guild that are still probably like we should go dark as much as possible we
shouldn't be hiding everything we can you know that's just like it's an
information game this whole event and the whole race behind I mean the the truth
of it is like anything that you stream ever is giving information to the
competition yeah the reason that it's streamed is because now it is a you
know sponsored event where people are making money off of it yeah yeah like
It's always against your own self-interest to stream anything.
Yeah, I think at this point, you couldn't compete without it because it allows you to take so much time off.
B.O.E.
And be able to do, you know, so many weeks of splits and prep and stuff like that.
Yeah.
And you just wouldn't be able to find the people who could do that for free, I don't think.
Yeah, I think if Racer World 1st never turned into a streaming event, I bet, like,
the amount of split runs and all this stuff would not be a thing.
Yeah, the guild would be worse.
Yeah, it would be worse.
It would be way more like, you know...
Oh, Salt of the Earth type of gameplay.
When did the notion that, like,
yeah, my guild could be world first if we just raided the hours?
What did that guild tell me?
I think that has always been a thing.
Yeah, that is.
I think that's always been a thing.
I think it's stopped at some point, but I can't figure out when.
I mean, I've been in many different guilds, and like...
If you're like an X day guild, you're like, oh man, if I rate it as much as these guys,
like wow, it starts not even at like a world first level.
If you're a guild that's like US 20 or something, and you see a guild that's like US 18, they
rate maybe two more days a week out of, like they rate maybe seven.
They suck.
They're bad.
Yeah, exactly.
You're like, wow, you're rating so much.
It's also why there's a lot of animosity towards overtime rating.
As we know, a certain guild did a little bit of overtime rating.
No, no, no, it's not overtime rating, it's called a pop-up rating.
A pop-up rating.
It's like the spirit of Halloween rating.
Yeah, I think there's a lot of animosity there because guilds around that same skill
band, they got to recruit basically from the same pool of players, and potential
recruits are not going to exactly know the ins and outs of a guild's overtime schedule.
They're just going to see what's being posted in the advertisement, right?
Oh, a guild that says, oh, we rate five days a week, but then they have the secret pop-up
Saturday rate.
We never PTR test if we don't overtime.
Yeah, yeah.
Versus maybe your guild actually does stick to the schedule, and then it kind of sucks
to lose recruits to guilds that are basically lying about their time.
So that's where a lot of the whole, you know, we're doing so well, we're really
Rating four days a week and then this kills out here rating like seven then these guys are only like two two ranks higher
Then if we rated seven days a week, we would be us 10th or something
It's interesting because most of time whenever you're the guild that's like over timing you're like
Yeah, we're over timing and then they'll tell you the reason but the honest reason is just that they wanted to yeah
I want to they find the game fun. They think that being competitive
It's fun and they wanted to log in another day and rate
Yeah, but then they'll tell you because we want to get ranks or whatever, right?
They'll tell you like some secondary reason, but the ultimate reasons. Yeah, we just wanted to yeah
I think nowadays I think like people are way less, you know, this is the evade thing, right?
It's like my preferred rate schedule is like whenever I want.
COVID I think changed people's mindset towards like rating specifically,
because for the longest time it was like the most you would see people rate on NA was like
16 hours a week, unless you were limit.
I mean I would say even like a top 10 NA guild back in my day, back in my day,
like a 25 hour rate schedule is like a pretty heavy rate schedule and you were
expected to do pretty decently with that that was like the WWE schedule they
were like yeah five hours right yeah yeah we were you guys like was that like
five days we three and a half hours something random we were five days
five hours five days five oh yeah we were we were 25 yeah by the way five
hours a night insane it is pretty rough yeah like the at the fourth hour hits
and I'm like there's a third hour hits I'm like I'm kind of tired yeah
Our in limiter HFC schedule was day raid Tuesday seven days for five hours or like the other six days for five hours
Yeah, then the second week. We only rated five days five hours
We didn't rate that week or it was six days five dude
I missed the I miss when day raids were like cool
Yeah, like the first Tuesday of the the tier you day raid because you could actually go into mythic and like do
progression the the Tuesday day rate kind of died whatever
splits kind of took hold of the entire region yeah once yeah yeah the Tuesday
day raid did I remember even like the the revived midwinter would do the
Tuesday day raid yeah so it's like the second round yeah yeah so for contact
with God and then they came back the passion day yeah Tuesday used to be a day
of passion if you thought about it like would logically the Tuesday or a day
rate is probably not the best day rate it's probably like Saturday after you
We get an idea of what the raid looks like, what's bugged, what's not, what's overdue.
But Tuesday is fun.
It's so cool to just be like, yeah guys, we all took Tuesday off of work or school or
whatever, and then we logged on.
Everyone's in Discord or whatever voice channel, being like, we're waiting for servers to
come up, we're waiting for servers to come up.
As soon as servers come up, everybody logs in, you just go into the raid, do stuff.
world PvP in front of the instance portal and get smoked that happened to us one
tier you know all sorts of cool stuff happens on a Tuesday yeah like I
remember watching like BDG and Tumas Sargeras because they were like for the
longest time there was no guilt in like the top 20 world that was like streaming
anything maybe like the top 50 world anything I remember watching BDG like
day raid Tuesday and I was like this is sick yeah this is cool yeah Harry
vodka my goat oh yeah my goat yeah I think like what a huge reason midwinner
you know they're always pretty good us gild but they like really came up and
mop and I think it was because of creperian streaming and it was like the
first yeah that was the first time I watched you guys like big gild streaming
progression and kind of showing it to the world yeah it felt that way like it's
like oh I've not seen these bosses before yeah I was watching a Crip
stream imperial vizier in heart of fear and sometimes tabbing out into diablo 3
in the middle of the other memory I have of that yeah but yeah no that's a I miss
watching creep I used to watch him do hearts in arena all the time I was a I
was thinking about making a video about icecrown citadel I guess I'm going to
at some point it's just any more time yeah I found like I stumbled across a
video of him from like 12 or like 14 years ago where he's describing his
experience I didn't realize that he was I didn't realize he'd rated him winner
and I didn't realize he was like US third in Wrath as well like he was a
beast man that guy was insanely good I didn't realize like what scale he was
yeah back in when I was a youngster he was like known for being like the
he used to have like the highest Brutalis Parse as a hunter in TBC I
I remember that I just remember he like I know him is that horse stone content creator
Yeah, but that's all I've ever known him as because I didn't start playing to one
I didn't realize that he was like insanely good at wow. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's a big wow. Yeah. It was a big
Wow guys use a pro because the way he was an exodus in math
That's yes another guilt famous for exploiting a boss and getting banned look so it happens to the best
I was correct. Yeah, no their exploit was actually pretty cool, too
they like
If you are you familiar with zero light Yogg? I
Yes, Chinese Guild Star has got world for zero light, right? Yeah, a legit world for zero light
Look at the scoreboard. Yeah. Yeah, so
so when
Exodus exploded it like you know how you go into the brain room
Yeah, they had like a warlock and a healer both soulstone if I remember right and then like when you the brain
Like spits you all out
But if you die in there and then you don't get spat out
Okay, so they both soul stone and then the lock started life-tapping and then you'd spam heal the warlock to get threat on all the ads
That are like immortal on that fight in the last phase of the fight the ads can never die
So you have to like basically manage them
Like HP wise because they do more damage the more HP they have but then also like keep them separate away from everybody
It's was really rough on the tanks who have to kite and like if they don't do it right
They got one shot and they got banned over this they got banned because they basically did heal aggro threat to like make them evade
The mobs evade and just sit there the baddable thing is the
The soul stone
Yeah, yeah, no, no, it's a totally understandable band. Yeah, like that is an insane
It's like it's like a crazy look because back then you stopped them up. You shot the boss for new mechanics
Yeah, yeah back then people thought zero light was impossible like that was like in the era of like we don't know if
Mathematically, you could even do this boss and it took forever before that fight was killed too.
That was like one of the last China firsts. I think they also got Deathwing or something like that, right?
Yeah, but that was also because of Bands.
Look!
That was also because of a loot ban exploit from Paragon and Blood Legion and all them.
Oh, that was the first shoot that LFR came in and everybody was doing like, were they doing like helper runs or something?
Well, so what they were doing was they were getting one guy saved, everyone else saved,
one guy unsaved, and then he would just, it didn't scale with like the number of saved
people in LFR, so he was just able to like take all the loot, and they spammed that over
and over again.
I wonder if you could ban for that today.
I don't know.
Like obviously that's not intended.
I can't imagine they'd ban you outright or something like that.
Yeah, it was weird because it was LFRs coming in the first time, so the loot system for LFR was pretty much exactly like the actual rate.
When did you get into hardcore rating?
I got into hardcore rating in...
I was in a guild that was like, what do you consider hardcore rating actually?
What do you consider hardcore rating?
U.S. Top 10.
U.S. Top 10?
Ok, well US top 10 would be like in mop.
Ok.
If I was in a like top 30 guild in Firelands, and then we became like 22 in Dragon Soul,
and then that guild died, and then I went to WWA where we were like 16, then like 4,
and then yeah.
What was the like rating with Baby Jace?
Baby Jace was after me.
Oh, he was after you?
Yeah, he was after me.
What did you get in the hardcore rating camps?
Mop Mop.
Okay, I mean I rated in like a four day a week, you know, I rated a lot but you know
We were world 300 or something in the Lich King and then
Kind of fell apart and I did 10 man thing with my friends through most of Cata and then a mop I joined vodka
Which died the OG vodka yeah, it died like a week after I joined because the tank just disappeared
and they merge with Exodus and guild mergers don't go very well.
Usually they don't, it's very rare.
I've never seen a guild merger go well except for us.
Outside of the limit, yeah.
And yeah, then that fell apart after Throne of Thunder.
And then for Siege of Orgrimmar, yeah, it's a duality.
Yeah.
And the Throne of Thunder farm.
But yeah, just when you're talking about like Yogg Zero,
You know, like people going for world first and that's a man I wish I had like thought of even trying for that because I
Guilds on your server. I wasn't thinking about like world ranks and stuff
I wish I started playing earlier than I did like that's one of the things that like obviously I didn't start into wad
but like I really I
Would like look back at like old stuff like older than like whenever I started back. I wish I started playing
Yeah, you you started playing in a time where like I would say like Blizzard's
MO for raiding kind of got standardized. So they did a lot of weird stuff prior to that
expansion, prior to mop I would say. They did a lot of weird stuff. And yeah it was very
different. It was a very different scene back then. And honestly the classic versions of
the game that exists don't really capture that because they are things that like you
probably familiar with classic while it's always on like the last patch.
Well the social culture I think also is like a...
Yeah it's very different.
And I think that's like a part like
Whenever things are solved like whatever you have like a good understanding of like what's gonna go on before it happens
It's a different gameplay experience for sure. Yeah, yeah, and like, you know people didn't really stream and tell them off like
Early wow there wasn't even YouTube or maybe if there was there's crap. There's crap uploading his ex at this video
Yeah, I mean you had the warcraft movies calm if there was YouTube
It wasn't something people like really knew about while YouTube was mainly like
Paragon and met the kill videos and like PvP videos. That was pretty much it
No one was like and then yeah Crip has like done a bunch of videos in the past
That's really all I can think of like when I think of like old-school while YouTube
Preached it a bunch of old stuff, right?
It's all probably but I I've never watched a preach video until Legion. That was pretty got massive in like
uh... wad and lesion yeah yeah that was like when i watched any preach videos
but uh... like
my mind growing up playing well it was all like you'd be videos
and some boss kill videos
i wasn't really into pvp boss kill video
oh really i loved them i don't know why i didn't like
no i wasn't really into them until
uh... paragon came around the one
pvp video i liked prior to rap was like the
uh... kill jade and sk gaming world first that is a great yeah that is
That was a sick video, but other than that, I was really into PvE that much until Wrath.
Like I was a big PvP guy back then.
Yeah, I love the Memoron, that's a pretty good one, Insidium Memoron or Nehalon, whatever
they were at the time.
Yeah, they were in Insidia.
Insidia Algon was good too.
Yeah.
Yeah, but with all the boss quotes and stuff, I do what I must.
Stuff like that, it was good.
Yeah, I loved Wachaw stuff.
I don't in the vodka ones were always great. Yeah, it turns me to a lot of music that like I don't let's do that much
But I still have a playlist on Spotify with some of it on there
Yeah, yeah, the different expansions you can kind of tell like what the popular music. Yeah, like mop is very like
It's not trying. I'm trying to think of what it's like house music probably maybe yeah trance was big was was like
Yeah, yeah, Rathlitz King was the trance expansion. Yeah. Yeah
But yeah, I just never I just played well with my friends and we'd watch that stuff and talk about it
And it wasn't like let's climb the guild we kind of just stuck
Where we were until the guild died like painfully yeah
And then just all my friends kind of slowly stopped playing one by one and I still wanted to keep playing and it's like okay
I'm just gonna apply to every top US guild and hope one of them accepts me
Yeah, I got into the guild that I was in in Firelands because they were the best skill on my server
And I slowly like ended up you know networking and making friends with some of the people in there and then I apply
I applied to like a multiple times
It was like my second or third time that they were like oh, yeah
We can bring you along cuz they actually got to know me. It's good
You can get very gatekeepery back on the day to back today. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean it's
They used to be more click. They used to be more click. Yeah. Yeah, so it was it was I would say guild applications
Nowadays are like a little corny to me right because like yeah to me to me like if you are applying to a guild like all you need
To do is like
Let's see your UI
Give me your logs. Why are you leaving your other guild? What's your experience like that's it? It used to be like all sorts of
I had a guild interview with a guild called pie chart. Oh, they were good in
Going into mob this before I got into wda. This was a I
I like one of the interview process was me getting interviewed like in front of the entire guild and I'm like
What are you doing?
My
Yeah, like what what is this like?
Like right after rain you show
Voice of them. Yeah, it was so it was so weird and uh
You know, I didn't get into that guild and actually all right. I'm gonna drop a little shade here
I'm kind of glad I didn't because when I got into WWA it was going great, and then we were PTR testing
Throne thunder and we did it like a joint PTR test with pie chart because we didn't have enough people obviously to like do a full
25 man raid and like those guys were a they were kind of annoying and B. They were very bad
So hope if you were in that guild, I'm sorry, but I have a core memory of
Primordial PTR testing not going very well because of you guys
Yeah, I remember I had a I was a kind of interview when I got to limit it was like Max
Got into a Skype call with me because I knew him from duality
Yeah, and mid when I was dying and I was just like he would message me every once in a while like come join
It's like what we're they rating we're gonna get you know, we're going for world-first and then we're going
You have been on the list since we like there are a lot of players
that ended up joining way later that were on the list when we made the guild back in like what cams was one of them
Jello was one on Jello's lock. He was one of the the Percy player who played on court, right?
Sang was one of them sang we wanted since like we made the go saying from Trill Trill was the friends with sang
Yeah, but but sang what we actually I think we're like, I guess you could call it headhunting
We're like headhunting sang back in help our citadel because he's a stream like he was streamed to like not a very not a lot of people
But he was really good. Trill was also there both in the same guild and we wanted both of them
We didn't get Trill until a night hold
Farm I think and then sang we got a little bit after that. Yeah. Yeah, Trill
Raid Trill and sang very good a guild like Exiled Legion and then
Sang ended up joining might and Trill joined. Yeah. Yeah, and then I had a couple friends in WWE
I always wanted the guild we never got them
and
Then yeah max had a whole list of people and he I think he ended up getting everyone that he wanted pretty much
Except for BTY. I think BTY is the only person that we never got.
I think he just quit.
Yeah, he did, yeah.
I don't even know who that is. Where is he from?
He's from Duality.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I hopped in a Skype channel with you and you just said something like,
yeah, you want to join?
And Max says you're good.
And I was like, yeah. And I was like, oh, all right.
Yeah.
That was it.
Yeah, I was very skeptical when we first made the game.
Not of you, but of in general.
People being like, oh, a guy I played with is good.
It was a totally different thing.
You know mm-hmm playing in different guilds and like that
But we got like a handful of people actually dosu was the one where like I stopped questioning like whenever
Max or someone to be like all this guy's good because dosu was like
He had a very abrasive personality to people outside of the guild. He was a big poster in a
Remember he had like this ace Ventura profile picture, so I just imagine like this is what he looked like
He's like all like snarky and like annoying now. I was like, I don't want I don't want to play with dosu man
I and then like he we ended up taking him in. He's one of my favorite people. I've ever played with he's like he's so great
he is like
always backup my friends
People I don't like or people who are against my friends. I hate them
I hate them with all of my being and I will I will always back up my friend. Yeah those kind of guys
He's so funny man. I miss playing with them. Yeah, but I did challenge mode sales with him
Yeah, danger Dave. Yeah. And so we like the end of duality. I think it was like me poor soren dosu and a bind
Yeah, blackhand. Yeah. Yeah. He was great. Yeah at that point. I was like you listen. I'll take your word for it
No, no, no words go for world first. Yeah, they were day rating they're going for world first
They just got a world third in
Blackwark Foundry. Yeah, you guys got World First on Iron Maidens, right?
Yeah, World First Iron Maidens. I remember everybody thought that you guys actually could get World First after you got World First Iron Maidens.
Yeah, that was kind of a surprise. Yeah, that was a tough, that was okay.
That was probably one of the most fun tanking bosses, too, because I really, I tanked that tier for WWA.
It was great. That was a really fun boss to do.
You get to go out across the boat, and then, and then like you do like the one platform without a healer.
I was playing a remastered monk back then. They were really OP I see soxing the chat. I only I
Love my time in midwinter. I gotta meet a lot of people. I mean, so I didn't leave
Oh, yeah, and it spanned a lot of blizzcons for some reason like these couple tiers like
HFC in the night hold it was like so many blizzcons. Yeah
Yeah
I think midwinter is the one guild where like I met so many people from that guilt over and over again
And I like never braided the the era of like you go to blizzcon every single tier
X-Gild has a BlizzCon house right now.
Yeah, X-Gild has a BlizzCon house, yeah.
Yeah, that...
Like, there was something special about that era.
Yeah, it was fun.
It's hard to even describe, but I think it's all because we were just, like, a lot younger, right?
Yeah, that was also...
Priorities.
You know, that era was, like, when I met...
Like, I met Atlas for the first time in real life back then.
We have, like, a very famous photo where me and him are, like, posed together like we're going to prom.
And, uh...
Yeah, we had met Soksi there for the first time.
lot of midwinter people the midwinter house was the next the cultural nexus
yeah for all the top-riding guilds yeah I don't know why but so kind of like yeah
max and for you would come by with the fireballs yeah yeah your your long
islands yeah yeah yeah you made a new year remember that yeah yeah they're
pretty strong for sure. Yeah they're good times. Yeah they're great. They're not having a house this
year. Really? No. They want to do like uh something in Mexico or something like that. Oh okay. We do.
