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Hello, everyone. Good morning. Welcome back to Team Liquid Race World First. My name is
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the Race World First. I hope everybody is having a tremendous morning because I
hope the vibes continue with the prod that we hopefully will see.
I was wondering what you're talking about.
I mean, like, listen, yesterday, I feel like the vibes were a little off.
The Reclear ripped great until Coiled Alter, and then we wasted a couple hours on Coiled
Alter.
For those of you keeping up with the race watching the Echo Stream, they one shot it
yesterday.
So, Reclear went better for them than it did for us.
Unfortunately, that hasn't happened in a long time.
But, I mean, Jon, as you're cooking up some copium, that's all right.
Yeah.
Ultimately, the race is decided by who plays better on the end boss.
get a little bit of an advantage if you get more time on the end boss you have
more opportunities to do that but it's gonna be decided by who plays better on
Ullatech that is gonna be who wins the race the boss is nowhere close to dead
yet we are in for another couple days of progression that's what's gonna decide
this thing so liquid absolutely still in with the you know 50-50 shot
basically with Echo right now it's all gonna come down to how well we play
these next couple of days and whether or not the boss is it's gonna
cooperate and whether or not it needs any nerfs, which depending on if it does that that could throw a whole other wrench into things
So I'm gonna be a little bit of an update on what I was seeing from echo because they have pulled the boss for a few hours
After the reek there was done
They started moving their lusts to the p1 burn, so they're not lusting in p2 anymore
Yeah, and their best burns they're getting a little tech down to about 57% 58% right which seems like it's in a killable range
It's about similar to what it was like on the heroic burn week one
I don't think we've seen them get through P2 without lust yet.
Yeah, that's the hard part.
P2 without lust is incredibly scary.
I mean, last week it was close with lust.
We've gained a lot of gear, but not enough to make up for a blood lust.
Yeah, definitely a lot going on.
We're definitely in slingshot territory, hopefully, but I woke up this morning and
I was quite shocked by, or maybe I shouldn't have been shocked though, by how little
progress Echo had made.
Well, yeah, because they've moved their bloodlust.
So they're sort of re-progressing the phase two, which is a very hard phase,
had been done with lust by both guilds last week.
We know you need to not lust that phase in order to actually kill the boss though,
which is what Echo are working on right now.
It does seem doable without lust,
but it seems very, very hard even with this week's reset of gear.
But maybe Liquid will have a better time of it.
We can see them forming up in front of the boss,
So they should be able to get started polls fairly soon,
but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a good bit of meeting
to do because one of the other things that Echo were able
to do with this time is they've been able to figure out how
to do the early parts of the fight with more like cleave
damage and less boss damage or more boss damage,
less cleave damage, leaving that wretch up for longer.
It can be very tough.
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Today we get to see how
how high tempo the poles are going to be able to be.
But I did want to take a quick look at the changes that Echo made.
So there was a lot of talk about the ret paladin,
a lot of talk watching Liquid play with it
and Echo play without it,
about how powerful that spec would be on the venomous heart
with the way that their execution sentence works
and provides final damage.
Echo flirted with it for three poles
and now they've taken it back out
for the second hunter again.
Liquid on the other hand, we're not still sure what their comp changes are going to be.
We know that they were gearing some new stuff during the farm period.
We saw them playing like smacked instead of trill as their munk buff on a lot of the farm
bosses, the early farm bosses at least.
I don't know if they're actually planning to make any changes though.
I feel like they may, from what I can see it looks like they're not pulling the trigger
on any more changes so far.
So we may see Liquid just continuing with the same comp that we saw last week
as you can see in the raid frames down there.
new names, the Drainster still on the rest of Shaman, although when we talked to him last night in
the Blacklight spotlight, he was talking about how it's not guaranteed yet. He does have the option
for the Holy Pally. You know, they will be able to adjust further. So we might see that today,
particularly if they feel like they run into something where the composition is
impeding them in some way. Yeah, I wonder if they are going to be making any swaps based
off of just vibes. They'd have to do it like a double swap. It's up if they want to do
do that right it have to be like yeah it would have to be Driney and laborer
gonna shard for a shine and Driney's paladin that kind of thing which you know
that might make sense but lip is very very good and also this fight is pretty
well suited to him but then you get the benefit of Driney on the paladin I
don't know there's a couple other flex spots that you could potentially mess
with the shadow priest the second rogue the I mean that's kind of it right
Like beyond that it's I I feel like what you could do on this fight if you went back in time
Is play like a vengeance demon hunter instead of the second blood DK and then you could not play a DPS
DH but they're never gonna do that either they've got Shaq on the DH that guy's an anchor of the roster
It's almost impossible to imagine sitting in but I do wonder if you actually need the second blood DK
With the way the last phase looks I think one DK could cover it all
Yeah, Shaq is a big glue guy. Yeah, I think you don't ever want to sit Shaq even if you kind of want to sit VH
Glue guy in terms of like utility that is class bring
Holistic person he's just he's just a fan of various glue products and
Actually
It's fun. It's our bit worked on at least one person and that that makes me happy. Mm-hmm. No, I mean
I feel like I like sticking with the same comp. You've done 200 pulls with these guys people are gonna be familiar with the fight
It's gonna make relearning a little bit more consistent
I'm sure that they have players that are ready to swap in certainly
They they sat last night at the at the end of the night and had like a 40 minute meeting where they muted comps
And they're probably talking about what they felt like the best thing was for the fit for the fight
What the plan was to move lost out of P2 because we know that has to be moved to a bit of a start once we start looking for a kill
That has to be on one of the damage apps for sure. They were doing a lot of strat stuff last night and
Probably just re going over that right now before we give any pulls on on the boss
Yeah, they can watch what echo have been doing in particular P1 without killing that wretch quickly
That's gonna be a an adjustment, right? So for those of you know, there's a there's a mythic ass
this wretch that spawns from this big egg in the middle.
What Liquid have done for most of these 200 holes of progression is kill it real quick
before it does anything.
But what Echo are doing now and what we know you're going to have to do to kill this boss
is leave it alive for a while so you don't waste too much damage on it, but then you
get this mechanic where it creates like a safe bubble around it and massively blasts
everything outside of that bubble.
Aside from like one tank who will be far away and must stay far away, everybody
else in the raid is going to have to get inside that bubble. But there are periods
where you're either a dodging waves or b carrying eggs and needing to do that at
the same time. And remember on mythic if you're carrying an egg you can't stand
on top of anybody else carrying an egg. So stacking inside that mythic ad
bubble while carrying an egg is actually a pretty tough ask. The good
news is it kind of happens at the same time as a spectral coils which is
when you got to do that anyway. So it's actually not that much harder than
you'd think because you're kind of already forced to do the same kind
mechanic a couple seconds later, so you kind of just preposition for it to do the mythic add.
And then if you leave it alive for a really long time, which Ekko we're doing,
A, it enrages, which means your tank's in trouble, and anybody outside the bubble is just going to
have one shot instead of, you know, take a heavy damage. And B, that next bubble comes during
this wave overlap where it's very hard to find a safe place to position that bubble. Ekko
have been doing it in one of these like corner spots where you can see of this octagon,
but that also requires you to kind of relearn that dodge sequence.
It is one of the easier way of dodges because nobody's carrying an egg during that one,
so it's a little bit less punishing. You don't have to all be in different places of the room
like you do when you're dodging with eggs.
Yeah, Echo's kind of developed much of the strategy for this game.
We were also struggling with the tethers, and we changed it once we saw
what Echo was doing was a little bit more reliable.
Yeah, that's a cool part as well.
Well, phase two features these tethers, which if you've played this fight on heroic
You'll also be very familiar with they briefly were cheeseable in week one and then they made them not cheeseable
So you get six players total three on each side tethered and when you snap them you get a massive dot
And so figuring out how you can get all six of them snapped safely
Is a big part of the difficulty of heroic a lot of the heroic strategies are snapping?
two than two than one than one or two than two than two, something like that.
The mythic strategy that Echo pioneered was one, real quick right away,
and then all five of the rest.
And as long as you don't get one shot by all five of the rest, that strategy is really smart
because it means that you get to expose all of that damage to your defensive CDs, right?
To your Spirit Link, to your Darkness, to your AMZ, which is now in the comp,
It hasn't been on some of the bosses, but those sorts of effects, plus personals, and
that means that it's the same total damage, right?
Whether you do 1111111 or 15, you're getting the same total amount of damage, but by doing
it the echo way, you get to apply your defenses, which can only be up for a short amount
of time, to the most, the biggest chunks of damage.
And you don't really need them for anything else in that phase, so a much better way
of handling it than trying anything else.
So definitely a very clever strategy.
phase two and then you get back, you get a little burn, you get the intermission.
Oh well, you didn't mention the four doom scales that you have to cleave down.
Yeah, yeah, well those are easy. You know, just, you know.
They'd also have like a hundred million HP each.
Yeah, just toss the egg, toss the egg in the cauldron, cleave down the doom scales,
bring them over, you know, stack them up, have your blood decays
bathe in some frontals, but they don't mind that.
How do you see what the strategy is there?
They're blood decays.
Because there's a world where people are like,
okay, we want to actually keep these alive during the heart for funnel,
but then they're also doing frontals at the same time,
So your tanks are going to have to position a way that the frontals are pointing away from the raid right while still having
Yeah, yeah, it is it's not trivial
I do think you have to not expend any cooldowns on them
So the way those work is if you can kill them early the boss will emerge early
That's a great strategy on heroic and normal once you start having extra damage
And you're just like okay
Let's just kill these early and then we can just hit the boss for free for a while
My assumption on mythic is you're never realistically going to be able to get that to happen
So yeah, you should probably just spend no cooldowns on them and then cleave them down with that heart during the rage of the shackled
Cast and hope they die for free there and have your tanks, you know, figure it out
They have got kick assignments figured out pretty nicely within add-on that tells them which boss frame to focus so they can all lend their kicks on it
Which is
Surprising to me as I was under the impression that add-ons had been removed
It's probably hard-coded. It wouldn't be computational or anything.
Well, it is computational because it changes which boss-grain they're told based on which one spawn where.
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We've seen ready checks go out.
We've seen some Vantus runes deployed, hopefully on every single member of the raid.
I like the sound of that.
Something else we're going to see for the first time here, Drannos, once we actually
get a pull of the boss is what the guild's item level is.
Yes, don't worry.
I'm primed to report on that.
He's got his hover over the refresh button.
I will say, I think Splat is going to be one of the lowest item levels in the guild
because this is a last second re-roll.
No, it's just the nature of the game.
I know.
This is a re-roll.
Yeah.
So sometimes the re-roll, like he was already a re-roll last week.
So sometimes the Reroll actually gets to accelerate more than some of the other characters, because
you know, if you think about it like what's the best way to have the strongest week 3 character?
It's kind of to hold some week 1 and 2 resources, right?
And sometimes you get to be greedy by accident when you are a last second swap in, which
Splats Moonkin certainly was.
So last week it was 319.6, it was tied for 3rd lowest I level with KSP.
And then Rhinestor was the caboose there at 319.
I will say I saw him open his character panel earlier, he's 324.75 now.
Yep.
And if that's the low ends, we're going to have a good other side of the way.
I bet he's slingshot it over people, I bet he's a...
We had a lot of people at 325 last week.
We have, yeah, we've, well, we'll see how the games have gone.
Echo are now at about 326 I level across their guild, but I don't think they have
a myth of the mists.
Yeah, I don't think they have Jesus himself in there really.
Yeah, we have a Hulk, wall life there.
332.
Dude.
Disgusting.
I heard somebody mention Nick also.
Did he catch up?
Yeah.
As well?
What's he got?
Nick has been high eye level the whole time.
He was already the fourth highest eye level last week.
And yeah, this week, he's probably gained some.
We'll have to see exactly how much when they pull the boss.
And the old radar eye update comes through.
Because yeah, at this point, every single resource
should basically be spent.
The only thing that wouldn't be is if there's somebody
who's still missing crest, maybe they weren't in
on some Reclear, and they've got AFK some keys
during lunch or something, and get their remain
in crest that way.
But I think for the most part,
yesterday should have had all of these characters
acquire all of the resources that they need
to be full power level.
It's kind of nice at this point,
because even last week, and especially the week before,
there's so much ambiguity about,
what are we gearing for, right?
Are we gearing to be strong for Coiled Altar?
Are we gearing to be strong for Ultec?
Are we gearing for a kill this week?
Are we gearing for a kill next week?
Now all of that uncertainty is removed, right?
You know, this is the week.
Yeah.
Ultec either dies this week or we are in some bizarre land, right?
Some strange, absolutely unprecedented landscape.
No boss has survived the onslaught of Raced World 1st Guilds for a full reset before.
ULTEC, you know, a strong contender, but I suspect it won't die there.
I mean, like I was talking about, Echo looks like their burst to damage in Phase 1 is enough to potentially kill the fight.
The numbers seem possible asterisk, where the hard part is like, yeah, you can kill the adds, yeah, you can do the boss damage.
Is it possible to do both in the same pull, which is required to kill the boss?
That's the part that I'm I remain skeptical of but I think you know that's the sort of thing that you don't you don't want to say it
Can't be done until a lot of good-looking attempts have gone at it, right?
You remember back to like Razageth the second phase that one looked impossible
And then we needed to see a couple of like otherwise perfect bowls that just were nowhere close to beating that phase
And then you're like, okay. Yeah, this is impossible and then I got nerfed by 50%
You want to know how impossible they thought that fight was yeah, they were they were looking to stack arcade mage is
So bad that during that tier that preheat and I were casting yeah, they came to both of us and they're like hey
Do you want to come play on this light?
Ironically, I'm like other team because they need all the burst damage to beat the shields
They could fortunately the shields got there for 50% and we didn't have to do that
Were you ready? No, I don't think I was going to oh
I didn't I didn't want you're gonna answer the call
Imagine imagine if we just dropped two casters from the from the they would have made you you guys like miserable
Oh dude, but it would have been incredible lore.
That would have been a crazy story, yeah.
You gotta do it for the plot.
I would have supported you.
I didn't know this was happening.
I would have been rooting for you guys.
Nah, nah, it wouldn't be good for you guys.
Also, it ended up not being needed
because they nerfed the shields.
But that's why I guess they were to break those shields.
That's why they had to get nerfed by 50%
and the ad phase had to get nerfed by 50% as well.
Yeah, that was a brutal encounter.
That is a good point.
Echo is down to four casters, that sounds.
Yeah.
They're doing, I think they're doing two casters shifts,
but those are, I think also.
They were already doing pretty difficult over there. That's their normal. That's their normal schedule. Okay, so they're doing longer to cast their ship
Who's still there? It's preach Cruella, okay, Rage, and Cameron. Just those four holding it down. Yeah, you know what, shout out to those guys
because I know that we've been struggling here
Casting up over all of the splits and stuff and they've been doing pretty much the same amount and that is that is no easy task
when there are only two of you so yeah, show some love to those guys because I'm sure they're working really hard over there as well
a little parched this morning. Oh you are. Let's hear it. My fingernails can't get under. Oh you
need some assistance? I can do that. Oh you got it? I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it.
I can do this. Oh thank you. There you go. They go. Oh that had a nice smell of that one.
Yeah I've got this one. No I haven't had that one. This one is really good. It's the Orange
Dreams Monster. Orange Dreams Monster is the monster reserve. It tastes like ice cream.
It's like the Federal Reserve. It's like we store these up to have our country's
like GDP value in some kind of physical object all in that bottle right yeah well it's in
not just that one bottle but several bottles of the monsters are dispersed yeah okay okay okay
you should try that one i will do it i i it's very hard to sway me from the the old monster
zero ultra those are the classic you know every morning first global go for one of those but uh
man i want to do you want to try that one now i have to get that one to try next uh next m
Wow, we are 30 minutes into our pre-pull meeting here, but we have seen some ready checks.
We've seen some characters advancing forward.
Another ready check.
That's the ready check for the next ready check.
We've got the gateway place.
We've got the circle place.
We've got a couple people running and jumping around.
We had a delicious breakfast also, so that should add a little pep in their step.
Yeah, the breakfast burritos today.
things were hot they were they were wrapped in foil and when I picked it up I
was like oh man I need to set that that's way too hot but it was like the
perfect temperature inside that's the that's the challenge right it's the
Joe special yes those are really good yeah the baking was crispy dude yeah juicy
I prefer I prefer it to be a little little soft I think I think it got the
right ratio though speaking of trying things tada thank you I wanted to do a
We're going to do a live taste test of the Orange Dream Stichel.
Let's see, what do you think?
Let's see, hang on, let me crack open this one.
Yep.
All right, a little sip.
All right, here we go, a little sip.
Yep, yep, yep.
Oh, wow.
Good?
That is nice.
Yeah, it's good.
Nice.
That's like dessert in a can.
It really is.
It's a good way to put it.
Oh, my goodness.
This could be a whole series for Monster Hunter.
They can have like a birthday cake one.
You've unlocked something in Dreadnought.
That is nice.
I've never seen that reaction.
That is nice.
Wait, so where do you rate it with the Ultra White?
Well, I mean, you can't dethrone the King that easily.
OK.
OK.
I'm close second.
I'm going to add this one to the rotation, yeah.
I feel like also this one for me
would be less of a 10 AM monster.
I think that's more of a 4 PM kind of monster.
Yeah.
I feel like that would be good if you poured it over ice
cream.
Oh, that would be really good.
Little ice cream flow.
Goodness gracious.
That would make it.
Yeah, we're gonna try one of those.
Yeah, do we have any vanilla ice cream?
A little.
I think Hula bought a bunch this week.
I don't know if it's still in there or not.
I think that would go crazy.
Yeah.
A birthday series, you know?
Like, or not birthday, like a sweet series of monster
energies.
We can have the Orange Dream School.
They gotta get a chocolate monster somehow.
Chocolate monster?
Are there chocolate sodas?
There's a loco moco.
Not moca, not moca.
Chocolate.
Chocolate.
Chocolate coffee monster.
No, no, no, no.
Not moca.
I'm not a fan of the coffee taste.
What's going on?
Somebody said, uh, wow head.
Check us out.
Something happened.
Pause champ.
Pause, pause, pause, pause.
Hold.
Hold.
Let's see what we got here.
Hold.
Phase two nerfed on Mythic Gold Attack.
Oh my gosh.
What have we got?
All right.
Wow.
Oh my goodness.
I think that's why they're waiting.
Okay.
Wait.
Uh, so the Blight Vein damage has been re- so they've nerfed the damage of Blight
vein, which should make it easier to do the pops by 25.7 percent.
Those are the tethers?
Yeah, these are the tether pops. By the way, if you're wondering,
liquid just pulled and wiped and reset, so we're not missing anything here.
Light vein, yeah, 25.7 percent. And sole constrictor is being nerfed. So this is
actually not P2. This is an intermission nerf to the ability to soak multiple spectral coils.
So I think with this, you could actually do two groups instead of
of needing to do three, which you currently do,
because six seconds is a little bit too short
to be able to get one, I think you can get one and three,
but then you can't get five with a six second duration,
but now you could get one, three, five, seven,
and another group could get two, four, six, eight,
whereas previously, Liquid had to do one, four, seven,
and another group could do two, five, eight,
and another group could do three and six,
so they might adjust that,
or they might play the same strategy there
as well.
You can check the Gilletta level now they pulled the boss.
All right, let's let me see that too.
So the item level of Team Liquid is now 326.07.
For the first time this year, we
are in the lead on item level.
All of last week, we were trailing both Echo End
for a while method as well.
Now 326.07, carried by Wall-Life at 331.7, sickening high level.
An unbelievable greed.
I can see, you can see what they're doing the RETCH strategy here, where they're not actually trying to focus it down.
They're just cleaving it down with the, uh, the rattle.
And then we'll probably pull to the boss and leave it down afterwards.
So we're going for more boss damage here, and we'll probably see that lust come out of about the 150 mark
Probably gonna be going for that strategy notably those nerf strat knows they don't affect the health values
Which are the things that I was thinking would be the gate there
But you know reducing the healing does help with that a little bit. We have had a death here
while I've down
Carry down! We got a little more gear! Come on!
Now, boom me down as well. Okay. Well, he can die. They probably need to figure out when this
wretch actually needs to die. Maybe, yeah. So it does enrage after a certain point. You can
see that red eye. If you look in the boss frame over on the right hand side of the screen,
next to that wretch, there's that red icon. It's being obscured now as he mouses over
these damage meters, but it's under where those breakdowns were. Okay, now you can see it
get a little bit in THD's UI.
It's a top middle right issue of the screen.
There's a sort of a red globe icon
that will show up next to the wretch on the boss frames
when they do enrage.
I think for the wretches, it's like 25 or 30 seconds
after they hatch, they will enrage.
And that does beat up your tank.
And it also means that every bubble beyond the first,
everybody needs to get in or else they will get one shot.
So that may have been the cause of death.
I think it might have just been waves though that time.
could be listening the warlock a little like ritual here under the middle of the
portal or the left of the gate right in the back drop health stones so sort of
healer yeah seven a pet do it all this is good tech as well getting that gate
or getting the health stones on the back so that they don't obscure all the
other green mechanics if you put them on the middle of the platform which
they absolutely do and we're expecting to see a few wipes in P1 to
relearning this register yeah you're trying to get boss damage trying to
make sure you you have to stack inside that bubble then go into your
course, which they actually did well that pull. I don't think they spawned any
vipers there, so doing alright on the first pull, but probably going to be
similar to that.
How often were they spawning that extra ad, would you say, like yesterday?
The extra vipers? Well they didn't do the pulls yesterday, but on Monday,
vipers happened a lot. It was one of the things that was wiping them and
making their phase one consistency pretty rough. People were just not
while they're going to hit by waves,
they're running into each other with heads.
It was a lot.
There was a lot going wrong on Monday for sure.
They weren't pulling this at all yesterday?
No, yesterday they didn't pull this plus a single time.
What did they do?
They finished their splits.
So yeah.
I thought they were done when I left.
I thought that was the end of it.
Up through lunch it was a re-clear,
you know, a couple of heroics.
Then we had heroic Google attacks after lunch.
Then we had Mythic Coiled Alter,
reprogression, and then we had Mythic Namrissa's,
and that was that time.
Yeah, so I was done at, I watched them re-pull
Quail Dalter and I was under the impression.
So you were done at 10?
Yeah.
And then I'll be honest, I was feeling real doppy,
so I'm turning the broadcast.
Normally I will go home and I will watch it in bed,
but last night I was like,
I'm just gonna do the girl take talk,
I need to put, my brain needs to be elsewhere,
so I did not watch last night.
Choosing to do the girl for mental health.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
It would be fair to say that the vibes
were definitely down yesterday.
Not only because of the Coiled Altar Rekill, doing relatively poorly by the guild standards.
Usually like we've been talking about, a Reclear has been one of the guild strengths many times over the past couple of expansions now.
But also, they did like five or six Mythic Numerousa splits looking for two particular things.
They wanted jewelry, and they wanted trinkets, and they got none of them.
And their vertical attacks yielded, I think, one useful necklace.
There was two of the drop-putters in the same split, and there was only one meter in that split, so...
...a tragedy on the Reclare.
The Mythic Reclare loot was good.
The tiny little upgrades that they could have gotten from the rest of their splits were just...
...almost useless.
So it almost feels like you wasted hours yesterday.
Which, obviously, you didn't. You had to do the splits anyways to try to get that extra bit of loot,
Because if you didn't do it, you'd always be thinking, what if we got all these upgrades?
What if we could have gotten a little stronger?
You have to do it.
But it doesn't make you feel any better about the day knowing we did all that and didn't give you the upgrades.
Here's that strategy again, those stacking inside of the wretch bubble, then going into our coil slam.
You do lose Malarkas, unfortunately, there.
As long as we didn't spawn a Viper, I think we're gonna be okay.
And I'm not seeing any of those absorb shield slams going on in the group.
So it looks like at least we got rid of all of the eggs well here.
The question now, when does this wretch need to die?
Do you think they just try to kill it off before the next one?
No, they're doing the Echo strat of allowing this, they're going to take it up to this corner
and it is enraged now as well so that everybody will need to get into this bubble that it creates soon.
Okay, got dodge waves at the same time.
And you can see it's also a faster cast when it is enraged.
And now hopefully it will die before the next bubble because the new Wretch is now spotting.
is now spotting. But yeah, this is the way that Echo, we're doing this, the tank also
getting beaten up
that is handling that wretch.
But it is gonna go down before its next bubble cast.
And now we've got a new wretch to contend with.
Meanwhile, Goop, having the time of his life here, everybody's like,
everybody else is like, oh yeah, okay, we'll take damage off these eggs and put it onto the boss and Goop's like,
don't mind if I do!
Let me just do 730k.
Now this wretch shield is also a little bit easier because you collect your eggs
after this one rather than before.
He's needed to find now, waves are coming up,
they need to break up that last one,
we're gonna have to viper gas, we're gonna get a viper.
That's vipering up for sure.
Yep, there it is.
And that's not great, but it was almost dead,
and their damage on boss is looking a lot better, of course,
with this strategy than when they were focusing
on those wretches more.
They are gonna continue this pull,
but I don't think for much longer,
as we are losing now, Nick, fired up Scott,
yeah it's over, this one is, this one's toast.
Okay, but that was pretty much all of the one and it was really only them being able to break that last egg out
That really caused everything to spiral up spiral out of control. So it's the rage. Honestly
Not too bad. They handled not bad
So you guys are trying about vibes just a moment ago. Can I just read out some of Max's tweets this race? Yeah
Okay, let me see here
Let me just scroll to the first one if they do random make the fourth boss impossible a bit like six and four
River. I will be leaving this earth. Okay, yeah, well, because
Vashnik is not a, I mean, that's, that's warming us up. That's
like a pre tier joke tweet. Almost. It is. No, it's a good
one, but, but they, they get worse. I just wanted to, you
know, start us off with that one. Absolute disaster class of
bugs and lag. Never seen anything like this in splits.
Yep. They wanted to a splitsmer brutal. I'm becoming
radicalized, man. I'm going to be the average wild head
commenter by the end of today. Yeah. It's a good
They added the mythic Vashnik Red Circle Volta Heroic on accident now. Good luck.
That was also, again, that just true.
I feel like every raid I'm saying this is the best raid in a while, or the best boss, because of recency bias.
I have not felt that once this year this raid on mythic is the most mid thing in years on a single banger boss period.
Yeah, that was last night. That's pretty brutal.
pretty brutal so and then this morning splitting lanes and traffic on a motorcycle has to be the
most euphoric feeling. I don't want to question his mental state right though but that one
that is like mega california vibe so probably sitting in traffic on one of the highways and
rush hour in the morning walking these happy little motorcycles with weed in and out of
traffic not a care in the world it's like man i want to get there on a pull the boss but
traffic why we're not on a motorcycle they just made that legal where I'm from
and it's it's interesting seeing people just do it that would scare me if I was
a motorcyclist but anyways what we're gonna say dr. knows no no I I agree
yes definitely I wouldn't want to be on the motorcycle myself either but oh no
no I do envy them when they're given to their destination yeah we have the
bosses this tier I I like the coil altar mythic experience so far I'm doing
kind of gives the job on it you can you can see your guilds on the top yeah in the
in the top 10 not bad but I think most the other boss you know what I like to
twin fangs as well I'm gonna say it I think that boss is pretty fun I think
I'm not looking forward to a little tech I will admit this one is I think by the
time you get there it'll probably be nerfed well I think we're getting there
there's reason yeah again I guess it might get in mid reset nerf again it
wouldn't surprise me because what do you think you're gonna kill well this week
Thursday Friday ideally I've been pretty happy with Friday yeah good outcome
you think the free blizzcon clears the still the dream I think the free blizzcon
clear might be dead yeah I mean it's like it's not impossible but it's gonna
be very very hard I think my favorite post rating bit with you was when you
were with Echo Dratnos and you like you somehow had access to like the web
You think you're in a cozy little studio and then you zoom out and it's just you in the middle of a room
with nothing around you, just all in your lonesome.
This is like the, I think it was the Aberus race?
Yeah.
Sounds right.
Yeah.
And obviously everybody had flights for like a week and a half, two weeks in, and then the race was over less than a week in.
And my flight was the longest and the hardest one to re-book, right?
Because it's like all the way across the world, right?
Yeah.
I'm so they you know everybody else could get rebooked pretty easily, but I couldn't so I was just there for an extra couple days
They were like okay, we're gonna take down the set and everything we're gonna take everything down
But we will leave you a computer and yeah, here's a
URL if you want the security cam for the venue for your so funny
That's pretty sick. Yeah, well you're here for that Terry. You can just
Been home in like 45 minutes. There is some needle to yeah, it's nice to be able to get back in stuff
That's right. Yeah. Oh, wow. That's a wormhole. You ever moved to Singapore? Yeah, I did forget about that.
Yeah, yeah. What's your favorite Singaporean dish?
Uh...
You know, the regular ones?
Yeah.
Of course.
They're only just called them dishes.
They're just dishes. They're pride of Singapore, the regular dish.
They're really good at that, in particular.
Yeah, I love going to a hawker center and saying yes have your regular dish one regular dish, please one regular item from your menu, please
usual
Do you guys have any any places you can go and say the usual and they know what you want I
Have places that I can go and they'll ask me if I want what I normally order
And then I realized that I could never go to that place ever. Yeah, it's like I'm going here too much. They know me
Retreat back into obscurity. Do you have one dratnos? No
I change it up too often. I'll get hyperspeed, I'll move on to the next one.
This B1 has been phenomenal. The LUST also being sent here, so this is the LUST you used to kill this boss on Heroic, right?
255 actually a little bit later than the mythic cast sequence is slightly delayed from the heroic one
But the two-minute ish lust and then carrying it into that burn using those liquid luster pots as well
Preferentially for anybody that it's close so they because they haven't be fully stacked up
It's like they're gonna be molting the warden as well
One extra egg was still not able to be cracked there
But you can just toss it into the cauldron and bring it with you here
So we have one extra walling
And so we're molting the warden
bringing it over and molting again. Just spawning all the eggs. Spawning all the
eggs instead, yeah. Interesting, interesting. Now focusing down some of
these shields on those back eggs. Go pull here, oh unfortunately goop down. A lot of
the rest of the raid now in a lot of trouble as well. The damage on the
raid pretty intense here feels like something went wrong with the way this
yeah I'm not sure what it was but split up sides there potentially to do both
sets of that yeah it's like they were doing a sort of north hallway south
hallway split that differs from how they were talking it does yeah this is a
new way of handling the phase I haven't been watching enough of that go to
know if this is anything from them or if this is new for us.
So, I did watch a couple of polls from Echo this morning and it looks like they were just tackling the phase the same way that Liquid was doing at last.
Okay, so we might have some innovation here.
However, they were notoriously slow without last. They were like spawning the doom scale at like 90 air to the bottom.
So, the way that they, so when we talk about molting the warden, that's if you bring the warden over that line back towards the middle of the room, it will instantly cast Shadowmult and then teleport into the room.
and then teleport to the nearest egg and then activate that egg right and materialize it so that you can start damaging it and well
So that they can hatch into a rolling early
It's a good strategy to be able to get access to those eggs early
But it did seem like the second time they molted it it may be teleported to an unexpected egg because it it went to the
Other hallway than where they they may be wanted it like it
It sort of felt like they were trying to molt it again to the south and it the second molt actually went north
I'm not sure if that was intended though because they did end up seeming like they were able to split up
But man being split up at that time seems really sketchy because that's when you're getting those tether breaks
It feels like even if you do want to split up in that phase
You probably need to do it after you handle the five stack, you know tether break with all your healing CDs and raid CDs
So I think that was probably not how that was supposed to look but I could be wrong
They could be on some crazy innovation there in that phase. We'll have to see them get there again and really analyze it
If you ever wish you could just shadow molt back home. Oh, yeah
Yeah, if I ever crossed the threshold of like more than a mile away from home
It just took me back home and maybe a brought a tasty treat with me. Oh, it's a city treat
What kind of tasty treat?
One of these orange dream school monsters
About the taste for them now
Oh, yeah, sorry, what's your go-to case-to-treat?
Think about that. I don't
Know this good. I don't back home. I don't have any good boba boys. Really? Yeah, we don't have any here either
I'll stop you guys. Whoa
Okay
Yeah, yes, please I'd like some debris in my teeth
Okay, can I say something I like them? I just like the milk tea. I'm not that big of a fan of the actual boba
Interesting. Okay, I would just drink the tea. You can do that. Yeah
So I'm with you Dennis
I'm gonna have to see where your your actual area you must live in the burbs. I live way out
So like if you if you if anyone knows Dallas
Listen Dallas familiar with the city. Yeah, you know the one in Texas. Yeah
Yeah, that was where we did the races back up in Frisco. Yeah. Oh god
So I'm way out east if you look at if you look at Dallas proper. There's a big old lake off to the right
Yeah, it's like lick Ray Hubbard. Yeah, I live across the lake
I live in a city called Rockwall, which is which way it's like probably 35 minutes from the city. Okay, so yeah, it's way on the burbs
Did you live there when we were back when we were doing the race in Frisco? No, no, I moved there like right after, okay?
Actually, no, I went to one. I went to one race there living there. I drove there
that was the last one people are saying you don't have an accent most people in
major cities in Texas don't really have you gotta go out rural yeah you gotta be
in rural Texas for sure I don't think I've heard you say y'all before gotta
go out to all whales and say it but it's not like a twice like how you'll do
yeah how y'all they win it's a good work I use that and that is not a
that is not a natural thing for where I'm from it's just a convenient word
I would say I have more like mid-western tendencies than the Texan tendencies.
Okay, do you ever throw in an OOP?
Oh yeah, squeeze by someone, OOP, sorry, OOP, squeeze right by you there bud.
That's a good, great word.
I have a couple of two tree monsters today.
Oh yeah, they're... good.
My family is from Michigan, from Michiganders.
Okay.
So if you look at the hand, they live like right here.
Okay.
It's like right below the pointer for chat for people from the Michiganders who know
That's a real real convenient way to be able to point where things are yeah into your state
Do you do that often in that state only if you're a troll if you're if you're if you're from the uber
They don't really mess with you. Oh, yeah, they're okay. There's not one part in Michigan. That's like connected to Canada
The choice very close, huh the choice very close. I think it's the tree. Yeah, pretty sure. Oh the top of the top part
It's like it's like I don't know how to explain like it's it's only connected to Canada
But it's a part of America and if you want to go anywhere else in America you have to go back into Canada
Yeah, or like take a boat
Have you not heard of this hmm
I went through a whole deep dive on them because if kids that go to school have to take a boat for like like a ferry
Oh, that's in Minnesota. Okay. I'm sorry Minnesota my bad
close
Yeah, okay. Yeah, there's a little bit of the top of Minnesota that is like an enclave. Oh, yeah, yeah, I see you. Yeah, yeah
North East angle, yeah, that sounds right angle in the yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
Little bit of there. It's a stable or probably not probably not too many. Yeah, but it's like really tough if you're a school-aged kid
I can imagine have you take if you guys take in this
There's a test that you can take online that'll tell you where you're from based off of your
first name.
Oh yeah, that's a good one.
How do you pronounce this word?
And then it gives you some things that might rhyme with it and you click the one that does
and then it always is like, and you live within three blocks of this location.
I think it's called use y'alls and something.
Hold on.
I've done this a couple times because I was curious about it.
some things that like I don't have words for. So like for example if you are on the corner of an
intersection what do you call the corner that is diagonally across from you? Kitty corner? I see I
don't have a word for it. But a lot of people say kitty corner, catty corner, something like that.
I also have no word for that. I'm gonna take it and then we'll pass along the laptop. Okay how
would you address a group of two or more people? So I would say you guys naturally.
I think so as well. Yeah, how do you pronounce the second syllable of pajamas pajamas jam
Jamma you say pajamas could be pajamas pajamas pajamas. Do you pronounce caught and caught the same? Yep? You just did you just did? Yeah
What do you call the long sandwich that contains cold cuts lettuce and so on just like a subway sandwich
Call it grinder some people would call it a
There's a lot of different words for that action. I don't really have a word for that
What would you call that?
I think a sub, yeah.
A long sandwich.
I call it a subway sail.
A hero, a hoagie.
Maybe a sub?
I don't know.
Do you have to type your answer or is it a multiple choice?
It's a multiple choice.
That one has a lot of answers.
I remember that one.
What would you call a sail of unwanted items on your porch in your yard?
A yard sail, yeah.
But see, there's some really interesting ones on there because there's like stoop sail.
Yeah, there's carport sail.
Carport sail, yard sail, garage sail.
Crazy.
What do you call a small freshwater lobster often found in lakes and streams crawdad crawdad
That's a crawfish for me. Oh, that is great great great great great
All right. What do you call a big road on which you drive relatively fast?
There's a distinction now. There's a there's a distinction
There's not can be a highway or a freeway. There's two two different ones. What is the difference one of them is bigger
I'm from I'm telling you
I'm pretty sure I was saying you're sad.
These are things.
All right.
Kitty corner.
I saw the Kitty corner one.
What do you call the large wildcat native to the American?
American.
Mountain lion.
What do you call it?
Yeah, mountain lion.
I think cougar.
Cougar?
Yeah.
They call it traffic jam caused by drivers slowing down and look at an accident
or other diversion.
Those are rubber.
Rubber necking.
Yeah.
Rubber necking.
Yeah.
Okay.
There's.
What?
Neck rubber necking or rubber necking is the activity that causes the traffic jam, but I have no work for the time
Yeah, that's I would say that I'd say
And the jam is yeah, you know, oh this is a traffic jam burning hot where I'm from. Okay
You call the sweet spread that is put on cake frosting or icing crossing
I feel like I think it's more like what's on like a cinnamon roll or something. How do you felt crayon?
Is it crayon or crayon crayon?
That's the two different connections.
With one syllable runs with man.
That's close to what you did.
Yeah. How do you pronounce the first syllable lawyer?
Rhymes with...
Wait. Rhymes with lawyer? Rhymes with flaw.
Lawyer?
Yeah, you did lawyer.
You know what you think about it too hard?
Yeah, you...
This is so long. Okay, I'm just going to like burn it.
Yeah.
What do you call the thing from which you might drink water in school?
Bargain.
Bubbler?
Bubbler's common.
Bubbler's common.
That sounds old and heck.
What do you call the rubber-soled shoes worn in gym class tennis shoes?
Tennis shoes, yeah.
Other people say sneakers.
No.
Gym shoes.
There's a lot of different things people call them.
What do you call the small-grade bug that curls up into a ball when it's touched?
Rollie-poly.
A pillbug?
Rollie-poly.
A pillbug?
Rollie-poly.
How do you pronounce bin?
Bin.
Like I've been there.
Not bin.
Sit, bin, sit, bin.
We got another burn here, good P1 push.
Let's see how low we can get the boss.
66% was the last push.
We expect that they'll probably get it a little lower once they get more familiar with the pace.
Yeah, I think the kill range, you're probably looking for sub 60.
At least if you want to be on a heroic kill pace, which I assume is roughly going to be mythic kill pace as well
as well because it seems like it's a similar cast sequence. So let's see how
low they're able to get the boss on this one. Venomous heart exposed for six more
seconds. Looks like we're gonna be able to get it down sub 66 at least. Yeah it's a
little better. 60% probably yeah. Not bad. A little better. We'll attack some
merges. Rogue's climbing there. A lot. Yeah, Rogue's absolutely looking great at that part.
I like this composition a lot.
Moulting the warden.
So let's see how they do this. So the warden is instantly molted
over to this north hallway here on Hope's little side.
Let's see if they're gonna go, yeah, they are gonna go for the remult.
So Yip's taking it once again
to that corner. And let's see where it goes.
Okay, yeah, it does molt again north. So they do want it to molt the same side twice.
I've got another egg activated here. Hopeful is now one of the tethers.
Let's see how they do these breaks.
Looks like they're getting ready for it.
He is going to do break number one,
and now they're waiting,
healing through the one stack.
Everybody else is extending their tether,
and here comes a five stack.
Inside the AMZ, inside the darkness,
we've got the dream breaths flying as well.
This is the damage check,
or the damage instance that was nerfed as well.
Just now, a couple of minutes ago,
we had a 25% nerf to the damage of that break.
So a 5-stack is effectively a 4-stack now, much more survivable.
Wow, time.
Man, on the damage amp, you cleared one side on this side.
This is a good side, though. This is the side that was faster last week.
But this means that the warden is already dead,
so now the other side is just going to have a little bit of egg damage to do.
Nick, unfortunately, goes down. There is a battle that is available for him,
expended now to bring him back up.
A new res will be ready in 10 seconds as well.
On this side, the damage check.
So we're looking at that cast bar on those boss frames to pick up that back egg back eggs need to be picked up now
Which means now we need to break these eggs here
These ideally should already be dead. That's the thing we'd like to have happen is we want these to have been broken in time
To then pick up that back egg. Unfortunately. We do have a doom scale hatching
The the real way not by tossing it in the cauldron. So that is gonna be a wipe here
The phase looks good though. That was promising. It's just wow. What a brutal phase in terms of the damage tuning
Not not the incoming damage, but the amount of damage we have to do to actually get through that phase
I mean that looks close to perfect. They molded the warden extra times as well to activate additional eggs and even still
Not actually that close to being able to make the check to beat those last eggs
I mean they were just swapping onto them as they would have needed to get them down
And this is what Echo's been having an issue with for the past couple hours.
The damage check in this phase without the lust has been incredibly difficult for them to get through.
It is a lot of damage to do in a very short window.
Everything kind of cascades into itself.
Killing the warden faster, killing the eggs faster, let's go to the other side faster.
And you can see Shukih was actually holding the egg there waiting to move until the gestate started so that he didn't just spawn on each of my acres.
So like, that could have been pretty nasty for them to deal with.
But, again, more damage, more consistency, keep getting back there, getting through phase
one with a good push, would be pretty happy.
How'd you do, Aya?
It got the region.
Yeah?
Yeah.
Nailed it?
I don't know if it nailed it.
It kind of just gave like a red blob in like kind of the southwest.
Okay.
You want to take it?
I've taken it a couple times already.
Yeah?
Does it get it right?
It's pretty accurate for me.
The thing that's interesting about it is it tries to like, it tries to zone in
on your location and it gives you region-specific questions.
Oh, it does!
So, like, there's a Texas-specific question that I asked.
Oh, okay, so it has like a tree, it's not the same point of question for everybody.
It's like, as you pick some of those, I imagine those like 20 answer questions early help
it kind of narrow down where to ask you later.
That's cool.
I would have thought living in the Midwest would have muddled it up for a little bit,
but it didn't.
So, like, for example, in Texas, I don't, you guys have both put the Texas couple
times.
Yeah.
Every single highway has roads along the side of it. Yeah, right?
It's not like that everywhere on the US obviously people have different highway systems
But in Texas literally every single highway will have a road on the outside of it for access to the highway and then access to the buildings around it
Based on which city you're in they're called something different really Houston. They're called Peter roads in Dallas. They're called frontage roads
I would have frontage roads in Austin. They're called service roads. That's so interesting
I don't think there's any Colorado specific terms I don't think so. I think we share a lot of dialect with New Mexico and Utah
Maybe I'm off to the Dallas backwards, but yeah
I mean like you know they kind of like talk like this brother like oh dude I'm gonna go up to the ski resort, bro
I'm gonna like shred some sick pout it get some turns in bro chat wants to take the quiz can you link it link it in Jeff
Oh, yes. Yes. Yes, I can
All right, I found a
Let's see
I'm not saying anything that sounds particularly it's I'm just seeing like combinations of word
Combination yeah, okay for Denver specific specific they've been rocking Rocky Mountain oysters. That's true. Yeah, we got those
Yeah, I would I think the only thing
The only thing that is specifically Colorado is we say Colorado
Colorado rather and I think literally the rest of the country says Colorado. That's funny. It's like it's like
Nevada and they versus Nevada. They got mad at you if you do the wrong one of those. We're really
proud of the fact that we just completely butcher native words like
We have a town called
One of Easter, but you're supposed to save you the Vista. Otherwise, you're a disgusting transplant
You don't belong. Yeah
That's crazy. Yep
Trying to think of it. There's anything
Crazy weird about where I live that I could think of
Or I grew up anyways. Yeah, I mean where I where I grew up. Nobody has an accent
Yeah, everybody talks normal where I came from and everything else
So that's the distinctive thing about about me chat saying you say TV
I feel like the only people to say baby and the people that live in
Univista or near it, but the rest you know the Denver rights
Univista wait, what else what other ones did you get any? No, I couldn't find anything that seemed like it
We're not special for pretty unique. Yeah, yeah
When I so I live in Ohio for I know you guys know this but for chat when I lived in Ohio
for like four years they have a lot of like I feel like this is probably
everywhere in America like indigenous like road names and town names those
ones are tough yeah but first since there's this um there's this one known
street up in in New York City that's called Houston Street but they don't
know it mm-hmm they call like Houston Street I don't know what's wrong with
them who does there's a street in New York that's called Houston Street and
get mad at you if you say if you say Houston Jesus house stupid yep that's
so no huh north and south of house is that what so who means yeah huh what
south of Houston Street oh so it's so interesting I'm learning things I guess
that's because in San Francisco we have so much which is south of market so okay
make sense what are some same Francisco isms about earth quake it's the big
ones coming yeah for it
I have some Houston isms at storms not that bad I'll wait it out oh oh yeah
because I don't get it just nobody nobody cares about hurricanes in Houston
That seems dangerous.
Yeah, it is.
I just like everyone to know that everybody in Colorado
takes forward fire very seriously.
We don't say that.
Those are our version of hurricanes.
Chad has identified Hela as a Bay Area-ism.
Oh, it's Bay Area.
Is it still?
I use that still, yeah.
OK, because I knew Colorado went through that phase,
but that was a long time ago.
Production suggesting Hyphy.
Hyphy was never part of my life's gone,
but I have heard it before.
The new San Francisco stuff is just
People being like, oh, what are you building?
I'm a founder.
I just, ah, that's the meta conversation there now.
People in chatter saying Ohio has Skyline, Chile,
but that's an atrocity.
No one likes that, really.
We'll talk about that.
We hope to talk about that.
I have a chat message here.
What did you take on this one, Zyro?
Those are just deleted phase two with that nerf.
Dot, dot, dot.
Hm.
Uh.
Uh.
Lamao?
I think phase 2 might still need another nerf before it's skillful.
I'm not confident, but they nerfed some of the incoming damage of phase 2, but they have
not nerfed the amount of damage we have to do to get through that phase, which I thought
was going to be the wall of that phase.
So we'll have to see still.
There is a Viper spawn, so I'm not sure we will see on this pull.
You can see an Angel form activated, more starting to go down.
two tanks that as well is going to be very quickly over
i i had a i was in francisco isn't
i have a i start up yet
guys i think it's agentic yes
efficiency streamline
jiva have skyline chilly when you were in ohio
no i just like making fun of them and saying it's bad because it makes them
really upset
Yeah, it's very they're upset now. It's very it's very polarizing for people who don't know what skyline chili is
It's like a very Ohio based chain. Oh, okay
That is it's a few it's very few select ingredients. It's spaghetti with chili and cheese
They also have cinnamon in there, too. Oh
It probably is okay. I gotta try that in theory. It sounds great. I love cinnamon
I went to the original one in Cincinnati
And let me just describe the experience first of all absolutely crowded the building. I mean you could tell it was historic
I'm not gonna like dock points for that. There was cheese
All over the floor shredded cheese
everywhere
Tables were a mess
Vibes were weird. I order
their classic like spaghetti topped with
Skyline chili topped with shredded cheese. There was like water in the spaghetti. It was like watery still
It's like they didn't strain it pop properly noodles were undercooked chili was just like like I swear to God
I could have gotten better chili at Wendy's and then just like some packaged
Shredded cheese just sprinkled on top, and it was the most mid dish. I've ever had in my life
Yeah, and I was with like someone that
Lives there and she was so excited to show me. I felt so bad
So bad
It was fun though. It's funny go to the original original. I think it was like three of more. It was really late
Yeah, one of the meta dishes in the incentive is because the sourdough, sourdough very good
there.
I haven't heard of this.
Yeah, it's a big like sourdough bakery that I think started there.
Oh, that's cool.
Did you get your room started?
I love sourdough.
No, I'm not a bread guy.
I know there comes a point in every person's life where you had offered like the chance
to spec into a different obscure hobby and a lot of people do choose the bread
making but I would play Riftbound except I I don't like there's no like full
digital experience for it like right I would play so much Riftbound if there
was an actual client for it on the computer but it's only you can only
like play you know like a third-party right version online right and yeah I
I don't know I I would play it in person a little bit, but I I don't want to play it at all if I can't play it
Mostly at home. That makes sense. You can't like yeah
Can't play test on a yeah, I mean you could like I don't know I see be as the Europeans say I see be a
With that I see be a bro. They trolling or
Can I a friend Ohio for a second? Let's hear it. Okay, so they've got this chain called BB ball
Have you guys ever heard of this? No
It is
What is it? Let me tell you it is like fat. It's like Chipotle, but it's like Korean Chipotle
So good if you guys ever go to Ohio find a baby, but I think they're spreading. I think they're everywhere
I think there's even one in LA. It's like it's first of all insane value for your buck
Just a massive bowl of rice and like really fresh
ingredients
It's so good. Yeah, I would do the soup once actually
Yeah, there was one in the East End Mall, I think.
Yeah, really good.
It was good.
I wish I had that down in Dallas.
God, I know.
Let's see.
Colorado food, I don't know.
We've got bojos, you guys want to have bojos?
It's a famous pizza place.
It's kind of touristy, but it's really good.
And they started the culture of Colorado
and dipping their pizza crust into honey.
Honey, oh, it's so great. It's so I'm sure it's great
Ranch but if you so if you eat the pizza you save the crust and then you dip the crust in honey, it's like a little dessert
Little built-in dessert. That's fair. Yeah, but you people do it with every every
Frost to the chain again somebody in chat missed it bojos
Wow, oh like oh like the name like I see I
I that's one of the ones where I think you got it you got a
Clever friend is probably a bit because I guess like the oj. I don't know why I would every time I bring this up
People think I'm insane. It's bread and honey. I don't know how that's like controversial
It's literally like a soap of Pia. Do you have a favorite type of pizza? I have cheese. Oh, no
I mean like style of pizza
Like just regular bojo style thick thick cut like New York style pizza. No, no, no
Isn't New York really good?
Thick crust though.
Yes, really thick crust.
Thin crust, thin pizza.
The breadier the better.
Okay.
Yeah.
Because I like to dip my crust on it.
I had a place that makes New Haven style pizza open up for me.
I saw a set of pictures of different styles of pizza and there was like a Detroit style
and Chicago and New York of course.
And then there was this one that looked like it was just like a melted slice of
of American cheese like microwaved on top.
And apparently there's just like some city in the Midwest
that just like does this.
Oh my goodness, that moved from hopeful.
We're gonna need a replay on that one afterwards.
I actually, I think that that's a,
there's outplay to the Vipers on that.
So, okay, I didn't know this was possible,
but you know how the Vipers,
when they dive bomb somebody
and hit them with a healing absorb,
it looks like it's possible to time a blink
so that you can dodge it.
And I think that's what hopeful did.
That's interesting. So it like fixates?
Yes, like it's gonna dive on you, but there's a brief window where it is diving that is locked in its location.
Interesting.
And you can blink out of it, which I did not know you could do that, but it's a possible way to recover a pull with a Viper.
Of course, not this bolt, the Viper's.
It's one of those things where it's like it's a cool move that you only ever have to do if a Viper spawns, so it's kind of bad, but that was really cool.
I did not know you could do that.
It was a clean move and I think he was carrying an egg while he was doing it as well so
Dude
That's a scary time to hit the blink but
But it didn't matter
Yeah it didn't matter
Still a
But we saw you, we saw the aura
Have you guys ever had a Chicago style pizza?
Yeah
Which one? Because there's two
I don't know I went to some of the famous
There's a deep dish and then there's tavern pizza
Which is like really really thin thin crispy pizza
Okay it was thick and it had the sauce on top
That's deep dish
Okay yeah it was really good
I went to some famous place in Chicago
We waited in line forever for it here here here. Watch this so the dive bomb see that circle indicator on him that dive bomb was coming
And then he just blinked and then you see the vipers just behind him and nobody got the healing absorb
Well, here comes again, maybe even he's carrying the egg. He needs to not get on top of somebody else
He's getting targeted by the viper. He back steps a little bit aims this shot the viper starts its dive bomb and
He blinks out of it and it's now going behind him and he blinks into the coil spawns his rawling east
game or move there for sure that's a that was a heroic attempt to save a poll
somebody else messed up and spawned a viper and hopeful nearly I mean hopeful
did absolutely everything in his power to try and keep that pull alive
unfortunately still ended up being a white but that's a that's an A plus
performance on that pole from the young mage yeah deep dishes I enjoyed it
I think it's really good and I think I'll get it whenever I go to Chicago
Just because like I feel like it's something that you should get while you're there. I'm being told it's tourists love
Yeah, that's just I don't care. That's just some dude being edgy y'all are it's good y'all are negative
It is somebody wanted to come to my great state and try bojo's pizza. I would not shame you
I would say have fun go forth. Yeah, the original
It's pretty good. Bindaluma. That is a bit of your dinos open to all the big ones. They're all good
The thing about deep dish pizza is you're getting like a meal for the next three days. Yeah
I mean, it's not really pizza, right?
It's like soup contained within a bread bowl,
but on a kind of an industrial scale, right?
Like that's a, yeah, it's a casserole.
But someone was asking about New Haven pizza.
And I think this is something that New Haven's still pizza.
So it's a very crispy pizza done specifically
in like coal fired oven, if I'm not mistaken.
It's almost burnt, but not.
It's like, I see.
It's got the like crispy, like charred blackened bits
on the crust. Yeah, I like that. It's really, really good. That sounds just like kind of like
like Italian, like Norfolk, you know, OG pizza. I do like a wood-fired pizza where you get like the
doughy, you know, like soft crust. Yeah, that is good. New Haven is like that, but crispy.
I wonder what the closest style of American pizza is to like Italian pizza, to like the OG pizza.
And you know where's Margarita?
Yeah, I get this.
It probably is like the wood-fired kind, right?
Yeah.
Because that's a...
It was back in Naples, right?
Where they came up with pizza before New York perfected it.
Oh yeah, we do have green chili in Colorado.
Oh, you guys ever had that?
Hatch chilies?
Yeah.
Well, it's made out of hatch green chilies,
But it's like a green chili sort of like gravy almost people like to smother burritos and stuff
So if you ever go to car or New Mexico, they have it too
There's like there's like a rivalry actually going on between New Mexico and Colorado on who actually invented it now
Nobody can tell me I'm wrong in this position. I have the microphone. It was Colorado. We did it for
triggering people probably
But yeah, if you ever go there man both of our viewers from New Mexico gonna be unhappy about that
I
Grimaldi's pizza and sugarland I grew up in sugarland. That's that's my spot. It's called sugarland
It's the name of the city. Yeah. Oh, that's a sweet name. Well, that's where Imperial sugar is from
It's like one of the biggest. I don't know what that is. It's one of the biggest sugar companies in the US
Okay, the original mill was there
That's fine. It's decent. I
Didn't actually go there that much I
I I prefer a Houston establishment called pepperonis, which is like New York style pizza. Oh my god
If they if they put those in Dallas, I would be so happy. That's so that pizza is so good
What's like a what do you feel like Texas is the best at like barbecue or Tex-Mex Tex-Mex and barbecue
Yeah, Texas barbecue is
It's something pretty special Texas barbecue
clears any other barbecue in the US and there's gonna be someone from like
like Tennessee or Kentucky, but if I drive a barbecue is the best. No. Uh-uh. No. Texas
brisket clears anything you got. Sorry, bud. We've got a Memphis barbecue partisan in
chat. St. Louis is another big one. No. Texas clears. Kansas City clears, apparently. Somebody
references the tornado burger in Stafford slash Sugarland. Are you familiar with
that? I am familiar with that. What's the lore on that one? It's just a good burger
place. It's just a burger place, okay. Tornado burger. It's like a brand, not a type
burger yeah yeah I see this I mean this looks pretty good does that look
right it's kind of a just a good-looking burger I respected I expected so the
funny thing about tornado burger is um that was their second establishment they
were known for their first establishment which was tornado taco and
then when that got really popular over the years and they
made a second shop actually right next to it called tornado burger we got
Shack's POV now for this bowl although he's gone dark on the camera.
The best, okay so
I'm not from an area that is known for its barbecue so take what I say with a
green assault.
The best barbecue I've ever had is in Jackson Hole, Wyoming.
Oh my god, it was so good.
You ever find yourself out in Dallas? I'll take you to a place that'll
calm down. That'll make you wish you lived in Texas for barbecue.
do a really good place I forget what is what where would you take me uh just for some place quick
that I know we can get into and good it's very blocks terry blocks it's one of those one of the
better places it's a decent price but there are a couple other better places if you really want to
get out there in Dallas yeah all right wow we've started a lot of fights in chat that are just
still running I know I like it this is this is great Hutchins barbecue is that what it was
called. Hutchins is good. Hutchins is very good. Oh, I'm sorry. I think yes, that's where
Spoon Talk is. That's very good. That's one of the better ones. I ate so much banana pudding.
He might have taken you to the best one, actually. It seemed kind of OG. It was
an old building with lots of wood. So people are trying to say Rudy's.
That's like a Texas staple. Rudy's is like the McDonald's in barbecue.
like it's not that's not saying it's bad it's good you know you're gonna get
something decent everywhere you go but it's not anywhere near the best well it's
like you're going to talk about you don't expect Mexican food you want to have
about yeah like that okay well we've got we've got some people that aren't from
the state there's somebody who's like I don't know any of this I'm from the
Norway oh wow you are in for a treat next time if you ever ever get the
chance to visit.
Dishes.
The famous dish in the movie.
Oh, they're like putting banana on pizza up there.
I thought that was Swedish food.
That's like Sweden.
They're probably...
Probably they're two though.
They're all like the same up there.
Yeah, I think they love it when you
actually plate them all, yeah.
Norway and Sweden, I think famously,
all best friends.
Yeah.
Yeah, they...
At least in Sweden it was the Lingonberries.
Lots of fish, lots of fish, yeah.
You guys ever had Lingonberries?
I have not had that, no.
Lingonberry, I've had the
the smooth meatballs with a very sauce and gravy and Ikea yeah it's delicious
it's the best thing ever one of the worst parts of now not being in the race
anymore is we don't just see his abominations during the race oh my
goodness yeah the pizza about pizzas pizzas just follows snow mix here and
clear for that she puts the worst pizza imaginable so bad I'll show you
They'll be like our pizza is the best and they'll show you a pizza with an entire salad on it
It's like guys. What are we doing here?
Like come on the the country that invented
What are they?
Which country sweet
The meatballs
Yeah, they have the Alan rich thank you production well done. Yeah, so many chat reference to pierogies. That's like that's Polish Polish, right? Yeah. Good pierogi.
I would love to. Oh, yes, sir sir sir. I don't know. Yeah, that's like fermented fish. Yeah. Well, we had another good poll here. Yeah, I was trying to watch and see what what was going wrong with this while also scanning chat for food related information.
and it looks like another doomscale hatch incident.
The damage check, again, it's just so brutal for this phase.
Things went pretty well though up until that point
and again the boss burn is starting to look promising.
I think that was a 63% here.
Oh yeah, Sweden has Fika.
People are saying Struppwaffel, no I'm pretty sure.
Struppwaffel is the Netherlands, right?
Yeah.
I'm pretty sure United Airlines invented those, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, true, true.
Yeah, and also a Biskoff cookie.
They have this meta there
in like the Netherlands and Belgium that's like a free shop where it's like it's just you go and you
get fries and then you just walk in you get your like thing of fries and then they just have like
60 different sauce dispensers of different sauces. How do you know about this? Well I've looked in
Belgium for a year. Oh I thought you said the Netherlands. Well yeah I think the Netherlands and
Belgium have this uh it's it's meta there they're close enough that they share some of this
culinary innovation. Incredible. Because it's like the northern part of Belgium like the Flanders
Right, right, right, part. Okay, because Belgium is the bottom half's French and the top half is
basically Dutch. It's Flemish, basically Dutch. What are they called? Basically Dutch.
It's like a free chopper, frieshopper. Free chopper. Yeah. That sounds great.
What kind of toppings are in there? Again, it's just like a million different sauces,
whatever you want. So it's like... What's your favorite sauce? Yeah.
Or dip. I like a lot of different ones, but you know, back at home,
I am partial to an American specialty known as ketchup
Put that on the fries can't go wrong just right just regular ketchup a little bit ketchup. You ever had a spicy ketchup
Oh, I don't mind a spicy ketchup. Yeah, that's real. Mm-hmm. Oh, I don't know if I like that. There's a so
Here's another Texan thing. Mm-hmm. You got water burger down there
You have to pronounce it that way it's water water burger water burger
Okay, not you don't say what a burger. It's water burger
And everyone's like all these burgers are made in and out is better five guys is better
Yeah, the burgers aren't great. You go to what a burger for two things you go for the patty melt
Okay, you go for the breakfast breakfast starts at 11 p.m. Goes to 11 am late night snack
Okay, get a honey butter chicken biscuit. It's some spicy ketchup not for the chicken chicken biscuit
You keep the spicy ketchup for a week. Yeah
So good. It's a late it's a late night delicacy
All right. Oh, I saw we were putting up our timer again to track our server for anybody in Chad
who hasn't been with us for some of these bowls. There's often been quite a bit of time
between them, so we've started a fun little game of tracking our time between poles without
a break timer, right? It doesn't count if there's a break timer, because of course that's
to be expected. But our all-time best for non-break timer time between bowls yesterday
or two days ago, I guess now, was 20 minutes and 42 seconds. We are on a quest to see
if we can have that ever be beaten right now at 2 minutes 40.
That's a long 20 minutes is crazy. There was an unbelievable shift on Monday, right? Where yeah, they pulled like
Yeah, I think there was there was a 45 minute period where they pulled twice
That was a pretty crazy I
Think my favorite sauce or dip
What I just think I mean ranch is just so good a good ranch is
This is like if you could only have one sauce for the rest of your life if I could only have one sauce
I think it would have to be it have to be ranch. That's the Midwest coming out of me
I think yeah, I think I'd probably go with ketchup, but I like barbecue sauce like a good barbecue sauce
Maybe it like you know what I would do little sweet little little hot little heat to it
I do sweet soy sauce. Ooh, the soy sauce is good
Do you have you guys a red poutine? Yeah, that's a poutine. Yeah poutine. Mm-hmm
That's I went to Toronto recently. Oh
So good
Yeah, I've had some in Montreal so many chat referencing that as well. Oh, I think I think that's where it's from. I think you're right. Yeah
It's
Quebec specialty. Yeah, there is there's also people in chat asking what the best ranch is
And I'm ashamed to admit it. Oh, but knowers know the best ranch in the world
Actually comes from a wing stop
I cannot explain it. They just have the best ranch
It just has the best
lot of truths coming in from chat.
How do they make it that I don't know?
They just mix it in a certain way.
That better than everyone else.
Kalamazie was having a meltdown
because he saved a bunch of
Wingstop Ranch that he wanted to show
Tobo and he was like dragging
Tobo to the kitchen like so excited
to introduce him to Wingstop Ranch
and somebody thrown it all the way
like I kept being like oh but you have
the packets like you can make it.
No, he brings the powdered ranch is like a bit. Yeah, that's that stuff is disgusting. It's awful. Yeah, it's it's just no
No, I mean you guys saw what happened during the World Cup, right? Yeah, a whole bunch of Europeans came here
discovered ranch tried to bring it back and kind of taken away at
Ranch is good
Yeah, we stopped the I like their fries
But only for the first couple of minutes they come out of the oven. Yeah, just a couple
Yeah, then then they over the first like five minutes of their lifespan outside of the oven
That's you must eat them in that time's been or else it is over. Yeah
Yeah, a couple days ago in one of the late-night ordering sessions. They were they got some wingstop
This is one of the nights I went home early. So I heard about the next day
They ordered fries as part of that as well. I would say
You never want to get the wingstop fries for delivery, right? That's uh, that's a miss for sure unacceptable
decision-making app only if you're eating there picking up first for dips
do the good chili from queso goes hard it's a good one that is good I like the
the what was it k-pop demon hunter I had a hunter sauce from McDonald's I've
got plenty of them left in my fridge. I'm savoring them for a good day and I will be clinging on those
onto those for dear life. Oh my god, did you guys see Kelly Clarkson sing golden? Yeah, yeah, she nailed it.
She just, she, you're not supposed to be able to sing it. Yeah, in the, in the like correct key,
right? Yeah. Nobody is actually able to sing that. Yeah. And like, she, that's the thing,
she didn't screech it, she actually like sing it. Yeah. Really. What a beast. It's crazy
that they made a TV show to find the best singer and they've like found her on the first try it's
like suffering from success as well because it's like and now we're going to make 20 more seasons
of find the best singer when we've already found her I think the closest person is like Carrie Underwood
but didn't she not even win I think you're right she got like second or something I can't name
another a single other not Melanie Martino never mind that was the voice yeah you're right
I don't know, that show fell off, the first few scenes were great and then it was kind
of like that.
So when you try to ask what is this timer, that is the timer between poles, we are trying
our best to beat our all time best of a 20 minute time between poles.
Oh Jennifer Hudson.
Oh really?
Yeah.
Oh Doctorie as well, was one.
Yeah.
Okay so there's a few.
There's a few.
There's a few.
Oh William Holmes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that go there have been some people that have gotten pretty famous from not winning the show as well
Like Adam Lambert. Oh, okay
You see they got this like
He's a judge on on one of those right
I feel like the era of like vol audition shows is kind of it's popped
Does a front flip
We're gonna get a DMCA'd such a
I
Like that I like to be the bad auditions that would go viral those were those were fun
I feel like a lot of them are on x-factor though
One direction wasn't American at all. It was Britain's got talent, right? I think so
Could be
Yeah, there are some of those words like a talent show right where they'll do it's not
just singing right they'll just have people up with like all sorts of random talents and
then they'll like we do it magic tricks or whatever and then there's always that one
judge it's just like unimpressed yep and then sometimes is impressed and everybody's
like wow they impressed that guy that is never impressed that's like and I've described
Several different shows with the...
Yeah, you can just grab the butter.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
As soon as he was in Boyle.
Yeah, or it's like when...
Yeah, yeah.
What is it? Gordon Ramsay will have the bites of the food
and then he'll just like,
chew and just like look at the camera and scrutinically forget
and just be like,
Wow.
That dish was...
absolutely terrible
doughnut
that I didn't get to have that before.
So I couldn't tell you how bad it was and it just like he's flipping back and forth between
Good and bad. There's a key and feel bit about that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's a key and feel bit so good
Apparently he auditioned Benson Boone and he got kicked off the show before it went live
All right a nine minute and 40 seconds split between pools this time around. That's pretty good. Our record for today
day. Yeah, that isn't that isn't a day record. It's not bad.
Did you think about, I feel like if the Susan Boyle thing could not be repeated
today, like how ridiculous? Well, they choose you. She shows up and they
quite literally like think she's going to be really bad just because
literally just because of the way she looks, which is an insane concept.
If you think about it, again, catching lightning in the bottom of the
first season of the shows and they've been trying to ride that high ever since and they haven't
been able to find it. Was that one of the first seasons of the shows? In my mind it was. If it
wasn't then I don't care because I've already decided that's how it was.
A question from chat was did Lip get his weapon? He's still... no he didn't get the mazeroa. He's
got an Intune Sentinel's weapon still so not bad but... He coined the guillotine.
Yeah, I coined a mythic game team, which is not bad either, but the, uh,
Nezra, of course, would have been the best outcome.
Hold on, I'm going to say this for my southern fellows.
Yeah, you coined the guillotine, the guillotine.
All right. Got that. That's right.
Try to think of other good auditions.
Or bad auditions.
What is Simon?
What is his name?
Yeah, what is he up to probably doing some other talent show?
That's kind of just his bit now
I don't think so. I think they've got a whole new cast in American Idol
Is Katy Perry still doing it? I don't know. I haven't watched in like 15 years. Google American Idol
Judges in this pool. The Lark is though able to turtle in the corner
actually maybe keep this going lost hopeful unfortunately yeah in the bubble
for the wretch fired up now down as well as a savvy in angel form I think this
poll is not going to be long for this world splat living up to the name as
well I think yeah this one that's a good attempt but let's let's try this one
again next let's go next let's try to lock in on some tall I think given the
Difficulty of P2, I just don't think you're allowed to have a mistake in P1 and really continue a pull at this point
Yeah, we haven't really been able to like stress test the
P2 at all too much at least since they implemented those changes this morning. They are in right?
Yeah, so a little back and forth last time we had a
Right, yeah, I guess we never know whether a nerve actually goes
anymore but there should be so the the nerf to be to is just to the blight vane
damage the damage of breaking the tethers right and yeah that hasn't been
actually what's been causing us too many problems it's kind of been everything
else then they just kind of seems to be and he was getting to be to he wanted
not quite yet to be to so it's uh since we were all curious definitely not
just me. American Idol judges are currently carry on the wood, Luke Bryan, and Lionel Richie.
I know one of those names. It's got a little yee-haw.
So we've got Method now with a 67% full. Good number. Thank you for stopping there.
Zyra just very regrettably did the hand motion. You might have some confusion on our leaderboard
as we have numbers not in the order that they usually go in. That's Radario's way of
tracking progression on this fight is I think based on how long you survive into the last phase
a change that was made because so much of early progression on this fight was
the boss HP was kind of being ignored and you were just seeing how far you could get in there
and so for the longest time you know for for almost 50 to 200 most of these guilds would have
the boss at about the same health percent so we were instead tracking how long you survived into
P2 how long you survived into P3 and I think the leaderboard is still using that metric so
So that's why it still has us in second
But yeah method now with the second lowest boss HV in a longest pull
The funny thing is there have been boss HVs that have been lower for all these guild right like liquid
We push the boss lower just not in a pole that's gone as long as our 74% pull right?
So that is currently being tracked as our best pull via Raider IO
It's a little bit confusing, but here's what I will say
It's all gonna even out soon once we actually start seeing P3 progression
on the same poles as good P1 pushes that we will get back to just all the numbers making sense
Or to never even out until the boss gets beginner
Also a chance, also a chance but you know it's early in the reset
It's there's a lot of progression to be done
You never know
Stay tuned to find out
For the time being though
Still operating under this new P1 strategy to try to optimize boss damage
taking a little bit of a play from that goes once again making sure they're
moving this wretch around, cleaving it down with the boss and the rattle until
we get the second wretch spawn and we need to die in the next 10 seconds or so
before that next cast goes off from it. Try to cleave down all these eggs before
the next set of waves so that we don't spawn any vipers that's the Moonkin's
job everyone else is gonna be doing as much boss damage as possible for the
time being so far so good but of course the most difficult part of the
fight is that this next overlap coming up where you have to pick up
these ends in the middle of the room do a whole bunch of wave dodges and then all converge on top
of the last set of slams of the phase without spawning any vipers. Yeah, this phase is a nasty one
and we've seen even after a couple hundred poles just a huge amount of inconsistency in this phase.
It's uh it's it's just so tough to keep these eggs from hatching, get any of these vipers
spawn and you can see once again, we have a Viper active. When you do spawn a Viper, not
only do you have an extra add with a bunch of health that needs to be taken care of and
it's not CC-able in the way that the Rawlings are, but it'll also do those dive bombs and
a dive bomb will stun all the affected players until you heal off a massive healing
absorb on them. So it is basically a wide-divit overlaps with when you need to be getting
inside that retch circle, any of those sorts of things. And even if you manage
to kill it there is a one hour dot placed on the whole raid whenever you spawn a
viper it's not a lethal dot it's like 30,000 DPS on the raid but you know if you
think about it that's an extra 600,000 HPS that is now being asked of you for the
remainder of the fight as a raid which is pretty crazy that's more than one
healers worth of healing yeah I mean that's a lot it is it's one of the
easiest kinds of healing to heal which is like very non lethal rot damage so
So there's a good chance that it will capture what otherwise might have been over healing.
And so it's a little bit less scary than it sounds, but it's still basically going to
be a wife, right?
Like when you see a Viper nine times out of 10, they're about to die and they're remaining
one time out of 10.
They probably are still going to die, but in like a minute or two.
I had a question in chat asking about if the boss is this difficult, do we think
we have a chance of China getting back in the race?
Well, it depends on how long the boss stays in this form and whether or not it
actually is killable progress or progressable here because you've got two actually three Chinese teams in the top seven
Yeah, we've got of course zheng zhou in number four there who have got coiled altered down to five percent or so on them that last
Phase identity a little bit further off the mark and then of course up JS hug as well my fate my personal favorite
I love I
Think they're a really cool guild ten of their shoes as well, right? Yes. Well, yeah, not not so much not for me
But I think something that's really interesting is like Chinese guilt throughout the years have had this identity not not trying to make a plan on the
guilt there of
Just chain holding right no discussion wipe reset pull again. Yeah, there was a time on tindrel where as soon as they died
There was a pull timer up even before they don't release spirit
I remember watching some clips of that and yeah, absolutely
Jongju team doing exactly that and forth there nearing the
500th pole. Same thing for identity. Upcoiled altar. Up now at 350 and they're just now getting into P3.
Yeah, I think they're going to be reaching very high pull counts on that boss. Yeah, it's one of
those things where the pull count can be a little bit misleading, right? Because, you know, if you
can get more poles in the same hour as somebody else, you'll look bad if somebody just looks
at you and is like, oh, well, your pull count's really high. But it's like you're
you just are choosing to use your time differently, right? You're choosing to pull
more often and that's not a bad thing right so kind of like progress is how much time you spending in
the raid right is I think a fairer way to compare guilds which to be fair even when you make that
adjustment it often still is uh is tough when when you're getting to 500 a thousand I remember there
was a tindrel a guild on tindrel that had a thousand pulls which is understandable boss is very
hard coiled altar he's certainly in that lineage but not gonna I don't think it's gonna make it
to a thousand polls. It is bad news though, so the really bad news for the Chinese teams is
none of them secured the 344s in their second reset that Liquid Echo and Method did, which means
also none of them get it in their vaults. They will still get to bonus roll it in the next reset
probably if they want to, so they'll be able to recover some of that value, but they are going
to be at an eye level disadvantage now compared to Echo, Liquid, and Method as we move into
this third reset for them as well, which I believe their third reset has just
happened a little or it's about to happen in the middle of the night for them.
I don't know if it happened. Yeah, I think actually it might be. It might be. It might be a few hours. Yeah, it's there.
I have another question in chat. What UI is THG using? Believe it or not, he's using
Ellismire UI. You might be surprised because it looks exactly like default
L UI, but he has configured his Ellismire UI to look that way because
that's what he's used to.
Yeah, he's been a fan of his specific UI for many years.
He was one of the most stubborn players
when it came to any suggested changes
that Liquid would have for people for their UIs,
because Liquid doesn't force anybody
to do anything with their UI,
but they often will have something that it's like,
hey, this is the best way to do this.
And then 28 out of 30 people on the roster will adopt it.
And the people that don't are like,
drill and THD, right, YIPS as well, right?
Those players that are just like,
ah, no, got my UI, I like it.
For THD, it was like LVI for Yipson Trail.
It's base UI, but yeah, THD has converted
to become an acolyte of the Ellesmere UI.
It's the year of the smear.
It is the year of the smear.
And he's been able to make it look a lot like his old UI
used to anyways, but now it's got the benefits
of Ellesmere UI, which for those who haven't tried it
out yet, it's really nice.
It's really nice to just have a UI that you know
on a patch day, there's gonna be an update for it.
Yeah.
And it's not gonna be one of the culprits
that's throwing 400 Lua errors or if it is, it's only going to be for a couple hours and
then there's going to be a fix versus some of these other ones where it's like I got
to disable my add-on for first week and a half of this batch.
I'm mimicking a machine gun Lua error.
Stutter stutter.
Yeah.
That's a mix thing.
Of what thing?
Mix.
She knows about... she gets the same brain rot to tiktok's that I do.
one is there's this girl who goes to like tuner car rallies and like makes
the sound of the engine. Like accurately or pretty accurately? Yeah.
What is a tuner car? Like you know, really old nice cars like a
Oh, look at Skyline.
Or what else does she do?
There's people in chat who for sure know about this too.
It's very common TikToks to be fed.
Somebody in chat asks, how do you feel Ellesmere compares to EQOL?
So for those who don't know EQOL, it's enhanced quality of life.
It's a kind of suite of a bunch of random little quality of life fixes.
There is a lot of overlap between what Ellesmere UI's QOL features have
and that one, but there is some that aren't.
Like you probably want both and then just turn off any of the duplicate things in, I would say, EQOL.
And then there's still a couple that aren't in the Ellesmere UI quality of life set, so that'll be my preferred way of doing it.
But if you only have one, I think you get all the important ones from either of the like big quality of life, you know, tweets.
Yeah, pretty easy to... I was worried about that, about it overlapping with some of the ones that I was kind of like, hard stuck on.
Yeah.
Like, Plater. I didn't want to get rid of my Plater profile.
And you can turn it off. You can just use yeah, you can just turn off L's me ride name plates
Yeah, whatever other name plates you want and it tells you what it's overlapping as well. Yeah, nice
Yeah, same with like if you want to use bartender or something like actually I think that one might be a
Hard, you know pick one or the other type of situation
Me too
Used to just do my own custom stuff to make my own exactly how I want some and then I'm just like I don't
I don't care enough to do it that way anymore. I'll just get I'll just get one of the streamer packaged you I
Just like put a lot of work in there and every patch. I'll update it
Yeah, I'm gonna update it every patch. It's just it's such a such a especially every patch
I'm already I've already got a log in and all of my talent loadouts are obsolete and Valera has forgotten all of her abilities and
Every everything is broken every patch got to redo everything
Just once I'd like a patch where I log in and I don't have to report all my talent points in
Talking about these tuner cars
I think Skylands are insanely cool.
One another one's like an RX-7. It's pretty popular.
I think my dream car would be an R32.
That's what I'd like to get.
I'm not a big car guy. What's the...
It's just a really old, nice car.
I want a D-Wagon.
That's what I want.
A D-Wagon? Like a Voker?
Oh, okay.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, not a D-Wagon.
Not a D-Wagon, I see.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Never gonna happen.
happen. Those are really pretty pricey but you know really country. Yeah. Are you gonna
show us a picture? Oh I mean you've probably seen it it was it wasn't fast and furious.
I've never seen fast and furious. Oh that looks like a very regular car from the 90s.
Yeah it looks like a Civic. My mom had a car just like that. They don't get it. They
They don't understand.
It's got four reels, four doors.
Yeah.
What's the big deal?
Yeah.
Unfortunately, we have another couple of players dead.
You can see from the raid frames, a couple of those egg yolk debuffs, a couple of vipers
on the battlefield.
This one is not going to be a very successful P2.
One of the problems of this damage optimization strat is now you're using your lusts in
P1, which means you can't realize a couple of people have died and then use it to
get your P2.
Like you could if you were planning to last say p3 and you'd be like I'll just hit less and let's get through p2
Nope, not allowed you are sated so if even one player is dead going into p2
I think it's close to a zero percent chance of progression
Yeah, it's gonna be rough. I mean consistency in p1 is gonna be the key
Obviously, they're relearning any strats. So there's gonna be some pickups
This is to be expected, but they would really like to start seeing more of these two because that seems to be the real
the real progression point right now without the bloodlustering to get as many
pulls on that as possible so we can start getting back into P3 and see more of the
fight. Remember last week we only really saw the first 30 seconds to a minute of P3
and that was with a lot of people dead so something that actually do the fight
that much. We've seen that there's a retch spawn in P3 as well so they're
gonna have to find a way to maximize boss damage with that alive too.
We'll have to see how this fight's gonna go.
Question in chat was, dodging the waves was part of the old strat too.
What's there to adjust?
Well, it's not just the waves, they're leaving the Wretch alive
throughout the entire phase now, instead of instantly focusing it down.
Which means that they have to deal with its mechanic,
which is that bubble that everybody has to stack inside of.
It is largely still the waves that are causing us problems.
I'm not gonna lie, that's, you know, not strategy, that's execution,
But the wretch is a significant departure from what we did most of our first 200 pulls doing
Yeah, you could have just cleaved it down really quickly
But then there's also the added eggs, which you can't bump into each other. Yeah, that's the
mythic mechanic that
Does complicate all of those wave dodges not a lot of room in there
Yeah, especially inside that bubble
Yeah
What is the ability that let's
It's called Luthoranical Flap.
We're not joking.
It looks so cute.
I love it.
The little moonkits are such a good stuff.
It's so goofy, yeah.
You know what another underrated car is?
What?
Remember like the 99 Mitsubishi Eclipse?
Mm-hmm that car was actually pretty cool in hindsight
Remember that one. It had like the really interesting tail lights. I think you are in the wrong
Mundes with Calamansi to cover this it's all it's all good. It's all good. Okay. What what is the car? I'll indulge you
Let me Google Google it do better. What is it called? It's a B. Shee clips. There's a lot of different models
2 BC Eclipse
Yeah, is it a
Kind of looks like a Honda Civic looks like the kind of car my mom during school in every car looks like a Honda Civic
Yeah, is it a four-wheel drive or?
The other one did it get good gas mileage. Yeah
How's it safety ratings? I
Don't know
I'll have you guys know that I drive a very
economical car right now. Do you have a Mazda? No. What do you have? No, I have a CRV. Oh yeah. Nice
little crossover. Oh my goodness. If there's a car doll where you could have to guess the
like car, we would be absolutely does. I'm pretty sure there is. Yeah, there's every kind of doll
you could imagine. Does I know any car that isn't a rich person car? I, what a weird, okay.
kick. Yeah, you've got, of course, your, you know, your cheaper Lamborghinis. Yeah.
If you really want to slum it, I guess we can go on the BMW. Yeah. Oh, I don't know about that.
Well, there's the non stretch limos. Yeah. My first car was a 1997 Toyota
Camry with a classic stick shift that my mom bought from a dude on credit
list. Yeah, I know how to drive a manual. So it's all you people saying like girl car knowledge.
I know how to drive a stick. I know how to check my oil. I also like that manual. Yeah.
And then old Ford Explorer. I'm like the 90s.
Dude, those were the best. I feel like old cars. Mm hmm.
My mom bought it used when I was 10 years old and then I found it.
And then I drove it to 350,000 miles before I sold it
I'm just having a manual transmission. That's a good old car
I'm putting a drive in my car into the ground
That's that's what I do I drive cars into the ground until
Not a manual though, I'm I never never learned that
You can't I mean you can like it's hard to even find manual transmissions anymore. I feel like they're so rare
They're like not unautomatic. They're very off meta in the yes now
It's you though. It's it's still very common dude. I would so like where I live
Maybe this is like this. I don't know how I really like your area specifically is Dr.
