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Good morning, Shads.
and happy Wednesday, September 23rd.
Good morning, good morning.
Guys, we are back a little bit early today for some more beta gaming.
Hammerfallen, nice meeting you at BlizzCon, man.
Thanks for the prime.
Steph, Steph shoots.
Thanks for the T1 and fun time.
Thanks for the T1.
Good morning.
Good morning. Good morning. First beta patch tomorrow. You guys think paladin is going to get gutted bro
This is crazy, right? We've never had a patch on era before really like a balance patch since like 2006 or
five or whatever
I
Can't wait
Oh my gosh, I literally can't wait. It's a crazy thing to think about.
Radioactive, thanks for priming. How was my birthday? It was good. It was good.
We played Classic Plus all day and ate some steaks for dinner, so can't complain, man.
Mage buff, ink. You know, I don't know about buff, but like maybe some spice to the rotation.
You know what I mean? Yeah.
something like that. Yeah, if you use the Star Forge link, it'll basically let them
know that I sent you. So, yeah. Shirley Cohn there for averted. We'll see about that. We'll
see about that. When you play a new world with Zika, dude, it's been a minute, man. Maybe
we'll get back to it. Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? What do you think about if Rogue's
got shiv uh from what i'm hearing road poisons get activated like instantly anyway so i don't
know if it's needed resident xp isn't add on out for forever shish tix old ui new splash sound
uh so i'm just saying man i don't know if they're gonna go with the tix i haven't heard anything
on that front. I will say the steady mana is growing on me. I still prefer ticks, but the steady mana
is growing on me. So, you know, it is what it is. What do you think of tricks on rogues?
You know, I haven't played rogues. I don't have like too many opinions. From what I've seen,
rogues seem already pretty cool. I don't know. I think mutilate rogues are a little one-dimensional.
So like maybe adding a little something there could be cool, but like sub already seems cool.
combat I think already seems cool me to late might need a little of but like I
said I haven't played a rogue so like I would need to actually test it out more
you should check out the wow forever has an identity problem by theory wise
covers art direction okay yeah so a lot of people have been asking me to watch
this one we need to check that out we need to check that out so we well we'll
do a little bit of reacts before getting into it but like I really want to get
into it you know what I mean it's like dude these are these are tricky days
We have like eight hours on stream and like there's like ten hours of videos
I want to watch so obviously I just can't watch them all but like I want to there's like 15 hours of testing
I want to do so I can't do that either. It's like trying to like
You know mid max it
No confirmed arenas yet. Yeah, they confirm there will be no arena
Get straight into the game, but no, I want to we'll do a little reacts. We'll do a little reacts first
Definitely a little bit
Have I seen the preach vid? No. No. There's the GBA vid, the preach vid, theory wise vid.
A lot of vids I want to watch.
I kind of want to check out the theory wise one. There's also a Crandor one.
There's also the GBA. We'll see.
Yeah, we'll be doing more giveaways throughout the day. Yep, yep.
Will they do any rated content? Sounds like no. They want to keep it casual.
What are we going to do in the game today? Collecting books and exploring?
Then collecting books, yes, because I want to get the neck and the ring, exploring, yes,
because I haven't seen Riverglades.
So collecting books, exploring, and then I want to get a new cloak, because my cloak
sucks, so I need to figure out a good cloak.
Get a cloak, new ring, new neck from books, and explore.
And then PvP.
I'm actually going to write all of that down.
That's what I want to do in-game today.
Cloak, Book, Neck Ring, and Explore and PvP. That's what we're doing today.
Tailoring has a four spell power cloak. Is it blue or green? Because I'm a
tailor, I haven't seen that. Have I? What books are you talking about? It's like the
Sod books.
This is a two spell damage cloak. This is a one spell damage cloak. Yeah, I don't
I don't know if I've seen that one.
Have I tried the new race yet?
No, no, I'm going to, but I probably won't have time today
or tomorrow, maybe Friday.
Karine, my bet it was the two spell power one.
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Chicken, thanks for the prime.
Um
Get the hundred spell power ring from fishing yeah, thing looks insane my need to
We watch the G baby if we have time there's a couple of it. I want to see see
Much love forever. Hi forever. Hi Eli. Thanks. What's you one man?
Hey, what up Nambi? Good morning. Good morning. Do you feel the dungeon quest rewards mainly the XP are overtuned?
I like them. I like them
They could maybe be dialed back by 5% 10% but I like it as is it incentivizes you to do the dungeon once I
love that
Good morning, bro, but I'm nester. Good morning. Is there invite codes will do giveaways. Yeah, how does mage feel?
There's things I like and don't like oh for all I'm having fun
Um, can you call your contact John Blizzard and have them restore rage on crit for warrior?
But no rage on criss is kind of brutal and like cribs are really low too and the world
buff so yeah warrior might need a little, little something something just to make it
feel as it did on era.
Not any like better necessarily just like to restore how it already felt right.
Xenas, thanks for the prime. Marhob, thanks for the prime.
Yo yo, original good morning. Did they change too much?
No, you know, I think they did a pretty good job of like, most classes don't have that many changes, so I think it's pretty cool.
Um, what do they do to warrior rage?
I guess you don't get rage from crits anymore and you don't get as much rage from being
hit so your overall rage gen is pretty low, that's what I'm hearing at least.
Has anyone confirmed if Shaman Tank is real?
It's...
Well, okay, what do you mean by real, right?
We have to define what real is.
You can do it as a fun little challenge, but you're not going to be shaman tanking in
like necks.
So it's not real.
It's not an actual thing, but you could do it as a fun challenge.
Hey, Zahra, first time follower.
Thanks for following, Logan.
Great job on coverage.
What classes need the most damage boost?
We're too early to see any, if any classes are good or bad, it's too early to tell in
terms of damage.
This is a level 20 beta.
We're not looking at damage.
looking at class design. I want to be very clear here. In terms of strong and weak,
the silly discussions, we're talking about class design. Does the class play well?
Because everything is going to be tuned later.
I feel like you've been pretty clear. I just have to keep re-saying that because people,
I, you know, it really might be a language thing. Like if you're not a native English speaker,
If English is not your first language, this might be a confusing concept.
I don't know.
Like, I just keep repeating it.
It just keeps going over people's heads.
So I don't know.
I just keep saying the same thing, but I need to keep saying it.
Maravak, thanks to Pram.
Hi, Sregoon.
It's good, man.
It's good.
Actually got a little workout in this morning.
then uh waking up real early going to bed real early actually last night i did uh i had uh like
a thing i was doing so i was up late last night too and up early it was good like kind of just
going going in man um um um so it does not sound so happy about the band bands is what's the bands
is wait we don't have patch notes do we
now we don't it's our Scott that McDonald's hairline this morning oh
every morning's my whole life what info about any mob servers I don't know
about any mob servers what are they like are they just waiting to see like what
are they gonna do man
Did we really complain about Mages not being OP since, and they've been OP since Vanilla?
Nope.
No one's saying that, except you, Willy.
Sorry, do you think they'll have some undiscovered new content at launch, or it'll be the same
as Beta?
A lot of the 1 to 20 might be the same, but if we're only playing the 20, then 30, like,
Such a small portion of the game. There's gonna be so much we haven't seen not journal. Thanks. Let's you one. I have to sneeze
Oh, excuse me level cap is being raised next Thursday
day. Taylor, good morning. How did I mute that so quickly? I, uh, I, I reached over and
hit my mute key by Midsnees. So lock in and dialed. Um, greetings to Poland. What's going
on? Payo just scammed his viewers. Okay. It happens. What's my honest opinion on layering?
unnecessary evil if we want a mega realm 20 time rank one sneezer that's right
mage cooked mage is in an okay spot it just you know obviously it's not like in a finished state
is basically are you still hurt calisthenics wise uh i'm on the road to recovery in the sense that
like i basically have a like bulge discs in my neck those never heal so basically i have to just
like go real slow and easy and do the things I can do to make it not hurt. So I'm on the
road to recovery in that sense where all of your rank one gladiators as a mage. I'm a
gladiator shaman priest, disc priest, holy priest, shadow priest, rogue and mage on all
respects and that might be it. I think that might be it. Got a high rucks coming out of
the, oh crush it man, there we go. Why do you think mana and lifetix are better? So it kind
of dictates the flow of how PVP goes. So with ticks, it as a rogue or a druid, it makes
you open up in a maybe more slow and methodical way instead of just opening and going and
speeding things up. As a mage, it dictates how you move as a priest, as a lock dictates
how you move because you're waiting for the next tick and you're like going with the
the server tick, so it's more of a flow thing in PVP.
People that PVP a lot know exactly what I'm talking about.
And if you kind of don't PVP and you're more of a strict
PVE-er, then you're probably like, that's stupid, who cares?
Yeah, it's a, like if you ask someone like Snutz, or
someone like Cidoo, or someone like Fenderuki, Ziko,
myself, like any of the classic PVP scene, they're all
going to be like, yeah, ticks are amazing.
They're so super fun to play around.
But if you ask someone who hasn't PvP'd much or strictly PvE's, they'll probably like the smoother ones better.
So, that's basically it.
Logan, thanks for the prime.
This is how I read both YouTube and Twitch.
Yes, did I see the Coldflame saver?
Yeah, it's funny, man.
Melee Mage on the menu.
It's just like a funny thing, I think.
Anyone have a good range of value out on these?
I do not use any.
You look the same every day, you'll take that.
Does mana regen still stop after casting? Yes, that's five second rule, that is still in the game.
Melee mage hardcore challenge, that could actually be really fun, like really fun.
Arcane fixed, 25% cast, channel time reduction per stack of Arcane Blast.
very flexible instead of Fireblast.
Yes and no. I think having itemization give rotational flavor is awesome.
They did that in Season of Discovery.
They've done that in like every modern wow expansion. I don't see why they wouldn't do it here
but if mages have
Rotational flavor with itemization
You can assume that all classes will have rotational flavor with itemization
So if every other class has three to five abilities baseline and itemization might give them six or seven, haha
Then mages are still on the lower end. So I have the same exact concern whether or not that's true
the goal would be to bring up mage rotational complexity to the level of
every other class whether or not there is rotational flavor of itemization do
you think they'll add housing that forever I hope not I like people just
sitting in the cities and a campfires and I don't think it needs it host a road
council with peekaboo was in mere that could be cool honestly I need to play
some rogue though. I love housing and retail but it's definitely not in the
spirit of forever exactly I agree with that. Camping is like the new world buffs
no camping buffs are mutually exclusive with class buffs and they're not
nearly as strong so for like both of those reasons it's not even close but
they're I think they're really cool I actually like camp camping a lot more
than I thought I would. Rage normalization has warriors cooked I get
their damage needs to be reigned in, but it also changes the way it plays. Yeah, I think
that's a fair complaint. Have any thoughts on how Hardcore Forever will look like? Awesome.
How old am I? I'm 33. I turned 33, yes, two days ago.
Um, I'm, I'm, I'm still on this mage stuff,
giving them more buttons to reduce their damage.
It seems like a waste of time and effort.
I don't know what you mean by that.
Kiwi, thanks for the tier one.
No more 100 degree weather.
I know man, we made it out.
We made it out.
It's amazing.
Kiwi, thank you very much for the sub brother.
How do we do this monthly subscribe thing?
You just hit the subscribe button.
You can either Twitch Prime or tier one and you're done.
That's pretty much it.
There we go.
Who will do it? Thanks to the Prime.
Hot Streak should be percentage based, not crit based.
Interesting. I would like you to expand on that.
BB, five gifted subs, thank you very much. You're the top gift for the day too.
Welcome in guys. Enjoy not watching ads too.
Who does the class talent trees? Whose fault is it?
I mean overall the class talent trees are pretty good, but they're not in a finished state.
or like, being worked on still.
You'll lock, thanks for the Twitch brim.
Blue post, wand, and there's a new blue post.
Alrighty, alrighty, alrighty, alrighty.
Auto shoot bug and fix incoming.
We've been tracking the issue in WoW Forever Beta
where the 0.5 second cast time
that precedes a hunter's auto shot
or the use of wand is not functioning properly.
Due to a bug, these auto shots are currently
incurring a much shorter cast time,
which in practice means hunters and WAN users
don't need to stop to shoot for as long as intended.
This is something we'll fix.
I like this.
I like this.
We were talking about this yesterday in the mage council
that like hunters feel insane
because you can literally just like keep moving instantly.
Oh yeah, yeah.
People, all the hunters are like boo.
No, this is good.
This is good.
Like having intentionality behind your movement
and needing to like stop and shoot as a hunter
stop and wand is a part of the game so it was just a bug yeah I actually don't
mind this I think that's it's a good good thing to clarify that like hey look
this is a bug by the way arcane missiles not shooting through a pillar I
believe is also a bug like they're gonna fix that too like I think fixing these
bugs is important so prime checks thanks for the problem and it's not gonna nerf
or if anything, it's a good fix, exactly.
The point of the beta is to catch things like this, yeah.
Oh, it looks so good, Peewee.
I knew my wand was being jumpy, yeah, yep.
Arcade missile should have never went through pillars.
Every channeled spell in the game goes through pillars drain life drain soul
Arcane missiles that's just how it works you channel a spell and if someone runs it continues to channel
That's the whole utility of a channeled spell in PvP. That's like good news gracious people have some crazy cope here
It's not just mages warlocks every like
There's literally the only reason you'd ever use a channeled spell is to do that. There's no other reason for it
So yeah, it's a bug fix and we're gonna fix it
Mind play, yeah, priests, like, yeah, people are just on some weird cope on that one.
In every game, you break beam effects by lossing.
Wait, in which game? Every game I play, they go through.
So does doing a tier list on races and specs? Oh gosh, not the tier list.
Not the tier list.
I
Will take losses loss guys. This is some weird
War your cope. I'm just gonna say it as it is that is some really weird cope you guys are on
All right, whether you're playing like any caster. That's the whole like reason you use a channeled spell crazy cope
I'm calling that one out. I
actually
Look it is it's not just a few of you guys. There's just a lot of you guys here
I'm gonna go to my YouTube channel and go to shorts
We talked about
the arcane missile bug here
And we go to the commons and
Their top comment is mages when they can't bs you anymore
This guy's on some crazy cope this guy says finally they take them 21 years nine months and 28 days to fix that
Nothing to fix that's class design this guy's on some crazy cope this guy
I know that there was one dev who's been pissed about this one for the last 15 years. Nope
It's just a bug this guy's on some crazy cope
Them cleaning up some of the small things really impressed me. Nope. This was just a bug some crazy cope
Thanks for the fix blizzard. No, they're actually fixing this because this is what's broken because it's a bug
This is some crazy cope that I can't believe the amount of cope on this one. Yeah, and it's like yeah
It's like everyone. It's like everyone except
except me maybe I'm on the cope all right anyway maybe it's my maybe it's me
man I yeah no no I'm sticking to it I'm still calling it out I'm still calling
it out it's like it's like here here's the analogy this is how I feel right now
I look up and I see a blue sky and everyone in these YouTube comments is
saying
The sky is green the sky is green the sky is green the sky is green and I'm looking up and I'm like
No, it's not I
Don't care how many people are telling me that's green. I see blue
So I don't care how many people are saying this. I'm sticking to it
I see blue. Maybe I'm colorblind. Sure, but I'm still gonna tell you what I see.
All right, you're not gonna twist my wrist.
He's holding firm on the take. I mean, it's just like, you know, it like it's the position, man. It makes sense.
In the middle video, there is a green sky.
Okay, you're right. That is green.
Never mind.
Yo, make doger man, thanks for the Prime, bro.
Oh my gosh.
Okay, I really want to see this theory-wise video.
I really want to see this Crandor.
I really want to see this Chee-Bit.
We do not have enough time for all of them.
Goodness gracious.
If it ends up being a bug, uh, you can do something really funny in that comment section.
They are, yes, it is confirmed that it is a bug. That's why it's already a bug. Like, so it's, it,
I'm sure the missiles will be fixed, so it's like, that's why it's like, it's hilarious to read.
It's like, guys, it's just a bug. It's kind of like the same thing with this auto-shot thing,
and everyone, now that the bug is fixed, people are like sad. It's like, guys, this was just a bug.
Like, goodness gracious.
Channeling is a concentration essentially.
It should finish casting unless an interruption is made.
Yeah, yeah.
It was a fun bug.
Blizzard hates fun.
Theory wise must watch you. I think I want to see the theory wise one a lot
This is affect wanting. Yes, wanting got nerfed which I think is good. Which I think is good. I
Like the one bug
Good morning, mr. Zahra what a manalo good morning good morning. What up to Italy?
Is there ever been a bug that made the game better?
Maybe?
Probably.
The auto shop bug is ridiculous, especially when paired with planes running.
Yeah, true.
I'm gonna link this to venerate and Ziko since we were talking about this yesterday
Okay.
Do we know if they're gonna fix the discrepancy
and base spell damage between classes?
This is not something that we know needs fixing.
Right. There might be things that we don't know that automatically fix this. So it's
it's like a non issue. It's not something to think about or complain about yet. What
when is the time to complain when you're level 60 and you're doing literal zero damage compared
to everything else and it's like okay we need a balance patch to bring things up. But looking
at some like charts of like how spell power affects things might just be how that class
needs it to be balanced. So it's not anything to complain about. There's literally nothing
to complain about right now. So we'll see.
I feel like I feel like the the the biggest thing to think about man I've said this so many times
the biggest thing to think about isn't tuning isn't is my class strong or weak isn't like any of this
stuff it's is my class rotation fun or should the class rotation change is this fun or boring
Those are the big like that's like the biggest question people should be asking because everything else is already changing
With tuning with with when they get data how much damage each thing is doing all that's gonna change like that
It's just don't even be concerned about it, right?
So is your class designed well is the question that should be we should attempt to answer
We're not all trained to think like that. Well, please guys use your intelligence. Okay
Okay, deep breaths, deep breaths.
How would I know, Max's level 20,
by reading your talents and spell book?
But what about the bis?
Doesn't mind-flay break on loss?
No, no channeled spell has ever broken on loss
in 22 years of WoW.
It's basically like the utility behind them
to ever use them in PvP, pretty much,
along at least a lot of the time.
That's why they're there.
Quelsen, thanks for the prom.
Big Dogeman, thanks for the prom.
It's just been plugged for 22 years,
and you're telling me I'm on the cope.
OK, all right, 22-year bug, OK.
Since the journey is so important,
Shouldn't we aim for a good feeling during leveling as well?
Yes, yes.
So thinking about how your rotation feels while leveling
is a fair question to ask.
Is my class rotation while leveling fun?
Is my class rotation in PvP fun?
Is my class rotation in solo play fun?
Is my class rotation in Dungeoning fun?
Is my class rotation at max level fun?
Those are kind of like the four questions
I've been trying to answer for Mage, Dungeon, Solo Play, PvP, Endgame, PvE.
If it hits all four, the class is probably in a pretty fun state.
If one of those is just completely missing or one button, might need some work.
Those are like the really big questions right now, I think.
They can't all be S tier though, okay, goodness gracious, we're not talking about tier, we're
talking about good we're not talking about power we're talking about fun we're talking about design
guys i'm just i'm just you like it's just guys guys calm on how many times can i say this guys
i it might just be an if you're not a native english speaker i don't know but i cannot believe how
How many times I have to say this?
Good, that's gracious.
That comment embodies the chat, I guess so, I guess so.
Ugh.
Yo, Justin, thanks for the prom.
Oobad, thanks for the prom.
Arcane Rupture, something like that could be cool.
Yeah.
Koongan needs you, what's he need me for?
Ryan, thanks for the prom.
Box dropping in five minutes.
Oh, what kind of buffs?
What's your take on a rogue two button rotation?
I don't think rogues have two buttons.
When I was looking at the talents, mutilate seemed to have the least, but stuff at the
in a few years they'll release wow forever cl wow forever in the state it was in
unreleased classic forever classic gosh maybe bro I don't know rogues having
d2 buttons so if you're playing sub we can just we can just I've already done
this I'll do it again if you're playing sub you will keep up chemo because it
It causes your target to take 15% increase rupture damage.
You'll keep up rupture because you're incentivized to do that with Hemo.
So Hemo rupture is two.
You'll fill with backstab because it does your most damage.
And you'll ambush on procs, that's four.
And you'll keep up slice when you already have rupture, that's five.
So sub has a five ability rotation currently.
So that's sub.
is much closer to but we'll get there in a sec. You don't have enough comma points to
keep all those up exactly so like you'll always have something to press.
Hemo, rupture, slice, backstab, ambush. Pretty cool. I actually really like the sub rotation
like because before it was like completely useless in PvE. Combat, we can theorycraft
Next combat I think has less than sub sub. I think is the most interesting actually weirdly enough
Combat you'll just be pressing sinister strike slice of this that's three which is pretty light
Is there anything else you actually press this combat besides those three?
Because that is pretty light if it's only slice sinister of this I
Adrenaline, they're like damage abilities.
Expose maybe.
You won't even have this either.
So it'll literally be like sinister strike, keep up slice.
with improved slice you won't have time for any extra spenders one of this per minute I
think you will I think you will a little bit not at 20 no we're talking about like end game
I think like you would have sinister slice and a vis as a spender and then like maybe
every now and then you would expose, but you probably wouldn't be able to too much.
So I agree, combat is a little on the light end, not as interesting as sub, not nearly.
And then a sass is also on the light end. A sass is mutilate,
venom as a finisher, and then keep up slice, which is three. Once again, that's still pretty light.
I don't think there's a fourth. And you know, we're not going to count cold blood or
Anything like that like just damaging buttons mutilate keep up venom keep up slice
So like I have to agree rogue like sub. I think is cool
There's a lot to think about keeping up doing a chemo every 15 seconds doing the back steps using the ambushes
Keeping up slice or rupture or both if you can but you know, we might have enough energy for both
but still I think sub is the most interesting combat is like kind of
Two or three like three buttons, I guess and assasins three buttons as well, which are like a little on the lighter end
That's not sub-rotation.
If that's not, then things would need to be buffed to where...
Like, if you're arguing that, like, I don't know, Hemo isn't worth pressing, then it should
be buffed to be worth pressing, if that's your argument.
So you get to pick your complexity with Rogue?
Yeah, yeah.
Like, I think Assassin Combat could maybe use instead of three buttons go to four.
Rupture won't be worth pressing.
If rupture is not worth pressing, then it just needs to be buffed to be worth pressing.
I think we'd have to assume with that.
The sub-apex silence is a bad design, and it doesn't make much sense.
When your rupture ability deals periodic damage, the energy cost of your next chemo or backstab
ability within 10 seconds is reduced by 3.
Oh wow, okay, so you're like really incentivized to rupture.
I didn't even read this one.
Hopefully, it's good enough to use.
Like I said, if an ability isn't good enough to use,
then you can always get buffed.
Like if people are saying, well, rupture is not worth using,
it's like, OK, well, then it could use a buff.
Sure.
Mute Rogue is still two buttons.
I'm counting Mutilate, Venom, and Slice.
I'm not even counting a secondary expose
or anything like that.
Is that not three?
Mutilate, Venom Slice?
I think Sub will be Himo instead of Backstab,
and Backstab only at Five Stack.
I would assume you would Himo just for the buff,
like once every 15 seconds, but.
Zaru is too hyper focused on single target rotations and extended combat.
I'm really focused on like four things like how the game feels in solo play, how the game
feels in Dungeoning, how the game feels in PvP, and then how the game feels in Endgame.
The current conversation is Endgame, but all four are really important, right?
I think just looking at 1-0, this only has to be good or feel like fun in PvP or only
dungeons or only in solo play or only in endgame is a mistake so I agree with you.
Has to be you have to like look at it like holistically like is this something you would
play right? Endgame is more than just single target is the point uh like like rating?
Um I mean in classic WoW how many bosses have like ads?
Nefarian and BWL. Like maybe there'll be some new ones with it.
Anixia-Welps. There's a handful I suppose, but like, let's be honest, the large, large,
large majority is like, you know, you're hitting your rotation.
Rating is pretty much single target. Yeah, for the most part.
a dual tournament, we'll have stuff to announce on a dual tournament coming up at some point
soon.
Rating is 80%
Trash packs. Oh clearing the trash between the bosses. I'd yeah, I suppose
Bfd state before level cap increases so we have level cap increase next Thursday
So I think we have a whole another week, but yes, I did definitely do under some Bfd
It worked in 2005 so why change it at all so like so like yeah, I mean
We've already talked about this a ton, but let's use the Warlock example.
So Warlocks are a class in classic era that are really fun to level.
Like 1 to 59, they're so fun.
So many buttons to press, dots, and like out in the world and thunge and some PvP, like
they're very dynamic, right?
Use your whole toolkit.
It's awesome.
But right when you hit 60 as a Warlock and you graduate to raiding, you're reduced to
a one button class.
just shadow bolt so you could say well why change that it's always been that way or you
could say this is classic plus these are the problems these are the exact problems we're
trying to fix right so for warlock should it just be shadow bolt because it's always
been that way and it's fine or should warlock continue its fun dynamic kit even at level
60 so I
Yeah, guys, I don't know some of you guys
I think are just arguing to try to argue like I we've had all these conversations for a long time for like a year or two now
I don't I don't know what kind of weird. Yeah, I don't know what's yeah
I don't know guys we want classes to have more than one button. I don't know does this need to be said
We all don't share your opinion. Well, if you want classes to have one button, then
classic era is still there for you. But I don't think that's the goal of this game.
I, yeah, I actually talked to a, a, a WoW dev, a forever WoW dev. And I asked him, what's
the goal for this game? Right? Because that's a good question to ask. What kind of rotational
complexity are you after? Right? Because that is really like a very top level question.
What are we trying to do here?
And he said the goal is three to five button rotations
on a single target.
So there we go.
We know.
We know what we're after.
And I think most classes are hitting that.
So that's good.
Shad is just not getting it.
I think I'm trying to be as clear as I can here, but I think for some people it's not not clicking. I don't know
Stay strong czar. Thanks, man
I think I think it's like a vocal minority of people that are kind of kind of confused, but I think the I
Think I think most people are on the same page here
Tweet from the forever dev. Yes, I actually wanted to check this out today
Definitely. I saw this this morning and I read through a little bit. I was like, oh my gosh, we're covering this on stream.
John says, from YouTube, one second.
Yeah, fair enough.
Fair enough.
It's time for us hybrids to shine.
Hybrid hog?
Yeah, thanks for the five, man.
We got a $10 super chef from Sean saying, what are they doing to combat?
Restless blades replaced by literally nothing.
Do you see changes before live?
I haven't played too much rogue yet.
So yeah, I do think besides mage, rogue, assassination, and combatries could maybe use a little bit
love rotationally. I actually do agree with that. Like we looked at every single class in the game
and I think Rogue is like the second least complex so I think I think that I definitely
do think it could use some love. I think everyone just wishes they were a panelie in terms of
of complexity is like they're in such a good spot. Holy, Prott and Rhett. So cool what they've done and Hunter.
Everyone's loving Hunter too.
I think Rogue does feel a bit light. I think Priest is in a really great spot. I think Shaman, actually, I don't know too much about
in hands. Locke is in a six spot. I think Truid. I feel like I need to look at a bit more balance is pretty cool, but
they did actually just change balance like yesterday.
Is there a new blue post? Let me see.
I love Locke. Locke is perfect. Dude, Locke looks so cool. I should be specific. Affliction
Locke looks so cool. They have a new spell called Rack. Tears the target apart from within
dealing shadow damage and increasing damage they take from your other shadow dots. So
cool it's a channel too so it goes through pillars you know and it allows you to actually
just fully thought an enemy then send this so you can actually play affliction and pve
like it sounds so fun to me that's just haunt but channeled yeah yeah I love it man
I'm loving Priest, yeah, I think there's some classes in a really good spot.
SLSL is going to be a menace, I think so, yeah.
Warrior talk, like when I read the warrior talents, they seem pretty fun.
I played Prott on the demo and Prott is really fun.
In terms of PvP, you'll probably play Arms because Mortal Strike is Mortal Strike, so
you know it is what it is.
in terms of PvE like the fury rotation still seems cool, but rage being so low and world buffs being gone might mean that warriors just need more rage.
Like there might need to be a talent that gives you more rage like increases your rage and somehow that's my big.
That's what I'm hearing from warriors and that's my big concern with warriors with no world buffs and crits not generating more rage.