Midwinter they want like uh non-blizzcon. Yeah yeah they're the era of like guild cons.
ID does ID con like a lot where the guild like just meets up. Try this as a guild does that too.
Yeah yeah that's the era we're in now we're in guild cons.
But it's not as fun because you want to go to all the guild houses, all the guild houses in the same color.
Blizzard started, you know, whenever they start canceling BlizzCon.
Yeah, that basically killed a lot of it.
That killed a lot of it, yeah.
Because everybody wanted to socialize, but like it's...
And I think, like, you know, a lot of guilds, like, they have a lot of young guys,
but I think because that got killed at the same time and the cancellations and COVID and all that,
Yeah, you know, there was no like inheriting of the tradition of like just having guild houses anymore
Yeah, it's like an old-head thing now
Yeah, I think like Anaheim or at least like the HOA's or whatever in the area like crackdown on what's allowed
Yeah, all the different Airbnb's or short-term rental kind of stuff
Because well, there's a convention center there might not just people is con many other conventions
I remember do you know got a house a pretty 19 and that place was insane
I went to the DNO house back in like 2017 I think.
Yeah.
Yeah, I was there for a very short amount of time.
Oh, in DNO?
Yeah.
OK, I didn't know that.
Well, like the house, not like in the guild.
Oh, I thought you were the guild.
No, no, no, no, no, no, I visited their house
for a very short time.
Of course, yeah, you're too elitist to join the likes
of DNO.
No, no, no, it's just because I didn't know anybody there.
Yeah.
Yeah, and also, like, I vaguely
remember them not being that personable.
Some of them were cool.
Like, some of the people I met were cool.
that was i think around the time we were handing out business cards
yeah we had to deal with this as i think i made a bunch of
i think you made it
i don't know where i got the idea
but i think we were like kind of memeing on like a professional
no way, no way you thought it was serious
uh... and so it was like max with his b-net and his discord or something
and like an american flag
yeah
Okay, are you at the are you at the last shift of the day? Yeah, you have to ask about business card
You're asking about the business card, I think I have one still at home really
That is dominant oh
That's good
There's some stuff that was like so culturally wow that you're like I can believe that that happened
But also like I missed that. Oh, we were like making fun of a certain gill when we
We have this maybe maybe I can't remember or just making fun of you know being ironic. Yeah
Yeah, I see the one other yeah, cuz part of the no streaming in the guild was kind of just like we were too cool for that
Yeah money. This is passion. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, and so maybe it's like part of that like maybe we don't need sponsor
No, but it was it was very funny. It was very well made what changed after bond
I
I think two tiers in a row of methods streaming race to world first and like I think you get a little bit of FOMO in it
Because people don't know what's going on. There's all that famous rumor
That happened of about us and bought that we got like tilted and the
I'm all feelings muted. Yeah muted and muted in the channel
Clear you guys literally rated the re clear completely muted because you get that that literally did not happen
I don't even know where that I can't remember where I heard that from that
This is like the, you just unlocked a core memory.
Yeah, yeah, stuff like that.
And I know Max did like a little trial run
of streaming it when Crucible came out
because like no top kill took it very seriously
because of all the people doing NDI.
This is great.
I should send this to Bronk.
Oh, you got the business card.
I found a picture of the business card.
Really, this is good.
Scroll to the left.
And then it was like that was on the back.
This is good.
And I think that was his bear.
like kind of stupid oh the purple bear purple bear that's what he was that is
hilarious yeah yeah I think um yeah you have to ask him about that during the
after after the blackout spotlight I think I love it you'll get a good kick
out of that yeah man things were very different back then but yeah the days he
We did the trial run in Crucible with the streaming, he was playing Havoc DH, he was a very tough boss, the Cabal boss, he was a very tough boss to play Havoc on.
And then you guys got sponsored by the Red Bull Gaming Sphere, what's it called?
Yeah, the Gaming Sphere.
Yeah, the Gaming Sphere, that's what it's called.
And that was a very interesting experience because we got to play in London and we were
playing on NA server still.
So we had all the benefits of playing on the NA reset or whatever people like to name
about, but all the downsides of playing on EU which includes plus 70 ping.
Actually you know what, the ping from London to...
I still can't believe you guys lost that tier.
Yeah.
Well, okay.
The thing is, our Prague, well not our cause I wasn't writing that anymore, but I was casting
it.
The spiritual hour.
I was casting it, you know, so the spiritual hour, our Prague was stonewalled by the ads
on the Sharping Unkillable for a while cause they had so much health.
Basically all the time we had like ahead of them was just gone, you know.
What was cool about that boss though was that I think both guilds believed that the other guilds comp was not viable.
The two heal versus the three heal.
Method believed that the three heal was not enough damage, and then we believed that the two heal was not enough healing.
It was really funny because then we both just killed it.
Meras I remember was like it was like Meras, Vlodok and Genji I think all on moon
Is that here's anything like that and they were literally like spam healing. Oh my gosh
Yeah, look at the bottom left there. That's the the limit maximum business card official official business only
Dude look at that. Yeah, that was on the back. There's the bear
You kind of can't tell it's the bear because it's like blurred. Yeah, that's the yeah the purple squint
it's the purple bearskin from the uh...
major
and i'm sure that's right in our back
those that bounce power
yes about the power
the tax of the very bottom
it's just a skill master
great leader
main tank
founder
dude founder is so funny
that's such a funny one
although at the american flag is a little bit of it
so dumb
were the days you have to ask me if you actually into those ups people if he
handed them out I think well I think I was the one that I made it just put it
amount to everybody to hand out to no no no I wonder max handed them out to
people oh no way I think he was yeah I don't think he had I think he was
pretty embarrassed that's so sick but it was I love that you still have one of
those that's so funny yeah I had to keep it it's my little box it's with
with other little wild treasures.
Yeah.
But yeah, I think he was very embarrassed about it.
And it wasn't like making fun of him.
I think it was, you know, making fun of like other people
going and being very serious.
Business parts, culture, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know.
I mean, it was, it was for fun,
even though it's kind of like a meme, right?
It was like, it was just ultimately for fun
at the end of the day.
Yeah.
And it was fun to like walk around the Hilton lobby
or something and just be handing up.
Hello, my name is Lippit Maximum,
have you ever heard of me?
anyone at Blizzard and you run up to him and then here's my elevator pitch
uh...
can't really do that
nowadays
i don't know if that really works the same
no i think you can hit up business cards i think it'd be equally funny
what did they get? what's the loot?
it looks like
did we get a stick?
bad! yep
wait was there a stick?
it looks like
oh wait there was
oh we got a stick
that's good
it's definitely not bad hold on that's good
Yeah, we want to stick.
I think that's male tier though, which is...
I mean, that could go to a Prezivoker or a Devavoker.
We're getting...
I don't know who the mains are in this run, so it's kind of hard to tell.
Well, I start to tell.
Do they have one more?
No, I think they have three more.
Three more? Oh.
I think they have three more.
Okay, are they doing the same thing?
Wait, wait, let me think.
I think they're Vashnik only right now.
Yeah, they're only doing Vashnik, yeah.
I mean, it depends on when they're done.
I can imagine a world where they send 20 manes after
numerous a wavecaller? Yeah, I mean, or 25 I guess.
You may as well if you have the time. Yeah, just like
plus five pieces a year. Yeah, and maybe even do
two of them. They've got a lot of pretty juiced guys at this point I'd imagine.
Yeah, I'm gonna check our good old trusty Raider IO
and see what
we have going on here. And yeah, they are doing mythic splits.
Oh, little multi-box.
We get the mishap. Thought he got banned for a second.
No, that's hopeful.
No, that's hopeful. Yeah, hopeful is the one that's always getting banned.
Okay, you weren't casting that here, right, Jet?
Which tier?
The Manaforge, right?
No, no.
What did you think of the hopeful ban whenever you first saw it?
I instantly knew what it was for.
It's always for piloting.
Well, yes.
You knew the offending incident?
I knew the offending incident. Yeah, yeah, because it was related to instant dollars
I knew I knew what it was for. I thought it was very funny that it got triggered like the day before the race
Because that kind of stuff usually gets caught early. Yeah
Unless I guess like they didn't know about it until literally some people are speculating that got reported to blizzard
But I think that's possible, too. We do that that happened to us
That was part of like why we got banned and to because we got spam reported by people. Oh, yeah
Did I remember we were not the only people like doing what we did like a lot of the top girls said that now
It you guys were the first like full guilt to get banned for it. Yeah from memory
It was like the entire raid and then a
Bunch of girls were still doing sales even after you guys got banned
I remember honestly got banned and bod per sales for our for RMT as well
And then like after the second full guild got banned for a couple people are in team pretty much everybody stopped yeah
So
The number of kills we have we have one two three four we have four vashnik kills left okay five kills no way total
That's right. Yeah, I thought in my brain of half being attention. That felt like number five
Yeah, yeah, so I see we have one kill six hours ago
Then we have another kill three hours ago then one hour ago then 47 minutes ago then nine minutes ago
Yeah, so they're speeding up. Yeah, so we have like one more vashnik then okay
Yeah, then unless I'm this greater. I was lying to me, but I believe him. I trust him either scissorack or
Wave collar. Yeah
Somebody chat says jet. Did you know immediately when hopeful got banned? I can't believe hopeful was stupid enough to talk in discord. I can't
Leave it stupid enough to talk about it. Oh, I actually I don't know like how
Like people figured out that it was him, so I assume he probably talked in discord and that's what happened
But I knew what it was for because I knew like you knew that you knew that he was
piloting the basic Anton. Yeah. Yeah, cuz
The ID mage like his computer exploded. Yeah, and so they were like, you know, they they both live in like the same area
Yeah, so they were like, okay. Can you play my guy?
Yeah, the funnier thing was like if MMO champion was still a thing people would have been very very very mad about that calling it like an
Injustice or something on society
Honestly, we're gonna be real, it was kind of a downgrade.
I'm just not this good.
Yeah, Friday?
Oh, trying is good. Trying is very good. Trying, uh,
trialed in limit at one point
in Antwerse, on a monk, I think. But
I think he didn't want to raid that much. Yeah.
He doesn't play anymore, though. Rest in peace. But, uh,
yeah, that was, that was what happened there.
Well, he's healthy now and he will not commit.
Everyone who's joined this guild has got to get slapped once, if burned.
Yeah.
Well, some people are squeaky clean.
Yeah, that's fine.
I don't think he's had any.
I don't think he's ever been...
No, no.
He had that controversy with the spell-seeker.
Oh, yeah.
That's right.
Not a single clean hand in this guild, man.
He didn't get banned over that, but he did get a lot of hate.
Yeah.
Not a single clean hand in this guild full of miscreants.
Dude, the hate for that was crazy.
The language being used is I think it's just funny that he did a very bad job of hiding it
Like like you could see like the focus texture on the nameplate and then like
You know the hate relative to the actual was
Yeah, I mean quite strong. It's funny because like I think the rogues were like in all the guilds were exploiting on
Kai that's a right
I mean what about the time that those DK's kept desummoning their pet during their DT to be able to get additional damage
Yeah. I mean like I don't know. Like that stuff to me it felt I feel like there's
so many times where I read about a class that's abusing a bug to be able to do a
bit more damage. I just you know the one point I was talking about how the race
rule first only has two rules which is to kill the boss you know the last
boss in the raid and to not bug out the bosses. I yeah the rules of the
race rule first I've always said kill the boss first don't get banned those are
really two rules yeah and so people do all sorts of weird stuff to like get you
know whatever advantage some of it is bad like for example
bugging out a boss ability so the boss never does it does it again and then
some of it is like they'll keep it in one quadrant yeah and not doing it
intended. Yeah, yeah. Or Sneak.Lua. Or Sneak.Lua, which I'm kind of, you know, Blizzard was very
gracious about that. They were very gracious. They were very gracious about that one. But
I don't remember what I first heard about that. I thought for sure they were gonna
band over that. That was crazy to read about. Yeah, yeah. Was that confirmed? Yeah.
True. Because I've heard... Toba was a... Other sides that say people don't know
what they're talking about.
Yeah, Tobbo was amongst the offenders back then.
I'm sure there's some misinformation about it, right?
But I suspect that the general premise of it is probably true.
Yeah.
How much does Tobbo know about the code, or whatever of it all?
Oh, I don't know.
I think he gave it to...
Yeah.
No, it wasn't him.
It was somebody else, I think.
But Tobbo, like, I think he was there at that event or something.
He knows, like, the whole skinny behind it, basically, since he was writing with
them.
Yeah.
i just want to make sure i'm getting the correct information who knows i mean
it gets it gets worse and worse in terms of misinformation
not just about sneak all over like about everything i mean it definitely yeah i'm
sure that there's a decent amount of misinformation related to result
yeah who knows i mean
i think that i think the broad strokes of that are probably true yeah there
was some way of bypassing private or is
and uh... but yeah like there's always things that happened that
is you just kind of don't know if was just gonna do anything about it oh
my goodness look at that
in seventh place
We have PopTartCornDog showing up on the leaderboard,
dragging us in the back room and the cast room,
rubbing his hands together.
Yeah.
Thank you for celebration.
Yeah.
Big doctor at kill.
Dude, is he gonna kill Vashnik too?
I think so.
I mean, I don't think, if you're not splitting the rate,
I feel like you have a pretty decent shot.
Yeah.
Of just like getting it done pretty quick.
I think people will be at that like four out of eight.
What a beast.
Four out of eight is a good spot to be at
on a Monday, all things considered.
Oh yeah.
That guy's been raiding every day.
Yeah.
Did they start Mythic tonight too?
I think so.
I thought they did the first two, and then they just kind of.
I saw him on Turtles tonight.
So.
OK.
Well, yeah, well, they're mowing it down.
Yeah, that seemed much more like a normal Mythic raid
except for it's Monday.
Well, I think their raid ends in like 20 minutes as well.
So the odds of them killing Dashnik seems fashion.
Come on.
a little bit.
You know what?
We can do passion kills.
They are passionate individuals.
They've got a video.
They've got many videos.
They can have a pop-up 3-hour extension.
Yeah, pop-up extension.
Yeah, let's extend a little pop-up.
See, we had some questions earlier and you might have some insight into this.
How much do you remember about the Adoysti DOS?
You were not in the guild then.
Okay, never mind this.
Yeah, he joined prior to BFA.
Oh, okay, okay, okay.
Yeah.
Because I feel like a lot of the people that would know a lot about that, especially
the misinformation that's your joint before me and I thought I was there for
it no it's your joint before all dear right before all dear oh yeah wait
wasn't yeah okay nevermind yeah I heard there's like a massive reddit thread
about that too I don't know how they got like mainstream yeah I'm trying to
think about how that happened how people knew about it maybe it was an
No, see, it's red.
Someone must have tweeted it.
That must have been what happened.
Yeah, tweeted or something on the screen.
It might have been me.
I might have tweeted that out.
I don't remember.
I mean, it is a juicy story.
Yeah, it is a pretty juicy story, yeah.
It is maybe one of the most.
People were writing articles about it.
It was one of them.
Oh, my god, there's a PC gamer.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm looking at it right now.
Yeah.
Oh, really?
What is this?
I was looking at it.
Apparently, it's linked to a tweet,
but now the tweet's gone.
Oh.
Who's the tweet?
Oh, no, I can't tell.
lock with the like a bean at lock with the Santa hat on is that a discord
message no it's a Twitter is a tweet oh I see who's from yeah it could have been
you I was from Geith oh yeah okay that would make sense yeah Geith's back maybe
tweeted it out that would make sense
oh the oh can't wait for the next big drama to happen during the race yeah
Yeah.
First.
Was there any drama last year in terms of like outside the raid drama?
Not really, right?
I'm trying to think. What was the last big thing that happened?
I mean, the thing that escaped last time was the secret phase that kind of blew up outside of WoW sphere.
Oh, no, no, no. I just mean like stuff that's like ridiculous.
Yeah.
Not related to the raid like people, you know.
There was Genji Rep ban and then there was Hopeful Pilot ban.
And then there was Liquid's Amirisal Seed Reputation Band or rollback.
It was a rollback.
It was rollbacks.
But yeah.
I feel like I'm in a very safe position now to say that my Rep did not get rollback,
but I didn't do seeds.
I did the spam the Rep tokens and then have them double trigger and get me the renown.
And I never got banned for that.
If they retroactively banned me for it, so be it.
But it was very funny.
My discord name in ID discord is early and often because that's right. That's how you get away with it. I haven't changed it since
I feel like
Yeah, I feel like it's just those lately
Yeah, just like one off bands are like stupid rep farms things have gotten pretty tame
Yeah, that's the stakes for let's let's let's start something. Oh
I'm gonna make up that echo is actually doing 30 splits look
I thought we were due for some drama for a hot minute, and then we got blessed with the GM killing mobs
Not related to liquid but yeah, but the GM thing that is the most crazy thing that is the craziest drama
I've ever heard of your trauma. Yeah, that that part that was nuts
Yeah, I just did someone I don't know the people involved and any you know all that stuff
I'm just surprised they did not get like permanent really like they got 30 did yeah, or I
Seasonal require my taking away this might this is probably gonna be very unpopular because I think a lot of people are very like
Gung-ho on banning people. I actually am surprised that
They would ban those people for 30 days because it's not like they
Literally did something all they did was ask a guy who had the power to you and then the issues that are complicit
I think it's the ultimate issue there. I agree with your sentiment. It's like, you know
You ask the cop to drive the cop car and he lets you drive the cop car who's who's responsible, right?
Yeah, yeah, is there definitive proof that he was asked like like, okay, like if they said it
Yeah, they did say it. Yeah, is there definitive proof? I don't know of anything not really
Yeah, like I'm not gonna go to jail if I ask the cop car to drive the cop car
I would probably go to jail if he let me if he let yes
Yeah, you know or like will I go to jail if he let me actually this is going against my point actually I just realized probably yeah probably well
But the thing is is like
Okay, well I just defeated my own point with this analogy, but you know I still feel like
The the guy is the one that did it and so like well it makes sense
He get fired well it's kind of like if you ask the cop to drive the cop car and he laughs and goes no
Yeah, okay sure. Yeah, right like
Yeah, or you ask you ask the GM. Hey, will you kill this mob for me?
He just laughs and he goes no yeah exactly the coffee friend
I mean they were like benefit to the cheating it was cheating but if they were like they were beneficiaries
They're beneficiaries. They didn't like do it themselves. They didn't have the power to do it themselves
That's why I was I was kind of surprised that they got like a month ban
I would get like a cut two week ban or whatever. I guess a month ban
I mean they still like don't they still get all the rewards and stuff
I don't even know if the run got cancelled out or the rewards got rolled back.
Yeah.
We don't know.
If that's what I'm talking about, bare minimum is that they wouldn't get the 1% or whatever
they were pushing for.
Yeah.
I feel like they just got the month ban for nothing.
They just got a little vacant.
Yeah.
Blizzard didn't say what was actually being...if anything was rolled back, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then...