I was like I
Prefer it for Hills manual transmission so much like I even still drive my car because I have like a semi-automatic
like I can switch it to semi-automatic I even drive it like I'm still
driving a manual, I downshift all the time. I'm constantly flipping it back
between automatic and semi-automatic and downshifting.
Yeah, I live in a very difficult area to drive. Not because of the terrain, but
just because of the people that live there. Texas cities are a different
animal to drive in. They're definitely worse places to live. LA is one
them. Oh yeah, LA traffic is awful. New York is pretty bad. Can I make a plea for Denver to be
out of that list? I think Denver is supposed to, I think it actually is up there. We have the highest
rate of car insurance in the country. Oh my god. I'm pretty sure. I pay so much money for car
insurance. It's disgusting. And then on top of that, during COVID, they stopped like carrying
if people had car insurance or if their cars were registered. And it's just still like that.
So the amount of cars, it's a fun game that me and my partner play of like how on how expired is this person's tags?
It is so normal to see multiple years
Of expired tags on people's cars and they don't do anything. But the good news is we have, you know, lots of fun cameras
Yeah
On the road, I feel under surveilled, you know
Yeah, I'd like to know that you know several different government and private companies know where I am at any given time
It's just it's not it feels comfort. I feel I'm in the warm embraces
Like a brother figure exactly a large a large brother figure one might say
Dallas traffic on the highways is a bad
You know that one I think it's a family guy bit where the driver goes. I'm turning that
Crossing four lanes that's what it's like living in Dallas
Yeah, I mean sometimes you got to just yeah, it's like when you're carrying one of these eggs, right?
Sometimes you just running in a line. You're just like better get out of my way. I'm a moonkin and I'm
Do not have a license
Right now I'm about to bounce. That's right
Oh my god
That's good plus plus we've got the added
issue of a lot of tourists coming during the winter and getting a rental car and then
driving up to the mountains in a snowstorm and not having any idea what they're doing.
They actually cause so many accidents the tourists because they're given a rental car
with no knowledge of how to drive in snow and it's a huge issue.
I think only recently they started requiring rental cars to have snow tires or flow drivers
and they're like that in the winter.
I can see how that would be a problem.
It's so bad.
Not knowing how to drive and I see conditions like a huge hazard.
It's so bad.
Yeah.
Yeah, it rains kind of infrequently so even when it starts raining it's like people forget
how to drive.
I feel like that's like a common criticism worldwide but like it is remarkable how
you know a little bit of water on the road that the cars are designed for
does get people to start to be weird
it's like how when you start taking damage in a wild fight
and you start forgetting how you should move and everything
you ever forget like what class you're playing when you start to do it
you press the button and it's like they should be charged with death grip
yeah yeah yeah that's not what that one's supposed to do
Someone chat says, Blood DK's self healing is crazy.
Yeah, this fight in particular, the Blood DKs are able to sustain themselves really, really well.
I think both Liquid and Echo started pulls with their tank comps that were from maybe the last boss.
I know at least Echo, they were pulling with a prop halogen for their first few pulls and just getting flattened.
Then you play Blood DK and you can still die, but it's a lot more chill.
You know what I want is a car here's it here's a niche pick that's getting flamed
Japanese mini truck. Oh, I want one of those so badly. They're so cool. What brand are those?
Yeah, there's those there's different kinds, but I think those that's like the main one
Are you looking it up? Yeah push here. Yeah, yeah in tact go into the hallway
We've got our first mole.
Let's see if we can get the damage done this time.
Again, the part that we've been struggling the most with,
that everybody's been struggling the most with,
is getting through this phase without lust,
feeding that damage check, getting those eggs collected.
We have that timer, so a way that you can track this phase,
if you look at those boss frames over on the right,
those four eggs, when they finish their cast,
that is the timer when you need to pick them up by,
So you want to get the warden killed and all the other eggs picked up and broken out by then
Or else we are going to be in
Trouble here that warden nearly dead
They're beating that bolt that's good
So we now got to pick up some of these eggs fired up gonna be picking up one of them
So that's the first half of the the hallway here
So they're not trying to split it up anymore. So now now we need to go to the other side
Yeah fired up is going to be so that they've spawned a few of these Rawlings
They're going to be cleaning these down but what they need to do now is break these other eggs shields
And you can see they only have a little bit of time left until those doomscale eggs need to be picked up now fired up
Is soon going to be it's going to be time for him to go and he's going to get need to go on an adventure
Actually, they were not even sending fired up anymore now. They are sending
Somebody else on the mini map I can see is going up there for that other egg hopeful on one side is doing it
But yeah, on the other side. I'm not sure who hopeful though grabbing that egg
Rhinestir is doing it, into Ghost Wolf to do it for Fired Upside and that's gonna
allow them to keep Fired Up doing damage for a little while longer so that's an
optimization to have your healer do it instead of your TPS. Now we have the
Doom Scales all successfully spawned, no enraged Doom Scale, although there's one
running at hopeful, it's okay all good though, couple of kicks to do and we
get them under boss. Alright here comes the next rage, a lot of damage is
It's gonna be on the right here soon.
Evil dropping super low.
KSP is in so much danger right now.
Needs to get another heal.
Able to get stabilized though, before the next damage takes.
Each of these damage takes during this rage is just so scary as the boss shoots those
laser beams into the ceiling.
The doom scale is getting cleaved down under here though and the boss is starting to melt.
We can finally see boss damage is a real possibility here.
What is that?
Is that 53%?
I don't think we're hard focusing, boss.
I think we're trying to build doom scales here.
53%.
53 is pretty solid. That's not a bad percentage Zyro. That's very good. That's the best we've seen. I don't think it's kill range territory
But it's very high progression. All right. You need to kill these eggs off if you want to progress in p3 at all though
We have our first slam there in the bottom right second in the top left third is here on square
And then the tempo only and increases from here
We need to get these eggs broken out and collected before the end of this phase as well
Or we are gonna have a viper catastrophe
The final coil is there in the bottom left of the screen.
Hopefully one of the people who's going to need to get an egg into there.
I think that's it. I think there are no more coils.
We've got to collect the other eggs now and just hold on to them for as long as we can to avoid spawning vipers.
Driny is going to on. We have Shack, Lip, and Trill down, fired up as well.
So we're missing four DPS, but we have 16 alive.
One, two Viper debuffs now and two active vipers, which is going to be a bit of a problem.
We're going to have those healing absorbers coming out.
One of those, luckily on Exile, you might be able to cloak it.
I'm actually able to Shadow Step. Oh, beautiful. Step from Exile at the last second there to avoid that heal absorb.
The other one. Wow, also dodged. Alright, so these Vipers are actually not going to be killing them.
Did you see him just use his Void Elf racial to dodge? I think he might have velfed it, yeah. What a beast.
That is wild. I fear we don't have enough players to soak Venoms in the way they go for the Vipers.
Death Cripple and Egg is waddling in, but again, gripped beautifully.
Hopefully going to be again going to the edge. And we've got to soak all of these Venoms.
Oh the melee ones are stacked Zyro and that is not good.
Well they have to do that to actually suck them down but yeah now all those players are going to die.
Oh! Add on! Add on alert! We've got the triangle aimer so that they can have that aim.
Hey, hey, massive progress ball.
Absolutely some massive progress. We're going to check in with the raiders, see what they have to say about that incredible pull and we're going to head to a monster energy listening to get that reaction.
I have to line up. It's time we leave small problems behind, but it's fine.
Yeah, the other side is like way fucking faster. They're like 10 seconds faster or something.
Let's go smoke him.
So just to give you an idea, let's watch them one at a time each side, and then we'll go over the intermission.
But there is a... I think people were just kind of a little confused because people weren't generally in their spots in the room.
Um, but we have, okay, so this side does a single gestate.
The warden dies, we pick up eggs.
I think you guys might have done like a slightly different pick up, but it didn't really matter.
I always take this one, but, wait, which one am I, no, I'm on the middle, no.
So this side killed their ad with 40 seconds left in the phase, and the other side I think
because of the extra mole is a little delayed, so when it's 40 seconds I can't
and see because default um see who's on your side am i even supposed to be taking up an
exit on our side nope uh you guys you're doing scales at like 20 is it possible like
that you we could try to get just more boss up time when it's being dragged back and forth
on this side maybe is something to think about like like here just like all the melee just
follow the boss or something instead of hitting these ads because like these ads are going to
to get broken out right I think like we still even when the boss comes back have
10 seconds to break them out like there's not like a huge uh when you go to
yaps's pulse and just see how it looks yeah I think this is the issue I think
like honestly you just like fucking stay out of this range like because this is
like slow dragging them back but like you basically just like someone gets the
kick and you know just run back to yaps instantly like we have eight
seconds still to break these do you you don't think it's possible that
But like, if you're a melee in this phase, you basically are like hitting boss, you go
over here, and then you follow the boss to his mold.
I mean I can't really just be out of this range of this guy permanently, I'm gonna die
to my daughter.
I can't die.
Yeah, I mean that can be a bit better, like if you void out for me here, I don't know
if you're using anything.
I'll use it to get back.
I mean you could put me on that side, I could provoke him.
No, no, no, that's...
I don't think that's good.
But yeah, let's just keep going we were doing originally to show the other side here.
So they kill their guy, 40 seconds left in the phase, they pick up their eggs, they
go mid.
So what are the egg pickups supposed to be?
I can pull it up on my other monitor.
It is supposed to be Exile, Wall Life, Scott, Boomi.
Oh, you are assigned here.
Oh, but you can be.
That's correct, because you are.
Yes, you're getting this one fired up,
and it's because you're not doing the doomscale anymore.
And then this one is flat, this last one.
And Mark is here.
He's already like free there.
This looked fine.
I just want to make sure there wasn't any traffic jams.
Seems like people just generally move in.
I think that's important that when we go through the hallway so we do have this like left right
like lane thing like you know like see how one person left one person
fill it all so it's kind of been insane if we ever even had a collision on the
other side of the eggs I feel like we've literally never
basically am I am I correct in this side as soon as this egg is broken and picked up by Scott
which is now that both doomscales on this side could be picked up if we want to.
Yeah, well, yeah, I mean only one has to be, but yeah.
Well, I don't know if that actually matters though, because like,
right, we still have to like DPS these eggs out and we basically just need to only
really pick up the doomscales by the time that we would need to have them in the middle and leave.
So this side works, we just have to problem solve the other side,
Cause while this side is like on basically once you guys make it to the platform, the other side I think is basically just junk just dunking their dune skills.
Like the bit the other team is at the boss right now.
I'm like a for 30 seconds in this phase doing the fire.
I mean I
Let me see your side. Actually, it feels really bad on my end.
Yeah, I feel like I feel like it just has to be a healer just like the other side, right?
If you watch my PV, I'm just I'm just goes from across the path.
Yeah, like this is this is
They're like
This is fine, but like it's heavy do because every calm do this and they cast to do this so that's kind of the question
If you watch my and I'm not dunking at the same time they are I'm like AFK while they still collect they're just sitting in the middle
We're in Sonoma maybe really nicely, we're like already...
That's just because they're, that's just because they're like slower, right? That's all this.
Yeah. Like, I'm actually just sitting here waiting.
Yeah, this needs to be a healer on your side for sure.
Uh, yes. For that first, like...
It has to be Nick, instead of Molten and everything.
It would help if I, like, followed the boss out for that first Molten,
and then I just, like, top of where he goes, so it makes them run back to me,
and I just sit there for a second.
I think the only thing your your side needs is you I don't think it even has to do with how fast you want your side
Just needs boss damage in any way
Like it just like the only thing holding you back is boss am right because like
On your first set you're basically just waiting until the boss dies to do anything, right?
Like you just say you just say you pulled on top of these things this stuff is
It's just saying again cool now. It's broken all these things are broken rights like ideally the boss dies now
I mean six looks okay on the other side like this is or this is seven right yeah
this is this is seven puv. Okay but but this just objectively looks different
if they have the dodges during this right. You guys have the dodges here on
this set so and that's just RNG I think you guys might have to do the 8 what do
you think and then and then that just solves this problem right away definitely
feels bad for not having the boss in range for any time yeah okay so there's
like no possible way to ever more than differently right on your side like we're
not missing something with them all but it's just how the room is it's just
guaranteed that he will always have those two legs
I don't know
who are the two people not assigned right now
I mean I feel like they just grabbed these two right
the thing is you have to get the fuck out of the way though
you know like you have to go
you've said that we should have a roar for that so it's
be okay and we can actually add hopeful to this because Nick is doing the thing
right so you could actually add hope as well
so you just stay here no no you know you follow the everyone heal everyone in
the mid you can heal you can heal you can heal and then you just go so then
you go. I'll literally just show you full, full of Driney Puv.
I'm Driney's on the other side, Driney.
So this is Driney after we, so he just killed a Doom scale.
He doesn't pick up an egg, he just heals and goes to the mid, just healing people with
the eggs, he'll kill the eggs, people start dropping them.
He even follows them into the next room, healing, healing, healing, healing, healing.
And 20 seconds left he just leaves.
Holy shit, I got a frog side to save me from a hurricane.
That's crazy, bro.
That's so insane.
That's so insane you can drop a chain heal and I just take those 12-25 and send them
to DR and run.
Go fire up!
I mean, yeah, I mean, our enemy is just...
Our single is always going to be closer than the back three, no matter what, because
our back three aren't on the edge, they're on the wall, at the far wall.
I think your side can do the eight, because like the seven for them looks just like
getting the stuff on the ground is going to make it weird. That's why I think it's important
that you have people that are able to clear the area. I think Zevi and Sinni are already
here, that's fine, but like THD ports mid, hopefuls blinking, just like clearing the space
for these people to not just be stuff behind basically. And then you basically, Sinni
and Zevi, just like dunk once you see like you're getting close to the mid, you guys,
and then you guys AWE as you go to the next side and then you're just fucking
biving all right boom was it hard for like you to heal so little it was heavy
be fine it wasn't hard I don't think it was a different profile but it'll be
fine so he's gonna fucking like that you just have to be so it's a hit if
it's this like there's no there's no eggs or anything like nobody's being
effect it's just like this lower up and it gets fine and just like drop the
light will be good yeah yeah but it is still
you're gonna check intermission so it's that German post it's still confused like
I heard a marker in my brain and that's very wet yeah so basically fired up
fired up assignment just the PV that I saw I was fired up just always so it's
diamond and triangle we change back to the
well it shouldn't we change back to the free group thing cuz we haven't we might
but we haven't yet but this one this one works absolutely it worked that was
the oracle the reason the reason I'm on doesn't pop it with both my mom's by
swear I just heard I swear I changed it for me so so yeah so like fired up on
this well you don't even need to wait to your assignment right like you know
You can just see it, so we know.
You can just see it, so we know.
Like where you're supposed to go.
And then all this is doing is it's just showing you where your soaks are relative to anything else.
So like right here, you guys shouldn't wait to see I'm Soaking Star.
You should just know, like the five people who are soaking the star in orange thing are like predetermined
before this phase ever starts, whether or not they're going to die.
My assumption is that I like myself.
Myself, a lot of us forgot where we were and just reposted it as well.
If you want to know why you got boomed from diamonds
It's because
Bro
I did not get the
Better have been in triangle
The soaks he got
Wager says the two markers
Well the good news is is that
Well you might be in a hurry
You have to turn on or something
I think that I'm going to check it
And you have to do the check box
To show every soak it once
Yeah I swear I have to
I swear I have to
Yeah I do too
I saw one but I don't see the other for me
Let me check my pulse.
I just heard Skull.
I didn't see anything.
So.
Oh, I see it.
Never mind.
I'm stupid.
Do I have a picture of the, like, everyone's
in the same?
I have a big text.
Wait.
I don't even recognize the text.
The current assignments, it should be in the notes
or these.
Well, that doesn't help me.
Is everyone in the two spots?
Yeah.
In that picture?
OK, so you're never so.
Yeah.
Yeah, so sometimes you might be in the first soak,
But like the way you should look at the phase is not like I'm waiting to hear my first soak
It should be like I know I'm diamond triangle and like I'm basically just like
Pre-positioning on this side of the room and like I know that if any eggs are in this quadrant
I should break them and then clear them and I know that if there's a soak on diamond or triangle that is going to be my
So
Right so like if he was positioned in a place where he was already in between diamond and triangle
I just think if it's we haven't been there enough for people to just know their spots, right?
And he was just sitting here when he saw that first oak on diamond
He wouldn't really even have to think he would just like go to the thing right next to him
So does everyone know where their spot is
Okay
I think I'm circling something I just
Circle and star if you're yeah
I haven't you guys
Scott
It's on the bottom in the right. They guys have to soak each other sometimes. Yeah, correct
So diamond and triangle you guys sometimes you guys sometimes will have to like soak a
One from your quarter next to you which is why we put all the very mobile people in
Square and moon and diamond and triangle, but the tanks by the way should be
One of them should be getting I think the way we set it up was
The moxing game of difference with this, by the way.
Yeah, which is correct, though are the ones on my picture that I posted in the channel correct for what's in game?
Yes, because that's what the...
Okay, so yeah.
Yeah, there should be a tank basically a tank should be in either school.
Okay, then and then yet should be blue and x.
Yeah, yet is also responsible for ads on star and orange and red Scott is responsible for dying.
I've never gotten a blue and x assignment for myself. It's always been circle first. Yeah, you won't get assigned there
Well, yes, you will that means I think it's a circle
always circle and star and
Like Scott for being well Scott should be complete opposite side of the room
Yeah, you should also get assigned the blue and x even though he can't like reduce the damage
Just so that he's there for that spawn rate
I just want to make sure it's not bug-filled by people because like when I get I have it ticked and I only have a C1 so I'm not stupid.
the list of people that are at the different spots I think I did this it
wasn't on this reason but a different one no this is the one I posted with other
night view let's say that what happened with the stack in my games did you get
like you kind of stuck you couldn't move to me or should I have to do the
doom skills I was very late to get over like you know they were they were
Is there a spot you want me to go because I if I'm always quick then do you want me to be somewhere to help like I
Think we just need to be under the boss right like like the hearts here for sure. We just have to be here
I don't think it matters. I don't think
Now we're sitting and killing the new skills at this very moment. I think we just need to be under the boss
Yeah, yeah, you want to be central. I think central is good. We can be like
All right, and we are back from that monster energy listen in on the team liquid a race for world first from the Alienware training facility in sunny Santa Monica, California
I am joined by Dratness and Xyronik where liquid have just had their new best getting the boss all the way down to 50%
Seeming like they are now starting to optimize for boss DPS. We need to see some p3 pulls today boys
We just almost got one. Well, we kind of did get one. They saw p3
Maybe it wasn't a perfect push. Maybe you had a couple of diapers, but that's either here nor there
we got through P2. That's the important thing. That's the thing that's been plaguing Echo in their initial
polls after their Reclear today. This phase 2 without Blood Blast is just unbelievably hard to get
through. The nerfs that targeted the tether damage, I don't think that was necessarily a massive
nerf. It'll help with the consistency of healing through the tethers, but that's not something
that either of the guilds is really having issues with. So it has maybe created the space for
Dryne to go do one of the egg runs instead of FireDub, which then generates damage by
getting it on the stairs you get to stay on the eggs that you need to pop before you grab that final do scale eggs so
That might be a way that a sort of healing nerf actually becomes a damage nerf, but yeah, it's I would say it's not the biggest nerf in terms of
The actual check of that which is of course the damage right the damage is the important thing
Not the healing so
Still though, not a bad not a bad pull for liquid 50
percent so almost halfway there interestingly enough coming out of the second damage burn during heroic week all those days ago
Obviously we're on day 16 now on day like I don't know three or four
Whenever they were pushing out of that second damage, but they were about 40 to 45 percent
And so I feel like if that is yeah translate that into mythic in 45 percent was the like the number where it's like, okay
You know to kill it during yes now on mythic
You might be able to do it even at a little bit of a higher number
You know p3 although they don't actually have that much execute in this composition
We just have wall life and the rogues and
Roads are decent
Shadows gonna get there execute throughout the shadow will do well
But also p3 you probably are able to leverage a little bit less boss damage than you are in heroic because there is a wretch
That will be needing some of your damage
But the slimes are easier. Yeah, you do get to grip them to the boss instead of needing to
So the eggs and P3 they move but are gripable on mythic and if they reach the center whirlpool they do hatch
But I doubt that's offsetting the wretch damage, but yeah
I think I think on net it's still gonna be unless you can just absolutely not focus the wretch at all and full cleave it down
Which maybe you can okay, then I think that P3 you probably we probably need to see P3 starting at 45 percent
To be feeling like this is a kill which they were far off. But yeah
Yeah, it's so far. Yeah, like 50% is we're we are right there. We are the damage the light at the end of the tunnel is
There where's the lust? It's still in P1. It's still a two-minute. It's gonna have to stay at P1
I think so I think that is the kill lust. Yeah, it's uh, so I've seen some speculation on this right cuz it's like
Oh, do you want to last twice? Well, you probably can't I the the spell key is a little bit slower on the thick
But it still ends up meaning that the boss will probably die around 10 minutes ish exactly
So not really a good chance for a second lust
The best lust that is going to be on one of those burn phases and the best one for boss
I'm just actually lusting the P1 burn because you can lust a little bit early
And then you're hitting the tail and the boss for a little while with the part of your lust that isn't in one of the
Heartburns also a little like tiny optimization as well as lusting the P1 burn means you're probably gonna potion there as
Well and lusting the P1 bird versus the P2 burn
You actually will have a second potion to use at the very end of the fight.
Yeah, because if you lost the P2 burn, you do not get it for any other point, right?
It's your only pot that you'll get.
Have you guys felt about reprogression today?
It's kind of interesting because, you know, there has to be a lot that's, like,
re-optimized when you're talking about the wretch and the movement associated with, you know,
getting inside of this bubble, everybody making sure that they make it in.
Also having to deal with that while carrying eggs has been particularly problematic.
Should they have optimized this retch movement earlier, like last week?
No, it was something that they were still trying to figure out, feel out the fight, see more of the fight.
It makes sense to have done what they were doing.
They were still having a lot of issues in P1 just to egg carrying and getting hit by waves,
so I don't think they would have done themselves any favors doing this last week.
The fact of the matter is, like, they're doing a really good job optimizing it now,
and you're still gonna have some wipes to P1 to those same things, to waves and egg movement, not being perfect.
Sometimes there are some overlap centers that are really nasty, like, whenever you're getting cropped up,
to stack in the coils and then you get shot gunned by waves and people aren't prepared for it
That's gonna happen. Look at this POV of THG right here getting ready to get into the coils here with the egg on them
This is actually a really easy pattern on the center on that one. You're almost never gonna spawn a viper on
Sometimes they're closer and we do have vipers from other players. That's the thing, right?
All 20 players in your raid are presented with a different configuration of waves that they are needing to dodge
A lot of people go to Void off in the room and a lot of people have actually race changed to Void off for exactly that because
You know what major is completely over the waves txt you saw him poured over the waves
Not everybody has that opportunity and so as it turns out having that get out of jail free car with the Void off ratio
Can be extremely valuable the station went dwarf this week
Presumably just for as much damage as possible Demos a very crit heavy spec. I
Think that exile in KSP with
Void Elf?
Okay.
Yeah.
I don't know if...
I guess as a rogue it would still be nice because you can't step safely to a lot of people.
Oh, nice, nice beat there buddy.
Got that Tobba walking by giving us some fist bumps.
Yeah.
Who else could really go Void Elf profitably?
I guess Shaq.
Good, but he's already able to get through a lot of them.
Well I think he might have also gone Void Elf.
Trill could too, but he also got Transcend.
Can't Demon Hunter just double jump dash over him?
maybe. Oh yes we've seen the the nice memes yeah where he's a
vengeful as well. Yeah double jump VR over. Yeah the priests I think are the
ones that are profiting the most from Void Elf. Oh yeah. They've swapped. Oh yeah.
Paladin would too but I don't think Paladins can be Void Elves. It's been
good I feel like in the first two hours of the day to make some progress on the
fight like insanely good progress you can still see themkins are still
Absolute gods and kiwan because nobody everyone else trying to focus retching retching boss damage, right?
Of course
They're just letting the moonkins do the damage and people can funnel if they want to but
So so a big a big notion yesterday is that like
Some stuff couldn't swap with the comp it looks like they just loaded in with pretty much the exact same comps
They were parking on oath last reset. I've heard whispers of
A lot of discussions about potential comp swaps last night
There's a lot of discussion about Ellie shaman versus yeah
same for Echo as well. Echo was like, we're tearing up the Rat Pally, we're gonna play the Rat Pally,
they played it for three pulls and then they're back to their original comp from last week.
So I think there were a couple of thoughts about changing comps for both guilds,
but everybody's kind of locked down and is like, no, no, no, this will work. This is our best bet.
What we've done these first 200 pulls on is how we're gonna end this.
I actually want to check what method are up to though, because I don't know if they've made any adjustments to their first few hundred pulls comp.
It is interesting though that the guilds have come up with different solutions to the problem here and we'll have to see which one ends up being the idea.
The difference between Rep-Hound and LA Shaman in particular is that LA Shaman is a very heavy 2-minute burst back, which means they're going to have good damage for every single heart phase.
It's still clearly one of the best cooldowns in the game for doing burst damage.
They're going to do good AoE damage as well, so they're going to be very useful in the intermissions in particular.
You can't quake that many of the eggs in P1 or in that egg burn during the coil slams in the P2 to P3 of the mission
But their overall should be pretty solid
I think I think Rhett should edge out on boss damage, especially if they're able to leverage that single target funnel that they get through their execution
What do we know about Echo though, Drannos? What are we looking at?
Well, I was looking at Method comp because they I know that Echo basically
Played three bowls with a Rhett Pally and then took it back out
Method did swap from Rhett Resto Shaman to Holy Paladin, Ellie Shaman, so moving from basically the liquid configuration to the echo configuration.
I mean intuitively I feel like the echo config, like the elemental shaman intuitively seems like it's a pretty good balance of not only AoE for some of the hard parts,
the phase 2 egg breaks, even on pull you can ascendence, and then it has still extremely good like ascendence while it did get nerfed coming into this patch in terms of its power.
It still should have extremely large burst and like extremely spiky nature just by how elemental shun it works.
I believe Echo is also running two hunters right?
Yeah, so Echo for three pulls, they sat the second hunter for the rep pally,
And then they were like no we're bringing back in the hunter
Four in our car, but does they also they presumably have a holy palette of it already?
Yeah, they already have the holy palette in so we have an extra rogue. I think
So two roads instead of two hunters. I
Think that those are probably those three plus. Yeah, rogue is yeah extremely good. So yeah, the differences between the
three guilds in summary are
Same tanks everybody's on double blood decay. Yeah the healer team everybody's on two present vokers
Everybody's on a holy grease. We are on the rest of shaman and both of the European guilds are on the holy paladin
Okay, everybody's on one warrior
Us and method are on two roads
Whereas echo are only playing one echo are playing the wind walker and everybody's playing one walker actually
Everybody's playing the havoc DH. We are the only ones on the rep Pali because of course they're playing the holy Pali and we aren't
Everybody's on two mages. Everybody's on two boonkins.
Us and Method are on one Beast Mastery Hunter, whereas Echo are on two Marksmanship Hunters.
Everybody's on one Shadow Priest. The other guilds are on the LA Shamans, because they don't have a Restor Shaman.
And then everybody is on one Demoloc now and one Agavoka.
I do think that, I mean, Hunter Atlas is a big proponent of the Hunter.
And you even said that is insanely high boss.
So unbelievably good on the heart.
The M.M. is great for the heart, and also the second hunter does get to mark Ullatech instead of the venomous heart during the burn phase,
which is nice as well, right? That's pretty sizable. Hunter's Mark, pretty big deal to have access to, even on two targets, right?
It's a little diluted compared to how good it is on, you know, that first Hunter's Mark is way better than the second,
but the second is still very much earning its key when it comes to a raid buff here.
When you think of that as the second Hunter's Mark, it's extremely valuable on P1, because you can always mark the boss plus the tail.
the tail, and the boss or the wrench.
Obviously it's good for the heart phase in particular, but with one Hunter you could
just swap the mark to the heart.
Right, so the second Hunter gets to put it on ULTech itself, which is still valuable.
But it's only for 20 seconds that you're missing out on it.
But that is during your highest first damage, so there's a little bit of a...
I can see the vision behind it, I think it's also just the best heart damage.
Maybe it's the only losing out to an Arcane Mage on the heart damage.
Yeah, especially if you have enough power infusions to apply one to each hunter, which they do, they have of course the Shadow Priest,
and the Holy Priest, there are two power infusions in for everybody.
So who do you think is sitting in the tower infusions here? Do you think it's just a hunter plus a mage?
Well, we have a Beast Mastery Hunter.
Oh, so it's probably not a master mage?
Probably not the hunter, yeah.
Might just be double mage?
It might be.
Or are you talking about an on-pull or are you talking about...
On the heart.
On the heart specifically.
Yeah.
They probably, they probably have someone else on-pull.
They probably have mage on-pull.
then mage on heart, then mage on second heart, then your six minute PI can be any really good
plus. It can be like start of P3 so honestly it could go on mage again. Yeah, that could be a
nice lineup for a wind walker PI. Could go on a walker? Could go on a walker? One walker
choice. One walker PI got extremely nerfed, I mean last patch. That's true, yeah, it's
on last patch, it's good. It's patching out as much, but yeah, I hope that you
want it on the PM Hunter, nor do you want it on the Rogue, so yeah, I think maybe you
you just throw out on the majors again and they're gonna be sitting on that
surgeon anyways it's not like you can hit a 130 surgeon in the point in the
middle of the fight it's a little weird yeah it's an awkward fight for a lot of
cool down timings a lot of opportunity to optimize all right we've got the ad
soak so this ad soak is actually fairly easy because they're just doing it
before they pick up the majority of these eggs hopeful singing yeah zoom is
yesterday too it's a you know it's good way to lock in close to it well and if
you if you have a song who you know the like beats per minute of you can sync
that to like the wave dodges right or the oh so it was that when you're doing CPR
and you do staying alive to like know how often you're supposed to do the chest
compressions it's the same thing for the display that makes sense that he plays
payphone on repeat over again to make sure that he knows when to press his
missiles at the optimal time so what is he listening to he has his
Just going to go and look to a spot if I just managed to get everybody into that
stretch and here comes the lust burn in T1. I mean this looks great. Yeah they
have everything already under the boss those missiles flying from hopeful
there and fired up over on the other side very very nice setup. Easy waves as
well. It could be the circle yeah I mean the the dot that you're tanking
as well during this phase is really awkward for the uh the blood decay 62.4 was the percent
that i saw there that's the best that is the best we've seen yeah up we go now we're gonna
watch hopeful's perspective over here on the east that's the only girl in the world thank
you hopeful
look at that scream shot at the bottom left
let's go
first two eggs molted
and turned into Rawlings
he's in the chorus right now
I can tell I can read the lyrics
now that I know the song
I can see it
that's a good one
it's a five stack
deleted add-ons, somehow they have a timer on top of these adds for when they're...
It is mysterious. It really makes you think.
It really does make you think. Here comes the next shadow mold. Are we gonna get the
eggs activated? Nope, we're not gonna have to deal with that, so we're gonna
set pick these up. A little bit of an awkward spot here, but hopeful. Lines up
a beautiful blink. So this movement, like this was a lot of what they were
talking about today. It's just like how to get these eggs deposited on time
Because I think that that movement while intuitively you just kind of want to rush through this entire phase and get these eggs positive asap
That's not the best strategy
There's actually kind of a lot of movement associated with it to the point where they actually changed up
Who is carrying some of the egg now hopeful is carrying egg on this side?
And I believe that dry knee is actually carrying the egg on the other side
Yeah, they're doing scale eggs
So we'll see if he goes or maybe they've adjusted it just to do a healer on this side as well
Oh interesting. It looks like it's an evoker over here Nick out of range on hopefuls frames. So oh
had a
Doom scale catastrophe a fully grown one hatching here
That's not how that's supposed to go
So a little bit late on the egg pickup or maybe somebody got hit by one of the green circles while carrying
They just didn't pick up as hard as you can see it spawned at 100% HP. Yeah
Yeah, well, I think if you get hit with a green circle when you're carrying the doomscale like that will also happen
Which it can can happen. I'll keep you guys updated on the hopeful playlist
GG think he's playing girly pop right now, dude. He is. Yeah vibing right now. Oh, it's a big stretch as well
So that was a really good push. That was nice P1. It was a nice P1. It was a nice start at P2
Wait, are you twins?
You weren't the same thing
You got the old race to world first Lura
World yeah, yeah merch on the hoodie. I think so. Yeah pointing. I
I think that's actually still available at tl.gd slash rwf. I checked earlier the t-shirt's still there
Oh, yeah, that's a good one. I would pick that one up if you have it. That's one of my favorites
I've heard it is the place to go for all your team liquid apparel needs mm-hmm things such as hoodies shirts
And we thought we talked to we talked to the merchant last week. He's like, yeah, you can see merches. Oh
Yeah, tl merch we have the okay tl.gd slash rwf check it out
You too can be like hopeful
well like 1% of the way to being like yeah but you know he is the only hopeful
in the world the journey of 100 miles does begin with a single step let's see
you're song soon new song soon it's almost over 20 seconds left on the girl in
the world
we're going to for those in chat wondering what our timer is it's the
time between poles we're tracking how long it takes them to get the next
full ago I think that this is it it's unlikely to be a 20 minute break but
there's likely to be a decent amount of discussion all right let's see what
Hopeful's new song proc is what's he queued up to next?
Carpenter please please please
You can see
He knows a banger has come on the radio. Oh
Yeah, the head
This is a lead
He's in pure vibes mode right now, I love it.
Max is talking about strategies and egg carrying and hopeful's got no bother in the world.
There it is.
This is peak.
Hopeful does have a very good music taste.
Yeah.
He's got a good EDM banger playlist.
He's got the girly pop playlist.
He's got a lot of good music.
up in his chair. But yeah, I would be shocked if they talk about egg-carrying again a little
bit. Of all the times to actually make a pleasant pleasant fucking go-hopeful. Yes, so good.
You might not like it, but this is absolutely what peak performance looks like.
does he sit in his own room someone asked to chat nope nope he's got boys
guys boys all around that's right it's in the pro lab I don't know how loud he
sings though if he's like you know just I don't think he's singing if I have
the words you think so from his perspective facing this computer he
has to keep to his left fired up right behind him splat is over his right
shoulder oh yeah you can see all right here yeah that is where it is right no
wait oh yeah top that's in the top right yeah yeah yeah of course I got you
right bopping along we got Atlas and chat says hello from his and then a word
that is censored j omega little j omega little b that's right star b star b
Of course, THD on the far left there with John Pork on the monitor, the Pro Lab.
THD asked John Pork what can he do for me?
Who do we have in the back this time?
Uh, Goop.
Goop is there?
Oh yeah, Goop moved there.
He's usually in one of the side rooms.
Yeah, that was Atlas' old spot, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Folding him down.
Next lip.
I think Exile and Trill are normally over there.
Yeah, that's on him.
Exile's at home though this time.
Yeah.
What happened with that? He was going to come this time?
Yeah, probably.
Yeah, I think depending on the length of the race, he might have been able to play some of the POA2 races.
That might have been it. He might have wanted to play in the second POA2 race to qualify.
Yeah, which was not possible.
Did not qualify, unfortunately. He played the first two.
Yeah.
So we couldn't play three and four.
What happened?
So Path of Exile 2 has ran a series of these races to qualify you to ExileCon, which is like their blues con, but for their game instead of our game.
Okay.
they exile of course elite in that game too.
He would have been able to make one of them
if the race had ended at a regular time,
but it didn't, so.
Okay.
Like, what would it be today?
I think there was one in the last two weekends,
so if it had ended sometime in the second reset,
I think he could have played in that final qualifier.
Dude, you and I were talking about this last night.
I am still shocked at the fact
that they made this raid this difficult,
this close and proximity to BlizzCon.
Well, they just knew we were already in LA,
so they're just making sure we stay,
so we don't have to fly out in there.
That's right.
of them. They're being very nice. Well, Atlas says my supervisor made brownies for me to bring
tonight. Lock in for that. Oh, the casters. Locking it in. No, it's for the casters. I'm
agreeing. Surely. Thank you, Snapple. Be nice to Atlas, please, by the way. Oh, we got a new
club banger queued up from hopefully we're gonna never say never J. B. From the Bebes.
All right. Second most famous J. B. In the land. Oh, there he goes. Just
Belting it out. Let's get our
Shacks probably sit next to him thinking. What are you doing?
No shack is probably vibing right along with him
Although shack is more known to be the kind of guy who just plays one song on repeat over. I love I love hitting a good repeat
Yeah, shack and I during lunch the other day. I was standing him and I were sitting there talking
He goes I have to show you something. He sits down on his computer opens up YouTube
Tag world championships me him and dry and you were watching the tag world champion
I see the words like they're in like an arena with those obstacles, yeah, that's good content.
Because this is peak content.
That is.
Let's take a look.
What's your cube listening to?
He's got some EDM on, he's got Calvin Harris, feels so close to.
Ooh, that's a good one.
That's a good one.
Wait.
He's got a star shramming again.
I saw a question in chat, what are the item levels now?
Maybe we can take a look at that while we wait for the next pull.
A ready check is just here.
Oh, ready check.
Okay, this is going to have to be a speed run, but if you want a quick look
at the eye level of all three guilds right now, I've sorted it by item level.
Highest in the world right now, Wallife, the myth of the mists, and then we've got a couple other ones
Doing pretty well as well, Lip and Exile both 327, same with THD and fired up and Nick
And then a range of eye levels from 326 down to anarchy. Anarchy is wearing a veil gore
We're in a veil gore still at 323. I think that's that might still just be really good for him
Yeah, he's also got the fang of umbral malignance. Also an insanely good augment. It is just an augt drink it, I believe
Yeah, you can see that. We've got it on methods. Oh, as well. He's probably and not actually on echoes
Oh, who is their highest eye level there?
28 for them deep shades the big item of a guy for method almost myth of the mists, but not quite
Yeah, three thirty point nine is right there, but method and echo
None of them have the myth of the mists like we do wall life with every single item in this patch
It's uh, it's said that every time liquid wipes will attack lutes wall life
Corpse for some extra gear. Oh
Booby's got some post Malone going
Okay, let's see anyone else jamming out right now
Here's a look at some of wall life's
Equipment we've got the vault maze Roa from the Great Vault a nice little surprise
open that up there. I mean, but can I interest you further in Zul'jan's 344
guillotine technique? What about the chess piece? Also not bad, yeah, 344
chess piece, the curious of the J Warlord, and he's also, if you're wondering
though, he also has a cloak that is 344 with avoidance.
Double the burst bonus, right? Yeah, I mean, don't, a humble 344 avoidance piece
to round out the equipment set on Wall Life there.
Oh, Yps is feeling particularly raging today, seems.
Ooh, what's Yps listening to?
He's got some Metallica going.
Ooh!
Got the remastered InterSaint man on right now.
Oh, yeah, the one from Stranger Things.
Yeah, it was nice of them to make a whole, like, lore of a band for that movie.
Oh my god, hopefully it's just running straight bangers right now.
What's he on?
Bad romance.
Oh!
Straight bangers!
I feel like that's it. I feel like if you've got a the right amount of haste that can be perfect to just be
Imagine slamming a global on every every beat of that one
When chat says Metallica is ragey question mark some of it in all
Yeah, I'm a big metalhead. I like radioactive by imagine dragons
Now I heard that was like wow this goes hard like this. There's just a degree of like rage and
you know, just raw human soul in this music that awakens something in me.
The only rage you're reducing is rage baiting, I think.
I think the crazy thing about Imagine Dragons is you could look at any group of like three male adults anywhere
and that could be Imagine Dragons and people just wouldn't know.
Could be us here on the couch.
Or we could be Imagine Dragons.
What's up, Zyro?
It was not the only one that hurt that.
It's here in my head, so from production to Imagine Dragon Dees.
Big on you.
Alright.
That chat's also independently coming up with that joke.
What a surprise.
Wow.
Ahhhh.
Give me Bloodlust in here in a couple seconds.
Yeah, this is going to be the last.
So in Heroic you usually hit the Lust at around 1, uh, sorry, at 205.
On Mythic you do need to delay it slightly because the Spell Key was actually slightly
delayed on Mythic as well, so it's about 210 that you end up hitting the Lust here.
Oh, this is sketchy.
Oh!
Do we, no Vipers.
Actually, yeah, but the last time on Heroic is 155, it's the pot that is at 230.
got one Viper. Okay, maybe still winnable. The lust is rolling that will help heal through this.
The question is, who's that healing absorbed jump going to be targeted on? I think it's maybe
already gone off, so I think we're okay. Okay, yeah, there it goes. It just did a sleep over
there on the side. It looked like two trill. I think they were able to bomb the healing into him.
Okay. Whenever the Viper dies, the debuff doesn't go away as well, right? That's permanent.
yeah the egg yolk hour long thought yeah that one is permanent okay it's not
like an or that's actually like
oh couple more people going down looking like it's gonna be a wife
I was hitting with with an alert but might have gotten baited by something
Yeah, the hot fix has got updated with all the raid hot fixes that went in yesterday
But none of it is I think new
The new change for anybody following along today is there was a small phase 2 and intermission nerf to Ulotec here
They nerfed the damage of the tether break in key 2 by 25 percent
Which is significant
It's not transformative to that phase I would say but it is making the healing a lot easier
And then they nerfed the duration of the dot that prevents you from soaking extra
Coil slams and that intermission on mythic you get eight of those and they're in pretty quick
Pretty quick succession you weren't previously able to get every other
You could only reliably get every third and now you can get every other because that debuff is five seconds down from six
Now people in chat are quoting you and saying small lol 25%
Why I get the exact same way they're not changing anything
The reason it's a small nerf is because of what Dryon said, it's not transformative to the fight at all.
Yeah, from context, I was expecting that Phase 2 needed to get like 20% of the health taken off of the egg or something.
You still believe that?
I was thinking that Phase was not gated by healing, but was gated by damage.
But it is worth mentioning that they are now having healers doing a run that maybe wouldn't have been possible if they needed to, you know,
you know, expend all of their resources to survive so maybe they're able to
move the healing off and then that means that the healers can do the egg run
and then that's sort of a round about way of making it a damage nerf
but I still think that phase without lust
is one of the hardest parts of the fight. Do you think it still needs nerf?
I guess it's another question because it's still... I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up getting another one
later this reset. Yeah, it's a question of if everybody is able to make progress or not.
Yeah. Oh, that's the wretch.
Yeah, Britney Spears crazy.
You drive me crazy.
Somebody says, please tell me it's toxic.
No, not quite, but it is.
It is Britney.
I don't know if he was alive for that one.
That's that's that's late nineties, right?
No, this goes.
It's Britney looks me dead at the eyes.
It's like I was just wondering.
I'm just wondering if you wanted to, you know, take what I was offering you.
It's with the eye brush. I think everybody knew what you meant.
Travis just threw up the L.E.U. for you, Tendles. Tendles, and you just threw it away.
You just said, I don't want that.
It is worth discussing the nerf timing as well, because obviously anytime a nerf lands
is one guild is going to bed and the other is waking up.
It's usually good news for the guild that is waking up, not always.
The Razageth nerf was an example of that, then it being killable the following pull.
Usually you'd actually be shot after Razageth, it was the craziest thing ever.
But typically if there is a nerf you want to be the guild that's waking up to it,
not the guild that has progressed the free nerf version all day.
But when it comes to a nerf timing like this, it tends to not decide the race
if it is this early in progression, right? When the nerf came in, pests were 70, 60%.
80% hot feet actually actually playing that perfectly to not spawn in advance. Yeah, I've gotten info by the way in case you're curious
I've received the intro I asked the question. I wasn't expecting an answer
Hopeful yeah, we had a corn three months after the song came out. He was not alive for when you drive the crazy came out
fortunately
Well
yeah, the
The thing about the nerf timings as well this year is like, you know, you look at the cobalter nerf timings
It's like one of them was done at 8 p.m. For us, which is unfortunate for us
One of them was done at 8 p.m. For them which unfortunate for them, right? There's no unfortunately blizzard doesn't have the power to
Do a nerf at a time that won't be better for one guild versus the others
Personally, I just wish blizzard was omnipotent and have the numbers dialed
Ideally they would just make the tune and good in the first place
And my biggest fear is actually that there will need to be more nerfs if because if there do need to be more nerfs
The later it happens in the you know life cycle of the boss the more impactful it will be on being decisive, right?
Whatever we were talking about like HP nerfs, right?
You and I were talking about HP nerfs last night
I feel like the best time to actually HP nerf anything related to the boss was surrounding the reset because you're gonna be getting additional gear and
Liquid's case you're also gonna be getting additional Vantage runes. Echo got a few more players with Vantage runes as well
And so that felt like it was a more natural time as well to slam down a nerf to HP of stuff, right?
where everybody kind of has a similar progression, but now
It depending on the nerf to it like to be you can be a kingmaker if you're blizzard in this case where we have seen it twice before
Razgath, Razgath and Queen of Jara
Yeah, those were the two times that blizzard really was kingmaker on on timing of nursing and how large the nursery were
Players hate whenever that happens. It is actually just not especially at the end of such a long race
It would be such a tragic way for it to end
But if I could have a killable dooming in chat about like liquid killing it while echo or asleep
I don't think there's any danger of liquid killing this boss before I know they got them
I don't think there's much danger of us killing it in the next 24 hours
They would have to have a generational day of progression and the boss would need to be in a killable state
Which we're not even sure if it and p3 would need to be so much easier than it looks from just the first few overlaps
And remember they're gonna have to do that phase for many minutes with many more overlaps of those mechanics that
Nobody has figured out how to get past the first overlaps of yeah, I think like in an ideal world
I don't even think you can you can think about seeing the end of p3 today. I think seeing oh, no
I think no yeah, I think that's why I think that the end of p3 is gonna be like a mid tomorrow late tomorrow
Early Thursday early Friday like some kind of thing like that even
Because yeah this fight even just reliably making it there is so hard. Can I say something by the way?
Listen, I is it safe to say this. Yeah, well, baby. I don't know what I feel like we have the first miss on hopefuls play
What you got I mean, is it okay if you think it's okay for me to say this out loud?
Oh, am I gonna get crucified for this you're gonna get some hatred at least from for me for me
I don't listen love Taylor Swift. She's got some bangers. I don't think fate of Ophelia was was I think
That was the only good song on that album. I think it was the only passable song in the album
I don't think I don't think I heard kind of like it was necessarily good. I
I like that song.
I think it's fine.
I'm too strong, this isn't a pin thing, right?
I don't think any of us would be for liking that song.
I will say, the majority of the Taylor Swift in my rotation is the 1989
reputation era.
Not as much of the most recent few.
I'm personally not much of a Swifty year, so my opinion probably shouldn't matter to most people.
Shouldn't really matter to anyone, to be honest.
Tell us what you take on on the fate of Ophelia. I didn't listen to any of that new album like at all
Yeah, you got at least
You gotta give it one listen. Yeah, you gotta have an opinion
That's the world we live in tells you're not allowed to just stand by and sit on the fence
Sorry, I was role playing as dratness of the potty C every week listen
Taylor Swift comes out with like she's got 20 generational songs
You've got to listen to all her new albums at least every song at least once that's the rule
I don't make it. I don't know. Yeah, I just never I heard that the album was like
Okay, and then I was like, yeah, I'm not gonna listen to it. Okay Taylor Swift album. I
Shouldn't have been surprised that you are somebody whose music opinions are based on what you've heard other people say about the songs
No, okay, can I say something? I think that was a good music case
And I'm and I'm somebody who's
Written in a car in his car a lot with them. We used to drive to the MPS
studios every day. Yeah, like six weeks. He's got a lot of good rock songs from like
the 2010s. Yeah, I got stuck in 2006. I think that like my chemical romance. Yeah. Yeah.
Lincoln Park. Next song. Katy Perry. Oh, that's a good one. That's up there. That's
a good one. A lot of good songs that are like karaoke songs. You can kind of sing
along to as you play in the fight. While your team disintegrates around you.
This isn't every Taylor Swift's own generation? No, only like 20. She's made like 400. It's
not that many of them. Yeah.
A lot of really good ones. This fight is so hard. It's Gula by the way. Fight for her.
What's the, what's the key Katy Perry song? Is it still Firework? Or is it California
Girls? Hot and Cold. Hot and Cold.
Let's say hot and cold yeah, yeah cold California girls pretty iconic that entire like 2011 kissed a girl
That's that's kind of up there, right?
I see someone the chat said that
Someone's like star course. Yeah, dark horse. I feel like it's one of the more
One of the least like her other songs to instruments. They are yeah, for sure now and yeah, I think that that was probably the most popular
That album was insane I
I
Remember that summer Katy Perry and LMFAO occupied the radio
Talk about one hit wonder I don't even think they were wondering wonder. I think that I think that one of their songs was I
Think it was like the one of the longest songs on the billboard top 100 at number one. Yeah that summer
Sorry for party rocking. I don't think it was as popular as the first one, right?
It might have stood out.
I think the first big song was like shots, right?
Oh, was it?
And so...
Someone says that's where the male
pandaren dance comes from.
Is it from LMFAO?
I don't know.
Is that right?
It might be. I could see it.
Little dance break they do in the middle.
That's good lore.
That is good, Lord.
Alright, looks like a break time has been placed an 8-minuter.
Means we'll pause our timer for the between-pulls challenge.
As you do.
Little orange dreams, simple sip.
Ooh, little orange dreams. Well, don't mind if we do.
Subtle's rosiers.
Oh, I got a little water.
You got a water?
Got water.
And still cheers you.
I don't know.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Did you see Mr. John Monster in chat earlier?
Cheers to you, sir.
KSP, did you go Void Elf?
Okay, he says yes. All right. So the I read that somewhere but now it's been confirmed from KSP himself
Yeah, Void Elf not bad. I feel like yeah Void Elf
It just opens up opportunities for a lot of like get out of jail free situations with the waves specifically if you ever have to
Carry an egg or alternatively if you have to dodge somebody else who's carrying an egg
Yeah, because you can't shadow step reliably to somebody else you could try shadow stepping the tank
I know that we're doing that for a while
But you know the tanks are also often in a little bit of a spot
You don't want to be like that in that entire corridor as well
Throwing your void elf down that corridor and then straight to the cauldron and just taking it dunking your egg in
It's great because it removes the amount of things that other people have to dodge as well each person that you can get
Taking a different path is one less person, right? It's like the la highways, right?
If you can get somebody else off of the highway, it's everybody who still has to use the high
What if we just made 25 more lanes could fix it the 25th lane could be the that could be the one
Okay, so what it was just someone half of the LA highway and put in one more lane someone's lived in Houston adding more lanes doesn't work
No, no, no, I've driven the Katie freeway doesn't work. This one additional lane is going to really push us over the edge and allow
The 24th lane really doesn't help that much. I promise you
I'm gonna make a brave defense of the extra lanes, but first we've got a trans log to check out
Loomi here
This does look like a DK. Yeah
little venthyr E-Blog. Let's go.
It's a cool one. I'm better than nobody else in chat. This is a 10 out of 10 for me.
I like the sword. The red glowy illusion. I like the wings as well.
as well yeah like I think this dark ranger customization is it kind of hard to see
for me this distance but I think so I think this is really cool yeah I'm fine
with it 8.5 I like fiery E-circuit as well because everything else is red so I
like the being a bit of an accent color up there
what do you think it tells I'm a 10 this is great all right I'm gonna go with
9. Thank you, Loomi. Very cool. Thank you very much.
Chat says 8, 6, 8. Okay, so what were you going to make a
brave stance about? Alright, here's the thing about the
extra lanes on the highway. If you have five lanes of traffic,
right, and it takes you an hour to get somewhere, and then you
add a sixth lane, and it still takes you an hour to get
there. Yeah. 20% more people are getting where they want to
go or 18%, right, are getting where they want to go,
Right like more people are able to go somewhere even if everybody's journey is still the same length
Each lane you're adding is more people that are actually able to then use the highway
But was it worth to actually shut down three of the lanes to build this additional lane?
Whatever you shut down those three lanes for like four months, you know, it is possible to do that faster
But if we live in a world where we can't build a bus or a train or something like that, which why can't we do?
I don't know why I don't know why we live in that world, but in LA we do
Then the extra lanes are at least helping people be able to get somewhere instead of having to you know
Why would you build trains or buses and stuff like that when you can just build more lanes on the road?
That's right. That's right. It's Doug a really really really big tunnel
Hang on you might be cooking. I think the important thing is to start a company off that idea
But develop it no further just have that be the the idea of the company
Okay, I have another idea
What if we started shooting rockets in the space, but we didn't do anything else. We just shot the rockets in the space
I think that's also a good idea. Okay
We'll have to keep workshopping this one later. I mean the thing is like technically a two-lane highway two lanes going both directions should work
Right, you have your slow lane, you have your fast lane. Yeah, you've got these people these
Idiots in front of me in the fast lane that are just going the speed limit. What are you guys doing?
I'm always in my car being a good normal person and then everybody else around me is traffic. Exactly
But I'm just an honorable driver trying to get somewhere, surrounded by all this traffic.
It's crazy because you, whatever you have to go somewhere, it's very important.
Exactly.
But all these people surrounding you, they're just nuisance.
Why don't they simply get out of my way so I can go where I want to go, is my question.
Yeah, you know what, you're right.
Thank you for giving me a platform, and you know what, thank you to Team Liquid
for giving me a platform to express my brave takes on
transformation.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Here's another thing.
Why don't they make more Zeplins in these new expansion packs?
That's a good question.
How come it's all portals everywhere?
Why don't we go back to classic when you have to get on boat to go somewhere?
I mean, I think that Dragon Riding shall also be deleted and flying while we're
at it.
Delete Dragon Riding?
We should go back to the era of the ground mount.
No, but delete Dragon Riding, but give us 900% regular moves to do mounts.
This is a house.
This is a house!
Wow!
This is something!
Did you guys see the guy with the server rack room that we had the other day?
No, I didn't see that one either.
This is so cool though.
From impending elic invasion, we have a dark portal, not just a dark portal theme, but
like the invasion of Azeroth of elix.
That is so cool.
Very cool.
That is one of the coolest exeries I've ever seen for a house.
I think the plot that they chose as well is like the perfect color for this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This is in Razor Wind Shores.
I think I know this plot as well.
Yeah, it's a nice...
I think this is like that secluded one off over in the top right of the map.
It's rare that I'm like, oh yeah, the plot actually made the difference here, but I
think it's like the ground color.
It doesn't look like glassed land, it's asque.
Yeah.
Very well done.
Thank you.
This is extremely cool.
Amazing.
I bet your neighbors are a bit concerned about what's going on here.
Well, the nice part about this plot is your neighbors can't really see your house.
It's one of the most secluded ones.
Oh, okay.
You can set up your invasion in secrecy.
See someone in chat asking for the song name.
It's Derude Sandstorm.
Ah, 2011 Twitch games.
Song name?
No, it's actually Sea Shanty 2 trap remix.
Ocean Man trap remix.
So maybe we want to again go over the nerfs that landed to this boss a couple hours ago.
That could be a thing to catch up chat on what's been going on here.
Going on here.
I saw the Echo Twitter account was not happy about these nerfs.
They just tweeted a laughing emoji.
Yeah, just ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
It's almost demoralizing, right?
To progress the boss that's really hard,
and then have it nerfed right into your own bed
and the other teams waking up, like,
it's an unfortunate experience.
I will say, compared to the size of nerfs,
I was expecting this boss would need to receive this reset.
This is not as many as I thought it was going to need.
So I hope that means this is all it needs,
and we don't need another round later.
That's the hope.
But yeah, they reduced the damage of the tether snaps
in P2 by 25.7%.
So effectively, when you snap that five-sack,
it now feels like a four-sack used to,
which is a lot less healing, right?
You still need to use all your walls
and, you know, links and darkens and stuff.
The other nerf was to Soul Constrictor,
which is what happens when you soak
those tail slams in the intermission.
That went from six seconds down to five,
Which means you can now reliably soak every other instead of needing to soak every third.
Which means you can reduce the damage a lot more, although it does mean, you know, if you want to be soaking every other, you've got to be motoring across the platform.
Do you think they're still going to use the add-on to kind of tell them where to go?
Yeah, for sure.
Because I think that that, like, stops the need of an add-on for guilds that will stay there in the future.
And I think the most mobile people now might be able to soak four instead of three coils in that intermission,
which might free up more characters to soak zero.
It's kind of annoying to pick up friends of ochre, can maybe just stand in the middle and actually make some dream breaths.
Maybe it makes it more...
So the eggs you do want to pop at the end as well?
You'd rather pop them early, but you haven't broken them out early.
You kind of need to get a bunch of them in to those six, seven, and eight coils.
I want to talk about this. Can we have a replay queued up, actually, of their...
Or maybe this is asking a lot of you guys.
Can we watch a replay of their longest pull? I want to see if they actually changed the way they were soaking the coils in that intermission.
Because it just happened in front of the pole.
It was like an hour ago now right that pole.
We could look at it on the VOD tool.
Let's look at the VOD tool. Go back and find it.
Yeah, here. Do you want to try the Alienware?
Yeah. Let me drive the car for a bit.
Go to the VOD tool.
How many lanes do we have?
We just took up like three of the lanes.
16?
like about each core of the process yeah there's the lanes yeah how many cores are
in those the MV chips these days 32 it's a lot that depends on which one a lot
yeah good let's take a look this is their longest pole from today seven minutes
long fast forward a little bit
I've got the energy POV with a little yeah look at the bottom left love that
so let's take a look and see if they change their strategy for the coil
soaps here so this is the intermission phase if those of you haven't seen it on
mythic there are eight slams instead of six they happen quite fast so here we go
we can see okay yeah one is it blue one of blue on the far okay star just went
off we're looking at what anarchy so so he's soaking blue yeah but it's look at
the add on the middle of the screens telling him where to go still and then
he's gonna get x in five they're still soaking every three okay but yeah they
I did push an add on an update about half an hour ago, I wonder if they...
So maybe they've changed since this pull to get some more, some people to soak more than that?
Yeah.
Because the maximum reduction in damage comes from getting 8 people into one of these soaks.
They've just been doing less than that and being okay, but if you did want to reduce
the total raid damage you would get 8 people into each soak, and you could maybe set
that up by having some people that go into every other, and some people that only
go into one, two or three inside that entire phase.
So yeah, it was only like two things that were nerfed.
it was the ability to deal with it.
And then the tether snap damage.
Yeah, it was that and the tether snap damage,
which is pretty small on the scope of the actual fight.
If they start hitting egg HP or wretch health
or the boss itself, those are like, okay,
now we're starting to talk about actually
pretty consequential nerfs.
My take is I don't think boss HP is actually
gonna be the right way to nerf this boss.
I think it is ad HP.
Ad HP is this thing that it controls
the entirety of the fight.
It also controls your composition
significantly as well but and so the the less HP that the ads have the more
flexible you can be with like what you were doing on the boss. The thing about
the thing about ads is that it is one of the most optimizable types of damage yeah
we've seen ad dependent fights being ones where you know you think about
N'zoth and Queen Ancerac these are both encounters where you're enraging at
20% and you're like how do we ever do to all this damage and the answer is
you just are more efficient with how you cleave down ads and that is a huge
lever for race world first guilds when it comes to optimizing so yeah my hope is
that there don't need to be any nerfs to any of those things all I'm gonna say is
nobody is mad about the lurk leave nerf and that one was substantially larger than
this one yeah if this was a 25% health nerf instead of a damage to tether's
nerf well I'm going home I can understand the rage tomorrow there
would be substantial outrage but like for example if this nerf was applied
as liquid was going to bed I would be like huh that's a weird time for that
to go in doesn't really do much though yeah I mean I think there's care you know
you all it's always disappointing when it comes after a full day of proud right
like they're always like the sucks I feel like I'm always kind of disappointed
whenever Boston's get nerfed just in general yeah exactly and you know there
is there is no good nerf timing for everybody this one was more
beneficial to us yeah which is something but you know in the scheme of
nerfs that would decide a race I don't think it's hard to imagine that we
look back at this race and are like I have a nerf timing of that P2 nerf on
the Wednesday, that was when the race changed our liquid also got that three
different nerfs that happened to quilt alter that echo didn't have for a couple
of attempts that eventually got rolled back so that's interesting I actually
think that that was detrimental to us and detrimental to method who tried to
foreheal a fight that was not nerfed before but I think relative to echo
we were you know if you end up getting to progress a nerf version of the
boss and then they rebuff it now I think that's worse I actually I think you
would never choose for that to happen right like if somebody offered to you
hey do you want to fight the heroic version of this boss for a little bit
and then go back to do mythic you'd be like no that's awful
yeah yeah you know wrapping up that conversation because it's gonna be
something that people bring up a lot in chat because yeah and they cannot be
If they ever feel like they've been wronged, so we try as we might just just think about the lure nerf timing with the glaives last season
Ultimately it was for the health
It was for the best thing for the boss and for the consistency of the fight and the reason blizzard doesn't like this right?
It's like they like to make these bosses
Crazy hard they like to make them so hard that they don't know if we're able to do them in the release version
Look at like a good pull here
We're actually gonna be able to make it into this intermission where the boss is now taking double damage
Bloodlust is rolling. How low is the boss going to get up? I believe the last time we actually saw this burn with 20 players alive and no Viper, it was down to 62-ish percent.
Are they going to be able to get a little bit lower than that right now?
Let's see, 5 seconds left from the damage amp. Last couple ticks of damage coming out from the red squad here is 63, maybe a little lower, 63.8.
Again, not what we think they need to be at for a kill range, but for the time being, consistency in P2 is really what we're looking for.
45 after second burn. Yeah, I think so that probably means about 60 ish on that first burn something in that range
So the biggest change to the tether nerf that we're going to discuss here
The only thing the tether nerf really allows you to do is more leniency with your healers right for a while there
The strategy is to send your mage off to the other platform to get that ravenous doom scale egg
What they can do now is instead of sending a mage
Changes it because it's way after all that's what it anyways
But maybe it means that people are just feeling generally safer or they've been topped
You know for a while when otherwise they wouldn't have been yeah, you can see that first stack
So this stack is taking 25% less than it otherwise would have even still a KSP gonna cheat here
And now here comes the raid CDs every day actually doing another one. Okay, oh no, it's five
Sorry, it's a five. It's a five, but KSP is down. The KSP is getting battle rest here instantly still fine
Yeah, it's up to cheat and beer as used there. We're gonna have another resin 40, but they've now dealt with all the tethers
and it just clutches off.
A bunch of eggs, yeah, unfortunately that cast does go off and we can see on the Raid Frames now
there's been a Viper spawned as well.
Yeah, this is it.
I think it's an other side Viper, but that...
They will be dying very shortly.
It will affect us on this side as well.
And Ulu-Tek's still showing up.
So the check we barely missed on this side was killing the Warden before it would have actually activated those eggs.
And then on the other side they spawned a Viper somehow.
Perhaps not killing an egg in time, or perhaps somebody carrying an egg
Ended up getting sniped by one of those green circles, which does spawn Viper. So
Yeah, another P2 down. Okay. I think that like for me if they're getting into phase two with
75 or 80% consistency
That those are the numbers that we actually need to see from liquid to actually have them continue to make progression today
I feel like that's like the number that we are trying to occupy because these phase one Viper's they halt your progression so much
which is very similar to other extremely hard bosses.
I think we can even look back to like Lura last season,
where it's like, if you have a bunch of P1 wipes in a row,
it's really hard for you to even learn P3,
if you're just continuing to chain wipe and P1.
Same thing with this one, obviously the egg mechanic
and carrying the eggs and spawning a viper,
those things are inevitable, they do happen.
If we can get up to north of 50%
of their attempts coming out of phase one,
ideally getting like 75%,
that's where we actually start to see
good P3 progression.
I'm going back into rage bait mode. Okay. If I could really wanted
The race to start at the same time. They should just make characters under them a little American servers
Come on over. You have fans in an A that'll help you with splits. Let's go. It's ironic rage baiting
It's impossible to play on the the NA servers from you Zyro
We don't look at eternal palace. Don't look at eternal palace
Don't look at eternal palace don't look at all the you players that are playing from there right now
Also, don't look at who got world first fire act normal. That's true world first fire act normal
achieved by the Echo NA characters.
Oh, the ray. Oh, my goodness, Zyra, are you did I get them?
Did I get them? Well, so far, most people are recognizing that it's
bait. Got a strong question for somebody.
Why is Zyra always on the cast? Great question.
Why are any of us here, to be honest?
It's crazy that you made up that comment.
No, someone said that.
No, my head came and tried to submit that one off.
No, I see it right there.
Ali, 1-3-3-1.
I see you.
I see you.
I see you.
I see you.
I think that is too aggressive baits to be a.
It also helps that I started off the sentence by saying,
I'm going back into rage bait.
Yeah, exactly.
If you were really, really bold about it,
you would have just ripped it.
So why wouldn't Echo just play on NA?
I think the number one thing is it's hard.
It's probably going to be a lot harder for them
to find split helpers in North America.
Yeah.
And also, you know, getting all of their roster to do it, but also all future recruits to do it as well.
It's like, imagine you're somebody in Fat Shark or Method or something, and you get the letter from Eca that's like,
hey, you want to join our guild?
Make 20 characters and gear them up before the next tier comes out on the North American servers.
On Illidan.
Yeah, on Illidan.
But then there's the logistics of it as well, that have to level new characters in North America.
So the time to do it would be at the start of a new expansion, for sure.
Yeah, you would do it at the start of a new expansion, for sure.
But then also there is a slight ping difference now most you can play a lot of North American servers in Chicago
Yeah, you play the center for sure from where they're playing is probably close like ninety to a hundred there. Yeah
So for reference when I would cast for echo
I would play on Ticandria still which is a Los Angeles data center server and I get a hundred fifty ping which
In wow is not that big a deal but across your entire raid team
It is a detriment to have an extra fifty hundred ping but they would they would probably to Chicago
They were playing in Chicago, but they're from Central Europe, not from London, which is...
But they're in Cologne, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Which I think is actually closer to...
It's probably like 110, 120.
Because I'm pretty sure the way the route in goes is from London, it goes to Paris, to Chicago.
Okay, yeah.
So Cologne would go to Paris, to Chicago, which would actually be closer to London.
Maybe about the same.
Yeah, maybe 100 ping.
110 to 130, somebody says.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Yeah.
Which is completely playable.
Yeah, I mean, I literally did this back when they were limited.
They did it in Eternal Palace.
They went to London and played on the NA data center world of Warcraft has this neat feature called spell queuing
Yeah, because spell queuing exists that means that ping is not like insanely valuable in the game
The only thing that it was even a little bit annoying to play with was like something like blaster master fire bitch
Mm-hmm small buffs that you had to chain was a little annoying on a hundred ping
It's really only unplayable on like 180 to this jargi guy plays from Poland to Chicago data center right now
right he obviously is not in the raid but like
He plays from even further away.
So yeah, I think the ping wouldn't be prohibitive to this.
The gold wouldn't be either because I mean you could always just swap gold with somebody.
I'm sure you could easily move however much gold they have.
The helpers would be an issue, right?
Like right now they have some of the best helpers in the world.
They've played with them for many years.
They have some of the best helpers in the world and they have a very passionate fan base.
Right.
Are there actual fans?
Oh wow.
That's a straight banger.
That is a banger indeed.
Yeah, that's a that's the hopeful Spotify tracker
But yeah, the the helpers I think would be definitely an issue and
The recruitment I think the helpers in the recruitment are the things where you'd be also just like
Everybody would hate it right like everybody wants to play on the EU servers
I think I think the bigger thing is like they have one at a disadvantage before
They believe that they can win at a disadvantage again
Well for sure they believe that the disadvantages of moving to the NA servers are greater than
The timing of the user right like yeah, you can quantify the disadvantage of one side, and they think it is smaller than
The other one the other can we talk about why we haven't just combined all the servers yet. That would be nice
Well, I suspect it's because those are like money and doesn't want it doesn't want to so whatever you say combine the servers
You're talking about like
with the year. Because they're on different resets. Why can't we combine the servers though
and have them all on the same reset? Well, so I think it's a lot easier for Blizzard to
do the maintenance sequentially rather than simultaneously. And someone that says you
put the ping, but yeah, but I can play with Australians. Yeah, the fact that we're combined
with Australia does dispel some of the potential concerns, although the fact that
everybody always hates when when you get into a group with that much ping yeah
every part of the reason they don't do it on a bigger scale it's definitely a
blizzard logistical issue it's also the more certain like the more reasons that
you try to combine together the more likely that you are to hit somebody's
prime time with the reset obviously apparently we just don't care about us
at all and so they're combined with NA as well and they're like half of their
raid night on Wednesday gets cut off because of servers going down on an A like
EU if if server maintenance happened it like when is convenient to blizzard
specifically that would be so happens about yeah it would be it would be like
5 p.m. which is which is really bad like you don't really want to take down the
EU servers at 5 p.m. we do know that maintenance and resets can be desynced the
EU maintenance is already desynced from their reset it happened at 3 a.m. and
their reset happens at 5 AM.
So they could have maintenance on the day before at a localized time that makes sense,
which I think is probably like if Blizzard was going to go through with this,
that's probably what they would have to do.
They'd have to do it on Monday at a localized time.
Yeah. I mean, you're basically saying Blizzard should change their infrastructure
and take on a much bigger challenge to do it all a better way for the race, right?
And as people who love the race, I agree.
That would be sick.
If Blizzard is going to do it, I'll tell.
Yeah. That's what's there.
It's like, okay, we all think they should do that,
but then Blizzard looks at it as like,
No, I like money, thank you.
Yeah, I have no dog at this point, but I think it would be cool.
I think it would probably be a better play experience as well.
The fact that I would have more options in LFG, even though...
It would be cool to be able to...
Yeah, one of my favorite parts about playing on beta
is you do get to play with not just EU,
but actually like the Chinese players as well.
Yeah, yep.
Getting to group up with people that you don't normally get to play with
and you just talk to or see on Twitter.
That was crazy because those Chinese Mythic Plus groups...
Oh my God, that was so cool.
They will just slam their head into a push-key non-stop, just learning the key forever.
I got to do a key once back in Shadowlands, made with Anuo and Xingxin.
And we just ran, I think it was a 20-senguin depth, over and over and over again.
No Viper. So we got past the first boss. No Viper, we're back.
Those are my goats over there.
Xingxin is back. He's back? Yeah, he's back. Let's go.
He came back for this expansion, didn't stream me well either.
Hell yeah, that guy's an insane big player.
We've got our first burn here. This one is looking really nice for at least the logistics of it
What is the boss health gonna be is the question?
Oh, wow, that is your best you best 61. All right
We have had unfortunately had a death right at the end of this but that is gonna be our battle res
It would have been lower. Let's gonna get an unfortunate wings timing as well
Molting the warden instantly who will not locked in not even seeing to his song focus up hopeful
Is it still on you, belong with me, or is it rotated?
Yeah, I'm sure we'll get an update if it's changed.
The first two eggs now getting cleaved down here.
So the way it works is once these eggs actually get like materialized, you need to kill them before that cast finishes.
Another one.
Yeah, they do need to break the shield on basically all of these.
Okay, hopeful.
This is here.
Little danger, yeah.
They've got the dodges on this side during this overlap.
So it was one stack of the tether being broken now
They're gonna press every single ability in their toolkit slam down a five stack you got the AMZ
You got the darkness on the hopeful side everybody's health bar dropping KSP dropping incredibly leather
You didn't get exact by lip, but now everybody is alive for liquid here
This is great, and they beat those eggs. They're getting that mult cast off
Yeah, we've got the eggs all picked up now
Hopefully the back of the line right now
He'll be able to blink his intact cauldron once everybody else deposits
and safely done. Now they need to move to the other side and the timer we're
looking at here is those four casts from the boss rams. Those are when we need to
pick up the big eggs in the back of each of these hallways. But before we do that
we want to make sure we picked up all the small eggs because once you pick up
a big egg it will arm all of those small eggs and you have to actually
break down with damage. The dranas are getting in position here and picks up
the final egg, the doctor. And now we've just got a little bit of AOE
down of these last few eggs and those ones will hatch. Meanwhile Nick gonna be
standing here waiting. He's gonna wait until this gets ready. He hit the deep
breath for movement. That's crazy. Yeah and then right before it would expire he
tosses it into Kalamazhi's vault of Floridian ingredients. Oh that's where he
bruises peppers. Yeah his potion cauldron. Okay we're gonna be getting another
damage here in a couple of seconds. Okay so we're surging to kill scales.
We're not we're not surging on the heart yet. We're just trying consistency to see p3 you want to kill these ads off
Oh, yep, it's in the water right now. Oh my gosh. You practice purge trying to make sure the frontals there are
Ended up the direction of the boss
Death does come out here. We do have a battle is available here for KSP, so we can still 20 alive
Probably want to use that soon so we can make sure these doom scales go down in time
but boss is
3? 53. Oh, it's not bad. Not bad at all. Okay, intermission time.
So here come these eggs, and this actually starts the next big damage check here,
which is breaking out all these eggs, but unfortunately we're still not done with the Doom Scales.
So we have to actually DPS down the Doom Scales while breaking out these eggs.
A lot of pressure here landing on the shoulders of the Moon Kins.
Will they be able to pad on enough of these eggs to actually get them all activated?
Unfortunately, hopefully it goes down. Goop, you can see Starfalling everything here.
Blowing up all of these as fast as he can, picks up one of these eggs,
and he's going to move on over towards that square, but unfortunately dies while carrying the egg.
And that's going to lead to a Viper hatch.
And yeah, like you said, at least the players we've been able to see are still doing every third spectral coil soap,
which means the second of those two posted nerfs has no change on their strategy.
They haven't yet decided to use that nerf in any way.
Well, they made it into phase three with about half their rate alive.
Unfortunately, they are going to be dying off here momentarily to a bunch of Viper's.
The problem with making it to be 3 is like, if you've got some vipers, it's gonna be over.
Everybody's just getting stunned by those vipers.
So...
Still though, good pull.
Those are the kind of pulls where we're learning things,
and we are getting muscle memory on the intermission, which I think is the phase right now that we are most working on.
Yeah, I think that they're trying to be able to measure how much doomscale damage that they want relative to damage on the heart still.
Previously, they were committing all of their AOE damage onto that heart,
But now they have to put some on the deanskill. They have to really figure out a nice balance of how much damage they're going to be doing
Okay, so we're gonna be throwing it on over to a monster energy listen
So you guys can hear what they are talking about in relation to this damage check
We needed to click the first thing but like okay, everyone goes to their side
That's the way this was asked. I'm assuming because people were like still finishing these ads
But by the way, I'm pretty sure we were targeting them here and if we were like full on the heart
They're gonna be even healthier, right? So like I feel like
They were all even besides the one I
bought earlier.
Even fish.
So who is in the triangle?
The reason why we're getting banged is there is two people in the soak.
Who is in the triangle diamond side?
Well this one was clicked kind of late, but
It doesn't matter.
The next soak, like mine and T.H.D.
Soak it was only me T.H.D.
and Mark as well if you look at my POV.
Okay, I need a list of
who is on what side.
Tri-mose at it.
Pranglody, Shack, XL, Fired Up, Scott and Drenny.
Yeah, well, Scott still has the ads here, right? So...
Yeah.
Yeah, it was like the circle, cuz we should get still.
Star Orange.
His Mark Lipp, THD.
You
You
All right, and we are back from that monster energy listening where there was a lot of listening
Yeah, what a we have a magical power to do it listed and immediately mute comms. Well, it's more like oh
This is the this is the right time to listen in right? We want to hear what they're they're saying
This is the this is the perfect time and then it's like okay, you know what we're gonna talk about strategy here
You know that yeah, we had a code word for this back in the day
You guys weren't there in support her, but it was called getting watermelon. I remember yeah watching the
Watching you guys and hearing the watermelon be like wait
That's the stuff. I want to listen to yep strategy discussion
It hit the panic button. They'd say watermelon watermelon, and they just all mutant our face
That's what just happened to us just now second we went to them off strategy listening. Oh
Oh, the rain check, that's come out though.
Okay, so what do you think that they were discussing?
It's probably just like positioning and like how to move during that intermission.
Yeah.
Do they want to change up the intermission based on the hotfix changes earlier?
I suspect Max is probably like, oh yeah, Bubba, we need to get some movement here.
Do we have, what movement do we have for free?
Can we get a roar there or something?
Seems like we need to get over there faster.
Actually, time trial makes more sense because we would be crossing our platform.
I mean, part of the problem right now, right, is these dooms, these weakened doomskills have so much HP.
And they're spawning them so late in phase 2 now because they don't have the lust there
But they still are healthy coming out of the damage amp on the heart even with the major sending arcane surge
Into those movies it's some egregious movement
To try to make sure that the entire raid didn't get frontaled by the doomsday
Yeah, we're trying to get on top of the heart to help you and it worked to her got used
But that's what her is for one of the big strengths of love again still having the doomscales up
Yeah, you get into the actual intermission partner, so things lands
That's gonna that's gonna cause problems for you tanks are probably gonna go down at some point. Also, they're still soaking every third time
We suspect that you can soak every other now, but soaking every other means you also have to do a lot more right?
So they're they're kind of probably talking. Okay, is there a trade-off we can do here?
Do we need to actually do every other slam and maybe like I could see a world really the moonkins out let them
Just a we do their full content and not so good. It's possible. I just I feel like I feel like you don't actually want to change too much because
one reason to do more slams would be if you were dying to the damage and you
could reduce it further by getting more people into them but you're not dying to
it they aren't dying to those slam damages so I don't think we need more
for that reason the other reason to change and have some people soak more
aggressively would be to free up other people to soak less but it's just not
that hard to soak once or twice in that phase so freeing up the people who
are already not soaking a lot to soak even less I don't think actually
changes the texture of the phase too much for them so the big thing is
just gonna be okay eggs are spawning when you start surfing slams all of these eggs
need to be broken out by the time we get to the last slant plus it's gonna be
after the last three even yeah you want to be able to actually get them into those
slams if you're trying to pack all of them into the last single slam yeah
you're gonna be having collisions do this is a gck SP just like a we applied
rupture and then just shadow set the boss of the dealie with back straight
back to the old friends and tempest and then the boss image that is
absolutely I mean assassination look mythic rating is hard if you ever want an
approachable entry level into mythic rating place of assassination nerve this
season it is a joyous of frosty K2 10% of your damage is is white swing 10% of
your damages trinkets yeah I know we have unfortunately spawned a viper
likely going to be a white but they can play through it I mean it's not
It's not ideal.
It's on X-File.
Watch him over there on the left.
He's going to step maybe.
So it's not even going to apply the stun to him.
It's a projectile?
It's not a projectile.
It's a dive bomb.
But it locks in the location about half a second before the damage.
So you can Shadowsepper blink it.
We've seen a couple of people doing that when they are targeted by those vipers, which
does minimize the damage, but not enough to prevent this one from being wiped.
It's just like the shadows on a waxbeard.
Remember those?
The images could blink them and not do the damage.
It's just like that.
Oh my goodness.
It's just like that.
It was like cycling through mythic plus boxes trying to figure out where that guy was from
Yeah, from the old Darkflame cleft. It was it wasn't wax beers the candle King. Oh the candle King. Yeah
Yeah, what you're the first boss in that dungeon, but yeah candle King candle King. Thank you. I miss Darkflame cleft
That was a good dungeon. Yeah, I do not that dungeon was flavorful. Yeah, I miss no
It was a good breaker. It was it. No, you know, I do not miss the dawn break
That it was flavorful. It was flavorful, but I do not miss it
The flavor of the different bugs you could encounter while in that dungeon, definitely
was fun.
Falling through the floor, sometimes the boat wouldn't load in.
Something I want to watch out for on KSP's POV is where is he actually using this void alpha ratio?
What exactly is it for? Because it could be for a couple things.
It could be for phase two to be able to run eggs quicker, to just try to break up traffic jams.
It could be in phase one to jump over potentially problematic waves,
But it doesn't look like he's carrying an egg so
Yeah, I think it is
Something that's gonna be used mostly for a panic button in the intermission as well
I like I don't think you're planning a time to use it except for maybe the intermission egg dunk
Where it can help you get down that corridor, you know kind of leapfrogging people without being in the way
But I think the rogue, you know just sprint and also being melee will be in a good enough position that it won't matter anyway
time. But yeah, it could be nice. Void Elf for P3, I could also see being great. You know,
those spots where you, the platform is about to break and you need to get somewhere but
you're doing your soak first and shooting out the waves. You shoot out a Void Elf projectile,
you're on the platform that's about to break. The hit happens and then you Void Elf right
before the platform breaks. That could be a vibe. Although Shatterstep would also
work for that so yeah we'll have to see I'd like to keep an eye on it as well
somebody said in chat said Cine's POV is really good but unfortunately he's not
here so we don't have his POV. I wish we had his POV. Yeah the boydolph from the
priest is very very valuable. That one is like pretty obvious too because
I have this shadow priest is carrying an egg yeah he's gonna boydolph over.
Yeah fortunately many of the raiders even if they're not here at the
venue are spending their POVs live on Twitch so check them out if there's
in a particular POV that you really want to watch.
I saw XO had like 1500 viewers yesterday or something too.
Yeah, also play from him.
XO, another insane player, sometimes doesn't get his props.
He's just unfortunately in the shadow of Ben and POE,
and because he's been so much time on POE,
he's never really like fully fledged out as a wow streamer,
but the guy's awesome.
Yeah, I think he's the Valheim go personally.
Hardcore Valheim, yeah.
Don't ask him how many times he died at Valhallaad, but he is the hardcore Valhallaad go.
He might be on attempt number 18 at hardcore Valhallaad, but we don't care about that too
much.
He's also the face of the Splits icon in the Twitch chat.
That's true, he does love Splits.
I think he's the world of Warcraft mode in Ben's chat.
It's the same face, just a different mode.
Yeah.
This is a world of Warcraft.
This is a world of Warcraft.
caps. Oh, another deck here, Trill this time. I'll take out my Moratica wave. No Viper at
least. Yeah, at least nothing too... The amount of waves that spawn on this fight is insane.
It is genuinely insane. Yeah, each of those extra spectral tails spawns, I think, multiple
waves of them. I can imagine a world where a lot of the race will last, guilds have
problems on Lura. This is going to be generational. Yeah, I mean, I think they will be playing
a different version of this fight. This boss is going to get nuked for Morbid. What half,
what half as many waves, half as many waves, HP on ads nerf by 40%. When you think about
ad based fights, these are the ones where, you know, race world first guilds do even
better compared to average guilds than pure single target. So it will, I think, need
an even larger nerf than a single target boss to be reasonable for, you know, a mid-tier cutting edge guild.
