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Good morning, good morning, good morning, my friends.
Hopefully we sound and look alright when people start tuning in.
See what's going on here with the audio, the mic, the levels, the lighting.
This and that, we're at a brand new stream station today and we just got to the BlizzCon.
See what's going on in my camera.
The camera could probably be removed this way, at least.
Possible to hold!
Escargo, good morning.
Deans, good morning.
Low cock, good morning.
Ilno, good morning.
800, good morning.
We're live, it's a live stream, bro.
This lighting is crazy.
It might be a little too bright.
Might need to turn this down just a little bit.
Might be a little too dark now.
What's going on, guys?
What's up, what's up?
You're still there?
Yeah, I'll be here today,
and I'm actually flying home tomorrow.
Guys, yesterday was absolutely nuts.
Are you kidding me?
Holy crap.
Is that a green screen?
No, it's just like the actual wow AWC stage.
How was the meet and greet?
It was amazing.
It's amazing.
I met so many of you guys.
It was awesome.
Thoughts on Tyler's tanking?
He's awful.
He's absolutely awful.
Guys, real quick.
Microphone.
Too quiet, too loud, all right.
How much of the background are you hearing?
Are we trolling here?
Are we locked in and dialed?
It's good. We're all good. All right. Sick. Can't complain then. Can't complain at all.
See that? Trying to get that mic light right there.
Okay. See that too.
There is a panel starting in 40 minutes talking about Classic Plus forever.
Is that... Is that happening? I think it is. Blizzard Stage. Panel.
And that goes live, let me know.
We're gonna switch to that.
Today's schedule is gonna be crazy, guys.
The schedule is gonna be nuts.
Oh, actually, I need to open YouTube chat.
Yo!
Do you wanna join the shared thing
where you can roll a little bit, go to Swannow?
We're not doing shared chat though.
Oh, shared stream?
Yeah, I'm not doing it.
Sure, fine, yeah, knock me up.
Yo, Gag mood, thanks for the T1.
Oh, yeah, that was peekaboo. Yeah, so okay, so like I was saying the
What's going on? Yeah, the whole the whole schedule today is gonna be all over the place. So I'm gonna be here for
Two hours and then max is kicking me off this computer and max is gonna be streaming from here
So I'm gonna move to a couch with peekaboo. We're gonna be casting
Or watching or something up on the couch
then after the couch we're gonna come back here to this computer and then I'm
gonna watch the AWC finals from the couch so I'm gonna go PC couch PC couch
does that make sense I know I got it I got an ad on YouTube what the heck
Chats pop out chats. Yes
Yay, okay everything looks good everything looks good all over the place
perfect
Perfect perfect perfect
Yeah, I'll probably work.
Yeah, what's going on?
Are we going ally or horde?
I'm probably going ally.
Class plus hype?
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir, yes, sir.
I'm trying to mid-max and dial on my settings, guys.
Got to make the chat a little bigger.
Dial this in, dial that in.
You know how it goes.
Can you show priest ratios?
Yeah, we're going to be messing around for the next 40 minutes.
Then we're going to try to kind of panel after that.
Panel should be lit.
And then we're going to watch the AWC finals later today.
So it's going to be Panels, Wow Forever, AWC.
And we're going to be all over the place.
Yes.
What was your impression of the new Dungeons?
Amazing.
The new Dungeons look fantastic.
They look hard.
They kind of are hard.
We are tying.
The new Dungeons pair very, very good.
Just came back from a serve.
That's what's up, man.
There we go.
Good to see you.
What's up, man?
Watching the deep dive on Forever.
Yeah, deep dive starts in 35 minutes.
I'll be checking that out.
I'm on you back on Waferever.
Yes, all those are.
Good morning.
Good morning, good morning.
Good morning, good morning, good morning.
No mention of TBC or Rath sucks.
Yeah, we haven't heard anything there yet.
I'm still itching to understand what's actually happening.
Am I going to play the beta?
Yes.
Winston, you've got to pay that 40 minutes.
You look so red.
Yeah, it's like a completely dark in here
side of the light on my face. I can turn this up like that. But then it's like very blinding,
so I think I'm just gonna, oh, turn it off by accident. Ah, crap. Guys, my whole light's
off now. Oh, there we go. Keep it like that. Actually, yeah, I'm gonna turn it down so
I don't blind myself.
Good day.
Went up, Kellen?
Went up, went up.
Yeah, no, I can hop in.
Starting experience or Dungeon.
I don't know if there's anyone doing Dungeons this early,
so I might just hop on a, dude, I
might hop on a Warrior, low key, go low death.
And then later we'll hop into some Dungeons, panels,
everything. Can you go over how PvP and PvE servers work? I think there will be a panel
on that, so we're going to learn soon. I think, have they talked about the server situation
Yeah, I don't know.
Out of curiosity, I think that will be talked about.
They did.
Yes, they already did.
That will be talked about soon at the panel.
So we'll talk about it more soon.
OK.
Sick.
Peek who's looking at me?
Peek who needs you?
What's going on?
Okay, okay, so we're just going to, we're going to try to
lock in and dial. I need to like make my monitor a bit taller or something.
The last person you sat here maybe wasn't as tall as me. I think it's what's going on there.
Edit mode, Classic.
Time left 24 minutes. Okay, so I need to get this time extension.
I don't have a target. What are you up to now? We're checking out Classic Plus.
We're going to check out the deep dive panel in 30 minutes, and then we're going to check out some AWC stuff,
play with Peekaboo and all that kind of stuff.
Control alt T.
Wait, how do you know?
How do you know in the chat the command to turn off the timer?
That worked.
Holy crap.
Are you kidding me?
Let's go.
Nice.
We heard through Soda.
The Soda's leaking the timer command.
Unbelievable.
Um, alright.
Can you use classic frames?
No.
Like guys, I am so hyped over this entire thing
My big problem
With classic plus right now my big my big gripe is I want classic unit frames and
Classic nameplays and classic cast bars. I don't mind the action bars, but I want this to look like classic
I want this to look like classic. That's my that's my big one. You can switch. No add on add-ons will be fine
I will use an add-on if they don't make it, but I would like it to look like classic.
I would love it to look like classic.
The griffins are lit. Yeah, I don't mind any of this.
Like, you know, how do you guys feel about the action bars and, like, the map?
I think the map looks good. I think the action bars look good.
For me, it's like, Uniframes and, like, Nameplates and the Castbars.
That's fine. I just, like, I can't stand these.
Dude, if there's no updated, like, Uniframe's definitely gonna need to get an add-on, which is fine, I can get an add-on, I can do that, but I would rather have a baseline.
I don't know if you guys agree with me here, but definitely, yeah, looks great, only Uniframe should look more classic-like, yeah.
There's an option for that man? No, there's not.
I do. It's actually funny. I was reading the chat yesterday and a lot of you guys were trying to tell me
like certain stuff that you could do in the game. And I'm like, no, no you can't.
Sores, I'm sitting here and you can't do it. And like people at home are like, bro do this.
And I'm like, nope, that doesn't work guys, trust me, I'm here doing it.
Or maybe you guys are right, I need to trust you more because that guy knew the command a second ago.
But I'm pretty sure that it's not the case. So anyway.
bro where these lights are like you're kind of sick in the background they're they're
like illuminating illuminating everything here okay come with that
there's no dual spec I think there is dual spec that was so loud oh my gosh
Okay, sick.
Dude, I don't know who was on this computer last,
but we gotta fix all the settings, guys,
like the mouse sensitivity.
Whoa, okay, that's a little too slow.
A little too fast.
A little too fast.
A little too fast.
Dude.
It's like, still too fast.
What the heck?
It was peekaboo?
Yeah, I don't know how he games like this at all.
They have a category on Twitch now for WoW Forever, really?
I don't know why.
That's interesting.
I wonder if anyone's going to use that.
Yeah, so characters have a first name and a last name.
I think we will learn more about that.
Wait, have they talked about the first name, last name thing, out of curiosity?
I'm just wondering, yes, no, not yet, no.
Okay, yeah, so we'll see when they tell us
what it's all about.
Sick.
Dude, I can't make macros.
What?
There's no macros on there.
Okay, so we're just gonna, we're gonna manual them.
Nice. And so it is still there. I think he flew home. He has some GTA RP to get to. That's what he told me at least.
So either that or he was trying to dodge me. Because I was asking him what he was doing for dinner and he said I'm flying out of here.
So, yeah, it's either that or he's completely dodged.
Okay, the name plates need to be classified, are we watching the deep dive?
D5s in 28 minutes.
How much does Eureka cost?
I think it's free, unless I'm mistaken, which I might be.
I thought it was no cost.
It costed GCD.
OK, yeah, that sounds about right.
Aeron, thanks for the problem.
AOE loot, there's no AOE loot that I can see.
Do you think they changed too much from classic?
In terms of the gameplay, no.
The gameplay feels very classic.
The dungeons are hard, the leveling is slow,
like it's classic well.
But I do think they changed too much with the look.
I would personally like classic unit frames,
classic name plates, more like,
even like this I think could look more classic.
Like all the small stuff I think could like look,
like look visually more classic.
but if the gameplay itself feels very classic.
Energy ticks, yeah.
Like, I definitely do think there's a lot at work.
Why, who cares what the UI looks like?
Are you kidding me?
I care what the UI looks like.
Guys, once in the chat, if you care what the UI looks like,
and two's in the chat, if you don't care at all.
Like, yeah, see?
I mean, maybe I biased you guys, but I definitely care.
I mean, I can download it out on.
You know, worst case scenario, I download it out on,
is fine but like baseline I think it should look more like classic
yo it's equal to you guys there it is there it is um maybe we can actually
get some more levels in see what's happening perhaps thanks guys you're
staying in I'm playing a warrior for you man right here
is leveling faster I don't think so
Preach had a classic UI?
I don't think so.
Yeah, what's good, TJ? How's it going?
Guys, the events for everyone here.
Oh my gosh, the event has been going.
Wait, is there share tags?
No, I just saw that guy's tag. Sorry for stealing your tag. That was my fault
Okay
Um guys the event has been so so sick your health bar is barely moving
Yeah, so is it like this in all the starting zones because I feel like
every time I'm doing this starting zone my health is
Not as low as it normally would be. Yes, no danger.
Or is this normal? Like I actually need to like go and compare how hard I'm getting hit.
Because I do feel like normally I'd be like half HP right now on classic.
It's the same I tested. It's the same, it's the same, it's the same. Not normal, not normal.
Okay, so maybe someone at home could like go test right now.
Now if you're a level 2 warrior on classic era and you're hitting a level 1 mob
What do they hit you for because I'm gonna hit for 1 and I have 66 life or 69 life nice at level 2
Level 1 mobs hit you for I do have a shield I do have a shield to be fair
That's true. That is actually real and true. I do have a shield on
try without a shield yeah I can take this off
Okay, guys, it's totally normal with a shield.
Like I said, I'm going to do some more testing.
I do think you guys are on to something though.
Like I feel maybe a little tanky, but I can't tell if it's just because I'm such a good
gamer or if it's something's up.
You're level two.
Yeah, I'm level two, but like I'm kind of owning mobs.
The four years are just built different, I mean, yeah.
Anyway, the sentiment being I really want the difficulty,
or not like difficulty, but you know,
like the scary nature of the world to exist,
especially if we have hardcore, right?
It's literally the exact same, all right.
So I actually haven't seen any news on that since I was doing other stuff when they announced
that.
So can someone give me the TLDR on the Skyborne starting area?
You have to buy something.
How much is it?
What is it?
If you don't buy it, what do you miss?
I need all that info.
So it's 30 dollars.
Wait, hold on.
Before we get into that, is there a box price for the game itself?
Is the game free?
How much is the game?
I actually don't know any of that.
Oh, so that game is free, but there's a box price to unlock the new race.
Wait, hold on.
So we're happy with that, right?
We all thought it was going to be like 60 bucks.
It's $30 to play the new race.
We all thought it was going to be like 60 bucks.
Okay.
I think if you're complaining about that, that's crazy.
There's a box price and you had to pay for the race. That's awful, but it's free. It's actually free
Okay, that's actually amazing then that that actually owns that like I don't I can't I can't complain
It's $60 if you want to play beta. Yeah, that's pretty standard for yeah early access stuff
I I think that's I think that's not a big deal. I
honestly thought it was gonna be like a
A $59.99 kind of a thing, or a second sub, or I don't know, Dave on Dev thought it would
be a second sub, I guess.
I never really thought it would be a second sub.
So it's free with a sub.
If you want the new raise, it's $30.
Okay, I feel like we can't be too mad about that.
Slothi, thanks for the front.
Is Questy built in?
It looks like Questy is built in.
Okay, we're fine.
Um, Questy looks like it is built-in.
Um, but I think there is an option to turn it off.
Maybe.
Maybe.
Maybe.
I thought there might be.
Maybe I'm wrong.
I think there is a way to turn it off, but maybe I'm not finding it.
When I opened the game yesterday, it said,
You want quest health yes or no.
How does leveling feel, fast or slow, feels about the same.
Do the anchor or pylon?
The same as what? Classic. Yeah, slow.
How does the glide ratio work? It's on cooldown. I'll show you when it's back up in 90 seconds.
Is there AOE loot? No.
I'm happy with no AOE loot though. I don't want too much modern stuff.
Goldy, thanks for the sub.
Best Pulitzer announcement ever?
Yeah, guys, I was on social media last night, big mistake, but I was trying to figure out...
Dude, where is this quest?
I was trying to figure out what people were saying and thinking, and I was getting a large variety of things here.
Speak with Holland Hawkeye and borrow his gift. Oh, gotta talk to the Hawkeye, dude.
Read the quest? Yeah, my bad, I was reading chat. Big mistake, like I said.
Okay, here we go. View the anchor pylon. Easy.
Seba, thanks for the 2-1. Yelp, level 3. That's actually a massive prog.
I was talking to Fritz and he said he hit level 4 in half an hour and that he was speed-leveling
really fast. Like, ahh. So he said it was crazy slow. I'm just like, I don't know, you
It might just be a little slow, I couldn't tell, really.
30 minutes to level four seems a little slow for it.
I don't know what's going on.
I personally like the Skyborne.
I think they're cool.
I'm biased, though, because I like elves.
My preferred race, going into it, is like a high elf, right?
I just think elves are cool, but I guess the other option is like ogre. I wonder if I can take on this level 4
Yeah, it could have been an ogre or just like an actual high elf, right like an actual high elf
I think it's my my preference, but
Yeah
Can anyone in the chat tell me about the lore of Skyborne?
Like, do we have any crazy lore experts here?
No, no, no, like, someone knows.
Okay, we have the deep dive in 15 minutes.
They are high elves.
My elves have made it back, oh.
I'm googling, wait, wait, wait.
I think this computer actually has...
Oh crap, I actually don't know how to exit this.
Yeah, when it's time to like, do other stuff, I don't know how to exit game.
I might, someone Google this for me, I actually can't, I can't exit this game unless I completely, completely exit.
I can't like alt tab, if you've locked out.
Control alt L?
I don't want to log out though, I'm level three, man.
I'm in max and in dialing.
Not trying to log out right now.
Open a GM ticket.
Dude, this is like the one place where I can just like,
raise my hand and a GM will come walking by helping me.
It's crazy.
Have you noticed how fast you lose you loot quest items?
I actually haven't noticed that.
Do I have personal resource display?
There's an option for it.
don't use it. I really hope they had the Classic UI. That is my big hope. That would be sick.
If we have an option to literally just take Classic UI, I am so happy. Like, that is like my
biggest issue. The gameplay feels good, the dungeons feel good. I like the new race. I like elves.
Like, everything feels good except like for me, I like the Classic UI. I want the Classic look.
So I'm gonna have to go crazy with the classic UI add-ons, if anything, but yeah.
Oh, yeah, let me use this walk on air again to show you guys what it's about.
Okay, so glide downwards through the air for 10 seconds while controlling the direction of travel.
So if I go like this and jump and then use it, it's like this. It's like pretty quick.
Like in world PvP, I think that'll be pretty correct.
The light looks nice. Yeah, I mean, the game looks beautiful, man.
Can we get a counter on how many times are you says I love elves?
Uh, I think I've said it like, at least once, if you want to start from there.
Tempt to draw power from Convergence of Elements and receive its blessing,
increases movement speed and mounts movement speed by 10, lasts 30 seconds.
If no elemental Convergence is nearby, add 15 minutes if one is found. What?
Oh, so this is different than the mage one.
Wait, it's a cast and it gives you 10% movement speed.
Oh, I wonder how that'll be.
Okay, so I'm kind of getting smoked now.
Now I'm like half HP.
You know, maybe it is that way against level 1 mobs,
because these guys are slapping me heavily.
The level 1 mobs ain't no thing.
Can we get game sound?
You guys should be able to hear the game sound.
down with you not. Oh.
Oh yeah, you guys really don't.
Let me grab something for that.
Dude, these OBS setups are like, the tech is ridiculous in them, man.
absolutely ridiculous
Kyle Kyle I need your help Kyle
I'm gonna send a quick message
Yeah, to Kyle probably is not watching the stream right now, but Kyle has been a legend yo
in-game sound not working
Okay, hopefully he'll be here soon.
Kyle's been very locked in the whole time.
Sean has been very locked in.
Alex has been very locked in, and Kyle has been very locked in.
Those are the three guys that have been completely locked in from the start of this entire event,
man.
Yo, by the way, Holly yesterday, bro.
Holly was locked in.
Are you kidding me?
Opening ceremony the Tret Holly was very dialed very locked in
Yeah, Holly's outfit like that was crazy
Marmal thanks to the front
Yeah, so these level three mobs already hitting way harder
She was so excited. Yeah, Holly, Holly cooked.
Are you helping to keep that video?
The audio mixer isn't getting the in-game sound.
In-game sound. Yeah, I sent a message to Kyle, but I think he might be doing something else right now.
I hear it through my headset, but now I can hear myself, so that's, there we go, nice,
thank you.
Let's check my mob.
I have someone next to me working on it.
Guys try to get the audio for you.
The, it's actually kind of, kind of crazy.
So there's like two PC stream setups.
I've never worked with this.
So they have to like...
Can I have a look at the game for a second?
Uh, yeah.
Yeah, Alt Tab doesn't work.
None of that works.
I don't want to play the game,
but I don't want to do it.
Yeah, I don't know if I, maybe just keep it like this for now then. Definitely don't want to close the game.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, if you take something and you don't have to see it, and I'll come back to you.
Thank you.
Alright, anyway, he's gonna try to figure it out.
Yeah, I didn't realize there was no audio. Sorry about that, guys.
Saved wait, was there was there something going wrong that whole time?
Game volume is way too low. Yeah, it doesn't exist right deep type reacts are in 10 minutes, right?
We have IRL GM sitting all around us. Yeah
There's audio is just really quieted. Oh really?
Like can you guys hear? Oh
Oh, you guys can't hear it.
Wait, you guys, yeah, you guys can't hear it.
You totally can.
It's just very low.
It's just very low.
I see it.
I see it.
Okay.
I found a solution.
It's hard.
It was just really low.
I actually just turned it off.
I actually just turned it up and
Okay, sick, thank you
All right guys how troll is this yeah, I might be just too low
The audio
fix it I would have to go into windows which is not possible actually but I just wonder is your game
actually just crazy over here yeah the game is low but if I if I blast until 100% then they can
hear it a little more but it's still quiet oh really I can you change the graphics to uh
mode that window at the bottom can you change it I don't think you can they lock out like
everything yeah so I maybe we just get the pan because it's starting in seven
minutes let's get the panel locked in so that the audio there is good we can
always boost it like that let me yeah let me just exit out of this and open
the panel that's starting. How do I exit here?
It should be better now.
Yup, it's fixed.
It's fixed now.
Everyone in the shot saying fixed.
Yeah, is that good?
Cool.
Put the volume up.
Yeah, I've been walking in here.
Okay.
Sick.
Sick. Alright, so if I need to go up or down, how do I get that to quite flick on the wall?
Sick. Thank you.
Yep.
Sounds good. Thank you very much.
Alright guys, so I can tweak the audio now. We need to. Let me know.
But I think since this is in five minutes, let's just hang out here and then send it.
We have a lot on YouTube? Oh my god.
Uh, do I have any YouTube mods? Taylor, Nikki, I don't know if anyone's watching.
I'm actually not watching the YouTube right now.
Oh, Taylor's here. Thank you, Taylor. Yeah, just ban him up on YouTube.
I think I'm moving to the couch it'll be deep dive couch and then more wow forever
for and then more couch or something I'm gonna be back and forth all day that's
basically what's going on
how do you guys feel oh whoa I'm getting I'm getting ads here dude I need to
log in a twitch so I don't get ads on set guys what the heck is that about
Oh my gosh, yeah, I totally need to log in to Twitch in the next three minutes, I'm sorry.
I don't want ads, I have Twitch Turbo.
Okay, I'm going to put it to the B-Rite back screen for about two minutes while I log in,
because I don't want ads mid-thing while we're watching.
I'm gonna put it through the air vent one second.
I
Saved saved saved saved. Oh my gosh saved. Oh great. Thank you
You know nooblet, thanks for something
Did they talk about World Bucks yesterday?
Did they guys?
I don't think so, but maybe we'll learn more in the deep dive.
No, I guess we don't know about them yet.
Hopefully today we learn more about World Bucks.
Yeah, thank you, Nikki, for banning them.
YouTube chat is cleaned up
Liars are his back guys I
Can say that we
Visited the campus and checked out the game
So there we go
Did I meet everyone you wanted to meet yet? No, I have had zero time to meet anyone at all zero free time
We did 12 hours yesterday 12 hours today, so I actually haven't seen any I
I have like a massive list of people want to see try to see tonight
You know preferably mode thanks for the crime I thought she bae no
I actually have seen a lot of people but like I've seen some streamers
But I haven't seen like like some people I like Taylor Taylor might be in the chair right now
I haven't seen Taylor
Armelite thanks for the crime bro
There's a hardcore panel later today. I'm going to check that out. We're watching this panel right now. I'm good. Thank you.
Stop crying about the UI. I'm not crying about it. I'm giving my opinion that I think it should be a classic UI.
UI but no not crying about it but I will give my opinion where's the selfie
achieve a I actually never took a photo with them I just talked to him for a
while yeah no matter what absolute worst-case scenario we downloaded that
That's it, right? We downloaded that on and the UI is fixed, right? So it is what it is. But I think the UI should have a toggle. Absolutely.
Are you happy with the class changes overall? I mouse over all of the classes yesterday. I think overall, they look good. There's some that I like better than others.
Like Frostmage was good and Arcane Mage was good, but I thought fire needed some more cooking
But maybe it's just because I didn't have enough gear
Deep dive. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh, it's happening
How's that how's the audio guys low high good. Oh, hey Clay. Good morning deep dive. What?
Hello, BlizzCon!
How's everybody doing? Good weekend so far?
Very good. Very good, Clay. I feel nice.
My name is Playstone. If you didn't meet yesterday, I'm the Associate Production Director of the Wild Classic and Wild Forever team.
Welcome to the Wild Forever deep dive panel.
Let's go! Let's learn more.
I would just like to call out this is our first of four Wow forever panels today
if you're looking to hear more about Wow forever lore things like our sky
Bornells and how they fit into classic vanilla lore yes to make it to the deep
dive panel on this very stage this afternoon this afternoon okay we'll
try to watch that too we've had the chance to very lightly introduce you to
just some of WoW Forever. It's new zones, dungeons, a couple systems, and the pillars
by which we are building this game. And for those of you here at LISKON, I hope you've
had the chance to try the demo on the show floor and experience the start of the leveling
journey of the game's new race, the Skyborne. Or taken on our all-new to classic WoW Dungeons,
drowned city with a few friends. And that's a fine introduction to WoW Forever. But if you are here
at this particular panel or watching from home, we know that you don't just want the highlights,
you want to go deep into more of the additions, changes, and updates, and perhaps the philosophical
reasons why of WoWForever's massive scope. Today, we'll take a look at new features,
things like our new camping system, additions to trade skills, our big improvements to how
our realm infrastructure will work, as well as combat items, classes, talents, and more.
Now, to get us started, please help me welcome to the stage someone who needs very little
introduction to this crowd.
Our senior designer and narrative point of WoW Forever, Josh Greenfield, or as you know
him,
Let's go!
Let's go!
Give it to us, Josh.
Give it to us.
What's happening?
Welcome in, a friend.
Our savior here.
Let's go.
Hello, BlizzCon.
Did you guys have a great day one?
Hell yeah, I know I did.
All right, I don't know about you guys, but I'm super excited to get to talk to you about some of the fine details on
How some of the systems and wow forever are going to work. So let's jump right into it
Picture this your adventuring in the wilderness and run into another player and you're on your faction
This is an encounter. You should be happy to have
Sure, sometimes that other player may beat you to an herb note or a mining note or maybe
attack the same mob you're about to attack, but a core foundation of WoW Forever is serendipitous
interactions. Serendipitous interactions are the foundations of making friends in online
games. So how do we make meeting strangers serendipitous? And WoW Forever, we've reimagined
the simple cooking fire to support these types of interactions.
Okay, interesting, I'm listening.
What's going on?
Your cooking fire has now become the basic campfire.
Placing a campfire creates a campsite.
That allows you and other players to rest
and gain benefits such as vendors, repairs,
trade skill workspaces, and most importantly,
buffs that last one hour.
Sometimes it's important to just slow down a bit
and just take it easy.
So in order to gain your buffs,
You'll need to slash sit by the campfire for a few moments
until you're ready for adventure.
A basic campfire allows up to three special crafted objects
to be placed at the camp by players.
Each player can place one object,
and each trade skill has different objects
they can place for a unique buff or utility learned
at different skill levels.
For example, blacksmiths can place a sharpening wheel
that increases strength,
tailors can place a faction banner that increases spirit,
and herbalists can place an incense candle
that increases intellect.
All of these are very-
I feel like this is something
I need to test out myself.
An exclusive width,
like play with it.
buffs provided normally by classes,
such as a paladin's blessing of might
or a mage's arcane intellect.
The first objects are learned at only 20 skill points.
More advanced objects can be learned
via blueprint recipes.
you'll need to find in your adventures.
All of these objects add more depth and purpose
to trade skills and wow forever.
Overall, we've been having a ton of fun
with camping as we've been testing it internally
and we can't wait to arrive in Elwin Forest or Duratar
and see people sitting around the fire
getting ready for battle.
So on the topic of trade skills.
I can't tell if I like that or not.
It was when given a massive amount of love.
It might be trolled, we'll see.
even outside of what I just described with the camping
edition.
There are over 600 new recipes across all professions
and level ranges.
Nice.
That's huge.
Huge.
Thank you.
We needed that.
Yes.
In addition, many existing recipes
have been overhauled in some way.
Even at low levels, you will feel the impact
of your profession choice in a meaningful way.
and you'll be excited to continue to level your professions
as you go.
As a compliment to camping,
cooking and food have also received a substantial overhaul.
Almost all crafted food will give some form of a stat boost
as well as a small XP buff.
This means you'll always want to go into battle
well-prepared and well-fed.
Philosophically, we want trade skills to become
important part of your progression and wow forever and we are planning to
continually add new recipes materials and crafted items to the game as the
game continues to evolve. So I might need a level cooking boys. I might need to level cooking.
Not controversial at all. Transpond is an early tool for those who want to show off their
accomplishments or express their character in a particular way.
However, we recognize that this system is not for everyone.
Many players appreciate seeing their gear progression and others reflected in how they
actually appear, so we've done a lot of work to allow you to engage with the system as little
or as much as you'd like.
Thus, we are allowing you to choose to opt out of the system in a few different ways.
The first is simply speaking to an NPC and disabling transmog.
Easy enough.
It should be off by default, I think.
When you log into the game for the first time,
you'll be met with a mode.
Oh, nice.
That's good.
You can just turn it off right away.
Yeah.
That has a preset of a handful of settings, any of which
you can reconfigure later.
But if you select the classic mode,
the visibility of other players' transmog
will be disabled as soon as you enter the game.
The goal here is to allow you to play the game
as if Transmog does not exist at all,
and you should be able to do just that.
I mean, I like that.
As somebody who's not a big mod guy, I like that.
I like that.
But I think it would be even better if it didn't exist,
but at least I could turn it off.
I think the ability to get off down to the system
is a good first step.
We do recognize that the collection aspect of Transmog
has an impact on the behavior of players as well, right?
So one thing we asked ourselves when designing this system
is, what happens if I go to Strafholm and the mask of the
unforgiven drops?
It's a sweet looking leather helmet.
It looks like a bandit mask.
Anybody would be stoked to have it in their transmog
collection, right?
Do I have to worry about someone who doesn't need that as an
upgrade, but just wants it for the mog?
True.
True, that's a good question.
The short answer is no.
Any bind on pickup, uncommon or rare deer that drops in
Dungeons will grant its appearance to all eligible looters when it's
Wait, I don't even know if I like that
People seem to love that but hold on
Yeah, that makes like trans log hunting so this means that that road
You can't even tell how like that should never be worried that worried that that warrior is just gonna roll for the mock
So there's no need to roll against anybody everybody just gets it everybody walks away
I think it's a fine solution, though, because, yeah,
you don't want people needing them on.
I guess you kind of have to do it.
You do expect groups to have an organized loot system.
That's been the case in WoW for years.
So the appearance for Epic items
will be granted to the person who looted and binds the item
only to preserve the uniqueness and prestige
of Epic appearances.
Awesome.
So for those who do want to fully engage with the system, the basic functionality should
look pretty familiar if you've played WoW Midnight, but with a few slightly more classic
modifications and restrictions.
Firstly, you may only transmog your gear to an item of the same type, so plate to plate
or cloth to cloth.
If you're a healer validant and you're wearing like the robes of the exalted, you'll need
another cloth chest to transmog over that.
However, to support this, we're adding the ability to select different armor appearance
types per slot so you can customize a single saved outfit to have both, say, a pair of
leather and male gloves in that outfit.
In case you get an upgrade out in the field, that doesn't match what you're currently
wearing.
You will not be able to transmog high-level items as a low-level player either.
We want your silhouette to be relative to your level.
Once you hit max level, however, all level restrictions are removed and any item in your
collection that is valid to be used on your equipped items will be transmogged.
The primary exception of this rule is the case of items like PvP gear that require certain
conditions to be met, such as rank.
So you will need to have the rank required to transmog that item over your equipped items.
If you have the system itself disabled, you'll still be able to configure and display your
own transmog just in case you want to do something like enable or disable your Helm slot or your
cloak, and additionally, if you have the system disabled, Helm and cloak visibility of other
players is not effective.
This preserves the original WoW functionality of being able to hide your helm and cloak
for yourself and others.
I mean, all of this works.
I'm just going to turn it off.
I'm just not a big transmog guy in classic.
Let's turn it all off.
It's fine.
While we love transmog, it was important to us to make sure to be respectful to those
who do not enjoy it and make its inclusion have as minimal impact as possible on the
way they play and see the game.
So there is actually a lot more to your transmog, and this was just part of an overview of the
system.
We'll be talking about this more in the coming days and weeks, and blog posts, and the other
communications leading up to our launch.
And so with that, I am going to hand it over to Ana Rizendes to talk about some of our
server infrastructure and how you'll be playing with your friends and wow forever.
Okay, here we go.
Now we're going to learn about the servers, guys.
Sick.
Okay, I wonder what they're doing here.
Server server.
Ah, she was actually an OG PvP-er. Her name was Triskus in-game, Gladiator Priest, who
played together back in Momp. Crazy to see her on the stage now, it's nuts.
Hi everyone, I'm so honored to be here with you. I cannot even describe the feeling, this
is a dream for me come true. Okay, let's start with it. I am Anna Rosendez, Lead Software
Engineer for the WAF Forever team, and I'm here to talk to you about the new legacy system,
some server updates. So let's start with the legacy system. When Harker came out, we loved
the fact that there were so many people constantly leveling, going through the journey over and
over again. The tick got inspired by how lively the world felt. I wanted to find new ways
to reward you for going again in the journey, maybe without facing the consequences of the
daily, like so deadly of it. So, the legacy system was created as a way to make leveling
alts more exciting, to emphasize the journey over the destination.
Okay, sick. With this new system, you get to have new challenges you can complete to
earn points for all of your characters. Each character can use these points to unlock new
rewards in different and exciting ways, making each of the characters' journeys more unique.
So let's first talk about the legacy points.
You can earn points by completing legacy challenges
across several categories that you can see
on the screen back here.
So let's look at a couple of examples.
For example, leveling a specific class.
You have different milestones from level 25, 45, and 60.
Another example is reaching a particular scale set
like Artisan Engineering.
So the goal of the earning these points
It sent to force you to do something out of the ordinary.
You know, like, healing an enemy player
while singing Happy Birthday or something like that.
Yeah.
The idea is that the system complements your existing journey
and rewards the way that you already enjoy playing the game.
Well, maybe adding new challenges along the way.
Okay, but what do I do with these points?
Okay, let me introduce you to the legacy trees.
I feel like they need better challenges,
like crazy challenges, right?
Not just like hit 25.
Professions, adventures, and resourcefulness.
As you earn points, you'll be able to shape your journey
through these trees and choose the path that
best fits your play style.
Let's look at an example of each of the different trees
so you can get some idea.
So in the adventure tree, as you see,
I don't even want well rested.
I don't want a little faster.
We should have well rested.
I don't know if I like well rested.
Increases how quickly you can bring
rested experience and increases the cap
of the rest that experience are.
Excellent for leveling all of your alts.
An example in the professions tree,
you can see the bountiful harvest
that increases how many scarce materials you get from
many perving or skinning.
Make some more growth if you level more alts, all right.
Depending on the path you take,
you can unlock some pretty exciting perks.
So at this perk, in the resources tree,
you can find reagent economy,
where your class ability is no longer required reagents
to make buffing easier.
But stay with me.
Some of the more powerful perks like these ones
are very deep in the trees.
So you're going to have to make some very tough choices.
That's interesting.
What makes this system truly unique
is that the points you earn are shared
across all of your arcs.
Each character you have will be able to spend
the same number of points in their own trees.
Whether if you want to create lots of arts
to earn as many points as possible,
or you really want to have that and maximize
that particular character that you love,
the choice is yours.
I mean, I like the idea.
At lunch, the number of points are going to be capped.
So you're only going to have 16 points
to spend on your legacy trees.
We didn't want people to feel pressure
to have to do absolutely all of the challenges,
or for new players to feel like they have a very long way
to catch up.
That said, the number of points is capped.
But to begin with, you can earn up to 65 points,
even beyond that limit.
But what do you do with those 65 points?
Well, there's introducing now the legacy reward track.
We're here after you continue to create and get all of these challenges,
you will be able to get some rewards.
Like this one, this very cute little bear.
I really want to get it.
So, these rewards are intended to be cosmetic or prestige-based.
I should not provide a competitive gameplay advantage at all.
I do want to add another note about mounts.
What the heck?
In Burning Crusade, the upfront cost of getting your mount shifted to the trainer cost, and
in Wild Forever, we are also making this change.
Yeah.
I mean, I like the idea of prestige rewards, but I don't know about like...
So, in the future, we're going to continue to add new challenges and new perks and special
points on...
I like glasses or goggles or like a cloak.
And you can imagine things like maybe new perks in the existing trees, or maybe completely
new trees in the future okay I'm looking forward to this more challenges yes I
want to see what they end up doing there all of the different ways to play with
it I know I already have some idea of cooking and I will definitely have an
army of alfs to help me shape my journey I'm in the idea of it's cool it needs
more cooking I think something I'm here we go here we go here we go yes an
engineers, especially. Server infrastructure. So I want to start with the story. Yes, let's go.
You know, you know, passionate. I want to start with to share the first time that I played World
of Warcraft. I was really excited to start playing. I got this battle chest. I don't know if anyone
also got that. I got it. I got that same one. Yes. Yeah, I still have it. I think I come into my house
After a mountain of CDs, and just like waiting for all of the updates to finish, I was finally in and ready to play, and the first thing I saw logging in was this.
True! Servers!
I spent a good amount of time trying to decide which realm to pick. I didn't want to make the wrong choice.
Back then, I was like, what's Arthas, who's Dalaran?
I know better now, but luckily,
I knew I wanted to play with my friends
and meeting from Mexico,
in our options down pretty quickly
to Dracari and Ragnaros.
So I called my friends and asked them,
okay, where are we going?
And we decided to roll characters in Dracari.
I did wanna do a quick shout out
to all of my original Dracari players, you and the crowd,
I hear you!
That's just one guy, one guy.
Yeah, so anyways, I jumped into the game.
I probably spent like 30 minutes perfecting
my character's appearance,
and it took me less than five minutes to die.
But you know what?
That's a story for a different time.
A few days later though,
I was talking to another group of friends, IRL,
And I told them, hey, I started playing WoW.
Let's play together.
And they told me they played in Ragnaros.
So that was it.
I needed an alt in there, but it was not the same.
So as we approach the development of WoW forever,
we didn't just look at our own experiences.
We look at the experiences of countless of other players
like you.
One of the trends we noticed in Classic
was that players naturally gravitated towards the same realms,
creating these massive realms and potentially long queues.
We get it.
In big realms, you always have people to group up
with, a healthy economy, someone that
has the recipe for that item you really
want at any time of the day.
The challenge is that back in 2004,
the game simply couldn't handle enormous numbers of players
locked in into the same realm at the same time. Since then, thanks to the incredible
work of our engineering teams, we made huge improvements to the technology. And today,
we can support far more players on a single realm than ever before. With that in mind,
and living in a world that is more connected than ever, we decided to invest even further
into helping players connect and play with each other. Like, while forever, you won't
select a realm anymore because we're going around this.
Woo!
No realms, guys.
No realms!
I don't know if we accidentally talked about that yesterday on accident, but there is no
realms anymore in World of Warcraft.
Technology!
We're doing it!
No realms at all.
So...
Is that...
Yeah, just...
Okay, okay.
Let's not get too crazy.
Yeah.
We're not putting everyone in one giant realm.
To start, instead of choosing a realm,
you choose from one of the following rule sets.
You know, it's very similar to the current
classic offerings.
You might want to choose normal, or PBE is referred to
in classic, or some players call it like that.
In here, you can focus on exploration,
and only fight others when you choose to.
So, let's do a live survey.
Any takers for normal?
Yeah?
Yeah?
Let's go.
Unless I'm like main tanking on a properly no if you're the kind of player who wants every trip into contest the territory
To come with a little bit of danger and a lot of excitement
Then player versus player or PVP is for you. Do we have any PVP ears?
PVP right here, baby. PVP realm. Yes, sir. Yes, sir
Or
Perhaps you really want to dive into the fantasy of the game and look for other like-minded players in which case
role playing might be for you. Any RP enjoy the challenge?
I'll role play as well. I'll do a little bit of RP.
Yes.
Well, Pino, Pino, RP.
Nice.
And finally, once hardcore is available post-launch, if you're looking for the ultimate challenge...
I actually had dinner with Weedelf last night by the way.
...for K's position markers, and that has real consequences, hardcore is your choice.
Hardcore hold!
Let me hear it. Who's excited for hardcore?
Yes, sir! Hardcore, baby!
You're so brave, like you're so brave to go into hardcore.
Okay, so once you made your selection, there's one more thing I want to make sure you understand.
Well, what forever makes it easier than ever to play with your friends?
There's still some restrictions.
Think about each rule set like a mega-roll.
Here's how it works.
Factions are still separate if your court my personal favorites. Yeah
You won't be able to group up with the Alliance players
Yeah, good that would be brutal. They said you can do that. Oh my god
So you will only be able to group up the dungeons and raids with the people of your same rule set and
And if you choose hardcore, you will be completely in close ecosystem.
However, if your character dies, you'll be able to transfer to another game rule set.
And now, for the first time, you'll be able to transfer to PvP.
Oh, nice! We can transfer to PvP realms. I'm still kind of curious how this works.
Moving on. Collections and the system I just talked about, Legacy System,
are still account-wide and will be across rulesets,
except hardcore.
The things that you earn in hardcore
will be available in the other game rulesets,
but not the other way around.
Yes.
Yeah, that's good.
That's actually good.
So I also want to add another note.
As part of the server updates,
your characters will now have two names.
So you can think about it like maybe a first name
and a last name here in the US, we refer it to.
And now that names are going to be unique per region,
we wanted you to be able to create original names like Anna
forever.
So now you have the choice of getting two last names,
I have two names instead of just one.
So going back to my personal story,
I have very fond memories of my time on Dracare.
Those are some original screenshots, by the way,
of like back to 2009.
And we recognize that we need that UI back, man, we need that UI back, I need to add on.
From being part of our realm.
Well, forever is a reflection of seven years of learning for our world team.
As I mentioned before, playing Scrabbit Days towards bigger realms, at the same time, they
really care about community and sense of belonging.
So we ask ourselves, por qué no los dos?
Why not both?
And there is something we're incredibly excited about.
We have updated the infrastructure
to give you the benefits of large realms
with the goal of capturing the essence of the realm.
So when will you notice this is when you're out in the world
leveling, questing, or exploring,
you may cross paths with the same players again and again.
Maybe you help each other complete a quest,
race for the same mining node, or simply go by this shoulder
as you pass by, and maybe throw up there.
I'm curious how well this is going to work.
I'm really curious.
The next day, you might see the same player again
and recognize their name.
Over time, strangers become familiar faces,
and familiar faces become part of your community.
Or if this works, it's sick.
And think about it like one had to group up for an elite.
As you're coordinating with your guild,
We want you to encounter your guildmates out in the world, even before you have grouped
up.
So one crucial thing for me was joining a server that spoke Spanish like I do, and for
while forever you will get the choice for your language preference too.
And you will encounter other players who share that same preference.
I also want to address faction balance.
It is very important for our peer-to-peer ruleset.
So we'll have mechanisms in place to shoot for a core and alliance faction balance just
as we introduced the introduction of Discovery.
It sucks but it works.
It sucks but it works.
We don't want you to have to make the choice between potentially longer queues at launch
or what would not be your forever roam.
So our goal is to give you the best of both worlds.
The benefits of a large room while preserving the sense of community.
really excited for new communities to be born and also for you to bring your own so
can't wait to see you in Azeroth. Alright this is a big doggy man, I love this.
Now to talk about the core of the game. Combat items, classes and talents. I'll have things
over the 21 year veteran of War of Warcraft, Chris. Alright, Chris. Combat items, classes
and talent. So there it is guys, no more servers, you have a rule set. I might have
actually shown it on the other PC yesterday on accident, but now it is there. Hi Chris,
this guy is a legend man. So it's been two years since we stopped work on Season of Discovery.
What have the class and item designers been up to since then? We're gonna need to move
I'm going to talk about our combat philosophy, exciting changes to itemization, new racial
abilities, and finally, anyone here play Paladin?
Yeah, I'll play a little bit of Paladin.
A deep dive look at all of our class and talent changes for the Paladin class to illustrate
all of our class design across the game.
First, let's talk about how combat works in World of Warcraft forever.
Our team loves the feel and pacing of combat in World of Warcraft classic.
It's important to us that we do not change how that combat feels.
And that leads to some very important design decisions.
First, keep our classes simple, but with surprising depth.
Keep our classes distinct, with each having unique strengths and weaknesses.
No homogenization.
W! Yes! Yes, that's what we want. All right.
Combat pacing is a little slower.
It takes you about 15 seconds to kill a creature on your own.
And dungeon gameplay is tactical.
That means crowd control matters.
You need to Polymorph, Fanish.
No, we're going to AoE, but...
Yeah, dude.
Yes, yes, you see.
That's right, that's good.
That's good.
You can keep the tank from being overrun from too much damage.
And threat matters.
Our tanks can only do threat on three or four targets at once.
You can't pull a whole dungeon all at once.
Moving on to stacks.
One of the things we wanted to do in World of Warcraft forever was unsolve the game.
Yes, yes.
For 22 years, and we know everything, we know what to do, we know those perfect paths and what items to get.
What if all that changes? What if you got to solve it again?
To that end, we made a ton of changes to itemization throughout the game.
This is going to be so interesting to figure out.
choices how to gear your character with different stats and those choices changing based on which
class you're playing, what combat you're in, where you go. So we're keeping all of the stats
from WoW Classic and with a few changes and also adding more that came in some of the future
expansions although I'll say more not angry resilience. First let's talk about hit chance.
In World of Warcraft Plastic, it was separate from melee, ranged, and spells, and that was kind of awkward.
If you're an enhancement shaman or a ret paladin, or even a warrior who wants your taunts to land.
So we've unified it for all types of attacks at once, which doesn't just benefit those paladins.
But also rogues landing their poisons, hunters landing their traps, warriors landing their taunts.
Yeah, I like that.
And we've done the exact same thing
with your chance to critical strike.
That is also all merged in the same way.
And melee moonkins.
Melee moonkins really want physical hit and spell hit.
Weapon skill was probably the strongest stat,
especially for melee in World of Warcraft Classic.
But it was a little too easy to get and a little too strong.
So you may recall in Barnaker's save, we removed it.
Well, we want to keep it.
So we've rebalanced it.
You can't get quite as much on a single item as you used to.
But you can get it.
It still works, it's still very valuable.
For our healing classes, one of their problems was
you go to an extra ambush, you get an amazing set of gear,
you go out questing and you can't kill anything, right?
So we adopted a change that all of our healing items
also come with bonus damage.
So our healers can enjoy the whole game as well.
We're also adding a new stat that doesn't exist in WoW Classic.