That was fun.
But some people were like, they need to be permoed and never be allowed to play.
I'm like, come on, man.
First of all, nobody gets IP banned anymore.
Yeah, I mean, I think that's, if they like actually did something crazy, you know, I'll
hack the mainframe and, you know, get access to GM tools, like, sure, you know, but they
asked a guy and he was dumb enough to do it.
That guy got lost his job over there.
I know, that was the most ridiculous part to me, is that guy literally just swung
of his career over a 23 nexus point, he's just a resilient key. Yeah. Yeah, that was kind of nuts.
But we all feasted. Oh, yeah. It was good. It was very funny. I got two YouTube videos on that.
Really? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Wow. That was crazy. Yeah. That was that was some nice drama.
that was that is mostly because it was like low stakes to i think i think that beats like any drama i
think i have been a part of her like scene like i that beats the adoy stados thing because like
it's literally a wow gm helping someone with like killing a boss unprecedented literally
unprecedented it hasn't happened honestly in all the years well i mean as far as this is
This is based off of Reddit comments, but basically if you use GM tools in their live
realms, there's something that goes off that instantly tells you.
That's what Blizzard said in a blue post.
Okay.
Yeah.
And they said this was isolated to one individual, not to one incident, but they said it was
isolated to one individual.
There is no other public logs that say that this happened ever again, or ever before.
Blizzard didn't say it was an isolated incident. They said it was an isolated individual. Who's really to say yeah
I don't know. I believe them. I think it was one time. I think it's unlikely that happened more than that
Yeah, it's insanely funny. Yeah, it is funny. Yeah, you're just like in a good mood
You got a little bit of power and you just go
This'll be fun. I don't know. I just I'm trying to put myself in the mindset of the guy
You must have just not it was just a momentary lapse where it was just like
Ah, this is like whatever and then just like oh, no, what have I done?
I thought he was like a relatively recent hire that so he wasn't a recent hire
He was like he worked for like three years on the Diablo team
Oh, okay, and then he was like recent to wow like within the last like month and a half or something
Okay, I mean I could see that like
Being a case of like I don't know. I think you got to be really stupid to do something
I'm trying to like I'm trying to like lend an olive branch this guy like maybe he like just didn't know he's didn't know
No, but like it's it's it's actually just like straight. He killed them off and they're 23
It's like straight stupid. Don't let them type the key. It's like straight stupid to be doing something like that
I don't know. I'm trying to think fairly for him, but I can't I can't think of anything
Yeah, you know he did contribute to the community in a way
Think about it. A lot of laughs, a lot of goofs, a lot of gaffs.
Really funny.
Yeah.
Oh, what's not funny is mythic split number six.
Yeah, we're reaching the tail end of these Vashniks.
Look, I gave it...it was time for the Unkship. We had to have some old talk.
Yeah, yeah. Honestly, this is good. It's quite a bit of a tone shift from last shift.
Oh yeah, the impressions, with all the impressions, and then the court proceeding for Alice is
a pop-up ride.
Pretty exciting to get my 4-7 next week.
Yeah, yeah, they owe you man.
Yeah, he's gotta be careful what he says out here.
What did you guys think about methods made in a virtue that Blizzard told them to not
do the solo take strategy on the fight and that they just like ran circles around
the boss?
I don't remember that
Or maybe it's made of vigilance. It was the tomb tomb the tomb boss. Yeah, I kind of don't remember that either
We were not that clued in okay with that because we were like a world fifth kill back then so
You know and also I had a little bit of correspondence with exorcists as GM
But like I didn't really talk to anybody for method. We used to okay
The most correspondence we had with method was in Hellfire Citadel actually because true fire knew you know Roger and all of them and
And we actually gave them tech, well it was like the bones of tech, for a week or on Shadow
Lord Iskar, where you, so Iskar did a mechanic where like people were chained together and
the only way to like resolve the chains is to like first of all be able to see if there
were invisible chains and you get to toss like an item to people with the special
action button.
And then they could see the chains and they could see who they're chained to and then clear with I remember that yeah
Yeah, we discovered in PTR that you could figure out who were chained without needing that and then clear it without like actually having to toss to people
So we made a week or a for it, but it didn't like we were like
Total moves we didn't know how to do any of like the week or us like fancy stuff
So when method killed gore fiend like obviously way ahead of us. We had we sent them the week or we were like
Can you try this and see if it works?
And they tried it, obviously it was like kind of broken,
so they fixed it up and then they sent it back to us
and they were like, yeah, that works.
The trick was that the combat log read,
so it's not just like who you're chained to,
it's like a certain order.
Sure.
And you have to do it in that order.
So the combat log applied the chains
to people in the correct order.
So all the, all the,
the week where I had to do was read it and then mark people accordingly and then you just
did a mark order to resolve the mechanic.
All I remember from Iskar is that first and foremost my guild never killed that boss
and re-clear because that fight sucked.
Yeah.
And secondly you had to like put like, you had to put like glaives in a triangle around
the room.
Oh yeah well you can feign deffa too then you just can't control that.
I can't remember that.
Yeah like you've just been so long.
I remember Zulharok, Zulharok and Manneroth I had like way more clear memories of both
of those.
But yeah, that was a, I was a DK fight.
I think Max will tell you it was probably one of the most fun fights to tank.
It was a very difficult fight and it was very fun to tank too.
I think that was like one of the last fights Watcher worked on when he was the encounter
design guy.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I did not know that.
Yeah, yeah.
Before he became Game Director, he was all in on encounter design and especially
I think like in Mop and Legion or not Mop and Legion, Mop and Wad.
I think, I think, don't call me on this, I think that was one of his fights.
It was a really good fight.
I remember the, uh, I remember Manoroth with like Rogue, Smoke Bomb, and DPS.9 had Mass Script at that point in time, too.
Yeah, that was a little it.
Yeah, that was good.
I remember tanking that in a farm raid on a DK that was like very undergeared, but it was really fun.
They could, they could bring back Rogue, Smoke Bomb, probably.
Haha, yeah.
Cause that was like, it was like 20% DR and then LLS.
Yeah, something like that, yeah.
Something insane.
Yeah, and uh, sometimes you could take advantage of LLS with it.
Not that many cases, but there are some cases.
That's probably why they got rid of it, and they were like, we are never giving it to them.
Well, the Manneroth one, it was good because you would stack all in the smoke bomb in the imps instead of using the mass grip.
They were just like waddle on it, and be like, I don't have any line to anybody.
Yeah.
So, how you got the Archimonde radar?
Through method?
Yeah.
Because that's what you did.
Hold on.
You say you put the pieces together?
No, I know you guys got it.
Yeah.
Yeah, I remember watching, you know, some people are fuming because of the American music in the...
Oh, yeah, the real controversial thing...
I was watching it going, hey, hold on.
The real controversial aspect of our Archimonde kill was that we pretended like we solved that mechanic, Natty,
and all our POVs in our videos covered the radar.
Oh, that's right. In the video, the public videos, you guys covered the radar, but I think
I think either Max or Tags just discord streamed me or something, the kill, and I saw the radar
and I was like, like, hold on, how did you get that?
I think we spent so much time trying to make our own.
Yes, we know.
I think every guild tried to make their own radar, especially because Method used the
very simplistic version of it for their heroic arcane on instructional video on how to
kill it.
And we were like, wait a second, hold on.
Yeah, that's why we saw that too.
Yeah, we need to make one.
We need to make one of these, and we couldn't.
So we did a little bit of a, you know, we reached out.
We did a little bit of a reaching out.
A little deal.
Little deal, we make some deals.
We're good at making deals.
We helped you on this car.
We helped us on wheeling and dealing.
A little bit of dealing.
Trufire mostly did the wheeling and dealing.
But yeah, we gave up on trying to make it.
But yeah.
And then we hit it in our POVs and killed it, yeah.
I remember that was the first time I think Exorcist's Raid Tools came out and had that as a part of the base functionality.
It was like a farm, yeah, later on.
Yeah, like really later on. I didn't feel that fight until I was like, I was like, rule rank 300 or something insane.
Yeah, yeah, eventually, yeah, everybody got a hold of that through ERT, but it was a really fantastic, it was really super...
that's probably still one of the most complicated we've ever made in raiding
i think paragon is maybe the only
to do the
definitely the only he'll be careful yeah they had like seven hundred poles on
our come on because they were just doing in that he
yeah saying that
the most insane add-on i ever saw was the star auger one
couple years later
even though the argument was crazy
was a star auger one
you remember the star auger matching the camp yeah
it would
it would like highlight of red the people that weren't
the people you're supposed to match up with in highlighting the people you're supposed to match up with.
Oh, the like, gameplay weak aura stuff that like, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember the gameplay stuff that just made it more visible.
Yeah.
Like getting into like a, an icon rather than like the floating thing above the head.
But I don't remember like a color shift.
If you remember, okay, because I think like, uh, if you were a high enough rank guild, you probably didn't benefit from this as much until Exorcist like finally released it.
Um, but there was a lot of gameplay stuff in Nighthold that also like, that was like almost on the same level as the other.
the same level as the Archimonde radar where like Archimonde radar came out and Blizzard
was like, okay, we are no longer letting you access positional data in inside.
Well, they locked down friendly nameplates too because of that.
Yeah, well, yeah.
The friendly nameplates was not locked down as the next thing in the night hold as a
result of some of these guilds creating like all these crazy names.
You're talking about the Archimonde slash range six thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, the Archimonde radar was not a nameplate related thing.
It was a positional.
able to know like exact positioning of people within the raid and they are not allowed to
have that info anymore or from that point on you aren't allowed to have that info anymore.
And then the next evolution of that was in Nighthold with some, I don't know if it was
Justin's Orses, there were a couple of guilds that were doing this, with really fancy main
playweek whores that were like project lines and stuff or big dates.
That was the one too, yeah, the lines.
And then they were like, nah, you guys aren't doing that anymore either.
So that was like the next thing that got broken.
I remember how to download KUI to put the lines on my screen where you literally draw the lines of the people that you're supposed to go to.
Not the KUI.
Yeah, actually I think before the Archimonde stuff, you have to go all the way back to Wrath of the Lich King, ERT.
Which was like, basically it was able to look at projectiles and stuff on boss fights and see where they're going to land and project that onto your screen.
I remember there was like, VAR maybe?
No, not VAR.
VR is football mate.
No, yeah, that is right, you're right.
There was the one where you draw another picture.
That's your subject, dude.
AVR.
AVR, that's what I'm thinking, not ERT. I don't know why I said AVR.
AVR is what I'm talking about.
Yeah, we would project stuff on the...
VAR.
Did you ever download that? I never downloaded it.
No, I never use it.
It was really good on Professor Futureside.
I always liked the big one.
Add-ons were always broken in World of Warcraft.
Actually, add-ons were more broken in World of Warcraft.
The problem is that nobody was really taking advantage of them.
Yeah, true. Like really, the nobody was really pushing the limits.
True, man. We were all just cavemen, like trying to
create fire in different ways.
Yeah, I had I had power or as an ICC, maybe in the old war, too.
And that was just like, you're on another level.
If you can see when you got a debuff, I'm like, oh, my goodness.
Yeah. And even power or as is like pretty rudimentary back then.
Yeah. But it was like, but you could always make those weak or as and stuff like that.
Right. Like you can see that in classic now.
Granted, it's like a the base game is like a little different client, but you could all have always done that kind of stuff
Yeah, there was like a disease or something on Lich King P1
Yeah, like throw it on you run out of the raid or something like that
And it's like I just had something pop up and it was just like why it's OP. Why the people not get this
This is insane. Like I never messes up
Yeah, so there were a lot of things you could do but we were just too dumb back then
Yeah, it really is evidence to whenever you do classic like
Moth, Cata, Ratholichking, where things that used to be so hard back then are so easy simply
because people just know better, they know how to do things.
Yeah.
When is the classic that gets re-released that actually is hard?
Or is it anything?
I would say, okay, I'll say this, Mururu in TBC for whatever reason when it re-released
and classic, it was still like farming guilds, even when that re-released.
Okay, but didn't someone say like 45 minutes or something?
Yeah, not on like a world for O, but keep in mind like the race and classic is different
because they get to practice like endlessly the full raid on PTR.
Oh, perma?
Yeah, they just get to practice.
What, the cringe?
It's kind of cringe because like it's just what they do is they just leave it open
on the weekends so like it's permanently open on the weekends perfect time for
people to test stuff and they just like you know everybody knows how to do the
bosses so what they do is like they do speed runs yeah so like that's the
whole bit is like some of us are in two hours because these guilds spent like the
past two months on PTR every weekend like trying to get routes and like it's
basically MDI that's literally what was it like Lich King 5% or whatever or
Lich King 0% hard on in real wrath no no no no no on oh classic classic yeah it
was actually for some guilds the world first like speedrunning guilds you know
they've been practicing forever but like a lot of people a lot of people thought
that it wouldn't even be killable week one which is really weird because then
like I think was like beef bar is the guild I think they were the ones that
got world-first like speedrun for the release they did it like so easily and
I remember like we have there a couple people in ID who are in the Guild of Who
which is like one of the back then like one of the top NA classic guilds and
they were saying like oh this is gonna be so much smoke and we were making
fun of them because like everyone in ID like likes to make fun of the who
raiders the who heads we like to call them and it was kind of embarrassing
because they were gassing up the lich king stuff I think they like you know took
the Kool-Aid that was being spread in the within that guild that lighted the
classic they thought that they would have to like split ICC or something just
to get the gear to kill lich king next week but then clearly that was not
the case so yeah you know some I think like if you want to talk about
stuff that actually gets hard. I think mop is like where it starts getting hard.
Actually a little bit of kata I would say was a little hard too. Even though my
experience when I got US 22nd or 24th on this boss, madness was apparently
pretty tough on classic kata. This was like the real-life kata
and I don't really understand why. But yeah I would say mop is like when it
starts to get a little bit tough.
OK.
Yeah, that's when it's like in Rathalichkin,
they spent so much time experimenting with hard modes
and things like that.
And then Cat, it was like, OK, now we
have this own difficulty.
And they kind of got used to it there.
And then Moth, I think, just really was like,
yeah, we know what we're doing now
as to what hard bosses are.
That's when things started getting really rough.
The problem is though is that all of these classic expansions are releasing on their
last patch and if you are not familiar with how Blizzard used to do things, class, balance
and design both would change drastically between patches back then.
So like, you know, for example, Warlock Gate was completely different for like actual
regulation, versus how it is at the end of MOP, where gates used to have a charge system,
so there was no...
Oh yeah.
And the charges would regen over time.
So that's how people ran like, any fight that used Warlock 8 was like, insanely OP.
That's what a lot of the Rodden Strat was, where you'd have a conveyor belt of swapping
the lightning debuff around, they would just take gates over and over and over
again.
just be more like spawning gates just yeah it was just the well you really needed
to cast the gate once but the gate itself had charges on it like could you use
multiple gates like if you have multiple warlocks you use it yeah yeah yeah yeah
so like that didn't they changed that in the last patch of a mop I believe so
like that did what that wasn't a thing the soul swap stuff for affliction was
like very different in Throne of Thunder versus in seizure of Orgammar
There's a lot of things that are very different.
You, Warlocks had perma-castle moving with all their spells.
Right now, if you've logged on MOP, it's just your filler spell, which is like how they
balance it at the end of the expansion.
But during Throne of Thunder and then like the first tier of MOP, you had perma-castle
moving on all, every single one of your spells, but you moved at 80% move speed.
That was like the downside.
Oh, what a shame.
Yeah.
And it wasn't even like perma.
It wasn't even like perma 80% movement speed.
It was like a two stacking buff
and you could let it drop like if you use instant back.
I'm telling you, I'm taking it.
Like if you're offering me perma castle movement,
I'm taking the 80% movement speed, I do not care.
And then.
Especially what it was up against.
Yeah.
I mean, one of them was sometimes useful.
Major A.O.E. is like huge.
Yeah.
But yeah, the perma castle movement was.
It wasn't even like major A.O.E. is sometimes huge.
It was like all the time huge, right?
Originally it was like perma,
Cedar corruption had like a 40-yard range on the AOE like your people get this
Kalamazzi guy a pass and you're no dude world lock and mop at the start of it was
so incredible it was like a modern caster class who they like completely
redid everything had an alternate resource system it was just like one of
the most fun experiences you could ever have and and I think like mop
classic because it's on the last patch you don't really get to experience a
lot of that you get to experience what I think is like a very watered down
version. Dude I remember whenever mop classic came out people were mad about
vengeance, really really mad about vengeance. Yeah. Like I remember there
was a lot of DPS players that were just extremely upset that they get beat by a
tank. It's weird because like we all knew that's how it was going to be right? So
like you guys should have expected that. Yeah I don't know I think it's just
one of the things that everybody understands like that it was like that
but then you get beat by the tank and you're just you've brought shame
upon your family and then you can't handle emotionally the fact that you've just been
beaten by a tank.
Yeah, I mean I remember on my real mop, Leshenkyl, like the damage readers were like your warlocks
and then like your monk tank, we're like up there, your Pali tank, your monk tank.
Pali tank was like topping the healing meters too.
Yeah, yeah, your Pali tank would get all those vengeance and then they would just
start putting like one Holy Power Eternal Flames like layering the whole raid with
it and then they would just top the healing meters.
Yeah, that was the we had our tank swap to paladin and that's the week we killed they shan
Yeah, it was like just night and day. It's
Your your tank would do stuff like spam slash sit to like get crit by the boss
Yeah, that way they can like max out their vengeance in like a couple of globals
Yeah, it is crazy that that stayed for like the whole expansion. Yeah
Yeah, now did I think that you just gotten fixed in beta or they would have come up with something else
Yeah, it was it was fun. I remember I used to watch like Genji's challenge mode the world record times and
Back in Zalea would tank and he did something in
Scarlet
Halls not halls with the other one called the scholar monastery where
Like if you remember the monk boss that like would do like the fist of fury that drop fire pools
Yeah, you could do it in a way
we drop all the fire pulls in like one same pixel and then he would hop into it
do you do Zen meditation to like take 90% dr for magic while
Jinji went and pulled like a bunch of mobs all around him and then like it convened with the boss and
Then say it would start spinning and he would just erase everything
It was actually nuts like all the crazy stuff you could do
to just abuse vengeance and challenge modes.
Yeah, you know it's funny you bring up challenge modes.
I think a Shine had a bunch of world records in CMs.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think that he's on the liquid roster now.
I think he had a bunch of the world records back in the day.
Have you been around that long?
Oh yeah.
Okay.
Bullsh.
Yeah.
Some of the newer raiders in the guild I just assume are like very,
I mean like Shaze and Tobo are very young.
I think Wall-Eye is also really young.
Oh yeah, that guy is young.
Yeah, I think it's like 19 or something like that.
Oh, okay.
We're getting...
I mean, we're past getting replaced.
Our replacements are getting replaced.
Yeah, yeah.