To be clear, though, we haven't even seen the final phase of the fight yet.
Oh, and I'm not talking about phase 3, I'm talking about the secret phase when Pippus comes up after you kill Lula,
attacking you after you have to fight him, so...
Well, secret phase, what if there's secret boss? It's been a while since we had one of those.
Ooh, that'd be cool.
Could be fun.
We could be here until after Blizzcon.
We could be.
Or we could take a little break for Blizzcon and then come back for the secret boss.
Stop. I just saw titles like visibly blink when I said that, like, he was just like,
like no what I think all I think all the guilds will form a quick truce during blizzcon so
the teams can compete in the mbi and then come back if there's still underway during that
it's not like what it's not like when the boxbox bootcamp got paused for Paris or whatever
that has that would happen yeah I got paused I didn't know I didn't realize that's funny
same thing. Yeah. All right, well, a little bit of a disappointing
poll there. We had one one wave take a BRAS and then the other spawn of Viper later in
the phase. Still can't figure out where he's using his Void Elf. I didn't see any Void
Elfs in that one. No, I saw some Shadow Steps, but it does seem like Void Elf is
being maybe saved as a reactive rather than playing tool, at least in phase one. Sure.
We got to see a P2 pole to see if it's being used intentionally there.
And then we got P3 also, some potential utility for sure.
Hitting a big, far-off brow there, KSP.
Can we get a hopeful karaoke update?
What are we on right now?
What is he on right now?
Oh, KSP hits a nice neck crack.
Oh, both sides on that one.
Wow, great.
Yeah.
Now he's alert.
Oh.
Oh, I know that came through the microphone, but I got a nice like four or five.
I can't I can't crack my neck.
I can crack my my my knuckles.
Oh, yeah, your knuckles, too.
I don't people can crack their back.
That sounds. Oh, I can do that as well.
Like, like when you pull yourself to one side.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
That feels real good.
See, hopefully currently listening to motivation by Normani.
I don't actually know that's unfamiliar.
Yeah, I got a completely unfamiliar.
Gotta check that out
Hopeful needs to pump buck
Little classical music. Yeah a little classical music one of my guildies raised the classical music sometimes really yeah
I like tuning into the TFT streamer at bank games. Oh, yeah
His mansion yeah
The Seattle mansion
When he's like on tilt and the music's super loud and he's not saying anything.
Yeah.
Gosh.
Dude, TFT streamers on another level.
They're the best.
They're the best on Twitch.
You don't even have to play the game to enjoy them.
They're just all crazy.
Hard time watching, but I don't know this yet.
After a shift yesterday, so I have open packed headphones that I use at my desk.
Yeah.
And after my shift, before sitting down at my computer, which I had left the K3 Soju stream on,
I could hear him just going off about something in the game before I even sat down.
It's surprising because they're all such good streamers, but bad content creators.
That makes sense. They're all so good at streaming, but so bad at content creation.
I also don't think that game lends itself to being insanely easy to make content for.
Yeah, any video you make is going to be outdated in three days.
Yeah.
Everyone just goes for Tubers, that's kind of how it goes.
Yeah, that's like not that meta is boring for me. Yeah, that's like really not satisfying all you two videos
For those of you can like you just try and do like ridiculous things
Like I really didn't say yeah, let's go for it like in insane I rolls rather than you know and those make the best
Like if the wow equivalent would be like going into a normal pub to try to farm like it's like trying to rank 100
Parse off of the AoE pad and normal and then like you got a rank one and you've you had to post that yeah
You know those are the only videos that are like obviously good thumbnails
So
What is echoes raid schedule look like for the next few days here they started literally on reset right?
Yeah, they started at their time on reset. They've been starting at eight most warnings, which is
They're nine hours ahead of us. Uh-huh, so
Well, I think they'll probably they might start a little earlier on the next reset
But my guess is they'll keep it at eight because you want to keep a consistent schedule
And I wouldn't be surprised if they push it back even here
okay, because
They don't need to be ready to hit a 5am ever again. Yeah, the reason in previous weeks
They don't want they don't let it drift later is because they need to make sure they're ready to hit a 5am
Yeah, following week, but now hopefully there's not a chance of a reset for so
Oh god.
The couple is banging this one out.
What are we listening to, man?
Selena Gomez and the Steve Love You Like a Love Song.
Oh yeah.
Oh that's a good one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, he's into it.
The guy is jamming.
So I guess we're only finished tonight?
I think they've been starting at like 7am even.
Okay.
For some days.
Yeah, I was just curious.
So like it's like 10pm or like 11pm or time.
Yeah, something like that makes sense.
roughly when they've been starting.
Okay, interesting.
I mean, we're not yet at the sprint phase of the race
where the kids are gonna sacrifice sleep to try and win.
We're at the phase where you're trying to still
stay high energetic.
Have you seen Roger Brown's Twitter lately?
Yes.
Once a week on the reset,
he tweets out the time difference
between NA servers going up and EU servers going up.
I respect it, it's a...
It's committed to the bit.
It is frustrating.
He is not happy about it, which, understandable.
Yeah, it's actually all of the eggs as a matter of fact.
Just the dock-illability.
Yeah.
Okay.
Key slop.
Oh, no.
I don't know.
Talk about slop again.
I mean, I think that that wretch, I mean, we've killed that wretch before, like...
Yeah, we've proven that we can kill it.
Can you do me a solid?
Yeah, come on.
Must've been the wind.
The worst of the wind thing is that it was a great calm.
It was a great calm.
The lingering image just dies must have been the wind.
Like what?
3, 2, 1.
Like in a Dell Wendelier, just one shot something for you.
Yeah, must have been the wind.
They should actually change the voice line to that.
That would be a lovely Easter egg, but I'm sure they'll never do it.
They'll never do it.
That would be so funny.
Dude, that drama was crazy.
It happened at the perfect time because it was in this in-between state in between seasons where nothing was going on and
Everybody was like kind of longing for some content and then it was like
Pretty low stakes all things considered. It's very funny. Yeah, extremely funny like that was that was insane drama
People the people were acquiring the context hat if you missed it
There was some drama like three weeks before the tier where it was right before
Reset right right before the titles are about to go pretty much, right? Yeah
And there was some drama where some people were doing a 21 nexus point. I think it was a 23 a 23
Okay, so it was one below max key level there
Yeah, and they were they were doing a homework key
It was Brazil and they killed the last boss turned out they missed count
So they turn around to start attacking a lingering image and it goes from a hundred ninety to eighty five
And then just goes from eighty five to zero instantly and it's locked and there's a spell in the log that says
Death touch.
Area test, death touch, killed the mob.
Turns out they had a GM client friend
who just killed the mob for them.
Yeah, so what was said was that there were three
of the people that were in that group.
So there was two pogs and there was three people
that were like friends that were keying together
in that group.
And they had a fourth person in their call,
somebody who worked for Blizzard.
Who no longer does.
Yeah, worked, being the key word here.
For Blizzard, who had a GM client and they go,
Yo bro, can you do me a solid and kill this mob for me?
Which the GM's response should have been, no, LOL.
And being like, oh yeah, I'm just brushing this off
as a joke, instead what he did was kill the mob for them
and time the key, a key that they would have otherwise
depleted.
Yeah.
The log came out first, and everybody
was looking at this log and was like, wow, this is crazy.
I thought there was a chance that the log,
we see crazy stuff sometimes where the log
to be edited and yeah, exactly.
That was the first thought, I was like, oh yeah,
the log is edited or something else is afloat here but then it was like the
thoughts in my mind that it could just be a big GM using a GM tools to actually
one-shot a mob just seemed so far-fetched but turned out to be the case
yeah actually it was actually true yeah missed any of this drama just go back
like a month and listen to your little you know watch some streams from back
then watch some videos there were videos about it watch your favorite
podcast. It was always talking about, yeah, growl.
Oh, so good. Dude, growl. Actually, there were so many people that kept going into growls
chat thinking that he was the person that was cheating.
Yeah, he interviewed the cheater and that neither of them had cams.
And they would just type in his chat, be like, I used to think so much more of you.
The fact that you would go this far and do this kind of stuff makes me really think
less of you. I'm unsubscribing and unfollowing forever. Goodbye.
Yeah, it shows you know the perils of being a journalist in this day and age.
Make a bunch of enemies.
Alright, we have made it to P2, but not for long.
Not for long.
Yeah, unfortunately we lost three before the heartburn.
We're able to res one.
No vipers, but...
Did you hear our conversation about region-specific dialect things, last segment, Pettles?
No.
No, is there anything is there anything where you grew up that you would say differently you think from other regions?
That I would say differently. Yeah, like when you get when you address a group of people. What do you say y'all y'all?
Apparently I didn't realize this until recently I have the stove like a stove. I is regional as opposed to the stove top, right? Oh
Is the eye yeah, it's the eye like I didn't realize that that was a regional thing
growing up in the south it was always that's the stove I I see whatever reason
and then I it was informed recently that not everybody calls it that never
heard of that you learn anything every day what region deep what reason is the
south is something a Missouri thing no not most not Missouri is there one of
the I was one of the great state of Louisiana Louisiana Georgia for a long
time Georgia Louisiana
The stove by is the middle of each burner isn't it? Yeah, that's what I would have guessed from hearing so by is that you just
Actually just the entire top you kind of call the stove like each burner is this so by yeah
Interesting yeah
There's a funny one in there. That's like what do you call a meeting of roads that ends in a circle?
Oh, and it's like some of them are I don't know what this is called or I don't have a name for that
I'm meeting of roads that ends in the circle
So they're asking you to describe a roundabout a roundabout okay, which is what I would call it
But there's other things people call it what it would not ending in a circle, right?
I'm meeting a road with a circle. Yeah, not an ending of a circle. Sorry guys
Yeah, that circle ending is a cul-de-sacre right right, but like two roads that cross and where they cross it is a circle
Yes, yes, yes, well they intersect. What's the what's the alternative people call it a traffic circle?
Okay. Oh, see a lot of people on the side are calling it that. Roundabout. Roundabout.
I always read the ones where people call almost all sodas Coke. Oh yeah, I read about those.
Like that's been receding though, the maps of it like that is losing the war.
You're talking about the Polar, do you want to pop?
Soda is like, pop and coke are both, you can look at maps of this and that used to be like huge swaths of the country
and now it's like these tiny enclaves where they still say coke or everything.
So I will say like whenever you would get a soda from a restaurant like whenever I was growing up
It was always code like code products like dominate the South. It was never anything else flavor of cookie. What they'll have a limited
But I don't know if I'm not really sure I ever heard of somebody refer to soda is just only code
Yeah, honestly, I prefer monster. Yeah
It's kind of the same thing you know you think about like what flavor of monster you want and there's 40 different options. That's true
got my oreo. Mid-western areas call it pop. I got the whole sort of red white in blue
razz. Banger flavor. The America version. I think Coca Cola is popular in certain places
as well. I think I've heard people call it like a fizz or a fizzy drink in a few places.
That's definitely not as popular. I think I still have the word roof. Not when a dog
says. Oh yeah, roof. Instead of calling it the word roof. Lawyer or liar. The Jam
or put dramas those were in the quiz yeah we're in the quiz yeah if anybody
in chaps curious about what we're talking about you want to scroll back in
the box like two hours we leave the quiz alternatively you can listen to anything
that adrian says healing staff yeah oh yeah especially whatever he calls a
shaman a shaman yeah I can't really figure or whatever he says man a mana
another big one is pecan some people will say pecan everyone knows it's a
five four three oh dangerous spot wow nice that was
insanely clean movement yeah there were very few places you could stand to not
die there and he found them into this first damage amp we go now it's
Carmel, bro
Bagel versus bagel
Wusted his bagel meta there. Yeah, I think it's a new a new England thing England again. It's a jet thing
All right, what's our boss HP?
67% on the boss
Really?
Wow, why did they play full?
Okay, so they're holding less maybe for P2 again
Maybe there's like look we gotta get through this or maybe even the intermission. Maybe you just hold it for a
Discretionary progression lust once something starts going a little wrong. So interesting. I mean, I feel like you want to actually
Feel out all of the phases with the
Consistent timings that you're gonna have yeah into the future
But if you want to just see deeper into the fight, you know having less available as an option is always great
because you don't need that boss damage right like
the boss the boss help does not currently matter especially if you're doing all the optimization movement anyways
Yeah having the lust rolling there is not actually changing anything qualitative about it
And now you have it as a progression option once somebody dies at some point in the later part here
That's so far so good here Warden. We're going down shortly
Yeah, a couple more ticks of this five stack KSP cheat death all good though final tick not gonna claim any lives
It's getting huge value the classic KSP cheat death moment get sacked by lift still cheat death
Yeah, roaches are just procking cheat here every time. It's there to be used. Yeah
Let's be honest. It's probably gonna proc there even with the 25% error for the tether damage
Although we're through the first side of the phase nice don't don't get off all these Rawlings into the pot into the
Okay, it's so low
Heal that guy. So yeah one heal
Yeah, you can see the little green circle next to each of these ads as well when that is fully red
That is when they are enraging it is a timer for their individual enrage
Timers because all of the ads on mythic do have an enrage Nick the old deep breath for movement here
does need to pick up his egg within two seconds and he's going to grab it with
one spare. Perfect timing. Beautifully timed. Now he needs to take his
doom scale to the pot, but he's gonna want to wait to deposit on the leg.
Oh no, Drani's supposed to get one on the right.
Does have onk, but unfortunately he was carrying the doom scale egg.
If he all teed would be battling the doom scale himself.
Yeah, but that's a 1v1. I bet on Drani and a lot of 1v1s, but not that one.
It's funny because so I grew up in Houston, but because my family is
mostly midwestern a lot of my like my family's tendencies were midwestern so
you got the good old classic bag of bags you guys have a bag of bags at your house
no why not you never know what you're gonna need those bags for like plastic
bags like you have one plastic bag that contains a bunch of others yes exactly
I think I have some of my bags stored in that configuration yeah it's stored
under the kitchen sink of course no I don't know that's where it's supposed
to be okay you don't have that no that's that's not right you got your
Midwest Tupperware. I do Tupperware. Well, no, I'm not trying to buy Midwest Tupperware.
What's the, what differentiates that from regular Tupperware?
So let's say you finish, let's say you finish a tub of margarine. Like let's say you finished
your, you have a little, like, I can't believe it's not butter. Clean it out. That's a
nice Tupperware box. Okay. So you've converted, you convert
just like containers of things you buy into Tupperware.
Yes. Exactly. Yes.
I see, no, I don't do that. Yeah, that's definitely the, yeah, I'm going to keep
the old midwest goodbye what's that well it's the open and the knee slap yep is
it like welp well they all work okay hope can mean anything well time to head
out guess I better hit the road yeah watch out for gear that's you never
heard that you never heard that I've never heard that that is a midwestern
goodbye nor have I ever needed to I guess I've seen a couple deer near
But not many pretty rare. You'll suppose I should be going. That's a classic
All right, well we have seen the lunch break timer applied here. Sorry you want to
What's for lunch today? Oh, no, uh, Swiss in Turkey sandwiches, I think. Oh
Okay, that's what I saw in chat. Do you want to prep some some lunch content for us?
I'm gonna be a little bit of time. We have some other things that we got other things even more exciting
I love the sound of that
I'm saying prep, I'm not saying go to it yet, I'm just saying
For sure
You know if you want to, or at least you can start the thinking process
I bet THD has some regional differences
Oh for sure, I mean that guy easily
Yeah
He's got a lot of distinctive qualities
Which you'll say are because of where he's from, but
I think a lot of them are just him
Bang
Boom
There he is
Every time you look at the box you've gotta get your fist bumped
Gotta get your fist bumped
Look, this race is actually starting to heat up.
I don't know if we really expected them to start having
this boss super low today, but I feel like this post-lunch
kind of.
This could be a very, very profitable few hours
that we're moving into.
I feel like we are on the cusp of seeing potentially even
deep into P3 attempts.
I think so.
I think this could be where we start to really break
into that final spell queue of the fight, right?
So we're seeing what we got there.
You're going to slide in here?
Oh, my goodness.
Yeah, watch out.
Take care of the camp over there, buddy.
I don't want to slam that cable.
Oh, wow.
Whoa.
Oh, buddy.
There it is.
What's up, couch?
What's up, chat?
Can we get the THD ASCII's starting to get spammed in chat?
We need those.
Oh, yeah.
Power them up.
That's right.
And you know what goes well with a THD ASCII?
There's something on his face.
Yeah, there's something on my face.
Is there something that's on your face
that's not on Dratnos' face, perhaps?
I don't know.
I'm looking at that right now.
Dratnos, what's going on there?
You don't got Zenny's.
I don't got Zenny's.
What the hell, man?
I got some at home.
Well, since you have them at home,
it's going to be a pretty long time when we're here.
Good.
Yeah.
And guess what?
And guess what?
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The camp's got some delivered here at the race.
They were fired, too.
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And it's up to 25% off with the code.
Are there any other benefits to wearing zinnies?
Oh, oh yeah, yeah
Yeah, like what?
You get to like, pump hard
Like 25% more
Mm-hmm, geez, that's how you're doing all that damage on the boss
That's right
On the boss, yeah?
He also spawns no vipers because
He can see all of the waves
Throughout his entire vision field
Because some of the other raiders, they're not wearing zinnies
They're losing their life
They keep spawning the vipers, THG on the other hand
Never spawned a viper, never will
Yeah, definitely, I never spawned one
spawn never it looks like you're going through the matrix when you're dodging
the waves like almost as if it's slowing down time for you like watching my pops
sometimes funny sets oh you get the shotgun set you have to dodge the close
one yeah the porter's got a rough life on the sides of the room the sides of
the room we call those they're shotguns coming after us but luckily with my
zenies I can see within the gaps mm-hmm oh wow
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I covered in the morning stage is always here all is your first first one in last one out. That's right. That's right
That's right
They also have blue light blocking technology. Oh, yeah
I've heard you've been getting more sleep.
How about you get in a night right now?
Well, last night was actually not that great.
But that's not because of Zenny's.
No, no, no, no. This is completely unrelated.
See, I can explain the story a bit.
So there was some housekeeping that happens every few days sometimes, right?
And the housekeeping, sometimes they won't touch your curtain on your window.
Sometimes they let the window curtain be fully open.
this time they decided to play a little bit of a trick
they left it a little bit open
so when I walked in and went to bed
I didn't really realize it was a little bit open
and then boom 6am the sunlight is coming straight into the room
yeah
so how much sleep would you have gotten if I didn't mess it up?
oh probably
a nice 7 hours
which is pretty good for me
does any of you keep them on when you sleep?
that's true I should have left them on when I slept
That's right. You are 100 taking this. I did say that I said you I while you sleep while you shower you should have them on
That's right, and I forgot that night. I remember a time when you just needed four hours to sleep. I know what's happening, man
You get mold no mate. We're I mean today's I'm five hours asleep. Do you see any problem? No, no, so exactly
Yes, I received a problem. Fair point. Did you get your prescription checked? Maybe I definitely do yeah, I mean
It is what it is. I'm probably gonna order a new pair today. Yeah, this is a really long time that I've been
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Travis, what do you got over there?
Well, in addition to Zennies, you can complement them with some of our TL, apparel, and merch.
And we have this mouse pad this tier as well as the hoodies and shirts.
Is that Ulotec?
It is Ulotec.
It's this beautiful line art of Ulotec that you've got here.
I love the white line art on the black background.
I think that makes sense for like a desk mat.
That looks really good.
I think the design deal for a desk mat, you have this beautiful little liquid
logo up there as well. It's a little hint of green and then the rest is all this black and white.
I think this is one of the coolest designs we've had for one of these mouse pads.
Rival the Demensius one, which for me is a personal. Oh yeah, the Demensius one. I have
that one. Yeah, that's my current mouse pad, but this might replace it. There's also hoodies.
We've got jerseys as well. The jerseys very comfortable this time around. The shirts also,
they're a little bit heavier material, a little bit more of an oversized fit,
which I think will be really nice moving into this winter that is supposedly coming in a few
months. We'll see. We'll see. It's been a hot summer. Ever since we swapped over to doing
these stencil designs for like the jerseys and the mousepads, I'm in. They've been fire.
They've been some of the coolest jerseys they've ever had. Which leads us into another cool
segment. Guys, we've got about 25 minutes before the Raiders come back. We'll do the daily games.
Yeah, it's tl.ggd.rwfs. tl.ggd.rwfs for these. tl.ggd.rwfs. Game hands on these.
Things are selling out. So if you want them. I saw the mousepad was just sold out.
There was a $40 mousepad, and now it's sold out apparently.
Well, yeah, it's unlucky.
And unrelated news, this one's gone missing, I'm afraid.
We're not going to be able to use it for future emotions here.
This is a, that one's going in the suitcase tonight.
TLSHW, slash RWA.
Gotta get my hands on this one before it's the last one.
As we do, we start with the Scrandle.
Every day.
Alright, the Scrandle.
Every day, this is the bonus round.
So this one doesn't kind of give us or for us.
Chicago Dog.
What do we think is better?
One had the full screen as well, or?
Oh yeah, let me have the full screen.
Sorry about that.
And that's F11.
Alright, we're back.
Chicago Dog.
Chicago dog. So yeah, this one we just get to choose sausage in a pipe for four pounds. Not bad. Not bad. Yeah
You'd rather have the dog. I
Think the I think the dog looks a little better on the right beer just really doesn't do it for me
I personally I don't need a whole chunk of tomato in a spear of pickle on my hot dog
Hmm, that's just me. I feel like the difference in burntness of the two sides of that dog on the left
They're pretty off putting
That is a supremely charred dog.
Only on one side though.
So even if you're into that, you don't get it on both sides.
Production asked me a question, I'm gonna ask it to you guys.
What do you think about ketchup on a hot dog?
Yeah, I love it. Ketchup on a hot dog is good.
I think it depends on the dog. That's where it goes.
You know, just an only a hot dog ketchup is the only condiment that works.
I like mustard.
Ketchup on a chili cheese dog?
No, yeah, not on a chili cheese dog.
Well, that's already got the top of it.
That's the extra. That's the bonus.
Yeah, that one's just for shooting cute cute ones.
Okay.
Oh, this is tough.
we've got a beautiful korean style chicken wings on the right but then
we've got a burger on the left and burgers always win these but i think i
would still go right right looks so much more appetizing so the reason i say
this is tough i'm i'm getting ridiculed by production in my ear right now what do
i mean this is tough for those of you who are real scramble connoisseurs you
know that burgers they have always always is right in a landslide right
now burgers always score a lot higher than they should this is not a
particularly good-looking burger but a burger will almost get a minimum
floor of like 60%. I think the photo quality is hurting the burger here
because like the cheese is melted which is a higher bar look than many of the
burgers clear on this. You go to a soccer game or a football game as they
call it in England and for $5 you can get Korean style chicken wings or for
$6 you can get this cheeseburger. Which one are you buying? Obviously I'm going right.
I'm gonna go right but I think I'll be closer than we think it would be.
It'll be closer than you think. Yeah it's like yeah. Okay that was nice.
We're scoring burger on here. Okay we've got a nice soccer ball burger
versus another Korean dish this one the sticky Korean chicken with chips but it
looks like they've actually got french fries not chips yeah they both have
french fries and not chips it's a little weird joke but they might have just
written yeah my matches left in the landslide I think there's another left
one I think it's also again the burger this time does not look particularly
appetizing the soccer ball but it looks like I think it's too uncooked in
where the lines went. Yeah, we'll go left. Yeah. Again, not a great looking burger. Okay.
Oh, got some steak with potatoes and garlic on the left for 86 pounds included with a ticket
included with a ticket. Okay, so it's free. And carne asada fries on the right. But those
are some sad looking carne asada. They are and the way the sauce is just a value
at $86 meal food included with ticket. So it's free. So this is a ticket to a soccer
or a football game.
Yeah.
And this is at Paris as well, so pretty expensive part of France, the most expensive part.
Well, PSG, which is like a pretty big team.
Left is far more appetizing.
I think it's left.
I think it's left, but I...
Yeah, I think it's not close.
I mean, I think there will be a lot of people who would find the meat to like, I don't
know, pink, but...
That is a little on the rare side.
I don't know.
That's good.
I'd go left, yeah.
I'd prefer a little more cooked.
How do you guys like your...
Medium rare.
Medium rare.
Medium rare.
That does look rare.
But I'd still go left.
They disagree. That's the thing. Maybe undercooked. Maybe a little. Stake in a bun versus a pick-and-mix.
Pick-and-mix. That looks like a candle. Why did I get a Microsoft paint? Why is it 37 pounds?
Bro took a screenshot of a text. Let's go with the stake in a bun.
Lucas, it's $37 for a pick-and-mix inside of Wimbley Stadium with the bottle. It literally took a screenshot of a text.
Okay, we've got the beef, brisket, and pulled pork versus chips, sausage, and curry sauce.
To the uninitiated, this left sandwich might look sloppy, but I'm telling you that's gonna be delicious
Yeah, I would go left in a heartbeat here. Left by a heart, not even close. Wow, that was a lot closer than I thought it would be
Okay, we've got hot dogs on the left and sausage and chips on the right. Why is it green? You gotta go left because it's got peas
This is this is a sausage. Just right has peas you have to go left. Yeah, mushy peas and a mint sauce
Sausage and chips in the venomous abyss
You're getting poisoned you're eating that
Yeah, you need a dwarf ratio to eat the one on the right for sure which the Scottish do okay, right?
We've got a ten inch sausage roll and
Bacon double story burger so there here's the here's the problem with this one right again
This is scrandle. Yeah, you can't base Twitter account that a lot of you
if people follow it's based on whether or not they would eat the thing that's in the picture.
Sausage roll is going to have a much higher score than you think, although that is a good
looking burger.
I think the burger clears this time.
I think, yeah, you go for the burger, but I think the sausage roll will surprise you.
I think it's like 65-55.
Oh, okay.
It's close.
It's pretty close.
All right.
We've got the all steak pie versus the cheese burger and chips.
Now, this is what I'm talking about with the unmelted cheese, right?
You see the way that the clear definition of the lines on that slice of cheese?
But on the other hand it's a burger versus something else. I would go burger. I would also go burger here. Yeah, yeah
All right, what we got
Two more the diced beef steak deep versus the deep south burger that does look like a nice burger
That's a huge chunky burger for seven for seven quid for seven quid
I don't but I think people do I think it kind of fits the same niche as like a crispy onions or a grilled onions
I think I think it works. I'm gonna go with the burger again. I'm going burger. Yeah burger. Yeah, that's a that's a borgo
All right last one just the one blemish on our record. Oh my god slice versus the samosas that is an awfully sad looking pizza
So samosas don't I mean pretty good
Yeah, I would come with the pizza slice. Yeah, pretty pretty solid day look like a average samosas beat the average
All right. All right time for connections now. I will say I
I got spoiled on something for the connections today, so I'm gonna let you guys handle it. Okay Bow Wow top floor corn sausage
salty sheep rescue rosin dazzle
Prairie shoulder rest hunting mute and stun. Oh, so rosin rosin bag is like the first thing I went to there
It's like awesome back. No, I got I want to say I got spoiled on two groups
Okay, I got spoiled on two of the groups
I can do the other two groups, but I will not help you with the other with the other
Yeah, we if we solve the two that you know then you can help us with the last two I see
Hmm
All right, one it's a dog sheep dog prairie dog one of the other ones
Rescue rescue dog hunting dog so
Corn dogs. Oh, it's not it could be a corn. It's a lot of them. Hang on. Hold on four. I
Think rescue is the
corn sausage sheep prairie what about hunting though hunting dog is a very
no you're right okay so maybe we have to come back to that one right maybe yeah
it might be a might be a misdirection okay we'll come back to that later
okay
i think i see one that's like parts of instruments maybe it's like shoulder
rest to mute okay um and then what the bow oh
Oh yeah, that could be the, because that bow is the part of the violin that you, yeah.
And then maybe the top, like the top hat of a drum or something?
Is Rosin a part of?
I don't know what a Rosin is.
I know like Rosin begs for like baseball.
Hmm.
Is Rosin going to violin?
Do we want to try that?
It's like, could be.
Let's see.
Okay, that is one.
It's like, all right, that's not one of the ones I was spoiled on.
Okay, so it's got to be wow, dazzle, stun.
And top yeah, it's like this is like impressed really like some of the performance. Yeah impressive one away
Okay, so the top is out
hmm
Floor okay, I'm making it for you. Yeah, okay
Last two groups are all you I was spoiled on these two. These are under your spoiled on okay? Yeah, okay
So what is this dog right something dog? Yeah, so corn dog corn dog prairie dog prairie dog?
I mean, I
I think it's I think it would be hunting dog of those okay hunting dog
Yeah, all right. I mean a sausage dog is what people describe like a doxon does right but almost all these could be dog
if not that I'm looking at yeah
Hmm let's go corn hunting prairie sheep. Let's let's try that okay see if we at least get the one way
Give us a lot of information
Okay, all right, so we could be this could be a red herring calibrate here. Yeah, okay. Yeah
All right.
Let me know if you guys want to hit it too.
Nope.
Hold on.
I'm not going to help until you ask.
Yeah, we've got 14 minutes left in break,
so we've got a little bit of time to peruse here.
OK.
What else could this be?
Could be rolls or like sausage roll.
I guess there's not really any other ones.
Oh, it could be.
now now it's also dark i mean all these could be done really yeah i think the dog thing is not i
think that's uh not it yeah hmm i guess top dog would be another one right so yeah yeah it's like
literally all of these because it could be done that's what i say yeah that's funny this is the
kind of connections that makes people not want to play connections just no i like i like connections
This is fun.
Let's start looking at word ones.
They're like anagrams sometimes, they're like hidden words inside of them.
Yeah.
Kind of looking around.
I'm looking at the starts of words and the ends of words.
We've got like age and Q.
And let's see.
Yeah, I don't see any other obvious ones.
Could there be something where it's like these are words where if you put an extra thing in the front, like stop, stop, scorn, shunting.
Alright, I'm going to stop you guys. You're getting further away. You were closer at the start. Dogs?
Is it dogs? Yes, some kind of dogs?
Okay
All right
Would it ever be like
Dogs that aren't actually dogs like salty dog corn dog. Yeah, so salty dog salty corn top prairie and
Prairie and these are like dog not dog. Yeah, dog not dog and the other one is dog dog. That's funny
me. That's funny is unreal that these two are together. That is awesome on the same one.
I mean, look, I respect it. I saw this on my Twitter feed. I'm like, Oh my God, what
is wrong with them today? That is that's great. All right. Yeah, we've
Hey, you got it though. Yeah. Topical for lunch. All right. So now this one slice, Swiss
cheese. This is the Costco doll. How much Swiss cheese is it? Oh, 32 ounces of cheese.
Think about it like this, okay? How much would you pay for a pound of Swiss cheese? Hmm? I feel like a box
Okay, I was thinking like
I mean a good switch 11. I feel like Tillamook is a nice cheese
I think eight bucks for one pound. This is two pounds. So I'd say 16 bucks. Okay, but then it's Costco
So it's it's gonna take me 20% off. Yes. Let's go 1299. I'd say 1199 1199. Okay, even be lower though
What about 11? What about 1249? I
I might even be lower might be lower you like 1199 1099 okay you're the you're the
dolester oh it's cheaper all right nice eight well no way all right cheap wow I
mean that's a steal all right one more quick one one more quick game deal
Quick angle. What do we got cover art? You zoom in. Hmm. Is this
Is that border lens? It looks like border lens. It's a very distinctive art. Yeah, I don't think it's border lens one
It is a border is a border lens game. Is this a to this is this handsome Jack one? Maybe I think it's Tina Tina
I think I just wonder lens. Okay. No. Oh
Oh, wait, okay. Yeah, hang on. I think I think it might be the handsome jack one. I'm not sure. Well, no, it was correct franchise in saga
Oh, okay, so that's just a little I think Orleans two or something. It's two or three four
four Orleans three
three four
For that's five if it's not this we're in trouble
Borderlands, is it the bus one?
Last guess!
Oh, the pre-sequel?
Let's go the pre-sequel.
Let's go!
Not close. Out of the whole time.
This looks like Final Fantasy at some point.
It does.
Final, finale. I'm gonna say 7.
Final Fantasy 7 you like?
Out of the 7s.
It's not Final Fantasy.
Could be Golden Sun maybe?
Okay.
Is that could be the big Sun thing? No. Okay. It is an action RPG adventure.
It's an action RPG adventure, okay. Huh. If you want to the Tales games. Could be.
Throw out the Tales of Symphonia. It's not a Tales game. What did we get? New there.
Oh, in the bottom, okay. Yeah, I don't know. I'm drawing a blank. I don't have a blank.
Tell us anything. All right, let's get it up. Anyone in chat give any good guesses?
Is that a Fire Emblem?
I'll throw a Fire Emblem out.
I try not to read chat during these.
I don't mind them helping one of myself.
Is that a Fire Emblem?
Maybe I should be a person of chat for these.
What did I say?
Octopath Traveler?
I mean there are about 8 people there.
Nice.
I am setsune.
Oh wait no, not nice.
for the character guests and I think we are done with dolls for the day. What do we
got here? We got a boot. Yeah. We got a boot. This could be a who's boot is us.
It's like a modern. That's a modern sneaker, right? Chad. Who is that? Chad? Huh?
Chad, who we got? What are we saying? Nothing jumps to mind here. Handsome Jack.
Handsome Jack. Borderlands. It is cell shaded, which is the Borderlands art
style. Yeah. People start saying it is. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. That is the doll
Today just play chat just know that everything that you have done in your life is love to that point where you could actually name that
From one singular it's a very distinctive art style. They also had borderlands in their mind from the from the first game
Yeah, nice we done great work job excellent work. Oh
Mural update time. Oh my goodness. We were talking about this yesterday whenever we were leaving
Where she might want to start on painting?
If this is gonna be making it to the to blizzcon right it's gonna blizzcon
Yeah, we're gonna have five days of cleaning up the teeth and the accessories of these various bosses
So what's going on is our we have a muralist Eve
She's a Bay Area painter and a former wow raider and she's been painting this mural as the bosses have been going down
Her socials are at quit sweating me. I think she's been streaming
Yeah, most of us see the mural process process
Yeah, she's telling to come on over. I believe that's what's going on over there
Cool. Yeah, this is extremely cool. Is that the twin fangs on the right side? It is, yeah.
Wow. So you've got the little the blood themed one, the venom themed one. Yeah, so kind of this bit with
the mural was that she wasn't gonna start painting the mural until we killed the bosses. Yeah, but
what we ended up resulting in was an extremely detailed background. Yeah, because we had eight
days before boss died right so we were just sitting there. Trade off her. Yeah,
getting the background beautiful. We're 50% through Ulotex so maybe we can start working on 50%
What about one head per 20% we've done?
Hang on, so we've done 50%.
So yeah, if we run out of stuff to do, it could be a vibe.
Could be a trap.
Perhaps an idea, maybe?
Yeah, that's central one. That could be the final piece.
Okay, just thinking about it.
Yeah, of course. Far be it for us to interfere in the artistic process.
Don't let us tell you how to do your job.
But it looks very cool. Thanks.
Amazing.
Again, her socials are quit sweating me.
Thank you so much to Hollyland as well for hooking us up with the equipment that make all of this possible.
So, alright, that's going to be the end of our casting block.
The Raiders are still on about a six or a seven minute break depending on whether or not you're rounding up or rounding down.
Who's really to say here?
We are going to be throwing it on over to an ad read and then we will be right back right after this break.
I wish race started already.
Hey, can't see. What are you doing out here? The race started.
I love race so, so, so, so much. I love only the glasses of zenny to help me see.
I just think it's weird that race started all of a sudden.
I was thinking, what if we killed the boss, and ended the race tonight?
No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Don't do that.
No! No! No! No!
Isn't it funny that people wonder if T.H.D. is awake or not during raids?
Obviously not.
He's actually micro-dosing naps in his chair.
Sitting on a soft supportive memory foam, he really makes all the difference, you know?
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He's somehow optimized recovery for the race.
And the trick is getting the four-way lumber support on this thing just right
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So it's not even a nap, it's a cool down.
This
It's so awkward when I'm trying to call comms in the raid and he's asleep
Like at least for Klein or something. That's one of the best parts of the chair
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All right, Dratnus and I hit the lunch speedrun any percent and we completed our lunch break
in about 15 or so minutes and now we are joined by Kalamazie, a different warlock.
We had Zyronik, but now we are joined by you, Kalamazie.
Good morning.
Is that a good or bad thing?
That it's a good morning for you?
No, me as Zyronik.
Oh.
Having a warlock on the couch.
I don't know.
You know, I think it's a necessary evil.
Perfect.
Yeah, so the Raiders looks like they're currently have comms me to do a little bit of a strat discussion a little post lunch discussion
We have footage of all those polls before lunch that they may be
Analyzed and come up with some changes to in particular. We did have a nerf come in to
The damage in P2 from breaking the tethers
Yep, which is probably not going to change the strategy although they might go for a six break now
That would do less damage than a five break used to but the more the main thing is there was a nerf to the
intermission with the coils. So in the intermission where you got those eight
coils slamming around the room, it used to be a six second vulnerability to any
future hit and now it's a five second vulnerability which does mean there are
new options available for the order you could soak them. They didn't make any
changes before lunch but they may have now done that. I wouldn't be surprised if
that was one of the things they changed over the break. You had a
little bit of conversation with THD during the lunch break. I saw he was
back in the castor room. Yeah. Got any information from him? I can't leak
all my secrets, but THC is not optimistic as boss is dying today or tomorrow.
Oh no.
I mean it depends obviously, there's a lot of progression to be made still.
I think the biggest thing is you start seeing phase three like super consistently.
They're getting back there, but like there's a lot to still see in phase three.
Yeah, their phase one is still just not that consistent and I think that that's part
of it, right?
They spawned Viper.
I would say 75% of their pulls, they spawned Viper and it's just like the moment
they spawned Viper, they're pulled Viper.
The problem is we need the intermission to get clean before we can see any deeper in P3.
Because P3, if you get there with, you know, 18 people alive and a Viper, you're not going
to actually get to the new hearts that we haven't seen yet.
The Viper is, you're just a lost immediately, like it is so unfortunate.
Yeah, that's a, it's a nasty fight.
One of those things where, you know, over the course of this encounter, you probably
are dealing with north of a hundred eggs, and if you mess up even a single one of
them that one viper will be 100 eggs and 500 waves or something yeah some
ridiculous amount in baser you mean no just over the course of life just yeah
sure there was a change yesterday that they made that made waves go faster in
phase one is that true I didn't say anything I didn't see anything about
that I heard someone echo they're talking about a hot fix they made to
something that broken add-on but it made the waves and phase one move
faster I know that there was it be done I know there was an add-on that
was broken the previously there was an add-on that was very similar to the
nemesis boss add-on which you would like automatically detect it would tell you left or right
right from the start of the cast yeah and that they they changed something in the coding the waves are faster now it could be
Okay, well echo stream could that have happened? Absolutely
It's from visually looking at it. I'm not really sure
Absolutely could be true. I've seen crazier stuff before
Yes, I called alter for the 310 pulls that was not even the craziest thing that's happened this tier
No, no the number one crazy thing that happened this here was the impromptu heroic
I think her or a cool attack was the yeah, okay the craziest thing that happened this year
I think was the omnium folio pulling the whole dungeon for a couple hour over an hour there
No, no, no, actually think it was the survival hunter accidentally progding their
Catalyst unbound achievement whether they could oh yeah, that was four pieces of tear. That was awesome
It's crazy we're just continue to accelerate like what's it was craziest
I think what's crazy is wall life and Mira is both having myth of the mists
Mirra is notably getting it before he got Hero of the Mist.
Yep.
What?
He has a cloak that's 5 out of 6.
He has a cloak at 380 and yeah, the Mist is stuck there.
Where were you going to say Kalamazie?
I'm not even sure.
I lost my turn.
I thought hearing Mirra also got it too.
Yeah.
They've mainly eaten good this tier, I swear.
They are.
Where's our caster?
344 weapons.
Dude, I just realized that the top Chinese team is at 515 pulls and has not killed
Coil Valter.
I mean hey, they're at passion, they're proccin' passion.
You ever proc passion for titles?
515 pulls.
That's the Ashen.
You've never been in an Aspire's Ascension for 34 hours straight?
No.
That's passion.
That is.
That's high-pash.
Blizzard designs the dungeons way differently nowadays.
No longer are they actually making dungeons hard.
Instead they're making tents for the dads, which means that you never have to do a
weekly no-leaver anymore.
Yeah.
I'm surprised that a game he's been playing for 10 years, he's now good enough
at to make the entry level pretty easy.
No, they just made it easier.
So you may see that left arrow, but that is no longer coming from an automatic add-on.
Instead it is Ypspressing a macro that tells them to go left or right.
Oh, hopeful's dead.
You guys available, we don't have a yoke debuff, so no viper.
No viper.
Yeah.
Hopefully dying and dodge.
That'll only come to spawn.
They changed the wretch, I haven't seen this actually.
Yeah, so this is the echo strategy.
We're leaving the wretch alive and dealing with two of its bubbles, and that way
we're getting way more boss damage okay yeah so they've been they've been
pushing into the phase two at about like 62 ish percent or so yeah right
before lunch they actually took last back off of P1 okay to save it for
discretion again to try and regress the removal the removal of loss and I did
see that part right yes so they removed it again they had 67% so it how
perfect it's still a pretty considerable amount of boss damage that
they've removed yeah way more than they used to be able to do when they
We're focusing the ads exactly so where do you think we are we're at like progression wise percent wise looking at progression for this fight dying
It's like we still haven't seen phase three losses being moves a tool still are we like
60% of the way there. I'm not trying to make a joke right now. I'm actually being serious
60% of the way to progress. I think we're
That's like 65% maybe you think we're more than halfway done with progress. Oh, yeah
I mean p3 is still a huge black box
that we've yet to really delve into.
Okay, the thing for me is they haven't gotten phase one consistent at all,
even though they are continuing to try to work through the future problems.
Phase one is still wildly inconsistent.
I'm not sure it ever gets consistent, frankly.
That's where I went to.
We're in a lower situation where there's just too many eggs in too many ways,
and it's just like this really daunting task.
But in theory, maybe it gets consistent at some point.
Or maybe similar to Luro,
there will be hours of progression that is good.
I think that's what it's going to require is you are going to need to play great for four hours
in that time you're going to have like 80% of your pulls make it out of B1
and then that's going to be a four hours where you make some serious progress
but if you have four hours where you're only making it out of B1 half the time
it's going to be so hard to make any kind of consistent progress
this is tough yeah it's the hard fight being consistent on
but it feels like they're doing a little bit of reprog right now where they're trying to
to optimize a lot of damage in phase one and that optimizing comes with
reprogression. It's gonna happen though right? Like when it was gonna happen at some point too.
Yeah, we did yeah. It's always been the thing. Cams was kind of wondering as to
whether or not it would have been worth more to just have you knew that you were
gonna have to optimize phase one if it just started with the optimizing. I mean
it's tough. Or I mean the counter argument also could be sensible right
where it's like what if we still want to see P3 but the the thing is if you
show p3 echo gets to learn from that as well if you work on your p1 optimization echo already know that part right so
There's a lot of value in doing the same thing that echoes done, which is
P1 optimization instead and you know once that is clean then you're making it into p3 on these potential kill paces
Does anybody run the math in the burning for like on track? I think we are yeah
Okay, so that the comparison is roughly to heroic right and you remember week one heroic when we have these burn phases
it's like, yeah, if we get the first burn to around 60, and the second burn to around 40,
45, you know, we're feeling good, we're feeling killable.
It's so the numbers are looking killable, the problem is we haven't seen to the end of B3,
and we're actually not even particularly close.
And the, we don't know exactly how much longer the fight is on Mythic than Heroic.
We do know it will probably be longer, because P1 is slightly longer.
It's already the cast sequence is a little bit more, a little bit more going on P1 on Mythic,
and that does push back at the end of the phase by a little bit.
It does look like they are holding lust though this time again as well,
so going to be preserving that cooldown to use it for progression
rather than using it for boss damage.
Where would you use it for prop?
Whenever being used are you having trouble?
Well I guess the question is like would you use it in the intermission you're using in P2?
Those are the two things right?
I think it's a discretionary lust and if you haven't pressed it by the intermission
you're pressing it then, but if you need it in P2 you press it then.
OK. That would be my guess. And I guess maybe if you're having a perfect intermission you save it till P3 and you use it to start chewing into P3.
Yeah, the intermission is tough because actually getting all of those eggs broken while you're trying to do the tentacle slams, it's just proving to be pretty difficult.
At the same time, P2 has not gotten consistent yet, even still.
Go ahead, sorry.
No, no, no.
They have all four of them by brute skills, or doob skills up in phase two with the burn,
though, right?
Yes.
So that's where you're saying they might move lust, comparatively to this phase?
No, I don't think that lust makes that much sense.
I think it would be the intermission, like, actually using it to pop all the eggs so
you can get them all into the coils.
Basically here or...
It would be here to make sure that all of these eggs get broken in time because
there's still time, Winston time, where they're not killing this G-Skill warden
on time.
Yeah, again, I think it's probably you're just holding it until something starts
going a little wrong.
And then you're pressing it if you need it and if you don't need it then great
All right here comes that next mold so it would be nice if we could break that the next cast here
And we we have so we don't have to deal with all those eggs
THD scary maneuver is able to get through beautifully
Aware of when not just where those eggs were where those swirly's were but when they were actually going to trigger
But all the doom scales and then on the eggs in the intermission those
Yeah, that stuff is is still problematic. I mean the lusting for the intermission eggs feels bad
But I think it might be where you do it if you haven't used it by then I I feel like if they're
If it's perfect, we'll just do it in p3. Look at this
We got Nick Nick and dry near now the people that are running these doomscale eggs. Oh, yeah
We would never feel dry now. I think back to get the eggs. Yeah. Yeah
Deep breath for movement, baby. Okay
And now flying back over gonna wait a little bit to deposit to
and waiting until that yeah it's nearly done nearly uh waiting until it's just
about burnt but not quite over back was actually incredibly close not making a
ton yeah you can careful though they're really milking until the end there
typically when you see that little clock animation as well those ones are you
usually do give you an extra second at full I think this is gonna be the
last let's see it the doom scales are coming over you up and there goes
last and then do we also have a death see we can get fired up up no viper
Yeah, no Viper. That's the most important thing.
And no Viper with four Doom skills here on that one.
Oh, Zebby's dead too, but he probably has Restitution.
Yeah, he's in that Angel form in the backfield.
Home pre-sart, typically playing that Restitution.
Yeah, let's see him go for it.
Kalamazoo knocking stuff over.
It's not me. It's all stuck in the couch.
Oh no.
It was ironic I was sitting here.
Oh, it was a couple of giant mess everything up again.
Oh no, Kalamazoo's stuck in the couch.
It's okay, it's okay.
I have to help him.
Somebody please help Kalamazoo.
I'm lucky I have a lot of help in my areas.
All right, so here we are in the intermission.
Here comes soak number one.
Hopeful is not going to be in.
There's soak two far.
So three over there on X.
He's going to be in this with...
So this is one of the nerfs, Kalamazoo as well.
Right. They made it so you can basically have two teams,
I believe, correct, instead of three being required?
You could, although it's still such a fast-paced intermission.
I think they're still on three.
Does it really, yeah, is the change needed to be made, I guess?
What we'd really like here is to deliver it all of our eggs.
It looks like somebody died while carrying.
That's a lot of viper and that spawned a viper and then more viper spawn here is that beautiful start of p3 animation
But unfortunately nobody alive to see it except for a few people taking value stuns
Okay, not a bad bull though not about bull I think genuinely if they can continue to reach that intermission point and
Like say 80% of the poles were reaching that intermission point
That's where we really start to see some nice progression on phase three.
There's still a lot that has to go on in P3.
And even their intermission, it does not feel consistent yet.
I think that while we do see into P3 occasionally with 16, 18, 20 people alive,
I'm not so certain that they've ever even made it through with all 20 players
alive and it's just like, oh yeah, this is a perfect pull.
You mean through into phase three?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
But I think that that intermission is still causing them a lot of hold up.
It's tough.
Like so you were saying before you you would see a lust being a possibility there in the intermission with the coil slams
For for Prague. Yeah for the device
Actually, yeah, no, yeah, I was mixing up between like the egg dunk intermission. So, right?
We're talking with the coil intermission specifically for
Breaking the eggs on time and getting the doom scales that you're bringing from P2 into that intermission
So it's like a little bit of everything
But we're assuming less is gonna be sort of the first burn. Oh, absolutely
Yeah, the one that makes the most sense for for the kill because you get to roll it into that first burn with two targets active
So that's good. You get to use potions there and then also get them in the final burn of the fight
Which is also good. Any other less won't get both of those benefits. It's significantly more boss damage
I think that's the the main cause right right
It's looking at a side monitor here
Extremely hard fight though. Absolutely.
Is it harder to do Volatile?
Oh, they're somewhere different, right?
Pretty both.
I think it's hard in ways that we kind of equate it to Ancerek and Razageth.
It's kind of hard in both of those ways, but then it's also Volatile.
It's probably less Volatile than fights like Lura,
But it's maybe close to Fire Rack in terms of volatility, where you remember Fire Rack as like 450 pulls and it was just like never felt like phase one was even consistent even though it was supposed to be at some point.
It was just like you would always wipe to that intermission where the shield went out and you had to so called the orbs and it just like never became like even in your best like day of progression you'd be like oh yeah, they had a 40% success rate coming out of that intermission and you're like wow that's a log.
I mean both fire and lure were fights. We thought okay. We're going to bed and this boss is dead and we get up
And it wasn't we had those like day two final day racing against the clock
Laura was just phase one prison genuinely. It was just phase one prison. It was 400 pulls
It was 550 pull boss of 450 of them were phase one wipes
This is a little bit different than that because I think the glaives and the glaives are
Easier on this boss. They're waves this time and and then instead of immediately losing you spawn a viper
which means that you lose.
You lose, of course, next few minutes.
Yeah, you evidently lose, but it's not immediate.
I will say the P3 waves do look pretty intimidating,
though, especially when you're dodging
all of the other mechanics on Mythic there.
That does look like a nasty part of the encounter.
But we really have yet to see a serious attempt
at getting into that phase, right?
Almost every time we've made it to P3,
it has been barely, and we haven't really
been able to actually deploy a strat
on those first overlaps and see the next few.
So how many poles did this boss gonna take the internet knows I'm sticking with my prediction 367 I
Feel like I'm maybe closer to 467. It's a good one. I think I agree
I think it's supposed to tell us prediction and right knows this point
It is I think it's going long for sure. I mean if this boss does go to pull 400 plus. I mean you're looking at
Is that a Friday evening and I think that might be a Saturday. It might actually be a Saturday. Yeah, yeah
I asked you when his boss died. I said like there isn't any right. He left me and said
you really pull Saturday. I mean that in leaving me like the boss dies on Saturday, which means
really being Sunday. Teddows back home for three years at that point already. It's right.
It's been worked for four days. Isn't jet leaving to Monday? Jets hard out. Okay.
I think we'll be done by then I would hope so I think you know if this boss would naturally die later than the Monday
I think a finger will be placed on the scale by Blizzard entertainment
Cast is down to four casters. Yeah, they started with I think it was seven
But now they're down to four they even Titan Forge preach preach finished all of his preach con obligations
And then Titan Forged onto their broadcast. No, I did DM Spen last night
Little enemy illusion here. Yeah, he said you best not believe you best believe I'm not missing blizzconk
The race will first so it goes to the race spends leave us Wow
He's hitting blizzconk. He had to pay out of pocket for that. He's like missing his vacation. So
Thank you, I didn't want the boss either, but you know still regardless. I do wonder though if it's gonna
Sort of inhibit some players you had in blizzcon
Here in the race. Oh
It's going to be like for post-credits that it'll be okay.
Yeah, it's funny because you say that, and I was sitting here, I was talking to NPEC and Wolf Disco at lunch,
and they were both talking about the fact that they had like Airbnb's that the rental actually starts today.
They have the Airbnb rented today because nobody thought that the race could possibly have lasted this long.
Yeah, moving flights again for a better time. It's going to be truly phenomenal.
I'm excited though.
though. I woke up this morning, talking about stay the race a little bit, and saw that echo
was wiping a lot in phase one. Hmm, phase two as well was proving to be pretty tough.
Yeah, phase one and phase two. Yeah, I mean, I went to bed with them actually killing cool
Walter. Yes, they won't chuck cool Walter. Yeah. And I also went to bed seeing that.
I was like, okay, wow, this is, this is a really big deal. And then they want,
what happened? How did they not get back to P three that much? I mean, I didn't
watch a whole lot of it but I saw like their progression log I'm working on
trying to see this as a screenshot yeah yeah I mean I could you anybody watching
it or just like no but I'm happy to make things up
she might make something up yeah yeah yeah I think the relearning of P1 with
the lust off I guess they were already doing some of that in last reset though
compared to us who weren't yes that's correct yeah P2 proving that the
damage of those tether brakes needed in Earth and then they achieved it
Getting it delayed until they were about to go to bed, a little unfortunate.
This thing's happened though.
What happened to us last week, right?
Yeah, it happened to a cold altar for us, and then...
That's the idea, well, that's how it is.
Yeah.
Right.
Egg broken just in time, the roar out to go and grab right before these next waves.
Very sketchy timing created by letting that welp live as long, or like that wretch live as long as it does.
The fact that they have one wretch up while the new wretch spawns is really funny.
They're literally leaving nothing alive as long as humanly possible.
The movement on these waves as well, going into these coils.
I know that THD was a little bit pessimistic.
I really do feel like their movement and the way that they're doing phase one is getting cleaner.
It's getting better.
It is.
It's just, is it getting better at a pace that, you know, speaks to a kill this year?
I, yes.
That is the question.
Okay, so if you're looking to nerf like, hypothetically, your task at Blizzard
to nerf this boss in a way that's like supposed to be reasonable you were you were working at blizzard
yeah what would you do here maybe wave speed that's what they did to glaives to wave speed
they can break my monster here sorry cut me off guard do you mean like for a race for a first
nerf yeah like race nerfs like say say that somebody at blizzard was like hey we need to make
sure this is over by blizzcon uh you know young calamazi you're in charge of the nerf what are
What are you doing?
Young Kalamazoo.
Sorry.
Middle-aged Kalamazoo.
You're in charge of the nerf.
What are you doing?
Uh...
I think you hit deal skill health.
Okay.
Probably coming out of phase two.
Yeah, I can see that being a pretty strong one.
Tentacle slam damage?
Yeah, possibly.
Or you could reduce the duration of the effect again more, but I think you might
hit the dip and slam damage a bit.
You could hit a wretch health a bit too, maybe, but I feel like they've sort of
figured it out.
Yeah, the wretches seem like they're under control, although I'm a little worried.
Phase three is what I'm worried about.
I'm worried about the p3 wretch.
I will admit, so the things that you're not talking about, you're not talking about boss HP, you're not talking about complete overhauls of the fight, you're talking about small ad changes and damage intake stuff.
I don't think they need to change boss health right now, I mean, like Dretner said, it seems like they're probably on check within a reason, but...
I don't think boss health is the right way to nerf this one, yeah, I think ad health.
Because I think if you nerf boss health too much, it just becomes one of these sites where it's like survive to the end, and you're optimizing on boss doesn't matter, and that is a really unsatisfying texture for an ad boss.
It feels like a consistency problem, where there's just too many
fighters that get spawned to make this fight really.
To allow like linear progression to be seen, right?
Like, it's not like we haven't seen into P3.
It's not like we haven't seen a lot of I mean, Echo had an insanely deep
hole where they even saw all the way to the ranch.
Like they I think that they saw eight minutes of the fight,
eight minutes of like a 10 minute boss.
But the fact that you can't reproduce that in hours and hours of gameplay,
I think that that is the problem that I have with it is just the consistency of this fight seems extremely low
Someone in chat asked wasn't there a tingle nerfed a seeds for a store first there was and that's actually an interesting precedence as well
So in the race to world first tingle had three second seeds on both the second and third platforms
And it was nerfed only for the third platform to be five second seeds
They also nerfed that boss by 25% HP. Yeah, that was also it
And in both cases, right? It was like hey
We're we actually think that it's too hard P2 is too hard as well
But we aren't gonna nerf it because it's already been beaten
And that would be something they could do with this as well
So they could do some targeted like hey, we're gonna pre-nerf some P3 things. I
Feel like that would really suck though like if they make P3 easier and this just becomes a
You know P1 is by far the hardest part of the fight simulator
Right, I'm not as much a fan of those n bosses is the ones where it's like yeah P3 gets crazy towards the end
I think I think wave speed and like I
I think ways to use like a really good one because that really does it impact the
Possibility it removes the possibilities of spawning a fight for and I think that the fight for spawns are the thing that are impeding progression the most is just
because if
If somehow we can get these racial first skills to a point like you from blisters, but if you can get the racial first skills to a point where
70% of their poles are coming out of you one. Oh, that's good. That's the actual progression
But if it's you every other like every pole you get two vipers. I mean, there's not much
Yeah, I mean the biggest like the most frustrating part of this fight probably is the viper volatility
Yeah, like one just one of these days
It's like it's such a frustrating way to wipe as well cuz like yeah 90 people are still alive
You're all full health and you just know you're gonna die
And like you still make the call of like oh try and keep going you'll hear max say that a lot right like
Try and keep going but it's it's so cursed. It's like you've been vipered. They're like it's yeah
It can happen any face to right? Yeah, it's an hour. He's dead
Yep, I like I mean the deep of itself. It's like the viper is just so nasty as well because it it'll jump
Yeah, I believe on somebody now. It is more interesting the lure where you just yeah, that's a full day
But now we're at a point where you spawn a viper and you've lost anyways
There's a question chat about how sure we are about the 10 minute in rage obviously don't have the in rage for sure
We know that heroic ends at about 940 950 mythic P1 is a couple seconds longer than her okay one
So far, the mythic P3 might also be longer?
So the pacing seems pretty consistent though.
P2 I think is the exact same length as Heroic.
The intermission is the same length.
P1 is a little longer.
The cast sequence as well on the first platform break is the same as Heroic.
Yeah, so I suspect it will be about 10 minutes based off that, but there have been bosses
that have had the same cast sequence up until the enrage and then it's different.
Raigalon, same cast sequence, then it's a 30 second enrage on Mythic and an 8
on the other difficulties.
Yeah, so there's a little bit of a different ending too, only very slight dude
Could you imagine if it's Saturday?
We've been pushing the boss to like to five percent for like day for a day. We finally get the kill and
the achievement doesn't pop
Some it's a man. Chad. I think you guys starts
You guys summarize the last 12 hours or both skills just struggling to get into p3 all day like what is going on?
I think it's a mix of a handful of things, right?
I mean we've seen both feel it try and move lust around a bit for a bit more of a progression angle
Both because they're optimizing damage in the first burn a bit more now
There's been some changes the liquid strike compared over the echoes
Sort of like replicating echo strap by not killing those wretches super quick and getting more boss image in
I mean also like just it's the volatility the fight to right like Viper spawning randomly
It's a mix a lot of things. I mean was there anything else moving out here really try no sir
It's there was a slight nerf that did get applied to the boss. Yeah, the nerf did hit, but I mean like
I think the one consistency is the primary culprit here, and then P2 consistency is the
other.
Yeah, that's right.
Okay, there's multiple things that can halt progression.
Yeah, we haven't had a great intermission yet, but I'm not mad about the intermission
progression, right, because we just haven't gotten there very often, and it is improving
each time we get there.
We just get there so infrequently because of the difficulties of P1 and P2.
Yeah. I think overall though, liquid, we were recording a recap yesterday and we were talking about the date that they had on their re-clear and the 23 pulls on Coiled Altar and how impactful that was going to be.
As it turns out, maybe less so than we thought.
Will attack proves to be formidable and as it turns out those two hours, probably not going to be the end of the world at the end of the day.
Yeah, it always feels like every day is the most important,
but you've got to remember in the race world first,
the most important day is the last one, right?
And the second last one is the second most important, right?
It's all about how well you play
on the end boss at the clutch moment.
Reclear being bad is bad,
but it is nowhere near decisive in a race like this.
Yeah, it's tough.
We had a pretty,
a Reclear was solid up to poor Lulb.
Even Cissarack was not great.
But yeah.
I didn't see what's next.
It was six attempts. So even though it's not great, it's like it's a bit lower impact. Yeah
I could accept that.
I was afraid of twin fangs as I was called all through which did not end up being the
case of needing to be that worried but I mean Ekko also had a bit of like odd progression
yesterday when they yeah they didn't really see a whole lot of like these three pulls
for a good bit of time there too.
Did they even see a P3 pull?
I don't think for the last portion of their raid they did. Maybe like towards the very
end. I'm not sure exactly. That's not a long day too. They got up a really
Yeah, it's hard to progress. It's impressive they were able to do their reclear so swiftly
But there is a limited value in doing 12 hours of reclear and then being like okay, let's do four hours of mythic
Google tech progression
Right, yeah, it's uh, yeah, it's it's interesting because echo had a
Pretty undeniable good day in terms of their reclear, but if they didn't get any advantage of it off of the tech
It's hard to like really their rule of tech progression. They did feature one
Nice deep roll right before they went to bed basically
But other than that, they from poles 212 through 262 they were not making it into that third phase.
Just phase one over and over again?
Yeah, I mean phase two, phase two simulator largely.
Okay, actually, oh phase two simulator.
Yeah, which, and then that phase got nerfed as they were going to bed, so.
If they can three, I mean if their phase one is consistent, that's actually pretty big.
I mean, there are one here as well, but there are also a lot of P2 wipes.
Yeah, it's probably about half the wipes they had, there were phase two wipes.
Roughly it's like up down up down down the whole time. I mean there was some consistency in phase two, but
Oh my goodness THD
He's fine. Yeah, so he's one of the quarters which means he has to play on their edge of the platform
And he's looking out for a shotgun coming at him from the right here
Figuring out where he can find a safe spot from it. Has he casted a single global of the last like 15 seconds
Yeah, if you know has a few more movement global than you used to
3, 2, Day 1.
Goodness gracious.
That was clean movement.
Yep.
Man, if you got any damage globals off there,
it is remarkable.
All right, into the heart phase we go.
Yeah, no lust being committed here either.
They're best burning around 67% or so.
Without lust.
Yeah, without lust they're able to get it down.
61.
62, yeah.
66.
That area.
Good one.
I want to say 67.
Drowns please, come on.
67.
Yeah, there we go.
OK.
69.
Nice.
We got 68?
Okay, then...
Wow, the right in between two really funny numbers.
That's a field goal right between the uprights there.
On the 68.
We'll take it.
THC delaying the gateway until the other side gets to use the original gateway.
Now running down the north hallway.
They're gonna be cleaning these eggs down here, bringing this warden in, making sure
to gather up or kill all these small eggs quickly here and gather them all up quickly before we dunk the final egg.
Not enraging these smaller eggs beforehand.
CSP always procs, cheat is a very common thing to happen here, so we have our first set and only set
Hopefully of these six tethers. Ooh, goop getting meleeed I think by the rolling
That's a lot. Yeah, first pop comes out, pop comes in here, so you can see the damage of one pop. How about
Five, there come all the rest, every defensive, everything, all buttons, yeah
And you can see those ticks are pretty serious, but with all these defenses deployed against them
It's actually very safe field. Wow
And that last mold, they want to beat this cast of the Riving Gestation.
Which they do with the E's very nice.
Oh no, THC!
It's two vipers!
A friend!
And that was nasty.
Man.
And now you lose.
And this is the end of that.
This is the really cool part of the fight where you lose to two vipers.
There's no coming back from it whatsoever.
I mean, in a lot of fights, losing a player, there's a fortune of being a res available.
But losing him there means two vipers spawn and lose a player.
Even if you res him, these vipers are just a pain.
It's over, the whole side's dead.
Yeah, so you have two stacks of a dot on the entire raid that last for one hour and
Each dot represents about
600,000 HPS on the raid required for the remainder of the fight a little bit less
You know it'll eat some overheels, so a little bit less so two of them
Maybe about an extra million HPS that you need now. Oh, wow
And you have two vipers which?
There's a laboratory
Somewhere in Southern California where the evilist mobs are created and these vipers escaped
containment from that laboratory. They aren't CC-able, they pick somebody, they put a big
circle around them and then they dive on that person and stun them and put a 70 bazillion
heal absorb on them and they're stunned until that heal absorb is removed. And also anybody
else that's nearby also gets that. And then they also just blast the raid for a bunch
of damage while they're alive too.
A.K.A. you lose.
So it is, it's a fun way of losing while getting to feel hopelessness for several
seconds as you lose I heard you say you you at least it's not the Lura instant
bang everybody dies thing it is I prefer the instant bang everybody died rather
than that false hope that you might be able to possibly survive I think that the
especially early on in progression the fact that it was an instant bang really
allowed you to continue to see more mechanics you know I guess that's fair
like okay so they move into p3 and they have a viper up they are going to
I liked it, you said Viper, but you can actually see the next couple of rotations of mechanics.
I think one of their better intermission pulls early on on the side, tend to Viper activities a little bit, I guess you're correct.
Again, I'm not saying that it's a good, I think that pass-fail has been quite a bit overused as of late, in a way that doesn't feel that satisfying.
And that's the worry that I have is that it doesn't feel satisfying.
I think that this one is slightly better, but again, I would prefer they go in a different direction.
Yeah, difference of opinion, difference of opinion.
Do you like this?
No.
OK.
No.
So it's the same event.
It's just a difference of opinion of the past.
Yeah, I would prefer it to be the Lura bang.
I just remember, dude, I remember
Halondra's.
Halondra's is the least satisfying one of them all.
I love Halondra's bangs.
That was so funny.
Oh, man.
It was terrible.
It was terrible from casting the race.
It was terrible playing.
That was so funny.
Oh, it's just, if you're game, it's like, well,
what do we lose to?
It's like, because if it's not your bomb that goes off,
you just have no idea.
Yeah.
I remember effort, Tumasar Garrus.
Tumasope Garrus.
a long time ago.
Kettles is young, Gragas is fairly young.
We'll have the Unction Kalamazoo talk.
There is an article that Blizzard put out.
I've been looking for it for years and they mentioned the Blue Coat saying we want to
move away from raid wide one shots and these pass fail checks and the next raid
and every day afterwards it's just spiraled through these pass fail checks like for the
for years to pass or days to pass or whatever based on that article was like
published date.
But I also wonder if like we're at a point in the race where what else do you
really do?
I mean that's the thing, right? It's a mythic unboss that has to be really hard.
How do you make it really hard if you don't make it punishing? You can't, right?
Then you get a Gallywix type thing, right, where it's like, okay, this is too easy.
The joy is you get to complain either way. That's the fun part.
And as WoW players, very little more fun than a good complain, Zesh.
I think it was a good point, this tier of the vault being irrelevant, we too.
Oh, yeah, I love logging in for two minutes seeing my bolt just logging out for the raid
Dude, my coin. I had a I had a generational run of bonus rolls this week
I had
Mythic maze row with my death night's first bonus roll
Then my second bonus roll which I had because of the bonus roll change last week
Which I am mad about still but that one hit the the cantrip leg
Okay, I have an idea for you and my talent in his game
the other coil altar weapon on mythic the
Yeah, the one-hander I have a video series idea for you. Uh-huh. What if instead of the vault series?
Yeah, the bonus roll that'd be good. Well, no, you you also record you take it the vaults if you go, okay
I've bonus bonus roll bonus roll bonus roll
Then you show where they need to use. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, could be a good idea
Could be fun. He's not gonna be the problem is they the RNG is only super interesting in the first few weeks of the season, right?
because then the rest of the season is just like,
and there's one item left on my loophole.
I wonder which one I'm getting this week.
Tettles has that same feeling.
It's like when you shake your Christmas present right,
and you hear the things rattle around inside.
I wonder which one I'm getting this week.
Oh wait, this is not what they expected.
I know.
That was furious.
Oh yeah, for those of Chad who don't know this story,
Tettles also lost a bonus roll this week,
but he's never gonna get back.
I'd like, it was just so dumb.
I just made a mistake.
He bonus rolled Lost Explorers in Balanced Loot Spec, which unfortunately is not the right
Loot Spec to bonus roll that boss if you're a Balanced Druid, which is another, I think,
fair gripe with the system.
I didn't, okay, like, for the record, this was just a mistake.
Like, I don't think it's like, oh yeah, Blizzard made this error.
It's more just like, it's so unfortunate that I was so excited to bonus roll the
boss and I forgot that I needed to actually loot them out of Balanced Specialization
in the feral because since the item is guaranteed I really trying to dodge this
334 weapon because I'm 200 craft and yeah just bonus rolls balance without
thinking against weapon was really sad well you know last half full pedals once
again when you miss roll next week as well it won't be there for you to roll
it you actually need to stay balance if you're gonna roll that boss in future
because well actually I guess I have to go back to third I need to actually go
back to feral but well it doesn't matter anymore right because the blue
table for either would be the same now is it merged is it merged on spec well
you've removed the balance weapon from the pool either way even if you say
balance you can't you have a little second time like if you can't get the same item again
no okay okay okay you know this character for his loot spec specific
well either way balance if they're only history items looking at score I bonus
roll the belt last week or the week before I wish it was back I'm feral
Okay, you should go back. Yeah, I didn't know you'd already bonus rolled the boss ones properly
Okay, I'm mad at myself. I'm mad at myself. I shouldn't have done that I know I know I know I know
Well, you could take an L for science to see if you can coin the belt second time. Yeah. Yeah
That would be fine. I think if your video series it would be good. No, it will not
Dude, it will not be it will not be this
Ending my videos here is in deleting my character
You're it's your your week two video was like I had a really bad great night, right?
You have really bad right now says right. Yeah, now you're gonna do another one
It's like I had a really bad bonus rule guys. I'm really stupid
All of them are just gonna be various really bad things you've done see every tea
I'm a chance to get you getting up from my age, right? So that was some pedals are getting good 30
He told me one.
Okay, Atlas is 32.
He told me yesterday, for the first time in a while on Demensia, or ever,
he lost his cursor in combat.
I sat up in my chair, like, yes.
He looked right at me, like, we're connected now.
So, every tier, Blizzard makes one of the two unkiller bosses.
All right, so Zorak is the unkiller of this tier.
And when I test them on PTR, I know it.
You guys threaten us. He knows I know it.
And this is your first unkiller boss.
Okay, so how do people at your accelerated age deal with these unkillers?
Well, you've got to take some measures to stay functional in this new environment.
Okay.
So getting a nice circle around your mouse cursor can be helpful.
Some timeline reminders that say, like, don't fall off here.
That kind of thing could be good.
A little reminder, like, you won't want it, like, 5.54 on Lost Explorers that says set roots back to Feral.
Yes. Low key.
Low key, I actually think that part of the reason that I was not having a good time on
Cizerac is because the first half of the night was good, the second half of the night was
bad and I think I'm not getting enough sleep at the race generally.
Yeah.
And then it's like, I'm fading of the second half of the race.
Yeah, it's very hard to get away from the race.
We talked about this a couple of days ago.
It's hard.
I think people, let me run, the race is phenomenal.
So much fun.
I think people often think it's like a vacation or a party.
Brother, we worked the moment we get through the bed.
Yeah, right.
When you get to the hotel, you just die for eight hours from back.
Let me just say, all of those YouTube videos that I make during the race, I've stayed here
until 2.30 am.
I might get like an hour a day and a night to wrap up stream stuff or video stuff or
a Taco Bell.
There's some funny pictures posted.
We're not sitting here partying every night, like no way.
Most of the days it's like the Taco Bell rides, I eat my yummy food and I'm out
of here.
It's almost really good to eat right before bed as well.
That's one of the things that's helpful for sleep and recovery.
We record recap video at 12.30.
I send it over, post it, it's like uploaded by 1245 and hopefully we get out by one.
We say for like two weeks later.
Oh, THD, the shotgun.
Nice maneuver.
Ah, he's got his gun.
Yep.
That was a bit of a scary demonic circle because he had to circle into danger.
No other way around it though.
Dude, he is in the cut.
He is in the cut.
Oh my goodness.
Really well played though.
Wave cover does fly.
Run!
It's boots around it.
Cine is down, Bataraz is available, but unfortunately Vipers.
Unfortunately, Viper's.
We have Viper's.
Okay.
The fact that we have a Viper that's not from THD is remarkable.
Yep, and now we get the joy of the slow death.
The Viper's.
And...
People bleeding out.
And it is all over.
THD needs a good deal for his entire guild for some Zenis.
Zenny's. Yeah, I got to increase the visibility on those waves, huh? On those waves, yeah.
See, Cam's got to go pair it yesterday, actually. I did. I saw Cam's got two pairs as well.
Looking good. Looking good. Yeah, Cam's, it's interesting, because like, I would look
at his face and I'd be like, that is perfectly chiseled and can't get any better. And
then I saw it with the Zenny's at it, and I was like, oh my goodness, it has
gotten better. I didn't think it was possible. Striking. Where did that come from?
I've had to double take. What? I'm just gassing up my friend.
No, I do this all the time.
That's good.
They try to spend a friend you want to have.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Tell looks at me with a smile on his face.
I see the wheels in his head turning.
I was just laying on me.
I was just going to circle it back and just ask,
how do you maintain being functional?
You see, here we go.
Um, you just sort of accept it.
Remember, it starts to go. You get older.
You know, you lay in bed more than you used to.
sort of you know bed route a couple hours every day and your body seems more
kind of recuperate and recharged but what I have learned caffeine makes a big
difference during rate that's right you'll late monster energy oh I haven't
been hitting the PM you should and that's right I need to be hitting the
PM well my last monster when late raid starts I can drink it through raid
and be done yeah I think that's as good if you're if you're going to
sleep well after rain which you do you go to bed at like 4 anyway right you work
the generate even here which is remarkable yeah I'm having morning shift
yeah yeah if I had dreadnought's shift you would never see this yeah yeah like I
would if I have it if I gotta be somewhere I eat in the morning where it's here at
home you stay I'm in bed by midnight no no no no no no we know you know you
don't really step through the night to make it's over in the morning sure
I'll just say yeah but I'd be like like I got a flight home at like 7 in the
I'll stay up at night, I mean it's like a seven a seven I'm staying up for eight though
That's what I'm sleeping early. I want to sleep in the plane Teddles. It's a difference
It's a different thing I can sleep on planes. I get on the plane half hour later. I'm home
That's great. All right, so for those who were just joining us Kalamazoo
Why don't you just run down like what we're seeing mechanically because I feel like we haven't talked about like all the
Mechanics all too off too regularly here. Yeah
Yeah, well we've seen a handful of Phase 1 wipes in the last few pulls here, but Phase 1,
and there's a lot of discontistency that's needed to be had here, so like, obviously we have that
retch similar room here, which they've changed their strat, they're basically leaving up so they
can get more damage on the boss. We're going to burn it a little bit here, but main focus
will attack here. The egg's wanting to have this shield from them as well, which is going to be
broken. The boomkin's carrying a lot here, shut up, we're going to use it as well.
Once those are broken, you can then run through the egg, grab it, and bring it over to
to the tentacle slam that's coming out about half a minute here, yes, it's for cake.
And the big thing here, I should sort of show you what's happening.
The big thing here is this wretch cast right now.
You have to be in that dome when it casts the effect to basically avoid the dot it puts out in the raid
and not touch any other player at the same time.
Right after that, you have to spread into that tail swipe there,
which breaks the egg since farmed these Rawlings and P2A lead down.
If any player touches another player with an egg,
green like base toxic effect of those waves there, it spawns a viper. A viper wipes the
raid and that can happen basically in phase one or phase two or the intermission basically
as well. So there's a lot of like pass bail checks here but that's basically the rotation
of the fight there. The wretch once again be in that dome and the gate be dot and
the raider puts out. There are more eggs spawning in here as well. It's going
to be shielded, another wretch coming in here also. It's mostly rinse or repeat
the next minute or so here until the boss exposes his heart for that venomous heart
part burn and the mission begins.
I heard something.
Chad, any further questions back in Mechanics?
I think that was a good summary of what we're seeing.
Phase one is something that if you're going to tune into the Rachel first, you're going to see it pull in and pull out
and it's basically just the most important phase of the stop to the stop.
I know, I definitely could have worked that out.
Chad, that's what I'm talking about.
I'm smiling because I love the World of Warcraft encounter.
Okay, let's all work out this.
Well, we're seeing some dodges of the eggs here.
Making sure that THD, again, continues to play on this side.
The room is going to circle in a second over that line of incoming waves.
And now he has to watch out for the incoming waves from the left
after this soak resolves.
There they're coming and he's going to have to dodge forward this time.
They have to wait to do it until that slam does actually go off
inside this bubble one last time.
and it'll be time for the rage of the shackled burn phase on the boss.
Lust would be rolling here and will be on the kill, we think.
But they are holding it for progression purposes from here.
Yeah, they don't have any of those vipers that respond, that we've seen spawned over and over again,
and so you can look for that yoke debuff, it's like that green egg icon.
And that's basically, a wipe is imminent every single time you see that.
You might be able to get a bit further to the fight with that one yoke debuff,
but it's not very long. It's a large healing requirement on the raid. We're splitting science here and doing the five tether snap
It becomes basically insurmountable on healable. But for now we have no yoke from the raid. We're heading in a phase two with all
20 life here and one pound of res available, which means there could be a point of progression here
Bring that warden over the egg, break through the shields as you can pick them all up. So they normally beat this DPS check
I feel like this has gotten really consistent for them. Yeah
So the I mean they beat the DPS check by about a second on a good ball here here come the next grasping fangs
This is the big mechanic of this phase. This is the one that was nerfed
So every time one of these pops they're gonna get this debuff. There's that first one
It's a one sack you can see up in the top left
And this is dealing pretty heavy damage and now they're gonna pop the remaining five all at once
And that is a five inside AMZ darkness. We have unending resolve rolling as well
I believe and easily able to get through that now this warden will be able to cast a shadow mold
And it would have been fine after the Shadowmult finishes it would start the next cast
Which is the gestation that is the cast they need to be so they were about four seconds ahead of the check on killing the Warden this time
Which is the fastest we've seen them do it without last something
That's also kind of unique about this fight is you have to run as a group
Not stacked up right because those eggs whenever you're carrying the eggs exactly whenever you're carrying the eggs
If you walk on top of somebody else who's also carrying the egg you end up spawning two vipers
Which means that you're gonna be wiping.
Yeah, you get to double wipe.
Yeah, it's a double wipe here and there.
Basically, you saw THD,
he was running up against the wall the entire time.
He ported back towards Kalimansi's cauldron.
Yeah, I heard that.
It deposited the raw leg.
That's right, the stove top,
or the head, with the eye of the stove over there.
And now we've got the focus set on one of the...
Oh, Curse of Tongues.
Yeah, phone's worse here.
You can drop the lands as well, and we're going to be gating back over.
So, there's the lust, and we're going to use this to try and get rid of these Doom Scales
so that we can have a clean intermission push.
This lust will also roll into the intermission and help us kill some of the eggs,
if we're able to survive until then.
You can see a couple of poisons out, a couple of people that aren't tanks that were getting
autoed by a few of those Rawlings, but all of them now resolved.
All the Rawlings are dead.
Last few Doom Scales are going down.
You can see THD is targeting the Doom Scale instead of the heart,
which is not going to be possible on the kill, we think,
but it's going to be used here for progression.
That kick does land as well, and final few points of help on the final two frames.
That's not true.
Yeah, we have 5% coming out of the burn.
The question though is, we live through this intermission.
Can we break all these eggs and spawn only Rawlings? No vipers.
This is very hard. It's harder than it looks.
You have to break the eggs, which means you can't pop them into the first few of the coils.
And then you need to actually get them into future coil search without running on top of another egg carrier.
Very, very difficult combination of mechanics.
You can see THD there.
looks for and identifies an egg to grab, then he is going to be on that skull soak in five seconds,
which I'm not sure how that adds on those, where he's going to be all these times.
They're pre-assigned spots. It's like a pre-assigned sequence.
Okay, yeah. So it's the same ones every time, unfortunately.
I think there's only three sequences in total.
I see it. So whichever one the first is, it tells you the whole rest of it.
Pretty much.
I see. Well, that is illuminating.
And, yeah, we've got...
We have a viper.
I don't think we have a viper.
We have one viper.
Two. Two vipers.
Okay, so this is going to be tough maybe can progress for a little while though into this phase
We're gonna go over the water with the bosses now phase 3 does feature quite a few changes from heroic first change
These eggs that drop are gripable
But they also will slowly start waddling towards that whirlpool in the middle and if they reach it
They will hatch into vipers immediately that you can see them moving in towards the world there running
Yeah, they're pretty quick, but you know, I think they're easier than the heroic eggs
I'm gonna say it because you can grip them as long as you have a death knight in your comp which has not always been true for all the bosses
Then they I think are easier because you can just get all four of them onto that platform with the boss and just meet grinder them down. I
Think it also I think it's a bit easier because you're able to get more boss damage
With those ads as opposed to like the eggs where you had to have people jumping off the platform and going in
individually targeting the eggs
That was a great pull for Liquid though.
Even though they had the Vipers, even though they messed up that intermission, the intermission
is kind of one of the biggest learning points right now.
I think that they probably, every single time they make it to the intermission, they have
probably about a 5% chance of making it to P3 successfully now.
Yeah, so they're still working through it.
Starting to improve for sure.
I mean, that pull was great.
We've got to follow it up with more pulls like that.
All right, so we're going to be tossing on over to Monster Energy Listen and
see what they're gonna be saying about the intermission as well trying to get
that more consistent. Like I feel like we should say like dunk your eggs in the
mid and three two one and both sides I can look at both pubes and I can call
like the sink the synced dunk. Do you think that's better than like some
spawning early? You know I don't know. Who actually enraged here? Is it the
birds that are coming from like is it these or these the ones that go off?
I think all those stuff are not...
Should the crumb not just be like on the way like during the amp here it should just be like a we wrong and that's what you guys are doing right you're a wing rollings.
We're just full cleaving here maybe we just need like a couple like a cap totem right now would go crazy.
Some stun or something like right around now.
When does the cask go off?
Yeah
That's too late for a captain right yeah, it's very fast. It's a one-second
Can just like Trill and Shaq do you guys have this boom bar chocolate kid
Yeah, turn that on and when you see a boom just send us on you put a sound on it
I don't know.
Boom, the only boom time I have is voice bar.
Light Blinder.
Is it a...
Is it all thing cast bar?
Is that what it is?
Yeah, I think so.