You can now reduce the chance for your attacks to be parried and dodged, which is really great
for tanks as it does double duty.
Spellcaster-oriented weapons now grant bonus Spelled Imaging Healing all the way down to
level 10.
I'm a little worried about this, this might be too much.
It's about their weapons as much as worries and worries.
I'm a little worried.
Everyone needs to have a more fun game the whole way along.
One big area of a change was trinkets.
We want trinkets to be more variety, more different ways to solve problems,
so they're all much more specialized and targeted specific situations.
You've got a bag full of tricks.
You're pulling out for different encounters and different situations.
I like that.
The War Game Intel has been here being a great example.
biome based effects biome based effects. We also added two whole new classes of effects on items
some that only work or work better in certain areas mountains or deserts or cities or caverns
and others that have bonus effects against different species like Excalibur here
does bonus damage against undead and swine whatever that is.
I don't want the massive damage to be too high across the entire game. Spell damage that
That was kind of trolly. Every single dungeon boss has had their loot reexamined
Everything is upgraded to rare quality
Many new items have been added and old items that maybe weren't up the snuff are better
But the old favorites that really stand out items are also still there a
New cluster words have been added across the board a
Very famous class is well known to Alliance players in duskwood
You get a class to go kill the undead soldier more latin. You're super excited about this
You get a group together you kill him, and maybe you're made for solo it all manner
Priest whatever at the end of the class
You get a two-in-a-sort
That's great. If you're a warrior or a paladin, what about everybody else?
So now more latin also hands you back his heirloom family ring, which is a fantastic spell power ring. I
I love that they're getting pressure rewards up to par, but I don't know about spell damage at this low level.
Because the creep is going to be too high.
You finish all and have this Kemet Nessing wear his quest in Stranglethorne.
He would give you a Master Hunter's Bow or a Master Hunter's Crossbow.
He now also has a Master Hunter's Wand.
And this Master Hunter's Spell Sword, specifically designed for retpaladins to do, has strength and spell damage on it together.
together.
And there's much more atomization
for all of those fibrous facts across the game
than there ever was before.
We've gone through all of our world drop epics,
and they've all been revisited.
When you see an epic drop, it's an exciting moment.
Oh my god, I'm getting an epic.
And they were often really disappointing.
They weren't that great, actually.
So we've gone through them all and made them all much stronger,
much more useful.
So you may see one of these drop,
you'll know you'll want to use it or give it to a friend
or maybe sell it in the auction house.
And even added a few ones like this ranged weapon here,
thrown weapon here.
All right, next up, racial abilities.
One of the things that we like about racial abilities
in Wild Classic is they give you a reason
to make a new character, play a new class,
play in a race, see the game through new eyes.
So we decided to make our racial abilities
stronger and more different than they ever were before.
We also added six new race class combinations.
Nome priests. Human hunters.
Dwarf shamans. Warp mages and troll warlocks.
Undead Pallies!
Undead Pallies is so cool. I'm so happy they did that.
With Warp Plan to come in future content.
That would be cool.
Each race now has two active abilities and two passive abilities.
Turn to give each race an equal, similar amount of offensive power
and signature utility and survivability.
I'm going to share details of dwarves and undead
because of our new options with shamans and paladins.
Stone form is mostly unchanged,
but you might recall, say, you were a dwarf priest.
There were a lot of those.
It increased your armor, and who cares? You had no armor. It wasn't doing anything.
So now it reduces physical damage. It doesn't care how much armor you have.
Flying Treasure was a useful racial ability, but it conflicted with finding herbs, tracking beasts, finding minerals.
So now Flying Treasure can be active at the same time as any other tracking ability.
Okay, sick. I like that. Nice.
And Treasure at the same time.
Inspired by Hem at Nothing Wary,
Dwarves now have big game hunter giving 5% increased damage to beasts.
We really like abilities like this because they give each different character in your party
a raid, a chance to shine on a different encounter.
There might be a fight where you're fighting human noise and the rogue is the best.
You're fighting Undead and Palo the best and you're fighting a beast, the dwarves are
going to get a chance to shine.
So there's a reason to bring everybody, everybody gets their moment in the sun.
Finally, Maze Specialization is a good example of how we've changed weapon skill.
So weapon skill used to be only good for melee, and a little too strong, but now, while
Dwarf has any kind of Maze equipped, they get 1% increased crit chance to their spells,
melee, and range the deities.
I like that.
I actually like that.
Sick.
Okay.
Because Shamans and Priests will now care about having a Maze equipped and benefits from
this racial.
Let's move on to the undead.
We'll look for second, but a little bit too strong.
It gave you immunity to these effects.
Now it simply breaks them.
No, it was fine.
You could have kept it.
It was fine.
It was fine.
Cannibalized now doesn't just give you health back, it gives you manaback.
Particularly fantastic for those pylodons.
Underwater breathing is as it always was.
But remember, in wild classic, that breath was really short.
So that increased amount of time underwater
makes you able to do a lot more.
Dude, Undead Pile is going to be so cool.
And finally, the big one, touch of the grave,
this new racial for the undead gives them
the increased damage and survival that they never had before.
Each of your attacks and spells has a chance
to drain health from the target, doing extra damage,
and also healing you and keeping you alive.
That's just a taste of our racials.
Go play the demo to see them all.
All right, let's talk about classes.
We're going to keep that into talents.
But first, we want to talk about our philosophy on talents.
All classes still have three talent trees.
They still have seven rows.
They still have those one-point talents at 11, 21, 31,
the gold medal talents.
We called them.
We've even added a fourth gold medal talent
at the 16 mark in every single one of the talent trees.
The talents look good overall, Counselor.
Many talents are exactly the same as they were,
unchanged from 2006.
But many have been updated and improved
and new have been added.
In particular, there were a lot of talents
that gave you better buffs, improved Battle Shell,
divine spirit, blessing of kings, improved market of wealth.
They're all gone.
All of those bonuses are now baseline
to the entire class.
You don't need a talented one.
Good, good, sick.
I like that. And what's great about that is it makes Rufus more cool and stuff.
Yeah.
Our goal was to make sure that every single one of our 27 talent trees is a viable option
to bring to your dungeon or raid group.
Yeah, that's good. We don't want to haunt you nice though.
Every class, every spec is worthy to come, but no class is so strong or spec is so strong
that you want to stack them.
And they're not equal.
They all have different distinct strengths and weaknesses
that they bring to the group.
So we don't have time to look at every class.
So let's take a deep dive look at Paladin.
First, what changed for the whole class?
I don't know how many people here
played the 2000s in the beta.
Tell me a few.
I did.
Actually, not the beta.
Dude, Seal of Fury looks so good.
Paladin's back then, and it looks sick.
Holy Strike that got cut before the game was shipped. Yeah, I just learned about that. Yeah at level six all paladins learn Holy Strike
Give it a little bit more melee damage doing holy damage based on their weapon to the target
The 12-second cooldown and every one of the three paladin trees has ways to improve Holy Strike
Judgment no longer consumes your seal. Oh
I missed that. Oh, what?
No more seal busy work. Oh, yeah bad things to do
That's insane! Nice!
He added a new seal called Seal Theory that is our answer to tanking Paladin.
Love it, love it, love it. Yes, yes. Do you actually love to pilot redesign?
First, every time you swing, just like with Seal of Righteousness, it does damage to the target,
but it doesn't matter how fast your weapon is, so the faster the weapon you use, the more damage it'll do, the more effective.
It creates a small absorb shield to the Paladin, helping him stay alive a little bit.
But most importantly, judgment of fury is your new taunt.
I love this.
This is so smart.
And this is particularly interesting because Groul and taunt have a 5 yard range and judgment
has a 10 yard range.
So Paladin's got a little bit more reach to reach out and grab something to bring it to
the plate.
I love it. I might have to play a Pally, guys.
Finally, we had to make some changes to Consecration.
Those of you who played Burning Crusade know that Paladin Consecration can predominate damaged tanking runs.
And we want to maintain that tactical combat I was talking about where you can't just pull the whole dungeon at once.
Consecration now does light damage to every target that enters the Consecration and heavy damage to the first four.
So you're gonna have enough threat on those first four targets but not all the rest and everybody has to keep
Respecting wait, I don't know if I control and not hold the whole whole room
I don't know if I like that one
grinding
Maybe I'm pious, but as it mentioned
Everybody has improvements the holy strike the very first row of holy has improved holy strike producing its cool down
Probably every pal is gonna take this one
Voice of Truth is their new 11-point gold medal talent, giving some immunity to silence
and interrupts.
Reverence, however, is a big change for Paladins.
Yes, Paladins will now care about spirit and get regen from it while in combat.
Oh, that's interesting.
In fact, all of our classes that do damage and healing via mana will have talents or abilities
to give the mana back based on their spirit.
the spirit is worth having on your gear.
Okay.
It includes especially Holy Paladins and Restless Shamans.
And finally, divine power used to be a little deeper
in the tree, it used to be at 21, it's moved to 61, 16,
sorry, to make room for more stuff,
but basically the same as it ever was.
Moving on.
Confusion of Light is a new talent that solves a problem that Holy Palins had across multiple
expansions, but either they're casting Flash of Light all the time and nothing else, or
Holy Light all the time and nothing else, it's how I encourage you to mix those spells
together and use your whole toolkit.
Love it, love it.
I love Talons like this.
Holy Shock used to be the 31 point talent and is now at 21 points in the talent tree.
which makes it in reach of a lot of hybrid PvP builds in particular.
And its cooldown has been reduced to 10 seconds.
You can use it a lot more often.
Shocked and hard?
It's going to be key for another building about to talk about.
Consecrated Ground plays into the whole Shocked and Fantasy of Holy.
While targets are standing at your Consecration, they take more Holy damage from your attacks.
And finally, Lights Vigil solves several problems for Paladins.
The biggest one is they have no way to heal a whole party at once.
Now we don't want to make them the same as priests and Druids and how they can do that or shamans or chain heal
So instead lights vigil requires setup you put lights vigil on a target
One of your friends then the next time you holy shock them their entire target party of that target will be healed and
Holy shocks cool down will be reset
If you're really smart big birds vigil up on multiple parties
Yeah, holy shock, holy shock, holy shock, holy shock, and your whole ray group is back to a place where they can survive
That's it.
Last hit them.
Similarly, you can use it on enemies to do increased damage and, again, reset the cooldown
of Holy Shock.
I like the Piley to sign a lot, so that's really cool.
Moving on to Protection Palladin talents.
Their new 11-point talent is improved Seal of Fury, which gives the mana back when Seal
of Fury blocks damage.
And Shield Specialization combines with it to give them enough mana to sustain combat
for the entire boss. So every time you block you're getting mana back and the
more things you're blocking the more mana you're getting. Swift Judgment solves a
problem that all our tanks have. It's their new 16-point talent. What do you do
when your taunt misses? If you're a warrior you hit mocking, you hit challenging
challenge. If you're a paladin, Swift Judgment resets the cool down on judgment
and lets you use it again to taunt target again and get a second chance. W.
Okay, sick, nice.
Or maybe use it creatively on the pole to get more judgment debuffs up on the target quickly.
Templars' Bulwark is their new 21-point talent
that plays with their system for forbearance.
I love Bulwark.
It triggers forbearance, it's preventable forbearance,
but it also grants you an absorbed shield equal to 100% of your health,
making you a lot more survivable.
But it's a hard choice up against things like Divine Shield.
Not if you're tanking and you don't want to lose to that favorite. It's great. Not going anywhere
But it's been improved like tanks are supposed to be uncritable, right?
So reckoning now has a chance to trigger every time you block and if you're tanking more things you're blocking more things
Yeah, I like that better sick nice
Finally iron creed is a deep talent in Prott
That when you use your holy strike reduces your damage you take for a few seconds by 10%
So a very careful Paladin can help their healers keep them alive in those critical moments by finding their only threat.
I love it bro, they cooked with Paladin, it's so good, oh my gosh.
Alright, finally Retribution.
Vindication is an old talent that everybody skipped.
What it did was reduce the target's strength and agility, but in PvE it had basically no effect.
We've reworked it, and now it works like demoralizing shout and demoralizing roar, reducing the target's attack power.
And by the way, all three of those are reduced by the same amount.
Sacred Arbiter is a unique Paladin utility.
When Paladins judge a target, the way they have to maintain it is staying close to judge again or mailing that target.
But now with Sacred Arbiter, a rep Paladin can keep the judgments up for all of the other Paladins in their party array.
So you can benefit from light and wisdom and crusader at the same time
Champion of the light is a new ability deep in the tree that gives increased spell damage and healing based on your intellect
So now those items that increase your manifold. Maybe you don't want to skip those
Maybe you want those combined with strength or attack power to do the most damage
Instrument of the law solves two problems one it makes hammer wrath instant
Nice, I like that, I like that.
Now that the damage is as good as everyone else, you need a little threat reduction.
Finally, twist of light is our answer to seal twisting, which you know you love.
I already saw this yesterday, but yeah, they cooked it this.
So now each time you replace one of your damaging seals with another seal, you get an echo of
the replaced seal.
And then your swing, your melee swings benefit from the old seal.
That was max, he scared me.
I was like, what's going on?
alternate seal command and seal righteousness, every swing will benefit from both seals.
But I do know some people do not like seal twisting. So using that increased spell power from
Champion of Light, drop this talent, go 21 points down holy, and use holy shock for a shotgun and
build on retribution instead. Dude, the Paladin designer, I mean come on, like you gotta be happy
for a prop alley. We gave Paladins some new tools that they were solely lacking, but we left them
them with significant holes in their toolkit. We don't want to homogenize our classes.
Paladins still can't interrupt. They still can't slow the target down, but they are very,
very strong against demons and undead. They have limited range capabilities. They have
this unique seal and judgment system that no other class has with powerful effects. They
can be very effective tanks. They deal competitive damage. But as a healer, they have limited
ability to heal a party.
They've got to plan ahead, use lights vigil.
But they're still the best single target
healer in the game, able to maintain their manifold
longer than any other class can.
This is so good for Paladin.
I wasn't able to share with you all of our changes
for every class I raised today.
Please go play the demo.
Check out the beta when it comes out on Thursday.
We will have videos and blogs and question and answer
sessions in the weeks to come.
We'll give you more details and our deeper vision
for all these classes and specializations.
I've had a great time up here on stage with you today.
Have a great close-con, everybody.
Dude, okay, so, Paladin, I'm jealous.
I'm jealous as a mage.
Mages didn't get that much cool stuff.
Paladin at least prod and holy,
I don't know if that deep on red just looks amazing.
Like, holy crap, like amazing,
it's very big.
With MSI's QD relay monitors,
This is very, very shallow of Paladin.
Okay, just don't need more of him.
Hey, fair enough.
Okay, let me turn this down.
All right, fair enough.
Yeah, mages were already kind of fine.
Paladin needed the love, so it makes sense.
But Paladin looks so fun.
Like I'm gonna need an undead Paladin, man.
Straight up I'm gonna need one.
Like, Prott looks so fun now.
Like an actual taunt, a second taunt.
Like, reckoning rework, shock it in looks cool.
Twisting is like, like actual real now.
It's sick.
Dude, it looks awesome.
No PVP info.
I think there is another deep dive at 2.15
that I'm going to be trying to watch as well.
So I think the schedule is, I think I might be moving.
I'm not 100% sure, but I think I'm moving to the couch soon.
And then after the couch, we're going to watch
ATMC on the couch and maybe play some more
Forever on the couch with Pika.
And then I'm going to be moving back over here
checking out the next panel in a few hours for the the second deep dive and
then there's a hardcore panel later today I'm gonna also try to hit and then the
AWC finals I'm also gonna try to hit so we're gonna try to hit all of it yeah
it's kind of yeah we're gonna be casting on the couch we're not really casting on
the couch we're gonna be we're gonna be watching like watch watching on the
couch like watch partying on the couch with pika so that's what's happening
there um but yeah holy crap guys I'm amped after looking at so let's let's
quickly recap if you guys are just tuning in one no more surfers rule sets
instead you have a giant surfer a giant I guess we'll call it server I don't know
what it's called this one giant place make a character PvE PvP hardcore or RP
You play it's just boom. You just play the game done. So um that seems good
Transmog toggleable. I'm not a big transmog fan. Honestly guys I
Am amped the only thing that I keep coming back to it that I'm not excited for is
That darn user interface. I am sorry that I keep complaining about this
But I am going to 100% need an add-on
to fix this thing because I like it just looks like retail man like I I want the UI to look like classic
That's my biggest possible
Grape like that's my only thing that I keep going back on it's just like I don't want it to look like retail man
Like that that is like my big thing, but other than that it looks great, you know like the class the class design looks awesome
I think a lot of the choices are are cool. I think fire mage
might need some changes. I think RK mage looks fun. Frostlix basic but fun. I think Paladin
looks sick. Shaman looks sick. Warlock looks sick. Shadow Priest looks sick. Rogue looks solid.
UI is optional. No, it's not. I wish. If they made the UI optional, they'd be sick though.
Can't you speak to the lead devs there. I mean I can tell them stuff, but I can I can try to you know try to say stuff
Dual spec is in yep
So weird the ui's not optional they should make the UI optional that would be ideal yeah
Energy ticks or riot I agree with that
I so I almost want to do like a notepad of things that I like and don't like you know
I'll do that when I'm home on Tuesday, but I agree. I I want energy ticks and manatecks back
Of course, like that's like a no-brainer like come on definitely
um, I
Almost seem to do like a full on notepad
You know if EU can play with NA I would assume no they didn't cover that but I would assume no region realms. I'm sure it's region. Yeah
Guys, I was gonna get kicked off from this streaming station from Max, but I think Max has that streaming station over there
He's getting set up now
So I was gonna leave right now, but I could also just stay here and play more forever. So I think I might just stay here
Ha ha got our streaming station a little longer. That's what we're talking about. Let's go. All right, let's open up World of Warcraft then and
Continue playing the video game
We're talking about
So then we will be we will be checking out a wc in a little bit checking out panels hardcore panels twitch prime subs are free
The new updates all that kind of stuff
Real real soon here
sick
Alright, so we're going to sit here for a second, then I'm going to move over to a couch with
Peekaboo, and we're going to try to play WoW Forever on the couch with Peekaboo, if you
So yeah, bear with me guys, I am here for the ride, guys.
I am here for the ride, I am being thrown all over the place, left and right, front,
center, I'm all over.
Check control, racial break, shadow form, uh, shadow form's at 40, so you can't, I can't
even try that.
It's in shot for my 40 for sure it is.
Yeah I'm level, you're level 38 on the beta so I can't even try that.
Unfortunately sorry man I would, I would check it for you.
Rapid region
3-minute cooldown regenerate 50% your maximum health over 6 seconds and then desserting increases both crossing and attack speed
People are saying legacy points
How do you guys know more than me? What's going on here?
turning volume down still one second it's weird all I have to do instead of
hopefully that volume is a bit right actually you know what I need to do I
could turn down here too people are saying in the middle okay I think the
volume should be better now
you gain telepoints every level starting at 9 instead of starting at 10 so you're
saying if I get that that's the tech like that I don't know if I actually like
that that's interesting but you're saying when I have that I can do this and
then I at level 38 I can get my capstone and then I can test
Okay. Assume shot of form. Alright, so the guy in the shot wanted me to test something.
He said try to use the, was it the berserking ratio or the rapid reach end ratio you wanted
me to test, bro? I'm testing for like one guy right now. I mean, berserking works. You
probably wanted me to check the other one, though. It's on cooldown for a couple minutes.
check in a sec. Can you test snapshotting? Dude, I don't even know how I would test that.
Trying to think how I would test that. I could try to like get into a dungeon solo.
Thank you so much. Yeah, no problem, bro.
How much a while forever can you play right now? Not a ton. Like, you can either try to do the
Dungeons or you can try to just
Like level level one sky borns
Dual peekaboo I think I'm moving over to the like peekaboo's couch here in a second
We're gonna be moving over and then we're gonna
uh, shield there for a bit, and then we're gonna move back over here for the next panel.
Guys, when is the next panel? Is it at 2.15 or is there another one?
Hey guys, it is, it is hard to find information here, because everyone's telling me different stuff.
You guys at home might know better than me.
2.15 is the next panel.
Okay, so I will try my best to be back on this computer at 2.15 or earlier,
so that we can check out the next panel.
Yeah.
And then hardcore is at 4.15.
Okay.
so you can use rapid regen in shadow form confirmed I tested for that one guy
any other questions guys before I move to the couch I can try to try to check
other stuff for you guys if you have like specific questions I can try fear
ward or fear where you cannot use in shadow form
check for a classic UI does not exist does rogue look nice yes looks really
cool. Show of planes walking. I showed it yesterday already if you want to check the
vault it's really cool. Are the rulesets permanent? I would assume. Can you renew in
shadow form? No. What about fortitude buff? Yes, you can fortitude in shadow form. No
classic UI? Yeah. Someone said there's something at 115 on the wow stage as well.
I'll try to for sure hit the 215 one if there's a one at 115. I think that one might have got moved to 215
I could be wrong
Can show him its tank kind of well to learn more about that, but I feel like they kind of can
Classic UI does exist no no, it's not it's not exist. I want it to though
So the 115 one is not about well forever.
I see.
OK, so let me try to do the 215 one.
Yeah, all right, guys, I'm going to go.
Yeah, I'm going to quickly move the stream over
to the couch with peekaboo.
We're going to try to play well forever on the couch together.
That's what we're going to try to do.
So we'll see you guys in just a second.
I'm literally just moving like 15 feet.
So hopefully it's just a minute or two downtime and then we'll be I'll see you guys over there
So don't go anywhere. We'll keep messing around with this answering your questions messing around with pika
And then we'll be back on here later for the next deep dive panel. All right, that's what's happening
Much pain I'm in so much pain
I'm I'm kind of pain everything
Every single thing everything possible. Oh wait, can you speak any languages?
I think we have to go say hi to the now we have all the Europeans here. We need to give him some
Some love
What do you mean? I don't usually stream this early in the day
Sure, where are you guys from? Okay, who's Scandinavian? Let's take attendance
That was there. Who's from who's from Denmark?
Well, to Roostin boy
Hey son, look at these guys making a stream for them. This is crazy
More than hard you that brought back
What are you saying? Is that a I'm speaking? What is that? Why do you know Norwegian?
All right, what do you want? Oh, what I'll teach you something. Okay, say repeat after me
Okay, do do do where do where so we're so
Where we're so do where so what I mean?
It means you are
You say to someone that you like
Do where it's not
Where's that?
Stop bro. I
Don't even know I don't know you said I didn't have the headset on
I
My chat real quick. Yeah, what's up for life over here?
I'm just gonna go to the restroom real quick with peekaboo arrives with by myself, and then we'll be back to
Check out you're gonna do it with him. No, I'm going together. I mean if you want to go together
Okay, I mean we could that's his son. I guess we could go solo one or the other
Yeah, regardless. I'll be back in just a second and we'll bond in the line. So all right, cool. I'll be back on snapchat
I
Wasn't that so funny
Stop you didn't understand that he's okay. Look at me. He's like what's up?
What's up?
Do we're said
Do we're said
We're said
Do or suck
Do air sus guys are you saying you're right?
You can't call me a moron bro I'm speaking another language
And then you say, you know another language?
You say, TAC, TACSAMIKE, TACSAMIKE
Alright who's French?
Guys typical American man
They only know one language and then they insult you
Kamasabal?
Yen, Itwa?
You guys know nothing
How do you not even know hi?
You don't know anything?
I thought I peed all over myself
You know Spanish?
It doesn't show up on the what?
You know Spanish?
A little bit
Okay, hold on. Wait, should we try to set up the squad here again? Yeah. What do you mean again?
I don't know. I feel like you're trying like five times. All we have to do is add the other people.
Guys, it might be a wow forever angle while the MBI happens.
It's gonna be really good. I think MBI is after this though. There's one more series. No, this is MBI right now.
No, they just showed the, the, there's one more series. Yeah. And then we have a break.
Oh, Chinese streamers on.
That's so cool that they keep them trying. I don't know.
Yeah, I don't want to see what it is.
Yes, are you might actually go hold up?
He is banana.
I think it does get another one.
Let's see here.
How much techs are right now?
Yeah, you see how fast this guy's
trying to ditch us for classic?
Even when we're sitting next to him in person, it's crazy.
I'm not ditching for classic.
It's not classic.
It's the new wow.
It's crazy.
It's the new wow.
It's wow forever.
Even in person, he's ditching us for classic.
The turnies are still going.
We got another series ditching us for classic.
What are these clowns saying?
This mic is super loud.
Boku loud.
You can turn it down.
It's fine. I'll tough it out.
I'll deal with it.
All you do is you press that down.
No big deal.
No big deal.
He can ditch forever.
What's wrong with you guys, man?
We've been watching the arena the entire time.
We've got two big teams coming up.
Is that going to be a normal thing
where potentially someone comes onto the couch after?
I have no idea. I thought we did too. So clearly there was a miscommunication.
Well, what they told me they're like, oh, they said people want to hang out with us.
Guys, is it cool to try to interview a team who loses on the stage like right after the
lose?
I know, right. It kind of feels a little bit bad.
It feels a little weird, right?
No, I think it's a little weird.
It's a little weird.
They might not feel that great either.
Yes.
Guys, you hear a random man. You hear a strange man.
We got to fit on the couch somehow.
We have to scoot over.
OK.
I'm small.
We can all fit.
We're good.
We're good.
OK.
Thank you.
Yes or no?
Can you guys hear him?
Did they say yes so they could hear?
Yeah, I think so.
Welcome.
Welcome.
Welcome.
Testing.
I can hear you.
Yeah, yeah, we're out here.
Oh, that could be huge.
You do this is crazy, guys.
These guys are so addicted.
They're so addicted.
Who am I hearing?
I was like, there's voices so addicted.
What's up my hair?
Oh, my God.
Oh, they can't hear Zara Zara's muted.
Is that good or bad?
We can hear him.
No, they can't hear him.
No, they can't.
We can hear him, though, but they can't.
The chat can't hear him, but we can hear him.
Yes, obviously.
What do you think I'm saying?
OK, you don't hear him.
What?
Never mind.
We're good.
Do I still need to sign in?
Are we trying to do the screen?
I think so.
That's absolutely.
They're asking.
I said the camera was a little low.
That pointed kind of like, you know, slow.
Well sus
That's a little sus
Well sus
Wait are subs working or no?
I will see that because I don't know if it's internet connection or something or some kind of update in September but I'm not sure if there's been
It is still active
He's some kind of record for Sub's during WoW forever, during the AWC and MBI.
Why is he standing?
No, he's not standing.
No, he's like crouching down.
No, guys, yeah, he's not standing.
It's a...
Yeah, no, it's...
The closer you are, the more distorted it is actually, so that's probably why.
You're still muted Tor. Yeah, they don't hear yet.
Yeah, Matt, think of the five gifted shadows are the subs are working on it. They're gonna
fix it. We have multiple John blizzards on the case that most tech expert people.
I'm talking like these guys are opening tabs. I've never seen you ever seen the sound.
You're being asked. You're saying we can lip read it. Okay guys just just read his lips.
I know what up. Testing. Anyone here's R? Anyone here's R?
Which mic are you using? 4? 4 was the one I think that was not working. I mean maybe
we could rotate out working headsets and then try to figure out the issue potentially like
that.
You might have to.
Yeah.
What's with your spot?
Yeah.
Oh, OK, I see.
So you're telling us all four of us stream and none of us
can figure out how to work this?
Well, this is a crazy.
None of us can figure out how to fix it.
They got crazy.
I mean, if it was just a little plug-and-play,
I could probably figure it out.
Four streamers and two techs.
We can't figure it out.
We have literally the road software pulled up right now.
I mean, this is not plugged into something because if we can hear him clearly the mic is gone
It's more on the other also not watching the game, which is quite unfortunate, but
Sometimes there are bigger things on the table. We're gonna hit some wow forever
You're gonna play well never not watch the game. It's gonna be wild forever angle I think
at least we can use our so like if you have anything private you want to share
with us we can drop like a major tea and we'll just be like wow major tea
whatever you want to say man deep personal secrets anything like that any
any sentimental thoughts like we're here no one else can hear you this is a safe
space
Okay, can you guys hear me now twitch prime twitch prime twitch prime one one one in the chat? Are we good?
Are we locked in it? Are we dialed?
Yes
Yes, wow
Yes, nice great job
Nice nice nice should we swap up?
Okay swap up everything
Yeah, that's what the ones yesterday to you had to like chew on a little bit. You had to like almost eat it so they could hear you
It's kind of weird. Okay. Nice. Now we're on a couch. This is perfect. Yeah. Wow. We are definitely okay. We are hunkered in
I don't think it's straight anyways. I just it is what it is
Should we try to place it well forever here, are we trying to watch the AWC or what's happening? I mean, it's up to you guys
I'm down for literally whatever
group wow forever session ABC session
So, let's see here.
What are we saying?
How would we...
So, technically, to change the scene here, you just hit this.
Wait, did you hit something?
Desktop. Yeah, we're on the desktop now.
And that's the same thing as stream deck.
Yeah.
Okay, yeah.
Yeah, reconnect. Connecting.
Show Realm 1.
Is this gonna work?
Yes!
No, it won't work.
No, no, no, no, no. Who's 2-0-1? Is that the Rome?
I think it's, yeah, I think it's the Rome.
Do you want to play Pika or do you want me to play?
I mean, I'm down to a lot if I can spec.
They were out there 20 gifted subs while these guys ditched me for Classic.
We have to.
This is not very much.
This is Wow Forever, this isn't Classic, first of all.
Alright, and this is what we're going to be playing until we're like 50 years old.
Pika is ditching me forever with Wow Forever.
No, wait, you're not going to play?
We're here right now.
Of course you're Wow Forever.
Have you ever tried WoW forever yet?
I'm not.
I'm not.
I watched a little bit of it.
I watched a little bit.
I got kicked off the computers.
Why'd you get kicked off?
Oh, my time slot ended.
Oh, I know the key code to turn off the time slot, but I can't.
I can't reveal the code.
Oh, thanks.
Someone might hear it, but I know how to turn it off.
It's control off.
It's control off.
Wait.
Did you see?
Control off.
Control off.
No, because there, no, I don't think that's the command.
I'm pretty sure that's not the right command.
No.
Yeah, I know.
You cannot disable the timer in the play area. You're not supposed to do that. Everyone wait in line longer
Okay, don't don't do that. Yeah does not work. There's internal timers as well. It'll kick you off
They keep track they have stopwatches. So yeah, you can't all right. Yeah, you can't do all that
So what is the go-to? Oh
We are we good. Yeah. Oh, okay
So basically so in the starting zone you can only play the new race, right?
They won't let you play anything else and try to level a little bit
Correct and have you played in the starting zone and actually level past one because I've tried to watch you play
And I you're doing a lot of talent reading. Yeah, I was literally a lot of every single time a lot of talent analysis
Yeah, and it's three crafting on classes that you don't really play
Play all of them actually
Hardcore ultra hardcore well, this is wow forever. So this is a bit more it's a little it's got a newer difference
So yeah, it's pretty good. I was is the sky born race
Is that racial that useful glide downward dude? It's actually really have you seen it?
It's actually pretty fast so you can like like an PvP on splice rock mountain you can like jump off like
Like chase someone down to the I I used it in the dungeon and I instantly pulled a pack and got to my group killed
So you're a griefer well you're literally griefing the whole group and you know oh my I've been playing with people that are
In line and a lot of these people seem kind of like noobs. I don't want to say too much about that
But I am spam wiping in the dungeons
I couldn't be people struggling with talents putting spells on bars. Wait, wait, wait, wait, you might be the common denominator here
And you've been all in all the groups and they're all failing. Well, maybe I'm pushing the limits of the dungeons
I'm doing more than one pack. I'm setting records. I mean, I haven't seen you clearly done
Well, actually, I saw a little bit if you try to clear a dungeon. We killed some bosses at least
Well, I saw a lot of wiping too. Yeah, so you guys can get into the dungeon running around death. I was playing with Tyler
What do you want me to do? He doesn't taunt. How was that? What like was he was rough?
It was very well saying the game is so easy and you can pick it up instantly
But even have taunt keybound he was clicking it from his spells. It was bad. Yeah, but we we pulled through
I just was a mage tank making up a whole new meta game
So it's major thing Bible when you're playing a Tyler it has to be Bible
Dude I was doing a couple a couple duels against soda at the max level I really made a character
I was clicking everything and smoked him like three times and he told me my class was overpowered
I was playing priest versus druid. He's sweating out. He had two gear sets talents
Oh, I can circles around the setup trying to see if there's anything else he can try to oh my gosh
Nothing helps him complete noob. I want to what do we make you guys warrior hunter rogue true and shaman
Yeah, what do you think?
You guys can vote. Yeah, we just want to see here. I want to see
Do we think warrior's still hard to level? What do we think is the hardest?
Maybe something different I feel like if never since are you playing shaman? Oh my god, that's the one class
Very anti-zar made us don't like made us don't like
Honestly the chat is gonna love you for that one
They always tell me to play shaman. I never want to play shaman. I was just thinking like I've never seen in place
You can be an elf shaman. Wait, so I don't understand the second theory. Do you have a first and last name now? Wow
Yeah, so you guys just missed the announcements because you were over here. Okay, so they just announced there is no more servers
There's no more servers instead. There's one big server. You have a first name and a last name so you can
Okay, so they're in Shard of Family and have the same last name.
Well, the marriage is I don't think exist as far as I know and wow.
So they're removing servers from the new game.
There's a rule set, so you choose PvP, PvE, role playing, and hardcore.
So we log on to the RP realm together and then it'll be fun, it'll be a good time.
Wait, that's really cool, I like that.
Does that mean we're going to see a lot more people in the game?
A lot of people, everywhere should be packed.
But then they're trying to do this like tech where you're gonna see and run into the same kind of like people
So we'll see how it works out. It sounds like it could be cool. So and the double name is so we can actually have our names
Yes, it looks a little weird in game, but I'm like maybe there's got to be some kind of
some name tech I mean
Yes, are you okay? Yeah, we could do that like is that like okay?
Cuz now I'll like say someone used to names are you but sorry you peekaboo is not taken. Okay. Yeah, I guess well
We'll take that name then that's fine. Yeah, I think good name for us
us. Um, could we go, I don't know, slip back, ball, ponytail? What are you guys thinking
here? I mean, I've actually looked at the sky war race. I logged in just trying to see
the starting zone. I saw the class or difference between alliance and horde. Like they can't
be the same classes, which is a little weird. Yeah. I wanted to be a horde sky born over
on alliance. Can't, er, on horde can't do it. Only on alliance. So kind of troll. We
We have eyebrows, ears, eye color here, color here, style.
What did you just say?
A Horde Skyborne on Alliance?
What?
No, so you can, on Horde, you can't play a Skyborne mage.
Only on Alliance.
Really?
So it's different on Alliance Horde, yeah.
Interesting.
Yeah.
Why would they do that?
I don't know.
It has to be something with the dance floor.
You didn't talk to me about you?
Oh, wow.
There's always.
Can you change the hair color?
I feel like there's too much.
Maybe like a dark blue.
How's that?
There's not enough blue.
Okay, we need more blue I think that's good. Yeah, let's go with that
What about that? Oh, there's one shot at you right? Blue everything. Okay, and then what about the feather color?
Oh, wow, there's a whole other one
Oh, yeah
Prefer the the top option that yeah, I'll do the bottom one then are we good with that guys?
Yeah, I mean I get okay
And then oh face tattoo. We'll do no tattoos. They're going in a style. Are they? Okay
Wait, maybe the body tattoo might be in style graphics or new
Why are you wondering? Well because I there might be a bug actually where the models aren't actually boy. I didn't like tattoos wait
What is HD on that look like?
Okay, yeah, that's a little more the more czar style. It's
I think I think there's only one. Oh, it's only new. Okay, body tattoo color. We can go with the
what kind of like the same that color is this supposed to be like this little clothing on the
bug on the alpha. I mean it's supposed to be an elf like in the lore and everything. This is kind
of like, you know, they're smaller. Can you can you tell me about the lore so I understand what
Yeah, so the Skyborne, this is the new race that was implemented and you might ask where do they come from?
Yeah, that's a good question
They come from the sky and back in the days of Azeroth before we went up to the portal and everything into the the outer world in
The skies with the griffins the the Skyborne as I believe were
They are basically hidden with the griffins and basically they've come back now
It's the elementals
The air elementals. No, no, no, no. Yeah, I think
It was in the cinematic.
Air elementals, yeah, search is right.
That was a wisp.
The wisp went back in time.
The wisp has no idea what he's talking about.
The wisp with the griffin.
No idea.
And then the griffin did them how to fly?
Who taught them how to fly?
They came from the sky.
That's where they were born.
So they just came from the sky.
Yes, they're magical creatures.
OK.
Getting back to what matters here.
On the body tattoos, do we want none, Zephyr or Wayfinder?
I think the Wayfinder.
I like Wayfinder, too.
Okay, and then white or blue. Oh, we gotta go blue. Blue. Okay. So are you peekaboo? This is the main right here.
Okay, what are we looking at? All right, let's play the game. We'll play the game here.
So this is the lore that you were talking about. A hidden upon their flying sanctuary of Cephasar.
Let's see. Let's see. Well, they're on the ground now. So they're no longer, they're from the sky, but now they're on the ground by magical city elves, sir.
I think we're gonna see some briefings in a second here.
There's no game audio. Let me see if I can fix that in just a second here.
Oh, that's, maybe there's no game audio in games.
Wait, just ask the, ask the guy behind me.
There's no way that's on it.
Wait, click that again. Click the, wait, maybe we need to add the game capture source.
No, wait.
Yeah, no, they did the same thing over there.
over there and then they fix it for me so I'm going to...
Oh, okay.
There's still a game on this one.
Just like what was over there.
Not a huge deal if we can't fix it,
but I think it might be the same as you.
All right guys, we're having John Blizzard fix it
on the audio so we have some people on it.
Okay, so we have...
So are you people here?
Oh, guys, we're on a slight AWC hiatus.
We're supposed to be doing MDI right now.
The scheduling got kind of mixed up.
And then we're going to rip WoW forever during the MDI.
So we're missing one series right now.
But we will get back to the AWC, guys.
Don't worry.
Right now, we're on the WoW forever, right?
OK.
Because they're supposed to be doing MDI.
And obviously, while PPCR is here,
those aren't more PV now.
Oh, you got to restart the game.
Okay, we're going to restart the game because we have to re-maintain, so are you peeking through?
Oh no!
I honestly, I wasn't even sure.
Are we sure we're going to commit to that character?
I want to commit forever!
Like, that character was, ah, I mean, well, we already lost it.
We can fresh start right now.
Shaman, really?
I do think we should spend some time checking out Shaman.
I actually would really like to see the talent sheet be right.
Exactly Shaman.
If we can look, yeah, Shaman's are actually like one of the easiest, most OP classes in the game.
Shaman was doing more damage than me.
I knew it was something was wrong.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was being told Guzzi was doing hundreds of DPS as well.
What did you own to me?
I'm a fire mage over here.
I'm hitting one button.
My DPS is lower than Tyler once, which is what I'm saying.
Did you have the right talents?
Or were you doing the rotation wrong?
My rotation dialed, talents were locked in, yeah.
Enough to be last place on the meters behind Tyler one
taking?
It was a balancing issue, like I told you.
OK, yeah, maybe they have it.
Yeah, I mean, this is the first test version of the game,
right?
Tell us what server you were on, too.
Yeah, I needed to change everything.
We could also just do like no audio if it's kind of troll.
We're getting the audio looked at right now guys. The same audio thing on the other computer.
The two PC setups are insane to try to figure out.
Yeah, I mean guys this is the most advanced streaming tech. I've never seen any streaming use any of this stuff.
This is so confusing to have the experts looking up guys all over. We're doing it again right now.
watching YouTube videos and how to fix this.
I'm going to take a picture of our whole setup
and put it in Discord right now.
Yeah, show like this is, we're using multiple software
that is unheard of tech.
I can't think of a couch out here.
That's actually so funny.
The couch is nice too.
The couch does blend in.
I'm going to put it in the general Discord chat
if you guys in Discord.
This is what we're looking at.
And it's in there.
That's what we're looking at right now.
It's like there's a lot of different stuff going on.
Okay
These guys are wearing the shortest shorts known to man. That's not true. Are you wearing the same shorts as me?
Lulu lemon
Wait, I'm on a yours. I'm here to know I'm wearing gray. Okay. No, I'm okay. Okay. I'll completely different
Yeah, cuz you're not Lulu lemon ones. Are they cuz we walked out of the hotel together
You're wearing the gray shirt in black and he's wearing gray shorts in a black shirt. You guys were like
Yeah, that is a little I mean the lighting actually it does look like we have the exact same clothes on
Why would you wear it?
That is a little weird.
Oh, you guys were in pants.
Was that on purpose?
I was about to flame pants wears, but no, never mind.
No pants are cool too.
Well, it's pretty cold in the conventions.
I don't agree.
I am freezing.
I'm getting goosebumps.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
I'm goose-ed up.
Pants are a safe idea.
Should we just do no audio?
Guys, is it okay if there's potentially no game audio?
They're trying to fix the audio still, but...
We got a lot of...
As long as you guys are talking, it probably would be fine.
Oh, they can see the screen now.
You know so
Oh, they're seeing that oh wait. Oh, you're right. We're saying that they're seeing that we're seeing yeah every friend here
Have you hit up a snacks Ramas? I actually have not it turns out there is no snacks there
They got a chance of
What are you doing? You gotta take a couple minutes to check it out. What do you mean, what am I doing? I'm on the couch with my friends.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Something happened behind us. Wait, streamer zone, guys, quick AWC update. We will watch more of that soon.
3-0 Schumer's zone. MDI is gonna happen next. So we thought we were gonna play during MDI because
I mean, MDI is cool too. Yeah, MDI is awesome. MDI is definitely cool. Almost as cool as the main arena tournament, but you know
We're still here supported
Honestly, we can we can play with that audio. It's totally fine
Yeah, sure. Okay, we're gonna try one more thing. I think no audio is completely fine
Did you have no audio on the fire mage is that effective DPS potentially or no?
I did have audio. Maybe it makes you less damage with audio. Yeah, okay. A little less audio stimulation could be good. Yep
Daggers no longer required to mutilate guys. I know some of you think you know a lot about wow forever
I actually logged on the game myself and tested it you do need daggers for mutilate
You can't play I don't know who started that meme or that rumor, but that is not true
Everyone in the chat is telling me that there's different settings. I go and find them and they're not there
And they're there at home. They played it. I guess I don't know. There's already people
Experts of the game and it's like we've played it before them
Yeah, I don't know
You're on the phone guys. I'm reading my chat on the phone. I'm not tech. I'm
Guys, should I just stop reading the chat?
Texting people
What it seems you're streaming?
I'm normally never on my phone though guys. I'm reading what you're saying on here. Oh, you're reading the chat
Yeah, you're not really on your phone. I'll say this Zara is not reading a single message from chat. He's making it all up
Yeah, he literally cannot see a single thing
I can see the chat like someone probably come
For the sub I appreciate that. I can't see anything guys. I've seen the chat. I can see the chat
I'll pull his arm here guys. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, I agree. I agree. I do like the skyboard race. Yeah
Color the shaman. I mean it
Okay, okay, so we're gonna play here sick
I'll just keep reading the chat. What do you guys think a while forever so far?
Honestly, man, it's been a blast the one thing that I think they need to work on is that UI
Who is saying that what do you mean? Who is saying that look at no one is saying that I'm reading the chat over here, bro
Guys how many people right now are gonna play wow forever right put a one-inch out right now
If you plan on playing this the second comes out
I am playing this the second it comes out forever and ever yeah
I think I want the UI to be more classical. I'm gonna download an add-on that makes it look like I'm playing
I heard you saying that but who's gonna make the add-on and is that even I'm gonna make the add-on if no one else does
Wow, you know how to what experience code. I'm gonna code it up
Yeah, I'm gonna code up an add-on myself if no one else does but I'm sure someone else will
start working on it right now, I'm sure.
Yeah.
I could use Python or something to try to cook something up.
I'll use VMAX.
Python to make a wow-out.
I'll VMAX and Python.
I'll code it up, and we can test it.
Wow-outons are in Lua.
And if it works, we'll get the people who
are following the stream owner.
No, so don't.
No, Python makes the code, and then you take the code,
and you run it through the compiler,
and then you've posted to GitHub.
All right.
Yeah.
If you get working, let me know.
Once I get it worked up, I'll send you the GitHub link.
Thank you.
Thank you, man.
That'll work.
Should we go back on Zaryfika?
Whoa, wait.
Did you pick Dungeon Experience?
Oh.
You know how I do that?
Because you could play your class.
Wait, do we want a Dungeon Experience,
or do we want a level from 1?
I thought we were going to level from 1.
I was just considering the level 1.
Let's check the level 1.
You can press what?
Was it Control Alt T to turn off the time?
You can play as long as you want.
They can't kick you off?
Or was that not true?
Control to you control to yeah, cuz I don't know if that's for certain, but it's that's apparently soda popping
You know him popping he leaked it
Guys is it end of the world if we don't have
For a little bit is it okay?
We're gonna try one more thing since we're not even started yet, okay?
I think I think if they can't fix it then we just send no audio because yeah
I mean who cares about game you don't need audio to enjoy the game, right? Yeah
That's true, but the sounds are satisfying sick. I played a hundred for them. I like the hunter bow. Is it working now?