Who are our unks in the guild now?
Like, I mean, Max is an onk.
Max.
Lip is an onk, yeah.
Max, Lip.
Goop? Goop's been around.
Yeah, Goop's an onk.
Yeah.
I think we'll be on there.
I mean, I feel like Shaquib is so young at heart
that I've known him forever, too.
Yeah, I feel, well...
They're probably in their mid 20s.
Yeah.
I think Shaq might be in his mid 20s.
I don't know.
Dude, fired up is going to be an onk soon.
I think fired up is on his way to being onk.
Really?
Not like play-wise, but like age-wise.
He's younger than Shaqib, yeah?
I thought they were the same.
Or maybe, I don't know.
I guess I've just known Shaqib longer.
Yeah, I don't exactly remember.
But he's getting there, man.
He's been around for a while.
Scott, Impec.
Scott's an onk, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah
Maybe both
I like Sang
Sang's a monk, yep
I mean Sang's old enough to have been a foreman so like
He has to be a monk
The picture from the Rektiver?
Yeah
Who is the oldest?
The oldest like in the raid
I think it's probably lip or sky
I think it's like 32
Something like that
Alright
Maybe I'm making that up
be 30 max is I think max is two years younger than me so I think he's like 33
yeah okay it comes for us all yeah I've never met malarcus he doesn't come to
these yeah I think Marcus is enough to yeah a shine who's the oldest in the
raid yeah no clue no clue it's probably close to 40 there's no way someone is
close to 40 yeah that'd be so crazy pushing the grade so terrible yeah God
I've never been close to 40. What would happen if they also had a kid?
No way.
Disgusting.
Close to 40.
Now all those people got weeded out a long time ago.
Yeah.
They could regret Dose too.
Dose is younger than me I think.
Oh, OK.
So, look, he's close to 40 though.
He's trapped in Rune Bay.
Well, I'm midway there to being close.
Actually, technically, I'm closer to 40 than I'm not.
Like, I buy a couple months.
Oh yeah, by maybe something years, but...
Closer to 40 than 30, we'll say that.
Yeah, same.
The Echo roster's got some unks, too.
Like, in the raid itself?
That's it. I mean, Genji's been raiding world first forever.
I don't know what his age is now.
Genji's gotta be a monk.
I mean, okay, that guy's definitely a monk.
That guy's like, the guy's been raiding world first, it's like, bop, man.
Yeah, yeah, that ginger's gotta be an on I mean brought Roger brought also gotta be done
Even though he's not like even though he's doing it like the guild management stuff and scribes a dad actual
Yeah, he's an actual onk
Well, no, I actually like he has like a nephew and he's I don't know if he does probably what is the onk cut off 30
I feel like in this day and age like 30 or older 30 or has a child. Yeah 30 or older is onk status
What would like some belts of those the male belts purple we get a stick no
no we had some oh no we've seen so many male belts ugly who's in there some
hunters some evokers maybe some shamans somebody please take it
Maybe if you can get a bow to a staff, not good.
That may be the last, that's Nick.
Ah, I believe so.
Maybe we're going to see something new.
If Mr. Raider I.O. has been telling us the truth, this should be the sixth kill.
Oh, please go to Cizerak.
Oh, please.
I just feel like giving up info on that right now.
I mean, it would be giving up time.
They can maybe do an Emrisa because I think that would be easier.
Yeah, I think they'll probably do an Emrisa.
That's what my guess is.
And then they can bring the characters they want to it where scissorack they can only take like one of these
I don't think you're giving up information on scissorack specifically. I feel like that
But I feel like scissorack's just dying Wednesday or something. Look, anybody who wants to pull scissorack can pull scissorack
Like I don't think that is true. Yeah, that is true actually
Yeah, all the all the relevant guilds are like able to pull it. Yeah, like if you want to
All it takes is time. Yeah, it's what where's the time better spent scissorack or Nimmersa?
Cesar drops. Oh, T.H.G. is in another raid.
Well, he just... He's spawned in the raid. Oh, he's spawned in the raid. Yeah, that's right.
With impact. But he dropped a solo.
He's going to drop another solo.
That would be so much more exciting.
Oh, maybe he's just getting traded though. Oh, he's getting traded.
Oh, collectives are down. Oh, the stick, there's a stick. Yeah.
Which T.H.D. is this? That's the main. That's the OG.
OG, T.H.D.
Oh, T.H.D. block.
No letter. Yeah, T.H.D.
OG is the main this year. We were talking about this earlier. He either gets OG or THDlock A, and I think last year is THDlock J, but otherwise, he's been pretty blessed on his main guy.
He's taking the key.
The original.
Yeah, he played the OG in Narrabar and Manaforge.
Ooh.
And so, yeah, he has a high chance of just playing the OG for some reason.
That character did the gate.
did the gate that's pretty crazy the og got the sick though yeah that character is
the character that did the gate all right open up your character screen that's the
what he got all right you see this day thinking about equipping it he's got a
socket I don't know I miss what it was he got traded bracer's as well I think
but he's he's wearing blue he's wearing the PvP bracer's right yeah PvP
bracer in bell yeah or the embellion waiting for Bubba or one of the
analyst to give the go ahead on actually ripping the equip I mean dude there's
nothing stopping him from a quick no there's nothing literally stopping him
but just thinking yeah a lot of lot of considerations a lot of considerations
like a water is gonna put it on addition to not equipping things because you
don't want to accidentally make a mistake yeah man mr. money bags here with
all this gold he's got what is that 2.9 I can't tell it's really small
a lot more than me. I only have 1.7 mil gold. After starting last season with 3 mil, I spent
a lot on alts. A lot on alts. Not just that. I actually haven't spent that much on alts
because I emptied out all my moral for it. Alright, well, according to chat, it sounds
like they might be going to fight numerous wavecaller, but for us as the casters, we're
going to be throwing an over to a monster energy listen in, and you guys are going
to get new casters right after this break.
I
I don't know if I'm going to fall or not, I don't think so.
I wasn't thinking about it, just into the run-mind I think.
I made it into the template because I didn't want to assign people my name,
if it's gonna be impossible with the split-steal signal second.
I need the short dispersion as well for this design.
Yep, you know what's not cozy?
Your health bar on this boss.
No.
That's a good job there, actually.
It is powerful, much like the AMD processors
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But I believe they're pulling Mithic Nymrissa,
now the Lair boss.
new cool feature where they have one boss raids that are harder than the rest of the
raids. I think that's what layer means.
You know it wasn't supposed to be this way. They said you know their design purpose was
making an accessible, flex scaling, rating experience for people who want mythic gear
but isn't going to be too difficult, right? And we find ourselves now having numerous
of being the fifth boss that they're opting in two out of nine that are available.
And this one was at a state that was completely undoable earlier in the week.
You'd get one minute and straight up get one shot.
And they've nerfed the raid damage on it by 40% and it's still terrible.
Look at the raid damage here.
I mean this is the minute, the 49 second Abyssal Rain too.
So the way this fight works is I mean like there's that frontal you see right there
in the tank that can be placed like towards those ice pools that basically pushes
them off the platform if you want.
There's an Abyssal Rain cast to boss does raid to wide damage and it ramps 5%
every cast.
You know 5% harder every single cast isn't clear. Yeah, you can see the boss. Yeah, exactly and around 120
Which is coming up in about 8 seconds here
It's gonna be a missile rain to or sorry three and we'll see the rain one again get chunked for a very large portion of health right about
Now here comes raincast
Now and there there go some of the rain. Oh, yeah
Little soft and then it
And the cool thing about that is the orb spawning back to the room also need to be popped, which
as you can see where it's sort of like a turtle muting doesn't look like right there.
Those do raid wide damage when they're popped also.
Is that the mythic change that they do raid wide damage?
Yeah, there's that.
There's the beam and there's a new murloc that basically makes surrounding murlocs immune.
Ah, yeah.
So the fight is asking a lot of you on mythic compared to heroic.
Mainly it's the raid damage, that's the difficult component to this.
one of the frost orbs left on the ground does a raid hit for every single orb that you pop.
But notably, being the person who pops the orb also hurts insanely bad. It seems like if you
don't immune soak a bunch of them in sequence, if you were to just walk into them, you'd explode,
like even at normal pace trying to pop them. I mean, even on a rope, I did a pug and I was
just like, I dropped my orbs and I was like, oh, ice cold and run through these and it
It leaves a dot on you and it was like chunking for like 70% of my health every tick. It's kind of unfair
But yeah, it also just happens to be at a horrible time
I'm I think these murloc ads like on heroic, you know
You have a good bit of time to get them down, but with the added mythic ad which is making the surrounding murlocs
You need to focus and kill that one quick and then knock them back before they reach the middle
You don't want any more locks reaching the middle. Do you know if that happens to a steroid bubble?
Yeah, get real big and mad. Yeah, so you need to prevent them from getting it
But you need to kill the big murloc beforehand
But you need to also leave the group to go kill the big murloc in time
But if you leave the group and then leave the healing range of the healers you explode
So it's just like a big mess also just like leaving damage off the boss because in my heroic
That boss is pretty healthy and it was kind of hard to beat the enrage
Way to do some unfortunate pruning of some people who were decrying that it was no
It was because I was switching the ads and then they'd be removed from group
Yeah, the good news is at least when the boss is low
You can kind of forego the more locks a good bit like the more likes going into the bubble is not an immediate wipe
If it's super super low
So that could be something they opt into but they're probably gonna have to spend a good amount of time kind of
Learning what the living pattern looks like on this boss. That's the big point of progression for them on it
Yeah, he mentioned yesterday. He thought it was killable. I mean obviously yeah
There's a good bit to be seen so right but once you see the phase of the fight
It's pretty much rinsing repeat except for that episode rain stacking 5% harder every single time
The cadence might change a bit on mechanics later on
We don't really know a whole lot
But the only thing you really didn't see there is there's this large like wall that spawns around the platform
You're in you're right about where they wiped or when they wiped there
You have to find like a safe spot and run to that where the boss is gonna basically
Summon the rest of the wall in the middle of the book the room try and kill the raid and knock you back through
that hole in the wall. But besides that, that's pretty much the entire fight. It's just a cadence
is faster. Things hit much harder. And I mean, you got to kill it sometime. The boss is 64%
right there, I believe 64.65 was their attempt right there at 306.3 i level.
Yeah, they have two hours left in raid night. And they've probably done all the mythic
plus they can do. They have done six, four of eight mythics raid splits. And so the only
thing they can do at the time is take one of those splits and go pull scissorack, which
they would just make. I don't think they're killing it in a couple hours or they can
kind of consolidate some of these characters together because I doubt they're doing
six numerouses because that would take way too much time. But they're able to, I
I mean they can even flex and take more than 20 people which they maybe do have more than 20 people in right now
I think fired up cameras kind of covering another row
Yeah, I'm not really sure these these flex trades kind of scale weird with yeah with players
It's really risky you think of Rob Meyers an example, right?
That one was even more tuned to be very very very doable
But once you start adding in a certain amount of players that's get kind of beachy
And that boss in particular people are kind of over healing it, you know
sometimes they didn't have the damage check to kill all the mushrooms every
single time so they were popping exploding and healing through it and the
second you start adding in a couple more healers supplement that you start
getting this weird spot where you're like oh he's after like kind of tight to
kill people after you have to like hold cooldowns for it kind of a thing so they
might just opt into doing like an even 20 on this boss but notably something
weird that they're doing they're treating this one oh they're treating
in granny he doesn't have 25 people there we got a good a better UI oh
Yeah, so they're 25 manning it and they are three tanking it the third tank
Probably being exclusively for ad control, you know, just a DK. Oh, okay, just running around gripping
He's probably finding the packs that don't have the big mark more luck in it and just slowing all of them as much as possible
And then grouping them together on to the big more luck. So they have more efficient cleave
So it is a good strategy to opt into on this fight. It is a very ad control heavy fight
We've been having a couple players Vantus this one, which I find hilarious
Yeah, yeah, I guess if you have this this is the last boss that they're gonna do in this reset, right?
They have two hours left in the raid. They're just basically trying to sneak out some bonus loot
Cizerak doesn't seem doable within a split so why even try pulling it?
You know if you can get a couple trinkets on people or like jewelry on people or maybe some mythic off pieces on people off
This boss is sure. Yeah, I made the like terrible decision last night of getting excited about the what the race may hold
in this current week, because I was watching them do a little bit of Vashnik and Cizerak
off-stream, and I thought, you know what's kind of cool about this mythic split, kind
of week one thing, is we're seeing these bosses with them not at full power, so it's making
some of these early bosses, like sentinels, kind of actually real and hard, and you
go, oh, this is what the spy would look like if it was actually pretty hard,
if they came in in a normal environment they'd be so powered up they would just one shot it
but then Vashnik got kind of cheesed and scissorax not getting pulled till next week where it probably
will get exploded unless Blizzard decides to buff it which i maybe think they should
i would be surprised if they do a bit honestly do you have any thoughts on that let's see have you
done it in the past in those scenarios like if they came in and buffed scissorax i mean i guess
this is a scenario we haven't seen before really i think if they buff scissorac on the reset that
that would be ludicrous.
But don't you not think he's gonna get
like absolutely destroyed next week?
It's hard to really tell, right?
You know, you haven't really seen
the guild put in enough time to gauge
of what is difficult on the fight
or how reasonable it looks.
We have no idea whether or not it's a survivable fight.
You know, like, you're looking at Nimra,
so you're looking at the health value that's on her,
and you're like, man, that doesn't seem
really all that bad.
And then you pull it for one minute
and you're like, okay, we're dying.
So, Senator Zlark might have a similar sort of living element to it that makes it difficult, but...
Yeah, I hope so because I want that fight to come down to the wire.
Yeah.
I'm worried they're going to beat the DPS check by like 30 seconds with not a lot of optimization just because they're so decked out, but...
The unfortunate part about me being retired is that I no longer have access to the boss channels, so I have no idea what they've been paying to mine, you know?
Like, usually when you're in the guild, you're able to see all of the changes and hotfixes they're making to the bosses.
As you're working your way through the raid and I think it's just a general kind of thing that I know that they talked about earlier is
There was a few bosses that specifically got damage buffs to their abilities, but it got health nerfs
So obviously the tuning as a whole was kind of off in terms of how much damage they think people are doing
But they're also trying to make sure that there's still a challenge posed by you know a living element to it
So Cizerak definitely could be one of those cases
Okay. Yeah, I've heard Dratnost say some of the napkin math on the DPS check requirement,
and I'm too dumb to understand, but someone maybe is ironic replied with, oh that's not
bad. So I'm just taking these two caster talking points as gospel and assume that the
check next week will be pretty easy. Oh, the Ring of Frost.
Yeah, there's a lot of interesting dynamics at play at this boss with what kind of CC
can use to stall. On heroic and normal, these adds don't really have much health, so you
kind of just pull the boss over and mow them down one by one. But on mythic, the health
of the adds and also the mythic add itself poses a real challenge. So you're seeing these
guys separate the Merlux one by one from each other like this. They're pulling in the
big add away from the small adds so they can start hitting the small adds and cleave
the big add. And then you're going to have a couple classes kind of put down CC that
Stalls look at the ratings being used here as well as the missile rain at least like there's a link AMZ. Oh, yeah, the bubble
Orbs there, too. Yeah, they're they're stacking, you know this these raid cooldowns in and basically just plowing through as many orbs
I want to see what happens when they run out of immunities to sell these orbs
I think that's a very but that also might be the express purpose of why the third tank is also there the third tank
True like the orb popper, you know, it says well
We got bad news though Merlux I've entered the bubble
Oh, the box that made it to the water. Yeah, they're mad. They're gonna pulse crazy. Yep
boom oh
My goodness see but this
This is fun in a way
Yeah, silly but it is cool to see them try and figure out the boss that you expected to just be a one-shot
And it's like oh, it's got like tuned up crazy mechanics
We're kind of clever stuff out three tanking
You know using the immunities to pop things and assignments and like really tight movement to meet the damage check
Like that stuff is always the best part of Racer World 1st and it's something that the splits kind of trivializes the first, you know, 60, sometimes 70% of an instance, sometimes everything up to the last boss just gets kind of mowed over, which is always disappointing because I kind of see like every boss taken to the extreme.
Yeah, it's also good to have different bosses that require different things of you to solve, right?
Like this having a unique CC element to it is cool because you don't get those kinds of bosses very frequently
And it's very different from the rest of the bosses that are in the middle of a space
Yes
Unfortunately, it's like not part of the leaderboard
Yeah, it's not part of like any of the graphics. I mean it would be a world first
It would I I don't know how you guys feel about this
I consider this part of what is needed to get world first this tier, you know, yeah, I'm bosses. Yeah
Yeah, this is you have to kill all nine. Yeah
I mean if I'm sure next week
Well next week is very soon tomorrow. Is it gonna get just bodied? It's got to know what like know
I feel that the whole week and it's supposed to be that kind of introductory. Well, here's the thing
I think I don't want to speak too soon. I think this boss dies within the next 10 pulls. Okay. Yeah
I think they can kill it. It's just it's in a silly spot. Yeah, it's a very very
Replicable strategy that they have the option right there's two points that they need to learn one
How do you handle the murloc adds in a way that makes you not feel pressed for time with them reaching the bubble and to how do you live?
The living part is harder than the murloc part
I feel like they're really locking in on strategy here
Which is death grip in the mythic ad on top of the boss cleave that first and then immediately you can start working on the castra
Or the normal adds of the back with your castra. Oh, look at the aura around there. What they're best
Yeah, you see or yeah, so as long as nothing is within that you're fine, right?
So you getting the cleave here they stall the murloc out. They just need to separate them
that's really the big part. And then beyond that, it's stalling the Merlux from the other side from getting in.
You're seeing the ring of Frost go down, you're seeing Ursel's go out, you're seeing Johnny look for the ring of pieces on his muck.
You're looking for like these stall utility-based spells until everybody can swoop over to the other side and finish those ads.
And the second those ads are finished, then you just repeat it, you know what I mean?
You go through this cycle every single time of ads, pops and mobs, ads, pops and mobs, stall, ads, pops and mobs, and then you keep going over and over.
Interesting, all right, well...
Does this tank beam need to do anything or just be away from the rail?
So it does push the ice off the platform if you choose to aim it at it,
but the problem is, it happens at really funny times where you don't want to move it around or swing it around.
So I think they're going to just aim it at the ice patches whenever they view it to be convenient for them to do so,
but outside of that, not making a big deal of making sure to clear all of the ice every time.
When she brings in the waves from the outside, it does clear the ice patches.
The only thing that's really, really bad about leading too much ice on the floor is the murlocs running through the ice go super fast.
Oh, really? I didn't know that.
Yeah, they don't, well they do like the ice. It makes them hard to CC, it makes them hard to slow, and they start skirting in through the middle.
So if you make like a big line to the middle with the ice, and then have like murlocs just plow through that line, you're gonna wipe.
