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!DROPS, CLASSIC FOREVER BETA | MAGE COUNSEL TODAY | DISCUSSING ALL THINGS FOREVER
09-22-2026 · 8h 20m
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We'll double the U.S. height.
Probably West Hyde, I hate the acronym.
I don't know what I'm doing here, but I'm just going to go back to my room and see what I can do.
I don't know what I'm doing here, but I'm just going to go back to my room and see what I can do.
Good morning chat and happy, I don't know what day it is.
Is it Tuesday?
Yes, it is Tuesday.
Happy Tuesday.
Oh, it's September 22nd, the day after my birthday.
I should have known that.
Guys, today's gonna be a good one.
Today is going to be a good one.
It's gonna be a really good one.
Actually, before we even full cam, look how beautiful the game is, man.
Goodness gracious.
Start off with a morning glaze.
Are you kidding me?
Look at this thing, dude.
The water, the lighthouse, the fog, the lighting.
Goodness gracious.
Disgusting.
So good.
So good.
When is the council?
The mage council is happening today.
It's gonna be a fun day, guys.
We're gonna see if we have time to hit a quick video.
Then we're gonna hit the mage council in one hour.
We're getting together Ziko and VanRookie
two of the best mages that exist in the world, I think,
and we're gonna have a conversation
about the state of mages, what we like,
what we don't like, et cetera.
G-Bay video, dude, yes, okay, there's a G-Bay
and there's a Willy.
We might have to do some tomorrow.
And then after that, we're gonna get into some hearing
and after that, we're gonna get into some World PVP.
So it'll be probably like either the G-Bay or the Willy.
What's the what's up with sawing you?
One sec.
Um...
Yo, can I get someone to sit in my group real quick?
Can someone whisper me that doesn't mind just sitting in my group?
I need to get someone in group real quick.
So yeah, it'll probably be, uh, like, willy or chi-be into mage council, into keering, into world pvp.
I do, I literally can't wait.
Uh, we got someone, will. Thank you, brother.
There's gonna say you're gonna pay FK
I'm in a rate of Pashir and show back taking Ashen veld and Durotar come with us that sounds legendary
We're gonna do that in like five hours from now. We have a full schedule today, man
Dude, this is the sickest time ever man like literal. Oh my gosh
Sickest time ever. How are your 200 push-ups? I actually just a light jog this morning. I was like sick last week
I'm still like a little not a hundred percent. So I wanted to go real easy
from having so much fun at the game, dude,
this is like literally just the best.
This is like the absolute best stretch.
Here we go, says Ura, I got you.
Jubbin, thanks for the five, saying good morning.
Sorry, using Bagnator and Litrix,
you can use Blitz Move instead.
Yeah, I'm gonna mess with my add-ons
like all when the game actually comes out.
So, anyway, that's what's happening there.
Cove, thanks for the prime, what's good, man?
Um, are you farming that battlemage item? No, you can't use it till 21.
You're just going live? Yes, we're just going live.
Litrix pro is great. Yeah, serious. Thanks for the prom. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning.
You think the p2p faction lock will be permanent?
I hope not, but I don't know. I don't know.
How's your day? It's doing well. Swag as your day going.
use your blizzard connects and get the server restarted guys guys I you guys
think I have way more power than I do like this is insane there is so many
people hitting me up basically saying like yo czar tell blizzard to do this you
absolute trolls you guys think I have any impact here like this is crazy we're
like I'm getting DMs of DMs like you have a friend who has a friend that like
really needs you to do this and I'm like brother I'm not blizzard man like I
don't know what's going on this is insane um good it's gracious
right you were on the blizzard big screen I true true I mean that technically
is true we all know you're actually the CEO yeah could you imagine we hear from
mingle I've seen I've talked to me like a few weeks months ago maybe Zara's name
was actually John Blizzard, the guy that was like incredibly helpful from Blizzard over
BlizzCon, it was actually named John. Actually a couple people very helpful. Kyle was helpful
too and Alex, but John, yeah John Blizzard actually owns. Check out the Overlord add-on,
yeah looks sick. We'll check that out like later tonight. Who is the head of Blizzard
now anyways we it depends what kind of what kind of head you're looking at that sounded
wrong i think for classic andes we're looking at holly is like okay and we have josh is like
okay but if we're talking like like blizzard blizzard okay guys don't make it weird
what's her name joanna what's her actual name it's like it starts with a j right joanna
It's definitely not Joanna. I'm saying this is it actually it's Hydra
Joanna, I didn't know whatever
Every time I come to this dream it suggest he's playing Wow, but he's only in a full cam simulator
Yes, we start with full cam for like a second pair
Joe Johanna, it's not Johanna. It's Johanna. I'm saying that wrong still
Guys, if you're a classic Andy, we're looking at like Holly, Clay, Josh, Nora, Anna, Tim.
Those are, that's our team here.
You know what I'm saying?
The J is silent.
What?
Wait, the J and Joanna silence.
It was just Ohana.
There's no way it's a silent J. Ohana?
What?
What?
John with a silenche on.
I'm getting trolled. There's no way.
I'm literally getting trolled.
Anyway, it's not the point, guys.
The point is today is going to be amazing.
We're getting together some of the smartest mage brains I know.
Alright, I mean all mage players are really smart, that's just what it takes to be a mage.
But we're going to get the smartest of mages together and we're going to put our brains
together and see if we can't figure out how to make this rotation more exciting, more
fun.
Let's turn it a two button rotation into a four button rotation.
Okay, that's what we're thinking.
A mage council.
Wait, is council spelled with it?
I have it with an E in the title. Hopefully that's right. I don't even know.
My, my, oh, my, oh.
Oh my gosh. The game just looks so good.
Like, I just can't believe how good the game looks. Hello, fellow gnome.
Counsel, wait, it's with an I?
What? My stream title's wrong. Counsel or Counsel.
Counsel is a noun that refers to a group of people.
Council is oh gosh, this is embarrassing
I'll blame my mods for setting the incorrect stream title mods get learned to spell unbelievable
mods learn to spell
That is crazy
Easy
Wait, okay. Yeah
Count I'm fixing the street federal right now
I'm fixing it give me a second guys. I have to fix it on YouTube too cuz it's gonna be incredibly embarrassing
And it's fixed on twitch and YouTube, okay cool now. We're not embarrassed anymore fantastic
Perfect. Oh my gosh. Have I played a Pally yet? Nah.
I think I'm gonna do Warrior next. Warrior just looks so fun.
Actually, maybe I'll do a Pally next. I don't know.
Warrior or Pally next. I'll probably do both.
I just don't know which one next. We'll see. Mages are the most intelligent people.
That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Skyborne Warrior.
I want a new human. And an undead Pally.
Maybe Skyborne for, can I do a Priest on Skyborne or a,
what other Skyborne, Rogue or something?
I wanna do a Skyborne of Pali warrior.
Prop Pali's not, that student looks so good.
When's the council meet?
We're starting in like an hour, a little under.
Druid, nah, I'm not gonna play a Druid.
I don't wanna play a Druid, like, yeah.
I still sound a little sick,
But I'm like 99% better now, which is good.
Hey, what up, Paul, good morning.
Give everyone teleport to the city like Runescape?
No, what?
No, no, no, no, no, no teleports are good.
What props did I take?
Right now, I'm mining Enchi,
but I'm gonna reroll to Tailoring today.
Yeah.
Why do you have two Frost Vaults?
Rank one, you need to rank one Frost Vault.
Teleports the city you mean her stone true
True true my business I haven't actually played too much on this guy
I've just been doing a bunch of other stuff like PvP
reacts talking thinking
But later today well actually that's what we're doing today too is react talking thinking but later today
We're gonna get into some gearing and then some tailoring and then some PvP should be fun
We saw the battle mage video react already yesterday, it should be on the YouTube channel.
Alan, thanks for the prime, dude. Good morning.
Why do you reroll Taylor for inching?
Taylor just like seems like there's a lot of cool stuff to check out.
How is mage in the beta so far?
Uh, you know, it's, it's, it's, uh,
I'd say it's like the least changed class in the game, which is maybe fine
Because majors were already really in a good spot. So it's like it's basically classic era
Like the effective talents that you get Iceland's missile barrage and hot streak
Those are kind of like the big three
But it's really very very similar to class era
Without a we farming yeah, I'm so blizzard got nerfed and then
And Arcane Missile, I think the Arcane Missile thing is actually a bug, so I think I'll
get fixed.
Look at that water.
I know that's why I'm sitting here.
It looks so good.
Mages boring 1 to 20.
Yeah, yeah, I mean a lot of classes are boring 1 to 20.
Like a lot of classes are.
Like think about like a warrior.
Like warriors don't really come online until like 40, you know?
Like there's so many classes that are boring 1 to 20.
I've got a super chat from Morab saying, I want to see you roll a Paladin on the Skyborne
because it's a mixture of Major Hype and Retail Creeping and Twain to forever.
Okay, yeah, maybe I will.
I want to do Human just because I haven't done the Human starting zone yet and I want
to do Undead because Undead looks cool.
I have a lot on the to-do list, but I definitely do want to check out Skyborne too.
Oh, that can't be Pallies anyway.
So maybe I would do Skyborne Warrior then, and then for Pallie do like a human Pallie
or something, I don't know.
Frostfire Bolt, Arcane Barrage, they don't have Arcane Barrage.
I think mages are the least changed class in the game.
Am I wrong on that?
Like, when I look, so I've read all the talent trees.
I think they are, but I could be wrong.
No they are.
I think...
I think mages are the least.
Maybe rogues are similar.
Hunters have like a lot of cool changes.
Hallies are like the most changed.
What about the battle mage?
Hey, great. Thanks for the super chase is please talk about how boring mages and single target all other classes are super fun and single target
Yeah, so that's gonna be like the basis of the conversation today is how can we bring up major rotation to every other's class in the game because right now
mages have the most linear
Rotation out of any class in the game. That's objective. No bias there. How can we make it to?
Press four buttons instead of two right? That's the Congress. That's gonna be like the big conversation today
two is fine if two is fine for the people saying that I think you guys are trolling
but if you're not trolling and you really think two is fine and we want all classes
to have two button rotations because two is fine right then we have to nerf hunters warriors
rogues, priests, locks, shrewds, pallies, and shamans.
Because every other class has more than two.
So yes, that's not fine.
I actually talked to a Blizzard Dev,
and I asked him the question.
And I think this is fine to say.
I asked him the question, what is your target?
What is your goal for a good rotation?
Because that's a fair question to ask.
What's the goal here, right?
And what he told me is this,
three to five button rotations are the goal.
Two is unacceptable.
Six is starting to get too complex for the goal of forever.
That's what he told me.
So straight from the dead, it's like two is unacceptable.
And I think that's a fair thing,
I think for all of us to say, three to five, cool.
That's a sweet spot.
Six, a little too complex for the project.
So, yeah, two is not okay.
That's where Mage lands right now.
The conversation is then gonna be,
what's that third button?
How do we spice it up?
Maybe even a fourth.
What's the fourth button?
How do we spice it up?
Canadian.
Thanks for the super chat.
This is Fonda and Gaine.
Found your content recently.
I certainly love the positive energy.
Looking forward to seeing you next year.
Hold on, wait, I'm in.
Third button is conjure food, true.
Uh, mum, mum, mum.
I think it's ridiculous that you think mage is the only class that is not allowed to have
a single downfall.
That is not what I said.
To be clear, mages are allowed to have a downfall.
Hopefully, we're good now, we're on the same page.
Cool.
Insane take, yeah.
Is Mage going to remain a vending machine?
Mage's will actually, you know what?
I should probably start making water, honestly.
Rose that guy, yeah.
Battle Mage could actually be pretty cool.
I got a Super Chat from Moropsyn.
I think you're so on the money
about four to five still rotations
that I'm giving you more money.
Oh, thanks for the Super Chat.
I think three to five.
I think three buttons is actually completely fine too.
Level one water?
Yeah, dude, the water is crazy at two at a time.
A character with that name already exists, hopefully they fix that bug soon.
Did they buff Arcane?
I'm not sure.
Have you seen the sword from SFK?
That looks amazing bro, it looks so cool.
The Mage Council is going to start in about 30 minutes, which means I should probably
get a quick react in before that.
Let me do this.
And then we're gonna do more giveaways later today too, guys.
Man, so there's three videos I wanted to see.
G-Bay, basic, the G-Bay video is not part of a series.
The G-Bay video is talking about WoW Lashing Forever,
which we kind of already know, but it is a G-Bay video.
We have Crendor talking about the WoW art direction problem,
Which like I really want to watch and then will ease what's new to classic plus in the beta. I think I'm gonna do will ease today
I'll probably watch all of them
Night as let's see 16 minutes. It's 924. Yeah, I can fit this one in let's do this one the world of warcraft rather beta has a shit
Okay, so will he guys what is new?
To classic in the forever beta
Let's check it out.
The world of Warcraft Rather Beta has officially begun, and I've hopped on it and checked out
all these small, various changes that Blizzard have made to this version of the game, and
I thought it'd be a good idea to put together a video and go over everything which I found
that's new in the base game.
So these are gonna be a whole range of changes, not things specifically related to classes
or anything, but things in terms of the UI, graphics, bag changes, and just all the differences
that you wouldn't necessarily expect to ordinarily find within a classic world of Warcraft game,
but of course this isn't a classic.
Do you guys feel like this owl bear fits in the world or doesn't?
Like, so apparently there's already been like multiple, like, so a lot of people say no.
Like, apparently there's already been multiple, like, what's it called?
Like, like fallbacks on the art.
So like when they originally made it, it was like super HD.
And then Blizzard basically told the art team like,
no, you have to make it lower res to fit in the world.
So then they made it lower res.
And then it was still 2HD.
So then they made it lower res.
And then it was still 2HD.
And then they made it lower res again.
So that's what we currently have.
It's like three or four iterations of bringing it down
to fit in the world.
But you guys are still saying it doesn't fit.
And I kind of tend to agree, which is really funny.
Can you imagine working in the art department at Blizzard
and you're making something for this game
and they're like, they're basically telling you like,
okay, you have to make it look crappier.
Like it has to fit in like a classic world
which is built in 2004.
So like, can you make it look like, like worse?
And like kind of make it like sharper on the edges
and like not make it so like high detailed
and then you do something and they're like, no,
like even like less than that, can you imagine?
Yeah, so anyway, I agree with you guys.
is still towing down a bit.
Sick World of Warcraft game, this is Classic Plus,
and to the end Blizzard have made plenty of changes.
So these are all the findings I've had
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today let's get on back to well okay first of all there's tons of new loading screen art that
takes places okay we haven't given the loadings the new loading screen art any credit so thank
you to willy for pointing this out it looks so good i love this it's like sketch like it's new i
i think it's awesome i haven't even mentioned it but it is so cool do you load into different zones
like so new reagent bag slot so it appears as though the bag job here will be the ones which
were previously for professions, so your herbalism bag and things of that nature, because before
these bags were kind of useless because you'd have to replace one of your ordinary bag slots
with them, and they were only getting the maximum use they possibly could if you were
filling them up entirely.
So now if you're a dedicated gathering player and you enjoy this aspect of the game, you're
gonna have a lot more free bag space.
Oh and no you can't put your quiver in this slot and I imagine you cannot put your soul
I wonder if they should make it so hunters could optionally put their quiver or the warlocks
for their soul shards because I mean I don't think I would mind that.
I don't really play lock or hunter but like I'm a mage guy but huh I don't know.
We're going to swap to a combined bag and you can also assign what different types of
items will go into certain bags.
I like that combined battle style.
It's not been a feature that's been in retail for quite a long time now, and with the updates
Blizzard have made in Forever, you can now also do this here.
This really just replaces the need for an add-on, and the ability to replace things which ordinarily
really get needed for an add-on is going to be a rear carrying theme here.
I've noticed the basic damage from spells has been reduced massively across the board.
For example, Shadowbolt Rank 9 in WoW Forever does around the same damage as Shadowbolt
Rank 6 or 7 in original classic and you would learn that around somewhere between levels 38 to 44
So our basic spells are going to be doing way less damage than they used to
However, I think we're going to be making up a lot of that lost damage with bonus stats on gear such as additional spell damage being available at
Way lower levels. So I wouldn't worry about it too much
But yeah, just know that your base spells are nowhere near as powerful as they used to be your gear
So, so I talked to Blizzard about this one specifically because it was something that really concerned me
My original question was like how is this gonna affect power creep if Staff of the West fall has like 50 healing power on it
What the heck Blizzard?
because by the time you get to like BWL like what is this gonna be like like like Rathalich King numbers come on
That's exactly what they told me what Willie just said is the spells were actually nerfed and the damage was put into the weapons
And you might think why and we've talked about this a few times
But the idea is when a warrior gets a new sword upgrade or a new axe it feels incredible
But right now in classic era if you get a new staff as a caster
It doesn't you don't even like feel that you got it that much because it doesn't actually matter that much
So the goal of this change is to make it so when you're a caster and you get a new staff
It feels incredible like you just got way stronger just like a warrior wood or a rogue
right or a hunter getting a new bow and I think that's actually a cool change so
anyway when you when you like look at the numbers if everything kind of feels a
bit weird but it actually plays very well so far from what I've noticed at
least I want to like quickly like I was smiling for a second there you guys
might be wondering why I was laughing guys what is this whole like weird hate
train in the chat I was saying like hunters could maybe like you know put
their quiver in that fifth bag slot and like multiple people in the chat were
like no fmf hunters bro screw warlocks let them rot let them suffer and it's
like what's this whole mentality that if it's not your class you just want to
let them rot what is this thing like guys what are you guys talking about
about, let's make a fun game here.
Like, if your class doesn't get something
and someone else does, but like, come on,
like, let's all have fun here.
Like, this is crazy.
Like, I was talking about mages and I'm like,
yeah, let's make the rotation in the three buttons
instead of two.
And people like, screw mages, they're always OP,
let them rot.
And it's like, are you okay, man?
Like, are you good?
Like, do you need to like hit a mage punching bag
for a while?
Like, this is crazy.
Let's have conversations about how to make this game
the best it can be.
If you're in the mindset and the mentality of like,
screw this class, let's have it be awful.
Like, I'm gonna need you to go over here
and sit in the corner.
Okay, the rest of us are gonna stay here
and have a conversation.
But the rest of you guys saying,
oh, this class should suck, go sit in the corner.
Okay, go sit in the corner.
Because that, I mean guys, seriously,
Like let's have an adult conversation here.
Goodness gracious.
Gotta bring out the dad voice with you guys right now.
There is gonna have to do some more heavy lifting.
There is a way better explanation of stats
on the character screen.
Usually the defensive middle screen is just really bad
when it comes to giving you the information
about what your stats actually do
and what stats you have.
It tells you exactly how things scale with what stat
in terms of defense, crit, hit, and so on.
Weapon skill is also explained in detail on the skills tab.
This is something that should have always been in the game, and now that it's in the game, it's like,
oh yes, like it just explains what the stats are on the page. I love this, bro. I love it.
It tells you how much damage you will perform against raid level bosses, again in terms of crit hits and so on.
And it explains how glancing blows will affect your damage too.
Overall, I really like the clarity within the game. It breaks down a lot of the confusion that used to exist about
how much of x-step do I need for this raid or whatever it may be.
There's also an equipment manager which has been built in the game too,
which is pretty simple, you equip the item set for whatever you may need,
and then you can save a name like Earset and swap back to it whenever you need to.
We now have the retail auction house in Well Forever, which I am not surprised to see.
It works in a few different ways compared to the classic one.
So, all the time in your classic, you know how the auction house would work,
you'd install an add-on because the basic auction house is kind of terrible,
and then you'll buy items with their maximum stacks,
you'll buy one stack of 20, then another, then another, and so on.
With the retail auction house you put in an offer,
you have how many of whatever item you want to buy,
and then it will buy however many items are available for that offer.
So in a single click, you can buy hundreds of items potentially.
It is just significantly more convenient and user-friendly.
So this is basically like baseline auctioneater.
A lot of people are familiar with auctioneater,
But you know how auctioneer has to scan
every time you buy anything?
You have to search and scan and wait.
This doesn't have any lag.
You just search instantly populates
because it's built in.
This actually just owns.
Like, look, there's things I dislike about retail.
Of course, I'm very vocal about that.
And there's things that I like.
The auction house just owns.
Like, it actually just owns.
So I'm actually really happy with this.
I swear, guys, there are things I dislike too.
So far in the video, I'm just glazing,
but there are, I definitely have my issues.
The classic auction house, I'm not sad to see it go,
though I do kind of prefer the classic UI.
I also have to talk about the new lighting
and dynamic effects that Blizzard have put in the game
because it looks so good.
The first time you walk into Stormwind
as the sun is rising is literal cinema.
Day and night is also way more noticeable
than it used to be in the basic game.
Sometimes are properly spooky
and there are various torch items you can get in the game.
That was even true drawing vanilla
and I can't wait to see how they look
to see people roleplaying or transmogging different things which take advantage of this new lighting.
Water effects have also been updated massively as well,
and there's even waves that take place in certain zones as well where it would make sense.
The only thing we need now, Blizzard, is some more weather effects along with this new lighting.
If we could have some more snow or rain or whatever it may be, sandstorms and so on on top of this,
I think the game could be even better.
But yeah, as it is at the moment, the lighting looks so good.
There's an in-game calendar so you can track holiday events, PvP events, lockouts, all that kind of stuff, and it's available from the top right on the UI.
There is a currency tab on the character information screen as well, so you're no longer going to need to carry currencies around.
I imagine they will be able to do that for currencies at a time as they typically have the habit of doing, so at least they're not going to be clogging up your bags and you can just carry them around easily here.
There will also be a guild bank in Welfare, and it's available later right now, so expect that from day one.
day one, bank space has been increased massively and I mean seriously by a huge amount. The
basic bank space you have is 48 slots.
So like in WoW forever, one of the goals is horizontal progression and one of the things
that that means is when a new tier comes out, it doesn't invalidate all your other progress.
And one of the things that means is that you're going to need to keep your gear for longer.
And one of the things that means is you're going to need to place the store your gear.
So the bigger bank makes a lot of sense.
Having said that, this might not be big enough.
Like between consumables, between gear, between, you know, all your stuff to get rate ready,
like this might be too small still.
So I think Blizzard should keep an eye on it and be ready to just like double that if
we need it down the line, to be honest, this might still be way too small.
Up from what was the basic vanilla one 10 or 12? I think something around there
Yeah, so nice to say they're gonna be adding a lot of new items in this version of the game
Lots of various armor and weapons which are specialized to certain zones tons of new profession items new
Train kits all that kind of good stuff, and you're gonna want somewhere to store that stuff. So yeah, okay people in the chat are saying make bank ults guys
These items are
Bound to your character, you can't mail them.
A lot more bank space, even without having to buy anything.
On the more critical side, the tick system has been replaced by the modern resource regeneration system instead.
This is a bit worthy to explain, but essentially things such as drink-walking where you'd have an add-on showing you when the server tick would happen,
you'd press the water on the right tick and you'd restore some mana. Can't do that anymore.
Well, the energy regeneration for Rhodes and Druid has been changed as well now instead of gaining 20 energy every server tick
You'll gain one per point one second. So your energy regeneration is smooth how it was in wrath of the Lich King and beyond
There are upsides and downsides to that different people will like this and some others will hate it
But yeah, I just wanted to know that that has changed him well forever
This is one of the things that I don't like
Like, the big thing is the pacing of Classic Vanilla is often based around these server
ticks, right?
Like a rogue needing to like wait for the server tick to open, like the pacing of the
PVP, the pacing of how you move, and PvE, it doesn't change all too much at all.
But in PvP, it really dictates the flow of the matchups.
So I'm not a big fan.
Having said that, it's also not that big of a deal, it's not a deal breaker for me, it's
not like oh this is going to just completely ruin the game, it's not like that high of
a level thing, but if my preference is server ticks, keep it how it was in vanilla, right?
Ranking system has been reworked to kind of no one's surprised if I'm honest, it's not
a one and done really lengthy grind to get rank 14 anymore and then you get really powerful
gear which was frankly a bit too powerful.
Now instead it's moved to more of a seasonal format, so it appears as though you'll go
PBP, you'll earn honor, and as you earn honor, you will still improve your rank, and that
rank increase will unlock additional items for that particular season.
But it's nothing like the old system, there's no weekly calculation, there's no decay,
there's no competing against other players, you just go PBP, you get honor, you increase
your rank, you go buy items, and then when a new season happens it sounds as though you'll
have to do the grind again for the various rewards for that season.
I'm curious what you guys think of this.
I think this is awesome.
They're making the rank grind into this like every season.
Yeah, you guys seem to love it.
I think this is cool.
Every season you get to grind your rewards, you get a bunch of gear, you get a bunch of
titles, you get a bunch of cool stuff, and then when a new season happens you do it again
and again and again and again for new rewards, new titles, new mounts, new gear, stuff like that.
Hopefully they find a way to horizontally progress it, so it's not just better gear every time, but
maybe it looks different, maybe there's slightly different set bonuses you can mix and match,
I don't know, but I think this is cool. It adds that like, it adds, it gives you a reason to keep
playing the game versus just like, oh, I'm gonna hit rank 14 once and quit forever,
or like never need to do anything ever again on this character because I have everything that I have
that I need it's like okay let me like just continue to play um it's it's almost like
prestigeing in Call of Duty or something like that I think it's really cool done and the benefits
include all kinds of different items related to pvp from cosmetics reward tracks and mounts and so on
perhaps gear all that kind of stuff I'm hoping it will be a pvp system really for pvp's instead of
of what it was in vanilla where PVP was full of people who did not want to be there because
the rewards were just way too good compared to raid drops. As long as it's said they will be
looking at battlegrounds because they don't just want people running to the end of alter
it valley anymore to earn honor. I need to wait and see for some more information on exactly what
they are planning there but at least they have an intention to shake up the meta which I think
is a very positive thing because just running there maybe frankly ain't much fun. Also on the
the news of PvP, there won't be any Raider PvP in Wild Forever, and they're currently
not planning Arena or any kind of 1v1 dueling tournament or anything like that. It's just
going to be the new ranking system, some changes to the old Battlegrounds are more worth doing
across the board, and the one new Battleground 2. World of Warcraft Forever has GamePad support.
This is absolutely massive for more casual play. Hop on a GamePad.
So yeah, a lot of people in the chat are spamming L because they want arena.
This is one of those things where like, it sucks to say, because like I'm an OG arena
player, I love arena.
I've done more arenas than probably anyone in the chat times five, right?
Like I've played what, like 100,000 arenas or something stupid.
I love them.
I spent like 20 years of my life doing them, right?
Do they, should they be in this game?
It pains me to say, but probably not.
Why?
Because any rating system that comes to forever makes the game into a competitive game.
That's not what this is.
This is a casual game.
Once you put in IO score, Mithic plus rating, right?
Once you put in rated anything, it becomes a competitive game and people will start sweating
over that and it ruins the fabric of everything you have going on.
Is it worth it?
I don't think so.
So that's my take.
A lot of people will hate on that, but as someone who's played arena for the majority
of my life, that's still the take.
someone wants to convince me I'm wrong, but still still still my mindset on it.
Have a lazy morning, do a bit of gathering, maybe you're going somewhere
and you have to wait for people for half an hour or something.
This is just such an enormous difference maker for the entire game.
Yeah, this is actually kind of cool.
I might even have to invest in one myself now.
The ping system from retail has made its way.
So so I I'm not a con like I'm not a controller guy, so I would never use that.
But I actually have a real life friend who's using it.
And then a couple people on like, like I know online that are trying it out and like they said it's really cool to be able to just like lay back in your chair or your bed and kind of do that.
And like for a casual game, like I think that's actually kind of cool. I don't know. Um, yeah, I don't know. Like I don't think I would ever use it, but I think people might might might check it out.
into the game too. So now your League of Legends PTSD can follow you into WoW. Great. You can drop
pings to show where to attack, where to look, where to loot and so on. And honestly, I think this
will be a fine addition to the game. If you're raiding, you can ping when something goes wrong,
for example, and people are going to react faster to a ping than somebody trying to call
something out and words. I think this is cool. I think this is really cool. I personally have it
it turned off because I don't like I don't want someone just spamming it on the stream
or something but I have it turned off but I think it's actually cool. I don't like it.
I think especially like in a dungeon group saying Duran or something is pretty awesome
but I have mine turned off at least for now.
It's happening. How many in a group you could ping mob spawns? A chest over there that you've
seen. Perhaps something where you need to go for a quest item. Again I think this will
be a fine addition. The world will occasionally warn you before it refreshes. This is something
to do with layering tech and so you're not jump-scared when you're in a cobalt dungeon,
you get laid and suddenly you're surrounded by enemies. It basically gives you a 5 minute
warning and you can choose to refresh immediately, or you can move to a safe place and the game
will do it. If you go in the key buy menu you can enable a mouse over modifier to all spells
instead of having to macro them individually, just saves a nice bit of time there. And the
advanced options on the i-men you have a ton of features that you would ordinarily need to install
an add-on for. There'll be a cooldown manager so you can track various things such as ratio
of altitude, your personal dps cooldowns, defenses and so on. There'll be a dps meter,
we only want one of those to track performance. There'll be a swing timer which is great for
classes such as hunters or people who rely on tracking their auto swings, as well as a diminishing
returns tracker that's currently a work in progress. Diminishing returns always been really
difficult to track him well, so this will be a nice addition too. Your character also has a
first and last name. I imagine this is the most surprising win out of WoW forever for roleplay
enjoyers. Yeah, RPers love this. I imagine this has something to do with the realmless approach
to the game. I don't know if anyone else has done this, but when you're walking through the game
and you see first and last names, historically that means it's an NPC, because NPCs have a first
and last name. But now I'm seeing like actual people right next to an NPC and I'm like,
Is that a person or a role player? Like what's going on? So for role players this is amazing.
For everyone else, like I've actually heard some mixed feedback.
Some people hate it because they're like no I've always played with this name and now I have to
do like a last name and it looks weird. What I have is an add-on that like only shows my first
name. Actually no, you don't even need an add-on that's in the settings. It just shows my first
name and then when I target someone I have an add-on to just show their first name.
So you can do stuff, but of course they still have two names. So I don't know
The way I see it is it's a technical limitation of having a mega realm
Like we have one realm for the first time ever essentially, so
It's maybe necessary because otherwise names just fill up. I don't hate it. I don't love it. It is what it is
As well as you being able to still find names a long term the quest log has been increased from 20 to
I'll be here yeah.
If you have more space to pick things up, this makes questing so much more flexible.
There is no standard definition character option for the new Skyborne race, which are
neutral to the Horde and Alliance, and it seems from Blizzard's recent Q&A's and interviews
that at one point in time they weren't even going to do the standard models and we were
all going to have the HD ones, which is kind of a crazy decision to be honest.
Obviously with Welfare though we have all these toggles because they want it to appeal
to the widest audience possible. Believing out the entire standard definition models would have
alienated so many players. I'm surprised this is even a conversation ever. I want to go over a few
different things they went over in a recent Q&A as well. The skeletons to the standard.
Before we get into that, I feel like people in the chat have talked about this. So this is,
the skyborne is just a re-colored blood elf. Blood elves existed in TBC. Like Blizzard,
if you guys are watching this, why don't you just put in an SD toggle to Blood Elf and then add the
recolors? I mean, I'm no game designer, but that seems like it could be, since all the assets are
already built, it seems doable, and a lot of players would love that. No, don't do that, it makes too
much sense. I mean, I really think it would help the cohesion in the world, right? Because the world
is all classic assets. And I don't know how many people are playing with SD versus HD, but I would
assume like there's a lot of SD players are like, I'm in such a bubble, like I don't know. I actually
don't know the numbers, but I would assume like a lot of SD. Anyway, I think it would be cool.
I think it would be really cool.
Good and high definition models are the same.
And as mentioned, I think we're fortunate to actually have the standard definition models.
If you're a die hard vanilla fan, you will notice some small differences.
But I think, honestly, after you've played with the models for a few hours,
you're not really going to notice it unless you look very closely.
Yeah, I agree.
For me, I would have preferred the pure older models,
and those are the ones which I will always use.
But I think it's just gonna save blizzard an absolutely massive amount of work long term
Because now they only have to fit all the new armors and so on onto one model for each race
Instead of having to do the standard and the HD one
Also is one of the random thing when you click on an MPC
Your character model will turn their head to look at them and them towards you as well
They did this in retail a few years ago now but it wasn't in classic originally
GDKP runs will remain banned in WoW forever
In short, if you take a loot system where people bid for items within game gold, the person who bids the most gold will win the item, and then at the end of the raid all the gold earned will be distributed among the raid members.