Why does it seem to like a double date, but one couple's having a good time?
Guys, we're all friends here. We're we're watching a TV. We're watching it. Yeah, we're playing well forever
No, they're saying
So it's so the Carl
What? They can hear it? They can hear it? They can hear it sounds?
Game sound works, yeah.
Is it a good volume pitch?
Okay, we have to go starting experience on it.
We're going female? Okay.
Skyboy is always sky born. I'm saying regardless of the elf whether it's a nine-off a blood elf a sky born a high elf
Whatever it has to be female
I like the male dude male sky born Shaman. I thought I've never been out the male elf life
I'm always got female elf always. I never went Elf normal. I was a dead kind of guy. Oh
You can be wrote to is this nice?
Okay, I guess
go in what was it play find your blue blue on blue everything all blue and then
we want only look at the blue eyes and then ponytail or double pigtail I do
like for hair style I like the phone yeah that's probably close enough looks
a little different though I don't know what
danger
she doesn't have her earrings
there she has the hoops
that's what I said
sorry you
peek-a-boo
I actually really like that name
the double name is something
we're gonna come up with some good names I think
I can't think of it now but there's
a band of high open
exiles
you can fake a title
I put you title where?
I can put it in my actual trailer for Gladiator title, I can put it on my main timeline.
You can tell me whatever title you want, so the first name is going to be your title and the second name is going to be your title.
All you have to do is give it to me and I'll be the one to mark you in the trailer.
Or I'll send it to everyone here on the couch that's in Gladiator.
The element of that name, you don't have to say it.
You can't take it from me.
Yeah, I'm glad you're other recently.
No, we've all got it.
You can watch it now.
It's probably my first time in my generation.
I don't know.
What are we talking about?
I'm more stressed than you are, James.
I must keep you out of my head.
I know you can watch it.
Are we turning this off?
Okay.
I think it just starts. That's pretty good.
We went out to dinner last night.
At dinner last night, a girl comes up.
She says she's Diamond 4 in League of Legends.
As a Caitlyn main, and Tsar's like,
What it was
No diamond for incredible it's just cuz ours bragging about his gold for
Alright, so here we go
Action bars, let's get all the action bars on dude. It's weird when you log in and this
Locked in.
Is that straight default?
No, I don't like straight.
Is it straight for the A and D?
I was in A and D.
Oh, wait, no, this is good.
This is good.
No, the keyboard turn is good.
This is one of the smoothest ways to play the game.
Yeah, I always straight for Q and E.
Those are sapping step.
What have you ever keyboarded?
All the time.
Well, it's weird strafing only
because it's hard to turn around.
I mean, I do.
They always run inside there.
The keyboard turn your mouse.
That explains a lot.
Well, it's, trust me.
I need to talk.
got very smooth boop in here I mean this is
camera
you guys backpedal? Yes 100% you got a backpedal
backpedal is very important to have. Did I learn from retail and
maybe he's like don't backpedal? No it's not true.
There's times too where you get random move speed in dungeons you can fall off
and you're trying to walk slow because walking is also tough too.
I'm definitely going to get like a casket on those cars.
Why is your gameplay spot on the bottom left? Mine was on the top left.
I mean I could fix it for you man.
Oh so there's a classic preset but it doesn't have the classic skin.
Yeah so I think the classic skin, I mean in my case you guys, I mean you play on this wall.
You probably like how this looks.
Or do you like the classic one?
I definitely enjoyed more of the original animations, I would say.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I think a lot of the animations look good.
It's just like this Uniframe and then the nameplates.
Oh, I see what you mean, just like the UI.
The UI, yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm sure they could fix that quickly, right?
That's it.
That's it.
Okay, a little too loud.
The game is way too loud.
Go into audio on the system.
Okay, I'm going to just put those on, and then the game is too loud.
Yeah, just turn it down like, I don't know, 20% maybe?
Yeah.
Maybe more than that.
can throw over like a twitch prime if it's good and then if it's not good just
let me know and I can fix it. Oh dude everyone was see I told you guys not
reading chat everyone's just spamming it. No I'm saying it right here. It's a classic UI toggle is that true?
No. Well there's a graphical toggle. Absolute trolls. Absolute trolls in the chat.
Yeah. Wait someone else is leveling around you. I don't think we can see the
challenge tool. This guy. The challenge tool. But I need to change his name. What's his name?
Dude every single person's name now is some kind unless that's just a BlizzCon player
I thought there were bots at first.
What if it is a bot though?
No, that's what I was saying.
How are you?
They're not bots.
They're real people.
Are you sure?
Yes, you can see them play.
They're waiting in line.
So they're really sitting there right now.
So I was playing with someone at the demo computers.
Well, Zara's probably overstimulating the guys.
He's just trying to log in and hit some buttons.
I was just asking him how he was.
You're speaking to him in Darnation.
I don't think he understands that.
He does.
Oh, I know something.
He does understand that.
Yeah, I was just asking him how he is.
Well, love.
Great, great horses to you.
I don't know if that's the same language.
Skyward speaking the same as the other ones.
I thought that was his name.
Yeah, that sounds a little iffy.
I don't know.
But that's what Classic's all about.
Going up to someone and just saying hi.
No, that's what I love about Classic.
Everyone loves to chat on Classic on retail.
Except for that guy though.
They get upset with you.
Yeah, that guy.
If you say hi on Retail, they get offended.
He just logged in.
He might have not seen the message.
Hey, he's on a time crunch.
You should have told him.
You should say, hey man,
we'll play longer, do this.
But you didn't.
Okay, maybe I'll try to find him again sometime.
time. You're not using auto. I could give him like my discord or something. Yo, if you ever want to
game up another time, I actually play. Wait, someone's starting a guild? Goove true, classic
loud guild. Can I please get an invite? Wait, he must have, how are they starting a guild?
He's starting a PvP guild, but you can only play for 10 minutes. Oh, dude, his name is
Hearthburn like heartburn guys probably in his 40s
What is wrong with being in your 40s?
Yo, I know we
Get to this keyboard is waiting for my art into each other
Today and maybe you might have
I have missed my message, but I wanted to potentially...
I think your whispers alone are taking away all of our time.
I think we've lost all of our time.
No, I'm just messaging this guy real quick.
It'll take one second.
I want to potentially connect for the future if you want to make a party or a group for...
Dude, he's not going to read all this.
You're never going to see this person again.
What are you saying?
Just for some of the harder...
He probably thinks you're asking...
You're probably going to report you to the admin.
Say, hey, sometimes harassing people here.
very much for uh gaming up and questing and testing oh dude a character
limit and questing and testing at the blizzcon this guy might report you i feel
like okay cool all right i'll just see what he says here in a sec join the
discord and i'll all perm you up oh okay
okay that's how you make friends so you got a message people and kind of hang
out when you I was doing the dungeons I'm playing with the people on the floor I
was asking if they wanted to hang out afterwards not a single person took me
up on that offer though we kept wiping in the group too so it wasn't like a
great run but I for what I talked to you wanted to hang out after every side
that guy so I highly doubt that considering no one's responded to you
but okay he hasn't responded yet he's still kind of waiting to respond I'm
sure he's typing right now actually you might just be busy playing the game
Oh, is that... Wait, is that a rare bomb? On the right.
The red one, right there. Is that there?
No, no, it's just like a...
Oh, wait, I've never ran this far in the starting zone to see a red bomb.
I'm level 2, and you've never got this far?
What are you doing?
I was on time!
That's why. Who has the highest level in the starting zone here?
Let's get the highest possible out of anyone in the blue spot.
Wait, because we have the time thing.
The control of T, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, and then this thing...
Oh, this is what I want to show you, bro, like, you can, like, jump and glide.
Can you see that?
Oh, wait, they wait at you.
Wait, someone's waiting.
They wait at you.
Oh, whoa, that's a hard one.
That's a hard one.
Did you join?
Uh, I don't have Discord on this computer.
That's a big dude.
He's gonna say your phone, man.
What do you mean, you won't need a second?
Just give me your number.
Don't you have phones?
Phone?
What?
I heard you.
What if you tell this guy, hey, come meet me here, and he actually comes here in person,
and you get his discord.
No discord on phone is a deal breaker.
I need to get in touch with you 24-7.
Okay.
Maybe don't tell this guy to pull up here next to the stage.
Yeah.
We might just do just act like you didn't even see it.
Maybe just kind of...
Um, sec.
I think we just...
Yeah.
see it maybe just kind of um sec I think we just yeah just help with something
just say go this way I'm just gonna go in this way and this is where layering
could come in handy can anyone send me a layer invite any any different layer
would be ideal right now there's an active right now
I hope so.
A lot of people have roleplay names.
Maybe we need to tap into that.
Yeah.
That's what I was telling you, you can start a family.
Guys, these aren't bots in the game.
Guys, if you think they're bots, they're not bots in the game.
These are real people with real jobs.
Okay.
Let's see what's going on.
Is there anything you want me to check out on the shaman?
I mean, it looks like you're hitting lightning bolt.
Yeah, healing way we need to get higher levels
I mean I can get on the level 38 one or we can just keep grinding this guy out to grind it out grind it out
All right, no try a bow for a bit. Okay. All right. I haven't seen anyone do the quest either
Are we questing are we getting our mats we can quest?
Oh, so this is sky side a temperature of power from converging of elements in her seed is blessing increase your movement and
Mount speed. Oh, we need that right now. Whoo. There we go. I'm zoom in now 30 seconds speed buff
Wait, why does the... Wait, I thought the Skyborne gets that ability that Regen's health and mana.
That's what it is for Mage? I guess it's different for everything.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, it's just what I just read. It's movement speed.
Wow, so do Roast it, Regen?
Yeah. But that is a little OP.
Someone said it's Skyborne also male. Yeah, most people play female Skyborne for some reason.
Yeah, the meta is kind of female right now, but...
Oh, there we go.
That's what he looks like.
Wow, his hair looks kind of like Bob.
He's a little bit longer.
No.
Just a little bit longer.
He's on you, Mike.
All right.
Let's turn this question over here.
I'll put the attorney going on behind us.
USA is winning, it sounds like.
As for this, here we go.
Beware.
I
You know what if there's a way we get any rear drops try to sell them start cornered the market
New year progress your transfer over
Dude, what if there was a way?
Get a record leveling session into transferred alive
You imagine all the streamers instantly like 60 no way. Oh
Oh, food breaks.
If you want any food.
Food.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, Snacks Rabbis line is busy.
Crazy.
I think I'm going to keep playing for now, but if anyone wants to get food.
I'm going to get some orange chicken.
Nice.
Okay.
Okay.
It's going to be delivered.
It's going to be great.
Sounds good.
Okay.
Wait, it looks like you've done this quest before.
Your speed run of this.
I literally did the first two and that was as far as I got my time.
No, I first time actually, I just read really fast.
Huh.
Has this guy done this before?
No, I just read really quick. Dude, check this out.
Dude, that actually will save a ton of time, I think.
Yeah.
Certain areas.
Yeah.
Like that. Boom.
Oh, I think Skyside is unkickable.
Maybe.
Oh, he has a Rachel cast.
Huh, that's weird.
Yo, I just dug up level 3.
Level 3 grabs.
Yo, level 2 by the way.
Oh, here we go. Give us some abilities.
Okay, what do we got? Rock, Biter.
Okay, we'll put that on.
Yeah, we can start slapping with that.
Looks like the level progression of the skills are kind of similar to how classic is.
Uh, yeah. I mean, I think the whole game feels like classic.
Like it's the leveling, like the vibe, the dungeons, like everything, except the UI.
The UI is a little different, I can't tell how fast the questing is, the dungeons do feel on a similar pace of classic though, and I've never completed the dungeon, I don't know if you've completed it, but I've failed with literally five different groups multiple times.
But I got to about the same part where I was failing, so I can't tell if that's the general skill level, what was going on, or if we actually need better strategies here.
I think all of you above, you need more skill and better strategies.
Cool.
Yeah.
Jail's here.
My goodness.
Jesus.
I got to space the couch here a little bit.
OK.
Take over for a second.
We can switch off.
Do you want me to level for you?
I mean, this is not a couch sharing either,
if that's what this looks like.
This is a demo.
I could give you written approval
to log into my account.
We could ask Blizzard, but we shouldn't be.
Imagine.
Yeah, we could reset live.
I mean, you play for a minute.
You play for a minute.
What are these keybinds?
Oh, wow.
I can barely see the screen here.
Yeah, I've locked in and tiled.
I got everything set up for you.
I'm feeling that in my lower back.
I might need to step up.
Yeah, here we go.
OK.
This is my first time playing Shaman.
Let's see, so what is this zone?
So this is the new wave and all around the map.
That's a thing no one knows.
We're from the sky.
Wait, they don't show you on the map?
They don't show you on the map, yeah.
Either that or you're so high or so low
that maps don't even show anything.
Wait, is that a bug or are we actually
somewhere else in the game.
I think they haven't added the thing on the map yet, bro.
Oh, yeah.
I thought it was some secret thing, guys.
You guys know Zara.
Zara's on the inside.
I mean, you're kind of playing all wrong right now, but.
Oh, you're telling me I'm playing the game incorrectly?
No, I'm not going back to you.
I'm just getting on the game, and you're telling me
I'm doing it wrong.
No, you can play however you want.
What is this?
You can play however you want to play,
but I'm just saying like you're.
OK, well, let me show you how I like to play.
So let's see we've got rock rider, which is 30 37 melee attack power is insane at level three. That's that's massively high
I'm not even sure if that's accurate. Okay. Yeah, 67 attack. You're getting attacked right now. 67. Oh
Okay, let's see. So we have melee auto attacks. Did you get our train? Man, this is tough to watch
Um, we'll do healing wave rock rider lightning bolt
Okay, you're still you're still getting on right now. I'm testing out the auto attack build. So yeah, also
I'm leveled up our base skill. You didn't even level this
Okay, nice. Did he even sell with the vendor?
Inventory. I thought you were going to sell it with the vendor.
No authenticating from backspace?
Dude, just go and sell it with the vendor, man. Take care of it.
Let's equip our new gear. Shield is big. Bracers are big.
Belth is also big.
I was going for a nudist run. Now you're just ruining the whole thing.
And one of the first items you get in this quest is a ring, which you also didn't use, which is...
I'm doing challenge mode, man. No rings, no shields.
Deep Dents and Scratches bar the gulf surface of the intricate Calthorii patterns.
Faded but legible spirit on the inside of the band reads with love always
That's a tough read right there. I put it on put it on. I got it. Okay, sick man. Tab is my target. Oh
He's having a target. What is this guy grievous? He's lagging out. I was lagging. Oh
Magic if DC don't you run that's brutal. It's a restart from level one problem. He's good
Wait, I like these bobs little tornadoes. This is new kind of Bob
These ones are kind of tough so careful especially if you start in the dungeon.
Oh my god, I literally moved. Wow, you moved really fast on Caster.
Wow, that was very loud.
I was gonna jerk up.
I mean guys, I killed the bomb. It was a good move, but wasn't that good?
He did the whole crowd cheering for that?
I mean, oh, I mean, it's kind of weird timing though.
Absolutely not. They were not cheering for you.
It was kind of weird timing. I don't know.
It's like, I mean, I said no hit run, but...
But no, no, I think there might be something else on the stage right now.
Anything else?
Anything else?
Well, check whispers.
I saw the clip.
Oh, this is actually sorry.
How is he seeing clips?
You saw the clip.
You're kidding me?
Wait, this guy must be chronically online because he's on his phone on Discord trying
to recruit for other people and then like clips, probably Twitter.
Well, he's running into the game and you're shutting him down.
You don't want to be a part of his Discord.
No, I am going to join and I said one second.
I'm still trying to figure out how to do that.
I'll put these legs too.
I'm doing a no auto loot run.
I saw there's no AOE loot.
Is that good?
Yeah, I like no AOE loot.
I think just kind of looting manually is fine.
I kind of like the no auto loot,
but a lot of people like auto loot.
But you got kind of earned a couple clicks, right?
I mean, I would have minded auto loot for like.
You have auto loot on.
You already put it on.
The auto loot spot AOE loot is different.
Even auto loot.
I like to click the loot.
What I was thinking is maybe like AOE loot
for some of the more like top prestigious players in the game and then like everyone else kind of
loose manually, slower. You know what I mean? Like I don't know, just throw out ideas. Maybe some
will stick, who knows. Shalvin feels good. The casting does feel a little quick compared to classic,
but I almost don't mind it. It feels like I am moving through balls and my resources still
do deplete. Can I die though? How much damage should I take? Yeah, I feel like they don't hit
Quite as hard as normal classic, but I was talking in the chat and they were saying no
This is there like a level 2 mob isn't ever gonna kill you
But I feel like I remember like taking more damage on classic. I think so in the in the dungeons though
You can die instantly to anything. It's like the second you pull more than you can handle you in get one shot
It's just crazy. Yeah
Let's do leather here. I think people in the chat are saying this is normal
This is good. Wait. Oh when you when you guys played wow forever you guys kind of had the same experience
Is that what's going on?
Maybe we're just going to start it down.
That might be why.
Okay.
Okay.
Cool.
I can see.
I guess that makes sense then.
Oh, I can fit there too.
That was actually a good combo.
I think three to four lightning bolts per mob into one or two autos is probably the most
optimal way to go.
I would say three.
Definitely three.
You don't want to do them yourself.
Two, three, four.
No, no, no, no.
Perfect.
One auto would have been better.
Absolutely perfect.
This is tough. So I'll do this. I'll do one. Now you're gonna move yourself. Look
Three per just I said into one auto. Yep
Yeah, gameplay's looking up now I
Don't want to waste any this goal like yeah, you could go to the vendor if you want or you can just wait for goals
It's not exactly worth the time loss, but I'll probably swap out
You're sitting there. Okay. I'm gonna hold off on the tough jerky. I'll go with this is actually worth more
Oh, I don't know if that's in-game setting, but it tells you how much things vendor for that's nice
They don't do that before right?
Yeah, that's actually nice. Yeah, I'm not an add-on user myself most of the time so
You're just talking about how the first thing you're gonna do is install an add-on to change the game
No, I don't like too many add-ons actually play pretty much no add-ons most of the time
But uh, we gotta find a way back to a vendor here. This is just getting
Wow, linen cloth is worth more than any item and it stacks up. Yeah
Wait, so we should be probably live in cloth over anything easily
I'm pretty sure no one's got at least a silver on here either I
Actually wonder what the highest yo yo guys in the chat. What's the highest level?
You've seen anyone actually level two because we're level three right now
We might go for a world first level five little six
I actually think we're one of the higher levels like no one's in the zone. Okay, check it
So just get over take over
No, we just make them numbers
We asked what level you got on Wow Forever in the starting zone.
I mean, that's a good kill, right?
Wait, so I have two bobs on me, and I'm definitely taking more damage.
Okay, looks good.
One more cast.
I don't know, it's a big mistake.
I don't like how much mana you're using, but...
So I'm okay to balls. It does get sketchy
So I might be a little overpowered to you don't actually know to be tanker than normal. How much I go for it?
61 it great though. That's almost an entire health bar. All right. Yeah, that's wild. Let's see. Let's do this. I
Clusters
Very very nice. Oh copper green here. We have no professions though. You didn't get the mining
Well, you kind of skip me to the zone. I would have professions by now
I usually pick up props right like right when you took over like level three ish do we know if professions are gonna be prime on here
Yeah, dude. There's a new profession to I think you miss there's called camping
I think and you like a campfire and you can get buffs and you bring out your homies over and you sit at the campfire
And you just talk and chat and you kind of like
Kind of sit down and like get food box and you can get like blacksmithing buffs all this different kind of stuff
So how would you level camp camping is that like is there?
How does that even work?
You get a flint, and you get a tinder.
You've never leveled like cooking or anything.
Well, cooking's different than camping.
I mean, because what does that mean?
You would make a campfire kind of like that.
And it makes a fire with a flint and tinder
then everyone sits down.
And then the camp actually comes up from the fire.
And how did you hear about that?
Because I've never heard anything about that new profession.
Was that a deep dive, or was that some of the secret info
you got when you were?
I don't know what you're talking about.
I've never heard of that.
Let's suppose that what we do know what we're talking about is that the deep dive just happened.
I was listening to it while you were goofing over.
Okay, you were listening to the deep dive.
Goofing around over here on the couch.
Okay, I see.
Okay, if that's what you're saying.
Sure.
Secret intel.
Unbelievable.
These streamers.
The targeting feels better on here.
Something happened on retail recently where it's really hard, like when you click something,
it doesn't work, but it does work on here.
That is instantly noticeable.
Yeah.
I don't know why you're killing these mobs, because you actually don't need to kill them
more but well technically when you're playing these older versions of the game
well technically the new version you want to kill mom's as you go right all
XP matters okay yeah I mean you I don't want to backseat anything we could have
left a long time ago I am the highest level here and I'm actually gathered
I'm gathered the windslows okay I mean we could probably do yeah you got two on
you one more cast here okay can't get mad back this is just move speed mountain
Speed, speed, and then walking on air.
Look at the fleet of you right now.
There we go.
OK, I got one more.
You want to switch back off?
I mean, you can keep doing your thing.
Keep sending.
Wait, wait, lights, everybody, what is that?
So read your ship.
Oh, crap.
Got six.
That's going to pull them over.
Level four.
They have the lights on for a suit.
Woo!
Yes, sir, level four.
That's a sub, baby.
Yes.
Okay, man this gather quest is a rough one. I don't want to say this is kind of I read the wrongs. What why would you put us here?
Look where you are you ran over there. You literally
You're not even the question
Wait here we go. No, no, we have to use our ability right here
So we go up here here is elemental convergence
What do you think about all of the quests being in the game now like you don't need questy
It's just kind of like questy built in I mean honestly, I think it's good right we all use quest helpers
Who's actually questing without some kind of quest helper at this point? I mean, I actually quality life thing
I mean, I actually, I don't want to flex or anything, but I did a whole 1 to 60 warlock run recently without questing.
I read every single quest, got into the lore, did dive into all of it.
After you used a quest helper for about how many years now? 5, 6 years in a row that you decided to do without it?
That's not what we're talking about.
I mean, that's very impressive.
They've been able to repeat what you've done with the quest helper.
Have you ever done it? Have you ever done it?
I hit 60 on Ultra.
Yeah, I don't know.
Actually, first try.
All I'm saying is I've done it and it's different.
Alright, I mean, he'll have a 60, but no quest, he'll have no help at all.
Not on Ultra though.
Ultra though.
What's up guys?
Yeah, so we're trying to make it work, trying to do our thing, just keep sending it.
Do we know the most optimal quest strategy here?
Like should I have turned in and then try to do things because I'm kind of just going
all at once for the max dopamine here on the turn in.
I kind of like the strategy about the max dopamine.
Sometimes like when I was playing back in like 2004, 2005, probably way before you started
actually.
2004, was the game actually played before?
Yeah, November 2004.
You'd only know if you have to play back then, but since you did and I can tell you about
it, yeah, it's way harder, way different, way slower.
The computer is back then, the internet, everything is way different, but yeah, I usually like
to do that too, back in the day.
I've got these guys.
Should I let them get the tag?
All good?
I wasn't going to get the tag anyways.
I was not going to get the tag anyways.
They can wait their turn.
It's a quick respawn timer.
good. It's a little sensitive. It's a little different than I'm used to. You see a bit more
actuation pressure. Yeah, that's why I was like getting capped out on League 2 because my keyboard
at home is also like kind of messed up. Sometimes it's double tap so I don't want it to and this
and that. That does happen. Yeah, that's mainly why I'm only gold still. And gold is very good.
Still very very good. That's what everyone's telling me but I think they're just kind of like low key
making fun of me. You were the highest rated player in League of Legends that I've ever
met until I actually met another league player in real life. So that's that was sick and
I was like I ran into a couple people play League and they're all higher than gold but
that is just an anomaly right because we are in a gaming convention right so I would
I mean, it's very impressive.
Whoa.
Okay, we got new options.
Ronnie or Sarah.
Dude, have you seen the Druid form with Skyborne?
It's actually adorable.
Okay, these guys in chat are saying system interface simplified interface.
Wait, what is that?
It sounded like a new setting or something.
What are we making things up?
I think so, but in case...
That's real interface interface.
If that's real, we're going to mob that guy, Interface.
Wait, System Interface, and Simplified Interf.
Please be real, please be real.
That's guaranteed not real.
The chatters are just making stuff up.
How could they, what, are they going to push a live patch
to the demo?
What are you guys talking about?
System Interface, Simplified Interface.
We have to re-log?
We can't re-log.
Search it, search it.
Go Simplified.
Simplified nature.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Is that it?
Is that it?
What are you guys talking about?
I can try that.
Wait a second, I just checked all of them.
The other interface.
What do you mean other interface?
Is it under graphics or something?
I think they're trolling.
That's what I, accessibility interface.
Oh, this one, this one, maybe?
Oh, oh, oh, no, no, no.
I would not mind making the text a little bit larger.
Okay, sure.
I mean, yeah, that's fine.
Oh, wow, you can change the fact.
Oh, wow, dark, dark mode in game.
Yeah, I would try it out.
I'll actually throw that on.
Wait, wait, check the interface one more time.
We'll do interface.
I mean, maybe we got to reload it.
Let's see what's going on.
Interface, guys.
You set very bottom?
I'm seeing just coordinates.
Yeah.
It's in edit mode.
I guarantee these guys are trolling,
because all day yesterday, you're
telling me the same thing.
I looked for, like, ever.
And it's just not there.
Well, the edit mode does have a lot of options.
It could be somewhere here.
Maybe it's in advanced, advanced, bottom.
People saying reload. Oh yeah, reload your UI. That'll make it classic.
Wait.
Yeah, he's needing your...
Send a dual.
Should I kill him right now?
Kill him. Kill him. Yeah.
I can't auto-run. I don't know how to...
I can't take it.
Jump and then shift to. Jump, shift to.
Get back. Jump, shift to. You'll hop on him.
Jump.
There we go.
Send it. Send it. Send it.
How dare you take my...
Oh no!
Oh, dude, dude, dude!
Lock it, lock it, lock it, lock it, lock it.
I'm trying to, it's just probably auto-attacking, oh, okay, yeah, yeah, it clean.
He's, he's, this guy is completely new, completely new.
Oh.
Dude.
Yes!
Nice!
Yes!
So we're talking about...
Hey Lucky, I can't do anymore.
Slash the smack.
You're smacking him?
where you smack them because he took my item smacked him upside ahead oh okay um yeah see the
second i got out of where you put me the quests are instantly getting completed now you notice that
yeah you're actually doing stuff for once you want me to like take good job good job man
you did it well i mean people are glad i mean everyone else thinks we're doing a good job good
job man that was that was great good job killing that i just have no backspace man i you've got
to find us a vendor here. I think it's probably in the town. Usually vendors are in town.
I don't like your keybinds either. My keybinds are dialed. I don't like them.
Okay, so we're going to get two gather quests and then we got to try everything out. Yeah,
we vendor and then we swap. And then we level up level five and everything. It seems like I'm doing
all the work and all you're doing is running around grabbing the quest. Yeah, that's a little bit.
Yeah, that's fine. Fine by me. Why is everyone saying to reload? Reload the UI please. Guys, why?
what's your just do it just do it just do it just a lot of reloads make sure if
this griefs us it's on you guys
I guess how you actually it does feel a little smoother
no whoa whoa whoa wait what add-ons are on click ignore wait you guys are so
troll you wait is that stuck now it is ignore not work no we might have to I
I don't want to disable add-ons.
There's a way to get rid of it, but I can't remember.
Kyle.
So this is a command thing?
There's a command to get rid of it.
Do you know what it is?
No?
Is it a control alt-8?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
We're going for world first broad care.
What if we disable?
Is that bad?
OK.
I like this black text.
Control alt.
It was something.
He told me yesterday it was control alt something.
Yeah, you know what?
Yeah, let's try reload.
Okay
There we go, okay. Wow. Yeah, okay. Oh
It's like a check engine light. It comes right back
Yeah, okay
I'm gonna ask this guy real quick. I'm gonna try to use us coding tech troll. Okay. No
Control all cute no
We were on a record leveling run. We're the highest level of the whole convention.
We're the highest level in the entire world. We're the highest level in the entire world.
Who told us to reload in the first place?
That was the chat's fault. Don't worry about it.
Don't worry about it Kyle.
The one title we're reading the chat.
That was the chat.
Do not listen to these guys.
Complete trolls.
Let's get off the shaman.
We've got it.
Let's get off the shaman.
Shaman's not it.
Yeah, that's enough.
We've seen shaman.
We've seen what it is.
We want a duel.
We're undefeated.
I cannot believe this.
That is actually crazy.
That is on the chat for you guys telling us, oh my.
Should we level or try to do a dungeon then?
Ooh, what do you guys think?
Should we try to get some slightly higher level content?
I feel like this game ramps up a lot.
Like, we started 38 in the dungeons,
and it feels like some classes have so many spells.
Yeah.
Like, Priest had, I mean, every page had like 10 spells.
Even Rogue felt like they had a lot.
All right, guys, Twitch Prime took you on a dungeon.
Tier 1's first starting in Tiberian,
talks to you a quick tally, and then get into it.
Yeah, I guess Prime versus Sub, right?
I mean, I mean, are you guys single personally?
I'll just do a quick tally here.
I'm seeing Dungeons as Rhett, Dungeons as Log, Dungeons as Tide, half to hit a Dungeon.
Why does everyone like Warlog?
Is that class any good?
Wait, wait, yo, yo!
I should tank it on a Paladin!
Undead?
Undead Pali Tank!
Wait, I don't think I've seen anyone play Undead yet on Paladin.
Yo, I haven't played it. That would be kind of fun.
Main Tank Pog.
That's how you do it.
I guess that would make sense okay
I like the Mohawk
You're the Mohawk guy?
Yeah
That is gonna throw me off
I would like black hair too if possible
Yeah 10, yeah, I mean that's a good look
On the jaw feature too we could maybe do the
No, no, I
Kyle
That's the Mohawk work. No, it doesn't know Kyle saying the Mohawk doesn't work. It's bugged the Mohawk
So we can't log with the Mohawk
Okay, we're just giving out the sex okay. Yeah, so it's hard to explain but
Wait, it's packed down here.
Yes, sir.
The server is popping.
Trot.
So three gear sets instantly.
Yeah, that's actually nice.
We got all the proc here.
Look at this.
Paladin level 38.
Instantly spawned.
Look how many butts drawn on our bars here.
Yeah.
Okay, so.
Haven't put talent points in.
So before we go to the legacy tree.
Okay, chat.
I don't want to give them too much credit, but they didn't teach me this.
They taught you this, and they can't even play the game?
They taught me one thing.
Right when you get a new character on the beta,
but you're talented. You gain a talent point at every level starting at 5 instead of 10.
So you get more talents this way on the beta. I don't know how they know this from the beginning
at home. Oh, so it's like a cheese way. It's a cheese. Have you looked at the legacy tree? It looks
like a lot of the stuff is just outside of the world utility. Except the talent point one seems
kind of OP. That talent point one's OP. They might need to nerf that. I don't know. Yeah,
they might need to. All right, let's build a spec here. We want to go pro. Okay, so do we have
to tank as the tank spec or do you because I tried doing it as arms warrior I
literally died instantly unless my healer was told you have a shield on no
let's do with a lot of damage okay well we could try proc first and then we'll
see how the damage looks and maybe wreck could be good I don't know
definitely blotches.
OK, block chance, defense skill.
Oh, chance to hit.
We can get it.
Back hit.
Blocking freedom.
I don't think we need that.
Or defense for armor.
Defense skill.
What does that do?
Makes you more defensive.
Yeah.
OK.
By eight.
OK.
So we'll start.
Well, look at that throw.
I think we don't need the bop, right?
That bop is already such a long cooldown.
Everyone's going to die if you bop your trolling, right?
I'm not bopping.
So shield resort, shield spec.
That's gotta be good.
Uh, crease your total stamina.
That's gotta be really good.
60 seconds off?
Oh, right, just three down.
I'm joking, that's big.
Yeah, good.
So...
Oh, yes.
Yes.
So, Seal of Fury's the new tanking seal.
I can't wait to try that.
One mini-cool down.
Wait.
You do a second judgment with it.
I think this is the cool down of your judgment and reduces mana cost.
Okay, yeah.
I would actually go home.
Yeah.
One handed weapons.
Sort of stuck to be good too.
Templars, Bulwark, it gives you a shield.
Yeah, but it gives you a shield, you know, tanks.
It can't bubble because it greased the group.
You can just use this instead.
Oh, wow.
So they actually, OK, that's good.
That was worth a try.
Yeah, because I think you killed your group last time
you bubbled on a BRD on the ultralun.
You bubbled.
Everyone instantly got chain lightning.
Or was that a different pull?
That was a different stream.
I don't remember any of that.
OK, yeah.
Because yeah, well, technically, if you had that,
You know maybe about in 60 but if that was me that would have been that would have been nice to have but no that was
Probably someone else you're thinking of okay. Yeah, maybe it was someone else that
What's that last talent? Well, we got your first talent holy shool
Wait wait wait I'm trying to
Okay, that looks pretty good right four and five. I might go I might switch the numbers around
But I mean if you want to play like that this is more damage and more threat increases threat by 25
Right, holy straight. Yeah, and what is holy strike is that hammer righteous?
Versus wrecking him.
Oh, no, maybe you're right.
Maybe we do do that.
Yeah, I mean, I'm not trying to, you know, do too much, but I think, yeah.
Okay, let's do it.
I'm gonna take down.
I'm gonna take down.
Okay, so you gotta set, no one knew you gotta set the key mines here, because...
Yeah, I'll be done in like 15, 20 minutes, then we can actually play.
Okay.
Control all T, boom.
Dude, there are a lot of people online.
Dude, this is, this is kind of lit.
This is kind of sick.
It's weird seeing you on a blood-dead character.
Undead Pally dude, I was so happy when they announced undead. I was freaking out
I'm an OG Pally man if you didn't know I'm crossing up to the Pally really yeah
Yeah, play a human paladin and then I got owned by a mage
So I re-rolled
Yeah, you're right that is like yeah
Very good choice re-roll mage and I imagine that never happened. He never got owned by that mage
Yeah, that was
Kind of suck mage is definitely the classic play seal of fury. Oh dude judgment doesn't eat your seals
Okay, nice. I feel like that was kind of a hassle before. Yeah, very very very very good
Do you even have all your spells on your bar? You didn't look the spell for it?
Yeah, I'll figure it out. Okay. Yeah, we're just gonna kind of go minimal here
Landman should have needed this should have needed this should probably don't need any of this
I mean those are pretty important for the group if you care about your teammates, but I'll maintain everything will be fine here
Okay, wait, so you get kings by default now
Yeah, and consecration default like dude, there's some there's okay. That's good
How these I'm so jealous of how these as a mage because it's like how these kind of skin everything
I was I felt like when I played rogue it was
It didn't have any because how he has
Yeah, but it's like it you know the warrior has a weave Italian day we the mage is a
We're gonna ruin the game minimal damage. We're gonna ruin the game. We get everything everyone
Okay, all right, roguel specializes in not doing any regains.
Roku can specialize in others, so we do not need to give them anything else.
Yeah.
Oh, I just realized I'm doing all the key vibes, so when you take over, it's going to suck.
Oh, I'm a versatile player. I can play on any setup. No worries.
All right.
Yeah, don't need absolute perfection on my setup here, but...
Okay, I'm going to put the heal to F3. Is that cool?
Function key 3, I do prefer function key 1 to 2 but I can try to stretch to 3 if possible.
I'll just do an F3 there.
What are we putting on F3?
The heal.
Okay, you're never pressing F1 so that's fine.
We just complain to healer.
That's good.
You gotta find a better healer.
We need holy shield.
Wait so you get divine shield and the other one?
What?
Look at that, you have Divine Shield and Templar's Bulwark and you have Divine Protection.
So Templars is just like if you're taping and you want to send this, you put it on S.
So, you can't use both, like this is just a shield.
Yeah, so you get an extra bubble?
A bubble on top of that, but you can't bubble with that, like as a tank because then you lose a threat.
So like this is what you'll use as a tank.
Well, you could still have the bubble.
True.
That's insanely broken.
True. No wonder. I thought S-Fan, I'm like,
I swear this guy just bubbled four times with the duals. It's insane.
Yeah, he also might be cheating. I've seen that a lot with S-Fan.
Yeah, I mean, it was a little weird too.
He's plotting and everything in duals.
Going for world-first Dungeon to full clear.
PST, 30 plus minute timers.
30 plus minute timers only.
Yeah, I'm sure you're gonna get a lot of hits. Let's see. Okay.
I'm gonna see if we can get a world first clear here, but yeah, could be good to throw in a general chat too
Maybe you want read yell chat?
Blends in with dirt are a little bit
Yeah, I'm gonna do the alt a alt see let's see anyone whisper yet. Maybe they don't know how to
Whisper a potential here
They might still be setting up to be PS looking for group. Oh, okay. I'm gonna be guys
what's
Dude, just keep forward and watch your friends, Dave, here.
Okay, so we have Jalako, Jellico.
Okay, nice, we got this guy. So we just need one more DPS.
Oh, dude, you gotta probably sit next to each other, they're locked in.
Need one more DPS plus Healer for Dungeons, Speed, clears.
They could probably tap someone with a shoulder deck, so we're gonna buy them.
Yeah.
I'm gonna start spamming this heavily.
Dude, quit flooding the chat, man.
I'm not flooding you, man.
You're flooding the chat.
I'm not flooding anything.
You're doing too much.
We are kinda locked in here.
Um, so the Judgement will put on Shift 1.
GDKP Dungeons?
No, there's no GDKP, right?
I don't think so.
Yeah, no. I mean, there's not even gold on here.
Maybe like a soda or something
for a Dungeon to run up a little.
Oh, it's really a sanctuary, John.
It's less than a sanctuary.
They don't have that.
Blessing of Sing.
That's not on the right, but that's Salvation Salvation. Yeah. Oh, sanctuary is that blue ball? Yeah, I heard that. I think maybe that's good
Okay, we need two more people so we'll just keep
Looking for three more for it. This guy's trying to snipe our people. I swear people don't realize that you can combine groups
I don't know what's going on
Lots of recruiting people just like three more
Wait, that means they could both join
What's going on? We're going for a world record.
Judging run. First time undead palliated.
Yeah, it's a that that one. Yeah. Yeah, I do. Double PC setup is crazy.
Could you ever imagine doing this?
No way.
Oh, wait, wait, we have a whisperer back.
Oh, Caitlyn.
Oh, Caitlyn Bear Bear.
That's a cute name.
Caitlyn.
All of Heal, other one is two dead.
Oh, nice.
And they'll ever two dead.
Ever two dead.
Wow, OK, so it is a little confusing
to try to add people if they type two words on a name.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right, queue up, queue up.
Let's do it.
Talk to big guy to go in.
Let's clear this fall.
All tank, let's go nice and fast and slow.
Alright.
Okay.
Shot city.
Alright, here we go.
Okay.
Here we go.
Should be a lot better with an actual tank here.
Let's get some buffs up if we can for the team.
If we...
Um...
What do we do? Keep in key general?
Yep.
Should we get the buff on or better? No.
No, I'm fine.
No, we're not gonna buff the ally?
Nope, we're missing someone though.
What are you gonna wait for your team?
Off the main tank, so yeah, they're gonna be right after me.
Okay, let's see how tanky we feel.
So, we're gonna concentrate, we're gonna hit 3, 1, 2...
Wait, that's not...
That's so nice.
I'm taking the ally.
How do we damage?
Wait, you're gonna throw a damage meter.
Oh, you're trying to add something to the cloud.
It's a big cloud.
Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo.
Yo, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
I'll turn it down to plus 7.
5% or something.
It's like, it's like, oh, reset.
That's why I'm doing 100.
Yeah.
How did no one notice that before?
Wait, what else was I going to do?
Oh, yeah, damage mirrors.
Yeah.
Then you got to edit both of them a bit.
Well you can't see the damage there.
It's a little low there.
There you go, perfect.
Nice.
Oh, that's behind the camera.
Well, I mean you can see main tank at the top, right?
So we are top damage still.
Yeah, I'll put it.
That's good. Or...
What should we make it?
Yeah, I mean...
It's gonna be a little awkward, but we can put it there.
That's alright.
Okay, so Paladins are doing casual 200 DPS, huh?
First place is what I'm used to, this is fun.
No matter the expansion, doesn't really matter man.
Can you press X-Rusism on all mobs or no's at Undead?
No, it's just Undead.
Yo, a lot of these mobs are undead in this dungeon though.
Dude, Pali is so much more fun.
Like I have chains, dude I might have a little Pali again.
This is amazing.
Because I'm having to reseal after every judgment,
but then you also have a Holy Strikes.
You actually just have something to press.
It feels like you have multiple buttons to hit.
Yeah.
I'm very sturdy dude, you notice how sturdy I am?
Well you're not taking right now, someone's pulling aggro off you.
You're literally not taking anything actually.
I was testing to see something in an hour.
Dude, this mage is harrying you.
You got so lucky this guy joined the group.
Is he playing Arcane?
I'm not sure.
Are Jilly ever too dead or are they attacking?
I have no idea this is kind of how all my groups look though like we're everyone's kind of long in a dial
Yeah, you just get wiped in this place, but well because you haven't actually tried in tough holes yet
Yeah, it's classic. Wow. It's not retail and we're trying to go slow and steady man. Okay race every time
The loot office first boss is good for her plate where's to us you have killed the first boss
What's it twice? Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, dealer dealer?
Yeah, everyone's playing really close to melee range
Oh, I just clicked 10 Blards.
Dude, I'm gonna move that to R.
Should we wait for that for the boss?
Yeah, that's like our biggest jewel down.
I just said taking nothing.
Four minutes in their demo time would be crazy though.
Yeah.
I need water.
Set the meter to current as well.
The damage meter.
We got water on a keybind and the damage meter over to...
Uh, current, there you go.
Nice.
Dude, I'm actually in love with this. Oh, I just re-sealed for no reason.
Oh, I need a lot of damage.
Look how much damage you take. I swear the bobs do a lot of damage.
Yeah. Oh, the threat is also like hard. I feel kind of panicked when Tyler won now.
Threat feels like...
Yeah, you're doing a lot of damage. You're doing too many DPS and not only threat.
Yeah, that's right.
Dude, maybe you got above salvation on people instead.
Nah, it's fine.
Oh, I guess I'm just resealing my muscle memory has to be keep losing steel even though I don't need to
It's a bit of a damage loss, but that's okay. Oh
Demon slaying. I'm not gonna wait that could be good to hold on to that
Oh
I was gonna do something else. Oh, yeah
Judgments a taut. Yes, so you're just kind of throwing out your taut
Maybe you got a whole judgment or something for a sec, but it's also damage. So I can like 10 second cool down. I mean
I think it's good to just like use this and then this and then this then we have another time that I have a reset on my time
In case things go bad
Yeah, I mean I'll try something big guy. We're kind of folks the wrong guy. There you go
You know this group is actually kind of locked in here. This is the best group I've seen Jellico is serious
So it's safe to say politics are looking kind of broken and mages are looking kind of broken.
Mages actually feel weak, arcane is broken. Arcane is very broken.
Mages felt weak? Is that what you're saying?
Yeah, fire felt like it could use some help. Yeah, absolutely.
Okay, well, maybe a level 38 scale me of the long talents. I mean, rotation could be off.
Okay, here, see this.
Okay, we're coming up to first boss, not like single wipe yet, it's actually like probably the best group.
You have five centers on, you gotta be careful, you're under rule.
So what do you do in your room? How do you get mana back?
I'm gonna get mana back. See that? Vlogs.
Oh, you actually do get mana back.
Yeah, yeah, like a bunch of talents.
That's like a solid for Shalvax.
Yeah.
Oh, I don't have a target bound either.
That's what TAP's supposed to be normally.
I use T, I use T.
Yeah, the mana back stuff is amazing.
You see the part of the more bombs you pull, the more mana you have.
Yep, yep.
I swear I'm actually in love with this Palli this time.
I quite like they made tanking more fun in these versions of the game than retail.
It feels like you're just so powerful.
Okay, let's see this.
Got him?
Got him?
Got it?
Can you be threat here?
Dude, you're free over here.
should be kind of like no do no one's been attacking group
it might be getting a feedback set up a bunch of slack
dude mages run to move maybe he was tricking
yeah yo mages definitely run to move
that's nice
I'm cranking
yes dude you might actually get past the second boss I've never seen the second boss here
I got a wife here I've seen second boss either
I don't know if you want to explain the fight to these guys,
because I thought he was running to get one shot,
and they started saying the game was bugged.
Wait, really?
They said they literally died in one shot,
and they couldn't believe it.
OK, first boss, this is huge.
Yeah.
Let's lock this in.
OK.
People saying D.Va aura?
I could.
Wait, we had overdoing red aura for DPS.
Yeah.
It's good for threat, I don't know.
OK.
So I press aura for scare here.
Stun doesn't work, that's fine.
Slam, I'm gonna...
Oh my gosh, I'm gonna turn away.
Dude, I told you to slam!
I dispelled myself too.
I didn't resist. Resist again.
What? How many resists do I give for this?
You wash aggro?
Dude, dude, dude.
That was a good talker.
Yeah, I can do it.
They're all running into the slam. Oh, no, no, no, dude
He's a great she's super
Watch out for this
You need to kill him for next time, next time you're all dead.
Heal, heal, heal.
Yeah, I'm just gonna kite this one up, kite it up, kite it up, kite it up.