Alright, that's sort of losing driny there. That was a perfect first like cycle of the anime.
Yeah, very perfect first phase. At this point, the fight's repeating itself, right?
You have more I have to deal with, but you're going to have those orbs wanting in a ramping of missile rains, but yeah
Just keeps using the ads that way and this is basically a whole entire fight
Yeah, they're gonna get to the scary part where you know right now they're front-loading raid cooldowns and doing watch this
What later to right? Yeah, so you know they they stack up. They toss names e down
They toss spirit link down what have you and then look at that to clear these orbs
They're gonna run out of those things at some point with the with the stacking game. So yeah
You can see the old Merlach on the ice there. He's just having a great time. He's sprinting in
They're just gonna have to learn like the cadence of maybe slowing down on these or pops
You know letting the throughput of their healers kind of top people off and then going and I think it's genius
Why they have the third tank and to help them do that you can't realistically do that on like a DPS back
You can't soak those orbs like that. Yeah, the rain damaged in the fourth missile rain
It hits so hard to at the entire age getting chunked down
We're gonna have a bit of a preview to that next missile rain comes in about 15 seconds here
That'll be a missile rain five
We haven't seen past three until now so that fourth miss arrange new territory using that jet to push back the ice here a bit now as well
The boss is at 54% here actually this is a substantial gain from last pull though
Yeah, yeah, it's like I said very very replicable strategy here as long as they don't rush then they're totally fine
You know the ray damage is damn it
Terrifying right there after they go in with turtle. He's going a little too quick, but yeah
They just need to find the balance of how to do this properly
It is kind of funny though seeing how much ice is actually down on the ground is going to be a problem later for them
Yeah, he was standing right in that ice of the beam and it barely made a dent
I saw one puddle kind of like shrink the first time we did the second time. I didn't see any of a change
I don't know if it's because it's so stacked got more locks in the bubble. Yeah, a lot of more locks in the bubble
Here they come
I mean 49% though 48 yeah 20% reduction in health in the last pull damage on the boss seems on target
I it's a pretty long fight like tullian rage. It's like nine minutes. I is it it's
Okay, but it was also very tight on me. I don't think I don't know but I'm not my hero
I'm gonna think it was yeah it on the heroic it seemed like it was for like cycles
Honestly, realistically speaking though. I don't even think the berserk is really the berserk. They need to worry about it
Yeah, you know healing berserk you're hitting ninth of this will rain
But you know, she might not be berserk, but she might as well be
So we'll see. I think they're kind of cluing in on exactly what they need to do movement-wise.
They just need to learn the cadence of how to pop these orbs without exploding.
And you know, right now they're opting into the immune soaks for sure.
It's a good strategy. It's a good thing to do.
They just need to learn to do like half the orbs instead of just running through all of them at the same time.
Yeah, that splashing rate damage does add up to a considerable amount of damage when you have a missile rain taking for,
oh casual, 25% more every single time.
It would be crazy to watch them pull this consistently for multiple pulls in a row in the pre-nerf version. It would be so funny.
It was 40%
Damage. I'm wondering if they're gonna nerf this boss tomorrow actually. I feel like they have to.
I just don't understand how this boss is in this state.
The rest of the raid being tough. It's like okay, they want to make her oaks tougher or like need more gear. That's fine.
But this one is so strange.
It's strange for what they said they wanted to be that's for what they said
They wanted and for what rewards you drops. Yeah one out of six, right?
Yeah, she dropped four out of six Lou then yeah, you go okay four pushing it even you know
But like two out of six three out of six you be like, okay
Yeah, sure that's fine challenges totally good the gear that she drops is respectable for that
But one out of six feels like you know, that's not even worth like why even if it was so hard, right?
In the previous version before I got nerfed why even pull it if it's dropping that bad of Lou
I don't know if it would have been important if they didn't.
I guess it depends, right? What else are you doing at a certain point?
Yeah, for right now, I think if they had killed their 6th Vashnik, maybe at like 1130,
they'd maybe come in here and just like, you know, try it a little bit, or just call the raid, like...
This seems like we are out of anything to do, and this is some free loot.
Well, I guess not free, because it's proving to be kind of hard.
Gotta work for it, but they got two hours.
Yeah, they got, well, now they have an hour 45 minutes.
Rockish.
They're clocked.
Yes.
Good thing to note too, THD is not in the comp,
so you can almost assuredly think that they are planning
splits of this.
How many is to be seen?
But if they're going for one kill,
they would definitely have everybody in.
Yeah.
Don't.
So there's some level of split in here for sure.
There's 25 players in the raid now, right?
Is there a way he can trap that out based on splits or no?
No, I think they, well I'm surprised THD's, well, maybe it's because he knows
which is his main.
Maybe he doesn't have like
a second most powerful warlock and they think that it would just add scaling and actually
hurt the group.
Or, you know, it's his main warlock and they're trying to separate main warlocks from one another and prioritize it and get onto them.
Yeah, he sounds pretty good.
Yeah, I think it was back for some too, but he sounds a little better. I'm just mean why doesn't thd have like a second
Yeah, I don't character in here. Oh, yeah, I'm not sure no idea maybe Vantus ruins
Oh, that's a good idea in here. Actually, that could be a thing possibly
Or maybe t hd needs mythic boss on his main characters
There are many reasons there. There is a reason though. Yeah, I don't know what it is
Faith and 30 man scaling is probably pretty low
So let's just stay away from that number just in case it can't have been a statement ago
And why it brings a thing there brings a question. Why is his boss like this?
I thought to myself that could be said about any boss this raid so far
But what's your work to the only one that's like tracking to be exactly how they should is miss callie. Yeah, the first boss
Yeah, yeah, that one seems like you know what that seems right
We foreshot her okay, that girl your camp is there
I was sitting next to you there. I wasn't in the red. He wouldn't invite me
On all sides of me, I'm not getting invited to the techs. They're falling all around me
I know you wouldn't want my major is not that gear. So I'd probably be what's that above on your mage
298 I think 298 yeah, okay. I'm gonna see what I can do. Okay. I'm gonna say I do want gear
Okay, okay. Well, there's limits to what I can
That's the point. When it's not overtime, you know, the loot is out of my control.
Get your coin and then go with him to get some loot.
That is a good idea.
There you go.
Because you have to steal a little carry-up from me.
I can promise you a coin and I can promise you a vault option beyond that.
Yeah, see, that's the, do I want to risk it in the streets like this week,
and end up with only one heroic boss kill.
The streets are a bad place to be though.
Maybe get to roll on some loot or go to somebody's split, guaranteed get no loot, but at least
my box is good.
And I chose, well, I did get pants off the next Ollie, so that's not terrible.
That's a gross pants, okay.
Yeah, but they can be catalyzed.
I'm just trying to collect the pieces, you know?
That's fair.
You're a collector.
That's fair.
I just, oh, they admit it to the bubble.
A little bit of ice in the open area, but that's alright.
I'm prepping.
I'm slower, I think.
I'm just ramping like, you know, I'm kind of collecting the stuff. I haven't crashed yet.
It's just like this ray damage is ramping, oh my gosh.
Yeah, they got a couple merlocks in the bub.
I'm going to open my box and then I'm going to rip a craft if there's not a staff in there.
You know what they say, yeah.
That's my say on this boss, right?
The, the...
Tridal true statement since the beginning of time, since they made this one.
Merlocks in the bubble, you've got trouble.
Trident's true.
Did you grab it there?
Yeah.
I hope somebody got it.
Have you crafted it Atlas or are you crafting out?
No, I'm holding out.
I haven't sent anything.
I'm waiting until after heroic this week to see what happens and what happens with my
coin.
But I'm in tank jail, so.
Oh, lovely.
Second-loss Bloss, cold ult.
Okay.
Yeah.
It's got the axe and the trinket, so I think I'm just sending that one until
I get everything I want off that bad boy and I get lost in the sauce. What do you coin off of the heroic boss a myth one
Miss one upgrade it's one out of six. Yeah, so you get a miss trinket. You get a myth axe
It's not nine out of six which are dropped off of myth track itself. Yeah killed it on mythic, but
We're not getting to that anytime soon. So, you know, we're looking at week three week four
Proc more passion rage you might before yeah, no more
slippery slope
Slippery slope, and I'm not going down it multiple times
I'm always down for a pop-up and not when it's like, you know real stuff
So we raid we want to yeah just change that good description now. It's our
Yeah, but basically we're only gonna really get to well a technical altar
At a time where I would have coined all the pieces of gear off of her a cold altar
And then I'm playing a tank so I'm not prioritized for anything that would drop anyways off of the boss
So me getting those items from my coin off of heroic would last me all the way through progression
I'm just gonna opt into that and then eventually coin it on the big later. Did you craft any of the camps?
No, I'm gonna open my box and then rip it if I don't get it staff
Well, if you wait for the box might as well try and kill heroic
But we're gonna coin and coin that then make a decision right?
And you should I coin if you can get to an oolotek on Tuesday as a caster
I think you just point that probably because it has cantripel, good neck and like the dagger
Yeah, we'll attack on Tuesday. That's gonna be pretty hard. I mean you can get whatever if you want, but long you know
Yeah, the the ship to craft the bad part too is you kind of get forced into the situation
We kind of want to go for the long cons since all the early bosses drop weapons to you like oh dude
I missed on my coin. Okay, but like yeah
Second mythic boss. It's like right there. Do I hold that on that? Oh, I didn't hit it this week
But like oh, I don't want to craft like what if I just get it next week
And I have another coin and I have another chance to do Andrew off the boss
You know you get into this little game of chicken. It's like these yeah, I'm yeah
I've heard Tritonus bring this up, like there's a level of guild that's like, just start ripping your upgrades.
Stop trying to play the way these harass boxes are really hard.
That's what my guild said tonight. Like, Send Heroic Crest, which I did on, like, pieces of tier, and craft.
But, like, I've already had, like, Warlocks and Majors are in a weird spot, because you, if you do Coint-Ulatek,
you're the only class in the game that had that Trinket on the table, you can't get off.
I can't expect, like, preservation if you're a invoker, right? It has that bad Trinket on there.
If you're Dev, you can say, ah, my loot's preservation. You can't roll the bad Trinket.
You can roll a neck, helmet, or dagger.
More like a mage can't.
So they're all like, craft for the raid tonight.
And I didn't craft for the raid tonight.
I wanted to, I feel like I should have.
I'm pissed off, I didn't.
But at the same time, like, I waited this far.
I might as well wait for tomorrow
to try and get Janthex up in the vault.
And if not, then we coin it after we kill Ute again
on Tuesday, and then I craft.
Yeah, I just want to get the weapon.
I mean, it's hard to get into groups.
My eye level's low, yeah.
Well, you should play one character camps.
I do play one character.
You said you were done with your mage.
I was teasing you, I did get a 10 down on my beam and under my shaman, but I, there's
no winning.
There's no winning for anyone.
I'm still mad at you taking my Tricky cams.
You got one.
Yeah, I got one.
And you grew because of it.
You know what?
My anger grew.
It's fine.
And you learned something by feeling that anger.
So I mean taking, okay if you're in a spot, I won't go too far on the rabbit hole of like
crafting and coining items and stuff, like if the vast majority of your guild is Coining
Ultec, or everyone is and like the cloth helm neck, I guess cloth helm more so, or like
Jantra's at that drop in Coining Ultec is not being taken by anyone?
Because that one's coining, like there's a world where you like third dimension or
like 3D thinking just don't even Coining Ultec because there's free loot nobody wants.
pointing it you get a properee but like I mean I think for most people you just
point it you're other pointing the little tech or explorers it's a warlock I
think for the most part that's just it I just realized something really funny
about this boss when the Murlocs make it to the bubble they're just spinning
around in there like a fish going there you know like one of those little
sphere things that the people get in with their little motorbikes and they
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're just doing that in the bubble.
They're powering up.
I only know that now.
These are the weakest sharks ever. They're even doing it together, it's like.
They're watching. They're gonna kill you. Someone's just taking it.
Let me tell you, when you pull the boss though and you go into the water, those sharks are very real.
Oh, they turn around. Oh, they one-shot you. Yeah. They become Australian.
The update? They're getting sloppy now, Cam. They're getting sloppy now.
Yep, they're getting sloppy now.
Oh, a little bit. It is late. It is actually crazy, though.
It's not an overtune until boss. Yeah, exactly. You're getting sloppy, right?
The convenience of having multiple monks on this fight can't be understated.
Rengar peace is crazy on this fight for stopping far sets of nerlocks.
Like it almost feels like you feel bad for not having a couple more
There's not really many abilities like that anymore that like stall on a low ish
Cool down like green pieces. What 45? I think it's I thought it was 30. I think it is 45 prop
It's been a lot to play my monk actually
It's sure I know that much. Yeah, what is rare frost?
Is that a minute? I think it's a minute. Yeah, you got hunters
You could opt into taking binding, but that one also has a little bit of a cool down
I thought my tar trap is even a thing anymore. I don't I don't think they have
I don't think so okay they not I don't think so I don't think so I think they
kind of took that one away from them it was a trap flip but also I could be wrong
if they still do have it any hunter play I've ever played has not pressed it
ever but that's my assumption is that they took it away but yeah but they
don't really have many abilities within this comp actually stall super
far you know it's like a couple of her souls like they got a ring of peace they
got a ring of frost but really what is that doing when you got baldy baldy over
here dot and everything up not much you know what a what a shadow priest fight
though you know the shabby some boomkins are eating good on this one it's a
permanent twist of fate value at the same time it's a billion dots rolling
yeah it's pretty solid apparently the debit brokers to yeah well quite a bit
the good news is you know you go into these giant clumps that stack right
top of the boss and you get the evoker getting intervals of empowered abilities on every single
spawn basically. They're just cycling these massive secrets in every single time. It feels
good. Yeah. It is pretty cool. It is pretty cool to see. And then the other kind of sneaker
spec poking up on the meter is the marksman hunter. Yeah. And the splits they were
doing pretty good. It's been a sleeper spec all patch I feel like you know we were
talking about this early on the cast but they got heavily heavily nerfed in the
ETR with a 14%er and then they're showing up and still doing this. It's kind of crazy
They're they're monsters on to target yet again
This is looking like a perfect run through the first set of the mechanics. Yeah, let me say everybody gets into place
They are
70% no more locks in the bug. You won't see yep
At this point you're just back in the same part of phase one you weren't the star
But that abyss of rain damages ramping so many we had three which three rains per basically phase looks like right cycles
So that last missile rain will be what's stacked well. That's
60% increased damage. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it's not great, but it's definitely manageable. They hopefully they have like the spare link
No immunity is because they're using both bubbles career
I mean, I'm sure they have plenty of things plant there on the fight
But yeah, I mean that I probably be around it probably around that seven minute mark roughly give or take if that every age is six
Oh
They lost two people three people. Yeah being down a healer is not great. Yeah, how many people?
Oh, they just kind of you know, they got to be patient with these bubble pops. Yeah
A lot of these healers, you know take a one second for their throughput to really kind of kick in
You can't just do a nuke on the road like that and just explode
It's tough as well because you're in the ice sliding your problem, right? Yeah, it's like, okay
Yeah, having the control to do so is a bit of a ask
I don't want to see them more like in the circles, that's what I really want to see, that's what I set up for.
Oh, you want to see them in the circle?
Yeah, they're in the second here.
Once the background of Warpath comes in.
Those things are creeping up. I want to see them spin.
I haven't messed with Shadow Priest in a while.
I've heard they're really fun, this patch. People were hiding up a lot on PTR.
I didn't get a chance to play mine, but I definitely want to do this patch.
We have one within our guild, he was doing crazy damage on Nule Tech.
Like up there with some of the top damage on the heart plus boss combined.
It's doing crazy burst, it's pretty good.
Interesting.
No more locks on the bub again. They've cleared two of them.
Yeah, so, Steyr threw that second phase one with the boss picking up 55%.
A bit higher than we had last time, but we have three DPS admin healers at this point.
But yeah, I mean they're getting more consistent at dealing with the mechanics at least right they still hurt the crazy map
But this is like a third phase one we haven't seen at all this point. So
cryptic's opting into a lot of ad control. You can see him just running off into the distance there
He's probably playing double chains talent. He's probably just spamming chains on these farm our locks over and over again
Yeah, then you see him alley-ooping these mythic ads on top of the boss with the hips
So yeah, there's one in the back of KPC. See it looks like this load them a bit that your for that pull
Yeah, you can see you can see cryptics off on the side. You know, he's he's not really active
He's putting chains on every single mom
And he's just spamming chains with every room that he has and that's his job on this fight
Historically, that was my job, you know
Fight oh
Good yeah, the big question here is that a pistol rain damage coming in 18 seconds
This is gonna be a seven stack for a 35% damage increase on an already super capability
We'll take Euler dead as well, and on top of that, right now, I'm not liking how much ice is currently down.
There's a lot of math for these Murlocs to kind of sneak through.
Hey, we're early open, some from downtown, clearing a little patch there, but yeah, unfortunately, that was Murlocs in the back.
I don't know if there's a scene or not. I can't really tell at this point.
Here comes that raincast though. Watch the ray damage here.
Here comes the orbs.
One, two, yeah, orbs flying as well. One, two, big link at AMG Committed here as well, though.
They make it through there. The pops are coming now, though.
Yeah, look at the pops in the back. We've two left.
And they're alive. They're good.
God bless the spirit link.
Yeah, I mean, all right, link, big W, okay.
This is a big, big link, I feel like.
Most of these fights, these links are saving people left and right.
They're getting through, but the boss's health is just not moving.
Yeah, yeah, they're emphasizing a lot of ad control.
I think they only got, what, 15% of the boss?
What is the boss?
That's an early wave set there, though.
There's a bit of two rains there.
Yeah, it feels like it's coming quicker.
It is.
So those collapsing whirlpools, there are only two range of females, I'm pretty sure at that point.
Interesting.
It could be funny if it's already with like three, then two, then one.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised.
Then, yeah, she's just going a little bit nuts.
Yeah, so the six minute timestamp you can see on the sign, the average range over there.
So, if it is a seven minute rage, then we'll find out if we can live out a minute or so here.
The tank frontal also, the mythic change, that water jet.
Oh, well, here comes the water pops, let's see if they look first.
It comes the range as well.
They got a nice barrier down.
I mean super super big we're sturdy here. We lost one player pop a couple more
Okay, maybe that is 30 is the word she used but I mean yeah that the building still has nails in it, but it's it's rickety I
Mean if we can make it a bit longer here
I'm curious to see if the whirlpool pools do spawn in interesting note though
The what I was saying was the water jet from the tank frontal the one that's supposed to clear the ice patches
Does not seem to actually clear the ice patches until you hit the center of the pool
Like Scott there aimed it through like 12 different ice patches on the floor, but it wasn't centered on any of them
And it only cleared one of them
But that's gotta be something they got to look out for as they're, you know, aiming that thing
They might have to wait a little bit to make sure they get good clears right now
Their eye group looks completely covered nice and they have no way to clear these orbs really there
They're staring at those orbs being like I don't want to do it. You do it, you know, yeah
It's not looking great in the safety
Everybody that can't keep the Murlocs out of the bubble. I don't think it's gonna be enough for the following time.