Blizzard essentially said this breaks down social structure to within the game as well as encourages gold buying.
Essentially, GDKP is too good of a loot system for it to be allowed to exist and it just replaces standard raiding.
We saw this back at the start of Season of Discovery with Black Fathom's Deep if you remember back then.
There were people who were putting on a dozen or so GDKPs a day and realistically you did not need a guild anymore if you wanted to raid.
Again there'll be people at level 8 this change, but I think if you've been playing Classic for the longest time now you absolutely should have expected this to happen.
Blizzard has been cracking down in GDKPs since early sod and in Anniversary for a long time now.
Unfortunately, we're still going to have a lot of hard-resing and that's quite unavoidable, unless we get personal loot, but hey, that's a whole other conversation, but still, that is the situation at the moment.
Blizzard also say they're going to be way more punishing on people who are buying gold.
Yep.
They're not going to be giving you a slap on the wrist or hand me out warnings anymore.
If you get caught, it's going to be a perma.
So expect a lot of poster crop up on Reddit to co-
I don't know about you guys, but when I was like a kid playing TBC back in the day or Wrath,
and I was thinking about buying gold,
the one thought was, is it worth potentially having
to start over?
Is it worth my account that I've been playing for years
and years to have to start over?
That was the mental dilemma I had to go through when I was
like 16 thinking about, is it worth to buy gold?
And the answer I came to time and time again was no,
I don't want to get banned.
But at some point, Blizzard just kind of like, you know, you buy gold, everyone buys gold and you slap on the wrist,
no one really ever gets banned so everyone started buying gold.
I love this.
And it's gonna suck.
It's gonna suck when people get banned.
It's gonna suck.
You're gonna lose everything and you're gonna have to restart.
But I think it's a good place to start.
Right?
You ban the buyers and the sellers and you attack it from both sides.
Let's get the economy back on track so that consume prices aren't completely inflated.
But it's gonna suck when you guys, when people get banned.
It's gonna suck. It's gonna suck.
It's gonna suck.
Gonna lose a lot of progress.
But it's gonna be, I think, overall good, right?
A couple of months after launch with,
I didn't do anything wrong. Why am I banned?
Addons were usually modern clients API.
And Blizzard said they plan to have the same approach to add-ons as they do on retail where they are more restrictive.
Unless you're a world first guild from what I've been seeing recently.
And they're not gonna want add-ons which can assign absolutely everything for you in raid,
and they're gonna be listening to feedback regarding this.
That being said, raid encounters are gonna be nowhere near as difficult as they are in retail and comparatively very simple.
Boss loot will be hidden until it is looted on your realm.
We won't know what drops to it drops.
So when you head in that first raid, it's gonna be an absolute arms race to find out what boss drops what,
what kind of tier sets there are, what shrinkets, what weapons.
It will be impossible for the first time ever to go in with a this list.
So, if you're a raid leader, have fun with that one.
There will be no flak raiding you out forever.
Every single raid tier will have a 10 and 20 player raiding option,
but not every tier will have a 40 player raiding option.
Honestly, I think 40-ply raids are gonna be kind of one-off type bosses where there's only one or two bosses within a raid.
So think things like Anexia, maybe they instance the Emerald Dragon to get an All-Thunderen.
Not entirely sure about that. We'll see what they do long-term, but that's what they've said at the moment.
There will be no dungeon journal. There will also only be one difficulty for raiding and dungeon content in our forever.
We're not getting all these various different things like Calathar, normal, heroic, mythic,
with 10 different ways to earn items and upgrade them.
It'll be the simple, classic philosophy, do the content, get the drop, it's the best
version of the drop that you can get, and you can be happy with yourself, so I think
that's great.
There will also be no cross-faction gameplay in WoW forever, and those are pretty much
the main things I wanted to bring up at this point in time, as always there's going to
be a lot of things happening rapidly with this beta, as launch quickly approaches on
November 4th.
I also want to do a video soon going over some of the more critical points I've found
in WoW Forever so far, as really at the moment it's been focusing on the new side of things
and getting you caught up with everything that's happening, so look out for that one
relatively soon.
But with all that said, as always, thank you all so much for watching and listening in,
and I shall see you all in the next one.
Okay, very soon.
When I met Willie in person, I had him do his outro, because I was like, I need to see
if it sounds the same, and it did, it sounded the exact same.
So Willie nice meeting you again.
I feel like I was so overwhelmingly positive in this video and I feel like I need to balance
that with some negative.
Like dude there is so much stuff that I like like I really am pretty darn happy.
One of my critiques though and this isn't new like I you know I just want to balance
out this a little bit. It's like, okay, let me actually do one more thing that I like.
The action bars are not retail and they're not classic. They're clearly redone to look like
classic, but they're polished. And I like them. I like the new action bars because they are made
to look classic, but they're polished. And they, you know, obviously use some retail like inspiration,
But it's like they're cool. I like them the mini map same thing. This is not the retail mini map
It's
It's a it's a complete new kind of style and it's cool. It's not retail. It's not classic
It's like this new thing which I actually you know, I don't know if I love it, but it's okay
Those the the name plates and the action the unit frames
I can't even look at them, bro.
Like it's like what are, like it's the straight up one
like they're so, oh, I don't want to be too negative here,
but oh gosh, I can't even like, bruh, like it's bad, right?
There's an add on dev I'm talking to
and he's working on something like this
where it's kind of like the action bars.
It brings in the classic unit frame,
but modernizes it with the new bronze texturing.
So you have this middle ground, right?
So I'll probably go with something like this,
which is probably like,
I think what they should have done anyway.
Now we're talking, yeah, probably the middle ground.
Anyway, the unit frames, I think,
for I hope it doesn't launch like this.
They need some work.
It's hard to look at, like, I don't know.
But besides that, like, bro, I'm real happy, real happy.
There's still time to do it.
Who knows?
Who knows.
Are mage players all idiots?
Wait, what's this?
No, mage players are the highest IQ players guaranteed.
Players are given the most broken ability in the game
at level 20, and they're complaining their class is weak.
Who is complaining mages are weak?
This guy's, this has played a shaman.
This bottom re-roller is, who is even saying this?
Is Ice Lance the most broken spell in the game?
Okay, Ice Lance is pretty good.
Okay?
I mean, I'll say it.
Ice Lance is pretty good.
It's a good ability.
I mean, I'll press an Ice Lance or two.
Why can mage, that is a level 70 ability.
One of those broken abilities in WoW history.
True. And they have Ice Lance.
Huh?
Huh?
We'll see how Iceland's actually does like right now at level 20 Iceland's feels very
Iffy, but I think he's actually right like I think I think Iceland's might actually cook
So that's why I'm not like complaining may just feel weak like that is you know
Not not something I've even said because I think majors are are gonna be
Believe it or not. I think majors are gonna be just fine. Okay, that's what I think but
But my big concern that I've been talking about
is mage rotations are like one button, bro.
Like maybe two, we need to have the rotation.
Like, bro, right now it's a mage,
you're just hitting arcane blast, arcane blast,
arcane blast, arcane blast missiles.
Arcane blast, arcane, like.
It's like the most one, that's my concern.
It's like, how do we add another button in the rotation
so we're not one button class?
Let's make mages a little harder to play here.
Like, they were literal one-button andies.
Anyway, let's keep watching.
Now I'm talking about level 60, level 60.
What are we talking about?
That's the most disgusting thing I've seen.
How are mage players ever dying or complaining or crying?
Are they just all idiots?
Whoa, whoa!
Sit by this fire, man.
It's a minute 30 yet.
He's gonna play ads.
All right, well, luckily I have Twitch Turbo,
so I'm not gonna see the ads.
And first of all, like, dude, this is the beta.
We gotta give feedback.
If we like things, if we don't like things,
if things are good, things are bad,
like this is the time to shine, okay?
Goodness gracious, Pika.
All right, let's get things rolling.
Okay, let's get some camera shares.
We're gonna start the Mage Council very soon.
Put some audio in the background from World of Warcraft.
Mage Council Horde!
It should be fun guys. I'm very I'm very excited looking forward to this
Looking forward to it who's on the mage council myself Ziko and Venoruki
No time for GBIT today. If we don't, we'll check it tomorrow. Pull SD versus HD, please.
Character models, SDHD.
HD. All right.
Zara is finally getting some counsel from Real Mage Gigacheds. Yes.
Reset in 11 minutes. That's what's going on.
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They had a venerate in three two
One the rookies venerable sash. Yeah, you got to meet yourself in a key one sec
click mute on
your mic
Is Mike's his cameras a little fuzzy is it not?
This is now a Venruki stream.
Here we go, let's just do this.
Okay, and then Ziko should be joining shortly.
Finally, a good mage on the stream.
Yeah, thanks guys.
Nice.
Thanks.
Okay, and we're going to get Ziko in here in a sec and then we're just going to deep
dive.
We're going to go diving.
Okay, we're waiting for Ziko.
Diving was crying, no crying here today.
No crying here today.
You guys don't use the HD models at Goldshire Inn?
What are you talking about?
So 53% of people who use SD47 use HD, just based on a small sample size.
Yeah, the reality is like probably like way more people use HD.
Who was this guy? This is Ben Rookie.
Because if you don't know Ben Rookie, Ben Rookie is like...
Ben Rookie's a legend.
Like, I shouldn't need to ever introduce Ben Rookie or Ziko.
Ziko should be joining any second now.
I'm actually gonna go on Ziko's stream.
Ziko said he would be ready.
It's time.
Okay, he's...
Maybe he's setting things up right now, that must be it.
I think he's setting up cameras, I think.
Why is R muted?
I'm not muted.
Well, we're going to start a call with Ziko and Vanirki soon, but we're just waiting
for them to, we're waiting in Ziko, really.
Ziko is, okay, yes, Ziko is late, okay,
that's what I'm saying, unbelievable.
These PVPers, she's Louise.
It's my birthday today, yo, happy birthday.
Ziko missed the cue, unbelievable.
It's the other guy supposed to be muted. Yeah, we're not in a call yet. We're waiting on.
We're waiting on seco. I personally think seco is going to be ready any second now. That's
that's what I think. Invite Payo for the fund. Um...
Alright, hold on. Zika's having some technical difficulties.
I'm telling him how to do it.
Huh, okay, Ziko's having, so Ziko's not late, he's having technical difficulties.
Give him a minute, give him a minute.
He's on the wrong layer, essentially.
Yeah.
Savick should be on the council
since he has experience being tied it out by mages.
Yeah, true.
True.
Throw a key giveaway in while we wait.
Oh, no, Seiko said he just got it.
Cool, yeah, okay, now we're adding Ziko.
Say hi to Ziko in three, two, one, boom!
Okay, I'll give him a second to set up cameras. I think he probably needs a second, then we'll send it.
Yeah, fine enough.
Any PvE mages?
Guys, what do you mean any PvE mages?
Do you want me to pull up the parses?
Are we trying to pull up the logs?
Now we don't even need to pull up the logs. We don't even need to pull up the logs
goodness gracious
Goodness gracious
Okay, we're not gonna we're not we're not even we're not even gonna pull out the logs because of course we could
Okay, let's make sure this is like
I'll put Menoripi a little lower.
Oh yeah, and then Seco a little lower.
Oh yeah, I mean that should look,
oh no, no, Seco's a little higher.
I don't see Seco a little lower.
Okay, yeah, that should be fine enough.
Actually, my camera's the smallest of the three,
but it's fine.
All right, they're both ready.
Yo, welcome in Ziko Van Rookie to the Mage Council.
Yeah, what's up, Mike?
Yeah, I can hear you.
What's up, man?
Perfect.
Evan, I'm excited to be here, man.
Dude, so the last time we did this, was it like we did this like, like what?
10 years, five years ago, like during Legion or something, and we were discussing like
what we liked, what we didn't like this and that.
I was like, we got to get the council back
and talk about the current state of mages.
Is this is insane?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it was the Legion.
Legion, was it Legion?
Okay, yeah, so we did this like 10 years ago.
We did some good work back then.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, I want to start off, guys,
this is Ben Rookie and Ziko.
They both don't need introduction at all.
Ben Rookie.
Probably by, you know, I'm a retail Andy, you know.
Some people might not know me.
Okay, Fenruki, the legend of all legends of mages.
Ziko, plug your ears.
The legend of all legend of mages.
Fenruki's actually one of the reasons
I mained a mage back in the day.
And I don't know if I've actually told this story.
Actually, I've told it a few times,
but when I started playing mage again,
I took a brief break and wrath and I came back in Cata.
I messaged Fenruki for some mage tips
and Fenruki helped me out.
So, Ben, thanks again, man.
Always.
We used to duel all the time, too.
Actually, I've been leveling a human hunter,
and it brought me back to the big problem of days.
Yeah, I remember that.
I remember that.
And then Ziko, I mean, a classic game,
as you guys know, Ziko, all right, mage legend.
I want a cool introduction, as well.
Where's my story?
OK, I'll see.
Ziko.
OK, this UnFamily Friendly for a second.
Ziko was, he was lighting enough 1v2-ing before I was even a Rank 1 player.
Ziko was way more OG and legendary than I- Ziko was insane.
He won tournaments, this and that, Rank 1.
Ziko, do you really need introduction, bro?
Couldn't be gracious.
Everyone knows Ziko.
I'm just trolling about.
Okay, anyway, we're convening the smartest mage brains I know, VanRookie and Ziko, to
to talk about the state of Mage forever.
Now, I wanna start off with a little bit of disclaimer, okay?
Because a lot of people are misinterpreting this
as Mage whining, and I wanna assure you.
Yeah, I don't want that, I don't want that.
Because I've gotten the same thing, man.
People are like, oh, you got great,
three Mage doomers just complaining.
No, okay, I wanna assure everyone, this is not whining.
Okay, I wanna assure everyone, the conversation,
I want it to be constructive about
How can we make mages fun and interesting, not one button,
but we're not necessarily just saying,
mages should be stronger.
In fact, we might even argue mages should be weaker,
but they should be more interesting, right?
So just as a disclaimer, this is what we like,
what we don't like, and how can we spice up
that maybe the rotation, this is not necessarily
just whining to say, buff my class, mages suck, okay?
So hopefully that makes sense.
We'll see what turns out that way.
Oh, gosh.
I was just like, no joking.
I'm definitely here to complain, like, well, I don't know what you're doing.
Oh, goodness gracious.
No, I think for me, it's like, so I haven't even made a mage on forever.
So it's like, maybe it feels weird that I'm here, but I've played a lot of mage.
And at the last, like, a few days since you invited me on, I've basically been deep diving
into the town.
It's all arcane, fire frost, I've been listening to your opinions, I've been listening to Ziko's
opinions.
my friends who are major players as well. You know, people that are very good at like
a we grinding and a we love life and reaching out to them. I've been to your crafting builds
and I think for me, one of the reasons I haven't made a major so far is because I'm not that
excited about it. You know, like a lot of other classes, I'm like, man, there is a lot
to get excited about. And for major, I don't necessarily feel that way. So it's not like
a complaint thing. I think majors will probably end up being really, really strong. But I
I think they lost some flavor.
And what they gained, I'm not that hyped about.
So that's kind of my position.
I feel very similar, like very, very similar
to what you just said.
How about you, Z?
Well, I feel like, how do I say this in a non-complain way?
I feel like we've lost, we've lost maybe some inspiration
about what the mage class could look like.
I mean, the other guys didn't get like crazy reworks,
but like, it just, it doesn't feel good.
You know what I mean?
It's like, oh, great.
We're going to play Iceland's Mage again.
We've done that.
You know what I mean?
We did it in Sog.
We did it in Wrath.
We did it in Katow.
We did it in Mob.
Like, we've done it so many times.
It doesn't feel, it doesn't feel like that fresh.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, totally.
I completely understand.
I think like, when there's places to add novelty,
instead of just doing the same thing we've already done,
we should do that.
Although I, just to push back a little,
like I've been trying to think like,
what would I do if I was in charge?
And it's hard, it's really hard to be a good class designer.
And that's part of the reason I wanted to get you guys
together, because you guys are smarter than I am.
Maybe we can come up with something that,
we can actually do something new with the rotation,
new with the class that actually fits classic,
but it hasn't been done before.
So like maybe we start with arcane,
spend a bit of time there,
And then move to fire then frost and we can we can shout about arcane PvE PvP and kind of go through all the talents and stuff like that
Is that sound okay? Sure sounds good to me
Yeah, okay, so for arcane
the way I'm reading it right now and
Like like my big my big issue is arcane blast is added to the game. It's a new talent and
Missile barrage is also added. I think missile barrage is really fun. I think it's a very fun talent
But the way Arcane Blast reads is every time you cast an Arcane Blast, the damage of all your
other spells is increased by 10, which means when you're at four stacks of Arcane Blast,
your Arcane Blast is doing the same as if you had one stack or zero stacks. Your Arcane Blast
doesn't actually get stronger, which means every time you're at four stacks, you're incentivized
to just missile with Barrage and Arcane Blast again.
Like, so there's no reason to try to min-max
how much mana you're spending.
There's no reason to try to get that fifth or sixth cast out
kind of like traditional Arcane.
I'm curious how, like Fenririki,
how do you feel about this specific Arcane Blast design?
Well, it seems like they want you to use Arcane Blast
above other spells, obviously.
I mean, most of the time that's just gonna be Missile Barrage
and like a PvE situation, you're almost always going to do that.
But yeah, you're definitely missing out on a little bit
of the flavor of being able to just, you know,
burn through your mana at the end of the fight.
You know what I mean?
The boss is 20% health and you want to dump all of that mana
to get out as much damage as possible.
So you definitely lose out on that.
But I just don't really like Arcane Blast in general.
Like in PvE, I think it's fun, but like from a PvP standpoint,
I know we want to talk about both PvE and PvP,
but from a PvP standpoint,
I feel like Arcane Blast just, I'm not that hype about it, to be honest, so it doesn't
get me excited.
Okay.
Ezeko, what are you feeling about the Arcane Blast designed currently?
I mean, I think it's for a PDE standpoint, it's, I feel like in general, major rotation
in PE is not usually that complex.
The cool thing about it, the most fun thing,
I think about it, because I haven't been
being a lot, even with arcane specifically, in VC.
The most fun thing about it is the mana management.
I think the mana management is, by far,
the most fun thing, because being able to hit zero mana
as the boss dies, that is the skill required about it.
Like you pop your early gem, you try to,
if you pop it a little bit too late,
then you're gonna get it back a little bit too late,
and then you're gonna have some downtime,
or you're gonna have to, you know, Frostbolt or whatever.
So you lose that, I feel like, a little bit.
But I think Missile Barrage is kind of fun,
but it just comes down to how much value it is
to send a Missile Barrage,
because it looks like just sending a Missile Barrage
anytime you get the proc is probably gonna be the best
rather than kind of spamming Arcane Blast.
So yeah, I think it's okay for PDE.
For PVP, however, I think there's a lot bigger issues
with both arcane and fire.
And I mean, you guys know it as much as I do.
If you play a mage in PVP, you have to have ice block.
Like you're not a real class, we don't have ice block.
And for example, if you wanna be like, let's say,
a fire mage, you kinda wanna get MCS, right?
But you also want to get, like if you want to do Pompeiro, for example, but then you
can't get Ice Block.
And I think it's kind of the same for Arcane, where it feels like you have to dump a lot
of talents that are essentially useless into Frost Tree to get Ice Block.
So it just makes it less diverse.
If you had an Ice Block baseline, you could do an Arcane build where you got Impact or
where you got Ignite or whatever.
they could do like a more Pompiral version
that also has Ice Block, so yeah.
Okay, yeah, I guess a lot to unpack here.
Like so, from the PvP side, like, yeah, I mean, totally.
Like I agree with both of you guys,
like Arcane right now, like as a PvP build,
it's just gonna suck.
Like you can't really just cast Arcane Blast
and there's no like instant cast, there's no barrage.
So we can get into that.
But like for the PvE rotation,
I completely agree with Yusiko that right now,
there's not really any mana management
because you're just gonna cast four arcane blasts
into a missile, or maybe four arcane blasts
into like a fireball or frost fireball,
depending on how you wanna spec,
into a missile into four more arcane blasts.
You never actually incentivized to utilize something
like an evoke, an inner fate, a mana pot, a mana gem,
and kind of burn the mana like arcane blasts normally would
because it doesn't scale in itself.
So like I think the whole identity of Arcane
is this man hungry spec that really wants to min max,
be zero man at the end of the fight like you said, Ziko.
And Arcane Blast right now doesn't do that.
Instead it's just very, very, very linear.
90% of the time it's gonna be Arcane Blast
into missiles, into more Arcane Blast into more missiles,
which is two buttons.
So I was like kind of asking myself,
is two buttons acceptable?
Is it okay?
Right?
And I looked at every other class in the game
And in fact, there was no other spec in the game
with only two buttons, Arcane, and yeah, yeah, really.
I looked at every other spec in the game.
Everyone has three to five, and the only one that has two
is Arcane and Frost, which we'll get to Frost in a bit.
And I actually talked to a Blizzard dev,
and I said, what is the goal?
What's the goal with Forever?
Are you trying to aim for a certain number
of rotational abilities?
And he said that two is unacceptable,
And the goal is three to five.
So like my big question has been,
what is the third button?
Like we, if two is unacceptable from a dev standpoint
in PVE, what like, what should be the third button?
What should spice up arcane on a boss fight?
Or should it just be a, you know what, two button spec?
Like or should arcane boss change
so mana becomes that like interesting thing?
But like that's the thing, that's a question
I haven't really been able to answer myself like I don't know like should it just be barrage, but that's boring
It's like you said Ziko. It's already been done like you guys have any ideas like what could be Arkane's third button?
I mentioned go you okay you go ahead Ziko
No, okay. I was thinking Pyro with the with the new hot streak if you could get that
Maybe Pyro as like a filler when you get like enough crits you can mana dump with Pyro spam or something
So HotStreak only works with Fireball, Frostfirebolt, Fireblast, and Scorch.
Like, do you think they should make it work with Arcane Blast?
Yeah. Yeah, that could, I mean, yeah, for PvE, that could be cool.
Or they could add Scorch as an execute.
For Arcane, you want Scorch as an execute.
Like, so for me, like thematically, it feels weird to pull out something like
a pyro in the rotation, but like, you know, this is classic WoW. Maybe you should be able to mix
and match fire spells with Arcane. I think thematically it feels a bit weird to pull that out.
Feneriki, you were going to say something too. I don't know if you had like a...
No, so I listened to your entire like one hour deep dive yesterday,
listing off all the specs and showing exactly what we're talking about right now.
And I also listened to you go through all of the potential options for Arcane, right? Like,
It feels like the obvious one is Arcane Barrage, but it's a bit too obvious.
Too obvious, yeah.
And it's just like with Frost, it's like it doesn't, Frost doesn't excite me,
it's because it's like Zigo said, we've been there, we've done that.
I think something that would be really cool for Arcane, because I thought about it, is
maybe like a tempest like ability, where Arcane would be the spec maybe deep in the tree that
it actually has like a damage over time effect
that was quite powerful, but it had maybe low uptime.
And I was thinking you could even add like
maybe a cool talent with fire, like an arcane talent
where like a fire blast crit extends the dot
or like an Iceland's crit extends the dot as well.
So there's some synergies between the trees,
but it would give something very unique to arcane
with instant damage because I feel like right now
It's so cast heavy.
And obviously a barrage would fix that.
But I also think some sort of like single target dot.
And I would want it to be single target
because I don't like how like in retail, for example,
AOE is so unintentional.
I don't want that in classic.
OK, so adding like an instant cast
would help the PvE rotation.
But it would instant cast dot, single target.
But it would also help like PvP a little bit.
So like that would actually help kind of like both ends that arcane struggling with I think for me like I
Love thematically how arcane is
That mana hungry spec it always has felt this way
So I want arcane blast to be reverted to how arcane blast normally plays where arcane blasts stacks on itself
So it feels really good to like build this up and hit huge if you can cast
But if you cast too much you go out of mana and then you're doing nothing
So like I think old arcane blast makes way more sense than this one
I
Had some people message me ideas
Someone named farmer farms. He was the one that made that melee mage video
Said what about something like a conjure weapon where it summons your current weapon for 30 seconds
And it may lays your target with the current weapon in view and arcane blast extends the duration
Like something like that is like completely new and like could be interesting. I don't know
Is he could yeah, I was like the bloody K weapon. Yeah, I don't know. I'm like that
Yeah, so I'm trying to like gather as many ideas as we can
I like his video by the way. Yeah, that was that was a cool video that he did the melee mage
So it makes sense. He wants to the contra weapon. Is he could you have any ideas for like a third button?
or are you kind of in the boat that like, let's just keep it at two, like it's too fine for you?
I think the dot thing that Ben said sounds kind of interesting. Maybe you can maintain it,
like try to maintain it with the stacks, like with the damage increase stacks.
That could be cool. I'm not opposed to Arcane Barrage either.
I'm not entirely against it either. I think they're both viable.
Yeah.
Arcane Barrage feels like it would be the best to have.
It really feels like a no peer choice to be honest.
So Zika, you were talking about Icelands like it sucks because it's like you want new stuff,
but like I was trying to really brainstorm like, okay, for Arcane, let's not use Barrage
because it's, you know, we've already done that. Let's do something new.
But like every time I think it's like, man, Arcane Barrage really does make a lot of sense here.
You know, it's tough. It's really tough.
It is tough. It is tough for sure.
I mean, it's either Archim barrage or like, I guess,
Net of Tempest maybe.
Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah.
They need some kind of instant in the rotation though,
I would say.
Instant, I agree with that.
Like, it would help with PVP,
it would help with the rotation.
One of the ideas I had,
and I'm curious what you guys think of this,
is we are playing classic wow.
Meaning, like, you could press buttons from other trees.
Like, I don't know.
like, Enhanced Shaman might still use a Lightning Bolt here and there, or like, Rogues, even
though their Backstab or Ambush Speck might still press Slice from another Treen and Double
Dip.
What if Fire Blast?
So, fire is a spec, where like, Fire Blast is on that 8-second cooldown, and it's instant,
and it gives you something, like a reason to press it is fire, because you might get
Ignite, you might get a crit, and it's higher crit chance.
What about for Arcane, when you press Fire Blast?
It was like, for Arcane, it was maybe a guaranteed missile barrage.
For Fire, it was a guaranteed hot streak proc.
And for Frost, it was a guaranteed fingers or something like that, to where in Arcane,
you'd actually want to press Fire Blast in the rotation to some degree, so you could
actually proc more Arcane spells.
And it's like, as Arcane, that would give you something else to think about or something
else to press.
It's like a Fire Blast or potentially a Fire Blast equivalent.
wouldn't be bad because if you get bad arcane blast rng you would have a guaranteed trigger
for missiles it would help pvp a lot too you get like a fire blast missile combo
yeah yeah and uh i know nobody likes the r word uh retail but um there's a button
prismatic bolt uh as you know it's like a proc you get that transforms your arcane blast into
Prismatic bolt now. I'm not saying they should add that but one cool thing about the spell is it gives you a clear casting proc
Which gives you missiles basically so you'd a missile proc every time really reliably from that
And it feels like it makes the spec flow nicely. So the fire blast idea. I do like that
Like the fact that is really cool. Actually. Yeah, okay, okay, or touch. You was touch
Yeah, touch the man that touch the match I kind of like to
Veneriki, the retail, I actually haven't played it's Prismatic Bolt.
I think that's what it's called. It looks really cool.
Yeah, it is amazing. It's really fun.
My issue with it though is, in a sense it's still two buttons, because Arcane Blast will automatically transform to the new button,
and then it's giving you a proc to Missile, which is the same second button.
So it's still kind of like just two buttons still.
Yeah, yeah. So you're right about that, but I don't necessarily want them to add Prismatic Bolt.
I'm just saying that it feels nice when you use it you get that guaranteed proc
Guaranteed proc. I think having that same kind of option would be nice too. Okay. Okay. Yeah
No, I totally that makes a lot of sense like so one of that like I I don't know if you guys have talent trees open
But one of the paladin talents that I thought was really cool
It was on the holy tree
there's something called infusion of light and
Your holy shock and flash of light crits reduce the cast of your next holy light by 15 seconds
And the reason this was put into the game is to incentivize Paladins to not just spam Flash of Light because it's your best ability,
but after a holy shocking and flash of lighting enough, you could do a holy light.
So you have more than just one button.
You're holy shocking, flash of lighting, holy lighting, and you're, you know, you're still pressing like Dispel and Divine Favor and Freedom.
So holy has quite a bit, but the idea is it gives you an actual reason to press another button besides just, you know, whatever.
And then it's like the bus or say it's like part of that hot streak. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly like hot
Strip a little bit like it actually incentivizes you to press that next one
It's like I was thinking for arcane like something like that
Could be really cool. Like of course we have missile barrage, but it's still just two buttons
I don't know
I think for arcane to very least reverting arcane blast to make it feel like it's that mana hungry spec again and then
thinking about yeah, either a
A touch of the Magi, another tempest, a barrage, or even just like making fire blast, give a proc.
One of the hunter talents I actually really liked that was new is called Summon Hawk and
Yeah, this
Ability is in the Beast Mastery tree on the right side midway down and it replaces arcane shot or shares a cooldown with arcane shot
Rather and basically if you press it and
You can have a hawk out and it does damage and if you press it again
You can have a hawk out that does damage, but you can only have two hawks
So after that you go back to arcane shotting which makes the beast mastery rotation really interesting, right?
Because now you're you're managing arcane shots and summon hawks
I think something like that for mage could be interesting where you have a talent that shares cooldown with fire blast
That like maybe like an arcane barrage, but it shares cooldown with fire blasts. You have to make this like choice
of like if I have this then it kind of like takes over my other spell I thought
that was kind of cool design from the hunter tree there's a lot of cool designs
in the hunter tree yeah I think we're both right now actually I actually so far
the idea that I like the most is the fire blast idea yeah leaving in fire
for guaranteed procs, I think is actually really cool.
Yeah, okay.
Bad RNG protection, I think is nice,
because it also makes a meaningful choice, right?
If you want a double barrage,
or if you want to stack four times,
because sometimes when you spam Arcane Blast,
it's kind of similar to the,
is it maybe even the exact same one
as in Season of Discovery,
where sometimes you never really wanted
to spam Arcane Blast.
You just wanted to arcane blast, like when you put a healer magic and saw you wanted to arcane blast and then as soon as you had enough stacks
You wanted to always dump it on a missile and sometimes you wouldn't have it and then it would kind of make it a bit awkward
Because you would have to keep spamming arcane blast when you didn't want to
So having a way to kind of prevent bad RNG
I think it's actually a cool idea
Cool. Yeah, I mean I think I think it would help the PVP arcane side of things as well
But the one one of the things that we could chat about is like in forever
Is it acceptable to just be like this isn't a PvP spec?
Like if you're a warrior and you want to PvP like just play arms is it is it?
Mandatory as a warrior to make all three specs viable and PvP the answer might just be no like just play arms and for mage
Like should all three specs be really good in PvP or is it like dude?
just play Frost, like you're PvPing. I don't really know the exact direction Devs want to go.
I think the general consensus is like, they should be okay, but there might be one that just
kind of takes over, right? Yeah, I mean, I think that's a really good question to ask.
So like what I think about when I'm looking at the Hunter trees, it does kind of feel like
like survival, for example, deep survival doesn't feel like it will necessarily be good in PvP.
So, and maybe people will disagree with me on that one, but when I think about like a melee that doesn't have a kick or a gap closer,
that that seems like it'll be really rough. I mean, maybe there'll be situations where you can go toe-to-toe with like a warrior or a rogue or something like that,
but not having the range for survival just feels like it won't be the best in PvP.
Um, and maybe, maybe I'll be proven wrong on that one.
So I was trying to look through the trees and think about exactly what you're saying.
Like how many specs might be viable for PVP and what is just not going to be a PVP stack?
There's just no way.
But I think my thing for mage is, uh, after playing a ton of mage on classic, it just
feels like if you don't have ice block and honestly, a lot of times it feels like we
don't have ice barrier.
It feels like you're just, you're super one dimensional.
You'll just work what you can do.
Yeah.
Like you're just dead.