Yes!
Alright!
Leather.
Hit chance?
I never saw that drop on road.
0.9%
That's a weird number.
Sure, whatever.
I thought you needed it.
Dude, your mage did everything.
Yeah, that mage is kind of OP. I think Arcane is definitely the way to go here.
Jesus.
Oof!
Cookin'.
Wait a minute.
Who's our third DPS?
That's like a mage, a hunter, and then the Pallies the healer.
Oh, we have two Pallies, okay.
So three Pallies, so little cheese.
No buffs. We should have way more buffs.
Guys, these guys are probably new playing brand new classes on a brand new expansion. They're trying to load the game.
Buff off, please. Jesus, guys.
People are saying we should try to go for the shark? Is that...
Sharks are possible.
What is the shark drop though? How does it look?
Shark is absolutely impossible.
Dude, see, Pauly is so crazy. You can't do this on any other class.
Yeah, that's why I was expecting to play.
Yeah, I'm liking this.
Yeah, we threat.
Okay, mages are out of control.
The mage shows up late, doubles you.
Uh, that's not quite double.
Yeah, maybe, yeah, what, 30, 40% more?
Ooh, I mean, you guys do have three paladins in a group,
but only one buffa.
I was just saying that.
I need buffs. You know, whatever.
Maybe you say you'll do Kings or Might or something, or maybe you'll get the ball rolling, maybe buff them.
If you guys want to hit other buffs, it's huge for us as a team.
Yeah, that's a slight min-max, but I mean, they might not have that on their bars, I don't know if they've talented into that.
So if you actually forgot where to go with the dungeon because they don't really say where to go
And it's a big dungeon you kind of just
Massive. Oh, there's Pats Pats Pats Pats. Watch out for this watch out for this. I
Don't want to say if the Kite back but Pats Pats
watch for Pats
Wait, who just bought my god, okay, you guys are down above you're gonna watch for that
You're your top damage to move top. He's just out of the game right now
Yeah, you know, other pally is doing...
He's got your healer.
You find out two healers.
He could be playing healer. We don't need much.
He has a sword shield on.
So he's off tanking.
Okay, he's playing off tank roll.
We had to do with Tyler. We just had two tanks.
They've worked way better that way.
I mean, it's good. It's needed on certain fights.
I'm gonna wait for our mage to get some mana here.
Wait, you don't have kings up.
I thought you were buffing kings and you're telling them they're not using buffs.
Are you trolling?
I did buff everyone at Kings.
What happened to it?
Oh, this guy does have Kings.
You're complaining about only getting a buff?
Oh, I actually thought I could get a buff.
So you're trolling?
Yeah, I got Kings.
I got Kings.
OK.
OK, let's do the necrots that I first.
Always kill Caster first, no matter what.
Do we have any CC?
I don't even have a Mage.
I don't know if we're going to sheep here, though.
A lot of AWP.
I'm a pallet, I handle it.
It's a four pack with a little crab, so nope, no crab, good.
I need one more.
I think that's your critter, man, is that?
I don't know, I don't know.
Have you died to that before or something?
Hold me to every counts when you're a little black bluster.
Oh, there's a guy down for that.
Don't use actually a level one critter, okay, I wasn't aware of that.
Yeah.
You can kind of like set the pace of everything, it's kind of like a juggler and lead.
You're controlling what's going on, because imagine like, you know, you were just trying
to tank, I think it would be a lot different what the dungeon looks like.
Yeah, I couldn't imagine that to be in tough.
This way I mean honestly just pull behind us. I think we just do it because someone always pulls this from my experience
Yeah, it does happen especially where all the next zone is where you start getting all the local packs
Everyone here
Oh, you're right. We only have one of aura have to man you guys are
Now we have now we have two at least okay
I mean, I don't think you can get any resist or that's useful here. Yeah
There's a lot of packs here, I've never gone left. Usually you always go right in this dungeon
So I'll show you where to go. You go left. Yeah, cuz no one goes left, but okay
Do powder
uh no
dude what why why are my dispells never working notice that uh maybe they resist
it resists every time if that's your base one does oh it's disease poison i'm an idiot
you don't get the other dispell till later well i thought i thought it dispells it just takes
I
Read them
Yes, they put the next one just in case now. Yeah, I just wanted my kings up. It's all good though. Oh
Does that remove your buff?
Yeah, if you freed up this up Alex work if you freed up
So it's kind of annoying 10% less stats that is that is a little annoying
Yeah, that's why you would never just want to freedom in that situation champ. Is this a double path right here?
No, no, not that way
That's what I actually kind of like this you have to do one at a time if you go public
You'll probably just die, but that's good like the game should feel that way. I think
I just thought about it, maybe if it's done, you can go both ways, you can go left and
right.
These are different mobs, so there's gotta be a boss that's a Naga and then a boss that's
a pirate guy.
There's no way there's not a boss like yeah this way could be left. Yeah
Hey, there's no just actually massive though. Oh, you might even kick that mom in
That's the choice. Thank you're not stacking but
All your baby has it looks like
Someone out here
Yeah, we kicks this bells dude Joe go do you believe I'm gonna boss on it up to
Their spell cast is I think I'm not sure
I should never keep out laying hands or anything. That's far right
Lol T. Why say good no problem honestly not a big deal
Got you new keyboard Wow nice
Hunters useless I mean this is kind of a tough hunter dungeon, baby has shift C sound for that
Shift Z, I wouldn't use Shift. It's tough on the pinky.
Alright, I'm under Shift Z on it.
I use Control, probably, over Shift.
No way!
Control over Shift?
Yeah, well normally it's on my mouse.
The pinky activates the most amount of Neuron in your hand, so you have hand pain, you shouldn't use your pinky for hand pain.
I don't have hand pain because I use Shift.
The pinky is the most hand pain you can get. Do not use that finger.
I definitely prefer using the peeky for shift. I have control like that is somehow works act
makes neurons it goes up your forearm and your elbow and your shoulder and your back it's it's
crazy what happened with this. I mean even look at this you just look stressed in the camera the
tendon is on fire. I mean each flexing it is it's it's not completely fine. It's making me
uncomfortable even thinking about it. Guys what is the best modifier in World of Warcraft?
Alt control or shift control all we all about shift to stop trolling me look look at the chat
Are you kidding me shift dominance first time he wants to look at the chat shift. He's active like shift dominance
That's crazy, okay guys. I won't play the way they want maybe maybe some of these people have shit finds to
Never gone left. This is all due to be
I
Think you guys are gonna pull this back
You need to do something right now
Oh
Good
That was a clean form.
That was pretty good.
Okay, now I'm going to wait for the path to come back,
and we're going to keep moving this way.
Okay.
Guys, be honest. Have you guys ever seen the second boss here?
Has anyone hit this before the timer's up?
I feel like no one has hit this.
I have never seen anyone go left.
I didn't even know you could go left.
People are saying yes. No, I said be honest.
You didn't know, guys, we're on the left side of the dungeon,
not the right, that's why.
So to beat it. No, no, yeah, I don't think so
Your party members are about to start dropping how much time do they have
Wow, I think it just came down literally to seconds between them victory.
Whoa, guys, this is all PDV behind us.
People are fired up.
The MDI.
Wow, liquid just won, I think, versus Big Lucky.
They're all in USA.
Yeah, USA.
Oh my gosh, the USA.
Literally by seconds, I think, it was crazy.
Dude, to the USA wins, race will first end at the end of this year.
This is the biggest blizzcon ever wow fans everywhere of every version
I hear a lot in USA's in the channel. Yeah
Oh my gosh, oh, yeah
Okay, yeah, you're in this whole your spot here. Wait, where is the boss then?
We have 17 minutes on these guys. Okay, this is a fast run then. This is the fastest run we've seen
Powered and Bane is a good combo
There's another panel I think in like another hour right guys
I play the rest of this one and
And, uh, when these guys disconnect, we get out of here and then you play one.
Could do a new class, yeah?
Yeah, you could try DPS, tank or healer.
Yeah, anything different and then, uh, see how that goes.
Honestly though, I feel like tanking you can definitely carry at least.
What's the best tank to play? Is Paladin? How do you just...
Paladin seems to chip, you can try warrior tank or true tank or...
People said warlock. Is warlock fun?
You can try lock, criteria, DPS, who knows.
whatever champ wants everyone maybe warrior a warrior can be crazy yeah
I'm only playing with one warrior looks really rough what really really bad
these fears are yo yo oh great oh that's not good oh off-tank watch watch versus
either we might need a bubble you don't have a you don't bubble either oh my gosh
yeah we gotta run yeah no go out roach roach roach out dude I mean bubble
earthworth case okay just just keep running to your turn don't even look
back can you see that you gotta go you gotta go
I have to free him I have to no more things
no I have to oh no no no no no
I and you're telling me people are clearing the dungeons I told you no one
is ever cleared the dungeon first white that the first one I want you while you're
wiping one pack and then another pack two different three actually that was the
first wipe on the left side because no one's ever gone left so that that is a
record very very very very brutal unbelievable
okay um oh we just instantly rise oh I throw it on the run oh we're good there's
no is that how it's gonna be where you spawn at the front of the dungeon
okay so that's just yeah I actually don't think anyone's ever done this before
Yeah, no one's ever died and had to run back left. So that is another potential record to get set here
I actually haven't died at all ever you could try to set the record for most amount of wipes without one of them leaving you
One so far one so far
We got this team
Okay, play road people are I'm gonna bro. People want willa for Satan on the bar is sure wait that actually
It's very useful.
You literally got feared.
That is very true.
That is very, very true.
Guys, I'm not a pass to your princess.
This is a team effort here.
26x rank 1 by the way.
Oh yes, that's about right.
Why are we saying that?
Zard isn't going to pass the sticks, guys.
That's happened to everybody.
I mean, it's not his fault.
Mostly his ball, but not not fully
Let's see what's happening here. You're right to stereo. Yeah, I just removed it from time. Okay, good
This guy's such a reset spot here Jalako is a beast. He's already thinking for our core sick
How does he know that this guy's a sweat this guy's a lot of the beta. Well, he must know what's going on
Yeah.
Out long, left on timer.
I'm gonna say like 13 minutes.
12 minutes.
I feel like Jallico is the only one kind of on the comms right now.
10 minutes, okay.
He always there, he always fired up.
10, 12, let's do it.
Got to get at least second boss.
Uh, let's pull this right back.
right back. That is a big back it might be worth trying to CC or you're gonna have
to use some cooldowns.
Yeah we might just die. We can cheap moon. Do we have trap maybe? Try to rotate
Hodges? I mean you have no aura. There you go. Oh my gosh. Wait we just went we're
going this looks old dude or they've got one shot almost we need some kicks
We don't have had a case for two casters.
Hey, we are on a good slope.
Let's know when I got the red, so...
Wait, doing it?
Is it doable if you're not a college student?
I don't know.
I...
How about some little out of control?
Oh, wait, wait!
This is the best pull that Gilly has done.
Oh, Gilly!
Yeah, Gilly is cooking.
Good job, Gilly!
Top takes action doing well, too.
I think it's in the water what's in there
Dude it looks like it would be in the water. There's got to be something in the water.
Wow, this is a huge pool. 400 EPS. Wow, Mages actually does.
Yeah.
It makes you maybe heal up before you go in here. I don't know, maybe something.
Could there be something?
Why would they have this in the water if there's nothing down here?
Is there a chest or something maybe?
Oh, in there?
Okay, okay.
Wait, no way.
You have a dead breath too, super long.
Someone else might drown though.
I swear they're making it up. They did just sound confident.
Okay.
Yo, Jellico dunked your arm, bro. Okay, here we go, here we go. Wait, is this a boss mana rich freddy?
Wait, you can go kinda- Oh my, I can't breathe in here.
Wait, this is like a tunnel.
Where you breathe?
You're pierced here. You're taking a lot of damage.
I'm chillin', she's like, my teammate's trying to get breath. I'm the only undead here, right?
Or that guy's undead.
Maybe we don't go this way.
You're the one that told me to go the other way.
Tell the team to be careful and they go through the other side
Wait, are we just going in a circle wait, it's gonna take you to the shark
Okay, you can breathe breathe you can breathe here nice
That all back down oh
This is bad. This is a bad quality water
Yeah, this is looking a little scary here.
If you wipe again, it's gonna be over for your team.
Dude.
Don't go.
Lay?
Oh my, I bopped him.
He bopped herself.
Now you can't bubble.
Oh.
Shadow of the Coat.
Terrible positioning.
Now, we're playing with the mage.
You're back.
Now it's awful.
You have to title light and push down the line as I out of range.
You bopped yourself.
That was...
He died.
Okay.
Okay, I guess
Yo, you're moving you're moving
Okay, you can go to your back to your potions
You man up
You are
Go for heels call you
Oh my gosh
You just killed the whole group they're all dead every single person gonna die down. No, no, we're chill ever everyone's fine
They're still fighting
Wow
Okay, I guess I guess it's a pause worthy
Dude, they pulled again, they're dead. I told you kill the whole group
Are they pulling?
Yeah, why are they pulling without you?
I just ditched them, huh? I'm not getting a rest ever. I have to go the other way actually
You're gonna go right now?
Yeah, solo it.
Okay.
Oh, the whole group is white, baby.
Maybe you just gotta say you're running out of time and just, I don't know, it could be one of those angles.
No, actually, I have no time for it all.
Oh, really?
Yeah, control team.
Oh, okay.
I had to pull that move on some of my groups.
I said, guys, I'm out of time.
After first white dip, I was like, nah, I gotta go.
Like two hours four hours just say that maybe when the game comes up to I'll still say that
I'm sorry guys my timer's running out like I got a dip
Guys I think normally there's a corpse run but in this one there's no corpse run because
What sort of wanted people to be able to just insulate die and run back in I think they expected people to die long on this
Yeah
Like what the bathroom a quick
Got me back. Oh my my knees just pop
How old are you?
Mods, fans, spammers, mods, fans, spammers. Guys, the only thing I'm seeing spammed is people saying mods, fans, spammers.
Do you want me to ban you?
That's the only thing that I see you guys spamming.
Dude, gave me a punch like that for like a while. Probably not great on the neck.
I'll wait for the team here.
Guys, this is sick.
I think I'm pretty darn obsessed with Paladin.
I think it's pretty sweet, man.
Can you see what percent your undead racial is doing overall?
In terms of damage?
4% damage.
A task.
Holy Shield. Consecration is actually a lot of weird.
20 minutes till the panel. Good call. Good reminder. Very good reminder. Very good reminder.
I wonder if I should actually get back on the other PC to get ready for that panel.
So the next panel starts at 1.15, so in about 20 minutes.
Can I come back over there?
Check.
Yeah.
All right, guys, I think we're moving back there
in about 20 minutes for the little reacts to that.
We'll make sure we're locked in the dial there.
You good?
Can you see on the panel? I'm not gonna be on the panel. I'll be watching the panel.
Come out with a bang on the shark. Let's do it. I like it. Okay. Hey, these guys want to try shark.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, what are they doing?
I was gonna like, leader to the shark and pull it, it's kind of sprinting and dies.
Chilaco, I like you, man.
Yeah, the water looks really nice.
Okay, now these guys are creeping.
Grace.
Oh, my healer's still here, though.
oh shard the shark just killed everything so the shark's level 45 I don't think I have to kill the shard
the shard's supposed to kill us and it's going to be exactly what it sounds like
how's the pallet on field feels like it feels so good
Yeah, they had to go, they had to, all right I think you're up, you want to make something
new?
Should we play this class?
We'll play this class.
What's the next class?
Whatever chat wants.
What do you guys think?
Home.
I'll swap off with you.
OK.
Oh, this is OK.
I might be hitting a panel at some point.
OK.
I think it's in like 20 minutes or so.
I moved the chair back a little bit.
OK.
I'm going to go to the restroom too while you're setting up.
Sounds good.
Guys, what is the best class to play right now on a Laos
forever?
How come no one's saying Rogue?
Are none of you Rogue players or something?
I didn't even give Rogue a shot in PvE.
What's going on?
I'll make a move right now if one person wants it.
Let's go with the Dungeon Experience here.
OK, what is the best race with some of the new racials?
What has happened here?
I like Skyborne, but I don't think it's getting any DTS.
Clyde Downward?
This is for running away. This is Bors R style here.
What if I do Troll for the Attack Speed?
Troll for Attack Speed or...
Orc 2 does get Blood Fury.
I'm gonna go Troll on this one, I think. Let's try that.
I mean, we're gonna go Horde, right? Horde over Alliance.
I feel like I haven't seen anyone play Troll either.
So good.
Hello?
Shadow belt no no no no guys we gotta try to troll
Dude, alright. Yeah, we look sick. Okay. Here we go. Perfect
It looks like I have a mask on all right
We're sending this tools got to be fired here
We'll go
Go main and rogue
POV
perfect
HD model I know. Dude, after seeing that the click button for HD and thought, I sometimes do like the high definition model a little more.
But I do like some of the older animation style of 1v2, so it's kind of a weird thing. We'll do no HD on this one.
Did we do HD on the last run?
Road no one said troll warlock? Yeah, I'm playing a troll road.
I tried to play DPS and I played a sass.
A sass feels cool, but I kind of want to see sub or combat.
Wait, we can get AR and Blade 3 instantly.
What do you guys think?
Should we try sub PDE or a sass?
Backstab build, sub.
Wow, everyone's saying sub, guys.
This is kind of biased here.
Well, I mean, what about the combat fans?
There's gonna be a couple of people like combat road.
Legacy talent, okay, you're right.
Guys, if you didn't know this, here's a quick tip.
If you're playing WoW forever,
and you have the demo, you're playing the beta.
Oh man.
Let's get hyped, guys, let's get hyped in here.
Put talent right into gear, and then right into gear.
Five-five, that's your talent points, it's insane.
Okay, let's see we'll go sub talent you will do backstab yes here. So do damage here on backstab. I
Don't think we need to be worried about being stealth-attempty, but we'll go speed kind of move things forward ambush quick chance. We need that
Reduces cool down of vanish and blind or energy cost
lost. Minute 30. I guess I'll just go faster stealth for now. This is distract range. We
want to actually call what's for sure with ambush. We'll do lucidness here. Do we need
ghostly strike? We'll go stairs blade. That's good. I don't know if we need ghost strike
if we're PDE. We'll do heighten senses instead. I could try to sap things. Actually I'll go
sap. I'll go sap. Actually no, not. Oh that's actually nice. You can remove your talents
before it locks in. In Classic I had to spend a ton of gold because I respect her constantly.
You'll be prepped. Energy cost. I've cheap shot and your growth ability no longer requires
you to be behind your target. Groot seems like it does a lot of damage on here. I don't know if
they changed how Groot works, but it does see it's noticeable. So we'll do this.
Hemorrhage, it costs the target to take increased rupture damage from the road.
Okay, so that's not saying it's going to increase overall damage. Let's just rupture. I'm not sure
if we're going to press rupture much. I honestly, I don't want Himo or Ghosty Trek. I kind of just
want to play backstab but I might have to speck into it because there's nothing
else to grab I'll grab a humo let's see so sinister strike ghostly strike and
hemorrhage cause more damage below 35% or backstab has a chance to cause your
next ambush within 10 seconds to not require stealth do we think this means
it's not going to cost energy because I'm assuming how much damage does it do
Let's see, backstab does 150 plus 90, ambush does 250 plus 125.
OK, that's insane damage versus, OK, this doesn't affect backstab.
That's kind of troll.
Cicero strike, ghost strike, and hemorrhage increase damage,
not backstab, which is our main attack.
Or ambush.
This is a weird talent.
Why would they even put this in the game?
Oh, the salary set?
Good go.
I'll turn that off.
Wait, I don't lose my down points.
Hold on.
You have to tough it out for a second.
When the rupture deals damage, the energy cost to your next Heaven or Backstab is reduced, stacking up to five times.
Okay, that's kind of fun.
Let's see, we'll do this, and then I think we gotta go Crit Chance here.
Oh wow, so we only have three points left, we can't get the puncture wound from Max Backstab Crit, that would be huge.
Unless...
Unless we do.
Wait, do we go for it?
I don't know how we can get it because I could like do some weird stuff here and take talents away to get this
And it gives backstab additional call points. Otherwise, just go for it. Two percent for it. Good enough. We'll go with this
Thousand cuts does sound bad. I don't think you ever press rupture
He was the main talent
What's the CD on backstab? Backstab has no cooldown. None. You can spam it. Well, it costs a lot of energy
Okay, let's try this. Let's do this
You'll go options, audio, sound, what is it like?
30, 25, right, 30.
Did you meet Hemo?
Yeah, what does Hemo do?
An interesting deal is 100% weapon damage, 145,
and causes it to take increased rough damage.
I'm good right now.
Yeah, OK, so Hemo is your main attack.
You can't spend backstab, but I went for a backstab heavy build.
So we're doing big DPS with this.
And I was like, I don't know.
Should I even set some key points?
Why is my- We'll do edit mode with the classic preset.
We'll do damage, show that, enable-
Oh, no, damage.
Oh, no, that's not right again.
We'll do this, enable this.
Boku DPS, yes.
Okay, let's put it like right here.
Do we think we can out-damage people?
Or no.
It's like, guys, okay.
Dude, it's so weird, like, I'm trying to read my chat
on my phone.
So if it looks like I'm on my phone, I'm really just trying to read the screen and try to see what's going on.
But the couch got me further away, too.
All right, let's see. So we've got...
Rapid regen. Okay, I like that.
Where's my troll ratio here?
Preserving, okay, so preserving is big damage here.
I'm assuming we want to go double instant poison? Let's try that.
Okay, I feel the back shearing for us. I mean, they're getting excited that we're on the road
It's been a minute since we've played rogobliss gone, but yeah, we're doing it again
Wait, is there even a wait, why is there no one out here? We're gonna find a team
big
Big rogue of DPS LFG at dungeon no strats and down to learn
Okay, I'll put I'll put some viewers out see if we get some hits
So we'll go backstab, main spell, I'll put Gounge on the bar, I'll throw a Slice, do you guys mind if I click my spells a little bit if I have to?
Yo, show back!
What up, man?
Show back?
Bunk high?
He's struggling to get under the thing.
guys show back is like six five by the way what up yo get it right here I think
I think it's it's either this one or this one I'm not sure it might be that
one we're loading up road right now yeah we do not just a little gotta get a
little breakdown analysis here for the chat can you guys hear on that mic or
no can we get a little check one check one yeah anything guys yeah put one
thing that's right there let's go right there first one lock I've had a couple
Ninja moments on here. I actually got people tell me they're going to report me on here. Nice, right start off guy
Have you played? I haven't seen anything you haven't played you haven't seen them done nothing
No, I was gonna wait for Sunday, but everyone's like dude. He just doing the road stuff. We're locked. We got to get the retail
Classic analysis breakdown. I'm thinking sub robe. Everyone wanted sub. I tried it. I'm looking at the talents
I might do some crazy damage. I'm backstab heavy build. I can't quite get like the crit backs them
But I think I might be topping meters. Can you backstab from the front? No, no
No, so they're keeping a classic. You got to be behind
I
Was gonna add a couple keybinds, but I was like, you know, maybe I won't do keybinds
But I'm looking at it might be like one keybind
No, well now you watch me play it's like
OK, I might have to.
I mean, Chad, is he feeling threatened right now?
Wait, so there's my mind.
Well, I just got invited some DC guy.
Kidding?
How do you feel about the two name?
I mean, what's going on?
So I heard, apparently, the double name
is because there's no servers anymore.
Yeah.
So if there's no servers anymore,
you can't reserve your name with one name.
So they had to double it.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm super excited.
Does that mean EU can play on NA now, finally?
I hope not.
But is that possible?
I don't want to have that thing right like I don't know how it's gonna work
But it's definitely new and I'm definitely excited for us if if we're all the same server
Does that mean we just see more people like way more people?
I think so more cues more instances more world PvP. I feel like it's a good thing
I don't and then I guess there's like a way you select how to play and maybe that caused the layer
I don't know yeah, but we have level 30 and these are all the ability of 38 blind
So I'm 38 there's resources on vanish and blind this guy's inviting a group who is oh what I got a group
All right, yo, some guys we try to hit this dungeon dude
I swear you have a lot of spells the game feels like it ramps up like I play a priest a little bit
I you have 15 spells in each tree. It was like, okay. I have so many binds and now we're only level 30
Yeah, I could imagine how it's gonna evolve because it feels like they can go any direction they want with this
How's the energy is it vanilla tick with the two seconds? No, no, no, it's a regen thing
But it feels good. It feels good. What are that comma points? Can you swap them off? No, no, no
Second second you detarget why actually they don't switch
But I don't know if you lose them like how it was like kind of annoying classic you detarget for a second
You lose all your points even if you target same guy. I don't think that's in the game still nice. That's a really good change
Let's do a quick key by mode. Let me just go see on this. We'll do one two three four five six seven eight zero dash equal
Yeah, we'll probably just roll with that, it seems good to me.
Yeah, it seems good. I mean, that's an easy retry there, right?
Yeah, I can just, I can kind of glide on it.
Now, do you take the right hand off from that equal sign?
Depends on the encounter. If I'm doing single target fight,
if I have to move around, I'll probably have a DPS loss,
but I can probably make it work.
Take a sprint.
Yeah, I went troll too. I was like, trying to read the racers,
they changed them a little bit.
I don't know what the best racer is, but they seem a little more interesting now.
Like, they kind of do a little more than before.
Yeah, I kind of like it because before, it was kind of just default to one race,
one race because that's just the best for your class.
Now it's all extreme.
Oh, what's up?
Sorry, you want to get the head set on too?
Well, I can scoot over.
Wait, I got a full group.
Now you're good.
Look it in there.
We're going to the drownsley.
Have you guys ever seen this dungeon?
I'm going to go the right side this time.
Wait, have you ever seen left?
I haven't seen anyone ever go right.
Look at you.
This water looks like it's from GTA 5.
Yeah, the water looks incredible.
I don't even know if we're on high graphics.
Where are we on?
We're not even on high graphics.
Yeah, they got us locked up seven out of 10.
Dude, at home I have a Star Force PC.
If we're on the Star Force, it's just gonna look crazy.
Yeah, super nuts.
Wait, you decided to go main roguepog?
Well, I just decided to check it out.
Real unique, man, real unique.
Well, I've never seen anyone with his name, so.
Main roguepog, unbelievable.
Oh, you got the little poker there, too.
Yeah, I'm doing it someday.
Double dagger backstab, though.
Let's see so we have a prop out on the group pretty broken class. So I'm just gonna do a couple backs. Yeah
364 damage drop off the racial we got to see the racial. Okay. Let me let me get some energy
I have a talent where I can ambush out of stealth
Abilities from the spellbook this is
Am I doing 30 dps is that a bug?
30 no, it's pretty accurate right there
I thought there was our damage of you okay, no, no, we're not gonna sprawl when I was playing I was like 300 right
Well, not exactly. I don't know. These are high armor targets, too, right? So, let's see what goes out on them.
I mean, they aren't crafty. They do have high armor.
It's the point, Agri. I definitely saw that happen.
Oh, dude, look at the Elite Frame. It's like the new updated version of it.
Yeah, it looks a little different shade.
Dude, I still like that the nameplates look nice, the Uniframes look nice, but I still love a classic option.
I want the old, like, Elite Frame. It's the old every technic I can.
I can't if not I'm not looking to be out on anyway, so that's what's going on there
It looks a little hard to see your bobble points. They like move it to the top and it's kind of small
Yeah, I do prefer it a little bigger
Yeah, no I yeah, it's a
It's hard to it's hard to see for sure. Yes, and yeah, you lean a little bit more. Yeah
Definitely very solid very nice
Okay, so I'm playing the ambush backstab building and does feel a bit weaker the specs I thought we might try combat
All right, I think it's weaker because you're not keeping up slicing ice there because if I do
You want to keep that slice that's gonna be your main damage bill. Yeah, I'll look for more slices. I'll try
They can do a little pre-med ambush. Maybe I'll do one ability into slice nice. We'll see you kind of just full set
Huh, no keybind to know anything to send the clicking and why so they didn't buy it's like it's kind of more like casual experience
We're just getting off. Okay, so wait you're 30 with backstab and chemo. Yeah
Yeah, and you've already posted strike as well. Is it worth to use the chemo for the damage buff?
I saw the damage of it only works in the rest rupture
But there's this tower where if you rupture and put up a dot it reduces the energy cost of backstab
Which range if I maybe I'm gonna try that on the next ball
But I don't want to you know compare but if we look at the other rogue
I am out damaging it by almost 50% so that could have been the size of that step and our snake is also
Completely trolling us here. It's definitely not main tank Bob. I'll tell you that much. Yeah, but you were like what's I?
Don't know. I guess I'll do my civil
Yeah, I'm gonna be checking out this panel coming up here soon. Yeah, whatever we got a call. Let me know
No, no you you keep playing you keep doing your thing
Yeah, the classic panel stop it. Oh, are you gonna go up to a panel? I'm just gonna watch it on this computer
Oh, okay, but you just keep playing keep doing your thing. Yeah, I'm gonna go check out the hardcore to
okay yeah yeah
yeah
wait he go can you stay here no?
no
he go cause you stay here
oh okay
okay, kill him
okay wait just hand hide
what the hell are they doing
what's going on
guys how come I'm not told about anything
Alright guys, talk in the chat when you can see us over here.
Type one in the chat when you can hear me over here.
One in the chat when you can hear me over here.
No way, it's already done.
Wow, that was clean.
Wow, that was the cleanest we've done.
Holy crap.
We're over here now.
Okay, so there's a panel starting. We don't want to miss it. That actually worked. Sick.
I think this microphone might be better too than the other ones I've used. I'm not even sure.
Let's make sure the audio were a few minutes early. The panel, I believe, is on the main stage.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Yes, it should be on this stage, right?
Loud and clear. Cool.
Panel starting in seven hours. It's a much better mic. Sick.
Is it on the wow stage? Are you guys sure?
Oh, it's right after this.
I'll open up the wow stage to you just in case.
And then I'm going to lock in the audio. Make sure the audio sounds okay before we start up and then we'll go.
I'll move the camera this way.
Nice.
So we'll watch the last portion of this since we, you know, MDI might as well.
Yeah, I'm gonna check the audio real quick.
That's the audio.
If Shun gets in trouble one more time, he could go down very easily.
They have literally nothing available.
Shun dropping low once again on this pull.
Easy to find a way to stay alive.
Brutalized going out on them.
A little bit through that once again with another Vant Blood.
But they are entire straights over on the side of Big Lucky.
This is such a scary pull for those Blood Death Knights,
but it does look like Shun has been able to get through the worst of it.
Still a bit more trash.
Going to be needed for Big Lucky.
Meanwhile, Team Liquid are going to take 10% more count onto the boss.
This is it.
Liquid's through the pole, one more boss left, one more pole of trash, they have the bloodless ready for this pole.
All they have to do is live through Cronus one final time in any...
How's that? Sorry, that was on my end. I muted it.
Um, okay, so, panel starts right when this ends, I believe.
It's supposed to start right now, correct me if I'm wrong,
but I think it's on this stage starting now, unless it's here.
Yeah, this is not it.
So I think it's here on Twitch.tv.com for Warcraft, right when this ends.
Cool.
So we're just gonna watch the finals real quick.
I think this looks like it's about to be over, like, right now.
And then we're gonna check out the Classic Plus stuff.
DLSS 5 for a while forever. I guess we'll see. Yeah, it's on the wow stage, perfect.
Savics is dying on his way to Valorant at level 4. Sounds about right.
Okay, cool. I wanted to get here a little early. I was supposed to start at 115,
but I wanted to get here to make sure the audio was set up. The audio has been the toughest part.
Dude, we have been just, just doing our thing, man, back and forth between like, I've been on
five computers now. One, two, three, four, five computers.
Zara, please tell Blitzer directly while you're there to tell them about a classic UI.
Yes, definitely, definitely, definitely. I played shrewd very briefly.
W's, are you streams? Glad you're enjoying them. You're crushing it. I'm trying my best.
I'm hearing the crowd behind me. I'm not seeing anything on the screen yet.
Looks like they just fork it out.
So Liquid is up 2-1 and...
See what's happening here.
It's hard to kind of tell what's happening.
Alright, so Liquid wins.
So NA, I mean...
I guess had some GGs then.
3-1 GGs!
NA, baby!
Holy crap.
Well, there's that.
I didn't obviously check out the entire,
that's actually the best possible time to tune in.
So massive grass over the liquid.
And they went again, Pika, and they went again.
I can kind of show you guys what I'm looking at
if anyone cares.
This is like the entire crowd here.
This is a peek and boo on the couch right there.
That's where I was just sitting.
We'll be back on the couch later.
So the idea is I'm gonna be bouncing
between this PC for the for the panels to watch the panels and the couch to play
back and forth that's what we're doing
little streamer couch yes sir yes sir I think the couch was Pika's idea he got
the like couch in his head that he really really wanted to be on a couch it's
like all right we're gonna couch it up then
Can you tell them to make a toggle for the UI?
I would be absolutely ideal, bro.
That's what I want.
That's what I want.
That would be so good.
That would be so nice.
Guys, how much ambient noise does this mic have?
Like, yeah, you guys can hear that crowd, right?
Yeah, it's probably crazy.
It's probably crazy.
A lot.
Yeah, it makes sense.
Okay.
When I'm doing the react them, what I'll end up doing is just muting it like that so that
you guys can actually hear stuff.
And if you need the audio up or down, let me know when it starts.
I'm trying to lock it in perfect.
loud if I get close to the mic cool. Dude that's legendary.
Hello, hello everyone. I am here with team Liquid, our new BlizzCon champions. All right,
All right, well, Seve, you guys have had an incredible year.
You just came off a win of Race to World First, and now you are BlizzCon champions.
How does this moment feel to you?
It feels amazing.
We've been chasing a tournament for a few years now.
We've been so close so many times, and being able to finally accomplish it in front of
a massive crowd on the land advantage, it just feels awesome.
Thank you, guys.
All right, yips.
How is that audio?
Is it good now?
You guys obviously have such an incredible friendship
and incredible bond.
We can see it on the screens.
We can see it here in the room as well.
What does it mean to share this win with people
that you have shared such highs and lows with?
I mean, these guys have been my friends for so long,
and it's probably the best you have ever played on.
And we're also good to be each other,
and we're kind of like a family.
So it's just amazing to be on stage
and be able to win with everyone.
It's awesome.
You love to hear that, man, and guys, if you know, Yipz is a rank one PVP as well.
He's got some legend.
Yipz is sick.
How many flags of Team Liquid supporters there are?
How does that feel?
It feels amazing.
We've been here for one month and it's just been continuous support from start to finish.
From the race to MDI, there's so many people being so nice and friendly.
It's awesome.
Thank you, everyone.
All right, speaking of one month, you've been staying at hotels, Airbnbs.
I know some of those competitors have been practicing in the internet cafes.
How does it feel to finally get a moment to rest?
Amazing, I'm going straight to bed.
Well deserved, well deserved.
All right, I'm coming to you.
We are back here on the desk, but oh, sorry.
All right, please continue.
I got one more, one more, hold on.
Are any final thoughts for me?
Anything you want to say to the folks watching back home?
I mean, just thank you for the support.
All it's been so many years.
I've been chasing this feeling.
And there's like nothing better than doing to you
a lot of this going in front of like amazing ground.
Thank you for the energy.
Just thank you all.
I've nothing else to add.
This words can't describe this feeling.
All right, one more time.
Let's hear it for Team Liquid, our MDI, LISCOI champion.
Actually, the perfect time to tune in to MDI.
And why after this guys, we're getting into the wow forever
I do have a special guest as well.
We've got Kyle Heartline.
He is our lead World of Warcraft designer
and he wants to say a few words as well.
Woo, that's okay.
I've almost fallen on that stage
if you said that I come on over here.
All right, we came from humble beginnings with MDI.
You and me, the whole crew backstage.
How does it feel to finally have MDI
back on the BlizzCon stage?
It's about time.
and we've been dreaming up MDI ever since then and it is such a treat to have it back here on the stage, players from all over the world, and all the fans out here, thank you so much for your support and your love, and we'll keep this going for as long as we can, you bet.
back. And it's just an honor to be here representing the hundreds of people that
work on wow behind the scenes. Thank you so much. And we won't let you down.
All right, anything else you want to add? Let's just give it up one more time for
your winners, liquid.
All right. Now we're back on desk. Honestly, I've just been so excited to even just talk
about and relive that moment.
All right, guys, they're back on the desk. I'm going to mute up for a second. This should
turn into the classic plus news in just a second. So we're just going to kind of keep
it muted in the background while we're chatting. Massive Grats to Liquid. That is sick. Yipps,
guys. I just said this a second ago. OG rank one, Feral Truid. We played together back
in MOP. I played against him in MOP. Legend of a Feral Truid. In my mind, Yipz is like,
you know, always one of the goats, Feral Truids. And now he just wins MDI, raced the world
first. It's ridiculous. So it's super cool. Crasty Yipz and the team. Really, really cool.
He's casting on the couch right now, Pico's.
Mop, Missa Pandaria, yeah.
Is it gonna be retail news?
Is this retail news?
I didn't think it was. I could be wrong.
I thought this was more classic stuff.
No, it says wow forever on it, okay, and that's gonna start like right now guys or it should
have started 10 minutes ago, so we're we're running late, so it should start like right
now.
I'm gonna double check it's not happening here.
I'm sure you guys would have told me if it was, now we should be locked in and dialed
then.
It should be like right now.
I went to the hardcore panel. Hardcore panel is it 4 to 445 or something like that? A couple
hours from now. Hardcore panel I have from 415 to 5. That's my schedule. That could be
wrong. Hardcore panel is at 230. They're moving everything around on me.
So, trying to hit it all.
Hey Kevin, how's it going?
Sorry, UK time.
I think the hardcore panel is in about three hours.
A little under three hours.
Is it true you ordered a salad
on the steakhouse yesterday?
I got a salad and a steak and a potato.
Yes.
Have I met G-Bay?
Yes.
415.
Okay, after I thought 415.
So in about three hours.
Why are you guys laughing at getting a salad out of a steakhouse with a steak, a salad
and a steak and a potato?
I got the most normal thing ever.
I started with a salad and then I ate a steak and a potato.
I have no idea what's wrong with that.
It was actually really good.
We had a good steak.
It was a big day yesterday, so I sent a tomahawk steak.
We've never had one in my life, but it was like this massive steak. I didn't eat like all day. So we descended shy in Tomahawk
I actually didn't finish the whole thing but almost finished the entire Tomahawk solo, which was like the biggest
steak I've ever seen
legendary
Perfectly normal order. Yeah, we sent the Tomahawk the potato and the salad
Wow solo Tomahawk. I didn't quite solo it. I did not quite solo it. We almost did though
Very, very, very big shake.
Any WoW forever PvP news, we might learn on this panel here.
Price go, thanks on the front.
Can you share with Peekaboo?
No, no, Peekaboo got his own thing, man.
Looking good and healthy, thanks, man.
We actually did have time to hit a workout this morning.
I saw some of you guys in the gym, so that was cool.
And uh, that was nice, got some sleep, I feel a lot better today actually than yesterday.
What's the next panel about?
It's starting very soon, it's about Classic Plus, it's about Classic Forever.
Guys, how do you feel about the name Classic Forever?
I don't know how to feel about it, I don't know if I like it that much to be honest.
It's just a name, it doesn't actually matter at all, it's literally just a name, it doesn't
matter.
I feel like I'm just gonna call it classic plus like it's just so yeah I
don't I don't know maybe I need to get used to it it's just a psychology thing
yeah it's literally just a name it doesn't matter at all but
did they say anything what's gonna happen to sod mop and TBC nothing yet so
we'll figure out very soon hopefully oh man you just love to see it look how
Happy to hear that's awesome
Can you tell them to add a toggle for classic models and animations for retail? Oh, that'd be sick that would actually be sick. Yeah
Imagine taking a person though I play classic plus or I play wow forever
Yeah, classic plus sounds better. I think it's Fritz so there I haven't seen him today. I saw him yesterday
I was watching Savick's stream and he found that you can edit your character out of Barbershop.
Hopefully it's just hair if there's a Barbershop and not like all the other stuff.
But not a fan of that, I think, overall.
Wow, Forever sounds like an actual new game.
Better marketing.
Yeah, maybe so, maybe so.
Have I picked up any merch at the event yet?
No, I haven't.
I actually haven't even seen the event yet.
I've been, we're live, we got in at 7 AM yesterday,
I didn't leave the event till like 8 PM.
So I was here for 13 hours just like either live
or doing events and then today's same thing.
So I haven't even seen the event at all.
I actually kind of want to see if I can walk through later.
Wow, eternal would have been better.
What do you guys prefer?
Wow, forever or wow, eternal?
I don't know if I like either, to be honest.
It's a tough- Names are tough. Names are tough.
Everyone likes Eternal better.
Names are hard. Names are hard.
I didn't know what to name it, but I probably would have just gone with Classic Plus, which is maybe even worse.
Classic Plus is not a game name. Yeah, fair enough, fair enough.
Did I miss the banana? I actually did eat in between the couch we were casting at, and then to this PC I ate an apple and some beef jerky.
Shannon actually packed some beef jerky in my bag, so shout out to Shannon W and she's not even here.
So I ate that and an apple, I got some water, so we're locked in.
Feeling very good.
Classic Plus is the idea, wow, forever is the project. Yeah, fair enough, fair enough.
Okay, so when we're doing the react guys, what I'm gonna do is just...
mute and unmute that's how I was doing before I think that works the best so
that because this the background's got to be way loud right so I'm just gonna
keep every time I say something I'll just mute unmute we'll just listen in
should be good audio
background's kind of fine now we'll see how it is when more people are on the
stage but what's happening on the main stage I would assume I don't know what's
happening on the main stage right now they should be doing the classic plus
panel like right now though right should be yeah the panel should be starting
Should be starting like any second now like right here right behind me
Oh, oh, okay
and new horizons.
Okay, that is epic. That is epic, bro. Like, come on!
I mean that is so cool
Asroth, beckons us back.
To home, to adventure, forever.
Alright, that's the second time I've seen that. I think I've been watched that a few more times.
There's a lot of subtleties there.
like the fire undead is like it makes the original classic warlock undead I
like to imagine duskwood duskwood right I know duskwood it's a dark creepy
forest crawling with spiders and wolves haunted with undead ghouls and
skeletons the guards of the night watch torches in hand patrol dangerous
roads, keeping their eyes out for a certain abomination. There's dilapidated buildings,
abandoned farms. It's a terrifying place. Now, now that you have that image in your head,
let's take a look at the real thing. Let's see it, let's see it.
Boom.
Whoo
There we go, I was gonna say it's a black screen, bro. I don't know classic duskwood here, right?
Darkshire town square around two in the morning. It's awesome, right iconic
Definitely a fan favorite zone. I like how we just talking about is dark or creepy as you remember
When I remember duskwood, I imagine the light of the full moon
Illuminating an eerie cold fog.
There we go!
Whoa, yeah!
Yep!
True!
Yeah!
I'm just gonna let that sit for a couple seconds, yeah?
Alright.
I remember graveyards teeming with skeletons.
the dim warm glow of torches guiding my path.
Thank you. I remember the silhouettes of
terrible creatures lurking in the fog.
This feeling of dread and
danger around every single corner.
And of course, most of all, I remember constantly looking over my shoulder in the Ravenhill Cemetery,
hoping I don't run into this camera and potentially lose another one of my hardcore characters.
I think with graphics, just the toggle is like a big deal.
This is the dust wood that I remember.
And this is what we're so excited to talk about here today.
How with wow forever, we are evolving our timeless world.
But before we jump into that,
let me bring my buddy Jason out onto the stage,
and we'll do some quick introductions.
So, my name is Matt Hainan.
I'm a lead environment artist on World of Workcraft,
and I've been at Blizzard working on Wow for 15 years,
which sounds like a long time, right?
But believe it or not, 15 years ago, we were starting production on Mist of Pandaria.
But don't worry, I've been playing WoW since it launched back in 2004 when I was in high school.
And my favorite way to play WoW is hardcore classic, but I cannot wait until hardcore hits WoW forever.
Hi, my name is Jason Scott. I'm a lead software engineer. I work with the graphics and engine team.
I've been with World of Warcraft for about three years.
But that was after more than 20 years in visual effects and animation for film and television both on the art side and on the technology side
But my personal history of wow goes back a lot farther than the three years have been a blizzard
All the way back to the beta
Back to May 2004
This is my actual wow beta invite. You can see the day
Ah, sick!
Azeroth as you remember it.
Sounds cool, right? But what does that mean?
Well, we wanted to take that original vanilla version of
Azeroth and combine it with the version that lives in our heads,
where our experiences, nostalgia,
and our imagination all shape the way that we remember it.
So, how did we go about doing that?
What did that process look like?
Well, first, we started by looking at
all the content coming to WoW forever. We knew that we were going to have a bunch of brand-new
zones that players had never seen before, like the Zephyrus Isle, starting zone for the new
Skyborne Race, which is still playable here today if you haven't checked it out. It's literally right
back there. And then we have the River Glaze, another brand-new zone coming to the coast
of the Eastern Kingdoms right next to the Red Ridge Mountains. Players will probably check
check this out around the mid, you know, level 30 area.
And then we knew that we wanted to expand
and alter some of our existing areas.
Like how the city of Dalaran is now fully present
right here next to the Altrack Mountains,
no longer hiding in its purple bubble.