That's absolutely best here.
Those orbs are also about to pop, dang.
Yeah, so look, here's that next wave set coming in though.
The question is, is he in rage after... Oh, yeah, look at that!
They're spinning there, yup.
That's awesome.
Here's 730 mark. Is she in raging?
She's got full energy almost.
I can't... Yeah, I mean...
I think that's in right or well, you know 10 seconds from an rage hmm
I look you okay. What was that 28% I think roughly I?
Can check on greater IO here honestly that this fight
It's doable. It's doable. It's scary, but it's doable right
No, I mean just being down, you know a few DPS for all that time
Yeah, they had to spend so much time killing the Murlocs. There was a lot of like panic killing things just to get there. Yeah
Or ideally most of the damage is done with the boss nearby and everybody live that long. It's a thing. Yeah
Yeah, they must have maybe just kind of change when they're doing the pops
Because they felt a lot safer during the rains
I mean I said they felt sturdy during the rain support who will die
But I mean I feel like they did feel pretty sturdy during the rain to give it
Yeah, they popped half the orbs when you're saying they're feeling sturdy
They popped other half they hurt me. Yeah, the building came down. That's why Max is over there and I'm over here, so I
Think those are on 28% or so on the boss there, which their previous past was 49
So that they're taking like good chunks off the boss health. It was living longer
I do feel like that last little bit if they can get it down fight with about an hour or so remaining in rain
I'd be able to challenge but
Maybe yeah, the benefit that they have is this first group is figuring out things that'll make the second group a lot easier
So, you know how to CC is one to one most of these people are gonna be playing
The same characters like they won't be swapping classes too much
as their potential mails on a lot of these people who are you know warrior players mage players
Etc. The H players so they're gonna be filling the same role just playing a separate character, right?
So all the learning they're doing this week, they won't really have to do as much of it again in the second week.
Is it saying the item level of the raid over there? I see a braider IO up.
306.3306.
Yeah, that's pretty low.
32.04 is that last pull there. It's a bit higher than 28, but I mean this is definitely a split.
I think my main ring is like 311 tonight.
So I'm pretty sure when they come together on Tuesday, tomorrow after the Heroics splits,
What do we expect to see at 313 if or so?
Probably?
Somewhere around there, I would assume.
Most of their mains, like before they really sent anything
coming out of the roads, what's for like 309, 310.
Like the ones I got lucky.
So about heroic base,
item level drops coming out.
You know, let's say, sorry, pushing percussion,
getting to the bosses.
We're gonna have all the hero cross basically saved up
and ready to go.
And we're assuming a lot of these guys got
a decent amount of gear from these splits,
like a couple pieces at a bare minimum to save them from her requests so once I get into position where they can fully send up her request that I don't know who's going to jump up a lot.
I did find out, or I guess I heard it through a discussion earlier, there is a debate about something like hero gear
throwing a character in the toilet for upgrades a week earlier that's somewhere else?
It was a thing last year, so...
Yeah, it doesn't work just here anymore does it?
No, that's not a thing anymore.
They don't have to contend with that, which, thank God, it makes for a really, really annoying
little mini-game.
So they're just doing their normal standard gearing process, and, you know, they do
manage to save some hero crests, fantastic, but they're not going to sweat about, like,
you know, downgrading myth crests on one of these characters.
They sent through two resplits to hit that sheep in the room.
But you can still downgrade myth crests, right, I think, but they come towards
the cap, though, from what I understand.
Yeah.
and countless caps, you can just take the character
and basically say, you're awash for this season,
you've done all your crests in,
but discounting my main character is upright, right?
So, big W, I'd say there.
Really funny interaction there.
If she knocks you back through the ice,
you kind of go flying a little bit.
Well, yeah, that's a fun one.
This boss has a lot of meme potential, you know?
A lot of highlight reels and hilarious moments
that could happen.
Only for maybe this week,
because at some point I feel like this boss
going to get I think tomorrow I think it would be odd if this possible
they just made her a lid six of six
yeah but there are some bosses in the past that have been nerfed like on a
reset that would which didn't have nerfs announced before the reset itself hit
right I would be surprised this is not one of the bosses as well we just
log in tomorrow and suddenly the abyssal rain does 30% less damage and
Orbs hit for half the damage they were hitting for me pop them. Yeah, it it's just
Usually when they have a boss that has a really really high coordination check
They don't really make the numbers check also time
Not you know one of the two things they put them personal on different things unless it's like a really deep boss
Into the right, but you know, this is the layer boss like it shouldn't be make sure but you shouldn't have to be sweating about healing
And living and also having to worry about all this like CC
Yeah, I thought that the spore fall was like perfect
Like, I bugged it day one, it was hard enough, you know, it wasn't just completely free.
It wasn't a pushover, you know, you need to do some level of damage and there was some coordination to it,
but it wasn't necessarily something that you felt super strapped for damage and any means at all.
Yeah, admittedly, Rotmire was great.
Up there with one of the best bosses of all time, honestly. Ever.
Okay, who's the best boss of all time?
Fang there, Cursed. Maybe Shen Volts.
Is that the second boss?
Yeah.
Why?
I didn't pray back then.
He's just got a little bit of everything, you know.
First off, he's a complete pushover.
Good job.
So, I love that, right?
You're not sweating about it.
But he's just got like, a little bit of ads.
Got a little A.W.E. section.
You got a little bit of single target section.
Okay.
You got like a run out and drop off fire.
You got like a stack up and heal through.
It's a fun little healer boss.
That sounds like this boss, but fire instead of ice.
Well, he's got all sorts of elements.
Other than being free.
The fun part about his fight, I'm also just doing this a bit, he's actually not that great
of a fight, but I'd just like to say he's my favorite boss of all time, he had like
these two little crystals that the tanks would pick up, and then one of them was like
a super DR around you for a group, and you'd use that for some sets of mechanics, but
it would also completely negate one of his abilities if you were to use it on the
ability itself.
Interesting.
Like it would delete the ability off the floor.
And then the second crystal was you would use it on a friendly target, and then
And they would store whatever that friendly target got hit by.
And then you can press it again and then unleash that thing on the boss.
So one thing he did was like this lightning punch thing that shot lightning out of his
fist towards the tank.
You'd have somebody purposefully get hit by it, use the reflecting on that person, store
the stun that it does, and then stun his raid-wide fast with it.
Huh.
So that's cool.
Yeah, yeah, it's like, it's kind of like a cool little quirky concept, but it was
super, super easy.
Like super easy.
So like, you just show up and you're like, alright, I'm not stressed, this
This is kinda cool, just hanging out for a little bit.
Shout out, Fang.
I got a little distracted, they were doing so well,
and then a rain bubble pop came out,
and it was just ugly.
If you could even tell what's happening
while you're watching a demon on Earth,
should keep playing.
Yeah, dude, ShaqPV is always so fun.
Dude, Ancerac was just incredible.
Yeah, watching him do Webblades.
Just like phase one, Ancerac?
Yeah, it was nuts.
Watching him do Webblades was a treat.
It's the most heart-race inducing thing or heart attack inducing thing of all time to watch this guy play the game
But he's like totally chill about it. He's just one with their movement. He's laughing at me. Yeah
Siori frequently only watches Shackpop whenever he's watching the race. He's right next to him actually at his desk
Yeah, that's next to him. Yeah, he has the MDI on him too. So he's just sitting there watching him the entire time
He's like yeah, I've got no other pub. I want to watch. That's great. This is it
This is cinema. Shack is sat at the same desk every single race. He has like seven monitors in front of him on the wall
But they're never on it's just his main monitor. It's really phenomenal
Yeah, I think that it was one of the early ones like each monitor had a different word on it
It's a like Shaq do not touch or something. Oh, yeah, Shaq do not touch this please. Well, yeah
forgot about that actually
What's that desk even for it's just like a coach POV maybe it'll probably hmm. Yeah
I have no idea what this place looks like when we're not here the whole the whole facility just gets like upended
It's called dark in here now.
Yeah, all the office deaths are pushed around, rooms get, you know, they've turned dark with curtains.
We're like parasites if we're just coming in and getting in place, you know.
Well, this is the new best. 30% of the boss here. Pretty good.
But submarine 9 is going to hurt a little bit though. Let's watch the rate.
There's one tick, there's two tick, there's three tick, there's four tick.
Oh, boom! Oh my gosh.
Bang. And they still have the orbs on the floor.
Yeah.
not looking a little good but they're they're getting the far side cc the
far murlocs consistently now and every single pool have been perfectly stacked
so they're they're really learning how to get these ads controlled what is boss
energy with that cams you see it it's hard to tell yeah I don't know if he's
hiding it but the damage it boss energy I'm curious about oh 89 I'm curious
She enraged at 100 I don't think so because the rate of energy that she's gaining currently right now is like very fast
So I think it's just cast
All right, well with that we're gonna have to a monster energy listen in to see if this is a go next angle
If they have some strats up their sleeve
It's hard to see like
It's also another
I think 3 AMZs go straight to the top.
I think 3 AMZs go straight to the top.
That's fine, where you linked as well.
Yeah, because we have 2 AMZs.
Yeah, I guess.
Is there any melee who doesn't need this, I guess?
That's a DK.
I actually think you should have moved to Anakia.
Me?
That's like that one or what?
It's Anakia.
I don't think anyone has gear on one, if that's what you're wondering.
What was that?
Oh, it's a blue DK.
I mean it really doesn't matter if you have gear
Oh no, if I'm in GFM it's KG, if I'm in GFM it's KG
You are not playing the game
Wait, if I'm in GFM it just comes in on a CQ right now?
Yeah, we can wait
I don't think we can remember the lanes that is like killing adds though
It's better if you link one of the ones in the second P1 droning
because like we have rewinds on the first and the second
not on the third fourth but then we have it again on the... we should have it again on the...
do the hippie thing by the way the drop sound is probably good
oh we have to wait until after the rain like finishes jayline to both doors
you just give me that one more I died in here
because this is the hippie thing
yeah if I have to go to karmada during the raincast it's gonna break it's land
and then I'm just gonna die
just do it for the people to kill you also I think they should just make sure that
They are trying to get you and should just be more safe you sure about that you can take
We just have on every drop
Look at that
The time is I just go on my dk
The time is I like it right back for anarchy if you just want to display a sample when it's losing a rally is
You gain an amzee though
Yeah, yeah, the option
And which is the problem is that there's three big ads and they each take two to get to the boss and
We have four grips, so it's just they they're not making it in and if they were dead
It probably would make it a little bit easier to get kills on the
If you had like one hard CC just on a solo guy somewhere
Yeah
would go crazy because then we could just go to it like for like the next
drop and we could just kill it while we're afk.
I can solo CC a big guy.
Yeah and then we can get the other two in on boss because that would be good.
How can I tell where it's spawning?
It's like a deep heavily raven.
I don't know how we do it on the intermission set because you can't leave it
or can you leave it cc'd on the intermission set like in the cc'd does
of flying to the middle or maybe we just have one but we didn't see that one flying to the middle
are we swapping in the decay where is that as he said he's waltz dk stronger than rq so
yeah probably if i take it we want to try to stay for the pops iron is the same as it was last
year is it yeah is way pixel stacks and still pops it is and we don't move it's like two
How do you not get stacked?
Well we need to see what happens with adults, but in case the damage is going to be predictable
is the idea, yes, and the floor does not do much, it does 30k at a take, but everyone's
going to be per main CD's and you know exactly when the damage is happening.
Can you just drop it on to me and the guy's head?
We should just try it for like the first 40 seconds and then we can get a decaying.
Actually, wait, yeah, we can try it.
So basically I think the three people with the debuffs, I mean how do you get
I think we're gonna get one shot
I think we're gonna get one shot
Stay, let's see, let's see
Let's just try
Let's see what we're doing again
We're not moving at all
We just pixel stack until all the arms are popped
Wait and we die
I'm down, I mean I'm down to trap
Can I darken at least or no?
We just a little dark
Oh, oh, oh, hopefully you're lost
I don't know where else we gotta do it
Reiterating, reiterating what we are doing
We are pixel stacking and when he must go out none of us are moving and I will call the CDs when the first one is out there
We're so dead
You get me this
Yeah
Okay, D-Buster coming out everyone pixel taxed they still pops E3 to now
Now we move now you move away
We can lose 2% it's fun to stride with you.
Let's do it again I'll talk to the next one.
Alright Debbie, Res Nick, let's do Nick you're gonna get fucking smoked again.
Nick's gonna get smoked again.
Nick is nothing to chair.
Heart of the wild.
Res Shaq then for fun.
Stack up, stack up, stack up.
3, 2 we lost our ball.
I'll take it I can suck the next I take three orbs Nick you're just a liar
Who's trapped was this?
Okay, so we're stopping in a DK for like the lowest value DPS
who is that on our longer poles like basically lowest value adding image
isn't an immunity and doesn't ever equal them
the biggest issue is just like hoping in a D like a DK like for no the tanks
was just about for dumb and train I mean I guess we don't know if that's an
right now we're smoking the ads whoever's doing the least of the ads and
doesn't have a raid cooldown swap them out for DK and let's go
who's that?
I feel like I don't need no time
I also feel like we are getting near unity both but we also killing like the
ads are close like super fast right like before we can even move like before
it even matters it doesn't help anything like that diamonds is kind of
like irrelevant
So are we rally for AMD we're shopping a melee this impact impact for where's the DK
You can gun shoot in this room by
The
In the damn way can you gun shoes through the soaps if you're playing DK tank? I think you can't
Well, there's three big ads every set and it takes two grips to get it to the raid and
And
That we can get all the we can least like we should try to be getting all the blue ads to the boss
Because we're AFK on the boss for like ever while they're active. Yeah, that's like should be our goal. Okay
So when the ads are spawning cryptics and disco should go and try to get the far blue ones as close as they can
And then I can try to finish grouping them in wouldn't the better play having Scott not be you you don't lose a DPS
Scott plays
DJ, give it that he just grips the close one.
But he wants to kill the boss on a bear.
Yeah, I mean I can hold my D.K.
Okay, no that's fine.
I can also.
Alright, we're going.
We are not doing the stack thing anymore.
We're going back to what we did on our low pulls.
We're just going to do it with an extra D.K.
Maybe we should all play our bomb.
We can like all eight bombs.
Just keep in mind if you're ever popping orbs
and you feel like the raid is low,
slow the fuck down
we're speed up and get it over with
I think with this
we're not doing this thing
with this you take first
because I'm not even sure
as long as we can get the blue ones in
I think it'll be
you can also make the edges as well
if I get a blue I'm not gonna die
I don't know what your pixeling is
I'm gonna throw in this pool
I'm not gonna fuck your skull
I'm gonna crack these two graphics
you're gonna boss get
you're gonna get him to boss
And then we'll have got the far one I think
We don't want to read it that's bad
Three two one go it's to the blue one and then I shall be dead. Oh, you got this good
Absolute nuke on those good jump and finish the ads now
and boss is moving we're gonna move to an edge oh yeah dude getting the blues
app makes the ads absolutely yeah try not to root the blues yeah yeah yeah yeah
it was drawing you doing it by the way block that in yeah I'm gonna make sure
when everyone stacks here you have to serve me right where we want to be everyone
move everyone get on the pain get on the pain get on the pain
P-Bus are coming out in 3, 2, 1, now.
You have one more gop cryptics?
Yeah.
And we are popping CDs in 3, 2, 1, go.
Everyone in there, getting the stuff on the ground.
Watch that give me rock, give me rock.
Good.
She's a blue guy.
I'm telling you guys to come in.
Yeah, we're piss-flabbing, right? We just get to the safe spot and we're good?
Safe spot.
purple ish don't get knocked out
don't get knocked out
that is that gate is fucking incredible
dude it's so big
okay on the edge
alright you said to do that 10 times
I'll get the close one
I think it doesn't line up
Okay, I'm gonna bring this close for me.
Alright, I'm gonna try to laser the bottom of it.
I'll get your script, X1s.
Scott, you can like go right, you can have a second?
Get that thing? Okay.
And everyone stack up, pixel stack here, pixel stack going off.
Now debuffs are out.
One more can you zoom in?
Oh no, that's the last one.
We're popping them in three, two, one, go.
We getting this stuff on the ground?
fuck it
me?
yeah
oh i blurted in healthbot and then
you hunted the edge?
well
you hunted the edge?
uh oh
get back to the edge
i usually do that
get in position it's not quite on the edge
not a bombs
get ripped again
okay guys get ready
we're dropping there's debuffs are coming out now
good get in position for popping raid cooldowns in three part of the world one
go
still chill chill chill chill
but we pop we're popping cool down like three seconds too early as well that's
because we have I think it's because we have them in the note like a time yeah
the reminders a couple seconds they're like early we moved them I mean I can't
move to maltix
keep going, keep going, keep going
we got an hour, do we have to play it?
knock back
going off, we can finish that
it's going out until the end of the
we'll get two maltix
okay, we need to get to an edge now
We're alive.
I don't know, I'm just gonna have to run out of ammo, I mean.
We have to resnick, probably.
It is, it's a good position here.
You're in a good position here.
I'll just press another orbs are gone.
Oh, I don't find it.
Whatever smacks barrier is going to be, we should be careful on that set.
Everyone stack on the ping, please.
For me, it's us, have to tank.
Yeah.
Get another group from the right.
Okay, and debuffs are out?
I'm sure I'd like this one to more hold.
Yeah, I just think.
We're popping CDs in 3, 2, 1, now.
RCC?
No, no, no.
Take your game.
Go again? Go again?
This was the time I think, maybe?
Is this the one we've been dying on a lot?
No, it's the next one, sorry.
I just moved to one port.
I mean, I think the, I think maybe like doing, you think this stuff is like...
I think we're just too many orbs.
Yeah, I think this stuff is like worse than like if you just kind of just fucking like RNG it,
but I'm actually doing it in a line just because the like...
If you stack them, it's just like they don't have much control over what they compare.
We need to like basically move a little bit more like don't worry about the puddles as much like just move a little bit more at the line
Yeah
Like just so it's like a bit more spread so when you basically took like one small step forward there and pop like six of them
Yeah
That's good. So they were just acting. It's just like the momentum kind of graces sometimes
You know you can't insist on well, they should help right if they're more spread it should be
That was really good though. You we just have to like stay alive for the boss
And we should see if there's an arrangement just turn on our few walk of them
go in the line
yeah I don't think he walks, I'll try that shit out
that would be fucking goat
hey let's go
you need to take on Paul for a second
yeah I'm just getting through bro
just get it to a position
how low does the boss need to be at the start of a phase to ignore all adds
we're doing 30% of what he's doing
I would have to get there in front of you, right?
Yeah, not bad.