I guess my point being like maybe maybe that's fine in a sense like you know
we are playing classic. Yeah, you know you're playing classic after all like
it isn't retail it's not like every single spec has to be like this high
performer maybe it's fine that we're more pigeonholed in the frost or frost
hybrid builds for PvP like maybe that's fine. I think that when it comes down to
that topic. What I've noticed is that pure DPS classes tend to have just one spec. So
like for Warlock, you don't typically see like a lot of Dexter Warlocks running around,
you know, usually like, it really depends, you know, in BGs or whatever you can kind
of play. It's the same thing with Mage, right? You can do some Pompire or Fun stuff in BGs,
but if you're doing like more like 1v1s or like small skirmish world PvP stuff, then
you typically want to play a Frostmage with Warrior, typically want to be Arms Warrior,
We'll hunt the HP, we'll want to be MM.
Well, hunting is a bit weird because usually you
can't play BM as well.
But in original classic, BM is more of a, I would say,
like leveling spec.
And then for PDP, mostly people play MM.
So I think for pure DPS classes, usually one spec is kind of
fine, like for PDP.
And for hybrids, they feel like usually try to make all of
them better.
Sometimes they do a bad job with it, but I think the goal
for hybrids is like to have like an Enhanced Shaman Bible
and an LA Shaman Bible and Boomkin, et cetera.
I tend to agree.
I tend to agree.
Like when you're with your warlock example,
like every lock seem like Siphon Live soul link
with molten skin and like every other spec
probably won't even like hold a candle to that.
And like that's probably fine.
So with Mage, like if we want to assume
that most mages will either be frost or frost hybrid,
like I think that's probably fine design.
And the reason I ask is cause like,
Should we even have a really deep discussion of like,
how do we make arcane really good in PVP?
Or is it more just, it probably won't be and that's okay.
Right?
So for PVP...
Yeah, I mean...
Yeah, see.
Sorry, I think just a bare minimum would be block baseline
if they wanna have fire and arcane,
viable at all in PVP.
I think maybe you can do arcane frost, but yeah.
I think the way I look at it is, as a manage,
you need MCS and you need Block.
Like those are like, you have to have those.
Okay, so let's chat about,
Let's chat about Block baseline,
because that's a big claim here,
like a big idea, like, you know,
Pali's got Consecrate baseline
because it's part of the kit.
I don't know if any other classes got something
baseline as big, but like Ice Block baseline,
I mean, that would be so a lot of players in the chat are going to be anti that.
Yeah.
Better.
What do you think?
Block baseline.
May.
I don't know.
That seems to maybe earlier in the frosty make it a little bit more accessible, but I
kind of wanted to be before we move on from arcane, I at least just so it's not like
a complaint.
I just wanted to talk about like some of the things that the arcane tree that are actually
like buffs that you know compared to how it was before okay because there are a few things in
the arcane tree that are semi interesting like the increased range for example and also your mana
shield isn't just on physical attacks which is pretty big change. Is it not? I think it's that
went over my head if it was not as well but that's I'm pretty sure like I tested it yesterday well
Well, I mean, it reads different.
So unless what with the talent, I mean, if you have the talent,
it does it raise everything.
Yeah.
Oh, maybe, maybe I'm wrong on that then.
That's not sure you're wrong with that, bro.
I think it's still physical, but I could totally be wrong.
I was playing yesterday and it seemed like it didn't work on spells,
but I, okay, I could have been a mislooking.
Um, I do really like employees than yesterday.
Okay. I do really like though like what you're going at though like there is some new stuff
and and you know like arcane geometry six extra yards on your arcane spells like that
that's awesome right like that's that's really cool. That's counterspell and that's polymorph
because yeah I played warlock and what they actually got rid of range on warlock so yeah
you have destructive reach which is really good for your spell like your offensive spells
So it's only on damage abilities, but Warlocks actually lost range on their fear.
So they only have a 20 yard range fear and I think Mages is going to have 36 yard range poly, which is almost double, which is pretty crazy.
I don't know that they lost range on fear as someone who like does like locks.
I think that's actually pretty cool because your fear is very strong in classic.
Wow. And I mean, it still will be very strong.
locks will probably still be the best duelers but lower range on fears is cool because you can kind of cut it out I
Actually don't agree with that. I don't think locks are gonna be good at all
Dude, have you looked at this spec the that siphon life souling molten skin dude this can be broken
They lost master the monitor just was just flat cloak basically and now it's just a minus 10 percent
magic damage taken. I feel like the most frustrating thing for me, like you being as SLWRLOX was
that they just resist everything and now they don't. Like you will just land all your spells
on them and the pet I also think won't have like basically passive cloaks. I think you
can just kill the pet and I don't know about the scaling on Siphon Life. I don't know how
good that's going to be either. I think Siphon Life might be overrated.
It's not to like TBC where it comes online.
The other thing about locks is what Ben said as well.
Like they lost Grimreach so fear is low range and me and Ben were talking about this earlier
but have you noticed this Zara as well that before there was like a grace period when
you're casting a spell on someone and they walk out of range just at the end of the cast
you still hit the spell.
Grace pierce seems way lower or just straight up gone now. Yeah, so I think
It's gonna be easy to avoid fears like it was already kind of easy, but now it's like way easier
I don't know how good I think
Speaking of mage with with the range stuff arcane missiles currently is not going through line of sight
I don't think I've noticed that's gotta be a bug. Yeah
I'm pretty sure it's a bug. I'm pretty sure it's a bug. So I'm sure I didn't know fix it
But I thought that was crazy. I was losing my mind the other day with missiles. Yeah, I
Saw that clever like it has to be a bug. Yeah. Yeah, I think it is but
They did a full change on arcane mine, too
Where they kind of baked it in with spell power what spell power used to affect?
I think it was on everything like the crit damage, but now they made it so it's only for arcane
but they baked it into arcane mine so it's like you don't have to waste as
many points or go like as deep in the tree as well yeah that's nice that's
nice okay so we like arcane geometry arcane mine bacon we like missile
barrage I think we all really like it's just fun right like this is just a fun
proc so what we what we like are those three things what we dislike oh for all
I mean, I don't know if you guys feel as strongly as I do about arcane blasts, but arcane blasts not stacking on itself
Basically means it's not arcane blasts. Like if I hit it once and hit it twice, it's the same damage
Like it feels what do you what do you think the reason they change that is because that just seems really like
Okay
So I think the reason they changed this is because they didn't want arcane to be this like funnel spec where
Basically, it's like you're really incentivized to throw every inner bait into the mage and like you just have this one
kind of like, you know, like in Karazhan where mages just go blue portal and become this god class,
I think maybe that's why. But my counter-argument is if the problem is really like innervate,
then I would be okay with making Arcane Blast read like mana, like like innervate doesn't work
if you have an Arcane Blast debuff, for example. Like I would be fine by me, like I don't care about
innervates, but I want Arcane Blast to feel really fun to hit like two or three times in a row.
four times in a row as of right now the way it reads is like you never want to be at four stacks
like you literally just want to get the four and then send it on on missile or like potentially
depending on your spec you could send a frost firebolt or a pyro or a fireball but like you
never actually want to be at four stacks which i think is so anti-arcane so i'm really against like
the design how it currently feels
Yeah. That makes sense. Okay. Let's see. What do you guys think about that? This one
change seems so random in Arcane. Do you guys see this Arcane resilience change they did?
That seems like the most random change ever. It used to be one talent point, 50% armor.
Now it's two points, like 50% armor of your intellect. How much intellect can you even
get it's like how much are we talking about you're like 200 armor it's like
one item it was a very nice yeah before they didn't matter it's like kind of
niche in PvP and now it's pretty bad no one will do that I that's a good catch
I actually didn't remember it was only one so now that it's two yeah seems
complete waste it was already like kind of a dead talent like I mean you just
picked it because like it was just filler, you know, but yeah, it seems so random. It
seems so random to nerf that.
Okay, so I guess we can move on from marketing. I mean, there's definitely some
stuff that looks really fun. And then there's stuff there's just like kind of
need that third button. One other idea that someone sent me that farmer farms
guy was adding in something that
Expends all your mana. It kind of brings back that mana fantasy, but then it gives you mana back. So on retail
Arcane search. Yeah, exactly on retail
They had like an arcane surge, but he says it would proc something like an arcane concentration guaranteed give you a guaranteed proc
It guaranteed big hit. I don't know if I like this one as much, but like it's another idea
I
Guess all of these things are kind of copy pasted, right? Yeah, but the idea that we talked about
about that I like the most is the Fireboss one,
giving you a proc, like some talent deep in Arcane
that makes Fireboss more interesting.
The main reason for that is I already feel like Arcane
has so much ramp.
Like, another shorycasted spell, another ramping ability.
I feel like it just doesn't add that much to the spec.
I agree.
So that's why I wouldn't like it.
Okay, I think that's pretty much it on Arcane.
Let's try out a fire for a bit.
Because fire is, to me, the most interesting PVE-wise.
Fire, you actually have four buttons.
You have to keep up your Scorch debuff.
You have to use your HotStreak products when they come up.
You have to cast Fireball as a filler.
And hopefully, Fireblast will be worth casting,
because right now in ERA, you don't
cast Fireblast if I'm not mistaken.
And PVE is just not even worth the global.
So you just skip it.
But assuming fire blast is worth casting,
it'll be fire blast, fireball, scorch, and pyro.
Four buttons, woohoo!
So I think fire is actually in a decent rotational spot,
but that doesn't mean it doesn't have problems
and that doesn't mean it's perfectly designed.
So, Zika, how do you generally feel about fire right now?
Like the hot streak redesign, this and that?
Fire and PvE, I think the most fun I have
when I play Fire in PvE is rolling Ignite.
I think when you can just roll like a really big Ignite,
yep, that's when it's the most fun.
So I think that's the main thing that I care about in PvE.
I don't even care about how many buttons
you have necessarily.
I think having four buttons is nice,
but I think for me, Fire is always about rolling Ignite
and also how it interacts with other Fire mages,
because sometimes Ignite rolls off of other mages
and sometimes it doesn't.
So I don't know like what they're going with this time around, but I think that's when fire is the most fun.
I think they got rid of that, right?
Your game is just for yourself now?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's just for yourself.
I think rolling Ignite's is the main thing that I care about for PDE.
For PDE, don't get me started. I have nothing positive to say.
Like actually, it's like it's cooked.
What about you, Venn?
I mean, both just to reiterate what both of you guys are saying, it feels like fire kind of has the most depth. When looking at the mage trees in general, one of the most fun builds to me, one of the only interesting builds to me seems like some sort of frost fire hybrid, especially, you know, with the new frost fire bolt.
I remember you used to play like an Elementalist spec in PvP
You lose out on a lot of like super good talents
But I think it's just like a fun PvP build the Elementalist build is really nice
And I think the addition of the Frostbite Bolt
Makes that really nice as well. So it'll be nice
but
Yeah, I I think I don't know how much I guess the new hot streak is kind of cool
You discovered just to have clarity. It only works on one charge, right? Because the way the tooltip reads...
Wait, it's only one charge?
I believe it is one charge, yeah.
Yeah, so it's like you're not gonna just stack up Hostrick and spam Pyroblast. You have to actually just keep building it up.
Zeke was not happy.
Okay, so my, so I think fire is objectively the most interesting rotation of the three
builds in a PvE scenario, right?
Here's my problem with fire.
Hot streak is, in my mind, essentially a dead talent till 60.
So if people haven't seen the new hot streak, it can get a 25% faster Pyroblast time stacking
up to three times per crit with Firebolt, Fireblast, and Scorch.
So it'll be 25% quicker, 50%, 75%.
I don't think you'd almost ever use it at one stack.
Even at two stacks, it might be kind of break even at three, it'll be very exciting to cast.
The problem here is in classic WoW, your crit is very low.
So if you're like level 30 doing a dungeon, you might have like 10% crit.
And let's keep in mind, Forever is not about end game rating only.
It's about the journey, the experience.
So when you have a level 30 talent like Hot Streak, and you're very excited, right?
So we're talking things like sweeping strikes for a warrior, you know, like a lot of classes
kind of get that thing that comes online right at 30, rogues, what is it, Blade Flurry.
I guess Blade Flurry might be a little higher, cold blood, right, like really exciting stuff.
But for Firemages, you get Hot Streak.
And the reality is with 10% crit chance on a boss at level 30, how many hot streaks will
you get stacking up to three times before that boss is dead?
And the answer is mathematically zero.
You actually won't ever get to use it at level 30, at level 40, at level 50.
At end game, I think it kind of works.
Once you get 20% crit, 25% crit, you're going to get those rolling crits and it's going
to kind of work.
But when you're low level, a.k.a. the majority of the journey for the majority of the player
base, it's essentially dead.
When you're grinding mobs in the world, it's dead.
The mob will die before you get a proc.
When you're in a boss...
You have to combust.
So yeah.
But you usually fork the boss.
Well like combust is, it's a whole separate talent.
So if you need combust to activate Hot Street, it's like, okay, yeah, you get like one pyro
with combust.
I see your point.
Yeah, yeah.
At endgame if it's anything like vanilla
You're not playing fire in molten core, bro. Like everything is fire immune, right? It won't be till later
I think like my big issue is even if this was instant cast which it's not like pyro is a 1.5 second cast
Even if it was instant it would still be kind of a dead talent until your max level in a raid and like the answer to that
Maybe is okay. That's fine or the answer to that is no
this is a missed opportunity to make it into a fun level 30 talent for the majority of players just playing for the journey
What are you I'm actually curious because I feel like for
leveling and
Dungeons and stuff like that
The only thing that would enable it maybe is wake of fire
Like wake of fire feels like it has really good synergy with hot streak when you like just busting or doing dungeons or whatever
that feels like it would enable it quite a bit.
So Wake of Fire is the other talent I don't like.
So the reason I don't like Wake of Fire
is because, so it's very similar to like
remorseless attacks for a rogue,
or if you play a priest, it's very similar to a spirit tap.
Spirit tap?
Yeah, when you get that killing blow, you get extra crit.
Now there's a few reasons I don't like this.
The first is that in a dungeon scenario, right,
we want to benefit hot streak how often are you going to be able to snipe a killing blow
with fire blast in a group of five like you can but you know if you've ever played a priest
or a rogue you know it's it's kind of hard to always take advantage of that because you
have to get the killing blow right do you have to have a killing blow I would assume
because the other two you do but maybe I'm wrong I haven't tested it to be honest with
you but I thought it was just like you snipe the killing though I thought it was
just if you kill it then it works I don't know if you yeah I think you have
to get the killing blow but I don't think you have to get the killing blow with
fire blasts oh right right not with fire blasts but you need to see the killing
blow anything yeah yeah yeah I see okay that makes sense I'm saying you need to
deal with fire loss specifically oh that's sorry my mistake my mistake like
Just I'm just saying like getting the killing blow in a group of a warrior and a hunter and a rogue and a mage or whatever
When a warrior I was like execute as a mage. It's just gonna be really challenging
So like in a dungeon this might be kind of more dead kind of like how
Pre-star with spirit up where like it's really hard to get a spirit up value in a dungeon
You have to like try to snipe it with a mind blast from like a warrior
But even then you're using the mana for mind blast now, so it's it's tough to get the value although you can
So that's why I don't like it in a dungeon
It's gonna be kind of dead now. You might just think okay for solo plays is really good
My problem with it with solo play is that mages are mana intensive
Spellcasters right so fire drains your mana very quickly
So if you're a rogue and you want to take advantage of remorseless you have energy
So you can easily kill one mob and get value out for a morseless on the next mob
But with a mage if you get a kill with wake of fire
You need to drink like before the next mob almost every time. You don't have energy
It's not not like you're getting spirit tapped to give you mana backs
You don't need to drink like a priest mages are in the spot where like I got a
Kill now I probably need to drink before the next one. So it doesn't really flow very well
so I don't I don't like wake a fire for a multitude of reasons, so I think they should remove it or
completely redesign it probably just remove it and then with hot streak
I don't like it because I think it's pretty dead until
End game so I would like hot streak and wake a fire both changed
But the rest of fire I
Kind of like do you think so
You think the reason why hot streak isn't great is because you're not really gonna take advantage of it until you get three stacks
You don't see a world with like you'd cast a pyro boss of one stack or two stacks
I don't see a world where when you're leveling you're gonna get like two crits on the same mob and then still want to cast a pyro
If you get like yeah, you can like open with a pyro, but I guess it doesn't matter with the short duration
Right. I don't know does it really matter in that situation with so with a 10% crit chance
When you're leveling
How many casts do you need to get two crits like are you even going to be able to get two crits before that falls off?
Most of the time it doesn't proc off of pyro either
True. Yeah, like
With a 10% chance, you still don't get outstreaked from that.
So the only way to really...
Go ahead.
I was going to say, it seems like the only way to enable it is wake of fire, but we don't like wake of fire because it has the problems you mentioned.
Right. Like wake of fire enables it for leveling, but it has a host of other issues, so it should probably be gone.
And since you can't enable it with wake of fire, I think hot streak is essentially dead.
Because like I said with it, I don't know if we have any mathematicians in the chat
But if you have a 10% crit and the time to kill a mob is 10 seconds
Or a time to kill a dungeon boss is 30 seconds or the like the time to kick like is that ever procking?
Like what are the chances you're actually ever using this it becomes almost completely nullified I think
very low
So I think hot streak needs a redesign
I don't I don't think it works currently outside of like endgame endgame endgame stuff when you get like close to
30% crit. How would you want it to be redesigned? Just requiring two crits or?
I think two crits probably makes more sense. My big worry is that it becomes too strong at the
end game, right? Like it becomes too strong in a raid where you're just spamming out pyros left
and right. I don't mind pyro being instant if you can get all three crits. One of the ideas that I
had is that, and I think they introduced this to retail at
some time, but consecutive fireball non crits will increase
your crit chance with fireball or increase your crit chance
potentially overall. That means if you're spamming fireball,
you know, and you don't crit, you're banking up some stored
crit. So a very mini tiny combustion baked in the fireball.
So that you're at least working towards something every
non crit like maybe maybe that's the answer you guys you know about the someone
who's mentioned this in the chat I've seen this in game but I haven't looked at
it too much but the revelation in chat I have seen that yeah yeah is that
something I'm really so the basically chant reads permanently enchanted melee
weapon to have a chance to trigger revelation when a non periodic spell
fails to critically strike revelation grants 100% crit on your next spell
cast. Revelation's chance of triggers diminished as your critical strike chance increases.
So I don't know how often that kind of thing will proc or you can actually play around it,
but it seems like it would be good for fire.
That would be very good for fire. This is the kind of thing that maybe could be a talent
for fire. That's awesome. I got it in Shantomes. I talked to a dev about this one and as you
you get higher crit, it basically the effect diminishes.
So like this is more for like leveling,
it wouldn't really be for end game,
but still like that's cool.
Like I think it's really cool.
So, I, someone in my chat brought this up
and we talked about at the beginning, right?
Where it's like, is it okay that in classic?
Wow, there's like one spec that's good for PVP
and that's normally frost, right?
Is it okay that fire is not like a great leveling spec?
Because I think most of us, most of us are just going to play Frost to level, like pretty
much no matter what.
Very fair.
Yeah.
I think that's completely fair.
Like you could maybe just concede and say, well, fire is the end game spec, Arcane is
going to be, you know, maybe also an end game spec, and you're going to PPP and level
as Frost.
Like maybe that's the answer, but I think there could potentially just be more on the
table here.
So to go back to my suggestion that I had with Arcane
is to bring Fire Blast into the rotation,
because right now in classic era,
like when your PvEing is fire, you don't Fire Blast.
It's not worth the global.
So instead, Wake of Fire could maybe read Fire,
or maybe this is just baked in the Hot Streak.
Fire Blast gives you a guaranteed charge of Hot Streak.
Now all of a sudden, you have a guaranteed way
to get at least one stack.
and Fire Blast is meaningful to press again,
and it helps the leveling experience
because you can get more hot streaks.
And it also helps PVP,
because maybe you can actually use hot streak and PVP,
whereas before it's a dead talent.
So, like Fire Blast generating one hot streak charge
is the best thing I could come up with.
I don't know how you guys feel about that.
So where would that talent go?
Probably just built in a hot streak.
Like, you know how it reads, fireball, frostbill,
have a chance, it would just be fire blast
has a guaranteed chance or whatever.
I think there's a world where you can get
crit talents from frost and crit frost fire bolts
and build HotStreak that way.
I don't actually, I don't know what the rotation
is gonna be like, but what I think they might wanna go for,
And that seems like the most fun build that like yeah, yeah, he said I'm the most excited for this one too
This one is like I hope this is the build because it actually looks fun
Yeah, I think there's a there's a world where
You go fire frost mix
Yeah for PvE and you essentially get like ice shards
You can get fingers of frost and you can get chatter and then that will probably solve a lot of the crit issues
But yeah, for leveling that obviously wouldn't be the case
But yeah, I think something like that. I don't know also how
Improved fireball and improved frost bolt would interact with frost firebolt. I feel like I remember it in season of discovery
Reducing the cast time, but I might be cooked on that fire
Cast time on frost firebolt, but I get literally just reach it
Wait, really? Okay. What about what about in frost bolt? Does it also reduce it or no? No frost bolt
Okay, okay. Yeah, so then you would go other position probably in in frost and then you would just go like ice sharps and all the
Yeah
Yeah, I think I think that's probably gonna be the spec honestly if you want like an interesting rotation for fire and an easy way to
Continuously proc hot streak even with lower crit. That's probably the build. I think this would be a very fun build
I think it would be even more fun if fire blast gave a guaranteed hot streak because then it's four puns
You have Frostfire Bolt, Fire Blast, Ice Lance, and then Pyro. That's four.
Like, that is actually kind of fun! That's like, oh, sweet!
Will you use Scorch?
Oh yeah, I guess you would keep Scorch. That's five.
I mean, that's in line with other classes now.
Like, that is...
And we have nothing to complain about if it's five, right?
Like, that would be cool.
Um...
I hope this is the spec, because I agree with both of you guys that this spec seems like
by far the most fun to play.
It's so satisfying to press a frost firebolt knowing you're double dipping ice shards with ignite and if you crit you're going crazy
Like it's fun, right?
Yeah, so I I hope I hope that's kind of what happens
For the deep fire spec though. Is there any other maybe?
Suggestions you guys had likes dislike or is that kind of it like I don't know
Maybe we've we've talked in circles enough about fire
I have my issues with hot streak being a dead talent outside of like shatter and
Wake a fire, but I don't there's anything else
My issues with fire like I said at the start is just PvP I think for PvP it's a bit cooked
But it's just dead. Yeah for PvE. I think there is potential if the frostfire bolt
Spec ends up being the go-to build then I don't I think fires can have the least issues in terms of rotation
Like you're gonna have a lot of fun things
to look forward to, like you're going to be able to roll Ignite's with Frostfire Balls,
you're going to be able to keep up Pyros. The main thing I don't like about Pyro or about Fire
is Hot Strik. I think they overcooked with Hot Strik. My take is I think it should be instant.
I think it should be an instant Pyro. With how low crit chances? I don't see
be instant being a problem like in PvP assuming you're not like doing the
Shatter build and PvP you're basically never gonna get one like what are you
gonna do cast cast scorches until you get three crits like yeah good luck yeah
it's insane ramp up yeah like that's not you're gonna be dead before that
happens like that's just not a PvP place out right like in PvE are casting yeah I
just don't see hot streak being instant like like right now you get three crits
Which takes forever to actually get and then you still have to cast the pyro. Yeah, I'm a bit confused by hot streak
I
I'm gonna play I'm playing devil's advocate. Yeah, please. Yeah
I kind of feel like if they made hot streak an instant pyro you'd almost there's no reason to ever play
Palm I think that's exactly why the devs did this. Yeah. Yeah, it's like it's a bit
Combust I actually pvp quite a bit as fire. I messed around with that a lot
in classic and combust is actually pretty deadly like if you can you know combust on someone you
scorch fire blast and pretty sure yeah you do any kind of scorch fire blast and then even just
wait for another fire blast once it comes off cooldown like that that that power is gonna
hit really freaking hard and it kind of feel like it makes presence of mind power blast like
absolutely I like the pushback but like at the same time it still plays so different because
because Palm Pyro is something you could be running
on your mount, jump off a cliff,
Palm Pyro midair and like snipe a flag carrier
in like War Song or something, I don't know.
Whereas Compass, if you press it,
you can't just instant Pyro, it's okay, I need to scorch.
Okay, it didn't crit, but I got another stack.
Okay, I need to scorch again.
I need the Fire Blast, I need to scorch again.
It has still, you know, five to 10 seconds of ramp.
Then you get your Pyro, and you're right,
it would hit very hard, but I think that'd be cool.
would enable the spec, whereas Pompiro is very unique.
And you could literally just be AFK stealth in a flag room.
Someone picks up a flag, boom, delete, right?
So I think both would still be unique, personally.
Yeah, I mean, the cool thing about Pompiro
is that you get the AP as well.
So you just have your pyro is just going to hit super hard
as well, if it crits, like all the instance after as well,
like Pompiro, Fireblast, Arcane, Explosion, Spam.
But the thing that's gonna be different now is that
people are gonna have way more HP,
people are gonna do way more damage,
also like other players.
And I think that spec is gonna be kind of dead
because you don't have block, so you have no defense.
And everyone else is gonna be tankier
and also be more deadly to you.
Are people gonna have more stamina?
Is that true?
People already have more stamina.
At level 20, people are having 1500 HP.
Kier is more plentiful.
We'll see that in the end game.
I want to mention something in chat.
A lot of people are saying that Hot Street
does not get consumed on Cast.
I believe it does.
I wanted to test it, but unfortunately,
I never got a proc because my crit was so low.
So I couldn't test it because it never proc.
And it goes 5G.
And it goes 5G to respite.
I believe it is consumed on one Cast.
So for everyone talking in the chat saying,
oh, you could just spam pyros, I believe that's not the case.
I believe that is not the case. I believe it is one cast, just like this.
That makes a lot more sense too, because I feel like it would kind of trivialize the entire fire rotation if
all your entire objective is you get three crits and then you sit there and press one button the rest of the fight, you know, with Pyroblast.
Oh, Pyro, does it have a cooldown? No.
Nope, doesn't.
No.
Yeah, so yeah, no, it would...
It doesn't refresh at all, so eventually you run out.
Oh, because Pyro can't...
create it, what you can proc of like in theory you could do like pyro and then like you want to
like keep a crit up and like fire blasting the stamp pyros but like I don't think that's the case
I'm 99% sure it gets consumed after one charge but I just I wanted like everyone in the chat was
saying you guys are misreading it I don't think that's the case so um okay so we should test it
it. I don't think you can at 20 at 30. We can. Yeah, I'm going to need gold.
Back to that one. Back to that kind of expensive, bro.
People are saying you can make hot streak profit thought curates as well.
Like, so fireball ignite could maybe help with hot streak generation.
Like, that's another idea.
I kind of like the idea of like fire blast gives you one stack of hot streak
and Hot Shriek is Instant Pyro.
Like I think to me that would make the spec feel
how it should, but I don't know.
Okay, best for last.
What do you guys think about Fire and PVP?
Oh, Fire and PVP?
I think, assuming you're not doing like a Fire Frost hybrid
where you get Shatter, Hot Shriek is Omega dead
outside of like, Compass.
Like there's no way you're getting three stacks
and then you're gonna hard cast with Pyro.
Imagine that against a rogue, a warrior, a hunter, a priest.
No, it'll never, it'll just Omega dead.
You could almost just not even,
you could just an untalented hot streak if you wanted to save the point.
I think you would, yeah.
It would be that bad.
So, yeah, Fire would be pretty rough right now,
but like Ziko said, like we chatted about,
like I really think we're playing classic well.
Like I think it's totally fine to be like,
yeah, Fire isn't going to be great, you can play it,
but it's not going to be the PvP spec,
and like personally, I'm fine with that.
I'm fine with fire maybe just sucking outside of like some frost fire hybrids that we chatted about and like that's kind of
That's kind of it. You know, yeah
Let's talk about frost so
frost to me is
One of those specs where like players are like allergic to in PvE, right?
But in PvP players love this spec. Let's talk about PvE frost first
first, assuming that you're just playing deep frost, the current rotation is literally
just frost bolt and ice lance, like you're just frost bolting and ice lancing.
Now if you go into arcane, you can get missile barrage so that you could actually, you know,
do frost bolt, ice lance, and missiles.
So like that, you know, kind of gives it a third button a little bit, but if you're
just frost, it's just frostpull on Iceland. To me, this feels a little too simple. Once
again, you could say just don't play frost in a raid, but assuming they want it to be
okay, what can be done here? What could make frost somewhat interesting? I have a couple
ideas, but maybe Feneriki, I don't know if you had any ideas first.
Yeah. I don't really have any ideas for what they could add to frost without it being,
Yeah, I've heard people say oh, they should have frozen or but
Mages are already so good at a we having enough straight a we button like that
I feel like my break the spec. Yeah, especially because it seems like they're trying to nerf frost a we yeah
I can't help but feel like for frost in general. You're pretty much always gonna be playing
Missile barrage like when I was messing around to the builds in PvE and PvP
You'll probably always just play some sort of frost arcane hybrid. You'll always have missile barrage
Is that okay? I don't know it does like Iceland's in general. I know it's such a powerful button
It's really good. It's get it own but I think it was a really boring choice
in my personal opinion and
Yeah, I'm a bit sad that that's what the addition to frost was even though. I know it's gonna be good
Is eco
Yeah, I think it's just arcane frost
Like, maybe E-frost, it's just gotta be Arcane Frost, right?
Like, I don't know.
I don't know if there's a way to get Arcane Blast into the rotation, but, yeah, it's just Frost with missiles.
I don't see what other button could be worth pressing.
So, maybe we go Battle Mage, maybe we go Battle Mage and weave in some autos.
True, true.
Some wands, yeah.
Yeah, put us in the melee group at the winch.
No, I don't know.
Ziko, so I was chatting with you at BlizzCon in the Sheraton lobby,
and you said something that I thought was really cool.
You said that Frost in Fenilowau, a lot of your damage comes from like Kona cold.
And now that you have Ice Lands in a Nova,
you're always just going to press Ice Lands because it's so good, right?
So the spec gets minimized from,
Okay, should I should I shatter with a fire blast or a cone of cold if I'm close range or a frost bolt
You know and now it's like I am just always ice-landing because this button is so good
So you kind of the specs actually just simplified from what it was an era and I agree
Yep, I don't know if you guys agree with this too, but frost in
Classic wow is almost like a mid-range spec and the sense that like against a warrior
You can dead zone them against a hunter. You can dead zone them against like a lot of classes
you actually an era want to utilize Kona cold because it's so powerful and
With Iceland's it's not gonna be that way anymore. You're just gonna run away and spam rank one frost bowl in Iceland's right
I think I
Think I totally agree with what you're saying like it felt like a decision before where you'd have to if you wanted to shatter
It's gonna pull does a lot of damage right if you wanted to shatter you had to kind of commit
Sure meta resource and you had to go in and yeah, I want to take you even one step further, but
One thing I didn't realize this until talking to one of my friends yesterday who's really into aoe
He's obviously bummed out about the blitzer change
But I didn't realize that you can't actually conkite anymore. There's downtime in your cone of cold snare, which is like pretty devastating
I was stating
When I did that it was it was still a hundred percent uptime unless my math was wrong
10 point it's a 10 second
Cool down to the 10.5 second buff so you could like barely always keep it up, but I could be wrong
Let's let's crush it six seconds. It's six seconds baseline and it gets buffed by
by three seconds, yeah, they get buffed by two seconds,
so it's eight seconds buff uptime.
They might have changed that from when I played,
because when I looked it was eight seconds
getting buffed by like 2.5,
so they might have nerfed it from the build I played.
Yeah, so it'd be a two second downtime in cone now,
which is like, that's huge.
That's really unacceptable, I think.
Yeah, that's like, it's staying.
Yeah.
I think that needs reverted,
Because that's kind of like how the entire mage class plays.
I don't think, yeah, that would be tough.
Yeah, it's 33% of two seconds.
So before permafrost used to be one second per talent point.
So you would have your consulow
and then for each second it would buff by one second.