And then of course,
I need to see that, that is so insane.
Around 40 of them.
That's Theramore.
So you've probably heard this before.
Well, I wanted to see there more again.
I was sick.
But we consider the world to be our main character.
But I like to consider it as a cast of characters,
with each and every zone having its own unique color palette,
mood, atmosphere, its own essence.
So that created a bit of a challenge for us.
How do we take brand new zones that players have never seen before
and make them feel like something that's always been there?
there while simultaneously take our existing I don't know about that pink
look like a little too pink little too intense into that version that you
imagine so there were two components to making this happen come on fell wood
hurry up there we go our art and engineering teams collaborated to
develop a bunch of new rendering updates for wow forever that would help us
enhance the look of the world. And then of course we would create new art assets to build
out these new spaces, our new zones, our new dungeons, and our new raids.
I wonder if there's an option to turn it on and off.
Changing the world that players have cherished for such a long time has risks. And so we
wanted to make sure that we approached it carefully and responsibly. So we developed
a guiding artistic principle that we followed every step of the way.
Everything must be authentic.
Everything we create, everything we change, everything we add must be authentic.
Authentic to our world, authentic to our art style, and most importantly, authentic to
all the memories that we have of that vanilla Azeroth.
We're not here to change things just for the sake of change.
We know that you all love the vanilla world, and so it's really important to us that we
respect that.
Now, let's take a look at a quick example.
Here we have vanilla Durotar outside the gates of Orgrimmar.
Everyone loves Durotar, right?
Durotar fans, maybe? Okay, cool.
Now, as an artist, it might be tempting when I get
new tech or new tools to go in and just change everything because it's fun and exciting.
As an example, maybe the whole zone changes to have a cool blue atmosphere.
It feels natural and realistic, but that's not Durotar.
Or we could go even more extreme and change the atmosphere to a foggy, green atmosphere.
But again, neither of these are authentic to Durotar.
The correct approach is to go in with purpose and lean in and push the fantasy that Durotar
already has.
Durotar is an arid but vibrant landscape.
of red rock canyons, dry cracked earth, I mean that does look nice, sweltering atmosphere.
It does, I'm a classic guy but that looked pretty good.
Authenticity was so important to creating a Durotar that players remember.
Now, authenticity was equally important or maybe even more important when it came to
creating new assets for WoW Forever.
You see our models and textures are the foundation of WoW's art style and it's an art style
that has changed over the years with every expansion, but for a while forever we wanted
to maintain that iconic vanilla look. There's an edge and grittiness to the way those assets
look, and it just feels like warcraft. So, if we summarize, the way that we created,
Wow, as we remember it, it's a little bit of old and a little bit of new.
We're creating assets that maintain that timeless, iconic look,
and we're bringing in new rendering updates to help breathe new life into our world.
So now, to give us a more detailed look at those rendering updates,
I'm going to pass it over to Jason.
I mean, this seems to kind of work.
Like, it looks pretty good.
Like, I still want to toggle and I like how it looks OG.
They're actually pretty good.
these groupings to help illustrate things.
As I talk, we're going to play some examples.
You have a better idea of what it is that we've done.
There's one more thing.
These aren't just individual items,
individual components that we decide to work on.
Our artists and our engineers collaborated to bring them
all together with the goal of giving us the look of WoW forever.
So let's get into the details.
First, let's talk about Fog.
Fog has been integral to WoW's look since the very beginning, right?
And if we look at some examples from vanilla WoW,
we can use that to understand how we've used Fog over the years.
We've used it in a variety of ways to create zones like this one, a gloomy,
spooky, dark swamp like Dust Wall of Marsh.
Fog helped us create the mood and the ambiance we wanted to provide for the players.
Or, we might create a zone like this one, this one, right, where we use fog to make
a light and airy atmosphere here in Dunbaro, in the mountains around Iron Forge.
We can use fog to create vistas, or give a sense of depth.
And if you didn't know, each zone had its own unique fog created by our art teams.
But if we go back to the beginning, back to the launch of WoW, we use fog out in the distance
for a very particular purpose related to game performance.
So if you didn't know, we have limitations on our view distance or our draw distance
at the beginning.
And that's the distance at which from the player, we're not really able to draw what
else is out there in the world.
And so in order to not really show that to the players, we would hide that in a wall
a fog. And we have some other examples of this. As we stand in the barrens, you should be
able to kind of look over and see into Durotar, maybe a little to Azhara. But we need to be
able to control those sight lines for those reasons. And over the years, we were able
to improve that view distance and work on that fog and improve it, but we didn't want
to be bound by any technical limitations anymore. We wanted to creatively control what we were
were able to show you out in the distance.
And in addition, with fog, we wanted
to have pockets of fog that maybe you could walk through,
we could surround a player, or maybe we
could hide things in the fog.
We wanted to be able to shine light through it,
or have it have shadows, or have it move,
have dust and dirt and particles and texture.
And now all these things can be done in a system
called volumetrics, or volumetric fog.
And so it became our goal to replace
our original distant fog with this new volume fog technology.
And WoW Forever has given us that chance.
Our engineers and our artists have worked together
to develop a system to control fog like we never have before.
I mean, it looks pretty cool.
That sense of creepiness in Dust Wall.
I mean, it looks pretty cool.
I would still like my toggle.
I would still like my toggle.
But it looks pretty darn good.
Like, I would love to game in that, you know?
It was pretty sick.
We can see the effect of wind in a zone.
We can feel the texture of dust.
We can see it sweep across the plains of the Western
Plague lands.
If you didn't know, each zone has its own unique wind as well.
We've also been able to adjust that sight line between the
zones that we were talking about.
Now, when we do stand here in the Barrens, and we do look over into Durachar, we can start to make out flam formations.
We can start to see...
I mean, yeah, like guys, you know me, but like that is pretty cool. Not the line.
I mean, that is kind of sick.
This gives us a sense of the expansive world that we have in Azeroth.
Now, another example of this is back in the Wetlands.
I mean, that is pretty sick.
I mean, that is pretty cool.
I mean, some sick editing going back and forth.
I mean, that's pretty cool.
I would still like my toggle, but that's pretty darn cool.
changes in WoW's history. Now in some of these examples you might see rays of
light were commonly called God rays and you can see this really vividly here in
Ashenvale.
These rays of light come from our ability to shine light through the fog in a
process called scattering. You can see this on the path with the lights on the
path as well and the size and the shape of those rays come from what's blocking
the light or simply what's casting shadows into the fog whether that be
from the trees or mountains or anything else. All right bro yeah it looks good
okay I said it looks good. I can bring this kind of imagery to the game so this is a
natural place to go to our second set of technologies lighting right so as you
You saw in Asheville, we have some beautiful new lighting that comes with our new fog.
But in trying to achieve the lighting, we realize there were a couple of additional areas we
needed to adjust.
So I'm going to use some time-lapse footage from the Badlands to help explain what I mean.
So here we have the Badlands in Vanilla WoW.
And we're showing some of the sun and the moon that sets and rises behind the mountain.
At the risk of destroying the illusion, we're going to point out a couple of things, a couple
of attributes to help illustrate what we needed to adjust.
So in order to talk about lighting,
you need to be able to talk about shadows.
In fact, there's two pieces of shadows
we're going to talk about.
So let's start there.
The first is if we look at the mountain,
we see as the sun and the moon go up and down
behind the mountain, you'll see a little bit of some rays
that we had, but they're not really
getting properly blocked or occluded by the mountain.
The second is if you look at the shadows from the tower,
as the moon and the sun change position in the sky,
those shadows don't do anything.
Right?
And in fact, those shadows shouldn't even be there
some of the time because the mountains should be
shadowing as well.
Now, these kinds of qualities came from the fact
that historically, our suns and moons positioned
in the sky did not actually line up with the light
we were casting into the world.
Now, we've known this from the beginning,
and a lot of you knew this, but with our new fog,
This is going to become really, really obvious, right?
And while we did change some of that overwild's history
and get some of the light to change position,
it didn't really change that much and achieve what we wanted.
So now let's look at wow forever.
You can see as the sun starts coming up to dawn
and the light just come popping over that mountain.
I mean, yeah.
We get similar colors from the moon as well.
And you can look at those shadows from the tower
and from the mountain as they're getting properly
cast into the world.
Okay, let's look at another similar example,
this time in Moggore, all right?
Again, the Nila Wow, as it basically was on day one.
And you can see those shadows from the trees aren't moving.
All right?
And again, later on, later expansions,
they did move a little, but not very much.
And now again, wow forever.
So, to achieve this, to achieve this, we need to change a couple of things.
The first thing is we need to make sure everything in our world was properly shadowing, right?
We needed to make sure the mountains, the terrain, the land formations were properly
blocking the light as if it was coming into the world.
And then secondly, we need to make sure that the position of the sun and the moon more
closely aligned with the light that was coming in. Now, there's still some creative and artistic
choices we make, but this is so exciting that it makes the world that much more alive.
But there's another lighting aspect here we have to talk about. With all these new shadows from our
fog, from our terrain, our world had a chance of getting a little bit darker. So let's talk about
what that means. So here in Elwynn Forest, there's always shadows, whether it be from trees or
or something else. So we're going to make sure you see where those shadows are, right?
And what we've done historically is we've filled in those shadows with kind of a flat low level
of lighting called ambient lighting. And that's meant to simulate how light from the sky or
light that bounces around the world fills in the dark areas, fills in the shadows. But that ambient
light never quite accomplished what we were really wanting. You'll see it is quite flat.
If you look under the stable, for example,
it should be significantly darker in there
because there's less opportunity for light to bounce inside.
What we really wanted was a way to calculate
how lighting is bouncing around the world.
When light hits a surface,
it picks up the color of that surface,
or they have less opportunity in a dark area.
This system where we have light that indirectly bounces
or indirectly illuminates something
is naturally called indirect illumination
or global illumination.
So let me show you what that means in a while forever.
Now, when we use our global illumination system
to fill in those shadows, we get such a more natural,
integrated, immersive look, immersive view
to everything that's going in.
You can even see some of the red light
as it bounces off the top of the stables
and hits the sides of the chapel.
You can see green light as it filters through from the sunlight,
filtering through the green leaves
into the shadowed area behind the tree.
And you can see in the stable,
it's a lot more naturally dark, right?
So that there's, because there's less opportunity
for that light to bounce around in there.
So now if we compare these, you can see how it was
with our ambient light versus
with our global illumination system.
You'll see how much more light it brings
as we look at that.
Now, we can actually visualize this.
We have an example from Stranglethorne Veil
and I've added to the bottom left a visualization
of the light that's bouncing in the world, right?
Not the sunlight, but just light that's bouncing.
And you can see as the light bounces around,
it picks up so much green,
you can see little patches of red and brown from the path.
As we go down deeper into the jungle,
you'll see how much naturally it gets dark from the light.
And you'll see patches as the sunlight punches through
and picks up more of that color that's coming through.
This allows our artists to craft the style, the lighting that we want in the zone.
And as we place objects into that environment, they're more naturally reacting to how everything sits.
Here's another example. This time, from the border between the Barrens and Ashenvale.
And this is time-lapse footage. So you can see how our global illumination system changes as the time of day changes.
You'll see as how light starts to come through in the screen right side.
And you'll see it has more and more light bounces around the scene,
picking up colors from the green leaves, the red leaves of Ashenvale,
and just filling in those shadows so much more naturally.
So as you can see, in our world, our light comes from the sun or other lights to be placed,
and then the rest of the dark areas are filled in by the sky and light bouncing around the world
world from our global illumination system.
And we built a custom ray tracer,
built on a mix of existing ideas and new technologies.
And we're very, very proud of it.
But the most amazing thing is, while we've designed this
and it runs on our recommended hardware requirements,
we've been able to optimize this.
And this one's completely on our minimum hardware
requirements as well.
So all WALF Forever players get to enjoy this.
Oh, wow.
OK, let's see how many FPS and stuff you get,
but that's pretty safe.
We traveled down the South Fury River here in Dara.
Okay, yeah, sick.
It's an actual place to go to.
Our third set of technologies, water, all right?
Water is another rendering technology
where we wanted to bring more light to the game.
And there's a few characteristics we wanted to hear.
We wanted to work on the movement of the water
from waves, wind, the flow.
The water's been looking cool, man.
We wanted to work on the color, enhance that,
the look, how light hits it
and the transparency when light comes off it.
And we wanted to work on the reflections,
how and what water's reflecting.
So, let's first talk about-
We need to get closer to the water,
we need to close up here.
I'm gonna have some examples played through
to show some of the controls that we can use.
And we did have some movement in original WoW in vanilla,
but it wasn't quite what we wanted.
And now we can control-
I mean, that water looks absolutely insane.
I was talking to show back about this.
I mean, that water looks crazy good.
the depth of water. We can adjust the wind. Again, we said there's unique wind in every
zone. And so we can pick that up and react appropriately. Right? And we see all these
things that come together to give the different kinds of water life that we want. Another
type of movement we have is the flow of water. And you can see we did have some simple kinds
the flow or movement in the water but didn't really flow as a river. But now in
Laos forever, we can have those rivers flow down as we want them. They move.
Yo, look at that. They've been moving water and land formations.
Retail Andes are going to be jelly of this. Look at that. Look at that.
as it interacts with the environment. Here's another example here in the Red
Bridge Mountains and we see is how big this river is, how the water
completely flows around. And our artists have full control over
this even against gravity because we actually have
some magical rivers in Azeroth that go uphill.
So, but now let's look at the look of the water and again we'll
We'll play some examples of the controls that we can have.
And we worked with art to open up the controls.
We wrote a completely new water shader.
We even had some artists, just some paint-overs to show
oh, you might want to be able to change.
We can affect the density of the water
and how light is absorbed and how it changes the colors
of objects underneath the water.
We can change how light is reflecting
hitting the surface of the water and at different depths
to be able to control the color to give us whatever kind of water we want.
Yeah, this is not a retail, but it probably should be, like this water is insane.
And all right, on to our last part, reflections.
Again, we didn't really reflect anything at the beginning.
We couldn't.
I'm sorry, I have time lapse footage here so we can see even as the time of day changes,
nothing's being reflected, all right?
As always, if we look here in a while forever, now we can properly reflect our entire environment with us.
We can see it as the time of day changes here in time lapse footage, properly reflecting.
We can see it with the ripples and the movement of the water.
Okay, the water's sick. All right, the water's sick. We got it.
Water's very cool.
Now, I should also mention, we can also reflect the sun and the moon.
And this has been a lot of fun for us. We can see again how it was at the beginning and now
we can get these amazingly gorgeous sunrises, sunsets, and moonrises and moon sets as well.
So that covers just some of the rendering technology we've been able to introduce into
WALF forever. So there's so many more areas we've been able to work on but let's look as we put
it back together. Matt? Dude, he crushed it with a water panel there, man. That was clean.
Cool shit, yeah. Very, very, very cool. Well done. All right. One thing I want to emphasize
is that this isn't a filter or a switch that we just flip on and everything looks magically
different. We went in and meticulously recreated the lighting and the atmosphere from the
ground up. We took our original 1.12 vanilla debug client and used it as reference, as
ground truth. We step through every single time of day, from midnight to 2am to noon to sunset to
evening, everything, and try to match and recreate the original vibes that every single zone had.
Now, how about we go through that process together and build our own zone?
So, let's bring back our old favorite dust wood, yeah?
Okay?
Whoo!
All right.
So, here we have dust wood.
There's no lighting, no fog.
We just have flat models and textures.
Like I said before, this is our foundation of vile style.
So let's turn down the lights and just add a little bit of moonlight to the scene.
Here you can see it's dark.
If you're a fan of really dark nights in WoW, this is probably what you've been looking
for.
And, you know, I think it looks cool, but it's not playable.
It's a little too dark, so let's bring in a bit more light.
So we're going to bring in some point lights.
These are lights that go on all of our different sources,
our windows, our torches, our lanterns.
It helps provide some visual breakup, some color
distinction, and honestly, it just looks really cool.
Now, let's bring in that global illumination
that Jason was talking about.
So our moonlight is hitting the ground.
It's bouncing, and it's lifting up our shadows a bit,
adding a bit of color.
But we're missing a whole other component.
We need some fog for our scene.
So let's add a base layer of fog.
So as you can see here, just adding in fog
makes the entire space feel darker.
Your ability to perceive details in those dark areas
just get completely vanished by this thick fog.
Now, let's bring in some of the light scattering
that Jason talked about.
So now, our moon is actually illuminating the fog.
Bro, lots of layers to this stuff, oh, holy crap.
Darkshire?
That looks kind of insane.
Now to add some movement, some variation to the fog.
We're going to bring in some noise
to create that creepy, eerie, moving mist.
But we're not done yet, so we're
going to add in a little bit of ground fog
to really amp up that spooky vibe.
We're getting close to being done,
but now we're going to bring in some of our post-process
effects, some blooms, some color correction, really push things, right?
It looks cool.
It's punchy, it's vibrant, but we've probably gone a little bit too far.
We've probably moved beyond what I would call the wow style.
We have too much contrast.
Can't really see what's going on, so we're going to pull things back.
Make sure it's aligned with an authentic version of desk wood.
All right, so here we calm down some of the saturation, turn down some of the bloom.
of looking pretty good. So let's check it against our original classic version of
dust globe. And now let's flip it back to wow forever. We still have... I mean it is
sick. I personally would turn the fog a little lower. Maybe there's a fog setting
or something. I don't know. It does look very cool though. It's creepy. It's still
moody. It still feels like the place that we remember, but it's really pushing that
haunted spooky tendency. But there's one step left that every artist should go
through when lighting his own, and that's taking the player perspective. It's
really easy to light one shot like this and make it look cool, but it's
important that we run around the game. We look at all the different areas and make
sure things are working cohesively. Like Jason mentioned, here in the open and
running around this looks super sick. As you move into the forest, look at that.
As the canopy is around, there's going to be less light to bounce around.
Things are going to get darker. Things are going to get slimmer.
You might just want to find a torch to carry along with you.
And as you can see here, as you walk out in the farms, in the fields,
we've got more fog, we've got more creepiness.
Who knows what mysteries you're going to find.
Dude, this looks insane.
This is actually insane for all of our zones in WoW Forever.
Like I said, we went through and we tried to authentically recreate the look, the vibe, the mood, the atmosphere,
all the characteristics that make up these familiar places.
And I want to assure you, it's not just pretty sunsets.
Every time of day has a different look, a different feeling.
As long as it's authentic to the original, I think we did a pretty good job.
So as we wrap, Matt and I want to acknowledge we didn't do all this just the two of us.
We had a very dedicated team who were so passionate about crafting all the creative artistic decisions
and all the underlying technology that brought all this together.
A lot of that team is here today, so we'd love it if you'd give them a round of applause
as they're here in the audience.
So with that, we are thrilled that we got to share our effort on evolving the look of
WoW Forever.
And we're so excited for you to be able to go and experience this yourself.
We hope you got to play the demo while you're here at BlizzCon.
We hope you get to play the beta when it's released next week.
We are so excited for you to enjoy it when we launch while forever on November 4th
We hope you find your number one ball in our timeless world of Azeroth. All right. Thank you all for coming
Thank you all
The arena world championship is coming up next. Don't be stupid next AWC up next boys. We're gonna be watching some of that
Okay, dope
So so that was cool. I look look look look guys. I am a classic enjoyer
I like classic graphics. I still want to toggle, but I have to say
That looks pretty darn good I
Have to admit that looks pretty darn
Okay, it looks great. It looks phenomenal. All right. I'm a classic guy though
I really like simple stuff, you know, I just am, I just like it, but dude, I've got to say that looks pretty beautiful, looks pretty beautiful.
Okay, I'll say it, I'll say that much.
We'll see, we'll see what kind of settings they have, like fog settings, isn't that, I might tweak it a little bit, but yeah.
Holy crap.
No, so we haven't talked about PVP, earlier we talked about rule sets and surfers, AWC
next, there's a hardcore panel in two hours and then AWC finals.
So right now it's AWC, hardcore panel and then AWC finals, is that sound about right?
So I think we will check out more WoW Forever into, uh, AWC Finals into, wait no, sorry,
WoW Forever into Hardcore Panel into AWC Finals, that's probably what I'll do.
There's another Forever Panel in 15 minutes, wait, really?
Next Panel's in 6 minutes?
Oh, I will definitely watch that, I did not realize.
It's on the right here, huh?
Mainstage? Great, thank you so much, guys.
Which one's this about?
I have the mainstage up now, and we'll just give it a few minutes.
Okay. This looks like Overwatch stuff, but maybe at some point, see what happens. They're
doing an Overwatch story right now. Okay, we'll go back to wild stage for now. It's at 5.15.
in five minutes okay we'll keep bouncing back and forth sick sick sick sick not
entertaining thanks for the sub brother no medicine makes me sad oh yeah I just
yeah I didn't think about that's right now we didn't see medicine in the ceremony
dude I I think the cinematic is so cool like like upgraded like some of these
upgraded graphics I love but I think for me I just want that classic UI back
You can get the classic UI, yeah, via an add-on, really an add-on, it seems like, which is
fine, but like, I would like a paste line, that would be sick.
We have info about PvP, nothing yet.
Should I join US servers? Uh, sure. If you want. Send it.
Sheer it for something.
Have I met Shiba? Yeah. Graphics are good. Graphics are great, man.
The lack of a classic UI was a floppy need. I think it's still at it, right? Hopefully.
Nice to have you in SoCal, it's nice to be out here man. Although it's pretty caught out here, not gonna lie.
Not gonna be Ford or Ally, probably Ally.
Ally.
DALORAN HARD!
Uh, every time, every time.
Every time.
Dome, Priest, Hype.
I think I'm gonna make a mage, and then I wanna do a Pali and a warrior.
Prop Pally? I played Prop Pally today guys. It was so fun. I played Prop Pally with Deepamoo. It was
so fun. Yeah, Undead Pally. Maybe I'll have an Undead Pally
on No Mage and then like a
Skyborne Warrior or something. I don't even know.
Yeah, I'm gonna play a PvP server, at least for my Mage. I might go PvE on the Paldo if I do one.
The Prop Pally was so fun, man.
Hardcore PvP? Nah, can't do that.
How much does the game cost? So the game is free to unlock the Skyborne area. It's 30
There is no separate sub. You need a wow sub. So if you're subred to a retailer classic, you play the game free with a sub.
So your normal sub, just like era, just like TBC, just like rap, just like mob, whatever.
That's actually fine. Yeah, I actually think, so we've been talking nonstop for the last month or two, how they should monetize.
If there's no shop, we'll see. If there's no shop, I actually think this is fine.
I was expecting a $59.99 box price, so free plus a $30 price for the new raise.
Kind of works. There's a shop though. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see if there's a shop.
If there's a cosmetic shop, then I'm a little sad about that. Not gonna lie.
If there is a shop I definitely don't want oh gosh, I hope there's no shop
Oh, I don't even want to say if there's a shop. Oh, just I hope there's no shop bro. Goodness gracious. I
Really don't want to shop
If there is a shop, oh I hate saying that, but if there is a shop, please no character
power in the shop.
If you keep it to cosmetics only, it kinda works, but I still want no shop.
Let's be real, there's gonna be a shop, yeah, I want some copium, huh?
Okay, gonna keep bouncing back to this, it looks like there's still on this over here.
The shop is in the UI, it's great out, hopefully there's nothing actually in there, we'll see.
What are you guys like, man, we'll have a lot of these conversations when I'm back home,
Like yeah, what do you guys think of all this stuff man?
I was trying to like get online and see what you guys are thinking because I've just been like
I haven't really been like online too much
I've just been like streaming and like on stage on this stage in that stage I can't really tell whatever how everyone's feeling
I'm seeing like lots of W's right now lots of W's. How do you guys feel about transmog toggle?
Like for me, I don't like transmog, but the toggle makes it like kind of okay
I still don't like it, but you know I like I like to just a toggle. You know what I mean
A SDHC character toggle?
Very happy with that.
How do you guys like that toggle?
Like I like toggles, bro!
I like the choice!
If you're gonna make something new, give me the option.
Transmog toggle, SDHC character model toggle.
I like these toggles.
If you're gonna do that, then that's how you do it.
I love it.
I love it.
I love my toggle.
Just like when you played Warcraft 3 Reforged.
Do you want old or want new like I like that. It's perfect
There'll be a toggle in the cash shop I would buy that I
Would buy that I'm not kidding
Are you guys sure there's some panel starting right now?
People said it started at 2.15 and it's 2.17
This is the wild PvP stuff which we are gonna be checking out in a little bit here
Yes, yes, I have it on
Main stage
Guys, this is the main stage right here. It's overwatch live
it's on the schedule this is just running long so this is about to turn
into a classic plus I'm gonna open the schedule right now so 215 to 3 it's
supposed to be World of Warcraft forever found photographs oh I wonder what
that is but yeah you're right it is supposed to be a 215 which is right
No, it's like right it's right after this
Okay
Okay, so I think the plan is we'll watch we'll watch this then with you guys and then
We'll chill for a second and then we'll watch the hardcore panel and then we'll watch the AWC tonight on the finals
He said it was how the elves fit into the lower. Oh
We don't want to miss that. I've been seeing a lot of stuff about people real upset about
Skyborne, so we got to figure out how they fit in the lore.
Like, I think I would have preferred just a high elf.
Like, I love elves, so I'm happy with an elf.
But I think like, high elf is kind of the obvious one.
I'm curious why they went with Skyborne.
What is Skyborne? We're going to find out right now.
Skyborne are high elves. How? They literally are high elves?
Well, that's what I want to learn about. What the heck?
For people saying skyborne are high elves, what does that mean?
Cause like that's good, like I want high elves so I...
Well I know, ogre, I don't know, I prefer elves over ogre.
Ogre could have worked but I think it would have been a little weird too.
The sky is high, they're even higher elves.
They're high born.
I don't think they have arenas, I haven't heard of anything of arenas, it's classic wow, if there was arenas I think we would have heard about it, I don't want to confirm no arenas, but I don't think there's arenas.
Hopefully no arenas, they don't fit.
I'm a big arena guy, but I've told you guys time and time and time again, I do not want arena in classic, because once you had arena, it's sit in a city, queue arena, sweat arena, arena rating, arena ranking.
arena rating, arena ranking, like I want classic to feel like classic and part of that is a
ranking system, not a rating system.
So I don't know, I know it makes a lot of people upset, but as much as I love arena,
I don't want it in Classic Plus.
I'm actually surprised at how many of you guys are agreeing with me right now, because
normally people, you know, very controversial one, I know, but everyone seems to agree with
me right this second, so there we go.
But yeah, I know it is kind of a weird one.
Alright.
Okay, I think this is supposed to be over any second now.
Warcraft Channel, not Blizzard.
That's incorrect.
Warcraft is AWC.
I'm just going to double-check though.
Yeah, so Warcraft is AWC.
It'll be on the main stage
Have I talked to soda about only things three no, but I mean I have in the past not like today
But yeah hardcore
Plastic plus
Will be only things three. I
I mean everyone knows that that's already out. I'm sure so to said that. I'm sure we've all said it only things three will be
Hardcore classic plus
Like right. I mean come on. It's not even leaked. That's just like everyone knows that he hasn't said that
I'm sure he has there's no way. I'm the first one saying this
There's no way. That's a leak. There's no I'm not even there's no way. That's a leak
guys we've been saying the whole time the next only things is in classic plus
hardcore and not only that we delayed only things three to not be in TBC to
push it for classic plus hardcore this has been this is basically been out for
like what six months not breaking news
My phone is ringing, hopefully not.
Only things three could be the biggest wow event ever.
It might be.
We'll see.
We'll see what happens.
I will definitely be checking out Hardcore Classic Plus, but I'll play Normal first, of course.
I want to check out the game as it normally is.
Can you answer on why you don't want Arena in Classic Plus?
Once you add Arena to Classic Plus, the PvP scene starts to just sit in cities and queue arenas all day.
All day classic plus or classic wow is not about sitting in a city queuing battlegrounds
Queuing arenas for raiding and sweating over it. It's about getting out in the world and meeting other people in world PVP
and dueling and
interacting with the world and interacting with other players outside of the cities
So I want people
Getting out in the world. I want people doing
a brawler's guild, a dueling area, talking to people, meeting friends, that's classic
wow.
I'm surprised at how many people are saying WK, I mean there's of course the L takes,
I know it's controversial, but I'm surprised how many of you guys are actually agreeing.
So that's why I don't want arenas, I've talked about this for years now, months, years.
Yeah, like I said if they added it, I don't think it would instantly kill the game, I
I just think it would make it slightly more retail.
It would make it slightly more modern.
It would make it slightly more not classic, right?
I think classic is, this might offend some classic players,
but classic is not a game of skill.
It is a game of preparation.
The more time you put in, the better you do.
Sorry to offend people, but that is the truth.
If you want a game of skill, there's other games for you.
It's a preparation-based game.
A rating ladder does not, should not exist
in a preparation-based game.
The ranking system, as it exists,
like you play more, you get higher rating,
it makes a lot of sense currently.
That's classic well.
So there it is, yeah, no arenas in classic well.
That's how it is.
Just saying how it is, guys.
Fair, WWW, wow.
Normally you guys disagree with me here,
but that's the take.
Having said all that, maybe they'll announce it at this next panel and we're like, oh okay.
Like I said, there's some things that will kill the game for me and some things that
I don't care about.
If they add arenas, it would certainly not kill the game for me.
Absolutely not.
Oh, okay. The world has ruined a little bit, but it's fine. It's not a big deal.
It would just be, like, slightly worse.
Alright, so next up is World of Warcraft.
Found photographs. And I guess that's starting, like, now.
They're 10 minutes late, so I think I'll probably start any second.
More content for everyone equals bad?
Yeah, I mean, I kind of agree with that, right?
Like, say you add in pet battles.
Pet battles is more content.
Does more content equal good always?
No, the right content equals good.
Not just more content.
So yes, yeah, I think that's fair.
Do you want Mythic Plus because it's more content?
Do you want Pet Battles because it's more content?
Do you want Delves because it's more content?
Do you want WorldQuest because it's more content?
Do you want Flying because it's more content?
Do you want- That doesn't make any sense.
You can't just say more content equals better, right?
It has to be the right content.
You have to be very strategic with what you add
and strategic with what you don't add.
You have to say no to some things and you have to say yes to a few things.
And a few things that you say yes to have to be really darn good.
OK, so this should be starting like any second now.
There's also AWC happening behind me.
Dude, it's actually impossible.
I want to see like all of these different content angles, but it's only like so many things we can we can check out here
What would kill the game for me flying flying mounts would kill the game for me
If there was no
Character model swap like if it was only retail models and you couldn't swap the old ones
That would probably kill the game for me like the models are a big deal, but there is a swap. Thank goodness
The UI is a pretty big deal. I'm not gonna lie for me the UI needs to be classic like I'm gonna have to download an add-on
I think like I actually
It is it is a big deal to me. So I'll download an add-on micro transactions in a shop
Micro transactions would only kill the game for me if there was power in it like buying gold or buying boosts
If there was a cosmetic shop, I would hate it, but I would be I
Guess I would be fine with it. It would suck
But I would be like, okay, I guess I can manage but if there's gold gold tokens and booze I would be like bruh
You know that's bad
Well we gore is working forever. I'm sure they will
They're gonna have tokens for sure. I hope not. I really hope not. Housing, probably. I hope not, honestly.
No world buffs, please. Guys, have they said anything about world buffs this weekend yet?
No, oh, okay, so I guess we'll see what they say
About world buffs
Cool Savick's leaked it
Don't don't no, I'll see what they say about world buffs because you know if they haven't said anything then
I guess we'll have to wait and see what they say
I think we're on the right one right now.
We have the panel starting any second.
That's sick.
panel starting any second. That's sick. Why don't I like housing? So I think housing makes a lot of
sense in retail. The reason I think housing makes a lot of sense in retail is because retail at the
at the end of the day is a collection game,
an achievement game, you're getting transmog,
you're getting mounts, you're getting titles,
you're getting achievements, you're getting pets,
and the house gives you somewhere to store all these things.
The classic plus or classic forever
doesn't really have achievements,
it has legacy, which is different.
There's obviously way less pets and mounts
and there is transmog,
but I think a lot of people won't play with it.
So I don't think the system makes as much sense
in a classic landscape, I'm going to turn this on.
I'm Photographs Panel.
My name is Josh Greenfield, and I help lead the content
and narrative direction for WoW Forever.
And my name is Evan, and I'm the lead content designer
on the World Warcraft Classic Team.
Today, we're going to dive into our team's approach
for developing the content, stories, and characters
within this world.
We'll kick things off by talking about the setting of WoW
forever and how it fits into the larger world of Warcraft narrative.
Simply put, WoW forever begins at the same time original WoW begins.
The game contains all of the original quest content from the original game and builds
on top of it.
We will expand upon events, characters, and locations that exist in the original WoW timeframe
to further flesh out the original world.
This is before Kazik reopened the Dark Portal at the start of the Burning Crusade and before
we traveled to Northrend to stop Arthas and wrath of the Lich King.
We are focused on this year one period of WoW's history and we intend to occupy this
space and expand upon it indefinitely.
So this panel is called Found Photographs.
What do we mean by that?
Well, this was a term that was coined by Chris Metzen in our earliest conversations
talking about adding new stories in our season of discovery game mode of WoW Classic.
The simple idea behind found photographs is that most of these new stories are things
that could have happened feasibly during the vanilla era of Azeroth's history, or
again, year one of World of Warcraft.
For the Classic team, it also refers to how we approach the stories as well.
For many of those stories, we also want to maintain original WoW's focus on what we
call local stories. This is things along the lines of unraveling the mysteries and motivations
of the defiest brotherhood and helping Tyrion Fordring rediscover his lost purpose. This
ground level view of localized stories is what makes the world of Azeroth feel large
and textured. We are building these stories just like we used to in the early days of
World of Warcraft. We will have big epic narratives, but we'll tell these stories at the ground
level, and large linear campaigns that focus on major warcraft characters aren't really
our focus.
So what opportunities does found photographs approach afford us?
The first big opportunity, and my favorite as a long time wow lord nerd, is the ability
to glow up existing but perhaps underutilized characters and giving them an interesting
story.
Take the former Paladin, Gregory the Truthbearer, raised into service of the Scourge as a death
knight.
In Warcraft 3, he was a minor named Paladin NPC that went by the honorific title of Sage
Truthbearer and was only featured in a single mission in the Scourge campaign.
We continued his story against Season of Discovery and fleshed him out as a character
greatly, bringing him full circle back to the light.
This is the kind of glow up we'd like to pursue for other characters in the world forever.
We'll also be able to see characters who were active, but off-screen during vanilla.
What were they doing at this time?
Moln Earth Fury of the Earthen Ring is a great example here.
He was the leader of the Earthen Ring, but was largely absent from original WoW.
He will be present in WoW forever and have a role to play in new stories.
We also get to visit places that may have been hinted at or mentioned, but never got
screen time.
Or maybe we go to places that we maybe have seen in a version of WoW, but were presented
in a much different way than we plan to feature them in WoW Forever.
The magical city of Dalaran is a great example here.
Dalaran has always been seen as a flying city in the sky in World of Warcraft, but it wasn't
always flying in the sky.
After being destroyed in Warcraft 3, Dalaran was rebuilt but existed underneath its protected
magical barrier nestled in the Arthurac Mountains for several years.
And while forever, we'll get to see Dalaran and all of its freshly rebuilt glory as part
of the world.
And maybe we'll explore why the protective barrier around it is no longer present.
This segues into talking about the continuity of while forever.
The million gold question I'm sure a lot of people have when it comes to while forever
is how does it fit into the larger while continuity and timeline?
Yes.
What's going on?
that WoW Forever does not exist in the same continuity as Modern World of Warcraft.
Yeah, I think they pretty much have to do that.
So, why do we do this? Well, the main impetus of this approach is to ensure that we have
the creative freedom to do what we want to do with the game without creating problematic
situations that require a direct response in the modern game.
Yeah, you pretty much have to.
This does not mean that we are going to completely upend the foundational lore, especially the
established events from the RTS games. We aren't going to suddenly say, in this universe,
Jaina was a dreadlord all along, or that this game became the Lich King. Our approach to the
new stories we add is to paint inside the lines of established foundational lore as much as possible,
but also to build on what comes next in a way that makes sense, first and foremost, for a while
forever. And to continue on to that thread, let's take a look at our content goals for this project.
When we're looking at the world and discussing what content to pursue,
we tend to break down the content into three categories.
The first is the anticipated.
These are the types of things that you may be aware of,
the things that did not exist in the original release
or may have been inaccessible at the time.
The example shown here is Mount Hygel,
which we've added as a new experience, as a new zone,
for you to explore at higher levels.
More on that in a minute.
These are the comfy and the expected,
The wish fulfillment of seeing some of these places
that you were aware of in the original release
but we haven't been able to explore yet.
If there's a piece of well-known content you really want to see,
the chances are pretty good it's on a whiteboard back at the office,
or perhaps even in production right now.
The second type is something we call new but familiar.
These are the areas with new concepts or stories
that are grounded in locations or with characters
that hearken back to the original WoW in our early RTS games.
These types of content are the things that make surprise players
but really feel like they could have been here all along.
Our goal with this type of content is to craft experiences
that add depth to the world,
but fit seamlessly with taking inspiration
from the rich history of Warcraft.
The third type is something we call the unexpected.
These are new concepts and often involve places or characters
that exist within the Warcraft narrative,
but have not been explored previously.
This is also a category of content
we plan to introduce sparingly.
I'm looking at this category.
We want to be very mindful of what we're adding,
so not to upend the world,
the stories, or the characters,
while still creating the experiences that players want to enjoy.
One of our goals for this type of content
is to ensure that it makes sense within
the greater fabric of While Forever.
So to continue building on that a little bit more,
we've talked about where this idea of found photographs comes from,
the types of content that we discuss as a team,
and the inspirations in our approach to developing these experiences.
So let's take a deeper look at some of the new content
that you can play in a while forever.
Whether you're starting your journey as an orc in the Valley of Trials
or a night elf in Shadow Glen,
there's something new just for you.
New NPCs might greet you in your journey,
they might offer you quests,
and others may offer you training in skills and recipes and professions,
and that's only the beginning.
Part of our team's journey throughout this development
was to incorporate flavorful additions
without, as Josh mentioned,
taking away from the classic experiences we all know and love.
Overall, we've added dozens of new quests, characters and stories
to each of our new starting zones,
along with additional content in every zone for your journey.
And of course, with new stories and new adventures,
comes new rewards.
Each of these moments along the way was handcrafted
by an incredibly passionate team of individuals
with the same love of this world as each of you.
Let's talk a little bit about world travel.
I think the teleprompter probably did an update.
I've had that happen before.
Once you've leveled up beyond your experience,
and production's on, you'll find not only new content,
but new means of world travel throughout the world.
This is an area our team spent a lot of time discussing.
We really wanted to maintain the exploration
and your journey as you navigate the world,
but we also wanted to offer you ways to explore
and change the way that you play.
So what do we do here?
As you can see on the screens,
some of these locations might seem familiar.
In total, we've added three new ship routes,
encouraging exploration,
questing in new areas throughout the world,
and really leaning into the approach for social play,
which is an incredibly important pillar for this project.
The first time we've just seen it here is a connection from Stormwind Harbor to Aberdeen.
Humans and night elves and you dwarves and gnomes in the audience were a deep-run-tran
enthusiast.
Now you can rejoice.
You can now play with your friends throughout starting zones together, whether spending
hours or perhaps avoiding several corpse runs reaching one another.
The next we have is a three-part stop.
This new route begins in Yenifil and is on the south shore before arriving in Aberdeen.
The last here is located in Steam Weedle along the eastern shores of Teneris.
Now when Josh was talking about found photographs, we're often asking questions about the world
itself, the characters, and locations.
These can be questions like, you know, what is the Steam Weedle cart held up to?
Are they expanding their operations?
And where might this ship take us?
And perhaps this ship takes us to somewhere new.
So thanks to our friends in Steam Weedle, our new adventures await across the sea in
a brand new zone.
And today, our team is very excited to welcome all of you to the River Glades.
River Glades hype!
Okay, so you take the boat over to River Glades from Steam Weedle.
What the heck?
The River Glades is an expansive new zone, roughly the size of Stranglethorne Vale, with
is an expected level range in the mid-30s to mid-40s.
The zone itself was built in an area that existed in the classic world
but was previously inaccessible,
and so we decided to fix that.
When you enter the zone,
the first thing you'll notice is the incredible level of detail
are artists and world builders and sound designers
put into creating a zone that fits seamlessly in the world.
For those of you who have played through Red Ridge Mountains,
A new fork to the burning steps awaits your new journey into the River Glades.
While this zone has diverse biomes and creatures throughout,
it also blends seamlessly between each of the nearby connecting zones.
These null camps that you see on the screen here,
they're not just a presence, but a continuation of the world's story.
Now, when we talk about integrating content,
it's not just about carrying the stories or creatures over
from one zone to the next, but it also presents those opportunities.
This is one of our new POIs,
where an ogre clan has established their presence,
and in questing, you'll meet them and other characters and factions along the way.
In total, we've added nearly 200 new quests to the zone,
with stories for both Fortnite Alliance players.
You'll experience new cultures throughout the zone,
like the powderfused goblins who run this powderfused port,
and enemies like the Twilight's Hammer,
whose presence is felt throughout the zone
in areas like Sunnyglaid, a callback to Warcraft's history.
And of course, launching your adventures from areas like
Raghmar for the Horde,
and Farhold Keep for the Alliance,
where you'll encounter one faction in particular
dating back to early Warcraft, the Brotherhood of the Horse.
The Riverglaze is a blending of inspiration from classic historical events,
new beginnings and stories integrated into our living world.
And most importantly, to us,
it's a love letter to all of you,
to our players and to those who brought this world to life more than 20 years ago.
But this journey doesn't stop here.
Beyond our new zones,
our team spent a considerable amount of time going back to our roots,
examining zones like the wetlands among many other areas in the world.
Part of this journey was simply to explore
the possibilities without taking away from these areas
and what already existed.
And for areas like wetlands,
we found opportunities to build on the characters and the stories
within without disrupting what exists.
For wetlands, we've added all new content, including over 25 new quests,
and providing new opportunities to discover new stories and characters
and new leveling paths in your leveling journey.
Alongside areas like the wetlands,
we've also updated areas like desolates,
where new Centaur Faction Quests await,
also included new rewards.
Centaur Faction Quests, why did we get something with that?
Breathing life into the spaces that weren't used previously,
but they were waiting for us for a moment that felt like it
was the right time to create something new.
For new stories to be told.
And now, if you continue your Centaur Questing journey
and make your way all the way down
into the south of Desilis, a new journey awaits.
Chandra Loss.
We've added gender loss to the south of Desilis through the Valley of Bones.
This new area offers diverse questions and new quests to explore to reach great history
of Elderful Loss, its stories, and their people.
We felt it was important to bring this zone to life, and the stories we wanted to tell
that made sense within the fabric of welfare.
Wait, where is this on the map?
Under Desilis?
We felt it was important to include Highjoll, not Highjoll, as one of our new zones, and
opportunity to explore new stories that make sense within this project. Here you'll explore
the aftermath of the battle for Mount Hygel. You'll meet new factions and build relationships
along the way. You'll work with new allies. And you'll encounter all new enemies and areas
throughout the zone.
Bro, bro, bro, bro, I need to get there, man. Holy crap. I can't play.
start to see where this journey leads you. So changing gears a bit, let's talk
about one of our new race and class combinations, the Forsaken Paladins.
So while Forsaken Paladins are far from our only new race and class
combination, we did want to take a few minutes to give them a bit of special
attention. This is an especially exciting part of the lore for us, and I'll admit, as
a Paladin made myself, it's something I've been waiting to jump into for several years.
The story of the Forsaken Paladins rolls directly off of the new Warcraft 3 campaign,
Forsaken Kingdom. This campaign deals with the initial struggles for the Forsaken to
find their footing as a people while the threat of the Scourge and the Scarlet Crusade looms.
We don't want to spoil too much of that campaign or the story or the characters, but suffice
to say there's some direct connective tissue here that we will explore in WoW Forever.
When WoW Forever begins, we find the Forsaken Paladins at a time where they are deeply mistrusted
by the other Forsaken.
You have to imagine that if you were an ordinary Forsaken citizen, the only thing you know
of Paladins are organizations like the Starlet Crusade who have made it their mission to
torment and destroy all undead, including the Forsaken. Making matters more complicated
is the fact that some former paladins who are raised into undeath don't take the transition
well. The act of channeling the light is almost maddeningly painful for the undead, which
is part of why it is so hard for some to adjust to life as a Forsaken Paladin. Some of these
These maladjusted souls will lash out, attempting to destroy or torment other Forsaken until
they themselves are put down.
So when we find our Forsaken Paladin heroes at the start of WoW Forever, they are facing
an uphill battle to get the rest of the Forsaken and by extension Sylvanas to fully accept
them.
One of the new locations we'll visit in WoW Forever is Banderi.
This keep is in the formerly unreachable northwestern area of the Tirisfil Glades called the Whispering
Wood.
Forsaken Paladins will be directed here around level 10 to start familiarizing themselves
with Bandarian Keep and will receive most of their class quests from this location.
And of course, no Paladin is a true Paladin without their trusty scheme.
Oh my gosh, are you kidding me?
And the paladins that stand there and keep are no exception.
Also, Forsaken paladins will also embark on their very own Epic Mount quest at level 60
as well.