I think there's sub 20, maybe.
There's a billion HP, so.
How far do you want things moved?
Like 3 or 4 seconds?
Like 2 maybe?
I don't know.
Just like, I'm counting it down.
Just use it when I count it.
Do it against us.
Oh.
Okay, we are popping soon.
The debuffs are coming out 3, 2, 1.
You have a little more space with the jump.
I'm literally calling.
Popping in, 3, 2, 1, now.
And sometimes we just have more CDs too.
I can get the last one more. You got it though.
What else does damage later as well?
More damage, yeah, ramping.
Oh, that makes sense.
Yeah, I mean, some sets of...
later we just have to go slower yeah it's like it's so easy to do more later when we're dropping
when we're dropping stuff just like make sure you drop it in a longer line against the edge
and the tanks can shoot the I think the tank should be trying to shoot the bottles I think
pixel stack give us in three two one bigger line with the
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
DevOps in 3, 2, 1, now.
Press.
Finish the ads.
Good, getting the safe spot here.
Finish the last set.
One more.
Almost.
Nice.
Safe spots here.
gate if you want to so you don't go in the frost we're using yeah we should
address on rest match thank god we did not rest that's not to backwards do an
edge okay yeah you can talk back and just aim the aim the jet at the it does
remove it yeah it's just only one patch but if you just fucking
Yeah, like with the magic you hit it's like three times in a row
It's kinda drawn in, okay
I'm gonna watch you
Get me smacked
Scott, you can do more if you do the...
Hey, Dita
Zack
Got you, Scott
Zack, Dbuff's in three, two, one
I'm getting one, or is it?
Yeah, I have one
More space, guys
Dbuff's are in three, two, one, go
The river's falling
We're gonna take a lot more damage after this
Slow, slow, slow, slow
who can get the last one there I get it you can raise heavy in a minute and a half
should be okay get the boss the edge here it's on the edge it's okay it's okay
what's from the barriers of these are gonna be soon
he's three twenty three the one that's coming off now you're not sure to
make some sure what
the bus now
you can do the
you have to take someone
two one
are they already popping before i say go
no it's just the rain is at the same time
uh... these are gonna be a little delayed we don't have them
because we have a couple of them
close to us
and she has, she has, take spot, take spot on the star
red's heavy in 45 seconds, should be chill
should he still barrier at his timer later? probably
yes
yeah
cause it's gonna be on, it's gonna be on
yeah
okay everyone stack up, you guys are going like, remember just give it a little more space
you can always pop some later
we can always pop some later
This one is his like events usually, so this is also a bit rough
I don't know if I'm going to go for this one
Okay, D-Buff's in 3, 2, 1, now
It's not that there's something in there
I'm fine
Not good, bro
Popping in 3, 2, 1, go
Where's Evie?
Here is Evie now
We like to go in the tank and take it to the ground.
We'll get the last one.
I'm going in the one.
I don't know, I don't know.
I'm getting the one.
I need the poo-a-shape, bro.
Can you tell me when you'll get the ring snap?
I have 8 more.
I'm off timer.
I have a stack, guys.
I'm going to backstab.
I'm looking this one.
First of all, park the other one.
Yeah, make sure you guys can gate the knock
Just getting three two one
Good position on the edge are you gonna shoot this one to our left? Yeah
You can shoot wherever just don't get it bad
Like without tobo we're gonna need God for sure okay sack up here
both are over here wolf on us nice and debuffs 3 2 1 remember just chill on the
thing waiting we're waiting till after the rain you don't need to go during your
mean I can do some we're popping in 3 2 1 darkness
good couple more nice chill and it's over we're gonna get
Two more actually, go to the baby, it's baby, it's baby, it's baby, it's baby, it's baby, it's baby
We're okay, finish ads now
And then world pool, or no, we're gonna do another set ads
Uh, we're gonna put it on a space, you know
If you can get rid of some of those pools it'd be good
Oh my god, it's finished last
Stack up, stack up
Nice, stack up here, debuffs in three, do it one now
Just don't go too fast here, just don't go too fast.
I've driven one.
We're popping in three, two, one.
Get in the CDs, personal.
I can finish them now.
Just leave. Watch this.
I'm cheating.
That's nice. And then whirlpools.
Across the room, right?
another DK do you next tank combo I don't have
if I need to personal this this damage ramps I can just do it
you're lending in some poo here also this definitely a commit boss if it's not
raging campus do we commit boss? yeah commit boss
we do have to do it still to do that
is he seeing the matter or no we only have to do the first set right it's in
Raging it's an urgent the diamond
Master classes well luckily it's
Could we have all been alive and ignored the last set of ads and maybe kill is it with that?
Well, no, you would lose weight now you lose so much. Yeah, right. How do you do is time by the hockey?
then all right, that's a
That's an unfortunate and we could drop a swing
There was some sense where you can that's worth the time at this point
thank you monster energy for that listening and a look at their best pull and
Sounds like they may be dropping a tank because that was an rage and though people were dead that boss is pretty healthy
It was clean. It looked really really clean. They found a really repeatable strategy for dealing with the ads
You know they have Johnny and cryptics running out there cryptics is gripping over the guy Johnny's driving dropping a little earth grab
But they're about 15% damage off
I mean they had a DPS down to DPS down for a while a while
And it was tobo who's topping meters with permanent was to fate thing in that shadow breeze
So that makes up by four or five percent maybe maybe a bit less
But yeah, it might be a drop a tank angle with less than 45 minutes in the rain tonight
And see if you can rip a killer too. I guess I mean what else you do at this point. Yeah
Yeah, I don't think you're really walking into a boss expecting to make a damage check with four tanks
So they've got a drop at least one. I think three tankings totally fine
But sure or is maybe a bit excessive. What do you drop here? I just make one of the DPS play DPS
Oh, okay fair. Yeah, I mean they'll do like a little bit more damage than they did as Tank
But it's more than sure the shrieks that came out of the room when they hit the interage as well
We get here's the facility like what is happening?
Yeah, so this boss is Azorak
Maybe we should have gone to Azorak and said for an hour
But the problem with that is you're killing it and it's only giving ludes for like five characters or whatever
Yeah, yeah, so this one's only the five items for I don't know how many mains are in this, but
They cannot be planning many of these if not this being the only one
I I if they killed this boss right now in the next 20 minutes
I don't know how you pull it in a group when they you don't think so you don't go on got a lock-in strat
I think they have a really locked-in strat
I think if they do manage to get it down the other group might struggle with like a damage check thing maybe
maybe, maybe. But you're also committing a lot of DKs to this run right now, you know,
you had more playing as DK, you got cryptics playing as DK, the availability of actual
DK alts that are geared enough to do this, you know, if you're not for tanking it is
slowly done. You're seeing cryptics actually even swap to DPS, because he's probably
got more gear than the other guys on his DK. So, um, go on. I am unsaved. If anybody
would like to invite me to Mythic Numerousa Wavecaller, I am 300 item level and I
have no lockout save, if you need any. Yeah, but it looks repeatable. So like, you know,
when you get to the second group, I think they have a good strat going. It's just making
up that 15% that's a tough part.
I feel like we need to try our best to get you into that raid like right now. Like, does
Max look at his chat? Can we send people over there? Like, get Atlas in the raid.
Atlas is unsaved. He's weird.
Bro, send me to the second group if they manage to even kill him first.
Yes, let them do the progression first you'll come in and yeah, oh you want me to do what do you specifically this I got that yeah, sure
Yeah, they got some more learning to do. Yeah, they got learning you're getting all the learning done out here
It's so much easier to sit back and I'm absorbing my own raid later right now
Yes, it's not you had a week to do this Atlas. Would you rather be in there or over here here?
I you guys have been asking me that literally since Tuesday really?
Yeah, I had an answer, I'm okay, I'm okay.
Oh, no, this is your first time asking me?
I think so, yeah, I think so.
Okay, then I've hit the full caster lineup.
I'll ask me if I prefer splits or this,
and every single time until the day I die, it's this.
Listen, we gotta talk about something up here.
Yeah, so.
Anything that drives you,
as far as casting concerned, or not really?
Casting? Yeah.
No, I mean, the amount of times
that they've asked me to dress up,
maybe is a bit concerning,
but also I've been doing all the content shoots,
so it's not something that I'm familiar with.
know okay yes less less acting than all the the commercials and stuff you guys
do yeah I got to play with the prop this time though I got my own little sneak
personality that was a fun one yeah with the hat on I didn't have the hat on
no I had a full constrictor around me sort of situation oh okay going yeah
the name was Eugene oh he was kind of a douche he was being really mean to
Charles what yeah I think I wore Charles the hat earlier was that you
No, you had Charles. Yeah, he's a bit of a pathetic guy, but you know
Here Charles. No
We got two weeks left now
I'm Zen I have no enemies. I mean I was in the kitchen
What is it cam? Oh just without that the extra like blood decadence. That's we're getting very close
Orlocks are in the bub, it should be...
They're swirling, they're swirling!
Maybe even three.
Is it just spinning back out as like steroid men?
Yeah, yeah they come out and they...
The power's not really spinning.
Okay.
Now we're not looking good.
Scottsdude, these orbs are all over the place.
Boom, boom, boom.
Yeah, we're going next.
Can you believe it's day eight basically now, cams?
If they send on the race.
Yeah.
Do you like that?
No.
Oh, that's good.
Yeah, well I'm just going off by the...
Can you believe it's day eight, it's day seven.
Well, I mean it's like basically the end of day seven.
So like we're ending mythic week one with a significant amount of progression needed on numerous a wake caller
Yeah, yes, literally if you would have bet on this you'd have made like ten million dollars
Nobody would have taken the other side of this boss being hard
I do wonder if like a player POV this is still sort of exciting to them for like this is mythic progression in a sense
But it's not like full mythic progression. I I'm curious like if vibes are high if it's more like a
Eh, we'll be in there on Wednesday if there's a kind of thing I've got to imagine
After dealing with a difficult heroic week and showing up and all these bosses have been hard and there may be a little bit worn out and
They just entered this tier
Lowering their character count for mental health reasons after feeling burnt out from last patch
And then getting hit with mythic splits in this tier. Yeah, and then showing up to this boss and it being hard
They're probably a little bit
a little bit, not so happy, yeah, I wonder like, I mean, we could hear Scott a little
bit in the listening, he sounds pretty tired. And I wonder like, just because it's like
the loot's not great outside the trinket, it's, you know, one of six myth, they've been
through so much, the boss is so hard, like it's this weird spot where like mentally,
like at least for me, I would feel like I don't want to be here. This is dumb.
Boss like this and it makes it hard to like try really hard like have that like energy to like really push. Yeah, yeah
Also wrapping up the that raid day, you know or towards the end of the raid. Yeah only god
What is it another half an hour? Yeah, it's like bro. We've gotten how many items over this week
Do we really need like 10 more? Yeah, and then you're basically looking for a trinket side grade or
Like 20 crest saved. Yeah off this one
So, the war doesn't necessarily match the difficulty, as we've said.
It should be fair, it should be a world first kill if you got it.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, so, you know, for the glory.
And in the world where it gets nerfed on the reset, you're going to be the only ones
who have killed the boss and it's, uh...
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah.
Well, Europe gets another chance.
They get tomorrow.
Yeah.
It's last today.
I guarantee they'll have this boss dead tomorrow.
I mean, they even care tomorrow.
Like, if it's for you, ask me to eat you.
Eat you.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, almost assuredly, I think, that they kill this boss tomorrow.
They're opting in for a little bit of a weirdish shot, though, now.
With the beam in here?
I don't know why they changed it this way.
Well, prior to this, they were putting all of the orbs on the edge of the room,
and then the Moralex, at the beginning, would run through the ice, you know, and
And um, oh yeah, they're clear pools this way or is it?
Yeah, so they're using the water jet to actually clear the pools, right?
It's like a bit of a wonky mechanic in terms of how it interacts with the patches.
You know, I talked to T.H.D. while we were doing the listen and he's just kind of wandering
around laughing.
But he was like, oh yeah, the tank mechanic doesn't work.
Like it only clears one pool ever, like one pool of one of the orbs.
But if you take a look at, you know, how it's actually doing the clearing, it
It seems like you almost need to wiggle around a little bit and has multiple little tick rates
and if you don't hit the center of it, it doesn't actually clear it.
But anyways, now they're kind of opting into putting all the ice patches right next to
the boss, which I don't know if that's wise from my perspective, but I don't know, I'm
sitting on the sofa, you know, there over there gaming.
But they were putting on the edge before, so the Murlocs would speed through the beginning
of the ice patch at the beginning, and then once it was near the bubble where
it was dangerous, then you had the ability to actually stop them.
Now they have the ice right next to the the bubble those more locks are almost for sure sprinting straight through that ice and going in
I think this is a boss uptime change. Yeah, it was so healthy
Yeah, it makes sense
You know you're playing more central so that you have all the ads in range, right? You're not running all over the place
Which is really really good. It's good optimization for damage, but it does make it way sketchier
They just have to make sure the water jets actually clear every single ice patch
Which I don't know if they can clear every ice it gets a bulk of them, but
Yeah, it's definitely a sketcher. It's making their CC rotation and add control a little bit less consistent
Yeah, but at some level where the boss is that much HP left and I'm sure they've done the math you go
We either stop doing this or we try a little more uptime strat. Yeah kind of bash into that and go
Okay, well, this is actually doable. Yeah, you got to think what the DK's were doing prior to this, right?
Like you have three people effectively not interacting with the fight for the entirety of the fight
And that's just not good for damage like they were running across the entire room just spamming chains on a bunch of mobs
And they're not hitting the boss now that the case can't hit the boss and do their grips at the same time
They're aggressively gripping into mythic ads right next to the bubble and just blowing them up
So we got a little bit of a damage optimization happening
I mean 40% is a good bit to find but the same time like I don't think it isn't the grand scheme of things
But it's a good bit with half an hour left and rate as I'm thinking
It might be like they're you sort of just what can we do in the next half hour kind of like YOLO?
Yeah, they're sending a little Hail Mary. They're going for the kill. They're trying to make the image optimizations
It's gonna take them a couple pulls to kind of lock that in with what they now need to relearn in terms of ad control and like making sure that they're safe
Hopefully looking really thrilled right now at the state of the box. Yeah
I noticed a lot of the writers if they look pretty tired
Which is completely understandable
The situation therein is weird
The whole week has been weird even I was saying earlier man. I'm just I'm not upset their shoes are really right
I'm just like sort of I don't think the splits day nine. There's a bit of hype on the boss and today
I know that they know I'm just saying but like there's a bit of hype behind the boss is dying today
Obviously like you know in team sentinels very cool to see I guess tell me yesterday, right at this point
They all run together, but it just really you're in this constant lull of like all right
Well actions coming in three days not two days. Oh, well, it's more splits in the horizon, but there's a hope. They are likely until somewhere
Yeah
and just a
Lot in front of them also
Like some of those bought, you know, I mean twin thing seems like it's gonna be really hard
Cold altar seems like it's gonna be really hard
Okay, obviously TG in the past is silly
I was just whipping that thing left and right and it didn't clear a single patch.
That is just beast.
What do you think about Sazorak and Twin Fangs?
Twin Fangs is easy. There are 16 kicks, whatever you do, it's free.
I think you've been wrong in the past in certain times, but I do feel like Sazorak,
with a reset of gear, I don't know if it'll be that difficult.
And we were discussing is there a possibility this raid goes to the next reset,
not tomorrow, but basically eight days from now, like third reset.
Some titles sort of agree that it's like a 10% chance, but it really there needs to be like a mid tier wall boss like
200 on coil 300 on
who will take like 150 on some other boss before them, but there's literally a Cezor hack and
Twin fangs left. I don't get like twin fangs. I don't have any full boss. Oh, I think that one's gonna be rough
I think it's gonna be a
Doosie, okay, it's all those kicks and one of them misses. It's over right? Yeah
Yeah, it's the level of punishment for the entire fight, not just the kicks. The kicks are not to be overstated. They are hard
But a single kick ever goes off you all instantly die
If anyone gets hit by a single green mechanic the entire fight everyone instantly dies. There's no fixing it
What do you buy green mechanic? So
Seven stacks of poison debuff kills you but on mythic specifically if you die to that you shoot out the acid
Oh, you were done. Okay, gotcha.
You expel like three stacks out, which means you then kill everyone else.
Are they...
What's that happen?
Oh, I see some players harping out and they have a monitor over here.
It could be a 07 angle, I'm only sure it's point.
Baldy baldy looks like he's in Silverman.
Oh, yeah, the worlds are up, we're heading out.
Oh, they are. Okay.
They gave up.
I don't think this is like a bad call either.
No, I think you know they could spend some time and end up killing it
But it would probably run their entire rest of their rate night, and then they still might wipe low
Yeah, maybe a little really to bedtime possibly. I'm actually doing here is my either
I mean the loot is really not worth the headache. Yeah, so it's okay if they don't kill it
It'd be nice if they killed it
But it's not gonna make or break the race at all to have these items that drop off this boss
Yeah, so they'll probably come back in next week, you know with a little bit more gear
Hopefully it's a little nerfed and then end up getting it down pretty quick
But they had a nice little innovative shot there towards then for more uptime
It's cool. I would have helped. I think the fact that this is like the last thing they had or they could do
I guess within reason with their splits means probably a pretty successful split week
Which I hate to say split week, but I mean it probably was pretty successful cars and great great heroic week
Yeah, good, you know, it's to have here. Good for a week. Well, they care about that
That's
This week we'll go down
In history one of the weeks of all time. Yeah, it was a week where the race happened. Yes
I mean that's out the race is going
Is it there is something you know as?
Brutal or sluggish sluggish, whatever of the these splits of Ben
There's like a cool logistics problem that's being solved
I guess I mean I'm just like trying to figure out how to spend the time in the most efficient way
Oh, sure and the gear and all that yeah, there is a skill going into this week. It's not just totally brain dead
Yeah, yeah, I don't try there. There's a
Race could be one or lost by this week and a redeemable quality of mythic progression of this week
We got to see a boss get cheese, then that's always fun fashion. Yeah cheese. I mean got cheese
That was a mess. Okay with it. Honestly like you said something to our at all. You said something to kill, okay?
That boss was a wild ride
So, I'm not surprised, I ended up in a weird form, but I don't know, yeah, I mean, so what,
four out of, basically four blossoms on all raids, and yeah, looks pretty good, I'm excited
about it.
Yeah, well what this week coming to an end, that means there's some good data out there,
so I think Kamaz, you want to grab one of these Alienware laptops, do an Alienware
analysis, look through some logs, go over the statistics of the week, see if it's
good.
Well, we just sort of like dig through a little bit of Warcraft Logs if you want me to pull it up real fast here quickly.
Get rid of Warcraft Logs up.
Yeah, so I mean like there's like a lot of varying damage profiles we know of this Raid Tier, right?
As far as like some classes being really good, Cleave-wise, other classes being, you know, excelling at single target.