But now the way I understand it is permafrost
is like 11% per point of the actual snare duration.
snare duration. So if it's a six second duration, it will be buffed by another two seconds from
permafrost. And for imp lizard, it's 1.5 seconds snare. So with permafrost, it would get another
0.5 seconds if you have three points in it. But before, it would be 1.5 seconds snare,
plus three seconds. So it was a four and a half seconds snare. So the imp lizard has been nerfed,
like the slow of implicit has been nerfed, but also the duration which is even worse
has been halved, even more than halved. Yeah, if that stays, I think Kona Cold Slow should
go to eight seconds, how it was maybe I think, and then so you can keep up the uptime, how it
is an era, that's crazy if that's not the case, because that's brutal. Now some people were
saying it goes up with the ranks, it's not true, I'm looking at it, so it's six seconds always, so
So, and that like little changes like that might not seem like a big deal, but it's a
fundamental, fundamental change is how mages play.
Like that would be way, way bigger of a nerf than the Blizzard change, like by a mile.
Like that would be, that would be like catastrophic for Mage if that is the case.
That's the biggest nerf.
In both PVP and PVP for the record, like, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, and PvP and dungeons with leveling, mob kiting, rank one conical, kiting is kind
of the whole build.
So wow, that went over my head.
I think the build I played, it was 8 seconds, so that's insane.
Okay, so for me, if I'm going to talk about the PvE side of things first, I still feel
like Frostbolt Ice Lands, if you're deep frost, and then you can maybe go missile barrage
if you're going to add in that like a third button from Arcane is very, very simple, right?
Frostbolt, Frostbolt, Frostbolt, Ice Lance, Frostbolt, Missiles, Frostbolt, Frostbolt,
Frostbolt, Ice Lance.
I would love a reason to cast Frostfire Bolt.
Someone gave me an idea to like bake it in the Winner's Chill.
So like when you have five Winner's Chill stacks, maybe you can shatter them with Frostfire
Bolt.
That I think would be awesome.
So once you get enough winners, show up, you're really incentivized to Frostfire Bolt.
I think that would be cool to use the new button.
I think the Fireplast idea, giving you a finger to Frost, could also be cool.
So making Fireplast worth pressing for all three specs.
I think Farmer Farms, the guy that I was chatting about with Mage Stuff, he had an idea where
Frostfight would work on mobs that are immune.
So if you go in Frostbite and PVE, it would actually hurt a boss, because it can't freeze
the boss, it's immune.
It would actually hurt it, kind of like deep freeze and wrath.
I think that would be kind of cool, where you could actually get value out of Frostbite
on a boss, and you're fishing for these chill effects to actually just get big spike damage
on the boss every Frostbite, kind of keep it thematically frozen as well.
I think there's like...
Did that change your rotation though?
Not really.
Yeah, I guess not really.
Yeah, I guess that's still really...
It's gonna be three buttons like no matter what or even two if you're just deep frost
I
Think yeah a reason to cast fire blast a reason to cast frost fire bolt would also be really cool
Yeah, there's any universe people play deep frost fire and PvE
I think got more obvious one is that you played deep fire because you get so many good talents
I think fire fast because ice bear. It's like what are you gonna get with ice barrier?
Actually, you will want a winner's chill mage probably
It's winter's chill. No, it's only for you. I think they changed all those effects. So it's only for you
Oh, you're right. You're right. Yes, I think
At least you can get that benefit. Yeah, like all all those kind of things are just for yourself now
Yeah, you don't have to like bring a mage who's just like a winter's chill bot, you know
Damn, that was my ticket before
I think the fire hybrid would just simply be better like I can't see a world where
Oh, I mean, maybe the math works out to where it's different about
It's so funny like there's so many things like oh, maybe we could just get like you
know something that allows us to use frostfire bolt that would be you know super good is
like the thing already exists but we just don't want you know what I mean like
There's no reason to press it.
No, I mean like you could just do like a brain freeze proc or something like that.
That's like, yeah, I thought about that.
That's a no brainer.
But it's like, are we going to have Iceland and brain freeze?
Like, I don't know, it's a bit.
Yeah, so.
Yeah.
Orb as well.
Indeed.
We're chilling.
Waterally.
Waterally.
That's kind of like the arcane barrage thing.
It's like almost too obvious like brain freeze would fix frost in a lot of ways, but it's
almost just too obvious.
like we've done that before, sod had it, you know, you have this in Cata, you like modern
mage, you know, it's like it's just been done. It's like I would like something more interesting.
One of the things I thought was cool about balance druid is you're really incentivized
through in Eclipse. So your wrath spells reduce the cast time of your next starfire spells,
And then you're really incentivized with, um, uh, balance, where is this thing?
Is it nitrous grace?
Uh, I'm thinking of.
Yeah.
Where is that?
Oh yeah.
No, no, no nitrous grace.
Eclipse and there was another spell.
Oh, it, oh, apparently it got removed like today or something.
Oh no.
What?
another talent that really incentivize like this back and forth like you're not
just gonna spam wrath it's like okay let's give wrath a reason to cast
starfire and let's give starfire reason to cast wrath right like I like the idea
of something other than eclipse yeah there was a secondary one apparently all
the druids in my chat are saying they removed it but very similar to this
like paladin and fusion of light right or the druid eclipse I think warlock has
some abilities like this too, like when we're looking at other classes it seems like there's
reasons to actually cast this. Like when we look at a like a spec like Shadow Priest, right,
you're gonna put up devouring plague, shadow word pain, you're gonna mind blast every time
it's off, you're gonna mind flay as a filler, right, and that's not counting, you also have
shadow word death towards the end of a fight, right, so that's just like five quick damaging
buttons that you're gonna be pressing in a fight, and that's not counting things like
utility, like disbells or vampiric embrace or if you have to fear silence during the
fight that's just damaging abilities right that's like a shadow priest and you
know I kind of went through every class and I was like man a lot of these
rotations are are close to five buttons you know three or four and I went to
mage I was like man we're bland so that's why I was like man how can we how
can we spice this up to not make mages ahead of other classes but just to bring
mages in line with the other classes and I think I was gonna say I feel like one
of the the issues that mage has is a lot of spells power is just baked into
talents right so you have like all these different you have fire you have frost you have arcane they
all have like their unique a we with arcane explosion and flame strike and blizzard it's like
may just have so many damage buttons but it feels like there's no reason to press a lot of those
buttons exactly exactly because the talents buff them so much you know so with with other classes
it's like you might be incentivized to use all of the buttons you already have maybe mages don't
need a new button we just need reasons like like winners chill giving you a reason to frost fire
bolt i think could be cool like it's fire built in what if frost fire bolt thaws out winners chill
and and does a ton of damage so when you get five stack winners chill you actually do want to frost
fire bolt to shatter it and it melts all the ice away and does a ton of damage and that i think
would fix frost it gives you a third button gives you a reason to press something that's already in
in the game, like that would probably be a decent idea.
Yeah, then like, you said for Fire Blast and Arcane,
it's like you're kind of just using the spells
you already have, but in a different way.
Exactly, in a different way.
And that's what Ery's all about.
It's not about like being, adding in all these new talents.
It's about utilizing what you have in like really cool ways.
But right now as Mage, we don't really quite have that yet.
I mean, just for new people tuning in,
the conversation that we're having isn't about strength.
It isn't buff mages and nerf mages.
That's not the conversation.
The conversation is, how can the rotation itself
be interesting as interesting as other classes currently are?
Because currently it's not.
So how do we bring up the rotational complexity
to match the rotational complexity
of every other spec in the game?
So that's the conversation.
And also buff mages.
And see, see ya, see ya, go.
I'm dying to pets out here, bro.
about that me so it is it is
interesting I think it's worth noting
one of the reasons why I'm not that
hype about mage is just seeing like
some of the quality of life and changes
other specs have gotten is like and I
know like let's be clear like major is
super OP and vanilla I know it you know
the god class you know things like
warlocks and rogues as well but feels
like they didn't get as much love as
Some of the other specs like on Hunter. I was listing out all of the amazing
This isn't a nerf hunter by the way, don't come after me if you're a hunter. I like Hunter
I'm probably gonna main it but
so many
positive changes for those back like in the unbelievable amount and it feels like even though mages were, you know, really OP
Instead of you know, the other classes kind of being brought up to their level which in a lot of cases
It seems like they were
No, not for some stuff, but it feels like major's also about like brought down on a lot of the things that I loved about it
Just the frost snares in general is like a dagger to my heart, you know
I'll actually write a note to ours about the conical thing. I wonder like I mean that has to be intentional, but like that seems
That seems crazy. I feel like that went over my head. So
that's the nerve
Dungeons majors and dungeons
I've got all these changes that are targeted at mages in dungeons, like blizzard snare is brutal
because we can't put people in the pens anymore. You're probably not even going to speck in blizzard
or if you speck it, you're just going to one point it just so you can fish procs with it because
it's OP to fish procs on a big stack of people. But yeah, the cone one is brutal for 1v1.
So one of the slowing someone and then you have to like get somehow like a rank one bolt like we've been there
It's right. It's so strange. I
Agree you go. Yeah, thanks for bringing that up like I literally didn't even know that there's gonna be a gap now
I I must have either looked at a different build or just read it wrong. That is that is kind of crazy
Yeah, seems like they genuinely just don't want me just to be able to sell a bunch of monsters. That's like
pretty much. Yeah. You know, because if you couldn't do it with Blizzard, you would be able to do it with
Tom Hiding, but the problem is it has like big ramifications for how Mage works in PvP too.
And PvP, right.
Like trying to kite a warrior and you can't snare them all of a sudden, you know, like there's
down times where they can get to you and hamstring you and one-shot you, it's like, it just fundamentally
changes the game.
Or in solo play, like even just kiting a mob, like it's going to be like, like playing hardcore,
Yeah, it's gonna be very different.
Hmm, yeah, that Kona Cold one is definitely pretty brutal.
Trying to think if there's anything else we missed here.
Like, I think that Frostfire build is gonna be fun.
I think the Arcane build might be the most OP one
or the Frostfire one, and those both work, I think, in PVE.
So on the topic that Ben brought up with like hunters who got like a lot of quality of life
changes, beautiful quality of life changes, yeah I mean the auto attack change is insane
like what you could just have you seen it Zard?
Uh, you think it's a wand change?
No, no, just baseline.
Have you noticed it with wand?
Is this in change?
It's a little quicker.
Like you know?
Yeah, like you used to have like a like a 0.5 second like cast timer. Yeah, yeah, like a ramp up
That that has been
Significantly buffed now. So now you can just like ping out on auto like basically while you're running
You just stop for like a millisecond and then you get it off. It's a it's a very nice change
The pet changes like the pet move you can move your pet like maneuver it around
You can move it in the opposite direction and run away to like instead dismiss it
obviously all the pet abilities like they they got a lot of cool stuff
hey you know what I'm glad it's time for shot summon hawk yeah I looked at a lot of these the main late the new brand new melee build and
survival and then paladins bro they change their gear they're gear scaling too you
don't have to stack spell power anymore for arcane shot oh yeah that's pretty nice
Your your pet also gains stats from your stats, I believe
So like a lot of a lot of cool changes a lot of quality
For sure so
I'm online on my mage and I am slinging two waters a cast
Casting two waters literally I am making ten waters water and boom and then I'm drinking
two of those ten waters to get back to full mana. What is going on? Is there any quality
of life in the Lair?
So a lot of haters, quote unquote, might say, if you don't like mage, just re-roll.
And obviously they're hares and they're trolling, but the not funny thing is, I think Van Rookie
might not play a mage. Honestly, if nothing changes for me, what I'll do is I'll make
in a mage anyway for fun, because I always play mage,
but then I'll probably just re-roll to a warrior to raid on.
Like, weekly raids, I'll probably go in a warrior
because it looks fun, or a Pali because it looks fun.
And I think there's something really weird
about life-long mages just being like,
okay, well, the answer might just be
play a different class that looks fun.
That's like, that might be a red flag, right?
That might be a red flag.
It's like, the class should be interesting enough
to feel compelling to play in a specific use case.
And I think right now we're definitely pretty shy of that.
right
um i'm already a little ten on my hunt to killing red mobs
i'm chillin bro
i need to check out hunter i was thinking warrior or pali if mage gets nothing
like it's like well maybe warrior or pali might be more fun
you've got it you gotta try hunter dude i swear
what what's that what's that
i'm a lovely vm but marx bit i'm gonna play marx probably marx just seems
yeah see his low and wolf looks so cool baseline aim shot sniper shot marx looks
fun
Yeah, yeah, Kong shot. Yeah, huge range. You can trap in combat like oh my god. Yeah, I might have to
insane might be a marksman ship hunter council next weekend. Maybe next year it's going to be the hunter
council. Yeah, um, you know, like, yeah, people people want to meme about, you know, buff mage,
nerf mage, whatever. But I think at the end of the day, they should feel fun in their own unique way.
And I think a lot of mages, what we're feeling right now is forever came out. And we actually kind
of got just got nerfed in a lot of ways. And the rotation complexity is not quite there. And you
don't really have the slows. So it's like, okay, well, maybe I'll just play something else. You
know, it's like, wow, that's brutal. But we got range on Arcane Spell. Like the things I'm most
hype about range on arcane spells, missile barrage and fingers of frost. I'm not really
hype about it, but it'll be good. Like, Iceland's, yeah, well, like, I mean, depending on how much
damage it does, but it feels like frost is just going to be all about spamming rank one frost bolts,
fishing for procs. That's basically how that it's going to work.
Rank one, rank one, rank one, and then missile barrage or Iceland's and rank one, rank one.
Yep. I honestly don't think it's going to be that weak to play mage on the higher levels,
because I looked at the scaling, I don't know if you guys have seen the scaling required like in
terms of spell power to hit as hard as you would on 60 with zero spell damage. I did a little bit,
yeah. So for those who don't know in classic forever they have nerfed the baseline damage
of spells and then they have added better scaling with the with the spell power and there's also
more spell power so at 60 for some classes like I was looking at shaman
looking brutal for shaman they need like I think the median was like for chain
lightning yeah it was like 700 nature damage to hit as hard as an L
a shaman would with zero spell power at 60 obviously this doesn't tell you like
the full picture because you have lava burst you have like new spells and stuff
so it doesn't tell you like the full picture of how hard you're gonna be
hitting but for frost the scaling is actually like very good like I think it's
like 75 spell power or something median to hit the same amount at level 60 as
you would with no gear and obviously because there's way more spell power in
the game on the gear here you're gonna be able to like hit go way beyond that so
I think major is probably gonna be a good class scaling wise that it's hard but
Yeah, I don't know how excited I am about playing Proc Simulator basically like you're just
Trying to sheep someone and then send a frost bolt and then spamming around one bolts to get you know
Miss overage and and fingers are frost and player on Iceland's even if it hits hard even if it's strong
I don't know I guess that kind of backs up the conversation is like I don't think any of us are concerned that mages are gonna suck
Like I think they're gonna be fine. Yeah, like I think we all agree there like they're gonna be fine
This isn't about that. It's about how do we make them fun?
Because right now it's yeah, it's gonna be very very one-buttony, you know, and it's I'm not gonna
I don't want to be a doomer, but I'm pretty concerned. I'm pretty concerned finish
We're gonna be playing a one-button kind of mage deal here where
Doesn't sound very fun. I agree Ziko. It's like spamming spamming a
Fishing for proc sending the proc fishing for proc spending the proc and it's all right, you know, so I agree
It also kind of feels like that will be the only viable PvP spec as well.
So it's like if you don't like that, it's kind of tough to pick up something else.
Yeah.
If you are PvP-er, maybe you could stop on Pyro. I think Pale will enjoy that.
True.
Alright, well, was there anything else? You guys were thinking major overall, specific specs, PvE, like just anything? Anything at all?
I mean, I think I...
One thing I haven't looked at, is there something that I'm missing here with like, I know, like
I said, that's like a lot of classic, I haven't played a lot of the newer stuff with Season
of Discovery, so you guys will know this better than me, so I'm genuinely asking and maybe
some of the people in the chat are wondering as well.
Is there anything with like this new mage profession that might add power we don't know
about or something interesting we don't know about?
Is that a chance?
To me, what it seems like is they're very, very flavor.
Like, they're really fun, exciting flavor items,
and that's about it.
The strength seems like, we'll see.
Maybe there's some really cool stuff,
but it seems very more flavor-oriented.
The only scroll that I thought were useful
in Season of Discovery was the,
I don't remember the name of it,
But there was a scroll that allowed you to teleport to people
if they were in an inn.
So somebody could go to an inn, and then you
could invite them to party, and then you
could just insteport yourself to them,
and then you could port that person.
And that's pretty much what I used my mage in SOD for,
was to port my hunter around and my tank Elisha-Haman around.
And then I would go and gank people on those too.
So that was a really good scroll.
There was also the res scroll.
So you could res people with one of the scrolls.
Obviously, there's some new ones here.
Could also give some food and water.
So I mean, they were, I think, mostly flavor.
I think the scrolls, maybe they'll
do something different there.
But I think at the bare minimum for mage,
like not talking about PVP balance,
not talking about the PDE rotation and stuff,
there is just a couple of things that are super outdated.
And I don't quite understand why they're still like that.
It's just, it's frustrating.
And also frustrating for other players
who are playing with mages,
because a lot of the time,
somebody will ask you for a portal and you're like,
oh shit, man, this has never happened to me before,
but yeah, it's a little embarrassing, you know?
It's the first time,
but I actually don't have a rune right now.
So it happens.
It does happen.
You know, like you're at the end of a dungeon
and like your party is expecting you to port them out of there
and you're just like, it's a hard stone voice.
It is what it is, you know?
So like portal the runes, teleports runes,
like why is this shit in the game still?
Just get rid of it, you know?
Same thing for like flash powder for ropes.
I don't know if they still have that stuff like this.
Just get rid of it so we can give people portals.
We won't even be mad about not getting tipped at that point.
True.
Because it's very, very, you know what I'm saying?
I think.
This is a pretty slow up into retail voice.
I think in the legacy talent trees eco, there's something that makes it so if you've leveled
enough alts or leveled enough characters that there's no reagent cost anymore for like buffs
and ports and stuff.
Oh, whoa.
Yeah.
I believe I saw that, yeah.
So yeah.
So it's free if you leveled enough alts?
I believe.
There's no like for a blessing of kings for a paladin, there won't be any reagents.
agent class and stuff like that.
Yeah, and the other thing is water, like making two waters.
And at max level making 10, now I did.
Max level, I think, should be 20 waters.
But while leveling, I think it might be, it is what it is.
But yeah, max would be nice if you could make
a stack of 20 waters.
I had the same experience with Yusiko yesterday.
I was out of mana, and the healer wanted water,
and then the other spellcaster and a group wanted water.
And I had zero waters, or maybe I had like two on me,
but I was also out of mana.
So I was like, okay, I'll sure I'll make you water.
So I spent like 30 seconds to get full mana
and then I made, I spent like another 30 seconds
for my full mana bar to make like 10 waters.
And I was like, hold on, I need to drink first.
Anyway, took like five minutes to get out
like two stacks of water to people.
And it's like, the group was a halfway done at the dungeon.
So I was just like, yeah.
Wait, you were giving them the premium water?
You're giving them the Fiji, but I just get people down.
I was always down, Ricky.
Yeah, I was giving them the half of water.
I was giving them the nice spring water, man.
You know, I would just.
I'd turn that around, bro.
Like when I level my mage, I literally just buy water,
because I don't want to deal with that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You just always just buy it.
You see, yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
There's definitely some stuff.
Like, bro, I like mage.
I will say this.
I want to play a mage.
Me too.
I actually do.
I really want to want to play a mage.
And right now, I think the strength is going to be there.
They're going to be strong, right?
I want to have a rotation that makes it
Just as interesting as any other spec
And I think some of the things we talked about with fire blasts with wake of fire with winter chill with hot streak with arcane blasts
I think would probably get us there. So I think I think it's a productive conversation. Hopefully
Yeah, cool well GGs
Yeah
It just
That's my bad my bad. I'm going level one water from from now on
Give me the warm toilet water bro
G cheese yeah
All right, or you just give them the give them the option free toilet water or a very very good deal on the Fiji
Yeah, you got to charge your group making income so
Yeah, actually made I made a lot of my money in classic era just selling food water and ports in Orgumar
I think venerate you did the same thing right? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah
What am I gonna do?
You're mage given right exactly set up a nice little macro then rookies teleportation service
Don't forget to get your buns and your water. You're good to go
Then I played classic green. That's not what we were doing, bro
We were sitting off stream solo farming robes of the arc mage patterns and slinging it to every major
We literally had like level of ones
Posting them on the auction house and then we would sell them in trade chat and advertise it as cheaper than the auction house
And we just undercut ourselves
I'm only straight people.
The truth comes out all these years later.
Oh my goodness.
He'd be calling me like 5am.
Like 5am bro, you gotta get on.
We got a farm.
We got a farm.
Yeah, we have classic duels to play in dude.
It's not free leveling engine bro.
Oh.
Oh man.
Alright, well, beta time for me.
Thank you guys so much for coming on and chatting.
This is good.
This is good, like I was thinking about a lot of things
in my own head, but I want to like chat it out with you guys
because you guys are some of the best majors I know
in the world, so it's like, all right,
what does Fenderuki and Seiko think?
So this has been great.
Yeah, thanks.
I definitely learned some stuff about different talents.
Same, yeah.
We all learned some stuff today, so that's good, you know?
Yeah, I like your ideas, too.
Super sick.
Guys, Fenderuki, Seiko, check them out, show them some love,
and see you guys on the beta.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, Spidey Co.
All right, later boys.
Ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen.
Guys, that was so fun.
I had a blast.
That was dope.
Some massive cheese.
We got to do that again for more classes.
I love this.
This is like deep dive theory crafting stuff.
I'm going to go to the restroom.
I'll be right back, and we'll continue the conversation.
One sec.
Alright guys, we're back.
Cool, cool, cool.
Sweet, sweet, sweet.
We uh, what do you guys think of that?
What did you guys think of that?
What did you guys think of that?
Was that fun?
I hope you guys had fun.
It was kind of cool to chat about Mage in a deep dive way.
chat cool beta keys yeah I'll do some giveaways in a sec no mention of ignite we
shot it a good amount about it TLDR hunter OP yeah I won't play mage but
it was interesting yeah sounds like we're all just gonna play hunter now yeah
the council made me want mages nerfed more okay nice great panel need more of
of it. Cuckoo. The cone of cold and blizzard changes are sad. I want to check about the
cone of cold one because that cone of cold change went over my head and like that's bad
if that's actually real. Like not having cone of cold uptime is kind of the whole spec.
Like that's way worse than the blizzard one. What if Iceland's going to play a Sloan? No,
No, no, no, no, I don't want to do that.
You should do panels for other classes.
I really only have the knowledge to chat about, like,
warrior, Pali, road priest, mage.
I would not have the knowledge to chat about Hunter
Shamanlock, Druid.
Maybe lock, but definitely not the others.
Just host the others.
OK, yeah, I'll think about it.
You could try to get like, like do a Truid one with like soda pop in, like people that
know Truid, a lock one, trying to think, like with Rogue, you'd get like Payo and, I mean
Pico is, the warrior if you get like Ampy and, yeah, yeah, yeah, that could be cool,
that could be cool.
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No, no, no, no, no, not like this.
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Oh, it's just, it's just getting here.
That's what I should do, is start making water right now.
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For Hope?
Holy thanks for the prime, Ezreal thanks for the prime, Anonymous thanks for the T1.
I like the idea of deep diving in the other specs as well.
Like keep in mind guys, I don't know as much about the other specs because I haven't played them to the same degree I've played Mage.
So like, like I said, I could like host them and I think that'd be fun.
But my level of conversation isn't gonna be the same right, but I think it would still be a really good idea
What's the mage council productive I think so I think some of the ideas with like fire blasts being worth casting
I think using more winners chill using something with winners chill and PvE to make it compelling and
I think hot streak and wake of fire simply just need to redesigns
Okay, um, we'll give the giveaway another 30 seconds or so to roll, well maybe we'll
wait until 2000 users, so forever hype 9 in the chat, and 2000 users will roll it.
You have a 1 in 2000 chance hype.
Oh my gosh, here comes the glaze, guys, while the game looks so good.
The game looks so good.
Man thanks for the prep knowledge. Thanks for fun
You have to test the fire blast T1 mage talent now
What is there to test about it?
If it's the killing blow, I'm sure it is all talents that do that read the same way
Wait a minute my FPS is 150. Oh now it's 120
My FPS is maybe a little higher today. Oh, maybe it's cuz I just logged in though. I'll see I'll probably go down in a bit
Um, I wait, okay. We're at 1800. We'll roll this very soon, guys. Forever Hype 9. We'll give away a beta key, and then, uh, if you don't win, we'll give away more later, so don't worry.
What about making Fire Blast a guaranteed crit if you have three stacks of Scorch? I mean, that could be cool too, but it might be a little OP.
Believe it or not, I don't want Majors being OP, so I think that might be a little OP
in like PvP too. If you just give Fireblast 100% Chris, like scary.
We don't want, we don't want that. Alright, we'll roll it in 5, 4, good luck, 3, 2, 1. Pick me,
let's see if you win. Imagine if you actually did. Parks, Parsk, Parsk won three-year follow
Are you there you won? Congratulations. Are you a human being or are you a bot be honest with me?
What's going on?
He doesn't reply will re-roll it and no matter what we'll pick a pick some more winners later in the day
In a little bit
No reply yet after 30 seconds parsk one you won parse one you you're a winner
give him another second and if he doesn't say anything well reroll forever
I'm not hold parsk parsk one
I mean either like no he's not bought guys he's been following for three years but either
Either he's AFK or the boss not working, I don't know.
I'm going to type something out real quick while we're waiting for parsk.
Okay
Well
Guys
He's not here. We're gonna reroll it. Good luck. Have fun three two one
oh
Crap, I just click reroll twice. Oh
No, I reroll twice. It should who is the guy who is the guy before this? Oh, I clicked it twice
Who is the guy because the guy before this definitely one right drag was it Drago Chen?
Oh crap, hold on let me see if I can get Drago Chen up. Wait, is there a way to go back?
Drago Chen, are you here? Oh, I pulled you up.
Following since September, oh five day followage.
The last thing he typed was forever-hype-7. This time he types forever-hype-9. He hasn't typed
Anything at all except giveaways.
Drago Chen, are you a human?
Drago Chen, are you a human?
I'm asking you.
If, yes.
What if I ask them guys to verify it's not a bot here?
Hmm.
Hmm.
Hmm
How oh explain your name I like that dragoch and what is your name mean?
No, give him a second. Yeah, what is your name me? I like that one explain your name
game. English dragon and German traction. Dragachan. Okay, this guy seems legit. Um,
Dragochin, how did you find the stream?
You can be honest is how did you find the stream?
Yo, yo
Try onto the tier one MTW with five gifted subs past your prime of the prime as you know the gifted I
Don't know probably top streamer
Seems legit to me guys seems legit yo drag ocean. I'm gonna send you a dm drag drag O Chen yo
Check your DMs
Two three four five six seven eight nine
I
Cheesy-cheesy-cheesy
All right guys, if you didn't win we'll do more giveaways later. Don't worry. Okay. Don't worry
Saj
Yo, Ethel check your DMs. I'm giving you one as well
That's my mistake
All right, Ethel, it's in your DMs.
Two winners on that one.
All right, cool, let's move.
Bring the Nightmare Shard to Math Rangiel, Bearwalker, and Tharnassus.
I can do that.
Guys, I feel like I barely actually played the game.
I've been playing for 8 to 10, 15 hours a day and I feel like I've barely played because there's so much I want to do.
But it's like, goodness gracious, we gotta do it. You know what I mean? We have to do it. We gotta step up and do the thing.
Tidefish, thanks for the prime. Deppit, thanks for the T1, man.
Bop.
Wait, did I just punch that squirrel?
Why am I punching with my s-
What the heck?
Where's Manishield?
I can't really see it too much.
Talbar mantle.
Oh yeah!
Is that even better than what I have?
Oh yeah, only is that even better than what I have?
Probably.
I hope so.
It's blue with Elise.
That's a great question.
Um, I think using gaming as a leisure time activity is awesome.
Using gaming as a way to connect with other people and spend your time in a way that you're just loving it is awesome.
You make friends, you're out there doing stuff, but as soon as it becomes, um,
you can't function in a real life because you're constantly thinking of the game,
and I know I'm probably talking to a lot of you guys out there because I'm talking to myself,
sometimes, then it becomes an addiction and it becomes something that is detracting from your
life instead of adding to it. And anything is this way, not just gaming, anything could be,
It could be working out, right?
It could be reading.
It's a great thing, but in excess, it could be too much.
So that's probably my take overall.
Gaming's a really, really cool thing,
but of course, in excess, it could be too much.
But that's not unique to gaming, right?
That's pretty much everything.
Is the lag a little better for anyone else today?
I'm at like 170 FPS.
I mean, I still should be a little higher than that,
I feel like that's way better than yesterday.
No?
Yeah.
OK, what am I doing?
What am I doing?
What am I doing?
What am I doing?
What am I doing?
I kind of want to get tailoring and make some better gear.
I also kind of want to get a better chest, better cloak,
and better bracers.
If I do deadlines again, I could get the corsair.
No, the Corsair's Overshirt is healing.
What could give me a better cloak?
Shadowfang Keep might have some good loot.
Tryna think.
There's our Ring and Wetlands.
Let me go back to the board
and get the flight path real quick.
Man, the game looks good.
Robes of Oracle are too high level, I think.
My overall thoughts on Rogue,
I haven't played it yet to really know. New Shiba, I think we'll check it tomorrow.
Ruins of Lordaeron has an eight spell power chess piece.
That could be sick.
Dude, I have no clue, man. I have no idea.
When's the dueling turning? It's not announced yet. Got any thoughts on warrior changes? Not
too in-depth, but like overall, like I'm really excited to play a warrior. I played on the beta,
it was fun, but the reality is, or the demo, the reality is warriors were like always just
really fun. Crap, I need to take the boat back. So I'm just excited to play era warrior in a sense.
Any info on hunter changes your hunters looks so good like they look so fun
Have you noticed changes to mob leashing not so much?
What's your top target keep on T with staff on my using Emerson
Go kill elites for the Bish shoulder
We'll be that later. I stopped three tail six months ago as I got fed up with the constant grind to stay up to scratch
You'll love forever
Yeah, it'll be you'll you'll like it a lot. You'll definitely like it a lot
Talons here, what did you think one v one to be two over all better in PvP mage versus rogue versus hunter versus shadow Priests D
Too early to say too early to say what's the level on beta 20, but it's gonna go up to 30 next Thursday
Try lock next I think I'm gonna do warrior or Pali
Next cat sir, I think this one love things this I freaking love this game same dude
for the next Thursday not this Thursday when is the council we just finished you turn off
ambient lighting that's why i'm okay
only sub i have to on twitch love the content
what are your thoughts on adding additional spells or abilities on end game weapons
Not spells and abilities, but the way spells and abilities are modified, absolutely.
So it's not like it would give you a full new ability, but adding in, okay, this tier
Frostfire Bull or Fire Blast is going to do unique things because of a set bonus is awesome.
It's kind of how they did in Saad.
two-piece set bonus and sought-increased fire blast crit chance, etc.
What do you think about the stuff people are going to do for the extra five talent points for dual tourney?
That's a good thing to bring up. I will write that down.
Very good. That won't be in the game. Yeah, it will. Unlocks at 25. Dual turnies at 30.
Very good question.
The interface looks like classic is an add-on, yep, it is an add-on called classic UI forever.
It's the same points just earlier, yeah exactly, for the 30 cap it's 5 more.
Sale the yellow, thanks for the prime.
What talents am I using here you go?
Which camera settings is the one used in classic?
I use never adjust camera when moving, if that's what you mean.
Did I see the battle mage spec? Yeah, that was hilarious.
What are your thoughts on Shadow Priest? It looks really fun. It looks really, really fun.
Liking the game a lot, and it seems like they still have a lot of content to interrupt dates.
Forever Hype.
For hold?
Yeah, I'm gonna play a lot of classes in the beta, man.
Warrior, Pali, Mage, and if I have time, Rogue and Priest.
I mean realistically what I'll probably do is I'll have a mage for playing and a warrior
for rating.
Consider flavor versus what you consider good itemization.
You've agreed that horizontal progression involves various place tile options.
I was surprised you were closed off to the battle mage simply because of specs.
Huh, yeah, I'm curious, I don't really understand what you're saying, Boltz.