Warriors might just be kind of rage-starved in a raid and that's no fun, so that's that's my big like
Thing with warriors, but everything else seems pretty cool
This is a must-watch about the art direction in forever, let me see I
Want to ask you a question. This is the theory wise one. Okay. We'll see if we can get the theory wise one in and this tweet in
But I think Eureka will be nerfed it probably will be yeah
Yeah
Goodness gracious removing perma rage for warrior. Yeah, okay guys. Okay. I think I've just figured out what it is and I touched on this yesterday
People have this really weird thing where they don't want other classes to have fun.
Like, I was talking about hunters getting nerfed or something, and then people said,
good, let them rot.
Screw hunters.
And then I talk about warriors, and I say, oh, they might need more rage, and people
say, screw warriors, they've been OP for too long.
And then I'm talking about mages, you know, needing more than, like, 80% one button, and
You want like, you know, maybe three or four
like the rest of the classes and people say, screw mages.
Like what is this toxic mentality?
If you have that mentality, leave the chat.
Like that is so toxic.
That is so toxic.
Guys, that is not how you make a fun game.
You bring everything up and make things all fun.
Like warriors were in era.
Like, I don't know why this needs to be said.
Goodbye, goodbye.
Like goodness gracious.
That is like so toxic if you're thinking that way, man.
Good, that class deserves to suck.
That class deserves to be one button.
Like that is, come on guys,
let's make a fun game for everyone.
Let's bring everyone up
to how good warriors feel in era, right?
Like that's the goal here.
We want people having fun
despite what class you're playing.
The whole like good, let them rot mentality
is just like unbelievable.
Get out of here with that, man.
Ah, here we go. Now my chat's waking up. Yeah, that's not here we go
There it is
There we go
Oh, man.
Alright.
Let's get into this.
We've spent enough time on that.
Marmstrung, wow.
This is...
Who is this? This is a WoW Dev.
World of Warcraft Forever World Builder.
Corn, Fed, and Nebraska Boy, Marmstrong WoW.
He has a long tweet that a lot of you guys have been linking to me,
talking about his goal for the game.
And I started reading it a little bit and I was like,
oh my gosh, we gotta cover this on stream because this is some good stuff,
so let's get into it.
I'm seeing a lot of discourse about who WoW Forever is being made for,
and while I cannot speak for anyone else on the team,
I can speak for myself.
Cool. I'm making WoW forever for the classic gamer and for the millions of people who have
had their accounts last over the years because they were not satisfied with changes that
were made to the game.
Okay, so this is what I've been saying for years. I've made the crazy copium take like
three years ago or two years ago that if they do classic plus, it has the potential to be
bigger than retail and my copium crazy take was backed by this right here.
How many millions of people love WoW but quit for one reason or another over the last 20 years
because they don't like what Blizzard has done with retail for one reason or another something
didn't jive with them and they quit and they almost want to play but they just don't like it anymore
Literally, like, I don't know how many.
I could make up a number, 50 million, 100 million.
There's so many of these people out there.
So my take is, if you do Classic Plus, right?
You have way more people to market to
than a new retail expansion.
And for that reason, I formed the opinion
that Classic Plus has the potential, if done right,
to be bigger than retail.
And then I said that like two or three years ago
everyone's like you're an idiot but like I still think it's true mainly for
this reason there's just so many people in this bucket right compared to oh we
have a new retail expansion and people of like in their minds said well I
already quit retail for one reason or another so like I'm not gonna even play
that anyway let's keep moving whether those changes were to the art style the
story the social aspects the game design or changes to the favorite class so
art style this is a big one I think the art style for me is like a huge turnoff on retail since
wad was when the update came in for the models and then dragonflight for the UI that's a big deal
blizzard that's how we need to revert the art style or add a toggle to get rid of the retail
UI because a lot of people quit because of this please blizzard I'm gonna keep trying I'm gonna
and I keep trying, and yeah, this also brings up
a good point with Skyborne, with their forms,
the Druid forms, with any new content
that the art style should fit in the classic world
so that it feels like you're in the classic world,
not like there's a retail asset in the classic world.
I did not spend the last year of my life
relearning and mastering how to do things
like we did it 20 years ago for retail players.
I could have taken it easy and just kept doing things
that I had done for the past eight years on retail,
because I was much more familiar with it,
and it actually takes a lot less time to do.
Height maps on textures do a ton of heavy lifting,
because the reality is the majority of retail players
wouldn't care and would probably actually prefer it.
But I felt I had a duty to uphold an artistic vision
and integrity that millions of people expect from us,
but not just for our players,
for my coworkers past and present
who worked on it for 20 years ago.
If I could not create something that resembled their work,
and I failed not only them, but myself.
Okay, like that's a cool, that like sounds really good.
I'm curious,
like the specifics, I almost need like actual examples here.
Height maps on textures.
He's just saying he's not gonna do things the retail way.
Like I'm curious in terms of the,
yeah, anyway, let's keep reading.
Cause I do think like they've done pretty good,
but like more work could be done on the art style front.
Do you guys agree like it's,
the art style front is good,
but like it's not finished.
Like there needs to cook a little more.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Please do not take this as me throwing shade
at any retail players or the retail team
because I'm one myself,
but I wanted to make forever as authentic
of a vanilla experience as possible.
This involves making decisions widely different than retail.
That means holding the line against changes
that create a domino effect down the road.
Oh yeah, there we go.
It means keeping friction and inconveniences in the game.
Oh yeah, it means finding friends and forming groups
of strangers and being social.
Oh yeah, this guy's speaking my language now.
Because wow, social aspects have always been
the pillar of the game and over the years
it has slowly chiseled away at the changes
that allow you to play alone.
Hold the line, man. That's amazing. Since the day I started working on the River Glades,
I have lived by three sayings. Convenience is the death of the journey. True. If you're
making a game for everyone, then you're making it for no one. So true! So true! So true! This
This is one of the things that I talk about frequently because people will say like well
Zahra they should just add Mythic Plus to classic forever because if you don't like
it then just don't play it but let's make the people that do like it happy.
It's like if you try to make everyone happy and forever you end up with retail.
You have to literally just say no this game isn't for you sometimes because we have a
vision here and it needs to stay cohesive to that end goal. It needs to stay on the right path.
And if you start just going off that path to make everyone happy, then we already did that with
retail, right? We've already done that, right? So instead, it's like, okay, we have retail,
Go play it if that's what you want, but this game is for a specific purpose
We're not making it for everyone if you don't like it then don't play
But it's it's for this reason we're making this game like I love this man. I love it. I love it
Every change we make incurs a debt to the authenticity of the game as sooner or later that debt gets paid wow
This is some gold man
This is some gold
This is some gold
Souter or lead later that debt will be paid. I love that. I love that
These are my core beliefs and I had specific group of people I was targeting with my work
These beliefs cannot be shaken and I will try to hold the line against anything that goes against them
And we'll continue to pester the team about things that feel out of place. Oh
Yeah
Guys this guy's on our side. Oh my gosh
That being said, my hope is that forever will pull in as many people as possible, whether
you're a retail game or a classic gamer, someone who hasn't played in years or even a new player.
I hope you can all remember what made this game so special in the first place.
It starts with understanding where I'm so passionate about keeping it authentic.
Bro, I love this.
I love it, man.
Unlimited Ws?
This is great.
Like so, I feel like classic forever
needs to be contrasted by retail.
If you don't have retail there,
you would feel the seductions of convenience begin to creep in.
But since we have retail to contrast and say,
look, we've done this, now we can do this,
it's this really cool thing where it's like,
we can have both in two different ecosystems.
Whereas if we didn't have the other end,
I think it would always be,
oh, let's let this slowly creep in.
And let's let's let this,
let's let this quality of life slowly creep in
or these conveniences creep in.
So in that sense, it's really cool that we have both.
Now we can say go to retail.
Well, exactly.
And it sounds, it sounds bad,
But it's really like there's no right or wrong.
It's just preference.
And for some people, you'll play both.
For some people, if you want to scratch your competitive it,
you'll play retail.
But if you're tired after a long day of work
and you just want to chill, you'll play forever.
So you'll play both in different ways,
in different capacities.
Or some seasons of your life, you might grind keys
or shuffle or blitz.
And then other seasons of your life,
you might want to just make a forever character
chill out right so you know it doesn't have to be one of the other always you
could play a little bit of both but I love that you can have two different
games with two different pillars of what they're trying to accomplish right they
don't need to cross over three now I suppose true link the post yeah so this
This is from Marmstrong Wow, I'll link it in both YouTube and Twitch.
This is a very awesome tweet.
The graphics are already crossed over, yeah, so like the art style is the one thing that
like for me, I think has crossed over a bit.
I would love classic Forever unit frames and cast bars at the least.
So if we're gonna dissect this real quick,
let me turn off my add-on that changes all this.
If we're gonna dissect this at least,
the action bars actually look pretty good, I think.
They look pretty cool.
They have that bronze look, you know, whatever,
that the mini map actually looks pretty good too.
But this being the unit frame itself,
being copy pasted from retail,
they should make a new one for forever, forever only.
Just like the mini map is forever only,
unit frame forever only, right?
I don't think that's crazy.
And then like the action bars I think are good,
the minimap's good.
You know, like I think the rest is probably fine.
It's really just like the unit frame
and then the CASPAR, the CASPAR.
So the CASPAR is the same as retail as well.
So new CASPAR, new unit frame,
and I think we're pretty happy I think.
No, sorry, we need the full classic UI.
Well, like that would be my preference too,
But I'm saying in terms of not just making me happy,
but like being true to the vision
of creating a new art style that isn't classic,
but isn't retail.
It's this like true third pillar
of we're doing something new here,
like they did with the action bars,
like they did with the mini map
at the very least is a new unit frame and Caspar.
You know
But I still still still absolutely love this man, this is great
New models for skyborne, yeah, I would like the blood off models for SD option on skyborne. I think that'd be cool
Okay, let me check out this vid.
Good time to watch the theory-wise vid, exactly, yep, and that's all it's just about to do.
Let's do it.
Okay, so this is a theory-wise vid.
So many of you guys have been linking this one to me.
This is, wow, forever has an identity problem.
Yeah, like just based on the title, we can already, we've already been having this conversation
and we have the SD, the HD.
Obviously the world has all of these old assets.
It looks like, you know, classic, but then you'll see like this right here, you know,
the new cat form for Skyborn.
And it's like some things might feel out of place, you know,
or maybe you don't think that,
but I think it's worth the conversation.
So we have the Skyborn, some new assets.
Do they fit?
Do they not fit?
Let's take a look here.
I want to ask you a question.
Sure.
Does this asset look like it belongs
in vanilla world of Warcraft?
Yeah, so,
so, so yeah.
I mean, no, not really.
No, no.
So what could actually be improved?
Like, it's easy to complain, but if I don't know what,
I'm not an artist.
Like, what is it really?
Is it too many feathers?
Is it like, because it's already like low poly
in a sense here, it's the colors.
You guys think it's mainly coloring
or do you think it's like the actual,
like so many, like so much geometry too,
like boom, boom, boom, boom, like so many sharp edges, both.
So a little less geometry and tone down the colors.
I kind of agree, the color palette,
I actually agree with that.
The color palette's like a little out of place.
So you turn down the geometry a bit,
like remove some of the, like there's just so much compared,
it's like visual almost overload,
and then the color palette, I agree,
then it might fit a little better.
Cool.
Now, before someone says, no, of course not.
It's new.
That's not what I mean.
What I'm asking is if it looks like it could have released
between 2004 and 2006.
Because from everything that we've heard at BlizzCon,
that is the intent of Wow Forever,
to feel like a natural extension of the world.
We believe Wow Classics art style is timeless,
Which is why our focus was not on changing the game art, but on small ways we could push specifically things like the environmental effects.
Forever wants to extend vanilla, make it forever, by adding more of what we have come to love with classic.
My issue isn't new assets, isn't new updates, it's that some of the new art doesn't feel like it belongs to vanilla's visual language.
Wait, I haven't seen these.
It's still like once again, the same problem.
Too much geometry, too much.
The color palette's too vibrant.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like, yeah.
Man, I feel so bad,
because I don't wanna hate on any of these artists
at Blizzard, because like these artists are great,
but it's like, it's just different kind of art, right?
It's like, it looks like it could be on retail.
Like two cute people are sitting, like the eyes, like,
yeah, no, I tend to agree, guys.
I tend to agree, you know?
Let me let me just say the game is absolutely gorgeous with the lighting
updates, the fog, the the shadows.
Like it looks incredible when you're playing Wow, forever.
But some of these new assets that are being created, like definitely feel a
little jarring to say the least.
So the answer to my question, I think is clearly no.
It's a totally different art style.
In this video, we'll explore how and why I think that is, because as it stands, the assets added are an incoherent mess.
I think this is a fair criticism. In fact, this might be my biggest criticism of forever, it's literally just art.
The game itself is awesome. A lot of the stuff they added, like, no worldbots camping, some of these new talents,
the scroll comprehension for mages,
like all of these new items, the dungeons,
are amazing, the quests, the world, the river,
like the, it's literally just like the art and the UI.
It's like the biggest problems is the art.
It's trying to get new stuff into this game
that made it look like it was always there.
Right, because yeah, this is clearly vanilla.
So how could you make this look more like this?
Yeah, definitely less like feathering for sure, too.
detract from the otherwise beautiful work done by the team behind the rendering update.
So far, I like the game.
I think it's off to a good start.
I like most of the changes they've made, and if the game is ever to have the longevity
of old school games, I actually support even larger changes to secure its future.
I am the opposite of a no changes player.
I don't want just new dungeons and raids for 10 years.
With that said, I want a world that looks cohesive, with sound art direction, a world
that grows inward and captures the aesthetics of what it is in veneration of.
The issue with these new assets is not texture resolution or even the amount of polygons.
This is an art direction problem, something that happens when two or more different art
styles clash in an unintentional, ugly way.
That spot on theory wise, these are great actual examples
like classic, not classic,
mixing these two in the same world, tough, right?
Spot on, spot on.
I actually maybe should just forward this video to Blizzard
like, because I really think the art team might be like,
like legitimately and honestly like struggling with this
because it's like, okay, we do this stuff for retail
and it's just so different.
Like it might be a learning curve thing.
I think Akron had an interview.
I think I remember watching a panel or an interview
where he was literally, no, it was the Q and A.
And he was saying it's been a learning curve
for our art team.
Like they're, we're trying to get this right.
Cause clearly like it is very different, you know?
But yeah, very fair criticism here.
Right now forever is in its beta
and Blizzard asked for feedback.
So here's some feedback.
Yeah.
Wow, forever is classic plus.
That's why moments after the reveal, Holly Longdale said,
Yes, yes, yes, yes, this is Classic Plus.
Woo-hoo!
That transmog is so cool.
Who called it that?
Classic Plus.
The world should still feel like Classic.
Classic Warcraft aesthetics.
Wow, Classic, Classic, Classic.
We're really excited about this one
and how well it fits in the Classic World Design philosophy.
Classic Plus. Transmog? Not in my Classic Plus. Classic Evergreen. Classic Azeroth.
When I started on Classic, our dream was to get here. This is Classic Plus.
It's also why every single BlizzCon panel about the game was all about keeping it faithful to
Classic or vanilla World of Warcraft. Of course, they couldn't actually call it Classic Plus,
since that'd be silly. Classic Plus is not a product name, it's not marketable. I'd argue
Forever is pretty bad too, but that's neither here nor there.
The point is, Classic Plus is classic World of Warcraft or vanilla, augmented, enhanced.
New updates, new systems, all in the vague spirit of what made the game so exceptional
two decades ago. Changes are expected, encouraged even. We'll see good changes and bad changes.
It's likely that we'll get a whole bunch of both, which is why being critical and honest is so crucial.
The player base's responsibility, our responsibility, is to steer the game for the developers to have as easy a time understanding what the demographic of people actually playing enjoys.
This video is all about critical, honest feedback, because as it stands, the game is good and I'm enjoying the beta, but there are two large flaws in it that I want to cover in their own dedicated videos.
videos. In this one, we'll talk about the visuals, or better put, the visual inconsistencies
that will only get worse if they aren't called out and fixed now.
Sure.
These issues really do scream of a rush development that prioritized like, I think that's very
true. This is a beta and this is literally the time to call this kind of stuff out in
a nice and friendly way. Okay. In a constructive and positive manner, you guys. But yeah, absolutely.
Look this stuff doesn't feel like it fits let's not do more of this
I didn't see these weapons, but I kind of agree like you look at just like classic stuff like side-by-side
It is it is quite jarring you know feed over art direction as I've said
I'm not referring to the new rendering technology. I actually think it looks incredible
Likely the single coolest change they've made so far
Yeah, I would say those new visuals are a perfect encapsulation of what classic plus or forever
forever should be in microcosm, taking the original world and augmenting it, interpreting
its vibe, its stories and its hooks and then making them all the better, more immersive
and evocative without changing the nature of the world itself.
Oh, I look so good.
Now one asset was replaced or supplanted, just made better.
I love this stuff and the team behind it knocked it completely out of the park.
No notes.
Instead, I want to turn my eye to the second kind of visual change, new assets.
Much has been said about the UI, frankly, there will be add-ons for it, I'm not too
broken up, even though yes, it's pretty garish and out of place.
Yes, the retail icons in the character creation screen are hideous, soulless, and gross.
But as it stands, there are bigger fish to fry.
Instead, I'm talking about these assets.
Something quickly noticed is that while Forever and its developers at Blizzcon claim to love
and value the original Warcraft aesthetic,
that hasn't held entirely true for, well,
any new asset added to the game.
We believe WoW Classic's art style is timeless.
I don't want you to think that I'm saying
that these developers are lying,
nor do I see anything but passion from them.
I fully believe they love WoW
and want forever to be the best it can be.
However, it's still an issue.
All the promo art at BlizzCon was using classic models for a reason.
Each mention of HD models was done as a reference point to how they are trying to make them
like classic models in whatever way they can.
And the toggle, yeah, let's talk about the toggle.
While I appreciate it in theory, it doesn't really solve anything, it only applies to the
original races.
To my knowledge, not even the Skyborne get it.
It has zero effect on any other new asset,
no creatures, armors, weapons, and so on.
I think the toggle might have been marketed in a way
to make people think that it was a global toggle.
Cause when I was playing at BlizzCon,
everyone's like, oh toggle, show me what the SD world looks
like compared to the HD world.
This was just not the case.
It is a character model toggle.
There's other options in the game,
like turning quests help off
or the positioning of your unit frames,
but it's literally a character model toggle, right?
That's what I understood too.
Yeah, so I think there was a lot of miscommunication here.
Yeah, a lot of people in the chat
seem confused on this one.
Regardless, yeah, like you can use the old models,
but that's not gonna change anything else.
And that makes sense too, why would it?
It's not like Blizzard is about to create two entirely different style of items and
double their workload.
The only reason it works on the original models is because they already exist.
Anything new is very, very clearly nothing like the original art style.
So like, why even talk about it?
It's almost confusing to me.
There was so much effort put into reassuring players that they are aligned with their love
for the original art style,
yet none of that has extended to the assets,
both those seen in the beta and those data mined.
We believe WoW Classics Art Style is timeless.
Pushing stylistically different models
into an otherwise faithful interpretation of something
comes off as jarring.
If I were to plop down the Mario model from Odyssey
into Mario 64, it would look weird.
Sure, the modern Mario model looks nice in a vacuum,
but in relation to the world itself, it totally clashes.
This video is just on point.
Absolutely.
Yes.
I really think this video needs to be played
for like the art team.
And like they have to sit through the whole thing
and start to finish and get their like check mark
of like, okay, you watch this because it's a big deal.
You know, and it's not like any hate, it's good art.
It's just, it doesn't fit.
It, you know, I think it's very, very, very true.
would betray the art style and vice versa. Great art direction is established through
consistency, through things looking like they belong together. This doesn't look like it
belongs because it doesn't. It was created for a game with an entirely different art
direction and style retail. Wow. Then backported into forever with its texture resolution set
to medium. Some models received minor changes like removing a flared feather, but the entire
structure and style of the model remains entirely identical to the modern incarnation
of World of Warcraft.
In other words, it looks weird as hell in my opinion.
To be clear, texture resolution is not the issue.
You can crush that all you want, you can even strip away some polygons for good measure,
but none of that would make it look like it belongs in the vanilla world.
To understand why, I want to talk about the evolution of World of Warcraft's art style.
To start, I want to ask you another question.
Do these look like the same art style to you?
Because they are supposedly the same creature.
No, right?
One is demonstrably different.
Less gritty, more silly, if anything.
Even if you think they are the same art style-
Whimsical, even.
Well, and you approach this conversation subjectively, the visual differences themselves are measurable,
right?
We can all acknowledge they exist.
For those unaware, World of Warcraft has gone through two distinct stylistic shifts
over the years.
Specifically, the release of the Warlord's Adrenal Expansion brought with it a remaster
of the original races, and a pivot to a different type of aesthetic for the new continents in
the overworld.
World of Warcraft, and in turn Warcraft itself, was always cartoony.
But cartoony doesn't evoke a single art style.
Cartoons as a medium have hundreds of thousands of different styles.
You can't tell me that Adventure Time looks stylistically similar to SpongeBob and neither
look remotely similar to the, I don't know, original Scooby-Doo.
The evolution from the original Warcraft aesthetic to another was certainly jarring.
World of Warcraft was made using-
I was very vocal when Warlords of Draenor came out saying like, the new models, I don't
like them, I don't like how they move, I don't like how they look, it's not the wow art style,
And you know what people told me?
Xar shut up.
It's just because they're new, you'll get used to them.
Now, this art style has been in the game longer
than this one on retail.
It's been over 12 years.
And yes, I'm saying the same thing.
It is stylistically different.
I said it from the start.
There we go.
In a slant of the Warcraft 3 art style, flat, harsh geometry, polygonally simple assets
given character by painted textures.
Vanilla WoW's visual language was a product of technical limitations, which shouldn't
be a surprise since the majority of art styles were established from some kind of constraint.
If you watch anime, for example, you might notice a trend of using action lines as a
simple way to indicate motion in an otherwise stale or panning frame. This is a cost cutting
measure, a way to save time. Motion in universe is implied from the lines, yet no actual animation
of the character or object is technically necessary. Action lines have become a standard
visual language and art choice, yet were born solely from time constraints in the production
process. And of course, staying faithful to the original frames that they are adapting
from the manga if that's what's happening. Point is constraints breed creativity. Back
in a while, there was a limit to the amount of detail they could include in any single
asset. If you look closely at a building, tree or character, you'll notice that the
underlying object is crude, basically a handful of angular planes. A wooden beam is a rectangular
prism with nothing but a four-sided texture wrap defining it. The textures themselves
do the heavy lifting on otherwise simple silhouettes. It's what I call a painted on style,
low geometric complexity, but high illustrative complexity. The art of the texture evokes
something deeper than the simple shape of the object and causes your imagination to interpret
the image into something greater than the sum of its parts. That's what gives low poly, low res
art styles so much of their charm and character. It's why there's an entire trend in indie games
that is all about capturing the nostalgic aesthetics of the PSX era. Lunacid, pseudo regalia,
atlas, gloomwood, dread delusion, the list goes on and on. There is a distinct value in obfuscating
detail and letting someone's imagination fill in the blanks. It can sometimes feel even more
evocative than just some Unreal Engine 5 hyper realism. That is actually one of the defining
and features of the new rendering tech
we're seeing in forever.
The fog, the lighting, it takes details away.
You can't see as much.
It's not just increasing the draw distance.
It's shrouding it.
It's giving it depth.
In other words, making it more immersive.
The original art style of World of Warcraft
is likely, to me, one of the most beautiful,
timeless, and special aesthetics
ever put into a video game.
And many of us also feel that classics art style is timeless as I said before and deserves
to be preserved.
It means so much and it is responsible for creating connections with a world that still
remains strong more than two decades later.
There are still games trying to capture this style.
I cannot express just how important that is.
I don't want it to be locked away like a forgotten collectible in some old ignored,
updated era server. It is as important, if not more important, than the current games
aesthetic. It deserves to be added to, to be appreciated by an entirely new generation
of people.
Yep, yep.
Not historically because there's some corporate fear that if the models don't have enough
polygons, someone who would never have enjoyed the game wouldn't subscribe for a month. It's
not worth killing this style or relegating it to the background when it still has so
much left to give.
It's not like any other aspect of the world is being updated alongside these new assets
either.
So I'm not even sure what demographic of people would be like, ah, yes.
Someone says in all caps, how is cohesion subjective?
LMAO.
You're right, man.
You are right.
The people.
Yeah.
I mean, he's saying his opinion that he likes this stuff, but that's not the major topic.
unless you've tuned in in the last 30 seconds.
The video topic is, since the world already encapsulates this
style of art and since Blizzard has went on stage
and pulled us that they're trying to capture
the essence of this art, then putting an art that
doesn't match it, whether or not you
have a preference for one or the other, doesn't matter,
that's not the point.
The point is it should all be cohesive
to the world that they chose to build.
That's the point, right?
The opinion on which one you like better is not the point.
I don't know why this needs to be said,
but let's keep playing the video.
So 1% of the game now looks very different.
Finally, I can enjoy it.
On the other hand, even 1% of the game looking out of place
can break the tightrope of immersion every game walks.
You can think this style looks dated old, whatever,
but it's timeless, and I don't wanna lose it again.
In 2014, during the rollout of the model updates
to the original races, the senior art director,
Chris Robinson outlined how they are doing away with,
for example, painting expressions onto a character face
and started to give them actual lips, teeth,
and articulated facial geometry.
Now they can be super expressive,
and from here, the rest is history.
Expression has become the default
of the quote-unquote modern wow aesthetic.
Looking good.
Everything needs to express itself immediately
and clearly.
Interpretation is thrown out the window.
2014 and onward is a distinct inflection point for the game.
Now, models could use five times more polygons,
resolution doubled, and rigging became far more complex.
Every animation started to be reworked
into something expressive rather than interpretative.
So if you ever wonder why Dwarves became so bouncy
as the forever developers said at BlizzCon,
this is why the bouncy dwarves are a symptom
of the greater aesthetic change.
I am so proud to announce that we have gone back
and painstakingly restored the classic animations
you know and love across the game's HD character models.
No bouncy dwarves in the skin.
Sure, you can make them less bouncy, less overtly expressive, but everything else remains
equally antithetical to the style of the original world.
After all, that's what happened in 2014.
The artistic toolbox evolved into a different art style.
The visual language became softer, less abrasive.
The addition of five times more polygons has a very real chance of doing that.
After all, polygons give you the option to smooth objects out.
They turn a jagged thing into a not-so-jagged thing.
I call it softened exaggeration, beveled corners, bulbous rocks, and complex geometry on armor,
weapons, creatures, and so on.
The style is… well, my buddy and fellow video essayist idol calls it Pudgy.
Things are just bulky and cartoony in a distinctly different capacity.
them side-by-side is like comparing My Little Pony with Ren and Stimpy. The point is Blizzard
now has access to a larger toolbox and consciously chose to alter the way assets are created
and represented in the game. They can make vanilla assets.
So in one of the interviews, I always want to give the artist credit here, right? Because
I agree with what he's saying, but in one of the interviews with, I think it was the
the Q&A with Josh Greenfield.
He was talking about like the tools that were used
to create what you're seeing on the right here
and like, you know, early 2000s or whatever
are literally not available anymore.
Like the software used doesn't exist anymore.
Like it's not, it wasn't updated,
it wasn't maintained, they don't have those tools.
So now what they're trying to do is like,
How do we make with our modern tech
something that looks like it was made in 2000s?
And I hope they can do it, right?
I'm sure they can.
Do we have any artists in here?
Can you, like this is, it's gotta be possible
but it's probably a learning curve, right?
Assuming they're using the retail art team.
Like there's one World of Warcraft art team.
Like we're gonna have to figure this thing out, right?
We're gonna have to figure it out
is it's like, we gotta dial back all of these crazy tools
and tech to just make it look like simple
and like it fits in the world,
not that it's completely just out of place.
Despite it looking really good, let me add that part.
Like it looks really great,
but it just, you know, it needs to be cohesive.
So I hope they can figure it out.
I really do.
This is probably the biggest problem.
And by the way, let me just say this.