I mean like warriors, solid rogues, very, very strong obviously in single target.
But I mean, I'm sort of curious like to peruse the Logs here.
We'll go to her, I guess, for the most part here and check on Mithic at the end.
What's performing the best over all this raid here? I mean for the most part give me predictions here
Yeah, that's by the way. Um, I got a hint and it might be brown
Oh, okay, gonna go with it might be light to blue like blue
You're cheating now cams. You're cheating
There has been a decent bit of arcane
I noticed on next alley actually for like I guess stick the stack I believe they have like in the various
points in the fight where you have like large ad spawning and clipping is
on obviously I mean one of the bigger like questions this tier has been what
is good unlike the cleave base fights and two fatnose obviously a wall of
Dester locks here a lot of Dester there's a bit of shadow that I saw as
well I feel like once the word it's out shadow priests might start creeping up
in here this is looking a little bit more like that's a shadow priest right
there you know looking pretty good overall but yeah I mean a lot of like
like just bearing damage for all of us right here. Vashnik, a lot of RK mage, Whaley Shaman
in there, but he's cheating with power infusion so we're going to ignore him for now.
Yup. They explore us, a lot of Deathstroke, a little bit of Shadow Priest popping up.
I feel like low-key Shadow Priest is like the sleeper pick this tier.
Yeah. A lot of fights. Like, they were good on PTR, they got nerfed a bit, and they
ended up being pretty strong towards the end again. But my biggest question this
tier is where is Sozorak going to land on Mythic? We see, like, Mark's doing pretty
well, sub doing pretty well. There's one warrior here also, but like on Mythic, if that damage
check is pretty tight, a lot of it's going to be revolving around optimizing damage in those wins,
in that knockback. Because if there's a damage amp there, the boss is like a half-minute
dig in where he takes more damage, but the whole rage is being blown around by these wins,
right? So things like subrogue, rogue in general, sim very high, can probably mitigate
the wins pretty well. Classes like, I hunt there probably, I would assume warrior can be
charge all their talk you have like have good uptime yeah exactly versus a
classic a deshro lock or other classes killing cast much in the move like it
won't struggle twin fangs though this is what surprises me a lot getting a bit
brown yeah I thought you'd see these middle like shadow priests here more like
deshro locks because I could debate not super high uptime on this fight like
later parts of it I guess but it is just a wall of warrior like a wall
There's one arcane mage and just there's two
Yeah, that is actually insane
Jeff was talking about that there are damage being like baser and sweeping strikes
converting basic like about 90% of the damage to a second target like
I'm curious that will last after the raid tier actually being at a 95% modifier
But I mean regardless we need to be strong this tier and they are looking to be very strong this tier
Then past there a decent bit of warrior uncooled altar as well, which we saw a lot like it early splits as well
We're getting pretty well there. Yep, and it will attack a lot of arcane actually, which is surprising
Yeah, well what it is about arcane that it's good here and not on the previous two
Well, just a little has a lot of ad slop, which yeah arcane prioritizes on a lot
All damage is valid damage all all now it is they value
All damage is valid damage, especially once you get on Mythic, those adds are no longer
ad slot.
They actually have to die.
So, you know, you're going to want classes that actually do get damage to them specifically,
but when you're thinking cold altar, right, you're just having pure single target into
pure single target into two stack cleave, but it's also specifically in execute for
next set of period of time where it's really shine.
When you're getting to Ultec, you're getting sort of a mixed damage profile with a lot
of adds, a lot of burn, a lot of single target, a lot of adds, and there's a lot
more stacked opportunities for things to be low for them to capitalize on.
Yeah, exactly. And when it comes to things like Coal Altar, on Mythic there's obviously
two adds present in Phase 2, so you have the boss and two ghosts running around you to
kick. In Phase 3 you have the boss, well I get the boss. You have Hex Lord and Zuljana,
plus I think an add there as well, so a lot of cleat potential there. I'm curious
to see where that goes. There have been discussions about maybe some burn-based
DPS trinkets being played, like the on-demand burst ones where you just pop and blast
Will John keep him in that execute lower health pool for longer classes like warrior that's what I can get a lot of
Leave there for a larger period of time, which looks pretty solid
But I mean as far as my this concern is very similar a lot of arcane to evokers
Well, at least I'm in there once in a while. We should you feel coming in there needs a monster on a table apparently
But you know the weather would have ranked one
And they have a lot of deshaun to females which is not surprising but
Yeah, uh, besides that I mean I will say this little misleading
That's good. Don't come in and hit us.
Don't come in and hit us. We don't need it. I bottom frag. Anyway, I'm lost explorer.
So we don't want to talk about that very much. Let's go look at your log. No, we're not.
Can we learn the analysis? The analysis section as well. Yeah, sure.
So it's a 95%. Yeah. So RAID statistics
95, we said? Yeah, 95. Let's set that to heroic.
Everybody loves a little bar chart. Yeah, no, why not?
Oh, that's great. So here's all the two picks.
Arcane Arms Warrior, Marks Hunter, depth is a little higher up, I thought it would be actually.
It's Hunter.
Subtle T, LML Shaman, Shadow Priest, Desher Lock, and then Bottom Fragment, and here Frosty K off.
Oh, so on and so forth.
Yeah, well, you know, buffs on Tuesday.
Yeah.
Buffs on Tuesday.
A big question this tour has been, where are we getting our mark of the wild from as well?
Yeah.
I mean, like, obviously, Heroic First Mythic will differ, but Balanc's Druid being middle of the pack-ish,
barrel being produced on bar, rest of being a little awkward, it could have been Guardians
would have been a good bit.
Yeah, it just depends on the boss really.
Guardians are a good pick for a majority of the bosses, but you get, you look at Nimrissa
and you see how these adds are all spread out, like that boomkin is fantastic for that
fight.
True, very true.
You're looking at Bull Attack, and thinking of the mythic changes to that fight where
you're going to have to break out these eggs and you want a bunch of spread cleavage.
It's fantastic for that fight too.
So you don't necessarily feel bad for having a boomkin in your comp.
It might not be as stackable as these arcane mages and arms warriors, right?
you're looking at this fight in particular this is just a crazy bar chart to see but it does have its
value on the fights itself it holds a specific niche it's holding down the weaknesses of these
classes that are doing God's work on these bosses in particular. Bro that is a big bar. I mean it is
but you know. But this or should be on a fight like that. Yeah exactly. I will agree with that.
Like a chart like this does show how much like damage profiles matter and sims aren't the end
I'll be all which is very hard to drive home like if you look at Sims subroaks the highest mean class in the game
I think maybe a warrior in subrobar. Yeah top two or three right?
Desteros like
Mid middle of pack but on fights for damage profiles irrelevant
Chattapris high Dester lock high, then you hop to like oolah tech for example
Bottom fragging ass night a demo parse on here. That's your middle of the packs. Yeah, this fights. I'm going to fire
Sure. Yeah. Wow. Look at the harm just gapping
I'm not bad, not a bad deathlock, sorry, this boss.
Yeah, well you know, I wonder when tuning is in,
don't bite my tongue.
Yeah, low frosty chemist when you're feeling bad.
Yeah, decent bit, decent bit.
And then at the same time, like Cezorak for example,
their single subrogue, all three outlaw rugs.
Yeah, so weird.
Which is very interesting.
It's been a tier of, it showcases a lot of unique damage
profiles, which is really cool. We haven't seen it here because I feel like in a while it's like,
probably undermine maybe? It's very cool to see you know, because it's funny that the last two bosses,
the niche that's good at them is to target execute damage amp, like who can do the most
damage and execute. Yeah. Yeah, very interesting weird one. This, this raise is just chalk full
of two target and then one random guy who's pure single. All right. Well, there you go.
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All right, well, we're kind of waiting for Max
to finish up his raid.
No wonder we have the black light spotlight coming up with him.
No other shenanigans, I'm sorry to say.
We had to fill some time last night.
Yeah, last night was the geoguessir, right?
That looked pretty fun, actually.
Yeah, it was a little...
Was it a rookie geoguessir, yes?
A little bit of that.
They went dark, so we did a little something after that.
Cam's and I had a handful of those on the...
After dark, what, last race?
Race before?
A lot of the races before, yeah.
We were cheated a lot.
Really?
How good were you guys at geoguessir?
Uh...
We got like fourth or something last night.
Against the we were playing with the audience. Well, you had jet here, so I'm very jet like phenomenal most random things in this game
Yeah, I was to leave the
the game
Yeah, I mean man of niche talents. Yeah
He knows a lot of trans fog and he knows a lot about Geo guesser
Yeah, you would not expect looking at jet. That's your knowledge guy
Yeah, yeah, we're talking a lot about like old limit stuff and like yield forming and just kind of old
Hardcore rating of the past and he's just got so much stuff locked in there
Yeah, yeah, but I have just completely forgotten like weird like niche things that happen on bosses or with different guilds and drama
Well, you've blocked it out of your memory. He he dwells in the past. Yeah
I was young he's holding on to it. I think Jetson in the Ucams actually. Yeah, he is young. Yeah, well that makes sense
Yeah, you know
Or maybe the oldest person
In this bill, I think Alice is in the building. Oh, sorry. Oh true. Yeah. Thank you. See you
I'm older than you cams. We've already right now. There's no way. How old do you just say it might come on?
37
That's not bad
Are you good? Yeah, it's getting there. It's not there yet
The ideal age for the founder program, yeah exactly keep that locked in exactly exactly
That's all of though.
No, I feel young.
I'm happy to hear it, Cam's, you know.
I mean, I was drinking monsters at, you know,
near midnight talking about World of Warcraft.
Yeah.
Anyway, maybe that's old.
Talking about World of Warcraft is old stuff.
Yeah, it's pinnacle of youth.
It is.
No, Cam, we're living life, right?
We're blessed to be in a position that we are.
Yeah, we're very blessed.
And the game that we love.
Play the game that we love and talk to people that we love.
And speaking of one of those people,
Max has sat down in his blacklight chair for the blacklight spotlight after a grueling week of splits
I have two questions about nimrissa one does it annoy you and which part annoys you more the
design intent being missed or the one of six loot?
Oh, I mean that they're the same thing right?
Because like the design the one out of six loot shows you the design intent right like it's that's the only way
You really know this is the first time we've gotten something like this. I guess you compare it to like chimeris
Like chimeris was last patch. It's like, okay, it's its own lockout sweet way to get mythic loot
Maybe they were trying to do that again
Yeah, wow, I mean it's just I feel like it perfectly sums up this week actually like I feel like the world boss is a perfect single thing
You can point you to be like that is what this week was which was probably like I
Don't know if you call it tuning or just like quality of bosses because like bugs aren't tuning right?
But I think like every boss we fought like mythic or heroic was like bugged or overtuned in some way until it was fixed this week
Even Vashnik Vashnik is bugged good and bad randomly totems just disappear that you don't hit all the time
That's why sometimes you one shot that boss or do it in five pulls and splits or something
It's like
Sometimes like you're just completely screwed and just they just disappear. No no idea why sometimes you hit them directly with a thing
And they don't
It's just like the quality of the bosses is so low
I don't really know what happened because it's never felt like this since like I feel like since we started doing the race
Honestly, like when we started doing the race, there was like a lower bar. There's a lower standard like they got way better
This feels like this is like eight years ago. Something's like something's crazy wrong. Hmm. Okay
What do you think cause mythic splits this tier? I've been pondering this for a few days
Is it like the week just ran so long in heroic splits?
It was like why not just split mythic for two days or yeah something
It's been building for a while.
No, it has not been building for a while.
We never talked like,
we're probably doing mythic explosives here
before the tour, that literally never came up.
Okay.
I think going into this tour, we were all assuming
normal rogue week,
get done with splits on Friday at lunch,
which is I think the latest it's ever been done,
and then just go raid mythic, right?
And then the raid was really hard,
the raid was really bugged,
the servers didn't work Tuesday, time went on,
it's Saturday, and we're like looking at
how much we still have to do,
We were like, I mean, if you include Mythic Plus, we could have maybe gone in, like, late Saturday night, early Sunday morning.
The reason we did extra Mythic Plus was because at that point we're like, I mean, splitting is kind of the only thing.
It was basically like we have two days left in the slot cow. Like, what would progressing do?
We would have definitely killed Cedarak. We did that off stream last night and we made it with everyone alive past the first wins,
which is the fight just repeats after that point. It's no different. And we were on the damage check in a split without Mantis Runes.
like that was easy. It's just about like now we would have had maybe more time for that I guess but
yeah this week has just been been super weird man like like we made the decision on Sunday and
or I guess we made it I honestly was like Friday I think it was Friday like right around the time
we were going to Mythic it kind of like just a message went in the officer chat like so we're
doing Mythic splits right and everyone's immediately like no there's no way that's
worth it. We're going to lose so much time and then Saturday came along and every person
one by one was like, it is kind of the only thing you can do at this point. There's just
so much loot you can get. So it's unfortunate it became a thing. I really hope this isn't
the future of the race. Big time. You know what I mean? You know how insanely bad
it would be if we're going into this week and we're thinking, okay, we're planning
on doing mythic splits, but I don't think so. I think in a regular raid, there's
no way you are at Friday and you're doing splits. It took us like two days to do splits. What would
you do for those other two days? Split maybe one more boss. You could see so far on the raid.
You could, in some raids, you could literally kill the raid in the time from Friday to Monday.
You can't risk that slash. It's not worth it, but I will say there's one change this patch
that made it even more viable is the vault in the coins. Previously, you'd want to go
farther to get that late boss thing where that's four out of six mythic, but now with
with the vault change you could get an item off the first boss that's six out of six mid
thick that's worth a ton of crests maybe it's a weapon right like out of the vault what
you're used to look for like some late boss weapon can now just drop on any boss alone
right and then on top of that if you don't hit that there's always the coin so the value
of doing less bosses in your week has never been higher so it's kind of like a perfect
storm thing I think but yeah with the dwindling faith in the polish in this patch and in
Are there any bosses that you're looking at coming up that you feel like are going to be a concern?
And does that make you feel a little bit more pressed to make sure that splits in week two are more thorough
to kind of cover for tight damage checks or weird little things you're going to expect tuning-wise
that are going to need weeks?
I mean, we're probably going to have to do a little bit more splits next week just because we know
that we are going to be less geared than our competition.
Like, they have more characters, they run more splits objectively.
I don't know if they'll have more eye level, but they'll certainly have like better pieces on their characters
So we'll probably run a few extra splits to shore that up, which is kind of nice
That's like kind of one of the equalizers right like hopefully we can do that. It won't take that much time
But I don't know if it means like getting extra eye level because like I think Blizzard's in a really weird spot like I think
They've done like panic nerfs to raid before
But it was around like holidays
I'm not really too worried about BlizzCon this time because it's like actually the end of like the week after
like it would be absolutely insane if we're still raiding anywhere around BlizzCon about to start
but still I think Blizzard has always gotten away with these raids ending in the weekend right like
all of them, Demensius, Lora, every raid you can remember ends like around Friday, Saturday, Sunday,
Monday which is like enough into a lockout where like there's no BS with like you know the lockout
differences or whatever but around resets there genuinely can be right there almost was on Sylvanas
Like, think about our timeline next week. What did we do on the last raid we did, or Midnight Season 1?
We fought in the reset we killed Lora. We just killed Belorin and Lora, two bosses.
We were on the second to last boss at the start of the week. Obviously we did a day of splits.
Spoiler alert, we're going to probably do a day of splits tomorrow.
And then we have even more than just the last two bosses, right?
So, like, I think there's an absolute realistic chance that if Ula-Tex is hard as Lura and
Coyle alters as hard as Bellarin, and Twin Fangs doesn't instantly die, that it is absolutely
a danger of going to the reset, and that is a scenario that I think Blizzard is very afraid
of for good reason, because that could be very weird. Right? Like, we get the reset,
we get a root, whatever, and it just dies. Like, that's terrible. And then there's the
other side of that, which is the other fear. You know, that's not, I'm not really
feared about having enough gear to go to a boss like you asked, but I'm afraid of another
Razigot situation where they don't want that to happen, so they just make the boss super
easy out of nowhere, which that was terrible for everyone involved, including Ekko, right?
So yeah, I don't know.
I'm really, really hoping that these bosses are good, but it's going to be hard for
them to be really good, and I have absolutely no confidence in them being tuned well.
Am I wrong for that?
feel like it would feel so it would be it would be weird to be great but it'd be
weird if you went up to a boss and it just worked and everything was tuned
properly like I just feel like something's gonna be wrong with every
boss something's gonna be bugged something's gonna be broken really hope
that's not the case but yeah really low confidence but I mean I hope the
bosses are great and I really hope that there's no nonsense because we have
such a unique amount of time left in the week to where things could get
really weird because of this whole situation so hope there's nothing to
that yeah weird but hopefully exciting yeah at least we get to finally like
actually do what we like to do yeah you know which is cool we haven't really
been able to do that yet yeah maybe longer splits than the normal week to
but definitely not all week which is nice um yeah maybe I don't know I mean I
always like I would plan not to see anything tomorrow because I assume
Like splits just take longer this season. That's a thing and
Usually if it's at like 10 p.m. And there's any more gearing you can do it's kind of weird to like
I mean, I guess you could do your mythic re-clear, which would be really easy with gear
We like if these bosses are like in split gear is so funny like you're gonna be so much more gear next week
We haven't sent any any crests any crafts no one's even taken their vault from last week
Like nothing literally dark characters have sent not a single resource you can send
So it's gonna be kind of fun to see like how strong we get next week
Yeah, exciting. We're almost there. All right. Thank you. Yeah, you guys have been trucking to it's been a week for you guys
Yeah, the ships aren't quite as long as what you guys have got going but it is
What have you guys been talking about old rate tiers business cards at BlizzCon?
I don't know if you remember some of that. Oh my god
Yeah, the American flag
Yeah
You still have one yeah, I still have one oh my god, you should show the broadcast
Okay
Yeah, those were made for me
Man what year was that that had to have been like almost ten years ago. Yeah
Yeah, it's insane. Yeah
Yeah, I will yeah, thank you for joining us
Big you heard it another day of splits tomorrow with hopefully maybe a little glimpse of mythic
Reclaring I finally get my chance to help them. You could get in and out
And I have gaps in my shift tomorrow, so I I'm flying in there
Yeah, all right
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It's been a rough few days. I've been looking. I haven't had my fifth meal every day, so it's getting a little rough, but we're getting there
Yeah, we're getting there with well, maybe about to go order some food. I'm ordering something. That's the theme of the whole race so far
We're good. We're getting there. We're getting there. Yeah steady like a tortoise
Yes, what is that the thing? I actually have no idea. Yeah. Yeah the tortoise in the hair
Yeah, yeah, you're on the money on that one on the money on the tortoise T. She is the hair
here, blazing a path for us all.
Teach me over there, waiting to get a ride home.
Just lurking, waiting for the van to leave.
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