So flavor is like something that wouldn't really be viable, but you could like do, it's
Like the battle mage for example you could do but it would be like a challenge to do one hardcore
You know like my monk challenge or barbarian like that stuff's cool
But it's not like gonna be like viable in a raid, but you could do it
Nothing's stopping you cool do it right? That's the that's the kind of stuff like for for a lot of these scrolls
Like yeah, it'll be fun flavor stuff like chill knife like you get a slow at something
But it's not gonna be like what you do in a raid. So I don't I mean, I don't really know what you're
horizontal progression is a completely different conversation. Of course you're gonna want,
you don't want the power just to get stronger. You want each tier to feel a little different.
That doesn't mean adding in a chill knife scroll. Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I'm
helping you at all here. I don't know if I'm really following the question.
Okay, we got that flight path. That's good.
Trying to think that that what like I could do the under city dungeon again for the chest
Yeah, I might do that I
Want new bracers new chest and new cloak and then I want to go tailoring to get a new helmet
It I would have spear it on it. Hmm
Trying to think like
What is the best bang for my buck here?
Because I want to get better gear world pp to make an alt I think that's what I want to do
I want to like a little better gear first, so I don't just get one shot
Manola, thanks for the two on SFK isn't the SFK stuff too high level
Yeah, I don't have a helmet yet can made this a we farm off the way and see especially what they do with conic old
Yeah, maybe I just go straight tailoring right now.
And Bill, because with tailoring, I think you can get, well, no, I think you have to
do a lot of the scroll stuff.
Definitely trying to figure out like the best thing for my buck right now.
Helmets, that's the biggest upgrade.
I could make a helmet tailoring, but I think the pattern is from, you have to farm, I don't
I don't think I have any of my bags, the way-laid things, don't you?
The Taylor Helms 24, you can just find my Foxion House. Oh, can you?
So maybe I just go tailoring right now.
There's good boots too.
Alright, maybe I'll go tailoring right now and see what we can get done.
For the first waylay turnin' you get 50 bonus currency.
Oh my gosh, looks so good in Stormwind, bro!
Okay, so I'm gonna unlearn inchie mining
I haven't really done a deep dive on true yet
I think chance would know more than me there
I
Mean if I hear any good feedback y'all definitely send it to devs
But I'm not just gonna like blast them with annoying things like
Make fire blast a hundred percent crit like make like no, I'm not just gonna blast him with annoying stuff either, right?
At the end of the day, we don't want me just being OP we want them being fun
So, I'm gonna be honest, I haven't heard many good ideas.
I've been reading hundreds or thousands of ideas.
I haven't really heard many good ones.
I've heard like two good ones or something.
But yeah, if there's good enough stuff, it's like,
yeah, maybe it'll work.
What do you think about making winners chill stack works
like glacial stack?
I think making winners chill activate
with Frostfire Bolt is it's actually a really really really cool idea. I like that a lot.
See you later!
All right.
Battle mage coming out.
Yeah.
We'll see.
Are you the fan of the two names?
I like it from a practical sense, but it kind of sucks in application, but we're on one
mega realm, so without it, it's going to be tough.
Oh, yeah, easy. We just gotta get some cure first. Yo, Mathias, thanks for the gift
of tier one. Can't you hide the second name, yeah. Yo, Nick, thanks for the prime.
I think my bank has some more cloth.
Drink walking up in a thing is basically a 15-30% DPS nerf from Agent Dungeons.
Oh, right, yeah.
Yeah, I mean there's definitely some stuff then
I actually have a ton of cloth cool
just drink while pulling what do you mean what he means is like as a mage you
want to drink in between polls but the group moves up during polls so far if
you just keep drinking you're gonna miss the whole poll so what may just do if
you want to min max your dps is you'll drink walk drink walk drink walk drink walk so you
can basically get mana while moving to the next pole and then do damage on the pole so
if you're trying to like min max damage as a mage that's what you would do we can't do
that anymore it's a it's definitely a very niche min max thing I guess that people want
cl changes but I hate how everyone acts like we only have one week at max level to enjoy
True. Very true.
I agree. This is actually the first time in classic WoW history since 2004 where we're going to get a balance patch and everything's going to change.
And guess what, we'll get another one after that, and another one after that, and another
one after that.
So it's, you know, the best class in the game right now might be the worst class in the
game in a few patches, and I love that.
You want a bottom re-roll?
Go for it, because your class might be the worst in the next patch.
Instead, play what looks fun, and no matter what, you're having fun, right?
That's why at the end of the day, I don't care how strong they are, I want the rotation
to be so fun that I'm just having a good time even if they get nerfed.
Because, you know, we're not just gonna re-roll to whatever's the most OP.
That's never how I like to game at least.
Okay, um, so looks like we're already on the wall.
That's pretty cool.
Manolo says, I chose to sub you because I love your community.
I'm glad, Ben.
Robbie, thanks for the T1. Been enjoying the content. Keep it up. Thanks Robbie.
Wow, Forever might bring me back. Yeah, dude, it's looking good. It's looking very fun.
BlueberrySmells, thanks for the prom.
Well, you do stocks for the ring. It will be an Epic level 20 thing to do,
TBH, I don't think you can get the quest this low my trippin
What ups are we all know beta since they wanted can't believe see el bus has become a reality
You can't for all the coverage and war in the future
I have finally retired from retail and wow forever is my retirement home. Yeah same
I guess I think it's kind of what it's gonna be for a lot of us
the retirement home boys all right so basically if you can get that ring from
socks I'm so down to do that that sounds sick you can get seal of rent at level 20
huh you can get at 16 Wow that would be really top to try to do yeah maybe maybe
I'll level tailoring for a second here and then let's let's check that out I
I think that would be really fun.
So it was getting carried through it yesterday, I think? Okay, yeah, that sounds about right.
How are you?
You should stop being such a robot. Wow, non-asked for a skeptical GL. MK.
I don't know what that means.
Okay, let's get this and this.
Fine thread bolt of woolen cloth.
Faction banner.
Oh, cool.
Okay, so now we're just gonna get a ton of wool.
I so hyped for WoW, dude, same.
Same.
Yup, same. I want to play with zero addons as well. I completely agree.
What would you think about Blizzard adding choice talents from Retail as a way to expand
build options while preventing broken combos?
My P2 Retailified, it's hard to say.
I guess that would need more specifics on exactly how it would look.
Is my spellbook also classic?
Yeah, I'm using an add on that classify everything, but we'll see.
Let's see if I keep using it or not.
All right, um...
I, uh...
Might need some wool cloth.
We'll check the auction house here.
See if there's any wool cloth here.
You can get the guards to stay with you for the part of the quest in the Keep by Slashware.
And that's how you kill the 30 elite easily for see you
Little little birthday wool guys, I don't take handouts, but we do need some wool cloth here
Okay, oh they're actually not too expensive
Okay, it's actually like I got gold the body dude the new auction house is so nice
Are you kidding me, bro? The new auction house is amazing. Holy crap. It's so good. Oh, I love it
Late birthday presents are not handouts. Oh, Seraph with a late birthday present. Here we go
Good, thank you, bro. Oh, whoa, Dex smash with another birthday present happy birthday. Yeah, thanks, man
Let's just build up our tailoring and see what items we can get and then from there we'll
See what we can craft and then we'll do the maybe the seal a rent ring quest
You've seen this auction house before it's retail. Yes. Yes guys. I'm aware
Need silk donations to
We've got to that for it yet, but yes. Yes. We we might we might need that at some point, but
see what's going on first. When is the Dueling Event? It's not announced yet.
Spidersilk boots are insane. Yeah, we might try to try to lock those in a
dial it. Absolutely right. What is a frog familiar? It's just a little frog he that
follows me around. Oh, thanks, man. When is the council? We just finished up. If you
want to watch it, we'll put it on YouTube or you can check out the VOD too.
Guys, where is tailoring level 2 bro?
How's the family?
Good.
Does YouTube give traps?
Only Twitch.
So, tailors put Alliance Fanner on horde corpses?
That's sick.
Oh, I never actually read that.
Is that what that was?
Unroll some Fanner that allows you and other members of the Alliance sitting nearby to
gain spirit, exclusively with Divine Spirit.
No, this is like a campfire thing.
That's what I thought it was.
You have to go around the back for training.
Expert Taylor is around the corner.
I don't actually have leveled uh, I actually have leveled Tayloring before but it's been
a while.
I almost always do engineering, surprise surprise, or uh, alchemy.
You can switch to a class.
I'm using an add-on right now
Have I seen the new chief a not yet. I might check it out tomorrow
Yeah, sick
Mmm. Oh, thank you, bro
Follow up. My point is that we don't know the full battle mage story, so just want you
to be open-minded to maybe other hidden itemization that makes that playstyle viable. EA, gear set
that makes Blizzard O'Farming like Eir to item gate the box. Uh, sure. Yeah, I mean something
like that could happen. I think I'm just having conversations based on what we know.
I'm worried about the new content in forever.
They gave us HD slash SD toggle for char models, yet new item models are HD.
New Elf Zoner fighting 10 feet giants at level 8, meanwhile others are picking pumpkins
and fighting boars in Elwin Forest.
Thoughts?
I think that's a very...
CL plus hype.
I think it's a very fair criticism
New content being too HD and too modern. I think it's very very fair criticism. I I hope it
Feels like you're playing classic well with the new content. You know what I mean?
I just want to move my bag around.
Yeah, we'll need an add-on for that.
No. I don't think so.
That's not the case at all.
Peek Lunge?
Yeah.
Dude, we got the steak, rice, and soy sauce.
Mmm.
Mmm, mmm, mmm.
I am honored.
Oh, great.
We have to go by fine thread at the other vendor, huh?
I love your cookbook. Glad you like it, man.
Don't you miss Bay of Fire Bolt? Such good memories of watching you die out of no where
so much.
I don't know how much I miss it. Definitely killed me a lot of times.
Um, I mean, yeah, so like sod had way more buttons than, than forever, but I think that's kind of the point.
Sod went too far, right? This is dialing it back.
You have a cookbook? Yeah, I'll link it in the chat if you haven't seen it.
Is it better than Emberstone? Where do you even get that thing?
is it a wetlands quest i think?
you'll think that a lot of Cara Crips, i hope so, that was so fun.
Okay, um heavy woolen gloves.
Cool.
Just keep building these.
Just keep doing it.
Just keep doing it.
What are your thoughts on the potential Power Creek?
I'm a little concerned, but Blizzard has said they are keeping an eye on it, so like, hopefully they keep an eye on it.
But yeah, I'm a little concerned.
Check out Blade of Silverland, you have seen this dope.
Maybe it's just the new Wheelshare class. I will see, we'll see.
What? Thanks for the prompt.
Are you gonna disenchant these?
Um, I was just thinking what I should do with these.
I could go enchanting and DE them, or I could put them up all in the auction house.
Because these are actually pretty good gloves.
Although everyone is making them.
Probably.
Oh, you can't DE them anyway? Okay.
in the beta I received in game mail from a person I didn't know that contained 20 gold
I opened the mail thought to myself was sent by someone rich in error I never touched or
use the gold but I was permabanned the next day. Never open in-game mail from someone
you don't know and get banned. Huh. So you, you got banned because someone, someone sent
you build. I might try to enchant you, see if you can. I don't like it. Yeah, I
I definitely don't like it. There might be like a technical reason behind it or something like that, but
I'm not a huge fan, but maybe it's something I don't understand
Bum-bee-ba-bum
Wait, so you you can disenchant this
Wait, so everyone that was just spamming you can't was just wrong.
Goodness gracious.
I really need to fact check more often.
Okay, because there was, I mean there was, it was not one per, it was a lot of people
spamming that.
Okay.
So we'll just DE this, maybe I'll level Enchanting later, I'll keep all these mats.
In the meantime, we'll keep leveling Tailoring and see what we can build up.
I think going for Seal or Rin sounds really fun, but I also want to check out some other classes.
Yo, Vim, thanks for the tier 2 sub.
I actually am curious though how they're gonna police
gold buyers or sellers right like I think that guy is probably trolling but
the reality is like if you want to get someone banned you could like make an
account and mail someone 20 gold and they get banned is like that would that would actually suck like as a streamer people will send
Me gold all the time, right?
So like I wonder if we just get like banned every other day. It's like, oh whoops don't like, you know
I don't know. Well, hopefully they have a good way to figure that out
I kind of want to do, I mean I can do this one, but I don't know what to do with it.
I mean, I can do this real quick.
If we do a run of S of stocks, we're gonna get a crazy amount of wool, and we're gonna
do stocks anyways.
Maybe I hit up stocks.
What are the tailoring pieces you need?
Right now, just a ton of wool, and then it'll probably be a ton of silk after that.
Why is Blizzard attacking buyers and not sellers?
They're attacking both ends versus just one end.
How do you get your unit frames so classic?
Yeah, classic, wow forever, Adam.
Classic UI forever, rather.
in my discord if you want it. I'm new, how does enchanting work? You disenchant items
and the materials you get you can enchant your gear to make it stronger. Look at the
door, yeah I reported that bug yesterday. I'm gonna put a bunch of stuff in my bank
and see if we can do stocks let me know if you need someone for stocks yeah
let's do it you know if you guys want to send stocks let me know
send me a whisper I think hunters so like stockades the last boss is like 30
isn't it? Or like, like it's gonna be tough. Hunter is gonna be pretty darn good. Do we
need... I've done it before? I'm trying to think if we just do four. Four hunters. Like,
do you... can you actually tank this stuff? Or is it literally all hunters? I mean, it
at least one like two or three hunters you can if we can actually tank it then
like we can get a bear and then a healer and then two hunters and myself we
need a healer now
20 disc. Here we go. Okay. So we have a priest mage hunter hunter druid. I don't know. Hopefully
this will work. Hunters I think can carry really hard on high level content. So...
I like the idea of a pop-up that warns players of suspicious golden given the
option to accept and don't report so open mail has less likelihood of grief.
Yeah, that would be cool. I like that idea, too.
I like that idea a lot. If there's something that could get you banned, it's like,
Yo, it's a very cool idea.
Whoa, where do you get that ring?
Where do you get that from?
Malignant route.
That thing's sick, dude.
Wetlands.
It's just a quest because that's that's better than the ring we're gonna get from here
Although I could probably use both
Oh my gosh, this ring is insane too. Am I wasting my time doing socks? What the heck? Look at these ogres, man
Yes, you are. Well, we already have a groups. I think we sent it anyway
Dude, there's so many
So many insane items here
Okay, so we'll do the wetlands ring after
So, oh my gosh, I love the new auction house guys. Oh, it's so good. I'll just post it. Oh,
the best oh yep meh oh yep it's so nice oh oh my gosh yeah i'll just post everything instantly
no add-on no lag no nothing oh yes
i love that dude
How are you today? I'm doing really well, man.
Holy Glaser. Guys, look, I do glaze things that deserve to be glazed, okay? And I'll talk
crap about the things that deserve to be talked crap about, like the user interface, or like
the sky born models being HD or like
mage pv rotation design or like
man, I could keep going if we want no server ticks like there's there's things that are like
I think this is the quest right
is this the quest for the ring
kill face all threat and bring his head I think that's it
Hello, little gnome.
Remember Holt?
You're a really small minority on the server ticks.
Uh, I don't know if that's the case.
Like, I think I actually am in the minority, but I don't know if it's a very small minority.
I think it's like a large minority.
But I think it is a minority.
I don't think it's very, very small.
I think a lot of classic PvPers,
like if you ask Peo, BenRookie, Ziko, myself,
Snut, Seedoo, like anyone who's played classic PvP,
I think will like the server ticks,
like played a lot of classic PvP.
But if you just kind of play more casually or PvE,
I don't think you'll care or in fact you might even like the smooth ones
But like I think it's a lot of the people that've done a lot of classic PvP
That will will prefer the ticks because it changes how you play a lot
Even in PvE drink walking sadge true
Which is a very small minority true, I mean fair enough
I
And um, thanks for the run.
How about a talent that says something like after casting a frostfire arcane spell, your
next frostfire ball is Incident plus Double Damage.
I mean, that's basically brain freeze.
And yeah, I think brain freeze could be good.
Yo, what's good?
So PIC I mean hunters always do well in low level dungeons like that's what you guys have to keep in mind as well
We're all level 20 like
Single target level 20 cross mage is never gonna compete against like a level 20 hunter
But mage is have other things that hunters don't have like slows or AOE so
Like I think trying to compare everything one-to-one is such a modern game design philosophy
When classic just isn't that classic is like yeah, you might suck at this
But you'll be good at something else.
And that's okay.
That doesn't need fixing, you know?
So if you're gonna whine, at least whine about the right things.
Too late, I already re-rolled a Hunter. Oh, okay.
Double miss, triple miss, quadra miss.
You think arena is coming?
Probably not.
One damage is really too big.
Yeah, actually, you want to know the best spec for mage and PvE at level 20?
Right now it's wand spec, two out of two, and you fire blast and wand.
That's it.
Fire blast and wand.
I'm like not even trolling.
People have done like the min-max, like, like big math.
you actually just kind of like that's why I'm wanting so much it's like it's
actually insane all right so the hunter wants some water so I'm gonna just give
him some water
Can you show your talents now everyone?
What if arena didn't have raiding but it just gave honor?
Like that could maybe work.
But still like I would like it non-instance out in the world.
Have you looked into the recipes and red ridge for tailoring a little bit I want to look more though
That's why I'm leveling my tailoring right now. I'm at 98 tailoring now, so I'm trying to lock it in in tile
We're doing socks for some cloth and then for some gold and then for that ring and then we're gonna full send from there
Have I tried out dueling as an age not yet
Like I I'm right now farming gear because everyone has way better gear than me
So I'm trying to get some gear so I can world PvP and duel. I just hit 20 like yesterday
Haven't actually had the chance to send it yet
Are you gonna 40 stat quest to get ahead on the beta? No, no, I'm not gonna do that man. Absolutely not. I don't care enough
I want to like play and play the game
World first level 30 out of beta hype.
Wind is 30 drop next Thursday, so I have a lot of testing I want to do before that man.
I saw a Deadmines run earlier where the loot was hard-resed.
Okay, absolute crazy take here.
This might be the worst take I've ever had, but you have the capacity to not join the
group and that guy might want a specific item and he just wants to build a group with everyone
else who doesn't want that item.
What's wrong with that?
What's wrong with that?
Say you're a rogue and you want, I don't know, mage, you're a mage and you want Emberstone.
You just want a group with players that don't need it.
I don't see, why is that, I don't know why people are hating on that, I don't get it.
If you just take it for face value and say HR is cringe, maybe you're right, but when
you actually think about what people are doing, it's like you just want to build a group
with a bunch of people that need different loot than you.
I'm a streamer and I do that.
And if I wasn't a streamer, I would probably still do that.
Still the group with people that needs other items.
So if it drops, they're happy.
If you get your drop, you're happy.
Everyone's happy.
I don't know.
Thoughts on removing mages from the game?
Okay, yeah, now the haters have come out soda-popping.
Unbelievable.
Yeah, I had a two or three hour discussion
with Feneruki and Ziko, trying to figure out
what we can do to make the class more than one button.
And we actually did make some progress, I think.
I think we had some ideas that could work.
But yeah, if we all just got what Truits had soda,
I think we'd all be happy.
I actually used Truits as an example a few times.
It was like a class that got some love soda, okay?
You guys also got like a shadow step.
the heck's that about and you have reasons to cast more than one ability what's that about
sure he would
look here do i want from the dungeon uh i'm doing the ring quest which apparently there's
better rings so i might just be wasting my time but i'm also getting claw from here so that's okay
Arcane Firespec with Frostfire Bolt is right there.
Uh, yeah, I think that might be okay.
Pharrell will never be given a PvP, that Shadow Step is pointless.
I will see, we'll see.
I know some rogues are using that Pharrell Shadow Step as a reason that rogues should
get Shadow Step.
And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
I know Zika wants ice block baseline.
So to pop in, what do you think about ice block baseline on Mage?
That's what Zika wants.
Like, look, I love Mage, but I think that might be a little...
too strong.
Oh, that's such a good ring!
but we can't use it till 21. Guys, I'm gonna farm my level 30 pre-biss at level 20.
Hype. We lost the role to the healer. You know what? It's a beta. It's, you know,
it's, it's a beta. We're just gonna look the other way.
The Westfall staff gives you 16 Spelled Image, the Emberstone gives you 24, the Emberstone
also gives you Stamina, which is pretty good.
The only reason you want to use the Westfall staff is for the movement speed.
as a mage. As a mage. I guess they intellect, but stamina, you know. So it said yes, they
should be baseline ice block. Wait, really? Wait, am I the, am I the crate? Wait, do
you guys think mages should have baseline ice block? Because Ziko's whole thing is
like, if you're a mage and you want a PvP, you need it. So you basically have to play
frost. But there's actually more people saying yes than I thought. I personally think it might be
2 OP and I don't want mages to be OP. I want my class to be very, very good but not like...
I don't think it might be a little OP. I don't know. Because then if you have ice block baseline,
I mean it would, it would allow you to play Arcane Fire and PvP. It would. You could actually play
all three specs right now you can only play frost so if Ziko's right like you actually could play
other specs it's right now you you need ice block like you you really like in classic while you
can't really play without it that's a mage in pvp so Ziko's not wrong there
Give Rogue, Cloak of Shadows then?
Whoa, whoa, that's not a fair comparison.
It would more be like, give Rogue, uh, pre-med baseline or something, or like, what is one
of the Rogue talents, uh, Blade Flurry?
Like, give Rogue Blade Flurry baseline or something like that.
Or Prep, maybe Prep baseline would be a better analogy.
Yeah, Prep, Prep, or, yeah, Prep baseline would be a better analogy, I think.
I'm doing basal or full. I just need basal but up to you guys.
Give everyone an immunity. No, no, no, no. That's the quickest way to get to where we
we're at in retail. Dude, I keep hearing, oh, guys, I can't stand this argument. This
class got this, so we should get this too. It's like, guys, we're playing classic WoW.
Every class is different. What are we talking about? What are, like, this is what we're
trying to avoid. Goodness gracious. Like, that's literally what we're not trying to do. Every
class needs an immunity? What? The whole point is for classes to be different, exactly.
This dungeon actually isn't as hard as I thought it would be, we have a bunch of kick-a-chat
gamers in here.
Rogue shouldn't have Shadow Steps, Feral's having it doesn't mean anything, right right
right, some very very different conversations.
Let's just give every class an ice block.
Yeah, I mean that sounds good.
Did Eureka change overnight?
It's still 50% mana, 10% damage, the next three abilities seems the same to me.
to be honest rogues kind of need shadow step the kiting is insane and classic so I completely
disagree okay so I mean I can break down why I disagree if you if you guys care which
by the way rogue is one of my favorite classes to play if I make an ult rogue might be it
so like you can count me as more of a rogue player in that sense like rogue priests major
my favorite three those are the classes that you know I generally play those are the ones
I want to advocate for in a sense, but they don't need it at all.
So why do they not need it?
Right now in Era, Rogues are one of the best performing PvP classes.
I think most people could agree with that.
In 1v1s they're insane, in World PvP they're insane, in dual tournaments they always do
pretty darn well.
They might not be as good as Locke's, but they're really high up to the tier list.
Rogues, mage, and locks, and shadow priests are like very high on the list.
So they're cracked.
Now do they need mobility to compete in era?
Like clearly not really.
Like they have two sprints and they're running people down.
They're crushing it.
So what makes you think in this game where no other class in the game got more mobility
besides a druid, but once that's a separate conversation, everyone has like the same mobility.
So why would rogues then get more when no one else got more?
So then you might think, we'll give rogue shadow step, and then give mage as another
blink, and then give hunters a disengage, and then give warriors another charge, and
then give- NO!
Now we're in the same spot as retail!
You guys are missing the point!
Now we're just- NO!
NO!
NO!
NO!
NO!
Stop!
Stop!
Now you have mobility creep, the game speeds up, now we're playing modern wow.
Stop!
This conversation needs to be stopped right now rogues don't need shadow step and it's obvious. Are we all the same page now?
Like the thing is there's like legitimate
Conversations to be had and then there's just like some copium conversations of like like let's just not even waste our breath on it
You know what I mean?
I don't get why Truids needed it.
I think that's actually a fair take.
I actually don't think Truids really needed it either.
I'd be curious if Soda Poppin could defend Truids getting Shadow Steps because I actually
agree with that. Truits already have a lot of mobility, and that doesn't seem like they need it,
so I actually agree with that. I don't think Truits need more mobility, personally, but
he said it sucks and is pointless. Yeah, okay.
So maybe it could be gone.
100% Truits didn't need Kitty Step. Yeah, like that is a more relevant conversation, I think.
Are you gonna play a warrior? Yeah, I think so.
It's funny how Truits and Pali's got the most love? I don't think that's true. What
class has got the most love? It's probably Hunter and Pali.
You guys agree with that Hunter and Pali?
Locke, people thinking maybe Locke, maybe Shaman.
Hunter Pali Locke, Shaman.
What got the least love?
Rogue, Mage, Sherwood?
I feel like Sherwood didn't get that much love, to be honest.
Like Rogue, Mage, and Sherwood, I think, got the least.
Warrior, maybe, too?
Yeah, Warrior, maybe, too.
The thing about rogue mage and warrior is they were already in a really good spot.
Like it's hard to compare.
Like rogues, mages and warriors were three of the classes that were like in a solid spot.
You know they really were.
So it's like, like I, like people complaining about warrior, like I kind of get it, but it's
like bro what do you want?
Your class is sick.
Like I can't wait to play a warrior just as an era warrior.
Like you can't just go overboard because then you have to match it with everything else.
You know?
Warriors are sick.
I'm excited to play a warrior just because Arrow Warriors cool.
My big concern with Warrior is that no World Buff Warrior might feel a bit bland.
So since Warriors have no World Buffs you might need to add a bit of stats somewhere
potentially maybe, I don't know.
That's a bridge we'll cross when we get there, but like that's my big concern
Have you watched the battle mage build video? Yeah, I've seen it. It's hilarious man
How are you gonna decide your main um what I'll most likely do is start with mage
And if I don't like it I'll make a warrior or a Pali or a rogue or a priest and
Kind of go from there. Realistically, I'll have ults.
Realistically, I will for sure just have a mage because I just always like mages.
Like, I just play mages, so it would take a lot for me to, like, just not play my mage,
but I'll probably make a mage and a warrior. And then if I want, I'll make a palli. If I want,
make another ult. Cloak for Rogue would be nice. Guys, this is 100% rage bait. There's no way we're
We're back on Cloak for Rogue.
What the heck?
Oh, oh, oh!
Okay, so since these are healing bracers,
I'll go ahead and pass on them.
But Tsar, they also do damage!
Okay.
Ah, okay, Saddy, thank you.
TYVM, Saddy.
TYVM. I think he realized his sin with the ring, but it took him a while.
Did they kill 2H Warrior with rage normalization? I actually don't know about that. I'd be curious to see.
I just think...
I just think warrior in general is just really cool man like you have bloodthirst whirlwind execute
Sunder armor, which you could could or could not use if you don't want to use it
um like you actually have uh
Herro, uh, what's it called a hamstring spam if you want to try to get
Uh whirlwind procs you have heroic strike rage dump like you actually have just like button suppress. It's so fun
The council's over yeah, what a royalty 95 months. Thanks, brother
Do I see sodas gear sodas that your alt account yep, yes soda your gear is really good man
button button skill are you disappear rage baiter I think you are
Miss. Okay, sheep. Ah, crap. Nova. Sheep. Sheep. Okay, fine. I'll sheep the other one. Sheep.
Sheep. Sheep. I got this guys, don't worry. Sheep. Don't worry guys, I got this. Sheep.
Don't worry guys, I got this. Sheep. Don't worry guys, I got this. Sheep got it. It broke.
Guys, guys, what are we doing? I'll, I'll sheep again. Don't worry. Sheep got it.
Oh! What are these? Who's loading, man? Leather? Wow, that would be really good for soda popping.
over-corrupts.
Zaddy, don't die!
Sheep, got it, got you, bro.
Hey, what's up? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
Zaddy, I'll save you. Sheep.
Got you.
I'm gonna babysit the Zaddy.
You are not dying today, Zaddy.
Is your cookbook just eggs, rice, beef, and rice?
Not just those things, okay?
Pinball, thanks Lebrun.
One more thing that Dev needs to know is we need to be able to see Nighttime more.
Night is only six hours.
I actually disagree.
The reason I disagree is because I like
having really cool things be somewhat rare.
If night happened more often, it wouldn't feel so cool.
If rain happened more often, it wouldn't feel so cool.
I like the idea that it's nighttime and you see nighttime.
The 24 hour cycle was one of those decisions
that the early devs went with
and they pushed back against the three hour day cycle
or six hour day night cycle like a lot of other games do
and they went with a 24 hour one.
There are downsides, like a player like me,
I play during the days, I don't see nine as much,
but it's so cool when like it's getting late
and then it gets late in the game, like it's awesome.
So I disagree.
I see what you're trying to say, but like I don't think so.
Okay, so Basal Thread is gonna go dumbwild.
Don't touch day night cycle, yeah, I think it's cool.
I watched a video on it like six months ago
and it was one of the design decisions
they didn't know what they were going to do early on back in like 2002 and I think
Jeff Kaplan was the one that really pushed for 24 hour even though a lot of
the other people didn't want it or was it
I don't know if it was Kaplan or actually someone else but yeah it was it was a
pig decision and I like it.
Ah, crap.
We don't want to pull Basil. He's like right there guys care
We're pulling on my oh my gosh care. He's like right there
So I think group duels can work yeah group duels out in the world would be a no-brainer in my opinion new world had those those were sick
group duels
Your wand is shift G yeah
I actually have really weird keybinds.
I uh, gave all my keybinds to Blizzard so they could set it up on like the Blizzcon stages.
And uh, apparently whoever set up my keybinds was setting them all up and they're like,
What the heck are these? These are awful!
But uh,
I'm used to them man, so if it works it works.
There's a chest.
Yo, I'm gonna loot this for the Swad one sec.
that. Wanda's shift G for me too. Shift G rides up on the wand, baby. Yo, green's rolling
out of chest, massive W. I love that. No more ninjas. Joby, thanks for the problem.
Wanda on T is Biss, Shibji, I mean it's just, I mean it's been working for me man.
Zara no rage bait, have you played at night time yet?
I actually have not.
Well, kinda last night I've watched the sun go down, but I was, I got up like six, it
was like not that late how was the birthday dinner dude it was good got some
steaks and I mean that's my that's my favorite thing we got some birthday cake
some steaks oh dude it was so cute we're going dad mode for a second guys sorry if
you know, play, that's what it is.
It was actually really cute.
Kai sung me happy birthday.
It was the first time he's old enough to sing happy birthday.
And it was, oh, I mean it melted my heart, guys.
He sung me happy birthday. It was so cute, man.
Max cute.
And he helped me blow out the candles too.
Oh my gosh, it was really cool.
He's like, he turns three in November.
So, two and what is that?
Wow, it's actually coming up.
Yeah, almost three, man, almost three.
But uh, but yeah.
Yeah, it'll be a U2 bid, it was great, man.
So a cake was spit on it.
He might have spit a little bit, but it's okay, man.
It was so cute, dude.
It was great.
Oh crap, okay I'm gonna try to sheep this guy.
Okay this is gonna be iffy here.
I can't really hit anything, I just spam sheep I think.
It's gonna break to the dot.
Try to get rank 1 frost bolts here, sheep here, wand here.
This is going to break on from Harpy, so I'll re-sheep early.
The Hunter's getting drilled.
The re-sheep goes out.
Stammering fun Frostbolts on this guy for the slows.
Okay, we'll link this down.
We'll send a NOPA.
Oh wow, that actually lands.
We'll get a re-sheep on this guy, re-sheep again.
Got it.
Our healer's dead.
We get a slow here.
Oh no.
Oh no...
Sheep is... if this misses, I'm dead. Miss. Okay, got it.
Get it slow here. Get a re-sheep probably casting early. Got it. Re-slow. Send a wand.
Probably just start sending re-sheeps pretty early here.
Miss.
Re-sheep again. Nice. Send a wand. Good.
Good, good, good.
We got the B res two on the breeze. Oh my gosh, my squadron is locked in and dialed here. Are you kidding me?
That's what we're talking about team
Okay, we're chill we're chill we're chill guys we got the head of basil nice
Nice nice nice nice socks is done. So wait. Where's his head? Where's his head?
Wait, isn't his body- where's his body?
Did it- did it disappear?
No, no!
No!