But that shit needs fucking...
If you can put a sound on it, isn't that just like super pissed?
Yeah, I'm adding a sound.
I'm adding a looping sound on it.
The moment one starts casting, bro.
All hands on deck.
Okay, so let's see what happened in this phase.
I'm assuming like it was just cooked,
because we just have fucking dots, right?
I mean, one second's dots are pretty bad already,
but we lived the dot, it's just the later ones.
So this group is only soaking these three marks on this set,
and you did get the first on diamonds.
Remember to try to make sure you stay
more central for healing, just for a scenario here.
I'm pretty sure if you guys are here instead of here,
you'll be in range of drying at least,
I don't know how much that matters.
Like for, do you guys see how it does damage?
It does like, I'll play it in sequence and call it.
It's like damage one and then two,
and then it's a huge delay, right?
So like you definitely just want like upfront stuff.
We need like, we need some big like healing event
in between one and two,
and then we're like kind of chill, right?
And then it's like big damage in three, two, one now,
and then after, boom, and that killed someone with an egg.
And then by the way, you should have had this,
I'm not gonna worry too much about personals
because they almost said they're already assigned
and you guys already have like full assignments for these,
so I'm not gonna worry about it,
but like that is when your personal should be up
on this second hit for sure.
If you pop your personal for the second hit,
it lasts for the remainder of the phase,
including the last three, if it's a 10 second personal.
So like popping right before the second hit
is go to this fuck.
Then this goes off.
mine's 15, can I help with the first?
No, 15 is...
if yours is 15 you would want to pop before this one, the first or the second
how would you guys like me to calm the raid damage in this phase?
I did like set of two coming and then I said one, two
but that's like kinda delayed, I don't know the best way to do that
I feel like you guys need to know when the actual damage is coming.
A few of you guys got low from the second tick and then popped a personal, but there's
no damage happening for almost six seconds, right?
You just got to know when you're- let me go through some PVs.
545
What are you guys rewinding
550
540 now
After a second time, yeah, maybe 540 could be good
Just so people have panic press
Well, whoa
I mean
Wait, so say you didn't give me a sign of the press earlier. I heard an error also
So, like, we're consuming our ransom on the first day.
So people are being up in the second half.
I mean, people are pressing their, like, big personals
on the late, like, all the later ones, right?
That would be significantly harder to do.
Wait, so when is rally supposed to happen?
Is it before the first?
I think his rally was perfect.
It'll last for the rest of the day as many personals.
Yeah, but if everyone has personals for these four,
I'm more concerned about the second hit of this I'm saying we should I think
this is really one just rewind the first set and then we could do it deferred
it even
but we will have everyone everyone should have personals as well yeah right
if you want to say but also just press the personals or like after the
second personally I feel like this blue line right here is a lot more
dangerous than this green so like if the healing occurs from here to here even
if it's less than a more value rewind of in between like you just kind of have
more time you know I feel like you should want we went should go after the
second hit okay it's during oh that's it that is what you're doing that's what
means to me yeah it could be fine to do it on the first of this one and then
people just have eggs later as well right like that's what it is
mark when when are you turtle it how long is turtle I was
turdling in like one second but I should just not pick up an egg and pick them up
when I'm turtle those just yeah steak I was feeling about they were like
turdling and picking up like two eggs during the turtle but how long is
turtle them it's eight seconds I already had it set up oh yeah you're just
gonna be turtle for the last three hits okay yeah
like an overkill just need more reps there and also it's not it's not actually
I don't know if the shrieker does really matter early well people might
impress the shrieker don't what about the splat death though right splats 100
percent HP even after the shrieker actually I guess he takes a tick of
something there but like whereas it's less on a range or anything he's
literally the middle of the room zero shot but where's bother the main yeah
health that because I'm just trying to say that they're for yeah well he has to
break out the exit yeah yeah yeah I mean we got to break out the eggs but I
I hit that one right there.
Yeah, 66% of the damage.
I think you're out of that.
Is that the best we know of?
HPBs are like a problem.
Is there a better way to communicate
when ray damage is happening?
I don't think it did.
Only he needs something.
We could give him extra and all of something.
And I think this bar isn't the best.
The bar is good for me.
It should be multiple small bars for every hit.
Did you just add oracing damage in 3, 2, 1
to max on me and max and just count down the damage?
I can see that I do not need a aura that counts out of damage events. I just don't know the best way to actually calm it
I think I count down like it just resets our ton of damage happens because I feel like Serent is far like you don't know the exact
Second it's gonna go off. Wouldn't it be good to have text like on Paladins when the big boobs are happening?
Just like I count them
What was that like? I think I could call it like this if I'm doing on the replay
damage in three two one three two one
Wait there's a delay there's a delay three two one three two one and then I'll delay again
But then I don't I don't know if I hit the three two ones three times in a row for this here comes the triple
I don't think it's just like not enough time to do it triple bang
How about this there's two there's a double hit coming in three two one now and then you just know there's a second one
double hit coming in three two one now and you know there's two hits coming and
then I say a triple hit is coming in you know three to one now and that does
that work yeah that's okay I'll do that also did everyone soak that second
So
This wait hold on this is wrong right
Like this thing ends and I mean city got an error, but also like look at anarchy's
Anarchy's is saying soak triangle in three two
one that doesn't line up with anything this is way later than that you know I
mean or is it just like when to be there it's not like when it goes off I don't
I mean that one looked right right yeah maybe it's the thing with dorm on what's
talking about we're on some sets they like are slightly different or something
and Blizzard's solution to that was just changing the vole and not actually changing
the other thing I don't know you'd have to ask them
we're on break
It seems like it's on the first set.
The timing is wrong.
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight people in the first one because Scott joined.
That's fine.
Then this one is...
That one did kind of hurt. He's a diamond.
One, two, three, four, five, six.
6 plus scott though isn't that someone missing
who is in the tanks should not be assigned
yeah so in this soak of fired up should be
hopeful he was there boomy he was there
Lip, he was there. Malarkis, he was there.
One, two, three, four. Oh no, they're all there. They're all there. I wasn't counting
fire depth because he is himself. And then we just had an extra. So we actually
had an extra soak in both of the first lunge, which I'm sure the tanks can do
like every time, but still, Splat dies from 100 to zero. What is the salt to
that he's not amazed 100 after well yeah I mean like the first he's but I mean
yeah it's just like I mean you think it's not how it will be on a real ball
because of the shrink or not there's no no time to set up properly for the
stage when it's like that okay that's right they might have even had like
We'll make up the game while holding the insta.
Are we keeping Miss Lust for the kill?
Isn't it kind of good?
It's not a good lust.
But we're just doing it.
The only lust that gets every CD is the one with that 3.
You get the heart, you get to cleave the doom skills with the heart and the lust.
You get your second pot.
I don't think the boss was like 5% higher.
All right, and we are back from that monster energy listen
They send a little bit of a break so we had to rush back from our break
We're back. I was right.
Poles have been going actually quite well this afternoon
We were kind of expecting the post lunch poles to be pretty pivotal for liquid here
If they're able to consistently get out of phase one and see into that intermission
Right before p3. That's where I feel like you make magic happen if you're liquid here
I kind of feel like if these poles have been in the other order
we would be feeling way better about it than we are because right after lunch we
hit that 50% or ends like all right we are owning right now yeah and then the
next hour has been a little bit more you know a little bit more B1 B2 a lot of
the time last couple pulls been good though and the last couple have been
quite good though we've been starting to see that information a little bit
more reliably we've been hearing Max sort of figure out how they want to
it's hack that, which is always a really good thing, right? Whenever you get to a point in progression where
it feels like
you've learned all there is to learn and you just need to put the pieces together,
that's where it can start being really frustrating when you are wiping to those mechanics still.
So question from Chow, why is Phase 1 not consistent yet?
I mean, there's just a lot of... I guess you can say orange,
you're still a lot of volatility to it. Sometimes the player gets cleaved by a
weight as an egg, you collide with another player and spawns a Viper in, right? That Viper
basically as a wipe, there's hard EPS checks too,
it's just a lot of moving pieces.
The main difficulty is the spawning of vipers,
preventing any vipers spawns.
Each player that's carrying an egg,
which there's like 14 of them.
Lovely.
Each of those players gets somewhere between,
maybe some of them get a fairly easy combo to dodge, right?
Most of them get at least a medium hard one
and every poll, some people are getting
a nuclear difficulty overlap that they're gonna need
to figure out how to maneuver.
These players are really good.
They're able to do that most of the time.
But if I give you 20, 20-sided dice,
and I tell you don't roll any ones,
like you're still gonna roll a one a lot of the time,
even if each of those dice is usually not gonna do it.
Yeah.
Really tough fight.
I mean, it's extremely punishing.
And I think that that's kind of
one of the big takeaways as well.
It's very similar to Lura,
where we have back-to-back tiers now
where there is a mechanic that involves
a slow-moving projectile in isolation,
like Dratna said, maybe 19 of your players
going to dodge it if that 120th player gets hit and it's just over and say they only get hit one
and every 40 pulls right it still halts your progression significantly. Yeah I mean if everybody
is getting hit one and 40 pulls half your pulls are gone to that. It's tough. And some people might
be getting hit more some people might be getting hit less but then there's other things that are
wiping you still as well. Players dying the nice thing about this fight it does feel like a
fight where somebody dying and getting battle rose isn't lethal to you there are some fights
where it feels like, man, we just can't even afford a single death, this isn't one of those fights.
If you're not carrying an egg.
Like, Ultra actually, Battle Res is like fine, right? Like, somebody died and used Battle Res.
Yeah, which is really nice.
You're gonna need, you want all the Battle Res for the last phase because you need all 20 players alive
to even meet the check, but the Battle Res is just a resource that can be used with anything.
This is like, you go to 60 minute debuff on you, you lose.
As long as you aren't spawning a Viper, a death is kind of fine.
The problem is about half of the ways, probably more of the ways that you die,
You are spawning a viper and then it is a full almost all the deaths are like
Oh, yeah, I got hit by a wave and you were
The desert intentionally makes you dodge a wave while you're holding an egg
Yeah, this was you know, there was a problem for me and now it is a problem for all 19 of you and
enjoy
Yeah, you win some you lose a little surprise for you there on your debuff a window for me
I'm excited to be an egg carrier in this fight. It's gonna be fun. It's gonna be fun. I'm excited
Dude, I'm not super excited to tank this one.
I can't imagine that I'm gonna be super thrilled to play this one.
You won't carry an egg, Penelst.
Wait, since it's a rack, you won't carry an egg.
Anyway, I'm trying to hype your video up, I feel bad, do I?
Don't worry, I probably won't either.
You're a warlock, you have to carry an egg.
I think warlocks are required.
I think Moonkins are probably pretty required.
I'm pretty sure I'm carrying an egg.
What I'm saying if you're on this boss and they haven't changed the number of eggs and you are a moonkin and
Your guild tells you don't pick up an egg
They think you suck and that's okay
There are moonkins that's up in fact most of them do and that's okay
You know it's you understand these things about yourself and then you get to stop don't
Very funny what you can do is you can start making videos about how bad you suck right you can come up with titles like
I'm the stupidest, you know loser moonkin to ever exist. I had the worst night of raiding ever
You know all these different videos you can put those up on YouTube and you can get
YouTube has increased the amount of views that your videos get recently. So you got hundreds of thousands of views on those things no problem
He goes he goes
With his hands he goes my phone in fact
Many of them he rolls hand towards you. He's had this prep for years many of them do
It's just a whole big use of the shower for the last six months probably for the exact moment.
Wow, hey you know, Thanos, I'm proud of you.
Thanos is a lot as a race. I'm trying to keep your, you know, your...
I want you guys to actually start doing a progression rate series too.
I think it'd be fun. It'd be interesting.
Yeah, it's a cool topic idea.
Yeah, but then you're here for three in the morning yapping, recording videos,
We could be strong. Oh, I'm sorry that I'm
On the grind trying to make content for people
Like you who's recording a five minute video about demonology getting bug fixed and being the best back at the game
Oh, it is what it is. Wait, I'm recording a ball video. Where are you stream? They're at the racer stream, huh?
I should once oh, I'm sorry. I'm on the grind here young Brian and seven days a week at the crime
There's no way the guy who literally turns off his stream every single time he serves the race
He goes, guys, I hate streaming at the race.
Blah-blah-blah-blah.
I don't hate it.
It's just stressful.
I chained up the first six or seven days I was here.
What do you mean?
The race didn't even start, though.
The race that we all had a heroic leak.
It doesn't matter.
I streamed a bunch.
Where are you at?
Where are you at?
I just want to say check it all around up here.
I'm a YouTuber anyways.
That's true.
Ted Ulster, you heard it here first.
Ted Ulster the retire from streaming.
He's not on YouTube.
No, I'm not trying to.
I said to not retire from streaming.
I just don't stream that much.
YouTuber ready prox passion on stream sometimes. I'm just I'm just like a year and a half. Yeah. Yeah, you know
Oh, a legion reed. Yeah, leave your mix. I I didn't show you my stream mop remakes flying around those bronze circles
I remember that was a good time for about an hour and a half
Gotta run that back Dominic on to that was fun. That's in the brawl
Yeah, they stop calm stop week. That was crazy
Go to sleep and then I wake back up and you're still streaming
You had to get blood of the enemy, and that was the only way you could do it without PVPing.
I grinded up blood of the enemy just through PVPing, and I hated it. But it was very good in expansion.
Yeah, it was. I remember playing it on Havoc instead of focusing Iris.
I think it was Havoc and it was also like Rogue, and that was the most common question in my chat.
Why aren't you using focusing Iris? Why are you using blood of the enemy?
And then you hit blood of the enemy into fell barrage and you go chat. Yeah, this is why I'm having more fun than anybody else on this planet
That's right. Oh, dude that version of havoc demon hunter with fellow. Oh my god. Yeah, I miss it so much. I
Played a lot of PvP on havoc that season. I
Would uh fell eruption them into mana rift on cooldown their healers. Do you remember a melodic as well?
Yes, I do unfortunately remember Maladik to all things.
Not something I thought of in a very long time, but yes I do remember Maladik didn't
just die all the time.
That was a good time, that was a good time.
Yeah, it was funny.
I avoided PvPing to get the essence, then I ended up still doing some PvP that season.
It's kind of fun.
Yeah, corruption made the game better.
Bring it back.
I liked it.
Yeah, anyways, Kalmaus, you should have made a YouTube video series about your progression
this tier since her trial on a guild. I think that would have been interesting.
Yeah, you know, it would have been actually, but I hadn't procged passion at that point.
Have you procged it yet?
I think we're in a state of proc-ing.
Ooh!
Gamer down. Looks like Wall-F may be not quite able to get inside that bubble just in time there.
It's okay though. That was a non-viper death, which means it's a very fair use of our battle res.
It's fine.
Into this burden we go.
I will say I think that there's a decent amount of P2 deaths that normally can be battle res.
Yeah, so now we have a little bit less of that room for error, but we do get a battle rose recovering towards the end of P2
So depending on when somebody dies it might be recoverable. We are gonna get through that burn boss at 68%
Yeah, not bad that we're entering over here
There's a gateway 50% pull earlier. Was that with lust in the first burn? Yeah, I was okay
So since then they've moved less out of that first burn right?
Sort of a floating progression less that gets used on the doom scales if it's not needed by that
In fact, I haven't seen them use it anywhere other than the due scale, so I might be just making up that it's a floating lust.
It's gonna have to be used on phase one to be able to hit the boss with it.
Unless there is a better boss damage lust in Mythic than there is in Heroic somewhere else, which would be weird.
In theory it could be a two lust fight somehow.
Yes, so that's the thing.
Phase one has a slightly longer cast sequence than Heroic.
If that is true of phase three as well, then it might be possible to lust pull and the last burn, in which case that might be your best way.
But we have unfortunately had a blight scale viper join the fight and that does mean that liquid will be
leaving the fight
GG
That's the thing about trying to save a progression list is less ain't going to save you if you spawn a viper
Yeah, this might be mechanically interesting. I don't know
Yeah, I think it's one of those things that they would look to change for guilds once the world versus done
But how do you even change that mechanic based on a whole fight structure?
Look, all I'm gonna say is I asked Blizzard this exact question in an interview a couple weeks ago
and they said that they struggle with the exact same thing because they want to maintain the essence of what makes the fight the fight
yet at the exact same time you
run into past film mechanics like this and you're just like how are you supposed to even nerf this effectively?
So what are the vipers doing heroic as far as debuffs concern? It's like a tentacan die, I think, right?
It's a 20-second egg break die, yeah
I mean making you can do that I guess.
It's still the stupid petrified cast.
It does, yeah.
I mean.
But what you could do is you could try and nerf it.
You would need several nerfs to make the Vipers survivable.
You probably hit the one hour dot down to like 30 seconds or something on Mythic.
Maybe a minute.
And then you also would want to do something like reduce their health, reduce the oh my
goodness.
Is that a Vantus rune out of?
Those trill.
Out of trill there?
Hmm.
get to Vantus earlier this week or something.
He had two different monks.
He swapped monks.
Yeah, maybe he hadn't yet done it on this monk,
because this one maybe is different than his last week
monk.
We have a couple of people re-logging as well.
But yeah, I think if you wanted to make
the Viper survivable, which I don't think
they would ever do for the race,
I think this would be a race toward last type nerf,
like somewhere in October, a December nerf to this boss.
I think you would nerf the duration and maybe intensity
as well of the dot.
And you would also make it so that they cast slower,
They have less health and it's like more just reasonable to kill one when they spawn.
But yeah, I think this version of the fight is going to be killed with zero Viper spawned.
I think that's going to be the only realistic way to do it.
I'm down for a late base with Viper spawned.
Yeah, and still limping through to the kill.
A little bit of funnel on the boss, right?
Yeah, a little bit of funnel.
The thing is, when you see a mid-n-boss, it's crazy because when you start progression,
progression there are all these mechanics where you're like they could never survive messing this up and then after 300 bulls
They start being able to survive things like they start being able to game it out when when something goes wrong that like you have no business
Surviving yeah, we're not gaining a phase one viper though. Yeah phase one viper. I don't think so
It's possible. I think you could yeah
I think you maybe get over the finish line depending on what the end of that phase looks like although
We have no idea what the end of that phase looks like and even just extrapolating in my head
The mythic changes to the mechanics with the heroic cadence. I
Don't know if you could survive. I don't know if you could survive going into that last rage
After doing the final soaks with the fight with anything other than all of your defensives and no viper dog
Because you're gonna have that massive item spread coming at that point
Yeah, and the rage does so much more damage than heroic right on heroic
It's like yeah, it's a little bit of taking rate damage
But on mythic every single one of those ticks is
Shunking everybody do you think this is so hard to fight than Laura. I think it's
It's weird, like I feel like it's less of the fun difficulty and more of the you're
dead like because somebody else screwed something up difficulty and I admit Lura had a lot of
that too right like you would die because somebody messed up a seed but it did feel
like there was a lot more like group involved this one feels kind of like 20 people all
individually figuring it out at once and yeah that version of the fight is hard for
reach these 20 players, and you were doing a hard damage check on all these ads at the
same time, but it does feel a lot less coordination intensive than Lura.
When you look at like Lura P3, the 8 debuff, you know, Grimdurge, that is a generationally
hard mechanic, right?
It's up there with the end of Fire Act, with the Fire Act seeds, with the end of
Dimensius, and I don't think that anything comparable has been shown yet on the Ruletech.
That being said, even just in my head thinking about the end of the heroic fight with the
mythic changes, I think that would maybe qualify.
So we'll have to see.
That's the thing, right?
Like, we've been talking a lot about Uletek.
We've been talking for 240 poles about Uletek.
There is still an entire phase that we have just scratched the surface of.
And that is the phase that, I mean, when you think back to heroic, that's the phase
where you're like, oh, this feels like a mythic phase.
Well, what's it going to feel like on mythic?
Yeah.
I mean, we've seen one wretch.
What if there's, it's like a wretch that spawns in?
I bet there is.
I bet every...
I'm not like I'm not meaning I think that is how you would do that that fight
It's weird if there's one that it would be when you go from three four to three and not from three to two then
Yeah, it's insane
You know we actually asked Max that question if he thinks this fight is harder than Laura come on
It's you go on the black next spotlight. You know what's answer ones. Yes
No
That's all we got
So he doesn't think that it thinks this fight season Laura. I I agree with draft house
I think it's very similar in a lot of ways, but also pretty different like there were things you had to learn a lure
I guess the overlap wise on like an individual basis
There's a lot more in this fight like the random RNG of waves like you said earlier one player gets over
It's over. Yeah, it's over exactly one player or one or two players got hell on earth there
All right. Well, I hadn't seen it in 30 40 poles now
I know but run back again run back again. So I mean something very tedious like not really much that you can
And the problem is you had to have made a different decision like 20 seconds prior to that and position yourself differently
so that way you couldn't have been in that position with the wave.
And being super preemptive with your movement is just not something that World of Warcraft players in general are good at.
Now the Racial First Players are the best in the world at being preemptive at anything, especially movement related stuff.
But even then it's still hard to be like, oh yeah, 30 seconds before this I need to make sure that I'm actually moving this direction
so that way I can't get in a traffic jam if we get this wave set up.
I'm not going to optimize damage there too much, so unnecessary movement if you don't
need to is like, well, I'm losing damage here, you're falling behind the eggs or other things,
but at the same time you have to be in a spot where you can live the mechanic if you lower
all the bad waveset.
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The choices are between the Ashes of Alar, Invincible, the Mighty Caravan Brutosaur,
and the Spectral Tiger.
I'm taking travel form. Okay, can I break this down for you guys? All right. Yep. Okay, mighty caravan Brutosaur cannot fly
Yeah, thanks for tiger can't fly
Invincible you can't see and ashes of Alar
Can fly okay, it's ashes by default. Okay, but what but think about the mighty caravan Brutosaur?
Yeah, but I can fly to the option house faster than I can run on my tiger
So I mean they say think about it
But you could but you could send a letter of the mail to dratness to come pick you up with true. He wouldn't belly
Pull up. I'd pull up for sure
You hop on okay, I
Think it has to be a flying man as well. Yeah, I don't much as I love the auction house utility
I love the utility of flying more travel form telling you
I mean, I think it's ashes of the law or even it with invincible being a flying mouth
Ashes is so common. It's uncommon now both are yeah, both ashes and invincible are so iconic that they
They're also the most farm mounts in the game, right?
Yeah, we all see them much more.
Like, I remember when I got Ashes initially, it was so high.
They're so uncommon that they are common that they are uncommon.
So I'm saying, yeah, exactly.
Like the Felderikey, exactly.
It's got a full circle.
Yeah, it's great.
I think I'm partial towards Invincible of the two,
but Ashes is a great choice too.
Tell us what would you pick here.
Out of all of these.
Probably the Spectral Tiger, I think that that mount
is really, really cool.
For me personally as well, the thing about Invincible
Versus ashes and I got invincible from farming the lich king for it. I got ashes at random from like a time walking cat
So it it means less to me than there's less sweat and tears that went into farming it
I think the spectral tiger is just in my opinion just a cooler mouth. Yeah
Independent of any of that
Remember in drag that's kind of invincible during a charity streams. Yeah, I did there you guys there you go
I'm gonna have I have a tiger a spectral one. It's pretty cool. Really? That's the one I don't have so I've got a little envy
Oh my gosh, I definitely have in the uh
The whole result is ashes by a small margin of invincible and then the Brutus or and you have a tiger just the least functional
Damn, I'm not surprised that it came in last. Yeah
I mean I guess it with the restriction of you could only use one mount for the rest of time
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But Kalamazee, he does endorse the ashes of the law.
I do.
I endorse the.
I endorse the Swift Spectrum Tiger as well.
Only the Swift one.
Only the Swift one.
Only Swift.
Come on, he's playing both sides, so he always comes out on top.
No, Fence City.
Yeah, Fence City.
Yeah, Fence City.
Fence City is the best.
Honestly, I have one of the Tigers.
I don't know which one.
Yeah.
It's either Swift or not, which one I have is the one I like.
If you could only ride one mount for the rest of your life, it would be the Fence
for sure.
Yeah.
You know, I was like, well, I never mind.
I was waiting for that.
Oh no no no! Please!
I was waiting for that thought!
I was going to make a Taco Bell joke with some Taco Bell food delivery car
But then I realized that we don't really have one
It's just like...
Yeah, nevermind
Nevermind
Nevermind is nothing I was talking about
Nevermind
I'll tell you later, I'll tell you later
Alright
We're just going to Taco Bell the vibe all the time
Hey, hey, I respect it
You don't care
Yikes, okay, nearly hits
A beautiful dodge by everybody
No egg
This is dude
It's so hard to see the waves
If you've got the wrong camera angle here
camera angle here you're just getting those lasers blasting into your uh into your monitor
that's what i'm saying i think like a 25 speed nerf on the waves that actually go a long way
oh gamers down okay so we can rest one of these and we could prog lest p2 now
it's going to make the doom scales even harder till she died
ah that is a double problem i don't think i thought i'm a rez did you take it no we we had
three deaths total now only two battle rezzes okay and yeah we're gonna see goon for a
little swim and during that others that aquatic form oh wow and then back into
human form for the unfortunate death alas a good looking pole up until the rage
of the shackled cast and then somehow three deaths during the rage and it seemed
like it was all to waves as well not just to the ticking damage which is it's
tremendous ticking damage but I think it was waves that caught people so
unlucky I mean it's a it's a hard dodge there on mythic on the lower
difficulties you don't have a lot of dodging to do during that cast on mythic you sure still do
and you have all those brown circles to dodge as well so it's not just the waves right it's the
the debris falling from the ceiling or cool tech is just blasting it with the lasers yeah well I
think that like the waves also offer up a point of difficulty because if you have to dodge both
simultaneously then you can actually just be boxed in a position where it's like nearly
impossible to live maybe the best solution would be to then jump into the venom but
But you're just trained as a wild player to not think like that,
but like, oh yeah, actually I'm gonna take a bath for a couple seconds,
because that's less damage than getting hit by the wave or the circle.
I mean, the venom hurts, but it doesn't one-shot though, right?
It takes for like, about a 30-year-old bar, I think, roughly?
Not a lot.
It's when you're in combat, it's a good bit.
I mean, we saw Goop was taking a lot from it, but during that burn,
there's pulsing damage going on too, so it could kill you, but...
Right.
It's obviously better than getting hit by the wave or something.
I want to amend my predictions for full count in this boss prediction for
this boss yeah I'm gonna say are you over under 450 oh 450 is that higher than
the other boss Lure's 550 with Lure 550 actually is that good Lord okay um
Really? 550 for Lyra?
Now that's just looking.
I'm looking enough.
That sounds...
That sounds...
Fake news.
Let's see.
Didn't I...
Falls...
Full...
Count.
I think I said like 325, like 450.
Wait, was Lyra 450?
I think it was 450 or so.
I think it was 5.
No, maybe it wasn't.
We made predictions.
Because it passed fire after, right?
It was like the third most pulled-in bus of all time.
Man, that falls 455.
Oh, 450, okay.
Yeah.
I thought fire was a 412 or something.
Yeah, okay because I think it's like only behind till Jane and Oonot in terms of pole count.
Oonot was by something right? No, Oonot was like 7 something. Oonot was a lie, yeah.
Okay, like wasn't like 200 poles like pre... Yeah, so 200 poles were like unkillable.
Okay, so it was 450. Wow, that, I mean, you gotta count all the poles.
No, no, no, Lura was 450. Yeah, Lura was 435, yeah.
Okay, I think, where would 450 poles put us?
kill wise I mean and the day of the week and the night time it's like 285 to 90
something like that so tomorrow three Saturday I mean they are pulling at a
fairly low tempo the amount of poles per hour is quite low because several of
these poles do run long even if they end up being wipes in you know P2 that
can still take us to six minutes and then they're taking fairly long between
poles compared to the average tier if tomorrow's end pole counts at 375 that
That would mean that Friday is like the end of the day, 450 roughly.
Yeah, so like Friday night would be 450.
I was thinking like Saturday.
You were thinking Saturday, so 500.
I mean, honestly, I could see it was 450 long.
I was thinking Saturday is like 450.
Oh, OK.
Because I think they're extremely low tempo.
Yeah.
Oh, we see some half-hour breaks from time to time.
We have.
They're chain pull, right?
Because I think I suspect at some point they'll start chain pulling,
but they still have to brog all of B3.
What are they at tonight?
I think that's tonight, like 280.
280, yeah.
290 maybe 280 they started today at 220
Last night maybe you're just to a five
So if they put up 75, okay, I'm gonna say
This dies Friday evening or Saturday afternoon
Yeah, sure around like 450. Yeah, I mean at this pace
It never dies right like it's uh, well
That's the we need to start seeing some progression being made and it's tough cuz like
Right now it doesn't look like that's happening
Sometimes it is still happening, but it just doesn't look like it but here here's another Viper pole
Yep, we're not gonna learn anything from this one lust is being pressed to try and recover it for by the Viper goes out on
Looks like wall life up there. Can you leap it last second? Maybe nope
He's gonna get stunned he'll absorb dead now. Everybody's still trying to get in this slam another Viper spawned
All right, and dude get me out of here get me out of this bowl immediately with swiftness. I'd like to depart this ball
So if you're blizzard at one point do you step in and take additional?
Provide additional nerf to this fight
Possible is always the answer as soon as you know it needs to get nerfed
Yeah, you'd never that day at most you can delay it
I like I think it would be reasonable for instance to have delayed this P2 nerf to sometime this afternoon for us
Yeah, so it wasn't as beneficial for us relative to echo but any more delay than like a couple hours
Once you know you're gonna nerf it. I think you just got to do the nerf even
I think that like the earliest the nerf can come in your the problem with nerf timings whenever your blizzard is you're talking about them
Be being king maker right right nerf timings are the most significant thing
So I think the fairest time that's like least
You know detrimental to one side over the other is sometime an hour after noon
Yeah, because it's like midway through their sleep midway through our day
You know we get a couple hours of benefit of pulling it with while they can't and then they get the first full day on it
And it's like I think that's the I think that would be the fairest time to do a nerve
Right, but there's also the computing incentive of when as soon as blows are realized it should get nerfs
Then they want to nerf it as soon as they realize that right like they don't want to just sit on a nerf for a while
Yeah
But would you end up targeting if you weren't nervous fight more it's something in phase one
I think raise is wave speed at HP wave speed. So the problem with a wave speed nerf is that
If a wave is slower
Yes, it might now be there when it used to not be there
That's what I'm thinking in a part of your dodge the amount of eggs that you're carrying
Maybe you could fundamentally change the viper debuff
Yeah, you could change it from a one hour until into 30 seconds. Yeah, that could be what do you mean egg carries
You just change the raw eggs a few of them. Yes
I think reducing the damage from carrying an egg could be an angle for this as well
It's a really essential what what do you think of white people on this fight like making a viper usually yeah getting hit by a wave
You could make the waves
Smaller the yeah, I feel like that is a I feel like that's a November nerf
The thing that we're to towing around is that there needs to be a consistency change on this fight in some capacity
Yeah, I mean I think the thing is like
Blizzard would love the answer to be
They figure it out and get good and get consistent right and we would love that to be the answer as well
Mm-hmm, and nobody is confident yet whether or not that could be the answer
But Blizzard really would rather not nerf it if that is possible
What if what if you knew that the number of holes was gonna be 800?
Yeah, I think it was a nerf it again
I think if it was a you know if there wasn't blizzcon in a week
I would maybe not nerf it still buys blizzard in that spot
What if you made it, excuse me, crazy, hypothetically, what if they made it so getting hit by a wave
with an egg that's not spawned on Viper, but you drop the egg if you die, but touching players
do.
Okay.
Touching players is the only thing that spawns on Viper?
Yeah.
I suppose it's getting hit by stuff?
Yeah, I mean, that's like a weird family of nerfs because that makes it more generous
than the heroic version of the mechanic.
That sense.
There's precedent to doing it, but.
Significantly fewer eggs.
Yeah.
I mean, there's so many eggs on this fight.
I'm like talking about like oh yeah what if you just you know those what are 14 eggs that are being carried what okay
I'm gonna hear me out you get hit by something while you're carrying an egg and
It's like hot potatoes up in the air
And you're like whoa and it goes up in the air and then you see a swirly where you have to go and catch it
Oh, yes, the tears of Ulotec exactly
Yeah, the tears
Yes, of course
He's cooking, he's cooking, he's cooking, write that down, pin that, pin that.
But yeah, we're on the caster couch over here, very concerned that this fight's going to need another nerf.
I think it's important to give Echo a shot at it too, because like...
Oh, for sure.
I think, you know, if one guild can do it and the other can't, then...
Well, that's just, they should just win, right?
That's a, yeah, that guild should win the race.
I remember being worried about the nerfs to Laura last year.
Tear diaper because whatever they hit the the glazed speed nerf that was right as Echo started having really good
Yeah, exactly. It's like hey, you know, but on the other hand, you know looking back at it
That was a good nerf and I feel like we'll feel that way about the P2 nerf
Eventually for this boss to that was a good nerf and it was pretty fair. Yeah, I think the timing of it
You know kind of unfortunate but
Yeah, not not likely to be decisive. Remember we're at the start of a long progression right on this boss
So it feels ridiculous to say given that we have more than 200 bulls in it
But I mean, we're still so far from the end of this one.
Yeah, we are we are speculating hundreds of pulls away from killing the boss still.
You know, I grab one of these monster rehabs off the display shelf.
OK, it was handed to me. OK, I'm pretty sure it's from 2021.
Oh, you've got a vintage monster. Yeah, I can't tell if I I'm sure it's fine.
I'm a little worried if I could finish this dude. You should none of them. It's uh, it's not power properties
Yeah, it improves. It's like a you know, you know how wine gets more expensive as it ages as well
It's the same with monster. You've got you got a vintage 21 rehab there. Yeah
I mean those things
Nice
Nice slurp
Pace the elderberry I bet that's come I get this I bet that has more caffeine as well because there was less restrictions in 2021 on that kind of stuff
That's true. It probably has probably gotten you know even more
Yeah
It's very good. I've been craving some rehabs actually I
Haven't been able to follow my monster pattern like I have every the race throwing off the coffee into a full power
into a rehab. I'm just in full power from the Gecko. It's tough.
Quote from chat, Kalamazzy drinks like a Minecraft character.
He did sound like a Minecraft trainer.
He's drinking a potion.
He did.
He did.
He hit the potion.
They also say that I make noises like a Minecraft character.
I really can't hear it.
There's some anime talents.
Of course.
of course.
Dig the trick like a Minecraft.
Hide it again if you want.
Okay, there's some chaos in here.
Yeah, Kalanasi do wielding monsters right now.
Going for the...
You are the worst.
Kalanasi also the voice actor for the BroBlox oof.
Oh!
There's a lot of weird time defects you guys hear when I'm in the back, right?
I could have my ear as well, right now, actually.
Oh, no, they're asleep right now, but they'll be getting up soon.
Oh, that's true, true.
So, I'm going to...
I'm going to...
Atlas and Jet haven't been here.
Just been here in the past, but Atlas is the first time in the cashier room this
time around.
He...multiple times he commented like, wow, you make a lot of interesting noises
when you move around.
That's what you get to look forward to in a couple of years, brother.
Mm-hmm.
It just comes with age.
I think that's a Kalamazoo exclusive feature.
No, I don't think so.
Mm-mm.
I don't think so.
You shouldn't make it...
Those noises, as long as I've known you.
I've known you since 2019.
Yeah, I was starting to then.
So, I mean, it makes sense.
Ooh, Kalamazoo, we got a hater for you in chat.
People who think making mouth sounds into the mic is funny are not funny, I'm afraid.
Ah, yes.
Ah.
Mm.
Wow.
No.
Mott's banned him right now.
Broadcasted him once?
Broadcasted him once?
Broadcasted him once?
What kind of broadcast do you think that guy wants?
Tell them, Ozzy, let's get it.
Let's get the chat some strict play-by-play real quick.
Don't actually ban him.
Oh my gosh.
Don't ban him.
Card is apprehended that shatter.
Tell them, Ozzy.
Give us some play-by-play.
Like, your life depends on it.
Some Mott's?
No, no, no.
It's a play-by-play.
Like, it's the MDI finals.
Brother, this is phase one of...
No, no, no.
What do you say?
Tell them, Ozzy.
It's one thing I wanted, but now he's banned
He if they unban him then maybe but like now I'm like well
Not feel bad
Not feel like a bad person and the best part is you didn't do anything. I'm not
Who what do I care? Oh actually bad forget it better than him. Okay, bad. I'm all right, whatever
Oh, that's fine. He's got a sub here. He can go ask for a sub and Echo Shack and get banned there as well.
Wow, you can get the Tri-Fecta almost with him! That's a good method then! Wow, look at that!
Yeah, collecting like Pokemon gym badges.
Alright.
Wave Dodge. This is going to be the final wave dodge of the phase if they play their cards right with the eggs.
We're going to be moving in for a soak at the end of this. Goop has a pretty hard job to get in there in time.
close man time effects in here tell those that was nervous
manage my street tunnels right inside the bubble beautiful 20 players alive
Scott in a lot of danger. Oh my goodness. He's in so much danger.
Okay, that's okay. I mean that's what it's for. Yeah.
I'll tell you live here going into the first bed of his heartburn. So we've
seen their best being 67% without lust coming out of a 61 being the best
with lusper holding lusper we assume the second heartburn coming up with those
four right scale diapers mostly for taking care of those zoom scales right
yeah not necessarily for the boss damage there so 67% once more as they get
ready to go over to the sides and we're molting that warden right away just
instantly teleporting into the spot that's gonna activate two of these eggs
those will get taken care of with cleave the main dirt so if the eggs are I
I think a very hard mechanic to understand in this phase,
because it's like, when do they take damage?
When do I pick them up?
When do I not have to pick them up?
The ones that the warden activates,
you have to break before their cast finishes,
and then they just instantly break into Rawlings,
otherwise they hatch into Vipers.
The other ones, you just need to pop
before you're gonna pick up that egg in the back,
and then you can carry them to the cauldron
and throw them in to make Rawlings instead of Vipers.
It's a very strange, not especially clear mechanic
the first few times you watch or do this fight.
Yeah, very much so. AMC being committed here.
If that last five stack tick there,
are those headers being broken?
Nice.
Yeah, so we should have all the eggs taken care of here.
We're going to run all the small ones over the call
at your here.
My call is if you will.
So this is the easier side.
The other side is doing this run with spits landing on them.
This side, we are in jeed into the cast
sequence where you don't have to deal with them
during that run.
Like the ULTEC image or whatever.
Yeah, it's like ULTEC or Razageth
where it's like the boss is alternating which side.
Anzurek as well, right? Which side is getting that first yank? Although that one was manipulable,
uh, whereas this one is not.
Do you think that this, uh, boss was made by all- like, all three of those bosses were made by the same person?
Very reminiscent of one another.
I think it's- I don't know.
It's a shared palette of, you know, design choices, but I think it makes sense, you know, to have ULTEC
doing the tormenting both sides thing.
The fact that it's random instead of somewhat controllable, I- I-
Oh.
Anzurek being controllable was really nice.
It was unfortunately lose a handful players here more kiss wall over down. Yeah, we can only stagger on much longer here at half the
raid being dead
Getting back to the mission makes nice to see after a handful of phase one wipes
But we want to see past here getting in the second burn, but unfortunately will not be the case this time around
Well, I think it was the other side. Yeah
That had the trouble. I mean there are they get that from this side. It's hard to tell on the mission
Yeah, it is hard.
They have time to just cleave to their sides.
They get one of the adds.
They didn't get a full half doom scale.
Yeah.
Because that would just stun everybody for 20 seconds.
Okay, yeah.
I thought it was the doom scale.
At the very end there we did have casts going off from the weakened doom scales.
But yeah, pretty much everybody died that was from that far side that we weren't watching.
It's a good pull.
Yeah, not a bad pull.
It's a manipulable word.
No.
What did you make it up?
All words are made up.
How he's so fast, I don't get it, it's because he's strong too as he said it.
You've got to have some belief in yourself, you know, do you think you are less valid
and worthy of contributing to the English language than all of the people who came before
us?
Me?
Yes, much less worthy than most.
The language is alive, it's beautiful.
Okay.
That's why whenever I misspeak you always repeat it back to me.
Well, I'm just, I'm confirming that you want to add that word to the lexicon.
He's getting older so twice to make sure you hear him. Yeah, you're hearing. He's going. Oh, okay, of course
Look your vision
Which I've seen and I
Don't think we're just work. I'm sorry. It's fine. I got a pocket tonight. Actually. I'm a little worried
He's a telltale sits behind me buddy, and I'm
Wanted straight down mid
Okay, so your question how many pulls you guys have in there now on says right? Yeah, I don't know 65
Is that average like the average is like between 22 and 35 okay for mythic guilds
So I haven't looked at it a whole lot. So no my guild has done quite poorly on that
But whatever is we ran it down mid on Bella and last year to you know you get you always get a boss that owns you
Yeah, look you always get a boss. That's just like randomly dreaded us had the
Yeah, we uh we have the same pull count for Vashnik scissor hack and twin fangs plus or minus like two
Which is crazy, which is really good for twin fangs
Yeah, great for Twin Vegs. Feeling very good about our prog on Twin Vegs. Not so good about Bashnik.
And Cizerak feeling good, you know? Okay.
25 is good there. Yeah, I don't know.
Look. No, I'm serious. I really could play better on that fight.
That's what it is. I don't know. Yeah.
There's always a boss to tier where you're just like, for some reason...
Look, if you play kind of bad on Cizerak and then you pick Coiled Altar or Ullatek to be good at,
you are very profitable in that stage.
It's supposed to be your high-rolling right now.
Exactly, yeah. It's good to get your bad boss out of the way when it doesn't matter.
I think everybody kind of has an experience as well where either once a tier or once every couple of tiers
You there's just a boss that you were extremely bad at yeah
I remember a mech a tour for the longest time that part of I go to actually yeah that fight for me like I like
The four shapes dude. No, it's it was the stupid buster shot into the hide mechanic
Oh, yeah, always just get ruined by that and just always mess it up reading or what you're reading mechanics
No, it's because I'm dumb and I look bad like
Have you been all this time?
Sometimes it's just mechanics that just completely ruin you and you're like
That's understandable. I know you're saying yeah, yeah
I think the waves on says Iraq are kind of like that for me where it's just all the tornadoes
It's just so hard to stay engaged the entire time on exactly the tornadoes because the only thing you'd be looking at the tornadoes
Yeah, but it's just like it's such a
a weird mechanic.
Do you have particle density turned off?
Look, it's again, it's not an issue of like seeing them.
It's more of an issue of like processing
that I need to be paying attention to the time.
Okay.
And I think it's probably also,
I don't make any excuse,
but I think that the fact that I'm not sleeping as much
and I'm not super well rested
is certainly not helping me.
Okay.
Yeah, I think on CISRAC,
a lot of the difficulty as well comes from the fact
that almost all of the communications
are going to be about other things, right?
You're hearing people talking about like
when you're going to stack next and where you're going to drop these these orbs off right and the actual main thing that you as a raider mostly need to be focused on is dodging tornadoes
yes but that is not what you're hearing people talk about you might you know depending on the guild you're in you might hear somebody say dodged tornadoes dodged tornadoes but you might not and you have to you just be responsible for your own life on that
yeah it's it's more just like my movement is not that great that's right do you preempt to be look for spots that are dropping in or you just hope you don't get it if you get it you just panic around the room
What?
To drop the...
The tornado drops.
The... not the tornado, the orb drops.
The orb drops.
Oh, the orb drops.
Do you look at the spots ahead?
Yeah, yeah.
Where do you just...
We're... we're...
Somebody is telling us where we're dropping them.
Yeah, but do you...
Do you know where it...
Do you know where Skull is or whatever?
Yeah, there's a mini-map.
Okay, yeah, you got the mini-map.
Go on.
Fine.
Yeah, there's a mini-map.
But unfortunately, we've got a couple of vipers here.
This is going to, again, be a slow and painful wipe.
We were able to res the first death, the next two.
Not so much.
That mechanic...
He's into that rage.
That mechanic is not that bad. I will say also having goop very upset. Yeah, the camera's been the rage
Been there the wins the personal wins that knock you back
Yeah, having to bear for a while charge the boss to cancel that is extremely infuriating because sometimes there's just like a tornado in your path
And you just like bear charge. Yeah, you you can get knocked over them to take damage the tornado
It's crazy. Well, I'm talking about getting knocked over them
Like I'm talking about whenever you bear charge you have to charge the boss
Yeah, they get dashed you back into the boss, which yeah, then if you collide with tornado you die
Just really cool. Also, Moonken has pretty low stamina, so if you get hit by a tornado
ever, you just get 100-0.
Yeah.
Where as other classes, if I was DK-
It hurts pretty bad.
Well, if you were in DK, you'd be on the bench, so you gotta count your blessings.
Yeah.
That's so weird that DK's not playing that fight. I get that they're not great as
far as like what they do in that fight, but-
Oh, we have two.
Well, you have two Boonkins as well.
That's true.
So.
Look, we've played what we want.
Yep.
Hey, I'm happy for you guys. I am. I'm not being rude. I was just actually
Actually asking the politics because yeah, it's a hard fight. Should I be here plan for two nights or half a night?
Okay, I
Think that that fight
Is is actually quite hard
Okay, but it can it can be quite low pull count if it's not the one arm very little here for other guilds
And you say no, no, it's no one arm and well
I'm saying context where liquid the high yields killed it quickly
Well, I go to have more trouble than usual and they expected from that fight
It's more like the forgotten experiments or something of the T-Rite where it's like, you know
the pull count can go up into the
You know medium to high double digits potentially, but nothing crazy
Not gonna be a hundred bullboss for it's simple, but it's like that probably the other me mechanic is like tornado
Yeah, me mechanic is dodge
You see we've got our timer on the screen for those new to
the liquid Ulitec progression.
When did we hit a 20 minute break?
We hit it, yes, it was two nights ago.
You have time, oh my God.
So this is the amount of time between pulls
without a break timer?
So I was on that block.
Yep.
And on that two hour casting block,
they pulled the boss a total of nine times.
Yeah, that is awesome.
So they had a 20 minute break, did two pulls,
had a 19 minute break.
It was like, oh, there was a one hour stretch
where they pulled the boss genuinely three times.
It was remarkable.
That's the way to describe it.
Were they depot at least?
Yeah, I mean, they were making it in the D intermission.
That's actually what was going on as they were setting up the add-on
to tell them how to do the intermission.
And so they were talking through the positioning and the requirements of
like where everybody's going to run to get their soaks and their slams and stuff like that.
And when and where they were picking up and dropping off the egg
and spawning the Rawlings and stuff like that.
It was a point in time which it made sense to do 20-minute breaks.
But also it was like as a caster you're sitting there they pull three times in an hour you're like
Guys yeah, see here. We go only two and two minutes and six seconds
For able to get in combat again. Yeah, I mean if you have a face one wife to a viper
What is there to talk about sometimes something usually nothing? Yeah, don't get hit. Yeah
Slash pull 60 I think that's part of the reason this fight so frustrating is like there is just nothing more to talk about
on so many of these Viper wipes.
It's interesting because Echo was like doing a vintage Echo moment as well and turning
back the clock on Coiled Altar and just taking extremely long breaks and having a glass of
wine in between poles.
Ah, fine break, lads.
Perhaps a five minute break.
They were doing that on Coiled Altar, but on Bull Attack, they were just like, alright,
there's nothing to talk about, pull again.
What?
What's the pull count?
205?
No, so 220, right?
Wasn't it?
Oh, 265.
Oh, okay, there you go.
Okay, yeah, so there's the pull count.
Yeah, but they also had the day without the nerfs coming in, which I mean they were looking at changing damage profiles
moving less around a bit too for optimization, but yeah
Definitely a bit of different boss were pulling down compared to what they were pulling
Yeah, just it's very often the case that liquid and echo given if you give both guilt ten hours on a boss
Liquid are gonna have 30% more polls than echo right, but this boss. Yeah, it looks like both guilt on a similar
Couple of tears they've actually really been trying like it specifically has been tried to accelerate how many like what's their pull per hour
Yeah, but I think that this tier specifically it's been like oh wait hold on they're really slowing things down
I think with actually slow things I give it this tier as well. It's like between comment discussions
I look at this reason. I'm here and they're there right there's also a world
Like it's very important to know when to take time to discuss things and when to just pull right
And I feel like they've actually done pretty well at this race
You want to have a plan for phase three if you get back there
You've seen the ranch have a general idea for if I know like you might like give them a couple hours
You need a plan, either way you do.
It doesn't need to be solved yet because you're not seen enough into it where you're like,
okay, these are what's going to happen, but having a good idea of what are the possibilities,
and after the first time that they see a DP3 attempt, that's when they take a strategy break.
They'll sit there, they'll talk about it, so that everybody knows what the plan is when moving into P3.
Max included, right? As the raid leader, he has to be able to convey the idea to the raiders as it's happening in real time.
Yeah, but yeah, I mean it absolutely is something that
Like kind of like you said there is there are points in time where you have to sit there. You just have to talk straight out
Yeah, all right
We'll be going into that first ray to the shackle heartburn here as well
No less being committed here like last few pulls we're sitting less there on the fight or a progression tool
We believe less likely popped here in an actual kill no viper hopefully any couple days from now
No bifurce here as well a lot of cleave on the heart your best burn without less being 67% roughly. It seems we can beat that here
About the same 68.3. Trill here unfortunately. I have a resume. I had no resume with a trill. Ah
So maybe we have to lust p2 somewhere to try and get through this one. Yeah, I could see it
up we go thd on
The east side here and yeah, they've got the same this is the full team side
So the other side is going to be the one that might be in some danger and there is a loss for progression purposes
We're down a player. Let's just try and survive this but Chris's house works on a doom skill warden
It's I mean it's people cast right? It's probably for the enrage cast. I'm not sure. Yeah
Hey, I mean he has a tongues. He does have a cast like a kickable cast
Yeah, oh, maybe it's like that. I mean you're running. Yeah, I was as well
I'm not sure maybe just a habit as well. There's always always times the target
Yeah, he's probably just running into play since he's got a free global there and made the well.
Yeah, although I guess maybe weakness would make more sense if you weren't getting any important value out of tongues.
Of course, on this side with 10 players alive and lost, they're going to absolutely smoke that TPS check.
THD has to be a little bit careful here. He's got a demonic circle, but he's not sure it's safe.
Oh no! Viper!
The Viper's spawn and it's not just him as well.
I disagree.
That was tough. Yeah, his pinky toe at most clipped by that brown circle there.
I disagree. I don't think that if that was in real life, he would have died to that instead.
You know if it took off a toe it is what it is. Yeah, just a minor amputation at least. That's right
Yeah, I'm fortunate so spell disaster for them I mean
So do you think that moving less there is only because of trills death?
Yeah, probably I think that I think that call was made like let's last this we've got a player down because
It's a very tight check with ten players on each side with only nine
I think the lust is absolutely required to get through this phase
Alright, unhold chat, unhold.
Yep.
Oh, chat's unholding.
Look, chat, we're gonna have a lot of holding to do at some point in the next couple of
days.
Let's save it in the bank for now.
What's the eye-level diff between the top three guilds right now?
Liquid are actually in the lead and item level.
Really?
Yes.
Let me pull it up for you though.
Is Liquid in the lead or is Wallife in the lead, carrying us in the lead in
a sense?
Wallife is definitely feeling good.
So here is a look at the item level between the guilds.
If we go to the race world first, Analyzer on Raider IO.
Liquid, 326.05.
Oh, Echo have actually spiked up now, 326.19.
Okay.
Okay.
Meras at 330, also a Myth of the Mist.
Okay.
And Method, 326.10.
So we're actually in last place again on iLevel,
but it's all about, these are fractions
of an item level now.
Yeah.
It's weird down by .14.
That is, yeah, basically all the same iLevel.
I mean, hey, the BoE's are good.
You can buy them now too.
Yeah, they're on the auction now.
So actually, I would not be surprised if I level does continue to go slightly up over
the next couple of days as those BoE's become available and purchased by the guild.
But yeah, you can see Mira's leading the I level now for Echo.
Wall life for Liquid though at 332.1.
Good.
Filthy.
Goodness gracious.
Absolutely sickening levels of greed there for the BoE.
sickening levels of greed there from wall life and
Maybe a myth of the mister. Maybe he's the point one off. I don't know if he's got a way of getting there this week though
It's crazy. Oh attack method has a lot of players that were on the world first
Jailer kill on their roster. That's right. Yeah
the roster has certainly picked up a lot of
people with world-first experience now and
And uh
Yeah, there was some discussion in chat about like hey, are they are they back as a three ores race again?
it's a little bit tough to say because
this tier
this boss
The percentages are gonna lie to you right the important factors of progression here aren't the boss percent right like it's not like liquids 50% pole is
Way better than echoes 60% pole. Mm-hmm. It's about how well you're executing these faces rather than how much boss damage you're able to do
Yeah, it could have made it farther into the fight, so if we want, and there's no pull timer, yeah, okay cool
We could potentially take a look actually at the progression graphs for instance, which even these won't tell the whole story
but
You can see when the guilds pushed into each phase at least by these dashed lines here
So you can see liquid made it into P3 barely on around their hundred 40th pull
And then we have a string of these blue dots being
Phase three pushes that also did good damage, right? Right?
But then Echo, a similar string, and then this is sort of their P1, P2 system, but we are back into combat, so we can look more at this later for Asper.
Yeah, I think that's the reason why there's frustration from the Echo camp, because a lot of those wipes are too the thing that got nerfed.
And it feels bad to wipe for a whole day to something, and then see it get nerfed and know that Liquid are going to not have quite as hard a version of that device.
They're Tuesday, like the day they had the reset. Fantastic, right?
Yeah, they're Wednesday.
Yeah, they had a fantastic Tuesday.
Oh, and they're Tuesday and they're Wednesday.
Yeah, they're Wednesday.
Their Wednesday was actually pretty good in terms of the Reclear,
but then their Wednesday in terms of Ulotec Park was a bit unfortunate.
Yeah, they did make great work on that Tuesday,
and on the Tuesday they also ran some good Mythic Splits for some further item levels.
Oh yeah, because we needed more of that.
Yeah, I wonder if they've had any people like our Trill that have swapped characters
between Weeks 2 and 3 on this boss.
I don't know, Marys might be able to pick up another blood decay with the...
Myth of the Mists, yeah?
The old slingshot maneuver.
Yeah, I mean, next reset, there's boss died, right?
If we go to the next reset, then I think Wall Life and MIRROR is...
I mean, I guess you wouldn't saw up characters,
because you've just gotten handed so many jackpot items.
They have Mythic Maze Rowan, no way.
You could, with all the crests that are available to you next week,
and the 50% discount on everything,
you could upgrade every single slot to Myth Max Eye Level.
They could re-roll a character for Mythic Plus
and have it incredibly geared rather quickly.
That's true, that's true.
Meera's though on a blood decay. I think you can play some mplus on that character Meera's needs to actually start locking in for the
MDI finals. Yeah, that's true. The MDI finals is in like less than two weeks and
I don't know. That's right. I'm wondering but
Yeah, it's gonna be a challenge. Look we're in for an exciting MDI
After this after this race, you only get a little bit of a break before the next exciting
Esport event and then they'll get a break and then they will get
finally to rest before the new raid comes out in a couple of a couple weeks
the point five rate raid we have a date and that actually are estimated date I
think like end of September early October is the gosh really be gas for
the time it was supposed to be like storyline relevant in in relatively
hard yes I'm saying right people are assuming it's like the boss it's
preference on the look like I think like the it's not on a little text like
the story after yeah yeah it's or something I'll just see physics could
I think that'd be really cool if it was actually a tough boss. It was like a little like virtual race
I'd be very sick actually imagine if it was actually in this raid, but oh no lift didn't
So he didn't crack his egg
That's actually not the end of the world because what you can do is you can toss it into the cauldron at the start of p2
Okay, so as long as he doesn't get hit by a wave and
Crucially he can't swim. He must take the gateway. He must not set foot in the Venom that's a good point
I didn't actually realize that.
Yeah, if you swim you do crack your egg.
He's on the...
There is a Viper in the back line though, so I think we're toast.
Oh, hard, we're right.
Ah, okay.
Looks like they're gonna try and continue this.
He's going to the wrong side now.
Thinking about it, Gateway late, unfortunate.
And hits the Venom, spawns the Viper.
Ah, it's okay, look.
We were already dead to that earlier Viper probably anyways.
But yeah, now we are in big trouble.
Everybody starting to bleed out. Oh, man. Boom. Just such a hard ball. Yeah, this one
Whoo, this one's a tough one
There's something so demoralizing about seeing that Viper spawn and it's just you just
You're just like, you know tied to the train tracks. You hear the horn in the distance, you know, it's coming for you
Nothing you can do an allergy
Yeah, it's just tough being consistent man. There's just so many little things can go wrong
Right. It's a bit like a viper, but it's spiral some one of five different ways
Yeah, we're gonna hit by a piece of falling ceiling or hitting a player like there's multiple things that can spawn a viper
If we have the pleasure of watching Shaquib on this play fight play havoc demon hunter. Yeah
We are going to see some crazy stuff
I remember whenever we get the pleasure of always watching his POV
Especially what I remember like momentum havoc is like oh my goodness. Okay. We have to swap off his POV
This is too much.
He's too good.
He is absolutely goaded at this.
It's very fun to watch him zipping around.
He makes it look so natural, but some of the angles
that he finds these fell rushes at
are there's one degree that's safe and 359 degrees that
would kill you.
But he is also a master at getting the most uptime.
Yeah.
Even among race rule first competitors,
it's like, oh, wow, he's doing stuff very different.
Absolutely, especially on a boss like this, you know Havoc not likely to top the damage meters for most guilds on this encounter
But he is absolutely still putting up competitive numbers even against these padding mages and rogues and especially minkins
Do you not wish that like if Eldrachi Reaver was good? Yeah. Oh my gosh Havoc would be so insane to go to there
I mean there is a chance that you swapped Eldrachi for the kill, but I feel like Felskard is just too much
Whatever it's whatever fun to you. Whatever they post class tuning notes on Friday and they buff Eldrachi Reaver again
I don't I hate reaver. I don't think reaver at all. It's like the one DPS off that I played was miserable
Why not be a big steroid demon? I'm not three or glaive around. Yeah, well, that's what this whole clock is
Yeah, I'm a steroid demon exactly. It's I'm saying like that's what I want
You don't want something different in your alt experience. No, no, you want to think that they already stole my classes playing
Well, that's like, I mean my meta. It's like I'm back and what it's great
How do you feel about devourer? I played it a very little bit on PTR. I liked our beta
I didn't really form instead of change a bunch towards end of beta. I wasn't a huge fan and they're played it again
I like last season builds. I will not a fan of this
Yeah, like making it all about collapsing star and extending your void metter was so fun to me
I'm not surprised that that strategy is something that Blizzard will not allow to live for that long
So what do they do to star? It's just like the current build that's good is they just bought the void scar
Yeah, it's like the melee the hunger to slash stuff and
eradications like most of the damage yeah yeah but I loved the I think season
build yes I'm I think the last season build is actually the way that that
specialization should be designed like I understand the voids for stuff but I
was kind of like surrender that's what I was about to get at it's like blizzard
heat stuff like that because they feel like it isolates the ability to be
what are these pre-amz I don't know I think it's cool though I think that
Devour last season is extremely cool. Even though it has like super high highs and super low lows. That's the point
You don't really see those kind of like specs anymore. Yeah, no because I mean because it's very hard to balance that so because it's one of
Those specs where if you play it at like 90% potential
You're gonna do half the damage of playing it at 100% potential
Yeah, and Blizzard tends to want you to get a little bit more value out of it than that
Flashback like dot snap shotting and like yeah, I'm on that much friend of the Madness on CDS
Exactly the one that also died for the same sin guardian of whatever
Druid yeah, then human can yeah, yeah that's it. That's it
Yeah
And there are times. Yeah, even the last year last year bear. Yeah on
You know Bellarine and Lura hmm. Oh, yeah, they did delete the double-incarned thing. Yeah, and the
Yeah, the Lura builds just the single target
Yeah, Blizzard keeps building stuff like that and trying to make it a lot more, I think that
they're trying to like, prune their specs to make them easier to play, but in the process.
Or a skill ceiling, I guess?
Yeah, look, I mean the skill ceiling, wow, is just extremely high in general.
I'm tired of some class now or something, I mean like, certainly.
But yeah, I get what I was more getting at is like, you watch Racer War First Guilds
and even you compare them to the Hall of Fame Raider, the Racer War First Players
We'll just randomly do 15% more damage because they're getting four more globals a minute that you then you yeah
And in a spec like a devourer
The with the collapsing star builds that means they're met a last 20 more seconds than yours, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly
I'm extra two stars
Didn't surrender come back on like a neuter form where it wasn't yeah die
It was like you just I think what it did. Oh, yeah, that was like it
There was a different surrender, but it was I mean blizzard with void form and surrender and stuff like
has always had a love-hate relationship with Shadow Priest, mostly hate, where they they want them to play a specific way and Shadow Priests want to be
Dude is so funny every single patch. Ah, yes like it's yeah, not just like a link though
It's like the insanity. It's like oh, but we've decided you guys are getting too much insanity
We're gonna turn that way back. We feel like you guys aren't getting enough insanity
We're gonna be increasing the sources of insanity then yeah, and that's just like every single patch without fail
One of those two nodes will be there. It's like mine. So you're also gets changed. Yeah
People are casting too much mind flay. We were casting mind flay enough
Who's that affects this? I think it was like an Azeroth as a chorus of my favorite cannon
Is that there are two different shadow priests like devs, and they just have completely different versions of how the specs should be
And they just take turns getting to be in charge
Of course was the crit stacking at the right way, right?
like more shadowy apparitions you had I think was that what it was like it's
rabbit season duck season it was good I'm gonna be a shadow priest oh to get
class changes to a class that needs them oh man it's nice I think a lot of
shadow freaks been squat places with more locks in the heartbeat
probably well honestly depends for a pure dps class of all you want to play
a shadow and you don't touch hole your disc yeah for sure but for a dot
class nothing to play shadow if you like if you like how dots hit you
play shadow like yeah how color app was good on coral altar but app where it's
good now it's basically like seed spam I think the way that most people ended up
playing whatever class they they play isn't because of how it played it was
because of the fantasy of what they imagine in their in their head whenever
they looked at the login screen of that class I think also you know you played
a little bit and you see if you like it and then if you don't you play
something else sometimes okay we are gonna see this board in DPS check it's
gonna get that shadow mulch starting cast nope not even it's gonna go down
Right as that cast would start now. This is the hard side this time around hopeful side is the one that is being bombarded by this spit
So we need to very carefully move in a staggered fashion avoiding spawning any of those vipers at least nicely done by him
Oh, there's a viper
Where is it?
Probably it's probably this side cuz lip died
Not a hundred percent sure though. It could have been the other side as well. We'll see if the viper is present
I think this is why so many guys on this side look went void elf by the way
So that you could actually do that run a lot more consistent or at least like throw the void elf racial at the cauldron
And then you go to the void elf and then yeah, like snap your fingers here on top of cauldron
Man, it's tough because like they have lust available and just the pull has gone from good to a wipe
Much more quickly than a lust can save them and it sucks because it's like one person dies and then you immediately
Yeah, it's all over. Yeah, it's all nothing to be done about it. That's tough to pull again. Hopeful
Big smile though. The vibes are high.
Hopeful always one of the highest vibe guys in the room.
Massive grin.
This is the thing you got to remember like, it's day 16 of the race.
For some people the fatigue, you know the nerves, the stress of it can be real, but
there are people that remind you like, you know this is what you game for right?
This is the part of the year that the other six months of doing split farm raids is for,
is to get to enjoy this progression, even if you have these gripes with the boss.
Yeah.
Yeah, even if you throw these bugs, even if you have to do all these splits, whatever,
this is the fun part, right?
And you've got to have somebody like Hopeful that will remind you of that.
Driny said, we had him on the spot last night instead of Max,
and he was saying that even though they're doing 14 characters,
he said that a lot of people had problems with season one,
in regards to just burnout and feeling like they were pushed too far.
And so they cut back on the characters and he said that he personally feels like that was the right call from his own, like, motivational standpoint.
Because exactly like you're saying, like it feels a lot better.
The burnout is less intense and it allows them to continue to have positive vibes whenever you're on day 16 of the race.
This is kind of unprecedented territory.
I mean, a day 16 hasn't been seen for four years in the race world first.
Sepulchre was the last one, but Sepulchre, you could kind of see the writing on the wall for it happening.
This one has been a pop-up 16 days.
Yes. And you know, it's especially weird because if you look at all of the other factors around this,
you know, a month ago, and you ask, like, is this going to be a relatively easy or relatively hard raid,
you'd be like, well, we would probably make it easy because it's a 0.1 raid.
Those are usually easier than the others.
And also, it's right before BlizzCon.
They probably wanted to wrap up nice and quick, get all the MDI competitors out of the raid and into MDI practice.
But nope, it turns out we Titanforged.
Yeah, maybe. This frame was hard on PTR. It was. This is the hardest frame we've ever tested on PTR.
I thought Narobar was unbelievable on PTR.
Narobar Palace? Yeah. Hard? Yes.
Dude, Silkencord is... I swear to you.
It's been over at Boston too, right? I mean, so was Coilalter.
Coilalter PTR was so fun, oh my god.
I thought Coilalter on PTR. Okay, we did not make it past 35 seconds on Silkencord on the PTR.
We at least made it past 30 seconds on Coilalter.
as well. Ref and PTR. Yeah, that was definitely worse. Yeah, I mean, there's a PTR boss. You
guys remember PTR shrieking? Oh my gosh. I do. Team Europe has just entered the building
again. Three of them wearing zinny sunglasses. It was shine and impact. Mm. Well, MDI practice
maybe. No, I think they would just got back from the gym. Probably. I don't know. There
are the implications of blitz kind of being close and I don't know if you can really
take into account the fact that the last two point one patches have been easier
is like okay that they're gonna be easier for features to come right but i'm in
the last two it's the last four have i been last four yeah so vonis was week one
raid jayna was a week one raid not for us in either case for a year okay okay
yeah i guess so hmm for somebody yeah
well now before that it was gul'dan which uh i think
that one was a long one i wouldn't count that as an as in particularly easy
one star auger star auger into elisand into guldon that was that was a good that was a
week one raid no i don't know i don't know i don't think that was a that was
exorcist's last world first right that was a last world first yeah they i think
they broke up pretty quickly after night hold
hmm okay that fight was so cool or two mistar garrus might have been like
their last ride where the pieces of exorcists were still there but like
not not in the same way pieces of exorcist I think you're saying well yeah
cuz Serenity died after I had pieces joke yeah yeah but Serenity died oh Serenity
died after that hold it wasn't it and then future formed two tiers later with
a handful is not a future formed almost immediately yeah was it okay okay
because so Wolf Disco Wolf Disco part of future yeah it's loot niggura that
was a cool guilt because it had these people like world-first experience but
Also was you know more like streamer environment right a little bit more about getting the
Ronok eyes on it. Yeah, that's a rock. Who actually I remember that
Yeah, I think that I think you could definitely point to future as being an important part in the path to the race world first being
Streamed I think yeah, I think yeah alpha was also really alpha for sure. Yeah
Back in this was back in Legion before the race tour first was streamed as we were in this kind of transition period between
having no info about the end boss before Five Guilds killed it to then starting
to see Alpha streaming it and seeing some of the the fights first from their
perspective. Which version of Alpha? Is this Alpha on Whisperwind or is the
different version? Which Alpha is this? I'm not sure if it was Alpha on Whisperwind or not.
I know that they got World Third on Tomb of Sargeras and World Third on
Antorus. Okay. I heard them mention a handful of times. I don't know which Alpha this is. They got back to
And they ended up showing off the big red Argus phase and the knockback orbs until Jaden
Yeah, they ended up putting up. I think it was like a thousand pulls on KJ
Which was not that many for that boss actually like a lot of pulls don't get me wrong
It's not that far above the average that boss was such a high especially if you pulled it for that first week
Phase one was basically impossible for the first like 40 seconds even I remember
When my guild was that was reaching that boss we would have
You could hearth out if you got targeted by some of the mechanics to remove them from the fight
and you'd have 17 people try to do the rest of it.
Not saying we did that, but...
No, no, no, you never.
Yeah?
Weren't you the pioneer of the shaman strat as well?
No, no, no.
I was a follower, not a pioneer.
Ah, okay, okay.
I was a shaman that did the angstrat for sure.
What are you...
What are you gonna be allowed to go back to DPS?
I yearn for the day.
See...
The thing is though, as an angst now, I feel like I would do low damage.
Yeah, no, no, no, I think you'd have like dad strength. Oh, you think so? Yeah
You have any pets? No
None. No, no, he's got 19 other rangers. I was gonna take your right. Yeah, he got some dad drink man. I guess, okay
Hmm, what'd you play here DPS and Reddus?
Back to Rogue maybe yeah, bro could be fun. No, no, I think that I think that try this would have to play up something meta
I got hunter. No, like a like a DK or yeah DPS DK. Yeah
Yeah, that's good.
The good for a waffle.
No, I just said announce that you're playing TPSDK.
It's like a, it's a soft retirement launch.
Is that a stab at Atlas or what are we getting?
I mean, I'll take it.
Three hits on Atlas.
They still need to defend themselves.
That's the perfect time to get them.
Back to the wage cage.
You could retire Alex G.
That's right, yeah.
They're warlocked. Kara's gonna be old too, isn't he?
Oh, Kara's biddle.
What's I'm saying? You never get a younger.
Kara was competing in the race for World First whenever Blood Legion was relevant.
Yeah, World First thought, I think, back in the day.
I actually didn't know that, really.
Yeah.
I don't know.
W, Kara.
That guy's age may start with a 4.
Ah, what?
That's okay.
Give it a couple of years.
We'll be in the same spot, Teddles.
You mean 11?
Yeah, a couple.
Teddles, you?
Oh.
2-5 for us.
Oh, my goodness.
We're out here.
We're out here.
We call in the bowling community a strike there that wave goes through and just hits all the pins
Goodness gracious
unfortunate
Do you have a name for like?
Glaives that would like go through lure people like that like waves Russian
Yes, but not one I can say I'm brought up. Okay
We just call them farmers, but I mean I
The way he looked at me. I was like he has a name for I do have a name for them
but it's uh it will remain I'll tell you later okay okay okay something very
suspicious it sounds like farmer through the melee hmm that's a good name yeah
yeah so like a combine harvester just yeah yeah yeah sighting all the crops it
involves into farmer and it's just farm farm farm that's what's gonna get
farm's good call you see
mm-hmm
this is what i was in stream
no i don't think so
that is a status you know
he's a successful youtuber and the eye cast it is needed stream
he's got that policy money that's why i moved to sing a true that's right
he's got a space on socks
exactly that those were
global bestsellers any socks and today they're special try this uh...
got some
panda bears on them
over nice yeah very nice
I'm proud of you.
Walking to Panda Sox, very nice.
The superior race, well actually,
just panning in case you didn't know that.
They are bouncy.
They are pandarans.
Yeah.
Oh, three panda enjoyers, that was really nice.
Male pandaren I think has, first off, the back pedal
animation is iconic.
It is a good back pedaling app.
The arm out.
The arm out, yeah.
Yeah.
Maud, can we time out Dahlia for 10 minutes, please?
What's up?
Dahlia's making fun of me.
Kalamazzy gets hit by a lot of farms.
Smooch.
I actually don't.
Well, hmmm...
Who taught my polyp type in this please?
All I'm saying is I'm waiting for scissor-rack to farm Kalamazzy.
It farmed me a lot on PTR.
Alright, so...
Well, that's going to be the end of our casting block.
You have to tell us exactly what your guild calls the Luridlaves,
but we're going to be throwing it on over to a monster energy listenin'.
We'll be back right after this.
so who's the last person in there
go again
though there's a hardy down right yeah read this person on the stream chat
okay I'm gonna read okay that works
you try one thank you yeah this guy wants me to just don't need 20 bucks
Is it 20 can?
Oh yeah.
Oh, I'll let my new frost for 20 can.
No, I don't know.
Nobody trying to see that shit, bro.
Hey, hey, hey, hey!
Hey, careful, careful!
Yeah, unholy death time.
What can you do not mention?
I already took a shit today, but it's fine.
Yeah, that is fine.
It's a key moving.
There's going to be a bubble on top of your soaks, 5, 4, 3, 4, 1.
3 2 1 now and 2 1 now
Big alien as you leave and go back to boss hitting now, and then we got a
Bubbie in like a million years after the wave dodge
the right
Keep dodging waves keep dodging waves a new set coming out of the boss now
and then after this we have a Bubby in the mid and we'll be dodging waves from the left and right.
Okay, bubble in 5.
There is an egg right under me, just be aware of that.
in a few seconds. Three, two, one, now. Egg and mailing.
They were making our way to the soaps.
Right soak in 3, 2, 1, now. Left soak in 2, 1, now, everyone in the buddy.
Good, spread out range. Watch Drini and Goop especially.
Watch Waves.
new waves coming in now
big alien 3 2 1 now
like was that?
a little bit of healing spots
yeah, I'm not sure
I'll take my lesson as I get in uh...
I think we're doing tether soon.
Coming out now.
It'll be Driny single when I call for it.
3, 2, 1, Driney, watch your feet, we did a double, be aware, it's fine, popping the rest
of them in 3, 2, 1, go, nice, roll this end, watch your feet, watch your feet, okay,
Watch your HP on the way over always.
And then on the Rawlings now.
You want the Gritchhack or no?
Watch your feet now.
Stay on the Rawlings, good.
You guys communicate.
I will call the dunk.
the last eggs. Head to mid. This side wait. Trill in, uh, shit. Yeah. Duncan 3, 2, 1, go.
That's done. Good. Let's get, let's get kicks and head to mid. Make sure the kicks are
get them
Plus now yeah, big boss a we in three two one dodge ways watch cast one of those in right here
Okay, one yeah died right three two one
Three two one dodge waves
3, 2, 1, it's over, let's clear these down even, hit the 9% one and then go to your marks,
good luck at your notes, go to your marks, pay attention to soaks initially, we'll call
the first wave soon, start on eggs, you're responsible for the eggs near you, good
big a we now it's good what it's a sort of set of two and three two one and now
the second hey there's only a set of three left personal now starting now one
look the two heads and then get all the last day again good finish these ads
now yeah huge a we in the ads now
really don't mess up right
early it's okay I just finished them
50 losses out the way the left range
okay so listen the people soaking we're
stacking please let me have the rain
or the melee and the healer one are going to stack the circle and only the
tanks plus who has an immunity.
Driny, do you have onk?
Yes I do.
Just kill the viper.
Yeah, kill the viper.
Driny, you're going to soak the one on top.
So ranged, or sorry, melee, healer, pixel stack and only four, fine, the rest of the
range can soak it.
Eggs in two seconds here.
New eggs in here.
We need to make sure these eggs don't get hit by these wave spreads, okay?
By the way, Dron, you're just gonna onk, so you can just jump into the... wherever.
Okay? Coming off soon.
Finish these adds now. Ready to spread, guys?
No.
That doesn't work, by the way.
Oh, it doesn't work. We need an extra person?
Yeah, it was Talos 5 Quartz.
That's very good information.
Which, uh, which one did it work?
Was it the ropes one, and, yeah, the ropes one, and, right, are they not supposed to be?
I don't know.
I'm, like, hardly ever gonna flip there with the way they're healing.
I mean we don't need you to have cloak at this point, you can get cloak at some point in the phase, right?
Yeah
Alright, we will see
Maybe someone moved out, you guys watch my video
Yeah, I'll watch your video
I think Olaf is in there, I don't know
Cause I was moving a little bit cause it was taking forever
So maybe I walk out of someone
I got here
Oh, you don't have friendly gameplay, it's like you can't even look-
Does anyone have friendly gameplay?
Watch me, watch me
Okay, about you, you're gonna need to go
Okay, fine
Yeah, well I've had the soak and then Nick had the soak and then we had the two tanks plus drying as long as you guys were in every
Token or every soak according to one more. This should have been enough in time. Let's see if that's true
Boss was that 21% there? Yeah. Wow
Yeah, it doesn't work needs an extra person are you sure that like those little star steps on a
tanks and move on. Yeah, but he was sent the other one at least. But both of them
calciumized it. Yeah, okay. I'm pretty sure his math was like assuming that the
person counts for your own soup but I think you don't count your own soup because you don't
get to eat it from your own soup. Yeah, I think that is probably the
difference. So you just eat one more per. Yeah. Okay. So you would need five debuffs in the range and then you would need two
2 amenities or 2 double soaks in addition to the 2 tanks.
Hey good news though, the intermission was piss.
That was easy.
It didn't even look like we were honestly even really in danger.
We seemed like pretty healthy.
I do think it's a bit spilling to put the X on the first soak,
the second soak, but I also have another excursion.
Yeah, let's watch it.
I mean I might have done one early but it's like yeah
What is this arrow?
Oh it's telling you where your soak is
Like if you're central it'll tell you where your
your soak is
Fire up was following you big time
Yeah fire up was like I'm going to surf that one for fun real quick
You're reducing him to that man
You're reducing him
I don't know what you're saying.
Wait.
Wait.
Wait.
Wait.
Wait.
Wait.
Wait.
Wait.
Wait.
Wait.
joke is completely wild like what have ever done that
oh that was a lot of money
I was gonna die
you die even if you're in it, you take the same damage
okay um
do we need 5?
you change, you just it's just the same week, you just have to change it
Hello, hello, everybody, welcome back from that monster energy listening my name is I am here with cams and jet
Kim, you alright?
No, I'm actually not alright.
This boss is not alright.
This happens every other tier maybe.
I'm in full doomer mode.
I've tilted off the planet.
You really have.
Boss is unkillable.
Needs a nerf.
Nerf take forever.
Blizzard is dragging their feet.
An earth game in today that should have come in last week.
Boss is hard.
I'm sorry.
That's okay.
Sorry about that.
That's everything we do to like turn our day around, maybe.
Like a...
A nerf would be nice or some progression that makes me feel like it doesn't even be nerfed.
Okay, I'm sorry.
And we get put in this position all the time to talk about nerfs and people go, oh, they're
crying, the boss is too hard.
Yeah.
They're run hard bosses.
Yeah.
I've been here.
This is day 16.
Yeah, you got a family, you got a life.
I've got a life to get back to.
The Raiders, they wanted to do less splits and not burn out and now they're here for
16 and I think yeah when the reality of oh dear lord this is going to week four
starts to become real that is when we'll get a nerf which is going to be late in
the week yeah yeah well I mean we can talk about that Jen also you had a
conversation with the the Raiders and I heard that they laughed at you what
was uh yeah they were like uh oh when you when you flying out and i was like right now
but all the flights are scheduled for friday it's like the boss will probably be dead by
then right and then they left oh man okay i don't have any depressing stories to tell
but emotionally i'm right there with you guys oh careful nicely done nicely done so
cams it seems like you think you were of the opinion that they under nerfed the boss
Yes, I think an HP nerf of some kind, the adds, the boss, the shields on the eggs, anything.
The tether nerf was needed because those tethers are crazy and it will help with P2.
But what's not helping with P2 is that they have to move the lust off P2 and the damage
check there is still very real.
And also it was very apparent that those tethers were too powerful last week.
And I think everybody got a little too excited about how much power is going to be gained
on the reset.
goodness everything's gonna fall over and that's not happening this boss is very
tough and it seems like a weird boss to be hard do you know what I mean it's not
yeah cuz it's not like fun tough it's tough cuz it's just there's there's
quite a lot of volatility to it yes volatility but Lura seems like it
should be hard yeah there's a lot like prettier maybe yeah it was a cool a
a cool kind of
Lore it's in the Sunwell. It just felt big. This is like a little monster in a cave on the point one pack
It seemed like it
Monsters should be kind of easy or not easy, but you know like not
Well, I mean we're 250 poles in and we are yet to even like scratch p3
Yeah, and they did have a good pole like right before a break and I was all excited
Mm-hmm, and I was like if they spawn a viper. I'm gonna run into a wall and then a viper spawned
And then they said it was a little unforeseen vipers spawn kind of right a little like ripped in the egg
And then it just sort of went over the middle a little bit and spawned a viper is kind of sad
Yeah, it was sad, but that's not what wiped them. They like tried to double stack the serpent bites
Yeah, folks, and I don't know if it's
Like in the listening they said something about like the people who have it aren't counting and aren't soaking the other person
they were stacked on so that's why didn't get cleared in time.
Yeah, because both of the circles
calcified. So I think that's what they kind of banked on, the double soak,
the two soakers making up for it, or the two targets making up for it, but
it didn't really work out that way.
Yeah, and just seeing that, it's like okay what is the minimum amount of
people who need to be alive to even progress past each
serpent fight you know what if people are not quick enough to their soak eight
and a half minutes into this fight with everybody alive and damage is looking
good and then the soak just doesn't fall off because someone's dodging a wave and
they went right instead of left and they aren't able to get enough stacks and
then the corpse calcifies and they insta wipe fragility throughout the fight
very bad for progression. Should we call you dark cams or evil?
Yeah this is dark cams. No I'm not evil it's it is darkness. Okay yeah this boss is evil. Dark cams I think is apt.
Okay all right well maybe in this in this block we can cheer you up a little
bit maybe get some progression. Yeah that would help I think yeah if we can
see just some some p3s that make it look some like manageable at all like
sometimes you'll be like how do you even do this and then they'll go in and
all sudden it's like okay that's why they took that 20 minute break as they
were setting up all the pieces and then they just kind of start doing the
phase and it's like oh where'd this come from they're playing out of their
mind and they get like a whole minute deeper into the fight that I think just
seeing that today would lift me lift my spirits all right well I believe
that they could do it within this block. I mean, you know, they they've kind of in the
middle of the day.
That's a good power.
It's a good window.
This window is a good window for them, historically.
Yeah. After dinner, it gets a little weird, usually.
Yeah, tired.
They just ate and also just to make sure of this race going along.
Yeah, that's completely valid.
Well, what are the some of the things that we're likely going to see them
struggling with jet?
I think, you know, they're like moving around, you know, they're playing for damage a lot more today. That's what I've noticed
which is why there was a lot of those
P1 heart wipes, you know, and, you know, a certain level you have to kind of think about like, is it worth it?
Because they've been throwing away a lot of poles as a result of that, versus, you know, just playing it safe and trying to just play for prog.
P2 also, there's a few cases of, you know, a little traffic, you know, egg traffic.