Wait, that's not the Epic Mount?
That's the 41?
Well, that looks Epic.
Whereas the Alliance paladins claim their Epic Charger in the name of Redemption, Paladins
the Forsaken, right in the name of the Retribution.
Oh, that looks epic.
Okay, okay, okay.
Yeah, that looks sick.
That looks so cool.
some look at some examples of that anticipated and a new but familiar category of content.
Let's take a look at something new and totally unexpected.
The Skyborne and their home in the clouds, Zephyr Syne.
Okay, what's the lore?
What's the lore here?
I think it's best to start by talking about the history of this new race.
The Skyborne are a race of high elves that call themselves the Shindor Eye or the Hidden
Sother High Elves.
Their history starts in the ancient kingdom of Eldrithalos, which we now know as Diarmall
in the immediate aftermath of the War of the Ancients.
A group of concerned citizens united to oppose Prince Tortheldron and his plans to harness
increasingly dangerous amounts of demonic energy to sustain the hide-worn of Eldrithalos.
Having just seen the destruction caused by the War of the Ancients, these rebels rose
up against the prince to try and prevent him from completing his grand design and throwing
the kingdom into darkness forever.
The rebels' interference cost Thortheldron dearly and prevented him from realizing his
full plan, but it was a period victory, and ultimately the rebellion ended in defeat.
Forced to flee Kalimdor to escape the terrible wrath of Thortheldron, these wayward elves
spent years on the open sea, pushing ever westward into the unknown.
Eventually, the rebels ran aground on an undiscovered land ruled by ancient primordial elemental
spirits.
With Tortheldron's fleet close on their heels, the Desperadels were forced to strike a bargain
with a group of wind spirits who lifted an enormous landmass of this island into the
sky in order to escape Azeroth entirely.
In powerful elemental magic, these wind spirits anchored this floating island in the realm
of air, Skywall.
Safe and hidden from the vengeance of their pursuers, the Sky Lawrence spent thousands
of years building a small but vibrant civilization hidden in a corner of the elemental plane.
The elemental plane has been a core part of Warcraft history since the earliest Warcraft
games.
We visited it in various realms and other versions of World of Warcraft as well.
For a while forever, we were excited to go to Skywall and experience this place through
a slightly different lens.
The Shindorai as a people have gone through many changes over the past 10,000 years of
existence in the elemental plane.
Much like their high-elven cousins who settled in Quel'Thalos, the Skyborn developed their
own unique physical characteristics after being suffused with the magic of Skywall.
They are more life and agile than their Caldorae ancestors, and the magic of the elemental
plane has had other effects on their physical characteristics, such as hair color, eye color,
as well as skin tone.
When we find them at the start of WoW forever, the skyborne have been thrust abruptly into
crisis.
After thousands of years living alongside their elemental benefactors, the wind spirits have
suddenly vanished.
For the first time since arriving in Skywall, the Skyborn must now fend for themselves.
The absence of the wind spirits has also thrown the magic that folds Zephyrus together in
turmoil.
The ancient pylon structures that anchor Zephyrusisle into the realm of Skywall have
begun to falter and fall into disrepair, causing portions of the island to fall into
ruin and darkness.
In this period of turmoil, several factions have gained traction and are vying for control
of Zephyr-Sile. The wind shapers are the shamanistic spiritual leaders of Zephyr-Sile,
and they are one of the playable factions of Skyborne. This is the faction that will
ultimately side with the horn. While all Skyborne on both factions can be warriors, druids, hunters,
and robes, only wind shaper Skyborne may be shaman. This is to reflect the deep connection
that Skyborne-Shaman have with the elements and the now departed wind spirits. By contrast,
The High Order are the more pragmatic and forward-thinking faction, and they see the
departure of the Wind Spirits as an unprecedented opportunity for the Shindorai people to truly
be independent. And this is the faction that will ultimately side with the Alliance.
The members of the High Order are the proud descendants of the Highborn Magisters who joined
the rebels when they fled from Elzethalos. And thus, the ability to play as a mage is restricted
to high order skyborne only. Lastly, we have the Alaketh. The Alaketh are a cult dedicated to
the worship of Alakir the Windborn. The Wind Spirits rarely spoke of Alakir in their time with
the skyborne, making the elemental lords something of a taboo mystery. Some among the skyborne,
however, were able to use their shamanistic sky site to peer across the elemental plane
and gain a glimpse of the terrifying might of this elemental lord.
Tempted by power, these Shindorai broke with the rest of society
and dedicated themselves to the service of Alakir.
Emboldened by the departure of the benevolent wind spirits,
the Alaketh have risen to prominence, using the crisis to stoke fear
and seize control of a large portion of the island.
When we find them in Walforever, they are an ever-growing threat
to the already fragile piece of Zephyrsa.
So, while we want to keep most stories firmly grounded on Azeroth,
we felt it was important and exciting
to be able to explore Skywall a bit more.
And a starting zone is a great opportunity for that.
Zephyrsa is not a major fixture in the world,
and it's very self-contained.
You aren't going to go here every week to raid
or to farm materials.
This is an example of how we plan to sparingly and respectfully
create new and totally unexpected content in WoW Forever.
I appreciate that.
So before we wrap up talking about Zephyrus,
I want to call attention to the screen.
So this is the final in-game map of Zephyrus Eye.
And here is the original sketch that Chris Metzen drew up for Zephyrus
after our first meeting talking about the project.
That's in W. Sick.
He was very stoked and he sent this to me very
excited. As someone who remembers reading the original WoW or original Blizzard
game manuals and seeing Chris's sketches in these, I can say it was
definitely a surreal and geek out moment when he sent this over to me and we
thought it would be cool to share with you guys. Very very very cool. And dude,
okay so high elves, they're basically high elves. I don't know why they've been
So speaking of sharing, we thought it would be fun for us to go on a little adventure together.
So we are going to go off script a little bit, and we're going to dive into a conversation
between the two of us and a few thousand of our closest friends here today, and we're
going to talk a little bit about the development of WoW Forever.
And so to kick that off, we're going to jump right in with our first question for Josh.
me a little bit about how the learnings from Season of Discovery were applied to this project.
Good question, good question.
So in Season of Discovery, we did a lot of work to try and tell stories in a very classic
way in a way that felt very diegetic to the world.
And I mentioned earlier talking about blowing up existing characters like Gregory the Truthbearer
and Annas the Vindicated and following their stories as they sort of, there was a backdrop
of this legion invasion, and they came together to rediscover the light together and stave
off that adventure. Well, telling those stories at the ground level, focusing on those two
characters, that is very quintessentially vanilla. And it was something that we leaned
into heavily. We studied a lot of original WoW. We played through all of these classic
quest chains we knew and loved to create those types of stories. And we want to bring that
forward into wow forever. A lot of the quests from Season of Discovery are things that we
are sorry a lot of the questions and quest lines in wow forever are things that we started in Season
of Discovery and carried forward. You know speaking of kind of like the the journey that we were
talking about earlier. Can you tell us about the development journey of the something like the
of river blades, it's so grounded, it's so vanilla-wow.
Absolutely, where do we begin?
I'll take you all on a little bit of a journey,
a little bit of behind the scenes about our development process.
So when the zone was, we were first looking at zones,
what areas do we want to develop for this project?
And there was this piece of land on Eastern shores
of the Eastern kingdoms, and it had never really been developed.
It did exist on the map.
If anybody wants to go look at that, you can find that.
And that started a discussion.
We have a lot of discussions on our team.
And that was, what could we do with this area?
And that led to discussions about how could we, you know,
how stories from certain zones tie into this,
whether they're connected or other areas of the world.
And that led us to one of our world builders, you know,
coming up with a couple, you know, ideas for the zone.
It started as a few different biomes.
We weren't sure if we wanted to have it be one single zone.
It's a very large zone.
It's about 30 chunks,
which is roughly the size of Stranglethorn.
And ultimately, we did land on making it a single zone.
And that led to a lot of other discussions about, well, now
that we have our zone idea, what kinds of stories do we
want to tell?
And that was a very long discussion, a
months, months long discussion.
And we whittled down about 10 or 12 ideas, I would say, to
a handful.
And those ultimately became some of the stories that all of
you will get to experience in the River Glades today.
Yeah, we bounced a lot of those off of Chris Metz and very
early on.
And he was really excited to kind of revisit some of these places
that we've seen in the earliest Warcraft games,
even for a single mission, like someplace like Sunny Blade.
Super cool to go back there.
A lot of us just feel like when you're there.
Continuing on the topic of the journey.
Evan, why don't you tell us about how we went about choosing
which level bands to include new content.
Because that was something we really
wanted to make sure that we rounded out the world.
Tell us about that.
No surprise to anybody here.
a lot more discussions. What we do is we have discussions all day every day. It's great because
it gets us thinking about why do these decisions matter? How do they impact the player experience
for something like Riverglades? A lot of it really came down to that we wanted to provide players
not only a new zone to explore with new stories but a new level band so you don't have to stay in
the areas that you're already familiar with and that's part of the journey that we wanted everybody
to be able to take on their own or you know if you want to explore the new areas you can if you
If you want to stay in the old areas, you can do that as well.
And it was a blending.
And the blending of the stories from one zone to the next
also coincide with the level-bending for the spaces.
So if you're in Spangled Horn, you want to level there.
Great.
If you want a little bit of a break,
you can now go experience an entirely new zone with hundreds
of new quests for both factions.
And we're not talking just only about riverglades as well.
When we look at areas like wetlands and spoilers,
there's some areas of northern Kalimdor
that might have new questing as well.
all of this is intended to help give you more opportunities to
not only explore these stories, but change the way that you level.
I think there should be some of us that are on the way to 60s for some time.
And we wanted to give you different opportunities to play
the way that you'd like to play.
Right now there's just a lot to do with that hearing.
And seeing it through a different lens each time is really exciting.
And it's been a joy to level a bunch of different characters on our internal tests
and kind of take a different route.
You know, I think vanilla players, right?
like we kind of have our route we like to go.
It's the comfy kind of butt groove in your leveling process.
And we were able to kind of upend that a little bit.
It was a lot of fun.
So when we're talking about level banding
and all the zones that we want to introduce
and all the new content that we're going to create,
tell us a little bit about what kinds of,
how we approach those big story moments.
Yeah.
So I talked a little bit about telling stories
in a sort of vanilla way or a classic way.
I think one of the things that we all,
I'm gonna speak for everyone a little bit here,
I'm sorry, and say that I think the things most people
agree is awesome about original WoW
is the mysteries it created.
I don't know about you guys,
but I remember in like 2006,
watching a grainy video of the first guy
to go through Scarlet Monastery
with a corrupted Ashburner on his back, right?
That stuck with me.
He talks to Fairbanks,
he learns about Darian Mograin and Outland,
And I spent kind of years, I feel like,
wondering where that was going to go
and how that was going to play out.
I think the unfortunate thing about 2026, however,
is that a lot of those questions in the intervening years
have been answered.
And so what we're really trying to do with something
like, wow, forever, is create opportunities
for new mysteries for everyone.
How did the brotherhood of the horse end up in the river
clades?
Like, what was their motivation?
How did the Boulder Rock ogre clan,
how did they end up, you know,
they were a part of the Twilight's Hammer,
a little bit spoiler, sorry,
and how did they end up on their own?
And what will that mean in their interactions with the Lord?
I don't know.
And so creating those new mysteries
is really important to us.
So when we're talking about all this stuff
and we're in the office and we're talking about ideas
and we're planning for current and release
and future content, it provides us a lot of opportunities.
So the last question I wanted to ask today with Josh, no pressure.
What does the future hold for a while forever?
Oh, boy. So, you know, I think if you're,
you know, if you if you're playing the beta next Thursday and you're
feeling a little adventurous, maybe you might want to try and do a little bit of
a corpse run to the entrance of a place called Grimbatal in eastern
wetlands.
If you end up there, you'll notice a maybe potentially notice anyway,
A much larger red dragon presence outside of the red dragon.
I'm not sure why. I don't know what that's about.
Anyone have any opinions about that?
I don't know.
I think you hinted at this a little bit, Evan,
but talking about some zones that we've also added more things to,
such as Ashara.
I've even talked about it a lot.
We gave Ashara quite the blow-up, too.
Azhar, don't be here, let's go!
I will say though, there's perhaps a crater-sized hole in the content of that zone.
And I'm wondering if maybe at some point we might feel that.
I don't know.
What does that mean?
Fill the crater in Azhara!
What?
You know, we got about the rest of the time we have for today.
We hope that all of you enjoy this discussion and you can't wait to invite all of you to come play this journey with us
throughout Azeroth on behalf of myself and Josh, the classic team, and the World of Warcraft
team. Thank you all very much. Enjoy the rest of your BlizzCon. We can't wait to see you in Azeroth.
Thanks.
No, there we go.
OK.
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Yeah, I was trying to not talk too much,
because the mic is obviously picking up a lot from out here.
So that's just going on.
That's just going on.
OK, so first things first, let's talk about the SkyBorn.
It's the most controversial and the most interesting.
So, Skyborne are high elves that were afraid of the prince in Dire Maul and they bounced
out thousands of years ago.
Do we have any lore experts?
Did this actually happen or is this kind of, are they just saying it happened?
Was this in any of the Warcraft games because I don't remember that?
Was this any, anything?
They're just kind of saying it.
So it's new lore, which is fine, like he's, like they started off with.
This is not necessarily in the same universe and needs to respect the same lore that retail
does.
Right?
Yes, it did.
Yes, it did.
Chris Messon did.
What do you mean by that?
So because Chris Messon said it did, you're saying it did.
Because Chris Messon can make up whatever he wants because he's Chris Messon.
Is that what you guys are saying?
I mean, sure.
Sure.
I guess everything is made up and Chris Metzen made it up, but I was wondering if it was made up a long time ago
Or if it was based on anything or that way regardless their high elves
There are there are a breed of high elves that are now in the sky with a little more elemental power
That's fine. I mean, I'm fine with that. I know a lot of you guys might not you know, whatever I like elves
I like high elves. I think I would have preferred
just
High Elves to be honest
But this is good enough like I you know, this is good enough. I'm fine with it
I'm fine with it, but I think I would have preferred High Elves
What else what else what else what else did we just watch sky born lower underpinnings
Fog yeah fog looks good
SD models, graphic updates, no that was from the last panel.
Just right now, what else did they talk about?
We haven't heard anything about PvP.
Nothing.
What the heck?
Wait, that was the last panel, right?
There's a hardcore panel, but there's nothing else.
Wait, are we going to learn anything about PvP at all?
So the new zones, River Glades, Alex Cool, I mean we don't know too much about it.
Them adding quests, it's sick.
Um...
Yeah, I mean to learn more about PvP in a sec.
Any idea what will happen with SOD characters? We don't know what's gonna happen to SOD characters.
We don't know what's gonna happen to MOP characters, and we don't know what's gonna happen to TBC characters.
I want to know about this stuff.
Wait, is there any other panels?
Happening, I'm pulling up the schedule one sec.
Schedule.
day two. Hard core and that's it.
So what the heck? There are high elves calling themselves Skyboard and watch your Skyboard gameplay
Guys, my question wasn't, did they make up New Lore?
My question was, was it based on anything
about the Lore in the past?
Was there anything in the past that hinted at it?
Was it there somewhere?
Old Lore revisited, yes, no, no, no, yes, no.
When I get back home, we might need a deep dive on this
when I'm at my actual setup and I can hear and think.
But yeah, I'm trying to figure out if there is anything.
What is it?
Link it to me, I want to learn about it,
because I feel like I haven't heard about that at all.
Boats, can we talk about boats real quick?
Boats, massive W.
Boats are sick.
You have more boats increasing mobility
without flying, without portals.
You still have to run to the boat.
It's still a process, but you get to meet people along the way.
You get to talk to people.
It's faster, but it's still slow enough to keep slow pacing.
I love that.
Couple extra boats for Chilla.
Steam Weedle, Stormwind, and South Shore.
So sick.
Sick, sick, sick.
um yeah dual spec should be a thing
what do i think about gdkp not a big fan
bro that's bean uh bean sponsored his own team field bean i think that's what's happening
this is the uh the awc which we're gonna do a watch party for the awc soon here but uh panel
panel is starting and the hardcore panel is starting in one hour and I want to watch that.
So I don't think I'm going to go back on the couch yet because I want to see the panel,
the next panel.
Ishar Crater is a PvP battleground.
We're already getting a new PvP battleground so I don't know if they're going to make
a second new one, maybe.
I mean I have heard of the Ishar Crater, it was supposed to be like a, almost like a MOBA.
No world buffs and raids.
I hope that's the case, but we'll see what they announce here.
They haven't told us anything about world buffs on the stages yet, so we're going to
wait and see what they say officially and lock it in.
Did that mean G-Vay?
Yes.
Next panel in one hour, yeah.
I'm actually curious what they're going to talk about on Hardcore.
Can I activate Transmod for me and deactivate it for others?
Yes, I actually think you can do that, which is kind of weird though.
That's just like weird.
Guys, I'm not leaking anything.
I'm not leaking anything. Get out of here.
Will you start off with a hardcore character? No
Actually hardcore is not even out at the start. I don't think but even if it was no
I'm gonna play normal first and I'm gonna I'm gonna play hardcore after
Now I want to play normal Wow
Yeah, definitely definitely hardcore later same thing with TBC like if we did hardcore TBC
It would have been after launch. Okay, starting with hardcore socks. I don't want to I want to do normal first
H.C. the latest piss? Well, yeah, like you want to, if you've never experienced the game,
you might as well experience the game itself first and then try it on hardcore after. Oh
Oh yeah, I want to do some World PvP too.
Should be fun, very fun.
We need self-hound that release, that would be cool,
that would be cool.
Mad Dark Souls gives me hardcore from the start
and I don't know what's coming.
Yeah, have fun playing hardcore Dark Souls as a first timer.
What? Absolutely not, bro. That'd be awful.
Yeah, absolutely terrible.
Yeah, like, first time we're seeing it like a thousand times.
Is there a restart?
Jeez, Louise.
For the Skyborne lore, give the Thunderfury questline another read-through.
Can you give me specifics so I don't have to like go searching for it?
Or is it literally just the Thunderfury quest?
Because yeah, I'm very curious on if there's any standing lore with the Skyboy.
I'm very curious. If anyone can take, you know, point me towards it, send it to me on Discord or chat.
Like, it would be really cool if there is anything.
I would like if there was something.
You know, if it's all made up, that's fine too.
They already said, you know, they're gonna do that.
Right, so there's almost zero standing lower. Yeah
I'm gonna grab a water give me ten seconds
What are you eating these days at BlizzCon?
I haven't had a ton of time to eat, so I've been mainly fasting and then eating a massive
dinner.
We've just been full-sanding, man.
Anything about PvP?
Nothing yet.
Nothing yet.
We're waiting to hear about PvP, world buffs.
What else are we waiting to hear about?
So does not streaming days flying back home to get back to GTRP hardcore coming up very soon
Any thoughts on Skyborne Racial for PvP?
Seems pretty good, but Yorika as a gnome seems even better.
How is your mic so good?
Is it actually good?
I'm happy to hear that.
I'm sick.
What mic is this?
I can't I can't read what brand this is
yeah I don't even know what this is what's I got
Fifine, F-I-F-I-N-E, Fifine Mike.
Yeah, it's not bad.
Ah, today at Barbers, someone said they did, yeah.
What you taking, rule sets?
They seem really good, like really good.
No more realms, you have a rule set instead,
you pick your rule set and you log in.
Simplified, easy, you can play with anyone.
Same realm, just like realms are kinda,
yeah, I like them a lot.
I like them a lot.
What class combo are you gonna main?
Honestly, Eureka looks so good on a gnome.
I was gonna go Skyborne because I love elves.
I was gonna go Skyborne Mage, but Eureka looks so OP.
I might go Gnome Mage, because I like gnomes too.
So I'll do Gnome Mage, and then my ult will be a warrior,
probably a human warrior ult.
And my third ult will be an undead pala.
Something like that.
Did you see the alliance?
No, I think I'm playing ally.
This game's looking pretty good, by the way.
Is that Gigi?
Yeah, Maro's dead here.
100%.
All right, so Echo 3-1's gilding.
There we go.
So Echo is now in the finals.
Sick.
I don't think we're too shot there.
Was is very happy with that one.
Love it.
Love it, love it.
Are we stalling now?
I was just chatting for a second.
We have another panel to watch in one hour, the hardcore one.
I think it is on the wow stage, correct me if I'm wrong?
Echo, victory, let's go.
Yes, we have one hour to burn until the wow panel.
I have the game right here.
We can play for an hour if you guys want to ask me some questions.
I can log in and play before we go to the next panel.
Let's do it.
Two-bit function as survival.
Now to turn this down very low.
No, I haven't tried a controller. No
Yeah, I'll turn the audio down one sec
Oh crap
I opened two, there we go
frame toggle and interface settings guys you guys are so troll every time you guys spam
that I check and it's not there and then no one spams it anymore it's like guys what's
going on my voice is too loud should be okay I'm gonna fix the in-game settings and I log
again now for the volume being too loud.
All right, are we starting from level 1 or Dungeon?
Dungeon, right?
It's got to be Dungeon.
It's got to be Dungeon.
I played Piley Tank.
Wait, should I try the shaman tank?
I already tried pali tank.
Shaman tank might not be doable until I get a shield and stuff though.
Could try a hunter.
I've already done mage.
I could try a Shadow Priest.
We did a shaman briefly.
I'm trying to think about what I want to play here.
I
Kind of want to try shadow priest. I'm gonna try shadow priest. I
My four classes. I really like our rogue mage
Well, I like five I guess rogue mage Pali
warrior
Priest is that five? Yeah
Let's do let's do shadow priest
Actually, let's do shadow priest as a troll just because I've already played so much undead
Spreece gamer
Let's do it
Okay, let me fix the audio here, 30%, 20%, how was that audio, guys?
Are we good with the audio here?
Are we happy with this?
Hopefully it's not like breaking your eartrums now.
It's good now?
Sick.
I'm trying to get my share of the color, okay, there we go.
Check interface, I promise it says replace frames.
You are absolutely 100% wrong.
Wait, oh my gosh, wait, replace your player unit frame portrait with your class icon.
Okay, whoa, I thought you were right for a second.
Holy crap.
It does say that, but it's class icon.
It's actually kind of a cool setting though, but that's not.
Replace player-frame portraits.
Uh, sure.
Yeah.
Yeah, like I said, 100% wrong.
But,
pulling it up again is fine, just to prove you're wrong.
There it is.
East Club.
We need Classic UI.
Yeah, might just need to be an add-on then.
I'm not gonna lie, that is kind of a cool setting anyway.
I
Do it focus frame is crazy
Damage meet the
There it is right there Zara it's right there, bro
I hope they had one button assist from retail
we'll see. Built-in damage meter, yeah.
Yup.
Okay, we have Shadow Keiron.
Let's go ahead and do our legacy talents
for this so I can get Shadow form.
And then we'll go Shadow Magic.
Let's start reading these and go from there.
It's already a one-button game.
It's classic WoW.
True, actually true.
5% spell hits, stun chance, and fear cooldown stick for PvP, but for PvE probably not so
much.
Spear tap is good for solo leveling, but for Dungeon probably not worth since I'm not
going to be the one getting the kill.
Threats might be okay on Threat too.
Shadow or Pain, range, one point in threat.
Mindflay. Oh, it makes my mindflay slow not as hard. Or high, but it gives it range. Interesting.
Yeah, I think I want that. Reduce cooldown, Vampiric and Brace. Your Shadow Damage spells
have a chance to increase the Shadow Damage you deal. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Reduce fade
cool down, could be good.
Silence could be good.
Devouring play cost.
Targets the diet will spread it.
Oh, sick.
Crease the shot over.
That's critical strike chance.
Shot of damage.
Shot of form.
Shot of damage.
Less threat.
See what?
Looks good to me.
I'm a shot of freeze now.
You don't even have a shot at where death, ah, rip, oh well.
What's the devouring plague CD?
Uh, we'll check and it's just a second here.
Let me throw some key vines here.
Good enough and then we'll throw some stuff on the action bar here
Shot of form
Shout out we're pain and it will queue up the dungeon once we get in there
foam foam
Mind flay foam. I'm very curious how priest feels with
with all these changes because priest traditionally is a lot of like wanding in classic WoW, so
hopefully we can get some more stuff besides that, see what happens.
Missing spells?
Yeah, I'm not done setting up.
Read Pamp?
Yeah, I haven't read anything yet guys, give me a sec, just get a keybinds, quick keybind
mode at f2, mine vision to that, mine control to find f here, so we find inner fire, hit
legacy talents, got him, yosar waving us, someone asked me to wave, I'm waving it out,
It's waving at 360 degree direction.
There we go.
Shot of form looking real weird.
Yeah, it's kind of like see-through.
Mind sooth.
Fade.
Abolish disease.
Purge, powered shield.
Shackle and dead.
Resurrection.
Okay, start dragging everything and then start keyfinding stuff.
Probably don't need any of that.
Heal.
Probably won't need that.
Renew.
I might not even need that, but a healer.
Holy fire, lesser heal, smite, yeah, whatever.
Okay.
Hex of weakness.
Weakness to target reducing melee attack power.
Interesting.
Bade, interesting. Mindflame, Mindsuit, Silence. Let's get it down there.
V.E.
Uh, one minute cooldown.
Some guy is crashing out, but I haven't read this yet. Like, crashing out in the chat.
Oh, here you go, man. This one's for you.
Afflix your target with Shadow Energy that causes all party members to be healed for 20% of any Shadow Spell damage you deal for 30 seconds.
Vampiric Embrace also grants you a chance for your Spear Tap talent to trigger when enemy...
uh, enemies afflicted by a die.
Okay, so you're saying Spear Tap is good with him fear-confrase?
Okay, well rip
One minute cooldown tap, yeah, true
Uh, spying for your healing levitate. Yeah. Yeah, probably probably seems good enough here
I mean these aren't like actual keybinds that I would use but it's probably good enough.
Dragon stuff to my bars
Rapid reach and dude
One minute cool down on the Valerie plague. Oh, okay
Hi
Nice
Is there an HTSC toggle for skyborne? No, is there any DPS totems?
I'm sure there is video settings can you disable stuff or not not on these computers everything's locked
I dual someone shoot I went like a PvE build here I'll do all this guy anyway
I don't know if anyone actually wants to duel, I'll duel this guy.
I'll duel this guy.
i don't really want any form of rated pvp
in classic i don't think it really fits
this guy looks lost i'm gonna let himself
never adjust camera
okay doesn't want to sell it sure
foam
foam
foam
foam
Well, it's just 100% dead.
Oh, I just realized I'm not on the lawn at my bar.
Shoots.
He's getting melted.
Yeah, shadow priests are just OP, I think.
I'm on on the bar.
They don't even have a shadow or death.
I said this looks good.
I read that there's a ping system like retail,
is that true?
Yes, that is true.
Ping system, ping key bind.
I don't know what I'd keep on it too.
Gee.
Yeah.
Yep.
King system is intact.
Boom.
Had a shadow feel.
Feels pretty good.
Feels pretty good.
I haven't actually done a dungeon or anything.
Looking for a group dungeon.
I'll just keep dueling in the meantime.
The problem with the Dungeons is you have to find an entire group, but it's tough to
find an entire group because everyone's on like these different timers and stuff.
Classic Uniframes, no classic Uniframes, which breaks my heart, definitely want those.
Can you check out Press and Hold Casting?
If enabled, lots of players will press and hold a key by continuing to cast a spell without having to repeatedly press the button.
That's... interesting.
Bro.
Alright.
Uh, alright.
Yeah, I didn't mean to decline that invite, that's my bad, I should have accepted that.
Okay, this guy re-invited me, we got a mage.
Did they say anything about fixing the Torn Models and the Standard Definition?
It looks like they have low res graphics on the Modern Cal model.
I haven't noticed that.
I've only played with the low res one and it looked fine.
You can see Haishel from Durotar.
Oh!
Yo!
Yo, yo, yo, that's cool.
I don't even notice that.
Super sick.
There won't be any PvP updates.
I would love a panel talking about PvP.
Like I said, I don't think rated PvP fits
in classic World of Warcraft.
Like you ask yourself,
what are the most popular PvP tournaments in, wow, history?
And a lot of them are literally just classic
about dueling tournaments.
Why is PvP so popular in Classic WoW?
And part of the reason is because there's no rated system.
Part of the reason is because it's grass roots, not sweaty,
because it's getting outside in World PvP and dueling.
Once you add this like sweaty rating system to things,
I think it changes things.
It's one of the reasons I don't want it.
Another reason I don't want is because then people never leave the city
instead of actually playing the game
and getting out there in World PvPing.
So I think it's bad.
I don't think it fits Classic.
I don't think it fits.
I
But I would like them to talk about it still I would like to see
What they do plan to do for PvP like instead of arena. Maybe it's a duelers
Guild and you get people out in the world actually
Really, dude, Shadow Free seems completely OP, by the way.
This guy's standing still, and it still feels OP.
Instead of people queuing in a city, maybe people are going out in the world, and, like,
like, pooling in this giant arena, and you put some bets on it, and people are fighting
to the death, like, that would be sick.
You get people out there.
Like, it's not just copy-pasted content from retail or TVC, but it's something brand new,
Right, top this guy up.
Polymorph is still 27 seconds.
Oh my gosh.
This guy pops in a duel.
Unbelievable.
The unspoken rule, man.
He's not going to silence me, though.
Definitely should silence, brother.
I wonder how much regen this gives me.
Not that much.
So kind of cool though.
What is that damage?
I mean, either Shadow Priest are disgustingly broken
or we're gaming right now.
One of the other.
Wind Shaper Skyborne.
true it
Anyone want
I'll try to get some duals in I'm also looking for a dungeon looking for through dungeon or tools
Yeah, from there we'll check out the hardcore panel in 30 minutes as well.
I'm loving this.
Yeah, it's sick.
PvE realm. No, this is the demo. So everyone that you see here guys has less than 30 minutes
to actually like set up and play. So everyone you see is logging in, they're setting up
their keybinds so that they can do a dungeon. That's why everyone's standing still.
And at mode it's classic unit frames? No. Hard question, does the Hots and Dots crit?
I don't know about Hots. Dots do crit though, yes. What's the shield of three charges? Shadow
guard it's uh it's for shroll priests what shadow what the shadow priests have
for defensives I guess vampiric embrace yeah no disperse it looks like well
there'd be mythic plus no
It's a little warlock, sure.
Shot of form, true.
Yeah.
That's only the lock right now.
Oh, okay, we have a gamer.
He's an ability here.
I think he's dead to these dots. Take it.
So where is the endgame content? Only raids?
Yes, this is classic World of Warcraft.
Endgame, there's...
I feel like there's this group of people that wants never ending endgame stuff like retail, like a mythic plus or a rated arena, where you can sit there and queue all day.
We're playing classic plus. We're playing classic forever. This is not supposed to mimic sitting in a city and queuing. This is supposed to be a traditional MMO, right?
So, what am I trying to say?
This game can't make everyone happy, and if you're Blizzard, you have to basically say,
sorry, this isn't for you if you're looking for that, we're building this instead, right?
And I think this is one of those cases.
If you want Mythic Plus, it already exists.
If you want Rated Arena and Solo Shuffle, it already exists. Go play Retail.
But if you're looking for Classic WoW, but with more stuff added, right?
More quests, more ways to level, more raids, more dungeons, more zones,
you're in luck because this one's for you. It's not for everyone.
It's not for everyone.
So, if you're looking for that stuff, it already exists on retail.
Okay, guys, you know, one of the modern features I actually love combined bags.
Combined bags, actually, one of the very few modern features that I'm like, all right,
I'm fine with that, I actually like that.
You guys hear that in the background, the USA chance?
AWC guys, what's going on for a little bit? Hardcore panel after that.
Wait, is... I think the hardcore panel is happening right here.
So it's probably after this matchup, we're getting the hardcore panel.
The hardcore panel is going to start in half an hour.
So it's probably this matchup and then the hardcore panel.
Check out Nome Freeze Ratials.
Ooh, that would be cool.
I wanted to keep doing a couple more duels just because I have to reset up everything.
Oh, does he have tremor down? He does have tremor down.
Rib.
Oh, my!
Ted.
I win. Oh, my gosh, this guy almost one-digged me.
me whoa nice damage dude you must hit a crazy wind fury proc there or
something
bro I can't make a macro on here shoot all right yeah three seems really good no
water alley and forever I don't think so which I'm happy about. I would say mages
I don't want to say they got the short end of the stick I actually kind of like mages.
Frost is a little boring but like okay this is gonna be a weird take. Frost mages a spec that
should be boring. If you make frost not boring it destroys frost identity. It's supposed to be
control spec. It's supposed to be a spec that slows things down. And I think when you look at
classic WoW Frostmage, it is boring. It's one button. When you look at TBC Frost, it is boring.
Wrath Frost, it is boring. But it's slow and methodical, and you can still crit heavily.
And that's what it kind of is. You don't have water really. You don't have anything crazy flashy.
But you have Ice Lands.
It's okay. You know it's okay.
I will say fire needs some more cooking in the kitchen.
Fire mage, I think, just doesn't really work still.
Arcane, I think they did well. I think they did well with Arcane.
I think Arcane's good.
Try disc priest. It should be fun if Penance.
I'm down to try it. I could walk to a gnome disc priest.
This guy says they're looking for a tank for the new dungeon and they're good to go.
I could make a tank right now and tank their dungeon if you guys want.
I could make a tank for the dungeon, but I'd need about five minutes to set up.
He says, let's go.
All right, I'm going to take a dungeon for this guy.
Yeah, this guy's a gamer.
Yeah, this guy is definitely...
Definitely gaming.
If he hits me at all, I could die here.
Dude, yeah, I'm just dead.
Bro!
This guy slaps.
Alright, I'm gonna go make a tank.
Gonna go make a tank.
Stay here.
Okay.
Are we potted? Oh, I didn't even realize he potted. Still a good duo though. Okay.
I'll try a prop warrior I guess
They're on horde so I have to do a horde prop warrior
I'll make a cow this one's for Sony D, baby
High depth low depth. Yeah, I don't know those look good
Sure
Let's go, baby
Where's the guy? Where's the guy? Where's the guy? I was just dueling. Skyshawmin.
Yo, it's me. I'll take your run. I need five minutes to set up. I can't whisper on me.
I'll just start setting up. Bro, every time the setup is brutal because it doesn't save
anything from the last time around. I'm getting pretty quick at this though
except I've done this like 30 times this weekend.
Oh no, did he just disconnect? Where's the guy, bro? He's gone, maybe his timer
ran out. Bruh!
Okay, let's make a speck and then hop into it, huh?
The plane's starting high up? Yeah. The plane's starting seems like really, really, really
broken man.
I think the best way to keep on quickly is just put everything down at once.
and then go from there.
Yeah, there we go.
And then I'll just drag stuff.
You're not playing Alliance at all?
You can't duel on Alliance.
That's why I've been doing a little more Horde.
More people seem to be on the Horde side of things
since you can duel over there.
All right, let's make a spec.
Increases your chance to block,
attaches your shield by one.
Thunder clap. Blood rage.
Master of defense gives you a chance to generate rage when Dodge or Perry, while a shield equips.
15% threats. Last stand, revenge.
Defense of stance charge that seems kind of cool.
Sunder armor.
Shield wall.
Stun.
Stamina strength.
Damage.
Shield.
I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know.
Locked it in. Let's go.
Uh, can you press the blow?
Shield slam. Funny enough, I've actually never...
Oh, this guy didn't forget about me! Yo!
I'm here to tank your run.
Sick!
This guy never forgot about me, I thought we had to find a different run.
Oh my gosh, I don't remember any of my warrior key-lines, guys.
Bro, I haven't played a warrior in forever.
I think I'm just our dragon stuff
It's our dragon stuff to my auction bars guys
I'm here I just need a second to set up lines
I'm not sure.
Worst on.
Shoot bow.
Uh, okay. Spellbook. Arms.
Thunder clap. Got it. Charge.
Got it. Hamstring.
I forgot about that crap. I've never actually done this spec a warrior before thank you
you can leave you can leave that one thank you that's more water let's go
All right, that seems probably maybe fine enough mocking blow.
Oh, I have to go in the battle.
I don't even have battle stance key bound, guys.
Oh, victory rush.
Oh, that's got to be good.
Block.
Okay, I'm ready.
Let's go.
Cleave? I have cleave down to F3. I think I'm really gonna need that.
Damage meter. True.
Shield block? I have shield block. Yeah, it's on S.
I need target to target. I need nameplates. It's actually on target. Target to target.
Target key bind. Oh dude, I need so much stuff. Never actually played a prop warrior before.
This is an experience.
This feels kind of nice, honestly.
Does it shift V?
Shift V, nah.
I need to fix my camera, target.
Yeah, let's see this.
Camera, never move.
Move, name plates, show enemy name plates, see if that works, keep it shipping anyway,
that does work and then target, target, six, five.
Shiffy, yeah I re-keep on it guys.
No game audio.
The game audio should be there.
Is it a little too low?
Oh, it's also pretty low.
I can move it up if you want.
I feel tanky.
Yeah, it's definitely very hard to hold threat, jeez.
Yeah our shaman is just pumping.
Is that threat better?
Ah, it's okay.
I need to keep my target still.
T1 was right.
No, do not tell him I said that.
I'm not sure what's going on here.
Shield slams your biggest threat.
Really?
Oh, okay.
Oh, wow.
That's a really good helmet.
locked in now dude I like warrior too man man I really like like tanking alley
but warriors sick because you just it's just such an interactive class in layers
like pressing so many buttons oh no audio still how was that I want the audio to
be kind of low you guys might have seen the stage in the background more than
anything else yeah
It's muted. Yeah, okay. Here. Let me move it up a bit
Where are they shouting AWC in the background
We're gonna be doing an AWC watch party after the next panel with a pika
Can you guys hear the sound now?
Yeah
I
Don't shut yeah, it's up guys
No, dude, it's definitely stuff right behind us
Yes!
Dude, everyone's spamming USA!
Let's go!
You guys hear that crowd?
Holy crowd!
Yes, sir!
Yeah, definitely feeling strong in the warrior though feeling very very strong in the warrior.
Oh, whoa, B.O.E.
Two-hander.
Whoa.
holy crap nice
yes, buried this
Yeah, yeah, the rat is completely chill if you just use Shield Slam and Sunder and Revenge.
Very chill if you do that.
Who's our healer?
Wait, I'm the healer for a sec.
Winfury Totem?
Yeah, he might not even have that down.
Okay, so this guy's gonna do that frontal, so we're gonna move him this way.
Monstrous Slam.
I think it's supposed to be a frontal, right?
Cause he's killing everyone right now, even from behind.
Undying Oath.
Monstrous Slam.
No, maybe it's just around him.
Someone's dead off that.
I'm down.
Oh no.
Playing.
Alright.
Okay.
This has to be an upgrade to 26 DPS, one hander, five strength, five stamina, axe, restore
six health creeps.
Yeah, I'm going to need on that.
It's got to be a need although my weapon skill
I'm expiring I'm sorry no way do the dungeons are actually really hard to hit because people people's game time expires
Like constantly so if you start someone usually has to leave
Sounds good
Can you show the revenge tooltip? Yeah, here you go. Looks about the same, I think.
Hardcore panel in 15 minutes. Yeah, I think the hardcore panel is gonna be right here on this stage in 15 minutes. That's what we're waiting for right now.
Guess we just go out with the bang here. I mean, we don't have a healer, so...
I was probably you're feeling funny enough. I've actually never played normal pro warrior like classic era, but
Seems good seems fun seems cool
I mean yeah, we don't have a healer so we're just absolutely dead here we just kind of coach will be die I guess
Oh great. Well, well ripped guys. Hey, we taunt shieldball. Let's have we go down right
I'm not sure what's actually kind of picking up the heels, so I like that.
Yeah, this is actually kind of working except our true what I think is pretty much how to
mana now.
Dude, I don't like this like screen blow when I'm low, gotta figure out how to turn that
off.
Not pressing shield block, yeah I'm prioing higher prio items here, not enough rage for
that right now. Yeah, now I'm going to send some, what do you call? Nice! That was my
Don't pull that.
Take three rush, just heal, yeah. Okay, poop, poop hold.
Sun that. Lock that.
Damage here.
Take three rush. Taunt that.
Take threat here. Got that one.
Got this one.
Big threat here.
More big threat here.
Yeah, this guy did so many bunch of mobs.
Yeah, it's going to be a hideout angle, guys.
Hideout angle.
Oh, dude, that one guy showed us a safe spot, remember?
It's not here. It's not here.
It's not there.
I don't know what has happened on the wow stage, but something, they're definitely shouting for something. It was not me dying. I don't think.
Don't think it was me dying. No.
Is it Chi Chi's without a dealer?
The USA chance are back.
The whole audience is trolling you now, yeah.
Any healers for Dungeon, just any heals.
Gators back are dominating.
Dude, let's go!
You actually met Calvish yesterday and Taze on the street.
I said hi to them.
Yes!
That is sick.
to see that. Have I looked at a profile? Yeah, it's amazing. Is the cheat sheet
about a healer? It says the only known MC raid leader? True. Did I mean GBA? Yeah.
Macros don't exist on the beta, but there'll be a thing, yeah.
Alright guys, I think the hardcore panel is starting any second now.
I don't know if anyone has any final questions, we have probably 10 minutes until the panel.
Go on, don't freeze racials. Okay.
I'm sure, let's do that.
Don't freeze racials.
Papered specks so far.
Maybe prop alley. Prop alley's really well designed.
Maybe prop alley, honestly.
Let's try the don't breeze though. This one's for you guys. I know people want to check this out. Let's check it out
Nope
Hi guys, let's do our same settings again.
That's how it goes.
Boom.
Classic.
Wait, actually, I don't need to do my whole settings.
We're gonna log off in 10 minutes, right?
You guys want to see Eureka, which is...
Your next three Damaging or Healing abilities have their mana cost reduced by 50 and deal 10% Damage of Healing.
So that's a crack for Mage, especially Arcane Mage.
Especially Arcane Mage.
How long is the last? 15 seconds.
And a scape artist.
So back what you would expect.
We're going to be flooded with a ton of prop Pali's that never played Pali.
I mean I made Pali back in the day and I just leveled a prop Pali on Ultra
and I played prop Pali in TBC so I can say prop Pali looks pretty darn good.
Check the racial spells. Oh, is that in a different spot? All right, what's that?
Oh, is it this? Contingency plan. Places a ward on an ally for 15 seconds.
The next time this ally takes damage, dropping their health below 35%.
They will gain an absorb shield, absorbing 290 damage and begin healing for 3 and 38 over 15 seconds.
A target may only be effective if you should see plant once.
Ha!
That seems crazy. That seems hard to use right though, because if you use it at 10% it does nothing.
If you use it at 50% it does nothing.
It only lasts 15 seconds, and it's a 10 minute cooldown, so you have to use it at, like, 40% when you're taking damage.
Confuses up to 5 enemies in 8 yards for 3 seconds. Any damage taken will break the effect.
2 minute cooldown. Confounding Flash.
What the heck? That's weird.
Okay. It's a Guardian Spirit? No, much different than Guardian Spirit.
I'm assuming if you use it at 25 and you take damage, it'll proc and maybe we'll see.
Solar flare!
It's like Krillin, yeah, yeah, a little bit.
Guys, how happy are you?
That's the very least.
We have the classic models.
If we didn't have these things, I would be raging right now.
I am so happy.
I am not forced to use the retail models, holy crap.
Oh, I'm so happy.
Oh, I'm so happy.
Does Eureka work on a warrior?
I would assume so, but I can double check if you want.
It would probably reduce the rage cost. I mean, that might be kind of sick on a warrior.
So I like the graphics. Graphics, yes, you I know.
Sick.
Lots of stuff.
That USA chance are back guys.
It's kind of hard to tell from like this angle.
That is just an absolutely massive crowd that is sick.
So sick.
Calvish 3-0.
Dude.
I'm going to be checking out the finals on the couch later.
I want to see Calvish vs. Woz in the finals.
That'd be sick.
Very sick.
Alright, I'm going to log out of this right now guys.
Because I think we're getting the hardcore panel any minute.
who is knocking you down before you could even get your bearings in a game, but Chan,
you were able to kind of break it down more. How did everything kind of unfold?
I mean, this game was a little bit better from streamer's own as you guys said, but
the thing is, next went for the push when they did a go on to dazed, and they just turned
it right around on them. CC next, and then I think Cubsie actually managed to shrink
it with the combustion still rolling from cowardly, and the thing is the damage is just
so overwhelming. Next, he couldn't get enough lobes off before he got recc'd and Brunhidi
just ended up going down. Perfect. This is the thing about Cubsion, this is why he's
the best dude. It is, and the cheers are still going through the audience. I mean it is true
though, seeing that play, it absolutely backs up your statements. I mean it's so impressive
that dexterity and that just dominance in the field. When we're looking here at the
death recap with the hitties, then what are you kind of seeing as we look over it?
Yeah, I think it's, uh, it's one of those things where either one of them.
All right. Well, you know what? Actually, it looks like our interview is ready.
So we're going to toss over to the stage. We're going to have an interview and
then we'll circle back.
We certainly do. I am here with Calvish. Congratulations. Once again, you have so
many fans in the audience here.
Something you were expecting.
Were you expecting this?
Was I expecting this?