If this is the biggest problem Plastic Forever has,
we are in a great spot. If the thing that we're nitpicking is literally art
cohesion, then that is pretty good. That is pretty good. But it doesn't mean we
shouldn't give the feedback, right? In a positive and constructive way, of course,
but that's pretty good. That's using their new tools. They just chose not to.
Instead, geometry began to communicate the form of the item, a complete reversal
of vanilla's style where texture communicated the form of the item. I don't think this is
subjective territory. These are not the same style. You can like both or like just one,
but to say they are the same is not true. Codifying a new-
Thank you for saying it, theory-wise.
...our team has led to the game not really feeling like Warcraft to me. Don't get me wrong,
it looks good. I like the visuals of Retail WoW. I think they are pretty,
but Warcraft, they are not and fit into the vanilla.
Thank you for saying that.
Yeah, I've been saying that for years.
Very good art.
Well done. Warcraft, no, not so much.
Exactly how I feel.
Did they look good?
Yeah.
It's not really Warcraft anymore,
but they're awesome.
Absolutely.
World, they would not and have not,
which is why the evolution of the character models
also came with an evolution of the world itself. Every new zone inhabits the very same
expressive softness that the characters do. I want to emphasize that when I say softness,
I do not mean in tone, necessarily. What I'm talking about is a literal softness,
to the visual of any asset thanks to the way it is modeled, textured, and shaded.
Let's summarize the differences then. The original vanilla aesthetic had angular silhouettes as
as opposed to rounded, curved silhouettes,
low poly geometry as opposed to dense geometry,
an emphasis on texture communicating the form
rather than the geometry communicating the form,
a harsh, painted surface detail
rather than a cleaner, muted surface detail,
rigid animations as opposed to expressive,
deformation-driven animations, a lack of beveled edges,
and a specifically illustrative quality to its assets
rather than an animation-like quality to them.
art style objectively is different. So why are these distinctly retail wow coded assets
populating wow forever? Half the creatures in the new Skyborne zone are not vanilla.
To clarify one final time, when I say not vanilla, I do not mean that they did not
exist in vanilla. I mean they could not have it. Someone in the chat, I think,
I think just said it. The current art team literally doesn't know how to make art like
like that anymore?
I think that's literally true.
It's like, and this is what Josh was saying,
like assuming, I think he said this is a retail art team.
So literally like the retail art team,
they got a new job on their desk and they're like,
wait, this is just, what?
Like I think it's just like,
it's gonna be this massive learning curve of like,
okay, or hiring some new people.
Maybe that's the answer.
I don't know, but it's very different, you know?
Existed in vanilla.
you're probably right. An important difference. I want new models, new armors, new weapons,
new ways to express and showcase an art style I love dearly. These do not express that art
style. Meanwhile, they would not look out of place in retail. Help. Some of them just
seem to be backports of retail. That's true. If you put this in retail, no one would blink
an eye. Maybe that's the litmus test. Right. Would this fit in retail? If the answer is
and it's like, okay, well, then you should have a retail asset, like, then, like, right? Like,
because they're very different. That's a very, very fair point.
Hotels, except with their texture resolution turned to, like, medium.
That's an important distinction, because creating stylistically cohesive,
believable assets is crucial to retaining art direction. Immersion. Even if the world looks
outdated to you, even if in a vacuum you find these things to be cute and pretty,
in the context of the world itself, they stick out like a sore thumb.
Yep. Cohesion is key. Bear with me as we take like a momentary detour. Some of the best modern
horror games aren't the most visually advanced. The only way a horror game becomes scary is when
you are adequately immersed in it. So games like Lost in Vivo, Mouthwashing, Iron Lung, and Signalis
manage to establish believability through low-poly or retro aesthetics just as well as the most
I get really scared of games like this, guys.
You can think of.
In WoW Forever,
Okay, we're good.
Bizarre out of place assets prevent immersion more so than they add appeal to players who
like playing all the way zoomed in to appreciate the higher fidelity of them or something.
It's almost as if they are specifically made to be back ported.
A way for retail WoW to use the exact same ones if need be.
And that's exactly what happened.
You can just lower the texture resolution, and yeah, these are identical.
Here's the thing, you don't have to care.
You don't have to find any of this a real problem.
If the only reason you play classic is because you like the simpler rotations, the longer
leveling experience, or whatever else, then awesome.
But I think if the developers themselves highlight how they want the world to be the main character
again, then it should be fair to point out that visual cohesion is extremely important
to the world and right now it feels like a mess in some areas thanks to these assets by not looking like they
Think that's a very fair thing to say you don't have to care about this
But it is still highly relevant
Because Blizzard has come out and said it is to them
And there's a lot of people that do so if this isn't your cup of tea, that's okay
Hey, cool, but it's very relevant still, very relevant.
This in the same version of the world
that the game is built to resemble,
they end up not feeling like they belong
in any version of the world in a strange way.
They don't fit the new zones added in forever,
in the same way they don't fit the old zones in vanilla.
Why have two entire panels about staying true to vanilla
if none of the new assets stay true to vanilla?
isn't this setting yourself up for immediate criticism?
I think that the aesthetics of classic wow
or vanilla wow are as important as the gameplay.
They are paramount to the vibe and authenticity
of a classic plus.
At no point does classic plus ever mean
that we should start.
I'm shocked at 20 minutes into the video
because like I think this is great, this is spot on
but I'm shocked he hasn't mentioned
that they're using their retail unit frame
when the whole video is about like art style, right?
And art direction and identity and cohesion.
Cause it's like bringing this in to me
is just as much of a sin, right?
At least the action bars are classified, right?
Like they look, the action bars look really nice.
And the mini map is its own unique mini map
for this game mode alone.
Awesome, right?
But the unit frame and the CASPAR being all like
A straight copy from Retail is a very big red flag.
Oh, he did earlier?
Oh, did I miss that?
Oh, I must have.
I'm almost like gonna say,
I'm shocked he hasn't brought it up,
but everyone's saying he did.
But yeah, that is like very,
I mean, just as big of a red flag, right?
Cutting retail assets into the game
or diminish its artistic cohesion.
That's low effort content creation,
not artistically sound art direction.
What's even stranger is that the new zones added in forever
do look like vanilla zones, augmented by the same rendering
tech the rest of the game is.
Again, I love it.
You cannot tell me that the Riverglades don't look
like they could have been released in 2004.
I haven't been to the Riverglades yet.
It's on my to-do list today.
But from what I've seen, yes, they crushed it, right?
They crushed it.
Like it looks awesome.
So, like, there we go, right?
It looks like it could have always been there,
which is the goal.
Yeah, they've said that's the goal.
Like, that's what we're all after, right?
So, so cool, right?
It's possible.
They are so faithful.
The environment team absolutely killed it.
S tier, no notes, again.
But there seems to be some kind of issue
with every other art team.
Not of talent, but of art direction.
I want to dive further into this.
There is nothing but time stopping Blizzard from creating assets that remain faithful to the original game.
Nothing. I have seen so much cope and excuses defending these decisions,
highlighting how they simply cannot do something that they did on older technology 20 years ago.
Bullshit. Bullshit. Old aesthetics are not reliant on old technology.
That's why we have the PSX era indie scene.
Hell, just look at Valheim.
It combines retro assets with modern rendering techniques
in the very same way that Forever does
and managed to sell millions upon millions of copies.
Somehow, not having super high detail assets
didn't kill the game or make it not approachable.
We can even look at games like Octopath Traveler,
which blend pixel art with unique lighting, water,
and shading effects that could only exist today.
This is not a new thing. There is nothing stopping Blizzard other than a strict development pipeline
and directions from, I'm assuming, upper management. Directions that I think are more focused on speed
and monetization than actual art. Because if we were to try and inhabit the style that forever is
supposedly in veneration of, a lot of the art team would likely need to be taught that style. It would
require new onboarding. It would require the creation of bespoke new pipelines that only
apply to forever. I really don't want to start yapping about private servers because I never
played them. They never interested me much and I'm not here to defend ripping a company's
intellectual property for your own profit. However, I was sent some originally someone
says that there we go. Wow team just to look at and honestly, they look far more in line
and with vanilla's aesthetics.
Can I kind of?
Okay, dang it, I hate to agree.
I didn't play either, and I don't want to defend it,
but yeah, yeah, true, okay, true.
You tell, they're not identical?
Of course, but I rather see an effort
than see a multi-billion dollar company give up and say,
no, retail assets it is.
Which is strange, because they essentially
say the opposite at BlizzCon.
Many of us also feel that classics art style
is timeless, as I said before.
and deserves to be preserved.
Each panel was a love letter to Vanilla.
So what are we doing here?
That's the part that frustrates me.
This game is billed as a separate entity to retell wow,
yet it is entirely begotten to it, shackled to it.
It needs to use its infrastructure,
its asset development pipeline, it's everything really.
So what's so different about it?
Even our character models are just the new ones,
albeit with some minor animation tweaks.
The UI is borderline identical.
Every new asset is literally identical stylistically.
Is this not cause for any concern?
Do we really care this little about the art style that defined a genre?
I'm not trying to hate on retail here, but shouldn't these two games be different in
more ways than just the leveling is longer and the rotations are simpler?
Shouldn't you be able to look at a screenshot of forever and go, that's forever a different
version of the game, much like you could classic or vanilla era or whatever else. I think so.
I think that does more to grow the IP by broadening the scope. Just to be totally honest with you,
I never expected to have this comment. I got a pause real quick. We got a $50 donation from Aiden
and he says, Zahra, I love that you care deeply about the art aspect of the game. Your voice is
so important for those of us that really care about this. Thank you. I'm trying my best, Aiden.
I'm trying my best, brother. Thank you for the big support. It is deeply important to me, like it
is to theory-wise. And like I said, if this doesn't matter to you, that's okay too. But I think there
is, I actually don't know the split. If I had to guess, it would be like 55, 45. Like it's not
Not everyone, not everyone cares about this,
but it is deeply important, right?
To quite a bit of people, right?
So it's my biggest complaint, right?
And it's really my only complaint in a sense.
It's like the game owns, right?
And like I said before,
if this is really our biggest complaint,
we're in a great spot, right?
Seriously, if we're complaining about this over anything,
like this is awesome,
if this is what we're complaining about.
So this is awesome, but it's legitimate
and it should be raised and it should be,
like absolutely should be raised as a concern, right?
Versaition.
Not in my wildest dreams that I ever think
that Classic Plus will start using retail wow's art style
and that I'd need to make a video
defending the aesthetics of Warcraft.
Hearing about how a bunch of streamers
needed to twist Blizzard's arm behind the scenes
to add fucking classic models
to a game Blizzard themselves called Classic Plus
is just wild to me.
In a really unintentional way,
it makes me question the authenticity of the panels
all about the vanilla aesthetic.
This whole thing is a bigger problem than some people let on.
It's a small snowball that is just starting to roll down
a very, very large hill.
If there was ever a time to stop it, it'd be now.
We can try and make our voices be heard
before it irreparably becomes the new standard.
Because if you, like me, do care about visual cohesion
in the world, it will get worse.
This isn't an assumption.
We have data-mined assets.
We know what's going to be added.
And none of it is in the classic art style.
I'm about to quickly talk about those.
I think like bringing it up early and saying like,
look, this is really important and raising it as a concern
is valid as heck.
It's like you don't want to not say something
and then they don't know and then it's ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba.
Right?
Like they should be flooded with like,
like very loudly and politely and positively
in a constructive manner that like cohesion is important
and it should look like the old world.
I agree, I agree.
So if you want to avoid spoilers
of what upcoming creatures and items look like,
skip to the next section.
The datamined assets triple or even quadruple down
on all of these issues.
Every single one of them, except weirdly this furbog,
I have no idea which artist created this guy,
but like kudos to you for making
the single new creature asset that actually
looks like it belongs to vanilla.
Wait, so it is possible.
They can do it, there's proof right here.
Maybe he used old shoulders.
Maybe he put the old shoulders on a,
wait, maybe it is an old furbog and old shoulders
and then he just put on like the feather or something.
I don't know.
But like I impossible, like if Turtle Wow did it,
this guy did it kinda, you know, like it's possible.
But besides that, every single thing,
every one of them is retail.
It's retail all the way down.
Every single new weapon, new piece of armor, new creature,
it is just a retail asset with a retail art style.
For example, let's look at this root dragon thing.
In what universe does this look like it belongs to a version of the game that forever is supposed to, according to Blizzard themselves, look like?
Are we being serious? It has all the quintessential features of the retail art style we established earlier.
Dense her geometry, modeled surface detail, and a rounded silhouette.
Meanwhile, to return to that throwball for a second, it has an angular silhouette, painted detail, and simple geometry that gives way to the textures defining it.
you can compare these two things side by side and see a very
different difference in the part direction. Some of these
other new assets are literally just backported retail ones
with no changes or look at these new tier sets. They could be
added to retail WoW's trading post tomorrow and not a single
player would call them out as assets that don't belong. Once
again, good litmus test. If you ask yourself, could this go on
the retail trading post? Could this go on to retail and
Someone might, they wouldn't call it out, then it's probably not a good fit for forever, right?
Very, very good question to ask before, before actually putting anything into the game.
Every single one of them does not look like any armor set created between 04 and 06.
True, true, true. This is very, like especially the Helm's Retail-E. I called that out right
when I saw the Priest Tear Set. I was like, I mean, if, but don't get me wrong, the Priest
The preset actually looks cool, but it doesn't really feel classic, especially the helm.
And like, look, I like the helm.
And like I said, it's look, it looks awesome.
Because it's not the, not the conversation.
Sixth, and again, not because they are new models, but because of the way the models
are modeled.
The art style itself does not match.
It is in line with the visual evolution seen in 2014.
Modern material treatment, far, far denser geometry in the shoulders and helmet.
And of course, that very same curvature that we see in all retail assets.
Just because they don't have the complex geometry belts or slots or boots that are added to some
retail sets does not suddenly make them vanilla in style.
You can't just remove features of a retail asset or crunch its texture resolution to
the medium settings and suddenly make it feel like it belongs in vanilla.
It doesn't.
Why would it?
This is not an argument of texture resolution, but one of art direction, of cohesion and
immersion. A spider model from Legion, a recolor of a cataclysm boss, elementals from Legion
and BFA, robots from BFA, and Mercyus from Missa Pandaria for some reason, none of these
strike me as high effort. None of this tells me this product is anything but rushed, and
it will only get worse. With every new asset being made that looks nothing like the original
game, the world style becomes less and less coherent. A smaller portion of the world,
with each new update, is made up of assets that actually look like the original world.
It becomes an incoherent patchwork of two conflicting art styles. Retail wow is already
overwhelming with its visual clutter, and I'm concerned that forever will look no different
if this doesn't change. Okay now that we're done spoiling some data mine visuals, I want to ask you
one final question. Does this model from the Zephyrus Isles, the starting zone for the Skyborne,
look like it belongs in Westfall? Or does it maybe look like it belongs in Bastion,
the Kyrian zone from Shadowlands? Hell, it doesn't even look like it belongs in Zephyrus Isles,
the zone it was created to belong in. It looks strange. It's a creature that genuinely doesn't
match any of the surrounding environment whatsoever. It is both stylistically different and even
thematically odd. Are we to think this is augmenting the game in the same way the wonderful
new rendering tech is? Or is it just supplanting the game? Changing it, sure, but not in a way that
is faithful to the original. Not in the way that honors the style that clearly defined a decade
of the entire genre. An odd style that would separate this game from anything else in Blizzard's
live service catalog. Just because forever implies and should have changes does not mean every change
is automatically good and should not be criticized.
And just because something has more polygons or higher texture resolution does not mean
it automatically belongs in every world.
Let's think of it Mario example from earlier, right?
So again, why?
I can only think of one real answer.
It saves time.
It allows Blizzard to monetize the same asset twice.
It's a cost-cutting measure to get a product out the door faster.
I recognize that sounds tempting.
I understand why starved wow players and streamers want a real MMO to play with real new updates.
I get it.
Me too.
I don't want to just play the first two expansions of Classic for the billions of time.
I also want new content and to finally feel the original world grow again.
Have we ever considered that there is a right and wrong way to do that?
Why sacrifice the integrity of the world itself just to facilitate a faster initial content
cadence?
Why not take your time and really sell the image of the game that you venerate, even
if it means spending the next six months onboarding artists to a new asset production
pipe?
Like I said, that might be the best move.
You have your retail art team and you guys are crushing it.
It looks great.
your retail assets and you onboard a whole new team of forever artists that really are
trained to look, you know, make them look like those, those turtle wow, you know, new NPCs
and stuff like make them look like they belonged. And then you just separate the teams and like,
you know, have them each doing their thing because trying to cross over is probably crazy.
Right. And you just have a team for each like that. That might be the best solution here.
I don't think most players who care about this would care if the first new raids use
repurposed models for their bosses and gear.
I'll take one tier of recolors like in the season of discovery if it means a future
of cohesion.
And as you can see with the new upcoming models, it's not like we won't be getting a ton of
random recolors anyway, just like retail, or a five for every new piece of armor surely.
The only other MMO that has ever-
Yeah, Sean, thank you brother.
...in the world forever is trying to, is old school Rinscape.
And I have played a lot of old school Rinscape.
It's a game with a hyper-critical community that throws a riot if the studio making it
Jagex removes a missing pixel from a skill icon in the UI.
And then-
Jagex removed the green pixel on the construction logo.
Why was this not pulled?
When will Jagex author- authoritarian reign end?
Bro!
The old school runescape community makes a reddit post over a green pixel being removed
Right like that like if it's always been away like been a certain way. Oh
My gosh, I actually love that. That is hilarious
Literal a green pixel being removed. Why was this not pulled? I love it dude
Holy crap, um
Right, so like, you know, obviously this is quite an extreme example
It's funny, but yeah, like really though,
if there's something that's working and it's like there,
and it's like, okay, you know what?
Like, hey, that art style cohesion, it's like,
ah, buh-bah!
Okay, I think we've really, I mean,
there's only a few minutes left,
but I think a lot of us are really on the same page,
and for the people that don't care about it,
I hope you can still respect that like,
there's a lot of people that do,
and cohesion's still important,
even if you like the new stuff, right?
Jagex adds it back.
They do not fuck around over there.
And because of that, they have retained the art style that has become one of the most
recognizable and beloved in the entire medium.
No high-res textures, no incoherent clashing of art styles.
It's retro, even more so than classic ever was.
And yet, it still gains new players, and yet, it still thrives with over 3.5 million subscribers
as of recent reporting.
Using a solid, charming, consistent art direction trumps a conglomerate of disparate, barely
coherent, high fidelity assets any day.
With the community's guidance, they keep the good and the bad while enhancing the game
in meaningful, transformative ways.
On the worst day, Forever can feel like playing a janky mod or private server in no small
part because of how incoherent some of the visuals are and will be in the future.
It's still a good game.
There are plenty of stylistically unsound and solid games out there.
But it can be so much more if we actually use the opportunity to change it for the better.
Put bluntly, it's okay to have standards.
It's fine.
You are the one paying for the product.
You're allowed to criticize it.
This is not an argument of changes or no changes.
Everyone who is playing forever wants changes.
That is what we signed up for.
This isn't an argument of pro or anti-retail wow either.
Retail can have its vibe, its own vibe.
Why do we need to start homogenizing these games?
Why do they need to have the same vibe visually?
The only other success story in this space clearly hasn't felt the need to do so, and
I think I speak for most old school MMO players when I say that graphics aren't king.
Fidelity does not instantly create immersion.
That doesn't inherently make you believe a world.
And the world is the main character, right?
If it needs to be anything, believable seems like the thing it needs to be most of all.
The issue I have with the Skyborne isn't that they're blue or made up.
Frankly, I don't care.
If people care, that's fine, that can be their battle to fight.
But my problem is that they look completely out of place.
You know, as Detoggle, wearing this weird mishmash of retail wow-styled armor, bulky,
gaudy, and deeply immersion-breaking.
Just look how bloody-
Dude, TheoryWise is just spitting facts this video, man.
And just to be clear, like, because I see some people saying like, well, if you just
want to play classic, go play classic, you're missing the point right over your head.
And TheoryWise just said it, right?
It's not about whether you prefer this one or that one.
It's about that cohesion, right?
Does it feel like it belongs?
Not which one you prefer.
And of course, everyone wants changes.
That's why we're playing classic plus, right?
Classic forever, sure.
We all want that, right?
We don't want to just be playing the same thing over and over, but it should look like
it always was meant to be, not copied from retail.
So very, very, very good video.
What elves were introduced in TBC, equally gaudy in the lore, but each new asset remained
stylistically congruent with the game they were added to.
And before I get told to go back to Classic or whatever, listen.
The entire point of forever, and Classic Plus in general, which forever objectively is,
is to create a permanently growing, evolving, and additive version of Classic or Era.
Should I play that again for some of you guys?
Like, I mean, I could just replay that sentence again if that over your head because that
is the point of this.
After all, Blizzard said that themselves.
Okay.
I mean, that is the whole point is for people that love classic, but feel like, okay, we've
done it a million times.
Let's make this thing last forever now by adding a new content.
That is the goal here.
Okay.
Wow already exists and is played again. Okay. Okay. This is for you guys that you know, maybe didn't get it the first time
You create a permanently growing
evolving and additive version of the classic or era
Retail wow already exists and is still being updated with new content all within its new visual style
Classic does not have an alternative to that. That's the point. This is that alternative finally
The Warcraft is its aesthetics, is its style.
When you close your eyes and think of the world of Warcraft, I doubt the first thing
that pops in your mind is handing in a quest or pressing the auto-attack button.
It's probably an image of the world.
The gloom of duskwood, the serene autumn of red ridge, the parching heat of the barons.
These are locales that define your journey.
They train them through stylistically bizarre and out-of-place assets is a horrible precedent
to set, and I simply do not see enough people talking about it.
And those who do essentially get dismissed by a hugbox toxic positivity or get lumped
into a totally imagined, completely non-existent, no-changes crowd.
criticizing a video game.
True, like I'm that guy.
I've been calling this out for like from like day one and people are like tired of
me saying it like czar we hear you stop saying the same thing.
I'm like, guys, this is important.
And then it's just like, well, go play classic then.
It's like this is like, dude, what are you talking about?
Like this is important to bring up, right?
It really is very important stuff.
In art direction is totally normal.
This is an audio visual medium.
you can like the gameplay and still find issues with the art that truly do make it a worse experience,
that make it far from perfect. Criticism, when done productively, is good. That is the only
reason forever is even getting made. It'll also be the only reason it remains good or even great.
And it's all based on what we've been hearing from you. Forever exists because the team soaked up
many, many years of ideas and passion for Classic Plus.
And for that inspiration, we wanna thank you.
Our ambition is mighty, but most importantly,
we have room to pivot based on community feedback.
This is a community project.
Blizzard has specifically asked for community feedback.
This is feedback and it is extremely important
in my opinion.
At this point, I'm not sure if we'll see any changes.
It just kind of seems like this is where we're going.
I hope so.
Desperately hope that the people who made this game a reality,
the players of classic who spent almost a decade waiting
for something like this, don't lose Warcraft again.
38 minutes of straight facts from TheoryWise. Wow. Wow. Wow. A couple people asked if they
could get the video link over on YouTube and Twitch. We'll give that one a thumbs up because
you guys want to share the video, like the video, stuff like that. I will send it over
on YouTube and Twitch. This is a great video. I think this video is worth. This is definitely
worth sharing too. One sec.
Okay, sweet. I mean, that is worth the watch. Holy crap. There it is. Once again, once
again, guys, if this stuff doesn't matter to you, that's completely okay too, right?
But I still think it's very incredibly important guns. Thanks for the gift of tier one two
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Please take 15 seconds and tag a friend in this somehow. Yeah. Yeah, definitely
once again guys
Constructive you can be positive with constructive feedback. It doesn't have to be this like
You know hate thread of stuff right theory-wise was generally pretty objective and positive here wasn't
Too much besides that so I thought the video was great. So, uh, you know, you can be positive with it
Man there's so many videos I want to watch but guys were
Closing on like two hour two and a half hours of being live. I haven't played yet. So we're I think we're just gonna play the game
We'll have more videos to watch tomorrow in the next day. In the next day. In the next day.
You've got mail.
Alright.
Rough stone nice
Very very nice very very nice. Okay, let's put some stuff in the astronauts
I mean, I'm down to do a poll you guys want a poll of what what what kind of poll do you want like do you care?
about graphical cohesion and classic forever is that I guess sure we can do
the poll do you care about I guess artistical artistic cohesion and
And plastic forever
Artistical
My guess is will probably like 5050 right like some people will care and some whoa and that's fine
That's fine. If you don't care totally fine like I said
Okay, well it's 80-20 but it's probably because everyone who doesn't agree already tuned out.
I don't know if it's really 80% of people care, but still, what I'm trying to say is
like I recognize that my chat is probably pretty biased here, because I've shared my
opinions and we just watched a video on it, and a lot of the people that disagree probably
already tuned out. So I'm acknowledging bias here and the 80% is probably a little on the
high end. But still, I think that does prove that there is, I mean, if you don't care,
that's fine. But like it's still a very big deal to a lot of people, right? It's the wording
of the poll. That is literally the discussion we're having is the wording of the poll. If
the wording of the poll bothers you, then you probably missed what we're talking about.
is that is literally what we're talking about.
That is literally the whole video
was about artistic cohesion.
It's not about which one you like better.
If the wording of the poll bothers you,
then you missed the point of the video.
Straight up.
Um, so 78% said yes, 22% said no, but like I said, I acknowledge bias, so it's probably
closer to like, I don't know, my initial guess was 50-50, but it's probably a bit higher
than that, a bit lower than the pole.
more in the middle is probably reality um okay i want to see the river glades today i want
to collect my all of my mage books for the ring and the neck like in sod but I
also want to get a new cloak. What do I want to do first? The ring and the neck
books get a new cloak? I guess those are the two big things. And then yeah then
alt time. No criticism allowed. Yeah, no, I liked in the video. Like, I think criticism
is really good as long as it's positive and constructive. Um, books, what are those? I
actually haven't found any yet, but apparently they're all the same mage books from Season
of discovery or not are they made a mage only no maybe not
criticism is okay only if he agrees with it I mean if I disagree with
criticism then I'll explain why I disagree
I don't think of this, but I could agree that it could look very off, yeah.
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What are you planning on doing tonight? We have a checklist of getting a new cloak.
I don't know what cloak I want, but like I want a better cloak than this one
We want a new neck and a new ring from the book exploration, which I
Don't know where the books are. So we're gonna have to figure about that
I want to check out the news on river clays and then I want to actually PvP haven't done much PvP
I want to like do some duels. I haven't even like done that yet, and then I want to make an alt
I don't think we'll get into all of that today
What is the book thing? I don't know guys. Where do you find info on the books?
Someone said uh there's one down here maybe.
Riverclades? Yo what class next? Maybe Warrior looks fun or Pali?
You guys are linking something hold on. Only subs to link one sec.
Are they the same? The map covers 19 folks, 15th and 12th steps, 4th from a higher level.
Turn to any 10th in the necklace for the ring.
You need one more to get from level 35 to go further below so there's one and so others all around the world. Oh cool
Oh sweet
Okay, yeah, I'll take a look I'll just yeah, we'll just do a little world tour and in fact they're the the sod books
okay, so I've collected all these before but
I um
You know, haven't in a while. But what's kind of cool about this is we get to actually run around the world for once
If anyone wants to run around with me, I could get a little little squad of people
To collect books together with if you guys want some of you whisper I don't know if we want too many people but having some might be fun
It's a long journey. Yeah, that's okay. I want to do it. I don't mind running around the world
anyway. There's a lot I haven't seen so we might as well go on the journey. You think they'll do
dual spec yeah yeah they they've already confirmed dual spec
okay so the first one I'm gonna get is Hall of Explorers
Let's see what they even look like.
1k gold for dual spec, hopefully it's not that much.
Oh yeah, look it's like sparkling a little book over on the shelf.
Man, it's been a while since I did this in sod, but I kind of like the idea of like giving
you reasons to just run around and walk around the world for like some cool stuff.
Oh, yeah, and then inside I think you turn it all into the mage, dude
I don't know if it's still the same turn in
The next one I'm gonna go to is elwin. I don't know if I'm gonna do this in like the best order
But that's okay. We don't have to like min max this thing
There's a librarian turn it into okay cool
Do you think they should implement progressive level caps in forever?