There have been quite a few webs of that and I think their air mission, you know
They did really well that last pull that we saw in the listening, but I don't feel comfortable yet
You know, it's like kind of sometimes you can just tell when they're like sort of walking on a razor's edge
When they do a certain part of a fight and that intermission to me still feels that way doesn't feel like a oh
This is a free like they got this, you know
So I don't think we're at that yet. And I feel like that is a big part of the
comms mute is a little bit on the intermission obviously
I think they have a lot to talk about p3 as well even though, you know
Even though they wiped at a lower percentage technically the fight duration is about the same still yeah around seven minutes
Or something like that in the fight
So yeah, I mean I
Would like to see them just basically at least get to the intermission every pull
This for the sake of like their own consistency to me that would mean they've got like one and two down pretty well
I think
At this we're at the point where this fight's really interesting because there's a lot of prog loss
But I don't think a prog loss in p3 would help anything
so I
Predicting that they're gonna leave that less at the first heart for now
Maybe they do the second heart just to get those
P2 adds down, but I don't think you'll see a P3 lust at all even on the kill
I think the P1 lust is the highest damage loss for the fight
They lasted the second burn on that last attempt. Yeah. Yeah, they've been doing that just to like get the
P2 adds dead, but I don't think that's the highest damage loss is going to be the first one
That's the highest and if they have to do that then they're gonna have those P2 adds
Kind of lingering into the intermission. Yeah, they do frontals and
And running around with the ads that do big massive frontals to try and get soaks is a bad combo
Yeah, yeah, I don't think that
P2 ads are that big of a deal the problem really to me is
Having them up after during the burn and a little bit after one of those eggs pop up
I think that's like the scariest damage checking that part of the fight is the eggs going into the intermission and
Breaking those shields. They can't basically have to do those first set of soaks without being unable to pick up the eggs
right now anyway. And that's pretty tough. You got to do some crazy pickups then
in the middle of like soaks three and four, you know, to like be able to pick
them up. And given the fact that they keep, they're still taking these long
breaks, they're still, you're muting their comms right now. Yeah. I would have
thought that this is just like the difficulty that they're seeing right
now is just like their positional issues, like you know they're getting
hit by the waves with the egg, they're you know not surviving through
the Tethers, it still seems like there's things
they're trying to workshop.
Well, I think anytime you see it,
CombsMute is probably because they are talking
a little bit further ahead.
Yeah, okay.
Which I think there's probably a lot of P3 discussion there
in terms of what they did just at the start of the fight,
even though we barely saw any of it yet again.
I think they wanna set themselves up
so that next time they get there,
they get like a first platform break.
I think that's the, you know, we're going to take goals by baby steps.
I think that's like the first goal, first platform break into P three.
And so I think a lot of that discussion is probably like, how we get there.
All right. Well, here we go. First pull of our casting block at least.
Yeah. They're doing one of the things that has made me so skeptical about this
boss time quickly now is this wretch used to be dead at this point,
but we kind of knew to get more boss damage,
you're gonna have to leave it alive,
which means they're gonna do that burst,
which means you have to come up with like a strat
to do the soak and the burst at the same time,
which isn't too bad.
You know, they just kind of go into the bubble
into their soaks and then maybe have a different layout
for the egg people so they don't touch each other
doing that compared to before.
So that point's not too bad.
It actually seems like the wretches
for the whole fight aren't terrible.
I mean, in P3, who even knows?
Yeah, we haven't even seen it yet, right?
But the P1, the adjustment to have
damage pull off of the wretch and onto the boss has been like pretty successful I think.
Like they're even getting two bursts here, it's not even that bad.
Yeah, really doesn't do anything in team one.
No, and I don't know if the wretch has an enrage time, I mean they're even getting the second one here and the first is still up.
So I'm actually surprised that they didn't do that last week and kind of lean into the slingshot effect by going,
you know that echo they can lust where they want for Prague they can put as much
damage into the ads for Prague as they want but we're gonna sit back and we're
gonna just get really good and false damage P1 because we're gonna have to
do that anyways and it will just slingshot and yank everything that they
trailblazed so it I'm surprised that this didn't happen earlier or at least
some last week yeah they're kind of some meat burning it down up until
Yeah, but midway through today. When did they start doing that?
Call or that's change. Yeah, sometime today. I don't know.
Maybe just they started today with it. I'm not sure
But it's been a known
Thing that needed to happen. So I just thought they would kind of like use the like
knowing the boss was not going to die last week using that to your advantage to just
kind of do strat consistency things that you're gonna have to do later on and let
echo see more of the fight and get the time before them and stuff which are like
happened anyways but it didn't seem like it's that difficult of a change to
actually keep these guys alive so they are kind of falling apart in P1 but that
is not the richest fault I don't think
no it's probably a wave it's almost always a wave a wave or a traffic jam
mix of both but it could have been a traffic jam on the way to the first
I think that was a way if people was carrying an egg a guy by way during the
so yeah these vipers are gonna go down as just demons of raiding history most
hated mobs of all time yeah the second you see a viper it is just over
Also, do you guys see Hopeful absolutely vibing this morning?
I wonder if he's still in this.
Oh, singing?
Yeah.
Dude, he's having...
We... a lot of us might be in a little bit of a bad, like bad spirits.
Hopeful seems to still be having a good day.
I have a theory that the higher spirits, Hopeful, is in, the worse they do.
Oh, no.
So someone's gotta punish that guy or something.
No!
You innocent!
Oh, that's what you think.
But in fact, he's an evil, dastardly man.
Jesus.
I hope that's what he knew.
He's done a lot more than he could imagine.
He used to be my girl after all.
Oh, that's true.
Wait, really?
Yeah, it was in Instant Dollars.
Oh, I didn't know that.
Okay.
So you went from Instant Dollars to Echo to here?
Yeah.
Okay.
Does that pause, or is it just a screenshot?
Well, this isn't really fitting my narrative, because he was listening to like, girly
pop music.
I don't know what this is.
Yeah, I don't know if this is either.
Give me a taste of the production.
Yeah, okay.
Forward.
Three.
Three years earlier, so we're going to go up and down.
No, he's actually really happy because he's doing the opener right now, which is Arcane Surge into Missiles.
I'm sorry, I'm just...
Don't do it, don't do it.
No, we're not doing it.
Ha ha ha ha ha!
That's what we call a cheeky little throwback, and we will not go any further.
A little callback.
and that's
that's we get to week four we will revisit the arcane major rotation
maybe i'll learn
devour demon hunter well enough i can do that as well but
well but he's not playing it on the spot so now we have to get out of our
really good
i don't know he fell off
after the first uh...
six bosses
yeah we got back to the
havoc demon hunter as it should be tried and true the tried and true
Look at this guy see he can't this guy should not be allowed to play happy now
He can't be allowed to play happy he has to not be playing happy
Hopeful to me just so people some people just uh, they don't know what's good for them. He thinks like he
Can succeed being all singing and and joyful, but in fact he needs to be miserable
That's how that's when he really plays the hardest. Yeah, I feel like you're projecting. No, no, no, no
No, you just get to know these players and know you this is this is what this guy needs
Yes, someone's got to rain him in. Okay. I mean he seems random. He's no longer listening to his girly pop playlist
It seems like I don't know what that's on was but
No, that's kind of fun in the morning. You're here with some reset gear you're feeling yourself. You're powerful, you know like
We've got some polls that we're gonna throw away because we're seeing it again for the first time in a day
So like the expectations aren't the highest
Mixed with the good power so you kind of feel yourself in that moment, but then you know you get 20 30 poles deeper into the day
And go oh no
The vipers are still spawning. I
Still have to carry this egg and not get hit by any wave all the time
But it's gonna happen
I'm gonna blink here and not blink on my friend
you have a wife we have a wife incoming you have a wiper yeah there we go
couple sometimes you're propped a little wiper
I think what's crazy is from when I was listening to them it seems like when
they proc these P1 vipers it's never like oh you know this is just something
that happens every pull and I just wasn't paying attention to this pull
It's always like, oh, actually this is something like we need to keep in mind for.
There's like so many different like cases where you can get hit by stuff and you can't like, you can't, you know, realistically you're not going to remember every single one.
It's kind of crazy. There's so many failure modes for this first phase.
Yeah, like you're saying there's some sort of set pattern to the waves. Yeah from what I understand and so they're like, oh if it's
pattern
23b
Just remember that if you're back there by square
They're gonna pop out and get you
Yeah, at that same time they're coming over from diamond or I don't know I'm there's so many angles of fail
But I think the problem is like it's hard to remember all that. Yeah, I feel like you I
I don't know. You have to like set nose for yourself or something or just kind of subliminally take it in like a
Spidey sense tingles and you're like wait up in here before and they probably had to change their
Their little dance a little bit also because of the fact that they're no longer just like barreling down the ad
Yeah, yeah, you're standing. Yeah, so everyone's a little bit different positioning wise. Yeah, you know, it's changing in different places
They got to go somewhere else, you know after the spread. Yeah, it's uh
pretty uh it's pretty complicated it's pretty complex
just running into each other with the egg spawn and add or yeah yeah both
okay that's also something so yeah so waves and
waves and running into people with that yeah so yeah so not immediately
killing that add adds like quite a bit more difficulty
yeah just because you have to like like you said you always have to think
about where it is too and how you can get in and out of it
and back to like a clear space
I was looking at some data, maybe I can pull it up.
I don't see how well this works on my phone.
I've just like P1 consistency and stuff like that.
Well, I just, it's like this coordinates.
I don't know how to get them, get them on there.
But it's a consistency in the first phase
and like how many attempts that they're even getting
into other phases.
And so this fight, about 50% of the polls that make it
to P2, which seemed kind of high to me actually, but I guess I would really want to know, and
this might not be possible without logs, is like how many P2s do they get to with no Viper?
Because that's a real P2 pole.
All they like, what we just saw there is technically a P2 pole, but they wiped in P1,
because the wipe happens when the Viper spawns, even if it doesn't instantly kill you,
it may as well, but so about 50%, like the boss will submerge, and they've
gotten into P2 and on Lura I think P2 or getting into the first in a mission was
something of like 30% consistency but in Lura you just instantly wiped it for
crystal died like it was much more just instantly over where this can like really
drag on but it's a tough P1 Max is saying Lura is harder not even close
Max is saying Lura was harder the P1 okay P1
But that there's a spot in the P1 of this fight the second set of eggs that seems like it's got to be at least on par
That part's so tough
But yeah like it's got a different feel to Laura for sure
one. I think you're telling me I was a yapping all the way over here, man. Yeah, part of
that was probably. He's pretty jolly today. He's jolly. I feel like he's way more jolly
than usual. Wait a minute. You're right. I feel like he comes in every morning like
grumpy about dude. He is like very jolly today. What's going on? He's in good spirits.
he likes all this yeah he enjoys the wiping he enjoys the suffering nice to
see people brought down to his level
but hopeful right now hopeful's not smiling he loves that I think you think
they're on the same wavelength well they're like inverse wavelengths hopeful's
not smiling so Cal Mazi is in Cal Mazi's just elated okay so those eggs
as well.
No, but it seems like, you know, once we're in, like, doomer territory, hopeful Anne Kalamazie
sort of kind of fell a bit more sprightly today.
And then getting at, oh my god.
Thanks for everything, Steve.
Yeah, yesterday I was a little happy yesterday, even though the doom was looming.
So sometimes you just kind of proc, it's like mania.
It's not really happy, it's just, like, it's too much, starting to crack a little
little bit. Little Joker energy. Yeah, why not? Why not? Stop, you got it a little bit?
It's like they've got to kill these eggs. This is the, this is the hard part. This is
when it gets real. They're killing off that wretch. I think they still have the other
one up over there. Very low. I'm going to need to grab these eggs. I was getting
into the bubble first and then he all... We're getting a double bubble. We're
getting double bubble. Double trouble. Beautiful boss damage, I'm hoping.
Double bubble gum.
Double bubble gum.
They all have their eggs or whatever.
This part is tough.
Like we were saying, they're not set wave patterns.
It's going to do it left and it's going to do it right and that's random.
And then all the other tails shooting stuff out all over the place are kind of...
There's some pattern to it but it's random enough that you can't just think of every condition all the time.
time. That looked pretty clean. No viper. You can tell because they don't have like a rotten egg debuff.
That was an easy bubble because it's right next to the slams. That one's fine. But okay, these waves are okay.
Even if somebody gets hit by a wave right now, it's a lot better than before because there can be no
viper spawn. They'll just die. Yeah, you notice the rangers are playing away from the group now
because they're trying to like bait the ground circles. So leave the melee a little open.
But not all the ground circles seem to be baitable.
They're just spreading them out a bit.
Yeah.
That makes sense.
Oh, Johnny's gone down.
They cannot get him.
I believe he's one of the doers.
He's one of the ones that go by himself, too, right?
Yeah.
Go by himself and these tethers are going to be probably impossible.
Yeah.
They could lust.
Oh, they're going to lust.
Do they not have a restroom?
I can't see the thing right now.
It's up in a minute 20.
Okay, so that's kind of like this entire phase.
Yeah, these sunglasses are zenny, so I'm able to read that text.
able to read that text. Yeah, I wish I had some. You can see that. Yeah, he's quite
hard to be up to 25% off. Exactly. The really cool feature that you were telling me about
this morning, Jed, is the little circle thing that they've got next to their main plate
so you can tell when they're about to get AD. Yeah, so these Rawlings, they lay like
25 seconds before you have to kill them. Then they get really mad and then their
attacks do a lot of damage and what happens you're pretty much like you're
gonna lose like two or three people so having that on the name plates is a
nice little way you can see those little green circles are slowly turn red as
time goes on and having that on a puts a nice way to tell hey we need to kill
this specific rolling faster because some of the ads you know they're not all
spawning at the same time so there's a little bit of a you know
displacement between buff durations and yeah I mean another p2 wipe so I don't
think I was trying to relate it actually I think there was a little bit of a
mishap I get to your viper also kind of feel like maybe maybe this maybe I'm
just like projecting here but if something like that happened like the
like the main dude for your hallway going down I feel like that's when you
start kind of like yeah there's definitely some things especially when
you're so deep into a boss, there's definitely something to like someone dying
really early. That's a very integral to the fight. Yeah. And then being like,
Yeah. Yeah. GG go next. Mm hmm. It's a good opportunity to say you're
trying to back up. You're gonna practice it a little bit in a low lower
stakes environment. Yeah. Where maybe if they get into a P two and trying to
dies mid p2 you can just snap into that practice that you had but yeah it's it
also just feels so bad to just jump from the poison definitely yeah we can last
let's see what happens yeah it's kind of finding that balance of like pushing
the pushing the pull a little bit longer even though you know it's doomed so you
can get their repetition or like are we wasting our time should we just wipe
been going again. Yeah. Also,
somebody said, uh, someone told the castors that if there's a secret phase, they have to get
titles to come out of King Cobra again and praise Utec. Um, take a look at there.
Oh, if there's a secret phase, well, you know what? I feel like if there's a secret phase,
they would have deleted it by now. They're like, never mind. Yeah, they're like,
ah, well, this is taking a little bit longer than we thought. Maybe we'll shelf this.
Yeah
It would just be the greatest prank of all time that there was a secret phase. Yeah, I think
It would have to literally be a prank and they say just kidding you actually won but we thought that'd be funny
So I forget all Laura that was like a real big surprise. Oh, yeah, but there were still kind of rumors about it
right? There was stuff in data mining that they found but I think what people got thrown off by
like so much was the fact that the boss was so hard that maybe they were like oh you know
and it didn't activate at like a higher percentage sometimes secret most secret phases they usually
don't activate at zero I think Jailer is like the only other one and you know there was like a
case of like oh you know the fight's so hard maybe they like scrap the secret phase that's
that's also happened before and they've also like left certain spells on Wowhead that look
like they're like baiting you into believing they're part of some secret phase or a mythic
mechanic and then they're not so yeah there's a lot of that going into it. Yeah it was like
I mean THD would kind of walk around because they're not supposed to give us info it'd
We'd kind of like sidle, whatever,
sidestep up to me and Carl Mazzer or something
and just be like, this boss hits 20%.
You're gonna see some stuff and we're like, okay,
what's that?
You just like, you just pay attention when it gets 20%.
20% came and went, nothing happened.
It was like, okay, maybe it's 5%.
That came and went, nothing happened.
And it was like, okay.
And I think they even had a 1% and it's like, okay,
it's either 0% or it's not happening.
And like Jett said, the boss seems hard enough.
It doesn't need to take your phase.
just no no chance there's gonna be one so like I even people like see Ori and oh
yeah and I remember asking group at the time is like it's so see your face
damn it's just like yeah I think it's like a 1% chance that actually happens
no secret phase it kind of sounds like it was very surprising I was up here
with Kettlesons and Ironic and we could not believe our eyes.
Yeah, I mean, I think it was like maybe the most memorable
part of the F-moment ever.
Yeah, like during the race, even before the kill,
it was like, that is probably more exciting
than World First could be.
I think that's the highlight of the crew right there.
Yeah.
It was in articles.
Oh, yeah.
That's good.
Because we were out here making all sorts of faces
and screaming.
Yeah.
I feel like we're safe here though, I have not seen it before.
Yeah, we're safe.
Unless they have found a way to completely bury that information.
The only people that say secret phase are the people that are hoping for secret phase.
Yeah.
And I think it would be an epic prank.
It would be a, it would be a, yeah, it'd be like one of those pranks where like,
You know, you ever see those like really douchey TikTokers go in
and just like mess with minimum wage employees
that are already kind of happy with that day.
They like throw a gallon of milk on the ground.
It kind of feel a bit like that type of prank.
I think, you know, at least when the Luro secret phase
happened, it's not like they progged it a lot.
Yeah.
You know, took them probably like four or five bulls
getting in there to like finally do it.
The secret phase?
Yeah, the secret phase.
So there's like another half a day, right?
Someone like that. Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, because I I remember the
the secret phase reveal happened that night
and it didn't get dark.
And then they all came back the next day
and then they got it like in the evening, I think, like right after lunch.
I don't remember the exact time.
Echo was still awake.
They were going a little late
because everyone thought the boss was about to die.
Yeah. And then just remember the secret phase
Brock and then Echo just went to bed like instead so it was late in their night
Which would
What I guess maybe around in the afternoon sometime, but we did not go dark
They kept warning the casters if there's a secret phase we're turning the streams off. We'll cut to you and
They just ended up like Max just stayed live
There was a moment where we weren't sure what to do and they're like, okay
We're just showing the secret phase and they just kept going. Yeah, we're all a little like stun locked
But then yeah, they went to bed and woke up in the next day. It was kid. They killed it
Question from chat. Does someone know if Shaq is playing reader for funnel or voids card as usual?
He was playing fell scarred earlier. I don't know if he's still doing it now. You'd be able to tell
If that's some point we go to his POV all during the pole. Yeah, he's exploding. He's still playing fell scarred
I know a lot of them are kind of going back and forth though
Yeah, there's a little bit of back and forth
Yeah, I'm looking I don't know if we're going to be able to tell you he's exploding. We can't see it. Oh, yeah
Not right now. I'm not doing when the pole starts you'd easily be able to tell
Oh, he did turn his camera check he's gone dark he's dark
Yeah, he's with you. It's all day. Everybody's in dark mode right now. Yeah. Yeah. Very sunny
outside but dark inside the Alienware training facility. It's a warm outside. What you went
for a little walk earlier too, right? Yeah, I've been on three walks today. Oh yeah. Kansas
had to walk it off. Yeah. Walk off the darkness. I'm fighting everything. Oh, yeah. Oh,
Oh, that little break timer.
This is good.
Just like Cam's, they're also up.
Oh yeah, he is a foul scarred because of that buff.
Wow, yeah.
Good catch.
Great catch, even.
I forgot that that's the thing, yeah.
The other one's Reaver, and that is the funnel one.
Reaver is the funnel one, yes.
Yeah, OK.
Somebody asks, is it realistically dying tonight?
No!
Oh, absolutely no way.
There's a world that can happen, but it would take nerves right now.
And heavy nerves.
It would take nerves right now, and then
the amount of rage that would have
been born out of those type of nerves would be
it would be generational.
There'd be legends told about.
Yes.
The nerd rage that would come out of nerves that are good enough to get the
to be killed tonight right now.
Yeah, I think it's just pull and get the consistency
because you never know what happens.
You know, sometimes you just something just gets fixed
and mistakes that happen just no longer happen anymore.
And then you can get a little further and then consistently
getting to P3 realize like, oh, this is manageable
and kind of like march forward.
That's what you want to see.
But right now it's just tough.
It's very hard.
I uh, I wonder if this will be the air like maybe not the end, but we shelve the whole like
Will you get hit by a mechanic at it instantly watch your raid yeah, I deal
Yeah, I think it's overstated. It's welcome. Yeah, it's mentally very hard because
it really does not feel good to wipe the raid and
It just causes different players to take turns wiping the raid and so that kind of just feels bad
And then also makes the fight really hard
All right. Well, we've got some trance bombs that we can take a look at
This is like a full
Trading post a character ball. You're right. Yeah, I think this is like almost all trading posts
Trading post is fine from ethics. Yeah, but a full trading post set. I think that's okay to submit to get raided
It's fine
But I mean, are you mad at a full? Oh all this gear is from raids
Am I oh, no way?
I'm saying would that make you oh
Okay, oh, okay. I
Listen, I'm I love the training post. I love them. Love it, but I just like to see people's creativity
you know well
It's not a training post set. It's like made of a bunch of different stuff
Yeah, you're right. It's hodge podge together. It's giving me like...
I'll give it a 7 out of 10. I like it.
It's giving like...
Interesting that you decided to make your character bald.
That is not their fault. That is the game.
No, no, no. Because look, if you close...
Oh, you're right!
It's like an actual bald character. It's not like the hair thing that...
Maybe...
...that hats do. Like this is an actual bald character.
Closing on the baldness.
Maybe it was sticking...
Maybe it was like...
Yeah.
Okay.
I see what you mean.
See? Yeah.
Okay.
The dress is apparently not trading posts.
Okay. Oh, is it not? What is it from there?
Oh, it kind of looks like one of like an old cloth dress.
Oh, maybe it's like a pilgrim's bounty thing.
I think so, yeah.
I have their armory.
I can look it up.
But anyway, 7-on-10, it's a good,
nicely made, nicely made set.
Oh, their name?
Okay, their name is really cute.
Actually, it's time warp, but it's spelled like this like the spice
Yeah
Time warp. That's cute. Oh time warp time. Yeah from time sage their dress is the spring revelers turquoise dress
Okay, oh is that from like all day event? It kind of seems like it yeah Easter or something like that
Yeah, yeah, that's what it seems like. Yeah
It's a good set eight for me
Can't wait statement. I will wear the manly sets
Not my game or girly pop stuff. I'll give it an I like blood and guts and farts
They make stuff that's cute. See give me a manly set in that crap nothing feminine about gardening
And farming a lot of masculine huge some of the strongest people in the world are farmers actually that's true
Yeah, true. That's true big muscles
feel that you do slash donate if you'd like to submit a link to your armory and take a look at your transmog and
Me and jet have very differing opinions. I feel like you're kind of in the middle. You kind of balance us out
Mm-hmm about what ratings just like because you're like you're fine with full sets and stuff, right?
I don't know. I just thought you need to have really different tastes
Yeah, because I'm like rating people's tastes more so less so than like how it matches and stuff
No, it has to do with like I don't know it's hard to explain like this set is pretty cool
Yeah, yeah, you know, and I'm sure you don't like that. It's a ball pair
I mean, I won't dock points because it's a ball pair, but I think just yeah in general
I'm not a big person. Yeah, I like this is pretty good
7.5 out of 10 okay I'm seeing a darkful para so I like that very much
yeah if anyone has any emo trans fog send them in all right I'll give it I
like it is this is this like the firelands or am I just guessing that
cuz it's fiery no that's like the crown of whatever from it's like a
level 60 item. I don't know exactly what it's called, but I was going to say, you know,
if you're nefarious human form, if nefarious took a Volpera form, this is what it would
look like. It kind of looks like it. You know, it looks like nefarious. Like Volpera
nefarious.
It's the crown of power. Is that where you're going to go?
I think so. That sounds right.
I even like the markings, like over the shoulder, onto the chest.
Yeah, that was good.
And they match the eyes?
There was like a...
uh...
Vulpera. This was like a dressing...
while I had dressing...
dressing room things. It's like you can't really do this.
I actually technically could, but like
in practical...
while you couldn't. But it was a...
Vulpera in Tier 3 Shaman
using a hand of rag.
And it looked so cool actually.
And I was like, man, they kinda...
I gotta bring two handed shaman back. Two handed enhanced needs to be back in the game.
I really miss it.
I was really sad when I was playing sod.
I saw that shaman tank was a thing.
In sod.
But they play with like a one hand or a shield.
You know? It's so lame.
Dude, they could...
It was so lame.
It would have been so cool if shaman tank was like a Sulfurus.
Or like a two handed weapon.
You know? Two handed shaman tank.
Yeah.
And how cool that would be.
That would have been really cool.
I feel like the tank spec is just right there.
It's like built into the class fantasy of Shamans.
Yeah.
And it's just doesn't, it's not in the retail.
And I don't know why.
So you just make like a rock themed tank.
There's no rock themed stuff.
Like an earth warden.
I don't know.
He goes so cool, he's so cool.
There's not much earth stuff for Shamans
like earthquake and earth shield.
And maybe you have like totems that like, I don't know,
It's like place on a target or in an area and it kind of gathers. I don't know. It could be cool
I feel like there's it has a lot of potential as a class. I feel I wonder if those are will ever do fourth specs
If that'll ever be a thing, you know, maybe not in the last Titan, but like what about the expansion afterwards?
Yeah, well, that's because like Farrell had like basically two specs built into it already
Yeah, it's like from the start. Yeah, I'm gonna like a brand new spec. They did it with the H
Yeah, so like maybe they'll do more you know they made it wait. What do you mean like they added a speck to DH?
Oh, I see a seat. Okay, like it will they ever add a pink, you know speck to a shaman or something
Yeah, take shaman take well. I think Warlock was cool inside. I
Feel like
Sometimes having another speck unlocked for a class that are exist is like almost more exciting than the new class
Yeah, I would think so too. They added like a couple specs to the existing stuff.
You know why? It's because like a new class is a whole different theme and like aesthetic and the play style.
But like when you add a whole new spec, it's like, and I feel like to be clear, fair, I think even though it kind of failed with this,
But like in general we had a new spec you kind of like get a different take on an existing classic
You may already like right yeah, like you may already like the way warlock plays
So you might be interested in the idea of like a warlock tank. Yeah, I think with DH kind of failed because
It's like a it's the spec design is kind of half-baked and when you play castor devourer for example
Which was like what everybody play last season
It doesn't feel like demon hunter outside of when you press shift. Yeah shift is a very demon hunter
He's spelled yeah, but then you play the build this season boys car
Which actually feels a lot like DH you're like zipping in and out and dashing around
Stuff like that, but then the problem with that one is that it's kind of badly designed and you don't use like one of your
main spender abilities, so it's a little weird and
Even then like there are a whole lot of other design problems with it
but that's why I think Demon Hunter kind of failed but in general I feel like you
could add a new spec to a class and really like lean in on concepts for the
class that are already existing and just have a whole brand new take on it and
it would be cool. I think that's what SOG did.
There's gonna be a weird comparison but it's kind of like how...
I think we're still gonna lose our end.
So see you know, yeah, a little bit of a freeze screen, but you know, don't worry. They wiped though
You know how yep, or yep, it's not yet to Disney will like take their movies out of the vaults
I really ten years or whatever. I
Rather than I mean obviously they still make
You like that I feel like they're like reinvigorate the interest in a in a class
I really think adding like new fourth specs would would be cool. I think yeah, I don't see why not
I think like I said, I think saw did a really good you really good at that because
They added new specs, but it still felt like you're playing the class like warlock still play felt like warlock
Rogue tank also felt like rogue
You know mage healer felt like mage still
It was pretty interesting honestly. Yeah, do you think they could do a mage healer and like
in the main game that would be a cool or you would just be like another dps
mage healer how it worked in sod was like it basically put up a tomans and
then just full dps to heal it was basically a tome and disk but like on
crack so I think on retail it would have to be something different since it
already exists they know a tome and disk healing didn't wasn't a thing in
sod so it was filling a niche that you know wasn't quite there but they
could without like ruining some to bring back an old term the class fantasy you
think they could like still do yeah it's hard to say because I think you know the
the mage fantasy for healing people really leaned on was time magic and now
like preservoker or evoker in general has like has that now so I don't know
it had to be something else I don't know actually yeah I think mage healer
maybe it might be tough to do.
Could they add?
So do you think a mage spec would just be,
I don't even know what element they could pick or something,
but it would just be another DPS?
Yeah, I don't know.
Maybe not another DPS.
There would have to be new roles.
I think that's the other thing too.
Because I think adding a new DPS spec would only work
in some cases, like I think like Prott Warrior,
like a Gladiator Warrior DPS, I think that's something
that like people want the fantasy for.
I think what you decide to put in
is kind of based off of what the player base is interested in.
Player base has been interested in like the Gladiator Warrior
for like such a long time, you know.
And they almost had it for a little bit in Wadd.
We already have a vibrate.
Dude, that's not good.
Very good of a work, Steve.
It's kind of into white.
Yeah, that was what you were worth it.
Surprise, an egg was even,
it'll be picked up at that point.
Yeah, I don't know what happened.
use a good accidental pic I don't know I don't know what that was but yeah well
let's let's think okay okay so about major or no just in general warlock tank is
like the obvious one right warrior like let's say gladiator obvious yeah warlock
tank is like something you know people have wanted for so long they floored
it with him a bear yeah they flirted with it though mm-hmm warlocks yeah but
to use so many of those go to demon form and they haven't even been armorer okay yeah okay so
a warrior gladiator dps and I think that's something people want people are interested in
um rogue sod did rogue tank but how about this how about rogue healer and you like heal with
potions and potion and stuff like that like an apothecary spec isn't there a healer like that
I don't know, I don't play Valorant, so I'm not sure.
I swear I remember throwing things at people from the back line, but I've played it for
like 2 seconds.
For Shaman, obviously like Tank Shaman, I think that's another one.
Or like a two handed Shaman.
I think two handed Tank Shaman would be cool.
Oh, even though they've got shields you would...
Yeah, yeah, because like I said, Saad did Tank Shaman with the shield, Sword and
Board.
I think that's lame.
I think doing a two-handed spec for Shaman, but they were a tank, would be cool.
Because right now, only two-handed weapon tanks are like Monk and DK.
And would it be agility?
It would be agility.
So they would use, like, pole arms and stuff like that.
Or maces, you know.
So, and warlock tank would be intellect?
Yeah, warlock tank would still be the same, like, intellect, yeah.
Um, let's see.
What do you think they could do for Priest?
support spec but I don't really want that added so yeah maybe you can have
like a light priest like a light damage priest but yeah I was gonna say that yeah
yeah like like a dude in Diablo like a like a monk this is like a DPS like
discipline priest almost right yeah yeah exactly something like that yeah
Maybe they could do holy shocks you or something. Yeah
Amnesia is that he harnesses the power of the lights
to harm his foes
Yeah, but they've got you know holy fire they got smite. Oh, yeah
Well, yeah, you might you may have to steal the shocker than identity from
You might have steal the shocker than identity. Oh, yeah, that was a thing too inside
You could play shock it and build you play shock it and build DPS built that like
You really enjoyed playing with like a really fast two-hander. Yeah, and you would like play for like Art of War resets
For insta-cast exorcisms and like holy shocking stuff. It was actually a lot of damage. It was really good in the last season. I
Actually had a shock it and set on my power. It was really cool
So you can do something like that for a holy paladin, actually, you do shock it in spec for a holy paladin in general.
What else could we do?
I always thought it was strange that sometimes my brain is still getting confused, that I think there's a tank of okerspec.
there okay there was a lot of room there were a lot of rumors that like before
aug was known to be a thing that the third evoker spec was going to be a tank
yeah like a male tank my brain is just stuck there I feel like that could still
work I think so too I have like a because you know like every evoker spec
kind of has like a they're aligned to some aspect right yeah like green and
Red is for like Prez usually a red is also for dev
And then like for damn, and they have blue also for dev and then all it has like bronze and black
But really like black could be for tank. Yeah. Yeah, so they have a tank of oak respect. Yeah, I thought it was gonna be
Like black aspect paint kind of things. Yeah, I think that would that would work out pretty well
How about a cast respect for DK?
It would be like more classic DK, originally DK was a lot closer to Warlock, a mix of Warlock
than it was a Lich King type of plate, rune blade type, if it was like an actual Necromancer,
you know, like a Necromancer spec for DK.
I feel like the Holy DK is kind of very Necromancer-y right now though, you show
me things following it.
How was the unholy, like maybe I don't understand like what Necromancer means to people but like I feel like the current version of Unholy is very...
It is pretty Necromancy right now.
Necromancer, like it used to be like you just had your ghoul and then every like 10 minutes you could use the army of the dead and only in like some situations you're like...
Yeah, I mean originally Unholy was like all about like spirit strikes and diseases.
You know now it's now a turn that, it has now turned into like a Necromancer's back.
You're just like summoning ghouls and stuff.
Don't know what's going on.
We keep cutting back between like epic THD music and like horns.
Yeah, we're having the wild card gaming opulence, you know, side-by-side kill video view.
It's actually kind of cool.
Drani goes in, gets his egg on his own.
This is a good pull, by the way.
Yeah, this is a good pull.
It's a tight arm.
Oh, no, it's not a good pull.
No, they got there late and they got
So bad
No, they didn't cast a curse at they I think we just missed the doom scale
No, they were late on the doom scale. They got there late late pickup, which I want to know how that happens
because shouldn't you just be in a spot in P2 and then just know okay set a reminder when
this counts down leave this spot and go to the egg and that will leave you like one
second a wiggle room for some puddles or something on the way and you just W over there and
W back.
Yeah not 100% sure exactly how that all works.
they need those things to not happen because it is so hard to get into P2 and to that point
where all you have to do is get the eggs and dump them, like by the timer, without having
spent the lust, without getting a Viper in P1, like all these different conditions are
met, they're finally there, and then the pole gets thrown by, what at least from the
outside appears to be someone was just late to run and grab their egg. They could
have died on the way, I wasn't watching the raid frames too carefully, I've seen
I'll do it and it's pretty scary. Let's see if the raiders have anything to say about that. Why we're gonna
Do a monster energy listen in?
I
Is anyone reading chat today or now?
Looking over to Nick?
Oh, it says not look good.
I don't read chat at all, and then you say that, and then I always open it just to see if I look.
Nick is fully broke.
We'd be happy, we'd be happy.
Nick C-51, that is.
Every time there's a fireman, that makes it a 2-0.
I don't know how much that really affects me because I don't want my cooldowns up just
yet.
I still get my 1 meds on them.
I'm trying to see where all the melee...
All melee, this is a good grasp, right?
to tell like when we're saying big grasping fangs where is where do you
actually want to be? I go in the cubby in between all the legs this is quite
northeast. Yeah right there. And if if if I have a swirl on me I move to where the
lip is. Oh fuck I'm watching see where he's restarting. Do you melee know
if there's like an objectively better spot for that and get some more
opinions on it? I just tried to be either in that cubby or like where I
I have one of those too.
I'll put it before the eggs so I can be ready to break while I'm in the water the whole time.
I think if you base in the covee, you can't break it to the far side.
Or you can't break it to the top right.
That's why I try to sit back a bit.
I always fell effect the groupers.
Yeah, I mean, I feel like there's a range spot where you guys should get tethered and there's probably a melee spot
I just want to make sure everyone's on the same page of where it is. Like it's possible lips is better than your oils
I just want to know that everyone's doing like the best possible one to maximize uptime
As a his break is like too far away from the CDs, but where's the seas? I mean his is like right next to it
I guess I guess he's
Okay, I can't get from where it was
I usually break the other side because I'm chilling on the way to the CDs.
And redress the spelling yips thing, sometimes like I'm doing it, sometimes someone else
is getting it, we just like solidify that roll.
I think I can do something about it.
Shaman's Druids me...
Priest?
Maybe?
Okay.
Okay.
Poison?
Priest come do something.
Yeah.
It's only really a problem when I'm just like sitting 40 stack and it's not going to dispel
me.
I mean, in the intermission I usually am casting spells.
No, no, no.
It'd be one.
Yeah.
Oh.
Yeah, I know.
for a dispel like I'm dodging waves, popping my cooldowns and looking for his stacks and stuff.
So like if I'm going to be the one dispelling then I'm just going to like make a reminder for it
every time. But right now it's just been kind of yellow.
Okay, what time in the fight is it?
It's like around one minute in.
Okay.
Probably a decent time to just slam it.
It's usually fine if it's like 20 or 30 but like sometimes this game
like 40 or 50 then it's actually like what you're trying to mean.
If you lock in your stasis, it like re-dispels when the stacks get back on.
Okay.
Oh.
It's not like actually a problem, right?
Like are you setting up the stasis there?
No.
You made a DPS to go?
No.
Okay.
I know I know the tech to like lock the lock
Wait, what's going on?
Mixed the lock.
It's fun hopeful, so don't fix it.
Dude, okay, so that bathroom, it is a...
I know how to get it to lock, but I'm telling you, one out of ten times, it gets stuck and you basically have to break the door back open.
Which is what I did.
Is it chill if I just rescue you from her?
After the ad circle, since there's no waves or anything?
Yeah, you could do it before the ad circle, if you can.
I don't know if they still wait or something.
It's like hard for me to get into the ad circle, but I don't know how many instants
when I'm just walking there.
yeah it looks like it's safe and there's apple I could probably just slam it
was apple channel okay yeah I messed up my ramp but I got it
I would have gotten all the melee I would have missed any I think I used some ranged on it
but I'm just rescuing forward and it's true hopefully
You
You
You
You
Hello, everybody, and welcome back from the Monster Energy Listen In at my name is I. I
am here with Kerms and Jett.
A little impromptu break.
Yeah, a little break.
Yeah, a little break, walked around.
Yeah.
I had to walk around and assess the situation.
Yeah, yeah.
And the situation has been assessed and we're, we're, you know, we're going
know we're gonna maintain the break and check the front end check the back end
everything looks good yeah all clear everything is clear yeah I didn't have
the Zenny's for the ocular pad down and that kind of took me even that's why I
was taking a little bit longer yeah I didn't get to do the ocular pad down. You're a little out of breath are you good? You're hustling. Yeah I was hustling around and me and
Shaq yeah Shaq was working the back end that's what he focuses on mostly I do
mostly front end stuff and we took care of it.
That's good.
Yeah.
You all cams, you seem to kind of backtrack a little bit in your emotional journey here.
Are you?
I'm backtracking?
Yeah, I don't know.
Are you okay?
I heard there were people who were saying I was crying too much.
I don't know if it's because of the nerves or because I missed my child.
It's because of your dark cams.
Oh, and that is offensive somehow.
Some people can't handle reality.
Some people can't handle dark mode.
No.
What else are we supposed to do?
I have seen a lot of races.
I've watched a lot of rating and a lot of progression rating.
And people bashing up against some hard stuff.
I know what seems a little too far, maybe a little too easy.
You know, I've got a good gauge at the pace of things.
And this is a slow one.
We have 259 poles in and kind of barely scratching
the surface of this fight.
I don't think we're really even going to know what we're
in for until we see in range and then see how much damage
need to do and I don't think that their people, well I don't even actually know what people
think about the Spawts anymore. I've kind of lost it. Everyone is just like, well this
boss is hard, maybe resettle help. Okay, well that didn't help. Maybe the nerf will
help. Okay, that may be helped. They did CP3. They did get further.
I was big on the Gear Plus nerf train. It was almost obvious that it was going
to get nerfed. Though I was kind of surprised they only did so much. They were like,
So let's just nerf P2, but clearly, you know, we're at a point where probably the whole
fight needs to get nerfed somehow.
And one of the annoying things, I mean, ADD and BOSS HP nerf are the big ones for me
that I think could happen, but there's stuff that just cannot be nerfed that makes us
fight so hard, like the Vipers.
You can't really nerf those, that's because they are the fight.
The eggs, the way that mechanic works, it can't, on, you know, somewhere down the line when
Hall of Fame is filled and stuff like that, they can nerf the vipers to be an annoyance
rather than just a wipe, but if they did that right now, this fight would just fall apart.
I don't think they're ever going to nerf like, oh, looks like a situation has been
resolved, and you're probably going to see a pull soon.
Okay.
But anyway, like I think, you know, they're not gonna nerf any mechanics. I think I think a
boss HP nerf is really what's needed. I don't know if anything else needs to be there. Maybe
Let me know it's hard to say without seeing all p3
Yeah, right now I'm thinking like the only thing that needs to be nerfed is boss HP and then we'll see as things go on
Yeah, but I would just not put it past
Some of the mathematicians over there blizzard right now to have something with these serpent lights were all 20
Players need to be inside of them for like some amount of time that is very hard to like keep up time while y'all dodging waves
You know, yeah
The circle is gonna go one way you're gonna step out of it and maybe miss a tick
And I'll all of a sudden you blow a pole that way wouldn't be shocked that there's some crazy stuff like that
Well, I fully expect that to be honest because the heroic is almost like that anyway
Which is why it's like so punishing for a heroic boss. Yeah, if you mess up the
heroic
What's it called the southern fight serpent bite? Yeah, like you will like instantly
Like you know for her I guess crazy is why it's such a hard fight
So I was like, okay. Well, of course like that the mythic must be like fully like you must do it perfectly
I think that's okay. I
Think again like how perfect is perfect like everybody does this so no one loses up time on the soaking
Yeah, that's gonna be very tough in reality.
Yeah, I think honestly I think it's easier than some of the what's going on here on our screen, which is the
Holding the eggs and making sure you hit the hip-high waves. I feel like it's
Pretty tough, but I think
It's gonna be tough in that it's so late in the fight and you only get there so often and then it's just another
Yeah
Insta white barrier that's there. Yeah, but I think the thing is is that those line up of mechanics
I think it's like
The whole group together deals with it
So like they can solve it together
Whereas mechanics like this in phase one is like every person kind of has their own like failure point because of where they're
Specifically standing and like when they're specifically picking up eggs and stuff like that
So then it turns into like everyone's doing kind of musical chairs and taking turns like messing up the mechanic
They're going back and like you know looking at what they need to do
But the Venom soaks are interesting because it's like the whole raid is doing the mechanic
They're all in specific groups, right? There's a melee group a healer group and a range crew
So when something goes wrong
Everybody can review the same material and be like, okay
This is what we need to do here like we all need to be on the same page about it
So I think that prog for that is not going to be as bad as, like, look, like, you know, we're 250 pulls in, like it,
we're still having, like, these pulls where someone gets hit by a wave and then someone summons a viper.
So I'm not, I'm a little bit more optimistic on the Serpent's Bites for that reason.
reason. Okay I'm just kind of thinking of it is like how many attempts are they
gonna lose to trying to figure out the perfect way to do the serpent spike and
then how many attempts does it take to get that many attempts at p3? Yeah I
think the answer to that is like a decent bit for the first part but I
think it'll be hard-ish to mess it up later on you know I think the hard
third part is really what comes after, which is the spread into the waves, that's a crazy
mechanic.
I think that's the thing I'm most afraid of right now.
I mean there's just all these different overlaps of P3 that we're not even seeing.
Yeah, we haven't seen it yet.
We're not even seeing P3 start.
Like technically, yes, we're seeing the first mechanics come out and then there's
wiping.
And then they got to do it with less space, they got to do it with waves coming
in.
the lines that come out of there, like toxic circles,
learning the spreading, just the damage people take
when the circles go off is a lot.
John, that's what it really is when we use, I'd like,
if I gave people 20 dice, I'd have them roll it,
told you not to not to roll a six.
Some people would be rolling a six.
Yes, just in like someone is gonna mess it up every time.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
If you gave 20 people 20 dice.
I'll have to trust him on the math.
I'll see what he's going through.
No, I get it.
But then there's the wrench and P3 for there.
And this is all in the world where the DPS check is like doable.
That was bad. I'm sorry.
Yeah.
Personally, also, I have a hard time seeing how people die.
I'm like, wait, what happened?
It is tough. Yeah, it's tough.
Especially because like you don't instantly wipe from the Vipercron.
But you know, it's coming, so it's kind of like, it kind of takes away from like you caring about the rest of the pole.
You're like, oh, you know, everybody's got a rotten egg on their ray frame, so like, we don't have to care anymore.
I think in like other fights, instant ray-wide mechanics, everybody's just instantly dead, just moving on to the next pole.
Yeah, I thought like a bit of a more of a like a morale boost like oh you can kind of keep it going
Practice a little bit, but you feel like it's have the opposite of it
Like for these players they can keep going a little bit they can lost and see a bit further, but there's kind of
The information of the practice they get out of it at this point like in the past
You know yesterday or the day before is maybe helpful to kind of push a little further
But I think it's mostly done as a way that this is more kind of soft and
preferable than the lure of crystals, which no matter what you did to the damage
you lose a crystal, I mean the fights just over anyways. It's the way the mechanics work
and having to take the crystals with you to the end. So this felt like we'll make it
punishing if you are holding the item and you get hit by a mechanic, but we
won't make it wipe you so that way when like lesser guilds are you know like
lower down the ranks you can just nerf the dot nerf the viper and it's an
annoyance rather than just like an insta-wipe so it's kind of more scalable
yeah I feel like if you want to make the fight hard for these players you kind of
need to make it it's kind of like I think the fact that the debuff is an
hour long on mythic when it's like 20 seconds long on heroic from the viper
is like that's proof to me that they want like are just going to you know when
they nerf the boss so bet that debuff goes down to 20 like right yeah I mean I
think right now it could be 60 seconds still be a wife in a lot of scenarios
but you could pop a lust and a battle reds and make it recoverable and I think
that would still be super punishing but like not I don't think it would make
fight stupid easy yeah I think it would still be very very hard but then you
could actually kind of like game around some of the stuff rather than it just
being game over but they have managed to make it without cracking an egg and
getting a viper to this current phase so we get a nice key to as long as
everybody wants to swirl them in the feet the Rollins are dead they can
enrage we did not pop the lust here we did some of that earlier today but
they're gonna be using it if something goes wrong probably in p2 and they need to catch up on damage
but if everything goes well in p2 it is the burn coming out of face 2 that they've moved the lusk
to just to deal with those yeah the dread scale how long was our break how long oh i don't know
we've been at the timer is it 30 minutes i want a 30 minute break it was a while i feel like i feel
like 30 is too much but maybe it was i don't know you know what maybe it's what they needed
Yeah, sometimes you know
It's good to it's good to have that but uh, yeah, we got a nice little pole going here
Really, we don't know if it's anything's in the clear until uh, you know
We don't know if we're good until we're good. That's the problem with his face watching it. It's kind of hard to tell
Yeah, oh
lip going down is not good. Yeah, look one down during that little tether
There is yeah, we got a markup the enrage of the phase is on the right and those boss frames as a cast
We got a lot of traffic emergency traffic emergency the doomskills come out enraged and just a we stun the race
Yeah, everybody's so low that that the eggs use so much damage
Is that which what's kicking on them and holding the we got a viper also, so we didn't make the timer on one of the eggs
So that's where they died with their man
yeah yeah yeah two people are dead and maybe it could have been a collision
again yeah it is it is really tough to figure out like exactly what happened
other than egg mishap yeah either they didn't meet the egg timer or there was a
collision just face that they give you and he's always disrespectful yeah
especially with this mythic spread part yeah and then you get these little
circles no room and your camera can't really go any way but the way
that we've got it right now.
I think it's all funky, you know.
Can it go out like kind of over the venom?
Or there's kind of invisible walls?
I don't know.
I mean, it looks like it kind of has a little bit over there.
It kind of has a bit, but I just don't know if it's
horizontally connected.
I feel like you're just forced to do, like, bird's-eye view.
So you're doing all that.
Yeah, it's going to get all weird and clippy
when you go in that little archway thing, too.
And you really need to see, right?
That's like one of the most pivotal moments,
that make sure you're not bumping into anybody else or you're doomed the funnel
exactly yeah so it's really mechanically demanding over in the hallways there yeah
it's weird because that phase is like so simple on paper yeah over here and put
the eggs in the middle yeah but it's just tough yeah even with the nerf to the
tether dot like I don't know what it was to kill people there but I mean
The tether probably still hits really hard.
Did they make changes to the break?
Are they still doing one and then five?
I thought they were doing like three and three.
Okay.
But I don't know, they did one and five there.
I think that's still a good strat.
Yeah.
It was really effective even before the nerf.
You know, now they can do it without lust.
So I feel like there's nothing wrong with doing it that way still.
Yeah, true.
And I think they can beat the Warden
while
without lust. They can beat the Warden second cast of tethers without lust.
So I think that, you know, I think it's still a good strat.
I think it's a good way about to approach the tethers.
We got a hunter. We're going to have to pull it off as a really quick one.
Does it goop? Does it goop back?
This means...
Turn it last minute.
Huh?
Get you through both. There it goes.
I hope they cancel the timer.
I bet they're trying to make up for some lost time.
Yeah.
I mean, you either just machine gun poles or sit and talk about what went wrong.
Yeah.
But I think they need to start going on the machine gun pole angle here soon.
Yeah.
One.
Because they've seen, hopefully, basically every scenario that can happen to people
in phase one and phase two and at this point what needs to be said if somebody gets hit
by a wave or collides in phase two with their eggs it's like let's just go again and like
we need if we're going to take long strap breaks we need something new something novel
to kind of figure out which is very deep into the fight or you know like the intermission
get there a few times and then go this problem keeps happening maybe kind of take breaks
to fix that but for phase one I maybe changes because we're doing these
retches could be talked about but other than that you know they've been doing a
very similar thing for hundreds of poles
at this point I think you just gotta be pulling
what do you guys feel like Tom phase is gonna look like? Oh very hard. It's gonna look hard I
i feel this would look very similar to rohawk except with like
a little a few more ads
a few more ads
a few more ads, few more waves
a lot of asian bosses
start to say man, you see p3 really it's kinda
i'll remind you this game is 16
you've cracked your bank
yeah i did crack
are you one of the people that can like do it again and again or is that just a
no it needs to cook
Okay, yeah.
He's a good guy.
I don't know what goes on inside the joints, but it needs to recharge.
It's not cool down.
And Franck was wearing it.
You might be wearing it today too, but he's wearing shoes the other day that sound like
these popping.
And you're sitting and having lunch or something, he gets up, walks away.
It just sounds like Edward's showing in his body.
He's cracking it.
Like, are you okay?
He's like, no, it's shoes.
Steve Olden failed Franck.
Yeah, he is, yeah.
It could have been an excuse.
He is an old man.
Yeah, he is, you know. Could have just been an excuse.
He is an old guy.
Yeah, he's an uncle.
He is a pretty old dude.
Yeah.
That's why he forgot to count his down properly yesterday.
No.
Kind of debated us a little bit.
Yeah.
You know, sometimes the mind is not very quick when you get that age.
Ooh, that was close.
That was very close.
The egg coming in at the end.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, it's like they kind of need to make a little bit of room.
But I see no fire for Keybox.
Yeah, I think they survived it.
Is that a solid? Is this a good escape back to back?
Yeah, there we go.
Goop may be potentially grieving his raid by being over there.
Actually, he's in a good spot. He's in a good spot.
He started walking into the mails again.
Get away from there.
Yeah.
Careful.
Careful.
These waves sometimes are like really easy, and then they come all at once.
They sneak up on you.
They do, yeah.
You'd think they'd be easy.
Like, looking at it, you'd be like, ah, excuse me.
That's easy. Like they come in a pattern. It's super obvious which direction they're going.
But also you're not doing your rotation right now.
Exactly.
Which takes away a lot of your brain power.
You can forget.
And also just staring at this boss for this amount of days.
Doing this race for this long.
Yeah.
The sanity has started to shift away.
You think they, you know when you stare at one color every time and then you look elsewhere and everything's like the opposite.
I wonder if they have that problem when they get up from their computers.
Everything's like, with the opposite career of the colonel.
So we asked him.
Some sort of a purple?
Some sort of a pink?
Yeah, like purple, right?
Is it purple?
How do I get to pink?
It's alright.
It's alright.
Oh, we got a little fired up down.
Fired up now.
Get him up. He's up now.
the big run, the big run, everybody gets hit really hard by the eggs out, yowch, yowch.
Yeah, this is like a pinkish green green is red, but this like kind of venomous of
this green is like a little yellowish green, yeah, skews a bit more towards purple.
We just have about 10 seconds to finish this phase and pick up the eggs.
They're doing some of them already.
That's nice to see.
The others probably across the room.
They're sending squad like Johnny to get them.
They've been picked up.
Now we just need no collisions, please.
Then we will be back for list.
Do we have a cracked egg?
I don't see one.
So yes, we're good.
We have three, get three, get four.
Okay, okay, we're good.
This is perfect. They still have the blood lust to use on these guys once they get to the middle of the boss comes up
We are we holding wins the new hole. I think this can be a hole. I think it's gonna be a hole
This is gonna be a whole platform. Hold you just got hope after this
This burn here. They do the intermission properly. Yes, the intermission is very tough
It is hard to kill all the eggs pick them up and get them into slams all while doing the slams
You can see it's hard to tell what no he is targeting
we can do in scale. So they're not even targeting the heart at this point. The last thing in killing
these adds. Yeah, there's one CP3. They just want to see P3. We want to see the second platform so badly.
I don't even know how YP sees anything in this corner. Okay. Is the tank privilege?
Now they just need to get to this animation with no vipers and we're set up for a good P3.
But that's not easy to do. You have to kill all of these shields,
Pick the eggs up and then get them into these little tentacle slams that hopeful standing in right now
They don't have shields down so he's going to do it eggless
Oh, he's got some little arrow that's pointing to his next soak
Which is moon, but it's pointing somewhere else. Maybe that's out of the soak
It is if you're center if you're center of the room it tells you like it points to where you're going
Okay, oh
He died
Well, there are any Viper debuffs.
No Viper debuff.
No Viper debuff.
We did it.
Pick that.
Maybe they'll pop right here.
I'll probably smile a little too much this fall.
That's why he's dead.
Too happy.
I don't even see what killed him.
We have no Viper, so they should be LCP-3 unless they
literally need Hopeful for the Serpent Bite Soap.
Which we hope not.
I mean, if it's that brutal, then kill me now.
But we will have to see.
I believe he's in the back left one.
I don't think they're gonna stand here together that didn't work last time. We need to grip all of these little slimes
The eggs can be gripped on mythic
On my umbrella. Okay. It looks like they're all in there. No mishaps
Should get the circumfights here. Hey, we got the melee. Are we still going in for double-soaked? Okay. Oh, maybe they
Figured some other math if they do this, right, they shouldn't instantly die. We'll see some people they might instantly die
They might instantly die here
No, I think they're gonna instantly die. They haven't cleared
So yeah, I see people on the outside. Oh, okay
Interesting
Ray to get spreads, but it actually doesn't seem like the whole ray gets Fred
No, it was only people with the in the serpent bikes that a lot of people outside of them
So I don't know what's going on. Oh, they figured something out
So this is kind of
Bipers from the other set of ads. Okay, so this is one gets what I wanted to know
This is when the rest spawns yeah response after the first platform breaking. Okay, they're intercepting. They're doing a good job to keep this going
Okay, so that wow this is the actually the most amount of people you've ever seen yeah
They just need to kind of run the dives from the vipers out. It's just gonna it's gonna pick people up on it
But that's fine. We're gonna get the next set of serpent bites. They're not gonna be able to say they're gonna get the shirt
Okay, so the serpent by and that bubble need to be done at the same time probably in some sort of
overlapping thing but yes that was a great pull.
Wow, nice job.
Fantastic job.
They needed that break, I guess.
And it's just in time for dinner too.
I wonder if they look like they're going to go down.
They've got a lot to talk about.
I don't know what our break split has been.
No, either.
Fast couple of days, but I know we had our record
of like a little 20 minutes and 40 seconds for a while.
Also, I've got good news.
Do you guys see what Atlas was holding?
Oh, Atlas is here now.
His boss baked us brownies.
Yeah, I'm going to I feel like it's not enough for everybody to kill
they sell. I'll let them I'll let the readers get some of them very kindly
have it themselves. Yes.
All right, we're going to look at a replay. Yes, because that best
poll. That's a fantastic poll. Yeah.
Okay, here we're going into phase three.
I was just very confused on how these serpent flights worked because I tried stacking two-thirds
of the raid inside the double stack last time and it wasn't enough to get it off in
time and then I was just seeing Lil Paddle on on the side, Trill on the left, Warwind
and Aranda.
I don't know like how they were able to suck it all off.
Now this is something I was talking about in one of the shifts when it was me and
titles and Alice I think there's got to be some type of intricacy to the soaking
that's not immediately apparent in the UI. Can we roll back a little there's a
little trick to doing with that back they're not risking it again they did a
double grip and the DJ is just like running. Yeah you can see Trill, Nutri,
Lupadallon they're all not soaking. Yeah we can see like that whole the
whole Healer group is not soaking either. Yeah which makes them get less
circles. Yeah, so double soak major circle one two three four
five six seven eight nine. So we have the raid right one two
three four five six seven eight with like eight people with
debuffs. And it looked like I'm not sure that the people who
were in the double stack because it makes the like
explosion circle thing hurt more the more serpent bite you
take. I think they were on immunities because it was I saw
KSB lip habit, they round up to the side, so they may have immune the actual explosion.
Oh, okay. So, yeah, because it scales with like how much of the soaking you actually do.
Yeah, this could also just be a not perma-strat. This is a progression strat where you're like,
just sack some people, use immunities, and just get a little further. So this overlap here
looks crazy because they have the serpent bites while they need to be underneath the
bubble for the wrench and there's no way they're killing that wrench before that
yeah and there's no way that they're gonna be outside of a bubble I don't
think yeah I mean I think that yeah I wonder exactly like how those surface
bites work like can you offset them it seemed like there was a big leeway to
like actually get them done yeah and I want to know like how long it takes
4 calcified to go off. How quickly can you do the drain on them before it kills them? How much time you have to do that?
I feel like you could do a lot of finicky things in terms of offsetting the time that the expulsions happen, or things like that.
I'm sure they did the math, so they probably have it figured out at this point, but I like the idea that they just have immunities double soak.
double-soaked. Yeah, that's what they're doing the last platform.
They're gonna get one per platform set, right? Yeah, but I'm just saying if they were to
save immunities for a set it's gonna be the last one because then that's saved so much
space. That's right, that makes the most sense. But I think they're just doing it
there to one, see if that actually works. Yeah. And two, to make that part of the
find easier so they can see a little further.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes total sense.
Can I read a really wholesome comment from Chad?
Sure.
You guys in Liquid are the most awesome group of people
when I'm here.
I don't feel depressed anymore, and it's
like I'm part of the world, so thanks, everyone.
Oh.
Isn't that nice?
I appreciate that.
Yeah, thanks, Chad.
Switch to a POV that is targeting the boss
so we can depress them with the amount of health it has.
Don't do that.
No, actually, you know what?
Even though that might be depressing,
as long as we all suffer together, it's not so bad.
Yeah, we're trauma bonding with Chad right now, really.
Well, it does look like they are going to be taking a little bit of a break.
There's a 34 minute dinner timer.
So I think that's, honestly, a tremendous time to go to dinner.
Really, really good time.
They've had a couple of those where they have like the really good pull
right before they have to go to dinner break or lunch break.
and how they're going to kind of discuss how they're going to
the reactions to that and how they're going to move forward.
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure in some ways it's not so good for the
analysts because it means they can't they can't have dinner.
They got to look at what's going on.
They got to analyze the tapes, analyze the logs.
So they're like, oh man, they had a really good pull right
before dinner.
Ah, your tummy's grumbling.
Yeah.
There's go.
Yeah, that would, that would not be fun.
I'm glad I don't have that job.
I'm glad I don't have to work while I hear people eating.
Yeah.
Just kidding. We're here to entertain you guys.
So in the meantime, let's know how you feel about how kind of everything is going.
It was really cool to be able to see just that really deep push right there into P3.
And in the meantime, do you want to make a mention of our charity?
I think we'll be hopefully looking at some trance mobs, maybe in the meantime.
Get some of those like 30 minutes of trance mobs.
Yeah, we've got a lot of time, or I think, unfortunately,
Zyra left us no games.
I think he's gone through all of them.
Well certainly he didn't do the plant one, I'm sure he didn't do that.
You don't think he cares about that one?
Oh hey guys.
Oh my gosh, you scared me.
What's going on?
Hey, how's it going?
I got a copy walking in here.
We did, yeah.
How you doing?
That was walking by.
Oh yeah, oh, interview, interview.
We got a five man desk right now.
Oh this is great.
What's up?
What's up?
You notice anything about me that you like?
Well, I think your glasses look fantastic, and I really love this gold smunchbox.
Oh, thank you, but I like these a bit more.
Oh, yeah, sure.
Careful, they're prescription, you know.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
Teach D, put the microphone in the tent. We can't hear him.
Thank you. I can see now. I can always see with my Zenny's. Yeah. I feel that the
Geeslice Zenny, you can get your own. Yeah. With the code RWF. Mm-hmm. And it's up to 25%
off. You were so close to Teddles. So how was like his skincare routine do you think?
Oh, it's pretty good. I think it's up that close with that level of detail that you can see.
Oh, I mean, it's really really good. Yeah, because I can see every poor. Yeah. Yeah
I bet with those any's you could really see what was going on during that long break. Oh, yeah
Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, and guess what? I mean look at that pull
true
Yeah, that's the power is any
That's true. Remind me one more time. Oh, I'll tell the GG size any okay. Yeah, and then you use the code
Yeah, the codes are WF. Okay. Guess what gives you up to 25% off. Oh
My gosh, it worked. That's right. Thank you so much
You saw you saw that pole. I was a master class. It works. Yeah, I mean it only gets
Harder as well
Yeah, we don't need to talk about that. I think it's more calcified. It's chill. Yeah, with my zenny's. Enjoy your dinner
Yeah, goodbye. Bye. Do you guys want to see if he's gonna where you going? Is he gonna go to his special bathroom?
Straight to dinner which direction is he gonna go?
Is he? No, look, he's, wait, he's looking at, he, I don't know what he's doing.
No, he's just doing whatever he wants.
Yeah, he is.
He's, he does, he's, he does as THD wants.
But in the meantime, we can also take a look at our peril for the Team Liquid
race growth first.
Tilda Gigi slash RWF.
Yeah, I always look over to see if anybody's wearing any of the current
tiers of peril, but that's okay.
We've got a nice handy dandy graphic for exactly this moment.
Tilda Gigi slash RWF.
We've got jerseys.
We've got signed jerseys.
We've got mouse pads.
We've got signed mouse pads.
We've got the DERP stuff returning as well, along with some oversized hoodies.
I think it's called oversized acid watches.
Wash is the actual name on that.
So it's a nice relaxed fit, but oh, you're holding the signed mouse pad right here.
Dad, right?
Yeah.
This one, I have the one from both of the Incarnates right now.
Oh, yeah.
That's a good one.
But this one is really sick.
The really beast.
Dude, it's got like stitching on the side of it.
I never noticed that, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like finished look the edge of it. That looks really good. It looks really nice. It's pretty. It's a pretty sweet deal
Yeah, I think that's my favorite mouse pod. They've ever made
Yeah, honest. Yeah, I like it a lot. Yeah, that one snag me one for sure
I was gonna say I'm gonna steal one probably whoa hold on. Oh, you've got you can have dibs on that one. That's fine
Well, no, I mean like it. You don't have to steal one. You can just buy them
For a great great deal. Oh
Yeah, apparently Tratton is called that one. He called this one. That's kind of crazy that he did that
That's rude. All right. Yeah. Well, Tilda G.G. Slider to be a few like if you'd like to snag one legally of your own
But you can also get those sign jerseys or sign mouse pads as well
But it's super cool to have the apparel kind of apparel team cook up new stuff every single season
Yeah, yeah, and you've got the trifecta on one. The trifecta on one on
Yeah
Singularity that consumes all. Mmm. That was a good two. It's kind of why 2k
For that that apparel collection. I've got the
It's cold in here do you guys get cold in here?
Yes, but not today. There was one day. I was cold but for the most part it's been okay. It's been pretty climate controlled
So in the movie
Interstellar yeah Matthew McConaughey is a dad with a daughter and he leads on a mission. Yes spoilers. Oh
There's some relativity business going on with gravity.
Yeah, misses his child girl up, and I'm feeling about like that right now.
You are. You rattle off the same line to your life.
Don't leave me, Marv.
Is that for me? You're still there.
You're going to make me cry.
Don't leave me, Marv.
I haven't seen that in a while.
Yeah, she's growing up without me.
Oh, watch with the Gula Tech.
That's where you're going with that.
I was confused as the reference you were making.
OK, that makes way more sense.
Do you feel like maybe this is a stupid question,
but do they get bigger that quickly?
But do you think she'll grow a little bit in like three weeks?
Oh, she's definitely she looks different than when I left.
Does she actually makes?
I looked at pictures and videos that I took before.
Yeah, it makes me pretty sad.
Oh, yeah.
I got sent a picture of my dog and she cast this morning.
That's such a millennial thing.
Yeah.
I mean, oh, I'm sorry that I want pictures of my dog.
and I go, hold on, what about him?
He has a whole human at home.
Well, that's what I mean.
There's like a, the millennial stereotype is like,
that someone's talking about their kids
and I was like, oh yeah, my dog.
That's my dog.
That's fair, that's fair.
Well, we can take a look at some of the pictures of dogs.
Oh my gosh.
Otis and me are on the same wavelength frame.
Oh yeah, Dark Otis right here.
That's cute.
Is this a... an Afghan? What is this? Or is this a Britney Spaniel? What is this?
So cute!
Britney Spaniel? Is that like Britney Spears?
I don't know Britney Spaniel, but like a... they're brown.
Is it named after Britney Spears?
I don't think so. I think it's spelled differently.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I don't know that.
Very cute dog.
Oh!
I think that one.
Oh gosh!
Oh, so cute!
Is that a party hat? Birthday?
I think so!
Oh
How sweet
This is after the boss is dead
That's like 80s hair metal right there
I'm trying to figure out oh
look at that are those legs in the front this guy this guy has Otis is open for
mega death once before yeah beautiful very sweet thank you so much for taking a
picture of your dog
wow he's giving Shaq shit for bringing his stuff he does it all the time why is
He hasn't even finished his breakfast yet, I don't think.
Yeah, he does that.
Shack just like, yeah, takes his food and nibbles.
He grazes.
Nibbles.
He's like a cat.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Do cats graze?
Some of them do.
Like on grass?
No, like the people leave the food bowl out.
You know, I don't want to talk about cats around me, you know, I'm uncomfortable.
She's pulling the stand now, a lot more, she likes to climb over things.
She kind of will stand up and like let go and kind of wobble. So that's where she's getting
So she almost can walk almost. Yeah, I'm almost missing the first steps. Oh, so that's probably making you anxious, too
Yeah, that happened. What was your first word or can't you not not yet? Okay?
I don't know the timeline of children
Of all she knows how to say girl so fast. I would count that reminds me of my dog when I taught it to sit
I wasn't trying to run up any more, no you're not saying that but some people in shout are saying I was one of those people.
No it's such a funny millennial stereotype.
No it, listen, it exists for a reason.
You don't watch it?
Write the transplant.
Alright.
You're hurting my feelings.
Okay, we've got a little druid action going here right?
I'm not a big fan.
of the druid or the ball no the mall air chest is it I can't tell this bear chest
look a gray sure is bear chest okay yeah oh yeah that's furry okay you know moon
can only looks fairly put together fairly well put together but I'm not a
huge fan of the aesthetic okay I'm gonna give it a six out of ten okay a
a little six or a good old seventy six or with a six seven or I'm just doing six.
Yeah.
I I wish I could see it on something besides the working because it just looks
kind of stupid.
I feel like it has to be on something like this for work because I feel like on
another race it would look even worse.
I feel like it would look good on like a night elf maybe like a blue night
health perhaps. Alright, I'm gonna give it a 7 maybe?
A 6 to my, or 6 to a 7? Yeah, you give it a 6 and then I'll give it a 7.
Okay. Yeah.
If you did another 6, it would be the number of the beast.
To work it through.
Well, thank you so much for your submission
What is her ever I've never heard of being like God dude on this boss you should play war again
Or like against six you should play sticks all fours. Okay, true
Oh my gosh, you can go on all fours on that boss. All right, just run around. I stand corrected my bad
Don't ever underestimate getting on all fours.
You're right.
That was a good one.
Yeah.
Hashtag all fours.
Yeah.
In fact.
All right.
We've got another train's one coming up.
I'm ready to be impressed.
You look like you're really expecting something and I feel like lately they have not been
that good.
I am.
They've all been in the range of like six to eight.
Yeah.
I think so too.
I have not given out a nine in a while.
Oh
Okay, you're going for like a real look
Or is that a back piece where does it or be things?
It's kind of cool. I think they're part of the show. Yeah
I think a lot some of this is from
Yeah, it's here that I didn't play much so I can't really give you this is not all just mana forge
Yeah, that's what I mean. I think I didn't play I didn't play much in that season
Yeah, it looks very metaphor to me you're going for like an ethereal transmog, right? So you definitely nailed it
I don't know how you say it. I'm at the real ethereal
No, I don't know. Yeah, I think it's ethereal. Okay. Anyway, I'll breakers lay line nexie are the shoulders. Yeah, you're
This is a good one eight out of ten
No, this is a nine out of ten for me. They're pretty solid set
It's not a full set it's close enough how many pieces isn't that what makes the best yeah, the army
It's hard cuz it's like it doesn't like you have to click on them individually. It's the chest and the pants at least
Okay, only only chest and pants. I think so I'll do I'll do like a
I'll do 7.5, I think.
Is that the same pair?
Brutal?
Well, I'm a 9, so...
9, okay.
I do, the shoulders are really cool.
I wonder what the dropper is on this.
I wanna go get them.
Are you looking at them up?
No, no, no, no.
I'm doing something inscrutable, unknowable.
Something you're...
Ooh.
...mind of me not be able to comprehend.
Okay.
End of time, nice Alienware laptop.
Yeah, it's something a little bit
On a while like
Just know in real life. Oh, like I just have my desktop. You want to like the phone?
Make your plea right here. They might be watching. Oh
Yeah, oh, you're at your moments, come on. We're gonna look at this transmog instead. Wow
Very bloody very blood Elphie
So that that's a warrior helm
mm-hmm from Aberus the shoulders are from the store I believe so as someone
who boycotts the store quite a lot and in fact I boycott it all the time I can't
I can't respect it that much wait I thought you didn't mind store oh the store I
was thinking the trading post no no no no was it the store looks really cool man
I actually can't I don't know if I can like sit here and tell you that looks
I can't I don't know if I can give you crap for using those. It's actually really good. Wow. I'm gonna give it a 10
This is good
Looks like year of the dragon or something. No, this looks sick
This is fantastic. I think it was cool. I actually think it's really good
The I can't tell where the shield from yeah, I actually don't know but it looks really good
I think this is from sepulcher. This is sepulcher seal sepulcher like I think but it's fantastic
a really good set. Wow.
Tens of presets that I might copy and I might copy this one.
Well, we have a memory if you'd like to. Let me see what the shield, the shield is.
Yeah, sepulchre savior savior.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I'm guessing the one hander is from like the
maybe that's like the world, the world content weapon from
Zerla caverns.
Eritor Swift Remembrance.
Oh, OK, it's from this expansion.
Oh, is this a do you get this from like the end of this current campaign? Is that where you get it from?
Yeah, this looks yeah chat saying quest sword. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, this is great
This is a really good set. I like it a lot. Okay great job
As well
I'll give it a 9.5. Yeah, this is very cool almost a perfect score
Yeah, I'm like one of those math teachers. They're like teachers at your high school. They didn't want to quite give away a
Full a full a you know, and how did you feel about those teachers?
So have
You're like why so you're gonna continue the cycle then instead of you know, you're right. It's a 10. It's a 10
I'm sorry. I got a feeling from I'm breaking
Trauma that you just didn't know is walking exactly
Transmog really just we learned things about ourselves. Yeah, looking at great art. Well, thank you everyone for submitting your transmog
We will get to yours if we didn't see it. No worries
So let you do slash donate if you'd like to submit yours with a link to your armory plus $30
The raiders are still on a dinner break. They've got about 17 minutes
Which you can see down here on your screen, but in the meantime, Jed, you've got a radar. I a recap for us
Yeah, I'll be taking the
Taking the wheel sometimes a lot Jesus take the wheel, but this time I'm taking the wheel
on the Raider I.O. update.
Alright, so let's talk, you know, EU Reset Echo.
They started their Reset.
We all know they did an absolutely fantastic job.
They got a lot of loot.
They did about nine heroic low tech splits
and four mythic numerous splits.
They got a lot of the stuff that they were looking for.
And they did their reclear in about
a little under three and a half hours.
I think they one shot everything except Cizerak
except Cizerak and Twinfangs, which took about two pulls.
Oh, they're re-clear, but not like their Rulitec or Oaks.
No, no, no, no, this is their mythic re-clear.
This is their mythic re-clear.
They worked on Rulitec for the rest of their night
after their Swift re-clear.
They took, you know, at the end of last week's prog,
they had a red palli in, and they replaced it
with the second MM Hunter.
They reversed that.
Now they have the second MM Hunter in.
They gained about five item levels from their re-clear,
from 321 to around 326.
I
Hello, hello everybody. Good morning. Welcome to the Team Liquid Race 1st. My name is I.
I'm here with drop nose and turtles. Woo.
It's kill day.
It's kill day.
killed a everybody's have in. It's about to be a day packed full of action. That's
right. It either dies or we die. That's the day today. That's right. Yes, I am feeling
that I'm feeling energy. A lot of people are coming in. They're excited. They got
a little pep in their steps, especially THD. We talked to him quite a bit this
morning. Titles, but but let's talk about kind of the state of everything
that's going on right now. So last night, how did how did last night go
before they went to bed? So last night was actually pretty interesting. The
boss health has not moved for a while it was stuck at 60% where nobody was really making
serious progression into phase three then about I would say like 9pm last night liquid determined
that the best strategy for the venom in phase three was actually to just double stack up
those like red circles and shoot out way fewer waves going into p3 where originally we thought
that the platform was going to be cluttered with so many people that were soaking a bunch
of the venom and it was going to be very difficult as it turns out though that strategy
was not only effective but it was the best strategy because now we have woken up and echo is
instead of double stacking the venom debuff what if we triple stack them and instead of
instead of standing on the platform at the end what if we just jump in took a little hang out in
the jacuzzi a bit of a bath you gotta do some healing but you can't get hit by most of the
things that are you know trying to make you dodge on the platform so we initially thought that
phase three because of how hard it is on heroic was going to be by far the hardest phase of
of this fight, but now it seems like phase three is actually quite a bit easier than everybody
originally anticipated. Now, the difficult points are still going to be the points that
are super difficult, right? It's phase one, it's not spawning a viper, it's carrying
all 14 eggs. It's that actually that intermission coming after phase two. I think that that
is also something that causes a lot of problems. Consistency is going to be keyed
today because I feel like phase three, if you get enough attempts at it, should
be able to down the boss quickly. Also, before we do get too lost in the sauce,
want to give a tremendous shout out to our incredible sponsors for making the
team liquid racer world first possible Alienware with AMD, Blacklight, Monster
Energy, Zenny, Hollyland, Votee, Raerio, Wowhead and Warcraft logs and of course
UNICEF our charity partner looks like Max is still muted 13 minutes so we
should be getting a poll soon here hopefully. How do we end up here every
single year? Well, I was enjoying a nice sleep and then somebody came and
knocked on my door and said you guys have to wake up. Sorry. Echo got sub
5% you guys have to wake up and get in there and start pulling and so one of
those like chatters of us that was no the whole hotel there was the whole
around were right so that's how we're here otherwise we would have just kept
sleeping but yeah that's what woke us up THD actually talked I was talking to
him a little bit this morning he told me that he was very nervous about the
kill today yes yeah he said the vibes were bad and he was nervous he was
really nervous that's that's not good that's not very promising yeah no comment on the at the tone of
those comments it seems like I mean I I don't think THD is representative of all of the Raiders of
course but that dude specifically I think is uh just kind of ready for he wants to go home yeah he's
uh he is ready to be out of here this has definitely been one of the weirdest races to
world first ever no no matter what the finish is about to be this is about to be an incredibly
close finish. But I think that the impromptu heroic week into the third reset into just everything
that this race represents. And the end boss having such an inverted difficulty curve where P1 is so
hard, the second phase even harder, the intermission also quite hard. And then the last phase is,
in a lot of ways, easier than heroic. You can grip the eggs instead of having to go and,
you know, focus them down far away. You can just stack and not do many of the soaks,
and you could just jump off and dodge a lot of the damage at the end.
It is a lot of the mechanics that you had to do on Heroic
you don't have to actually interact with on Mythic.
Fronk asked me if I thought that they were going to hot fix the water.
Like would Blizzard panic hot fix the water to actually damage?
I think at this point, if this had been a week and a half ago,
I think they definitely would have.
But I think at this point Blizzard will not do anything to make this boss any harder.
I think they would like this to be over as much as we would.
Not to sidetrack us a little bit, but it is really odd
and uncharacteristic of World of Warcraft for this poison
and to just be able to just be jumped into like that.
You just don't instantly die.
Like it does do damage, but it's long enough
that we're seeing it built into our strategy.
I think that goes-
It's supposed to be like this cool enrage thing
where you jump off the platform on the final platform break
and you're supposed to get a couple of seconds
in the water to be able to de-guess the boss.
Yeah.
The problem is that it just severely lacks lethality.
Yeah.
The water, like the water itself doesn't get enraged.
So they wanted to be sort of a soft enrage
that you like, you jump, like you have no choice
but to be in there?
Yeah, the boss still casts the rage afterward.
like the, it still does the enrage at the end too,
and that's what actually kills you.
But yeah, the Venom definitely just,
I don't know, it just does less damage
than the stuff you're dodging by jumping into it.
I remember the first time I did it, I fell into it
and I was like, oh, I'm dead,
but I sat there trying to jump back onto the platform
for like a good 30 seconds.
I think this should have been like a,
kind of understood whenever we saw twin fangs
and like the tanks just like bathing in the water.
You're just like, wait, what,
how are they just like standing in the water?
There is jewelry that reduces your damage taken from it by 7% so maybe they've just got a lot of that equipped
Oh, that's it
You know that extra line of text on the ring. Let's see how that's that is this damage, so
We could have we could have learned we should have read those more carefully
Does the coil dials like
Font thing that you put the points into does one of those reduce the damage that you take from the water
No, unfortunately, no
That would be good though be a nice trick the question for you
Dranos. Yeah, I don't see your guild in the top 10. What's going on with that? No, we're getting owned. We
Out of the top 10
nothing to do
It's over. It's over. We have to give up immediately. Yeah, I think you should by the way the fact that no other guild has killed
Coiled altar. Yeah insane that is yeah, and and we've got our look at that
713 polls am I reading that correctly from hop-hop hero
I can't read that far because they were about that yesterday I wonder if they I think there's probably is re clear time now because that there
Reads out 12 hours ago. That's good point. So a lot of farming to be done for them. How's it going for you titles?
What's your guild up to?
Well, we got farmed by scissor rack a little bit, but now we're pulling
Twin fangs going to attempt to be able to take that boss down world first no protection paladin. That's good. Sounds fun
All right, well, we are still waiting on our first pull of the morning.
Maybe we can talk about some of the things that we should be expecting from the first couple pulls from the day here.
Yeah, I think the focus is on just getting to that last phase with everybody alive.
If you can do that a couple of times, I think they think the damage check is not going to be too insurmountable.
We've seen Echo get there on that 3.6% with they had a couple of deaths throughout P3,
but the damage it's not the level of like the first time we wiped the enrage
it's at 20% like Lurep before right it's much more like okay if we can get there
if we can optimize a little bit we aren't gonna need to scrape the bottom of
the barrel for every single DPS optimization we aren't gonna need to go
back and change anything further we just got to get there with everybody
alive and doing pretty good damage and we don't need to have everything be
absolutely perfect on optimization to kill this boss it's mostly like a
movement check and less of a damage check.
It is worth noting that Ekko found a way to bring in a second Arms Warrior, so that is
pretty good at the boss damage.
What did they drop?
They did a little shuffle where they dropped the Holy Priest and they brought in a Rester
Shaman.
So they changed their Healer Core there and that gave them the space to drop the
Ellie Shaman for the Arms Warrior.
So they still have all their buffs.
But yeah, you can see about 50, 60 pulls ago, they made this big swap here, which
the Hunter ones you can kind of ignore, that's Hunter's changing specs, but
yeah, this was the big one.
Priest to Resta Shaman and Ellie Shaman to Arms Warrior. It doesn't look like
Liquid are making any comp changes, though. We are happy with what we've got.
Bringing in a new player, 300, is insane. I do think that the fact that he's an
Arms Warrior probably allows him to not have to carry an egg ever, which is nice.
I think that that kind of removes some of the potential wipe cases that
could happen. But was that like Ellie Shaman was still not carrying an egg?
Is that real like well L.A. Shaman's are some of the leaf like they can't play void elf, right?
They don't have a blink of any kind
So as far as range to go there among the most
It's like that's like on the right. Yeah, moonkins have a little bit more like
Mobility buttons that they can use right, but it is also a hard spec for sure on this encounter
All right, we've got a monster energy channel and chat, you know what time it is. Oh
Little monster can ASMR
See if I can get it open this morning
It's covered in condensation. I have long nails. Try it out.
Okay, so you're just gonna do the ASMR tapping. I feel like if you do that though, that like removes the
the carbonation, right? Yeah, I just wanted to
Nice. Yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you so much. Yeah, I don't want to ruin my manicure, you know, nor I yeah
I'll describe you as a manicure. I grabbed the American one this morning because North America
That's right. It's what the heck is a kilometer. Cheers. That's that's the famous coffee pasta. Cheers
You skip me. Okay. There we go. It's good. All right. Everybody happy monster. Yep. I
Feel like today
The energy is gonna be high right we know it's killed it is today or not at all. It does or I die
I've seen titles that rub his hands together like excited little cricket at least 20 times this morning already
Here's the thing this is what we watched the race world first for it is watch
The best skills in the world fighting the hardest bosses of all time
And trying to figure out what is the best strategy involved to be able to kill it and right now
We have echo at 3.6% liquid are about to begin pulls
I think that there is a chance that they take huge
Percents off the boss rather quickly
It's really going to be about getting all 20 players alive into phase 3 and then I think that
Liquid gonna have the strategy to be able to take down the boss quickly
Yeah, I mean I would not be surprised if we only need three five bowls
That's not so if we can get there with everybody alive
That's going to be the hard part right is keeping P1 keeping P2 consistent. Yes. We have 300 bulls on this boss
No, that phase is still really hard right? It's almost the by far the hardest part of the fight
It's just those first five minutes where you are dodging waves in P1
Making sure that you're not spawning any of those vipers and then doing the P2
Dance it there's a little bit of
Nuance with like the P3 damage allocation
Yeah
putting enough damage into the shriekers, putting enough damage into the slimes, making
sure that you actually get everything killed off in time. But I think that that's the easy
part. That damage balance is like the easy part. Phase three is 10 pulls max with 20
players alive. It is like, if you gave them a couple pulls in a row, starting in P3 with
20 players alive at a good boss percent, it would die.