The mirrors are a bit rough, but I think we're I think we're pretty good in that matchup, so
Let's go Calvish
Let's go
I don't know if you were listening to anything that they were talking about the best earlier
But Maro said that you were the best mage in the world. Do you have any and your response to that?
I have a lot of respect for Maro. I think Maro is a complete God
So carrying him say that makes me feel really good about myself. It gives me some confidence to
of the game.
Yes, sir.
Aggressively, every single game.
Dude.
Speaking of aggression, speaking of aggression, we definitely saw that showcased in that series
that you guys just played.
Did you feel that level of aggression in me?
What was behind that?
It was incredible.
Incredible to watch.
Yeah.
I feel it the entire game.
That's kind of like, that's how we like to play the mage mirrors a lot is we just get
in there, get on top of them and make them just freak out.
All right, moving on to face off against Echo in the grand finals. Are you feeling prepared? Are you ready to go?
Feeling very prepared
All right amazing grand finals
Echo versus Calvitt do this the best possible situation that's Tramila right there by the way
Honestly, if I was the one that was facing that I that's exactly what I would be doing and we were talking about for hate
Yo, it's the best possible grand finals. We're gonna be checking out that
on this on the couch a little bit both the rogue and the major so capable of this
these really explosive moments so it's what makes it so exciting and also what
makes these matchups so short because you're seeing opportunities for the
mage is completely one shot the enemy team which couch where are we hopping on
the peekable couch in a minute all these players absolutely and I mean Gator's
back taking this series it's no wonder because it was such an impressive play
from them Chan what did we see in this last game I mean they set up once a
Yeah, you know gets rich some damage on the palette, but I feel like comes he's doing such a okay responding to all the
Better he's so happy dude. It's so cool
Next gets caught up in the cyclone from Cubsie
You make us know what brand and then this set up right here
Look at this cheap shot on the next with the combustion from guys if you know who calvates is it's actually like just really cool
He uh
Is one of the very few young players in the scene all these other wow PVP ears are like 40 50 60 years old
right and Calvish comes up out of nowhere and he's like the young blood
coming in and he's he's owning it's awesome I absolutely love to see it dude
absolutely love to see it so see what's going on but no guys you know what I'm
saying though all of the wild peeping peers all the best players in the world
have been the same people for like the last 10 years grand finals echo versus
I'm going to be watching that live.
I can't wait.
We're going to go hard core panel right into that.
I know a lot of you guys aren't retail guys,
but the AWC man grand finals, that's like Super Bowl.
Man, that's like it right there.
I'm 100% watching that.
I cannot wait.
It's going to be amazing.
So hard core panel into the finals.
It's going to be a great rest of the day, guys.
A great rest of the day.
He can be said to join on the couch.
We're gonna watch the hardcore panel right now and then we'll join on the couch. Yeah hardcore panel then couch
The hardcore panel should start any second now, I think
What are they gonna talk about PvP I'm waiting bro, I'm waiting
They're making room on the couch for you.
I'm not heading over until after the panel.
There was two interviews today.
This hard core one will be the third one.
How long are you going to stream for?
I'll be live a couple more hours.
A couple more hours, we're going to watch the hard core
panel for 45 minutes, then the AWC finals
for after that for an hour and a half,
and then see what's good from there.
Sorry, you look tired probably yeah, we had like a 12 13 hour day yesterday, and we're sending today to should be good though
How is Kai doing? Oh, I miss him so much. I can't wait to be home and give him a nice big hug
Then looking good always looking good man
Long weekend. It's a great weekend though. Great weekend
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Click it. It says use my free twitch prime. That's a free free sub boom and then hit subscribe and then you're locked in
Have you seen your other son peekaboo? Yeah, he's right here on the couch check this out
The couch is right there guys
That's peekaboo that's surge so we're gonna be moving over there in a sec
this is the whole crowd this is the stage this is where I'm sitting we're just
chilling here checking out some reacts all from there wait AWC global finals
returned shortly wait are they doing the finals before the hardcore panel
wait I'm so confused
Stage C, hardcore on the wow stage.
This is literally the wow channel.
Finals is supposed to be much later, yeah.
I can go ask.
I think this will, I think this will be the hardcore panel.
Wait, are they, they're not doing the grand finals right now, are they?
This is the hardcore panel.
Wait, I'm so confused.
confused. I'm going to go to the main stage. Maybe they swap the stage. This is the main
stage. That doesn't look like the HC panel. I mean, this should be where it's at. It should
be happening right now. It says Hardcore. The future of Hardcore right there. Grand
Finals are an hour. Okay, so we're gonna watch Hardcore. Hopefully that's what's happening.
And then after we'll move to the couch and check out the grand finals, sick.
Cool, let's do it.
This is kind of clickbait at the bottom though, isn't it?
AWC Global Finals return shortly.
It seems kind of clickbait because that's totally not what it is.
Check Savick's clip.
Okay, we have two minutes.
Ah, crap.
I'm dual PC streaming so the clip you guys are linking is on my other monitor
How do I get it to this monitor it's on a different PC
Bro dual PC streaming sucks
type it out
Dual PC streaming is so troll
Copy and paste guys. It's two computers my coffee. Don't want it doesn't face it on the other. Oh
Oh, okay. Okay. Good idea. I can open my own stream and you guys can continue to link it
Here
Good cops good cops. I don't think this is supposed to be in here. Oh my god. What is this officer accessory?
Oh
Bro, oh wait shrink it you like five minutes CD
The same shrink it five five minutes long caught leagues fired
Whoa, whoa, whoa
Okay, maybe we are supposed to coming out. Oh, oh
oh no way wait oh that action no way this is paladin really bro Savix what how
do you get here no way wait he's in the underbelly on a level four
did he run all the way over there oh it's in the dungeon oh I guess you know
that's he's just in the dungeon that's not a six thousand on it dude that's crazy
Okay, I would move my camera, but I don't know how to do that on this setup either.
Everything is way different here. Okay.
Let's get back to this. Okay, it looks like the hardcore battle is starting now.
We're gonna play this again if you guys haven't seen this.
Oh
Yeah, I suppose this part is a little whimsical, but overall I do like the Dwarven Bear, and
then I like this part a lot.
This part's really sick.
Yes, sir, this part is very sick every time.
Oh crap.
And then this reminds me of the old trailer right there, the Undead Foot, the classic
trailer.
Oh, hi, Shulhaw! Yeah, that's a cool shot, too.
I like how they used the dwarf in the bear. Yeah, same.
Shields every time. Yeah, it's good. It's very cool.
Skyborn hyped?
I don't hate Skyborn as much as everyone else, but I just love playing elves.
Wow forever.
There it is.
$30 raise?
Yeah, but the whole thing is free.
We thought there'd be a box press.
Hello everyone.
Hello.
Hi.
To go again, the past, present, and future of Hardcore.
Hardcore, hi!
My name is Nora Mills.
I'm a lead software engineer on Wow Forever,
and of course, the classic team.
Joining me today is these two awesome dudes, Chris Zierhut,
principal game designer, and honestly, guy
who knows just about everything there
to know about World of Warcraft.
It is true. That's Chris.
Very true.
Very true.
And also none other than
Aggrand, Josh Greenfield.
I didn't even get to his title yet.
Senior game designer.
Wow.
So the format of this panel is very laid back.
This is honestly not scripted.
I just wrote down a bunch of bullet points to make sure I pulled the right information out of these two guys
basically we're gonna talk about how hardcore went from
Really community driven idea concept to something our team kind of like got in there and you know started saying hey
You know we're interested in maybe you know talking about this thing and working with the community toward an eventual pitch
And then that launch moment, how it was received and how our team even kind of received it and reacted to it.
And then finally, we're going to maybe share a little bit of what to expect in, wow, forever hardcore.
So, yeah, to kick things off, for anybody who hasn't played hardcore or who isn't familiar with the concept as it relates to World of Warcraft,
You might be wondering like all right. This hardcore just mean I don't know they crank up the game difficulty
Everything has a lot of health everything hits really hard like what does it mean for it for world?
So to kick things off
Why don't you explain to the audience? What is hard core?
So hard core is a really kind of overloaded term in gaming these days
Especially a world of Warcraft does it mean you're doing you know mythic raider myth of progression high-end arena
like we just witnessed here.
No, it's even harder, harder than all that.
But that's really not what hardcore is about
in World of Warcraft Classic.
Hardcore comes back to something a little further back
in Blizzard's history, when we first launched Diablo II.
It had a new mode where you could choose to go to hardcore
instead of normal mode.
And when your character died, that was it, they're dead.
You can't play anymore, they're gone, start over.
And I remember back then when that came out,
I had some friends that really like to play hardcore
and I kind of tease them about it like,
somebody's gonna call you in the middle of the night
when you're playing,
offline you're dead, right?
But, well hardcore ended up being
a very, very different thing than that,
even though it took the inspiration from that.
It was inspired by what the community did,
the add-ons you built,
and the ideas that came from you,
the influencers and streamers,
and turned into something really great.
Yeah, awesome.
I really love the story of honestly how it came
from the community and then turn into a kind of a collaboration
between our team and the community.
As you must have heard on our other panels,
like we are very interested in working with y'all
to make this thing the best thing it can be.
And so we really look forward to collaborating
with our players, I mean, for hardcore
and also into the future forever.
So for those who don't know, Josh was really at the forefront
of a lot of our conversations in the very beginning
with players in my name is Josh.
I thought she was talking about me for a second.
I was like, whoa, what?
Why don't you explain how did this whole thing start?
Where did it all begin?
Take us back to the beginning.
Well, it's a bit of a long story,
so I'll try not to bore everybody.
But essentially, kind of the way it started,
I mean, it started when 2019 classics started.
And even before that, there's always
been groups of people who want to do the one life challenge,
where you have one shot and leveling a character to 60
without dying.
For us, where we really got involved in it,
was in our season of mastery server.
So season of mastery was essentially a special rule set,
fresh vanilla wow realm that we spun up in 2022,
or 2021, excuse me.
And whenever we announced it,
everyone was, there was a lot of people
that were really excited to kind of do fresh vanilla again.
and the hardcore community self-organized an event
called the Road to Radner Rows.
Yeah, exactly.
And by the time we kind of saw information about that,
it was a couple of months before we were gonna launch,
but we were kind of locking down the build.
We were like getting ready to be done with Season of Mastery
or at least getting ready to ship it.
But we were like, man, that is really cool.
Like that would be super fun to support in some way,
but we didn't have very much time left.
And ultimately there was one of our designers on the team,
Tony Trejo, who is now an encounter designer
on World of Warcraft, he does a great job.
He was like, guys, I think I can slam something in
to like just give a little wink and a nod
to the community on this.
And so he created a system called the Soul of Iron,
which Soul of Iron is pretty simple.
You go and talk to an NPC in town
and they'll give you a buff that says
you've never known defeat,
and then obviously if you die, you lose it.
Honestly, that alone is cool.
That alone is sick.
We put that in.
We put the server out.
And you know, Road to Ragnaros was a great success.
A lot of people had a lot of fun with it.
You know, a bunch of groups made it to 60.
They got through Molten Core with 40 other friends who
made it to 60 without dying.
And they killed Ragnaros.
And so we just had so much fun with that,
not just kind of like watching it, but also playing it.
A lot of us leveled through that with them.
And so it always kind of stuck with us.
So fast forward to about a year later,
we had just launched Raph of the Lich King,
and the hardcore community had kind of spun down
on Season of Mastery, and they ended up kind of setting up
shop on one of our era realms, on an RP realm,
called Blood Cell Buccaneers.
Yeah, big shout to Blood Cell.
Blood Cell Hub!
And at this point, they'd gotten very sophisticated.
Nara mentioned the add-on and all of the,
it kind of kept you honest, it talked to each other,
and it gave you a death notification in chat.
It was really, really cool.
And that's when a lot of us started kind of going hard at it.
I know Nara, I know you went really hard at it.
You know, I leveled a bunch of characters,
or well, tried to anyway.
But around that time, we just, we're like, you know what?
This needs to be a real thing.
We need to make this a real thing.
And so I was a producer at the time,
and so I spent a lot of time kind of looking at metrics
and numbers and stuff like that as part of my kind of job.
And I started keeping track of what we call
like the daily peak concurrency,
which is essentially the high watermark each day
of how many people are online on average.
And when I first started tracking this,
it was probably 150 to 200 people online
at once on any given day, which isn't much,
But it was a couple of pretty full guilds worth of people
that were doing it.
So week over week, I'm tracking this,
and this is towards the end of the year in 2022,
and yeah, 2022.
And once we got close to our holiday break,
it had gone from like 200, 350, 500, 1,000,
and it was getting really close to 1,000.
And so we went on our holiday break,
came back from the break, and it was like 1,500.
It had jumped in a week.
much and it's like this is real we need to do something with this and so we kind of put our
heads together we put together a pitch and we took it to the kind of upper blizzard leadership
and said hey we'd really like to do this here's kind of the here's the graph you know the really
fancy looking spiky graph and uh uh I kind of want to say initially they were a little lukewarm
on it you know it was like it was like I don't know guys it takes a long time to level it wow
It seems a little risky.
Yeah, I don't know.
Maybe, of course, don't that good of an idea.
Trust me, it will be cool.
Trust me.
Trust me, bro, kind of saying.
But so Holly Longdale was our executive producer.
And she was probably like 60% or 70% sold on it.
And she's like, Josh, I've got to go on vacation.
I'll be gone for two weeks.
Let me think about it.
Let me think about it.
And so I'm like, OK.
I walked out of it.
I was a little despondent.
but so Holly used to refer to our team as Team Finger Guns.
So we went and we talked to one of our engineers,
Chase McGuire, who ended up doing a lot of the implementation for
the final launch version and we're like,
hey, you think you can maybe put together a prototype in two weeks?
He's like, yeah, sure, let's do it.
So we Finger Guns the prototype together in about two weeks,
and I mean, it wasn't ship ready,
But it was it was hardcore. You died. You stayed dead. You couldn't use red. You couldn't use on kiddo stuff like that
And so she comes back from her vacations like all right, let's let's talk about this thing and it's like well
She already get it already built it here it is
And she she kind of did the Jean-Luc. That's hilarious. He's palm like oh yeah. All right, cool
Let's do it. Let's do it and that was the green light
And so we were off to the races at that point and as soon as we cut
I've got that sort of story, right?
We kind of immediately went and engaged with the community.
We had already been, I've been in a Discord chat
for a long time with some people who were really
at the spearhead of the kind of hardcore community.
I'm talking about people like Tactics, Only Black Smoke,
Winky, Cargas, Sarth, you know?
That's sick.
But you guys like that.
Yes, good shout-outs there.
Really sick.
This way of playing.
And you know, I was like, I kind of had to be
a little coy with them.
I'm like, well, you know, if we were to do this,
like, you know, here, you know,
people kite, chair, must have devoured a storm wind.
How would we, you know, maybe here's our idea for this.
Like, what do you think of that?
And they're like, yeah, that's pretty cool, I guess.
And, you know, they give us feedback
and we'd kind of, you know, iterate on that and stuff.
And so we got, you know, we knew we were going to launch it.
We figured out what our release date was.
It was going to be in August and we needed to announce it.
And around the time this was all going,
something that I think kind of helped us push over the edge
was there was an event called the Hardcore All Stars
that was happening.
Shout out to anybody who participated in that
or watched it.
And it was about to have its finale.
And a lot of the same people who were in that chat with us
were working on that.
And we're just like, hey, could it be cool
if we just went on there real quick and just said something?
And they're like, gee, I wonder what you're going to say.
So it was kind of a not very well kept secret, I guess.
But so yeah, they were gracious enough
to let us go on to the show.
And we announced, wow, classic hardcore was coming.
And I got to say, that was kind of like the highlight
of my time.
I've been a blizzard for 17 years.
And that was a pretty big moment to be able to get on
and go on there and do that.
But ultimately, this is a thing that was,
it was by you guys and for you guys.
We just kind of were along for the ride.
And it's one of the most special things
I think I've worked on at Blizzard.
There's, in a lot of ways, I feel like, wow,
hardcore is the purest way to play vanilla wow.
I love it, man.
I love it.
Absolutely.
Yeah, so good, man.
It's so true.
It's so true.
We can never go back to where we were at our lives in 2004,
2006, or wherever we started playing, wow.
But, and it's hard for us to turn our brains off as gamers.
You know what I mean?
But this is one of those things that it like forces you
to play like you played back then, like you were clueless.
And you do have to do now, but it still just forces you
to slow down and super special.
So anyway, that's the story.
Well, what are some of the design implications
of implementing hardcore in a game
that wasn't originally like designed for it, right?
Like those things had to come up.
Like how did that kind of come up?
How did we approach those problems?
Yeah, I mean, a lot of times it's just like,
how does it work?
What are the logistics of doing certain things?
Like, obviously it's a really big game.
And even those of us who have worked on WoW for 15 plus years,
there's things about the game
that we even sometimes kind of forget.
And so we had to do a lot of testing,
like remember all those little things that would kill you
and what weren't fair and try and create solutions for them.
And also sometimes make a difficult decision
on what not to do.
It's like Velistraz, it's like, well, good luck,
figure it out.
And people did figure it out.
True, yeah, that's a good example.
Yeah, we're in the middle of it.
Mage portal.
So it's just a lot of looking at the game top down
and trying to understand what needs to happen
to reinforce it for this style of play.
And also UI and things like that, like guilds,
like what happens when your guild leader dies?
So like we have to communicate that,
hey, you need to hand over your guild to somebody else,
you're dead and stuff like that.
And also like the considerations for,
this isn't Diablo, right?
This isn't like your character is done and gets deleted.
Like letting you go to the normal servers,
the normal era realms after you die is something that
we think is a great kind of middle ground for like,
oh man, I've spent 200 hours playing this character,
like, suck if it was gone.
Yeah, I love it, you can do that.
It's like, well, you know, you're done with any other hardcore.
That's great.
You can go over to, you know, one of the normal realms if you'd like.
Right.
Awesome.
So, Hardcore was something that the community believed in, we believed in, and for the first
time ever, we were about to ship official hardcore realms, and that was, you know, anytime
you ship a new product, while forever, we, you know, there's a certain amount of nervousness,
right?
participation, but we, I don't think that, well, I don't know if our team was fully prepared
for what that launch moment would be like.
We actually have a clip from a couple of players who would like to share some of what their
experience was like playing hardcore.
I don't know if my friend backstage could put the clip up on the fancy screens.
I wish I could move my camera let me see let me see if I can figure this out
I can move my camera but not I won't be able to move that border
It rekindled my joy and my excitement for the game as a whole,
only having one life kind of forces you to take it slow and just enjoy the journey.
Which I think is great, because the journey is the fantastic and most amazing part of our classic world.
Can I even kill two Serene wolves?
Yeah, I'm gonna kill them.
I'm gonna use a health bar.
Come on!
I can't...
Come on!
COME ON!!!
Are you kidding me?!
COME ON!!!
EPLIS GONE!
What does hardcore mean to me?
It's the closest thing you can get to playing the game back in 2004.
Hardcore forces you to go slow, enjoy the process,
not just go go go do all your chores and log off,
but let me just sit here and game and build up my character.
And I love that.
So what did you guys think?
How did the launch live up to your expectations?
Like, did you expect it to be this big?
I was really surprised by one thing about hardcore.
So I talked to her earlier about how I kind of
didn't take it seriously.
Like, you're just gonna die.
You're gonna get disconnected from the phone whatsoever.
And it ended up being a very, very different thing
because World of Warcraft, unlike Diablo, is an MMO.
And you don't just play it by yourself.
You play it with your friends.
You don't go in a cave by yourself, remember cave equals grave.
You want to go with other people.
So when that moment happens and you get disconnected and Nora's disconnected,
somebody like Josh and I would hang around and protect her
until she goes offline to keep her alive.
So the experience changed a lot because now people are depending on each other.
If the world wants to kill you and it's you and your friends and new strangers
that are now your friends against the world.
So you're working together in cooperative in ways
Really don't happen in all of World Warcraft
And I think it results in hardcore having the very best
Community and social experience in all of World Warcraft and all of our history. Yeah, that's right. That is right
So true
Yes
Well as Chris mentioned the world is out to kill you and
And that's not just players who are losing their characters
in hardcore.
As a matter of fact, some of our beloved team members
had moments of their own.
I don't know if my friend backstage
can roll the special clip I have provided
in honor of Aggrand here.
I
Grand little 31 hardcore no way just a shortcut just a shortcut no way he falls to his dad
Bubbles up. Let's take a shortcut. There's no way you like miss click bubble or something right?
He's on his back part is he know he's on his back bar
Wait, like this should be fine.
Not today, rip.
I love it. Sorry, Akron, sorry.
to be fair to be fair my key bind got unbound because I logged that character in during
maintenance to test the bug and it went to my keyboard.
Ah, shoot.
I don't know about you guys, but I'm hearing a lot of excuses about that.
I remember one night after our raid, Josh started telling the story about how that happened.
You're not alone. I did one fateful morning on my, I think my mage was like level 52.
I got up, I hadn't had my coffee yet and I just, I was like, oh, I had time for a little bit of
hardcore before work. Big mistake. And I went to do some, oh, yeah, I went to do some quests
And I entered a barn filled with undead. It was a bad move. Yeah, but the thing that actually kind of surprised me was just the
overwhelming amount of people at like well 6 a.m. California time anyway
Bombarding me with whispers and just messages guild messages to just saying like, you know any mint mixture of go again or
or my least favorite was, what happened?
And in the moment, you know, I'm like,
I just lost my hardcore character.
So I was just kind of like,
how did you die?
What happened?
It means how did you die?
Don't ask questions.
But like, it's a really powerful community moment
when someone loses their character
because it hurts emotionally.
I almost called out sick that day
because I was so upset.
But the community rising up to support each other
and to egg each other on,
just say like, yeah, try again.
Like, you know what I mean?
I mean, like, you know, like,
go again, go again.
Be more careful next time.
Maybe have your coffee before going into that bar.
And I don't know.
It really is a compelling, I think, moment.
Now, that's probably a pretty good place
to start thinking about what new fun and exciting things
we have coming to Wow Forever Hardcore.
Okay.
Yeah.
So I'm very excited for when we get to hardcore World War
Craft forever.
We won't have it launched, but soon.
When we get to it, all these new systems and changes
we've introduced and how they'll impact your hardcore
experience.
Because we know in hardcore you like to put in a lot of extra
effort to make sure you're extra safe and not going to die.
So everything we've changed in trade skills, where there's
new recipes, new things to craft, new consumables, better
food and all those things you can do to be better prepared and the extra effort you can
put in over 600 new crafting recipes to help you be better prepared and the camping system
so you can get together your friends, get a few buffs, be a little bit more durable when
you go into that cave together. And so there's a lot of opportunities for a whole new experience
in hardcore and more dedication you can put into it. Really excited about that.
Do you think the itemization changes that we've made could, you know, yeah?
So, like again, hundreds of new crafted items, better drops from dungeons.
So maybe it's worth the risk to go in there and get those drops and help your journey.
Silver elites that drop new items that they never dropped before, right?
All kinds of new stuff to collect.
Awesome. Well, I just realized, I skipped your story.
Do you have a story to share about a death?
I feel like I just made fun of Josh.
Did you actually say anything about yourself?
I needed to make fun of you, too.
I'm an easy target.
I didn't actually say anything.
I want to tell a story about my family
and how much World of Warcraft hardcore
means to one of my family members.
So my younger sister is really into hardcore.
She plays at the Fieste Villager.
I believe the guild's called Phoenix that she's in.
And she played World of Warcraft with my two nephews.
They grew up with their uncle working at Blizzard,
working on World of Warcraft,
and absolutely worshiped the idea
and desperately wanted to play the game.
So when they got old enough, she let them play on her account
and bought another computer
and so that she could play with them
with her older son, Sage.
And eventually her younger son actually took over her accounts,
even renamed it after himself, Jeffrey.
And Sage and Jeffrey played together
and really had these great adventures amongst the three of them
and a way they bonded together as a family.
I'm actually in trouble.
Seven years ago, and my nephew Jeffrey died.
And since then, my sister reclaimed her accounts.
And logging into hardcore and playing in that community
has become really important and special to her.
Again, that's a tight knit community
where everyone supports each other.
When you die, it's go again.
When you need help, yeah, come.
We'll send some people over to help you get out of that cave.
When you have trouble, somebody can help you through a hard quest.
People can give you golden items to get restarted.
It's such a welcoming and supportive community.
Wait, he might have meant died in game.
And support and a little therapy and some joy.
And logs into that account where the name is still
Jeffrey every day to feel close to her son.
It's just an amazing thing for her.
No, no, no, it's definitely higher.
OK, very heavy story then.
I thought I misinterpreted it for a second.
And then no, no, definitely, definitely heard her
to write the first time.
Okay, jeez.
Well, I guess I'll have to make fun of you later.
That was not.
Okay, that was a very deep story then.
Thank you for sharing.
You're very gracious.
Well, hardcore has all sorts of perils out in the open world.
There are certain types of perils that are perhaps less,
I don't know how I would describe it,
fun, fair feeling than others.
Can you tell us a little bit about what I'm doing?
Yes, so I'll tell you a story when I almost died
as an illustration of this new principle.
I actually haven't died in hardcore,
but to be fair, I stopped playing at level 50
because Season of Discovery came out.
Haven't been back yet.
But my friend Sharif and I were playing a duo
in Lockwood An.
I was playing a mage, he was playing a paladin,
and there's this quest called
In Defense of the King's Lands.
We are trying to go fight frogs.
You're going higher and higher up into the hills,
getting the riskier and riskier spots
to find these troggies to complete the quest.
So we're going up in the hills,
and it was a Saturday morning, so it was super crowded,
people everywhere, every single trogg in the place
it smelled like was dead.
So we go further and further up looking for more troggs,
and suddenly, some of the players around us disappeared.
Some other new players appeared,
and every single location where there could be troggs
was fully respawned with every trogg there could be.
And we're right in the middle of it.
And I just yell run over Discord.
So I'm running down there as fast as I can,
but like Sharif's the paladin, so he bubbled
and he's taking his time.
I'm running like crazy as a mage,
jumping in the middle of pack of trods
and frosting over to lock him down,
jump off a cliff, blink at the bottom,
finally get away.
And while that's a great story,
we really don't like the experience that represents
where because there are too many or too few players
in the area where you are,
we need to refresh the world around you.
When we do that refresh,
suddenly creatures respond or features are
there that weren't there before.
Okay. Are they going to respond?
A new feature that we wanted to get into
World of Work Forever specifically for hardcore.
You'll have it in the whole game, but it's for hardcore.
When we need to do that world refresh around you,
a new UI will pop up and give you a warning.
Say, okay, in three minutes,
Two minutes fifty nine, two minutes fifty eight, et cetera.
We're going to refresh the world around you, get to somewhere safe.
And there's a button you can push to say I'm somewhere safe.
It's good. Go ahead and move me now.
Nice.
So no more lose your character.
Sick.
To the sudden change of the world around you.
Very, very nice.
Very, very, very nice.
One more fair.
Yes.
Good.
Good.
Good.
Shout out to our engineer, Daniel Schneider, for working on that system.
I can't wait for you guys to check it out.
Again, beta this Thursday, hope to see you all there,
at least for non-hardcore.
But you could, I guess, impose your own hardcore rules
if you wanted to have a little bit of fun,
a little bit of player-imposed hardcore.
We will be testing that system in the beta.
Yep, yeah, absolutely, yeah.
Well, are there any other interesting,
compelling differences that players can expect
in WoW Forever that they may not have had in,
I mean, regular hardcore.
So this was mentioned on another panel earlier today,
but it's worth repeating here.
In the past, when you died in hardcore,
your only choice was to transfer to PDE.
Now, when you die in hardcore,
you can transfer to PDE, normal, or RP ruleset.
Yes, yes, very, very, very good.
You know, people like that tension in the world,
that's part of what makes hardcore so fun
is having to pay attention all the time,
and that tension is maintained when they go to PDP.
A lot of players are going to be excited to do that.
I would have taken my Pali to PDP.
This new world is unsolved game we've
been talking about, new talents, new abilities, new items,
new trade skills, so much new stuff
if we're in New Zealand, D-Class.
So it's a problem to solve all over again.
So your old routes to go through the world
aren't necessarily going to be the best,
or even the right ones to follow.
There are new rare spawns all over the world
that have items that only drop up those rare spawns.
There's new world drops and things to craft.
The camping system to help you get the buffs,
to help each other and work together in camps.
And one thing I'm really excited about
is the application of the legacy system to Hardcore.
So you're playing Hardcore and maybe you get to level 26
and you die and in the past, okay, I lost everything.
That's sad.
But now you're in a legacy point
when you get to 25 on that class.
So your next run is just a little bit better.
Maybe you get a little bit more rest, XP.
Maybe you pick a little bit more resources
from your urban mineral nodes.
And so if you start to tap into the gameplay you see
in roguelike games, which I love a lot,
where you didn't quite make it to the surface this time,
but you'll be better for the next time and do more.
So a legacy system opens up that opportunity
for progression, even when you don't make it to level 16.
I love how the legacy system sort of allows you to,
I don't know, re-experience that journey even in hardcore and non-hardcore because depending, you know, on how many points you earn, where you're spending them, you know, things could be a little bit different, right?
Make it a little bit easier on you, right?
Right.
How does it work, again, with the transferring between hardcore and other rulesets, those legacy system points?
So Anna talked about this this morning, but the legacy points you earn outside of hardcore
In fact, all of your collections outside are mounts, X, legacy points, all that do not
transfer into hardcore.
So hardcore gets its maintenance pristine progression suffered from the rest of the
game.
But if you earn them in hardcore, they do go to the others.
So you can transfer with them and bring them with you.
When you inevitably die.
When you die, you shouldn't keep them on another whole.
Yeah, death is pretty inevitable in hardcore.
Yeah, I don't like that.
screen captured on the graphic. Another thing, Chris, too, is, you know, there's, if you
look at the legacy trees, there's a PVP one. What happens in hardcore? Right. So there's
a bunch of legacy challenges about PVP, and you can't really do PVP in hardcore. So what
we are planning on doing when hardcore launches is there a bunch of hardcore specific legacy
challenges to do. Sick. Okay, very cool. We're thinking about even more expansion to that system.
Yes. In the future. That's really hardcore. We add new challenges. Yes. And new ways to get perks
that are hardcore specific. Yes. Very good. Very good. Very good. Exactly what we like to do around
here. Well, we love hardcore a lot. It sounds like you guys do too. What else haven't we covered that
that we should talk about or should share,
what interesting tidbits do we wanna share?
I think one of the things that I'm most excited about
with WoW Forever Hardcore is,
part of the skill expression of hardcore
is knowing the world and knowing what quests are deadly,
what caves are deadly, what every cave's deadly,
but you know what I mean.
And WoW Forever, we're going to continue to make content
at all level ranges.
It's not just low level content.
And so for those who really wanna kind of challenge themselves,
we're gonna have lots of new content coming
over update after update after update,
and you'll have maybe different routes
or different ways to go
for those who are kind of enterprising.
And you get to have even more skill expression
of learning the optimal ways to level through
the river glades and what is dangerous and what isn't.
And creating anything can get stale if you do it long enough.
And if you get a certain level of mastery,
so being able to continue to add to opportunities
to achieve mastery is a good thing.
And that's something that we're super excited about
with WoW Forever.
We kind of have this commitment to continue to add
content at all different level ranges.
It's really an opportunity for you
to develop a new mastery of the game.
We play hardcore to show what you know, what you've learned,
how much, how good you are at World of Warcraft.
You know where this quest is, where this monster patrols.
And now there's new things to master
instead of just what we have from 22 years ago.
That sounds good.
So it's, you know, unsolved game now with Wild Forever.
I'm particularly excited about the hardcore community.
Anytime I've jumped in,
I've found players who are helpful, kind, encouraging,
willing to help me out, help me survive, really.
I've had a blast in the hardcore classic,
just jumping in with my friends.
Shout out to Oath to Order if you're watching this right now.
I also joined up with a fun little girl called HCQtees,
and they were very fun and wholesome.
I was an HCQtees as well.
Yeah. I'm just an amazing community,
and I really look forward to jumping in there again,
making new friends, perhaps some of you in the crowd,
and you know, just, I don't know, hopefully surviving,
hopefully not going into a barn, jumping off of a cliff, forgetting my bubble.
Just bring a friend when you go in the barn.
Yeah.
It's just a different kind of cave.
You mind if I give one-tenth tiny little tease?
A tease?
Yeah, so we haven't forgotten about Makara.
Okay, okay.
You know, obviously Makara has been a, I would say, unexpectedly popular part of hardcore,
but I think we can all appreciate a good duel for the death.
Oh yeah.
And, you know, something that has been asked of us for a really long time is, like, what
if we had a dedicated space for Makara contests?
Oh yeah, that's what we need.
Yeah.
Could be kind of cool.
Yes, yes.
Could be something we're working on for a future update, maybe, maybe.
Yeah, that's what we need.
We're talking about no arenas something like this. This is insane. Wow that was completely off-script. I might get in trouble for that later
That's what we like a great place to wrap things up. I
Just want to say thank you everyone for taking this journey with us
Thank you for even just today just letting us kind of walk through memory lane share a couple tidbits about what we're excited for
to a counter and wow forever hardcore.
If you are, you know, watching this from home also,
obviously thank you again.
If you're here in person, however,
please consider sticking around
for the Arena World Championship brand finals.
I'm watching that right after this guys.
Right after this, let's go.
Massive panel, sick.
Sick.
Okay, so, Makara Dueling Area, that's genius.
No Brainer, super cool.
What else?
You get legacy talents that stay after death.
I don't like that.
I know people say, well, just don't spend them.
I personally think that's a terrible argument,
just to disprove the argument quickly.
It's the same argument as Oakif flying.
If you don't like it, then don't use flying.
Come on, guys.
Oakif movement speed, if you don't like it,
just don't use the extra movement speed.
Come on, bad argument, terrible argument.
If it's not good, it shouldn't be in the game, period.
Not just don't use it.
So, yeah, don't like that.
Maybe we can chat with them and get it out of there.
But, yeah, I'm trying to think, what else?
What else do they, I mean, I guess it was just a lot of talking.
Those were like the two big announcements,
legacy and the dueling area.
Was there anything else?
I thought there was a third thing.
The layering thing, yes.
The layering thing, if you guys missed that, very cool.
We'll cover that real quick.
I think ads might have played unfortunately during them.
With layering, what happens right now
is you layer, a bunch of mobs spawn around you, mobs kill you, you die, it sucks.
With a new update in Hardcore, and wow forever, it'll say like a 3 minute countdown, 2 minute
countdown, 1 minute countdown, like 5 seconds countdown, like count all the way down from
3 minutes, and it'll say are you ready to layer, make sure you're in a safe spot, and
then you click yes, then it'll layer you, so you know it just dies.
So that's really cool, I really like that, I really like the Mokara, overall just massive
W's. Cool. Cool, cool, cool. Anything else, guys? Those were like the three big things,
I guess. The layering, change the Makara, and the legacy system. The legacy system is actually
quite strong more than you might think you can start getting your talent points
level five instead of ten which means you get like five extra ones per level
which means like it's actually it's actually quite strong classic UI yeah
definitely with the classic UI SSF and hardcore SSF I mean we have SSF in a
sense I would like normal ones join peekaboo for the AWC
When is AWC happening cuz yeah, I want to join Pica for that. Oh, it's happening right now. Okay. I need to walk over
I will be right back
Oh my god man, everyone is sitting in front of the heroes trolling them right now.
And they major trolling on the heroes.
Guys we got Zarr back on the couch.
That's where the PvP days were back. Dude, look at this timing. That's the best possible finals ever.
I was saying, holy, holy. I'm good, I'm good. I got one.
You got a Zarkwing? Yep, yep, yep.
Dude, I was trying to listen to the people. Dude, they put you on the panel on Blast.
Bro, I died to the ghouls, that's ridiculous.
I was making fun of him for dying to the ghouls last night, and they did it again.
So clearly that was a bad death.
Very, very, very bad. Unbelievable.
Dude, this is sick. I actually haven't been able to watch much AWC,
except I've been constantly trying to be on top of the panels.
Like, this is the best possible finals ever.
This is it. This is USA.
This is our team on this side, guys.
We're cheering for this team. Gator's back, USA.
Catch me up on what I've missed today.
I've seen him pits and pieces, but catch me up.
Turns out Major Rogue might be pretty good.
Major Rogue might be good. We don't know.
But that's our team, our old teammates on there.
So basically, we're basically playing on this side
And this is was his team is over here. This is this is you basically. This is us
This is America. Yes, this is Europe over here. Okay. Okay. So about a
We're in the finals technically because whiz is in the finals been a long time coming here if whiz wins
You guys win. Yes, do you split the prize pool of money?
Well, it's more of them. It's like a okay
I mean it will talk about it after but yeah, like we win
It could be a great night and if we lose it's still gonna be a great night. It's just be a little bit better if we won
So if we win drinks on
Whiz and we lose drinks on Jason if we win I might have one drink time maybe if we lose drinks on Jason
Oh, yeah, so we have it on our camera
So we have all these scenes and then we switch to the scene and I was
We've been told the sound is good, we've been told it's good, I mean.
In the chat we can all see this.
Yeah.
Alright, you guys see us here, we're dialed, okay, it's amazing.
We're probably gonna switch scene in a sec, I think.
Yeah, I think they're gonna, okay, we'll swap it soon, we'll swap it soon, oh this is slow.
Yeah, cause right now they're just staring at us, so.
Oh my gosh, is anyone excited for this?
I am so excited for this.
All day, they're playing, here we go, this is all year for this.
This is Max Verz, this is Max Verz.
AWC finals in seven years, five, seven years.
teams flew across the world to lose in 20 minutes. That was it. That was the European team.
Even last, bro, that's five. Five minutes. Yeah, it was brutal. You travel 14 hours
all year. Last stage for five minutes. It's still lost, like brutal. I told him, I saw
Zephyr walking out. He's like, he looked ready to go. Ready to go home. Yeah, he's out of here.
This is it. Everyone's been here a minute. It's go time. No, like Zar said, this is the first
Actual BlizzCon in seven years.
Everyone's excited.
It's full.
Actual BlizzCon finals in seven years.
That is ridiculous.
I think so.
For those that don't know, these two teams right now
are the best mage rogues in the world.
We have the best mage rogue from America
and the best mage rogue from Europe.
So there's a chance they play mage rogues in each other.
I don't know.
We'll see that.
Everyone's saying all sorts of different things.
I want to see that.
Yeah.
That would be ideal.
We'll see.
All right.
I mean, I think we could roadmage me
I was gonna say if we all three try to play oh we could queue up right now. I mean we have three computers
I mean we could we could we could we could take a game
Yeah, or if we don't wow forever rogue major killer dungeon, we probably clear before that true
I'm definitely true. I'm thinking we take winner though basically. I think we take winner
Okay, if you guys had to bet like say you're not friends with whiz K
You're just like you're you're trying to gamble on who's winning here your own money. Who are you betting on you or NA?
I wouldn't even call it a fact. It could be could be a guarantee, but I'd go in a
Always not gambling if you know you're gonna win so
All right guys everyone in the chat right now and a or EU to echo or gators what's happens in Calvish or was
What's going on here? I've seen a lot of it
It's all in a
Everybody's guys guys. They're fooling the European teams. I've never heard teams get food ever
I've never heard it.
If we put the feet on, they're going to hear all that, so our voices will maybe kind of
fry it?
I don't know.
But we can kill it out.
You guys want to see the broadcast?
Should we do it?
Should we respond?
Yeah.
We'll check it out.
It's going to take a second.
Don't worry.
Okay.
Okay.
Do we hear the shout-casters?
No.
No.
Okay.
No, no, okay, but they hear it so
Yeah, so we're just like we're trying to watch the panel can't hear it
Oh, yeah
I used to work with Shem 80, but this is just a cold one.
Maybe when you're around the people, you know,
they had to head here with you.
I feel like in your own city,
you know, you should have them in that warrior.
It's a challenge.
We could, like, get in for them by getting closer on the couch
and have them navigate.
Do you need body wash?
Do you need body wash?
Just continue.
Fine.
Okay, so if people are saying, like,
they're going to castors, that's why it's like,
do we, because we could watch it in the game,
or what we could do is hit the castbook.
Dominant force are looking, and we're going to warm up.
So this will make it so they can have the casters and they can look at the screen
But maybe during the game we can put the casters on so he's got to figure out what people want
You know, you know, you know everyone in chat
You guys want us to just talk or do you want to hear the cat?
I after watching this stream we should probably be the ones talking
I mean the casters are pretty high, too. It's more like we just we don't say too much
We kind of just let it ride and we're just joining it together. I
Think we I think we should talk I
I mean we can talk right now. I'm talking to these guys are so locked in on the finals like they give it their
Absolute all it's like we just we just have to sit and enjoy it's like we're just here for the ride too at this point
Okay, I'm not gonna do it either way
This is so exciting though, holy crap, this is big I mean literally completely packed
seems like a lot of people are really fired up to seems like all the pvpers
are here yeah packed with all the people here packed was gone you did not
want to miss this one how you feeling about hardcore I'm amped everyone in the
chat saying you guys cast you cast yeah you guys got to give a chance just give
chance there they're insane oh my gosh yeah I think we leave it to the
professionals for sure for sure the professionals all right
they're dressed up we're gonna take it away from them they have pins you have
a pin I don't think so I don't have the wild pin
uh do you have a pin I don't think I don't have a pin yeah we would have a
Four pass, we got the badge, Jesus.
They can't hear the professionals.
Why not?
Oh that's us, that's us right there, that's our team.
That's our guys.
That's you?
That's our guys.
That's Cubsie.
Okay Cubsie.
Yup.
Dave, is that you?
No, no, no, no, no, no.
That's, Calvish, is that you?
No, no, no.
No, no, no.
Okay.
That's us.
Whiz, hey!
That's our guy, that's our guy.
Is that you?
That's us.
you. That is us. Okay. That is. That is us. Which game represent?
Okay. Nice. Woo. Perfect. All right. Gators back finals. Lots
of money on the line here. 100,000 dollars on the line.
Okay. Just gonna win four games. Dude. I'm friends with both teams here
but like I would love to see Calibur's win. Yeah. This. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, what is it just three oh these guys cut a mirror it was just one the first game in two bus
Oh, my it was it was actually wild
Very fast base okay catch me up on some lore here
And maybe maybe some people in the chat need the same lore when I played retail Calvish was like
Probably the best or one of the best rogues on NA now. He's the best major. He's playing with days
What so we re-roll what happened? He plays major everything so they have like people playing different specs like days
They actually have two road players Calvish plays rogue and days maybe plays rogue and then Calvish also plays mage because their other fourth guy
Plays casters and it's just the way the composition to work out. It might sound very very
True, but they basically are all specialists at certain parts of the class
But how much is now the main mage so Calvish is the main main for the other caster when the other caster comes in Calvish
So Calvish is on no matter what Calvish is pretty much in every single so Calvish is like the backbone
Yeah, you need Calvish on the team. Okay Calvish is a beast
Okay, yeah, there's something new they're like a lot of the European players are some of the same people
But they're on different rosters now. It's like but some people's first time playing like P make I don't think they've ever played it
was gone
Prudently or next. I don't know if they've played it was gone. Okay, but they all well they did they did today
Yeah, for very long, but they were there. Yeah, why not very long?
Yeah, yeah, they are okay. They lost right there. All right
Yep
Yep
They were on there. They're a stage time counts guys. It's not about how long you're out there. It's just that you were there
Well, this is good. This is to powerhouse to powerhouse teams
Best road mages in both regions
And you get the games going
people are saying we can't hear them oh now they want to hear them
did these guys know what they want now now you guys want to hear the cast there's a second ago
you wanted to hear us maybe people realize what we're watching now are we going back we swap it
we can swap back if we swap it we got to just be a little more aware of how much we're talking
oh i think okay or we can turn the volume up and down too i mean we let's just there's a lot
going on that's why how about we give our predictions here well they're giving their
predictions we give ours i'm i'm gonna say i'm saying it's a best of seven yeah best of seven so
First of four wins in a row wins everything title hundred a thousand dollars. Yes, everyone's gonna rush the stage excitement. Oh my gosh
Okay, let's do let's do four three. Okay. Well, you just saw that on the screen
Well stupid. He's just copied it. He copied me. He literally heard what he said. He heard me. It was on the screen before you said it
Yeah, yeah, he asked me yesterday when I was I saw Sid in the lobby. He's asking me what he should predict
Okay. Yeah for ugly for three final answer and a
I'm going to say I think it's going to be a 4-3 series and I think Gatorsback is going to take it.
I think 4-3 Gatorsback, yeah.
Okay, so you're going to say the same thing?
No, I already had it said. You just talked first because you're on the left side. That's why.
I think.
But I had that.
Okay, what do you think, Sarge?
I'm thinking, I'm thinking if I had to really guess the way these games are going back and forth, best teams.
I'm gonna have to go 4-3 Gators back.
Gators back 4-3.
That's probably what I'm thinking.
Yeah, it's a good guess.
I feel like it's just a solid one.
You just can't go wrong with that.
That sounds very smart, guys.
What do you guys think?
We're on the same page?
I think the chat probably thinks 4-3 as well.
4-3 is probably just...
I can't really see a number than that.
What are you guys thinking, chat?
4-3 or what?
Oh my gosh.
4-3 for the Gators.
NA is gonna win.
It's gonna be a great night.