Uh...
They're kind of fun, but no, I think it like people love to just like binge wow and level and you know
Like when classic era was launched like no, they shouldn't despite it like being pretty fun
How was mage doing in forever, I think it'll be good man. There's there's things that needs work with
But overall like it's fun. It's mage. It's classic era mage, which is awesome
I think the the biggest problem it has right now is like endgame PvE rotation
Or even just like dungeon rotation is pretty simplistic, but it looks good overall
That's the guild of a tabard. Oh, no, I was gonna do that, but I forgot I'll do it later today remind me
There's 14 mage books, I think it was 20
Which class seems the most cracked? In terms of cracked, I did. Stop it. Every class is going to get buffs in there, so not going to answer that one, but in terms of rotational complexity, I don't know, like Paladin got a lot of new stuff, it seems cool, right?
Um, war, affliction warlocks the gossip hunters.
People seem to be really happy about, um, I think shot a priest looks fun.
Warriors always just look fun.
Rogues look a little simpler.
Mages a little simpler.
Um, what else?
I haven't looked too much into shaman.
Um,
try to think of else.
Why not teleport to Stormwind?
Definitely coulda.
definitely should a shoe I was rogue simpler you know just just in comparison
to a lot of other classes the rotation is pretty one-dimensional
rotation shouldn't be complex it's classic yep yep I agree with that I
think it all classes should be in the like a similar situation where they're
in that three to five button complexity range. I completely agree.
Level of Shaman in the beta? Dude, I have so many classes I want to level man. So
many classes.
It's engineering, still a PvP requirement.
I don't know yet.
It might still be in the sense that nades are just so good, but like I'm actually tailoring.
This is just a lot of really cool tailoring items.
Zard, stop trying to go against the grain.
This is 2026.
People just want to know what the best class is.
Oh my gosh, I told you guys the other day that I am not gonna stoop to that level, right?
Like, there's no way.
I don't want to do that.
Like, that just isn't me.
I want to be more objective about things and think about things and think about how things
might be able to be interesting in some ways or maybe they're a little too simplistic or
maybe they're a little too complex and let's have nuanced conversation because that's what
we do here.
to
I'm probably gonna do this like really inefficiently, but whatever it's about the journey
What are the books for you turn them in similar to sod where you get like a bunch of
Like you get a necklace of a ten turn ins and like a ring with 20 or something
Trying to invite as many as I can.
Are you in a raid group?
Just for you know, if other people want to tag along for fun.
This is why I watch you.
I love the nuance and love the chill, family friendly vibe.
Keep it up.
Thanks man.
Yeah, like, yeah, I love the nuance too.
I think the beauty's in the details.
So those are the conversations I love to have.
Not what class is the most OP right now at level 20 and a beta, but you know, a little
deeper than that.
Keep sending out more invites.
It's on mid Paladin.
What race is the best and why is it torn you really I did in terms of ratios
I think torn might be even on the weaker end, but I think there's like multiple passes for
For buffs and nerfs there man the world looks
Looks even better with fog it's my fog off
Wait did I turn my fog off here let me double check
I don't know I have it on and I think I just have it maybe on low or something
A couple more spots.
If you can pull buff dwarf racial, they seem pretty unimaginative.
I don't know, I don't know.
I do know that they're like looking at racials.
It's gonna be multiple more passes
with the balancing of ratios.
Like it's definitely like, it's happening, right?
You know, I'm a gnome.
I would assume Eureka's getting nerfed, right?
Like I would assume there's some that are gonna get buff.
Like I think the idea is to have them in a similar strength.
You know, but you know, we'll see.
I think there's one up here.
I don't know where it is, but I think it's somewhere in this tower, probably at the top
if I'd to guess.
Make another character, I think I will later today or tomorrow, oh nice, it's right here.
I see sparkles, here it is.
All right, we'll like wait just a second for everyone to,
oh my gosh.
You have to get it one by one.
Oh, great.
Oh, nice.
Affliction, we're like so fun to play.
It looks awesome.
I'll wait like a second here.
I think realistically we'll have like a train of people though.
A lot of people are still making their way.
The next one I'm going to grab is in Duskwood, and then I'm going to move to Westfall.
Doing the book quest?
Yep, yep.
This is the second book we have.
We need 20 of them for the ring.
It's a really good ring though, and I, you know, need to test it out.
And a good necklace at 10.
I can actually show them, show you guys give me a sec.
This is the necklace you get at 10 books,
and then this is the ring you get at 20.
It's crazy strong.
So, I love stuff like this, like stuff out in the world.
Especially with no like flying mount too,
you just have to like kind of run there.
You need 20 and you get both I believe, yeah.
This takes like six or seven hours? Nooo.
This is probably gonna take like two hours.
There's no way it can take that long. Oh, you were trolling? Okay, okay.
Is that mage locked? No, any class can do it.
It took summit all day, but that's summit.
Alright, okay. Um, actually we're going the wrong way.
Sorry.
Well, EU and NA stay united, no.
That's just for the beta.
Are you talking about Summit, the world first beta player?
Yeah, absolute legend, by the way.
a marker on yourself. Okay.
Guys, there's a brand new update to the classic UI forever add
on that gives you an option to have the bronze forever theme. So
this is normal. Wow. It's more like silver. But you can
optionally go with the bronze theme. So like it's outlined in
bronze over everything. So it feels still like new and
different, but obviously very familiar. It's like, you know,
same UI. I actually think it looks kind of cool. Yeah, like
Bronze around the backpack, Bronze around the frame here, Bronze around the spell book.
Yeah, that's sick.
Yeah, it's actually kind of cool, huh?
So I turned it on.
I just saw that in the update this morning and I was like, oh, nice.
Like I like something like that.
No, I'm not just playing this because I'm Bronze League.
Hey, Talty!
Hopefully they fixed add-ons tomorrow.
Can you show your talent tree?
Yeah.
Imagine you're this level 11 and you're just a raid.
So keeping that Eureka icon the same?
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the icon, either.
Can you show your professions tab?
This is what my professions tab looks like with the add-on.
If I click any of the professions,
it just uses the old profession book.
By the way, I don't even know if I'm gonna be using this add-on
when the game comes out.
I might be using some lighter weight stuff,
but for right now, it seems to be working
and like a lot of other add-ons aren't working
so I'm like, whatever, bro.
I'm sure I'm gonna change up my add-on situation
when the game comes out.
They will implement Odui 100%.
I mean, I hope so, but I don't think 100% is a very, yeah.
I would say it's like a much lower chance that happens,
But we'll see, bro. I hope you're right.
Um, so there's one over here.
Somewhere.
I don't know where it is.
Uh, does anyone see it, it's around here, it's around here.
Oh, it's down in the crypts, underground.
Oh, cool.
Oh
This one might be hard good thing we have a raid
The fog is crazy the fog is always crazy here, but now it's even even cooler than normal
Yeah, it looks it looks awesome, dude
Second raid was for me for him by a guy zombie exploder is making a second rage is following
us around his name is zombie exploder just normal normal spelling
Someone pulled more let him okay, okay boys buckle up. Oh
crap. Oh crap. Oh crap. All right. Oh crap
Yo, we need it. We need some we need some tanks. We need some heels
Gonna dial this dial it dial it
If you're a hunter kite it out bang bang don't die here. Okay rip bang bang down. All right Cole. It's on you now Cole. Oh
My gosh guys. I'm a mage. I'm doing nothing every everything is a resist good thing. We have a raid group
I thought the Raid Group would be for fun, but this is like highly mandatory.
Yo, Thorval is tanking. Everybody keep up all the healers on Thorval.
Yo, whoa, we're actually owning. Thorval, you're a level 17, you're a beast, Thorval.
There we go. Well done. WT. All right, now let's move down in here and I guess there's a book at
the other end of the hallway somewhere more like it more like I'm rated world first and
I'm sure someone's done that what are the books for for fat loot ink nerf Pali comments
true I don't know where the book is I mean I got this inside I should remember
it's got to be around here somewhere out there it is yeah like none of us get hit
these things unless you're like a hunter. Let's just kill all of it, man.
Brah, who's looting? Oh, goodness gracious. One loot at a time, classic hype. Classic
type who's loading is level 20 match right now it is but it's going to 30 next
Thursday how can I get into the guild anyone in the guild can invite but we
Oh nice, I got it. I'm gonna wait here and just give a second for people to either get here or loot it up
In fact, I'm gonna go to the restroom
I'm gonna be right back and then just give people like a minute to loot this one and we'll go to the next one
Thursday next week next week
of
Let's do it. Next up we have Westfall. I don't know if Westfall is necessarily the closest, but
like I said, I don't know if it's a perfect Minimax way to do it, but whatever. We'll go Westfall.
Let go.
Westfall hype Westfall hype. What are we doing? We're getting the major or getting the books
Is pyro in classic? Yes. Are you not afraid to get burnt out doing so much beta?
No, not really. I mean if the beta was to level 60
I would have that feeling but just doing fun cap stuff at level 20 isn't what we're gonna be doing anyway
This is just fun kind of like sod
There's actually two in Westfall.
Next Thursday will be Chitra.
I have no idea.
What are the books for?
Gear?
What's the name of the classic UI?
I don't know.
Classic UI forever.
Got to say, World GDP at 20 is actually fun.
Yeah, it's just like season of discovery or a little bit like it.
Um...
Good morning, LA, good morning.
There's a ring and a necklace.
I think there's another one around here, guys, so...
Try to figure out where that is.
Somewhere around here.
Somewhere.
People saying they found it in the inn.
Nice.
Alright.
All right, no mish-tome right here guys sentinel hill
Did you say a peachy sex week, I don't know
Oh TTS is off my bud. What do you use to manage your stream? I use stream elements
Preventor says 40 months time to get my mount by the way, when are you gonna make your first alt in the beta today or tomorrow?
There's a world still feel dangerous.
Yes.
Wins the next giveaway soon.
Okay.
I'm going to give everyone a sec to grab this or at least most people.
No quest for this.
When are you hosting the rogue council?
I feel like I need to at least level the class to 20 before I host a council.
So maybe I'll level an alt and then host a council on that alt and then level another
alt and then host a council on that one and then kind of go from there.
and
Okay, so we're going to go to the one in Moonbrook next.
If you're still looting this one, it's fine because there's going to be a wait at the next
one too.
So as long as it's like a little line like this, this is actually okay.
Like a little train.
Ah, the chat has finally returned to normal.
I think a lot of the trolls have left now.
This is nice.
What do you get for the books?
We get some fat gear.
I'm still here.
Oh.
Ha ha ha.
Ah, crap.
Okay, so the next book is Moonbrook.
Somewhere.
I don't even see it.
Oh, it's right there.
I just followed a few days ago.
I was at YouTube Andy.
What's up, man?
Welcome in.
How do you know where the books are?
Someone gave me a link.
Forever Changes Pro?
I don't know
Have I pre- ran into any performance issues. Yeah, lots of performance issues. Okay, so everyone's getting that
I'm gonna wait for people to get it
There's wetlands there's locked modon
Silver pine tears fall dark shore barren stone talon or them are strangle thorn
There's one in strangle thorn
Probably should go strangle thorn while we're down here and take the boat over
Okay, yeah, let's go let's go strangle thorn
Since we're already down here
I think the best thing is run strangle thorn and then we'll take the boat over and start hitting things in Kalimdor
And then take another boat over and hit the rest
They said this is a single-round PTR with the protection environment so many people
trying to get in I would bet there would be performance issues.
Yeah, no I think there's like an actual performance issues too not just a lot of players but that
might have something to do with it.
Hey, Zarr, why do you want mages to be more powerful?
I don't.
I never said that.
Don't put words in my mouth.
Okay.
Memory leak confirmed earlier? Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Well, I mean, it's definitely a memory leak because the longer you stay online, the worse it gets.
And then you re-log and it fixes it.
But fake news is fun.
Ash, thanks for the prime.
Man, so little did I know you actually do need a raid to get all these books because
how else would I have gotten down into Duskwood and like how else would I have been able to
get to Stringlethorne Vale?
I'm trying to think.
We could swim through the river.
I think just going on the road is probably going to be...
Yeah, let's just go on the road because people are gonna die if we try to go down the river through the mobs
Thank you. Yeah, no, let's just go on the road
You can do slash console gx restart instead of relocking for the memory leak does that work guys slash console gx restart
No, no, no
Yes, yes, no
Yeah, I'm gonna go up to the road and then run down to us trying to turn oh
Dude, there's a
There's two two horde players out here three horde players
Guys this is this is how it feels to be alliance this past week like it's just like you're outnumbered by like 30
And now we return the favor I guess. There we go. Okay. And we move. It works sometimes
but it's a toss up. Here let me try it. So my FPS is 35. I did the console, GX restart.
And now it's 22. It made it worse. Guys, what are you linking me?
Oh, now it went up to 35. Okay, not doing that again.
I think it's done for a beta where they want us to test the CL.
I think that might be happening. We'll see. Like, like, Blizzard knows that this is an
issue for testing. So I think Respex, we'll see. We'll see. Hopefully tomorrow on the
patch they do that.
Confirmed, alt at 4 stops the memory leak, although it might have some side effects.
Okay, true.
Patch tomorrow, isn't tomorrow the patch?
The new build?
That's what I thought.
There's a patch tomorrow and then the next week the level cap increase the 24th.
Yeah, it's tomorrow, right?
Is there still a second raid following us or is it just one raid?
There might be two raids.
Yes, we are back here.
Who's the leader of the second raid?
So there's a- people saying there's a second raid, let me do it.
Cause people- more people want in.
Apparently we need a third raid.
This guy says...
Wait, yes, yes.
Yes, me, me, me, I am solo.
Yo, LouTV, he's solo.
If you want an invite to our layer
to get all these things, whisper LouTV.
I just volunteered you, bro, sorry.
L-U-I SpaceTV.
Your third raid leader now.
Okay, there we go.
Nice.
Poor guy, yeah.
Did they add focus for him? They did, yeah. Oh!
This guy's name is Absolute Shad. These poor horde, they were running away from Alliance
and then ran into us. Shoot!
Focus frame not in my classic plus
Okay, so this thing is like midway down like over here somewhere
This one actually might be kind of hard to get but definitely gonna need some gamers
Get the flight path. Is there a new flight path up top?
That's news to me.
Zenny, thanks for the prem.
No.
Okay, so for a lot of these mobs, guys, we can just run by.
We are going to have to kill some eventually, so.
We'll see. Yo, Griffles, thanks for the prem.
How much HP do I have?
1147.
That's with buffs though.
Graphco, thanks for the prem.
What's going on here?
We're getting some books.
Did you upgrade your build from yesterday?
I want to respect that it's too expensive so I'm going to wait until they reduce the
cost.
I think I'm going to take one point out of permafrost and put it into frostbite, and then maybe one point out of frostbolt or permafrost and put it into leprecision, but just like shift a couple of points.
Would zoom to my plan? I don't know, just kind of like around here.
Crossfire! Thanks for the prom, dude.
Oh! Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Legend.
Legend, legend, accidental accept, uh, yeah, whoops, um, I don't know if anyone knows what
this next one is, but it's definitely somewhere around here.
Uh-oh, Marloks, keep running boys, keep running, keep running, keep moving!
The old UI, I'm using this add-on called Classic UI Forever.
I don't know if I'm actually going to use this when the game comes out, but it seems to be working well right now.
What I might do when the game comes out is just download an add-on for the unit frames in the CAS bar.
Because I actually like the new minimap and the new action bars quite a bit, so...
What a beast.
I think the big two things that I don't like, y'all, thank you, bro, is the unit frames in CAS bar.
So I might just download an app like more minimal add-on for both of those. I'm not sure yet
Or maybe I'll just keep with this one. This one's cool too. It changes everything to the old stuff like the quest log
the
Talons, you know, it's like complete ogee
So we'll see
Is this a belated birthday gift? Of course it is. Yeah. Yeah, I think it kind of goes without saying, you know
does anyone know does anyone know where this actually is good comps good comps I
think it's like over there wait no it's hard to tell
the basilis cave second Samuel thanks to the prom Alex a thanks to the prom she
He has four, thanks to the prom.
Crisp, thanks to the prom.
Um...
Okay, so I think it's still just like down this way
What's the patch updating so tomorrow I think though it would just be a new build so bug fixes
Bob's nerves some classes might get nerve some classes might get buff new talents
It's like it should be like a straight-up patch next Thursday is increase of 30
It'll be cool man. This is the first balance patch. We pretty much ever had on classic era like how rad
Okay, let's see what's locked in here the basilis cave. I don't know what the best way to get to it
Master Lock, thanks for the prime. Can't wait for more complaining. People will always complain,
you know. People will, will always always complain. There's a Basilisk here. I wonder if we take,
Like, do we go in that way?
It might be in there, guys.
Is it in here?
It might be in there.
I think it might be in here, guys.
I'm not sure.
We might need to kill these.
Let's start killing these.
This might be tough guys.
Definitely need some heals and tanks.
Why are we in Stranglethorne?
Apparently there's a book over here.
Miss, Miss, Miss. Miss, Ms. Ms. Miss. Miss, Ms. Ms. Ms. Ms. Ms. Ms. Ms. Ms. Ms. Ms. Ms. Ms. Ms. Mas Ms.
Ms. Ms. Ms. Ms. Ooh, I hit a 43. Who is crying more? Warriors, Druids or Mages? What class is crying
the most do you guys think? Probably Mages and then Rogue and then Warrior? Druid, really?
Druid really you guys think druids I
Have been deep diving the druids yet, but like feral got a step moonkin rotation looks fun and viable now
And I haven't looked too much into rest over there like wild growth don't they what what's wrong about druids?
I feel like the rotations on druids look fun. They got a lot of new stuff
Cat form just sucks it's like we're just not
It's around here somewhere boys we have to open our eyes oh there it is there it is research
notes okay guys everybody focus up on killing the mob okay form a single file line I'm stuck
Okay, I'm I'm stuck crap
Yeah, there's actually a lot of basilis we a lot of hunter damage and healers and tanks and I wish I could like hit these mobs
Man, it's really good we have like multiple raids for this.
Alright, let's give everyone a minute to grab it.
If you already have it, just move to the side.
Everyone else just spam click.
stay on top of it.
Okay while we're waiting for this one let's do a giveaway huh?
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
Forever Hype 2 in the chat for the next giveaway.
This is for the $80 Collectors Edition, which comes with a Beta Key Warcraft 3 and Skyborne
It's this right here collect collection edition warcraft forever
That's what you're potentially winning forever. Hi two in the chat. It's gonna check it out
Good luck have fun
Forever hype to
Right to
You have to type forever hype to in the chat
And then the next spot we're going is
Crap there's so many of them. I think the best one is let's go let's take the boat over and booty Bay
There's three in the parents. Let's take the boat to ratchet and get the parents ones
Okay, oh cool. Thanks, bro
Let's give everyone a second to get this and then just keep moving
There's one near there's one right there. I don't think there's another one
Yes fire here oh campfire, okay
Oh
Savics raid. Thank you. Sav appreciate it dude. I
Hope you had a birthday birthday gift. There it is. I hope you I hope you had a good stream and we're doing a giveaway right now
So perfect time to raid if you type forever hype to in the chat you guys have a chance to win
the collectors edition of
World of Warcraft forever the $80 value is sky born Warcraft 3 which I still need to play it all the way and
beta access
if you guys want to have a chance to win just type forever hype to in the chat and
Good luck at fun. We'll roll it here in a minute
Okay, so we're going to just keep running down and around.
Down and around.
Down and around.
Hopefully I'm not missing any, so I think we're going to take the boat to Barrens.
There's like a couple in the Barrens and then there's one in Stone Talon.
can get after Barons. I mean they're all over I I don't know the most effective
way but let's go Barons and the Stone Talon I guess. So booty bait are out yet.
Okay well pick a winner so we can stop the chat spamming in just a second here.
Oh hey look Zardu is here from yesterday. What up man? I'll put you on follow real
quick all right we'll roll it in five seconds here guys you don't have to be
a sub okay I mean yeah you could suffer for you but you don't have to be a sub
all viewers on YouTube oh I should have said this maybe I'll give you guys one
more minute on you guys youtubers out there this is a twitch only giveaway and
not because I don't like you guys on YouTube but because I need a way to
message you guys if you won so if you're on YouTube I will give you a minute to
Just tab the twitch type forever hype to in the twitch chat
So you have a chance to win and then we'll roll it give you guys just another minute
On twitch I can just click the winner and message them. It's really easy on YouTube. I don't have a way to message you
I'm still seeing you guys type forever hype to on YouTube unbelievable
Oh
Does swallow has one as well. Okay, so we could do like baron stone Talon
Does swallow
Okay
All right, we'll roll it in just a sec here. Good luck. Have fun guys
beta key plus collectors edition
We're rolling it in five four. I'm lagging game three two. Good luck guys one
Congrats to dark horse
How long have you been following for dark horse? It's still upload updating. I mean you are following the stream
GZ dark horse. Are you a human being or a bot be honest with me dark horse?
If you don't reply we're gonna have to reroll here. I've watched you for years
Okay, okay, what's your favorite moment that you've watched over the years mainly on YouTube?
Oh, he just came over from YouTube. Oh cool. Well, thanks for the follow on twitch
What's your favorite moment over the years just so I know you're not a bot if you've been watching for years
What is your favorite moment you've seen guys don't attack you're gonna get hit by the guards?
Good luck
Guys don't attack the whore you're gonna get owned by the guards. I won't be able to save you
I'm waiting for Dark Horse to reply on his favorite moment over the years
Double Thunder Fury finding was nuts. I don't know haha. I just like watching your PvP fights
Okay, so he's an Ochi YouTube viewer, huh?
Huh?
Okay, okay.
I mean, yo, guys, we've done a lot of PvP on YouTube over the years.
Guys, everybody, let's get the flight path.
If you don't have the flight path, let's get the flight path, because it's good to get
flight paths, so we don't ever need to make this run again.
Wait, I'm trolled, oh it's this way.
Flight path and we'll go on the boat to ratchet.
That's a bot?
No, it's not.
Dark horse, prove to me you're not a bot.
Okay, we got the flight path and boat time.
I never win anything thanks.
I don't have a specific favorite moment.
I think this guy's legit.
Oh, the boat's there.
We gotta go, we gotta go, we gotta go, we gotta go.
We gotta go.
Everybody on the boat now, quick, quick, quick.
Oh my gosh, some people might miss the boat.
I guess it's fine though,
cause we'll have to wait for people anyway.
Aww yeah.
How can I prove it go watch my channel.
Alright, this guy seems legit.
I'm gonna send you a message.
Congratulations.
Yo yo.
Check your Twitch DMs bro.
Alright, through there.
Sweet sweet sweet. All right. GG GG. GG. GG.
Stop the boat. If anyone missed the- oh, it looks like everyone got on actually.
If anyone did miss it though, it's kind of okay.
Because there's gonna be such a long train anyway.
We missed two people. If we have summons that could work too.
Yo, uh, thank you bro. Thank you. Thank you.
My favorite moment was when you hit 99 woodcutting. Thanks, bro
It's our using a custom add-on it looks like classic but with the forever colors. I'm using
Classic UI forever with the bronze forever theme. It's pretty cool
My favorite moment was the searing ghoul death, yeah that was very unlucky.
My favorite moment was you dying to two green mobs, very unlucky.
Wow, I can't believe you guys just killed the horde like that, it's kinda nuts for how
prime nowhere thanks to the prime get shrap thanks to the prime bet thanks to the
prime owner thanks to the prime deck thanks to prime obi thanks to the prime
f7 thanks to the prime active thanks to the two and don't thanks to the prime
just fun thanks to the prime if I miss yourself thank you very much guys
massive crats there we go big big wait so you have like a two and a half year
as well, huh? Or maybe close to three? That's high. That is high. Alright, let's get the
flight pass if we don't have it, guys. And then let's go up to... there's one like...
is it in here? Yeah, it's in here. Okay, so if you... once you get it, guys, just run
out. And if you miss the boat, this is your time to catch up, since we'll be here a few
minutes anyway.
Favorite moment is our variant, Kiting the Giant to Booty Bay.
That was a big unlock moment, and I realized you could do so much cool stuff in a while.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
And now look what we have.
What are you collecting?
all the books out in the world.
Pseudo, thanks for the prime.
It gives you some gear.
Necklace and a ring.
Lexi, thanks for the prime.
My favorite moment is all the times you beat Peekaboo.
Well, which one specifically? There's a lot of them.
Nice, I got it.
I'm gonna...
I'm gonna get out of here for a second.
So there's two more in the Barrens.
Let's get the North one first.
Guess we'll go to Stone Talent after it. Yes, we'll get...
sludge fine one okay so we're gonna go I don't know if we can
maybe we actually can go that way yeah we'll go this way all right so we're
gonna go we're gonna go up north next we'll just wait for people have you
visited the new forever zone not yet I'm gonna go later today
Sleeping bag quest next. Oh, I forgot about the sleeping bag quest
Shoot, yeah, yeah, I probably will do that next I want to do this and I want to get a cloak then like get some enchants and like
Check out the new zone and like dual and world PvP
We'll see
My favorite moment was BSing while you jumped around shot on the special tiger waiting for arena queues, bro
You're an OG viewer if you remember that. Wow
That's like
14 year old viewer right or 14 old not year old 14
Followage 14 years of viewing. Yeah
Remember when you and your wife did workout streams? Oh, yeah. Those were fun too. I think
almost everyone has it. Okay, we can probably start running if you're still getting it.
That's fine. We're going to make our way to the next one, but it's okay that there'll
be a line since we'll be waiting at the next one anyway. Back when you were at your old
spot with the black paneling dude yeah that was my last apartment that apartment was actually legendary
we had some good streams out of there
i've been at this house now guys for six years we moved in in 2020 it is 2026 can you believe
that we've been in this room for six years i was talking to shannon about that i was like what the
What the heck? Six years?
Feels like we just moved here.
Move faster, gnomes.
Work, work.
COVID time dilation? Yeah, the whole, yeah, exactly, very weird...
era. Like, what's going on?
I can't believe Kai is almost 3 already, I know, it's nuts.
Yeah, I live in Tucson.
What's the rate on your mortgage?
then I think we got like 2.625 or something 2.6 yeah crazy crazy yeah and you know no
no cap I remember talking to my loan officer and I was like or the the mortgage person
and it was my you know first house and I was I was asking her I was like so is 2.6 good
because like should I wait to see if it gets lower or like like I had no idea and
she's like yeah I've been doing this for 30 years since the lowest I've ever
seen it I'll say all right let's send this where do I sign oh yeah I had no
clue I had no idea
Good thing you didn't wait. Yeah, then they just like kept going up. So
Hope he locked it for a lifetime. Yeah
We
Yeah, it's it's a lot. It's fixed
Although we do plan to move at some point. Yeah, I would actually we were planning to move like a while ago, but
Housing markets weird. So we I went like we don't plan to stay here
It's supposed to be even more temporary than this, but it's been six years already, man. It's crazy
Gamer thanks for the prong
where do you want to go I mean assuming I mean I don't know bro like assuming we
stay in Tucson it would just be moving houses because we have family here you
know being near families a big deal but I do think we will move states one day
but not any I don't think anytime soon but I do think we will move states one
day but I don't know but yeah no I was just talking about moving houses to
somewhere with basically like like a stream room separate from the house is
like kind of our big goal I think as Kai gets older and as you know if we have
another kid then like I would I would like to have my stream room I don't
know if you guys follow Quinn but he has like a basically a separate like
stream area like that like finding somewhere to do that we don't have a
I'm picking up that yard to build one, so...
No, that's... the shed? No, it's not...
It's not gonna be a shed, it would be like a guest house.
Honestly, like next time we could probably start moving to the next one even sooner because
it's like, like everyone just like catches up anyway and then we have to wait anyway.
Okay, so the next one is somewhere around here. I think it's at like I
Think it's like up here guys. I don't know this is so cool. There's like so many people out here doing this though
Man, I love it. Oh, maybe it's up here
It's sludge fan
Yeah, they might be on the top of that yeah
Yeah.
Flesh Bay, thanks for the sub man.
Have I tried T-Restful yet?
I've not.
Make easy, thanks for the T1.
How do you know where the books are at?
Yeah, there's just like a website and we're just kind of going around trying to find them.