Yeah.
Do you feel like they pre-nerfed it a little bit? Like a little cheeky pre-nerf? Like
this is a little long. We're going to just, uh...
I don't think so.
I think that there's a little bit of unintended strategies going on like first off taking a
bath and then I think triple stack in the venom yeah those are how those mechanics are intended
to be done that makes sense so then perhaps instead of like once they saw that the incident
for a long ago they just were like we're just not gonna hot fakes it like yeah we've
been here long enough yeah yeah well because this is one day shorter than sepulcher right
right this point yeah it's the sepulcher still still feel longer for you guys yeah
Sepulchre also had a real heroic week before that this summer counting the fake heroic week as part of our 17 days
So I my narrative ever since has been oh that'll never happen again
Yeah, and I mean it is a different texture than that, but yeah. Yeah, it is it is the most similar
Four in bosses worth it like they would have four like in boss difficulty encounters in that way that was ridiculous
Yeah, I mean, which one would you guys prefer supper? Yeah, supple girl. Yeah
Supple girl had a laundress great fight true and doing great fight Raghavan great fight. Yeah, Jaylor not everybody loved
I quite like Jaylor, but I don't even want to say that is a great fight
I trust dread exists. I don't think it was a great fight. Don't get me wrong
But that's three great fights that it's hard to describe those three at least
Halondra's and doing and Raghavan is anything other than bangers here in the venom is abyss
like the music's good.
Sepulcher was an iconic raid for a lot of reasons and the Vinnimus Abyss will be, yeah,
Dranas and I will discuss the Vinnimus Abyss, whatever we're bringing up.
I think there's some cautionary tales here, I think there's a lot we can learn from
this one.
That's some of the kinder things I could say about this one because like, I mean even
just the end boss here, it's just adds, adds, difficulty in P1, easy P3, I feel
like that's like the least satisfying way you can have an end boss be right yeah so
right now you see that the guilds comms are muted I think that this makes sense
they're basically rewriting kind of the strategy for phase three so that whenever
they make it there they can have an opportunity to actually see to the end
of that phase again yeah we've discussed how whenever Echo saw to the end of
the phase phase three does look pretty easily doable you're gonna have to be
able to get all 20 players there and if you get all 20 players there with
multiple battle res is two battle res that's a really big deal because it's
pretty easy to lose one or two people just to that venom dot and we know that
they've got strategies right that they've been cooking up for this phase
in fact we heard them talking about on stream yesterday of there being things
that they had come up with that they didn't want to show last night because
they were about to go to bed right now today this morning they have the best
combination of their ideas and also what they've seen echo do so they have to
decide which of those they actually want to implement they have to assign
which people are going to go where in p3 look at the kind of run-through
probably watch through the VOD of echoes low spool and talk about how
They were gonna do the same thing but better and then start pulling there's a lot of pressure on our end right like we're watching it
We're like oh my goodness echo or at 3% and pulling they got to get in there
They got a pull we got to remember that's not the best way to kill this boss
You there's not a boss much as we talk about p3 being easy. It's not bad
It's still a very hard phase compared to almost everything else you can do in this game
And they really need to make sure that they get the full strategy prepared before they start pulling
They need to put out of their mind the fact that echo are going right now as well
They need to make sure they just do their strategy for the best of their abilities and
Shut off that part of their mind that is that is stressed about how close it is to over
So there's a couple things I won't play out first and foremost
There's a little bit of tension probably with the echo camp where they probably need to kill this boss
So the next couple of hours because the longer that you extend your raid night
Yes to the normal end time the worse you play and especially with the fight
We're there with that sorry normally they end about noon our time so about two hours from now
Yeah, so they'll have a dinner buff that is currently rolling but starting to fade soon. Yeah
There is an excitement buff as you approach the kill right like right after you get a 3% pull great opportunity to get another good
Pull right a couple of minutes pass a couple of pulls pass without that happening
Then we could start getting it definitely into a worrying plateau situation
It's kind of what happened the last few tears for actually
And you know, they I'm not sure they have those over there
Yeah, they have some other brand, I don't know, it's kind of weird.
Yeah.
Then this wouldn't be close, but luckily, they might not have their ass to it, so.
We've got a shot, right?
They, there's this tough spot, right, where you're kind of getting better,
your strategy's getting better, but you're getting tired at a faster rate than that.
And that can lead you to a spot we've seen in several of the last few races,
where it's like heartbreakingly close, but they kind of just keep
And they're pulling it to a ghetto, but it's like kind of close.
I think this is one of their best shots in years to get this one, though.
I think they're there in a great position.
I think they've got still at least two really solid hours ahead of them.
If we get past that point, that's when I start being worried.
I'm sure they will extend.
I think they're not going to go to bed until they absolutely have to,
but that can be where you start getting the real despair hours.
Now for both liquid and echo, but I mean, we're about to start watching
liquid starting the beginning of the day.
The main thing that you have to focus on is phase one, phase two,
and then the intermission.
Those phases, while we talk about how easy phase three is,
this is very similar to Lura,
where a majority of your wipes happen in phase one.
Somebody who's carrying an egg, it gets clipped by a wave,
and there was basically no real way
of winning that situation.
And so you have to be able to just like stay locked in
and be really preemptive with a lot of your movement
to make sure that you are always making the best decisions
with your movement and not throwing away attempts
that could have otherwise have made it further.
And I think that that's actually something that,
like you you have to always be locked in this is like 10 minutes of being locked
in on the attack where not all in bosses are exactly like that.
Yeah, I think this boss is 100 percent front loaded difficulty and it's this
weird kind of difficulty where three out of four poles, you're going to have a
pretty easy overlap of mechanics to deal with individually.
One out of four poles, you get a really hard combination of waves to dodge
a brown circle to dodge of P two when you're on the phase two hallways.
One side of the room gets no dodges as they run to deposit their eggs into the cauldron,
and the other side of the room is getting bombarded with these spits, and that's random.
So, it's very easy to have a couple of easy pulls in a row, kind of lull you into a false sense of security,
somebody else wipes and you're like, okay, that's not my fault, not my problem,
and then you get the hard overlap, and then you wipe the raid, right?
Got me clutch.
And if that just happens every pull, you are never going to make progress on a boss like this.
So all 20 players, you just have to be giga locked in,
even though not every pull, they actually need to use it, they all have to stay locked in.
The last two races, Liquid was the most clutch guild
whenever it mattered the most.
This is a really big test.
They are 31.9%.
We think that there can be huge chunks of HP taken out
the boss whenever you see to the end of the fight.
There's, of course, a damage amp.
It's like a 200% damage amp on the boss,
but the bool attack is also hittable.
So if you see to the end of the fight,
and the boss is sub, let's say, 17%,
and you keep your all 20 of your Raiders alive,
it is going to be a kill.
But getting all 20 of your Raiders
that burn is obviously the most difficult part. It's much easier said than done.
I mean you can see I have them pulled up on Warcraft Vlogs also. It's like very
slingshotty after they had their really good pull earlier this morning at like
5.7% they were wiping really early on and then they had that
deep pull of like 3% and that took them like 15 pulls. Oh you're the same
Yeah, there's that I am okay
I was like, oh new tech, but yeah, that's that's what I'm looking at and you can see the the gap of
Poles right mean there there there are two really low ones
Well, that's exactly what I was saying you have to be able to make them be be able to make the most of all of the opportunities
Oh my goodness that you achieve right whenever you make it into phase three
Yeah, you have to be able to keep all 20 of your raiders alive
You have to be able to push towards that in rage because you only make it into phase three one and every eight or so
right and you know that's the other thing right making it so that that is
higher than one out of eight poles is a way to win the race today if the team
can string together I would say like four or five p three poles in a row I
think the boss will just die and echo or maybe at a point where they don't even
need that many right they've already been there a couple of times so yeah I
think if they just got even two more p three poles in a row that could end
this boss for them meanwhile here's our graph you can see really good night
really good night last night but the bar has been has been changed right for
what a good pull now looks like it is getting all the way to the end of the
fight it is getting that last in range it is killing the boss basically nothing
else will put us into first on this leaderboard anymore how do you feel about
comp differences I feel like Echo's composition is actually better at being
able to to kill the boss at the very end of the fight with the double
warrior I think that the the healing composition also makes a lot of sense
I feel like those changes are better at the damage to the boss.
I'm a little worried, so one thing I don't like about this composition is they have one
power infusion and two marksmanship hunters, which is a little bit of a...
Yeah, but they get the extra hunters mark, right?
You do get the extra hunters mark, yeah, but then you're playing a non-PI'd marksmanship
hunter.
It sort of cancels that out in those spots.
Assassination rogues is like a giga.
Yeah, the syn rogues are great.
So, Liquid's composition does get to play the two syn rogues, and they actually
have the two PIs.
The guys are good on the Hunter if they're playing MM, which Malarkas was swapping between.
So those are quite good on the rogues I think on this fight too.
So it's something to look out for.
I'm not 100% sure where all of them are being sent.
Another thing I saw Echo doing is they moved their Bloodlust to the second burn with
the Doom Scales active rather than that first burn where you can roll it into that burn
with the Tail and Ullitech.
We expected that the burn was going to need to be used in phase one just for
boss damage optimization, but now the more that I'm looking at the number.
There's a lot of doomscale help you have to deal with in that
Intermission the more I'm looking at the number though. I'm not super convinced that you have to lust there
I think you might be able to just like lust on the doomscales
Yeah, if you're if your pole is clean enough you can just kill the boss outright. So
We today is going to be there where we start looking at numbers as well
Yeah, we're gonna be looking at numbers after each of these boss burns numbers of these different phases for reference
Echoes 3% pole they entered P3 at
at 46% health so if we see that number or especially if we see lower I think 45 is
like absolutely killable. Yeah 45 with everybody saying alive no battle res is
needed to be expended that's gonna be there and if we ever see like 42 43 then
you literally just do the do as good of a pull it doesn't even need to be any
better than echoes P3 and the boss will just be dead at the end of that
burn so. So P3 is 46% phase one what do we want to say coming out of phase
one's probably like 61 60% something like that I guess that's us that's a
lust yeah so without that maybe 67 67 was was good yesterday but I think we
need to be a little lower now I think 65 lowest that was seeing without lust
yesterday yeah so I mean I think 67 is probably still fine and it is very
funny number so I'd be down to put that as our benchmark updating let's keep
updating it as we start seeing what we're not sure that they're going to
copy echoes less there is certainly still merit to using it in P1 you
I do get more boss damage if you can deal with those doomscales.
Cops are unmuted.
Alright, they're bouncing around.
It's coming up.
Here we go.
It's kill day.
It's kill day.
But yeah, something that you were saying is like, where are they going to be lusting?
If they're lusting in phase one, three, then the push that they want to have is probably
somewhat close to 60.
But ultimately, all things go through phase one.
This is going to be the hardest phase for Liquid to be able to figure out, making
sure that they're as consistent as possible in phase one is super difficult.
it starts off at 100 miles an hour. There are so many eggs that rain down from the sky and you see these
moonkins, you see Goop here just star falling and doing infinite damage to these spawns. What happens
is you have to be able to break the shield on these eggs. The moment that the shield has been
broken, everybody is able to pick up an egg. Now an egg, if it ever comes in contact with any
damage that is in this fight, whether it be the water, whether it be a wave, whether you walk
on top of one of your friends, it spawns a Viper. And the Viper is just a lost condition on
this boss yeah at this point you know viper pretty much anywhere other than the
very end of p3 is just gonna be over at this point that's in the progression or
just the race do you guys think that they're just gonna immediately wipe as
soon as they spawn a viper they've been immediately wiping as this one of us
things where you might not want to but you will even I mean so they were
trying to keep it going before I think they won't make any efforts to keep it
going like if they're gonna try to be going or not but it seems like I want
towards the start of P3 they will try and see the whole phase because there is
still a lot of merit in actually getting the muscle memory of P3 up.
There's also not that much healing in P3. I saw a pull where Echo had a viper for
like a really long time. Again it's an alarmingly easy phase compared to P1.
Alright here's the next difficult part of phase one and as it turns out it's
just a bunch more eggs that come down from the sky you have to be able to
beat them before the waves start otherwise they can get a viper and so
this is where you see the moongtons really starting to pop off the
assassination rogues are doing basically just boss damage whenever the Rawlings spawn which are those small adds a
Lot of specializations on this composition are utilizing those as like funnel damage to be able to turn that into boss damage
There's also the wretch which at the beginning of progression if you watched a bunch of the first couple of pulls of will attack
The racial first skills were trying to burn down the wretch almost immediately and not deal within any of its mechanics as it turns out that
Wretches a lot easier than anybody thought and dumping that much damage into wretches then damage that you can't put on the boss
Yeah, and it looks like we have an alert a viper has been spawned for like oh, that is not good news at all
And you can see very quickly things are going to turn into a wipe
And yeah, that's the way this phase works is you spawn one viper and it is over the again the conditions for that are you have like
14 people carrying an egg if they get hit by any of those waves
Then we get a viper and it's over if they run on top of anybody else carrying an egg
Then they spawn a viper and it's over if they walk into the water they spawn a viper and it's over
P3 basically doesn't have those conditions. It's wild and P3 you can go into the water
and it's fine. You can get hit by a wave and it's fine.
Grip the eggs.
Yeah, you can grip the eggs, group them up and just cleave them down and it's also fine.
So it's bizarre.
It's a little party at the end.
Here's your tasty treat after all of the hard work you did.
There's just a bunch of stuff that will one shot you if you mess it up in P1
that will not do anything bad in P3. So that is why we are seeing this boss have
so many pulls end in B1 and progression be so quick once you make it to B3.
Now something that's kind of notable for like audience members who are maybe just tuning
in they're looking at the leaderboard and they see that liquid's at 31.94%.
Something that you need to know about this boss is if you're able to make it to the
end of the fight you're able to basically do almost 20% damage for free-ish.
It's a little bit less but it's substantially less yeah.
I think it's about 17 yeah 17 you know 15% it depends it depends on the the exact burn right you get 20 seconds of the
Another heartburn phase, but you are standing in the water and you have some people that are the analysts cited 22%
Which I was I heard that number and I was okay
I mean I could be wrong. Yeah, I could I could very much be wrong
It might be the case as well that you've got your potions there you got one final round of CDs probably as well
Yeah, I because I think on echoes 3% pull
Let me see what they made it to that burn with and then we can figure out how much they did
but only that people dead is right. Yeah. But I can always at least get an idea for it. Yeah. So I added
THD's mom on discord. I'm sorry. What? We're friends now. Normal thing. She said, Hey, for God's
sake, I get so nervous when the game is like this. I don't understand much about the game, but I look
at the little squares and the lives at the bottom when I start praying. That's so sweet. We're
So friends, we're friends now!
Alright, so Echo's final burn on their 3% wipe started at 20.2%.
They did have one player dead, but it was a healer at the start of it.
Okay.
But of course people did start dying during that final burn.
This is the one they just got to...
This was their 3% about 30 minutes ago.
So they did lose a couple more players during it, but they got it down to 3%.
Yeah, so that means they did 17% in that burn.
So the question is whether you need to do more in the burn or more before the burn and whether you can expect to do more than
17% they did like 2% of damage when they were all in the
Yeah, not a not a huge chunk after the actual burn finished
So yeah, the way it works is you do get a little bit of time after the actual burn cast finishes
So their burn finished and the boss was at 4.2% and then it when they reset it was at 3.6%
So they got another 0.6% off of the boss in the final jump into the water phase
Of course a lot of players were already dead by then
So maybe if you manage to roll 20 players into that you could get a little bit more
But yeah, I think if you're taking off more than like a percent
I think it's unrealistic to ever get more than a percent in the actual post heartburn
So what's the what's the number 18? Like if you have all 20 players alive
I think if you have all 20 players alive, maybe it's feasible 20 if it's perfect
If 20 players are perfectly alive and everything is textbook that burn. I think you could do 20%
Yeah, what number are you feeling comfortable with?
I think we're gonna want to see 18 18% something like that if it's 16
They can have deaths and it's if it's 16% then echoes kill would have echoes pull would have been a kill
Yeah, and they would have actually been before the end of the the burn even yeah
We also get the rep paladin damage there too very true very true the red paladin
So there are a few comp differences that might change things as well, right?
Echo do have a second arms warrior and that could be extremely good at those
burns so that might mean that Liquid Maven need a little bit lower of a boss
going into the burn than Echo do because we maybe have a little bit less burn
damage. I think the Mark's Hunter are also pretty pivotal for burn damage.
Yeah it's definitely not bad at it although I feel like it's less good on
that final burn because you're also dodging all the waves and the brown
circles. No you're standing in the water. Yeah okay you're standing in the water the full time.
Just take a bath for a while.
Alright, so we've talked a lot about the specific pain points that we've been working through on this fight,
but can we give just a general overview as we're starting off the day on this fight and the mechanics?
Yeah, so phase one, all about the eggs, about dodging when you get the waves coming at you.
If you're carrying an egg, you have to dodge every single wave,
and you can never walk on top of somebody else carrying an egg.
So you'll see that noted by the players that have a little green circle around them when they're carrying an egg.
That's how you know who you can't run on top of.
Messing up either of those in P1 as a wipe, otherwise P1 is mostly just about boss damage.
There are some of these big blue bubbles that get cast by these retchads,
these big ones that you can see near the boss. That add soak timer is counting down towards one of those right now.
So you just get inside that bubble and you're totally fine. If you're outside the bubble, you get hit.
The first one doesn't actually kill you, but if it gets to its second cast,
which it does, that one will kill you if you aren't inside of it. Here comes one of these wave dodges.
So every single player in the raid has a different part of the room that they're gonna do this dodge in so that they don't collide
All my players doing it. Hopeful is gonna blink over this here. Oh, wow, so it's the void out from yeah, right next to hopeful
But not too close. Oh viper unfortunately somewhere somewhere else in the raid a viper has been spawned
You tell to issues mom though get a viper. Oh, fortunately. Yeah, viper is the end
And that's phase one phase two you run down some hallways
Kill a warden, toss some eggs into a cauldron, and while you're running to toss the eggs into the cauldron
You don't run into somebody else with an egg or into a green circle on the ground either those spawns a viper and you wipe
And other than that it's just a lot of an adds damage check
And then you get back you got another little burn, then you get the intermission
You kill a bunch of eggs, you got to bring them to those slamming coils to break them
And again not run on top of anybody else doing the same
That one's pretty hectic, but there are only three different patterns that can exist of which part of the room gets slammed when
So they have a pretty good system down for who's going where at each time
And as long as they have enough damage to break up the shields on all those eggs. They haven't had they're not gonna have too much trouble
I think with that today
I feel like that phase they did a lot of progress on yesterday
Yeah started looking really hard at the start of yesterday by the end of yesterday
I think once they were clean into the intermission they were almost always clean out of it
So, I think that the hardest phase by far is this phase one.
Even yesterday, Liquid only had about a 50% success rate of making out of phase one.
Phase two does present some unique challenges as well,
but I think that they have a slightly higher consistency coming out of that phase two.
But it's really going to be about like Viper management,
making sure that everybody's super locked in, paying attention to the waves.
And sometimes you just kind of get owned.
There's a lot of instances where the waves are set up in a situation
where you're just always going to get hit by a wave.
You're always going to spawn the Viper,
and it was always over, right?
But making sure that you just get back there,
understand that sometimes somebody
had a movement that was way harder than the movement
that you may have had, and just continue to pull again.
That's always going to be the best thing for phase one.
Phase one has been long since progressed.
It was progressed days and days and days ago,
and it's still not that consistent at the same time.
The way that what we're looking for
is big boss damage today from Liquid.
How much are they going to be able to push
during the damage amps at the very beginning of the fight.
Those are kind of the questions that we have.
And then if they're able to consistently
chain a couple of pulls, we expect like four to five
pulls into phase three.
That is a huge deal.
And it opens up the opportunity for Liquid
to be able to down the boss rather quickly.
Yeah, this is going to be a phase one
consistency challenge today.
That is the main thing we are looking for.
If we can get phase one to happen reliably
and we don't have these Viper spawns,
I think this boss is extremely dead.
If on the other hand, four out of five of our pulls
make it out of P1 then I think this boss is not going to die today and that would be very disappointing.
They could probably kill the boss within like the next, I would say even like four pulls if they're
all deep. If P1 and P2 go great, I think the rest of the fight, there's a sense now among the
Raiders. I was walking with some of them here this morning to the facility and there's definitely
a sense that that phase is so easy that it actually takes pressure off of the intermission.
They know that they can use all their defensive, all their health stones, all their health potions
just to get through the intermission, because there's nothing that they'll need it for in P3.
Oh, that absolutely makes sense.
And so they just, you just gotta make it there, right? And then they can, they know now the road
is clear to a kill from there.
So it's almost like a little bit of a break in things, there's like two minutes where there's
not really anything going on.
It is a...
Just whack the boss.
Strangely anti-climactic end to the fight.
But we are gonna get that next bubble.
Here's the rush.
Here comes the burn, alright. So let's see. No lust, they are moving to the echo lust of
using it on the second venomous heart phase. Again, the way that this part works is that the boss
exposes his heart. The heart takes double damage, and you can also hit the boss's, you know, rest of the boss too.
So if you have a way to deal good damage to two targets here, you can almost do triple damage.
Oh wow, the boss is low. We were looking for 67% and they're actually gonna have 65% on each boss.
Oh my gosh, that's good. Alright, so that is lower than we were doing yesterday
when we were holding lust here and you know there's all those people that once
you started approaching a kill they'll find final little optimizations and
that is absolutely what we need to see today. Alright so for those who were
just tuning in who have never seen phase two basically what's going to be
going on is there going to be six shackles that go out these tethers you
have to break them to be able to put a dot on the players the main meta
strategy is to break one wait for that dot to expire then press every single
defensive in the game all externals all you know your AMZs your darkness
And break five so THC here is one of the tethered targets. He's gonna wait
He's not the first pop
They're waiting a little bit to even do the first pop and there goes that first one
Yep, and now once this debuff expires
There'll be a five stack continue dodging and then get ready to break instantly there
We go into the five stack and
Everybody is going inside this anti magic zone at this darkness on the ground as well to help sustain them through it
And now they've made it through that damage every single player in the rail
That molt cast is fine and they need to beat that gestation cast which they do and now they need to run back to that cauldron in the middle
Without running on top of anybody else carrying an egg
This side has the easy side because this is the side that didn't have the
The rain upon them right the spit on this side during that run the other side not quite as lucky
We have lost a player and used to be res but we haven't spawned a viper
The fact is the lost condition I'm shocked that they didn't spawn a viper normally if you see a player die
especially in this phase. It's normally whenever the an egg is being carried in some capacity, especially a player like fired up
He's likely to be carrying an egg. The fact that there's no Viper spawned is fantastic and the bottom left hand corner of the screen
You can actually see Drani grabbing that big doom scale egg him and Nick on
Different sides are going to be running and dropping those those doom scales to be able to spawn in that weakened doom scale here in a
Couple of seconds. Drani drops it at the last possible second, but it's gonna be a wipe looks like
Actually couldn't tell maybe maybe a full health doom scale spawned on one of the sides
Yeah, I don't see a Viper debuff on players.
The entire raid didn't get stunned.
Yeah, not sure how it ended there, but ended did.
I assume it had to be a Doom scale, but...
I didn't see a Doom scale done though, and that usually does come out.
Although maybe I was watching Yipz's perspective, maybe he IBF'd it,
because you can immune that stun.
I mean, T.S.T. didn't have a permanent stun on him.
Yeah, so the big eggs at the back, if you don't pick them up in time,
or if you get hit by something while you're carrying that egg,
or if you don't deposit in the cauldron in time,
you will spawn a full health Doom Scale.
That is a guaranteed wipe.
It will stun everybody uninterruptively.
If you do manage to bring it to the cauldron in time,
you got a low health, weakened Doom Scale
that's taking double damage and its stun is interruptible.
So a lot easier to handle.
In fact, possible to handle versus impossible.
Yeah, and so those are some of the lost conditions
that can happen in P2.
It's a phase where, even yesterday, on 80 attempts, only like eight of them made it into phase three.
Half of them made it into phase two. A lot of those that made it into phase two, though, were wipes.
Last week, last reset, phase two was where we lost it, right?
That was the thought process for the boss.
People thought it needed to get nerfed before it could ever get killed.
Some people even on this couch thought it needed to get nerfed.
Can I name any names? But some of us did think that the boss was going to receive some further nerfs,
but it turns out that we were extrapolating the difficulty of Phase 1 and Phase 2 into Phase 3,
and that actually is not the case. Phase 3 does not have anywhere close to the same level of required add damage as Phase 1
or of required execution even as Phase 1 ends too.
Yeah. That was a really great burn, though. I mean, all things considered,
phase one look clean. They just have to continue to be able to do that pull every single pull.
And I think that obviously that's a lot easier said than done. There's a lot of movement. There's a lot of egg spawns.
There's a lot of if you ever mess up and you spawn a Viper, you just immediately lose.
While it's not as flashy as the Heavens Glaive taking out a seed from Lure last season, it is just as deadly.
Just as lethal, especially in those hallways where you really don't have any room.
I feel like that doorway, that doorway especially is so rude.
That's why a lot of the Raiders actually have swapped to Void Elf.
It's Void Elf in theory, opens up a lot of opportunities for you to just shoot that Void Elf racial down the hallway, utilize it, or in THT's case, whenever we were watching his POV, he would run up against the door, and then he would port, and he's out of the way of everybody else, because you're trying to avoid, like, a traffic jam, which is why you would use the Void Elf racial, and it's why you're using the port there, and so just trying to open up more space for other players to be able to actually make it through.
Yeah, especially one of the sides will be getting bombarded by spit every time you are getting into that p2
But it's a random side that gets it
You know the boss alternates which side is getting spat on and the side that gets spat on while doing that egg run has the
Much harder version of that mechanic to contend with so it's very important that everybody has a good understanding of what they're all
Going to do as far as movement abilities go and where they're all gonna stand so that they can dodge without dodging into somebody else
Carrying an egg and wiping the raid
Yeah, but I mean again it's all about phase one you have to be completely locked in the entire time
There are some fights especially even in bosses where you can just like phone in the phase one and it's not that big of a deal
But this is not one of those fights. You have to just
Consistently be paying a hundred percent attention one minor misstep with your movement and you just immediately lose
Absolutely, it is a phase one practice simulator at this point
300 poles in phase one from echo from liquid from method as well
It is still not a phase that is consistent for anybody
It is very much the hardest part of the fight
I think there's a good chance that the winner of the race to world first today
Will be the team that plays phase one the best over the next couple of hours
I mean the strategy the playbook has been written like everybody knows what's kind of at stake here
Obviously Echo has a little bit of an advantage considering the fact that they've had multiple very deep phase three polls
But I mean the the race is not over yet. Yeah
Is indeed me very soon
It's it's very close echo with a new bestful once again
I've gotten another percent or so off of this one and
They had a P3 it looks like where people were they had actually a couple of dead
for a while in p3 and still were able to get the boss even lower which this is
where they start to power up right now they still blood of the water this is
getting getting a little bit nervous over here the legacy echo kind of thing
is that whenever they start to get low on the boss they just get this buff right
I remember it with kind of with the jailer where it was like they start to
chain p3 pulls and if you're a liquid fan like the what liquids game plan
here is just to make sure that they are focusing only on themselves you
You can obviously look at Echo, and you can stress yourselves out.
But ultimately, you have to be able to stay locked in
and in a zen and a flow state for the entirety of this fight.
You're not able to let the outside factors make you nervous
or stress you out or affect you.
You have to be able to lock in.
Yeah, it's for the longest time.
It's been banned to be in their streams
or watching as a raider.
You don't want to know.
You've got to stay focused on what's ahead of you,
because no matter what's happening over there,
you would just have to play your best.
Liquid was the most clutch guild on Demensius and on Lura.
That's true.
And so I think that that actually benefits them a lot.
So they have to be able to kind of capture
that same level of composure and poise
and carry that through.
And we're seeing it in phase two, another phase two pull.
Yeah.
I will say, Echo definitely have the opportunity
to end this race before Liquid really
get a shot at it if they can do it in the next hour
or so.
I'm not sure Liquid are going to be in kill range yet.
I can't imagine that they one shot the boss the first
time to make it to phase three, but it's actually something that is possible.
It is possible in theory.
It would be a wild finish this.
That takes the boss from 31 to 0.
I mean, that's part of the reason why they had that meeting before they started, right?
Exactly.
They want to go over and have everybody know what they have to do.
But there is a big difference between knowing what you have to do and having all 20 people
in the raid execute it properly the first time.
The Viper spawn is going to have inevitable now.
You just have this.
Yeah, the other side.
Unfortunately, a tragic left side blunder.
a common occurrence though
just what side are you on normally the right side of course
yeah left side well no it's there's something about going left on these
sorts of bosses that
degrades the brain cells I found at least in my guild
maybe it's just that smoke that kinda permeates the room
does that mean you put the smarter people on the left and why are you on the right then?
they turned down it's a well researched phenomenon
would you consider going over there yourself and straightening out the phase
No, of course not.
Then I might look bad.
No, I'm kidding.
That's not an acceptable answer.
I don't know who was saying it, but I think they're talking.
I think you guys were on the desk and maybe it was Alice saying
that whoever carries the egg is your better player.
So if you're not carrying the egg,
that means your guilt thinks you're bad.
I think that the exact address line is just
know that if you're a moonkin on this boss
and you were not assigned an egg carry,
just know that your guilt thinks that you suck.
Oh no.
Oh no.
I will say, okay, depending on your composition, it's reasonable to not have the Moon Kins carry.
If you've got enough other good range that, you know, you're not playing Shatter Priest that
are maybe even a little bit, although Shatter Priest playing Boil.
What, are you playing No Melee on this fight?
Like, I mean, maybe.
Maybe you play No Melee.
Okay.
You got a Holy Pally maybe and a Restor Shaman and then, you know, your Melee is, maybe
you own a Mr. Eever.
Hey.
Have a Demon Hunter can jump over the waves with like a double jump VR and so
So I think that makes them okay at egg parrying.
Even if they're not carrying an egg, they're just excellent at this fight.
But you would want like a retpaladon to carry the egg parry.
Yeah, retpaladon is pretty annoying too.
A couple of melee grabbing them early is kind of nice though, because that does remove
eggs.
A lot of the difficulty here is the egg spawns are pseudo random, right?
Sure.
There's a few different places that they can spawn, and you can get a little
bit of confusion about who's grabbing what.
So at least in the early polls, I remember there was a comm maybe, gosh, 150 polls
ago where Max was talking about if your melee, you know, this could be a spot where you grab
early and that sort of crystallizes for the range, which of the remaining eggs might
be theirs, right?
If there's two that sort of could be somebody's, they have somewhere they usually grab them.
Yeah, that a melee can help things out by grabbing one of those and helping the range
player then realize that that last one must be theirs.
The egg is a sign.
Like, the eggs are a sign, but like you said, since they're loosely spread, like,
it doesn't really matter if you get the exact egg that you were supposed to.
You want to have a consistent heuristic for it, but you need to make sure that you're not
like trying to have a pixel perfect strat where you're like, okay guys, here's screenshot
one of 50 of the different eggs spawns we've seen.
Everybody pick one in this image and then always get that one if this image spawns.
The most important thing to the overall strategy is like where are you taking the egg during
the wave and how are you dealing with the waves because you're seeing some classes
like warlocks and mages like blink over, you have the shadow priest porting over,
Then that kind of is it asks the question like where are they standing in the back line to make sure that they don't walk over
Somebody else who is also carrying an egg because that spawns a viper and so that kind of movement
That's more important than like exactly which egg you pick up
Eggs picked up now into a quick wave dodge because then goop here not having a blink
He has to actually takes the inside track on all of this and they're kind of dealing with a traffic jam a little bit
Yeah, it looks scary, but at this point they actually have that traffic jam pretty well resolved if it's not too brutal of a set of ways
Looking like rush hour in LA a little bit. What other ways can you get over it? Blink, D100 jump?
Yeah, Void Elf, Void Elf, Demonic Circle from THD. Okay, you can't- Shadow step is sketchy because if you're carrying it-
It's really short, right?
You don't usually want to cast Shadow step as well because you don't know where-
Yeah.
You might- if you're stepping another player, Transcend could have an egg, but yeah, Transcend has been good.
Um, where your leap leap? I'm not sure if that goes over the way you probably can but I cannot imagine
The works it wouldn't you be I mean cuz we're really good DPS
because where your leap a leaps over the gebos and power on
Last explorers, but some abilities like that it gets high enough to cover and some it doesn't I think this would probably be one worth
It's just if it's the middle of your leap you're probably high enough. Yeah, you have to get at the apex of the leap which is
Yeah, that's probably possible.
You gotta finesse that one.
No, I doubt anybody's out here trying that.
Yeah, the nice thing is the warriors likely just aren't carrying an egg.
They're among the lowest priority people to grab one of them.
Yeah.
But more to the point, there's a lot of specializations that have to just walk around,
like, you know, your shamans, your druids, and your evokers,
and since they have to walk around the waves,
the more people that can use void elf ratio or port or whatever.
They're cheesy.
Yeah, exactly.
It just makes it a more effective strategy.
Yeah, less traffic than we're going to have.
We're going to see the five-stack tether break
here in a couple of seconds.
This actually feels, while we were looking at it days ago,
and we're like, how are we supposed
to make it through this phase?
This feels like it's now finally a little bit consistent.
They're dropping the anti-magic zone.
They're pressing every defensive in their tool kit.
And even through that, KSP proxies cheat death anti-highs.
It's OK.
B-res available.
Honestly, this is not one of those fights
where it feels all that bad to lose a B-res early
either, because so many of the ways
that somebody dies are just going to wipe the raid.
So if you get one of the ways that doesn't, and you just get to use a B-res on it, that
feels pretty good.
I feel like KSP and Exile proc their cheap death during this phase 100% of the time.
Yeah, it is very, very common to see that cheap death on those raid grids.
Okay, look at this.
In the bottom left-hand corner of the screen, we see Driny.
He's going and grabbing that big Doom scale egg, and he's going to have to deposit
that in a couple of seconds, leaving.
Who is on his side?
I think it's Boomi.
Yeah, Boomi to be able to solo heal the other nine players.
Driny just in that ghost will form picking up that egg.
The opposite of Driny is going to be Nick
for the side that we're currently seeing Goupon.
And so they have to deposit those doomscale eggs
at the exact same time.
Now the remainder of the squad for liquid
on both of the sides are going to be carrying the smaller eggs,
which spawn the Rawlings,
and then the other doomscale egg as well.
Yeah, getting back to the middle now,
and we know where the boss is going to be.
It's over at square and X.
Here's Lust.
Lust being popped.
Yeah, and so comes the rage, the burn on the boss.
So how low can we get this boss while also dodging all of these brown circles and green waves?
We were looking at 46% as the preferred push. Anything below that?
And we are feeling great.
Alright, so the boss, now a few more seconds left on that burn.
How low can it go? 44, 43% on the boss here.
Oh wow. Okay. This is already the case that if they just replicate what Ekko did on their 3% wipe, it would be a kill here, but here's the thing, way to go.
They don't even need to have all 20 players alive to the finish line. I think that if they can squeak by with 17 or 18 players for most of that, I don't know how to say most, but like the last platform, I think that this is absolutely in kill range for liquid.
At the same time, this intermission, this is what they were progressing all day yesterday. The movement on these coil sends is extremely difficult.
There's also the possibility of spawning a Viper here,
which as we've already determined, that's a wipe condition.
Yeah, gotta get into all of these.
An egg does still need to be picked up as well.
All Rawlings spawned, no eggs still outstanding.
Oh, they're cool.
No Viper's, that's what we needed to see.
And now we get into position, and this last phase,
will they be able to execute this
on their first try today?
Oh, one shot, which is so funny.
Crazy one shot from downtown is possible,
but it's gonna be tough.
Even though we've talked about this phase,
not having the same level of difficulty as phase one.
They have 300 poles of phase one at this point
and phase three is still new territory.
So for phase three, you're basically on a timer.
Ulotec's going to be breaking these platforms periodically
and spawning some ads.
Now the ads on heroic, they are these eggs
that you have to deal with.
But on Mythic, there are these slimes
that you can kind of grip and you saw the DKs
running out and gripping them.
Then you were going to get the venom,
which you have to suck out of your friends.
The main meta strategy is looking to be
you stack them up as three,
You put a couple of players, mostly the tanks and immunity classes inside of those circles,
and then you just spread out with four of the debuffs as opposed to the eight or twelve or
sixteen that we thought were originally going to happen. These are going to shoot out some waves
here in a couple of seconds, which you have to dodge. But this is looking great for Liquid's
first attempt in P3. Yeah, players now with those waves are going to be taking a pretty heavy
dodge for a couple of seconds. Yeah, that's where you're immuneing, though, right? Yeah,
you're immune. You're pressing your cloak. We'll save you for most of that damage, and the last
last couple takes can be covered with the external if needed.
Oh no.
So what happened there was a wave went through those slithering clutches
and spawned some vipers.
That is going to be a whole lot of extra raid damage.
And more importantly, those vipers
are going to start dive bombing players as well.
And that puts a huge healing absorb on you and stuns you until it is removed.
So who is responsible for that?
Is it the DKs to try to grip those clutches through the waves?
Is it the waves that were shot out from the players?
What spawned those vipers?
I think it was the waves from back in the room.
Maybe we can watch the replay after this poll and see exactly how those did to on cuz I didn't see it 100%
Now we have a spread inside this mythic soak and again the viper is still alive
So we're gonna be getting over a nice break there by hopeful is gonna mean that he at least doesn't get that dive bomb on him
We have three more of those soaks being stacked now over on the right
Hopefully these vipers can die before they get to their next dive bomb and actually
Bosses so low somehow. We're still kind of keeping this going up until we are not with that wipe there
But that was good. The first spot is less lethal in B3 than it is in B1 or 2.
Who is responsible for making sure that... is it the DPS to make sure those clutches are dead in time?
I'm not sure. I don't know. I have to see the situation. I'm not sure whether or not it's possible to kill those before those waves.
In which case, that's probably what you gotta do, right? Depending on where you are.
I mean, I guess you could mass-grip them out of whatever path of the waves, but that seems worse than just killing them in time.
To me it's more of a question is it damage allocation problem, or is it like a
We can move these with mocks or whatever strategy kind of determination that seems worse than just killing them before the waves
At least with the heroic timers. What if we just explosive shot them into the water? Yeah, could be could be a vibe
Could be something. I think explosive shot just does damage. Oh, no, it's what's a trap
Excessive trap high explosive trap. Yeah, is that still in the game? Yeah, okay, then. Yeah, could be that could be a vibe
probably don't go in the water okay it took us like 30 minutes to get there
right because they had a they had like a comms meeting for for like 20 minutes
after 10 which is when they get in the building yeah or sit at their PCs so
those like 30 minutes to get a pretty deep like new progression pull as well
so right so it is them being sponsored you see the Slytherin clutches in the
front all good so this is this is the one that was fine I mean and there's
okay no there's the eggs okay so hang on let's go back again go back to
the the start of this one maybe and oh perfect okay so we've got yeah two
slithering clutches over there on the left I think those probably just need to
die before these waves come out I mean I guess you could try and mass-grip them
over that ping but I think they were low enough that they should have been
dead by then two of them were dead and then two of them were alive yes that's
that to me that sounds like something that those should just be dead by then
okay which might still be on the D case because maybe you're supposed to get
them gripped better under boss quicker to be able to kill them in time.
Sure. But yeah, I think it's a case of like you've
got to have a couple people that do swap to those. That is, however, a new best for us.
29% again. The operative progression point on this fight for us still isn't yet percent.
And this could be a boss that is never about damage optimization for us.
Oh dude, we saw how low the boss was. If you look at how low the boss was
going into P3, if we can just repeat that. Now to be fair, Echo do have an extra
arms warrior that should be making the end of P3 a little bit more high damage than ours.
But I think we're coming in with enough of the lead that if we play a good P3, we might
not need to do this thing of like 4%, 3%, 2%, 1%. We might be able to take this from 29%
to 0% in a single pull.
To recap for people, by lead you mean in health percentage because we're front loading
the damage.
we had a 44% boss, 43% and Echo,
at least in their three percent bull,
I didn't see in their two percent bull,
but in their three percent bull,
they had a 46% health boss.
So it is extremely likely that the next progression point
for Liquid is to see to the end of P3.
If they see to the end of P3,
it's unlikely that they one shot the end of P3
with the boss helping low enough.
But it is not impossible.
I think the most likely situation here
is that we're gonna see a huge jump
from 29% off the boss to 4% or something like that for Liquid here.
Yeah, you know, because that's the thing, right, is we're talking about all these things
in the context of a great P3, it's much more likely that you'll have a good P3 before you
have a great P3.
It is, again, and a good P3 still doesn't kill this boss.
It is in theory one-shot-able.
I mean, we saw Guilds on Lura one-shot the Mythic phase.
That did happen.
It has happened, yeah.
It didn't happen for the Racial.
First, but it happened for Guilds that followed.
It's absolutely possible, but it's unlikely, right?
You're probably gonna have to see it see it through a couple of times
inevitably, there's somebody who may die to the
Venom debuff like there's there's a lot that can go wrong if you don't have all three of your battle reses that you get like
Cuz you get the third one at nine minutes if you don't have all three of those battle reses then it also gets a little bit sketchy
Yeah, I mean
I think it's it's definitely not one of those fights where you need to give up if you have to send a beer as early
But it does feel great to carry all of them into that last phase the viper spawn condition is also
Especially a double Viper, that's still probably gonna wipe you if it happens in P3.
But honestly, a Singleton Viper, I feel like it's not that bad, like, the-
It's healable.
The Don is healable, the Heal Absorb dive bomb, if it goes on somebody who can blink it, is also,
you get one or two of those and then the Viper can die.
I think you could maybe still kill this boss with a Viper in P3.
None of the other phases, but if you got one in P3, I think you could maybe still win.
I will say, I think the healing check on the, um, what are the other adds in P3 that spawn the-
The wretches?
No, no, no. Oh, the shriekers. The shriekers. Yeah. I think the heel check on the shrieker is going to be a little bit tough.
I think that there's also going to be some like damage allocation balancing that has to happen on the shriekers.
It's really going to be about like who's sending cooldowns into the boss versus who is fully focusing on those ads,
because if you send too much damage on the ads, even though you're building up a little bit of a boss HP lead,
if you allocate too much damage to those ads, then you lose that attempt though.
Yeah, it's easy to make the calm of just like, hey, we're ahead, just do the mechanics, whatever.
If you focus too much on the mechanics and not enough on the boss damage, you will then
no longer be ahead.
Yeah, this is why these are the racerable first skills, right?
They're trying to kill it first.
There is an insane damage check that is kind of required, and so you have to have basically
what is the perfect balance.
You're not allowed to have like, oh yeah, let's just overkill all of these adds.
All right, well, fine attempts.
Could be time for a good five minute break from Liquid here.
Yeah, they muted their comms, so they're about four and a half minutes into their
little discussion.
How do you guys feel about the raid in which we're going right now?
Not the pacing, but the fact that we got a 29% P3 pull.
Feeling good about that, yeah.
Less than an hour into our day.
This is pretty good.
I think that right now what they're discussing is just damage allocations, kind of like
yeah, I'm trying to decide what we're discussing.
It's like, where do we really need to put our cooldowns?
What is the most effective use of our damage?
What can go into the boss versus what can go into the adds?
And then it's like a class by class basis, where things like assassination rogue,
Well, they're very unlikely to want to hit those clutches, right?
They want to put up dots on those clutches and then just funnel that damage into the boss,
where some other specializations like, say, the Shadow Priest or even like the Warlock and stuff like that
can actually do some pretty meaningful damage to those mobs.
Yeah, I think that this is, it's a progression pace that would feel great,
except I know that Ekko have the boss in any territory, right?
It's like, this boss could die at any moment for Ekko.
And so that means that liquid just making good solid progression is very tense because every single time you every 10 minutes that pass
It could all be over here even just seeing them not putting up a bull timer is
Yes, it's like somebody will tell them nails out chalkboard right? It's like come on get in there
It's more just like there is
Strategic stuff that they have to be able to talk about right that they're not gonna win by just chain pulling the boss in phase one
and then hoping that things work out.
Don't get me wrong, I know that in my brain,
but in my heart, I want them to pull the boss right now.
In my heart, we want to be entertained.
Yeah, of course.
It's not so much entertained as like,
I mean, of course it is also entertained.
They know that, right?
Like the Raiders aren't.
Yeah, yeah, I just like, I know
that Echo are in there pulling the boss right there.
Oh, you know, he has his phone open, by the way,
and watching with him.
Look, you do a weekly podcast with Max.
Why don't you go knock on his door
and tell him to pull the boss?
I know.
Hey, guys.
He's making us anxious.
Look, I'm saying, I know that we shouldn't.
I know that it's right to talk about everything, you know,
to breathe, to not focus on the competition,
but as a spectator, I am tense.
I'm in an extremely tense state.
We need some breathing exercises together
if we want between this bowl.
Okay, great.
All right, everybody, shh.
Okay, into the nose.
Hold it, three seconds.
Okay, out through the mouth.
Ah.
I think.
Ah!
Sorry.
something that grinched me when you see that.
Yeah, he's like, is he plating balloons?
He's like, yo, God.
He's like, ah!
That was good.
I think I fit like 10 breaths into that one
that you tried to do at the time there.
This is getting very, very tense.
Somebody has to pull this boss right now.
It's been seven minutes of comms muted.
Yeah.
That's good.
Hopefully it means they're figuring out something very,
very good about that live space.
What do you think they're discussing?
Because I know you guys were saying that there's
different things that they wanted to try in P3? So it's a couple of things. I think it's going to be
movement. That's obviously going to be one of the key elements to phase three, making sure that you're
doing the platform jumps on time and making sure that all of that works.
Another thing is just damage allocation, and I really think it's going to be
shrink your damage. It's going to be the clutch damage, making sure that all those
adds die on time. You don't want to overkill them. That's the big takeaways. You don't
want to overkill them. You don't want to throw away the boss HP lead that they had.
At the same time you have to be able to allocate enough damage to them to make sure that they die
Yeah, we think that p3 damage check is not going to be too crazy, but it's still really hard
This is still a myth again boss
You must still option as you probably just don't have to do the levels of optimization that you've needed for things like
Bellarin to egging right that sort of thing where you have to think about every like oh
Or even standing on top of my og at different times right those sorts of thought processes
shouldn't be required for this one but everything else still needs to be great
right everybody still needs making really intelligent decisions about where
they're standing what they're damaging you know when they're using those
cooldowns yeah looks like comms are live oh whole-timer back up 18 procton to a
25 25 yeah those extra seven seconds surely we won't forget those later
T.C. mom messages me, Viper?
Question mark, question mark, question mark?
I was kidding, did you know about the Viper?
I didn't say anything.
She messaged me that.
OK, T.C. mom.
A Viper is what happens when you get hit
by one of those big green waves, or if you bump into one
of your friends when they have a green circle around them.
And that is basically bad.
It's an inevitable wipe.
Yeah, it's a.
Yeah, nothing basically about it.
It is very bad.
Yeah.
All right, pull number 302 on the way here for Liquid.
I hear drumming from production. I can only imagine.
There was, let's just say Echo had a very good push into the last phase, but it has not, it is not over yet.
We're still in this thing.
Production's slamming their desk a little bit.
We're all in this together, don't worry.
The tension palpable.
It is getting very, very tense here.
Did they hot fix something?
No way they hot fixed the water.
Am I getting baited?
That would be crazy.
There's a hot fix.
Check the laptop.
I don't think this many people.
There's the, what is...
Let's go.
Did they hot fix the water?
There's no way.
Okay, I don't see a, I don't see a...
They hot fixed the strut.
I literally didn't think they were going to do that.
I thought they were going to let them do it.
Careful, careful.
Your source right now is switched out.
My sources is so many people in twitch chat so many people are hot-fixed
It's not just a couple of trolls the water or they're saying the goo
Thank you with blizzard good buff timing. That's all we needed
Talking about it earlier and he goes do you think that the hot-fix so that I go if we were in any other position?
I expect the answer to be yes, but right now I expect to know
Yeah
Do you think that echo jumped in the water as like a trump card to be like all right whenever we're in kill territory?
do this because blizzard can't fix it right and then I was like yeah they
probably did right and the fact that blizzard went and slimmed out a hot fix
on it means that you have to play out that last platform it makes that last
platform a lot more so brutal oh my god all right hang on so I don't know if it's
on wowhead that I'm literally just reading chat right now and they said
apparently they're just saying it on the echo stream and there's no official
source okay maybe yeah we'll have to take a look we'll have to wait and see
for a nice poster from some confirmation from a friendly analyst that
sort of thing. A little bit of data mining information. It is likely to be true mostly
because that strategy seemed a bit cooked. Yeah. The timing of the, at the timing of
the hot picks though, I feel like they should have just let them do it.
I, so here's my thing. I, I thought Blizzard would not have fixed anything to make the
fight harder because I feel like at this point they want the race to be over more
than they wanted to end the way that they fight, they wanted the fight to go. But
it's day 17. It is, it seems like they're interested in keeping this thing going
a little while longer perhaps so we'll have to see when and if we get confirmation of the hotfix.
One thing that can happen as well is like you could just like die to something you haven't
died to before and be like oh my god they fixed it but they maybe didn't right like sometimes
that does happen uh where you just say a wave despawns like five yards further away than it
usually does and it hits your whole raid and you're like you look at it and you're like oh
my god they change it but like it would be the funniest one of the funniest bits though if
here said it's like nothing fixed it they fixed it just lost yeah well I we can't
confirm anything just yet we are looking for information right now we see the
chat full of people saying though that there has been a hot fix and we will
let you know we know more orders this morning yeah we've got a great I'm
spamming my my refresh key on all my sources waiting to see your radar
and your your wow heads and oh oh you're getting a message no okay another
boots on the ground members ironic is ironic being no better than twitch chat
message but it is in fact not about that it's just means I'm not sure dude I'm
I I'm not sure how I would feel about this because I don't know I mean it
It depends on how that last platform would have to actually get done, but yeah, that could
be absolutely wild if you have to actually do the entire dodge while shooting out waves
on that last platform instead of being able to just jump into the doozy.
Echo did it once.
It wasn't perfectly clean.
Yeah.
They ended up losing four people, but it seems like it's absolutely do.
Well, yeah.
I mean, going from losing four people down to losing zero is going to be pretty tough
for that particular overlap.
I'm not saying that it's like free or anything, but I think that it is still, it's not like it's an impossible set of movement.
Question. I just got a notification from United Airlines and it's time to check in my flight. Do I check in for my flight?
I would still check in because we can't move it again.
Let's check in for my flight.
Guys, let me be honest with you.
The tension here is palpable from the raiders, from production.
The vibes are...
I'm looking at cams right now, even the casters cams is looking stressed all the way from the caster. I see him
Just like locked in. Hi cams. Hey, oh, he's spun around. He's he's listed there. Oh, we're gonna get a live view of cams
I think in a big wave. Yeah, but everybody everybody here
Attention is palpable. Okay. Oh, we're waving us away. He's having a little snack there. Is he? Oh
That's good. We've been trying to make sure that he eats because sometimes when he gets stressed he can
Today is a little candy Griblin. Today is kill day. It is definitely
main monitor content. Yeah, Tabin. Yeah, I have TSA pre-check.
All of you who are slacking on your job, one more day. Exactly.
We know that for the last 16 days, you've had the race world first open on your side monitor,
watching it instead of doing your work and answering your Slack notifications or your Microsoft Teams
or soft teams, games or whatever else you've been neglecting.
Yeah, whatever else you've been neglecting.
Jira tickets.
This is the last day.
One day of main monitor content.
Wait, what tickets?
Jira.
It's like a project management software thing.
I thought you said go Jira.
No, no, no.
It's like a software where you're like,
you get a signed a ticket and then, yeah.
Anyways, don't think about that right now.
Think about the race world first.
Your job will wait, or they will fire you,
and then you'll have even more time for World of Warcraft.
And you get severance.
That's right.
I love that show.
Can we talk about how sad it is that Atlas,
like this is his first day back at work and not here,
and he misses it.
Hey, Atlas.
He's potentially going to miss.
Hey, buddy.
And Atlas's boss, those brownies were good yesterday.
Did you guys eat those?
No, I never saw them.
I think they disappeared so rapidly.
They're calamansi, I believe, ate all of them.
Yeah, I saw calamansi.
He brought them out to the dumpster
so that he could just put them in there
and enjoy them in his traditional style.
Of course, yeah.
Does that with all the food that he loves the most?
He really is like a raccoon.
All right, we've got the five stack now being
ticked on everybody.
Looks like we might even have to preserve the death
this time around, picking up our eggs.
And there's that sempiting war from Goop.
This side has the easy job.
You'll see there's no green circles here,
which means the other side is the most likely side
for something to go wrong.
But it looks like we've made it through that phase
of the fight.
One of the most common Viper spawns is on that run.
But now we are through to the final set of eggs.
While making it through that log jam is good,
Like you said, that is actually one of the biggest points
of contention where they spawn a Viper or something bad happens.
What's actually going on with Driny
in the bottom left-hand corner of the screen
or with Nick as well on this side,
those are actually one of the more difficult points
as well where something bad can happen.
They're basically picking up these doomscale eggs
and they're having to run and go deposit them on time.
As it turns out, the on-time part
is extremely precarious and making sure
that if you deposit it too early, it's a problem
because your tank isn't there to be able to tank them up.
If you deposit it too late, well, bad news,
It spawned a full health doom scale and you just immediately lose and get your entire raids done
It looks like they're all weekends. That's good
You can see that blue heart debuff on all them on the raid frames and they're also all not lost and there it is blood
Lessed available the boss starting to get hit. We're looking for sub 47 percent last time
I think it was like 45 five right? Yeah, exactly if we can get that down to 44 point something
I'm gonna be feeling it very good
We're looking for that push right now 57% and falling, definitely be a very good sign
if we can get to that point.
Now right after this phase, you would expect it to go into P3, but unfortunately it is
actually going to be going into an intermission which is not that easy.
You're going to get a bunch of coils in while the boss is extremely low for liquid
here.
They continue to optimize.
Now look at this, you have to be able to break all these eggs in time.
This is where the double moon can come into play.
nothing else but exactly standing in the middle of the room pressing all of your
offensive cooldowns you may have lost to the tank on the boss during that damage
amp right there but right here this is where the moon can time to shine is they
have to be able to break all these eggs in time to be able to get them into
those coil slams to spawn Rawlings if you end up accidentally walking on top
when your friends just spawn a viper if you don't get the eggs broken in
time waves will come through and they'll also spawn a viper if the boss
phases and not all the eggs are picked up or broken into Rawlings
that will also spawn a viper.
And so it looks like for liquid here,
they have all the eggs dealt with
and no vipers are here.
All right, phase three begins,
and now we'll get to put to the test
whether or not there has been a hot fix
that would change the strategy we can use here.
Whether or not that jacuzzi water is a little bit hurtier
than it used to be, or anything else has changed
as chat and echo casters were reporting earlier.
The strategy looks very similar
for at least the beginning of phase three.
Everybody is on the same platform.
They're gonna be stacking up with the triple stack
for the Venom, only allowing four people to get those waves.
Whenever they actually do get those waves that deposit
in that three stack of that Venom dot onto those players,
those players are in peril.
That's very, very dangerous part of this fight.
They also need to make sure that these clutches
get killed off in time.
Last time we saw this phase, the clutches either
didn't get stacked hard enough,
or not enough damage was allocated to those,
ended up causing a problem.
So a lot more damage actually looks
like it's being allocated here.
Not even gonna be able to have the wave going off
before those adds are killed off in spawning Rawlings.
more death grips coming out here as we get these final set of eggs on the four
platform nice
and everybody spreading beautifully with those waves
these clutches are dead in time
moving into the safe spot now from these waves and i think you do get a little
bit more of a difficult dodge
coming from the other side as well
but not too much more scary even than a jump
jumping to the next platform and here comes that tail slam
everybody just needs to be close to full health unfortunately fired up
going to go down that's going to be our battle res one more will be available at
nine minutes but that is the last one until then oh wow it looks like the off
tank was actually on the other platform baiting those beans from that that this
it's soaking the wretch yeah you need to make sure that you don't let that beam
actually contact the clutch right the egg form so now you have the first
wretch AOE at the exact same time the venom debuffs are going out so those
venom debuff players again they're gonna be triple stacking they're gonna
pressing defences are going to be making sure that the dot after the Venom
debuff expires won't take them out. The actual the application of that isn't
too bad but it's the dot after that is very dangerous and so they have to deal
with that while at the exact same time dealing with this wretch and allocating
enough damage to that to get it killed off before it becomes problematic. At
the same time the wretch doesn't really seem that bad and phase three is a
relatively low damage intake phase. Yep, it's down. How bad is that? One tank
alive and it is Scott. Scott does have, does he have that Venom debuff on him?
How long can you solo tank for? I think you would do a little while, especially if
you've got some externals to spare. So the next tank combo here is gonna put
him up to even more stacks, but you can maybe live this. He's also got to turn
around and get some grips, get some taunts on these Shriekers. Looks
like he's got that also under control though, and we're at the part of the
fight. Be resin 15. Yeah, with a beer is in 15. He has to live one more of these
mothers rats. So this is going to be after the waves. He's going to get knocked
back and he's going to have to make it back to the boss and then survive a
massive hit. They get battle res gets here does not have a lot of
defensives here. So he's going to need some externals to live this one in.
He goes into that big bubble in the front trill and teach to your dad and
actually doesn't even need his purg. Wow, beautiful work there by Scott to
keep this going. They are going to res gives now, but with only 18 players
alive. The damage check is starting to look a little bit less realistic still
though boss at 20% this could be it this could still be it yeah we could still
make this happen with the DPS players dead here it's gonna be a lot more
difficult we can have no further deaths but maybe if they can do perfect
damage this could still work out as everybody gets over to the corner
and gets ready to jump in let's see if this strat still works we've got
some waves spawning we've got a dodge out of the way of those and then in
to the green under the boss. Here's the here's the burn. Here's the damage burn from the rage.
It's gonna be a 200% damage ample the boss. The boss is also still gonna be hittable. The boss is at
16% for liquid here, and they are going to be all perishing. Did they mess up the venom?
I'm not yeah, Calcify Corpse is what killed them there. So they didn't quite get the venom out of
everybody that had the soak there, but still 15% off of it. That was an rage time guys looking
Good. Yeah, their damage is there. I just need all of our players to be alive
Like honestly if they got the calcified corpse dealt with there even down
I think they would have been a little shy, but I think it would have maybe been lower than that
We're talking a sub 1% white, right? I think I would guess 2% would have ended with the with the 2 dps players
That right that is a solid chunk of your damage that was on the ground there for the entire burn
So is it too early to say we've caught up? It is still too early to say we've caught up
I think echo is still in the lead, but we're getting close. We're getting close enough that we the next time we overtake
We could end the race. Okay, we can end the race on any of these bowls
But you know what echo could do they are also in there and they are absolutely owning this deer. It's gonna be a very tense
Unknown amount of time until the race is over guys my heart rates really high
Say that we should be wearing like heart rate monitors for this or some of the Raiders should
It's I believe the raiders are but
They're wearing those little sleep things right I think that also tracks a heart rate
All right, so here's where things started to go wrong
Yes, you could see already with that purgatory debuff does end up going down on this maneuver
It's this next platform
But Scott heroically able to keep the bull going even as just the solo tank here doesn't even need as much
Trill and THD that's a great question and one that will probably get the answer to in a sec here
So we've got another spawn of these eggs
The grips coming in we've got THD perspective even so we might be able to see what happened to him
As we have the shriekers casting so that's damage on the right. I wonder if they got melee
Maybe like low-key that could have absolutely happened doesn't look like it on THD there at least
Yeah, good good grips and taunts from Scott fun. We have a wave dodge coming out try jumping over to the other platform early
Yeah, it's nice so that he can just prep for some healing
Then here comes that mother's wrath a couple of waves from the back. Oh, I think maybe yeah, he got bounced off of it
Okay, that's all right, though
To what maybe got bounced through the wave
I mean, you didn't look it that could have been what happened to him. I don't know
And then we got to this last part here. We had 18 players alive
Making it in to this final platform
And the instant wipe came from the calcified corpse
So they didn't have enough people soaking it basically yeah, so somebody did not get all the venom how many people how many people are standing
It looks like it's lip it looks like it's
I
Think they're missing one person. I think maybe I think there's a road. That's like missing. Yeah one of the roads
Maybe should be in there
Maybe not
Maybe they were only needed to be in the earlier ones
Maybe somebody had to dodge out for a second there
Oh, and then missed it weren't able to get all that is a semi going angel form as well
Well, that's I think that's intentional. I think that he's supposed to actually maybe he needs to finish the venom first though
So that the calcified corpse see about oh, I wonder if he died
Yeah, and then brought his angel calcified corpse on him that could very well be what happened
So maybe he needs to survive just a couple seconds longer if he is the target there because he's the sack right?
He's actually doing it in place of the rogue there
Well, yeah, or if he's the healer that's targeted, you know
He still needs to make sure that his venom is all gone before he dies
Mm-hmm, even if he's planning to sack to help the other people really close really really
Three pulls away from how many were in between that can we look at the graph?
What are you saying tunnels as I say hard to really tell if the water was hot fixed?
I mean
A lot quicker. Maybe that's just in my brain though. They died. They definitely was still worked
Yeah, I think there may have been some some fake news about the water, but I'm not sure I haven't seen any posts about it
Either way for Echo it was sorry for liquid it's been there was one wipe between those two deep pulls
That's a great rate if we can keep one early wipe between every great pull. We are very very happy about that
That is good
Yeah, echo have also been having a very high consistency last few hours
Their last few bulls have been P1, P3, P1, P3, P1, P1, intermission, P3.
Those sorts of things have been on the Echo last few bulls.
They are also on a bit of a heater right now, but starting to get light over there.
Miss THD said, thanks, heart, heart, heart, heart, heart, smiley face, smiley face, smiley face.
Well, like a...
Miss THD.
I know.
Yeah, yeah.
Sorry, go ahead, drag those.
Yeah, I think that the the enraged timer of the you know sleepiness could start to be a real issue for
Echo soon as well. It's unfortunate. Because you know it's not that late over there yet. But they said they end in 40 minutes.
Yeah, they usually would be ending in about 40 minutes. You get a lot of you know extra adrenaline as you're approaching a kill.
Yeah. Then as that adrenaline starts wearing off, that can lead to an even more
more detriment to your performance.
I'm down to declare that we're in any pool territory.
Absolutely both guilds I think are right there in range of ending this race.
I think that liquid all they needed to do was see to the end of the fight.
They've basically seen everything that they need to that cup.
There's a couple of movement positions that we were talking about.
We said that they only needed like four or five polls into that last phase to be
able to down the boss.
Liquid has to be able to get back there with all 20 players alive though.
Okay, so a little bit of background information.
They thought it was not fixed,
so that's why half jumped in and half didn't.
Max did confirm that they were working on hot fixing in Sory
is checking the client data, but it's not showing.
So they're guessing at this point.
Okay. Whether or not it's hot fixed.
Well, it looks like it.
It's at least on that pull it works.
It didn't look like it was fixed yet.
Jumping into the water was,
if that was the nerf or the buff version,
it's still the strategy.
600% more good in it.
Yeah, I think it would be so strange to put a hotfix on it when they're this low as well.
Blizzard, please dude.
I would just like to inform Blizzard as well that there are MDI competitors that would really
like to get into some dungeons and get out of the rain.
I think completely irrelevant to that.
There is no need to hotfix this right now.
It sounds like they ought to do it on a day 20.
If I'm reading this correctly, it sounds like there is a hotfix that's coming.
All right.
Lovely.
I'm saying is up until it's deployed they could still decide not to
That would probably be better. You're making your ploy. You're your plea. That's that's my that's my my plea. Yes
What echoing here right now?
What are we looking at? Yeah?
Who echo?
Yeah jumping into the water. They're taking a bath right now. Yeah, we'll see a little bb
Meanwhile liquid they got to put up a pull timer somebody has to let them know I go a really low on the boss right now
Do you think Teech, he's watching them right now?
I don't think so.
He is the one who would be on everybody.
Perhaps not under these circumstances.
Alright, you know it's not even close, they're going to have a little 1.3% wipe, you don't
think they're worried about it?
Alright guys, I hate to touch it, I hate to touch it.
Okay, okay, breathe it in for the wetter.
Oh, right check, right check, right check, right check, right check, right check, right
check, right check, right check, right check, right check, right check, right check.
I hate watching casting hexes at the higher-to-debt switch.
No, that could never have happened.
Our turn, our turn.
We actually have one, by the way.
Brooklyn casted a spell on them.
That's great.
All right, here we go.
Pull timer maybe?
Let's see it.
Nope, still no pull timer.
And feast dropped.
OK, wow, it's been an hour already.
It felt like 10 minutes.
But the feast is down.
I mean I think that liquids poles today have been really good like I think that that's something that we were kind of worried about
especially with the volatility of phase one and just how
Annoying it can be with like the egg carrying and the fight responds and just how hard this phase one has been proven to be time and time again
The fact that liquid showed up this morning, and they were ready to game and they have
What is it 75% of their poles making out of phase one something like that?
Pretty good. Yeah, the last few poles so the last three poles for liquid have been
P3, P1, P3. That's good. We got another couple of P3s. I mean you've said
titles you think it's any pool territory. I think realistically we're gonna want to
see that in rage a few times. Okay. But it could be it could be a clutch single
pull. Any of these could be the one. The pull timer is up 16 seconds on it. It
would be unbelievably clutch to go from 15 to 0. That would be historical. I
I mean, they went from 30 to 15.
What's another 15%?
Simple math, right?
You're asking the good questions here.
All right.
And I also do feel like they're continuing
to optimize health pass those checkpoints
that you guys have been citing throughout the day.
Yeah, the damage burns are,
it's the sort of thing where like,
no pull yet, has it mattered where the damage is being?
But they know that when they actually get to enrage,
they're gonna be really happy if they have optimized
all of those B1 and B2 burns.
Getting 20 players alive to the burn, I think, is the most challenging part of the entire thing.
That's always going to be super hard, is like being able to get all of your raiders there.
Alright, into P1 once again, and the paradoxical thing about this fight is we're thinking so much about P3,
but if you are a liquid raider right now, P1 has to still be where most of your brain power is spent.
This is the craziest part of the fight. You have so much to manage and a single Viper spawn is still the end
It doesn't matter how much frog you've done
It doesn't matter how low the boss is in theory in practice P1 has to be perfect
Yeah, I mean it really comes down to the fact that this fight has past fail mechanics the last couple of
End bosses had past fail mechanics and this one is no exception where the egg carrying
I think tends to be the hardest part where you pick up an egg if you walk into your friends
you spawn a Viper, if you end up getting hit by a wave, or falling in the water, or getting
hit by any other mechanic that's not the go rattle coil slam, that spawns the Rawling,
but if you get hit by anything else that spawns a Viper, and these Viper's they put an hour
long dot onto your raid, and they just basically end up taking you out. Now there is another
ad, the Mythic ad here, which is in the middle of the room, it's the Light Skill
Wretch, and what this ad does is it spawns a bubble that looks kind of like an AMZ
every so often, and all of the Raiders have to get inside of it. It was originally
thought that you wanted to kill this as fast as possible and not deal with the mechanics
because stacking up while carrying the egg and dealing with the wretch is kind of annoying.
But as it turns out the Fester Burst just doesn't do that much damage and you can kind
of either...
It does nothing if you're inside of the bubble, yeah.
Yeah, but it's normally the enraged Fester Burst that's kind of dangerous and even
then it seems like it's easier to mechanic.
It'll kill you if you're outside the bubble.
It does nothing if you're inside of it, I think.
So it's all about the difficulty of whether you can stack inside of it.
It's actually that first Fester Burst that you're stacking.
Or sorry this one coming up here where you're stacking with the eggs inside of it before the coils
And that's hard
But you already have to be stacked with the eggs because it's about to be time for the coil. So right so yeah
It's actually inside even this one
They already did that hard one and now we're gonna have one that you're stacking in but nobody's carrying an egg here
Right so yeah, you just get inside you're bringing it to the boss and then this is going to be the burn
How low can we get the boss on this burn here 65 percent?
65 is great news
I think 65-8 has been their previous best, but they were at 68% whenever we were watching
a bunch of their attempts yesterday.
So the fact that they just woke up this morning, they ate a nice breakfast, and they're pushing
the boss so much lower.
That's incredible.
Yeah.
And wow, look at this, 65%.
Oh, a new PB on the boss.
A new PB on that burn.
5.5, right?
This is an exciting territory, and already we know.
Just got to get to the end of the fight with everybody alive.
We've got to just be doing a couple more very very hard execution overlaps and then the rest is actually pretty chill
We're already through probably more than half of the difficulty of this fight
Most of the remainder is concentrated in this phase at the same time this there's still seven minutes remaining
Oh, yeah, that's the wild part about this fight is those first three minutes are just so hectic the next three minutes
Also super hard here come those tether breaks that we are gonna have our AMZ for here comes the first one
Maybe yeah, there's a singleton and now getting an AMZ down that we can start moving into as we break the remainder here
You want to press every single defensive here?
This is where the rogues are actually in a lot of danger of all the specializations
We see the rogues lose their cheap death here
It really kind of depends on darkness RNG a little bit like KSB has found a way to start holding his cloak for that as well
Which is really smart because previously. Yeah, that was very common that we'd see him cheat there
Oh
Being able to save your clothes there is just tremendous news. All right
Looks like they're getting all of the eggs deposited
We don't have that viper you buff again if you ever see like a green yoke you buff just know that a wipe is imminent
Yeah, it's again. You could maybe prog for a little bit of P3 with one
Yeah, I think if everything else is perfect about P3 you could spawn a viper towards the end and kill it a
Viper in P2 it's over. All right. No reasonable way look at Nick here. He's gonna be running and grabbing that doom scale
He's been utilizing his deep breath for movement.
Oh look at that, he's getting it again, the deep breath for movement.
And he's standing on top of that egg, grabbing it at the perfect time.
We're going to be spawning these weakened Doom Scales, getting focuses set on them
so that we can actually land the kicks as we need to.
And a few Rawlings as well coming in, but yeah, they're the orders to land a focus.
And we've got the players now, unfortunately hopefully he's down.
Two batters available though and no Yoke debuff, so that means no Viper has spawned.
This is absolutely great still. Honestly, that's wings for lit, baby. That's good.
His damage setup might be a bit bad on spots now.
Yeah, I think it would probably be okay, because you're probably holding everything for this anyways.
I don't think there were too many setup globals for Arcade anymore either.
Oh crap. Yeah, but now we're having the second damage burn.
We're looking at about sub 45 is the marker that we're looking for.
I think that they were a little bit below that, were they like 44 and a half last time?
Yeah, 44 points something was the best we've seen on the end of this burn.
They're blowing past that 42. Wow. Oh my god 42.1. Alright this boss is getting absolutely
melted by Team Liquid. Here come the spawn of eggs for the intermission. Gotta break these out
while also making sure we get in all these coils. There's some incentive to get the eggs into the
early coils, but it's hard to break them out in time to do that. The coils are kind of an
easy mechanic during this intermission. You know where you need to go the entire time
because there's only three set patterns. And so once you see where the first two coils spawn,
you know immediately where to go. You can see that on screen here, hopeful there
has already the markers pre-assigned. But yeah, we got a viper there. Unfortunate series of events
for liquid. I think somebody probably walked on top of it. It was probably a collision. Yeah,
that's one of the main ways you can spawn viper there. The other way is if you die while carrying
an egg. But there aren't any waves to spawn viper there. So yes, if you die while carrying
an egg, if you touch the water while carrying an egg, or if you run on top of somebody else
carrying an egg those are the three only ways to make a viper in that intermission
which as I feel like as the fight progresses you have like a less physical
room to be able to do that yeah that hallways and then into the teeny tiny
platforms the platforms are I think that phase three is just way easier than
yeah so face you never actually have to carry an egg is the funny yeah the egg
mechanic is ridiculous the hardest mechanic of the fight which is
carrying the egg and dodging everything with it and then getting it into a
a coil slam to actually turn it into a rolling. That mechanic doesn't exist in Phase 3. In
Phase 3 you just have to grip some of those slithering clutches and DPS them down, which
in a lot of ways is easier than Heroic. In Heroic you can't grip them. You got to just
target them with the range damage. You can get ones in the back of the room, but on
Mythic you can grip them up and cleave them down.
Do you ever get any word as to whether or not the water got hot?
I haven't seen anything about a hot. I'm still trying to stay updated on the
and wowhead, you know, news pages.
So if there is anything, don't worry.
I'll be the first to let you know.
Yeah, nothing so far still.
It drastically changes, like what you.
It would change the strat at the end of this fight
by a lot if there were to be a hot fix.
But yeah, nothing is yet live
that would change how you can do the end of this fight.
Echo at 1.2%, us at 16%.
Oh my gosh, we'll put two percent.
Why does this always happen?
It's every tier.
I don't know.
My heart.
I mean, it's great for like an entertainment perspective.
Yeah, it's a good standpoint. It's been how many tears like this where we're neck and neck three
Yeah, the last three have all featured at least a day of this for the last two and then this won't be the third
Yeah, this is the third one before that was the
Galliwix was
Interesting because mugsy was really closer than yeah galley which was like
It was a troll job over in a few hours. Yeah, that was a that was a strange one for sure. Really weird to you
Alright, well, hole number 305, that was a rare case of an intermission wipe, I'd say.
That's gotta be something that needs to be pretty rare, because the intermission, getting
there is hard, doing P3 is not necessarily hard, but it's something we have low experience
on, right?
It's something that we might need some reps on.
So an intermission wipe is like one of the worst feeling things to get.
It costs you a lot of time, but you haven't actually seen P3, and it's not that hard
It's not as hard to be one or key to so very frustrating time to white. Okay, so max since yori both informed that that hot
Fixes our ink, okay liquid decided that they're not going to use the cheese strategy to be safe and then
Boomi said let's do it correctly. No cheese and then the field agreed like her
Viper spawn and a resetting boss here in just a second. Let's do
Because you don't want you don't want the possibility
You don't want to be doing a draft and just going to get a hotfix?
Yeah, they decided not to do the thing that Echo is doing.
So I wonder if we start to see Echo fall suit as well?
Or maybe they think they can kill it before the hotfix is going up?
Can you imagine?
Look, Blizzard has already proven that they can't hotfix the European servers.
That's true. Yeah, exactly. They're immune over there.
That would be so shit.
The closer shadows the hotfix.
That would be such a silly way for this to end.
They had AMS up when the hotfix was replied.
Yeah, it's funny as well, because last time we saw Liquid there in that last phase,
because it did look like they were still doing the,
I'm not sure which part of the cheese is getting changed
because there's sort of two mechanics
that everybody is doing unintentionally
in that last phase, right?
One is the venom being removed from players,
which you're not supposed to just triple-sap that, right?
There's a mechanic in place that says,
if you do this, you take way more damage,
but then they're just immuneing it
and having tanks do it and it's fine.
So that is a mechanic that Blizzard might want to hot fix.
And the other one they might want to hot fix
jumping into the green well before the end of the fight.
That one they have ways they could make do more damage,
like they could make the rage cast hit you way harder
if you're in the green while it's happening.
And that would be a way that would still preserve
the jumping off after that when the slam hits at the end
as a really cool way for the fights to actually conclude.
I think that would have been a good change
to make like two days ago, a day ago.
I think at this point, if I was Blizzard,
I wouldn't be touching this boss.
I feel like it is way too close to a kill,
but we can see a little bit of a look inside the pro lab here.
Got a little break timer, four minutes.
They're gonna be walking around,
getting their nerves out of their system,
unless they're changed feet.
T.S. took no nerves in his system.
He told me he was nervous this morning.
He's got pure steel.
This is a lot of things, Settles.
They do have their jerseys on.
They do, yeah.
They try to sink.
You know, they think that it's a good day
when they've got all their jerseys on.
That's how you know it's kill day.
It was when they burned their jerseys.
Also, somebody said EUBLiz employees
are probably not even in the office right now.
doubt they will hotfix. Not quite how that works. I don't think Blizzard employees have
to do that. I've said a lot of things in defense of like given the fact that last week we had
a hotfix that wasn't applied over there. Oh my god, a big hug. I don't think there's
any way to know. That is nice. Yeah, if anybody missed it earlier this week, it was a trap.
was it last week they they sent out a hot fix it only made it to North America
servers so they that was so you ain't it yeah they yoinked this so maybe that guy
is right maybe maybe employees do have to I'm not not entirely sure how it works
but I don't pretend to know ball yeah could be yeah I think the LCS players
are back in the building now I think they were expecting that they would
get this facility all to themselves by now from Mexico City.
They're like, they're still. Yeah, they're back up.
We're serious. Hey, welcome. Yeah.
But I know I know that, uh, they, like, they would say follow along, I hope so.
I know at least Dota was was excited.
Yeah, following along with the, uh, the league team when they were down in
Mexico City. Yeah. Yeah.
They did pretty well.
And shifts. Yeah. Yeah.
That team looking really good this year.
Anybody looking for a second e-sport to follow after, uh, after the race
year is done. Check out the LCS. Check out liquids team there. Got got some
bangers. It surprises me how many liquid guild fans aren't aware that team
liquid is a is an organization like you know a broader organization than just a
liquid guild. So that is actually a good call out if you you know are
interested in other e-sports. We've got some other teams. They're great. Check
them out. Not just a wild guild. Here is a look at the the path that we took
to get here. If you look there's there's some symmetry there right
went 1, 3, 2, 3, 1, right? So if we want to make it fully symmetrical, we need to not get top 3 on ULTEC,
and then we'd have a nice, you know, symmetry between lost explorers and ULTEC.
I'm just like looking at the top right, looking at the the rankings on these, that would make the
graphic the prettiest. I think a 1 there would also look pretty good though, I will admit.
This race is insane. It has been extremely insane. Like, we show up, and I think that
that we kind of all assumed that the race was maybe going to be a little bit
easier than anticipated with the fact that we're so close to blizzcon it seems
like unlikely that blizzard was gonna like really amp up the race and then
we got this impromptu heroic week and then it was like okay that was crazy and
then we got one of the hardest if not the hardest penultimate but probably
just only one of the hardest penultimate fights ever with the coil
alter yeah taking over 300 attempts I think it's like second most in
attempt it is behind a couple but in terms of time it's yeah it's behind like
fallout avatar tindrel yeah here's going to take a poop go I don't think so
there's no break time he's going back to the pro lab yeah there's okay yeah oh
fist bump from a shot that's powerful a shine of wolf disco been sitting on the
bench recently trying to figure out the if they're in the eye play no imagine
just having to sit around and wait so you can practice. Look, he's got to be also full of nerves.
He just, he can't do anything about it. Yeah.
Hopeful fired up tobo.
Yeah, hanging out there. Hello.
How you doing? This race have been extremely weird.
It has been a very bizarre one, but the light at the end of the tunnel is not just there.
It is now glaringly bright.
We are so close to the conclusion of this, but it's going to have to be still a perfect pole,
Especially in P1 a perfect P1 followed by a perfect P2
Followed by a good P3 and then we're home. But the good news is that it's killed a
It is killed a boss will die today for somebody somewhere in the world
Or else it's gonna get even weirder and that's the thing this race has been so weird so far. I
Mean, I feel like it just has to be killable very soon here, but you know
Well, who does decide to push a funny hot fix we could push those lights back again
No, I just checked in, you can't do that. I picked my seat
I've got a nice aisle seat towards the front of the plane
Ooh, you're an aisle seat enjoyer
I am an aisle, for shorter flights
I think I have an old window gang
If it's a flight where I want to sleep, I will try and get window
But if it's like a short flight, I'll do aisle
Okay, so whenever they say that they're pushing hot fixes
Yeah
Are they pushing hot fixes to stop them standing in the water?
Or are they pushing hot fixes to stop them stacking the venom depuff?
That's a good question. I don't have any comfort. Does anybody know I'm sure the Twitch chat can make something up with confidence
Oh, that's good information from a from Ethan that's watching Max's stream that's watching all the reader stream
Okay, do you know I think it has to be the water right can be the I feel like the water is the most
Like unintended part of it. I think both are unattended. Yeah
Yeah, water okay, yeah, whatever we want to go the chip
That was one of the Moonekins, yeah, he's in.
Alright, full timer, break is over, gobbledy.
Getting ready to go again.
You can tell how good the last pull was by how high the Moonekins are on the damage meters.
If it was a P1 wipe, they're going to be looking great.
If it was a nice deep pull, they're not going to be on the meters.
Hey, that would be a fun mini game we play, like you take a screenshot of just the damage
meters and we can guess how far the pull it was.
For some reason we need more fill content in this race.
It's so funny, like, everybody, I'll always say everybody, there were some people that
were like why is Moon King getting a 4% buff on the reset?
And then meanwhile you look at their damage to the boss and it is catastrophically low.
Obviously they're saving all of their cooldowns to be able to break the eggs, and so they're
kind of required in that way which is a little bit weird.
But it's super funny that they're just so bad at like doing everything on the boss
except for exactly breaking these eggs that are spread 30 yards apart.
Yeah, it is funny how many like buffed specs are in the, you know, world-first end boss compared to usual usually
It's like you see one or two of them, but this time we got havoc that was also terminology
Demonology was buffed last week. Yeah, we count them if we count last week as well
We've also got the rat buffs. Yeah, and then you've also got peace. He's been in them now
Yeah, when he was playing BM though that that got a very substantial buff on the reset
But yeah, I guess it was deserved because mm is still so edging out for a little bit reservation evoker got buffed a long time ago
Yeah, that was that was not in the last two weeks. That was a start of season, right? Oh
You're right. That was the start of season. Yeah. Oh my goodness. That was the time
Well, yeah, it was like the the notes that they posted on the 15th or whatever
Yeah, it wasn't one of the ones that was done after the raid had already been pulled. You're absolutely right
Oh my goodness
Yeah, they posted a bunch of hot
I like that they buffed a lot of specs, but no nerfs. Yeah, no nerfs is I mean
Hey, you know a lot of those backs that people thought we're gonna need nerfs like arms warrior for instance
You only got one in here, I go up too.