This would be the first NA blizzcon victory since we played since we played and now we're back since we played
Okay, that's crazy. And he starts winning when we're back in the finals
We basically won. Yeah, 2018
We'll shift over guys
the table and the oldest time is.
You can't even buy those guys.
You don't sell those.
I'm so excited to.
If you guys went up your team wins to get a WC bliss on 2026.
Well, they only got four there right now.
But you can probably share that.
They're taking out something maybe share or get us back here.
They call here.
Let's go.
Let's go.
We're just exciting.
This is exciting.
That's where it's at.
That's where it's OK.
It's us.
It's going to be a challenge.
Let's go dude. This is the second thing about Wiz's perspective. The second time he's been up there in the Grand Finals
He has to do it this time
Please welcome
This guy doesn't have his jersey on him, does he?
Is that a lot of fight for that?
I don't know if that's allowed.
Wait, he needs a jersey?
Yeah, he could be doing some kind of warm strategy there.
We might have to check the rules on this one.
Yeah, that's crazy.
That's fine though.
Grand finals. Wow.
Dude, look at the griffins on the stage.
The bald eagles.
Dude, here we go.
He might be hiding something in his sleeves.
Maybe a USB?
This Mercy guy looks very serious.
He seems kind of unfazed most of the time.
Cubsie is the guy with the sunglasses.
Very locked.
Some people think he's blind.
He's not.
He has sensitive retinas.
That's why he wears sunglasses.
I've had some people say he's daredevil.
He can actually see though.
Yeah, and he's sober, so I'm not sure.
Some people are.
Yeah, well he used to, he actually played
WoW from Alaska.
He barely had internet and made it
to the top ranks.
Get a long flight.
Get a long flight, too.
Okay.
Not many people know this. He used to be a warrior.
He used to have a shovel transmog and mob.
Dude, I feel like the big difference in these teams, though,
is like Waz and Raikou have so much experience on this darn stage,
whereas like Daze and Calvish, absolute first timers.
Cubs, he quite experienced, but Daze and Calvish are like, you know...
You'd think like being on the stage is Daze and them, but do they...
They're locked in.
They ran and the guy's over. It was insane.
Do you think do you think this is going to be a matter of experience versus that's what I'm saying
I mean, I don't want to call anyone
Aged I guess but like you know usefulness the echo is old youthfulness on the side of gators back versus
True is experience
Experience
Experience I think it's pretty good. Yeah, I mean the stage though
like I was actually on the stage doing a big tournament yesterday with you on
that stage I was on this stage doing a big tournament yeah we were doing a
dungeon clear in the new wow forever were you sitting on the echo side or
I was on Calvish's PC I think. Was something wrong with the PC because you
kept wiping on purpose or no no we weren't our tank was trolling but what
I was gonna say was you know it's a big stage big crowd it's very guys it is
very different than like normally playing at home.
OK, I'm just telling you, very, very different experience.
Right. Walked in.
It's exciting. It's exciting, though.
It's very exhilarating being on the stage.
We need to make sure the admins are checking the EUPCs.
Nothing weird is going on over there.
Just in case. That's what I was saying, man.
Like everyone's got a jersey on.
One guy doesn't know he could be hiding a USB in there,
plugs it in, gets a new add on.
You never know how these guys have been looking at his smile.
Like you think he's hiding something there these guys have had to sit and wait for hours to play guys
They're iced out no warm-up. I was thinking that because it was like Samwise and then hardcore panel
And then they had to wait after a good series. It's like okay, so echo hasn't played for even longer
It's like two plus hours off off a keyboard. So yeah, they play a while ago. Yeah, wow
So I feel like if you're a gamer, you know, you got to like
Fingers the hands everything you cannot go in cold hardcore most deaths happen right when you log in after not playing
Dude, I'm like I'm like shaking a little bit like I'm nervous for that very nervous right now. We're nervous. Oh, they're
Yeah, right on the dummies
Practicing their rotation. Wait, we see they're calm. We see what called the plane
Like they look like
Wait, that was green blue and orange. I thought it was literally a lock hitting the target. I thought it was MLB
I'm looking at the second guy's screen not the guy hitting the dummies
because look okay okay you're on to something you're on to something just
spoiled what caught them did they leak it what is what are they saying they're going to play Hunter
mage druid unless I'm wrong I saw I saw that there why are they lying about the
group tell anyone here's what is good look at his computer who's the hunter wait
no they're playing mage rogue drew there's playing mage rogue they're playing mage rogue
yeah mage rogue R&D okay he has a colorblind setting on maybe he can't see
You can't see
Switch it, switch it
Guys, it's go time
We're gonna let him
And despite Mara throwing at Mara
Holy shit, holy shit
They are more than ready
But this is not good
It's, it's, give it a sec
This pump's coming back
This pump's coming back
Oh my god
Guys, it's floating, just give it a sec
It's gonna load, it's gonna load, it's gonna load
Give it a sec, guys
Give it a time, give it a time
It could take it all
This is gonna be a huge deciding point for them, super
It's been for the second
They show in second they show the banner
to defend their title.
Oh my god.
They come in guns.
It's been so long since they've been decimated.
The streamers all got changed in a while.
They've been in a long time.
It's been a long time.
Here we go!
Do this!
Let's go!
It's a pure shot right now.
WTL has much energy as possible.
Game started.
Getting aggressive here all through both majors.
Identical opener coming out so far from both of these teams.
But they all come together.
but a rogue swamp and it's gonna be a dragon breath
Indra give me ultimate
Rope make sure you get her
I'm not sure if everyone knows that
or the guys but he's sitting through
the entire smoke bomb
I was busting up
it's later's turn
right here on the left
that great play by cutsy
using that strength
no no no right you
heal out of line of sight
and really deny that smoke on a temp
thereby
what right you now
oh beautiful
control on jg
that is not going to do
if this ability is coming out
to deny some incoming damage
sorry I don't know how much
you've run about
I didn't die right now
in the first minute.
He's a fine man.
We need a van to go or something.
Yeah, Dave's up there for you, brother.
We need a van to go.
That was deathmarking.
Everyone's forced to leave.
No, we just need that.
We broke the shield.
Oh, this is really scary.
We're going to get a bus.
We're going to get a bus.
No, we're good.
We're going to get a bus.
Nice.
Oh, Pat.
Pat, Pat.
Pat, Pat.
Pat, Pat.
Pat, Pat.
Pat, Pat.
Pat, Pat.
Pat, Pat.
Pat, Pat.
We got to be careful here 20 seconds on Cubsie Trigga, so we need to do a little step here.
Oh, that's awful.
It's really not good.
We need 15.
Cubsie, Cubsie, let's get that Trigga back.
We're alive, we're alive.
They can't kill it yet.
Okay, we got some damage here, we can get aggressive there.
JT's getting CC.
Okay, they're covering.
They got managed, Trinket, come back.
Full flow.
But they didn't throw anything yet.
They do get a cyclone on JT, but we don't see any offense.
No Kiddly shot just yet.
Double in-cap for our point.
Bring it in.
Bring it in.
Half-wrecked is taking it.
They're crossing three players.
If you put the Kiddies in the wall, it's like not doing much much.
He's corroded on his Trinket.
JT Trinket there.
Wait, what are you trying to do?
They got a Trinket.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Was it blind?
He's still blind.
He has no trinket and death mark coming up in the bus.
They're very threatening.
They've not killed JT.
They've no target.
We'll find our partner.
We're good. We have to run in right now.
Wait, wait, wait. Do you think we're gonna kill Truin?
No way.
JT, JT, JT!
Let's go!
Crap! Crap!
No, no, no!
He has the look!
Oh my god.
Wait, we died on our go.
What just happened?
We died on our go.
Wait, how did we die on our go?
Wait, I thought we were winning.
What happened?
No, we got to watch the replay.
Wow.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
They don't even know what happened.
They're into talking to each other.
That's too fast.
Okay, wow.
That's the best assessment we've got.
Yeah, that's right.
First game, first game.
That's so weird.
I was looking over there.
Oh
Three of us played for all of you top right every all died there
Used at the exact same time
Overlaps man that starts
Yeah, you got a big overnight here. It's the road made over last night
It'll take a sec guys. We'll catch up
Wow, oh, it's just like the label on this one. Yes, like every time we hit the button. It goes black for a sec. I see
Wow
How did we die we need to see that
What
Who knows what
Oh, they didn't show it again. They didn't show it again.
Yeah. Okay. There we go. Here we go.
So here's the ending.
No, this is the beginning.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
We died with Cloco on the guinea.
I thought if he was going to re-sum that kidney in a Groot, it was game.
Yeah, it was right here. They lit this. We bust here.
So what happened? Yeah, we were fine.
They bust, we swapped JT. Right here, JT.
Oh, he was just doing damage.
Okay, the combust literally just solo killed him.
Oh my...
Wow.
If we cloaked there, did he have restaunt?
I didn't see.
He might have.
If he had restaunt, Garota was over.
Did he cloaked?
Yeah.
I don't know if you have that follow-up though.
Wow.
Man, crazy first game.
That felt like bad at first, but brought it back.
It did.
So we'll see.
It did.
Oh, he was disarmed too, so he couldn't even, he couldn't reach them anyways.
Oh, yeah.
Pretty good disarmed by last round. Give him that one.
Give him that one.
Yeah, it looks like he knows what he's doing actually.
Dude, I want more Rogue mage mirrors though. I hope they don't swap comp.
I think it's, I can't imagine they're gonna swap comp.
Wait, we're really gonna see a best of seven all Rogue mage?
I think so.
Dude, this is like the best situation ever.
Oh my gosh.
Most exciting matchup.
The only reason they would switch comp is if they thought they could beat Rogue mage easier,
but I think the best way to beat something overpowered is you gotta play the same thing.
Yeah, yeah, okay
Okay
I thought they were gonna kill over there. This is okay. What do we think about this hook point?
Why would they pick hook point they want to run it? Maybe they want to tie them out. Maybe they're not playing with mage
Can you run down road mage is anything? I mean, I heard I heard some I heard some rumors about some stuff
I heard rumors bro.
Calvish on a wind walker.
The small rumors.
What are they going to kill?
The Druid?
I have no idea.
What is that?
I have no idea.
This is a really scary call.
I'm trying to lock in Monk Rogue.
It's really scary.
This is very cheese.
This might be really good or like wow.
But it's still a best of seven.
One game to just like science work. You gotta remember all these teams right there practicing 15 hours a day
They picked hook point in five seconds
They've made me talk about this in five seconds. They know so maybe they yeah
I heard rumors from some people that like this was actually a calm
What are they gonna kill the Druid in cap stud?
I was thinking kill the Druid or maybe you just maybe you can actually run that like fire mate isn't too tinky
Bro, these guys look very, very calm.
Like, they drew it?
What's his name?
They're drew it as JT.
JT, ice cold, bro.
That's impressive.
Just having a test time.
I would definitely have a look at them.
They're coming off a wing.
They're locked in.
It's easy to feel good when you're winning.
Who knows?
They could run in and get smoked.
I don't know.
This guy is dialed.
100% dialed.
See, they're trying to figure it out.
They're thinking, this is crazy to lock this comp in.
No, this is.
I would feel really uncomfortable trying to do this.
We were just talking about Rogue Maid's beers.
Yeah.
for seven games and they're like okay we think we can choose them here it's like okay
all right see the thing is like we know how this goes man sometimes when you
play a cough like this and it's a little unorthodox look how stress mercy
looks the hardest part is watching as the fourth guy because you can't talk to
your team you're just watching them play they don't let you have your heads it's
just it's actually the most way worse than playing I yeah because you're either
watching your team smoke them or just get destroyed you can do nothing do oh my
Oh my god.
Front row seat to it too.
Yeah bro.
Brutal.
Wiz isn't, I mean, Wiz just, even Wiz looking, I don't know, Wiz looking kind of stressed.
Oh man.
No, no, it's one game.
Okay.
They can even like play this for science.
They can always go back to the road mage.
Yeah.
They'll go back to the Zigg, though, you know.
Come and get a sick win.
Feel good.
You just ride it out.
So, we'll see.
It could be good.
It could be really good or really bad.
It could be like, it could be bad where they play this and they lose and they're like,
oh well, that was terrible.
It's terrible. Why did we do that or they win and it's like
Geniuses we're actually geniuses. No one's ever thought of win walk the road. Yeah hit the button
We just died through from busting in close because comes he was doing damage not yelling
Because oh comes he was trying to resunk as you knew he was this one. Yeah, I got it both points for the stun
Swapping kicks forever.
Okay, good call on the game, Swap.
Oh my God.
Good call.
Good.
There you go.
Okay, here it is.
Here you go, guys.
This is the...
Listen, very tough map to play on.
It's extremely small.
There's nowhere to run.
It's like...
So you make any mistakes early on.
You don't bother, man.
You don't bother.
They're losing to you.
You've walked it.
So they're confident that this is the right move.
There we go.
Oh my God.
Okay.
We walk up a base.
Good move.
Good move.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't realize that.
He's so good.
He's so good.
They can really kill the Rose and Andrew.
They did something for Pika though.
We don't want to be like slimy.
He's not pretty solid.
He's playing for a bit but
For a second.
He's gonna be a very very scary stealth strategy.
It's a mind game.
I don't think anyone knows.
Oh yeah, it's not good.
Oh
Damage is absolutely mild right now days caring
Now's that part we gotta be careful
Oh, man, we just carboned before combust.
This is really scary.
Then he gets into the pillar and daisies in trouble here.
I think we got to go JT.
He's got no skin, but he can kill for Trinket.
How does dais not just contact him?
It could be in trouble.
I think they might.
We got to go JT.
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
There you go.
Trinket, Trinket, Trinket!
Come on, come on!
Come on!
Come on!
Uh, okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
He's a target too, what a life.
Oh my god.
Okay, okay, this is not good.
How does no vision, no trick, no cloak?
Yes, bomb, and we're gonna have to find Waz up.
We can try it now, we can try it now, like quickly.
He's already pre-hot, he's gotta be pre-hoted back here.
What if they both see Waz?
He's got eyes, he's got eyes!
Whoa!
No way!
He's got his eyes!
Get a shadow sight, he's actually trying to find Waz.
I don't know if anyone has eyes.
Oh my God!
Let go of me!
Oh my God!
Dude!
Oh my God!
Oh my God!
That was insane about the words.
Whoa! Whoa!
What is that?
I've never seen that happen to him.
Wait, what? Are we setting up on this?
Oh, the Trinkets are gone!
I need to know Trinkets are gone!
Oh, no, no, no!
I'm gonna go behind the floor and he wants me to get the shot from Trinkets.
Oh, no, no!
I'm gonna go behind the floor and he wants me to get the shot from Trinkets.
I'm gonna find the spot.
Wait, uh, Trinkets are there, but Cubsies...
I really wanna see if they can get more psychological.
And then, of course, Trinkets, they really need to get Trinkets from Trinkets.
Right here, because that's what happens.
I was about to read the courageous play, and you can see the reason.
I'm gonna go down to the damage.
Calvish, getting isolated.
Trying to get the Trinkets.
Trinkets are there on this.
So what are we thinking about?
The problem with winning off the road, I feel like it's open to self.
You need to be able to go to mage.
But they're not ever hitting the mage.
I think it's bad. I think you have to.
Because look what happens when you don't.
It's too telegraphed trying to set up on the road, that's possible.
If you're trying to only try to road the mage, you can do whatever he wants.
It's maximum damage out, CCC.
I don't think that's going to happen to him.
Sorry.
It looks like he's probably going to walk away with this one.
Yeah, he's a very good champ.
And that's a play.
He grabbed the eye.
You guys see how I stepped in now?
I thought he was going to stand up there and he was going to stand up.
But you can stand in play.
He tried.
He got the ball to him and he's so incredibly well.
Wow.
I've never seen someone grab the eye.
I like that.
That's like an older strat.
That's crazy.
I was usually switched for a drive to I-15G, just to make it to the sky, in the bomb, on the pin, and it was one there, that would have been a place that would have been unbelievable.
To do it on walls, too, would be like, oh my...
Well, yeah, it was...
To be able to...
Oh my god.
I don't know if they saw me on it, it was like, that was crazy.
Were they absolutely seems like they could have gotten that first.
What do we do now?
We gotta go back to what we made.
I think was actually super who was saying, you know, if Echo's going back here, it's time to go back.
I don't know what do you guys think how this sound you know guys it's a chill or we just completely
Greeting the audio
It's fine. It's okay. I
Think it's chill. It's mixed. You know, I mean it's a mix. I think in the game though
We got a lot of casters with but there's no way
It's good, it's good, it's high.
Dude, I can't believe that I play.
This was so close too.
We need to see the replay.
I want to see what happens at the end.
There was no bust or anything.
You're already Kingsman.
Two kind of awkward deaths.
So what happened?
I don't know where Zero Second Clones is.
Oh, stunned from JT.
Look at the damage.
Calvish.
Calvish?
I was hit 500k.
Wait, was it 300k this whole game?
No, it was 40 seconds in.
Oh, okay.
Oh yeah.
I'm tripping.
Oh yeah, I'm trippin'.
But at the end of the game, Calvish, I mean it's subbed.
Yeah, Calvish's not much damage.
If you left the damage it's subbed,
but still, like it's a different game.
You're trying to burst someone.
It's hard as subbed to get the burst too,
because the druid is keeping the hots rolling
on the guy that they want to kill.
So it's like, if they don't have any pressure on anyone else,
why is he going to move the hots on the guy
that is most likely going to die?
So it's hard to get the setup.
Dude, Calvish, we got to give respect
that he can play on the BlizzCon stage,
on a mage and on a road.
which just supports a very hard spec to play as well.
And Mage is also very tactical,
so switching back and forth is even crazier.
Have we ever seen a player switch between Rogue and Mage
on the stage?
I don't think so.
No one plays Rogue and Mage.
No one plays both, except this guy.
Yeah.
I don't know how Calvary's done.
That's a great point.
Notoriously and wow, no one has ever
altered a Mage because the class is just.
It's fairly difficult.
Yeah.
It's a very hard class to play.
Historically, you have to main a Mage because it's tough.
Yeah.
I have heard that before.
No one else is doing that in the game.
Honestly, no one really ults like Rogue as much either, I feel like.
I mean, yeah, Rogue's pretty tough.
I'm just saying, I'm just saying, there's some class that you see more ults of.
You know?
Same I am.
Same I am.
He doesn't play Rogue.
He's a mage main.
He's a mage main.
Two plays Rogue with him.
Same plays Boomkin too.
Yeah, I mean the only Rogue game play too was what, Outlaw, right?
Double outlawed cheese, come on, like, so does that count?
No, that doesn't count.
He played no room on stage.
I'm just trying to think of examples here.
They tried again.
They're trying again.
They're going win-walker twice?
Maybe Snuts, did Snuts ever do that?
No, he had wealthy man playing there.
But Snuts is not.
No.
Snuts never really played mage too much here,
there, but not too much.
I don't think anyone's actually done it.
I think no one's done it.
No one's done it.
No one's done it.
Yeah.
Which, so anyway, that's crazy impressive,
like even more impressive.
I don't think anyone's like straight-up history.
No, he's solid.
plays everything I cannot believe Rogan mage at this level never seen that before
in the history of the game I mean if we're playing we're playing this again
what's the straw we gotta have faith right I mean I feel like it's a very
biased cast or desk here but you have to give some credit to the Europeans here
a little bit I go up to oh play roping I have to hit that react I think right
again okay it's not something that's been the best team in the world guys for
years except until 2018 yeah yeah what happened in 2018 they fought us
All right, here we go.
All right.
They need to get a point on the board.
This is where they're going to try to do a peek at.
Another small map on Walker Road, bro.
We need to attack the enemy.
We're going to get a small map.
Attack the enemy.
Okay.
Call for a leash.
I hope Talosha's not being countered.
He's shooting at me.
He's getting pushed.
Nice.
Nice.
Mate, isn't the only target that you can't treat the road with.
Matchup that we've all been waiting for.
As long as I can remember, that seems to be the case.
Another stealth, right?
Yeah, let's not forget the last game.
What if Talosha was a stealth?
Oh
to bring the frost preventing them from worshiping.
He's going to swap on the wall.
No way! No way! No way!
No way! No way! No way! No way!
Oh my gosh! He lives. He lives.
He lives. He lives. He lives.
He's swinging. He's barred. He's barred.
He's going to go their attention onto JT as he prepared for it.
He's going to swap.
That is going to put his team back.
What else is there to do?
He's going to swap.
Not sure, but it's fine. It's fine.
Calisthenics will have to finish this.
I love the first round of offensive good on the bridge thing really well
Look here slowing him down and that's what I like you made here
Oh my God!
Through everything!
That's why they played this!
Oh my God!
Oh my God!
Oh my God!
That was lucky!
That was a lucky kill!
Oh my God!
Oh my God!
Oh my God!
That was crazy!
That was such a lucky kill!
That was so lucky!
I'll be trying to double up on our luck and do the same thing.
I'll be doing it.
I'll be doing it.
I'll be doing it.
Yeah, yeah, I'll be doing it.
I'll be doing it.
I'll be doing it.
There's smoke after that.
That was so trolled.
Dude, Talvis three million damage done.
It's all high value damage.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's true.
Absolutely.
It's very bad as well, man.
It's like when you're looking at your Auri stats and you see you do a lot of damage,
a lot of it is worthless damage, right?
Low value damage on tanks.
No.
Poke damage, not landing kills.
My Auri damage is halvish.
Are you not doing high champion damage?
How much damage is high value?
Very high damage.
No, no, no, very high value damage.
Big difference.
Okay, that's not...
What's your damage like when you're winning a champion's life?
A champion damage dealt.
Are you up there?
Are you top 2?
Every single game.
Okay.
I'm always top value.
Okay.
I'm always top 2.
Top damage.
Dungeons.
Dude, that was such a sick kill.
Dude, that was...
That's it.
That was...
I wanna watch that again.
Like again, again, again.
Dude, that was pretty lucky.
That was like...
They killed him in a DRG, but it was really close.
Double Trinket, double Trinket.
But that's what this cloth does, it's so much damage on the stage, all the nerfs.
One big crit.
It can be quick man, it can be quick.
Like right here, look, look, he, he trinkets high too, doesn't he?
Yeah.
Oh!
Trinket low, Trinket low.
Trinket low, close.
Yeah, I got re-sun.
Wow.
That was a high close and close trinket too.
That was actually, that was a total checkmate.
All right, that's all we got to do skill them skill like that. Whoa, whoa, whoa
Wow
Dude
Okay, we'll go spumps every time every time there's up on the arms. Oh my god. We're gonna lock in that same thing on our team
I'm thinking we picked
The same match over here. Actually, we have to pick first. Yes. Yeah, we have to go in blind
We have to go unblind what counters win Walker wrote like they're gonna play
Well, the problem is I think we walked a rogue on a big map is not
What if they pick no, they're doing it again. There's no wrong with it. Okay. Here we go. Okay
They all seem locked they all seem dialed seems good. Maybe it's not that bad for them on a big map, right?
Munkin port the go
Doesn't feel good
I don't think it's good, but I'm just trying to picture myself running at rogue mage on imperian and it's
No, I'm getting dragged 40 yards away. You're yelling at me. I don't like it. I don't like it. Don't like that. I do not like it
Okay
I'm losing my voice instantly here. This is
This is high
We saw an echo commit under the compulsion, as well as the king face on the coffee.
Alright, there's a real series people. Real series. It's not a sweep.
One to two right now.
Echo is up two to one. Grand finals.
BlizzCon. First actual BlizzCon finals.
So I like that, but they just go with it.
And for Echo, I think it was just a perfect setup that came out from the haters.
like many pop drops for life's sake man, I've had plenty of these, they're good
and it reduces damage, that's all this Hawking do, the most effective swap for a Rogue is always going to be
you sheep him or your dragon breath him or you swap out of a cyclone or a blind
and then you try to hunt for an O-down, and they do that when Iron Book is down, first to four and we're able to JT
so, Iron Book is down, even if, last trade, this is a more neutral map, so, luck harder to win with these cheese guns on this map
So
That's really big.
Bob was, they can smoke GT again.
That was a huge late sweep.
Oh, that one comes easy.
Wow, yeah.
Perfect. Full Hotsuit.
They're looking quick with the set up.
Heller's recovering.
Can't kill GT.
Wait, was it Bob?
They got a parented on as you...
Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
They're getting close.
What? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa!
Oh, they get behind him.
Nothing left.
No trick.
Nothing.
No trick.
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
He should have trinkets.
What is a trinket?
Brayku needs to do something to stop this next.
I'm not going to let him go to that line.
Ten of them got a cool bounce.
We're set the pots off the wall.
That was their next big win condition.
But the good news is they've got more of those.
Oh, yeah.
They're running in.
They're all pushing in.
No.
They have everything that they need.
They're trying to get up on the wall.
All down here.
Beautiful.
I like this on a wild to swim up gouged in.
How do we catch?
They have a lot of time right now to set up a kill on the side of Gators.
They could do it on the wilds. They could do it on the JT and Ekko no jay.
This is their bus?
They're trying to get to the south.
I was asking about it.
I don't think this is dead.
We can double deal with that.
They're going to go to the south.
Ekko let's drink the JT.
Both of them.
But watch it still form in danger, stun up JT, this procter pole is unrelenting from Hunzey.
It looks like Waz finally stable now swapping here on the company.
Trying to find their footing and find some momentum, but we don't know if our sound level's changed.
Accurately have zero practice against Gator's back, whipping this out seemingly on the fly.
At the bottom of the fall, they're trying to get some advantage.
Blind on Waz.
Wait, right.
Great defensive line, this is big.
We gotta run it down.
They're running.
Get in there, get in there.
He stopped Waz!
I'm right here for the wind walker.
This is tough.
No good target.
Where are they going to go?
Gators back to the queue.
Opening here.
They're going to get his trinket.
Immediately.
They're going to get his trinket.
Oh!
Get him!
Get him!
Oh!
Oh!
Nice!
Wow!
Two to two!
He's alive!
It's Bust.
It's Bust.
Wait, that Bust is one.
He's not three and Gators.
That Bust, no trinkets.
No trinkets.
No trinkets.
That's enough.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
That was crazy.
Oh my god.
Dude.
Oh my god.
That shook a little bit after that.
I told you it gets hard when she loses one.
It's like, oh man.
Don't it's tied up. I cannot believe a bit Walker Rogues working dude
They got JT the trinket killed him literally
It was like I was like I didn't see that opportunity. We got a lot to replay that's some classic
road shit that is that is a little classic strats
When you see that as replay we get a NS loan JT. He trinkets three seconds. It was it was the clone down three seconds later guys
So Cubsy top left we're looking at nature swiftness and he's gonna use that
Just there at JT's frame. He's gonna trinket three seconds later done. Yeah
It's coming. Yeah, drink it. Right here. Yeah, look at the cooldown. Oh my god.
What did he trinket? NS clone.
They went was, NS clone JT trinket immediately died five seconds later.
Dude, that swap was so fast. They were ready for it.
That was a nasty clone.
Nasty.
I think he trinketed and barked the other guy too. It was so overkill.
Even Cubsys attacked him too, got the kill on him.
We're back in this guys. We are back in this 2-2, tied it up. It's real.
It's a real series.
Wow.
It's a whiz game. I think I saw him smile for a second.
It is. It is.
No, that back now had to feel good.
Yeah. It was like, alright.
That was a big map too. That's a hard map.
Okay, this is an even bigger map.
Yeah, tough map.
Yeah, I mean, they have another big map after this.
I mean, they're Madrax's.
Karen locked in though, I don't know.
I told you though, big map didn't look that bad.
It did not seem that bad at all.
They did a great opener though.
They got the best start ever.
They got both trinkets and skin instantly.
Wow. Look how fast they walk in.
When you walk in faster,
it gives your team less time to figure out what to do.
Yo, Jolly Z, think of the prime.
Oh, that's the czar.
Oh, think of the prime to the czar.
Thanks for shouting out the prime.
Gotcha. Our prime subs working right now. Oh, I don't know. They're working
three from butterscene
Patersky butterscene, okay. Yeah, two three fifty eight months. I think he's a Patersky. So yeah, two three subs work
It looks like two or three subs work prime subs work. Okay
Okay, let's do bits work as well. Oh here now the prime sub emo to the Zards
Oh my god, dude, you know, I feel you know how I know I'm tense my knees hurt
Really, I'm squeezing my elbows
To start to sweat, but I'm ice-cold
How's for 10 hours
Dude, I'm all the logs. Oh my god, I think we're getting in soon
the game. Okay, so that's your
stand with the road. Got to
get this one sometimes. Two in
a row now? Come on. I would
have liked a road rage mirror
but I have to say this makes a
lot of sense. This is a bit
cooler than the road rage
mirror I think. Dude, all I know
is I feel like I'm finally getting
my voice back today. If we
win, we're coming in here.
This is going to be a enormous
I
Yeah, that was a little scary, right there.
We're getting CCs right now.
We have to manage, maybe.
Oh man, oh man, oh man, oh man.
He didn't watch.
This is a tough ball.
Lift.
We have to stop.
We have to stop.
Lift now.
We have to stop.
We have to stop.
We have to stop.
We have to stop.
We have to slow it down, I get some momentum, like Jason is running so far, wait, no way.
We're full sheet right now, Cousins full sheet. Cousins, you need to stop this.
Wait, Waz blinded, Cousins.
Half-limes
You can't be right here.
Cowboys, cowboys.
Cowboys lost huge blind there.
Oh, that was blind.
Wow, that was a game-winning blind there.
That was a tough one.
They can still lose though.
One more yard.
They have one more yard to live.
Oh my god.
They also got a shot.
Oh, he got this on a wad.
Wow.
Wads has to drink it.
And no before next year.
So...
Yeah, we're going back.
Yeah, he has that combus.
They're fine.
They should be okay.
They're fine.
How do we get pressure?
So far, he's too far.
Yeah, they have to walk it up.
I think we're OK.
OK?
No, he's doing a good job making it annoying getting to him.
We've got to rock Wads down.
We're walking to JT.
We're pushing in.
He's crossing.
We catch him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
28.
Oh!
Oh, baby.
So come to check it out.
Yeah, we're OK.
Good.
I want to shrink it so no one's at risk of going right now.
Shunt.
It's very scary if a wall is happening to one of these guys.
Yeah, he has a beautiful ramp of iron bark on the wall.
He has a deep death mark.
I'm going to pull this Triggett out, baby.
Press the push here on the counters, but unfortunately,
just no damage to follow it up.
Cyclone will now be used on Talvis,
and that was a beautiful ring of peace thereby.
It's crazy how different the game is.
It's so fast, and it's like everyone's trying to figure out what to do.
Yeah, I'll treat it back right now.
He's so patient.
He has all of his room.
He has his room.
He's still low.
He's got the kicker shot.
He has a quick screen.
He'll use the bottom of the wall.
He gets rolled on the Triggett.
Oh
We don't have
the intensity of my god.
Wait, Waz is kind of running around dying too.
Well, the other camera.
I'm here.
Jason.
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Come on!
He stopped his time.
Oh, evasion, evasion, evasion.
Dive, two, dodgy.
Come on, Waz!
Watch out!
Oh!
Watch out!
Oh!
There's more!
Oh!
Oh my God!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
He's the best!
You're giving me!
Oh my God!
Oh my God.
He blinded him through evasion to get like one hit through to get the touch range.
Oh my God!
Oh my god
The entire last 20 seconds with masterclass that was crazy
Wow
on the clone in that clone game he got a stun off the
and he got the race done and he got the race done
he like meld stun him or something too
I think he and then he uh incapped clone fake cs
but since he had to follow he then meld
raked stun clone I think that's what happened
I think they started off too they started off with uh
they didn't even start off with cowards just stun
they started off with daze stun
sweep into bomb and cowards came into the bomb to sweep
he trinket evasions he blinds him
probably tells him to kick him out of the block
let's see
No, no, they gotta
When you're running way the longest also scary to and it was like yeah, they're just slowly running away was
Got defensive line there
Exactly what I was saying he like gets the the roar fakes this yes self stuns and clones
I was game-winning my folksy. Can you roar if you're kicked? No. Oh, yes. Yes
Wow, I want to see it again. Yeah, yeah, he's completely cooking about any bones out. Oh
Yeah, they blind eviscerate and a tiger palm it was not for touch range through vision, but I guess he was dead anyways with clone
I don't think they have anything else.
What can you play?
I don't know.
Are you going to put your last BlizzCon game on something that you haven't put 10,000
games into?
Look, they're talking, they're trying to figure it out.
I don't know.
Do I give it up?
It's like hundreds of thousands of dollars, so much time in the making, and you're down
three games in a row.
Well, it's like you were one
Where's this more nervous than all of us?
Oh, this is crazy
All I know is I slept for two hours. I've been about all day in pain tired
This is well worth it. This is unreal. This is how I feel like
None of that's gonna matter. Yeah, I feel like I'm gonna lose my mind. I'm on a
This is insane. This is crazy. This is insane.
This is literally insane.
Guys, if you're just now tuning in, this is the first BlizzCon finals in 7 years.
NA is up right now. Gators back 3-2. 3-2.
Next game could win everything.
They lost 2. They won 3 in a row.
Guys, they're walking the same stuff.
Meltraxxus.
New map. Big map again.
Okay, this is everything right here. Dude. Look at the crowd. Look at the crowd. This is so massive.
This is bullpact. They didn't respect what they did. Seriously.
This is what happens when the NAs are finally on site. The crowd.
Dude, this is what I miss. 100,000 attendance. The yearly AWC carries the whole eSport, you know?
All the tournaments, man. Across the board, have you seen the Overwatch arena?
It's massive.
It's proofing what I'm talking about.
Overwatch arena is sick.
would walk or subtlety row competition.
It seems very effective.
It's exciting, man.
There's so many people.
Everywhere you go, everyone loves the tournament.
Tournament at BlizzCon all of matters.
I think.
Which with my cough drop.
I just hate it.
I'm probably going to swallow it.
I did.
I had to eat it.
I got jerk on it.
You have no choice.
Oh my God.
Oh my God.
This could be it.
This could be it.
This could be it.
Game 6.
4-2.
Come on.
Come on.
Come on.
why there's a bad mattress.
Whatever this is the last big map.
This is the last big map.
Oh my god, bro.
Chills again.
Chills again.
Let's get it.
Point is certainly going to try.
And I see this is going to be the high end of the GWC.
Game, game, game, game.
I don't want to imagine any more.
It's going to happen.
All bad.
All bad.
Gets them open.
It's open.
It's gone.
Match point between Gators back.
Yeah, they got a 10-6, no trinkets, Trinkets there.
Yeah, that is awesome.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Yeah, Trinkets are looking to chop their way to a victory here
and become your new champion.
Can they do it?
They've got him the first cool down off the checklist.
I'm not sure what to get from what they put in them.
Oh my, that's hard to understand.
I have to respect the small plom.
They've got a piece of trinkets long.
Oh, we set that on guard here.
Oh, oh, they set that on guard.
Oh, the wild panic about Trinkets there.
And that is going to allow right you to be of situation.
Oh, so in trouble with the Vast is.
JT holding Alters trinket very unfortunate if that paralyze broke, otherwise that could have been JT's trinket, but still, the pressure is insane here from the Gators.
Talbush in a little bit of danger here, still looks like Rake stun goes down there to cut, the counter is getting low, but a counter stun here onto Waz, Rake peels by Gaze, but...
a lot of CCs.
Yeah, great job, general.
Beautiful ring.
Elvish is off.
Excellent job.
He's fine.
Four hits.
He should be alive.
And allowing that to get another big death mark.
Big, big bear right now.
He's tough.
He's tough.
We're good.
We're good.
We're good.
We're good.
We're good.
We're good.
We're good.
We're good.
We're good.
We're good.
We're good.
We're good.
We're good.
We're good.
We're good.
I
It's was, it's was, it's was, we got 20 on Zinus, we need month damage.
Or just bait JT to treat him, so JT could get stunned and guys, and so could YG.
Oh my god, they stuck him.
They're blind, we blind, we blind.
JT, it's a blind.
They can do it again man, they can shut down.
JT could trigger their violation right now.
That's what I'm saying.
Yup, yup, yup.
They can go lost, swap JT, kill through Triggett, and they out.
They don't have an early or on, another Cyclone comes up.
JT's farmer, JT's farmer, we gotta go, we gotta go now.
It's happening, it's happening.
Oh, they're so far now, they're so far.
Oh, I know it's right.
They're playing safe.
Wow.
Wow.
They know the game was, it was so, it could have went either way.
Help us get the eye.
Help us get the eye.
Oh, oh, wait, no way.
No way, no way, no way, no way.
Help us get the eye.
Oh, God!
No, no, no, it's happening!
It's happening!
Damn!
Riker, quicksand!
There is no way!
Come on, Jason!
Come on!
Come on!
Hold on!
Come on!
No, no, shit!
Oh my gosh!
Oh my gosh!
Oh my God!
Dude, that was tough!
They're not part of the game.
Yes!
Yes!
Oh, my God!
Oh, my God!
Yes!
Oh, my God!
Wow!
That is...
Woo!
We are set!
Are you ready?
Woo!
Beautiful performance.
Oh, my God!
Oh, let's go!
Oh, my God!
Whoo!
Absolutely blue.
Dude, that is insane.
Wow, bro.
Wow.
Wow!
Guys, USA, they're just goddamn chat.
Oh, my God.
That is such a game.
That is a legendary game.
Whoo!
We have a new entire
Brains
We just won
Holy shit, I feel
I feel amazing
I feel amazing
This is the one I'd like to win
This is it
Is that the most insane thing we've ever seen in our lives?
Did anyone think that was winnable?
Wow
The three piece across the board. Oh my gosh
Oh my gosh
We need to hear the crowd come down for Gator's back.
They proved that despite the competition, despite the legends
echo standing before them, the theater back could rise and make them fall.
This was a phenomenal series and a huge congratulations to the team.
Guys, when your teammates win BlizzCon, is it normal to cry?
Is it normal to cry when your teammates win?
Is that normal to cry?
Is that normal to cry, guys?
Yes, Chris.
When your teammates win.
Oh, my God.
Wow.
Wow.
What the fuck is that?
Oh, my God.
I'm choking up.
I'm not going to announce wow forever.
I'm still here.
Wow.
Wow.
Wow.
This is incredible.
Goddamn.
The support you have.
We got to listen to this, guys.
Thank you, Chris.
I'm not seeing the BlizzCon stage for seven years.
Wow.
What does this moment mean to you?
It's just amazing. I don't even have any other words.
I can't eat.
I might have lost. You gotta watch that one.
That's fine, that's fine.
Looking back to when you guys first formed this roster, did you imagine that you would be standing here someday?
I think, I think I did. I think I did imagine it.
Amazing, I love the confidence.
Alright Dave, you've got your entire family over here all the way from Wisconsin.
What does it mean to have their support?
I mean, they're the best, they're the best family in the world for sure.
It's easy, easy, easy. They're the best, Chris Murray.
Is there anything you'd like to say to all your other supporters out in the audience today?
He's in the Army!
You want me to skip you again?
All right, any final thoughts, anything that you'd like to say from your performance today?
Thanks to all the fans, thanks everyone back home watching.
Hi mom. Hi mom!
Alright, one more time for Gators back!
And I do have a special guest that will be joining us, Salvador, as you might know him,
or Rodney Ferre, who's going to be joining us for some words.
Hello BlizzCon!
On behalf of the World Warcraft Development Team, I would like to give a congratulations to Gators back to the victory here tonight.
We have a hot house here, we had over 100,000 players watching online from around the world
and thank you for watching it for your viewership.
The Roars from the crowd tonight were bitteros and the champs were really exciting.
The players were getting low and getting stung down the pillar.
It was amazing to be here for this event.
Thank you.
Wow, Arena.
How's a special place in my heart?
Wow, Arena has a special place in my heart.
It's been 20 years and I have many, many friends,
some of my best friends are from this game,
and I'm sure it's the case for many of you as well.
I've been playing PvP, obviously, with all of you,
and I'm so proud to be a part of this community and with you guys.
So let's hear it one more time.
Wow
Guys one more time
Holy shit
Oh my god
Arena games ever played are you
I'm glad we got to witness that.
That was legend.
That was the whole trip.
Absolutely legend.
Wow.
All for that.
That was insane.
I'm so happy for Calender's man.
That was so awesome.
That was crazy.
Calvish, Wiz, Dei, Cubsie.
Those guys are gods.
That is insane.
First time ever playing in a land for a Calvish at Dei's.
They didn't lose a single game.
I was like, you know, nervous enough because this is the first time on a stage like that.
The nerds have got to be getting through, but they just play so well.
They're inhuman.
Literally.
Unbelievable.
I cannot believe it.
And then dude, recalibration from the mage to the rogue.
Yeah.
And still pulls this off.
They both multi-classed.
That's even crazier.
I mean, I feel like it's kind of a flex to be playing mage into rogue mage, and then
you play your rogue into rogue mage and win versus the best mage rogue in the world.
Supposedly.
Oh, I guess not after today.
You're playing mage against the best mage and rogue against the best rogue.
road. That is insane. Same day. That is wow. Holy shit. That is insane. We did it.
Congratulations. Thank you. Wow. Dude, Wiz must be feeling. We need to get a goddamn interview.
That's wrong. That's right. These guys are coming over here. Where's my, they're right now. We let
them do their thing, man. That's insane. I can't. Wow. Yo, that was, I'm not gonna lie. That was some
nasty plays that was discussed
No, what's ever done that that definitely had to have shocked him like that was like
Did it twice crystal into step-sab twice
So she's an honorary fan. Yeah, that's good. Okay. I remember playing in Calvish like
Eight years ago or something. I'm like this guy's on the come-up. It's like 12 years old or something
It's a beast
Yeah, it's like 20 on the stage
It's so cool, man. It's so cool
What do you think about him is he's like Jason same person
Same as you a little bit
Pretty much a little bit. I'm just quick. My voice is so quick. I'm gone. That was a
I want to go get a big hug later. That is so cool. I cannot believe we just wait. Oh my gosh
We just watched that live. Wow here. We all got to see that dude. We finally saw USA win the con. Yes
What a moment. What a moment watching with you guys
Watching with you too. That was that was amazing. So we could say the best region
It's USA. Yeah. Yeah
2026 World of Warcraft. I mean, I think too like yeah
I mean we get winner right like we get to play against them no two or
Should we we could take games off those guys?
Should we work in them also like are you guys beating classic? Wow? Yeah, hardcore speed leveling
Cuz I mean I got 60 literally none of them. Yeah
Oh my god
Like I don't even know I don't even know what to say
Still look kind of like shaking hands, still processing.
What an insane BlizzCon.
I would have never guessed. I don't even know.
I wanted to see a Calvish vs. Waz finals, and we got it.
I honestly thought Calvish might have needed a few appearances to win.
To come here, first time to win is just insane.
Didn't drop one game. Never playing on a stage before.
That is unreal.
So I get youthfulness takes over?
Yes, so? I don't know.
I was just different
Well, technically they have they also have experience right because they have cub
Yeah
Okay
Well, we wrap it up the stream here then I think it's almost time for a wrap. We wrap it up
I think wow and then I'm gonna go I'm gonna go see the team and just wow
Don't yeah, yeah, I can't believe we won. Let's wrap this. Yeah guys history today was
Absolutely legendary try to hit absolutely everything from my side
I was bouncing back between panels and couch and panels and couch so yeah
You're going hard man hardcore announcements classic announcements
AWC
This is the most crazy blizzcon of your life. Yeah
This is nuts. This is the most crazy blizzcon of all time. Wow
Wow, I actually don't even know
Wow guys
Who is we guys we've been over this which is on Gators back whiz was our team, right?
I actually played arena with you guys. Yeah, you guys played arena with yeah, and whiz played Calvish
So like we all won today. All of us. I don't know if there's that many
Well, you I don't think it goes that far, but you don't think he does it not count
Yeah, we need a fourth though
It's not quite that far, but it does we do reach the
Wow
No, I don't think that's how they
Yeah, we'll see what they'll probably be able to straighten that out. I don't know all I know is
We definitely want and I'm gonna celebrate like we want. I'm gonna celebrate like we want that's what matters
That's what matters
Yeah
Drinks on Pika guys if you see us at the Hilton
No, it's on whiz.
On whiz.
Oh, wait.
That's why they want drinks on whiz.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Water's on Calvish.
Yeah, put those funds to the test.
That's what we need.
Wow.
Man, that was so hype watching that.
I actually cannot wait to go back and just chill
and start fresh on classic forever.
That is so much more relaxing.
Wow, that was brutal.
I feel like I pulled a muscle in my back screaming.
I've been sitting here tensed over the whole time watching.
Yeah, that was.
He does, but we're sitting on the couch.
He was still drained.
We're I'm down we need to play we didn't do anything actually
Oh my god
We got to wrap it up. We just thank you all just say and they're all for the best days of our lives
Yeah, unbelievable subs resets all the love you guys are insane
GGs GGs everybody is there like a
This is this is the OBS so it's just soft streaming I think we gotta do a quick
You guys ask
I'm not doing a quick ad here. Oh, okay. I didn't want to say that. Oh, yeah letters, but you know, can we all hit a
No, you all hit now. I don't know if I'm trying to figure out to turn the stream up, but there's this
Okay, so we might sorry do you want to hit an ad break as well slash commercial?
Okay
All I'll hit a little slash commercial
bro I completely lost my voice there yeah I'm gonna have to figure out what
yeah I'm down I'm good GGs everybody GGs everybody GGs I think we're out
wow yeah