Oh, it's somewhere.
Where is it?
Oh, it's right here.
Okay, I thought it was gone.
Got the head.
Ah, healing cloak.
Okay, yeah, we'll pass on that.
Got it.
We're good.
Okay, now we turn in the stockade riots. There'll be a bunch of follow-ups for the ring now.
You guys want to send ring quest together?
Um
Oh, we got respawns guys respawns
Oh silk. Oh, yeah, if you guys don't need the silk or that wall, let me know
I said we just run out let's run it out
I'll take aggro on the mage.
We're running out guys, we're running out.
All out, all out, all out.
All behind me.
Alright, let's move.
Christian makes the 5M.
What if it had a one minute duration so that you get to stack it while leveling while also opening up for a PvP spec similar to Paladin Reckoning?
Also doesn't really buff it for anything.
I don't really like just extending the duration. I'd rather give guaranteed procs on the like Fire Blaster or something personally.
I have thought of that though.
Okay, so let's go turn this question in Stormwind.
Oh silk cloth, linen cloth, wool cloth, okay.
I mean, yeah guys, if you don't need your cloth, I will definitely put it to some good
use.
These are not handouts, they're belated birthday gifts.
Now it's time for the hard part, finishing the quest in the castle.
I think we could lock it in tile and full send.
Do we go crazy for a ZaruPVP tier list prediction chat?
I am not going to stoop to that level.
Absolutely not.
Making a tier list for a beta where everything is going to change in a week has got to be
the big nope, nope, not falling for that.
Not doing it.
Absolutely not.
No.
What's your opinion on blue drops on 13 dungeons?
I think they should be greens.
I think blues should be reserved for a little higher, but it's not a big deal.
So we just keep spam turning, it's a bunch of quests, and we have to kill the dudes with
with the apples and the silk cloth.
Make a tier list of people's tier lists.
Guys, if you see any tier lists on the internet right now,
they're all F tier,
because everything is gonna change in the next patch.
That's gracious.
Where's your gold, bro?
I'm still working on it, you know?
So I think the Nome Ratio will be nerfed.
It probably will be.
You have to buy forever when it comes out.
You can play it with a sub.
You can literally play with just a sub.
The only thing you have to buy is if you want to play the new race, you can buy that.
But if you don't care about the new race, it's just a sub, which is actually mind blowing.
I thought for sure they put a 59.99 on it.
Time for a giveaway.
Uh, I mean, are you guys ready for another giveaway?
Like, we could.
Could do another one.
Well met.
Well met.
Give me a sec here.
Where is my, where's my tab?
Where's my tab?
Did I close my tab? I must have closed it.
Ah!
Forever Hype 11.
Good luck, have fun. Forever Hype 11 in the chat for the giveaway.
I'm giving it a few minutes for people joining in. Forever Hype 11 is a beta key.
If you win, you get a beta key. It means you can play the beta with me, with a key.
Alright.
Should be lit.
Okay, so after this we're gonna wetlands me at that ring. That's what we're definitely gonna do
We're gonna get this ring go to wetlands get the other ring and then full send from there
We actually want to turn this into deliver this to Red Ridge. Oh my goodness gracious
And he did it
Man, this game is so good.
I'm so laggy.
I hope they fix the lag pre-launch.
I think they will.
I have faith.
I have faith.
I have faith.
I think they can fix it.
After we get another piece or two or three of gear, they might be dead.
time for some world PvP fun. Speak to Tyrion in the castle. Okay, I could do that.
All right, we'll wait till this gets to 2,000 users again for the giveaway. You just have to
type foreverhype11 in the chat. You only have to type a one, so you don't need to spam.
And then we'll pick a winner and then uh go from there. Oh what up Jack? Oh
Wow Jack your gear okay your gear is actually disgusting
Okay, we're gonna get that root ring right now and seal her in
People have just the juicy as juice man
What?
Brawlers leather hood bro helmet is insane. You're stacked
How much gold did that guy just give you I don't know what you're talking about
But yeah, since I've been farming built today guys were up to seven gold now
So we will be able to power level professions coming up real soon
power leveling props tailoring
Crafting the best slot items hopefully
That's because we if you're just tuning in we've been farming gold today, man. That's what we've been doing mainly
Guys look I'm not the one to take handouts, you know me, but I have to beta test. This is purely for testing purposes only
Goodness gracious people think I would actually accept gold. No
No, no, I am a beta tester.
And in order to test the game, I need to play the game.
So we have to level up our professions to test properly.
Thank you for the gold.
Interesting.
Interesting.
Bring three silk cloth and two fresh apples.
Let's go get them apples.
Alright, we're gonna roll it in like probably a minute here.
Once there's 2000 users guys, just if you're just tuning in just forever hype 11 in the
chat, I'm gonna roll it.
It's a beta key.
If you win, you just have to prove you're not a bot because I don't want a bot to win
it.
So it has to be a real human being.
No beatboops.
Okay.
Looks like we're going to roll here in like 10 seconds.
Oh, I guess I should say on YouTube, this is a Twitch only giveaway and no, it's not
because I hate you guys.
It's because on YouTube, there's no way to message the winner.
So if you're on YouTube, you have to tab over to Twitch to join the giveaway.
I'm sorry.
Oh my gosh.
We're in the water now, guys.
Man, I'm laggy, I don't have to re-log in a sec.
Alright, we'll give YouTubers like 30 seconds to tab over.
Yeah, there's a lot of YouTubers coming in right now, I think.
Sorry, YouTubers, that's literally why.
If I could message you on YouTube, if YouTube added an option to click on your name and
click whisper or message or direct message or whatever, I would do that.
It doesn't exist.
It's why it's like just too annoying
And I do love you guys on YouTube
All right more than five. Good luck for three. Good luck to good luck one
Following how long how long have you been following for Sebastian?
Followed five minutes ago. Okay, Sebastian
Congratulations Sebastian. Can you can you prove that you're a human?
yo yo yo yo I mean I don't think a bot would say that but maybe a bot would
maybe a YouTube viewer yeah yo Sebastian I've been following every day
forgot to follow though so you weren't following every day greetings from
Sweden okay you know what that's that's that seems legit to me Sebastian check
your DMs brother grassland on the beta key enjoy the beta it's a lot of fun
I'll send you over at DM right now
momentarily in a second and
Boom
cheesy
Seems legit to me
We'll do some more giveaways later if you guys didn't win don't worry. There'll be more chances to win
in a bit
invalid target
whoo whoo
that should have asked him how many rank one titles you have I mean what if he
just can't count that high all right let's go turn that quest in and get the
ring we'll go to wetlands and get that ring and then we'll go check out some
pvp or something or maybe do some more crafting how come you're stealing our
No, I wasn't stealing, I was just checking.
Oh that's a good idea to prevent bots.
I could ask a question like what key bind do I have my fireball key to could have bought to take that
probably
What could have bought like actually not detect?
I don't even know man like anything that that someone could see on the screen
Hold up your fingers. Yeah, that's what I usually do. I'll be like how many fingers am I holding up
but then people like seem to get confused by that one. Maybe they're bots.
The bot could message the human that they won. Yeah, true.
that. Ask which clip of yours appeared at BlizzCon. It's not
of
Okay, 1v1 me if you think mages are on top I don't think that actually haven't done
any 1v1s yet at all.
Haven't done like a single duel.
I like I don't even have like gear or anything yet.
I feel like I'm just gonna get one shot by any anyone.
I'm all like that. Thanks to the Prime.
Chrysler thanks to the Prime.
Just thanks to the Prime.
Sir, thanks to the Prime.
Ogre thanks to the Prime.
Gigi thanks to the Prime.
Guys, if I missed your Prime,
thank you for the Prime's.
Our job's on, yeah.
Did I miss the giveaway?
Yes, we just sent one.
We'll do more though.
Why does it look laggy?
Cause it's laggy.
I'll re-log in the meantime.
You gonna level any other classes?
I'm going to have a warrior, Pali, Rogue, McCree,
so I think five and a time.
Favorite thing from Wow Forever so far, the fog
and the lighting, like how the game looks,
like it looks so good.
Yeah, I just can't believe I could get the game looks.
Thanks for the giveaway yesterday, so you thought I was a boss.
Oh, yo, Brock on, guys.
Chi Chi.
Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun.
When you just make early dungeon quest items green or actually change their stats, I would probably nerf the stats by a little bit and make them green.
Like make them green equivalents. Like, like just, I like new dungeons and I like new items, but I think level 13 is like too early to get blues.
I think seeing a level like 18 and like almost full blues, you know, if you're a twink, that's fine.
That's fine, but if you just ran a couple dungeons and you have like that many blues that early
I think it puts it's it's a little too like
Devaluing the rarity of blues having said that like you know, it's not that big of a deal to me
It's not it's not game breaking, but like if it was my preference. Yeah, I would rather see ruins of Lordaeron mainly drop greens
Just like RFC used to
doesn't doesn't need to be that early on blues, I think RFC drops blues in
classic but it's like mainly creams what are blue drops in RFC in classic I'm
trying to think I'm trying to think of like which one
Nothing, it doesn't.
Fellblade is Fellblade blue or green?
Actually, hold on, let's just see.
RFC, wowhead, classic era.
Just go to the loot table right now.
Classic era.
First boss drops only greens.
flint, drops only greens, sure gosh, drops only greens, bozzling, drops only greens.
Yeah, I think like greens for the 13-ish dungeons are like fine, but you know it is what it is.
and
Thanks for the T1 sub.
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Nice.
Thank you bro.
H town with down.
Thanks for the T1.
Do you want a duel?
Nah.
Nah.
Nah.
Nah.
Nah.
I don't have any gear compared to like most people that have been playing nonstop.
I actually went outside this weekend.
Crazy enough.
So.
you did a great job spy bot glad to have you back with me and we just start this
thing remaining the garden to Lord Gregor and let's get far and Mars on the
silent blade have had their conversation afterwards kill them both before
turning the Elling Tree us in Stormwind yeah I mean I could do that
Yeah, it hurt. It was a crazy experience. Yeah. You're going to farm 20 books like
Peo did. I might. I also might just make some alts. I'm trying to think if I want to like
I want to get good gear on my mage so I can actually test it. But then I do want to make
a bunch of alts too and just level them and do the dungeons more and like feel
how other classes are feeling you know so I really like as much as I want to
gear this guy more I also want to just start leveling a bunch of alts
I'm gonna I'm gonna give this character like another day or two I think and then
do some PV like get some gear do some PvP and then hit some alts
What rules that PVP if I do a undead though I'll have to be a PvE rule set since you can't have them on the same account
Spell power needed to match classic base damage
This is really interesting. So at level 60, as a mage, if you have 74 spell damage, your
frostbolt will hit the same as a naked classic era mage. So basically they're giving you
a lot more power in your gear, but you need a lot more gear to get to where you were.
The gear should just feel like it's more meaningful now, I guess.
Shaman's need 715 spell power on their chain lightning to make it equivalent to a naked
chain lightning?
Is that right?
What?
Huh?
That can't be right.
I say your cries for magebugs but, respectfully, you have no idea what's planned.
You talk about this game not being comp yet you want mage more to be compass for flavour we go the scroll stuff, there's people finding battle mage gear.
Let's wait till the game comes out.
I literally don't know what you mean by that. I don't think that comment makes any sense in any context of the last week.
Thanks for the sub, though.
Skitso Dono?
Yeah.
Van Cleef, pay big for your head.
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I haven't even hit them yet.
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How do you feel about Warrior Rage being normalized? Like, no extra rage on crits?
I haven't played Warrior yet.
I want to see how it feels.
I'll turn the question back on Warriors out there.
If you play Warrior, you made a Warrior.
How do you feel?
I haven't played with Warrior too much.
I actually did a little on the demo, but not much.
It feels horrible, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad.
When you guys say rage normalization,
are you talking about no server ticks
or are you talking about just crit generation
being the same as non-crit generation?
Is there something else here?
No rage from being hit?
Wait, you don't get rage from being hit?
What?
One guide?
Yeah, I would assume you would get Rage for being hit, I mean that would be nuts if that's
not the case.
It's just less now.
Huh.
This is one of the reasons I want to try a Warrior.
Keep in mind, Warriors, I've done a lot of level 1-20 Warrior leveling in hardcore a
lot.
Uh, anyway, I've a lot of experience in the 1-20 Warrior category, I don't say that
much.
And it is pretty slow.
Warriors don't feel good in World of Warcraft to like 40 when you get like
whirlwind
Mortal strikes sweeping strikes. You're online
Um, and then for fury fury is not really like super cool until 60 really you're like 50 something
like
right, so
Keep that in mind right warriors have never really been like super insane early
Low warrior is very slow
protection spec feels the best at the moment do you guys know I think I asked
you this before but you guys know if protection is gonna use a shield or if
warriors are still gonna tank is like fury prod because like part of me hopes
Fury Prott is like still out of the shield.
Am I, am I, am I the only one that like really thinks
Fury Prott is awesome?
Fury Prott is dead, really?
I think Fury Prott is such a cool thing, but maybe,
maybe that's just cause like, I've never done it actually.
I've only played TPS Warrior, but every time I see
a Fury Prott tank, I'm like, oh my gosh, that looks so fun.
And I want to do that.
So I'm a little sad that's not a thing.
By the way, thank you all for the primes from two minutes ago.
That was a lot of primes.
That was a lot.
I mean, that was a massive amount of Prime subs, so thank you guys.
That was, that was insane.
You've got mail.
Okay.
Any reason you're not leveling in Druid?
Uh, it's just not one of the classes I really like as much.
I don't know.
Like, I, I, I like Rogue Mage Priest, Pali Warrior, like the most.
That's pretty much it.
Guys!
seal a ring lock it and piled at level 20
Shout out to my group for the big carry. We got stanky and tilari of the hunters mixos and zatti the tank and healer massive. She she's
Tyvm there's no way we're ever soloing that one at level 20 ever
okay
I think we go to wetlands
Because apparently there's a good weapon maybe another could ring some good quests out there or something
So I'm gonna fly up to the wetlands
Guys everything in the beta gets wiped okay all the progress you're making now gets reset just for people
That didn't know that so now we do
What about tailoring yeah, we're full setting tailoring as well
Actually, I could level tailoring a bit more before leaving the city
What's the highest you can get tailoring right now like what are you guys leveling it to just a 150 or you going higher?
You guys are up at 225 Wow
You only need 125 for the items though, okay
Does my retail progress to forever? No, no, no it does not. Someone surprised that warriors
don't feel good at level 20 without gear? Yeah, that's why like, what I'm, man, I feel
like I've said this so many times in the last week, but like, I just have to keep saying
it because people just like keep are continuing to be confused I'll say okay
I'll say I'll say it again right now the thing that you shouldn't be looking at
is how OP is my class at level 20 there's so many reasons why it doesn't
matter one your level 20 to there's buffs and nerves coming out next week right
like it's just it just is the wrong thing to look at the important conversation right now I think is
reading your talents trying to understand what your class is going to look at
look like when you get higher level and is this going to be a fun class to play even if things
get buffed and nerfed damage wise is it going to be a fun rotation to press is it going
to be is it going to be exciting for players to play in dungeons in PvP in solo play and
an end game is my class designed well that is the big question to think about the answer
is no then brainstorming what could be done here to make it more fun and if the answer
is yes then congratulations you're probably a paladin um but that's really that's really what we
focus on yeah that's that's probably accurate yeah that's what i was thinking too
So people are linking this silky circlet for tailoring level 100 that gives you 11 frost
fell damage on the head.
That's what I want.
So I need two more tailoring levels, which means I need 10 bolts of silk, silk and thread,
cerulean dyes, spider silk, silver bars and crater lasher lessons.
And two more tailoring levels.
Yeah.
Let's lock this in and dial it.
the small details right now. Let's get tailoring up, which means looking for something specific.
Yeah, in fact, I am some fine thread here. Let's get two more levels. Silicon astral essence
are very expensive. We're gonna have to farm a lot of gold. Guys, we're gonna have to,
Did they fix FPS issues? Not yet. I hope so.
Mord, thanks for the Prime. Can you confirm they will make any rotation skill changes? Many pharaohs are unhappy, and they're dooming.
I can confirm this is a project where you can expect changes.
Expect hotfixes, expect buffs to certain spells, nerfs to others, that is literally what this project is for.
This is nothing is set in stone. Well, I mean there's something set in stone, right?
But like pretty much everything could change.
That's what this is. So your voice matters. Like talking about it is a big deal. Absolutely.
Okay, we're one hundo, baby.
Both of silkcloth, okay, so let's get a bunch of silkcloth.
And then we want, I mean, even that's better than mine, funny enough.
Spider silk boots are also pretty cracked, guys.
I need some spider silks, some spider silks, some silky sirklifts, full sends.
We have nobody representing Ferrells.
Talk to Soda Popping.
He's a druid.
Sean, thanks for the prim, C.V.A.L, thanks for the prim.
At Zahe, you black market auction shouldn't be in the game.
The players should farm their own special items and not be able to buy it.
Wait, is the black market in the game?
I didn't, that would be news to me.
It is? Wait what's on the black mark? Wait how it what? Wait how did I not hear about
this? It's in riverglades? What's it have in it? It has tabard a frost? Wait what? Oh
I don't, I don't like that. I haven't been to riverglades yet. Guys I literally, there's
So much stuff I want to do.
Bro, that's, I don't think that's good.
Crap, so cloth is expensive, guys.
I need 12 volts.
Four, 36.
Five gold.
Okay, wait, I do my math wrong. Oh, it's 48. Why did I do 36? Someone in the chat probably
did the math wrong. That was your guys' fault. That's on you. All right, do this. Wait, where's
Where's this from?
Billagreed silky gun.
Dude, we need crazy amounts of silk.
This is bind on pickup.
Dude, we need crazy silk, bro.
Oh, he got this from a Deadmines drop?
Oh, he got this off a Deadmines drop.
Has anyone else got this silky gown from the Deadmines?
I might have to full send a couple DMs, couple VCs rather sorry.
Medium leather pearls and spider slugs.
Pattern from Deadmines, I got one in Deadmines too.
Oh bro.
We're we're um we're out of money
Just wanted to say again
Blizzard, please make warlock tank or melee DPS spec love you. Happy late bday at saw you melee DPS or warlock tank
Look, I respect you
But that's this is not the game for that
It is not the game for that
You want to do that? That's like private server stuff. That's like season of discovery. That is not this
Once you add lock tank mage heal a road tank people fly and zipping around this and that portals
But but but but it's like dude. This is not that game. This is classic plus, right?
I respect the opinion, but it's like we cannot...
Oof.
Um, what am I doing?
What am I doing?
Think, think, think, think, think.
Okay, we're trying to make spider silk boot and thingy.
Guys, what's the best silk farm?
We need silk, we need pearls.
What are we doing here?
Dead mines, we can do dead mines.
Dead mines gives us cloth and it gives us the chest.
And we have a chance at another good ring.
And maybe a chance at some, like a decent chest.
That's good for spider silk.
I actually bought the spider silk.
Dead mines has wool though.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Okay, yo, thank you very much.
I'm gonna definitely put this too good,
gold to good use here, guys.
Um, we're gonna put it to very good use and instantly buy these, Pearl.
The new auction house is very nice.
Streamer advantage, guys, I'm literally beta testing.
You guys really think I would do this on a live realm?
about it.
Can you talk about rage normalization? People saying warrior feels bad and you're saying
you can't tell this early, but with that change you are not going to get more rage with more
gear. The more damage you do or how high you creep.
So I actually like haven't played a warrior yet.
I don't know exactly too much about this conversation.
So I don't want to speak about something I don't know about.
As far as what people are telling me is you get way less rage
when you're being hit and you don't get more rage
when you crit.
If you do all the like level 10 explorers,
you take the one who goes to the cheese store
quests in SW.
If and Darn you unlock a key to the door upstairs
in the SW cheese store for a secret room
in the room to reach cheese.
That sounds so cool.
I want to do that.
But we have a massive to-do list.
I don't know if I can do that today.
Guys, spider silks.
Boom, baby.
Made by Zaru Prime.
Yes, yes.
Yes, yes.
Okay, that's good.
Next up.
Next up.
We want the helmet.
The helmet, I need 10 bullets of silk cloth.
And a bunch of other stuff.
Crap, can someone link me to the helmet recipe?
I had it but now I lost it.
So, Mac, thanks for the prime. Milanade, thanks for the prime.
Yeah, you know, he had a silk cloth situation. It's definitely up there. It's tough.
seems like your love for classic has gone up. Can you elaborate on that? Are you talking
about like classic forever? There's a lot that they've done right in terms of the big
picture stuff, but I'm still upset about other things like the UI stuff. Like there's things
I like and don't like. Well, Rosalyn with the 1G50 Silver, thank you very much. Thank you, thank you.
We need one more bolt of silk cloth, then we can make the helmet. There's other mats as well.
Oh, someone like this. Great, this is what I was looking at. Actually, is that the same mats? I
I think it is the same that's I think that might be the same that's
the remorse of cloth.
That's not the same, though.
They're different mats.
They are not. OK.
I don't know if any tailor has it.
I'm going to go to Red Ridge anyway in a second here to get the pattern.
Savory whimsy fin legend.
Oh, someone linked this. This is what I want to build here. Thank you, bro.
Silk in thread, cerulean dyes, spider silk, silver bar, greater astral.
So I have all of the silk cloth.
Greater astrals.
Got those.
Spider silk.
got those silver bar I love new auction house so much bro and cerulean tie can
you buy that from a vendor fermented by alchemists is this what they call
streamer privilege? No. No, absolutely not. This is hard to explain. It's very different though.
So we just need to die.
This is bit, yeah, beta testing, yep, beta testing.
Where do you get the recipe?
I'll show you in a sec.
I believe it's in Red Ridge from the vendor, from the Waylade crates.
How did the Mage Council stuff go today?
It was good.
You know, we just had conversations about, about Mage, man.
Hey there.
Hey there.
Wait, what?
Oh, legend.
Oh, legend.
Cool.
Thank you very much, guys.
Okay.
What did I need?
Cerulean.
and die. Then we'll go and make the helmet. Then we'll go to wetlands and maybe get the
weapon and the ring. And then maybe it's time for some PvP testing after that.
Can we raid Nohmer for silk?
That might be legit.
Don't you need four dyes?
I thought it was one.
Is it actually four?
Let me go back to my- oh, can I get the whisper again?
I reloaded my UI.
I thought it was one, no?
Oh my gosh, it's four, bro.
Dude, you guys are right. Thanks, guys.
We're home again.
And then we want to silk and threads before we leave to Red Ridge.
OK.
And then I'll still need new bracers, chest, and cloak.
Okay.
Hello.
Is it silk and thread or heavy silk and let's see silk and thread
All right
And we're off actually I'm gonna check the vendor here to you
Are you gonna play in the dual tourney I'll have more information to share with you soon
It's new a lot sounds like a PR response. I don't know what you're talking about. Oh
lesser wizards robes. Those are a big upgrade. We do need some more gold to craft them though.
Oh, no, it's level 22. Never mind
Okay, I
Was gonna say we might have to farm more gold to check those out
These are 21 as well
Okay
So I think deadlines to try to go for that
Blue chest recipe at the same time we could maybe get other random drops. Maybe I mean, I've only done deadlines once
farm guys we can farm gold on stream I don't know I don't know why you guys are
giving me crap for this like you you guys you know maybe there's some new
viewers in here that don't know what's going on but I am an honest Abe with my
gold farming okay I am not like the others okay guys I don't do stuff like
that's okay it's just so happens on a beta we're testing things and it's
different
and I am not taking any other questions at this time I refuse to comment past
that. Top three changes on mage all three might well I guess one is Kona cold being an eight
second slow instead of six like put it back down was blizzard change I guess stays that's fine I
guess I get it. Conic cold change, hot streak probably should be instant cast, so hot streak
change, conical change, and then fire blast giving charges or winners chill giving you
Incentivization to cast something else
Yeah, thanks for the Prime brother as a fellow dad and gamer should I start my 9 and 11 year old and wow
That that's a tough choice that that gets in the into your
In your wife on how you want to raise your kids if you want my opinion
I would say that's a probably little too young. I actually started wow at
12 and I started runescape at like 10
So I'm not the one to talk, but I think that was probably little on the young age personally
But I turned out alright right guys
So
That's not the point the point is it's your decision because it's your kids and you got to talk to your wife about that one
Okay, personally, I think it's a little young
Okay, um, let's, oh yeah, let's flip around this way.
Yeah.
Shipping label, let's move.
So we're going to make a helmet here and then we're going to, uh, wetlands and get a ring
and then we're going to go back to the deadlines and hopefully we get a blue chest to craft
And then from there, we'll have enough gear to kill some horde hopefully or something
Wait what helm I'll show you right here. So this is what we've been far if you guys are just tuning in we've been farming all day to
Level up our tailoring so that we can work towards a new helmet
Love your energy.
And this is actually really cool.
This is the three corners and it's like a it's like a trade district where all of the like caravans meet.
And it's like you can buy a bunch of like recipes, alchemist, blacksmith, engineering,
but there's a leatherworking and a tailor vendor here.
And the tailor vendor has things.
Actually, hold on.
The currency is from this guy here, Marcy, inventory intake.
And then you turn in this quest and boom you get 50 of these on your first turn in and then sealed crates
You get five every turn in after that and you get these from just like leveling
out in the world and
Yeah, it's pretty rad pretty cool. And then this guy
They're like those are the way laid crate items and then this guy sells recipes that you can get which are pretty legitimate
so
Yeah, uh-huh. Yeah, the best thing that I can get is that helmet
Where is it?
This
So a 10 stamina and 11 frost damage on a head is like dumb, right? Like that's just
Crazy crack. That's what we've been farming and working hard towards so we will
Buy that for 30 of them. I actually have enough to get another. Wow. I didn't even realize
We might need to farm more masts then.
So now we got that.
Silky Circlip.
Boom, baby.
Very, very good tailoring item added to the game.
What's the currency?
It's from waylaid crates from leveling.
So boom.
Now we send up the silky.
The silky circle.
Crafted by Zaru Prime and the spider silkies.
So now we're going dumb, right?
I do actually have 30 more of the currency.
Ooh, that's good.
Not all of them now.
Yeah, Arcane Fire.
Yeah, I've seen that.
It's in the sub only channel also. Thanks for all the YouTube videos. You are my favorite wow streamer
People are saying save for level 30. Yeah, so this is so like I can get a waste which is better
But you guys are really thinking I should save it, huh I can get hands that are better than my hands too guys
My hands are already good and my belts are already kind of good.
Oh, wait, I can just buy the silky gown.
Oh, but it requires level 22
and
Okay, they're also very expensive. Maybe let's just think about it for now and
Save on to it. I might make this waste later
We're gonna need a lot more gold if we want to make this so that's not that's not me asking for gold
That's me saying I don't have gold so I'm not gonna do it right now
So just just don't
That's that's what I'm saying, which is fine
Okay
Okay, let's go get the wetlands ring, and then we'll do deadlines.
So let's fly up to wetlands for the ring and then deadlines.
Okay, so yeah, fire mage has four buttons, four button rotation, not one or two.
Arcane right now is two buttons, Pompeiro is a third, and frost is two buttons, arcane
mistle would be a third.
The conversation is how do we bring that up.
There's no mage spec which is one button.
said that, it's like 90% one button. So there's new ones to these words, guys. Please do not
misquote me. I've been hearing a lot of people basically say like, oh, I heard you said this.
And I'm like, no, no, I didn't say that. That's part of what I said. In the larger context,
that is not what I said. So, okay, no, that's not, not what we said in total. Just, uh,
All right, made his one button, got it, exactly, nice, nice guys, well met, okay let's go
to Menethal, Wetland's time, potential weapon, and a potential ring.
Zard said that they're putting retail one button rotation in the game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh,
they actually, this guy actually did link a spec that we didn't talk about on the council today,
where you're gonna be pressing uh like fireball you keep scorch up you press
fireball you get missile procs but then you'll also be using hot streak with
pyro this spec I don't think will be as good as the frost fire build or the deep
fire build or the arcane build I actually don't think this will be good but
it would be fun like this this would probably kind of work I could be wrong
Maybe it'll scale higher than I think
If you also tried to arcane blast in this build
It's probably trying to dip into too many things here
Because if you're gonna arcane blast
Times four you're gonna have a missile brush than the yeah, and too many anti synergies probably
Mighty I if you're gonna do this
I would actually probably get rid of arcane blast and just think okay
I'm gonna spam fireball for ignites and because arcane blast remember doesn't proc hot streak
So too many there's too many anti synergies
If you want this to work
You want to just spam fireball for missile barrage and then the goal is fireball missile barrage
Scorch fire blasts in pyro, which would be cool
But you can't fit an arcane blast if you want to fit an arcane blast then you get rid of the fight some of the fire
Talons and then go it
common AP so one one of the other you don't really have time for both
But it is interesting to think about.
Have you considered tier set bonuses and how it will affect missile barrage and fingers
of frost?
Yeah, I have.
That's a very fair thing to think about.
What if, for example, there's a tier set bonus that makes Hot Street instant cast, maybe
Maybe there's a tier set bonus that makes Fire Blast give you guaranteed Hot Streak
procs.
Maybe there's a tier set bonus that makes mages less boring to pl- Sorry, I didn't mean
to say that out loud.
Maybe there's a tier set bonus that, you know, might make winners chill, have like a brain-free
Shatter effect or something.
Are you gonna farm the Battle Mage Sword?
I don't know maybe next like you can't use it till next patch like till level 21 so you can't use it yet
Yeah, oh, we're on a flight path together boys look at this lit
Someone just joined our kill named lark lark lark
Welcome in brother. Welcome in. Me too
Maybe there should be a boring class so that someone that can't handle four buttons can play too
That's Paladin Paladin has always been that class if you are a beginner and you don't know what the play
Blizzard made the Paladin class. There's literally a panel from 2004 and it's like Jeff Kaplan saying like yeah
You know and we designed the Paladin class so that people that you know are more
where introductory to the game can just, you know, start at auto attacking and get introduced
to World of Warcraft quite easily. So, yeah, that's where like, as fans, Savics, you know,
Anyway, it kind of starts to add up.
Anyway, we already have that, guys.
How did I get my party frames like that?
edit mode, click the party frames, and then just click use raid style party
frames. It's a checkbox and I like Twitch Prime.
Why are all streamers going Alliance? I just like Alliance better for classic
World of Warcraft. I really like Stormwind City. I like being in a civilized part of the game,
not a mud hut. I like using my intelligence, you know. That's why I play on Mage, too.
It's just kind of nice, you know, playing the game from this side of things.
no elevators aren't too hard for me I'm a mage I could blink anyway it's not
at all.
Alright.
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, um, no class.
He's R. What if they made presence of mind baseline for all mages making it only work
for damaging spells and then pom-talent in arcane can be a new damaging spell for rotation?
I think Psalm across the board is 2-0-P.
Like that I don't think so, I don't think so.
I like to the different specs have different, what's it called like
Palm being like ice block being frost and combust with fire and palm and arcane power with arcane
I think like making up like some of these things baseline like takes away from the unique identity of the specs
Like we talk about class identity, but there's also a spec identity, right?
Ah yo guys send me a whisper if you want to send this ring apparently it's like a level
30 elite and we need like a raid group to kill this thing.
Ring please?
Yeah.
If you guys are out here same yeah I got you we make like a raid group for this.
Any ring oh is that a bad word?
Anyone want ring? Okay
Do I have to do we have to kill this thing 40 times to get this for everyone?
Or does it does it drop for everyone no it drops for everyone how does that work?
what keyboard are you using? Yeah, I'll like you my keyboard in the chat if you want it.
Is it this one? Keyboard, yeah, that's the one.
Pst for invite to ring raid ring raid
Dude there's so many people whoa, whoa, whoa, there's some horde out here hold up
Wait hold up I need to make other people
Yo, everyone's assist, message other people, too.
Okay, here we go.
Where does that even drop?
Yo, legit cap, thanks for the front.
Wait where where where is this thing is that like a random rare throughout the whole zone
You tip. Thanks for the problem what made spec you think looks the most fun
I think the frostfire build looks really fun with frostfire bolt. I think that'll be like the most fun
You'll actually use like like hot streak ignite
You'll use like Iceland's frostfire bolt
Scorched like that build looks sick. Yeah, definitely the frostfire bolt
build
What are we even looking for?
Does anyone even know what we're looking for?
There's just a bunch of people running around, like we're all just running.