They're the same books from Season of Discovery, so I actually already collected these like
a couple of years back, but I love it man, like I like that you have to like walk around
and then collect all these things, like, pretty cool.
Okay, so the next focus right here.
So once you get it, just stand outside
so everyone can get it, and then we'll wait a little bit,
and then we'll move to the next one.
Don't stand on it, guys.
standing standing on it it's gonna make it so that no one else can click it we
could stand to the side. Guys is it mage only no wow actually got it there nice
I'm gonna stand here for a minute strategize our next move it's another
one in Barren's and it's another one in Stone Talons we'll go Barren's Stone
talent. There's one in Orgammar. I don't. There's one in Thousand Needles. There's one in Dustwallow Marsh.
Do we actually need the Orga Mar one is that do we actually need that one
No, okay because I was gonna say that's that's gonna be rough
Okay, we can start slowly moving to the next one.
So there's one here, one there, and then one in Dust Wallow and then one in Thousand Needles.
So I guess let's just go all the way down and then take the boat over.
Oh, thanks, Ben.
We got some lunch here, too.
Okay, so I'll go down and over. Yeah, I think this will be good. You getting the ring? Yeah.
I
Have I tried proof, Brad? I feel like I have once. Maybe not, actually.
Um...
Well, why don't we avoid the crossroads? Can we get through there? I think we can.
I prefer rice over pasta, and why?
I like rice better, but I still eat pasta.
I think rice, I feel less bloated after eating personally, so that's why I like it.
Rice your potatoes rice in terms of how I feel yeah, I still like rice the best I do I eat potatoes though
I'd all types all types of potatoes oh
Ziko thanks for the raid sorry I was eating lunch. I just completely spaced out. Thank you very much Ziko
Alright, next ones have 46, 36.
I'm gonna do another class today.
I don't know if I'm gonna have time today,
but I might do a new one tomorrow.
What class am I least excited to play?
shaman I guess but it's not gonna shaman's look bad it's just I don't
really like play shaman very often
when the shaman in our 8 is like whoa whoa whoa
okay so this is somewhere over here 46 36
I think it's the cave before the dungeon entrance, okay.
It says the Gladiator Shaman.
I thought you hit Gladiator Shaman.
I did, but it doesn't mean I liked it.
I could be a gladiator shaman but still not really like shamans.
Poor guy.
That's brutal.
I don't know where this is guys.
Is it up?
Is it?
I'll show you.
It's inside?
Okay.
Deep inside the cave
Man, I love doing stuff like this though, man. I just get it out in the world doing stuff. Wait, why is everyone going that way?
This guy's name is Ford nice Ford Pali is his name
Can't believe you've got the name of Horde Valley.
Are you acting to read the chat? It's going so fast.
I have gotten some practice, Sean. I just picked comments out here and there.
How many subs to move to Colorado?
No amount of subs on that one, but I've been to Colorado once-ish, maybe twice.
And, uh, but I haven't spent much time there and it looks beautiful, man.
Looks awesome.
What's my last name in the game?
It's prime.
Is R U prime?
Like a prime like a prime sub.
I like no one knows where they're going.
So we always run up here for no reason.
It's somewhere around here. Oh, there it is. All right, so we'll just all get this one
and then move on to the next one. Have I been to Europe, Germany and Greece? Yes.
If you did move out of the state, would it be to San Diego?
We love San Diego.
We love San Diego.
I don't know if we would necessarily live there, but it is great to visit.
It is so fun.
It's insanely expensive to buy a house there too.
I mean, stupid, stupid prices.
We actually did look into it because every time we go there, we're like, this is just
the best.
I love the beach, the parks, the weather, a lot of health and fitness scene there too.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, we really like San Diego.
How did I like Germany?
I love Germany, man.
We went to Cologne as Americans say, Cologne and it was a fun time, it was a fun time.
I actually want to take Shannon, it's been like a year since I've gone, I was reminiscing
on it like this August because we were right next to the, was it the Rhine, the river there
and it was just like so nice and it's like runs are along the river and the food was
good, the bread was amazing, it was a fun time.
I was only there like, I was like,
they're less than a week though, so.
Did I go to the cathedral? Of course.
Yeah, yeah, the cathedral was awesome.
The cathedral is, we can probably start moving to the next one
in stone telling guys.
The cathedral is the coolest thing architecturally
I've seen in my life, which isn't saying much
because I'm American and we don't have like,
I've also never been to the East Coast,
so it's really not saying anything.
I've been to Greece, you know,
like there's some cool stuff there too,
but like that cathedral was like,
just like mind blowing, man.
It was so cool.
That's why I was like, I wanna take Shannon there,
cause I think she would really like it.
Yeah, it took like hundreds of years to build it.
Imagine building something that you knew
your kids wouldn't see and your kids' kids wouldn't see,
finish and your kids kids kids kids wouldn't see finish like such a long-term mindset you know
doesn't make it harder being in a giant raid like this some of the
folks are hard to get so it's nice being in a raid
okay so we're gonna go to the stone talon one and then there's one in dust wallow and
and then 1 in 1000 needles and then after that I don't know where we're gonna go
we'll have to strategize
I think there's someone this side of the world so we'd probably take a bow
Diane G thanks for the problem
book hunting man book hunting ebb thanks for the problem
It's for gear guys, you get some good gear from it.
I actually didn't think it was gonna take this long.
You guys were right, it's definitely taken a while, but it's all good.
This is like, this is perfect.
Um, okay.
Um, okay.
We need 20.
I have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.
So, see what happens.
Am I worried about burning out before the game releases?
No, because like, so I'm level 20.
These are not things I would even normally do at level 20.
Like when the game comes out, you're not going to like try to grind level 20 bits, which
Which is why like something like sawed or beta is fun, because you get to do something kind of cool, new?
It does look kind of new, doesn't it?
And I think that is new. It has to be new.
Yo, Cypher, sending you some love, man. I know that's not easy.
There's guards here. I mean we can definitely go around so people don't die. I think you
just go around like this. Kill them? I don't know if we can kill these guards. They're
level like 60 aren't they? I mean you guys want to just run through huh? Alright I
mean they're going I guess we're running through guys I guess we're running
through okay alright good luck there's only one guard pulled in the front yeah
Okay, nice easy. Oh
Okay, okay couple more pull just keep moving don't look back if you're a hunter or pet you could maybe tank for us that first guard
Never killed the druid. W
Hopefully doesn't kill anyone else on the way back
Guys, we just saved ourselves 30 seconds with that skip hype
Unless someone dies
Dude the parents guard is still chasing that dude. Oh my gosh
Yeah, Tom thinks of the front
Dude the parents guard is still chasing Lou Lou run, okay nice. He's turning back
Okay, so there's one in Stone Talon at 74.85, like somewhere up here.
Oh, we all got layered for a second.
looks like we're good now.
this thing alone wait you got all of them alone how did you get the one in
duskwood in the in uh or the one in stranglethorne veil alone
that seems really impossible
you corpse ran for eight hours yeah
by lying? Yeah, like some of them seem like pretty impossible alone.
Hunter pet makes it easy alone. Okay. In my defense, I was gonna do this alone, and then I said,
hey, does anyone want to tag along? We could do it together. And then now we have a couple hundred
people running with us. Okay. It wasn't my goal to get a couple hundred people, but it's rad.
I'm not complaining. It makes it way easier. But my goal was to do alone.
You actually need all of them? No, there's definitely some you can skip, right?
Did I cry when last monk died?
If I did have a tear, it wasn't like... there wasn't like a lot of tears.
My eyes might have been watering that day, but it doesn't mean I cried. I might have just been like
You know a little water on my eyes
Nice we found it good job team
team. Good job, good job. Grim totem post. Alright, so everybody just click on it and
then move to the side when you're all done. And then next spot we're going to, I think
his dust wallow and 1000 eels.
Dude, legend.
I cried in 2019 when Classic Era was going to launch.
10 or 20 man raid if you could choose.
I like both, I like that they're doing both.
You cried?
Yeah.
Big deal.
Guys, don't stand on the book.
Guys, don't stand on the book.
Go to the side.
Whoa, whoa.
Easy Rider, you're a guilty.
Yo, Easy Rider, that's your warning, bro.
You're in our group, I'm kicking you.
Okay.
gracious. Alright if you get it just move to the side. We'll give everyone a second
and then we'll do the next one. Is there an interact bar? I think you could probably
keep mind it, yeah. Please watch the Novel Lore video on forever. Oh my gosh, I didn't
know we had one. Let me see if I can find it. I don't have time today but I will add
Add it to my watch later, for maybe later in the week.
The new Skyborne Elves Explained Wow Forever lore?
Is that the one?
Or the World of Warcraft Forever timeline explained?
We can start making a train on to the next one we'll go
You guys are sure we can skip the Orgammar one right so we don't like come all the way back
Okay, so we'll go Dust Wallow and the Thousand Needles.
The Dust Wallow one actually might be kind of hard, but let's send it.
You don't want Desilis?
Uh, that's a good question.
Hold on, let's think.
We are already in Stone Town.
I don't see one here for Desilis.
Oh, are you saying for the flight path?
Yeah, we do.
close. Is there one in Desilis? I don't think there is. No? Yeah. Only the flight
bat. Yeah, no.
As a Thunderaxe fortress. I like how like all these websites are like trying to
like find where they all are but there's one here if there's actually one there
and we're already this far for the flight path I'm okay to go get it I'm okay
to check plus get flight path then from there we can fly back okay so we'll go
So, Desilis will check the map pin, but no matter what, we'll get Flypath, and then from
there, we can fly back to Ratchet, and then get the one here.
Uh-oh.
Yo, XT, thanks for the five, man.
Wowhead got called up by Blizzard?
Yeah, I saw that.
This one has all of them and Tesla's is on there.
Yeah I do see it.
guys we're not even doing a giveaway everyone in the chat is having forever
hype 3 and we're not we're not even doing a giveaway you're like self reporting
yourself as a bot man
And we have the twitch staff in here again with the forever high 3 giveaway nice nice
I don't know why I would assume the other dwarf racial is supposed to make up for it
I haven't like deep dive on racials like all that much.
Don't ban me.
I, if I could ban a Twitch staff, I don't think I even can.
Guys.
Can you invite my sister as a replacement?
Wait.
Oh, kick you and then invite...
Okay, I think...
I think I got it.
I think I got it.
I think I got it.
Cool.
Think I think I got it. I think I got it. Cool
Guys we are not currently doing a giveaway I
Repeat we are not currently doing a giveaway you bots. This is not a giveaway right now
We're gonna do one later, but but we're not doing one right now. I
Don't know why people started spamming out of nowhere
We're not even doing a giveaway
I think the bots are trained to recognize the word giveaway and when I say giveaway they
they just start spamming things.
It's all good.
It's all good.
It's all good.
I'm gonna go crab an apple.
I'll be your patch one step guys.
I hope we have an apple in the refrigerator.
I'm gonna put who do I trust to put on follow pull powers. I trust this guy. Oh
My gosh, he already has me on follow
What the heck okay, I gotta pick someone else then
Launch or talk I trust this guy
All right, I'll be back on second
You're back.
about guys I was getting some water when I was AFK and I spilled water over my
shirt so you don't need to call me out for it I know it's there you know it's
there we all know it's there but we don't talk about it'll dry in a minute
right good no it's water okay technically it's coconut water I was I was
drinking a sip of coconut water from the fridge and I just uh you know I got an
apple too except this apple is a little more mushy than I would like.
Cranny Smith is like normally pretty crunchy but they're kind of oh no I
Why the paper towel? It's not this again. Oh my gosh, not this again, guys.
Please, no.
Please no.
Um.
Okay, we're gonna go, yeah, we're gonna go.
Celeste and we'll fly back and then there's thousand needles to and us walla
Hmm oh
So ten get good sobs, thank you mom
Wait you guys saw apples in the fridge or on the counter
someone said storing them in the fridge makes a mushy is that is that true fridge fridge fridge
yeah we do fridge as well I kind of like when apples are cold actually fruit in general is
better cold I think except bananas I think bananas are better warm well not warm but like room temp
I don't know a cold banana is pretty darn good too. Maybe every fruit better cold
Cold fruit is just really good
Cold fruit was my nickname in high school.
What what why?
What did it mean?
I
I
guys we're locked in here we got keep moving forward
We're gonna lock this in and dial it. We gotta keep moving. We're almost there. I'm gonna keep eating this apple
We got this. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. There we go
Good. Yes
Very clean. Yes. Good job team
Mm-hmm, yeah, this is good very good
Very very very good
This is not stream or privilege.
I'm sure half the people here have someone else on autofollow eating apples.
I would assume that's the case.
Alright, so let's get the book first and then Desolism will fly out of here.
So book first.
Look first.
Might as well.
It's more efficient.
Stop normalizing eating apples with napkins.
I don't want my keyboard to get all sticky.
Sorry if you like a sticky keyboard, but I don't.
So I'll keep the juices on the apple.
I don't want my hands getting all choosed up, all right?
Hey, hey, man, if you like us, Jicky keyboard, don't use a napkin. Fun.
Just wash your hands.
But then I have to go AFK to do that.
We're min-maxing and dialing in.
down time on the stream every time we go A of K it's like water bathroom apple
napkin you know I'm saying
all right it's good
I'm gonna stand up guys. That's it. I'm standing up
What's my favorite kind of coffee I'm a I'm an espresso guy I do a double shot espresso every single day
You an apple with a spoon in a bowl. No, what?
All right, we're standing up man
Guys look I spilled water on myself. All right, this is a soap
Play like this for a little bit. Oh, yeah, it'll try
All right guys, we have to kill these burning plate add-ups. We can't run from this everybody pile it in
Hunters tanks healers a ease big down
Same height sitting or standing
Okay
Miss miss miss miss yeah mages are never really that good at killing high-level mobs
Hunters are hunters and rogues are always really good at like killing high-level mobs
Mages always just miss.
Many people fell behind in the charred veil.
Yeah, we can wait a bit here.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, there's a shrew that came out of nowhere.
I don't know where this thing is.
Has anyone done this one yet?
Beautiful.
Hey, Tsar, you spilled some water on your shirt?
Thanks for letting me know.
Are you gonna do a hardcore challenge your first playthrough? I don't think so.
I mean, you can transfer your character on death.
What I could do is start on a hardcore realm
and try to hit 60 without dying.
And then if I die transfer to the PvP and play normally,
I actually could do...
Oh wait, no, it's not on launch. Never mind. It's not on launch, guys. It's not on launch.
If it was on launch, that would maybe be an option, but yeah, no, it's not even on launch.
It's coming like six months later or three months later, like they said, winter, January, February,
something. Yeah. If it did, if it did come out on launch, I don't even know if I would do that
anyway though. Like the thing about hardcore is like, I love it, but when a new version of WoW comes out,
Like I want to die. I want to like, I want to push the limits.
I don't want to play afraid.
I want to like run in and like do crazy stuff and like see what I can do and test and like do stuff like this.
Like something like this I would be too afraid to do on hardcore probably.
Or like go in world PvP and run into Orgammar and die.
Like you want like, you know what I mean?
Like I think I would almost miss the experience of playing normal.
So even if I could, I don't think I would.
But later, I think it would be really fun to do that.
I just came in from the Arcane Missile Short, I'm hyped for that, little jokes on you,
vegan waffle.
It's a bug and it's being fixed, alright?
It seems odd to segregate the audience so soon as hardcore seems like a thing to add a year later at the minimum
When do you guys think they should add hardcore like there's a real argument that they could wait longer?
Yeah, wait like a whole year. I don't I mean, I don't know
They're already waiting by the way I
Don't know how long I
Kind of agree waiting longer kind of makes sense
Alright so let's just wait for people and then the next one we're going to is there's
one in Thousand Needles and there's also another one in Teneris in the pirate camp.
The pirate camp one might be really hard to get though.
The pirate camp one might be really hard to get, that is a lot of pirates.
Yeah, maybe I'll skip Teneris.
There's a Feralis one, there's an Azshara one.
Thousand needles will probably be pretty easy, so let's do Thousand Needles for sure.
After Thousand Needles there's also Dust Wallow.
I think we could probably do Dust Wallow as well.
So does swallow a thousand needles, two more there.
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven.
We're at eleven.
What is that on your shirt?
Goodness gracious.
Okay, I think we could probably start moving towards Desilis.
Well, actually, you know, it's actually a little longer because we don't want anyone
getting trapped in here and dying.
Just wait a tad bit longer.
Oh, is that everyone?
Oh, is everyone already done?
Oh, okay.
I think we're good then.
That was fast.
Nice guys.
Alright, yeah.
We can move to Desilis and then get the flight path and then we'll fly...
I mean, everyone should have Ratchet since that's where we came from, so we can go to
Ratchet and then down to Dust Wall if we want.
Oh, this flight path isn't connected, we'll see if it's not connected, that sucks.
How many books in total?
I think there, I don't know how many actually, there's more than enough though, I don't
We have to get all of them
There's one in Western plague lands like
Eastern plague lands
Lasted lands
Yeah, very very true very very true
Wait, did we miss one of the barons?
I think we did all three in the barons, right?
Sludgefen.
Wait, did we miss one of the barons, guys?
I thought we got all three.
Someone said we missed one of the barons.
Yeah, no, there was one in Ratchet, Sludgefen in here.
No, we got all three.
We got all three.
How can you handle a three to five fucking rotation on major if you can't handle a G a
lot of coconut water?
Those are the real questions aren't they?
Those are yeah that's true very true.
true. I belong. Okay, let's see if this goes anywhere. Okay, next. Okay, we're good.
Let me think let me just give just give me a second to think
Did we get the moonbrook one?
I know we got this one.
I don't think we got the moonbrook one.
Did we?
Did we?
Oh yeah, I know we did, we did.
Okay, so there's two in lock mode on.
Those are easy.
Here is fall easy.
One, two, three, four, five.
Wetlands six.
There's six more that should be pretty easy.
How many do we have?
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven.
We have eleven.
We need twenty.
So we have to go for some of the harder ones
crap oh
Darkshore is easy seven easy ones
Eight nine
Gosh ah guys
What's the best thing to do here
It's probably to hearth back and meet up in lock modon.
We get the lock modon ones and we take the boat up to like south shore and then we go
tiris fall, sylphur pine, sylphur pine.
And then we hit wetlands in a rathy.
That's probably what we do.
probably hearth. Hearth and meetup and Loc Modon is probably the play.
earth and send lock mode on yeah I don't know if this is optimal guys but it
is what it is at least it yeah either there might be a better way to do this
but if we go I'm gonna take the tram to iron forge and then get over to lock
lock modon and then after that we can make our way up and do like the wetlands one and
then do some tears fall ones, the brill one and then we'll reassess from there it'll probably
be take the boat over and do dust swallow and thousand needles and then be done.
We should do Lachmodan, Wetlands, Arathi and then Silverpine, yeah.
Yeah, just kind of move our way up, yeah, yeah, Lachmodan into Wetlands and then Arathi
one.
Yeah, I think you're right.
in my opinion, all of the non forever hardcore servers are gonna die.
I think if forever is successful, they will.
Yeah.
In a sense, the only way they live is if forever doesn't do very well.
Because we're gonna have hardcore forever.
And I think the majority of players will play that.
Who knows?
the
and
it already killed TVC I was looking at the player numbers this morning this morning for raids
and TVC
, that was last week
I don't I don't know I would assume I would assume it's just gonna like
completely plummet I have a lot of killies who stated they have no interest
in forever until hardcore launches I mean it's such an interesting like take
like I love hardcore I've played so much hardcore but on a new version of Wow I
I want to play it normal first. I really do. I want a PvP. I want to run into a city and die
I want to mess around and find out like that's part of the joy of
Classic plus, you know, and then I want to do hardcore to after so I mean, I don't know that's my take
I don't know. It's not like I'm a
Hardcore only gamer in the sense that like I'm just not gonna play unless it's hardcore
I'm probably not going to do hardcore until I feel finished in forever for a bit, exactly.
My warlock is still alive when you see him.
If you're playing a mage at launch, is it possible you're going to play mage in only
things three?
Probably not.
I would do something different.
I always like to do something a little different, so.
If I do mage at launch for my hardcore tune, probably something else.
Oh my gosh, I just realized I don't even know if I have the lock mod on flight path.
Have I been to Lock Mood on?
I don't think I've been to Lock Mood on.
I might have to run.
I am like pretty sure I've never been.
How's the neck doing?
It's doing a little better.
Lock Summon.
If we have Lock Summons, then that's great.
If not, I'll start running.
I'm going to double check.
Sushi roll, thanks for the prime.
Yeah, I don't have the flight path.
I'll start running, but if I can get a summon, that'll be cool too.
Fly to Menethil and start wetlands or take the boat to Menethil. You got the flight path
and you went to the understated.
Oh, there's actually two in Lachmodan and one of them I already have. I still want to
at the other one though. One of them in Log Modan is actually the same one as the one
you get in Westfall. Interesting. FPS bug still? Yeah, it's so annoying, bro.
I'm going to reload one more time before we leave.
Level 30 will be next Thursday, so tomorrow I think there is a patch tomorrow though,
a balancing thing. A lot of people are just running, huh? Oh, maybe that's a
flight path actually. What do I want to see in the balance patch? Arcane Missile Fix,
the Wand Fix, Hunter Fix, just bug fixes. I would like to see a balance pass for Racial's.
I would like to see something for like end game major rotation, but that's that's not happening
That's not happening tomorrow. I think hopefully the FPS bug fix the add-on save bug fix just bug fixes
I guess I guess the biggest two would be the
the FPS bug
The memory leak the memory leak bug and then the add-on add-ons aren't saving if you guys are trying to use add-ons like add-ons not saving
It's a big deal
Especially if you're an add-on dev
Those are probably the biggest to add on saving and memory leak and then like after that like a
more balancing for ratios would be good and then
Yeah, just other bug fixes like the missile bug and stuff
Clarity thanks for the prime that's what a betas for you know like this is always the case when you play betas
I get is what it is
Classic UI update? I don't think they're gonna do anything like that tomorrow. I would be shocked.
Imagine tomorrow there's a classic UI toggle.
Patch tomorrow brings flying mounts. Mythic Plus upgraded world models. Dark port opens up.
Jail revealed. Oh gosh, I... Oh, don't even... Imagine.
Classic UI is not the priority. I actually agree. As much as I want the classic UI, I actually agree.
There are more important things. There. I said it. Okay. It's a big deal, but you can get an add-on to fix it.
And there are more important things. I would like it at some point though. I would.
Look what wow post it on Twitter. Oh nice. We got a summon. Thanks guys. Good night folks.
Yo, good night man. Oh, let me get the flight path. Oh my gosh. I almost forgot. Okay, so
Ogres up here are where the book is. There's another one that Elsmarble already got it. If you missed the one in Westfall
you can get it in here too, but most of us should have it.
If any, we do have a couple spots in our group if anyone else wants to join as well.
Send me a whisper.
and
we might be full again but the other rates might have room I think there's a couple of raids
I don't know the names of the people in those raids, but.
Once we get to this book over here,
let's just wait a few minutes and see where everyone's at.
Have I played Haunts? I have not.
Have I created a tabard yet? No.
Oh wait, dude guys, we have such a long to-do list.
I do need to do that, so remind me.
We're on different layers now, what?
Are we actually?
If we're on different layers,
we might need to figure that out.
Layers are tweaking.
We need someone that is on our layer to invite the other raids over.
I can.
Oh, great.
Yeah.
This guy's name is W- thank you, bro.
His name is Wajyan Main.
Wajyan Main. He can make another raid.
If you're in the other raids on another layer, he can invite you all and you can go from there.
Why are you guys laughing?
Wajyan... oh we...
Did you stealth or did you get layered? I think you got layered.
You didn't take a group invite did you?
LouTV Raid is open.
LouTV Raid, are you on the same layer though?
All raids are on this layer, it's only our layer.
Wait, hold on, let's just chill here for a second.
If all of the other raids are on the other layer, I could leave, get an invite to the
other layer and remake this group on that layer.
Two.
I got pulled to the other layer.
their room. Oh crap. No, if I get invited, oh man, the layering is so troll. Um, one sec,
I'm gonna give a launcher leader here. And then leave. No, I'm still on this layer. I
I can get layered over, but then I can't invite all these guys.
Let me see.
Oh my gosh, this is so annoying.
The layering is so annoying.
I can invite to the other group.
But if I leave this now, I get layered back to my other layer, right?
Oh, no.
Am I on this layer now?
The other raid is here now.
Okay, if you were in...
This is the other layer.
Yeah, okay, so we're good.
If you were in my other group, send me a whisper and I can invite you guys all to this layer
and then we'll move out from here.
I'm here
Yeah, there's a there's like 40 people on the other layer though now
So hopefully yeah, so it took me back. Oh gosh guys
I don't know how this is what we were trying to do in world TP the other day. This is so
frustrating
We leave party. Okay, so now I'm back on this layer
Is there anyone not in a group who can infight others?
I can't be the one to make the group because if I do I get layered.
I tried and lost the layer.
Goodness gracious.
Oops, that was a duel.
I legit don't know the move here we have half the players on this layer and then
Okay, now on this layer again, goodness.
I think there's more on the other layer though.
Oh gosh, I don't want this layer.
No one's on this one.
Crap.
Okay, I want to go back to the one with the most amount of people and then we need to
try to just get more people on that layer. This one is the most. This one for sure is
the most. Okay, so Squeak. Squeak? Give me a- make this a raid and give me assist. Make
raid and give assist. This is the raid. This is the layer. If you can invite others, let
Let me know your name.
There's about 20 people on the other layer that need invites.
Squeak, I am going to make all assists, but I'm going to give you leader.
Hopefully this doesn't screw everything over.
Okay, I think we solved it, man.
I swear, for normal day-to-day interactions, the layering system works fine.
But when you try to do like streamer events and you get like hundreds of people in the same spot it is so rough
Okay, so my group's about to be full guys
Which means there should be two or three other raids here with a couple spots
Like we should have the same amount of people as before ish
Okay, so my group's full is there anyone that has room anyone with room in a raid
We have 17 spots. LouTV, whisper LouTV or five or six spots left in Sharon-E-Sher or LouTV.
And you can get on this same layer. And Sharon-E-Sher. Probably start moving. Continue invites and start
moving. Little janky but it works. What are we doing here? We're just farming books man.
They need to find a way to link multiple raids so they all stay on the same layer.
It's tough. I don't know. I don't even know. I don't know if they need to fix this. This is only a problem for streamers or if you're trying to coordinate, like, like a massive field event maybe, but this is like not going to affect 99% of the player base.
base so it's really a non-issue as much as it sucks like for me it's not it's
really like a non-issue. Did you see that auto-shot and one having no delays
unintended of being fixed? Yeah yeah I think that's probably good like the the
you don't want the pace of game moving up too fast as a mage of someone who uses
wand a lot like I'm fine with that you know roll rose thanks for the tier one man
Looks back full rest or should we rip side? I don't know. I don't look too much into
shrewd like theorycrafting. Do you see the new rain coming into the beta? I've seen rain
here and there I don't know if I noticed it was new.
Anyone still have spots?
I think there is still spots in a few of the raids.
Oh it's on Twitter?
new weather coming tomorrow oh my gosh all right i'll check that i'll check it in a minute
i haven't seen that
okay so there's one in here i think
I don't know if it's like over here or in the back.
Oh, on us.
Oh, what is here?
I just missed it.
Okay.
Does anyone have room?
I think there's a few more people that want to join, but I don't know if anyone has spots in their aides
15 spots and Lou it's still Lou TV guys Lou TV
Lou TV
LUI TV if you needed if you need to invite
This has to be the worst way to farm books yeah, and yeah, it's all good though
I'm stuck behind a wall and there's no unstuck menu.
You can wait for your hearth, maybe.
Okay.
I'm going to see where we're going next.
There's one in the Arathi Highlands and there's one in Wetlands.
I think we run up to wetlands and we run up to Arathi.
Well, wait a minute for people here to finish getting these though.
Oh yeah, let's take a look at the weather while people are getting more of these too.
Put a cloak on, increase weather effects, or come into a certain WoW forever beta zone
soon.
That's loud.
Dude.
Like the environment team like the water and the lighting and the shadows it's like yeah guys. Yes, this is amazing
But there's like so many other things that it's like whoever is do whatever team is on this is
It's just crushing it so much like they're going so far above and beyond like no one even asked for this and it's awesome
This team is is doing a great job
This is right this is right I
Like how they use the SD character models and all of the promo footage
W blizzard
Okay, W. All right, let's move to
wetlands than a rathy
I'll crush you.