I guess the question is like, what dictates a specialization also meeting an Earth?
Is it how stackable it is on the in-boss?
Yeah, that's the question, because I feel like Prezavokar, right?
Like you could revert the buff that was given to them pretty reasonably,
and that's back as doing a lot of HVS, but even then, there's only two of them in.
Yeah.
Not sacking any more than that.
I mean, Liquid loaded in on Coiled Alter with four mages and three warriors,
and thought that that was going to be the best strategy it wasn't,
But they thought it was going to be which is I think that's a testament to the fact that major warrior both insanely good
Okay to backtrack
What is the non-cheese strategy of the final moments of p3 in the at the very end of p3?
Yeah, how they're envisioning that we do that is
Separate into three groups to soak the venom down
Yeah, and then spread on that final platform
They probably are anticipating that like you jump in the water for a second tanks or immune players stack on top of each other
and or go in the water, but, you know, there's maybe like 15 reasonable safe spots on a single
platform if you play it perfectly, so you have like five people that are stacked or in
the water if they're tanky or immuneing, and then you resolve those waves, and then
you dodge and burn the boss on the platform while dodging waves, while dodging brown
circles, while surviving the massive ticks of rage damage, and then at the very end
of that cast, you jump off right before the platform gets exploded and you do the
final half a percent to a percent in the water that I think is the in the brain of
the you know the original intent that's how that's supposed to look yeah it
actually looks is you stack all three of the venoms with a couple people with
immune and then everybody else jumps in the water and like four people are
shooting out waves and then everybody is pretty much in the water or they're
melee and dodging on the main platform if they hot fix the water then it's
still going to be three players with Venom's stack.
It probably would be, yeah.
Yeah, and then you're going to have
to dodge the waves as an entire group while also.
So it's going to be like both wave dodges, right?
It's going to be the boss wave dodge and the dodge
from depositing the Venom.
Yeah, at least then you could probably still
do those all on the same side.
So you know that you're dodging from one side first,
and then you're dodging the other ones.
But it would be tough for sure.
And you got to remember you can't do any sacrifice
strategies on those Venoms because it does still kill you.
They were like five seconds faster than killing the warden.
Yeah, warden got absolutely melted this time around.
There's passion damage.
Exactly.
Passion damage as you know that the boss starts getting killable
and you know that you've got to put a nice rank one up on Warcraft Logs.
Oh my goodness.
It would be crazy if they came back from a five minute break
and just zapped the boss.
I hate no reason they couldn't.
There's the only thing that stands between us and victory
is Viper Viper's boss.
As long as we can avoid those,
there's not really much else left that we haven't figured out.
And hotfix that we don't know if exists or not.
And the majority of it is hotfix.
Nebulous hotfix that may or may not come.
Yeah.
The hotfix that was only discussed in Discord channels.
Yeah.
Are we refreshing Wild Head?
I'm looking around.
There is a post on the radar IO coverage that says,
I mean, it's basically just reporting the same here,
say, as us, right?
It's from Mac to Stream, though.
It sounds as if Blizzard are working to fix the scuba
strap that Bo Dekko and Liquid are using in phase three.
But they will not penalize guilds who kill the boss with that trap before their fix is live.
Ooh. That is a insanely cryptic thing to tell people.
Yeah.
Duh, duh, duh.
I don't even see it like that.
That's awesome.
And look man, some tears you got a regular race and some tears you got the venomous thing.
It was a little dot, dot, dot at the end of that because I feel like that would have been fitting.
Bloodlust has been pressed. We're looking for sub 45%.
I think the last time they were there it was like 42 and they were blowing way past that 40% even hit here.
What in the world? We got some insane passion damage this far.
All right, when is it time to hold?
It's already time to hold.
All right.
It's time to stay very calm, to stay perfectly still, and to not spook the boss at all.
We are just absolutely slowly walking, approaching the boss.
So what they're going to try to do is sit down, sit down, chat.
Yep, they got to break the shields on all these eggs.
Then they have to pick up their egg and bring it into this coil slam to be able to spawn a rawling while not walking over any of their friends that are also carrying the egg.
Inability to be able to carry these eggs and not walk over your friend will spawn a fight, which as we know will wipe them.
Alright, we've got the last few of those now being spawned in the corner. Anybody else still carrying an egg? I don't think so.
So that last slam is resolved safely, stacking up near the middle now.
I'm holding.
All of our Rawlings and up we go. Two Battle Rezes available. The boss already at 40% HP.
Here we go. It is time for the biggest burn that we can get over the next few minutes.
Yeah, this is so low on the boss and now the strategy for this phase.
What's gonna happen is they're gonna get these venom debuffs these red circles
They're gonna have stacked them up as three players, then they're going to try to soak down that entire debuff
There's also these clutch adds that get gripped onto this platform
They need to die in time if they end up getting contacted by the waves
They will spawn a viper which is basically just imminent wiping. Yeah
You could maybe survive a Viper in this phase, but it would not be good. It would be very very bad news
That being said if their damage is so phenomenal
There are the soaps being done over on that marker over on the left all the players that are affected here are gonna pop
Immunes or be tanks so they can live the extra stacks that dramatically increase the damage you take otherwise
But yeah, you can see everybody that got any of that venom is needing to spread and avoid pointing those waves at the ray
Oh, they got a Viper! No, the clutch didn't get gripped under the platform!
Okay, so we have one Viper. Now this is maybe survivable.
Driny is dead, does have Onk available, and elects to use that instead of a Battle Res.
They think this pool is worth playing for a while. Oh, Zevi's dead. Zevi drops Angel form.
No more players though starting to go down. We have a dive bomb here.
We have enough resins to maybe keep this going a little while longer.
A tank does need to get in there. No! Unfortunately, we've had a couple of ticks of that beam go in to the Wretch.
Which means that it is going to be empowered here.
We get back to that main platform, but is it going to be possible to get over the finish line?
One more beer as will be available before the end of this encounter and the boss is so low. It's
Inside the wretch bubble. I mean honestly, you can maybe so play this it's definitely so worth continuing this poll
We have three people now all getting that venom removed the wretch even though slightly empowered is actually still not going to
Do much except to the tanks who are absolutely getting beat up for the remainder of this phase
little bit more venom to remove as we get into that front left spot and oh no it is
all over the venom yeah the calcified corpse debuff is gonna take everybody out
there as we didn't quite get the venom removed maybe somebody who's supposed to
be in that wasn't quite inside that soak the full uptime it's hard to stay in
that triple soak while also moving to dodge the waves but wow that was a
a banger of a damage crash.
Chad, you guys are going to un-hold now.
Un-hold.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
Clench.
Do we want to do a little breathing again?
I'm not feeling good.
Yeah?
We're feeling good?
It's a sprint.
It's the finish line's in sight.
We can breathe when we're done.
Do you think we chain pull?
I just heard the ding.
I think we're pulling again.
Well, I will stand.
Chain pull, I think that there is some stuff
to talk about, like, why did that clutch get
left on the last platform?
Yeah, especially because that's
in a consistent point where a viper has spawned. So figuring out what we can do to make that
not happen, especially if we're that far ahead on Boston.
I wonder if you missed a mass grip to get over.
Maybe. I mean, that is the hardest. It's again paradoxical. P3, the grips are hardest at
the start of the phase, and they get much easier towards the end as you don't have
those extra platforms. So the two sets of grips that you have to deal with when
you are on the four-platform phase of the fight is the hardest set for the death
You see it, you see it, but also Scott, like jumping to other platforms to grip them, maybe.
Yeah, if you aren't able to get them under the boss, the difference of a couple of yards,
either way, could be the difference between them getting cleaved by certain abilities
and not getting cleaved by certain abilities, so that could be the culprit here as well.
I think it may have also been one of the shot-out waves from somebody soaking a horse.
It was a clutch that got left on the right side of the platform.
And it made it to the water?
It didn't even make it to the water, it just got...
It was just there?
Far side one that got gripped onto the second platform, but then didn't get gripped in the melee.
Maybe not in mass range, barely, or something like that.
That's what I was thinking, it was like, it wasn't in mass range.
Yeah, maybe a typhoon that needs to land on it or something to bring it the rest of the way there.
That would...
That'd be fun, but yeah, it's absolutely possible.
That is the sort of thing that you do with those, although they have enough death knights that they might be able to just get another grip on it.
I think it's just like...
Like, I think that the intended strategy is probably something with mass grip.
I think that what you were kind of describing is likely here.
Yeah, but the problem with mass grip is that it is a... it's very powerful, but the range is surprisingly short.
Could they not use anything else like ring of peace you could I mean yeah, there's a lot of ways
Yeah, you can knock it over the lap once
Yeah, you got to make sure that it actually goes over like it lands at the venom it does have ring of peace kind of like
Out it's not very yeah
Do it, but I feel like typhoon would be better if you were trying to take something out of the grip
Typhoon seems evoker a little hover over and wing buffet
Typhoon is worrying because of what you described though about like if you mess it up you just immediately spawn a
Yeah, I mean obviously the best would be grips
You've got four of them that need to be controlled
But one of them is already on the platform you want
So you only need three to get gripped over but one of them probably does need two grips the far one
So you need to make sure that those side ones get gripped close enough to be in mass grip range with just that first death grip
And there is some variants associated with where those eggs will spawn right they could spawn at the front of those platforms
platforms or at the back and depending on which one you get, that might not be in the
perfect death grip range to get into mass grip range.
Full timer.
Oh, yep, pre-potioning.
Okay.
Yeah, it's got a little bit of this.
This is probably liquid luster, right?
And then it's already a fairly weak position beforehand.
Oh yeah, look at this.
It's 18 seconds left.
So when you think about the encounter, right, the second pot could be with lust then.
Oh, that's it.
Or the end of P2.
And that burns at like 445 or something.
And then you get the final pot at the end of the fight.
So the end of this fight, it's like 9.44 is when the last burn starts, so if you pot
enough before the pull, you could get a pot into that window as well.
Is extremely sweaty but extremely cool.
Especially for a tank to do who's not even going to be hitting the boss much at the start
here, he's just out there hitting an egg.
He's literally just hitting an egg.
But sometimes it's nice to feel included as part of the team when you're a tank
and to do the same pots that the DPS are doing, even though it doesn't matter.
Yeah.
Bro, that's just like wasting gold, no?
Wow minus 300 gold a little bit versatility though makes you need a little bit less healing you're yeah, then your healers gets you one extra damage global
Okay, if you wanted a little bit more versatility wouldn't you use a burst last yeah, I could do but you also want a little haste too, okay?
You guys bigger like an old Mary
Thank you. Thank you
Got the first set of
Dodges here, so this one is actually one of the easiest ones in the fight that they're gonna deal with right now
now. This one we don't even need to worry about any eggs there present in the way. Now
we got to get in for an ad soak under boss. You can see everybody playing over there except
the tank that is running to go and grab that tail. There's that explosion. The boss is
still low on that last friend. It was. It was an impressive amount of damage leveraged
there by Team Liquid. Would have been very, very killable. Like I think to think it's
70 to the end. Yeah. You could have a couple deaths even, but not unfortunately
a couple of vipers. Alright second retch spawn and egg spawn now being DPS down, group happily
in the middle there, star falling away. This is nice because with that retch spawning in
the middle you have a target to continue to like use your builders on where it's like
always consistently going to be there as opposed to the eggs that may die off on you. So
being able to have that retch there is nice for group damage but now the retch is spawning
and everybody is carrying the egg. This is the easiest part of the fight to spawn
the Viper on. Yeah, this is the crucial dodge shack though with a kind of easy job here. He's just a
very front melee. Even still, you can see things getting a little bit hairy there but not too bad.
Nothing like some of the ranged dodges that you have to do and able to just keep doing damage.
That's a cool I-beam. He's in the boss's hitbox and so he's able to hit the boss with the I-beam
while also hitting that wretch there. Another wave coming through that special
boil so just in time and no vipers this time around. Inside that wretch bubble everybody
goes and the boss about to enter the first rage of the shackled cast the venomous heart the main
target here and even goop the aoe mastermind does focus that down although you know a few starfalls
still out for good measure of course he is star surging but he doesn't press his end card here
and i think that that's kind of the notable damage yeah i gotta hold that yeah i think i think
he's holding one for like the it's like one for the side and then one for the mission yeah i think
I think that's what he does
That Wretch needs to die and down it does go
Ulotec at 66% health
Okay, not bad
Not our best, but certainly still killable
Yeah, I think the best is what 64 or something
Yeah, we've seen 64 I believe
without Lust and 61 with Wisp
What is the damage difference there?
That's a wide variance
That's 30%
What causes the damage variance there?
It crits
It could be crits
You never know that's just a wide variance as well. It is yeah
I mean sometimes just people are in a spot where they don't have to move as much right you get brown circles spotting under you
You're forced to cancel a cast yeah
Sometimes you just are you know that that time to retch live for a while as well
So there might have been a few bubbles that needed to go into it that otherwise wouldn't have although
I you know you think that a retch surviving might even be good for boss damage because it might mean more funnel
Yeah, yeah, we are gonna see that five stack now with stood by like with the final
Oh, Cindy said.
Unfortunately going to take down Ciny.
The B-Rez is available for him though,
so they should be able to get him.
You can see Goop letting that res now,
and then Ciny needs to go and grab that egg to his left.
Goop in a lot of danger
is going to have to enter that bear form.
He's able to bring the egg to the cauldron though.
Are they okay?
Now moving to the other side.
So this cost him a little bit of time,
but they were decently ahead of the check
before on this one.
I don't know how much damage Ciny lost
as a result of that death.
That might be a breaker here.
Ciny has like the carry on this side.
He does by far the most damage.
He probably was done doing damage mostly by that point because he probably wasn't going
to be sending any major cooldowns here.
I can't imagine losing all of your incentives like a particularly great thing.
No, it's not great, but I think if you could choose a time for the Shadow Priest to die,
it was probably about then.
Yeah.
We're going to see these last couple of eggs taken care of if you want.
It's still fun.
It's still fun.
Yeah, still sounds playable.
Goop going to hit the disengage into the drain.
Don't worry about that.
Don't worry about that.
That happens.
And then grabs the focus.
All right.
And going to be gating back over.
here in a couple of seconds we're gonna see bloodlust being deployed the boss we
want it to be sub 45% blast hole we saw it to be 42 that was the best push we're
probably gonna ever see I think if they hit a 45% here it's still absolutely
no range absolutely yeah all right so we are gonna see all these zoom scales
under the boss now a lot of waves dodge as well as these ground circles another
death does come out on Sydney there there is another battle res though so we
can get it back up and this is really bad for the wings thank you very much
much much appreciated. I mean this is that is a huge loss. Hey it's okay I think
still may be playable what are we looking at on boss H40 here? 44? Don't mind it.
We've made up some. Yeah damage still there. Still absolutely in range to get
this one killed. Yeah but now all of their wiggle room is gone. Yeah I think
that's how it is until the nine minute marker so we can get one more person
up for the final burn but if we're perfect from here this could still
very well be it whenever I said no wiggle room it's no wiggle room with
battle res but also no wiggle room with DPS they're basically have to have a
perfect final phase damage wise to be able to even beat the boss that means
that they can't even like 19 or 18 man the final platform instead they have
to have everybody alive damage is going to have to be excellent so we are
gonna see the final coil slam here no vipers a good sign and all the
Rawlings gathered near the middle it's time to hold it is indeed time
once again to hold we get sent up into the air and bullet tech going to be
entering this final phase submerges and then visits the side there it's over on
the right hand side it's a little bit unfortunate that's a low roll a little
bit more damage loss as there's a lot of movement to get over here we would have
loved it to be on the opposite side of the room the call of the serpent now
spawning four of these mobile egg clusters these slithering clutches
that are gonna be grippable and you need to get gripped in the CTHT
turning around and starting to target that one this could be a nice mass grip
angle and there it is and this set dealt with well ahead of the check
It's the second set of clutches in this phase that we got to look out for red circles out to the left onto that circle world marker
And they are joined by a couple of players with amunes and as tanks
He just put more people in there than usual you just put up the life on all those Rawlings to put weakness on hey
They beat up your tanks. They they do yeah, I mean that's that's a really smart play by teaching
Okay, so this this this is the set that we've been spawning vipers on yes
There's the master of all four in one more slidering clutch and it is
Beaten before the waves do come out.
This is looking great here.
Now they have to dodge out of the way of the waves.
And now the tentacle is going to come down,
slam, and break this platform.
The HD maneuvering over to the left-hand side of the platform,
waiting for a good opportunity,
and then jumping over the circling gray cast does.
And everybody is safely on the next platform.
Boss feels low enough.
It does. Now we see that BlightScale Wretch,
the mythic ad spawning in this phase,
being soaked over inside there,
that beam not contacting the Wretch,
which is good news.
and Scott returns now to the main platform.
They'll be bringing in this mythic ad and they will have to contend with its bubbles,
but they don't actually overlap with too many other mechanics here.
It looks scary with these red soaks, but you get a decent bit of time,
especially because you're doing this triple stack,
you get them out on the right,
and everybody that needs to is already in there,
helping to soak down those bubbles.
It looks like the people that are targeted with it are,
it looked like a malarcus trill, trill and fired up.
Yes, it can be fired up, but it has to be a healer, right?
Healer in there. Yeah, so I might be driving that has it for the healer team
They are all gonna dodge and once we shoot these waves out
It's gonna be time to visit that next platform
This was the overlap that you might remember from heroic where everybody has a green circle at the time this happens
Doesn't happen on that thing you just get in here, and then you get inside this wretch look at this the wretches
It's fine. It's just leave just leave it up. Just make sure that you're in the faster guy
That's our friend. We just get to take that with us for the rest of the fight and you know
keep some shadow pains on it. Here's an extremely difficult part of the fight.
You're going to have two of the screamers coming in. They need to be focused
down. Right. They after 30 seconds are going to enrage. They're going to be
pulsing on your entire raid for a bunch of AoE damage and so they have to
actually be able to focus down these Shriekers putting as much damage into
them as possible while also thinking about how much damage they're putting
on to Ulta. All right here comes the next set of waves. This is going to be
an easy dodge over the left. The ping does come down to help indicate that
as well and yeah these Shriekers do need to die before they enrage. It
will dynamically update that dot they put on everybody and absolutely murder you if they aren't taken care of, but they are beaten well ahead of that check.
Now, our mother's wrath does come out and our battle res is back. The next circle of grey cast means we have to jump to the final platform.
The boss is low. The pushes were pretty bad, but the boss is still well low enough. We need to see 20 players alive to the end of the fight.
They are going to be getting a 200% damage here. The potion is going to be available from the pre-potion earlier.
How much DPS is Liquid going to be able to do here?
Alright, this is the final set of mechanics.
We get these red circles up to the very front of the room
and soaking these with our muting and tank players.
Unfortunate waves here, actually very fortunate.
Those are great waves.
Those are great waves in the middle, so we don't even have to move to dodge.
I didn't even see that save spot.
That is absolutely perfect, though.
And here comes the final in range of the fight.
We get the last burn.
Nice dodge.
And everybody dodging over on the left here.
We're not even hopping into that water.
No calcified corpse.
Yeah, we've got to do a little dodge over there.
We've got an angel form as well, but that is totally fine.
The boss absolutely melting.
Every single cool down in the game being sent here all defensive all offensive
We need to jump into the water at the very end
Alienware world first kill who a tech has died five times in a row
We woke up this morning the boss was at 35% phase 3 looked easier than we anticipated and liquid did it
Oh my god, they have a further solidified their dynasty in race to world first history drat nose
16% to zero in a single pole
At all the first time we got there on a clean burn that was all we needed the damage from team liquid was just absolutely
Absurd every single boss heart push we saw they were just doing so much and the sustained damage in p3 was absolutely
absolutely incredible as well.
Man, this was this was a tough tier 17 days.
These guys deserve so much credit for
putting up with what they put up with every single.
I mean every single player in this race.
They have put up with so much difficulty,
so much like stuff in the beginning.
We've three resets.
This was almost as long as Supple Kerr and just as much of
a slog with the amount of stuff that they had to deal with.
And they made it here to the end.
They still got a victory.
high to get that win and what a redemption as well when we think back to sepulchre the previous long race where yeah
Yeah, these fell apart
14 liquid and that one this time around the longest race in five years and we are able to clutch it out
or a greater 17 days of a marathon here the final sprint a couple hours in the morning of
Perfect play they look in disbelief. Yeah, I mean it just died down it goes
We've we've been handed some goodies as well. Maybe we'll be
spoiling it in a minute. But in the meantime, we're looking at everybody celebrate. Man, I haven't been here on the cast in a win in a little bit. It's kind of it's kind of lonely over here.
You guys are good luck charms. I was starting to think I was a bad luck charm. I was like, man, I should I should be off the off the desk 11 at one for casting. Yeah, good golly.
It really is kind of my favorite part of the race when we get to see these moments right
here.
I mean, you're really going to just see like their shoulders are relaxed.
There's a sigh of relief in the air and they get to just celebrate the all of the hard
work that they've done and it paying off right now.
As you can see, just a happy relief that they are.
I mean, eight days of splits right gearing up.
But before that months and months of preparation, testing on the PTR learning how to get
this boss down. Years of optimizing this guild has led to a fifth world first in a row, DHD
in the dance into the camera.
Is that a fortnight dance?
I think it might have been a fortnight dance.
Fist bumping the camera guy, let's go.
We don't have to revoke our flights!
Dude!
We don't have to revoke our flights!
We don't have to revoke our flights!
I get to save my aisle seat.
No worries!
Incredible!
Oh man.
The hikes put it out and the, wow, I mean what a strange way, a strange end
to an already strange tier this is one we are going to be talking about for years to
come and we've got the merch to commemorate it as well.
Dude I got a maximum jersey this thing is vintage goodness.
Look at that.
This entire tier we could say man I wish there was a shirt that had the you know the essence
of the bounce pad and they made a jersey out of it.
These are the coolest winter shirts I think we've made to date.
This is so cool.
That's right.
back say on it it's it's got a V for Venomous Abyss or yes in ancient Amani
culture that also means five five which is the amount of world first in a row
that Team Liquid have now won it is crazy as well because the last few days as
well Echo have been playing so well so incredibly well like so white
serving in competition as well wait did the hotfix not go in no the hotfix did
not make it in but we didn't use it they didn't even use it in the water
They were just standing on that last platform.
Couple people you know you could see kind of going in for a tick,
but everybody was staying on that main platform.
So they are playing it the way that it will need to if that hot
thick still goes in needs to take a swim.
No, no worries.
You've got the whole platform to play on.
Absolutely. Plenty of space.
Well, if you want to get these shirts in the jersey as well,
head on over to teal.gg slash rwf.
They definitely timed it correctly as well, wearing their jerseys.
You can see Zairoth right there wearing last year's winter shirt.
Also, what looking very nice? Oh, yeah, it's got
Yeah, that's look good he says yeah
He needed to inform the American
You see I said we identified that as well to be
Wow, that was I don't know what else to say dude
We said it was any full territory, but you were right. You thought it you thought it needed a couple of
Thought this was gonna be a little bit of an afternoon type of thing go ahead there it is our Alienware boss progress
the number one
hard fought on both the coil Dalter and Ullatec incredible competition that we saw on this one from echo and
Another win for us at the end a clutch
performance on the last boss there. Can we get a word from King Cobra?
No! How could they possibly defeat Ulotec? She told me this was her best strategy!
The snakes they were supposed to win! 17 days of snakes!
That's a lot of days of snakes. That's more days than we got of almost any other raid.
I think Ulotec can be proud of this one.
No! That she was supposed to win my family heirlooms!
Oh no.
They're gonna take the Coiled Isle from me!
The bank is calling! It's been foreclosed on!
Oh no. This is turning really tragic, I don't think that is.
It's really sad.
He busted down his home! But what do you want?
Like, we invaded his territory!
All right, well, congratulations to Team Liquid.
We're gonna take a look at that Alienware World First kill.
I mean, the boss is like Astro Pyslo.
It is a live-to-the-burn it dies situation.
To realize if you do that.
Now, may it focus.
Okay.
Right. Three, two, one.
Now, three, two, one.
Now, was that a 40 percent push?
Okay, yeah, fight for us. Yes, I'm the left I lose for me
Hills, thank you get in the pub
Yes for yelling
We were getting a bub into your egg pickups.
It is a left tail.
Go to your eggs, left wave, left, left.
There's one thing that's got it.
Backstab.
My bad spot.
Audrey.
Making it to our soak soon.
Three, two, one.
three, two, one, now.
Waves.
3, 2, 1, now.
Play it.
I need to use my big shield for now.
actually pick
for a sitting
I already
yeah I got him
so what next though?
I need to do all of this
twenty eight left in the phase
I have no grip shock, can I grip the CNA?
that's okay
I don't need
just like you know
My side is good. Picking up now. Going down Nick?
Break these eggs.
I have four seconds ready.
Counting in two.
Focus.
Damage Amp in 20.
Watch the right, watch the right shot, watch the shot.
Hot as you can.
Lusting here.
Be careful in rages.
Hit the heart in five.
Three, two, one, hit the heart.
Watch waves.
Watch waves.
Resonate now.
Three, two, one, good.
and then three two one final waves
three two one
and it's over in three two one the ads are definitely going to be high
don't hit the low hit the high ones tanks are raging soon in raging in three two
one now
there's the ads
you have go to your marks
all the first thing
get your spots get your spots
nice
First day we in three two one three two one
All right a set of two coming up again three two one
Three two one and then a quadruple
Three two one three two one three two one and three two one now
now.
Just hold tight on your land.
Lock in.
I'm locking this then.
Opposite side.
Okay.
Okay, eggs spawning now.
The red soaks are in 15, they will be going to the left.
Remember the next set of eggs need to be instantly gripped and instantly fucking killed.
Good red soaks are coming out in 3, 2, 1 red soaks left.
Okay, tanks, eggs are spawning in 5, faster scripts in the west.
Okay, eggs spawning now.
Waves are in 10.
Soaks are going off in three, two, one, spread.
Make sure none of them get hit by waves here.
And AOE, we're good. Dodge waves now, Natty. Dodge waves.
Dodge waves, dodge waves. And from the back after, from the back after as well.
Keep the rogues alive, focus on externals if needed.
Okay, platform breaking in four, three, two, one.
Yeah, I'm going to poke at the pocket of the room.
Yeah, I got you.
OK, this will be red soaks in 15.
That's all, because it's heavy, yeah.
Red soaks are in 10.
This will be red soaks to the right, and it's in the bubby.
Big boss.
If you do not get a red soak, you're left of the bubby.
If you get a red soak, you're on the right of the bubby.
Bubby's casting soon plus red soaks.
Red soaks right, and stay in the bub, though.
Back up.
Yeah.
He's in.
Nice.
Can you swap on the top?
Make sure it's in the tank, thank you, move it, move it, come on.
Yep, and then get ready for waves, guys.
Waves spotting in three, two, one, reds in the front.
It's on the right.
Get there, move, move, true, yep.
And you guys ready for any waves now?
Spread with waves.
Waves on the back.
Safe with waves, safe with waves.
Watch waves from the back, watch waves from the back.
Platform blowing up in three, do one.
Nice.
B, bubby, bubby.
B, bubby, yeah.
I'm going to need a back up at a long foot.
You know the rest we can just bosscott
We'll get the rest
We'll have the rest for you, right?
Yeah, we will
Vector the ADPS
Yeah, eggs here
Eggs plus shriekers
Yeah, I'll get the right shrieker
Hey, wades in 10
Focus the shriekers
Not bolstering?
Yeah, bubby here
No, we're good
Focus the shrieker Jack waves safe waves
Make sure the shriekers die where it's from the back of Lava is fixed by the way. Okay. Yeah, we're doing it now
Hey platform break is in 10. This will be Lincoln AMZ when it's time. Maybe we should see
Yeah, get over this is blowing up in four three
two one now
nice the red soaks are going to be like near the front right we want them to be
in front yes so red soaks just go like front ish here make sure it's not in the
way the tank mechanic though red soaks are three two one you guys go forward
kind of and now everyone get ready for waves when rush you're ready for waves
now it'll say it'll say now red circles red circles go right red
circles go right we go left red circles go right we go left damage
and four. Three, watch waves from the back. And watch waves from the right. Watch waves
from the right after. Watch waves. Watch waves from the right. It's fine, it's fine,
it's fine. Res Nick, Res Nick for you, right? Keep going, watch waves, just watch waves
on dodge. I'll probably use everything. Okay, we can come on boys, bomb them. Come
on. Come on.
I think it was a digital drop, you're going to hear that in the next couple of years.
laughing like the Joker as they kill the boss is iconic dude. I mean what can you do after after a race like that you know I
Don't know
He tweeted out that they can't keep getting away with this which is also did they actually extremely funny
Man if you hear a lot of noise also, I think we're taking a group photo over here
They're organizing they might be great at organizing in the raid, but this is always very fun to watch some of the people
that are the best in the world at controlling their characters.
Absolutely.
Not necessarily be as good at controlling
their limbs and their position in the room.
Yeah, you guys were here for this to your vote.
When we got a limo, we got a literally a stretched limo.
Not because it looked cool, but because we
had to take lots of raiders at the same time.
It was the only thing available.
Getting out of that was very interesting watching
those guys do that.
But yeah, if you hear a lot of chatter,
that's what's going on immediately to the left of us.
But I mean, what an incredible race.
Obviously, a lot of ups and downs, very long as well.
But overall, I still feel like Teddles had a great time.
Yeah, I mean, it was an interesting race.
I think the impromptu heroic week in the mythic splits
or it will be at least discussed for a very long time.
Surely, yeah.
I think it goes to show, you know, the race
world versus like it's like pizza, right?
Like, yeah, even if it's kind of bad,
even if there's things that you could criticize with it.
This one was it was long.
It was grueling.
But what a finish at the end on Oolitech,
as we can see all the Raiders gathering together.
Doing your best beautiful Alienware training facility sign so many tall people in this deal. Yeah, they're gonna just hear all the words
We got a ladder
Yeah, dude. We got Shaq in the back there as well. He doesn't have a ladder. He's actually
It's crazy that Shaq is six seven. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, he's a
Tim and KSP a lot well KSP is on the box
But Shaq Shaq actually isn't a little known fact that he's very tall, but yeah, you can see him
Taking that little victory photo dude that I was talking to the Raiders a little bit during the replay and he goes
Do you see how high the boss was and then they're like bro, Sydney died on lust whenever he was getting odd
Yeah, and that's why their push was so bad. Here he is Max. That is an interesting thing
It wasn't really a great pull
No, it wasn't even great until the end really clean it up at the end
If you have a perfect early part of the fight, you don't need the end to be perfect
But they just got the end absolutely perfect and here go. Okay. I need Johnny to place
would you call them the chairman like a uh the chairman yes the chairman hold on
why did sevy forget his jersey tisk tisk man he doesn't need he's got that
much aura you're right you're right it does yeah are you supposed to smile for
this uh i think they're unclear on that as well
is anybody smiling we've got some we got a little smile
let's see who else big cheese coming out from everybody okay there we go
oh oh they're swapping oh that makes sense
I get it. Yeah, I got to get the and now we got the contrast again
This is a very nice scene of how these photos get taken
They've done that they've done them on stairs previously. That's even worse
All right, there's everybody smile the calls we made for everybody to smile
They're just not doing it. There's some dissent on whether or not guys. Let's see. I'm surprised at least hopeful isn't smiling
There. Oh, what's happening? Oh, oh, I get it
the back end. It's like an engagement photo. Shut off this ring. That could not be the
right way to hold your hand in this situation if you're holding up a five. Okay. Oh, we
a little more damn this is good oh yeah oh they're all doing I thought they were doing
number one okay sorry sorry tiny that was good that was that was like relatively painless
relatively we may have made it a little bit worse than it had to do what we were supposed
to be casting that I'm sorry I'm taking the photo good job great job you want to grab
Mike you want to come hang out? Hey what's up man? What's up? She said she said get it get it.
Well that's over there I'm sure of her. Maybe yeah. I think so yeah hopefully. Yeah just grab it yeah come hang out.
There's a room in there. Want to make room? Yeah. Yeah get him in there. Oh this one this one sorry sorry sorry.
Apologies yeah. Ah. There we go. Spondered with the new Mike. You can just look it.
Yeah, yeah hop in. Hey Johnny. What's up guys? How you doing? How you feeling? The damage burned.
Feeling good? Wow the boss was so... We just had to get there one time and the boss was dead. Yeah, you didn't even have an onk right? So you had to re-figure out how to do the end.
I onked the last boss, it wasn't up. But it didn't matter because we just had too much damage. Okay, so we were watching...
Okay, we heard that there was like unconfirmed hot fixes to the boss. What was it supposed to be trying to hot fix?
So I think Ekko was like jumping the water.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's Gubashat.
Yeah.
So Blizzard told us that they're going to fix that, like any pole.
So we decided to not even attempt to try that because we didn't know if they're going
to fix it mid-pole.
So that's why we didn't do that.
But apparently from what I heard, Ekko had like a 1% wipe and they all jumped in the
lava and then they all hints to die.
What?
It's not true.
It was...
They had many one percent.
They didn't die to that though specifically.
They just died instantly.
They hit away or something.
We'll see, I don't know.
Interesting, that would have been interesting.
I was theorizing that they would,
I mean, obviously both of you guys were trying to kind of sneak it in before the actual hotfakes.
Yeah, did you guys know that the boss was at low for Echo?
Yes, well, we got in and we had to like watch their Vod of their like 3% wipes we knew instantly.
Yeah, the boss was at low.
But we went to bed last night in a pretty, you know, pretty good spirits.
Yeah.
And then we woke up this morning and we realized they're doing like the triple circle, like
cheese track where we were doing the two circles.
Yeah.
So we just quickly, you know, figure out how to do that.
And then we just got into it and we actually had a pretty good morning.
Consistent peoples.
So yeah, it was good.
You know, we clutched it again somehow.
Somehow.
Yeah.
Oh my goodness.
Do you feel relieved?
I think everyone was stressed compared to like the the wins that you've had in previous series
How does this one compare just in terms of like the emotions?
Me personally, I mean this one that doesn't feel
You know like the pairings are the men see us or something like I'd rather
Have the men see something over this one. Mm-hmm. I mean it wins a win this raid was I mean it was a raid
Wasn't my favorite raid
It was a raid. It was a raid. It was a raid. I just don't enjoy like how we hear and
There's just too many splits and we're doing mythic splits now.
I'm going to guess that's going to be like a thing to stay in the future.
Oh, no.
Oh, question.
Okay.
Really important question.
Did you get your max hug?
I don't even remember.
I think they did.
I think so.
It was just all a blur when they killed it.
Okay.
But yeah, I think I did.
We'll do some blood review on that.
I'm sure there's going to be a camera.
Yeah.
We'll investigate.
Camera watch and what happened in there.
Okay.
Well, don't want us to hold you if you want to go do your, I don't know,
I think you have a sponsor obligation.
The tears over again we win barely again. You say until bus gone. No, I'm not okay. That is unfortunate. Yeah
I'm excited. Yeah, I
Know there's a lot of big plans for classic see what they announced there. Yeah, but yeah, you play classic if there's a new classic
Thank you, congratulations. Yeah, it's a hand it's a back guy. Thank you. Okay, so cool
That was Rester Shaman main, Driny, one of the big fans of the Rester Shaman class.
He leaves and says, buff spirit link.
Yeah, he said, Mastery Lightbringer, no thank you.
Oh yeah.
Okay, we'll let him know, Driny, no worries.
Yeah.
Cool.
All right, they all disappeared really fast.
They did, yeah.
I think they're doing some other stuff outside.
I think it's a little outside time.
There you go, a couple of photos, that sort of thing.
And then we got a lot of players with a lot of obligations here because we talked
about it.
quite long and there are players in liquid on the MDI team known as liquid that need to get ready
to do. Do you think they're back there? I feel like they're going to practice. I think there's going
to be a couple hours, maybe the rest of the day off and then I think tomorrow we are in those
keystones. Yeah, I mean they, a shine of Wolf Disco who are benched for this boss were like
what are we supposed to do? We can't even practice. They're worried about like obviously
their first round matchups versus mandatory and they're like well at least they're also stuck
But you know playing but it still didn't feel great. They were worried about big lucky getting a bunch of practice in I
Think I mean I think those are definitely valid, but yeah, hopefully hopefully they get I what about the echo players that are
That's like big trouble now
Same problem, but a flight and if they can't get the boss killed soon that would be really
That's a really difficult position to be in because we know that you kind of lose steam
once you're not like the the idea of first is no longer possible right so I do
kind of worry for them in that sense as well was this tier 3 horse race it's it
was definitely a race it was there's a lot of there were a lot of back and
forth I think at the end their method definitely had a lot more trouble on
Ulotec than on yeah you know Cisraq Vashnik where they absolutely owned
I'm excited to see what everybody has coming in next year I feel like again
We have snatched victory from the jaws of defeat and the five feet now absolutely incredible
All right
Well, let us know in chat if you feel like it's a
Three-horse race but in the meantime, we're gonna head to a special celebration courtesy of Monster energy
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Cut away.
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monster energy.
You don't understand what's
going on here.
We were just out there
celebrating.
It could have been anybody.
There's just no way.
It could have been anything.
Also apparently has just killed it.
That is that is so good.
Congratulations to them.
Yeah, congratulations.
getting it down today as well.
Sometimes it's just so brutal after the other team wins.
It can be so deflating, but an incredible close finish,
a handful of minutes that ends up separating them
from World First, heartbreaking for Echo,
but so impressive that they were able to do so well
across this tier, especially after the last few tiers
that have also been like this.
I feel like once again, the fire remains lit underneath
them for next tier.
It's gonna be a scary competition for us again.
Now we just need method to kill it and then no
We're gonna have to
Yeah, I got the 3 more race up there
Definitely
Within the hour
Let's see it
I think that's the closest
So obviously the last 3 chairs have been very close
But I feel like that's the closest that they've killed it after
Yes, that is the shortest amount of time
Because we're in a world second in a very long time
In fact, maybe ever
Yeah
It's almost always more than minutes
It's usually hours at least
Yeah
The fire rock was pretty close to
Yeah
But I don't think this was
That was like
Well, even if you're 1% once you actually get the news that the other team is one you can start absolutely plateauing
We've seen it on several boss
We saw it on Lura last year
Demensius yeah Sarkav for echo as well and a lot of a lot of ways that things can start going wrong on a fight
This hard it doesn't get easier just because you know somebody else killed it
It gets a lot harder. I think was killed within like the hour or something as well. Yeah, that was that was pretty quick
What's it this quick? I don't know. I just an incredible
I can't imagine this quick.
Out of Echo, so congratulations to them on a great tier.
17 day marathon for everybody.
What a tough tier, genuinely.
I mean, I think that the battle of endurance here
was something that was tested for pretty much all the Raiders.
For Echo as well, I mean, they went in
with the strategy of gearing more characters
and playing more splits and stuff like that,
with 16 characters as opposed to Liquid's 14.
As it turned out, it really just kind of came down
to Coiled Alter and Ulitec progression.
Yeah, Coiled Alter, big deal.
I mean, again, Echo, there were some days where they looked so good on it, but Liquid
ended up getting the world first there.
And I think ULTEC, a very similar story.
You know, a lot of these phases were pioneered by Echo.
Liquid had some good progression in lead on some of them too, but yeah, that was such
a strong showing from both guilds and the end of this fight.
I mean, what a weird end to the fight.
It took so long to get this boss below 70% health, and then the last 30% just
evaporated.
Yeah.
a very surprising chunk of health, especially when you compare to Echo's progression. I mean,
if you look at, I'm looking at them on Warcraft logs, they had pull after pull after pull
of like sub 5%. They were getting really consistent towards the end of their day. So, you know,
definitely an unfortunate way for them to get second place, but they played out of
their minds.
We woke up. I woke up. I don't know what time he has woke up. I woke up at the
bosses at like 4%. And I was like, Oh my God, that is a very low boss.
the typical like go wake up the guild situation where we get yelled at you must
stop DMing me on twitch whatever it's the boss low I'm not waking up at 9 a.m.
but doesn't matter anymore but we do have max here with us we're gonna head to a
blacklight spotlight interview and we're joined by maximum hello no we can
hear you think I can't hear myself can we fix that I think so yeah
our top assistants on the way.
Oh yeah, we're good.
All right.
Well, first of all, I mean, you know, five tears in a row.
How is that feeling for you?
Great.
Yeah.
I mean, I mean, I certainly, this is the question.
That's really all you have to say, to be honest.
I mean, all right, well, let me rephrase that.
Compared to other wins, I asked the same question to Drini.
How does this win feel compared to previous ones?
Very different.
Because I feel like we weren't really good like the whole race.
Like the whole tier.
I felt like we relatively were pretty unprepared.
Not with like class stuff, we're pretty tuned up with that.
But just all of our boss prep was just like not amazing.
I think we just didn't have like...
And I think the Raiders feel that.
Like I think if you're showing up to a boss and like you're actively problem solving stuff
instead of having it ready ahead of time.
You know the players are less like...
I think I think it's easy for the players to play with high confidence and high morale when they are confident that like what we are
Preparing is good. Yeah, and I think we didn't feel that for a lot of this tier
I think we problem solved well on the fly but like obviously in the race. That's like usually not good enough, right?
Yeah, but I was kind of like it was weird because like the last couple days
I think I said this a few times on stream
It's like I'm kind of not stressing out because I feel like the race is like as it's being streamed
You can just like kind of play bad slash not
Or someone else plays really good. I guess relatively those are the same thing
Mm-hmm, and then like you can just play really well in the last couple days
And it just kind of works because everyone's streaming their progress you can just take whatever they're doing and catch right up
Obviously if none of this was streamed you would just be super cooked if that was the case right but uh
Yeah, so we just kind of utilize that if we could whenever we were not doing so well
And then yeah, we played pretty good the last few days and locked in and killed it
So we're just to finish the question because you said like how did it feel yeah?
I mean when we won I didn't like get up and start screaming because I was just like
This just keeps happening like I'd like how does this keep happening like this exact same script for like three tiers in a row and last
Here it was like two days in a row of the same tier
Um where we just kind of wake up because like I don't know. I know maybe from the outside
This doesn't seem like a big deal
But waking up and seeing someone has a low percent wipe where a lot of people were dead and clearly it's not like
like a really insanely lower level hard to get back there.
It's like they could literally kill at any pole,
but like it's likely that they will kill at any pole.
You're kind of like shitting yourself a little bit.
You know, it's easy to do that and then not play well.
But we showed up early.
We know we had a really good day yesterday.
We know that we were able to get that low on the boss.
So we were kind of just confident from the beginning.
I don't know if that's also because we've like one
multiple tiers in a row where it in kind of a similar
position you wake up and you're saying like,
okay, we can, we can do this.
We don't have to be like super nervous because if you're nervous you're gonna not play well right now
You tweeted out pretty quickly after you kill the boss that you can't keep getting away with it
So expanding on that further. Do you feel like you kind of got away with like robbery a little bit?
You hit you hit the Joker laugh right as the boss died of it as well. Really? Yeah, yeah, I didn't even know
I I didn't even okay. I'll have to listen to that. Yeah, I mean
Yeah, I mean like here's what I mean by that
that when I woke up today I was sure that they killed the boss and I know I've
said that before like they will kill the boss I didn't think that last night by
the way I think they must have had like a really really good day it's like the
reason why I went I was really confident last night was we had a really
good day yesterday we like fully problem solve p2 which I believe all the
guilds are using our p2 and then in the last phase we focus with the Venn
diagram stuff obviously they took that to the next level the pool thing was
its own thing which by the way I think is like really overrated like that
isn't even needed at all like we we basically one shot the burn without
going in the pool but of actually getting to the burn and yeah I I feel like I
don't know there was this almost like no stress because I actually felt like we
lost today and then and then I don't know you just kind of play because what can
you do and you get a little closer and then you realize oh our boss is
actually much lower than theirs like our our brains and like the second burn was
like I think the pull before we killed it was 40% or something 4% lower
than our kill so like it would have died like halfway through the amp
basically. So I think just knowing that we had the damage was like confidence building enough.
So the last time we had a race go this long was Sepplicher right and that was famously just an
absolutely brutal tier like caught everybody by surprise. This time around the race went almost
as long and rather than like crumble right you guys rose to the challenge were able to come
back on the last day and after having played 16 days of you know mythic splits and high
intensity mythic rating were able to game it out. Have there been a lot of changes to
of the guild over the years that have made you more prepared for a long tier like this?
I don't think so.
And I think it's been long enough since Seppelker that we didn't actually learn lessons we learned
from that raid.
In Seppelker, we were doing that raid and near the end, we were like, dude, I can't
wait for this to be over.
And people were vocally calming that.
And I think that spreads, right?
And that's not a good mentality to have, because it can make people just not locked
in because they're over it.
That was definitely going on this time.
It definitely didn't help, but this raid is super mid.
It is, it is peaked. The rate is so average. And because of that, if you're not like progressing a really fun banger boss, I think it's even harder to lock in. So yeah, there was multiple times. I mean, THD, every break is like, this is there.
But yeah, I don't know. I think it's just kind of random. At least with Sepulcher, there was like all time bangers in that raid. This raid, there was like the only thing that was like kind of cool is like scissor rack.
And like that was just like an easy like rashok level boss even though I also rash I'm really cool
But yeah, I definitely of all tiers to go late. It is it is such a shame that it was this one
But I like I wish this raid was over so fast
But yeah, I definitely felt that I mean I said that on stream yesterday
I was like dude like there's so it makes it makes I think of a viewer here is that I know
I definitely got some comments like oh
So like they're just already resigned to losing like they know they're losing and they're doing all this
I'm like, I'm like, bro, I'm just telling you how it is that we can always win. It's happened the last couple times, but I
always felt like
you know
We have the ability to do it and just in general we wanted it to be over to like you can be like, okay
I really want to win. I really want this to add but also like wow would have been amazing if this died six days ago
So you guys actually cut down on the amount of splits obviously in the voids by I guess did like
I think it was 20 characters or something like that and then yeah
This tier, you guys did less splits compared to Method and Echo.
How was that for, not only morale, but for player burnout,
and how are the players really feeling even though you guys cut back on the time?
I think they feel less of the burnout during the farm period.
Most of the burden of the burnout of the extra characters
is the preparing them beforehand and afterwards.
Sure.
Right?
It's like right now, knowing that they have to prep X amount of characters for next year,
and it being lower is very nice.
Yeah.
I think that's it.
I mean during the race it's not good.
Like it is not small either.
Like you have especially in this raid,
like this is like almost like sanctum of domination level
of like you want more characters
because these items are so OP.
And even though we had the same high level
we had a lot less of those items
at like heroic high level especially.
We basically got bailed out by this going to a third week
because like as every week goes on
if like some race world first killed has 10 characters
and one has 20 or whatever.
In the first week, that difference will be huge.
In the second week, it will be less huge.
In the third week, it will be less.
As time goes on, it will equal out and equal out
because you're getting the same amount
of mythic boss kills.
And that's what happened this time.
I think our eye level's around the same.
I think their gear is definitely better.
They got way, like their first coiled altar kill
was like absolutely insane,
and ours was completely terrible,
like multiple awful items, and all of the coins.
I think we hit one coin of like what someone wanted.
Our second one was great,
but like I think they had
twice the amount of mythic trinkets
we had, for example. Yeah, the gear thing is real. Last week, we were progressing like
minus one eye level. And it's really hard to gauge what that feels like, because you
can't play another reality in your head of what would this boss have felt like in progression
if we were over like average eye level one higher, but the boss is easier. This is
just a fact. Right. So like last week, I think it really hurt us that we had that.
We haven't like had any conversations yet because it just ended, but it is interesting
because like it's like waiting burnout versus like the thing you care about the most having you know any less chance of winning which is it's a fact right that you will by doing that is that worth it I don't know right we'll see how that goes in the future I mean ideally hopefully like I
I think the best thing to do is like,
because we're all in this together, right?
Like, EU is not like, they don't like doing this either.
The players all hate this is the worst part of the race by far.
And hopefully everyone can just be like,
all right, agree on a number that's at least the min.
And most of your players will do that,
your tanks will do more, you know,
they need more class balance.
But like, I think just trying to make the longevity
of this make more sense is good.
I don't think us winning or losing this race
would have really had that matter much.
I think it's just like a conversation that used to happen.
All right, well, we are going to let you go celebrate.
But before we do that, any other shoutouts or anything
that you'd like to leave us with?
Yeah, I mean, I would just shout out the guilt.
I genuinely think I didn't prepare well enough
this year, to be honest with you.
I think I don't want to speak about our analysts.
I think our analysts are great.
I think they put in good work.
But it kind of comes down to me.
And I feel like we just weren't really ready
in a lot of scenarios.
I know like okay if I had that extra meeting about this boss we could have been like more prepared so
I would just say shout out the raider. I think they played really well
I think it was hard playing down eye level last week and I think it was definitely hard to stay motivated when
We just weren't really super prepared, especially for like the early mid bosses. So yeah, shout out to them for pulling through and well
It's it's really nice to win when you definitely are not at your best. I'll say that because like
uh, and hopefully what we do in our farm period early is is
Go through the process of okay. Let's say we lost because we very easily could have and let's fix all the things that were not good
Instead of like it's really easy to get complacent when you keep winning. Yeah, even if you talk about it even if
It's something you're actively aware of it's just like that
Even on an individual player level you're not going to go as hard on ptr
To know literally everything you possibly can if you haven't lost
You know, it's just like something you have to force yourself to do
So I think like that's maybe my main thing in farm is just going to try to find a way for myself
Absolutely, and then also just try to find a way for our guild to still be like super motivated to get better
Amazing. Well, congratulations once again, and that was the black light spotlight with Max
Definitely good to check in with him. That was my first one. I never got to do that
Yeah, because it's always on at the end of the day, which usually isn't this early usually
Yeah, I had so many questions that I was writing down, but maybe I'll be on the later ones in previous years
But always cool to check in with him. It really seems like there's like a learning lesson after every single tier
and it's a great point right like you echo are going to improve and they're
already so scary yeah they're gonna be even stronger next year liquid have to
continue to improve as well and some talks about whether we could do a you know
an agreement on number of characters I think would be interesting maybe we
could put a moratorium on these mythic splits before they get out of hand
because I don't know about you guys the viewers but I personally I like seeing
mythic on week one what if we hit like a day limit like three-day limit
Yeah, let's say after three days you're in on mythic and the other difficulties are closed
That would be nice. Yeah, and it has to be one lockout one mythic lockout
Nice gentlemen's agreement between the two guilds. Absolutely certainly be interesting. All right
Well, that is gonna wrap us up for the race world first for the venomis abyss once again
Congratulations to the guild echo as well
Definitely will be keeping a tight eye on
Method to see where the end of their raid progression ends or the end of their day
So definitely good luck to everybody else that is still progressing through this extremely difficult race
But want to give a tremendous shout-out to our sponsors that made all of this possible Alienware are presenting partners
Well as AMD blacklight monster energy Zenny Holly land vote E radar IO Wow head Warcraft logs
And thank you so much to everybody that helped us support UNICEF our charity partner
Thank you so much to our fans
We couldn't do it without you guys and all of the support that you sent the guild as well as the broadcast
So thank you everyone so much, and we will see you for the next one. Bye-bye.
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Hello, everyone. Good morning. Welcome back to the Team Liquid Race World First. My name
is Aya. I am here with Jotnos and Ironic. Here, shout out to our tremendous sponsors
for the Race World First Alienware with AMD, as well as Blacklight, Monster Energy, Zenny,
Hollyland, Vote E, Raider IO, Wowhead, Warcraft Logs, and Unicef, our charity partner for
the Race World First. Hope everybody is having a tremendous morning because I hope
The vibes continue with the Prague that we hopefully will see.
Yeah, that's that's what I was wondering, you know, what you're talking about.
I mean, like, listen, yesterday, I felt the vibes were a little off.
The week there were great until coil.
Walter and then we wasted a couple of hours on coil.
Walter, for those of you keeping up with the race, watching the Echo Stream,
they one shot it yesterday.
So we cleared went better for them than it did for us.
Fortunately, that hasn't happened in a long time.
But I mean, John, as you're cooking up some copium.
Yeah, ultimately the race is decided by who plays better on the end boss
You get a little bit of an advantage if you get more time on the end boss
You have more opportunities to do that, but
It's gonna be decided by who plays better on a little tech
That is gonna be who wins the race the boss is nowhere close to dead yet
We are in for another couple days of progression. That's what's gonna decide this thing
so liquid absolutely
So with the 50-50 shot basically with Ekko right now, it's all going to come down to how well we play these next couple of days,
and whether or not the boss is going to cooperate and whether or not it needs any nerfs,
which depending on if it does, that could throw a whole other wrench into things.
So I can give you a little bit of an update on what I was seeing from Ekko,
because they have pulled the boss for a few hours after the week there was done.
They started moving their lusts to the P1 burn, so they're not lusting in P2 anymore.
anymore yeah and their best burns they're getting a little tech down to about 57
percent 58 percent right which seems like it's in a killable range it's about
similar to what it was like on the heroic burn week one yeah I don't think
we've seen them get through P2 without lust yet yeah that's the hard part P2
without lust is incredibly scary I mean last week it was closed with lust
we've gained a lot of gear but not enough to make up for a bloodlust
yeah definitely a lot lot going on worried we're definitely in slingshot
territory, hopefully, but I woke up this morning and I was quite shocked by, or
maybe I shouldn't have been shocked though, by how little progress Echo had made.
Well yeah, because they've moved their bloodlust, so they're sort of
re-progressing the phase that, phase two, which is a very hard phase, had been
done with lust by both guilds last week. We know you need to not lust that
phase in order to actually kill the boss though, which is what Echo are
working on right now. It does seem doable without lust, but it seems very, very hard.
Even with this week's reset of gear, but maybe Liquid will have a better time of it. We can
see them forming up in front of the boss, so they should be able to get started polls
fairly soon. But I wouldn't be surprised if there's a good bit of meeting to do because
one of the other things that Echo were able to do with this time is they've been
able to figure out how to do the early parts of the fight with more like cleave
damage and less boss damage or more boss damage less cleave damage leaving that
wretch up for longer it can be very tough all right well while you pull up are
you pulling something up good like you're pulling up a grab so while you do
whatever it is you're doing I'm going to talk about UNICEF our charity partner
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I'm sure there'll be some nice 20 minute breaks between poles.
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And we can take a look at those.
We get the break timer, green timer back.
That's right.
Today we get to see how high tempo the poles are
going to be able to be.
But I did want to take a quick look at the changes
that Echo made.
So there was a lot of talk about the Rhett Paladin,
A lot of talk watching Liquid play with it and Echo play without it
about how powerful that spec would be on the venomous heart
with the way that their execution sentence works and provides final damage.
Echo flirted with it for three pulls
and now they've taken it back out for the second hunter again.
Liquid on the other hand, we're not still sure what their comp changes are going to be.
We know that they were gearing some new stuff during the farm period.
We saw them playing like smacked instead of trill is their monk buff on a lot of the farm bosses
The early farm bosses at least I don't know if they're actually planning to make any changes though
I feel like they may
From from what I can see it looks like they're not pulling the trigger on any more changes so far
So we may see liquid just continuing with the same comp that we saw last week as you can see in the raid frames down there
No new names the dry and stir still on the rest of shaman although when we talked to him last night in the black light spotlight
he was talking about how it's not guaranteed yet.
He does have the option for the Holy Pally.
They will be able to adjust further.
So we might see that today, particularly
if they feel like they run into something
where the composition is impeding them in some way.
Yeah, I wonder if they are going
to be making any swaps based off of just vibes.
They'd have to do it like a double swap
if they want to do that, right?
It'd have to be like, holy.
It would have to be Drinie and Lib
for a Shine and Drinie's Paladin, that kind of thing,
Which, you know, that might make sense,
but Lip is very, very good.
And also, this fight is pretty well suited to him,
but then you get the benefit of the Driny on the Paladin.
I don't know, there's a couple other flex spots
that you could potentially mess with.
The Shatter Priest, the Second Rogue, the...
I mean, that's kind of it, right?
Like, beyond that, it's...
I feel like what you could do on this fight
if you went back in time
is play like a vengeance demon hunter
inside of the second blood decay,
and then you could not play a DPS DH,
but they're never gonna do that.
They've got Shaq on the DH,
that guy is an anchor of the roster.
It's almost impossible to imagine sitting him,
but I do wonder if you actually need
the second blood decay with the way the last phase looks.
I think one DK could cover it all.
Yeah, Shaq is a big glue guy.
Yeah, I think you don't ever wanna sit Shaq,
even if you kinda wanna sit DH.
Glue guy in terms of like,
utility that is claspering or personality or...
He's an enthusiast. He's a holistic person.
He's just a fan of various glue products and accessories.
Yeah.
He really likes playing Uma Masume.
Does he actually?
No, I'm doing it a little bit.
Sorry.
A little warning bit.
I let it over my head.
Anyways.
I apologize.
I'm so sorry, Rooney.
I'm sorry.
No, no, it's fine.
You didn't ruin anything.
I mean, I could see him being into that.
That was a great game.
No, it's fun.
It's our bit worked on at least one person,
and that makes me happy.
No, I mean, I feel like I like sticking with the same comp, you've done 200 pulls with these guys,
people are going to be familiar with the fight, it's going to make relearning a little bit more consistent.
I'm sure that they have players that are ready to swap in.
Certainly.
They sat last night at the end of the night and had like a 40 minute meeting where they muted comps.
And they were probably talking about what they felt like the best thing was for the fight,
what the plan was to move Lust out of P2, because we know that has to be moved to a Pnevis Art once we start looking for a kill.
It has to be on one of the damage amps for sure.
They were doing a lot of strat stuff last night.
And probably just re-going over that right now before we give them new pulls in on the boss.
Yeah, they can watch what Echo have been doing in particular P1 without killing that wretch quickly.
That's going to be an adjustment, right?
So for those of you who don't know, there's a mythic ad, this wretch, that spawns from this big egg in the middle.
What Liquid have done for most of these 200 pulls of progression is kill it real quick before it does anything.
But, what Echo we're doing now, and what we know you're gonna have to do to kill this boss, is leave it alive for a while so you don't waste too much damage on it.
But then you get this mechanic where it creates like a safe bubble around it, and massively blasts everything outside of that bubble.
Aside from like one tank who will be far away and must stay far away, everybody else in the raid is gonna have to get inside that bubble.
But there are periods where you're either A, dodging waves, or B, carrying eggs, and needies do that at the same time.
same time. And remember on Mythic, if you're carrying an egg, you can't stand on top of
anybody else carrying an egg. So stacking inside that Mythic ad bubble while carrying
an egg is actually a pretty tough ask. The good news is it kind of happens at the same
time as the spectral coils, which is when you got to do that anyway. So it's actually
not that much harder than you'd think because you're kind of already forced to do the
same kind of mechanic a couple seconds later. So you kind of just preposition
for it to do the Mythic ad. And then if you leave it alive for a really long
time, which Ekko were doing, A, it enrages, which means your tank's in trouble, and anybody
outside the bubble is just going to get one shot instead of, you know, take a heavy damage.
And B, that next bubble comes during this wave overlap where it's very hard to find
a safe place to position that bubble. Ekko have been doing it in one of these, like,
corner spots where you can see of this octagon, but that also requires you to kind of relearn
that dodge sequence. It is one of the easier wave dodges because nobody's carrying an
egg during that one so it's a little bit less you know punishing you don't have
to all be in different places of the room like you do when you're dodging with
eggs. Yeah, Echo's kind of developed much of a strategy for this. Yeah, we were also
struggling with the tethers and we changed it once we saw what Echo was
doing was a little bit more reliable. Yeah, that's a cool part as well. Phase
two features these tethers which if you've played this fight on heroic
you'll also be very familiar with. They briefly were cheeseable in week one
and then they made them not jeez-able.
So you get six players total, three on each side, tethered,
and when you snap them, you get a massive dot.
And so figuring out how you can get all six of them snapped safely
is a big part of the difficulty of Heroic.
A lot of the Heroic strategies are snapping
two than two, then one, then one, or two than two, then two, something like that.
The mythic strategy that Echo pioneered was
one, real quick, right away,
And then all five of the rest and as long as you don't get one shot by all five of the rest
That strategy is really smart because it means that you get to expose all of that damage to your defensive CDs
Right to your spirit links your darkness to your AMC
Which is now in the comp hasn't hasn't been on some of the bosses
but those sorts of effects plus personals and
That means that it's the same total damage right whether you do one one one one one one or one five
You're getting the same total amount of damage
But by doing it the echo way, you get to apply your defenses, which can only be up for a short amount of time to the most, the biggest chunks of damage.
And you don't really need them for anything else in that phase, so a much better way of handling it than trying anything else.
So definitely a very clever strategy. That's phase two, and then you get back, you get a little burn, you get the intermission.
Oh, well, you didn't mention the four-doom skills that you have to clue down.
Yeah, yeah, well, those are easy.
That also have like a hundred million HP each.
Yeah, just toss the egg in the cauldron, cleave down the doom scale, bring them over, you know, stack them up, have your blood decays bathed in some frontals, but they don't mind that.
I want to see what the strategy is there.
They're blood decays.
Because there's a world where people are like, okay, we want to actually keep these alive during the heart, for funnel.
But then they're also doing frontals at the same time, so your tanks are going to have to position away that the frontals are pointing away from the raid.
Right, while still having them in the stack spot.
Yeah, yeah, it is it's not trivial
I do think you have to not expend any cooldowns on them
So the way those work is if you can kill them early the boss will emerge early
That's a great strategy on heroic and normal once you start having extra damage
And you're just like okay
Let's just kill these early and then we can just hit the boss for free for a while
My assumption on mythic is you're never realistically going to be able to get that to happen
So yeah, you should probably just spend no cooldowns on them and then cleave them down with that heart
during the rage of the shackled cast and hope they die for free there and have
your tanks you know figure it out they have got kick assignments figured out
pretty nicely within add-on that tells them which boss frame to focus so they
can all lend their kicks on it which is surprising to me as I was under the
impression that add-ons had been removed it's probably hard-coded it
wouldn't be computational or anything well it is it's computational because
it changes which boss frame they're told based on which one spawn where
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We've seen ready checks go out.
We've seen some Vantus rooms deployed,
hopefully on every single member of the raid.
I like the sound of that.
Something else we're gonna see for the first time here,
Dratnos, once we actually get a pull of the boss
is what the guild's item level is.
Yes, don't worry, I'm primed to report on that.
He's got his hover over the refresh button.
I will say, I think Splat is going to be
one of the lowest item levels in the guild
because this is a last second re-roll.
No, it's just the nature of the game.
I know, but it's a sad.
So sometimes the re-roll,
like he was already a re-roll last week.
So sometimes the re-roll actually gets
to accelerate more than some of the other characters,
because if you think about it, what's
the best way to have the strongest week three character?
It's kind of to hold some week one and two resources, right?
And sometimes you get to be greedy by accident
when you are a last second swap in,
which Splat's Moonkin certainly was.
So last week it was 319.6.
It was tied for third lowest eye level with KSP.
And then the dry store was the caboose there at 319.
I will say I saw him open his character panel earlier. He's 224.75 now.
Yep.
And if that's the low end, we're going to have a good average out of him.
I bet he's slingshot it over people. I bet he's a...
We had a lot of people at 325 last week.
We have, yeah. We've...
Well, we'll see how the games have gone.
Echo are now at about 326 I level across their guild,
but I don't think they have a myth of the mist.
Yeah, I hope that they have Jesus himself in there, really.
Yeah, we have a Hulk.
Wall life there.
332.
Dude. Disgusting. I heard somebody mention Nick also. Did he catch up as well?
Nick has been high eye level the whole time. He was already the fourth highest eye level last week.
And this week, he's probably gained some. We'll have to see exactly how much when they pull the boss and the old radar eye update comes through because at this point every single resource should basically be spent.
thing that wouldn't be is if there's somebody who's like still missing Crest, maybe they weren't in on some
Reclear, and they've got an AFK some keys during lunch or something and get their remaining Crest
that way. But I think for the most part, yesterday should have had all of these characters acquire
all of the resources that they need to be full power level. It's kind of nice at this point,
because even last week and especially the week before, there's so much ambiguity about
what are we gearing for, right? Are we gearing to be strong for Coiled Alpter?
Are we gearing to be strong for ULTEC?
Are we gearing for a kill this week?
Are we gearing for a kill next week?
Now, all of that uncertainty is removed, right?
You know this is the week.
Yeah.
ULTEC either dies this week or we are in some bizarre land, right?
We really are.
Some strange, absolutely unprecedented landscape.
No boss has survived the onslaught of Raced World First Guilds for a full reset before.
And ULTEC, you know, a strong contender, but I suspect it won't die there.
I mean, like I was talking about, Echo looks like their burst to damage in phase 1 is enough to potentially kill the fight.
The numbers seem possible asterisk, where the hard part is like, yeah, you can kill the axe, yeah, you can do the boss damage.
Is it possible to do both in the same pull, which is required to kill the boss?
That's the part that I've remained skeptical of, but I think, you know, that's the sort of thing that you don't want to say can't be done until a lot of good looking attempts have gone at it, right?
You remember back to like Razageth the second phase that one looked impossible
And then we needed to see a couple of like otherwise perfect bowls that just were nowhere close to beating that phase
And then you're like, okay. Yeah, this is impossible and then I got nerfed by 50%
You want to know how impossible they thought that fight was yeah, they were they were looking to stack arcade mage is
So bad that during that tier that preheat and I were casting yeah
They came to both of us and are like, hey
Do you want to come play on this light on ironically?
because they needed all the burst damage to beat the shields they could.
Fortunately the shields got there for 50% and we didn't have to do that.
Were you ready? No, I don't think I was going to.
Oh, okay. I didn't want to. You were going to answer the call?
Imagine if we just dropped two casters from the from the, that would have made you guys
like miserable. Oh dude, but it would have been incredible lore.
That would have been a crazy story. I would have supported you.
I didn't know this was happening. I would have been rooting for you guys.
No, it wouldn't be good for you guys. Also, it ended up not being needed because they nerfed the shields.
That's why they had to get nerfed by 50%, and the ad phase got nerfed by 50%.
That was a brutal encounter.
That was a good point. Echo is down to four casters, that sounds...
I think they're doing two caster shifts, but those are, I think also...
They were already doing two caster shifts.
That's their normal schedule.
They're just doing longer two caster shifts.
still there. It's Preach, Cruella, Okaymage, and Camer. Just those who are holding it down.
You know what? Shout out to those guys, because I know that you've been struggling here casting
over all of the splits and stuff, and they've been doing pretty much the same amount. That is
no easy task when there are only two of you. Show some love to those guys, because I'm
sure they're working really hard over there as well. I feel a little parched this morning.
Oh, you are. Let's hear it. My fingernails can't get under. Oh, you need some assistance?
I can oh you got it. I got a card and get it. Oh, no, I got it. I can do this. Oh, thank you
They go they go and a nice smell of that one. Yeah, I have you had this one. No, I haven't had that one
It's what this one is really good. It's the orange dream or a tree
Monster reserve it tastes like ice cream. We literally just like it's like the Federal Reserve
It's like you can store these up to
Have our countries like GDP value in some kind of physical object all in that bottle right?
Yeah, well, it's in not just that one bottle, but several bottles of the monster
First, just first, just first, okay, okay, okay.
You should try that one.
I will, dude.
I, I, it's very hard to sway me
from the old Monster Zero Ultra, those are,
that's my, the classic, you know, every morning,
first global, go for one of those, but,
man, I wanted, I do want to try that one now.
Have to get that one to try next, next M.
Wow, we are 30 minutes into our pre-pull meeting here,
but we have seen some ready checks,
We've seen some characters advancing forward.
Another ready check.
That's the ready check for the next ready check.
We've got the gateway place.
We've got the circle placed.
We've got a couple of people running and jumping around.
We had a delicious breakfast also.
So that should add a little pep in their step.
Yeah, the breakfast burritos today.
Most things were hot.
They were wrapped in foil.
And when I picked it up, I was like,
Oh man, I did it, that's way too hot.
But it was like the perfect temperature inside.
That's the challenge, right?
That's the Joe special.
Yes. Those are really good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The bacon was crispy.
Dude, yeah.
But juicy.
I prefer it to be a little soft.
I think it got the right ratio though.
Speaking of trying things, ta-da!
Oh, thank you.
I wanted to do, we're gonna do a live taste test.
A taste test of the orange dreamcicle.
Let's see, what do you think?
Let's see, hang on, let me crack open this one.
Yep.
OK.
All right, little sip.
All right, here we go, little sip.
Yep, yep, yep.
Oh, wow.
Good?
That's nice.
Yeah, that's nice.
That's like dessert in a can.
It really is.
That's a good way to put it.
Oh, my goodness.
This could be a whole series for most people.
They could have like a birthday cake one day.
We've unlocked something in Dranas.
That's nice.
I've never seen that reaction.
That is nice.
No.
Where do you rate you with the ultra white? Well, I mean you can't dethrone the king that that easily okay, okay?
I feel like also this this one for me it'd be less of a 10 a.m. Monster. I think that's more of a
4 p.m. Yeah kind of monster. Yeah, I feel like that'd be good if you poured it over ice cream. Oh
Little ice cream the flow goodness gracious that would make it. Yeah
Yeah, do we have any vanilla ice cream?
I think Hula bought a bunch this week. I don't know if it's still in there. I think that would go crazy. Yeah a
birthday series
You know, but like our number they like a like a a sweet series of monster energy
So we can have the orange dreams cool. They gotta get a chocolate monster somehow chocolate monster
There's a local mocha not mocha not mocha chocolate chocolate coffee. No, no, no, no not mocha
I'm not a not a fan of the coffee taste. What's going on? Somebody said, uh, wow
Calm hold let's see what we got here hold phase two nerf
All right, wow. Oh my goodness. See that's why they're waiting
Okay, wait
So the blight vein damage has been reduced so they've nerfed the damage of blight vein
which should make it easier to do the pops by 25.7%.
Those are the tethers?
Yeah, these are the tether pops.
By the way, if you're wondering,
Liquid just pulled and wiped and reset,
so we're not missing anything here.
Blightvane, yeah, 25.7%.
And Soul Constrictor is being nerfed.
So this is actually not P2.
This is an intermission nerf
to the ability to soak multiple spectral coils.
So I think with this, you could actually do two groups
groups instead of needing to do three which you currently do because six seconds is a
little bit too short to be able to get one. I think you can get one and three but then
you can't get five with a six second duration but now you could get one three five seven
and another group could get two four six eight whereas previously Liquid had to do
one four seven and another group could do two five eight and another group could
do three and six so they might adjust that or they might play the same strategy there as well
you can check the good level another pull the boss all right let's uh let me see that too uh so
the item level of team liquid is now 326.07 for the first time this tier we are in the
lead on item level all of last week we were trailing both echo and for a while method as well
but now 326.07 carried by wall life at 331.7 sickening high level unbelievable greed
i could see this as well i'd say you can see what they're doing the rush strategy where they're
not actually trying to focus it down they're just cleaving it down with the uh
the rattle and then we'll probably pull to the boss and leave it down afterwards so we're going
for more boss damage here and we'll probably see that lust come out at about the 150 mark.
Probably going to be going for that strategy notably those nerf stratnos.
They don't affect the health values which are the things that I was thinking would be the gate
there but uh you know reducing the healing does help with that a little bit we have had a death
here while I while I've down carry down so we got all of our gear come on now
boomie down as well okay well he can die they probably need to figure out when
this stretch actually means to die maybe yeah so it does enrage after a certain
point you can see that red eye if you look in the boss frame over on the
right-hand side of the screen next to that wrench there's that red icon it's
being obscured now as he mouses over these damage meters but it's under
Under where those breakdowns were okay now you can see it a little bit in THD's UI
it's a
Top middle right issue the screen there's a sort of a red globe icon that will show up next to the wretch on the boss frames when they
Do enrage I think for the wretches
It's like 25 or 30 seconds after they hatch
They will enrage and that does beat up your tank and it also means that every bubble beyond the first
Everybody needs to get in or else they will get one shot so that may have been the cause of death
I think it might have just been waves though that time.
Yeah, it could be.
We're seeing the warlock a little like ritual here.
Run to the middle, drop the portal, run to the left,
drop the gate, run to the back, drop health stones,
soulstone healer, summon a pet, do it all.
This is good tech as well, getting that gate
or getting the health stones on the back
so that they don't obscure all of the other green mechanics
if you put them on the middle of the platform,
which they absolutely do.
And we're expecting to see a few wipes in P1
to relearning this red strategy, right?
You're trying to get boss damage.
You're trying to make sure you
You have to stack inside that bubble, then go into your coil
subs, which they actually did well that pull.
I don't think they spawned any vipers there.
So doing all right on the first pull,
but probably going to be similar to that.
How often were they spawning that extra ad,
would you say, like yesterday?
The extra vipers?
Well, they didn't do any pulls yesterday, but on Monday,
vipers happened a lot.
It was one of the things that was wiping them
and making their face on consistency pretty rough.
people were just not playing well they're gonna get my waves they're running into
other tags it was a lot there was a lot going wrong on Monday for sure they
weren't pulling us at all yesterday no yesterday they didn't pull us plus a
single time what they do if it is their splits so yeah I thought they were
done when I left I thought that was the end of it up through lunch it was
re-clear you know couple of heroics then we had heroic gul attacks after
lunch then we had mythic coiled altar repression and then we had mythic
embraces and yeah I so I I was done at like I I watched them read whole
quail daughter and I was under the impression yeah and then I'll be honest
I was feeling real real tommy so like I'm turning the bright normally I will go
home and I will watch it in bed but last night I was like I'm just gonna do
I need to put, my brain needs to be elsewhere, so I did not watch last night.
Ah yeah, the whole choosing to do Mishkul for mental health.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
It would be fair to say that the vibes were definitely down yesterday.
Not only because of the Coil of Alter, Rekill, doing relatively poorly by the guild standards.
Usually like we've been talking about, a Reclear has been one of the guild strengths many times
over the past couple of expansions now.
But also, they did like 5 or 6 mythic Nimbresa splits looking for two particular things.
They wanted jewelry, and they wanted trinkets.
one and they got none of them and their heroic glow attacks yielded I think one
useful necklace there was two of the drop but it was in the same split and
there was only one meter in that split so so tragedy on the re-clear the mythic
pre-clear loot was good yeah the tiny little upgrades that they could have
gotten from the rest of their splits were just almost useless so it almost
feels like you wasted hours yesterday which obviously you didn't you had to
do the splits anyway so try to get that extra bit of loot because if you didn't
do it you'd always be thinking what if we got all these upgrades what if we
could have gotten a little stronger we have to do it but it doesn't make you
feel any better about the day knowing we did all that and didn't get any upgrades
for me here's that strategy again though stacking inside of the wretch bubble
then going into our coil slam to do lose malarcus unfortunately there as long
as we didn't spawn a viper I think we're gonna be okay and I'm not seeing
any of those absorb shield slams going out on the group so it looks like
at least we got rid of all of the eggs well here. The question now, when does this wretch
need to die? Do you think they just try to kill it off before the next bubble stops?
No, they're doing the echo strat of allowing this. They're going to take it up to this
corner and it is enraged now as well. So everybody will need to get into this bubble
that it creates soon.
Okay, I've got dodge waves at the same time.
And you see it's also a faster cast when it is enraged. And now hopefully it will
dive before the next bubble because the new wretch is now spotting but yeah this
is the way that echo we're doing this the tank also getting beaten up that is
handling that wretch but it is gonna go down before its next bubble cast okay
and now we've got a new wretch to contend with meanwhile goop having the
time of his life here everybody's like everybody else is like oh yeah okay
we'll take damage off these eggs and put it under the boss and goops like
Don't mind if I do!
Let me just do 730k.
Now this red shield is also a little bit easier because you collect your eggs after this one rather than before.
If you see it at the time now, waves are coming out that need to break out that little gas.
Yeah, that's vipering up for sure.
Yeah, there it is.
And that's not great, but it was almost dead.
And their damage on boss is looking a lot better, of course, with this strategy than when they were focusing on those redges more.
They are going to continue this pull, but I don't think for much longer as we are losing now with Nick, fired up Scott.
Yeah, it's over. This one is, uh, this one's toast.
Okay, but that was pretty much all of V1, and it was really only them being able to break that last egg out that really caused everything to spiral out of control.
Yeah, here comes the rage.
Honestly, not too bad.
Faze handled. Not bad.
So you guys were talking about vibes just a moment ago. Can I just read out some of Max's tweets this race?
Yeah.
Um...
Okay, let me see here. Let me just scroll to the first one if they do random make the fourth boss impossible bit like six and fordreaver
I will be leaving this earth. Okay. Yeah, well because Vashnik is not a
I mean, that's just that's warming us up. That's like a pre-tier joke tweet almost it is no
It's a good one, but but they they get worse
I just wanted to you know start us off with that one
Absolute disaster class of bugs and lag never seen anything like this in splits. Yep
day 1 and 2 is split-smart, brutal.
I'm becoming radicalized, man.
I'm going to be the average Wildhead commenter
by the end of today.
Yeah.
That's a good comment.
They added the Mythic Bastionic Red Circle Volta
Heroic on accident now.
Good luck.
That was also, again, that's just true.
I feel like every raid I'm saying,
this is the best raid in a while, or the best boss,
because of recent bias.
I have not felt that once this tier, this raid on Mythic
is the most nithing in years on a single banger boss,
period.
Yeah, that was last night.
That's kind of yeah, that's pretty brutal. So and then this morning
splitting lanes in traffic on a motorcycle has to be the most euphoric feeling
Mega California vibe so probably sitting in traffic on one of the highways and rush hour in the morning
Yeah, these happy little motorcycles leave in and out of traffic back here in the world
It's like man. I want to get there on a pull the boss traffic. Why am I not on a motorcycle?
They just made that legal where I'm from and it's interesting seeing people just do it.
That would scare me if I was a motorcyclist, but anyways, what were you going to say about
this?
No, no, I agree.
I wouldn't want to be on the motorcycle myself either, but I do envy them when they're
zooming into their destination.
But yeah, the bosses this tier, I like the Coil Altar Mythic experience so far.
I'm doing kind of Yip's job on it.
You can you can see your builds on the top. Yeah, it's on the top 10 not bad
But I think most the other boss, you know what I like to twin things as well. I'm gonna say it
I think that boss is pretty fun. I think I'm not looking forward to a little tech. I will admit this one is
Oh, I think by the time you get there. It'll probably be nerf. Well, I think we're getting there this reason
Yeah, I guess I might get a mid reset nerf again. It wouldn't surprise me
3
What do you think you're gonna go up to this week Thursday Friday ideally happy pretty happy with Friday? Yeah
Think good outcome. You think the free blows come clear still the dream. I think the free blows con clear might be dead
Yeah, I mean it's like it's not impossible, but it's gonna be very very hard
I think my favorite post rating bit with you was when you were with echo dratnos
And you like you somehow had access to like the webcam like you think yeah
like a cozy little studio and then you zoom out and it's just you in the middle of a room
nothing around you just on your in your lonesome this is like the um i think it was the avarice race
yeah sounds right yeah and uh you know obviously everybody had flights for like a week and a half
two weeks in and then the race was over less than a weekend and my flight was the longest and like
the hardest one to rebook right because it's like all the way across the all the way across
the world right and like I'm so that you know everybody else could get rebooked pretty easily
but I couldn't size is there for an extra couple days and they were like okay we're gonna take
down the set and everything we're gonna take everything down but we will leave you a computer
and uh yeah here's a URL if you want the security cam for the venue for your stream
that's pretty sick yeah only we're here for that's here you could have just uh
been home in like 45 minutes there is some available to yeah it's it's nice to be able
We got back in stuff. Yeah
That's right. Yeah. Oh, wow the wormhole you ever moved to Singapore, right? I think I did forget. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
What's your favorite Singaporean dish?
Yeah, the regular ones
Yeah
They're really just all the dishes
really good at that, in particular. Yeah, yeah, I'll go to a hawker center and say yes.
Have your regular dish, one regular dish please. One regular, yeah.
I come from your menu please. The usual. Do you guys have any places you can go and
say the usual and they know what you want? I have places that I can go and they'll
ask me if I want what I normally order. I think that counts.
And then I realized that I could never go to that place ever. Yeah, it's like I'm going here too much. They know me
Retreat back into obscurity. Do you have one Thanos? No
Oh, I
Changed I changed it up too often. I'm not like a okay hyperspeed it on something for like a couple weeks
And then I'll I'll move on to the next one
This B1 has been phenomenal. All right, you get through real retches as planned the lust also being sent here
so this is
The lust that you use to kill this boss on heroic right the 155 actually a little bit later
Then the mythic cast sequence is slightly delayed from the heroic one
But the two-minute ish lust and then carrying it into that burn using those liquid luster pots as well
Preferentially for anybody that it's close so they because it you haven't be fully stacked up
Looks like they're gonna be molting the warden as well
One extra egg was still not able to be cracked there
But you can just pass it into the cauldron and bring it with you here
So we have one extra walling
And so we're molting the warden, bringing it over and molting again.
Just spawning all the eggs instead.
Spawning all the eggs instead, yeah.
Interesting.
Interesting.
Interesting.
And now, focusing down some of these shields on those back eggs.
Hopeful here.
Ooh, looking to goop down.
A lot of the rest of the raid now and a lot of trouble as well.
The damage on the raid, pretty intense here.
Feels like something went wrong with the way this...
I'm not sure, yeah, I'm not sure what it was, but...
Certainly not how it's supposed to look.
It should really bring the split up sides there, potentially,
to do both sets of edges at the same time.
It did seem like they were doing a sort of North hallway, South hallway split.
That differs from how they were talking about before, right?
It does, yeah, this is a new way of handling the phase.
I haven't been watching enough of Echo to know if this is...