Paitalii!
Paitalii!
Oh crap, we gotta mute that.
Oh no, not this.
Oh gosh, no, that's even worse.
Oh gosh, no bug sack, get off my screen, man!
Got to mute that thing, dude.
It's a big nature elemental, dude.
Some people are saying it only spawns during nighttime.
What?
No, it spawns all the time.
Just killed it twice. I killed it 15 minutes ago. Not sure I just looted it. Okay, some
fake news then.
Well, I got one guide here.
Okay, so we want to find this thing and kill it.
And then once we kill it, it gives a drop. And the drop gives you a turn in. And from
the turn in, you get a ring. When you get a ring, you're stronger. And when you're stronger,
You can own more horde.
Fatality!
Notes acquired?
I mean, isn't that what it's really all about?
You play World of Warcraft to get gear, to get to do more damage in the next raid, to
get more gear so then eventually you're like out there and you can like I mean I
guess some people don't care about PvP but I feel like back in the day it was all
about getting gear so you could smoke some newbies you know what I mean you'll
we got a bird over here a little griffin
seems pretty vertical guys so that the thing about verticality is it's not
binary. You can have some vertical elements and some horizontal ones. A game
like Retail WoW is almost purely vertical. A game like Old School RuneScape
is almost purely horizontal. But guess what? They both have elements of both,
right? You can have a game that has elements of both. So a game like this I
would assume is primarily horizontal, but you can't make a completely true
horizontal game. A completely true horizontal game would be something like
you would just get your starter gear and then you would never have a reason to
change it or something like that. Like wait is this the guy? Rayfield the green warden.
Oh no it's not the cost. That's the turn in. Like even in RuneScape there's content
where it's like yeah you're like this is some better gear you know.
That's the guy who you turn it into all right guys we got a lock in and find this rare spawn
Spread out we got this
He's on me oh my gosh he found him
No way
everyone to neb
everyone to neb oh my gosh we found them boys get to neb
Don't kill, just tag and...
What horde is fighting them?
Kill the horde guys!
What do you mean?
Oh my...
Kill the horde if they are killing the guy.
Kinding it towards you guys. Oh great great great great great great. Just kill the horde that kite into us
That's good
So we're gonna lose another pp battle. What do you mean by another no yesterday was not a
That was a fluke first of all
The layer was full man. It's hard to explain
It's not even
It's not even like I don't even know what you're talking about. I don't even remember what yesterday was was a Monday
insignificant but now here we are the alliance as one we're gonna fight the
horde and take them out and help neb
all hype oh my gosh this is it guys yes this is the guy wait it's another
Reliance group. What? Wait does that mean no one can get it in our full tag? Oh wait
no no no maybe I just haven't tagged it. Wait did this guy solo tag it?
this guy this guy just solo tagged all of us in and get the credit I mean I think that
he had a couple people baby but well that's crazy okay well we have to wait for the next
fun then it's fine I'm here all day it's whatever you gonna take that I mean
he's another player he's playing a sub I mean I don't know what to say man like
apparently stop him from doing that he didn't break any rules he's out here he's
gaming I don't you know it sucks for all of us but this guy's doing his thing
two hour respawn no it's like a 15 minute respawn we could do all this guy
I cannot take the element tool here.
My first tool by the way.
Okay, it's kind of laggy up here guys. I'm just saying kind of laggy just saying
Okay, if we definitely had some solid excuses lined up if we lost that so it's all good
Bro, how is it like everyone's so kitted
Like brother this guy already has it man.
Why do you take the tag you already have to ring?
I don't care guys I don't care it doesn't bother me I'm just saying for everyone else out here
who doesn't have time to play all day you know we have the tag this guy takes the tag
Here he has the ring.
That's crazy crazy work.
It's too gold on the auction house for the item.
Hey guys, I got a run. GG's. No, I'm kidding. We got this guys. Don't worry.
Yo, Meister.
I still have you here to do it guys. I'm just like 20 FPS. What are we gonna do with 20 FPS?
They need to ring first too anyway.
I finna tag him a guy in my group did.
Wait we should spread out shouldn't we?
Because it's gonna respawn any minute now.
we're all like stacked. Wait a minute. We should all drop group and spread out a bunch
across a bunch of different layers and then whoever gets them then invites us all to their
layer shouldn't we like we could be smart about this
or we're gonna sit here and wait
no need respawns fast multiple spawn at once
Okay, we have a couple spots in the raid if you want to, if you want to invite
two spots, I guess. It's a quick respawn. I do think we should,
we should like spread out a little bit, right?
Is there still a memory leak? Yeah, it's not good.
whoever get yeah if you find tag just tap if you find mob just tag it and run to
the group like I'm just kind of forever if you're a hunter
guys why are you saying forever type 12 those are literal bots we're not even doing a giveaway
goodness gracious
If you guys see it, let me know.
After this, I think we do the deadlines and hope we get real lucky on that chest.
and
all hunters can eagle eye as hunters we got a lock in
as forever hype 12 doesn't mean anything doesn't do anything
spam it there's literally like forever guys there is if you're typing forever
height 12 yourself reporting yourself as a bot that's what you're doing you're
letting everybody else know that you're above that's all it is and you probably
play a paladin. I'm looking for the guy.
Okay let's keep spreading out on the road guys we don't want to get too clumped
or anything. Oh my gosh someone found him. On Ronkin! Ronkin go to Ronkin!
Okay, let's get the tag and hide it to the boys hunters tag it and hide it to the people
There's two of them that's amazing
forever hold wait there's literally a twitch staff in the chat who's also one
of my subs he's a pen year twitch staff and he just typed forever hype I
literally can't even ban you your staff but what the heck man like what the heck
We're not doing a giveaway!
I just want this darn ring so I can get like three more spell power and flex my gear and soda popping next time I see him.
And then from there we're gonna get this staff in a bag. We're gonna do dead mines. It's gonna be crazy lit man. It's gonna be dumb.
Wait a minute. Where's the guy? Guys, we're kiting away from us.
away from us guys we got to turn this boat around you guys are literally
kiting away from the group that's we're above you
kite northish oh there's another one here there's two of all goodness can we
even oh great I mean we can try to kill this one I don't know if this is the one
Oh goodness, I hope this is okay.
Oh crap, I mean we can kill this one if you guys can handle that one.
This is fine.
We just split two.
This actually works.
As long as everyone there gets the tag.
This one's dead.
Okay, this one's also gonna die.
I mean, it is what it is at this point.
Okay, so we got rot, heath, innards.
You feel great discomfort simply looking at this.
It's just not going to stop looking at them.
And then you turn it into this dude over here, huh?
Okay.
Wait, someone said I didn't get loot, really?
I thought I'd drop for everyone
And I mean like it definitely dropped for nearly everyone here like look at the thing. I don't know if some people didn't get it
Oh, maybe you never tagged it like a healer
If you miss every ability technically you don't tag
Okay, let's turn this in
Dude
We're getting some gear guys. We're getting some gear
Finally getting some gear
I'm gonna give group leader to gator tail
Gator is lead if you guys want to stay for the next spawn should
Should be any second now
So gator tail is the leader
You guys want to stay with him if you use some me? Oh, I might you oh, okay?
Uh, yo Gator, can I get an invite real quick? I need to test something. I need to-
Okay, okay, whoo, okay, we're good
Okay, I had to test something. I'll just keep testing it for now because that was not looking good for us
No, I'm not scared. I was testing the layering mechanic in the beta guys. This is a beta
This is a beta.
Gator kick him now.
Gator, please, don't not kick me.
Wait a minute.
Can I get baited on this guy?
I have something for you.
For now I fear all we can do is combat it's symptoms, provide relief to the land and those
to rely on it where we can. Meanwhile we must continue to look for the source. It's Royals,
Whispers, just under the veil of the sounds of night. Take this as a token of my gratitude.
May it help you further combat this madness. Guys, look, I got a ring. Seven stamina force
fell damage. This is the kind of stuff you like to see in Classic Closs, man. That is what we're
talking about. Okay, we're getting dumb strong, man. This is nice. This is nice. Okay, go back to
to Menethil, let's check out the weapon quest. No, it's not power creep guys. They took the
power out of the abilities and put them into the gear. Apparently. Max is level 16, forever
will be level 60, so no need to rush. That's my point, man. Slay Gobbler and take his head.
Wait is claws of it claws from the deep that is this claws
Quest the quest for the mage staff
Gobbler
I might need to drop the group
Please don't face me into a bunch of hoard. Please. No, please. No, please. No, okay. We're good for now
Here stop, thanks for the team was up
So apparently there's oh
Cold Spire staff
Does any mage have the
Ice, icicle rod from wetlands? Is that thing worth getting or is Emberstone just better
anyway? I feel like Emberstone would be better anyway. The hydro cane thing, yeah. Testing
beta layering, true. Hi, thanks for the T1. What's my helmet?
We got the silky circlet.
Ember might be better because it's 20 spell power with extra frost.
Okay.
Maybe I'll just stay Ember since it's Ember.
Um.
Alright.
Is it dead mines time then to see if we can get oh?
Oh, oh, oh, we send the flank here heavy
We send the flank here heavy
There's a crocodile on me I repeat a crocodile
Wow, yeah, so this this is usually what happens to horde
This is what was happening to us the other day when we were outnumbered
Yeah, I mean this is usually what we're used to you just kind of do this and they all kind of yep
This is the horde I'm familiar with. Yesterday was complete flu guys. This is much better.
Well, you know, there we go.
There we go. Much better.
Okay. That's what we're talking about.
That's what we're talking about.
Dead mines?
I think it is actually Deadmines, huh?
If you guys want to do a quickie Deadmines, I want to get the claw tailoring thing for
forecasters. Do you want to do a quick DM with me? Semi-whisperer.
Vadi can heal, Pepo can warrior deeps, Anita invites...
Rogue deeps. Wait, is that the full group?
Hunter Rogue, warrior mage priest.
Sick.
Wait, let me see if Saddy, are you Taylor?
What's this?
Saddy's not Taylor, okay.
Bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum.
Where's the prop, Pally?
I should have invited one. That's my bad. Whatever though. We'll do a quick dead mines and then we'll uh
Honestly could be like two dead mines who even knows
And then after this I think we hit a little world pvp and then like I do I think it's time for an alt like sunish
I want a better cloak and a better bracer
And the chest I should get from dead mines eventually
Where do I get a cloak and a bracer those those are the two things that are like a big
What am I gonna all first maybe Pali or warrior
Get all blues then make an all I'm three three blues away
chest cloak bracer
There's a cloak and wailing caverns
Is that the one from the from scum? Isn't that like spirit and strength or something?
The shrink in a deadmine? Yeah, I passed it last time on my troll.
It's an agi spirit, you know. I don't really want that. Oh, there's a cloak from our rare
spawn probably won't get that. Yo Coco what's good man doing good are you? Do I
have a necklace? I do yeah.
Oh someone linked these in the first boss of HOT. Oh my gosh okay after
Deadmines we're definitely gonna farm these. I mean they're not even that good, but they are blue. Yeah, we're definitely gonna get those
So after Deadmines chess we'll get HOT bracers. I don't really know what to do for cloak guys
There might not be any insane cloaks
Clocus from a BFD quest.
I forgot about BFD.
Can you do that right now?
Got mana regions definitely.
What cloak is from a BFD class?
I'm trying to think.
I remember the wand, the gravestone scepter?
Which by the way, can you get gravestone scepter?
That might be insane.
It's a new BFD quest.
Okay, so Bracer will get from HOT, Jess will get from Deadmines, Wand, and Cloak will get
from BFD.
So we know everything.
So this is the cape.
This cape is actually a healer cape, but it's blue and it still does 4 spell damage.
Could go for it anyway for the lulls.
And then Grave Stone Scepter is actually not even better than mine probably.
It's more DPS, but 5 damage is 5 damage.
So I don't even know if I care about BFT, actually.
There's this Waste.
Wait, is everyone already here?
Am I the last one?
Oh wow.
Everyone except our Warrior.
warriors in Stormwind.
This druid wants to duel.
If you win the duel, I'll give you this.
I don't even know if this is better than mine, but I'm pretty sure druid is going to smoke
me in this duel here. This guy's a gun. A feral? Oh! Full fang, dude! Sick! Cool, dude.
This guy's juicy!
Oh, yeah, druids have a leaf now. Wait, did it so to say that that spells irrelevant,
useless? Ah, feels real irrelevant. Soda sucks! Whoa! Mid-dual soda gets strazed! Yeah,
oh my gosh. Guys, I mean, level 20 mage versus a druid, priest, lock, like, oh, I mean, it's
It's not going to be great, it's not going to look good, but it's not going to look good
on air either, so it is what it is.
I for one am not going to complain about my class.
I'm going to do the opposite and say that is what is supposed to happen.
That's okay, right?
It's okay to have classes that do well in different certain circumstances, okay?
Andre, thanks for the problem.
This proxen pair on all swipe targets?
That's legit.
That's very legit.
That's too legit to quit.
Let's see how a duel against a warrior feels.
I haven't done any duels yet by the way.
So literally my first duels.
Guys completely AFK.
What about this guy?
This guy is Resic.
What about this guy?
Level 17, 16, 18.
Paladin level 20.
Okay.
Well our warrior is almost here so we can full send.
Hunter Rogue Druid.
I heard you don't own a TV?
Yeah.
guy. Truid, Truid, Hunter, Truid, Truid. Is everything a Truid or a Hunter? What's
going on here? Alibans? I wonder why they thought Druids needed Shadow Step. Yeah, I'm actually
shocked with that one. I actually agree. Not that it's going to be OP. It might actually
be fine I'm more just curious behind the philosophy if anything what's the thought process I actually
um one of the things that's really cool that they started doing um on retail like many years
ago is every time there was hotfixes there was little like dev notes under them with the goal
behind the hotfix like we did this because of this reason I actually really liked that
if you get 20 of the sod mage books you get this hmm how I've opened like 10 of
them I think philanthropist ring from mage books
Okay, let's get one.
Turn them into the Mage Tower Librarian.
Wait, that's really good.
Oh, do you have to not open them?
Like these scrolls?
Like, what do you mean?
Like, I have this scroll and this scroll.
Would I turn these scrolls in?
Oh, books found, not scrolls, wait, books.
Wait.
What?
I'm trying to think of the books.
Have I done one?
Oh, they're like random around the world.
You have to like pick them all up and find them.
It's in sod.
I remember.
No 1440 stream.
Dude, every time I 1440 stream it's just nonstop problems so I turned it off.
I'll probably re-enable it at some point.
So if you go around the world and collect a bunch of books, you can get a ring, um,
this thing.
I probably will get that instead of Seal of Wren.
So you're telling me I wasted all that time in stockades.
Yeah, it is what it is.
It is what it is.
Not wasted, Tsar, you had fun, true.
At ten books you get a neck piece as well, is it better than this neck?
Yeah, I might have to go book farming in a minute here.
Long time enjoyer of the YouTube content, smiley face emoji, just curious if somebody
gets up from a campfire because they have all of their buffs, will the buff they had provided
disappear with the more does it stay for everyone who still needs it?
I assumed it stayed.
Oh this is good too.
Okay I'll have to do that book farming then.
It stays yes and I thought.
This guy wants some water.
Okay, let me down rank, because if not, we're gonna be here all day.
Book, neck, plus, book, ring.
H.O.T. Bracer, Deadmines, Chast,
BFD Cloak Wand.
Let's go, boys. Let's go, gamers.
I should have invited a Pali, I forgot how good Pali's were.
the UI out on classic UI forever.
OK, so hopefully, can we clear all trash?
The book that I'm looking for dropped from trash, right?
Pretty sure.
I think it does.
So like clearing all trash is probably the move here.
Reset the damage meter, okay.
Recipe comes from Cookie only.
Oh, is it?
The recipe I'm looking for is for the chest.
I thought it was from the trash.
Yeah, Mage Council was from a few hours ago.
It's from Cookie.
I got the chest piece from Greenskin, the chest piece recipe for tailoring.
Apparently it's from Cookie, nevermind.
Missed the Mage Council TLDR?
Yeah guys, what was the TLDR from the Mage Council?
yep no one here actually no one here actually watched it
okay I have to say one thing something that I dislike is growing on me
server ticks not being present is something that I dislike but having the
continual mana is growing on me I will say that do I like it better no but it's
growing on me it's growing on me it's growing up I still think I want my ticks
though he's converting I'm not fully converting yet I'm just saying it's
growing on me. I don't despise as much as I did a few days ago.
Okay, so this drops a good pattern for leather workers and an ogre loincloth.
Prease Hype? Battle Prease Hype? Oh wait, does the Priest not need this? He created it.
Oh no, he needed it. Okay. I was gonna say if you don't need that, that's actually
better than mine, but he needs it, so we're passing. Okay, let's keep moving.
level tailoring yeah it's up man DPS pulling I look guys I'm just I'm just playing the
dungeon dude. Man I love World of Warcraft and this game is way too fun. Why do you think
fire frost reflect? Only 20% chance? I wouldn't want it anymore than that. I actually think
those talents are kind of troll in the first place.
the meters? I mean if I'm just spamming arcane explosion like we're gonna palm
we got the patrols behind us
This is the guy who says he wants more than a one-button rotation, spamming arcane explosion.
Yeah, you're literally proving my point.
I'm spamming one button and I'm asking for another one.
What's your point?
What?
Who polled?
Do you think Pyro should have more interactions with the talent tree?
Uh... maybe. Yeah, maybe. I think Hotstreak at the very least could be a spell that's not a complete dead spell.
Dead talent, rather. Frostball... isolates.
Enchant Shield, lesser protection. I'm an enchanter, I'll need on that.
I'm just having a level of my enchanting yet, but I'll get there.
Hey Zahar, when are you getting Shadowfang Keepgear?
Shadowfang Keepgear is too high level to use, right?
Since we're only level 20, a lot of it is like 22, 24.
Not all of it? Is there anything usable from this place?
Robo varigal? No. Robo varigal is like 26, isn't it? Why do you jump all the time? It's
Thanks for leeway.
You get bigger radius on your AOE.
Oh crap.
Oh no.
Oh goodness.
Uh oh.
This is tough.
I have no evo cave.
After this I'm umbed out guys.
This is all bad.
Nova
Our priest is gonna top off the war I think we'll be fine here
Mini evo mini evo you can only use out of combat just one you'll do more damage anyway
yeah guys if you if you're wondering what the oh oh that's lids look at that
Throne weapon? Okay.
If you're wondering what the best mage spec is, a 20, no cap.
It's to get the BFD wand, 2 out of 2 wand spec, and you just spam wand with fire blasts.
Fire blasts? Wand, wand, wand. Fire blasts? Wand, wand, fire blasts? Wand, wand, wand, wand.
Guys, the fight's not over, by the way. Snead is still there.
Okay
Cool story
What that was a cool story
It wasn't a story I was telling people that were wondering what the best spec might be
Yeah, but you're kind. Thanks the prom
One, one, one, fireblast, one, one, one, one, fireblast.
Leeway does not exist anymore.
It feels like it still does.
Can you, are you sure it doesn't exist?
It definitely feels like, if I Nova, like if I Arcane Explode, whoa, Arcane Explosion
just hits from that far. I just proved it did right now so it doesn't hit there
but it does hit when I jump. Lee Wei is still in the game so you're proven wrong
but it was still good a test.
that range is insane yeah I mean that that's that's that's classic well man
yep this is the icicle rod for end versus five stam 18 damage I actually like
the ember stone better than the icicle guys there's bad packs I have to sneeze
I'm gonna mute my sneeze. We got a super chat from Squirtle.
Excuse me.
Squirtle says, what do you think of the idea of gathering nodes
taggable for a skill up only if someone else has already tagged it?
Hmm, I don't know if I know what you mean by that. Taggable nodes for skill up.
Broke didn't even mute it? Wait, this is... Wait, I definitely did mute it, right? We
heard the beginning. I muted the end of this, these. Wait, not at all? I'm pretty sure I
I'm muted at the end.
I'm muted like halfway, yeah.
Yeah, we get the first half for free and then the second half.
Sub only.
this area is thanks for the prime happy thanks for the prime they are in thanks for the
prime.
Bro escape artist is so good now.
I'm a gnome, I'm a gnome, I'm a gnome, I'm a gnome, I'm a gnome, I'm a gnome.
Goblin screwdriver, Iceland's greed, what's this?
Extra range work for every spell every a we spell conic cold arcane explosion frost nova
Tara, thanks for the prime sub dude
Talons here you go
When the mage is get frostfire, I actually don't know
of
One, one, one, one, fire blast, true.
Have I tried fellowship?
Yeah, I thought it was okay.
Two-stamp two-ent or two damage?
Wait, two-stamp two-ent might be better than two damage.
I need a map.
Someone pulled a few more.
Eureka, Flamestrike, AE, AE, AE.
Why doesn't Zaru use Kona Cold anymore?
You don't even have it to level 26, I think.
It's AOE, not AE.
Oh gosh, not this again.
Your tanks must hate you.
What?
Damage meters. There's no way my tanks hate me. It's not like I'm dying either I
Guarantee my tanks love me man. We're pumping guys if you're a tank. Do you hate me?
Wait, you guys are all saying yes, you guys are trolling
If I'm a tank and we have a mage doing this, I'm like, all right, man. You do you
and
in TBC through Archimonde. So we weren't carried either, despite what some people may say.
Produces the crafting time of Snot Copper, Tandon, Bronze. Oh, I love that. I love that, dude.
It gives you a reason to use these. That's horizontal progression, man. These are pissed out.
You're going to be sending these even at max level if you're trying to craft some
It's an ultimate low level stuff
That's what we want. That's a runescape item right there exactly bro. That's so cool
W blizzard on the smelting pants though like we want more items like that beautiful pants
Keep those yeah, I actually might it's Bob though. Yeah gives you a reason to run some deadlines. I
Love it dude
So...
Oh, it's leather anyway. Yeah, true.
I can't believe you guys said you would hate me if you were my tank.
It's gotta be the craziest thing I've ever heard.
I don't know, I'm just saying, we really cleaned up on that level, but I don't know,
Last pull guys!
The hook dagger of intellect.
Bro I feel like World of Warcraft is one of those games that like the more you play it's
like even more atticting than it was before.
Like when you get better gear it's like even more fun.
When you're pumping harder it's even more fun.
When you're like when you're investing when you invest more of your time it's like even
more fun. What class am I going to play on Bunch? Uh, Mage. And if I really am not liking
it, I'll make an ult sooner, but like, Mage, yeah. Oh, the dead mines look so nice, dude.
I can't prove I'm stuck.
Oh!
Bokkineer ported the position.
I gained one stamina.
It's actually a healing belt.
We'll give that to the healer
But sorry gives DPS to
You see the scroll that turns a sword an S of case fellow lady. Yeah, well, you think warlocks will perform forever
They seem really good. Are you going for a reliance a launch alliance?
Men see he thanks for the prime dude
Are you spamming rank one rank one arcane explosion. Yeah, this is the only one I have
Whoa is that the moon wait what is that?
What is that
What is that is that the moon
those are good pants look up and see yeah I yeah I don't see anything I'm
looking up right now is that a bug report bug beta tester I see the moon in
in Dead Minds, but there is no moon above me. We're in a cove.
Literally unplayable.
I jumped on purpose to show you guys that the moon is you can't see it down here
that's why I jumped and when you come back up the moon's gone whoa where'd it go
Oh, it's back.
Whoa.
I almost jumped on purpose again.
Trax, thanks for the super chat, man.
Jaja, thanks for the prom wreck. Thanks for the prom
Are you gonna test arcane blast? I think the
The respect cost goes down. I'll try everything but if it stays like this I might just stay my current build if respect cost
Gets cut. I want to try fire and arcane, but
Blamestrike
Well, what the heck is that moon doing there, man?
Secret moon boss, it might be.
I'll have to improvise I can't believe we're playing classic plus guys after all
of these months and years of waiting they're all the classic plus copium
comments on YouTube we're here we're playing it I can't believe it I can't
believe it. Can you blink son of Mr. Smite now. First mate band. Ooh, six strength two
stammering. First mate band and band of the better half two set. Chance on a melee swing
to become angry huh two set bonus 20 for 20 what where's band of the better half
from is that cookie who's mr. Smites better half the second item other ring
is 60. A level 60 ring? Wait. Okay. Okay. See, you can't actually get it, so, okay,
that's weird. Mrs. Smite? I don't know, I thought Mr. Smite and Cookie might be a thing.
I wonder if 20 strength would actually be good enough to want to use at level 60, no
there's no way, right?
This is actually better than mine if you don't need that, Zaddy.
He popped a greed.
We lose one Spelled Image, but we gain four Stamina.
And Armor.
Ooh.
I lose my Enchant to two Stam 16 Armor.
I think it is technically better.
I need to get a new armor thing.
I need more leather working kits on my gear.
Read the ring croc.
Better chance on melee swing to become angry,
increasing strength by 50 for 10 seconds.
I didn't realize it was 50 strength.
Wow.
20 baseline strength, 50 on frog.
Is that gonna be good at level 60, do you think?
Like, for, that would be crazy.
That, okay, so if that ring is actually good at level 60,
you're telling me there's gonna be a dead mines ring
that's potentially usable at 60.
That is horizontal progression.
That might be a pre-biss ring right there. Is that nuts?
Guys, this is RuneScape man. This is literal like early game like that's wild.
I don't know if it'll actually be pre-biss. Who knows maybe not but that's super cool man.
Wait, so who's who's Mr. Smite's better half?
I'm dying to know Mrs. Smite, where's where's the drop like how do you guys know this is
60 brain here I can't believe you would hate me if I was your in your group if
you guys for the tank, like there's just no way man.
Oh it got datamined, okay that's why.
Man, dataminers.
You're still on that? I'm just saying bro, if I had to be in my group I'd be amped.
Can't believe all the hate.
Boop, boop, boop, boop.
Dude, I hope Eureka doesn't get nerfed.
Okay, it probably needs to be nerfed, but I hope it- I mean, okay, maybe I hope it does
get nerfed.
Dude, Eureka's very strong, guys.
It is very strong.
It needs a big nerf.
If you were going to balance your Rika, how would you do it?
Three half price blizzards.
Yo shhh.
Remove it, delete it.
This is why.
Why you not want to ask chat these types of questions?
You can't just delete it guys.
Two spells instead of three might be the move.
Mana cost reduction by 40 or 30 instead of 50 could be the move.
Oh, Buccaneers Chord.
I lose stamina and I lose intellect, but I gain 2 damage.
I kinda like mine.
Plus mine is blue anyway.
What about this spec for PvP?
If it's not Frost Arcane, it probably won't be the move.
This will be okay, but I think Ice Fairy will just be better
since Ice Fairy makes the sea don't die instantly.
I think it'll just be like strictly worse than Ice Barrier though.
10% crit instead of damage.
But you guys think they should be 10% mana?
I mean that's a little too weak.
I think 50 is too strong though.
What if it's 25% less mana?
Oh
Oh, oh, oh, don't full van please
Priest version is 15 the mage versions 50
Green skin green skin green skin we got the bell boys
Gnomes are OP in the lore so let them have it.
Yeah, yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense in the lore.
You know mages are actually OP in the lore as well so in order for forever to be lore
accurate we might need some changes for the lore.
Our cause is righteous for the lower heart
Our cause is righteous.
Van Cleep did nothing wrong.
Yeah, well thanks, funky monkey.
I'm a 33 year old now.
It's crazy.
Oh, cape of the brotherhood.
GZ GZ alright guys we need that we need that chest recipe from cookie. That's why we're here that chest recipe
From cookie come on cookie come on
Cookie
Okay
Okay, we're ummed out of here man a pot worth it
Just chess chess chess chess chess chess Blizzard one time chess chess chess Blizzard one time
Bruh.
Guys, do we go again or do we do the Iron Forge Dungeon and go for the Bracers over
there?
I mean we're right here we could go again I'm down for another if you guys are up to
you guys wait someone says you can buy the recipe on the auction house wait
really it's BOE the recipes BOE no
Can someone on the auction house link it?
I don't believe that.
I have this in my bags.
It's BOE.
What?
Are you looking to sell it?
It's a warlock and yo, it's actual boe
You get this from cookie
I mean, I'm down to send another anyway since we're already here see we get it
See we're lucky, but if not we could buy it. What the heck?
one DM boss
What does that mean? Oh first? It's the first one
Binds on pickup. No, it's the items buying a pick up the pattern is be we
Wait, is it the first boss?
Reading is hard, I guess so.
Oh, any of them can drop it.
It's 10 silver on the arch now.
You can have it after my run.
He's in the run.
What legend?
How far are you right now?
If he just started, I'd say we just do another run and meet him at the end.
do another like just for the fun all PST well if you're towards the end all this
wait doing gil need
forever we could probably like we could probably speed run it you want to
speedrun and beat their run? We could probably speedrun it.
Can skip everything this time, set bosses.
Choose Pali here if you want to speedrun.
We already have a group.
It's all good, thank you though.
Wipe incoming.
Yeah, I used the wrong bear to see if anyone in the shadow catch it. Couple you guys did. Nice work guys.
What cam and mic do I use? I'll link you to my full Amazon setup link in the chat if
if you want to check it out.
What's the score with the 5 on there on the minimap? Just a 5 player dungeon.
Have you given any thought to how this would feel like in hardcore? Really fun I
think. You're gonna have way more dungeons which is gonna be sick.
I was beta going I'm loving it man it's it's fun like there's there's things I
don't like you know whatever but overall I'm having a blast
That dungeon quest XP is awesome, yeah, it's really nice, like, the, like, what ends up
happening is like, you, um, don't need this.
What ends up happening is like you basically like go through this period of collecting
a bunch of quests and getting ready for a dungeon, you do a dungeon, you level up a few times
and then you literally just do more quests and get ready for the next dungeon and you
just rinse repeat.
Where like you can say you already do that but now it's even better to do it and there's
more dungeons than before.
you could do that even more effectively which is awesome.
Man that streaming setup is money.
I need to get a better job.
When I first started streaming I streamed from a
Like a Mac
I Mac or something or like a Mac a MacBook
when it's like little black MacBooks and
Here's like under a thousand bucks, and it was it was awful. It's troll
Complete terrible setup. I did that for a while man. It was it was different. I think if you want to stream
you just you send it with what you have and then uh you would upgrade like slowly over time
my first dream was a camera on my phone yeah you just gotta send it then
what mic did i use uh i just had a mic on my headset i think or my laptop and then eventually i
I ended up getting one of those like Samson Meteor mics that everyone had back in 2012.
And then years later I upgraded to this thing, which was like, this thing is like 500 bucks.
I was like, there's no way this is ever worth it.
And then I was thinking about it and I was like, well, maybe it is worth it since I had
people listening to the stream all day.
But this one was like, I really didn't want to do this one for a while.
This is the mic that every podcaster and streamer in the world uses.
It's like it's gotta be good for use for a reason or maybe not maybe everyone just has the same idea that I do and they
Everyone just uses it for no reason
But anyway, I got this one
I'm grateful for the good mic, you know what's actually funny is I didn't set up my audio settings correctly until like two months ago
I like reset my audio settings the proper way a few months back and before that I had it completely set up wrong
So I was basically not getting the best quality out of this thing, but I could
Now we're locked in chest chest chest chest. Okay, no
Hammer height. Oh dude that thing is so sick for a ratpally now. What the heck?
That thing is dank dude
Do you dual PC stream now dual PC streaming is awful man
It doesn't like it's not even necessary
for most games especially for classic wow and then it makes your whole streaming
set up awful if you click on something in the chat it brings it up on the other
screen you can't even drag it over from screen to screen it's like terrible I've
I've done dual PC streams and it's like this sucks.
It sucked cause you didn't set it up with correct software to go between computers.
Oh there's a way you can drag tabs from computer to computer with software.
Yeah?
Okay, once again, I've actually never used that, that seems kind of legit, but once again,
what's the point of all this?
You buy two whole setups.
Good mic.
You're gonna buy two computers and spend the time to configure all this and route this
so you can get like an extra zero FPS in classic WoW.
Still like so not worth it.
It's like a, I think it's outdated.
I think like five, ten years ago is like okay cool like computers weren't good enough
But now they are like if I'm playing any game. I'm usually capping my FPS anyway, like what's the point like what's the pro of two computers?
If one crashes your stream would still crash
Not everyone can afford a good computer, so you're gonna buy two cheap ones?
I don't know man, we gotta make it make sense.