We're just running around the world and gathering books slash exploring, I suppose.
Why don't you install Plater?
I just like the default ones.
Well, actually, I don't like the default ones, so I'm using an add-on to make them look like
the old default ones.
Yeah
Check out the top of the dam, okay
Do you miss your lung hair? No, I'm not really it was kind of annoying
Okay
I don't even have my graphics on the high settings anymore because I was like tweaking
things to try to fix my thing, my lag.
We could probably just jump down here, right?
I'm going wait that way that guy's gonna die
Don't jump guys. Don't jump. Oh
No, oh
God guys. No, I'm a mage. I get oh
That's not what it was supposed to happen
Okay, we're gonna need some res is couple people miss the jump here. Oh
Oh gosh
No, I did not bait that that's not on me someone else jumped in that I'm a mage
So I was gonna check it out and see how it was for you guys
Now I jumped and I knew it was bad
So I was saying don't jump and then everyone that did jump like that a hundred percent is not on me now
Good job guys though everyone that jumped into the water. That's what's up
We do need some resurrects for the for the dead though. That is brutal
Wait, how did the people that made it in the water make that jump?
That's a big jump.
Send your repair bill.
Uh, yeah, I think, I think Pekaboo said he'd cover the repair bills on that one.
Just send him some in-game mail, I'm sure that'll be fine.
Oh, jump number two, huh?
The weakest things went from and now we have an answer if Zard jumped off a bridge would
you join him?
This view is amazing let's see it.
Oh heck yeah.
Scale Vein Royal Guard Wow it looked like I was going to fall to my
death, and then I didn't.
Let's see if we can make this last jump.
Wait, where are we even going here?
Oh yeah, excavation site.
Ooh.
Oh, God!
Oh, oh, oh!
Go!
Oh, guys!
Oh, my gosh!
Oh, God!
Oh, God!
Oh, God!
Oh, God!
Oh, God!
Oh, God!
Oh, God!
Oh, God!
Oh, God!
Oh, God!
Oh, God!
Oh, God!
Oh, God!
gosh
I mean, I'm just a mage. I don't know if there's like a way to do this as a non mage
Terrible idea to do the jumps guys. We should have just gone around. Oh my gosh the lighting looks so good
Very bad idea very very bad idea to do the jump it would have been much quicker to run around
So we're gonna we're gonna just kind of chill and wait for the for them to run back
back. That's the move.
There's another raid that got layered again.
Should we just start doing the runs on two layers? Dude, I don't even know. It is so annoying.
Yeah, I do not have a Facebook page. It's the fake one. You could report it.
a different layer again. I'm trying to think of the best way to re-re-layer here.
Showback needs your help, dude. I think we have le- we probably have like an hour left of this.
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12,
13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18.
Okay, yeah, no, it's two hours, we had two hours left of this.
Wow.
Yeah, yeah, wow.
Real talk, I did not think it would take this long.
Real talk, I really thought this would not take this long.
Yeah, a lot of the people are resting right now.
I still kinda wanna wait for people.
He does not only spawn at night
people warn you about that yeah this is definitely more like a one-and-done on
And alts were definitely not doing this, but...
I do have...
Like, three spots in the raid if anyone else wants to come in, but...
We need to figure out a way to get that other raid on our lair.
Wakya main says I'm on the other lair.
Do you have room?
Oh, he's on the other lair.
Shoot.
We need someone on our lair that's not in our raid.
Like this guy.
Ozzy.
Aussie Hunts.
This Aussie Hunts, make a group.
Everyone whisper Aussie Hunts.
This guy's out of a raid.
He can be the other leader.
Aussie Hunts.
If you guys want, I'm on your layer, cool.
If you guys need a layer, Aussie Hunts is the guy.
He stopped running, but he's the guy.
He can get you on our lair.
He stopped running Ozzyons, you gotta keep running brother.
So we're going to the excavation site and then move up to our apathy.
Since guild bank is unlocked for forever. What do you think that means for SF hardcore guild found could be unlocked?
Keep up the good work my guy less than three
Gild found would be a cool option. I didn't think of that
Yeah
For like only things you could do something where you guild banks are allowed. Oh, that'd be nice
Yeah, very cool stuff there. I didn't think about it for hardcore like the implications pretty red
Where's the daily smoothie at it's usually not for like another hour
Okay, I see Hans is back I'm gonna ask him how many spots do you have?
Have you seen the rain trailer? Yeah, it looks sick
Should I eat my apple with a paper towel? Yeah
Ozzy hunts has 20 spots left guys if you still need room Ozzy hunts
20 more spots
Hello! Thanks for the bits! Equino, thanks for the prime!
You guys, I think you guys can hear Kai's having a little moment.
Same, yeah. I thought that was Pika, true.
Please recover the gold they stole from us. Are you talking about the auction house?
Why is everyone typing an N.Y.A.
Those are legit just bots. Did everyone, guys, you're all self-reporting as a bot.
Why are you guys doing the N.Y.A.? What the heck's going on?
This way for the excavation site. Guys, we're not doing a giveaway.
Oh, am I getting raided?
It's for Spain. It's the Spanish community. Oh, I'm getting raided. Oh, I thought you guys were boss
Wait, are you guys bots?
It's for Spain
Love to Spain
Argentina, okay, what's actually going on are these bots are we getting raided because I don't see any raid. I don't know I
Love from Spain. I am so confused. I
Am so confused guys
Spain Argentina
Can anyone explain what's happening I can't
It looks like the item is around here somewhere we do need guys we do need to lock in and kill these
This is gonna be raw
They kill us on me.
They kill us on me.
Nice work, squad.
Nice work.
Yay.
The Spanish streamers and community horde have a mega raid and are fighting show back
and they're coming to wetlands right now.
The N.A. is a symbol from a Spanish language to say we're here.
Oh, Spain is coming for you. Oh, they're trying to gank us right now.
Oh, okay, that took me a little while, guys. That took me a little while.
Alright, everybody get the scroll.
Let's wait for everyone else to get the scroll.
Where to next? We're going up to a raffy, but we got to be on the lookout
be on the lookout because Spain is out for us or something.
Arathi's up next.
The Spanish are coming.
Yeah.
Okay.
Does everyone have it already?
That was fast.
Buff up?
Yeah, actually good calling the buffs.
Wait, does everyone have it?
No one else needs it.
Wow, that was quick.
Was I like the last one there or something?
If anyone needs a layer, message.
Ah crap, Aussie hunts.
Aussie hunts for the layer.
Spelled the usual way, A-U-S-S-I-E hunts.
Oh he's right here, yeah Aussie hunts if you guys need him.
I think he stole some room on his layer.
And we're just gonna move up through a rathy guys.
I was trying Aussie sorry Aussie there's names right here on the screen Aussie hunts Aussie hunts
See this bag nice
Dude, there's so many things you could do a little 20 efforts. You're like see this bag. Yeah, like best-in-slot bags
Genuine question why does your game look bad? I turned all my graphics settings to like low
Basically to try to make my game not lag as much the game looks way better when you turn everything on ultra I
I just like my game was looking way better, but I'm trying to figure out how to get the likes I was tweaking settings
I could put it back, but
Yeah, there's some like memory leak and I was like it's affecting my computer a lot
I don't know about you guys, but like normally I'll play on like infinite FPS. So even the play on like 60 FPS is weird
Sounds like trying to figure out
It's affecting everyone. Yeah, it's brutal. Moa, thanks for the Prime. Memory leak is
a CPU issue, not GPU, so graphic settings wouldn't change much. Is that true? I mean,
Yeah I could definitely put some of these back higher.
The game definitely looks way better when these are turned up.
I mean instantly right away.
It's like holy crap.
But now my FPS is like even worse.
That's why I was like should I...
Oh my FPS is 65.
you smell the same. Be careful. You might see some HD textures. Guys, is this some weird
straw man argument of something that I never said, but you guys think that I said because
you misunderstand what's going on? Like, what do you mean? Be careful. You might see HD
is good and is gracious yeah so anyway I like these are graphics not even on full
these are on eight but like how good does it look now shadows are back actually
the one thing I don't like is bloom or bloom rather bloom is like the one thing
I actually just think doesn't look good like I even on high graphics bloom off I
I think it looks better.
Bloom just makes the game look like blurry.
I don't like it.
Na na na na na.
All right.
All right, we have next,
we're going to Witherbark Village over here
on the east side, guys.
Is the Spanish Inquisition cancelled? I don't know. I don't know if they're still coming for us or what.
Joven is coming for ya.
Alright, we'll see what happens. Guys, we're very peaceful like book collectors, man.
We're literally just playing for fun, collecting books. I don't know why you guys are trying to kill us, but
if you're trying to fight,
We'll fight, you know what I mean? I mean we're gonna fight it out, but like we're literally just collecting books out here guys
They they have literal hundreds of people the classic horde outnumbering us. Oh
Wow, there's a whole nother raid here
Hey, yo, I think that's a different raid
So we'll just go like this and then like cut across get the book and then cut back
Yo Iggy 50 gifted subs. Thank you very much. I don't know where Iggy
I don't know what I did to deserve that but welcome in and enjoy not watching ads and thank you very much
You rock.
Iggy says hey chat. Hey, hey Iggy. Thank you. You're the top gifter of the day. There we go.
Josh Stryfe haze with the raid. Wow guys people are really showing love today. Josh, I don't know if you're still here.
Thank you very much for the raid. I absolutely love the content.
Did you get your YouTube monetization thing figured out Josh? I saw that you were having some issues with that.
enemy pub in game wait are you are you next to me new blue post all right
check it in a sec I don't know if Josh is still here but thank you for the raid
Josh okay so we want to go like this away it's a true thing textures for some
FPS fix golden capitrate incoming oh we're on a g-cap there we go
Oh, projected textures disabled.
Okay, I did it.
I don't know if I did much, but.
LuTV has raid spots too, guys, sick.
Nice, nice.
Level nine golden capitrain, it's a little G-Cat.
All right.
LuTV has raid spots and Ozzy Hunts has raid spots, I think.
Dude, we have people out here
They want the book, huh?
Yo, this is actually just so cool.
Oh my gosh.
I love it.
Is there actually a new blue post too?
I'm so over-stimmed, it's ridiculous.
The increased weather effects, yeah, we just saw that.
That's rad.
Rad.
Rad, da, da, da.
Do you think engineering needs an overhaul in the future?
Um, maybe not.
Engineering might still be the best in PvP, it might still be the best for certain raids
like snap thread on tanks.
I think the idea is they want engineering to be good but not the thing that you automatically
always pick.
Right now, maybe we're at that.
I don't know.
We'll have to, like only time will tell.
A lot of the other professions got love, but that's because engineering was already so darn good.
Like, people have to really keep that in mind. Like, warriors didn't get that many changes,
but at the same time, warriors are kind of the gold standard of what a good class feels like
in terms of, you know, rotationally and strength. Like, it feels really good to play a warrior,
so you bring them up. You bring everything else up to warrior. You bring everything else up to
engineering you bring everything else up to the gold standard but the gold
standard you don't necessarily need to bring up itself because then you'd have
to bring up everything even more and that's power creep you don't want to do
that wow it's dark in here all right so we should probably start killing some of
these because the book is somewhat nearby I don't know where it is exactly but
it's around here somewhere I can't see anything guys it's too dark in here
someone hold me it's probably right there
There's actually like a surprising little amount of lag for this many players though.
Like surprisingly little amount of lag.
Okay, we want heals going out guys.
Heals and damage before looting because there's a lot of mobs and they're all high level.
We need to lock in here.
Kill first.
Yeah, we need everyone's help here.
Mainly the hunters and the rogues are the ones that actually hit.
I'm just spam missing, but still.
What are we doing? We're collecting books. We're collecting books.
How does my game work so smooth? I do. It's just, yeah, the beta, it's like, actually, it's so smooth.
It's nuts. There's, like, the memory leak stuff that needs to be fixed, but in general, like, this many players spamming abilities in one spot has never been this on laggy.
It's crazy, actually.
Okay, um, is anyone even know where it is?
Oh, it's outside.
Oh, it's right here, guys.
If you see it on screen, it's like a scroll right here in, uh, witherbark.
Wow, I gotta first try.
What are the chances, actually?
Alright, we'll let everyone loot it, we'll just chill out for a minute right here.
Tribulation, gifting a T1 sub, guys, we're on a Golden Kappa train, level 10.
Actually since we're on the train, we might as well give some subs myself so we get some
Golden Kappas here.
One second, guys.
sub gift five subs and now I have a golden kappa
well let's stay let's stay like somewhat tightly grouped guys because there
could be horde out here there could be could be a respawns it could be this and
that so let's just let's just give everyone a second and then say somewhat
tightly grouped horde ahead that's what I'm saying that's what I'm saying stay
tight. Next up by the way we're gonna go to... where we going? There's one in
Ulteric Mountains we'll go to next I believe. Yeah, Ulteric Mountains. It's the
next closest one.
Okay we're gonna wait on more people to loot that and we'll just kind of chill
here. Go to the flight path and fly to South Shore. Not everyone has the South Shore flight
path, so we could just run. It's not that big of a deal. Hey, love to the UK. Peebo,
thanks for the tier one. What are the books for gear, guys?
I know show back needs help, but it is miserable to get multiple raids on a new layer and we have everyone on the same layer right now so there's a 0% chance we're trying to layer hundreds of people.
uh track thanks to the five gifted bathing bear thanks to the prime bear another bear
thanks to the prime what's the goal here we're farming books for a year we have one two three
four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen we need twenty
so there's more in Hillsbrad
or Ulteric mountains silver pine oh crap
Probably don't want to hit that guy
Just run past him a silver pine under like tears fall
There's one in Western Plague. I don't know if we're gonna do that one
Yeah, I don't actually don't know where the yeah, we'll have to figure out where the rest of them are
What's the helmet from tailoring what gear neck in a ring
Where to trade books for gear? That's a good question
question. It's at the library or something? Is it the tower of Azora? I don't know. I
actually don't know where to turn them in. We'll figure that out soon.
Do-do-do-do-do-do. Top of mage tower. Oh, it's just a mage tower and storm went nice.
to
a sort of the solo when you did not have to say and having to get a little more creative to look at them successfully
otholder if you want a group invite we have room
Ruins of Alterac next yep
flight path
Here then running to ruins of Alterac. I think that's the best one
Are they doing mounts at 30 now?
Thanks for the bids. I'm frog from Austria. Yo, bloody like the vids frog go gone. Thanks for the gifted tier one. Y'all killed me
I'm sorry
40 for mounts as far as I know ace. Thanks for continuing your gifted sub
Who do we whisper for invite? LuTV. Leytv has raid spots. LuTV. Ozzy Hunts might have
some raided raid spots as well, but LuTV definitely does. If you guys want to join.
I was gonna do this solo and then a solo run turned into this. I feel like the longer we're
out here the bigger the train gets it's nuts
okay so we will get the flight path
After the flight path guys, we'll just turn around and run since not everyone else south shore let's just let's just run whatever
How to fix memory leak we cross our fingers and hope tomorrow's patch fixes it
any spots in the guild right now we're a hundred percent full probably need to make another
killed actually yeah someone wants to make a forever hype to we could probably do a forever
Hi too.
Did you see they changed cone back to eight seconds?
No shots where no, no way where you see you are you baiting me?
Check the tooltip at the trainer can you link it to me or do I have to go to the trainer
Bra guys there's no giveaway guys there's no giveaway going on right now man
Yeah, I'll have to check the... I'll have to check KonaCold.
to infinity and beyond.
Got a spot. I do have one spot in mind but UTV and Aussie Plunts should have room too.
Dude dude dude dude. Man, the classic was so fun. You could spend five hours just running
you're on the world looting random stuff and it's just a good time my secretly
asimovs no that is not me I love his videos though they're hilarious you can
tell who's watching the stream and who are just bots yeah the bots are the
people spamming forever hype to when there's not even a giveaway going on for
For now the spell looks like this.
Interesting, this definitely read 6 seconds yesterday, right?
Unless...
On the website it says 6 seconds.
I never looked at the trainer though.
Oh, no, it says eight seconds because you have permafrost, bro. Nothing's changed.
It's six seconds if you have permafrost talented, it shows us eight.
I don't know. I don't know. I'll have to do some more.
You are right. Yeah, I think it's a six. I think it's six seconds with permafrost. It shows us eight.
So I think it's still six.
You got me really excited, bro
I will run the south shore flight path just cuz and then we're gonna go up to Altaric Mountains
The next book guys is like right around here. There's gonna be elite ogres
So we're gonna have to lock it in dial and stay together or else we're gonna get smoked
And by the way, the golden cap of train is over. So there we go
official wow YouTube channel I saw the new weather it looks amazing
Who else is glad they fixed the channeled spells loss bug?
I'm glad.
Did they fix it already?
I mean it should be fixed soon if not.
Oh, I can't kick anyone since I'm not lead.
Give me lead though, because I don't want to mess with the layers.
Oh, no.
One of the raids got layered when we changed zones.
Oh, it's so brutal.
Man, so it's hard to keep multiple raids on the same layer
when you're going through zones.
That's kind of the big issue.
Like, if we just stayed in one zone it wouldn't be bad, but if we're running through the world
every time we go to a new zone it's like, screws the layers.
Uhhhhh.
Go help show back please, guys, we have like hundreds of people doing the book quest right
know. You know what, um, Aussie hunts raid, just keep running. Maybe we'll be back on
the same layer when we zone over to Alteric Mountains. Maybe Aussie's raid will actually
zone back to the same layer once we get there. Does everybody get the flight path if you
don't have it. Basic logic. Yeah, I mean, I'm maybe a work who knows. Good look. We're
here. Okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna keep running up and then see if we can see each other again.
talents here you go oh oh hey little PvP 188 I don't know if we need to go kill
these guys it's only like a small little band of horde
I mean if you want to kill him you can but I think we just keep running
Try to get this
Do this thing done?
Hmm anyone else the CD manager not working. I haven't tested yet
Let me see oh
Yeah, maybe it is
Oh, yeah, I think it might be.
I don't know which way, oh yeah, maybe this way.
Actually it would have been quicker to just go up, yeah there's definitely a quicker way
to get here about whatever.
Sign 10 not displayed and I wonder what are these buffs?
The only buff I want to see is...
Why is this so confusing?
Puffs, I see
Mmm, I see
What are these spells, I see yeah, I don't want to see like any of these
Just like procs
Yeah, that's good sweet
love the content I guess we can go this way here since wow came out haven't been able to
watch any of the forever mage play how are you feeling about it and how is the three
different specs feeling I think mage overall feels good thing that's bright that's very
bright snow. Oh my gosh. For PvP they're good, for dungeoning I think they're okay, for solo
leveling I think they're okay. My big concern is like end game rotation complexity. That's
pretty much my only concern to be honest. If we can solve that then I think I'm pretty
don't happy okay so it looks like we're about here 48 57 so it's probably in this
tower here and we're gonna have to really really help each other on these
brutes guys I would assume it's in this tower somewhere yeah we're gonna have to
help out each other on these brutes guys because these are somewhat high level
We have to tank and heal and deeps.
Oh, what?
I might need a buff or something here.
Goodness.
All right.
Heals, boys, on the tanks.
Heals on the tanks.
If you die, we can get reses too.
Guys, no looting.
Who's looting, man?
Kill the ogres.
Kill the ogres.
Kill the ogres.
Miss, miss, miss, miss, miss.
I'm gonna set a flame strike.
Maybe these'll hit.
We need I might I might eat a pop here. I don't know
Insane Bob, okay, let's kill all the ogres and we'll all loot it and then we'll all move to the next spot
Did the zero lag thing with this many players is just the coolest thing
contingency plan warded against
Damage taking health below 35. So cool. Don't freeze things.
Okay, well done squad. Well done.
Well done. Well done. Well done.
Oh nice we got a second try. Alright, let's give everyone a chance to get it guys. Next
up we are on the way to...
Let's go up Silver Pine, Sepulcher. We'll go Sepulcher, I think that'll be doable.
and amber mill sepulcher amber mill boom boom let's wait for everyone to be done
looting first and then go the sepulcher one didn't exist the other day when I
was there oh really arcane curiosities maybe it's a duplicate one it's not real
Okay, so I'll skip the sepulchre one
It's not there. Okay, let's give everyone a little bit longer. There's still one in amber mill though. Oh
It's inside the dungeon. Okay, so we will skip sepulcher
We'll go amber mill then. Let's give everyone a little longer and move up
Non-mage here what if there was a talent that made your arcane explosion be centered around your enemy and not you and each
have you used it buffed your crit I don't know probably just like too too much
okay um all right I think
we can get some buffs up or as is up
Okay, we're going to go Amber, Milben, Silverpun.
And then after that, we'll go up to Undercity.
And then after that, we'll see.
What's the goal here?
We're getting the books for the gear.
I just started playing WoW with a friend.
Nice, welcome in.
The blue drew forms are actually super cool.
I think people think they're cool.
they just feel a little out of place in the world, right?
What are your thoughts on the theory-wise video?
On point.
Loved it.
Seriously, on point.
Love your channel.
Thanks, Cheryl.
Where are you?
We're doing a little book gathering
with the stream today. What does the South Shore boat connect to? It's a three way between
Stormwind and
Auburn dine and south shore, right? It was like
Which is interesting
Okay, so we're just gonna go back this way guys and we're gonna go up through silver pine
Are all the raids on the same layer? It seems maybe like it, but it seems like we might have lost some people.
Oh, wetlands not dust wallow. Next is, thanks for the prime.
Okay, there's some people that died on other layers. We're gonna need someone to reinvite
you back to this layer. Is there anyone that can invite more to this layer? Anyone out of a group?
There's anyone out of a group or any space in a current group.
Either someone that's not in a group or if you are not in a group you want to make your
own.
That's what we're looking for right now for more people.
No idea what's going on.
We're doing books for gear, man.
Warrior's broken right now.
Yeah, I heard rage mobilization is kind of troll
So I need a pre-order to play the beta you actually do yeah, well unless you get a beta key
Every new area you get a new layer. Yeah, maybe it'll fix itself on this next layer
there. Then thanks for the prime man. We've been doing beta key giveaways. Oh yeah, there's
the spammers on the giveaways. Where are we heading? We're heading up to Silver Pine right
now we're going to amber mill and then up to tiris fall
I think they mean rage normalization on warriors like kind of troll like they're not getting enough rage from crits
They're not getting enough rage from keep being hit, but I don't know I haven't played a warrior yet
So I haven't been able to really tell
It's level 20 that's what I'm saying that's what I'm saying like it's level 20
Thunder armor is broken apparently. I would what how is thunder armor broken?
No extra raids rage from Chris probably it does sounds like a legit bug though
Sunder does zero threat. Oh really?
Hmm. Yeah, maybe that needs to be fixed.
So Sunder is doing no threat. Critts aren't generating rage. Sounds like just a bunch of bugs on Warrior.
We can go this way move up here. We'll hit up amber mill and then we'll go tears fall
Bear is the same for rage with crit so it leads me to believe it is intended.
Hmm that wouldn't make any sense. Why would you nerf crit rage if there's no
world buffs and you're critting less than before? We're back. Woohoo!
Wooo!
Woo to everyone layered back
Okay, so yeah, that maybe the best way to handle layering is just to do nothing until we run into the next zone
Because if we tried to get everyone on our layer and then it's not even worth the effort
Just keep running together pretend we're on the same layer and in the next zone will be back anyway
Yeah, we'll check out the clips in a bit guys
Okay amber mill amber mill oh these don't even hostile this this will be an easy one
This will also give people time to catch up res buff summon
Nice
If you get it, just move to the side and then we'll buff up and summon and get ready for
the next one.
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 books, boys!
Um, Tirisfall will be 17.
And those last three will be interesting.
There is one in Western Plaguelands, but that seems tough.
That seems like we're just gonna all die.
I don't think we can get that one.
Oh, there's one in Darkshore.
There's one in Dust Wallow and Thousand Needles in Darkshore.
I think those will be the easiest three.
Dust Wallow Thousand Needles Darkshore.
After this next one.
Yeah, let's do that.
Yo, Kirsten, thank you very much.
Can you even read the books?
Nope.
Nope, nope, nope.
Where to next?
We're going to Kira's Fall.
Brill. We're going to Brill.
Are we gonna be able to get in the Brill?
Wait, Brill might actually be brutal.
Because there's guards.
Oh wait, maybe Brill's not a good idea.
I forgot there's like max level guards.
Hmm people are saying it's possible. It's easier than it sounds
Okay, I'm down to try it. We're right here. Oh, thanks, man
Hi, is it broken your phone? Oh great
I guess, I got it through Shannon's phone and some water.
I thought iPhones were supposed to be waterproof.
Maybe you just need to try out.
Water resistance.
Oh, true.
Put it in rice.
Okay, I'll message her saying that.
Okay, I messaged show back saying where we're collecting books right now. So hopefully I said I can maybe help him in a bit
I do I don't know about Brill guys. I'm I'm sussing on the Brill. Oh
Show back off, okay
I
Explained the book on skies. I'm sorry for explaining the book on to every 30 seconds
But we got it. We got to explain it to the new viewers
Actually, this will be the last time we say for a bit that people ask maybe people in the shack and help me out here the book
You get 20 of them you get a good ring you get 10 of them you get a good neck
You turn it in the Stormwind library or in the mage tower, that's it.
Alright, now if anyone else asks, it's on you guys, yeah, you guys tell me about it.
I tried, people ask you instead, yeah.
They're really good stats, yeah.
insanely strong. Four shadow, thanks for the prompt, thanks for the two of them. Hopefully
we don't layer off. We're looking okay so far. Yeah, the rings are really strong. Forever
Forever Hype 2 is set up? Oh really? Can you send me a whisper?
Our guild is 100% full. We might need to get some officers in the second one.
I got it all ready to go. Forever Hype 2?
Oh, nope, now the bots are coming out.
Oh gosh, no, no, guys, oh my gosh, guys, no, bots, don't.
I'll just pour Warlock
Right
Good it's gracious moving through moving through moving through moving through moving through moving through
new guild just a second one this one's been full for a bit normally I only like
to do one guild but I think it's because it's EU and NA it's like there's so many
people man
I just drank a protein shake had some liquid cows
Ah, okay.
All right, trying to get a second guild set up right now sick
All right
So before we go in the Brill we're gonna wait for everyone
Because we don't want to go in one by one and die
In fact, we could probably just chill here for a second if we want
Is it gonna be worth doing this in the live game? No, cuz you're not unless you're like twinking at 19
This will be worth doing if you're like 19 twinking, but
Not besides that. All right, we can kind of like wait around here
Let's let everyone catch up and then we'll have to figure out where this is without actually pulling guards
10 books seems worth if you're just grabbing them while leveling, yeah, if you have the
game knowledge on how to get 10 that gives you a good neck, sure, but getting 20 isn't
going to be an accident. 20 is brutal.
Okay, I think we have most people here. Looks like the warlocks in the back are
doing summons. Does anyone know where this book is? Because we definitely don't
want to pull guards and all die. But we can kind of slowly move up.
Oh, someone might have pulled some cards, but I think it's like around here somewhere.
So apparently it's in here.
Haha, okay, yeah.
Well, can we do it without Guard Agro, or are we just gonna have to kill a few of them?
I mean, if all of us attack a guard, we might be able to kill one.
We do not want to pull extras though guys, if we can help it.
Yeah, I don't know, I don't know, um.
Yeah, I think we're all going to die.
Yeah, yeah, that's about what I thought was going to happen and the people were like,
Dude, it's not that bad.
I can't click on it.
Guys, we don't wanna stand on top of it.
We're all just dying now.
Yeah, okay.
Someone got it.
One person got it.
Nice.
Ha ha ha.
one guy got it okay well I'm trying to think of this is better to just skip it
Or if we should try so I mean everyone can run back
Trying to think I just found a book that isn't even on that site really where did you find it? That's cool
There's so many deathguards.
There's no way, bro!
There is no way!
Yeah, right, dude!
Pull one and try to kill it?
I mean, there's so many of them.
The weather updates look sick, yeah.
Wait a minute.
Guys, are we doubling back?
Someone's doing God's work here and they're pulling it out.
Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo.
There's no guards now.