Anything from them or if this is new for us
So I did watch a couple of us from back of this morning
It looks like they were just tackling the phase the same way that like what was doing it last time doing one side
So we might have some innovation here. However, they were notoriously slow without lust
They were like spawning the doom scale at like 90 energy on the ball
So the way that it that they so when we talk about molting the warden
That's if you bring the warden over that line back towards the middle of the room
It will instantly cast shadow molt and then teleport to the nearest egg and then activate that egg
Right and materialize it so that you can start damaging it and well so that it can hatch into a rawling early
It's a good strategy to be able to get access to those eggs early
But it did seem like the second time they molted it it may be teleported to an unexpected egg because it
It went to the other hallway than where they they
maybe wanted it like it it sort of felt like they were trying to mold it again to the south and it
The second bolt actually went north. I'm not sure if that was intended though because they did end up
Seeming like they were able to split up
But man being split up at that time seems really sketchy because that's when you're getting those tether breaks
It feels like even if you do want to split up in that phase
You probably need to do it after you handle the five stack
You know tether break with all your healing CDs and raid CDs, so I think that was probably not how that was supposed to look
But I could be wrong. They could be on some crazy
Innovation there in that phase. We'll have to see them get there again and really analyze it
Never wish you could just shadow molt back home. Oh, yeah
Yeah, if I ever crossed the threshold of like more than a mile away from home
It just took me back home and maybe a brought a tasty treat with me. Oh, it's tasty. It's a treat
What kind of tasty treat?
One of these orange dreams cool monsters
Think I've got the taste for them now
Oh, yeah, sorry, what's your go-to case to treat?
Think about that. I don't do some bubble. I was good. I don't back home. I don't any good boba boys
Really? Well, we don't have any here either. No, stop you guys. Whoa
Okay, um
Yeah, yes, please I'd like some debris in my teeth
Okay, can I say something? I like them. I just like the milk tea. I'm not that big of a fan of the actual boba
interesting I would just drink the tea you can do that yeah so I'm with you
Dreadnest I'm gonna have to see where your your actual area you must live in
the burbs I live way out in the burbs okay that makes sense then okay so like
if you if you if anyone knows Dallas I'm familiar with the the city yeah you
know the one in Texas yeah yeah that was where we did the races back when
up in Frisco. Yeah. Oh God. So I'm way out east. If you look at Dallas proper, there's
a big old lake off to the right. Yeah. It's like Lake Ray Hubbard. Yeah. I live across
the lake. Oh, I live in a city called Rockwall, which is it's way it's like probably 35 minutes
from the city. Okay. So yeah, it's way on the burbs. Did you live there when we were
back when we were doing the race in Frisco? No, no, I moved there like right after.
Okay, that's actually no I went to one I went to one race there living there. I threw up there. Mm-hmm. That was the last one
People are saying you don't have an accent
Most people in major cities in Texas don't really have
Yeah, you got to be in rural Texas for sure. I don't think I've heard you say y'all before gotta go out to the all
Well, let's say it but it's not like a twice like it's how you'll do
How y'all it's a good work. I use that that is not a
that that is not a natural thing for where I'm from. It's just a convenient word.
I would say I have more like Midwestern tendencies than Texas
tendencies. Okay. Do you ever you ever throw in an oh, oh, yes.
Please buy someone. Oh, sorry. Oh, he's right by you there, bud.
Dude, it's a good great word.
I have a couple of two tree monsters today. Oh, gather.
Good.
My family is from Michigan, from Michiganders.
Okay, they're so if you look at the the hand, yeah, they live like right here, okay
Yeah, it's like right below the pointer for chat for people my michiganers, you know
That's a real real convenient way to be able to point where things are yeah into your state
You do that often in that state only if you're a troll if you're if you're if you're from the uber
They don't really mess with you. Oh, yeah, there. Okay. There's that one part in Michigan. That's like connected to Canada
The choice very close, the choice very close, I think it's the choice, yeah, pretty sure,
oh the top part, it's like I don't know how to explain like it's only connected to Canada
but it's a part of America and if you want to go anywhere else in America you have to
go back into Canada or like take a boat, have you no heard of this, I went through
a whole deep dive on them because the kids that go to school have to take a boat for
like a fairy oh that's in Minnesota okay I'm sorry Minnesota my bad yeah okay
yeah there's a little bit of the top of Minnesota that is like an enclave yeah
yeah I see you see yeah yeah northeast angle yeah that sounds right angle in
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah people live up there it's a stable lot probably
not probably not too many yeah but it's like really tough if you're a school
aged kid. Yeah I can imagine. Have you taken, have you guys taken this, um, there's like a
test, there's a test that you can take online that'll tell you where you're from based off
of like your, oh yeah, that's a good one. How do you pronounce this word and then it
gives you like some things that might rhyme with it and you click the one that does and
then it all is like, and you live within three blocks of this location. I think it's
It's called, like, use y'all's and something. Hold on.
I actually, I've done this a couple times because I was curious about it.
And, like, there are some things that, like, I don't have words for.
So, like, for example, if you are on the corner of an intersection,
what do you call the corner that is diagonally across from you?
Kitty corner?
I see, I don't have a word for it.
But a lot of people say kitty corner, catty corner, something like that.
I also have no word for that.
take it and then we'll pass along the laptop. Okay, how would you address a group of two
or more people? So I would say you guys naturally. I think so as well. Yeah. How do you pronounce
the second syllable of pajamas? Pajamas. Pajamas. Do you say pajamas? Could be pajamas. Could
be pajamas. Pajamas. Do you pronounce caught and caught the same? The same. You just
did. You just did. Yeah. Caught. Caught. What do you call the long sandwich that
It contains cold cuts, lettuce, and so on, just like a Subway sandwich.
Yeah, a Subway sandwich.
Some people will call it a grinder, some people will call it a...
There's a lot of different words for that, actually.
I don't really have a word for that.
What would you call it, Matt?
I think a sub, yeah.
A long sandwich.
I'd call it a Subway sandwich.
A hero, a hoagie.
Maybe sub?
I don't know.
Do you have to type your answer, or is it a multiple choice?
It's multiple choice.
Yeah, I am.
That one has a lot of answers.
I remember that one.
What would you call a sale of unwanted items on your porch in your yard sale?
A yard sale, yeah.
There's some really interesting ones on there because there's like stoop sale. Yeah, there's carport sale our port sale yard sale
Crazy, what do you call the small fresh waterlops? They're often found in lakes and streams crawdad crawdad. So it's a craw. That's a crayfish
That is cray cray cray
All right, what do you call a big road on which you drive relatively fast
Distinction now there's a stint. There's a distinction. There's not gonna be a highway or a freeway
There's two different that is the difference one of them is bigger
I'm telling you, these are things.
Alright, Kitty Corner.
I saw the Kitty Corner one.
What do you call the large, well-contained American mountain line?
What do you call it?
Yeah, mountain line.
Dooger.
Dooger?
Yeah.
Do you call it traffic jam caused by drivers slowing down to look at an accident or other
diversion?
Those are rubber neck hangings.
Okay, that's just weird rubber neck rubber necking or rubber necking is the activity that causes the traffic jay, but I have nowhere for the
Yeah, that's I would say that I would say that behavior and the and the jam is yeah, you know
Oh, this is a traffic jam burning hot where I'm from. Okay
You call the sweet spread that is put on cake frosting or icing frosting
I feel like icing is more like what's on like a cinnamon roll or something. How do you pronounce crayon?
Is it Cran or Crayon? Cran.
With one syllable rhymes with man. Cran.
That's close to what you did. Yeah. How do you pronounce the first syllable, lawyer?
Rhymes with, wait. Rhymes with lawyer rhymes with
flock. Lawyer? Yeah, you're the lawyer.
You know what you think about it too hard. Yeah, you get in your head. This is so long.
Okay, I'm just going to like burn through this. There's two more questions. Yeah. What do you call the thinker
You might drink water in school
They have a bubbler but we're not a lot of women. That's not all the heck
We call the rubber sole shoes worn in gym class
Tennis shoes. Yeah. Oh other people say sneakers
Gym shoes a lot of different things people call we call the small-grade bug that curls up into a ball when it's touched
A pill boat
How do you pronounce bin?
Bin.
Like I've been there.
Not bin.
Sit, bin, sit, bin.
Oh, we got another burn here, good P1 push.
Let's see how low we can get the boss, 66% was the last push.
We expect that they'll probably get it a little lower once they get more familiar with
the pace.
Yeah, I think the kill range, you're probably looking for sub 60, at least if you want
to be on heroic kill pace, which I assume is roughly going to be my thick kill pace
as well, because it seems like it's a similar cast sequence.
So let's see how low they're able to get the boss on this one.
Venomous Heart exposed for six more seconds.
Looks like we're going to be able to get it down. Sub-66 at least.
Yeah, it's a little better. 3% probably. Not bad.
We'll attack Submerges. Rogue's climbing there a lot. Yeah, Rogue's absolutely looking great at that part.
I like this composition a lot.
Warden. So let's see how they do this. So the Warden is instantly molted over to
this north hallway here on Hopeful's side. Let's see if they're gonna go, yeah,
they are gonna go for the remolt. So yep, staking it once again to that corner,
and let's see where it goes. Okay, yeah, it does molt again north. So they do
want it to molt the same side twice. I've got another egg activated here.
Hopeful is now one of the tethers. Let's see how they do these breaks.
Looks like they're getting ready for it. He is going to do break number one and now
they're waiting. Healing through the one stack everybody else is extending their
tether and here comes a five stack. Inside the AMZ, inside the darkness, we've got
the dream breath flying as well. This is the damage check or the damage
instance that was nerfed as well. Just now a couple minutes ago we had a
25% nerf to the damage of that break. So a five stack is effectively a four
Now much more survivable
Well time on the damage app you've cleared one side of this side. Yeah
This is the side that was faster last but this means that the Wharton is already dead
So now the other side is just gonna have a little bit of egg damage to do Nick
Unfortunately goes down there. It's a battle is available for him
Expended now to bring him back up a new rest will be ready in 10 seconds as well on this side
The damage check so we're looking at that cast bar on those boss frames
to pick up that back egg back eggs need to be picked up now which means now we
need to break these eggs here these ideally should already be dead that's
the thing we'd like to have happen is we want these to have been broken in time
to then pick up that back egg unfortunately we do have a doom scale
hatching the the real way not by tossing it in the cauldron so that
is gonna be a wipe here the phase looks good though that was promising it's
just wow what a brutal phase in terms of the damage tuning. Not not the incoming
damage but the amount of damage we have to do to actually get through that phase.
I mean that looks close to perfect. They molted the warden extra times as well
to activate additional eggs and even still not actually that close to being
able to make the check to beat those last eggs. I mean they were just
swapping on to them as they would have needed to get them down. And this is
what Echo's been having an issue with for the past couple hours. The damage
check in this phase without the lust has been incredibly difficult for them to
get through it is a lot of damage to do in a very short window everything kind
of cascades into itself killing the warden faster killing the eggs faster
let's go to the other side faster and you can see she keep was actually holding
the egg they're waiting to move until the gestate started so they didn't just
spot a bunch of diapers so like that that could have been pretty nasty for
them to deal with but again more damage more consistency keep getting back
they're getting through phase one with a good push, would be pretty happy.
How'd you do, Aya?
It got the region.
Yeah?
Yeah.
Nailed it?
I don't know if it nailed it.
It kind of just gave like a red blob in like kind of the southwest.
Okay.
Do you want to take it?
I've taken it a couple times already.
Does it get it right?
It's pretty accurate for me.
The thing that's interesting about it is it tries to zone in on your location
and it gives you region-specific questions.
Oh, it does.
They're the Texas-specific question that it asks.
It has like a tree. It's not the same point of questions for everybody. It's like
Interesting. As you pick some of those. I imagine those like 20 answer questions early help it kind of narrow down
Where to ask you later? That's cool. I would have thought living in the Midwest would have would have muddled it up for a little bit, but maybe
So like for example in Texas, I don't you've been the tech you guys open the Texas couple times
You know how on the highways in Texas every single highway has roads along the side of it
Yeah, right
It's not like that everywhere in the U.S. obviously.
People have different highway systems.
But in Texas, literally every single highway
will have a road on the outside of it
for access to the highway
and then access to the buildings around it.
Based on which city you're in,
they're called something different.
Really?
So in Houston, they're called feeder roads.
In Dallas, they're called frontage roads.
I would have called them frontage roads.
Yeah.
In Austin, they're called service roads.
That's so interesting.
People call them different things
in different places in Texas.
I don't think there's any Colorado specific terms.
I don't think so.
we share a lot of dialect with New Mexico, Utah.
Call it a day.
They got Austin and Dallas backwards, but yeah, linguistic
terms. I mean, like, you know, they kind of like talk like
this, bro. Like, dude, I'm gonna go up to the ski resort,
bro. I'm gonna like shred some sick powder, get some turns
in, bro.
Chat wants to take the quiz. Can you link it in chat for me?
Oh, yes. Yes. Yes, I can.
All right, I found a let's see food, lingo.
I'm not saying anything that sounds particularly it's I'm just seeing like combinations of word
Combination yeah, okay for Denver specific specifically been rocking Rocky Mountain oysters. That's true. Yeah, we got those
Yeah, I would I think the only thing
The only thing that is specifically Colorado is we say Colorado
Colorado rather and I think literally the rest of the country said Colorado. That's funny. It's like it's like a
Nevada and they versus Nevada and they get they get mad at you if you do the wrong one of those we're we're really
Proud of the fact that we just completely butcher
Native words like we have a town called
Buena Vista, but you're supposed to save you in Vista. Otherwise, you're a disgusting transplant
You don't belong. Yeah
That's crazy. Yep
Trying to think of it. There's anything
crazy weird about where I live that I could think of or I grew up
anyways yeah I mean where I where I grew up nobody has an accent it's everybody
talks normal where I came from and everybody else has an accent so that's
the distinctive thing about about me chat saying you say BV I feel like the
only people that say BV and the people that live in Budivista or near it but
the rest you know the Denverites you know this stuff wait what else what
other ones did you get any no I couldn't find anything that seemed that good we're
not special we're pretty unique yeah yeah when I so I live in Ohio for I know
you guys know this but for chat when I live in Ohio for like four years they
have a lot of like I feel like this is probably everywhere in America like
indigenous like road names and town names those ones are tough
specifically in Ohio yeah but for instance there's this there's this
It's well known street up in New York City that's called Houston Street, but they don't
know it.
They call it Houston Street.
Houston what?
I don't know what's wrong with them.
Who does?
There's a street in New York that's called Houston Street and they get mad at you if
you say Houston.
Jesus.
It's Houston.
That's stupid.
Yep.
That's in the Soho, North and South of Houston.
Is that what Soho means?
Yeah.
Huh.
What?
South of Houston Street.
Oh.
I don't even know that.
Howsting.
So it's so interesting.
I'm learning things.
I guess it makes sense, because in San Francisco we have Soma, which is south of market, so.
Oh, okay.
Makes sense.
What are some San Francisco isms?
Earthquake!
It's the big ones coming.
We won't be waiting for it.
I have some Houston isms.
That storm's not that bad.
I'll wait it out.
Oh.
Yeah, because I don't get it
Nobody nobody cares about hurricanes in Houston. That seems dangerous. Yeah, it is
I just like everyone I know that everybody in Colorado takes force by very seriously
Those are our version of hurricanes Chad has identified hella as a Bay Area ism
Oh, that's very true, I use that so, yeah.
Okay, because I knew Colorado went through that phase, but that was a long time ago.
Production suggesting Haifee. Haifee was never part of my Lex gun, but I've heard it before.
The New San Francisco South is just people being like, oh, what are you building?
I'm a founder. That's the meta conversation there now.
People in chat are saying Ohio has skyline chili, but that's an atrocity, no one likes that.
We'll talk about that.
I have a chat message here, what do you take on this one, Zyra?
Blizzard just deleted phase two with that nerf.
LaMau?
LMAO Eden.
I think phase two might still need another nerf before it's killful.
I'm not confident, but they nerfed some of the incoming damage at phase two, but they have not nerfed the
outgoing, like the amount of damage we have to do to get through that phase, which I thought was the
going to be the wall of that phase. So I will have to see still. There is a Viper spawn,
so I'm not sure we will see on this pull. So yeah, you can see an Angel form activated,
more starting to go down. Two tanks dead as well, this is going to be very quickly over.
I had I know a San Francisco isn't I have a AI startup. Yep
Don't I sound like a native it's a genetic yes
Efficiency streamline
Did you perhaps Skyline Chile when you were in Ohio no, I just like making fun of them and saying it's bad because it makes them
really upset. Yeah, it's very upset now. It's very it's very polarizing for people
who don't know what Skyline chili is. It's like a very Ohio based chain. Oh, okay.
That is, it's a few it's very few select ingredients. It's spaghetti with chili
and cheese. Ooh, they also have cinnamon in there too. Ooh, it probably is.
Okay, I gotta try that. In theory, it sounds great. I love cinnamon. I went
to the original one in Cincinnati and let me just describe the experience first of all absolutely
crowded the building I mean you could tell it was historic I'm not gonna like dock points
for that there was cheese all over the floor shredded cheese everywhere tables were a mess
vibes were weird I order their classic like spaghetti topped with Skyline chili topped
with shredded cheese, there was like water in the spaghetti.
It was like watery still.
It's like they didn't strain it properly.
Noodles were undercooked.
Chili was just like, like I swear to God,
I could have gotten better chili at Wendy's.
And then just like some packaged shredded cheese
just sprinkled on top.
And it was the most mid dish I've ever had in my life.
Yeah, that could happen.
And I was with like someone that lives there,
she was so excited to show me.
I felt so bad.
So bad.
It was fun though, it was fun to go to the original one.
I think it was like three in the morning too, it was really late.
One of the meta dishes in the Ensemblages goes to our sourdough.
Oh?
Sourdough, very good though.
I haven't heard of this.
Yeah, it's a big sourdough bakery that I think started there.
Oh, that's cool.
Did you get your own starter?
I love sourdough.
I'm not a bread guy, I know there comes a point in every person's life where you
had offered like the chance to spec into a different obscure hobby and a lot of
people do choose the bread making but I would play Riftbound except I don't
like there's no like full digital experience for it like right I would
play so much Riftbound if there was an actual client for it on the computer but
it's only you can only like play you know like a third-party right version
online right and yeah I don't know I I would play it in person a little bit but
I I don't want to play it at all if I can't play it mostly at home that makes
sense you can't like yeah can't play tests on a yeah I mean you could like
you know I see be as the European to say I see be with that I see be a bro
they trolling or can I uh can I defend Ohio for a second let's hear it okay so
They've got this chain called B B ball. Have you guys ever heard of this? It is
Fantastic, what is it? Let me tell you it is like fat. It's like Chipotle, but it's like Korean
So good if you guys ever go to Ohio find a baby, but I think they're spreading I think they're everywhere
I think there's even one in LA. It's like it's first of all insane value
For your buff just a massive bowl of rice and like really fresh
ingredients it's so good yeah I went there with soup ones actually yeah
one in the Easton mall yeah yeah yeah really good it was good they can wish I
had that down in Dallas God I know let's see the Colorado food you got bojo's
you guys have a bojo's it's a famous pizza place so kind of it's kind of
touristy but it's really good and they started the culture of Colorado dipping
their pizza crust into honey. Oh it's so great. It's so good. I'm sure it's great.
You dip the pizza? You can dip the pizza part in ranch but if you so if you eat the
pizza you save the crust and then you dip the crust in honey and it's like a
little dessert. It's like a little built-in dessert. That's fair. Yeah but
people do it with every every crust. Can you see the name of the chain again?
somebody in chat missed it bojoes be a u j o s oh like oh with like the name like
oh like I see I that's one of the ones where I think you got it you got a
clarify the spelling of it because I guess like the O day I don't know why
I would every time I bring this up people think I'm insane it's bread and honey
I don't know how that's like controversial it's literally like a
soap of fear do you have a favorite type of pizza cheese oh no I mean like
style of pizza
Like just regular bojo style thick cut with New York style pizza. No. No. No. Is it New York?
It's a thick crust though. Yes, really thick crust. Thin pizza. The breadier the better. Okay. Yeah
Because I like to get my cut. I had a place that makes New Haven style pizza open up for me
It's really good. I saw a set of pictures of like different styles of pizza
And there was like Detroit style and Chicago and New York, of course.
And then there was this one that looks like it was just like a melted
slice of American cheese, like microwaved on top.
And apparently there's just like some city in the Midwest that just like does this.
Oh my goodness, that move from hopeful.
We're going to need a replay on that one afterwards.
I actually I think that that's a there's outplay to the vipers on that.
So, OK, I didn't know this was possible, but you know how the vipers
when they dive bomb somebody and hit them with a healing absorb it looks like it's
possible to time a blink so that you can dodge it and I think that's what
hopeful did that's interesting so like fixates yes like it's gonna die on you
but there's a brief window where it is diving that is locked in its location
and you can blink out of it which I did not I did not know you could do that
but it's a possible way to recover a pull with a viper of course not this
bolt the vipers it's one of those things like it's a cool move that you
only ever have to do with a Viper spawn so it's kind of bad but that was really
cool I did not know you could do that there was a clean move and I think he
was carrying an egg while he was doing it as well so that's a scary time to hit
the blink but but it didn't matter yeah it didn't matter
but we saw you we saw the aura have you guys ever had a Chicago style pizza yeah
which one because there's two I don't know I went to some of the deep dish and
there's tavern pizza which is like really really thin thin crispy pizza
Okay, it was thick and it had the sauce on top.
That's deep dish.
Okay, yeah, it was really good.
I went to some famous place in Chicago.
We waited in line forever for it.
Okay, here, here, here, watch this.
So the dive bomb, see that circle indicator on him?
That dive bomb was coming, and then you just blinked,
and then you see the vipers just behind him,
and nobody got the healing absorb.
So here comes again, maybe even,
he's carrying the egg,
he needs to not get on top of somebody else.
He's getting targeted by the viper.
He back steps a little bit, aims this shot.
The viper starts its dive bomb,
And he blinks out of it, and it's now going behind him.
And he blinks into the coil, spawns his Rawling.
Beast.
Gamer move there for sure.
That was a heroic attempt to save a pole.
Somebody else messed up and spawned a Viper,
and hopeful nearly, I mean, hopeful did absolutely
everything in his power to try and keep that pole alive.
Unfortunately, he still ended up being a Viper.
But that's an A plus performance on that pole
from the young mage.
Yeah, deep dishes. I enjoyed deep dish. I think it's really good. And I, and I think I'll get it whenever I go to Chicago just because like, I feel like it's something that you should get while you're there.
I've been told it's tourist sloth.
Yeah, that's just some,
I don't care.
That's just some dude being edgy.
Y'all are negative.
If somebody wanted to come to my great state and try bojo's pizza, I would not shame you. I would say have fun.
Go forth.
I've been to the original.
Happy tourist.
It's pretty good.
Been to Luma Valley.
I've been to Giordano's.
Open to all the big ones. They're all good
The thing about deep dish pizza is you're getting like a meal for the next three days. Yeah. Yeah
I mean, it's it's not really pizza, right? It's like soup contained within a bread bowl
But on a kind of an industrial scale, right? Like
That's a yeah, it's casserole. Someone was asking about New Haven Pizza, and I think this is something that
New Haven style pizza. So it's a very crispy pizza done specifically and like coal-fired oven if I'm not mistaken
It's almost burnt, but not it's like I see it's got the like crispy like charred
Blackened bits on the crust. Yeah, I like that. It's really really good
That sounds just like kind of like it like a tally like a norik. Oh gee pizza
I just like the I do like a wood-fired pizza where you got like the doughy
You know like soft
Yeah, that is good. Mmm. New Haven is like that but crispy
Yeah, I wonder what the closest style of American pizza is to like Italian pizza
to like the OG pizza
And you know, we're just funny burger. Yeah, yeah
It probably is like the wood fired kind right yeah, cuz that's a
It was because there's what there's back in Naples right where they mm-hmm came up with pizza before New York perfected it
Oh, yeah, we do have green chili in Colorado.
Oh, you guys ever had that?
Hatch chilies?
Yeah.
Well, it's made out of hatch green chilies, but it's like a green chili sort of like gravy
almost.
People like to smother burritos and stuff, so if you ever go to Colorado or New Mexico,
they have it, too.
There's like a rivalry actually going on between New Mexico and Colorado and who
actually invented it.
Now, nobody can tell me I'm wrong in this position.
I have the microphone.
It was Colorado.
We did it for us. I'm triggering people, probably. But yeah, if you ever go there.
Oh man, both of our viewers from New Mexico are going to be unhappy about that.
Yay!
I asked them right about Grimaldi's Pizza in Sugar Land. I grew up in Sugar Land.
That's my spot.
It's called Sugar Land?
It's the name of the city, yeah.
Oh, that's a sweet name.
Well, that's where Imperial Sugar is from. It's like one of the biggest.
I don't know what that is.
It's one of the biggest sugar companies in the U.S.
Oh, okay.
The original mill was there.
Mm-hmm. That's fine. It's decent. I
Didn't actually go there that much. I I prefer a Houston establishment called pepperonis, which is like New York style pizza
Oh my god, if they if they put those in Dallas, I would be so happy. That's so that pizza is so good
What's like a what do you feel like Texas is the best at with barbecue or Tex-Mex Tex-Mex and barbecue?
Yeah
There's something pretty special Texas barbecue clears any other barbecue in the US
And there's gonna be someone from like, Tennessee or Kentucky that got dry road barbecue is the best. No, uh-uh
No, Texas brisket clears anything you got. Sorry, bud. We've got a Memphis barbecue partisan in chat
St. Louis is another big one. No, Texas clears Kansas City clears apparently somebody references the
Tornado burger in Stafford slash sugarland. Are you familiar with that? I am familiar with that
What's the what is the what's the war on that one? It's just a good burger place. Just a burger place again
Ornado burger. It's like a brand not a type of burger
Yeah, yeah, I see this. I mean this looks pretty good
Does that look right?
Just kind of a good looking burger. Yeah, I respect it. I respect it. So the funny thing about tornado burger is um
That was their second establishment. They were known for their first establishment was which was tornado taco
And then when that got really popular over the years, and they made a second shop actually right next to it called Turn it Over.
We got Shaq's POV now for this poll, although he's gone dark on the camera.
The best, okay so I'm not from an area that is known for its barbecue, so take what I say with a grain of salt.
The best barbecue I've ever had is in Jackson Hole, Wyoming.
That's surprising.
Oh my god, it was so good.
good. You ever find yourself out in Dallas? I'll take you to a place that'll
calm down. That'll make you wish you lived in Texas for a while. Who took me to a really
good place? I forget what it was. Where would you take me? Just for some place
quick that I know we can get into. We're going to Terry Blacks. Terry Blacks.
That's one of the better places. It's a decent price, but there are a
couple other better places if you really want to get out there in Dallas.
Yeah, alright. Wow, we have started a lot of fights in chat that are
just still running I know I like it this is this is great Hutchins barbecue is
that what it was called Hutchins is good Hutchins is very good oh I'm sorry I
think yes that's where spoon cookie that's very that's very good I one of
the better ones I ate so much banana pudding he might have taken you the
best one actually it was it seemed kind of OG it was it was an old building
with all the grudies so people that are saying rudies that's like a Texas
Staple Rudy's is like the McDonald's of barbecue. Like it's not that's not saying it's bad. It's good
You know, you're gonna get something decent everywhere you go, but it's not anywhere near the best
Well, it's like you're going to talk about you don't expect Mexican food. You want to talk about yeah, like that, okay?
Well, we've got some people that aren't from the state with somebody who's like, I don't know any of this
I'm from Norway. Oh wow you are in for a treat
next time if you ever ever get the chance to visit
it's a dishes, a famous dish in Norway
oh they're like putting banana on pizza up there
I thought that was sweet and sour
that's like Sweden, they're probably there too though
they're all like the same up there
yeah I think they love it when you
played them all yeah
Norway and Sweden I think famously all best friends
yeah
yeah they at least in Sweden it was the Lingonberries
lots of fish, lots of fish yeah
you guys ever had Lingonberries?
had lingonberries. I have not had that. Lingonberry. I've had the swoosh meatballs with
lingonberry sauce and gravy. At IKEA. It's delicious. It's the best thing ever. One of
the worst parts of now not being in the race anymore is we don't see his abominations
during the race. Oh my goodness. Yeah, the pizzas. Kebab pizzas. This fall of snow
makes you on Twitter for that.
Two points.
The worst pizza imaginable.
So bad.
I'll show you.
They'll be like, our pizza is the best.
And they'll show you a pizza with an entire salad on it.
And it's like, guys, what are we doing here?
Like, come on, the country that invented.
What did they invent?
I don't know.
Which country?
Swedish
Yeah, they had the Alan rich, thank you production
Well done. Yeah, so many chat reference to pierogies. That's like that's Polish, right? Yeah
good pierogi
I would love to oh, yes, sir sir. I don't know. Yeah, that's like fermented fish
Yeah, well, we had another good pull here. Yeah, I was trying to watch and see what what was going wrong with this while also scanning chat for food related
Information and it looks like another doom scale hatch incident the damage check again. It's just so brutal for this phase
Things went pretty well though up until that point and again the boss burn is starting to look promising. I think that was a 63 percenter. Oh
Yeah, Sweden has Fika
People say strucwuffle. No, I'm pretty sure. Strucwuffle is the Netherlands, right? Yeah. I'm pretty sure United Airlines admitted those, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. True, true.
Yeah, and also a Biskoff cookie. They have this meta there in like the Netherlands and Belgium that's like a free chop where it's like, it's just, you go and you get fries.
And then you just walk in, you get your like thing of fries, and then they just have like 60 different sauce dispensers with different sauces.
But how do you know about this? Well, I'm looking Belgium for a year. Oh, I thought you said the Netherlands.
Well, yeah, it's the Netherlands and Belgium have this it's meta there. They're close enough that they sure share
That's a culinary
Incredible like the northern part of Belgium like the Flanders right okay, because Belgium Belgium is a bottom-half's French and the top half is
Basically Dutch it's the Flemish
What they'll get at what are they called Dutch like a free chop a fry shop free chop. Yeah
So the toppings were in there and again, it's just like a million different sauces. Whatever you want
so it's like what's your favorite sauce yeah or dip I like the I like a lot of
different ones but you know back at home I'm partial to an American special to
get known as ketchup put that on the fries can't go wrong just right just
regular ketchup a little bit ketchup you ever had a spicy ketchup oh I don't mind
a spicy ketchup yeah that real mm-hmm I don't know if I like that there's a
so here's another Texan thing we got a lot of burger down there you have to
pronounce it that way it's what a water burger what a burger okay not you don't
say what a burger it's a water burger and everyone's like all these burgers are
made in and out is better five guys is better yeah the burgers aren't great you
go to what a burger for two things you go for the patty melt okay you go for the
breakfast breakfast starts at 11 p.m. goes to 11 am late night snack okay get a
honey butter chicken biscuit get some spicy ketchup not for the chicken but
chicken this way to keep the spicy ketchup for late yeah Austin so good
It's a late night delicacy in Texas.
All right, oh, I saw we were putting up our timer again
to track our server.
For anybody in chat who hasn't been with us
for some of these polls, there's often
been quite a bit of time between them.
So we've started a fun little game
of tracking our time between polls
without a break timer, right?
This is, it doesn't count if there's a break timer,
because of course that's to be expected.
But our all-time best for non-break timer,
time between polls yesterday or two days ago, I guess now,
was 20 minutes and 42 seconds.
We're on a quest to see if we can have that ever be beaten right now at two minutes forty.
That's a long 20 minutes is crazy.
There was an unbelievable shift on Monday, right?
Where they pulled like 90 times.
I think there was a 45 minute period where they pulled twice.
That was pretty crazy.
I think my favorite sauce, or dip, what I have to say, I mean, ranch is just so good.
The good ranch is part of the beat.
This is like if you could only have one sauce for the rest of your life.
If I could only have one sauce, I think it would have to be ranch.
That's the Midwest coming out of me, I think.
I think I'd probably go with ketchup, but I like barbecue sauce, but like a good barbecue sauce.
Maybe it would like...
I don't know what I would do.
Little sweet, little hot, little heat to it.
I'd do sweet soy sauce.
Ooh, soy sauce is good.
Have you guys ever had poutine?
Yeah, that's a poutine.
Yeah.
Poutine?
Mm-hmm.
I went to Toronto recently, oh so good.
Yeah I've had some in Montreal, so many chat referencing that as well.
I think that's where it's from.
I think you're right.
It's a Quebec specialty.
There's also people on Twitter asking what the best ranch is.
And I'm ashamed to admit it.
But nowhere's known, the best ranch in the world actually comes from Winston.
I cannot explain it. They just have the best ranch
It just has the best
Lot of truth coming in from chat. How do they make it though?
I don't know. They just mix it in a certain way that better than everyone else
Cal Mazi was having a
Meltdown because he saved a bunch of wingstop ranch that he wanted to show tobo
And he was like dragging tobo to the kitchen like so excited to
Introduce him to wingstop ranch somebody thrown it all the way
And like I kept being like oh, but you have the packets like you can make it. He's like it's not the same
No, he brings the powdered ranches like a bit. Yeah, that's that stuff is disgusting. It's awful. Yeah, it's it's just no
No, I mean you guys saw what happened during the World Cup, right? Yeah whole bunch of Europeans came here discovered ranch
Tried to bring it back and got it taken away at customs. Yeah, so
ranch is good
Yeah, Wingstop. I like their fries, but only for the first couple of minutes they come out
of the oven.
Yeah, just a couple of minutes.
Yeah, then over the first five minutes of their lifespan outside of the oven, you must
eat them in that time span or else it is over.
Yeah.
Yeah, a couple of days ago, in one of the late night ordering sessions, they got some
Wingstop. This was one of the nights I went home early, so I heard about it the
next day. They ordered fries as part of that as well. And I would say you never
want to get the Wingstop fries for delivery right that's uh that's a miss for sure unacceptable
decision-making gap only if you're eating there picking them up
first for dips do the good chili con queso goes hard that's a good one that is good
i like the uh the
What was it? K-pop demon hunter?
I had the Hunter sauce from McDonald's. I've got 20 of them left in my fridge.
I'm savoring them for a good day and I will be clinging on those onto those for dear life.
Oh my god did you guys see Kelly Clarkson singing golden?
Yeah, she nailed it.
She just, you're not supposed to be able to sing it.
Yeah, in the correct key right?
Yeah, nobody is actually able to sing that. Yeah, and like she that's the thing she didn't screech. She actually like sing it. Yeah
What a beast it's crazy that they made a TV show to find the best singer and they've like found her on the first try
It's like something from success as well because it's like and now we're gonna make 20 more seasons of find the best singer
When we've already found her I think the closest person is like Carrie Underwood, but didn't she not even win
I think you're right. She likes second or something. Mm-hmm. I can't name another a single other
No, Melanie Martino, never mind.
That was the voice.
Yeah, you're right.
Who even else is from that show?
That show fell off.
It did. The first few seasons were great,
and then it was kind of like, OK.
So when you ask, what is this timer?
That is the timer between poles.
We are trying our best to defeat our all time best
of a 20 minute time between poles.
Oh, Jennifer Hudson.
Oh, really? Yeah.
Oh, Doctory as well.
Yeah. Okay, so there's a few.
There's a few.
There's a few.
Oh, William Humm.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The goat.
There have been some people that have gotten pretty famous from not winning the show as well.
Mm-hmm.
Like?
Adam Lambert.
Oh.
Okay.
There was one.
See, they got this, like...
No, that's not Levine.
No, that's not Levine.
That's the...
Oh.
That's Moon 5.
Yeah, at least singer Moon 5.
Moon 5.
He's a judge on...
on uh on one of those right this is the voice i feel like the era of like vocal
audition shows is kind of it's popped was Vincent Boone on the american
idol someone in chat said is that is that is that real
movie my ice cream does a front flip
that's not a movie
We're gonna get a TMCA'd such a
I like the I like the the bad auditions that would go viral those were those were fun
I feel like a lot of them are on X factor though
One direction wasn't American at all. It was Britain's got talent, right? I think so
Yeah.
Appreciate what it was.
Could be.
Yeah, there are some of those where it's like a talent show, right, where they'll do,
it's not just singing, right, they'll just have people up with like, all sorts of random
talents and then, they'll like be doing magic tricks or whatever, and then there's
always that one judge that's just like unimpressed.
Yep.
And then sometimes, he's impressed, and everybody's like, wow!
They impressed that guy that is never impressed.
Wow!
That's like and I've described several different shows with the
Yeah, you describe the better. Yeah comes on stage this person will never be able to wow me. Oh, yeah
Yeah, or it's like when
Was it Gordon Ramsay will have the bites of the food and then he'll just like chew and just like look at the camera
And screw to play for bit and she'd be like
Dish was
absolutely terrible doughnuts that I didn't get to have that before so I
couldn't tell you how bad it was and it just like he's flipping back and forth
between good and bad it was a key and field that about yeah yeah yeah that's
like that
really he auditioned Benson Boone and he got kicked off the show before it
went live that's surprising
Alright, a 9 minute and 40 seconds split between poles this time around.
Oh, that's pretty good. Our record for today.
Yeah, that isn't today's record. That's a...
Not bad.
Did you think about... I feel like if the Susan Boyle thing could not be...
...repeated today. Like, how ridiculous.
I think she's...
She shows up and they...
...like, quite literally, like, think she's gonna be really bad just because of...
...literally just because of the way she looks.
Which is an insane concept if you think about it.
Again, catching lightning in the bottom, one of the first seasons of the shows, and they've been trying to ride that high ever since, and they haven't been able to find it.
Was that one of the first seasons of the shows?
Uh, in my mind it was. If it wasn't, then I don't care, because I've already decided that's how it was.
Oh, yeah, thank you. Got a bigger beard, did I get it?
Mm-hmm.
Question from chat was, did Lip get his weapon?
He's still... No, he didn't get the Mazeroa. He's got a Intune Sentinels weapon still, so not bad, but...
He coined the guillotine.
Yeah, I coined a mythic guillotine, which is not bad either, but the, uh,
Nezra, of course, would have been the best outcome.
Hold on one sec. I'm going to say this for my southern fellas.
Yeah, yeah.
You coined the guillotine.
The guillotine.
All right.
Got that. That's right.
Hmm, trying to think of other.
Good auditions.
Or bad auditions.
What is Simon?
What is his name?
Yeah, what is he up to probably doing some other talent show that's kind of just his bit now
An idol anymore, I don't think so. I think I got a whole new cast on American Idol
This Katy Perry still doing it. I don't know. I haven't watched in like 15 years. Google American Idol
Judges her in this bowl. Alark is though able to turtle in the corner
Actually, maybe keep this going.
Lost hole full, unfortunately.
Yeah, in the bubble for the Wretch.
Fired up now down as well, as it's heavy in Angel form.
I think this pull is not going to be long for this world.
Splat. Living up to the name as well.
I think, yeah, this one's a good attempt, but let's try this one again.
Let's go next, let's go next. Let's try to lock in on some tall people.
I think given the difficulty of P2,
at P2, I just don't think you're allowed to have a mistake in P1 and really continue a pull at this point.
Yeah, we haven't really been able to like stress test the P2 at all too much at least since they implemented those changes this morning.
They are in, right?
Yeah, so should be.
We had a little back and forth last time, we had a...
Right, yeah, I guess we never know whether a nerf actually goes live anymore, but there should be...
should be so then the nerf to be to is just to the blight vain damage the damage of breaking
the tethers right and yeah that hasn't been actually what's been causing us too many problems
it's kind of been everything else then that just kind of seems to be
and even just getting to be too he wanted not quite getting it to be too
so it's uh since we were all curious definitely not just me american idol judges are currently
We carry it with me, Brian, and Lytle and Richie.
Hmm.
I know one of those names.
It's got a little yee-haw.
So we've got method now with a 67% pull.
Good number.
Thank you for stopping there.
Zyra's just very regrettably did the hand motion.
You might be having some confusion on our leaderboard,
as we have numbers not in the order
that they usually go in.
That's Radario's way of tracking progression
on this fight is, I think, based
of how long you survive into the last phase.
A change that was made because so much of early progression
on this fight was the boss HP was kind of being ignored
and you were just seeing how far you could get in there.
And so for the longest time, you know,
from pulls 50 to 200,
most of these guilds would have the boss
at about the same health percent.
So we were instead tracking how long you survived
into P2, how long you survived into P3.
And I think the leaderboard is still using that metric.
So that's why it still has us in second.
But yeah, method now with the second lowest
boss HP in a longest pull. The funny thing is, there have been boss HPs that have been lower for all these guilds, right? Like Liquid, we've pushed the boss lower
just not in a pull that's gone as long as our 74% pull, right? So that is currently being tracked as our best pull via Raider IO.
This is a little bit confusing, but here's what I will say, it's all going to even out soon once we actually start seeing
P3 progression on the same poles as good P1 pushes that we will get back to
Just all the numbers making sense. Well, it'll never even out till the boss gets to give you there
Also a chance also chance, but you know, it's early in the reset. It's there's a lot of progression to be done
Stay tuned to find out for the time being though
Still operating into this new P1 strategy to try to optimize boss damage
Taking a little bit of a play for Meco's book once again, making sure they're moving this wretch around,
cleaving it down with the boss and the rattle until we get the second wretch spawned and we need to die in the next
10 seconds or so before that next cast goes off from it.
Try to cleave down all these eggs before the next set of waves so that we don't spawn any vipers.
That's the Moonkin's job. Everyone else is going to be doing as much boss damage as possible
for the time being so far so good, but of course the most difficult part of the fight is that
this next overlap coming up where you have to pick up these eggs in the middle of the room,
do a whole bunch of wave dodges, and then all converge on top of the last set of slams of the phase without spawning any vipers.
Yeah, this phase is a nasty one, and we've seen even after a couple hundred poles,
just a huge amount of inconsistency in this phase, it's just so tough to keep these eggs from hatching,
get any of these Viper spawn and you can see once again we have a Viper active
when you do spawn a Viper not only do you have an extra add with a bunch of help
that needs to be taken care of and it's not CC-able in the way that the
Rawlings are but it'll also do those dive bombs and a dive bomb will stun all
the affected players and until you heal off a massive healing absorb on them
so it is basically a wide vivid overlaps with when you need to be
getting inside that wretch circle any of those sorts of things and even if you
managed to kill it there is a one-hour dot placed on the whole raid whenever you spawn
a viper it's not a lethal dot it's like 30,000 dps on the raid but you know if you think about
it that's an extra 600,000 hps that is now being asked of you for the remainder of the
fight as a raid which is pretty crazy. That's more than one healer's worth of healing.
Yeah I mean that's a lot. It's one of the easiest kinds of healing to heal which is like
very non-lethal rot damage.
So there's a good chance that it will capture
what otherwise might have been overhealing.
And so it's a little bit less scary than it sounds,
but it's still basically gonna be a wipe, right?
Like when you see a Viper, nine times out of 10,
they're about to die and they're remaining
one time out of 10, they probably are still gonna die,
but in like a minute or two.
I had a question in chat asking about
if the boss is this difficult,
do we think you have a chance
of China getting back in the race?
Well, it depends on how long the boss stays
in this form and whether or not it actually is
guillible progress, progressable here.
You can see you've got two, actually three Chinese teams
in the top seven.
Yeah, we've got, of course, Zongzhou and number four there
who have got clilled, altered down to 5% or so on the last
phase, identity a little bit further off the mark.
And then, of course, J.S.
Ugg as well, my favorite, my personal favorite.
I love, um, I think they're a really cool guild.
Fan of their shoes as well, right?
Yes, well, not so much, not for me, but I think
something that's really interesting is like,
Chinese girls throughout the years have had this identity not not trying to make a play on the guilt in of
Just chain pull right no discussion white reset pull again. Yeah, there was a time on syndrome
Where as soon as they died there was a pull timer up even before they don't release spirit
I remember watching some clips of that and yeah, absolutely John do team doing exactly that and forth there nearing the
500th pole same thing for identity coiled altar of now at 350 and they're just now getting into p3
Yeah, I think I think they're gonna be reaching very high pull counts on that boss
Yeah, it's a it's one of those things where the pull count can be a little bit misleading right because
You know if you can get more poles in the same hour as somebody else
You'll look bad if somebody just looks at you and is like oh well your pull counts really high
But it's like you're you just are choosing to use your time differently, right?
You're choosing to pull more often and that's not a bad thing, right?
It's like kind of like progress how much time you spending in the raid, right?
Is I think a fairer way to compare guilds which to be fair
Even when you make that adjustment it often still is tough when when you're getting to 500 a thou
I remember there was a tindrel a guild on tindrel that had a thousand balls
Which is understandable bosses very hard coil balter is certainly in that lineage
But not gonna I don't think it's gonna make it to a thousand poles
It is bad news though
So the really bad news for the Chinese teams is none of them secured the 344s in their second reset
That liquid echo and method did which means also none of them get it in their vaults
They will still get to bonus roll it in the next reset probably if they want to so they'll be able to recover some of that value
But they are gonna be at an eye level disadvantage now compared to echo left liquid and method
As we move into this third reset for them as well, which I believe their third reset has just happened a
Little or it's about to happen in the middle of the night for them. I don't know if it happened
Yeah, I think actually your day might be a few hours. Yeah, is there is the
I have another question in chat. Yeah, what you why is thg using believe it or not
He's using ellis mere you why you might be surprised because it looks exactly like default L view
I but he has configured his ellis mere you why to look that way because that's what he's used to yeah
He's been a fan of his specific UI for many years
He was one of the most stubborn players when it came to any suggested changes that liquid would have for people for their UIs because
You know liquid doesn't force anybody to do anything with their UI, but they often will have something that it's like
Hey, this is the best way to do this and then
28 out of 30 people on the roster will adopt it and the people that don't you're like
Trill and THD right yips as well right those players that are just like I don't know got my UI
I like it for THD. It was like LVI for Yipson trail. It's your base UI
But yet THD has converted
to become an acolyte of the Ellesmere UI it's the year of the smear it is the
year of the smear and he's been able to make it look a lot like his old UI
used to anyways but now it's got the benefits of Ellesmere UI which for
those who haven't tried it out yet it's it's really nice it's really nice to
just have a UI that you know on a patch day there's gonna be an update for it
yeah and it's not gonna be one of the culprits that's throwing 400 Lou
errors or if it is it's only gonna be for a couple hours and then there's
going to be a fix versus some of these other ones where it's like I got a
disable my add-on for first week and a half of this batch.
I'm mimicking a machine gun lawyer.
Yeah.
Well, that's a mix thing.
Of what thing?
Uh, mix.
She knows about this.
She gets the same brain rot to tiktok's that I do.
That one is there's this, uh, there's this girl who goes to like
Tuner car rallies. Okay, it like makes the sound of the engine
Yeah
Like accurately or pretty accurately yeah
What is a tuner car like you know, oh
Really old nice cars like a
Oh the skyline
Or what else what else does she do?
There's people in chat who for sure know about this too. It's very common TikToks to be fed.
So many chat asks, how do you feel Ellesmere compares to EQOL? So for those who don't know,
EQOL, it's enhanced quality of life. It's like, it's a kind of sweet of a bunch of random little
quality of life fixes. There is a lot of overlap between what Ellesmere UI's QOL features
have and that one, but there is some that aren't, like you probably want both and then just
turn off any of the duplicate things in I would say EQOL and then there's still a couple that aren't in
the Ellesmere UI quality of life set so that'll be my preferred way of doing it but if you if you
could only have one I think you got all the important ones from either of the like big quality
of life you know tweaks yeah pretty easy to I was worried about that about it overlapping
with some of the ones that I was kind of like the heart stuck on yeah like plater I didn't
want to get rid of my plater profile and you can you can just use yeah you can just turn
turn off L's and rewrite name plates and use whatever other name plates you want.
And it tells you when it's overlapping as well, which is nice.
Yeah, same with like if you want to use bartender or something like that.
Actually, I think that one might be a hard, you know, pick one or the other type situation.
I used to just do my own custom stuff to make that look exactly how I want it.
And then I'm just like, I don't care enough to do it that way anymore.
I'll just get one of the streamer packaged UI.
So you just like put a lot of work in there.
Man, every patch.
it. Keeping it updated every patch is just it's such a such a especially every
patch I'm already I've already got to log in and all of my talent loadouts are
obsolete and Valera has forgotten all of her abilities and every everything is
broken every patch got to redo everything just once I'd like a path
where I log in and I don't have to re-put all my talent points in. Talking
about these tuner cars I mean Skylines are insanely cool one
another one's like an RX7 pretty popular I think I think my dream car would be
an R32 that's what I want to get I'm not a big car guy what's the what's the
it's just a really old nice car I want a G wagon that's what I want do we get
D wagon like a voker oh okay oh yeah yeah yeah not a D wagon I see yeah yeah
yeah it's never gonna happen those are pretty pricey but you know really
I think I can dream.
Yeah.
Are you gonna show us a picture?
Oh, I mean, you've probably seen it.
It was in Fast and Furious.
I have never seen Fast and Furious.
Oh, that looks like a very regular car from the 90s.
Yeah, it looks like a Civic.
My mom had a car just like that.
They don't get it. They don't understand.
It's got four wheels, four doors.
Yeah.
What's the big deal?
Yeah.
Unfortunately, we have another couple players dead. You can see from the raid frames a couple of those egg yolk debuffs a couple of vipers on the battlefield
This one is not going to be a very successful P2
One of the problems of this damage optimization strat is now you're using your lusts in P1, which means you can't
Realize a couple people have died and then use it to get through P2
Like you could if you were planning to lust say P3 and you'd be like I'll just hit less than let's get through P2
Nope, not allowed. You are sated, so if even one player is dead going into P2, I think it's close to a 0% chance of progression.
Yeah, it's gonna be rough. I mean consistency in P1's gonna be the key.
Obviously they're relearning a new strat, so there's gonna be some pickups to be expected.
But they would really like to start seeing more of phase two, because that seems to be the real
progression point right now without the bloodlust. They need to get as many polls on that as possible.
So we can start getting back into P3 and seeing more of the fight. Remember last week
We only really saw the first 30 seconds to a minute of P3,
and that was with a lot of people dead,
so it's not like they can actually do the fight that much.
We've seen that there's a retch spawn in P3 as well.
So they're going to have to find a way
to maximize boss damage with that alive, too.
We'll have to see how this fight's going to go.
Question in chat was, dodging the waves
was part of the old strat, too.
What's there to adjust?
Well, it's not just the waves.
They're leaving the retch alive
throughout the entire phase now, instead of instantly focusing it down,
which means that they have to deal with its mechanic,
which is that bubble that everybody has to stack inside of.
It is largely still the waves that are causing the problems.
I will I'm not going to not going to lie.
That's you know, not strategy.
That's execution.
But the wretch is a significant departure
from what we did most of our first 200 poles doing.
You have to just clean it down really quickly.
But then there's also the added eggs, which you can't bump into each other.
Yeah, that's a mythic mechanic.
that does complicate all those wave dodges.
Not a lot of room in there.
Yeah, especially inside that bubble.
Yeah.
What is the ability that lets Boop flap down?
It's literally called flap.
Yeah.
We're not joking.
It looks so cute.
I love it.
The little moonkits are such a goopy sack.
They're so goopy, yeah.
You know what another underrated car is?
What?
Remember like the 99 Mitsubishi Eclipse?
Mm-hmm.
That car was actually pretty cool in hindsight.
Remember that one?
It had like the really interesting taillights.
I think you were in the wrong...
I'm in the wrong caster block for this.
I'll wait till I count.
I'll wait till I'm on this with Kalamazid to cover this.
It's all good.
It's all good.
Okay, what is the car? I'll indulge you.
Let me Google?
Yeah, Google it, Google it, do better.
What is it called?
Mitsubishi Eclipse.
There's a lot of different models of it.
Mitsubishi Eclipse.
Yeah.
Is it a manual or automatic?
Oh yeah, this also kind of looks like a Honda Civic.
It looks like the kind of car my mom drove in school in.
Every car looks like a Honda Civic.
Yeah.
Is it a four wheel drive or the other one?
Did it get gas mileage?
Yeah.
How's it's safety ratings?
I don't know.
I'll have you guys know that I drive
a very economical car right now.
Don't you have a Mazda?
No.
What do you have?
No, I have a CRV.
Oh yeah.
Nice little crossover.
Oh my goodness.
If there's a car doll where you could
have to guess a little like car,
we would be absolutely toast.
There, I'm pretty sure there is.
Yeah, there's every kind of doll you could imagine.
Does I know any car that isn't a rich person car?
What a weird okay, well, yeah, you've got of course you're you know, you're cheaper Lamborghinis
Yeah
If you really want to slow it I guess we can go on the BMW. Oh, I don't know about that
Well, there's the non-stretch limos
Yeah
My first car was a 1997 Toyota Camry with a classic stick shift that my mom bought
from a dude on Craigslist. Yeah I know how to drive a manual so it's all you
people saying like girl car knowledge. I know how to drive a stick. I know how to
check my oil. I also like that manual. Yeah. And an old Ford Explorer from like the 90s.
Dude those were the best. I feel like old cars. My mom bought it used when I was
ten years old and then I owned it and then I drove it to 350,000 miles before I sold it.
I'm just having a manual transmission. That's a good old car. I'm planning on driving my car
into the ground. Yeah. That's what I do. I drive cars into the ground until
they don't drive no more. What about a car? Yeah. I can drive. Not a manual though. I never learned
that you can't I mean you can like it's hard to even find manual transmissions
anymore I feel like they're like not an automatic they're very often in the yes
now yeah it's you though it's it's still very common dude I would sell like where
I live maybe this is like this I don't know how really like your area specifically
is Reynolds they're like I prefer it for Hills manual transmission so much
like I even still drive my car because I like a semi-automatic I can switch it
semi-automatic. I even drive it like I'm still driving a manual. I downshift all the time.
I'm constantly flipping it back between automatic and semi-automatic and downshifting.
Yeah, I live in a very difficult area to drive. Not because of the terrain, but just because of
the people that live there. Texas cities are a different animal to drive. And they're,
I know there are worse places they have ever killed us there. Definitely worse places to live LA is one of them
Yeah, we are LA traffic is awful
Can I make a plea for for Denver to be out of that list? I think Denver is supposed I think it actually is up there
We have the highest rate of car insurance in the country. Oh my god. I'm pretty sure I pay
So much money for car insurance. It's disgusting
And then on top of that during COVID they stopped like caring if people had
insurance or if their cars were registered and it's just still like that. So the amount of cars,
it's a fun game that me and my partner play of like how expired is this person's tags.
It is so normal to see multiple years of expired tags on people's cars and they don't do anything.
But the good news is we have, you know, lots of fun cameras.
I feel under surveilled, you know, yeah, I'd like to know that, you know, several different
government and private companies know where I am at any given time.
It's just, it's not, it feels comfort, I feel, I'm in the warm embrace of, uh, like
a brother figure.
Exactly.
A large, a large brother figure, one might say.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Dallas traffic on the highways
You know that one I think it's a family guy bit where the driver goes. I'm turning now. Good luck everyone
Crossing four lanes that's what it's like living in Dallas
Yeah, I mean sometimes you gotta just yeah
It's like when you're carrying one of these eggs, right?
Sometimes you just run in a line and you're just like better get out of my way. I'm a moonkin and I'm
Do not have a license
I'm about to bounce.
That's right.
I'm about to bounce.
Oh my god.
That's good. Plus we've got the added issue of a lot of tourists coming during the winter
and getting a rental car and then driving up to the mountains in a snowstorm and not having any idea what they're doing.
They actually cause so many accidents, the tourists, because they're given like a rental car, with no knowledge of how to drive and snow, and it's a huge issue.
I think only recently they started requiring rental cars to have snow tires or a full driver or something like that in the winter.
I can see how that would be a problem.
It's so bad.
Not knowing how to drive in a nice condition, it's kind of a huge hazard.
It's so bad.
Yeah, we're I look if it rains kind of infrequently so even when it starts raining
People forget how to drive. I feel like that's like a common
Yeah, it's a world wide but like it is remarkable how
You know a little bit of a little bit of water on the road that the cars are designed for
Does get people to start to be weird
It's like how when you start taking damage in a wild fight and you start forgetting how you should move and everything
Yeah, you ever forget what class you're playing?
Yeah, I actually do.
Press the button at the point.
There should be charge at a death grip, if you like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's not what that one's supposed to do.
Someone just says, Blood Decay's self-healing is crazy.
Yeah, this fight in particular.
Oh my gosh, yeah.
The Blood Decays are able to sustain themselves really, really well.
I think both Liquid and Echo, you know,
You know started polls with their tank comps that were from you know, maybe the last boss, right?
I know at least echo they were pulling with the prop halogen for their first few pulls and just getting flattened
You play blood decay, and you know you can still die, but a lot more chill
You know what I wanted the car here's it here's a niche pick
getting flamed
Japanese mini truck. Oh, I
I want one of those so badly. They're so cool. What brand are those?
Yeah, there's different kinds, but I think those that's like the main one
Are you looking it up? Yeah, push here. Yeah, yeah intact go into the hallway
We've got our first mold Susie. That's let's see if we can get the damage done at this time
Again the part that we've been struggling the most with, that everybody's been struggling the most with, is getting through this phase without lust,
feeding that damage check, getting those eggs collected.
We have that timer, so a way that you can track this phase, if you look at those boss frames over on the right,
those four eggs, when they finish their casts, that is the timer when you need to pick them up by
So you want to get the warden killed and all the other eggs picked up and broken out by then
Or else we are gonna be in
Troubled here that warden nearly dead
They're beating that bolt. That's good. So we now got to pick up some of these eggs fired up
I'm gonna be picking up one of them. So that's the first half of
The the hallway here, so they're not trying to split it up anymore. So now now we need to go to the other side
Yeah fired up is gonna be so that they've spawned a few of these Rawlings
They're going to be cleaving these down, but what they need to do now is break these other eggs' shields.
And you can see they only have a little bit of time left until those Doomscale eggs need to be picked up.
Now, fired up is soon going to be, it's going to be time for him to go, and he's going to need to go on an adventure.
Actually, they're not even sending fired up anymore.
Now they are sending somebody else on the mini map I can see is going up there for that other egg.
Hopefully on one side is doing it.
But yeah, on the other side, I'm not sure who.
Hopefully they're grabbing that egg.
Drain stir, which is doing it, into Ghost Wolf to do it for Fired Upside, and that's
going to allow them to keep Fired Up doing damage for a little while longer, so that's
an optimization to have your healer do it instead of your TPS.
Now we have the Doom Scales all successfully spawned, no enraged Doom Scale, although there's
one running at hopeful, it's okay, all good though, couple of kicks to do, and we
get them under boss.
Alright, here comes the next rage, a lot of damage is going to be on the raid
here soon.
Super low KSP isn't so much danger right now. Needs to get another heal able to get stabilized though before the next damage takes
Each of these damage takes during this rage is just so scary as the boss shoots those laser beams into the ceiling
The doom scale is getting cleaved down under here though and the boss is starting to melt
We can finally see boss damage is a real possibility here. What is this? Is that 53%?
I don't think we're hard-focusing boss. I think we're trying to kill doom scales.
53 is pretty solid. That's not a bad percentage, Zyro. That's very good. That's the best we've seen.
I don't think it's kill range territory, but it's very high progression.
Alright. If you need to kill these eggs off,
if you want to progress in P3 at all though. We have our first slam there in the bottom right,
second in the top left, third is here on square, and then the tempo only increases
from here. We need to get these eggs broken out and collected before the end of this phase
as well, or we are gonna have a viper catastrophe. The final coil is there in the bottom
left to the screen hopeful one of the people who's gonna need to get an egg
into there I think that's it I think there are no more coils we've got to
collect the other eggs now and just hold on to them for as long as we can to
avoid spawning vipers. Driny is gonna on we have Shaq, Lip and Trill down fired
up as well so we're missing four DPS but we have 16 alive one two Viper debuffs
now and two active vipers which is gonna be a bit of a problem we're
gonna have those healing absorbers coming out one of those luckily on
Exile he might be able to cloak it. I'm actually able to shadow step. Oh beautiful
step from Exile at the last second there to avoid that heal absorb. The other one
Wow also dodged. Alright so these Vipers are actually not gonna be killing them.
Did Xenia just use his Void Elf racial dodge? I think he might have Velfed it, yeah. What a beast. That is wild.
I fear we don't have any players that soak Venoms and let them go for the better. Death Crystal and Egg is
waddling in but again gripped beautifully. Hopeful gonna be again
getting to the edge and we've got to soak all of these Venoms. Oh the
melee ones are stacked Zyro and that is not good. Well they have to do that to
actually suck them down but yeah now all those players are gonna die. Oh add on
alert we've got the triangle aimer. Hey massive progress ball.
Absolutely some massive progress. We're gonna check in with the raiders see what
they have to say about that incredible pull and we're gonna head to a
a monster energy listen in to get that reaction.
I have to line up.
It's a tiny small problem.
Yeah, that's fine.
Yeah, the other side is like way fucking faster.
They're like 10 seconds faster or something.
Let's go to school.
So just to give you an idea, let's watch them one at a time each side,
and then we'll go over the intermission.
But there is a, I think people were just kind of a little confused
because people weren't generally in their spots in the room.
um but we have okay so this side does a single gestate
the warden dies we pick up eggs
you guys might have done like a slightly different pickup it didn't really matter
i always take this one
wait which one am i
i'm on the middle one
so this side killed their ad with 40 seconds left in the phase and the other
side i think because of the extra molt is a little delayed
so when it's 40 seconds like any and seek is default
Um, see who's on your side?
Am I even supposed to be picking up an egg set?
No.
Nope.
Okay.
Uh, you guys, your doom scales at like 20%, is it possible, like, that we could try to
get just more boss uptime when it's being dragged back and forth?
On this side?
Maybe?
Is something to think about?
Like here, just like all the melee just follow the boss or something, instead of
hitting these adds.
Cause like these adds are gonna get broken out, right?
I think?
Like we still, even when the boss comes back, have 10 seconds to break them out, like there's not like a huge, uh...
Can you go to Yip's pulse?
I can just see how...
It looks.
Yeah, I think this is the issue. I think like, honestly, you just like fucking stay out of this range.
Like, because this is like slow dragging them back, but like you basically just...
Like someone gets the kick and he'll just run back to Yip's instantly.
Like we have 8 seconds still to break these?
Do you- do you- you don't think it's possible that like...
if you're a melee in this phase you basically are like hitting boss you go
over here and then you follow the boss to his mold and I can't really just be
out of this range of this guy permanently I'm gonna die to my dot yeah
maybe it can be a bit better like if you void off maybe yeah I don't know if you're losing it
I use it to get back you could put me on that side I could provoke him no
No, no, no, no, that's...
I don't think that's good.
But yeah, let's just keep doing what we were doing originally, just show the other side here.
So they kill their guy, 40 seconds left in the phase, they pick up their eggs, they go mid.
So what are the egg pickups supposed to be?
Um, I can pull it up on my other monitor.
It is supposed to be
Exile, Wall Life, Scott, Boomi
Oh, you are assigned here
Oh, but you can be, that's correct because you are, yes
You're getting this one fired up and it's because you're not doing the doom scale anymore
And then this one is flat, this last one
And Marcus here, he's already pretty there
This looked fine
I just want to make sure there wasn't any traffic jams
seems like people kind of are just generally moving
I think that's important that when we go through the hallway, so you do have this like left or right
like lane thing, like you know, like see how one person got one person
Villa, our side's kind of been insane with that
Have we ever even had a collision on the other side of the exit?
Villa, we've literally never...
Just wants to address this
So basically, am I correct in this side
As soon as this egg is broken and picked up by Scott,
which is now,
that both Doom scales on this side could be picked up if we wanted to.
Yeah, yeah, but I mean only one has to be picked up.
I don't know if that actually matters though, because like,
right, we still have to like DPS these eggs out, and we basically just need to only
really pick up the Doom scales by the time that we would need to have them in the middle and leave.
So this side works, we just have to problem solve the other side, because while this side
is like, on basically once you guys make it to the platform, the other side I think is
basically just dunking their doomskills.
Like the other team is at the boss right now.
I'm like AAK for 30 seconds in this phase doing the fire egg.
I mean I, let me see your side actually.
It feels really bad on my end.
Yeah, I feel like it just has to be a healer just like the other side, right?
If you watch my TV, I'm just going to go somewhere across the map.
Yeah, like, this is... I don't know, it seems fine.
How does the healing feel, Nick?
Oh, I feel like...
It's fine.
But like, can Zebi do...
Can Zebi come do this, so Nick has to do this?
So that's kind of the question.
I don't even need words on the site.
Well, if you watch my ad, I'm not dunking at the same time they are.
I'm like AFK while they still kill eggs. They're just sitting in the middle.
Uh...
They're not wearing son of a gun, they're being really mad if they were like already...
That's just because they're... That's just because they're like slower, right? That's all this.
Yeah. Like, I'm actually just sitting here waiting.
Yeah, this needs to be a dealer on your side for sure.
Uh, yep, for that first like, spin-neck set of bolts and everything,
it would help if I, like, followed the boss out.
For that first bolt and then I'd just like, talk before he goes,
I think the only thing your your side needs is you I don't think it even has
to do with how fast you know your side just needs boss damage in any way like
it just like the only thing holding you back is boss damn right because like on
your first set you're basically just waiting until the boss dies to do
anything right like you just say you just say you pulled on top of these
things this stuff is it's just saying again cool now it's broken all these
things are broken right like ideally the boss dies now I just do a
this is the first thing seven dogs me we have to do a I mean six looks okay on
the other side like this is or this is seven right yeah this is this is seven
pv part of the eight okay but but this just objectively looks different if
they have the dodgers during this right you guys have the dodgers here on
this set so and that's just RNG I think you guys might have to do the 8 what do
you think and then and then that just solves this problem right away definitely
feels bad for not having the boss in range for any time yeah okay so there's
like no possible way to ever more than differently right on your side like we're
not missing something with them all it's just how the room is it's just
guaranteed that he will always get those two eggs.
I don't know.
Who are the two people not assigned right now?
Me.
Me?
I mean, I feel like they just grabbed these two, right?
Then you and Debbie?
The thing is, you have to get the fuck out of the way, though.
You know?
Like, you have to go.
Yeah.
Rick you said that we should have a roar for that, so it's...
It would be okay.
And well you can actually add a hopeful to this because Nick is doing the thing right so you could actually add hope as well
So you just stay here
No, you follow the everyone heal everyone to the mid you can heal you can heal you can heal and then you just get
So then you go. I'll literally just show you full full dry APV
So this is Driny after we so he just killed a doom scale
He doesn't pick up an egg
He just heals and goes to the mid just healing people with the eggs
I feel the eggs people start dropping them
He even follows them into the next room healing healing healing healing healing healing
And 20 seconds left he just leaves
Holy shit, I got a prof sighted from the other game.
That's crazy bro.
That's so insane you can drop a chain heal and I just go 12-25% as a DR and run.
Go fire up!
I mean, yeah, in our game, our single is always going to be closer to the back 3 no
matter what, because our back 3 aren't on the edge, they're on the wall.
I think your side can do the 8, because the 7 for them looks just like getting
the giving the stuff on the ground is going to make it weird. That's why I think it's
important that you have people that are like able to clear the area. Like I think Zevi
and Sinni are already here, that's fine. But like THD Ports mid hopefuls blinking just
like clearing the space for these people to not just be stuck behind basically. And
then you basically Sinni and Zevi just like dunk once you see like Ips getting close
to the mid you guys and then you guys AWE as you go to the next side and then
you're just fucking viving.
All right
Boom was it hard for like you to heal solo equals that be be fine
It wasn't hurt. I don't think it was a different profile, but it'll be fine. Zevi's gonna fucking like drop
You just suffer Lee so I'm supposed to hit if he's this
Like there's no there's no eggs or anything like nobody's picking up eggs. It's just like this little rock
Yes, like probably well be good
I heard a marker in my brain, and that's very wet.
Yeah, so basically, FireDev's assignment, just the PEV that I saw, is FireDev just always
soaks diamond and triangle.
No, no, and we change back to the free group thing.
might but we haven't yet but this one this one works absolutely I mean it worked
that was the oracle the reason it doesn't pop up with both my mom's
but I swear I just heard a skull I swear I changed it for me so so yeah so like
fired up on this well you don't even need to wait to your assignment right
like you know you are trying to diamond every single time like where you're
supposed to go and then all this is doing is it's just showing you where
your soaks are relative to anything else. It's like right here, you guys shouldn't wait to see
I'm Soaking Star. You should just know that the five people who are soaking the star in orange
thing are like predetermined before this phase ever starts with everything.
I mean, my assumption is that, at least myself, myself, a lot of us forgot where we were and
it's pretty post-it. If you want to know why you got boomed from Diamond, it's because
I did not get the better of Ben and triangle the soaps he got
Like I said the two markers
Well, the good news is is well, you might be an aura. You have to turn on or something
I think that I'm going to chat and you have to do the checkbox to show everyone so good ones
Yeah, I swear I have to I do too. I I saw one died. I don't I don't see they live for me
Let me treat me to both though. I just heard skull. I didn't see anything
I see it, never mind, let's do it.
Do I have a picture of the, like, everyone's in the same?
I'm in the big text.
Oh yeah, Eileen, you're in the big text.
Your bond, the current assignments that should be in the nodes are these.
Well that doesn't help me.
Is everyone in the two spots?
Yeah.
In that picture?
Okay, so you're never so, yeah, yeah, so it's, sometimes you might be in the first
soak, but like the way you should look at the phase is not like I'm waiting to
hear my first soak it should be like I know I'm diamond triangle and like I'm
basically just like pre-positioning on this side of the room and like I know
that if any eggs are in this quadrant I should break them and then clear them
and I know that if there's a soak on diamond or triangle that is going to be
my soak right so like if he was positioned in a place where he was
already in between diamond and triangle right I just think if it's we
haven't been there enough for people to just know their spots right and he
was just sitting here when he saw that first soak on diamond he wouldn't
really even have to think you just like go to the thing right next to him so does
everyone know where their spot is okay I think I'm circling something I just
circle star if you're yeah I haven't you guys on the bottom in the right
They have to soak each other sometimes.
Yeah, correct. So Diamond and Triangle, you guys sometimes will have to like soak a one
from your quarter next to you, which is why we put all the very mobile people in Square
and Moon and Diamond and Triangle. But the tanks, by the way, should be, one of them
should be getting, I think the way we set it up, was...
The mox and gamut difference of this sploo.
which is correct though are the ones on my picture that I posted in the channel
correct for what's in game yes because that's what the okay so yeah yeah there
should be a tank basically a tank should be in either school room okay then and
then yep should be blue and X yeah yep is also responsible for ads on star and
orange and Rex God is responsible for I've never gotten a blue and X assignment
for myself it's always been circle first yeah you won't get assigned there yes you
will that means we have a thing getting a lot of circle always circle and star
and the end like Scott for being well Scott should be complete opposite side
of the room yeah you should also get assigned the blue and X even though he
can't like reduce the damage just so that he's there for that spawn rate
Yeah, the tanks are getting four assignments, right, technically?
I have a good assignment.
I get one assignment and it's always good to circle.
They can be just assigned to their own quadrant.
I think that's fine.
They just have to be across the room for each other and not adjacent.
I just want to make sure I don't bug fellow people because when I have it ticked and
I only have a C1 assignment, that's it.
I think instead of a picture like what Doribon has, within the better picture, just
be like the list of people that are at the different spots I think I did this
it wasn't on this region was on a different one no this is the one I posted about the night field
it's there what happened with the stack in my games did you guess like you kind of just
got stuck you couldn't move to me or should I have to you the doom skills I was very late to
it over like you were very active it's arrestable you want me to go because I if
I'm always quick then do you want me to be somewhere to help like I think we just
need to be under the boss right like like the hearts here I'm sure we just
have to be here just like the ropes I don't think it matters I don't think it
matters yeah right now we're sitting and killing the doom scales at this
very moment I think we just need to be out of the boss yeah you want to be
Central is good. We can do this. All right, and we are back from that monster energy listen in on the team liquid
Race to roll first from the Alienware training facility in sunny Santa Monica, California
I am joined by Dratnus and Zyronik where liquid have just had their new best getting the boss all the way down to
50% seeming like they are now starting to optimize for boss DPS
We need to see some p3 pulls today boys. We just almost got one. Well, we kind of did get one
They saw p3 maybe it wasn't a perfect push maybe had a couple of vipers, but that's neither here nor there
We got for p2. That's the important thing
That's the thing that's been plaguing echo in their initial pulls after they're recleared today
This phase 2 without bloodlust is just unbelievably hard to get through the nerfs that targeted the tether damage
I don't think that was necessarily a massive nerf
It'll help with the consistency of healing through the tethers
But that's not something that either of the guilds is really having issues with so it has maybe created the space for
to go do one of the egg runs instead of fired up which then generates damage by
Getting it on the news players get to stay on the eggs that you need to pop before you grab that final two scale eggs
So that might be a way that a sort of healing nerve actually becomes a damaged nerve
But yeah, it's I would say it's not the biggest nerve in terms of
The actual check of that which is of course the damage right the damage is the important thing not the healing
so still though not a bad not a bad pull for liquid 50% so almost halfway there
interestingly enough coming out of the second damage burn during heroic week
all those days ago obviously we're on day 16 now on day like I don't know three or
four whatever they were pushing out of that second damage where they were about
40 to 45% and so I feel like if that is yeah translate that into mythic in
45% was the like the number where it's like okay it's able to kill it
During this now on mythic you might be able to do it even of a little bit of a higher number
You know p3 although they don't actually have that much execute in this composition
I just have wall life and the rogues and
Roads are decent
Shadows gonna get there execute throughout the shadow will do well
But also p3 you probably are able to leverage a little bit less boss damage than you are in heroic because there is a
Wretch that will be needing some of your damage, but the slimes
Slimes are easier. Yeah, you do get to grip them to the boss instead of needing to
So the eggs in P3, they move but are grippable on Mythic.
And if they reach the center whirlpool, they do hatch.
I doubt that's offsetting the wretch damage.
But yeah, I think on net it's still going to be,
unless you can just absolutely not focus the wretch at all
and full cleave it down, which maybe you can.
OK.
Then I think that P3, you probably,
we probably need to see P3 starting at 45%
to be feeling like this is a kill.
But yeah, it worked.
Yeah, like 50% is, we're right there.
We are the damage the light at the end of the tunnel is
There where's the lust it's still a B1. It's still a two minute. It's gonna have to stay up you one
I think so. I think that is the kill lust. Yeah, it's
So I've seen some speculation on this right because it's like, oh, do you want to last twice?
Well, you probably can't I the the spell key is a little bit slower on mythic
But it still ends up meaning that the boss will probably die around 10 minutes ish exactly
So not really a good chance for a second lust
The best lust then is going to be on one of those burn phases and the best one for boss damage is actually
Lusting the P1 burn because you can lust a little bit early
And then you're hitting the tail and the boss for a little while with the part of your lust that isn't in one of the heart
Burns also a little like tiny optimization as well as lusting the P1 burn means you're probably going to potion there as
Well and lusting the P1 bird versus the P2 burn means you actually will have a second potion to use at the very end of
the fight in that burn. Yeah because if you lost the B2 burn you do not get it
for the for any other point right? It's your only pot that you'll get. How do you
felt about reprogression today? It's kind of interesting because you know there
has to be a lot that's like re-optimized whenever you're talking about the
wretch and the movement associated with you know getting inside of this bubble
everybody making sure that they make it in. Also having to deal with that
while carrying eggs has been particularly problematic. Should they
have optimized this wretch movement earlier like last week? No it was
it was something that they were still trying to figure out, feel out the fight, see more of the fight.
It makes sense to have done what they were doing.
They were still having a lot of issues in P1 just to edge carrying and getting hit by waves,
so I don't think they would have done themselves any favors doing this last week.
The fact of the matter is, like, they're doing a really good job optimizing it now,
and you're still going to have some wipes to P1, to those same things, to waves and egg move,
but not being perfect. Sometimes there are some overlaps that are just really nasty,
like, whenever you're getting prepped up to stack in the coils,
and then you get shot done by waves and people aren't prepared for it.
for it, that's gonna happen.
Look at this POV of THD right here,
getting ready to get into the coils here with the egg on them.
This is actually a really easy pattern to sign around.
That one, you're almost never gonna spawn a Viper on.
But sometimes they're closer.
And we do have Viper's from other players.
That's the thing, right?
All 20 players in your raid are presented
with a different configuration of waves
that they are needing to dodge, right?
Because there are different spots in the room.
And a lot of people have actually race changed
to Void Elf for exactly that.
Because, you know, while Mages can blink over the waves,
THD you saw him poured over the waves not everybody has that opportunity and so as it turns out having that get out of
Geo free card with the boydoll for ratio can be extremely valuable
It's a station with dwarf this week probably presumably just for as much damage as possible demos a very heavy spec I
Think that exile in KSP with oh, okay. Yeah
I don't know if I guess there's a rogue it would so be nice because you can't step safely to a lot of people. Oh
Totally walking by giving us some fist bumps
Yeah, who else could really go void elf profitably? I guess Shaq good, but he's already
Able to get through a lot of them
Well, I think he might have also gone void elf Trill could do but you also got transcend
Can't demon hunter just double jump dash over him? Maybe. Oh, yes. We've seen the the nice memes
Yeah, where he's a vengeful as well it double jump VR over
Yeah, the priests I think are the ones that are profiting the most from void elf
Oh, yeah, it's swapped. Oh, yeah
Paladin would too, but I don't think paladins can be void elves. It's been good
I feel like in the first two hours of the day to make new progress on the fight like
Insanely good progress
You can still see boomkins are still absolute gods in P1 because nobody everyone else trying to focus retch and boss damage, right?
Of course, we're just letting the moonkins do the damage and people can funnel if they want to but
So so a big a big notion yesterday is that like
Some stuff couldn't swap with the comp, it looks like they just loaded in with pretty
much the exact same comps they were probably on on the last reset.
I've heard whispers of a lot of discussions about potential comp swaps last night, there
was a lot of discussion about Ellie Shaman versus Rhett Pallie.
Yeah, same for Echo as well, Echo was like, we're gearing up the Rhett Pallie, we're
gonna play the Rhett Pallie, they played it for three pulls and then they're back
to their original comp from last week.
So I think there were a couple of thoughts about changing comps for both guilds, but
Everybody's kind of locked down. It's like no no no this will work
This is our this is our best bet what we've done these first 200 pulls on is how we're gonna
This actually want to check what method are up to though because I don't know if they've made any adjustments to their first few hundred
Poles comp it is interesting though that the guilds have come up with their with different solutions to the problem here and we'll
Obviously which one in the end up being the idea the difference between rep out and an ellie shaman in particular is ellie shaman is
It's a very heavy two minute burst spec
Which means they're gonna have good damage for every single heart phase ascendants
still clearly one of the best cooldowns in the game for doing burst damage, they do good AoE damage as well,
so they're going to be very useful in the intermissions in particular, is what I'm thinking of.
You can't quake that many of the eds in P1 or in that ed burn during the coil slams in the P2 to P3 intermission,
but their overall should be pretty solid. I think Rhett should edge out on boss damage,
especially if they're able to leverage that single target funnel that they get through their execution systems.
What do we know about Echo? Oh, Drannos, what are we looking at?
I was looking at Method's Conflict as they, I know that Ekko basically played three bowls with a ret-palay and then took it back out
Method did swap from Rastoshaman to Holy Paladin, Eli Shaman, so
that moving from basically the liquid configuration to the Ekko configuration. I mean intuitively I feel like the
Ekko config like the the elemental shaman like intuitively seems like it's like a pretty good balance of not only
AoE for some of the hard parts, the phase 2 X-Riggs, even on pull you can ascendants,
and then it has still extremely good ascendants while it did get nerfed coming into this patch
in terms of its power.
It still should have extremely large burst and extremely spiky nature just by how elemental
shocker works.
Yeah.
I believe Ekko's also running two hunters, right?
Yeah.
Ekko, so Ekko for three pulls, they sat the second hunter for the rep-pally, and
And then they were like, nope, we're bringing back in the Hunter.
Who's your second Hunter for in our comp?
Because they presumably have a Holy Paladin already, right?
Yeah, they already have the Holy Paladin.
So we have an extra Rogue, I think, compared to them.
So two Rogues instead of two Hunters.
I think that those are probably those pretty close.
Yeah, Rogue is extremely good.
So, yeah, the differences between the three guilds in summary are, same tanks, everybody's
on double 1 decay.
Yeah.
Everybody's on two Preservokers, everybody's on a Holy Priest.
We are on the Restor Shaman and both of the European guilds are on the Holy Paladin.
Everybody's on one Warrior.
Us and Method are on two Roads, whereas Echo are only playing one.
Echo are playing the Windwalker, and everybody's playing the Windwalker, actually.
Everybody's playing the Havoc DH.
We are the only ones on the Rhett Pally, because of course they're playing the Holy
Pally and we aren't.
Everybody's on two Mages, everybody's on two Boonkins.
and methods are on one Beast Mastery Hunter whereas Echo are on two Marksmanship Hunters.
Everybody's on one Shadow Friest, the other guilds are on the Alley Shaman's because they
don't have a Restor Shaman, and then everybody is on one Demo Lock now and one Og of Oka.
I do think that Hunter Atlas is a big one in the Hunter, and do you think that is
insanely high boss?
So, unbelievably good on the heart.
The M.M. is great for the heart and also the second Hunter does get to mark
Hoola tech instead of the venomous heart during the burn phase, which is nice as well, right?
That's a pretty sizable hunter's mark
Pretty big deal to have access to even on two targets, right?
It's a little diluted compared to how good it is on you know
That first one just mark is way better than the second
But the second is still very much earning its key when it comes to a raid buff here when you think about it
the second hunter's mark
It's extremely valuable in p1 because you can always mark. Yep
You can have the tail plus the tail off or the wretch. Yep
Obviously it's good for the heart phase in particular, but with one hunter you could just swap the mark to the heart.
Right, but the second hunter gets to put it on Ullatech itself, so which is still valuable.
But it's only for 20 seconds that you're missing out on it.
Yeah.
But that is during your highest first damage, so there's a little bit of a, a little bit of an, I can see the vision behind it.
I think it's also just the best heart damage. Maybe it's the only losing out to an arcane age on the heart damage.
Yeah, especially if you have enough power infusions to apply one to each hunter, which they do, they have of course the Shadow Priest.
And the Holy Priest, there are two power infusions in for everybody.
So who do you think is sitting in the power infusions here? Do you think it's just a hunter plus a mage? One of the mages?
Well, we have a Beastmaster hunter.
Oh, so it's probably not a hunter.
So it's probably not the hunter, yeah.
Might just be double mage?
It might be.
Are you talking about a mage or are you talking about a mage?
On the heart.
On the heart.
On the heart specific.
Yeah.
They probably have someone else on the mage.
It's probably a mage on the mage.
Then mage on the heart.
the mage on second mark then your six minute PI can be any really good class
can be like start of p3 so honestly it can go on mage again yeah that could be
a nice lineup for a wind walker PI
I got extremely nerfed I mean last that's for you yeah it's on last
batch it's good it's patching out as much but yeah yeah I think you want it on the
beam hunter nor do you want it on the rogue so yeah I think maybe just throw
on the majors again yeah they're gonna be sitting on that surge anyways it's not
like you can get a 130 surge at any point
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