I think it was like a good idea theoretically like five to eight years ago, but I think
now it's kind of outdated. It's like just one PC streaming is like just better.
You don't play any games that it would actually help with? Yeah, yeah, like
Like, you know, classic WoW, even retail WoW,
League of Legends, like New World, I'm trying to think.
Like all the games I've played over the last few years,
like I, my frames are like capped anyway.
Like I get such good FPS, it's like, okay, well,
would be no point.
But yeah, if you're doing like,
Yeah, crazy crazy setups, maybe you're if you're doing like like I'm trying to think
buzzer
What are like really modern FPS titles that are really demanding on the PC?
I played one last year, what was it, Rain-not-
Like...
Like Hala Duty, is it?
Apex, Tarkov, like...
Oh, what are these? A strength cloth, nice.
Yeah, maybe there's some games where like, it would make sense.
I haven't played any of those, I don't really play into play any of them either.
Like, I play like Minecraft, I play like, World of Warcraft Classic, I play like League.
Played like Warcraft 3, Battle Mage gloves, true.
Battle Mage confirmed.
Sad, thanks for the 2-1.
Didn't earlier say you only had 120 FPS?
It's like a memory leak bug.
Like if I go on Classic WoW right now, my FPS is like, I don't know, 600, 700, 800, 900,
depending on what I'm doing in the game, so I just cap my FPS to like 400.
It depends what game I'm playing but often times I kept my FPS.
I will be playing forever and then hardcore forever.
I really don't have any plans to go back to OG WoW anytime soon.
I mean bro, it's forever and then hardcore forever and then only things three.
And then we'll see but I really want to play hardcore forever
Why not cap it at 200 FPS I think my refresh rate on my monitors like 360 Hertz
So I cap it like a little above that like 400
When is forever come out November 4th
Yeah, I was playing with the same monitor for like 10 years and then you guys told me
to buy this one.
So I did like a year ago, year and a half ago.
It was definitely quite the splurge, but this thing, things pretty nice.
is pretty nice. What did I get? I got a... what is this? Asus 27-inch 1440P368 Refresh
Oled. It's like, yeah. I play on a 480. Yeah, I mean, there's better monitors than this.
This is actually not top of the line, but it's like pretty close. It's Oled, yeah.
I was really scared of Oled because of Burnin, but I just sent it anyway. No Burnin issues
Noting that it's only beta, do you believe you will like WoW forever more than Classic
WoW?
I hope I do.
I hope I do.
There's things I already like better.
Like the biggest one, notably, is, well, two things, notably, is, well, three things, notably.
One, no world buffs.
I actually don't like Classic WoW that much because of world buffs.
Obviously I play a lot anyway, but world buffs I kill the game for me. I hate
Farming world buffs, man. I really dislike it. So world no world buffs already is like sign me up, bro
Like straight up just that sign me up
The next thing is the fact that there's more content is awesome. Oh
I have a mining pack. I need to get rid of that and get a different pack remind me guys. I'm back in town
The fact that there's more like actual more raids and not just the same raids
We've always done is so cool too like I'm very ready for some new content. So
Continual content and no world buffs sign me up and then class
Balancing right is the third one like class balancing new content. No world buffs. It's like yeah, here we go
Good thing this isn't hardcore.
We are dead.
Guide it out, guide it out boys, guide it out.
The uh, Crab's fin will all get despawned so we just hit the engineers, ignore all of
the golems.
We just hit the goblins.
The rest will despawn eventually.
Kill all the engineers and kite it out.
This is doable still.
They're all gonna despawn soon, don't worry.
Just no fun kite with me.
They should despawn soon.
Nice. Okay, nice. They all despawned here.
Yeah, I'm gonna sheep this engineer with the moon and just kill the other engineer with the skull. Ignore the rest.
Nice work. Nice work. Nice work.
Very nice, very nice guys!
There we go!
Easy club!
I liked it better when you were all dead.
No, no, no.
Did you guys really think you were gonna die there?
No, no, no, no.
We lock it in, we dial.
I'm an enchanter.
Actually, I think I already have that one though.
How's your run going?
I'm gonna message that warlock from earlier.
Maybe it's because you're in full blues? No, it wasn't because of that.
It's because we're all locked in and dialed.
Okay, the warlock's on the boat right now.
Guys, we gotta keep them still.
What's going on here?
No, I haven't played a hunter in the beta.
I've only done mage so far, but I plan to do a lot of classes.
I want to get my mage kind of decked out, and then I'll make some ults.
What props?
I'm doing tailoring and chanting.
I dropped ingie mining.
There's a lot of cool tailoring recipes.
Paying in time. Smoking paying in time.
New key soon. Key. Oh, beta key giveaway. Um, potential. Yeah.
That was a key, what do you mean key?
Those are hitting me from there, huh?
Maybe like attack range seems a little different than classic
Man, the game is actually really fun when there's like level caps like this, I don't
actually mine like thinking about like oh how do I grind stuff at level 20 it
reminds me of sod I don't think they should do the actual release this way
but it is kind of fun in the meantime
yeah the low level level caps are just cool cuz you can make a bunch of all
Just play with your friends easily
Accessibilities there shopping to some content, you know full send
Okay, we're going in we are going in I respect it I respect it all right big heels on our tank
Oh gosh, we want to stack up here, the other moon is still there.
That moon has to be a bug.
of
It does.
Are we seriously AoE farming Dungeons already?
Dude, I don't even know what to say, dude.
We're always locked in, we're standing.
How does Ice Lance feel?
It feels like it doesn't do that much damage, link this to peekaboo.
Delta and Mage, Awee, Farming and Forever. Right now it's pretty nerfed so we'll see what happens.
Are you gonna go for World First? Heck no. I'm gonna go for World Last.
Have I played with many healers? Uh, a little bit, yeah. What's the question?
As a frost enjoyer I would love to see orb frost shards and glacial spike.
No, that's just retail man.
It needs to be classic.
It can't just be like a bunch of copypasta retail stuff.
Just a Kona cold and an AE spam with the extra mana and spear should be easy.
So Kona cold, it got nerfed.
no you can't keep it with 100% uptime anymore that's my actually one of my
biggest concerns with mage not only for solo play not only for pvp not only for
a we but just for like everything
I didn't know that until venerate and Ziko told me today
Can you ask if your tank if he hates you know he said he doesn't hate me guys
guys.
Yo, guys, I'm dating my Hoos, not level 20, oh, it's a pet maybe.
I'll have to improvise.
Tell your hunter you can tame higher level pets, wait a bog level 20?
Yeah, thanks for the problem man.
Blade increases the chance your pick pocket and distract abilities are successful by 1%
oh that's so cool man i love abilities like that
that's rad
so if you're like pick pocketing for gold you want to use the thieves blade oh man i just love it
1% lol yeah but it's still man it's still it's still you have an rp element now you know
how is that guy hitting me from there what the heck
Stamina cloak with damage and spirits.
Do I want two intellect or one spirit, one damage?
I think two intellect.
Our priest needs it anyway, okay.
Time for bed, yo, goodnight, captain.
You think that Blizzard changed enough
that from classic to be all that success they're promising?
Yeah, I actually have the opposite perspective.
I was way more concerned that they would change too much
and that the game would feel like retail.
That's what I was worried about.
I wasn't super concerned that they wouldn't change enough.
Because I think it's easy to change not as much in an Admore
later than it is to go overboard and then
now you're screwed, because you can't really just
remove stuff without people getting mad.
Do I stretch out my collars on my t-shirts?
I don't think so.
Not on purpose.
Alright, buckle up boys.
Should they do level caps on a release?
Probably not level caps are fun, but probably not
It's great for a pay-ta, yeah
They should I think overall it would be a mistake. I'm not gonna lie to you if they did it. I
Personally wouldn't care I would be like okay. I level slow anyway. It doesn't bother me
I would level up a character play for a bit level and all oh level cap increase go to my main again
Like it wouldn't bother me but people like ampy would hate it all the sweats that want to like
You know just binge the game would hate it like a lot of people would just hate it
For me it wouldn't bother me since I play slow
It would kill the hype for many people yeah for many a lot of people
You know they want to they want to level and then you get to 60 and do the thing like that's cool
Okay, green skin's right there boys.
new mage tank spec true
True, true, true, at this point though, I'm basically a twink.
Like the way you have to look at this is like, I'm a twink mage running deadlines.
Like, my gear is, you know, it's not bis, but it's pretty cracked, you know?
Yeah, I'm gonna level tons of characters if I have time, yeah, I would like to.
is blizzard not worth using nah not really
My talents are these...
Dude, another belt! There we go, man!
Do I think Blizzard's gonna rush their raids out?
I think they're supposed to be delayed a bit to give people a chance to level.
Why not Ice Shards?
Crit chance is too low for Ice Shards to be good since you don't have Shatter yet.
So Ice Shards is pretty much a dead talent.
Oh, thanks babe.
Guys we got a protein shake from Sham.
Oh yeah.
Why does nothing keep on to one? It's gonna be, um, cold and some haven't yet.
Blueberry and, uh, the vanilla protein powder, yep.
It's not a dead talent, Maul, I do a lot of damage.
Alright man, if it's working for you, just keep it going.
Arcon is righteous!
Yo. Sick. That's very good for our priest. It's definitely an upgrade for me, but we
won't that to our healer for sure, for sure. That thing is cracked up on the heals. Do
Do I have the malignant root yet?
Yeah.
What am I drinking?
It's a protein shake.
We have the protein link here if you want to check it out.
I'd like to make a mage, but the PvE is just so boring.
It's actually kind of true.
Mages are awesome, but the PvE is a little on the boring side
unless they change anything.
Mages are fun out in the world.
Mages are fun in PvP.
Mages are my favorite class, but it is true, man.
If they don't change anything with the PvE, it'll be a little boring.
It might be good, it'll just be boring.
What do you think that you need transmog to hide floating helm? I don't like that. I'm
not a big fan. I like it, I like it just in the settings.
Chest, cookie chest. Cookie stirring rod. 22.3 dps with 3 damage fire resist. Mine's just
Well, Rip guys, two runs, no drop, but I think that log says he'd give me it.
People also said it's like 10 silver around the auction house, so I guess I'll just grab
it from that log.
I didn't know it was BOE, but that's okay, I had fun doing these runs anyway.
Yo, thanks for the runs, guys.
That was lit.
I am on the-
Alba fair moon.
What does BOE mean? Bind on a quip.
My name is not centered. I don't think I did anything in particular, no.
Well, leveling take long. It'll take about the same time as classic era.
Nice, the lock is still around, sick.
Why don't I have a last name?
I just hit it in the settings.
I had last name.
Secondary name hide it
I'm lagging a lot less today
It's kind of nice
My FPS is still not as high as it should be, but I'm definitely lagging less
Hopefully they'd make they fix it completely the game is actually way more fun when you're not lagging
Like today, I swear like today
I actually have like over a hundred FPS most of the time. It's actually just way more fun that way when you're playing with like
20 FPS. It's it's just very brutal
I
Was a week grinding feel it's hard to tell at level 20 you can still kind of do it, but
Why 15 G I'm one gold right now
So it is in fact bind on pickup here, we'll give this guy gold apparently
It's only like 10 silver on the auction house, but we got to hook this guy up for being a homie
All right, this last hour I've been going for this drop in Dead Minds, you can just have it
you buy from it from from from the auction house. What the heck? Okay, so now let's craft this thing.
We'd wool and cloth, fine thread, oh crap.
Let's go to the city and craft this.
How are you?
How are you?
Yeah.
Okay.
We need woolen cloth, cerulean thigh, fine thread and spider silk.
All of that's cheap except the cerulean thighs.
Homie!
Thanks for the G1.
Let's go.
My first daughter was born recently.
Hey, Grads!
Thank you for all the positivity you've spread in helping me and others with having a better
mindset and being healthier.
Have a great day!
Grads, man!
That's what's up!
Appreciate it!
Thank you.
On Auction House, it's 15G.
Someone just said they bought it for 10 silver, and then someone else said they bought it
for 30 silver.
So maybe they're all bought up now, now that we said it.
Did I prime correctly from YouTube?
Yo!
coming over from YouTube. Appreciate ya. You just got it for 60 silver. Nice. How's the
neck? It's feeling okay lately. Okay, so let's crap this silky gown and then go to HOT and
Ironforge. The witch, thanks for the prime.
I think there's something kind of cool about being a tailor as a mage, like I'm glad there's
items worth crafting while you're leveling is pretty rad.
fighters so. Find thread will get from the vendor. Guys we might need some help beta testing.
If we want to test to see if this chest works properly for the good of the game. For the
good guy for the good of the beta then we're gonna potentially maybe someone
just linked that wow that's pretty insane and from that too which is
might need to uh thingy either that or we gotta start farming some gold boys
we're golden a half away from this regardless we get it because this thing
It's so nice greetings
Cheese tigers I
Is it time for a controller only series negative
negative negative negative there's a warrior in the
killed with a die? I have a die for you? Oh, sick. Oh, his name is Malakai. Hello there,
Malakai. You went full natibro on launch? I think I am. I haven't fully committed. Thank
Thank you, bro.
I haven't fully committed, but I think the way I played Season of Discovery was no hand
outs, I turned trading off, but I could still sell things on the auction house, so I could
sell items that I got as a drop, but I had trades turned off, mailbox turned off and
stuff like that.
I think I might do that same thing with full release.
Like I said, I haven't fully committed, I'm still thinking about it, but I think that's what I want to do.
There's so many random things in the bank right now, but I could probably just sell a bunch
a random stuff here.
I'm writing PvP or PvE, PvP.
Change your mining bag and possibly roll a key. Okay, mining bag, mining bag, mining bag.
Bags bags bags
Stormwind city bags, why is my brain not working? They're here
So I can go herb mining or skinning
Is there no like enchanting one or is it just gathering profs?
Something makes one.
Maybe at higher level or something.
Okay, let's post this.
I'll post Tiger's Eye.
This cord is actually pretty good.
I think that might sell.
We have a duplicate one of these, so let's put that up.
Oh, I put both up, oh, whatever.
Put some of my wool, but I want to keep more.
I have a ton of enchanting mats, but I kind of want to keep those two.
They upgraded the auction house.
Oh, it's amazing.
It's amazing, bro.
Pika's reacting to your mage console and he's not getting it.
I wouldn't expect him to understand like anything that we talked about as a road player.
He's a shaman player, yeah he should stick to rogue then, point stands.
What do you think about the black market auction house?
I am not a fan.
If they actually like go with that, I really don't think it's a good idea.
Let's say yeah, maybe I don't know enough about it, but like it seems really true
Is capsule 20 yes
Gl4 thanks for two one
I have a bunch of enchanting mats in here, but you will save those for a little later.
Have a good one.
Um, um, um, um.
Pyro doesn't seem to be working with Eureka, strange.
The mana cost or the extra damage?
the difference between a black market auction house and a normal in a normal
auction house. The black market gives you like random rare items usually like
mounds, pets, transmog, stuff like that that are like unobtainable and you bid
against other players for them.
Time to sleep hey sleep willman
Oh someone sent me a cerulean die in the mail from like an hour ago probably since wait his mail instant or is it one hour
Yeah, I think it's I think it's an hour
That mail from an hour ago came in clutch right there, thank you
That just came through I think
Okay, let's go get four fine threads for this chest piece.
And then after that, we'll get all of our enchants.
Now let's just get the bracers.
Let's just get the bracers from H.O.T., that should be fast.
instant in guild oh maybe a guildie to sent it you're right you're right
big trouble you know new bearer thanks to the prime do I miss tanking I do a
little bit yeah I think I'm gonna make a tank all a patlayer a warrior at some
point okay sick guys we're getting juicy we're getting juicy on the mage I told
I'd make it all at once we get the mage choose. We're getting there man. We are getting there dudes
We're getting to the point where we can finally play the game hype
Okay, let's get those bracers from HOT. This is in iron forge first boss, I believe
If you guys want to do some first boss HOT runs
Or we could even do more if someone else needs other drops or if you're bored and iron forage send me a whisper
I'm headed over now. Oh
I could solo it. I didn't think of that. I can just solo it guys. I can yeah, I didn't think of that
I'm level 20
The first boss is probably like right at the start, huh?
Hey, I mean if you want to help me you can if not I'll solo it
You can still send me a whisper if you're completely bored it'll go quicker
Okay, we got some people anyway.
Let's cook up more arcane rotation ideas.
Do you mean like stuff they could add?
or stuff that you could do with the way it currently already is.
Like, I think really, as long as Arcane Blast
is reverted to normal Arcane Blast,
like the current design kind of just sucks.
If you put it to how Arcane Blast normally is,
and then...
I mean, honestly bro, if you put Arcane Blast to how it normally is, and then every now
and then you'll press Pyro and Fireball, it's probably fine.
But I think right now with Arcane Blast the current design, you don't even have to think
about mana like ever.
It's like, that's like the biggest problem.
Are you a big fried rice guy? I don't need it too often but it's pretty good. It's really
good actually. Please tell me your classic looking UI add-on. I'll link you my add-ons
in the chat. Mana management sucks. As an Arcane Mage, that's kind of what Arcane Mages
are all about, you know, the managing your mana. I think if you don't have that, it's
just like, you know, what are you even doing? You know, what are you even doing? Like, that's
That's what Arcane mages do, they manage mana.
How is current Arcane not influencing mana enough?
So it's all in the Arcane Blast wording.
have to read it very carefully. Arcane Blast increases the damage of all your other spells
by 10%. So you're not incentivized to use Arcane Blast a lot. You're only incentivized
to use it up to four times and you never want to use it a fifth. So it doesn't become a
war against your mana. It becomes, let me get four spells and then use anything else.
do not press Arcane Blast again.
So it becomes Arcane Blast spend, Arcane Blast spend,
Arcane Blast spend, Arcane Blast spend.
It doesn't make you think,
how many Arcane Blasts can I get out
to max my damage before I'm Oom?
Oh crap, I made myself go Oom, I'm out of mana.
So the way you fix it is you make Arcane Blast scale
on itself like normal Arcane Blast, essentially.
That's a weird design choice, it's very odd, I agree.
That's why I'm like, definitely not a fan, feels very odd.
Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do.
If devs wanted three to five buttons for each class,
why did mage get released the way it is now?
You, yeah, you tell me, that's kind of my point.
Yeah, it's quite shocking.
Um, I would only assume mage released in a state where they were going to continue working on it
Like from from the people I've talked to like that's the case. Nothing is done. This is a beta
They are continuing to work on things. That's the best answer. I have for you. This is not final mage
This is a beta
Mage this is not a final for anything the things that are closer to final are probably the things that got a ton of
Tauna reworks maybe like Hauna or Pally or whatever, but I think the idea is everything is still gonna change
right like
That's the best answer I have
But I would be shocked if nothing changed like for a mage I get I think I think we'll get some some fun stuff hopefully
interesting. This guy's name is Zardu. Prime Zardu.
video-inspired me go frostfire hybrid did the frostfire hybrid build looks awesome I
Hope that build is like mathematically works out to where it's good because you know
You can always theory craft to build but then brist blizzard can basically say no
We don't want you playing this by making it just suck like the numbers just don't work right so like the build looks fun to play
I hope it's good, too
But there is a there is a world where it just sucks, you know like the numbers just don't add up to where it works at all
It's mainly leeway as bad as it looks like like mobs hitting me from far away.
It's yeah, it's kind of does feel kind of brutal
What boss to the bracer's drop from people are saying it's the first boss
I
Don't remember exactly what bosses are here. I've only done this place once
If you root mobs, they hit you from super far, you have noticed that too.
There is the first boss.
This and GTA 6 are coming out, dude.
full send in the World of Warcraft over here man.
Did I collect the books?
Not yet.
I might do that tomorrow.
You get a really good necklace and a really good ring from collecting all the books. So I might do that tomorrow
I don't know if there's like any good cloaks. Oh
The tank the druids just killing boss right now he just stealthed in to kill it. Oh
Oh, that Druid and Rogue could literally just stealth in and kill him instantly.
They're having to kill anything.
Druid can just solo it.
Hey!
First try!
The warmup!
Nice!
First try.
Sick!
We'll take that.
Thank you, Blizzard.
Alright.
Wait, the priest needed on him and won him.
You know what?
Fair enough.
You, you, I, I, you know, that's fine.
We'll do it again.
I wasn't, okay, that's, that's not me.
I was gonna solo it and we're asking if anyone was bored and they wanted to help and then
guess he needs the bracers too, which is fine.
It's completely fine and they're damage bracers, not healing ones.
You know what? It's fine. It's we're just gonna do it again.
Do it again.
All right.
and
I can't reset the dungeon until everyone's out.
We're waiting for the priest to get out.
It's kind of...
There we go.
It's gonna wait for the priest to get out of here.
It's gonna...
It's gonna...
Alright, nice.
Okay.
We'll get back in there.
Okay.
We're back to the only one that needs it now.
I wonder if we could, honestly, Truid plus Rogue Stealth content is probably the most
move he says he's gonna leave cuz he feels bad I mean it's all good I mean
if you want to help now that you got yours you you can stay and help I mean
Or you can leave if you have to go. It's all good, man.
We don't have a healer right now.
Okay. Alright, here we go.
Five spell damage legs. Okay.
Okay, we send again, we send again, we send again.
That Sherwood I think is already on the boss, wow.
So it's actually just best in slot to have Sherwood Stealth in, yeah, Sherwood Stealth
Solos is like we can't even clear there quick enough before the boss is gonna be dead
Okay, oh I didn't drop this time
Next run next run guys. Dude. These runs are easy though, bro. You can literally get these done in like
That was at like three minutes
Is our hype so level 10 hot level 20 man we're getting some good bracers here
Prease can solo at 20. I mean mage could maybe solo but
The nice thing about shrewd rogue is they can stealth in
It's actually fire
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, is there a horde out here?
Is there a horde in Iron Forge?
I'm stuck guys, I'm shrinking.
Look at my mana.
They're trying to do the new dungeon.
I wonder what the back door entrance is to this place.
There has to be something, man.
We got some players inside here. We have the priest inside.
Um...
Crop.
Crop.
This priest is out now, sick.
That worked?
I think it did.
I think that worked.
Okay.
All right, I'm gonna see if we can be,
if we can raise the druid.
Actually, I wonder if I can, I don't know.
The druid's gonna stealth in.
Let's see if we can beat him boys.
Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go.
Okay, nope, we're not beating them guys.
We're not beating them.
We're not beating him. We're gonna let the true would do his thing. It's what we're gonna do
We are definitely not beating him good and it's gracious
You can evade those mobs. Yep. Yep. Yeah, we are we are gonna let the true would do his to his work here
Okay
Guys it's all good. It's all good. It's all good. It's all good in the hood
Good.
That is lit.
Thanks for the prom.
Okay.
It's Druid plus Road just on the boss.
the boss should die like any second.
Hopefully we get credit for this kill.
Honestly, we should just do the run with the druid in the rogue.
We don't even, like, that's literally it.
literally it we don't get the credit they dropped no no way they dropped
Can you roles are due? Maybe you need then give me other ones since you have to. That could work.
Five head? Huh? Find one pick up but you can share loot. That might work.
Let me get back in. That that could work. The priest has two of them now, but he can trade
the first ones if he hasn't equipped them. The second ones he can use for himself. And
we both have them and it's GG's. We'll see. Senor takes to the front makes those received
loot, but he can trade, he should be able to trade those to the priest. You can trade
those to priest. Priest trades me others if he didn't equip yet. Now that could work.
I passed. Did you equip first ones already? He might have them in bags or still in bags.
Yes
Okay, all right, we're gonna need to do it again. Um
Um, um, um, okay, we're gonna let's drop group just drew in an eye two man
I think that I think that's gonna be the easiest thing here. It's gonna be the easiest possible thing here
Yep
Yep, yep, yep, that's gotta be the play that's gotta be the play
Okay.
Let's do that.
That should have been, we should, I didn't realize the situation, that should have been
what we did from the start, probably.
Okay.
Alright.
There we go.
It's giveaway time.
Let's do let's do let's do another giveaway. Well, the truant's doing that. Thank you to mixo's
We will do a
Giveaway
This giveaway guys is for the 79 99 collectors edition
This one is for the collection edition
$80 offer you get beta Warcraft 3 and sky born epic pack
This one is going to be under the giveaway
What should we do what keyword should we do?
For forever hype one and we're going back one forever hype one
This is for the $80 forever collection
Yeah, thanks for the sub, brother.
Forever Hype 1.
Forever Hype 1, huh?
Cool, cool, cool.
Forever Hype 1, guys, in the chat for the giveaway.
YouTubers, this is a Twitch-only giveaway,
because I can't message people on YouTube...
if they win.
So we do the giveaways on Twitch,
Click on someone's name in DMM
We got the cloak
Got the cloak
Yeah, it's our do actually says he feels really bad. It's all good man. It's all good
Just misunderstanding. Oh
Don't worry about it
of
five of the mix of six of
100% head.
Shoot.
Close, close, close.
He's almost back already.
Um, dude, I love this dungeon.
I think it's so cool.
Am I the earliest follower in chat?
Just saw it say almost 14 years.
Almost 14 years, bro!
Active, that is legendary.
Thanks for the prime, dude.
Okay, guys, we'll re-roll this in just a second or not re-roll, we're just going to roll it.
Forever Hype 1 in the chat, it's for $80 Warcraft Collection Edition.
Good luck, have fun.
Good luck.
Or we'll let him shuss him in here.
Needs to run out for reset.
I don't even know if we have one more reset, actually.
Maybe we do. Let's see. I might be locked out.
Okay, last chance here, guys. This is the fifth run of the hour, I'm pretty sure.
Last chance. Last chance. Last chance.
And after this, we're locked, guys. We are.
We're locked out.
Bill Bow! Thanks for the bruhm.
There aren't lockouts? Wait, what?
There's no dungeon lockouts?
Is that new?
Fake news, yeah, we'll see I mean we'll see you in a second
Okay, we're gonna roll this guys in five. Good luck. Four. Right when this hits two thousand three.
Forever high point in the chat two. Forever high point in the chat one.
and good luck have fun congrats to 11 year follow age it finally paid off to
follow the stream from depth shape 83 11 years that it dude deserved holy crap
Yo Dev Shape are you here? Please tell me you're here. Please tell me you're here.
Please tell me you're here.
Please tell me you're here.
Yes! Okay, yo Dev Shape.
Grats on the wow forever collection edition, my man.
I'm gonna send you a DM right now over on Twitch with the code.
Enjoy enjoy that is awesome. I'm so happy an 11-year follower one
Sick
GZ
And thanks for following the stream man
Yeah! There we go! Unless the druid needs him! Woohoo! Nice guys! We got the bracers!
Okay, gloves, waist, legs, feet, ring, ring, wand, weapon, bracers, chest, don't look at
my cloak, shoulders, neck, helm, guys, I wore an ugly spot here, missing the book ring,
we're missing the book ring, the book neck, and there's probably a better cloak I can
get.
There's definitely a couple things.
There's also some crafting stuff I could get that would be better.
If I wanted to farm really hard, I can craft like other stuff too.
The priest felt really bad.
I feel bad now.
Yo dude seriously, if you're watching the stream, don't worry about it.
This bracer is incredibly easy to get.
It's off the first boss.
Like the druid was soloing it in one minute.
Shout out to Mixo's by the way for soloing that.
And if you know if we didn't have a stealth group we could literally run that in four minutes.
I guess like seriously bro don't feel bad it does not matter.
He said he misclicked me didn't realize what he did.
This is like dude like not a big deal seriously.
It's on the beta too.
Um okay.
Um, how expensive are armor kits?
I have one on my hands and legs, but I need a new one for my chest and boots since I replaced
them today.
You can get spell power armor kits.
Can you?
Am I lagging? Yeah, I need to re-log
Two spell power and 16 armor whoa, they're cheap too. I
Have three silver is that fine you think mystic medium armor kids. Oh
My gosh
Yeah, I'm gonna buy some of these
That's sick. I get four of those
Man, they really did a good job with professions feeling like good like every profit is getting cool stuff now
So to finally catch a stream, what's up with slow been fishing yet?
I have not.
You know, yeah, I'll go fishing guys.
Trust me.
Any minute now.
I just got some other stuff to do first cooking to us definitely going to get around to it
All right.
I'm going to see if I can get
sell like any of the stuff that I have in my bank to make some gold so I can buy some of those
mystic medium armor kits and then put them on my gear and feel stronger than than ever before
and then flex my gear to soda popping hashtag no changes classic fresh
All right, man, all right, you know, honestly dude, that's what you want to do.
That's how, you know, cool, man, you can do that.
you don't have enough money for the deposit.
What?
Bro, I'm getting scammed.
I can't even, brah.
Oh, now you guys are making fun of me for being broke.
Okay, nice.
Oh, oh.
Sorry you figured out the auction house is scamming us.
Wait, is that a bug?
Oh, five golden coins, holy crap.
Yo, Mixos is carrying heavily.
Yo, thank you, brother.
Okay, now we can lock in and dial.
Mystic medium armor kit from, oh, from Zardu!
Legend, thank you.
Yeah, it seems like it doesn't tell you the real amount.
Bug reporter, auction house,
not telling you real amount of deposit money
Scamming gold
Slash silver. Yeah, that's completely troll
That's completely troll
Completely troll that is completely troll
Mystic armor kit I need three of those with that what makes for a total
Okay
Okay, dude, we're getting we're getting crazy strong here guys. We're getting crazy strong
here guys. How do you feel about warlocks being able to summon inside of an instance?
Is that even true?
That might be fine.
That's really interesting.
I haven't seen that though.
Confirmed yes.
Is that...
I'm trying to think if that's bad in any way.
Like it's definitely more quality of life but it's a game breaking.
Might be completely fine.
You know?
If as long as it's not like doesn't have any crazy repercussions, it's probably just fine
Let's sell some more wool cloth to recoup some money from earlier and linen cloth and
I'll even saw some strange dust.
All right.
The wool's now an iron forge, now that you're strong.
I mean, we're still not biz,
but we're definitely much stronger than before.
I'll do a couple, I'll do like one duel.
I can do like a duel.
What's my HP and mana? It says 100% on my end. She don't know what that means.
We have the druid that just carried us. I don't know what spec this guy is. Looks like
He's like a feral.
It's not line of sight, brother.
Okay, there we go.
There we go. There we go.
Definitely feeling like I'm doing more things with some gear.
What's the win-loss ratio on duals so far? 1-0.
Essentially I haven't dualed yet. I did a couple duals for like leveling and in creams, but are we really counting those?
I haven't really done any duals.
I definitely plan to do more.
Where do you get the pattern from your chest?
You can get it as a random drop from a boss in Dead Minds or you can buy it from the auction
house.
I'm here if you want to duel against a rat.
Sure.
Let's do a rat duel.
Okay, this guy's some juice.
I need to level my first aid.
Plus 11, plus 11, plus 11.
Yeah, I have linen bandage.
I don't even have heavy linen yet.
Ha ha ha.
Bubble.
Did they expand dual area?
It seems like it might be a little bigger than before, but I can't tell.
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, classic WoW, classic WoW duels, you know, it's...
versus Paladin, a lot of the matchups actually feel somewhat similar despite, you know, it
not being classic era, but you know, a lot of the stuff is like similar enough to where
the duels play out similar so far.
So, alright, guys, nice use of Frostbolt there.
Thank you, you know, thank you very much.
I really appreciate that, man.
Um, yeah, you know, it's level 20, right?
Like level 20 dueling is level 20 dueling.
That's just kind of how it goes.
Alright, guys, that was a massive day.
I need to get out of here, because I'm actually filming something else right now, and I might
be late already.
So, GGs for the stream, we'll be back tomorrow, and tomorrow we'll probably go for the secret
ring, secret neck, and like the book, ring, book, neck, and then maybe try to find a cloak
that doesn't suck, and then make an ult, and then do some pvp and then maybe make an ult.
If we don't have time to make an ult tomorrow, we'll definitely make it the next day.
We'll finish off the gearing and pvp tomorrow, and then maybe the next day.
If you guys enjoyed the stream of the follow button, today was massive, today was so fun,
I had a blast.
Thank you for all the help.
Like I said guys, on actual launch I'm highly considering just doing more of a self-found
thing but for the beta, I actually do appreciate being able to just try everything so this
is pretty fun.
So, that's some cheesies.
What else?
Nothing.
Have a great night, enjoy forever, enjoy the beta, more giveaways tomorrow, more stream
and tomorrow, follow the stream and we're out of here.
Peace.