Oh, they're coming back. Oh, yeah, they're coming back.
We okay, what we need is like a pallet like a like a hunter maybe that uses cheetah that
just pulls these and like books it that way.
A brave soul.
Oh my gosh. Okay. Okay. Okay.
Okay, now we need to get in there and loot quick
In and out we have a kite team kite team. Oh my oh, there's oh gosh. Oh come on
Don't stand on top of it. Oh God guys, I can't even click it
Where is it guys got a backup backup backup
I can't even see it, bro
Where is it, dude?
We're all dying in here, man!
I can't even see it, dude!
No one's looting it.
No one can even see this.
Interact key. Interact key works. Got it. Oh my gosh. Got it. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out.
I'm out. Guys, interact key. You have to keybind interact key and then just mouse over it. Holy
crap. Okay, we kite teams and then interact key gamer teams. This is going to be so hard to get
120 people this book. This is disgusting.
Oh!
Okay, I'm a kite team now. They're on me, they're on me. Go, go, guys, go!
Look at everyone at the campsite. What's up, guys?
Ah! I'm getting owned!
Go, guys, loot it, loot it! They're on me, they're on me!
As someone in our raid just says what's the book even for dude?
I like how you've been out here in our raid for like hours collecting books, and you're like wait. What's this for?
My gosh legend
Wait, why are you guys following me don't you guys all need to get it? I'm just kiting out
You guys can all go get the book right now. I have all of the aggro
I got it. I got it. We're helping you.
Oh, if you guys if you guys don't need the book, yeah, I
Have it I got it. Okay. Okay. You guys are all good then
Everyone that doesn't have the book now is your time to get it because all the guards are on us
We're just gonna keep running these down the road
You guys can get the book right now
Hopefully okay, we're out of combat so they might have reset
Um
How many people still need book
Okay, there's a definitely definitely a handful
Let's kite it out again for other people and see if they can get it now
Has anyone done the Western Plaguelands book like is that just a dumb one because there's
Yeah, I think there's easier ones
There's one in Darkshore that's easy. There's one in Thousand Needles that would be pretty easy, and then there's one in
Dust Wallow. I think we should do those three. Oh crap.
WPL is easy. It's at Scala. It's free. Oh, you can get the Scala one.
Oh, the Scala one. Yeah, let's definitely do the Scala one.
But there's two there's actually two in WPL the scholar one's probably easy the other one's probably rough
Okay, if you need the book
I'll try to get this guard off you guys
You guys can go loot it. I'll grab this one this guard here
Okay, I got this guard here
You guys need to go loot
Interact bind your interact key. I'll kite this one away
Wonder if I can just sheep this thing
Okay reset, I'll come back and pick it up again everybody just just spam loot it
There's might be a death card. Oh, okay someone kite those out. I'll try to get grab these ones
Crap it's might be coming in for you guys hold on
Yeah, I have two of them on me you guys go to loot it again you guys should be able to loot it again
I got both of these on me
Squeak they're on you now
Nice you guys are looting it. Good job. Oh
These guys are easy to tank they don't do any damage
Didn't you say you would be done at this quest in two hours. Yeah, does it's definitely taken a little longer than I thought
Okay, how many people still need it like I
It I don't know
Me I still need it. All right now now was your chance now was your chance wait. I wonder if we can just kill these
Hold on if you're a hunter to start attacking. Can we just kill these? They don't even hit that hard
They're like impossible to hit though
Oh, yeah, don't don't get hit by him don't know don't paint him bro. Kite him
Yeah, we sent those already thanks for the five men
Yes, yeah, do not only kite them only kite them do not get hit I just wanted like test like we actually just kill these
guys we have we have a lot of people sitting on this campfire right now and
when there is just pure pure war going on over here just saying like you can't
fire and he's like we're getting owned wait this is actually working to kill
them by the way just one at a time they actually do die it's just don't like
Whoever has aggro should be a hunter. Just keep kiting the rest of us can just start slamming
The the range guards don't hit very hard at all. We can actually just kill them
Cool now we just kill this one
You mean hunters can kill them we we
Let's get one at a time and then people can keep getting the book when they need
second kill this out be we TV okay if you guys want to kill to forever hype to
that's not a giveaway to guild you can message be we TV be we TV for a second I
I don't know why I did a raid warning of that, but BWTV.
Kill this low one now.
These are actually really easy to kill, surprisingly.
There's only like four left.
Done.
Does anyone need... books still?
There's two people, I think.
There's like two or three people that need it.
Who do we message for Guild Invite?
B-W-T-V.
I'll do a raid warning again.
are they are they just respawning we have one two three left for left
The melee ones hit harder, way harder.
to spend Skyrim if we need though they instant we need to move apparently they
instantly respawn let me check the book are these guys on following me yeah it
looks like a multi boxing look at this they're all following me
Ha ha, what's up guys?
I'm gonna see if the book is lootable right now.
It looks lootable right now.
If anyone doesn't have the book, like, go loot it.
You can literally just,
oh, there's one, okay, I picked up the one.
Oh wait, no, they all respawned.
Ah, curve, goodness gracious.
I picked up aggro. Oh, this is gonna be iffy. I might die. I'm gonna need a
bomber on dead. I don't even know if we should try killing these but now it's
your chance to loot. I think after this guys we're gonna get out of here. They
just keep respawning. Now it's your chance to loot if you haven't got it. I
just picked up the aggro and everything. I don't think we're gonna kill all these
this could take too long. Now it's your chance to loot. After that I think we
move Darkshore. The quickest way to Darkshore is Stormwind and then boat. And then we, after
we boat, there we boat to Theramore. After we boat to Theramore we...
Oh, Scalo, you're right. Scalo, Scalo, you're right. You guys are right. Scalo, I forgot.
Scallow because it's easy
Scallow next yes
Another month yo, gee thanks for the two one man
You can't turn scallow book in you should do scallow one for it. Wait people are saying you can't turn the scallow book in
Yes, you can
I did last night, you can.
Alright, Scala Book it is then.
Trying to think the easiest way to get to Scala Man's without dying.
Scala Book, separate book quest, but can turn it in.
Thanks guys.
Book explanation? Thanks Nappy.
There's a lot of people that are dying.
You could just take Resic and then meet us.
Or you could run back and try to be quick.
Uh, sepulcher, it doesn't exist, like it's, the book there, it doesn't exist.
I turned the Scalo book in 50 minutes ago and got my neck.
Okay.
So we'll go Scalo and then after Scalo, I think we hearth out to Stormwind, take the
bow and get the Darkshore one.
And then after that, we figure out how to get to Theramore and get the wetlands one
and then that's it.
And we're done.
There might have been a few people that didn't get the Brille one.
I'm sorry guys.
I think the longer we stay there, the worse that gets.
You know, Nappy, you could send the link to that clip a couple of times.
Yeah, there it is.
Thanks, Nappy.
Just check the clip, guys.
Are we still collecting books?
Yeah.
gonna be like one hour maybe two but this is uh definitely taking longer than I thought but
honestly I'm having fun so I don't even care but it's it's definitely taking way longer than I thought
I thought it would be like an hour. Second guild is BWTV. If you do slash who forever hype two.
Oh, it's an L's. Oh, shit. Someone else had the. Oh, yeah, BW TV has it. Okay, so this
This is going to be iffy.
I mean we want to get here, which means we just want to get here, this is all safe.
Honestly guys, I think we cut through the mountain into the water and then we're safe.
Yeah, that's what we do.
The road's going to be way worse.
We just kind of pushed through here, right, when we're in the water, we're pretty much
safe.
There's only a couple mobs between us and that water
Just a stick to like more the mountain side
Orance once we're in the water we swim to the other side and it'll just be a town
There might have been a safer way to do this but
Over this I
I can't swim well now it's time to learn once we are across the water. It's we're home free boys
Nice I don't think there's any more mobs. Oh the mobs can't even swim easy clamp
Cool. So we get the Scala book, we'll all run, grab the Scala book, and then after that
we'll, I think we all just hearth to Stormwind or Ironforge take the boat over Darkshore.
We get the Darkshore one, and then the last one will be in Theramore, and I think we can
take up the boat back to, yeah we'll have to figure out the fastest way from there.
I think if we can take like a boat and then take another boat and then take another boat.
I think yes, there should be boat boat boat.
Frostfire is three points.
I only have two in it right now, but I might respect if they reduce the respect gold cost.
Fastest is to get two books and WPL.
I think too many of us are going to die.
I think just going to Darkshore and getting it is probably easier.
Is there no double spec?
There will be a 40, I would assume.
Hi, how are ya?
Okay, flight path guys and then we'll...
Um...
Actually, can we get there without hitting any mobs?
Or there are gonna be a few mobs.
This will be interesting.
I mean we could go down and through the river.
That would be safe.
Let's see if we can get through the, ooh, um, I mean down and through the river is safe.
This might be a little spicy.
How many mobs is it?
Okay.
Yeah hunters do your thing hunter pets hunter slows
Let's go shouldn't be too many mobs and once we get to the water. We're safe. We're very close
This isn't too bad. Yeah, this isn't as is fine. This isn't too bad at all
I
Just watched summit run through EPL with no mobs aggroed at all. I see you're saying that EPL one is easy
Oh gosh, oh no people are getting picked off
Yogi don't die. I'm trying to get aggro from Yogi. Rip Yogi.
Oh my Frost Nova worked. I might have to save someone's life right there. Sick.
They're like a horde druid.
Yo, flute, face the front.
Not a single warrior in your group.
These bottom re-rollers, I can't believe it.
Is it quicker to swim across the bridge?
Look the bridge would be quicker, but people are swimming. I don't know
Maybe swimming was faster
Now swimming was probably way quicker here guys.
Forever hype too.
Lots of people in the guild now.
If you were a Thor and you'd be there by now, true.
Thor and OP for this.
Oh, no, he said it again.
Oh, gosh.
I love you, Zarpie.
We kiss our master brother man's.
Thanks for the T1.
I
Remember getting this and sod I think
Oh, it's down here
Okay, so we're gonna grab this we're gonna hearth if your hearth is Stormwind we're
just taking the boat to Darkshore if your hearth's Ironforge you'll have to come over
to Stormwind and then take the boat to Darkshore and then we'll get the Darkshore one.
Darkshore is a low level sound so it should be easy.
This is the 18th book.
Oh my gosh, bro.
Are you making the guild tabird today? Yeah, eventually.
Wait, it's 10 gold for a tabird? I mean, I have 11. I thought it was one gold.
Let's do EPL
There's a lot of people already heard I think we're gonna go dark shore and then
It's 10 G to make it
Wow, it's a lot of gold. I mean I have 11 gold, but I was gonna make the belt which is probably gonna be like five
Am I sticking to Ally at launch? Yeah, yeah. Dude, I like Alliance. I like Alliance. And
so they fixed the issue of 100 people clicking at it at the same time. So trolled they made
it clickable like this. Yeah, they need to fix that. Yo, thanks, Fulgrim. Appreciate
Oh wow okay guys I think we might have enough gold now to do a kill tabard at least in forever
I've won. Oh gosh, not that. Okay. Don't don't spam that. Okay.
to the harbor to Darkshore. We'll get the Darkshore book. And then take two boats to
get the Theramore one and then we're done.
What a journey.
What a journey.
Then after that I can finally play the game.
I can help Showback.
I heard he needs my help so after this two more books and we can help Showback.
You need a step tracker on I wonder if this is the most what's wrong with the most amount
of steps I've ever taken in a while in a single day.
Probably not because I probably just ran in circles and like a city before but I feel
I feel like this is like the most distance I've traveled in a single day on WoW.
Maybe.
Without just like running in circles.
Hero, thanks for the raid man.
The sleeping bag quest is a lot of steps too.
I mean, yeah, but when you compare it to this where we have literally been everywhere today.
Look how beautiful the harbor looks.
Oh my gosh.
Evicted to the entire world.
This quest is good.
Just not for 20.
Oh yeah, that's great.
No, I'm not complaining.
I love it.
stuff like this. So for the Darkshore one guys, I wouldn't worry if you're layered on
our layer or not, just everyone get there and get it. If you're on a different layer
it is what it is because it's like level 20, like low level stuff, so should be able to
just get it insta it's in the ruins like here I think yeah like here ish
Yeah, Nappy, you own. Thanks for linking that, man.
Dude, how sick is the Stormwind Harbor? I feel like this is such a good change, man.
The fact that on Alliance you could just go and take the bow and cross is the sickest
thing.
Cause like on Horde you go Org and you take the zap and cross, or you take the other zap
and cross.
I guess as Alliance you already had Menethal, but having this in Stormwind is so nice.
Does Alliance have better mobility now than Horde? Or does Horde even out? I'm trying
to think.
Horde travel is still better? Wait, what? I feel like... no, there's no way with all
these new boats.
But if there was a new Zeppelin between Org and Thunderbluff, exactly, yeah.
To kind of balance out the mobility on Horde, like a Zeppelin from Thunderbluff to Org.
And then you could take the Zeppelin to Undercity.
And then the Zeppelin to STV.
No Horde already has enough.
Is that like overkill?
There's a flight already?
Oh true, I guess you can just fly.
Why is it different on Alliance?
I mean on Alliance technically you don't need the Storm and Harbor, you could fly to Menethil
and then take a boat.
But they added it anyway and it's so nice.
I don't know they probably over at blizzard they probably did the math to make sure it like kind of balanced out
Hopefully they did the math at least
But it seems a little alliance favored in terms of like global mobility
Tabards are tabard
Not yet not yet
We got to finish our task at hand
And soon though.
Tabird soon and then we need a cloak and then I can finally play the game.
I can also craft a belt and get some enchants.
Guys, does anyone, has anyone found a good mage cloak at level 20?
Anything?
Like anything at all.
I'm going to start inspecting random people.
I mean this six stamina, I would use that over mine.
Pre Lacy Clay Cape and I would rather have the stamina.
Heavy Wollin and
Superior Cloak stamina for stamina to damage.
Superior Cloak of the channel are actually like that the most.
You yellowed the auction house for that that one actually owns
Five stamina three damage. Oh, oh, that's the rare spawn and wailing caverns though. I don't know if I'm actually gonna farm a rare spawn
Yeah, I don't know if I want to farm a rare spawn that seems brutal
I think the best one is legit just this one from the auction house for stamina to damage
Obviously, it's not as good as the this one five stamina three damage, but this is if I'm onto a rare spawn and wailing caverns
Superior cloak. Yeah, maybe I'll check that later.
The Auction House is a nightmare, is it? I've liked it so far, but I haven't used it too
much.
the corruption quest in Ashenvale is a good cloak as well. What stats? Wailing Caverns
isn't a bad farm. Can you check to see if the rare spawn is up and then is reset? It
doesn't show randomly rolled stats. Oof.
I'm trying to think if I want to spend the time to get perfectly best in slot or just
to spend the time to level more alts.
I think I just wanna level more alts.
Yeah.
So I don't think I'm actually gonna spend the time
to try to get that Wailing Caverns cloak.
Cause that could take like, what,
two or three hours if we're unlucky.
I could have a level 10 by then or something,
or like a level, you know.
Yeah, I think I'm gonna do that.
You spent eight hours getting books for a ring.
First of all, we haven't gotten it yet.
Second of all, it's only been four hours.
of all it's gonna be a ring and the neck and fourth of all you know maybe I do
regret this no actually this has been this has been pretty fun I would do it
again it guys it's only been four hours really
I just can't wait to tell Soda Poppin to inspect me.
I'm checking out my gear, it's going to be so cool, oh my gosh.
Soda Poppin's going to think I'm so cool once he sees on my gear.
Oh, yeah, he left toward.
He can't even inspect me.
Oh, jeez.
Do-do-do-do-do-do.
Time for Undead Pally.
Make think Paul of Horde.
If I do undead Pali, it'll be on the PvE rule set since I already have this character and
I'm not deleting this guy.
I mean look at the gear man.
Like we put in the time, the energy, the effort.
We have guilds.
Guilds on guilds.
59, 22.
The pre-lacy clip.
I don't even like this. Spear is useless, 4 damage.
Uh, 59-22.
I don't know where this thing... Oh wow, these are higher levels.
Is it in here? I don't even know where it is. Let's let's kill all these though.
I don't think it's in there, guys.
Why does my map not have coordinates, by the way?
Player map coordinates.
Which is turned off.
Yeah, it's like way up this way. We're not even close. It's like way over way over here
six six six six where we at where we at where we at
it's gotta be here somewhere boys search search search we found it nice all
So we'll chill here for a second and then we go back to Darkshore and go
There's a Darkshore boat to
Menethil
Let me think there's a Darkshore boat to Menethil right and then from Menethil
We go to Theramore then in Theramore we go so we go Darkshore Menethil Theramore
You didn't get it. Yeah, I got it. I got it right here
One two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen
one more oh my gosh one more guys this was totally worth it if you're just tuning in
there's a lot yeah a lot of stats a lot of big upgrades I'm gonna be hitting so hard it's I mean
This is definitely worth it.
100%
100%
percent
Worth it. Yeah, this is worth it
I'm gonna wait a second while some people are collecting but this one is pretty easy to
Just grab two.
There's like level 18s around here 19s 20s, but it's just right there on the
On the ledge
Esk, thanks for the prime. I can't wait to see you do this again on launch
I actually don't think I'll do it on launch
Because I max level this won't be worth it and we're not capped at 20 so
What about the 30 book reward maybe maybe
All right one more boys one more Darkshore menethal
there are more that's where we're going and then after that we'll make a quick
guild tabard and then after that
honestly I don't even think I'm gonna farm that blue cloak yes screw that now
After that we can finally play the game.
Duel's win. I'm actually down to hit up some Duel's. I've only done what like five Duel's on this guy?
All yesterday. I haven't even like done much.
Kind of want to respect too.
Oh, yeah, I was gonna check out Riverglades today.
Maybe I'll do that tomorrow.
I don't really feel like running across the world right now.
Wait, how do you even get the Riverglades?
Is it through Red Ridge?
Yeah, it's probably through Red Ridge, huh?
that we can finally play the game he's been saying that for six hours I mean
that's how wow gets you yeah all day you're thinking if I just have this one
thing it's gonna be so much more fun I'm gonna have so much more Prague you
know
use letrix maps
Let's go through there or like here.
Yeah, Leecherix maps is pretty goaded.
What level do I get? Iceland's 20.
You get it right here in your talent tree.
It's the north side of Red Ridge, it's the Y path, river glids, burning steps, so you
go like here or something. Interesting. What's the main goal for today? My main goal was to
just get a ring really quick from collecting all the books around the world. And then I
was going to, after that, I was going to form a bisque cloak, check out the riverglades,
PvP and duals then do world PvP and then make an alt that was my plan for the day
So
Yep
Six hours later 19 books
But I did reacts for two hours, so it's only been four hours and people told me it would take seven so technically
They were wrong
This finger frost proc off armor chill
I would have
Yeah, that's a good question. I don't know. We don't have fingers of frost yet to test
It's a chill effect
Do I feel like a winner I do
Wait, is this the right boat?
How much stamina do I have? I have
987 health I don't know how much stamina
91 stamina
Whoop-whoop
Whoop-whoop
Will the Q&A happen during server tomorrow? I don't think there's another Q&A
That's on sky born 15 minute racial buff. I feel like it's a bit slept on and it doesn't fall off in dungeons
It's only 15 minutes if you do it on a lay line, right? If you do it normally it's like one minute or something like that
Zero lay lines and dungeons, yeah
30 seconds, I feel like you won't find the lay lines enough to keep it up 15 minutes. That could be wrong, you know
These are the type of guy to have an apple in his fridge
Yeah, yeah
Zar, if I complete quest after 20, do I lose the XP?
Yes, XP is capped, so if you turn it in right now, it's gone.
The water finally dried, Edgar. We're good. We're good. We're good.
Okay.
Um, so now we go to the other boat, the Theramore.
This one you do have to be a little bit of a higher level for,
because, you know, Theramore at level 20 is a bit scary, so...
It'll be a little iffy.
Oh, I guess jumping off early is the meta here.
Sharks, I feel like I can see sharks now, Pixie, because the water is so beautiful and
clear.
It's not like murky like before
Wait someone says your XP bar is still enabled at 20 wait what no
No, that's fake news. That's fake news. It's definitely capped right
Displayed but not enabled yeah
That's an actually move. Complete fake news.
Oh, there's an alligator. Tiny, watch out!
Tiny!
Tiny? I can't help you, it's under the boat!
Run, Tiny, run!
He's getting hit by a croc through the bottom dude. Okay
We have almost the whole raid here nice
I don't know if we're going to do any more giveaways today.
We'll keep doing more tomorrow.
I might need to see if we can ask for some more too to run it out.
It's the axis doesn't exist, never has.
True.
Oh, look at the look at the water in the boat, man.
In the distant in the horizon.
Oh my gosh, bro.
Game looks so good, bro
And the setting where you can see your character through walls is kind of crazy
kind of nuts retail tech yeah that's crazy what is that setting um fatality what is that
setting so show silhouette when obscured in the combat settings so if you're like
behind a thing like you can still see your character
that kind of nuts watch out guys sharks there's a shark right there watch
Watch out, careful.
Oh, extra small just fell.
Good luck, bro.
Alright, so we want to stay tight here, my friends.
Tight, tight, tight.
We want to get to a round where Shwifty is.
Ish.
Yeah, it's like right up here.
How is this guy not dead?
How did you get there solo, bro?
So we'll run up there, we'll get it.
And then after that, we are done.
And we'll turn it in and we'll get such insane gear and we're just gonna sit outside until people inspect us. That's what we're gonna do.
Make sure to get the flight path if you care, which you should probably.
Starting a warrior today or tomorrow dude people have been telling me warriors like in a certain spot
Everyone has been telling me Pali's are just insane. Maybe I just do Pali first
Hope that there's hot fixes for warrior than do warrior third
Mage then Pali then warrior. I don't know if I can go on bed unless I go in the PvE realm and I don't really want to do that
Do I I mean I could go under Pallium. Yeah, how many you guys type PvP or PvE in the chat?
Are you PvE rule set or PvP? Oh
Wait what there's a lot of you guys wait hold on let me do a quick poll
I'm doing a quick poll right now
Everybody vote in the poll it's on the top of the chat and then on YouTube
You know what youtubers? I love you guys. We'll do a pull on YouTube as well
So it looks like 60% PvP 40% PvE. I could just make an undead Pali on the PvE realm
I'll think about it to have one on each on the PvE rules that I should say
Explain the pull title. I think it's pretty self-explanatory Gabby
That's what I saw myself, Noddych. I'm glad you double checked to make sure that was the
case. Yo, Noddych thanks for the Twitch Prime. And yo, nice meeting you at the Sheraton Lobby
last week, man. GG's. Big Fish thanks for the Prime. Panic thanks for the Prime. Foo,
She ditched the probe.
Okay, where are we going?
5721.
It's like around here.
How do you put a marker down?
Guys, how do you put a mark?
Oh, not pin.
You can share this location by linking it in the chat.
Or I'm there
Ragnocen thanks for the Prime buff. Oh, it's control click as well. Thanks guys
Oh wait someone just said you can select your other wow account when logging in to go to PvP horde, that's what I did
Wait, does that work?
Holy crap, boys.
Murlocs everywhere.
Wait, where is it?
Where's the book?
Eastern edge of the murloc.
Yo, it's like right around here.
Guys, we're gonna have to fight this out.
Guys, we're gonna have to fight this out.
Start killing these Murlocs.
Melee, hunters, do your thing.
Let's go, let's go, let's go.
It heals on me.
Oh crap we can do this guys hold
Crap I might need a bop. I might need a bop. I don't know
This is okay
Everything we have guys
Oh door
Okay, this is this is not not good
Good thing we have a raid group holy crap. Okay one down one down
Next one next one. I'm working on with skulls single target single target
Okay, well, I think we're actually doing it we're not actually losing too many players because our healers are locked in and dialed and cracked
Okay, oh when I said that big speed is died true if I don't know if you a B res but we can we can we can res the dead here
What's the goal here? We're killing murlocs and spiders I
Just tried it it doesn't let me select other wow accounts I see
I mean, I wouldn't mind making one guy on the PvE rules set.
I could do an undead Pali there.
It would be more like just to test out leveling in the dungeons and I could like duel, but
I wouldn't, if I wanted the world PvP I'd log to my mage.
Okay, so the book is probably somewhere here.
Anyone sees it, let me know.
We can start killing like one Merlok at a time.
One Merlok at a time guys.
What guys what?
What do you understand about one Merlok at a time?
Alright fine, kill them all, kill them all.
Jehovah's just went down.
They're on Geek now.
Big heals on spare.
Big AEs here.
Man good thing we saved this one for last.
This one's rough.
Oh, nice guys, nice.
All right, everybody dial it in.
Dial it in.
Why are you guys looting?
Who's looting at the camp?
You sneaky beavers, get over here.
What are you doing?
You're looting the book, we're in war.
Get over here, guys.
Help the squad.
We got murlocs
Oh, oh my god. Oh my gosh. Oh
Who is it?
No one in my guild. No one in my guilds over here. I know it forever hype
Forever hype forever hype there is an Olympus over here, but that's what is going on
on
Unbelievable on unbelievable
All right, everybody single-file line. I'm sure we can all make a line right or alliance
We're civilized we're a civilized people we can make a line
No, no, all right everyone just spam click, you know whatever
guys don't stand up guys we don't want to stand on top of it you want to stand to the
side of it guys who is on who is standing on it who is that
Trevor Corey is standing on it.
Your friend is standing on it.
It's my turn move.
Guys, that is 20 books.
Four and a half hours.
That was fast.
Four and a half hours, guys.
Well done, squad.
Well done.
Let's get the heck out of here, huh?
There's people summoning right now
In the in the third raid or the second raid
Yeah, you showed that guy he said six hours true I showed him
is it time to go get our fat loot? I think it's about time. Someone says can we redo
that again? I need it on my alt. Dude seriously not worth doing on an alt. No way. No way
is that worth doing on an alt. No shot. Is that worth doing on an alt?
Alright, hey Mr. Librarian.
I got some books for ya, Mr. Librarian.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, guys, extra one stamina.
That's what we do it for, boys, plus one stamp.
Four and a half hours on Tanki.
Don't mess with me.
There it is.
extra stamina on the neck on a beta level 20 I'm feeling good now wow I'm
feeling good that's so big
What what there's no way I miscounted am I is that 19
I've been saying for four hours, what do you what have you been saying?
What no, oh no, bro, I counted so many times
Oh, there it is
It was a turd in behind me boys. Oh my gosh sit down. Okay sit down everybody chill
Oh my gosh. I was like brah. There's no way this is what we do it for guys right here
We gain 10
Damage and healing on magical spells big ring here guys
big
Big ring here guys
Losing seven stem not worth. No, it's only four stamina. I
only lose four stamina
So I'm gonna keep my seven stem for damaging
How hard is that quest oh, it's easy man, it'll just take you like 30 minutes
Cool
Let's go make a darn guild power bird. We have 17 gold. Let's go spend 10 of it for the good of the guild
For the good of the guild
Okay
Man, I'm feeling so strong I
Could also go make that belt could also get some in-chance
Leni thanks for the t1 machine. Oh, thanks for the prime. How do you have 17 gold?
Dude, I was farmed. I do a lot of farming off stream. A lot of farming. Lots of farming.
A lot.
Uh, taverns.
the game looks so good guys. It looks so good. It looks so good.
Help you find something?
Safe travels. Looking for something specific.
Alright boys, what's the vibe for forever hype? Oh, forever.
Forever, eternity, there's this, is that too cliche?
I mean, obviously, but like, it might be too cliche.
I might be too obvious, guys,
but our name is literally forever hype.
Hold on, let's look at some other options.
This one's like too obvious.
I don't know why I don't why it kind of goes hard actually know it doesn't look stupid.
Okay, let's look at other icons stars is this like forever hype like a sunset.
You do that one every time because it looks sick.
Guys our guild name is literally forever hype.
What embodies forever hype?
It's literally the infinity sign.
The turtle?
What?
This isn't turtle wow.
Use your new spell, research the magical arts.
Requires a lot.
Whoa, okay, hold up, hold up.
Whoa, I didn't even notice we got this.
I will check that out in a second.
We gotta make this tab bird, that's cool.
Gotta go to the library.
That's like horde icons.
more horde icons I'm not a shaman forever hype forever hype forever hype
forever hype forever hype what's what's super hype for forever
forever hype forever hype
Forever hype.
There's a tree.
There's a book.
Tiger, dragon, boots, a shell, eyes?
kinda cool, a lock. I like this one too, but I've done this one in the past. I like the
ones I like, man. There's like three of them that are good. The rest kinda suck. That one's
kinda cool.
So Roach. There's a muffin, there's a bear. I actually love the skeleton one too, but that's
more of a horde thing can't do that on alliance uh there's an eyeball okay our
glass has to do with time forever hype
wait that's the opposite of forever though because it's like this isn't
forever we're on a time no this is the opposite of forever guys this is not
forever the infinity symbol is forever that is that is on a time limit forever
hype dead game flood diamonds diamonds are forever
Huh?
Diamonds?
Guys I
Feel like it's just it's too good our name is forever hype and it's an infinity symbol
I don't think we can do anything else
Everyone in the guild what do you guys want? What do you guys want everyone in the guild?
They'll have to do the colors.
Diamonds, vists, diamonds, hourglass,
infinity, infinity, hourglass, infinity,
hourglass, infinity, hourglass, infinity.
Well, yeah, we'll redo the colors.
Infinity, infinity, or diamond, diamond, diamond,
infinity, diamond, infinity.
Let me look at a diamond again.
What kind of colors is forever hype all about?
Definitely blue.
Why?
What color is a diamond?
Diamonds like white, right?
Border icon color.
I do my favorite background color is this one.
I love this one.
I kind of want to do this background color because we didn't do it in our live.
last skill and I wanted to then we didn't icon infinity icon color dude that
kind of goes hard dude I have like such different tastes in a lot of people I
like really like minimal basic I actually think that was hard but but hold
on let me let me let me let me go a little more normie let's look at normie
for a second
I
Think I think that's a little more normie and that kind of goes hard, too
Basic is best I
Mean, I like that like the brown on black. I think it was really hard
But the brown on gold also is kind of hard
That looks really good. Yeah, I mean that looks clean
It's a little more normie to I
Love that background color like that's the black on brown. I I personally like this better
But I can get that people wouldn't like that as much
It's actually kind of hard to see to from where you got like
IP
Let me look let me go back to gold real quick. I think more people will like the gold so maybe we go with the gold
I don't know if there is an
Emerald sounds sick. I don't know if there is an Emerald. Let me look. So this is what the diamond looks like. And then I'll show you on my tune.
That's what it looks like on my tune.
And then the infinities that I think they had finnity looks cooler guys. I didn't get finnity.
I think it's it's it's like too obvious, but at the same time, it's too obvious. So it's like we kind of see what happens.
But at the same time it's too obvious. So it's like we kind of send it
Royal purple and gold diamond. I thought of purple tabard
Try emerald infinity
Emerald like you're talking green like emerald as a color
Infinity, but black, not gold.
I think I like that, I think I like that.
I think I like that, I think I like that.
I think my favorite is the black one, but I think this one is really cool too.
I think more people will like the gold too.
Alright.
This is 10 gold.
10 hard earned gold here guys.
Boom, there it is.
Emblem saved.
Hopefully I didn't mess it up.
Why is my cape on, man?
We gotta turn that off on the transmog, dude.
Aw, yeah.
I look tough.
Bro, look at my female gnome. I look tough. Don't mess with me guys. I collected books for four and a half hours
We got the philanthropist ring
We got this plus one stem neck. Oh
Man, we're tough
Guys is the trans one guy up
Should have read the books. Oh, yeah, true speaking and reading books
guys I look super tough you have to use the transmog person to turn off the
cloak that's what I'm gonna do yeah I might leave my head on but I think I
want to take that cloak off cloak is kind of troll can we get a stat check
primary attributes right there show your build I actually want to respect man
And that, that tabard actually goes hard.
I used my favorite color tabard, the dark brown one.
Where's the transmog dude?
Isn't he in here?
Is he not in the game yet?
Mog is next to the wizard tower?
Oh really?
They moved him from retail, huh?
Okay.
I can almost finally play the game.
I'm almost having fun now.
Oh my gosh.
Do, do, do, do, do, do.
Academy of Arcane Arts and Sciences.
So when I turned in all those books,
I got something called comprehension.
It's research, research magical arts
with the help of a library.
Now that I'm in a library, I can study with light feathers.
I haven't seen this yet.
What is this?
It's trying to be like Minecraft with the library books.
Oh, once per hour, you can make scrolls with feathers.
That's a fun little thingy.
I don't mind it.
I mean, it's not like crazy, crazy either, but that's kind of fun.
That's kind of fun.
Cute?
Yeah, it's a little cute.
I don't mind it.
I don't mind it.
Oh yeah, transmog.
Got to turn this cloak off.
I was also going to maybe respec into Frostbite, but I might see if they drop Respec cost tomorrow.
I have a feeling they will.
Proven's Gaming thanks to the Primeman.
Archmage...
Oh, Transmogrifier.
So I have transmog turned off right now, but that means you can still hide your cloak.
I don't I like they should just put that in the options, but that's fine too, I guess,
whatever.
Enable it.
Heck no.
You can't make me.
You can't make me.
Did you say wand specs best for leveling?
Wand specs like best for DPS but it depends on what wand you have.
For leveling I'd probably just go frost.
Rusty and I, thanks for the prime dude.
Do I see others hitting cloak?
I don't know about that.
I think I would.
Hidden cloak.
So this guy is a hidden cloak and I don't see it.
So that still works.
So I think maybe.
Wait.
Yeah, this guy has a cloak on and I can see his cloak because it's not hidden.
So yeah, it does show. So that's cool.
How do I get gold?
Um...
Good, uh...
I mean, lots of ways to make gold. I mean, depends on how you want to do it, too.
Lots of different ways you can do it. It's not one simple way.
It depends on what you like doing too.
Oh.
Oh!
What you literally can't see the stats on the cloaks on the auction house.
What?
Okay.
Okay, I'm gonna report that as a bug once that guys
You can wait how before I report this how
That's not a bug that's absolutely not intended
Someone told me that earlier. I didn't believe them, but yeah auction house not showing
stats of named items it's like that on retail too okay well shouldn't be like
that in classic why you literally have to just YOLO buy things so this is 26
silver should I YOLO buy like three of them and see if it YOLO goes to one of
gets to spell power. No, that's stupid. This could, this could have rolled to my best in
slot cloak. It's a bug, you can see stats on retail. Yeah, I'm pretty sure you can.
Should I buy one?
Guys, should I buy one superior cloak?
OK, item is not found.
OK, it's of the bear.
I'm going to buy another.
Tiger.
Okay, one more.
Bandit, I'm done, I'm done!
Those are good cloaks.
Yo, anyone want these?
I'll sell them to you for cost, okay?
We need to recoup so we can gamble some more.
Like guys, these are good cloaks, warriors, rogues out there, for cost here, 29 silver.
Can't believe this.
I thought one of them would for sure roll.
I'll take the stamina AP one.
Oh.
Yeah, I'm gonna make it all back, guys.
Stamina attack power.
It's got Hyrule, that's not bad.
I bought it for like 29 silver.
Eight?
We're not even recoupin'!
What eight
Ten
Bro, this is a good cloak. I took the risk and gambled for you and now he's ten silvering
It vendors for seven
That's crazy
This is nuts
This is this is this is super nuts here
I'll buy your tiger for cost yes oh yes okay we're guys we're back up 30 silver on this
nice and Cosmo is a warrior he wants the tiger for cost he's right out front good good
Use it to gamble more.
Someone said there's hidden techniques.
I can do upgrades only.
Is that a hidden technique?
That doesn't change anything of spell power
Yeah, you can't yeah, it doesn't work it's like bugged
Is this I just bought wait someone said I bought two when gambled and I got this yeah
That's what I'm going for
What you've got one
Okay, this guy wants the tiger
There's the tiger bro
If anyone wants the bear one three-stamp three strength
You buy another loot box, should I try another one or is it a
Tempest wants this last one. Guys, I recouped all my money on these.
I recouped all my money.
Do we full send another one?
Do we full send?
Agility.
Come on
Band come on
Falcon
No, oh, oh, man. I'm down bad
All right guys, I got cloaks for sale I've got cloaks for sale message me if you need
5 agi cloak that actually that cloak actually kind of bangs
For stamina for this one's really good too
Three stem three strength or three agi three in guys
So wait this one what did you which one did you want?
Tempest you wanted bear right? Oh
Wow, we got a ten silver tip on that
Agi in for hunters
Okay, I want the ad she won
If anyone wants any of these let me know wait don which one do you want?
Which oh he's just funding the cloak addiction
Thank you, bro
I'm buying all of them. I'm buying all of them. I'm buying all of them
Where's it at?
Where's it at?
There's only two left come on
The item was not found you guys are buying them you guys bought it before I could
There's no more
Have you rollin' cloak? I don't even like that one.
Black Welp Cloak, I don't really like that one either.
Divine Light says 40 Silver for Falcon, sure.
Yeah, if you guys, guys, I have a Falcon for sale, a Bandit for sale, the Aji for sale,
and the Nature Protection for sale, which is just stamina, which is pretty, pretty not
great.
If you guys want any of these, just tell me and whisper.
Put your bracers in.
Oh, sick, thanks.
Int?
Plus five int?
and chest. Oh, I already have the chest thing on now. Wait, what chest is it? Is it better
than two spell powers, 16 armor? Greater int. What is that? Do I want in-elect over armor
Spell power? I don't know. Yes, 100%? Alright.
Six ends. I don't even know if that's better. Maybe. Yeah, probably.
Um, Frappy wants the agility one. Here you go, bro.
Oh, whoops.
Which one do you want, Toker?
Mining shovel.
Oh, wow!
That's what we are going for!
Okay, we give him a nice tip.
got it for 29 silver on the gamble we give them one gold that's fair that's a fair deal
whoa okay guys we got our pre-biss cloak wait divine light which one did you want falcon here you go bro
Oh wait, Falcon. Dude, the cloak's auger has been just high as the lows right now, man.
You know I'm in enough inventory space. Nice, dude. Okay, so 4 stamina, 2 damage, that's
pretty darn sick. I think it says the second bis cloak, actually. The whaling caverns one
technically is a little better. Want to buy a cloak? I mean I don't have that many good ones but you can
see. Valanac, thanks Lebron. Dang nice cloak, thanks bro.
Wait did you want Falcon? Which one did you want?
Divine Light wanted Falcon, here you go. It's not only cloaks guys I have are the Bandit one which
is actually a really good cloak and then the nature protection which kind of sucks.
Floak distributors are you as your next character name?
I'm surprised no one wants this bandit.
Four spam, four attack power, two actually seems pretty cracked.
I think this nature protection one I'm just gonna disenchant, I don't think anyone's
gonna want that. Okay, um, go dual someone. Okay. Yeah, you're right. You're right. I'll
go outside and dual. If you guys want this, I'll keep it on me for a bit. This bandit
cloaks pretty sick. Alright, guys, let's see if all of our hard work paid off here. We're
We're not quite best in slot, but we're close.
Would this be better?
Yeah, this would be even better, but, well actually, you could make an argument it's
a side grade, because you could say stamina is more important than PvP, intellect's more
like, more important than PvE.
And PvP, you could make an argument the channeler is actually better in PvP.
Sorcerer is better, probably like overall though.
I have 20 FPS out here man, do a quick little re-log on set guys.
frame rate? Yeah, it's brutal. I think there's a patch supposed to be tomorrow, yeah. See,
There's so many people out here.
Fullgrim.
Shaman wants to duel.
Yeah.
That felt pretty nice.
I mean, that felt very nice.
Naomi wants to duel a Druid.
I think Druid's going to be a toughie.
I'm tanky. I feel like I should be dead already, but I'm not.
Oh, yeah, that's it. That's just like a tough matchup. I don't think I'm being a truant.
Good dual man. GD. John. Is that you, John Blizzard? Oh, it's a mage. Love the videos
about the mage breakdowns hey glad you're enjoying man you don't have counterspell yet
nah not yet we're only level 20 like you don't really have much at this level
i got it oh you got the coldflame saver nice
that's legit
Your XP bar has moved, this is just how I thunk up to 20.
What's the headpiece you got?
We tailoring up to build up silky circlates from, oh, Druid, man, there's a lot of Druids.
I feel like every time I duel, all the druids come out of the woodworks.
I'm going to let him go stealth, so he's a feral.
There we go.
Let him open up on us.
I really thought soda pop and said that uh the leap spell was completely useless
but every time I see it I see this just like druids now have a shadow step
is soda pop like is soda all right man very useless as you see yeah I guess
He can use Shadow Step on me now.
Okay, here we go.
What did Soda actually say? He said the Shadow Step is useless.
This guy's like an Enhance or an E. He's like a attack power gear, but he has a spell
of
This guy actually played pretty solid.
I actually played pretty trash, but...
It said miss, okay.
I think miss is what it says now instead of resist.
Zara's kind of tanky.
Yeah, I think it's just because my gear is so good.
And it is really good guys.
Warlock.
What level do you get counterspelled to, like 24?
Konokou 26 or something?
I forgot fear is in the game this early.
Well that's going to be tough.
Wow, okay.
That's going to be...
Train life still goes through pillars.
Just saying guys, we're just saying.
I kind of chased him with a pillar to be honest.
I don't think we're actually ever being a lock off that pillar.
Cave Cape, Alium, Priest.
I actually do so much damage, what the heck.
I actually am so tanky too.
I was gonna like reset and play it how you normally would but I think I can just kill
him.
Yeah, he's just dead.
I think this is just a gear thing, though.
I don't think you'd normally be able to do this.
I think I just outgear him.
Yeah, definitely just outgear this guy, just no way.
Yeah, yeah, we have like double this guy's gear.
I was gonna say like we should've,
like normally you would not be able to do that, no way.
Locke wants to duel again, let's do someone new.
Plus buff, like off my wisdom king.
That warlock had Kings
Ski so wants to do I don't know where this guy is
You're a blizzcon vlog from six years ago showed up on the home page. Yeah, that's what's up
Proud
I need to make first aid.
I have no bandages.
Well, I do have bandages, but they're the level one bandages.
Guys, remind me to get some better first aid here.
Did they think that harp...
before half duration. That shouldn't have them.
Do-do-do-do-do.
Potion. Skizzle with the potion. Skizzle with the potion.
Weedy.
I heard Wandscale with Spell Power. That is true. Oh, Heavy Linen, thanks, bro.
I need to get wall
She knows I think I actually might have some wall in my bank
Heavy wall I need to level up my first aid. Yeah, thank you though
Hi sir, what up Jay, how's it going?
Oh, that's awkward.
This guy's speed potions in a duel.
Nice, brah.
Nice.
Have you seen the Jeph's 720 zone video?
Started streaming?
I saw it, yeah, I saw it, it's sick.
I think gold comes quite easy in a while forever.
I have 5 gold at level 20.
Really?
What have you been doing?
It's pretty sick.
It's a lot of gold.
Ice Lance, Ice Lance.
So two weeks of level twink, 20 twink duels until level 30, uh, one week. It comes out next Thursday, but I'll be doing all she said.
I think I should get a taunt or defensive since their new talents suggest tanking.
Not yet.
First-trend generation but zero survivability. So it seems like a worse vanilla prop paladin.
So shamans are not tanks confirmed shamans are not designed to be tanks confirmed, but you can do it for fun anyway like a fun challenge
Maybe in a later patch
Shamans will be tanks. That would be cool
But as of right now, they're not they're not tanks. They're not so they're not gonna get a taunt. That's just not how they
He's gonna get him.
Bum bum bum bum.
But you could do it anyway for fun, right?
You could do it like there's nothing stopping you from playing a shaman tank.
If that's how you want to play it, which is cool.
no shatter yet by the way. Yeah, Mages will be pretty strong, especially in PvP. We'll
see how it goes though. I think against a good lock, druid, and priest, you're going
to get dumpstered. I think it will actually be very similar to the metagame of classic
vanilla, where Mages will have its dual matchups where you do really well, and Mages will have
your dual matchups where you don't do very well. I think the matchups where you do well
will be like Pallies, Warriors, Rogues, Hunters kinda and then you kinda get owned by Locke's,
Truids and Priests and that's fine, like I'm not fine with that man, we're playing classical
after all. Doesn't have, like that's the thing about classic man, it doesn't have to be too
sweaty it's one of the things I like it's like it doesn't have to be you can
kind of just play the game what about shaman shaman and mage duals are pretty
even I guess I don't know I actually haven't done that many look I haven't
done as many shaman
and yet people will still make it sweaty oh yeah I mean that's just people you
You know, that's 20-26 gaming, it is what it is, but it's cool that you can...
Doesn't have to be.
Did we make a tavern? We finally made a tavern!
We finally made a tavern, finally getting some duels in.
It was a long time coming.
Guys are actually playing well, he's just trying to oom me.
If I duel Pao yet, nah.
So if you actually look at his mana, his mana is very similar to my mana.
Man the game looks so good, oh my gosh it looks good.
Where's Frostbite?
Got a proc right there.
I actually only have two points in Frostbite.
I want to re-spec and put a third in there and drop one in permafrost.
I might even get... does anyone know how much hit you need at level 20?
I might even put one point in there for one point in hit.
It's like 50 gold to re-spec, yeah.
Jeez, mages look boring AF.
The thing about, like, the game right now is we're level 20.
Like, mages are kind of boring at level 20, but so is every class.
That's just the game at level 20.
Like, you don't have toolkits until you hit more like 40 for like a warrior or like a
Pally, like a lot of stuff comes online later.
So it is what it is.
Hunter isn't, yeah, Hunter, I mean, some classes get the things a little earlier,
but just keep in mind, like we're level 20, bro, you know.
are you playing mage on launch yeah yeah
Level 20 Mage has 90% of its kit at 20 with Bolt, Lance, Nova, Polly, and uh, not really.
Like most of Mage damage is gonna come from Shatter and Ice Shards, you have neither,
and Fingers of Frost, and then like Ice Block and Ice Barrier, and Cold Snap, and Kona
Cold are like a lot of your kit too.
You don't have like much of your kit at 20, when you have some, but I would certainly
say it comes online later.
Oh counterspell too, yeah.
True.
Miss.
This guy's not playing terrible, it's just like a tough, I think a tough level range
actually do anything as a shaman against a mage here. If he ever hits me I'm sure
would hurt. 74 on that wand, what? Crit wand 74. My Ice Lancer doing 36, geez. Major lock
better in terms of pvp and 1v1s at 60 usually lock but at 20 i mean i don't know
revelation yeah revelation looks so good dude
Resist. Oh, dual silver, guys. Maybe not.
resist, two for two resist.
Oh traps in combat, oh my gosh I forgot about that.
trap.
You beat me.
Good duel.
I also had Bob, so he really beat me if you've taken the count of buffs.
We got two resists back to back.
I went with the last giveaways a few hours ago.
This hunter's trash?
No, this hunter played really well.
Let's see it.
Shaman's Gamin pressing his best key bind.
I respect it.
80 damage or a shot correct nice.
That Nova did 25 damage but did not root him.
Nova does damage but didn't root him.
It did that against the Hunter as well.
Did I miss two Novas?
No, it's hitting you.
damage but not rooting that has to be a bug if they can't thank then should they
can someone clip that I'll send it in yeah their talents are the only ones that
have cross nova occasionally will do damage their talents sorry I'm gonna
that real quick. Frost Nova Kasia will do damage, but not root the targets. And then
if you guys have a clip of that, I'll send in that as well. Gigabit, a tester. There
we go. Will classes be updated? Yeah. You see the new blizz video? Not yet. I saw the
rain one if that's what you mean have I got the river glades not I think tomorrow
I don't know if anyone has a clip of this if not I can get a clip of my own
I do want to get that fix that's a big deal keeps happening
Happened against the hunter, but I'll find the clip against the shaman here
So let me just look again
This was happening, I think when I was playing the demo as well, I Nova and it hit some for
damage and like I'm pretty close to him but it doesn't actually root him.
Yeah, okay, that's a good clip.
Create clip. What the heck is this?
No, I want it like after.
Do it a little later.
Nope, someone made a clip for me. Let's just see this one.
You missed the frost Nova in the clip. Alright, let me make my own again
Frost Nova hits miss okay frost Nova deals damage, but doesn't root
save clip
I haven't made a clip on twitching forever. What the heck is this some crazy tech?
Damage probably as leeway, but root doesn't that sounds like the bug. Yeah, it doesn't work like that on era
But that that sounds like what's happening. I think you're probably right
Frost Nova doing damage but not rooting.
Here is a clip of it.
It's not every time, it's occasionally.
Okay, here we go
All right
Well, I level a warrior I might do Pali or warrior next test Nova on Ghost wolf
Sure, I don't think that's anything to do with Ghost wolf, but
Yeah, I mean we know what Ghost wolf's plenty of times
of
Alright, you win. Try while jumping and try at max range. Sure, that's not a bad idea.
Can try while jumping or at max range. Wait, hold on. Stay like right. Let me try it. Okay,
So this is Arcane Explo- Wait, hold on, stay.
So Arcane Explosion reads 10 yards, Frost Nova reads- Oh, he moved again, dang it.
Frost Nova actually doesn't read any, it just says near.
That range also seems too far.
I think that range is too far, that's, I mean it should be pretty far but I think the range
should more be like this, like this should hit, I don't think this should hit, this,
this is a bug, that's a bug, arcane explosion with leeway is going a bit too far, like the
The range should be like here, I think.
I don't think it should be hitting from here.
I think that is definitely too far.
There's no way.
I can test that on ERA.
If you guys wanna, if someone has an ERA character,
I could test that, but that seems crazy.
Anyway, that means a Frost Nova should hit.
So Frost Nova is doing the damage,
But it's looking like it's not doing the route from there.
Which by the way, that is too big for Frost Nova as well,
just for the record.
That's crazy.
But maybe it is the Liwei working on the damage,
but not working on the Nova.
That's what it has to be.
LiweiBug called it, yeah.
Once again, let's try.
If I jump in Nova, it does damage,
but it doesn't route them.
Which once again, seems too far.
I think that's gotta be a bug.
If I move forward a little bit,
like here, it probably would work.
It does.
Interesting.
Okay, so it's a leeway bug.
What if Howl was that far?
Any spell in the game while jumping gets extra ranged with leeway.
It's something it's like a classic while mechanic, but it shouldn't be this much actually does anyone have of
Crap an era character. I'm on a dead realm. No one's gonna have one on Farrellina. Let me think where can I test this?
Hardcore
Our season of discovery
Let me log over let me see if I can find an era character. I don't think it's not far
I really don't. But maybe I'm misremembering.
I got Hardcore Doom Howl. Yeah, that'll work. I'll go Hardcore Doom Howl.
I have an update though.
Auto attacks are hitting from too far away as well. So leeway is just
Too big right now potentially that might be what it is
Feels like 20 mage isn't good for pvp
I think they're fine. You're gonna instantly lose against like a druid or like a priest
Or a lock, but you're gonna do really well against like a warrior, a paladin, a hunt
Rogue hunters are maybe pretty even rogues might be pretty even too
Like, it just depends what you're dueling.
At the end of the day, it's level 20 PvP, right?
Like, who cares?
It's level 20.
It's like, it's not supposed to be balanced.
Um, does anyone have...
Actually, no, let's not do this from...
Let's go Doom Howl.
Oh crap, you guys are all Doom Howl.
Let me see.
I have a Doom Howl.
Oh no, I don't have a Doom Howl mage.
I only have a Doom Howl warrior.
I have a Feralina mage, a Bloodsail mage.
I have a Defias Pilature mage.
I have a Defias Pilature mage, a Feralina mage, and a Bloodsail mage.
Does anyone have any of those three?
I can go DP. Alright I'll go DP. I have like 360 mage's back, that's not too much.
DP Horde. I have Horde on DP. Cool. I'll meet you outside Org or something.
I have a couple donations to catch up on. I'll read them in just a sec. From Zman Bear's,
sorry I need to I was just trying to do one thing at a time here I'm in org
this UI seems big
server looks busy no no dude bro these servers are they're cooked
Um, my name is are you dead on DP horde if anyone is online?
Great FPS though.
Yeah, I'm actually not lagging.
It's actually super smooth.
I'll test on the pigs while you guys are getting here.
So what do you guys think the distance I was like I was from the shaman it was like I was
like that, right? I was hitting him. Closer? Is that like that? I mean, so that's not hitting.
Let's go a little closer. That does hit from there. Maybe it's the same. Maybe the no models
throwing me off that was pretty far this is era you're imagining it it's far let
me try again maybe it's the same oh my gosh wow okay maybe it is just far so I
reported that as a bug I wish I could take that back now let me double check
Frost Nova works, oh this guy's here to test, cool.
I miss era realms, let's bring back era, okay.
No, that'll, guys, I am not kidding, I'm not kidding.
That will be a movement one year from now.
Not kidding not kidding 100% there will be a group of people
That that that move back to era and maybe even six months from now
Maybe three months. Yeah, maybe three months
It'll happen. All right, so let me just stand still if you can yeah, okay?
All right stand still
Okay, so that, I feel like here I'll just shoot your pet and go over here.
So that range is pretty massive.
So the range is right about here.
Now if I jump Frost Nova, does it work?
Yes.
jump frost nova from the same distance of max range with taking advantage of leeway should nova
right now it's not so it's a bug cool we reported that so that's good so the nova part of the leeway
is bugged good testing good job beta testers ah okay and thank you to sakao um anon says can you
talk through mage-dueling philosophy. Mage-dueling philosophy is a lot about
kiting, not getting hit, taking your time with your mana pool and your health pool.
So like against a priest or a shaman, you're just going to be running away,
getting them low on mana, sheeping them, then eating back to full and then killing them.
Against certain things it's a race, like against a rogue oftentimes you're just trying to survive
and not die and then reset and win against the hunter instead zoning so it depends on where you're
fighting it's a little different on every matchup general philosophy is you know two big amateur
shatters and kite and not get hit and reset win the duels in your favor um we got a five dollar
donor from z-man says if they can't tank then they should just change the talents that suggested
Agree with you. So right now like shaman's like aren't supposed to be tanks, but there are some times maybe it'll come later
Maybe it'll come later
Exactly my point yeah
Like there's a lot of things that we just don't know yet. Maybe maybe they're doing things
It's like okay, they can't tank right now, but maybe later they can
Man the game looks so beautiful. All right guys one more duel one more duel
There we go, rat.
Wrapped coil wants to duel.
Where you at?
Right behind me.
Yeah, that's going to be a tough one, boys.
It's gonna be a toffee.
Yeah, it is what it is.
Yo, good duel, brother.
Good duel, good duel.
All right, guys, were you a fan of the new graphics?
Like, the landscape is amazing.
The art from the unit frame and the sky born
and some of the modern like, what's
I'm looking for like the HD models and then the assets, the gear, not so much, but like the
landscaping, the art team, the world team that did the shadows. It's like the old world, but
better shadows, better lighting, better water, better weather, all that stuff. Love, love, love,
love. Because it still looks classic, it just looks even better. But yeah, the HD stuff, not as much.
Oh fog sorry guys fog. It's a key word there.
Jharni wants to duel Mr. Warlock. Alright, alright Jharni.
It's pretty tough to duel a lock with no counterspell.
We get feared and then it's going to be this until I'm dead kind of a thing.
Ouch.
Ouch.
Ouch.
Ouch.
Ouch
Ouch
Ouch
Oh, we don't have server ticks anymore. Oh, yeah, there goes that strategy. Well good dual men. Yeah, it's
You know 20 mage versus lock, you know, like we don't expect balance, right?
All right
Not sure why I always watch your stuff on YouTube just figured I could watch you live do over live
We have the YouTube videos the live videos everything
All right guys
Massive massive G's today
Tomorrow we'll be back we can actually play the game because today we were getting ready to play the game
Tomorrow we're going to check out Riverglades. Maybe we'll actually do some world pvp for once.
I feel like for the last week I've been like getting ready and doing everything.
Maybe tomorrow I'll actually check out Riverglades and hit up a little bit of world pvp.
And then make an alt.
I'll think about what I want it to be. It'll either be a Pali or a warrior.
Pali has more new stuff. I've done a million warriors, but I do really like warrior 2. One of the other
See what's good and then uh
Yeah, we'll also see if we make the Pali on undead on the PvE realm, I don't know
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